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Is podcast is brought to you by what my reading the UK's most influential wedding brand. Hello. Hello there. Welcome to rock my wedding the podcast everybody. Hope you're all right you okay? I'm great good. I'm excited about today's episode meeting. I feel for a change on might get a bit carried away here. I have a killer list at the end of this episode. So let's see how we go a few episodes back. We talked about General wedding entertainment. Do you remember ideal and what we're going to do is try and break that down a little bit. Get into a few episodes about music music specifically. Oh, yes. This is the first of those episodes and we're going to be talking about essential Dance Floor fillers for your wedding party Polly Bieber. Obviously like you are a huge fan of the cause. Yeah, if ever he gets dressed like just put the cause album on if you don't know who the cause our Spotify them. I'm sure they're on there. I mean, I'm a I like the cause but you're like some sort of Mega fan on you neck fat you do wish you were Andrea from as we've just said, what was that what works for one person doesn't necessarily work for another so that can be quite tricky thing to tackle when it comes to your wedding. Party playlist you want to make sure everybody's happy and there's something on there for everyone everyone can get up and have a dance and enjoy at least one song. I'm quite easy to please. I've got a real eclectic. Let me to be honest. I know we joke, but and I think as well people put too much pressure on themselves. Like we always say for weddings, like actually, you know, you have a good selection of different genres of music and different tempos and the likelihood is that everyone's having a really great time and they're going to get up and dance to some think the perhaps in a different scenario. Yeah, they might not be so bothered by. Yeah, it's your wedding. Everyone's there. It's all about the love. Yeah had a few drinks. There's a dance floor. There's a DJ. Yeah, there's a band or both or there's a playlist some description. Everyone's going to get up and dance absolutely interesting. You say that you need to decide really how you having a DJ. Are you having a band because that will sometimes dictate what you can play. Yeah and also because if you have a band so you might have agreed a playlist with them. Yeah. The band more often than not will agree to play your playlist through the speakers. So you probably don't want to repeat the songs. Yeah, absolutely band to play that seems a bit silly. So you might just want to check out, you know what their playlist is and then work out different playlists for after they finish and then how long is that time and talking about? How long is that time? I remember when we had a deejay we talked about that in this in the entertainment part. I did we didn't have a band but we just had a DJ and I remember him saying to me make me a list of every Engel song that you really really want to hear. You know, I'm playing from 8:00 p.m. Till 1:30. We had a long party. So you've got about a hundred songs or so to fill that amount of time. So he's sort of worked out as sort of 20 songs to fill in our three minutes each three minutes each of the sort of your average song like me out. So if you put in your own playlist together that in mind so I gave him as many songs as I could think of that we loved that was, you know from different generations and different styles of music all that sort of try and cater for everybody and I have Few friends have got specific very specific taste in music. So in our RSVPs we had line on there that said let us know one song that you want to get up and dance to they do that to ya know what the rest of them back. Yes, please would I lie to you by Charles nerdy? Oh my I mean he played it says in my says my it's lazy and got him to get up. Remember the music video to that itlook everyone listen to this is probably just scratching their head like who just killed it Charles an idiot will be on YouTube You're Dead what you do? But yet so it's really helpful isn't it to you know, make sure that everybody's catered For and We'll definitely get songs back that you didn't think of and it would just make your playlist so much more varied. Yes and fortunately entertaining. Yeah, everybody involved Navi some surprises. Oh, yeah. Well, I wasn't expecting Charles in Eddie. So you many moons ago actually wrote a post on my reading about your wedding playlist. I did and it's quite old. Yeah, it's an old but still very good post loads of comments for people suggesting songs and things like that. You did say was pre Gaga. You are a bit sad about that. Yeah, because she would have been there. Yeah should have been definitely on that list. She's definitely on the playlist that I'm going to read out to you and I know a hundred percent there was some really good choices on the little snippet that you shared of your playlists some see best mate and some that were seeing an which is really important. Yeah that great miss but I think also trying to include the old generation. It's really nice for them to hear a song sort of from their era so that they feel involved. But ultimately what I find mine unreal Love's is if I just get her up to any old tune sure, and she gets to dance with me to music. I really enjoy like mine on loves that sort of stuff. So don't worry too much about there being too many songs that perhaps you're not that familiar with to please the older Generations. Yeah, because your day away your day your way and they will just absolutely love watching you in your element another good idea for making sure that you get all these different generations of songs in there is to maybe just an idea to start your evening. With the older songs. So those people like in an and people like that get to hear those songs before the party really gets go in because you know, sometimes they might leave a bit earlier. So if you're paying their songs towards the end of the night when everyone's a lot more Mary and getting into the past of they might miss it and then that way all your best mates were going to be there to the end get to hear all the current songs that they look so you can kind of do it Through the Ages. Yes, it's a good way of, you know, keeping the party going to make and it gives you as a couple This is how to curate your playlist exact, isn't it? Yeah, absolutely. Do you know what was my favorite song from your playlist Gordo? I mean you had quite a variety my very very favorite. Let's go in there. I mean old Acapulco. Literally for years and it's the very first song I ever bought on a vinyl. I think that was one for if I remember correctly one for my husband's parents. Oh my word again. If you've never heard of it get it on the YouTube actual chewed so quickly quick quick fire round yet spinning around Kylie Minogue. Oh, yeah. I don't feel like dancing Scissor Sisters. Yeah, push it salt and pepper laughter. I Can't Get No Satisfaction. Faction the Rolling Stone, not the Brittany version. Not the Brittany version. Okay. Hey boys. Hey girls for The Chemical Brothers. Yeah the Way I Are Timberland no. Love it Gold Digger Kanye West. Yeah. Mr. Brightside The Killers absolute word and essential that one. What are you waiting for? Gwen Stefani? Yes, Maneater Nelly Furtado relight my fire take that and Lulu Dancing On The Ceiling Lionel Richie Dude Looks Like A Lady Aerosmith Amazing White. Ting Billy Idol Oh rocks Primal scream Toxic Britney Spears knew that be a Britney a nurse Heartbreaker William Common People Pope. Oh, yeah Chain Reaction Diana Ross. I've another clue who requested that Vogue Madonna standard Friday. I'm in Love by The Cure Breakfast at Tiffany's deep blue something. Wow, My Sharona the nap Whenever Wherever Shakira fuck is, you know, That's who I want to be a part of magic or also should get Sex on Fire by Kings of Leon which is actually one of the names of our tables because we had our table names after some of the songs that we had on our place. So you've got a real real eclectic mix on there. Yes. Oh and I missed out. Give me all your loving by ZZ Top which was a request from my dad who has got two left feet two right arms, honestly when they talk about Dad dancing you've Not seen it anything until you've seen him dance to give me all your love thing. I'll just leave that to your imagination and it's these songs that make the evening so memorable isn't it? Exactly so it's really nice to get requests in a good or bad way. Well, yeah either way bring them on but really good and I feel like your playlist but was definitely from 10 years ago. Sorry kids obviously, but don't fear. Current brides-to-be. We have got an updated version of the playlist and I've included in it some answers that you gave to my Instagram question about telling us your top five must have songs for your wedding party playlist. So they're all included as well. So thanks very much for helping me out with that one. We have a Spotify account. So if you search for rock my wedding on Spotify, we will come up and you will see this playlist in full on there. So you can steal it use a few bits from it. Absolutely. Right off some of the songs if they're not up your street late. Why are you cooking the dinner yet? Get used to it get a feel for it. See if it gives you all the party Vibes and by all means use it if that's what it's about how you're going to play your music whether that is DJ band iPhone, whatever it might be. Only word of device here is to try not to get swept up with what everyone else has been having at their wedding. Yes. Do not please don't do trendy when it comes to entertainment. No because trendy might not necessarily be you and you're not going to enjoy it now and for example, you know, there's there's no point you employing a swing buttoned if you've got zero interest in the sound of a swing band exactly just because you know, three other friends had it doesn't mean you have to have it. No, but swing bands are great. I'm just saying if it's not your thing. You don't don't do that because everybody else is it's all about bringing it back to your own taste to make sure your day is as memorable as possible. And if you're hiring abandoned that they'll have their own set list as well. Like we've learned about make sure you see the set list and that you're happy with all the tunes that are on the set list and you can ask them to learn new songs if there's something you really want that's not on there, but I don't expect them to always say yes to that big night and if they do they might be like him a supplement that you have to pay because they're going to have to get together and use their time and resources to be able to her. Is that song on them? Play it for you now, that's right the logistics, you know to get together later saying rehearse and make sure they get that song right it's going to cost them money. So if you want a specific song that they don't have you might incur an extra fee for that. So just ask them about that, you know, they'll be more than happy to discuss that with you you looking for abandon you struggling at the minute, please visit rock my wedding doctor at UK forward slash the list because the bands that we have on there are phenomenal and you won't be disappointed by any of those. So if you're struggling head there because that should be it. First place to start really to try and Whittle it down. Yes, I'd you would like to have when it comes to both your band and your DJ you really need to remember that they are professionals and you can provide them with your playlist. But also you need to trust them to do their job as well and an experienced band or an experienced DJ will know which songs people get on their feet too and they should be able to read your guests and sort of see what's making them excited. Yeah, and then choose songs that are along that same day lately partygoers. It has a particular genre of music and they put it on Everyone leaves maybe don't play but genre yet again. You would hope they would get that, you know, oh, they're not down for that. I need to stick more to whatever it might be. Yeah, known up $19 System of a Down which that's the saying I noticed in these notes that Becky has not mentioned yet. I yeah, I skipped over that bit didn't I basically just a bit of anything, you know, I'll take the System of a Down just just FYI. My husband has to guilty. Sirs, right one is System of a Down. Okay, you two should totally get together and talk about mostly we will get can we just talk about the second one, please which we had not been together that long. I want to say maybe like a year and when used have cd players and your car. Oh, yeah, and he's like, you know, yeah, I do. Do you have a guilty pleasure music I thought alright if you switch over to the glove box, I think you know, okay you ready for this back here go on Enrique and lazy. He's gonna kill me. She gonna kill me. But that is the truth. And then worse plus he had his car stolen and after being concerned about the actual car being stolen the second thing you said was other taken of my CDs Enrique in there. I'm not being funny, but they're not going to be impressed. Wow with the next car with the Enrique in the glove box and armored with I have all of the not a clue. I remember seeing a thing with Anthony when he used to rock up in his Fiat Punto to pick me up and he went I think it was a petrol station something. I haven't his glove box. He had sweet like chocolate in there, you know from back in the garage day. Okay, but tune also so I can do this All right. So here's a tip. If you're unsure about your future husband or wife to be check. What's in the glove box. You think can be very telling is their musical guilty pleasure and because In years to come they might make you play at your wedding. Well Enrico's definitely not on my list normal, perhaps we should add it on actually for James. Okay. So yes allow your music professional some creative license basically is what yeah. Okay. So what I want to do now is which is what this episode is for is to give you the list of Dance Floor fillers. Now, we've got this from weddings that we feature my wedding. Yeah as in what is a very you know, what's the most popular? Was it turn up? Yeah, and we've also had it directly from you. We are readers Q via our Instagram DMS indeed. So we hope that it's an Eclectic, please everyone everyone on the Dance Floor listview. So we are going to raise her every single song we are so if you're bored already, please do such off but that's what we're going to do. And as Becky said before go to are riding on Spotify. Yeah, and you can listen to all these yourself if you like. What's that? You'll find it over there. Okay. Are you ready? I'm ready. Here we go. Do You Love Me Come Close is Little Thing Called Love Queens time bit retro here 20th century boy T-Rex Adele Rolling in the Deep remix, excellent tune, by the way people Reef place your hands. If you don't know when that's an absolute party fanger. Good job machine You've Got The Love Push by Deep Purple Bruce Springsteen Dancing in the Dark. My dad's favor. Oh hell. Yeah Outcast right on time Black Box. How's the Pain Jump Around? Rhythm is a Dancer by snap Love Shack by The B-52s. No doubt. Just a girl only girl in the world we Anna Iggy Pop Lust For Life Rebellion by Arcade Fire Uptown funk by Bruno Mars. Believe me. Just watch don't believe me. Just watch don't believe me. Just watch. Don't believe me just watch hi love by kygo Lullaby by Paloma Faith and sigala Thunder by Imagine Dragons a real recent banga Old Town Road by Lil. Nozick's Symphony featuring Zara Larsson by Clean Bandit dispatch. Oh Luis fonsi. This is me from the greatest showman soundtrack all of the Justin Timberlake song senorita sexy back. I can't stop the feeling. Yes. Wild Cherry Play That Funky Music antenna by fuse odg dreamer living joy and have it Shake Your Body by shy FX DJ looking at MCD master-blaster Armand van helden. You don't know me Mabel. Don't call me up one of your recent favorites to Allah Missy work it and get your freak on. Yes, the Beatles She Loves You Happy hit me to tell me on Kanye West touch the sky Liz. Oh good as hell Mahalia & Burna Boy simmer The Temper Trap Sweet Disposition classic wedding song that one of that one top loader Dancing in the Moonlight Destiny's Child Bootylicious. What a bit of a Milkshake by Kelis Queen Don't Stop Me Now Fatman Scoop. Be faithful Kaizer Chiefs. Baby, yes, take that classic shine Viva La Vida by Coldplay. Obviously. We need to mention Beyonce Love On Top who run the world single ladies and of time. I mean really your choices are endless Nicki Minaj Super Bass me Anna. Cheers We Found Love and don't stop the music Sean. Paul get busy. Amy Winehouse and Mark Ronson Valerie. Yes his Gaga for you. What about Just Dance? Stay with me. I think they're slower. But still absolute bangers to go on the Dance Floor to only cheerleader sambuca wideboys. That's my ultimate favorite. FYI Montell Jordan This Is How We Do It Calvin Harris Feel So Close. How deep is your love and one kiss featuring Julie? / I mean again Endless Options Avicii Wake Me Up Kaiser Hideaway. Just Glynn rather be Route 94 mile of also for those of you that aren't kids listening. This is really buting just are like top of the pops talk to her. I'm so sorry about that wasn't how we thought this would go in at number five thousand Gorgon City anemones. Kate ready for your look Oliver heldens. Becky Hill overdrive years and years desire Maroon 5 Moves Like Jagger. We does sneaky sound system pictures Amory one thing Ed Sheeran shape of you. Fratellis. Chelsea Dagger Mumford & Sons. I Will Wait. Yes Franz Ferdinand Take Me Out. Is he a school fix up look sharp. And dance with me Olly Murs heart skips a beat Pharrell and Jay-Z fronting. What back Beautiful by Snoop Dogg ODB got Honey, I'm gonna throw in a bit of anything Bill front mystical shake your ass. Shake it shake it plays and films right now in the place to be I told y'all dues before y'all dudes can't mess with me. That's a fun. No small boat. He's no circles. That won't you got the biggest one the moment the way you move. One Direction What Makes You Beautiful Shut Up and Dance by Walk the Moon Tinie Tempah and Jess Glynne not letting go Katie and Katie be turn the music louder seven years by Lukas Graham Drake and one dance and finally if you Happy by Pharrell Yeah, that's a great way to finish off a list. If you're still with us after all that well done and thanks Justice one point about compiling your list obviously include all of those amazing songs a great way to do. It is literally list out every single song that you love and if you find that you've got quite a few slow ones in there that aren't really going to A suitable for the evening keep them to one side and you can use them for during your wedding breakfast. Yeah, we'll have another episode All Aboard when people waiting to go into the ceremony absolutely fine in the register. Yeah, that's when those come into their own lives in it. Yeah, and if you're looking for a band or a DJ as we said earlier, please do go to the residual. You don't want my wedding don't have it UK forward slash the list because we have are curated list of hand entertainers in jail. Anything you could wish he named it as place to start and thank you for listening. Yes again, and here's Uno just mention a little five star rating and all that unit, you know the billionaire and we live your DMs. If ever you have any suggestions for Content or there's any advice that you want to give to other Brides then please do drop us a note for Instagram. Yeah, or email us at podcast app, but my wedding who don't iike see you next time. Bye. This podcast was brought to you by Becky and Charlotte from Rupp my wedding the UK's most influential wedding band for more content visit what my wedding block code at UK follow us on Instagram at rock my wedding or by the book your day your way from Amazon or any leaving book retailer. This podcast is produced by we are the flux.

We all know your wedding day is about your relationship; the adventure of marriage, the love. But we also know its about the party! amiright? and having the time of your life with your nearest and dearest. We've put together the ultimate wedding party playlist. All those songs that you love but can't remember the name of or have entirely forgotten about... they're all on our list. You'll have to excuse the very Top Of The Pops rendition of our top floor fillers countdown but get your pens at the ready to jot down some absolute bangers that are sure to fill your dance floor all night long - Oh, make sure you get that one in there too. After all, who doesn't love a bit of Lionel?! As well as an enthusiastic run down of said bangers ,Charlotte and Becky chat about deciding on your entertainment and how to manage the professionals you employ and how to manage the party yourself. Turn it up loud because you will be dancing around your kitchen and get ting in the mood for the best wedding party there ever was. Check out all the songs on our Wedding Party Playlist on Spotify for 8 hours of uninterrupted tunes. Disclaimer - Becky does in fact know that the very famous Luis Fonsi and Justin Bieber song is in fact called Despacito and not 'dispatchio'. What mega pop fan gets that wrong? Happens to the best of us right? Now turn it up loud because you'll be dancing in your seats to this episode. Check out the show notes page to see couples who really had their days their way and let their personalities and personal style sine through.

It was actually started and so the first company that I started watching in Japan because it's the biggest female 1 and yeah, I mean obviously everyone to starts watching it falls in love with it because the women are just crazy incredible. Well how gozaimasu? Konnichiwa konbanwa for whenever you're listening to the Joshi pod your weekly Podcast about the world of Japanese women's wrestling Joshi wrestling. I'm your host Erick Howard coming to you from beautiful San Diego California. First of all, I wish you guys all very happy New Year. I hope you have a safe and fun New Year's. I hope everybody visiting in Japan for the biggest International week of wrestling is enjoying themselves. If you're listening from Japan, please shoot me a tweet at the Joshi pod last week's episode with Alex Grassi was our most listened to show to date I sincerely appreciate all the support. You've given this little podcast. I was pretty humbling to see the download numbers that came out. From the first couple days when the podcast dropped. So again, thank you guys so much. I would still like you guys to go to subscribe rate and review on Apple podcast or whatever you listen to podcasts. You have no idea how much it means to a podcast special little guy like me by reviewing it and putting a rating. I would sincerely appreciate it. I also got my first taste of negativity which was quite interesting, but I guess it comes with the territory somebody claimed that I plan to the interview with Alex Gracia to counter. What other L said negatively about could get Sue can tell you that I did not plan that but I guess I like I said it comes with the territory getting criticized on the internet on the show this week. We do have our three count headlines of the week including even more retirements and a title change from pro wrestling wave. We review ice ribbon ribbon Mania show from December 31st. We look at hit at the huge week of shows and Tokyo. This is the biggest week outside of WrestleMania week in the world. There's so many stacks shows the total. Yoshi Pro show this week is completely stacked. Well, we'll go over the that card and we'll look at some of the shows going on this week. We'll see where look at even further to see where Josie performers are performing outside of Japan and in our big Main Event interview. We speak with Australia's own Avery who competed in 2019 five-star Grand Prix for stardom. I was actually at the last day of the Grand Prix in saw her defeat sooner Natsu if you listen to this show know before, you know, how much I love Natsu and you know, I had to ask Avery about her without further delay. Let's get to the biggest Headlines from this past week that I brought to you by quiet white designs. If you need a logo for a t-shirt podcast or anything else, please watch reach out to no one in the team at quiet white designs. You can search for them on Facebook @ q u IE T Wy ATT one word designs. You can also find their products on red bubble the T-shirt design I have on pro wrestling T's.com. The Joshi pod was also designed by quiet white designs again reach out to no one in the team at quiet white designs. They'll take good care of you. Headline number one no sake no champion. And Jason is Aki defeated takumi hero huddle in the Regina to waive championship this past week in the bill for this match and izaki did to go to a marvelous show and defeat. Iroha Europa. Aroha also defeated in Ozaukee on a show. So they were kind of one in once this was the tiebreaker if you will in Rohan doesn't lose a whole lot of marvelous show. So it was a Sign it is Aki was up to the task and the next top person for producing wave a Rojas amazing. And there's like he's clearly been number one for wave with her. Oh boy recently announcing her retirement who's just 24. The future wave is kind of up in the air in Nagasaki is the youngest of the poor wave group wave could use an influx of young talent. But this is Aki is the the right person to be the champion right now and hopefully Chef is she's a pretty good title run in her head. line number 2 Yeah. Thank you. The women have got to move the got to move on demand service went live on January 1st with the when you sign up. The first seven days are free. The Senate process is really simple. I was able to do it really quickly to sign up. Do it Lulu pencil said and go to got to move X GA toh mov. Eax dot pivot shared.com got to move as put also put some new t-shirts available on their pro wrestling T store. There's some different styles of t-shirts. Check it out. But yeah, If you want the full experience from each aquella without having to go to each akaya get the Gotta Move experience and see what all the hype and hoopla is about hype and hoopla them a whole lot. But the first couple videos we have on there are pretty awesome and you're gonna get a better idea of what got to move an inch a kaya is all about headline number three putting their differences aside. So Dave Meltzer reported that aw new Japan's relationship has changed. He's not saying there's a formal working agreement yet. But he says that the hostilities kind of simmered a bit could that mean more stardom Talent need W started Talent star times Talent is all over aw already with be Priestly and rijo, Jamie hater and others, but you wonder if it opens the door possibly for my you itani to come in for a show or for Kona me or jungle keyonna or Hannah camera who I think would be an absolute super-duper star in America if she made the jump, but you just wonder if with Abu she wrote I did New Japan and just building that bridge and maybe ignore Little bit of the Ring of Honor relationship that you Japan has that it's a possibility. We're going to see more stardom talents in the u.s. Rios has been super successful. I think it's a champion so far the crowd is really into her. I don't want to say there's better Talent than her in starting but I think there is and I think there's people who could do what she does and more on the stardom roster. I think I got like I said, I think hand I could be the mainstream superstar that Joshi rest. Things needed for quite a long time. Shibuya the show of the week this week is the ribbon Mania 2019 from New Year's Eve at Kirk and Hall which Drew over 1,300 fans. So ice ribbons biggest show of the year the show opened up with a gauntlet tag team match. I'm not going to go over all the names but it at the end I kind of Fujita and I saw he defeated Bonnie hot Okawa and humu cauchy to win the match of the end. Fun opener sloppy at times some other names in the match or Tejon Mama. Yappy Ram Kai Chow, who I'm in Reading Yamashita Ram Kai Chow who absolutely want to meet when I go back to Japan again fun opener kind of Vegeta who will be doing Excursion over to the u.s. In March and April. I believe of this year 2020. Hopefully we'll get her on the show as well while she's in the US. The next match was a singles match when SRI it Sheree condo got these Submission win over Reese's Sarah a lot of needs from Recess Sarah Siri uses her MMA background helped her get the win. Not sure sir. He will commit to wrestling full-time or should continue to pursue anime career. She's doing pretty well with both but she's 30 years old now, so she's at the prime both careers. So let's see what she decides to do for the rest of 2020. The next match was the international ribbon tag team match where Tsukasa Fujimoto and to cushy the Champions retained over Ibuki Hoshi and Suzuki. Nice old school tag team work from Hoshi and suzu everybody would all out for this one. It was a lot of fun. This is a really will work match and Fun match and it's worth going out of your way to seeing this one. The next match was the ice Xfinity title match. Where my he defeated Mike Ozaki my is the Ace of ice ribbon and she picked up a nice win over her sake my has been very aggressive in this man showed a little respect for the union. Manasseh trained was lucky. I was lucky did show some of her powerlifting and to muscle around my enduring parts of the match, but my Yuki is the champion heading into 2020 the final match in the show was the tequila Sia retirement match where she had a gauntlet where she wrestled thirtysomething people and one minute matches some of the highlights. She wants a time limit draw with most people which you obviously can can understand what just a minute she Tejon Mama Mike Ozaki was in the match. He Roy who's retiring her I said earlier in the show. Was in this match Ramen Kai Chow Sheree was in the matching the Yamashita of y'all with the time limit drones Risa. Sarah tequila did beat Minami Toyota in 40 seconds and that the end Souza Suzuki pinned tequila Sia and then tequila did a speech at the end of the show with her calling it a career. She still working in a restaurant and I think a bar and restaurant in Tokyo, which I hope to attend next time. I'm there. But again a fun show go on your way. To watch it. It's their biggest show of the Year 1300 fans in Korea can haul some very nice crowd and very comparable to start them's into the your climax. This is as far as the number of people in the crowd starting. It's a lot of attention for a lot of fans, but you know in Japan 1300 fans is nothing to sneeze at and they're showing they are an equal level as stardom. Hey guys, what's going on? My name is Steve. I'm the host of The Last podcast you'd want. Do you like movies? Well, that's what we talked about. I bring a guest on maybe more than one and we talked about movies. They like movies. They don't like movies from their childhood movies. They give him nightmares just some of the few topics that we talked about on the last podcast you'd want. So if you like movies, you can find us on Apple podcast you can find us. Google podcast you can find us on most major podcast Outlets tip the feel try the staff check out the show. The shows in Japan this week on tonight, January 3rd ice ribbon. Is that the ice ribbon dojo in saitama? I received an autograph picture from yappy this past week. Thank you happy. I'm trying to get her as a guest on the show. And then your future also the third start on Section key buffer string my you itani in sake Kashima face could get soon had a camera kind of the old way totai reunited as for one night as part of cat gets his retirement tour also in the third Julie and unders Miyagi face net Sukkot. Or a and Joshi patil. Um Zoe sky on the fourth Tokyo Joshi pro has a completely stacked card at korakuen Hall. Wish I could be there for this show. I'm gonna watch it on the DDT streaming service. And this will be the show that I review next week. The main event is me you Yamashita challenging for the princess of Princess title against yuccas akazake think we're going to see a title change their we're gonna get me you as the champion again where she belongs mockito defense for international princess championship against Hikari Noah. I think Maki retains and takes the title to pro wrestling Eve. Where should be part of Russell queendom. I go Rica and me you Yamashita defend the tag titles against the bucket retsu sisters Yuki, I know and edokko Tenma. I think the Champions will retain their there's so much more on the card. Even the mean those three matches are amazing. There's there's so much more. Sorry faces natsume Maki pom harju cars on the same team and Sasha Kong, which I cannot wait to see thunder Osa returns to Japan. Saki-sama faces Yuki come a fuku probably the only two women on the Tokyo Joe's cheaper roster as tall as I am. But I wait like 10 times more than all of them. Both of them combined probably but that should be a whole lot of fun seeing those two go at it and then she'll code Nakajima also faces hyper massell again a stack card and we'll review it next week. Also on the fourth ice ribbons that you'll come Yokohama radiate Hall in the morning and then Diana has a show there in the evening the fourth also started as at KFC. See Hall when you choose nerio Goku the Stars team of my yutani Arisa Husky and starlight kid face Moma Watanabe AZ Amanda Tommy hayashida. What should be an absolutely terrific match and then also on that car Julie and unders Miyagi face had a camera and death Yama Saint and then irisa my you Julia and Hannah will head quickly to the Tokyo Dome and be the dark match the start of wrestle Kingdom at the Tokyo Dome. Like I said, and so they have the double header there pretty quickly. They'll have to make the trip over pretty quick. It's not too far away, but I got double duty on the fourth on the 5th at Shinjuku face. Sendai girls are have a show in the morning and then odds Academy. Are there in the evening Tokyo Joe's hiepro is it did boshy greenhalgh seedlings that shin-kiba first ring with the main event of nanaia Takahashi Rio Mazuma Muses Nami and Emmy Sakura facing yoshiko hero you Matsumoto and I think one of the best up-and-comers, yeah me some more off from to aw. I was able to see her at a couple different shows when I was in Japan in September and she really impressed me. She stood out in a few of the shows that I saw her at. You know, she's very very talented young woman. I think she's gonna go places here in the near future also in that card Makoto and irisa Nakajima face one of my favorites really Yamashita and Kaho Kobayashi. Also on the fifth pure Jays at the commie arena in Tokyo on the sixth got some moves a teacher Kya chocolate Square. So all the people that are still there from the wrestle Kingdom shows go see gotta move and in Chicago a chocolate square if you don't you're going to regret it. Not sure if there's tickets still available, but go see but yeah, if you have the opportunity to go go go go go teach a chocolate square and finally on the 8th actress girls are at shin-kiba first Arena. Let's take a quick look at where Josie performers are pouring outside of Japan Eve right girls have wrestling present Russell queendom three on January 11th and London mockito faces session. Moth Martina a mucus akazake will face the winner of the match between Nightshade and Lana Austin who faced each other at ease battlecry event on January 4th ticket information will be available in the show notes Sumi Sakai returns to Southern California on January 10th that pcw Ultra anniversary show. She'll be defending her Ultras Women's Championship against true be raised again. We'll put links for the tickets in the show notes Ruby raises a really a standout performance Southern California right now. She's finally getting her do I think is In recognition from people outside of Southern California Tokyo just you Pro will be at WrestleMania weekend on Friday April 3rd at Russell con more information on an offer on sale date for tickets is forthcoming. I reached out again trying to get information was told that because it's so crazy right now in Tokyo with Russell queen Kingdom and all the Tokyo Joshi Pro shows going on right now during the wrestle Kingdom week that they're probably going out something after those shows at the dust after this the dust settles. From those shows. Hey everyone. This is the Pink Dream Alex Gracia. And you're listening to the Joshi pod before I get into the big Main Event interview with Avery. I want to again thank you guys all for downloading this episode of the Joshi pod. If you'd like to follow the show on Twitter, you can't at the Joshi pod. You can follow me on Twitter at Eric San Diego. Remember to visit procent. He's from January 1st to January 5th. You can get 20% off everything on the site using the code New Year. One word support paskus like Kikyo and Nicole Savoy. I'll put a link for the Joshi wrestlers who have processing T stores on. Show notes. It's a great way to support the women you because uh, kisaki has a shirt on their rijo hit car Rasheeda Asha Kong hero. Yo Matsumoto go with a Crossing T's.com take advantage of that 20% off and got to move again. Like I said earlier in the show has new shirts available. So if you bought the first round two shirts go back on there and save 20% using the code New Year. Again. Thank you guys for downloading this episode. We'll see you next week. I got to go sign Moss. Our Guest this week is one of the top performers in Australia and in August of last year, you know 2019 is last year now. She was selected to come over to stardom to take part in their five-star Grand Prix going to welcome to the show Avery I had to do some editing with the interview a little bit out smart. But we start the conversation with Avery asking her about how she was selected to come over to start them. Enjoy the interview. Do you know how they decided to pick you or why they selected you to come over. No idea it is always been a massive dream of mine to work and start them and it's always been that thing which I wanted to travel the world and get as much experience of his praying just get us goes. I can basically train hard and then maybe try my luck and trying to get into stardom. So it definitely was a big shock when they contacted me. So is it storm specifically you wanted to go to her just Japan in general. It was actually started. Instantly the first company that I started watching in Japan because it's the biggest female 1 and yeah, I mean obviously everyone that starts watching it falls in love with it because the women are just crazy incredible. So yeah started watching it when I first started wrestling where we a long time ago, and that was yeah always the one which was just like that's held some of the best women in the world right there. I want to really want to work for that. So, okay. So you you get picked to come to stardom you fly over or what do you do to prepare to before? Are you before you come over? How do you prepare yourself to be ready? For the Japanese wrestling? I'm sure you've heard stories about Japanese wrestling. Yeah, basically I everything I was told and everything I heard was acceptance from one person and I remember Scarlet giving me some advice towards it and everything. She said was awesome. But every everybody else that gave me some advice or anything heading into it. I got there and it was completely wrong. It was completely Different than what everyone had told me so I went in very much blind and I think all I really wanted Olie Billy Kidd was trying because I knew I would be a large person that I knew I would be a very tall. I know I would be heavier. Whereas in Australia. I'm used to getting thrown around like an absolute Ragdoll like there's a window smaller wrestlers here, but I knew I would be a quite large quite tall heavier person. So I had to just kind of completely change up everything that I kind of learnt up. Until then and just yeah start trying to be this Powerhouse hilarious. But so did Rossi Greek you at the airport? And he was I think I was supposed to but he was really busy that day something ended up coming up and one of the men oh my gosh. I'm terrible person of completely forgot his name one of the men lovely lovely Garden whoever drove us around everywhere. Basically in order to the world. It shows he ended up picking you up. Because the communication barrier, I don't speak any Japanese. He spoke very a bit of broken English. So it was kind of like a you this random phone white girl. Yeah, put the mic. I hope you're the right person. So you did take they take your straight over to the apartment or what happened then yeah. They took me straight to the I ain't never met the other girls and it was I think the first thing that happened was I was given a strong zero and the rest was a bit blurry but who gave you the strong 0 can I guess take a wild guess Martina? No. No, Jamie. Oh, okay. Drunk zeros is a couple in the fridge and I'm like, I would love heard so much about these. I've obviously have to give him a try. I think I had about two of them and I'm like, oh, wow, I'm already legless. I look up. I mean, I'm looking for them in America. I can't find him. I've had a few I was there as well apparently. Yeah, that's what everyone says. You're the crazy expensive on that was yeah, I'm going back in March. I want to hide some of my suitcase when I come home. Oh do it that's what I did. All right. So how many days were you there before? You actually had your first match at shin-kiba? I think it was So I think I landed on the 15th. Yeah, I think I landed on the 15th and the first match was the 17th. So it goes really not sure not long after I land it out had the first match. I think I had like one Dojo session or we went. Oh, no the next day. We went straight to the house at the interviews the what's it called? Well, you kind of sit down and you talk about yourself socially why you should win this fight five stuff grim. Three and so I thought that was the next day after I landed and the day after that was the match. So is that one of you on the fancy pictures with your sash on and stuff? Yeah. Yeah. That's the one that's amazing. How awesome is that? Um completely surreal. I'm definitely terrible terrible at promos and speaking and I'm trying to make myself seem good. I'm terrible at that. I'm very good at the self-deprecation jokes that anything else. I'm not that great on the bike. So I wasn't gonna tell me it kind of speaks you're trying to speak simple English of the interstate. Rose like cracking me ducks. And so he's like, oh it's okay relax, just you know act strong act tough or whatever you want to do and I was just like, oh crap, probably the scariest part of the whole truth. So your first match was against Natsu Couture Arena and raqqa good kind of get your car. Get your feet wet. It shouldn't keep a ring. Yes, although the first match was crazy because there goes my first match there. I remember one girl was so so young. She just turned 15 and The one was 15 and I'm like, oh my gosh. I'm about to get my ass handed to me by two 15 year olds, and it's like playing a video game. Okay, so then you're thrown straight into the fire when you get a face Momo Watanabe. How what was that like probably? She's someone that I admired for the like watched religiously on the stardom but meeting her in person and everything was a completely different experience and she was just so incredibly lovely and she's just I mean, they're so incredibly lovely to get out there and there's start wailing on each other. It's gonna love it. They did. What's the prize anything surprise you when you wrestled Momo like strikes anything like that at all? I mean, I don't can't say anything surprised me because I was expecting quite a lot. I was expecting to get hit pretty brutally. I was expecting a very tough match obviously, but it can't say a lot surprised me but I mean just being in the ring in the first singles match was a very very surreal and very very I mean that whole in itself was shocking and surprising so then you get you keep going Your next match is against my you eunuch singles matches against my you. Yeah, my next. So think I was cracking my ducks most of that money because I guess she's the stardom icon. She's pretty much. Yeah, the first thing you see when you click on a stardom page and so I say yeah very very nervous going into that one. She's good as advertised in the ring you think oh Beyond She's like he's so amazing. I can't stress how like crazily awesome doors the way she just like moves and cells and bumps and lands everything about her was just I was just like I remember just like Sally watching on the ground looking at it. I'm just like Jesus Christ. Like what what have I gotten myself into? So what was that is how do you communicate in the ring with her or with all the women? Um, honestly just didn't you arm have different, you know hand signals you have different like, you know, for instance like the Iggy's and stuff which is a very Universal wrestling at language and that's pretty much all you have. If everything kind of went wrong and you can needed to say anything it was I was blind. I just couldn't really say anything. I mean I learnt I remember And Leo, they taught me some like basic words like hurt and right knee pain things like that. I told me like basic words, but other than that, it was very much. Yeah after the my you Matt you got about a week before your next match. What kind of things did you do in Japan during your week off of them? What else which I really really Loved even the days off the floor and girls but down at the dojo, you know to expelling each other up. They're definitely trying to help me as much as they could so they would bring me down to the dojo really try and get me moving at me bumpy and get me, you know, trying to get me up just handed. So I really respected the them for that and then it was Dojo again for about three days and we had yeah, we had about two days off a week, roughly and yeah, yeah. Then the first foreign girls would take me down to the dojo and just keep me training. Keep me moving cab you go to the gym. We definitely got into the some drunken debauchery and had some drinks or went out partying. But if we only went out partying twice on the trip, which was quite a lot considering how jam-packed the schedule was, but it was a lot of fun and you're the foreign girls were be and Jamie and Martina. Yeah. It wasn't there when I was there. Okay. That's what she wasn't there. Yeah. Yeah. I think there was supposed to be a Casey Owens. Oh Kelsey Owens, but she was supposed to be in the five start to but I think something happened and something ended up going a bit skewers there something wrong with the visas or I don't know. Well next next you got a hand a camera. I'm sorry. We're going we're going a little match my match. You're a little bit just so I can no that's all right. That was probably one of the most fun I've had her Charisma in the ring was just another level a lot of things like, you know weren't playing and stuff and she just like went for and really gave it her all and like obviously has she's so crew is mattock in the ring. It's hard to start to begin their with it and not just like Swoon, but it was yeah, do you think her Charisma? Do you think her Charisma could translate outside of Japan? Oh 100% I know she's a fan of the western culture. I remember talking to her about RuPaul's Drag Race and we communicated over that we both have big fan of that and she yeah, she's such a funny person. She's got such a big sense of humor. And yeah, did you meet her mom at all? Yes, I met her mom. I did meet her mom. It took me a moment to yeah, recognize who I was talking to in the moment. But once I did was a little bit star struck down there was like I remember those are also girl who came to every single show Who would wear the same big pink braids as a Hannah was and she was a mix like only just walking and she was wearing a big saying cargo pants and shiny glittery makeup, and it was just the coolest thing Mooney Hannah out. picture of her she's so cute. How do you say? Could kill it worldwide. All right. So next you got your first win against sake cosima. Long time to figure out like a finishing move. Look dad it took. Any all things actually started to work, but I guess once I finally did I got a winner over sucky that was shocking to me. So you're a little bit bigger than her sweetie. We able to throw around a little bit. It's almost like I know why girls really really really trying aim to strength because that's something that I've never really tried to do is just get as bulky as I can. But I have an up most respects for the girls who just practice training religiously because the We have Sterling someone else around was awesome. I feel like the Hulk. I feel like a stupid man. It was the best like I mean, yeah, it was probably that double her size and it was I mean, they're like all the girls completely out a child me. They would running circles around me, but it's a pretty awesome feeling. Well speaking the next with us. Hazuki's a pretty athletic young woman. Yes, yes. 100% out Certainly looking back to the his you can imagine Pizookie shoes. Just like kind of like Hayes it am Zoomies. I would just run circles around me. Basically. This is the kind of crazy she retired so young. I remember talking to her backstage and she has this almost the same birthday as me. We both turned 21 in. First I was looking at them and then I saw her retirement over the internet and I was like Jesus Christ. Like that's very young. Obviously. She's either going on a different path or she is, you know doing what's best for her. But I mean I was I was like, oh, wow. Wow, I'm really like guess just getting started. All right, then you fight a wrestle another pretty icon of I think an icon of stardom at this point am nakano. Oh my God. Hands down. It's got to be one of my favorite matches throughout the whole tournament. I had the most insane fun watching her wrestle and moves in. The ring was just watching it online before I met her. It was just crazy and then seeing her in person was another level and then actually being in the ring with her was like, I think I was more Starstruck the whole time that anything sounds like that's awesome, though. Yeah. some girls Going to his terrible about it. So you wrestled Azumi next sheet. I did. She she said she ran circles around you. Yep. Absolutely. This is how my name job. She was just a little Listen to me how good is she for being so young? Oh, it was incredible. extinct so the dojo training was it with only the foreign girls or did you work with my you and could get Sue as well? I know I'm what's with everyone? Every training session of someone different every every door to those someone different every time over there. There's somebody else taking a class. So there was like, you know, sometimes it was different structures. Sometimes there was different areas I could go for be runs and things and there's always somebody else leading it somebody else like different people. They're just on the days off. It was mainly the foreign girls that took me down and helped put my but a bit. So what was like training with my you Maya Sounds very quiet. I was remember she was very very quiet. I didn't but I didn't speak any Japanese which obviously are very much should have learnt before I went over there. I think I had about two months to prepare. So I was a bit hit and miss but yeah, it's not a whole her very much a language barrier so I couldn't really talk to her much but I mean the she's yeah crazily athletic Cruz. She's just kind of turns of this. In person, which is in the room and just yeah, but it's awesome to watch could get to seem so cool to me is she seems she is cool outside the ring as he seems inside the ring. Yeah. Definitely. I mean, she's pretty bloody cool to look at in the ring. So that's saying something just as awesome outside of it. She's just like this laid-back Packy awesome girl, and it was just I was great. I got to have a few conversations with her thankfully because yeah, she spoke a little bit little bit of English, which Awesome to so hard to get good to have a few conversations with her. That's good. All right. So your last match is the one that I saw live was with Natsu. I asked everybody about knots because she's so different than anybody else. Tell me what it's like to wrestle Natsu. Sorry my spine. I think that was the one I was like looking forward to some like okay I can get in some like weed character stuff in here because she's guys look a little bit on the side of light lights lights as I do. So I was like awesome. We were allowed to get her to get some like cool character things in here and it was As yeah completely. It was planning a match with her was very different than playing about the other girls, but it was equally as fun people these FAQ videos and you got something you got the Bronco Buster from her and it was the best moment of my life. Only downhill from here. I think a lot of people are jealous of you. So great. You had so much fun. All right. So your last match when stardom was a championship match against Arista house key. Yeah. I'm sorry. I'm butcher. I butchered that language. I'm so sorry. But yeah, it was my I only found out that de Rossi came pulled me aside. He's like we're going to give you an opportunity for the Wipeout. I was like, are you kidding me? Have you watched me this five-star? Well, thank you. You sure. Oh no, he's like, yeah. Absolutely. Okay, go ahead and cut a promo once he gets to and Teresa finish their match. I was like you mean I have to come out after could get sued a race. I'd had a match. It's obviously it's going to be five star and blown out of the park and I have to come out after this after that talk that's like Jesus I was but I'm so so grateful. I got given that opportunity. Absolutely. Did she did she kick your head off? Yes. Missing it back and like I was trying to protect my head a few times and I remember a couple of times I would put my hand up and then just completely like not block the kick at all. Like it's just so just like would whack me in the head. I remember getting the think was the last two knees just being like well just gotta let it happen. Just like tasting Blood by the end of it so cover so much comes from of your kind of sum up your experience with stardom. I'm insane. It's incredible. Like it was an experience. I've had like no other the schedule the wrestling itself the passion that they have the just yeah, it's a life that's a job for them and it's incredibly it was amazing to be a part of it. I don't think I could stay there for more than like a year in time without maybe breaking in half, but I don't know how they do it honestly, but Definitely go back. Absolutely where it was the most incredible experience. I'd love to do it again. What did you take back in ring from when you from Japan back to Australia? Biggest thing it can taught me is just that fighting spirit that they have like, they'll get kicks 12 times and just get back up again and keep going and just keep throwing everything they have into it. And that was just the most impressive thing for me that I just wanted to yeah, definitely take back home and try and channel that passion. And yeah, I just wanted to be on that level it was inspiring. So I yeah, I can still really really trying to kick ass comes to training hard and hopefully I mean one day Imperfectly, I'll get up to that level and it's just think that's what yeah, my biggest thing. I'm taking away from it. What bit of advice would you give yourself now that if you could if you could talk to yourself before you went over. What would you what advice would you give yourself? I think I was crying too hard in the wrong places. And I think the biggest advice would just be just be yourself focus on your wrestling focus on what you do best in the ring. Don't try and do something that you'd be someone you're not and don't try and do things. You've never done before just really do what you know, you're good at Good. What's your why you want to share your social medias? Chrysler it. Why don't we Aw, guys, I do nothing, but post things about me making a fool of myself. So it's a lot of fun. I appreciate you joining the show, and hopefully we'll see you back in Japan soon. That's okay. Thank you so much for having me on it. Thank you.

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Hey guys, welcome to the weathering effect. This is episode 24 today's date is December 2nd, 2019, and I am Duds or Duds versus to the rest of the interweb today. We have a guest Carl. How are you? What have you been up to hide us? I'm good. Thank you very much this week in Minecraft. I've been working on the stock control system for my new wood vending machine.Dry sort of stole your business, but you kind of gave it away. Yeah, I didn't want to chop wood anymore. Well, I built a tree frog yeah, I was gonna do that too, but restaurant frustrating me, so it was like the the tree farm was the biggest Redstone think I've ever bail and it took me far too long to build G. It was going to be the exact same with me and I was like not doing it that do it a bit on a real Redstone thing the It like I did the the vending machine and then I built the wood farm for the vending machine. And now I just spent like two days building a stock control system for it. So I've been on like a real Redstone high at the moment. It's been a bit weird because it's usually not my thing. But yeah, you know you go through these Cycles, don't you? Yeah. I mean, I've basically been doing the same thing with the clock tower except that clock tower is as ingenious as I felt some parts of the Redstone. It frustrated me to my wits in that daylight sensors do not tell time anymore. Yeah, if you think it would you think it'd just be light, right? This signal strength is like midnight this signal strengths midday and so on and so forth. You'd think that would be how it was but I saw you doing it on stream and it's just like it's swear timings that That Forgives out especially at night. Yeah, and I'm sure if I were to I think I have it figured out my head. We're like between the second and third I call it modules. If I do the second third module and I extend it out two to three more blocks and then between the third and the fourth module I extend it out five more blocks. I think it would be correct, but I'll give you the time that you need right right. So give it's a right signal strength, right, but I didn't have the room in the mountain to do that. That would poke my Redstone through the side of the mountain. And to me it's like at this point. It's like okay, we're going if that's how you're going to do the daylight sensors in the nighttime sensors. I'm okay with that. That's fine. But you need to let me be able to put a clock on a block in a comparator behind it. To read off the correct time. Yeah, that would make so much sense to put down light like because I am frames can go on on the ground now as well not just on walls. So you put a clock in there comparator on the Block next to it and take a signal strap that makes so much sense. Well, and I thought about it. You can't do it tonight or frame though because the item frame obviously has its own Red Sox and Signal when you spin it, but if you just have the clock work like an item frame, it shouldn't be a problem. Yeah, well, you could just stick it anywhere by itself. Yeah, if an item frame can go there then a clock should be able to go there. That's very true. That be not been awesome feature. Let's let's get Mojang on that guy's exactly where's my red dragon? I need omni's Bane of Arthropods enchantment. I've watched his video on that finally caught up to that and now I need clocks to work like clocks that red dragon was very early this effect. I gotta make sure I don't forget it. I've been very close a couple of these episodes and forgetting the red dragon, you know what to do that, you know to do that the off the episode was really good though. I like some of the ideas that you had in that for Bane of Arthropods. I didn't turn in the show cause and that Yeah, I mean it makes so much sense that Shockers would be considered arthropods. Yeah, I'll leave a link to that in the show notes as well. So you guys can go watch albany's video because it's a really good one and it's kind of inspired by the podcast anyway, so we'll pop that in there. Yeah. I wonder where the next episode will inspire of need to do. Hey Arnie you want to make clocks work like clocks. I would really like that now be a good idea. But wait, why is it is it tucks or madcatz that does all of our data packs and my talk. I think I know winter is just a couple to insist on a couple mods cast on a few as well. I'm gonna have to hit him up. Hey, can you make clocks clocks? Can you make them work like that actually clock? Yeah instead of movable pictures. I mean, it's basically a gif in an item frame literally is exactly And it's gift and not GIF. Come at me. If you want to argue about that. Oh God the GIF gift of it. Yeah, I shouldn't I should have kept my mouth shut. Yeah, other than these going to set the agenda on fire. She's exactly other than the clock tower. I've been working on a scripted Minecraft episode, which may be really cool. Yeah Ringling a wrangling in some help from certain people. I'm trying to keep it quiet. I told Carl before the podcast. I'm going to keep the topic of it quiet for now, but it revolves around the 2.5 Ripple effects. He's in and it's a lot of green screen work, which I've never done. And I'm scared and nervous at the same time. Basically after this weekend. I'll know if I can do it or not do it. So if you guys never see this episode that means this weekend did not go well and we're not going to do that episode. It did not go. Well guys, the testing did not go. Well. Hmm, and I mean, other than that, I've been doing a lot of work on my car. So basically since I got it at 16 Is an hour I get this like plastic flapping sound on the passenger side. Whoo. Yeah, as I'm good, but at 65 miles an hour the sound goes away. So what do I do to not hear the sound anymore? I just go fast everywhere. Yeah, just drive it 65 everywhere. I mean it held a solution. It helps that most of the time I drive on the interstate. Anyways, like I literally I drive two miles to get onto the interstate and then I take the interstate for 20 minutes to work and then my work is literally a mile off the interstate. So yeah basically have to hear it for a little bit exactly but basically every weekend I spend at least And now we're at my parents house or whatever taking plastic panels off and looking for this stupid flapping sound and every time I'm like, I've got it figured out I got it figured out and then I go drive it home and do and I'm like, oh my God, I'm gonna kill something it's off again. Exactly. And then this weekend, I mean I would to do this. I have to Jack the car up crawl underneath there and I'm a big dude crawling up underneath the tiny Mustangs not So I crawl underneath there. And at first it was just looking for loose plastic and tightening it out. Then it was ripping the plastic down looking around and putting the plastic back. And after this weekend I said enough of this. I'm going to check the engine compartment see if there's anything in there because that's the one spot haven't checked yet and I'll be darned if I didn't raise the hood look over to the battery and it's got this plastic cover that wasn't tightened down. I wanted what the heck it's always the last place. You look always right. Well, yeah once I find it I'm not looking anymore. That's true. Yeah for design these stupid plastic clips and the hole that the clips go through to hold it in. They have the same diameter as the clip. So it takes like nothing to have that plastic slip over the cliff and just flap around like something stupid. So yeah being the great engineer I am I drilled holes and guys zip-ties zip-tied that panel closed and I that's never covered up again. Yes, if my battery dies. I'm kind of screwed. I'm going to have to cut off them sometimes but hopefully the listed to that noise. That was first exactly. Well. I say this I did it up driving to Advanced Auto after work and buy a bunch of Clips to replace a zip tie. Wait, I just haven't done it yet. I wanted to make sure that was where the sound was coming from. And so far for two days. I've not had a plastic flapping sound when I drive around nice. So I'm like I have fixed that stupid feels good. I've had this car seems like June and it's been bugging me that I can't find it. It's Jude. Yeah, it's been doing it. Yeah. Not much December. It's like right out of there at this point. My hair's falling out. I can't take it. Yeah. So those are my rants for the week guys, if you've managed to stick with the episode, we're going to talk about some Minecraft now we do it after but we do have some updates. Well, I shouldn't say update their pre-releases. So they're mainly bug fixes for the most part. They're arguing pre-release three. I didn't even see prerelease to yeah, I think pre-release free. I want to say came out within a few days of pre-release to I want to say they were really close together and because it's coming out on the 10th 115 is supposed to drop on the temp that I think they're just trying to get them out as fast as they can just to iron out any last minute issues. Yeah mixer. I mean I'm seeing stuff like tweet chunk loading render performance further. That's fine. I'm good with that. From what I'm seeing from snapshots. I am super excited for that because that's been my biggest gripe is flying is a scary thing to do on Minecraft definitely especially on a server. Like if you have like even a couple of people on just trying to get off the ground is bad enough. Never mind it actually loading the chunks as well. So that seems to be improved. Then there was a saint Exuma video. He let off a load of TNT and it was actually not Frame City for a change where it's like PowerPoint presentation. Yeah, it was actually like proper smooth. It was really nice. Let's see. This is the best part because now you're not going to realize you're crashing the server until it crashes the server. We're good at crush. It is server. Anyway, it's five. Yeah. Let's see met text colors on sign match how they looked at previous versions. I didn't know it changed. Yeah, I think when they updated the lighting engine as part of the rendering performance, it got like really bright on the signs that make sense. Yeah. So I think they've just dialed that down to what it was previously. I'm sure if you perfect white text on like dark oak signed it stands out like a night light. Yeah made sure foxes are Players what? I don't know what that's about but I assume the game fought foxes were place. Yes you oh I bet it was loading chunks that Fox's room thinking it was a bear walking around probably be yeah that makes a lot of sense and then it says fixed bugs. So there was books. Yeah, there was a load of bugs now, they're fixed baby ocelots. Don't spawn naturally as snow can be placed on top of Of fully grown wheat that was weird. Sounds awesome. You could put Snow on top of fully grown wheat, I went stuff like wheat to grow through Snow Yeah, like if it's a single snow layer, if you do choose snow layers, it shouldn't work. But if you do a single snow layer, I want grass to be able to go through it and flowers and stuff like that. That would be cool. That'd be cool. Yeah, there was just loads of glitches. There's nothing too much on there. But again the link to the blog post is in the show notes. So you guys can peruse all of those bug fixes at your leisure. Yeah, and basically Carl wrote up this entire episode. So he has all the correct links. I'm sure me and bankers and him just weird stuff. I've just like that go this doesn't exist. This is a link to Canada's Government website. What am I supposed to do with the head? What are you doing? Hey, what are you some Tim Hortons? I know Canadians. Actually, I think they're like against Tim Hortons now or something. I don't know. Anyways, they got the combat snapshot into 115 out to it's not going to be released with 115, but they want to make sure the stuff they're fixing and combat works and 115 correctly, right? Yeah, they basically rolled they pre-release into the combat help. Dates and make it one so they can test all of the combat changes within you know how 115 is going to come out to us? Because I think they were testing it and 114 before. Yeah, and obviously things have changed with like rendering engines and any of the bug fixes that they've done as well. They just want to make sure that it's compatible basically and that it all works as it should do. Yeah so far. I'm good with everything the one combat update. I saw that I got really excited for was Arrow accuracy has been increased. Decreasing the uncertainty value for a guy like me who uses a controller on PC. I would constantly complain that you can hold the cursor in the same spot and fire multiple arrows and they'll never land in the same spot because now it was sort of random wasn't it? Yeah, that said - yeah, that's that uncertainty thing and I can't be as accurate as someone with a mouse. So PVP from you is just basically off-limits, but now that that uncertainty value has Has been decreased. It's like okay now I'm maybe I could compete a little bit better and play this Capture the Flag game. Carl's got going for us. I'll lovely capture the flag with crossbows and fireworks that we're going to be doing hopefully soon as part of maybe a livestream maybe just a special episodes, but we'll see what we can do with that. But it's a really good game and I can't wait to play it same here. I really want to play and but yeah, I think the accuracy because the Introducing the target Block in 160 in as well. So yeah kind of a kind of goes into that. They want it to be more accurate so you can actually make proper mini games out of that block and that as well because it gives a different signal strength based on where you hit the target block. Yeah to see how accurate you are and obviously if the game's not being accurate itself, then the player can't be accurate either. So if in that sort of bringing that into line with With with the target block as well. Yeah, the other thing critical jumps will not trigger a hundred percent of the time. I'm good with that. That's awesome. So basically every time you jump and attack there is no cooldown it all go straight into it. That's good. Yeah the shield whenever you crouch I guess it would Otto pull the shield forward. Yeah, I saw her Exuma talking about this. I didn't know it did that. I mean it makes sense for it to do that. But I yeah, yeah, I like that change. Yeah. trident okay, you guys are working on the tried it make them an effective weapon just not open only on sea animals. Yeah, it's I've got to tridents and I never use them exactly. I would love to use a trident more I would as well like it's just that they added end. It was cool at first roll are tridents pretty cool. Yeah got all got one of got two of them even and with the different enchantments on and that it's just like they just sit in my under chest in my toolbox. Shoka box. Yeah, just sit there. Well, I mean I had been contemplating for a while now and I'm pretty sure I've said this in streams and episode just playing with more minimal armor. Mmm. So like leather boots and like a leather helmet only and maybe a light shower Wings. Obviously. Those are basically needed. Yeah, maybe to increase the difficulty even more no swords or bows just to try to just try to imagine a zombie. About 20 minutes basically like pleased with the thunderstorm happened now so I can kill the zombie Robert just tickle it with it. I mean that's another thing. I mean you could probably make a day to pack but sharpness five on a trident, right? Probably. Yeah. Yeah. It's just changing the the table and said yeah only weapon I love tridents the way they look I think it's a cool thing but they're so weak the Blah, it's almost kind of like the cross but I think the cross was a very cool weapon, but it takes so long to reload. So yeah, I think that's in the crossfire. The only thing it's really got going for it is the fact that you can use fireworks and yeah overwise the bow is better when you do using arrows. So yeah. Yeah, I think a crossbow should be more of a One-Shot kill. Like what is it piercing? You can put on a crossbow. I think if you've got the Uh Max piercing. I mean it might be I don't use the crossbow. So maybe that'll be some of the stuff I play with when I go to the 2.5 season. Yeah play with tridents and crossbows. I think in the Capture the Flag game I did some testing and I think I only tested impaling one and it was like 4 shot kill which is which is what I wanted for the the PVP game. Yeah, and I didn't I didn't really test any more than that because that's kind of what I wanted, but I would assume it like it probably doesn't take it down to one shot kill. It probably takes two maybe three. Bye. Too sure. But yeah, if it was impaling 3, you know, you know on that kind of weapon where you have to draw it back and everything, you'd think it'd be one shot kill on that because you can't put quick charge and impaling. I don't think on them. No, you can't because I have to put two I have to put two separate crossbows in the in the game. So you can either choose between impaling and get in a faster kill or quick quick charge for loading it faster. And basically when you do the Capture the Flag game, you have to choose which one you want any one time so it's like a strategy kind of thing. And so if you could put those two things together, maybe that would improve it as well. I think this is going to have I might have to do some Minecraft science here and see if the maximum paneling does one shot kill because if you can that makes up for the fact that you can't put the quick charge on. Yeah, that would make it, you know viable. They carry around with you if it can do the One-Shot kill then you know what I take away all complaints fix the tried it it's just like just tridents now guys, it's just just Trident. So in my red dragon and we don't need Bane of Arthropods get that out of here whoring prove it. Yeah or improve water. That's a snowball's now stack to 64. That's good, which I don't know why it's taking that long to do. Then again, I don't think I could hold 64 snowballs period so it's true. They've got a 4 tick cool down so you can throw them faster. I really like that. They've also now made it so they don't render the first two ticks. So when you throw the snowball the first half a second of it being thrown doesn't take up your entire screen. Yeah, that was really weird that it did that because it was like it was coming from your mouth as something. Yeah, do I throw snowballs for my mouth though? I've heard from my arm. So why would it come here know how you guys do that? There are four my tongue Frank from by ear or my eyes my eyes just froze. It just sounds like a frozen wet willy. All damage and chance can be applied to axes good good. I'm excited about that. And then in the 116 news we got red nether Vines. I saw the tweet on that so cool. Yeah. It's a tweet from Jasper and it looks so cool. I wonder if they stay red when you take them out the never I assume that they are a new item rather than just a texture that's applied to Mine's in the never I assume it's like a new you know, you're gonna have to you're gonna have like green Vines and red vines that you can get now. I was thinking the exact same thing because you can see Red Vines and like real life and I don't mean like the candy because we have Red Vines as candy here in America. But yeah, there are Red Vines out there and stuff. So I really want more colors, but I also need to know can I only Put the Red Vines on nether brick items. Let me place it on whatever happened to I mean the Tweet is just like, you know, he's working on new biomes in 116. So there's not much information to it. But if we kind of dig into it hopefully like you can like user A what? You may call it the Harvest cheers. Yeah, that's the word I'm looking for. So you could use shares to harvest them take them back to the old world and put them on on the side of your lovely Castle. I would love that especially where I have that explosion were a portals at ready eyes would look really good there so many great uses for that, which I'm going to assume that we can do that. Imagine if you can combine Red Vines and Cobblestone. It's an eye you have to read cobblestones of the greenish Cobblestone read mossy. Cobblestone. Uh-huh. That's so cool. It would look so Sinister in some bills. That would be awesome. Wow, you got do that Bojack come up. Yeah, you listen to the show or why you think about it? Like magma blocks have the same kind of Kabul texture. Yeah. I imagine combining those together. The vines in the magma block you can ma see magma Buffy back. Then it would look cool. It was it makes no sense, but it would look cool. A Minecraft doesn't make sense with a lot of ways. It's like sex. This place is made of blocks. Why is everything Square except for the clock that I can't put on the wall? Yeah this clock which is circular. Yeah, but you can't put it on the wall. Well, I guess snowballs. I mean, they're not even really snowballs. They're just white circles diamonds and and apelles kind of ruins the argument. Yeah. All right, we get it. But okay, so instead of the normal listening to one of us read the ad today. We actually have somebody there ourselves saying why you should join the Discord. So we're just gonna let them talk for themselves. Hey everyone. I'm ytyt and I'm a member of the weather affect Discord. It's a great place to hang out with fellow the sisters like me and the people who work on the show strong today and let's discuss game. We love there are links in the show notes. Alright, I hope you guys enjoyed that add. Let us know if you want to record one of those we have some stuff to do with that and well Carl's got all that figured out for me. I need to I need to make some more scripts. Yeah. Yeah go to the Discord link is in the show notes, and there's a post there from me asking people to read our disco dad like that post. I'll get in contact with you with a script very shortly and we'll get you guys on the show just Why do you itdid this week? It was awesome and that interlude music was made by the one and only our music maestro decoy. You did an awesome job on those interlude. So thank you D car. Yeah, I love it because we're just like hey Duke, we had this random idea. That might be fun. Can you make some music for it? And he's like, yeah sure in the next day. Here's some music and then the day after it's light has some. Oh, yeah. Here's another one. So that first pass I wasn't happy with it. Here's another one. Oh man. This is awesome, too. The next day no, we're going to go with this one. Here's another one. I used two of them in that as well. What at the start and one at the end and they work so perfectly together. It's unbelievable. So good job decoy. Yeah. I really liked it when I listen to it. It sounds perfect. But our topic this time is all Carl cause I was absolutely useless this week, you know Thanksgiving and stuff. So I had food coma brain going you're like that good. I have a showed too much. I can't do this. I can't but we're topics I gonna stand on the scale when I just cry good at that guy. Noooooo. I did I eat so much exactly. We don't have Thanksgiving in the UK, so That is your fault that's awful of it up. I would like to eat more food. But you know, it's not socially acceptable clearly, it's fine anyways, so we're getting into the festive Spirit early. Well, I shouldn't say early because it's after Thanksgiving. So people who say you can't celebrate Christmas to after Thanksgiving Canal stick it yeah. It's like that box is Tech to guys thanksgivings text. So we're going to hit it with some ideas to get into the Spirit on what you can do on your Minecraft server. Yeah, we kind of felt the because you know, it's the start of December and if you guys want to set up Christmas areas or get yourselves all together on your server that this is the best time to do it. We're coming up to the holidays and it takes as me and Duds know it takes quite a while to put together a Christmas area like we did last year on the Ripple effects, and hopefully we'll be doing again this year and we've got guys That grind and it still takes a while. Yeah, literally I'd log in each day to the Christmas area and there was another free built literally I'd been off the server while I was asleep for like eight hours and I'll come back and like there's this Santa Sledge and there's this snow globe and everything's whole all gone from being grass to be in snow all within the space of eight hours. It was it was pretty mad. Yeah. I me build a mini game. Puts you on the naughty list just because you just want to curse the entire time. Yeah, so what do we want to get on our first topic? So Christmas is a good time to get together with people on your server. And so the first thing you want to do is build yourself a Christmas Village. Yeah, I think is the best place to start with and you need to pick a nice area for that going. So you've got a few options you got snow eat egg ra Tundra tundra. Yeah, I even read that out earlier. So I would get it wrong. But you know, it's words are hard words are difficult. You've got things like I spikes areas, or you can do what we can of did last year which is put our Christmas area next to a nice bikes biome and kind of turn all the grass into snow using that cool little snow golem trick that you guys use. Yeah. I want to say like, that's the very first thing I've always been Whenever I was like Christmas Village time, and it's build the snow golem snow machine. Because you really need that. Um, I'm trying to think is there an easy way to explain it because you kind of have to have the Golem sit kind of awkwardly with Minecart Hoppers. I'm sure there's tutorials and stuff out there. Yeah, this probably someone that I can't remember how you guys did it. But it kind of sits on I say on the on the on the hopper Minecarts kind of like two of them under each one of them. There's Locks pushed into Hopper Minecarts. Okay, and then I want to say there's glass panes behind their heads. So they kind of sit on multiple blocks at the same time. So that way you can get even more snow and just a single block at a time because you know efficiency efficiency. It was really cool. I'd until you guys built that last year. I didn't even know that was a think you could do. I didn't notice a thing. Kind of craft we had a player named NAB ski, and he immediately threw one of those things up and I was like, oh this is genius so cool. You just hit it with a shovel and you just get snow for days. Of course. I didn't realize like snow golems are so useful for like dragon and fights also. All right, have you seen winner makeup? So if you make like, I don't know 30 snow golems in the end Island when you're fighting the dragon. Basically, they're just constantly throwing snowballs at it. Men, so they all of the intermittent or just so ticked off at the Snowman they don't even bother messing with you. That's that's really cool. So that kind of like luring them away. Exactly keeping a busy over there while you fight the dragon. Hmm. That's very cool. That's very cool. And of course now well in after this combat updates release Snowballs will stack to 64 as well. So you can get even more snow in those chests. Yes, or you getting the In one year, so it's all going off. Now if I think if you use silk touch you could actually get the snow layer, but I don't because I think you have to turn that into snowballs to make a snow block anyways. I don't know. Yeah, I don't know if this is like a year ago. That was Charlie figg back. We haven't even started like we literally just announced. Hey, let's let's do some Christmas streaming. We haven't even decided if we're going to the same place, which I'm hoping we are because there's a lot of like room left to be worked out over there. Yeah. There's a lot we can do with that Jimbo put up a great fence around it. That looks really cool. I doubt like bricks and that and there's a lot of area still in that in that section that we can use a method of using his design for that fence it may because I liked it so much. I saw that. Yeah, I was I was around the other day looking at your base because I need to update the intro of my episodes. So I was kind of looking for areas, you know to take screenshots of to put in the intro that I do I change that every five episodes. So I need a new one now and I was kind of looking around the bases and I was looking at around yours because you've just done all that Landscaping over there. Yeah, and now it kind of looks like I've been doing work the season. Yeah, and I saw the fence desired. I was like, oh that's for the Christmas area. That looks really good here as well. So yeah looking very nice. Yeah, I used it on the backside for my tree farming area and that area is just not it literally was for just chopping trees and then I would needed a Too kind of Mark out where my base ends and where regular Minecraft generation begins. I was like, well, I used it back there and it looked good. I'm just going to use it up here too. And oh, yeah, it looks really cool really cool. Yeah. So anyways, you found your location, you know where you're going to build. Where do you go from there? So first of all spawn proof, yes that have creepers coming up to you blow it up. So you Christmas build. So make sure you spawn proof and it again it lit up. You got a big fence get yourself a Jimbo. Yes, get yourself a Jimbo. One of the things you got to remember is light melt snow. Yeah, so You're one wanted to do is get that snow cone machine going because you got it replace all the blocks with snow blocks. Yeah, because otherwise it's going to melt those layers. So but at the same time cross out, yeah, but at same time, that's awesome. Because now you can do hidden lighting which I am all for so you can hide some lighting underneath like white carpet. I used iron trap doors every once in a while. I don't think there's any other white objects, you can really use now if it gets just those just like I am trapdoors and they the white carpets probably your best options on that definitely make some bushes in height some lighting underneath. That's my favorite way to hide lighting is bushes. Yeah. Got some Redstone lamps may be on top of your fence. If you can get a cool way of powering them from underneath using a lever to hide the red stone. Yeah get ours in daylight centered. It does a lot of time we found a use for the daylight sensor. So yeah, it's fine if it'll turn on and off when it's dark but it will not tell you the correct time. Now, it won't tell you know what it's dark but it's midday when it's midnight. It was just go and here's a random signal strength. It's black with oh and I go back to I'm sure it's not random and I'm sure someone that much smarter than me can dial it in but it's a come on marrying it worked before. Oh, yeah, they'll be so maths to it that we don't understand. Someone will probably play out to us at this moment. Someone pushes their glasses back and goes I've got this it's like guys I'm joining the Discord and I'm going to tell you why you're wrong. This is why does is dumb? Well, I'm sorry. I'm not live streaming. So you can't hit the dirt button to let me know. I'm dumb. We need a we need a retrospective dirt, but what can we do like My modes and Discord or something like that. We just need like a was it the Palm to the face of my Duds skin. Yeah, it's got that all that like we could make Dad stopped again. Please don't I'm losing brain cells by the day like the more white hair. I find in my beard. That's the more brain cells. I know have disappeared. Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's how that works. It's a a school of the bed you get the bride cells back. If you do that. Let's use a Sharpie. It's just gonna say I need a Sharpie forget hair. Dye Sharpies. Yes, it had eyes expensive. Well, it's off a Sharpie. Then you get into the mustache part and you start coloring it in and then you inhale too much Sharpie. So you just pass out. Awesome sleep for a bit kids. Do not inhale Sharpies. Don't do that. We don't want to be held responsible. And I was just sitting there thinking like well, they're not going to take me seriously because no one takes me seriously and then I was like, I better make sure they don't take me seriously. Do not inhale Sharpies. It's this climate. I'm looking for someone to record that with the end. The weathering effect is not responsible for your stupidity. Yeah, that will be in the show notes. Okay Baxter back to Christmas builds. I want to say I did well this goes under fun games to I built secret santa. Basically the last two times I did a Christmas Village that was really fun doing this because they could Asana. Yeah. The only problem is every time we've done secret Santa at least for me is always been like in the middle of the season. So everyone's worried here doubt. It's kind of like what do you get people about point? I think I have everything I have old. Full diamond Enchanted armor, they've got analyte ra they've got tridents which are useless the cut crossbows. They've got all this stuff. So what do you get people and yours was perfect last year because it was Ashoka box full of gold and carrots and I think I made that last until April so everybody needs food. Exactly. It's a consumable, you know, it's something that you need all the time. So definitely a Left and I had an idea for Secret Santa this year and I need to talk to the server maze to see if they'd be up for it. But in like instead of getting gifts for people like maybe doing collabs with people. So you do the normal secret Santa and whoever you get like you try to do a collab with them. Mmm. So that way everyone would have liked to co.labs with other people and kind of I mean, it's the season to be playing together to so why not? Play together and do cool apps or whatever. Yeah, it's kind of like how decoy did his sort of doorbell service? Why he do you a doorbell and then you did like a build or something for him. So for DK I did the potion brewing machine. Yeah, so that kind of thing where you could like work on something together or kind of like do something for each other rather than just giving Michelle could box full of stuff. I just realized that he never had me do anything for the doorbell. Oh, he installed in my shop decoy count on it message isn't well, if you guys don't know decoy does his single player world all I never did and it's a very fun episodes. So chill series to watch as well. You can just sit back, right so nice hot chocolate and just watch it. It's really cool. But he was just getting into that at the point. I requested a doorbell. Uh-huh. So he's been on there the entire time he's not really been on the server. So he hasn't eaten anything built. Maybe I'll go build one of those famous Ikea chairs for him because he needs help with that clear. Yeah. Clearly, I don't want to do that. Last time I did that. He just put chairs all over my my babies. Yeah. It was well, it shows that he's learned, you know, he's just showing off his skills. Yeah. Look what I can do. Okay. So what are some other things to build and yeah back to like what we did last year. So we had a big Marlo built like a big snow globe with like a Christmas house inside it. That was really cool. So this big glass Dome and I want to say that went up in like four hours. Yeah. I want to see my God for lunch and came back and there was a snow. Yeah it was Bear yeah, Bala wasn't even up. Yeah. No, I never saw him. He got it. He never was on when I was on and then when I got on he was already off again, so it's just like who built the snow coat roulette ball. Oh, it's like wet. Let's do this. Okay. So Barlow's obviously freaking Santa he's got tons of elves helping him. Yeah, definitely definitely and so you've got that you've got obviously the thing that I built last year the Christmas tree with the custom heads the different colored like Bobble kind of heads that you can put on So You people's Your Greens yellows pop those on there to look like bubbles and you've got and just remember this though. Jimbo's snow bad. Oh, yeah, and if his giant head on it, it's just gonna lead to no prank that lash over the fish and He has tried in what was that? Even about Jimbo at some point? I think Mitch mentioned fish sticks. Oh, yeah fish sticks. That is a I think he was just saying something weird how like I'll randomly yell out or fruit or something. Yeah, like I'll say bananas or I'll go potato and I think Jimbo just kind of went fish sticks and I was like, okay you want to play my game. I'm noticing that down fish sticks. I'm going to use that. It's a butt. You cannot use my own sayings against me. Yeah, that that snowman was perfect tho his head fit perfectly. It's until moms had yeah, so I removed prank January 1st. So you remove most of the pranks to be fair? Yeah. Well, I mean I thought me and Bank did prank surmise as kind of our Christmas livestream, which I thought was hilarious at the time, but I didn't want anyone to feel forced to have to clean up a prank. So I think I got to just about everyone's I'm trying to think I think Omni definitely did not let my prank stand for very long. I took mine down as part of Taking down the the bunny that Jimbo and off after somebody. I'm not saying who somebody killed some rabbits definitely wasn't me but I got blamed for it. So, yeah, the only thing I've been calling around the server have been cats and that's because I'm gonna put a ton of them in my base in the walls and ocelots under the ground. Yeah. That's what I always found that funny because he didnt realize I have friendly creatures sounds off because at the time I was building the gold farm, so I didn't want to hear the Minecarts non-stop. Yeah, so I just turned it on so he's putting all these cats around the base and I didn't realize it till like a week later baked comes over and goes did you get a cat? This cat's a kid? You don't have them? I don't know. Yeah. And then one day a magical chest appeared in the most random spot on my face and I was like hmm. I don't think so. So I stood like on the chest or next to the chest put down a bucket of lava. So it went all around it and sure enough. As soon as I opened the chest it was trapped chest and all these cats come springing out but they sprung out through the lava. So I'm just shooting fire cats the year. It was a terrific same as well as being extremely Really hilarious. So those who love Minecraft cats. I'm sorry. This was before the great cat custom pack design. So no jellies were hurt in the filming. Yeah, that was even before cats that was ocelots. Wasn't it? Because now the two separate things only ocelots and cats, I think. I believe it was still where you had to breed ocelots to make a cat. But yeah, they're definitely two different things now. Cool, cool. I think the thing that I loved most about our Christmas Village was your zombie snowball fight with the iron golem with the angles with the snow golems. I love that thing and I can't take any credit for that. I watched Tango and impulse build that one year and I thought that was the greatest thing I had ever seen and so me and make a political. Yeah, we built that two years in a row, I think each time. Slowly perfected their design because while it was good it still had a couple flaws or whatever. So you cheer I think it's gotten better and better and I guarantee you I could walk over there and that thing would still be working. I mean his I was that I was over the other day and it's looking around the Christmas Village and it's still going the still there having a snowball fight. Yes, you know the last nearly a year. They've been having a snowball fight. They must be tired. Third what's your definition of Cold War? These guys are throwing snowballs for a year? Yeah. Yeah guys. Yeah. I'm trying to think if I did an episode on that or if it was just a live stream. I think he showed it off in an episode. Thank you kind of went round the Christmas Village and kind of like looked at everything. Yeah, but it was definitely it was a livestream project though. Yeah. Yeah makes sense of something. How do I probably build a secret Santa on? An episode and then during the episode showed off the village and that's tough. I know you uploaded the livestream Replay for that one. Yeah, so you can go watch Duds and Bank build the zombie snowball fight if you want to go and watch that are free and a half hour live stream of them doing it. Those are whenever we have to get mobs those livestream seemed to take forever because you will like snow golems add zombies. This is going to take a while. Yes why I think that was at a time where they had just changed the rules for pumpkins. We're sure if you had to Shear the pumpkin. Oh, yeah, I want to say I remember putting a pumpkin on a snow golem going. What the heck? Why doesn't this work? It should work. I could have swear. I remember Omni walking over with shears and just clip and then boom Snow Golem. It's like, I don't think that was an episode. I think I was just messing around and he understood why I was trying a lot staring goodness that would pumpkin. Tower to staring at like what kind think out I think it was odd because Omni was in that area a lot but so is Jimbo hmm because both of them were grinding out ridiculous builds. Well, we got an igloo is also a fun Christmas build. Yeah, you can put like a nice fire in there some nice seating and stuff and have yourself a little Igloo because our igloos sort of in the middle of a frozen lake where we have armor stands with our heads on and with with like colored leather armor on it kind of like like the skating around the ice ring around. On the igloo, that's really cool as well. Hmm, you've got fun games down. Yeah, so we talked about secret santa, but I don't think there's anything yeah, I mean I can do like actual snowball fights instead of doing a snow golem snowball fight. You could actually throw the snowballs at each other and with the fact that snowball is going to stack to 64 now. That should become a little bit more fun. Yeah. It makes it a lot easier when it's 16. It's just like you just run out too quickly. So yes, it's for your entire hotbars stacks of snowballs. Entire inventory is just full of them. So I had to create a creeper comes up to you. Like I've got hit with snowballs with a got nothing else to be inventory. So yeah, but we have dressed up and so make yourself some Christmas skins. Luckily. We have linked who made I think all of us Christmas skins last year. I want to say not mine. Not yours, right because so that was one thing I really wanted to race this season was changing my skin. In for certain occasions, so I made my own Christmas skin before she got to make a skin for me. Okay? Okay, so I need that reminds me. I need to put mine on now now, it's December. I don't need to do this exact same engine record yesterday. Yeah, literally guys, what do you watch my next episode? You'll know when I've changed my skin. You'll know when we're this episode's been recorded because the next clip you'll see is me my skin and I'm not even gonna mention it just gonna change my skin halfway through the episode just not mention it just feel like though, it's fine. Was it this is I need to figure out do I want to use the Skinner's last year, or do I want to update my skin this year? I say that I really shouldn't because that episode that scripted has so many skin changes in it. You don't really want anymore. No, like I think I'm redoing. I like iron armor or chainmail armor to look completely different to get the effect. I want. Yeah. It's like yeah, it's like do I really want to make another skin that I don't need to if this episode never happens towards your Big Tease bam. I am the biggest tease because I keep talking about these books. I'm trying to write which again I haven't put a single page or a single word on a page. It's just basically still in the planning stages. But when I have an idea, it's always a big idea that it's going to take forever. Love it. Love it. I love it too until I realized crap. This is so much work now. I've got to work for this touch Lee happens if you find Fine if I was like a full-time YouTuber I'm talking like this episode would be done in two three days. Yeah, but because I have to go to work work out come home. Just like I'm so tired. I don't want to do this. You just want to sit back and go I just think I did this guy. Yeah. Can I just make the ideas? I don't do things. I just called with ideas and of a people don't ya this is the best way to live. I think they call that executive producer in Hollywood. Yep, just just become an executive least attract guys. I have this idea. Yeah, and I'd like you to run with it come back to me when it's finished. We're gonna be like 40 crew members will see I want to say the last season economy craft. I had an idea for a Batman episode because I was sitting there I was like, I'm Batman like all the time exactly it so I was going to do a battement up so I even had decoy. Ready to write music for it. And then when I was going through the tests some of this the shots and stuff. It wasn't working out correctly. Like it looked really dumb. Yeah, it's always just like we're going to ditch that. It looks so much better in my head. It really did. So that's why I like now. I'm like, all right, if I want to do what I wanted to do for the Batman episode. I need to figure out green screens and stuff and it's like and mainly or and mainly the green screens are so I don't have to build ginormous. It's in Minecraft like redo all the terrain behind it everything like that. I can like here's the front part of this set and then giant green screen behind it. Yeah, that's what they do in Hollywood. Exactly. Just take it from the pros. You know, this is how you make film. That's one of my favorite things. So if I watch a movie in the theaters that I really liked it I buy the Blu-ray or DVD or whatever it is, but I don't buy it for the movie. I buy it. For the behind-the-scenes special features. Yeah, I would much rather have the digital copy if I'm going to buy something. Yeah. Usually the digital copy is more expensive than the DVD which I don't understand because there's no physical media was because they released a digital copy two weeks early. Yeah, so they that's how they get you like. All right, so it have to say exactly but it's like 10 pounds more expensive. No, but it's just a file on a server exactly. I know how this works. Let's doesn't cost that much. I understand technology. Yeah, I'm sure that guy spent all of 10 minutes putting that video up for sale. Yeah, you don't have to make a disc put it on the desk make the art print they are put it all together ship it to a store pay someone to put it on a shelf, you know. Yeah, that guy's just sitting there going. Okay. Here's the MP4 in he's going. Oh that art that's in the DVD. I'm just going to grab the digital copy put that in a file drop the jpeg exactly some guys actually doing that and we're like getting onto him. He's like that's my careers work. You guys are making fun of that kind of energized by making we're not making fun of the job. You do were making fun of the fact that we have to pay $10 more for it. Yeah, let's not leave. It was the same price. That yeah, I could sort of understand but it should really be less. It really should that's just there's Carl's rant for the day guys. That's fine. Yeah, I wasn't plotted on rabbit. But you know that really set me off. I know I mean every time someone gets on the podcast. It's like something takes over in your like I am now an angry person. Yeah now me to rant about this. I swear we're not angry. It's just when the microphone is on I have to destroy something. The ramps I cut out of my episodes guys that you'll never see. It's just the bike the bike that does it. I had this idea for like a little scared. Basically there was an episode of common craft. I was doing something with TNT and which is the worst idea in the world don't ever do it. I think I was trying to do one of those TNT duper's. Yeah. I had to do that for my tree farm. Mmm, and I didn't realize that it has two point. Specific Direction. Yeah, and I only realized this after the first attempt to building it after I've blown it up twice. We'll see how was blowing myself up with it. Luckily. I didn't do that. But yeah, so it's like, oh I should just put like a funny role of this. I like the end of the episodes mind you guys you should always watch the end of my episodes. It doesn't happen a lot. But when there's something stupid or funny I always put it at the very end of the episode. And so yeah, you got to go through the credits and everything. Yeah. I was like I'll do this because I blew up like four or five times. I was like, I just put that together, but the only problem it was just basically me cursing the entire time. I was like, I can't use that I need to get call to bleep all of this for me. Well, this was before we had a Carro so I had to bleep all of it and I was just like that's too much. Yeah, but it would literally just be for a good four minutes the entire clip just replace all the audio with music at this point. I thought about doing that too, but it just makes the outro weird. I just feel like what was this made? I don't understand. This is music and some guy just like blowing himself up. Crazy crazy. Yeah, so we have one more item on our list for Christmas. I live stream days. Yes, which I know hermitcraft are doing to this month. But there's we've well a few hours ago. We said should we do a livestream day. We'll see here's the thing. I've been wanting to mention the livestream day, but I have been purposely waiting for hermitcraft because the last two times we've tried to do a live stream. Day, it's somehow managed to be on the same day as hermit crab in like they're not mentioning that they're going to do a live stream day. We're barely mentioning we're going to do a live stream day. And if somehow they always ended up on the same days, you can say it don'ts the stealing all days. You can sign up. Go ahead. I know we came out like three hours before them and mentioned it. Yeah that it was like oh side. I saved a guy's gotta keep the little guys down. So that should just that there's not a single Of hermitcraft member that's paying attention to us. They do not know who we are exactly the like it would these people what's this podcast? What is it? What what? Yeah, I think that doing those on Sundays though, and we usually do hours on Saturday. So it shouldn't be a problem. Yeah. I wanted to make sure that we kind of knew when they were going to be doing theirs. So we didn't end up doing on the same day again, which yeah, like you said, they're doing theirs on Sunday. So I was really excited about that. Yeah, I think it's the 8th from the 15th. They're doing this. So hopefully we can get a Saturday live-streamed a setup maybe before there's maybe the week after we'll see we need to have some discussions internally about when we can get people available for that but it should happen. Hopefully fingers cross fingers crossed that I think that's kind of it. We went way longer than I thought we were going to add though. Right? I looked at that topic at wed we can Not talk about that for more than 10 minutes guys. This is literally what happens before every podcast. Holy crap how we're going to talk about that for an hour. That's not going to happen. We need to come up with backup topics. Yeah who needs to have stuff sitting in the wings ready to go? We don't have any of that this episode was he this is where the rants come in handy because like when we have a low topic and I feel a rant coming on. I just let it come out. Let's go with that. Yeah, let's just rant. We're so dysfunctional as a podcast but it works. So wow. I'm hoping I'm waiting for the time for someone to join the Discord just to be like you guys stop ranting and talk about Minecraft. Yeah, it's like guys this is a Minecraft podcast. I don't know if you've noticed I would it's in the title. You guys should know what you're doing. I don't even know how to play Minecraft successfully. So Josh is there. I Wing everything guys we've never actually played Minecraft. All those YouTube videos. I've been making for two years. Don't pay attention to those. Yeah, it's not awesome stuff. It's definitely schwabe playing for me and I just talked over his shoulder. We have a team. That's a conspiracy very fun. Yes. I've still some of Marlo's Little Helpers that he used to build a snow globe. I stole one of them and now he's playing Minecraft for me. Yeah. We don't even we don't even have computers. No recording this in my car, if we recall this on tape and that we send it to Anchor by the post. They put it up for us great. Quran. I need to sound effect of just the tape exiting the other role so it's just going to okay. Let's in this because we're over again. Yeah now it's just kids. Yeah. Okay guys, if you like the show you can share it with your And on social media if you listen to us on Spotify hit that follow button and if you listen to us on Apple podcast levers of review doing any of these really helps us reach more listeners, if you'd like to get in contact with the show send an email to podcast that Ripple effects SMP.com tweeters or join our Discord where you can have a chat with everyone else who works on the show and also fellow listeners as well the links there are in the show notes. 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In this episode, DuDs and CarlRyds get into the festive spirit to discuss getting together with friends on your Minecraft world by building a Christmas village and playing fun games together. There's also plenty of news with 1.15 pre-release 3, combat test snapshot 4 and a Tweet from Jasper about Red Nether Vines. aubni's Reworking Bane of Arthropods video: https://youtube.com/watch?v=fRO7nYMOlZU Minecraft 1.15 Pre-release 3 blog post: https://minecraft.net/en-us/article/minecraft-1-15-pre-release-1 Minecraft 1.15 Combat Test Snapshot 4: https://reddit.com/r/Minecraft/comments/e3gt34/ Minecraft 1.16 Red Nether Vines: https://twitter.com/JasperBoerstra/status/1200819275348492290 Podcast Website: http://rippleeffectsmp.com/podcast Contact the show: [email protected] The Withering Effect Discord: https://discord.gg/gqnKyeZ The Ripple Effect Twitter: https://twitter.com/rippleeffectsmp Hosts: DuDs YouTube: https://youtube.com/DuDs_vs DuDs Twitter: https://twitter.com/DuDs_vs DuDs Mixer: https://mixer.com/DuDs_vs CarlRyds YouTube: https://youtube.com/carlryds CarlRyds Twitter: https://twitter.com/carlryds Digital Producer: CarlRyds YouTube: https://youtube.com/carlryds CarlRyds Twitter: https://twitter.com/carlryds Music: DiiKoj YouTube: https://youtube.com/DiiKoj DiiKoj Twitter: https://twitter.com/DiiKoj Podcast hosted by: Anchor.fm

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If you're watching on YouTube right now do us a favor and subscribe on the podcast anywhere that you listen to podcasts just search for Sun solar panel speaking of podcast the no dunks podcast. Formerly the starters Basketball Jones the everyone knows that Frank the Tank made the worst of the week honors for how his voice cracked when he yelled out and one on the court. The other day was like Hey one hilarious if you guys heard that segment. Hey, you leave my nerdy friend alone the namesake of Kaminski Cove. Yeah. I love I've always loved that. I've always loved that segment on that show that the starters the Basketball Jones now, no, don't say they've always been one of the One of the top shows and podcasts at out there and they've there the ogs they started way back in 2006. So always much respect to those guys. Hold on. Hold on great, but they have sponsors so they must be trash. Hey don't ask for money. They're also selling T-shirts to so, you know those bastards bastards shout out to everyone there. So the Cavaliers are ready to start listening to trade offers for Kevin Love. This was reported by whoa, John Friday just a little bit of information on this right now because I think this would be kind of a fun exercise that will do I do have trade machine loaded up Kevin Love 31 years old 20 million dollars a year for years left on his contract. The sons would need to send Tyler John's. Well, okay, assuming for the sake of any argument. We have Tyler Johnson would be included in that would need to send Tyler Johnson & Just under 5 million dollars to make that contract work and some sort of a trade assuming that the sons would all will also have to throw and some draft Capital to make it worth it but starting off but do you guys think that a starting lineup of Ricky Rubio Devin Booker who Bray love and eight really would be a formidable force and the West yeah. Well it certainly makes the playoffs this year if that's it if that's something that you're pushing. That gets it done, I think. Oh, I think that I think the sun's current lineup is a playoff team and I have and Greg. I know you don't agree you're thinking low 30s still but I really think the current lineup is playoff. So but having said that I don't think Kevin Love makes them much better in terms of playoff seeding now their likelihood to win a playoff game could go up and they might win two or three or four more games through the rest of the year. But I mean you're talking already in my opinion a low. Is when team with the current team and the Assumption being that love would take charge's spot and a lot of kaminski's minutes. So your Frontline would be often DeAndre and Aron Baynes and and Kevin Love. That would be a really good fun team to watch Kevin Love is basically a super-sized version of Dario charge. So that's great. He doesn't play defense just like I have in fact, I think Dario's a better Defender than we give them credit for and you have a lot of would Not be as good so there'd be a little bit of concern on that but it would with the sun's be better. Yes, would they get more respect because of the people in the lineup names in the lineup? Yes, could they win more games possibly and would they have a higher seed? Probably not. I think right now the offensive rebounding and their 24th and defensive Brandon rebounding for totally bounding 27th. In the league, there's clearly an issue there. Yes part of that does have to do with the fact that that eight and bands have missed a considerable amount of time. But even that being said Dario even though he has a better Defender he is not exactly a great rebounder Frank kaminsky's not exactly great rebounder and we're having a lot of would bring that to the table and so there is value and getting rebounds. That's essentially an extra possession. Yeah. Well, Look, you're absolutely but a guy doesn't just get rebounds. See here's the thing. There's and you know this better than any of the three of us to him because you play Pick-up ball a lot, but it's not just you can't just have one guy do one thing they have to play the entire game. You got to write mother but a sequence you going to show you how I get it, but there are things that Dario charge. Does that helps a team when he is somebody posted the other day all the plus minus is cumulative for the year and charge. Like third or fourth on the team, you're not for the year plus - you're not losing sarich. He would to me look at you get better rebounding you get a more consistent offensive player at that power forward spot starting and then you improve your bench simply because your shift shifting sarich to the bench now so your bench get better defensively and you're not losing him your why do you think you're doing it happily charge because I don't think you'd have to So in this in this scenario, I don't think I'm tricks that they would wine. I mean the the only reason that the calves would not want charge to replace Kevin Love because okay if charge was in his third year, they would definitely want charge back because he is a young guy on a low deal who could you know, you could sell the fans and also sell the team on his upward mobility and all that. The only problem with storage is that he becomes a free Edge in the summer. He's going to want a little bit more money. Then when he's currently making but he is the perfect guy to slot in to replace Kevin Love and the Cavaliers lineup because you got to look at it from the Cavaliers point of view to they want at least be respectable. You're very few times to be embarrassing like the sons of wanted to be in the last few years. And so they're going to want something back in charge is just 25. He is still in his rookie deal. He does approximately two-thirds of what Kevin Love does and please believe me. I would trade for Kevin Love tomorrow and I would give them darsh Arch and I'll give them Tyler Johnson and I would give my heavily protected first-round pick and I'll give Melia Kobo so they have somebody who can actually pass the ball playing in their backcourt and Cobo probably would look like a giant compared to their starting backcourt right now with garlanded Sexton. I would do all that in a heartbeat. I'm not saying I'm not suggesting. Otherwise, I'm just saying the Dario is a mini version of Kevin Love. And that's the kind of guy of want back if I The Cavs I imagine those end of the quarter lineups that Monte rolls out that just have zero offense to them. I mean, there's just nobody that can score on their own and those lineups and they don't have a point guard out there that can create shots for others really at this point how good Kevin Love would be in those situational and imagine imagine Kevin Love playing with Ricky Rubio again, I mean when Kevin Love was considered a top 10 player, he's not anymore. More but when he was considered a top 10 player was when he was playing with Ricky Rubio and they were actually both Playmakers because love would do it off the elbow and Ricky obviously doesn't his way that we've been watching the last 20 some games. We get a lot more Play Making Love would have a chance to go back to his best role and I think I think it would be fun to watch for sure. All I'm saying is I don't think that gets him a high seed doesn't make him a contender anything that no, no. Not right now for sure. I mean what the only thing that's going to make this team of contender and let's be honest is is D'Andre eating turning into a star in this league. That's that's what we'll turn this team into a contender in the long run because Booker needs that guy next to him and you're just not going to acquire him in free agency or trade you need DeAndre and to become that guy that is the only way this roster becomes a championship contender in the next. For five years is D'Andre baton taking that step. I don't care who you acquire. You're not going to you're not going to be able to acquire somebody that's going to put you in that Echelon, but that would certainly set you up for if DeAndre and does take that jump that that you would have a roster around those guys that could contend. I think that's what you're looking at in that and it solves at least for the short term the the question of Who is the power forward on this team which we've known as been a gaping hole for the last few years. So well, I just I want you guys to imagine Ricky Rubio with a horn set and Kevin Love picking popping DeAndre and rolling to the basket and Kelly Ray as well as Devin Booker out there on the corners. Oh, I know be so fun to watch. Well, then you have then you have Baines. And coming off the bench charger Kaminsky as the backup for whoever is still with your roster depending on how the trade goes down. All of a sudden everything looks a little bit better in that, you know the capital of at the elbow passing to Devin Booker when he's cutting just oh shit, it would be nice. Okay. So let's uh, let's talk. I'm I think we're all about it at all though. Dave does bring up some great points that so when make them a contender contender, I do have the trade machine fired up. There's one thing we need to talk about in a dress because it is the elephant in the room when it comes to the need for Aaron Gordon on this team. Well, it's the it's the injuries, right? How concerned are you that Kevin Love is just going to be another in the long line of guys like, you know, like Penny Hardaway and Danny Manning guys that you acquire that are at the tail end of their their Prime that I wanted to become a you know, Tom gugliotta got guys that wind up becoming more question marks than answers because of injuries and other factors or sure. There's that started with that was Kevin Love because that seems to be why most people say no way you can't get Kevin Love. He's broken down and he's not he's not. Let's be honest. Let's be honest. I'd rather have a healthy da Richard and Frank Kaminsky then an injured Kevin Love. Yeah. Thank you very much. I know you're all will kidding. No, but I mean, you know and you could argue if you had a fully actualized REO sarich. You would need to acquire Kevin Love, but we're not at that point with was sorry. So I'm not overly concerned because you're going to the only way this team is going to get better is by taking a chance on someone that has some question mark at either at power forward. I mean, Aaron Gordon has his own question marks and an injury history Blake. Griffin's another name you've heard that's another guy that has all sorts of of injury histories. You're not going to get the perfect guy there. You're going to have to take somebody with some kind of question mark and I guess it I guess what it comes down to is is Kevin Love's question mark the one you want. You want to roll the dice on and how much would be worth it to send off right? Well, it's too bad that we can't just rent we'd like to Figure out if we like him. Can we because 90 million 91 million dollars as Christian Phoenix pointed out here on Twitter 91 million dollars after this season is what you owe him and he'll be 32 33 34 in the next few see Ah that's going to be rough. So can we do one of those rent-to-own programs? That would be great. Hi interests. You gotta you gotta pay the Cavs a lot extra Lobby. 40% of NBA rosters changed every year so, you know, the the the point of you can never trade a guy after you get him. I just don't necessarily agree with the sons could retrain him. That's for sure. So assuming that the sun's can we are we all in agreement that the sons would be sending Tyler Johnson and this deal. Yeah. Well you have to that's the only with the salaries work. Wow, we do agree could send Devon Deborah Kerr. Yeah. Yeah, okay. So yes Tyler Johnson just going to going to Cleveland. Yeah, I suppose you could send Ricky Rubio and a couple of other players to all right, so who would be who would be the one player that you would assume that the Cavaliers would definitely say we want on top of Tyler Johnson is expiring contract. Well, are we thinking in ago they going to want or who are they going to occur? Except yeah, except would this not would they they probably want cam Johnson with the sun's be willing to trade with the cam Johnson. No, but I think Mikhail Bridges is another name that intrigues a lot of people and I wonder if that's a piece that there will there they're willing to move in if the right name comes about I don't think Kevin Love's probably that guy, but I certainly think that's a name that's going to Intrigue teams. Will the sun's come to the trade table and with Cam Johnson's emergence. It may be somebody that they are a little bit more comfortable moving for the right person. I think definitely mikal Bridges is the guy although he hasn't been playing as well. So it would have to take a Savvy GM to want him. He's he doesn't have the little flashy quickie stats offensively. That's for sure, but I can definitely see a Savage am wanting mikkel Bridges as as a make-or-break guy to sued for sure. So probably Evelyn will want him because they don't have FEG that that trade worry that trade works. By the way, you probably have to throw in protected first-round pick how heavy with the Suns have or how light would they have to go on that protected pick if it was Tyler Johnson and Michelle Bridges not I think you could protect it. It was very hectic. Yeah, like what's very heavily was that mean something that almost certainly become second round pick or nothing at all, if Um, if the sun, yeah, it's something that almost certainly becomes second-round picks in the future unless the Suns win a championship. Look I can then it becomes a late first like it's got to be like a top 20 top 25 protected leaf or something like that. Look what I do is I offer I cover the table. You can have Tyler Johnson Frank Kaminsky and I'll give you my pick next year that's top five protected and not five. Yeah. Oh my god. Do you really need to Dad, listen, do you really need to add another another young guy to this mix? They're already the youngest team in the NBA. They destroyed that they can move on from other young guys. They already have always got to say we're willing to trade actual draft assets for players like they're happy. Talking about a guy who has injury history and is owed 90 million dollars three years after this stick right after nausea skills that they need look and and for me what this comes down to is, would you rather have Mikhail Bridges long-term or or roll? The dice on another guy you're going to you're going to draft Mikael is a known quantity. We all agree as a high ceiling, but I would not also give a first round pick I said Frank Ski, not McHale in it. I said I said Tyler Johnson Frank Kaminsky and a top-five protected pick and what would other teams be willing to give to because that's a thing of the sun's want to get them in. There's other teams bidding the Suns have to outbid right? So they have today after come with an offer that works that is better than what other teams are willing. Assuming. Everybody's been given the same deadline and they're all making the yeah fits the trade deadline. Yes, you have to outbid your competition. Sometimes it's just a matter of who you called at the right time too because some of these Trades happen in other GM's are like what the hell, you know and KP was traded last year. Nobody knew he was even on the market. So or that they were willing to accept deals yet. You know, I think they knew it was on the market. But well, here's another name that came up this week and it's not on the show sheet. So I apologize guys, but Lori Martin and his name was was mentioned. This week is potentially not being with the bulls any longer. Is that something that intrigued I would more because he's younger give up almost. More for Kelly. Yeah for Lori marketing really see I wouldn't and and okay. So Iverson Vlogs in the chat says and I've seen this a lot on Twitter as well go get dark Danilo Gallinari rather than Kevin Love and my aunt my my response to that is no because you're getting the same kind of guy with no with no guarantee. He's going to be here Beyond this year. I don't think That that's what you're looking for. If you're going to make a move here is just getting a guy that's going to you know, plug a hole for the remainder of the year. You need to get an answer. That's this year next year the year after in this. I don't think Danilo Gallinari for six months and renting him is what what you're looking to do. I would do that though see Greg, I would I would do Danilo Gallinari as long as you're not given up too many assets because he's in a he's an expiring Okay, is it was yeah, if it was just time she's inspiring. I am pretty sure that Danilo Gallinari is an expired. Okay. Well, that's the case and that's the rental you'd always want. That's perfect. I would get if if they're just like sure will take Tyler Johnson and nothing back for for Gallinari you do it but that's not the way it's going to work. It's not going to work either. Yeah. Hey, I'll give you a bunch of trash. Can I have that useful piece you got over there? Sorry, I didn't sorry L is salary Tides were no I think you I think you've just blown the minds of 95% of NBA fans. Okay. So going off the rails a little bit figured out though that the sons is long as they include a player that's making as much as mykel Bridges and to this they the the trade works from a contractual standpoint from a monetary standpoint. So your options here being McHale. Bridges Frank Kaminsky Dario sharukh and cam Johnson right of those players which one is most likely that the sons would have to include in order for this trade to happen. Not what we would want them to but what they would have to include in order to make this trade happen. I think it would probably have to be Bridges you might be able to talk them into storage like Dave was talking about earlier depending on how to draft that's better. Yeah. Yeah, you're going to have to have a draft asset if that's the case, but I think I think Mikhail is going to be what what they want as the sweetener in a deal would be you Tyler Johnson McHale. And and then in that case you get a highly protected pick in there. I don't I that may be too rich for for James Jones has blood I don't know. I don't know where he stands on mikkel. I could never get quite a read. We always heard. You know now and I've heard from people that that Mikhail was a server pick, obviously it was Che guilders Alexander that the front office will general manager Ryan McDonald wanted but I don't know where James Jones stood on it. I don't know if Robert wanted McHale because James Jones wanted Mikhail. I don't know what that is. I've heard different variations of of why he wanted. So, I don't know if James Jones is necessarily attached to Mikhail Bridges and maybe he would be willing to move on then somebody in the chat and forgive me. I don't remember who was also brought up James Jones and Kevin Love have a great relationship from from their time together with the Cavs when they won. Yeah, they were really they were close friends. There was a lot of those guys that were close friends and cast for sure, but you know what I was thinking about that that doesn't mean you trade for your friend. I mean being a As friend sometimes tells you this isn't the guy that fits on this team because you know him so well exactly that yeah don't make assumptions of just because they like each other means they'll that one will trade for the other but it means he has everything he needs to know about Kevin Love to decide if he's willing to give up a little bit more than somebody else might be because he I mean he knows him. He's been to battle with him. He can basically tell you the what what he'll be able to Polish plus he's got Ricky Rubio who spent years and years with him as well. So if there's ever a team that knows everything they need to about Kevin Love to go all in on him. It's the sun's and if they don't if they don't make offers for him that speaks volumes to me as well about about Kevin Love will learn a lot if the sun's completely sit out on Kevin Love. Yeah. Now I completely completely and utterly agree cool. So the other thing is that can we talk just let's that's one more angle on this. What are the things that failed the sun's back in 2014 was taking some early success and trying to turn that into a media contention and James Jones did a really good job this past summer of saying the sun's up for the future as well as the present. The president was supposed to be raising the floor and a stepping stone, which they're currently doing and then, you know, just growing from there because the core is Aiden and Bank Aiden and Sorry, not even Baines but a tanning and Booker and then just seeing what happens organically and saying themselves up to have all their money in the summer of 2021. If you 30 games in 40 games in whatever it is suddenly drop everything and go after a Kevin Love. You're saying this is my core. I'm not going to have any Financial flexibility. I'm going to have to make trays which James Jones doesn't love doing at least he said he doesn't love doing maybe starts. Liking them now, but you know, it makes it a lot less flexible for you in the future if you drop everything and suddenly you're a now now now team. Yeah, but this is different than that 48 win team. No because if you look at that, it was Goring and Bledsoe was the core there and then you had Gerald Green and Miles Plumlee like we were talking about guys playing so far over their heads and when you look at this roster, you have two young pieces that everybody feels Like well, I won't say everybody when it comes to eating but many people feel like can be cornerstones for you. I solid point guard like this is a balanced roster and you'd be making a move for a position. You need not a third point guard with the way they went quote-unquote all in with it. So I think I understand the hesitation but I don't think this is this is the same kind of situation when you look at the pieces that are here and and the way this is laid. A doubt this would just be James Jones going. All right. Well this team has taken steps to raise that floor further than we thought and I think we can take that next step in season rather than waiting for the offseason. Also. This is the Suns have to clear holes and their roster and that is power forward and backup point guard this fills that which I do think makes it a little bit different and also Kevin Love Don't forget can play the five and you can have a sharp edge out there. With love and but I think your point Greg at the sun sit this one out with all of the knowledge that they have on Kevin Love that that is the biggest Telltale sign and everything. We need to know about it a day right side night coming out. 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We finally got the site launched that collects donations. It took a little bit longer than anyone thought this year because it people get busy but finally got that site launched. It is Sons.com bright side. Yes. That's Sons.com / bright side Sons.com / bright side and all it takes is nine dollars to send to kids to a game how incredible of a deal is that we do this every year last year. We got 3,300 kids sent to a game. That was pretty awesome this year the sun's because they were laid on getting the site up for donations. The sons are just immediately matching. All donations and these are $9 seats in the upper deck that we're getting for kids. So they actually it works out to two tickets for only nine dollars and I really I mean there's nothing better. Nothing better that you could possibly do. In fact, I calculated it out that we could fill up the entire Arena if everybody reads bright side each day one day's worth of readers donated nine dollars. We can fill up the entire Arena now, of course every year that isn't what happened. Most people ignore that the least read articles on my side or the ones pimping for donations for these tickets. It's because people don't like to give away their money, but you know what you buy Starbucks for you and your you and your buddy or you and your girlfriend or whatever it is. Guess what you could have you could have changed the lives of a couple of kids bright side night is great because kids get to go to a Suns game and experience an NBA game for the very first time and I remember my first NBA game remember almost every NBA game of ever been to because they're It's so fun. It's a such a different experience than these kids will ever get in their young lives. And that's what I'm trying to do. I'm trying to give back to our community. I'm trying to give back to the Phoenix community that has supported me and supported the sun's for 40 years. We're creating a new generation of son's fans with with these giveaways and all I need is a few of your dollars you guys donate to all kinds of stuff you donate your you donate everything because you donate It's here and there and you donate actually to retail stores to buy stuff that you're going to consume in about five minutes. And then then never never see your money again. How about give it to a couple of kids nine dollars for half the cost of a Starbucks cup of coffee. You can send two children to Phoenix Suns game. And for the first time in years of bright side night. It's no longer torturing them. It's actually going to give them great enjoyment to see a good ball team play a game that that we all love. I highly recommend donating to Bright Side night. I don't she'll for day very often or at all. But in this case, I suggest we know you're always people are always trying to get us to stop fighting on Twitter because you're such an asshole. I love it. They think it's real to guess what Dave and I would not sit here for as many hours as we have doing the show if we actually hated each other we I'm sorry to blow that illusion. But please donate the bright side night find it in your heart it because I actually, you know, I remember to this day being a nine-year-old and getting to go to my first son's game and and sitting in that upper deck and just thinking that it it was the greatest thing in the world to get a chance to be in that building that I had listened to Al McCoy described and watched on UPN or actually back then it Probably would have been just a channel 45. I don't even think they had an affiliation. Oh, yeah, I remember channel 45 Channel 9. Yeah, I mean so it'll mean something to these kids and that nine dollars and whatever you probably spend would not mean that much to you. So I definitely you're not even if you're not even gonna miss the nine dollars, you're not even going to miss it and you know, what else let's talk about what you get out of this stuff. All right, if you if you actually donate 10 tickets 90 bucks that actually becomes 20 kids going to a game and you'll get your own pair of tickets to the game that you would have spent 90 bucks to get anyway. If you do and you get invited to a pregame interview session with James Jones that nobody else gets to have well, I hope it's James Jones is here. We haven't gotten a confirmation. It'll be somebody from the sun's front office and for years, we've had the GM or assistant GM each time. Give me Trevor bucks doing fine. Yeah. Well, why not sure I would love to have trouble. Jeff Bauer anybody, you know, it would be fun. It would be really fun. And that's all you got to do. All you got to do is donate a little bit of money. And if you give give just a little bit of money you get kids changing their lives. If you don't a little bit more money you get stuff for yourself tickets to the game free access to the GM. I mean, come on, what's better than that and look at that for 200. Well Don then put 25 tickets which turns into 50 kids for 225 bucks. Will even will if you can make it to the game will give you the lower level tickets to the game and will honor you pregame on the court with a big announcement for everybody a cheer and recognize how many kids that you guys helped donate and get to Bright Side night. Look guys. I'm going to put my money where my mouth is. I'm going to take what I my share of of our earnings from this this last month and I'm going to I'm going to donate at what is that 11 tickets? I think I'm going to throw in a little my own cash. There I think I'm gonna donate 11 tickets to this guy's just because that's how much I want to immediately because the sons are matching. So I'd so let's let's do that. Let's get out there. Let's help these kids have a memory that they won't soon. Forget Dave one one. Is that date? Who are these kids going to get to see and one is it? Yeah, so the game is very similar to last year. Actually the sons played the Kings on bright side night last year. They're doing that again this year. It is against the Kings. It's on January 7th. Only one day off from last year too. And that will be against Marvin Bagley should be back de'aaron Fox should be back. Hopefully, you know DeAndre and I'll be back unless he's been suspended for something else or is injured but everybody should be available for that game. That is Son's against the Kings on Tuesday January 7th. So this is a really fast track thing now, I do have to say that I'm hugely impressed with folks. So you guys are so used to this a lot of you have already donated. I only posted the started collecting two days ago two and a half days ago and we're up over fifteen hundred tickets donated already, but I want to get over 3000 we did three thousand like we 3,300 last year. I want to top that of possible. Well, like I said, we could fill up an entire Arena of everybody just donates a little bit. So let's go for this. Thank you Greg. I'm going to turn around my solar flares money as well solar. Sorry money as well and donate that to the kids. So we're it's going to add up and I know Tim's going to do something like that as well. He hasn't spoken up yet, but we're going to twist his arm and and twist whatever it takes to get him. He's gonna donate his run with the segment. He's going to donate his glasses money for December to the kids in need. Let's make this happen. So we will talk about it on future episodes all the way leading up to it is a wonderful way that you can send an underprivileged child to a basketball game. When I was in Orlando this last week thing the sun's lose by 20 to the magic. There was a large group of boys and girls club kids that were there. And it totally reminded me of what you put on Dave and it was just an amazing thing to see all these kids at the game. You could tell it mattered to them. They don't get to go do the sort of thing very often sporting events are really expensive and these are underprivileged kids that do not get to do stuff like this. It's it's important. So please donate if you can't nine bucks gets two kids to a game. All right, you guys want to do the stat of the week? Sure. All right do it the the plus/minus totals for the season Dave was talking about this earlier. We are going to go in terms. We're going to go backwards Tyler Johnson so far this season plus minus minus 79 points. That's worse on the team. Cam Johnson. Yeah, let's not wait. Let's talk about context really quick on plus minus plus minus individually is a very dirty stat. It all depends on where you know who you're playing with at the time you were playing blah blah blah blah blah, but after 20 games accumulative plus As a viewer of all the different lineups you've been in and and what kind of impact you've had on the game deck starts to mean a little bit. I think a little more than an individual game or a week or whatever. This is two and a half months of plus minus. So Tim's going backwards on it. And so worst to best and it is very telling and I think it does pass the eye test. The Tyler Johnson has had the most the least amount of success will say that well, Turn it to a positive the least amount of success in a son's uniform this year. All right, cam Johnson next - 28 in his time as a rookie. That's to be expected because rookies don't know how to make winning plays tied Jerome - 18 saying that's interesting tied to Rome's is cumulative. He's only played three games. Whereas these other guys who played 18 to 21 games. That's actually not very good for Thai Jerome at all. yep, Frank Kaminsky - 16 Yeah passes the eye test. It doesn't rank that looks like somebody always kicked his dog. Well, I also with the Frank Kaminsky I look I just don't think it's fair that he is out there playing the starting center position honestly, so he's playing out of position for shy out of position and he's probably shouldn't be in the starting lineup. Right? No definitely shouldn't be in the starting lineup and nobody thought he ever ever would be so I mean he's doing what he can but the way somebody said I look like Kaminsky and I don't see it. I think they saw a white guy with beard and and it just rolled with it. It's funny. They wouldn't even have a beard Dave. What did your girlfriend say about Frank Kaminsky? Yeah. He is the way he reacts to whatever play happens. He looks like he's never been good enough like oh shoulders always look slumped in his face always looks slack. Maybe that's what they were referring to. She's a guy that looks too. Oppressed yes, I fall into that category. I know your music selection shakka Diallo negative one. That's actually pretty good considering all these other guys are basically bench guys, check the aloe being one of the better ones on among those units because you know, you are who with sometimes like I said, this is a cumulative stat over the course of the year to interesting to see how Guys shake out Scheck. Out and check is actually done pretty well with a -1 cumulative over the course of the year. I've been really impressed with which affect yellow but our IP after that poster dump that happened the hey at least he was willing to get in there. Yeah. I never I never give anybody a hard time forgetting forgetting dunked on because to Dave's point. It's a lot of guys just move to the side. So except Brandon Knight. We always would give him crap. You're done with that. He's been under Jordan that would require caring. No, he doesn't Miguel Bridges. He is a net zero and that is actually pretty good again. Just like check the aloe mikkel and check have had a pretty good impact off the off the bench. I think that's that's a good sign. And that's just at that shows you Mikhail bridges does the little things and it doesn't always show up and in the regular stat line, but that's that shows you what he's what he's accomplishing out there. Devon Carter positive 13 Devon Carter's mom is these cheering right now because that's another case of a guy coming off the bench and having a positive impact. That's good. That's funny rip Ford and YouTube chat said go after Anthony Davidson said of Kevin Love obvious. Why not? Yeah, LeBron to throw that in there, too. Does that good sign it isn't it is interesting though. I will point out that among the starters this year Kelly oubre is down at the bottom of this list. I can tell you re also though, I believe I mean if you don't include Frank without without having it the the lineups in front of me from an eye test of memory I test I believe that Kelly Ray is also the starter that is out there the most or at least first with those all bench lineups. He seems to be the one that Monty spend a lot of time with the bench lineups as their score. Absolutely. You're right. So that does bring him back a little bit. Bring them down a little bit DeAndre Aiden positive 25 inches one game one game and that is encouraging it matches. The number of games. He's been so offended for so why not? Let me just make a comment. It's been so long since we've seen DeAndre Aidan. It's like it is a little difficult to remember what how he plays And yet when you watch check the aloe and you see some of the touch the check has around the basket and his touch shots is feel it feels so much nicer to watch than a Francoeur Dario trying to make a layup DeAndre Jordan has that kind of better feel actually then check the aloe and it's just going to be so nice when you actually have somebody in a more actualized version of a pick-and-roll roller and guy who's got the touch around the basket who can score how much our offense is going to be so much more efficient. It's going to be fun to watch so whenever you are happy about check the aloe think about DeAndre and because that's the kind of especially offensively that's the kind of impact. He's going to have Devin Booker a positive 36. No surprise. They thought he was a guy who can't win. Also Devin Booker. He has six 30 point games this year member they said, oh the more he scores the less the sun's can Wendy doesn't impact winning blah blah blah. It's under five and one with Devin Booker scores 30 plus This year. Thank you very much. Do you want I mean basically what encapsulate everything about Devin Booker is they win in New Orleans the other night, right? He has 44 and I great stat line and ESPN gives their stat line of the night to freaking Lonzo ball in that game and says, well he didn't get the win but he had a great line and it's like the guy who got the win had a better long time in the ultimate slap because that was the reason they wouldn't put Booker up there is because he Didn't get the wins. Yeah, it's just ridiculous. Elia Kobo a positive 41. This shocked me. This is the most shocking number on this entire list Elia Kobo by far is the most impactful non-starter positive on the scoreboard of anybody this year and he has looked fairly good. I mean, I think you don't want to over expose the guy with too many minutes, but he's Looks fairly good. He's made some shots. He's making forty percent of his threes this year. He's only shooting 40% from the floor somehow. I don't know how he's only shooting 40% from the fork is it seems like he makes every single layup and he shoots threes and that's all I've ever seen. So I think he's he's actually played pretty well this year and he's got he's also has a 38 to for assist to turnover numbers this year cumulatively. So I think that's that's really nice to see it's it's interesting too because this was a guy that the only reason he's on the roster because he had a guaranteed contract so and they couldn't find a trade partner for him from everything. We've heard that that seems to be the reason he's on the roster and better he plays the more chance. He could be included as that trait sweetener. I love it. I agree and I mean I've been impressed because the a guy like that could easily just fold and go. Well, you know what this team doesn't want me and I'm just going to earn my check but he's he's growing and he's doing things that we didn't expect so Props. All right. Third best on the team. Is it Dario Shari chat a well second and third Dario storage. And Aron Baynes are both tied for a positive 44. I thought you were going to say that somehow Ricky Rubio was a was three and two on the list. He's been that good but well charge it has done his +44 cumulative and almost twice as many minutes as bein. So we still want to rank beans as the second-best. So it's in the right order there Tim charge though. You got to you got to give him props man. The guy does not fill up the stat sheet and he's perfectly okay with that but he has a positive impact on the game and you need guys like that in your lineups. Yeah, not not a surprise to me at all and they also rates rebounder on the team this year on one of the League's worst rebounding teams, but at least he's trying and the great overpay of the Goes to Ricky Rubio who is a positive 76 is there the season anything that was a dumber take from this summer then that that Ricky Rubio somehow was overpaid for what he's been able to do in the impact and and those of us that we're looking at it were saying this is exactly what he was going to do for this deal. What's even scarier about this is that ESPN build that worst signing of the summer? Summer as a collection of anonymous votes by NBA front office personnel, which is insane. It's not even bloggers. It's not even media people. It's not even those shiny shiny diamonds, you know shiny things people. It's supposed to be these GM's. Well, you know what? I have to question the sources of these of these ESPN guys then because those can't be very good front office people if they literally thought Ricky Rubio adding a point guard. Team desperate for a point guard was the worst signing of the summer. He was look let's recap Ricky Rubio is about the 19th highest-paid point guard in the league and he's one is definitely better than that as far as value to a team and he's always been very good. He's eighth season. He's been around he's been around how can you possibly think he was the worst signing of this of the offseason? I think they have terrible sources or they're lying. I don't know what it is, but that's the scariest part about that entire. ER were signing the offseason thing that was supposed to be MBA front office Personnel. Look, do you really think that MBA GM's are sitting there filling out surveys that ESPN's asked him to they probably handed it to some in Kern in their in their Department to do that stuff. Right? Right, right, but still the they still should have Collective group think of pot of knowing how to sign smart NBA players and good NBA players. That is I just I'm my mind is blown. Well, let's be fair. I think you overrate the intelligence of some MBA general managers. When you look at the mess that the Knicks are and other teams in this league. I don't think it is as simple as that, but what at Ricky Rubio has been spectacular and the the numbers back that up it we're not just being homers when it comes to Ricky Rubio in the past the other night in New Orleans and over time that he had. I still don't know how I pulled that off you fake the cameraman even in that so well in that entire over time, he just dominated the entire overtime is so it was really fun to watch my it still will remain one of my favorite worst takes of the summer was Ricky Rubio being an overpay when he is the 17th highest starting paid point guard in the NBA. Just don't come at me with the him being with the 17th highest paid starting point guard is not an over pay at 17. It's Than average pay right that whole thing is bothering me all your all your all so that was an absolutely not no repay. And he was making 15 million with the jazz on his on his first free agent deal, you know that after his rookie contract. So it's not like you got a huge jump either like Cory Joseph and other guys like that who are well over paper in and clean did a really good job on bright side of the sun.com yesterday where he analyzed the other free. Agent rookie deals and how they're doing this year and they're not doing well, you know, let's newsflash. Those guys are not doing as well as they as everyone thought they would yet. Ricky Rubio is out playing even when you signed for into Tim's point. That wasn't even an overpaid. Just go look at you all you guys just go look at his replacement in Utah and then tell me that Ricky Rubio wasn't for twice the money. Yeah exactly on these making twice the money. It was 100 and guess what? Rachel is not looking as good this year. Is it possible Ricky Rubio? Held Donovan Mitchell look better because now Devin Booker is looking better next to Ricky Rubio. Hey watching on YouTube right now. Just a favorite that thumbs up button. It really does help the show out. Thank you guys so much you get you a shirt. That just says that Tim. Yeah, that's right. You guys could do it every once in a while. That would also work. Well, yeah, you know hitting that thumbs up button is grayed. Make sure you guys do that. And if you're watching no matter when you're watching this could be days weeks later still hit that thumbs up. Okay, it always still matters to him could use an ego boost. So please hit that thumbs up it says occur. See the keep them afloat every week. It's for me. It's not for the YouTube algorithm. It's not listen. So there has been closing this out two segments of the show. We got go a little bit quicker through this and we were going to but there has been some pretty big changes when it comes to the backup starting point guard rotation with the Phoenix Suns. I'm just going to list these players out really quickly. Give me like a minute and a half here to throw a whole lot of stats and numbers that you guys tied Rome this season three point seven points four assists 2.3 steals Devon Carter. 4.1 points 1 Point 9 assists point nine steals per game Elia Kobo four point two points 2.5 assist point three steals. Tyler Johnson six point nine point zero point three a says pointing three steals. Yes. We just went over the plus minus. So you guys have all that information there as well. The sun's averse the maps November 29th. Tyler Johnson played 15 minutes L. EcoBoost played 13 minutes. Javon Carter was a dnp tied to Rome was still not available to play the sun's first the Hornets December 2nd. Jerome inserted into that lineup. He played 12 minutes. Javon Carter got nine Tyler Johnson and Elia Kobo were both D NP s then against the magic you there was a lot of garbage time like an entire quarter of garbage. I'm in this game. But Ty Jerome 18 minutes Carter 18 minutes Elia Kobo, four minutes. Tyler Johnson another dnp. The sun's versus Pelicans tied Rome 9 Minutes Elia Kobo to with Tyler Johnson and car both getting dmps on That game what is up with the backup point guard rotation? And is Monty doing the right thing Auntie's trying to figure out what is backup point guard rotation is when you get tied Jerome back in the back of the mix after coming back from injuries got to figure out how to work him in what the minutes are and I think it's going to going to be situational sometimes I think Javon Carter gives you a obviously a little bit more defensively I would I would Only love to just see them roll with with some combination of Ty Jerome and Elliot Kobo to just understand what you have with those guys tied. Jerome is probably the closest thing you have on the roster to being able to do similar things obviously not as well but similar things to what Ricky Rubio does. So if he can if he can continue to grow Blossom as he as he gets these minutes. He probably makes it the easiest transition. When you go from Ricky Rubio do a backup point guard and I just I dry Delia Kobo out until and until he either proves that this was a fluke of a start or that this is who he is and give him minutes. I just we've seen what drove on Carter's going to be. We know what Tyler Johnson is and that he's not going to be a long-term part of the future of this team. So so I dried it out with those guys, honestly, you know, I'm really disappointed. I'm really Really disappointed in Tyler Johnson's impact on the game. I know the guys playing hard. He's trying hard. There's never been an effort question on his effort and his voice and his his demeanor and all that as part of the team as a vocal part of the team has been extremely good for the sun's I'm just disappointed that he hasn't had a better impact on the games because he is instill in my mind the best the ideal third guard on this team. He just hasn't played. I'd like it and so he's forcing money to do different things. But man they're already relying a lot on cam Johnson and you could just tell Cam is doing the best. He possibly can be still as a rookie. He doesn't know. I mean, he's almost play as many games already this year Kim as he played last year at UNC. I mean, it's not it's he's going to hit a wall pretty soon. And so what I'm why I'm saying that is because if you play Ty Jerome too much, then you got to Ricky's in your lineup in part of the problem for the sun's this past week since tied. Rome has been inserted is that now they're playing two rookies into second year man a lot in that second in that backup rotation. And that's just too many kids. I really think I really wish Tyler Johnson was playing better and he may end up back in that rotation after a little bit of time to figure out where he fits but Tyler Johnson is not a great passer and that could be part of the problem where the sun's offense just bogs down because they're used to Ricky running the show and you're right Greg the Thai Jerome might be the best. Best replacement for Ricky on the team as far as a passer for sure. It is funny that none of us are including Elia Kobo as a guy who must play even though he's got the best plus minus of all of them and he's been playing very well. I think we're all kind of out on Elia Kobo and we're hoping tie Jerome becomes, you know, the guy who who is dad thinks he should be in the NBA because I think it's so funny. Every time I see charge Roman accorded looks like some dude you pulled out of the stands and gave it to you know, Warm. They just Cooks everybody on the court I think is great. But it looks like some guy you just gave you uniform to and and it's just interesting. It's really interesting and Greg. I think you summed it up. None of them are really good enough to be a really good backup point guard right now so we can only hope one of them starts playing better and more consistently. Well the thing I mean you bring up youth the thing is three out of your four options are going to be that it's either, you know, a first year or second year guy. And Jerome a Kobo and and Carter. So you've got a you have to pick your poison with that and tie Jerome are not tied Roma at Tyler Johnson is gonna be freezing his ass off and Cleveland soon enough. So he's not going to be an option. So we'll see somebody in the chat. And again, I apologize it was earlier and I don't remember who brought up the fact if you pick up a player or if you acquire a player like a Kevin Love It Could ease the necessity to have a Playmaking point guard on that second unit depending on how you stagger the lineup. He's Kevin Love is such a good passer as well. So that could help too. But there's Monty Williams is doing the right thing right now because he has to try to figure out what he has in this group and since tie Jerome didn't start the season that that's part of this. He's got a he's got to figure it out on the Fly and that's what he's doing as he been too aggressive. With the Tyler Johnson dnp. Clearly in exchange for Thai Jerome. Well, I think it's I you've got to try tie Jerome out and he's got to take somebody's minutes so I could see why Monty did that I'd all of us won all of us look all of us just want better play and so my knees trying for the same thing and he's looking and mixing and matching to see which combinations of players are good and they do have some analytics and they can tell that Tyler Johnson has had the Impact on the team this year. It's not Tyler's fault necessarily. He's just not having his not fitting perfectly with this team. And so maybe that'll change and hopefully it will change but yeah is money being too aggressive. You got to try all the guys on your roster. If you never try a guy then you're always going to second-guess you second-guess yourself to see if maybe that guy was going to be better and he really really likes Thai Jerome clearly. So I Jerome had a great preseason. Hey if this If this team were on a 5 and 2 7 and 4 run right now and he was doing this. I would probably lean towards too aggressive, but they have struggled lately. So you have to be aggressive in trying to figure out ways to rectify that and I think that's what he's doing. He realizes that that second unit needs some kind of stabling force at point guard and then he's trying to figure out how that will look and he's trying to get that figured out. So when One DeAndre and comes back and you have another seismic shift with your with your bench unit by adding, you know, Kaminsky and Baines back in there when he's when he's not injured that all of a sudden you have at least have that point guard portion of it of it figured out and how you're going to utilize it right and finishing off the episode with Espo's donkey Award of the week quick reminder. This is in honor. Honor of neat Duncan being a never mind. I'm not going to use that phrase but we've named it in honor of him since he's blocked us all we can't see his horrible takes so we find other people on Twitter who have horrible Sons takes in honor of Nate Duncan this week. It's @j boss. I think it's boss. It's be osse and he says in a conversation about DeAndre and the guy is a bust. Hence why he's currently in a halfway house for drugs. Well, Okay, okay. Okay. Okay, at least early at nearly every player. Is taking something that enhances their game and DeAndre is the guy that got caught and it's shitty and he shouldn't have been doing it. But we have to stop pretending that nobody else is right. What I am what I am was unaware of is how strict this MBA policy is that players that are suspended have to move into a halfway house. I wasn't aware of this but I wish But you did for me because that would certainly stopped a lot of this. I mean, could you imagine if LeBron got busted for it and had to leave his Palacios Mansion to live in a halfway house. I mean that makes it makes it pretty clear that you don't want to do it. So yeah, I think Tim's Tim's made a really good point at that. These guys are all taking something. They're just not let's say uninformed. They're not uninformed about this EV a policy that list specific drugs that will be tested for I mean the CBA policy collective bargaining agreement is is clear on exactly which things that they're going to test for. All you got to do is pick something else. So DeAndre and is just the one who was less informed than he should have been we'll call it that so JBoss enjoy your donkey award will not be mailing it to you halfway house for drugs. We don't even know what drugs he was taking. We don't even know if you did this or well we're yeah. Well, we're pretty sure that it wasn't steroids because to Is don't flush out with a diuretic like that. Could it have been some recreational drug that he was having too much fun with right before training camp possibly could it have been something that was just supposed to enhance his performance possibly or could it simply be that he was trying to lose some weight before training camp. We don't know what we do know is that whatever appeal they tried to file has not been successful because now down to six games left out of 25. So he clearly did know was not able to prove that. He didn't know what he was doing. He knew what he was doing. He just got bad information. He needs better people around him. Look, I'm just at a point and honestly this isn't just because of you know, DeAndre being one of the better players on the Suns, but I'm going to point where let's just be honest. These people are adults, right if they want to put something in their body let them right. It's not like I just I'm you're putting your head in the sand if you actually think That they aren't finding ways around this and that your just happened to catch the guys. Today's point that aren't doing it smart enough, right? So why why and I want the farce like I don't like I don't want this segment to come across as I was apologizing for Aiden because I'm not I think 18 is in was being an idiot. I don't think he is an idiot. I think he was being an idiot when he did this that was the end. He hurt his team. He's out 25 games out of 82, that's about a third of the season. They are definitely being hurt by his absence and I won't be able all to forgive him very soon for this and I will never trust him to do the right thing until many many years go by and he's proven he's always done. The right thing. He is not a trustworthy guy and I don't respect that. I don't respect what he did. However, he is just another NBA player like a lot of these guys. He's not a lot different than a lot of these guys. I'm not excusing it. I'm just identifying it. I know I agree wholeheartedly. I know I agree wholeheartedly. I'm not condoning. I think he I think he did something that was very selfish. We've discussed we've discussed that I'm just saying in general the whole drug testing all this thing just seems like a farce and a joke. So why why put up the front? Why not just be like it except that these guys are adults and they can make their own decisions and the league doesn't need to need to regulate they do they stop drug testing during the playoffs. Oh, yeah. Well, alright and on I know by then. We will make sure that you go to Bright Side nine dollars and to underprivileged children into a Suns game to see the sons play the Kings January 7th, and we will be back this Wednesday at 7 o'clock, Arizona time. Later. Hey guys, it's espo back to remind you that there are a many ways that you can support the show. 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You're listening to the Ricky Long podcast. And that's what I so is we all seek and divide Julie something to boost our own egos. We all do and whoever argues and says, I'm not egotistical you're lying to yourself. So get over yourself. Like we all need something to boost start when you go was with their what do you have this selfish desires when I do goal set my people it's like, oh want to, you know create this impact with these people. I don't want toMake people feel this way and I'm like, okay. What do you want for yourself? I just want to feel good about it. No. No, you're lying. What do you want? I said, yeah. What car do you want? What Heist You Wanna Live in because it's when you're honest about that sort of stuff. You actually have more chance of creating the all the other good stuff. Yeah. Oh 100% And that's people are so afraid to do it for themselves. Yeah, and it's you need to do it for yourself because if you're not doing it yourself like yeah you Unchanged as many lives as you want and yeah the boss from that it's brilliant, but it's the buzz you get from that and that at the end of the day is about you. If it's just for boys, that's great, but it's still you that gets the boss. Yeah, but there's no such self-fulfilling prophecy. So the episode of Friends when Phoebe challenges joy that there's no such thing as a selfless Good Deed. I love that episode. It's so true. You're listening to the Ricky Long podcast where International Fitness entrepreneur Ricky Long answers your questions and interviews Fitness leaders on training nutrition and mindset. Ricky is a fitness. This tree expert having been helping people achieve their fitness goals since 2002. We talked everything Fitness business and group exercise to help you on your fitness journey. Welcome to another episode of the original podcast. This is a jump live special with special guests and speaker at the jump live event on February the ear thing Village Glasgow Hotel. I am delighted to welcome clure Rafferty back on the podcast. It's close second time on the podcast. A lot of stuff has happened in Claire's life since her last appearance on the podcast. You can listen to that episode another time. I think was like episode 40 or so. This is going to be episode number 68 you See that episode in the show notes. It's not a prerequisite that you have to listen to the first one before you listen to this one because you're going to get a whole lot of value in this episode of the Ricky Long podcast know whether or not you're going to go to jump life or not. I promise you you'll get great value out of listen to this podcast. So I would love to hear your feedback on it. And if you do plan on going to jump live ticket details are in the show notes. At the present time of recording. There are about 26 Tech knots 20 seconds. Terrible. That's 16 Technics left. I believe 34 tickets have been sold. I'm going to sell another 16 between 9 and then if you come to the event, you will get training education. So you will leave this event knowing how to train and program yourself for the rest of your life. You'll get nutrition education. You will know how to eat and ducal. Design and macro design for your own diet and you will have mindset toes and goals to help you achieve your goals to help you prevent self-sabotage and help me find inner self belief. So we've got a lot of content to deliver that day. I'm delighted the event is sponsored by my good friend Hugh Davis of the strength lab. I've got another friend Tim Meadows speaking at the events and I'm delighted to welcome on the first female speaker. Claire roughly clerk has turned into one of these people in my life who we don't talk to each other often when and it's it's actually good that we don't talk to each other often. We were probably catch up once a month or so, maybe once every two months and when I say we catch up we talked about what we're doing in our own Fitness businesses, and we we kind of op make each other level up and up each other's games. So Here about certain things are closed in I'm like, oh that's good. That's good old Stella and I'm sure Claire would say the same old hooker says the same about me, but we definitely get a lot. I do have kind of talking to each other. We kind we Mentor each other just by calling out each other's bullshit and finding holes in each other you would call it blind spots. So if you the best way to find your blind spots is to get somebody else to point them out for you. So we're very good at that. That for each other. So in this episode you're going to hear a lot from what Claire's want to bring the jump life. We approach the question. What is the definition of a healthy relationship with food? We're going to speak about Claire's number one product right now the nutrition Hub which I have seen and it is awesome. Absolutely lover. So Craig was in the massive detail about that pretty much right at the start of the episode. So you're going to really really get Great Value from that and then the A topic which kind of come up over it halfway through which wasn't planned why being selfish can be a catalyst to reaching your personal goals. So it's a big one will kind of went through a lot of mindset stuff in this podcast Clara and I would both be heavily in their personal development will mention a few books and this but a lot of respect and love for Clara. I love what she's doing in her world in her life. She is a wonderful Awful personal story which I do encourage you to listen to sometimes especially on her own podcast, which is in the show notes of this the biggest thing I want you to get out of the next star is value. I trust that you will welcoming on to the rigging on podcast jump live special sponsored by Podium for sport Northern Sports retailer of the year is the lovely Fitness professional Mentor business professional Claire Rafferty. Welcoming on to the podcast for the second time, but for the first time from your new apartment in London, its Clarity. Yeah, baby. Hello delighted to have you back on this is obviously a jump live special as you're going to be common to job live in Glasgow on February the 8th to chat all things nutrition, but just before we do that for maybe people who haven't heard from you before I haven't listened to my podcast before tell us a little bit about yourself. Yes. Oh thanks for having me on I am and I'm really excited to be coming to jump. And yeah, I just so excited 2020s like already turning out to be so currently I could hear and it's only what 14th of January to examine two weeks and it's mad and so yeah as you just love Lily said I am setting my lovely new apartment. And so I'm moved to London just God. I think my last podcast I had was you I was living in London. I was in an absolutely horrendous department and really not enjoying life. I was doing the slug of being a PT and if anyone's ever been a PT in London, you'll know it's not fun. Okay, why is that? Why is that? It's just Relentless errors and not a lot of money like if you can work self-employed. Independently and you can get enough clients angry. I mean, there's plenty of people in London. Let's face it but to work and I kind of decent Jammer a decent space. It's very expensive and you don't get paid a lot per hour trading time for money is just not the way to go. Hmm if you want to be successful, so yeah, that's what I was doing last time. We Co-op obviously I was running the online and and I was just kind of bomb little we're trying to figure out what I was doing with my life and I had lots of plans since they all those plans have completely changed but it's been great. It's been really good. So I I've always had the nutrition Hub bubbling away in the background. No for about two years and over the last maybe five six months. It's kind of really become I mean center point of coaching and the clients. I know I'll take on are very much focused predominantly around main set around nutrition. And first and foremost based on obviously like if any was less than they'll know that I compete if you don't know that I compete and my background is bodybuilding and I know from that particularly like your mindset around your foot is be-all and end-all and even as a general population like you your main Sarah and food is everything and there's just so much confusion and so much. Can I swear? Yeah. Okay, just checking you. See there's so much bullshit out there around and you're exactly but I did ask permission. I just around food and what you should do and what you shouldn't do and I think there's just so much out there. There's confusing everyone. So I've spent since we last caught up a lot of my attention on just clearing up all up and making it simple and for general population to bring their Slifer. Good luck. Good luck to eat foods like as you're facing it feels like I'm on a Uphill battle every single day, but it's a battle. I'm willing to accept and if every single person that gets that change mindset wise around food. I feel like I've won the lottery. So yeah, that's kind of what I've been doing lately and still working at third space but no group exercise lead instructor at our Grudge, which is like the best German the entire planet. So do you want to see pictures of you working and training there? Think not lock trillions in yeah, baby. Yeah your third space as well and I just look at it. I'm just like like so nice like that. Like it looks it's a cross between some like really really high class like wine bar and the gym, yeah looks nice. It's your third space. Like, you know, you got your home. You got your work here if they're in space It's like got to be nice. It's got to be classy. So yeah, it's Blaze jealous. How do you feel about going into your franchise and opening a third space somewhere west of Glasgow? Ali asked the guys at work what they think perfect. Yeah feelers out. Awesome. I have about two to three thousand points cash the invest, you know, I could I could find out, you know before the 31st because obviously tax returns are Gene. For a week, so we're touch their own mindset and nutrition. What's the common thing? Like, I'm sure there's no it's but what's the common challenge you find you have with people the same conversation you're hot but having with people and people over and over again. There's a couple definitely couple more than a couple but there's a few that you know, when you say that two things really Spencer. mind and the first is just When you first talked to someone about wanting to lose weight before you get into even a y or you start to dig into any of that main set struggle that they've got just on a surface level when you have a first conversation with someone they already believe they are not eating a lot of food and they already believe that they are eating healthy and quite often. They're like, yeah. I'm only having yoga. For breakfast, I'm having salad for lunch and having salad for dinner. I'm doing all the good things. I've eaten all the good things. I don't understand why I'm not losing weight and that tends to be the first primary conversation. I have with most people I know work with because you and I both know that that then lead Center conversation of well. You're lying to yourself and you're lying. You're lying to me right now. So you do need to be very sensitive with these topics. And I think it's made me be a lot more sensitive with the client site Acorn and its really challenged me quite a lot to no be able to get into conversations to people around. Okay. Well, why are you saying that this is all you're eating and what are you actually eating and then dives into a whole world of binge eating yo-yo dieting. Mindset around food and then more often than not the second thing that they always comes up. Is that emotional response that people have to foot and oh, yeah, but I had their School honor or yeah, I had that gone honor or yeah that was there. So it's always a stress and action a relief and it's constantly time and time again, when you get into conversations that stress action relief that keeps coming up when you're so people are lying about what they're eating. Do you sometimes find that Whilst they're not telling the truth, but it's sometimes just due to lack of their own education. Like without them knowing it's a lack of Education. Yeah. So for example, they think they could I've experienced this people are eating that chicken Caesar salad thinking it's really really healthy. Meanwhile, it's about 900 calories just for that salad and there may be having like a cappuccino with it and they don't realize that that will add up to be possibly half a person's daily allowance. Yeah. And that's yeah, that's a totally other Angela suppose that I'm not scamming over. But yeah, it's there and it's especially where I live and work now you you cannot buy a salad that's not coated and 2 liters of dressing. I love love them and it's just like it's you go to some incredible places. Like, you know, you've got cross you've got Leon you've got all these amazing places that have all these healthy foods and they have calories. Some of the main you and that's not the problem but it's karaoke that mules only got 600 calories and it you know exactly what you're eating but it is the coffee the muffin the box of quality streets. The glass is a way the people self. I I'm just off the train and I haven't had my dinner yet. So behave yourself or just sooo not aware of what's in foods and what's what they're putting in their bodies and it's just such a lack of actual education out there. Yeah, and it's painful. It's Rife like not just in the fitness industry, but just in general, I've been rubbing a few people up. One Way recently bought some posts about the fitness industry and one of the things I always stuck on and any Jam managers listen to this, I mean, I think Jim's in many ways or a fraud because most people come to the gym to lose weight and one of the biggest factors and weight loss is nutrition but yet a gem will not give you anything as part of your membership about nutrition. Yeah instead what they'll do is sell you supplement. That's which is the top of the nutritional pyramid of hierarchy. It's literally like taking your new gym member and saying brand new to the gym where you go down there and do a one rep max of a snatch. That's literally what you've done with them just don't know that terms and I just kind of I really do the more and more thing but I'm especially the first time I've said I'd like to gem industry is a bit of a fraud because maybe they should be all what a plug what a sing this like. Maybe they should be like nutrition hubs with a little bit of Exercise. Oh, thanks, that's why I do. Yeah. Oh really? Yeah, that's good. Yeah, this is what I do. Oh hi doll. So the nutrition Hub that I remember the last time we were on the nutrition Hope was just kind of launching. Yeah so high what is highest in nutrition Hub done since its launch. How much is what does the journey? Look Nate success stories. Just tell us a little bit about it. Yeah, so when I first started nutrition hop it was everything that I knew and nutrition and it was in you know, three sequence introductory videos followed by 15 bonus education videos 60 plus recipes definite interchangeable meal plans based on calorie counts and calorie goals and then just loads of modes of information and it was really successful that people had so many meal options so many choices and these educational videos to get them started but we are I feel that Most it's we and through chatting with the the members about it was there was never an innocent that was like week on week progress checking and can a touch and back Beast really make sure people we're getting the change in getting the main set and getting the development but also that people were being educated on a consistent basis. So I mean if you've got any when the lessons that runs a business or you know yourself quite often For for a plan to work, you can give someone the best plan on the freaking planet. You can give them the old saying in all dance and bells and whistles plan. But unless you have a connection with that person and unless that person is able to work with you in some capacity to make progress. You just Devon them apply like they can download free on Google. They can download free from anywhere and a huge part of the by n and our industry is that you're buying into a person you're buying into their beliefs you're buying into their strategy and I felt like there wasn't enough of me within the Hub. There's a coach. So we stopped we reassess time satin robe and set them unless he suddenly told me thought about loads of different things and was like what I need this to be as I need it to be Be caught copying someone else in the industry that I heard them. I actually heard them give a talk and they said something they were like, well that seems really clever moons done that and I was like, oh, there you go. That's what I'm doing. And and it's basically no broken down into its 12-week structure where and Week 1 to 4. We just look at helping people understand portions and helping people feel fill and helping people start to get rid of Cravings get rid of snack and get rid of those. It's around bending and we really look at mindset that comes in the form of audios and education videos. And then as we move into the second section, we really start to address calories and total daily energy expenditure and basic metabolic rates and weird to calories actually fit into the argument. And you know, how many calories should you be cutting we con week and really looking at the actual education around, you know, we don't go from 2,000 calories a day to 800 calories a day and expect to sustain that and looking at why that's just built share and why that doesn't work and why that causes rebound and damage and negative relationships. And then as we move into the final stages, I look more at you know proteins. Can I have a little bit of impact and why you know people are training either we need to have proteins and carbs and fats and then sleep and stress and then how to take everything you've learned over the 12 weeks and actually continue it forwards and to life. Yeah, well, I'm certainly or I'm just thinking about the sent you said about copying people and people are you get a lot of CopyCats in the industry, but the danger is if you're going to copy someones idea what you don't appreciate is the grind work that goes into it. So just anyone listen to this home roughly High many ORS or video and audio are included and nutrition Hub. Can we not even tried? Memorize that because I honest to goodness, I feel like I didn't I sat so sad with Robin for a full day during the 12-week videos. Ok. So that was over Christmas. That was like I was very seven or eight hour shift just doing the videos. I remember seeing on your Instagram. Yeah, and then I also decided that I wanted to do an audio every second day. Of course you did. Wow, that's big because the Huge point was it is is that people need that connection and they need they need to feel like they're working with me. So I was like, how can I give them as my timing give them as much as possible so that they've got me but leave no actually got me like and I can make it such a lowball price that anyone can do it and anyone can have my knowledge and education and anyone can learn from me, but they can do it at their own pace. They can make it flexible around them, but it's consistent. Distant so that I'm constantly and the rear and I'm constantly on them. So you do feel that. You've got that person, you know watching over you. So yeah, I decided to do an audio for every second day, but I still have one to finish. I'm not going to tell you what we could the corps says but like that's the extent there's a not we just realized the other day. There's an audio still messing on the course and I'm one short out of very sex. I only done 35 As far as I can see the stress and your first because everything fat perfectly the topics that correctly cross terrify my mom. I don't know how I doesn't get three terms are very sexy most of the time. Yeah, that's the extent of this is like the amount of time that it takes like simple math or no audience doesn't like wait and then there was also other PDF handouts and then menus the additional Gates the supplementation gaze like every weekly check and downloadable track inform goal-setting form 10 management Forum. You name it? Like everything had to be made I think I didn't sleep for maybe three days. I just sat on my computer and was like for three days. This is where I am. This is happening. Plus it was all there in between like editing and setting up canvases and titles and I can't even It was like three months of my life. At least two hours a day for three months. Yeah, and it's just I'm so proud of it now because I was like it's done, but all my gosh like I can't even nobody do it unless you are committed and you know that it's good. Have you had critical feedback on it yet? And I've just had a lot of people so what I'm also doing is well more more course is a I've set up a Is that what you traction on Facebook groups have got everyone that's currently in the hub and that group and I'm going live in there once a week. Yeah, and and I'm getting a lot of feedback and a lot of Engagement and the group's was actually really positive so far and people are loving the recipes trying to raise bees have love in the supplement care and they're loving the videos and some of the people some of them are like, oh my God, I never even thought about that or or this audio really helped me today and some getting good feedback. Yeah, but it's it's still and it's The early stages of narrowest of solidified this is who I am and this is what I'm all about. And so yeah. It's an exciting exciting time. Yeah, it took me. so when I belt jump jump had obviously been in existence since like 20 2017 as jump but a kind of existed before that just in a series of Facebook groups and things were noted down in Facebook groups in are you having the scroll and scroll and get good content and I call it all together. That was I think I started drinking that that about 11 o'clock in the morning and I was just behind a laptop and the hotel Fiona and then it was over the next two or three weeks. I started to put together. Including all the videos, etc. Etc. And if it was that asked about the feedback question because my mentor at the time offered to give me feedback on it, and I was just like I would but I'm just I'm not ready just yet and clients are going through it. They seem happy enough. I'll I'll come to you when I'm ready and long story short. I'm on I'm on the a different mentor and he went through he's in the process of going through it now give me critical feedback on it because I want to be doing a whole rewrite in March. So all the video is being Donaghy and all the downloads being done again. All the audio has been done again. I have written the notes Here. Sinclair referees down on audio every though their consent. Yeah, so stuff like that so he's been going through it and it took me ages to ask for that feedback and it's because the real impact of what you just said, it's I know the amount of stress pressure that went into this and by the way, by the way, you're a lot smarter than me because you have a robin. Yeah. I added the videos myself. I add up the audio myself. So yeah, maybe I need a robin. You need to get like balbin gab your number. I think I'll forgive your number food. Actually, I'll give you a number and just I couldn't do this without a role, but it was it was like, oh my goodness having support has just I know like I'm on the hunt for more people so, you know and only made a few and their content writer. Okay. So basically I need someone who's going to go through my nutrition Hub and turn it all into content for Instagram. All right. Okay. What yeah, so most of the contents there and then once they understand my language understand my style they can then help me with content and I'm getting a financial advisor. That's scary. That is that's like real life. Scary. Yeah, and I still need to find a new accountant. Two weeks left. These are the precious gift for that shirts for next year. But yeah, it feels weird to be like my goodness. My team is growing but that's the goal for this year is just to keep growing and just yeah hoping that by the end of the year to start having some coaches work in the nutrition Hub and getting involved in the Facebook group. And yeah rowing is through there. We think I would sit beside you when you created the The Instagram page for nutritional yeah. Yes. So anyone listening you can go and follow obviously can follow color or glare Rafferty rough Fitness as a yes just clear after and uh, yeah find it there and then it's at nutrition Hub. So know you have an Instagram page and I assume that Facebook group is private. Yes, just for people that buy the Hops. I've got so the business rough Fitness page which people are free to join. Its they are we share all our content on it and kind of jump in and out for Alive since your stuff like that, but it's mostly all my attention is on nutrition Hub with other planets. Yeah. It was a plan here. What's the plan I need to and very much, you know, you always hear people are like put all your eggs and you know focus on one thing and get one thing really throw even really successful. So for me, the coaching has been great the one-to-one and I absolutely love it but going back to time for money and errors and All the rest of it like I need a group format thing to really work and Thrive like so that's what all my time effort energy is going from a business side because I've got those base and I've got Network marketer and so it's just trying to keep it all and it's Pockets now. He thought of that so a lot of my attention obviously goes on jump and it wasn't quite the plan but I love doing it and I love I love my Facebook group with everyone. I love the results people get and like anyone listen to this. This is going to sound really really a little bit arrogant. But see when I get the, you know, the messages through from people. I've lost weight, you know, I've left it at some point in their gender their great. Don't get me wrong, but it's one I get Message for you sir. There were the one that stands out is there was an on group fitness instructor. So it was a group fitness Enthusiast participant came onto the program and within six weeks. She booked her level to that our level 2 and she is not who I am or PM instructor so nice because she's had that shift in mentality and confidence in herself. Yeah, and that that's better. Better for me. I'm a mother one of my clients. She's just finished jump. Annoy. She has started dude business coaching with myself because she knows I understands that she's worth more the use the term you just use that kind of active income time for money. So we've seen I wants to make a transition from teaching shared among a group exercise classes per week cut that line. So is she has a more time with her family, which is really important for anyone. I'm be just create that bigger. That's a bit of a white D term but that bigger impact on more people. Yeah, and that's what it is though is we all seek and eventually something to boost our own egos we all do and whoever argues and says, I'm not egotistical you're lying to yourself. So get over yourself. Like we all need something to boost start when you go and walk the computer stressed that straight out of that book. What's up, like it's like my beliefs. It's probably in a bit of a read a book before you put on your Instagram today the audible book. All right, Gordo. I'm on go for no just now, okay? I just just the way you said that was kind of like aw. That's great. That's not good. Because whether we do you have this selfish desires when I do goal set my people it's like oh want to you know create this impact with these people. I don't want to make people feel this way and I'm like, okay. What do you want for yourself? Are I just want to feel good about it? No. No, you're lying. What do you want? I said, yeah. What car do you want? What house do you want to live in because it's when you're honest about that sort of stuff. Steve more chance of creating the only other good stuff. Yeah. Well 100% And that's people are so afraid to do it for themselves. Yeah, and it's you need to do it for yourself because if you're not doing it yourself like yeah, you can change as many lives as you want. And yeah the boss from that is brilliant, but it's the buzz you get from that and that at the end of the day is about you. And if it is just for a buzz, that's great, but it's still you that gets the buzz. Yeah, but there's no such a self-fulfilling prophecy that episode of Friends when Phoebe challenges joy that there's no such thing as a selfless Good Deed. I love that episode. It's so true. Yeah, that's because he's got philosophical. Yeah, because if you get any sense of pleasure from doing something you selfish or selfless. Yeah, like you can't do something in this world without it. You know there I said drop all day we need to do this more often. I think you're less. There's a lot. Hey the sound of our voices together soon all they're ready that the sound of my voice is. I've multiple voices, right? So, it's January. It is a new year. It's a new you for a lot of people. I'll just like to make casual observations when I'm in the gym and All your new gem showed up forever plaid Leisure, by the way, they have recently just had a multi-million Point refurb uni. Mm a piece of technogym equipment. It's in origin. It's absolutely incredible. Nice one machine. They've got they've actually got three of these which they have just recently installed or the 2020 you fitness machine of the Year. Never been seen before so master. The StairMaster that's your aren't they? Yeah. Well, it's how you burn calories is it not or yeah, but it's really interested the five thing everyone's on it. So there's three of these and in the gym and you know point is one of them ever sitting idle for longer than a couple of minutes. I love it. Oh my gosh, so it's funny because I had a really funny conversation maybe right lane of last week and with the your game work and oh my God, I love are like absolutely love. Her and we were talking about you know, like doesn't lift weights. She's Yogi through and through like yoga is life like Anderson body weight. She is your gal and she just incredible that her performance or art like whatever you want to look at it and as she was talking about yeah, but I need to talk to my mom a little bit something good on the StairMaster. Yes, it is and it's been a open and I just had that little oh my goodness moment. But then in the same breath, I was like it probably is helping you because All you do is Yoga. So, you know like and she was like, my mom is definitely farmer and it's more towards and it's got good shape and I was like to know what each to their own like, but please don't go promoting that anyone 2020 is definitely the early start my struggles. I've kind of look around and just 2019. You're part of the script by the way the barbell hip thrust forgive. Oh, yeah, baby. Oh, yeah, that was like the 2019 move. And then 2018 was all about the hex for it was like hex bar for absolutely everything and now it's very much the StairMaster in my opinion and my observation and these vibrating massage machine that have one you have one. No, I do know and I will not be getting what after that post you but I was like like that's just when you know regular always below the belt, but just like I see that there's just that I don't like I'm one of them. We but I also want to read it for anyone that's done hasn't say now. I'll put it in the show notes. Please don't basically if you're not aware of what's coming to the industry. And well I call a fad. It's very very popular right now is massage guns and other common during number of different brands with Aragon seems to be like the one making the most noise and especially a massage going you put it against your skin you put against your muscle and it well she can vibrate your muscle and I play playfully just innocently made a comment that anyone who owns a mush as got massage gun, you're not fooling anyone and that kind of escalated on Instagram stories, which turned into a picture of a female with a very very large massage vibrator thing. Let's get post at least it was a what is it? A click bait like it was definitely clickbait. Yeah, it got the attention and that's what it's about are. There was no caption Underneath It All I wrote we all know we all know what you're doing. I'm getting really really pissed off with Instagram right now. You know why you're like shopping. That my likes are probably higher than the vein and a long time but it's just the whole. Do you imagine that it's like sometimes you post for the sake of poster Like the quote on quote make the algorithm like you I was gonna say I'm gonna miss my time. When do I need to post again? Yeah. So there's no point in Poston or after 10:00 a.m. Is report post on its kind of like him a potion for I'm a posting for the people who follow me or am I posting for me or am I put on this is I think this is the dangerous people to post for the people. The people who follow me friends, you know and hope that our I post something and I hope that clarifies a will tie the perfect person all my post and that person will start following me, you know the main and yeah that yeah, no the game. Yeah, I think a lot of people definitely do that and we all fall into that trap, you know are there this will be the post that will go viral. This will be you know, the Charlie bit my finger video on YouTube. This will be my mom without post this Sure of the woman with our Mast vibrating massager and this will be me. I'll be you know, 15 million thousand likes it's not really a number but it's kind of like I'm just kind of I posted a picture today. I don't know it was literally what I posted my what you call it from Twitter the quote from Twitter on how to beg caption or was going to write on it. Just thought nah, the coat does enough post and just left it. I actually felt so sad about it. Yeah, it's almost like removing that stress like you've really got two. Yeah, who are you posting for as always comes down to like are you speaking to one person? And does that one person engage with your posts if they do then you've done your job burn. It's my diet. I've kind of fallen out of love with Instagram lately. I just can't be bothered with it. Like everyone else. I think there's Instagram stories as good as ever because it's a really really good way to talk to that audience, but I think didn't use feed itself. I'm kind of losing that little bit of Trust on it and love know people say the algorithms broken. I'm one of the reasons I've heard that the algorithms broken. I've heard this mansion somewhere don't know if it's true. Just I like that so the algorithms broken because there's like five or six times as many posts. Yeah sure our users because there's so many bolts involved than at night. Yeah. So basically like the yeah, it's that simple ways explains around, you know, if every person is no no longer. Just following 50 people every person's no following 1,000 people and if your post and its basic, yeah, whether it's based on the likes of that person's like last or whatever, but if you posted in o'clock in the morning that person was going to 11 and there's 300 people that that person's phone is posted in that time. They'd seen your post. Yeah, you know and as simple as that and then we even start looking explore pages and whatnot, but the absolute volume of you losers Like as much as the Explorer pages of started to Nittany Stoner next owner. Whatever word were using. What word actually is it an English anymore don't even know was it nature net? I don't know why I try not to say up. I said Avatar so American, I don't know anymore. And but yeah, even though we're at like it doesn't help like oh I heard some of the other day they were like don't use harsh. It was a it's a millennial thing. It was like she was a big 16 or something and she was like, oh my God don't use hashtags, like hashtags are not killed and you're never going to you're never actually going to get noise if you use hashtags anymore. I was just like wait. Well, anyway, I don't understand understand. Why is this 16 year old telling me not to use hashtags and Jimmy alderton did it was a don't know whether it was his own he was on the Rovner pork last and he spoke about his daughter. And hi, he has set up an Instagram and a tick tock. I mean YouTube channel for his daughter, but he give people context - is his daughter. I want to say five or six years old. I mean she is by all means a child and some people thrown at that because you're exposing the child to the internet and social media and we all know that the dangers are not but he Likens it to well, this is like me or put it in a savings bank for I'm putting in a pond every day. So it's mighty turns 18. There's 20,000 followers. You're basically not only eligible to be a brand influencer get a job whatever it is. And I remember let's not thinking first of all GMA. That's a brilliant idea. I absolutely love that because he controls the whole thing. She doesn't control it. He controls it. Yeah. First of all, I thought it was important and I just stopped himself. Hi many people back to what you just said or going to be on Instagram and on TED Talk. Etc, etc in the next 3 5 7 years. So it's that that space were all fighting for you know, if you've a few thousand followers. And this is what does it say? If you post only up to like two or three percent are going to see that post. Yes, and that's only if they that Pier 3% engage with you if they don't age with you, they're going to see somebody else's Post Yeah, so it's like I think I think Instagrams broke like the newsfeed section of it. I think it's broken. I think the algorithm and itself. It's kind of like suffocated. I just yeah, I just know that I've lost. I just can't be bothered dress it. Like I'm too much thought goes into it. I know Paul stuff people engage gray. I have a conversation with them. If they don't then I'm not going to lose sleep over it. I'll make an effort to talk to people who I think would fit my business that my more done as almost going back now to striking up a conversation with a stranger and you're just hoping to do that online. I may not know. I was going to say about Millennials to do West. Oh, yeah, like the average Millennial know what you're going to be when you grew up not Millennia was what they called, their like wide racing said why whatever we are so old we're just I don't know what they're called are also young to the worst of it as like Robin and I had a podcast Robert Lee and I'm pretty sure you're not podcast. We actually Googled it because we could remember what they were called like James I adore Gen Y or something. I think it's jams at You know, but they all want to be absolute Source when they grow up. It's ridiculous. Jessie's good said years Jen's Ed refers to generation. It was born between 1996 and 2010 following the landlord Millennials. Yeah chance for those high 60s. Gen Y is short for Generation Y. Yes. Thank you very much Google from the mid. Sorry from the 1980s to the mid 90s. So it's Generation Y Millennials and in generation said It's all right, didn't you miss the you've messed 92? Mm was always nice to just as Millennials those entities as I don't know. Yeah, so I'm a millennial so hold on all I've got a I got a nice picture. I've got baby boomer, which is out of focus. That's really really useful. Thank you for that. So we've got some Jesus silent generation. Ian is 1925 to 1945 Baby Boomers is 1946. The 1963 Jan X is 64 to 70 it Millennials or Generation Y interesting is 79 to 95. Well, yeah, so it's and Millennials or Generation Y is 79 to 95 and Jen's Ed is 96 to 2010. So who's not dead? Like 2011 the noi million-dollar question laughter. What's after Generations? Add the final hairs? On behalf of their twenties about to the noise. I can't Anyone know what they're called nowadays, that would be greatly appreciated. I feel like we should go on Instagram live the same time. Maybe they just haven't made it up yet. But Google doesn't know so it doesn't exist. Yeah. Google doesn't notice it doesn't exist. It's like I remember. So when I was in school back in the day and I burned mind, I'm 24 now. So I left school in 2002 when I was 16 do the maths and it was black boards. Like didn't have white boards properly. Then I know I'm phones were forbidden in skin. Like if you were caught with a phone it was taken off you your parents were called and you got it back your parents got it back either that day and then you never saw it. But it was noisy kids are being encouraged to use laptops to use a pads on a day-to-day basis for basic tasks. Just like what is that yet? The beanie and baby who was born in 2011. What are they going to be like when they are the same age as you and me 24 and the little have bluelake lassies I've got my there's good best generation of just everyone wouldn't glacis. Yeah, the computers will be on the inside of yeah, I'll be sick and they'll have like one year, but then all the time that's happened in my life airports. No, I hated them. Tell Legends daughter Emily got a pair of them and she walks around the house and I'm just like they're kind of cool. I saw I hate it when I don't know that someone's got the man and I'm having a conversation with them when they're like, oh, sorry. Yes, I could slap you right now. Yeah, you did just do that to me happens quite often and our house. It's true though crikey. Well that's digressed from all things Badness. Love it. Love it. What so you have changed job and you and I are going after group exercise product. I am so I'm what they call a lead instructor. I had to get that word right there. So I'm and the terror so many terabytes Club. So I like basically teach mostly across strength and conditioning and cycle and then I do a little bit of Reagan athletic. I've kind of shrunk or my programs right down and I'm trying to more focus and specialized with then s and C because we've just launched A New Concept called Force which airs on the beach barbells dumbbells step. think of it close to another program that you've maybe heard of in the past and and I'm kind of running with that right now, which I'm absolutely loving of course and so yeah having so much fun and just hoping that 2020 can start to move me a little bit further forward with their own kind of the ace and see development and a little bit of connection and performance their own culture and to class still every inch just kind of see what I can do there to make everyone even better. Yeah. Well, what do you want to do when you say about moving forwards? What are you thinking? And so I'd really like to get more involved in the education like education me, right? So I have gotten nutrition hard. That's why I do beat the Lives why I'm on this planet is to educate and help people. It fills me with absolute joy to see people improve and whatever it is of their life that they want to improve on. So I am once again to education more with and third space. Obviously my strengths are with an agency, but it's just it's still a very new club, but still very new business. It's there's so many changes going on right now. So it's just a case of keep doing what I'm doing and hope that yeah something comes up. That's like fulfills me even more plan composite. Yeah. Yeah. Awesome. I'm on a holiday do tell the day after jump live where I'm going to be done. Dine in see my cousin's so people we trip so from the nineties 10 fish. I'll be dying in sorry so I can give entry in into that. Love them. Come see you common playing very serious complaints Art Space. I think you'll love it. You would love Kenny Lee whorf. But some was organized comes Tara Bridge good cover. African art or everyone's good coffee government. Yes. He right you are common to jump life. You're going to be chatting all things main sap and nutrition Wallace. What's your big promise? What's your value proposition for your 60 Minutes speaking slot. Oh value what my promising since my goal. Obviously, we've got you've yeah, you've really stem rate. I've released him. Yeah, that's fine. Okay. Where's the handle have they know about you. It's all recorded his podcast today. It's going on at the end of the week and yours is going out. So this podcast is you going out to the World by the way Colonel day or down depending on what I know who's gonna lose their mind. That's okay. Okay. So yeah, so everyone knows obviously about And the time I'm is obviously a lot more science-based nutrition. He's the man for talking you about macros. That would make me fall asleep. Love you too. Not that handles like a rando. So Tim is going to run macros. They us. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I know we might just feel like make sure some people got some earbuds now, that's harsh. So yeah, so I'm going to do more of the Mesa. So I just really hope that between obviously I'm giving them the Practical education that I could just help them figure out that kind of stress action relief that they've got our own food and you know, a lot of time people associate that stress to be with a negative thing and that stress isn't actually always with a negative thing. It could be the stress of a 40th birthday party. It could be the stress of an exam. It could be the stressful work. They claimed it could be the stress of I'm not worthy. I'm not good enough. Life that could be the stress of relationship whatever that stray says and then that action that we then take and that habitual, you know, it's ingrained within us whenever we feel that trigger dear. I see whenever you feel that trigger. What is the action that you associate with it and then, you know the relief that that gives you and the kind of mindset chefs that we can have around replacing that have Ian look can't speak replacing that action was another action to create another relief that gives you a similar response. But as maybe I healthier relief response and doesn't send you into the negative spiral or stress action relief that leads back to more stressed about eating that food that leads to more negative action that leads to more relief and like people get into this endless cycle. I'm so I'm hoping to kind of talk a little bit about that. And then yeah, I just want to you know address the rim a little antsy. Who in the room does feel like the understand what a good relationship with food looks like and from a mental perspective and actually see what people think a good relationship with food as in the sentence. What does that mean? And so few lessons elastic and start to think oh my God, what is it? Good relationship with food like what does that mean? Word is Health me from for that all robots, like for him. Ask the question. What is clearly? And then you're like, oh like I know but if I'm to actually make that a tangible sense and it's difficult. Yeah. What is a good relationship with food? I know but how to me if that tangible. Yeah. I might need a minute and it's for the thing is like it's not one of those ones. It's not off single answer for everyone. But to have a good or healthy relationship with food at the end of the day. It does come down to your mind. Set and you are beliefs around what Foo days and as soon as you start identifying food is good or bad or as soon as you start to identify I need to diet to lose weight on as soon as you identify or I can't do that because it's got sugar or fats are bad or ketogenic. The only way to be healthy or vegans. The only way to be healthy and as soon as you start any territories like your Devon your brain so many mixed signals that naturally you're just going to mess up and natural you're going to end up and a negative place with foods and suppose that's what obviously brings it back to where the Hub has come from and why I'm now on this absolute mission to get people to stop dieting before the diet. Cuz it's just everyone's in a mess and then I'll put this quote up on social once upon a time is your life is not about counting calories. Yeah, it's not know exactly if you spend your life either being in a diet or counting calories. That's the definition. Oh that's definition of a bad relationship with food. Yes. No, I'll get myself a good. Yeah. Big important question for jump life. So we are going to finish the day I run about 4:00 4:30 when G be having drinks afterwards tell you of course. Yes, welcome drink someplace to this top. It is also the day Scotland play folks, right? Okay. So obviously we're Glasgow so there will be a member but re-injure. Are also at home that base so I imagine the village will tell well Harbor pretty good atmosphere and nice. So yeah, I am very very grateful for you coming to junk live and I'm very very grateful for you giving such great value in this podcast as well. I've thoroughly enjoyed it. We need to do more of these. We need a it's been fun. We need a reckon rough cast Michael. She imagined broken rock cross rocks and Rippling roughcast or you just cast you should use that anyway, That's rough Red Cross is like riffraff. But Rick Rath. Yeah, the Rick Ross show. I don't know whoa. Whoa, we'll think about it. Please don't be so so quickly before you go where can people find you on social. I am at Clear underscore Rafferty underscore keeping it simple. My name does not have an eye and I'm Irish and then nutrition hub. Their score is obviously the instruction help the site and then if they want they can head to my website see when it was last time w-w-w dot rough Fitness Dot online and they can find out about coaching packages and nutrition and podcast perfect. I'll put all that in the show notes. I will also put the link for the first podcast we did together and also put the link for your own podcast, which is called real. Just real Killer, Joe explain what realize what will they find it? If they just searched for real and I changed. Well, you have to search dogs between each layer are Dottie Dottie Dottie. Okay. Well, I'll put the link there. Anyway, I'm people get it because it's good podcast be honest. I haven't listened to the answer with you and then zero just yet. You know, I haven't listened others made out for three days. I feel horrible, but I have listened to since I have had a lot of an increase of The worst sense Lindsay's podcast also where make sure to blend Z for that. I'll get you to join up. I'll get them to send you an invoice for all those followers and the 20 point to follow the algorithm, but it's not worth it Rob. I'm absolutely love this. I will catch you on the other side. Thank you very very much for coming on. You're listening to the Ricky Long podcast. Lovely girl love what she stands for loves what she does in the fitness industry. She is a wonderful wonderful person from the soil and you can really fill out whenever you come into close presence and delighted that she is going to be common to jump life and I 100% believe and know every single person who sees clarospeak will get incredible value log know what you thought of that podcast. We certainly had a really really good. Dinner tickets for jump live in the link in the bio. Would love to see you there. Catch you guys soon. 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Welcome to the Glenn McIntosh show. I'm Glenn Macintosh author YouTuber developer transformational online programs. You can do all over the world and psychologists who is super passionate about eating physical activity Weight and Body Image, please join me for inspiring conversations with world leaders as they share innovative ideas based on the latest scientific evidence.And they're rich personal experiences. We dive deep exploring all of the subtleties. So you understand exactly how to make peace with food find joy and moving your body Embrace a positive body image and generally just kill it at life. You'll also hear some podcast of all parts of my Q&A video series Thursday therapy and a bunch of other cool stuff. I know you'll love whether you're tuning in for yourself.Your health professional looking to better support those you serve welcome to the Glenn McIntosh show. This episode is brought to you by my new book the insanity seven steps to transform your mindset and say goodbye to dieting forever in today's podcast, which was recorded some time ago. I mentioned that I'm writing the book. Well, I've just finished it and I'm sure it is the best thing that I've ever created. In thin sanity, I work with you like I would one of my clients and share all of the secrets and strategies that help them to break free of that endless craziness of yo-yo dieting and succeed in a way that is right for them. To give you a feel for what's in the book the seven steps are to break up with the scales make up with your body sidestep sabotage and set yourself up for success make peace with food fall in love with movement. It is possible. Learn how to nurture your inner self. And then tie it all together by layering up your Healthy Habits on top of one another. The insanity is officially released December 31st. 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It's now the scientific findings from countless academic articles and research studies and most importantly my practical experience from spending tens of thousands of hours working with people just like you make the book The Perfect how to Resource to guide you out of your own personal thin sanity and into the awesome life. You are meant to lead please check it out. I'm sure you'll be glad you did. did Welcome back to the podcast guys today. I am so thrilled to have dr. Gina Cleo on the show Cleo and I are great mates. And this one really does feel just like a chat between like-minded friends. It is a pretty long one, but Gina's habits research is really taking the World by storm. It's exciting academics. It's exciting health professionals, and it's certainly helping the clients that we're introducing these ideas to and Gina was happy to dive deep into the principles and get into the details of how you apply them to make and break habits that are important to you, which we absolutely love one thing. I love about Gina is her ability to communicate these ideas. She has an ability to make the principle seems simple to talk about them in a really relatable way and we even have a bit of fun along the way it is a really fun and Lively interview. So I hope you enjoyed as much as I did. Welcome to the Glenn Macintosh show where we talk everything around eating physical movement weight body image emotional health psychological health behavioral health social health spiritual health existential health and everything in between guys today. I'm really excited. We have dr. Gina Cleo with us Gina. Welcome to the show. Thanks for having me. It's great to be here. It's and you guys will know I know Cleo quite well, so I'm going to interchangeably. Her Gina, dr. Cleo and Cleo and you're gonna probably get gee Mac Mac Daddy all the things you're at the Clio and macdaddy show. Let me introduce. Dr. Gina Cleo properly because I need you to know who we're talking to. So, dr. Cleo is an accredited practicing dietitian and a research fellow at the center for research in evidence-based practice, which we love at Bond University. City after working clinically in various hospitals and private practice. She completed a PhD in long-term weight loss maintenance, which we all know is the name of the game where she implemented a habit based non diet or exercise intervention to help people achieve a sustained weight loss Gina, which you'll see if you look at her Instagram is a total foodie and she's really passionate about human behavior health and - and she's recognized as the only Australian researcher inhabit based interventions for long-term weight loss maintenance. Her research is pretty groundbreaking. It's reaches over three and a half million people and it is recognized worldwide at over 25 leading medical conferences and over a hundred media Outlets including ABC News. News.com you the Today Show Women's Health Magazine and about a zillion. In radio stations, it is pretty groundbreaking research as we'll talk about and that's pretty amazing. Gina given that the research is only fairly new it is thank you. It's been so just it's been shocking to me really because here I am and my little lab doing my research and then all of a sudden there's just been this influx of Interest which has been really good and a way to be able to get the word out there really good and when we start to get into the research, you'll see why it's so interesting. I First met dr. Cleo at I think it was the eating disorders and obesity conference and I think I was chairing the conference and I ducked into your area because I really wanted to see this I thought oh this looks like an interesting research topic and it was one of those rare moments. Where as someone who's a bit of a research geek? Yeah and that an obesity conference you're kind of used to a lot of I suppose the same thing. Mmm, and you know that the outcomes in what we We do and not fantastic. So it's sometimes it's a bit depressant. But yeah, I remember being a guy jumped into your your presentation and I had really one of those moments where I thought wow. This person's doing something really different. I think Steve has yeah, so no is it? No, it's absolutely true. And that's obviously the reason why your research is becoming so exciting because there's a lot of people that are having that response in the research world, but also, So in the public, so we're going to talk about that in a minute. But let me keep introducing you guys quacks. I'm not done. There's more there's more guys but white so more recently, dr. Clay has developed and is currently implementing a 12-month community-based weight loss program centered on habit change to help individuals achieve long-term weight loss success and therefore gain improved health and well-being and this has been implemented in six countries at the moment it launched last month and it's just gone ballistic. Absolutely. Absolutely. Italy mental, you're also the academic director for an international coaching company or want to talk about that briefly where your role is to assure that their programs meet evidence based practice. That's right. So important because there's so much stuff that people are doing out there. That's not necessarily evidence based in it's so cool to have that that organization see the value in having a research at come and tighten up their program. Yeah. It's been such a great thing to work with them and to have I guess the creative license to be able to go through All their content and really rip things apart and put things in and go back to the research that's been awesome. I bet there's a lot of health professionals and we do get a lot of health professionals tuning into the show that are really jealous because I think as health professionals we look at those programs. Like I could make that better they need to do more this or let's imagine you're doing that is so so cool. Look, dr. Clay is doing a bunch of cool stuff, but I wanted to let everyone know that you are nominated for the 2018 emerging health. Archer award because of your research passion and the promise of this extraordinary potential to make an important contribution to changing the way that we see weight management, but also health behavior in general. Yeah, that's right. So did I miss anything? No, I don't think so. Thank you. All right. Let me tell you guys what we're going to do. Today. We're going to talk about doctor Cleo's main area of research and practice which is inhabits. We're going to talk about what habits Actually Arc. Is it something that we talk about all the time? But but I don't know that we all actually know exactly what we're talking about. We're going to get into your research and what we can gain from it. And then we're going to talk about my favorite thing to talk about on the Glenn Macintosh show, which is the how to say, how do we make habits? How do we break habits and some of the insights from your research and practice with people? Yeah. Awesome. Let's do it. All right, so So why don't you tell us I'm a massive research geek a lot of researchers all over the world are loving your research. What are some of the the key take-home messages from what you've been researching and habits and long-term weight loss maintenance. I think one of the biggest things is realizing that about half of everything we do is actually habitual which means it's basically subconscious and we don't even realize we're doing those things. So we have consciousness. Havis and subconscious behaviors and 45% of our behaviors subconscious which falls into that habits category, but they're also the behaviors we tend to neglect because there's so automatic. We don't really think about them totally. So when you sit in the car and you put on your seatbelt and it's something you've done automatically you don't actually have to consciously remember to do that and one of the biggest take-homes was realizing that also our eating and are drinking Behavior. Is also half of that is Habitual. Yeah, it's almost half of what we're doing without eating and movement. We're doing without even thinking about it. Exactly. So that's why we eat when we eat how much we eat we could eat because of the time of day or who will live or because of the size of the plate or how much food is on a plate and not necessarily because we actually hungry for it and I think taking a really close look at those things makes a really big difference because that's half of the efforts, you know. Half of what we're trying to achieve absolutely there's and it sort of seems to me like when I hear you speak and when I look at your research, it seems to me to be a bit of a no-brainer. Yeah. It's like why have we not been looking at habits more because we hear this all of the time we talk about Behavior change, but obviously Behavior change is not the same as changing your habits. That's right, even though the words are generally used interchangeably. Yeah, so we hear people say Yo, my eating habits, but they really probably mean their behaviors. Yeah, and I think that might be part of the reason why we have overlooked habits and habits are only being researched in the last 10 years, which blows my mind. Yeah considering how much they affect our life and our behavior in general and it is something that we do isn't it when we start a health care core when people start a weight loss plan. They say I'm going to develop new habits, but so often I would look at what they're doing and say you're actually just Doing something for the goal, which is typically weight loss. Yeah rather than actually creating new habits. And I think that's kind of correct me if I'm wrong, but that's the way I would describe your program. It's the goal is actually on creating habits exactly and all the benefits and the outcomes are actually just a side effect of forming the Habit. Yes, so it's doing what we often. Say we're going to do when we start a health kick is actually just focus on the habits and almost relaxed about the results exactly and know that with consistency of those new behaviors. The results will come they might not come as quickly as we want them or they might but it's really not focusing on the results. It's knowing that if you're performing these new healthy habits and you doing so consistently you can't go wrong. Yeah Okay cool. So is there anything dr. Claire? Is there anything that we need to know? Know about habits, we know that half of our Behavior around about half including our eating and our movement is just habitual. So we're doing it without even thinking about it. We know we've got to focus on that. Is there anything else that we're missing or we need to understand about habits before we kind of launched into this? Yeah. So one thing to know is a habit has three ingredients. Okay. There's a queue a routine and a reward right habits are always triggered by something. And so for example when you brush your teeth this morning, you would trigger I brush my teeth. I did I did I did you were triggered by your morning routine. Yeah, a lot of people have breakfast because they're triggered by the time of day. It says always a queue. It's always a queue. Yep. Like I'm drinking this coffee at the moment. Yes. Alright whenever I do these podcast, I don't ask myself. Do I need a coffee? It's just the coffee just magically appears. Exactly. Okay now you'll have a Associated with that so whether that be the social pleasure of it or the comfort of having something warm while you were talking I'm experiencing right now. It's all of that the caffeine boost. Yes, that's it. So habits offer a reward and it might be purely a convenience or an emotional release or it might be anything but habit will always be triggered. They'll always be the action and then they'll be a reward that's interesting. You say dr. Claire that there's always as some sort of a queue because I think sometimes people don't necessarily think there is there is there like I'm just doing this but you're saying this there's always a queue. Yeah, there's always a routine in the new or there's always some payoff for it exactly and and sometimes accuse emotional which is where emotional eating can come into it as well. Got you. Absolutely. So that's interesting. Let's keep that in the back of our minds as we continue through this now. I've got to ask you though to Cleo. I'm A little smile as I say this. I started back salsa dancing a little while back. I like a couple of weeks ago and I was in my class and I heard the teacher say Just like anything you do it for a few weeks and then it's second nature and I had a little after myself and I thought about our interview we hear this all of the time. How long does it take to make or break a habit? And we hear 21 days. I'm printing well, I'm gathering that not the answer. How long does it take to to make new habits? It's obviously not 21 days. If not, Where does that come from? Why do we think that's the case? I am so glad you asked me this because I feel like I'm finally set the record straight. It's just everywhere. It's one of those dishes really popular myths isn't it? So 21 days. It was a research back in the 1960s and it was actually by plastic surgeons who performed amputations wrong these patients and it took about 21 days for these patients to no longer have the sensation. Ation of the Phantom limb, uh-huh. And so they then thought well this will be replicated with all sorts of things. So it took 21 days for these people to have to realize that they no longer have their arm or their leg. So it must take 21 days to change a habit. Yeah, and since the 1960s we have not gone past this although there's been so much more updated research to tell us isn't it? Amazing how something can get stuck in our mind and it doesn't matter what Ongoing research sort of tells us any different and that is a long bow to draw his then from Phantom limb pain going away to developing an exercise routine. Yeah, and I think maybe part of the reason we've kept it is because it is so much Kinder than how long it really does take to change a habit. All right hit us with the reality then that's what we're all about. Truth bombs. How long does it take to create? Inhabit, I can't give you a number. And the reason for that is there are two different I guess two different contributions as to how long it takes. So the first thing is how habitual you are as a person right will affect how long it takes for you to change a habit brought you this I have its strength is strong. You're strong heat stirring so you cut a habitual person massively. Yeah. So let me give you an example. You'll love this got two of our two Heroes like I roller coaster rigid person on the way. Hey, you've been salsa dancing. Actually doing scientific guys, exactly. So my partner BJ we were housemates for a year before we started dating about four years ago love that and I noticed that he would eat chicken schnitzel with a side of lettuce and whole carrot every single day for the entire year. We live together, but not only that he would make to he'd have one for dinner and then he would pack one for lunch the next day there was twice that you know, he ate something else. Also, even if he go out for dinner, he'd still each schnitzel and it was quite interesting because I was doing my PhD at the time and he was a case study and didn't even realize what he was but I was really analyzing his behavior and when I would ask him why he would eat schnitzel it was just easy for him to do so, so he has really strong habit strength. Yes, whereas I don't have two days the same so you have a really low habits. Yeah. I'm really hatefully. Accessible I actually find routine a little bit suffocating. I like flexibility and spontaneity and so interesting Jenna because I like since looking at some of your research and I've been following you for a little while now, I've been asking this question of my clients and I would be interesting to hear what you say because a lot of my clients and I'm thinking about the audience listening and watching now when I ask them about their own habits strength, most people can figure it out like you asked, you know, We were talking about it. And I said I've got a high habits drink. Yeah, your partner has a high have a strength. You have a low your experience can people figure that out. Generally. Yes, although habits or automatic. We don't realize how many habits we do a day. You generally can tell on a spectrum if you are someone who likes spontaneity or someone who likes schedule. Yeah. Yeah, and that was really the are the runs. Yeah. So one of the fact is it depends how long it takes for you to create some new? Healthier habits is going to be your own personal habits strength. That's right. What's the other one? The other one is how complex the behavior is that you're trying to change? Okay. So if I was to say to you Glenn take a sip of water every time that you have breakfast, for example, that might only take you Twenty One days to develop got you. But if I was to say to you I want you to do 50 pushups every morning you'll be able to achieve that but it'll take a lot longer for you to feel that that's it's automatic and would almost feel strange if you didn't do it because it's a lot more of a complex Behavior than having a glass of water. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. So it's depending on your of your personal habits strength or flexibility. Yeah, and then also how simple or complex the new behaviors that's right. And so what sort of range do we end up with because I can hear our lawyers go. You got it. It's not 21 days it. What's the ballpark? Okay. I'll give you numbers. So it's actually anywhere between 18. Days to 250 for days. Wow. So you have desert there's a very small chance. It might be less than 21 days but a very large chance it's going to be a lot more. Yes. So there if you wanted an average is about 66 days. Okay, so give yourself 12 weeks to repeatedly do something before giving up on it and saying this isn't working and I think they'll probably be a lot of people who are watching and listening and thinking like, That long but I think that's quite empowering because I'm sure you've experienced this too. You've got a lot of people in your research. I'm sure that have done a lot of things and tried a lot of things before unsuccessfully. Yeah, and I feel like especially in that the health and fitness industry. We undersell things we make things seem so easy and that disempowers people to deal with the reality that sometimes habit change. Takes a long time. And so I'm sort of saying to Devers listening it that this information could be quite empowering and if you're thinking about creating a new habit think about well, how strong are my habits? My habits are really strong in this might take me a little bit longer. Yeah, and if I'm trying to do something that's quite complex then maybe this is going to take me a little while. Yeah, that's it. I think one of the comforting things that I tell people who have this reaction of all this is going to take me so long is Understanding that you only really need motivation to start a behavior. And then the more you repeat it the more natural it will feel in the more automatic that it will become so that level of self-control and motivation is really only needed at the beginning and then just with the consistency. It will get easier. It's not like it's going to be difficult the whole time gets easier and easier and eventually it feels strange if you don't do it if I was to say to you I want you to pick up the phone but not answer with saying hello. That's going to be really strange for you. Yeah, because you've been saying hello your whole life when you pick up the phone and and that's exactly the same with forming habit at the very beginning. It's like, you know, tying your shoe lace. For example, when you first learn to tie your shoelace your parents had to sing you a little song and you had to like really focus on how to do it and now you're doing it and thinking about something else at the same time. It's automatic just do it automatically, so it's not hard. It's really just the consistency of it. And it gets easier every day you perform a habit. It's easier than it was yesterday. So great take-home message every day. Every time you do it every day you do it. It just gets that little bit easier that little bit less motivation or help our that you need to keep it going. That's it. And that's a difference with behavior change because you're not building habits, you constantly need motivation and self control and we know that it's a fleeting resource, right? We don't have much self-control. Yeah. Yeah. I'm have it until it runs out. Yeah, and hence yo-yo dieting. Hence why New Year's resolutions will be forgotten by February because Behavior change isn't sustainable. So let's then get into your research on to talk specifically about the research you've done on habit change for weight loss and weight loss maintenance. Yeah. What did you do with these guys? And how is that different to the Big ol thing that most people would do one of those like a typical 12 week program or as I call them losers much weight as you can and get it all back with interest program yet. How is this program different? So we recruited 75 people from the community that had excess weight and wanted to reduce that and we split them up into three groups one group formed new habits one group broke old habits, and the third group was a weightless control. So in the forming habits group, We basically gave these participants 10 tips to do every day for the duration of the 12 weeks. Just ten simple baby steps. Yeah, the breaking habits group. They had an even stranger and intervention actually where we were sending them text messages through an algorithm that would give them random tasks to do every day. So things like drive a different way to work listen to a new genre of music and the reason that Breaking Habits works like that is because habits work in a web and if you break one habit it sort of breaks the chain. So you've heard the term autopilot. You kind of just going through the day you drive the same way to work you park in the similar spot you go up and make your coffee and eat the same breakfast at the same place. But if you were to drive a different way to work you actually create a place for mindfulness then when you get to work you can say do I feel like a copy or am I just having it because that's what II do right so that that breaking of the routine you're finding creates a mindfulness that then allows people to make more have more flexibility in their choices. Yes and make intuitive decisions. That was interesting because and again correct me if I'm wrong, but it seemed like from what I read in your research that the tasks you are getting the able to do in this breaking habit group weren't even necessarily tasks that are even related. Did to health or wait they weren't at all and that's what and it's funny because the participants were when they came and I sort of explained this program to them. They were like am I in the right place? So I mean I came for the weight loss program on like no. This is it you're in the right place because none of the tasks that she would die to exercise for later. They were all about General lifestyle, but it's amazing what happens when people have mindfulness and they break the autopilot because like we Were saying before if 45% of what we eat and drink is Mindless then bringing mindfulness into that changes that yeah, that's amazing. Yeah, and so what were the results you had the group that we had the ten top tips, which were habits that they were trying to do every day. Yep. And then you had the group that you are randomly text messaging to do randomly random thing is to create some mindfulness. They're both doing this for 12 weeks. That's right. So it was a 12-week program and we measured them. I guess we measured a whole lot of things before and after the 12 weeks and then we looked at them again 12 months after the research had finished. Yeah, so during the 12 and I guess that was the difference. It was like great we can all you know lose weight doing anything, but can we sustain that and that was my biggest interest. So although some of the participants lost quite a lot of weight during the 12 weeks. I was like, well Dan see me in a year you No, let's see what really happens. Yeah, because working in clinical practice before the yo-yo dieting and the put weight on lose weight. Put weight on again was just such a common occurrence, which is really it's the reason I started my research in the first place. So what we did then so after the 12 weeks the participants loss on average three and a half kilograms of after 12 weeks 12 weeks in both groups yet. Both groups were exactly the same really interesting because The ten top tips was very much centered around diet and exercise tips without giving diet and exercise direct advice. So what I mean by that is packing a healthy snack before you go out or eating from a smaller plate being more mindful those things were the tips and the had to really tick them off and and do each one of them as many times as they can. So it's three and a half kilos after the 12 weeks, but the fun part was actually looking at them a year after the study. And to see that the participants had not only maintained their weight but loss further wait a year after the programs had finished was mind-blowing. That's the modifying that is because it is a bit like I'm just gonna say what I'm thinking everyone is out this freaking their weight loss approaches and my clients come in the door. Sometimes almost sheepishly and that like they'll want to try this new thing and it might be proven to work in three months or six months and it kind of to me it means nothing. Yeah. It's like it doesn't eat like you said before you can lose weight a million ways and regain it all with interest and and and that's maybe part. The reason why when I saw your research, I had a similar experience to when I saw Peter stapleton's research on the tapping. Yeah, because it was one of those rare moments where you think wow, there's something going on for these people to yet lose a little bit of weight while they're in the treatment, but then it's quite special to then have people continue to lose weight after the treatments finish because normally people just regain they start regaining wait. Yeah, he clothes after you finish it. Has and all the participants had come to me after trying more than 10 diets, you know, they some of them were lifetime members of certain organizations where they were a constantly going back and forth in a CEO and so it was so amazing to see them after year and their continued to lose and I'd say to them what have you done in this time? And most of them didn't even realize that they kept losing weight because the habits have become so much part of Life, they didn't realize I was so doing those tips all those things that we told them to do, but I just become second nature, but that yeah lastik fantastic. So tell me and one thing I'm interested in is that these people no matter how you promoted the research they were coming in wanting a weight loss program. Yes. So you're giving people something that that I'm sure if you said the people People like a year later from now you're going to have lost some weight and then lost some more weight without really doing anything people go that's fantastic. But what did what happened when people started the trial because obviously very different thing and and I'm I'm probably asking also for selfish reasons because this is what we get in our 12 month transformation program, you know, the first Workshop people like one. Yeah, I'm not gonna like lose and we don't advertise it about what those are two things. I will But people will come in wanting that and I suppose expecting that and there's this almost this really this is gonna actually be about long-term. Yeah load change. Did you kind of get that effect with your research participants? Absolutely. I had the same response where people would go. So where's my meal plan? I mean, you're a dietitian are you I'm here for weight loss program. Isn't that what you do? And it's like yeah sure. So how many diets have worked for you before? Yep, let's maybe explore Be curious with something different. And so there was definitely this I guess universal shock Factor when the participants realized that there was no diet or exercise related to this program. Yeah. Well, I think one of the great things is that both the programs had at least one clinical trial prior to mine. And so it was really great to show them. Hey this does work, but of course the weight loss is very modest and and the Those were done in a different population group. So it wasn't completely transferable but I could say to them, you know habits affect your life. Let's just explore what would happen if we were to look at this instead of dieting. Yeah fantastic. So it was a sometimes a bit of a harder sell. Yeah, and maybe that's Jenna. Maybe that's why we don't look at at habits as much because it's it's not as sexy as saying that lose 10 kilos in 12 weeks. Yes. It's like let's slowly and our habits over the course of 12 weeks and then you'll lose a little bit of weight and then then another year will lose a little bit more. Yeah. Yeah, and that's said and I think it was really touching into that element of frustration of clients who had yo-yo dieted their whole life and it is so frustrating putting in so much effort and then putting the weight back on and so many people have been there and so I think the turning point for a lot of the participants was Them. Yes, this isn't sexy. I can't offer you ten kilograms of weight loss in the next two weeks. Yeah, but what I can offer you is that when you lose that weight, although slowly you will keep it off and you'll do so the next year and the next year and it's just that gradual loss each here, you know, imagine in five years time. If you just continue on this pattern is that not the way you know, what you want to achieve at the end of the day. It's kind of what I say to our guy. Guys that you know, the work isn't sexy. Yeah, the short-term results are not sexy but when you look into the long-term, that's kind of sexy. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, it's different. Yeah. This is the difference between habit and diets. Yeah fantastic fantastic. So let's talk about your research and the group that were that were making new habits. What do we need to know if we're looking to make some new habits? Okay, so we talked about the cube routine and reward of a habit. One of the most important things to do when you want to create a new habit is to find a cue. So instead of just saying I'm going to move my body more and be more active. Yep, which is a behavior change. Yep, and that's and a lot of us say it and if you did you feel great for it. I'm going to exercise more next. Sizemore, yeah, that's my goal. This is my New Year's resolution. I'm going to exercise more but how long are you going to feel motivated enough to exercise more? So associating with a Q is what changes our Behavior? Okay, that's what have it. Right. So what you would say instead of I'm going to exercise more it would be something along the lines of at 7:00 a.m. I'm going to put on my shoes and I'm going to walk for 30 minutes around the block. So then you know, yeah, it's a smart goal. So you're triggered by Then am it could also be, you know a time a different time or a place. So another really great Cube. My favorite cues are time or place. Yes, and guys just to reinforce. What dr. Clay I was saying since I heard you speak since the second time when you came in did the workshop for all of the health professionals with us. Yeah. I remember you talking about q and your favorite being time and place. Yeah, and since then I've used that with my clients, you know, sometimes I'll say you know you this Sort of person that previously I would have said you the sort of person that likes a routine or not so much but I think we all are creatures of habit whether we admit it or not. So some degree. Yeah, and so now what I say is okay, let's think of a time and a place that would be good for you and let's try and lock that in because you have its form in a web love and if we can create this time and place then there are so many things. You do have a Friday that you don't do it on Monday. You do them without thinking and your movement or whatever. The goal is going to be one of them except right? Absolutely. So think of someone who's trigger to have a coffee every morning at work when that person goes on holiday and that trigger is no longer there. Yeah, they don't feel the urge to have a coffee. They they do so if they want to but it's certainly not something they do every day. So when you're forming habits, it's really important to find a cue. And the other important thing to know about habits is consistency not intensity is important tell me about this. It's the secret sauce consistency. There are going to be so many people who listen to our work at the sovereignty of my clients thinking did Glenn just pay Cleo to like a sushi like a paid expert to say this, but it's doing All things if I was to say to you what can you do right now that you can commit to for the next six weeks. It's going to be something that's fairly Bitesize. So I call them micro habits my crabbit. Yeah like that. So you do something so small if you want to train for a 10k run you might literally start by put on your shoes and doing a 1K run or if you have someone that hasn't done any exercise at all. So we had a client recently never exercised and he wanted to lose some weight. So One of the things you want to do is exercise more and so I said to him all I want you to do is put on your shoes every day for the next week. That's it. You don't have to do anything else just put on your sneakers. Yeah, he had to find his shoes. It took a couple of days, but eventually he did that and then naturally he'd walk out to his letter box and then it was down the street and then once down the street felt automatic and natural he was then able to take that further and now it feels strange to him if he doesn't walk which is amazing because a few months. Cigar he didn't even know her shoes were so what do you say to people because when you know, we're talking now. We think that's awesome. He's on the way to developing healthier and healthier habits and it's kind of like they build on each other. So as he's got that Foundation of going down the street then he can start to layer it around the block yet. Liar it up on like those words fire it up. What do you say to because a lot of people, you know, if we're you know, we live in this diet culture where it is all or nothing and it's perfectionistic and it's the same with our eating as with our physical movement. There are always these extreme goals. And you know, if you're wanting to to lose weight the best in inverted commas the best way to do that is through extreme Behavior. So there's a lot of people who are thinking yeah, but getting my shoes on that's not going to burn many calories or Walking to the end of the street is not going to burn many calories or it's not even going to get my heart rate up. How did you or how do you sort of Coach people through what I imagine is that natural resistance to thinking well, this is just a tiny little thing. Yeah, and that definitely is a resistance because we want to get out there and feel that heart rate and I think if you're someone who does do some exercise already, you could take that further, you know, you gauge how small your micro habit is going to be but what I want to say to them is you're focusing on your results and we want to bring it back to focusing on the behavior change. Yeah, which even if it is just walking out to the letterbox and back is something that you weren't doing a week ago. And so once that forms into a habit, you've got such a great and solid foundation to then build on that because sometimes you come home from work you're so tired and there's every excuse in the world for you not to go out for a walk. But if walking is a habit no matter how you're feeling you're going to do it because it feels strange. If you don't ya isn't that fantastic focusing on the behavior and habit rather than the outcome. Yeah, and that's that's I think so often we pay lip service to that. I don't worry about the outcome or how much weight have you lost, you know, and but we really that the goal it undermines your ability to create new habits. That's right. So you're doing what I think. A lot of us say we're doing hmm. Is that fair to say? Yeah, I guess so. Yeah, I think so and I tell people this analogy which really helped so try this with your clients and tell me how you go. So when you think of the brain there's neural Pathways and neural pathway is will fire. When you perform Behavior, the more you perform a behavior the thicker then your pathway becomes think of it like a highway. Yep, the busy the road, you know, the More the bigger the road has to get yeah, and so when you give it to them in that way when you say hey, you just walking out to your letterbox is actually firing up the singer of pathway making it stronger. It's Paving the way for you to be able to do your 10k run. Yep, then they start to actually really value the small wins. Yes, and they understand that it is important to start small and then but they will get to their goal. Eventually. It just won't be in two weeks because we can't we're not a fad. Sort of fat so it requires some patience, but it is helpful for people to understand that they actually building new neural Pathways. So even if their heart rates not getting up to a certain amount or they're not puffing or sweating or even if they haven't, you know seen any health benefits from eating more fruit or veggies that actually strengthening those highways in their brain that are Paving the path to help you habits. Exactly and there's Ben I would say in my experience an equal number of clients who are wanting things to go quicker and really relieved that they don't have to put in such an intense amount of work. There are a lot of clients that say you mean I don't have to cut down 2,000 calories and I don't have to burn, you know, however much at the gym every day. It's like no absolutely not this is not what this is about is real upside. Yeah, and they feel I can do this, okay. I have enough self efficacy or enough self-belief to walk down the road. Yeah, and actually is really good for building that self-belief and slowly so guys self-efficacy psychologists turn. Sorry and what it means I think it's actually a real I was hoping we would talk about this book about because self-efficacy in psychologist language Albert bandura lure of self-efficacy basically says self-efficacy is your confidence at your ability to do a specific. Cific thing so I say to people I have a very high doing psychology self-advocacy. I think I'm pretty good at it. I get pretty good results. I have a very low cooking for eight people self-advocacy and one of the reasons why self-efficacy or confidence that you can do something is so important is because it's the best predictor of the best predictor of whether you're actually do it or not your self-efficacy and your motivation to do something inextricably linked. Yeah. In my research a million years ago the correlation between motivation and self-efficacy was 64 percent. Wow, so massive. Yeah massively and and what we're sort of saying is that a lot of people, you know, a lot of people listening and watching and a lot of people in your research and people in our practice. They've done five six seven failed things so you can understand why there is this Lack of self efficacy this lack of Confidence that I can actually get some results especially long-term results. But what we're doing here is we're not trying to build self-efficacy in doing the same thing. We're trying to build self-efficacy in actually doing something different. Hence the relief exactly. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely love that. Okay. So if we want to create new habits we got to do a couple of things. And so I want you guys out there listening and watching to have a think about this if I want. To create a new habit. I'm going to give myself a little bit of a breather and and not expect it to happen in 21 days depending on my habit strength and depending on how complex the behavior is and then I'm going to link that behavior to a cue. Yeah, which is going to then make it have a chance to become habit. Yeah, and I'm going to focus on consistency over intensity and that kind of means focusing. Actual habit change rather than the results which really do happen as a kind of a flow-on effect. Exactly. Okay and just having the micro habit starting small and building on that layering it up and knowing that that is doing something even if it's not something that's nutritionally important or physiologically important yet. You are creating new Pathways in the brain. Absolutely. All right, so I suppose create a you know, those those old Pathways in the brain are part of the reason. Why we get stuck in habits. Yeah, let's talk about how we break habits. So what did your research tell us and I think Breaking Habits, this is so interesting because like we were saying before habits for Mana web and so Breaking Habits becomes a sequence of events by doing one thing differently you then generate a whole new sequence of events that follow on from that that's so it makes sense to me. Yeah. Thanks fun as you know. Finn I've got bathroom Renovations. Yeah, so I've been out of my bedroom and I've still got a new bedroom and I'm using a new bathroom and sometimes it's so weird the mindfulness that's created because I'm not in my habits. I'm like, what do I do now? Oh, actually I brush my hand out. It's really weird. Yeah, but you have to think about it. Think about yeah because you're more mindful not automatic. And that would really frazzled. Someone who's quite I was going to say rigid but I should say scheduled. Like its tail. Okay. So there's two great ways to break an old habit. I call them restructuring and reprogramming. Okay, restructuring and reprogram. Yeah, so let's talk about restructuring. So because our habits are always cued by something by restructuring our environment. We actually take away a lot of those cues. So for example, one of my clients used to drive Into a fast food chain on her way home from work every day. She really struggled to stop doing this and we try to looking about her intentions and her values and her motivation and all of those things but she really struggled not to stop in there and then she realized that she was getting triggered by seeing the fast food chain at the site. Just seeing it was her trigger. That's right. So she would get you know around the corner and think not I'm not going to stop in there and as soon as she'd see it she drives stick. Straight in so I said to her why don't you just tried driving a different way home today? And she did that and she called me and she said I didn't even realize I forgot all about the fast food chain. Wow, so that thing that was like a magnet that was pulling her. Yeah into the fast-food actually was something of delete league on because the trigger wasn't there and so this is restructuring restructuring and this is not because I'm thinking some people will think okay, isn't that just the cheats way out? Or may not using my willpower but this is just understanding the way that our brains work and how we respond to those habit cues exactly and working smarter not harder. Yeah, and just I think the less just like performing a habit more increases than the neural pathway the less you do a behavior the less that neural pathway will trigger and so it's really just about creating an environment in your body in your mind that makes it easier for you later on. Because you don't have the strong habit. I think one thing to remember is when a habits and our intentions are not aligned a habits will often win when our habits and our intentions are not aligned. I'll have it too often. When yes, that's a great take home. So trying to fight against a habit is really difficult because intentions using a very intentional part of your mind it gets very Conscious mind but habits are using our subconscious part of our mind. Yeah, those two don't linked together. So trying to fight a subconscious Behavior by consciously thinking about it. It doesn't work send each move is they're going to work and so restructuring. Yes, it's cheating but it's only doing so until that habit has really died. Yeah, and then it's no doubt. You can then drive past the fast food chain and not feel triggered. Yeah. Okay. So what you're saying is in the same way that there is a strengthening of those mural Pathways and a development of those neural Pathways when you're creating a habit those old habits. Once we stop doing them those neural Pathways will weaken exactly right? Yes, so we'll get easier. Absolutely. Yeah. I think it's easier. So restructuring can also be walking into the house a different way. I know a lot of people will come home from work and go straight to the fridge. Yeah Suze walking into the house through a different door or going straight into the bedroom, for example instead of the Kitchen gone T bedroom have a shower get changed just do something different in that moment restructures that environment. So the so that's restructuring now reprogramming going back to Hugh routine reward. You want to reprogram a new routine from the same trigger same Q. Thank you. We're going to do a new routine exactly. So an example of this would be at 10 a.m. You are triggered to have say a cookie you go down to the cafeteria and you get a cookie at 10:00 a.m. So when 10 a.m. Comes along you can go down to the cafeteria. You can order a cookie if that's what you want to do in that time. But if you would prefer to have something else like a piece of fruit, for example, it's using that same trigger 10 a.m. To go down and consciously order an Apple. So using half that finite little bit of willpower that you have. Equally choosing it's not just a general. I'm going to eat healthier, but I'm going to say replace this 10 a.m. Cookie with 10 a.m. Piece of fruit. Exactly and you use that little bit of willpower to then create the new habit. Yeah. The thing with reprogramming is the reward has to be the same. Yes. That's what I was wondering because you've got there has to be a habit. Sorry behavior that is going to be rewarding to exactly Lee and if an apple ain't gonna cut it don't have the Apple. Yeah, I can hear a lot of events like the Apple cliche dietitian things that you just want to have a break at 10:00 a.m. That's cool the apples going to work for you. But if you are craving the cookie for something else whether it's a nostalgic thing or sugar thing the Apple won't cut it you'll probably eat the apple and then go For the cookie, right? So there what has to be similar yet to then identify. What is it that I'm actually doing this habit for what's the purpose? What's that self exactly and then match a different routine or different Behavior to that reward. Yeah. Fantastic. It's a little bit more complicated. I think reprogramming takes a little bit of thought and they compared to restructuring, but it's really powerful and I think it's a great Point. Dr. Cleo that you you have to really work. Work to make sure it is something rewarding. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I'm thinking this for is to stop myself from going to the pub so much. Yeah. I ended up rather than having Saturday afternoon these like, okay Saturday afternoon. I really like going for a walk along the river but going for a walk along. The river is nowhere near as fun as having beer with my mates. Yeah. So what I needed to do was actually booked myself these indulgent 90-minute massages, which what kind of care of yeses and did it work? Yeah, it worked like a charm and my right side of either like how can you pay $130 for a massage and I think that he's been as Ron Rudin is that you get so much reward from being at the spa doing your thing. And so that is going to be something you don't need much motivation for you want to do that you're happy to do. So the Idea of reprogramming instead of doing X dou Y is a good idea but we have to make sure that Y is going to be fun or give us similar or better to what ex gave us. Otherwise, we're in habit change mode and no certain Behavior change. Yes and not inhabit change, right? So then it's always going to be something that we have to continue working towards yeah forever, and eventually that that muscle of the willpower is going to Exactly, right and it's just not enjoyable, you know forming and I think changing habits is actually quite fun. It sounds tedious. But once you start doing it, it's great because you can see achievements every week because you're building on it. Yeah, and it is interesting to when you when you're doing something a little bit different or when you're changing the Q. I'm just thinking about my experience of being in this weird space where you don't have my bedroom or my bathroom is that other things are different like I'm watching less television. Ian and I think it's just I've created this mindfulness think okay. Well, this is what I normally do but I can kind of do anything that's amazing. Actually a lot of my participants said I watching way less television. I thought I never told you to do that, but because they would do something different often times. It would be listened to a different genre of music or different radio station on the way home. Yep, and they do that and then be just so simulated by that doing something different or just satisfied to read a book or so. I suppose that's another upside of I mean habits based work rather than doing like a traditional weight loss based workers. You can have a bit of fun with it. It's pressure but more fun. Yeah, definitely fun. I would say Breaking Habits. It's a bit more fun than for me have it got you but I think it depends on your individual personality. You're someone I think that would do really well with quite a structured program or forming you nervous. Yes, you give that to me. It's not gonna It's Not Gonna Fly for that long. I mean it will but it would just take me a lot longer to achieve automaticity where you just feel so natural with doing this new Behavior. So I'm sort of thinking dr. Clare with your work with the the forming habits and the ten top tips. You've got these 10 tips and we can post them will post a link to those what those 10 tips are but it sounds like the way you're working with people. It's really people can take from this and think. We'll what habit do I want to create and just a These principles to anyway, yeah, absolutely the tips were put together based on evidence of what we know works for weight management, but the magic really wasn't in the tips. The magic was in the consistently doing these really small Lifestyle Changes. Yeah, and for each person they're actually going to be completely different. So for me, for example, I know that if I don't have an afternoon snack I end up grazing before dinner, so I'll be making dinner and Next minute. I've had a cheese platter and you know a couple of wines because I'm peckish I'm hungry. Whereas if I have an afternoon snack that tends to taper that off and so one of my tips I guess that I do is I have an afternoon snack. Yeah. Now that wasn't one of the 10 tips as per se but that works for me. Okay. So each person will be different. So this is I've got a question from some of our Facebook group members cool, and I think you might have already answered that so Sarah asks, Where do you start with a lifelong habit or an addiction to food? There's so many layers to it. I start and stop with so many different approaches. I'm not winning food as a friend and an enemy. I've got so much resistance to tackling this. Where do I start? Mmm. I'm imagining that you're going to say just start with one. Thing I am. Yeah never try to change more than three habits at a time. Never change more than three. It's overwhelming. Yeah. Yeah, right great. I love that. And then how do we know this might sound like a silly question but because this is a work I'm starting to do with clients based on your research and learning from you is that it's like let's build a couple of habits then when they become second nature. Yeah, then we will start to go. Again, I love that rule out. I'm gonna start to remember. I think that's a great take I'm never more than three at a time. How do people know when something new has become a habit. Okay, so you will know when something's a habit when you no longer need to remind yourself to do it. Okay, and it would feel pretty strange if you didn't do it anymore. Yeah, see if we call it automaticity automaticity automaticity works. On a scale and you basically it starts off at the bottom and then it goes up and then you hit this point where it's like Yep. This would feel really weird if I didn't do this anymore. That's when you know, it's a hard time, you know to have yeah, then that's when you might move on to layer it up. Yeah exactly or even doing a completely new thing because you've already got this set if you're at that goal already move on to the next one. Yeah. I love it. I love it. Now Kenny asks, and I think you've already answered this too, but I'm going to I'm going to ask it anyway, because I think that a lot of people will be thinking. Okay? Yeah, but what are the things that I need to do? Yeah, Penny asks what to habits are the most important to work on for long-term weight management and good health. And how do you go about creating those? I won't I think I know what you're going to say. Yeah. What am I going to say? You took are you going to say? Are you going to say you have to look at your individual circumstances you figure out what works for you? I am look good. Yeah, good it. Yeah, it's not what has your idea? It's so interesting because this is like the work we do with say intuitive eating or finding the right type of movement that works for you as a unique individual is yeah. We naturally I think we want the answers and it sounds a bit a bit like a cop-out to go you have to do. Works for you, but it's really a reality it is. Yeah, I talked about this this book. It's actually over there called stretching scientifically and I bought it from a guy named Thomas Kurtz. I didn't buy from him. He's order and when I read it, I'm like, okay. What is the best way to stretch to become more flexible? How long you know how many repetitions what's yeah and in it was about to region into us how many repetitions do I need to be more flexible exactly. I like how long what is the exercise of They static or dynamic if the dynamic how many swing throughs on it, but this damn annoying book and this is why I feel my clients pain because I'm naturally pretty black and white a lot of people that I see are but even if you're not diet culture creates black and white thinking people come in like they came into your program, what are the rules and so we're conditioned even if we're not naturally that way when it comes to eating and moving I think diet culture conditions us. To think that way but this darn book wouldn't give me the answers. I know it was about Glenn just you have to listen and see what the effect is on your body. And I think that's this is the work I now do with people when it comes to intuitive eating Glenn. What do I eat this time? Well, we need to look at what your body likes and what makes it feel full and satisfied and energized and not sluggish or hungry half an hour. Exactly and this is the Sev. I think what you're doing is no perfect habits you chose. Then that made a lot of sense and the were research base but really people can look at anything that they would like to do. Yeah, and it's hard to give somebody that answer as well because each individual's completely different we have different ways of how we're going to respond to food of how I body metabolizes certain food. What makes us feel full and what doesn't I mean you and I can eat the same meal and I might be hungry an hour later and it's kept you for for a long time. That's okay, you know, our bodies are different so to be able to To tell you eat this and eat that won't work for you. You have to figure that out. I think fundamentally though eating foods that are more nourishing. So anything that really is just grown Rome's swims or flies, you know, whatever is is the natural like Whole Foods and doing so mindfully if you eating mindfully, you won't be having ice cream for breakfast because you know, that doesn't make you feel good half an hour an hour. Our two hours later. Yeah, right. So I think fundamentally, it's how do I eat more nourishing food? And how do I move my body more? I like that and that's interesting. You should should raise those two points. How do I eat more nourishing food? And how do I move my body more? Because I feel like it would be interesting to get your thoughts that a lot of people find it harder to break old eating habits then to form new eating habits and often. I think when you form new eating habits like eating Something that what did you say is that that grows? I just made that up but that's Rome's swims or flies grows rights and Ventures as you've heard that because I've seen research. For example where a family has been asked, you know, the families have been broken into two conditions and in one condition, they're told to eat less Salt Fat and sugar. GE and in the other condition, they're told to eat more fruit lean protein and vegetables and the results were better for the the group that were told to eat more. Yeah. So what do you think about that I guess taking away from what you should be eating or shouldn't be eating that mentality of taking something away from you makes you feel deprived of it. And then you kind of crave it more when you put a faux fur defect they fit whatever fruit effect exactly when Focusing on putting more into your diet but more nourishing food. You're naturally going to crowd out some of the other foods that you wouldn't be have it and you don't want to be having any way so funny jeni use those words because I was doing a video with our mate Linda Cohen the nutritionist and that's one of the things she talks about is adding not subtracting and she calls it crowding. Oh, there you go. Go Lindy become so and also, When you're forming new habits, you're essentially breaking old ones as well. Absolutely you creating a new structure you're creating a new lifestyle really by the end of doing a whole bunch of new things. And so if you're eating more fruit and vegetables, for example, you are going to be breaking habits of eating less nourishing food, if that if that's the goal that you're wanting to achieve that's exactly what they found in that research. Yeah that just by telling people to or encouraging people to eat more fruit. A slain mates they ended up having less sugar. Anyway, so I think I think it also comes back to you know, we were talking before about focusing on the habits and not the results. It's what you focus on right? It's where that's your direction. Absolutely if you're focusing on fruit and vegetables that's going to be your direction and an adding more of that nourishing food into your body. Yeah. I absolutely love that. I absolutely love that. So I feel like you've answered all of our questions. Questions. Okay. Is there anything else that we need to know before we finish up? So I want to ask you about what's going on for you? Because you've got lots of million exciting things. Yeah coming up. Yeah, you know what? I would say that there aren't good habits or bad habits habits are neutral and it's whether those habits are taking us towards or away from our goals that they then need to change if you think of it because sometimes people Can demonize have it's a little bit especially if they have a lot of habits that aren't serving them. Yeah, but it when you think about it, we make over 35,000 decisions every single day. And if you had to make each one of those decisions consciously you would be absolutely spent at the end of the day to have a terrible friend. If it's our oh right and habits make our life automatic in a way that we can walk without having to think of every step like we did when we were babies and we can tie a shoe. Oh, that's why we're doing something else and so habits are actually a really powerful resource to be able if they're channeled in the right direction and also know that whatever stage of life you're in habits can be changed. It doesn't matter. If you're 80 years old or 18 years old. It's not you can't teach an old dog new tricks. Absolutely not no habits can definitely be changed. Your brain is a muscle it essentially works in the same way. And the more you use your a pathway so stronger, they'll get and the less you use them. The weekend though again, and I think that that sort of a call to be able to have a little bit of compassion for themselves because when you talk about that Q routine reward these habits they obviously it's a psychological cliche, but they did develop for a reason so there is a reason it's not just that you're lazy or you've got no willpower or you're stupid or whatever it is and at now might be the case that you just need to redirect those habits. Exactly. Yeah now I I just thought about something Gina which I think is really important to talk about because I get the feeling that I'm talking to you as every time I talk to you. I'm really excited and this stuff just makes more and more sense. Every time I talk to you. I'm sure that a lot of people are really excited to get out there and change some habits. So wherever you're watching this or you're listening to this, let us know how you went with changing a habit. Give it a go put some of this stuff in practice and see how it goes. But again, I'm mindful that we don't oversell these things and I was just thinking about you know, those brain Pathways that you were talking about and they take a while to change. Yeah. So what do you say to people who fall down because I think Falling Down is probably a natural part of this process. Absolutely if you think about habits are automatic, right your sometimes halfway through doing something before you realize you're doing it totally and it's just having that Like you said to say, you know, I'm a human. This is something I've been doing for a really long time. I'm not going to break this overnight and just having that that Grace to know that habits are going to be two steps forward one step back. But that is a part of the process part of the process. You're not doing anything wrong. Yeah, you know, that's why I say to people if you if you having these this to step forward one step back or you're falling down all that really says to us, you know, people beat themselves up about that a lot. But all it really says to us is that you play in the game you're on track. Actually because that's exactly what you should be doing. Yes, and if you weren't doing that then whatever if you're just gunning through you're not really changing habits because you're having to use self-control and motivation and so falling down expect it. It's what I would say, it's baby defined that you're doing a good job. Yeah, but just monitor yourself and I think I think setbacks the I think the difference between people that don't pick themselves back up in the people. do is it's the if when and how quickly you get back up if when and how quickly if you're someone who has a setback and then you kind of wallow in the sorrowful place for a while, you know, you've actually wasted a whole few days of not performing this new habit when you could just get back up and do it even if not as big so if for example if you want to exercise more and you haven't been doing so then even if you do, Do five minute walk at least you've sought fired off that neural pathway. Great. Yeah just doing a little bit. So falling off the wagon doesn't mean you're out of the habit or it just means you're not yet created the yeah that habit at that strength of habit. Yeah particular thing, but it will come but it will come. Yes. Very cool. Now I know because we've talked about this previously that something it is really important is accountability in creating habits. I remember me telling you Recently about my writing and you said because I'm writing a book and you said Glenn you gotta write every day and I haven't written every day, but I've come closer because I knew that you were going to speak to me and I thought practically I was going to ask me how that writing is he going the accountability is really helpful. Yes, so I'm interested to hear about this program that you have with the coaching because you're basically teaching Group of coaches in the state's. Yeah. Well the worldwide worldwide. Yeah. So in our study we saw that the people that had accountability and by that I was giving them a phone call each week lost twice as much weight as the people that didn't have the phone calls and we know from research that accountability super important and I couldn't replicate myself or my research assistants you making a million. Yeah, I couldn't do that. So what we've done is we've created. Needed a program called some Santos and that means I am healthy in Latin. So it's an affirmation as well. I wonder what that means some Santos. So I've now trained over a hundred coaches around the world and there's more each week in the principles of habit change and we've taught them a 12-month program and each month. They present a new module to their clients and the cool thing is the coaches are now calling the Clients every week and they're meeting face to face on a monthly basis. There's also groups or one-on-ones. It depends what the client wants and it is amazing because the clients have been giving that same feedback. I knew you would call and so I made sure I did all my tics this week. So what's happening is they really focusing on the behavior change because they don't want to let the coach down and we know through science that that extrinsic motivation that doing something for someone else. Is actually stronger than having that personal accountability because if you are going to do something for your own self, it's easy to go start on the new year. I start on Monday because you know, you can't start any new Behavior change unless it's Monday, right? Whereas if you're doing it for someone else. You don't want to let him down. It's like having a gym a gym buddy. Like it's exactly what I was thinking. Yeah Zach. It's the reason why we have gym buddies. Yeah. Yep figures. Sometimes that pulled to not let someone else down is more important than the pool. To not let us down exactly and that doesn't mean like psychologists can be quick to pathologize that like, oh that doesn't mean that you love yourself enough or but really we're just talking about natural human behavior and psyche. This is how it is. Don't fight it people just roll with it just can't support. Yeah. That's what whenever I have clients come in the door and they want to do regular work and build some momentum. You know, I'm a big fan of working with dietitians. I say look you really want to be seeing myself or the diet. You're not laced every week. Yeah, and that could be just the accountability. You might not even be saying anything that good crew and one of my mentors it's like Glenn. He said I could still hear his voice. He said Glenn. We like to think it is our technique you like to think it's all of the studies we read but half of it is we are just pumping up people's tires. Yes, and that's great. Yeah, that's the natural psyches that we vote. Most of us only have about a week in us. So I think that's a really Good take I'm don't rely on Willpower to keep going and then wonder why the wheels have all fallen off to get the support you need and so we're going to provide links to this because this is something that people can access this program. Yep. Absolutely provide the links for this in in the show notes. Is there a website at the moment if you jump on some Santos.com? Yeah. Well you can jump on my website. Dr. Gina clear.com Yep. They're both link straight to their perfect. So some Santos.com and how do we spell that? Um for Mary. Yep, SC S A MOS. Oh wait, I got this gonna read it. It will pick up that I've got it. I've got it here, but I've written it wrong. All right son. There's no no it's so I should know my phonetic who alphabet but it's um, yeah, sa NOS got you.com.com or you can go to dr. Gina Cleo.com. Dr. Jana Cleo, which is www.ge.com a CLE oh.com. That's it. Yeah cool. You can also while we're connecting you with Jenna because there is going to be a lot of people that are going to want to reach out to you. What's your Instagram handle? Dr. Dana Clair's? Dr. Jana Cleo easiest thing in the world follow. Dr. Gina on Instagram. Now, the other thing that I wanted to talk to you about is coming up you are creating an online habit change program of your own. Yes. So tell us about that so The some saunas program is an amazing 12-month program. But yeah Big program some people don't want that huge Affair commitment. Although I recommend it because they get that one-on-one support but there's a 12-8 12-week program coming out called habits for Change and that program will come out in 2019 and it's basically all the principles that we've spoken about but helping somebody move towards their goals using their habits rather than Our chain fantastic fantasy. Thanks. So again, this 12 modules and everything from Mindful eating to movement to the intention Behavior Gap why we want to do something but we end up doing something else and really explaining the mechanisms around that fantastic. Yes. That's so great. So you're really applying this habit changed all of the things that people want to do differently to take better care of their health. Exactly. So again, you can go to to Gina's website for that and we'll provide some links. In the show notes to that come now. Dr. Janet you got to tell me because I think you I heard on the Grapevine. You've got two other crazy things coming up and you told me about one of them briefly the have it change Institute. Yes, but then if we're allowed to let the cat out of the bag, you gotta tell us about the other one too. Okay, so really briefly that habit change Institute, I'm creating for health professionals who are in the field and they're wanting to change health behavior, but not understanding the difference between behaviors and habits. So really instilling that long-term change into people. So that's briefly that Institute now and this institute will be about All sorts of habits. Yes. Yes it will. Yes. Thank you. So it would be relevant to anything from business habits to relationship habits to you know health habits. It's anything really in your life that you want to improve on. Yeah, but you want to do so long term. Yeah, so will provide links to that too because we do have a lot of health professionals that that listen or watch the show. Well, it's not ready yet, but it's definitely in the works about the time that you hear this. It'll be in the word in the works. And also I've got to put it out. They're these guys will be having a laugh. I think this habit change program is going to be awesome. So I'm going to talk with you later and see if we can organize a sneaky discount for our audience. Oh cool. Yes. I think I've eaten something it out audience would love to get into and it's just a I think we are doing a little bit of it more of it due to your work, but there's nothing like learning from the master. I think you so well, thank you in advance for the discounting a nice and doing that public. I like that but I thought to myself. Okay, the last one the last one so big as you know, we in you said earlier, there's been a lot of media and a lot of interest for what we want to do but not everybody wants to pick up a medical literature article and read through that. We're not all research gigs. Not all research Geeks. Yeah. And so I feel like it's only a natural progression to write a book and a Sure. I finished my thesis. I thought that's it. I'm never running running again a hundred thousand words done, but there's just been so much interest and I feel almost a liability to do that. So they'll be a book yet be a book coming out. I'm not going to put a timeline to it, but I will be writing every day. We checking on you we checking on you. So I get the Habit change book will really be bring it back to ex, you know starting from what is a habit and why do I have it? And how do I change it that'll really be the Crux of it and again relevant to any Behavior change. Yeah. So if you have liked what we're talking about today, you will love that book. Yeah. Yeah, very exciting that it's it's Janet not not to oversimplify. But with this new approach it is when you explain it. It's actually very simple it is if people can get their head around. Low pressure approach see it is a bit of fun. What they're actually doing is simpler. And that's the reason why I feel things like non dieting and enjoyable movement and habit change work better in the long term than what people mainly do because if you can wrap your head around it. It's actually a lot easier. That's very true. It is easier. It is such a relief to not have to do something in extreme, even though that's what we think we want to do. It's really not well, thank you. Dr. Claire for coming on the show. It's where so like-minded and I love speaking to like-minded people but also people who can extend on what we do. So there's a fantastic Gap there that that I know that everyone who's listening or is really going to benefit from and wherever you're watching or listening try to just see if you can break one habit or make one habit and using some of the things that you've learned today and we'll be here to provide you with a little bit of accountability. Yeah. Awesome. Thank you so much for being with Jenna and I I really do love how her work dovetails so beautifully with hours but it also adds something extra which I've found extremely helpful when working with my clients since the interview and I'm sure you'll find it really helpful to and I want to invite you to get further involved with dr. Cleo's work. If you think it can help you the some sign off program is excellent. I've had a few clients do it since Interview and they really do love it, especially that regular accountability with the phone chats and in-person meetings to keep them on track the website to check out for that program is www.samsung.com s um Samo s.com now, dr. Jean is own program isn't out just yet, but it is on the way. And I've had a sneak peek at the modules and let me tell you it's gonna be pretty cool so you can stay in touch with that by visiting Gina's website, which is www.hyken.com GI n a CLE oh.com. Dr. Gina Cleo.com. And if it's not up when you listen to this just sign up for her newsletter, so you'll know as soon as it's ready. Thank you so much for tuning into the Glen McIntosh. Are I am yours in Breaking old habits that no longer serve you and creating some new ones that do and I'll look forward to seeing you really soon.

Research suggests that half of everything we do is habitual. But most attempts to improve our health actually focus on changing behaviours rather than habits, meaning we still need to consciously use effort and willpower in order to continue our improvements into the long-term. Our next guest has identified this huge problem and made it her life’s work to research some amazingly simple ways to create healthy habits that last for life. In this playful and lively interview, Australia’s only full-time habits researcher Dr Gina Cleo and I discuss: - The difference between behaviours and habits. - Setting the record straight on how long it takes to create a habit. - Gina likes variety, Glenn likes routine (and what this means for you!) - You only need motivation to get started (habits keep you going!) - Changing habits WITHOUT a diet or exercise plan (no yo-yo!) - How habit change is NOT sexy, but it IS life-changing. - Creating micro-habits to re-wire the brain’s pathways. - Breaking habits through ‘restructuring’ and ‘reprogramming’. - How to make new habits that are as rewarding as old habits! Selected Links from Podcast: Pre-Order Thinsanity: https://www.weightmanagementpsychology.com.au/thinsanity Sum Sanos Program: https://www.sumsanos.com/ Dr. Gina’s Website: https://www.drginacleo.com/ The Ten Top Tips: http://www.weightconcern.org.uk/sites/all/themes/weightcon/images/OriginalTTTLeaflet.pdf Video with Lyndi Cohen about adding, not subtracting: https://www.weightmanagementpsychology.com.au/episode-34-combining-intuitive-eating-and-nutritious-eating/

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There? It is. Welcome one and all everybody's welcome here at The Challenge season 34 the Royal Rumble episode 9 on War of the Worlds to my name is Daniel Lindgren AKA. I'm not even going to say because you know who I am. Let's move on to my house over here Disney Jan. I said it. Anyways, we have a man here that drinks more water than a whale show me the water bottle you guys name is Benny Jay Adams team. H2O, what is this him? I drink that much water in a week. Wow. Amazing. Say hi to everyone. So guys, how's it going excited as usual to be here for another episode. Can't wait to talk about it. I am excited as well. Next on my list. I've got the birthday girl in town. It's basically her birthday week. She went away to Palm Springs. She's looking just beautiful tonight. Happy birthday. Wow. Thanks chick talked his need an ally. Mix them all together. Hey everybody. Oh my gosh, so I have to say that already looking at the live. I'll be on the live already checking it out. I'm not going to get there ahead of the game already feel I want people are saying so fantastic. We'll be there talking about that soon with you, but I'm on team live chat. I most agree with most of what everyone's saying. Alright and last but not least a man who works out every day. But tonight he's working out those vocal cords David. What up? Well, what's going on guys how we doing? There's so much to Like about I'm really exhausted. Yep. That's not good. All right, what you know, we have so much talk about guys tonight the episode that I thought was about to end then has like additional scenes to talk about if we have time we will be taking your calls for 2 4 3 5 4 8 3 0 2 if we get to you we were hoping to but first guys overall thoughts so much to talk about here solid episode. It was good super solid for me. Yeah, especially towards the end. It was really good. You know, it's bad when you thought it. Was ending the more drama was coming. So I liked it great Pam how many blouse Pam growls? My just overalls were that? I love Ashley. I'm so happy having her away from I know I know we'll just having her not with the lavender ladies is awesome camera wife ever team Kam Li I am so excited to see those two getting along again and Can't wait to get into all this you high drama. Give us so many hot takes that we're all going to have to either agree or disagree with but David. What do you got? Ah, I mean you guys you guys sit out. This episode was crazy. I feel like we watched the director's cut version of it because it just like kept going like it looks like it's not over yet. But there's so many different aspects that I loved about it. Like the whole turbo thing was hilarious. That was amazing. The whole truck thing. I to me was funny, especially with the girls have like, oh, I'm so sorry differences between men. Yeah, there is a I think a good variety you can make some this whole episode and it just it was entertaining. Oh, yeah. Sure. I've got two conspiracies tonight that we'll get to when we when we get out and I also want a fan conspiracy because someone wrote something very interesting on the YouTube feed from last week and I loved it and I enjoy a good conspiracy. So I will be sharing it with you guys later across to that person. You'll get a shout out in a little bit. Let's start with our vignette portion of the evening guys in the British guys. They get a meeting going and they start talking. About hey, you know even though it's just me Theo Jenny and Georgia versus all of you. We should really work as a team that feel starts this whole meeting. He ruins my dream of like the breaking that everybody up because he's trying to get this team to stay together, right? So what do you guys think of the Brits having that meeting because they are so divided just like everyone in this game is doesn't matter really that's what I'm saying is really matter. No, so I mean and as you saw the end of the episode, I mean everybody's out for themselves at the end of the day, they're just using each other, of course to get to the next step none of this really matters. Yeah, it doesn't matter for them because they never win so we can't tell if they would turn against themselves. We it doesn't even know it would matter. I think that it makes sense for Georgia and Theo who have proved themselves time and time again in The Proving Ground for them to say look. I'm not going to keep coming in and playing for a team that keeps throwing me in I get their take on it. You know, it's not like Kaylee who I like and everything, but I'm not trying to throw shade at her but it's not like she's seen an elimination or done anything. So, I don't know why the other Alliance other than Johson Rogan and D who are strong would want to go against not work with Theo Jenny and Georgia as far as a host. I think they're just trying to do whatever possible in order to win because they see they are a terrible team together. So anything that they can muster ER up they're gonna try and do unfortunately, they're learning the they're taking the bad page from the Americans Playbook of last year how they came in with all their baggage and we're a divided team and now the UK has their own baggage and they're doing the same thing. Yeah bummer which is so weird because they are a stacked team. Like there are almost every single person on there is is a good competitor. So I just don't get it. They mean a lot These challenges they could have gone either way, you know, so the Brits could have had a couple couple victories at least on their side and maybe there wouldn't be so much like we're awful in the u.s. Is the best especially with one tonight and we'll get to it later. It was very very close. Let's go into our the next portion of our vignette which is apparently a wrestling scene and Jordan Polly grabs Jordans junk at one point. We proved the producer student see that know, the producers are setting up here Jordan and Carmer hitting each other. That's all that but this was but we know that at the time really for later on any thoughts on this wrestling stuff. I thought it was I thought that cute oratory and car were kind of cute because I had seen teasers of that making it look like they would like want to fight me, you know a whole thing and they were actually having a friendly wrestling. I think that they get along too. Well except for they get along ish and I like that relationship and I kind of like hot Also Jordan and Polly's relationships along to who stole my take I do I think if it weren't for the girls that they would definitely get together and the end cool girls. It's Jordan and comfortable. That's I meant well with the girls they have it carved Holly's car. So Jordan can't hide from the like Polly fully and I feel the same with Cara and Tori. I feel like they I mean it look like they're kind of bonding to having fun with the wrestling thing. I almost feel like without each other significant other they might actually might actually get along. Yeah. Well Paulie said it best, you know, if they could just squash their differences, they could be like two very powerful probably definitely want some to squash so he can stop being in the middle of this whatever they'll say Jordan and I respect Polly's respective Jordan a good that makes sense like that. I do. All right. All right Pam your favorite topic. Here we go. Okay camera I back in Action you start what are your thoughts on that? I love it. I love it. #well, I didn't know that it was coming. I try not to have a spoilers especially what my favorite part the drama so I didn't know that that was coming and like Leroy, I'm surprised and didn't see it happening and couldn't be happier. They seem they seem to have a really from what we see. I feel like they have a really cute really real connection. They seem not saying they're in love and they're going to be together forever, but the way they joke with each other. ER is so cute and fun and I'm also loving just the way we're getting to see other people come out of their shell and different ways leave right not being bananas right hand man. Yeah. We're getting to see so much more of his personality and he's funny like, you know, everyone's always like Leroy is the best Leroy. He's the best and we don't really get to see it why everyone loves him so much. He always seems likable and nice, but now he's like uniting the team the way he flirts with Cam and jokes with her I think is really And cute and I think those two those two have something I'm here. I'm on board. He just seems like an all-around good guy. And I feel like that's what can meet. Ya all-around good guy and cam is the same goes for cam. She seems like an all-around good girl. So I think like they're perfect. Actually I like the way you know CT just broke it down at the I feel like yeah, but I like Leroy and I like ham so I like them together I say yes. Yes, I hope it works out but I like them both. So the big question though guys is did Leroy last more than 10 seconds because Kim's coming out. I don't know. Isn't she gonna drink a shit ton of water? If you're going to be running outside in the heat that they have their lives? Yes, and he's got water. I mean, obviously we didn't see a lot of what they're doing. We just saw Clips, but apparently, I mean I knew right away what it was just the heat exhaustion just obviously being dehydrated. That sucks that feelings got to be horrible. But yeah, you know just slap a few IVs and you'll be good. You'll be ready to go. Yeah, people always say like drink water and I'm always like I guess that would help but love come on. Absolutely. I'm drinking water. Yeah, if you're doing all that training like know right - yeah, and in that heat, yeah, it's just I've all right. Let's get to let's get to the challenge of the day, which is called Under Siege. You got a 60 foot container. It's going back and forth. There's puzzle pieces inside. You gotta get them on your side. Stick it on to that. Wonderful look like a BB honeycomb almost to me. I thought of honeycomb cereal. Yeah. Okay great awesome and the ground is covered in chalk. Which is we need which is not good makes it extra extra slippy slippy a house. Like this would be not slippery slippy slippy. Yes. Okay. So I love this challenge. I thought it was super fun. I wanted to be there so bad quick quick question. Do you think that those are a balls that they put in there, you know how they test it before hand. Yes. We tested it without the app balls. They were like, we need something in here. Everyone's got destroyed as they had but what I just thought like a balls I have anything that could have used they With AB balls, which are obviously nice and cushiony lesser cushions couch cushions. I'll try to think of other finally phonebloks not thrown in there. The challenge was fun. I didn't understand why it was so hard, but I guess it's because of the time that they actually were able to see the level. And put it. Yeah, and then you're either falling forward or something over on you. And by the way, there were 15 minutes to complete it. So that's a pretty good amount of time. It's not like they were given like five. Yeah, it's in there not struggling. It is the honeycomb structure. I was trying to think is the honeycomb structures hard to put together the boys. I don't even know the map on the side existed until a girl's mad because the boys like I'm gonna throw the girls actually notice the thing so I was like, well, maybe they'll actually get it then because they're looking at M. Yeah what the final puzzle supposed to look like far as the is love the contrast between the two of a guy just full testosterone and just bounce into each other. You know, one point who was a giass it throws a ball at turbo. Yeah, then you get the girls and they're just like, oh, I'm so sorry. I don't want to tell ya likely help you out which briefly the first conspiracy of the evening with Joss throwing a ball anybody get it besides me what? Hello Doris The Producers like Josh. Yes story on my god. Listen. Bo hello, we know turbos passing up a story like just in the producers nice work tonight, but I figured it out so far. What is Josh personality trait? So Jost that under under we're throwing a ball and what else he had as he said how does making big moves wearing UK under wearing throwing balls that Rascal that would be his kids intro package for next time. Good job. Just doing great. Love you anyway. Stressed out because I couldn't have done it and I completely I simply saw it sympathize with them as to why they couldn't do it. Yeah, it looked hard. I mean I would be scared as hell see you in CT flying at me and at 30 degree angle. I'm like no, I'm gonna I'm good. This is what I'm gonna hang out you just hanging out in there. I'm Jordan. Yeah Joe. I mean, yeah. Jordan said, he's like you have grown men flying and not Gary. Yeah, no good. No good can come from that. I had more thought. So what? When the girls went in for their first turn how smelly was it in there from the boys a closed container? No be Windows no circulation and they were dressed like the girl said disgusting. The girls was I matter how long they are that thing out for it between takes there but I bet it was great. Like what's in the best? Probably not enough. It's like the only moment I liked from you know, not my favorite Josh not Josh was do we do that? I liked his yeah. That was funny. Right? I had no idea. That thing was and then Josh had a great you're right. Yeah, it was funny. Let me think. Okay. So look at the guys had to go to sudden death because the guys can't figure out the girls couldn't get its the guys had to go back in there and TJ put up 50 percent done for them. Now. Let me throw this final conspiracy at you as far as my conspiracies for the evening. It looked like it started like it start off whatever and then it went automatically to the US side first so they got to look at it first. As far as for the 50% on the u.s. At least that's what I was seeing when I was watching it. So in theory, I'm like aren't they getting a one up on how to solve this? Like when there was nothing on the thing I get it you're just trying to put pieces up there but it's 50% done already. You actually see what it's almost done and then all they had to do when it fell to them is just finish those couple pieces and then it went to the Brit side for their first time and they couldn't and then the u.s. Got a second try and they got to go set. You got it first look at the second time. So I just don't then u.s. Barely. One to a barely beat them. Why are the producers want the u.s. I'm not I'm not saying there is a producer's I'm just saying to me it's conspiracy like the big the u.s. Just got a better chance. I'm not saying the preachers want them to way because I don't see why the hell they would think that the US should win another one. I'm just saying that it seemed unfair. It seemed like a u.s. Advantage. That's all I'm saying. I'm not saying the producers want to do us to win. I mean Mommy, I don't know we're gonna have yeah, we can look into that. I feel like maybe it was flat and gave them a little level thing and then went there quickly and then when I mean who Was I mean it's definitely an advantage, you know, it's that's why I thought it's an adventure us if I'm if I'm wrong that I want Pam got very mad. This is a this is what we were watching Pam got very mad at Josh when he tried to give the girl some advice now mind you job. The girls said guys, is there any advice for us and Polly says first, you know, let one person speaking solve it and then Josh comes out and says, you know, you should take care of it. You should take care of his he thinks they're better at puzzles and Pam gets very mad at Josh. And Nepali, I'm very confused him. What is this hatred you have for jars. Well, I thought Polly was CT saying that I thought that was simply the weight. It was a or CT they get mad that's good advice for suggesting to his teammates. I feel like you'd be good at this and you because you guys should focus on it because he's so mad at Josh. I love that. Josh is was here by default for one season and now it's my God. She knows everyone's strengths and weaknesses and he's the expert advice giver you're good at this your history. Pam you can redeem yourself. Now we got we got cam roid part do thoughts a showman been together for a very long time. What do you think of the bedroom scene? They say they were there forever. Just hanging out. I like to Leroy's move like I was like this and then he's made the joke. She was like, why are you being so nice to me tonight? He was like some morning. I think it's funny with her. They weren't there's a lot of cute kisses happening in that and that bottom bunk. Well, they talk to each other the way like it makes me. We get e watch oh my God talk to each other the way, you know when you're like, oh my God, I can't I like this person so much and they like me too and you're like honestly like I know you might hate this room is how I am with bear and Georgia. I love watching it. I think they really I just love watching it. Well, right but he is understandable person. So it takes a little bit knowing that but the joy away but they're flirting with each other. I do think is really cute with Georgia though. I think it's so sincere with him. I think that's he just turns it on with anything. Even though I think cam Leroy really bring it out of each other. So it's a little more Kim and Leroy needs to be like the next power couple. I think so interesting. Yeah, you got a couple words for the audience at home. Thank you guys for making us the ESPN a TV talk and in order for us to grow we need your help. So if you're on YouTube right now, go ahead and give us a thumbs up if you were on iTunes go ahead and give us A five-star we're going to AfterBuzz means so much to us and we just want to continue to learn and grow and give you guys amazing. Good content Pam. How's it looking - it's looking really good and forgive me. If I'm saying your name wrong Schoenherr Shawn are Smith is says thank you. Shauna Smith. I hate Josh. He was the star of calls and problems this season. The leader of the tribunal again. I don't like how they're doing this at all this season because I think the producers are like, oh, we don't really have a good reason why they're picking people. Let's just tell them that they pick that person and move on with it like they need to do something. What that is so boring what it's there should be more drama and gossip why someone wants or does not want to get it. But now that we know that they're going to pick the other team. It really doesn't matter in theory who the tribunal is they just have to go to extra little ceremony and sit there for 30 minutes. So it's ends up being Josh and he chooses Leroy Ninja for what reason we don't know and don't care moving on. Okay, and then I'll be get the tribunal and he just gets thrown right in there David. I'm making me laugh over there and I don't know you just you're a rookie go in Rogan's got the alliance so he could possibly go in but he can't because you got the alliance. So you just you're up you dress place going to pick not that someone said and we're seeing that more now because of what we saw but yes can't swim can't do puzzles. It's trick right there. Things are valid at this point someone. I don't remember who but someone said even his Alliance can't save him like he's that bad. He's not he's not he's good. Obviously, he's strong. Obviously, there's things he's good at he's probably a fierce athlete, but you have to be well-rounded and know how to do stupid. Parlor tricks sometimes and he's not but he took it really well though unlike other people on that team and the past he took it very well. He was like, you know what it's messed up but fine I'm going but who's he gonna get mad at them rise? So there's so few people left in this game. He really has two real. He knows that he is up. I just I know that No One's Gonna. I didn't trust him. I didn't realize he was as bad as he was he actually like they do these actually were valid points that I brought up like. Oh, you're right. Yeah. I mean, we kind of noticed like that he got tired real quick and we were confused about it because the boxer so he doesn't have maybe doesn't have the endurance. We know he can't swim because we did see that so many Challenge and we didn't know how we doing puzzles. And this was his first big puzzle so we can give them a little bit of like, okay was your first one it's okay, but he literally lost all concentration could not focus even get any of it done. So even when they were telling him so he couldn't find out what they were saying get the L shaped block and he was looking at the yeah barbecue block. I'm like dude. That's how that an l and I understand when you are stressed. The adrenaline and scary dream. I got something you might build up over time competing like this like an ability to compete in that sort of format. Also, we knew he was going to be bad at puzzles because he disappeared during today's challenge was for as a puzzle. I thought he would break through the wall first. At least I gave him that I thought physically he might have more Shear strength. I mean, that was my normal weight and he's also got that long body to get that pressure through his long. Those long legs. I mean, they're hard to get buff because they're so like that's why issue I have is they're so damn tall. So what's his face Idris is called. It's just show more compact compact exactly to get through as well. Yeah. Yeah. A lot of there's a lot of romance on the show tonight guys, by the way, especially between two people feel and Polly. They basically made out. Yeah, unless you had more about the because we're not gonna get to that. We're going to get to the elimination later saying that the sure that he just was upset and bye. T and I get it to go and I'll throw that in he did say to CTU like a father to me because they they work under guidance together. They didn't really have a side. So I think he just thought more of seat. He's with me but really see teachers like I'm gonna float wherever I can until I get to the end Deidre. Sorry. Sorry bud and I felt bad for interest. I did. I want to clear that up. I felt like he wasn't expecting that and I feel bad idea to I don't know why CT lay it on so thick the whole that it was he called him Ted Bundy like with the creepy eyes and said Anytime behind his pillow like CT. He just an everyday thing. He was like an act during the show so you can then make fun of him behind his back. Like he just got called up and I don't know why you were talking to him snack I did because I didn't want the point. I know what is the comment that you just made how I felt betrayed and then maybe it was the guilt to see T. It was his conscience. Maybe you know, I mean kind of playing out because he didn't make me feel bad about it because they kind of were an alliance a little bit, you know, so that we know way I think give it a couple of Seasons. I think a jury's going to be a PC can G. It's always like this with the rookies rookies. Never do that. Well when it's won their first challenge, then they come back for Second third fourth. Yeah. Yeah kill it like no other agreed that he can get savvier and be a force to be reckoned with in the future now, he's definitely harder for rookies because they're gonna get so many more often and that that and you know and eliminations anything goes you the chance of coming back a 50-50 very slim. This is about turning point though. Now, we're at the halfway a little over halfway where it starts all the people that have sort of coasted along and they're gonna start getting. Yeah. He made it pretty far. So cool. A lot of people that are that I would say are better competitors than him. So yeah, I mean there's nothing keeping Sam the first week. So that was great. Yeah. You also know who's also made it this far. No, you know, who's also still made it this far though him Josh. Let's get back to the romance of Theo and Holly. I have a summary actually wrote down a Of their fight if you guys want to hear it. Okay. It's a three-parter here feel started it they kiss the end. It happened Georgia. How funny was Georgia was like, I think it's wrong of security Ashley was like saying ever like was my spirit animal this episode. She was so fun. And Georgia wanted to keep this is really weird. Is the producers of made it so like if you even touch someone else you're going to get kicked out, they'll the producers are causing men to kiss when they're texting the straight on the challenge. Thank you producers. This is great as a as a side note to side Notes One. My new team cringe is not Polly and Cara, it's Polly and Theo that's your wine are just we need like memes and Gifts of that with his white wine, like he just started off. So so Debonair you noticed it in order for Theo to actually have Personality or a storyline he's got to be drinking. So I'm surprised the producers aren't giving him more drinks and that drinks and we're drinking I never gets to fight for me. It's especially here that I really you. Don't really hear much about it. Besides killing it on elimination. Yeah, I don't really hear much from Theo throughout these episodes. So he got his storyline you guys is it do you guys have sides for the skull for them? Okay, I feel bad for Theo that they voted that car who he feels is an ally voted him. And I feel like that's a sucky feeling beyond that last last May to the okay emanation that's got to feel jerky. And I always thought him in poly were cool. So I guess that was just because he was Cara's partner last season and then finally I love there's things I love about Holly and Cara but I have to say the whole my boyfriend. So you're my enemy is weird. I get that there. but it's like but you we know that we can be partners with someone one season and then you could be mortal enemies with them next week on the stories and Tory wouldn't say Saqqara, for instance. Oh you and Jordan have beef. Therefore. You're my enemy or to Turbo. I mean, nope. That's so immature. It just makes me feel like come on guys. I'm just torn with both of these guys because yeah Theo did start it. Yes, but Polly always falls for the bay and he grunts. Oh man, you just always feels like he has to like prove him. Right? So I'll say this Theo started it's technically Theo's fault, but you know finished it Polly finished it when he shouldn't just walk like the who cares. Saying he's talking smack to you saying I don't what was what do you feel says he's working. I think we working out drop that low blow though, which is really what set Polly off. What was it all about caught, you know Kyle hooking up with Raya. So I mean I was like the wall blow and that's what really I think set Polly. I mean, I don't know I think poly ya ya. I hate taking their side but like someone I'm going to verbally say something what I'm just gonna walk away right now. I can't walk away from alcohol. And I know is in there because I'm an idiot guys. I'm an idiot. I'm an idiot box boy on Tick-Tock. Here we go. Keep plug I just messing around but I really am. All right, let's move on. So yeah, they kiss anyone in your thoughts on that fight before we went. It wasn't really a fight little overly heated. It's like, all right, buddy. He could have left that off. I still liked the wood that he kissed him. I loved everybody else's reactions a million times more it was her car on his fights I've ever seen. Let's get let's get to the biggest waste of a scene that I've ever. Ever seen in my life on the challenge. So thank you producers don't think I just hate on the challengers. I'm hating on the producers tonight. You guys show a scene of Jordan talking to Zach telling himself that he wants to jump on you he wants to go again cedrus and then jump on the other side and be the first turncoat of the Season none of that needed to be in there. I understand you're trying to you know, get some more drama because it was kind of boring we knew it was either going to be Joss or feel basically going down there. So you got me it made me upset. It was such a waste. I was you you felt your Here because if you're going to throw something into that so juicy like that don't you want to at least kind of happened don't you want your until he's raised his hand on this. Whoa. Whoa teej wait a minute. I think I might need to go in and then not go in maybe at least do something with it. Well don't like that one. That was just a stir the pot. I know beside it wasn't even hold on. But to we don't know if that's going to happen in future episodes that can still happen. And as we see not against each other as we see I know but we've seen Jordan and Polly still have that Feud going on, you know what I mean? Still that reverie there so that can still potentially happen. It's just such a it's a very smart move on paper but it's a very risky / stupid move if you actually do it because it's not 100% Sure Jordan has a degree, but why are we even talking about it? Because it never technically even happened. He was just it was just people talking about it. I'm hoping for the sake of the producers that it was some sort of foreshadowing that will come into play at some point agreed. Ever on that plan and all their alliances. I have to say they're all kind of stupid because we don't know and they don't know what the move is going to be next. Like they're playing it that it's going to turn into some sort of, you know, individual game or combined and not teams and we don't know if that's true. The other is not so stupid is because a there's no guaranteeing you. Never know anything be his plan was for him and Tory to go into elimination win join the other team the other team. It's like so many variables but something like three episodes ahead know, they keep it to episode. Whatever. I don't remember anything like that far ahead. What if Corey what about next week's a girl elimination. So what if Tory goes in and then they all week Dennis Jordan and then fair enough if that actually goes down. I really don't think that Tori's gonna do that for you. Nominating herself to go in I can't Jordan doing is what a bad move. It's like that time that Jordan volunteered himself against bananas, but he won right? No bananas. That's why you think Jordan wants to do that twice. No, however, maybe the foreshadow because it all was that Jordan does rub people the wrong way and make boneheaded Lee aggressive move sometimes so maybe they put that In to remind us of that that Jordan sometimes lets his ego. Get the best of him. I'm not sure. Yeah. All right. Let's get to this point. Let's get to The Proving Ground and it's called Break Free. They got to swing from pedestal breakthrough wall and then solve a puzzle. Theo destroyed him Theo's killing it. I got to give him props where props are due. Uh, he's doing his thing on eliminations and all he has no, I don't know the argument against it because he's winning every time and buy a nice margin, so and I thought my thoughts were Boring before we continue one of the ways we keep all these shows for you free is by our amazing sponsors. And today Spotify is one of our sponsors on Spotify. You can listen to all of your favorite artists and podcasts in one place for free. You don't even need a premium account Spotify is a huge catalogue of podcasts on every topic including the one you're listening to right now on Spotify. You can follow your favorite podcast. So you don't miss an episode premium users can even download episodes to listen to offline wherever they are and you can easily share what you're listening to with all your friends. Ends and following on Instagram. You haven't done so already be sure to download the Spotify app and search for AfterBuzz TV on Spotify or browse podcasts in the your library tab. Also, make sure you follow us you never miss an episode of AfterBuzz TV. I mean, yeah. I just I think we all knew that he was going to win no offense to you dress, but I you know, I come on like I was once they set the I was like, I'm not really interested now, but if any guy who went in could either is have beat have beat him. That's the question. I don't think there's gonna be I wouldn't I stopped and I still would like to see what Rogan do I'm not kidding. I feel like he would have the best chance against Rogan. It's not that good that goddamn a lion's mane is getting stronger and stronger every week. No, not with me. How many are coming back? Yes get to Josh and the nominations. Okay, ninja and Leroy both want vo Josh Josh wants Joss. That's fun to say and the reason Josh wants Joss is so that there won't be if because if Theo goes in and he loses Has then car and Polly's alliance with the UK will be even stronger. That's why he wants to make sure that Theo stays up there because Theo's Alliance is much smaller. He wants to keep him safe and easy dress is dead weight. I guess he doesn't go. I'm sorry. No my progress. Yes. Yes, so that's why I just happening. So they want to keep them for those reasons. Yes. I just didn't understand why I mean I understood all that. Yes. I don't understand why Josh? Yeah got so. Escalated and he did and crazy. I do think he's the craziest drama queen. I don't know why you can turbo tonight. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah provocation turbo this it's like you guys are like wait what it's not like they lied or went back on their words or that they had agreed to pick someone. It's like we wanted him. We wanted him. We brought it to the team. So why can't Josh said you just said the truth he acted it's not the truth. He acted like they were betraying Packed they have inside pietrangelo did like that he acted so you want to turn against you're doing it's like they didn't betray anyone or I just think Josh knows what's going on with everyone else that was going on as it doesn't does right? So he's calling them out for the fact that you're really not working with your team. You're working. Why would it would in theory in theory? It's it doesn't really matter, right? They're both good you're getting rid of someone on their team. Who cares? Yes, but the Lions on the UK is hurting even more now or would have hurt even more feel went home. So that's why Josh wanted to keep him. Right and I think that's also it is it's not right. It's whatever but I'm always mad. It's the opposite Theo wants the other state is on right but yeah feels like it's our UK is very small. It only has two other people. He goes home that Alliance is down to two and poly car got a Stranglehold of the rest of the UK people. Right? But all of that is stupid because we have no idea how that's going to Down so who cares? I'm just telling you what the odds are I don't care either way. They became a turncoat then USA would have the numbers and be the winning team. So that's what the ocean and done. Well, if you can't do that though now because too many people voted him in he died like ninja now he don't like Leroy because they voted him in that's why he went back. Yeah, Molly whatever but he'd still have more he'd still have a majority and it still be on a winning team. I would have if I were theater, I just want to see someone jumped ship got darn it, seriously, so - do it Jordan to do but did not raise his hand for do producers for nothing. All right, let's get to who cares about the rest. He just goes on let's get to the big fight because I know Pam's very excited and we've and I'll start you off Pam because I agree with you here. Jordan makes a super dumb comment Tu Cara that's what exactly what I wrote down and it is so this is what happens car comes into the room and says Polly you ready to workout. Piyo is like, yeah, and then Leroy makes it joking cute. With Camp because they're so cute tonight. Hey, cam you going to put on your workout clothes? And apparently she doesn't work out as probably as much as the others and she's all I've been thinking about it. Jordan says well, maybe you know, yeah thinking about it really gives your cardiovascular health and which is fine because campus and work out that much. It's a cute whatever it's fun. And then he says to Cara. Yeah you to you Carl runs a ton. She works so much. So Jordan, what the hell is this? I don't understand what the low what the Dig was mad. At least if you're gonna do a dig make it a fact and Jordan says all I do is speak facts, which later on he does about A bow which I agree with he does speak affected turbo did not perform. Well, or he didn't think for a while in the container thing, but you're not speaking facts to Cara Jordan. So your what's going on, but it's a dick for sure. It was a dig. I mean, obviously they have their issues and but make the Dig A truthful. That's all I'm trying to say. Yeah. I'm going to make a dick at all. It was unnecessary. It really was he just wanted to get under her skin, right it worked and he knows how to do that. You know, it's not do it. Well, yeah. On this topic, I will say number one. I don't think she had all the facts but I do think Tori throughout all of this was the voice of reason I do think she's reasonable again. You can be in a couple of not be a banana head because of your your significant other. I thought Tori was right. She just didn't have all the information. So it starts with Jordan doing that car gets fired up. Also this this this episode was cut all that like Tory's the best runner like that's how Like I can't run with you Tori and I must so maybe he was saying compared to Tory and his mind and he knew that would needle party that I'm giving the producers and the editing more credit because it was D passed out. She couldn't keep up with Tori. Georgia said I can't keep up with you and I'm a runner and whatever so then he makes that comment about running so car gets pissed Ashley Desai and starts then Kurt. What's his name Jordan starts talking. Going about Ocasek are saying I don't need to prove myself to you. You don't even think turbos good and he won the hardest challenge ever. So that's what gets Jordan talking about turbo to which Ashley as the brilliant light bulb ding. I'm gonna go tell turbo which is just smart. How is that? How is that smart? Because it's the US fighting against the u.s. Right now and she's going to tell someone to make it even worse. Why is that smart surprise? Lies a smart because you said yeah, you loved her tonight. I didn't greet her tonight. And I think it was smart because she a wants if turbo was officially on if it was turbo Paulie cam. Okay Ashley they would have so the numbers that it would be great. The only reason Jordans acting out like this and being such a provocateur for lack of a better word is because he's trying he's mad but they're not on a hisle that people aren't under his Alliance. I 100% disagree. All right, I will always give Ashley props for being a good competitor, but I'm not I don't agree with her that that was I don't even think she did it as a smart move. She even said she was bored right? I guess. I honestly think she just did it to cause drama. She's literally says oh no, I'm really good friends with turbo. You ain't good friends with turbo. I never do it to stir the pot. You're not doing a hundred percent. So of camel ear I are an item now, so he's going to vote with them and stupid job. Just acting the way he does towards Leroy freaking out at him for making his own decision, which had nothing to do with Pauly again. I don't think Leroy's under Paulie's command at all. I think they'll thought this is my best vote and did it and it was weird that Josh reacted that way to Leroy who's not in team poly. Sorry, I'm interrupting myself, but then so then those guys really have the number and then it's really Torre Jordan Zach and nany and that's it against everyone else the more people you have on your team the better. Or if they are going to start when it does start getting dirty and and people start turning against each other. I think Ashley had two motives one boredom to turbo on her team. Yeah, and I just think it was and I then so Jordan and turbo start fighting and I mean the main reason they're funny because Jordan says a fact about your well maybe turbo isn't as strong as we had a great rookie season. We talk about real he's never making it to the finals. He won the goddamn thing, so they're giving props there for sure, but maybe true Is showing some weaknesses throughout the season which he is swimming is not the best. We don't really know how he is with puzzles. He may be doesn't have much endurance just because I mean literally Polly Polly confirmed what Jordan said which was when they were trying to rip the puzzle piece up turbo said, I'm can't I'm tired and Jordan was like this was even that much of an endurance. We just had to kind of like let our body weight slide to the other side and then run back here Zelena. This is where it's interesting because I wonder if it's just a matter of Turbo Lettin off the gas. In the offseason because we clearly saw the guy has endurance with that last crazy challenge. He obviously does so maybe you just got out of shape a little bit let off a little bit. But yeah, it's been here for like two months though that are you not running every day tomorrow. Yeah running on the treadmill. I think it's just a clash of egos Jordan won his challenge, you know turbos one his I think it's one of those things were Jordans like no. I'm the man. I want to be the man and then you know turbo is so they just To get at him. I think Jordan just feels threatened. But yes, it's turbo. I'm sorry turbo is not weak whatsoever because before the challenge he was on Survivor. He won both of those Seasons from what I hear. So in Survivor, it's just like kind of like a challenge they go through challenges, you know, he's not as well. I don't know friends and interesting what I want to say. Maybe he's maybe jealous that everyone thinks that turbos the best when Jordan really does in his head that think he's the best so I think that Jordan Like why does this why does everyone think he's so good? I think I'm better than him and he Jordan wants to point out all the times that turbo wasn't so good to make himself a better competitor in the eyes of the other Challengers are just machines and wants Jordan has a big ego and Jordan whatever. That's how I think Jordan takes where he starts copying his walk and I think and we're laughing but like he's best mocking her bows not mocking anything about Jordan right and no one would and I never would have you guys ever was They're going to do what I want all if you've ever been knocked in a real, I'm your roommate. No, he's getting in his head which he clearly has and you see turbo hip are enough Breaking Point and if turbo that that's that guys like the turbo kicks back, right? That's another we guys like that. That's what you do because I'm that's when they make mistakes and that's what Jordan realizes wish number one. I wish we I wish Cara would never have let Jordan get to her I get this she takes this very seriously. A about offended her I get it when she we I'm just backtracking when she's like, what do I now do you want to fuck? It's like no card don't tours. Like what know? What are you talking about? This was back to my tour. He's the voice of reason. She's like, why is this? Why are you doing this? I wanted to go Tory. He started it the whole time. I don't know how much Tori heard of what he was saying to Cara and what he was saying the needling and I think Tori even not tour even knows. This side of Jordan and the challenge that's not the boy friend and partner that she knows and loves this side is like cocky and aggressive and arrogant and a Needler and someone that mocks people in a fight and that's just not cool and it'd be great. If you could not let him get under your skin, but apparently he knows how to do it and you know, he starts things. He can't finish. Hi. I don't want to cut you up and we have like zero time left. I wanted you to want at least one news and gossip guy. Let's go to news and gossip guys. Quick. Here we go. Yes. Alright. So the the list for the challenge 35 has been released. We have a lot of us have already seen it. There's a couple people not on it. And one of them is Polly and they gave a couple there's a whole list of weird reasons why he's not on and one of them is that he didn't pass his psychological examination and I um, and I don't know people are all arguing like, you know, that's why car didn't want to go on to now that Paul he's not going to go so she just decided to say no to it. So she's not on either and then apparently he was maybe possibly threatening people off season, but this is all just talking murmurs and talking another person said bananas went to producers and said that he feels unsafe somewhat with Paulie and he doesn't want Paulie on the next season and since bananas such a big figure the producer decided not to bring him back. The ban has jumped to Twitter and wrote. Came early this year looks like at MTV already put the Elf on the Shelf in regards to Polly. So there's his comment about it. There's just a whole bunch of up in the air why Paul? He's not there if Abram gets on and he passed that psych exam. How can Polly not like how crazy these producing poly is? Why do you guys think he's not there? It's just very basically they think MTV might have even just dropped polyol together like they don't even ever wanted to be able to Challenge again, what are your thoughts on this real quick? And then we'll wrap it up. They dropped them all together because they're like, why would they let him back on this season? He's great. He's great TV. I think there's something more that we don't know because he just doesn't add up because there have been people who have died. No way worse. I think Paulie and car going to be mercenaries. I think they're going to show up about I don't think car and Pauly are getting rid of so you think this is all being done just to keep the fans saying I can't put telling are not going to be on it. I know is if you saw the video that they said was threatening. He's like going he's like wrapping to something and doing like I'm going to get you. Well, that's what the guns thing or something right? That's another thing. They were saying it's it's there's a lot up in the air about the valuation. Who knows if that's true. It seems like there's been crazy or people on that's how much what do you have to do to pass a psych exam say, I'm okay to go and you're good. Like I understand that like how crazy could this list be that probably can't figure out how to pass this campaign on so many. Reality shows that it seems like if you don't fail on your 19th round, it's like there's like leading right? I think they're leaving very soon for his medical exam because it was I so that's disappointing. He he he went out to either an IG story of some kind. He's in a this is for you. He's in something hot tub. He has placed he has perfectly placed Suds right on his shoulder here very shirtless there. So if you want to watch it that it looks Sighing someone who I thought was by himself there and there was one of those typical I thought maybe some videos here from those. Yeah, he's cute. I don't know. What is it? I don't know if Paul he's playing us. I don't he does seem to be having a meltdown on social media like everything is like the Lions coming out as she goes to sleep. Everything sounds like there's a bunch of me but I say he's not here. We don't really know the reason I don't know if we'll ever know the truth and that's kind of sucks. But it is what it is. Yeah. All right. I'm wrapping this baby up at swaddle the baby. Here we go. My name is Daniel Lindgren. Thank you guys so much for joining us. You can follow me at idiot box Boys on The Tick Tock there. Yeah, so guys, I'm Benny Adams. You can find me on all social media at Benny Jay Adams and I am Pam gross. You can find me at Pamela groeschel and you guys out there we know, you know a lot about this stuff give us any news and gossip that you know, because I've been trying to follow this poly thing and get to the bottom of it and there's so much information misinformation if you can Twitter me some info about it. I would love to get to the bottom of This and you can find me guys on Instagram and David underscore Christopher underscore official or if it TV network again, thank you guys so much for hanging out with us staying up late. 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Luke Kuechly deciding to retire out of nowhere literally out of nowhere via social media video at the age of 28. This guy made 7 Pro bowls out of eight seasons that he played in the NFL. I think he has a run of all Pros as well. He's a guy that I got to meet at the Pro Bowl that was so interesting to me because he's like Clark Kent. That's the guy. Yeah. He's like Clark Kent you see him off the field. He has glasses on he's very quiet. What? Shakes your hand. Hi. How's it going? Very nice to meet you. I'm like Luke nice to meet you as well want the Boston College obviously has an incredibly big brain and then when he gets on the field, he flips a switch and becomes an absolute Maniac calling out the other teams play before they can even call It Go on sideline to sideline freak athlete the ability to will his team to victories once again, and after again, I mean, he was just a lightning rod on the football field a second coming of Urlacher and all these other linebackers that you learn to love growing up in football Luke. Kuechly was just a very very special football player now at the age of 28, he has decided to retire young he's made 50 plus million dollars already. Well congrats to Uncle Sam making 23 probably billion dollars out of that. So he has over 25 million dollars in the bank account that he is I assume saved and done proper things with because he's a business marketing degree from Boston College, which is not an easy school. And while I was watching and listening to his retirement video. Put out there, which I'm assuming by the way after we've gotten to know Luke Kuechly a little bit. We did some stuff with them at the Super Bowl and I'm at the Pro Bowl. I think he was in that room probably alone with that camera, by the way, he's not a guy who's comfortable or love speaking in front of a camera. He's not a guy that loves a lot of attention. He just loves the football and I think he loves his teammates. So whenever he started speaking and he was talking about how he wanted to retire. I think the part that really got to me was about a minute 30 into this speech. He starts talking about how he still wants to play. But he doesn't feel as if he is fast enough physical enough for whatever to keep up with the guys that are already in the linebacker locker room next to him and I was like heartbreaking to me to see this guy. Who is this Greek god on a football field this man. Who is this? Super Alpha? He almost started breaking down and it's like he had a moment where he realized that he just didn't have it. Like you used to have it now Grand he just made another Pro Bowl. This is a guy who I would assume Matt rule was banking on being a leader in a Even in the locker room for him going forward but in Luke Kuechly his eyes. He didn't think he had it like you once had it and this can be a tough conversation with yourself. A lot of people don't have it. That's why you see a lot of people hang on until the very end. Try to collect as much cash as you possibly can when I retired. There's people in the media telling me that I didn't have any friends because my friends weren't gluing my jersey on me so I can continue to collect cash and till my legs fall off basically is what people said that mindset has been one row. Around for a long time because the NFL is a dream job for a lot of humans those who don't make it to the NFL and always dreamed of being an F L players assume that you should want to stay in the NFL forever. But what people need to know is the to be in the NFL is a privilege not a right for me. I no longer wanted to focus entirely on kicking a football. I wanted to focus on other things and I think the shield deserves people that want to focus entirely on being a professional athlete. I didn't want to focus day-to-day on what would make me a better. Our ball kicker. I wanted to utilize my brain and my time and my efforts to do other things now granted I was staring down a third surgery in 4 years. I didn't exactly love going to work anymore due to the general manager that was there for the years before I was there but ultimately at the end I didn't want to do in sacrifice my time in life to make sure that I would still be good at my job. When I was listening to Luke Kuechly speaking that video it sounded like to me it was a guy that was obviously didn't love the thought that he didn't have it anymore, but Also, it sounded like a guy who was potentially excited to turn his efforts elsewhere. It sounded like a guy who didn't want to have to commit his entire life to being great again because as you get older and this is what's so impressive about Tom Brady. This is what's so impressive about Adam Vinatieri. This is what's so impressive about the people Aaron Rodgers that get older and older and Drew Brees and can stay at that high level is the amount of commitment that you have to maintain to not only stay physically shape mentally sharp, but that Competitive Edge that has to keep you waiting. Every morning wanting to get better is something that not everybody can maintain and keep having I'm very thankful for Luke Kuechly for what he did on the football field and what he did for the NFL was great things. I was very excited to watch him play every time he got on there and I'm also very happy and thankful for him. If he is found complete piece in there. He said he still wanted to play so there will always be that lure of will Luke Kuechly come back. Will he missed the banging from training camp or the camaraderie with the guys which I would assume is potentially going to Happen a lot of people are going to talk about that just like Gronk alluded to when Gronk tweeted. So when you coming back because as soon as Gronk retired, he had an emotional press conference about how beat up his body was and how happy was to go forward and all anybody kept saying was old drunks coming back wrongs coming back girls coming back. Well, maybe just like me maybe just like drunk maybe Luke Kuechly got to the point where he started thinking. You know what I want to enjoy my life outside of football and focus on other things other than hitting people in dissecting offenses, and if that's the case, I'm incredibly happy. Luke Kuechly and I hope he enjoys the hell out of his retirement. Yeah, when I was watching I thought he was gonna pull a Wolf of Wall Street like halfway through like, you know what I'm not leaving that's like a minute leave it a minute 30 in it seemed like there was a quite a turn for the first minute. He was very calm cool collected and then about a I think it was like a minute 30 and he goes I still want to play. Yeah, and it was like almost like that moment and I even got emotional I retired on Comedy Central to join Barstool. And it was Super Bowl week, but I typed up something for my Twitter which is where basically any person that really, you know knew anything about me was through my Twitter and while I was typing it up. I got emotional in the middle of it because the game of football is such an awesome one like a Luke Kuechly said I still want to be involved in football. You got a lot of people that even though they choose to retire early doesn't mean they don't love football. It just means they want to spend their time potentially doing something else and I would assume that Luke Kuechly will still remain around football a guy. That's smart. We His brain is still utilized in the football World. He's missed 7 games. I think with three diagnosed concussions or something like that. You have to think that that probably will was a part of the conversation but I'm happy for Luke hopefully finding Solace and it did feel like about halfway through that video that he was potentially just going to be like at turn to camera but good for him. I'm happy for him. And now he gives a chance to somebody else to step up and make it play in just like the NFL has done since the beginning of time. It'll continue to grow and evolve in Luke Kuechly. We now is going to experience life post-football which I have found to be a damn good time. I think that's what so admirable to is. Like if you're just like an average NFL fan or Watcher like you would assume like in this guy still got it. He's still one of the best linebackers. So for him to like have the courage to be like, yeah. I just don't I'm not the player. I used to be I can't do that to my teammates. Like that's that's crazy. That's why I was so surprising to me. Well, I think that's the so a lot of people saw me tweet a lot right whenever I was towards the end of my career tweet tweet tweet but every My wake up every decision. I made everything I did. I mean, I don't really drink much anymore. I didn't drink them. Every decision. I made I was like is this going to make me kick a ball better? You know, like is this going to make me kick a ball better? I almost felt like I was being in this sounds don't take this for how serious it could be, but it felt as if I was being held hostage by a profession, right and I was getting paid very very well very very grossly overpaid for what I was doing. But every single decision I made was like, okay is this going to make me kick a ball better is this Gonna make me go out onto a field after our offense fails and kick a ball better every single decision. I made even in June even in April even every single thing you did every single day revolves around that for me whenever I retired it was nice for my brain to just be able to think like, okay. I don't have to just focus in on this one job that deserves a hundred percent of your attention by the way being in the NFL deserves 100% of your attention. And I think that's the thing that I slowly realized as I got older and more mature was like the NFL is the best league on planet Earth it. People to be a hundred percent committed to it and I no longer wanted to be a hundred percent committed to kicking a ball. So I got out. I think Luke fellows that same way like the NFL is a place for elite athletes and even if he's being hard on himself, which I think Luke could probably still play for another 10 years. Luke Kuechly can hang on and play somewhere for notes in it. Not even hang on Luke Kuechly could Thrive somewhere for another 10 years. But if he's gotten to the point where he's like listen this league deserves somebody that is at a better level than I am at right now. This league deserves somebody that wants to focus on this more than I do right now. I think that's it. Admirable and I'm very happy for what we see Luke Kuechly back. That's the question. Everybody's going to ask if there's probably odd somewhere right now. I'm gonna assume not because he's got a big brain. He was able to dissect plays you want the Boston College and I hope he's happy with that because in that video didn't feel as if he was all a hundred percent all in on every time if and now if you look going forward, there's a chance mat roll comes in and you're losing the three phases of the franchise for the last your lose gonna lose Kuechly. Probably Greg Olsen high probability of retiring as well. And then Cam Newton could be out too. Could be as a clean swipe Clean Slate for the Carolina Panthers Carolina Panthers could be brand new but they got seven years to do it in 60 seconds to do that with format rule. Not not literally but but you're right dome at rolling out signs. Joe Brady is offense coordinator who I thought would get a lot more looks you know, because the trend Kliff Kingsbury gets a gig Matt Le Flore gets a gig John McVay gets a gig these young brilliant offensive-minded guys from whether college or the NFL are getting his head coaching job. Brady who made Joe burrow the most impressive quarterback in the history of college football that that is not just saying like hey, there's Joe Borough guy is the most impressed with I've ever seen. No that's real highest completion percentage. Most touchdowns most effective offense in the SEC history. I mean this Joe Brady guy single handily came in and learned. Jobber. Oh 40 million dollars. I mean, I mean, it's just and you would think with the world and way the NFL is That you would want this because they ran a little RPO as well. The way the NFL is trending you would have thought that Jill Brady would have gotten a lot more looks and he was his name wasn't even mentioned for things and I think Matt rule was sitting back looking at this whole thing. He was like Cleveland Browns aren't going to interview. This guy Giants aren't going to talk to this guy. They're not they're not even Cowboys aren't going to look at this guy. He's like that sounds good to me 30 year old guy who just flipped the SEC on its frickin head. I'll bring him into Carolina, which I think does mean by the way that the probably to get new quarterback. I think if you unless I might be able to do some real good things with Cam Newton. I mean, I mean that is a decision that's going to have to be made and I don't think they're all out on Cam Newton, but I do know that if they do release Cam Newton, they get 19 million more dollars for a team that looks like they're going to have seven years in a patient owner to build. However, you want to build Cam Newton can't play for another seven years. Is he the guy the future? I don't know. We're going to find out I think this job ready higher was a good one, but now Matt rule has to figure out who's gonna be the leader of his defense. How do you replace a Ben All-Pro, how do you replace a perennial pro bowler who not only is fast and freakish physically, but mentally the guy can line everybody up and he can tell exactly what it is. That's going to be tough from a Troll. He's got a lot of money in a lot of task in front of them Christian McCaffrey is really the only constant that he has when do you think Matt rule do you think he had any inkling of this when he first got the job or is this the kind of thing where like he would have found out yesterday that Luke Kuechly was retiring. I have no idea. I have no clue how that will goes. The fact that looky. We did it the way he did. It was very surprising to me too. Because Luke Kuechly he's got it does not love being on a camera. We got a chance to do some stuff for them at the last Super Bowl. And by the way, he's just as impressive off the field as he is on the field gentlemen, I think he listed off every single player in the NFC south or something, right? Yep, like the entire every starters both ways. Yeah and the NFC South it when we were with him. I mean, he's just a super Brainiac that I did not expect to come through a social media video his retirement. I respect that he did by the way because he got to control his own narrative he got Chance to go on his own terms do it his own way, but I'm not sure I assume out rule learned within the last day or so, but if you tell Matt rule you assume somebody else in the room will know and then they leaked it. This was not leaked by anybody schefter all the people who know everything we're surprised by this video, which is why I'm so impressed by I think that role probably learned about it. Just within the last 24 hours. Yeah, and he's definitely disappointing because even if Kuechly admits that he's lost a step or he's not the same player that he was he still makes up with that by getting every single other player on that defense in the right. Lace and making the right checks and he's smart enough that even if he has lost a step. It doesn't matter because he knows where the ball is going most of the time and all those NFL top 100 videos your other players talk about other players. I did it like six days after surgery one time and I was on like 45 to 50 painkillers and I didn't remember any of it until it aired I was like, oh I slaughtered on that. I was really good but listening to players talk about Luke Kuechly you listen to other offensive lineman talk about playing against Luke Kuechly. And there they all say like we're in our setting this guy's telling us basically what our check is about to be. Well, how do you know that? We're not doing that and then the conversation Luke would like look at them be like, yeah, you are - he's the type of player. He was right and he said he wanted to be known as a guy who was like physical fast and tough I believe but I think his biggest thing was he was smarter than everybody. So those were the four contributing factors and I would assume all four of those are things that he would like to keep intact. He said he didn't have it as much as he thought he once did he said that linebacker room is a good one. I feel like he almost I felt bad for taking the spot of somebody else whenever he wasn't at his hundred percent that he might have been a couple years ago, but his what 90% or whatever he thinks he is at right now is still top 5% in all of defensive players. Yeah, which I think the NFL and NFL fan should be very thankful that we got to see Luke Kuechly. I think a lot of people are gonna be disappointed that we won't see more of them. But if he's happy I'm happy and he's accrued over 50 million dollars in his career. He has a big old brain and if he can utilize that to focus on something other than dissecting offenses and Working out and running his head into people. I think we should be very happy for do you think this is potentially marshawn's felt like like Luke was on the edge and then Marshall like take care of your chicken and your mentals and Luke was like all you right by like chicken is money. Mmm. What do you think? Children? I don't know. I couldn't figure it out. Take care of your chicken here your meat baby chicks. Yeah. Yeah dicks that would have been children here. Take care of your mentals. Take care of your chicken and he got by the way, Marshawn old whites. Classic old white. It's said that he was you know, speaking ridiculous or whatever. If you listen to what he was saying is one of the smartest things that an ex-player has said, he's like listen, I've been on the other side. We got people that are losing their lives. Like what Marshall on did was very Noble up there now granted he did it strictly because he didn't want to talk to any of the humans that were bashing him to what he was saying, which I respect even more but it is real like I think a lot of us and I'm even feeling this more and more trying to work deals for nflpa and NFL lumps. I am active right now and trying to make sure we can get some money from companies for NFL alumni for other people to continue to make money because I'm not a hundred percent sure that the nflpa does what they probably should do which is take care of, you know, the legends of the game the people that built the game and now I am somebody who is not saying like oh back in the day those guys did they did though in a lot of those guys haven't been taken care of so whenever Marshawn steps up and he says listen a lot of these players. Weren't taught how to manage millions of dollars. A lot of people weren't taught like Hey whenever you get $100,000 all those things you've dreamed of owning in your entire life that you can now afford. A lot of people weren't taught that discipline with their finances. So whenever you hear the stat like 80% of NFL players or 80% of professional athletes will go broke just a couple years after they retire and everybody's an idiot like blah blah blah. It's like have you ever just been handed a million dollars and said, hey, I know you used to sleep on the floor, and I know you used to eat. Oodles and noodles and used to do all these things for your entire life and everything you've ever wanted is now at your fingertips, but you should be disciplined with your money and it's like yeah, it's a lot easier said than done my friend and I think that type of thing that happens happens to a lot of players and I think Marshawn taking the initiative to talk about that is cool, but I'm not a hundred percent. Sure Luke Kuechly is directly because of mashing the think about something about that did Marshawn Lynch Hall of Famer in his own, right? Talk looky did Marshawn Lynch from the town? Okay. Okay the Town Town business. Did he convince a Boston College grad that he needs to take care of his chicken and retire and if he did that's why football is the most beautiful game on earth people from two polar opposite parts of the world can come together for an agreement and understanding in for one common goal and that's the betterment of the future that's like Aaron Aaron Rodgers and Marshawn Lynch after the game. Go and taking their own special moment Exchange in jerseys. They are on Cal. They're both Cal teammates together two, very different evidence. That's why football is the greatest sport on Earth. By the way, mat roll said this in his press conference Carolina Panthers. It's real you walk into a locker room. You are a short little dumpy guy. Oh, he's the kicker. Okay, you got a six foot six guy who shredded who's 265 pounds? Oh, that's a defensive end. That guy is from there. You got a guy from Compton. You got a guy from Bel-Air. You got people from all over the place coming together for one common goal. That is why football is the most beautiful game on Earth because of that and I think that is what people mess whenever they retire is that camaraderie with people that are very different than you being able to come together for one goal and being able to make it happen. That'll probably be what Luke Kuechly misses the most if I had to guess massive baseball Scandal happening right now with signs being stolen via video taping and cameras in in Batson garbage cans and yelling and Souls all this stuff and I only played baseball one time in my life it was professionally so anytime. I have a question about baseball and it's ethics and rules. I call a guy who's a friend of mine Indiana base guy Cincinnati Reds Gold Glove winning catcher Tucker handsome Barnard Tucker, what's going on man? Hey happy to see rehabs going. Well, by the way, you posted a video of you hitting the hell out of a baseball fatigue happy to see it. Thank you, brother. I appreciate that. So good. How are you? What happened? What did you hurt? I came back at the end of the year. So I was I finished your healthy, but I think I thought you had to have abs to pull them pulled an AB and an oblique but I finished the are healthy served thing was good, but it hurt like hell that's for sure. I couldn't fathom. I'm excited to see you back. Obviously. We are Reds fans here last year was tough and you guys gave us nothing to cheer for I assume this year will be different Tucker. I soon as yeah, we made a lot of we've made a lot of Acquisitions this offseason to have that are proven to be That are going to help us Is that real Is that real? Yeah. Yeah, it's real we've signed a couple guys on a guy out of Straight Outta Japan. It was a five-time All-Star over there sign a guy named Mike Moustakas is really going to help us out. Let's go right. Let's get past that last time I talked with you about the baseball is being a little bit easier to hit. It feels like that made waves and then now everybody's talking about it. That was a couple of years ago now whenever I have a question about anything in This world. You're like a generational baseball player data think he said baby. I mean you like you've been living in this world. So now Alex Cora is this guy who is formerly of the Boston Red Sox in Boston. Just so happens to be attached to this. I don't know why with everything like that. He was at the Astros whenever he was the assistant the bench coach the assistant coach of the Astros the Astros broke basically every single hitting record that you could possibly break at home. He gets a job. He they win a World Series he gets a job in Boston. They do the Thing up there then all of a sudden a picture comes out says all their recording a podcast or says it. Is this something that is understood that happens or is this like what is your take on this as a guy who's a catcher in your exact fingers are probably on some of these cameras out there. What is this in the state of the game? Well for me, it has been happening forever. I think sign stealing looking for tells I mean happens if every sport. I mean you play in the NFL. I'm sure you watch films obviously. I mean you watch film you. See guys on the quarterbacks on the sideline looking at iPads seeing pictures like real time Real Time pictures. It happens in every sport. And so I kind of don't understand it. And My worry is baseball has all these Unwritten rules. You hear you hear guys say, well you he's not supposed to do that. Well, it's not by the letter of the law. It's not a rule necessarily and so like in preparation for this article or for this interview. I did a little research and I read a couple articles. And nowhere that I found was anything that was being done at that time. It wasn't necessarily against any rules was it frowned upon maybe however from a catcher's perspective. We do things from inning to inning we change signs you you set up later before the pitch is getting ready to be thrown to you to combat that so anytime like a guys on second base you have assigned sequence it may it is intricate as the The the one which normally means fastball doesn't mean a fastball and then you sequence it in a number of signs to try and hide it things like that. I mean you do things to combat those things you look for tells from the other team that make it appear. Like they're giving signs to their hitters the that it just doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I are you saying this is are you saying you think this is kind of getting blown out of proportion and this is something that you as a catcher who is the person who signals are being Sign basically understands that there is the potential of this happening and it's your job. It's on you and the Pitcher to make sure that this doesn't benefit the other team no question. No question. I think I would be willing to bet that when Mike fires said what he said that he wasn't a didn't think it would get to where it's at. Now. I mean guys are losing their jobs guys are potentially getting blackballed from baseball with with all of this stuff that's going on and if it's pretty black and white for me if they were breaking a rule I get It if they were breaking an Unwritten rule, I don't understand it because I mean in any in any Walk of Life you look for an advantage if they if I have a unique position because I'm in a situation as being a catcher that that I do things to combat sign stealing but also from a hitter's perspective. I would love to know what's coming. I mean it makes my it makes my job a hell of a lot easier to hit if I know what pitch is coming and so if a picture is blatantly giving me if he if he's in the wind up and it's his blatant. His hands go over his head when he throws a fastball and His Hands don't go over his head when he throws a breaking ball. I'm going to take advantage of that. And so where's everybody else that's on that's on our team. So I that to me is what I don't get I don't get that that if if a guy was showing that he was throwing a changeup and and I mean it's been happening forever if you played Little League, I have a plan I think people are assuming because now is this something you're going to have to change knowing that there is a chance that there is a camera should Now they said now I don't know enough about baseball to really ask the right questions here, but they said there was a camera being shot from center field at the catcher. They would then go into a room to see what the catcher was doing. And then they would bang on garbage cans and whistle and stuff for what the picture is doing as a catcher now. I'm just I've never played catch. I've only played right field professionally, but if I was a catcher and I heard this type of stuff happening, isn't that something that would also make me tip you off like, oh they're giving a little bit of this or they're giving a little bit of that. Something I got and is the fact that they had a live feed going on is what they're blowing up about or is that something that maybe you know is happening. They are the live feed is the issue. I believe however the rule of not being able to have I think they changed where you can have cameras. They changed that going into last season. And so all of this was happening happened in 2017 when there wasn't a rule where you could or couldn't have cameras. So for me. Me it's a little it's really kind of it's odd to me. I don't again, I hate you hate. I don't get it you hate it. I do I think it sucks. I really do. I think it sucks because Guy outed his teammates that he benefited from and I just think that I think it sucks. Imagine if you're a catcher though and you hear an entire Dugout like and you're just sitting there like what is that? Are you guys? Use me, I think there's something going it. That's the thing about baseball though that I think a lot of people appreciate especially Baseball fans is like the game Riley like there's a game inside of a game that's happening. Whether it's the umpires Strike Zone whether it's like a little bit more grip on the thing or the ball or anything like that. There's always like these little games inside a baseball. When a lot of people from the 30,000 foot view. You see you're like, okay, it's picture first batter and then there's nine innings, but there's all these little things trying to get this little advantage and he's a hundred and ninety seven. 7,000 games that you have. It's almost like a part of the sport. Is that what you're saying as opposed to these Unwritten rules being broken? So almost like these types of things are part of the sport and it's what makes the sport even better. I agree. I it's things. I mean, it's things that have been happening for 50 years. I mean, it's just guys like I played with some guys that played with the Dodge it was Chase Utley on the Dodgers towards the end of his career and are hitting coach said last year that chase. His job when he wasn't playing he would just look for the picture to see if he could pick up anything to decipher. What pizza was coming. I mean that was just basically his job with the Dodgers. Like I said when he wasn't playing so it's just thinking things like that and he had gotten that from guys that he had played with with coming up through the minor leagues and an early on in his career in Philadelphia and I just it's something that's gone on forever. Now again, if they were breaking a rule if there was something in place that said, Is this the live feed couldn't be directly to a camera in the video room or in the batting cage or anything like that? Then I completely understand it. But however if there was no rule in place about the live feed like you said or anything like that then I just don't I just don't understand it. All right. Well, that's my opinion from here on out there. Yeah. Yeah, I do and I agree with what you're saying Tucker to about like the unwritten rules in this stuff going on. But like does it change your mind at all when you see like Houston's home in a way splits like the stats like that? They were basically unbeatable at home at points during the postseason. I mean like they're you know, they're batting average and I get home field advantage being something that's very real. But you know, they're batting like 80 points higher a lot more homers a lot more extra-base hits scoring a lot more runs. Like does that change your opinion on it at all? It doesn't say changed my opinion on it. I think like from like a catcher's standpoint and from like a Scouting Report standpoint. We look at things like that. And so there everybody knows who is who are the teams that give signs whether it be first base coach or third base coach does something that the hitter can see or if it's a runner on second base giving a location to a hitter or things like that or you know your pictures that get in trouble and tip their pitches sometimes and so you it's just something you have to take extra precautions. I mean and it's pretty obvious now thinking back like Brian McCann when he was catching for the Astros and 17 in the World Series. Everybody was talking about how many visits they made to the Mount they They hated it. I hated it, but he was going and every time he would go he would say he was going to combat the other team from stealing signs and they were change up the signs of do things like that. I mean there are things now that happened the Cardinals come to mind. They have a card in their back pocket that Yadier Molina will go like this behind the plate and he'll hold up like a number to number 5 number for whatever it is and the Pitcher will pull a card out of his back pocket. Look at the card signed sequence number four and they change the signs and it's Crazy, it's like a football. It's like a quarter because it is it is and it's just there's things there's things done now to combat that and so it doesn't necessarily change request doesn't really change my mind. It just makes it more obvious that there were able to do something at home. They were all able to give signs and again to me it's very black and white if it was against the rules then then it I hate it. But if it was just a competitive advantage that they were using or an Unwritten rule then I think it's just part of the game Gold Glove winner. Starting catcher for the Cincinnati Reds coming off a rehab it's reg going to be good this year excited for that Indiana native and Legend. 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What are we doing getting after it over there a little bit. I'm just on a little bike ride. Just a little warm up in the morning get it going get the body stand up. Oh my God, you do that every single day. Do you do some form of? Yo every single day. No, I actually hate cardio. I despise it unless I'm like playing in some basketball league or something like that, but I'll get all my mountain bike every once in a while. I live in a great area where there's a lot of natural paths all around so I can get on those and get a little get a little something in can't get the body lubed up as you know playing this game for a long time you get into a consistent kind of mode as far as Working out and that's important to me because it's more more than anything. It's not so much the physical benefits is it is the mental benefits just getting out there and get my blood going and getting a pump on I like to get into the gym though. I'll get into the gym five days a week and just kind of try to stay active. I love that your Meathead. I need to get back. I need to get back into that Jeff. I need to give my I am so fat right now this last four months. I'm 260 pounds right now Jeff. I'm potentially gonna die of cholesterol or heart attack at any given time. I need to get back. Back into it. Yeah, man, you got to take care of yourself. Come on, man. Get out after it, dude. Hey, I know better than that Jeff. I don't mind. All right, let's get to this weekend. Shall we San Francisco 49ers are back on top of the world hosting the NFC Championship up there in Santa Clara George. Kiddo you Jimmy G that run game the defense is seems to be back Richard Sherman can dissect everything. It feels like do the Packers have a chance going in there. And how do you see the game playing out? Well, you know just Anybody they have a chance, I mean, obviously this league this game comes down to one game Aaron Rodgers Aaron Jones that offensive group that they have their they're talented enough to put points on the board now going back seven eight weeks when the Niners played them on Monday night. They completely dismantled Green Bay really took everything away from them from a defensive standpoint and what Aaron and the offense could do. I mean they were stagnant. It and you know, I look at the Niners right now. They're just coming together at the perfect time. They at they got healed up. They got some of their guys key guys Deford Tchaikovsky tart Quan Alexander on the defensive side when they were playing top-notch defensive football. That was the first eight weeks of the season. They were one of the best in the NFL then they kind of fell off. They had a few injuries. They kind of fell off a little bit people started to expose sir. Things about them but now getting some of those key ingredients back along with what they have with Bosa and Armstead and Buckner inside. I mean, this is a group that just plays extremely great team football on defense and then when you look at their offensive side of the ball with George Kittle at tide and some of the guys that they have stepping up now Devo Samuels Emmanuel Sanders those guys at the wide receiver position and then the three headed monster of running backs with moster and Coleman and breeding AA and Jimmy G. Just making good decisions. They're really Built Well and Built Well to be good for the next not just year this year but years to come but this should be a great matchup. I mean Aaron's been here before he's obviously LED that team to a Super Bowl title before they're very capable of coming in and putting a great game plan together and a great game and these are two coaches that know each other Kyle Shanahan and and the fluorine base head coach. Yeah, they were together in Washington. So they have Already with each other and it should be a great game. So I never knew his name before he was hired. It's all right, I struggle with everybody's names that I think you just did an incredible job breaking down that game. What do you think John Lynch? Why do you think let me change that question? Why do you think John Lynch has had such success building up this roster what you just said. They're also I think they're contractually in a good spot for a few years as well. They have a quarterback that they've paid and they've still been able to put together a good team. Why do you think John Lynch has had such good success at the GM position, I think. You know Pat oftentimes those GM's are guys that have never played the game of football. They don't know what it's like to be in a locker room. You get a guy like John Lynch who's been a Super Bowl champion who's been on the ballot for the Hall of Fame who was such a an elite pro for his entire career with the defensive mindset. As you know, as you've seen in the past teams that are built strong on the defensive side of the ball. You look at Denver a few years ago when they played Carolina, it wasn't Peyton Manning's offense. That was leading that team. Was a defensive football team that was really making that team outstanding prior teams of that the Ravens different situations where defensive football overpowers great offensive football. And I think when they started building this team, they really focused on getting that Foundation of a defense that defensive line that that area that could put pressure on a quarterback that could stop the run game and they've just done such a great job. I think with John Lynch a guy who has played the game for so many Many years has such great experience who's an intellectual guy as it is from studying the game and understanding the chemistry of a team and how important it is to put those pieces to the puzzle together that really fit. Well that gel well together. They've done a great job of doing that they've weeded out some of the negativity they pushed it to the side not allow it to become a disease from within the locker room and just their talent and what they've been able to see from the i&d Bose. Mills in the second round. I mean you can talk about the receiver from Seattle has been a steal but Debo Samuels is turned out to be a great find in the second round for the 49ers. Just what he can do is versatility not only as a wide receiver, but as a running back in the backfield what he can do when he gets the ball in his hands has been exciting. So you look at just the things they've done over the last couple of years. They've really built the team up strong on the defensive side with a lot of good young talent and then they put some good pieces in place that and look at George kid'll they lucked out on that one. Look at a guy that they got in the later rounds to just be the Beast that he is on the field the energy that he brings. It's awesome. Well, you need to look out everyone song was later round picks, but also your culture creates that and I think that's something that's a San Francisco culture. The Niners culture is a great one and Debo best name I've ever heard but also he is fit in very well there and I think Jimmy G. Everybody says people are game managers. I think he's a great quarterback and I think going into last year. There was a lot of hype on them. They obviously didn't work out because Jimmy got hurt this year not as much now, they're kind of off and running can't wait to watch him take on the Packers. Love Aaron Rodgers going to be a good game Let's flip over the AFC. How do you say I guess the Texans had the answer for the Chiefs and it was score early have them make some special teams mistakes take advantage of them their UP24 zip and then Patrick Mahomes and Andy Reid with his beautiful mind in all of those weapons on that offense. They could have scored a hundred if they would have played for good quarters, and I don't know how you stop that. How do you stop that? Jeff and are the Titans the team to do it. I know it was amazing man to watch that game play out to sea Houston go up 24 0 but know that it's like they were up twenty four two zero, but you knew that Kansas City wasn't out. Yeah, I mean, you know, they had a couple incompletions on third down that would have extended drives and those turned into like nightmarish opportu situation that got the blocked punt for a touchdown then they had the fumbled punt that gave a short field a Houston. New is just a matter of time. But how quickly they were able to turn it around to score 21 points within four minutes to go up at half-time 2824. You knew at that point that Houston had no answer coming into the second half. And and how do you stop those guys in Kansas City? I mean, I was just trying to think about that earlier today. They have such great weapons, but Patrick Mahomes. It's like he has an open receiver every single play. I don't know how you stop this group. Group of talent what they're able to do with their running backs out of the backfield how Patrick's able to extend time by time when he needs to he's great and calm within the pocket but he's also the best when he's outside of the pocket what he's able to do with his legs and his arm outside. The pocket is is unbelievable. And you know, you look at what what sort of team can stop this team. First of all the best The best defense to Patrick Mahomes is keeping him on the sidelines exactly. And so when you look at how Tennessee is built with that run game with Henry and what they're able to do physically in moving canes and hopefully ball control will play in their favor. That's really the only way that I could see a team being able to match up with Kansas City now not enough I think attention has been put on what Tennessee can do on the defense side. All they have beat Kansas City earlier in the season in Tennessee. I don't recall exactly what the situation was whether Mahomes was playing in that game or not. But hey proven themselves that they can play with this team and I think going into this game with the confidence that they've built up over the last two weeks with big-time wins in New England in Baltimore. I mean, are you picking the Titans are playing with a chip on their shoulder you pick up the top team to play right now with the chip on your shoulder. You just picked the Titans. Is that what you just did just pursue I didn't pick the tight. All right, Jeff. Get back to your workout. I can't thank you enough for joining us. Every time you come on here. I learn and I'm intrigued by your conversation. You're very good man. Appreciate it man ate all the best to you. Maybe we'll see you in Super Bowl time. You got it. Ladies and gentlemen, Jeff Garcia. I appreciate you man. Hello. Sorry for the interruption. I just wanna let you know that right now there is Thing that is just as scoop that you put in a water bottle and it gives you all the vitamins minerals and nutrients that you need for an entire damn day. Your body's nutritional needs changed your distress travel sleep patterns exercise the imperfect diet, whatever the hell you have going on and even if you have a balanced healthy diet, it can be tough to cover all of your nutritional basis. 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What does it for as a friend if I pee are you doing media run right now? Yep, nflpa, we've got the Collegiate bowls out here and just checking things out. All right before we get to the Saints because you've been there for 10 years steadfast the guy who's been an All-Pro for the Saints third disappointing loss for an incredible season before we talk to that just because you're at the nflpa stuff out there. The new CBA is up right now. There was conversations like a month and a half ago that a deal is going to be done early somehow which I was very surprised about because there's billions of dollars at stake and that could optically look bad for either side. Whoever loses. How are those conversations going and what are some differences that people are going to maybe learn about with this CBA coming out for the new one? Well, I'm on the executive committee. So I can't really talk about any of that where we have your boys in Oteri's on that as well. And you know, it's an exciting time for sure, you know, it's a different climate than it was nine years ago for the old CBA. So hopefully we'll be able to make some moves in the right direction. For that are going to help every player you say different climate. Does that mean it's been a lot more positive conversations as if we're business partners as opposed to going to war with each other or is that what you're saying? Yeah, I would still pay for sure that it's been an amicable and that you know, it seems like it's in everybody's best interest to at least give it a shot. And so that's exciting is the conversation behind closed doors both by the nflpa and the NFL that the lockout is something that was not good for both sides. I think that's your opinion and everybody has it's different. So I just think the climate right now is in a place that you know, I think there's a lot of there's a lot of positive reasons to at least have everybody intend to try to get something done. And you know, what kind of see how it shakes out? Okay, perfect. Let's get back to the football now New Orleans Saints have another incredible year home playoff loss happens yet again. I mean when I say heartbroken, I mean heart broke. For Saints and Saints fans, and you as a friend first the Minneapolis Miracle obviously happens you end up lining up a d tackle for an extra point after that. You looked great there. Then there's the Phantom pass interference. And then there's this overtime loss for Drew Brees doesn't even get a chance to get back on the field which obviously Spurs a lot of conversation. What is this state of the New Orleans Saints in your mind? Because every year you guys have this incredible team and then you're just so close to making another run like you did beating us for the Super Bowl. What is the state of the New Orleans? St. You think I would say its outstanding. I think New Orleans 15 20 years ago was not seen as an elite organization may be a bit of a laughing stock and I think with Drew and Sean and Mickey Loomis rgm, there's just been such an incredible level of stability and sustained excellence and you know, it's it doesn't make it easy to ever lose in the playoffs because you know, those are Trinity's are not guaranteed. But as far as your organization goes man, it's just so stable. I think they do things right from the top down and that gives you a chance every year. I'm really happy that you're just incredible onside kick at halftime that buried our Super Bowl is what could really kick off this entire run for the Saints. There was a entire article written about Ambush and how impressive of an onside kick that was and I said for you to be a rookie to be able to pull that kickoff on the grandest a the biggest stage that there possibly could be was so much precision and everything like that. It was it would probably the most impressive kick I've ever seen at literally the most impressive kick I've ever seen anything. I appreciate I was just glad and weren't wearing white pants at the exact you think Drew Brees has more in the tank or everybody the conversation about Drew Brees is always been he's trying to get another one you get close. He's trying to get another one and get closer trying to get another one. He wasn't on the NFL all 100 team. It was complete farce. He has every record you could possibly have he has a Super Bowl ring. What do you see Drew Brees having more in the tank and coming back for another run at this thing? Yeah, look, I didn't see him not being back next year. He loves the game so much and he loves this team and at the end of the day, he's a competitor and he just wants to go after it and every time he doesn't get an Accolade that he deserves her that I think he deserves it's good for him man. He plays best of the chip on the shoulder is done that his whole life. And so I kind of you know, it's always a good thing whenever he got he's a little underappreciated because then Thank you, take things personal and he's competitive and he loves to win and I'd expect it back next year Thomas. It feels like a lot of the Great's operate that way Aaron Rodgers everybody now, he'll never say but everybody around them says that I operated that way. I'm not saying I'm Aaron Rodgers but a professional athletes. I feel like people think aren't as Petty as they are. But anytime you have a chance to feel slighted. It's a great way to use as motivation. I'm happy to hear that Drew Brees arguably best quarterback of all time if they're at least in a conversation top three top for of all time. It feels that same way as well. Well, look, I think you can call it petti and I wouldn't describe drew that way, but I think another word maybe is some of the best athletes. I've been around they get salty kind of quick and and so I you know, our kicker will Lots is like that I would joke with them all the time. He's he kind of gets more sensitive about things but he takes it personal and that's why he's so good. He's just he's just a machine, you know, you give back to the punting community and Kicking More than any other punter I've ever seen you taught me how to punt. You've taught a lot of the guys in the NFL currently had upon I think you should get a lot more credit for that than you do by the way. Look, I don't do it for credit. You know, I've always kind of had this life philosophy what you give will grow what you keep you loose and whenever you know some people like hey, man, you're training guys take your job. I just feel like whenever it's time to be done. It'll be time to be done. And it's you're meant to share with what you have and honestly, I'll never forget those two. Two days we spent right after you got drafted up and will Scott's and that was that was good times for sure Thomas Thomas. All right, will you just tell me how to put Hey listen, I just got drafted to punt. I understand. I have a little bit of an ability but to make a paycheck here. I'm going to have to be a little bit better. Is there any way you could tell me how to put in for two days to your credit you 1,000% did and then fast forward. We're in the Super Bowl together. And now I mean I had I was I Second-guessing myself at that point. Wow, the punter of the decade thing comes out, right? You're number two. I'm number one. I think that's wrong. I don't think I should have got it. I think you should have been it but that is the numbers don't lie. Pat numbers don't lie. And I love PFF. They've been shoot. I negotiated my last contract with all their data. So, you know the numbers don't lie and you deserve that man you all you did your whole career was get better. That means a lot and all I did was learn from you. Let's talk about people getting better. Okay, that Niners team they got better last year. They say they stopped because Jimmy G decided to zigged instead of zagged you played in a game against them that was must-see television. Now, they are hosting a playoff game against Green Bay Aaron Rodgers in the NFC Championship. How do you see that one going and who do you give the edge to Thomas? Well, look, I think the stats say the home team's got the edge. I think it's a little Bit of a mind f a little bit with how the game the original game went early in the season with the Packers getting smoked. I think that's that that can be a tough deal for San Fran. I think just it's hard to beat a really good team twice and they become so handling. And so, you know, I think the Packers will obviously figure out a lot of adjustments to make and you know, I think special teams could be huge. You know, JK Scott being out in San Francisco where it's nice weather typically Is that guy a special man? He has special he can be a game changer for them for sure. I don't know you guys punting not leave the ground. Hey, man, you're an athlete and I'm not so I had to find a different way. We're talking about Jake a scarf or punting Insider JK Scott. When he punch you see his plant foot never leaves the ground. It's always right leg Thomas does the same I got another piece for you. I'm JK that I've never seen before his, you know, there's typically a little air time between your drive step and your plant. He almost has both feet on the ground at the same time. I've never seen that before if you go watch that, is that why he was up to? Justin because that little air time there can make your stride a little bit different. Yeah, there's no air time and his legs are like is like a giraffe out there. It's amazing watching Punk. Well, I am I've been corrected. He does not do yoga. He does Pilates which is what you do to so you two are the same exact human being basically, absolutely. All right. That's that's that's for non athletes. Like I said Thomas your freak athlete I appreciate you so Luke Kuechly retires. Okay. Okay, hold on. Hold on NFL PA member NFC South member a guy who you sent me a photo of you and Luke Kuechly having an interaction. I've no idea what it was at a blocked field goal. Yeah, we're blocked field goal. And I thought I'd be able to you know, I was able to kind of get to them but then he decided I think he slowed up at the end just so he can embarrass me. Yeah, definitely my most embarrassing moment as a professional athlete. Yeah, you got the real Thomas their biker gang and I looking at a photo for those who are listening on radio Thomas you've been in the league now 10 years. You're 30 plus years old. You've seen a lot of players come and go Andrew Luck retires young. Everybody talks about Gronk retires young now. Luke Kuechly is retiring before the age of 30. Do you see this being something that is going to continue to happen as players continue to realize that there's opportunities off the field and maybe it's time to give somebody else another chance. I've accrued enough money or what do you think it is or do you think this is just kind of like a case-by-case basis? Okay. I think what the money is in a different realm than it's ever been and it's only continuing to go up and I think you're going to see players that that play positions that are Eclis very difficult to play those guys that you just listed a lot of those guys have gotten beat up a lot whether it's concussions or just getting you know Gronk. He's just getting everybody's best shot every time he caught the ball because he's so dang big and and Andrew got you know, waylaid for years up in Indy and I just, you know, you're going to see guys that are going to start looking around and they're going to say look, I'm healthy right now, and I've still got my wits about me. I've got a ton of money in the What's it worth and you're going to see that if I think the common thing you see there's a lot of Smart Guys you just listed right that are they going to be thinking about things like that. And it's it's only human nature to think like that. It's different when you got no money in the bank account. So I wouldn't be surprised to see that continue completely agree. You're very intelligent man as well. I hope you punt to the wheels fall off there because you're a lot of fun. What's this Juice company your now investor owner a part of having good for you getting business. Well appreciate my main squeeze juice. Company, it's a franchising company down in now Louisiana based in New Orleans, and I actually got into it were interested in it because Marcus Colston was their initial investor and there, you know, I just I started checking my credit card statement every month and I said, okay, I need to find a deal or something here today. And so I got touch with those guys and got to meet their team and they're expanding very rapidly taking over Houston now, Novice expanding in Dallas and get into Florida. We're trying to take over the southeast as quick as possible to erase to real estate and you know, it's just a big passion of mine Health wellness and being able to provide value information and and how certain things help me prolong my career or try to continue to get better in my career passing those along the people that follow me. It's kind of a passion of mine. And so, you know New Orleans isn't exactly known as the health capital of the world. So You know, it's it's it's something I'm passionate about and and it's exciting to be a part of it. Well, I appreciate you so much for joining us. Good luck with main squeeze. What you give will grow is also awesome to grow your hair out and then you cut it and donated. I mean you're a man amongst men. I appreciate the hell out of you. Good luck in those negotiations with the NFL and congrats on continuing to be able to just Slaughter footballs you mad path. I should be on man. Ladies and gentlemen All Pro Super Bowl champion, Tom. Thank you. He taught me how to punt it was a hilarious day. Nice guy, very nice guy completely different human than me completely. I think as like an engineering degree from SMU like very very intelligent super tall his legs come up to like, my boobs is different. It's a very different world between he and I but he like he's one of those guys that's legit. You know, he's legit like you can ask one question will give you a real answers and his professional sports world. That's not always going to happen. You see with backups getting drafted in and the starter not taking care of them because you are literally giving the keys to the state to somebody that's potentially going to knock you out of your house. Literally and Thomas Moore said was a kid in a guy guide this time, I guess but a kid and then I was like man, I don't know why they drafted me to do this Bill Belichick literally told me we think you're athletic enough to figure it out. I'm like, I need to figure it out Thomas. He's like let's go and we did like with like two hours on the field then we want to watch film and then the next day the same thing and just you know, I don't Happen good news men out there looking to shave their balls in a much more safe fashion. 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On today's show, Pat reacts to the shocking news of Luke Kuechly's retirement from the Carolina Panthers after 8 seasons as arguably the best linebacker in the game. Pat reflects on some of the thoughts he had when announcing his retirement and looks back on what will undoubtedly be a Hall of Fame career for Kuechly. Pat and the boys also discuss what comes next for Matt Rhule and the Carolina Panthers as they lose Kuechly and hire LSU passing game coordinator Joe Brady, and what that means for their Quarterback situation and if they are now in a position to trade up to try and draft Joe Burrow. Next, Gold Glove winner and current Catcher of the Cincinnati Reds, Tucker Barnhart stops by to discuss the controversy surrounding the cheating scandal that has rocked the Houston Astros, Boston Red Sox, and the rest of the MLB. Tucker explains why he doesn't necessarily like what is happening with the punishments, gives his take on the whole situation, and explains his opinions on the entire situation, as a guy who is intimately involved with giving signs every game (20:33-31:54). Next, 4x Pro Bowler, Grey Cup Champion, and legend of an NFL Quarterback, Jeff Garcia joins Pat and the boys to discuss the NFL Conference Championships. Jeff gives his thoughts on Green Bay vs. San Francisco, and why he thinks the game will be closer than most people think, and what he sees as the keys to the game are for both the Packers and the 49ers. Jeff also dives into the AFC Championship and explains why it is so hard to stop a guy like Patrick Mahomes, but why a team like the Titans might have the perfect formula for doing so (33:33-44:10). Lastly, Super Bowl Champion, Pro Bowler, All Pro, and current Punter for the New Orleans Saints, Thomas Morestead joins the show live from LA. Thomas and Pat discuss where things are currently at with the NFLPA discussions and if he thinks things are moving in the right direction. He gives his thoughts on the state of the Saints after another crushing defeat in the playoffs and whether or not he thinks Drew Brees will return to New Orleans for another season, and what makes him so special. Thomas also reacts to Luke Kuechly's retirement and discusses whether or not he thinks this will become more of a norm moving forward with elite players retiring during what most would consider the prime of their careers. Pat and Thomas also reflect on the PFF Punter of the decade and Pat shares the story about how Thomas taught him how to punt after he got drafted (46:18-59:43). Today's show is a loaded one. Come and laugh with us. Cheers.

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The reason we have the guest on our show today is because he contributed to this book and he gave some amazing Insight on leadership overcoming adversity how we hold ourselves accountable all key things in overcome. Technically. I heard it was a barn burner between you adding what I had to say in him, and I think he beat me. He's not laughing but it was a joke sir. No high. Well, let's Jump Right In we're going to jump right into our guest. I got to tell you we are honored to have him on. He served 37 years with the United States military the United States Navy to be exact. He was the ninth commander of the Special Operations Command. He was the chancellor of the University of Texas. He is a New York Times bestselling author. Our he is a YouTube sensation. Yes. Yeah. He is a father a husband a friend and most importantly most important say it say it he is American UDT SEAL diver a lover a fighter a shooter a Rootin tootin paratroop and scuba dive and demolition double-cap Crippen Frogman. It is our and he was the bullfrog of the community. Yes. He had the most Service as a Navy Seal in the history of our community at that time of his career. So it is our great honor to introduce the legendary teammate and friend Admiral Bill mcraven. Welcome to the overcoming conquer show. Hey, thanks Jerry. Thanks guys. It's great to be here with you. We are honored to have you on as we do with every show. Go ahead. Well, I actually wanted to do something if if I can use your power sir for a second right on it. Wait. All right. Yeah. Well, hold on to this is this is a final gift our start happening too often. So I'm sure you remember me from you know, being me being an E5 but you're definitely actually right here very Unforgettable. So no, but sir Jason, obviously you understand was and No, three. Let's see your 310 doing the math. That's seven levels higher. Okay, so could you or would you for me your high much higher four-star Admiral and I want to make that very clear to everybody. This is the cream cream of the crop. Could you make Jason call me sir? And salute me. Do you have that power? So as I understand it though, you're a five. I was a for he was a 3 so I think we both need this alert you wow. You know what? Greatest mouth I've ever seen done. Well, so hold on if that's going to happen. You know, I just yeah, I'm not so basically the Admiral just told me I need to salute salute me. So you know, what Raymond for you? Wait for me to drop it. Oh, that's a good carry on. All right, thank you. So and we try and have a lot of fun on the show. Obviously the Frogman humor and it was one of the big things that I finish reading the Sea Stories this weekend. I really enjoyed it. There were some amazing stories of your career. But Avril one of the greatest things and one of the things that I love about the community, it's one of the things that Ray and I have in the show, it's the camaraderie. It's the shenanigans that have gone on there were a lot of stories in your book that you brought out the humor. Definitely one of the ones that I thought was hysterical because anybody that has done a lot of Civilian flight flying when you're in the military. I don't know what it is. If there is a direct flight you're going to take six legs to get where you're going and and you are always in the absolute worst seat on the plane and you make that reference. It's in the book that into a yeah. Yeah, always smell everything coming out of the head on 32 a yeah, so I loved I loved you joke about either they either they thought I had a small bladder or just like to always get off the plane last so I mean that's good stuff. So rare you and you and the Admiral have some connections. Yeah. So sir, obviously fellow SD fears. All right, most most of these guys don't know what the hell were talking about because we were the real frog man's that's it. It's like you can read my mind, but there is a story there's legend that has it that you guys were doing something off the coast of Villegas you were doing it with at the time was an E5 who is now it was my Senior Chief. That's that's how old school you are sir. And I was wondering if you could kind of elaborate on that because the word on the street was as you were waiting for an extraction. I'll let you get into it and you guys started telling some stories because like frogmen Do and maybe you can elaborate on that and of what happened what transpired from transponder what transpired from that from that message? Because that's what I think people want to hear is like how you just did the crazy shit that we did back in the day and there was a little surprised. Yeah little surprise double the surprise. Wow, so loyal so the context for here. So this is 1986 and and we are preparing for a very classified mission. Time to go against Qaddafi moammar qaddafi's oil pumping stations up Coast Libya, the remember Qaddafi had been involved in a number of terrorist operation State supported terrorist operations. We have the goods on him. So the plan was to go back and and do a kind of proportional stripe on it. But so so for your audience recognizing what a seal delivery vehicle is so this is a wet submersible. So think of it as, you know, a man torpedo if you will Oh with a shell over the top of it. So you have a pilot in the navigator in the front and you can cram a couple more guys in the front, but they better be small. And then you have a compartment in the back where you can put a couple of seals. So the pilot and Navigator deliver about four seals, maybe to the objective will this particular Mission required us to go in there were a pilot and Navigator and I was the Navy lieutenant in the back of the boat. And and with me I had all the demolition I had all the beacon. And our objective was going to be to launch from a big submarine because these little mini submarines launched from a big submarine at about 40 foot depth and then you go up to about 15 feet. And then we were travel for several hours come to the Libyan oil rigs. If you think it will matter way, we would go down to the bottom of these pumping stations load them with Demolition and then go to the next one there were three of them. So we were rehearsing this Mission off the coast of Villegas, I'll Puerto Rico and so this particular night. And it was a long-ass Mission. I mean these were 12 our missions. So when you think about being under water for 12 hours, you can imagine how challenging that is what this particular night was going to be a search and rescue mission and the idea was going to be that if in fact we were off the coast of Libya and we had problems with our seal delivery vehicle and we have the surface then we would deploy a beacon a radio Beacon a transponder that would initiate a signal to a to a P3 airplane that would signal a helicopter in the Copper would come get us. So that's what we were doing this particular night. So we launched from the big submarine and we travel for about an hour or so and we surfaced and again, this was just a rehearsal but as we are off the coast of Vieques Puerto Rico. This is an island of Puerto Rico we get to the sharpest and I'm in the back. I pull out the sonar buoy and I initiate the Pinger so the sonar buoy start spinning and this ping is both to be sending a signal to the airplane. Well, we are expecting to get picked up and about, you know, 30 or 40 minutes and so War kind of shorty wetsuit, so we were not very warm particular because we didn't think it'd be a long Mission. So as we surface the boat the boat gets buoyant. So the three of us are kind of sitting on top of the pile of the Navigator Dave Roberts as you mentioned was one of them sitting on the on the top of the boat and I'm sitting on a boat we're waiting till an hour goes by and then two hours goes by and then three hours goes by and of course, we are drifting out in the middle of the ocean. We have no safety boat. We know we don't know. Know where we are now because we've been drifting for hours. It is really getting cold. The weather is coming in things are really looking bad. And of course as the officer, you know, the the to the to enlisted guys, you know, they're obviously not happy but there but they are Troopers both great guys. And so I'm thinking well, what can I do to kind of lift their Spirits? So as you tend to do in these situations, I'm looking for a joke now again to set the scene you got three frogmen sitting on the top of this man torpedo. We're in these short wet suits. We are freezing our ass off. We are lost at sea essentially not knowing whether or not the helicopter is picked up the beacon the submarine doesn't know where we are. So I start telling this joke and the joke is a simple one. It's a gorilla walks into a bar and I remember Dave Turin to me going. Hey boss. This had better be good because we're really miserable out here. That's it. I got it. I got it. So a girl walks into the bar. And of course the bartender sees the gorilla and he runs back to his manager and Says Hey a gorilla just walked in the bar. What should I do? And the manager says we'll go see what he wants. So the bartender comes up good Grill and he says yeah, can I help you? The gorilla says like a gin and tonic the bartender goes back to Madrid says Hey the girl that wants to Jen and tonic manager says I tell you I'd get him a gin and tonic but charge him nine dollars for the drink. This is not he'll tell me you're tearing me apart. And he says now grows not very smart. He'll never know the difference. The bartender goes up. There's the magenta tonics is that'll be nice. Dollars drill reaches into his pocket gives him a ten. The bartender gives him a change and the bartender goes back to manager says hey you were right really didn't care. If not, very smart few minutes later. Gorilla pounds on the bar. Bartender comes over says, yes, I'd like another gin and tonic it's image and tonic really gives them 10 gives him a $1 change and and about that time. The the helicopter starts come we can hear the helicopter coming the course. I'm carrying on with a joke. And the the bartender comes up to the gorilla and he says, you know, we don't get too many Gorillas in here about that time. Dave goes. Hey, I hear the helicopter so also and I stopped the joke the helicopter starts to come but it's windy it's bad sees out there. We're rocking and rolling the helicopters having trouble takes us about 45 minutes. Finally we get we get hoisted up into the helicopter and the three of us travel back to Roosevelt roads. Well, I get back to Rosie roads and we're going back through our Barracks area and all the sudden a master chief petty officer a master-at-arms. So like a military police comes to our barracks and says looking for lieutenant mcraven looking for me. He says Commander Mabry wants to see you and the Admiral wants to see you. I said what Admiral? Yes, sir. I was just told to come get you so they grabbed me we go all the way across about 45 minutes and we go all the way across. Across the base an empty parking lot and there in the empty parking lot is Commander Bob Mabry who had been the commander of the the team and this Admiral who I don't know and so they're talking to me and they say hey we need you to come debrief the tonight's Mission. So I walk into this Hangar and there about 200 people in the hangar where the hell these people came from. I don't know who they are. And so the Admiral says, you know, let me introduce you to All the people that are kind of behind the scenes that have been monitoring your mission tonight and I'm thinking monitoring our mission. So as typical with Sailors, we had been sitting on the top. I mean bitching about everybody about the commanding officer in the summary about our own commanding officer. Oh not, you know, go lurid Affairs that these guys have been involved in a way even guys Team guys yet. That's exactly what I'm thinking. You have got to be kidding. Me and so everybody all these 200 people there looking at me. I'm still in my wet suit and and he says well, we'd like you to debrief the 200 folks on the mission. I said, okay sir, he says but before you do that, we want to know what the punch line is the punchline what punchline he goes. You didn't know there was a microphone in that buoy, didn't you? And of course they had been listening to everything we had And so of course, they all start laughing. I'm the brunt of the joke. And so I had to tell the punch line the bus line was the bartender comes up to the grill and says, you know, we don't get too many Gorillas in here and the gorilla said, well Helen for nine dollars a drink. I'm not surprised. It's not a very funny joke what the joke was on me because these folks have been listening to everything. We've been saying all night long. Wow what I tell the story about so the mission doesn't go as you were. Call this was called El Dorado Canyon a couple of weeks later. The Air Force came in and actually bombed qaddafi's headquarters, but about a month or so after that. I am driving into work and no Kiddin. I'm turning on the radio. And this was the old died already. I'm turned on the radio and I hear from the DJ on the radio, you know, we don't get too many Gorillas in here and the gorilla says well for nine dollars a drink. I'm not surprised that is a no-shit true story that. I heard that joke fold over the radio after this this classified event. So somehow that was too good a story to be kept secret. That's not a cent opsec for you. Wow. I can only imagine man sitting there dude. I mean for all of us we've sat there on those long dark hard cold missions and dude all those stories. I would have been cringing so well. Hey, let's jump into the word of the day. You know this show we always focus on what is that? Pivotal word of leadership that sums up the Our Guest on the show and obviously this show is no different. We were church. We reached out to the Admiral ahead of time and he said, you know, what word would you say best describes you and your career that means the most for you and Ray would you do the honor either word that the Admiral chose was persevere and so sir, what I do is I just read it right off of Webster's and then what we like to do is have you elaborate and what it means to you? So right off dictionary right here to persist in anything. Undertaken maintain a purpose in spite of difficulty obstacles and discouragement continued steadfastly. So that is the Webster's Dictionary. I think you're going to have probably a little bit different version of that sir. If you make yeah, I don't know that my version is that much different but the fact the matter is as you guys all know, you know, when you go through Shield training and particularly nowadays. I did a lot of young kids coming up and you know wanting to know what the secret to getting through Shield training is and they'll ask me. You know, should I run more? You know should I do more push-ups should do more pull-ups. And of course the answer is always the same. You just don't quit and they say no. No, I understand that as a no. I'm not sure you do I said the fact that matter is you'll have a thousand opportunities going through Shield training to quit. You. Just don't quit you have to persevere. So, you know, when all you guys think about going through training you think about those nice where you are cold wet and miserable and you just continue to press through and then you get into the SEAL Teams and frankly. For my career and you know knowing your guys background it not a lot different, you know and Jason certainly you had to overcome an incredible amount of challenges. But in my career as a young Lieutenant, I was fired from a job. Yeah. I was an elite East Coast Seal Team. You know, you think you're doing great the next thing, you know, the commanding officer comes up and says hey you are no longer wanted here. You've got to go on and find employment elsewhere. Well, that's a That's a tough thing to stomach and you make a decision right then and there well, okay, my career could be over and I remember, you know, I credit my wife and we've been married for 41 years. But this was one of the first times in my career when you know, I thought about quit and she said to me she said, you know, you've never quit anything in your life don't start now and this was about perseverance. It was about persevering through the failure of not, you know, excelling at that Seal Team. It was a persevering through Whispers that you hear and you know, you know have Team guys are it's like any organization, you know, you screw up. Everybody knows you screwed up and now they may come up to you and say hey Bill how you doing? You know that, you know, you're a great guy and everything and you know what, they're thinking. Are you good enough to be one of my officers. Are you good enough to lead Shields and combat. Are you good enough to be part of these things and you have to persevere through that you have to overcome that and continue to this on and then again throughout the course of your career, you're always challenged with whether it's constant family moves whether it is things that don't go right in the command and then of course after 9/11 every day was kind of a challenge you make mistakes in combat things don't always go well and you have to decide whether or not you're going to kind of persevere through the challenges so I certainly am no smarter no more talented no more heroic no more Brave. No more accomplished than anybody else. I know. In fact, I am well below most of those standards, but the one thing I learned very early on was you just have to persevere through the challenging times and sometimes success comes to those folks the persevere and you know, those folks don't persevere. They go on to do other things Admiral I can definitely relate to that for our listeners that are out there. Obviously. I mean, those are know me know that I leadership failure in my career. Also I talked about it really Ali it's the the basis of the tried and that journey of leadership being able to overcome and Conquer thank you know, those those hard lessons and I go into a little bit of depth in the new book but a question I have for you because I know I've felt a lot people even to this day you find people that want to bring those things up. You made it all the way to the very senior level of your career and we carry these scars. It's one of the things I talked about in overcome, you know, we have His wife ambushes that come along my leadership failure was one of the life ambushes. I went through. I have no doubt. It was one of the ones you went through because obviously you talk about the journey where you know, thank God we have our long-haired Admirals who keep us in check because mine made a big difference for me also, but what advice would you give to the others out there when we're going through these periods when we've had these failures when we've been knocked down and we're driving forward, but we always have the naysayers. We always have the Haters at want to bring it back up and throw it in your face. Even as you climb higher, how do you stay focused on? Hey, I learned from that and this is where what I learned from it. How do you stay focused on that? What advice would you pass on to those out there who are moving up their own leadership ladder and they've got those scars those life ambushers. They've encountered Yeah, you know you can certainly turn the challenges and the failures in the successes and I think you know most of the great men and women I know have had failures they have had, you know failures of leadership layers of management sometimes failures of integrity. And and so you have to be able to overcome these I can't think of a single successful person. I know who hasn't had to overcome some failure. So you have to learn from the failure. So your Really have to be I think so critical and so as I went through this, you know, I look back and said, okay, what could I have done better and but you also have to have confidence in yourself and realize that yeah, you could have done a lot of things better. Now, you have to go out and work twice as hard and the thing that I have learned I think early on in my life. Is it to overcome the challenges you double down on work? So you have to work harder than everybody else? Have to prove I mean and it is proving you've got to prove yourself. I tell a story when I was a Navy Captain a senior Navy Captain. I was working in the white house. As you know, Jay. I had a parachute accident got severely banged up but this was about a year and a half after the parachute accident and I was just starting to kind of rehab and I went from Washington DC down to Virginia Beach and we had a little seal the Commodore down there and invited me down. And so I'm where the bunch of seals and we're doing our usual. Of PT and then we're going to go for a run. Well again, if my parachute accident been pretty severe I busted my pelvis ripped a bunch of muscles out. So so I kind of get through the PT, but then we're going to go for a 10 mile run and so we start off and and I hang for about two hundred yards and then of course the guys leaving and it was a couple of two-mile loops around the one of the parks are in Virginia Beach and I remember at one point in time as I am falling way behind a guy comes up to me and And I'm doing the best I can and he says to me he goes he says cat and I don't understand you says you don't have anything left to prove. Why are you doing this? You know, why are you out here running with the guys after you've been busted up because you know, you were the Commodore you're coming from the White House, you've got nothing left to prove and that guy was absolutely wrong. The fact of the matter is certainly in the team's My Philosophy has been every single day you wake up you I've got to prove that you are good enough to earn that trident own that tried man. If the day comes when you think that you've accomplished everything you can accomplish and that you're as good as you're going to be the new probably need to step aside because you're not there every day is a challenge every single day. You have to prove you are good enough and that failure for me back in 1983 1984 that failure to meet kind of reinforce the fact that hey, you know, you can be on top of the world one day. And then get knocked down the next and that's going to happen. Then you just work twice as hard and get back to proving that you are good enough to be whatever your position is a doctor a lawyer a teacher a policeman a fireman or a seal. I love it. I love it. My I got to tell you I'm not going to tip off the readers because they need to go read your book see stories. But Ray and I affectionately called your skydiving accident the wishbone accident. Yeah. Yeah. I bet you felt like a Unlucky turkey untaxed given what you know Jenna I'm always quick to point out that you know the story while a lot of people kind of focus on that. You know, when I look at the the guys like you and others who really had serious accidents and injuries as a result of combat operations mean my accident paled in comparison the point I tried to make in that particular story. It was it took a whole lot of people to get me up and running again. It took my wife to be my Nurse a Molson kind of made sure. I was able to stay in the Navy, you know, the guys came around and kept my morale up and got me working again. And as you know, if you don't have those those fellow frogmen those comrades those friends to help you through the tough times life can be pretty doggone challenging. So my parachute accident as traumatic as it might have seemed really paled in comparison to what you and so many guys and gals have been through after 9/11. Amen. And I appreciate you saying that and I know for all the other Wounded Warriors that are out there but you know, one of the things ran I've talked about a lot on this show is you know, everybody lives in their own personal hell and it's easy to sometimes take a look at somebody else that may be going through something hard and what it can give you perspective which is a great thing can motivate you but it also can you know make you feel sorry for yourself because you're like God, you know, why should I be? Why should I be struggling through this? So the bottom line is everybody lives in their own person at ha you got to drive. For it, that's all that it comes down to Everyday proving yourself driving forward you did it and you ended up at the you know, just making an incredible contribution to both the seal Community by setting the example. So, I think it's great. Okay. I got my question sir firework here. We go rewinding or Mourns. We're rewinding University of Texas 2014. I was the motivational coach for the UCLA Bruins working under coach salad. OC and Coach Jim Moore and it happened we heard it. There was this epic speech that someone gave the question I have sir is probably one of the most impactful speeches I've ever heard. I looked it up this morning you currently right now 10 million. Hey thousand views. Yeah, but the thing is is the question to have with you sir is let's two part question one what inspired you to give that specific speech and to Did you think you were going to receive the impacted you I mean when I have a bad day and this is a CEO who's my job is I motivate people I'm not gonna bullshit you sir. I listened to this and it's not a short speech but it's I call it my Shawshank Redemption. It's something that once I start once it comes on. I can't put it down. So can you kind of elaborate sir to why you gave that speech and you know, did you think it was going to be as impactful as it was? Yeah, so the I am University of Texas at Austin graduate. So kind of after the bin Laden raid and there were some notoriety behind that. But president of UT asked me to come be the commencement speaker for the the class of 2014 and and I have actually been working on another speech and you know, I haven't day job. I was a commander US Special Operations Command, so I didn't have a whole lot of time to write this thing and it'll around with on the weekend and then finally kind of sat down. The right and it will the winds day before the Saturday. I was supposed to give the speech. I realized it didn't work, you know a good speech is got to have a beginning a middle an end. It's got to have a theme and the speech I had written wasn't working. So I went down to my wife. I was a little bit in a panic mode and light of the fact that I was going to be standing before 30,000 students and parents here on Saturday. And she says to me why don't you write about something, you know thought well, that's uh, Clever idea I said the problem is you know, all I know is how to be a seal and I'm about to you know, step up in front of 8,000 graduates. I'm going to be in uniform. I don't I don't know whether or not you know students want to hear about being a sealed but I realized that I could take the lessons from SEAL training and and maybe turn them into a life lesson. So that kind of became the the approach it was and again as you guys will know this with these are just lessons that you learn going. Shield training and of course we started out every day by making our bed and getting that inspected and and then I talk about the munchkin crew and the number of other things so it really was just a chronology of my SEAL training that I think it would get this kind of traction. Absolutely not and in fact the show you kind of what an old guy I am when I got through giving the speech one of my security guys comes up to me afterwards and says, hey you have a your speech is trending on. On YouTube. Well, I didn't know what the hell trending on YouTube. So I said well, I guess that's a good thing unless it's trending poorly. But but then it just it kind of took off and I you know, I think the reason it has gained so much traction. Is that as you guys can appreciate their simple lessons and we're frogmen, you know, we don't we try not to complicate things. So these are not complicated things, you know, making your bed is not something that's hard to do. But we also know that that can be pretty impactful. It's that it's not about making your bed. It is about doing something every morning that kind of gets you up and get you moving that you take a little pride in that kind of encourages you to do another thing and another and of course the making your bed was also about doing the little things well, and if there's one thing we've learned in the SEAL Teams is you have to be able to do the little things. Well clean your weapon take care of your gear, you know know the Playbook on a mission do the little things well and you'll be able to do the big things well, So so I was pleased that so many folks have have enjoyed the speech. Yeah, if you have not seen this speech definitely just go on YouTube check it out. It is an amazing speech. I mean when I was running my when I was running my organization and one of the we run our overcome Academy the leadership program for Wounded Warriors, we're teaching them how to speak and I actually used your speech as one of the templates to show them the flow of a speech and how well you set it up the use of humor all those things. So yeah, my daughter is she's 11 now Sarah and I showed her that video back in the day and she used to get up and we used to help. Our but now she's 11. She makes her own bed. You know, I always tell our sense of accomplishment. You do one great thing. Let's do something else and something else. So my point is is thank you for that, sir, because it actually changed my life. And I mean it's amazing after all, you know, you talk about doing the little things. Well and first off I just want to tell you once again, thank you so much for contributing to my book the stories. Are you share an overcomer amazing? And it's actually one of these stories that actually relates directly to what you're talking about and it's holding ourselves accountable. It is making sure we do all the little things well and you tell the story of going to skin, which is an outpost on the afghanistan-pakistan border really hard place to be a place where our troops were always coming into contact and you had an individual that basically had been out there too long. He was supposed to provide a brief to you and a more senior ranking officer at the time. I believed you were you were one star at that time and army officer was maybe a two or three star and this individual was not prepared for Brief and pretty much had scrapped all protocol that there was and when you and as a matter of fact, he just didn't do certain things and in the military we always do I don't care where you are, you know, unless you're in the middle of a battlefield. We obviously don't salute there. But other than that, we follow protocol because it's what makes exactly like your speech talks about these little things make the big things work and in you talk about that in the book how in critical it is as a lie. Leader that we have to hold not only ourselves but our people accountable for anybody out there. Can you elaborate just a little more on that? Because I meet so many leaders that have a hard time having those hard conversations when they notice that something's out of alignment, but they're like, I you know, I don't want to be the bad guy. I don't want to hold my pee. You know, I know I should say something but I'm not going to and I think even you and that story talk about for a few minutes you debated whether you're going to say something because of the conditions and then I said, you know what the right thing the right thing. So, can you elaborate a little bit on that and Leadership? We have a lot of leaders that listen to this podcast. I think this point of accountability is such a critical one. Yeah, thanks. And you're right. It is critical is particularly critical for leaders or managers in any position. The fact that matter is everybody that joins an organization wants to join an elite organization. I don't care whether you are working at the pizza place whether you're working at the post office whether you're working at an elite Seal Team. Nobody says gee I want to be part of a mediocre organization. Where's that mediocre organization? That's what I want to go join know you want to be part of a great organization. Organizations are great because you set high standards and you hold people accountable for meeting those standards soldiers in particular what to be good soldiers. They want to make sure that the work they are doing is noble and is Honorable they want to be held accountable because they understand that in order for them to be part of a great organization. You have to have high standards and you want people to achieve those high standards. There's a great book called morale just like it sounds morale by guy named John Baines and I had read the book, you know, probably 20 years before that so hard to find book. I'd read it at the Naval Postgraduate School and and Baines goes back and he does research on the 5th Scottish rifles the fist got his rifles and they were a unit prior to World War One in the British army that was considered one of the worst units in the British Army. And so he details why there was such a bad unit. And they were a bad unit because the commanding officer treated those that performed. Well, no differently than those Slackers. So, you know, he didn't push the Slackers to become better and consequently those guys were busting their hump said why am I busting my hump? Why am I trying to look sharp? Why am I trying to be the best soldier I can when the Slackers are treated just the same way. Well prior to World War One a new commanding officer comes in and he says hey A boys here's the deal. We are going to become the best unit. The British army here is the standards that I expect of everybody and if you can't meet those standards you're going to go somewhere else. So he turns the unit around they go on during the Battle of new shop L and 1915 to be one of the most decorated units in the British army, but the point of the book about morale is just as we all know in the military, if you don't set the standards and hold people accountable then before long that good order and discipline, which is essential for every Cool thing we do particularly on the battlefield, you know, we think of good order and discipline to your point Jason about okay. This is just something you do in Garrison. Yeah. This is where we make sure we have good uniforms that were clean shaven. Yeah, you know that we salute need to that. We have the right military protocol. Let me tell you that is even more important when you are in combat because in combat the soldiers the soldiers Sailors Airmen and Marines if you allow them to kind of get off the reservation to kind of go to the dark side because Combat will do that is you know, when you start killing people on a daily basis when you see your buddies blown up when all the sudden you are living in a place like skin or someplace else and you don't have to shave every day and you don't have to put on a decent looking uniform and you don't have to do these sort of things before long. It affects your own personal morale and before long the good order and discipline starts to decline. I don't know if I mentioned to you when we talked last time, but when I became the commander of jsoc I went over to Afghanistan and I pulled one of the Navy captains in my chief of staff and I said I said Bill I said I want to send out a message. I'm telling everybody to cut their beards shave their beards off and I remember he said me said sir, you can't do that. I mean, you know, we need to we need to have a committee, you know, we need to take a hard. Look at this. We need to we need to do a thorough examination. And I said, okay Bill. I'll tell you what I'll give you one week and then when when you come back in a week, I'm still going to tell them to cut off their beards or stars or that's not intellectually honest. They said we just I said, okay you go talk to the non-commissioned officers and then get back to me. So about two weeks later he comes back and his head's kind of down. He said I said, well what's up, and he said well, sorry you said that I've talked to all the ncos. I've gone to all the Outpost. I've talked all the sergeant majors the mass Chiefs. They think we need to cut the Beards off and so we cut the Beards off except for those guys that truly needed them. The guys were working kind of undercover. And the reason we did that was because as you know, when you grew a beard in Afghanistan or in Iraq it just it took away from a little bit of Of what we know soldiers need the soldiers want to wake up as much of a pain in the ass. It is is you get up every morning just shave you may not have a crisp starts uniform a dog on and you put on something that looks like a uniform because you want to have good order and discipline. You want to have a military bearing about you and when you start growing that big Afghan beard and you can kind of snarl at people through that and everything about it starts to change as soon as we cut off the Beards. I mean the guys all of a sudden you could see Come up you could see they had a change because doggone it they were soldiers again. It's a small thing. It's a little bit like making your bed, but you have to as a commander you have to reinforce the good order and discipline or when you're in the middle of combat. It is easy to go to the dark side to have people start to go down that slippery slope and then they feel bad about themselves, you know, they they get into firefights and maybe shoot people. They shouldn't shoot or they do something that they regret later on because nobody kept them in. The Box my job as a commander was to keep the guys in the moral legal and ethical box as much as you could in a wartime environment. Yeah, that's and that's what it's about as a leader, you know to hold the hold people accountable. I think it's awesome. I think it's so important and so many leaders sometimes are afraid to do that. Not recognizing this long-term impact. I want to flip it around to another story you tell in Sea Stories That I Found fascinating because it's almost the flip side of this in when things go wrong. Sometimes there is an opportunity to capitalize on a bad decision and it is the story you You told about one night. You got a late night phone call and you were told hey, I got bad news. We've got some you were going after a high value Target a guy that had been going into Syria and basically launching his operations out of Syria and then going back across the border and you guys were trying to figure out a way to get this guy and all of a sudden one night accidentally a group of army operators found themselves on the other side of the border, which is a big No-No without high-level approval and You immediately implemented emergency action procedures and then you went to your boss who was General Petraeus at the time and this story fascinated me because you when I read what Petraeus asked you first, which was did you let them keep going and I was dumbfounded by that but it also made me recognize that good leaders recognize. Sometimes we have to make risky decisions. And what is your advice for leaders out there when things are starting to go off the rails? Where can you look for those opportunities to capitalize on a mistake where you could actually turn it into your advantage, you know, because that was a perfect situation where this occurred and I'll be honest. I don't even think you saw that coming when Petraeus said that is for you, but I found that story fascinating and I thought there were so many deep lessons in it as a leader that you know a good leader. Sometimes have to make risky decisions and obviously Times they don't pan out. So well and other times, you know, you walk away looking like the prom King right? It's funny. I was just with General Petraeus last week and we were talking about this story because he read the book and he remembered the event very clearly. So your timing is perfectly perfect on this. Yeah, you know, I think this is the real nature of leadership day is its. Yeah. I tell folks, you know, people ask me all the time are good leaders born or can you make a good leader? My answer is always the same you can absolutely Positively make a good leader. I mean that's what the military does every single day. We take young men and women, you know from all corners of the globe and we teach them good order and discipline. We teach them how to be responsible. We teach them how to how to take the right actions and they can become good leaders. However, I would offer that great leaders the truly great men and women that lead that there is something in their DNA that is just a little bit different. It is their ability to see opportunities as you pointed out in the Where other people may not see opportunities. I have the chance to work for General Petraeus on three separate occasions. I think frankly more than any other army officer. So I work for him when he was in Iraq. I work for him as a centcom commander and then I work for him when he was in Afghanistan and and I have tremendous respect for General Petraeus. And this was one of those times when having worked for him. This was interact haven't worked from you. He's also a pretty Stern guy and he can wire brush or pretty quick if you do something wrong. Wrong. So what what I found amazing about that night was as you point out. So my Army operators had gone across the border into Syria to get this bad guy. They weren't supposed to be there. I like to think that I had handled it. Well on my end by going back to the army colonel and saying I got it. Let's not overreact to this but I still got to notify Petraeus. So when I went to see Petraeus my expectation was that he was going to fire me up and he was going to wire brush me and say WTF. What were you Thinking, you know and instead he kind of paused. I think he realized again because of his experience that we were trying to do the right thing. The guys were trying to do right even if they got a little overzealous and so, you know, he said to me well, you probably should let him keep going and then you know when he found out I said, well, I've already recalled them. They should be back, you know across the board here within the hour. He said okay, you know, I'll we'll keep this between you and me unless something goes south and I really appreciated that and it was a great learning experience for me. So you think you know by that time. I'm a three-star Admiral I've experienced an awful lot of my career, but you can always learn something more and and there were many times in my time as the jsoc commander and the socom commander and frankly I think before that's not it's not that it's a lesson. I hadn't learned but you get a lot of opportunity to implement that lesson in a wartime environment when you see guys that are out there in a combat environment didn't shot at Are trying to do right but they don't always doesn't always come off. Well, and you as the leader. Yeah, you can bring them in you can wire brush em, what you have to be able to do is you bring them in you talk through the mistakes. They made if the mistakes they made were honest mistakes trying to do the right thing. Then you just correct those mistakes and you move forward if now, you know conversely if the mistakes they made we're kind of premeditated bad mistakes that were not kind of upholding the you know what it is. You know moral legal and ethical if they were those kind of mistakes, then you handle it differently. But if it were mistakes that we're trying to do the right thing for all the right reasons, then you have to cut them some slack and move forward. Nice. Well, I know I've had some slack cut in my career. So we all have yeah, we all have self. Well, you know, there's so much. I mean we could probably spend hours. There's so many lessons both that you share in my book. Obviously the lessons you have in your book and make your bed, boo. all these things, you know, but let's fast-forward you now are out there and recently you created a little bit of a firestorm you are you did something that a lot in the military say, oh my God, we should never do this and you wrote an op-ed that basically question President Trump and about some of the recent decision making and some of the division we're seeing in this country and I know you know, I see individuals on both, you know the right and the left, you know, I have some individuals on the right who just are so upset at that op-ed. I'd love to hear your thoughts on it. Why you know, where do you really stand right? You know, where what motivated you to write that? Yeah. Well first, you know, I've told folks is as you well know there is this kind of Unwritten rule that is retired senior officers. We don't question the commander-in-chief and I think that is a good Rule and I have told folks, you know, I received a lot of criticism Susan for this and I think it is fair criticism. So when somebody comes up and says, you know Admiral you shouldn't have done that. I said, you know, that's fair criticism having said that you know, my oath was to the Constitution of the United States and and consequently, I've got to wake up every morning and look myself in the mirror and decide is being quiet more more honourable than than speaking out and sometimes you know, you you just have to make the decision that you think think speaking out is it was worth the criticism you're going to take so in this particular case and I've told folks before I said, this is I want the president to do. Well every American should want the president to do well and and frankly, I don't have a lot of disagreements with some of the president's policies. You know, I think we need a strong border. I think we need to engage China on their unfair trade acts. I think you know going Out while I wouldn't have engaged North Korea the way the president has I don't have any problem with with him engaging with kim-jong un you know, should we pull out of Syria? Well, I think these are policy discussions and I have no issues with you know, good folks on both sides of the aisle having an honest discussions about policy decisions my concern and the reason I wrote the op-ed really had to do as much with the president not Not adhering to the process and so in in this really wasn't about Gallagher. I mean Gallagher was the kind of face of the discussion in Syria was about the face of the discussion. But but the fact the matter is let's take Syria to start with because that's kind of what drove the beginning of the op-ed was. This was this idea that you know put the president really didn't engage with his military leadership before he tweeted the fact that we are pulling out of Syria. So if Gone through the process and had a serious engagement with the military and had good discussions with his principles though the secretary of state Secretary defense and the others and said look, I'm thinking about pulling out of Syria. What do you think the military could have come back and said well, mr. President then if we're going to do that we need to do that in a measured passion so that we can take care of our allies that we can do this so that our guys aren't at risk Etc. But of course that is not the way it unfolded unfold it and tweet and it caught a lot of the military. Worship off guard the issue of the Gallagher case of course has been that the president well within his right to Pardon Gallagher or anybody else after the courts martial or after the proceedings. There is a thing called, you know, unlawful command influence unlawful command influence. It is a violation of the uniform code of military Justice for any senior officer in the chain of command to opine. On the outcome of a preceding a tribunal or course Marshall before it is complete. And the reason you can't do that is because you know, when I was the Commodore of Naval special Warfare group one, I was not allowed to go down and tell the commanding officer of Seal Team One how I thought his Captain's Mast should come out that's unlawful command influence or undue influence. You can't do that and of course for the president of states to come out and talk about again. Really not not having anything to do with Gallagher, but the president of states is not supposed to put his position out there before these things are completed now once a jury has you know, come out once a courts-martial is complete once a tribunal or proceeding is over then the president can absolutely make the decision. Now how many problems with that but this really was an issue of the president has come out against the intelligence Community has come out against the law enforcement Community. He's come out against the state. Apartment and now of course, she's beginning to kind of come out against the Deep state that he feels that the military leadership has and I just think this undermines, you know, the important aspects of who we are as a nation. The President should be supporting those institutions rather than trying to undermine them but having said all that I want the president to do. Well, I want all of you know, the American institutions to do well We just need his help and and getting there. Yeah, I'm into that. I mean there's a lot of division in this country right now. I think for all of us. I know I do. I want to see ways that we can bring it back together to bring the American people back together and unified and in understanding the beliefs and the foundation of what this nation is. I mean, that's what I fought for. It's what I signed up for. It's what I'll continue to fight for. So I respect you taking a stance. I know you've gotten a lot of heat for it, but You know, that's what it's about in this, you know, it's about taking a stance, you know men, you know much better to stand by your convictions be heard instead of while I want silence. Hey, man. Amen. So Sarah is we're starting to wrap up. I'd like to kind of give you a brief rundown of what's going to happen first. Let me explain when we wrap up. We like to do what's called the two-minute segment of motivational. Just we like to end with the two minutes of what you know, Our word of the day means each one of us likes to hit on it. And that's where we really like to close home. But before we do that, this is probably one of the most beneficial points that I think people can get away from here especially coming from you is what three pieces of advice. Would you give to a leader? That's that's it. I mean, I can't say junior you leader. I can't say senior leader because your you've been there you've done both. So if you were in an elevator and and you had 30 seconds to tell ya someone you had three pieces of innocent. Yeah, what would you tell me? Yeah, that's pretty straightforward for me. You know, we expect our leaders to be servant leaders. So the answer is you take care of the troops take care of the troops and the truth will take care of you. I mean it is as simple as that now let me expand on that a little bit because taking care of the troops doesn't mean you know, giving them every Friday off and cut them slack when they don't look sure taking care of the troops means, you know, you set high expectations you give them the resources to do the job and then you hold them accountable when they are not. Achieving the expectations in the standards. You expect that is taking care of the troops because again every troop again as I said before whether whether you're working in the pizza place and the post office or the Seal team, everybody wants to be part of a great organization. So to be part of a great organization, you set high standards you give the men and women the resources to do the job and then you hold them accountable when they don't do the job. That's how you move a great organization long. So that would be you know part 1 part 2 is 4 a leader you really have to get down with the troops. There's a great saying from the Pope that the says a Shepherd should smell like his sheep Shepherd should smell like a shoe. I like that because it is about the fact that hey when I was a three-star, I would go out on missions, you know, maybe once or twice a month and part of this was the troops want to see you sharing the dangers. Sharing the hardships with them. They don't want to think that their Admiral is just sitting there in Bagram or and Bellagio drinking a cup of coffee while they're they're getting shot at you have to get down there and find out where the troops are going through. But I know this isn't just about combat. I tell CEOs all the time. Look you need to go down to the mailroom or whatever the equivalent of the mailroom is and do the mailroom job find out what the guys in the Mailroom and the dowels and the in the Mailroom are doing so that you can make better decisions. That are going to affect your organization. One of the best lessons I learned was when I was a Navy midshipmen at the University of Texas in between your freshman and sophomore year. They send you on what they euphemistically call a cruise. So I went as a as a midshipman. I went out to the USS OLED. It was a fast figured out of Pearl Harbor and as a budding officer, they make you an enlisted guy. So you live with the enlisted men, you know down in the in the Exes, I mean you're scrubbing the deck you're cleaning the Hedge, you're working the boiler rooms and it gives you this great sense of the fact that the officers that are above decks, you know on the bridge in the staterooms making the decisions how those decisions affect the Sailor at the deck plate level and it is the greatest lesson I had is that as an officer or a leader when you make a decision you better understand how that decision. It affects everybody in your organization. The only way you will know that is if you share the hardships with them if you share the pain with them if you have been in been there and done that job. Yeah, we're fortunate as seals is that we all go through training together and we know, you know, kind of what we've all been through. That's how the officers and the enlisted I've kind of earned the respect and I think that's important. But at the end of the day it really is about taking care of the troops and then, you know leading from the front and sometimes leading. The front means getting down and doing the jobs with the guys. And then well awesome sir. It's just been an honor to have you on. I mean just a wealth of knowledge a wealth of leadership. I mean your your professional resumes awesome. So thank you for taking the time to you Admiral. Thank you for contributing my book. We're going to we're going to wrap it up two minutes two minutes two minutes. So we're going to you want to go first. I don't know who goes I guess. We let him decide. We'll let it show so the way we do this real quickly. We wrap it up we go back to the word of the day which person Here so just shotgun this and actually how about I'll go just so you can kind of see how we do it. It's really fast our shotgun approach. Okay, then we'll look and then we'll let you have the last word shall L write the word of the day today is persevere are amazing guest Admiral Bill mcraven talked about it was the quintessential thing that really allowed his career to go forward. I got to tell you I feel his pain when we talk about leadership failure. It was what enabled me to drive forward so many times I questioned myself. If I doubted myself, you know, I felt the naysayers and it was my ability to drive forward and persevere and lean on great people around me that social leadership I talk about it was persevering and driving forward when you are down when you were on the X when you add those life ambushes, you have to persevere drive forward. Amen persevere attack the hill ladies and gentlemen, no matter how bad it gets. You've got to keep pushing forward keep pushing upward. You're going to have good days. You're going to have bad days lead. Said levels from the top the bottom bottom to top we're going to make mistakes. My motto is failed to you succeed. But just put a hundred percent of who you are and put that mindset in everything that you're doing. You will overcome and Conquer everything that you set your mind to I am sitting here among two great individuals who I respect very much in the SEAL Teams. I'm in all so sir, excuse me Admiral. I'm going to turn it over to you. They persevere. Never rang the bell. It's pretty simple. Oh, yeah, you'll always have that opportunity to quit and you'll think it's easy. You will think quitting makes things better. It never makes things better. And as long as you're going to go into life for this this attitude that you're never going to ring the bell, you never going to quit then then you'll be successful in life. Amen. Boom. I got nothing. All right, holy smokes. Well, this has been another episode of the overcoming conquer show. I am Jason overcome Redmond and I'm Ray cash care and we are out. Umm, thanks for listening to the overcome and Conquer show tune in next time and please remember to subscribe on iTunes, please visit overcome and conquer.com. The overcoming conquer show is presented by the project. The project is a full immersion 75 our experience designed for men who know in their core. They are not living up to their fullest potential rather than waking up every morning ready to dominate life. The mediocre man rolls out of bed and slides. Into the same unfulfilling routine. They've unhappily been in for way too long. 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Admiral William H. McRaven, is a retired U.S. Navy Four-Star admiral and the former Chancellor of the University of Texas System. During his time in the military, he commanded special operations forces at every level, eventually taking charge of the U.S. Special Operations Command. His career included combat during Desert Storm and both the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. As the Chancellor of the UT System he led one of the nation’s largest and most respected systems of higher education. As the chief executive officer of the UT System, McRaven oversaw 14 institutions that educated 220,000 students and employed 20,000 faculty and more than 80,000 health care professionals, researchers, and staff. McRaven is a recognized national authority on U.S. foreign policy and has advised Presidents George W. Bush, Barack Obama and other U.S. leaders on defense issues. He currently serves on the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) and the National Football Foundation. McRaven graduated from The University of Texas at Austin in 1977 with a degree in Journalism, and received his master’s degree from the Naval Postgraduate School in Monterey in 1991. He met his wife, Georgeann, while they were students at UT Austin, and they have three grown children. McRaven stays active with his writing, speaking and board commitments.

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You gonna shoot me you're not, you know, you know the still very disrespectful and you could tell that although he believed his father. He didn't scare him enough to where he was not going to stop and I feel like nobody Scared I feel like that that is the point we'll get to it later. But that is the bottom line. It doesn't matter what anyone has to say at this point. He's going to read was doing what he wants to do. And that's where his focus is. It doesn't matter what they say so real and so so now moving forward so then when when Tasha and ghost are having the conversation, first of all, we're goes been sleeping these past two episodes. We all know hotels because it Every episode at the very end of the night. He's been at Tasha's house. So I just wanted to just be Petty Pablo and just be messy and ask that question. I don't think that they're back together, but I think I think Tasha might be nice enough, which he shouldn't to let him sleep on the sofa. I think she would I don't think he's been hanging with So she attached to stop interfering and stop walled. Let's not even start. Yeah. Sure bro. Do you think she should stop interfering when ghost is trying to when ghost is trying to reprimand? Tariq go says that he's he's too far to to be soft to be soft on him now go Swanson back on the right path to go to school get an education and that this is the end of this drug shit for the family. Tariq will eventually appreciate goes for what he's doing Tasha says to recuse yourself. Son, he's going to find a way to get the money and the drugs back Tasha. Then sarcastically says, you know, basically, okay ghost. So do you just I'm so really quickly before we before we go forward into to Tasha and ghost Tasha and to read do you think that that that is one of the reasons why the wedge is being pulled because she thinks that he shouldn't be disciplined and that he should expect and that to reach you be accepted for who he is while goes Sam to not do what they did. What do you guys think? I just thought that there's two different perspectives here. I think Tasha's sees him as what he actually is in ghosts still sees him as what he actually isn't in ghost is holding on trying to keep him in as that little kid whatever whenever he thinks that he actually is there was actually two lines that stuck out go said make him learn to love me again that I was one of them and then to give him a life I never had when he when he said those lines I my face was like what you're talking about. Somebody who's caught a body here. So somebody who's done a whole lot of dirt and you're still trying to give him a life. That's so far out then the actions that he's done. So it just didn't make any sense. Well, I think it doesn't make sense to people who are viewing it. Right, but if you're looking for at the perspective of both characters, Tasha let's take her she just lost her one child. So she's trying to pretty she's trying to do everything to protect. Well, you know the latter part but no not even in that. She's trying to do her best to protect him. And then that's probably why there's that pool that says don't put a gun to his head and everything like that now from Ghost perspective. He's trying to do everything also to protect his son. And so they're kind of working on Extreme opposites here. Both for the right reason for the right reason now, we know we feel like, you know to read needs to beat down and all of the different things but they're just they're both coming from a perspective that I think they believe they're right. So now let's move forward. We are going to go into Tarik a little bit later, but since we're on the topic of Tasha and to wreak so we're going to move forward. So at the very end of the episodes so now to wreak get to drugs from Dre. Yep, and he's going to start pushing some of his drugs. And then we are going to talk about Derek and Tommy later. But at the very end of all of this Tasha then says to to wreak that yes, you are going to go to school. Yes, you are going to get the education, but I'm going to educate you on how to sell drugs and how to do it properly without getting killed. It should have dawned on me. I think Tasha. I mean, we're all giving her the lip because you know, especially if you're I mean, I'm a mom I could never imagine. You know having that kind of conversation with my kid, but at the same time again, she's coming from a place where she believes she's 100% right like you're going to do it anyway, so I'm going to help you do it since like parents who smoke weed with their kids, right? I mean, they're like listen if you're going to be out there doing it. Anyway, I'd rather you get it for me. So it's not laced. So it's not, you know tainted out there in the streets and I rather you do it at home. Now. I'm not saying that's right or wrong. I'm just saying that's how parents are and that's the perspective that she's coming from it. She said you're never going to stop pushing. Because that's who you are. Tariq's been pushing wait for like a month now or to like whatever the case so I I just didn't like how she put all I honestly think she wants to reap to continue where we're ghosts was and she's like, oh since ghosts wanted to go legit and he found his other girl. Imma keep my dream of this empire built and do it through Tariq, thank you guys for being unrealistic. Well, not you but you're not looking at it thinking that oh Tasha just wants to make money and she wants to continue the life. That's not what this is. She's exhausted everything. That wasn't Tommy don't really see Tariq for who he is. They didn't even catch on that the kind that Tariq was getting a cut of what was going on with Vincent Tasha pointed that out. She's caught him at every move. She knows where he's going. She knows where he is. She knew to find him at Tommy's house. She sees Tariq for exactly who he is and what he's doing. Put a brick on the table. He told everybody he was going to stop right but he still had that brick in his pocket and the reality is tariqa sloppy. He doesn't know the streets. I do not agree with Tasha nobody does but the point is he's betrayed the family went to Dre to get more money. That's technically an enemy. He's gone to Canaan. He doesn't use discretion. So she doesn't want to get him killed. She doesn't want to get the family killed. He's gonna do it. Anyway, she doesn't know what to do. I again. I just backing off of with Jill. I said I don't I no longer think that Tasha is thinking in the realm of like all of his Empire that we built in this life. And I don't think she's passed that she's at the point of now I got to get some money and what do I know to do? You know what I'm saying? She knows how to turn a situation and flip it into something that's going to work for her. She's also trying to look at Tariq. I think the reason she said that's who you are. It is a combination of ghosts, but it's also a combination of the two of them because Tasha was book smart and Tasha also knew the street. So that's what she's saying to wreak and and then Okay, I see where you guys are are coming from because ghost is who he is because he was educated on both sides. So if so if Tasha can continue what goes was doing and just Elevate that on the next level. Maybe that's what she's I don't I don't even think it has to do you guys keep looking at the money or elif building on what ghosts did I think that that is the Catalyst but that I think that has nothing to do with this decision. It's because Tariq was going to do it. Anyway, that kind of what point what you were saying last week when you're like, well Tasha should have ran it by ghosts. If she was going to put out drugs. That's where we are with Tariq. He's going to do it anyway, so do you have them do it with people that know how to clean the money keep you safe know when you're about to get double cross at for the sake of I totally get what you're saying, but in reality the shit's not real because again, as I said before if Raina was stripping would you say As you see who she is. Let's teach her how to really work the pole just like like give me a break. So I feel well I mean, okay. So let's just if she came from I think I think again you have to look at it from what we're saying. Yeah, he grew up in he grew up in an environment that drugs produced for him and his family right for Tarik and ghost and Raina and everybody that's what he grew up in and that mentality to do so is why she's saying that's who you are the top but see but also it's around back. Comp that comment that you made about Reina, it's completely like that that is for the birds because where did that come from? She there there's no there's no reason to say that you soon stripping stripping didn't create the Empire, but it's still it's still a very selfish move up Tasha because again, she didn't believe so this is I'm gonna say this and then I move on Tasha didn't Her husband going legit. Now. She believes her son to be a better drug dealer than order it just it I get your perspective, but he gets it it's a pop. It's a power struggle. She can control Church. She can control Tariq. No, no. No. She did you hear what she said. I thought it was another child so you don't want me to send you out and just be like, you know, what three. Um, go ahead and this is who you are going out there in the streets. And do you want to bump your head? Learn the hard way? Yeah. That if that that that's not what she's doing. She's saying because you're going to do it anyway, which we've already proven everybody in this table. We've also stated that Tariq is going to do what he does. Anyway, he's not scared. No amount of Tommy no amount of ghost is going to stop him. No matter of guns to the head. That's not going to stop him. He's gonna do what he wants to do anyway, so all Tasha is saying if that is what you're going to do. Anyway, I am going to teach you the setup. I wish somebody would say. Listen Robin. I see you going in this direction, you know. But it's also just so you don't go out there and bump your head just so you don't go out there and get killed. I'm going to show you the ropes. I'm gonna show you how to do it. It may not be right. But this is what I'm gonna try to set you up for the sake of you continuing to keep your life in this dangerous game because Tommy told Tariq and goes toe to wreak this is a big man's game. You almost got tossed off the roof you all get you got a gun put to your head and then he said, you know why Kane and killed his son. This is a real game, right this being been disloyal but the whole point is Is that anybody could get it so trick if you want to enter this game? I'm not gonna let you go out there by yourself now. I don't I'm not saying again, I'm not sick cause I don't nobody justifying. I'm not justify never doing that. I can I'm looking at what she said. I'm looking at the point. She's saying clearly that I just don't want you to die out here. So I'm a make sure that you're book smart and I'ma make sure that your street smart and know how to run this game and I'ma teach you that and that's the word so we have to move on. We think we can agree to disagree Keisha Tommy Tarik Okay, so, We've already kind of talked it we've already talked about a little bit. So so to bit Frances finds out that the box was open and that somebody broke in there Keisha accused to bid to bit grabs Keisha arm. She goes and tells Tommy Keisha then realizes that two-bit is actually telling the truth and that she knows his ghost. She knows that it's Tariq because truth knocked on the door and mention Brooklyn and so Tommy was like no it's not I'm going to get the real truth. We've already talked about. Yeah, we've already talked about Hanging them from from the rule the rule you have anything else to say before we move forward. I deserved it. He jumped. Yeah. I mean, I think we all agree that true. You know, this is the most discipline that Tariq has gotten any however, you know, so, you know weapons don't be no. He doesn't need weapons at this point. So he was definitely disciplined in a way that is probably going to teach him for for later on and shout out to Keisha for saying the one thing I agree with this episode when she told Tariq somebody should have whipped your little air Yeah, and if that wasn't what I was like, okay, see that just you know what I have to defend I have to defend please tell me why I have to go. Is because we've all had situations where either the homeboy comes in starts trying to run shit in the grand your homegirls and y'all see it and you're like this little bit. Yeah. This is the same thing. It's the same thing with got ya Keisha's not right. I'm not justifying Keisha. I'm justifying what he said. Yeah. He should've left it way to give up till for a woman she but she would just say he accused her. We agree. Yeah, I'm talking about what message the message the message right message. He said I'm gonna slap the shit out of her the message. I'm gonna say I've you look like that. A cookout it's okay. Okay, so I get what you're saying though. We let's move on but you know we agreed that he is just reduce three dudes do talk like that and then Lakeisha is wrong why I don't like that specific line or that messaging that says like I've never heard any of them. Usually, they're protecting the women usually the characters the men are protecting the women even when Tommy last week or the week before he looked at a BG and he was like, what you doing? See the old lady struggling go help her with the what bag would be honest pinky did try to check too big but, you know tube it is out of line. And yeah, he's on my neck. Yeah walking around with those watching with he gassed right now. Yeah, Tommy fires Frances and Spanky. I'ma call him I'ma call him Gramps is that they could be rehired and so He should kills whoever in the guys named Ozzie. Mozzie. Thanking. Yeah to bit and Spanky. You're always coming up with these half-cock plans. Are we going to do something to make ourselves look good for the boss and it ends up messing everything up that happened with that with the dude that they shot on the street corner last season, you know, they just jump the gun trying to do too many things but it it it speaks to it speaks to Tommy's organization slash David. He's sloppy. He's not a boss ghost has always been the boss of ghosts. Uh, Tommy and Tasha that just the way that it was he was always in charge. Tommy is just not a boss moving forward. So we see the potential spin off because now Tommy meets with Rudolfo from from Jason Mystic and says that he's thinking about wanted him to go to La and the two of them both work solo. So yeah possibly bipolar like last week. You don't like Tommy this week. You don't like goes, but you're giving goes to Green Light to kill Tommy if Dre works out. Did he forget he met Dre? Like I can't get a Vibe on what Jason's doing, right but I don't get a Vibe on him. But I think that he's he's this is a game to him just like this is a just like this killing game between ghost and Tommy it's a game when he walked into the when you walked into his house from when Keisha or what what's the weather was somebody say, I'm not gonna repeat it. Okay. Okay, so y'all it wait keep talking. So ghost is like, oh you know ghost is a tummy goes ghost is a he shame on you guys. He's awake. He's away right now. And you know, I guess he's too busy trying to you know, trunk not trying to kill me. So it's like this is all a game to them for me Power Man and I feel like now that now that Jason has has am a ghost and Tommy now work back together now, he's dividing Keisha and Tommy. I mean, I'm gonna be honest with you. I feel like Tommy is with Lakeisha because it's a need and not a want. I feel like he's doing all these things but It's just to keep her in the fold and because he's feeling a little down on himself. I don't see the connection between the two of them. I mean no wait that actually because Tommy's always been someone ride solo dolo, you know, so now what do you think about what do you think about ghosts giving Keisha money to go away like you did Holly she did it is how many times do we go see ghosts in the garage coming out of the Shadow into water. They always set it up as if he's about to murder somebody and it's because he's a menace so they're here. Yes, so now so now it's more for what's your thoughts on the Scandal? So so Derek sees his run goes into the room and he sees that Cassandra and tater having sex. The only thing they have to say about this is watching Tate and Cassandra their sex scenes is like watching a bad porno and it represent State and a way that he's just not He's corny. He he can't he's saying like everything characters expect has definitely drop ya like Doc, you know like the way that he has sex represents. What a week. Do you know I'm saying? Well, I'm not talking about Dragon magic. I just know what he told Ramona, you know, the jury's still out on my magic stick. Please I was like shout out to Ramona. I feel you and see Ramona and take do not have a past history. Yeah known that that was a question that I can't bring it up. See yea that's what I did want to say Cassandra is playing the game and she's the chair of the Long Haul, you know, and she wants that Congressional deleting. Do we care enough about Cassandra Derek? Do you like do we care enough to where we're going to see this in the spin-off or later down the season do we care enough about this? Align options. I feel like we're just seeing some options of some spin-offs. We have the political aspect. We have to wreak and his upcoming drug game, you know, maybe him and Ray link up if Dre makes it through, you know, and they run their little distro plan. We also have the potential of Tommy in Los Angeles. So I feel like they're setting us up. Like there's three potential spin-offs you could happen here. If not more. We'll see which one happens just to kind of throw us off and play with us. They're still staying funny. Yeah are hilarious. We also we also discussed briefly. So Tate wanted goes to kill Derek and then ghost decides not to do that. But then Derek decides to make a move. I think Derek is some point is gonna blow the whistle because he don't give a he don't care. I mean, but the thing is again power, you know, there's some type of prestige and Power in that Queen City project heading that up more so than he would get with going to the opposition. So he's gonna sit for a moment because you may have lost your girl, but you want yeah. I do like the fact that they did not Not kill Derek that goes didn't kill him because then at that point it would it would just be okay another episode Another killing, you know, just kind of predictable and it did show ghost in the way that we usually are we're used to seeing him in power position and manipulating situations for you know, the greater good so we think did you guys know there's an AfterBuzz curse. Do you know that after people come on here then? It's about body and the bad occurs over here. That's crazy. Somebody in the chat room said bye-bye. BG. Yeah, they were like by and they were like why you say by they're like cuz everybody who goes on this show block is Mexico Jason's in the crossfire for next week. We know Tommy and ghoster teaming up to potentially take him out. Yeah that could happen. But that's funny. So speaking trick. Yeah BG so he's gone Drake Hilton, but he deserved to die because I was soft that's why he died, but he was such a good dude. Like I mean, it's like day not the not the one I like so although France is in and Spanky's at first. I got nervous because when I saw that when I saw that Spanky got fired they're real. They're real actor Omar struggles was supposed to be on here, but we have to reschedule. So when I saw that he got fired I was like, oh shit like, you know, like I was worried that he was gonna die. Before you can come on the after-show. So I was I was a little worried about that, but I'm with the priorities here. Well, you know, just so um So he's gone. Is in I was just going to say social media was having a fun time with a Bee Gees death actually. So yeah, so Dre is a fish. So, okay. So what's your what's your take on Dre? So Dre miss the meeting for for Jason so he won't get the distro job, but he still has drugs that he's selling to Tarik. What's your take on that before? We do predictions? Well clearly Jason set the two of them up. Tommy goes to work together again. And so that kind of like pushes Dre out of the way, but maybe he's going to kind of come into their organization and they set that up. I don't know. I don't know. I really got much to say on it. Okay. Did I think we covered everything. I just I did want to touch on Lakeisha and Tommy at the top of the episode. They say we don't have no money. We don't have no product. We don't have nothing at the end of the episode. They got a brand new crib in the goddamn suburbs. They hit the lottery. Well, yeah, she did say how did you pull that off? You know, so, you know, maybe who knows what Tommy did maybe we'll find out I do have to I mean, I know we gotta go did you are why are you doing that? I wondered when he brought her to the house. I thought it was cool. It was so it was so far away. I was wondering was it was he going to leave her in the house or was not never thought that Robbie to you says bam is funny but a hater. I don't know what that means. But problem use a hater. I say all type of things that people don't like so yeah, but you know what you guys All right, Queen fisa deal of Miss. Lili is in here. Marcozzi. We see you guys. Yes, somebody was right. They said they're laughing at us in the chat room at their comments. We are definitely laughing. I see all of you guys and out to the chat room. Shout out to all of you guys. It's 200 at currently the 255 people in this chat room. We always say thanks and then thank you for moving those comments over to in likes make sure that you're liking our videos and going over and put in your Comments, we always write back. I know Jill and I wear usually up in there. Yeah, so shout out to y'all just and faithful y'all loyal not like to reap the Canaanite predictions your AfterBuzz TV predictions. Oh another spin-off idea go Tasha and Tariq on his journey. I think that we're going to see Fe again in the next couple of episodes. Yeah. I got a really quick. Yeah, I'm gonna pass for the majority of it, but I do believe that Blanca is in the line of fire nothing special, but I just like how the episodes are getting better and better as the season goes on. Um, I think that there's kind of a pattern. So if you That every ever so it's like a minor character killed major minor major month. So so it started with Lindsay. So it was Lindsay Proctor and then Alphonse Alphonse and now BG although Bee Gees not a huge character be he was around long enough. So I feel like next week there has to be a major major a major killing and I don't think it's Jason just yet because I just gonna be sex. I feel like Like this isn't a comedy sacks. Yeah. Yeah. I mean we can kind of go all day on that. But you know, the thing is it's like where would that leave Blanca in Warner? What would we do with them now? If Zacks isn't there they don't need sex because she said a relationship is coming. Our relationship is coming. Our relationship is coming. They don't see it may be and you can't and you and although although all of them are series regulars. It doesn't matter that they get killed off in episode 4 that doesn't matter because Fast finals It's the final season. So Cooper actually can go. Yeah go and block the early if you can't to I'm just saying what would that do writing-wise storyline? What would that do for I mean, I don't know. I am a writer. I'm not together but next week we have something special for you guys. We won't tell you exactly what it is, but we have something special for you guys. And then the following weeks. Like I said on the 21st, we have Tyrone Marshall Brown who plays cue Josh's boyfriend curious. Why? You keep calling her and her boyfriend. Oh, I'm sorry friend. Yeah, did you know that new that came up in there? He'll be back. I mean all the fans who are showing love to the power after plug Channel. Y'all are real continue the conversation over at yeah that way and you can find me at the gym. You could always find me your girl Robin are The energy right that energy. Yeah. Hit me up Jill Munroe at stiletto Jill, you know commentary I participate you can find me on all social media at Bear American. Thank you guys for tuning in. Thank you to our special guest Monique. Yes, Gabrielle a curtain. What's the for chatting with us? Thank you to all the people in the chat room, and we will see you guys next week our founder Keven undergaro and me Maria Menounos would like to thank you for tuning in to AfterBuzz. TV remember, we're not just the first were the biggest in the world and will be the only destination for all your favorite TV shows whatever your grave we've got it. So go to Apple has tv.com Express your inner. Those are the hosts only do not necessarily reflect. The views of AfterBuzz TV worth owners are principle. Before we continue one of the ways we keep all these shows for you free is by our amazing sponsors. And today Spotify is one of our sponsors on Spotify. You can listen to all of your favorite artists and podcasts in one place for free. You don't even need a premium account Spotify as a huge catalogue of podcasts on every topic including the one you're listening to right now on Spotify. You can follow your favorite podcast. So you don't miss an episode premium users can even download episodes to listen to offline wherever they are and you can easily share what you're listening to with all your friends and following on Instagram. You haven't done Already be sure to download the Spotify app and search for AfterBuzz TV on Spotify or browse podcasts in the your library tab. Also, make sure you follow us. You never miss an episode of AfterBuzz TV. What's up everybody? This is Bam Erickson here with AfterBuzz TV for power season 6 episode 7 titled like father like son. We are so excited. We have this guests that we have been waiting to talk to let's go. I'm Maria Menounos and you're tuned in to AfterBuzz TV the ESPN of TV talk now. Jimmy V and joining us from New York via Skype. She plays the one and only Blanca Rodriguez, please welcome Monique Gabriela Kernan. Thanks for joining us. We're so excited to we're so excited to chat with you because your character I have to admit last year. I didn't like the character this season. Yeah, I love her because she's honest. She only wants to know the facts. She don't care about anything else and your body language your not your your non-speaking or body language verbals those nonverbal cues Stellar the way that You give that side I kind of that side. I yeah and how you look up and down when you know, somebody's lying like oh, I like this. I like her. Yeah, so, okay. So last night Jacob Warner comes to you and says you should take out Cooper sex what you think would leave. One dirty move after another right? And yes is not out Blancas used to operating right? She's got a very clear black and white sort of philosophy and here comes Warner saying you don't have to throw that out. Yeah when your investigation so, you know, I thought it was about time because like I said in previous episodes Sachs was doing a whole lot of stuff that he should have been, you know caught up for and I'm just glad they finally have somebody else on the job now to catch him out for all that he's done. So well, yes similarly to what bam said. I have to admit Monique. I didn't like the character Blanca initially and that's because I think because I was thinking about that I was like, why don't I why didn't I like her initially and she was coming after Angela and I think we all had ties to Angela since the very beginning right or wrong. We had an emotional ties to Angela and she was blocker was very much about her business. I thought she was nosy. I thought she was just overbearing but now now like bam I actually agree. I'm I like her character a lot more and I like the fact that she's never veered from her Mission. She's always been about business. She let that be known to Warner and now it's like she's trying to get sex. You know what I mean? And so I like that because sax is doing too much but I feel like yeah Warners sicced Blanca on snacks, but at the same Time she picked up on some Clues. She heard the conversation where she wasn't trusting with Tariq. She listened to what at Lisa Marie had to say about what happened when the information that Lindsay gave her about the Unicorn. So I felt like she was just doing her job even though she was kind of guided in a direction. She looked at what was there and was like, okay. I'm going to take this a step further because I felt like something was wrong. The clues are saying something's wrong. So I respect that and once again, she's only one Not caught up in the sauce. Yeah sure. She's not connected. But I do wonder you know, there's something about this about this. Jacob who there's something about him. That's not quite trusting. I'm not sure if it's the ball head or I don't know what there's something that's not trusting about him and the fact that he kind of played it off when Blanca basically said. No, I am not here for the for the corruption of the eastern district. I'm here for this and so he kind of he just kind of backed off like oh, yeah, but I Now does he really have a problem with block? Okay, so I have this I have this thing. I love to kill characters off. Right so I do have to wonder now if your boss your characters boss. Has it out for her being that he she didn't do what he wanted her to do. Yes, she did but it but let's hear from you unicorn the Unicorn. Yeah, so give us give us a I mean because this is our opinion right our opinions on on your character give us a little bit of background as to what you believe about your character in the direction of her and then how you how you even for me because you seem so different. You seem so you're smiling this whole becomes stop smiling. Yeah, it's a beautiful thing. But you play the character of blanca so differently, so to let us know a little bit about your character. Sure. Well first I have to say that you guys are not alone in disliking Blanca stopped many a time in the side. I myself Mama Subway or at the Trader Joe's wow. Um, so yeah, I think people were pretty upset that I was going after Angela. However, you know kudos to the writers for and Kourtney Kim, but I give her so my deepest thanks because they On opportunity to develop this character and also an opportunity to take someone who clearly has a very sort of strong sense of morality and strong sense of justice and is very principled and has tended to see things in black and white and Courtney will tell you herself. It's no accident that my name is Blanca, you know, like, you know white hat like always trying to do things on the straight and narrow so to speak. Eek, but the beauty of power is that I don't think anyone gets out of that situation clean. Right? And so Blanca is and and also just look at the body count just the sheer body count like Blanc has been working Internal Affairs then you know Angela's killed and then you know, all these things are happening, you know, so she's on this very Justin journey of being pulled deeper and deeper into the world of power into the world of the eastern district in to Sax's way of seeing things and unfortunately to get to her desired and she has to play ball with Warner so she's caught between these two guys who you know aren't so straight and narrow like she is does this block? I have a man bam As you know Cooper was trying to hit on was trying to hit on us definitely was I can't really answer that question because there might be something coming up in future. Did you know that you your character would be an extended throughout season 5 and season 6 or did you just think that it was only for a couple of episodes I have No, I yeah initially I had been told five episodes. I knew the show. I knew people got killed with the frequency of five episodes. I'll die of a righteous depth and you know the next thing but lo and behold thank you Courtney and stars. They had other plans. Did you only audition for the Blanca or did you audition for something else? Say that again. So was it was the was Blanca was that the first character or was that the first two only character that you audition for did you audition in Prior seasons? That was the first character that I had auditioned for since the show. Yeah, hit the air. Yeah. Another question. I noticed that your speaking voice is deterring my question babe. So your speaking voice is different and I think that's probably another reason why people may be disliked the character, but I love the fact that you play this character. So well that you have give you that you've given her that that voice. Yes, that's a piggyback off of that. Did you work with the a dialect coach like Joseph? I know he worked. I mean probably several of the characters had to work with someone to develop that is that what you did to develop your characters voice. I actually we have a phenomenal dialect coach as part of the show candido tirado. I actually did not work with him. I based this character on Family. My mom is after Puerto Rican came to New York and she's about Seen my dad's an Irish German boy from Yonkers. I have a whole host of cousins and family and friends who are New Yorkers. And so I listened to them a lot obviously spend a lot of time with them and Blancas accent comes from that experience. Now does your cousin or your family member happened to be Rosie Perez? Because you know, I have to hear you guys sound so stupid. As well obviously. Yeah. Yeah. Well great job with just even in developing that that sound that that voice, you know, cuz I was taking a well I actually watched an interview of you up and I was like, whoa, I didn't know what to expect of your sound but I was Just you know definitely shocked at the difference in the boys. So yeah, yeah, it's awesome. So we noticed that you're from Boston Jim. He's from Boston Massachusetts will serve the building. I can't yeah. I saw I just want to shout that out because you know, Jimmy reps his reps is his town very well big time. Yeah. I wanted to talk to you about a couple other things. So you have something that's coming out on Netflix with Hilary Swank called away. I just want to mention that I know you can't talk too much about it. But do you know when it's do, you know when it's expected to release will finish shooting in the sort of early spring I want to say so I think it'll probably be released next summer. It'll be summer or early fall of 2020 so vastly different world. Okay, and then you also have something that's coming out on Hamilton on Amazon and iTunes tomorrow called anyone. Home. Can you just tell them a little bit about that? Yeah, I will tell you this was a script that leapt off the page to me. The director is a guy named Patrick Cunningham. He co-wrote the script with a very talented writer named will Frank and I got wonderful creative opportunity to collaborate with them and explore, you know the world of bipolar disorder. And I play a single mom who is dealing with that and trying to support my young son. And it was a really wonderful experience for me. It was it was one of it was like the ultra-low budget Little Indie that could so we're thrilled to see it finally getting released after you know a couple of years of post and you know, all the stuff that happens in between shooting and releasing and that's exciting. I have two questions from fans one fan wants to know if Blanca purposely got sex fired because she felt bad about what happened to Angela. What I'm just hit no I'm not asking. It's a good question. I'm gonna say no I'm gonna say I thought sax was one kind of way and I thought he could be a good Ally and then I find out he's doing some dirty stuff. So it has more to do with Blancas moral fiber and what her goals are and you Then she asked to start thinking well, if he was this way with these Witnesses playing around with this what else did he do that could have endangered Angela. I mean you kind of have to ask that question, right? Yeah. Well, we see more of Blanco Rodriguez with Detective McCall because I feel like they wouldn't just bring around for that one up that one episode. Yeah, you know what? I was hoping to see more of detective McCall. Danielle Davenport plays Detective of call and she was wonderful wonderful person wonderful to work with I don't think you're going to see a lot more of that. I think you're going to see the mother sort of Partnerships. Take shape Come Together Fall Apart, maybe who some kind of stirring very good. We're gonna friend. Yeah. We usually toward the latter part of our show. We have a prediction segment, and I know you won't Here for our predictions, but I have to say this that the now we're pretty much just looking at Blanca and Warner right end. And in that that pretty much that whole organization that's all who we really see. I feel like the stakes have got to be taken up for Blanca somehow. You can't just be you know, trying to find you know, just kind of maintaining her job. I think that will for the sake of the show because it is power and for the sake of like the writers. Hers and and the fact that it's season 6 and we have to start, you know, raising the stakes a little bit. I feel like something has got to go down with Blanca. So I am going to put pull a bam and I'm going to say that Blancas probably gonna she's in the line of fire. I don't know how when what I hope you make it out because I like you Monique, but that's just my prediction. I know you won't be around for that. I have to say there's a couple people on Twitter. We got some bets going Schools open going to survive like right, you know, yeah, we don't know and speaking of Twitter argue very active with with everyone who's tweeting you and saying things about power. I'm like medium active. Okay, I try to keep up in between my other work and everything else but and and I have to say man. I have to give it to this fan base because I've never encountered such passionate fans such invested fans and their observations are so on point and also hilarious. I mean if you want if you get on that Twitter feed Sunday. I mean you're guaranteed both insights and things you never would have thought about this all together and a good laugh. Yeah. Well, I've also I think that pretty much anyone we've had on the show or anyone just who's been a part of power period whether they just left the show or got killed off as characters. Everyone has gone on to have amazing careers, and I know you've already done so much, but I believe that it's going to it's going to go so much higher for You thank you so much. I appreciate that. Yes from your mouth to God's ears. I'm ready. There you go. I actually want to piggyback off that because I was just looking over your credits here. So the fans actually know you were also a detective in the dark night. So did you always see yourself as these law enforcement the types? You know, I it cracks my dad up to no end. I was raised by two Public School teachers. So pretty pretty far from the realm of law enforcement as you can imagine, but I guess I don't I think there's something to the fact that I was raised with three brothers and it was a very equal opportunity household and I think maybe there's some toughness that you know from from coming up with with the boys that kind of a chance. Little in these in these law enforcement characters. Also, you know, a lot of times the you know, the cops are really their analytical their thinking so I like playing strong intelligent women and it just so happens that a few of them have been cops. Okay. All right. I did have one question. I'm cut I have to go back to the accent really fast. Did you when you audition do you did you use that accent? Or is that developed after you you've got the role that was that happened as I would just as I was discussing the role with Courtney and we were talking backstory and we were talking also about the fact that she was, you know distinct we the beautiful thing about power is that you get to see black and brown people in every Walk of Life, right and which to me was one of the gifts of the show, too. I've and be a part of this universe that reflects much more of my life and you know all the people in my life. And so we did have a discussion about making her different from Angela and making it clear that she had walked a different path to get to where she was here and there were meeting in the same circumstances, but we're two very different people cut from rent cloth, you know different walks of life. There you go. Okay, thank you for that that explanation. I was just so curious. So before we let you go. Can you let everyone know where you could be found on social media? Yeah, you can find me on Instagram at Monique Kernan and same for Twitter at Monique earn and I had to drop the Gowdy I love because it was so long. That's kind of hard to punch in when you're in Instagram doing a search. But yeah, feel free to find me there and ask questions comment on the show and I will do my best to respond as I can. Thank you so much. It was such a pleasure talking. I normally try to like try and pull stuff out but I feel like we got some good stuff. We did we oh my God, so we're really excited. We don't thank you so much for for chatting with us. Yeah, and in the chat room in the live chat room, you have a lot of people saying how they felt similar that Blanca is growing on them. So you're doing a great job, but you know that yeah, I was okay with being hated because I felt like that meant I was doing my job and yeah. Portent for a show as we know. Yeah sure. It's nice of people walk a little love as well. I'll take it. Yeah, that's range. All right, great. There you go. Okay, so we have to let you go. I know your New York. So thank you so much for chatting with us. And just thank you so much. We appreciate your Monique. Thank you for your time. Thank you so much. It's an honor to be part of the conversation and thank you for all for supporting the show the way you have really appreciate you guys. Oh, she's so lovely make me thank you Monique. Thank you. We'll talk to you soon. Thank you Meg. She's such a sweet detective Blanca included. I was you guys that way initially we're sending some hearts and flowers to her. Okay, so now but we got we got to move on. So yeah me so opening seem so ghost pose and going on to read while he's sleeping in bed. So it was one of my favorite scene. All right, so he didn't he did not go too far. I'm already a lot of people were asking that so did you go to the assembly because it was it was America's version of the butt whooping. I mean, we're past that now right with somebody who's not really even a kid anymore and doing kid like things and just cursing in front of his parents. Yeah. He's just being just very very just completely disrespectful but this is definitely the sign that that goes no longer he's Like all bets are off. I know you're my finally woken up and finally done and I liked that ghost pool that like gangster out and got it to reek like that. He needed that. Yeah, Tariq desert everything that came to him this episode. Be sure because he's playing a man's game.

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It's not about to promote women on potential women need to take a page from them and earn their own success. Mr. Enabled the others very powerful. Hello, you're listening to the first podcast to go for women and take in all those who want to build a smart gender equity for take 10 minutes. It's really actionable advice at 50 in Tech. We give you the keys to unlock the tech industry and move it for real on the occasion of the women's Forum. We are very happy to record a special episode in partnership with AXA. One of our first supporters. You are a firm Tech entrepreneur probably among the 10 next rising stars in Europe and want to accelerate your network and business the 2020 accelerator program designed by AXA and 15 tag is made for you and Willie. Ask you in an incredible learning experience in in Tel Aviv in April take two minutes and apply on 15 tech.com. Let's welcome re allowed Rivers partner advantage of relent in Co Tel Aviv for the special 15 Tech podcast to go. Hello 15 Tech Community. My name is Ariella Dreyfuss, and I'm originally from England. I moved to Israel around 14 years ago, and I'm a partner in the m&a department of barn are Jeff and land a law firm. I've Been working as a lawyer in the high-tech space for over 10 years during which time I've represented startups mature tech companies VC funds corporate Ventures and private Equity Funds. One of my soft spots has always been Medtech and I'm delighted by the recent traction and attention that fem Tech is receiving. So today I'm going to speak briefly about Femme Tech what it is why I think it's important. What are some of the early challenges and offer you some tips? So what is them Tech? Let me start by saying what it isn't we're not talking about male or unisex products that have been shrunk in size painted pink and remarketed for women. Femme tag is essentially a pallet bottle term for VC men to describe Tech products and services in the space of female Health including periods menopause fertility breastfeeding incontinence contraception. It includes digital Health apps and Medical devices though. I mentioned the vertical of fertility cautiously as this is obviously not solely a woman's issue. Why is it important that Medtech receives attention because we live in a world where there's one size and it doesn't fit all if it's men. I believe that the statistics are that on average smartphone to five and a half inches too big for women's hands cars are designed around the body of a reference man. Meaning that women are nearly 50 percent more likely to be Be hurt in an accident women are also hugely underrepresented in clinical trials. So drugs are designed for men take Ambien the sleeping drug, for example after being on the market for two years in January 2013, the FDA announced that women should be taking half of the then recommended dose as women take longer to metabolize the drug than men. In fact, I understand that most drugs withdrawn in recent years had greater health risks for women. One of the reasons for women being underrepresented in clinical trials is they're unstable hormonal Cycles. All which affects the results of the tests, but on the other hand women need to take these drugs throughout their hormonal Cycles. So it doesn't really make sense right now only 4% of tech investment in life sciences are aimed at Women's Health Tech Solutions. So I think it's glaringly obvious that this balance needs to be readdressed. What are the early challenges for male and female Founders in this space? Well, one of the main challenges is funding and one aspect here is gender gender of the founders and gender of the investors with respect to the founders fam Tech has predominantly female Founders. This is largely due to personal experience take for example, Tanya Ebola the CEO of LV. She developed an app connected Kegel tracker to help women strength. In their pelvic floor muscles with real-time biofeedback. She explained that despite working in women's health for over 15 years. It was only once she became pregnant that she realized that many women's health issues were not spoken about in other words women identify the pain in fem Tech the problem that needs to be solved but female Founders are underfunded compared to male Founders, for example in 2018 female-led startups in the u.s. Received just 2.2 percent of the hundred and thirty billion. As in VC funding that was available now with respect to the money man, a colossal 94% of decision-makers in u.s. Venture Capital firms and men and it's difficult to raise financing from someone who doesn't understand the problem and is uncomfortable by the still somewhat taboo subject matter writers write what they know entrepreneurs innovate what they know and Venture capitalists fund what they know. Another challenge is the legal landscape health care which includes both digital Health Products and medical devices is highly regulated entrepreneurs in the space may need to secure FDA or Cee approvals comply with HIPAA and other privacy and data protection regulations as well as statutory limitations on the corporate practice of medicine geographical medical license issues and referral restrictions just as examples. So the business model and the product needs to take all these into account from day one to ensure that the entrepreneurs not shot themselves in the foot before they've even started. Ted so what am I tips firstly do your homework approach the right investors corporate Ventures where there may be Synergy with your products impact investors Health Focus Ventures or direct to Consumer Focus Ventures the appropriate fit. There are a wealth of accelerators incubators and mentoring programs out there seeking to address the problem of female under-representation in Tech in general use them use their Network. Acts as with most things in life. It is more often who you know rather than what you know, that is the game changer. If you're pitching to a woman first tell a story and wait for the node the node that she understands the pain the need the problem you're seeking to solve if you're pitching to a male venture capitalist. It may be smart to put slightly more emphasis on the market and less on the product. This is true for all verticals. By the way. The investors may like the product but they're going to be more excited by the size of the Pocket and attractive Roi and a potential exit focus on the money leverage. The fact that fem Tech itself is getting traction at the moment emphasize the power of the female driven economy. Use these Buzz words. If you are developing a digital app, you can Leverage The General Trend towards digital health and personalized and preventative medicine and General Wellness. If you receive a snarky comment about being a woman answer back with the research that startups with female leadership. Tend to be more profitable than male only founding teams and my final tip. Don't forget the ask Founders often forget the ask in the pitch and women tend to be even more shy or reticent to voice their need for money. If you don't ask you probably won't get I'm very happy to be part of the 15 Tech Community and to help Empower and support women in Tech. 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We recorded this special femtech episode in partnership with our pioneer partner, Axa. Hello, my name is Ariella Dreyfuss, I am originally from England. I moved to Israel around 14 years ago and I am a partner in the M&A department of Barnea Jaffa Lande & Co. law firm. I’ve been working as a lawyer in the high-tech space for over 10 years, during which time I have represented startups, mature tech companies, VC funds, corporate ventures and private equity funds. One of my soft spots has always been MedTech and I am delighted by the recent traction and attention that FemTech is receiving. So today I am going to speak briefly about FemTech: what it is, why I think it’s important, what are some of the early challenges, and offer you some tips. So what is FemTech? Let me start by saying what it isn’t: we are not talking about male or unisex products that have been shrunk in size, painted pink and remarketed for women. FemTech is essentially a palatable term for VC men to describe tech products and services in the space of female health, including periods, menopause, fertility, breastfeeding, incontinence, contraception (...). Why is iT important that FemTech receives attention? Because we live in a world where there is one size, and it doesn’t fit all, it fits men. I believe that the statistics are that on average, smartphones are 5.5 inches too big for women’s hands (...). Women are also hugely underrepresented in clinical trials, so drugs are designed for men (...). Right now only 4% of tech investment in life sciences are aimed for women’s health tech solutions, so I think it is obvious that this imbalance needs to be readdressed. What are the early challenges for male and female founders in the space? Well, one of the main challenges is funding, and one aspect here is gender: gender of the founders, and gender of the investors. With respect to the founders,  FemTech has predominantly female founders. This is largely due to personal experience (...). In other words, women identify the pain in FemTech, the problem that needs to be solved, but female founders are underfunded compared to male founders. For example, in 2018, female led startups in the US received just 2.2% of the $130 billion in VC funding that was available. Now, with respect to the money man, a colossal 94% of decision-makers in US venture capital firms are men, and it’s difficult to raise financing from someone who does not understand the problem and is uncomfortable by the still somewhat taboo subject matter. Writers write what they know, entrepreneurs innovate what they know, and venture capitalists fund what they know. Another challenge is the legal landscape: healthcare, which includes both digital products and medical devices is highly regulated (...). So what are my tips? 1/ Do your homework 2/ Find the appropriate fit 3/ If you are pitching to a woman, first tell a story and wait for the nod 4/  If you are pitching to a male venture capitalist, focus on the money 5/  Emphasize the power of the female driven economy 6/ If you are developing a digital app, leverage the general trend towards digital health 7/ If you receive a snarky comment about being a women, emphasize the profitability of female leadership 8/ Don’t forget the ask I am very happy to be part of the 50inTech community and to help empower and support women in tech. Please feel free to reach out and speak to me by the platform.

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This is a community that celebrates the beauty inherent in all shapes and sizes of bodies and is open to anyone who identifies as a woman from non-binary transgender queer gender fluid and gender non-conforming person who wants to learn more about their womb and pelvic intelligence and exciting news for you embodied astrology. Listeners receive a 25% off discount on their membership with the special code Astro babes. That's all caps astr Oba Bes. This discounted rate is on offer from now until September 1st, and you can find the sign up link in my show notes or from jeevan's website. Jeevan, thank you so much for coming over today. Thank you very much excited to be here. Yeah, I'm really excited about it, too. I feel like we've been talking about having this conversation for at least eight months or something. Yeah, I'd say so yeah, you were just mentioning. We're coming up on our 10-year anniversary of knowing each other and another time that I interviewed you. Yeah, it was actually a really formative time in my life. I was actually just Stu writing about this for a little written interview that I was doing that is it okay if I share a little bit of a story around it? Okay, the question in the interview was around like yeah what my own self-care rituals have been and how I started doing self-care and and I was thinking back and I'm like, you know, honestly I didn't have enough self value or self. Forth until I started doing yoga and my late 20s to really like care for tend to my body and as a mixed race South Asian person had kind of written off yoga for many years until an Indian Uncle told me that I should do yoga and chant om every day and I was like, okay, I'm gonna try this and so I found people's yoga. And you were one of my first two yoga instructors as I like learned for the first time being with my body in that way and through that process. I became like both more in my body and also just felt really strong. And so I remember you interviewing me and it being just yeah yoga being this kind of Gateway for me into this world of healing and of taking care of my body. Yeah. Yeah that was during the time. I was doing some community outreach for our studio and we had that project like the people of people's yoga and I think you were one of the first people that I interviewed and you're definitely one of my favorite students. I remember that I would always just you come into class and have this big smile on your face. You almost have sweet and really engaged and so present. Thank you. I love Going to your classes. They kicked my butt and and also like gave me so much gave me language around my body that I've never had before and I also just really appreciated your sensitivity and a time in Portland when there weren't a lot of yoga instructors aware of like race in their room and where people might be coming from I always like really felt to your awareness and presents and so I appreciate that. Thank you. You hear ya. So what have you been doing for the last 10 years? So yeah, I would say that time of my life almost a decade ago was really this opening and actually we didn't look at this part of my chart but my Saturn return was starting a little bit early, I guess at that time and it really was a time of stepping into myself as a Healer. As somebody who wants to facilitate healing for people and so during that time I had been had been booked bookmarked by getting held up at gunpoint two times and then also being in a rollover accident that really, you know, I consider that accident and that whole period in my life as the universe like picking me up off the tracks that I was on and then placing me on the track. Ex that I am not on now. Yeah, and that wherever I was going it wasn't that I was going like the wrong way or doing the wrong thing, but it was I wasn't really in alignment with my life's purpose and through the series of traumatic events. It was like allowed me to really come into myself in a whole new way and really question like what am I here to do in this lifetime and so one? And I'd always said was that I wanted to be a natural medicine doctor. My next lifetime for that. I wasn't like smart enough this lifetime again kind of some of the like low self-esteem pieces coming up. And so after those accidents I was like there is no other lifetime in this body. This is my life. And so I feel like I started a second Lifetime well and applied. Two Chinese medicine school and got into their doctoral program and did six years of a doctored and East Asian medicine and then a master's and integrative mental health, which has a strong like trauma-informed piece is really founded on any modality called hakone which is a mindfulness-based psychotherapeutic modality. And so I bring both have We into the work that I do those traditional medicine piece. And then also this piece of embodiment and a looking at the map of the body and how we can heal through the body. Wow. Okay. I just want to pause for a second because I'm remembering that time about I guess it was a little after we'd met and you were a musician still are an artist and I hadn't seen you for a couple of years I think and then I remember running into again and really feeling that there had been a very big transition. So I wanted to recall that and honor the Turning Point around your Saturn return and I'm looking at your chart right now and seeing that you have Saturn in the early degrees of Scorpio and we had been talking a couple minutes ago about your chart and I had said that Saturn is an alchemist. That it's kind of lard of or goddess of old medicine and you're born in 1983. And that was the year that Saturn and Pluto were conjunct and they're coming back into a conjunction again next year and it feels like such an important Turning Point as you began at Saturn return that you really pivoted to go on this path and so much about transformation and healing which is the essence of Scorpio. So and then so we've been doing this study in East Asian medicine and integrative mental health, but your work is so largely focused on womb healing. Is that correct? Yes it out. Right? Yeah. Can you talk a little bit about what like how how your work is coming about what it is and how these two elements of East Asian medicine and integrated mental health come in. Yeah, absolutely and And you know when I think back I and when people ask me this question, I can't really think of like a single point of like aha that I'm going to be a somatic womb and pelvic healer, but I look at the scope of my life and I always you know whenever I'm sharing about my work or myself. I like to share where I come from to give a little bit of context so Dad was an undocumented immigrant from India and then my mom grew up in the projects as a light-skinned Ecuadorian and Puerto Rican woman and they met in New York City in the early 80s and then had me and so you can imagine that like somebody coming from Southeast Asia who like in my experience India. I've experienced a lot of sexual repression and oppression of women. And people who are not like a cisgendered male and so and then my mom growing up Catholic and going to Catholic School her whole life. And so I was born into a household that there's a lot of Shame around our sexuality a lot of Shame around our bodies. I remember being one of the first kids in my class to get their periods and seeing my breasts start to develop and You're really ashamed and my dad even taking me clothes shopping and buying like extra large clothes for me. And so just to like hide my body that was starting to develop and so when I look at where I come from and both the explicit and implicit messages around being in my body and being a woman and being somebody with a vagina. That I just think there's always been this piece in me that wants to like not live that way. Yeah doesn't believe in that story. Yeah. How does that relate with what you were talking about before in your twenties of having low self-esteem and low self worth? Oh my God, that's getting question. Good question. My name is a really really good question. Yeah, it looked a lot like during that time kind of treating my body as a sort of receptacle for both enter my own energy and other people's energies that didn't belong there and I think that's so common for people who were many of us who that our bodies weren't valued either by Society or our families or we experienced any sort of abuse that there is this kind of internal like loathing system that was happening. And and yeah that looked like just a lot of a lot of ways that I didn't tend to my body or that I even harmed my body. And so when I talk about self-care and tending to ourselves and like doing healing as that our own healing as healing the collective, I really really like for me it really is radical work. Because yeah, it's so easy for me. I have like completely disregarded my body in the past. And so it's been a process of reclaiming. Yeah, and then helping other people do that. Yeah. So you mentioned that these turning points are on experiencing some pretty significant trauma. We're a big pivot point for you. What did that look like in the context of Of like your self-healing and your your self-worth how did that start to happen or do you remember like first thoughts or perceptions? And totally you know what? I actually I do remember so I was living in Spain for a couple of years before I came back to Portland and teaching English and I was at my lowest low and I just remember like going out with friends and like drinking and then like crying in the streets walking home. At Sunrise and so that's a little like before picture and then coming back to Portland and having the first gunpoint incident happen and having this like I need something needs to shift. Like this does not feel good to like be in my life in this way that feels checked out that feels like purposeless, but just like doesn't feel good anymore. And so I found I was looking for a counselor and I was bent on Having a woman of color and that it had to be a woman and I ended up finding somebody who has a white man, who is amazing and he did it was my first time ever doing somatic therapy ever. Like I had been to a different therapist. I had never gotten that much out of talk therapy. It just felt like repeat repeating my story over and over. Again, and he was the first one for the first few months. I feel like our sessions would just be me going in crying and him swaddling me and blankets and like rocking me like a baby. Wow. Yeah. Wow. Yeah, that's so beautiful that such strong feminine energy comes through him and hold you there. Yeah. He really is embodies both really beautifully. And yeah, so I would say that was part of that transition time of coming into my own like salt forth and my own body and also starting to get curious about healing. Yeah. They're my own healing. Yeah. Yeah. And so now you have this really Exquisite body of work that you offer. Can you talk a little bit about it? What it is that you do? Yes, so I've been doing homework for the last four years, but Really the last year and a half that I've had language and the term around what I do, so I call the work somatic womb and pelvic healing because it's really about coming back into our bodies as being sanctuaries and that we primarily do that through the pelvic Bowl the reason for me and why I sent her my work around the pelvic bowl is because it's the foundation of our whole energy. Genetic body and so if there's not a strong root there, it's hard to build upon that and yeah, I can share now or later about what the pelvic Bowl means to me. But I really see it as both a physical place but also a metaphor or a lot. Let's go there. I want to hear all about it. Okay. Yeah. I really see the pelvic Bowl as being a place of not Just creativity and sensuality but also of our power and our safety and we can't in order to be sensual and order to be creative. We need to feel safe. And so if that place is cut off if we don't feel safe Even in our own bodies, it's really hard to to move right we have could we back up and get really fundamental for? A sec. Oh, totally. What is the pelvic Bowl? Hmm such a good question. So I consider the pelvic Bowl anatomically anything between the pubic bone and front and the sacrum and back and the hips and then all our reproductive organs and our bladder. So our uterus and our cervix and our vaginas and involve us and uterine tubes. The word fallopian was a Clear like band's name. And so I like the term uterine tube and our ovaries and prostate for some folks and Enos which often gets left out of the yeah conversation and our whole pelvic floor. And so that whole region. Yeah below our belly buttons and 360°. I called out the public pool. Okay? Yeah, what does that part of the body has to do with creativity? T yeah, I think traditionally people think that for women and for people with uteruses that you know, we have this very tangible potential for creating life and so that got connected to this place, but I see it as any I see fertility as being all-encompassing and not just our ability to conceive a human life, but also Term like have dreams that also like have visions that we want to carry out in the world to be like rooted into the Earth and then pull from that energy to create so that we're not it's not just us we become channels and that way and so when we talk about creativity, I think about imagination. I think it was vessel vendor called who wrote the body keeps the score. Who talked about that one of the main kind of tragic outcomes of trauma and particularly PTSD is a person's a person losing their ability to imagine. Mmm. And so there's even not the thought of like life can be better or I can feel better because we need the imagination to think of another way of being and he sees that as like, one of the yeah, one of the like biggest biggest things that we need to address as healers is allowing people to have an imagination again, and so so I see creativity and Imagination as being really intimately connected and that if somebody's had any injury to their pelvic bowls or to their sexuality or sensuality or Or ability to feel rooted in their bodies, then their creativity is going to suffer. Yeah that makes so much sense to me and I really enjoy hearing you talk about it. I think about our bodies a lot and embodiment and the relationship of the kind of pelvic region the sacral chakra and Scorpio rulership in the body to sustenance and security and so I'm enjoying a lot higher putting language to that and I'm wondering how you work with helping people reconnect if there has been trauma and we when we were meeting kind of before we started recording you were saying something that actually I'm wondering if you can talk a little bit about now, which is that this part of the body is so disconnected for so many people and then it Especially anybody who's born into patriarchy, can you talk about like what do you mean by that and how does it show up for people? Like how do you see it in clients? Or how do you feel it? Mmm-hmm? Yes. This is something that really a few months ago. I was sitting with like why is this all-pervasive this disconnect from our pelvic bowls? Why is it that menstruation is seen as dirty and so many different major religions. Yeah, and I was like, oh, yeah patriarchy patriarchy that is so that is ubiquitous and has touched most places in the world and and in order for patriarchy to survive and needs to cut off the power line the like power cord of anybody that could be a threat to it and who could be a threat to Key women and people with vaginas and really anybody in a marginalized body. So I also think you know in this people who have experienced colonization is also being potentially cut off and so I have seen this to show up in my practice as yeah of people, you know, I often lead like body scans for people, especially one of the first visits because it's not just a body scan. It's also helping me to map where their awareness is able to go and I can't tell you how many people that as we approach their belly button and even higher up there's just like a disconnected like suddenly they go offline and that might look like I can't feel my genitals or I can't like or I'm like suddenly in my mind thinking thoughts or sometimes strong and Something's come up. Yeah, and I'm thinking about what we were just talking about is this being a seat of creativity and power and the interest in keeping a lot of people chronically disempowered and and not able to access creativity. Yes. I'm just like yes and we're seeing right now with these laws going into effect in these places the abortion the unfortunate events. Yes that To me is like, oh my gosh. We need this now more than ever the knowledge that we actually can chart our own cycles and no one were fertile or not. And that that information is a threat to the government's to pharmaceutical companies, right because they make a lot about the birth control pill and other birth control means it's a huge set and yet we never learned that From school because our bodies are considered scary cuz I really could get pregnant and I don't know how many people who are listening or if you even Renee remember being a teenager and I just remember them talking about pregnancy like this really scary thing. That's your fault that you could get pregnant at any time of the month and I already likes eating these the sphere around the power of our bodies. Oh, yeah, you know I was really fortunate to have a pretty hardcore feminist for a mom. And when I started bleeding, she had a ceremony for me. I remember she bought me this red rose candle and invited all of her women friends over. I know it's very sweet. It's very sweet to think of it. Now. I was totally ashamed when it happened. I started bleeding kind of young at 12 and Had a lot of gender ambivalence. I was not stoked to be female and was pretty reluctant to think of myself as a woman. And so that I remember kind of feeling a little traumatized by her by her ceremony, but now feeling so grateful that she gave me a lot of information but in school, I was always the person that knew and so I would share it with a lot of friends, you know, I was always the person that knew Ooh about sex. I was always a person that knew about drugs about the ovulation method and stuff like that is just information. I got imagining other other people's parents and hey friends were schoolmates were allowed to hang out with me because of the information that I shared but that actually seems like one of the So this question of how do you help people reconnect to this part of their body using body scans just basic body awareness right like invitation to feel but then information your teaching people really important and very practical skills. Yeah, and and the work that I do that I recommend doing with with somebody else because it can easily kind of tip over into Sometimes a trauma response for people but I kind of Walk The Edge with people in terms of like okay, so you notice that you get cut off right around your belly button. Let's go ahead and notice what happens in mindfulness when we like go up together right right to that edge where you start things getting start getting a little fuzzy unless like hang out there and see what happens and so I really consider the work that I do the work that my clients do as a kind of edge walking and at that edge they get to start to to create new neural Pathways new energy Pathways that say this is safe. I belong here. I have a right to be here. I get to take up space here. I get to grieve this I got to move. Move this I get to celebrate this and so it's really really rich work and it looks so different for each person. Yeah, but the mindfulness peace and and yeah tuning in it was really important piece. One thing that you mentioned a lot on your website is gender-inclusive a tea. How does that work with this with wound healing and reconnection the pelvic floor and really coming from Place that I feel like correct me if I'm wrong to say, I think you're a womanist. Yeah. Yeah, totally I have well as somebody who's married to someone who identifies as non-binary and my younger brother is trans. I feel like yeah, there's like Fierce commitment to making this work accessible. To anybody who has a vagina whether or not they call it a vagina and so if I have somebody who is in my practice who comes in and they don't identify as a woman. I like to ask them. Like, how can I talk about your body parts? How can we how can I like, you know call you and call your body and names that feel affirming to you and that feel empowering to you and sometimes that's something that we get to learn. Together. Yeah, and a lot of permission is such a strong focus in the work that I do and then also helping people to start to ask permission of their own bodies while they engage with their bodies and I think especially for folks who yeah who've just been kind of like falling through the cracks of the medical system and through society and off. Often like don't often encounter kind of disrespect. It can be very empowering. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I imagine just having the question of how can I talk to your body? What are the words that we can use? Yeah as being probably the first time maybe a lot of folks have even been had that question raised with them and what a powerful question absolutely and also I do so many Allergies that I think there's like within my work that range from doing something as intimate as internal pelvic floor work that's intravaginal to doing pelvic schemes where it's like zero touch on my part and so to doing like external body work. And so I think that that also helps to meet people where they are. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, this kind of piece around language and also locating that so many of us. I mean even me being raised with a feminist, you know, just not having language for my body or for Sensations in my body of her desire and when there is not language, it's such an isolating experience, maybe even definitely isolating and relationship, but also isolating from myself like I have a ham having an Manson I don't have language. I can't talk about it. Maybe it's not real doubting my own experience or doubting the validity of my experience. It seems like the the ways that you're able to approach people. It's like they can start to develop an internal map and maybe use locating or describing sensation or things that are coming up emotionally and then that can become the Lexicon for you to meet each other. Yeah, that's beautiful. I love that. Yes, that's such a beautiful way of describing the work that I do and I agree and I kind of Loops back to like the importance of the pelvic bowl that I really think that you know, there's such a kind of mirroring between our throat chakras and I would like pelvics first and second chakras and that is who we are in our power. Able to voice that and so I love that you're touching on the power of being able to put words to our experience and then I'll just say briefly that from like a kind of somatic nervous system perspective when we're able to put words to it or experience. We're hanging out at our prefrontal cortex. And so that's helping to bring out of our subconscious into our consciousness. So awareness something that we might have not had before and that's where the real shift start to happen people and who are healing? Yeah. That's yeah, that's beautiful. Thanks for saying that. It feels like such a direct link back into power to be able to have conscious awareness of something and put language around it because after that we can talk to each other we can be validated in our experiences. We can organized and yes. Yeah, and thinking of how many of us come from cultures from Generations from thousands of years of having our voices cut off. Yeah. Yeah. Just another note about your astrology chart. I will keep glancing over at it. Jeevan is a Leo Rising which means that Taurus is in the 10th house and the 10th house and a western chart is the place of career in Public Image or vocation not always the same as career, but it's calling and Link what you're putting out into the world and Taurus is in the axis with Scorpio. And so Taurus and Scorpio rule the gates of the the throat and the voice and the pelvic region respectively and their relationship to each other and you have a generational placement, which is Chiron and tourists a couple of years that Chiron was moving through that sign and Chiron is Often called the wounded healer and so it's like how do we transmute the pain and suffering or the wound patterns that we've inherited into our gifts and I love just seeing Chiron up there in your tents and Taurus and of course this year you're honest moved into Taurus. And so the next seven years are going to be I hope an amplification of your message and the kind of continued liberation of this work and I'm putting more words and visibility around it. Oh my gosh him Goosebumps are in the hay excited. One thing I was thinking about when just a minute ago. We were talking about language is how much trauma comes out of the Western Medical system may be other Medical Systems to where there's not language in earlier. We are having a discussion talking about our Various experiences either personally or through our friends and loved ones having encounters with Western doctors where their bodies weren't. I mean we're respected there was no consent. Maybe there was an informed consent there wasn't information around side effects for really important procedures. We were talking about some of the more common procedures a particular procedure around like removing abnormal cell growth from the cervix. It's called the Leep procedure and that this particular the procedure is done a lot and the potential side effects of it include loss of libido loss of sexual sensation and pleasure and also loss of Happiness. I'm I was thinking about what you were talking about with vessel Van Der kolk in this, you know, being able to connect to our imagination and creativity. And so I know someone who recently went through this procedure and there was no Saint or information about these side effects before they had it and just just the trauma of that on top of the procedure was astounding because it's so violating. Yes. How how have you experienced this in your work? Do you work with a lot of people who are coming to you from a western system looking for something else? I would say most people. Yeah, and yes, I just just want a name that that's such sadly is such a common experience that I hear of people going to a Western Medical setting seeking support and then coming out traumatized from it. Yeah, and you know as a natural medical provider, I I don't I think there are certain aspects of Western medicine and I'm grateful for that I can save I've seen you know, and there's this huge piece that to me is perpetuating that very like patriarchal model of approaching the human body right of like power over instead of like lifting someone up in their power using that as like, okay leverage to to Really Empower patients. And so yes, that is sadly. Yes. I've had people come in who specifically want to heal not because of any sexual trauma that's happened or birth trauma, but specifically trauma due to medical procedures or interactions something that I'm really appreciating hearing about how you're working with people is an approach to Healing this participatory and what I'm hearing is that You're giving people tools to connect and build relationships with their own body and their healing process, which is not a pathologizing approach which seems to be the foundation of Western medicine is to make something wrong and address the symptom rather than the whole organism as a organism. That's primarily healthy actually and can you talk a little bit about anything that that just sparked for you? Yeah. Yes. Yes. Yes, I thought It is absolutely yeah my intention in this work and I often tell my clients and my students that as we take a step towards the wound. We also are going to take a step towards the resource. And so that might look like we're can you feel Comfort right now in your body? Where do you feel pleasure? I keep like a really nice little set. The hand wrap it for the sheepskin rug and things that feel really good in my office to help also work not just on not just on trying to heal what's wrong quote-unquote that also trying to really bolster and strengthen what's already there? Because our bodies already know our bodies are so wise and all we need is just a little nudge. A little listening to really set in motion the healing. Yeah, that's such a wonderful Chiron statement like a step towards the wounds and step towards the healing. I love that. Can you talk a little bit about some of these approaches that you take with people that feel very empowering like this this work that you do around body Oracle. Jeevan has an online class called body Oracle. What is that the body or class? Yeah, and so You know most of the work I interview I would say comes out of my own healing and then working with other people and then pulling from all these different streams of knowledge that I've studied and practiced and so body Oracle is the class all about practicing embodiment with this focus of finding our inner yeses and inner knows which I think is such an important. Inch practice right now. That's why having conversations around consent as things are coming up in the media like every day around people people feeling violated that we that we start to gauge. Like, what is the yes, what is the no because we can't speak our yeses and NOS if we don't really know what they are. What is that process look like, how do we find a yes or no on our bodies? Yeah, and so in body Oracle, I guide people first. I give kind of a overview of the nervous system and really talk about like our fight flight freeze and a piece responses and talk about ways that energy may or may not move in our bodies and start to get people reflecting on like oh, what a what do I tend to do where it is? My energy tends to go and then I Invite people into a few mindfulness exercises where they recall and experience and for the no experience. It's a very it's a like a salt light snow. So it's not like a majorly traumatic experience, but an experience where they like felt no and then we start to check out like what was that? How does that show up in your body? And then we start to play with it. And so Hissing like can I can I increase the volume on that like could I turn it down? And so it becomes this somatic practice and exploration that we do together. It's been really cool Renee people. I even have people now that I taught this class lives in January and they're like my body Oracle like now tells me yeah, like what's up? To go for yeah, and so it's so cool to see how just like that simple tool of tuning in can inform all areas of our lives and I think there's like deeper layers to go but body Oracle I should call it intro to body Oracle exists just the first steps in that right and you're about to start a second step or second part of this program. Is that right? Yeah. I am calling it be Are we launching an embodied steaming course? Mmm? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Well you tell us about that next week. Yeah looks totally body Oracle 2.0 will be coming to I pick up some point. Okay? Yeah, okay, but for the time being the body Oracle class is available as an online program people can take and I was just checking out this morning. I think I'm going to do it looks really accessible and affordable and Amazing and then what is pelvic steaming tell me all about that. Yeah, pelvic steaming is a traditional healing practice that actually comes from so many places in the world. I learned it from a teacher and Central America, but it's practiced. Yeah and like at least 40 or 50 different countries around the world and it is is traditionally it was a practiced on postpartum. So like a practice done by midwives or like facilitated by midwives for people postpartum to help heal tissues, but also like the spirit of people who have given birth and so a pelvic steam is using it's basically making a tea out of plants and then sitting over it and some call it a sauna for your vagina. Again, esteem. Yeah, we've been having these really beautiful stools on her website that know like you put the the tee underneath and it's like comes up through this opening. Yes, like like great. Yeah and people don't even need a steam still they can like go into a child's pose and hover. Okay, it's really great to get a little bit of support when you're beginning sir is the possibility of burn which we never wants. Right right. I was thinking Would be a good use for yoga blocks. That's a great idea. You mentioned before that you approach pelvic steaming as a somatic practice. Can you talk about that? Yeah, so there are a few different pelvic steam classes out there right now and they're wonderful and they really approach steaming as like a physical practice that treats physical symptoms like endometriosis and fibroids and cysts. Pelvic pain and so I definitely bring that into my teaching but the focus is around starting to bring some sensation. So that pelvic floor where there may have been. Yeah, there may have been some wounding or for people who don't feel connected with their genitals. They may feel like this is not a place that I want to be in steaming as a super gentle and non-invasive way to start connecting to this place in our bodies. Yeah. Yeah to just go back for a second to all of your various modalities. So you're working with people quite therapeutically through talk and embodied awareness and and then through pelvic steaming and then you also work with holistic pelvic care as well. Would you share what that is? Yeah holistic. Hope it carries the modalities started by Tammy Kent who is a physical therapist based in Portland. And basically she founded this because she was in school and learned just a little bit of pelvic internal pelvic floor work and realized that it was completely missing from the rest of her curriculum and yet it was so this work was so important. And again as we were talking about like the disconnect from our pelvic bowls, we see this in medicine to write that it becomes a place that's pathologize door not really given like enough attention to so so holistic pelvic care works by intravaginally and you can do it in an energetic work externally moving mapping out the pelvic floor. And then helping to release any areas of tension or holding Mmm Yeah, it's amazing work. So you work with these modalities and then you're teaching as well and you offer coaching and various different classes and one-on-one appointments and along with the pelvic steaming and body Oracle work. I was really drawn to this series called the embodied babe that right and body. A baby, yeah. Mmm. Yeah. Mmm. Yeah, so excited, you know, somebody who studied acupuncture. I'm like, how do I do this work? How do I take this work? Like Beyond just my office and be able to provide healing to people everywhere. So I started the embodied behave coaching series which was a series of twelve sessions were which is So we founded on embodiment work the invited be coaching series is a series of really coming into our bodies. It's all about. Yeah what it says embodiment. And the reason I called it embodied babe. Let's say I wanted to make it a little more gender inclusive and it's and To me of the power behind embodiment and I'll keep coming back to this is that for us to really be empowered? We have to be in our bodies. And so the embodiment coaching is a way of returning to our bodies as safe and as vessels for creativity and vessels of voice and and having relationships that feel healthier. For me the word babe is such a celebratory term and when I call my friends babe, it's like full of love and tenderness and appreciation for their creativity their sexuality their like attraction attractiveness. And when I was looking at the description for this coaching series, I was thinking about the times when I've been really comfortable calling myself a babe which Doesn't happen that often and I'm wondering like in this process that you're going through with people. What like what do you think about being a babe and like what does that mean? And how do you coach people in that process? Yeah. Well, first of all, you're a total of eight RNA we were talking about with starting to bleed and Pretty and stuff. I think sexuality and like feeling myself as being a somewhat androgynous person, you know feeling myself kind of in that awareness in a social context has always felt a little inaccessible. Like I don't see I see more and more people that I can relate with kind of claiming their Badness there babe leanness, but for a long time, it's felt like oh that That word doesn't apply I don't get that. Oh totally can relate to and I'm thinking yeah for so much of my adolescence like not even feeling like a woman and feeling I mean, yeah, even like eating lunch by myself and seeing like popular people and feeling very very separate from that, which is also been a process of Of like how much and by is also like internalized misogyny or you know rejecting rejecting some piece of myself. So it's been an interesting process for me. But but I would say yeah not feeling like a babe for so much of my life and really feeling like that's other and that you had to me the word babe, which can apply to anybody. I love it as a As a word that's like all-inclusive is somebody who feels at home in their bodies Mmm Yeah, and that that confidence. I'm like a real. I'm like, I don't know if this is in my chart, but I feel like I can really like see through the bullshit really easily with people in your chart. Okay. It's like the moment I meet somebody I can sense work who like what's going on and there's something that I Like fake confidence and something. I saw a lot of my 20 years of like this like fake it until you make it and I can see through that so easily and I can also see when somebody's confidence is like so rooted in their own journey of coming into themselves and being with themselves in a friendly way and that doesn't mean you know with the embodied babe is somebody who's committed to returning going to themselves over and over and over again. It doesn't mean it happens every day. Right doesn't mean there aren't days of like I just don't feel good today. Yeah, but that commitment peace and the the confidence that's like a real confidence that comes from being at home of themself. Yeah. Yeah what I'm hearing and that is bringing me back to not quite sure when it was a couple of minutes ago and you were mentioning working. trauma working with like the dissociative patterns fight flight freeze and then I heard you include appease and I was thinking about the appeasing part as a method of distraction for our bodies and that's such a strong message in lesson that I've been given as a female person is to be pleasing and I think that is the biggest barrier for me when I think about owning the word babe or identifying with that is an external eyes dyed idea of what that should be or what that looks like. In your coaching series. Is there any way to talk about like what does this journey look like for folks or what are some experiences you've had as a facilitator practitioner going through them? Yeah. Absolutely. You know, I can say that my clients when they come are coming for a reason and that's usually them being aware that they feel disconnected on some level and along with that. Empowered they're in relationships or family relationships or careers that don't feel fulfilling to them. Maybe they're just even their relationship to their own body feels like it's depleting and so really working like I named to for going towards towards that with curiosity and with Iceland has caught body magic that you can call it mindfulness. And and then weaving in these self care practices to start to build up muscle of like touching one's self and of being with oneself and and by no means I'm like all about looking at everything that's there and I see it as a strength, but I know some people are sometimes overwhelmed. So I've had I've learned to like take a few steps back and be like, okay, we won't jump into the void will just like put a tote. together but they have like standing there with people and allowing them to see what comes up and then the start to move it move it and so I've seen huge Transformations happen with my clients and it's been just a few months of going from being like sexually cut off and in an unhappy relationship to being like Oh my gosh, like I am like we broke up it was like so good and loving and I'm like feeling like so in my body in this way, I've never felt and I like know what I want and what I like. Oh, I'm gonna go like try this new career path that I've always wanted to do. And so I see it all connected but starting at that face, I like being in your friendship with ourselves, right which basically brings us full circle back to this idea of the pelvic Bowl being the To creativity and agency. Yes, and so you're working with people very specifically around women and pelvic healing and then the entire rest of their lives are connecting and it's alright. Yes, totally and sexuality. We haven't, you know, explicitly named it that much but I just think yeah sexuality is such a strong piece to this and for me when I feel into being a sexual well being I feel warmth. I feel like tingling on my skin. I feel my breath and I feel aliveness and so I my work is about helping people get in touch with their lives - through their pelvic bowls. Can we talk a little bit about desire? Yeah. It's not desire. In my own experience as I was mentioning feeling disconnected from my babe Identity or feeling disconnected in a lot of ways for my gender. I don't feel non-binary. I feel pretty solidly fam identified, but I don't feel like my desire has been not accessible to me throughout my life and thinking large part because the stories I get about what desire should look like should look like for women Etc. Are you know that desire is always linked with sexuality that it's been really hard for me to get to feel connected to my desire. Like I can feel it when it comes to worldly ambition or like I wanted to you know, move towards some kind of achievement that feels very easy, but to actually just connect to a very embodied space of Desire feels challenging. So I imagine I'm not alone. Not at all. Not at all. Yeah, thank you for sharing that because I think it's a vulnerable experience to share and one that we don't talk about. We don't make room for right and there's this Assumption of like, oh, you know, yeah from that objectifying standpoint of being a big means that you're like sexually turned on all the time and that looks this way. I love this book that you may or may not have heard of called come as you are and she talks about the just so like physiological and nervous system aspects of being in in our sexual beat bodies and and how there's so much variance and I love to starts up book by saying there's nothing wrong with you. Hmm. There's nothing wrong with you where each so different. And I would say that a lot of folks. They part of the work I do with people starting to tune in is this my particular flavor of sexuality or is there some block there or someone or something there that got placed maybe I was even born into it or maybe something happened and that thought process got shut down and I would say that that's that often that that does come up that people are like I think something in me it was shut down. And so I love bringing pleasure practices and to the work that I do and that might look like yeah, like touching something as very softer velvety and just staying with it for small sips of pleasure. If we do too much it can kind of be overwhelming for people and so we're right there. Like I said walking the edge of like Kate how much can you let this? Sin, and how does that feel and then starting to connect that to our sexuality? Yeah. I feel like you would just be such an amazing personal work with with your I think what you named before now, I'm forgetting what you named it actually your ability to see through things. Do you remember how you said I don't know bullshit defect in his chart. So you have your Pisces son / And and as a Leo Rising person that puts Pisces in the 8th house and the 8th house is related to the eighth sign which is Scorpio. So the themes of Scorpio in the Eighth House are themes of what is hidden. What is kind of submerged in the Deep Waters and the Deep waters are the deep feelings astrologically water is the emotional element and so things that have like, you know bin weighted or incurred somehow. They're stuck in it in the mud. They've been buried for a long time. And the way that Scorpio I think really brings its gift is to be able to see all the way into the depth to soar to sense all the way into the depth and out of all the signs Scorpio is the one that has the most keenly attuned psychological awareness. So when I'm looking at your chart Seen that Pisces Sun so personal Radiance that is really radiating with and through pervasive emotional sensitivity, like spidey sense into what what can't be talks about what feels emotionally heavy or scary or repressed or something like this. And then the way that your son gets aspected in your chart by a number of different things. The sense that I get is that your bullshit detector is at least with your clients. I don't know how does in the rest of your life for the rest of the world, but that it's so loving and that I imagine having you call me out on bullshit or like, you know, bring any like I feel like maybe you're not connecting to your truth or is Is your story someone else's I imagine that would be just such a loving experience coming from you. Thank you. Thank you for anything about this. So cool that shows up in the chart. Yeah, thank you for any meal and I've had that reflected to me. I'm over and over again that people are like wow that like hit something home and I went home and really sat with that and like thank you for for being for like saying. In that and over the years I've had to learn to like to communicate in a way that's loving and not just go straight into it right off my fingers gonna be like, but they see you think that's where is moon comes. In fact exactly. I've got my glasses on this is a scientific and it's just like my personality is so much of like wow that hurts less. But I don't like what is that like I want to get to know that and and it's a shame. It's taking me a while to realize that that most people maybe aren't aren't like that and that's part of the job coming right to see me as that. They get to be guided up the piece of their own body right towards that and so yeah, thank you for reflecting that chili love that you just said that too because I think that you know in In this other thread that we've been kind of traveling with around patriarchy and the way that systemic oppression of not just women's bodies a lot of women's bodies, but I'd say like people's bodies people's embodied pleasure. Not the objectified dominating pleasure, but a real like sense of connection to bodies and pleasure that that gets so wiped out by all of these stories that Have about whatever and whatever they are, whether they're you know, super early experiences around our own bodies messaging we're getting being shamed for masturbating adolescent experiences sexual trauma. All of that gets held in this place where societally there's not a lot of space for it unless that space is in some ways perpetuating the trauma that there's such a thetic around like traumatizing storytelling, you know in this kind of sensationalizing of trauma, but that when we can encounter those parts of ourselves and start to move towards them just like you said a while ago that one step towards the wound is a step towards the healing and it sucks words the power that those places. I don't know if you feel this in your work, but I know when I do my embodied work with clients I often feel these I call them nodes and they're like hubs of quietude and Stillness where something has been held very very deeply for a very long time and it's kind of like a son or a planet and that energy orbits around it, but the actual center of it is Encapsulated in this like membrane of defensiveness or it's you know, some kind of protective function and it that protective function kind of like exists to dispel any attention towards it but then when we when we can hold awareness and get in there A lot of times what will come up is just profound Joy or like some kind of, you know, big creative inspiration. Or feeling really empowered and really like energized or something like that. So I'm thinking about the this work that you're doing with people around like encountering these stories and then Your Capacity as a facilitator. What I think is your capacity and looking at your chart to probably do your own body scan with your clients and I'm guessing fairly quickly identify where there are places that are frozen and where there are places that are kind of distracted. I love hearing you talk about how you work critic because it's just so cool to think of how all the different ways that we get to approach the body and that would be We tend to like kind of yeah find these similar patterns of their being these pieces of holding and that around that there might be a little defense system of like, nope. Kick go in here. No, we haven't been in here many years. This was not allowed and then when we're able when the body is able to feel safe enough to actually go towards it then underlying that can be so much Rachel Roy. Oi power. Yeah, I want to give a big up to our birth year Stephen and I have the same birth year. We were both born in 1983 and I've encountered a lot of people through my work as an astrologer of our 1983 babies and folks are all different for sure what everybody's going through and they're different paths, but in 1983, there were two really powerful conjunctions happening Saturn and Pluto were conjunct in the late day. Use of Libra an early degrees of Scorpio and you're honest and Jupiter were conjunct in Sagittarius. So Saturn and Pluto come together every 36 years like they're about to come together in 2020. All of 2019. They're applying Saturn is the time lord. It's like the energy that matures us and that sets things into form and Pluto is the Lord of death. So the energy that destroys And transforms and so those two coming together and do even and I have a similar ascendant. So we both have these Saturn and Pluto at the root of our charts. I think those two coming together have this quality of intense purposefulness and commitment that is not attached to form and you're honest and Jupiter together have this quality to rapidly Is information and to be I think fascinated and hungry for knowledge, but also to not be really constrained by a form. There is this need to synthesize and to see the similarities between different paths. And with the thing that you are just saying I was thinking about what an amazing thing. It is to be alive right now to be our age to be in. In I mean the community that in that we share in some ways of being queer a female identified healers and this Uprising that is happening right now with folks around somatic work and embodiment work and the streaming together of a lot of wisdom paths and self-knowing and ancestral healing. I just I love to hear what you're doing. Being and the way that you're working feel so excited about the ways that you're bridging these different modalities. Yeah, and it feels inevitable as you're talking about that like every like so many traditional systems of science and spirituality observe that when we pushed sermon something, you know expands and need the needs to contract or the other way around if it's been Contracted it goes into expansion. And so I'm just like yeah, it's a really exciting time to be doing this work and I feel so strongly so often I'm like seeing people's posts on Instagram. We're seeing books come up and I feel even like pleasure activism by Adrienne Marie Brown. I started reading it a few weeks ago and I'm like, we're like, oh whatever her. It's like where I feel like this like a collective Muse right now and that so many of us are like tuning into this and it if I got goosebumps because that is part of the toppling over patriarchy is that it has to be Collective. It has to happen together and part of happening together means that our body needs. So be like on board with working together. Absolutely. Yeah can't be mental. No, I'm not or not purely mental. It really we have to be able to feel our effect with each other feel our relationship feel ourselves. Yeah, totally one other thing. I was just thinking when you were talking was how this sadder Pluto conjunction is a signature for Alchemy and that so much of the work that I see you doing that. I feel that I'm doing that so many in our cohort are doing is this reclaiming of ancestral knowledge, but bringing it into a And this age and again this synthesis and you know for you as an mixed-race person and when I first interviewed you 10 years ago, I remember talking with you about like what's it like to be going to this yoga studio where eight of pain out of 10 people are white and here you are as like maybe one of the only brown people may be the only person of Indian descent that was coming in the class. Isis like what about feel like remember we're having quite a good conversation about that but now thinking about your work and how you studied East Asian medicine here in the states and you're blending all of these different ancestral practices and I feel like going I'm going to make an assumption. I don't know what your program was like, but I feel like you're probably going a lot deeper into the ancestral practice. That it's a not so much about the memorization of the texts or like working with these different forms, but back into the roots of an elemental practice. Mmm. Yeah. Oh my gosh before I speak to that I as I was on my way here. I was remembering telling you like, you know, I'm it's getting better and the studio, but I just can't get on board with a namaste at the end. Stop saying that at the end of class. So yeah, I was remembering that conversation to and and I like to always name that some point that you know, I'm not Chinese. I'm not East Asian and yet I'm practicing medicine that came from right over the mountains of where my ancestors came from and there was an exchange of information that happens but even As a person of color it's important for me to like to name where I come from and also where I don't come from and that as I, you know studied East Asian medicine and have so much teef respect for the system. It made me more and more realize that there's a lot of crossover with traditional systems of medicine and that, you know using different words and different kind of yeah map. Mapping to explain what's happening, but there's a lot of overlap of like coming to the body as a whole and to the person and not the pathology and then also this other piece of really connecting to the natural world. And I think that's a huge piece of embodiment that I would like to talk more about in my work as how to remember ourselves as nature. Yeah. Yeah. Jeevan, thank you so much. Thank you Renee. Is there anything we haven't talked about that you want to talk about? Hmm? I guess they just want to say to folks who who might be listening to this and maybe feeling like wow. I need some healing around my pelvic bowl and the feels scary or they don't know where to go that to just start small and to find somebody who's really who that they can build a trusting relationship with there's a saying in therapy. Big circles that what gets wounded in relationship heels and relationship and so my work is strongly relational meaning that the relationship itself is part of the healing that happens and so as they're looking for somebody to work with to make sure it's somebody that they can start to develop trust with because that's going to be really really fundamental for the work itself. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, thanks for saying that. Do you only work in person or do you work online with people? I do work online and I'm currently working on some 12 you relaunching the embodied steaming class soon. And then I'm thinking about doing some group coaching. So I think there's like I mentioned Collective there's something that feels really powerful about working in a group right now. So keep your eyes peeled for that. So people can do The steaming class online as well. Yeah the steaming classes online. And then right now I'm currently teaching an in-person class that will hopefully make its way online this year called secret sexual contract. Mmm, and it's a six-week class that I teach with Liz long who's a Reiki healer and intuitive healer and then Ally a white Ally where we really start to like Ian and transform and rewrite our contracts that we've made with ourselves and with the world around our sexuality. So it was amazing. Yeah, and all of this is on the website. Okay, that's class started already it did this will be our second class today. Okay, and jeevan's practice is called flower hand wellness and you can find her website at flower hand wellness.com anything else we want to leave the listeners with you then? And feel free to find me on my Instagram as well at flower hand Wellness. I like receiving messages from people and you know directing them to the right place to go. So feel free to reach out definitely followed you Vince Instagram. It's so good. It's one of my favorites. Yeah. Yours is one of my favorite. Yay you also have is it a podcast the moon? What are the moon named done days? Is a series of conversations twice a month with folks who are in the world of an embodied healing and women pelvic healing where we I basically sit and an interview people about the work that they do and they usually share some sort of self care practice. And so that will right now I'm like figuring out the technology platform that's best for that, but definitely Stay tuned. Okay, but for the meantime, when you sign up for free on your website you get access to those videos and you get a link to login, and I don't know if it's a participation but to to be there to observe the conversations not exactly it for right now. If you sign up for the newsletter, you'll get access to this library of videos, and and I hope to have a more participatory live. Whether that's back on Instagram life and somehow having a more life component to the yeah. Yeah for well, I am over the moon and so excited about your work. Mm. Thanks for coming to talk to me. Thank you Renee. So awesome said just get to spend time with you. I know we should do it more ditto. So feel like a good place to Perfect. All right. Thanks everyone for listening. I sure hope you enjoyed this conversation. Station as much as I did. I just want to remind you that from now until September 1st. 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Tune in to this special episode and guest interview with Jeevan Singh! In this episode we talk about the power of the pelvic bowl and the potential of language and embodiment for healing. Jeevan talks about her journey from trauma to awakening on her life’s path as a somatic womb and pelvic healer and integrative mental health practitioner. She shares some of how she facilitates awareness and supports clients in healing and empowerment. Renee offers interpretations of Jeevan’s chart throughout the interview and we discuss her Leo rising, Scorpio and Pisces placements, Chiron in Taurus and more! — Jeevan comes from the Sanskrit जीवन (jīvana), meaning life, or more specifically that spark which animates every living being. A name that’s fitting, as it speaks to her life’s work - guiding womxn and folks with vaginas back into the sanctuaries of their bodies, to reclaim their birthright of aliveness and embodiment. As a visionary, womb-keeper, herbalist, doctor and guide, Jeevan offers work that is experiential and holistic. She offers 1:1 sessions and courses on holistic pelvic wellness and embodiment coaching. She believes that one of the most radical things we can do for ourselves and the collective is to cultivate self-friendship on both a physical and spiritual level. Jeevan holds a doctorate in East Asian medicine and a masters in integrative mental health and currently offers 1:1 Embodied Pelvic Healing sessions, both in Portland and worldwide remotely. She has a handful of online courses, including (as mentioned in today’s episode): - Body Oracle, an instant access intro to embodiment mini-course to start developing a sense of your inner yes, inner no and meeting your Body Oracle. - Herbal Pelvic Steam Baths for Beginners - out very soon! This instant access online course covers all the bases for starting to safely do a pelvic / yoni steam in the comfort of your own home. - Embodied Steaming - this 6-week online course runs 2-3 times yearly and goes beyond the basics of pelvic steaming to be able to actually work with the practice of steaming, plant medicine and ritual as a means of embodied pelvic healing. Topics explore include Safety & Belonging, Boundaries & Personal Power, Softening Into Pleasure and Authentic Creating. Each week these are explored along with a steaming ritual and live classes. - *New* Membership - Being released before Leo season ends, this annual membership is a portal into the world of embodiment, ritual, cycle magic and seasonal wellness. Month by month, we go into the energetics of the season, connecting it back to our bodies and pelvic bowls. Members will receive a monthly live call with Jeevan, a monthly self-care ritual and practice, pre-recorded classes by guest instructors sharing skills, access to this course library and more. In addition, all will have access to the members-only FB group. Use the code ASTROBABES for a 25% discount on the Embodied Babes Annual Membership: https://jeevansingh.mykajabi.com/offers/FGUHRy7q/checkout To learn more about Jeevan, visit her website: flowerhandwellness.com and Instagram: @flowerhandwellness —— Become a monthly subscriber of Embodied Astrology https://www.embodiedastrology.com/subscribe Did you enjoy this episode?

I read all the best Bitcoin content out there so that you can listen. This is a crypto. Kana me quick read with guys swan. Welcome back to the crypto Cana me everybody. We have got another great read today. We are actually going to continue to finish out our week. We're going to continue through the Unchained Capital series by Parker Lewis reading the next one in the gradually then suddenly series titled Bitcoin not blockchain. And this is a slightly longer piece and I'm low on time today because I'm working on a lot of other stuff. So I probably won't be doing any commentary but I think this one kind of speaks for itself. So without further Ado, let's go ahead and jump into Parker Lewis has posted at Unchained Capital Bitcoin not blockchain. Have you ever heard a smart sounding friend say that they aren't sure about Bitcoin but they believe in blockchain technology. This is like saying you believe in airplanes, but you're not sure about the wings and there's a good chance that anyone who thinks that may not understand either in reality Bitcoin and it's blockchain are dependent on each other. However, if new to bitcoin understanding how it works and parsing the landscape can be Really difficult frankly. It can be overwhelming given the complexity and sheer volume of projects who has the time to possibly evaluate everything there is in fact a manageable path, but you have to know where to start while there are seemingly thousands of cryptocurrencies and blockchain initiatives. There is really only one that matters Bitcoin ignore everything else like it didn't exist in first try to develop an understanding of why Bitcoin, Exists and how it works. That is the best foundation to then be able to think about the entirety of everything else. It is also the most practical entry point before taking a flyer in risking hard-earned value take the time to understand Bitcoin and then use that knowledge to evaluate the field. There is no promise that you will come to the same conclusions. But more often than not those who take the time to intuitively understand how and why Bitcoin Works more easily recognize the flaws inherent in the field. And even if not starting with Bitcoin remains your best hope of making an informed and independent assessment ultimately Bitcoin is not about making money and it's not a get-rich-quick scheme. It is fundamentally about storing the value you have already created and no one should risk that without a requisite knowledge base within the world of digital currencies Bitcoin has the longest track record to assess and the greatest amount of resources to educate which is why Bitcoin is the best tool to learn to start on this journey first realize that Bitcoin was created to specifically address a problem that exists with modern money the founder of Bitcoin set out to create a peer-to-peer digital cash system without the need for a trusted third party in a blockchain was one critical part of the solution in practice Bitcoin the currency and it's blockchain are interdependent one does not exist without the other bit. Needs its blockchain to function and there would not be a functioning blockchain without a native currency Bitcoin to properly incentivize resources to protect it that native currency must be viable as a form of money because it is exclusively what pays for security and it must have credible monetary properties in order to be viable. Without the money there is no security without the security the value of the currency and integrity of the chain both breakdown. It is for this reason that a blockchain is only useful within the application of money and money is not magically grow on trees. Yep. It's that simple a blockchain is only good for one thing removing the need for a trusted third party which only works in the context of money. A blockchain cannot enforce anything that exists outside the network while a blockchain would seem to be able to track ownership outside the network. It can only enforce ownership of the currency that is native to its Network Bitcoin tracks ownership and enforces ownership. If a blockchain cannot do both any records, it keeps will be inherently insecure and ultimately subject to change in this sense immutability is is not an inherent trait of a blockchain but instead an emergent property and if a blockchain is not immutable its currency will never be viable as a form of money because transfer and final settlement will never be reliably possible without reliable final settlement a monetary system is not functional and will not attract liquidity. Ultimately monetary systems Converge on one medium because their utility is liquidity rather than consumption or production and liquidity consolidates around the most secure long-term store value. It would be irrational to store wealth in a less secure less liquid monetary network. If a more secure more liquid Network existed as an attainable option. The aggregate implication is that only one block chain is viable and ultimately necessary every other cryptocurrencies competing for the identical use case as Bitcoin that of money some realize it While others do not but value continues to consolidate around Bitcoin because it is the most secure blockchain by orders of magnitude and all are competing for the same use case. Understanding these Concepts is fundamental to bitcoin and it also provides a basic Foundation to then consider and evaluate the noise Beyond Bitcoin with basic knowledge of how Bitcoin actually works. It becomes clear why there is no Block Chain without Bitcoin. There is no blockchain. Often Bitcoins transaction Ledger is thought of as a public blockchain that lives somewhere in the cloud like a digital Public Square where all transactions are aggregated. However, there is no Central source of Truth. There are no oracle's and there is no Central Public block chains, which everyone independently commits transactions instead every participant within the network constructs and maintains its own independent version of the blockchain. Stone a common set of rules. No one trusts anyone and everyone validates everything everyone is able to come to the same version of The truth without having to trust any other party. This is core to how Bitcoin solves the problem of removing third-party intermediaries from a digital Cash System. Every participant running a node within the Bitcoin Network independently verifies every transaction in every block by doing. So each node Aggregates its own independent version of the blockchain consensus is reached across the network because each node validates every transaction and each block based on a core set of rules in the longest chain wins, if a node broadcast a transaction or a block that does not follow the consensus rules. Nodes will reject it as invalid. It is through dysfunction that Bitcoin is able to dispose with the need for a central third party the network converges on the same consistent state of the chain without anyone trusting any other party. However, the currency plays an integral role in coordinating Bitcoins consensus mechanism and ordering locks, which ultimately represents Bitcoins full and valid transaction history. Or it's blockchain. the basics of Bitcoin blocks and Mining think of a block as a data set that links the past to the present technically individual blocks record changes to the overall state of Bitcoin ownership within a given time period in aggregate blocks record the entire history of Bitcoin transactions as well as ownership of all Bitcoin at any point in time only changes to the state are recorded in each passing block. How blocks are constructed solved and validated is critical to the process of network consensus. And it also ensures that Bitcoin maintains a fixed Supply 21 million minors compete to construct and solve blocks that are then proposed to the rest of the network for acceptance to simplify think of the mining function as a continual process of validating history in clearing pending Bitcoin transactions with each block miners. Has add new transaction history to the blockchain invalidate the entire history of the chain. It is through this process that miners secure the network. However, all Network nodes then check the work performed by minors or validity ensuring Network consensus is enforced more technically miners construct blocks that represent data sets which include three critical elements again simplifying One reference to the prior block validating with the entire history of the chain to bitcoin transactions. It clears pending transactions changes to the state of ownership and three coinbase transaction plus fees which is compensation to minors for securing the network. To solve blocks miners perform what is known as a proof of work function by expending energy resources in order for blocks to be valid all inputs must be valid and each block must satisfy the current Network difficulty to satisfy the network difficulty a random value referred to as a nons is added to each block and then the combined data set is run through Bitcoins cryptographic hashing algorithm sha-256. the resulting output or hash must achieve the Network's difficulty in order to be valid think of this as a simple guessing check function, but probabilistically trillions of random values must be guest and checked in order to create a valid proof for each proposed block the addition of a random nonce may seem extraneous, but it is this function that forces minors to expend significant energy resources in order to solve a block which ultimately makes the network more secure by making it extremely costly to attack. Adding a random nonce to a proposed block which is an otherwise static data set causes each resulting output or hash to be unique with each different knots checked the resulting output has an equally small chance of achieving the network difficulty or in other words representing a valid proof while it is often referred to as a highly complicated mathematical problem in reality. It is difficult only because a valid proof requires. Guessing and checking trillions of possible solutions. There are no shortcuts energy must be expended a valid proof is easy to verify by other nodes, but impossible to solve without expending massive amounts of resources as more mining resources are added to the network the network difficulty increases requiring more inputs to be checked and more energy resources to be expended to solve each block. Essentially there is material cost to minors in solving blocks. But all other nodes can then validate the work very easily at practically no cost in aggregate the incentive structure allows the network to reach consensus miners must incur significant upfront cost to secure the network, but are only paid if valid work is produced and the rest of the network can immediately determine Ermine, whether work is valid or not based on consensus rules without incurring costs while there are a number of consensus rules, if any pending transaction in a block is invalid. The entire block is invalid for a transaction to be valid. It must have originated from a previous valid Bitcoin block and it cannot be a duplicate of a previously spent transaction separately each block must build off the momentum. Most up-to-date version of history in order to be valid and it must also include a valid coinbase transaction a coinbase transaction rewards minors with newly issued Bitcoin in return for securing the network, but it is only valid if the work is valid. Coinbase rewards are governed by a predetermined Supply schedule and currently 12.5 new Bitcoin are issued in each valid Block in approximately eight months. The reward will be cut in half to six point two five new Bitcoin and every 210,000 blocks or approximately every four years. The reward will continue to be halved until it ultimately reaches zero if miners include an invalid reward and Proposed block the rest of the network will reject it as invalid which is the base mechanism that governs a capped total supply of 21 million Bitcoins. However, software alone is insufficient to ensure either a fixed Supply or an accurate transaction Ledger economic incentives hold everything together. consensus on a decentralized basis Why is this so important within one integrated function miners validate history clear transactions and get paid for security on a trustless basis. The Integrity of Bitcoins fixed Supply is embedded in its security function. And because the rest of the network independently validates the work consensus can be reached on a decentralized basis. If a minor completes valid work it can why on the fact that it will be paid on a trustless basis conversely. If a minor completes invalid work the rest of the network enforces the rules essentially withholding payment until valid work is completed in supply of the currency is baked into validity. If a minor wants to be paid, it must also enforce the fixed supply of the currency further aligning the entire network, the incentive structure of the currency is so strong that One is forced to adhere to the rules which is the chief facilitator of decentralized consensus. If a minor solves and proposes an invalid block specifically when the either includes invalid transactions or an invalid coinbase reward, the rest of the network will reject it as invalid separately. If a minor builds off a version of history that does not represent the longest chain with the greatest proof of work any proposed block. Would also be considered invalid essentially as soon as a minor sees a new valid block proposed in the network. It must immediately begin to work on top of that block or risk falling behind and Performing invalid work at a sunk cost as a consequence in either scenario. If a minor were to produce invalid work, it would incur real cost but would be compensated nothing in return. Through this mechanism miners are maximally incentivised to produce honest valid work in to work within the consensus of the chain at all times. It is either be paid or receive nothing. It is also why the higher cost to perform the work the more secure the network becomes the more energy required to write or rewrite Bitcoins transaction history the lower the probability that any single Miner could or would undermine the The network the incentive to cooperate increases as it becomes more costly to produce work which would otherwise be considered invalid by the rest of the network as network security increases Bitcoin becomes more valuable as the value of Bitcoin Rises and as the cost to solve blocks increases the incentive to produce valid work increases more Revenue, but more cost and the penalty for invalid work becomes more punitive. No. the new and more cost Why don't miners collude first? They can't second they tried but third the fundamental reason is that as the network grows the network becomes more fragmented and the economic value compensated to minors in aggregate increases from a game theory perspective more competition and greater opportunity cost makes it harder to collude and all Network nodes validate the work performed by minors, which is a constant check and balance. Miners are merely paid to perform a service and the more miners there are the greater the incentive to cooperate because the probability that a minor is penalized for invalid work increases as more competition exists and recall that random nonce value. It seemed extraneous at the time, but it is core to the function that requires energy resources to be expended it is this tangible cost the skin in the game combined with the value of the currency. So which incentivizes valid work in which allows the network to reach consensus? Because all Network nodes independently validate blocks and because miners are maximally penalized for invalid work. The network is able to form a consensus as to the accurate state of the chain without relying on any single source of knowledge or truth. None of this decentralized coordination would be possible without Bitcoin the currency all the Bitcoin network has to compensate minors in return for security is as its native currency whether that is largely in the form of newly issued Bitcoin today or exclusively in the form of transaction fees in the future. If the compensation paid to minors were not reasonably considered to be a reliable form of money the incentive to make the Investments to perform the work would not exist. the role of money in a blockchain All right. Let's take a quick break right here and hit our sponsor. I'll go grab something to drink and we'll jump back in on this section. 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So if you were thinking of starting a show or already have a podcast, there's no better platform out there check out anchor by downloading the app. Or go to Anchor dot f m-- today. the role of money in a blockchain Recall from Bitcoin can't be copied if an assets primary if not, Soul utility is the exchange for other goods and services and if it does not have a claim on the income stream of a productive asset such as a stock or a bond. It must compete as a form of money and will only store value if it possesses credible monetary properties Bitcoin is a bearer asset and it has no utility other than the exchange for other goods or services. It also has no claim on the income stream of a productive asset as such Bitcoin is only valuable as a form of money and it only holds value because it has credible monetary properties read the Bitcoin standard chapter 1 by definition. This is true of any blockchain all any blockchain can offer in return for security is a monetary asset native to the network without any enforceable claims out. Outside the network which is why a blockchain can only be useful in connection to the application of money the chart below from the Bitcoin standard articulates this point. How to decide if you need a Block Chain, do you need digital cash? No, you don't need a blockchain. Yes. Use Bitcoin the only Block Chain that works the blockchain decision chart. Without a native currency a blockchain must rely on trust for security which eliminates the need for a blockchain in the first place in practice the security function of Bitcoin mining which protects the validity of the chain on a trustless basis requires significant upfront capital investment in addition to high marginal cost or energy consumption. In order to recoup that investment and a rate of return in the future the payment in the form of Bitcoin must more than offset. The aggregate cost. Otherwise, the Investments would not be made essentially what the miners are paid to protect Bitcoin must be a reliable form of money in order to incentivize security investments in the first place. This is also fundamental to the incentive structure that aligns the network miners have an embedded incentive to not undermine the network because it would directly undermine the value of the currency in which miners are compensated if Bitcoin were not valued as money, there would be no minors and without minors there would be no chain worth protecting. The validity of the chain is ultimately what miners are paid to protect if the network could not reasonably come to a consensus and if ownership were subject to change no one could reasonably rely on bitcoin as a value transfer mechanism the value of the currency ultimately protects the chain and the immutability of the chain is foundational to the currency having value. It's an inherently self-reinforcing relationship. Immutability is an emergent property. Immutability is an emergent property in De Coyne. Not a trait of a blockchain a global decentralized monetary network with no Central Authority could not function without an immutable Ledger IE. If the history of the blockchain were insecure and subject to change if settlement of the unit of value or Bitcoin could not reliably be considered final no one would reasonably trade. Real world value in return as an example consider a scenario in which one party purchased a car from another in return for Bitcoin assumed the title for the car transfers in the individual that purchased the car takes physical possession. If Bitcoins record of ownership could easily be Rewritten or altered IE changing the history of the blockchain the party that originally transferred the Bitcoin in return for the car wind up in possession of both the Bitcoin and the car while the other Already could end up with neither. This is why immutability and final settlement is critical to Bitcoins function. Remember that Bitcoin has no knowledge of the outside world. All Bitcoin knows how to do is issue invalidate currency whether a Bitcoin is a Bitcoin Bitcoin is not capable of enforcing anything that exists outside the network nor is any blockchain. It is an entirely self-contained system and the Bitcoin Network can only ever validate one side of a two-sided value transfer. If Bitcoin transfers could not reliably be considered final it would be functionally impossible to ever trade anything of value in return for Bitcoin. This is why the immutability of Bitcoins blockchain is inextricably linked to the value of Bitcoin as a currency final settlement in Bitcoin is possible but only because it's Ledger is reliably immutable and it's Ledger is only reliably immutable because its currency C is valuable the more valuable Bitcoin becomes the more security it can afford the greater the security the more reliable and trusted The Ledger. Ultimately immutability is an emergent property but it is dependent on other emergent Network properties as Bitcoin becomes more decentralized. It becomes increasingly difficult to alter the Network's consensus rules and increasingly difficult to invalidate or prevent otherwise valid transactions often referred to as censorship resistance. As Bitcoin proves to be increasingly censorship resistant confidence in the network grows, which fuels adoption which further decentralizes the network including its mining function in essence Bitcoin becomes more decentralized and more censorship resistant as it grows, which reinforces the immutability of its blockchain. It becomes increasingly difficult to change the history of the blockchain because each participant gradually represents a Older and smaller share of the network regardless of how concentrated ownership of the network and Mining may be at any point in time both decentralised over time so long as value increases which causes Bitcoin become more and more the immutable. Bitcoin not blockchain This multi-dimensional incentive structure is complicated but it is critical to understanding how Bitcoin works and why Bitcoin and it's blockchain are dependent on each other. Why each is a tool that relies on the other without one the other is effectively meaningless and this symbiotic relationship only works for money Bitcoin as an economic good is only valuable as a form of money because it has no other utility. This is true of any asset native to a blockchain. The only value Bitcoin can ultimately provide is through present or future exchange and the network is only capable of a single aggregate function validating whether a Bitcoin is a Bitcoin and recording ownership. The Bitcoin network is a closed loop and an entirely independent system. Its only connection to the physical world is through its security and clearing function the blockchain maintains a record of ownership in the currency is used to pay for the security of those records. It is through the function of its currency that the network can afford a level of security to ensure immutability of the blockchain which allows Network participants to more easily and consistently reach Senses without the need for trust in any third parties, the cumulative effect is a decentralized and trustless monetary system with a fixed Supply that is global in reach and accessible on a permissionless basis. every other fiat currency commodity money or cryptocurrency is competing for the exact same use case as Bitcoin whether it is understood or not and monetary systems tend to a single medium because their utility is liquidity rather than consumption or production when evaluating monetary networks, it would be irrational to store value in a smaller less liquid and less secure network if a larger more Liquid and more secure network existed as an attainable option Bitcoin is valuable not because of a particular feature but instead because it achieved finite digital scarcity. This is the backbone of why Bitcoin is secure as a monetary Network and it is a property that is dependent on many other emergent properties. A blockchain on the other hand is simply an invention native to bitcoin that enables the removal of trusted third parties. It serves no other purpose. It is only valuable in Bitcoin as a piece of a larger puzzle and it would be useless if not functioning in concert with the currency the Integrity of Bitcoin scarcity and the immutability of its blockchain are ultimately dependent on the value of the currency itself confidence in the aggregate function Drive. Incremental adoption in liquidity which reinforces and strengthens the value of the Bitcoin Network as a whole as individuals opt into Bitcoin. They are at the same time opting out of inferior monetary networks. This is fundamentally why emergent properties in Bitcoin are next to impossible to replicate and why its monetary properties become stronger over time and with greater scale while also at the directive expense of inferior monetary Networks Quote, I don't believe we shall ever have a good money again before we take the thing out of the hands of government. That is we can't take them violently out of the hands of government. All we can do is buy some Sly roundabout way introduce something that they can't stop end quote fa Hayek. Ultimately, a blockchain is only useful in the application of money because it is dependent on a native currency for security Bitcoin represents the most secure blockchain by orders of magnitude because all other block chains are competing for the same fundamental use case of money and because Bitcoins Network effects only continue to increase its security and liquidity advantage over the field. No other digital currency can compete with Bitcoin. liquidity begets liquidity and monetary systems tend to one medium as a derivative function Bitcoin security and liquidity obsoleted any other cryptocurrencies before they left the proverbial Gates find me a cryptocurrency that comes close to bitcoin relative to security liquidity or The credibility of its monetary properties and I will find you a unicorn The real competition for Bitcoin has and Will Remain the Legacy monetary networks, principally the dollar euro Yen and gold. Think about Bitcoin relative to these Legacy monetary assets as part of your education Bitcoin does not exist in a vacuum. It represents a choice relative to other forms of money evaluate it based on the relative strength of its monetary properties. And once a baseline is established between Bitcoin in the Legacy systems. This will then provide a strong Foundation to more easily evaluate any other blockchain related? Act To learn more I suggest reading the Bitcoin standard by safety namas inventing Bitcoin by Yang pritzker and mastering Bitcoin by Andreas Antonopoulos. Probably in that order. All right, and that will conclude Bitcoin not Block Chain of the gradually then suddenly series by Parker Lewis. And of course available on the Unchained - Capital.com blog this again. I've really been loving this series and this is a great way to illustrate just one of the key points is that you can't use if there's any take away from this article is that you can't use a block. Chained to prove or what's the what's the term you can't secure without a third-party information that is not inherent to the blockchain. The idea is that the data that it can secure has always existed within the rules of the blockchain has always existed within the rules of the network. Therefore you can test it all the way back to when the information was created. But if the if the information itself if the transaction itself is out its external to the network if it's application is not secured by the rules like if it's if it's Relative to whether or not a house exists or whether or not a medical record is accurate. There has to be some other third party making that decision putting it on the blockchain doesn't solve anything because human input is the problem. That's the thing about the immutability of the Bitcoin blockchain is that the origin of all of this stuff? There's never human input into a coinbase transaction or the subsidy or the creation of new Bitcoin or any of the seems there's no subjective anything. It is all within the software of the system. So if you have this distributed payoff mechanism to minors and this elaborate this this easily provable enormous cost to actually going back and editing making changes to that blockchain. Immutability emerges as a property of the enormous cost and a result of the widespread vast Network that is validating whether or not the work is real or not. But it again something I've used so many times in the past on this show is that it's an artificial environment. It is entirely set up within the rules of the software. So if you're not running the Software you are not securing anything. You don't know you're just trusting the other people who are running the software. That's the key value in running a full node. And it's why the monetary properties are essentially just gone. They just don't exist. If you can't validate whether or not it's accurate back to the creation back to the inherent beginnings of every single token every single Bitcoin. In this network, if you can't validate its history, you're not checking whether or not a Bitcoin is a Bitcoin which is the one job that this network does perfectly and it does that with a lot of trade-offs and it's you can't just take that element out of it and think you're left with anything. It's genuinely like a puzzle piece like a puzzle this got 10 pieces and then you take one piece and like in your like look how cool my picture is it's like well, no, you've got one piece of something that's meaningless without all the other pieces. You can't do anything with it's not a puzzle. If you've just got one piece and the puzzle. Is it it without even one if any piece of it is missing. It's no longer the picture. It's no longer the puzzle and it no longer has these is property of immutability and decentralisation he talks about this a lot in Bitcoin can't be copied and I really went into it in the commentary as well is that this is a maturation process these properties emerge over time and the analogy I use that I really like is that you have a set of instructions which can create emergent security emergent immutability and emergent decentralisation, but by themselves mean I'm nothing without the growth and maturity of a network based on them. It's just like having a full copy of the DNA of something that could grow into a human being and a full grown man that can accomplish some sort of productive tasks that you're trying to get this person to do or you have a full-grown person to do a task that you were trying to get them to do. But just because you have the DNA doesn't mean you can perform the You have to there's this huge process of you know maturation and growing in the womb and then surviving as a child and like there's this huge long process with all these risks and all these challenges and years and years of proving that survival is continuous and able to happen in just like that these systems have that same maturation process or a very similar maturation process. And only after years and years of being widespread of being decentralized increasingly and increasing in value and having that feedback loop of its value and its security basically feeding on itself without any of these things. It doesn't provide any of the supposed Properties or any of the immutability or security that like the blockchain itself is just a part of DNA and without the entire maturation process. There's the blockchain is useless. It doesn't mean anything and it's not a real world cost like I can run a blockchain on my computer and it doesn't matter how much work I do. I could perform I could have it set to a difficulty that's multiples of the difficulty of the Bitcoin network, but it still doesn't make it immutable because I've got no network that cares. I've got no network that's checking that it's valid and seeing that. As secure because I'm the only one on the network. It's as centralized as it can be which means that I can essentially Define what the difficulty rules are and I can easily rehash anything under a completely different set of rules. If I wanted there's there's no there's no participation in the security model which means there's no security because the security model is dependent upon the participation and investment of other parties, and I love that he talks about I brings up that. I'm any degree of centralization at any given point in time is largely irrelevant because it is a trend. It's an ever-changing environment and ever-changing Market that is entirely permissionless, which means anybody can join or leave. So any party that has some degree of control only has it temporarily and the trend is what's important as long as the trend is in is always in one step slightly more decentralized. Eyes over time. Well, then you've got something that can be sustained indefinitely. But if your trend is one step more centralized it is inevitably going to be a centralized mess where you have to trust some other institution and it's just a matter of time. Is that are there are you taking 20 steps towards centralization every couple of days. Are you taking half a step towards centralization though just means that. Okay. Well you might have some degree of security for Ten years that is slowly waned and slowly eaten Away by your negative Trend to your Trend in the wrong direction or you know, is it going to take two years before you just have something this run by one institution that nobody is checking the full history of the chain. Nobody cares what the consensus rules are were hard for King left and right like all of those things 100% undermine the security and the monetary properties and when they Dresses so well in this piece is that you cannot it is a digital token. The only thing it can do is be used in exchange no matter what you do with it. No matter whether you call it a soup a utility token or you call it a I don't know whatever the hell you're smart contract platform. It doesn't matter what you call it it the only thing the digital token can do is behave as money whether it's in your network or somebody else's which means that it is competing with Bitcoin as money and the one value the one Critical element of monetary Goods is it is the most liquid good in the economic Network in the economic system liquidity is what makes something a brilliant or highly useful monetary instrument. That's why I like a bump too much people like misunderstand the whole regression theorem and like looking back in history about like all the other things that have been money in the past cattle salt we Eat all of these things, but the reason they were money wasn't because those things are good as money. It's because they inherently became a cuz they had so much utility elsewhere. They inherently became the most liquid good and therefore were used as money used as a medium of exchange and unit of account at some point in time, but it was a Content. It was a consequence of liquidity. It's actually got kind of weak man. Three properties outside of that for something like a wheat in particular salt is probably the best in those couple of examples because obviously cattle die cattle are more valuable at one point during their life than they are at another Point, etc. Etc. And wheat obviously goes bad all of it rots. And that's one of those things that made. commodity money's like like precious metal money so such a profound Innovation over that as they became more liquid in the market and they became adopted in a far more widespread manner is that they never rot like a gold coin from a thousand years ago 2000 years ago is still worth a gold coin like it doesn't it doesn't corrode nothing happens to it and you can always just smelt it down and Make it into a new coin. And you know gold is gold one ounce of gold is always one ounce of gold doesn't matter where you find it or what country it's from or you know, how much how much it was buried versus sitting on the Sun but none of that is true for wheat and none of that is true for cap cattle like like a cow. No one Cal is equal to another Cal exactly. So does this this end up getting misinterpreted at least like by by my estimation and by the understanding that I've seen that has grown quite a bit in the Bitcoin markets and like the Bitcoin education side of things to understand the Austrian Theory and understand how the regression theorem really applies. Is that the reason the retrogression theorem was It's basically showing how something can become money not showing how all monies become so it's showing why us some other vast utility that made it the most liquid good in some economic circles or economic Network then allowed something to become money because the prime the number one element of a good money is that it is the most secure as a highly liquid. Fluid reliable store value as a reliable means of holding and then exchanging again. It is the liquidity of those goods that made them useful for money at those times. But that does that has no implication or a prescriptive Reliance on the fact that that liquidity must happen for some other utility money is a utility in and of itself and a far more secure doesn't rot doesn't degrade can be easily it like unbelievably portable. You can store it in your mind is true pure information. have elaborate instructions written onto it can have contractual large contractual agreements can be used as building blocks to external higher layers of a network including additional payment networks and entire new systems on top of it can be extended like a tree to as many branches and leaves as you possibly want it just Bitcoin is one of the most fascinating and like capable monetary systems that's ever existed and it's absolutely 100% trustless. It is natural and independent in the same way that gold is just in the digital space and that that is not that is not a problem the problem of payments and vast number of transactions is just a simple it's an incremental. Problem on top of a network that maintains and actually achieves the security and the scarcity of a of a reliable incontestable monetary policy. And and that's what Bitcoin provides a trustless independent monetary policy that no one can actually contest it is the law of Bitcoin and it is because one Bitcoin always equals one Bitcoin and because of that elaborate operation and incentive mechanism that emerges and feeds back on itself creates the immutability creates the security and a creates the district the global distribution that keeps this thing the most secure money and ownership Ledger that has ever existed that is 100% final and has no borders. No jurisdictions. Nothing. It is unbelievably profound and I think this piece does a Good job that this piece is actually more of a almost. I would say Thomas an introductory piece really. Maybe the wording is a little bit hard for the supernoobs in the space, but it does a really great job of explaining all the inter-workings of the currency Bitcoin and the network and then the individual participants in that Network who's checking and balancing whether or not information is accurate or Being used to cheat or edit and why there is a real cost to the network. It just just so many of the critical working parts of which blockchain is only one of them and just like a piece of a puzzle. You can't take one piece out and think that you've still got the picture that you originally were trying to get and similar to the whole DNA thing just because you've got the DNA Me of a human doesn't mean you've got someone that can chop down a tree for you. You've just got the instructions of something the if you put an enormous amount of work into it if you let it mature if you let it grow and test it in a living breathing real world environment for years for decades, then maybe it could actually produce or provide that service that you want. But in the meantime, it has to compete with Bitcoin that is already D unlike unquestionably the most liquid already unquestionably the most secure on by orders of magnitude of any other and there is none that could even come close in the Integrity of its monetary policy despite numerous people and years of attempting to change it. No one has been successful in doing so that is proof of its fundamental value and Yeah, this was just a great piece to illustrate all of that. And so we'll close this here. This was this was me not doing commentary how well did that work out? Right? So a thank-you to Parker Lewis and unchain Capital per usual for having such great stuff to read on the show. We're going to be doing this whole series if it wasn't obvious and so get excited for more we talked about whether or not it's a pyramid scheme next. I believe that's the the next one in line and you know, I'll actually Post in the show notes the entire series we have done up until this point of the gradually and suddenly series. I think this isn't like part 6, maybe maybe even part 7, I don't even remember I can't keep up with it. And and so if you want to go back and listen to those other ones, if you have not that'll be in the show notes. That'll be on the crypto economy.com or anchor FM / the crypto economy. Thank you all so much for listening. Don't forget to subscribe to the show don't To follow Parker Lewis and Unchained capital on Twitter those links will be available as well. And in the Twitter post so much more to come I got to get back to it. I got other things to record now. So thank you so much for listening. I love you all. Don't forget to share this out with everybody, you know in the Bitcoin and crypto Kana me space and I will catch you next time until then take it easy guys.

Next up in the Gradually, Then Suddenly series by Parker Lewis and available on the incredible blog over at unchained-capital.com is "Bitcoin, Not Blockchain." There is nothing about blockchain that makes it inherently immutable. Immutability emerges over time as the consequence of economic incentives and a native monetary unit that secures those incentives. It is hard won in the battle of monetary competition, something that cannot be copied or challenged with frivolous features, or arbitrary "utility." Parker breaks it all down in his great article, "Bitcoin, Not Blockchain." Don't forget to check out the Unchained Capital Blog for tons of great written works by Parker and others: https://www.unchained-capital.com/blog/bitcoin-not-blockchain/ Check out all the other great pieces we've covered recently in the Gradually, Then Suddenly series: Gradually, then Suddenly [the series so far] 1 - https://anchor.fm/thecryptoconomy/episodes/CryptoQuikRead_290---Gradually--Then-Suddenly-Parker-Lewis-e55nu4 2 - https://anchor.fm/thecryptoconomy/episodes/CryptoQuikRead_291---Bitcoin-Cant-Be-Copied-Parker-Lewis-e58g11 3 - https://anchor.fm/thecryptoconomy/episodes/CryptoQuikRead_302---Bitcoin-is-Not-Too-Volatile-Parker-Lewis-e6diss 4 - https://anchor.fm/thecryptoconomy/episodes/CryptoQuikRead_306---Bitcoin-Does-Not-Waste-Energy-Parker-Lewis-e7ojph 5 - https://anchor.fm/thecryptoconomy/episodes/CryptoQuikRead_321---Bitcoin-is-Not-Too-Slow-Parker-Lewis-e93sbj 6 - https://anchor.fm/thecryptoconomy/episodes/CryptoQuikRead_324---Bitcoin-Fixes-This-Parker-Lewis-e97cia If you want to support the show and join the Cryptoconomy Telegram crew, become a patron below!

Well, hello there good day. My name is De courcey Williams and this is the uplifting words podcast and I want to thank each and every one of you listening to the sound of my voice today. Welcome to July 2019 has more days behind it than more days coming up. It's crunch time everybody. Have you started chasing after your dreams? Have you started going after your goals yet? It's time to get started. So what I want to talk about today is losing our way. And it seems like the way that the reason that I thought about this is paying attention to all of this. News and social media and it's probably my fault because I kind of pay attention to that stuff a lot because I like to be in the know and when things happen I kind of liked to know about it, but I also use the news in the media to keep up with people that are doing big things big amazing things and I use that as fuel for myself. So when I noticed when I was younger, I noticed there was kind of the switch that happened. Like I can remember one time when I was younger people were kind of they had thicker skin. They people seem tougher. And nowadays. I'm just noticing that we're giving our participation trophies to our kids. We have that that No Child Left Behind that started and I can understand why I was started it was started to be able to give everybody that shot so that there wouldn't be a high level of people succeeding and then you've got people that aren't succeeding in those people that are succeeding are just left behind. But if you notice unfortunately the society that we live in that's kind of how life works out. The people that are successful they totally live a different lifestyle than those of us who are either just mediocre getting by or in complete and total poverty and depression. So what I'm talking about here is more for the parents because everybody talks about the the Millennials and this generation the young kids and they don't know this and they all know that these kids were raised by parents. These kids have their mom and dad's to thank for their inability to deal with certain situations. now in my eyes It starts when our kids are young and the parents don't want their kids to suffer in any way. And of course your parents are going to overcompensate in some areas because when they were kids they remember maybe I'll at feeling or maybe something that they went through that they didn't like and they don't want their children to feel that. So you end up giving in to your kids and you end up allowing them to do things that you are never allowed to do you end up buying them things? And then you say wow, my parents never bought this for me when I was young and then you hear it all the time. And then the next thing you know, you have a spoiled rotten teenager, and now the rest of society has to deal with this person. And of course I get it because I have a daughter. She's now 21 turn it 22 senior in college. She's about to get out and do her own thing. And then I have a son who's 10. So I totally get that. I don't want my son to go through the crap that I went through when I was a kid and then when my daughter was younger, I definitely didn't want her to go through anything rough and harsh. But you got to realize that that is not reality. Like I totally get the Allure of not saying no to your kids you want to give them things especially when you're able to even a lot of times the parents were not really able to we just do it anyway, but this is counter-intuitive to how we develop as human beings. Unfortunately. The only way the we grow is through our struggles and through our failures. The only way that we get better is to lose. Now I also feel that our quick advancements in technology might have jaded essence of this easier Lifestyle the way that everything is set up is that we want it now we want to think about something and then have it in our hands. I mean you think about Amazon offering two-day delivery. Now, they're testing drones to be able to if you order something you can get your delivery within like 40 minutes to an hour. I mean, that's just that's just ridiculous things like this are Messing us up more than its helping us I think. But we can't forget we've got work to do we've got struggles to overcome. Our purposes have to be discovered and the only way for us to do that is through our struggles and through our failures. Now, let me take a quick break introduce some of our partners and I'll be right back. 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Now when social media first came out it was great to be able to reconnect with people to maybe we hadn't seen in a couple of years or people that we don't talk to on a regular basis. It was great to be able to see what that person was up to. I remember Myspace and people had music playing on their sites and their page was right really customized to kind of reflect there. Own ideas and thoughts and personalities and it was great. Now what it's turned into is if somebody buys a lot a they take a picture of it and let everybody else know that they're drinking a coffee. Or it's turned into a place where somebody can share something kind of a milestone in their life. And then you got people trying to tear them down or trolls will we're calling them. So this leads people to believe that everybody else around them is living a much better life than what they're living. What we need to realize though is that people are going through it also, and when you take just that snapshot of somebody's day or that 30-second video you are just taking you're just looking at a glimpse of that person's life. I mean There's no way of knowing what that person is going through for the other 23 hours and 58 minutes of their day. The rest of their day could be complete and utter horrible, but they take that selfie smiling with that Starbucks cup in their hand and make it seem like everything is all right, and then you start to look at your life and you're like, why am I not living like that? I know you've heard me say this before social media is a amazing double-edged. Ward it could be used for good. A lot of times we see it being used for bad. So if you're chasing after your dream, you're going after your goal and you might run into that obstacle and I think a lot of times the first thing that people do is that they consult Facebook or they go on Instagram or whatever social media that they fancy and they'll find somebody that's trying to do something that they're trying to do. And then they get a false sense of the success at that person's having. So whatever obstacle they've run into they might stop and they might give up on that dream and their content to look at other people living there fake dream. Another thing that I really can't stand are like reality shows or like competition shows. A lot of those times you get caught up in looking at other people live their dreams. But you're not doing your part. You're not living your dream like my wife loves love. What's the singing like America's Got Talent or one of those shows and I mean, sometimes I'll watch it with her but a lot of the stories the way that they frame their stories. It's really inspiring and they'll pick the person that's come from the the worst beginning that you can think of they'll pick the person that's gone through Most crap and they'll have this little video lead into this one moment when they get to be on stage in front of whatever judges and they put themselves out there. And they succeed or they fail a lot of times. They don't put the failures out there just a quick note a lot of times. It's the people that get the approval of all the judges or I know on America's Got Talent. It's like the golden buzzer that allows them to go to the final round without having to go through any of the other steps. So it's genius how they do it though, because they play inspirational music and they've got somebody that put Clips together and picture Of the person's family or pictures of like their dog or whatever horrible thing that they've gone through and it's amazing how it's amazing to me how we sit back and we'll watch somebody else live their dream. And we won't go chase after hours. it amazes me how will sit back and work at a job that we can't stand and then we'll get into this whole back and forth in our brains about how we're not able to do XYZ or I'm not brave enough to be able to chase after my dream or I can't do what this person does because I don't have XY and z Tell you something you are lying to yourself. You're allowing yourself to talk yourself out of going after your dream. And I know that every person on this planet has a dream. Every person has something that they want to do some Mark that they want to leave on this planet. But not everybody has the courage to step out and do it. Now a lot of times people say I don't have the money or I don't have the time or I don't have the training when I think for real a lot of people are saying I'm scared of what my parents are going to say, or I'm scared of what my friends or how my friends are going to talk about me. I'm scared that I'm going to be judged. Because if you're not following the status quo, then you're strange. You're you're weird or you don't know what you're doing. Don't be stupid. You have to be reasonable. You have to be you have to be safe. A lot of people that are super successful that you're living up to and I'm now I'm talking about like the Steve Jobs is in the Elon Musk and the the Warren Buffett's I'm talking about those guys when you look at those guys, they took chances. Look at Elon Musk in the story of Tesla Elon Musk. Wanted to build a car something that was never done before. on pure electricity on battery power He was told that you can't operate a car company and not have physical locations where people can come by and test drive your cars and look at Tesla. You really don't have car dealerships of Tesla. You basically go online design your car and you pick it up. Yeah, they've got some sites where you can go look at them and you might be able to test drive but those are really few and far in between. He was told you can't build a car that doesn't operate on gas. Like where would it get its power from I mean, all of these things that he was told he can't do and he ignored them. He took the chance that whole saying of you pay the cost to be the boss. That's what that saying is talking about. So take a look at yourself and really think about Am I living the life that I want to live? And if I'm not what's stopping me? Is it really money? Could you really go take another job that might pay you less? Yes. But it'll free up your time so that you can focus on your little side thing or your side hustle. And then let it be said that living in today's society. You cannot survive today without having a side hustle. You have to do something extra. You have to do you have to do something that fills your heart or that feeds your soul. I mean that's just the way the we live back in the day used to just go get two jobs and just do that until whatever people don't want to live like that anymore. People are realizing man. I got to start taking care of myself. I have to go do this thing. I have to go build this business. I have to go take that chance. And you see a lot of times the people that take the chances are the super successful people. The super successful people aren't the ones that got A's and B's in school. So take inventory of things that you can do. I would highly suggest starting a journal keep a journal of your day to day activities. And yes, that's time consuming. Yeah, that's all that can be a little monotonous but keep a journal of the things that you do and also write down skills and abilities that you possess that you're pretty good at write down stuff that people might comment all the time and say hey, you're pretty good at that or man. You make this look easy. Everybody has stuff like that. All you have to do is find a way to make your living off of it. So don't go to Facebook or Instagram and look at that little snapshot of somebody else's life and think that that's a true representation. The only thing that'll do for you is kind of make you look at your own life and ask yourself. Why do I not live like that? We all have to be okay with what we can do and what we cannot do. Yeah, there are certain things. You can learn you can be training. There are certain habits that you can develop but there are certain things that you just do that. Nobody else can do as well as you do. That can be leading up to what your gift is. The reason that you're on this planet. I mean, it could be something simple like cutting hair or landscaping or being able to code a website and create beautiful websites could be photography. It could be anything that might seem small and unimportant. But anybody listening to this you have your own set of gifts and abilities that you can contribute to society your gifts matter Your Existence matters, your job is to find out what it is that you're good at and don't settle for anything less. All right, so I'm going to wrap it up here. Thank you guys for listening to me drone on. But I'm really passionate about people chasing after their dreams. Now a lot of the stuff I wish was around when I was young and I know you hear it all the time, but we have this entire world at our fingertips with this little device that we all carry in our pain and our hand or in our pocket and a lot of times we're not using it like we should be we're kind of using it like everybody else. So just take a look just take some do some self-evaluation take some inventory of your skills and of your mind. The answers to everything that you were looking for is actually already inside of you. It's just whether you're going to put forth the effort make the sacrifices do the hard work. Because that's what it'll take to realize that. There's no participation trophies in life. That lets get that mindset out of our heads life does not care if you participate. life cares if you make a stand and say I'm not going to live a mediocre life any longer. Thank you guys for joining me. I really appreciate you one more thing. I started a new project. It's called course. He's wine corner and you can visit the site www.questpond.com corner.com. I am sharing my by Joys and my experiences with wine tasting. I mean, I'm all into this thing. And also if you want to learn how to get wine shipped directly to your house. I know wine club. 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Hey afterbuzzers, before we move on to your next topic. We just want to say thanks to our sponsor. Anchor. If you haven't heard about anchor it's the easiest way to make a podcast. Let me explain it's free plus their creation tools that allow you to record and edit your podcast right from your phone or a computer. Also, anchor will distribute your podcast for you. So it could be heard on Spotify Apple podcasts and many more plus you can make money from your podcast with no minimum listenership, and it's everything you need to make a podcast in one place download the free anchor app or go to Anchor. Um to get started presented by AfterBuzz TV and hosted by Hall of Fame Superstar Sean xpac Waltman. This is x hawk One Two Three Sixty and now your host WWE Hall of Fame Superstar Sean. Atok Waltman. Welcome to Xbox One to 360. Feels weird to be back in two weeks ages seems like ages time works differently in here feels weird. Yeah more like really don't know calm mellow. I don't like maybe all those things just I don't know. I feel kind of low energy. Let's get fucking get it going over here. We need your song. The one that you like that really pumps you up. But yeah. No music. It's me. Always puts a smile on my face could always use the mini Humvees. Yeah. Yeah good to be back. Yeah, what's been going on? Well, I've been miss I've been missing the show to be honest. It felt really weird. And when I came in here, the first thing I did was tell Jeff who's behind who's behind the scenes and I was like dude, it's been two weeks. He was like, it's been two weeks and I was like, yes, it's been two weeks. Honestly, that's pretty much what's been going on. Mmm. Did you? Enjoy enjoy the walk the watch along. I agree. I did I really really did. It was so much fun. I had a great time. Thank you for that by the way, and I've just been like posting pictures and I was like, I'm gonna get super annoying on social media if I keep posting the same things over and over but some people like that's I was like, okay, I'll get annoying after a while. So I'm going to take a break and pause and not post so many pictures enjoy to the fullest. Yeah, post everything that you wish to post and if anyone's got a problem with it, you know. Welcome. No, but it was honestly it was like an awesome opportunity like just yeah, you did great everyone die. You did great and you know, I I was I wasn't really concerned but I thought maybe some people wouldn't be happy with me over it and that it's farthest thing from the truth. Don't blame me for anything. I told Paul my a man open it in. Not funny that that's I if I would have been a dick about it, like who booked this fucking shit right or something like that. Like, you know, that's one thing but you know, it's pretty it was a solid. Yeah. It was well reason for sure. Yeah. We're definitely been went viral. I was seeing it everywhere everywhere and I was like, oh man just like the clip it but I think like from a Fan's perspective though. Everyone was just like, okay. Well, you know, you're saying the real thing so you're saying how you really feel? Yeah, that's all. Only what people want to see on something like that is what they're really thinking. Yeah, and so I was I was a little concerned for the you know, everyone producing it, you know, and like yeah room behind the scenes for the watch along like, you know, because I don't know how like if they walk on, you know walking on glass around. I don't know how that works for them. Like, you know, I just I was concerned that maybe they would be you know, So scared that like their show got you know rack subversive can shit on it or have you on put it? Well sure but now they were happy too good. Yeah, at least that's what they maybe they're just telling me that maybe they're really pissed and and they just didn't say anything because I'm political politically connected right around here. I mean I brought eyeballs to it. If nothing else. That's true. Yeah. Hey, so, You guys see that stuff about brat like there is some shit like he was doing a live show over and England. And anyway, so somebody tagged me in a tweet saying like Brett, you know was asked to be the leader of the click. You don't know anything about this I had heard hi and I like well, I was I was tagged in the Tweet like, you know, and I really I shouldn't even a fucking replied to I was like that's not like but it's just like unloaded like, you know kids didn't Kev Nash came time to him and he's like we started having fun with it. And you know even Cabazon. Yeah, Brett told me the fucking Montreal screwjob was a work and I challenged. Yeah. Okay that okay. I know you're talking about now. Okay, and then somebody like somebody says, you know, how This be true and kind of scam says because you're being trolled right and so it gets back to gets back to brat, you know, like all this I go. They said the Montreal screwjob is at work in that you're trolling everybody that Brett strong as he is right now. He's like go to help, you know, Kevin Nash could go to hell or don't blame him if that was what was really sad, right? So what Brett that's not what happened we We were the ones doing the trolling and like so I mean if I know it still might be a sensitive subject, but it's 20 fucking five years later. Now, you know, it's not too soon to make jokes about chair. That's all that was like, but ya know and I love bread. I love you very much and think the world of you and sorry I even replied to that. That's where World though. You apply to something. It could be misconstrued or say something you say it the wrong way and people believe stuff and people believe what they want to believe and you lose you lose so much tone through social media and so much context the so and there might have been another like maybe there was some secret meeting that I was intent on, but the like I just I have a memory of the conversation and maybe like I said, but I would never say Brett was was lying or wrong about are inaccurate because Every night on the road he when he got back to his room. He was talking to a tape recorder and Keep audio Journal of everything. And so there's one thing you can't say is that Brett was wrong about, you know, things like that, right, you know, his interpretation is something might be a different story sure and I don't even know I mean, maybe some other big seek I get said secret fucking click meeting happen, but it wasn't like we were we were just guys that road the car. Together and we decided hey we stick together, you know because really what there was a click before us. Hmm, like sort of it was like Piper Adonis Morocco. I'm missing somebody maybe I think Orton was in honor or something and they kind of you know guys get together they stick together. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, same print just wasn't he wasn't down for like he you know. You know, I don't remember us like saying we're going to control everything and only like work with each other and rap spots, but that was his that was what he took away from that he want to be a part of that sure. It's definitely not the person within that Circle. That's a life. That's how you feel. You're not in with the cool kids. You're like, oh they don't want me and it's just like so here's the thing about like being a leader like so we got he goes I Kevin Nash and Shawn Michaels Paul wasn't there yet. Mmm. You know a big purse big strong personalities Alpha personalities and Ike so I can I can assure you that like it would never have been about hey you be the leader because I'm sure those two guys probably fucking figured they were the lead right if there was one sure it is it was never think we all just kind of we all had an equal vote on whenever we did shit, right, you know. You know, whatever you want to listen to in the in the we caught the hose wagon like so we had just just enough people especially once on her got there. We had just too many people that we would either have to rent two cars or rent like a big 15 passenger like white fucking cargo van or you know, passenger van. Yeah, you know, we call it the hose wagon. It was just what we call it. It could have been any whatever the fuck we were driving. It was those way. Okay, sometimes it was a minivan but more often than not was this big ugly ass white van. We were driving. So yeah. Anyways, where are you saying that what are you guys pick you where this would bring you say that wherever we're we're we're gonna go eat everything. So everything was up for a vote. Yeah, I mean except for like when we healed the hotel rooms, I I would get the rollaway cop right? I mean I wasn't if anyone's getting a rollaway. God was going to be me obviously, right? Right. Yeah, and mr. Perfect used to joke that you could just put put me in one of the fucking villagers. Yeah, that's messed up. And so yeah, he broke wish I wouldn't have responded that to love you very much. There you go. No, yeah. The full clarification of that we play. All right. Fuck. Do you want to jumpstart song? I might have fucked that's all because of my one fucking reply to the fucking tweet. But give them something to talk about during the one-man show. Whatever. Yeah. Yeah, everyone say, you know, whatever. Fuck it. All right through want to jump into it and do it there. Did you want to tell everyone we're doing alright. So today we're going to go go backwards a little bit. And today we're going to talk about Sean's early career in he wa and GW F which is going to be a lot of fun. So we'll kind of dive into that and you know, ask you some questions about all of that and maybe you can you know, really put us into that time perspective and that moment for those of us. Yeah, you know some of the stuff you have for they're like, well, yeah a little bit of that too. You know, you don't get on this is a lot to talk about in this isn't you know an hour show? I think the reason why one of the main portions that I wanted to discuss prior because you know nowadays for guys that you know, they want to make a name for themselves in wrestling. It's so easy with social media to get out there and you know the Indies and all of that they work differently, you know, you can really put yourself out there to promote it. So that was one of the things I wanted to discuss with you, but I don't even want to talk about it was kind of how you know back in your day how you sort of got Self, you know booked on Chef because obviously, you know, social media wasn't a thing. So I was kind of curious as to how that all worked for guys during that time. That working was a big thing back then because okay because the territories were almost pretty much completely dead. So I mean it was a little bit you had Memphis was still a thing, you know, I didn't like, you know gwf, which we'll talk about wasn't really by the time I got There to Dallas we were just doing TVs just making TVs and there were no spot show know how it shows there was a cup there was to our shows for 4gw. Anyways asked me about that when we get to it. So yeah, there was you know, there was you know, the Observer and the torch and shit like that and You know where to mouth Tape Traders all kinds of different things and just like I don't know for me like I immersed myself and the scissors. I mean I didn't have like okay, you know just in case I don't make it in wrestling. I got this we didn't have that right? Not that it's a bad thing to have that on YouTube. So I was just obsessed. When what On this and I mean I lived it and I read it and I learned everything I could about it once I got in wrestling got my foot in the door and then business not just setting the ring out. But, you know being more like an actual part of things, you know, like making things happen like making the Flyers posted refereeing then You know get so this lady fell asleep. She was a huge part of everything. She was just she knew everybody and you know, she was the one that I owe so much to she's the one that talked my lanco and to teaching me. I've talked about her before quite a bit. Actually. She helped a lot of people remember the malenko brothers when I was Just starting XI the great malenko. He was blackballed. I don't know if you know about there's some guys in Black Book. And so that kind of you know, there's residual that kind of Trickles down to your kids, right? Right and but somehow Phyllis Leigh got the malenko brothers booked in all Japan through Lord, James blares. Hmm Phyllis. She was from the Ohio Detroit that that territory like the Detroit territory. Whatever. Hmm. Yeah. She ended up actually becoming a kind of a a bigger thing in MMA actually managing Fighters and she actually in the early UFC. She's the one that got Dan Severn into and she managed Dan Severn and got him into the UFC and pop spent a lot of time on just this part. I just I just don't wear so much here. Anyway, so Phyllis she helped with all this and she kept in contact and networked and knew what was going on everywhere and you know, so that was how I ended up getting trained and the wrestling Shows that I was doing I was getting experience in Florida, but they were on malenko shows with his students. So they might be at the VFW hall or quite often. They would sell a show to fucking used car lot and we'd be wrestling fucking used car lot. You know, right? Remember one time they got about the ring and there was this first time with this ring and then he The ring didn't work and so they put the plywood down on the ground rod. Yeah and guys are taking bumps on the fucking yeah on the ground anyway, so yeah those shows but they weren't really like anything close to a promotion, you know, I mean like a legitimate promotion. And so anyways, there was this guy his name was Wellington Wilkins Junior and I He was like a UWF. Style guy you kind of like Shane would Call Gaucho and I trained with them but we train together and he was in wrestling before me even when I used to watch him. Like I used to go watch him do jobs at the sportatorium get squashed, right? Anyways why I'm all over the place with this fucking story. So he goes ends up moving to Minnesota and of up there. He was kind of a nomad he fucking in lived in Japan he He's got twin twin chill. He's got a set of twins farted like children go in Japan, but he loved you always neighborhood called Willie, but he died. I think he thought it was his duty to to bless the world with his seed all over like the played as kids here kids here. I'll keep kids in Japan shit. Yeah. So anyways, When Willy went to Minnesota, he he's staying with this guy named our his name is Marvin Ruben Marvin, Joel Rubin. He's like a Insider Super Fan type guy like that just he knows that. Um, anyways, I went and lived with him and And Willie in a one-bedroom apartment like yeah, Marvin just you know, Marvin. Yeah, honestly to be honest with everyone like Marvin. I feel like I totally took advantage of Martin like, you know, you can stick your head your people. Yeah, and if they don't themselves you end up just yeah, I feel really shitty about that. Actually. I don't want to be a lot. So I just wanted to mention him in this and he still like on Twitter I see him. Time and he came to Chile when I had a match in Chile. If he years ago, I get off the plane and there's fucking Marvin. It was great to see him. Some people know like that are listening. This will know who I'm talking about just a neat guy really neat guy. But yeah, so that's when I got hooked up with Eddie Sharkey the infamous Eddie Sharkey the notorious Eddie Sharkey, you know, he was the guy who he was. Possible for the Road Warriors, you know all these yeah, Jesse Ventura Bob Backlund and you know, he was a colorful character kind of like actually, you know, they'll do the they're pretty famously known as rub and tugs now. Yes, right. You know what that is? No massage parlors. No, I don't. I don't know what that is. No, no, okay. Like gold right now and I'm like should I know rub and tug? Oh dear lord. I was here when I got home ready probably for the best, you know, this Eddie open the very first one in Minneapolis. It was called the Donnelly and there goes the down at least Bob was called what a legacy. Yeah. Yeah. So and you know, you could he always had a trunk full of fuckin shit that you don't know where it came from. It was always good deals on things in that trunk. Sure. So I'm never have he gave me a wedding present one time. It was like a fucking wank it. Like it thrilled are gonna have to Price Tag are 800 bucks. I might you. Yeah, right. I mean not that it wasn't 800 bucks. I'm just sure no one paid for right exactly. So play Eddie. Yeah, you know, like that was a promotion sort of like there was this it was Eddie and this guy named Ray Webby. Who's no longer. Around who was like he worked with the homeless community and like so like he worked at a homeless shelter and some of the wrestlers would do security at the homeless shelter and we'd have wrestling matches for home, but like wrestle / shelter was like the Wrestlemania pwa every year. Yeah, and it was just it was my first time wrestling guys that weren't from malenko school. So, you know when you're used to rest on guys from your School, they all feel the same and right you've been you know, Russell you you you know talking about yeah, absolutely you get in the ring with somebody that wasn't trained by the same guy that trained you and it's like, huh? Fuck you guys suck right. He doesn't he just feel different terrain different. Yeah, you know, so yeah that was weird and Allah and honestly and Addie so there was a lot of great things about Eddie, but his actual training techniques weren't one of Like you didn't really learn a lot technically hmm. Yeah, these guys weren't technically very good some of like Jerry Lynn and those guys came from Brad dragons Okay. Yeah. Brad was a here's a much more silver medalists a Greco-Roman. He would was favored to get the gold and the 1980 Olympics before they were boycotted for the Greco-Roman heavyweight division. Brad Rankin's all kinds of great guys. He's trained I call New Japan used to send all their Guys to him. Anyways, yeah. So anyways, I think some of the guys came from Brad and they were all bit more technically proficient right Shawn before before you like your room making a name for yourself. Did you have trouble getting booked places based on your side and the way I loved and hold like you talk about Marco stunt. Oh fuck people laughed at me when I first because okay when I first show up. And okay, there was this it was a bar and Northeast Minneapolis area was actually sober friendly but it was called Ropers and it was our home base and it was always packed in a crowd was Lively. They're very appreciative. Was that what was I going with us? Oh, yeah. So what the first time the first time I got the ring I wrestled Ricky rice. And he's really built very well. I mean not huge but fucking built well and I was I was totally pale skinny as fuck. And so everybody laughed like they were all laughing at me as I come to the ring and is so it took like probably about a minute and then they fucking on their feet because I was terrified German suplex. I've wrestled him and then I fucking dope out the ring. No one ever seen any of that gray. Yeah, you know, so it didn't take long, you know, they To me really quick. It was something different. Everyone else was these big jacked up fucking guys, you know that and honestly, I be honest with you. A lot of them had this sense of entitlement that they were from Minnesota and they were jacked up on the fucking gas and that they were going to get a phone call like they were lat like a lot of the guys were fucking scoff and laugh and at me and fucking the whole time they're waiting for the phone to ring and they're still fucking wave Russian director. Did anybody ever not want to sell for you? Did you ever have yeah, what did you do? Did you ever just say like it depends? I can remember and about Roi on this one dipshit. I got manga name names. Well is like a little bit of an older cat and I just fucking let him the fuck up was he didn't me verse? Yeah, they're in there were guys like so not so much in the peed in Minnesota stuff, but you know, Derrick Duke says He was one half of this tag team called top the Top Guns. He's good do too but they want them to just dropped like do job for me. Like you didn't really know. I was I mean little bit but like he's like no. No, I'm not doing it. Like what he was really trying to do is get a bit of a payoff I see and he did and eventually, you know, we are good match and everything was fine. But yeah, so a little bit but not usually not not a not a yeah, usually not really so in global in gwf. Skip young wouldn't do a job for me. And what did you do? I just didn't work. Well, I work with somebody. All right. Yeah, he came in he had talked with me about it. You know, it's his hometown and you know, whatever I get it before we don't work with you then like honestly, I don't like that one with me. Yeah. Well, I feel like even now because we have seen more guys where they don't want to work with somebody and you know, like even later on and I feel that from what I've seen for the most part it always ends up. Working against them because then that person that does work with that person that somebody didn't want to work with them. It ends up paying off while for them, you know, but before we get into gwf, I do want to talk about your match that I came across on YouTube lightning kid vs. Jerry Lynn for the lightweight championship and pwa. I don't know what year that was though. Do you think 90 x 90? Okay 89 90 but one of the things that I noticed right off the bat with this particular match was that it was all from the looks of it. You guys had already been shooting for a long time. This was a bra. This was crazy. The crowd was really into it. You guys had a lot of girls out there with a bring back with a ring bell. You did a dive onto the crowd Jerry Lynn was busted open during this. Yeah, like what I before we get into all that I just want to talk about the the brawl that you guys like start with like just like starting that hot, you know, like it's I feel like sometimes it's rare to see matches start like that that hot Like throwing all those punches like how like we had a real thing going we had an angle like we had a and people were into it and we had local television station that played WCW and like it was a wrestling block, you know what I mean? And in between commercials we would do live segments segments when Mick carts his name was and it was called Saturday night at ringside and that's where we would shoot our angles and I cut Jerry lensherr on TV one time because we are doing a movie. Okay, you know and so then I sold the hair and everyone laughed it was like oh No One's Gonna buy the fucking head every fucking bag sold. How much did they sell 45 bucks apiece? But well, you know, we made a couple hundred bucks back then was like big deal. Oh, yeah, you know like I'm used to people like to rolling their eyes and then you know after the fact I'm gonna fool goes wrong, right? Well you guys did so much in this match. I mean you were seeing German suplexes spinning heel kicks powerbomb commercial. So that's that's why I that's what I was getting at is that we had this to you know, I mean other matches we had we started off sure nor you know dimensional but yeah, yeah, keep going. Well basically we're going to talk about is the fact that you guys were doing so much stuff that okay. So for example when I'm watching this Take away. Let's just say the video quality was was you know what you're seeing what you're seeing today. It was a and the video quality wasn't what it was and watching this match. It basically holds up with what we're seeing in the ring like right now with started, you know with certain guys that restaurant style. So that's basically what I was thinking into where you guys were doing, you know, all these different moves that people were you know, used to seeing and the fans were popping for each and every single one of them. So, you know, you guys were making around you and Jerry Lynn. How did working with Jerry Lynn benefit you? I he was the perfect opponent like that. We could I mean I wouldn't be sitting here talking to you right now. But you fucking for real, you know if it wasn't for him. So yeah, I guess it's I can't I can't. It's all it's all understated. I got no matter how hard I try to you know, fucking explain how important he was to everything for me. Like it's they'll seem like an understatement. Mmm. And that's stuff that you were doing. You know, you weren't really seen in the US during this time. So what were you watching? What were your influences considering the obviously it wasn't like where you could just go on YouTube and find some tape. I was a big-time Japanese tape guy, you know sure oh fuck, you know. And you know, we get these tapes and just kind of like you're saying the the video quality of that one match. You're talking about my wearing the red. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that was before I cut Jerry's hair because those SEC the match the second match Ivy broke his ankle in the match and like we weren't like forever like anyways, whatever important I'm not as organized, right? But yeah, but this was this match yet. He still had the The big like big main. Yeah, before we continue one of the ways we keep all these shows for you free is by our amazing sponsors. And today Spotify is one of our sponsors on Spotify. You can listen to all of your favorite artists and podcasts in one place for free. You don't even need a premium account Spotify is a huge catalogue of podcasts on every topic including the one you're listening to right now on Spotify. You can follow your favorite podcast. So you don't miss an episode premium users can even download episodes to listen to offline wherever they are and you can easily share what you're listening to. All your friends and following on Instagram. You haven't done so already be sure to download the Spotify app and search for AfterBuzz TV on Spotify or browse podcasts in the your library tab. Also, make sure you follow us you never miss an episode of AfterBuzz TV. Where was I so you were we were talking about your influences and you being tapering into Japan? Yeah, so and my training, you know, I was trained how to wrestle and you know train to go wrestle in Japan. Mmm. So so some of it was just that's what I was trained to do it. It yeah, and then the other stuff we just I saw it and I just tried to duplicate what I saw and on some other wasn't right sure, you know, I was doing something's wrong until I got to work with some of the guys that can execute not like to collect some of the loot the great luchadores and I wrestle with and Japan. Well like yeah, we showed me that I was doing certain things wrong. Yeah, like well when you did like top of the Super Juniors and in 93, you know, you've got Eddie as black tiger and that that tournament things like that. He taught me how to base the car. For like a spinning back breaker and people do a lot. You know, I was I was I was feeding it wrong. Alright. So anyways, have you already seen that tiger mask one Dynamite Kid matched this point again prior to that. Yeah. So, you know, obviously, you know, we were talking earlier about your size. So was it important for you to bring a different style into your in-ring skillset, you know given the fact that you maybe had these different challenges that other guys Didn't have was that automatically something you wanted to do like be unique inside the ring so that you can stand out and be different. Yes. And what was really important to me was to bring an extra amount of believability to the shit. I did hmm compared to like all these big big groups that like we're going out there. I mean and not that their stuff look really bad, but my shit look better I yeah, I unlike I wanted you to go. Okay. This guy's a skinny, dude. Like but like he's a fucking buzz saw and it was and I had at that when I was younger like was in those days. I kind of chip on my shoulder. I was in fights a lot, you know. Yeah now I really like I really want fuck everyone know I was a badass. Yeah, but you wanted to bring the edge. I don't want people see you like even though you had this very young. You don't look you can sort of kind of grasp and maybe underneath that. There was a little bit something more were there not many other guys with backgrounds in martial arts at the time or there was there there were a couple here and there but they didn't know how to fucking apply and direction. Who's been? There's pin martial artist, you know, and another lesson for years just in fucking. You know, I figured I'd do it right and like incorporate that I kind of straddle that line between the two. Yeah, and how did like, you know, I mean I don't know. I mean not kill a guy but Laden yeah find that sweet spot where you're not you know, we're guys will still want to work with you. Yeah, that's the in Jerry with the gwf title. Cavett. This guy in the middle is name's Bruce. Kreitzman. He was a referee / photographer and so they brought him to Japan with us. That's awesome. So now how long did you work with pwa until you started working for thing about Bruce? Kreitzman? He was he's the cousin of Gary gesture. I don't know if you know who Gary gesture has but he's like the old and W a promoter and I think he actually does stuff with roh now promotes towns for them. So yeah keeps a lot of people that are listening to this or watching womb. No Gary gesture is look how fucking pale I am. Fucking put me in the beach and it fucking buzzer and start circling. I was going to say yeah, just oh my God, Jerry Lynn. Just fucking brick shit. Yeah, Jerry was you know, if you're strong fucking stronghold was he around there because he was maybe what menotti on got you get older. No, no like late 20s late 2007. This may be right. So then you know, you were also beneficial for him. Obviously. Yeah to be able to go with someone. Unlike that okay. So then we were talking about how long did it take for how long did it take for you to get to gwf after with pwa? How did word when did that transition happen? Well try to remember because there was first like okay Eddie go over I think might have been booking Memphis and I think So there was talk about us going down there. I didn't Jerry ended up going I didn't and I ended up getting like kind of Mary like not married, but you know, so like getting in a relationship and have you know, well, actually she wasn't pregnant yet. But anyways, so, yeah, I didn't go. It was like a year. This is about a year of doing stuff in up in the midwest up there. And then you know that stuff at GW F came about and Wade Keller kind of initiate at that for you. Well, I mean he was just kind of in He talked to everybody, you know, if somebody was doing something like starting something like he was he was in contact with them. And so, you know, a lot of that. I'm not sure a hundred percent. But you know, a lot of my word of mouth would come from from him, right, you know, like huge part. That's another component that I have to give credit to those my exposure and The torch because Wade was you know, he's a Minnesota guy, right? So yeah, it was I mean that was a huge part of everything, you know, because I mean they're by some been some guys and other places just as talented, you know didn't have that fucking then I wake Keller coming to his matches every month, right so, you know, so obviously gwf they had their TV deal with ESPN. Was that the first time you ever Wrestled a TV style and how different was it for you during that time, you know doing your local Indies and then being on TV, I didn't drechsel any different on TV than I did my matches so you didn't feel like you had to do any sort of soft or anything like that. No, I didn't have any I didn't have any producer. I didn't have any one given me time cues. We just went out and did it and then they just fucking chopped it up and fucking You know. Put a edit it put it all together. Hmm. So yeah now not like now now a TV match is way different, right you learn how to do different kinds of matches. Well, one of the things that I also want to say is that your matches they was all action No Rest holds so given, you know that timed we're veterans telling you. Hey, man slow down. Did you get that from them? Yeah. Yeah and and in some instances they were hot Percent correct looking back, you know because you're chasing a reaction with the moves and and it's a legitimate reaction, but it's like, you know when you take your time and you build and you know, there's different kinds of reactions is what I guess. I'm trying to say and you know before they get emotionally invested in you and you have you know, emotional Equity with them. you know, the only thing is the moves for them to react to, you know until it really until they care about you and then like all the in-between stuff and like, you know when you sell and you know, your facial feet, you know, facial expressions and all that like that a lot to it, but we still argue that like you chasing the fucking reaction from Little to move so You know, but I did, you know, I didn't use I never used a rest old like it was always I was always working it, you know, like I like to turn Resto like like it's to transition from one thing to another right, you know, obviously, sometimes you do need a breather in there, but you still got to be working. It's like somebody goes like when way I'm really going off into the Weeds on this sounds good, you know people talk about Like oh, you know stop me so I can rest fuck that. I honestly I'm working harder and in the cell than I am and I'm like I can rest more when if I'm to heal and I'm like on top right then I am if I'm selling because that's like if you sell and right that's a lot of fun like a lot of way. A lot of work. Yeah getting your ass beat ya exhausting. Fuck. What was it like working at the Dallas sportatorium? Because one of the things I noticed was that there was a nice crowd there. I don't know how many but how was that like, it was really because I I grew up watching and when I say grew up it was like only like 6 years earlier is right now. I was so excited. I was so fucking excited and be a you know, even stepping foot in the sportatorium. I don't wrestling it, you know, and I wasn't too shocked when I saw the condition in which the building was in, you know, because the Tampa sportatorium was even worse so, you know, I was all right, what's wrong with it? It's just all those fucking old and her. He was like cemented into the ground like the poster cement in the ground was really hard to go back watch that ring of being this fucking really hard is extremely hot at there as well. Like really fucking hot. Yeah. Well and because everyone I was like that was in the middle of the summer like July, I'm fine. Well, I want when I won the title because I know because like I celebrated my birthday like the next day or something. We all went to Hooters. So you have that you're in there you're working. You have the crowd. It's already hot in general all the works in there. Yeah, I like so I always I believe in emptying the tank no matter how long your matches. I always liked fucking empty it. Hmm. So like no matter what if I was in a five-minute match or a 20-minute match even in a five minute I come back right fucking spat. That's how I believe in doing sure, you know, so yeah, what about the lightning bolt at the side of your head that idea come from? Not me really it was fucking burnt promise, you know fucking Bert prentices. Yes. Bert premise fuck so you didn't like it? No, but you know, you do things like I mean, he was sort of like he sort of had a say so and things hmm, which not for long because I he did some fucked-up shit. Yeah. I'm not going to get into but he was gone. He made something inappropriate comments to somebody. Yeah. Yeah, so no fan of the lightning bowl. No, I actually thought I was like, oh he would be thought of something different. You know, he's to also go as Christopher love never heard of them. I don't know that much about him. Okay, it's actually like like kind of talented guy and quite the Hustler like there's a lot of stories about that guy. Okay. Yeah enough about that and not about two lightning bolts in the side of the head. So it also and UWF you worked again with Jerry Lynn now, obviously you guys are working, you know, you've worked together already in the past, you know him you guys know each other but now you're wrestling on a bigger scale a bigger platform. So what was the differences between that and you know already going into that know each other so well, um, It was you know, like it wasn't like okay. I was in this territory and we were there every day. It was like I went through like three times ever. Mmm. I mean it might not seem like that because you know, we taped fucking five days worth of TV and one day so it might seem like okay he was there. Wherever like no I was there two or three times three times total right? I can they flew me in three times. So, you know and I had two matches with Jerry there the first one I beat him for that the in the finals of the tournament and the second one is when I lost the title to him. And it was in a two out of three Falls December 91. Yeah, like this ridiculous fucking stipulation that we had to beat each other. We can only use are finished. Oh, yeah. I saw that fucking stupid. I was wondering why what legend that prior it's fucking people that have never been in matches before fucking coming up with stipulation. Right? Like how fucking stupid like, how are you supposed to have near-falls? Right and you can only use He can only use the sleeper and I can only use a Tombstone Piledriver. What the fuck? Yeah, when I saw that I was like whoa, why are we still mad? It's everywhere to him is like an hour match. They chopped a lot of that up. Hmm. I did an acai moonsault like incretin. Could they have these fucking town? How stupid is this day? The barricades around the ring are made of wood. They're like wooden banisters like, you know, Like if you were going up the stairs at your house, yeah, they were like, uh, stay away from the Barrister. So I just completely fucking destroy them. I went on one Circle, right exactly. You mentioned that the tournament 24-man tournament but some of those names that were in there but Bagwell who is known and has handsome stranger stranger rape Rob drip Rogers. Yes, Chad's a Chaz head banger. No, that's not that's his Jazz Taylor. Okay. Well, so basically what I wanted to know what that was, you know, you had it feels knowing that, you know, you were wrestling with these guys that would end up becoming stars like kind of like looking. Back at that now. Yeah and Scott Raven, you know Scotty Scotty Flamingo, right? And so I knew Scotty before I was even a wrestler. So it was cool to see him there. Everyone was really cool to me, especially like I don't know. Who's where we where we what was your question. So basically how did it feel like waxing nostalgic right now going back and seeing some of the names that were on there knowing that they eventually became stars. Like how did that feel like knowing that you guys were you know back then you were just doing your thing, you know that sort of thing the evolution of all of that. Yeah. No, I mean, it's cool. Obviously the obvious ones are Bagwell and you know Raven and who else Because Jazz never really didn't oh, right, you know Jerry obviously went on and did roh an ECW. Teri Lynne and then other guys see other guys they weren't there at the same time as me JBL who came to Brad Dragon school and I actually went and used to train with him when he was learning to wrestle that JBL came into Global after I was already gone book a tee and Stevie Ray, you know certain other guys. So yeah. But it was a great place. You know, I mean it gave us all this huge States, so Every day after school kids could come home and turn on fucking gwf and watch me wrestle right? Pretty cool. Yeah. So after your series of matches with Jerry Lynn, where you heading sorry, I like working with Chaz to have a good chemistry with him Mmm Yeah. Well, thank you. Yeah. Okay. Sorry. I was I was kind of going back to my notes, but after these series of matches that you had with Jerry Lynn where you already being noticed by WWF or ew, maybe maybe but you know, I in my mind I didn't picture myself and WWE, why was that they didn't have Junior heavyweights there right more so like, you know WCW and then so should we talk about that when WCW well, yeah because I was that is actually my next question was the fact that they started their own light heavyweight division with Brian pillman as one of the main star and and jushin thunder liger. So I wanted to know if that was kind of basically you were ever considered for that. So I guess you can kind of dive into that then well. so Turner hires this guy his name was Kip fry to run WCW and I was kit prize brought me in and I was it was like I was all but like I was pretty sure like, okay, I went down there. They asked they actually gave me a choice of my fucking you know, opponent. I picked Bob cook who was like came up with he was on malenko guy one of the best like of people like most people never heard of he's one of the best fucking guys. Who are you going to watch some of his matches? He's got one of the best punches of all time. Yeah, there's kit fry night really nice guy. So I go I have my mad to tell me I do all your shit like just get all your shit in so I didn't really try to put as you know, I didn't my match was just getting my shit in right like if you go back there was no I'm not a lot of psychology to it. Got a great reaction from the people at Center Stage. Bob gave me a great match caught me fucking Perfectly, like I think I might have did two different knives. I think I did every fucking thing. I could do right almost everything and so it was like I was I had my hopes up I was like, okay kept fries. He's the boss and it was his idea to bring me in like two days later fucking Kip Kip got fired. Yeah and Bill Watts, they brought Bill lat. Watson hmm and I wasn't Bill Watts his idea and he probably and I talked to him on the phone. He called me in a no lie because they saw my training, you know, you know Bill like guys with you know, legitimate right training and legitimate background. Not that I have a legitimate Sports background, but I was trained properly. Yeah, so Yeah, they he just I'm sure he looked at my fucking tape and what I did in that tryout match is not something like he'd fucking band the top rope number. I don't know if you remember that I heard about that. Yeah, like when he came in he banned guys from coming up the top of you would have thought it was the end of the world the fans everything. All right. Holy shit looking back at it like not that big a deal like guys would have to do it behind the rest backs like that share. But so anyways At that particular moment that I just wasn't like, you know wasn't wasn't built cup of tea probably. Mmm. I'm making assumptions are based on him watching that try out right now later on when bill came into WWF he loved me there because when they hired him we had a we had how shallow Madison Square Garden he came to the show didn't tell anyone he was coming and went and sat in the crowd and you watch all the matches and I was I don't know if I was in The Opening match, but like one of the opening matches in it was myself in and Hunter and it was Hunters very first match ever in the garden and we'd had a few prior to that and anyways, so I could watch really liked me and he figured me in the shit like after that like any way you like. He was a fan of what he saw there. Probably not only sound like trial, right? I tried to say took me a while to get to the point but I managed. All right, so basically, you know, obviously during this time. Oh wait actually going back to that. Do you know if if WCW was inspired by gwf to start the light heavyweight division from no. No. Okay. I was just wondering since I was like someone close at that time but like gwf kind of like so when I dropped the title The Jerry it was because they couldn't afford to bring me any more and they had signed me to to and contract and the contract that a guarantee of $300 a week. Hmm. And that was also what my payoff was when they would fly me in they would pay me $300. Hmm. So even if I didn't go in for the week, I would get my $300. How was that? Look was that a lot or a little bit of money during there was better than nothing. I mean I could you know, it helped me pay. Some bills a little bit and yeah fucking what else was I going to say about that? So but that was the reason why I and and also Billy Dee Doo nobility was Demolition eggs / has also done a superstar. Hmm. He was the Booker from the get-go and then Somehow man, Eddie Gilbert managed to get in there and get that spot and then Bill was gone and that he was he was cool. We really need to be around at ease. I wasn't around him a lot but you know couple of times mmm, and and that was I was cool because you know, Eddie Gilbert it was He was great. Right? He's really creative and you know a reputation for being extremely great and he's great in the ring. Yeah, so but they couldn't afford me Ryan Moore. Yeah. And so that's when I got hooked up with universal in Japan and actually see they couldn't afford me but I hadn't dropped the title yet because my first tour in Japan I had the belt hmm and then what When again Jerry and I would team in Japan we would teach Jarrod came finally Jerry came back. I'm conflating a bunch of shit. Yeah, but anyways before after my WCW tryout and then they didn't hire me. It was kind of a little bit, you know, the the wind was out of my sails a little bit. Mmm and So, you know, I was just trying to plug away. I was going and getting you know booked out on the East Coast like what promoter Dennis Carl ouzo and like the Johner Razzie convention the weekend of Champions. It was called we had John on you remember? Yeah, so that was just kidding - you know getting my name out there and letting people CEO Li Being cared is on the East Coast. He's over here and fucking you know, Wisconsin and Minnesota and you know and then Japan and so yeah, it's cool and then weirdly so I you know about the NWA show that I promoted with Dennis car lose own and Minnesota my wrestled Sabu that not come up on your Google search. Maybe you can tell me more about that. So when I got hooked up with Dennis Carter lose though, he was on W a promoter and wa is not like it is now right. It was just guys that we're just trying to keep it alive and it just to be honest with you. It was kind of sad, you know. But I am kind of like just they loved it so much. They want to keep it alive. So we have this show and I thought was kind of cool be able to use NWA name. And so we promoted the show called the NWA Grand Slam. Had Hawk muscle out Road Warrior Hawk Russell, Terry Funk. And the main event Moss is say Ito in the sky Charlie Norris who worked in WCW vs. Nails. Wow. Yeah Nails in the Ori are doing jumping jacks and everything and again named the hater who came from Brad dragons camp, and he was actually the best man in my wedding. Be banging huh? Funny enough the the name the hater. That was Hawks nickname in high school. Really? Yeah weirdly enough. So anyway, so there's that. There's myself and Sabu Jerry Lynn versus Chris candido Taz versus yeah Taz vs. Red Dragons fucking lethal Larry Cameron versus Tommy Ferrara fuck else am I missing here? Anyways, it was quite the loaded independent shell sure at the time there were like very few shows that stacked independent ones. So and I worked really hard on that. I was a guy that may I was like the person I did all the work on that. Hmm, and I don't know where all the money went because it was a lot of people there, right? So yeah, I was pretty proud of that. But before that so when put them all over the fucking place put all this is yeah with Hawk quit WWE and you know about his tag-team the Hellraisers. Hmm with Kent's case is sake. Do you remember who Ken's yes exactly. Yeah. Well, they were called the Hellraisers. In Japan and they were over huge fucking big they came out to you know, Ozzy song Hellraiser sure. And so they debuted the Hellraisers tag team in that little fucking bar. I was telling you about and for the Minnesota where we had our show Roper. Yeah and this little look fuckin shitty 14 by 14 rang and it was like, I mean it was So but like site master so itõs coming into town for it Brad rankings and shown and so like they were going to have matches and so I was Matchmaker and I book Jerry and I Jerry Lynn and I were the pwa Tag Team Champions by this point. Okay? Yeah, he was done with gwf by this point as well and we have these shitty belts made from weightlifting belt with Jack, you know from a trophy shop like nowadays, you know, you can get a decent Yeah, like that was beautiful. So. I booked US versus bad dragons and masahito and we had a really good match and fucking Masa took my I guess they're fired up on Massa. Lighten them up and another I Traverse it clothesline and fuck man. Just take me out. Oh shit. I asked for it. Nice. Oh Massa brought me to New Japan Super Junior tournament. All right, and then as I'm getting ready to go Further for that I get called to go have my WWF try out. And so all that happened at once. Oh, wow after I was kind of, you know, you kind of think it's Al Hassan and you got to stay the course, you know, you could go WCW. That was my only shot like that, you know like And like some people could get you know. They can let that fucking get to the right people might even say fuck it and throw in the towel, but you can't do it because like as soon as you think you've hit a fucking the end of the road like all the sudden boom, there's your fucking opportunity, right? You know, I mean in life not just wrestling. I mean just haven't you ever been there where just everything sucks and it's like he just think it can't and if boom something great happens, so that's me every other month are a lot. On this horrible, never gonna happen. Yay. Yeah, so I had a lot of decisions to make, you know, go to w or go to New Japan and like maybe go train at the dojo. Hmm. We're going WWF sure. So now obviously we can get one choice. Obviously we can get into your work in Japan and Mexico and separate episodes or we can actually dive in in depth and talk about all this stuff for sure. Yeah, for sure. I think that's a good. Yeah, that's a good point. So yeah, that's pretty much that. Well right on time. Yeah, so all right. Well, all right guys do not forget to subscribe to the channel youtube.com xpac make sure to check us out on social media X-Pac one to 360 show for exclusive clubs and all of the random stuff that we post on there for myself. Do not forget to check me out on youtube.com Denise El Sayed. Oh, I have tons of interviews and cool stuff up there and I'll be working on some more videos and then Instagram and Twitter @ underscore Danny saucedo. There you go. You can find me on ER and Instagram at time Matthews PMA. All right at the real Lex pocket real X Buck on Instagram. Executive producers Maria Menounos, Keven undergaro Sean Waltman and the entire X Pac-12 360 staff. 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Mr. 0:07 Double Agent Bond material at our wedding coming on the jet ski to the chuppah where we got married to mr. I'm locking the passports in my new removal suitcase and I cannot open it one hour before. The flight and we almost missed a flight because you've been fucking vaping like like like a fucking drug addict. Thanks, Lauren. No, that's not that's not the only reason that is that is that is can we talk about that? Every mother has a technical issue because I had put another code and then I call them and I had to do 999 numbers to figure out that it was 0 0 0 in the end, but I think as you've taken unlocking procedure know after a while, but what she Doesn't mention is the fact that we were supposed to leave the house at quarter to 2:00 and we left at 220 so that only left me 20 because I was waiting go with your minutes. So that means we got to the airport. We only have 10 minutes before checking was closed and I needed 20 minutes to unlock the good. Anyways, we made it on the plane. We made it on the plane. This is deep and made it on the plane. Also TVD fans made it on the plane, but you were vaping and I definitely when I storied about it on Instagram, I was like Yay. Like CBD the fuck out of his brain and I've been saying that the combination is 0 0 0 and of course you went and did 999 different combinations to end up doing 0 0 so, you know what? Let me some comments. So you find a remove a suitcase in an airport and you just goes you as you and magically it just opens you never it's a safety. Of course, I did. Anyways, I've been well are you to this one until the last day of our life? So Lauren does that answer your question about how this CB Nora? I love that. She be sent over some more we getting we love them actually the company sending us some more but they graciously offered to send us back some really cool. That's really cool. I don't know if that's any good for me to be on time for traveling. We'll see about our trip tomorrow. Let's see how late you watch more fucking passport. Trust me. You will know if she's late. I will post it all over the world. Nobody watches your stories like yeah. Okay. I have more questions for you. But before that on our first trip to Morocco We went to a hotel that was pretty good. I didn't really share the hotel because there was a glitch with the way that our suspect went with them. We had we had reserved through Expedia and this is not a picture or anything. I don't work with Expedia, but we had reserved like an amazing Villa or Riyadh whatever you call those in that hotel and we didn't get that one the first night the first night we didn't get that one. They put us in another one. That was quite nice, but not the original one that we reserved and then dirty it was dirty and then the They made us change to the original one and also on the arrival we would not greeted. We didn't have anything in the room not no, excuse note. I mean, it was pretty bad. It was pretty bad. But but but luckily tell is magnificent and the locals in the hotel that work there where amazing except for the director was a fucking idiot, but long story short, that's why I never mentioned the name of that hotel long story short the only hotel and my Akash that has Ten peacocks on the grounds and I met best cheese with all of them totally fell in love with them and most of them were males. So if you don't know because I found that I used to call them because they were so beautiful and wearing like those gorgeous dresses the beautiful ones that spread their wings or feathers and look so gorgeous because the mail yeah demelza. Yes. So mainly the mouth kind of like used to open up their feathers and call the females and we See the females coming running and then at breakfast time, they literally would come to us and look at us like you're going to give me some food long story short I decided that I wanted some peacocks. So I want peacocks. So the whole trip was literally no peacock. No sex because I found out you can get those a night. Well, we're gonna get to that witness speak about the fraudulent. You've been promising me some peacocks. But yeah, I told you it'll come with the house. Yeah, so that's that's the new development. But on the first of April I went and I Simulated the purchase of peacock almost died and I sent you the she send me the invoice of a peacock with a peacock photo and honesty I was in the office. So like first of all, I was like far from that and I thought oh my God, she actually bought both spoken and Cleopatra my first reaction in my head was like a poor peacocks are going to fly out of the garden and get hit by a bus. So I felt really bad at the idea of buying peacocks. And so I called her directly going. Nuts to find out that it was actually an April Fool's April Fool's but I'm still very serious about the peacock situation. I was very disappointed that when we arrive to this hotel this time, which was baili Hans are which we absolutely amazing and it's only been open two months amazing Place amazing place. So when we arrived there I had requested the Express Rental of peacocks and that did not happen. No, what kind of a fucking Movie producer are you that you can get peacocks to my hotel grounds in Marrakech? I didn't have the off position and time. So I arrived and they are fucking swans. Like fix one's not even real one the middle ones in like those beautiful ones paw make one's fake bombs to produce beautiful. Yeah. So I really liked was not in on that joke, and I really like didn't I was not amused but Turns out that she'll and I decided to buy possibly or second home in Marrakesh because it's so close to where we live. It's like about two hours and a half flight. Yeah and life is way cheaper there. So that changes everything life is way cheaper there and it changes everything. So we love the place so much and it is so reminiscent of my childhood because my family is from Morocco Morocco that we decided to buy a home there. So the deal was that we We'll get peacocks in our new home that we went to look for on this trip. But of course now she wants more than peacocks. Now I want because that are I guess who's most our fight like a butler for us so far is this is really cool guy that we met in Morocco who was a taxi driver and basically the guy works as a all around Butler. Yeah, like a butler but manager house manager. Dixie on my business should be helped us out. And so we thought okay, we get it hugs we have this offer and then he can hire the best welder houses. We find are you know for the prices that are not expensive at all. I'm really just can't even get an apartment for that in the south of France. But in Morocco, you can get a huge house. You said you can get acres and I was like, oh my God Acres, I need a giraffe. So now she was Jewish. You won't speak English one sheep. Yeah, I would. Yeah, I want sheeps because that What you have in Marrakesh? I think we're gonna go and shoot fruits and vegetables. And absolutely I want a little Protege. Yes, like a vegetable garden like as a matter of fact the hotel we stayed in they had to put a tray on the lunch that was in the passage of the vegetable vegetable garden you have lunch when like in what they call the like a rosary. What is it called? Like this is what it was really like that. So yeah, so that's the update. I will be getting my peacock Spartacus and Cleopatra and there's a rough one. - I have not married. Yeah, thanks question. But the bottom line was that I kept on saying no peacock. No sex, but we've had sex. Yeah, see I told you guys it was a lie. That's true. She pulls out this like ultimatums, but it doesn't work. Everyone knows their we've had sex dick until they can look at your smile on my stories. You look really happy. Why don't you lie, I mean where you know, it's too young. Come on. Well, I'll still young. Don't worry, the big five would be upgraded version. Yes. Alright, so there are some questions about relationships. We always we've spoken I think in the first step is you have about how about how he made me mad people ask again will give a background again for people that you know, just join in and having listened to the First episodes, but I would say if you're catching this episode and you haven't heard I think you were on episode two or three when I started the final three, we're up to 25. Now yeah employees are some questions for you. Okay, Maddie, how what's her name? Maddie fashion says, what was your first impressions about Ingrid is First Impressions about you. Don't lie. Like I say, I will be referring to like the first time I saw you or she just said what was your first impressions first impressions well on the day He met my first impression was like wow. She's a really hot like you like like is this for real? You know, I thought okay. So she has her looks does she have the brain that goes with it? Because for me it was really important that you know, everything went together and I was at the same level my brain. No, I did of course. It's very important. It's important but it was it was important for the future. I still don't think you thought that day. I was the best that day. I just, you know, of course like any Any normal, man, you would think okay. She looks good. She's physically attractive. Let's see, you know, let's see how far that goes and then from that let's see how far the brain tissue level goes, you know, so that was your first impression of those of us in positions that yeah, you you look really hot very looked after and that those those are very nice person pressure nice and you were not too tall because I don't like talking about I'm not very tall people think I'm his long legs, but she's not too tall, which is nice. That's right. I'm so lucky. I have the long legs but not the hike doesn't like tall girls. Lucky me. Somebody asked how did you know Ingrid was the one for you? I think that we've answered that question before but will answer it again teeny pups asked. How did I know why I knew after I knew I knew actually quite fast because we are we did a couple of meals together a week later. I was she was like, you're not only my kids for a while. Well a week later. I'm taking them to the movies. Welcome to the I said we're going to have an affair. Yeah, and you're never gonna meet my kid your very last lesson. We took the kids to the Outdoor Cinema in Monaco and and let's say couple weeks later. The the girls were giving me the keys to to the flat where we were living together before we bought our house. So it was I think the kids made the whole thing go much faster. So yeah, you have to know yeah and from then on I knew that angry was here. So I felt I felt really good about the whole thing because you know, when you live in the south of France, you have to be really careful about who you meet a lot of fake people and work. Yeah. I know but Hugh is a really bad. He was really bad. So anyway, we got really lucky. Yeah, you got so lucky. That's for sure. Excuse me. This good me rephrase that see I'm saying we got so lucky so I'm being nice, but you know, you got so lucky like knows how lucky I am. I'm like II make those cheesy posts about selfish my God. Are you are you like complaining? Yeah. Okay complaints My Moment. No sex. It's okay. Well, yeah it so Patricia few to asked. How did you meet Ingrid? I think we've told that story before we marry Monaco many Monaco on a beautiful afternoon. I was actually I was one day from shooting and in Monaco with as you make movies, yes movies and commercials like you're like shooting Yeah, no, I do. I do Production Service in south of France, which is fun. And yeah, we met I was always drawing around the mall in Monaco and we got like smothered each other and approach and exchanged a couple of words gave each other's number and met the next day for coffee and it all started from there. Yeah, I did. Somebody asked if I think it's an amazing question for this podcast and I can't wait to hear your answer now. It's not bad stronger touchy one says do you guys care about things like scars and stretch marks, you know women we really obsess about this stuff like having scars on our bodies and having stretch marks you guys care about that. Honestly, honestly, it's it's a it's a very difficult question, but I would say no like the first the first attraction if there is a force of attraction, what'd you find out after doesn't bother I've been around speaking for me. It doesn't bother me. I mean once once I'm attracted to the person if I find that things out, you know, of course it when you had sex you see the person's full body and you discovers sky This or that you know if show if she already attracted to the person in your mind and physically, I don't think it should it's not something that bothers me personally. That's okay because I can say it does that's a pretty good answer. I'm pretty good. It's an honest answer. It's a very honest answer. We you know obsess over that stuff like I will drive you crazy if I find a new stretch mark like, oh my God, and then you actually don't even see it most of the time like I what's yeah, you guys want to hear A joke she finds herself at she wakes up in the morning. She was uh, look I'm fat. I'm gonna what they were like your lobe or your nose or or behind your hair like what the fuck? No, but seriously, I do not find myself. So sometimes she finds things and she's like you say, okay. She's a woman it's normal Perfection blah blah blah, but seriously, I mean no. No, I don't find myself a time where sometimes with buddy, but if we have a really crazy weekend drinking and Drinking and eating. Yeah, I'll be like, okay, I need to like get back on track here. But you know, I really fast but you do that. Yeah, I go back to the method living, you know, there is fasting there is a there is a limit to what can be said, of course, you know, it's like the same when people I just posted pictures on Instagram and people were like, wow your body is goals what an amazing picture and it is I know it's a good picture because I will only post it. If it's a good picture what people don't know is that you take like 4537 picture. No, sorry 40,500 searches for me to like one and I you know, and I think it's nice to mention and I will mention it to a few people and say you don't understand we did like 5632 takes a bonus. We are tough on ourselves and you can't overdo it. I don't think I'm fat absolutely not you know, I know I have small arms and I know I have very very thin legs. But yeah. I have my area of concern when it comes to my body when I gain weight, I always talk about it. I gained it. Where do you would say the love handles are and if you know I go really like crazy with food over a long weekend. Yeah, but you don't do that too much. No, I don't do that at all anymore since annually and I tend to just sometimes you go overboard. You're like, oh my God. Look at this one. Look at that and I'm like, come on. Give me a break. That's nothing. I'm a woman when I say it's normal it shows but when you say You say it so I will tell you look hot. So what that tells not that I tell you I do you because that that's that's what is I go? I don't look good today. I'm like your head. Do you and you love to hear that? It's that's how you say it. No, not at all. No when I say isn't that my answer most insurance over the Snow White but that is not why I say it. Yeah, so somebody said what how to balance out chasing goals and making time for relationships. I want to say it's a natural thing or forming. It should be found out. It's not planned out. I mean, you know, we're lucky that we both have jobs. We both don't have a 9 to 5 job Ingrid does what she does. I can be full-on for a week or two. Then. I've got a couple of days off and I'm you know, go to the office kind of whatever I want unless I'm on a job that I'm doing 20 hour days, but really we always find time for ourselves, you know, and It's really important and it's not it's not difficult because also of the job that we have and and it's never it's never boring or anything because we because we do so many different things that when we have time together, it's really well spent but we make priority to spend time together before we spend time with others when we fall on working together. Usually, we really go with intuition when we don't like I said, that's pretty much how that happens. And I think you know, that's that's the way to go about it. I really don't think you need to batch time for relationship know as much as I batch time for work. I don't want to batch time for my relationship. I wanted to be intuitive and natural socialite. Simone says, I'm coming to Monaco and if you X I happen to know Simone actually we speak all the time. She's gorgeous any single guys for me kisses from NYC. Exactly. Yeah, it's really tricky It's tricky because we had a hard time finding each other in Monaco Monaco is not the place to fall in love it is so I mean you can be lucky but it's but it's a hard. It's very tricky Monica's are very tricky place because because a lot of people first of all don't live in Monaco so they come for the weekend or they come for business they come in and out some of them come for the weekend, but they actually have a girlfriend back home, but they don't automatically tell you. That's true and it'll good. You have a lot of good-looking guys. But what is your backstory was for you to find out and take the risk, but it's really hard. Even sometimes we think that we know people and we find out that we actually don't mind was very shiny. It's in the dating sense because I they are other aspects that I love. I love the security. I love the government. I love the part of the like the way that it's the policies. I love, you know, the police like everything that's That has to do with the kids safety or having a business in Monaco. All of that is amazing, but when it comes to dating or friendships, I find that everything is shiny, but very Hollow on the inside and also one advice if you're coming to Monaco, I don't know if you're going by yourself or with a girlfriend or whatever. You have to be careful because Monaco I think we've spoken about it before is the the lot of luxurious hookers in Monaco. So any girl it doesn't matter where she comes from any girl that looks nice at dresses nice. With the girlfriend just you have fun. She might be mistaken for somebody else. It's so time. Unfortunately, nobody knows that when they go to Monaco except those girls that are actually working but you just have to be careful with that because you know guys will come up to you with something in the back of the heads. That might not be at all on the same level of what you expecting. Yeah. And so you just have to be careful with that. Yeah, it's true. That's that's good advice. That being said that being said the night scene is really fun than I've seen is fun. But are you again? Yeah. Yeah. It should be careful. Sure Lon then I would say to definitely go around like bull you and moving from Sam and Cat for real I go to the Grand Hotel du cap where we had the retreat you can go tanning there. You'll meet nice people, you know, like or go to the beach club in Monaco like yeah, good good. We be sure to Monaco go to like maybe keep your knees. Nice having such cafes great, but such Cafe the scene. Is that me know if you see any girl at the bar a couple you're going to be harassed all know. For sure same as like Buddha Bar same thing vertebra is for me too. Somebody asked what is the biggest challenge or reward of marriage Challenge and reward of marriage? Watch what you're going to say? Of marriage, actually, I wouldn't say just marriage I would just say the biggest challenge reward of perfect of a happy relationship is just happiness is just full-on synchronization between two human beings on every level. I mean good and I we it's not we were we were as happy before we got married as we are now today, we're married we were engaged or I mean even even just dating it was it was the same. The marriage marriage we did it for us to be a family to unite ourselves because I liked your last name as my stage name. Yeah also to know, you know for me to be able to commute for me to be able to adopt the children. There was all those reasons but it is it didn't make us more happy or less happy. It's as long as you're happy and you have everything that you need in a couple the rewarded that's the reward is is just to be happy I think for me the reward Of marriage and like being with you has been the fact that it's not something I need to be thriving a looking for anabolic. I have it. I have that significant other that completes me that allows me to also be myself individually like I can exist separately from you like a relationship doesn't Define me, but I know that at the end of the day I have that backbone for me, but you still have it even if you were reading for Mary. Yeah. Yeah. No, I think but that I think that you know, that's that's what this person was asking. Like what is the reward of marriage? What's the challenge you think challenge? Well, John, there's only a challenge if there is a challenge but honestly challenge if you don't find me fucking peacock. Yeah, those are challenged but honestly, I mean our challenges are very very minimal in comparison to what they could be. No, I mean the challenge the challenge is just like I said, it's to be happy to trust each other to be honest. And I think if you have all that naturally then then relationship is not there's no Challenge there's only challenge for people that are complicated the the challenges for people that play games. We were a direct and honest with each other from day one and and I think that through all the challenges away for me. The biggest challenge in our marriage has been people people that we're in your life that were not compatible with us who didn't necessarily want to see you happy the way that you've become true, you know people that you were very generous with before you were married. Then became less generous because oh gosh. Now you have a family aside, you know, yeah and from your side also like they did these just friends that needed to get the fuck out of our lives. So for back in a place that was the challenge of our you know of our marriage now we found balance and we have but between together there was no challenge. No. No, but that's around us. Yeah, I mean around us people are jealous, you know in America people love if you're happy if you're doing well. Well, they push you they're happy for you. And it's amazing. I'm French. I was born in France and trust me and the south of France is even worse for that. Don't we score you when you're happy when you doing? Well, they're jealous. They put you down. They try they try by every way to put you down. You know, they can call your wife they can they can call your best friend and say oh this and that like the badmouth you so badly just because you're doing well. So that's also a challenge as a couple. I love the next question, Brittany Bethenny. Sorry Bethany. Taylor says his story of his road to success and tips his learned along the way and I think that's a perfect question for you because you know, I'm going to brag and it's not a humble brag at all. You are brilliant and you've had an amazing career in cinema. You've been first assistant for Woody Allen on to movie. Is you've been a first assistant on Inception on Iron Man? I mean on the bunch of Incredible movies you had an amazing career, you've traveled all over the world before you decided to settle down in the south of France and open a production company. That's equally successful. I'm very proud of you. We spoke about your career in the first episode, but I do think that you know, if you can give some tips and speak about your road to success how it was not all as easy as it. It looks and still isn't ya know? I mean the the the the film industry is a very particular industry. It's nothing. I mean every industry has its goods and it's bad. It's very difficult to get in at first you you know, you usually unless you're a writer and you become a lighter you become a director because you have it in you you started, you know all the way at the bottom as a trainee either on the production side. And then you go into the location Department. You're going to this the assistant assistant directors Department, which is what I did. Yeah, you can't have an ego. You had no ready to do 18-hour days get paid nothing and not work all the time. And that was the hardest part was for the first let's say eight years. It was very inconsistent work. I could I could do a great job of keeping a movie for a month and a half and then I'll work for like four months and then your parents are like are you sure that's what you want to do because it doesn't seem to be working well. For you, so that was an extra pressure. I was getting from my family, but I was I have the passion for it. So I continued I made it work and luckily after 10 years eight. Ten years work started picking up pretty well at turn first assistant director with and that thank you to a lot of people that helped me out through along the way you got an achievement award Achievement Award from the Directors Guild of America for the Woody Allen film Midnight in Paris for the assistant directors or tea. With my second ad and my 38 years. So that was that was really fun. I don't wiggle or women who are women yet Delphine and over and I love the fact that you actually hire women and that's for another podcast. I want to bring over Iran. Yeah one day because I think it's amazing that as a boss. You've given I think two women in this business, which is very a shark's business. Well, I think it's important to give a chance to to everybody women as you know for me, there is no Bad like more like she should have more guys or girls on the team. I mean, I did a I did a film called with Ashton Kutcher. It was called Killers Killers. Yeah, and I had five girls on Moses and do a Katherine Heigl. Yeah, exactly. And actually catch you. I had five girls through all my set my assistants only had a girls team and it worked out perfectly. I mean you no gills are just as equally sure. It's just so I know a lot of these women That's an incredible trait that you have and that will you know that will go right into the next question. I'm very good with segue now like it became a podcast like such an incredible podcaster Michael from dear media. Are you listening? I became an incredible podcaster listen to this segue. So you've given their chances to so many women in the industry, which is a mainly immense industry to start with all who was your second assistant for a long time became a first assistant. Recently actually on one of the series that she did remember. Yeah, and I want to bring her on because I think it's incredible in this world where men very often are very threatened by women success and you don't have that you have a sensitivity to women you find that they have smarts that sometimes you don't find a man and also they have less ego guys have a lot of ego. I mean I found when I was doing cash Things to get us who got a second assistant director on a movie guys come with like with a huge resume and there was so sure that of themselves and I thought I'm not going to deal with this guy for like three months is no there's no way I'm going to deal with this guy for three months and I would just like to say, I'm sorry, but I'm not going to work with you and the guy would be like, but hold on. Do you know who I am? I have you seen my resume I said, yeah, but humanly, you're not the person for me. Yeah you working on eventually naturally, and I don't know anything from you. True. It was more about a human feeling because these are people you're going to share a story and like you become a family for a couple of months and it's important you get humanly along with on all levels because you spend a lot of time with those people you're doing 16 17 18 hour days for like a couple of months. And if you don't if you don't get along you're not having a good time and this job this film industry. It's about passion. It's about loving what you do. It's about waking up in the morning nothing. Oh shit. I'm going to work. I would have not been to work for 27 years. I've been doing something that I love to do. Don't you talk so much. You should like Vape a little bit on your side. Okay. I move a penis now. I love what you have to say. But you've given a big chance to a lot of women in the industry all that to segue into the fact that someone asked when Ingrid has a new business or product idea. Do you helped her launch and execute? And yes, yes. Yes, and no but yes, I know because Ingrid knows how to do everything and I have to say she has she's actually a one-man band and she does do everything but I love to help you out as much as I can with what I can but she doesn't always ask for help. But if I can be there for her I am there for her, but if I can if I can help her in any way I try but I have to say she doesn't always barely need any help. No. No, you're you're you're definitely You're definitely I give you the energy to yeah, you're the supportive husband. You're never threatened by My Success. So the fact that I would do something that you know, you are because I come up with ideas and I execute them and sometimes I come to and I'm like, okay, this is done this product just launched and you're like what? Can you like? Stop launching products? Like can we like go on vacation? Like no, it's more about like we're going to have to buy another house just for her to like put all the products in. Well, actually we have a warehouse for that. So So, you know, let's get another house. That's Warehouse because you have it next door. But no you support me a lot. You're not threatened by the success. You're amazing. And yeah, look you came to Marrakesh. You worked a deal with me. You made sure that everything went smoothly. I don't deal with banks. I hate Banks. I hate numbers. I'm not a fucking accountant. So you do all of that, but you're good at numbers. Anyway. Yeah, I'm Jewish. I'm good when it comes to money and making sure that this Loss or anything like that, but other than that you your I find that you help me execute a lot more than you think probably definitely probably anything you want to add in your defense. No, I don't have to defend myself. I were with him pretty good. So just so it's official no peacock. No sex. No, you have no love. I think it's a longer shot besides. I'm always thinking about the transportation of the giraffe. Remember the movie The Hangover / so that's the first thing I thought about but there's no tunnel. There are no bridges that he Bridges bridges so it should be all right. I have one last question before you go your son. Dylan Delamar. Yeah asked a question for you. Oh any tips on getting the ladies that would be that don't take the whole podcast. You'll have to go see your son asked any tips. Yeah. Be be yourself. Don't try to impress don't be you know, the thing is the thing is my tips are from to say my time and input and unfortunately Time Has Changed. Yeah, because any 80s when I was maybe a late 80s when I was like around 20, it was a lot easier to flirt. You would call on the home line. You would like meet at a place. You would really meet. You will talk. You know, people won't be on their phones. They wouldn't have the apps to like me people. It won't be like a supermarket. It was it was more. It was more human way of meeting today, unfortunately because of all the temptation all the applications of phone this the websites, etc. Etc. Everything has been like cross. It's really it's really tough today. I petty petty teenagers and even adults Today because it's very difficult relationship to meet somebody and yeah in this Instagram and Instagram, I mean every website has become a dating site, it's not it doesn't have to be called dating site anymore Facebook Instagram LinkedIn. I mean seriously LinkedIn people go on LinkedIn is supposed to be like a job thing. Hey, what are you doing today? I have a company. What are you doing today? I want to hire you Yahweh. Okay. No, thanks. This is my fake company. So it's like it's really You know, it's tough. So giving tips today. Yeah, just be yourself. Be real don't lie because people always find out lying, you know, so many people give like fake photos of themselves, etc. Etc. When they meet come on the guys going to meet you eventually you speak for six months on a dating site on a on Snapchat or whatever and then eventually you meet and when you meet well, there's a real person. You can hide this also stop lying about yourself. Stop lying about who you are how much money you make for a car you have don't go don't go on rent. Lamborghini for the weekend and then bring the girl back in her 20 square meters Studio because that's not going to work. So any tips be yourself be cool. Don't brag don't be too heavy and have a 22 centimeter size penis. Yeah that helps also. Oh my God. Size Matters, of course size and endurance. Okay, what makes man happy will the wants to know she's asking you Ah, that's cute. Yeah, I guess maybe we'll well, I guess that answers I guess that answers it all thank you, baby for joining me on this podcast was really fun. I know you have to go but that was a good podcast was. Why do I enjoy busting his chops? 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Hey Kim, at listeners before we start the show. We just wanted to let you know that sampler and all the shows in the gimlet media family are now available on Google Play music Google Play music lets you stream music and podcasts online or directly through the app on all Android devices. So for all you Android users streaming subscribing and discovering new podcasts. Just got a lot easier check out Google Play Music and subscribe to sampler startup reply allAnd surprisingly awesome. Okay PSA over at start the show. Hi, I'm Brittany loose and welcome to sampler the show where we play you handpick moments from podcasts that you just have to hear. So today's show is pretty exciting. We have on Kid Fury and crisil host of the podcast the read so on the read every single week kif. You're in crisil just go through basically the gutter of pop culture and celebrity news and just make fun of famous people and About music and talk a lot about Beyonce the show is really funny. And it's also I think a little bit on the profane side. So if you have any children around I think now would be a good time to kick them out of the room or put on some earbuds. But this episode is going to be really special treat because you actually rarely hear the two of them together get varying Crystal outside of their show. So I feel really honored that they were able to come in to the game what Studios and sit down with me. So I'm playing a special podcast playlist today for the people who actually first inspired me to get into podcasting. Okay. Wow. Yes. That's Hugh Kid Fury and Crystal the hosts of the are you talking about I'm talking about y'all. I was like, oh this must be a really great show. It was like this is your life and the door opens up and people walked in and he's like some gorilla important show. No, it's y'all. Okay. Well, thanks very kind. So some of the things I love about you. Show is like you guys have all of these different commingling aspects like one of the big things that you guys talk about is celebrity gossip. So really quickly for listeners who may not be familiar with the read. We have a little clip of that particular aspect of your show. The Kardashians are total white trash and I've been saying this for like a decade and finally people are starting to see it because who does this your brother is now fucking with your can we just do Ooh that sisters ex best friends. I want to start there the mother of your teenage sisters boyfriends baby rocker - is must be dating Blac Chyna who had a baby with tiger who I think just broke up with Kylie Jenner. I don't know whatever either way what is utter garbage? And I am living for it. You guys also have the reads at the end of the show where you basically read a situation that you can it be said that you The situation that you're displeased with. Yes. Yes, if you want to explain colloquy. What I guess what I read is is just like it's a takedown. It's like just picking off every single thing that is not working or is like abhorrent about what somebody's doing and most fashion. Yes. Yes because it's literally be like you saying? Oh, it's so wonderful April day and I be like, it's mad girl like that. Sorry, too. Exactly exactly in the context of you guys to show you guys like, you know, you have these you have like a longer ring. Aunt yeah, but you guys are also politically and socially aware so you have this week in Black Excellence the top of the show which is a beautiful counteraction to everything else in the show where you pick usually a young person who's just doing something positive and doing something exceptional. Well, that's something that I did because we were always talking about black celebrities sniffing Coke and saying something stupid on social media or you know, horrible black relationships. Why black boyfriend's ain't shit Yeah, you know then we would read white people over mistreating black people. So it was just like there's no positive part of yeah, so let's talk about some really sickening super smart super talented black people and then we'll talk about the rest of that bullshit. So at least somebody can mention some good black Behavior or activity or topic is something nice, please it reminds me of like when I was a kid, I was in fourth grade we had to do. Do like current events or something like that you had to do like one a month or something and I used to always get mine from Jet Magazine together. Yeah, I used to only want to when I was a child get them from Japan from Jet magazine. And like one of the things I liked is that they had a list in the back of like when a black person was going to be on TV that yeah, and it was just like it was like something was like a signal boost and that's kind of how I feel about the this week in Black Excellence. You know that when you start the show, you're going to hear something that like a by person is doing that. Really exciting and fun one of my other favorite things about your show was that you guys have a segment where you guys answer listener letters. Oh boy, the thing I liked a lot about your listener letters is that they start off being about one thing and then they end up someplace else altogether and the first clip that I'm going to play for. You guys reminds me of exactly that it's from a Canadian podcast called the Crimson wave. The show is actually all about periods a crimson. In way the Crimson Way, I love it. Yes stood by just bully you and Natalie Norman and in this particular episode, they're interviewing a comedian named Ashley Muffet. So Jess and Natalie ask Ashley about her first period and Ashley shares this story from her middle school years. Oh God, I automatically feel so bad for her because I have been this girl. So I was in the sixth grade. And my friends after school, we went to Valley Park Community Center, which is in Hamilton where I grew up and we were all going to go swimming all my friends were there and I was wearing a yellow neon bathing suit and I was gonna get up front. This is weird because I think I've told you guys this yeah, I'll I don't know. I don't know them don't think so too and I go up to the diving board got a job to do gonna do a front flip. Really good at front flips. My family had a trampoline when I grew up. We are very affluent. Anyway, very privileged. Very good at front flips done in my whole life. So I'm ready to do this. And then I do my front flip in midair halfway through Peters your ray, who was my crush at the time yells out. Ashley shit her bathing suit Ashley shit her bathing suit and I was so horrified. So I just sank down to the bottom of the pool and I never came back up. I'm dead. Now. I'm not at this is we're doing this podcast podcast. I think the grave from the grave pans when I came back up. Okay, and then my friend Irene bless her swim over. And she was like, oh my God. No, I came out. Everyone's like laughing at me like, oh you shit your bathing suit. I just shit her bathing suit and I was so horrified Irene swims over and she's like Ashley. Do you have your period And I was like, yes. Yes, I do. Okay, I didn't okay, I shit my bathing Sil to the point to the point where you can see it through my My bathing suit, I don't know. I was really going for the fun Club. So I really went for it and I guess the force of it just so he Shimmer getting suit, but then I was like, yeah, you guys are assholes. I have my periods screw you guys and then everyone from that point on thought I had my period And I lied about it for two years. I didn't get my period until two years later and everyone thought that I had my period it was just me and Green eyes school who had our period but I didn't actually have my period and she would like, oh actually wanna can you lend me a tampon and I didn't forget know so I'm like, oh sorry girl. No, I'm wearing all three of mine story as I didn't know. Whoo. Oh my God. Sorry. You reminded me that it's Canadian real sorry, but that got me. Wow. What a mess. That's hilarious. That did not go where I thought it was a good. Yay, there's so mean the fact that she kept the LIE of for two years ago. I got me like some point where her friend is like asking her for tampons. And so I'm just gonna happen. How does this bitch never have tampons? We're the only two people with up here The Jig would have been up. Oh my God, you shit your pants, didn't you fucking liar? Amazing. I feel like that's the fear when you first get your period you're in middle school is you're just like everyone's gonna see it. Well, I'm not sure it's not it's just not as bad as shitting your pants. Yeah, both seem pretty horrifying right? Neither one is something you would like. Which would you choose over the other? No not desired outcome really bad, but there's just something about being a young girl and just getting used to your period and all that and the embarrassment of being in a swimming pool. But even at that age, I think You know having your period is less embarrassing than shitting. Yeah, uh, I see why she loved for so long. I do not see why she kept it up amazing. I just can't really so nice is good to acknowledge when you can't relate, you know, I do it all the time and from a lot of men including myself. I am mature in many ways. I think this is a soon as the topic period comes up. I'm just like and it's not that there's anything wrong with it. It's just I can't Imagine having to go through that first your whole life just like the majority of your life every month. Yeah God, it's really corny and now it just sounds like this whole cross is just have to bear because this is just who God made you and then on top of that man are horrible to you too. Just like somebody like you just have to die. I have to bleed anyway, so you will too that's how I'm looking at it. But again, this is have anything to do with me. Yeah, that was an election that I was not I did. In even know I didn't even know I was going to get it. So I appreciate that. So I want to keep moving in the direction of the surprise element another clip that follows that same line of thinking sort of like you think one things happening and then something else happens. Okay comes from a comedy podcast not a period podcast. So if you're going to be all right, I'm fine. Okay. Okay. I just don't want you to be stressed. I was worried. The next clip comes from a comedy podcast called Doug Loves movies. So it's hosted by Doug. And and he talks about movies with his friends and other comedians in front of a live audience. So his guests in this clip our actor Ben Schwartz. You might know him as Aziz ansari's best friend jean-ralphio on the sitcom Parks and Recreation and actress Noel Wells who actually played Aziz ansari's girlfriend in his Netflix show master of none. So they're all talking about the movie room, which is about a woman who is kidnapped and held in captivity for years, but the In takes an unexpected turn when one of the guests decides to share a shocking story. Oh Lord. Okay, but the first voice you're going to hear in the clip is Doug's what was the last movie you saw been in theaters? I think it was room. I think that was it which was which was maybe my favorite Batman Max my two favorite movies of the year. That's a good sampling room with sacraments outstanding. I loved it so much I cries. So I In blubbers save straight up bad word. I beg people to see it without paying any attention to anything about what they're about to see. Yes. I mean, you know, I didn't really know so I have a straight-up PTSD flashback and I didn't think I was going to have it. This is I'm gonna go deep about about the movie. Okay, so my I went with a friend and her dad had just recently died. I was like, oh, I don't know. Maybe it might be too touchy. Do you want to go and she's like, no it'll be fine. And then so I was kidnapped by my dad when I was 5 and And I don't and I use it. I talked I talked a lot about it like joke about it. And like I'm always like I'm totally fine. And then there's like supposed to compete against you tonight. You do these jokes as Bobcat Goldthwait I did my whole thing. Like I used to I used to tell people there's some think that I'd make instant friends would be like what happened cool and I'm like really Justin and nobody would everybody be looking at me like what's wrong with you? Like are you? Okay and I'm like, I'm fine you think do it again and then like one time in college, I told this guy that I got kidnapped and he got really excited. He's like, oh one time I saw a guy get hit by a car and died and I was like cool little quickie best friend. So the movie there's like a point in the movie where I was like, oh, this is such a good movie. It was so good and then I don't want to spoil anything but there's a certain moment where I was like I was like it was like PTSD and then I wept uncontrollably the whole movie like things like lightning was going through my braids and I couldn't get up because I knew I would scream so I was crying so hard, I guess what happened. Did your father roll you up in a carpet? And for sure, but it was it was it was like the Escape part it was like because it was like I really don't say anymore. Yeah, I can't enough. Anyway. Oh my God, shut up. Shut up. Shut up, or I'll put you in a shed. Oh my God know your audience. Anyway, the movie was real good. It was it was yeah. Thanks. Yeah. I don't why people joke about the weirdest. Shit, that is really dark. Right and I feel like you can laugh at anything if you know how to make it funny but that I couldn't that was really fun and I was laughing because she was like like the part about her going through life and try to seem adjusted and like being like yeah, like that was fast. That's funny. But the whole like the rest of his tent like that's so sad. No, the thing that got me about the clip the most was like comedian specifically always believe like you can make anything funny. Yeah. Don't you know about anything it's fine and you can hear them all kind of like okay. I'm trying to even hear them trying to make it funny. Yeah, because they're just so like what just feels like stress. She probably is still really traumatized. But yeah, she doesn't really seem all the way over it. But okay, it was funny. Yeah. I was definitely surprised time. I did not see that coming. Okay. So back to the surprise elements on your show. Do you guys like feel that sometimes in your listener letters because like I mean the ones I don't know what's in the inbox that we don't hear on the show, right? But sometimes I hear eyes on the show and I'm like people are like there's this guy like in my class and then it'll end up like, you know, but should I throw him down a garbage? Chute was just like wow, did he get her we get to this point a lot. Yeah lot of the emails are like that. Can you give me any examples of a listener letter that made you feel like the Doug Loves Movies clip like where you started off reading it and then you were like, what the fuck? How did we get here? I just feel like there are so many right. I feel like that that comprises of a pretty decent chunk the one with the girl from the cousin. Yeah, the girl who fucked her cousin dear care fear in Christ. Also last year around this time. I went to Kansas to meet some of my family on my mother's side for the first time and ended up having a girl and guy cousin my age. We all get along really well and hung out all weekend as I spent more time with my male cousin. However, I started getting the vibe that I only get from guys who try to date me. Oh, no, but I brush the feeling off and chalked it up to my paranoia. No nearly end of the weekends my cousins and I were drinking together. I'm actually gonna ask you to stop right there because I see what this is going after my female cousin went to bed. No, my milk hasn't immediately made a move on me. We ended up hooking up your life afterwards. I felt super guilty because okay you might need some water. Get some water right there in front of you, sweetie. And you almost killed my co-hosts. I really don't appreciate this. Oh afterwards. I felt super guilty because one we're faking related to I only hooked up with him because I was feeling lonely and he was so thirsty for me it became clear that he was she ended it by saying like now this new can't get enough for me. And I don't know what his problem is. It was like girl but wait because the issue wasn't I slept with my cousin it was now he's caught feelings. What do I do? I didn't like wait a minute girl, lets go back because you fucked your cousin like I'm still there. I did list that episode when I heard that was sooner letter for the first time. It just really made all of my life problems seem insignificant by comparison. Well, I have no I have no response to that. So I think it's actually time for a break. Okay? Yes. How are you guys feeling about about you what you've heard so far. I'm out of here. Yes. 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So like on your show you guys you curse you get angry you obviously talk a lot of shit about famous people you guys talk the way that people actually do with your friends because you guys are friends right and like that camaraderie I think comes through really clearly in the show. I think that's a major draw for a lot of people I heard about this. Oh only a couple months after it first started coming out the idea of like just to buy people talking the same way that I talked at home was like I have like a really I had this office. I was going to call it intense. It wasn't even 10 cents office job. That was like dry dry as a good way to put okay, but it was so nice to be able to like listen to you guys talking while I was at my desk like maybe one day like I'll fly away but like you guys people tell us that they like talk back to us in the car and we just remind them of their Friends, so that was intentional at first, but I do like that about the Charlotte. It feels very familiar familiar and it feels like you're just sitting down talking with your friends because a lot of podcasts. I think we're trying to emulate the sound of radio and sound very, you know, well put together and stuff and neither one of us gave a shit. So we literally just went in there and just started talking you didn't think about money. You didn't think about doing live shows. We didn't think much of it. It wasn't until much later on that our producer. Chris was like, okay. We're going to bring these appetizers. I was like after this is it we're going to get checks for this. So it was like, you know, we never really went into it with like okay, we're going to do this show and it's going to be sickening. We're coming for all of the girls and it's going to be pop. You ready bitch. Okay, let's rehearse like we never we just go and sit in the studio and talk for three years. That's how it's because I did not think black people listen to podcast. None of the black people. I knew listen to podcasts and the only podcast I listened to his This American Life, so I was like, we're gonna start podcast and she is going to listen to this. It was just gonna be like a hobby type thing. He literally came to me was like so look we're going to go in the studio once and just talk you don't want to do it next week. We don't have to you don't have to is no big deal episode and talked for an hour. I think just about the weather. And Chris was like, oh I went ahead and cut that because it's a lot about the weather. Oh my God. It was our first winter in New York. Probably that file has been lost forever, but it was literal like 60 Minutes a bitching. So that bitching about the weather was like your first ever rant on the show. But since then you guys have had like many ramps and the classic one is obviously obviously say no fuck boys. Yeah. Oh God niggas who have no jobs niggas with felonies niggas with seven kids by 10 different bitches niggas whose dicks is covered in herpes and candy canes and dots and whatever the fuck else because they you fuck anything walking eyes out of the back of burgundy. Oh my God, nigga stacking cardboard boxes. Every fucking can't like I can't anymore and I've never been nice about people who are stupid. I don't suffer fools easily, but damn it. I'm over it. Like I cannot take it anymore. And when I say I'm a drag your ass and be done with you, that's exactly what the fuck I'm gonna do ladies. I encourage you to join me. We're not having this shit anymore. We don't have to fucking take it. Don't tell women what makes them not good enough to be wise. First of all who the fuck wants to marry you you have literally nothing like you bring nothing to the table. What do you bring to the table other than somebody else's kids get the whole fuck out of here, bitch. I really have been wanting to ask where Where did that even come from? I think that day I was just fed up with men on the internet who were making all these demands of women like constantly just all this like ladies you have to have this or you have to be this or if you don't have this you ain't and I'm just like y'all are the most do nothing to ask motherfuckers like how how dare you demand that a woman be anything when you offer nothing it Made me want to reiterate to women like just say no to these men who are doing literally nothing for you causing you nothing but stress like improving nothing adding no value to your life. Just leave them alone. Just cut them off. I don't care how good the dick is leave it alone like this because that's always what's hanging them hanging them up and in most of the listener letters. Yeah, you know the ones that are like, oh my boyfriend is so terrible. He's just the absolute words. He keeps cheating on me. He's got shit. He doesn't clean up my car insurance by thousands of dollars, but I love him or but he has these really good colonies to and I'm like because he takes you to town in the sack. That's what it always boils down to is. I'm just trying to get women to get past the dick and like look at the person. I actually went back and checked the fuckboys rant. It's like almost three years old at this point. Yeah. I remember exactly where I want to say. I will oh, Was freshly out. I mean like maybe seven to ten days out of a relationship when that came out. I remember where I live. I also had lost my job four days before then. Yeah, and so I was like in some type of way and I remember like hearing that on the train going. I don't know where I was going on have a job, but also headed somewhere and like you were naming. I think one of them was like your mom hates him your dad hates it your brother wants to beat his ass and then you hit this one where it was like he can't mix with white people you can't Bring him. You can't take him to a job function. I literally almost fell out and died because we all know that one that you cannot take in a professional setting they do not know how to turn on the white people feel to it. But I do not I do not know how to act in a setting where you need them to act right? Normally. I don't care. Yeah about how you act around white people. But if it's in a context of like my job, yeah or like something that I have to do in a professional capacity. I need you to be able to fake it with me. That's basic I'm training like You just can't do it. So there are why you even bother with him. You can't even take him to the job function. Well, I really I appreciate that. I honestly I truly needed at that point. It didn't really actually sink in if I really examine my own behavior. It didn't sink until probably about June or May of last year. But since then the course correction has been fantastic stuff. Amen. Amen. I'm so glad to do something for you. So I really enjoy the reads or the takedowns that you you do at the end of your shows, especially when you guys go in on somebody that I think really deserves it or a group of somebody's who really deserve it one that really stuck out to me was one you did like the week after the shooting of Michael Brown and the subsequent riots in Ferguson, Missouri. I'm going to play a little bit of that you'd be upset about the riding. You can be upset about diluting. I totally understand I would prefer for people down there to be in their homes and be safe, but I would also I prefer that white people would stop killing our kids for no goddamn reason. I would prefer that much more than a nigga stealing a damn Sony plasma out of Walmart that I would I would much rather not have to worry about whether or not some cop or some other random white man or woman on the street. It's going to shoot one of my younger brothers down in Miami, Florida for nothing or my dad or my mom or me, or you are Whom the fuck ever else just for being black? That's what the bigger picture here is whether you are two chains or Oprah, you are a nigga to these people and they're going to kill you if they get the chance and they're going to do what they can to cover it up and they don't even have to cover it up too much to get away with it as we've seen time and time again the reads where you talk about social justice issues are obviously the most powerful but it seems like those can just be like Like emotionally draining. How does that affect you sometimes I just can't do it like sometimes I am just so worn out from whatever happened that week like when there's just been one black death after another and then another police officer wasn't indicted. And then another sometimes I'm focusing on things that annoy me in a different way in a more personal way instead of something that is heavier and tougher like that because it's only so much of that I can take so It's not even that I find myself not wanting to talk about some of the harder topics. It's just that I know going there and staying in that frame of mind is going to put me like in a sadder place because it really gets to be a lot when you decide to pay attention to all the inequalities that are going on and every single experience of racial Injustice that makes the news it just gets to be like almost completely overwhelmed and don't wanna hear all that shit. I don't like honestly, It's a comedy show the whole purpose of the show was to be light and fun and comedic. It just so happens that all of these crazy things have been happening over the past few years and we knock on not talk about it. We would talk about it anyway, but it's also exhausting and neither of us feel this obligation to talk about something. I know plenty of people at home like to just be mad. I generally like to be in a good mood and if I am not in a good mood or if I don't feel like how Hornet somebody or whatever that week I'm just going to do whatever I can to stay sane and sometimes I don't want to cuss out no white cops. I don't want to cuss out no races politicians. I don't want to I rather just talk about why Chase Bank is really screwed up or something. That's just lighter and easier to deal with because I'm not gonna drive myself crazy. I don't even know how all of these activists how they do that every single day without like strong prayer and fellowship. Like I don't I can't me personally and I feel the same way. So it's Bouncing that feeling with also, you know really making sure that I'm not censoring myself like making sure I'm not avoiding topics that I do feel like should be talked about and I just don't want to put the energy into it like making sure I find the balance in between that so I want to actually take the conversation to something that we kind of been circling around which is music which is like a huge part of like anybody listen to your show. You guys love music. Yeah, and you have a certain artist that you love like we We featured you guys talking just talking about something Beyonce has made twice already on this show. So in this next clip, we're we're going to bring you to artists who you like to talk about on your show, Adele and Drake. So it's from this podcast called switched on pop which is a show that picks apart and examines pop songs. It's hosted by Nate Sloan and Charlie Harding and in this clip, they're drawing parallels between two of the biggest hits of this past year. Hotline bling and Adele's. Hello. So first of all, you're going to hear is Nate. There's a remarkable collision between these two songs. I mean, they're both kind of investigating relationships that are supposed to be over but there's some some lingering feeling there. There's not any closure. It's a rare thing to have two songs on the pop charts that so neatly parallel each other and both these tracks were hopping on the phone and reminiscing about the past Adele says hello from the other Other side I must have called a thousand times and Drake says you used to call me on my cell phone late night when you need my love we can stop right there because the phone is interesting right? It's like Drake song is very explicitly used to call me on my cell phone. Not my smartphone. Not you used to Snapchat me. You used to Skype me used to what's at me used to send me late night text. Just saying hey you up? Yeah, this is a cell phone. This is like at least what comes to my mind is like an early 2000 Nokia orange plastic phone with the antenna on which you could play Snake right? I think in doing that Drake sets this song in the past where this relationship rather you have this I think the same thing is happening in a Dell because you have this other anachronistic technology. I think she references a landline when she says when I I call you're never home. You're only never home if you're calling a landline. So both these songs are putting us in the past both by referencing a past relationship and by inserting this old technology playing on a sense of nostalgia. In both these songs, we've got two people who are truly hurt. They're trying to reach out and connect. I'm wondering I want to imagine a world in which Drake and Adele are actually speaking to each other. Ooh, I like this. Where is this going? Well, maybe they're both on the phone lamenting the relationships to each other. It's me. I was wondering after all these years you'd like to meet to go over everything. Call me on my cell phone late night when you need my love. Well, I'm in California Dreaming about who we used to be. Did you ever make it out of that town? There was a girl at the city. You got a reputation for yourself. Now. It's so typical of me to talk about myself. I'm sorry these days. All I do is wonder if your Me over backwards you someone out. I forgotten how it felt before the world fell at our feet. You got exactly what you asked for. Yeah. I must have called a thousand times to tell you. I'm sorry that when I call you never seem to be home. She just be yourself right now. You're someone else but at least I can say that I'm trying how cute that was hilarious why people really we going deep like that was really hot. So even if you ever thought that hard about either one of those songs, both of them are pop records that were huge records, and that was that I mean, I would have never thought to draw that many parallels between those two songs Never. I don't think I would have just because that's what they both do like Drake always writes a song about some ex-girlfriend that he still kind of sort of loves and she kind of sort of wants him back now because he's popping and he kind of wants to get back with her but no because Brianna now and looks like that he does it and this is same thing with the day. It's just really somber and land right. I'm not a big Adele person just myself. Okay. I just I've never been able to fully get into I think she's really talented. I think she's great eye makeup. I think she said I just don't think she's it's just beautiful voice. I just can't I couldn't get all the way invested, but I know people are people are rabid for this woman and obviously people have Drake and her a lot of people who would love for them to collaborate. I just can't hear it. They're going to have to battle over who sings That's the first that I had who's crying? No, baby don't actually I mean I'm not going I would be curious about an Adele Drake collaboration just because like I'd listen to it because yeah exactly but if it happened I would be like, how why when what Israel looking like I might listen to a drake feature on an Adele song depending on the song, you know, I feel the opposite really I feel like I would listen to Adele like doing maybe some harmonies or some background on a Drake song and then yeah I can. Is don't want that just seems like something they would do just to do it because both of them are popping like a reason to make money. Yeah, like no, I don't think it does anything for money at this point. I mean publicity. It's never not enough. That's true. But she just she doesn't sell her life like the rest of the celebrity and I feel like she makes an effort to let people know that she's human like she goes to find the Target by his coloring books are her babies raising my child. No, I look a mess every day. I'm at the playground but she's a regular. I like that about her Drake is thinking about pouring champagne on strippers and then taking them home and praying with him and I like that too, but it just doesn't mean I just falls in love with every strip of a meets. I was just saying that he has a big heart. He does. I love Drake I do too. For some reason. I trust him like if I needed an opinion about something how I feel comfortable asking him. Like if you fell over on the street Drake would be like are you? All right. I help you. Yeah, like he would be concerned with like you're naive. Pretty in them, but also a little bit of a misogynist just a little bit of matter. But I also feel like Drake probably has like some real Scallywags to be trying to like drugged him and poke holes in his condom and set him up. Oh sure. He does. So a few girl drag Valley learn to be a little bit more Discerning. Yeah, Sally laughing his house, right? Absolutely speaking of celebrity relationship. Advise you guys that actually brings us to our very last clip. So last clip is going back to you know, just the elements that I bought the beginning the surprise and Delight is no like it's not just hope it doesn't involve bodily fluids. No, actually, it doesn't Okay first I had to pause and be like you to think about it. I did have to think about it. So this is from the podcast on a ferris is unqualified. So in the show actress Anna Faris interviews, Famous people and she also Doles out love and relationship advice that she won't she claims. She is totally unqualified to give up. I'm not about to stop liking on a first so her guests in this episode. Laura is Shaquille O'Neal. Oh, so Anna and her producer / co-host Sim sarna are interviewing Shack and as they talk to him. We actually start to hear like a more vulnerable side of Shaquille O'Neal. Do you remember your first crush growing up? Yes, my firt first world Crush first real class. Okay, so Crush where I was able to make the overt act and make this woman my girlfriend or just or just single girl crush. Okay doing both. I'd love to have my first crush. I was in fourth grade and Fort Stewart juge Fort Stewart, Georgia. And the reason why Reservoir no was a crush because the first time I felt the Woody hmm to like every time I see this girl, I guess yes, I would see this girl and I get so excited. Like I'd had these sweatpants on I look down and my little man will be poking out and just I just love this girl and this is around the time that Lionel Richie song if he wants. Twice three times. It's like I was I would see the girl that song will play in my head. I would get a little Woody and I never talked to this girl name was Erica Ford Fort Stewart. Georgia of My First Crush are Erica for yeah, not my first crush that I you able to be over at acting tell her I had a crush on her make her my girlfriend. That's probably was I have a lot of got my probably was my high school girlfriend named was a lot of Howard. So I went to a small school and all the girls are all. There everybody knows your name a lot of this. Excellent. My school was 329 kids 9 through 12. This is in San Antonio, San Antonio, Texas graduating class 39 people. So anyway, there's only a couple hot girls in school, but they were taken and we get this new girl who comes in from Alabama tall slender. She's hot everybody's out to her, but she's like she's playing hard to get she doesn't want anybody her mom's very Rick so I'm always there and always make her laugh and then finally I said I have a crush on you. She said good I've been waiting for you have a crush on you too, because at the time before she came I didn't have a prom date. I'm the number one player in the country don't have a girlfriend no car. No prom date. I'm just and I am the big V by the way look just about so I wasn't doing anything and I look at this girl when nobody's around, you know, just get the balls to say have a crush on you and she said I've been waiting for you have a crush on you, too. - we got amazing did that you'd marry another you didn't have a prom date. It's not that you it was by choice. I'm sure because he was the number one player in the country. You had women throwing themselves at you. Never know. Really? Yeah, and it's funny like, you know people used to say, oh when you get into the NBA you going to have girls wait in the lobby throwing themselves like I've never seen it. Ah, sad, okay. I actually felt bad for kind of feeling like that was going to be first of all, that's a stone-cold lie. And what's a lie shakes has certainly seen a lot of groupies in his Heyday like I don't believe that was right. You've never seen girls lining up for you. I mean secure why he's on TV talking about this. So that part is dating Hoops. You just dated moves. Oh my gosh Hoops introduce her. Self to the world is a groupie Flavor Flav at that. Yes made out with flavorful on National Television for years like years took her on TV. She's put on like leave. You never had groupies, sir. Stop the lies. Okay. Sure. Stop it. That part was clearly bullshit with the runs. That was cuter than I thought it would be. Yeah, that was kind of the Woody part. I could he drive a cab that yourself you could have just said that was the first time I knew I was attracted to somebody. Those actually rely like kept trying to figure out like well, how else do you describe that like that? And why did he sound like he's a hand just like finish smoking five Blunts and was awaiting the cough. He did have like a little like you to clear your throat brother because you just kind of a little Gravelly. I got no water in there for you, but you never wanna hear from this sack the sack that is that was adorable. It was so sorry if you had any relationship advice for Shaquille O'Neal. Oh, no. Okay. Well, what would it be? Probably don't whatever you thank you. Literally going to favor just don't whatever decision you thinking about to make as a regards to women. Just don't do it. Stop dating these little young hot like bodycon dress wearing girls. Stop it. Stop it. Now that there's anything wrong with that but like you needed a whole world whole her whole wardrobe is Buddy, huh? It's time to enemies little free before eleven girls. Let them have their time with great guys their own age. They're gonna treat them like trash. You need to treat somebody your own age. Yes, and he said Mary a grown Ward 8 a grown-ass woman who is independent of you and don't need you and don't have time for you because she's been paying bills her whole life by herself. That's who shagged me the date. Well, were you guys surprised and or delighted by anything that you heard today? I was surprised about a few things. I was surprised by the entire show. I was surprised by I was surprised by the kidnapping story that is still like I hope Okay, like I said, they had an impact that was odd and the first one was gross period shit shit. Your bathing suit may be shooting your bathing suit. It was hilarious. That was so funny though. The cliffs were surprising. The rest of the show was a delight. Yeah, that is fantastic. I'm so glad I'm glad I could word every clip was like, oh, what's up? Well, I'm glad you guys came today. Thank you so much. Thank you. 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Brittany plays some surprising clips for the people who got her into podcasting: the hilarious Kid Fury and Crissle, hosts of The Read. **Warning, this episode contains adult language. ** Episode #16 features clips from the following episodes (please go to our website www.gimletmedia.com/sampler for links to all episodes): The Read, "Kanye, Shut Your Black Ass Up" The Crimson Wave, "Episode 45 - Ashley Moffatt" Doug Loves Movies, "February 4 - Ben Schwartz, Noel Wells, Neal Brennan and Ken Reid guest" The Read, "The Mailbag" The Read, "Say No To F**k Boys" The Read, "The Upheaval" Switched on Pop, "23. Hotline Hello, Featuring Drake and Adele" Anna Faris is Unqualified, "Episode #22: Shaquille O'Neal" The Facts: This episode was produced by Rose Reid, Sarah Abdurrahman, and Brittany Luse, with help from Kate Parkinson-Morgan. It was edited by Annie-Rose Strasser. Our theme music was made by Micah Vellian and our ad music was made by Mark Phillips. The show was mixed by Matthew Boll and David Herman. Thanks to Ellie Gordon-Moershel for alerting us to The Crimson Wave clip and to Jennifer Liao for the Doug Loves Movies clip. Sampler is a production of Gimlet Media.

Hello and welcome. Thanks for listening to the embodied astrology horoscopes for Sagittarius season in 2019. My name is Renee. I'm a Consulting astrologer and somatic intuitive. These horoscopes are meant to Aid you in your healing and help connect you with your highest self as you listen, please listen with an open mind and appreciate the symbols and suggestions take what works for you and leave the rest. Remember that these horoscopes are describing General energy for each sign and it's up to you to get specific. Feel free to associate what I say to what is relevant for you.At their best horoscopes work as pieces of mystical advice and sacred symbolism. Let them spark your imagination and stimulate your intuition. I suggest that you listen to the horoscopes for your son and your rising signs. Your sun sign is what you tell people when they ask what's your sign it has to do with the time of year. You were born your rising sign has to do with the time of day. 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That it returns to and its retrograde so that period of time at the beginning when it was still direct not yet retrograde but moving over to rain that it would then retrograde back to and now this period of time after it has turns direct but it is returning over this area of the sky that it has already traversed twice now once and it's direct motion and once and its retrograde these period of times are called The Shadow phases. So the shadow phases and Mercury retrograde. Cycles are important the first Shadow phase gives us an idea kind of sets the stage for what's going to be coming up in the Mercury retrograde cycle and the second Shadow phase is a time when we may have important observations and resolution and Clarity that comes up in response to whatever we've been mucking around with during the Mercury retrograde and when Mercury is retrograde in a water sign as it has been this phase, it's been retrograde in the sign Scorpio. A lot of what gets stirred up is deeper emotional stuff. So feelings attachments insecurities and especially with Scorpio a lot of complex feelings that probably don't have simple one word descriptions to them because they're tied up with a whole lot of stuff and especially For You Mercury retrograde in Scorpio has taken place in the part of your chart that represents your mind your intellect and your communication. So over these past couple of months, if you have been experiencing some ups and downs in your mind in your Communications with your learning with your attention. I wouldn't be surprised. That's what this Mercury retrograde was here to do. And now as we get into the second Shadow phase I'd really love to encourage you to be really attentive to not just Our mind but your mind body emotions connection and really notice how your emotional body moves with your mental body. So when you think something notice how quickly it takes for you to start feeling something when you feel something notice how quickly it takes for your minds to start telling you a story about what you're feeling. My guess is it takes about a half a second. So as you notice those Pathways and And those reverberations you can start to become more and more Savvy to your habits. And this Mercury retrograde for sure is one that might be Illuminating a lot of your deeper habits, especially as they come to emotion. Now Mercury will finish its retrograde its shadow phase of the retrograde on December 9th, and then it will move into the sign Sagittarius. And of course the sun will already be In Sagittarius the sun enters that sign on November 22nd. So Sagittarius is the sign that follows Scorpio and as we get into such a tereus we get into some deeper kinds of foundational issues for you. We get into content that may have a direct correlation with home and family issues. Both biologic lineage related ancestry related as well as current and chosen home and family on kind of broader and more General energetic. Level this place into your chart speaks to your sense of foundation. You're feeling of groundedness the sense you have of belonging somewhere or with certain people and kind of basic issues around your security and how you may or may not feel at home in the world. Not just literally in your home. So Sagittarius is a sign that gives us a lot of information and it asks us to Ask big questions and not get stuck on easy answers. It's a sign that we are inspired by and we find Opportunities with and we're kind of compelled to grow with so over the course of Sagittarius season. There's quite a lot of support for you to find deeper meaning with a lot of the content as I had mentioned that might have been stirred up with the Mercury retrograde as you notice the habits of your mind, you might also start to to get in touch with some deeper habits around your conditioning and your position throughout Sagittarius season. There's also a lot of support for you to be growing your sense of family your sense of community and your sense of belonging. I'd love to give you the prompt of a question to consider which is what is home and who is family or who our family and really sit with us for a while and don't let the answer be didactic and literal but think of it as a metaphor. Our where on Earth's do you feel at home but also in what activities and what energetic states with what kinds of Inspirations this is a great time for you to be nurturing a sense of belonging and groundedness in your own being and whatever ways are relevant or makes sense to you, especially as we get to the new moon on November 26th. We have a new moon at three degrees of Sagittarius. The new moon is a wonderful time. In fact the entire kind of growing or waxing moon phase from New Moon to Full Moon is a wonderful time to invite in what you're wanting to cultivate what you're wanting to encourage and its development particularly for this sign in this part of your chart. So around the new moon, you may want to carve out some space and time for yourself to meditate to do a ritual or ceremony of some kind to write in your journal or Leads us to reflect a little bit on the essence again of belonging of home of community a family. What and how and where do you feel encouraged you feel grounded? And what and how and where do you want to cultivate in terms of these ideas? What are you drawing in? What are you wanting to nurture and nourish in your life and how can you be the best Ally and Advocate and family? To yourself right now. How can you show up for yourself in your life and whatever it is that you're doing as we get to the full moon. The full moon is on December 11th. What will be illuminated is the access between Sagittarius and Gemini for you? This axis illuminates the polarity between the root and the heaven of your chart. So the foundational kind of Security based very interior and Issues of the fourth house where Sagittarius is and then the ideas of vocation career ambition what you're aspiring to build in your life Gemini rules your solar 10th house and this place in your chart has the most Public Presentation. So this is what you're showing the world your most public face and what you want that face to look like what you aspire to and of course what you I aspire to is never separate from what you ground in what you're rooted in where you feel comfortable. What makes you feel safe. So with this full moon pay attention to your instincts are around your Ambitions your aspirations and also your instincts and needs around home family and security some relationship issues are figured in this full moon for you and I Mentally want to encourage you to be gentle and kind with yourself and with others, especially when it comes to these other territories or areas of life that I mentioned home and family and also career vocation aspirations Etc. If there are things that arise in relationships that create confusion in either of these other domains, give it a couple of days that full moon energy. That's It's coming in. This month is pretty thick. It has a potential to be heady and also confusing give it some time to let any kinds of confusion mellow out and then see where you are again. I really want to encourage you to be as kind to yourself as you possibly can and to really focus and meditate on your own Safety and Security and Foundation within yourself. How can you cultivate the Sense of being grounded and anchored and steady in yourself as you meet the demands of your work of your vocation of your relationships a couple of other things happening this month Venus and Jupiter will both move from Sagittarius into Capricorn Venus moves into Capricorn on November 25th. It will Transit through Capricorn until December 20th. Jupiter moves into Capricorn on December 2nd, and it will Transit until December. 20th of 2020 so a little bit more than a year both of Enos and Jupiter are considered to be benefic planets in astrology. That means that they are good vibes Venus brings in qualities of connection relationship magnetism and pleasure Jupiter brings qualities of Goodwill optimism and enthusiasm and adventurous spirit and desire to grow and learn Venus and Jupiter as they enter Capricorn are going to be entering To your solar fifth house. This is an exciting place in the chart. It has a lot to do with your creativity with your expressive playful. Joyful energy and your inner child. For those of you who are parents. This is also the house of children. So Venus and Jupiter here are giving you opportunities good luck magnetism and attraction capacities. This is a great time for those of you who are artists and who are makers to enjoy your creative practices. And really cultivate any growth opportunities or areas of interest that you're working on for those of you who are parents. This is a really good time for you to cultivate Joy with your children to encourage them to express themselves authentically to try and find opportunities for them to know and integrate the most vibrant and creative aspects of their beings for everybody. These are great influences for you to get in touch. With your wild creative and erotic nature when I say erotic, I definitely am including sexual eroticism. But I'm also including eroticism with life in general you can feel turned on and inspired and excited by your life and with Jupiter in this part of your chart. You've got a whole year of learning and growing and making meaning out of your pleasure and your excitement and quite a lot to offer to others and offer to the world from this place as I mentioned before Mercury will Ingress Sagittarius on December 9th will be there until December 29th Mercury brings an intellectual mental communicative aspect with it, wherever it travels it's coming into your solar fourth house is a great aspect for you to be communicating with family members or household members is also a great time for you to put your mind towards cultivating and developing again these ideas of rootedness and groundedness in On being last but not least on November 28. It is the national day of mourning. Otherwise known as Thanksgiving Day in the United States. I hope that you have a nourishing day full of friends and family and I would love to encourage you to donate some time and money to indigenous LED organizations. I am donating money this year to the indigenous environmental Network. I've set up a monthly donation with them and I love to encourage you to do the same. They're an amazing organization that is entirely indigenous. They're doing awesome work with the environment and with education, please check them out IE10 Earth dot-org to learn more about astrology. Please become a subscriber. There is so much going on this month planetary aspects and lunar cycles. You can find out all about it in the extended monthly horoscope and also in the printable calendar that you can use to track astrology in your life. Please listen to the embodied astrology podcast for Sagittarius season, there is so much to learn about Arias and embodying this amazing energy and working with it. Thank you so much for listening. If you enjoy this horoscope, please share them with your friends and Community wishing you all the best in Sagittarius season and Beyond. Bye for now. 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This is optimal living daily episode 1273 stop and ask yourself by Greg Audino of Greg Audino.com. And I'm just a moloch. Happy Thursday. Welcome back to Optimal living daily also known as the O LD podcast where I read to you from some of the best blogs. I can find and get permission from today's post coming from actor and certified life coach Greg a dino actually not really opposed to not a Blog. This is more of me re-enacting his video. But anyway before we get to it, thank you to Joy bird. Third find your joy today at Joy bird.com old with joy birdie get one-of-a-kind Furniture crafted to your unique taste. This is quality handcrafted Furniture using high quality and responsibly sourced materials to fit your exact specifications. See how Joy bird can help you design your dream space create the furniture that brings you Joy today at Joy bird.com. Oh LD go to Joy bird.com old and receive an exclusive offer for 25% off your first order by using the code. Oh well. For now, let's get right to it and start optimizing your life. Stop and ask yourself by Greg Audino of Greg Audino.com. You might meet a lot of people that unhappily describe themselves as being on autopilot. They feel as though their lives are run by the same routine without much Vigor or variation. There is dissatisfaction boredom and obligation yet in spite of this time flies, even though they're not having fun or perhaps. This is you life is moving right on along and they'll you've answered the bell and you're doing all the things you should be doing. So working paying your bills on time only cheating on your taxes a little bit. There's still the Faction, there's still a sense of incompletion or time not well spent and times important. We all know how important time is though. We tend to not treat it as such we're all very much aware that time is our most valuable currency never to be replenished that said our measurements of life and life's worth can't be separated from time. We know we're on a clock of some sort and if that clock didn't exist and we had as much time as we wanted to do whatever we want with our lives surely a lot of our pressures and negative. Terry about how we're spending our time would cease to exist with that in mind. It's crucial to understand that the source of many judgments about what we're doing with our lives are relative to time. Maybe not if you're out killing people for a living that's probably a moral dilemma, but for most of us who live a more ordinary type of Lifestyle, so getting to the core of a disc satisfying life usually requires us to ask ourselves what we're doing with our time. What are we doing with this fleeting opportunity? What are we doing with each? Moment which are the only Snippets of life will ever truly live in as they vanish to the Past in an instant and the future is anyone's guess time is running out. It's an undeniable truth and although you already know it hearing it again might give you a twitch of awareness or aliveness that what you're seeing hearing smelling tasting and touching in front of you is all that you really have. So what now for at least a moment we're hyper present and aware of our Limited. And time on this Earth dwindling by the millisecond and here you are listening to this podcast. Well, what can I tell you? How can we get through this thing together all I can offer you at this moment and any moment is the opportunity to ask yourself one question a question. That is sure to optimize your time on this Earth that question is am I doing what I want to be doing groundbreaking. I know it might also be rephrased as am I doing something that makes me happy or am I enjoying myself right now? Or even am I doing the best possible thing at this moment and if the answer is yes and you've considered the likely consequences, then that ingrate you've got to figure it out keep on keeping on there is an extra level. However, because a lot of the time we're not doing what we most want to be doing and unless there's some Colony people out there who spend all day every day running naked in a field while eating ice cream. I'm betting that we all have at least small bouts of time where we'd rather be doing something else and why is that that's because that Thing I said before about the aliveness that comes with acknowledging that this moment in front of you is all you'll ever have goes away for 99.9% of us. It doesn't last that would be Madness. If all our brains can keep up with is the present moment like that. We're constantly working around stimuli to sort out the best scenario given what we want for the future and how that can be attained based on the experiences. We've had in the past with that in mind with our current mode of operating in mind. There's a follow-up question. You can ask yourself if your answer to the first question. Enough. Am I doing what I want to be doing was no question 1 a is is what I'm doing at least an investment in the future. So is this current action at least purposeful and building something? I want down the road from here. It can get trickier thoughts about balancing present happiness with future planning may come into play that's about efficiency and pursuing future goals giving you a limited amount of time might come into play that's about the true value of that future goal may come into play questions like that are Viable and can and should be addressed separately perhaps with a coach but what most people don't realize is the simple Act of asking these questions has the power to buy yourself more time. Why is that because in giving an honest assessment of how purposeful and dense each of your actions? Are you give yourself a clear view of how much time you're wasting on the things that are neither fulfilling you or helping to fulfill you in the future? You're given the chance to buy back that time that you'd otherwise be wasted. On things that are not serving you in the least, but you have to be honest with yourself. Some people might say that TV is a huge time waster and a great example of something that isn't fulfilling nor is an investment in the future but TV is something that you know purposefully relaxes you and if you're cognizant of its effects, then you may have good reason and watching it each day. Some people might hate their job and it's not what they want to be doing. But the money that comes with it is an investment in the future. That's when questions of efficiency and value that I mentioned before. Might come into play. Some people may be thrilled and certainly enjoying themselves by telling their boss to fuck off in this moment. But in reality, they like their job their riled up for no reason and while it's fun telling the boss to finish off. This is not ultimately a good decision down the road where humans and have the ability to weigh consequences. We don't to live in dog brain all the time. We can make decisions based on the least amount of regret. So there's variation between situations and people of course, but being mindful enough to check in and ask yourself. Am I doing what? I want to be doing and or is what I'm doing at least an investment in the future is a massive launching point in the awareness of time spent there for offering you a clearer perspective into what does and doesn't need to take up your very precious time. You just listen to The Post titled stop and ask yourself by Greg Audino of Greg Audino.com. Definitely check out his video version of this you does a great job. You can find all of that at Greg Dino.com Linked In This episode's description and a told podcast.com. 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Greg Audino shares his thoughts on stopping and asking yourself. Episode 1273: Stop And Ask Yourself by Greg Audino on Mindfulness & Pursuing Your Goals for Personal Development Greg Audino is both a certified life coach and an actor. He combines his passions to create short and digestible videos which shine new light on the turbulent areas of life that many of us already have our minds made up about. Constantly seeking to share new insight, Audino uses humor and a variety of PG-13 examples to offer a refreshing and more relatable approach to self-development. TV fanatics can find him with principle roles on shows like Westworld, Now Apocalypse, NCIS:LA, and Jane the Virgin to name a few. Greg's videos, as well as information about becoming a life coaching client of his, can be found at gregaudino.com. The original post is located here: https://gregaudino.com/videos/ Please Rate & Review the Show! Facebook Group and Join the Ol' Family to get your Free Gifts! See how Joybird is revolutionizing online furniture shopping. Go to joybird.com/OLD and receive an exclusive offer for 25% off your first order by using the code OLD.

Alright, here. We are. Here. We are. Here we go chasing life trying to get somewhere and seeing Life as a to-do list checking things off. All of these are like we could call them like old Paradigm ways of creating something and some of those are still useful tools and we got it like have a list of things that need to be done. Maybe but life is not a to-do list. We're on this planet to have an experience.Okay, amazing. Welcome to another episode of the real life, but better reality hacking podcast. I'm your host Samantha Lotus and one of my favorite humans on the planet Julian Cooter lie, he is a transformational coach and a content creator at a really epic podcast called The Green Planet Blue Planet podcast. It is such a pleasure. I've been on his podcast few times and nowI'm being Grace of his presence here. And yeah, I'm super excited and really grateful to be jamming with you. I'm excited as well. This is a great place where here in LA in Venice, you know, like good Sunshine Vibes. I can't wait to talk about whatever we're going to be talking about. Yeah. So the whole premise of this podcast is really extracting the gold that you have in how you've been able to hack reality. You know, it's all about what your practices are and some of your philosophies and your modalities that you utilize. As for yourself in optimizing your health and your happiness as well as your freedom and then how you transmit that as well to your clients and the people that you work with so I want to know real life but better reality hacking what comes to mind when you hear these terms and you think about this real life but better reality hacking. Well, the first thing that comes to mind for me is to like reframe what hacking reality could mean and so I think the context under which I understand it is Idea that reality is a certain way, you know you go to school you get a job. You have a family he said receptor that's reality as its told to a lot of people it should be or there is this this dream that you can or could achieve but maybe you don't you know, and so that's more like the mediocre wave of life that would say right and you're saying real life, but better for me what comes to mind is just reframing what is it that I truly desire from a place of heart and soul much more than my mind or my conditioning and then how How do I achieve that? How do I have the energy for that in a way that I'm not faking to make it? I'm not pushing myself to like over exert and get somewhere but I'm actually learning to you know inquire within and create a relationship with in like for me life hacking really is when I the first life hack is like switching your perception of life from the life is happening outside of you like here I am with his other beautiful human being sitting here having an interview but really there's an Inside relationship about that where I've cultivated, you know over a hundred thirty podcast episodes. I'd like created this inquiry in myself. And so as a result of that also, they are moments like this that are happening and when I flip my switch to to see live more this way and it's you know, it's a continuous practice. I feel like everything became a little bit slower. Actually, I gets accelerated and there's momentum but it feels like life is happening with like a slow-motion drumbeat where you know, some people say when you meditate a lot you make less mistakes, you don't do no mistakes, but you make less mistakes and so for me that all is like how I would start to kind of reframe hacking reality. I love that because the first thing that you said is really the whole premise is that we've been conditioned and taught and socialized to believe that life. Is a certain way right Modern Life, we really been put through this machine to become employees and to work the nine-to-five to think this way that our parents thought to act the way that Society wants to act to be in the box and really the better is all about. Well, that's okay and that's cool and there can be more if your heart desires more if your soul wants more and if you really feel called to having something different and a lot of people when I start talking to them about this like well, I don't even know what I want like, I don't know what my soul. Banzai they can't even conceptualize that something could be different. And so how do you tune in and hear what your soul is wanting or know what's inside of you? Like what are some of your ways of going within and introspecting? I love that question and let me answer that question in short and then also put some context to it. So for me the way I tuned in it's pretty simple its breath and meditation. I do a lot of breathwork have been doing this for years and years. I teach it I shared with people it's part of what I offer to my clients as well. It just cuts the thinking apparatus like a cuts that the moment of like overthinking trying to interpret trying to make meaning you breathe in a certain holotropic way or in a certain light. Crea Kundalini, Yoga way and on the other side of that there's space right? That's the short answer. I would say and my real like teacher in that sense. I really this is going to sound funny to some people but I don't care. It's really the trees like the moment. I'm in the forest. There is a different way of listening for me then when I'm let's say in a city in a city there is there is just it's like this human swirl we're in and if you're going and doing things you might have enough momentum to meet Everyone you need to meet but if you're in a city just taken space and looking around you might start seeing all the things that are quite fucked up, you know, like from homelessness to Poverty to how dirty our environments are to how rectangular they are, which is not really biomimicry. And so in the forest, it's quite the opposite where my whole being my whole energy field my electromagnetic field. My my body my perception starts kind of like breathing with what the environment has to offer which then brings me back inside. I love that. So I'll start with that second thing that you said about being in nature connecting to the trees where there's so much oxygenation. There's the color green your out. There's maybe some sunshine you're getting the wind in your face and it's very much connecting you back to the mother that we've really been disconnected from I feel like a lot of humans forget that we're of the Earth because we grew up in these concrete boxes and are often disconnected and a lot of people know like, okay. Yeah nature is good for me. But how often are you actually getting out into Sure, like how much are we submerging ourselves into the forest and into the lakes and into the ocean, right? And then like leaving this guy at home or at least in the car? Right? And so that's the context. I wanted to give to that first question already and it still fits really well, which is you know, you're asking about finding this. This more like if someone wants more of their life or wants to live the hard Society or their dream and so you listening you probably know that like some of the dreams we have they're actually placed into us through the narratives are of our society so they might be dreams, but they're not really your dreams. Like let's say becoming a famous actor in Hollywood, you know is like possibly something you might think about the possibly it's just something that's really in the collective model, you know, and so your real dreams your real purpose you're real. I would call it assignment. You know is it has a different energetic signature with frequency to it? And I feel like you know in like planetary circumstances that that would bring that out from early age. We'd have an education system that like interact with children as like, you know Foster's curiosity guides us through love into finding these gifts and gives us some boundaries. So we're not going completely off the charts, but that would be like an ideal scenario maybe but in the situation our life and our circumstances are right now, I feel like it's our individual job to embrace the transformation to say yes to that you say yes to maybe the scary Koreans of the unknown like not knowing what comes later today not knowing what comes tomorrow, you know not knowing even what your next paycheck comes from just to understand and breathe and be for a while in the space where you like, so what is it that I'd like this to be and for some people it is switching careers quitting your day job and doing something entirely else, but for a lot of people actually both friends of mine myself and clients. I experienced that over and over it's about the like one or two or three degree Attunement. So instead of like Rewiring everything it's realizing where do I have this in my life already, you know like I would not recommend to quit your day job just quite yet. You know, it's sometimes it's just showing up with more energy going to the day job so that that can transform into a different day job, you know, but the alignment of like two or three degrees if you think of it 50 years later, if you haven't attuned you'd be at a complete different destination then if you actually say, okay, I'll take this time maybe every day through breath and meditation to attune to this to connection to Assignment I love that you said that because a lot of people that say that they hate their day jobs. It's mostly for reasons apart from the job itself. It might be because they are not taking care of themselves. They're not sleeping right? They're not eating right? They have no energy. They don't know how to process emotions. They don't know how to have authentic conversations or share what doesn't feel aligned with them or confront their neighbor about whatever is happening. And so there's so much of this like bottling things up and not feeling well already that when we engage Age with their environments were more easily triggered. Our nervous system is already on fire and we're not able to meet our lives in a way that is conducive to being healthier happy. And I know that one of the things that is really in your practice of Mastery is working on your nervous system and toning yourself to be grounded and stable and really Buddha's zen-like. Hmm. So what do you what do you do for the people that there she said that about me? Well, you know, the people that are really like all the time kind of like in the sack. I said like super triggered paper sympathetic nervous system alone it thank you for that. First of all, but then I would say I'm in a path of Mastery in training right as we all are because there are some days when I'm like, oh, wow, I sure wish I dealt with that better but failure or momentary failure or like fucking op or doing something wrong isn't actually catastrophe. I think that's the first thing to realize is like what are you doing right now is already good enough. Allow yourself to just be okay with what life is like right in this moment in with the way you react is cetera and then the nervous system. I mean you were asking. How how can somebody like you know embrace, you know, maybe a little bit more than Orvis Buddha like we call it like a someone out there. They just feel like they're constantly frustrated constantly agitated, like really, you know that like super fire Yang energy where it's inhibiting them from really being able to live their life. I've definitely dealt with a fair share of frustration throughout my life with you know, this idea of like being too much having too much energy for others to handle and then being told Smaller or less intense, you know and I had to navigate that for years and years to realize now. I'm actually not too much. I'm just the right amount. It's just that there's a proper timing and alignment with other people and sometimes people aren't ready to hear you and when you have so much energy When you get frustrated, you actually like shooting yourself in the foot, but if you understand, okay, I have a lot of energy right now and I might maybe would be doing this differently, but the situation doesn't really allow for more understanding or a better connection. Then your maturity is really required in the maturity to say, okay, maybe I can experience my nervous system and that energetic outbreak of like pounding hard and like I gotta say something right and realize okay, is that can actually help me. Can I calm down my breath in real time to just breathe a few times and realize okay, like yes, it's important to State your boundaries and is important to say who you are and what you want and sometimes words are just Inhibitors. They're creating a little prisons of what's not possible. And so I think number one shortcut is always the breath and so for me how that looks in re like literally real life situations. You know it I mean, I don't place my And on the belly necessarily in a real life situation all the time, but I would place my hand on my belly or at least like my Awareness on it and it just take the biggest. Well first a breath out by declares a like bringing the diaphragm all the way in towards of your belly button into your spine basically and then I you know on that empty diaphragm I breathe in as deeply as I can to my belly. And then into my chest. So I'm already slowing down time in this moment because my breath is like, you know 15 seconds long instead of five seconds long. And usually what happens is an instant energetic shift in the space. You're in your bubbling up nervous system. That might want to shout or react or say something realizes. Okay that's going on. But really what if you were able like talking about it from a tantric perspective time chicly able to use that energy to to read Taking it in your system. So you keep breathing. You connect your tongue to the roof of your mouth. And you're just realizing. Oh, wow. I have a lot of energy in me right now. It needs to transform in some way. Maybe I can sing or yeah, I'm you know, if you're in the forest or the ocean yell at the ocean or if you are with your partner or something have sex and transform it whatever it is, you know, but but in the moment when you're aware of it, you can just get aware of it first because if you just react to life, I mean, we've all done that it For me, it just never created the outcomes I want and I'm too curious about expanding my being to to stay stuck in that you know, it's conscious. It's continuously wasting energy. Yeah, thinking energy and what I love about what you said is really it's conscious pattern interrupting. It's like okay triggered react triggered react, but if you can be triggered and pattern interrupt conscious awareness, okay, slow it down take a deep breath ask myself is this effectively What is effective for me? How do I navigate this? Is it an outburst? Is it taking utilizing this energy? You know, I love that because that's bringing in that awareness and the Consciousness and bring us out of just like that ego-driven or nervous system event or trauma driven type of reactionary response. And you know, I would add to that that having this kind of nervous system driven response or the ego-driven or the the, you know, old triggers driven response again, like could you just could you let that be okay for the one or two times that it happens? So you get to actually watch yourself instead of having an opinion about yourself? Yeah, because it's actually a different thing to have an opinion in your mind. We're like, well that didn't work out or like that person was rude, you know or like oh that person just didn't get me like they're not awake enough or whatever it is. Whatever the opinion is. We all label things, you know, but when you slow down through breath, you see the label you see the opinion your mind is placing and you're like, okay. Wait a little bit longer because I know after I have an opinion. I'm trying to make meaning there's something else on the inside screen, right? And so I don't pretend like I don't have judgmental thoughts. I mean human I judge judgment can be helpful. If I don't judge if I want to eat avocado toast or eggs. I won't make a decision, right? That's that's a minor judgment, but the judgment is a normal process. It's just when we expand our awareness of our internal screen, I would call it. We we can see the judgment and the We can pass we take another breath and we realized oh, there's actually nothing to say right now. I don't have to rebuttal or there is something to say, let me State my boundary or let me be really clear or let me invite the person to see differently and we just experienced it earlier with a co-worker right like the moment. We want to we want to discuss. Let's say schedules and timings and plans often people just see it slightly differently. But sometimes it's like the more words you add to something the more stuck you get and so I've been at that place. A lot in my life, you know where I'm like I speak a few different languages English is my second language. I love languages. I love talking. I love listening. But there is this place in conversations where I've noticed like, oh wow. Me and my partner on me and my business partner me and my friends. We just trigger each other to keep talking and so taking the wind out of that sale consciously can be a contribution as well and just to be like Only because we disagree you're not actually infringing my boundary and something awful is going to happen. I don't have to like straight my boundary right now is like no, I actually am self secure enough to know that Sam's not going to hurt me and I trust you and let's just take you in this example. So I don't need to always be on the full edge with people. You know, I can just realize okay today. This is my time to be the wiser one and takes a deeper breath and quotation marks here for everyone on the wiser one. Listening on I really like what you're saying and that taking space creating space, especially when there's something reactionary or something. That's really Intense or what people would qualify as maybe like negative like anger resentment or judgment that that has saved my relationship with one of like this my partner, you know being able to know that we used to trigger the fuck out of each other and I mean you've seen it. I've seen it live on Facebook. I don't know why they would do that, but it is so So that was something huge, you know, especially if anyone has like a twin flame relationship or somebody and maybe a parent or partner that just triggers the shit out of you but you love them and it's constant triggering something that we've incorporated into a relationship is just okay, when we notice that we're getting in this washing machine spiral or tornado of triggers just like oh boy, if one of us can be conscious and to say hey, let's just take a deep breath or even not even say that I just like stop and like you said just take a deep breath. It slows time completely it pattern trips and it reminds me, okay. He is aware and taking a breath I can do the same thing. We can reset and then in that moment ask like well, what's the most effective way to move forward? How would I how do I choose? What do I choose now? Right that conscious choice and I feel like this is a huge part about reality hacking is about consciously being the co-creator of your reality. And so when you're consciously co-creating your reality rather than just like reactively living out. Reality, what are some of the ways that you may be manifest or consciously create your life or plan or just let things flow through you if you're the conscious co-creator. What does that look like for you? How do you navigate that? It's such a good question. There's two things are coming up for me one is in the inter personal space. So in the interpersonal space when I'm let's say with my beloved or with a friend what I believe we all ultimately want is is to recognize There's only one of us here, you know where the infinite truth of Love individualizes Julian Assange in this moment, but with silly infinite truth of Love truly and so as that like humor, is that conscious co-creation. How often can I bring it back to humor and like I love teasing I love being witty. I love when people are sharp. I just enjoy that because I don't have an insecurity that if you point something out about me that'll have to go home and be like, oh that was hard. But yeah, I might be hard but you my friend so I enjoy that you point things out because if we're easy about that possibly if we get lucky we can laugh and you all know laughter is like the best medicine on the planet it transcends any cultural differences any language groups. Anything laughter is just like number one co-creation to I would say but I didn't know that Germans. Laughs ha ha ha ha ha. Well, I don't laugh about that because I am a German Germans are actually known to go into the basement to laugh. I'm just a nobody sees it. No, that's a fair point. That's a fair point man. That was a deep one. Ha ha ha, I like poking. So I have to also be okay with people poking, right? So so now that's good. That's good. I agree. I agree. Let me say the second piece to it. So the second piece is on a like Visions. How do I co-create or manifest my visions and so you know we talked about this earlier over coffee you and I it I feel like Chasing Life trying to get somewhere seeing Life as a to-do list checking things off. All of these are like we could call them like old Paradigm ways of creating something and some of those are still useful tools and we got it like have a list of things that need to be done. Maybe but life is not a to-do list. We're on this planet to have an experience first and foremost, right and you know, an easier circumstances everyone could be doing that already, but we're on that journey of learning how we can have this. World as a an open Journey for everyone. Well that works for everyone. And so I feel like when we talk about visions and co-creating them, it's a healthy mix of like being off the world, you know, but but kind of like there's a quote in the upanishads where I think Krishna says to Arjuna like like live by the cosmic laws, but operate within the human laws love that right? So that's how I would talk later. Yeah, you're integrating the soul, but you are actually Like, you know if I'm completely like fuck all I do whatever I want because I'm like so awake and I see through all the Matrix sure maybe but like if you're driving on the wrong side of the street every day all the time, that's a useless bias to break because at some point somebody will be like, yo, we got to lock this person up and so that's being of the world, you know, like living within the human loss to realize some of those boundaries. We've created even though you might not agree with all of them. They are just helpful to stay within and we can And them in the momentum and change them as we go but but we're not here to just resist in my eyes because when we're Guided by the the you know, the Topography of spirit, right the way Spirit arranges things and connect people and like what were the chances that we're meeting in LA today? Yeah, like two months ago. I would have been like what I'm eating salmon late that makes no sense to me. Like she's never there. I'm never there and now we're both here, you know. Yeah, and so that's for me like where the Topography of spirit continues to weave time and space in a way and so Co-creating that consciously is to make space for that understanding and again like comes back to your first question meditation breathwork being in in the forest for me allows for another buzzword here to to like experience more Kairos, right like the Greek understanding of time as like Kronos being like the Earthly measurable time and like to do lists and 11 a.m. Sharp and whatever else like we have a meeting at this we started 1111 here at the Mystic Manor in California. Meeting start at 11:00 11:00 or 12:00, 12:00 or 3:00 3:00, pretty much arrived at every level. That's hilarious. And then the Kairos is like, you know, like being of that Timeless essence of that more flowing Essence and I would say that's really one of the many balance points I both share with people and like have little modules and coachable surround that but also like that's how I run my own life is like life's not a to-do list, so I don't want to just check off my like next podcast episode and I gotta get like this. This recognition and this prize and be on that show that make wish lists and I write to the universe but ultimately at some point I Just Surrender that you know, and then just live life as its as its fun like following my passion since I love that. Yeah, absolutely insane that stimulates within me as I feel like consciously co-creating and manifesting is both a balance of the masculine and The Feminine and so for me, the masculine is very much the doing the checklist the goals the accomplishments like penetrating reality with my forces. All the things that I want to do and accomplish which I love and there's a point to you. And then the feminine is receiving and going with the flow and seeing the Divine tape history that is unfolding or the Topography of like oh Julian and I are both here in LA and we're linking up and then this thing and then this is going to go out and someone's going to see it and reach out and then we're going to all connect and then they're going to be our next business partner and data data data that those are things that you can't plan you can't foresee. You can't deny when they pop up and it feels so right. And so it's really about the balance for me of that flow of like receiving and surrendering and witnessing the unfolding while also showing up in life and doing and accomplishing and achieving because I feel like you know, we can be Buddhist monks and sit and pray and meditate all day and I don't know that we're going to get that much done just threw that in the physical world will probably do a lot in the metaphysical world. But again, yeah in that manifesting balancing, you know meditation is very feminine. It's very much receiving its opening up and then doing consistent aligned action in your life. I feel like that's the very masculine side of manifesting. I like where you went with that. You know, it's it's maybe a good moment to bring that back to reality like so if you've already inquired into yourself deeply then you might already have an idea of what your assignment is and So within your assignment on this planet by like the reason why you're live on planet Earth right now, that's your assignment right and within that there might be some things that you need to do either daily or weekly or regularly, but there's some doing connected to it. And so especially when it's about what I call Planetary purpose or an assignment, you know, it's like you got to still have this feminine this flowing this this listening Essence, right? I believe like if I were to sum all this up into two short things it's listening and and song actually so because listening is is informing us, you know, Charles eisenstein, for example, it's quoted to say like, you know, if we were to listen to Mother Earth and we would feel and hear her pain we would stop doing everything we're doing to her. Yeah, and then the quote about singing is is one of my friends said this on the Green Planet Blue Planet podcast, when more people sing more people harmonize. And so that's kind of how for me this balance kind of looks it's about understanding where frequency first and foremost. We're in this body glove or human vessel or this Temple, whatever you want to call it. And that's amazing. That's fun. And it's organic and it's real and it's alive but also we're energy and as that energy like, how are we listening to the rest of the energy reality to the rest of Life? How are we a tuning which Again song is, you know, our words are sharp and Creed meaning and they create room for interpretation but a song, you know, if we're just doing like oh and you see you join me without you know, suddenly we have two waves merging and there's much less room for separation in that. It's just like cascading Unity that comes to summon and that's why forever tribes gathered and saying right ceremony of singing and harmonizing and feeling the vibration that's created is yeah. Really beautiful really important. I love that. There's there's listening hearing and then there's like really answering great. A lot of us know what were meant to do. We know that we're healers or were light workers or were coaches or were meant to be on stage or whatever. It is. Maybe were meant to be a mom or a dad and we just know that and then there's layers of conditioning or socialization or shame or worry or limiting beliefs that are blocking those things and I see that all the time with Well, I work with it's like oh, well, I know that I meant to be a Healer but followed by all of the excuses. Nobody would listen to me. I don't have the qualifications. I'm not beautiful enough. I'm not smart enough I have so much to do. I don't have the money to invest in it died at a tada. And so a lot of us suppress Our Truth and in my personal experience what I see from that is when we're not living in alignment with our divine assignment or a planetary purpose the body becomes a deteriorate because it's here for that. And so what I I have witnessed is a lot of illness and disease often stems from people living completely out of alignment with what their soul knows they came here to do 100% I think it's the metcon who says like you're already spirit. So you're not really on a spiritual journey. You are Spirit you you wear on our body is on a spiritual journey. And so if we don't take care of the body in a way that allows maybe, you know in my words to see That this is like a rather simple animal body, you know at the pace of it, but yet we're here in this body to evolve it to attune more to clean it into you know higher states of vibration, but also not in a phony kind of out of your head way like it's not about just saying buzzwords and being all pretentious about. Oh, it's so marvelous everything. It's like no life is real and sometimes it sucks and sometimes it's hard and sometimes it's easy and sometimes it's amazing and sometimes we celebrate in the End of the day, you know gratitude cuts through all of that and connect it again. Whoo, I love that. You said that that is one of my non-negotiables every single morning as soon as I become conscious. I allow myself to not just think about the things I'm grateful for but to fully allow gratitude to wash over me through me and to pour out of me and often especially recently. I wake up with tears in my eyes. Just thinking oh my God, I am so grateful. I have so much to be grateful for or at the energetic blueprint of gratitude allows you to create and attract and be more grateful and see more things to be grateful for and when you walk through your life having this Mega Energy body of gratitude and appreciation. You become completely magnetic 100 percentile of the magnetic gratitude example, like think of it in the metaphor. Like if you were to have a drum kit, right and you sit with your drum kit in the middle of a Town Square or like in the middle of Venice Beach or they pick up It's where there's a bunch of people around and you were to and the drum kit is you drumming the frequency of gratitude. And if you were to drum once an hour once bong bong bong, like once an hour, you know, no one around you would really take that in will get magnetized by people be like, what's that? Okay, this is Julian because of how handsome he is and then all the men and women would gather round just to witness and be in the present. Well, thanks, but also keeping going. The metaphor. Okay. So that was really good. But in that matter for just to keep rolling, thank you. It's warming my heart. That's so kind in that metaphor. If you actually do what sound does in the morning and you build momentum of gratitude in for 11 minutes or whatever you like about the bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump everyone on that square will start feeling that Sound hearing me like what's going on over there? Oh, that's a frequency. That's a resonance you now starting to actually beat a drum and Even though that might be internal when you do that on an energetic layer the moment you go out into society or you call someone that's felt that is felt the same way that the sound on the metaphorical drum kit is heard and so building momentum with gratitude makes for a marvelous moment. I love that building momentum with gratitude makes for marvelous moments alliteration. Just my heart's the language nerdom, you know as a my ha ha ha linguistic Alchemist and yeah, you know something that I've witnessed - personally is when you are move forward through your life with gratitude and with this emotional body of thanks and of positivity again with the magnetism most people that I meet as soon as I hug them and I greet them with a big smile. Like hey, I'm Samantha. It's so nice to meet you. They're like, whoa, who are you? Like I can feel your presence like come here. I want to be close to you. I want to get to know you. I want to play with you and networking and growing community and being open to new opportunities. In possibilities is exponentially it's just massive because people want to be around people that feel good and gratitude and appreciation and being thankful being positive is like a son it radiates warmth. It's my favorite metaphor ever. I love metaphors. You might have noticed because I feel like they're their intellectual reframes to let go of what he thought was true. And you see it slightly differently and the Sun is my favorite metaphor like be like the sun it always shines. Even if it's cloudy the sun actually shine. signs and so obviously from an environmental point of view Humanity our technology the way we create energy on this planet could learn a lot from the Sun and I think we're finally making our way there but also as individuals it's like you have a hard in the solar plexus that I kind of like the summit's beating as long as you're alive and it's sending Vibes out into the world and want to say one more thing about gratitude because you know, For everyone who feels amazing often, they also feel sometimes not amazing or you know have like an emotional moment. That's an up-and-down that's life. Right like as long as we're alive. We have the heart beat that goes up and down and that might be like not rock bottom, but it might just be emotional and the same goes with gratitude. There are moments when we think we're not grateful and shout out to our mutual friend David block David. If you watching that I read your latest post like a few days ago or so and he was he was saying that complaining isn't gratitude and He caught himself complaining regularly and that was resonating with me because you know, I'm definitely not a complainer. But sometimes I can hear this like it's not enough energy come out where I'm like, oh careful there because that's not really the energy. I am who I am. It's it's just something that's being practiced in the past. And so when we look at things that are technically not gratitudes like David was mentioning he had to fly 40 hours to get somewhere or like multiple flights and a trip that was 40 hours in at the end of Of it. It's like oh my back hurts. Fuck. I hate this, you know, and so that's maybe the narrative that's really easily available because like yeah 40 hours and you begged us hurry, but even bringing gratitude to that is like I am going to make in his case make music for a whole community in a different place in the world. I'm allowed to go to the Maldives. I got invited or in my case. I'm driving an hour through traffic of her in LA to meet Sam to record this, you know, I'm not going to be like, oh I hate this traffic because the traffic is going to be there if I hate it, or I don't hate it and some of those moments might be triggering sure but when I realize I'm actually grateful for being in that traffic jam right now because it's just what it is and I get to breathe and listen to a great podcast exactly. That was exactly at what am I going to put on? Yeah something that I love and so so and essentially we're sure we live and perceive reality through language through our words and words are coding. They're constantly coding Us and something that we often say is I have to do this. I have to drive across town. I have to take a 40-hour Flay. I have to do my work today. If you can consciously choose to reframe that and say I get to who the energy of well I get to drive to go see Sam. Oh, yeah, I get to fly to the Maldives. I I'm so fortunate that I get to perform in front of other people and the journey is a part of that I get to do this work that I feel so called to I get to work out today because my body loves it when you start to reframe I have to with I get to the energetic shift in that is so massive and you will feel a visceral actual cellular shift and upgrade. So that's my invitation to all of you. I want you to comment I accept if you accept that. Okay, I accept. Do stuff that. I accept that I definitely get to do a lot of amazing things and it really ties back in with what we said earlier life is not a to-do list. And if you have to do things your you actually operating from that perspective or that perception that there are two dues that need to be done in order to get to where you want to get to like earn the money or meet the person or whatever it is. And again the to do is is still there. And the the one hour through traffic is still there, but I get to do that. So that's actually my life Journey. I'm incarnate into this body to do this right now. And so it might sound funny to some people but that doesn't matter because I know it's true. It's the same as saying that energetic shift and your freedom inside is exponential because of those reframes it's so true and I've been stuck in the old program of complaining like sometimes I feel like complaining. It's very seductor e it feels so good. It's like you get in the spiral of bitching and complaining and like getting down. And when other people join in and you can both complain together, it's like yeah, but this and you spiral together and you like amp up the energy and it feels good your bonding together over how shitty is and and a lot of people are stuck in that and I know I used to really be stuck in that but consciously making that decision to shift that and to not allow yourself to be consumed by that type of energy it again, it's a practice right? And so just bringing in that conscious awareness of when you are falling into the Trap of complaining then asking you, how can I breathe, how can I tune in and how can I reframe this and how can I bring gratitude into this? I love it. There's another alliteration there because everything got his momentum, right so many moments make massive momentum many moments of complaining or mmmm for many moments of gratitude. It's like it's up to us, right like in and again, we said in the beginning to like the only like be down on yourself or like hate yourself for complaining sometimes it's just like when you watch yourself do that realize you don't have to you get to actually flip that you want to I didn't and even the flipping that it's like, you know, we live in this world where Instagram looks glorious and most people share only positive things on their Facebook and so forth and I've tried a few of that to actually does social media, you know, you will see me like because I like keeping it real. Yeah, and that's when I was just about to say is like keeping it real, you know, I think I do that if you like actually read my post on Instagram, you'll understand what I'm going through but it's like keeping it real to this moment where you realize okay, like it's not at all about being perfect. And of course that's intellectually super clear to everyone but like I had to check myself about like pseudo perfectionism a few times in my life. I'm like, why am I holding the bar to a degree where I can't achieve it anyway to then be down. Myself instead of just showing up in the best I can and this is my invitation for all of you is like no matter where you are in your life. If you're living a dream to the fullest and you just want more like ease of mind or if you are like in a day job that you don't really like make the most of every moment you're in right now. So like literally be all in because it changes the way that reality happens. You can be all in in a shitty day job and transform that day job within tutor six weeks either into another job. Or into suddenly being like the most seen and respected person that that shitty day job, like whatever it is, but if you're all in today and you don't look for reasons that are like nah, I mean, I wish but it's not really what I need to do and I wish I could do this other thing like that's not being all in that's that's finding excuses not to show up in this real life, but better isn't he great. This is why I this is I mean blessed blessed to know you but see friends. Thank you, Sam. Let me so much and if you have had the pleasure of meeting Julian and you haven't checked out his podcast yet. You gotta jump on that you get to jump on that. If this your first time being open to the wonder that is this man, he has so much going on. He has a great podcast. He has amazing offerings. He also does transformational coaching and so definitely connect at least on social media and if somebody wants to shoot me a message. Yeah, where would they connect with you? What's the Wait, there's so many ways. I mean you can check out my website Green Planet - blue planet.com. You can send me a message wherever you seeing this right now, it's Julian and coudl I miss my last name. It's got my Facebook, but honestly, like I like it most from people just are engaging in the content. We are already creating and then from there pick up a conversation like shoot me a message or send me a voice message like the more real we can engage in connection. I think the better for all of us and like sure everyone has a max of how many messages They can take in but you know, ultimately why do I do all the things I do? It's for the relationships. I'm forming a building. And so I invite you to send me a message. Can we close this out with like three beautiful breaths? Let's do it what to do a three-part breath three times. Yes, so well breathe in in three parts into our diaphragm into our lung into our Crown expand and then breathe out constructed. Okay. So let's breathe out first breathing into our belly. enjoy our lungs into our crown hold and breathe out. All the way out with your mouth or nose. Honestly, it doesn't matter. I usually breathe in with my nose and then breathe out with my mouth. Thank you breathing in with your nose into your belly and your chest. into your crown one two and breathe out slowing down the breath. And last one breathing in and adjust your crown.

Life is not a to-do list. We are on this planet to have an experience. In this episode there is so much good stuff:    Getting into flowstate through meditation and breath for optimal living  Advanced listening; learning from the trees. Allowing yourself to be where you are now and then atuning by shifting just 1 or 2 degrees. Transmuting energy through tantric practices  Expanding our awareness  & Coming into oneness    Julian is on a quest to showcase & display the key players in the regenerative movement, to make Planet Earth worth living on. He shares about what it takes for leaders and visionary creators to connect with purpose and create for self, others and the environment. You can work with Julian in a Coaching or Mentorship relationship, or find out more on the transformational Events he fosters on his website. Julian helps people connect with their true purpose beyond simple success metrics. He is an avid Yogi, long-time meditator and loves outdoor sports.

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We're talking about the fight between his girlfriend's right now all of that when we return I'm Maria Menounos and you're tuned in to AfterBuzz TV the ESPN. Hey guys, we are back. Back it is season 2. Can you believe this came full circle into a season 2 of our Kelly Shenanigans. We're talking start surviving R.Kelly season 2 episode 1 and please I need a moment to just breathe because I am deeply moved by this particular episode. So, my name is Angela Taylor. I will be your host and I have my beautiful panelists here. She is a former our Kelly fanatic turn. Turned mute, R.Kelly supporter. Yes, I am. My name is Jocelyn Giovanni, and I'm so happy to be here because this was a lot. Yeah, we I mean we didn't really expect it to turn into a part two, but after watching the first episode of season 2 and then everything that just happened it's like there could be a part three, you know my God. Sorry just kind of keeps unraveling and yes, everything is just unfolding. What were your overall thoughts about this particular episode well, Definitely just the more in-depth they went about his childhood. Yes, and you could get the sense of that just the the different size from both of his brothers. And you know, I know we'll touch on that. Yeah, absolutely. So it was one of those things that caught me off guard when I saw the interviews with his brother Bruce came out first and he was in jail and you really get a sense of like there. Is a real Brotherhood Jackson 5 upbringing that they had started with the music together and you can tell they're exactly who they are. Bruce has his older brother. And you hear that in his voice. You hear that and how he speaks about his younger very protective very protective of him. And that was you know, something for me to see like, you know while because I come from a big family. My mom has six kids. Wow. Yeah, so it's like, you know, and I have three brothers. And they've done some crazy things and it's like despite no matter how crazy it is. It's like that still my brother. Absolutely. There's this sense of like a protection. I feel towards them no matter the craziness they could do and that's what I saw between from Bruce as the older brother. You did get a sense of the youngest brother Kerry kind of just saying what it is, you know, like speaking out against the injustices that had happened to them as children. Whereas the oldest brother was still protecting his brother. I was very relieved during both interviews with both Kari and Bruce that they weren't not necessarily giving excuses for their brothers Behavior. They were explaining the history of it and not trying to excuse his behavior because several times it was mentioned. He needs help he needs help and they were giving us a touch of what it felt like to kind of empathize with our Kelly and his need for help and crying out and having a pastor come and Really sit in on his issues with his childhood and him knowing that he has perverted thoughts and perverted behavior and he needs to be delivered right because it's like, you know what when I was watching that scene, I started thinking of his music because it was like that was always what he used to get criticized for before we knew about all these things like, oh how one minute you're at your job panties. And then the next minute, it's Jesus Jesus Jesus. Yes. I wish I wish I wish you know, so when his brother told that story it's like wow, this is who he really is, you know personality dual personality that would limit describe our Kelly as another person and third person third every man is a dangerous man. That man is a fool. I was like, wow that was one of those moments where you connected the dots and you could understand like this is a mental illness happening right and unfolding right and it just came out in such a sexual way pretty much but like he's been needing help since Have from I mean since he was eight or six like seven eight. Yeah started it started out a young area even with the younger brother. So and you know, let's let's not act like I mean for me growing up, I remember it was such a normal thing from back in the day like in the 70s and 80s or whatever that for me growing up in the 90s my mother she would be like you better tell me if anyone ever touches me and he don't ever don't don't let anyone touch you but talking to like my mom. Some other family member older family members like family friends it pretty it was like not normalized, but it was kind of normal like a lot of people got touched as children, right and the day it was normal where you came up. I mean not where I came up, but I know a lot of people particularly within the black community. I have cousins. I have like fake aunts. You know what I'm saying? Fake uncle's people who would kind of come over and you can hear Is that was say or even like my grandmother cheers stories with me of things that happened to her and how when she would tell her mom. Sometimes her mom didn't believe her that was like a common thing that I would hear among older adults growing up. I totally get where you're coming from because every time I would like go to a homegirls house my grandma hated when I would do sleepovers or go to parties or anything like that and whenever I came over her house, and she noticed me being quiet or kind of Offish she would be like baby. Did anybody touch you I like it was one of those things was like no nobody touch me. I'm just in my zone, but you have like I'm saying like I'm not saying that it has never happened to me, but I know it's happened to people it within my family that are older like they were all growing up in like the 50s 60s and 70s and 80s, you know what I'm saying? So like I would feel like Bob 90s maybe people started being like hey, you better speak up, you know, but another thing that kind of stood out to me from his brother Bruce is when you know, like because when you said the comment like they weren't making excuses like no, he didn't necessarily make an excuse for him. But when he tried to go along the lines of saying, you know to have everything and for it's all be taken and now I'm back where we're going with this how low a that's the worst and I'm like you mean like being forced. Forced into basically a sex slave. Yeah and have to get in urinated on and having sex with minors are being a minor having sex. It's like what do you mean? Yes, and I can only take your word for so much because you wear an orange jumpsuit brother and I'm saying it was just like that was like a bit warped to me when he had the nerve to try to make it seem like our Kelly's gone through the worst thing ever right now. It will that's because you know, he's biased obviously and he's empathizing with all of these stories that Brothers telling him and speaking of stories. How did it make you feel my overall thoughts about this episode was it was very melancholy and there was a lot of poignant moments where I was like man like I didn't actually hate him because I was able to understand the history and it's not that I'm excusing it. I'm like, oh, okay like the light but when I'm like I know about him being molested but But I didn't hear these personal anecdotes like these actual stories from his brothers and what they all went through and this relative that they kept on trying to like blank out. So you wouldn't hear the name bright trying to protect their sister. Yeah, because I mean it they were still protecting her in the first season. They didn't really say her name, but it came out because the youngest brother Kerry was just being honest, so it was a little Me too. So I'm not sure exactly if they said her name in the first one or if I saw it in the blogs, but it was confirmed that it was the sister they were talking about so then for that for it to be in the second one where they're just keeping her name out. It's like wow you guys are really protecting the sister. Yeah, and it must have been at their request I would assume so do you know how much older the sister was? No member he said I mean, well he said in there she is the oldest member brother maybe because she was our age right but she was robbing old just a couple of years. It's probably just a couple of years difference. You know what I'm saying? Like it's crazy. So take me to the thoughts that was running through your mind when you heard the mr. Henry story when I'm Kelly was still yet because I'm now I'm thinking in my mind from the season one where we knew that it was the sister. So now here in the mr. Henry story. I'm like damn like he was getting molested and sexually assaulted by numerous more than one person as a child, right? I just I can't even imagine what that what that feels like, you know, so it did give me a little bit of a sense of understanding on maybe how heartless and why he's so heartless and cold because to do the things that he does to women two young girls there. You have to be a heartless cold person right? There has to be a part of you that just has no emotion at all, right and an inability to empathize and that probably been taken passion is gone. They probably Was taken from him as a child. So then there's just two sides of him, you know, and then when you're hearing his brothers talk about how quiet he was growing up. It's like you got to think like you don't even know what he was holding onto from just a young age then having to carry that and carry that but it's still hard for me. Yes, I empathize for anyone who goes through that as a child, you know any kind of trauma, you know as an adult whoever is somebody taking advantage of you it's horrible, but at the same In time it's like he still knew what he was doing was wrong and he just kept doing it and kept doing it. And then on top of that lying about it, it's like I what point were you ever going to really stop right and just go until you got caught right and even still because I think I think if you would have even stopped after the P tape, which that happened when I was in high school repeat a different High School. Everybody was talking about that hashtag p-type. Hey Pete and if he would Stopped in which that was the early 2000s? He okay not he all the charges were dropped whatever they didn't convict him in 2008, right you would have stopped in if you want to use that as like a alright learned lesson learned is my son or daughter again. I think from there with what could have possibly happened is still all of it when it started to come out, you know, because What's Done in the Dark always comes to the light, but I think that within that time he could have made a different image for himself that more people would be willing to defend him and be on his side, but It's like you have such a big amount of people who don't defend him and then a little tiny group of people who are defending him. Right as we also saw an episode of absolutely before we jump into our next heavy subject Jerusalem would like to share something with you viewers. Hey everybody. Thank you so much for making AfterBuzz TV the ESPN of TD talk whoop and we just want to let you know to like subscribe comment below subscribe to us on iTunes Google play whatever sharing platforms you use and keep our stars on iTunes thumbs up thumbs up on YouTube. Subscribe. Subscribe. Subscribe Let's Love. Absolutely. Thank you so much for that dresser. So the next thing I wanted to get Into was this little team. He has around him protecting him and defending him. He has little army and we saw two of two sisters and they were his managers and oh my gosh take me through your thoughts when they were saying basically that these women are lying and defending this whole ghost account that they have called surviving. I'm lies, which is basically posting nudes of the survivors, which actually proves that are Kelly did do something with them the fact that he has the footage and able to expose them and exploit blue like someone who's slow which we know that he is because he can't read or write what think that you shots fired. Let's put it where it's at. Only someone who like has some kind of learning disability would think that putting out I'm innocent we're but I got your text and I'ma put it out, right and you got proof that I sent you these threats, but nobody's gonna know like seriously like and then everyone around him. So what I thought of the two white women and I'm going to say that because it's I have two different comments that kind of goes to the level. So for one, it was very striking, of course that the only two white people People in this episode are two white women that are defending him and you know, there's always talk of you know, even the fact that it took this long for him to get caught where people are saying that's because these are black women that this was happening to he got caught a long time ago. They're just now doing something about it and let's be clear about that. We've been on about this for ages like since Alia. All right. So why did he can raise with her soul, right? So why did he get away with it for so long because now We're in this age of social media and speaking out in women empowerment and we are stronger as a culture to stand against this type of abuse, right but they were turning a blind eye to it. Like many people say the reason people were turning a blind eye is because it was primarily black women and when you thought talk about those debates just like you were right now, we're still going through an epidemic of sex trafficking. Yes transgender women black transgender women. Being murdered and it's not highly publicized in the media and there is talk among the black community that the reason a lot of these things get ignored and not highlight highlighted and publicity is because they're black. So when I when I as a black woman keeping that in mind and then I see two white women now discussing call in a group of black large group of black women liars all of them. It was just okay with that was crazy to me and then in addition to you know, how history where people Always say like, you know people believe the word of a white woman, you know, a white woman could cry wolf and everyone's like, oh my gosh. Oh my gosh help her. So so now then see these two white women doing the exact opposite and said to finding the wolf. It was so crazy to me. I was just like wow because I first when they first popped on the screen, I was like, oh he's definitely going down now they got some stories on him too. Hmm, but they were sitting here defending him and they're like, we you got they were victims not victims. I thought they were gonna say, Say what they saw is working. Okay. Got you got when they were like we never saw a thing and these women are lying and it's like really like it just it and it didn't even sound authentic. They were on there on his payroll first. Yes. Why are you even giving a testimony because I can his payroll like he paid them and he felt like oh, yeah get the two white girls pay them and have them go and do this documentary and defend me that because there's something about having Caucasian testimony, right? Like if ever we hear something and it came from someone white, we're like, oh that must be the truth because this this is accredited because it came from a white person. Right and it's like again it gives you a look into his weird. Mine like his weird. I don't want to call him names but sometimes it's like you want to call him names because it's like I can't force a that these for sure say these girls are telling the truth, but I can't for sure I said they're lying either and it's just too many of them with similar stories to say that they're lying. But I'm gonna say he's lying right? It's disgusting. So this particular episode focused on faith Rogers one of his victims and her everything she went through trying. Speak out for herself. She brought in her lawyer Gloria Allred very popular Defender and all of his victims. They are getting threatened harassed. They're paranoid. They have to move their lives are turned upside down from supporters of our Kelly and there's no going back from this point. They will always be remembered as one of his victims and how would that like Like can't you figure out how you would be a day in the life of someone like Faith Rogers. I mean her father was a pastor for crying out loud. Like she was supposed to be the role model daughter and it really resonated with me when she says not only is she now depressed but just being around her family and stop like how she stopped going to church. She's too ashamed to stand up his daughter because she I lied and she basically humiliated the entire family and she's wearing that cloak of Shame and disdain everyday and she's having these constant reminders on social media and out here in the world at stores. His other victims. I would say that her child. She has to run away from a store at the mall because she's being her life is in danger. Her child's life is in danger because Cuz of them being able to speak out for themselves and having other people like who defend our Kelly at their throats 24/7 crazy, but for her, I definitely if she's not already. She should you know get therapy Char array key. Try who Reiki I believe in I like Reiki energy energy cleanse. Oh, okay. I thought it was a person. No. No, it's a form of therapy and spiritual healing. Okay, because she needs deep deep rooted. Mmm, treatment mmm and mental psychological emotional spiritual and with her saying the things I love how insecure she feels now amount her family and just everything it gives me it gave me a sense of what insecurity she might have already been feeling that allowed her to entertain that situation after she already saw the shaky sense of it to still continue to kind of date him. More see him she said she was sheltered and that's typically what happens a preacher's child is typically yeah neighborhood. The one of the worst part. I know and I hope they learned that to the I'm sure the parents learned that to like Sheltering doesn't really solve the problem. You know, it really doesn't you know, like I was saying my mom has six kids or with my two older sister. She was so strict with them and they both ended up, you know become a teen moms and so with me she just Was a little bit more of like a friend to me laugh and she just let me know just draw some please don't get pregnant and I still haven't got pregnant to this day, but it's like net looking at now. It's like what's taking you so long? Yeah, I would say that for parents like Faith Rogers parents. I hope they could look at their story and see and try to switch things up. If you're being too strict and sheltered with your children because I never it never solves anything and make them more Curious to learn. What is out there and experiment So we're going to March right into our special segments the most shocking moments and the most shocking moment for me was when the two ladies defended his axe with all of the proof and all of the evidence that you can ever muster up right against our Kelly and they're still calling the victims Liars. That was one of my most shocking moments. What was your last name would agree with you? For me it was that scene. I mentioned earlier where the oldest brother Bruce kind of explained. Our Kelly's current situation and said like this is like this is hands down the worst thing that can happen to someone and I just couldn't believe he had the nerve to say that out of his face. Yeah when you know for a fact that your brother has done this to all these women. So how what do you mean? How is that not horrible freaking Andrea Kelly was knocking on the door asking if she could go to the bathroom. Yes. That's a hot-ass mess though. So, you know, I don't know. I don't know. Mmm. That was the most shocking to me. But also what else was shocking to me not shocking but it was interesting to see just how many more people now feel comfortable speaking up after the first documentary came out. You can see Angela Yi's in part 2 now Damon - it's just interesting. Like ok. Now after the first one came out and everyone's now bashing our Kelly now everybody's feeling more comfortable. Yeah, and this second one and Out against it that was a little funny. It was a nice twist to see Ali has fiance Damon Dash and the interviews and he's like if he did that to my daughter he's dead like there is no sympathy. There's no forgiveness. He's dead. So that was really interesting because you forget that him and Alia were engaged at the time of her death and how he must have felt about our Kelly. His strong feelings towards that particular person and then there's all of this drama happening when his fiancee illya is she was one of the first stories we heard about with him messing with, you know, underage women. Yeah, and yeah, I you know, I it was different back then so whatever so that's why I thought it was an interesting to see that Damon Dash is in this one and he wasn't in the first one. Hmm just because they did talk a lot about The Alia relationship in the first one. So we'll see if you know when that part comes up if they're going to give different information because you know a lot of it that's why I was still wondering like, okay. Where is it going to go with this with the second one? Because they gave so much information in part 1, you know, yes, so it's like what else? You know, what else is there? Oh speaking of what else guys Joseline has our news and gossip honey. Well, I mean the news Gossip is all over town yesterday. It went down with if you can remember after part one came out two of our Kelly's current girlfriends appeared on Good Morning America as you as we are Curry and joycelyn Savage and they were defending our Kelly they were saying all of the allegations are false. Everybody in the documentary is a liar. Well, well well speed up to less little less than a year. Later. And they're fighting and now as real is saying our Kelly is a liar. He's been lying from day one. She called out joycelyn for sleeping with a minor. And that minor was me speaking of you know meeting Azrael news, you can use. Yes and they were physically fighting on Instagram live. We also saw Azrael giving her police report to the police on on live and it seems as though Azrael is breaking out of the pied Pipers trance. Right and it leaves everybody question. Why what what led to her change in this situation because just a couple of months ago. She was defending him. Oh, yes. She was the main spokesperson. She and that interviewed her and joycelyn, right and so pretty much what we're seeing in the video and what she's saying and that police report is Once she started saying like, you know, joycelyn, you slept with a minor in the minor was me. That's when joycelyn just started attacking her we can see it in the video Joyce and saying you're so evil. And she was like, how am I evil I need to protect myself and so as we was on the process of moving out of our Kelly's house like oh take his Grammys or whatever and it's like what is happening? And this all happened on our Kelly's birthday? Yes and while he's in jail, talk about karma. Karma. Karma my godson in the dark always. Slight absolutely soaking of Darkness. We're in a dark about where this is going. So we're going into predictions right now is TV predictions. So my prediction with all of this Scandal acity happening all of this live and all of these fights and things going on. I just I simply don't know where it's going. But I think that as Jocelyn said whatever is done in the dark is going to come to light and it's coming to a head right now as real Cleary is definitely sounding off right now and I don't think she will be back pedaling at this point. This is the Point of no return she's moved out of his house. She's got into it with their girlfriend hers and our Kelly's girlfriend. Joycelyn, and she's about to hit the fan right? I think that thou after what just happened with the fight with Azrael on. Joycelyn R.Kelly still denying the allegations then you know other other news that came out that I'm not sure if it's in this one if when one of the security guards are former manager admitted Said that he got the fake ID for Aliyah during the marriage. So well, I think it could also lead to a part three of this because there's still so much and unfurling with this story because he has so many skeletons. He made so many tapes he's had so many encounters with girls who are now women hate other true. He should have been like he missed his calling. He should have been like a director for pornos, right or he should have been a journalist because he likes to journal all of his bad behavior that Crazy crazy. Does that psychotics criminals? I cannot wait to see what happens in episode 2 next week. I'm going to be talking about it. We're going to have a full panel next week. So please tune in. My name is Angela Taylor. I've been your host and where can we find you can actually find me on Instagram at I'm Jill Taylor underscore. You can find me on Twitter. I'm Jill Taylor underscore. You can find me on Facebook on Joe Taylor work. We find you Jocelyn. You can find me on Instagram at Jocelyn's Eva. Je R OS L YN Diva and Twitter to just add 0 8 to the end because the last one got hacked. Okay guys. Thank you so much for tuning in. We look forward to seeing you next week. Bye our founder Keven undergaro and me Maria Menounos would like to thank you for tuning in to AfterBuzz TV. 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Season 2 Episode 1: Interviews with R. Kelly's brothers, inmate Bruce Kelly and younger brother Carey Kelly giving personal accounts of their childhood molestation from a "close relative" and a neighborhood man, Mr. Henry. They recall in uncomfortable detail the very beginning of Kelly's indecent exposure to sex at the tender age of 6. The episode focused on one of his underaged victims, Faith Rogers and her parents. They give shocking accounts of the disturbing threats and torment Kelly and his "handlers" have put them through, which triggered Faith's epileptic seizure. At the first premiere of "Surviving R. Kelly," we learned that the event was brought to an abrupt stop with a threat from an "unknown source" which made everyone evacuate and Kelly's victims ran scared back to their hotel rooms. R. Kelly's caucasian Manager sister-duo denies all allegations of sexual abuse and supports the ghost account "Surviving Lies" which slams and exploits nude photos of every victim that comes forward. It shows viewers that Kelly will stop at nothing to silence his victims and keep them under his control. Hosts Angele Taylor and Jeroslyn Jovonn end with the juicy fight between Kelly's current girlfriends, which was posted Live between Azriel Clary and Joycelyn Savage. Let us know how you feel about Azriel's new stance against her now ex-boyfriend R. Kelly as she moves out of his home! Today's After Show Was Hosted By: Angele Taylor (@angeletaylor_ ) and Jeroslyn Jovonn (@jeroslyndiva) Follow us on http://www.Twitter.com/AfterBuzzTV "Like" Us on http://www.Facebook.com/AfterBuzzTV For more After Shows for your favorite TV shows and the latest news in TV, Film, and exclusive celebrity interviews, visit http://www.AfterBuzzTV.com --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast.

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How are we saying this year 2020 welcome to this new decade episode. Yep of nightmare on film Street. I am Kim. I am John and it's a new year. Although it doesn't quite feel like it because I have not slept at all since last year you have I keep using that joke, there was there was a dad at the grocery store yesterday was like up. That's it. I'm not buying any more. Is the rest of the Year everybody had a good little chuckle. I'm sure next year. He's gonna try and get a bigger audience. Yeah, so we're actually at time of recording this we are halfway through our New Year's Day marathon over on Facebook. We have been streaming silver screams since midnight last night the stroke of midnight for Eastern time, and we've been going we have been going I tapped out after three or four movies. I made it till 7 a.m. I said something about Dawn. I remember saying something about Don and then I didn't make it. So don't I said that in the comments when I woke up I checked out and it was like 7 10 and then I didn't make it the other eight minute. That's insane. And I was like that's a really cool idea of see you in the first one. But yeah, we are on film 15 or 16. I think we're doing almost 20 films a bunch of you have joined us. Thank you so much. It's been so fun chatting with you guys and watching classic horror a lot. Holmes I hadn't even seen before we did fill the the like the dead hours of the night with some lesser known titles. I mean, hey, if you're an early riser you get to wake up a spider baby. That's a weird one. Yeah. That was a weird one. I woke up a few times now is like soon. Hey, I woke up enough time to see Jack Nicholson and in The Little Shop of Horrors. I don't know sit and watch a positive. He's always been a crazy dude. Yeah always been saying he's got that unhinged smile. We kicked it off with House on Haunted Hill work. Currently right now playing another Vincent Price movie at the time of recording but we were also we also threw in the two movies that were going to be talking about today from the silent film era including Nosferatu and a Cabinet of dr. Caligari. Yeah. This is our first time talking silent film on the podcast. I think we've wanted to do it for a while, but we just didn't really have an excuse because it's just like, how are we gonna get our our 90s loving mm loving audience, you know all the way back to 1920. We're like, holy shit. 2020 so that's why we birthed this January theme all month long at the podcast and on our website and ofs podcast.com. We are celebrating silver screams. So it's a new decade. We're honoring the film of yesteryear. We're going to be talking silent horror and black-and-white horror modern and classic. So it's going to be great. Yeah. It's sort of expanding on the monthly column that our contributors Tiffany Cole has been doing for a while called Silent screams focusing specifically on classic horror. Of yesteryear not just silent film but occasionally silent film and you know your fan your favorite Vincent Price movies anything black and white just like pitch dark contrast. It's they're usually very Gothic very haunting and I am really excited for the month that we have lined up editorials and just highlights like this is gonna be a great month for recommendations. And if you've considered yourself the kind of person that has a hard time with black and white horror movies. We are here for you. We get it it's harder to watch their Lately different viewing experiences, but I think we've got a lot of great recommendations that even you will like if you're not necessarily into that genre also, it's just really cool to watch movies from the 20s in the motherfucking 20s. There's something really I don't know. It feels like we're in a really special place in time that we can kind of exist a century after the birth of Cinema and the birth of horror. Yeah. These movies are almost at the movies we're talking about today are almost a hundred years old. Yeah. Wonderful. Yeah, it's crazy that they still exist. It's awesome that we get to watch them and they're in the public domain. So technically you own them. They belong to all of us because it's culture. Yeah, actually if you missed out on our silver screams Marathon all of the movies that we played this New Year's Day have been in the public domain so they are on our Facebook page and you can watch them at facebook.com slash Nightmare On Film Street, including Nosferatu and Cabinet of dr. Caligari. If you need to watch them before the rest of this episode bringing things into the more modern, In 20s right now coming to the theater this week the honestly January 2020 is gonna be a great month or so many movies coming out. Yeah usually get one and everybody likes to you know, talk about the early part of the year is I'm still hibernating. I'm cool with it. Yeah, let's you owe me to go from inside to inside. I can do that. I can really really do that. Most of the theaters were have reclining seats. Now. It's we can do this. Yeah. It's pretty great coming this weekend. We've got the grudge directed by This passion who did piercing and eyes of my mother another black and white horror movie. Whoa coming Full Circle The Grudge trailer looks spooky. I'm into it her creepy wet hair is looks Chris. How is it look creepier than the wet hair. We had previously. I do not understand. I don't know too much about The Grudge franchise. So I'm going into this one fairly blind and I'm really excited for it. Can't wait. We've also got underwater just around the corner next week and then two weeks after that. The Turning which I mean, hey Gothic horror as welcome. Any time of the year will be recording a patreon exclusive bonus episode of The Grudge our drive home from the drive-in review. That will be hitting patreon.com slash Nightmare On Film Street at some point this weekend and I will also be or one of us will be writing a review for the website. So expect that sometime Friday. Hopefully. Yep at and ofs podcast.com and speaking of patreon. Of course. I want to give a quick shout out to our most recent patrons are supporters first ones of First ones at twenty twenty thousand twenty. I still don't we're saying 2020. We've been saying 2019 2018 2017. I don't even know that. I think we're going to stick with 20/20. It's gonna be here for a little while. But one it makes it sound like the future. They're like, we're here in 2024. Oh that does sound. Yeah. It doesn't say that year like a one of those clocks that that's got square numbers wake up Carl. It is 8:43 a.m. You have missed your bus. Carl you're late for work. It's the year 2036, but I want to give a quick shout out to our most recent Patron. So, you know in true silent film fashion. Let's throw up that title card. Did you also your names? Alright, it's audio, right? Okay. Let me read that for you. I just want to give a quick shout out to Alex Taylor Mallory Michelle Kimball Adam and katharina. Thank you all so much where your flapper dresses. String up those long pearls everybody get your ankles out. It's gonna get wild this decade. Whoo. No one's gonna stop us that's good ankles at it's great. It's the sequel to knives out. It's the prequel denies that really ankles out ankles out. But without further Ado, let's get into the silence scares of this week's episode that we are calling coffins and cabinets and let's kick it off with 1922 s not Sera to nice variety or Nosferatu. I don't know depends who you ask if you ask Joe Hill has a zero son of a bitch. From 1922 FW murnau? I don't know it's pronounced but sure his famous film Nosferatu is currently sitting at a seven point nine out of 10 on IMDb 4 out of 4 from Roger Ebert 97 percent on Rotten Tomatoes and 3.9 and a 5 on letterboxed guys. I don't know. We brought this up in the intro because that's in the future. But it's the 20s Roaring 20s are back in the 20s talking about the 20s. Jin is cheaper than it's ever been vampires are plentiful with funny ears funny copyright infringing years confetti was just invented and no one's sick of it. Yeah. Yes 20s, that's so cool. You start dressing like a flapper. I have already started. Okay, just lots of beads frilly stuff knees out while you're dancing sneezed out. So I know there's lots of friends. Yeah and a feather a single feather all but like hella long feather. Yeah, like an antenna I so we're talking about NOS ferrata to Chances Are you've heard of this movie? You've seen his great works SpongeBob SpongeBob SquarePants. That's right, flick a light switches and shit. But have you actually seen it if you haven't it's on YouTube for free. It's not Public domain check it out. In fact, this movie isn't supposed to exist. That's my favorite part about it. That is my favorite part about it. This movie is a I can't even say loose adaptation other than the name and Cara, I believe I believe the the phrasing on the poster and in the movie is is freely adapting Bram Stoker's Dracula. Yeah. It's a very free wielding. Oh, yeah Temptation. The plot is similar enough to Dracula. It's got all those main beats. We don't have sir. And Helsing but count or lock is both very much like Dracula and not like Dracula at all, which is really cool. But yeah, the estate of Bram Stoker was like nope, and the court was like they're right and they ordered all of the copies to be ripped like deleting. Yeah. Don't eat it first at the funeral pyre py re yeah from what I understand in an article that was published. On Blum has a few years ago. Somebody sent her the the Widow of Bram Stoker a poster and I don't know if it was like a brag or a dig or what but they somebody involved probably the director sent her a poster and that was what started everything went. Well and I don't I don't know why it still exists. I from not exactly sure who in particular kept copies of this film. I like to imagine it. Like theater owners who had copies of it in their own possession and they're like, yeah. I'm not deleting this deleting why I think the craziest thing about this story though, is that okay? So we're flashing back a hundred years. Ninety eight years to 1922 when Nosferatu is out. It is based off of a novel from like 1879. So it's only a novel that's like 40 years old that is blowing my brain. Yeah. It was my brain. And that that's like when this That 70s Show came out in the 90s for the show for what I know I brought this up before but I'm just like I don't how we should have like that. So 90s show or whatever when we when we did House of Wax and they were doing a period thing and they were doing it in like the 50s. I was just like this is bowing my mine. It's also probably because the 90s it's also probably because when you think of Nine, that's a 200-year old property. Yeah, I gots hello. So you think because Frankenstein Dracula? They're all their buds right you at least I do my gonna speak for you think of Dracula as being as old as story Bram Stoker's Dracula is hella old bro. He in my head not quantifying it with this new Millennia. It's just a decade. I don't know. I'm making it such a big deal. I'm done. 30 of these know I've done three. Yeah. Yeah. I'm just an idiot, but I just think that it's really interesting when you get to like have something to Stanford and time like okay a hundred years ago. Dracula was only 40 years old like Dracula wasn't even a cougar yet. Yeah, like people were still very familiar with Dracula. The books had not gotten tested. There was maybe only a second edition print is basically the it like with the equivalency of like a Stephen King adaptation for them. That's so true. Yeah. Oh that the seller is finally getting adapted. Oh, I can't believe they finally made the man stoker Thriller and by all accounts a technical achievement of its time especially in regards to the stop-motion animation of his tombstones his his coffins his Covenant and stores and stuff. Yeah, I mean doors are easy to accomplish the coffins. That's an impressive shit. They did a good job and fucking or lock when he comes up in the boat when you like whoop anything he stands up amazing. My favorite is when he is loading Kaufman's himself onto a carrot. Yes, and then he gets into one and the coffin levitates up on top don't live and I didn't the carriage just directs itself to the port where I assumed he'd even need a ship crew. I have no idea. Why don't ya why yeah, he needed somebody to eat the actual visual effects in Nosferatu surprise me. Every single time. I see them. Yeah, and I don't know if that's because I don't watch enough like really classic horror films. Like I think the farthest I generally go back in my watching and probably Dracula 1931. So I'm not watching a lot of silent film and the great thing about silent film is it's got this cool marriage between ween theater and the cinema we know and love now. Yeah that doesn't quite exist today because there's especially with like the German expressionism films because of all the skewed angles and like Picasso Enos of them, but there is a lot of staging that you see typical to stage plays and they're playing to the back of the house till yeah, and it just makes everything look so hyper stylized like in especially when you're looking at the women of the Like with the long thin eyebrows and the little black Cupid bow lips and they're so caricature E. I just fucking love it. Yeah it reminds you how good your brain is it just deducing facial expressions because one of the things I love about silent film is that it like there are there is always music you are never just plunged into absolute silence there is accompaniment, but for the most part the dialogue cards that you're seeing are not the Higher conversation. It's just like the key parts that you would need. It's almost like a tldr of what just happened. But the facial expressions you can actually watch the majority of a conversation and get everything without getting any of the details and that's because there's so expressive in these movies because yeah, it's like a play in there, you know, whether or not you can hear them. They still you still need to be able to pick up on the information from what you can see. Yeah, and your brain is so good at that your brain totally understands what's happening. When people are being given bad news or they're elated about something you are with them on that journey and more than just going to a movie theater now silent film regardless of where you watch it takes you in immediately because you have to pay attention to it. And that's I guess what I'm saying. I really appreciated watching silent film. It's been a long time and I love how much your brain and your eyes are a detective for things. Yeah, and it's so similar and very different from when we watch foreign films because with foreign films we watch them with captions. So you are stealing time from one or the other like you're understanding what everybody's saying, you're not getting all of the visual cues from the actors. Whereas with silent film you get to do both. Yeah, and there's something to be said about the fact that the dialogue cards come after the scene. So you get to see everything play out and it's like you you brought into the written portion of the text with all the emotion. From the scene acted out. So like you know, the wife is distraught that cutter is it hunter or Huger? I'm not sure Huger sounds more like a German name, but you can tell that she's very distraught by her body language and how she's acting and him running around and packing his suitcase, you know where they're coming from in each of the seeds as almost like a silent films version of emojis. Like it's giving us, you know, how we we send texts and stuff now we we filter them. M with a lot of that emotion like because you're like, oh is this going to be taken the wrong way even with emails like I and emails with Smiley's how unprofessional that is because you're trying to force like a connotation to the words you've written. Yeah. Nobody's laughing out loud. It's just to show that there's some sarcasm or cheekiness to what you're saying. Yeah and silent film basically executed being able to condense emotion and context of a film down to a couple sentences, which I did a crazy a really good point, but you're so fucking right like cuz you know, how Everybody's feeling before you get context for why they're feeling that way. It's such a cool way to watch movies. And I mean just going back to what you were talking about in terms of special effects or lock count or lock looks amazing my God amazing so good. And the thing too is that like all these movies these really classic horror films have been restored. So they're all in like pristine condition. Apparently, we watched a 4K restoration, but fucking like I saw we're logs eyebrow up close and it's just Just his fingers and shit two right hands and my hands are so good Max Schreck the actor playing count or lock. It comes from German theater. So there's a pretty good chance. He did his own makeup. That's just how it was. You did your own makeup in theater. That's so cool. And that's the scene that comes to from an understanding of like Silhouettes and how things are going to play because even the sets in oarlocks Castle Mansion, whatever are designed for what his character looks like when he stands in a doorway and it is only an inch taller than his head and its got like a Pointy Peak he looks amazing and every location he stands in the contrast of his white pointed Claws and his black squared off cloak and he's standing in like a column and you're just like, oh are you talking specifically about that? One moment. How did it shows up? Yeah, they're all started. There is a uh moment later on. It's maybe the first night maybe a second night in where hutter is in his room and either the door opens by itself or I think the door opens at the by itself or huh door opens it just to see what what's going on outside and you can see count or lock like down the hallway just his fucking and are oh my God, I forgot about that that was on and we've seen this movie before that was one of the most unsettling things. I've seen all year it gave me my theory for how I think count oral or like my fan theory on count orlok. That's what that when he's wearing his hat turbine thing. Oh, yeah, he's a man. Yes. And when when you see him bald he is Vampire or Lockheed is the count. Yeah, because whenever you see him at his most devious he's bald head and the pointed ears and you see like the bat like form, whereas when he's wearing the like the hat to disguise. He's doing business stuff. Like yeah, we're more human type things and when we see him brooding in the corner, he looks like he's not human. Yeah. Oh man. So like we're like never really looks human. But like he really looks like he has no human qualities behind his eyes. He's carrying around coffins full of dirt. That's some heavy shit. He's lifting that luggage. No problem. I love how fast or look just like fucks off in this. Yeah. He really does soon as he catches wind of hunters pretty girlfriend and the property Deeds are all signed and good. There's no Brides that hold her back. There's none of that like there's the mosquitoes you your that's how we got those two identical marks. This is the teal your mosquito better. Tell my wife and three months right, but then he just leaves. He packs up his coffins and he's out of there. And so Hunter begins his really long journey of chasing after him, which this movie does dedicate a lot of time to boat travel. Like there are I think I do I think life just had to dedicate a lot of time to boat travels like to ax where they're on the the boats. Yeah. Did he try we didn't see him travel by boat, right? I just assumed it was also my boat. Yeah. Okay, my my one of my absolute favorites It's because hutter I'm cuter. I'm not sure his expression his emoting in this movie is so good. He is so carefree and just like really excited about thing. You know, what I pictured Kenneth Branagh as gilderoy Lockhart Harry Potter. That scene where he's he's exclaiming that he's going off to Transylvania and and and Alan is very upset about it. And she just had not have a good feeling but he's practically yeah, it breaks my heart because she's just like move the window and he's like throwing suitcases in the background were like Kermit with his hands in the air just flailing and stuff. But my absolute favorite is when we we are at the cabin before he's making his Trek up to or locks. Castle and he's gotta wait out the night is these the idea because there's werewolves about it like a hyena, but I do love in this movie how we have there's multiple ways that our information is given to us. Like we see the books people are reading. We are actually looking at the letters people are riding. And in this one, we have a book about Nosferatu about the vampires and how they come out and they essentially we're giving the rules of the vampire and when we cut back Take cuter. He goes ha ha the funniest thing that he's ever seen in his life. It's it's so great because like we're reading the horrors and we're being scared but like this guy is really not buying it and to his detriment the effects win or lock for shows up her pretty great though. The the Phantom Carriage. Oh, yeah when he picks him up and it's basically just like a carriage on Fast Forward running through the woods. Yeah, and there's one part where it kind of goes off the road a little bit like they catch themselves, and it's great that you Definitely back then one take the first take was the best take like unless something absolutely went wrong. They do do a ton of little tricks though with the camera because there are there's quite a few moments where or lock will back out of a room and then not seamlessly obviously by today's standards, but for back then would have been pretty fucking amazing. We're just the doors black at the end like and he's not there at all. Yeah, and I mean by the restoration standard you can kind of see the cut. It like there are some moments where there's some like we filmed an empty room and then we filmed something on top of it and we do a little cut here and it looks crazy cool. Yeah, it's nuts. I can't get over how much or lock just carries his own coffins around especially when he shows up to town because the boats everybody in the boats been killed. There's some fear of a plague so nobody wants to go near the boat because he brings rats. With him. Yeah. Well, yeah, they break open one of those coffins it's full of rats, but he just kind of carries those coffins from the boat to his abandoned house to his new house has its own fucking moat. No one notices. Yeah. No one sees its great. I re-read an article that one of our contributors Heather powderly wrote in 2018 actually about Nasser ah to and it's a great read. You should check it out at NOS podcast.com just search for Nosferatu and then I remember editing it. I See the movie in a while. I re-watched it afterward but like bolded italicized underlined like carries his fucking coffins. No one notices it I died laughing reading it. Oh man. The cool thing about or lock is that he's got kind of a different motive when he gets to the Americas and the do you think I assume no idea or England? I don't know sir. I just assumed we went from Germany to Transylvania, which I did. Don't think needed a boat ride, but I guess said you gotta Point wherever he ends up. Yep. He's gotta go across new world or whatever is that he's basically starts drinking the whole town. But or lock doesn't make new vampires. No, he is just killing people and so he comes like the plague and which is the plague and that's what if the plague never existed. Well, that's the thing too is that that's that's the lore that vampires were birthed out of yep, because these diseases Is would come in the night and take your family members and like different houses would be affected and people would get sick and they would they would come ill and they get weak and then they get weaker and weaker and they finally died and people were very religious during this time because obviously like medicine wasn't caught up to the diseases that were rampant. And so like the these crazy lures were born in these fictional stories about like Monsters coming in the night and yeah vampires if you think about them like they are the plague. Yeah, and it was something about like a area as well that would lay dormant and could survive for a very long time. So like you would get sick weeks or months later and it would be the exact same thing and the idea would be that like in Salem's Lot your family member was coming back from the grave to kill and drink your blood just fucking nuts because like yeah, like families would would slowly get infected over months and years until the whole family was gone. Yeah. I mean like until we understand things we will always have myth and it's how we are able to L each other such great stories and you know now that we live in an age of Science and everything is in explaining age of son sighing. We have left our superheroes. This is why we don't have Original Stories We need myths guys, we need tragic no kidding. Um, we need unexplainable things and we just need ways to rationalize them. And I love that about human beings. I think that's so great. And I think that's why the stories that have persisted for so long like Frankenstein and Dracula are born out of and a needs to And the world around us and in some way they still do like I have watched and read versions of Frankenstein so many times and every single time. I see I feel like I learn more about the human experience, but the stories never changed and it's okay because it's because they're Timeless. They're the reason why they're like the pedestal Horrors because they're so perfect for every human experience that even though we have computers in our pocket today and insulin. We still understand the most classic body horror. Now. What do you what do you think about the rules to kill or luck? Like you think it's just like oh if he if he's getting some of that good blood he's gonna lose track of time if he drinks after Dawn and he's fucked. Yeah. I think it's fun. I like it to have to make a simplified rule that's going to carry through a silent film. So they needed something that could be demonstrated visually and the the clucking of a A rooster at dawn and the clock tower is like that's as on the nose as you can get ya and the sun coming up which and I also fucking like that Ellen saves the day. Yeah, she fucking rules. Yeah, and because specially for how she started the movie and making her such like a sad little Wallflower. Yeah because she's just like lost her bones. What will I do and she was so sad at the lake waiting for the letter and then he was like, I got me a bit by mosquitoes. I miss you. So the fact that she is his undoing. I mean she also maybe dies but have yeah, she did it. She didn't need the help of anybody. She does it secretly and she just like lets it happen and she saves the day she's a fucking chance butter is too busy being Kenneth Branagh has such a good description. You know, I think it's worth saying especially given that we're talking about the sun coming up one thing that it was kind of hard occasionally was and it again, you know, It's silent film the cameras are not incredibly strong. We need a light source in order to capture. These pictures was trying to figure out what scenes took place during the day in which took place at night. Any time you saw or lock. It was supposed to be nighttime despite her, right it is yes. Well, it's just exterior shots. Look inside. You can fake it a lot like, oh we got candles no big deal like you have candles at night. There were so many scenes where it's just like it looks like he's walking around in broad daylight and you know the thing that was well. Yeah, but it's supposed to be nighttime the thing that fucks you up. The most is is Francis Ford Coppola has Bram Stoker's Dracula because they're like, oh, yeah Dracula, you know, you know against common belief can walk around during the day he could oh, yeah. It's very meets mean a meter like the Marco. You're right. He's like I have crossed oceans of time. Yeah, right and I wear sunglasses cause it's very bright. Yes step inside my top hat and I'll feed you some Essen. Let's go in the Seedy brothel. Oh, yeah. We're just like he wants to eat her. I can oh man. One thing. I really liked watching Nosferatu this time around is we're a lot more familiar with Salem's Lot now. Oh sure and it made no será to a funner watch for me because I know that the character design of Barlow lean really heavily on warlock. There aren't a lot of vampires that have that bat like look. Yeah. It's like the long pointed ears and the bald head but the story of Salem As lot seems so much more Nosferatu now that I'm comparing both of them. Okay Nosferatu is yes. It is a kind of like a bastardized Dracula but the coming of the plague kind of thing and like the nightly murders of people in the town and how he is still interested in Ellen, but he's more just there to like feast and party and ravaged this area. Yeah Phelps very similar with Salem's Lot. So that's a good point. I don't know if I I knew Enough about I was familiar enough with Nosferatu to draw those connections when we were watching Salem's Lot the school. Yeah, you know the interesting thing like because yeah, they move into town and Salem's lot and then they slowly just kind of like take over that is something that I continually forget about the Dracula story. Nobody comes knocking on his door to ask him to move to London, right? He approaches a real estate agent because he wants to buy property. He's already thinking of moving he's all right come and then like, oh, my reincarnated girl is there. Yeah. All the better really roll the dice on this one. It paid out now hard question for you. Are you ready Nosferatu? How do you rate this movie? Yeah. I don't know how to rate it because any other scale that we've used has been based on Modern filmmaking, you know what I mean? Yeah and a 4 out of 4 or something like that or like a three and a half out of four or three out of four even feels like like lip service like all those times. We were like, oh, yeah, but is it on Rotten Tomatoes when it Release kind of thing like anything that's really old gets that like retrospective rating where you just appreciate something. That's really good and it is a Marvel of filmmaking and it's wonderful for its time of its time, but it's actually like really great creature design for today. Yeah. That's the thing like you still looks good. It still has scares that play really well like the only weakness is that it had were weaknesses of the day. It still has a great story a great. Great presentation. It's just it's all done in 90 like early 1920s filmmaking where this was still a new media. Like the adaptation is even still fresh. Like if I saw a version of Dracula that was just Nosferatu today, I'd be like, these are some good decisions. Yeah. Yeah. I mean like the only thing that doesn't really play well with me in the movie. Is there bastardized version of the Renfield character as he just he's just kind of Yeah, cuz like he's just gonna cut him entirely could have but I think they just like the idea of him having power over a human being and she's never meet some though. I know he never meets them. It's just like it's like a Harbinger just like somebody who's waving a flag for Nosferatu to come into town. But yeah, he doesn't play into the story at all. He climbs the Prison Walls pretty efficient. Yeah eats bugs. I'm about it. I like Renfield characters that I don't I love I love rent. I know you do. I am all about I'm more of a Mina character. Yeah, she's great. She's integral to the story. But where are your character actors? Give me your Tom Waits has your I lost his name from 30 Days of Night rating everything. He's in he's so gross. Okay. So what's your rating? I don't know. Can we just say that it's super good and important and you should watch it. It's 1920s out of four. 18:22 out of four, I'm gonna give it a three and a half out of four. I'm doing three and a half. Yeah, we're all sorry Rin. Yeah. No, it's super great. It's amazing. Where would we be without it blows? My mind is like, you know, you'll say all the time. I can't imagine a world without a movie like this. We almost live in a world without this movie. I think it's even better though that that they were like destroy all the copies and they're like we will yeah like fingers crossed behind their back like the three baddies and Nightmare Before Christmas. Yeah, of course and they like threw them down to Oogie Boogie, but they kept set like they kept a few of them. Let's be real. Yeah. Here's the other thing too that we don't necessarily think about when we're talking about movies like Nosferatu and the Cabbage. Dr. Caligari is that we're Super Lucky they exist for those reasons, but also because somebody hid copies from the Nazis the Nazis destroyed so much art so many films So many paintings books that just don't exist anymore. We have records of people who have seen them and remember them and can essentially give us a synopsis and who worked on them, but that is it and there are actually some really cool artists that do. I'm sorry. I'm taking us on a bit of a left turn here, but there are some cool artists that have taken films usually like artistic surrealist films. There's one I remember called ghosts for breakfast. It's really strange, but we only have a A video portion the audio is completely destroyed Nazis destroyed it like the accompaniment sound effects music does not exist. So lots of artists have redone their own version of the music for it including people like like Ergo Fizz myths and people like us if you like really weird experimental music sound collage artist getting into strange territory, but the simple fact is there was a great filter it a court system and there was a great filter. That you know destroyed not just art and film but also a lot of like a generation of people and it is amazing that we still have movies like this and you should see them if you haven't this has been John's corner. I'm sorry. I lost I realized like how preachy it kind of became but to make a sound bite for whenever you want a tangent. Well, here's the problem John's Corner. We live and die job. That's not bad. Bad, you know what I should do when I when I know that I'm going on one of these tangents is close my eyes because what you got to remember is I'm having a conversation with you out there right now, but also Kim here with him and I have to stare into her eyes and I can see her go. Uh-huh. I just like to thank and smile think of all the editing. I have to hear you're incredibly polite, but it does it does slow. It's like all of a sudden I'm in Spic water. Why do you hear I can't reply. Even if I want to do you like? Oh, yes, I've heard of these Nazis before that's about it. Yeah. Yes Nazis terrible. I had ghosts for breakfast myself this morning ghosty OHS. That's what you do when you're on a fast, you know, you just eat it eat ghosts for breakfast think of how many good poems. I could have come about ghosts for breakfast. We're doing it right now. Never gave me that chance. Do you want to talk about Cabinet of dr. Caligari? I think we should is it Caligari or Calgary think it's Caligari. I always say Calgary. I know there's not my in there but like any other eye and I before the gee thanks Kelly. Yeah, it's that Canadian accent Caligari. I like Calgary. Oh, no. From 1920 Robert wines Cabinet of dr. Caligari is currently sitting at an eight point one out of 10 on IMDb 100 percent on Rotten Tomatoes 4 out of 4 from Roger Ebert and four out of five letterboxed. I'm gonna be like full spoilers ahead. Uh-huh. This is one of my favorite movies of all time. It's pretty amazing. Right? It's pretty wonderful. Goddamn. Is it good the level of Whimsy? In the set design and the the character makeup is enough that even if the story wasn't good and in the whole point of the film wasn't good. I would still love it. Like there's absolutely not a moment where I don't want to have like my eyes burning into the screen. Yeah, isn't it? Isn't it? Great when a movie can make you upset that you have to Blink. I just want to absorb it all. Oh, yeah, no, like watching you watch this movie is great because you also come from a very artistic background visually. Thank you. So like you are pointing at things to me that I'm not necessarily noticing and when we watch these movies to I try not to talk to you at all because I like to log thoughts that I have to talk about them on the podcast. So obviously we were talking about them fresh here, but I found myself unable to not Point things out. I like look look - I'm glad you pointed out something. I definitely did not necessarily think about the lighting being painted on the oh my God, that's one of the things that this film. I know we kind of touched on the blending of stage and screen with the films in the 1920s and this this film exemplifies it more than any other film I have ever seen because of how exaggerated everything is this movie exists in a van Gogh painting so much so that you aren't actually sure of the proportions of the room. Umm, that you're staring at yes, like there's a lot of forced perspective. But because it is that van Gogh's style where what we've done is we've basically taken a photographic image and we've simplified it down to shapes and lines and what they have done is they then taken that thing that simplified down to shapes and lines and they've stretched it for depth like an accordion. So they're pulling it apart you like almost like string cheese. Yeah, and so we're looking at a bunch of shapes and lines with depth That are recreating like and accountants office a law office of fair cobblestone street and you can if you squint you can see a cobblestone street totally but you're really only staring at like a gray skewed bunch of boxes with some circles drawn on the ground and it looks like a fucking cobblestone streets. It's amazing. It's incredible. You know, those those art installations that you see sometimes when you're like scrolling through Facebook where it's like, oh, it's a ladder and then the person who's physically filming it like walks. Around and you realize that it's just a bunch of different weirdly shape things that are just staged in a room like with a bunch of depth at only look like a ladder when you're standing one specific spot. Yeah, that's literally what the fragmentation of the Cabinet of dr. Caligari looks like. Yeah. And so the the lighting that you would see like sunlight coming through a window or a lamp that's lighting the streets is actually painted in White in a highlight. Oh, yeah, and you can see it to even in The character design. Dr. Caligari, he's got white lines on his gloves. He almost looks like Mickey Mouse when you're looking at him when you're looking interpreting his character literally, but when you watch him moving his hands, it adds like an extra level of detail when he's moving his fingers because the motion allows you to like blur like what's a highlight and what's a low light. There are streaks painted in his hair to make him look like a crazy Doctor Who's got the like the graying streaks on the top of his head? But that's done in makeup. So great. Now you're I'm sure you're familiar with Nosferatu. It's very easy to get it's a Dracula Story You've seen Dracula stories before if you haven't seen the Cabinet of dr. Caligari or you just unfamiliar with it. It is essentially a recounting of a story this man is telling to somebody on a park bench about a troubling time that he and his fiancee went through recently focusing specifically on she walks my like a ghost. Yes, sir. And that is my wife. That's my fiance. We've had a rough patch. What the fuck is going on with this girl. She's just like Allah. I said just troubled focusing specifically on a Carnival attraction. That's come to town called The Cabinet of dr. Caligari where dr. Caligari has a man who's been sleeping for 20 or 30 years that can answer questions about your future that maybe you don't want answered that then lead to some mysterious murders in town. And the rest of it's about trying to figure out who is committing these murders and whether or not dr. Caligari has anything to do with it. Hmm the entire movie you could literally put every single set inside like a tennis court because there's this sets are so claustrophobic but because they do such a great job staging them. I feel like we've seen the whole Fair. Yes, there's like umbrellas that are pretending to be carousel. Then like it's wonderful the entire movie made me jealous that none of us decided to speak up in high school. And since you why are we doing? This is a play could do it. It'd be so easy. It's just black and white and lines like oh man, like I wish we had a time machine I could go back and like really push for it. Anyway, it doesn't really matter but like like like a think about that school to do alien recently like they need to do the Cabinet of dr. Caligari. Ah, so cool and it's silent like the you could do something real cool. Cool with a silent film on stage just in how you're going to present the the language. Maybe you just have a screen behind you that occasionally the words come up on like that's the easiest solution but rather than trying to deconstruct how we would do it. Let's let's just talk about the movie. Do you remember the first time you saw images from this movie? No. Okay, I do I guess so I'll get into that. Yeah, another this movie Haunted me for a few years because I didn't know what it was and it was just Used in another movie where it's like characters doing heroin and watching the doctor cabinet, dr. Caligari because they wouldn't have had to pay for it. It's just it's free use. It's like it's like every horror movie has Night of the Living Dead and it because who do you got to pay for that? Right? It was just the scene where Caesar is coming in to Jane's room and he's brandishing the knife. Yeah. It's fucking incredible programs in the window. Yeah and how he just how he just breaks the windows apart because there's that there's literally a cut there so after he breaks a window, Oh, there's before breaks a window. There's a cut after he breaks a window. There's a cut so his foot is already inside the window and they just did I think to make him look more Sleek, but there's something that doesn't connect quite with your brain. So it's really creepy when you don't see him step in the wind. It's so funny you say that because I'm sure the audience that originally saw this in 1920 didn't have that same experience. I think what it is is it is a re-creation like there are missing frames that are just destroyed that you See there was a disclaimer at the beginning of the movie talking about the restoration process and how there are some scenes that you know, obviously don't look nearly as good and there are some jump Cuts but they've done their best to edit them. So I think it's just that you know, the movie has a hundred years old and we don't have a pristine copy of it and it's making it better by not having those connective bits where we see him step through the window. I could be wrong. Maybe that's how it was edited. And if it was I would not be surprised and good God is it great and like the staging that whole scene is amazing. I mean if we want to stay under that one seed for a minute when he destroys the window so he can come in was like the most mind-shattering part of it to me because the window looks like a general window, but the way he breaks it. It's like a Matchstick house good God is an amazing. And so I saw that in a movie and I never knew what it was from and I kind of I honestly I thought it was a Culkin like I thought it was a Coke again. It was like, how did I get this weird art movie that Macaulay Culkin did one time and then like the knife came up and we cut away and I was like, I need to know what the fuck that was and then just you know by happenstance like a few years later Halloween. This was on he became obsessed with it. And it was yeah. That was the first time I'd seen it from beginning to end was on how we night. Was it Halloween we watched it. We yeah, we watched it years and years ago. I was on TV and yeah, and there was just like it was such a great morning to such great quality and I just we were just stuck to it. Yeah, I don't even if we did intended to watch it, but we just like flipped and it was started in July started. Yes. This will happen is this is gonna happen. If you want to explore more silent films Turner Classic Movies still does silent Sundays, they are usually on a little later at night. But yeah classic movies as a great genre film lineup, by the way, John you would like to give them the weekend lineup that we've been on. Yeah. Okay, so at 2 a.m. Eastern standard time on Friday nights, you can watch Turner Classic Movies Underground. Kind of just like for weirdos and it's John Waters fancy camera film. Yeah, it's great. And if you have to stay up till 2:00, but yeah at least in our time zone and then I'm a big Noir alley guy. So Friday nights at midnight. I like watching noir films and if I fall asleep in the middle of them, I can watch them again on Sunday at 10 a.m. He bonded with an old man about that. I don't what he's I guess I'm too late and then they won't like shit knocked elbows over like but it's on its exam though. Weirdos up with the birds. You're gonna walk around the mall yesterday heading. Yeah. Also, if I only need to watch the second half it's 11:00 a.m. I don't need to get better. They're still serving make breakfast smoothies. Great. I love every fucking thing about okay. Can I talk about what another one of my favorite please? This is still going to be a sideshow of stuff. We like we're yeah, we're still on set design. We're never going to get away from it. He is fucking trailer how well did they nail his trailer? I like the inside of his trailer because he's Ian like a clown car the set is so big. When he when were inside it with dr. Caligari and his cabinet. Yeah, it's a full room and then you realize when they're outside knocking on his door how tiny the trailer actually is but when they cut back and forth between the scenes which are done really well for it being 1920. I will add. Yeah the skewed perspective. So I think I might not be right on directions. But when we're in the trailer with dr. Caligari, everything is skewed left, but when we're outside side and looking at the trailer the trailer is a slanty shanty skewed right? Oh shit, they take the slant is consistent from the outside to the inside. So great. This is what I love what even even when the door opens. So like when the door to the trailer opens a we get to peek inside you can see the lamp and you can see the armchair and the distance even though you can very obviously see that that trailer doesn't go to any know. It's only like a foot deep. Yeah, like you can go inside and close the door and that's it. But they've done a Little bit of interior decorating to that 1 meter square space when they cut to the inside of the trailer. You can see everything stretched out. Okay, quick question. Yes. What is the cabinet? It's the coffin thing. Is it is it the coffin thing that has seized are inside or is it the the cart that he has that is impossibly large on the inside that also houses a another mystery inside of it, or is it the town that is impossible that has the carnival that has the the cart that has the coffin inside or is it mate? I think you see where I'm going with this is a Russian doll scenarios because that's the story itself exists in its own little contained Universe. Okay, so I'm saying like if we keep pulling these pieces apart think the cabinet is our own fucking mind. I still think it's the coffin. That's he's ours. I mean, you're probably right. It's probably because he keeps pointing to it saying this is my cabin and I'm dr. Caligari, probably right but like the way we're Talking about it now and like I don't necessarily I don't think I was thinking about this at all while we were watching because he's got to let this fucking movie wash over you. I think we are in like a Russian doll. Scenario. Definitely man. This movie is good this then here's your like you're talking about how great this movie is to look at and you know, like how you know silent film has something to offer that other film doesn't especially in the experience of it. But like how often do you get something even of this period or modern day where? It's visually this rich but also the story is as satisfying because this I don't think I remember the end of this movie like I I'm almost positive either. I fell asleep and hid it very well when we first watched it on Turner Classic Movies years ago, or I'd forgotten the final moments of this movie because it's a mind-blower. I have to say that like when I first even this watch like every time I finish it, I'm just like no it's over and then you think about it and you're like that's really fucked. Literally when it starts to kind of unravel and we're not quite sure if Caligari is is dr. Caligari or if he's the head of this this Asylum and then there's that scene where he's running outside and we have the lettering on the actual set. Yeah. There's that like manic moment where he's I'm dr. Caligari. I'm dr. Caligari. Yeah, because he is reading a book about kalighat like dr. Jekyll. Mr. Hyde. Yeah. Yeah. And yeah, you got your time man everywhere. Yeah, but it's like he has to tell himself that story to reinforce it to believe it for it to become real and then he gets locked up because like, oh, you're a crazy person you were used to be mr. Doctor and now you're Caligari you've gone off the deep end and people are dead because of you. So they lock them up. But then later on after friend Francis has relayed this whole story to us and we're in the mental institution again where he's you assume. He's visiting his A all of a sudden a very clean-cut prim and proper mr. Doctor comes down and he starts accusing him of being dr. Caligari and how no one everybody thinks that he's cured and he's running the hospital again, but it's false and you can't trust him and then mr. Doctor. These are ya who's holding flowers? And is this like lovelorn sort of quiet boy. Do you kind of see that his fiancee maybe has like they kind of lock eyes for a minute and there seems to be something between them and not Francis and his fiance and you know, you know, obviously he he has this this explosion and he seems very erratic and they put him in a straitjacket lock him in the same room where dr. Caligari was, you know, 20 minutes ago. I would posit the theory that it's not a theory it's what happens occasionally. Okay, so he and his friend are in a love. Angle essentially with chain they both love this girl and you know lucky for Francis the next morning. His friend has been murdered by c-czar. Oh, so we're not on the same. I don't think we're on the same page. No, I have no idea what you're talking about now. So our lead character is an unreliable narrator. Yeah who's in a crazy house? Yes and has made a story surrounding people that he's just inhabiting that crazy house with totally. Yeah. I don't think anybody's been murdered. You don't think he ever actually killed his friend like he went off the deep. Append because he killed his friend and then he's been put so OK OK awesome pause pause. He's like there goes my wife. He's talking to another patient may be. Oh, yeah, totally ssion and crazy who uh, he thinks his wife is walked by cause she's like, I'm the queen every well. That's why she also has relationships with any of these. I don't think he does either I think we think the exact same thing. It's a usual suspects that area and he's making up a story based. People around him right because this is the original Usual Suspects Keyser Soze. No, I guess all I was trying to figure out is how he got in the mental institution by being I guess he could just be crazy, but I figured maybe it had something to do with him killing his friend and going off the deep end. I guess I just assumed that part was still real. Okay, but you're right and fuck that was a good ending in. Nine people were still going like on can you fucking believe he was crazy the whole time 19 20 1920 and it's so good and it's just like all of the set design like we still like the mental institutions still very weird and Industrial and forced perspective and stuff. But like it's at that point that you realize because we are in a story that he is telling that everything is so exaggerated and weird and I'm not a book. It's a story that he's telling that's great. What if what if the only reason Looks like that is because we are now Inside the Mind of the person hearing the story of somebody who's got a disjointed brain. Yeah. There are a lot of movies modern movies that look like this you would think there'd be more because of how Monumental it was it is for Cinema. You think that there would be a whole genre of film today that look like the Cabinet of dr. Caligari. The closest I would say that we have to the level of styling of this film would be Tim Burton. Yeah, the level of fantasy visuals. No other director. Could you name that goes as Fantastical in a grounding their films that make sense. Yeah, totally. I'm a Hunter with a lens which makes this a like a perfect pin in its time and place in cinema because as we evolved to better film quality realism became the ideal yeah and getting things as close to life as possible the 1920s. We were still doing plays and things were exaggerated and bigger than Life because because there was distance between the audience and the visual medium. So the films of the 1920s didn't necessarily have that goal that we have now with especially more K and like in the in the 60s like adding color and all of these Evolutions we've made to making film as close to real life as possible. I mean this pristine perfect person a real life. So yeah, I would say that the film's today that are like the Cabinet of dr. Caligari don't necessarily have that. German expressionism look to them but their movies like Pleasantville or that director who does those drug trippy movies where they're like cartoons, but they're actors. Oh you're talking about Richard linklater is like Scanner Darkly exactly. Okay stuff like that it timbered. I was actually going to bring Scanner Darkly have them so glad people who play with with real to life stories, but they choose like a visual left. Turn for the sake of art. Yeah. Or doing something that isn't pristine like a heightened real? Yeah, David Lynch's Eraserhead sure creating a hard. Stop visually just to be an artist is yeah, like the new Twin Peaks tough. For sure. Yeah. Yeah, it's crazy like and I were recording this in December. So I apologize if I've already talked about this a bunch in a mini episode or something but to keep it short that is the strength of silent film and black and white film in General really is that it is already unlike reality. When you go see a movie, you know, you're not looking at real life but like movies nowadays especially will make you want to feel as though you are immersed in the real world black and white film is unlike life. There is nowhere you can look where it looks like a black and white film. So you already accept it as something that is not reality and it can do strange things like force perspectives that you cannot get away with in real life. We're already in a fantasy world. So you already giving more of yourself over to accepting it and no film now color for k8k wherever we go. We'll be able to achieve the same things that black and white and silent film could okay. So I have a question for you. Yeah, they are remaking cabinet Valkyrie. Okay, not that they are but this is the scenario. I'm I'm proposing who you're talkin. Okay Culkin. Yeah, I got it honestly, and this is This is actually really great for this is a dumb tweet of mine from like two years ago and he Culkin I don't care which you like. It doesn't matter to me. You want Rory Culkin? I'm there. Yeah. I know the Culkin's you do know like, okay and then so I didn't finish my question Who Would You cast? Yeah as everybody else. Yeah, so as dr. Caligari Brendan Gleeson from In Bruges, oh and 28 Days Later, he would be mine. For Caligari Francis the crazy person if we can clean them up a little bit for the front half and honestly, maybe maybe our remake every doing straight shot for shot remake or do we maybe play around with the storyline little it's your remake? Okay, so I'm going to I'm going to leave things open and I'm gonna cast as Francis a very clean-cut initially Caleb Landry Jones. Oh you you're going dark with you forever. Well, yeah. Well, here's the thing I think and kill Landry Jones and a Culkin. In would make a great cabinet. Here's the thing. What if at the end we there is no separation between our two characters. That's what I'm saying. We we leave our options open by doing that casting. Who would we cast as Jane? Unfortunately. Jane doesn't have much to do in this movie. I want it mean I don't know Jane Levy cause I like her I honestly don't know who he would cast. You know, you know what I know, Rooney Mara. Whoo, there's my casting one's great Rooney Mara Caleb Landry Jones and Rory Culkin. I'm Brendan Gleeson, I think secured and cold. Yeah, one of them was available. Okay my cast it'll be like a dog like we've got four dogs to play one dog of a movie. We got four Culkin's one of them is a mystery that's even better because if it's all like in a crazy person's mind and this is just a little bit. Yeah. I'm into it's pretty good. That's like The Imaginarium of Doctor Parnassus. Exactly. What's gonna bring up Parnassus are NASA's another Tom Waits. It's Tom Waits in that. Yeah, he's one of them the Renfield. Okay, so my casting as dr. Caligari hmm, Kelsey Grammer. Oh shit. Yeah as Caesar now if this was made in like 90s, I would say Josh Hartnett for c-czar, I think. Oh, wow. That's okay because he's got this Like sad Loverboy look about him. Sure - like a Lucky Number Slevin Josh Hartnett was that we're talking about here like faculty Josh okay with this hairbrush down. Yeah until it's out of the pillow. He sleeps out of that movie today Robert Pattinson. Probably probably no one would be upset. And then what's that guy's name Caleb lender Jones know the prince Hagen is Francis, Francis Francis. I would cast your I don't know if you're going to agree with this one Jason Segel. No, I like it. No, I'm not gonna lie. My Caleb Landry Jones is a bad pick because from frame 1 you go that guy's crazy. Like there's there's there's no point in that movie where you think this guy is a reliable narrator Jason Segel great choice. I think he's due for like a serious role. And also I believe when he talks to me, so I wouldn't he also looks you in the eye like he was leaving kind of guy. Look you in the eye and also he looks a lot like the actor that plays the original I think you're right. Yeah. Oh what if we can use that same D aging like technology from the Irishman on Willem Dafoe and what if we got him to play every role like my good doctor include images are but yeah, so if we had Jason Segel as Francis, I would cast that actress from Freaks and Geeks as Jane. Oh, wow. Yes. So if you're gonna do that, I think you should really go like the full stretch. He said that's right. So like Seth Rogen Caligari and Franco James Franco is this is the friend that got killed. Yeah. That was fun. That was fun. That was really good. Yeah. Yeah. I got my Caleb Landry Jones is a bad pick but it but whatever I would agree with it Freddy anything you want your like. We're going to put kill blood runs. Isn't a good idea. No, that's that's my problem is like any this has happened a few times where people like what's your dream cast for this movie? Like well, we start with Caleb Landry. Yeah, then we follow through with Jay Levi. It's just so fucking good and everything. Yes good. So I assume you're ready for ratings in order for yeah, four out of four. Fuck this movie is good. They movies hate to talk about the desks in the the permit office for in your fair installment. Yeah, the guys in the desks are like the desert Like Elephant desks. The front legs are taller than the back legs. Every single frame of this movie is fucking incredible. There is there is no moment. That isn't just like you just want to take it in. I don't even know like I just I want to eat this movie. I just I just want this movie to be like if you could like cut open your eyes so that your eyes became Mouse. Oh sure just like help with your eyes. Yep. Yep. Did you give it a rating I gave? Yeah, I gave it a 4 out of 4. Okay, you were too busy like replaying the movie and your mind. Sorry Black Death. It was very pretty but where I turned my eyes and no mouth. Damn is movies good. Oh boy. Well, let us know what you thought of Nosferatu and the Cabinet of dr. Caligari. We're about to go watch it again. Obviously. Oh definitely. Yeah, but who likes off in la-la land 74 minutes. You can watch this movie twice so good so fucking good happy. Year. Oh, yeah, we are in 2020. That's crazy. I hope you have your your Jazzy evidence. We should like find a horror Speakeasy or so. It's not a bad idea to start a speakeasy and make it whore. 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Welcome back or welcome to the humans of triathlon or hot podcast where we bring you the ordinary but extraordinary world of triathlon one human one story at a time with the aim to inspire and to celebrate this life-changing Sport and it's humans to real authentic raw and enjoyable conversations with humans of triathlon from around the globe and from all walks of life.Hello humans of triathlon swapnil Chauhan here from Melbourne, Australia joined by my to co-host as always Carlos against Charles hunk from London UK and Sheila to leaven from Ontario Canada. This is episode number 50 and we are joined by a special guest. So with over 30 years in his Ford and that is 3-0. Yes. She has done every possible distance you can imagine well, maybe except those.Crazy double triple Iron Man once right, but other than a super healthy lifestyle practicing the sport has enabled her to achieve multiple physical Feats across a vast number of geographies things like bike touring across Europe climbing to the top of the highest mountain in Africa or streaming across the deepest lake in the United States. She is clearly a veteran and her role model is none other than the famous iron none. For those who don't know who is she's oldest woman who finish an Ironman when she finished Ironman Canada, which by the way in Iron Man standards is not precisely a walk in the park when she was 82 years old. So your guest for tonight who you know ready as our lovely colleague and co-host of your hot boss gets during season 1 so we have welcomed the none other than the rat mom rat Robin. Y'all I don't know. Hey, it's really good to hear that again. Yay. How's it to hear your own intro after giving intros for others? Well, you know, I was kind of terrified when I heard Charles was going to do the intro because you know, he has these the crazy and dress. That was awesome. Actually guys, you know, I'd be here and I want to clarify that I am not 82 years old, but my idol is yeah. Yeah, it's awesome to finally get you on the show. Have you been listening to the podcast at all? Yeah, I've been trying to catch it where I can it's weird to hear it from the outside. I'm sure what are you listening you go? Like? Yeah, I would have asked that question a lot question. No, I don't know. It's it's different. It's like it's like my my brain is a listener and not a talker. I guess. I don't know but I do miss. I think the thing I miss the most is just meeting the people like, you know, you podcast host you get to meet all these amazing people. And of course the listeners get a medium just kind of you know along for the journey but it's it is pretty cool to kind of feel like you made that personal connection with these all these incredible athletes. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, I agree with you. Totally that's been what's been, you know, one of the greatest things for for me coming in to the podcast is getting to connect with these people from all over the world and and all different types of discipline them and backgrounds. It's it's really exciting to be part of this. It's very motivating. Yeah. So like Charles mentioned you've been in the sport for 30 years. That's that's that's more than me Gila and Charles combined like how long we've been that's that's more number of years than I've been alive. Yeah, you make me feel old. You're not supposed to say those things. It's okay. I think swapping of the same age as my oldest kid. So like I'm you know, it's gonna funny. So as you know, we like to start things off by going back in time. So talk to us. Like how did it all start? When did it all start? And yeah. All right. Well, yeah kind of anticipated this question. At least I guess like I would say I was born to be a Amer like I think I was a dolphin in a former life or something like I just have this I've always had this connection to the water. My mom would probably tell you that I fling myself into any available body of water river like stream swimming pool mud puddle, whatever and refused to get out. So there's just like there's something there with me in water that I've always just loved and actually like sea creatures always come up to me to like I always have to warn my Scuba Buddy's like big thing like whales and dolphins and whales sharks and stuff just swim up to me. So it's like I don't know. Yeah, it's really weird. Like I've literally had all these different sea creatures matter raise ya whale swam right up to me just so I don't know there's something like in me and water that I just I feel like I recognize the water and the water recognizes me like you were a mermaid in your past life. Yeah. I don't know. I think when I'm dating online my my online name was I'm open so that's where I'm at. So I guess I always knew like I don't I would be a swimmer. But unfortunately, I had a truly terrible swim coach when I was an age grouper and he really discouraged me from swimming. He told me I was lazy and unathletic. Oh, yeah, when you're nine years old, that's kind of harsh harsh thing to hear and so he really kind of demotivated me I guess. And sometimes I think that's why I love to pass on my love of swimming because I want people to you know, really enjoy it and feel like they're excited by it and Powerful when they're in the water. So and I found out later on in life actually many years later that I am severely anemic. I just tend towards anemia and I'm always anemic and if I don't stay on top of my iron, I get really really badly and Meemic or as my doctor said I've never seen anybody. D with less red blood cells other than cancer patients. But so I think yeah, so I just tend to not have a lot of red blood cells so don't have a lot of oxygen and I think what I was experiencing as a kid was just I would just run out of air and when you swim, you know oxygen is hard to come by because your face is in the water. So I think what my swim coach was responding to is I would just come up and gasp and and he saw that as laziness so Yeah old school swim coach. Yeah. So are you from coaches out there, you know, like take it easy on your kiddos and and motivate don't demotivate. So I didn't really swim competitively again, which is kind of a bummer because you know, I'm a reasonably good swimmer. And then when I was in college, I took a swim Conditioning class just to lose my Freshman 15. I came from eating dorm food and the assistant swim coach taught the class and he was like you should be on the swim team and I'm like, I don't even know how to do a flip turn and he convinced me to walk on the swim team. So that is how I really started being a Competitive Edge. So we offer that coach after that coats like demotivated you you basically left it. Yeah. I didn't swim I didn't swim through high school. I didn't swim through. Yeah, I didn't swim from when I competitively from when I was nine too when I was in college. Oh, that's terrible. No. Yeah, I mean I swam I swam at Lake I swim in the river. I swam at the pool. You know, I always swam I've always when they didn't swim competitively. So there's a lot of things. I didn't know when I got into competitive swimming, you know, a lot of things just technique-wise and and I just didn't have that built up athleticism that kids have when they compete through high school sports and I didn't have a lot of endurance built up into my system. So so it's really different, you know becoming a college boy. Omer but I swam for the last three years of my college so so what was that like just walking onto the college swim team after not really swimming from the age of nine like as a competitive swimmer. Well, it was like being in the slow lane first. Yeah. I mean I had to learn like I had to learn how to do flip turns. You know what I was never the fastest person on the team, but you know, I began to be able to hold my own kind of middle distance. I If I had swum all the way, I would have been a distance swimmer, but I just didn't have the accumulated. Yeah, like endurance yet because I hadn't been swimming. I don't think my real Forte is like anything under a thousand yards. Okay, and and when I compete now, like if I compete in the swim meet like the last one they came in third in the 502nd in the thousand and first in the 1650s. Cuz I just swim the same Pace no matter what it just yeah longer I go the faster. It looks it's perfect for Irondale. Yeah, exactly. So perfect for a triathlon. So I just didn't know it and I tell people sometimes like, you know kids sports. They don't people don't really consider endurance when you talk about kids sports good sports are all sprinting sports like soccer and you know, or I guess football where it's called. Everywhere else most sports that kids play require a lot of sprinting and not a lot of endurance so I didn't really realize I'm an endurance athlete until a lot later. But my college swim coach was like really instrumental in that. I think I wrote in my bio for humans a triathlon that he was like the most influential person in my life at that point. So was he the one that got you into running a triathlon as well? Yeah. Yeah, he made us all do a triathlon which was fairly hysterical because you know, we didn't we weren't triathletes and and it was really a fairly new sports. This has been like 1986 so it had been around a long time especially in Oregon where I went to college and we all had like crappy student bicycles and I we just ran in like we threw some shorts on over our swimsuit or whatever and it was just sort of a motley crew and and I did not think I could run a 5k so that was like my big sort of mental hurdle. I knew I could bike because I rode my bike everywhere. It's a kid. I knew I could bike but I didn't think I could run. And my coach was he was nearing retirement age. So he was like 62 and he said well Robin you come out and go for a run with this old man, you know, and he had his stomach. He's like, I got a big Buddha belly and I'm in my 60s. If you can't keep up with me, then he you know, you're in trouble and so I did I went out for a run with them and it just kind of jellied me along. He talked to me through the whole time. He actually talked to me about scuba diving. He's the one who got me. Just didn't scuba diving. I remember him telling me all these Adventures of scuba diving in Baja. And and I just remember thinking. Oh my God, this is he was going to take me on a 1-mile run. This is so far A mile is so far. I cannot you know, I can barely finish this Mile and we got back to the bridge and I said coach, you know, I can barely run a mile. There's no way I'm going to run a 5k, there's just no way and he said Robin you just did. No, what about it? But you know that that was the best lesson ever liked it. The barrier was all in my mind. Hmm, right? Yeah. I mean I wasn't fast but I ran a mile. I mean I ran three miles. Yeah, I ran three. Yeah, it was probably my best like less than ever. It's just that so many of the barriers we have or just in our minds, you know, so that was it. I got so clearly the Fence between a motivating coach and your previous one. Yeah, he just had that thing, you know, you could make a move, you know, the movies with the inspiring coach. He was that kind of Coach. He was that kind of coached. He used humor and he used you know, he's just funny he was hard to he was really hard, but he was funny and You know, he just jelly just along then kind of beat us up a bit and Delight us along and you know that kind of coach that you really want to have and yeah, so I guess in a certain sense. He's just kind of Always There In My Head, even though he's passed on a few years ago. He's the coach with a Capital C. So he he just took care of so you guys did a triathlon with him. Was that your first try? Yep. That was my first try. Okay. And after that it just I just knew I you know, like so many people I just knew I wanted to do another one. So I just pretty much got hooked that was from my last year of college on I didn't really swim competitively again, but I got into triathlons and really started training and and you know, one thing leads to another you get another bike you want to do a long. Unger race and and it just spun off I guess for me it spun off this whole journey into having a body that could do so many things like I started bike touring and Hiking it just it created this sort of upward spiral in my life where everything felt like I could tackle it because I tackled this thing a little bit at a time and you know and the next distance in the next distance and I think that Carries over into everything sure so we're talking about 1980 something, right? Yeah want to make I don't want to focus again on the fact that maybe stop Neil wasn't born yet, but wasn't it like a like a weird sport back then? Like you said you just typical track and see all your basketball you're swimming noise like this combination of things that people seem to be doing and Training all day and all night. So what will how was it? What was the perception of the sport bike? Then? I think the perception of the sport was a little crazy. Especially I don't remember what year Julie mosses Ironman crawl was televised but that was that was kind of the perception of sport was a whole bunch of crazy people going out and training themselves to death and then like crawling across finish line and the sport itself was I mean, it was it's hard to explain now because now it's such Professionalized Sport and there's coaches and equipment and gear and all this stuff and none of that existed. I mean not even like really gels or you much in the way of drink mixes used to be able to order this drink mix from the sky in California. That was called gouken Aid and he made it in his light garage and it would come in this this baggie of white powder in the mail. I could she have your two pound bag of white powder in the mail. And pray that the you know, post office didn't think you were shipping cocaine or something. And the first person I know who did an Ironman like taped 25 Tootsie Pops to his bike because there was no gels he would just crunch up at it see Pop, you know, and we passed around recipes for like the iron cookies. They were the cookies that you baked up that had like the right protein, you know carb mix for an Ironman or whatever. It was just very like seat of your Pants, you know, there wasn't a lot of specialized like try suits are Triathlon Club a guy used to come from the local scuba shop and measure us all and he would custom make our wet suit. Wow, so there was no Triathlon wetsuit. You got measure yeah my first triathlon my wet suit was like custom made it fit me like a glove it was so nice nice, but of course none of them had sleeves because the neoprene hadn't gotten to that point of being flexible enough to have sleeves. So if you did like Ironman Canada and you know water temperature was like 58 degrees. Well your arms just fell off, you know, so it was just you know is fun in that sense is that it was evolving all the time and people were trying new things and and trying different things and it was just fun in that way and some of my race pictures from early on to some really horrifying outfits that I wore. Maybe I'll maybe I'll put one to go with the I cast you think you'll find I've got this one where I'm wearing these like ballooning neon lime yellow shorts and they're like flapping in the wind and on my bike and it's just they look ludicrous look like I'm wearing like a parachute on my but it's Mia. I'll see if I can find out one. So it was all experimental but was fun and the race distances were also not like so set in stone. So I went and looked back at some of my A race distance results you would get your results mailed to you in a manila envelope and they were like runoff on somebody's photocopy or something and I was like, these times are also weird, but I think it was just because the distances weren't standard like a Sprint Triathlon might have like a you know, thirteen point eight mile bike and a four point one mile run or something like my times were all over the map in terms of finished times. I think it's just because there wasn't like the Sprint the Back the 70.3 you know, so I think the other main difference is that people didn't really expect to do an Ironman like four maybe five or six years like it was seen as this far-off goal. And I think now it's such a draw such an appealing thing back then it was seen as like this crazy thing you would do lots you would really like paid your dues and you know, of course it wasn't advertised like it is now and didn't have the This kind of big appeal and it was only a few of them. You had to travel. Yes. Of course. That's a yeah for sure. You know, I just I I just remember watching someone like the old old YouTube videos like and it would be before even that sounds terrible before even your time. Sorry. It's okay. I'm good, but like seeing like that outfits it. The guys who are weary and they're like not even got a helmet on and they're wearing my jeans shorts. And yeah even heard like one of the first Ironman when they started doing them in Hawaii, it was like they put money in their pocket and stopped in the variety stores and like yeah, I got food or McDonald's. Yeah, they went through McDonald's drive-thru in on a bike in the Iron Man. Yeah. Yeah, you can get your calories and nutrition in. Yeah, there's some book of iron stores. It's like 12 iron stories or something and one of them is from um, either the first or the second year the Iron Man and it is the funniest Triathlon story I've ever read it's so good. I mean, it's just the guy who wrote it as funny and it and it really just shows that yeah. I think he couldn't change a tire. So he bought a solid rubber tires and he like taped a radio to his bikes. We could have music the whole way. It's just like, you know this big transistor radio. Yeah, so it was a little Little like that as well fun. Ryan is so tense be I think it set the stage because you know Triathlon now, it's still a different sport than other sports. Like there's still a little bit of a different attitude like, you know, you'd go and do a marathon they roll up the Finish Line the poor last place person. There's no there's nobody out on the course. There's a policeman following them on a motorcycle and and you know, they've wrapped up all the aid stations and they're coming in. There's Crickets at the finish line, and it's so different. From an Ironman Finish Line where you know that's where the party is everybody's cheering and it's just a different feeling to me than most sports is that everybody is kind of a rock star in Triathlon and it's instead of like just the pros. It's true. Actually, it's funny cuz you know, it's different. I've done two to Iron Man but he's so far. I've got a third this year, but you come in you watch like the pros come in and yeah, there's the cheering but there's only a little bit of cheering right? And people start coming in at the dark and there's it's hearing that party. You just said and the cheering in the crowd is huge and it's like you almost want to come in at the end right so that you can like that part of that. Yeah that energy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's pretty awesome. Yeah. It really is a different. It really is a much different sport. Yeah, and I think that that it just is carried through I like that about it that it didn't get Marshall eyes to the point where people got jaded or there's a few like a grow people out there on the course and you know, but but for the most part triathletes are super supportive of each other and it's nice they really are it's a great Community. Yep, and maybe that's why I keep doing it. I know me too. Well, I'm gonna pull you back to swimming though. That's okay. Okay, you mentioned that after college you didn't you didn't like you weren't competitive anymore. And swimming. Well, however you oh go ahead. Yeah. No, no, go ahead. Good. I say that you are a master swim coach for a really long time now, so you must love that so I do swim and I swim and swim meet sometimes I guess I don't like there's some master swimmers who are pretty hardcore and they swim that's what they do like they swim and they go to Nationals and worlds and stuff and I've never been that hard core about just swimming. Because I never just trained like I don't just swim five or six days a week because I do triathlons. So it's just kind of a conscious Choice. Like there's a woman in Oregon who's in my age group who beats me most of the time except at the very long distances and like she'll our kids were little she used to tell me. Yeah. I got I got a babysitter who sleeps over on you know, so I can get to practice it 5:00 in the morning and I was like, oh my God that is just way more hardcore than Oliver be web swimming in. Again, yeah, so I guess I mean I swim but I don't swim like super competitively like I don't put enough time in it to it to be a what I'd call a competitive swimmer. Okay, so you're still at the bat Master swing but you're also a master's coaching. So you obviously like you said you loved the water. So yeah, what got you into coaching for the last 15 years for swimming. Um, well, let's see the club that I was swimming at. So I swam Masters when I lived in Washington. I had some really good. Coaches and then we move down here to Oregon and I was swimming at a club here and my then husband my now ex-husband and I were both pilots and we had been building an aircraft Hangar. This is kind of a long story roundabout way of saying this we've been building an aircraft Hangar and to sell as sort of our big investment and we built it and we got it on the market on. On September 7th of 2001 and on September 11th, the Twin Towers fell and aircraft stopped flying and the nation, you know just kind of froze in place. So is you know, obviously a very hard time for America in general but Aviation specifically so we had this huge debt out there that we were paying on every month. And so I had to drop my club membership which you know is like the I'm like, okay, I could stop eating maybe but I can keep my pool membership. But so it's really hard for me. So I went in and told my teammates that you know, I was gonna stop swimming there and and the woman who was in charge of the aquatics Department was like, well, you're always like helping people out. Do you want to just be the swim coach and then he could swim here. So that's how I got into coaching nice, but I had been like coaching. I just kind of always always been helping people and and stuff like that anyways, but yeah, so it was just kind of formalized it I guess. Well, that's a good way to get into it. It's a rather roundabout. But yeah things are you must really enjoy what you're doing? Because you're still doing it. You don't know that year, you know so far past that time period. Yeah, I mean it is it's hard because I have a pretty engaging full-time job now. So this may Actually be my last year some coaching at least for a while, maybe till I'm retired or something because it's just a lot and it really I do kind of, you know, brought my heart into it and but we have a great team here. We've got a great group of people and we've had some other coaches. I'm one of three coaches now, so I'm not the only coach and so there's other people that kind of carry the program boards, but we built up a really great team. So I'm going to shout out to my aquadecks who are you know, just also some of my good friend. And you know you develop that Community people they are definitely that a lot of athletes and Open Water swimmers and we had some great adventure swims and stuff. So so always be engaged with them whether I'm coach or not. Hmm. Yeah. So going back to the triathlon, you know, just you've been in the sport for 30 years now, so obviously it's been something that's been constant throughout your life throughout most of your life. So like I'm sure the meaning of the sport and the You do you do them and the way it fits into your life has like sort of changed over the years. So can you just talk to us a little bit about that? Yeah, I think in my early years it was just I guess for me it's always been like a really important Outlet because I'm kind of hmm. How do I put the sort of high strung? I've got a lot of energy and a lot of thoughts bouncing around inside my head at all times, and I've worked in some pretty Demanding jobs like I worked at Microsoft. I was a software engineer there and the time I spend in the pool or on my bike or On the Run. It's just my time to get my brain to quiet down to just be fully engaged and wherever I'm at and not just be thinking thinking thinking and so for me, it's been my outlet. It's been my thing. So I think that's part of why I stayed with it is it's just kind of that escape and And when my now ex-husband and I were going to have kids he kind of talked me into having kids and I was I was kind of that was the part. I was most scared about was giving up that time because I feel like it helps keep me kind of sane and together. He's my act together. So we kind of Drew up a contract where I would get one to two hours a day to exercise as part of our sort of parenting contract. And you know bless his soul he stuck to it. So I trained all through, you know, my pregnancies and after the kids were born and stuff and oftentimes very creatively with strollers and bike trailers and with other moms at a park taking turns watching the kids or whatever but it still remained kind of my way to reset reboot my day and I'm frankly gave me a lot of more patients for you know, things like Being a working mom being a full-time. Mom eventually became a homeschooling mom and that that time to myself just remained really necessary. So the sport itself, you know, the amount of competitiveness. I've been as kind of come and gone. Sometimes I've been super competitive in the sport and know coming in top five women in you know, a lot of races and then sometimes I'm just kind of it's Amateur hour and and that's it. Okay, I've just kind of got gotten to the point where I'm okay with all of that this wherever I'm at at that moment, you know, if it was one, you know a few months postpartum and I was nursing my kid right before the start line and then run into the roof finished shooting the nursing my keys right after the Finish, you know, because I had a baby and that's the way it goes. That was just that's what it was. And actually I'll say that was one of my one of my moments that shows the true nature of triathlon is I was standing at the triathlon start in that race and I had to put on this I bought this so, you know being a nursing mom anybody out. There has been a nursing mom will relate to this. I had to buy this bra called The Last Resort bra. Literally, I think it's from Title. Nine Sports is like keep those bad boys in place while you're running right motion control bra is what they're called. So so somebody asked me like, what are you wearing? During under your swimsuits and I just kind of explained and somebody's like so you're nursing like a four-month-old. I'm like, yeah and everybody turned around and started clapping and that was just one of those moments that was just like so like, ah, you know just to get that kind of support. Okay, it's going to ask you how that made you feel when I was clapping like yeah. It was awesome. It was like there I am wearing just dorky yet another Few Robin Triathlon outfit not looking like, you know, the Instagram pictures of everybody today all smooth and coordinated and you know your socks match your handlebar tape or whatever, you know, it was just nice. It's very supportive and I felt like I again it's why I'm here. It's why I keep coming back. Yeah, and honestly, that would be super inspiring to know that like that's amazing that you can do that. Right because we all know so many Any women that you know, they have a baby and then it's like they let everything go, you know, they're both hard and sometimes you have to let some things go. Yeah, let some things go bad. You don't have to let everything go right? Like it shouldn't be an excuse just to fall apart and eat bonbons and not exercise and take care. I'll you know, I'll have to say that's where having at that time. My husband being really supportive at that really made a difference. Because I think a lot of women they you know, they don't get the time to themselves. You neither their partner isn't available or they're, you know, not in a steady relationship with their partner or just they don't get the kind of support, you know, you'll see around age. They like 28 to 35 when women are really in child, you know, you'll see a lot of guys at triathlons in those age groups and sometimes there's not a lot of women. It's sometimes an easier age group been like 40 to 45 is artery. Age group right two women just kind of drop out. Yeah. So I think that that's part of it is I was just lucky to have the support know my Iron Man picture where I actually can't do this anymore across the finish line hold my kids hands and I'm and then they're like trying to ask me questions. I'm like run run the Finish Line still in front of us. You gotta keep running, you know, so getting to share that with them my husband at the time made that possible. So that was that was Very nice thing that I had in my life. Yeah, that's incredible. I hope you got lots of pictures from that time. Yeah. Yeah. I got lots of good pictures. So out of all the other races that you've done. Do you have any ones that stand out to you? Hmm? Yeah. So I think one of my favorite races I used to do in Canada was called the SRI chinmoy Triathlon at the time. I think it was the biggest Race in Canada. It was in there's on Vancouver Island, and I know that I think that might be where they have the 70.3 now, is that this this Lake there? It's beautiful. I mean it's you know, Vancouver Island's just lovely and but SRI chinmoy with this kind of Guru kind of a guy he was sort of a cross between like, I don't know the Dalai Lama and Jack LaLanne. He was kind of like a spiritual Our who is also sort of an exercise freak and he would have his followers. Do these kind of like weird Feats of like like for instance, he would sponsor a marathon but it was around a high school track. So yeah, right so like it was mental like it was really mental, right? So it was about sort of meditation as you know, and he would do these things where he would like lift incredible weight. Sort ooph. I don't know freight car or something. He just did these incredible things mind-body things. And so they put on this race and it was it was like I said as big as like 800 people mass starts was my first really big mess start and it was in this beautiful place and they would cook like this vegan Feast the night before and all of his followers would turn out for the race and they would like cheer and they have little bells and it was just like a really different vibe than It's races, but I just like combination of just kind of atmosphere the support and just sort of a natural beauty there. I remember being in the The Run finishes on this Trail around the lake and mercy in these two mink like run across the trail in front of me, you know, you're just kind of out in this beautiful nature. So I'd say that was one of my favorite races and I used to go up and do it every year and they had these really cool race t-shirts that had like weird metaphysical poetic kind of sayings on them. So it was fun. That is a standout maybe one of my other favorites is I used to do this race. It was called an Enduro Triathlon and I don't know if they do them in Australia anymore swap nail. It came from Australia the idea and it was you did an Olympic triathlon, but you did it as to Sprint's back to back. So you didn't Swim Bike Run Swim Bike Run. I haven't seen too many of those. That was a trip. That was really fun because For me, you know, you couldn't wear a wetsuit, of course your second time around so that always gives me an advantage because you know, when triathletes take off their wetsuits, it can't swim for shit. Right that was always a bonus for me. So and it was also on a trail around this lake. So it was really pretty so that would be hard. Well now that sort of racing is part of like the Super League stuff, right? They I think they have an Enduro stage of something on that as well. Yeah. I don't know it was cool. But it is really hard to get to start swimming again after you run. I'll have to say that was trippy. Yeah, like yes, can I say were there any drownings in the event? I think that's why they stopped doing this probably a liability. Yeah, because you would cramp up really bad. Oh, yeah, and then there's here's another funny one. I did I used to do this race up in in Washington at Lake Stevens. It was actually the same Lake where they had the 70.3 there eventually. Lee and they started out as a triathlon they moved it to a Quadra Thon so it was Swim Bike Run kayak or canoe so I didn't really know how to kayak so I borrowed a boat from a friend and then like I was I was actually out in front. So I was in first place women's when I got to the boat but I couldn't get in it and I almost tipped over and it was just really ludicrous and then as I'm kayaking I'm still out in front of all the women's field right, but I can't kayak in a Straight line. So I'm like zigging and zagging and I see us one behind me like gaining on me like a Bee Line like she's just going straight and I'm just like all over the lake and then you get to the end. Well, you swam and you fight you've run and then you've sat with your legs cramped in this kayak and you get out and you had to run like a hundred yards up the beach and like your legs don't work. So like crawling and it's just it's quite funny. Yeah, I did manage to hold on to Place by crawling part of the way to the finish line. So there's my Julie Moss moment right there sounds like a rough event, but it sounds like a lot of fun. I think that is one thing I miss a little bit with Triathlon now is it's a little more serious and the and people the events are so like they're always a Sprint or an Olympic or a 70.3 or one 40.6. There's not as much just experimentation. Nobody just puts on. An event is like hey, what if we do this, I think that's going to become more. It's kind of that's going to start happening a lot more like you see the swimmer runs happening this new these new formats coming up. So I'm sure that's where it's headed. Yeah, I want to do a swim run. That's one of my main goals for next year. I want to hear about it when you do it because I think it's so neat was like just all the different things. They were right the paddles and whatever and how you run with your swim with your shoes in your yeah, whatever. Yeah, so it's a Challenge it's like a different different kind of challenge. Yeah carry everything with you. Yeah. Well, they'll have new shoes. I'm sure eventually are you where those dependent guess it would depend on the train because you don't want to wear those like you should like to choose like the barefoot shoes or whatever because what if the trains really well, I'm I run about 80% of my miles in those and I run on 12 May the time so I probably I probably would wear those. Yeah because if he would think that would be the easiest if you wanted to keep them on for swimming they would be probably be the easiest. Easiest thing to do. Yeah, that's what I was thinking. Like. I might actually have an advantage there. I mean almost never have an advantage in running because I'm a pretty terrible Runner but I might have an advantage there because I'm used to it. I'll be cool to hear about when you do it. Yeah. Well the trick there is finding a partner true, you know, because you have to finish together you have to do the whole race together. So most of the people I know are much better Runners than me and much slower swimmers than me. So I got some great people I'd love to do it with but I mean we Wolfie waiting for each other and you have to finish each leg together or could you just crossed? Yeah, I know finish though you do the whole race together. Yeah, so yeah, so that's the tricky part. So I got to find somebody who's has bad at running as I am and is pretty decent swimmer shout-out to your listeners there, you know, somebody's really interested in swim by and do you ever plan on going even longer than Iron Man's or because you know, you've done a few other events like the long swims that you've done you've done some climbing and mountains and stuff like that you is that you want Como into that or maybe try even these double Iron Man the triple Iron Man and stuff like that. Yeah. I do have some like dreams, you know, I guess most people have seen my stuff on Instagram know I had a really bad injury two years ago. I'm still I can't really talk about it because there's a lawsuit involved but I'm still not really fully recovered. So I don't know if I'll ever even be able to do half Ironman distance again yet. I'm hopeful. But I just don't know so there's kind of I had some stuff kind of out there in my mind, but I'm holding on to it and hoping and actually the one I really want to do is the arch to Arc which is the you run from London to the English Channel and then you swim the English Channel and then you bike to Paris. Oh, it's like an 87 mile run then the English Channel and then like a hundred and ninety mile bike. Something it's pretty crazy. But it's I guess like I don't know if I could just do multiple Iron Man's over and over but I could do something crazy like that. Is that race done? How many days is that race if it's you do as an individual so it's not like you're racing against anybody else, but I think the Finish times vary from like sixty eight to ninety four hours or something like that. Oh, wow, so it's you know, it is a I just thought I didn't know if it was like he did. Yeah, so one. Like one leg like one day and then two days later you swim the channel and then they do it all at once. No, so the times are all it's all concurrent. So and I think that there's some Logistics because swimming the channel itself is logistic thing where you have to have a boat and a pilot and the tides and everything. So you would kind of have to logistically plan your run accordingly and then you got to figure sleep in there. So I guess that's why it appeals to me like as opposed to one of those things where you do an Ironman today or Things just because you did it would be kind of a mental challenge like you'd have to work out all this stuff. Yeah. So yeah, so, you know something like that and if I can't do something like that, I probably can do some longer swims. So I've been looking at you know, Channel swims Marathon swims as possibilities, but we'll just have to see how they have a healing process continues. It is hard not to feel like at my Peak anymore. Like I'm I can't really go long or go hard and Anything so I'm just kind of training and so what's that like, I mean, you know having done this well for so long and being it being that outlet that you just talked about earlier. And now that you can do it as much what's that like really hard. I mean, I guess the my Saving Grace is I can I can go, you know a reasonable amount of time like at first when I was injured. I didn't know if I'd be able to run again for If I be able to bite, you know, that is mentally really hard where you're just saying to yourself. I don't know if I can do this thing. I love and I have not been able to return to martial arts, which is kind of my other passion. So that is hard. But now I guess I just feel grateful for whatever I can do so I can swim I can bike. I can run not as hard not as long but I can do it and I did a Sprint race last year. I'll probably do at least one Sprint this year, and I just am trying to be happy. With what I've got because you know, frankly, I don't I don't know too many people who get 30 plus years, you know in anything. So I'm just I'm grateful I guess but you know, like like my my idol sister Madonna and that's kind of where I always had hoped to see myself as just being able to do this, you know in into my later years and and I've I've divorced and remarried. My husband is 13 years younger than me, so We've kind of made a pact he we want to see our 50th wedding anniversary, which means I have to live to a hundred. So that's kind of a tall order. He only has to make it till 87. So I've got to keep myself in like a really great shape. So, you know when we get to do a lot of stuff together, we bike together and stuff and it's really so that again is just keeping my love of doing these things together. We've been doing some backpacking. Other stuff kayaking and I want to be in that kind of shape that you know that I can continue to keep up with them which you know, as you get older it gets more challenging. So so I have a question. It's not related to travel on but it is related to the first thing you have on your Instagram under your name and it says you are a student of the universe. So what does that mean? Exactly? Um, that's a good question. And just like my brain is like a giant sponge and I'm always reading learning experiencing. Like I think some people just kind of like you said, you'll go home watch a few episodes of something go to bed. Get up do it all over again. Like I'm never going to be like that. I want to you know both in sports and you know in my mental life in my spiritual life in my home life my life with love and family and friends. I just always want to be growing and learning and and doing new things. So I guess it's that's it. Like, you know, I don't know. I've learned to speak a new language in the last, you know decade like I'm never going to stop learning things doing things. I learned to play fiddle when my daughter got into Celtic fiddle. I just bought a violin and just like I'm going to learn to do this too, you know, like you never stop growing and learning. Like that, thank you. That's when I read that your Instagram has the first thing I said I said to my husband I said, I wonder what this means like student of the universe. So I like that I like your definition. Yeah. Alright Robin. So as you know, the we have a few questions to take us to the end of the show here. What's the message? You want people listening to take away from your story? Ah, I think that you know, if I look at bookending it was sort of those two things. things that that the start of triathlon I learned that most of my barriers were mental and that, you know, we can overcome a lot if we remove those mental barriers and that's what traf on just teaches me over and over and over and I think at the end that yeah just being a student of the University means always looking out and trying new things or try and the same thing a different way or going to a new place or you know So I think that that those two things are what make me love the sport that I guess that's what I'd hoped to pass on to somebody at least. Okay, and are there any people are bands that you like to give a shout out to cash? I don't know most of my most of my friends in the sport and stuff. I don't know that most of them on Instagram. So but you know, like I said before my aquadecks group and and my husband and my kids everybody that's been super supportive of this. Laziness through my whole life my husband Bryce who's just totally amazing and and really supports me going in and doing these things at all hours of the day and night and my kids Kenzie and ASA are pretty awesome people. So yeah, I guess that's it. Awesome. Okay, I'm before we ask our last question tell everyone where they can find and follow you online on Instagram at Read mom Robin, although I don't know. I keep thinking. I might change my username at some point. So it's pretty cool. Well, I didn't know it's because my youngest is turning 20 and I don't know the mom Hood phase is kind of like falling behind me a little bit. I don't know I gotta think about it. I guess cool. Okay, and I'll ask question. Why do you try I try because I love it so much and it keeps me sane. Shane thanks for coming on the show Robin. It was a pleasure. Yeah, thank you. Thank you is awesome. Like you knew the structure of the show is strange. Yeah, you know, you would think that that would be helpful but I felt like I was just as flummoxed as any other guest probably like you think oh, I'll know what to say and then you're like, yeah, I don't know. You're pretty good. Yeah, great. Well, thanks guys. I'm just so excited to see your ongoing cool things that you're doing and and you're making this Triathlon World better all the time. Thanks for listening everyone. Thanks for being a part of this humans of triathlon Community. Hope you're enjoying the show and the content make sure to join us again next week here on the hot podcast where we'll bring you another amazing guest and story from this Audrey, but I Audrey world of triathlon until then everyone keep trying

Robin started in Triathlon, back in 1987, when the sport was still in its infancy stage. Being a lover of the water, she had been swimming in college when her swim coach, an instrumental figure in her life, made the college swim team do a Triathlon. Running was her weak spot, and she wasn't sure she could even make the terrifying distance of 5k, but her coach took her out for a run one day and showed her that most of the barriers were only in her own mind and that she could accomplish far more than she believed she could. Now, 30+ years later, even after going through various life-events, Triathlon still remains a constant in Robin's life. The solitude and serenity of the long miles of training and racing along with the companionship of Triathlon where people support all of their fellow athletes is what keeps her coming back for more. Being in her fifties now she also appreciates that being a triathlete has kept her making healthy choices for many years. She hopes to follow her role models in the sport, like Sister Madonna Buder, and still be racing strong in her 80s and beyond! - ROBIN'S SOCIAL MEDIA: Instagram - SUBSCRIBE, RATE & REVIEW: if you've enjoyed the show, it would mean a lot to us if you could leave the show a positive review on Apple Podcasts/iTunes. It would help us out a ton! - H.O.T SOCIAL MEDIA: Instagram | Facebook | Strava | Website - HOSTS: Swapneel Chouhan, Sheila Treleaven, & Carlos (Charles) Galan - INTRO/OUTRO MUSIC: produced by Vasil Zguri at SoundPulse

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The two fought and at last night wounded are they're severely in the end night was Victorious, but he had lost so much blood that he could go no further. Marlon took him to a good hermit. Only heal this wound in 3 days. Then the king departed with Marlon and as they were slowly riding along. He said I am still weak from the blood. I have lost and my sword is broken. Do not fear said Merlin you shall lose no more blood and you shall have a good sword right on trustfully with me. They rode in silence until they came to a lake large and quiet and as beautiful and color as a pearl. While Arthur was looking at its beauty. He became suddenly aware of three tall women with Affairs sweet Paces standing on the bank. Who are they the king asked three queens who shall help you at? Your worst need answered Berlin. I'll look out upon the lake again. That turned his eyes upon the lake and saw that in the distance a slight Mist had Arisen through it the beginner of a lady glided over the surface of the water. Her robe appeared to be made of waves which streamed away and flowing curves from her body her head and shoulders seemed wrapped in foam tinted with the colors of the rainbow and her arms littered with sparkles which came from bubbles of water. She was so wonderful, but Arthur looked at her for some time before I asked softly. Who is she she is the Lady of the Lake said Merlin she lives in a rock in the middle of the lake see she is coming towards us. Looking what is beyond her in the water? Or they're looked and saw Rising above the surface of the water. But Norm clothed in Pure White this arm held a huge cross hilted sword so brilliant, but Arthur's eyes were dazzled. But the Lady of the Lake approached nearer, he said Hansel what sword is that? I wish it were mine for I have none the lady smiled saying step into Yonder boat Road The Sword and take it together with the Scabbard. So Arthur and entered a little boat that was tied to the shore. And rode out to the sword as he took it in the Scabbard all gleaming with jewels the hand and arm vanished into the lake and when Arthur looked about the three cleans and the Lady of the Lake were also gone. As Arthur still gazing at the sword road to show her Berlin said to him. My Lord Arthur which pleases you more sword or Scabbard. In truth replied the king the sword. Let me assure. You said Merlin smiling bravely, but this cat part is worth ten of the sword while you have it with you. You shall never lose blood no, no matter how sorely you are wounded. So see that you guarded well. The king I was looking at the sword side. There's writing on the sword. He said true my Lord written in the oldest town in the world. Take me on one side said Arthur and cast me away on the other. I'm glad to take the sword, but it saddens me to think of casting it away. Merlin's face grew sad, too. That's a wise that he knew what was going to happen in the future. And he was well aware that when the time came to cast a sort of way, but she will would have befallen the good King Arthur. But he knew at the time was very far off. So he said you have taken the sword now use it to make Justice and right Prevail in all the land. Do not think of casting in a way until you must. Are there good? Joyful again as he felt the strength of the good sword in his hand? And the two Road cheerfully forward through the country. Although Arthur had been crowned King. He was by no means sure that all the Nobles of the land would accept him as ruler. In accordance with the custom of the time he gave a feast in order to find out who were his friends and who were his enemies own Came To The Feast would he supposed consent to be his followers? He chose the largest Hall in London and had the walls hung with Rich Clough. Upon the floor strewn with Russia's place trestles and across these words were laid upon them. Fine linen linen was spread and golden salt-cellars wine bowls and water jugs said about when the guests assembled there were so many that Arthur was delighted when he thought they were all his friends. He said at the head of the table and Sarah Hector said at the head of the other are there more gold crown on his head, but it was no brighter than his hair and the blue turquoise has with which it was set for no Bluer Than in size. I'm at shoulders to the ground hung a magnificent red robe with gold dragons embroidered upon it. The kochs and Squires came in from the kitchen carrying food. They're ready faces beaming from the of the fires. First of all 60 Boar's Head's were born in on Silver platters and followed on Golden dishes peacocks and plovers which had been so skillfully cooked, but the bright colors were preserved. After the guests had eaten all they cared for of this food. Tiny roasted pigs were brought in and set on all fours upon the tables. By this time all the gold and silver goblets, which had been filled with wine needed revealing. Then the squires carried in beautiful white swans and silver platters and roasted grains in curlews on plates that glowed like the sun after that came rabbits, dude and sweet sauce and the hams and giri's The last chorus consisted of Tarts and preserves dates and figs and pomegranates. The suburb began about five o'clock the guests ate and drank Into the Night. Although it was past eastern time. The weather was a little cold and so upon the stone flagging between the long two tables the king ordered fires to be lighted. the bright Flames darted up flashing on the gold threads woven in the hangings of the walls and on the steel armor of the Lord's and gleaming on the jewels sudden the gold and silver goblets, which the squires are caring about and one side sad a band of musicians singing the glories of King Arthur and of the folk tales of his ancestors and people accompanying themselves on their arms After the guests and risen from the tables and gone to their camps are their sent Messengers to them with Rich Gifts of horses and first and gold. But most of the Lord's received the messengers scornfully take back these gifts to the beardless boy who was coma blow blood. They said we do not want him. We have come here to give him Gifts of our clothes with our heart swords. Messengers were astonished to hear these things open up their good King nevertheless. They told Arthur all that had been said to them he sent no answer back, but he called together. All the Lords of me was Sherwin loyal to him and ask their advice. They said to him we cannot give you advice but we can fight. You speak well, my lords answered Berlin and I thank you for your courage. Will you take the advice of Merlin, you know that he has done much for me and he is very wise. Lords and Barons answered that they would do whatever Merlin asked. When Marlene came to the council Hall, he said I warned you that your enemies are very strong. They have added to their numbers so that now you have against you eleven Mighty Kings as this the Lord's looked dismayed unless our Lord Arthur has more men than he can find in his own Realms and Merlin. He will be overcome and slaying therefore I give you this Council. There are two brothers across the sea all of our monarchs and both are very strong one is King been benwick and the other is King boars of Gaul. Now these two have an enemy also powerful ruler therefore send to the Brothers King boars and King been for now both in benwick and say to them that if they will help or rather in his war against the 11 Kings for their will help them against their common enemy. That is very good counsel said the king and the Lord's so they chose Cyril Pious and Sir brass tedious as Messengers and these two hurried away hopeful of success. When they reach the town in benwick where King Boris and King been were Knights came forth to receive them and hear their message as soon as it was learned from whom they had come they were led into the presence of the brothers. Oh poor very large men King Boris was dark and was dressed in black armor. King band was dark to the colors that he wore on his shield her green and gold. He was the father of Sir Lancelot the Knight who afterwards became the most powerful of the followers of Arthur. The two kings received several be has and xerath Dias with much favor. Tell King Arthur they said that we will come to him as quickly as we can. And they gave Splendid gifts to serve obvious and Sarah brass Dias, and they are right back to Arthur with the message. In a short time King Lords and King been arrived with 10,000 of their soldiers and as Arthur had 10,000 they felt certain of Victory. They went into Wales a country which Arthur's followers who will and waited confidently for their enemy. 11 Kings collected a great host of 60,000 men 50,000 on Horseback and 10,000 on foot. They marched towards the place where Arthur was then set up their camp near would about a mile distant. And Merlin knew this he said to Arthur and his two kings. This is my advice set upon your enemies at midnight when they are unprepared and then you will have the advantage. So Arthur in the Tomb Royal brothers and the 20,000 soldiers prepped up to where the Elven Kings and their men lay. They took the road circling round the wood. Moving with great caution, they drew nearer and nearer until they could see first campfires in a circle around the white tents and then against the flashing blames the dark figures of the men who are keeping guard. Sometimes they were afraid that the noise they made would alarm their enemies. But on account of a heavy wind storm they were unlearned. When his men were quite near Arthur gave the word of command the whole Army uttered a great shout and ran forward and companies upon their enemies in a few minutes. They had knocked down most of the tents and killed many of the soldiers. It was a Dreadful thing to be attacked in the dark without warning that the 11 kings were brave men, even though they were so unjust to Arthur and trying to take his kingdom from him and made a good fight. Perhaps they would have made a better one if they had known help you the men were under Arthur. A four day dawned Merlyn told Arthur to draw back his troops this he did leaving about 10,000 of the enemy Dead behind him. He however had not lost very many men at Daybreak Arthur and his followers saw that the lay of the land could be used to their advantage. Between them and the enemy was a narrow road founded on one side by a lake and On The Other Side by a dense wood one part of this would however was thin enough to allow men to hide in it now said Merlin let King boars and King man take their soldiers and hide the wood for a long time. Then my Lord are there stand up before the enemy with your men. Why shall we do this asked Arthur? The wise old man replied because when the 11 Kings see help you and number your troops. Are they only let you proceed down the passage. They look think that if you merge close to them they can overcome you. But you can fill up this narrow road and more and more men from the wood and the enemy cannot surround you. That seems very good said Arthur and that last continued Merlin when the 11 kings are weary that King Boris and King been come forth then surely the courage of our enemies football. The plan was carried out and Arthur's men marched down the passage. The Greenwood was on one side. And on the other side was the lake the water which was so clear that it reflected the bodies of the soldiers that their Shields and helmets the sun Shone on their armor. A little birds in the woods saying as they passed. But the men were thinking of nothing but the expected battle. When they had come close to the enemy, they saw the 11 Kings all in a row mounted on the big handsome horses are 50,000 men remind them suddenly these Road forward and the battle began. It was a fierce fight in a very short time. The field was covered with overthrown men and horses broke and Shields and helmets my on the ground and many of the knights who had been fighting on Horseback or on a horse and we're fighting on foot. Arthur galloped here and there among his enemies conquering with his trusty sword all with whom he fought the woods and the water rang to this sword Strokes. The noise drowned the songs of birds, but they still sang and blue about gaily all unaware of the Grim death struggle going on beneath them. Finally the time arrived from bringing forward King Boris and his men. The Great Dark King went thundering down upon his enemies. When the king of orkney saw him coming he cried. Oh, we are in great danger. I see King bors one of the best and bravest kings in the world and he is helping our enemy. Then the other kings are astonished for they did not know that Arthur had sent outside his country for help. But we will fight on they said no matter how powerful he is while they were still fighting both great loss of Courage. They heard the loud sounds made by those of the trembling horses and King ban wrote down on them followed by his men. His black brows were frowning and is green and gold colors littered in the Sun. Alas alas cried the king of orkney now in truth. We are lost or here's another king. No less great than his brother boars. We must neither family nor yield the 11 Kings being agreed to this continued the battle those so many of their men were killed the king of orkney wept When he saw some of his men running away, he wept still more where he thought it was better to die than to be a coward though. They did not intend to run away the 11 Kings thought it would be wise to retreat to a little Hill nearby it was late and they were tired and wished her ask you for fighting again. King boars and King ban could not help admiring these rulers in truth said King ban. They are the bravest men. I ever saw I would they were your friends indeed. So what I implied or with her, but I have no hope of that for they are determined to destroy me and so we must fight on at this moment Merlin wrote up in his great love. course Have you not done enough? He cried to Arthur of their 60,000 men. There are left but 15,000 is time to stop I say if you fight on they will win the day the tide will turn against you. Rather hesitated in Marlins said the 11 Kings have a great trouble coming in which they are ignorant the saracens have landed in their countries to the number of over 14,000. So your enemies will have so much fighting to do that. They will not attack you again for three years. Ben are there was glad for it had grieved him deeply divided so long until they lose his good soldiers. We will fight no more than things. And that is well implied Merlin now give presents to your soldiers for today. They have proved themselves equal to the best fighters in the world. True indeed exclaimed came Boris King ban. So Arthur gave gifts to his own men and a great deal of gold to the brother Kings both for themselves and for their soldiers, the two kings went down rejoicing. And that's my darling and stood a story time. As always I hope that you have a very sweet and creepy dreams. Good night.

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We are talking a lot of Netflix's Lucifer season 4 episode 3. Oh ye of little faith father grab your appletinis because that AfterBuzz after shows about to start right? You're tuned in to AfterBuzz TV the ESPN of TB top now. Look, where's my Appletini? Where's that Appletini? That's how we're you told me. You were gonna bring it Plum sighs vile. I put our pour some in your Greg. No good. I'm gonna start saying everything's Plum sighs now because plums can apparently be besides of a marble to the size of a watermelon. Hey Alyssa plump seed plenty of Ever been to Bed Bath & Beyond things that are Plum sized and the Beyond section they are yeah, that's where it works. That's why it works. What section would you guys all be in? This week's breakdown. Today's Netflix is Lucifer season 4 episode 3 O ye of little faith father a line that was actually said in the show, which made it even more fun along with the show. We have of course the wonderful illustrious panel that we always have present all the way to my left Stephen, Lemieux. No, W be no white boy. This one. Just just the name. I appreciate that. Well, actually Father Tim Lee became my favorite white boy, so you actually got demoted. It wasn't a compliment because he's in jail or because the beard or what is it? That made them real? I can't wait for his mixtape to drop and of course the person who's mixtape is the most fire on Soundcloud Roxy's dryers in the building. No that sounded like little mm. That's not better. That was some little Yeah, well, um Roxy's fire in the building. Yeah, these episodes are getting better and better man. I this episode was awesome and I can't wait to break it down. Yeah. I cannot wait and of course, I'm your host. My name is Tehran you can catch me hosting this and of course slew of other AfterBuzz after shows where we talk all good things, but this might be my favorite one because we are talking Netflix's Lucifer season 4 episode 3 O ye of little faith father. I feel like that was directed directly towards you Steve. Yeah. I just yeah exactly a little bit. Middletown hmm. Are you both of little faith? We are a little bit out. How are you of much faith? I am a faith-driven person. My faith also is mostly just about myself but still I have faith in humanity. I have a plum size device that one. I don't know most that's why our faith. Okay. Today's break down. We're gonna go over. Of course. We're going to start with the case. And then we're going to get to the heart of the show and how that case applies to it father Ken Lee and Lucifer meet and greet and he's not a normal priest Lucifer's Daddy. Issues Chloe struggles with is Lucifer good or evil. I'd love to know what you think as well loosen for things. Chloe is lying. What she is Lucifer does charity and I don't mean the stripper from season three. Oh, her name was candy. Never mind. Can Khloe ever accept Lucifer his true face. Dr. Linda's analysis. Dan needs comfort and gets it. Yeah, Mase and Dan beat up. Low Sexes amenadiel does the most human male thing I've ever seen on the show. How did she get pregnant? But tries to be a dad and a husband L. It takes off the chain the prophecy father Kim Lee is excommunicated and a new girl walks in news and gossip special segment circles of hell predictions and much more. Yeah. We have a lot to discuss let's get into those overall thought as you were just saying that I remembered all of the things that I just was obsessed about in this episode. I mean the the damn storyline has me totally freaked out right now, and I'm curious where we're going to go with that. That the tables have turned with Lucifer and Chloe and I'm really invested in that and like Stephen talked about it believe in episode 1 and episode 2. I love that. They're just paying these off so quickly and we don't have to wait for episodes before we see arguments results all that stuff. So to me this episode was the best of the season so far. Thank you Netflix. I'm so glad I don't have to wait a week. I do not have to go home. Wait a week and then watch the next episode I can watch what happens after this appletini. Hmm directly today. Yeah, because we're we have to give him that binge. What were your thoughts on this episode? I liked the episode A lot. It was a little bit more setup than the previous to the previous two were like, let's create. Let's tackle these issues that are with the characters right. Now. It kind of rehashed a few things from the first two episodes just with the shoe on a different foot instead of it being Chloe distrusting of Lucifer and not knowing who he is. It's now Lucifer distrusting of Chloe and not knowing if she's who she really is. Basically father Gaslight just being kind of a dick and also even with the even with the murders, it's really playing on this whole Charlotte thing with like the first episode was people who were was the person who was murdered turning life around and everything like that people who are in witness protection, and now this episode again people who are turning your life around to get away from the violence of their past. So it's really really heavy handed on the nose in terms of people. Can you escape your past and how that pertains to So far. Well, I felt that it had a lot to do with people aren't who they seem to be so in the second episode we get the kindergarten teacher who everyone loves who we find out is a major b word and here we get people who you would think are criminals or bad people and that they are the ones who have turned their lives around we get a lot of that actually within the Bible itself. If you know the people who are chosen by God aren't the people that should have been chosen. I mean Noah was a drunk. So I like the way the story's going. Owing the fast-paced Miss Roxy brought pointed out last time we have a conversation Netflix gives us a payoff where we don't have to wait and they don't have to make us beg for what's going to be on next episode. They just give it to us raw and I really liked that a lot. Yeah, I said it and I meant it all the way and I would also like to say that that bar children are also so past that will stick with me forever. Let's talk about the case. So there's a technology expert come billionaire there. The victim ex-gang member low Sexes. I don't know why this is Milo Texas doesn't look cool. It slow sex s double shocker is what you're doing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm not this is not nothing gangster about that. Turn rocket scientist Susan a chola 29 quick turnaround on the rocket science, by the way, literally and metaphorically stabbed in the back then we also get a second victim David Ramirez, which is how we clear are we clear? Or come billionaire Anders Brody David Romero is 27 Apprentice mechanic who lived in the back of the shop also stabbed in the back. Also a member of low Sexes. So this storyline took a turn for the better at the end with it being a conspiracy by father gas light, which I'm going to refer to him as that. It's father Carolina Killians father and I really think what's really sad about the storyline is what they do with Anders when Lucifer asks him what he desires is they set up for the fact that She was clean they set up for the fact that the girl was murdered was clean. And then right at the end. They have the guy be like she was doing drugs again. She was a the other guy was a thief and it's so sad because Anders has proven that she wasn't doing drugs again father Gaslight was lying to that guy as well and got a God-fearing man to kill two people by lying to him which theoretically makes you think that the show's stance on can people change or can you put out one person? And then think you're another person and grow is yes, you can but the past will always follow you and it will haunt you yeah nature versus nurture the concept of Oscar Rivas the counselor and Mentor being the one who murdered them. Mmm and in a gruesome way, of course stabbing them in the back. That's the worst. It's an expression for a reason, you know, you stab somebody in the back and that's I love to be the the theorist here at the table first. Second just with this one part this entire episodes obviously about being stabbed in the back and being thank you and being blindsided and I think that this is such a great visual that were just looking at these two people gushing very very neon red blood from their backs. No one makes me bleed my own blood. Well, that's the concept every case of course has a deeper meaning in each episode of Lucifer and you are a hundred. Percent on the nose with it Roxy. It is about being stabbed in the back. Which means I finally got it. You got it. No, man, you got it good. That's why you're the queen of the brains your back is turned because the the objectivity is that you trust the person enough to turn your back on them. Oh backstab got it. Okay. There you go. There you go. Thank you Stephen. So when we get into the case is really about we find out about backstabbing. And of course Chloe is in essence backstabbing Loop Lucifer, but the way he finds out is because father Ken Lee and Lucifer meet and greet. Why do you guys think that she continues to lie to him about this when he clearly knows something's up. He asks her in so many different ways he meets with Father Kinley. He tries to trust her he asks her so you didn't tell anybody so no one knows so I have zero reason not to trust you. I mean he's clearly Fishing she's a detective. She senses things about him. We've seen her get to the bottom of him. So many times why why isn't she telling him? I think it's just one of those things. That's like he never it's what Linda said once you ring that Bell a can't be unrung and I think for her sake that's the same thing as like once I say this it can't be unsaid once he knows about this. It can't be undone because I think regardless of her telling him or not. He would have had that reaction and I think she knew that conversation would lead to what happened ultimately at the end which was them stepping apart from each other. I Also would like to add that it was the most human of all things to deny. So by not admitting it to Lucifer. She's not admitting it to herself as well. Also, most of us have been in the situation where a parent or someone we love has caught us and even though we're caught red-handed. We still deny deny deny till you die. Sorry Margaret. Do you want she's embarrassed you think she ashamed she's ashamed that she did that because that's such a a weird such a weird thing as an audience member obviously being able to look at both perspectives and trying to step back objectively. How can anybody be ashamed that they were going to maybe try to take out the devil because it's not just the devil. Let's not forget. It's also kind of lover her her friend. It's it's it's preconceived perceptions of somebody told to you by somebody else. It's like if somebody told me that you were like a heinous Serial killer Roxy and they had like a bunch of haphazard evidence, but they'll have believed it. But there's a lot of evidence if someone's your killer at this panel. I was like, okay, I'm gonna go ahead and kill Roxy and then I'm like, actually I'm not going to karate actually no, Roxy. Should I then be like later when you're like Steven there's nothing haven't told me like, well there was that time. I was gonna kill you. Yeah, you should well there's also something to tell you about Lucifer that actually that actual point happens when Lucifer visits Linda Dr. Linda and says the whole situation is like I'm being betrayed by the detective who I trust how do you know some complete stranger told me but he hasn't that's that's the issue is everyone believes what they see. She didn't believe he was Satan until she saw his face and now he wouldn't have believed it. But then she very obviously lied to him and the stranger who told him how would he have known the situation if it hadn't been somewhat true. Obviously, he wasn't telling the full truth, but he was telling Partial truth. I think that you just mentioned Linda she is a really bad therapists. I've been listening to some of the advice. She's been giving mmm Linda. Mmm, every time loser Lou leaves your room. I think he's worse off than before he came. I'm gonna have to disagree with that and I'll tell you why because Linda is all about a concept that we found out in episode 1 of the Season angels have self-actualization and she's all about you. Ooh self-actualizing. So she's actually putting it out Lucifer is not the one picking it up. He's picking up the wrong meaning as he walks out. You have to know your players Tehran and if you coach everybody the same ways, are you a good therapist? She knows him. She's been his therapist for four years. Now. I remember was banging him at some point, which also doesn't make a particularly great. The hair was wet the same like, yeah, you know, I wasn't questioning her when she was banging our clients left and right. I was questioning her now. Lucifer was a much more sexual creature in the first season of Lucifer the show. So the Lucifer that they presented also had a sexual energy that he would present and would therefore attract attract any sexual being around him. And so was it Linda's fault or was it Lucifer's power? We weren't so sure but now that but once Linda got her head on straight. She has not shown him any sense of Traction just to be fair just to be fair towards dr. Lynn. We got a crush on Linda or something. I do have a little crush on Linda. I like dr. Linda. I like smart women. You're not spicy enough was Roxy. I'm not a spicy drink guy. I'm not a minute deal enough. So she wants she wants that. You're not a man ideal enough. Okay. All right. Thank you. All right. So father Kenley basically sets it up. Are we thinking that this is a setup or I last episode I think I predicted that he wasn't going to be as bad as I thought I take that back. He's obviously going to be the big bad. I just don't understand. I am glad we finally got to the bottom of it by the end, but I didn't know why making her turn against and by her, I mean Khloe turn against Lucifer Lucifer turn against Chloe how that would help extract him from Earth. And now I'm seeing that it's kind of an either/or situation. We either need to Get rid of him or make it so he doesn't do true evil. Yeah, so the we learned the prophecy this episode. We finally know what the prophecy is that father Ken Lee was so against which again if the prophecy each time the Devil comes on is that he falls in love and evil decides to go come billionaire. So I think like right now father Ken Lee was just doing whatever it took to either send him back to hell or not have him fall in love. But again with the Catholic Church, they don't believe that it's actually Lucifer. So we also learned that the association of exorcists is really like not a thing. It's just father Kim Lee. Yeah, and I'm not losing far enough not to say bless you Roxy you want to know what I learned this week that which is really interesting. I don't know if you guys have ever heard this apparently when you sneeze it's because the something that somebody else is saying is very true. So whatever you just said Stephen, I think it's true the truth truth. Okay, Steven, so we hear about the end of days. Prophecy, which is of course the return of Satan through the Antichrist and that would understandably be in the form of someone he loves especially with the setup of amenadiel and Linda having a baby. I think it's more like Lucifer is already shown that he'll do anything for somebody he loves. So what if the person he loves is skewed towards Temptation and skewed towards the more sinful instincts of humanity. And what will he do for her and how will it turn into? Into disaster and evil and then at the same time, what will the Catholic church over do once they actually realize that the prophecy starting to come true. Do you believe do either of you believe father Kim Lee his father Ken Lee. An honest person do I believe that that's what he believes or do I have the same beliefs as no? No. No, do you believe him because he when he says things he's lying is the prophecy true. Yes. I think he believes the prophecy is true. For sure. I think he believes everything he's saying but like I like I've mentioned before Lucifer thought everything he was saying was fact that he was Untouchable. Then he met Chloe everything you're saying couldn't be true until XYZ. So So that might be the prophecy how you interpret things is the same thing going on Game of Thrones right now guys, we're trying to interpret the prophecy and we know that sometimes what your human ears interpret as the prophecy is not actually how its intended. So I don't know if he his interpretation of what's going on. Do I believe that no almost three episodes Without A Game of Thrones reference. Thank you. Now she and on the other episode. Did she Know Nothing Jon Snow? Oh, yes the On snow reference good call Stephen Stephen question for you. You said yes, I think yes. I think the prophecy is real because prophecies are based on previous happenstance has of things happening. That's a terrible sentence. But like if if you go to the dog park and every time your dog takes a dump, there's a prophecy that the next time you go to the dog park your dogs and take a dump. It doesn't mean that it's going to happen. But it means there's a good chance of it happening. So with a season that's basically building up all this past versus can people change it's the past to shown that this has happened with Lucifer. Can he change and prevent the prosthesis Prophecy from happening this time? I don't know but if he doesn't try it will happen and father Gaslight would have been in the right to try to stop that. So Lucifer and father Gaslight great great way to go Lucifer has his own daddy issues whenever you hear his father he kind of cringes. What are your thoughts on Lucifer's Daddy? Shoes, I think that he deserves to have them not it makes sense. I mean if my dad was gone and definitely would have some issues as well. And I don't know how how fair or how good God has been to Lucifer in this story that's been presented to US versus how he's treated amenadiel and I understand why he does have that I make sense. I don't know. Can you repeat the question sorry, but we're just asking attention to much what Roxy was saying. I lose the first daddy's issues daddy issues. I was thinking of Lucifer's our sugar daddy and that kind of thing so I can get off my Aunt Angela. Are you asking that in comparison to Father Gaslight? Do you think that he is looking at father Gaslight as an older male figure and entrusting him more because of his daddy issues. I was actually referring specifically to the concept that anytime father of fatherhood. Brought up Lucifer always brings up God and how he wasn't there. He has that conversation with and that deal. Okay. So we talked about these daddy issues and he mentions it to father now. I'm calling him father gasps. Laughs honestly as well. Yeah father Kingsley as well where he tells Father Kelly he's says, oh, well, I have my own daddy issues got it. I wasn't realizing that the daddy issues were that prevalent, but you're right with the scene with amenadiel where he talks about how our father wasn't even there so you will be better than that. That I completely agree and it's not the first time. So the daddy issues concept has gone on throughout season 1 Season 2 Season 3 and now is brought back but has never been this blunt before we've always had sprinkle. But this time it's just he keeps bringing it up season one was very on the nose. But yeah, I think it's in his face too because he's constantly dealing with priests father issues. This is the father speaking which shout out because I barely even recognize him as a saint of all kill. Is from preacher I'm loving DC keeping this in the same universe, which is awesome. But I think that when you're confronted constantly with the voice of your dad the voice of your dad, that's what these priests are. Essentially that's got to keep bringing up these wounds and I I don't know he really desperately does need a therapist again. I don't know if Linda is the right one for him, but he needs to talk to somebody because I like being the the son of like a beetle or something like that where it's just like your dad is So famous that you can't be seen or talked in like without people bring it up or having that in the back of your mind subconscious inferiority. If your dad is God, it's got to be a little different than if you are which one of them has a daughter John Ringo one of them one of them short Rings like I mean, I just I don't I don't know if you if if there's any comparison on this Earth to legitimately your dad. Being the Creator. No, but I'm just saying like in terms of like Paris Jackson, but yeah, but in terms of loosing documentary Lucifer literally moved to Los Angeles, which is like the town of daddy issues caused by famous parents the saying there's something to draw off I do is think of God as famous. Yeah. Yes. Oh, okay like not as famous as Kanye but like up there. Yeah, he's definitely up there. He's no he's no Yeezus become let's calm down it but But I do agree. We all do have the need or at least the want to talk to someone that's why we America has daddy issues to let him try. Yeah, Steven. Would you like to talk about AfterBuzz? I want to talk about a minute deals. Daddy your shirt. You guys hear that? I'm not even able to get through the show without mentioning Game of Thrones or any other TV show or preacher. Like thank goodness. We have after post do have Cell coverage for all the other TV shows because I seriously as a superfan listen to so many of our different breakdowns and need them more than anything. That's why we're the ESPN MTV telling so we have over a hundred have a week. Yeah, very true. 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Um, let's tell you that you can go to iTunes leave a five stars and rating I'll give you a shout on the show, but we are available podcast. So good iTunes and do that. Yeah. Appreciate each and every one of you remember this panel isn't just us. It's all of you at home. You guys are if not as much more so part of this panel and we do enjoy your comments so so very much and I would love to know what you guys think about. Chloe struggles with Lucifer is Lucifer good or evil, let's start that poll below good or evil is Lucifer good or evil and also you don't necessarily on that have to explain yourself. I just want to know good or evil if it's black or white good. Good or evil? Why's it got to be black? Okay. So I said black or white good or evil black was the good that's hurtful to my second favorite white boy Steven. Mmm father gasps lights really pushing back. That's a pedestal. So which one is it good or evil Lucifer? I think he's fairly human and moralistic integrity the game ever. You gotta give you the answer. No cuz it's like if your it depends on what your because everyone has a different way. I think he's good. Everyone has a thank you. Jeff. Everyone has a different moral scale. Right? So if you're gonna base Lucifer's actions on his morality, then he's evil because he tortured people for Millennia, but he also see people who deserved it. Yes. It says the job. Yeah, but even if you're gonna find somebody and like, oh, well they deserved. Who deserves what? How do you get to decide? What's the devil? You know who decides that God and God specifically put Lucifer in charge of this. So God tells man not to judge but doesn't say any of that to the angels. I said, he's good. Thank you Roxy Rocket plaque in the game. I know how to win games. So lose with these Chloe is lying. And and why is that because she is ax facts bitch Chloe in this episode. Are you kidding me? This is not the Chloe. I want to see and finally we do get to the Chloe I want and the Chloe that I love but this whole episode. I just want to shake her and be like, why are you doing this why it's so mean and he's been nothing but good to you even nothing but kind to you he's done nothing but save your life time and time again, and you don't you're not even trying to kill him anymore. So just be honest. He's given you every opportunity. I was annoyed. It's a very annoying situation and also plays in apart or father Kenley is excommunicated and here we see a lack of communication very interesting dichotomy that goes on. Hey, yo before we continue one of the ways we keep all these shows for you free is by our amazing sponsors. And today Spotify is one of our sponsors on Spotify. You can listen to all of your favorite artists and podcasts in one place for free. You don't even need a premium account Spotify as a huge catalogue of podcasts. Every topic including the one you're listening to right now on Spotify. You can follow your favorite podcast. So you don't miss an episode premium users can even download episodes to listen to offline wherever they are and you can easily share what you're listening to with all your friends and following on Instagram. If you haven't done so already be sure to download the Spotify app and search for AfterBuzz TV on Spotify or browse podcasts in the your library tab. Also, make sure you follow us you never miss an episode of AfterBuzz TV good good. It's do observations. Yeah. Hey lose heart. Does charity that didn't do it though, or do you know they just showed up I know but it seemed really Sinister the way Chloe was taking him there. Can I ask you guys a question maybe blinked and missed it? But all I see is that it says on the sign community service, Tennessee about it. Well, yeah, it's very specific. They were gonna Feed the Homeless I think is what it was. It was like a soup kitchen. Okay. I've done a ton of community service in my day. Don't forget. I was a girl scout for 13 years. Never have I ever done something that has a banner behind that says community service like it that way. If you are going to get super soup kitchen, is that what you want to look up and see as they're serving you community service? Maybe that's just the soup of the day rocks. Mmm-hmm. Don't say anything let him sit in that can Chloe ever accept Lucifer and through it Lucifer's face. He said she said I don't know but I want to I don't think this is a vain thing. And anyway, I don't think this is about what he looks like and her not liking him not being physically attracted to him. I think it's almost more like a bestiality kind of thing. Can I accept that? I'm in love with somebody who is not A human a species that is not human. I don't think that all your you might be right but I don't think that at all. I think it's I think it's not even his face. You're right that it's not his face. But I think his face is the manifestation of everything. She views him to be right now. Paul yes that to that as well, but I don't think because I'm sure people online are like well, she can't love them because his face is deformed. It's not that his face is to form decide. It's not it's not human face. Yeah, someone loves seal. What do you sound? So the concept is when it comes to the when it comes to Lucifer and Lucifer shows face. She Chloe breaks down and in an emotional scene, which I thought was Bleep placed we get some real Chloe says I'm terrified shouts it it was like an acting Workshop there great set, you know when you when they say but what do you really feel and what deeper what's behind that layer? It's that I'm terrified and she's bawling. I was just thinking yes, she can't even raise her eyes and look at him when he has the same face. Same face Green Goblin. Yeah. I don't know if I would be able to either it's a hard thing. NG to to actually be able to process I wonder though when he says so she says I don't know if I'll ever be able to accept it and he says that I know what I have to do or what does that mean basically leave her or not be with her and I'll be her partner see her lover. I know what your other answer is. So I think it's just like he's just like there isn't a future that he was imagining as a co-worker or as a romantic love interest. I think well the co-worker and the romantic Of interest in my opinion go hand in hand because if we remember when Chloe was gone Lucifer wasn't working on cases. I mean the only reason he's really working on cases. He doesn't have a stake in the hand of all these murders. It's because of Chloe he gets to be close with Chloe. It's them Dan certainly not letting him on set. What is that called when there's a body dead body. It's not set the crime scene crime scene Alexa. So the concept Is Chloe goes and finishes off this case by herself and Dan even ask? What's where's Lucifer? Oh, we're not working together anymore. Yeah, so I let's see how long that sticks for. Let's see how long it takes for Dan Man Dan had a great story Lan Man Dan storyline. So Dan needed comfort and he gets it in the best worst possible way. Let's examine the low Sexes who needs a warrant nowadays now, you don't need it. Well clearly Khloe operates under that. To considering every time they see somebody Lucifer beats the living crap out of them. Yeah, or he kicks down the door and jumps into the house because they think he's the murderer like a probable cause whatever it is. It's insane, but that has been more reminiscent of who Chloe is for the last few seasons Dan. We have not seen this side of really he's been more of a stickler for the rules and now that he's lost who he's probably deeming at this time to be the love of his life and he's not seeing his daughter as much because she was apparently Just taking a Europe and his ex-wife is definitely out of the picture. I think he's starting to figure out who he is and mazes take him down a dark path really quick. I think it's interesting if you look at Charlotte as like the angel on Dan's shoulder and now look at Mase is like the demon on her shoulder There's No Angel there anymore. And even with the daughter like even with Trixie like Trixie we talked about the imaginary friend, but maze is like really. Hey check out this knife. Let me pass you this knife like maze is the bad influence. Are they going to Bone? Well, it looks like it might be going down that path. I was actually going to ask you guys that I do want to remind everyone that in season one Dan started off a bad cop which is how he got demoted down to regular beat instead of detective in the first place. This is him reverting not him converting different good point good point so you can change for the better or for the worse or from worse to better to worse Dirty Dan. I kind of like the stand is our Maze and Dan Gonna hit it off Charmazing Dan. Let's just leave it hanging right there are Maze and Dan. Yes. I think they will know I don't really want that days. I don't think so shipping. It is day think they're gonna get close man. That's pretty great. I think they're going to get close, but I think he's going to stop it in its tracks. He comes to us and he's just gonna be like, this is not this is old me. Again. This whole season is past catching out to people or whether it will or not or whether people can change their nature. And I think this is another Temptation towards Dan to go back to his old self. And can he resist the temptation or can he stay the person he's become but it's always kind of cool though to see her make that decision if we see maze grow a little bit and say Dan you deserve different. This is not a good match instead of Dan realizing I mean, I'm still stuck on May's having pink hair right now. I can't see that much growth. She is slaying girl really quick amenadiel and the pregnancy and trying to be a dad and a husband and be an extra not surprised. That's his whole Mo I'm going to be a good guy. I'm here. I'm showing up. Let me propose blah. No. No, I don't know such a great scene. Ella takes off the chain interesting a if I was damned, I'd be feeling like a hot pile of dog poop for pointing it out and then having her take it off. You don't want a mess with somebody else's faith. I always saw it as misery loves company and Dan is miserable right now and wanted Ella to join. Yep. He just kind of projecting his own misery on to other people and everybody's already miserable and they're both miserable for the same reason right now. So it's even worse and then we get the new girl walk again. Hey, and I threw out a prediction of sorts, but I think it was kind of spot on Eve the first love we get this prophecy First Love lose for his first love is Eve Eve orders an Appletini. We all definitely He saw that yeah, everyone was like, oh my God an apple. She must be Eve. All I was thinking was what a little bitch drink. Yeah kind of and and then I felt like really dumb she hasn't been named yet. However, we know is in bar lava who is an Israeli Superstar come alive. So it's really super stars. Let's see. If you haven't been paying attention to them Gal Gadot my Wonder Woman. Hey, they're coming up. They're coming up and they're coming for you. So let's get into some news and gossip. All right. Here we go. So you guys know that if you follow of your loving Lucifer, you should definitely be following them on Twitter because they do so much interactive stuff even lose for writers room. They're both verified. So they're easy to find they were trending at number one, which I was so happy to see because people didn't know when this was coming back how it would actually look so they were trending at number one in the US. We did a live Q&A also and we had some of the cast members that were answering questions. Although it seems like they might be a little tipsy because Kind of they were asked some things that are like, oh, so these are the writer's actually Jeff. Yeah, you can hit it. They were talking about the season Joe Henderson and Chris Rafferty to the writers from the show. This is a proud was were there any things to do in season 4 which got cut out and the answer I think actually is no but I think there's a lot of ideas we have for season 5 that has we were brainstorming season for we found that we could do in season 5 if we are so lucky. Yeah. Everyone's butt everyone's butt everyone's butt. So that's what I love to hear that. We're going to see more booty and that they're planning on season 5, which I'm really excited about there. Also was a tweet put out by Netflix talking about what we did in this to make it so that they were coming back which was three point six four million tweets that were put out by us. Wow, hashtag save Lucifer and 5.63 million retweets. So way to go team. I know I did at least half of And that's your news and gossip before I Lucifer. We are the ones who brought it back by we I mean you write great job. I already know that's how it went. Let's jump into our special segment. Not that I'm so eager. But let's go to the circles of hell guys. We're gonna be talking about the third circle of hell, which I'm going to really stretch this to make it work with the episode because it's gluttony and let's just say this episode didn't really have a lot of food eating competitions or anything like that. But when reaching the third circle of hell, Dante and Virgil, Souls find the gluttons there overlooked by the worm monster Cerberus which you've seen portrayed as a three-headed dog in a lot of things and the sinners in the circle are punished by being forced to lie in slush by a never-ending icy rain and it symbolizes the personal degradation of the one who overindulgence in food drink and other worldly pleasures, but they're unable to see others around them and that represents the Glutton selfishness and coldness of being unable to see other people so we can make this work with the episode especially the Dan are you kidding? This was a very gluttonous episode for Dan not giving it a half about anybody else and just wanting to have that worldly pleasure of murdering and punching and kicking and maybe making out with a really hot chick demon demon chick. Hell. Yeah, so Dan's totally in on this. Also, if you look at Cerberus as somebody who's overlooking people who aren't seeing each other for what they are, then you could say that father Gaslight is kind of the Cerberus to this third level of hell for this episode where Lucifer is unable to really You know see it from the other person's perspective for Chloe which draws a spike between them and Chloe who's unable to see that Lucifer already knows and she needs to come clean and also you could also take it from the guy who decided to eat a wooden Spike who couldn't see that. I can't blow around had. Oh my God don't mention it again Netflix, Oh, you know, it's just getting the splinters out of your tongue is really tough business when you're dead, you don't have to but he couldn't see that he was being lied to and he couldn't see the people that have He was protecting actually were on the straight and narrow and not relapsing into their bad old habits. All right, you made it work. You did make it work. And now let's go to some gluttony because I'm hungry. But before we get to get some food, yeah, I'm pointing at Roxy. Let's get into some quick prediction your AfterBuzz TV prediction father gaslights partner-in-crime going to be dead by next episode Bishop Hoffman Bishop Hoffman did One black Bishop. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. We're killing them. I thought that was ERG from gifted. Sorry guys. I don't think he's gonna die. I think he's going to become subservient bitch Bishop to Father Gaslight. Once the prophecy starts coming true and they get backing from the church bitch Bishop never heard that before. I've never heard that I think that I think that the young lady at the end is Eve and I think that that's going to play and Lucifer and her going to We candles some type of love hate love that will make Chloe jealous. You think she's actually Eve. She's like in terms of Lucifer will recognize her as Eve, I believe so, okay. So this isn't Lucifer and Eve meeting for the first time. This is like this is easy. Yo, what up my old friend with benefits? This is Eve God whether it's a Reincarnation of Eve the way we had Charlotte or Eve herself. This is easy. I don't think reincarnation and different body. I think her. Wow. Okay, I wasn't seeing that way the likelihood of Being in a really hot bod like that twice probably not so it's gotta be her. I mean Tom Ellis has been a really hot bod many times. Hey, all right. 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The Lucifer After Show for Season 4 Episode 3 “Oh, Ye of Little Faith, Father” - The questioning tables have turned as Lucifer is being gaslit by Father Kinley (AKA Father Gaslight) as he’s not distrustful of Chloe. Chloe doesn’t help matters because she LIES to Lucifer! Meanwhile Maze gets Trixie a Knife, Amenadiel proposes to Linda so he can try to be a better father than his own; Dan and Maze have a girl’s night out; and Kinley manipulates a god-fearing man into killing 2 innocent people but fails to prove lucifer’s lucifer-ness to the bishop and gets locked up. Unfortunately in the end it looks like Chloe’s hesitance has split them up, and thus ended the prophecy… or has it? Lucifer is BACK! Cancelled but not for long! Thank god for netflix, and thank god for AfterBuzz TV, because WE'RE BACK TOO! Covering the latest episodes of Lucifer! Join us every episode for in depth discussion and breakdowns! There may even be some special guests so be sure to subscribe rate and comment! ABOUT LUCIFER: Lucifer is an American television series created by Tom Kapinos that is scheduled to premiere on Fox on January 25, 2016. It is a very loose adaptation of the comic book character created by Neil Gaiman for the comic book series The Sandman and its spin-off comic book series Lucifer written by Mike Carey, both published by DC Comics' Vertigo imprint.

In the words of Colin Powell, there are no secrets to success. It is a result of preparation hard work and learning from failure. Welcome to episode 8, I'm excited to share this episode with you. Happy New Year. Happy 2020. I hope you'll years off to a good start. We're starting off the year with a brand new episode and I'm chatting with Jacqueline. Woo of malucci magazine manucci bride my Gisin is the leading a wedding magazine and online wedding Marketplace catering to Multicultural couples and serving the wedding and event industry. Jackie shares her journey since she launched malucci bride magazine in 2010 challenges. She has faced since the launch of the magazine advice on how creative entrepreneurs can get their work published and some do's and don'ts if you're looking to grow your wedding business by getting more press. Features and seeing your work in print or online. You're going to love this podcast. Take a listen. Hi friends, welcome to my podcast. Let's talk about it. My name is akechi. I can seye party planner event designer business coach author and founder of Kesh events, and I am your host each week. I'm going to bring you conversations about life business events lifestyle weddings and everything in between. Thank For joining me for today's episode. Let's Dive In. This episode is sponsored by anchor. If you haven't heard about anchor it's the easiest way to make a podcast. It is free and an amazing and easy creation tool that allows you to record and edit your podcast right from your phone or your computer and could also help you distribute your podcast through Outlets like Spotify Apple podcast and many more. It is everything. You need to make a podcast all in one place download the free anchor app, or Go to Anchor that afem to get started. Hello. Hello Jackie. Happy New Year. Happy New Year. Merry Christmas. Happy Thanksgiving. Happy Thanksgiving. Happy Easter. Happy Everything. How are you doing? I'm good. Let's I'm so excited like this year started. I feel like today is a 20th of January because like we hit the first like crazy and hard. So right I am books just with so much excitement. We literally launched so much and there's All these amazing things happening. Like it's only the fourth. I knew many solutions all your launches and then you have my birthday coming up. So, you know, right forget everything. It's your birthday. So I I was saying when I was sharing and we were talking about it and how this whole podcasting even happened right like you were like you crazy girl don't need to hear you're so funny in years. Sweet voice and you need to do a pocket that was like girl Na and you know only took me three months to get you enough. McCall but all this time I've seen you and we would spend time together and all that stuff but it's happening when it should happen. I'm super excited for first and foremost. I know you're so busy. Thank you so much for doing this. I'm so glad this episode is I mean what-what are just discussion is going to be so good. I literally woke up so excited. So we're gonna dive in the first thank you for the push ask me up. Yes on the side I do pr. So if you ever need if you ever need it, you know PR agent. I miss my no, thank you for the push. Thank you for all that. You do. Thank you for your support. This podcast is happening because you you literally push them in encouraged me to do it. So thank you and thank you. Thank you. Thank you and last month. We were in the Bahamas together. Yeah your retreat which was so fun. And life-changing and and all of you. Have you gotten some rest since the retreat I did, you know, I did I finally did I slept for like 3 weeks. So now I'm wide awake and ready to rock and roll. I mean, we're actually going to announce the next location soon, but I guess we'll get to that later. But yeah, it was it was good. It was a you know, the energy is always great. There's always something new that's learned the connection. As were fantastic. So yeah, it was just a wonderful experience. It was I'm admitting I thank you. Thank you, but you know what? I mean? I had to pinch myself a few times because I'm like this this time. I was last year was great this year. You had like it Sheila Johnson and Preston Bailey at the in the same room like in the same room. It was crazy. It was my crazy only like five years no pressure though. And then of course that I could catch you. Designer Gala for press and I'm like, no big deal with my Sheila Johnson that you can be sitting here and I'm like, so Kristen pricing Bailey that loves flock that Lily's flower. God would like or no pressure. He is crazy by the way. Preston will be there and Sheila's not to give him an award and you're like, huh? Right? Am I wait wait, wait, wait wait, so but it was so good. It was good and it was a nice way to wrap up the ear and just watched it and it You see the energy the education the connection like you're you're very good at connecting people if I say and I can speak to this by say. Hey Jackie. I want to connect more with Allah you say hold on. You should talk to this person this person and this person and you do it all the time and not everybody's so willing to help other people grow or and With No Agenda like you're not saying like oh if you do this, Well, thank you. Anyway. All right, so we have a very I have I have a ton of questions for you. So I'm for the sake of everybody was sending I want to make sure I asked everything and just get as much juice out of you and you got so first I wanted to I want to talk about the history of malucci. So can you share a little bit? So first about what does malucci stand for malucci is to African names and wine come? Combined it means beautiful work of God. That is what we created and came up with that name back in really back in 2008 and felt like, you know, it totally represented the audience that we were trying to capture which was basically Multicultural and black women. You said 2008 my goodness and it's 2020. Yeah, you know what? It is 120 have to pinch yourself, right? So 12 years. Yes. Yes, because you know what we started off. Well, I mean to take it back a little bit. We I was a medical technologist which is basically laboratory science just a fancy way to describe laboratory science. So I don't know why they call it Medical Technology, but it's all good. And so it's so expensive. Yeah. It right. It sounds good. It's almost like housekeeping is called Environmental Specialist, like whatever they Jazz it up. I'll take it but that's what I did. That's what I went to school for. So I came out. I was working in the hospital Laboratories. And then I was working at Johnson & Johnson in a research lab testing red blood cells that were are used in the blood bank. Wow. Yeah, and that and that's what I did then I went to a diagnostic company and was testing autoimmune. Products and things like that. So my background was all surrounded around science because my parents felt that I was to be a doctor, you know, if you're a Nigerian you're a doctor lawyer engineer and nursing is okay now, so you're one of those four things and nothing else so they're like, okay. Well Jackie's going to be the doctor. So my field was always in science, but I always loved the business and I loved creativity. You know, I used to draw when I was younger. I I got to step into an art school course, I didn't go because my dad was like nope, but I had that creative background and I creative side and I loved business and I just couldn't go that path because I was going to science back and then my husband he was a network engineer. So he worked on routers and that kind of thing. That was his background. I did not know that picked up both of you. Yeah, you didn't I'm sorry. One bad friend. Okay, so I have to go do with me that means we need to spend more time together. Okay, right. Right, right. You need to come to Jersey? Okay, like maybe in the spring but yeah, so he was a network analyst. So these are our backgrounds. We have nothing to do with the wedding industry. We have nothing to do with business, but we got married shortly after we got married cheeky picked up a camera and said he wanted to you know, he loved photography. He had a Creative side too. And I said, okay. Well, you know, let's get a camera so we bought a camera he booked a wedding. It was his friend's wedding. They paid him five hundred dollars. Oh that was like that was huge for like five hundred dollars cash like side money. Okay, let's go. So from there he shot. His friend's wedding did a fantastic job taught himself how to use the camera has an icon shooter. Like everything was self-taught from his friend's wedding. He booked another wedding from that. He booked another wedding. So now I jumped in to be Second shooter. So he was yes. I was a photographer. Can you believe it? He was shoot and then I was second shoot I would get like the bride getting ready. I would get all the details, you know, the tables I would make basically follow the bride around but and then he would write he would edit the photos and I would do the album's so I would touch base with the bride we would select the pictures going to album. I would lay out the album order it so on and so forth. We were a team. So mind you we had our full-time jobs then we also had a two-year-old at the time when we started and then I was pregnant with my son with my second born at the same time. We're doing all this. So our first year doing weddings. We set our goal would be to shoot 10 wedding and we shot 10 weddings. I mean all of them were our friends except for like two or three But we traveled all over the world. We did a wedding in Nigeria. We went to Italy we went you know, like we traveled and it was great. It was a great gig it was a great side gig but in the process of having all these weddings that we shy we started getting to the point where like why how come there's no magazine at showcases all these weddings because you know how it is in a Nigerian Community every weekend starting from April. There's going to be a wedding or a week keeping every weekend. So like that's what's going to happen every weekend from April until the end of the year. So we're like all these weddings are happening all the time. But the wedding magazines don't showcase any of our weddings and even when we got married we didn't notice that because as black people especially black women were conditioned to see ourselves and other people that's just how we're conditioned like you look at New York Fashion Week you look at the runway. You don't see black models if what you Can say that'll look cute on me, you know, so we never thought about it until we started shooting and we're like there's got to be something maybe we just don't know about it because we're not familiar with the industry. So we started Googling looking it up. We found nothing. Wow, and it was at that point. We said, you know, it was originally malucci Studios. That was our photography company. We said, okay. Well, you know, we're going to start Munna Lucci bridal magazine and that's how we got to the point of registering the Benny it was the May of 2009 when we registered our LLC. So wow, you know, it's been it's been a decade and we registered the company. We started researching how to start a magazine there was all kinds of stuff online about you know, you need like 250,000 Capital you need that and all of those things were actually true, but we were like no you don't need that all we need. We need some pictures. We got to lay it out. You know, like that's how we looked at it so we bought software we bought in design. So I taught myself how to use in design with the mask if you had graphic a graphic background because you're coming from medical. No, I took not one graphic design class my whole life Wow. The only time I ever learned graphic design was when I bought in design and I went on lynda.com and I took tutorials on how to use InDesign. I had no training. So that's what I did I learned how to use it. And you know when you're designing a photo album for a bride you start off with a blank white screen and you start laying it out you do, you know getting ready you pick pictures and you kind of put them together and you have a book. It's pretty much the same thing with a magazine at least that's how I looked at it. So I said I can do this. If I do albums, I can do a magazine. So we started putting it together. We started coming up with the sections and what we were going to feature of course every wedding. She was the ones that we shot because we didn't know use your coffee first. Yeah, you know like we didn't know anybody there was no way I was gonna send their wedding to us to a magazine that didn't exist. So we put all of our weddings in there. We were giving people as we're calling people up some of my friends that over the on New Year's I had a friend come over and we've been friends for 11 years. Now we met because of the magazine. I found her on Facebook and I said, hey you've got this planning company. I'm launching a magazine. I'm going to create an ad for you. Send me a picture. That's how I met. So we put all the ads in there. We laid the first magazine out. We thought it was going to be like a hundred pages from a hundred. I went to 150, you know from 150. We ended up at 208 pages of comic role for the very first magazine news. Hmm. It was 208 pages and you know now that we had this file of a magazine laid out. We're like, okay we got to get it. Covid mlu Google Google was our best friend. So we googled how to print a magazine and we came up all this stuff and started looking at printers found this fantastic printer out in Austin, Texas, and they were just so they were a small company like us so they had a lot of patience for people like me who knew nothing about what I was doing. I didn't know what CMYK was I was like seeing why what I have to do. What do you want me to do? I have to change the files from Archie what you know, it was crazy. So they kind of sat on the phone with me. They'll tell me how to convert the files. They'll tell me how to prep the file to send it for printing. Wow to put a bleed. You know, what what size the bleed had to be so on and so forth how to export and we got this whole file put together sent it to this printer and print a 10,000 copies of our first issue who knew it was called Premier issue 2009 the actual cover for the first issue was shot in our living room. What month? That's how This okay. So this was I would say we printed we sent everything to print September 2009. Mmm. Yeah, September 2009 and we printed them and ship them to our house. So our entire 10,000 problem. Yeah, we have pallets in a garage. So we had both sides of the garage were filled with this magazine that we felt like it's over like we're about to kill it and then you're gonna sell out I do now. Alright, so we got the Magazine's they were like, it's on I mean we're celebrating we're popping bottles, like look we did it. It's about to be over Okay, so Start selling it. So I remember it was around. Yeah, because we got them September Nigerian Day Parade was October. We said we're basically going to sell out at the parade. So we we took magazines to the Nigerian Day parade and sold like two puppies. Well, that's smart and I was begging you. How much are the Magnificent it was $10. It was 10 bucks and we were that was like begging like please just take one. Come on. Yeah, that didn't buy it. Buck's by come on support like we're you know, we're trying to do something for the great. I have 9,000 made word left. Yes, that didn't work. So we're like, okay, we're gonna go to the mall. We're going to we're going to set up a kiosk at Cherry Hill Mall, you know, those annoying people when you go to the monitor, like let me see your nails. I have this like diamond dust that's going to make your nails or whatever or the one which we weren't missing make your skin glow it, right? Exactly and you're like, no I'm not interested. So we are going to be those annoying people that didn't work. So then we said okay. We're going to call every store like we're calling Walgreens. We're calling Wegmans. We're calling Barnes and Noble and we called like every store in the area and said we've got this great magazine. This is something new it's needed in the industry blah blah blah blah and every single one of them would be like, okay send me a copy. So we would mail a copy to them with this whole long letter and they'll be like, you know, your magazines beautiful and everything, but who's your distributor? Everybody kept saying the same thing and she care like what's this whole thing about distributor Spike? What are you guys to we are the distributor like we are the distributor. What do you mean who's your distributor? No, it turns out what we found out was that you can't just get your publication. Even your book into a Barnes & Noble if it doesn't go through, you know a reputable Distribution Company. Wow, so now we're like darn it. Remember both garages are filled the car. Are parked outside is getting cold. Wow, and we have two kids now in a car seat because now I had I had my son so I had the two-year-old a newborn and then you know shortly after that was pregnant with my third when he was four months old. So yeah, that was a lot going on. So now we're like, okay, so we got to get a distributor. We started Googling Distributors, we found this one guy called him up. He's like, yeah. Well, you know you have to have Of a Distribution Company, but I can I can give you Consulting and it's going to cost like 3K. We were just like three paying $3,000 to tell me about distribution. Luckily. The guy sent us an email. I don't know why he did he send us an email and it had a list of a whole bunch of Distributors. Like my spread shell a spreadsheet. First name last name phone number location. So we just started calling these distribution companies. We called cable. We called Meredith all these companies and the Up three distribution companies that we actually applied for us at that us. So what we found out what you have to apply for distribution, it's not just called and they're going to distribute you go through an application process. Wow, and they can take six months to get back to you. And if they don't accept you you can't apply again for like another six months. So we were just like I can't believe this we got all these magazines here. We got to sell these magazines. We applied the top three Distribution Company that stepped it up. Wow, so we were good. So we said, okay. Which one are we going to go with we picked, you know cable distribution. That's the one that we thought was going to be best for us. We're in the Northeast and they were like, okay so, you know, we're going to start doing some marketing for your for your brand. We're going to start reaching out to the Retailer's to see if they want to pick up your publication. We are like you don't even have to do that because we've got 10,000 copies right? Like right at my garage did all that work. Yeah. So I remember very clearly the guy on the phone from the Distribution Company saying you have what we like we have 10,000 copies already. We did we did all that like we're good to go Barnes & Noble said the magazine is great. Everybody said is great. They said but who told you to print 10,000 copies of the magazine that nobody's heard of. Oh, you're like nobody. I mean, what's the problem? He said? Well you that he's like that just wasn't smart because first you get distribution after you get distribution, then you get orders. Maybe they placed an order for a thousand copies to start then that's what you print not tell, you know like that. No, you don't print 10,000 copies. You don't know if anybody wants to buy it from you or even sell it in. So you're like, oh my gosh, this is crazy. See so we were like, alright, no problem. We're good. We're good. We're going to keep on we're going to keep working this we're going to keep on trying to sell it. We will sell little copies here and there then we this is when we were actually leaving to go shoot a wedding in Nigeria for a friend. So we had a connection in London and in the process of getting to London mind you at this time. She can die for the first time started saying to ourselves. Okay, maybe we kind of made a mistake because before then you just Couldn't tell we just felt so strongly that what we were doing was needed and it was just going to take off but we said okay, maybe you know, maybe we made a mistake. So anyway, we get to London we have a layover and just randomly checking email during a layover. We get an email from the girl that works at cable at the Distribution Company. She says look, I have great great news, you know, we actually got some orders in so I'm going to send you this link it will show you the orders and we're going to need to come and pick. Up, the Magazine's ASAP so that we can get them to on the retailer. So chicken are like, all right, that's cool. You know, we click on the link. It's a spreadsheet. You just scroll scroll scroll scroll 9600 copies were ordered. Wow, 9600 copies were ordered of a magazine that they told us that there's no way we're going to get orders in because you know blah blah blah. I don't know how it happened but it happened so Michiko, I like what So our brother he lives close to us. We told him like, you know, we're on our way to Nigeria, you know, all the magazines basically have been ordered, you know, we need you to get the garage open so that they can come the truck came. They took the pallets out of the garage and January 5th 2010. Our magazines were at Barnes & Noble and say oh wow, that is amazing. Yep, and and that's and that's how I started. So from from that point. Yeah, we're actually hitting 10 years. What tomorrow that's yeah, that's major in 10 years. So was there ever a point? Oh, was it ever gonna wear when you what you felt defeated like, okay. This was a this was a this was a mistake. Let's just go home and just burn these copies like what are we even doing? Well, I mean there was a point where we felt we made a mistake but we always we always felt like there there has to be a way there has to be a way because I you know cheek and I both strongly believe that you know, there are things that you are put through in life for a reason and there are things that line up in a certain way that you cannot possibly explain remember I came from a science background so I can be very analytical like science and a statistic. You know, I can be very and over-analytical so there but there are certain things that in the has happened in my life that I will never be able to explain like it doesn't make logical sense. So for me, I believe those things happen for a reason there's there's there's an endgame here. So we always felt like how did we get to a point where we just picked up a camera? We're taking casual wedding pictures here and there to launching a magazine with no experience learning like it. Design is not really that easy to learn learning in design software figuring out how to get sales putting a website together printing a magazine getting enough money to printed getting distribution. Yeah with cable. I mean cable is now has now gone out of business, but that was a Major Distribution Company. Like, how do you how do you get your magazine in to Barnes & Noble is sitting in Barnes & Noble all throughout the country major and international locations. Like we can't so we always felt like there are times where you're like, yeah. Is something isn't working out but there has to be another plan is how you know, you have to have faith that something is going to work out in the end. I have to have faith. So since 2009. I'm sure it's changed tremendously. But how has the well, first of all first part, how was the reaction when the magazine went out? I'm sure did you guys go home and just drill down a bottle of champagne or how baby? Well the thing is when we first did our a cover shoot in the living room and we printed we made we did a mock-up. We did like a cover mock-up and we made back then they didn't have Facebook pages. They had Facebook groups. And so we made a Facebook group and we put the the mock-up cover there and people were just like, oh my gosh this magazine where can I get it working on getting this was before we actually printed it that was kind of like the push for a we felt. Oh my gosh. So many people are on board with this and they want to know where to get it. Like, we really have to make this. Work, you know, so then when we actually printed the magazine this was before we went before we got distribution. We used to go to the stores put it on the newsstand snap a picture then take it back. Yeah and put it on there and then come back home and look at it can happen someday. You know, so when we actually finally got on the newsstands, I remember going to my local shop right for grocery shopping and seeing the magazine there and I was just like, oh my gosh, I cannot believe that moment. This has really happy but the picture was created, you know, like we saw it we visualized it. We said this is how it needs to look and then it happened. Sometimes you have to create that opportunity. You have to visualize it in your head. You have to say how do I want to see myself? I know I'm not there. But how do I want to see myself sure and picture yourself there so that you you know, it gets you there for ya create that Vision. So how was it interesting changed since 2009? Wow, well 2009 I don't even know what the industry was like 2010 when we finally went on sale. There were no magazines that showcased black women on the cover. I'm saying like especially for what? Yeah, right, especially for wedding when it came to just a regular fashion and lifestyle magazines. They hardly were doing that as well. So the industry has changed tremendously. I mean from the time we, you know, we started off with Just a magazine from the magazine. We had our blog and we had our website. We were showcasing weddings and engagements sessions in different stories. This is pre Pinterest free Instagram Instagram was in such everything was in such infancy. So the only thing we were really using was Facebook as far as social media, yeah. So everything that we did right everything we did back then was from the ground up. It was Word of Mouth marketing it was you know, trying to get the word out through actual. People and things like that little little meetups that we would do here and there so that's what marketing I mean marketing back in 2010 versus marketing now is 100% Oh my gosh. So, right so 2012. That's when we started with the moon a Coterie. That's when we said okay, we have all these brides and grooms that are flocking to our platform. They're looking for vendors and they can't find vendors that look like them and it does I mean that any vendor can't help you but there's something about someone who you have something in common with that's just common Scientology. You're a black girl. You just want to make up artist that you know can handle your skin tone or your skin texture or you know, whatever is happening in your situation. So now we got to that point in 2012 or brides and grooms are like, you know, I'm in Seattle and I need a makeup artist. You have any recommendations? How did you find a black makeup artist back then? Then you I mean you couldn't google nobody listening. Yeah, either your there were there were no hashtags like none of that existed. How do you actually how do you find that you know so back then a lot of a lot of our couples didn't even know they could hire black professionals. That's the truth because there was that myth that if you're hiring someone who is of color, you know, the quality is not going to be the same, you know, you're not Get exactly what you're looking for. That was the myth then because there was no example to show what black people are actually doing, you know, so we said let's create the example. Let's start the Coterie. Let's start showcasing these vendors that we know of to these Brides that are looking for them and just you know, we're just want to put people together so that everybody can be successful in whatever it is that they're trying to do. Wow so that so that was 2012 and from there, you know the industry. The the as far as the Multicultural wedding industry kind of started to grow it started to flourish. It started to really really pick up people started recognizing the talents that are in this industry and and the fact that you know, they even have an opportunity to be in the industry in a capacity of some of the people that they've been looking up. Absolutely. So yeah a lot has a lot has changed in a lot has been done to cultivate it and I think it's all been for the best. I mean of it has to do with what your mission and what you guys have relentlessly done throughout the years for a decade just pushing and making sure like black vendors are seen as talented and professional and just as talented as the next person, you know, and right and just given us courage to be the best and and also while also focusing on quality cause you're not just saying hey, you're like you want to showcase quality professional vendors that are that are often overlooked or you know, I feel like they're not worthy or you know, if you don't have the interest in it's a constant battle thing. Yeah, thankfully because of what you're doing in a magazine is doing we feel more confident like, you know what we are good. That's you know what I mean, and you don't feel intimidated or In for everybody, you know listening this is that's why I wanted to bring you on and really share it because I don't think a lot of people understand what you go through for us. You know what I mean? It's not like you guys go through a lot and you've held true to what you guys your your initial Mission hasn't changed. What's to keep shoot a scene right? Keep shook his keep encouraging keep promoting in it cover to cover. You continue to do that even even when it's not appreciated, you know, right and our goal is not hasn't been to to get a pat on the back. You know, I don't I can get that from my family. Like I can get what I need as far as nurturing and things like that from for my children for my husband for my parents for my family. Like that's where I get that from. I don't need a pat on the back from the industry. What I need is for the industry to be recognized. And I need for people to succeed in their businesses and for them to make the connections they need and for these couples to find the vendors that they're looking for and we're good when that happens, you know, that's that's always been that's amazing. That's amazing and it's a tough one, but amazing like what it was because you know, the thing the thing about being getting into the publishing industry as we didn't, you know, I say if we knew exactly what it took we probably It'd be like you know what? Let me just go apply for that Ph.D. Program in doctor after all, right, like I was about to go to graduate school. I mean we could have been we would have been okay, you know what? I actually left my job. I was in the process of getting a promotion. I'm like sorry. I have a magazine and I'm leaving their like what I'm they were very happy for me and till this day they still follow what I'm doing, but you know, it's a lot of work, you know, and we came into the publishing industry at a time where you know malucci was basically the magazine that was pointing out. What the industry was not doing purposely. They didn't have to showcase our weddings because either way we were still purchasing their product because you know, I say the black black people are the number one consumer so they didn't have to show they don't have to put a black girl on the cover because what you're still going to buy that magazine so impressed. They don't have to we don't have to highlight highlight black vendors because at the end of the day, you're still going to sign up for this plow the number one consumer. So we We are that we are the number one. Wow, and many people's business model is built off of the fact that black people no matter what their going to consume something. Look at the beauty industry. If you look at the big giants in the beauty industry, those does companies are hardly owned by black people right black women. Meanwhile black women are the ones that are powering the beauty of three so we came into the industry at a time where we were basically pointing out that You you and you are not showcasing diversity and we are here to Showcase diversity. So as you can imagine there, you know while we're doing all of this stuff on the front ends behind the scene. There's all kinds of attacks going on. For instance. One of our biggest advertisers early on was Target. So we were able to secure Target as an Advertiser from one of the cheek and the early days until there was a really really nice wrap at Target who just happened. To nicely tell us the reason that they're pulling out of advertising with us is because XYZ magazine. I'm not going to name them but really really big wedding publication told them specifically you don't have to advertise him loose because 40% of our Market are black. Wow, you can get more of them with us. So why advertise with them when they have a portion when you can get more with us and this is what they told us Target said, you know, so people higher up the girl was a rep so she's like the higher-ups have decided that No, they got to focus their advertising budget with XYZ magazine. So now here we are. We're trying to push out a product. We're trying to print a magazine. We're trying to you know, highlight black vendors. We're trying to make a living and now our biggest advertisers not coming anymore because the Publications that doesn't show case. I says, yeah, we have 40% of that audience. So there was a lot of work that had to be done behind the scenes to make sure that on a front end we can still continue to to uplift support and highlight the Multicultural community and you know, that's just business you live and you learn is insane. It is it Sky. I was really great. What are the things the things that have? Yeah, I was going to ask you challenges you face, but you just told me that's my and I'm sure over 10 years. There's been so many but you continue. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I mean, you know the biggest challenge with with black businesses in this country is you know, as a black business is very difficult to get funding, you know, a venture a venture capitalist is not going to Right out of the block find a black company. Usually, you know it is what else this is. Just what happens in Silicon Valley. So everything that we did was we had no funding we did everything based on savings creativity Evolution, you know evolving as a brand coming up with this coming up with that but there was no funding and you know, sometimes you sit down and watch Shark Tank and I'm like I had to turn in some of these companies that come on Shark Tank. I'm like you feel so well and they gave me right go like wait a minute. They gave you XYZ for that crazy, right? Hey, this is this is the world that we live in so we as long as we understand that we have, you know, building a community is not an easy thing General, but you have to find ways to evolve and sustain yourself. Yeah so that you can still stay relevant for your community. Well, that's I mean that motivates me. Because you know sometimes I'm sure that many times in between where you're like, you know, screw this why am I even trying but you keep I mean you you're going and you keep forget forgiving your you know, you guys are so generous and I am speaking even myself throughout the years. You know, when I first started my business, I got like a big hug from you guys and you guys a little like a caching, you know, what you're doing and Chicago, LOL my first my first what am I forgetting? First weddings were was in print we have this wedding way back then was that the New Orleans one? It was a masquerade Chicago of it was masquerade theme. It was an NFL NFL player. Oh, yeah. Yeah that wedding. I remember that wedding get a gorgeous ball gown. They had a mask on yeah. Yeah. Oh my God, Mike and heaven love them to death, but they of the magazine and they love the feature and what the Magazine's that's awesome. So And just kind of going back to like, okay, so I know like a lot of magazines have had folded snake. Hmm. They had a print magazine. Now that Journey has been challenging some people literally have not made it and if had to call it quits. All right guys. How have you been able to sustain and grow even with magazines Calling it Quits? Yeah, that's a big one because one of the biggest joys for us was being able to go to our local Barnes and Noble and Morristown and seeing the magazine on a newsstand, you know, the problem that many public. I mean you have the big Publications like teen and you know, Martha Stewart going down to one copy which would probably end up, you know, not printing at all. But the big ones the Conde Nast brands. Are even shutting down so then imagine a small publisher like us right? This is a husband and wife team in South Jersey, you know, not a huge conglomerate like Conde Nast trying to sustain newsstand space the thing we didn't know about the newsstand industry is that it's a very very brutal industry. A lot of Publications are folding because the way that distribution is set up is not set up in a way for you to say Succeed, you know getting your magazine on a newsstand even with books like some people that want to be Publishers and write books. That book is a marketing tool. It's not necessarily that nobody read the book and I'm going to get a book deal. Right? Like you're not going to get a book deal like Michelle, right? Okay, that's a different story. Like they're paying her to write the book and she's making all kinds of royalties. Most Self book publishers and magazine Publishers are using their funds to put that out and then putting that on. You stand hoping that they get some kind of return. It takes a lot to get a return from a new stand still. So the problem with the newsstand for us was first of all our distributor cable distribution went out of business right in the middle. This was the I think it was 2015. It was the magazine that had it was a beauty cover that Amy Anaya's shot and we sent our magazines out did all the things we had to do sending out to be on new status and cable distribution went out of business till this day. We have no idea where those magazines are totally gone disappeared never made it to the newsstand. They could be in a truck. They could have been shredded. Who knows but that's the nature of handle. No, it's no nope. We got an email and the email is just like oh, yeah. Yeah, you know that cable is no longer in business. So on and so forth. Okay. So where are the magazines? Like we're actually going on sale. People are saying we can't find it you can Finally because they never put them out. You know, so we're like, okay, we had an option. We had a couple of options one we can get with another Distribution Company we can get that process started over again. We looked into another one and it was the same thing where you know, sometimes you can send your magazines and you send your magazines. Let's say you're sending a thousand magazines to you know, the Barnes and Noble and somewhere downtown, Chicago. But they never make it off the truck. So now your magazine. Yeah, they why I don't know. So now people are looking for your publication to can't find it because the person who was supposed to take it off the truck never took it off or maybe they took it off the truck and it's sitting in the back room and they never put it on the newsstand. You know, there are some there were some sitch. Yeah, there were some situations where like in there's a very big D ç Barnes & Noble where someone I remember was there Kia. She sent an email said she had to go to the Barnes and Noble. And tell them it is at this store is always been at the store and somebody had to go in the back and bring it on kidding. I'm dead serious, and and there's nothing you can do about it. So the way that the newsstand works the Distribution Company does extremely well they take more than half of your magazine sale after they take after they take more than half. They only pay you about 15% of whatever you sell a hundred. Eighty days after you go off sale so much out of your control, right? So It's so much out of your control. So you get to a point where you're like. Is it worth it? I can't get my I can't get my product to the people who wanted you're not gonna work because I can't control the distribution come you don't know her like you don't play out your interviews. You've done your part and they have to do there and it's under par and then people people can't find it because of the inefficiency of a Distribution Company that were at the mercy of so we decided and it was a very hard decision because we said if we take it off new stands like what's that gonna mean? What is that going to look like? How's it going to be perceived? You know, it was it was something that we were so proud of but we had to we made a decision. We said I think it was 2017. We said they were taking it off new stance and we will be you can purchase it if you want from our website or you can get it for free digitally. And honestly, we adopted that model back actually 2016 adopted that model and ever since then our sales have just skyrocketed, like everything has been absolutely amazing. So I think that people in their businesses no matter what kind of what kind of business that you're in you have to understand at what point you need to be at what point, you know at what point do you need to Pivot? You can't stay in one place? Like if you're playing basketball you had your say On paper place. You got your pivot foot you put your keep your foot down and you pivot you turn this way. You can't that way you make a decision. You're taking the jump shot. You're passing the ball. Whatever it is that you're going to do. You have to Pivot you got to move. If you don't you won't be successful in business. You can't do the same thing all the time and think it's going to work if that was the case Blockbuster over here. I felt like they will never go down like no way until Netflix came around Blockbuster if they were smart and they pivoted after Netflix came around not even it wasn't even Netflix. It was red box. There was that red box thing where you go in you can go grocery shopping and go put a little thing and get your movie outgoing return it easily. There was that then it was Netflix, but of Blockbuster was smart, they would have said, Okay, either one. I'm going to acquire one of these companies fast one or two. I'm going to launch my own because my audience is 100 times bigger that a pavement around them, right? You got to Pivot. So we've always been in a situation where we you know, you have to feel what's going on like generation is the generation of 2010 is different from what's Happening Now and now we're looking at gen Z. Like that's our that's the market that we're really pushing ourselves to because that's what's going to be getting married in the next five years. Ears, you know throughout the next five years, but if you're not if you don't have a pulse on the industry that you're in and understand where things are going and Vivid you can't you can't sustain your business. Wow, that's such great advice for anyone whether it's magazine or you have to Pivot you and you have to pay attention to what's where we're headed. But I think a lot of times and we're so focused and maybe over in might be ego or something on but I'm here now, okay, but what's coming up? And how it survived and then when it does because it I mean and the thing and the thing is like Eagle Eagle is what gets in the way of people being successful in their businesses. If we had ego we would have said now we're going to keep on new things. We don't we had to let it go it hurt. It was like, oh man, I don't want to do that. But you know, it was the best thing I could have done after we go digital and then we do our you know, our current model then look what happens to Martha Stewart, you know. Then you get the news about stymie pretty so we were like, okay. Well we were way ahead of their we've been doing this for a long time. Now the Teen Magazine went digital, you know, and it just keeps going on and on there's more that's going to follow suit, but you have to change with the times you have to give people content in a way that their consumer that's so amazing. I mean, I'm so inspired just hearing it and honestly, I didn't know half of the stuff you just told me because I thought we were I thought we were besties but now I'm perfect. That's on my part. I had free but it's so much because sometimes we get down like you can save me if you feel like what you're doing. This model doesn't work you pivot and then you adapt and you try something new and you go out of your way. Yeah. Wow. Okay, so the second part of our interview we can do this all day. So I have to bring you back a lot of the creatives I coach and anybody, you know everyone out there, you know, there's we want to get featured we want. To get press you want to get there's something about seeing your work in print that or did you know online or a Blog that just you know gives you a boost it right for the client, but just seeing you work on paper in a national magazine or localized. It's just it's like okay. I've arrived probably how I feel and I'm like, oh my gosh, my wedding is on outside of Chicago. Somebody can look at this. I have copy. The every magazine literally but apart and I have all my money Lucci features and there's you know, it does do something for you. But it you know, it really does take your business to that next level and add value and credibility to your work. So I want to talk a little bit about submissions and I'm sure some people are doing it all wrong because I say well, how do I get press? I'm like, okay. Well, let's go back and I don't want step so we know getting your work can boost your business. I know it did for my thanks to you guys. So first of all, how The thing the thing about submissions is that you know, people need to be published somewhere in some form because it provides a level of visibility that you can't do possibly by yourself. So being published is important and the truth of the matter is the audience that you're looking for are people who aren't even in a relationship like you're marketing to people who are just casually looking at a magazine. They might not even be in a serious. These relationship or even if they're in a relationship, they're not engaged. You're marketing to everyone you're marketing to current people who are engaged in your marketing to people who are going to get engaged. So you never know when that person is going to come across your work. That's why that's why getting published is so important but the biggest thing I tell people first is with with your brand. You have to understand who your brand is. What's your brand is about and what? Type of clientele you want to attract? Everyone cannot do luxury luxury is a niche market and luxury Multicultural is a niche right a niche. It's not going to be for everybody. Like that's the truth of the matter. So everyone can be branded as luxury XYZ person because what does that really mean? And are you actually portraying that you have to understand who your brand is and once you understand your brand you will know. Where it is that you want to be featured the biggest problem that people have is that they send their content everywhere thinking I'm just going to send it everywhere and somebody's going to pick it up. That's so that's mistake. Number one. Yeah. I said energy don't send your content to rock and roll bride. If that's not the type of audience that you're going for. It makes no sense, you know and vice versa. If you're if you're into you know that type of funky, you know rock and roll type of rock and roll bride type of client. No more quirky then maybe you're not going to send that to you know, Lucci or maybe you're not going to send that inside weddings. You have to actually think about who your audience is and a step that and be happy with that. There are a ton of people getting married that are not spending, you know, 500,000 and up. There are a ton of people getting married that I just spending a hundred thousand between 75 and a hundred thousand. That's a huge Market. Are you are you attracting that one? Are you attracting people who are closer to the Thousand range because that that's a huge Market as well. Whatever it is that market is for you. You have to accept that and you have to know exactly where you want to bring then once you know where you want to be featured take a look at what they publish, you know, I feel like people don't they don't and maybe it's just this day and age people aren't taking the time to do research. There's so much time in the day if people spent less time scrolling on Instagram, they could get a lot of work done. There's a lot of research that can be done. You go to the blogs and the websites in the magazines that you want to be published in his study the heck out of them. What kind of content are they putting out who are the people that are always getting featured? Maybe there's a reason those people are always getting featured. Maybe they submit all the time you'd be surprised how many people submit to us once in a whole year and then when they don't want it doesn't get picked up they get it they get upset because of course nobody wants to be rejected. But if you Only if you only sent it to send something to us. Once what are your chances of getting paid up, you know, like you have to continuously submit if this doesn't work out you find out why I didn't work out and you try again, you know, it can be very discouraging to get rejected. But at the end of the day, the only way that you're going to get picked up is to keep on yeah, you know, so I always start with the biggest thing for people is knowing where what audience you're trying to attract and then understanding what kind of world Work that that um publication actually publishes before I love do your research and I think that's so vital because people just like you said wake up and say I have this wedding. I'm going to send it to every publication out there, which is you haven't done your research who their target out. Like you said, those are so key and so helpful, but I think there's also some people are just lazy to do it. They just what if I send it in maybe they'll take it but like we got to do the work we got to do the research. So I'd love that. Yeah. Really? What do you look for in a submission? So when you see an album like First Reactions like yet automatically, do you know you don't want it or like what do you look for? Yeah, there's some there's some back. Well, there are many that come in that we know right off the bat. This is not going to work out. I'll tell you what one of the biggest things pet peeves for me is people not following instruction. So if we have a simple submission form and we say give us a gallery of like up to a hundred images or something and you sent a gallery on SmugMug with 1000 pictures. We're not even looking at it. There's an automatic skip because the time it takes to go through 1,000 images usually if you're sending a gallery of a thousand images is going to be like a hundred of people dancing. We don't publish pictures of practicing that's just not our brand. It doesn't do anything for our audience. They don't care. So obviously you have not taken the time to do the research and you're not respecting our time, you know, so the biggest pet peeve is people not following instructions often times people when it comes to them. Missions the first thing that we look at with every submission at comes in weather is coming through the Coterie portal or coming through our general box. We always look at it for print first. So the first thing we're going to say is this good enough to go into print if it is good enough to go into print it'll get queued on a list for review. And the reason we have to do that is before we can accept something for print. Normally. We have to look at the full the entire work of what's going to go in that magazine because there was a time where we were I'm like all purple weddings. Everything was purple purple purple purple. We can't have a whole anything except a wedding. It was that case over for weddings. You're so right like everything like and gold everything was purple and it was like purple and it was at the Biltmore in Atlanta. It was just so many so you get to a point where it's like they're and they're all fantastic like fantastically photographs gorgeous details, but how many purple weddings and you really show in a publication that maybe is going to showcase The wedding's tops. So sometimes your work is really really good enough to go into print but maybe the time that you sent it in. It just didn't make the cut because we have so much of the same thing, you know, and that's as as it pertains to weddings as it pertains to styled shoots. We do publish style shoes, but because a style shoot is a controlled environment. I'm expecting people to really go all out with creativity like you can't you Can't send me your style shoot. That is something as totally overdone or maybe your tablescape has like one or two candles in the middle and you know the table where is not set properly, you know, like people do that too. Like I have the knife in the wrong place the fork and little things like that. I we can't accept it because this it was a controlled environment. So you had everything in your control and you had you were able to plan it out and you should have planned it out better. We're not going to publish. Publish things like that sometimes with with getting published like at least within the Coterie. There are people who will present an idea, you know, send me a mood board and I'll kind of take a look and say yeah. Well this this is really cool. Dude. I haven't seen this angle before why don't you go for it. I was just going to publish and we never guarantee anything until we yeah, we never guarantee until we get the photos but oftentimes we'll we'll take a look at a mood board and say like this is good. You know, this is Something that we want or sometimes I'll ask someone like can you produce a shoot with XYZ because there's a concept I'm looking forward to publish in an upgrade. So you highly recommend if you have an idea figure out do your research and then reach out to the to the magazine and asked if they would be interested in that idea before you actually go money and put the shoe together, but also you have to pay attention to detail and do well. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. And if you have if you have access to us because you're an Advertiser. That's something that we will always take a look at it and give you feedback on now. If you're not an Advertiser that we we just don't have enough time in the day to go through everybody's Concepts but it's something that we will do for people that advertise with us because you know, we'll take the time out and say okay this sounds good or you know, maybe you should try this or the fashion isn't really up to Paris. Why don't you Up with this stylus or hook up with this bridal salon will give you a letter of recommendation, you know, so on and so forth and that kind of elevates to shoot, right? So that actually great point and I want to talk about the the katori membership. So I think a lot of people don't understand the value in that because I feel like we they need these resources. I could you said if you have a style shoe. They reach out as a member. You're going to say. Hey connect with ABCD members. You guys knock it out you ever better shot of getting your work published then if you weren't so it's actually a good investment right to be a member the talk a little bit about your membership and sure how that came about in that process and so on. Sure. Well the the Coterie membership and the quarter is that is like a French word described as a small group of people that have a common interest and that's what we felt the you know, the collective was is just we're already a niche group and now we're trying to bring people together with a common interest to elevate all of their brands. So the thing about the Coterie is not just it's not just like a wedding wire with a not where you sign up and you know, you have a profile we have that part and we have the lead matching and you know people that are filling out leaves on our website at like today we had six that came out their Brides that are like I'm getting married in 2021 and I'm looking for a hair stylist sure, but we have that because the brides are on our website every day and they're looking mmm, but it's the it's the network to You know, you're you're as good as your network, you know, you're as good as the company that you can and often times people when we first started the Coterie. I remember they were there were certain cities where we had Coterie members who had never met one another like you're in the same city in the same industry and you never met we need to bring you together. So you can start meeting and networking and collaborating and you know doing things together. So a lot of it is also that is the Ships it's it's the work that you actually put into it. It's the commitment to uplifting the community, you know in the positivity a lot of that is centered around the Coterie and then we do, you know, there's a number of things we do throughout the year like the serenade that we do that's basically our date night that Coterie members actually put together for actual couples that are getting married and haven't haven't booked vendors yet and every every time we do serenade and Have our Coterie members participate, you know and give these couples has experienced these couples end up booking the people who put the experience together. So it's like a direct, you know, it's a direct link to someone who can potentially be your customer and worst case scenario. Even if you don't book them. We're basically curating a style shoot for you that's going to get published right? So then you still get the visibility anyway from it, you know, so we have a number of things like that then we have The networking that we do we have the the conference that we're doing. We have the discounted pricing on the different advertising and things we have the moon and love affair that we're doing throughout the yourself. The I mean there's there's so much more than just a list inside is also the community as a community. I love and what you you're giving people access to things that ideally they have no clue where to go or you know, who did not work. I know right? I met I met a lot like a lot of great relationships I have now was through the retreat like Mark Wilson last year and now my work husband I met Ed Edd and I've met I've connected more with nah not like I've met so many amazing people Tristan. Yeah. I mean, right they're all amazing creative that I've seen on social media and we've all connected but we never really met as we're not in the same. And when do we really cause pass in person, but Remove the connection like when we did, you know love is waiting. For example. Well, enter work together Kesha came and Slade. I mean they'd have you know, these are people that really are in New York and different places all over and we you know, so that just kind of connected us and we've all stayed in touch so that sense of community and an access to so much alone is worth Way more and in the membership is so affordable. So, you know, it's sometimes like people are like, oh, how do I hide away? I'm like well goal go get some education go connect. If first thing that actually is all value and stop wasting money on things that don't even matter, right? I mean, We tell people that we you know, we're like an extension of your marketing. If you're if you're going to pay for marketing getting a membership gives you so much more than just being listed on a website or being inside of a group, you know, you get you get access to us you get access to our Insight are experienced for 10 years in this industry. There was a time we did we had this we had Dmitry on the cover. She was on a show called. Blood Sweat and heels and you know, we had an opportunity to do a photo shoot with her and then Bravo wanted to tape it and we brought in we brought in code remember it's for that episode. You know, we're like hey, you calm do the cake. You come bring your gown. We you know Pantera ended up booking. Well Demetria ended up booking pantora because of that photo shoot over actual wedding dress at the end of the day will give you the access and put you in the room. What happens from there is totally up to you. Hm. Oh, I lost that last part repeat. I said we'll give you the access and put you in the room and what happens from there is totally up to now you have to do the work. You have to be the yeah business owner that you should be and work it but like you said you open the door, but you in that space I have to do the work and that's a place where people don't want to do the work again. It's like okay we can do everything for you, but you getting anything you've created access and that's great. But I also love the opportunity of so many more like in September. We did the cover shoot. Yeah, it was so so fun and it was fun more fun because you came to my city and we're had office, you know, spend time and like kind of brainstorm a little bit and I love that every time you meet him like Hey Jackie, so what do you think about this idea of quake and like if you do this, right because we're always watching, you know, I can't I can't help it again pivoting. That shoot was so fun and that opportunity to do a cover shoot and work with all the missing people was you know, again, it's not just a little but a listing there were so many opportunities and not even about getting featured. It's just being able to do these things that typically would be a lot more difficult on your own right? All right, right. Now we always try to give different people opportunities like, you know, the hair stylist that we brought in from New York and the makeup artist that I'm from New Jersey. And you know, okay, you're going to come to Chicago and we're going to do this shoe and we're going to kill it and it's going to be fantastic. But at the end of the day, they've built new relationships and you know, like if love he's in New York. She's gonna call Tanika, you know, she's going to call Felicia. She's gonna be like I can recommend them to somebody so you just people that you come across in your life never underestimate them because you never know what they can do for you. Hmm. You have no idea. What doing makeup. For lovey out of add a cover shoot can do for you. And if you sure you don't know what that connection is going to get you. You don't know what the connection in the room. You don't know if a cat she's going to bring you into something in the future or you know, vice versa. I always tell people treat everyone like their a celebrity because you just don't know what kind of opportunity they're going to stumble on and how it's going to affect your life in a positive way if you are going to them, I love it. So with me, I know there's moon no, mommy. No lifestyle. Yes when the love affair Retreat Kitt. Yes husband me you how do you how do you balance us? All like, how do you do it all like and your soul you have this sense of Life of comment which I think I told you like a few weeks ago Mike. This is your tone is always this sweet like a might do you get Mad and say like oh, I'm so mad at you today. So I'm like I thought mad yeah, but how do you how do you say balance? How do you how do you do it? All like I want I don't want to know I'm sure people want to know too. Well, I always say there's no such thing as balance, you know, because my life is not balanced. My life is just I just manage it, you know, you kind of you kind of go with the flow. There's there's a ton as you know, like the even to get this appointment. There's so much going on like so much going on, but the only thing I can do is just to set my priorities like okay, you know what these are the things I must accomplish this week. And I can accomplish those things this week and I can still get other things done. But these ones are on the top of the list and I must get these things done and then making sure that I also if I'm doing all this work and the same thing with chica, we're doing all this work for the industry. We have to also do work for the family as well, you know working as a husband and wife team as you know, it can have its ups and downs. It can be devastating to if you're not if you're not careful so as much as I can put in work for the business I can put in work for my family and when I put in work for my family and I'm going to you know, like after this I'm going to go to my youngest ones basketball practice and that you know, like there's so much in my other ones having a sleepover tonight. There's a lot going on but because I make sure I dedicate time for my family. That's why I can really go hard for the industry without guilt. You know, I feel like I'm balancing it out in the best way that I know how I'm giving here and I'm also giving here and I'm making it all work out. I mean, there's always going to be something that gets you know, that gets missed and you know something that you kind of knew I should have done that or I don't beat myself up over it. You know, I've learned I've learned nobody's perfect. I can't beat myself up over things that I miss if I focus my energy on man, I didn't get that done. Then I won't get anything done. You know, the only thing I Indu is all it's like I tell my kids. Okay fine. Maybe you just got to turn over next play like work on this on the next focus on the next play like what you want to do next. Maybe you go steal the ball get it back. What is the next play? So if I drop the ball on something? Yeah. Okay fine. Now I messed up that was horrible blah blah blah, but you know, what? What's my next play What's Next? What am I going to do to make up for it? Right? So don't worry. I'll just move on to the next thing you you have to I'm You have to because if you don't you get stuck in this spiral of of guilt inand shame and you know feeling unaccomplished and when you get into that when you get into that spiral as an entrepreneur, it can be a very dangerous place. You have to constantly pat yourself in the on the back as an entrepreneur and and lift yourself up. It's like we're create that's why they say entrepreneurs are crazy because you're constantly playing a mind game with Yourself like no, I'm good. Okay. No. No, I got this i got this i got this. Oh wait this person just did this. No. No, I'm alright. I'm alright. Alright like it is what it is. That's that's kind of that's what you go through. But if you don't if you don't find a way to keep yourself positive, then you end up smiling down it part of how I felt. You know, I like to watch my shows on Netflix with my little blanket and I'm content like those little simple things my little glass of wine here and there and I'm content like I'm good. Yeah. And then I can go hard every day. I love that. Okay. So what are you most proud of? Hmm. What am I most proud of in business and life in in general? We think of one thing you like it in the end after everything. What are you most proud of that you've done? You know, I'm proud that I believed in myself enough to To totally transform my life and my lifestyle and you know what the life of my children is going to be in the future, you know there I had you get to a point in a road and it goes into three different directions and you're like which way do I go do I go in this direction where my parents are like this what you should do do I go in that direction where I feel like there's a passion there do I go this way? Who am I going with you know? Can be extremely difficult but whichever direction that you go should be a place where you feel proud you feel like I'm going to own this, you know, I did this decision on my own. I thought it out. I felt like it was the right thing to do and you own it throughout the way and you make it work and what I'm saying. So I feel I feel good that I mean honestly when I left my job, it's my mom didn't know my parents didn't know for six months and the only reason a new is my brother told I'm like hey The only girl I have three brothers, so they're like, oh my gosh, I cannot believe this is actually turned out she left. Job, and she's going to go and do magazine. Hey, my life has ended you know, but I feel I feel proud that I was able to say look I'm going to this is what I want to do. Don't worry, you'll see and now everywhere. My mom has every single play she calls me from work like AA at this lady is yes my daughter on the phone, you know, so so yeah, I'm just it makes me proud because I can be extreme. Like I said, I can be an The Thinker extremely analytical and you know, sometimes you get into a motor some people get into a mold where they're trying to do what they feel other people want them to do and they don't follow your passions because of that, you know, there are people that are at their full-time jobs, which I'm not even knocking I feel like if you need to have a job do what you need to do get that paycheck plus that is a luxury to have a paycheck every two weeks get your paycheck and get your business together and get yourself ready and get your confidence level up so that when you're ready to Full-time you can do it with no regrets because it's not it's not an easy Rodeo. But you know, a lot of people have passions that they aren't following because they don't have the support system behind or you know the strength to just if you just go ham do it fear. That's another thing too or just like something one thing happens. You quit the okay. That's it. We were right. I see what he would be doing it. Exactly also acting so what's next for malucci? So what's next for malucci what we're about to hit our 10 years of being in business. Wow, which is ridiculous. I can't I just can't believe it's fucking easy 10 years. That's sick. You know, I've been playing back the past few days, like what everything that has happened in the past 10 years and it's like what I line it up and I kind of list it out. There's just so many things that have happened in so many things that have changed then You know so much rapid growth for the Multicultural industry and I've always said like when I did my TED Talk Back In 2011 I said we will get to a point where having a multicultural wedding magazine is not a big deal and that's a good point to get to because that means that diversity has exploded, you know, and it's not it's no longer a niche is it is becoming the norm and I feel like you know, we're at the point where there's so many Publications in there. How many blogs and there's so many Instagram accounts and and groups that are all highlighting, you know, Multicultural wedding industry and diversity and that that was the goal and it's the good thing is it's now a matter of how do we how do we take all of that energy and bring it all together and be a major Force? You know what I'm saying? Like a major Force because this is not about us anymore. This is about the generation that's coming after us in the right after them. You know what I'm saying? Like we're you know, we're getting up there in age. So we have to start thinking about what are we building collectively as a group of people that can sustain our people for the future. So, um, so yeah, this is just been a lot but you know, we're we have our Coterie Retreat that's going to be coming up in December. We're going to be in our set where we going. So So, when do we find out a lot of people think that but I just you know, sometimes we think we know no, let me just stop but no we're actually going to be announcing it probably in another ten days. We're gonna will start putting out some little hints here and there but it will be nice and it'll be fun move the the malucci the issue that we shot is actually going to be shipping in the next 10 days or so. So excited for people comfort. That was my Instagram. I mean like it was amazing. Just just and I was so proud to in May because now I actually saw it was just it was really random. Head wrap and then catch the came with this black background. I came out of nowhere in a room. It was like, yeah, I'm going to put her against that and then, you know, Lori bride with that custom gown that she made and then the stylist with the big hoop earring. It was it was sick. And then when that when that picture when we started looking at the pictures, there are so many gorgeous ones that that would have equally had been amazing on the cover but we're like this one with the head wrap and a black background beautiful brown skin bold red lip like this size. Is everything that we're talking about right now is my boo and she she was I mean, but the whole process was so didn't even feel like we were working like we just haven't had too much fun. Yeah, it was a lot of it was so good. And I love how lovely was just chill. She was just like okay, let's and everyone was on board. Everyone had the same level what I did notice the same level of respect for each other. It wasn't Diva. Yeah, there were no there was no Diva. There was no me me me and there was no no, it was just everyone laughs and that's what happens when we do that. The result is an fantastic Thank you for having my team and I was being part of that. It was just so I can't even I can't wait to see the issue. I'm like dying. - yeah, I can't hear you need literally collects everything. I might please give it back only makes you like and I have them I can do what like she takes. She took my work pens because I have pens in the office. That's a catchy event. She goes it's souvenirs. I'm like, so when you take this back to Nigeria, what are you doing - immense pain she was like she was like women. Have those so cute and then we were doing this how shoot and she's like let's let's take a picture and then she told she was like make sure it's even on the other side and I told my team I say you see where I get it from. My grandma know like Oh, I like that. It's even on the other side of my co oh it hit me on my dad's. Oh my gosh. I'm sure your family and your parents must be so proud to just see all that you're doing. The changes the impact, you know that you're making even the ones you're not aware of confidently you given every bad girl, but guy out there but person that says come out you two can shine like, you know, their faith why everyone you you're all so talented and I think that's the message that I got because I started where I was like I have passion. And I am I have style but sometimes you talk like you said we have conversations in our head. I talked myself into it talk myself out of it. Just knowing that there is the place out there that can give you that boost that lifts a place like what you can say have an idea in their go. Okay connect with this and this like it's just this beauty it's beyond and it's so it's a tumble of you say, it's not you don't want a pat on the back but But you guys absolutely deserve it in. Like I said, you know what you're doing that you said setting up for the next Generation, but knowing that you actually started this. Has to be you have to go in your continent and cry sometimes like I'm doing which is okay. However you want but it's that's so amazing. Okay find her in question is you I have to bring you back for part two because we have so much to talk about. I know I know I know I know I can go all know. This is so good and people need to know this. Okay, so find a few questions if you could have lunch with anyone, who would it be besides me? Besides you if I can have like maybe Mary J Blige, but I do love married life go marry her. Um if I can have lunch with probably brene Brown, I love brene Brown. She's like my friend in my head. She's your friend in here. I'd probably say yeah, I would have locate her. I'll have any if you could ask her one question. What would it be? Oh one question for brene Brown. I mean, I probably would ask her if she could. If she could evaluate how I'm operating in a space that that didn't exist that you know, I'm kind of responsible for and what bravery to her for me looks like that's a great question. Five minutes I'm going to call but I want to call her and tell her to call you. Oh, really? Okay, it's just like that. Okay, how can listeners find you? You can find us on our website. That's Munna Lucci Bridal.com. You can find us on Instagram. We are at Munna Lucci Bride on Instagram. 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About EPISODE 8: In this episode, host Akeshi Akinseye features special guest Jacqueline Nwobu CEO and Editor-in-Chief of Munaluchi Bride Magazine. Jacqueline Nwobu is the CEO and Editor-in-Chief of Munaluchi Bride Magazine, the leading nationally distributed wedding magazine and online wedding marketplace catering to multicultural couples and serving the $200 billion wedding and events industry. Since the launch of Munaluchi in 2010, Jacqueline has grown the brand into an industry leader with a robust multi-cultural marketplace and social media influence of over 600,000 followers worldwide. With a strong and focused vision to champion diversity, Jacqueline has successfully disrupted the industry to influence positive change and inclusiveness. Her TEDx talk on "Reshaping an Industry, One Like at a Time" has received rave reviews. Prior to launching Munaluchi Bride, Jacqueline obtained her B.S. degree in Medical Technology and worked for major pharmaceutical and diagnostic companies, including Johnson and Johnson. The rapid success of her magazine has landed her interviews on NBC, ABC and WPIX NY. Jacqueline resides in New Jersey with her husband and three children. In this episode, Jacqueline shares: Her journey since she launched Munaluchi magazine in 2010 Challenges she faced during the launch of the magazine Advice on how creative entrepreneurs can get their work published and some do's and don'ts! To learn more about our guest, Andrea Wise, follow her on: Instagram @munaluchibride : http://instagram.com/munaluchibride Facebook: hhttp://facebook.com/munaluchibridal Twitter: http://twitter.com/munaluchibride Website: www.munaluchibridal.com If you loved today's episode, share with your friends and tag me on Instagram, facebook or twitter @keshevents Follow Akeshi on instagram @keshevents If you would like to featured as a guest on the "Let's Talk About It Podcast" or have feedback or questions, send an email to [email protected]

Hey everyone, and welcome back to practically zero waste a podcast for making zero waste living as practical as possible. Welcome everyone to episode 56 for were chatting all about online shopping for second-hand clothes my new pal to any person tells us all about her side hustle buying vintage and secondhand items from thrift shops to resell on online platforms such as eBay Etsy and Poshmark and you think I'd be pretty good at recording things by this time, but unfortunately, my mic wasn't turned on for the interview. So what you'll hear. Here is a quieter version of my usual Jetty self asking questions while Jenny sounds great. But Mike mishaps aside. This interview was too lovely not to share if you enjoyed today's episode and want to hear more like it. Let me know when were review on Apple podcasts or by leaving a rating of his ministers. It seems like but for now it's time to learn about the online world of shopping second hand. Hi, Debbie. Hello. Can you tell me a little bit about yourself and how you came to be interested in secondhand clothing? Sure, I guess for me. It's always been something that I've done. It was the way that I was raised by my mom. We didn't have a ton of money growing up. So I think we thrift shop just for the need of it. Yeah, it was just kind of how we did things. So when I was a kid, it was always kind of like you do it by necessity and you didn't really appreciate it back then you're always Like oh, I wish I could have the cool things and we don't have the brand name jeans and all that stuff, but we did it because we had to and when I was a little bit older I kind of started to appreciate that and I think it taught me a lot about the value of the dollar and it taught me a lot about making do and making use of the things that you already have instead of constantly going out to find more and more and more and more so it took a while before I kind of got to that point where I'm like, okay, I see why she did this and now I'm at a point in my life. I'm an adult. I have a job. I don't need to Thrift Shop, but I do it. Anyways, yeah, I like saving money. That's a huge thing. Like why spend more money why pay retail if you don't have to and then the other big part of it is the saving the environment factor, which obviously is important to you why we're all here, right all of us all to of us. All two of us is very busy room and it's yeah, I feel like it's way more important to that we reuse Things I still have life left in them. Yeah, and just because I have something that doesn't fit me anymore doesn't mean it's garbage. So if I can donate it or sell it and somebody else can make use of it. Why wouldn't I do that? Yeah, you said two options donating and selling and so the selling is the sum is the one that we're going to talk about tonight is I just feel like every time that I've gone to a thrift shop it is so obscenely inundated with stuff like there's just too much stuff. It's over. Humming. Yeah, what was the first item that you found and then resold that like specifically the first item. I'm not a hundred percent. Sure. I did kind of start my vintage shop. I guess it was around 2014. So five years ago now which is Electric City vintage and I've can't believe I got that name. I don't know how I got lucky, but I grabbed it up on Instagram and that was right around the time that my now husband and I started dating and And one of the things that we kind of bonded over was thrift shopping and vintage things like we literally went to thrift shops on our second date. So super exciting, you know, we went out and it was kind of a cute story. We went to Valley Village and we were looking around and we had kind of bonded that we both really liked vintage items and like that sort of like retro mid-century modern luck. And I found like I said if kitchen canisters that were Or 60s or something and he bought them for me. That was like the first gift he ever gave me on our second date was these retro canisters for the kitchen from Valley Village. So when we had started dating and we were doing a lot of thrifting stuff together, we kind of decided we were going to try and make a go of selling things. So he had done a little bit of that himself with stuff that he was interested in like he's really into like vintage watches and sunglasses like, right Vance and I kind of stuff so he had been selling some things on eBay and I was really into like the vintage clothing side of things. So we started Electric City vintage together grab that Instagram account set up enough to store and just kind of started selling small things here and there and it was mostly stuff like vintage ties and little accessories and things like that that are easier to ship right because shipping can be expensive. That's kind of the way it goes in Canada. Yeah. I don't know exactly what the first item was. I feel like maybe it was Vintage tie that's sold and that kind of started the obsession with the like buying to resell the thrill of reselling something that like, oh that was just kind of like sitting around my house for so long and then to suddenly have money in your pocket for something that you never wanted in the first place or whatever. It is. Thrill is a good few. Yeah, and it kind of easy to get into hoarder Tendencies when you like hunting down things that are like cool and unique and interesting. Stinger is it can be and thankfully I'm a little bit of a minimalist not fully been little minimalist by any means but I don't like clutter. So I love vintage stuff, but I don't like to be surrounded by stuff. So it's kind of like I find something on a shelf. I'm like, oh, this is so cool. I can't just leave it here, but then I'll take it home and try and find a new home word. So we tend to collect things in our basement and then every once in a while just kind of do it clear out and do a big yard sale or no put a bunch of stuff up on it at sea or EPA or now Poshmark. To try and kind of get rid of some things and if we make a little bit of money in the process, then that's awesome. Like actually your business MSU have a full-time job. I do on the side. Yeah. See my full-time job is my side hustle. I think right now starting this podcast when I was still working. Well, you find something that interests you and then it doesn't feel like work and you just want to do it all the time. Right? What is your system for finding clothing of some value in secondhand stores? Yeah, so I I'm still kind of figuring that out. So I've well I've been doing the Etsy thing had been doing the ANSI thing for a while and on Etsy. It was very much all vintage stuff and I feel like vintage. I've got a decent handle on what's good in terms of resale value because you kind of have to look at it in a It's of what's actually usable now. Like there's a lot of vintage out there. That's super cool and you can look at in a sense of like this would be amazing in a museum, but would you actually wear it today? Right? So my focus with the Vintage stuff is always been wearable vintage and I mean that could be stuff from the 50s and 60s if it's in the right context and the right size because stuff from back then is absolutely tiny. But then when you get into like the 70s the 80s the 90s it's a lot more wearable now. Because it has that sort of the fabrication and the construction that we are used to whereas some vintage stuff. The older stuff can be a little uncomfortable just because it's a little stiffer and the way it was constructed is different than how we do it now. So that's what this sort of my focus has been with the Vintage stuff is finding wearable usable vintage in really good condition Poshmark. I'm still kind of figuring out the ropes of what really sells well because it it's not just vintage its new clothes and use clothes as well. So you have to be a little bit More on Trend in that sense and knowing what people are interested in what people are buying what people are wearing and I'm not the type of person that's like super up on trends. Like I think I have a good eye for fashion, but I'm guy don't buy fashion magazines anymore. Like I don't think I've picked up a fashion magazine since I was about 19 or 20 or something like that, right? So that's kind of been a work in progress to try and try and figure that out. But what I look for is the higher end Brands, so the ones that That are a little bit better quality. They're made out of fabrics that are generally speaking natural Fabrics, like wolves and Cotton's and silks and that sort of thing as opposed to polyesters. So they're higher quality. The fabrication is nicer and they're going to last longer so that tends to be what I look for as well as things that are a little bit more classic because they're going to last a lot longer in terms of like style. Right? So people are going to be more likely to buy things. I think that they can get a long-term you said of instead of like the oh And trendy stuff. I mean there's always something that's new and hot weather. It's like crop tops or or like a Forever 21. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah that kind of stuff. I don't tend to go to as much just because it is so fleeting versus, you know, the things that are sort of Classics like, you know, well cos sweaters and jeans and like dress pants or Blazers or dresses that you can wear to work and that kind of thing because you get really good use out of that. So tell me about Poshmark what it is kind of how you kind of came across it and also what the process is for selling something on there. Yeah. So it's Poshmark is interesting. It's been in the states for a number of years. I feel like it's been probably maybe five or six years or so that has been in the States but it's brand new to Canada. So they just came into the Canadian Market back in the spring. I heard about Poshmark maybe two years ago or so mainly through Instagram because I follow a lot of other vintage sellers on Instagram. A lot of them are in the states so they were always posting things like oh such and such as in my Poshmark closet. I'm like, what is this Poshmark closet everyone's talking about so I did a little research to try and figure out what it was and saw of course that it wasn't available again, and I was like, that's a bit of a bummer but it seemed like it was really neat. So when they came to the Canadian Market, I was excited. Like I'm going to give this a try. Yeah mainly because I've been a little bit disappointed with Etsy and some of the way that like policy changes that they've done recently. So I thought you know what I'll give this to Receive it works better for me. And so far it has which is great Poshmark. I would say is a combination of a social network and something like eBay. Okay. So it's like a if Instagram and eBay had a baby it would be Poshmark. So it's similar to a social network in the sense that you follow people and you can like their posts and you can comment and you can interact but at the same time the purpose of all this is that we're buying and selling it's mostly clothing and like I said, Threes and shoes and that kind of stuff but they do have a homework at now as well. So you will they have kind of open it up to like small decor items in that sort of thing as well. Yeah, and that gets hard to ship as a small business owner. Yeah, that would be hard to ship a lamp. Exactly. Yeah, so generally speaking it does tend to be the small stuff because you can pop it in a box or like a mailer and and toss it in with Canada Post. The benefit that Poshmark has is that they have kind of made it really easy. E for us to use so you can do everything from an app on your phone. Wow. So you set up your clothes. You can lay them out on your bed or put them on a mannequin snap a few pictures with your phone and do everything right in the app. Is that the price upload it and then you're off and running. Wow, that would make it so easy to clean out your closet when you have all of those random things that just aren't easy for you to give away. Like it's something that you spent a lot of money on your song is maybe slightly more. Sentimental and wanting to just pass it on in a bag of stuff to your shop. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, and they make it super easy which is kind of the benefit like they take a cut most of the time it's around like twenty percent. So it's not a small cut. But of course the ease-of-use kind of counteracts that and then the other part of it is is they actually take care of the shipping for you and that's that's kind of been the difficult part about selling on like eBay or Etsy because you have to deal with all the different shipping carriers and figuring out you know, what, Size of the package. How much does it weigh? How far is it going? Right. How much is going to cost a ship this thing with Poshmark? They have negotiated discounted rates with Canada Post. So basically anywhere in Canada because you are your only shipping within Canada. If you're on the Canadian Poshmark app anywhere in Canada $12.99. So it's really not bad and you can ship basically any size box you want as long as it's under I think it's like five pounds or something like that and you can close it and yeah, it doesn't weigh a lot. So basically what happens is when I sell an item on Poshmark pretty much instantly. They email me a prepaid shipping label. So I just slept throw it in the Box slap on the label toss it in the mailbox and I'm done. Okay, this is really yeah, and then the nice thing is that the buyer they know that they're paying 1299 shipping. So they're not trying to haggle with you because you're not the person who's setting the shipping rates that's coming from the app. Is it something that you experience with that see and Babe's a little bit. Yeah, there is a little bit of that sort of like people I think expect free shipping or discounted shipping or get can set people off from buying if the shipping is too much, you know, because if you have to calculate your shipping and it's going from Toronto to Vancouver, for example, they're going to go I don't really want to spend like 30 dollars to ship this $15 item. Like it's a little absurd sometimes what's nice is that it's part of the regular clothes. Service, it's not specific truck driving specifically to your house and spending that. Yeah, this is that carbon like, you know, fossil fuels instead. It's just part of the regular routes and be dropped off at that time. Yeah on a route that it was going to take anyway. Yeah, exactly. I most of the time the packages are relatively small so they just kind of go in the mail carriers envelope, right? Yeah, unless you're shipping like a huge bundle of somebody spot like, you know, six items or something like that then you put it in big box. Yeah, I wish that would be amazing. Do you ever fix anything up or change anything before reselling it something that you found in a thrift shop and needs touching up for ya. So I well I don't really change things. I have some sewing skills, but not like a would be able to make a wedding dress for example, but I can fix things that are broken to a certain degree. So that's kind of the extent of it is, you know, like fixing up loose threads and sewing on buttons and and that kind of stuff. Simple men to jobs because I'm not like super high skilled seamstress. But if I had more time on my hands and more skill. I absolutely would I think that's amazing. There's some really neat designers out there that are doing upcycled things. Like I don't know if you've seen that pre-loved she's makes really cool things. I would have liked Shield Stitch multiple sweaters together to make one and it's a really cool look. Yeah, and then to have the skill to put them together nicely nicely and to understand like fabrics and the way that they're Going to change as you wash them and that sort of thing so that it actually has some to durability. I guess you could say that's so cool. Yeah, the one-of-a-kind show in Toronto. There was somebody who is making leggings and camisoles and and tank tops and long underwear that sort of stuff. Yeah of cashmere sweaters. Okay that they were thrifting and that's cool. They were so comfy. I wish I had more skill on that maybe one day. Do you own like a brick and mortar store for electricity vintage or is it it's all on It's all online. Yeah, that's great. Yeah, I went first. Well, exactly and like I say like brick and mortar stores are kind of going by the wayside, right? So everything's so expensive to have a physical location and people aren't shopping in physical locations anymore to the extent that they used to be. So why not do it online, but what are your kind of tips for people who want to start either buying or selling on proxmark? I think kind of the main thing if you're selling is to try and be what I would call like a good seller. So someone who's taking a lot of detailed photos so that people can actually see what it is are buying would be so hard to purchase something. That is it's not like this one dress that you're selling has eight different size options. It's just one dress one side to like be detailed would be so important. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. So detailed pictures not hiding if there's a defects of any kind like when were talking about used clothing. Yes, there's going to be things like there might be a little Ends here and there and I try to buy things that are in really really good condition, but they're not going to be perfect. So to be upfront about what those laws are and take detailed pictures so that people feel comfortable buying and they feel safe that you're being honest with them. The other big part of it is measurements. Oh, yeah. Yeah, so posting detailed and accurate measurements of people can say yes, this is going to fit me or no, it's not and if you're a buyer, I think the main thing is knowing what your measurements are and if you're not sure then Then you compare it to a well-fitting item in your closet. So if you see a pair of pants that you love and you're like I like these but pants are so hard to fit take the measuring tape out. See like what is the rise? What's the inseam? What's the waist so that you can kind of compare to that item and see if you can figure out whether it's going to fit. Well, that is so smart because a size small from one company has an extra size large is not going to be the same is going to be completely different depending the vanity sizing, right? So and then the other part of it is Fit so if you have something that's like a high-waisted pant where the waistline is going to lie is so different than a low waisted. So being able to determine not only the size but the fit and then the measurements to go along with that. It's not an easy process. But if the information is there for the buyer then they're going to feel more comfortable making that choice and they can ask questions. Yeah, there's a commenting system yet. It can message you and yeah exactly they can if they're unsure about something or if you see something that you love and there isn't a measurement listed ask most of the time people will be willing to give you more information sometimes on Facebook Marketplace or something like that. You are selling something and you get a lot of responses all at once and rather than just going with the top person or the first person. How do you decide who gets it when you just have one item to sell with the what so with that app? It's sort of differs from eBay in the sense that it's not an auction style listing. So once somebody puts it in their basket, And hits that buy button it's there so you don't have the option to choose whether somebody gets it or not. So it's sort of automated in that sense. They basically they put it in the basket and if they're taking too long with them in putting their information somebody could scoop it. So as soon as they input their information is hit like sender by or whatever the button says, oh, like what they actually made the purchase yet. It disappears disappears off the be cut like they're just a little sold tag on that and then you can nobody else can purchase it. So they have this thing where you can like it so similar to Instagram where you hit the little heart and once somebody has liked it that's sort of opens up the option for the seller to negotiate with the buyer. So if you like my dress that I've posted then I can send you an offer and I can say, you know, I was asking $40 for this dress, but I'll offer to 435. Okay, and then you have the option to counter that offer or decline it or accept it. So it kind of opens up that negotiation between the seller and the buyer interesting and Also have the option to do bundles so bundles it almost acts like a shopping cart where you can kind of like place it in a the shopping cart other people can still buy it at that point, but then you can grab you know other things and then you can negotiate a discount based on multiple items and then you save on shipping as well. Yes. Yes great because it would still be exactly think ya real cool. I just want everybody who's like listening. He's really into three. Lifting and looking for those really high quality awesome finds to like really consider this as an option because what a simple straightforward way to make a little bit of extra money off of your items that you aren't wearing and you aren't using it's smart for the seller because you can take things that you're not using or maybe don't fit anymore or you don't have the occasion to wear like how many of us on multiple like bridesmaids dresses and things like that that you'll never wear again. But they cost a lot of money, right? So to be able to get a little bit of a return on your investment is awesome. And then somebody else can make use of that thing and they can get it for a better price than having to go out and buy it news and you're saving the environment by doing it with that too is that we've talked a little bit before about secondhand shopping. I talk about it all the time just because it's such an obvious way to save money and to reduce your impact on the planet, but why does it reduce your impact are you? All to speak a little bit to that. Yeah. I mean, I think it does in a lot of ways a it keeps things out of the landfills which is huge right? It's like if I have a shirt that's not good for me anymore doesn't mean that is garbage. So if somebody else can make use of it then why wouldn't I donate it or sell it? The other part of that is so one thing that you and I kind of talked about is reducing the microplastics in the waterways. So something that I've been trying to do is to slowly phase out any of the synthetic fabrics that I My closet so that I'm not washing that away into the water supply and one way that I'm doing that is by thrift shopping. So like take those sweater. I'm wearing today. For example, I think you and I got this on Poshmark. So this is I mean, it's a brand that I probably wouldn't normally have access to it's a little bit higher end. It's not available in Peterborough. So I would have to order it online and this is made of silk cotton and Kashmir. Wow, so it's super soft. It's comfortable natural. Fabrics it's not going to shed Plastics when I wash it. So those are the sorts of things that I look for when I'm thrifting because I really want to try and find things that are natural materials that are high-quality that are going to last a long time because it's better for the environment better to not constantly be replacing things and having to create new things and I feel like if you're buying smartly and you're able to buy things that are high-quality used because it's a little bit cheaper than you're doing yourself. Favor in the long run absolutely your qualitative my last that much longer and especially if you're looking for those classic items that aren't going to they're not going to go to style and yeah, okay to be spending a little bit more on an item because it's going to work for you until you're 50 would get if you're not already 50. So it's nice to have items in your closet that you think I can wear this for at least another 10 years. And yes, I'm going to be durable. It's going to last and I like what you said too about. Not creating a demand for more be produced because that is such a problem when we are creating the demand for more resources to be grown to be able to produce the fabric whether it's polyester or cotton or anything and then we end up just throwing it away or giving it to a thrift shop for like they're just so overwhelmed with stuff. Yes my heart aches for they are here. With stuff stuff stuff and more stuff exactly and it's the issue is that fashion is such a horrible offender in this realm and because it's not only the Fabrics that they're using. It's the time spent producing them and the emissions from the factories and then the shipping it from one side of the world to the other. There's just so many facets p.m. And then even the treatments of the Fabrics with you know now Now if you buy children's clothes everything's covered in flame retardants and and things like that and because such a dumb thing, it feels like an unnecessary thing to scare me about because I don't I've never worried that my child would catch fire. But now I'm buying clothing for not personally but like one would buy clothing that's flame-retardant just in case he caught fire then his clothes would be fine. Yeah, like what? I have never met a child that has spontaneously combusted it would be weird. If I did that. Yeah, I've never seen that and it's just it's such a necessary thing to add to the list of things that are already scared. Yeah, well in a lot to mention the toxic load of those Fabrics against your child's skin, right which hey if your second hand shop and it's already been launched a bunch of time. So probably a little cleaner by now. There's another reason to Surf Shop. Yeah, and they don't wear them out. So they're still in great condition when they end up in the thrift shop. I mean you think about how little fabric goes into like a little kids outfit and then the cost of buying it is just absurd when you consider how little fabric there is located to make it so tiny. That's probably at yeah, they just have to be such like nimble-fingered people selling them. I guess. I don't know. What does it mean to be a posh Ambassador. It's I am one. It does sound fancy. I think it's so they sort of like give you these titles and don't really explain what they mean. From what I gather it's almost like being a mentor. So basically they track different stats stats. So things like your seller rating how fast you ship how many shares you're getting how many shares are giving how many love notes you're sending out and how many you're getting in and all that type of things how many followers followers do you have and so then When you reach a certain threshold on all of those stats, then you get Pasha Master status. And the idea is that they think okay. Well, you're someone who's doing? All right, so you can be sort of a touch point for new polishers. So when somebody signs up for Poshmark, they have a whole list of suggested users to follow and those are all Posh ambassadors like this and when I got passion Posh Ambassador status, like I think it was like two weeks ago or something like that all of a sudden my follows just like Through the air I had something like thirty eight hundred followers before that and now in the two weeks since I now have 18,000 followers. I like this isn't say the stressing me out. You're so popular. Oh my God. So popular only on Poshmark obscure everywhere else. Yeah, so it's a little weird. I mean, it seems a little silly. Sometimes the things I do, but ultimately it creates this. This atmosphere of collaboration between people and they very much reward the idea of sharing the love being nice to each other and interacting and liking and commenting and sharing each other's posts which it makes sense because that's how you get your item sold and that's how Poshmark makes their money has that resulted in many more sales. Like what? Um, I'd like how often you make a sale. Yeah. So it's I mean, it's definitely picked up and I was little bit which is great. It's the I sold I think Two packages over the weekend and then like another couple in the last couple days. So it's yeah, it's definitely picked up since I got Josh Ambassador status, which is great. I love seeing that but generally speaking I would say like I have been selling a couple of things a week I would say and then now it's, you know, probably double that and people seem to shop late at night, which is interesting like when John sitting there watching TV scrolling through Poshmark all of a sudden there's a ton of activity. Everyone's doing the same thing. And people shop on the weekends. Yeah. So most of my cells are happening and that sort of like Thursday Friday until Monday kind of time ranges what I'm finding what are some of the most amazing finds that you've come across these kind of like I can't believe I found this in it. Yeah. I had a really cool one this Summer that like just blew my mind. I found in the costume section at till he's addressed. I should be in a museum. It's like I don't know the exact date like age range, but I'm based on the style and thinking it's like 1920s. Yeah, it's just this like heavily beaded black gown, that's just absolutely incredible and beautiful and I got it for $10 at Tully's and I took another change room and I tried it on and like this fits me like I have to buy this I'm like, I don't care if I'm wearing it for Halloween like I'm taking this home with me and I haven't had the heart to list it because it's just too special. So it just like hangs out in my spare bedroom. And there was a good while where it was hanging on the mannequin. Yeah, and then my husband would walk and if you like cheese because there's this woman in this long black dress standing there and he totally freaked out by it. I'm like it's probably haunted. So that's probably like the most amazing find that I've ever found because I'm just like it's so old it's insane how old it is and yet it's in beautiful condition unlike the beads on it or just incredible like I yeah. Wow. Yeah you so much. Yeah, like somebody who bought that had a lot of cash. Like I sort of reminds me of almost like a like a Downton Abbey kind of style dress or something like that. But so that was yeah. I was thrilled a couple of other ones that I've had to have. There's another dress that's been hanging in my closet that I haven't been able to bring myself to sell and it doesn't fit me. So there's no reason why I hang on to it, but it's just so special. It's just this beautiful 1950s like party dress super classic Styles got the little Cap sleeves and like the ribbon waistline and the poofy skirt and it's a beautiful color like all of Green Lace. Yeah, absolutely gorgeous and the tag inside it's still an amazing shape and it says Susie paret, which is kind of a big name in like vintage like 50s 60s fashion. And that was a big one. I saw in those stars like oh my God is he super it? So I brought that one home. I will eventually probably sell it on Etsy just because it's Not my size. So there's no reason to hang on to it. And somebody else is going to get some use out of that. Like I could just see that being like some cool high school girls, like prom dress or something like that. That'd be so amazing. But yeah, that's pretty thrilled about that one and recently not vintage related, but I found a sweatshirt at Tully's and from the designer Kenzo kind of a big name and I saw it. I was like, I know that name like I'm gonna get this for four dollars because I know that this is something special through it. On Poshmark two days later sold for $100. So how do you decide your prices for things like is it how much research you have to do? There is a fair bit of research involved and sometimes it's easy. Sometimes it's not so easy to find the things depending on how old they are. So you do a lot of like looking at comparables online. So if you can find fairly recent items like from the manufacturer you can kinda see what do they sell them for and then you get the retail price and that'll give you an idea of what you can. In the reseller Market generally speaking. People are not going to buy something for retail value unless it's like sold out super important like really, you know, sought-after collection then it kind of becomes a collectible and that's completely different but generally speaking resellers. You're going to be buying something for half price or less. Okay. So you kind of have to keep that in mind when you're sourcing something to see what am I paying for this? What can I get for it? You sold that sweater. That kinds of sweater for $100 that's half price of less than its original. It's a sweatshirt and it just has a signature across the front. That's it. I had never heard of this brand and I think originally they sell for something like two or three hundred like $300 for a sweatshirt. I know that thrift shops are for Charities and they're often. Just okay, how much would somebody reasonably pay low? Income families helping people out for a sweater. They probably need a sweater for bucks. That makes sense. Yeah, because they're not researching things. But sometimes when they went it's a well-known brand that is known for being higher end than the kind of price L book. Yeah, honestly, it's it's amazing that it would be hard to be in your line of work and work for a regular Thrift Shop like to the bag thing like This is like $200. Yeah, see I'm like, maybe I should get a part-time job. But now I feel like it's like they're getting it for free. It's being donated to them. So any profit is profit. So why not sell it at a reasonable price and then the people he needed you can take advantage or the people who want to resell it like me you would see the tags and I'm just like no. No, I don't like that pattern it like this because I'm just buying from my own closet. Yeah, so if you're going with a purpose of actually finding something special then you have a different technique or different. Yeah. Yeah exactly. You're sort of going in with a different thing in mind and it's I definitely look at X and that's the thing. It's like I'm when I look around the first or I'm like hmm, who's the other resellers in here? And you see the people that are just like furiously climbing through the Rocks like this and you're like, oh they're looking to resell and There's a people that are just kind of like willy-nilly looking at things and they check one size section and then they move on to the next and I'm like, I'm in the dresses and I'm going from size 14 decisive hero looking and my husband hates it because I mean he loves drifting but now I take a really long time when I first because I'm looking at all the sizes. But yeah, I'm like you're looking at the tags. You're looking at the fabric you looking at what condition it's in. But ultimately you're just like if it's even remotely good you grab it you put it in the basket you keep moving because you don't want somebody else to be grabbing the good stuff ahead of you. Especially not when you see that person. You're like, I think that's another paw. Sure. Do you have anybody that is really inspiring you in this kind of reuse and secondhand and thrifting community that you want to tell other people about. Yeah. It's been kind of a interesting process of like, you know, finding a new people to follow on social media and stuff and it's it kind of opens up a whole new world, right? Because now that we're online with all this stuff it's not Not just who's in your community. It's people all over the world and I've sort of been delving into a little bit of like following other resellers. Like I've followed other vintage sellers for a long time, but the reseller Market with Poshmark is a little bit more accessible because it's not dependent on you finding these amazing Museum Quality vintage pieces. And if you do amazing you have Avenue to salad, but you can get you know a cool sweater that's was made two years ago until dawn Poshmark whereas Etsy was very much Limited. Two handmade and vintage so much pressure on yeah categories. Yeah. So this is a kind of opens up. Everything makes them more accessible for people who were like, I can't necessarily go out and do sourcing trips and you know, estate sales and that kind of stuff that are you know, three states away or something like that. So I've been following the Vintage sellers for a long time. But now I'm telling following some resellers as well and there's been a little bit of like Crossover with that that a lot of the Vintage sellers are now doing Poshmark as well. Okay? And there's one that I've been following because she does a lot of like helpful tips on you know, like how to Posh essentially. She's called Foxborough vintage. So she has her vintage shop. I originally started following her because of that now she's doing Poshmark. She was one of the ones that was I was posting of it and I was like, what is this Poshmark? So she's doing a lot of that and then she's doing YouTube videos to kind of like help other people learn how to do Poshmark. Yeah, great. I'll include that in our show notes that people can find her. Give her a shout out. Yeah wanted to talk about is there a lot of fast fashion items on there? Like this is something quick and simple that if you just have a regular quality regular condition not like spectacular item of clothing. Could you have a Poshmark account? And oh, yeah, just try selling things for you're not even really making back what you spent On It originally, but you're just trying to clean out your closet is Yeah, something that people do absolutely yeah, they definitely do and there's lots of people who have closets where there's like literally five items and they're just trying to get rid of like, you know that H&M top from three years ago. Yeah or the Lululemon's I don't fit them anymore or whatever the case is and people definitely do that. And of course the price tag that they get for it is not going to be that high because people are not necessarily willing to spend that much on the fast fashion stuff when it's been used as well. The 12th inning in chipping. Yep, you're buying something for $5 and the shipping is more. Yeah, it can be a bit of a deterrent I think but there is definitely people doing it. And if that means that you can make a little bit of that money back, why wouldn't you try right that's easy enough to do so, it's worth a shot and you know, you might be listing something for $10, but that's also something that's relatively relatively easy for someone to be like I can spend $10 easy enough like there's definitely a market for that and a lot of people are using it in that way. Then there's a lot of people like myself, you know, they're actually sourcing things from thrift stores from you know, other places where they can resell it specifically so it's there's both of that going on. And I mean, it's interesting to see the sheer volume of stuff going in other shops and it's not just being donated by people is the thing. So what I've been finding a lot of lately and I probably depends on which thrift store you go to is that there are brand new still tags on stuff that's been donated from the stores. Yeah, so I think it's like I haven't fully figured out what's going on there, but my guess is that they're old stock. They can't sell it anymore because it's last season. So instead of throwing it in the trash or burning it burning it. Yeah, then they donate it they get a tax receipt because most of these these thrift stores are charitable organizations. They get something back for it. Yeah. I mean it's better than putting it in a landfill or burning it, but hmm. She's staying. Yeah, I guess there's the stages of doing good where can people find you online and on Poshmark on social media. Yeah. So if you are on Instagram, I am Electric City dot vintage Poshmark. I'm electric underscore style. Great. Yeah, if you're new to Poshmark and you are thinking about signing up you can use my username as a signup code and you get 15 dollars to spend in the apfel of those referrals. All codes right? I can get something for free and then and then you can go and buy that $10 shirt that you were eyeing up because you've got that $15 from the app. Well, thank you so much for telling me all about this and welcome. So cool to learn about how you can take advantage of reselling things and not just throwing it away or giving it to a thrift shop. Like that's so cool. Yeah. I I'm really enjoying it. It's been super fun. So thank you for having me. It's been awesome to kind of talk about it. I by no means An expert yet, but I'm working on it. Well that must mean something. Thanks again for listening everyone. If you'd like to learn more from Jenny or want to ask her questions, you can find her on Instagram and on Poshmark details in the show notes. If you enjoyed today's episode you'd probably also enjoy episode 9 secondhand September and episode 44 mend everything. You can find those in our archives wherever you get your podcasts. If you'd like to contact the show, you can always reach us by e-mail at practically zero waste at gmail. Dot-com or find me on Instagram at else with Callahan. That's all for now. Have a great week everyone and talk to you soon.

Does online shopping have to mean you can only buy something new? Today's chat with Posh Ambassador Jennie Persson is all about getting to know the online world of thrift shopping. Buying second hand clothes online has become crazy easy, selling clothes that no longer fit or don't suit your style anymore is simpler than ever! Jennie had some awesome tips for how turn a passion into a side hustle, knowing how to buy second hand when you can't try something on, and how to make a bit of extra cash on the side by passing on your pre-loved clothes and accessories. Find Jennie on Poshmark: @electric_style https://poshmark.ca/closet/electric_style Find us on Instagram: @electric.city.vintage @practicallyzerowastepod @elsbethcallaghan **************************** New episodes every Sunday.

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Roger Campbell from Australia and We're going to chat about the evolution of the Australian pork industry and the research that is coming out of there. And that is also of global interest. Dr. Campbell. How are you? I'm pretty good. How are you guys doing? Good God. I can't complain complain. How is life in Australia? That's pretty good that you know, the prices of turned around a lot. So all the producers are happy and I think they've learned earned where you know, the threshold for for production is under the current circumstances. I see it. But there's a lot of it is a lot of money being made at the moment were bad you had to to tough. He is like everyone else has yeah before I happier. Yeah much happier. Nice. Well good you appreciate the time and the the first question Roger always like to ask is you If you can just walk us through York Long career. You're you're a bit of a legend in the industry's very happy for that. Yeah. So, yeah, we need in the industry a long time, and that's why you know, I've seen it change a lot, but it's been evolutionary not revolutionary. So we'll discuss that later, but I started off when I finished at a Technical College in year 12 and you I couldn't Be an engineer. We're all my friends from that time our Engineers now, so I ended up going to an agricultural College, you know town called Horsham in country Victoria did three years there a year in beef research working with Larry Cora from KSU and then went to Melbourne University or University of Melbourne did a degree in ag science and started work. In research in 1973 with the Victorian Department of Agriculture and werribee and Victoria work there for like 15 years and most exciting year of my life during that period is when I work for 12 months with the US Department of Agriculture in Beltsville, just out of DC with a yeah. It was amazing. It was I was with that boss was a dr. Norm steel, but it just a great. Team, but at that time was when porcine growth hormone was first ever available. They would developing transgenic pigs, you know transgenic for human growth hormone bovine growth hormone was wearing sexy merman sexing semen was happening at the same laboratory. Pretty much changed older my Korea totally or enhance it a lot was amazing year unlimited funds after that. I come back I moved up. To bangy Media industry is the biggest pork producer in Australia as head of their technical division stayed there 11 years, then went to the USA working with a guy called Gary ringer out of Gridley, Illinois lived in Bloomington, Illinois, and also working with the United feed in Indiana for six years in 2005. I came back to Australia has offered the role as CEO of the porks out. Arcee and really spent the last 13 years Marcio in that role and you know was a again another tremendous job. I've never had a bad job. So it's been a great career. That's amazing. Yes, and and you've done how many studies over that period of time I think with the pokes a a say they probably individual projects over 300. When it first started it reinvigorated research in Australia, it filled a big capability gaps earth started 2005. The first one was all about efficiency and cost it finished in 2011. The second one was all about, you know welfare eating quality and it finished in June 2009 a it's a tremendous contribution for relatively small amount of money. to the Australian pork industry now as I remember when I went there a couple years ago and I got very impressed with the amount of research and the quality for the size of the industry. That was its. That was amazing. Yeah, and I do put a put a lot of money into research and you know, it's again if you look at the evolution of the industry a lot of that research prior to the pork CRC and after it is now just part of commercial production, so The greatest thing plus all the young people that were trained during that period a heck a lot of them are now working in. Yeah commercial production either in a research role or a management roles really did change the industry and hopefully it will take it forward in that, you know in a very positive way should very nice. Um, yeah, and then more recently you are you open your own consultancy company, is that right? Yeah, did that about a year maybe a year and a half ago now - yeah. Yes, and that's really been advising individual, you know production people working with a group in Canada and on a couple of boards some of you know commercial production company boards and others a boards that are more involved straight technical side of the business. So it's been going quite well keep me busy anyway. Yes. Yes, that's great. Well, so if you can walk us through their evolution of the Australian pork industry Roger, that would be great. Okay. So so just to put it in context I'll give you some sort of Milestone dates in a moment, but I started in the industry in research in 1973. And at that time there were 40,000 producers and believe it or not. 430,000 sounds the highest number of sales ever in Australia. Well, yeah, right. Yeah, and they're producing a me. I just under 200,000 tons of pork about 3.2 million pigs a year. And the reason there were so many styles and that point was that the government had put quotas on wheat production. So they couldn't deliver they wait, you know the crop Growers couldn't deliver weight to the the desk who handled all the grain so they started putting it through pigs and until that point. It really was a sideline business sideline to Dairy sideline the crops and it changed it about that time 1970 year 1972 1973, but now we have a look so we had then, you know. Over 400,000 say house. We now have two hundred and eighty thousand stars were producing 3.2 million pigs were now produce and 5.3 million pigs and going from 200,000 tons of pork to 400,000 kind of pork. So so that has been the evolution even / the years. The greatest change has been the loss of producers because we're going from 40,000 to 900. Wow, yeah in that time so so that's been yeah, the evolutions been like that and the producers who are left, you know own more and more of the sounds and more and more production. And as your way there are two producers that's Rivoli and Son pork Farms who produce about 36 38 percent of Australia's pork for those two companies and there's probably 60 or so producers who produce 80 Maybe 90% of the poor so that how its evolved sort of critical. Milestone dates one was 1965 when intense vacation of the Australian industry began with a business established in Bendigo and Victoria in 71 that add 2,000 South. So I think Australia was ahead of the USA even in going to Big herd sizes and integration and USA. Has followed a similar pattern to that. So that's how it changed. We saw productivity continue to increase the next real Milestone was probably 1990 when the federal government allowed Imports a frozen pork from Canada. Yeah, so and so frozen pork started the come in then and so it went from zero in 1992 about Hundred and eighty a hundred ninety thousand ton to Danny. Okay. So change a change the industry it took out a lot of the use of Australian pigs for ham and bacon manufacture. Yes. However, our industry used to be driven by the summer Christmas period a bit like yours when there was a big demand for hams. And so we see price go up and then it fall down back in the February March the following year now Australia's It's pretty much relied on the fresh meat Mar trying to producers and that price or that cyclical nature in the industry of prices. It's pretty much disappeared. And so yeah, and they've shown you can certainly make a very good money out of just supplying fresh meat to the Australian population. You know now our consumption Nepal, you know, the capital is about 27 kilograms a higher than the USA, but the Is a lot of it imported. So we produced USDA leaves Australia is in the top 10 exporters and importers of pork. So we've got 400,000 production and six hundred thousand ton consumption. And so it's a big import Gap there Marcia interesting and so well over the evolution of that time the other I think critical step was the commencement of the pork. Our study in 2005 because of brevet. Wow, it Revitalize research and has changed the industry since then and then the next Milestone most recent one was 2010 2010 to 2015 which was the move from you know, sales tools for pregnant sows to group housing that was a revolution and its it took about six years to complete but now we are 85 86 percent of the sale. Australia group that weaning or five days after the wounds and that made a big difference to price and demand as well. So what we're seeing is a small unit holders becoming bigger and bigger like the as less than 900 producers now and what I did notice is just continual and it is gradual but continual Improvement in productivity and efficiency a lot of that's good management and the rest is Introduction of new technologies which you know just become part of what we do after a while. So that's how the industry has changed from a sideline business. It's a very specialized business and a lot of innovation by especially the bigger companies. If you look at the products that you know, they're fully integrated feedmill genetics processing and then valuated product. So they have, you know, retail ready product both River Lea. Some pork and others and ended development and progress in those Marcia has just been amazing over the last five years a lot of credit for though to those companies are doing it on their own and being very successful. Very nice. And I think I remember your saying that a big part of the park CRC was also training a lot of very good people to the industries. They are right? Yeah a lot of yeah, we were both pork crc's trained a lot of people I think oh, but II c RC. I think there's 24 postgraduates that were trained by the pork soucy or you know in companies by the pork CRC and are now employed in the industry. So it was quite amazing. Really? Yeah, and you know the books Arc introduced Innovation such as the industry placement program where a company would apply for post graduate or graduate and porks our see would cover so much of the first two years employment provided they employed in from Minima three years and I'd say 90% of the people have taken that up if state with the companies or probably more important even moved on to other companies. Yeah, so it made a big difference. Interesting what what if you can comment on the genetic, you know, I don't want an Australia stopped importing genetics was if you can comment on that. Yeah, so I remember when I was at River lay, so I startled bunge. That's how I started there in 1988 and sometime between there and 95 we had imported everyone had Imported genetics in that proceeding years the few years preceding that a lot of do rocks a lot of large white different land land raised come in and I think it must have stopped in the mid. I mean early to mid-90s Marcio you have the they put a ban on importing pigs or semen. So it was that long ago. It was a long time ago since we've had Import in genetics, but if you look at the progress that And we see it through benchmarking projects. The progress in reproduction feed efficiency is still been tremendous. And even if you look at your progress in the u.s. If you look at over 10 years, it's tremendous and you divide it by 10. It seems slow but it's cumulative. Yeah, so so we continue to see improvements in productivity. So I think there was a lot of concern about you know, Lack of competitiveness in genetics, but of course with diseases like purrs and ASF around it's a balancing act and I think we're making good enough progress to be and the best producers here a very good, you know, then they're winning 2627 pigs for sale be a year and a very good business people and we're going to see more of that happen as the industry continues to contract and the better. Later will be owning and running in the industries that goes forward to. Interesting and can you comment shortly on the whole ASF? You know, you guys are very close to the whole situation if you have some comments on that on recent movements there in the industry. Yeah. Well, you know that everyone's watch the progress of isaf in Australia quite closely and then now, you know the lightest Formation was in Timor, which is about 750 kilometers from Northern Australia. So what we've seen what I've seen because I haven't been directly involved in it's just a lot of activity and by the federal government the federal government taking a very seriously so, you know as a lot more border controls at airports, but Australian pork limited, which is the policy body for the Australian pork industry have done a great job in in putting teams together preparedness and everyone's following things. Like you know, what we're seeing come out of America are on practice runs at it. So it's top-of-mind for everyone and I think the people who are going to be responsible for doing whatever they can to ensure. It doesn't interest Rhea are doing a very good job. I see at the moment most. Oh, it's very they're very active and very proactive. So so everyone's monitoring The interest I know individual producers, you know extremely Markley enhance their biosecurity and looking at where gaps exist in at the moment. So a lot of activity and a lot of concern Interesting. Now that makes sense. Where do you see the Australian pork industry going in the next 10 years Roger and well, it's we now know from past experience that there is a yeah, there's a sort of a set supply-demand point at which prices begin to collapse and we saw it in 2007 17 prices. Max tell you about pretty much over amongst from $3 idea kilogram down to two 4228 kilogram. It couldn't sell a pig for a while. So where is the opportunity in the next 10 years? Well, there are two opportunities one is in export markets. We already export about 10% of our production. So even our production Sound small, but we have a small population and I think that can and will grow we still don't have Have an agreement with China for exporter pork China in the next 10 years. I imagine that'll be achieved we see in continued productivity. Australia is very different from a lot of the rest of the world in terms of extreme extremely high welfare, welfare is always on top of mine disease status at the moment. Excellent, but the other big Market is to replace those Imports, you know that's equivalent to about Three million pigs. So the potential for growth is to go from five million to seven to potentially 8 million. So over the next 10 years depending on depending on how they can manage their cost and develop relationships with manufacturers. This industry has tremendous potential, you know to grow in size by 2030. Percent and I'm talking sustainably. So there are the two big opportunities. It's one is replacing Imports and the other is increasing exports and and increasing domestic demand. So so it can be very profitable what I'm seeing in 10 years is again further contraction. So you'll now see me you'll see what you might call smaller operations two or three thousand. Sal's will take opportunities when their And to actually grow by procurement, you know, though by other businesses, the big businesses will continue to develop develop don't products are very Innovative. And so in 10 years, I see a bigger industry heck of a lot more efficient. There's now we have 280 thousand thousand our to produce, you know, 5 million pigs or four hundred thousand ton of pork probably get down to 210 thousand for that amount. Or 280 ER to grow the grower production and the Business by I think 20-30 percent and that's so I see a vibrant business in 10 years much more even more productive than it is now, but with different Market opportunities than we're currently limited really fresh pork at the moment. So I think we'll be doing more manufacturing more export and and It should be very successful and they may be dips and you know dips and highs in that period but the future looks pretty good for this industry. That's great. That's that's very exciting. As we change gears a little bit of Roger in transition should into the research side of things. Yeah. Why do you see as the top three Recent research outcomes, that would be of global interest. Okay, so I think the first one at the moment Marcio is Is what's been called and call it what you want but this single diet concept we seem to revisit this every six or seven years but is increasing evidence and a seen it from Australia. There's a recent project just finish with April the company who replaced pork CRC suggesting that rather than saying have five phases from 20 kilogram 210 kilogram. You can actually save costs without affecting performance by just using one died that might be formulated for a pig at 70 75 kilogram that fed all the way from 25 220. Yeah, very convincing evidence and even look back through the literature. That mostly is a compensation response to a Restriction at some point in life, but the real message. I see from that at the moment is that you make that you need to make sure you finish your diets are adequate and paid less attention to the diets for the younger pigs. That's a message that's coming out of all this research. Right. That's that's very cool number of seen that I think the list three studies right recently on that. Yeah, there's been there's a one that's going to be presented at apps are in November this year from Karen Moore was in from Western Australia now, I haven't seen any details about that sore summary and that and what it was saying is that they reduced feed cost without changing performance at all by you know, 12 to 15. It wow, that's hard to believe but let's wait and see the Bateman but the potential there, you know, if you think it logistically and cost why is is massive. That's a big gap, but that's the one that's got my most interest at the moment. It has Global implications. So November December, we're going to know a lot more about that. But I've been following the literature on it and it sort of makes sense. Yeah actually makes sense. Let's wait and see but would be a game changer. Yeah, I mean it for sure says that we don't need we don't need six to eight diets right in the finishing. Right? And the other thing is, you know one diet is one thing right in Australia, but maybe other countries I know us has done some recent studies on that as well. And because the pig is so much heavier. Yes. I'm not gonna be. Oh, yeah, maybe true diets or three but we definitely don't need us. Straight diets. It sounds like right. Yeah. Yeah, I think you're dead ride is it depends on the weight? I think it can only take 210 kilogram you get away with maybe one day maybe but for the others you may not need, you know, the first four diets may use one diet there and ended partly deficient diet because the pigs were everything's look like the pigs will catch up, you know, once a 90 kilogram any rate going for 230. So yeah, right. Right, so just simple would simplify the whole, you know, feed manufacturing delivery process which you know in big systems is a real pain is very hard to get right. Yeah, right Finn middle managers will be happy. Yeah, that's right. So there so keep an eye on that one. The other one is this iguana linic acetic acid GAA, which is the precursor to Creatinine in the research. I've seen included in diets and about a kilogram at ton and very significant improvements in finish a pig feed efficiency and more recent report just came out of the Netherlands this year and a bargaining and showing improvements in survivability and and number of animals born in if it's in through gestation and poultry. We researched very recent poultry research and pork research showing that it has a big effect that produces ATP in muscle creatinine on energy is that status or homers status in the muscle and Reporting quite large effects on meat quality. So I think it's interesting. I think it's something that we've overlooked. It's It's not you but I don't think it's been investigated thoroughly enough. I think it has a I think it could have a big role in in Finisher nutrition and eating quality interest. Yeah, check that out. Not not yeah. Yeah, it's very interesting want to follow to have a look at it - yeah, it's more interesting it and a lot of research in 2018 2019 all showing pretty positive effects my third. One and again, this is a Back to the Future in summary spec because I'm member working with Rob Musa on this when I was at bunge, but is L-Carnitine in these, you know more prolific sales L-Carnitine in gestation again, I think it's what hundred hundred twenty five parts per million recent evidence showing effects on you know, birth weight and piglet. Bible which is yeah become a bit of an issue is, you know, getting pigs more pigs to survive and do better in lactation and there's enough evidence coming out there. Now saying that L carnitine is worth revisiting in probably it's right through gestation and maybe lactation. So then by three Hot Topics at the moment interesting. Yeah the kind of tune. Yeah that right around that. That why does that early 90s baby? Yeah, that's the early 90s and Rob was working with our seen bunge on it. But member litter size back then was about nine and a half, right? Yeah, so the pigs were born pretty big. Anyway. Yeah. So now it's 50. Yeah, the the fat on board for those was was actually from the additives as actually one of those that are were very very interesting, right? Yeah, very Very interesting. I remember all that activity at the time but it's just interesting that you then see like three Publications in a row showing positive effects. Now, they're always you know it but if you're saying what am I going to try commercially or as a research and those three areas, I've coveted those where I'd be investing some time at the moment depends on what your constraints and they were different with businesses and countries. But yeah, there there my three top picks at the moment. Very interesting very good. So with that anything else before we move to the three questions we ask every guest. I think Ali one other thing in that time. I've been in the industry and research is with I've seen the shift in you know, research power. You know, who's dominated the research Arena. So back in the 70s when I started right through the end of the 80s, I think was or maybe mid 80s. It was really the British, you know, they would loaded with smart people and And most of us dry and research and influence was from British nutrition as British reproduction S. I think in the late 80s to the maybe the midnight is astray actually became one of the top research and maybe the top certainly in nutrition in the world and since then and since the end of the 90s, it's very much been owning the USA. So you've seen this shift in influence in the research over that time and it's going to UK Australia bitter Europe, but now I think very much u.s. Space so quite interesting and so once we never looked at to the US for technical Innovation, and when I first went there in a workday 8687 there really wasn't much happening except that the highest level of research technological stuff, you know, Gene manipulation in that but nothing that nothing at really Commercial practical level now. It's all at that level so we know just an amazing shift over time. That's interesting. And I think you know one of the things that probably played a big role on that was the addition of this large commercial commercial Farms right? Research Farms. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I think you're right. So the first large commercial research Farm in Australia was established when I was at bunge. Interesting. Yeah, that's when it first started. So we established that and it's grown since then son pork have their own now that your ride in America was really the revolution of the American industry was two or three sides production welding from the somewhat of a backyard industry to you know, globally Progressive because they'll allow though. They expanded Sounders it started Contracting, you know, just Is Chimes American industry has moved to three site production and then like you're saying every all of the big herds over there now have their own research facility. So you can actually get large numbers. You may be a small trial at Illinois and then go and validate it at mashups. You know, that's that's how much it's changed. Yeah, right, and I think that that would be an interesting one force for some of the other countries, you know, I don't see See as much of that in many other countries. I know Canada's got several Europe and not extremely contact with Europe, but I know in South America that you cannot it's less than then a couple, you know, yeah. So the I think that's that'll be a good one for for some of the other Industries catch up to to have very very applied decisions there. Yeah, and then you do the that's right so they can validate. Stuff that comes out of the universities but when visiting the bigger producer in the US they do a lot of internal trials, you know addressing the issues they can see on a you know on a day-to-day or an annual basis. So it allows you to get an answer quite quickly. Yeah, which you can't get if you just waiting around that's why. You know people like organization at KSU the pork CRC and that have that responsibility, you know to get that information out to producers who don't have those facilities and if it's a if it's actually generated from commercial facilities, I think it's uptake as even quicker. So that has been a big change is development and use of commercial facilities are there would be no reason To destroy Leah, if we didn't have those commercial facilities, very nice. Very good celebrating its 25th anniversary. Just all manufacturers the original Wireless Standalone swine feeding system designed by pork producers for pork producers. They are simple reliable and provide Peace of Mind 24 hours a day 7 days a week 365 days a year just stall is not just Manufacturing. I factored by an equipment company, but by a family pork production business with a slat level understanding just all always one step ahead in swine feeding. It is time to our famous. Says we move to the three questions that we ask every guest Roger every episode. Yeah. The first one is what's your favorite swine related book? Okay, so my favorites wine-related book and it's actually not a swine related book, but it's it's a book on mammalian protein metabolism by by a guy Munroe is published a long time ago, but it mainly with research with rat but a lot of the stuff we're discovering the and last 10 years is already covered in that in know there was a series of three books come out. So that was the one I have most all. Is relied on go to and the other one is the one I use almost everyday is nutrient requirements as wine by the NRC in 2012. So, okay. Yeah, it's very interesting are not are you tired all the time? I have every every book ever published on YouTube requirements of pigs. Yeah, because it's not only she had the the estimate to requirement which you know, may or may not Be solid but it gives you all the background information. So up to that date. It's probably the most up-to-date, you know reference you can go to so that's what I use almost everyday. NRC 2012. Yeah. Yep, very nice. Yeah, that one so important to have right? Yeah, you got to have it that's wrong. Very good. And what about in general Roger besides pigs want to be your favorite book? Okay, I think fiber books out of to and it's it's either the double helix, which is the book about Ian from Watson and Creek about the discovery of the structure DNA just enthralling reading on yeah personal interactions and competition to discover the structure of DNA. So it's well worth the read is not a long book but it gives you a feel for how these scientists worked and the conflicts are existed, you know within the different organizations at the time. They got you know, Nobel Prize for it as well. So the other the other book that Is along similar lines is brighter than a thousand suns about the development of the atomic bomb in in the u.s. Well, really a fusion but led to the development of atomic bomb again. It's just the personal interactions and conflict, you know an Ethics that was going on at the point plus the devel, you know, the development of that bomb. So just tremendous reading you won't put him down interesting. Yeah. I heard about the double helix, but I don't think I heard about that one. That's that's interesting. Very good and the last question Rogers in your opinion what separates successful swine professionals from those that are not? I think there's probably lots of things and there's lots of good swine professional but I think the thing that helps create success is is the more knowledge you have of the biology and and the business so what how your research or research or read and see fits in to the business of pork production to affect outcomes, you know, and not doing anything and isolation. That's what I've always found. Brightest thing is I know that this is what happens and this is the implications if you know, you shouldn't really be doing that because biologically it's not kind of work even though you think of my the second one would be second one would be, you know, certainly having a good Network. So if you don't know I think you know who to contact and my third one third one would be on you're willing or people's willingness to challenge the status quo is without doing that. Nothing really changes, right? So you have to use you know, why you think to say well why the heck are we doing that? Right? Why? Yeah, that's be a better way of doing that and that's what leads to Innovation and good research, you know, well directed research. Yeah. Nice for the three traits or strengths will usually be successful. Yeah interesting. Yeah challenge of the book right? Just just yeah challenge the book. I mean, I've seen the books on nutrition re-written because someone challenged it. That's right. And that happened back in the 80s the whole new concept of energy protein malnutrition there, but it wouldn't have happened if I didn't Challenge and and there's you know, that's people are all Always doing that but it often you can just get bogged down into making sure you keep the engine to you know, actually see a new could make it run a bit better. Yeah, and and I think the single diet concept that you talked about. It is a good as illustration right of that challenging the status quo right there. It's a good illustration. And I know in the re previous research in Australia on it that it scared or worried most - yeah, and it was never really tested on a large scale, but I think we might see it tested on a large scale in the near future. Very nice. Very good. Roger really really safe for as always always always enjoy chatting with you and really appreciate your time today. It's a pleasure in Moscow. So I wish you all the best and look forward to catching up with her in not-too-distant future.

Today’s episode will cover the Evolution of the Australian pork industry and research of global interest. “The single diet concept suggests that rather than having 5 phases from 20- to 110-kg, you can actually save costs without affecting performance just using 1 diet that might be formulated for a pig at 70- to 77-kg but fed all the way through.” – Dr. Roger Campbell. Our guest is Dr. Roger Campbell, another bright mind of the Global Swine Industry. Dr. Campbell got his Ph.D. in 1973 in Nutrition and Physiology from the University of Melbourne. After that, he worked for a large integrator in Australia. From 2005 to 2018, he led the Pork CRC as their CEO with hundreds of experiments conducted and dozens of students trained. Recently, Roger opened his own consulting business named RG Campbell Advisory. What you will learn: The development of his career; The evolution of the Australian pork industry (students, genetic importing, ASF); The Australian pork industry in the next 10 years; Recent research outcomes of global interest; What separates successful swine professionals from those that are not. Roger’s favorite swine-related book: Mammalian protein metabolism and NRC (2012) Roger’s favorite book unrelated to swine: Double helix and Brighter than a thousand suns Edited by Lauro Faccin

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Thanks for having us on the show. Hey coach. Thank you so much for joining us. I mentioned it a little bit ago that moment with Casey O'Brien was very I mean it was riveting the video piece that College GameDay did this past weekend was incredible when I saw it happen live. It was awesome. A lot of people say PJ Fleck is just a lot of hype a lot of talk. Nothing is really genuine and to see you crying on the sidelines with a player of yours that you gave an incredible opportunity to I think showcase that you were this really genuinely A passionate great head coach for the Minnesota Gophers. What happened in that entire lead up there? Did you know that was going to happen to Casey know that was going to happen and did you know that the world was going to be touch as much as it was? Well, it's a very touching story. And if that story doesn't touch you, I don't think you're human being ha ha and so for Casey the renew that would possibly happen. We traveled in the Rutgers. We thought it happened earlier in the year. And when we had Nebraska here, we had an opportunity to possibly make it happen and then the kickoff return got flipped and the fumble got overturned so it wasn't meant to be there but doing it at Rutgers was really special moment for our players really special moment for Casey, you know his whole life. He's been told he won't he can't he Shouldn't he wouldn't we're not going to allow you to in terms of playing college football and all this young man has done is defy every odd possible whether it's beating cancer four times, whether it's being told he would never play football. Nobody can ever take away that he played Big Ten college football away from him. And I think that's something that's really important. And he's one of the most special human beings I've ever met in my entire life and for the people who obviously don't think whatever however they feel about me. I mean, that's how they feel. They probably don't know me very well. Well, so I really don't worry about what people think of me if they don't know me, but Katie O'Brien is the the ultimate go for and he's what were the boats all about Coach when I say this, I mean this I didn't know much about you before we went into your facility and then the way we were treated by everybody of your staff was just first class. It's obviously a matter of big reason why you're skyrocketing in this coaching profession in a reason why you've gotten a Gophers to turn around so quickly you've motivated an entire. State an organization there to get things going with Casey O'Brien by the way, great hold I mean that was a good hold. He turned that thing and everything. I mean, I think that should not go unnoticed their Minnesota. Yeah, you would definitely notice that right. I mean, yes somebody who could actually appreciate that you would and the second hold was even better because that one was on the ground and he had to give me a bill to find a way to make the Holden. That's the one you hold your breath on because as a parent as well, I have four kids of my own and you know, it's hard when you know that he tried can't be hit and he got that thing down in the last thing I wanted him to do was yell fire. That would not have made me feel very good. Would it made my heart drop but he's a great athlete he was able to get it down. That's amazing the Minnesota Gophers also an amazing not only story of an amazing team right now. Undefeated got Penn State traveling to Minnesota. I saw you chatting about having gone to college game day visit to campus which After experiencing one college game day. Brookings South Dakota, absolutely electric. What is the team's mindset going into the game against a Nittany Lions who are also very very very good. This is going to be an incredible Big Ten matchup. Yeah. First of all, you didn't delete job last week. I got a chance to even watching. I appreciate you picking the Gophers you didn't spend much time on it, which I appreciate I wasn't allowed to yelled at me for talking the like the time before that so I just had to get a row the boat in there Skye you Mama? Yeah. Listen, I that meant a lot to our program that we really appreciate that and your gear Was top notch man. I mean there's a few you win the gear of Gameday lifetime. But so you but you know Penn State's was the best teams in the country their top five for a reason and when you watch them on film they have weapons everywhere quarterbacks plan and it's incredibly high level is a dual threat guy and then they also have one of the best receivers in college football who does everything he's kind of like Rondell Moorish but maybe even faster and they do a lot of things with him. So that's their version of him. They have great running backs or offensive lines tremendous or tight ends are very talented. They've got three receivers. You can really go and really run and then their defense they play 22 guys, they rotate in and out and they don't miss a beat. They have depth. They've been there a long time they've been able to create depth and recruited a high-level to it's a tremendous challenge for us and we know that but we love that. It's a TCF Bank Stadium. We love that we have them at home and we love that Edge front of our home crowd. How the hell did you get this team to turn around so fast, ion it whenever we were in there. R we got a chance to kind of see the boys come together and I think some people left the program behind their own part because they didn't want to buy into what you were selling. But you and everybody that we talked to their said we got a good group of guys coming in. We got to we got our guys in here in to turn around. There's no way you could have thought it was going to happen this fast. I mean in that building it was very cool to feel like everybody was living in this is rowing the boat in the same direction. It really felt that way is that kind of the reason why it's turned around so quickly or what has been the The Magic Bullet here. Well, I don't know if there's any magic formula or any magic bullet programs either make a turn or they don't coaches either probably find a way to get extended or win a lot of games or they get fired. Right? I mean, that's it either happens or it doesn't the one thing that we have is incredible people. Our staff is absolutely Elite and I mean everybody from Garrett chernoff our GM or operations are recruiting department our support staff are recruiting assistant coaches we have incredible. People and then our players are incredible people and we have 85 players above a 3.0 GPA right now, they get they get demanded to do what they do in the classroom. Just as much as they do on the field and vice versa. They have over 1100 community service hours since January we challenge them to be Champions. And if that's what they really wanted they were going to have an enormous off season ahead of them and they took it head-on. It was a very difficult difficult offseason for them not in terms of like brutally hard. It was just challenging that Every day you had to find a way to be better today than you were yesterday and that's hard for human beings. It's fighting human nature every day and it's getting the right fit here. I am not for everybody and I am not going to apologize for being not for everybody. I don't want to be for everybody. I am going to be me. I am going to be the best version of myself and the best coach in the best husband the best father as well as I want our players to be the same thing and our staff to be the same way and I'm not going to be for everybody and I think Kitt one thing with me it happens very quickly if I'm for you perfect if I'm not for you, you know very quickly and that's okay and I think that's what happened faster than maybe if some coaches try to be somebody that they're not and they massage things here and there and next thing you know, you have people who don't fit in your 3 4 and then you're still struggling. So I think that's that's what we've done. That's how we've done it for 7 years. We are who we are and we're just very proud and thankful and very humbled to be at the University of Minnesota. Man, what a speech about life. You just gave they're not just coaching. I mean that was an incredible. Some people just aren't going to like you. That's just the way it goes. That's for everybody. Not just a head coach of Minnesota. But in life, that's just the way it goes. And by the way more humans are going to like you then not like you that's just the way it is. Keep it moving. Let's not worry about anything else. All right, I want to ask you about the word elite because when we are in your building if something was called an elite it was massive. It's like hey, this is a lie. You told me my performance on College GameDay was Ali I got so excited. Because I know how big of a word that is for your program. What is Elite? Why are you guys Elite? And why is that the most important word in the dictionary for Minnesota Gophers back? First of all, it's a lifestyle, right? And it's a standard and my wife will Heather always tells me what's the hardest part about being the standard is your the standard and you're always the standard right? And so the Navy Seals call themselves Elite. It's a special part of the Navy right? It's the elite of the elite. It's a group. That's just different now we Define elite as a necktie mentality. Prefontaine face and Farmers Alliance, I know that doesn't make any sense to all of you. But an Exon is an organism that can flow through water without the water current dictating this Behavior. So a great white shark is a nekton at always attacks and it's never full it never satisfied. So whether that's academically athletically socially spiritually it's never satisfied Navy Seals can fight on land water and air they are never satisfied and they're the elite of the elite. So we want them to have this always attack Never full minute. Polity in then their whole life as a husband as a father one day as a student athlete as a representation of the University of Minnesota, then the Prefontaine basis just we want them to do things urgently. There's no procrastination in this program 0 whatever you can do tomorrow find a way to do it today, right? Don't put it off till tomorrow. No matter what and that's what we talk to our players about and then the last part of the farmers Alliance and that's about trust my farm is right next to your farm. Your farm is just as important to my as mine because the court the seeds of corner on top. And the wind will dictate what are our crop is like so you have to take care of each other and you have to love each other and you have to be very selfless. So that's what Elite is does. I know it's a big definition. It sounds like all these fancy slogans and words and oh my gosh, he's just a slogan guy. It's simple. It's just finding a way to be better today than you were yesterday and fighting human nature coach. You just made me want to nekton through a wall gun. Is that every day right there? Is that type of energy from you and just incredible motivational speech. I mean literally it is 1015 right now. I'm not running on a lot of sleep but this fall schedule and I was ready to flip my table right there out of nowhere. Is this every day? Is that what you mean by every day? The team is being asked to get better every day. You have to show up with energy because every day you can either get better or worse. Yeah because of the human species were lazy, you know, we want we're like water the path of least resistance, you know, we want to be comfortable. You know where we want to just sit back and watch television, but our mind is the most powerful tool we have and it's fighting that every single day and I'm a former sixth grade social studies teacher so I can get creative really quickly. That's what I'm trained in and to teach, you know, Thirty sixth graders ancient Rome 30 different ways and people always ask me. Are you always like this and I looked right back at them and I tell him like what you like. Are you always like this you don't even know what they're talking about because I've been this way my entire life I have Of energy. I have passion. I've always had a love for life. There's been good things at my life really bad things that happen in my life. I know I have a purpose and a platform and I'm going to use it to the best of my ability but I am who I am and like I said before I want our players to be who they are and they don't have to match my personality, but they do have to match the burning desire inside my heart my soul my spirit to be the best I can possibly be and if you match me that we'll get to know each other really well and will fit. If you do not match me that way you'll never get me you'll never understand me and we'll never fit so you can be like Daniel pilate doesn't talk much. His personality is opposite of mine, but his internal drive to be the greatest player of person. He can be matches mine and that's why we fit so well coach My God, I need if you are a coach right now which by the way, you're a very very good one you've turned around programs. That's what you do. It's incredible to do in a very hard field to have success like you have had but you know, you could probably go on a speaking circuit in the offseason and just rack. I don't need a rack in cash if you wanted to Heather says I talk too much. Well coach I can't. Thank you enough. Joining us here. I feel like the people who don't get you or probably the same people that don't get a lot of good things in life to hell with them and to hell with anybody if they don't come to the Minnesota Gophers College GameDay experience. Not late. Okay. This is news that just broke this morning. I have to ask about you guys voided a night game for the Minnesota Penn State game. Is that accurate or is that just a rumor? No, we did not void that game. No at all that said it's completely 100% inaccurate. Okay good. I the way the Big Ten work. It's both teams have to be able to agree on night games and you have to be able to match it up with television, but that is a hundred percent inaccurate University of Minnesota. Golden. Gophers. Did not turn down a night gate. Okay. Hey coach. I'm happy. You said that I'm happy. We give you a platform say that and I can't thank you enough for coming on here motivating the hell out of me this morning, and I can't wait to watch a Minnesota Gophers continue to succeed your hospitality to me, and the boys was next level and thanks for joining us coach likewise. Anytime guys wrote about Sky Mago go for. Thank you. Delete convo PJ for like okay. Hey, man. Hey, I was about to go right the man. That was amazing. I may or may not have indulge in some vitamins right before we get to those in a little bit of a different headspace and listen to him talk. I just thought about being in a locker room. Listen to him start to go and just being like okay man. Let's do it. Then. He's like a drill sergeant though. Yeah, right the drill sergeant has to be like the part whenever he's like the standard when you're the standard that's like a dress or we had a friend who went to our high school hilarious individual. He became a drill sergeant for the Marines. Yeah and Our friends got talk to him like three years after he was doing I think he's still doing it like eight years later by the way, or nine years later, maybe 10 years of that and they're like, what's the worst thing about? He's like I have to be the perfect Marine, right? So he has to be the perfect Marine. He came all gone. He can't eat he can't laugh. He can't do anything in front of these humans. He's just a complete perfect Marine in front of them and he has to be angry. That's probably what PJ Flex feels like he has to be because he is the standard he comes in with a bad mood or has a negative feeling like his players going to be like Oh, okay. That's what it's like that's like what being a Good leader is by the way is doing people who say do as I say not as I do the ones that do as I do as I do it are the better leader. Does that mean that's that's the difference right? Like beyond the X's and O's whatever like he's not the he's demanding Excellence. He's demonstrating it. Oh, you know what? I mean? So his players want to emulate it. Hey, we gotta get this morning. As I do as I do it. Yeah, it's another one glad we cleared up that night game thing to yeah, because I was a real romance. People are like, okay. This guy's asking for game day to come but is saying we can't have a night game people are really saying that in the TV World we're saying that the Gophers voided as like, I'm happy. I'm happy. 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This company is awesome. It's hilarious and it's worth your time to go check them out shyness t.com / America to get your first pair of hammock boxers for only $5. Your balls will say thank you joining us now is a man who's absolutely hilarious legendary Pittsburgh Steeler incredible on the internet. You hear him talk every once in a while all over the board. Ladies and gentlemen joining us now like Taylor, I like what up, dawg. Hey feedback. What's up, bro? Hey, I got my belt buckle my bolo and my boots on ready to kick today's ass, man. How you doing? Hey, so we'll boy you getting on today, babe. Hey listen, I'll ride that thing for 9 Seconds to hear me. Thank you. I heard you on surf and turf with Willie cologne and Stephen Chad tell a bunch of stories. It was absolutely magical to listen to I would appreciate everybody to go listen to that. I thought you were edible on there. Hey, no problem. I think every time you speak. It's awesome. What do you think of this Pittsburgh Steeler team? What do you think about the AFC? And why do you think they're only why are you think the Colts are only favored by one against the Pittsburgh Steelers this weekend probably because of Mason Rudolph and the coast they been playing pretty good offense and defense two wives. Yes, I think Andrew Luck retired pretty much everybody kind of threw him under the bus wondering what was going to go on but as you can see they got to run a game. Going and that's you know, pretty much for the most part. That's what you need in the NFL. It's like that saying friend, you know, just look at the Patriots when they need to they run. So everybody's everybody gets it what I mean by everybody even office coordinators. They just get so in all on trying to pass the ball have a good stats by the end of the day man to make the playoffs to keep your guys healthy to keep your defense off the team you got to be able to run the ball and that's what the customer doing. They've been able to run the ball and they be able to run the ball to expect Really also they playing good defense. They try to get back to the old school early 2000 midseason when when they had Masters in the rest of those guys, they're friendly so I like what I'm seeing out of the coast, but at the same time with the Pittsburgh Steelers is just it's a whole new ball game. It's a whole new chemistry Pee Mak just don't know you got Mason Rudolph Juju is slowly but surely finding out that it's harder to be Batman then Robin. Yeah, you still you still got a a young group at the running back position and Connor and Company a tight end and McDonald whatever he's healthy. He's hell you still have some of the young receivers. So the core is new the nucleus is new, but at the same time you can just tell what Mason Rudolph brings to the table. He's just a different kind of energy. Okay, so I think the culture going to win by maybe 30, but that's neither here nor there. I'm a big-time fan of them. And I think their team is going to bounce back after a bad showing. Against the Denver Broncos. Let's move forward San Francisco 49ers that defense is wanting them games. You have to absolutely love that. I saw Brian Clark type in it up friend of yours teammate of yours. I would assume as a defensive player in the NFL you absolutely love what the San Francisco 49ers have been able to accomplish. He's he's not an even a coach, but you can just tell they're playing with his personality and mess GM John Lynch. Okay, anybody understand what they've been doing how they've been drafted for the Three years. They've been drafting a lot of defensive guys how round defensive guys so when you have defensive tackles defensive ends, and you see with Nick Nick bolster is doing with the linebackers you go get phrases from the linebackers and you go get Richard Sherman and your DC plays. What's your kind of personality he coaches with your personality. You can just tell when John Lynch became a GM what exactly exactly what he wanted to do and he wanted to have a kick-ass defense and that's what a doing right now. Do you think that's enough to win it? All a good defense? Oh 100% we did it. You know we did it for about four years Richard Sherman that company when they had the legion of boom. They did it for a couple of years, but would that what that defense you have to have a running game and that's what they have like San Fran have a nice me running game. I don't know. What world coach Shanahan is there right now, but man, he's in the damn Matrix. You know just schematically calling up place. He's taking it to a whole nother level far as like running the ball and how he getting Guys open to run the ball from zones. The man's is it's a beautiful thing to watch special as a defensive player because you just sitting on the sidelines with a clock is running and also I mean they had Emmanuel Sanders who still got a lot left in the tank. I mean did you play with the manual man fish? It is picture we had Mike Wallace Emmanuel Sanders Antonio Brown Antonio Brown wasn't really even started yet. So it was Mike wildest Santonio Holmes and eating man. You were saying this after we got better Santonio Holmes. We should call them boys the Bugatti boys between Mike Wallace your money was saying this and Antonio Brown. So yeah, we had a squatter receivers and and practice that had to be a nightmare. For you got no, not really. Yeah. No, you know, we always always up for the challenge Pee Mak you just knew you had to bring your A game every time you stepped on that field with them three boys. Okay, another team that is very much from The Matrix. There's a guy named Neo who plays quarterback up there for the New England Patriots lot of talk about him leaving after this year a lot of talk of him becoming a charger possibly maybe a dolphin maybe testing free agency for the first time. Are the Patriots defeatable this year that defense is better than I've ever seen it before for New England. The defense is winning them games at this point. And you know, Tom and Josh McDaniels can get a Spore anytime they need it whenever they need it. They'll be able to get it is that Patriots team beatable? Yeah, they are. How are you? I mean Tom is Tom like you can't discredit time what he's doing. I mean basically he's playing with three receivers right now who played quarterback in college ain't nobody doing that but Tom Brady and making them look well and if you want to put in a conversation between element we're going to keep talking about the Hall of Fame of what he's been doing in the playoffs. So only time for get three receivers who played quarterback in college and make them stand out as he was in the NFL only. Out all the time, but at the same time I got to do is look at the school when they play the Buffalo Bills to the Buffalo Bills really didn't have a good office at a time. I think Joshua Allen got hurt but the defense placed out against Tom Brady and company. So if you just look at the record, I don't know. If you got your guys your stat guys that can pull it up just look at the record the wins and losses put a defense Bill going against. I don't think they other than Buffalo anybody would have winning record now, so David David, Last time okay teams in the defense. You cannot go you cannot come and Coach Belichick is in charge of that defense. So now you really see how much of a mastermind he is. But at the same time and I want to see when they get into the meat of the schedule when they play good authors with a defense going to do but I can't discredit what they're doing. They plan likes. All right now, especially Gilmore that corner back using Tom wants to leave because everybody talks about how smart Belichick is you think he wants to build his own legacy or do you think he's this is all just Fluff you think is all fake. Yeah, Matt thing is full of more time Nokia the top care what anybody said, you know, what time does care I like the reason why is because he still plays with that chip on his shoulder from being a six round draft pick. In my mind, that's my opinion. So but him caring about what other people are saying about him leaving and why he should leave and the brains of Coach Belichick by the end of the day Tom Brady still got to make that Agra pass by the end of the day Tom Brady still got to make that accurate check by the end of the day Tom Brady still got to drive his team down to the field so you can say what you want to say about better check, but you can't discredit with Tom Brady does and what he does in the clutch. Okay, what's up? We got like two minutes left and I want people to Listen to believe in Steelers podcast with Ike Taylor talking into a microphone. It's going to be incredible. I can't wait to listen to it. Every time you talk. I enjoy it. Also another guy every time he talks the world stops Baker Mayfield your thoughts on them rather quickly. He just walked out how about this has a reporter ever wrote something terrible about you and then been a foot and a half away from your face the next day and night basically egging you on to get mad. You gotta know better. See ya at the time the reporters reporters new if you go write something bad about Troy James Harrison Ryan Clark James farrior, if you wrote anything bad your ass least out the locker room. Somebody wrote something about James about Depot James Harrison. We boycotted that reporter. We wouldn't we wouldn't even look at him like nobody nobody in the locker room. Hold on though. This is the interesting thing this guy that got Baker Mayfield to walk out of the press conference yesterday has been bashing Baker for two years publicly and now he's a foot and a half away from him and everybody's like Bankers acting like a child. I'm like, you know how hard it would be not to just want to slap a guy who's been bashing you publicly for two years and then he's trying to poke the bear with you. I don't think anybody ever thinks about The Human Side. Two things because he gets paid. Well, he's living a dream. So he should be able to suppress his personal emotions from not wanting to slap somebody. I mean it's a very interesting situation and nobody thinks about man. It's a thin line right? See they want us to be they want us to be and I don't know if I'm gonna say this, right they want us to be anxious but to play this game the mentality you have to have it got to be devilish. A gun you got a not care. You got to have some prior you gotta you gotta have that. I wish your mother would ya tell me something. That's that's just your mentality, you know, this piggyback playing in the league like you got to have that chip on the show you so chip on your shoulder. So when somebody I've been poking like you've been saying somebody been poking at you for the past couple of years when I see you, it's home. You you lucky so I'm looking at it like this from Baker Mayfield standpoint, man, you lucky I love because if I were to stay and I probably would have put my hands on. Yeah, so honestly, I know me better than you. I know myself better than anybody else. So you know what let me going on leave man. Y'all gonna say what y'all want to say cuz I've been knowing this guy not finally get a foot and a half away from him, but I couldn't two-time Super Bowl champion Pittsburgh Steeler Legend like Taylor believed in Steelers podcast is available every Tuesday on all streaming services. Like I appreciate the hell out of you man. Have an incredible happy exactly. Thank you, bro. Cheers put invite. Hey, no problem. Come back soon way up. 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Hey that's on me. I should have put a little repeat on that thing. Hey, Kyle. Thank you so much for joining us man. Okay, so your team right now everybody talk going into the year. Okay. Tom Brady's back Bill Belichick's back. The Super Bowl is on Groundhog Day. It just feels like we're signing back into this but what has happened here the first half of the season Is your defense has dominated the show? I mean, it is really stolen everything and why is that if you had to guess what has changed from last year to this year you guys lose Gronk and somehow you get better the defense has been dominant in games what has happened over there what has happened? Well, I mean, I think it's a lot of different things. I think the biggest thing is the same group most of the same group from that Super Bowl on the defense has back. We didn't really we lost Trey flowers and that's about it. We get we gained more people. We gained a lot of depth. We wrote, you know, you have guys that in the secondary we have probably everyone in the secondaries a starter at places. We feel like every linebacker we have is a starter at other places and upfront everyone can start and it's really really impressive on the depth we have but then we're just playing on a string everybody's tied together. Everybody knows their role and I think that's a big thing. When every year you try to find your role on whatever team you're on but this team we already knew each other's role before the season even started. So now we're just trying to maintain and keep it keeping it going. It's stupid to watch. I it is that it's dumb to watch because you have the greatest quarterback of all time with the greatest coach of all time. And right now the people that are stealing the show is your side of the ball. It's been awesome to watch you with a little study by the way, look very uh, yeah. Hello. Yeah. I have one pulled back to because he tripped over my shoelace which is weak, but we'll get it. We'll get another one. We got a lot. We had a lot of games left. We got a lot of football and a lot of snaps left and I'm excited. You know, we're playing pretty good and everyone typing them hyping this up for once because over the years that I've been here everyone hates on the defense we suck and all this and now we're actually getting Some love, but we're like keep that same energy. You have it every year. I've been here and for us we're just excited to get on the field because we've been grinding for this for a while the the same core that they've had and I'm excited to be a part of it. I mean to go out there and you know, you're going to score a touchdown or try to score a touchdown each and every game that's our goal and it's crazy one is half. It happens and you get in the end zone. Zone it feels like whoever gets in the endzone feels like you scored. Oh, I like that. Yeah, you guys did a group photo you do the group photo. Nah, you don't need to do that. It's the most Patriots answer I've ever heard in my entire life. Yeah, we we don't we don't need to do all that. I mean other teams that's their thing, you know, we like to you know, just keep it calm and we're going to be right back. So that is incredible bill bill. That gets his 300th win third coach in history to do so you crazy bro. That is how does he at? 67? I think he's turning 68 soon. How does he still maintain the competitive level that is the competitive drive all that. I don't understand it. I'm always like seeing bro your service that you're like you see he still has the same energy. Like he's dirty man. Like I don't I didn't know him when he was 30. Obviously. He definitely acts like it here. His energy each and every day is so consistent. Like it's never too high. It's never too low. It's always right here and I respect that because you know what the standard is each and every day, you know what Bill you're getting getting each and every day and that standards high as shit, but you gotta you gotta you gotta jump for it Colin just got to FCC fines for know that word. Yeah, Kyle. Believable going to get a kick off the are you heard Bill Cosby would be like what whenever we get to see do your job in those inside looks at it the next level think it is it the most in-depth football knowledge. You've ever been around. Yeah. That's so good. You brought that up. Yes. I mean the level of IQ. Let me give you a quick example. We're I won't tell you what team were playing, but it was before the Playoffs a year ago and he brought like Five Guys in the room before the game even started and he pick something up on film and he pulls the plays up in the big screen. He's like, look, here's a key if if he does this with his hand and his foot You know what? It's a run if he does this with, you know, whose finger motion, you know, it's a pass and you're like what and then you get on the field and you're like, yo, he's right, you know, and those type of things like he's on his IQ level is out of this world and to be in a meeting and then to like go back and forth with them you I you You're my God kind of smart to his knowledge of the game and just learning from him each and every day is incredible. I mean, he's taking stuff that he's learned from every place. And you know, we we were doing stuff that the Giants were doing a couple of games ago back back when he coached the Giants in it. You're just like you watch some like LT and some of those linebackers in your life man. I'm trying to be like them and then when you're able to do some of the things skiing wise they're doing it is sick. So we just got to keep that going what an incredible advantage to have just a mastermind in there. I mean granted you through the people that hate the Patriots very, well. He cheated to do this until you have like it sounds like you just outsmarted everybody. Yeah, that's it. Sounds like it is I think anybody who's ever been in the locker room and has ever played at a competitive level at higher levels. Like, you know, that's just outsmarting humans. Wood. Well, here's another example because you're for the brand as you always say that we're talking Kyle. Yeah, how about that that part in this play with the penalties. Did you repeat that last with the clock? Ah, there you go. That's his that's the elite bro. Why other people are like boot like well, what is he doing? He's over there on the sideline smirking, by the way, is that normal? Okay, because we only see from the outside only see him. I'm on Sundays. And then we see these press conferences which are legendary the greatest press conferences in history smiling when he gave us mark. It was breaking news there like Bill Belichick is enjoying life. Yeah, is that ladies like behind closed doors? What is he like behind closed doors? Yeah. I mean, he's definitely laughing a lot more and joking but you know, he gives you a little bull if you're definitely going to get cussed out, but that's okay because you know, if you make some good plays and you know, how to crack a joke. You'll get a smile from so he keeps it light and you know, it's fun because you know you when people ask you about them, you're like you people have no idea who this man is and it's pretty funny. No clue as it is a really good dry sense of humor, too. I mean, it's actually funnier than you think then a Terry told me that I would think he's a funny guy. That's what vanity of interest that would think. He's a funny guy. I'm like, oh, yeah. I bet you if you did a pull of the guys in the In the locker room right now in New England, they would say he's definitely is funnier than you think. I couldn't even fathom it. Just being the best coach of all time being hilarious in trolling people on a very like it's roles people. Oh, yeah, he chose people real good too. Yeah, the Press. I mean those press conferences are like musty television at this point. It's the best internet around whenever he let somebody know that he is not got time for that dumb question. And most of the reporters are tripping in there. Like is he going to say something like if he gonna get Is your handwriting like raise your hand for a question? You're like, oh my God. Oh my God. Oh my God. Oh my God. It's like you're that kid in school, you know afraid to ask the teacher a question exactly. That's awesome. Do you have something? So what's a message when you're up 20 for nothing and he's got the the defense held on the sidelines. What is that? Yeah, it is. There's a lot of messages. It's more like if you let him come back y'all are going to run more on Monday. I can respect that. Yeah, we're doing okay, but just know what Monday's, you know just re talking about what the goals were before. Game and to keep holding a man don't give them an inch because you don't want to give them life that they're still in the game. You just want he always wants to he's very very detailed. So you you always want you to put your foot on the gas never let up. You never get comfortable and never get satisfied and I think those are what those talks are for more not necessarily always scheme when sometimes they are but it's more you know, Go get everybody focused on the task at hand. It's still early and we still gotta go. Okay, so they talk about how the Patriots you guys. Sorry for doing that but how you guys shift your game plan week-to-week how we each it is a brand-new season. What does that mean? Like you guys are just have the capability to shift from a Tampa to team two or three four to a 4-3 team. You have the ability to do all that. Yeah, and you know, everyone talks about having Stars, you know, Are you a bunch of stacks or a bunch of tackles? And you know, we pride ourselves on being able to adjust better and better than anyone else in the business and if you watch I mean, I don't mean to bring it up, but prime example is the Super Bowl when we switch basically our whole defense in the game and we went more strictly took a cover for and people, you know, there are confused. That's Why they never understood the entire game, you know, we thought they would adjust a little bit they never did but we changed our defense 28:3 happens when that happens exactly. And so we're able to do that and the high-level elite football players that we have. I believe we have some of the highest IQ players and when you're able to get a group that You can put them in this coverage this week and then I can throw out an entire different coverage a different front a different scheme each and every week. You can't have a team that can pinpoint. Oh, they're going to run this, you know, they're going to run a 4-3 and that's it. You know, that's the system. You never know what you're going to get and I think it's impressive. Okay, so I've been in that locker room halftime, right and I've heard some defensive coordinators be like we're getting beat by this. We're getting beat by this but The halftime of the Super Bowl Matt Patricia and was my Patricia there. Yeah mapping. No be flow beef. Okay. Sorry be flow that's on me be flow. I would like to let mr. Be flown O Brien Flores that that is on me. Hi, I'm going to call him beef Live Forever by the way, coach be flow gotten the refs ass last night. I'll I know I would like I've been there before. Okay. So yeah, I got ya. Yeah, you're right. So beyond so be flow and Belichick come in in that meat. Come in at halftime locker room and they go. Listen. This is what we're doing and everybody just has to like kind of have that attention where they're like, all right, we were doing this now. We're going strictly to a cover for and there's no like Panic there's no nothing. There's like this is what we can do because I've been in locker rooms where the defense Corners yelling at somebody and you want something to have the complete opposite effect where it's like Hey listen didn't work out. Well, there were down twenty five we're going to do some things were going strictly to a cover for and everybody in the locker room was like, yep. Let's do it. That's a me. It isn't. Necessary work like that because we practice everything. So it's more like we're able to mix it up and then see what works and we're able to stick with that goddamn know we have our identity now. I'm not going to I'm not going to tell people because we got to let people figure it he figured out, but if you ever do want to just tell everybody what your identity is, no, please come back and just just let it all out, baby. Years there. Yeah, perfect. Perfect. Perfect. But like I was saying just to being able to always adjust and you know, like you're saying if we need to run cover for we can run cover for but then if we need to throw in a cover 0 we're able to throw a cover 0 and then let's come back with the cover to and people are like and then you do put the disguise of two safeties that have been NFL for a decade. I mean facts are back there like okay and don't discover to is a car You Know cover 0 like what we doing say hi. Okay, there's two safeties back there and three people rush in you know, you know, I mean, so that's the same ghost. That's exactly really good. That's exactly what he meant by seeing ghosts. That's exactly what he meant. I believe you said that I do I do think it's messed up that they say yes that he said that because I will bad I'd probably be pissed. If someone did that to me steel is often said nobody could be mic'd up last night. They said no, we're not doing it because I'm Michael Rood. Yeah miked up is a real problem on the sidelines for people that don't know if you're miked up and you walk up to somebody you don't tell them that you're miked up your terrible person. It is not something that yeah, you're a bad person for sure. You might get jumped. But the fact that they let that out was insane to me. I mean they buried him they Jacksonville Jaguars mascot were a ghost costume the entire this last weekend. He's going to have that forever. Well, I saw one of the corners there. I hope you seeing ghosts because I need some pics. Hey Kyle, that's a compliment to your defense though. I can't thank you enough for coming. I think you're even going to be able to make the Patriots likable to some people that are listening that hate the Patriots. It's just I know like yourself. So I appreciate it, bro. I'm for the brand. If I was a part IV for the brand to I'd like this one's going these ladies and gentlemen to time two-time Super Bowl champ All-American. Kyle Van Noy, thank you. Hey, you were awesome man. You were absolutely awesome. Thank you. Ppreciate it. Same to you man. Good luck. Appreciate. It doesn't need it now to happen and it did. You hear that they're never going to lose. Thanks for rocking with us this week Zito's awake Foxy's editing. Ties back there just eager to put this entire show together here. It is 12:50 a.m. Central Time 150 Eastern Standard Time. And this beautiful Friday November 1st. Nick Morado is sprawled out on a couch living his best life. And every single week whatever we're wrapping things up. 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On today’s show, Pat and the guys record pieces of the episode on the plane on their way back from Waco, Texas. The show is highlighted by three incredible interviews from this past week. First, Minnesota Head Football Coach PJ Fleck joins the program to talk about his undefeated Golden Gophers team, his relationship with holder Casey O’Brien and how his story has inspired him and the rest of the team. Coach Fleck also addresses the people who think his coaching style is phony or fake, all while giving one of the most incredible inspirational speeches you will ever hear and will have you eager to run through a brick wall. He also clears up the rumors that Minnesota didn’t agree to play a night game in next week’s tilt against Penn State, and talks about what it means to be ELITE in the Minnesota Gophers program (3:22-19:19). Next, 2x Super Bowl Champion and former Pittsburgh Steelers legend, Ike Taylor joins the show. Ike and Pat chat about everything currently going on in the NFL, who Ike likes moving forward as we get closer to the playoffs, why he doesn’t think Tom Brady is going anywhere this offseason, the mentality it takes to be a great football player, and why that sometimes doesn’t mesh with other people’s expectations, and what he makes of the Baker Mayfield/beat writer drama and whether or not he or his teammates had any situations like that while he was in Pittsburgh (22:29-33:34). Lastly, 2x Super Bowl Champion, and current linebacker for the New England Patriots, Kyle Van Noy joins the show for an incredible interview. He and Pat discuss what it’s like playing for the Patriots, how many people will never understand Bill Belichick’s sense of humor, the controversy surrounding Sam Darnold saying he was seeing ghosts against the Patriots, what makes their defense so special, and what Bill Belichick’s message is when they huddle together on the sidelines during games (35:23-51:45). It’s a fun one. Come and laugh with us, cheers.

For the Love of teaching is a podcast brought to you by teach starter. We say teachers hours each week by bringing them quality downloadable teaching resources for their classrooms to make your classroom. Buzz got to teach stutter.com Need a little motivation on a Monday. Hi, I'm Jill and I'm Ron and we're experienced Primary School teachers. We get it join us for inspiration and encouragement to get you buzzing through the school week. This is the buzz. Hi everyone. Welcome to this week's episode of The Buzz. I'm here with Brawn. Hello guys. How's it going? Hope you have a great week. Yes. So it is it's just finished school holidays here in Australia. You're going back into turn three. Yeah. How did you used to feel? How are you feeling about a know I used to actually to be honest. I always got to the point in any No matter how long they were that I was just ready to go back. I think mentally I gave my kids. Is that why? Yeah, well, that's what she when you kids are toddlers like it kind of feels like a step up to go back to students that are actually kind of independent and toilet-trained. So everyone happy. Yeah. No and I do miss my little my own little darling Jabs when I go back to you to work, but That's that's I mean all the fun has to come to an end. You know, when you're heading into holidays. We're teachers are so lucky and I was so appreciative of getting the amount of holidays. I did get in having that time to spend with my family. So I didn't ever actually I don't think I ever suffered the post holiday Blues. What about you? I don't think so. I mean, I I'm like to be organized so my holidays I would try and give myself some time, but I would also be quite excited. All Keen to start getting things together organizing it's doing a bit of planning, but that was my own choice. I didn't ever feel the pressure to do it. Well, actually with that being said if you didn't do it though, you'd kind of be on the back foot. So yeah, maybe there is a little bit. I don't know which way you look at it, but I would be quite Keen to get back if I was organized ready to go. Generally I'd plan the first couple of weeks after that first couple of weeks. They when you're planning runs out your own no, no, Yes, I kind of had a delay you had a delayed response to it couple of weeks in when you let go the planning's all done. You know, I will 300 I've got to do it all but yeah II would be quite Keen to go back particularly. I think after the Christmas holidays. Yeah, and you sort of have with getting things set up. I just been really Keen to get into my classroom. Yeah, that's always fun. Get it set up our face, but then you'd have like, you know the student free days. Fulfilled with PD is very like they go. So you have an hour in your classroom from you know, one tool to oh, sorry the last PD ran half an hour over and we're going to have to start the next 150. You got 15 minutes and your classroom just be like, yeah you just going to get in there at that point like Haiti is you know, it has its place very important, but it can be super dry at the beginning of the school year when your mind is just on decorating your classroom theme padding and getting sort of things ready or sort of Connecting with your team to yeah, if there's new people yeah, I'm the team and researching a students and finding out connecting with other teachers about who you're getting. Yeah. Yeah, just finding out what's going on. Yeah. I do know some people though can get a bit of the post holiday Blues where it can be maybe if they feel like they didn't have enough time to do the things they wanted to do or if they didn't get to have a break because they maybe were working a lot over the holidays and we get a lot of that feedback. We do not teach other where people saying You know, it's the holidays and I'm working all the time. So I suppose it could potentially be if you're not getting that break for yourself. Yep. Yeah, when you go back it can feel like you haven't had a rest. Yes yet exactly or you know, sometimes teachers get the I just got through flu and they spend the first couple of weeks of the big holidays sick that happens all the time. Yeah. So then it feels like a waste as well or if you if it's a short holiday like sometimes the Easter break. Only ten days long and you spent the whole time getting a call. So it's getting your kids teeth checked getting haircuts all that boring stuff. You feel like you haven't even had a holiday. So we get it that it can feel like a massive burden that first week just getting yourself back into the head space to be back in your classroom. And I think this middle of the Year holidays can be quite confronting because you think I've just gotten through half the year and I've got that to do again before I get to the end of the year. So yes, you've cleared the first letter. Set of report cards and you are heading into a new kind of fresh slate because sometimes we even change subjects will change has subjects me. I threw the we did that in history and first semester geography in the second semester. So yes, it was different. Yeah for me though. Tim through was my favorite. Oh is that why is that because you know report cards you knew the class you knew your students so you could kind of just get into thing. Yeah, and you could you'd set up the Asians they knew what to expect from you you knew what to expect from them. I just thought Tim 3 was like just let's go. Yeah, I'm convinced you had me at no report card. Yeah need no more explanations. Thought it was the it was a quite a productive term. Mmm. I think so too and it's at my school. We had a lot of events in term 3 like we had our big fate there was so much going on. That was fun. Yeah broke the term up so I found that really enjoyable as well. Yes, so that maybe that's a tip like focus on the amazing things that are happening within your school. Look forward to things plan events with your kids make a calendar have something to look forward to each week. That's school-based. That is enjoyable. Yeah. Well, maybe even you could like run a little inquiry task or something in your class that they work on on Friday afternoons or something. So then you cause you know them, you know, they're their capabilities they know what to expect from you so you can do things that are a bit more. Yeah, you know, they take control. Yeah. Too impulsive way of looking at it. Your kids are a lot more established in their routine. So why not take it, you know a step further and see how far you can push it? Yeah. We got all too fast. Yes. No that would take salt and pepper. So, can you please sing it? Okay, and some other tips that we've got for you all straight from a Blog from our lovely content creator Ali tricking your brain into the holiday field. By doing some of those things that you would love to do on holidays into the term like just reading a book just purely chosen for pleasure and find time just read a novel. What's another thing that we do in holiday is that you could do during the term just to make yourself feel like holiday mode. What do you know? I find in the holidays. I used to like exercise more or go out for a walk or something cuz I felt that I had the time and it was always so nice had sort of come back and me, you know feel bit more energetic. Yes. So it could be trying to fit that in. Yeah, that's during the term and we used to out mice one of my school's we get together once a week and go for a walk after school like a couple of the teachers. Yeah, and so we take our stuff with us go for a walk after school and you just sort of felt a little bit more energized and I found you know what I ate healthier when I got home. Oh really because you had all that hard work. You don't want to mess it up. But also you kind of felt like eating healthy as opposed to getting home and having like a big bowl of like Sighing yeah copy pasta is Delicious By the way, but I mean, you know, I would I would want something lighter as you kind of that can be expected. Yeah, I like that. What about creating a little photo album of your holiday snaps just to bring back some of those amazing feelings. I don't know if that would work for me. I think I just get kind of jealous that I was wishing. I was back there, but I know there's lots of these great websites like Snapfish and stuff. Yeah load your images to and make a digital. Yeah, I'm not sure. I live in exciting enough life. Like if I think about my holiday send me pictures of food. Yeah some like trashy TV your beautiful boy. Oh, yes, but this was generally before Oh when we get back when we were teaching. We'll talk when I had time. Yeah, that's true. Actually, I didn't really probably have that much to do you can even do a digital album. Like you could do it Facebook album up just so you can even lock it to private so you can just reflect on it. Yes. When you're feeling really dance with the days because you don't want to get those it's really really annoying when you get Facebook memories and you're not on holidays at this year and the next year like that the terms are a week out. Yeah, and you're getting all these memories. I was on a cruise this time last year and I'm thinking oh, it's the last week of school. We've got swimming we've got, you know cleaning. I've got so much to do before I can get I love the last week of school to do you maybe I was a bit mmmm bit strange. I loved it. I just think he's got a really positive mindset, but there was a fun time you could like let go be could loosen. Of a bit, you know, yeah. Well, once you report reporting periods close. Yeah, there's nothing more you can do and how much the kids love scrubbing tote trays. Yeah for some rest. That's the funnest thing for some reason. I found so many things for them to clean. Yes would be like, oh you want to Yap all the books out and wipe down the shelves they be like, yes, please if you get one less thing for me to do. Yeah and also his it was um, it's summer in Queensland in December is quite brutal. My little preps and grade ones would love going outside. They'd always come in drenched. Yeah, but they would call them down. Yeah, and they have cleaned all the debts. Yes. I love it very much. Yeah. Yeah, so just um, yeah do some things that will make you remind yourself of the holidays, but also think about what you can do during the week to make yourself happy look after yourself like you were saying Fitness. Yeah of them all being. Yeah. No, I think you know and as I like what you're saying that's find the positives in the term. Mmm. Yep, definitely. So maybe we could make like a little list a little online. Little online lie. So I mean he's awfully I do. Oh gosh, you know, I didn't open that diary in heaven. I've seen in there. I've got my list I've seen in there and it is it's into it. There's a lot of less but I like it was I'm not saying I don't know. I'm just saying I haven't moved into the digital space with my list making me neither. I like keeping everything on paper because I get a satisfaction. Yes. Yeah Crossing off. It's the best. You know, what I've kind of put really ridiculous things on my list just across them off. Oh, yeah, I like But even if I'm doing one for home, it's like put washing on take washing out hang washing up bring washing in fold washing five things to cross off, but it's just washing. I love doing that because then I can show my husband. Look at everything I did today. Look how much I did 20 Co busy and some of them are really obscure like clean to the crumbs out of the toaster. I really really Punchy Layla wash hair probably would have done that anyway, but it's on there and I'm gonna Machole is shower. Important to keep a list. Okay. So yeah definitely joining we're going to make a loop, but we can now join into a conversation on Instagram this time. I'm going to put a picture up a holiday-themed picture. Hey, and you guys are going to tell me what's your best way to beat the whole post holiday Blues? Yep. Good idea. Let's do it. Enjoy your week, and I hope you have a great first week back at school. Yeah. Be fun, and the kids will be so Keen to see you. Imagine those imagine on Sunday night. I hope everybody's just, you know, imagining their beautiful little faces and all the stories. You're going to hear. Yeah, and you get to stand there with a big smile on your face listening to all of this and then and then and then and then I need to do a school holiday recounts I hang on. Yeah really good ideas. Let us save it and do a recount writing piece. So you spare yourself the stories. All right. Have a great week guys. Bye. Thanks for joining us for another episode of The Buzz bite each data. We look forward to bringing you. Next week's dose of teacher inspo until then. Just remember you've got this.

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So have you heard about anchor? Well, if you haven't I'm going to tell you a little bit about it. It's the easiest way to make a podcast. I can tell you from personal experience. But let me explain one. It's free to there's creation tools allow you to record and edit your podcast right from your phone or your computer anchor will distribute your podcast for you. So it can be heard on Spotify Apple podcasts andMore places you can make money from your podcast with absolutely no minimum listenership. It's really everything that you need to make a podcast and one simple Place download the free anchor app or go to Anchor dot f m-- to get started. Hey everyone, and welcome back to day three of the 2019 hormone Summit. I am Christine Garvin and wow what a week. It's been so far. Right. I've just been blown away with being credible information that we got from our guests. Like I just it it's been so great for me. So I hope that the same has been true for you, but I'm particularly excited about today's guests because of the personal impact that she's had. In my life over the last few months. So her name is Nicole Jordan and she's also known as the period girl and we'll get into why here in just a second, but I came across Nicole's work probably about two years ago for the first time and I started following her and that was really when I first started to understand crazily aged, you know, 3738 about the impact of hormones just on my life as things started to shift and change and of course, you know, So most of you know that I went through a pretty traumatic experience last year with getting a fibroid removed and then having multiple surgeries after that. And so really my big thing was after that. I was like, I need to bounce my hormones. I need to figure this out and it was very serendipitous timing because Nicole actually announced her apprenticeship right when I was desperately looking for something to help and the crazy thing was she was like, I'm at I'm not actually sure I'm gonna be able to do it this year because she was And this book writing process that actually will be coming out next year and I'm so excited about it. But she yeah didn't know she's going to do it and I was like, oh my God, you have to do it you have to do it and thank God just an email that she was doing it and I was like whoo, and so I just have to tell you that it was such an incredible experience to do this apprenticeship with her because she's so knowledgeable. She's so down-to-earth and so hard-working it kind of blows my mind and she's helped. To literally hundreds of thousands of women around the world with her work. So she has a couple of programs called fix your period and that's why she's known as a period girl because she can really help you get out of the struggle that you've been having with your period and your hormones and she also co-host an incredible podcast is actually my favorite Foreman podcast called the period party and every time they have, you know a guest on there. I'm just blown away with the information so Before I can I could go on and on forever about her. But today we're actually going to tackle something that I really wanted to talk to her about because so many women deal with this at least once in their life. It's literally not every month and she's going to dispel a lot of myths and give us some really good information about it. And that is the dreaded PMS. So thank you Nicole so much for being here. Oh my gosh Chrissy. I'm just cracking up. Because I feel like I need to call you every morning so you can say what you just said. About it boosting a girl's you go. Thank you. Thank you for that all true. Oh my god. Seriously, thank you for that wonderful introduction. I'm just like beaming over here. Seriously. Thank you. I so appreciate you saying all those nice things. Oh my gosh PMS. Yeah. I know right? Everybody's like, oh great team. That's but literally everybody's like just thinks that this is a normal thing for us to have right, but it's just part of being a woman. So, can you Start just at the beginning like, you know, a lot of people don't even quite understand like what PMS is and you know how it comes to be. So can you tell us about that? Yes, I you know, I want to preface it by saying that this is, you know considered a syndrome. So it's premenstrual syndrome and then there's premenstrual tension or pnt. So it's another that's other terminology for it and it refers to a collection of physical and psychological. Go symptoms that arise in a cyclical pattern right or on a cyclical in like cyclical nature and they can they coincide with the second half of your menstrual cycle. And so that's known as the luteal phase. And so these symptoms are usually anywhere, like people would experience them anywhere from like to to maybe 10 days before their period begins and in most cases they resolved when . Actually starts and so a lot of women will say that to me they'll say that they have all of these raging symptoms, you know, it's just like saying things they shouldn't say and eating tubs of ice cream, you know, like your partner never knows whether angry you or happy. He was going to walk in the door all those things and when their period comes they're just like oh my god, really? So yeah, that's you know, that's really what PMS is from, you know from a non medical perspective. I see. You could say and I think that it's really important for us to understand too that PMS or PMS symptoms affect approximately half of all women worldwide. That's what the literature says. And in a number of studies they talk about the fact that roughly ninety one percent of women have experienced at least one PMs and to me each month as like that sounds a little bit more debt on a 91 percent right 91% I know I think like what is really interesting about premenstrual syndrome and I'm going to get into pmdd which is premenstrual dysphoric disorder. I'll talk about that. But I think what's really interesting is that we you know, first of all culturally like you said right this women don't even think that this is a real thing. They just think that this is just sort of their hormones acting crazy and it's causing them to have these problems. But ultimately when you think about it, you know, it has been characterized as a syndrome. It's very Go to diagnose right because there are so many different symptoms associated with it and they can be very erratic and someone's you might feel okay, and then others you might not feel okay at all. So it's you know again in from a medical perspective. It's difficult to diagnose. And so when I think about you know PMs and whether it's considered a legitimate condition or not, of course it is right your symptoms are legitimate, but is it do we collectively have You know have bodies that were designed to experience these symptoms and how in the eye and the extent of the symptoms every single month. I'm not so sure. Okay. I really think that PMS is on a spectrum and so it depends very much on what's happening in your life and with your diet and all of these different factors that play into all aspects of your health. Why wouldn't they play into something like this as well? Right? So that's you know, that's a big part of this I think. You think that women used to experience PMS as bad, you know, 20 40 60 years ago. I mean, I know it's hard to say because there's not a lot of literature out there. But yeah, no, I think that's such a great question. I've really I've thought about that long and hard and I have no doubt that women experience these symptoms. I guess my point is is that I I like to think of PMS as premenstrual changes and you know, there's there's Is a great website it's called menstrual matters and the researcher who runs it she writes extensively about this stuff. And so she's talked about these premenstrual changes and I really like this idea. I like the idea of describing it as that rather than you know, so many of us have this syndrome and of course all of the negative societal connotations that come with that and so how you know, it's more along the lines of like looking at this as a spectrum like I was saying and what are the changes that are happening? Every single month and how it how extreme are they like how extreme are your moods or how extreme is your bloating or your breast tenderness or breast pain? So how can you measure those based on the symptoms that you've had in previous month's and the best way to do that, of course is take, you know, taking charge of your health tracking your cycle really understanding what's happening on a cyclical basis for you individually because yeah, you could go to a doctor and they they may diagnose you potentially based on the guidelines that are current like currently out there or you could just say that you know, these symptoms may be reflective of what's going on with my overall health. It's just like, you know what we've talked about so much right that this idea that your period is your fifth Vital sign and it's a it's a definite. It's like a barometer of what's happening with your health. It's the same for PMS PMS symptoms are coupled with that. And so I feel like that's It's really something that we as if we're as PMS sufferers need to start to reflect on and take action around right and our society as we know, you know, this connects us so much from our body and particularly our period and PMs and puts it in this box. And so I love that you brought that up about the fifth bottle Vital sign because I don't think that a lot of women think of it that way or maybe you know, they're just starting to understand that a little bit now and how yeah that Either, you know and we have we have a lot of abilities to shift and change things as we make changes in our lives. So can you speak to it kind of from a medical perspective of you know, I feel like I understand it more deeply in my body now since I'm getting near or in perimenopause, it's hard to say, you know, but I feel that drop off of progesterone, right and it's crazy because in tracking my cycle like I feel it now. Where you know you're supposed to have your highest progesterone, I'm great and then literally the next day I'm like it goes down, you know, like I can feel it in my body. And so, you know, even if you're 21 or something like what is happening in terms of your hormones when you start experiencing PMS? Yeah, you know, I did want to I'll get into that in just a second. I did just want to mention premenstrual dysphoric disorder because oh yes, yeah - as well and so for anyone who doesn't really know. Know what that is. It's you know, they call it pmdd for short and I you know, I not jokingly but you know, I you got to add a little bit of fun to this because these are stairs conditions and there are and there really hard for a lot of women every single month. So, you know I joke is that PMS is bigger better sister and it really is that right? So it's considered a severe mood disorder. It's characterized by pretty significant emotional and physical symptoms that occur, you know in the one to two weeks before your period And I was Chatting a doctor Laura bride and the other day and we were talking about PMS versus pmdd. And she was just saying that you know with pmdd, you know, it's really it's what it might it usually starts like at the beginning right. So right after ovulation happened and until the end of your luteal phase we that's where no pmdd shows up typically. Yeah and that it's like you said right that estrogen drop off right after you ovulate and progesterone hasn't quite kicked in yet. Let me that's part of it for sure. And so like I said pmdd is just a more severe form of PMs. And you know, it's not really just a matter of you know, feeling a little bitchy every month. It really is much more comparable to debilitating actually and sometimes even traumatic symptoms that really impact a person's relationships their careers their their life their mental well-being and like I was saying, these symptoms really can range in severity because they are you know, highly influenced by so many external factors like we were saying right like nutritional deficiencies genetic factors, even our gut health our blood sugar that any kind of excess psychological stress past what your threat stress threshold is, you know, there's and then of course that that those all create hormonal upheaval in our bodies and so that's where We run into these problems. So it really almost requires us to look on a deeper level deeper and deeper to figure out what it is in our life or our lives that is that are triggering, you know, these hormonal imbalances or this hormonal Cascade to happen. So, yes. So anyways, that's pmdd. And I totally don't remember the question. You asked me. That's right. Now, I'm really glad you went into pmdd because this is something that people just started hearing about You don't understand. So thank you for that explanation that because I think that will help that a lot of women out. I was curious just from the you know from the hormonal medical perspective. Yeah, what happens, you know, yeah post ovulation and yeah what your hormones are going through at that point. Yes, right? Okay. Yes good question. And um, I felt I was like, I know it's something to do with hormones on writing a book will do to you. Oh my God, I so I'm like my ability to remember her songs from the 90s is still very much on point. But remember what you just asked me 10 minutes ago, and I have no recollection. I can like sing New Kids on the Block songs from when I was in sixth grade like haven't heard them in years and I'm like, yeah, I got it and I'm exterior SLI. What did I do yesterday? I can't even remember. Yes. It's I guess we should be glad the long-term memory is not shot, right? Yeah. I know. Yes. I feel I feel comfort in bed, I guess. Oh my gosh. Yes coming back to hormones and what's happening with PMS and just generally speaking, you know, I think that it's so great for us to understand that there are you know, our hormones are cyclical. We have a cycle. That's what a menstrual cycle is. And this menstrual cycle is driven by this exclusivity of these these hormone this hormone production. And usually when I'm talking about that we're talking about estrogen estrogen or estrogen dial which is the more prominent. Or moan when we're still cycling or prominent estrogen that is we have progesterone. We have testosterone that plays a role to anti-mullerian hormone plays a role in our cycle FSH or follicle-stimulating hormone, luteinizing hormone or LH all of these hormones come together kind of a juggling act they figure out how to make this whole ovulation thing happen and then for you to get your period every month and so when it comes to something like PMS or even pmdd? You know, there's so many factors that influence it like I said, and so when we're thinking about what's happening with our hormones, we have a real build up in the first half of our cycle, right? So your your body is basically preparing a follicle that contains an egg that is going to be released in this amazing thing called ovulation. It's kind of like a volcano and you know, like we're it's just building and building and what I have found is that you know in that first half The cycle life is great. Please have pretty good for the most part not everyone feels right? Yeah. Oh, yeah. See I just ovulating so I'm not like at that right over the hump and thank God. I know I was like, oh, yes, I still you know, I've got my Good Vibes going for this interview. Like don't try it. Ladies don't do an interview the day before your period that is out of all of this. But you know, what's happening is you've had this huge buildup. I see you've had estrogen building you've had testosterone building. You have had FSH and LH were also playing a role in all of this but those to estrogen testosterone. Those are really going to you know, make your they're going to help your mood. So they really do support your mood. In fact, estrogen is very much interconnected with serotonin production. So there's definitely moved things happening and also estrogen helps with blood sugar which is you know, something I want to talk about and so When we cross the prep the yeah, we hit the crescendo. I suppose you could say and then cross over and we move into progesterone territory. This is where a lot of us tend to run into problems. And so I think the first thing is that blood sugar thing that I mentioned so estrogen helps with insulin sensitivity in the first half of your cycle progesterone doesn't necessarily have a negative effect on it. But what I have found And is that when we're eating high sugar foods in that second half of our cycle progesterone has a blood sugar lowering capacity. And so it'll lower those high levels of blood sugar too much. And so you have a bigger crash. So it's you know, I like in a joke. Sometimes again, I have jokes because I feel like you know, this is serious. We gotta all like jokes are good. They are good. But like I do kind of like and PMs to being hungry and that, you know, they're a lot of symptoms that are overlapping and so if we take a look at our what's going on with our blood sugar, we might find a lot of answers in there. So that's you know, that's one thing that I found across the board seems to be happening is that we rise in progesterone causes these blood sugar dips to be more significant causing an increase in these kinds of symptoms. And then the second thing is like I said before estrogen is tied to serotonin, right so when Esther And drops off after ovulation and it's a pretty precipitous drop just so everyone knows it'll rise it again in the second, you know half of your cycle. It actually rises in a sort of a last-ditch effort to help your body prepare in case you fertilize an egg. But yeah, these mood low mood boosting on your transmitters or tone in dopamine norepinephrine these kind of go down with estrogen as well. Right and that will aggravate the problem that a lot of women experience and what you know these PMS like or even pmdd symptoms and even if you're what I've noticed two as well again, I don't know that there's research on this. I've done a lot of research and I can't seem to necessarily find this but what I find is that if your estrogen dominant meaning that you're in a state of estrogen excess over your progesterone levels because these are sister hormones, right? They got to play nice in the sandbox. So when they're yeah, so when estrogen tends to be higher In relation to Progesterone that dip or that estrogen crash seems to be more enhanced. So yeah like that. So that's something I've seen a lot of it was definitely my own experience. And once I started to get estrogen under control that seemed to really help matters and I've seen that with plenty of my clients over the years as well. And again that might not just be the estrogen dominant state, right? It might be what's going on with inflammation. What's going on with your Sugar all of it is tied in together. I was just like, you know, it's women say what's one tip you can give me to fix my period. I'm well liver and your gut health and your blood sugar and what's going on here thyroid and tell the talk to me about your diet and your stress, you know, you know that right? Oh my God. I know it's just like we're we get it. Where do we even begin? But it's you know, so these are I think that these are important things for people to remember that this you know this Drop in estrogen may be problematic and then of course in many cases to we might be in a low progesterone state right we might be progesterone deficient and progesterone is the Keep Calm and Carry On hormone. Right? Like it is just gonna it's going to chill you out in that second half of your cycle. If you have sufficient levels of it and many cases we don't and in some cases women are progesterone or progesterone. What's the word I'm looking for. Resistant that's it, like insulin resistance. You may have progesterone resistance that is a very common trait and women who have endometriosis and again there there's a lot of a lot of women who have endometriosis also have estrogen dominance and then this progesterone resistance. So I'm very curious about progesterone resistance when it comes to pmdd and PMs again, like there's just needs to be more research done in this kind of thing. But yeah, so it we may not feel the full positive effects. Right of progesterone in that second half for a cycle. So I find that these are kinds of the kind. These are the kinds of things that are happening in this second half to cause these symptoms that we might experience that's amazing that I definitely learned some things in there. That's really interesting about the estrogen dominance situation because you know, obviously most women going into perimenopause have that coming up but estrogen dominance has also taken over. For younger women to in a lot of cases right for a million of reasons, but you know, including Le xenoestrogens and everything that's in our environment and and our stress and all those kinds of things. And so that that drop off if you do have estrogen dominance and then that like drop off of estrogen like impacting you more makes a lot of sense to me, you know, like it's so it's all like intertwined in such a crazy way. But so can you tell me a little bit more about this progesterone resistant you said progesterone resistance? Of this before and I'm so I'm really curious about that and it's really interesting because again, like there isn't a whole lot of research and you know, I'm just basing it on the things that I've learned especially with researching the book and especially as it relates to estrogen or sorry and of endometriosis. And so this progesterone resistance like I you know, when you think about insulin resistance, right because that's an example A lot of people know about really what that means is that that your cells are no longer responding to insulin right in the way that they're supposed to meaning that they're supposed to take blood sugar into the cells and it's supposed to then be sent to your brain because brain thrives on glucose their number one. It's the brains number one food. And so I kind of liken progesterone resistance so that in a way where we're no longer responding like our cells the receptor on the cell is not responding to Progesterone. Whatever reason and my understanding of it is that it's very much linked to an inflammatory response. So inflammation happening in the body and when you think about PMS and pmdd, you know, they're they're technically characterized as well pmdd for sure is characterized as a brain disorder. And you know, this is something that I was writing about in my book and I feel like I still need to fine-tune it a little bit because I'm really trying to understand because there isn't a whole lot of science around this but this idea that At for depression for instance and a number of other men, you know mental disorders are linked back to inflammation in the body, right? So brain inflammation gut inflammation and between the gut brain axis, you know, they're both communicating bi-directionally all the time. And you know, I'm just fascinated by this idea that if we are inflamed then you know, we may experience PMS symptoms and it may very well be connected to pmdd. I Super preliminary research about the vagus nerve which is the nerve that runs from your brain stem all the way through your body, but it connects your gut in particular there being some sort of vagus nerve dysfunction in women who have PMS and pmdd, which I thought was fascinating and so, you know, it really does come back to your gut in so many instances. And so again, I think progesterone resistance just ties into all of that. Although again. I think that we just need more more of the research On it. I know a woman who has it's called cyclical vomiting syndrome and some inputs. It's related to hormones be well to the extent that they put her on a for monel. I don't know if it's Depo. It's a shot. You know that she has to get and it's the only thing that keeps her from like vomiting it just crazy all the time. Right and she's been on it. I mean she's yeah in her thirties now, I think she was like 19. And she you know first figured it out, but I recently read a thing about the vagus nerve being connected to cyclical vomiting syndrome. And so that you know makes a lot of sense when you bring that up and it's just like yeah this this brain gut connection that we have going on at we are just sort of on the precipice of figuring out, you know, how it can impact Us in so many ways. So yeah, I mean even thinking about Is that something that you think to like talk to women about in terms of like working with her vagus nerve? I mean is that is that part of the process? It's so interesting because first of all, I've never heard of cyclical vomiting syndrome. It's this is fascinating to me. I'm just not common for sure. Yeah, I'm sure it is things but I imagine that if I'm assuming she that she's throwing up towards the end of her cycle. Is that what I'm No, it's I don't know those that specific enough because she's been on so Wrong, so she doesn't it, you know, but they definitely they tell her it's hormone-related. You know, right? Well, I mean, you know nausea and vomiting are part of the PMS. Yeah syndrome symptoms. So yeah. Yeah, that's that is really fascinating and I actually had a client once who she what she also was had not vomiting, but she had symptoms that were completely out of control felt completely out of her control you towards End of her cycle. She was also put on an injection and you know, it's essentially my understanding was that it's just like it's almost like a birth-control injections. So just lines your hormones, right? So you stop ovulating and you don't have the that cyclical hormonal socks anymore. Yeah. It's so fascinating back to the progesterone resistance. I was curious as you were talking about it. So do you think if someone has been on birth control and then gets off birth control like especially progestin? You know base birth control like thing about the insulin resistance idea. Like if your cells are resistant to Progesterone, is that right? That partly be cut because of the progestins that have been coming in and they can occur. It's really interesting question. It's so interesting because the I don't know like I actually am not sure whether birth control can have that impact now I'm going to go look it up. I do wonder about that right because when you think about xenoestrogens and these, you know xenoestrogens for anyone who doesn't know our estrogens that are come from outside of your body, right so they could be very potent ones that come from chemicals like BPA or they can be something like flaxseed or soy so, you know it ranges but when I think about the fact that they are what we call estrogen mimickers, I do wonder whether there is a potential for that, but that The same time progestin the actual molecular structure of a progestin isn't very isn't super similar to produce strong. So again, I'm not sure although I don't know what the molecular structure of as you know, estrogen is either so who's to say right? That isn't potentially, you know blocking The receptors the professor on receptors as fascinating we have so much in our life and our environment. We have no idea how it really impacts us, right. We just like we're like guinea pigs, isn't it crazy and it's like every day there's Like 10,000 new chemicals introduced or whatever it is, you know. Yes. Well, okay. So now that we've kind of covered, you know sort of the science of it and you know kind of the some of the feelings of it. What are I'm going to ask you the question what is some of the first things that you recommend to clients do like we're kind of do you start investing a feeling process? No, and it's a trick question, right? Because we all want to know what we can do about that and That's all the science is nice. But tell me what the hell I can do right? I know seriously. I know I love to talk about those times I get carried away. So but I agree with and we have we got to start somewhere and you know, when I first got into the Whole Health coaching thing. I remember just you know thinking about how crappy I'd feel if I ate a piece of cake or I skipped a meal, you know, I never really thought it was that big of a deal like, you know, I didn't feel great, but I definitely didn't think it was super stressful on my body much less my In function, so I you know, I really keep coming back to the fact that we have to figure out what's happening with our blood sugar and this takes a little bit of biohacking and it you know, it takes some diligence but at the end of the day, like I said when you know that first time of our cycle things tend to be okay for many of us because estrogen is building it helps to it helps to desensitize us to insulin. So we don't have these huge swings that we may experience in the second half of our psyche. And then of course we get into the luteal phase and things changed significantly, but when it comes to these kinds of symptoms, like I said, we have so much control over them. In fact much more than I think we've been really led to believe and so looking at your blood sugar as a first step is to me like the most crucial part of it, right? And so when I'm talking about that I'm saying to you. What is it that you're eating, you know, every single meal that is Ali causing your blood sugar to go up too high because what happens is when it goes up to high higher than your body is is normally accustomed to then your body is just going to make a whole lot of insulin to bring all of that high blood sugar out of your blood straight into your cells so that it can be either utilized or stored for later usage. And so when we have that when the insulin does that it resolves a result in this major drop that we have right so we have this subsequent drop and Causes the cycle of blood sugar and balance and ultimately leads to insulin resistance and potentially diabetes. It's connected to polycystic ovary syndrome. It's even connected to conditions like Alzheimer's I mean, it's really, you know as far-reaching and so this is where I asked women to start to look at that like and one of the easiest things to do really is to look at your sugar consumption and your alcohol consumption. I know damn it's like Alcohol is very strong. Right? We just needed to get through life so I get it but I think that that's really where we have to start and you know, their blood sugar balancing supplements, you know, there's all kinds of things we can do but I asked women to take a hard look at this stuff and it's not like, you know, the it's not easy work like this balancing your hormones. They as you well know Christine like you've really been through it and I know listeners are going to have you know about your story, too, but I think ultimately that's the first place we have to start. And so when you're when I say that I'm talking about let's just look at what's happening with sugar consumption. How much are you having how much alcohol you having? What are you what's going on with refined carbohydrates in your life. So all of those are if you start to really look at your consumption of those I feel like they're going to make it it's going to make a huge difference in how your blood sugar save lives itself or dozen and And also what your moods and your emotional symptoms are going to be like as well. And so I always request women to start with just start with breakfast. Just think one meal a day even if you you know, I had a client once who basically was eating a brownie from Starbucks and a large coffee every single morning and she was like, I'm completely addicted. I cannot stop. I don't know what to do and eventually literally we were on the phone almost every single morning. Not going to have the Brownian this yeah, let's try it. Okay, let's literally try have decaf half caffeinated coffee. That's literally where we started and then slowly but surely we progressed to the point where she was having a breakfast with protein fat carbohydrates what that is, you know, like eggs, maybe some sweet potato greens of some kind or, you know, some kind of cruciferous vegetables like broccoli or cabbage. And you know, yeah, that's yeah, basically it may be some bacon if you want it or some kind of sausage something like that. So she was get got to the point where she was having that her shift in her PMS symptoms because she was really struggling was remarkable. And so I just asked women to try starting there. I mean, like if you're if you feel inclined to make the changes just the some of the smallest things that you do chewing your food. I mean just how your food digest so That your body can assimilate nutrients better. I mean, it's potentially life-changing and yet it doesn't have to be that hard. Right and as you know, I think that the sort of the conventional medical perspective. Is that or the current Paradigm is that really the complicated? Let's not test your food because it doesn't really mean anything. It's all too complicated and or it's just that your yeah, your body is kind of a mystery and I'm just going to either, you know, give you a medication of some kind and send you on your way and we have to be in charge of our own healing at this point as far as I'm concerned because we know this multiple women come to us almost every single day saying that they are just not getting the answers that they need and they know in their gut that there's something else or there's another way and so I think it's up to us to just start to make these small shifts. So I would suggest that and I would just say to oh, sorry you go ahead. I didn't Got it - well, I was thinking when you were talking, you know, it's interesting to you just like I mean, there's extremes across the u.s. And in food availability and those kinds of things, you know, but I live in Asheville where it's food-topia or whatever and there's a lot of places that will have like gluten free dairy free treats, right but people kind of see those as okay to eat because they're gluten-free and Dairy. Free but they're still refined carbohydrates and sugar in them to you know, and so there's also an education. I think that happens just on that basic level to you know, like we have all these things now that can seem healthy for us and as fine on occasion, but you definitely don't want to be eating that for breakfast, you know, like just from a brain function perspective. I yeah, I yeah, I'm sure she I'm sure your client that you walked through that. Process of changing the breakfast like just having that brain fog gone. I'm sure it was a huge thing for her. But yeah, really getting people to understand just like as much as possible real food, like real whole food that you know that comes from the ground or comes from an animal like start there and really yeah like the fat and the protein that being you know, making sure you get that in every meal and then throw whatever kind of Veggie you can you know greens are a plus. Yeah those simple Things and getting people and the in the like the dinner for breakfast idea. You know, that's what I'll tell a lot of people just like flip that switch, you know, and you feel better. Yeah. It's so true. I know and you know, it's so interesting because I'm in Mexico the moment like, you know, I told you this and I haven't eaten a single processed anything in a week since I've been here there's a lot of processed food. Yeah, but it's not I just for whatever reason just we haven't there's been no crackers with like, you know snacky things. All and personally lived on lots of snacks while writing this down, but you know like but I really haven't it is amazing like in two weeks. I've literally Drop Like 6 pounds, which is unbelievable, maybe because also I'm not as stressed as I was over the last six months but still like it is incredible ladies. Seriously how much your diet can shift your life in just two weeks then you think about, you know supportive supplement. Well, there's a lot A lot. I mean there are so much like when I think about you know, when if you were to just even incorporate some beans into your diet granted if you're allergic to them or you don't believe necessarily in how beans you know are digested in our bodies based on Paleo beliefs or anything like that. I get it but just like some just some black beans. I mean they contain a lot of different B vitamins B6 in particular has been shown to actually improve PMs and pmdd. And in fact, this is done because it Get these nutrients support your body's your liver detoxification, which is your body's ability to detox excess hormones. So it is really incredible. You know, when you think about just like the lowly black bean. Yeah, you know, it's about these new things in it that will support this process. And so I always come back to the fact that you know, it really is a multi-faceted all-hands-on-deck approach you you can't just eat the same thing over and over again. You really have to Bring in a number of different foods that are going to support this process and tune into how your body is responding to them to write like if you tuned in it'll tell you pretty quickly. Usually, you know, you don't have to go ton of like testing in order to figure out what isn't working for your body, you know, so, yeah, so I want to definitely dive into supplements here in a second, but he's a little bit about gut health because I you know, I don't necessarily know that everybody kind of fully understands what We mean we're talking about good health and how that relates to hormones. Yes. I'm so glad you asked this and you know, I talked a little bit before about gut inflammation potentially resulting in brain inflammation because of what's known as the gut brain axis, which is the correspondence between the gut and the brain and it's bi-directional. So something that's happening in the gut can influence the blind the brain and something is happening in the brain. It can influence the gut and so it's you know, it's in Resting like when you think about being super stressed you either have diarrhea or constipation. That's you know, one sign. It's also you know, what you think about getting bad news. You have to immediately feel like a pit in your stomach that is that brain gut-brain access and the communication between the two and so, you know, I think like what we need to understand is that there I feel like we're in an epidemic right? We're in a gut Health crisis epidemic and we Generally speaking just in the research. I've been doing like the sheer volume of research for this book what you know, what continues to come to light is the fact that gut dysbiosis which for anyone who does not know what that is. Basically that is when the your gut bacteria are not playing nice anymore with each other. So there's some problems there and then leaky gut which means that the intestinal barrier so it's only one Celtic which is crazy plus a little mucous lining. Has become inappropriately leaky right as Chris Kresser will say he's like, it's supposed to be kind of leaking but not to leekie. And so you get to the point where two large particles are being released into your bloodstream. So both of these trigger, you know, all kinds of problems but one is like a continual sort of immune reaction, right? So think of your immune system just waiting right on the other side of that intestinal lining and what's happening is your immune system little slow. They're little soldier guys. They're basically there to attack anything that passes through that's not supposed to be in your bloodstream. And that's an immune response every single day that immune response potentially becomes an autoimmune response and that's like an autoimmune condition. And so everyone knows those their rheumatoid arthritis or multiple sclerosis or anything that ends with is basically which means inflammation and so that's really what it comes down to right is this unseen somewhat unknown inflammation that's occurring in our body. It's not the same as like if you were to get a big cut on your leg, right and you've got your it's like it's all red and bloody and it's inflamed right? It's but it's still sort of is like that. It's just something inside and you don't really know and go on for years. And so I think that that's the root of all of this like, I always think back to that, you know, once I started to get my gut health under control my life completely transformed, I mean from PMS symptoms to period pain to Chronic yeast infections and Cheryl vaginosis, I mean girl, I had it all so I feel like you know, it really was life-altering and that's you know, what I continually come back to with with women who are experiencing all of these symptoms is that if your if your guts inflamed it's very likely that your brain is inflamed to and if your brain is inflamed you're going to experience these cyclical symptoms at a heightened level and so once we start to think about chewing our food getting eating to figure out what is happening is our gut is there dysbiosis. Do we have small intestinal bacterial overgrowth? Do we have a parasite do we have candida overgrowth what is going on in our gut and then really taking a you know, a functional medicine or a holistic approach to addressing every stage of our gut health whether it's you know from chewing our food our oral health our stomach are we producing enough stomach acid to break down said food all this great food, they're eating and has to be broken down. And then what's happening with the microbiota in you know in the small and large intestine, so it's you know, it's a multi-faceted approach, but I really think that that's you know, it's life-altering. Yeah, and you know, I've kind of focused on gut health in a lot of these interviews just asking about it because I think so many women don't really understand that connection between their hormones and their gut and that, you know loin when clients come to me. I'm always like okay we have to start with your gut health before we dive into You know anything really around your hormones, especially like do we need to do testing right off the bat maybe not because we want to get your gut working properly making sure that you know a you can digest all your food. I just heard recently like 80% or more of people suffer from hypochlorite idea, which is you know, low stomach acid and it's like if that doesn't work the whole rest of the system is not going to work properly or night and you've got your strobe alone the part of your microbiome that This is estrogen to get it out of your body. And that ain't working right then. Boom you back estrogen recycling in her body too, right? Yes. Yeah, and I'm not no. Can you tell us a little just a little bit about the liver in fact because that's another thing that I think you know a lot of women so really no. Oh my God, I swear to God, it's just a crazy when you think about the liver. Yeah. So the liver our livers are I feel very underappreciated not appreciate my boy liver. And I'm one of these people who does not have a great detoxification genes either. So my genes that are responsible for helping this detoxification process. Don't work that great a few of them are MTHFR. That's one that we all hear about a lot and then the other one is comped comt which is I'll talk about that in a second that's part of the phase 2 of liver detoxification. But so when we think about our livers, you know and detoxification. Generally, I think we all think of green juices and grind on a fast or something like that, but it's not really that It was detoxing all day everyday and it even has its own blood circulation system called a portal system is quite amazing. Actually. It's this whole complex process and just a reminder for everyone watching this like your body is so unbelievable. It is working so hard for you and it gets the food scraps. Sometimes it's still just trying it's definitely you better know exactly. So it's just like even if you don't want to make a change just try to make the change for your poor liver. Truly so okay. So Phase 1 and Phase 2 of liver detoxification is what we want to be focused on when it comes to estrogen detoxification. There's a phase three which you just mentioned which is in the gut and that's got to do with the estro blohm. So phase one we have this we have this process which basically takes all of these very toxic chemicals and your hormones and things like that as well and breaks them down into sort of the intermediary toxins. So Speak and so with your hormones what's happening is estrogen in particular is being broken down into three metabolites. We've got 200 H4 o agent 1608. I'd say the names but there are long and complicated like oh, it's okay. Oh h 2 4 and 6. So just think of the two four six Pathways and then in phase two what's happening is 1608 is taken and it's turned into estriol, which is another type of estrogen and then to equation for Ohr transformed in that second half of Of detoxification or in Phase 2 and they're turned into a another type of estrogen right? So another sort of breakdown or metabolites and that's then factored off. Send sent to the gut. So these are now broken down, right? So in Phase 2, it's fully broken down and your gut now receives this fully broken down estrogen and then what happens is a struggle. Oh like you were talking about they are responsible for just like further processing and removal, right? So it's like Seriously and dumped in the toilet is what's supposed to happen? Because Sara Gottfried says that she talks about estrogen as a use it and lose it hormone. And so the idea with estrogen is that your body uses it it's great awesome. And then it really is meant to just be extent right exactly down as carry Jones as the sewer pipe. And so, you know, like when you think about all of these phases, right this is very intricately orchestrated process. So if you're you're Phase 1 and Phase 2 need specific nutrients, right? They need huge amounts of antioxidants in it a lot of water so drink up. They need a lot of B vitamins. They need all kinds of different vitamins and minerals and nutrients and so if they're not getting those nutrients, so if there's you know, it's like almost like a crack in the pipe for instance and you don't have the stuff to fix the crack in the pipe. And so it causes problems right? There's leaks there's issues. And so it's the same thing right your phases don't have these Nutrients and so they're sort of just trying to make do with what they've got. And then what happens is these estrogens are not broken down properly. So they're potentially recirculated from your liver and then in your gut if you have to high beta glucuronidase you met which is, you know, a compound that basically turns all of those neatly packaged estrogens back into you know, estrogen that can be used and then they leave your poor got You're Gonna Fly. All right. I got do anything with us. I got it back out into her. I don't like you said estrogen recycling. It's totally that and then you end up in a situation where you've got more estrogen circulating than you originally had which is annoying and it just Builds on itself and it just gets worse as we get older because we just become less resilient. Unfortunately. I mean like you can you just need to do you need to work harder in order for your liver to work better and I are in your thirties and forties for sure. Yeah, and I mean to that point, you know in my own experience, you know with a fibroid. It and then something that I tell women that are dealing with fibroids. I get definitely you got to get your gut health together. You got to you know work on your insulin, but for me, I was like, you know, I ate I was paleo I was I mean my digestion was good in terms of what you normally would think of with people and I realized over the long term. It was my liver. Like I think I probably I haven't I haven't done genetic testing to find out about you know, my my detox but I have not. I'm almost positive. It was really about my liver because I was having literal liver pains when I'm drinking alcohol actually quit alcohol for a year because of that. Yeah, and that was like, you know, maybe half a year before the fibroid started and so the Irish I just kind of point at the importance of take a bath in their liver or because even if you feel like your guts working, well, you know, and that you're eating well, they're low sugar. Like there's this other aspect and like you said alcohol can have a huge impact. And more as we age unfortunately, this is the reality every woman over 40 is like I can't even drink a glass of wine anymore. And I'm like, you know, but I believe in a lot of ways. It's actually pushing us to be sort of the next level of ourselves too. And I know it's hard when you're in it because you're like but I always used to be this fun person that could do these things, you know, but there's so much growth and beauty that can come from kind of letting that old. Crutch go, you know and I think sometimes it's our bodies being like well, who do you want to be now, you know and I want you to do as well as you can for this next like stage of your life. So it's time to make a couple of sometimes hard choices sometimes, you know, you know, it's so hard. I completely agree. I you know, it's funny alcohols. Not really my thing but sugar is definitely my thing and I you know, so I I feel like it's usually one or the other because if the end of the day, right they have the same effect on your body, right? They'll raise Blood sugar you make you feel so great. Alcohol has the added benefit of making you feel totally uninhibited I could take on the world. But yes, so true that when you think about your liver and you know, if it's too much alcohol or its prescription drug or whatever it is or you know to high levels of BPA or any of these environmental toxins that have been introduced into our environment and the last 50 to 60 years. All of these are going to take precedence right because they are the most harmful to your body. So your liver is always going to be focused on those first. And so your hormones will take a backseat. And so this is why you know, we have to be so diligent about about these these different foods or beverages that were consuming because they are potentially going to mess with your hormones on that level as well write your liver just prioritize has more dangerous things. And yeah, it becomes a real problem. I mean not only for your hormones, but you start to think about Your mood and you think about your sleep and you know, we talked about in our 40s right like you don't get a whole lot of sleep anymore or your sleep is just not as deep. I was just talking to Jessica drum and the other day and she was like, that's the one thing I miss about being 22. No Miss. I could sleep through the phone ringing. I mean, you know, I know right Deal with now to that. We didn't necessarily have to do with 50 or 60 years ago because I know you've worked with plenty of women who are in their 20s and they are having these issues that usually women didn't necessarily have until 20 years later. Right? Exactly. Yes, and so it's like it doesn't matter what age you are like, you know, so yeah like a notification on my computer that just sorry ask, you know, you know, yeah, it's just it's That's what I love about this conversation with you. Is that like, you know, you can be 18 and have these PMS symptoms and really, you know, focus on all the things that we talked about focus on, you know, where your blood sugar is at your gut your liver and then we didn't have a chance to really go into thyroid and adrenal is but those are also those will be impacted in the changes that you make with those first three, right? Yes, and really that is going to set you up for a much better situation. When exactly are late 30s early 40s and cruise on to into menopause right? I couldn't agree more Yeah a hundred percent when you think about it, right? Like I think that that's really it's such an important point. You just brought up and I know we're running late on time, but I just feel like what you said about the fact that all the hormones are talking to each other. There's a whole conversation happening on on a daily basis on a minute-by-minute basis and the fact that you know, we can't continue to look at all of these. Organs and systems in our bodies and isolation like they're all in communication. And so of course like you said your adrenals, of course, they're affected by your blood sugar two ladies and so is your thyroid thyroid is affected by excess estrogen. So there's you know, all of this complex interplay that we need to take into consideration and that's why I think women are so confused by the terms hormonal imbalance or imbalanced hormones because ultimately it just feels like oh my God, there's so much happening. Where do I even begin and like that we were saying Blood sugar or at least starting to just look at that and look at how the nutrients you are actually getting a keep a food diary for a week and see what you actually are eating because we love to glosses over without it. Amazing. Right I made in our diet is the alto decline they're like and then they're like, oh I was it was just a weird time. I don't normally eat like this every time you know, it's a shame right because I'm all good. There I was in the forest so dog all about how great my diet is an absolutely no. I hate that thing there and yeah grab that back there. Yeah, it's yeah so I could go on forever with you because there's like so many things, you know, and I know everybody would benefit so much, but I wanted to thank you again just for being here with me today and sharing your wisdom and knowledge and you know, like I said earlier, it's just amazing. How many women? lives that you've impacted with this and I really see you and some of the other women that you have mentioned during you know, this interview that they're you guys are leading the way towards really not only empowering women but like actually having them feel better live better lives and be able to go out into the world and do what they are meant to do right because that's kind of what me like getting healthy is about a lot of ways like when you feel good Then you can do your work in the world. Right and you help other people in that way and so, you know, we need we needed a revolution and you guys are here like leading it. I appreciate that greatly and I know all the women listening also feel the same way. So tell them how they can get in touch with you and you know any projects that you have coming up. Yes. So everyone can find me on my website. It's Nicole. Jardim.com forward slash blog if you want to check out my blog and Course, you mentioned the period party. So that's the podcast. I co-host with my dear friend neck cream Buddhist and my Australian parents telling girls. All right, I know exactly and so you're we have tons of episodes everything. We read like a hundred and sixty at this point. There's a lot of episodes there. Yeah, and then I, you know, you can also like I said on my site you can go take my Period quiz, that's a great way to kind of figure out what might be going on or at least start to figure out what's going on. And then I've just finished we have mentioned this writing a book which Which is coming out in sorry, April 28th, I think yeah, it was one. Eighth of 2020 maybe a plan right now. Yeah, and it's go. Yeah, so that's titled fix your period and that really is so much about of this protocol includes a six-week protocol on how to fix your very problem. Yeah. I know right? That's the goal. I mean like I you know, I like we were saying right you can definitely spot treat right? You can take some magnesium and you can These different supplements and you can try a few a little few food changes and whatnot. But at the end of the day some of us just need a bit of an overhaul and so that was really what I was going for with the book. Yeah. Awesome. That's so incredible because you know that like we said earlier it's like I love I love people to actually understand the science of it. And then like we also got to give the protocol right because people are like, okay, I need to like change things. So what do I do? So it's really exciting. This book is coming out. Thank you for sharing that with the world and now I know it's been like birthing a baby, right? That's what they say. So then you get to watch it grow. So thank you guys so much for being here need a little help. It's going on and some other great stuff. So I will see you guys tomorrow. Bye.

Day 3 of the 2019 Hormone Summit brings us an interview with one of my favorite people, The Period Girl herself, Nicole Jardim. We chat all things PMS, and Nicole goes in-depth about what is happening in your body when PMS strikes. It's a multilayered process, but luckily Nicole tells you where to begin to help banish this bane of many women's existence. And she somehow makes the whole process seem fun and easy! Nicole is a Certified Women’s Health Coach and the creator of Fix Your Period, a series of programs that empower women to reclaim their hormone health using a method that combines simplicity and sass. Her incredible work has impacted the lives of hundreds of thousands of women around the world in effectively addressing a wide variety of period problems, including PMS, irregular periods, PCOS, painful periods, amenorrhea, and many more. Nicole is also the co-host of The Period Party, a top-rated podcast on iTunes—be sure to tune into that if you want to learn more about how to fix your period—and she’s the creator of the Institute for Integrative Nutrition’s hormone health continuing education course. Connect with Nicole via her website at https://nicolejardim.com/, through her FB at https://www.facebook.com/nicolemjardim/, or her IG at https://www.instagram.com/nicolemjardim/.

This podcast is brought to you and made possible by generous financial aid from Peter kanzler K. Ay n z l-- e-- r-- you can buy his Amazon books at your favorite Amazon Branch, for example, the original texts of lock Hobbs and the US Constitution of Pennsylvania put together into one book for only $15. Thanks for listening. Okay, so there was a couple of things that I wanted to tell you. There were left open in the last lecture. The first one was that I told you that there were two types of games and then I only told you about one type of game so I know you've all been dying of curiosity about that ever since so the first type of game that we talked about was the one where everyone has a particularly shared goal. You might think of that as a structured game, but the second type of game that Piaget was interested in was dramatic or pretend play games and Generally how a pretend play episode works. Is that while our child can always do this by him or herself, but if it's a group game, usually what happens is the kids get together in a little group and they basically script out a little play. It's like it's like what would you call it spontaneous improvisation, you know, and so maybe they'll play house and then they assign, you know a player to each roll and I guess that would normally be mother and father and baby. And maybe a pet dog or cat. So, you know, you could be the cat and you can be the mom and you could be the day I didn't and they'll set up a little dramatic Arena. I maybe it's you know, like a table covered with blankets which kids seem to particularly like and then they'll run through the game now and in some sense what they're doing is imitating their parents or maybe their pet or maybe the baby but it's not exactly imitation and this is an important thing to note because Imitation would imply if you're imitating someone what your incense doing is duplicating what they just did though. There are robots. For example. Now if you want to teach the robot how to do something so maybe the robots got an arm. In fact, it does you can grab its arm and you can go like this. And then as long as you put a can there the robot will do exactly that precisely that so you're teaching it. It has the capability of imitating movements that it's already done once but you know when you're a kid and you're playing house and maybe you're being the mother you don't precisely duplicate with your body exactly the movements that you saw your mother made me be the last time you saw her or the last time you were watching her what you seem to be able to do instead. Yes to watch your mother over long periods of time and extract out something that you might describe as her spirit. And I know that that's not really a psychological or a scientific word, but it's a useful word because or you could perhaps say her personality but it's not her personality exactly because it's her personality as mother which isn't really her personality. It's the mother personality and that mother personality is something that has been practiced by mothers for. Who knows how long and what the child seems to do when she will say for this example is watching her mother is extract out what the spirit of motherhood is and then embody that right and so you might think of the spirit of motherhood as those elements of behavior and perception and emotion and cognition for that matter, but it's an it's an embodied. It's all of those embodied simultaneously what's in common across All the instances of acting like a mother, you know, so you could say well that's mother like behavior and who knows what that might be. I mean, what you want to do is conjure up The Stereotype roughly speaking of a mother, you know, people don't really like stereotypes especially in Psychology. But almost all you're thinking is in stereotypes. So there's not much difference between The Stereotype and a category, you know, categories are oversimplifications and so are stereotypes. But anyways, so you take Imagine This Ariel type of a mother and then the child is acting that out and what they're trying to do is to become the mother roughly speaking. So and why well for obvious reasons, there's obvious reasons why someone would do that it's because without mothers there wouldn't be any human beings. And so if we didn't have a successful mother's then that would be the end of us and so we wouldn't be here to talk about it. So the now one of the things that Piaget observed was that this kind of dramatic play was extraordinarily important to children because it helped I'm learn how to act like they would act maybe when they're older children, or maybe when they're teenagers or maybe when they're young adults. It's a trial run in a relatively. safe environment one of the things I've been thinking about it's not that easy to precisely specify the role of a father but I really believe that one of the things that fathers do if they do a good job being fathers is that they circumscribe a safe space within the house or within the familial environment where the children can play free of interference. And so then because play is also a very sensitive Behavior, but by which I mean that It's easy to disrupt play and children if there's anything wrong with the child, they won't play. So one of the ways that you can tell if your child is doing well is that they're playing I mean, I suppose you can say the same thing about your dog or maybe even your partner, you know, if they're in a playful mood then perhaps there isn't anything particularly wrong with the relationship at the moment on other all the needs that might be regarded this in some senses more fundamental have been met and so to get children to play. Well, you have to circumscribe a safe area and they have to be taken care of. And then they can experiment with different modes of be it and they do that by themselves, but they also do that in the company of other children and obviously what they're doing is practicing for later roles and you know, you see this sort of thing and children at multiple levels because not only will they play out being a parent that's a very common element of Child's Play, but they also often develop sort of fixations on slightly older children may be a year older or to 2 years older and sort of hero worship. That worship them and follow them around and and imitate that needed more directly than they might imitate a parent now, obviously the child has his or her reasons for that and the reasons are as they're trying to advance to the next stage. So they scan the environment look for someone who seems to have done that. Well, whatever that means who looks competent as may be friendly and who could tolerate having a you know kid Trail along behind them and then they act them out and so play all the forms of play that we Grab the two basic forms are extremely important to children and when you see them pretending it as a parent, one of the things that you should realize is that it's an extraordinarily important form of activity. It's how they socialize themselves. Now, the other thing that I didn't mention this is going this is concentrating on Piaget as well. As you know, we talked a little bit in the mythological and shamanic initiation lectures about the idea that human personality evolution is a punctuated upward development. So you move ahead and then you encounter something that gets in your way some sort of severe obstacle and it either blocks you behaviourally so that you can't get to your goal using your Kurt behavioral plants or it's even more complex than that and it disrupts the whole structure that you're using to integrate your behavior across time, you know, so the difference between that would roughly be the difference between say Going home to your partner are going on a date with your partner. Assuming people still do such things are going out with your partner and them being in an irritable mood. And so what that would mean is that maybe you smile at them or you tell them a joke and you know, it falls flat or they respond in an angry Manner and so you're going to orient to that's going to make Things Fall Apart a little bit. You might say, oh the whole nights ruined you probably don't say the whole relationship is had it but if that happens enough times, you might but you might say, oh the whole nights ruined or maybe you cool, which is probably a bit of an over reaction right off the bat like my impression as a clinician is that when people are being difficult to get along with you should let them do it three times while you track it because then the third time they do it you can say look you've done this. Here's what you're doing. They see. No, I'm not doing that. And you say huh? Yes, you are because I saw you do it then and then and then and then they're basically screwed you win right away if you do that, so More, you know more seriously. If it's just one little episode, it's best to let it go. You don't really have any proof and maybe there's just some you know, local thing wrong three times. That's a whole different issue because then you've got some credibility and it's a nice balance between being too impulsively reactive. You don't cause you should stand up for yourself. Right? Well, does that mean that you should respond to every little slight? Well, you're going to be reacting all the time if you do that, but you don't want to be a pushover and let people walk all over you so you have to find some balance between being So you don't have unnecessary fights and being tough so that you don't have unnecessary fights and three is a nice number anyways, so you're out with your partner and are being annoying and you know, you can reconstruct your behavior. Maybe instead of telling jokes you look at your phone and let them calm down or something like that. You haven't disrupted much of the frame that you're using to interact with them right the night. The evening is still continuing in its planned manner you can still use the perceptual In the expectations that were guiding you they're modified at a very high resolution minor level and then so that's going to upset you a little bit because you're going to think you know, what's going on here. Maybe you'll think is there something wrong with me or are you going to if you're self-conscious you'll do that or maybe you'll think that there's something wrong with them whatever but it's not that serious. But then, you know, maybe you go on a you're out with your partner and you know some person wanders over you to rest on some person. Wanders over to the table and says hello to your partner. I don't didn't know that you had a girlfriend or boyfriend, you know, you didn't tell me that when we went out last week. Well that's going to be a whole different scenario, right? Yeah and you all laugh about that because you know perfectly well that it's a different scenario, right? And you might say well why is the one scenario more disruptive than the other and the answer that is something like If you're presuppositions about the world are arranged in a hierarchy in a sense so that the little actions that you take to do something are at the very bottom of the hierarchy there the micro details and then you continue to abstract up all the way to the top which might be I'm in a committed relationship. Now, there's levels of hierarchy going from being in a committed relationship to the little actions that you undertake with one another the higher up you have to go in the hierarchy the higher up 50s rupture occurs in the hierarchical level the more upset you're going to be so irritable partner. Well, you can sort of walk around that I'm faithful partner. Well, you know, that's pretty much up at the top of the hierarchy where you have to start rethinking your past and your present and your future and maybe who you are and who they are and who men are and who women are and it's like it's really it's a disaster right? Everything falls apart. Well, then that's the little trip to the underworld that we talked about now Piaget. I had an idea like that also with regards to children because his stage theory is a punctuated Theory one of the things he noted about children would that was that they would construct a structure and the structure would be I think again the best way to think about it as a personality because a personality has thoughts and emotions and motivations and actions. So all of those at the same time, it's this little alive sub-element of you and the children children are Conjuring up these little sub elements of themselves that have functional utility as they build themselves from their from the from their motor systems upwards and now and then they run into a situation where the tools that they've built the subpersonalities that they built aren't fulfilling the desired function. So maybe that'll happen when you know, a three-year-old goes to kindergarten and isn't making friends easily. Well that's going to be a child of come home after that cry fall apart and maybe be angry and tell their parents. No one would play with me and you know, they'll break down they'll have tears and it's almost as if they switch from a domain where they're confident like Emotion signifies, especially negative emotion signifies that you've moved from the domain in which you're competent to The Domain in which you're not confident and if you're crying, for example, then that's often a distress signal sometimes it's anger but it's often a distress signal and it means I've ended up in a situation where what I know is no longer sufficient to produce the outcomes that I desire. So you cry and then you get help people come and say well, what's the matter and they give you a little packed and You know and they can Soul you and then maybe they help you strategize about what you could do to make the situation better or how you could act or if you're a smart parent. Maybe you play with your child and offered them, you know, what an upgrade their ability to interact socially or you take them out on additional play dates or whatever and monitor their behavior and help them reconstruct their Little subpersonality so and bring in more information so that it's more sophisticated. And so that would be the pigeon idiot. So this is a combination of the Piaget and ideas of this stage Theory which is movement upward with a punctuation. That's the confusion because the previous structure is no longer well adapted to the world and then the idea of assimilation and accommodation. Now, here's a kind of made assimilation and accommodation in a sense opposites and it's not exact it's hard to figure out. Assimilation for Piaget is when you pull information in and the structure the internal structure that you're pulling it into doesn't really have to change that much an accommodation is when you pull in a fairly Mighty piece of information often negative and it's so disruptive that the structure that you're using to understand the information has to be reconstructed now PSA thinks of assimilation or accommodation, but I think it's much easier to think about it on a Continuum with the assimilation. Occurring at the level of micro behaviors, you know, like if you if you're trying to pick up a fork, you know, maybe your hands numb you try to pick up a fork and it doesn't work a couple of times. Then you just change your grip and pick it up. Like it's a little annoying you you're going to look at the fork and you're going to try a couple of routines to pick it up. But you know, it's not going to bring your whole damn world to a halt, you know, so whereas if you find a dead mouse in your soup, well that's going to be a whole different story. And again, it's a hierarchical issue and so at the bottom Near the motor structures. I would say it's easy to assimilate you just have to make minor changes to the I like to think about them as Maps really their maps are personalities that know those don't sound the same but they're very similar depends on whether the thing needs a little adjustment or whether you have to toss the whole thing away and build a new one. You know, what's the difference between tightening the lug nuts on your car buying a new car? You can see levels of you can understand it as levels of difficulty another way of thinking about it. You need to know this because you need to understand how it is that you figure out how upset you should get when something goes wrong. Because they're very very complicated question. If you wake up with this an ache in your side how upset should you be well, you don't know it's like maybe it's nothing maybe you're going to die of cancer in six months. You don't know and so it's not self-evident how people calibrate their emotions when something goes wrong because the extent of the thing that went wrong is not clearly evident. Your partner's crabby. When you go out for dinner, does that mean that you're going to break up in two weeks? Well, it might mean that so why don't you just flip out right away? As the whole world's coming to an end. Well, some people do write in those would be people who are hiring negative emotion or hiring trait neuroticism because they're more likely to react as if a small potentially small a normally or uncertainty or threat or discontinuity or unexpected occurrence is catastrophic. We're an emotionally stable person. You know, you might really have you might have to say I'm breaking up with you before they're gonna you know look upset and maybe even then it's not going to bother them that much so So so you think of the motor hierarchy, you know ranging from micro behaviors at the bottom two abstractions at the top and then you can understand how you might compute how upset you get when something goes wrong assume that it's small to begin with check at that level. If you can't fix it at that level Advanced one level up your car doesn't work. You don't buy a new one. The first thing you do is maybe see if the battery is dead right? Because that that's the path that you could take that would cause you the least amount of trouble. It's a really good schema from mental hygiene. It's like Occam's razor, you know Occam's razor in science. Right? Does it make does everybody know what Occam's razor is how many people know how what Occam's razor is? Okay. How many people don't know that's amazing. It's amazing. That's okay. Well, you should know it's really too bad that you don't know. It's undoubtedly no reflection on you. Anyways, Occam's razor is the is that a phrase referring to a What it principle that was established by an ancient thinker awesome, and he said do not multiply your explanatory principles Beyond necessity. Okay. And so what he meant was if you have six reasons why something might have gone wrong and you can rank order them in terms of complexity pick the simplest one. And then until you disprove that stick with it and then go to the next simplest one and so on so and it's often used as a guiding principle in science. Where the where the idea is. If you have a simple explanation don't complicate it up with a bunch of unnecessary assumptions and you know, it also might be reflective of a deeper underlying truth, which is that it's unlikely for any set of entities to be in any particular configuration, but it's particularly unlikely for them to be in an unlikely and complex configuration. So anyways anyways, so hopefully that's Hannibal you can tangle all those ideas together at the bottom of your personality hierarchy. There are actions that the top there are abstractions moral abstractions like be a good person when you run into something that's unexpected. The amount you get upset is proportionate to the level in the hierarchy where the damage appears to be taking place. Now, you kind of have to guess it that and partner you do that with your temperament. So if you're high in neuroticism, you guessed catastrophe and if it's low in neuroticism you guess irrelevant and you do that partly. Because of the way that you perceive your own competence, you know, because if you've encountered minor to major problems in the past say even if you're a nervous person and you've solved them you might have learned while yeah, it's a problem, but I can fix problems. So it's not really a problem which is a really good way to think of yourself. You know, that's a better way that much better way to think of yourself. Then I'm a person with no problems. It's like good luck with that, but I'm a person who could successfully address problems if I concentrated on them, and that's that's very very, useful and then The other way that your nervous system sort of decides how upset you should get when something happens is by looking at how other people treat you and if they treat you like you're competent then your nervous system gets less neurotic that that's a good way of thinking about it. You produce more serotonin. You react less. Globally to indications of error. Okay. So anyway so Piaget he talks about assimilation assimilation is when you have to make a little change in the Commendation is when the whole Dam structure has to be reconfigured and he thought about those in some sense as separate types of learning but they're not they're on they're on a Continuum from very simple to very complex have any of you ever heard of the idea of a paradigm shift. How many people have heard of that? Okay, how many people haven't? All right. Do you know the name Thomas Kuhn anybody? No, okay. Well Thomas Kuhn was a philosopher of Science and he wrote a book in 1962 called scientific the nature of scientific revolutions. Yeah, and Coon basically said the same thing about the way knowledge structures proceeded as Piaget said about the progression of knowledge structures within the individual so Kuhn was concerned about large-scale transformations in scientific Viewpoint. So let me give you an example. So in the late 1890s Physicists were convinced that they're just going to have to shut the whole Endeavor down. Why well, because the physicist knew everything there was to know there wasn't a single phenomena at that point that physicists could not account for except one and here's the one they couldn't account for. Imagine you're on a train and it's going that way at half the speed of light. and you shine a flashlight you're standing on the top of the train obviously protecting yourself Against the Wind and you shine a light going ahead. And you measure the speed of light out of your flash. Like the speed of light is 186,000 miles per second out of your flashlight. Okay. So now you're on you're on the ground you're watching this train Zip by and the guys on top of it shining the flashlight and light comes out of the front of his flashlight and you measure the speed of it. What's the speed? What you might think well, obviously it's the speed of light plus half the speed of light because the train is going half the speed of light and the light is going the speed of light and so the light coming from the combination of the train and the light is is the speed of light plus half the speed of light that's what would happen. If someone was throwing the ball, right but that is right. What happens is it's the speed of light and no matter how fast you're going when you shine your flashlight out the light coming out of your flashlight is going to be going exactly a hundred and eighty-six thousand miles an hour. Second sorry hundred eighty six thousand miles a second. It's not additive. And so if you're if you're on the train and you're backwards and your shining your light and the person measures, it's not the speed of light - half the speed of light which is what it would be if you were throwing the ball, its speed of light. Well, nobody knew how the hell to count for thats like that just made no sense at all. But everyone was ignoring it Well turns out you can't ignore that and that wasn't the only thing that wasn't quite well laid out at the end of the 19th century from the perspective of physics, but it was a big one and to solve that Newtonian physics had to be completely overthrown and quantum physics put in its place and quantum physics is quantum physics, you might think of it as a box like this and inside that there's a box that says Newtonian physics and so quantum physics can explain everything that Newtonian physics can explain but it explains some more things beside and so you would say because of that. It's a better Theory now, I'd say well you've just made a personality transformation. Are you better person than you were before? And you might say well how in the world can you make a judgment like that? And I would say well if you're a better personality, you can do all the things you could do before just as well or maybe even a little better. Plus there's a bunch of new things that you can do. That's a better personality. So another interesting example of how the idea of better which really is a moral idea in some sense better versus worse. You can conceptualize it but this is one of the things he has a is really really useful because it gives you a language that's grounded in observation and in science to start to handle questions that start to border on the moral. So better personality can do more than the previous personality could and you can certainly see how that would be applicable to your life. And one of the things I would suggest as a consequence of that is, you know, people always compare themselves to other people and generally what you do is you compare yourself you make a little dominance hierarchy out of the people that are right around you. This is a very annoying propensity because what it means is that no matter how successful you get in your life. You're still going to be in the middle of the dominance hierarchy. So you'll end up. I don't know maybe you end up God. I don't know maybe your CEO of a hundred million dollar company. Let's say well you go hang out with a bunch of CEOs and like there's 10 of them three of them are CEOs of a two billion dollar companies like your pretty little CEO among those people. But who are you going to be comparing yourself to the guys who pick up your trash? It's like No, you could but you won't you'll have your little group around you and you'll be somewhere in the middle. And so that's useful to know because that means that what you have to learn to cope with is the fact that you're going to be somewhere in the middle and then you might say well how do you cope with that? Because you should be improving and you also want to be very good at something. Well, I think the best way to do that and this is especially true when you're older is that you don't compare yourself to other people you compare yourself to the previous version of you. It's a good control right because you'll see especially by the time you're about 30 when you're young. You have to compare yourself to other people because because when you're young you're a lot like all other young people in some sense, but by the time you're 30, you're older, you're not very much like other people at all. And so, you know, because the conditions of your life start to become so unique and specific to you. Well, then comparing yourself to other people isn't very helpful, but comparing yourself to who you were before that's really helpful and you can keep doing that your whole life and it's a fair game, right? Because the previous you had all the problems and all the opportunities and positive Attributes that you have, it's fair. It's a fair game and it'll save you an awful lot of misery. So alright, so Here's the outline different forms of games and he talked about different ways that those aided in socialization and you can understand that I used this meta idea which was the hierarchy of personality to sort of explain that from a PhD in perspective. You put yourself together from your body upward towards increased abstractions. And as you do that you can do more things with your body, but you can also do more complex things integrating those things that you do with your body across time and with increasing numbers of other people now he has a has this really cool idea about what constitutes morality as a consequence of that so he would say, all right, so let's say You can choose game a or you can choose game be and you might say well I want to figure out whether game a or game be is a better game because if I'm going to play a game it might as well be a better game and so he would say, okay. So here's how you can figure out if the game you're playing is a good one. Okay, it's good for you. Now it's good for you. Now next week next month next year and 10 years from now. So not only is it good for you now, but if you play it repeatedly things get better for you. Okay, so that's that's a game where you're taking the future into account. It's not an impulsive gate, you know, like if you want to if cocaine is really really good for people for about a day but over a week or six months or five years. It's a degenerating game. So and you can't use your emotion to determine that His cocaine generally suffuses the person who's using it with a sense of power and and possibility so you can't just rely on your emotion no more than you. Can when you're tempted to do something impulsive and fun, but that might have negative consequences. Okay, so the game should be good now and across the future and then it should be good for you and it should be good for your family and it should be good for your social community and so forth as you spiral outward, and it should be good for all of those things that cross. People expenses of time and PSA would call that an equal abraded game. Now, there's another additional idea behind the idea of an equilibrated game, which is that If I'm playing a game that's good for me and it's good for you and it's good for you. And it's good for you. Then we probably will all be willing to play it voluntarily. And so that's also why Piaget believe that in some sense a game like structure. Let's say a social structure that everybody plays because they want to is much better than a game like structure where everyone plays because they have to and so he would say well that's in part the technical difference between a tyranny and a democracy. It's a bloody smart. Thinking, you know, I think Piaget got farther with that idea than anyone else had ever in history because you can understand there's this old idea. About was Hume another philosopher. What's his first name Hume? What's that David? Yes, you think I could remember that David Hume. He has this idea that you can't derive a not from an is so it's another one of those principles like Occam's razor and what it means is something like this no matter how much you know about something that doesn't mean that you can figure out what you should do about it. So here's an example. Let's say we know age is a problem. We don't cancers a problem. We know heart disease is a problem. We know poverty is a problem Etc. There's all these problems. How do you determine how you would allocate resources to those different problems? Well, it's a very very difficult problem to get out from a scientific perspective. And the reason for that is that well, there's all these variables that you would have to equate imagine you've built a spreadsheet and so you were thinking okay, which is the most Troublesome of these things and then you know, which We saw with the least amount of money. Well, the problem is is that to to determine whether something is troublesome. You still have to make a value judgment. Like there's no way you can get to the bottom of the problem without introducing the problem of value judgment and that's partly why it's very difficult to derive a not what you should do from an is what you know, and that's why there's a distinction between science and morality or science and religion. That's another way of thinking about it is that they're they're they're different domains. Now Piaget in some sense has described a way out of that because he does say well look Theory that's better than a previous theory is the theory that explains the same amount plus more and you can apply that to your personality and then a game that's better than a different game is one that benefits you and more people but it also does that over different spans of time now a game like that's very hard to compute, you know, when two people talk about environmental sustainability what they're really talking. It was a PR geriatric with equilibrated game where you can live in your family and your family can live in society and Society can operate within an economy and the economy can exist within the ecology without having it is the economy tilt the ecology so that you can't live in your family can't live in your Society can function on the Act and the economic system can't function. So there is this idea of multi-level balance, but those things are very very difficult to compute, you know, so but it's still a nice principal, you know, so if you thinking well if you need a justification for what you're doing and you want to put yourself on firm moral ground, which is really useful because then people can't push you around verbally or intellectually or any other way because you're you know, you're grounded you are standing on something solid just like you need to know. Why is this good for you as if you were someone you were taken care of? Why is it good for you across a long period of Time. How does it benefit your family? How does it benefit society and then, you know, you can keep stepping upward from So I could give you one example of someone who's doing that I think you know about that Dutch kid who figured out how to get plastic out of the oceans. He's not just whining about it and you like parading around with a sign that says, you know, I don't like pollutions like as if you need to tell people that you know, because everyone really doesn't like I don't like pollution and I'm against poverty. It's like yeah, well find someone who's for pollution and poverty anyways, this kid was about 17 something like that. He was diving around he's a diver. I think it was spear fishing and he noticed there was more plastic than fish and this wasn't a very happy discovery. And then so we started thinking about that. How can we get the plastic out of the oceans? And then he was looking at manta rays and manta rays have these big wings that help them sort of glide through the ocean and he thought about that for a while then he thought well, maybe I could build this sort of manta ray thing that lies on the surface of the ocean in a triangle and then it could be towed through the ocean and all the plastic would go to the apex of the triangle and then you could just scoop it up, but then he did his calculations and I haven't got the story quite right but at this Is basically this is basically the story. He did some calculations and found out well that's not cost effective because it takes a lot of energy to drag this thing through the water and there's a lot of water and you know, and plus you're polluting like mad while you're dragging this thing through the water and so probably it's just not that helpful, but then he realized that if you go out in the ocean, there are these massive things called gyres which are like very like huge water hurricanes, except they're very very very slow moving but they're huge. They're continents. I And so the oceans are already moved always moving. So he thought ha since the ocean is moving. There's no real reason to have to drag the the, you know, the plastic or the plastic gatherer through the water. You could just nail it to the ocean bed with tables and then just have it sit there and then the ocean would go through it all by itself. So he built a prototype which wasn't very big and he gathered up a fair bit of plastic all the Plastics in about the top foot of the ocean by the way, and it really increases in density As you move up Talk bitch, so then he built a bigger one and then he got a bunch of he went on Kickstarter and then he raised a bunch of money and then he got a bunch of Engineers to look at his idea and they said well, you know, this would probably work. So then they built a big one couple of kilometers long, which is now in place off the shore of Japan. They also said a whole flotilla of people from California to Hawaii to do a garbage estimate see how much garbage there is no water because there's a big spot in the middle of the Pacific called the great garbage spot, which is full of Of the great Plastics part doesn't matter. It's full of plastic. So they went to estimate how much there wasn't any ways. He thinks he can guide this thing to the bottom of the ocean in these big jars make it, you know hundred kilometers long in a v-shape put a kind of a collector at the end of it load all the plastic he collects up on barges go RI refine that into oil or plastic and pay for it while he's doing it. And so you can look them up. I think he's 19 or 20 now so you know, that's a good equilibrated game right that works out really? Well he gets to make some money good for him. He gets to employ a bunch of people. That's a good thing. Everybody's happy about it because good, you know, we're getting rid of the garbage and like there's no downside. So it's hard to say it's hard to come up with an argument for why that isn't a good thing and it's good not you know, it's it's good because everyone benefits all the way up. So that's an equilibrated. He collaborated State. It's a very very very smart idea. Okay? now Young Experimental psychologist don't like you. Well, they don't like Freud either and they don't have much time for clinicians in general. But that's okay. They're not trying to solve the same problems. now usually if you take a personality course, you'll cover Freud before you cover Young and the reason for that is that Freud in some ways preceded young historically and lots of people especially the Freudian like to think of you as Freud's student and there's some truth to that because Freud was the first person who really collected up ideas about the unconscious and formalize them publicize them and apply them to the problems of Pathology and mental health so good for him and Freud was unparalleled at describing pathological families, and there's plenty of those. But young was interested in something that was underneath that. I mean Freud got underneath things a lot. You know, he was also one of the first people to point out just exactly how potent sexual and aggressive motives were in shaping the way that we thought but Young um was more interested like in some sense young was more like a darwinian biologist. He was much more interested in the biological and psychological philosophical history of fundamental human behavioral patterns. And so young wasn't like a behaviorist behaviorist would think When you're born, there's nothing there except the possibility to learn things. You're a blank slate and then everything you learn as a consequence of sensor information that you're picking up and what you learn as a consequence of that but you he didn't think that at all he thought that there's a specific Human Nature. And he set out to understand what that human nature is now a couple of lectures ago. I talked to you about the characters that you might imagine making up the world that you inhabit. So I said, well you can think about the absolute unknown which is the unknown that so unknown that you don't even know. It's there. That's a something that is really really shocking if you ever encounter it and it's the sort of thing that you're exposed to hypothetically whenever you go to a whore. A movie that depends on fear, right because horror movies that depend on fear. Confront you with things that do not behave the way they're supposed to behave like inanimate objects that move, you know, if all of a sudden you discover an inanimate object that moves there's a lot that's wrong with your particular model of the world and you can kind of experience that in a horror movie because things will do things they're not supposed to do like walls will bleed that's just not supposed to happen. And so it's very upsetting to see something like that. But you're exposing yourself to that and horror movies and trying to Wow, you're trying to develop some courage because God only knows which of your fundamental major assumptions might just turn out to be wrong. So we talked about representations of the absolute unknown and I suggested that those were often associated with Serpentine predators. And then we talked about representations of culture because like every character has to contend with culture whether it's a fictional character or you you're stuck with it. You've got your culture and some of that's positive because here you are you can talk you can read it's warm, you know, you've got a bright future ahead of you and then it's also a it's also a destructive. Pirate because it's ruining the world and all those things that you already know about and then so that's culture and then there's nature because you're stuck with that too. And there's a benevolent element of nature that's usually portrayed in with feminine symbols. And that's the mother nature that environmentalists know and love and then there's much you know, Mother Nature that gives your mother cancer when she's 40 and that's the downside of Mother Nature and you're pretty much stuck with that too. Then there's you and you know, there's all the useful things about you the sort of heroic things. He's technically, you know, the parts of you that would be able to confront the unknown and to Prevail or to confront the tyrannical part of the culture and Prevail that's the positive part and then there's the negative part which is the part of you that you know, very very well that's always causing trouble for you and other people and it doesn't do what it's supposed to and is resentful and angry and Petty and mean and ignorant and blind and impulsive and rationalizing and all of these lovely things that people are more than capable of doing now those archetypes and so their archetypes because They are fundamental their the fundamental personalities that we use to orient ourselves in life. I guess that's the best way of thinking about it. Now what when you talked about an archetype, it's kind of complicated because sometimes he talks about them as instincts and sometimes he talks about them as images and sometimes he talks about them as stories, but the best way to contend with out is to understand that they're all of those at the same time. So for example, if you go to a romance, which is a kind of archetypal story you go to a romantic comedy say that means You know, the protagonists have a love affair and it turns out positively romantic comedy an archetypal structure. Well, one of the characters do it while they're driven by Instinct, obviously, so that's the instinctive level of the archetype and then it's a behavioral pattern because they're interacting with each other and it's a story because someone has selected out the major elements of the events in the way that would be most engaging to an audience and portrayed them. So the It can be all of those things at the same time. There's no contradiction. It just makes it a more complex phenomenon, its best again to think of it as a personality an archetype is a personality and an archetypal story is the manner in which an archetypal personality manifests itself across time and there's lots of archetypal stories and I can give you a couple of fundamental examples. The fundamental archetype of male behavior is the Dragon Story is confronting the dragon and that's to go out. Confront the dragon which can be all sorts of things that can be the absolute unknown. It can be the negative element of femininity, which is a dragon that stops man cold all the time. And usually what happens as a consequence is that the person gets a treasure or gets a girl. Okay the fundamental female archetype as far as I've been able to tell it's a little harder to track down it took me a long time is Beauty and the Beast And the reason I figured that out there's a bunch of reasons, but only figured it out about two years ago. And I thought yeah, of course, that's it. I read this book by the guys who guys who do data analysis at Google and it's called a billion Wicked thoughts. It's quite an interesting book. And basically what it is is a it's a study of search engine behavior. And you know, I think about 18 19 percent of search engine behavior is sexual in nature. And so that he might think well what are men doing and what are women doing? Well, You know what men are doing they're looking at pictures of naked women broadly speaking. What are women doing? Ha they're not looking at pictures of naked men. They're reading about sex. So women's pornography use is literary. And so I thought oh that that's interesting. That makes sense because Oxley women read more fiction than men by the way, women are more predisposed to read fiction women seem to be more interested in people than in things a very stable cross cultural gender difference. Anyway, so women are reading about sex and you know that if you buy if you look at when I was a kid and on holidays summer holidays my mom used to pack her out long like 30 Harlequin romances. Do you know what a harlequin? Mansions does everybody know what a Harlequin romance is. Does anybody not know? Okay, most people know it's a cheap pulp romance. You know, it's like deserving young women meets dashing and somewhat distant guy and then he's already with someone but she doesn't deserve him and then she charms him and then you know, he decides that she's actually the one and then he gets that she gets to have him and then everyone lives happily ever after so that's a Harlequin romance. Now the original Harlequin romances, they published millions of these bloody things was just Out and it was pretty plain, you know G rated story. But since the 70s Harlequin has exploded and it's gone from you know, G-rated stories of the sword. I told you to like XXX versions and and they're all very popular and those sorts of stories are also reflected in female use of the internet. And so what you see is that they looked out Beauty and the Beast stories and there's five major protagonists and this is something I think is so absolutely comical. It just killed me when I first read it. Here's the five major guys in female x-rated pornography. Okay, we're wolf. Yeah vampire. Yeah surgeon. Yeah billionaire. Yeah pirate. So it's not funny man. Just blew me over but you know, it's not much different in some sense than the male archetypal story of confronting the dragon right? Because and I'll show you something from Sleeping Beauty that makes this very clear what I'll show you that today because you know if you think about it, so these are kind of bad guys. Well the word wolf in the vampire in particular, right? But there's the pirate sword up there too. And you might think we'll why would men like that figure in women's archetypal sexual narratives. And the answer to that is well. What the hell good is a man who can't be dangerous right? You think about that and you know, this bloody theme is played out in romantic comedies all the time. Think about there's there's the girl and she has a friend he's a guy he's kind of a guy that Never grew up. He's usually what's his name. There's a comedian Seth. Rogen is usually Seth Rogen, you know, he's kind of joseon. He's kind of funny and he's her friend, but he really wants to sleep with her and she knows that so she knows that he's not just her friend and he hasn't just her friend. He just likes to pretend that you know, and then there's the guy that she's interested in who's not like Seth Rogen and he's got an edge to him, you know, and then the story is usually well if plays out there's an interplay between those three characters and you know the set Rogan guys always going well, why doesn't she like me and the answer is well, you just watch him for ten minutes and you know, why part because she doesn't want a friend. She wants someone who's good for something and someone who's good for something as someone who's got a powerful Edge and part of what happens in the female archetype is that the female civilize has that at least in relationship to herself Okay, so And then well and then as far as I'm concerned, that's not much different. As I said already did the male hero myth. So I'm going to show you first. I'm going to show you something from Sleeping Beauty. So, let me just find it here. What's the universal video player you'll see? Yeah. Yeah, that's the one thanks. I got to download it because well they say strip this machine every night. And so you have to always download things over and over. so Okay, so let's talk about the structure of Sleeping Beauty for a minute. So there's a king and a queen. and You know, they live in a kingdom logically enough and they're trying to have a baby and that doesn't work out very well. And then all of a sudden, you know, after time passes they have this baby girl, and her name is Aurora. So that's sort of a reference to the sky obviously, right and you often see with archetypal characters that they're Affiliated in some sense with Cosmic phenomena. So for example, you know kings and queens have crimes right and then Different Divine figures have Halos. Well, there's not much difference between a king a crown and a Halo and the crown is the Sun a little points on it. Those are the Rays of the Sun or it's the Moon. It depends on whether the crown is made out of gold or silver because gold is a solar metal and silver is a lunar metal. And so when something is associated with the cosmos, that means that it's gone from the spirit purely personal to the to the impersonal or the Personal or the archetypal and the archetypal wouldn't be not your father. But the father as such like the spirit of the father, not your mother, but the spirit of the mother has such and so when you have the king in the queen, you have the Sun and the Moon you have the ruler of the night. They started the rumor of the night sky, you have the ruler over everything that the light touches and you have the transpersonal figures of mother and father. Okay. So now you see this in lots of movies and and Hero Stories in comic books. So the most commonly portrayed pattern is that the hero has two sets of parents, right? Harry Potter. He's got the dursleys and they make them live Under the Staircase and then he has his brother cousin. What's his name? What's that Dudley? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yes the long version of done so Dudley and you know, he's a bad brother. So they're actually the archetypal hostile Brothers Harry Potter heroin adversary and then he's got his ordinary parents and those are the parents that well they're real ordinary. They live in an English suburb and they're extraordinarily conservative and narrow-minded. They don't want anything to do with anything magic whatsoever. And then he has his Heavenly parents who are his Parents, right and they come back in spirit form now and then throughout the movie when he really needs them so Superman. It's got his Earthly parents in his Heavenly parents, right? If you go into on the Wikipedia and you look up orphaned hero, I think they have a hundred and sixty of them listed same Motif over and over. The reason for that is well. First of all, when you're a teenager one thing you think our is are these really my parents right? And so an answer to that is yes, and no. And it's yes in that obviously from a strict. Immediate biological perspective they're your parents, but from an architectural perspective. It's like well. You have parents going back three and a half billion years. Your parents are just the latest in a very very very very long line of parents. And so the reason you call your father dad or father, whatever you happen to call them is because it's in recognition of the fact that the role you the relationship with you. How do you have with him to some degree isn't personal its architectural? He's the father he plays that role for you and you know, you can even tell when he's playing it property because you might tell your friends, you know, my I don't have a very good father. Well, how the hell do you know that? You know, it's sort of like you've got this idea in your mind about what a good father would be like and if he's not doing that then it's not him, you know subject to your teenage in childhood misinterpretations. And you know, I have an awful mother. It's like real compared to what well compared to the ideal mother while you might say well just who is this ideal mother? Well, you can see her in religious representations all the time. So in Christianity, for example, you see your represented as the Virgin Mary who's the perfect mother and that's why she's a holy figure and she's he's a holy figure partly an archetypal figure. Let's say because any society that doesn't worship the mother and the infant dies. It has to be sacred because everybody starts everyone has that relationship and if the society doesn't support a property and value it properly then well, then there's something seriously wrong with this Society so Now Sleeping Beauty king and queen baby Okay, so we've got the we've got the familial Triad going there. So then they decided they're going to Christen your they're going to name her not sort of when she becomes an individual and they make a mistake when they're going to Christen her. What's the mistake you remember how many of you have seen Sleeping Beauty? Yes, and how many of you have it? Okay, so Of those who haven't have you seen other Disney movies. Have you seen other Disney movies? Lion King, okay anything other than that? Okay. Is there anybody here who's never seen an animated Disney Disney movie? Okay. Okay fine. Well, so you see how densely there wasn't anyone as far as I can tell you see how densely distributed throughout the culture those stories are you know, even though they you know, they're very very old stories. But even in a movie form, they're quite old for movies. Okay. So the mistake they make is they don't invite the way evil queen to the christening. That's Maleficent. Well, obviously there's a satanic undertone to that and you know that because she's got these black horns that she wears and but she's got this cape. That's basically on fire. You can tell that she's an evil person and so she's an archetype. She's the naked. She's the archetype of the negative feminine actually and it's a very very smart story. You think well, why would you invite something like that to your daughter's christening, especially if you've been waiting for her forever, and she's a real princess and everything is perfect. It's like okay. Here's another story. So as another archetypal story, so there's these kids their mother gets their father. I think it's divorced separates her as wife dies or whatever and so he picks up with this new woman and she decides she doesn't really like these kids very much and by that happens a lot by the way, so if you have a stepparent you are 100 times more likely to be physically abused. So it's the biggest single risk factor. It's up there with having a drunk parrot. So anyways Nasty little statistic, you know, it's hard enough to tolerate kids, but when there's someone else's kids then it makes it even more difficult and that's a Freudian observation and it's no joke and people are not that friendly and there's terrible jealousy like, you know, if a if a man and a woman start going out and the woman has children and the man is jealous and the children get in the way especially if they also bother him because maybe they're not that happy that he's not actually their father. Maybe he's just a creep for you know, you never know. Well the tension that can build up in a situation. In like that can rapidly become absolutely unbearable it can last forever. So anyways So she tells her new husband take those damn kids out in the bush and see if you could lose them. And so he's not very happy with this. But I guess he's wrapped around the finger of his new wife and not very bright and kind of evil on his own. So he takes the children out into the forest and leaves the Marin. So this is kind of hard on the children's like they're out in the wilderness, which is maybe how you feel when your mother dies and you know, your father goes and marries a new woman you're out in the bloody Wilderness and they get lost and then they're lost and they're all freaked out because they're lost and they're going to starve and wolves are going to eat them because this is like Medieval Europe forest and it's full of wolves and they eat people and so And they're wandering around out there and they come across a gingerbread house. Now if you're a skeptical person and you're not naive the first thing you think is this is too good to be true. It's like yeah house. Okay, fine a shack, maybe even a lean-to sure that could happen but a house that's also made out of candy. It's like nah, there's something going on there. That's not so good. You know the kind of person that's really nice to you. But really, isn't you remember again the Harry Potter series Member that woman she was a bureaucrat. She had a little plates of kittens. I'm rich Dolores Dolores means sad, right? I'm Bridge means to take offense. So she's the sad woman who takes offense and she's got all these pictures of kickings on her on plates right there on ceramic plates. And so those are like hyper sentimental like, oh aren't they cute at their own plates and everything and we'll put them on her wall. And you know, it's like really low end taste and the sentimentality is A facade you would call that a Persona of benevolence. But remember all Dolores Umbridge. She's not exactly your benevolent type. In fact, you know, you let her loose on the world and horrible things happen. What's her name? The woman who wrote Harry Potter she got that exactly right? It's one of her best characters, I think so. She's got that, you know, fake voice that you often hear people who actually don't like children use when they're talking to children who aren't you the cutest little thing like you You can actually talk to children and they actually like that and then they don't think that you know, you're possessed by something that they should run away from this fast as possible. Anyways, so Hansel and Gretel the woman comes out. She's all nice and she said, oh children, you're lost in the forest. Why don't you come in and have some gingerbread and so then she puts little Hansel in a cage like a Birdcage I think and she gets Gretel to do all the slavery stuff, you know, so she's not so nice. Then every day she goes she's stuffing them well with Gingerbread and then she goes and feels little hassles Lake to see if he's nice and plump so that she can throw them in the stove and eat him and what that means is that beware of people who are too nice to you because what they're trying to do is devour you and it's the prime dictum of Freudian Psychopathology. If you have a parent now Freud concentrated mostly on mother's because mothers are more likely to do this because for a variety of reasons that we're not going to talk about probably because they Oriented towards babies but whatever. If you're too nice to your child, and you do everything for them what happens to them? Well, then they can't do every anything for themselves. And so then what happens well, then they live in your basement till they're 50, you know, and then they get irritated one day and they shoot up Dawson college. So there's a deep metaphor in the story and the story is if it's too damn good to be true. It's probably aiming at your destruction. Okay now back to Sleeping Beauty. So Sleeping Beauty Aurora is going to be christened and they decide not to invite the evil queen to the christening. Now that's not a very good idea. One time I had this is a composite client. So this person all she wanted to do was sleep. So she'd sleep like 16 17 hours a day and she was doing that partly was sleeping pills because it's hard to sleep that much but left to our own devices. She would just sleep. Now. You might say well, why would someone want to do that? And then you could say well for the same reason that people drink themselves into unconsciousness and Oblivion, which is like it's painful to be conscious, especially when your life isn't going that well, maybe you're afraid of things and so why be awake and suffer when you can be unconscious and not Softer and so that was basically her idea and she was she was a vegetarian and she was terrified of butcher shops and she was terrified of raw meat and that was logical because she was sort of terrified of life and if you're going to be terrified of life, you really think about it. So the whole bloody raw meat part of life that you're more or less terrified by it. So that was very concrete ties to in her situation. And so I used to take her to supermarkets through the raw meat section because that's what you do in Psychotherapy in case any of you want psycho. Therapy, you have to do the thing you least want to do and so that's not particularly fun. That's the gateway to Enlightenment. You walk through the gate where you least wanted well, so now, you know why people aren't enlightened because it's not all fun and games and follow your bliss and all that nonsense. It's like figure out what you're afraid of and avoiding and confronted voluntarily. So anyways, I got a little background from her and her mother who I met who is definitely the evil queen. I mean she yelled at me. Like 45 minutes in my office. It was really quite remarkable. I hadn't had any one. I've only had one other person yell at me in my office ever and she was also definitely an evil queen but this woman she was just something else like it was just jaw-dropping to watch her perform and she used to phone up my client all the time three or four times a day and tell her how stupid and useless she was and so if you if you have parents that phone you up like every day and tell you how stupid and useless you are then it's perfectly within your rights to not talk. To them because that isn't what they should be telling you. So then you can say well, how about if I call you instead of you calling me and how about if it's once every two weeks instead of three times a day and how about if you say anything nasty, I just hang up and then I don't talk to you for a month and then you might say oh I couldn't do that to my mother and then I would say well that's because she already won. So anyways this girl her mother loved her to death when she was little she was perfect. She was a princess when she was little but then of course she hit puberty, you know. And that's the end of the whole princess thing because then of course you want to go out and have a life and maybe you know associate with boys and do all that sort of thing. That's not the least bit child princess like and that's when everything broke down and started to go in a very very bad Direction and that was partly because her mom didn't want to invite the evil queen to her little daughter's life because the evil queen is like the negative part of Nature and like if you if you have a little girl, well the probability that she's going to grow up and be A teenager and then a woman is pretty high unless you do something to seriously interfere with that which you might and so you bloody well better be prepared for that when she's three and not treat her like she's someone whose feet are never going to touch the Earth. You have to have the whole element of life in there. Right? I had another client her parents taught her that adults were angels and I don't mean metaphorically, they actually taught her that and in doing so they set her up for Various post-traumatic stress disorder which he had for about five years because she ran into someone who wasn't an angel surprise surprise and all he did to her roughly speaking was look at her like he wanted to kill her and you think well, nobody could be traumatized like that. It's like well a probably no one's ever looked at you like that. So don't be so sure but be if they did look at you like that and you thought that adults were Angels then you were pretty much nicely set up to have post-traumatic stress disorder. So Anyways, you might think that you're doing your children a big favor by keeping the evil queen out of their Nursery, but you know, you might let them see a glimpse of her now and then so they can get used to the fact that she exists, you know, and I guess that's why children have pets in part right? Because like mice they don't last very long. So you have a live mouse for a while. Then you have a dead mouse and that's not very good. But then there's some things that you get accustomed to. Well you're doing that and maybe it's not so good to protect your children from that because they're going to have to grow up and survive it. Awful world and your job isn't to make them happy your job is to make them able to survive in the nasty real world. Anyways, okay. So that's what happens with Sleeping Beauty at the beginning. It's like Hansel and Gretel and then the evil queen shows up anyways, because good luck keeping her out of your house and she basically says, yeah. Well, that's all well and good. I'm you know, there's nothing I can do about it, but common puberty roughly speaking in the Sleeping Beauty. She's going to prick her finger on a needle own eyes. Spinning wheels. So there's blood involved there. So we don't have to use our imagination too much to imagine what that means. It's like I'm going to come back and then all hell's going to break loose and of course then the parents really protect her which is exactly the wrong thing to do and what That's the Sleeping Beauty story. Of course, the prince comes along and he eventually figures out how to solve this problem. Like she needs him. He's a pretty good guy. Then the evil queen puts him in a dungeon. It's like her basement and then she's going to keep him there till he's so old that he can't even ride and he's been laugh at him as he tries to leave and then He tries to leave and she turns into a dragon. It's like what the hell? Why is she turning into a dragon? But you accept that's no problem course the evil queen turns into a dragon. What else would she do and then she you know spouse fire out him and he fights her off and then he has to hack his way through all the thorns and thistles that have gathered around the castle and then he wakes the girl up and The Fountains come back on and everyone's happy and you all think that's an excellent story so and it is an excellent story, but it's a weird story because it's an archetypal story and You understand it at an archetypal level. I mean, let me show you some of it and then and then I'll talk a little bit more about it. So. Let's look at the beginning to begin with. Oh, yeah. Sorry. This is this is a class. So I don't want you to actually enjoy the movie. So I'm going to play around with okay, so tell me about the book. Is the valuable book or not? How do you know hey it's covered with gold and jewels hit right there. There's something valuable about this. See you. Yeah, that way I guess. Yeah, it's a valuable book. It's called gold and jewels, why are why is gold valuable? It's rare. Yeah, it's like the sun looks like the sun's what else it's morally pure gold. Why because it does well, it is wealthy. It's morally pure because it won't mix with other metals. It doesn't mate with other metals. It's imperishable and it doesn't tarnish. So it's a symbol of Purity and jewels. Why are why are they beautiful invaluable forget about rare? Yeah, they're shiny but even crows can appreciate that. So what a shiny have to do with it. Do you think son? Yeah reflects light, right. So what do you want a good person to do? Well, maybe you might say that. Yeah. Yeah, they reflect light and the reason it's interesting because the reason the crystals how are the way they are translucent and reflect light is because their internal structure a crystal is a lattice of molecules. And then that lattice is precisely replicated everywhere in the Also, it's one thing all the way down to the molecular level. And so one of the things that you might think is that if especially if you think about that hierarchical model that we were talking about is that if you were as well put together as you could be and had maybe been subject to the right amount of heat and pressure that you would be the same thing at every single level of being and then you'd be solid and crystalline and you would reflect light and so So anyways, you get a hint right off the bat that this is that this story is valuable. In a Faraway land lived a king and his spare fully many years had they longed for a child and finally their wish was granted but daughter was born they called her Aurora. Yes, they named her after the dawn for she filled their lives with sunshine. Then a great holiday was proclaimed throughout the Kingdom so that all of high or low estate my pay homage to the infant princess and our Story begins on that most joyful day. And so to her his gift he brought and looked unknowing on his future bride. 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Is podcast is brought to you by what my reading the UK's most influential wedding brand. You comfortable? Yeah, look I've got a cushion under my bum. Hi, everyone. Charlotte's is getting yourself comfortable ready for a episode. This is the 26th episode of the podcast. Do you know that no, but I do now you do now so does everybody else and what are we gonna talk about? Today's of marks? No doesn't Mark the start of the series of episodes back Deco because we've already done I'll style haven't we we have so if you haven't listened to that episode yet and you're thinking about how you're going to style the aisle and go back and listen to that that was series 1 episode 5 Can find it on the show notes. We're hoping that every few weeks were going to be able to cover a new element of deck or aren't we? Yeah from flowers to outside Decor to lighten it such a and we're going to talk about today. She'll little at wedding-breakfast decal. So we'll specifically your table what goes on the table the chairs the rounding the table because actually it's quite a lot of guys honest there is quite a lot and it's all like one big table package, isn't it? Is it is? Okay. So should we start by talking about the chairs? Yes. I just can I just say to the list of that? I realized how this sounds yeah, listen to this great podcast. Was it about just just chairs? Just talked about plates, but you have to think about a see you. Do you have to think about all these things? In fact, if you have ever read the bought my wedding book your day away. I dedicated a whole double spreads which my editor at times like really go to having a litter picture around table and then all the items that are on it and labels explaining what they were so that the reader could get a really good idea. Idea, yeah of the layout how many things has to go on? It actually can be quite cramped. Yeah. And when your wedding venue ask you if you want the charger plate or something. You don't know what that is what you need to know don't you and then you have a charger plate of every single play and then another play in a side plate. Yeah and a wine glass and a Tumblr and a champagne glass and 13 for because I mean, that's a lot of stuff funny table. Where's the room for the centerpiece exactly and the wine don't forget the wine. Okay. So let's start with the chairs and we've not lost our minds. We promise we I presume that these days most venues have nice chairs. Don't we? Yeah, because when I got married it was not nice chairs this hey mine were black and blue nice but these days you don't really have to worry about the whole chair cover debacle is the most common jazzed to the venue's have is that very sort of like whitewashed wood. Yes spindly. Yes, and the other one. That's the bit where you put your bum. Yeah, the seat the seat bit is often. Like I say her natural linen. Yeah, they're very inoffensive on they well blend in with the background. Yes, it's me. But if you then you just have crappy chairs, then you can always hire those sort of chairs in. Yeah, you should have exactly and speak to you any about it. Yes. I have you got an alternative. Yeah, and can I have chosen? Yes, and who's going to sort that out do that for me when they arrive Etc. So we've just said that your chairs are probably absolutely fine as they are but you can use your chairs to add an extra element of Decor to your table, but you know, perhaps you don't want too much on the actual table, which is I think we would advise and we'll get to a little bit later in the episode. But you still want the impression of there being some really gorgeous deck or there are a few options open to you when it comes to using your chairs and the show notes. You can find links to weddings that show all these sorts of options as well. I'll be honest. There's going to be a lot of weddings in the show notes because I lied some just cracking table Decor over the years. I've seen students narrow it at long is long. I've tried to make it very diverse and full of different. Ins and you know budgets budgets and all of that sort of thing. So hopefully there's something in there to inspire everybody. Anyway flowers is an obvious one. Yes, and again somewhere the way you can possibly repurpose. So you might decorate the ends of your chairs in your ceremony brunettes at the end of each like yeah line, if you like to at the end of each line and then yeah, can you move those chairs into your wedding breakfast? Yeah. So two birds one stone. Yeah, or if you having chairs in your ceremony as a writing room you may have a You might yeah, so as all your guests in the ceremony are looking at the back of your chairs. Yeah, it might be nice to have something a bit squishy and fancy. Yeah, I'm literally like a Garland. Hmm. Then you can repurpose as you were saying earlier those particular chairs and have them as your chairs for wedding breakfast solutely and you could try and work it so that in your ceremony, you've got enough chairs with flowers on that when you move them to your wedding breakfast, it's like every other chair or something so you should only your coordinate in what the Design of your rooms going through like from real start to finish but we're all look for that repurposing. Wherever you can do that absolutely trying to it's going to save you money in the long run and less landfill less landfill and less time really it means you've lost only have to set up ones that have chairs and then that all just gets moved through. Yep to the other room. We need to do speak to you then you make sure they know exactly what the plan is. Yeah. Another popular thing. We see a lot is people add in signs for the back of the chair. So Mr. And mrs. History, mr. Mrs. And mrs. Such as cetera and again, they can be moved into your wedding breakfast room. Hmm. I think just bear in mind with that unless your seats are like in the middle of the room. Once you've moved to your wedding breakfast. No one's going to see that sign are they so it's you need to think about your setup for things like that like the flowers. Yeah aafrin and I know I know examples of where that's happened before. Yes, if you think about your positioning your Saviour having quite a traditional head table Yeah. So like my head table, for example our backs face the back wall. Yes, I'm so anything that was on the back of my shares was a big waste of time. Yeah, so make sure if you're going to spend money and spend time that people can actually see it. Yeah, so what if you've already maxed out on your flower budget you could use ribbons and there's different effects. You can create with ribbons. So you were saying about the most common chairs now being sort of those spindle E1 so you can sort of interlace the ribbon around the back of the chair quite a statement to it and also low Ribbons over the top or so but when I'm talking about ribbons, I don't just mean like a nylon ribbon you can get from your local market. There's so many different types of ribbon to create different effects. So you could use a raw silk or something like that, which is much softer more floaty bit more delicate again links to loads of weddings with examples of those in the show notes. So everybody can have a good look and see or think that would suit my burden or oh, yeah those bright nylon ones would actually suit my wedding really well, whatever you think another thing to consider is you could potentially have Of different chairs to everybody else if you want to make a bit of a statement about you know center of attention on a while. Yeah when my friend got married her and her new husband sat on Thrones. Why not because she thinks she's Victoria Beckham. If you can't if you can't do it that day. She didn't ask the crowd but you know, she did have the throne but it's just a way of adding another element to the deck or yeah, I think that's all about chairs. There's not too much you can really say about chair chair the chair, isn't it? She talked about table in an ex? Yes. Let's So I table in and I mean cloths Runners napkins any linen based products that you might put on again venues will have very plainly lens. Usually a white or Ivory table cloth. Same napkins not necessarily providing table runners at all. Yes unlikely. I think isn't it that they have I'd take donors. Obviously you might have beautiful tables, which you just want to leave as they are like a natural wood or something. Yes. Yes in like that and of course if you've got a trestle table, yes, I know around here. Able then the likelihood is they will be an actual word and to try and put a tablecloth on one of those. Yeah would be quite the challenge. Yes. So table runners basically. Yeah, it's about that would work for that particular style take yeah, you can still style your table without a tablecloth. Like you say using the napkins the runners Etc. Let's get into that a bit more about how you can actually do that. So A bear in mind that the linen that you use can completely transform. On the whole look of your room. So we've just said about having you know, normally it's a white tablecloth or whatever if you check much and changing all those white tablecloths to a pale blue tablecloth, the whole look of your room is going to be entirely different. So really think about if you want to go for some sort of color or Texture or embroidery or something like that and you tablecloths how it's going to have an impact on the whole thing. Yes the room big enough to take all of that all of those elements and it depends like their what's important to you. If you love fabrics and textures that you just say Saying yeah anything about I know you want to invest in hiring some embroidered tablecloths. Yeah, then that massively reduces the requirement for flowers. It's a you know, we've had weddings before where we've seen full-on sequin tablecloth. Yeah, which you know just look amazing and actually like you say, then you don't need so much to go on top a few candles and that is all you need. Yeah, if you have a very plain tablecloth, but you want to Vamp it up. We just talked about adding a runner to it. You generally will see In on a trestle table, so the long thin tables, but you can have them on round tables as well. There's no hard and fast rule about not being able to use them on a round table and Runners will come in lots of different types of fabric. So you can really create a field depending on what sort of fabric you go for. Yeah. Let's run through some fabric options. Shall we may be and then people will have an idea of what to ask for based on the sort of feel they want to create. Yeah and the look other theme and all of those things so, Satin is a very smooth fabric made of silk can occasionally look a bit shiny. So just be careful on the type of satin you go for but if you want that sort of look see sort of feel you could go down the satin root and the same with chiffon that's also made of silk. But sometimes it can come in a nylon. It's one of those you want to feel these things as well as when you feel them that helps you understand how it's going to look when it's all draped and all those sorts of things. So just check if you want the silk or the nylon chiffon version. It's really lightweight and it's got an element of transparency to it. So you get that drapey saw Yes vibe from chiffon again some cracking examples of that on the show notes. You could look at a brocade fabric which is where silks woven and that gives the fabric a little bit of texture. So it's not a lot of texture but it just gives a tiny little bit of something adds a little bit more Dynamic to the runner. You can look at valve it. Yeah, which is very in invert in Interiors, isn't it? Just so I mean everybody knows what valve it is. You've got it's got that really looks element to its soft. It's warm, even whatever color you have valve in it. It looks warm because it's got that texture to it. Obviously, there's cotton which is fairly informal. So again for you more laid back Garden E-Type weddings and things like that a normal cotton would be nice that there's nothing really to looks about cotton. It's not really giving off any sort of Glamorous Vibes but it works really well for more low-key head back. I didn't linen is also really nice choice some if you have a rustic you sort of wedding. We all know Linens got that nice texture to it, but it's like weights not too heavy and you can usually get Linen in a lot of Shades as well. It's an early Muslim. Yes, which we've had in quite a few shoots actually. Yeah, because that's very easy to style. Yeah and iterate and yeah, absolutely. Yeah, that's a great show and previously I'd mentioned Or silk when I was talking about the ribbons for the back of the chairs. It's got a really lovely movement to it. So if you're having quite a classic Whimsical e type of wedding, you can like rough little ruffle it and it looks so soft and you've got your files is or whatever it is you might have on your table. You can sort of drape it around them to know what I mean. So it's all really soft and light and feathery and dreamy like raw silk is really good for that cereal. Thank you going to use all the words. Thank you. And then the last obvious one is lace. Hmm because looks great as a table runner, especially if that's part of your whole aesthetic. Yeah them around for that. Yes, exactly all together. Yeah. Yeah your Veil all that sort of thing it can or type the lace can just tie it all together. I hope that's really helpful and has given you or some idea of the names of these types of fabrics. When you see them you now got an idea of old that might be raw silk or whatever and to give you an idea of the sort of cost for these items. This is very, you know, just from One Supply but to give you an idea we have a supplier in the list called SAS weddings where you can hire some of these items. So for example, they will hire out chiffon drapes for chair backs for three pound a chiffon table runner will cost you ten pound to rent from then so that gives you an idea of the sort of caution. Ten tables hundred quid. Yeah, but again that might negate some requirement for lots and lots of flowers. So it might work actually pretty cool exactly. So do a bit of research on these things have a look at all those weddings on the show notes and see if a runner is your thing. Or not if it's not another way that you can help bring color to your tables. Bring some texturing is through your napkins. So you mentioned already that you'll probably be provided with a white napkin from your Venue, but your napkins don't have to be one in a fold it going to roll it you are you going to sign up with some string or some ribbon? Yeah, they're gonna have those fancy shiny silver ring jobs that you can get over them. They might do might they Might have your little favors put on there you might have a little bit of piece of Decor on there, you know a flower or yeah or a sprig of eucalyptus which we know is very popular and and also they're not only a place for you to add interest in things to the napkins themselves can be interesting. So we see color pop napkins hombre died napkins or manner of things which really are so subtle but just really set the table deck off. Yeah. I know I keep going on about it, but in the show notes as wedding. As we're all those things are Shone so bright napkins patterned napkins all the sorts of napkins Under the Sun. I mean who knew I've gone through the archives and I was thinking wow, there's some really talented and creative couples over the years because some of the things I just think it looks so good. How do you come up with the idea of that for your table design? Anyway, you'll see for yourself when you've shown it. So next let's talk table. Where as in buses Crockery. Hurry, shall we go through what is a basic table? So let's do that. What's on the table? Basic Round Table eighth place settings. Yeah that you would have the good numbers neck because tens a bit over Europe in squash. Yeah, we do like an 8 8 seater in the middle. Yeah is whatever you choose for your centerpiece. Yes, you would then have ate dinner plates. Yeah eight side plates you would you would have a start of all kind of main fault. Look you wrote and also the dessert Fork and Spoon. Okay. Yes at the top of the plate. Yes. I'm still with you would have if you'll start a knife. I'm a knife. You would have a red wine glass. Yeah, a white wine glass of champagne flute. Yes and a tumbler for water. Yes, then of course, you've got your napkins and potentially favors Mmm Yeah. You see where I'm going with this I can see there is a lot of stuff. There's a lot going on for you then got a charger plate. Yes your dinner plates and they do look good because they just add some color and texture then you have to make sure that you've got the room absolutely to that as well as wives better than 10. Yes. You can obviously combine some of these things. So for example, you could place the napkin on the side plate and then you could tie that up in the past. We've just mentioned with twine or Ribbon or a sprig of something rose marine and lovely. Yeah, and that means that you're saving space, but you're also able to To add your personal touches in there as yeah, definitely and I think other things that are like ad hoc to what goes on the table depending obviously on what sort of food you have and all that sort of thing is like water dishes and condiments and the actual wine itself place-names the water jug the table number all of these things is a lot a lot of stuff and if you want to buy the book your day away available from Amazon and all good bookstores. You can refer to page 1 7 2 + 1 7 3. There you go, which explains all of this in detail? Yes. Yourself? Why not? This is Claire really want to be on the QVC Channel one day and I'm hoping that someone's gonna spot my talent when the body cuts and invite many things. I think you're you know, three quarters of the way down. I'd like to do a challenge for selling something of really absurd. Would you mind if we can hook that up to think anyone from QVC is listening if you are Charlotte's up for the challenge. Okay. So you've mentioned that we have potentially a charger play. You've got your dinner plate your side plate. Will they just be white or are you going to use your Crockery to bring a bit of personality? TT table, well, there's plenty of hire companies loads again, you know and you can have anything from mismatched China to super super Glam. Yes, you can scour charity shops vintage shops for amazing Crockery if you want to go for a bit of a mismatch that yeah and a lot of what we're talking about is venue based, isn't it? Because you might be completely planning or own back Garden wedding all yet hired a free space somewhere. Yeah and having TPS or whatever. It might be or Marquis. Yeah, and then essentially this kind of like the world's your oyster. Susan it with regards to make Trinity higher ed and how you want everything to look. Yeah. Definitely another good way to add some color and interest your table Decor is through colored glass where yeah, so wine glasses water bottles. The Tumblers could be a different color and adapt to be like wild multicolored glass is I mean, they can be if you want them to be but they don't have to be and I remember when we went to atoms but in Adam is our creative director. They had a really subtle blush-colored. Yes. I just may say that It looks so lovely just added a bit of warmth to the table and say yeah and so Stark. Yeah and I'll always remember that was that they were they looked really really effective. So that's another thing to consider again. You could go collecting or you could hire those in he also had while we're on the subject of his wedding which was gorgeous and obviously in the show notes. That's Elysian Adams Wedding if you want to see what Adam looks like he had ombre candles on his tables as well. Do you remember that? Yeah, they were like Russia coppery sort. Hombre, yeah, they were really nice. So you need to go to the show notes to Charlotte and refresh my memory myself and then there's Cutlery which is sort of finishes off this section of table where you are likely to be provided with a bog standard silver Cutlery from your Venue, which all catering company whoever is if you're hiring people in which is fine. Hmm. It's one of these things where you can change that and you don't have to have the silver. You can hire in Gold bronze black just one practical note here. Yeah. He's one guy. Please do make sure you check the actual Cutlery if you're writing in okay, because I know a little story. Is there a story here? There's a story here where I am and this is what you have to be careful of with. This thing is is it's not all style over substance because people are have to use the cutlery that's very true. And there was an example where the main life was really a butter knife. Oh and they had steak. Oh dear how how does date knives? No. Because they didn't come in quite a day. Oh, right. Yeah, so then they had to go and get these great big steak knives. That's what was available that on the venue. That's such a good tip to think about what you're you know, oh, wow. Okay noted Okay. So we've covered chairs Linens and tableware the next thing to look at that you may have on your table is your stationery. So what station you might you find on your table? So table number or name which we've mentioned Place cards, which we have also mentioned menus. You may also have some adult things often. We will see sparklers people put their sparklers for later on their table settings which sort of double up as a bit of a piece of Decor because they often have a piece of paper to go along with it to explain that you'll be lighting the spark. Was it 7:30 or whatever it might mean or maybe you're providing some sort of like mini quiz for your guests. Keep them occupied during the dinner or perhaps you have implemented a speech Kitty where everyone throws in a pan and guess how long the speech is going to be you might have paper or whatever it is for that also on that note that speech Kitty should go back to the bride and groom. Yeah, just FYI. We know we know that if you win don't be greedy and there's 200 guests and you got to and your quiz. Yeah, why are our drinks? Yeah shop for everybody by a nice bottle of champagne for the my degree. Yeah these go back into the wedding just me. Let's get there for all your guests are listening. Okay, so aside from having table names or numbers that match your stationary so you could have those, you know printed as you would with the rest of your stationary. You can also make a bit more of your table names or your numbers. So we've seen names and numbers ranging from ideas, like spray-painting wooden numbers obviously with spray paints so great way to go because you can make it really fit your theme so you can get more industrial sort of spray paints more pastel colored spray paints all those sorts of things. We've had acrylic signs that could be like the underground all these Amazing Ideas that people have used still has a budget perspective as well. Yeah, if you are paying for a stationer to do everything for you. Yeah, there's ways that you can combine everything so menu. You don't need to give everyone The Table menu. You just have one menu in the middle of the table that everyone can sort of pass around every other seat. Yeah, you could have your place name, which could have the menu. On it or you could have some kind of Decor that is the name of the table rather than having. Yep a number that's done a certain way again, which negates the need for other kind of Decor. Yeah, again, there's examples of this in the show notes, you know, people are using black mini flags all sorts of things, which really just does add that extra element. Yeah, and and it's thinking about okay, how do I personalize it yet? How do I make it fit into my budget and Provide all of the information to my guests that is required. That's right. And I think if you're struggling to think of how to display your table number your table name or your place car on a great way to decide how to decorate your table is to think seasonly as well, which can help you come up with some great ideas. I mean we've seen things from Summer weddings with Lemons with names pinned into them, which again is in the show notes for all. Often weddings, we've had people use pine cones to display their place cards all these little ideas when you sit down and you think about the season it can really inspire you with some really great ingenious ideas. So if you're struggling with a theme just thinks he's in the about what's available and the time that you're getting married what will work and you know, if it's a winter wedding maybe you want snow globes or something like that. You can get really creative with them seasonal decor and the other thing is as we've said before is your wedding should Reflect your personality. So think about the things you enjoy, you know, the things that mean something like music like music like maybe into ballgames perhaps you could use Scrabble tiles for your guests name vinyl or vinyl if you're really into music all these little things just really think about yourself and what means something to you and that will really help you come up with the themes and the deck or let's talk about centerpieces the main of our just a small caveat. Yep. They need their own podcast. Where are they? Yeah, they do because there's so many different options and varieties and yet we do do more of these episodes that are more specific to ideas and creativity rather than practical planning. Yeah, whereas this episode is more about practical planning. Yeah. So okay centerpieces. You have to work out how much room you have and dude. I've been to a couple of weddings where the brides are said the opposite of what you might think. I'm about to say. It's not it's not that they took up too much room, right but that they didn't have enough. Oh, right. It's in the Bob's. Oh, right. The fat was just barbell the space. Okay. Now this will depend on the other items. You have no table. Yeah, how big your table is? Yeah, which is why I would always recommend if you are booking a venue or indeed if you are hiring yet, I tables feel Marquee or TP or whatever it is to have a demonstration. Or go to a wedding fair, if it's of any new and see for yourself the size and dimensions of that table how they stack the chairs how they set up the plates and forks and all the rest of it and knives and spoons just so you don't think I'm suggesting it just have a thought although you can if you want because your day Your Wagon that's why I was saying so you have a look at the table and its entirety so that you understand how much room there is yep makes sense. So when the wedding each table had a And peace are nice. Which I think is great. Yes again, you might have lots of ideas and not be outside on one. Yeah, so have 10 love that why not and this particular wedding had all different types of silverwares like goblets and everything that that from antiques shops that they scoured lots of amazing books because they really like books and amongst all the silver and books were different sort of but of ours is and things like that, right, but they just felt they didn't have quite enough. Okay, fill the space, right? Okay, which brings me on nicely to you? How do you feel the specs if you're really into florals and you are relying heavily on your florist is good to have a florist. The either is familiar with your Venue. Yeah, or they at least go and see the space that you've got yet. If you read the book you'll day away. I'm so sorry. I've mentioned this so many times as possible. I think that's just the way it's found out. Then you will see lots of different ideas for yeah centerpieces. And the way that we have styled it which might give you some ideas for your own wedding. Yeah, you do not have to have the same centerpiece for each take you do not know to make your room have lots of interest you could consider having different heights. So allows ndp's High centerpieces. Yeah thing about high centerpieces is Becky that just be careful. You're not blocking. In the view across the table because but you know, you have this asthmatic more annoying no massive wide thing and you can't see days and you know, you don't want to remind have a lot of jokes. Yeah, you don't want to run the risk of one of your guests trying to shift your Center piece actually assessing how so yeah, just saying it's just being aware that if you do put some sort of big pillar in the middle of your table. You could have a strict the pillars and it also might restrict some of your guests being able to see you at that if you've got that sort of Layout of top table at the back of the room. It's going to restrict some guests from being able to see you and you're doing speeches and things like that. Yes, just being careful of the varying height. It might get in the way of photographers videographers exactly that sort of thing. And also if you have got your bits and Bobs, you know different people might move them aside. Yeah, and then you've got you know, you goblets Nev ours is to one side. Yeah your books to the side menu just got Dave's face you have little he's such a attention seeker isn't mine. No, grief, when we say you've not got enough. I don't want to worry people. Yeah, as in you have to spend loads of money. You have to have 500 things on your own you want a but it really is about looking at that space. Yeah and working out how for you personally you can incorporate your personality in there the things that you like whether that's you know, you really want to concentrate on the stationary. Yep, or the flowers and you can do all those things without having to have a full table, you know, we see a lot Trestle tables that you know the deck or runs the whole length of the table down the center and it's there's a lot you have little clusters. You can do it in small clusters that sort of how I did mine because I had Trestle tables and I did mine rather than running the whole length. I had books and tea pots and vases and things on my table centerpieces and I just did sort of five clusters going down the table rather than having it at full health, which look amazing, obviously, but you then looking at That it cost you more money. You've got less space for you salt pepper and all those little things. Yes Emeritus. Yes, of course sometimes more isn't more sometimes less is more. We've got some yeah examples of that as well. We have and in terms of Bud vases. Yeah single stems. Yeah, they never go out of fashion. Like they never do you can pick seasonal flowers and or foliage depending on when you're getting married. Yeah it is. Very very reasonable. Oh, yeah, and if you're doing a DIY wedding, you can literally you can do it yourself you have and we've got a tutorial actually, haven't we? Yes, that's fairly recent. So we're going to link that in the show notes. So Lisa are used to all of our DIY tutorials. She did this like beautiful example actually their own in her own back Garden. Yeah just shows how it's impacting table that shows you just how easy it is. Exactly another really great example of where less is more and not overdoing it works really Ali well is Laura and Richards winter wedding which again is on the show notes she will be the bride in the red dress. Hmm, which is something we see very rarely but done so so well and you can see how they've achieved a really subtle and inexpensive but luxury looking table design with very very minimal stuff a way to make a big impact is to have a hanging insulation. Yes. Now these are twofold Because you literally can have them hanging from the ceiling you can if you've got a marquee or venues that allow this. Yeah, so please check before they're obviously going to need some sort of rigging or don't Zoom. Yeah, or you can have an installation where the florist provides the technical term for almost like a standing up pole. So literally on your table you have to vary in obtrusive standing. At polls. Yeah that to have a bar across the top. Yeah where you would have your florals and or foliage, that's right. And then you have a completely free table and it looks so good. We it says two examples on the show notes of this where they've used almost rectangular stands if you like their metal and I'm assuming that underneath those is some sort of bar ryusei and then the florist has just installed the flowers a top that So you can see everything because there's nothing getting in the way of your vision and it looks so impressive but it's not in the way of anybody either now, you can see straight across the table yet really really impressive and a great way of getting that same aesthetic of a hanging installation. But without having to actually hang anything. Yeah, if that's something that really intrigues you when you go to the show notes to look at all. The weddings are is a inspiration shoot called naked teepee. So they feature in that. At and there is another inspiration shoot called fairytale wedding inspiration. So you can see examples of what we're talking about. I realized that deck or is a very visual thing. Yes. It's difficult. We're talking about it. Cause what we're talking about is quite tricky, but I promised literally every single thing were talking about. There isn't a show names on the show notes for you and it's all relative as well like determing by what is important to you. So if you're really into flowers and that's where you'll spend is going to go. Yeah. On insulation because if you're using the same room for your wedding breakfast as you are for your evening entertainment, for example, whether that's a marquee or the particular room in event you that you've chosen. Yeah, the installations can stay there. Oh, yeah for the whole duration yet. Whereas if you have a free-standing centerpiece in the middle of a table and those tables get moved up quite yet those centerpieces don't become part of your evening entertainment then do they and it's one of them gets shipped off somewhere else. Yeah, and if you've got something like this tall sort of installation. We talked about all hanging installation. You can also install lights into it. So actually when it goes darker they become another feature you can switch them on and and that's the same goes for actual on the table centerpieces as well. It's another element to think about deck or into the evening. This is not just for the day is an element of you know, another little bit of light so people can see what's going on on the table and just creates an atmosphere doesn't it? And also again it's seasonal isn't it? Because you're having a winter and Autumn wedding obviously gets Come it's quicker. Yeah, so then light is much more important absolute having you know, a dude wedding. It's like till 10 p.m. Yeah. Okay. So what about the more eco-conscious amongst us now then because we love a dual purpose. Oh we tighten. Oh we do so you could have your centerpiece as homegrown herbes indeed lots of greenery. Yeah, we guess can take some home and also with her ABS you're adding. During fragrance fragrance like a whole other dimension. Do you I mean how exactly they can be really strong sense sometimes which yeah, just again add to the whole immersive experience of your wedding. It's lately succulent. Yep, small small small. Yes, you know little tiny teeny teeny sections or group together again repurposes a favor exactly home. Yeah. They look really effective don't they are especially when you say The smaller and you can sort of have varying Heights of small and anyone can take one back with them when they leave absolutely another wedding that has always stuck with me what my wedding they had edible centerpieces. So I will read a quote from the wedding and it will make sense to you as to why it was edible. It was from Minerva and Eric's wedding and they had lots of like you've just said herbes and had lavender and things like that that people could take away with them at the end of the day. Yeah, but on some of the tables they had crates that were filled with vegetables. I know that sounds really bizarre again, very visual thing. I promise you looked amazing and they said and yes, we're invited to snack on centerpieces during the reception and take the plants home to plant in their Gardens and as a dietitian Minerva wanted people to have healthy snacks available during the wedding. They were Chili Peppers artichokes nectarines apples radishes puzzlement cat and carrots or which came together so beautifully, And honestly all these things were creatively put together in crate and they looked amazing. And then the idea is that you just you know, grab a carrot if the mood should so take you it's so clever no waste and people take like you were saying about herbes. You can take them home. You can plant them. You can keep them on your kitchen window sills or all those sorts of things and if you think about it as well like so many favors from not that long ago if you think about it almost like people did it for the sake of it. Oh, yeah, and they're not reuse know. Organza bags that are just adding to landfill. Yeah, which we don't support know. So if you want to give somebody something to take away with them either make it something that's really really personal that they are going to keep forever and that you think is important to you. Yeah, or make it something that they can grow. Oh, absolutely. I would love that. Yeah, even like a packet of seeds. Well, it's real favorite flowers. You know something that they can grow in their garden and that is the memory of your wedding and that's amazing. Yeah. So let's just recap what we've covered. Obviously, we've just mentioned this is a very visual thing. So it's really important that everyone goes and has look at at least some of the weddings on the show notes to give them some inspiration. There's also some very specific articles on the show notes about place settings for weddings and what each guests needs and just general styling tips for how to design your wedding breakfast and then obviously you've mentioned the book Loads of styling tips for the wedding breakfast in there as well. So if you want to get that you've mentioned you can aside from that. We have talked about chairs. If you're not happy with the one supplied by your Venue. Remember you can hire them into better suit your theme or you can decorate the existing ones to make them look a lot better. Yeah, where's the Just Flowers of ribbon to really easy ways of doing that. It's about you don't have to have your venues tablecloths again similarly to the chairs. If you want to really change the look of your room consider adding color or Texture with your tablecloths and you can hire those in and runners. And Runners we talked about the varying types of materials you can get to create different looks with your table runners Runners also a great alternative to tablecloths if you don't have the budget to do both. So remember if you just got plain tablecloth, but you want to juice you up a little bit table runners a bracelet doing eat with with the surface of your table Yeah, if it's very natural wood or perhaps it's I don't know some venues have all sorts of exciting things like concrete. Yeah, whatever it might be and you have a charger plate so, you know people are not Checking their food leave the table, but then they've had a few just saying it happens. Then that's not turns off as well. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah and like you say feel free to keep your table as it is. Yes, a beautiful natural wooden table may not need runners or any of that stuff on there. Don't forget your napkin if you don't want to make as big of a statement as a fully colored tablecloth, you may want to add some extra color or Texture with alternative napkins embroidery embroidery lace lace nice little Oh fringing and Bray. Yeah, all that sort of stuff. And then remember that your stationary will add an extra element of Decor. So we said you could do this using Place cards. So the cards themselves add to the decor anything that they're on so whether that be a cork or a pine cone or any of the other things that we've mentioned and menus as well. So you mentioned previously it could be menus in the middle of the table every other place setting every place setting a great example of how a menus been used to add to the Go to the table is least one Christa's wedding. So they will be in the show notes to so if you're trying to think about your station route this moment and how it can add to the table Decor. There's a great one to see how that works. And if you're listening to this, you might just really like stationary. Yeah rather than flowers exactly foliage. Yeah, so don't you know don't focus on the fact that you are it's my wedding. I have to have some flowers and I spend lots of money. Yeah just spend on the stage to me and said yeah it goes back to advice is like, yeah. To pieces or the cutout acrylic centerpieces. You don't have to have floors. It's really what you want. Yeah. I mean I said that you're trying to create absolutely so my sister she had a hanging garden in her Marquis from the ceiling mostly foliage, but it had sort of like peonies things but quite sparse so that it kept the costs down. Yeah. Therefore her centerpieces were very large candles. Yeah surrounded by Greenery. Perfect. Very inexpensive. Yeah, and that was what she wanted. So as far as the Marquis went look of it was you know, yeah lovely hanging garden very Luxe you Ruth. I love that phrase, but their reality of it was actually she really kept cost down by choosing that particular method of here florals. Yes, I do. Yes look at ya and as talking about centerpieces, just remember that sometimes less is more you need to make sure you've got room for all the other stuff that you need on the table. Now that we've talked about Like a Knife and Fork because they're quite important integral get creative with the heights that you're using on your table. And if you're getting stuck for ideas for deck or always think seasonally or back to things that make you happy. Yeah, you enjoy as a couple. Yes, and I think we have waffled on for quite a long time and now you've all got to go to the show notes and look at the 4,000 workers of oh my goodness. There are so many examples on You know, I mean put aside an evening get yourself a cup of tea. That's the one dog lost a wine yet and or water whatever you want because you know, you're hydrating to get that skin looking fresh last day. So that's it. And I mean Inspire away. Yeah go for it. Make all those notes and just have your day your way and we'll see you here in two weeks time. We built. Thanks again for all your feedback really appreciate all the DMS and all the emails if you've enjoyed this episode. Other episodes we'd love a little review on Apple podcast. If you wouldn't mind a little five star rating and yeah, thanks very much. Thank you this podcast was brought to you by Becky and Charlotte from Rock my wedding the UK's most influential wedding band for more content. Visit rock my wedding got code at UK follow us on Instagram at rock my wedding or by the book your day your way from Amazon or any leaving book retailer. This podcast is produced by we are The Clarks

Are you starting to plan the design for your wedding breakfast decor? From what each guest needs to how to get the most from your centrepieces, you'll find it all in this episode. The longest part of your day is spent around the tables at your wedding breakfast so you want them to be perfect for you and for your guests. The girls talk typical table set ups... You know, all the forks. There's laughs about linen and chat about chairs and then the piéce de resistance... the centrepieces. Now you know, centrepieces probably need a whole episode of their own but the girls talk about how to find inspiration for your table decoration and how to execute it perfectly. From flowers to fruit and everything in between get ready to be inspired and be sure to check out all the weddings over on this episodes show notes. And don't forget about our Pinterest where you can see centrepieces by wedding style or see our dedicated chairs and table settings boards. Oh, and if anyone has any contacts at QVC… Be sure to let charlotte know ;) Enjoy you gorgeous lot. Check out the show notes page to see couples who really had their days their way and let their personalities and personal style sine through.

What's up, ladies and gentlemen? Hope you're having a fantastic day so far. Hope you're having a great start to the week. Thanks so much for tuning in to the 40th episode of the footballers Journey podcast today. I got a special guest on he was actually the first guest on the footballers Journey podcast think it was about two years ago.When he was playing for Annie shopping beside NE in the third tier division one of Swedish soccer. Now as you'll hear he's playing for one of the biggest clubs in Sweden who used to play in the out Fennekin one the Swedish League about four times called Hempstead BK. This is one of my best friend's is name is Samuel kroon and you guys will hear clearly and episode how much he deserves to be where he's at and how How far he's come, he's one of the most disciplined and professional individuals I've ever seen and I'm so glad to see his progress and his process throughout his career and I can't wait to see the rest of his progress getting to the top levels of professional football. Please enjoy the episode. Yo, y'all good what's up, brother? What's up? Yes, good. How are you? Chill man Chillin good to have you back on the podcast the 40th episode man. I remember we had you on episode one. Yeah, I remember to have got to be back from of course man. A lot has changed since then, uh very much very much for both of us for sure, bro. So yeah, man, I mean for the people who don't know the men killed. I know they sure they've heard on the Instagram stories all over about the man come but for the people who don't No, the famous carrot if you can just introduce yourself, you know your name how old you are where you're originally from where you're currently playing your position. And then now we're just going to ask you a little bit about your journey of signing a perfect first professional contract. And yeah, we'll just move on from there. All right? Yeah for those who don't know me I'm clear on my real name is Samuel kroon and I'm 23 years old. Originally from about can be a little bit outside of Stockholm and hold of Stockholm. Yeah, one of them know is now it's all over there. But I'm sure they heard about the reloads all this stuff. Yeah, but I play as a Winger and right now I play Hound stubby Kaye and the Swedish super upon the the second tier I just signed coma Cool big congrats on that and you know being a good friend. I really have seen your growth and like will talk about and when we get to the you know middle part of the important discipline is played a role and just following a routine has played a role in your success. I'm grateful to have seen the growth over time. I appreciate that bro. Thank you very much. But if we if you can just tell us, you know a little bit of the behind the Seems when you when you signed your first professional contract, how'd it go? How'd it go? How'd you go about it? When you sign old you where where you signed and like I played the four years before I sign here in division one in the Swedish and third tier and you see that that's like see my professional the for the ones who listened to the first podcast. They know that I had like a part-time job beside and you don't make so much money in the in the third tier. So most of the people they work or study on the site. So that's what I've been doing. Now for four years. I signed it with Nisha thing for years ago do she won and since then I've been like working and studying a little bit beside of the football and now this year very recently. I just signed like My first like real professional contract where I can be full-time football player in Hong Kong stock in the second tier. Sounds good, man. Yes, I think it will be a very good comparative for people to listen to and here I think we'll first touch on, you know, kind of A Day in the Life at home start and then we'll compare it a little bit to me shopping to give players an Insight on how like the League's differentiate and how they're different. Current just to give them some extra motivation and to key them in on what really goes on behind the scenes and it sounds good. That would be very interesting for for everyone to hear I think because like I slowly like go and develop myself and I always try to like players as good and as high as possible so so I'm sure like a day in Life here in homestays is very very nice now. So I hope it can motivate like people to to keep on training and keep on being disciplined to to reach a decent level and go from there. Yeah, man, and also I think will constantly re-emphasize and show people and I remember when you were in Israel tell my roommates, they're both young guys that you know, they see, you know the big they see that you're playing for a big club now and You know, they asked you about how things were gone. I remember you kept telling them that it's not easy. It takes a lot of time and I always kept told them, you know when you weren't around and what you want to were around that, you know, you put in a lot of work behind the scenes were very disciplined and what you always did and always, you know professional in a way that you approach the game and like you said it took, you know for five years to secure. That contract you know, yeah, like like you say it's it's very tough. Like especially me. Like I've always been like talented but not like super talented. And also I was very like late in my in my life how I grew I was a very very small and very tiny as a kid, so I didn't really like got the chance early so I had to work really hard and I be like working myself up. Up in the Swedish system from like division 3 which is the fifth tier 2 division one, which is the third tier and notice the retina, which is you can say it's professional level. So so like in like you said, I've been very disciplined. For example, when I played in lower leagues I train a lot on my myself, but not only a lot but smart and I might try to learn as much as possible so I could perform as good as possible and And yeah, I take some tips from everywhere and very much from you. You've been like a big part in in my growth in that way and I'm very honest about that because like especially with like everything outside of football with the nutrition with the with sleep and with the mindset then and everything is very very important in whatever you do in life. Like it's not only football. It's so much around it and that Is and that's really what I've learned especially these last two three years how important it is sweet with everything. So for sure now and I'm grateful to be a part of it and what I can also tell the audience and I told you before what I'm very impressed all the time. Is that even when you were acne shopping, it's a good club. They play good football and it's a good standard but it's not it's not like player or players are full-time players, so You can get stuck in that mindset of other players who are you know, they act like they're good. They're good players. They have the talent they have the ability, but they don't put in that extra work to actually develop and get to a club like calm stata legendary Club, but one thing that you always did that stood out to me and I think this stands out to other players who are professional themselves and other coaches who are very serious about the game Andres. Spect serious guys who are passionate and really love the game. I mean you always acted like you're out of big Club, even if you were it were a tiny shopping. We don't consider a big Club you acted like you were at one of those big clubs and I always try to reiterate that the people that no matter where you are. You can always create yourself a professional environment, you know. Yeah, it's very very true like and I always liked you can may be that extra like training. Will not get you like so much better. Yes that one extra training. But if you like put them all together, it's a lot like for example, if you do if you do one extra training per week, it's so many extra trainings per year and mobile carriers, maybe hopefully within 15 Layla around maybe 15 years. And if you do only one extra training per week for 15 years, that's so much extra it hassle that way and people are so stressed than and they want to get up so quick. But yeah, I think one very important thing is to like take it day by day. And then I'm like like you say always like like do the best of the day and big things will come absolutely it's just a sec. Yeah now that's a key point. And that's one thing. I really learned from from Sweden. You know, I remember when I first came in an eShop and when I was in Germany, I was trained in six seven hours a day. and I remember, you know, the coaching nice shopping pulled me in and said, you know, we got a focus on your workload and really start to work smart instead of hard and you know, I went back that night and I was like kind of not pissed but I was like, what is he saying, you know because I come from America always want to work hard, but eventually I really did learn like you just said right there that putting in, you know, the extra 15 20 minutes a day every day is really Lee what adds up in the future like you said, you know putting in 15-20 minutes per day six days a week adds up to an extra hundred twenty minutes. Yeah, it's makes a huge difference. Absolutely not and that's like two training sessions. Yeah, it's so much I know and then and it's the same with everything it's with nutrition with sleep and with everything like like you can eat McDonald's today before I game and maybe it will play very very good, but it will not in the long-term life. It will not be good. That's that it's a key. Like like if you eat something unhealthy once a week after 10 years, that's a lot of unhealthy food. But if you not it, it's no unhealthy food. So like you need to people need to see like more far far ahead or City to take like every day day by day and make the best out of it and then good things will come like like maybe takes five years maybe takes ten years, but if you do, Everything's right. Most probably it will come sooner court and even like we were talking about just before you know, share with the listeners not the details, but we were talking about women and relationships, you know, everyone wants to you know, everyone wants to wants to put on a show for people for the outside to see you know, like and I think this occurs really and I think you can agree with me a really occurs a lot in football like, you know, you post a picture here you're at this. Of and it's not as good as where you want to be. So you don't want to show it and you get embarrassed instead of like you said focusing on being the best player at that club being the best player at that training every single day. That's what will get you to Big clubs. Yeah. It's so much so many people laid. They just want things to look good all the time and they maybe know what's right for them, but they don't know they don't do what's right because it doesn't look as good. And I think like especially when I was younger, it was more common that for example some young players. They played in the youth teams in aik and these really big clubs and and some other players may be played in lower league clubs, but played maybe with grownups and took that way and the players that played in The Academy team stay they thought oh, it looks so good. I think I had a meeting, but maybe that wasn't the best step for them, of course and then more when they couldn't make it to the first team. They didn't want to like go to smaller clubs because they were too proud and that's when were under the career fucked up. So I think what people need to be less proud and do what's best for them and Court it step-by-step and like focus on the long-term goal instead of just focus on Instagram and and focus on like what people will think about you right now, of course, of course and like we always talk about first of all what I hear in that is First of all, everyone has their own path. Everyone takes their own path and second of all the most important thing is being happy inside like as long as you could be look in the mirror and you're happy with what you're doing from the inside. That's what really matters that interior happiness. Not the exterior happiness showing people you have this showing people you have that because that's just insecurities and what I also wanted to point to I think you keyed it in nicely there. I You said to me I think you were taught you were talking about a couple guys who you know, we're playing in a ik when they were Youth and you know thinking they're big shots and they stop playing the game early and I think that that's very interesting as well. And even like you said in the beginning like oh, yeah, you weren't the biggest guy, but I think I think like accepting the cards that you were dealt and making yourself like Using that to the best of your ability. That's what really makes you the player makes you unique because for example, maybe if you were when you were younger you were this big guy this and that and you use your power maybe wouldn't have developed your Technique, you know, you're cutting into the left foot you're cutting with the right foot and maybe you wouldn't have developed that and then people would have caught up. So I think instead of like saying, oh, why me. Why am I small maybe I think it's best to key in on the strengths of your game and really developed that because eventually that's going to catch up when you grow for sure. That's a very good point like for for all of those young kids out there that that maybe not so accepted in the in the football world that maybe not playing for national teams or or like big teams in young age. Just just keep playing and keep developing like you say on your strengths and then when you grow as a person and gets muscles getting After getting stronger, you you will you will lay you will be catching up on this big guys because like you said they are not working on there like qualities as much because they have it easy. So for all of those that has like a tough time in maybe the Aged between 13 and 17 just put just keep on playing and and like be patient be focused and disciplined and good things will come. I'm sure. Yeah, man, absolutely and like you just said I think being grateful for not having it easy. It's hard in the present moment. But if you just take it in and accept it and you just work every single day like we just talked about and you're consistent with it over time. You're going to overcome those obstacles and you're going to be thankful in the future for having those obstacles because like you said, I've seen it many times. I'm sure you have there's a lot of players who get their asses wiped and they don't work hard and they Stay complacent. They don't work and they sit on their Laurels. They sit at home and they don't do that extra work because you know, they think they don't have to and eventually it catches up to them. Yeah, so so true. Yeah, man, I mean gray tangent there. But yeah, man, if we could just if you could take us through a typical day in the life in season at Homestead, you know, it'd be great for sure. I would love to it's it's very very professional environment. We I'm gonna get through like a now we're in preseason. So I'm gonna get this through like a normal week in preseason. And so we trained nine times per week. So it's very tough now in preseason and we a lot of load and we focus a lot about strength and conditioning to get fit to season. So what we are doing basically a normal week is we we Stop every day at 8 latest 8:30 for breakfast. So we eat at the restaurant in the arena and then we go and have like a tactical meeting for for the day where we go through maybe some things we're going to work on in the training for the day and yeah tactics and we go through some some basic stuff and what we're going to do this week and what we want to work on and then we go to the Dress. Then we go to the gym for Activation and that's very important. That's key to activate your body before you going out to the picture you are prepared. So you you minimize the risk of getting an injury. And so we go what time is it? It's like 9:30, I would say normally and what type of training is meant to you you incorporating individual base there. This is the physio run you through it and efficiency are there and he's a very good physio one of the best teams. Naevia and he runs through like he has some basic movements that were doing for example a lot of mobility and a lot of balance but then also he individualized a little bit. For example me. I'm a little bit stiff in my hip. So then we do some special movements for that. Then he can he can help me with it. So so it's basically the same for everyone but if you want to work on something extra you do that, but it's a lot of Mobility a lot of balance and just yes. Get your body going and you're and you're like nervous system for sure. And when we do that that takes maybe 15 minutes. Then we go by car right now to Turf Arena because the grass we have three grass pitches as they are re not that we train on normally beside the big big field, but right now the weather in Sweden is too bad. So we play on Turf and train them Turf and that pitch is maybe five minutes away from the arena with car. So we go with car and then we train for approximately one and a half hours normally and in our trainings we do a lot of a lot of like technique a lot of possession a lot of passing drills a lot of ideality drills. And then right now we focus a lot about with one. We once very intense trainings 3 with Row 3 because they want to put a lot of load of us and then sometimes after practice we we run on the field as well. And then we come back to the arena. We undress we shower how long is your training usually around one and a half hours. So it's a little bit different from from day to day and depending on what you want to do. But approximately one and a half hours and then we come back we shower we dress we go for lunch. And then we come back latest 145 and we have session to and 2:30. And there's sometimes it's an extra football training and then often if we do to football trainings, the second one is a little bit easier and and we focus more up on our tactics and and stuff like that. But also a lot of times we have Jim Jim session as our second session, so So we go and do it in or gym in the arena and sometimes we do legs and sometimes we incorporate some core when we do the upper. So we do either legs or core and upper and today we had legs for example, and and we do the very intense now we focus on strength. So we do very heavy and explosive movement. So we do some heavy exercises. A lot of weight and then we we do some explosive moves like in between. So you want to you want to like you can only do heavy weights because then you will get slow and you will not feel good. It's very important to incorporate like jumps and explosive movements when you do heavy weights so you can take it out to the field Force course. So now that's a creative way. Point that's a key point. I want to you know also have listeners focus on I mean like you said, they're the most we're in the gym the become better football or to become better on the pitch. You know, we're not in the gym to become better squatter to become better dead lifters were there to use that strength that we have in transferred to the pitch, you know, like you said doing a doing a heavy strength movement paired with an explosive movement is one of the best ways to transfer the forcing you to Up in the gym on to the pitch. Yeah for sure and our fees to is very good. And he has a lot of experience. Yes, a lot of premier league and other Pro players that comes team to do the rehab or physical training. So so he knows what he's doing and and yeah, so we work hard in the gym, and after that we go we undress and a lot of the times we do ice bath or other recovery. Three methods for me personally. I love the ice bath for my feel so good when I do it, so it's up to to everyone to do what they feel is good. And for me ice bath is very good for Recovery. I feel good. And then that's why I do it and after I've done that I take a hot shower and I I leave I leave for home what time are usually done for the day when we do double sessions normally and around for Sounds good p.m. So it's from eight to four. Okay, and just just to touch on the nutrition bit. So you said you're eating breakfast and lunch with the team. Yeah, what do you usually eat for breakfast? And what are usually for lunch? You just give the listeners some detailed. I'm gonna I wake up first at 7:30 because it's very important to wake up like a long time before you trade. So your body's awake so I don't want to go up like eight and rush to to breakfast. I want to get up a little bit earlier relax. And so I'm good to go when I get there. I usually also walk to the arena which takes 15 minutes so I get you know awake so I wake up. So what I do I wake up 7:30 I go and I pour a glass of water up. I drink it up and then I pour another one up and then I squeeze a lemon in it and I take 1/3 teaspoon of Himalaya salt in it as well. And then I drink it with my with my vitamins and minerals I take for breakfast. I take vitamin B complex multi vitamin A and vitamin D3 plus k 2 and then I take creatine as well. Now we preseason great stuff and then I go to the to the breakfast I eat. To like brown very healthy sandwiches with with two eggs one egg on each and then I ate oatmeal with the cinnamon and banana and a coffee. And of course, I drink a lot of water as well before practice right stuff. So that's what I eat for breakfast normally and then during training during the first - I drink EAA which is like a - its uh-huh and then for lunch usually for lunch. I'm super hungry like sometimes we do double sessions before lunch. So we're done like early and then I'm super hungry. So then we have like quality buffet places here in Sweden, which is they serve different type of food and their I try to eat as healthy as possible, but I feel like I need a lot of food for lunch. So that's why Like to go to the face, but normally I eat like one and a half plate and the first plate I take half with different types of salads and 1/4 of good carbs and 1/4 of good protein. And then the second round I just take a little bit more of what I like. Yeah the for myself up good and then I drink the Ric fit smoothie for in the air. Your noon as like in between me and I'm sure you can find the receipt on your Instagram and everywhere. Right? Of course, they won't really just matter was made a YouTube video on and start a rickford cooking channel. So they got a subscribe. So of course do that. It's he's cooking is unreal, but that that smoothie I actually really like so they can see what's in the turn. It's very energizing I think and then when it has so much much in it like so much good stuff for the body. Yes. I drink that in between lunch and dinner and then I usually eat like a late dinner and then I try to cook and because it's always better to cook. I eat buffet during lunch because I'm super hungry during lunch, but during night after that smooth. I'm not super hungry. So then I just try to cook one plate of like super healthy stuff. Normally I cook for Broccoli with the chicken and sweet potatoes. That's the typical dinner for me. And then I tried to cut the sauce. I the only sauce that I that I eat this this Sriracha chili sauce, which has like almost no calories. No fat. It's super sure for sure. That's basically what I eat and then I try to eat a lot of like fruits also in between like right after our session. Options I we have like cutted bananas and oranges which I eat too. So I try to keep myself energized throughout the day sounds like that nutrition pretty dialed in my nutrition is very dialed in and like I since I came here I have not eaten anything like unhealthy if I'm if I want a snack or something I buy this lynz kakadu it's called in Sweden. I don't know. English word for it, but it's like healthy healthy. Like I don't know what it is, but it's a lot of protein in them. And then I take some hummus on them Thomas some hummus and something nice, huh? It's not as good as in Israel though. It's you have some decent hung here. Yeah, that's my nutrition and I feel I feel good with his nutrition and I think it's key for performance. Yeah, we talked about this the other day. You know, how do you like since you've kind of change your diet and made it even more dial than what it what are they like the difference is that you've seen in your body and how you felt since you've changed it? The most important thing is that first of all, of course, I see like my body's getting fucking shredded to be honest. Now, it's more shredded than ever and you know that brings confidence, which is yes. Thing's for sure for the things and for for everyone for yourself and you feel stronger, you know on the pitch and course. So so first of all, it's that and second of all like with this nutrition that I have now, I can handle the tough load that we that we put on ourselves in during this Priestess. And especially when when when we train this hard, it's super important to like feel energized and also for for your body, too. To recover and to feel good its key. So so I just feel that I with this nutrition can handle the load that we put on ourselves right now, of course and then that's enough for me to keep going with it and to keeping dialing of course and I think a key to point out there when I always talk about people is first of all, the reason we're eating. Well the reason we're down there with our nutritionist because we want to perform well, and I think you said this the other day and I think one of the keys for me Is when I'm eating cleanly I feel so much better. You know, you don't feel heavy you don't feel tired. You don't feel sluggish. So when you have these two a days you have that motivation and that that drive and that that energy to give it your all and perform your best and something that I haven't talked a lot about. I mean we talked about in the beginning the thing with consistency, but also if you're consistent with your nutrition, you're going to be consistent with your training. Raining because you're going to feel better and you're going to want to train. I know I'm sure a lot of listeners have eaten the crappy meal and afterwards you just want to sit on the couch which obviously, you know, once in a while it's fine. But if you really want to get to the next level those little marginal differences are really what's going to take you to the next level getting in that extra one or two sessions a week and that could just have to do with your nutrition course sure. I totally agree like like obviously one. Now while you need to like have a crap meal or have like a chin day in the sofa in front of Netflix, but that's when you really deserve it. You can take it exact to be able to deserve it. You need to be dialing the other days and train hard so that you really deserve it because that sometimes it can be good for you to just relax, but then you want to be dialed in the other days you really deserve it. And that's the most important part like like some people they they eat bad food and They relax too much and that's when it's not good for you the like for me like I love to relax sometimes but when I relax I make sure I deserve it and that's absolutely not ski or earn that relaxation exactly. And then one more thing I want to touch on which I think is important. And you said and I've talked about before, you know, we're not, you know, obviously if you're training hard your training while you're eating while you're taking your care of your body in terms of sleep. Bath foam rolling stretching other forms of recovery, you're going to automatically look better. So the reason we're training is not to look better. But after you are dialed in with all those good habits, those looks just come as a natural side effect. And I think that's something that's very important and very an additional piece of motivation, you know, obviously, we're not bodybuilders. We don't need to have a perfect physique. But like you said man, and I think it's huge even if you know, so for example you put on your jersey you go out to the pitch and like you said, you look good in your jersey you feel strongly feel good. You'll automatically perform better just because of that confidence in that self-esteem boost. It might not necessarily, you know, it might not necessarily translate to being better on the pitch, but it'll give you more confidence on the pitch which will make you better on the pitch because you'll have More confidence when going into tackles when taking players on 1v1, if you're an attacker when going into wind tackles is the defender, you'll just feel better and more confident the pitch. You'll want to take more risks, you know, trying to Ping balls through lines things like that. And I think that's something that's kind of underlooked sometimes so, you know, obviously doing bicep curls in the gym that doesn't directly translate to to, you know, being a better football or but if you No, you go onto the pitch and your sleeves or tighter on your arms you feel strong, you know, maybe it'll give you that extra confidence boost for sure. I totally agree like and if you don't feel good, and if you feel unfit you will hesitate on the pitch. Also, there's never a good so yeah, what'd you what'd you say there is is very important and I totally agree with everything. Absolutely, man. Absolutely. So yeah, if you can if we could just do a quick comparison of that completely, you know, unbelievable Professional Day actually all I wanted to ask you one more thing before we hop onto the comparative and me shopping just because I like to give as much detail as possible to listeners give as much practical advice for them to take directly into their life. Can you just give us like a like a typical? Oil if you want to do offseason or in season because I know they gave you a nice offseason training session. You can just give us like a one of the workouts that you really enjoyed the most like all the sets and all the Reps and exercises. So maybe our listeners can get a you know, a pen and paper and write this stuff down so it could it could be useful right away into their daily life. I think that would be you know, awesome for sure. You mean like a gym exercise? Yeah like a gym. I'm like, you know, if you go over you know, what you did first, you know the sets and the Reps and then of course, that's only yes, of course like I would say like what you would do is like in season you would it's important to maintain the strength. So what you build up in the offseason you should maintain in the season. So you need to continue doing what you did in the offseason, but maybe take down the load a little bit because you would have a lot of games and you need to be fresh to perform in the games, but you Need to maintain the strength. But so so we go through what what I did now in the offseason and then you will know what to do in the season, but you just take it low down. So so in the offseason like straight away after we had like qualification game last year we do million. Do we share one where which we want? So we actually qualified with whom you to separate and also which I'm very happy about before and yeah, that's awesome. That's something we want to also congratulate you on I mean Making that shift from knee shopping who Mio and taking the team, you know helping the team the Super Death on probably one of your best memories and for sure it was a great year and and personally my best season so far in my career for sure, so that was great. So so straight after the last game which we had in the middle of November. I had one off week, but that doesn't mean like that. I just chill for 1 week. I went to the gym. Four or five times I chill like two or three times that week just totally chill and more five times. I did just mobility and Recovery to get my my body good again. And after that week I started to to do a gym program, which was very very like not super heavy, but I tried to focus on volume to get my muscles bigger and and focus on that so I did squats I did dead lifts. I did a lot of like those like exercises with a lot of volume. So I did ten times three on every exercise and I did a lot of leg exercises. So legs I did two times per week. I did I hit upper two times per week and I hit core once per week and And those exercises that I did it's it's like it's nothing new. It's like basic exercises and like squats deadlifts. I did. What did I do for legs more? I did. Yeah, just like yeah hamstring curls. Do you remember what I did more? Yeah those step ups with the knee Drive exactly step up walking lunges exactly and I did hip. That's well, and I did a lot of volume. So 10 times 3 and that's important to 10 times 3 the first month of the offseason always have those hip thrusts where those for the Fielder from the tangs. It's very important both on the field. And on the beach here until Santa have a good box. Oh girls they appreciate a good but as well, of course listeners was interesting for sure. Sure, the girls did the listeners day, which is girls to can agree. Yeah, and then for upright did bench press I did a lot of shoulders and I did I don't know every English word for it, but I did see inside. It dips a lot of volume for sure. Yes. I'm the listeners can find like all the exercises on your pages like if they want to. My leg exercises, they can find thousands on them on your Instagram. It's not so like it doesn't matter. Not a secret. Exactly. It's not a secret just do the just do leg exercises that hits your legs and do a lot of volume 10 times 3 approximately. So you do I did Court 1 times per week upper two times per week legs two times per week for one month. And then after that I And more explosive. So after that it's important. You can do the same the same exercises, but you need to do it you put the weights down a little bit and you do more explosive and a little bit fewer reps as well and focus on going slowly down and fast up with with power and they can also incorporate jump. So for example the squats I did very heavy in the first part of the offseason very heavy and very many reps and And after that month I did I put on Lower weights and I did fewer reps, but I did it very explosive. And also I started to jump with the weight. So I went down and then I jumped up and down jumped up. So they need to incorporate jumps when it starts to getting to the end of the offseason so they can get the explosiveness out on the field the first you you put on on some weights on. Um some volume you get you get bigger you feel heavy but strong and then you you make that muscle you you grow you make those muscles explosive and the horse feel so strong on the page show. So right now we when I train with the team we train a lot of very intense on the field football and then in the gym, we do a lot of explosive movements. So so now it's we focus a lot of explosiveness and And we're trying to be as as powerful as possible. And of course of course and thanks for those details and just just a little insight for the listeners and you could chime in a little I mean, I remember you told me you know, how I'm stabbed flew you out two or three times to get you assessed by the physio to see where like you said, you know, your hips were tight where the imbalances were within the body before starting the program. Because like we spoke about and I talked about all the time before you start a program. You got to see where your imbalances are where you lack Mobility where you like Motion in certain joints and muscles because there's no point of strengthening a muscle group. If you can't get into the right position exactly. So so that's I want to actually fill in a little bit there for me like like you said, even if you're not at the professional level you need to make yourself Yourself professional and act professional so for example before I got to this level I I talked a lot with you and and we saw where my weaknesses words and we move we like try to to fix those things and I did that on my own with your help promote very much. And now when I got to the professional level I get that help from the club important thing. Is that even if the listeners are not They need to to get that help professional help to see where they they lack so they can get like a program for them so they can get stronger where they are weak. So so it's like you said like even if even if you're not professional right now, you need to act professional and you need to see what you can do right now to to be as professional as possible because that will take you to a professional level. So, what'd you say? Yeah, so so I missed out after professionals need to be like as professional as possible. Even if you're not at the professional level right now because that is what will get you to a professional level. Cut out again, bro. As professional as possible. You just got to create that environment. Yeah, exactly. You got to create it for yourself. Even if you're not that that lovely right now if you if you created for yourself, you will eventually get to that like professional level if it's with a team or yeah, so, huh. Yeah and like you said, you know, if you don't have all those resources, there are people that you can reach out to, you know people in your area people online. I think that can help move your need move the needle forward, you know, like you said, I mean, I think it's key that you take your training as a process and like we said from the beginning you don't rush it like the way how I'm starred in it is is very professional, you know, they assess your movement first. They see where the imbalances are. They have you work on extra Mobility to have you lengthen those joints and create some space in the in the to help you lengthen the muscles and then Create space in the joints and the muscles to increase the strength and then go through a hypertrophy phase in the beginning when you're not playing because hypertrophy sessions. Like you said, it's a lot of volume. It's going to make you sore but like you said it builds bigger muscles when you start to build bigger muscles you can you can sustain more load so you obviously you're going through preseason right now you're able to And the load more because you went through that first phase of hypertrophy and then obviously about a month before preseason. Like you said, you're going into more strength and explosive base movements to really, you know, transfer that to the pitch and I think all the listeners should take into account that there are many phases to training. Usually there are four phases I'd say first is you know, like you guys did you look you look for the imbalances you create balance throughout the body make it as Magical as possible. You're never going to be a symmetrical human, but you try to make it then the second is like you said you take yourself through a hypertrophy phase. You gain some muscle mass after that you go into more of maximal strength phase which could be a third phase in the fourth phase is a power phase and you know, like you said once you develop that and through the offseason when you're in season you just you kind of half the volume you do you do similar exercise like you said, Said but with lower volume to maintain what you did in the offseason exactly. That's a very good summary right to for sure man. Yeah. I also wanted to ask you I mean you told us you took a couple supplements. How do you do you feel because I get this question a lot and EMS. How do you feel since taking supplements? Do you feel any difference? Like I feel more and more energized. I don't know if it's if it's a bit thin in my head, you know. So if the psychological part of it as well, but of course as I see it, like if I can get one percent better with them. Yes, it's worth it. You know what? I mean? Yeah. So yes keypoint everything that can make me a little better it's worth it. So I don't care if I spend 200 bucks on it. Like of course. It's like I don't make millions, but for me, it's very important to to do things that can make me better. Even if it's one percent it's worth. It you know course so course, so I feel good with it. But it's like we always talk about like do people should do what they feel good about. Like if they don't think it's worth it. It's not worth it. But for me, it's very important to do everything I can and and for me, I think it's helping me so so that's why I take it. Yeah now that's a key point and I want to bold that statement for listeners. Like the man just said, you know he if it can get him one percent. Better that investment is worth it. Likelike. He said maybe he doesn't see it right away. But in the long run that Investments going to pay off big time, of course sure. Yeah. It's kind of for the last topic. I want to cover a little bit of recovery. I mean you talked about ice baths things like that. I think the most important former recovery and I'm sure you agree. I know you've been dialed in on this for a while is sleep. Okay? So yeah, if you could tell us what time usually go to sleep. If you have any kind of you know night time routine that you do it would be definitely helpful for the listeners and the other athletes looking to get to the next level to really start to focus in on sleep sleep is so important like there is so much like facts on sleep how important in his and especially for us athletes. Like for example, if you don't sleep good, you will feel you have so you don't have the energy to trade first of all and second of all when you don't have the energy you your body will think that you need so much more food because it needs more energy and that's what is not eating bad. So if you sleep bad that will make everything bad like your whole routine will be bad. So the sleep is ski, so so what I do is that I I drink a good cup of tea with a little bit of Honey like 30 minutes before I'm going to sleep and then I make sure I turn my phone off. I turned everything off. I make it black in my room and I sleep I try to go to sleep around 10:30 and then I wake up 7:30 so that Almost nine hours of sleep. So if if you don't sleep more than 8 hours, it's a catastrophic. So it's a disaster. You need to sleep at least eight hours and it but it's always it's different from people to people for me. I need approximately nine hours to feel good. Some people need eight. Some people need 10. So they gotta like feel what they need. And and I'm sure everyone knows how much they need, but at least eight hours I would Say less than that is never good at all. So I think a lot of listeners they got to make sure that the tangs don't screw up their rhythms, you know, super important if you have a thing over make sure she comes early and leaves. Of course. And she knows she knows the reality of the journey and she and honestly if she's right for you and she's a good girl. She will and she really does like you or love you. She will respect and really like the discipline that you have to make yourself better on North Shore field. The most important thing is to be yourself and be focused the in what you want to do and then if she's right she's in if she She's if she's not the right one. She she's not the right one. Yeah, and and also for people listen to his podcast probably, you know, we mentioned this stuff and they say oh this is supposed to be a professional podcast this and this and that it is a professional podcast. And that's the reason we're talking about this, you know, both of us were very transparent. There's no point of hiding things on a podcast when we're trying to help as many people get better and we're not trying to make a bed image or push anything. Bad on people were just telling the truth because you're going to get involved with women and honestly it women can bring make or break your career. That's that's that's true. I swear a lot of a lot of people they stopped playing football because because of girls and because so like bad habits going to two parties to meet nice girls and stuff. And and it's like you said Erick like it's a like it relationships are part of our nature. Yeah, we need that for sure. So but it's important to keep focused and to to find the ones that It's want to help you and that really likes you and likes you because you are the one you are and because you want to do the things you do. It's easy as that absolutely man. Absolutely and we talked about it before that. You know, we've both been with girls that have tried to help hold us back from training and doing the extra stuff and at the end of the day, it has fizzled out and it didn't work and it was meant to be. Yeah, exactly. So yeah, man any other methods that you that you do to help your body recover besides, you know, ice baths focus on sleep focus on nutrition. I know you talked about that Mobility. Do you try to get some stretching in throughout the day or how do you look at that now since you're in season and do stretching like we incorporate like the mobility in the activation in the team, so I think that that is very good for Activation but also as as the recovery because Then you get your blood flowing and it's good for your body. But also sometimes when I when I feel sore I hop on my foam roller and there is there's different like sayings about it too. So some like it some not but the like key factors to do what you feel good about of course, there's people that hates ice bath, but but I like it so worth yes to like like find different recovery methods and do what you think is good. For yourself, of course. Absolutely. Yeah, and we're getting towards the end of the conversation. Got to two more questions for you. The first one is if you could go back to yourself at any age you wanted to and give yourself a little bit of the wisdom that you have today at 23. What age would you choose and what would you say to yourself? That's a very good question. I would I would go back to and I wouldn't go back to too far because Sick when you're very young It's All About Love for the game and to to find it. Friends and have fun, but maybe I would go back to ya 1314 around German. Ah. Yeah, I would go back maybe to 1314 because that's the age when it's very important to to like focus on everything around the football like we've been talking about like the nutrition and sleep and everything and I would go back to that age because in that day H also you can you can start going to the gym and you can you can start like learning about everything around just playing football. So I would go back to to that age and tell myself too. Yeah, I would I would like say those stuff that we've been talking about the podcast. I think what we have been talking about this super important for for especially younger players that wants to to develop them be their best self. And basically I would just say the things we've been discussing now and I'm learn my younger self forever today about you know, Biggest question of all, I think we've answered this question multiple times, but maybe some people get got sidetracked there were texts and other people while listening to the podcast if we could just give them a quick gist and you're coming from you from your heart if you could offer three piece of advice to a young footballer or anyone else who's looking to become a pro and get to the next level, what would those three pieces of advice be? First of all, never never liked it let anyone else like say what you gonna do do yourself and do what you believe in and what you want to do and be happy about that be proud about that and be focused about that. That's number one and number two is two We'll enjoy life to Corey Focus, but see other stuff as well. Like there is so much other stuff to do and don't be like a great one like militant if you say it like that like like enjoy stuff and stuff you can you can go and you can go to a party once in a while. But but make sure you you're dialed in the just like we talked about but enjoy yourself and and and make sure Exactly. It's it's super important to to be dialed in but but also enjoy yourself because that will make you happy because you can't be too strict. It's not good for you. Exactly and then the third thing is to make sure you you take care of your good contacts and you're really good friends. Make sure your you reach out to them once in a while or Like wherever you are, you need to keep the the ones that you really like around you and keep a good relationship with not you're absolutely right nothing without I think that's one of the most important part parts of the podcast that people need are really focus on and sometimes people forget when they're very very focused. You know, you gotta like you said man, you gotta keep, you know, three to five friends and good people around you because You know when you need something if you're down or even when you you know, obviously you always want to keep in contact because the energy of both of you, you know, if you have a girl or a guy whatever it is really fuels you and really keeps you motivated keeps you discipline and you could always help each other out and I think there's such a huge value, you know, even though I'm in Israel you're in Sweden. I got friends all over the world. You got friends all over the world keeping those contacts and just having a 15 to 20 minute conversation can really change your day change your mind change your mood. Of course sure, like it's you and me when we talk to each other after I spoke into I feel absolutely very motivated and we're on the same path. So we do the same stuff. So we motivate each other and that's so important to have others that do the same thing. So you don't feel lonely about it because it can be very boring if you feel loves me about but yeah, man what's on that and we'd like to thank you so much for coming on and There's only the Starfy man. I know it's going to be big time. Like we talked about keep doing what you're doing stay disciplined and focused and dialed in and I know big things are coming. If people want to follow you, you know on Instagram this Obsession, I'll drop it in the comments and I'm sure they'll Reach Out. For sure, they can they can follow me everywhere on all social media and just ask me questions if they want to I'm happy to answer. Okay, you can just write my my usual a brother sound good. Enjoy the rest of your night. Okay you two, brother. Take care. Thanks so much for tuning in to the 40th episode of the football Journey podcast. I hope you guys enjoyed it as much as I did. I know I took a lot of info out of it, even though I speak to the man at least once or twice per week. I learned something new. I'm sure he learned something new. It's just so great to talk to great people great friends and just build great relationships throughout this game throughout this beautiful game if you want to reach out to croon on Amber Twitter is handle on Instagram is @ KR o o 3 ends. So it's kr200 S3 ends croon on Instagram on Twitter. If you want to reach out to them. It's at croon KRON4 underscore Samuel. I'm sure they'll be happy to answer your questions. If you have any just drop them a line. Once again, if you enjoyed this podcast if you enjoy this episode, I would really really really appreciate it. I want to emphasize really and you can go to the iTunes app store or wherever this problem podcast is published where you're listening and just give it a review. I would really appreciate it because I want to spread these Good Vibes. I want to spread this knowledge. So people all around the world. Thanks so much for listening. Have a great rest of the week as always. 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Samuel Kroon is a 23 year old professional footballer playing as a winger who plays for Halmstads BK in the Superettan (Swedish Second Tier). Samuel is originally from Stockholm, Sweden, where he grew up playing. He was constantly looking for ways to make himself better and develop himself as a player to get to the next level. Samuel started his professional career in the lower leagues of Sweden. He played 4 years in the Division One (third tier) of Sweden before signing this year with one of the biggest clubs in Sweden. He also was a big part of helping his club Umeå FC to get promoted from the third tier to the second tier of Swedish Professional football. I have known him for about 4 years now, as he has turned into one of my best friends. He is one of the most professional and disciplined individuals who I have come across. Even when he wasn’t playing for big clubs, he was constantly looking for ways to improve himself and create a professional environment around himself. Take a listen to this episode to hear a day in the life at Halmstad, how he eats, how he trains in the gym and how he recovers his body to prepare himself for the day to day life in a professional football environment. If you have any questions, please reach out to him on Instagram @kroonnn or on Twitter @Kroon_Samuel.

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Welcome to popcorn. Featuring movie discussion news and interview we talked moving and here's pop corn stalks Marvel movie news. Oh, good afternoon to you our merry Marvel lights and welcome back to Marvel movie news. I'm really excited to get into today's episode. This is going to be a fun one. We got some fun interesting topics. Not a ton of news, which is why we're going to have some fun. But like it's the Calm before the storm you got I know because the 23 this will the the d23 is coming up and the end of the year is like we'll get some cool TV shows coming up but then the net it's the next two years where it's going to be like, oh you thought it was slow. Did we hear you guys take it was slow Marvel movie news day. And then it's like Boom movie. Boom TV show Boom movie. Boom animated show movie TV show anime show goes Anyway, so someone like guys for that welcome to the show. We are coming to you live from the battlefield at Avengers HQ because I can't stop watching that sequence in Avengers endgame moist. I hope you guys all have picked up your Blu-ray whether you've watched it or not, whether you watch it and the commentary and all the special features. We're going to talk a little bit, but that blue your day as well as all the stuff and we're going to get into after we do some movie news. What is the most Rewatchable MCU movie of all time. I'm Zach Wilson Z Anderson's here first your Blatz right now, I sure am so I picked up the Blu-ray on Tuesday when it came out you guys are still waiting for years to show up right? I get mine either today or tomorrow. Nice in the mail Christian. Yeah. I know you're an old-school physical media guy like me getting physical media and just it's basically going to be when do I have the time to watch all of it? I'm gonna buy it. Okay fair enough. That's fair. I don't think you'll Really struggle to find it in stores. Yeah, exactly. Unless you were to maybe go to 7-Eleven after midnight for some reason. Other than that, you're probably right around looking at 7-Eleven for so now I got a chance to dig through the Blu-ray a lot of it's pretty much the same as what you'll get on the digital. Like that's the cool thing now is if you do Buy digital you're getting the same if not more special features than you get on the physical disk, but you get you don't have to rely on internet connection when you have physical media. However, I did want to do a quick PSA for anybody like who's like me and went out and bought the 4K Ultra HD version of the disc and then pop the Blu-ray in because a lot of like game systems don't have 4K Blu-ray yet. If you turn pick this up and then you put in the popped in the Blu-ray and you know, where are all the special features. Yeah. This is what I spent. A lot of Tuesday night doing is like flipping through many film like the special features aren't here. Is there like a secret access code? Do I have to go back in time and find like a bunch of Infinity Stones on lock this but feeder what's going on open it up and then you see two discs you see the blue right and you see the 4K 4K one does not have the special features on it. You're wondering where the hell are speeches pop out the 4K disc. And it's hiding underneath on the second floor a that's sneaky. It's Sneaky and they don't tell you anywhere that it's going to happen. It took me a little while to figure it out. So save yourself something embarrassing time. So we don't have yeah, I don't really know I embarrassed myself so you don't have to his listeners. But yeah, I enjoyed all the deleted scenes and you guys talked about them while I was way to actually watch them yet deleted scenes are fun. One complaint that I have about this this disc is that they clearly have not given us everything on endgame. Oh, excuse me. The the Hulk seen that was with the second release. Yeah is not on this disc what that the scene with Hulk and like saving the day like smart. It's not on here. And I'm not sure why that that was like an amazing scene or anything going back to the theaters for delivery cool. But like you get Reginald veljohnson, like you gotta like sold. I her it's just surprising that they would put something in theaters that they didn't put and they didn't sell that as a point. Like this is going to be on the blue right now. I feel like I got I think you can find it on YouTube like they posted on YouTube so it is available but it's a strange call to put something in theaters and not put it on the Blu-Ray. So what's coming out in the future that will have Everything old giant and daddy Gauntlet with twenty three movies in it. They exactly the only reason I think that we may actually never get that is that I think they it's probably too complicated with Sony. Yeah. That's why you've never you have not gotten any announcements of a phase 3 box set the way that you have the briefcase from Phase 1 and the orb from phase two where you have like the entire phase in one $250 collection and with a cool little physical Tesseract in it. I don't think your we may never get that for phase 3 because Sony's this is one of those movie this movie distribution things is Sony is going to have their own distribution arm and Disney has their own distribution arm and they would have to make a deal between the two of them for percentages and everything if they were packaged those moves together. It's cam. It's a complicated thing to do you figure it out. They all have crazy lawyers. They pay stupid money to must. Come on guys get it together. It may just be enough that it It changes the set up a black but please work it out. I want my giant Infinity Gauntlet full of DVDs. Yeah, me too. He's willing to give you the money like him a hundred dollars that have cost and you guys can split it 3070 or however you want to do it figure it out. Cheese. Well, let's do the math here. If you the average Blu-ray right now those cost $29 for Marvel Blu-rays. We're 25 for the blue is 29 for the so it let's say 25 for the sake of argument times 20. III you're looking at minimum $575. That's without the cool Gauntlet case. Yeah, but I'm talking about probably six seven hundred dollars if not $800 for that box set. I'll do it. I still want it are saving now, you know, I want it Disney. I know chat wants it you guys tell us if you would buy it. Would you spend $800 on Infinity Gauntlet complete Infinity of saga set filled with movies. You already armed by the global University. The important part of the question, you know because if you're waiting for that then you know good for you with that level of restraint, but let us know in the chat and yeah, I will let you know when anybody responds but speaking of Disney and movies and distribution complications. Let's talk a little bit about New Mutants. Oh New Mutants. So the news this week others more like rumors and leaks about New Mutants and apparently Disney is not liking what they're seeing from New Mutants shocker based on everything we've heard so far, but I'm curious is that have to do with the fact that it's taking more of a horse stance. It's a horror movie basically and if they don't like that aspect of it or is it just there like this is just a terrible movie The reshoots are not going. Well. I mean, I'm assuming that's what they're doing now is reshoots. I don't know of reshoots have started yet. I can't say anything their clothes. Well, they don't look bad, but they don't like what they've seen of it now they own it. They can watch it they can. They see the drafts of for the reshoot stuff like that. And that's the it's all rumor to this could all be wrong to be to be fair. It's just the internet somebody leaked this out on the internet, right? I mean if you were thinking of doing like, all right, so what we're told is that it needs 20 minutes worth of reshoots. And then you see the movie and you go like no, it needs like an hour and 15 minutes worth of issues. Like he's it a page-one rewrite our they've that unhappy with it as far as horror. I don't think that's gonna they're gonna balk at that as long as it's not overly violent har. And I don't think it ever was I don't think it was ever going to be saw was my tonal. Yeah, I mean, they said three doing a horror movie. They've called dr. Strange to a horror movie. So Disneys open to Horror in with their movies and even with Marvel movies, so I don't know that they're balking at that. But whatever it is, they're not happy and it's of course continuing the doubt of will we ever see this movie? Do you guys think that this movie will ever see the big screen? I hope so. I would I would like that but I guess that depends on whether or not that they think it has enough potential to want to put all that money and work into basically redoing it if they don't like it that much again, it's all rumors, but I would like to see it personally. I would like to see it on the big screen. So I hope so. I think that we will see it one way or the other if they do no more reshoots because they feel like it's a lost cause it'll turn up somewhere whether they whether it's you know Hulu or they actually like shop it around and try to sell it. Buddy, I think that you'll see it somewhere and in terms of the big screen, maybe they do it for streaming, but they just one of those like one night event sort of screenings where you can only see it on that one night. You know, I think that that might be a business model to work around but again, it is just rumors and maybe they know exactly how to make it at least better. You know, I mean, I liked dark Phoenix and I know a lot of people didn't but they put that out didn't they? There was a little too too far along. Long to not put out but hand against also doubts knee a finished movie with an established release date like you've already put a caste care. Yeah. Well, I mean, yeah with with New Mutants they moved it several times it never got as close as it was by the time the merger happened the dark Phoenix was probably finished or almost finished by the time it got to didn't into Disney's hands New Mutants is like actively needing to do reshoots extensive reshoots from everything we've heard. Yeah, so As we said it's a bit the same conversation. We keep having I expect we'll see you on Hulu someday in whatever form it takes. I don't II still don't think we're going to get it in theaters David Tapia and the chat is says Disney doesn't want to lose more money after dark Phoenix, so they will not spend four more reshoots. And I think look I think that's entirely possible like we're saying if it's going to cost too much they'll be like no just dump it on who the forget it, you know, let's not even try but you know, I mean like they have it in March and that is not a particularly competitive time. I don't know what's supposed to come out. That weekend at this point, but you got to figure it at least has a chance if it's if it's decent and you know, maybe you even play up the horror, you know, maybe that's what you do in reshoots is that you make it not like saw or hostile or one of those things but you kind of play up the suspense aspect for it. And then maybe people who don't even care about superhero movies want to see it. You know, you maybe you target that audience. Yeah a big audience there. What is it? I think it's due for April now just to be clear. I think it's April the 3rd December 2020. It was supposed to be this. Yeah, it's a problem was supposed to have come out also before that is must have come out in February. Yes. Yeah, it was February and August the wreck right now and then it was and now it now it's April 3rd. 2020 is the current date that is set not that long for the release. Yeah, but we'll see. We'll see what happens. Maybe they're further along if it's done. Well, we don't really know for sure. Anyway moving on from this topic we get you talking sir. Circles about New Mutants and we're never going to know but let's portal over to back to end game because I thought was an interesting story. I know Christian you had to you see it said your you had some opinions on this Dan slott commented this week after re-watching and game once it got to the home really stance lot. If you're not familiar with him was the head writer of The Amazing Spider-Man 4 want to say 300 issues. Yeah. It's like 14 years. Is there something in some extremely honey? Only left the book recently issue 800 right he would he's responsible for the superior Spider-Man run where Doc Ock took over Peter Parker's body, which is one of like my favorite runs. It was just I thought it was a fascinating twists cartoons. Well, they did. Yeah, that's over that you actually that's currently Kurt. Yeah, that's correct and the current Cliffhanger Spider-Man which it comes back they're going to pick. That story Yeah dance lots of consultant on that and I think that that helps the tone dance a lot also for he's responsible for spider-verse as writing like he came up with the original spider-verse concept right now, or at least he's right he wrote the original version of it. And so like he's that's his baby is spider-verse, but what he said this week is that he he loves endgame, but he doesn't like one moment in it and it's the instant kill moment where Peter is Is in the midst of a battle trying to run with the with the Iron Gauntlet, he's got a suit on and he is going to get he's gonna get pummeled by all the war dogs and he activates instant kill mode to kill all of the Beast the soldiers around him and he doesn't think that Peter Parker would do that because Peter Parker Doesn't Kill Ya, but he's not usually in a situation where he has to kill what you want to do joke his way out of it have some quick that's a benefit rough considering that there. Like literal beasts. He's acting Tim interesting debate it like I went through some of the comments on this tweet that he put out and it gets really interesting where it is sort of a question of the where do you draw that line? Like the the war dogs are theoretically mindless but Peter Parker also didn't want to kill the literal mindless ones like it when he fought them in the comics. So like I just thought it was funny when you call the Mindless be and somebody pointed. It out. Yeah, he literally defends mindless ones in the house. But it's an interesting debate topic. I feel like at that point you kind of have to like realistically it's his only way out. Do what you gotta do. I guess what Dan slott is saying is more like maybe it made sense in that moment, but he would have felt worse afterwards. Like we didn't see any of the reaction to that in far from home. Now. That's about it. I think seeing him be like, yeah, I can't believe I killed that. Many whatever that many beasts or whatever. I think that that is a valid point that is very consistent with Peter Parker if he felt bad no matter how much somebody deserved it. You know, I mean the you know, Norman Osborn was trying to kill him and Spidey jumps out of the way and and and the Green Goblin's glider flies right into him and he still feels bad about that, you know because it's like, oh if only I jumped out of the way we got killed so he always has remorse so I could see but I also there certainly Was no time for that in endgame and as we've seen the headlines, I think that the the screenwriters for Far From Home didn't get a chance to read the script for end game ahead of that. So that might be a little bit of this very Point. Yeah, that's fair. I they wouldn't have known about that moment necessarily and also I think maybe he's more sidetracked by the fact that Tony just died and that he's got all this other stuff going on. So maybe he would have felt it but it would have been I don't know less Amplified because of everything else that was happening. Yeah, I think it'd be more egregious if he'd killed any kind of humanoid person that might be different, you know an alien anything like that but it's a valid point but you know, we could we could debate some of the questionable decisions down slot made in those 300 issues. But you know, this isn't really the show for that it is absolutely the show for that but we don't have time today you might see that as an upcoming top. This isn't the episode 4 that we could say. Before we continue one of the ways we keep all these shows for you free is by our amazing sponsors. And today Spotify is one of our sponsors on Spotify. You can listen to all of your favorite artists and podcasts in one place for free. You don't even need a premium account Spotify as a huge catalogue of podcasts on every topic including the one you're listening to right now on Spotify. 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That's interesting. It's very beautiful comic I recommend checking it out. You can see it. You can read it all kinds of in place its imprint pretty much if you go to bars and know what you can find it by the way buy two get one free on graphic novels at Barnes & Noble. Not an Add just a heads up. That's that's a public services. So this is so what the storyline is going to follow. It's going to follow photographer from named. I put this name down because I was going to forget it. Where did I put the name? Where did I put it? I didn't put it in a convenient of place, but it's going to follow a press photographer following the events after Galactus attacks. Okay, so it's like from the ground look at the drama. From Big superhero battle Sheldon. Yes, it is. Thank you for that Ryan. Don't number one Phil Sheldon fan in the world. So thank you. He immediately knew but it's going to have a really interesting cast as well Method Man. This is gonna be voicing in this life. That's great. That's awesome. That Ethan Peck from Star Trek Discovery. He's Spock in season 2 of Discovery he was Great. I don't know what else he's ever done. But he was fantastic. It's a Star Trek. I just immediately look at you. Well, yeah for some time tell you or not. It's good. Yeah. Yeah. Well so Method Man, here's the here's the funny but he is going to be playing Ben Urich. I love Ben Urich. Yeah, that sounds nice. That is the most disappointing thing about the Netflix universe that they decided to kill Ben Urich so early. Yeah so early to you know, anyway, so that's great. Ethan pack is gonna be playing. Mr. Stick. Oh that's a good casting amongst a bunch of other people and this is going to be cool little cool story will see well. I look forward to it's going to have Peter Parker's gonna have all the Fantastic Four because it's Galactus. Yeah. Yeah. So look forward to that coming soon. Yeah. So if you've ever wanted a collaboration between Method Man and Spock you're going to get it. So it's going to be good day. I think we should get into our big topic for the show actually get one question from the the comments from the chat. So Xena are back to where we were talking about before this talking about dance Lots comments about the instant kill one. This is these are both from Zeno are 1 Peter Parker doesn't exist to people need to lighten up on this quote. No superhero. She'd kill Mantra especially in live action movies and on the same note. I want to make sure I don't lose it thunder God Cairo seven seven zero you can't compare empathy for a human to that of a bloodthirsty Alien Drone. I'm inclined to agree with that. And yeah, I mean I think that in general shoot superheroes shouldn't kill but I think there are certainly exceptions or sometimes there's there's no there's no alternative, you know, but I think we agreed that the idea would be the impact that had on Peter that he wants he did it. Yeah, even if even it wasn't something he could decide like I understand why I had to do it. I can move forward with my life, but I feel like that's a thing he brings up in therapy killed all those dogs also their dogs. Also, even if they're bloodthirsty also from other countries, they eat dogs also from Zeno our he puts Whispers Iron Man killed people in Iron Man 1 and Iron Man 3, you've Iron Man doesn't have that same Mantra that Peter Parker has like that's the thing it to you Parker is very much built around that. It's a part of his character. Most of these Heroes don't like don't try to kill other people. They try to avoid it when possible but they're more willing to when it comes down to it. It is an ongoing thing for Peter Parker he is Very resistant to anything that would lead to a sentient beings death. It's a it's a point of Pride for the character and that's why this debate comes up its think it's similar with Batman. You have that same debate and like you can debate endlessly about the real the realism of that for somebody who's fighting deadly deadly crime and that's a big part, especially in the Batman story line, but it and it becomes a thing for Peter. It's also a thing Dan thought goes into significantly in Superior Spider-Man when Doc Ock and Peter Parker is like Well, no, I we're going to finish this because it's going to be more effective. It's it becomes a debate. Anyway, I think we let's move transition move it transition change the topic believe me into our big question for today. What is the most rewatchable MCU film now, this is going to be obviously very personal very opinionated. But I want you guys in the chat to get in on this discussion because there's no one Dancer except mine. This is I remember these are MCU movies. So all of you who want to say fan for tastic. I'm sorry. It's not appropriate or not able to say that it has to be an MCU movie that maybe that one is just not yet know I'm never gonna know so I want to just put I wanted to pose this question because obviously we're all re-watching and game soon like you guys at home. Like I already re-watch this week. I enjoyed watching it again. I now I watch it as many times as I want from the comfort of my couch for my bed. Just like sitting bench like yeah, we can re-watch that entire battle seeing go back so xia I want to share with you. What do you think is the artists like give me give me like a couple of your choices. What do you think are the most rewatchable MCU films and we're going to each give her and then we're going to start to dial it in. Okay. Well immediately what came to mind for me was Civil War and Winter Soldier. I can go back and watch those anytime because to me they're just my It's by far. Those are also both popping up in the chat by a bunch of people. I don't think yeah so good. I can easily go back and watch those and then Zach. I know that this was one of yours, but it's no please the Ragnarok Ragnarok is out there. It was so good Christian. What do you think? I know for me? It's a little bit of an outlier is First Avenger because it's my favorite MCU movie Just because to me, it's just it's it's the one that I think I don't sit there and like try and pick it apart in any way and I love well, I love most of the memo said I love all of them. I love most of these movies but that is just it's just it's fun because it's a it's a war movie and then it also has the superhero element and it's just fun and it's funny and just you know from his origin all the way through to the end of you know, sorry not going to make that dance. Come on. It's got a tragic ending and so that one is way up there for me, but I would say that probably the most a little think about it is definitely Guardians because I Still laughed volume 1 I still laugh the most and I watched that's the most fun ride for me. It's Guardians volume one for me. That's that's why Thor Ragnarok is my most rewatchable. It's the one that like whenever I like just want to put something on like not like Thor Ragnarok is like the one I like. Oh, yeah, perfect go because it's so it's fun. It's got Adventure. It has a motion like it has all of the things that make a great Marvel movie right in there music Zach the music's great, but you know that Makes a point four Guardians one. I'm just going to say I'm going to call that the music they have that in common, but they both and like they like Thor Ragnarok you also get crossover fun because you got poked in their seizures that like multiple worlds can kind of get to meet Valkyrie you get to South Korea in her character the like the one thing that you don't really get in there might you don't you don't really get romance. No guys. No a big softie time that time for Romance. For me, that's why a lot of time. So no one is surprised by this but Ant-Man the WASP is up there for me in terms of we watch it. That's very pretty because I just love those characters and seeing wasp take form and seeing the the duo and that because that's always been the thing for me with those characters. It's to the duo it's the it's the couple as a team who's going to fight crime with a really cool Power set to get like fighting together is why I like Zach, that's why I love those characters. He's which is like why it becomes really hard to talk about the original ones because the who anyway but a man on the watch the movie you get two pairs of Aunt Master wasps. And so and now it's fun. It's funny. So for the comedy aspect for both of those makes them rewatchable. I find it harder to re-watch the more dramatic ones because they are so good. You can just re-watch them. Like I'm what re-watch black panther a ton of times because it's just it's fun. It's great to watch. And it has that like engaging drama, but you can't just like put it on as casually right? You have to be in the mood and for that kind of movie and kind of emotionally ready for it. It sounds kind of weird but I totally get it like when you don't want to thank or Focus or like really hone in on a movie if you just kind of want to casually sit back and enjoy something. I totally get that. Yeah, like what re-watching Infinity War before going to see an game was great. And I was like, oh, yeah, there's all this stuff. I like it's not the it's not my go-to endgame. The length alone is a reason Into not you know re-watch it so often but I think that yeah those ones are a little too heavy. I really like the first Ant-Man because as much as I like Ant-Man the WASP, it's all like, hey remember this stuff here it is again. Hey, look remember that we're going to do it. Oh now there's two of them. So I think that it was just too familiar, but I did like it and when I re-watched it because my wife actually never saw in the theater. So when we re watched it before end game I was like I'm going to do really like this, but I still I still like the OG Ant-Man a little bit more. See I just think for Me it's that because you got a much stronger villain in Ant-Man the WASP. So like because ghost is yes. She's a tragic villain where you want to side with her towards the end. But you see she like that. That was the biggest flaw in the original Ant-Man is that they what they did with Darren cross, I think fell short in a big way. It was it fell into a big trap that's like people have accused a lot of Marvel movies of having with with villains that are dull. Dull and and don't and that's where I felt more one-dimensional. Yeah, yellow jacket for me. It was just like not enough for do enough with him. I yeah, it was like kind of flat kind of OneNote didn't have enough justification for why he turned so that's why it but man just like every day every time I watch that can't get away from that thought, so I can't rewind. Hey, I'm in the last also has Laurence Fishburne is Goliath. Although we don't see him in action. Yeah, I know but we know that he's you know, so like would say Where's that movie? I want to see that I want to see D aged Michael Douglas Laurence Fishburne and Michelle Pfeiffer, you know in action. Oh man, we can go back to that the lab in and from end games at that - giant chrome helmets, you know, what else gets up there on my list is the original Iron Man. I was actually gonna yep. That's I agree. I can go back and re-watch that any time. It was the first one. It was. Well, it's not just the first one because a lot of times the first one in a Series is like yeah, thank you for setting up. What was later great, but like think about how many Pilots for TV shows like I love Parks and Rec. But when I re watch that show a lot of times I just skip past season one because it's just like famous versus log P. Yeah, but Iron Man is just a great movie. It's again, it's got a lot of that humor. It's got that drama. It's got that romance angle. It's setting up or down EJ. Just fun. The the graph is going to like I think Obadiah Stane while maybe not like the greatest villain of all time is a solid like fo for him to go. It's my shot. There's fingers movie. It made the most sense. I do like that movie but it has one fundamental problem. That is my fundamental problem. And I know sometimes see a movie with the first X-Men movie. They just didn't spend enough money on it and there's times where I feel like, oh, just imagine if they, you know, kicked a little bit more money at this what this sequence or that would look like. It's Way more apparent in the original X-Men but there are a few moments in Iron Man that I was like why can't they get to George Lucas to go back in and I redo the effects like he did with Star Wars and some of this stuff but I the characters are all great and setting him up as Iron Man and really building the whole world. It does do a great job, but it's a little tough. Yeah. I do want to shout out to to gen James who disagrees Miss Erin Ant-Man and she says that It's a minute rather it man and the WASP is a second-tier MCU film. And here's the thing. I don't necessarily disagree with that right there. But like as far as like Todd first-tier movies like three the top tier MCU movies are like black panther Winter Soldier and not in any order but like yeah and game Guardians one. I think actually makes it into there but in terms of just re-watched like what am I going to pop in first? What is the most like the one that will probably I have the most view counts if you could go back and look a man in the last for me is more up there. Well one that we haven't thrown out yet and is an MCU movie is Spider-Man homecoming because it is a Spider-Man movie that I love Spidey so much and I think that they really nail him so well in that but you know, Michael Douglas Michael Douglas, Michael Keaton is so great in that movie that I would just watch the scene of him driving them to the to the formal. I was just like I could just watch that. See I have just watched that scene because I was trying to For something specific that he said and it wants for something I was writing and I I just I think that that's that might not be in my top three, but that's like that's I'll tell you that's the most rewatchable Spider-Man movie that they've made for me and I know that they're not all MCU movies, but still I mean that's the one that I think is the most fun to watch. Obviously. I would like to see far from home again, but I can't watch it at home right now yet but soon. Yeah, I mean look, it's got to come home. Yeah, there's like a sub conversation happening in the chat people are doing rewatchable versus once one time was enough. So Jenna James did it to punch out here Guardians one is a re-watch once was enough Guardians volume to speak greatly to my you beat me to my transition. I was to go into what do you guys think is the least rewatchable movies and not necessarily ones that you dislike the most but the ones that are like, you know, I don't need to know. Really see that again, or see it constantly like once every like five years is fine. Well, I don't know about every five years but it's good and game is really high up on that list to watch those an entire film the three hour and two minutes is like am I going to throw that on at 10:30 at night while I'm like trying to do stuff having the background? I don't know about the rest of you but I am not know and for me, it's I think probably a lot of people already going to know this answer but Captain Marvel just for the simple fact that I didn't I am going to watch it one more time just to See just to sort of give it another chance to enjoy its filming but I liked it more when I re-watched it as a like a home release right eye. So I'm I am going to do it but however for that approach will probably be the only time that I rewatch it just because I'm trying to give it another chance because I didn't enjoy it the first time. So for me, I think watching it again. I don't know if I would enjoy it so I probably wouldn't if it wasn't literally just me trying to give it a chance that and then Iron Man 3. There's a lot of A lot of people are you know disparaging Iron Man 3 Iron Man 3 is enough Iron Man 3 was good. I think it was good. It is lower down for me than some others, but I think it is it is a little bit like less need you don't need to re-watch it and that was the end during movie. Yeah. It's a little slower. But yeah ones I would put Guardians Volume 2 down there. It's just like I just hit the they'll tell you. I haven't seen it in a while and I kind of Of after watching endgame, I kind of wanted to see it again. I just haven't had the time. I I'm interested in seeing it at least one more time right now because it's I saw it in the theater and I haven't seen it since so I would really love to do is start from the beginning and re-watch them all. Yes. Let's every time we talk about these movies. I'm like, oh man, it's been a while since I've seen that one hospital to have some like I want to just go back for a rebound you mean what I've done twice in the last two years. I did it for prepping for Infinity war and I did it prepping for end game. Where do you call even watch? The angry Hulk for the first time, you know, I'll go that far for the first time ever seen. You never seen it. Oh, we'd sit down and watch these old like to actually I think that would actually be fight. Well, yeah, that's true his there. Hey, that's a just a quick question for the chat. Is there anything that you just have never seen? Maybe it's not even like you consciously decided it's like oh, yeah, I got to get around to that one because look it's a lot of movies. You know, there's odds are there's something that you probably are like, oh, yeah. I probably should have seen her saw dr. Strange even though I told her like it's go but just as he doctor Strange would be low on my list of really because like it has some fun moments but like it the more you watch that movie The more plot holes you find in it. Yeah, because like there's the cassette again. It comes down to the villains. Like I silius is a dull villain whose motivation is confusing and or just non-existent and dormammu that scene with dormammu is amazing. Yeah, but like the how he factors into like this whole like the plot of the movie is like not as strong as it needed to be And when you watch again, it is more apparent and that's why it's like maybe I'll just let the memories be there. The thing about angley's Hulk. I wanted to say you should check it out because it look it's not a good movie. Right but Angley tries stuff in it like it is one of the balls of your movies in terms of like early comic book stuff where they're like, well what have we really tried to translate a comic book to the screen? It's not Always successful. It's not successful, but it's interesting for it's just a fascinating way. If you look back like this is what people thought because he literally puts panels on the screen. So that sounds interesting is that yeah, he tries to make it feel like you're watching a comic and the way that like you got in spider-verse just it didn't work for this for for the Hulk and maybe because it was live-action. It didn't really translate the same way, but I imagine it's similar to why musicals don't Translate. As well on film as they do in the theater, but you should be watching musicals ever. How dare you sorry one day. I will have my MCU Musical and you will watch it by yourself and I will stay here and listen to you talk about it. Oh man, that could be a whole other topic. What would be the MC use first musical? Oh God, I'm talking about it. Now chat. What do you want to see is the first musical. They I'm sorry. I remember and not Guardians. I'm talking about. Yeah sing along music. Only 30 years ago. They were trying to get a Captain America Musical and to the extent that if you have Marvel comics from I don't know what month but it's for over a couple months. Probably around 1989 1990. There's a full-page ad for like, you know, I don't know how you were supposed to go find out more about auditions and things but I don't know whatever happened to it. But that means it's somebody fro realized. It was a terrible accident erode Captain America musicals, but that means someone else realize it was a terrible idea. I've been like Spider-Man turn off the dark. Did exist yeah sure did and I did pay for it. Yeah, I think if I had still lived in New York at that point, I probably would have made myself go but I would have only gone for the train wreck. You know what I'm talking about it. Yeah Musical on film and I'm trying to think who would be the bet. I think Deadpool Deadpool the musical that might be the only one I've watched because the only Musical that I've ever seen that I enjoyed is the Book of Mormon and that's not even going to be it's a play because it's hilarious. So So maybe if it was Deadpool, I'd be like I can say that will figure out a way to make it red dyes and says molecule man the musical I'm in hears God for that alliteration. There's no other reason for that to exist. But yeah, I would a hundred percent think you could do a Deadpool Musical and it would be like, I wouldn't hate it may be. Yeah, but I mean there I know that there was a real there's a real Superman music. From like the 50's or 60's like it's an actual. You know, it's an actual thing. I don't I don't think anything else Marvel got closer to actually actually happen and gamer girl last of Marvel has their own version of the music Meister. That's the DC character. But well Marvel has arcade who is like putting you into more like yeah complicated battles and stuff, but he can easily shove you into a musical. All scenario, I could see like where there's like, it's American Idol and you have to sing your way out kind of thing. Like I mean, you could use Mojo for that as well as about that exact thing. I'll say and then also why not visit a spider-verse where everyone sings when they talk this luria reference that in the comics where because I want that there's like to Peter Parker's talking. They're just right in Peter Parker's then this is one of my favorite moments in that book was just like, oh they did. You see that why it looks like the guy from Seabiscuit. I saw one over there look like Do from social networks funny? That's nothing I ran into one Spider-Man who wouldn't stop singing show tunes. And by the way just point of point of order in terms of factual just to put it on the record. It's a bird. It's a plane its Superman was indeed a Broadway show in 1966. Wow, so, you know, look there's a precedent for it. I can't find anything about that Captain America musical but by next week, I'm going to try and find one of those ads and we'll put a screen grab. But Zeno our you might be a little on the nose here, but dazzler. Oh, please yes. She's just singing in her life. I'm talking about somebody singing Fern. Well, no discernible reason to could do that would be what they call a jukebox musical where jukebox musical where they take just like it'll take they'll just take a ton of songs from the 70s and the like build a really flimsy show around it, but I would go see it because I love dazzler that much. Look, you have to go with me okay with you. I'm just saying throw popcorn at you to ruin your movie experience. That's fine. The whole time I'm saying I'm talking about. No, I'm just saying out there to Disney if you want to Deadpool musical. I have some people ready to write that music and I will just help them translate it into comic book Insanity anyway, so thank you guys for joining. So so closing out the conversation on the most rewatchable movies. MCU I think between the chat and what we said here it has to be Thor Ragnarok up there near the it's like Thor Ragnarok Guardians of the Galaxy vol 1 are that got to be the two most rewatchable films like the I think the chat agrees with that? I think you guys and we agree Thor Ragnarok and Guardians of the Galaxy. Undoubtedly the top. I don't think we talked about a lot but Avengers has to be up in that conversation original. I saw in the chat and I agree. That's that's definitely one of the ones for me but like I'm willing to accept that the WASP may not be up there for everybody. That's me personally, but it like Thor Ragnarok Guardians of the Galaxy it just like they're fun. And that's really what comes out to you for something you want rewatchable anytime. It's got to be fun. It's got to be silly. That's what those two have in Spades and we'll see what happens when we get Guardians three and four for four love that Thunder that might be a one-time only for we close out I want Quickly jump over and do we're talking a lot about movies, but we got to talk a little bit about TV. Let's jump over to TV time. And if you want more Marvel TV than we have time for our today. Make sure you tune in on Sundays or just stay in your podcast feed app. If you're listening to this for Marvel TV weekly with Christian xia. I pop in there when I can Sundays are always complicated time and this Sunday. We're actually going to have I believe my entire co-panelists all three of the other panelists from the legion after show because we want to keep talking about the show and zo be there with us and we're going to spend An entire hour just talking about the legion finale spoiler-free. I enjoyed the finale. I did two wasn't perfect. I think it did. It's one of those finales finau TV finales are always difficult. This one was The Logical finale like this all it was clean. It made sense. It wasn't it didn't blow me away. But like if you go if I went through and I was like, well, yeah that was how it should have happened if that's what it is. It should have had that's it ended how it was supposed to it didn't Sara Lee blow me away. No, and I think there was something bigger that maybe some of us might have expected or hoped to see but what it didn't do is the thing that I said on this show on Marvel TV weekly and Legion after showed that if they had done it, I would have been Furious that I wasted three years of my life. Yeah where it's David sitting in a hospital and back in the pilot and he imagined the whole thing because God there were little Clues along the way that they could have been doing that and The fascination with Pink Floyd was one of them by the way, so which yeah, maybe you saw in that episode as well, but I thought it was a it was a good ending, you know, it wasn't the greatest TV series finale. No, but it could it could have gone really wrong. I mean, I think it was good. We're talking about musicals bleach and was like almost a musical half the time like yeah, it had a rap battle this year with your made up of end. I'm so good. The series I know that sounds ridiculous, but I absolutely freakin love that. Yeah, I do like the episode with the rap battle but the rap battle was so great. I actually thought that I was it was fascinating because it like I'm just like and it's just like the balls you do something to take an entire episode and go into another world and we're trying to keep it vague. Yeah, but one of the episodes this season was like, where are they? Like it was at a point in the season when they only had four episodes left and they took that little detour and What happy about that? I wasn't happy about that because there were so few episodes of to think there have been three or four more. I would have been able to enjoy it more but to think back on it. I mean some of it was very cool and it did a good job setting up the series finale but Android, yeah, and so that's Legion again tune into Marvel TV weekly for a lot of Hugh big discussion on that finale and that's really all the spoilers. So you have until Sunday and watch it. If you haven't yes real quick. I did want to mention jeph Loeb was talking to a couple out. Lets's this week about like Marvel TVs place in the in the market. Now that Marvel Studios and reminder. Those are two distinct entities or are like Marvel Studios is doing TV series now with Disney plus and jeph Loeb was like remind that they're the Marvel TV still has a ton of stuff coming up like where you got hellstrom Ghost Rider all the animated stuff on Hulu, but he also dropped that he is going to be working Marvel TV is going to be doing stuff for Disney. Plus which it was the first time anybody had heard about that and he didn't give any specifics. He didn't say what's coming up. But what do you guys think of Marvel T. Do you think we're gonna get this is the question. Do you think we're going to get a more harmonious existence between the two sides of marble honestly. Yes, it seems like that's sort of what they're building towards. Anyway, now that that I mean besides the fact that it's more money for them and they get all these other properties, but the fact that that Disney now, Has Sony and it has all of those properties it can use. I mean, it's really there just tightening their world more and more with the movie side. Why wouldn't they then do it with the TV side as well? And you see what a fox? I think you wanna make sure we're all with ya. Yes Fox not Sony. So we three entity. Is that own everything really so I think that doing that on the TV side just make sense to make it more of a coexistent world and I think that for fans to would be exciting like, oh my God, all these sins things intersect in some way or another or at least Mentioned Iran tied in I would personally like that. Yeah, I think I announcing every all the Disney Plus shows as part of phase for it. You'll use you'll definitely see kind of, you know, like a Synergy a way that we look we haven't had we can very well discuss discard pretty much everything like if they want to be like, yeah agents of shield never happen. The Netflix shows never happened. They definitely do that. They could do a Star Wars expanded universe style drop and I'm a big defender of that decision. It made a lot of Of sense, it's not quite as massive because they have been careful to separate themselves. But you could decide to take everything that's not Marvel Studios and exercise it from the cannon. It's possible, but I hope they don't. I hope that they find a way maybe we can just like I know that there's been a lot of discussion has been even boycott talks this week, which we're not going to get into but maybe they can just be like, hey Ike kick and then let Jeff lobe and Kevin feige play in the same bus and Ox again, I mean ice so we'll see. We'll see what happens you guys let us know see if you do disagree with us. There's some movie that we didn't talk about today that is actually the most rewatchable Marvel movie of all time put in the comments below or send it to us on Twitter. We want to know your thoughts. We want to know what you guys are looking forward to most what you're going to what's going to what are you going to pop in as soon as you finish re watching end game for the 80th time? What's next on your re watch list? So send it to us you can hit us. On Twitter at Marvel news PT and be sure to follow the popcorn talk at the popcorn top and like us on YouTube right subscribe on iTunes wherever you happen to be listening to is popping wherever thank you for watching so much. I'm Zach Wilson. You can find me on Twitter and Instagram at that Zach Wilson. I would also love to invite you to check out my other weird comedy shipping podcast ships in the night where we just take random characters from different universes and right there love stories this week. We did Walter White and dr. Frasier Crane. Because we're weird and baby. I hear those that blue Colin that's called ships in the night Zia how you can find me on Twitter and Instagram at xia underscore land. That's Xiao underscore land. You can also check me out on another show that I do besides Marvel TV weekly with Christian is that it's Eric Nagel that goes up. I believe Friday mornings. You can find that pretty much I Heart Radio iTunes anywhere that you listened to your podcast or shows you can find me on Twitter and Instagram my Christian DMZ, and I'm going to take one minute to tie up. Yes, there was an ad. It appeared in Marvel Comics in 1985 the put out a cattle call for a girl aged 10 to 14 to play Captain America's very special friend, you know that character we all know from the comic books who of course didn't exist. The this musical had a four million dollar budget and calves enemy was going to be his own midlife crisis. So can we be glad that this never happened? But if I want it, I want to read it. Wow, but in any case so you can find out more about that. It was her name back. Barnes it doesn't say anything about who the character was. But yeah, well, could it be that sounds terrible in any case? Yeah, his girlfriend was a candidate for president. There's so many things like God credits do a whole show on it. I would vote for Peggy Carter for president for the record Christian. Please plug yourself and then we're gonna get out of here. Gmz Twitter and Instagram and I have my own personal podcast black ass. You can find BL ADT CA st.com. 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You're listening to the Cannabis investing Network before we begin a short disclaimer the full disclaimer follows at the end of this episode. This podcast is a general communication and is being provided for entertainment and information purposes only. It is educational in nature and is not designed to be a recommendation for any specific investment strategy plan feature or other purpose. Please enjoy responsibly.Hello and welcome back to the Cannabis investing Network podcast. My name is Manish and I'm here today with my co-host Abby. How you doing? A be Manish Manish. I've been better. Yeah, I know. I know Abby is really soldiering through this winter illness. He's picked up while he's a globe-trotting while yeah globe-trotting your state trotting more or less. You got to do it for this podcast man. That's right. That's right. Well, we had to come back and give the listeners the fresh material for the end of the year and the beginning of next year because we've been off for a little while today is December but it's today December 16th, and we've been off for a little while and there's been actually a lot happening. So it's good to be back the episode today, which is a sort of end-of-the-year episode is is really About improving upon yourself. It's about the urine reflection and it's is really about five key lessons that I think we've learned in 2019. And these are just personal lessons, right? But I think they're very applicable. Probably the most people listening. I think 2019 was a very humbling year for cannabis investors and it was a year that if you're not learning and you're not improving yourself and you're not upping your game, then I think you are missing the entire opportunity of the Fallout of you know, all of the negative things that we had to deal with this year for sure and I always like to say that, you know, I think that Cannabis investing on the public markets really started in 2014, right? So we've had about five years or so. So it's good year. It's we're now seeing a five year track record, which is greater than C and then on the latter half 2019 was really the first year of a G7 Nation being fully legal. Sure. Yeah great point right? So it's something to keep into consideration that you know, how do we done this last year our well, I guess our perspectives obviously would be a lot different but now we have some legitimacy behind a lot of these numbers. Yeah, and I think if we just pause to think about the year in review, you know, it's easy to get frustrated with how things have gone. But also you have to remember that. You know, I remember when I started on this journey in 2017. There was still a huge amount of uncertainty about even if legalization was going to happen or when it was going to happen or how it was going to happen. So I think if you were if you had told me in 2017 that hey, you know in your first year of legalization, you're going to have a billion dollars of sales. I would have thought that was pretty good. And that's kind of where we are billion dollar industry that didn't exist before right absolutely could never call. A lot of people were saying that it was going to be three billion dollars or six billion dollars, right Billy. Yeah. Exactly. Well six was a number we talked about in the report. Yeah, right. So so yeah, absolutely and we'll get into that. But I think the first thing I want to talk about in terms of Lessons Learned is something that I'm seeing a lot when I when I read online and there's understandably a lot of frustration and anger. ER and negativity that people who have invested in this space are expressing online and that's understandable. Right? But the first lesson is, you know, no excuses play Like A Champion and everybody who is an investor one of the reasons. I love the sport of investing the business of investing is that everybody is CEO of their own account right when you are the term that gets thrown around very loosely. The industry family office easier. Everybody is a family office. I have a family office. So I'm a family office to write everybody's a family off everybody's head of their own family office. Exactly. So the point I'm making there is just you are in charge when you are deciding to invest in something it is your decision 100% So what irks me is to see when people are blaming Being everybody else for their problems and that is probably a pet peeve that I have in life in general. But especially in investing. I really really don't like it when people choose to blame everybody else but themselves because I think what you lose is you lose the the taking responsibility for your actions, right? Because yes, the company might have screwed up, you know, the government might have screwed up but these are all things that as an investor, you know are out of your control. But you have to be thinking about when you make the investment decision, right? We as investors we take risk we get to enjoy in the reward but we also are subject to the downside and when you go through something like this, if you're going to be upset, you need to be upset at yourself for not seeing what was going to happen or not taking adequate risk adjustment measures or whatever because if you don't walk away thinking like hey, I screwed up where can I do better? You're likely to just repeat your mistakes again and again and again and that's the real tragedy. Yeah. So that's rule number one and that's lesson number one. Learn your lessons. There's a great phrase that my manager told me when I was hired into commercial real estate and he said, you know in this industry and this job you can do everything right and things will still go wrong and when it happens it might not be your fault, but it is your problem. That's actually very insightful. Yeah, I really that really study. He said that to me literally on my first job interview like when I was sitting down to be hired by the company and that always stuck with me because he knew you're going to screw up a lot exactly how to let this guy this guy's gonna have a lot of problems so I don't want him to quit so that always it always stuck with me because like one of my red flags is people who can never admit responsibility when they're wrong, right? Everything is always everybody else's problem where everybody else is Fault, but even if that's the case, you know you as a successful investor you get rewarded for looking ahead and accurately deciding. Hey, does this investment decision make sense given all the risks uncertainty right and don't blame an investment bank for their price Target. If you know for you making your investment decision, that's not how this works. It's your money. You make the decision sure. I mean, you know what? I'm gonna I agree with what you're saying, but I'm just going to kind of pump the brakes a little bit because you know, Do rely on Research? So you do expect some sort of accountability on the reporting Governor sort of the governing bodies sure when you're reporting. So for instance for people to invest in can trust you can't you can't say that to them. Well, no, here's what you can say to them is basically can trust is a great example sort of the Black Swan event, right? Yeah you as an investor could have done everything right and you could have you would have lost a lot of money on can trust right but on the flip side of that is okay. Look what you made a lot of money on can trust. Did you take your profits? Right? What how what amount of money if you I mean in that in that scenario, you're assuming that they've been invested for a long time right A lot of people did catch it at the top because they're coming in and they said hey look like it was fraudulent at the end of the day no a hundred percent I agree. But again, what did you learn from that let's say you caught came in at the very top and you caught this company at the top, right? What did you learn from? What happened in the Fallout that happened? Yes, you can get upset at the management of can trust. Right, and I'm not saying you should let them skate. But what I'm saying is what did you learn? Hmm, right because there are lessons to be learned there. Right? Like did you invest all of your investable assets in one company because maybe then you would have learned. Hey, I really need to be careful. Even the very best company from the outside might still have issues. I'm not seeing right right. So that's I think that's actually a great example of one where you know, it's not necessarily investors fault, but it is their problem. So, how are they going to learn from that and deal with it in the future? That's very true. I agree with you. I'm right. So that's what I'm saying about the mentality. So okay take accountability for ya for your actions, right? You get the upside you get the downside. Mmm, right? Okay. Number two is learn learn learn pay attention. And basically what I started this year of 2019, I would say I was somewhat knowledgeable about cannabis, you know, I followed it from having been invested in it from having done well in investing in it, but I You know, this was really the year that I spent a lot of time, you know through conferences and reading and time and energy and and networking and I spent a lot of time learning about the industry and the end. The lesson is really that there's no free lunch in life. And if you want to make money, it's going to cost you something. Yeah, absolutely, right? It's going to cost you your time. It's going to cost you your effort. It's going to cost you your attention your mental energy. It's going to cost you your band. With and then your Capital obviously, right? So if you want to be successful in this space, like any other space you need to invest that time and energy and pay attention to it for sure for sure. And I wholeheartedly agree with you on that. I'm a big proponent of saying going to these conferences because I find going to these conferences you really keep your thumb on the pulse you meet with other people like ourselves you meet with when I met at a conference exactly exactly and you meet you also meet no Have a seat for me institutional investors, but you also meet the retail investor, right? Yep. And I really - he's yeah, you meet the company's unique companies that you know are shady. Let's say sure. Okay the lack of a better term use of you want to name right here for everybody ABC car? No, but yeah, you mean you meet everybody at these conferences and I actually I think personally I learn more from going to these conferences than I do from reading all the time, right? Right. I obviously I'll read them if there's a flood couple of influencers that I follow in the space sure and then there is no I keep up with the financials and whatnot. I don't even when I go to these conferences. I don't necessarily even attend all the seminars but what I find that I learned the most is from the networking events or going to actually talk. Oh, yeah, one of the companies represent that's where I learned the most the stuff and I learned more about it. Sure. I've learned more about the space through that than through anything else and are really good example. I'm not going to name the company. But we were talking to them. We were interviewing them and we were just got a little bit weary about where they were actually headed in terms of what they actually had. Okay, as we ask that, you know, we ask like very probing questions just like oh like no walks through your balance sheet ball blah and we realize that management was very very very reluctant to go any further than what the balance sheet was saying. Okay, right. Anyways, needless to say the company's not doing that. Well right now okay, but it was because you know, they had some doomsday not doomsday device some issues. They had their issues that you know, what, At first glance you wouldn't be able to see it or by talking to management getting one of them. You kind of got you felt uneasy sure right and that was robbing our conference. Sure. Sure. Sure. So that face-to-face interaction. It's huge. It's yeah and this not the industry. You know, I shouldn't say this the only mystery this is one of very few industries that allow for the retail investor to get in front of some of the top CEOs in the space. That's a great point because I've been able to meet this. I think almost every sort of CEO. I wanted to meet and it's funny for a small private investor, you know to be able to meet CEOs of multi-billion dollar companies, right? It's and when you meet when you meet with them, it's not like they're sort of brushing you off. They give you really really give you the time of day they do they do answer your questions and give you their card. They give you their cell phone number and say call me anytime right and I don't know another industry that has companies of At size that the CEOs are so accessible because they realize they have to be yeah, right because this really is a retail investor dominated space and these people can't afford to really, you know be closed off from investors, right? That's a big part of their job so great point. So I'm glad you brought up the conference's Abby because part of the learning that I wanted to say and what's been my number one thing that I accomplished this year was really building a network, right? And this is something I think I'm Good at which is when I want to learn something new. I will part of my learning is to really network with people find people who I like and I trust and then share information amongst ourselves. Right? So, you know, obviously it's the Genesis for this podcast. Yeah, but also, you know now I've got what I feel is a pretty strong network of well-informed people, you know, High net worth or very involved. Let's say in the space and just Having you know smart people who are paying attention who you can trust and bounce ideas off of I mean, I really can't describe how invaluable that is, right? Because what I see again online and obviously online is skewed but what I see is a lot of people who are sort of deliberately spreading either like fear or you know, hype about something they like or don't like and there's also a lot of paid writers on laws. Absolutely. I'm going to kind of come to that later. Okay when it come to that That later but for sure that's a good point but having you know, I've always believed that you know, if you can build a good team around you right then one plus one can equal three, right? So the idea that when you work together, you can get something more out of it and write the beauty of this industry is for a investment to be successful. It needs a lot of different investors behind it, right? There's no company in this space. I can survive with one investor, so It actually is additive like when I when I talk to people and I say hey, I'm looking at this investment. What do you think right like, what are you seeing? What do you think by comparing notes? We actually learn a lot and what you see is that the same names often come up over and over again, right and that, you know as much as you need to make your own decisions having people you can bounce ideas off of is so key. And for me a big thing is I like to float sort of my idea and my thesis to people and I asked them to shoot holes in it, right? I don't ask them. Just to just to get you know, a yes out of them. I really want people to shoot holes in it and tell me what I'm missing and you know what needs to be done and you know what the risks are right, so I want to see the whole picture and if you if you do that enough, I think you'll get a very good sense of what's going on pretty quickly. I agree. So that's that is learn learn learn those learn learn learn learn whether we're to learn and pay attention. Okay. Sorry, I wasn't paying attention. There you go. Nice. Nice. Nice. Nice. Okay. So in that vein, I'm going to talk about some sort of some of the lessons that I've that I've learned terms of how my mindset has changed from the beginning of the year to the end of the year. Okay, how you've matured how I've sure something like that. The first one is investing versus trading. All right, so when I started out early in the year, I really thought of myself as an investor and I still think of myself as an investor, but I would say that I had a very negative connotation to trading so in my mind trading was basically speculation. It's short term. It's sort of being in and out. Just trying to make a quick buck and we're investing was really more long-term focused. It's and really more fundamental or quality focused. Okay, but it's really tough to find fundamentals in a growth Market. Well, it's sector in a sector that doesn't necessarily have fundamentals yet. Right, but now it's starting to emerge but yet still on the way right but I would say that basically what what I learned and how my mentality is shifted is that before I was I was biased in that investing was like a positive term trading was a negative term right? So somebody said I'm a Her I looked at that very negatively. Right and I think I've said to you before I actually aggressively ignore technical analysis. So when people start talking about candlesticks and dips and Vees, I literally, you know, turn off what I'm listening to it because I don't even want to have the knowledge in my head of what that is. Okay. So that's how aggressively I was sort of ignoring that side of the the stock market. Let's say right? Okay, it's coming from a commercial real estate background, you know, you don't deal with sort of the The those kind of elements of a market right the elements of a the real estate market are very different than the stock market. Hmm. And so how that's changed is that now after spending more time in it, I acknowledge and learned that you know trading is not a dirty word and certainly, you know trading or looking for kind of what goes into short-term decision making actually has its own benefits and is important and I think that a winning strategy Specially in cannabis being that it's such a nascent industry is that you have to look at both, right? So I do think in my strategy. I'm really focused on sort of the quality and longer term. However, you do need to be aware of what drives us talk in the short term things like share on locks things like MMA, you know what, you know things like Equity raises like what puts pressure on a stock in the short. Term and then how that might affect your buying decision, but I feel like that's not limited to cannabis. I feel like that's sort of sector agnostic in the sense that every industry is faced with the same with Myung every commodity actually is well, I think a better way of putting it is that every volatile Industries for sure but also jr. Industries for sure because their cap tables are so much more their cap tables. How do I say this? They have much more junior cap. Right, there's a lot more like warrant structures outstanding and funky stuff like that. And then also the blocks of shares being held by certain groups exactly come off like escrow or come awfully different Sheriff's friction exactly. And then because of the ownership is skewed to retail. Yeah. I don't have that same stability level. Right? Right, you know your volume is lower. So you can your subject to these more difficult exactly the subject to these weird like Rises and falls, right? And that's so I'm really glad that you brought that up because So volume is very important for small cap stocks and you and I chat about some we first met for a lot of people who don't know a lot of these stocks a lot of small cap names trade by appointment and what that means is there's no volume. I put a buy order in the price goes up, right so I'm going off basically just going up because of my by order. Okay, I put a sell order in and the price goes down only because of myself soldiers are moving the stock basically the sock so you got to look at the bid and the ask spread. Sherman the trading volume and if it's very low and the spread is really wide that term is called trading By Appointment God's if you hear that term the stock trades by appointment just means an eel. It's not an e liquid stock, but it's not a liquid stock. Yeah, and I would say it liquid meaning it's fully you can't trade it, but it's very low liquidity low liquidity right at you. If you were to have a sizable portion. You would move that movie, right? Okay. And then in the real estate World we'd say well who cares? I mean, you know, it doesn't matter right but in in this world, it does matters of all right, and so that's what What I learned right that is the importance of those and now how to look for those short-term Factory. Right? So their stock that I look at that I say but again the focus is investing. So if the values there I'll buy I'll buy today but maybe instead of buying, you know, the hundred percent position. Maybe I'll by 50% or 60% and I'll say well there's share on locks coming up. There's this is coming up that's coming up. So maybe I'll wait until this time to see ya right. So that's how the mentality has shifted. And now I'm also more willing. I've no after being humbled by what's happened in the market. More willing to take profits along the way. Yeah, because yeah, you know what? I might be missing out on some profit few later on but also if it goes back the other way, I'd like to be able to buy back in with that extra Capital taken off the table exactly. Right? So so that's how it's changed instead of investing for one of the things that I guess I didn't learn this but this is something that I noticed on the industry. It's I mean, can we agree that? This is a commodity you agree? That's a commodity I kind of think it is on my people selling cannabis cannabis. Yeah cannabis. Like throwing flour in general. Yeah, I think dry flour is a commodity. I think the whole industry is basically based off a commodity right kind of like oil and gas but okay, there's no world cannabis price. Okay, there's World oil prices. There's copper prices gold prices whatever right and that gives you an indication of how like, so that's these gold. So you have the gold price you've got miners if the price of gold goes up the price of miners usually go up as well because they're selling gold right to be don't have that right now in the Cannabis space. As one thing that I really noticed it's really difficult to sort of Peg any irrational movements to anything right because for us you and I have had this discussion just in like our chat groups. How do we fight? Like, you know, we would send each other. Oh this much oil or this one cannabis was sold at this price. This is what these guys are getting a tour you sent me an article being like this is what the actual price for EU is right? Yeah. There's no way to validate that right? Because we don't know that transaction. It was a private transaction that was done reporter reported on it. It could be validity behind there couldn't be right. So I think eventually as this industry sort of matures will start seeing that and I think that the data will get better. Well, yeah, I think I'll be more transparency. They'll be like a world cannabis price p.m. Okay cannabis now $2 or cannabis is now 250, right and it will move just like how regular commodity was how oil moves right? Well 60 bucks. I think the difference is the borders, right? So right now I would say in its really The markets are Regional right? So we have an Ontario market like even in Canada where you can break a minute. All right, you've got wtiu WCS. You got Brent you got right and I don't know oil that well, but my understanding is that it's legal to ship oil from any point of the world to any part of the world. Yeah low tariffs and whatnot. Yeah, right, but you can't do that with canvas right? I'm saying that it's going to eventually I think that once the the industry is maturing. That's when we'll start seeing that sort of world price. Come in will say I'm a little bit more. Yeah. I'm just very ooh doubtful because I think I think for the foreseeable future there will be borders around cannabis. Yeah, even if it's I think even more than countries like I even think that regionally in the u.s. You will have borders around cannabis. Like I think even if they go federally legal I think so because what will happen is the states of invested so much into building out these infrastructures and Frameworks. Yeah, you know, if you go if you go fully legal no state lines, then what happens is all the production centralizes right like and like any other business, but if you're Like Lappy a good thing though. Well, it depends good for who right so it looks consumer sure for the consumer. But again a lot of the reason people have done this is for taxes and jobs and whatever right? So if you are let's pick a State Michigan where it's cold and it's you know, expensive and hard to grow does it Michigan Government necessarily who was early on to adopt full legality. Do they now want to lose this industry and this trade to the middle of the country which can grow cheaper. Right. So I personally think that given the way the Frameworks are gone on so far being very Patchwork. I have a feeling that the states are going to fight very hard to keep it that way and that when it goes but you have this in other Industries like hey, let's not use oil. I mean oil's good example, you could use a level is he's milk. For example in Canada. Milk. Dairy Farmers get charged a premium because but there is still a world milk price, right? I mean what waving once once that kind of comes in then you'll get like a Futures Market derivatives market then this Market will start to behave more like commodity. Okay. So let's say does what's the end the end point? Oh, I'm going back to what you're saying about the whole trading and then the technical analysis. Okay, not then they'll be a lot more validity to it because right now you mean I don't know like you can look at dead cat bounce as you can look at candlesticks. You can look at whatever but I don't so I get like comment to my mean I guess the thought is and again I know nothing about technical analysis, but I guess the thought is that humans are humans and if you can follow Behavior patterns and how people react and you know when there's fear and when there's greed you. Try to adjust that accordingly, right? So sure I believe there's some validity to that because people react how people react. Right? Right. However, I do think that one of the challenges is with with you know, that fear is if you're only doing technical analysis and you ignore the fundamentals. Yes, you can trade the ups and downs, right but I think ultimately the risk is that you can get caught holding something that is really worthless. Right and you're trading the ups and downs and then suddenly it drops like a rock on you and You know now you're stuck right now you take it. I don't like technicians. Like I'm not a technician by any means but I don't think technicians ignore fundamental analysis. I think the whole I know I know there's definitely want to do like absolutely and I know some very popular ones who have yeah listen to just out of curiosity and they've they've said like like the same way, I aggressively ignore technical they aggressively nor fundamentals gotcha. So I know that's out there. I'm not saying everybody does that. Yeah. I think the for me at least the right track as an investor the right strategy was to marry the two It was to say no, I believe in the fundamental investing but I need to learn what I can from the Traders and see how that applies to what I'm doing. Right? So it's let's say 80% of that sort of core fundamental 20% taking the things that made sense for me and learn from that. Look right--yeah looking at the volume. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. I know. Sorry. I also think that like, yeah as this continues as this industry does continue to mature. We will start seeing that yeah unified world price and they'll be an exciting day when that happened. Interesting to see what happens, right? If it does get to that point then yeah, it'll be full on just a commodity right now. You can ship it from one part of the globe to another right now, you know, there's very stringent rules around that the medical only etc. Etc. But if that day comes it's a completely different ballgame, right? So, let's see who knows so next on the list in terms of learning actually this kind of relates to what we were just talking about which is data and the point is read the data not the headlines and this is one of my pet peeves for a while, which is that investors and I'm use that term loosely but investors in the Cannabis trade have been buying and selling based on what they read in the newspaper or even just what the headline says and Getting into the actual text right wasn't that wasn't very there's a canopy article or can it be results that came out? Yeah, like a 1.25 or 2 billion or something huge loss, but on paper it was you know, 200 million not billion read it. Yeah exactly and this relates to the whole topic of what we're discussing today, which is upping your game improving yourself. Like we are we have shifted from that hype driven. Getting type of investment ecosystem to now the results based right? It's gone from the tell me to the show me. So if you are not changing how you invest that's a problem. So before yeah the company who shouted the loudest and got the most attention. That was the company that's share price was going to do the best because they were the best at marketing themselves. That's all that mattered. But now it's chill it's shifted right and you have to be looking at the financial result when they come out If you are not good if you are avoiding doing that because you don't know how to read a balance sheet. Then you need to acknowledge that you need to take responsibility of that and you need to fix that. Right? Ultimately you have to fix your weak points. You need to start looking at the raw data and you need to start or at least you need to have sources who look at it and explain it it you know, like you have to have some way of absorbing that data. You can't just read headlines anymore. It's not good enough for or the reality that we're in now going into 2020, right? It's not just stories that sell anymore. You need some meaningful numbers to back it up. Absolutely. Absolutely and and it'll give you some examples like if you read the data you it's like literally a crystal ball that lets you see what's happening and what's going to happen going forward. So for example, you know, I talked about having that Network, right? Well the first conference I went to I met somebody and you know, he was he was very sophisticated guy and he Vested going to quite some money into different funds and so we ended up becoming like pen pals we end up sending e-mails back and forth. And so he meant he was the first one ever mentioned to me. Let me know we're talking like four or five months ago. He said hey, have you noticed that in Canada? There's a huge buildup of inventory and the inventory is building up at higher way higher levels and they're selling it doesn't this seem like a problem to you and he had found this stats can article in page. That nobody was talking about that shows you pretty clearly the data of how much inventory is building up month-over-month. And the first time he showed it to me. I kind of said well, I mean, yeah, it's a bit concerning but sales are still ramping up. Let's see Ontario only has 24 stores. So that's a problem. But when did he show you this data? This must have been at least four to five months before anybody was talking about it? Like a long time before anybody was talking about it and that actually became like something that sort of I knew and processed and said, yeah, of course and then it's funny to see then, you know. For five months and then you know, some people did bring it up and it was mentioned sort of in passing and it was interesting to see online. Everybody just said well that's going to be converted to oil. It doesn't matter right and so only recently in Q4 of this year company started having all these negative results, like really really bad results and you know, they got punished for it in the market and all the CEOs came on the calls and said there's too much inventory buildup sales aren't high enough. We don't have enough distribution and it was like almost Night or over a couple of nights. Suddenly. Everybody got the talking point. And then everybody online was saying this is all Ontario's fault. We don't have enough distribution, etc, etc, which is true. But again, we could have seen this coming with the data. If you were paying attention to the data you could see there was an inventory buildup, right? So it's a little bit of mental gymnastics to sort of ignore it ignore it ignore it ignore it and then suddenly oh, this is a huge problem, right? Yeah, because the first time I heard that was actually this year last this time last year was when people started talking about improving on December October basically legalization happened people isn't like that's when that stats Canada website after website been around for a while. Yeah, but that's beginning for sure did. I know if you first and if and if you just look at it, like I said, like if you just look at the headlines if you just look at the graph, it's pretty flat. Right when you start looking at the numbers. That's when you start seeing the very like the the growth rate right the growth rate for inventory billion trade back. Yeah. Yep, growing quite exponentially and it was funny that you mention that excuse me. It's funny that you mention that because an analyst that I know here. He was bringing that up quite a bit and he was the one who was saying he was preaching extraction and at that time, A lot of people. I don't think we're seeing that value right but it's just now if you recall it's just it's just crazy to see that how quickly the the the the conversation has shifted in the in the Cannabis space specifically from that inventory buildup because Bosher this time everybody was talking about short like sorry Supply not meeting demand charges. Yeah supplies, right? Nobody talks about that. I mean, right right, which is just hilarious to see right. It is funny to see how quickly it shifted, right? It was like not even once well earlier in the year 2019 it was shortage of short of shortage and then that started to we didn't save your large. Oh my in a larger role me. Yeah, it was funny because again like if you start looking at the data that wasn't there anymore, right? So what I'm saying is find the data for yourself go dig it up yourself like the Florida iommu weekly data is released every week. You can see full transparency. What every company in Florida is selling how the Florida Market? Is growing so you know when I start talking about Liberty Health a few weeks ago before it had its huge run, you know, I ended up looking looking really good and I did really well on the investment but it wasn't rocket science. It was literally just I was paying attention to the data that other people weren't right. So I could see that their next earnings were going to be you know far outsized from what their market value was. Right? So find the data yourself and look at it yourself be curious be critical, you know, always ask yourself. Am I? What am I some shinned? What am I risks? Am I being too aggressive my being too conservative and the numbers matter Financial results matter the margins matter don't take the CEOs at their words when they say it's going to get better. How's it going to get a break? But get better. How much is it going to get better? How long is it going to take right? There's a lot of I think critical thinking that needs to be done on investors parts. And you know again if you're just reading headlines, it's not nearly good enough anymore. Oh and lastly, this is your earlier Point watch your sources every Source, I believe is biased including us right or not pay. This is labor of life. Well, if you're getting paid, well, that's true. But but the point is that we are still biased because we're investors. We have our own Investments we have Own way are we going about things right? But there's multiple sources that I watch online or listen to and you need to ask yourself sort of what's their track record what's in it for them? You know are they honest when they make mistakes, they look back and say wow. I was wrong about that. Right which is something that I hope will we always try to do right what we just delete the episode. Yeah. I'm kidding. Yeah a little bit of a red flag right there if they do that, but you know, are you getting your information from good? Sources like that's really important too because what you want is you want honest thoughtful informative discussion on what's happening, right? That's that's the goal. Okay, so coming to the end of the list what else we learned quality versus quantity. So at the beginning of the year, I started the Year by sort of investing in everything shiny. Okay. So there was a lot of fomo going on at the beginning of the year. It was a lot of you know things were taking off especially in the u.s. I had pivoted to looking at the u.s. Very hard and So suddenly it was like, oh there's all these different opportunities and companies and Etc. And the way I sort of work is for me to really pay attention. I have to invest a little bit of money into a name and then I follow it more right so I'm literally invested in it, right? So I started the year with a really wide portfolio of shiny names and I'm finishing the year with a very slimmed-down portfolio of names that I feel are winners. Okay. So what is a winner we've talked about this before we'll talk about it again. For me, it's having cash in the bank having access to cash having cash flow and good margins having a history of execution and then being in the right market and being the right business right quality management as well quality forget about the people that are involved. Absolutely. Yeah, I kind of fold that into execution but you're right management should be a standalone. So it doesn't mean that I'm not gambling there still are companies that are more of Gamble's earlier stage companies, for example Technically, you know, I'm putting that in quotes gambling, right you taking more of a risk, but the lesson is guys get get paid for taking a risk. Okay, so too often I see people, you know looking at a company and there could be nothing wrong with the company. It's just that if the valuation is too high then all of the everything has to go perfectly sort of for the company to perform and for you to even break even on the company, right so When I look at I mentioned before price targets, right and and a lot of people have a lot of anger towards the investment Banks, right and when an investment Bank comes out with a price target of $10 on the stock. Okay sure that the data point but I don't even really care that they came out with $10. I'm more interested of how did they get to $10? Sure right. I want to read through the report and get to the part where they talk about valuation, right and they talk about why and how they think it's worth $10 because a lot of times What you would see is that they say well we think are going to make this much money next year, right and then the multiplier we're going to attach to that is 25 times, right and that's how we get to $10. Okay. And so I sit back and I say okay 25 times that seems pretty aggressive right? Let's run some sensitivity here what happens if it only gets 10 times or 15 times, right like more online would sort of traditional businesses with less risk, right? And if you do it that way then you look at what the price is. Right instead of being 10 dollars. Maybe it's seven dollars or six dollars. And if the price it's a price of the stock right now is already seven dollars, right then you look at that and say you have to ask yourself if everything goes right, but they get a lower multiple. I'm sort of just breaking even right. Am I getting adequately paid for the risk? I'm taking right? That's what you really need to think about when I say quality, right? What is the risk reward if I'm going into something earlier stage? I better be getting a better risk reward. Word out of it, right and I do think you're starting to see that now especially in the private Market you're starting to see I think things have kind of shifted the other way where there's a lot of negativity in capitals very hard to get so because of that people are offering very good deals, right and very very I think reasonable deals and well-structured Deals and stuff like that. Right but in the public markets, you still have this kind of problem and if I'm you know, just going to speak very honestly about large Canadian LPS, for example, one of the Alms is when you're valued at you know, two five eight billion dollars, but you're doing very small sales. And your Market is limited by just the number of people there in the various government regulations. You look at all of the things that have to go right just for you to be worth that number and you start thinking to yourself, you know, there might be nothing wrong with this company, but the valuation is still too rich for me to be adequately rewarded for the risk. I'm taking For sure for sure and one other thing that I would add actually talk touched on it before was sources. Yeah, right when you're looking at Investment Banking reports find out if the company's their client they disclose it for sure for sure. They and it's usually like, you know, they try to be as unbiased as possible. But I mean it's in the day, you know, maybe that 25 times multiplier. You're like ha, you know, these guys are the investment banking clients are the lead runner on the book. They've got a vested interest at least something that organization does of some sort. For sure, I would even go so far to say though that almost every investment every big Investment Bank was involved in cannabis has a vested interest in almost every company because yes canaccord might be the lead bookrunner. But realistically they share that deal with everybody right? Everybody's taken a piece. So everybody's making money on this whether or not to delete realistically and then something that I've heard. I don't know if this is true, but apparently some large percentage right like almost, you know, like very close to a hundred percent. Of price targets and reports and coverage that's written our by recommendations or hold recommendations. It's very rare for investment Banks to write sell recommendations. And if you just think about it for a second, what's the incentive for a company that literally sells stock two people two cells Investments people to write a sell rating, right? I mean, yes, they gain some credibility by doing it but really they piss off a lot of people right? They piss off the company they piss off other. Is a piss off a lot of people so the system is not set up for you know, the Investment Bank necessary to give you unbiased advice. That's not how it works. Right? They're not running a charity. They're running a business. Okay. So it is what it is, right you have to you know, I read those reports out of curiosity to read the valuation section and also because they often have good information about the company, but if you're making your investment decisions based on those and I think you're setting yourself up for failure. Gotcha. So that's my sort of two cents on that. Very last point on finishing out the year. Don't sweat the fomo. We talked a lot about the fear of missing out this year. Right? I think that phase of the Cannabis investing cycle has passed us and from a logical perspective. The reason I say that is because this is a capital intensive business. I think in 2019. We finally learned just how capital-intensive it is after seeing raised after raised after raised and companies. Still needing more money, even the best of companies, right and we're gonna have another episode where we go through what sort of my top picks are going into 2020, but even the best of companies will have to keep raising money. That's just a reality of where we are today. And if you want to be a world-class organization, it takes a lot of money. So what that means is that, you know, every time there's an equity raise. Typically you see values drop, right? So it just means that there's no Easier fast money like a lot of that's already happened in past now, right? So it's gone, you know, my mentality has gone from you know, if I saw an opportunity and it's like oh this this could take off. I really had to be a part of it. I didn't want to miss it right now I've shifted and I'm like, you know what? I'm not going to make all of the money on all of the Investments. That's not what I'm here to do. Right? I'm not I'm not here to call every ball and strike. What I'm here to do is find the pitch. Makes sense to me that I think I can you know hit reasonably. Well, right so that means that there's going to be deals that I passed on that end up doing really well, right. There's going to be deal that I passed on that don't do so. Well, right right. There's going to be deals that I do that do well and I'm like, oh, I wish I did more right that's that is what it is. Right? It's more important to try to get just carefully pick the winners then try to pick everything right and and that goes to sort of the last point which is I think that the ETF model for cannabis is sort of over originally you could maybe buy a little bit of everything and everything kind of went up together and went down together. Right? So it was like you're sort of spread out over the sector the sector does. Well you do. Well, right. This will go into sort of the next episode which is about predictions going forward, but you're going to start to see the separation now from the winners from the losers in the markets from the good markets in the bad markets, so It's not so much about owning everything now and trying to ride the wave it's really about. You know focusing and batting down and try to get the ones that are winners. Sounds good. Sounds good. There you go, Abby. They're all the Lessons Learned for 2019. What do you think there was more lessons than that learned over the past year. We only have half an hour or so to get it to get him out. So he had half an hour and it took us 50 minutes. So there you go. See wow, give or take give or take so okay guys. There you go. There are the lessons for 2019 on a personal note. 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If you are not changing the way you invest going into 2020 you are in trouble! In this end of the year episode we recap the top 5 lessons learned for Cannabis Investing. #1 - No Excuses, Play Like A Champion - Every investor is the CEO of their own account - Take full responsibility for your own results and learn from your mistakes - "It's not your fault but it is your problem" #2 - LEARN LEARN LEARN & Pay Attention - The importance of investing time and energy into learning this space - Continually evolving your thinking in this fast moving environment - Building a network of trustworthy investors to bounce ideas off of #3 -  Investing vs Trading in Cannabis - Shifting away from the negative stigma of Trading - Learning what can affect short term movements of a stock - Marrying the best of both worlds to find the strategy that works best for you #4 - Read Data NOT Headlines - Importance of reading past the headlines - Acknowledge your weaknesses and improve upon them - especially if they are financial related - Future will be financial and results based - make sure you are analyzing for yourself! - Good data is like a crystal ball - Beware paid and biased information sources (including investment banks) #5 - Quality over Quantity - Shifting from a broad portfolio of shiny companies to a consolidated list of winners - Willing to make lower profits in favour of lower risk - Getting paid for taking risk on earlier stage names - Running sensitivity on valuations to see what the margin for error is CLOSING - NOMO FOMO - This business is extremely capital intensive, even the best companies will need to keep raising - Investors will have chances to buy into these companies along the way as equity raises will be needed - Keep evolving your mindset into 2020 and beyond! Please note: This episode was recorded before the Trulieve short report came out. Our detailed breakdown of the Trulieve report here:   https://www.reddit.com/r/weedstocks/comments/ebztnd/my_analysis_of_the_trul_trulieve_short_report/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x  Next Episode: Top Predictions for 2020

Welcome to haken in Animal Crossing podcast gear podcast dedicated to all things Animal Crossing episode. 103 is brought to you by a vidalia one of our newest patreon patrons today Sergio and I are going to talk about the latest hakken artwork Animal Crossing amiibo in New Horizons and the possibility of vacations in animal. Crossing said it begin. Hello Sergio. How are you doing? Hi, Chuy. I'm doing rather awesome. It was a pretty cool weekend. I spent most of it at Las Vegas. He was a nice little weekend getaway if you will. Oh, yeah. I totally forgot you were out of town until just today. Yeah. Well, that's cool. Did you make time to play Luigi's Mansion while you were there? Yes, definitely mostly before but I did play a little bit over there. And of course I was looking out for Animal Crossing things. We went to a game store like an old retro games shop in I saw a pair of you know, the beat art, you know like that pixelated look aren't ya ya bum by ISO one for recent Cyrus and I wanted to give them for you so bad, but they told me those were just for display not for sale. Oh, man. Yeah, they let people put it in your store. If you're not gonna sell it. Come on. No, that's cool. I I actually recently got a present for you that you don't know what it is. Yeah, you're gonna get it around December when I go over there. Thank you. So I think you'll like it. Yeah, I ask you some questions a while back to find out what to get. So yeah, I think it'll be a nice surprise when we finally do another meet up. Yeah, maybe yeah, maybe we should just like make it a thing see if other people who listen to the show in California one. Show up somewhere and play games and everything. Of course, that'll be a lot cooler. Once New Horizons is actually out. Yeah, so soon. We'll make that happen. Yeah, sounds great. So let's we can't go too far into this show without of course talking about this new hakken artwork for those of you who are listening or watching on YouTube. You are getting the whole picture right here. This is the haken artwork for November. It's a pretty beautiful. I love it so much and the for those of you who clicked on the podcast. I'm hoping this image has updated by the time you're clicking on it. So yeah, if it is you just clicked on the new hick and artwork. So this piece is by IV tease. I think they also go by dirt Goblin on social media bit, but I know them as I've ETS, but essentially I This artist because I saw they had a really unique piece of artwork. That was Animal Crossing related where it was like a reinterpretation of the characters with kind of more realistic animal features, you know. Oh, yeah. So on their website, I think at the top it says odd Crossing for the peace, but on their website, they called it odd forest and I like both of those because of course it Blends Animal Crossing and Anna. Mille Forest yeah, which are the two English and Japanese titles for the game, but I don't know. I really loved the look of their artwork as I looked through more of their website and everything and I was just like this it has to be the next artist because they do such amazing work with like interiors and everything which wasn't really captured in their Animal Crossing peace. So I kind of liked getting to see them all. Blended together, you know where they just have like this big room full of things and you know, it's pretty crowded and there's lots of stuff they called it maximalism as opposed to you know, minimalism. So yeah, it's just like a room with and if you look closely like a lot of this stuff is like actual Animal Crossing furniture that you'll find in the game. I especially really love the little modern wood table on the right. Right with the kind of record player there. That one is one of my favorite pieces, of course in the game. But as far as villagers go / special characters at Sergio. I know I wrote this down. Have you seen them yet or do you want to guess who they are? No, I saw them but they do look pretty nice. I wouldn't be able to guess them though. Fortunately. Okay. Okay. So on the left, of course, we have Franklin. Is the turkey that comes by every Harvest to you know, celebrate the Harvest Festival with all of your little animal friends. And then in the center to the right of Franklin, we have another bird but this one is a chicken named Knox and Knox is a little chicken that wears a helmet kind of like a armor. Like what's the word? I'm looking for like a night helmet, you know. Yes. So Jackie. Picked knocks because I was as I do I always pull out the calendar that I have the official Nintendo calendar that has like all of the Villager faces and everything and she saw Knox and she was like that is the cutest little chicken. So I think she also really like that. It's got like kind of a Don Quixote feel to him. So right yeah where he's, you know, kind of a night trying to be a knight in shining armor. But yeah, he's really cute. He quickly became one of Jackie's favorite villagers. So fun fact right there. And then the last one is Antonio with his really cool like kind of black and white color scheme and I really wanted Antonio in it because we I try to get a new type of villager in all of these pieces as much as possible and I don't think we'd had an anteater before we definitely never had a turkey because that's the only turkey the game is but yeah, I really like just blending all of the animals and seeing how they come out and really like the colors of all of them worked so well and they all look really good in this piece. So what do you think of it Sergio? Oh, it's really really good. Like like I said, there's a lot going on. There's a lot of detail but in you know in a way it still feels like Animal Crossing like you feels more HD, which is what we're getting with New Horizons, I think in my engine. Yeah. Yeah, and it's kind of You know, it's so high definition the animals look real, you know, but yeah, I really I'm in love with this piece. I'm really excited to have it for you know, just November 10th November in case you don't know is my favorite month of the year October is my second favorite, but these two months have been so fun to have artwork for and I've been really happy with what we've had. Yes. So yeah, I guess before I get too far. I do want to say all credit goes to I be teased for this piece. We got if you want to follow them on Twitter and Instagram, they are at Ivy T's that's IV Whitey EAS and I'll have all of those links in the description as well. And then they also have a website with their portfolio, which is IV T's dot Wick site.com puddle song / info. So once again, I know that's a lot to take in audibly. But check the description. It's all right there, you'll have links to their social media and their portfolio and I'm I really want you to check out their work because if you look at it, it's just got like this really amazing Studio Ghibli vibe to it. And yeah, it's all very like magical for being generally like a normal setting, you know, yeah. Yeah because this this piece itself like they're all sitting around a table and everything and there's furniture and Stuff, but it just it feels magical. It feels like something special is happening there. Yes. Yeah. So yeah, once again check the description for their work go look at their other artwork. It's really amazing. And yeah, just enjoy what they're putting out there because it's always this is an exciting time for me every podcast where we get to a new month and we get to see a new piece of artwork and because I don't know. When I first started this I was like, oh, yeah, let's go with the seasons. I was just going to do winter, you know, spring autumn summer all the seasons and everything and then we hit a goal on our patreon and I was like, you know what let's do this monthly. So so moving to the monthly I think was great. We get to enjoy more artwork. I think the one thing is like I wish we could enjoy it a little bit longer, but you know, we're working on a calendar that's going to By law all of these pieces of art together for everybody. So stay tuned with that. I'm trying to have everything compiled for that by mid-January. So hopefully we can get pre-orders open by February and then everybody can get their calendar in March to accompany them with New Horizons of the perfect. I'm so excited for this game. And I feel like it's getting faster the way I feel like Like we're in November now, they're little November December January and February are the last four months that we have to exist without this game. So it feels good. Yeah, and I feel like really good games like you just Luigi's Mansion three are helping with that because you know, we get distracted by then. We play them we love them. And then also another month has gone by yeah. Yeah, it's true. And I think right now the schedule is pretty packed. It's been packed like this. Whole end of the year, so I have a lot of games to play between these next releases like Pokemon is less than two weeks away at this point. Yes, that's insane. We just got Luigi's Mansion this past week and now we're just going to be able to play those two games and then get our fill with them. And then finally Animal Crossing will be out and we won't need any other games after that. Sergio I'm really glad you have your vacation planned out already. Yes. Yeah, that's going to be great. I'm going to be really jealous. I'm going to be sitting at work and we all like I could be playing Animal Crossing right now saved my two weeks of vacation for this cool. So once again enjoy this artwork go check out I beat he's everywhere and yeah, that's all I gotta say about that. Very nice. Nice. All right. So let's move into this next section of the podcast and we're going to be talking about Animal Crossing amiibo. So I've seen this question pop up a few times in multiple places, but a lot of people are always wondering if there's going to be amiibo functionality in the game and I'll I should have looked up the exact interview where we found this information. I think we have it in our Discord on the bulletin board. But yes, essentially the developers have confirmed that amiibo functionality is coming to New Horizons all of the animal crossing amiibo will work. Essentially. I think they did this interview with the French publication. I think this was the one but they essentially said like we made nearly 500 Animal Crossing amiibo. It's only fair that we make them functional in this new game. And honestly it is because I spent a lot of money collecting all of them. So I'm gonna hope that I can use them in this next game. Yes. Yeah. So like I said, there's almost 500 of these things and that's just Animal Crossing alone. Like you think there's a lot of Smash Bros amiibo, but it's really got nothing on Animal Crossing and of course, I mean overall maybe you've spent a little less based on the price of Animal Crossing amiibo most of them work. Cards and if you got them in packs at retail, you're spending about six dollars for six cards, unless you were in Europe, which was unfortunate. I think they got that dispense six dollars for like three card. Yeah, so that's rough. But anyways, so all of us who have spent a lot or have been looking for these and you know, maybe bought them for a little bit more on eBay Amazon wherever You have it all of us are of course hoping that they work and luckily the developers said that they will and they understand that we all spent a lot of money on these things so we should be safe there. But I do have some questions for us to answer Sergio. And this first one is do you think they will re-release the existing amiibo cards and figures for those who missed them? I think so. I feel like they almost have to simply because you know, they stay did confirm the amoeba are gonna work and also because honestly when they came out he was mostly for happy home designer, which was great. He was very nice to have another animal crossing game on the 3DS the first spin-off but then again it was a spinoff. So I feel like having the amiibo available for a Mainline released its really gonna basically sell the amiibo. So I feel like they do An in they really should we release them. You know, you're totally right and I totally forgot that these amiibo were essentially just planned for this spin-off title for Animal Crossing and we've already seen Nintendo look at that massive amount of amiibo they made and be like, all right, we'll give them a break. They can use it in New Leaf as well. Let's do a welcome amiibo update which you know, like it's called The Welcome amiibo update it was built around this amiibo functionality. Ality, so already we've seen Nintendo be very generous in not only like providing a free update for the game but giving us more uses for the massive amount of amiibo cards that they made available, you know? Yes. Yeah, so I am going to agree with you essentially. I think they will release a re-release these existing amiibo just because like a lot of people are coming into this game for the first time and a lot a lot of people just were in a different spot in their life back then and maybe they did just didn't know or get to the amiibo on time. So there are a lot of people looking for them and I think with just knew life being brought to the game with New Horizons. It's going to make people a lot more interested. It's kind of reinvigorate that interest in amiibo and you know the cards there's a lot of history with the cards with Nintendo and Animal Crossing. So like Nintendo has a company there are over a hundred years old and they literally started by making playing cards, you know, and when we moved into well when they moved into like making video games and everything the GameCube implemented a little bit more of that expertise that Nintendo had by introducing the Animal Crossing e-reader cards, and so you could scan in the e-reader cards and get some special things in that animal. Crossing game but overall it was like when they announced they were doing cards again for the amiibo as well as figures. I mean we wanted figures for sure, but overall when they added cards I was like, this is awesome. I missed out on buying Animal Crossing e-reader cards for the GameCube game. This is my chance to kind of relive that to some extent, you know, yeah, so I think they can do that for other people they can rear East these amiibo cards and they can relive essentially something they missed which is what I got to do back when they first came out. So right I'm hoping for everybody. Yes that they come out especially those Sanrio cards, please bring them to North America. They did not release in North America and that led to a lot of sadness in my heart because I wasn't able to get them and I had to pay more. Oh, yeah. Luckily. I got a good deal. But that's another story. Okay. I have another question for you Sergio. Okay. Do you think that they will add to the amiibo collection? Yes, especially because it's almost a guarantee right that we're gonna get new special characters or at least new regular villagers. I feel like they pretty much have to make amiibo for them. I feel like if there's a special characters that would have those would be a better fit. For a amiibo figures in the new Villages could get new cards. Yeah. Yeah, I think you're totally spot on there. Like if they're going I mean a lot of us are suspecting. There's going to be a Dodo villager. Yeah her special character. Yep. Just based on there being a Dodo Airlines which I mean there's still so much that they need a show about this game. Show us the inside of Dodo Airlines show us a lot. I want to know more but yeah, if they're making special characters if they're making new villagers, it would make sense to put out. Set that had those new special characters and you villagers and you know, we seem them do sets of 100 sets of 50 and you know, depending on how many characters they add I could see them doing fifty to a hundred more amiibo cards to add bringing that number from 500 500 to nearly 600 amiibo cards and figures yikes. That's a lot, but I have binders. Nintendo I have room give them to me I have room I'll make room but yeah, I agree. I think I also want to see more figures though. I don't want all you just be cards. I want to see I and I keep a little sticky note on my computer with all of the amiibo figures that were missing from special characters and I feel like I've listed these before but give me at least like a bruise. Stir give me Mabel or at sorry. No, I mean Sable because we got Mabel we didn't get Sable give me tortimer. I really love tortimer. There's so many really great special characters that we just don't have amiibo for labelled Joan Harriet Leaf. Come on. Yeah, if is adorable. Yeah, everybody wants that figure. So yeah, I think give us figures of everybody. Yeah, I guess you can skip the village. Sure, sure, but everybody all the special characters. I'll make room Nintendo. I already said it. Yeah, my shelf is pretty full with the ones that already exist right now. And you only have about what 16 KK sliders. Yeah. Yeah. So there's room for a couple hundred more. Yeah, especially if they make a deejay cake at me, but which figure which they showed they really should just having him with his like DJ thing. What do they do? That like the turntable. Yeah, that's the one I'm like, yeah or yeah, that would be awesome. I would totally get that Plush Version. Yeah Giant plus. Yeah $500. That's it. Yeah cool. So I also wanted to point out that we've had several and several. I guess amiibo that weren't from Animal Crossing that worked on you lie if we had Zelda amoeba. Bo Splatoon amiibo even Monster Hunter made an appearance in this game. Am I forgetting anything that worked in the game and I believe that's it. Yeah. Nothing else comes to mind right away. Mmm. All right. Yeah, I'm pretty sure those are the ones but they had like specially designed characters for all of these like you could get Gannon to live in your town if you wanted them to and you had like medley from Wind Waker and like even there were a couple squirrel characters after Callie and Marie from Splatoon and there was of course feline from Monster Hunter. So there's so many really like unique characters that came out of this whole amiibo thing and I'm really hoping that they decide to support those as well. So I did want to ask you like do you think they will continue to support amiibo from other games and even maybe add support for other titles? Yes, I believe so mostly to support, you know to have villagers based on other game series because in a way you're promoting both whether it be a Nintendo or a third-party. It's nice to promote them and I feel like they do it in a very proper way because the characters are we've gotten so far they make sense as villagers. It's not you know, they're not really reaching with who they put in the game. So I feel like if they continue to do that it's going to be very beneficial to the to Animal Crossing into the series that they promote. Yeah. Yeah, and I agree they like Two characters that really did work for the game Epona a horse. Yeah, we have Horace villagers. Yeah better and so a wolf link. We got a wolf villager. Yeah, that's link. It's amazing. I mean, I don't understand why they didn't make Callie and Marie like the octopus type of villager and they went with squirrels instead, but you know what it works. But yeah, I'd say yes to this as well otherwise like these characters that they invented for the for New Leaf will essentially go into that really long sad list of villagers that never came back and I just don't want to see that 10. It happened any more villagers. I'd rather see more and more of them get resurrected and brought back and see more and more of them get discarded essentially and left outside of the I think that's a bummer but I feel like I had something else to say. Oh, yeah, I would also really love like some more Nintendo characters to show up. So this actually ties into my next question for you Sergio. And that is what other games I guess amiibo. Would you like to be supported in the Animal Crossing Series? So what I was thinking is basically any video game animal that would make sense as a villager like I'm guessing Nintendo would prioritize Prioritize their first party games, you know like we could get maybe Yoshi as an Ami as a villager a Koopa makes a lot of sense Poulter pup makes sense. And it's very topical these days. There was a kangaroo in some of the sealed against the Oracle against called Ricky he would be really cool as a villager basically any animal in again. It can even lead to third-party collaborations again. Yeah. Yeah, and I think you're spot on with that like if it's already an animal it should be an I personally I don't think that there's anybody who doesn't want Pokemon villagers, like we've seen a lot of fan art of people turning Pokemon into villagers already and it just works it works so well and they look adorable first off but second off. Yes, give me them. I want a little Cyndaquil villager Cyndaquil is my favorite Pokemon just so you all know. I love singing. But yeah, I want to see Pokémon as villagers and I mean as much as people avoid playing pocket camp and everything pocket camps the first game that gave us like Pokemon collaborations with Animal Crossing from we got Pokeballs that we could put on our furniture and everything and there was all these Pokémon themed Furniture. We even got an Eevee outfit so we could dress up this TV so I know I think like Pokemon and Animal Crossing. I feel like the fan bases really mix. Well, you know, I think a lot of us who like Animal Crossing also like Pokemon and vice versa. Yeah, there are still those who don't so much but I don't know I think our fandom really mixes a lot and we appreciate cute animals that we collect and can live with yes. Yes, definitely. Yeah. All right, so I have one One last question in this is kind of a big one because a lot of this whole amiibo functionality. It really depends on like what does it do? So I want to ask you like, what would you like to see? Amiibo do in this new game? Okay. Well, let's say I'm not sure if they're gonna do the same thing. They did a new Leaf where basically if you have the card of the specific villager you want basically you can move them. I mean to your town right away that might still happen. They might tweak that a little bit or it might be something completely different but one you think that I think they can add to amiibo for this game is everyday you can scan one amiibo either a card or a figure and they would give you either they would give you a nine and an item in the game. It could be like a guaranteed a hundred percent chance that you get it or maybe like a 50/50 chance. It depends but I feel like they would have to script every amiibo with a specific item. So it's not random. It just depends on what card or figure your scan every day. So I feel like it could possibly lead to I don't know any random amiibo card leading to a very special and rare item and then you would see people going crazy for it on eBay, you know, but I feel like it would be nice to have a little something to do with amiable in Animal Crossing every day because we Have some of that in other games like in Fire Emblem. I think it just makes sense. Yeah. Yeah, I I like that aspect because it I'm going to talk about this a little bit too because a lot of people really didn't like the the fact about how powerful amiibo where if you had them where you could essentially just pick which characters you wanted to live in your town, you know, and for me, I don't know I we're old-school Animal Crossing players, which means like we I've seen a lot of villagers come and go and I think when you've played as long as it's us, you're more okay with that and then then when you first start playing the game, like when my first favorite villager moved away that was devastating. That's a heartbreaking moment. And then eventually you get over it and you move on and you start to appreciate that kind of Life capturing aspect to it where people don't stick around forever. They Move to different places but yeah, I think switching it to like having it be a chance of getting an item. That is like very special or that you've never gotten before. I think it's a cool way to do it for sure. Yeah. Mmm. Yeah, so my idea and I really I really liked some aspects of the amiibo functionality and New Leaf specifically the welcome amiibo update. Cards which came with their own style of villager cards, which were the campers, you know, and what was special about those was it would call a villager over to your place and they would be in a camper in the special campsite and you got to go into their camper and it was decorated. Like they wanted it decorated and you could buy furniture from them using the special type of currency there the meow coupons, you know, yeah, and so I really liked that I really liked. We got to see a lot of our villagers in a different space, especially the special characters. Like if you scanned in a figure, for example, you could see Isabel just relaxing for once in her life. And that's that's important to me, you know, like kind of capturing that aspect of the villagers don't have to work all the time. Yeah can take a break. Yeah. So my idea is I would want them to keep that feature, but I want the camper to get updated to like a houseboat type of thing and that houseboat can dock on your Island and so there'd be like a little peer that you could go to and maybe like two or three villagers can show up at one time there and they could essentially, you know have a little houseboat you walk in you get to see their style and everything and you can you know, enjoy a special character for a little bit in a new setting and then also keep buying their furniture and If you know, yeah and also okay Motors they can work on houseboats to because I love that. Oh, yeah, and I want them to do I want them to do something and you Horizon. Yes, but yeah, that's that's my idea and you know personally I think they should not let us be able to get villagers to move in because I prefer the old-fashioned way, but if they can, you know, there's no harm in me for that. So if they do let you move in villagers in that way. That's something I can easily avoid doing. Yeah, and the people who want to do it can still do it. Yes. Definitely. Yeah, so that's my idea. Oh, yeah, very nice. Yeah, so I'm excited about that. So yeah, I think that's all we can say about Animal Crossing amiibo for now. I really do hope that they re release them all there's so many and it's hard to collect them all and you know, even collecting just like a pack or two would be Nice for a lot of people. Yeah, I feel like whenever they discuss more in depth what the enemy were going to do in the game. They really have to discuss this close basically if they plan to release or not. So either way I think when we find out what they're going to do, we're going to find out if how easy it's going to be to get them again. Yeah, it'll be for sure during that one hour direct for Animal Crossing that they're going to have on February. Wait. Let me look at the calendar. I'm gonna guess February 20th. Oh exactly a month before New Horizons is out. That's my guess nice. All right. So let's go ahead and move on to this next section of the podcast and we're going to talk about vacations in Animal Crossing New Horizons and Sergio. You wrote a lot here. You have some big ideas for this. So I'm going to let you take it away for for now sure definitely and of course, yeah these It's because of my weekend getaway to Las Vegas. You know, you got me thinking like basically what if you could do the same thing take a little vacation, but in Animal Crossing like within the game itself just like in real life. For example, let's see in real life. You have a weekend coming up where you know, you're going to have a lot of free time to play in if you're playing New Horizons, that's all you're playing. So you're kind of putting your free time towards that and it gets you thinking you know, what if you could go Go and vacation, but within the game itself, I feel like it's possible. We have some ideas to discuss. So I feel like you would be part. It would be really cool. If it's very interactive meaning actually you would have to go on a trip in the game itself. You're going to have to fly because you're on the island and you know, we have the total airport. So I feel like if the trip takes about an hour that that's an acceptable time frame. I think maybe a little less definitely not more and I feel like they could even be cool ways to pass. Time, you know, you could be watching a comedy show with dr. Shank or maybe something better. Anything else would probably be better but you could either watch something or play some minigames maybe a session of a mini version of amiibo Festival that would really, you know, spend the time on the trip there like like we would on real life if we if a lot of us travel in we have an animal crossing game. We're probably going to be playing that on the way there. So once you arrive, you'll You're either arrive to a hotel or a vacation house in basically that's going to be where that's going to be your home for the duration whether you book a trip for the weekend or maybe one week or two weeks or maybe more that's where you're going to be starting the game whenever you save and restart. That's basically your home. Another cool thing is that it, you know the shops and everything would be very different from the layout that you have in your Island. Not only that. I mean, obviously you would meet a lot of new abilities, but I feel like everything would be different. The location of the shops, even the layouts. For example, we know the rules we know how it is. It's a semi small coffee shop, but I feel like depending on where you go to Vacation. Maybe the roost is like twice as big and maybe it's back in the basement of the museum or maybe kicks shop is like a little kiosk an outdoor kiosk and it's next to a four-story building for the Mabel sisters. Maybe they are very popular in this particular City. So I feel like The shops would be different the way they're laid out in their locations, you know based on where you go and if you like that would add some variety variety to the vacation spots that you could go. There's a lot of potential key because you could go to real life places like Las Vegas or puri's or even made up locations like from games that we know like the Mushroom Kingdom or Hyrule, or they could even me be some specific locations that would feature. Amenities something like a skate park or a really big concert hall or even a water park in I feel like this type of locations would use the pocket Camp Ami amenities really? Well, they could make vacation spots based on those amenities. I feel like it would encourage people to take vacations in New Horizons, which I think it's a really cool idea. And of course, you know, if you really wanted to you could cancel your vacation mid-trip, but you would have to go spend. An hour on the trip again and you you wouldn't get a refund basically. So I feel like there's a lot that could explore here, you know, even the way you book your trip how many Bells it takes who's going to be the special character in charge of all that and how many times you can do that in for how long I mean, it's I think it's an interesting idea concept. There's a lot of potential here. What do you think tree? That is a lot? Yeah. No. Okay. So this kind of reminds me. I feel like you had similar ish type of idea way back in the day where we kind of thought about it in the sense of like shared kind of towns essentially that you can have with other people and I kind of want to like a mix it in with that like maybe two people can go to the same location for a vacation, you know, and you know kind of spend their time exploring that place but you know, you could also just like run around on your own and everything but but I'm also very intrigued by this idea of like, you know, you mentioned the Able Sisters having a much bigger three-story shop here because they're like a big popular story, you know? Yeah. So what I like about that is like it gives you like a whole new set of I guess inventory to look through and collect and everything and that's one aspect. I really like like we got a little bit of a taste of this in New Leaf where Could go to the international Islands or the like the local Islands the the essentially the club tortimer stuff, you know, yes and every island that you went to like had something else in stock. So you could go to a place and see maybe like they had a hammer there which was a rare item at the that could only be found there. Or maybe they have the mermaid furniture that you've been looking for. But each one you went to like like it had something different. So I do I like that aspect of it just to think of like a place where you're not really limited to all of the stuff that you have only in your town. You know, it's sometimes it's a place where you can do a little bit extra and that's of course going to be good for like the players who are a lot like us who play a lot in a single day and then they're like I need I need Then else to do and so but I mean we'll keep playing will keep fishing catching bugs and everything. Yeah, but yeah, like I think it just gives those types of players a lot more to handle and do on a daily basis, you know? Yes. Yeah, so I don't know. I like it. I like that idea. It's something very different. I don't know if they'll implement it right there based on like what they're going with this island, but I do like it. It I had a bit of a Twist on it though, but mindset may sound a little bit familiar to so what I fit what I was thinking with vacations when you mentioned it was rather than going to a destination. Maybe your place is the destination to go to and this is what I mean by that is like it'd be cool if like special characters. For example, your Isabelle's of the world your cake a There is and everything if they could visit they can set up like a little campsite and be part of your town for the weekend or the week or maybe even for just one day, you know, and while there they can hang out and possibly even sell you things and you can talk to them and get to know them and honestly, it's basically like the camping feature but for special characters before they arrive on your Island and actually like set up a shop there, you know. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So like maybe you can show them that your Island is great. You're going to provide really good business for them. So they should definitely come by and set up a shop in your Island. So yeah, I like that maybe you could even be like, they're targeting you could actually take them to all the different shops and depending on like the order you choose they decide to stay or not. Yeah, and I like that you mentioned that because I always really liked the beginning of The leaf where Tom Nook is like running behind you to let you set up your home, you know, and even when Isabel's helping you with a public works project. I like that she runs behind you and sets up, you know, she's just waiting for you to pick a spot for this project and she's you don't get a lot of that follow me type of thing even real and I just remembered like the villagers. Sometimes they'd be like, oh, you know, you'd go visit them in their house and then they'd be like, oh this This one villager. I'll say pancho had asked I want them to come over. Will you get them for me? And then you could go out into your town you could talk to them and then they follow you back. And so I don't know. I really liked that follow me aspect to it. If you were to give them a tour. Yes. Yes. I think it'd be pretty cute. But yeah, I mean, I don't know that's just kind of my idea. I want it to be I want that want this to kind of be the game that lets you essentially speak and interact with the special characters in more of a trying to think of the word for it. But more I guess more substantially like more like you're building a relationship with them in some way, you know, because Animal Crossing does a good job with This like the the stuff with Sable from the Able Sisters is always one of people's favorite things. They talk to this. I guess Hedgehog behind a sewing machine. And at first she doesn't give you the time of day and then eventually she's like, hey even stopping around this shop a lot and you become friends with her assent. Yeah. So like animal crossing the game itself does a really good job with building relationships with the other characters. Pictures but they just I want them to do it more. I want it to be like every time you talk to them you're digging a little bit deeper and learning something else about them, you know. Yes, definitely and with the personalities that we have again, it's going to be just ate but I feel like they can be different enough that they the way you approach the relationship with each ability with a different personality. It could lead to very unique moments. I'll definitely we agree with that a hundred percent. Yeah, and I that's what I'm looking for with this game. I've played a lot of the well, I guess this game is going to be a lot of new stuff like the crafting thing is already a huge new mechanic and we're going to be learning and using a lot but I really I want them to go all out with the dialogue in this game and seeing this Nintendo. I hope they take Animal Crossing in the direction where they're supporting it every month. Maybe they're adding new line. Dialogue for us. Maybe they're adding a new stories. Maybe they're adding new furniture and just like I want to see new things each month in this game. That's what I want. Yeah. Yeah. Well, do you have anything else to say about vacations in this game? No, I feel like I feel like we covered it. It would be interesting if either of these options so or even something similar gets implemented, right? I feel like you know vacations are cool and in a way that New Horizons is a Vacations to a lot of us so you would be nice to have something in the game itself. Yeah, definitely. All right. Well, then let's move on and get to our Higgins Islander corner. And for those of you who don't know. This is our segment of the show where we ask our patrons on patreon a question and then read their answers here. So this week's question was if Animal Crossing added a hotel, what would you like? Be able to do there and Sergio, I guess I'll start today. Okay, sounds good. Um, actually, you know what, I've totally forgot. What would you want a hotel to be in Animal Crossing? I think to thinks it will be very nice to meet a lot of new villagers that are there just passing by so there's definitely no way for you to recruit them to your Island, but it would just be nice to talk to them and meet new villagers and also So in your room just get room service. Let me pretty cool. Yeah, yeah for me. I think I'd say I'm still looking for some cool and a lot of my answers have been about this today. But I really want it to be some way to connect more with those special villagers. So if it if they just decide like oh, there's going to be a hotel here and that's where you can go see the special villagers after they've closed up shop and everything. I'd be into that, you know, okay. For sure. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so that's what I would look for a nice. Anyways, let's go ahead and read some of these answers will go back and forth and I will start with Emily Rose Garvey who said I always thought it would be a cool idea to have a hotel to stay and if you leave the island, it would be really cool to socialize with other villagers that you never see or even stay with other players. Maybe there could be some sort of public club and yeah, I mean like oh Club, LOL, that's what they mean. So yeah. Yeah, I think it'd be really cool to see like a club pop up in the hotel and that's like a new place to seek a slider on The Daily, you know, oh, yeah nice in and yeah, it's like a sharing a vacation with friends online or locally the yeah, that would be really cool as well. Yeah. So Allah Walker says I used to really enjoy playing The Sims 2 on the DS Where the premise of the game was to run a hotel in the game you could build. Rooms like a casino Jim bar Etc. So if Animal Crossing were to have a hotel I would I would enjoy many different amenities such as those these could give cake a slider and additional been you maybe this could also be a way to for new villages to move into the island like the campsite feature in New Leaf. Yes, definitely Ella in I feel like the hotel manager could be a new special character. I mean, we're always looking for some of those. Yeah. I love seeing you special. Characters but yeah, I really like this idea mostly because it would give us a chance to see like the amenities kind of it from pocket Camp to because they had like the swimming pool. They had the skatepark kind of thing. So it'd be cool to see villagers kind of using those types of amenities around. Yeah, definitely. All right. So Quantrell to Vall said maybe a hotel would be the new / next spotpass feature. It would be littered with random other players who can give you some dream address type access to their Island sort of like the four random visitors. You get every cycle & pocket Camp, I think okay. I really like this as kind of replacing the street paths that existed in you new Leaf, you know, because we're not going to have StreetPass obviously on you. Horizons, but we could still do like spotpass where we sign up and then maybe our one of our rooms get sent to somebody's Hotel, you know, and then they could go and see a special space that they didn't create and somebody else did and kind of enjoy that so yeah. I just really want a replacement for StreetPass. I'm really sad that it's not going to be in this next game. So I like that aspect to it. Yes, definitely definitely agree Street Press has missed but if they can figure out a way to have it work when you Horizons. Yeah, we're all for it. Yeah. So keep later 173 says I think a hotel in Animal Crossing would be a cool place to incorporate the multiplayer. This could be somewhere that your friends chicken to when they visit they get assigned a room, which they would be able to decorate. They would also be an outer area with a pool and waterslide with Brewster. At a tiki hut selling everyone drinks. Yes. I feel like the outdoor venue or the pool area would be like at the place to be at, you know, when you're at the hotel definitely down for that. Yeah. I think that's really cool too. And like I said, it just be really cool to see like those amenities and stuff show up around there and that it's funny that Brewster Tiki Hut came up again. Yeah our letter from last week must have been inspirational over that it was a good idea. Yeah. Yep. So Alex our coconut as answered. It'd be cool if the dream sweet and Luna got incorporated into this hypothetical hotel and maybe tortimer is the owner of the hotel overall like his Island from New Leaf is still around but now it has a hotel and yes, that's a that's a really good character to put in that. Yeah. I know we would like a new one but tortimer he's vacationing it up. He needs a new hobby for for keeping himself busy since being mayor, you know, so we all need something to do when we're retired. And yeah, the dream sweet is also really a cool idea to just get even if it were like in that place you could go have a dream look at somebody's town and then wake up and feel well rested. Yeah. Yeah. Awesome. Well, thanks so much Sergio. Did you have anything else to say about anything on the show today? No, I think we're you know, we just Keep imagining really cool things that we would like to see and hopefully very soon. We can have actual details of what's going to be added and we can share them with all of you. Yeah. Definitely. We're going to be on top of that when it whenever we get some new news. There's already some rumors about a direct coming up this month. Let's talk about that a little bit. Do you think it's happening? Do we are we getting a direct this month or is it still in December? No, December 5th. Yes. Yeah. Yeah, the the one piece of I guess evidence that came out that could point to some sort of direct and honestly, I still I'll say I don't believe there's going to be a direct until next like January to February so I don't really believe it but we did see well recently. I saw that somebody reported the smash site was updated with whoever Terry is coming soon, you know. I don't care about Terry we already they honestly peaked at putting Banjo-Kazooie into the game. So true. Everything else is not a big deal. It just seems like it's just extra this point. But yeah, so they did change the site to say it's coming soon. So a lot of people kind of think there's going to be a direct coming up this week. I tell you I feel though, like maybe I should believe it because when we tend to talk about About directs on this show and whether or not they're happening soon. They tend to get announce like the day the show comes home. So maybe we should believe it. You know, that's true. That's a good point in also this match character. Yeah. So yeah the smash character we've seen enough directs for smash though. Just end it with some more Animal Crossing info and we'll be happy. Yeah. Yeah. All right, everybody will thank you so much for tuning. Into this episode of hakken in Animal Crossing podcast don't want the episode to end. 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It is finally November, which means we get to showcase some new artwork for Haken: An Animal Crossing Podcast. This new piece was created by Ivyteas and you can see more of their work on Twitter, Instagram, and through their portfolio. Twitter: https://twitter.com/ivyteas Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ivyteas/ Portfolio: https://ivyteas.wixsite.com/puddlesong/info This week, Sergio and I discuss amiibo in Animal Crossing New Horizons. We go through past info on amiibo and go into our own ideas for how amiibo could function in this game. We also come up with ideas for vacations within Animal Crossing. Finally, we take answers from our patrons for the Haken Islander Corner. Time Stamps: 0:05 - Introduction 2:13 - New Haken Artwork 11:30 - amiibo In Animal Crossing New Horizons 32:15 - Vacations in New Horizons 43:57 - Haken's Islander Corner 52:10 - Outro Announcements Support my channel on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/chuyplaysnintendo Join the Haken Discord: https://discordapp.com/invite/wJTCMRK Get More Nintendo and Video Game Content Here: http://chuyplays.com/ Follow me on... Twitter: https://twitter.com/ChuyPlaysNTDO Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/ChuyPlaysNintendo Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/chuyplaysnintendo Twitch: http://www.twitch.tv/chuyplaysnintendo Tumblr: http://chuyplaysnintendo.tumblr.com/ --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/haken-an-animal-crossing-podcast/support

Hi and welcome to data futurology in this podcast. We discuss how data is creating our future specifically we cover applications of analytics machine learning and artificial intelligence. We discuss career tips for data scientists on how to lead and create value from data. And also what are the current and future challenges in data science in this podcast. We interview current leaders. In the data space such as heads off and directors of better science and engineering Chief data scientist and chief that officers to find out straight from them. What were the lessons they've learned in their careers, which have helped them get to where they are today. My name is Philippe De Flores and I have over 15 years experience in the data space where I worked on everything from data warehousing to reporting and business intelligence to machine learning and artificial intelligence. I hope you enjoy this episode. Hello. Hello, welcome to Episode 34. This will be the last episode for 2018. So I hope you enjoy it. We will take a break over the next few weeks and we will come back in late January 2019 to start the new season of that of futurology so far. We have been running for about seven months and I really wanted to thank you for listening to the Podcasts and joining us on our journey to date in today's episode. We speak with Sally Grove Sally is the general manager of insights at the Australian motoring Services before starting their she amazingly took a year of work and she tells us a little bit about that during the interview and before that. She's been about 10 years in banking working in large banks in Florida analytics having lots of heads of positions and getting really interesting learning throughout during the interview. Sally tells us about her story where how she got to where she is now and what are the lessons learned from which we can all learn from and become better professionals. I hope that you enjoy the interview. Thanks again for listening to the podcast and we will see you again in January 2019. So as far away who you say it like that, but it's actually just next month. Enjoy your end of your brakes and see you again in a few weeks. I hope you enjoyed this episode. Hi, this is baby flurries. And today I'm speaking with Sally Grove. How you doing? Quickly say, how are you? Yeah, good good to have you on the show. Thanks and have a great day. Yeah, I know. I know I think for album having me at your office. This is very nice. So at the beginning I wanted to ask you. How did you get started in the data space for the your journey looks like a dream. Yes. I wasn't really looking to get in. So that is face. I think like a lot of people probably ten years ago kind of got out of it degree. You must medical physics. I was wondering what to do next and I think a lot of the advice is going to go into account in C or going to teach you those didn't really appeal to me at the start of time. So I look for jobs at that had the prerequisite of mass and work for the a graduate recruitment company. They've got to give you been bro, and they don't so they specializing in jobs for entry level jobs into organizations. Not even for the graduates schemes like the big companies have more decentral jobs, and I found myself in a job at a bank in fraud analytics. So I started off that got me into Say that the banking industry and then also the analytics industry. So I worked in the card fraud area. So responsible for identifying the fraudulent card transactions so credit cards or debit cards out of the genuine ones. So if you've ever had a phone call from your bank or text message for me back saying did you make these transactions we were the ones that were writing the rules to identify them. So it's quite an exciting space to be in I've only didn't realize it at the time but it kind of a good entry role to analytics because you get exposure to all the life cycle of analytics really so you kind of what identify What the problem was so when the fraud happen to them finding what the solution was writing that the model to then implementing it in production and then monitoring it see how to kind of get it right? Because you had the ability to essentially decline every single transaction some was making on their card so a bit of pressure there, but great exposure and kind of didn't appreciate the luxury at the time that you got the whole lifecycle man in one day Watson so you could be there, but I knew fried attack to riding a role in the system and monitoring it and it's feedback as well. So you'd be getting a fraudulent transactions. On January like the false positive going to ratios then and there compared to kind of further down the line. When is working credit card. You could be like two years before, you know, the success of some golf, you know, if someone's responded to a campaign but was the campaign as what you expected can take like two years to kind of didn't make money and where this was instant and often in a day so I look for you in some ways. Yeah. I hadn't thought about that. But yeah, you give type feedback loops and and doing the end to end which is the best yet. How was that first job that you had how was it different to what you expect? It or what you thought it might be. Yeah, I think the biggest thing I remember was just how an organized and structured work environment seemed to be you're going to go from the other boys in Academia before so going from uni from where you're kind of you're hypothesizing you're writing papers, you're structuring. It's all kind of detailed all documented you go into the working environment and nothing documented kind of its kind of some peer review checks, but kind of loose often and just like straight there with the responsibility. So kind of scary in some ways that you can think eyes are not like a higher. See where you'll review it. And actually there's something that happens. Like I'm just glad I can put real then. So yeah that was covering for me a bit of a shock to the system. But exciting it was kind of fun to be working rather than like, yeah earning money to have fun learning money rather than spending money doing the study. So yeah, enjoy the work for you. It means you enjoy it. Yeah. Well, yeah and it's got the real data rather than very nice polish datasets or polish problems where the solutions already known. Could you kind of just answering questions events really let people know I did. Didn't do a research. It was always kind of set problem. So you can learning more their techniques. Yes, where you going to business the kind of the you having to find the problems work with the live kind of daytime real when there's actually a real thing impact in the real world. It's a lot more exciting and how did you start to balance the research and the business value how far to take projects or how much work to do from a technical perspective versus how much work could or should be done to get the business value right and Frolic and you kind of have to if If there was an immediate thing, you need to put a roll into to stop the fraud. You kind of have to be quick and respond. You can't kind of wait for a long time to put it in make sure everything's perfect because you could have not had a lot of losses all sorts of money. And that means I'm so you kind of the speed kind of was a control you can a limited the research but then equally because you are putting things into real-world environment. You're going to have to be accurate because I can and I'll play with the 80/20 rule kind of it's easy to you don't have to be perfect get something out there get it. Okay and get it learning and get it working and learn from it but in for you kind of have to be a little bit more 95/5 rather than 80/20 because you so you do have the ability to decline everyone's transaction. So it's where the monitoring it making sure. It's kind of okay and the compromise between speed execution with and also not impacting the customer experience I have to say now is the best obviousy bias, but the best people come from a risk kind of operational background because you learn to be accurate you can have the check double-check triple-check. How else can I validate that this is okay because my head could be on the line if kind of was Many systems down. So I think yes other people have seen from that kind of industry kind of have that quality checking was a lot of people if you've always been in the 80/20 space which has great other skills with it, but people kind of come forget to kind of the check at ease and point of a code and it's so easy to make a mistake in a little thing like a comma or an and or something goes wrong. It's not there but fraud makes you kind of check each step other all kind of the model it see what we can do and how did you find banking as an industry when you first encountered it? I think one of my experience or bunkers will be changed. Over the time I think the module you are the less you're exposed to kind of the business strategy the politics and everything that goes on so the early days it was probably I know kind of experience will be able to kind of Industries. So that makes sense. It was the first industry so didn't know any different and it was at the junior level. So you're not exposed to a tougher problem. There aren't strategy and politics. And so then after being how long were you in fraud in the end? So if three years in fraud in the UK, and then I moved to Australia and it did two years here and then move to the product side. I think the experience is that whilst year 600 more Junior kind of less exposure to the politics and the business that is also risk and Industry kind of our felt Silo do kind of like physically recite loading a different area of the business in Australia. Anyway, and you kind of you're stopping money going out of the organization. It's kind of it's almost like a lose-lose situation. You do a really good job, right some good kind of rules and have good customer experience and I was complaining and you're stopping the fraud so you're not losing that much money, but no one really knows about it because you're kind of just like a silent person. Even there. Yes, you do have a job or not solely about job. Just something kind of happens and everyone will know about it and you get the pressure on you. So risk is kind of its can be a quiet existence or it can be a full pressure environment. And then when you go to the product side and you're making money for the bank yet a revenue-generating area, there's more exposure. So you've got to within the business you get exposure to the different areas marketing product development projects kind of areas the different product areas. So there's a lot more exposure so you get kind of more exposure to what what happens in. Funky space as well and then kind of higher up the ladder for F1 over to speak to kind of go the more experience you get exposure to kind of get to the politics kind of that happens in terms of the the financial targets kind of they have they grow each year. You have to meet them no matter how its the regulation environment is changing as more pressures customer experiences are getting higher but you kind of put a keep meeting the high demands and the kind of selling the value of kind of the analytics and what we should be doing versus other salesmen in the area. Yes. So when you moved into the product side what? What products are you working with? And how was that experience yesso doing various restructures. I think we've had Sons actually counts personal loans and credit cards to credit cards which will be the main one that we focus on consumer credit cards. And so the kind of the the life cycle of that. So the acquisition of credit cards our portfolio how people are using it product developments going to expose you to the new technologies like contact tap and pay now pay the tapping your phone the pricing elements what fees and rates to charge so when you're getting closer to the business, Product side. How did you start to sell the value of analytics how you're able to get people excited about using analytics on the for the business problem is Lucky's why would I started off in the team as I senior analyst and I got promoted to manager and then heading up the team. So I had to expose you over the flight my manager previously doing a lot of the cells up for that. So I kind of had it easy in some ways because it's kind of riding his wife. Yeah, and the team was quite good in that they realized I think that the wider team so we're an analytic function within the product. Oh, so you had a personal loan product team a credit card team and they were kind of data-driven people. So they would ask the questions. What kind of what was needed in terms of the analysis some ways you didn't need to necessarily sell it in that case. The demand was there it's probably the usual kind of problems of what questions are asking is not necessarily what they should be asking and the influencing of what what the question that the problem that should be that they're answering is probably more disabled jobs that we had to do and as well as teaching my team as well to make sure they're asking the questions are not just the obliging and Help people out with the questions is make sure the Italian Simon and get the right questions as well. So yeah, the selling of it was more the right questions or the right things that we should be looking at educating stakeholders. So that's very interesting because you're educating the stakeholders, but also getting your team to do the same. What was your process in doing those two sides? How would you help the stakeholders get to the right type of question to ask in their situation? Yeah, I think pot is going to having the someone kind of puts in a request and we are gonna of a system where you're going to of algae in SharePoint. I think it was at the time putting the question but asking some questions of why they needed and what is false or trying to draw out the initial Y in those but then once you kind of got the the online kind of form request is stick with the real question really understand what they're wanting kind of more understanding the business problem behind it to help me kind of really understand what the Y is and then talk see. Well, I know you've asked for this but we'll kind of this do as well or do you want this and then sometimes it can be worked out in those kind of conversations and kind of get buy-in of what the actual kind of mock-up of what the output should Other times it can be kind of actually you've asked for X I going to give you X but I'm also going to give you I always think if they've asked for something and adamantly want it and if it doesn't take long effort to do it might as well do that as a by-product of what you think they want as well. So then it kind of keeps them happy and if it is really what they want. They're still got it, but then you've also got wider kind of piece of insights that you can show them because what you think the real kind of problem is, yeah and you have some good world to say you got what you wanted and also yeah, you don't know make them unhappy by not providing it is that we just haven't listened to me as I still have listened to you. But I also kind of think this is well. What do you think? Yes and lead with the work. That's really good. So how long were you in the product side for five years in total in the product space. It kind of seems like a long time in height. So but it's being such a varied team was kind of easy to stay excited. I'm pretty happy as I'm constantly learning and kind of each time. I was kind of getting to the end of the right. I'll be ready for something you kind of get something new or whether that was a technical kind of learning something new and moving from say looking at credit. That so then looking at Justin's actually Council learning how a different product works or kind of moving from senior analyst of manager and head up with kind of a different soft skills of of learning and then also in the product space you get exposure to different areas of kind of the analytics are going out the pricing the marketing and the product so it's kind of it's quite varied. So it's kind of like biased in that in hindsight that it's such a great team to work in because you get kind of exposure to the whole life cycle Plus in the customer experience as well and the pain points what people see in The NPS kind of scores as well. Well, you kind of team that does quite a lot of varied things. So it's an exciting space to be. Yeah, because you're moving across so many different dimensions as in like the responsibilities around the roles the functions and the product sort of like a 3D space. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, and I thought we could have said well, it could have definitely stayed and learn more because there's always more to learn in that space. I think it's time for me to move on in the end anything. What did you do when you left it's good personality. I went traveling. So yeah, I decided my purse. No, one of you that ten years in banking was probably long enough and I didn't have no kids and their mortgage. It was a good time to that. I would leave and when I get to the age of retirement I go up fi done. So hundred percent. Yeah when traveling to South America North America and then back to England for a couple months his family and when people do long trips, there's always the question which I don't think is the right question at all. Like people always want to know about that the highlights. Oh, yeah your favorite spots, right? But what are some of the memories that you You carry with you still from that trip some other. Yeah, I think they're not America. We hired a campervan from LA and very bit for about 20 days and doing a loop through the national parks ending up in San Fran and just kind of the the freedom the kind of relax is what did we do today? And then the beautiful view that year seeing everywhere. There was just awesome. So just in Perth last week, I had a long weekend there and some of the national parks are they kind of gives about memorizing like a we should do it again because reversed Yeah, what's wrong with just getting out and doing it again? But no, I'm just saying so I ran the national parks in California that they're beautiful. Yeah, it is enmity Death Valley Bryce Canyon is Awesome with that where you been? I have not been into the national parks and I've been to some friends anyway, but if like I've heard amazing amazing things, but it's just and Yosemite it's so famous and huge apparently. Yes. It's the service is kind of got everything. You kind of just like that. It's got the water. It's got the rocks and kind of the the forests and then other things it's so a lot of people would love to do that. Take a career break and go traveling for a long time. What do you think stops? Most people? I was wonder what stuff people? Yeah. I wasn't being the didn't know how people can find it hard to use up their annual leave and when I'm like, Here 20 days is not much. I don't know if it's the Fear Factor of the like I'm losing my job or happen. I mean when I tell people say I didn't just up and quit my job. I think I left in June last year and I told my boss in Jan Feb time, I think and again their heads up. This is what I'm looking to do feel like give him time of this was happening and love feeding give it to me then and there I still carried on working didn't tell everyone until kind of later when they want to cause too much disruption within the team. It was telling people it was kind of everything. One was in a jealous and like always wish I was doing that. I don't wish I could do that. There's only one person that when what are you doing? You're leaving a good job and a good company and like, yep just have to telling obviously it's not for everyone if you've got Financial commitments or family commitments and obviously it's not just as easy to up and leave but I kind of live life by their regret. So like what's the worst that can happen look like I was in a good position financially and familywize and my partner had long service leave as well. So he didn't have the great if you could just take that and And some other savings and have a long break it worked well for me, but it's kind of a definitely do it again. And I think kind of Lucky in this industry as well that there will be jobs about yes, whether that's kind of like I did a bit of Contracting before I am I got my current job because I wanted to take the time to find the right next role. But again lucky I was kind of in that position where I could take a bit of time and kind of fell into a Contracting position that was doing some credit card analytics. So it was kind of back into my safety comfort zone and I could kind of do it without really thinking so yeah, but I think yeah my advice Is this do it? You learn so much to think by exposure to different cultures different environments have for me as well. Just the black station and a part of it as well from being think 10 years in banking the last couple of years kind of model leadership in the and a high pressure sometimes in terms of the the role that you can get with the leadership roles. It was kind of nice just to kind of reset and just like after myself everything I have probably one regret some time working in the bank was probably too much time working on the bank rather than working on me. It did help me learn and by doing the work, you still kind of learning but it's kind of it gets the point when if you're doing kind of just stuff that is repetitive and you're not really learning. It's doing the late hours to hit this task or because someone high up there. That's the question that they don't really need to ask but you need to answer it now and then it's kind of when it's and you're not letting you necessarily getting the exposure and leave the credit that you or the team needs and it becomes more about a to-do list. It's not that fun. And you start working along hours. We're not getting when the payback for me is not there. So now I'm kind of having the relaxation and kind of coming into the new role and He's going to making sure that I don't forget the role and kind of still obviously meeting targets and objectives and working with the team. But making sure kind of I'm developing on myself as well and learning new skills or reading articles reading books and things like that. You kind of it's easy to get it was easy for me anyway to get in the Trapper and I've been kind of just working for the business rather than working for me. That's a really great realization actually do make sure that you're depositing back into your bank account. Actually in the end and it was a time to go every night. It's deposited Lots in the meantime as well. I had a great time and it supported me and development. I wouldn't be here why I was without all the people really respond help that they gave me and were you tempted to stay overseas during your travels at any point. I thought about it for me because speaking English. So I'm English. My partner's English we met over here there. So I'll kind of friendship networks in Melbourne or both of our families were back in England. So there's always a family of all yeah, and so I had I spent Christmas over there and kind of look I doubt that the job market and the job seem like there's more jobs in London leads in Edinburgh, but I don't really want to work in London would be willing to work closer to family if the reason going back is closer to family then so it wasn't really the right time and I think I'm kind of the end of day we both like it here. So I might as well stay here a little longer the industry that were in is really good in Melbourne at the moment. My celery is a bit better as well. So there's no need to go back just yet your wife. Yeah, that's great. Did you have people before you Did you have people saying come back? Make sure you come back? I think it was more people had burst that I wasn't gonna come back. Yeah morning that their family card in England, but I think Maya they're pretty supportive. That's such a good idea to come back and do some Contracting while you look for the right role because then that definitely takes the pressure off. Did your partner go back to his old company he did. Yes. So you came back a bit earlier than I did because he didn't have his long after he came back in November and I came back January is that She moved balls now move companies. But yeah, he kind of came up. And what were you looking for for your next role or during the time that you had off? What were you thinking? That would be a good next stage for you and your career? So I was looking to get out of banking more just because I've always worked in banking. I wanted to know what it was like elsewhere then any particular problems with Banking and looking to move in a smaller company. We're kind of less kind of politics and can you just get the job done and try and make more? And just quickly looking for somewhere. They took data seriously. And so you had buy-in from the CEO and support her and like we're we're kind of the industry other product kind of excited me when I had some influence and sway as I looked around and I found that in the end of the current company and its small company when you've got kind of three different main pillars. So there are rewards aspect of the Loyalty scheme. I travel kind of component with travel insurance my roadside assistance. So probably never looking to go into roadside assistance is a big part of it, but it's is new for me. And so that kind of excites me and the opportunities we can have in that space. And what does the CEO support look like in practice because I've heard that a lot of people sometimes get frustrated that they say what they find that sometimes CEO or direction from the top of my say the right words and as in like, yes, we want data it is key but then the action sometimes don't match the rhetoric. So what is it look like in practice in terms of what is good look like I was basically I can't be active. It's been a million for months in so I hope that it continues as it has but for me, that is an EVO blockers kind of helping me out and whether its funding or whether it's people and kind of having those conversations to kind of get by in in terms of the strategy. So at the moment I'm kind of in the early stages. It kind of seemed unseen kind of doing the diagnostic of where we are what one of the strengths and their the wings opportunities to kind of build out what the strategy is. So hopefully if you're listening is going to buy anything, so it's my responsibility. Its ability to paint that picture of what the data strategy the analytic strategy should be for the business and what we can do with it. So I'm in the early stages of that and kind of tackling that by going to do some kind of quick wins and small improvements so that avoid having the microscope on me at the moment because if you can he's kind of the person that you can see that you're going to do in a good job and making improvements and kind of don't need as much Focus but is that a very supportive that it can have a chat if we kind of need to what so a problem, but other than that can Maybe in and of let me do my thing, which is great because it's there when I need but I can not be micromanagement going to do your will o one as well. And that's kind of the support that what it means to me is going to be funny to some help to help educate others. He's kind of got my butt. But also let me finish a pit as well. That's why we crave and how are you going about creating the data strategy? Yes still fairly early days. Yeah, and so that my initial kind of thoughts is how can you make use of what we have today? So I think we're getting a lot of data in that. We're not using to its optimal. Capability. What can we do with what we have today and kind of uplift what we do then I'll be thinking about what are the external kind of datasets we may want to incorporate or how may we want to expand the current that is that's a lot of the data sets that we have at the moment are from other businesses. We've got currently a B2B company. So we get data from other companies. The team is mainly at the moment when we get data in and we get data out and it's been a kind of a bi data management quality using mainly to make sure the business run smoothly rather than we've got this data. What can we do with it? So it's understanding. What can we do with it now to then, right? What do we actually want to do and do we have the data and do we need to amend what we are getting and then what kind of the new ones you want then there's the the system was so it's where on-prem at the moment and it's working. Okay, because put only what we need it for we're not really pushing it to its limits but is that going to be fit for us in the future? So there's kind of understanding that at the moment because I think no doubt. I'll get to the stages where we need to business case and articulate the pros and cons. We stay on Prem doing move to the cloud. What's the benefits and articulating potentially future use of it? So the future Demand by we do my analytics and models is going to be more Grant which then do we have what we want if we get more data, is it going to take maintenance backup longer on-prem speed on the cloud and things like that and it may be that it's it's actually on crumbs. Okay, but it's kind of our we make sure we review it so that we understand it in the future Readiness to move along with what we want rather than getting red been getting up lifting the capability skill set. In the team and then not being ready. Yes, how can we move the to how are you balancing the long-term strategy build versus a tactical short-term wins that I'm asking because I'm having a moment, right? So yeah just started a new job less than three weeks ago. So I think this is a start of week three for me and I naturally tend to wanting to prove value quickly provide value quickly and while I'm sort of putting still putting together the strategy and and trying to be patient enough to understand the organization their maturity their pace and way of working and everything. How do you balance the quick wins versus strong balancing the leading the team grow and develop in teaching them to do it rather than the tendency for me to jump in and do it as well. Yes that yes. That is an awesome Point. Yeah. I think it's a constant battle. It's going from being stuck in the business or on the Dance Floor versus on the And working on the business is kind of the balance and I've probably spending a lot more time on the quick wins and doing things because it's hard and as you see the opportunities the excitement or we can do this. It's great and they're doing it and people getting excited too. But it's then realizing that if we just keep doing the small quick wins, and it's not actually going to develop the bigger the strategy. So it's it goes in Cycles in some ways. I'm kind of Lucky by the nature of the job requires me to travel a bit into state so that also kind of gives a reflection time as well because when you're kind of doing the traveling, it's I'm not necessarily coming into the day. Today office and getting stuck in the Trap but it is it's kind of a conscious effort that I have to make because it's like The To Do List kind of grows and it's starting to get to the stage where you may say? No, we can't do something to work on the bigger picture. So at the moment we're working on enhancing the self-serve analytics seems predominately in the past been doing a lot of bad hot with questions. So we were going to B2B business and so we have external clients and it's providing an insights packs for them. So you kind of do an ad hoc kind of this is what's going on in your portfolio, but that takes time and it can take up to two weeks kind of just don't On what's going on in that portfolio and present it? Whereas I think a lot of it can be automated so we can get do that self-serve for the account managers can get those numbers which would then free up the team's time to kind of do more. Well what's really going on and not just a high level kind of stats book like what's going on? Why is it going on and can we provide them some recommendations? So you have to kind of take the time to build the capability to do that. So it's instead of say taking two weeks to build. What an ad hoc insights packets going to be say a month or so to kind of build a whole Suite of self-serve. Things but in this it's longer in the short-term pain for the long-term gain, and it's luckily. I think I've got buy-in from the stakeholders that you can kind of see where we want to go. And again, it's not kind of building the whole self of sweet and then showing them at the end of it. It's kind of I've taken kind of a three-step approach these kind of one is just uplift what we currently have small things from just making it look good. So it's getting a style guide in from our color scheme and themes and everything looks the same rather than using as many colors as you can and and things are just uplift current capability. Yes, that gives them we Showcase what we've got and hopefully make some quick wins in that space but also then kind of share the capability of what can be done because often when people kind of haven't seen the likes of the data visualization power bi Tableau Etc. They kind of just want spreadsheets. So it's going to educating what is available by showing some initial insights and then work shopping with the now you seen this. What else do you want? What are your current pain points? What do your clients ask you for on a daily basis what takes you a long time to do? So then build a kind of prioritization framework for future dashboard and then build measure learn repeat kind of Love them. So it's working with them as well in a kind of trying to get the instant or not often hard to get the instant feedback. We stakeholders when they want something they want it now, but when they want to win and when we need them to provide feedback, it's not yes. Yes. That's the initial question was but so you were saying about your three-part plan or First Step Up lifting the current capability yet. Then second step is workshop with the business and then three step is iterating build major Larrabee's So I kind of get the self-serve up there and then it frees up hopefully more time to do the advanced analytics. So I think that part of the question too. Yeah. Yes and essentially in that Journey how important is it for your strategy to be able to see how people use the dashboards in their self service manner to track essentially being able to see how they interact with it what filters and knobs they move and but things are look at verses not look at is that something that is important? Yeah, I think It is almost like the ux kind of side to the role is hardened. The learning development of the team at the moment is like from the simple things of just getting it looking but as I was saying before kind of having it something look good, it's easier to get used more likely to get used and that's from the the kind of the look and or delays the order of the kind of the filters that you can have or even just the names of the filters. So it is important to track it don't think necessarily we're tracking it as well. As you could do at the moment down to the actual kind of individual kind of parts of the page. It's kind of Looking at in the context if it's not being used is it something wrong with what's there? And there's likely to be something wrong or it's the awareness people don't know it's there. But if it's also it's the awareness it means it's not as intuitive as it should be so it's kind of what needs to be tweaked. And so it's the trying to sit with the business to understand how the they're using it as well and kind of Shadow them. So we're kind of going into that stage at the moment historically kind of been what do you want to build? This is what it is build it and then just set and forget. We're trying to change that mentality to it's the constant. Active use of it and kind of the or soliciting the feedback as well as kind of a why aren't you clicking on that button or once you know that's there and things it is important to track because I think one you can also if people are using something a lot as well is what is so good about that one. So, how can we prioritize the development of the the next kind of insights from that one as well? And another one that are my darling my way through at the moment I guess is having tasks that are necessary to do but that may not sit directly in the skill set of the existing. So for example, I don't know that the skills of the people that you inherited but say If you inherited that a scientist and then getting them to do a reporting like a self-service reporting dashboards, whether that means to start a new team to focus on the subsurface that reporting and have the existing team focus on the analytics or the data science. How do you manage that? But do you throw to the Roman gently how I've struck two teams in the passing kind of currently. I've just actually research the team yesterday and it's kind of vertically and horizontally to the horizontal kind of component for meat such as on what you are seeing there in terms of the breaths being the breadth of the product function so that they could cover and also the breadth of the Technologies and so it's kind of everyone should be able to touch everything. So the Brett's been kind of in the current kind of said it's the Loyalty travel roadside assistance anyone should be able to answer a question on on any other tasks and also the breadth of the skill sets is I think a foundational layer 2 data science where everyone should kind of know. All right analogy the other day that it's kind of like medicine. So if Learning medicine. Everyone does the same degree and then they start to specialize so they kind of have a good foundational knowledge of everything. I think data science is like that too. There's always going to be a need to manipulate data integrate data build dashboards do the models but then people specialize in different areas and I think we probably in a similar to me where you've got a small team. So we don't have the luxury of a big team that we can go well, but we got a priority model you need to build her and if I can go to this person or this team, it's all hands on deck. I canno The View that you should be able to ask anyone anything and it's the flexibility to adapt and then there's because there are different speciality is some people may need a little bit more help and time on the aspects versus if it give it to the person that specialize in it's quicker and more autonomous but the nature of working in the small businesses means that the Ebbs and flows of the business the can be a time when there's more need for report built. So there are four models and so it's kind of all hands on deck. I think the part of that the challenges in our space is the expectations of future data scientists is kind of got this sexy name at the moment. And I think people kind of think that can go into an organization's I'm always going to be models. It's going to be great. They don't really care about getting the data manipulating me. They don't even monitoring it after it's gone in correct, but you've got to be able to do for parts. It's not a you can't pick and choose a hundred percent like somebody the other day we say they go. Oh, you know, it's true what they say that the majority of the design this time isn't getting any preparing data and I said, well, yes, that's true if your endpoint is building the model, but if your endpoint is Going into production and you know revisiting and improving it and having it out there in the wild then your data preparation might still be the biggest piece but it's nowhere near 50% or more. Right? So it's the expectation of the work to be done is a really good point and special with the Ebbs and flows of the business. What do you think in your case? What do you think prepared you to have that perspective of that? It's a whole lineup of skills that are required in different intensity. At different times was that that came was that something that came from like early fraud days in your case because you had the end-to-end visibility there. Was it something that you develop as you were getting more senior getting into like manager and heads over all are probably a bit of both. I think the the starting off in the fraud space where you covering and of the lifecycle of it, you kind of always done that. So it's kind of what I learned in kind of you're responsible for its kind of risk with any kind of almost DNA because you're kind of learned that and then naturally as being a people leader. Her and you've only got the finite team that you can do things even kind of working at now, but at a bank in a bigger organization the more analytic seeds, but I've only got my team so it's just still got to manage their resources and it's really also the experience of how unlucky to have some good people leaders as well. And so how they've managed the team as well and just inheriting that aspect as well as the other aspect is a kind of the structure as touching on busy vertical kind of aspect of the structure being the depths of skill sets as well and the other aspect which is how so kind probably inherited how I manage the team from my experiences of how I was mad. And it is easy a task that's giving could be given to anyone. So from a graduate entry level person to the most senior person in the team. So for example, if it's we need to build a new attrition model The Graduate could do that or the senior personally I could do that. For example, the difference being is the amount of support that someone is and the amount of time that they will take a gradual take longer and need more support where as a senior person can do it more or conversely. Everyone should always get support anything because if you learn better in my head than one but it's the says not just getting stuck in across all kind of aspects its kind of the The anyone can do anything as well and you think and how does that work with a team grows gets bigger? Yeah, I think because you have basically the Matrix of kind of the breadth of things that you expect people to work on both in the technical skills and the product functions or the business streams of the area's you got to look after as well as in the different tasks. Someone can do this, but always seems to be enough to kind of someone hasn't learnt in a different area to kind of get people excited as well as a nurse visit the softer kind of skills in terms of the presentation skills. Direct people leadership kind of accidents as well. So as the team goes in maturity and kind of as if they've been there longer its kind of those the should be hopefully always something that's something new for someone as the team goes physically in terms of number of people this kind of having the right structure as well as for the more layers. I think a lot of organizations going removing the layers. I kind of like having a little bit of hierarchy because it kind of helps with the just managing the privatization of tasks and of the admin side that kind of comes to it and then it's the communication with kind of the next layer down of who's working a lot in the people happy and doing it to move people around and kind of this see getting Communications of the for we don't do enough of it. I know I don't do enough of it, but I'm pretty an open person. So it's kind of really what you see is kind of what you're getting is is having those conversations with the team to hopefully they're an honest back and we can work through the demands of the team as it goes. Yeah makes sense. And how do you stay close to the team? Do you do one-on-ones or is a group meetings? What is your approach one-on-ones with my my direct reports? Skip levels less frequently, but I tend to sit with In as well here, it's fixed desk. So kind of closer to the sitting with them at NAB. It was more flexi desking so they could be days when you're not sitting with the team, but try and always sit with the team just to kind of have those kind of touch points and say hi. Say bye in the evening at least. Yeah, and it is something that is very says naturally introverted kind of quiet person, especially in the days when you've got lots to do and you just want to want to sit at my desk and get their work done. I have to make the conscious effort to go and speak to people because that's so valuable to do and I enjoy doing it as well. It's just when there's High and of this lure on my to-do list or a lot of deadlines to meet just making it a conscious effort to go and speak to people more say how you doing just not were elated as well. This is important. So I think it's something I probably don't do as enough via that the team meetings from all the formal aspects of business awareness what's going on and then what kind of aligning what their work is doing to the vision of the team the strategy and then kind of an informal we have an informal qualities of the week once a week on a Friday just getting together and people to either showcase something. That's kind of just nothing work. Later that just kind of worked on it or it's not their work. They just found it online or it is their work and it's an awareness of what the hell's going on in the business. They one of my observations coming into this team was that we were all kind of working in silos. We kind of get the work get the job done move on. It's kind of let's just build the awareness or what other people are working on and because I think that one of the business Acumen and a learning what's going on, the business is important to expose its my kind of motivation. Anyway, I kind of curious nosy person. So I kind of like to know what people are working on a new Zoom Brothers enjoyed that aspect too, but it It's a bit of fun just to make sure that we get together and have a bit of learning on the things but also knowledge share as well. Definitely that having their continual learning I think is is really something that data scientists really value through really good way to do it to have it as a flexible session that's booked on a weekly basis, but the topic can be so buried you don't have to submit things or you can just be an observer or you can kind of present in and take part and you tend to get the same people kind of that submit and gently kind of try and encourage. People playing in extracting their just a get together to make sure we're speaking to each other and not just about the current problems. And what's going on something. I don't think I probably do enough is celebrate the wind or the successes of what we've done. We kind of everything analytics danger the kind of the quiet quiet little mice in the team you get a lot done and they kind of probably take us where take a lot of shit on from the business just absorb it and do it but it's kind of make the business aware of what we're doing is there's a balancing act to it. But that was one of my biggest learnings as a leader. Is your role as a Salesman and you've got to sell the team sell the so what the teams doing? So the benefits and just sell the awareness as well. It doesn't come naturally to me and I kind of still kind of learn that but it's important to kind of get people's awareness of what we're doing and that's easier than when people are asking for things and you having to say no and people often people do actually is all why you're not doing it's like well, we're actually working on other things and if they can see there's a throughput of lots of other work. It's kind of more forgiving and kind of why we're not working on that urgent thing right now. Yes, Sara Lee most urgent thing go. And how do you go about selling the team and the work to the rest of the organization? So we have company-wide business updates where everyone gets in a room and we is on a monthly basis talk about the different business units and what's going on previously is the bi team. I was with my role as kind of changes function as also insights. Probably there wasn't a bi present representation at the business. Okay, so it's kind of Finance areas all the different business units areas, but not we weren't necessarily a business unit. Yeah. Save Our Place feel like I'm gonna win it. I have a little voice at the table. So it's kind of just muscling my way in and having a say there and trying to make it a bit fun as well. So that people remember your one and it's memorable but it's yeah first was getting a seat at the table and so look I was looking before I job join the team to my rolls are unusual the bi team was lining into Finance area to not having see it on the table that way so are now being on the exec team I get a seat at the table. So the kind of attitude privilege now, it's kind of there's less filters. You've got like I'm here to kind of showcase what? So try and summarize what we're doing obviously it's kind of choosing the one you don't know bombard and then it kind of gets blindness to what we're doing. So it's about making sure that I'm raising the concerns and there's something happening. So when there's a data warehouse outage which happened the other week that we're actually talking about it at the exec team. So we're making sure the where that's going on with them filters to the strategy conversation earlier. So they're going well. I'm not saying we do but if it was to say move to the cloud, there's kind of this kind of are there's a reasons there you kind of as awareness rather than these things just happen and people don't know about it because it doesn't necessarily get race. To the right level. So it's getting you the foot of the you'll see that the table and how do you prioritize the work out of everything that could be done plus everything that gets asked to be done. How do you pick what should be done? Yep as a very good question and I think I learn every time I do a prioritization. It's a combination of business needs. There's always a people at shout the loudest want their work and it's equally they want to make those people and helping it, but I don't want to necessarily give them what they want all the time because it's not The water tells bad behavior and great. So they want so pretty clear going to be aware of those people as well because they can be the ones that spread the negative word about you and kind of then I did a great job. They're not doing this I want this and so it's a bit of a balancing thing out there. But the only my privatizations our first kind of separating two quick wins versus longer term work. So something that can just be done you kind of should just do it but you've got to balance that with if you have a lot of things I can just be done then you never do any the bigger pieces. So that's kind of a full being asked on the team to just be aware of that. That and it's kind of a bit of an expectation that if something is just a quick thing then do it, but for them to kind of - there were close to make sure they're not doing a lot of great friends then the business opportunity. So kind of what's the business priorities whether that's driving Revenue producing attrition pain Point successful. What's the business priority looking at the effort to build and kind of what I think is going to make the kind of biggest Improvement for us as a business in terms of the kind of the data analytic strategy supposed to and I say that the em like saying the prioritize Me privatizing the self-service is important now and we didn't do that earlier because it was important for me to kind of I was learning what the business kind of needs and then I can help build the self-serve but now's the time to prioritize that over the ad hoc. There's also an element of what does the team members want to learn? So if I've had a request if someone wants to learn segmentation and it's like well, I'm not prioritize that task because if they can do that, but it is it's a matrix of business priorities business needs demands and development. Matiz, quick wins long-term strategies and then you always get the senior leader that wants something and what excites you about your job or this field what gives you so passionate engaged? Yeah, I think a few things that I always kind of enjoyed the problem-solving aspects and that's what you're going to do in the data science space, especially the problems where people think that can't be solved its kind of the competitive side of me likes a bit of a challenge, but it's at the seeing the results as well and kind of seeing People make the changes think the fraud was easy in the early days because you could see that you could actually quantify it as well kind of by the end of the day or the week. You could put the I've saved x amount of dollars for the business because they're putting those also seeing something in production in action kind of happening is kind of a little bit of a kind of a both kind of I did that. It's probably harder now is it's more tenuous to kind of what the impact to to the real world and but the other the problem-solving aspect is leaning then I like to see people learn and grow as well and develop the team one of these the things that when I was looking for a job after leaving the bank taking a break and coming back. The other thing I was looking at was was I kind of realized that working in the Contracting when I was going back to being a dual as I'd like to be in a senior analyst kind of doing the work was kind of fun kind of like I still got it, but I kind of miss the strategy aspects and kind of the shaping the business so not necessarily just the analytics area and the team to see what we can do there. But how can we grow the business and make the business further by having? I kind of think that team meetings kind of discussing what's the direction of the business and I like those kind of the strategy session. Why do you think that is kind of how I feel about arrogant say no but kind of feeling like I do have an opinion and their voices should be heard and I'm a big believer that they did a science teams and they download it seems we're the smartest kind of people and we're not just asking to be in a data analytics data science team. We can spread across the areas of the business and the businesses will be much better for it. If we were all we see very biased it's out of a little bit of an expert. Bossier to that and also a little bit of proof and of that weekend as well by challenging the kind of the questions and asking the questions of this kind of skill sets of asking why the Cure is going to Nature. Is it the right problem to be solved all those things that you work on a little data analytics kind of Consulting kind of assignment almost applies to the bigger the business. Yes, and I think surprisingly so from when I worked in business going from the questions and of what did I learn from? You need a business kind of realizing that a lot of those questions don't necessarily always happen. A lot of businesses can just visit Units just run along and you kind of need those check-in points, but if his nose while I showed you, but I kind of enjoy those kind of the Year being part of the bigger piece and getting the data analytics recognized to be part of those conversations as well as we make such a huge difference. That's really good. Something is all the IDF. We're a different breed for one of a better word where they kind of think about the detail kind of aspects as well. But then you can apply it to their business knowledge or whether they're kind of the fraud background of kind of realizing kind of the the cynical side. Of the things can go wrong. And what should you do if things go wrong? So it's not just about if you kind of if there's a project to build a new product or something. It's often kind of thinking. What should we do boys like well have you thought about doing this because that could go wrong or what about exception kind of reporting there or if what if we're asking for a third party to Providers data. What if they don't provide us data a lot of the time I think these things are sought about in the best case scenario. And so it's kind of those questions as well in terms of the what-if scenarios as well. That's a really good one because that's a mistake that I make to offer just being a Lee positive. Yes. Thank you. It's going to be greater than equal to half a glass half full. It's good to have this discussion. So that's really great. So I'd like to change tack a little bit and ask you I guess more general questions to get advice for the listeners. What do you think makes a great data scientist? So I think you've got to have the curiosity. Why is this happening? I'm kind of to do they take things on face value kind of asked why and just make sure that they're kind of the checking the Curious nature. I think that the natural ability to do programming or coding is part of that and by natural abilities, I think there's a tendency of people wanting to get into data science to learn it. And so kind of learn coding at the process, but it's not a process. It's not a recipe a to be yes, this recipe aspects to it, but you've got a naturally understand why all the logic behind things and why things are happening so that if things do go wrong you can fix it or you kind of know why and I kind of relate it to my musical background. I'm not musical whatsoever. Absolutely. Edit and I just never could get it and when I was at school, we had music lessons and you had to write a song on my keyboard and I would learn it by a just memorize what I had to do. I couldn't feel it within me. And so I had to memorize it and it just wasn't for me it was forced and then and that's kind of the coding aspect. It's kind of is he like with people just kind of music and they can do it. I don't know who they can't do it, but it's kind of the applies to the coding. If you can do it you can have it comes naturally you kind of got the Curiosity so don't necessarily force it if you're forcing. It's not necessarily for you, but it's been Able to understand when you're forcing it versus when it's just part of the learning hurdles of learning it could you can learn it if it's in your kind of natural ability to learn it. It's Don't Force It because you never you're not going to be a great day to sign business leader if you're forcing it and it's not a bad thing as either there's other things you probably good at but I think for the time being anyway coding is going to be a big part of the data science job. So natural ability coding. I kind of probably always lean a bit towards the softer skills after that and more The Continuous learning kind of attitude that you can always learn from using them. New single read other people's work and always though their willingness to always want to learn attitude as well. We gotta do them Behavior. So people are a bit energized by going to work want to do a good thing open mindset to kind of like, how can we do things kind of can-do attitude kind of things. It's yes, we can do this now can't do that Locker move on. It's like right. So, how can we do it? Yeah, because the right attitude the right mind said it literally requires zero skills like zero training and it makes such a huge. Huge difference if you added on top of technical capabilities soft skills and right attitude the amount of times. I've kind of heard if people have been to something whether it's kind of a conference that maybe 10 years to their job or a business wide update kind of where she's kind of talking about something far removed from what they do in the day job and go how was that you are that was boring didn't learn anything like what you could always learn from it. Yes. I might some parts my reborn but you may take a snippet. So it kind of don't have the clothes mindset. I know it's what can you learn are saying I get overly excited by all this. But it's not if you go into it that I'm not gonna learn anything. It's going to be boring then don't bother going and I love that because I'm the same absolutely terrible. What do you think makes a great data science leader first, the bias kind of side of me thinks everything that you should be for a data scientist because it's kind of buried all questions of technical leader versus equal leader. I remember having a conversation for about seven years ago. Now with our previous people either where they were saying all but so you don't have to be a technical person to be a people either as I know you have To be able to Technical and yes, I do agree in a lot of ways but I think to be a good data science leader is you've got to have a good technical background to and that's why you can you can walk the walk as well as talk the talk you can call bullshit kind of things. If someone says this God is going to take me five weeks to do it. Yeah. I really I could do that in like time so we should also put that the respect Factor as well as the if they kind of respect you and I think it motivates the team a little bit more but also I can get on tools and help people out as well if there's a big demand or if it's off. All the people of sick or if someone's just wants advice. I don't have to call on someone. Yes, there's times when I don't know everything so I do have to say oh it's only by nose out. We can go with him or their research it but I kind of its like the triage I can do the first part of that and help them out. So going to be everything is in the data scientist and then probably the from my experience in the lessons that I'm still learning is that salesman kind of aspect is that you've got to put the team on show and advocate for what they're doing and what a great job they're doing and then the the networking side as well kind of speaking. People building up the networks to help build the contacts for the team as well. So when I can't do things I can guide, you know other people to do things plus it then helps grow the ideas of what to do for the team as well, but we'll get there the biggest I don't know probably half of my learning experiences that the salesman aspect to our leader and telling them what the team is doing not in a way that compromises your values as a what I call some kind of salesman correct and being a little dishonest but it's kind of how does to Advocate what the teams doing super important for the team to get the recognition that it is a Keep that motivation high as well. Yeah, because how excited when I when a team member kind of sees their work in production or getting recognition for something you can see the little buzz in the excitement and it's so important to kind of do that because yeah again, I think the kind of quiet little mice they do a really good job often really helpful for to helpful and I think but need there neither time on the stage. What do you see as the current challenges or the main Challenger challenges in the industry right now for my people side? I think there's a lot of Frozen. Austin people in that the data science base. I mean having Melbourne have the biggest one of the biggest data science medications like 5,000 in that shows us a demand, but is it the demand for the right reasons? So how can we make sure that we're not overselling the job but we also kind of educating and training and getting the right people in the jobs as well. I think there's a stage kind of went when I was kind of getting into things, you know one really knew what data analytics was data science wasn't really a word now. It's a big buzz. It's getting a lot of the highlights. So there's a lot of noise to filter through when you're kind of applying for jobs, but less I think it's really good as well because it means that there's people interested in them as well. But how can we train educate get the pipeline of talent really good and upskill them for me? It's kind of want to watch his the education kind of aspect. There's new data science degrees coming on board. As a lot of online courses is a lot of if you haven't applied the theory to the business world. It's a lot different so kind of people so she's people's expectations coming out. This is easy. You just want this line of code the models that is gonna be great. Does it on his own so Then a bit of re expectation setting you're going to do in the business. I think in the product space when I was working in that space. There's a lot of talking terms of Millennials. What do we do to keep the Millennials happy and then gazing in product space and kind of products and kind of apply that to the data science base and it's kind of you think we talked about Millennials kind of wanting instant gratification or the experiences in England and like we talked earlier. There's a whole lot actually going to have to find some data manipulate the data and do that kind of in my mind is questioning. Do we have to like, how can we adapt to the millennial generation to I believe as well that probably contradictory in some ways to what my previous comment about the coding but I don't think you should always have to do the nitty-gritty coding. There's some coding like the self-serve coding kind of told in some ways. That's the kind of taken away a lot of the headache and a lot of the pain points of riding that so how can we adapt the Technologies to that but then not lose the technical and the the danger that a little bit of knowledge can go wrong but kind of use it for the good to speed up the work that we need to do to get the output this can we or should we I don't know it. Kind of if we take it too far. Do you lose the ability of knowing the data making sure we got the right data making sure it's using the right way or can you remove that pain point but still have all the you want exactly introducing one and what about the future challenges for the industry? What are some things that you see coming up that will have to be dealing with I think like a lot of space is a lot of the future challenges are going to be occurring telling you is it's like in the banking space we talked about when's cash going to go and cash is still here. Yeah, finally found I think Gary. Do the checks but Cassius does I think a lot of the pain points challenges will remain the same. So the fact that says to fail it's okay and it's not necessarily Failure Its learning and making mistakes and developing and educating businesses mindsets that that's okay the kind of the current kind of wasting increasing at the moment and of the use of data as data gets more widely accepted within in business and kind of part of the day-to-day running of it and using it more wildly. They making sure he's getting used correctly all the regulation environments that are going to happening in the focus on what we're doing. Ring and then all day autonomous cars and the ethics kind of aspect kind of things as it has more things like that happen. It's the in some ways. We've been privileged in the past of using data and getting away with it and they'll be more and more focus on how we're doing it. So they telling you of and I think that's good in a lot of ways, but how can we do it to make sure there's not too much red tape as well. Sometimes it's when is it right to do it and no doubt. We the needs to be kind of rules in place and make sure we understand how to use it what we're using it away. They're not going too fast. So we can't use anything and I think the as I see now. Our kind of a lot more roles for data governance going on the job boards. And I think that that turned all kind of continued is as businesses want to get their ducks in a row and then I think the challenges for business will be is making sure that's not just a tick the Box function and it's it's actually doing what it's meant to be doing. Yes. And what do you see as that function? What do you think that function should be doing the data governance piece? So ultimately is going to making sure we're using data for the right reasons, but there's many things making sure we're using data for the right reasons and I was a business sense making sure we don't get Trouble and keeping it in check to another we try to do things to get us into trouble that to give that conscious kind of thought to make sure are we using data in the right way, but I also think like a same everyone should do everything part of the job at their governance is part of everyone's well, not just that they don't analytics teams. Everyone's using data within the business. So, how are we using it so that there's many aspects in terms of the quality understanding the quality and how we're using it the governance of kind of the controls who has access to what and how we're using it. It's a little bit Austin and when they the legal team that the moment and kind of thing when that can happen is more in the tick the box kind of exercise and I think that's always going to be needed to because it kind of make sure you've got the framework and you've got the right framework in there, but then it's applying it from a legal document to the day job as well. And so what you often find is when you've got the legal document as you doing a lot of it anyway, but it probably exposes some kind of gaps and I are do we need to be a little bit tighter in those controls as well. So I see the governance side as a way to make sure that we're thinking about data and used in there doing the white way protecting our Some as protecting our shoulders but then making it making sure we don't use their data in the my ways I've trusted is with some data. We can't just use it as we want their think it's a lot of things in one there to go minutes. It's is also changing so quickly because it is as you said like it is how area the moment that a lot of companies are thinking about and what it looks like for them. Yeah. I'm good still constantly learning on that one and we can walk. What should we be doing in that kind of space and he has a kind of the team grows in what we do and as we've got contacted different. Businesses and things just it's about it really do the right thing. We're going to make sure people know what the right thing is. Well as that's very good. This has been fantastic amazing only have one last question for you. And that is what is a piece of advice that you would like to leave the listeners with that. It can be something for them to consider as they go through their careers as data scientist something to keep in mind something to focus on or maybe a mistake to avoid what would be something that you'd like to leave people with? Already touched on a few things like the open mindset mean probably a big one. I have a few kind of get comfortable being uncomfortable kind of is one of the other things get out of your comfort zone and kind of keep pushing yourself. It's in the kind of the business talk they talk about the the comfort zone out of your comfort zone and the danger zone. So it's making sure you're not out of the danger zone, but you're not in the danger zone rather, but you're not in the comfort zone as well. So constantly kind of pushing yourself while you'll learn and grow more Really Gonna probably going a few times with yeah, I think probably Tokyo The open mindset one a little bit more as well as a personal example. I was looking for a my manager and put me on I didn't get gave me the opportunity to work two days a week and of the semicircle meant within the strategy team and kind of just something I'm going to pull the glass and kind of did it but it's not realizing why necessarily at the time but being open-minded to kind of do it again. It's not necessarily part of my job. But God I'll do that and the strategy seems often have to do a lot of research understand the problem and then synthesize it into a kind of a condensed concise and easy to understand presentation for see Wave is to have Yuan and we were working on a list of future of payments and going to look like and it was in wasn't that the senior leader because you on this one and I helped me to understand how they go through that research process to then write the presentations in an easy to understand way and I've still got will be learning to do that. But kind of just the tips on kind of a how to write an executive summary to kind of highlight the key things versus the titles of slides being more about what the content is and the content is just to support the evidence point of the size rather than being a boring. Sales by day or something. It's kind of more Punchy as I really learn a lot from that experience as it is the keeping an open mind that you can always learn from other aspects. Probably the other bit of ice will be about yourself probably my personal and the story and that one would be private school or three or four years ago. Now I was actually having a conversation with my people either at the time and having the development conversations of what do you want to do next don't like anyone your job. It wasn't good enough at his job is kind of always, you know, I've been in the role however many years but kind of you know, he was also Embedded a job knew a lot of things and there's no idea. I was ready for that as the week's kind of progressed and became apparent that he was going to go on as a common elsewhere and he's well became available and then I can't just start to think that I see if someone else gets that and probably getting the competitive side to me again. I'll give already jealous probably think I can do that as a kind of back myself and say yeah, I didn't want your job and then like a couple weeks later. I was in that job and so in that first a comment and then in there for two years in the end before I left, but had I not done that and kind of made that conscious decision to back myself. I wouldn't be here where I am. Today because it was a big step up I think going from the manager to that the head of role. It's um, it's kind of the first proper step. We have noticed the change in kind of promotions where it was a bigger difference rather than an actual kind of progression. So a massive learning curve probably still think I'm way out of my depth kind of the the impostor syndrome head of aspects, but I die not been forced to kind of back my cell phone and get in that position. Then I want to learn what I have and there today so yeah always about yourself. That is a fantastic note to end on that was amazing. Thank you so much. 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Sally is the General Manager of Insights at the Australian Motoring Services. She previously spent 10 years working in banking and today she shares her story. We speak about: * Fraud analytics in big banks * End to end analytics * Importance of fast feedback loops * Shocks of early working life * Balancing speed & accuracy * 80/20 vs 95/5 * Exposures in strategy & politics * Helping the business ask the right questions * Leading with the work * Career breaks: how to * Importance of working on yourself * Advantages of medium sized companies * Creating a data strategy * Balancing tactical solutions, strategic initiatives and team development * Self service analytics * Educating business stakeholders & getting their feedback * Ability to ask anything from everyone * Data science is like medicine * Leveraging multiple dimensions for career development * Knowledge sharing sessions * Getting analytics a seat at the table Show notes: www.datafuturology.com/podcast/34 Sally is based in Melbourne, Australia And as always, we appreciate your Reviews, Follows, Likes, Shares and Ratings. It really helps new data scientists find us. Thank you so much, and enjoy the show!

Hey, this is Jason overcome Redmond. Thanks for tuning into the overcoming conquer show. If you love this show we want you to do us a huge favor. Go to iTunes subscribe leave that five-star review. Leave a comment and most importantly share with your friends because sharing is caring everybody wants to be on top of the problem nowadays is people want to get dropped off at the top of the hill there just that I overcome mine set that makes all the difference. Either way. We're taught is you're going to call. Scratch going to fight you're gonna dig you're going to do whatever it takes to get to the top of that mountain that unequivocally is how I have managed to keep myself moving forward and finding success and welcome back to the overcome the conquer show man. We have been on a run. We have had so many amazing guest recently and the feedback has been phenomenal today is no different. We have an incredible guest We're going to be jumping into it Ray Ray. What dude Ray? What are you doing looking at myself? Because Ryan has realized that I am the fucking captain of the show and that when I make a request to have a mirror on my mic so I can see myself LT. He makes shit happen. So pay your fucking respects not only to me, but to the mirror, I'm going to get a little thing a hair gel hook to the side too. And our guest I know he's got fantastic. I wish all of you could see this. I mean, this is I'm both Frankly, I'm impressed to be perfectly honest. I've got no one not even handsome looks of like laughs discuss of the skull. Yeah, but if you guys could see this there is a tiny mirror attached to the top of race Mike and he literally is making love to that mirror. It's it's I'm both I'm both. I feel a little awkward and excited at the middle name is humble. Let's go. Let's move on. I don't get this job is getting our guest cause I just got to get past that that'll Ever be shared on to my Watcher fucking dream. So guys, we are honored to have a another fellow teammate. It's always good to have teammates on you know, we are forged in the fires of SEAL training and which leads to just the common Bond and we've been through a lot of things together Our Guest today has gone on he is now out of the Navy and he's doing some big things. He is a 10-year seal veteran. He's an entrepreneur. He is a speaker. He is a painter but what is most Amos Lee known for is he is a professional mixed martial arts fighter and he has been out there just setting the world on fire getting out there fighting and spreading a message of mindset is everything so he is currently out there getting it on. He also created his own company and we're going to be talking about that today and he's getting out there trying to motivate and Inspire others all across this country. From The Young to the old he is a fitness Maven he is a beast every time I see him, you know, it inspires me to want to push myself a little further when I work out with Ray. Normally I say if only you were more like this guy. He looks so my son by without further Ado. It is our honor to have on the overcoming conquer show. Mr. Smashing frog himself Mitch aguiar. Welcome to the overcoming conquer show brother. Thank you guys for having me. Me on and thank you for that over-the-top introduction. Don't believe everything you hear. All right, I am known for my Viagra intros. You know, it's funny. I'm like damn who's this guy? Can't wait to meet him if you guys don't realize this he sounds like a badass. He's sporting my gear right now. But what I love about Mitch, we're going to get right into it. We're just I'm gonna I'm gonna get to drop some unease and start suck a dick right now is is fuckwits Ray has a tendency to do watch your T1, Chris Pratt. Chris Pratt is a legend but not as much as Ray. Thank you. Hmm treating Chris Pratt, but no your presence. I mean, you're a big dude. I mean we're going to talk about, you know, you're doing what you're going through right now because you're fucking lean he J actually left out that seriously when a serious note Mitch is my wife's fucking man crush. She literally wanted to dress up put on the Mitch shirt that he gave her that super tight. Thanks her high heels and come here. He actually asked if she could take Ray's place and then when we were Setting up the third microphone. She was like no, I'm good. You know, you can't blame her though, right? She's only human you're gorgeous Jesus Christ what I love about it. You've got this big dominating presence so that when you come in here just like hi. I'm Mitch you just so if I mean I've seen, you know when you get when you turn it on it changes, but you're just like this gentle giant and I mean, you know a lion doesn't need to tell you he's a lion. I like it. I like it like that damn XD This guy like what are you talking? I mean that's sums up right their mindset is everything that is a mindset statement. I'm actually wearing my tiger Gucci slippers right now because I'm fine lines. But sheep line is what I was called by individual so like to look down and realize you know, you visited. Those are those are nice their pimp school. I'm wearing my house slippers. I'm wearing my American boots as I always do so America. Let's get into with every overcoming conquer show. We have our word of the day and we reached out to Mitch and we said Mitch tell us what defines you and his word. As soon as he said I said, that's a great word because middle fucking name and it definitely it definitely captures what you represent. I mean if someone was to just look at you this word Roger that so Ray would you do us the honors for Mitch's word of the yeah. This is straight off the Webster's Dictionary effort noun a vigorous or determined attempt now, that's pretty a pretty broad stroke. Right? Obviously, you're an artist if you had to find tweak that what would the word effort mean to you? Well, you know, I chose effort because you know, In all honesty, like I truly don't think I'm special. I just don't I really don't and and that's coming from you know, I've I've been amongst, you know Giants and every every aspect of life that I've gone down, you know, like when I came in the team's I remember meeting Jason, you know shortly after his instant and just thinking like, holy fuck man this dude that's just on a whole nother level of you know, perseverance and and effort, you know what I mean like just and and inviting to you know, there's levels to everything and just seeing the different levels and being honest with yourself and like, you know not having that ego and and just really being truthful with yourself and assessing yourself and seeing that, you know, there are levels to everything and you may not be at the you know, same level as someone in your field, but that I don't take that as as you know, like I'm not a hater, you know, II I see that and I appreciate it and it and it inspires me, you know, it wakes something up in me to be better and push myself and I know that like I'm not I'm not like maybe talented or or as talented or as gifted or you know, or I'm just not where I want to be yet because I haven't put in the effort yet or haven't put in the effort for The amount of time that's required to be at that level and you know, so just I'm just real with myself, you know, and and I see people in all these things that I do and a lot of things interest me and I want to try and do a lot of things so in life and whenever I whenever I tempt a new field or new, you know some new area. Yeah, and and I see those people it just makes me want to You know put in the effort and China Sea where I can go with it and I loved it. That's kind of what where why I chose that word. Well, I'll tell you I'm going to pop in with two quick things. If you've known Jason Reitman, as long as I have went through buds with them in the same boat crew carried him through fucking life one word comes to mind not greater than life. It's prick, but I love you. I'm kidding. She felt like keep it light and no on a serious note. I love the word effort because recently I myself and my wife we got a table you hooked us up. We sat pretty much Ringside at one of your fights and people don't realize I mean, I didn't realize how fucking much work. We were talking that you put into. I mean, it's your fucking life fighting dude. You went out there and I've made the joke before it was like watching a white a white Mike Tyson. He went out there and literally was beating. I mean, this is another professional fighter and it literally looked like he went in there with me when I had like a case of beer and I mean it was you made it look effortless, but and then people are like, oh he did actually someone said this to me. Heard it. Oh, that wasn't a competition. I look this guy was no fucking joke. My point is is Mitch puts in the fucking effort. I mean when I say that's your middle name, you know, I've watched you train and you know, we're talking about doing some stuff together and I mean dude, you are no fucking joke bro. I love it man. I respect the fuck out of you. You're 17 years my younger, you know, hey, I could be your dad. He's a fuck. He's a fine young man. But what I love me I can't even I hope I look as good as you do. Grandfather. Oh, yeah, no shit, but congrats my point to this ladies and gentlemen is is just because you see something, you know, it's just like what being a seal, you know, you see us when we used to lay out on the decks getting the sun doing that you don't see the work that's put in the effort the shit that we do behind the fucking scenes The Blood The Sweat The Tears man because I know you're putting in and you're doing a lot of other amazing things. You know, Mitch is not only a seal not only a fighter, but you are in dude. You're fucking entrepreneur, man, and we're going to get into that. You are an entrepreneur motherfuck. Pimping or let's so you made a statement when you were talking about that when you're talking about effort that I loved. I think it's so great. And I think there's so many people out there in this day and age, especially the younger generation because we all live off off this this electronic world that every kid lives in as a matter of fact the younger generation right now the current generation. It's a fluid. He just picked up for those of you just listen is called the yeah. Thank you, sir. It's called the network generation and you talked about the different levels in life that you Watch other people and you said I'm not a hater. I really like seeing these other levels. There's so many haters out there. And if you realize like you said man, it just inspires me to put in more effort to get to the next level and I think that's you know, those people the ones who get inspired are they're the ones who are going to be the next generation of those people inspiring others, you know, it's the haters. It's their shitty mindset that ultimately holds them back because they're going to Instead of finding inspiration. They're going to find an excuse they're going to find you know something to to tear you down or or or Justify why it was easier for you to get in that position then then it would be for them and it's total bullshit. It's a total cop-out, you know, like no one is special like newsflash. No one is special. We are all made of the same shit and that's like what I have realized is like because I Have you know on paper? I've accomplished some things, you know, like I've become a Navy SEAL. I become a professional fighter. I become a successful entrepreneur, you know, like these are all things that that multiple, you know hundreds of people have done thousands of people have done you no, no no one was made of something different than I was and I realized that that like there's a path that you need to walk in order to get where you want to be in life and you know people have already Walk that path so you just gotta fucking match the effort and you know do what's required and you will to be there and that's why I say mindset is everything I say it because I fucking mean it, you know what I mean? Like, I'm not just saying it because it sounds good or looks good on a shirt. Yeah, like I'm saying it because I'm speaking from fucking self experience. You know, like I'm speaking from experience. It's it's obtainable anything you want to do in life if it's been done before if it hasn't been done before. You know the be a trendsetter dare to be great, you know go out there and make it happen. And that's what what it's all about. So, I got a question. I love that. So let's rewind. Okay. Let's not talk 30 year old Cameron fucking caught me off guard touche motherfucker. I love it. Okay, 30 years old. You've accomplished all these great things on paper. You're still you're still crushing it right mindsets everything. I got the shirt. I fucking my wife wears a shirt hate you for that. Anyway, my point is is what made you I mean because what people don't know is you know growing up you're definitely protective of your brother. You know, I've done my homework. I know your family you love the fucking fight. You are an aggressive motherfucker, but where does this come from? I mean, let's I want to know pre Mitch not Mitch with the giant shoulders. I want to talk like kid Mitch that made you and then what made you join the team's I don't want to get into seal stories. You know what you did but what gave you and because the thing is you you've This isn't just something you picked up a team's man. It's definitely something that that has evolved over the years. I wouldn't say. I've had what I have today for sure everything I've gone through has been a contributor, you know in into getting in forging the mindset that I currently possess and you know as a kid, I think it you know, I give a ton of credit to my parents, you know, I'm super super grateful and fortunate. Tanned and lucky to have had parents that were you know, they they were competitive, you know, they so they had they had me in sports my whole life and encouraging me to put effort in you know, and I had like really awesome morals. I think instilled in me at a young age like from the very young age, you know confidence like my mom used to put us but like I have home videos of me on my standing on my coffee table or Mom's coffee table, you know as a little kid, you know singing at the top of my lungs Mary had a little lamb. I'd like to get that 4 promo. Yeah, and I might not be don't my mom has it you know and but you know, she used to stand there or sit there with the with the video camera and my brother and I would record like she would record us singing songs and cheer us on and clap and you know, we would have like like that. So being in the spotlight being like, you know having eyes on me. I never felt like a lack of confidence because everything I attempted I was always encouraged to attempt and like cheered on no matter what you know, so from a very early on age. I had that I didn't ever have that, you know, probably when I would imagine some people deal with like anxiety or like fear of failure or like, you know, maybe they maybe they didn't get that encouragement as a kid, you know and growing up when they were faced with the Challenger adversity they shied away from it, you know be they weren't encouraged and you know, maybe they did try and they failed and we're like ridiculed and mocked or whatever and you know at an early age that can be kind of discouraging. I'm sure and steer people away and then you know, I truly believe that you know, like I said, we're known of us are different. The only thing that sets us apart is a the choices that we've made over the years compounding. Ting you know into what it is now like like that's what I told my little brother Mark, you know, he's he he eventually lost a hundred and ten pounds but he got up to 280 pounds 270 pounds. Yeah 280 Pounds at 5 foot nine. You know, he's a year younger than me and we look just alike like he could be your other son. So so rare look into your eyes so so you know, we look just alike and I'm like Mark like we have the same exact genetics like you and I literally the only difference is the choices that we've made, you know, where I've chose to, you know, work out and go do this route and this and that and you've decided to eat like shit and you know go this route like that's the only difference and you know, it took him for 28 years something like that to like, you know, just finally make that switch and or make that connection in his head and like oh shit, you know, I can do this and he did it with the with the Smashing greens looks fantastic. He does now and you know, once he once he took on that challenge, you know, and I'm like in his head like come on Mark you can fucking do this and he made that like just made the decision to you know, what I'm going to give the effort and and he did and it fucking paid off tremendously and then like he lost all Wait, he did 30 days straight of fasting with my greens and and then like kept-kept fasting and then breaking it in eating healthy and then he got on Jeff Nichols hypertrophy workout program, you know, and since a of Buna Jeff Nichols is a you know, he's a yogi, he's a Yoda of yeah dude working. I'm going to get him on here. He's always busy. I'd love to get you out for me. Yeah, he's awesome. And you know, he definitely knows his shit when it comes to lifting weights and stuff and Mark got on his program after he had dropped all that weight and put on muscle and you know and all the sudden he's like damn. I look good as fuck that feel good and like it just ignited this whole new mindset in him and then you know, and then I was standing there and I was we were talking and I was telling him how proud I was of him. And you know for finally like, you know taking charge of his life and just realizing that he was the one making these choices that was holding him back and now he's fucking, you know making Right choices and and and that's all it is like on a timeline if you look at it, like that's why I just explained to him like when you make a when you when you make a bad decision, right? Like should I eat this shitty food? Should I skip the gym like because those voices are always in your head lying to you the comfort, you know, right Shawn about it all the time get enough today. Like it's you're tired one day. You gotta work tomorrow. Like we'll just skip today blah blah blah or you know, you do you have Wait pretty healthy earlier today. Like let's just grab this candy bar. It's no big deal. You know what? I mean? I've been guilty of we all are it's all fucking day long. The problem is people slide down that path yet. Well, yeah, it turns into to that's what I'm saying, like on think about it on a timeline, right? Like on one end you have like the best version of you the other end. You have a shitty version of you and every choice you make your moving that that fucking thing either left or right like in the in the direction towards towards bottle and it's constant and Those things compound like over time those that that you know, you make if you keep making the right decisions, even if they're small ones like Google going to the gym, maybe skipping that candy bar and and eating something healthy. You know what I mean? Overtime consistency plus effort equals results, you know, she that's amazing because mine's time plus effort equals results. It's a amazing thing. I didn't even know that you had that copyright trade. But my point is is right. It's not fucking rocket science. That's the other that anyone's even listening to me or like, you know, it's like why did you need it to hear it from me? Like I feel like I'm captain obvious. Where's that fucking hat? Yeah, you know like yeah, don't worry. We've got hair gel on standby. Aerogel that's honestly how I feel at times and I'm just like what you know people message me and they're like, hey man, like I need to lose weight and and get my life back on track and I'm like well fucking put it earlier put it back. I think I read a post you had the other day and some guy wrote. Thanks, man. And I'm like, why did you need me to fucking tell it you already know the answers. We all know the answers everybody knows for the most part what they should be doing. But so many don't know how to do it. Well, that's It's kind that's debatable. Okay, there there are Annex, you could definitely learn but there's there's easy ways to learn you can ask people to fucking put it put in this day and age. I mean you can go on YouTube but no one is are you doesn't matter though. You can you can fuck him put them in the best gym in the world the best diet plan all that stuff, you know, give them a motivational speech until you're blue in the face, but if they don't fucking put in the effort, it does not matter fuck. So let's go. Let's go back to something you were talking about the greens. Yeah. How did the greens come to be and you're killing it with the greens now fucking crush on. I used to be a fucking work. So I look so sexy. Is that it? Yeah, you know, thank you. I thought it was tell the tell us about the greens because you said you got your brother on the greens to yeah, and that was a big part of his transformation shitload of people are on the greens. And so now, you know, The greens no. No, it's her face. But so yeah, don't do that man. My snap now I got my glock here just in case she gets out of line with me. Those are those are just recreational rounds, right? I got shot with real bullets. Yeah, right. Hey, so tell me about what led to the creation of that and and and people out there right now. They're listening that are like dude. I want to make a transformation maybe right now there's some other guy or gal that struggling Our weight and they're like dude. How did his brother do that part of its effort by everybody knows part of it is nutrition of what you put in your body. So you have the greens are doing that. Yeah, so, okay, so I had initially watched a documentary called fat sick and nearly dead and it's on Netflix. I don't know if you guys have ever seen it at this guy. He was real overweight had a skin disease of some some kind and he had done some research on juice fasting and the micro nutrients that you get from from juicing juice or vegetables and all that. And anyway, he had said that he was going to go on a 60 day juice fast and just kind of experiment and see see how it goes and he had tremendous results, you know, lost a ton of weight his the doctors couldn't believe how well his you know blood work and all that shit was and like his skin disease cleared up and all kinds of stuff and it just, you know inspired me to like wow like that. Pretty cool. Like you suck. I just watched this dude completely change the trajectory of his life. So it was you know, 60-day Transformer days of effort. Wow. Yeah, you know like he made a fucking decision and stuck with it like do or do not there is no try like Yoda fucking just do it, you know, and so it was it was it was like I said inspiring to me and I was like hell yeah, that's awesome man. And you know, not that I needed and I wasn't like overweight or anything. Like that, but I was like, you know, I it was inspiring to me and I dug it. So I was like I'm going to I'm going to do that. I'm going to give it a try. So I went out and bought a juicer and how long ago was this man? This was you were perfect in this for a while because I mean, yeah for Russian and you're like fuck you I'm not going to rush and I remember that it was 2015 16. Okay, so roughly years or years ago. Yeah. Yeah couple of years ago. Okay. Yeah. Fuck man. I want to say like Team. Okay, and because it's really important I mean on the entrepreneurial side which you're doing. I mean, you know bedros who's mentoring both of Austin amazing entrepreneur, one of the big things he talks about is speed of implementation and really in the grand scheme of things three years is not a long time for you to decide. I think I can make a difference. Well, that was just when it started like I didn't my company like my greens and actually come out like they haven't even been out for a year. But so I just heard her watch this documentary. And inspired me, so I went out and bought a juicer and I went out and bought all the vegetables to make, you know to juice all these juices and I was like, okay I'm going to do a 10-day fast and or I think 7 or 7 or 10, I think I did seven days as I'm going to do a seven-day fast and see how this goes and it was a I was spending a lot of money on vegetables like, you know, in order to make a juice, you know, unless you're using like cucumbers and celery which those fucking juice bars. They all when they You agree ins drink, you know and it's sellers. So it's got spirulina and kale and all this stuff and you or you know, whatever. They put like this much like a little tiny pinch of of spinach and then they fill your fucking shit with cucumber, you know, because of 90% water. Anyway, yes - yeah for people that are sad equation. It's like when you go to have sushi, we're a big Sushi fans when they load up on the fucking rights versus just get the Sashimi, right? Yeah. Just try to make it for my shit. So you just trying to be trying to pass off a Bunch of bullshit now, and I'm not into that. I just I'm really not fucking sick and tired of people trying to scam and skimp and get 100. You know what I mean? I'm just a transparent dude. I like that. And so anyway got all these vegetables and stuff a spending a lot of money to make them and then cleaning the juice the juicer was a pain in the ass and like doing that three to four times a day and and you know, and I was and I was not feeling full I was not feeling like You know, I was definitely starving still, you know what I mean? And I was training hard to and it just wasn't like enjoyable plus like my fucking house smelled like pumpkin like I was carving pumpkins or something. It's Halloween you so anyway, I was like, man, there's got to be a better way than this and then I went to the juice bar and and I was like, oh shit. I can just pay eight bucks and you know get a juice made. That's that's way more convenient like I'd rather Either do that. So I went to their it was going there all the time and getting my juices but then same thing. Like I said, I noticed that they were like skimping, you know. Oh, it's 90% fucking cucumber judge corner. It's like you throw an ounce of spinach in there, like fuck that. That's not what I'm looking for. And plus they they I was getting wheatgrass shots and they kept running out of wheatgrass shots and I was like, why do you guys keep running out of wheatgrass shots like every fucking day, you know, And there go we are guy doesn't have wheat grass. So I was like well how fucking hard is it to grow wheatgrass? So I Googled it and wasn't hard at all it just put in some effort. And so I Googled how to grow wheatgrass went and got these baking trays put some soil down went to Whole Foods got wheat grass seeds laid some damp wet paper towels over it three days later. I had wheatgrass. Oh shit. Yeah, so I brought them the wheatgrass and I said, let me go Fucking hard now make me we crash at yeah, and they were like, holy shit. Like you you you you know you grew this I'm like, yeah, it's fucking stupid easy and I'm a panther and so they they were like, yeah, will you if you keep growing wheatgrass first, we'll give you free juice and I was like fuck. Yeah, that's easy deal. Fuck you. So I was happy, you know, I was happy at that point and but then they had had a falling out between the owners and another location or something. They ended up closing down. So I was like fuck now, I'm back to square one. And I was at a local vitamin shop and came across so can we pause for one second? So you're so how long was that period of time and we're starting to feel what's the juices you were getting there because you were talking like kind of feeling empty like you didn't have enough energy where these juices were you was there some change that was enabling you to feel full and that it was giving you what you needed. I noticed like with the I noticed that I was feeling like lighter and just General because I wasn't taking in like a lot of processed foods. I was really on top of my diet. So I was eating a lot of like one ingredient items, you know, like fish and chicken and broccoli and you know what, I mean, like other whole whole food one ingredient items Natural Foods. So on top of drinking like my vegetable juice and stuff. I felt great and you know, and I was training all the time and everything like that. So it was awesome and then I came across Some I was in the supplement store one day and saw organic freeze-dried wheatgrass that you just added water to shit and I was like, oh damn, that's way easier like, you know, and it's organic. So that's legit. Like I was like, yeah, I'm there. So I did that and then I was started looking up, you know, the benefits of wheatgrass and the benefits of you know, all these different Super Foods and you know, and then I looked at see which ones were in available. Freeze dried form and then you know what? They're what they're like what made them special like, what's what's so good about wheatgrass. What's so good about spirulina, you know, what's so good about Maka all these things that I was looking for specifically for my own personal, you know, like results that I was seeking. I was I wanted, you know, I wanted a weekly wheatgrass. I wanted energy. I wanted to burn fat. I wanted to feel full, you know, I didn't want to feel Hungry, especially if I'm fasting fucking you know for long periods of time like I don't want to be miserable and starving because you're what people don't know right now is your own day. I'm on day 9 of my juice fast, right? You know, I swipe all the gun I'd know if you could be great. So how many juice when you're on your juice fast. How many do you drink a day? I drink around one or two a day, but I've done the fast so many times like leading people like through it. You know what I mean? Like leading my Flowers and stuff like on a fast and so the it is just like anything else the more effort you put into something the more you practice it the easier it gets and you know, my this has been the easiest fastest I've ever done and like, you know, it seems to be that way every fast I do is easier and easier and this one like I said has been the the easiest fast. It's also super easy when like the busier you are, you know boredom is the hardest part of this class. Because people don't realize how much food revolves around your world like everyone not just mean every all of our Lives revolve around food. You wake up its breakfast, you know, then then it's lunch. You know, you're already looking forward to lunch and you're looking for plans with lunch like meeting with colleagues meeting. You know, let's do lunch. Let's talk about let's grab coffee. Let's talk about it, you know dinner time with the family sit down. It's a social thing, you know, and then like, let's go to the bars tonight. We're going to drink alcohol. We're going to fucking yeah, you know, Everything you do is socially of all around food and it's just it's a drug that everyone is addicted to and everyone's cool with you know, and it's like human beings were not effort where we weren't meant to just effortlessly gorge on food. Yeah, but we're smart enough to where we've tricked the food chain and like made it that way, you know, but we weren't really meant to do that. So it's a great like, it's a great way to also give your body a your Festive system a reset and chill out. You know what? I mean? It's just amazing overall. So mr. I have a question about the great. I haven't used a greens yet. I would love to use them. I definitely am really big I thought about physical leadership. Well, I want some you wouldn't but I have a question how many citing surgeries have here? So I've had 40 but here's a question of attend either as a matter of fact, the bullets would have just bounced off if I've been on the greens let the fuck question though. I have a hard time holding weight on like I have to I have to consume a lot of calories. Is and you know, I don't hate you. I'm trying to know and they're releasing won't do it. So the show for me things like that. Like I really have to I'm never trying to swim down. I mean obviously, you know, it's that fight that everybody has, you know, we want to be strong and have muscle but Bolin, but for me, I'm not looking to slim down. I'm always trying to maintain weight or put on weight. Well, you gotta eat big to get big. So how would with the greens be good? Or me or it to incorporate and chocolate I'm Jean. So yeah, so the so the so the greens if you're not looking to to lose weight, you can always Implement them in your diet. Right? Like you're never going to you're never going to get anyone telling you that you're not going to benefit or it's not a good idea to to ingest a shitload of nutrients the from superfoods, you know what I mean? So it's definitely something that I take regardless of if I'm fasting or not every single day just like a A vitamin which I have multiplied but we take a multivitamin the greens every day regardless and then for you I would say protein is like super important. You need to be in taking like at least a gram of protein per body pound per day. Yeah. I'm working with I'm getting meals from meal company nutritions doing your squats. Oh, yeah. Yeah, as a matter of fact it squat day-to-day baby you go from doing front squats today. So I do 1.5 grams. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, I mean and that's I am not a scientist with any of them. That's just a good rule of thumb is that I've heard and that's what I do. And you know, I don't really have an issue like my my body is a direct reflection of my effort. Right and what I'm doing at the moment, you know, like I lose weight. I shred up real easily if I'm doing that and if I'm eating like an asshole I get fat real quick and you know if I'm if I'm eating clean. Mmm bulking and you know taking in that amount of protein and putting in the work, you know, I get big real quick. So I like it. I have to fun facts. I like to always throw facts in here because my new thing is facts and I want to tell some people some facts. I have tried the greens. I went over to your house and a months ago and I literally said hey Mitch. Listen, I'm in fucking slack in a fucking needs. I need to do this this and this fucking invited me to his home true story. He said hey, here's my greens and you gave me that mint chocolate chip and he fucking actually opened his house and just gave it to me wouldn't take my money. I'm not gonna fucking argue with him and I did it. I did it for five days and ladies and gentlemen, I'm here. I'm not a fucking paid sponsor. Nothing like this. It fucking worked. I told him shit worked. We had to tweak a few things up because I fucking eat like a fucking 200 pound pig and it worked. Well, you can always like add to you can you know night I do I put out that guideline as a guideline, you know, if this is my regiment, this is my faster, whatever. Everyone is different. I don't think that I have the fucking answers, you know, the the that's it, you know answer for everyone and and and I hate I see that so often that people, you know on Instagram or their own everyone gets their they're like formed opinion and it's like gospel and if you and if you don't adhere to it, like exactly then then they talk shit about it or whatever. Everybody's different every time zones different frame in so so like this is what I do and my thing is, you know, none of that criteria was invented II made it, you know, I sound I found what worked for me and and tweak things here and there and and it's awesome for me now and people can use my greens and and products and stuff and incorporate it, you know to fit their lifestyle but like and I like this is something that I just started like telling people is like, you know, especially with the fast, you know, because I get a lot of people that reach out to me asking about it and inquiring and stuff but I think a lot of them are looking for that effortless, you know, just take take a pill and it goes away and it's and now you're shredded and all this, you know what I mean, but it's not that and I don't I don't advertise it as that like if you're not interested in giving effort and pushing yourself like and I also As that this this challenge is yes this fast half of it is to lose weight for sure and I did that so that I could cut wait for fighting and stuff like that and I use it for other events. Like if I have a photo shoot coming up or something, you're goddamn, right? I'm going too fast before hand and and be real shredded, you know, and like so it's great for events coming up you can plan for stuff like that. But yeah, it's also great for like the other half of this fast is the mental challenge the pushing yourself the discipline. I tell people get You you lose weight and gain discipline, you know, and and the other thing is you get what you give so give more I love it. Yeah, I love it. So now on I'm going to tell mother fun fact, if you don't he doesn't eat. All I want is just a smile from you a couple of years. I don't know how long ago was you and II was away doing some Consulting and I said, hey, man, can we meet up for lunch? Remember that and we fucking went and had lunch once a place called Saladworks? Yeah, right. Fuck he goes in here said Iceman. I want to buy you lunch. There was some shit going on. Somebody was acting like they were me doing whatever it was fucking Instagram bullshit. So I said, hey man Frogman Frogman, let's just fucking hash this out like over a salad out of her fucking fist. He goes Roger that's we walk in swear - I swear to fucking God he goes. I'll take the Mitch Mitch sound Mitchell. What the fuck some it shall we but for has his own salad is there and I was like, do you have a cache to like know who the fuck are you fucking bitch? And it was like one of the myths But I want to put that out there. Well, that's because I'm a creature of habit and you know, like when I find I found that place Saladworks and they have really really good salads everything's high quality stuff. And you know for me like eating clean that's like one of the hardest things about eating clean as it's hard to get full. You know, I have to eat so much to get full they opened a new one at Greenbrier we go there all the time so really sweet trying to get a cash. There's not going for yeah. Well, I'll see what I can do. That's why I will show me. It's where can people find the greens because this is we've been talking about is a lot of people curious. Where can they go? And then I want to we're running. I know you're on a tighter timeline today. So I do want to touch upon your fighting and real quickly. But right now where can people go to find these greens get there. Smashing green zones. So visit massive supplements.com. Ma SF supplements.com. It's a play on words massive. Yes massive Stone. Well playing I'm saying. All right, some massive supplements.com has the greens and yeah, and you can follow me on Instagram at at Mitch underscore a gr. A GUI AR with the blue check because he's legit guys. He's there's like people were always in. Yeah, I hate you because you got it but good on you and that's actually it's funny you were saying I thought you were going to tell a story about how we actually met like we had come across each other. We were both on. Instagram doing some like you know, I had started my Instagram you had already been out and had an Instagram and you know, I think mine had started to gain like some popularity. I think I was at like 30,000 followers or something like that. When we cross paths, I think it was something like somewhere around there and and people were I was doing these live streams and people were coming on there and saying like this and that about Ray cash and like what my opinion was and I'm like, I don't even know who Ray cash is, you know, and and there were In like oh, well he's doing this and that and it was almost like they were they were like random people were trying to start drums their studies. Yeah between you and I and I'm like, I don't even know him. You know, I actually called Tony Franco and said, hey man, I need this guy's number because I mean, you know, you got to fucking rep for fucking smells like that, you know, but I'm a man and it's like you got an issue. You just call a guy. I just want you told me that you guys settled it in an arm wrestling contest and I can whup his ass. I whupped his ass. Listen, there is no secret here. I'm a fucking I'm old and I'm strong. I could fucking move some weight. I I've seen it. I know Jeff Nichols, but I can fucking hormone dude. We were at Smokey Bones Smoky Bones. I'm a lefty. Are you lefty or righty? Righty. He's a writing I said, you know what? Fuck it. Let's do this shit. I can't fight you but I'll fucking rip your arm off this motherfucker rip. My fucking arm out of socket. The only thing that Kept me from crying was the fact that I knew that he had a tried and I tried it because I literally went home cried to my wife for like a day and now my wife wants to sleep with Mitch. God bless ya. Yeah, but yeah, it was it was interesting. Like he had he had, you know, we had all this like weird kind of tension almost, you know, and then I had like, I think I'd even gone to message you were something but you were you had blocked me on Instagram and and people said you want to kill me. No, what the hell's going on which added to the confusion because I was like, well, maybe there's some some maybe there really is no really is something here. Like I don't know. I can't even message the guy, you know, so I was just like fuck it whatever and then he had he had. Well a lot of people don't know that rage phrase only Chihuahua is him a mutual person had sent me a message or whatever and then I think we had facetimed. Yeah, and I was like, hey, man, what's the deal and you were like, what's the deal? You and I was like nothing. I don't even know what this is about and then we realized that it was just other people just talking shit or whatever and we were like, okay cool. Yeah, I don't have any issues with you that cool. Let's grab lunch and you know, and that's how we're looking at friends since and yeah, it's pretty cool. Like I really I really am not a fan of you know, I and I see it a lot. It's every online. It's a lot of jealousy I think. Yeah, you know and and I don't understand it because I you know, I'm just not that type of person. Like I said when I see people doing good stuff. It doesn't make me jealous of them. It doesn't make me think like that should be me or they don't deserve that or this or that like I just it makes me want to push myself more and like give more and do more so, you know, and then especially like with other seals like getting out of the Then the Navy and then you know, once you get out of the Navy you're you know, you don't know it until you're out of the SEAL Teams, but you know, they say it in the teams and you think about it and you hear it in this and that but until it actually happens to you. You don't you don't know what the fuck it is. Right? So but that when you get out that train absolutely keeps the fuck going and it doesn't care. It does not give a fuck about you. It's not gonna you know, nobody's gonna be on the jungle. Three months later. Hey, how's it going? You got everything you need, you know, I dropped Manny focused on the mission. That's cool. And that's cool. And you know, and those guys are focused and stuff. But for the guys that get out, you know, you are on your fucking own now and you know, I want you guys to know that there is a Brotherhood another Brotherhood outside of the teams of Team guys who are in the the world now making it with without the SEAL Teams and you know, and We should utilize each other as a support group and networking and you know, like we should all be encouraging and lifting each other up and you know, we're all doing good stuff and we're all out here trying to make it in our own way. Whatever it is. And even if we are in the same line of work or whatever like, you know, I'm out here trying to encourage people to push themselves and be better and motivate and and And you know, that's what I'm trying to do, but that doesn't mean that if David Goggins or Jocko or any of those guys are doing that shit as well that they're doing it wrong or my ways better or that their competition. I don't look at this guy's like competition like I'm fine. I think it's awesome. You know what I do. If I do so much. This is the best podcast you've ever been on his. Let's talk about yourself. I really do. You know what I'm saying? He was like your mentality right? Like do you think that or like, you know you I'm wearing one of your shirts right now. Thank you. Do you you're welcome. Do you think that like that? I think that someone literally their closet is only massive apparel. Yeah, you know or that like I can't promote your brand be Grace wife's closet solely Master, but it's a little weird. That's true. So Mitch I said hi. Yeah, I got enough of it. But you know what I'm saying is Like in reality, like if one if a follower a random follower, right and they follow and support me and what I've got going on chances are they probably fuck with everyone who's like me, you know, like Joshua Rey or or David guys are whoever like they like the fact that like we're pushing ourselves and and they want to be like that. They're like minded said they want to support you and me and they don't pick fucking like well, I'm only getting Stuff, you know because he's my favorite or whatever and like no like their closet. I'm sure has multiple Brands. They probably have a massive shirt. They probably have a fucking Adidas sure. They probably have you know on a conquer sure it's whatever like I just don't think you know, there's the world is too big. There's too many people. There's plenty of fucking money out there. Let's not get greedy as fuck. Everybody loved it. I sure wish somebody once told me and I love this analogy that on any given day. There's 26 Thousand flights flying across the United States all of those flights are mapped out and they all have their own airspace. You know, they keep at least a mile apart, whatever. So twenty six thousand flights a day. There's enough air space. There's enough air space for all of us from Christ. And so and that's the mindset you have to have so don't you know, that's why you let's talk a little before we for because we're running out of time. I want to touch on you fighting because people are I want people to be aware of that. I want them to follow you so you Stefan. On guys you stepped out and got into the into the MMA world and you've done really well at it and you've gone from an amateur fighter to now you've stepped up into the big leagues. You're actually a professional fighter. Yeah. So right now your current record, you've had one win and you have one law. So what have you learned from that and what are you gearing up for? What's next for you on the on the professional docket? Yeah. So as an amateur, I did about 17. Fights and I lost one fight as an amateur at a championship level. I was already a 170 pound champion. I was a I was a simultaneous 170-pound champion and a 180 185 champion and I had it was either give up the 185 belt or or you know fucking defend it or give it up and I was like well might as well. Yeah game on. Yeah shit, but went up and ended up losing that fight and but that's okay. You know, you fucking Can't win them all and had a had an awesome winning streak after that finished out my amateur career and then professional debut one one my professional debut. And then the was it my sorry my second fight gone in and lost my second fight. But now I'm and and then I've taken that was I think almost a a year ago, but I had my company had just kind of blown up at the time and and I had also gotten out of the Navy so no more paycheck and you know, I didn't retire anything like that. So like I really had to focus on my income as well, you know, so I had focused on getting my my business Foundation nice and solid and still maintaining training and all that stuff. But, you know really focusing on that and the thing about fighting, you know, especially at the Professional level, you know and at a very high level you can't you can't just go in there half-assing it like these got that's a profession. You know what I mean? Like that's these guys jobs how they make their living. So I want to get I want to make sure that I'm giving like the the ridge or appropriate, you know effort and time into this the training and it's not just it's not a one-dimensional thing MMA is mixed martial arts. So I have to practice this Jiu-Jitsu Wrestling Boxing Muay Thai all of that stuff and that all takes a lot of time, you know, and I can't do more than one thing at a time in that sense. So so there's been a little bit of a gap here, but my business is is the foundation is nice and solid. I'm ready to you know for it to grow organically as it is and now I can kind of RE shift my focus back to Lighting and that's what I've been doing. I've been training my ass off all over the world with the best in the world. So I feel great. I'm trying to get an opponent right now for August 30th in Riverside, California for the LFA. That's that's my goal at the moment is to get an opponent for that. If I don't get an opponent for that. Hopefully, you know this soon as we can. I'm ready to go. So if anyone's anyone's feeling froggy, let me know. Yeah, if you're out there right now if you want to To step up, you know Mitch is ready for you. So bring your fucking a game if you do or if you want to arm wrestle with my man. Fuck that is I'm always ready. All right, we'll listen man. It's been an honor to have you on I know our time is coming to a close. Yeah, just so everyone knows I have to I already had some plans my my dad and my Grandpa are coming into town today and we had some scheduling issues. So this podcast had to get cut short, but I'm definitely You know, I live in the area. Love you guys. You guys are awesome. Yeah, they're what happened back on for sure definitely come back and I can for the swag back into it like yeah, no problem. Well show everybody once again Mitch aguiar if you want to find him Instagrams, probably the best platform on social media. So Mitch underscore a gr. AG YouTube as well. I AR. He's on YouTube. So if you want to see videos go to YouTube and then last go to Smashing frog.com where you can get. You're smashing frog merchandise, but most importantly most importantly what can they get on smashing Frog their green, you can get your greens and smashing frog.com. You didn't even know this but it goes to that website as well. Kapow massive Supple see because I knew there's people like you out there. That's right. I said, so I said massive supplements. He's like smashing frog.com. I said, there's people out there that are driving final drive in the sun. It's about that's all about Okay guys, we'll listen. This has been a great episode. We've added you've been a great guest. Thank you. Thank you so much. What a great host. Thanks for having me. All right. This has been another episode of the overcome and Conquer show. I am Jason overcome Redman and I am Ray cash care and we are out. Oh, thanks for listening to the overcome and Conquer show tune in next time and please remember to subscribe on iTunes, please visit over. Come and Conquer.com. Hey, this is Ray cash care. 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Mitch Aguiar is a 10 year Navy SEAL Veteran, entrepreneur, speaker, painter and Professional Mixed Martial Arts Fighter. Mitch learned early on that a lot things in life are hard, but setting hard goals instills confidence, which is why he enlisted in the Navy and eventually graduated from BUDs Class 273 in 2008. He went to SEAL Team 10 deployed to Afghanistan in 2011 for 11 months, worked as a multi purpose Dog Handler for a year and then deployed to Europe for 6 months. Mitch has always had a passion for learning and teaching others. And after his tours he finished up his time in the teams teaching combatives and close quarters combat. He left the Navy in January of 2018 at the rank of E6/SO1 (Special Operator First Class) to pursue his dream of becoming a World Champion Mixed Martial Arts Fighter. He holds an amateur record of 15-1 and on January 27th, 2018 he made his Professional MMA debut winning by TKO. Mitch encourages others to follow their passions in life and in March of 2017 he founded his company MASF (Mitch Aguiar Smashin’ Frog). He aims to awaken and instill a new mindset in people. Once you truly understand the philosophy “Mindset is Everything”, your potential becomes limitless. He is on a mission to make the world a better place and to inspire others to do the same by sharing his story and living by example. He travels across the US speaking to businesses and students, athletes and veterans, to share his “Mindset is Everything” philosophy.

It's time for a new era of communication in the swine industry one that you can get the latest updates while commuting for driving to Farms here. You will have the brightest Minds the global swine industry in your pocket. You know, what you're trying to do with that is manage the polyunsaturated fat composition you have the option. So one of my old or historic sayings that I like to say was The more fat you feed a pig the more it looks like the fact that you feed it swine it podcast is only possible with the support of forward-looking and Innovative sponsors, like the lawn cose previs sent a new purrs spective visit previs sent prrs dot U, s-- to learn more Newt request experts serving producers and delivering breakthrough Solutions Genesis the first Power in genetics Xin Pro essential trace minerals. Exceptional performance every Pig a simple yet powerful Pig health and production management tool gestahl always one step ahead swine feeding. Welcome to find a podcast. My name is Marcel room Salvage your host for today's episode. This episode sponsor highlight is about Newt request you to request delivers targeted breakthrough solutions to animal producers via nutritional and non nutritional products services and Technologies and Newt request. We believe in Ingenuity inspired by servitude and that our success comes from helping producers realize improved profitability through optimized Technologies and efficient operation. Hello everyone today. We have dr. Jeff Hanson on the show and he's going to talk about pork fat quality and that formulation Lessons Learned and the impact over the last 40 years. So thanks for your time Jeff. Thank you. Glad to be here appreciate that and let's just get right into your your history first, you know, so tell us how did you get involved in pig production and and your career to this date? Yeah, thanks. It's been I've been in the pork industry since 1976 and which I grew up working for. My brother-in-law's old tank of farms in South North Central Kansas. And today they have a bore studs EFI studs, but I grew up working on the farm and we had fair to finish live cattle and and it was a diversified crop and livestock farm so that got my interest in. Pork production and we had sows outside knowing dirt lots. And and so I learned all the way through the late 70s until I went to school. I went to Nebraska for a short stint, which is where I grew up in and then I got my bachelor's and Master's at Texas A&M and my doctorate at case Kansas State. So it's pretty fortunate. I had an influence by Daryl can maybe and TD tanksley was a tremendous influence on my career. As well as my brothers and you know, he studied or they studied pretty extensively amino acid digestibility. So okay going through my masters and PhD I had exposure into amino acids and digestible formulation. And so that that became an important part as I went on to K-State and we were working at that time really starting to see some of the ideal protein kind of work come through and so that influenced us as well as we're coming through K-State lot of Matter open work was being done and we started to incorporate that information on Ideal Protein into how we formulated and really Advanced it fairly quickly. They're from from K-State. You know, I went on to be a faculty member NC State for a couple years and extension and research and ultimately had an opportunity to start at Murphy farms in 95 and as a nutritionist and director of research there and So I worked for Terry coffee for a lot of those years and in which we you know, I let either the research and the and the nutrition or just a nutrition program. So as we merge through to the Murphy Farms Murphy Brown Smithfield system, you know, I was able to be a part of that growth for almost 20 years in law and I left I left there for an opportunity with Newt request and I've enjoyed the transition. I miss my friends and what I did at Murphy farms or Smithfield, but I love what I do and the people I work with so it's a really unique opportunity to you know, do a very different role from having done a lot of different things at least in it Smithfield's alright, and now more recently when those requests right? Yes, and so about the last four years. I've got solid four years experience in sales now. Okay solid for you and have you ever tried to calculate how many pigs you fat? Hello, but it is you know, we've had a lot of millions at at Smithfield and Murphy farms. It was I always working for the largest producer. I know most people recognize that I don't have much of an ego. But what little bit is there was always Satisfied by having worked for the largest companies and it it gives you a truly unique perspective on what the issues are once you get big and how you deal with the processes. And so it is a really different scenario about what you're trying to manage the daily activities and execution versus a smaller producer that might be able to focus on an individual Barn. So it's just different fun. Very nice. All right. So let's get into the definition of pork fat quality if you can do that and also why is this important? Yeah, so, you know, I'm just so happy. B2B have the opportunity to talk about this topic. It's something that I've been very passionate about for most of my career having started at Murphy's, you know, we faced a really unique situation in the Southeast where you know, we kept getting these pigs leaner and then we got massive amounts of these very lean animals started getting a lot of Pietra in and and so you know what we found out was that pork fat quality and and pork muscle quality weren't one in the same. So if we think of I think the best definition after talking to some friends about this is, you know, really thinking about the quantity and composition of the fat that's in the carcass or in the pork product and as and how it relates to the future value of that product. So as I look at pork fat quality, I consider things like bacon obviously when In the east coast had had thin bellies that gives you a different problem than a thick belly and a different characteristic that the consumer may or may not find appealing. And so we did a lot of work for example with Mickey LaTour at at Purdue when he was there and you know, we ultimately found for example fat cell feel mattered you had a lot of sales, but they weren't very well filled so that composition of what's in those cells But also then you know de novo synthesis is affected by the rate of growth so you can see how the composition and quantity of that fat matters particularly in pork. So as we think about that that compositional aspect may be measured in IV iodine value. I always like doing a direct measure the chemical measures I didn't have to worry about any prediction equation being wrong, but you could look at things. Like melting point and other characteristics many people Define it in a lot of different ways at different points in the carcass. What we know for sure is the composition of the fat matters, but the one that often can be missed and especially in the midwest is perhaps the quantity of fat very thin bellies and very lean animals have led up to problems that we addressed in the Southeast certainly that's that's still an ongoing issue. So that value though comes in things like bacon acceptability. I can tell you from experience being the supplier of Last Resort is not where you want to be. So there's a basic threshold. You have to meet when it comes to let's say meat quality, but fat quality as well in pork the same would apply for beef. You can't have soft fat in beef and have an acceptable product in the US your your hamburger will It'll grease out and it'll just make a horrible product from a consumer acceptance standpoint. So as we look at defining what that fat quality means comes down to how it affects economic value and that can come in bacon. It can come in the store fat around ham whether you're going to have ham slices that'll kind of grease out and we'll look bad and affect consumer acceptance shoulders often times consumers like to cook shoulders on in the US. He's in a smoker and if it's Fallen apart because the fat is really greasy. Hi Ivy. Hi polyunsaturated fat that affects their choice. And so what what you don't want to be is that supplier left in the combo sitting out in the middle of the floor where you just trying to get rid of it too greasy or yeah, that makes total sense. All right, so let's jump To the historical perspective fat quality and also Jeff some Regional differences based on ingredient availability. Yep. And so it goes back in my years of experience. I'll remember symbol being developed from the national pork producers Council and so forth. We're in the 70s, you know, we started bringing in a lot of European breeds increasing prolific Assisi, and that's it's really when we started to concentrate down. I know that I want to say Murphy farms the first sod farm that the South Farm that the Sands company built. It's called Sands Farm in 1976. So I have a point of reference that it's like the late 70s and 80s. We started to see these very lean animals as we tried to improve the lean carcass yield and by definition Port people like pork because of its fat quality characteristics. They I could because its flavor and and it's generally good from a cooking perspective. They like many things about pork that are related to Fat. So as we go through this lean time frame of the 80s Smithfield actually developed product called lean generation one of the and to my knowledge one of the only branded fresh meat products ever created and they did that with their own genetics and it was a very high success. They measured the fat content and it was very low in In intramuscular meaning it made about like shoe leather now, I could cook it. Okay and have it edible but honestly people while they bought that product and the success of the other white meat was real people like pork because of its fat and its flavor. And so you see a transition that product ran its life and then I know those guys at Smithfield transition over to add Iraq and it yielded up much more Higher quality product and that's more acceptable to consumers in Asia, which prefer a premium quality product from a marbling standpoint, but also in the US and so I think we have a very Superior product to a lot of places in the world. It's just cut different and so the regional differences we ended up seeing this very slow growth in the Southeast. We saw less fat cell fill. That was a different problem. Very thin bellies you come out. Out to the Midwest and all of a sudden we get the Renewable Fuel standard that increases ethanol availability and lots of oil was being left in nose. And so then polyunsaturated fat started to create a real problem in the midwest. It was a different problem than the southeast but it was a problem them less and so they they were faced with a different set of circumstances and then as the industry started to remove oil you Cover five to seven Cent per pound ddg versus a 25 cent or 30 Cent a pound oil you were highly motivated get the oil out. So we do see that product reduced today. And and so that has been one of the blessings of the ethanol industry taking some of the oil out. Is it decreased the amount of polyunsaturated fat that's out there causing a problem any thoughts on fat quality between the the different countries in our experience. Yeah, so we deal quite a bit and I've been to a number of customers in Canada. Canada has a unique problem in that they you know, they have a small population and they can certainly out produce their population much like the UK US can for demand standpoint and their price competitiveness is less than what it would be in the u.s. Grain basis or just the cost of Housing and electricity and energy cost would be higher as it's cooler there longer. And so, you know how they become more sustainable. They've been targeting for the premium markets. They have small grains, whether that's wheat or barley less polyunsaturated fat. They have targeted a higher quality product. And in fact of displaced a number of the US customers for premium product into Japan. An it was a more competitive product for them to produce it commanded a premium, but that that that's been a struggle. I see that in Canada. You look at Mexico. You see a lot more commodity pork being produced and how they cut that products very different for the consumer in that region and whether that's an export product or not. So there's there is very differences great differences in the product are It knows countries Brazil Marcio, you know that how the cuts are selected and prepared is very different in that country to where you don't see as much value in bacon or a real premium high fat quality type product. Same would be true in Chile where I go Asia, you know, it depends on the market Japan. It's a premium Market. I think China is there they're going to be different right? So It's Unique Korea and Japan. I think are you true premium markets? And then the white white tablecloth markets in the US for for some of that really high quality pork. Very good as you think about a waste of managed Park fed quality. What what are the options there for a nutritionist out there? Yeah. So the simplest idea I always come back to is, you know, it depends on your Situation where you're at certainly managing growth rate Dino vhost fat synthesis is going to put down at most of monounsaturated fat, right it's going to be a lot of saturated fat and and some amount of a monounsaturated. You're not going to put down a polyunsaturated fat. So that largely is going to come from your diet. Which means okay, your diet is a significant source of consternation for the finished product and you have To meet a basic threshold. So if you're going to feed a lot of distillers grains or vegetable oil whether that's corn oil and let's say we're trying to get away from feeding animal products. That's a big piece. We see a lot of corn oil or soybean oil being fed. And you know what you're trying to do with that is manage the polyunsaturated fat composition. You have the option. So one of my We're historic sayings that I like to say was the more fat you feed a pig the more it looks like the fat that you feed it. And so that's a really simple kind of idea and you remember perhaps you don't in Brazil, but there's an old book on Meats from the 20s a picture from the 1920s or 30s where they show peanut oil fed pigs in which the the intercooler the oil is dripping off the carcass. Des oh wow, because it has such a low melting point. And so, you know, you have to consider that the more you feed that pig the more di Nuovo fats advances that it's replacing. So that's where the root of that idea kind of comes from. So if you go back to 1996, I think it was Dean Boyd prepared the ivp feeding. Look Greener. Yeah, I think I can't remember the exact name of that. But but it was Dean we worked with Dean and those days in Gonzales and to kind of look at that and say okay that makes a lot of sense ivp feeding. You could understand that putting a lot of oil in would create a predictably worse carcass. And so while it's not perfect if if you look there's maybe some of the K-State Iowa State data recently said says that you know using 18 2 s is a better predictor ivp does such a really good job of predicting it relative to the diversity of products exist out there. So if you take fish oil the 18 to equation won't predict its impact fish oil with ivp would would be better and I've if you just is done value product right there. Yes. Yeah IV off the product right? So it's the average, you know the IV of the fat. Times the percent fat and so it gives you a scale a scale of Riser of the type and quantity of fat in that diet. So by definition then you could figure out feeding wheat or or sorghum or barley which you would tend to see, you know, at least wheat and barley in the small grains and in Canada, you would see less of these issues because you fed a diet lower and basically polyunsaturated. fat and as you go closer to the us where we have lot of corn products we get, you know, whether that's distillers grains or it could have been corn gluten feed other byproducts of of corn production, you know would come in and hominy feed just different things were available but using a high starch product will generally result in a firmer carcass because de novo synthesis is Actually going to be only a monounsaturated or saturated product. We're saturated fat. So as we think about that you can use ivp but it doesn't mean that there's not value in feeding diets high in polyunsaturated fats. So it could be that if your Packer, you know is offering some penalty for for IV carcass measurements. So it's measuring your pork fat quality and assigns value to it ddgs might get cheap enough and corn oil might get None of that, you could still feed those and take that penalty. But the alternative is you can use there are Technologies out there like like the product we have called lip innate which affects di Nuovo fat synthesis and and basically stops the monounsaturated but but that product works. Well, you can use as much ddgs as you want save get that savings and then use this other product to recoup that back. We've seen customers. I do that with try to do it with Tallow or palm oil some of those harder fats. But again where you run into the problem is the total amount of fat goes up and you haven't probably replaced corn oil which is already three and a half percent right something like that. So you get a lot of polyunsaturated fat coming from your corn product. And as long as you're feeding that you still have the risk of accumulating these polyunsaturated fats, Very good, very good. Now a little bit of a what you call well fire round. So Barrel versus guilt which one has higher or firmer firmer fat? Yeah so barrows which had tend to have a little bit more back fat or total body fat. We've always found had about a two point higher IV are two point lower IV than a gill times. My apologies now, Where where there's customers that are using immuno castration? Yeah, you find less difference because the guilts they can actually use I think there's people out there using that and getting a growth response from the immuno castration in the guilts, which now puts them, you know on part or worse than barrows or Boars in that case, right? Okay. How about piloting? So there's pretty good evidence out there. I think that pelleting does increase IV if I was pelleting I would tell of course my supervisor that wasn't the case because I never wanted to give up the value but I think you know, there's some work out there that says that it does it's not that obvious to me could really only be because you change digestibility okay of that product. Very nice and then good anything else in general and fat quality before we moved to the three questions. We ask every guest. Oh, I think you know the consumer preference the idea that people have to remember is you have to meet a basic threshold and then you go from just meeting that threshold to what is the most premium product and you know, there is a value chain throughout that it's generally not linear, so Being greater at it or better, you know isn't necessarily better. The consumer just has a basic threshold and then you get the very premium products. So making sure that they meet that and and take advantage of all the technologies that are out there. We see customers that won't use ddgs because of the risk might impair pick product quality there is enough evidence out there. We can manage it very effectively to whatever outcome we want. Point and there are tools out there to do that. Very good. Is there a good source of black guys the NRC has some values for ivp or not. I don't recall now. Yeah. Well, I think at a minimum the Phat values you can either use a calculated or really any Source out there. You can use the IV for the fat the base fat sow corn oil has got a certain IV hundred twenty-five soils, maybe a hundred thirty. So knowing those you In calculating the ivp pretty well for any product the equations available. Yeah, very good. Isn't it time your pers protocol evolved? Elanco suppressant pers is safe and effective offering at least 26 weeks of immunity duration against the respiratory form of pervs as the first and only on Market USDA licensed vaccine containing a contemporary lineage one field stream present is a contemporary Very solution connect with your veterinarian or an elanco representative to understand how previs sent can fit your operation visit present prrs dot U s-- to learn more prevalent. It's time for a new perspective. It is time to our family. All right Jeff. So the three questions we ask every guest every episode. What is your favorite sign related resource books or whatever it is? Yeah, so I'd say I know I've heard many of your other guys talk about this Wayne cast actually brought up one of my true favorites, which is a trop raising the pig and tropical climates, but truthfully my favorite is the arc the last published version of The Arc in 1981. Well, I think it was 81. Okay might have been 91, but it Still one of my favorite books because what it taught me was how to determine factorial requirements and how it can be successful and looking at problems in a factorial way for whether it's building amino acid requirements or phosphorus and calcium. So, okay and they are see I've seen a name but is agricultural research Council. So it's the European and NRC if you will, I think it was the last published year. I think I actually stole Terry coffees copy, okay. Good. What is your favorite book unrelated to swine or being a book or a resource that you follow? Yeah. So for me, I think good to great and built the last or two of my favorite books. Jim Collins from a business perspective. Those are just too fantastic books. I recommend for anybody in in our industry or any industry that matter to read but one of my most recent favorites is we read this book called The servant Okay, and serving around servant leadership and it is it is a good lesson for anybody about how to lead people in interest just a wonderful book. This is called the service of it. So last question Jeff is what separates a successful sign professionals from those that are not in our opinion. Yeah, so I listened actually I listened pretty intently to Gonzales Castro's answer and and he embodies to me what drives success and that's Passion passion and commitment and that servant mentality. I mean here is whether that's Alberto kasserine or Randy stacker, you know, you go to any of these people that have been around the industry for lots of years and to me what they embody is a passion for what they do and to serve that industry. There's different people for different things, but I know Gonzales a great Example of someone that just has absolute passion for his industry and in bodies that in everything that they do. Yes, that's that's very very true. Very nice. Yeah. I mean I got impressed with Gonzalo. He's he send the latest research. Sometimes that we are not aware of very good Jeff appreciate our time and we'll be in touch. Thank you.

Today’s episode will cover Pork Fat Quality and Diet Formulation: Lessons learned and the impact over the last 40 years. “The more fat you feed a pig… the more it looks like the fat that you feed it.” – Dr. Jeff Hansen. Our guest is Dr. Jeff Hansen, another bright mind of the Global Swine Industry. Dr. Hansen graduated with an M.S. from Texas A&M and Ph.D. in Swine Nutrition from Kansas State University. He was previously Director of Nutritional Programs with Murphy‐Brown/Smithfield, the largest pork producer in the world, for over 20 years, and brings extensive experience in nutrition, production management and feed manufacturing. After that, he joined Nutriquest as Director of Technical Sales and Service. What you will learn: How he got involved in pig production and the development of his career; Definition of Pork Fat Quality and its importance; A Historical perspective on pork fat quality; Regional differences in the US based on ingredient availability; Thoughts on pork fat quality between different countries; Ways to manage pork fat quality; What separates successful swine professionals from those that are not. Jeff’s favorite swine-related resource: Agricultural Research Council Jeff’s favorite book unrelated to swine: The Servant Edited by Lauro Faccin

Voltron fans wear It's been a holiday. It's been the final season. We are super excited to be here. We are looking at season eight episodes 1 & 2 we have a very special guest with us tonight and team it's time to form Voltron you are tuned in to AfterBuzz TV the ESPN of tv top. Now let the you know, what chat We're Not Gonna. Tell you why we picked this song. Y'all can guess the first person to get it right get the shadow. Hello part. Is it fairly straightforward? I mean, yeah, you know the band I think yeah, but usually I feel the need to explain logic but whatever they can guess they're smart. They're good people. Wow, welcome back everyone. We are the AfterBuzz TV Voltron after show. We are looking at season eight the final season you guys episodes 1 And to launch date and shadows I have with me green line Megan Salinas. Hey everybody. I am black lion Katie Cullen and we have via one the only Emperor zarkon Neil Caplan. Hi. Everybody is very happy to be here. I'm always happy to hang with the two of you know, I'm not getting over the fact that you know, like we're missing an arm and a couple of legs, but what the heck get out, it's kind of like Voltron went. Vietnam Ahead and one arm. Yeah. What's not a monster in Gravity Falls? Yeah. Yeah kind of alarm. Most important parts. I mean what good would it be if all you had was a couple of legs, I mean and then I kick her sir. Thank you Q obligatory. We don't have a leg to stand on Joe, but we are well armed. I Gone there if you had an open the door you realize that yeah. Well, you know I play evil for a reason Sabrina says hi says technically two heads and one arm. You know, what I'll take that there we go. Let's get us horror movie monster as we possibly can. Okay. Hello everyone. Welcome back. I'm so glad that we got some more zarkon in this season. Yeah. That was a nice surprise for me. Did you what was it like getting that script? um I couldn't tell you I don't remember was so long ago to be honest with you. I mean, we probably recorded it. I'm guessing like almost a year and a half ago. Yeah where the animation pipeline that makes sense. Well, welcome back. We are wait. Let's let's talk about that first. We are going to go right to The Life and Times of owner of AA prayer and loving her way across the universe talk about let's talk about launch date and and how you know it really that names. Games for two different things and you know frankly it was one of my face because I'm not in that so I never saw the script and it was one of my favorite opens, you know with Pidge watching the show and that was just so meta it was just like, oh you guys are good. That was just a lot of fun and and it totally makes sense that they would you know, if there is TV, then that they would make a show about these. These Defenders of the universe, you know, because it hasn't been long enough for them to become legendary wait for it their Defender so, you know right now so that that just that took me by surprise and I mean even even little things like like Pidge drawing the Pidge picture. I mean, I love I love whenever I see something that kind of mixes animation, you know like that that's always fun for me. You know, it's like, oh look, Looks like she's drawing with a pencil, you know, it was just it was just it was just fun and I kept especially after you know, like watching the TV then suddenly when the game, you know, when the game shows up. I'm trying to like twist my head so I can look at the box to see if that's something I should recognize you know, is that it gets hello go is it again? Yeah, I mean this they were so good about slipping in just little things that I think people are going to be able to watch and re-watch this series for a long time. I'm in pick up all these little Easter eggs. Oh, you know or or you know, you know will say we'll say matzo balls, you know, if you have a problem with Easter eggs of matzo balls to be found throughout the series. I think that's a challenge that any reboot of a show or any new Carnation of a show that's a part of a long-running franchise. I think that's always a challenge that The that the show has to address is like how do we pay homage to everyone acknowledges knowledge it or is it or is it just you know, I mean thank goodness, you know TV has caught up to comic books with this whole notion of Multiverse. So no, so now you can actually do stuff like that. So people can go ahead and say well that's the legendary Defender universe and this is the Defenders of the universe universe. S and they can both kind of exist in their own way. But yeah, just the the blending of the two and acknowledging and working it in certainly was I think a great tip of the cap and and it it wasn't like they went out of the way. Yeah to force-feed it. That's the thing that I loved so much about it is like At first I'm going what just at work. Oh well for me, I loved it. And then it becomes part of the plot with the fashion Montage that we have later well and plus montages plus plus that's the way she's able to get game. You know, she trades on her Fame, you know, which never works for me it conventions. I'm just saying it's like, you know I go over and try to get the Madara Uchiha doll. Nigga. I'm the voice nigga. That's nice. Yeah, but it's not based on me. So that's why pigeon has even more of a celebrity because it's based on Pidge. I have like, I'm the real thing. Yeah, I know they're about Beck's doing that voice. Like did they put a filter on their voice or are they just able to pull? You know, that's one of those things that because you know, I don't I don't see the show. I don't see the script so I didn't know so I'm just watching this and finding out myself. I'm like Waiting for our raincheck lunch date, which is long overdue so that but this time now I can ask that question. You know, it's like was that you know was that was that a stunt voice? You know, is that something you'd been working on for a while and said hey, let me show you what I could do is just that's that's just that's a mystery for me. I wouldn't be surprised if it was them to be honest. Like I would not be at all surprised to find out that that was one of their top. Alan oh, yeah, I can sound like every incarnation of pitch ever. That's my superhero origin story because OG page has you know, every you know, it's definitely a product of its time and I don't want to rag on any of the voice acting because it was so different dubbing anime back then it's like it was a completely different process and so like I don't want to rag on it's not it's not about the process but it's a matter of style. You know, it's like it's like, you know all of a sudden taking, you know, Being from Step Brothers and putting it in the middle of terms from terms from Lulu Terms of Endearment terms of in Congress, you know, it's like right but if you somehow edit it, so it's on the TV in the background. Okay. Now we're that's something that could be watched. But as far as you know, it's just the different. It's the different style because I think there are still there still anime that has that same kind of feel to it. I've liked my being drunk. Yeah, exactly, you know, but that's that's I mean, but then again, they're standard animation that's like that that's that's the beauty of of art. Yes, is that and storytelling is that you can mix it up that way? We're not we're not in a genre right now, even though there's hyper realistic acting in a lot of Animation. It's not everything and we still have Goofy and we still have silly you know, and so I agree so I could I don't know. That it was a product of its era as much as just that was the style in the moment. It was it was just God has done a podcast. Oh, no. Hey just keep the camera on me for an hour. I mean they will but like yeah, it's definitely part of the style and the original cast was also so small that much like you guys often double up on voices. And now we can also talk about how much fun was that Honda commercial with the original voices? What we'd have you not seen this know you and you ever heard of it. No people not like heavy internet. You know my God. I mean that's true wheat verse I'm disappointed in. You know, they did they did it. They've been doing these these Honda commercials where they bring back. Classic toys. Oh my God, and they have the original Voltron. They have the original vote because you know, it's, you know defender of the universe' Voltron and they brought back the original cast and did the commercial and he got to look this up commenting in the little thing even though everyone's like what what what have you had failed me we want ours mouth. I'm calling you held on I saw that on my Instagram feed and I screamed and you didn't share. With us, hold on so their wedding you or their wedding me you wait, so they're wanting me like it doesn't exist or what are you for not seeing it. They're doing the same thing. We are are you kidding? Somebody go to the internet right now and take a look at this in at least confirm that I didn't have a seizure in Imagine This a few people in Chad saying, oh I've seen this one lotor's mouth said that they saw it on on their Instagram feed and just stared at By the Light by the way horse mouth. Why didn't you send? That by the way, shout out to AJ because one of the funniest things that he said all weekend long or anybody said all weekend long was, you know, somebody asked about have you seen these accounts which are dedicated to characters and of course, you know, there's no zarkon whatever but but AJ said, yes, and I'd like to shout out to all of my body parts taken out of context. That's kind of weird actually taken in context. That's kind of Weird everyone who says they found it put it in the hashtag, please and I can't believe I forgot to do this at the top of the show. We have the live chat. Obviously, we have the hashtag TV Voltron and we're only talking about the first two episodes because I guess there are people in chat who have only seen the first two episodes so far. Oh my God how yeah, I'm surprised to talk about the Star Trek Voyager Crossover at the end of the season. Yeah. We're waiting for that. Yes you into mucho. Yeah. So for those of you who have links you can't put links in the YouTube chat, unless you are the moderator throw him in the hashtag and we can all have it because the hash tag is forever, but the chat goes away. I'm also really disappointed that nobody told me I'm so sad. I know that when they did the Ninja Turtles they did the original Ninja Turtles as well. So cool. How have I not done Transformers? Like rights. It's a common Universal just being obstinate and I suppose maybe legit and also they have a Paramount. Maybe I don't think you're I don't know. I think you're just borrowing for the theme park. Yeah, you know just kind of like Universal doesn't own Harry Potter, but if you want to go to Harry Potter land you go to Universal. This is Harold Paramount's a different Studio. Not not under the NBC Universal. Ella as far as I know. Yeah, welcome to EB T v-- Voltron where we discuss copyrighted theme parks. I'm copyright podcast. Yes. Oh my God. I do love that. They integrated this. I do love honks, like for sentenced 10-second for sentence 10 second review about the similarities and differences and how it's it's fun. It's really different and they did this thing really differently, but it's still fun and I'm like you are the best Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. We do things differently. We can still enjoy them and speaking of hunk wasn't it? Nice and launch date to see some family. Here's all our family recipes. And here's the lemon cake like, oh, yeah. I'm so glad you were able to rescue your family and everyone was okay that could have been really bad that was such a like emotionally devastating aspect of the last season was just seeing honking this very day. Ark trying place and yeah to to bring it back around and you know, it all turned out. Okay, that's well because he had a very very tough Australian Commando there to lead the raid and help out. That mysterious man. I got it will talk about you episode too long. Yup. Sorry people ask this weekend about our favorite other characters, you know, and so like a came up and we were two people were talking about. You know, what have what have you learned? What did you learn from your characters? How did you grow and it's like that comes over to me is like, what did I learn from putting somebody who just totally evil, you know, and I went of course I said something horrible, you know, so Friends and Influence know. No, I said it was a Biblical lesson. No slaying of the firstborn and that's a joke. It's a joke people. It's a joke, I'm kidding. And so and so because I'm with two of the most positive wonderful people in the world Kimberly Brooks and Josh Keaton who are like always be positive because I mean, there's so many great things to learn from a Laura and Shiro about overcoming adversity and and sticking to Two to your beliefs and and those are valuable lessons and thank goodness that we had such strong characters to give us those lessons. And so I just go. So what I really learned was from Lika always remain positive. Erin and Chad says don't do quintessence kids exactly three drugs. Don't be a zombie don't listen to peer pressure, especially when you know, it's wrong, you know, if I had my druthers I would say, you know on occasion some good music has been written under certain influences, but nothing good has happened from dabbling and quintessence people. Please just say no no good can come from it. It I need that zarkon PSA and then having it end and like that little star. Yeah, exactly the black lion that from more, you know, and that problem would be gone forever. Absolutely. It always gets nice and dark when I come in here, doesn't it? It's nice and dark regardless of who's in here because I'm here I take it there. Okay. That's why breaking Alexis is a Trope in this show. We love you Alexis. We love you. We miss you. You're probably not watching right now because that's why about the let's talk about the the mall the another Mall trip another this time actual shopping because in space Mall people don't really shop. Yeah, they just get a knife fights and run from security and make food and get free cows. Find video game systems that they don't have the right adapters for now. Will that keep? Well that game work on that system do we ever find that out doesn't matter. They don't have the game anymore. I would hope that they had the system for it. I mean it was someone I have not kids pitch could rig something. Oh, absolutely Pidge and razavi. One of them had it towed. Razavi is my new favorite. Like I liked her last season and this season, it's just like can she be in every episode she is my queen I love her so much spin-offs people resolve e and light leif's daughter. Yeah II no idea if I'm pronouncing that right, but both of them added to this mix because Rimmel is always so much fun to I'm Ellen hunk are the best wingman in this episode. Yeah not have happened if it weren't for Rimmel and hunk working together. Well romance is stirred is by having You know Carrie Fisher push from one side and whoever Tom Hanks had on his side and I don't remember. I have no idea what we're talking about right now. We know that's how you know is that Sleepless in Seattle one minute. I've never seen it from beginning to end. Oh, no, I'm squeezing it for Lending at the airport to the end. I'm sure we have something else. Used to be on a shirt as adds the add zarkon against drug-dealing quintet nosy aqd that's harder to be exact. Is that because this height that doesn't sound like a word in goal rather like a collar a general. I think that's going to be the next week should be gackt. I guess Goron's against quintessence couldn't couldn't quintessence distribution contestants abuse contestants abuse that yeah do it. In the Dare font. Yeah car right there. I've already made QA. There you go. I've already made the repet. Sorry shirt. I need to put this one on. Well, there's this weekend was a whole lot of Rapid a can Amaze. Oh, yeah. I see the pictures looked amazing. We had a good time. You know, you get you get enough of us together and it's like, oh my gosh Run free enough of you guys is like to I think no I think is gonna be a Triad or better. You know. Yeah, that's true. You have to outweigh the good decisions with the bad decisions. Thank you because of its to then it's like you get to loggerheads and just you know kind of stay but we have the commercial in the hashtag. Yeah for people to watch it. As soon as the show's over of commercials. We do have this great little shopping and fashion montage and I love these ridiculous outfits that alert our winds up in and that one of them is Rog outfit that made me really happy. It's fun. I loved the trommel's was basically. Ooh, this looks shiny wear it because there but for the grace of God go I wonder where she had a Croc on one foot that that particular outfit made me just just the one Croc made me really angry. The rest of the outfit was a door. What's that Rimmel? Yeah. Yeah. There you go. There were probably only one Croc available the That they found a matching good condition outfit and jewelry at all after the mostly apocalypse is amazing. Well, but I mean doesn't that make sense to wear something sparkly when you can finally the sun's finally out and you can finally enjoy life again. I think it's more to the point that it wasn't completely wrecked. Well, there's that someone in chat says, what are those like? Okay. Yep. We're never gonna let that Meme die. Yeah. Yeah, but no there's just sacrificing the video game so that a Laura could have this outfit was really sweet. It was both heartbreaking and sweet because on the one hand it was both razavi and Pidge sacrifice. Yeah for Laura and Lance and I'm going to put this in terrible terrible context for a lot of you Kingdom Hearts 3 drops in a couple of weeks. Imagine looking forward to that for ten years and never Getting to play it having it in your hands and knowing that you will never have the time to play it. That's what just played out here. There you go. I have human eyes that for you and made myself very sad on an unrelated note. You know, I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm going to slightly disagree because I think you know on a slightly serious note when you survived an apocalypse when you've survived, you know, almost being destroyed your planet. Yourself your family or friends whatever and you've got the opportunity to make a friend happy, you know as opposed to play a game. I mean, I can actually see that Pidge making that selfless maneuver and being totally okay with it, you know, so yeah, maybe it's Kingdom Hearts 3, but imagine that you spent the last of the ten intervening years in solitary confinement, you know, so then maybe you sit there and go. Oh, I was hoping to play the game. Mm, but I'm just glad to be outside and seeing the sunshine again. So if that's the cost all right, or you know you get back and you see or your little brother or little sister and it's a chance to make them happy so that to me was another one of those very Pidge like selfless Maneuvers where it's like I said, So if I give this up, it'll make you happy. Okay, that's just that's another one of those reasons. We adore Pidge there wasn't having a whole lot of hesitation. It looks like here you go. Yep. Yep, and if you and if you consider how freaking happy they were when they saw it as like, oh my God, then then you really come to understand and value. You know, what uh, wait Paige doing that. Is it really that different from what Lance said to her? No, wait. Yeah, it's just it's showing how you care through actions to even even the even the fact that pitch was out there shopping with them at all as Colleen points out, you know pitch doesn't like shit could have been just getting grounded anymore. There's obvious. My queen Colleen is my hero. Oh my God, she's amazing. Why is that because she sitting Able human being and she I think keeps that family together. Okay, like she is the one that makes sure that all of the i's are dotted and the t's are crossed and you can kind of see this like, you've got the guys in the family who their the sciency types they went off into space and they had to learn to be rough and tumble and then you have also got themselves into a precarious situations from which they needed to be rescued and you have the women who were like, all right cracks Knuckles cracks. Neck, let's go and then things get done. That's the Crux of it as you see where we're pigs. Got it. Oh, yeah, but but certainly you know, and she when she's yelling at Pidge but I don't care that you save them. You didn't have my permission. I wrote that entire quote down while we were watching it and it's like a three-line quote and I wish my Google Drive would load so I could read it off because like you were on the live chat too long. I thought you didn't need me anymore. Although we are gonna have to cover the rest of the episode fairly quickly because Can't see the timer. Can you help me with that? But I know that we are going to start running out of time. No, no and we haven't even talked about there we go. She's grounded. She's grounded because apparently my daughter thinks that running away from home and gallivanting off into space without her mother's permission is an acceptable activity for a 15 year old and then pidgeon's back. You know that I hello I saved dad and math. That doesn't count for anything. Yeah, exactly. And she basically says you're right. It doesn't count. I love the terrifying double voices that we wind up with for both of them. It's just it's a thing of Wonder and glory and I absolutely adore it. The whole family is the best family goals. So I guess we should like speed through the rest. All right, I'll shut up and let you talk about the rest of you know, talk about the rest of the episode with us. All I do is interrupt inside track. It's okay if it's not fun. Special blast that we we have a moment with Keith and Lance having a conversation and watching the sunset Atop The Black Lion and I think both times I sat there and yelled. When did you get to be such a good leader? Because he did it's it's you see Keith from the beginning of the series and then you see how far we've come and for me it's encapsulated in this moment with this conversation with Lance and the same with Lance we've gone from lover. Boy tries way too hard at everything creates a rivalry in his head Lance to my God. He's in the adults. They're both adults what happened and it's been beautiful character development on both their parts notice the difference in Jeremy's voice. Did you did you notice how land says grown up from season one to season 8 it's a lot less bravado. Oh, yes. The tone is much more in control. You know, it was it was one of those subtle things, you know, it's kind of like the exact opposite of what I was doing was zarkon, you know, the further you get into the series, you know, the first season is very much under control and everything's right there and then toward the end. It's a lot more emotional and everything's got to be done now. And it's a lot more. You know, he's he the cracks are starting to happen. Whereas with Lance the cracks have been filled in you know, and and also when you add on top of not only his successes with with, you know team Voltron, but you know, the, you know being reunited with his family having having is his siblings tease him and him Not even noticing not even really caring, you know, because it's gotten so much ribbing from yeah, welcome everyone else and he survived so much. You know that there's that there's that there's this maturity. I think if you go back into season one and kind of take a look and think of Lance going on a date with this older woman, you know. Well, she's like 10,000 Now we get to this point. You're like, yeah and Anna makes NM and it makes a lot more sense and it and it's and it's workable. It's doable. It's possible because of who he has grown into you know, I mean, they all they all had such incredible Arc some of which were a little bit more subtle in moments than others, you know, which again I think goes back to a re-watch, you know, as you can go ahead and see the All changes in hunk from 1 to 8. You know, I think I think honks development is a lot more subtle if you really is but and of course, he's my favorite. So I paid a little bit more attention to the to the round fellow who enjoys the food. We are not in any capacity bias towards our favorites. I say as someone who named this all after and insisted that everyone dressed a color like yeah, we're not There is not but this and this turns into this wonderful date. He brings her home to meet the family. We get these really nice conversations and just you know stories from when their kids and Lance must really like you he's never brought a girl home before the whole ladies man thing is just bravado. But under that he's a really good guy and it's like yes, and we got to see all that develop over these past few seasons well and just the artwork when they're walking in the park and my God, yes. The wildlife gets restored back to life. It's just a beautiful. It's just a beautifully composed moment and then bees are just showing up and taking the picture like following them. Are you date crashing? These are what the hell? I mean, my knee-jerk reaction was never say I love you on a first date. Don't do that. Don't pull a How I Met Your Mother but but that being said they've they fought alongside each. All right, I mean the big yeah, it's it's one of those. One of those things it is a first date but it's not. Yeah, you know and that's that's actually one of the reasons why I think the title launch date works really well because it wasn't their first date. It was their launch date. It was it was where they where they went somewhere else. You know, I mean if you think about what most First Dates should be like we're going to leave me. My social life alone, but I know yeah, right and they've been doing that. So that part of the first date. I mean how many how many First Dates do you really bring someone home to bring in to meet your family? However, when you spend years with somebody that's a different story and yeah, there are millions of stories of friendship. Which turns out I swear. Yeah, you know and so okay. We're shifting somewhere else. I mean quite frankly. If it wasn't a date Lance probably still would have brought her to meet his family. Yeah, you know because she's been such an important part of his life. I mean, she's one of the two main influences that has changed his life so much that has accelerated his maturity his his growth his development as as as a person as a man as a hero as a member of society, you know, it's basically all in mostly influenced from a Laura and Voltron and then of course from The other members of Voltron but the two main factors to me or Voltron and Alaura. Yeah, and he's become the right arm of Ultron. He has settled very well into that role and that's not something he would have been at all prepared for at the beginning of the series. But at this point after this development after this many years in space. Yeah, absolutely. So just we did goodbye Lance she teaches by example all the time and yeah after spending so so much time together, there's no way that wouldn't rub off on him or affect him in any way and we can't move forward without talking about Kranz road. I was gonna say speaking of moving forward. We have a lot to talk about but the mother most interesting man in the Galaxy not only the gorgeous man, but the most interesting man in the Galaxy, where did he get that portrait of him in Alpha, where did that come from? I just love how the voice changed it was. Oh you're talking about the the changes. delivery the way he's delivered those lines was just so spot on well because he was playing all the different levels of qurans concern and devotion not only to a local to a Laura but also doll for you know, I mean, he's got a dedication to the family to do things the right way and regardless of his own personal admiration for any one of the team members, you know, he's you know, he's been all taking a lot longer than he's been a member of of Team Voltron and certainly he's served that household for longer than he's been a member and so that's his Natural Instinct as I don't care how much I like you approve of you. This is the way it's this way. It's done young man. You have you have to you have to make it through the job application process. Where are your notarized references righto college applications? Oh God. Yeah, we do need to get the ball rolling again. I can't see the timer on your screen that tells us where to how to breathe is blank right now. So we're just running blind blind. It's gonna be great. Yeah what we have to touch on Luca before we move on to this next episode. We have to touch on this altay and that I thought was a battery for the suit and I guess is an actual pilot and she is not in any capacity happy to be here. No, yeah. Yeah, the fact that when when we actually get a scene with her she immediately calls Rimmel a traitor and then as she you see the levels of her fanaticism very very quickly. And so like seeing that it's very unsettling and then seeing how it escalates to the point where apparently owner of adjust has like a kill switch that she can flip when somebody starts getting a little too chatty. It's like the cyanide tooth but someone else crunches it for you. She's it. It's one of the darker like for such a liar belko experiment. Yeah. Yeah. Oh my now that we just blown out the audio levels. Sorry, but yeah. All right. I am just too much. I'm a pop culture Storehouse. Sorry, but yeah, there's a little blank hearted fun. Sweet episode You Gotta Throw a little bit of darkness in their don't remind everybody of the stakes. Well, yeah, it's like how it's like I was saying about the over the weekend about the bottle episodes. There are none really because there's always something which is going to tie you back into the greater tail, and that's certainly that moment that we can't just this can't just be about this date and it can't just be about we're about to leave Earth and go on this, you know, and this important Mission, you know, we also need to be reminded that there is a dark force out there. That's Going to be cranking out some people. Yep. 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So yeah, leave your reviews leave your comment subscribe all of those wonderful things. Yes. That is how you keep the show going. Let's let's talk about Eat Pray Love. Let's talk about the aptly named Shadows Shadows with as much time as we have because this episode is nothing but time honestly, we got a whole bunch of the varied. Our back past and we got a whole bunch of the recent past y'all. I really liked how the episode played around with time. It would it would go back to when she was her nerva and then it would jump ahead to when she's you know, dismantling the gallery Empire. It would go back and forth. It was really cool. Seeing that initial happy optimism of when they're expecting parents and then contrasting that with the Empire's in you know in rubble basically and then you know going back to when they first awoke after they both died and like that was that was a rough that was rough. But at the same time you all of the pieces fall into place and you know exactly why these people have treated each other the way they have your much better ideas your and I love the I love the changes that we saw between the two because Owner of a who is this incredibly driven woman to her own detriment and death because completely loses her memory is completely loses herself. Whereas R Khan who has shown to be a Kinder ruler almost takes that on takes on that driven D personified it's terrifying and I love it. And I love you can see well, I mean if you think about when they're talking about naming the child and she talks about ask Scholar and he talks about a benevolent conqueror. Mmm. Okay, he's not talking about a benevolent ruler. He's talking about somebody who conquered but was still kind of nice about conquering territory that good to you. And I think some of that was was was still there, you know with with with zarkon. He just didn't have time for the other stuff. You know, it was just one of these You do what I tell you to do everything we good. Everything be fine. We'll keep the water flowing, you know well and we also saw that it went from two very excited prospective parents to someone who was traumatized by childbirth and someone who wants nothing to do with neither one of neither one of them wanted him, you know, and when he arrived because they had both been changed so drastically, you know, we never even really got a reason he just said take Take him away take him away. I don't want to see him. I don't want to see him. I don't want to deal with him, you know is is is is that because somewhere inside zarkon it created too much, you know subconscious pain because it was a link to something that was no longer there. Was it a matter of this is something I don't have time for because I'm driven and this is all that matters is running this Empire. You don't know we just know he wanted nothing to do with this situation it Possible that that part of him died and did not come back. Do you think it was a conscious decision that he made when he realized how nerva didn't remember who he was? No, because I think as he asked don't you remember your Emperor? He didn't say don't you remember your husband? That's true. Don't you? Remember me? He said don't remember Emperor, you know, by the way internet you told me that I was in Red Dead Redemption to and I'm really happy that you did but nobody told me I had a scene with myself in this episode. I mean I did I did I did record it, you know, but I guess I forgot in the intervening time and I'm listening on. I don't hear myself that often but I'm thinking that sounds like me. Yeah, I was the guy who said this. Hey hog, are you? Okay? All right. I like that, you know, so I'm both ends of that name, I guess so. Seen twice that it completely slipped by me. Well, I think the thing that got me is like all the other stuff that I've done, you know, I do something to adjust my voice and that was that was that was just me reap nice and normal and that's what and that's why I'm going to people don't hear my regular voice enough where they were they were they can't even recognize that I mean they say hi. I hear Madara Uchiha in that right here or right here Dominus call. I hear all of the other things. Things you've ever played. What are you sound like a person? Yeah. Well confusing. Yeah, but was you know, even though he was going through rough time wasn't wasn't little lotor adorable. He was he's a cat person. I can appreciate that which I think was probably the main reason that zarkon didn't like him. Ha ha ha zarkon's of zarkon's a dog guy. Pretty sure I'm pretty sure my little lion was before. Okay. Okay, like all cats. So dying turns you into a dog person. I don't think it was a diner they give me well, I'm not gonna blame quintessence for me for me. Loving Buster. Okay, so let's not go there good good boy. Let's not let's not dwell therein. double I'm being a nerd but yeah, I mean, we certainly saw that we certainly saw that and that there was there was a not so much about the cats but the affection for a pet for a for a quote-unquote lesser being shall we say kind of really telling too is like they didn't make a big deal about it in the episode itself, but uh nerva killed that cat she wants it from if you put it on the thing she gets flashes of where's where lotor Is currently at checking his social media in the void and then we cut to a wider shot and that cat is gone as is the flame from the crawls. They're all like, oh goodness. That is that that cat live for ten thousand years. And then that's a bummer you'll improve how much and then it ran away and continue to live a happy life and found a new forever. Sure that cats live in somewhere and an asteroid field just gone. So people were hoarding. That was a trip. I'm much better off on this rock out in the middle of nowhere somewhere somewhere in my fanfic. That's the cat who was actually in the movie Cat from outer space back in the 70s. Yeah, Dean Jones. I did want to point out for bitty lotor of the the scene. With naming the cat starts with zarkon talking down to him and you may be the prince but I'm your Emperor and you'll do what I say and then he turns around and uses that exact line on Earth are like, oh, yeah. I know. He's still learning. It's not great lessons, but he's learning. I think it's good lessons. She's not putting the right way. You know, it's like saying look you may be the branch manager, but I'm the district manager. No, it's like fair enough. Got it. Well what I was really surprised by with all of these flashback sequences where this sadly, you know family that's together, you know, without really fully knowing that there are family for some people but like what I was really surprised by was that lotor was telling 100% the truth when he talked about that planet that got destroyed. I was kind of expecting that we get some reveal about how he Was hiding a little bit more nefarious intent or that he wasn't telling the full story when he related to a Laura but not that's exactly what happened. And it's just as tragic as it sounds and I love that. They like we're going to keep you alive long enough for you to see this and then we're going to Exile you. It's like one of those things where you going to destroy the entire Village, but you leave one child, like know that child is gonna come back and exact Revenge. Why would you okay? That's just zarkon's ways. Thank you. Let go of the game of own spoilers, please everything though. Okay good point but like that's just zarkon's way of saying you're grounded go to your room, right? Pretty much. I mean, it's like look your Colony would have been fine. If you just would have done what you were told to do. And now I'm going to show you the price of your insolence. No, I mean, but but realistically, you know most You know most people who are leading who are in charge of a team, they'll accept punishment stored themselves and not necessarily learn or grow. But if you punish the team, you know, it's not it's like going, you know do it do it do what you want to me, but leave the girl alone, you know, the old line which of course was changed to do whatever you want to the girl, but leave me alone as a comedian back in the 70s. So stop with your complaining. But but seriously, that's that's you can't you he couldn't teach lotor that lesson and I frankly think that it was a lesson that was intended to make him a better Emperor, you know to mold him or not necessarily better but better and zarkon's eyes, you know, this is how we do things better. Yeah, right, you know, so it's like you disobeyed me you went your own direction if I continue to let Do this, you know before I know there's going to be an uprising because you're going to you're going to you're going to go from a planet to a solar system to a Galaxy and then I'm going to have to really deal with you, you know, and I don't want to do that. So I'm going to make these people who you care about pay the price for your disrespect for you're breaking the rules and you know, I mean that's That's that's when you want to get your point across to somebody leads a team. That's how you do it. And you know, it's the old it's the old if we don't have somebody we don't have somebody admit their guilt. Everybody's doing push-ups. Yeah. Everyone is Spartacus, right? I feel like it regardless that conversation probably would have gone better. If lotor hadn't pushed the mom button like that went from a check in on the status of this planet to a full-on family argument and that's when it gets He didn't because you're not going through the proper chain of command you're not doing things the right way, you are trying to you know, you're trying to short-circuit the situation by bringing somebody else in who you think is going to make me change my mind and let me show you how much I'm not going to change my mind. Let me show you not I mean and yeah, I agree with you that maybe he would have gone fanos God. I'm just gonna kill one out of every two. But then he had to go and do and and and challenge even further and it's like I've got a quash this now before this spark becomes a flame. yeah, I know and you know, it's it it's harsh and we certainly is as fans and his people who like to see the right thing happen that hurts but if you did, but if you divorce but if you divorce yourself from the emotion of it and just You understand why he did it you completely understand why he did it and it's not zarkon's fault. It's lotor. What about those people, you know heat of heat of at least stayed a little closer to what he was supposed to. Do, you know, it's like, you know, try taking an inch before you take Mile, well, that's why like when you rule through fear, it's so fragile. Once that illusion, you know or in some cases in some cases illusion of power, you know is once that's challenge. Well, it's nothing. Yes technically all power is an illusion. That's true. Yeah, you know, I mean if you if you're that look there's stories of the the indomitable Spirit of mankind and in someone being in, you know, I mean Nelson Mandela for Crying out loud. There you go. Nelson. Mandela didn't break, even though he had the entire, you know nation of South Africa against him and he was in solitary confinement for so long that power never touched him it put him somewhere physically, but he never bought into it. And so it never broken all power is an illusion, you know, except for just the down. Physical blowing up the Death Star was just an illusion to the people and alderon all these include Cruisers all in losery. But yet at a certain point did that get them to give up the plans? Did they turn around and go oops? I better go ahead and give you what you want. Now that you blew up a planet. So at a certain point because they're trying to trying to make a point and that point was not made that point was not taken into account. So even then even then the the power is Just an Illusion, you know, there's the physical aspects and then there were human Spirit rises above it and says, you know, I will not be denied and you can keep you Keep punching me and you can keep punching my friends, but we're going to keep moving forward and even that illusion of that power eventually fell to the scrappy Rebellion. Absolutely the scrappy Rebellion the power of Hope the power of a team, you know, the power of positivity of wanting something better for others rather than just, ourselves and this is why the power of friendship is such a well-known Trope and kind of what the show runs on absolutely absolutely because even even in the darkest moments they turn to each other and that's that's what happened in the season 1 when they finally were able to form Voltron is they turned toward each other, you know, and that's any think this was just kind of another way of Of setting that up of saying, you know, it's always darkest before the dawn, you know, or as I like to say, sometimes it's always darkest before it gets darker the light at the end. I feel like you've summed up this season is summing up we are officially at a time. Okay mostly now. You got just a little bit more like honor of a here. I'm going to take this colony of all Tans and I'm going to sway them very easily to my side because my son is still alive. What's for our audio listeners. There were scare quotes around that he's alive. He's shredding your Schrodinger's Emperor. Okay trout or there you go. He's only dead. Open up the box and confirm that he's dead. I mean we can't go into spoiler territory spawn Schrodinger's cat. Yeah. Get rid of the cat. Yeah, so deep with the cat. Yeah, we have a centrally turn this entire colony of all Tans against Voltron be like, yeah, we picked them up. Well, what about the other colony Voltron got them? They're not super dead because I don't know their location or anything what you will about her nerva, but she dots her eyes and Crosses her teeth. She can yes, and The best of them took them all to oriya because I guess all of them were worthy and the guardian had nothing to say while she was melting down statues and making it an industrial Wasteland and just like breaking Eldorado what one of the joys of season eight for me was really getting to enjoy Creed. Just letting it rip a little bit. Oh, yeah. Some good stuff. And as you folks will see when you get to the future episodes. There's like there's some good stuff this season. It's pretty wild but yeah, we have desecrated or around as it were made some war machines and get the most faithful Among Us put a kill switch in her head and then send her up to go get full trod. Like Mike's she's got a cult of personality going. Mmm-hmm. I mean lotor started it and Just picked it up and sprinted well and like it's just so cool. Because in a mat in a very short amount of time she knocks out all of their remaining large players in the Gullah Empire. She wipes them out. And then yeah takes this Colony for herself. So she's not messing around. She basically just blows It Up From the Inside Out. Hey, here's your leadership choosing thing that's been going on for thousands and thousands of years. Um, I've killed her archivist and destroyed. All of your everything by yikes. Because we're supposed to be wrapping up conversation somewhere where it's going to get going again. Yeah on our way is someone to be reckoned with and we have a nice little episode about getting things going again and being hopeful in the we have an episode about here's what you missed on Glee awful awful things, you know, you know every now and then a special To this episode. It kind of makes you it can make you think or make you wonder whether whether that was her sort of initial hope when she was looking into the quintessence, you know was domination world domination shorthand, right Universal domination and would this lead with this lead to you know, hey, I mean some people believe that peace is achieved by everybody just going home and some people believe that peace is achieved by having a very powerful. Powerful person in charge and telling everybody what to do. It's you know, and and was I mean was there the devil on her shoulder steering her in that direction? It's entirely possible that if things had not gone down the way they did. Huh nervo would have been like the head of an ALT a in Empire like we had in that one multiverses. We saw that a you. Yeah my mouth messed up so it yeah, huh nervous could have been that day. Tater yeah grits like peace through Force. Well, we're gonna have some super fun stuff to talk about in the coming weeks. 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 Megan Salinas and Katie Cullen with special guest Neil Kaplan break down Voltron Legendary Defender Season 8 episodes 1 and 2 "Launch Date" and "Shadows" in which The Paladins spend one last night on Earth in preparation for the launch of the Atlas; Lance works up the courage to ask Allura an important question; and Flashbacks shine a light on Honerva's past with Lotor and Zarkon, revealing the motivation for her recent actions. The Voltron After Show: Join the robotic lions in this intergalactic war against the Galra Empire by listening to the various recaps, reviews and in-depth analysis and discussion on each episode of the series. Not only will we break down the episodes though, we’ll also deliver all the latest news surrounding the show and have cast and crew join us. It’s the VOLTRON LEGENDARY DEFENDER AFTER SHOW! Show Summary: Voltron: Legendary Defender is an animated web television series produced by American companies DreamWorks Animation and World Events Productions and animated by South Korean Studio Mir. It is a reboot of both the Beast King GoLion anime series and the Voltron franchise, and its animation is a mix of anime-influenced traditional animation for characters and background and CGI for Voltron action sequences. Voltron: Legendary Defender is set in a science fiction universe where planetary energy called "quintessence" can be used to power vehicles and magic. The series follows the adventures of the Paladins of Voltron who must learn to work together to form the giant robot Voltron and use it to defeat the evil Galra Empire.

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I don't think I get to watch the Jets much and now the Jets we all know are laughingstock. I mean they have been for a long time quarterback got mono. That's tough. I mean that's just you get an adolescent disease to start the season. I mean it is difficult to take Serious, especially when this year is Two beer, they pay Levi on bail All the Monies after he sat out a year and then they fired the GM after he spends All the Monies make Adam gase not only head coach, but also GM bring another gym I get it, but then that running back gets the flu since out of game goes and bowls 250 what I mean, there's a lot of things to judge the Jets on they've looked pretty good here this evening. I mean aside from a pick. At the end of the half of their that I just seen deep in the Red Zone by Sam darkness, which was just an absolutely disgusting decision by him. I think Sam Darkness a lot better than I gave him credit for I'm not sure Adam gase deserves more credit than we give him. But I think Sam Donald's better than that. I give him credit. He's like 15 years old too. I mean it got model. You have to be young to get that Le'Veon Bell Troy Aikman was kind of bearing a little bit. He's like, it doesn't think he's trying as hard as he should be. I don't know if that's the case but let him belt is Not in a situation where he's happier than when he was a Steelers. I mean was that Steelers you're trying to get the baby big paycheck? He set out an entire year drop a couple rap songs. It's paid it's a lot different world when you're sitting on yachts and jets Keys wrapping them whenever you get your ass kicked for a team in the biggest city in the world, and they're not not the world. I guess there's larger cities but in America and you're just getting beat I mean, it's tough, but they look better than I thought they were going to look and this Ravens team Lamar Jackson so much fun to watch. I mean, he broke Michael Vick's single-season rushing record for quarterback, which I would assume I was too young at the time I think but I Everybody on Earth thought that was never going to get touched and we still have games left to play students. Unbelievable. He got popped on a record breaker one though, which I think everybody's scared of like hey pal, you're the most dynamic football player on earth right now. It'd be awesome for you not to get hit or hurt and hit so try to be a little bit more safe. I assume a lot of Ravens fans are thinking that but dudes a player man. He's so good in Mark Ingram doesn't get enough credit either. I know he's big hype man big tries, but I think he really sets that the whole thing off because you got to respect the running for that for the option to work and then he's big old tight ends. He's big body guys Hearst. The tight end with the long hair in the red the red mustache might be a full beer bully. His helmet on just looks like mustache. I wish I could grow good mustache. But that dude, I guess he got drafted to play in the majors for baseball and I terms like 90-something and he somehow got the hips. He just couldn't throw a fucking strike. Imagine how upsetting that would be if you had a rocket launcher attached to your to your right shoulder left shoulder. You could throw in the high 90s in your brain and hand just can't get on the same fucking page enough to throw a strike like he couldn't throw a strike. the entire box was just an Untouchable place for him got The Yips. So instead he becomes a super star tight end for Lamar Jackson one of his biggest weapons good for Baltimore go for the Ravens, but I would assume that that guy's been through some things mentally to get him into a very mentally tough stage right now. I couldn't even fathom how upset I would be at myself. I mean granted I had a very strong leg and I had no idea where the ball was going and I was kicking field goals there for a bit. But every once in a while get one just to sneak in. I was told by tashman or baseball that guy just couldn't throw It's a be upsetting. Your whole life you got this hose of an arm, you're really good to get drafted and all of a sudden just happened. You can't throw me one. But you know what they would say, this is what people would say that a religious God had a plan for this man. God had a plan when God closes one door another door opens and whenever they say that you always say like a bullshit but it seems like this guy maybe that is what happened. You know, whatever God you believe in Buddha is the oldest one Sue. I mean he has to be in the conversation anytime you talk about God the old gold is God is God. That should be talked about it for your talk about God's Buddha Jesus. God Allah, Austin Collie Tom Cruise that whole crew of God's if we could. Give them a little bit of credit for this hearse guy. Whichever one it was. I mean, I think we have to the universe funds away for good things to happen to people I think and I'm happy for this hearse guy hurts our Hurst let me read the back of his jersey rate and it's his hairs in a way. All those letters are in it Hearst. Good tight end good player. Great. This Ravens team seems to be like, they even struggled a little bit here tonight early and they're still going to win by probably 21 could be wrong. I could just I could just wash them. Marshtomp we shall see. Anyways, we got some good shit for you here. Okay, let's get right into it after this year after every NFL season. There's something called Black Monday where head coaches just get canned one after another coaches usually expect to come and sometimes they get blindsided. They're told they are season just wrapped up. They just went through training camp. They went through a terrible year of losses and humiliation and press conferences in the media talking bad about how Coach the football and each week they get up in front of their team trying to motivate the guys to get them to go out there and give it their best shot and then most of the time they don't which is why they're in the position that they're in and they wake up with probably a couple years and millions of dollars still guaranteed to them and they're told immediately we no longer want you a part of this franchise. You stink as a head coach, you don't deserve to be holding a clipboard. You don't deserve to be stand in front of the team. Meeting room anymore. You don't deserve to be on the sidelines and we're sick of you representing our franchise and there are five spots that ESPN is assuming is going to be wide open. One of the Marty is and they rank them from hot to cold digs. Please tell me the spots that ESPN things are a good coaching position and the places that they think are a bad potential head coach. Hey have the number one spot the hottest spot the best coaching vacancy that they think is going to be open as the Dallas Cowboys, which is interesting to me because All anybody says is if you go to the Dallas Cowboys, you're going to have to deal with you Jerry Jerry Jerry. Everybody says that if you go in there, there's zero chance of you being able to control who's on the team. And also if you don't do what Jerry Jones expects or thinks you're going to do you're on national TV every single week having to run your face into a wall basically and that is I don't know if that's actually the dream spot. Let's look at their team. Let's look at their team. They got a lot of Talent on that team so you could potentially turn that around got a lot of shine a lot of Light Dak Prescott deal still has to be done if you have a quarterback long term, but for me, I'm not sure the Dallas Cowboys are number one job out there and they said it is because the talent do they assume deck will seek decks going to be there's going to be six already signed tomorrow is going to be there and they got Vayner - and Jaylon Smith on the defensive side who are young? The old line is pretty much signed for the next few years. I think a positive is that Jerry will let you be an average coach for 10 years and not fire you something about right there. Think about it's not a family get comfortable removing dollars for the next decade doesn't Or how I do that has been prevalent in the past and to of the bottom openings here listed the Giants and Redskins are in your division true. You got terrible peep. The NFC East is terrible. If you can get a center quarterback to exchange could potentially win that NFC East that's a factual statement the number two spot. Okay Carolina Panthers, why is that they have it listed as the GM Matt her knee I guess is widely respected. I didn't know that. I think he's a pit. Super guy the owner temper was a minority owner in stealer. So you think hey, he might not to run a organization. I think he's a Pittsburgh I to I was told by somebody in the know that hey Carolina, they're only hiring Pittsburgh guys, which immediately makes me think like maybe I'm the head coach will feel calm you and car me and Bill car from crafting or tagged him and his thing as head coach. They're definitely going to have 42 million guaranteed and cap space if they let Kim go they get another 20 if they and then if Olson and Aunt Teri Polo Retire they have another 20. So they might have 80 million in cap space. They have McCaffrey DJ more Curtis. Sammy on the offensive side defense has stunk but they have Kuechly and Shaq Thompson for the next couple of years. So there's some up and down who's gonna be the quarterback. Yeah. Well, she's definitely gone a new head coach is going to bring in somebody new or they're going to ride with Kyle Allen here or will Grier was drafted very early last year or hey Carmen. I'm coming home. Let the rain wash away all the pain of yesterday. Hey Philip Rivers a potentially go back there. Good night having a yeah and I State guy Carolina Panthers. They need a quarterback. He's definitely out of the charges. They were to renegotiate that contract already. Does he still have fire in them? I would argue that I think Boy, left side down to the batteries come up. No, you're gonna no we're good. I would argue. He does have fire in him still competitive juice talks a lot of trash. Although it. Looks like he's throwing a med ball Yep. This year always have that something can work on a little bit or they go with the Young quarterback in the Christian McCaffrey continue running team. I don't know if that's the number two spot. I mean maybe Christian McCaffrey. So I guess a reason why you'd want to go do you think that's maybe because they're thinking breezes near like the the end of his tenure and that st. Steam is going to look a lot different going forward so I can actually miss Winston a Buccaneers team is only many. Yeah only getting hotter Teddy to you know, what you say about big man, Jameson and Peyton Manning when they're 25 years old had the same exact stats. That's that's what's going around the internet. Oh, yeah, who got Barrett you got very bad first thing if you're going to talk about Jamis and you want to like objectively have a discussion don't have like a Buccaneers hat and like your kid and like a buccaneer. Swansea in it. Like that's subjective. You're a big fan of Team James thinks he does. It does a bit cold. So I can't say say anything while we there's the book out that we talked about. The one that the media is bias in is ignoring the start of a whole thing football Corral and I think Ty would be Checkmate for that guy because Ty is a member of the media now, he's just burying Jameis Winston boom. There were three is the Falcons. They had one of the positives Arthur Blank. Apparently, he doesn't fire anybody and he's one of the nicer owners is I'm told Matt Ryan and Julio Jones through 2023 as well as Calvin Ridley. They've six first-round picks and offense the defense stinks and the negative they're already over the cap next year. So why would anybody wants his job? I think there's any office Mercedes-Benz stadium is beautiful awesome. Awesome level it's the sphincter stadium is beautiful. I mean, they spent 43 million dollars on a bridge to the stadium. That's how nice the entire areas. Atlanta's a great City. I guess you get to live in Atlanta a lot of things down there Waffle House. You know what? I mean? That's Coca-Cola others English Chick-fil-A lot of things are Gus's no fried chicken. I believe don't they have incredible prices in their Stadium? Yeah. You definitely want to come back 50. They're assuming that Matt Ryan's good. That's all I'm saying. I've always been I heard he's a good guy, but only because we're on the radio here in this is potentially being heard by People have never heard us before I have to preface this with saying I've heard he's an incredible guy. I've heard he's a very funny individual. But whenever we play the Atlanta Falcons in their old stadium down there. He had to throw a Hail Mary at the end with Julio Jones who was going to get the ball if he wanted to he came up 12 yards short on a Hail Mary and at that moment I said, how is that noodle arm and NFL MVP candidate and then you go on and watch the 28:3 situation happening then you keep moving forward. It's like I bet you Matt Ryan was very good at one point. Are we not at the point now where we're thinking like is Matt Ryan a very good quarterback. Is he worth you taking a job in Atlanta knowing that the defense things knowing that you're over the salary cap knowing that Julio Jones is not always happy down there. He's a weapon if he was anywhere else by the way, Julio Jones, probably it's just like what happened with Megatron up there in Detroit now granted, I would assume Atlanta would pay him if he was a retire early. I'm like, but Julio Jones is a freak a specimen a guy that you want to build a team around but I just don't know why that team would be a hot commodity for people to go to other than Atlanta having low John in a boys - yeah, what's your huge? Yeah, huge asset. Yeah Young Jeezy to also low, baby. Who else did we see big boy two chains? Skip two chains. Oh, I don't know what you want without a Cheesy without say it. I think so. All right, if pretty boys in your city, you know, I don't know. I don't know if I would want to take the Atlanta Falcons job. I agree the number four team you already mentioned on the Detroit Lions. What are we talking because they got they got they have a quarterback which is a big thing. So mad pitchers is getting fired. That's what he has. No, they said that the Ford family is not fired a coach after two years. I believe since Marty morning wig or was I think was I'd write sounds when he was like 12 and 27 those probably don't match up. Yeah, whatever foxy sounds right? You have no idea no idea. Absolutely not. I know that morning wood guy was a coaching. You might not even come. I remember him. He was barely a party morning leg was the coach there once they stunk. Well, so I mean, this is a Patricia goes but they have their quarterback. They have a stud young wide receiver and kenyala day care. They have a quarterback Matt Stafford. He's a broken freaking bag. That'll heal. Oh does it does your back does he? Oh, I don't know mine's broken right now. How old is Stafford Act My Age? 31 32 he's there until he is till 2022. So he's got three seasons. He's a bulldog though. He's a very good football player that not enough people appreciate. I think I agree. I agree because the only conversation Bottom is always like I put some good numbers, but they never win. It's like well, what do you want from your quarterback man? What else is he supposed to do like is a quarterback not supposed to put up good numbers and then they're supposed to win like I don't understand how Maddie Stafford kind of gets that bad. And I think Bleacher Report with that unbelievable moment it me or does that yeah pad stat Ford or whatever it is. It's like what the hell do you want your sorry a quarterback. That's a passing quarterback is putting up big numbers. Like what do you want the guy to do stink? So they win more? I don't know how he's clearly not the problem in Detroit if he was. I'll leave Howard Detroit Lions fans. They would literally go Owen 16 every single year if he leaves the Detroit Lions, I swear to you. I'm done with the French. What was you guys record so far this year? We've won three games see the story is he was the starting all three of them very very intelligent football coach by all accounts. Literally. Everybody's pocket sized rotten legit rockets that if you look at that Seattle Seahawks game and you hear the story behind it all he knew they were going to throw the ball like he knew it was going to happen. Everybody's like, oh the pick came out of nowhere. It's like no no big brain met Patricia was his Ticonderoga, New so he goes in there and it's just abysmal. It has been an abysmal situation now now there's a broken back on the quarterback. There's a lot of things going on can anybody go in there in window if you're another coach and you see what Matt? Has done their you assume everybody else is the Jim Caldwell had a couple winning seasons, by the way, he gets fired like the Lions fan Lions ownership has a couple winning seasons and I get him out of here get Jim called with Alec doesn't have enough personality doesn't have enough spunk. Let's bring in the big bearded smart guy that will Ticonderoga, that'll work. He hasn't won if you're a coach. Why would you want to take that job? I just don't know I guess because you have Matt Stafford, if you're a young guy, maybe not getting offers from anywhere else. I guess you go because it's a big Bayesian. But other than that, I just don't see why you'd want that gig and I don't know if they're firing that Patricia just yet. Don't I don't I don't know if they are either. I don't think so tough division top division specially weird on a Primetime Kirk Cousins is born what three weeks ago. Yeah. Yeah. He's only getting better you got Aaron Rogers Rogers is like the 16th best. Oh, so you're not really worried about that. We'll talk about that soon. That was said by a human who's paid to talk about football on television earlier today Ty he's not happy about it. I just don't know a if that position is going to be open and be if I wanted whose number five number five as a team that I think you like the Cleveland Browns. This is now this is a head coaching gig I could get behind here. This is something I wouldn't mind coaching failure is accepted failure is expected. I mean, these are things that if you fail there are like, yep, there's nothing you can do. This is organizational failure from top to bottom has been for decades now fan base is still going to show up people still love the brownies. They're still height before the season and if you do bad It's just like saying oh Brands that's just the way it will go but we've you look at that roster stay on the offense is I know who knows what's going to happen with Odell apparently odells been dabbing people up and bring him. What up, man. Good to see you. Give me the hell out of here. All right good to see you again the best congrats on the wedding. Give me the hell out of here. All right, I guess that's what happens in 2023 is is contract both they don't want to yeah, so but he's been there he's going to be there Jarvis Landry is going to be there. You got Nick Chubb Nick Chubb. And creme on creme hunts and Denzel Ward miles Garrett defense greedy Williams. We laughing about Zito. Oh nothing. Honestly, probably my computer. I try accident out. I'm gonna have a virus on my computer inside. Yeah. So anyway, it's not kick in there the terrible what happened to you on the defensive side of the ball miles Garrett's about to be neutered right? I mean, you're about to give miles Garrett who's only focusing on what working out right now. He's not allowed to be enough. Or even suspend its all he's gonna be working a working on his workout becoming quicker somehow and he was up for like defensive MVP conversation first couple weeks. Let's say he gets back in the game that defense is kind of coming together. If you can get a if you can turn around Cleveland, you will get like a 10 years seven hundred million dollar contract and if you can't it's like yeah, that's what happens. I've been told by an NFL coach and for that you have really touching the NFL until you get fired from Cleveland. That's just what happened. You haven't really coaching NFL until you've been to Cleveland and got Fired from there, but if you can be the coach at can turn it around. You're a hero for the rest of your life. It's like if you're in the WWE and you have a little bit of run you can do signings forever like a bingo halls and things you can make money for the rest of your life. If you want. If you go into Cleveland in front of that dog pound in turn that franchise around you could probably be governor of Ohio. If you would like day the next day in my eyes, that's the best job just because the expectation level the risk-reward love everything is just in your favor if you An at all and you have to win a lot. You don't have to win a lot. You win 8 games nine games and then you just show it. You're getting a little bit better after Hugh Jack City in this kitchens guy. You could potentially become king of Cleveland, which is a great City be king of they got a couple casinos over there. Here's the problem with that. It's got to be either a young guy or coach on his last leg because their GM Dorsey is a power-hungry guy doesn't like to give up a lot of power. So whoever he gets is going to be under his thumb and it's his second chance at Being a GM he was fired from Kansas City. Yeah, but no he built that roster, right? Yeah, and that's the thing. I'm ever the knock on doors is he doesn't care about anything other than getting players in there. Obviously, he was the only player only killed or only gym that would sign, you know some players and nobody else would sign right which by the way, what if Antonio Brown ends up in a Cleveland Browns Jarvis Landry Odell Beckham and Antonio Brown playing wide receiver. That's it up somehow now, of course, of course it was but if they didn't You're a hero forever. And we said this yesterday after Antonio Browns Twitter spree yesterday, not a hundred percent. Sure. He's ever going to get back in the NFL which we are all bummed about. But I think that Cleveland Browns position is the one that hears the negatives that they're saying five coaches since 2012. So he's got a quick trigger you have to live in Cleveland and I said that on ESPN the I thought I saw it on there and then you're in a division with the Ravens Lamar Jackson gonna be good for a long time. Yeah, and I'll say it Steelers. And I mean the Bangles are so good that you have to record their sideline. So people think they're going to be good. So it is a tough is Baker Joe Barbara Baker the future too. Yeah. He's going to have to be for at least another year right? How many? Oh, yeah how many years they give first overall pick three you get for with a fifth-year option about what I'm saying? Oh, I got a diamond they gave Jameson Mariota the whole four years. And by the way that Tennessee Titans team has come up out of nowhere after Benjamin. What if that happened? What who they have over there in Tyrod Taylor right huge Jackson had Tyrod Taylor. Yes, one of them start and then Baker came in a little fire on the team and then I'll this year's happened. I will say this about Baker Mayfield might be the best actor in the NFL like be hey, there's a new commercial out every single week and I must say he's good at him. I love the beach was the beep one is people are coming after him with pets because they said it's sending their dogs into a tissue Beauty soft dogs. Well, I think when I blew his duck call, I guess my oh my and all sort of losing everything that happened. Sam sent me texts, like will you stop it? Will you stop with the damn duck call? Our three-legged cat scoots you just run off the top here. Okay, so go through them again. Okay one Cowboys. So they won Cowboys to Panthers three Falcons for Lions five Browns. Yeah, that wouldn't take any of those jobs other than brown and then obviously the bad ones are they had six Jags 7 Jets 8 Giants 9 Redskins good culture the Redskins. Oh, yeah. Well Bruce Allen said that that that buffoon is Guy you'd want to work for ya. 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About yet Clinton Portis is named among 10 former NFL players charged with defrauding a Health Care Program. What does this mean? Well, essentially what they were doing is they were recruiting guys on their teams to submit false claims to the NFL like player Health reimbursement program. So they would say like they were buying like hyperbaric chambers and like x-ray machines like things that sometimes we're costing as much as like 50 to 60 thousand dollars and then they would recruit more players to basically say like hey if you file these False claims will give you Kickbacks or bribes or anything like that. Yeah. It's like it's a it's a full thing. And then so that's not to execute the plan. They were filling out like fake prescriptions and like a bunch of fake stuff too. Like, you know reinforce what they were doing by like Clinton Portis friend of the show. Yeah friend of the show here. Anytime fraud is involved in things in money is involved in things people normally go a lot harder than you would expect them to now morally. We things are wrong. Of course, but any time you try to take billionaires money, that normally is a pretty big deal and we are very much hoping that Clinton Portis can clear his name that he wasn't as far as this as much as they are say, I just read the article as well. They're saying Clinton Portis was a pretty big part of this for Clinton. Portis is saying he had no idea that this was happening. Obviously. He was not in the know. We were hoping for the sake of him being a friend of our show. He doesn't end up in jail for a long time. But this feels like something especially when billionaires are losing money and they have all their lawyers and now you got what is For a federal crime more than 10,000. Yeah to make it to upgrade it to like Lark grand larceny or something like that on a state level and it seems like they was done on more than numerous occasions way more than $10,000. This can be a real problem for these guys and this is sad to hear about to be honest. I don't like hearing ex NFL players not do good. I'm actually in the process of trying to set something up to take care of EX NFL players because of the stats that we all hear about 80% going broke within two years of retiring no matter how much Money you made because growing up you have no idea. I mean some of us when you grow up you have no concept of what money is right? Because you're just your parents are just trying to make it week-to-week trying to make the bill is trying to just keep us remortgaging the house numerous times like that type of stuff and then you're handed this gross amount of cash and they're like, all right. Now be disciplined with this money your entire life. You've looked at things that you wanted your entire life. You've seen these incredible cars and he's incredible houses in a way these people live to have a lot of money, but you need to be disciplined with your money because you don't know how long your careers. Be that's a lot easier to say than actually do as somebody that's been there done that who almost had zero dollars after my first NFL career going into my second year if that season didn't start and I didn't make that team. We've been right back in the dead and I know it's very hard to be remain disciplined with cash when you've never had cashier entire life. So a lot of NFL players obviously get into financial problems after they retire and it's a lot easier said than done to be discipline with your money, especially when there's a lot of things that are awesome out there. That you could potentially that money can give you and now it takes guys to do desperate things to find ways to get cash in a generate cash. I hope this is all false. But boy, I don't think this ends up good for the guys, especially when you're defrauding billionaires. They don't like that. I don't think from what I've been told just in the past. Do you think this like pushes back all the stuff they're trying to do for like retired players to it's like we're trying to help you guys out and you're just defrauding us on the back end so screw it. Why would we continue to do so Sat in like a commissioner Town Hall thing down to draft the day of the draft is my first time in this it was a it was Commissioner Goodell and Troy Smith were sitting in there was like a circle of chairs and then there was like a second round of circle chairs and it was supposed to be just an open conversation about things that we think the NFL should get better at and and with retired players and stuff like that and there was a lot of oh jeez, I mean Matt Slater's dad is an OG in the NFL. I think he's Super Bowl champ. He's a hall-of-famer. He was talking a lot there. Guys that were like in their seventies talking a lot about how the NFL has never really taken care of them. Right? The game was built on the backs of these old shoulder of these old players and now that there's so much money being made these guys used to work two jobs while playing the NFL now, there's so much being money being made in the nflpa is job was to take care of the retired players in the NFL is eyes, but they haven't done that right? So I just sat back. I literally just sat back and waited. You don't have insurance for the rest of your life. You only have a five years after you retire. So a lot of these guys, you know, go into big-time broken debt trying to Pop with the finances of their mental or their health issues. I mean mental issues are also happening as well and I sat back until the very end. I didn't say anything was my role to talk in. There is my first time I was invited to one of these I didn't want to say too much and at the very end I said you guys are currently in the middle of debating and CBA if the NFL was to say hey, you know, what we're going to do. We're going to put some money aside for the ex-players. We're going to put money aside so we can provide healthcare for the players that played before the currencies and they have built the the NFL into what it is. You can probably get a sponsor I'd assumed to do this at insurance companies love sponsoring things have them take care of the O G's in the NFL everybody wins. And then if you also put a little bit of money aside to maybe help out some guys that find themselves in financial ruins the NFL could get a good PR Spin and look like absolute heroes in the whole thing as opposed to relying on the nflpa who I have heard directly say well, hey, we got to get our money. They can take care of themselves. I've heard the nflpa say that too. The active roster is like because every time the nflpa would come and as you're a young player you don't really ask many questions right because you don't really know how the game goes. You think the nflpa they show you this entire video about how the NFL used to be and how it is now and thanks again flp a there like a rat's used to run around on the locker room or guys would smoke cigarettes that they had to hand roll themselves like that type of stuff and then the nflpa helped. It's like I understand the purpose of the nflpa then right and I understand the purpose of unions then but now we're at the point where the nflpa pa could take a much bigger step in taking care of retired players and as you get older in those minis you start asking like, is there any way we can set aside some money for retired players because everybody in here is going to be a retired player at some point like every human in this in this building right now is going to be retired player in the the answer that you normally get is we can take care of that at some point. Let's worry about the guys that are in the league right now and it's like well, that's not great for any of us. I mean that's good for you guys, I guess so I pitched that idea to Commissioners your Dells face. I was like, is there any way you Guys in a good PR to just take care of the retired players getting insurance company to give insurance for the rest of their lives. I mean, I think that will go a long way and I got a will take that in consideration which obviously meant go to hell but this is potentially something that you know, like could be a bad blood between retired players, which don't need in the NFL which isn't good. But if I know anything about billionaires whenever money is being taken from them or frauded from them, they are going to bring the hammer extra hard down which is not good for our Franklin Porter. As if he is doing what they're saying. He's doing right now, right? I don't love it. Anything else. They're Baker Mayfield at spoke up about the rumors about Odell Beckham jr. Yesterday. He said, I mean, there's all rumors going around, but I have had my conversations with him, and I know what we talked about. So I trust him wholeheartedly. Well, then that's all that needs to be set. By the way who is telling Jay Glazer that when Odell Beckham? Dat me up. He said get me the hell out of here. I think I have a bigger problem with that than anything Tom Tom Brady. You think Odell Beckham whenever you hand them that shoe inside the shoe. He had a note. That's probably what happened. He probably whenever he handed him that goat skin hair shoe that says obj on it to Tom Brady. There's probably a note inside. Out of the Tom Brady's kids saw because somebody probably took that to the house just kind of put it on something. You know, it's like I look at this thing and then his kid pulls out his dad. Did you see this known as and get me the hell out of here? And he's like, oh, this is hilarious takes it into the locker room somebody in the locker room. Then tells Jay Glazer that is a problem though. I have if people are taking private conversations with Odell and taking them to Jay Glazer other reports like that that a kind of a scumbag that is a scumbag move. But I guess any time. Hey a rat is a rat, I guess no matter how well I'm doing Jason LA, right? Yeah, Tom. Spends His offseason Sarah he's dead. They get chummy. Yeah, but Tom hasn't been a single slide. I'm sure they've alleged numbers. There's a video of him saying to Jimmy Garoppolo and Garoppolo responding. I know I got you. Okay, we're being joined Now by guy who's a legend in the football world. He used to run through humans at the University of Miami was a first-round draft pick for the Buffalo Bills. He played for the Ravens Broncos Browns is a pro bowler husband. Trophy finalists ladies and gentlemen running back the running back y'all Willis McGahee. Yo, what's up, buddy? Hey Willis. Our boy Clinton. Portis is in a bad spot this morning man, man, believe it or not. I just seen it. That's crazy. I literally just saw it. We just read about it and I am I hopefully obviously hopefully his name just got mixed up in this whole thing and he didn't do anything but this sounds like a bad situation. None of us know anything about it, but I am not happy about putting poor. Just being mixed up in his friend of the show Good Guy. Let's pivot though. Mr. Willis McGahee. You were a superstar in college a stud in the NFL you did get injured though in a rather large game as a college running back and then you decide to leave nowadays. It seems like there is a much more prevalent occurrence of college players not playing in bowl games and aspirations of going to the NFL as somebody who's lived it in the worst possible way are you for or against that type of thing? I have mixed feelings about it, man. I'm not even saying a lot about it, you know because at the end of the day You're playing you let your teammates down Point. Yeah, if you have Mark, he got you letting your teammates down you letting the fans down at the school and then a lot of people down but then again at end of the day you trying to protect your career, you know, who says if you get hurt you're going to go you still gonna go first round. Like I did, you know, I had a I had a situation where I was like I thought about it. Let me get the be clear this up. I thought about it like just taking it easy when we were down. The coach was like I don't know what's wrong with you guys and I just feel like he was talking to me and I was like, you know what I was like forget I'm just gonna go whatever happens happens or not. Unfortunately. It happened to me but I still bounce back, you know, it's a big different one than $23. I can tell you that. Well, my my big thing is in college in the NFL. If you find yourself in a good locker room, you can have good chemistry. They can be your boys. But in college you become Boys to Men and me not to be cliche, but you really do those are your boys so whenever I see these guys who are maybe second third round potential draft picks deciding to sit out and hopes of it. I'm always just like couldn't be me meant like these are your guys. He's our last chance to play with them and I understand the business side of it. All I think agents kind of get involved in the whole thing in the business. This side of it, but for me that is a much more difficult decision. I think a lot of these guys are making well at the end of this is a different generation, you know, we were brought up a little different than the kids brought it down now kids are getting praise coming out of Little League Football, you know, like room supposed to be all world this and that and people are just pushing them alone. Praise them all if they could ask you when they don't pan out to be the place that people expect them to be. You know, we were younger it was like you didn't get praise you had to get in where you fit in you had to work if you want. If you want to be that number one guy you had to go to practice every day perform and just not you know do everything right nowadays. You'll end up they can tell you can be the number one guy. You don't even know one guy when you come in regardless of who's been there who's been putting that working. That is a hundred percent. Sure. Let's talk about a guy who Florida guy who's dominated his entire life and nobody thought he was going to be able to do it when he got to the NFL and instead an entire organization change. Its offensive philosophy brought in Greg Roman and Lamar Jackson has become must-see television. Right now they're saying his quad injury. He's questionable for this game tonight against the Jets if your Lamar Jackson a what is your mindset going into this game against the Jets which have the number one rushing defense in be is there any thought that potentially rest him because the game's going forward are much more important than tonight. I would say rest of you know, like you said because the game was a more important. This is NFL, you know, the organization has put a lot of money and we're going to put a lot of money into this kid, and you don't want to see him You know like mess it up against a team that has nothing to lose which their job is to just beat the Baltimore Ravens. They're not going to the playoffs. You can understand. So just rest and let them chill, you know, get ready for the playoffs. You know, it's a salty. I'm pretty sure you have the sake coming from last year from the first playoff game. Yeah, and you want to get back to that game when you get him back the game and see what he does and see how he performs see if he has evolved since last year as a running back a good running back. Not only a great running back in the NFL and in college. Do you see a lot of runningback Tendencies and Lamar Jackson and is that why he has been so successful because he has the mind and body of a running back with his incredible ability to throw as well. I think Lamar runs better than certain running backs because he has the moves. He has the agility. He's agile, you know, I mean he has he has weapons running back has their eyes and feet the my has eyes feet and hands and hips and his Intimacy, so he's he I mean people like that come around once every 25 years man. Look at big big was the last one like that before Vic. Who would you say it was Randall Randall Cunningham or somebody? Yeah. Yeah coming out by the way. So now you got Randall Cunningham. One of the best Putters diver is a 99 yard punt or something like that. Let's pivot to the Buffalo Bills. The draft Universe around after you hurt your knee you spent a lot of years up there. They are back. They seem like they are a team that is all the way back McDermott has a team that he likes now granted they could potentially lose this weekend against Bucky Hodges on prime-time football. What do you see from the Buffalo Bills though and you like the way they're headed. Buffalo Bills have a point Improvement, you know, there has been some rough years. You know, they got a great hall of fame back over there Frank Gore Universe, Miami. Hell, yeah. I know he still ticking away. I mean that The real hungry right now man, the circling the wagon. That's what they said. Did you enjoy your time up in Buffalo? Buffalo is cool man, believe it or not, you know, unfortunately, well I departed on bad ways with the team but you know not what the team with the city but I mean at the end of the day like I tell everybody I have a daughter out of Buffalo lands, so I have no issue what happened. Now what happened now, I should probably know this and it's probably little bit more research and by guys have been bygones what happened. It was a contract year. when negotiation time in the I did an interview with a with a paper. I want to say it was a Toronto Star. I forgot it was it was one of the papers in there? Like you know, what do you think about Buffalo? Playing in Toronto. I'm like, yes, so why not? You know, I'm going to care for Miami, you know come from Miami going to Buffalo was like a big difference. You know, there was like, what do you do all day? That's all I do is stay home and play video games. I go to Dave & Buster's I mean in yeah the reporter, of course, I didn't know this and the time, you know reporters kind of put their own look tweet this stories and everybody old McGehee does Like Buffalo this and that and I was one going out hanging out in Buffalo. So I didn't understand all I said was we should play some games. You have to be the teams to play games in Toronto. Guess what two years later. They stop playing games and tell right. I mean, I don't have a problem with it. But you know, I got my my friend soon as all the time Darrell Porter play-by-play for Buffalo. He says only two people in the world. I got a jersey burn you and LeBron I was Like I did jerseys at the games one of the home games after I got traded see I would argue that if social media was around back, then you would have been able to explain yourself a no. No, excuse me. I was just asked the question of whether or not it's playing Toronto that takes out the media narrative and media spin like that. You know what I mean? Yeah, but you know at the end of the day people take things around with it, man. Yeah, it's some people don't believe it some people not like there's some people out there who know like I got a lot of love buffalo, but you know still other people like Oh you a dirtbag this and that you naughty and some people are the worst some people are the absolute worse before we let you go and I can't thank you enough for taking time today who you think's going to win the Super Bowl and you think the Tom Brady LED offense and that Patriots or ever going to be able to turn around? Listen, man, that's silly all the Baltimore guy. You know Tyler even I love sea Ravens. There but that dog on Tom Brady and Belichick is just some special come playoff time, and I don't know what they got going on. Hey Baltimore's gonna be burning your jersey, too. I like both more getting but you still got a you still can't kind of better checking braid agreed. What do you think about the Niners and the NFC? The Niners I believe is going to be out of the Niners in Seattle. Okay. Hey Russell Wilson. Did you hear him? Mic'd up and have you ever played with somebody that was as positive as him on the field. He like the things he was saying was like out of a movie almost. I've never heard a human in real life talked away. He talked on Monday Night Football the other night when he's mic'd up. I don't think nobody gets more positive than Tim Tebow talking room and the god of the curse, you know instead. Don't say that dropping the f word. He says freaking, you know, things like that. He's a positive guy. I think they both have great cancer is the leading teams talking inspiring. It's kind of hard to say man. All right. Well, hey, mr. Willis McGahee. We're all pulling for our guy Clinton Portis. Shout out Frank Gore and thank you to you for having some time for us today. I can't thank you enough. Ladies and gentlemen, two-time Pro Bank Willis McGahee. Thank you Matt. Thank you for having me on the show piano problem preciate you a cheers. Howdy Doody Little Friends Ravenswood upon a lot tonight. I mean I like to get punched but now whenever you bet the over and the Ravens, let's get things done. Good to see you Sam Cooke also good return to their for the Jets had no idea existed brand boyar special teams coach for the Jets used to be the assistant special teams coach in Indianapolis for a long time. He also played football for a long time in the NFL as a special team are used to be a wedge Buster for over 10 years. Think about the legend that that human has to be. 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So I saw this stat today on our boy Jacoby Brissette which by the way, I don't think there's been a single show that has been more supportive of Jacoby percent than us. Absolutely. I'm still a big fan but I saw this step. So in the first quarter and third quarter of each game, he has an excellent quarterback rating first quarter one 18.9 third quarter 105. In the second and fourth quarter second quarter 84.2 fourth quarter 75.5. So the criticism is first and third quarter. He's running basically off the script and then as the game progresses Beyond scripted aspects of the offense, he suffers is this a fair critique? Okay. So who's that on its head on the coaching staff that can adjust from the script? So the scripted plays now granted descriptive plays are like the plays at your quarterbacks most comfortable with the scripted plays are also to get a picture of how the defense is going. Handle, the different formations or schemes that you're thinking about running. So a lot of plays I don't want to say they're not expecting them to not work but our to work but there's a lot of places are putting out that they don't really care if it works in the script because they just want to see how the defense is going to adjust to it. Okay. So if we moved motion is running back out of the backfield and then we run it to the left. How did they cover that running back? Maybe we can utilize this later with a little dump off a little wheel route little square screen to the right things along that nature. So if he's not doing well in the second quarter in the fourth quarter in my eyes Frank Reich has been a noted good play caller Frank Reich has been a guy who's done very well with quarterback. I think that's almost more damning stat on him than it is on Jacoby right now is Jacoby missing throws in a second quarter and fourth quarter that he isn't missing in the first and third quarters possibly but this feels as if this is a schematic thing more so than a Jacoby thing I could be wrong. But in my eyes that's more damning for the offense as a whole as opposed to Jacoby percent as a singular person now, The closer to have to make a decision here about Jacoby. I think he's definitely going to get another year. I think he's going to get an entire offseason being the starter which he has never gotten by the way in his entire career. He has never had an entire offseason being the guy. He's never had an entire offseason in the weight room. Everybody knowing he's the guy in the meetings everybody knowing he's the guy into even in the cafeteria knowing that you're the guy who's just a different world. Right? What you say matters more your ideas and your opinions on concepts mean more the whole team is basically Shaped around you. This is jacobi's first opportunity to have an offseason for that. I'll be excited to see how he does next year because as beginning of this year, he looked Unstoppable and then he had that knee injury in Pittsburgh, which nobody could have guessed cam. Heyward picked up Quentin Nelson dump them on his knee and everything has kind of changed since then. I'm excited to see what your company does next year and he's at a pretty good rate for starting quarterback as opposed to being paid this asinine amount of money, which a lot of certain quarterbacks have to have they have to build a team around but for me, that's more damning on the scheme in the strategy of the offense as supposed to Jacoby as someone who has to deal with this all the time. I'm hearing a lot of things like Second quarter fourth quarter second half of the Season maybe she's getting tuckered out. Yeah, maybe he's tired. Huh? Maybe gets tired at the first quarter. There's no long enough break in between the quarters need a little bit longer. We need more dogs humping each other countries, maybe he's just tired maybe gets a little tired. Well because it is his first full starting season right now. You didn't know until what ten days before the season started yapping to be a starter because that's like whenever I want in the year we ended up eventually going to and 14 I show up at training camp and I had a great off see I mean Right off season and I get a text message from the sheriff saying hey, hey come down and see me. I'm down and train room and I hadn't seen him for like a month or two and I assumed you just want to hear some stories, you know, if I cares who lived through me what I just did and I walk in and he just has all these wires coming off of them and I'm like, oh my god, what the hell is going on? And one of my good friends who's the head physical therapist at the Colts looks Amigos and I like big eyes he goes. Oh, you didn't expect to see this on I was like what the hell is going on here? Oh, hey Paya got do is wreck another 30 minutes. You do anything cool this off season. I was like, well it appears. As if I didn't train hard, here's his if I we're going to be putting a lot more than I expected. And that was whenever I was kind of told like hey, he has a little bit of a neck issue. There might be a there's a spinal fusion thing that's happening and all this stuff and then lo and behold we sign Kerry Collins out of retirement out of a hunting I think using a deer stand whenever we hired them. He didn't want to come back and then Curtis Painter and orlovsky we go to and 14, but that was one of those things where if I knew we were probably going to break a record for punting I probably would have done a little bit. More in the offseason. I was coming into season ready to skip right back into the AFC Championship win the Super Bowl knowing that we have a greatest of all time. And then whammy I'm summoned down there basically from a flip phone text message and I see these wires coming on like damn. Wow. I'm gonna go start doing some cardio and looks like we are going to be punting a lot this year turns out we did almost broke the record for most points in a season. I was not ready for it Jacobian entire offseason being a starter. You'll probably treat a little bit differently and I'm happy for him and I'm excited. To see the Colts but that is a has a very interesting stat right there. I think the whole organization is gonna have to look at that and I like your explanation much better than Texas. Let's go to play calling and young wide receiver call any could be tired. I mean, it's something that could happen. And and also when T wise not in it's a whole different ball game. So I'm assuming they're going to get another weapon. They're going to have to get another weapon aside from TYC o TYC his interests eating double and triple teams, which is what t y is had to do it because he's the only weapon I assume they'll bring in somebody else. Also. I'm excited to watch a Chris Brown or does withdrawal In terms of preparation the like they say that corvax prepare the same way no matter what but there's no way that he was preparing to be the starting quarterback going into this season in the offseason, right? So they were saying that all OTAs he was getting the one snaps in all training camp. He was getting the One Snap. So I think just mentally it's a lot different than the physically I think with Andrew wasn't taking a lot of reps anyways, because of different injuries that they were skating around there like it was his ankle. I think at one point it was his knee at one point side of my right with that. Yeah. I think it was like they said it was his rifle. He wasn't practicing them. His knee at one point. It was this like he didn't practice at all during OTAs and the local news was just like Andrew sits out again today, but don't worry culture. Like the messaging was always like Andrew hasn't practiced yet, but don't worry and then training camp started happening like Andrew is resting today, but don't worry and then we're me that Adam schefter tweet comes out of nowhere. So Jacoby took a lot of one reps because luck wasn't practicing but mentally knowing you're the guy it's just a whole different ball game. I mean, they're humans out there. You expect. Oh, he gets paid a lot of money to do. Job issue, it's a kids game on stuff. Yeah, but when you know, you're the CEO of an operation you're going to act a lot differently than the regional manager. Will that's just that's just very very easy way to look at it and I would assume now with head coaches to write like when he said coaches get these jobs. It's a whole different ball game no longer you just a coordinator. We only have to worry about your side of the ball. Now, you got to answer a lot of dumb questions about a lot of things. It's a whole different world whenever you become the guy in different positions, I would swim in real life as well. I have a stat here for you. I'm sorry for right? Hey, Tony. That's I mean, this is before Ricky contracts and everything like that. But the Colts again, they have a hundred seven million in cap space next as I increase Ballard by the way has done good with the money. He's paid people that have done a lot for the Colts Jack Doyle just signed a big deal. He paid a Jacoby percent made him a guy T Y Hilton I assume is going to get paid again soon and they need to bring in some weapons on the offensive side of the ball and Chris Ballard lives and dies with the The Trenches loves it. I assume they'll invest in that but the See South is becoming a team that people are really gonna have so Reckoning, especially if Tannehill gets an average deal down in Tennessee got Tannehill a revamped revitalized good Tannehill as opposed to the dolphin Tannehill where the offensive line coach was running through more Colombian Bambam than than what's-his-face the Narco God Escobar. Yeah. Let's go Pablo. So Tannehill is DeShaun Watson. I mean this and if Gardner Minshew continues to get better, which is hilarious to think. About the AFC South still be a problem and Colts got to keep getting back man. You think Cy still has some time left? Oh, yeah. Yeah. He's he came out this week and said he wants to play against yours not giving up on his team. Yeah to I don't get hit much. He kind of the only thing ever happens is I'm he gets like a pool or a bruise or something like that nagging injury. Yeah, but he's a he's a he's a Ferrari that that guy is very fast. He's not as big as everybody else and he's found out figured out ways to knock it hit and he's just a smart football player as well - ball like you learn a lot. Reggie Wayne knows how to find holes. He's a quarterback's best friend, but when it gets hurt the entire team suffers from it, that's what I need. Another weapon need another weapon. For sure. What did Roger Goodell say in his press conference at the owners meetings? I'm excited to hear it Anthony, you know, I do know he started off. Did he say he sees no momentum in changing the playoff seeding because the Eagles and Cowboys stink, by the way, the only change that I would like to see potentially in the playoffs is an Asterix of Claws. And if you have a losing record, you forfeit your automatic bid for the playoffs to the next highest Conference team. I like that. I don't think that's too crazy. I think if your division can't find a team that can have a winning record. You don't deserve a shot. That's just the way it should go give it to Somebody else especially in this NFC where there's a lot of hot teams right. Now the fact that one of them are going to have to sit out because of the NSC least is a in my eyes potential conversation starter, but I think the NFL playoffs are perfect and I would like it to be known that I think the NFL playoffs are perfect. And this does not happen on a regular occasion where a team with a losing record gets in like this. It's only happens every once in a while, but not a bad thing to put a little you know little claws in her little claws to the Clause unless you have a losing record and you still are too Visional Champs you forfeit your right for the bed to somebody else that is tried and played better than you have this particular season. Yeah, because the Rams and Vikings with a much better record. I have to get one of those teams are have to sit out and that's a shame to shame. That's a shame Rock'em off. The tour dog. Raj also said the league has moved on after Kaepernick chose not to take an incredible opportunity. By the way. Normally the world is against Roger Goodell. I think with the way that entire thing panned out a lot of people who were even on. On Kaepernick site like I was on Kaepernick side, by the way, a lot of people have come after me on the internet from both races whites and African American folks saying that I was dumb for taking my positioning which is always been I very much understand what he was kneeling for. I appreciate the fact that he generating a conversation that is potentially made our country a better place in a more understanding place and although the reason for the protest was definitely confused on both sides of the aisle here one was fighting for for Injustice one thought it was completely against the military which you can see how both sides could potentially run with it. They turn their backs on each other decided not to talk to each other and I who have been in NFL locker room and around a lot more these situations. I think I little bit more understanding like yeah, I understand that these guys feel a duty to give back to their Community which is what Colin Kaepernick was doing and a lot of guys that took Annie throughout the whole thing. It just got misconstrued. I was on Kaepernick side for a long time. I thought I'd killed ratings. I don't think a lot of people expected her purse. I think it very much turned people off from the NFL but I think in the end made our world a better place and for one day one day we all wish by the way. Jay-Z wishes this who set this up. I was just I think a lot of people just for one day. He played by the NFL's rules and if they didn't sign them, I think even more people would have been on his side instead. He made it a distraction and made it to show a cluster and ain't nobody going to want to sign them now and honestly, you can't blame them at this point. I think there were some teams that were About signing him and then what happened happened and it's now it's just like yep Roger. Goodell can say things like this. Everybody's like, yeah. Hey, we hey, we feel you man. We agree completely. And by the way, if I'm Colin Kaepernick, I can understand how you don't trust the NFL for what has happened. But for one day just one day if he would have just played their game. This could be a completely different story could have came full circle. But instead here we are. He's probably never gonna play in the NFL get the ship that I don't know. I don't know if it's good or not. I've no idea was good or not. I think there's teams that legitimately wanted to sign them though. That would have appreciated a workout without the cameras. And without the things that could talk to him ask him questions and all that stuff. But instead he made it about him and his team and good ever see I'm Roger Goodell's done with it, but I do not want to hear any more questions. Mr. Z Hova made me do that workout and he made us look like fools. So I'm done with the completely as well Roger Goodell said in regards to the CBA Raj isn't sure how far apart the Owners and players are I don't know where we'll be. I know we've committed to work hard and try to keep the issues at the table and try to see if we can reach an agreement all this is is PR now couple weeks ago. They were like, oh, we're almost near being finished. That's either the NFL saying we're almost near finish to put pressure on the nflpa not to come on say no we're not because any nflpa looks like a bunch of spoiled brats or it's the nflpa putting that out to make the NFL look bad. Just know that during these CBA negotiations. It is 1,000% a PR spin in a an attempt to It leverage over the other person. That's just the way it goes. They wanted to be billionaires verse millionaires, but it's not that remember that it's everyday guys who've worked their ass off to get into a league trying to leverage against 32-bit. Sorry 30 Billionaire's including the guy at the Raiders and then the Packers go she ating it's gonna be a crazy scene the fact that they were thinking about finishing early sprays. He's not on the casting couch. The chatting couch is a man from From Boston who steals all of our snacks and snacks, obviously because we're a fully running off is here. We got like 12 people that worked on a daily basis, you know, we try to keep it a little bit upbeat try to keep some snacks in here every single time ty0 Fox and I would get back to the office though be a long day. There'd be no snacks left in the office and now I go through R our Is and we'd be dumping money into snacks every single week. So I'm like, alright, so we're just losing money at some point and when I get here and I'm starving there's nothing left got to Simply say camera. Obviously as everybody should Connor was just emptying out the drawers don't be getting the bags and taking it to that hellhole of a house the pub snacks to go bad to I mean, I'm kind of looking out for you guys right now. They all have preservatives in them. I mean it's next. Level Connor cars about to be in the Outhouse pretty quick DJ Nick Moore Aldo is on the ones and twos. How's it going Frankie boy, take it easy we take these is a serious thing. We're dumping so much money, and I know you're yelling. Well, it's something that you know, try to be a good company. Like at least we could do is get some snacks for the guys that are in here working grinding away. Very nice in terms of very nice. But just know that there's some sort of punishment coming at some point your I'll bring some snacks in tomorrow for you guys. I go back in I got a couple bucks. All right. All right. I hope you've had an amazing week which is going to propel you into an impeccable weekend. Same Donald just got sacked out of fumble Baltimore Ravens ball going in score. Probably going to go up 21 right here. Alright. Anyways, it's for my bet great form. I bet not great for jets fans. I'm not sure. How many are left good for the Ravens good for Lamar Jackson. It's been a wild week for us man. It's been a wild week little bit of this little bit of that. I did a cheese it launched then I had to do 15 commercial or interviews back to back to back to back to back to back the Patriots video tape Scandal that happened then got the bunks pretty quickly Roger Goodell this I mean, it's been a wild week in this. Sports World and I think your weekend is going to be awesome. 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On today’s show, Pat reacts to ESPN’s like of five most attractive expecting coaching vacancies at the end of the season and he has a few questions about which ones are seen as much better than the others and if he thinks that is accurate or not. Pat and the guys also dive into some World News with Nick as they discuss Clinton Portis and a few other players accused of defrauding the NFL’s league health program with false claims amounting to around $4 million, and OBJ telling everyone that he can that he wants out of Cleveland and for certain teams to come get him. Later, 2x Pro Bowler, 2002 Heisman Trophy finalist, and former Running Back for the Bills, Ravens, and Broncos, Willis McGahee, joins the show. He gives his opinion on players sitting out bowl games in college in hopes of avoiding an injury that will derail their NFL draft stock, as no one is more intimate with that situation that anyone else. Willis also gives his thoughts on Lamar Jackson, why he is so dangerous, and what makes him such a threat. Willis and Pat also chat about his time in Buffalo and the story behind why he had an ugly exit from Buffalo, and who he thinks is going to win the Super Bowl (36:13-46:33). Pat also reacts to Roger Goodell’s comments about no changes coming to the playoff structure in the near future, and what Pat was trying to do to help get retired NFL players benefits, gives his thoughts on Jacoby Brissett and why he has started to slow down a little bit in the back half of this season, and what he thinks Chris Ballard will do for the Colts’ roster in the offseason. Lastly, the guys chat about the hottest issue in the office right now.. there is a snack kleptomaniac in the building, and Pat gets to the bottom of it. Today’s show is a fun one, come and laugh with us. Cheers.

Do you know what the biggest reason is that people don't do what they really really want to do. It's because of some other person other people other people judging us other people telling us what's right and wrong and that are people criticizing us for doing what we want to do. But here's the thing if for a moment you could drop the opinion of other people if you could just focus on what you really really want to do what really matters to you what lights you up chances are you won't really care much about what they say. Cuz here's the magic of doing what you love and doing what your heart is calling you to do. You actually just become so consumed and in love, you know, with the process that everything else almost becomes irrelevant criticism judgment the feedback of other people almost kind of Fades out over time when I started my channel when I started talking about self-improvement for that was about 19 years old everybody criticizes. Everybody said who are you to speak and you shouldn't say this, but you shouldn't do that and you don't have the authority and you should go to school and get educated myself educated. You know, I got great coaching from powerful people the top in the industry. I made my channel. I worked on myself. I built my character my speaking ability and in the beginning I was heavily impacted by what people were saying, but over time as I got deeper and deeper into my zone as I got more and more focused all that faded out all of a sudden. It was just me and my passion and all the people that supported it because when you're really really pursuing your dream when you commit to it a hundred percent, you just sort of have to let go of all the baggage and that might sound bad and maybe that someone that you care about but it doesn't mean you have to get rid of them completely. Maybe just a little less time with judgmental uncle and a little more time with supportive friends or someone else in the industry that's ahead of you that you are learning from a mentor. Coach when you make these little choices they add up when you lean into your passion it pays off but it takes time and initially it's uncomfortable and that's why people get trapped. That's why they get stuck. So here's my number one piece of advice for you. Be comfortable being uncomfortable be comfortable being vulnerable be comfortable sharing and people criticizing that be comfortable going for what you want and failing a few times and really when you're failing you're just learning you're growing you're improving let that happen give time give space to the process. Stop trying to get it all at once. Stop trying to prove everyone wrong because that's the reason you're not fully successful or getting You want your still with that little chip on your shoulder, you know trying to show everybody that they were wrong the moment. I drop that my business exploded my career took off all of a sudden 30 million people were listening to my motivational speeches and I had clients more than I could ever handle. I want you to have success, but that will only happen when you let go of everything that doesn't serve you that will only really happen when you're pursuing what you want out of inspiration rather than this. Desperation see before I was trying to show everyone but then when I switched to doing this because this is what I love and I let go of all that in fact, I welcome it. The became easy became effortless wasn't a strain anymore. It wasn't me. Like come on go to make this video gotta push myself today. It was more like it. Yeah, let's hit record. And let's go. Yeah, let's go down to the beach. Let's shoot a little bit. Let's have some fun not come on. Let's go. You gotta do it drop that. That's what's draining you that's what's making it so difficult reason you don't succeed the reason you can't Really have what you want is because you keep listening and worrying and interpreting and trying to think about what other people are thinking about you micromanaging Impressions is the number one way to kill an entrepreneur some of that aspires to a great dream. So let that go no matter what your dream is focus on that focus on the thing that really brings you joy and passion in your heart. If you don't know what that is make a list of things that make you happy and rate them from 1 to 10 and pick the one that's the highest rating or the to that our highest-rated simple life is simple success is simple not easy but simple so keep it simple don't overcomplicate it. It's not all these crazy steps that you have to take. It's always always simple. I know for me. I have a few steps that I take and make content. I build a brand. I grow my audience. I work with clients, you know, I collaborate with other influencers. Are you go simple that grows and grows and grows figure out. What are the five steps for you and stop listening to all the negativity Uncle Jimmy? That's so critical of you. Right Let It Go focus on you focus on what you love focus on your passion. Let it really take over. Let it really become what you obsess about what you think about all the time. The only thing you really focus on everything else is a bonus have a nice life. Take care of yourself. But give this a real shot give your passions a chance because it's so easy to quit before you even really got started.

How can you follow your passion? STOP thinking logically and start putting into action the life that you truly want to live. Should you follow your passions to wherever they may take you? Should you live a life only of what you love...or learn to love what you do? How can you identify which path to you need to take? How about which paths to avoid when going after your passion? S U B S C R I B E : https://www.youtube.com/user/RafaelEliassen?sub_confirmation=1 Coaching with Rafael: https://www.rafaeleliassen.com/coaching  #MotivationalSpeech #MotivationalSpeaker #Motivational #InspiringSpeech #InspiringSpeaker #Inspiring #InspirationalSpeech #InspirationalSpeaker #Inspirational #Passion #Passionate #PassionProject #FollowPassion #FollowYourPassion #FollowingYourPassion #Dreams #FollowDreams #FollowYourDreams #FollowingYourDreams #DreamBig #SelfImprovement #PersonalDevelopment #Motivation #SelfHelp  #Happy #LiveHappy #Joyful #JoyfulLife #LiveJoyful #Motivational #MotivationalSpeaker #MotivationalSpeech Stop with logical thinking. For a second, stop with all the what’s supposed to make you happy. Feeling lost is a “feeling” and we should try to solve it that way. Logic won’t help you because; people who logically have everything right in their life, feel lost too. I want you to observe whatever comes up, as you read along. There is one way to get out of this emotional abyss. Move closer to the things you enjoy. Not what’s logically right. Not a college, a job, or even friends. The things you low-key want to try but are scared they won’t make you happy and you will be sad. That’s what you are afraid of, right? Trying something and the sadness that will come if it didn’t work. You are sad anyway. You might as well try it and take a leap of faith. It could be trying out a new sport or traveling or starting to write, starting a side business, asking someone out, cutting off toxic friends. Whatever you feel like doing, make a list. Do the least scary one first. You will feel a little bit lighter and alive, you will automatically want to try the next one. It’s going to be scary. You will have thoughts ( logic), stopping you from doing this. But stick through. Because you owe that to yourself. Your life will only get better if you take some different action. No amount of thinking will save you. Different action towards your feeble yet authentic desires.

Yeah, I got no time. I'm exhausted and I'm too broke got a full-time job and I'm a mother of four no more excuses. You can leave that at the door Kelly great break it down time to let the world know if you wanna be an artist let the world be your stage working every day. Let's see just what it takes how to be an artist with Kaylee gray no more excuses. And that's all I gotta say. Yeah.I used to be what I will graciously called passive. I had and have a really good life. I was born into a self-made wealthy family every bit of my life and the lives of my ancestors was put together so that I could live an easy life. My parents did this weird thing where they actually loved each other. They love me too. My sister was amazing. My friends were amazing. None of us did drugs School came easy to me. Everything came easy to me laugh was easy and because of this I just let life do its thing. I allowed the mother of my high school boyfriend to fill in on a University application for me and I went there simply because I got in I Put any thought into what degree I was going to do was chosen based on what I didn't want to do. I found a group of incredible friends with in my first week of being in a new city at University because we were the only English speakers in the residence. I even met my future husband while I was playing around on my computer. Laughs was good. And I was certainly good in that. And then a few things started creeping in from the cracks that I had ignored. I grew into the biggest oppression of my life. I didn't fall into it wasn't smacked in the face by it allowed myself little by little to grow into something simply because I didn't make an effort not to I didn't go to the psychologist. I didn't force myself out of bed, right when the feeling started. I didn't learn coping strategies. I simply allowed it to consume me. A welcome to depression like an old blanket and I hidden it's cozy fought in my second year of University. I had a breakdown I can still distinctly remember the exact moment that I called on the floor in a University Residence shower and I cried I can still almost smell the shampoo my depression lasted for a year in this time. I destroyed myself I went on to medication and I went off it without the required weaning. I went to absolutely zero University classes. I ignored my friends. I fought with my family. I became friends with the wrong people the wrong person. I slept past my feelings. I eat my feelings. I dyed my hair for the first time so that I wouldn't look like myself. I stopped contact with my best friend and future husband. I drank in the middle of the day because I heard that's how people coped it didn't work. And that stopped like immediately. I Cry A lot and even that cry wasn't anything it was just a little passive cry. I spent a lot of time in the bath. I became a shell allowed myself to break. I was broken. And then the bricks that my family my friends my future husband had been building for me when I was too weak to do so myself started forming a foundation then a house and then I could stop living in my depression blanket fought and I could move in there allowed myself to be looked after and after 365 days of the worst year of my life with the work of people who surprisingly still loved me. It left me. Looking back. That was the sign. The years that followed that magically saw me get my degree a long-distance dated my vengeful husband moved in with the guy move 12 more times went through a bunch of smaller depressions are found a corporate job. Thanks to a family friends contract contact and I got married and then my husband T had a job offer that involved a year in my favorite country in the world. This job offer wasn't handed to him. It wasn't given to Default, they thought of him because he had won the Student Competition with the company. I'd been around when he was working towards this competition. It was held in his last year of his studies. It was in addition to his crazy engineering workload. He and his team spent nights in the labs on this project when I said that I mean until 5:00 a.m. When he had nap for an hour and then go to class. I mean that this happened more than once I was waiting for him and his daughter. Dorm room during one of my visits I never saw him. I played some songs in his freezing dorm room and I made a little tea some to hang out with he and his group actively worked on this project for so long and so hard that there was no doubt that they had when they want to stack of money for the University and a trip to see the company in Germany. I joked that based on all the time. I had put into not seeing him. I deserved a trip to Germany. I got my trip to Germany and with that everything changed. Germany began with my husband and I in different countries because on marriage pasta was lazy. We were only legally married in the system ages off to our February Ting this meant I could not get a Visa which meant that only after two months three months of our brand new marriage was spent really far away. Now, the problem was that I was essentially homeless in South Africa because we had moved out of our apartment in preparation. I lived out of a suitcase and my parents until the Visa would come we had No idea when and this not knowing is the worst part of anything staying with my parents was restorative allowed my parents to look after me restorative. But I still had nothing to actually do no job. No Hobbies not even something to clean. And so I started a project I'd seen and never got around to Project Life and Project Life showed me that I was actually doing things and not completely useless during this transition period of nothing it also made me say yes to a lot of things just so that I could take new photos along with my parents project laughs saved me from Oppression now a project love is still isn't quite in South Africa. And so in 2013, it was even less there. I had to be really active in the way I look for it. I could only use digital products or scrapbooking paper from the early 2000s. So I was using almost exclusively Paisley pressed digital scrapbooking products. That's how I discovered that a whole world. I discovered that creative teams meant that you got to use your favorite products that you would use anyway. Way but be paid for it applied to be on the pastry prescriptive team. When I look back at what I was making. I've no idea while is Sidious to me. There's truly changed my life. It was reinforcement that I was doing what I was doing Matt it enough that someone actually wanted me using her products and showing people it was reinforcement that this was a worthwhile project that other widows were doing to it forced me to keep doing this if only to make staff Not actually crab to put on The Paisley press blog. I can simply stop doing this like I'd done with any other hobby before this would Sonny was something that had to continue. I put that big exciting email from Learners as a photo in my album. And then my Visa came I went to Germany in Germany. Everything was magical Germany has castles and fairy tea and dogs and last people and beer drinking in the Irma Germany has Amazon and scrap book of Acts taught and really really good internet Germany had Adventures over time. These advantages were reserved for weekends since T had to do the thing. We came here for and work after trip to France after lubich and Heidelberg off to Rome and Tuscany and Greek Islands kept me busy. I'd five days straight with nothing to form a time until 10:00 I could do something. I had an entire year during which it was literally illegal for me to work we joked and he said that I had retired at 25. So I had a year to do all the things I ever dreamed of doing except the problem was that I never had any dreams. What did I want? You don't want to be I had no idea. There was no big laugh Revelation that happened no core changing laughs event. This was not a confetti fold Revelation. It was not a Eureka moment. This was a slow change. I looked at my current life and the tiniest tiniest part of me whispered at the possibility of more after 25 years of suppressing that voice. I'm not even sure how I heard it at the time. There was absolutely nothing wrong with my life that I could see looking back. I can be more objective about it. Like know that the way I was living was dead. Directly contributing to my depression my relationship suffered. They were big stretches of time that I couldn't account for even directly after that happened. I wasn't living to my potential. potential still hate that word feels dirty on my lips. That's why the negatives of passive living or so difficult to quantify. You can't quantify the things you've missed out on the true measure is how much you could have done and could is not scientific measurement? After years and years and years of ignoring that voice I made a list it wasn't a grand list by any stretch of the imagination. It was 25 things. I want to do a 25 years old. It really didn't matter what those 25 things were admitted that there were words after each number after the Paisley, press creative team. This was my second step into actually doing something. I still have that list that list or me. A lot of things about myself firstly that I needed to take Tom to Tony. What would be on the list and revise revise revise? Secondly that I actually liked making a list of things to do and I like being deliberate instead of passive and thirdly it taught me that I really love doing things with purpose. From that list. I started actively seeking things like Ruby I didn't care what they were. I just cared that they were things I made deliberate my focus word for 2014 and in every single decision that I made I made sure to choose the option that was not passive and that's stretched me. It wasn't easy. I had a lot of setbacks. I started searching for things that made getting the stuff done easier. I devoured books on books on books about the topic. I did things that had an inkling about at some stage so that it wouldn't sit in my mind making cobwebs. I finally started the Etsy store that I'd always wanted assault things made with my own two hands plus Photoshop and some love I got into blogging I made friends with similar people. And then we love left Germany and we left Germany to live in the city that are always hated. So it's the type of city that people live in to make money. That is that's why people live there. There's no other reason in common is high because the standard of living is so low in the City compared to the rest of the South Africa. It has the highest crime statistics in South Africa. I hated going outside. It was little security risk. I was 1,200 kilometers from Family the internet and electricity was unstable. I struggled struggled a lot. The only thing stopping me from staying in bed under the covers every single day was my maid Juliet. We also got a dog and I bought my dream car Fiat 500 things helped but I stop doing things. I slowly started my default passive living again. I could feel the comfort of depression starting to develop me. I didn't want to do that to my husband and so I started making an effort to move away from it. I started with very little things and then I went on to big things. I fishy quit my job. I started my own little company with mostly design work plus a little bit of etsy store thrown in I worked hours and hours and hours. I went to sleep at 1 a.m. And I woke up three or four hours later really excited to carry on working. I take things off the to do this and I felt really good about myself. It was really tough, but I knew adulthood was And then one of my favorite bits happened along with my internet BFF Lauren we decided we were tired of the creative things we wanted to do that would never done and we started with our chilling. We committed doing something on an ongoing basis making art journaling a habit, even though we had yet to make a page and for some magical reason it worked. I just joined us in the momentum built this turn into the mac. And now we have over 2,000 members with people making things every single day. Give me a see his turn into the most amazing community and the people who are part of it have helped prevent and get through many breakdowns. The best part is that I'm not finished doing things makes me want to do more. It makes me a man. I hired makes me excited for the future. I'm faced with a choice every single day depression or doing something some days and the choice is harder to make than others. Sometimes I actually do choose depression, but I've grown I'm so much better than what I was I've leveled up and I'm ready passionate about helping you level up too.

 I used to be what I will graciously call passive. I had (and have) a really good life. I was born into a self-made wealthy family. Every bit of my life (and the lives of my ancestors) was put together so that I could live an easy life. My parents did this weird thing where they actually loved each other. They loved me too. My sister was amazing. My friends were amazing. None of us did drugs. School came easy to me. Everything came easy to me. Life was easy, and because of this, I just let life do its thing. I allowed the mother of my high school boyfriend to fill in a university application for me and I went there simply because I got in. I didn’t put any thought into what degree I was going to do, it was chosen based on what I didn’t want to do. I found my group of incredible friends within my first week of being in a new city at university because we were the only English speakers in the residence. I even met my future husband while playing around on my computer. Life was good, and it was certainly good enough. And then a few things started creeping from the cracks that I had ignored. I grew into the biggest depression of my life. I didn’t fall into it; I wasn’t smacked in the face by it; I allowed myself, little by little, to grow into something simply because I didn’t make an effort not to. I didn’t go to the psychologist, I didn’t force myself out of bed right when the feelings started, I didn’t learn coping strategies. I simply allowed it to consume me. I welcomed it like an old blanket and hid in its cosy fort. In my second year of university, I had a breakdown. I can distinctly remember the exact moment that I curled on the floor in a university residence shower and cried. I can still smell the shampoo.

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I Am Kristy Vlad joined by the lovely Rachel Goodman. Hey, I am really excited. To be here and to talk about Snowpiercer. Yeah, it's obviously we chose this film because of the Academy Award nominations and in some cases lack thereof for bong. Joon-ho. I was nominated. So parasite was nominated for best film and not only that but we just had the SAG Awards but past weekend and The Ensemble won for best performance. Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, it's it's right there in the zeitgeist. And I had heard of this Mill this film but since we're talking about here, it means that we hadn't seen it. I had no idea what was about I did like when I clicked on Netflix. I did see what the summer it was if it wasn't for that summary though. I would have started and been like I don't know what's going on. Yeah, you know, so I was like, okay, it's a cool premise how much did you know about this movie before you started watching it? I knew that bong joon-ho was the director. I knew that Chris Evans was the star. I only I didn't even watch a trailer for Snowpiercer. Yeah. Yeah, I don't Ever seeing one. Yeah, I don't either it could be but I mean 2013 was a long time ago at this point, but I just remember that that's it. Those are the only two things. I really knew. Let me check in with our producer in the booth Ryan you of course did know this film because you pointed out to us that you owned it. Oh, yes. How is this film on your radar where you just well how did you know about this film? I mean we had heard of it. We just didn't watch it. Yes. Well again Ryan, I'm senior producer here at popcorn talk. I was a big fan of this film. I heard about it coming out because around 2030 I mean that's when I was kind of going to a big deep dive with movies and that's actually prefers the first time I ever became aware of who bong. Joon-ho even worse. Yeah. So this was the first time I saw of his and then I went back and I actually watched a few of his others, but I knew he was big in Korean Cinema and it was weird to think that hey there's a Korean film maker making an American Film. So I became really attracted the idea. Also Chris Evans. I only knew him Captain America and his other superhero movies. I wanted to see him a different role and then we got that in this and Didn't disappoint I bought it immediately. I love that. Yeah, let's give a shout out to buying physical media and actually owning films and and having them on a shelf actually have it on digital HD. But yes, okay. Look, I like to I like to look at them. Sometimes - at least you bought it, you know, but a lot of times people assume that these movies are going to stay on the streaming service that they find them on and then it's like hey where did those go? And I think it's interesting to kind of speaking on Ryan how you were saying? You knew about the director already. He bong Joon who had at ho had actually he had a cup. He had some very successful hits by 2013 already especially for you know, anyone living in Korea too. They he was unknown director. So but you mentioned specifically film called mother right mother was from 2009 2009 2006 was the host. Oh, yeah, which I think which I did see by the way. Yeah, I do remember that movie and that was sort of that was this. Everybody was talking about like others. It's so crazy. There's this movie. This is Korean movie have to check it out. And so I did see it and somehow I don't know. I I'm going to blame the media for it, but I wasn't aware of what he was up to after that. You know, I didn't do the Deep dive. I didn't do my homework like Ryan did well, it's interesting too because the host had two of the same actors that ended up in Snowpiercer, right the actor song kang-ho who's also impaired sight. He was in the host and also Yona who plays His daughter and Snowpiercer right go a song she was in the host as well. So they were both in Snowpiercer first song. Kang-ho is basically bong Joon hos Leonardo DiCaprio is for Quentin Tarantino. Like I'm gonna put you in everything exactly or like Martin scorsese's. Yeah his little catholic character your poor people and look I think it's great because first of all, they're great. Everybody's great. Yeah. I think you have some great performances. From children, you know and that's always a roll of the dice, you know, as I have two children. Just trying to get them to do anything. I can imagine trying to give them stage directions and no no this time with feeling you know, so let's talk a little bit about the background of the movie and how it was received. Obviously, we had both heard of it. So we knew that there was at least some Buzz of this movie but we didn't know much it is based on a French graphic novel and my French is impeccable. So why are you here this you have to try saying it La transposons? Yeah, but yeah, so and I assume that that's Snowpiercer. So I think that that's always kind of interesting and then keeping the multinational theme it was from the Czech Republic. So it's a South Korean check co-production. And that's interesting for a movie. That is 80% in English. Yeah. is that you know, it's not really an American production, you know, I obviously the when it comes to distribution and all that stuff, you know, but you know for for what we can say about Harvey Weinstein now is a lot different than we talked about his business Acumen and and the knowledge of Which films to acquire and this was planned to be a very small release sort of a film and usually when Harvey gotten Got behind a movie. It made a lot of money gets nominated for awards, which we'll talk about in a little bit and the the greatest little tidbit that I saw about it was that it was produced on a budget of 40 million dollars, which to this day the most expensive Korean budget ever for a film is 40 million dollars and I am that is a lot of money. I'm not saying that's not a lot of money but I mean when you think of the movies that we see here in the US. I'm pretty sure the the catering budget is 40 million dollars. I saw the line the budget I can't talk about a lot of it. But I saw the every line in the Star Trek Into Darkness budget and I was like, what are they? What are they spending and on top of that to you have they included star cast? So yeah, Chris Evans alone probably was you know a good chunk of money to guy or something. Like you're going to figure that. These are all people who took took a pay cut, you know to do a film that they Thought like was unique and it's interesting and you know, let's give credit to this movie it. Yes. It's adapted from a prior work, but it's a written work and it's a very inventive idea. Yeah, I know and it's interesting too because now they've actually gone on to they had the graphic novel in French now, they have it in English and they've kind of adapted it after the movie. There's like a couple of them now at least so but it's interesting. Yeah, and when I saw The concept was I think that's great and you know, we sort of get that voiceover at the beginning of the film where they start talking about the you know, it's like well, you know, we're going to cool the global temperature and look when you think about the fact that where the human race you just know that we're going to find a way to mess that up. You know, like we're going to cool everything down whoops too much and now and honestly, That's so awesome. That's so that you know, and that's not an American thing. That's no that's it. That's us as humans. You know, we just can't do anything right the thing. I thought was hilarious to in that opening sequence as their kind of explode showing us what happened? Yeah. We see a car that says it has like a little thing hanging like look, I don't know what you call it, but something hanging from the you know, rearview mirror. Yeah, basically saying Save the Planet, yeah all frozen over I was like, okay, that's kind of funny. Yeah. Well, it's very funny. Yeah. They listened. Yeah. Well somebody should have listened. But so if the idea ever comes about to lower our Global temperature to combat global warming, I will see what I can do about getting on one of those one of those Richard Branson Rockets into space because it's not going to end. Well, you know, this was just a logical conclusion, but as as we sort of get to we set up the situation and we get to know the Actors, what are you thinking about this movie? Just as you're watching it, you know some of your some of your initial thoughts I was okay. So because of how I went into this because I am a huge fan of bong. Joon-ho at this point. I was looking at it from a filmmakers perspective. And so the first thing I noticed is that they bring us into this world. They show us what's going on without really directly telling us there's no character really that just comes out and says it in those opening moments. You just kind of have to figure out This is what happened and they they really utilize like News archives to kind of fill in the blanks so that we weren't completely confused. And then we met Curtis Chris Evans character. The the first thing we get is that okay? They know they're like we get the premise from the very second. We meet him that they it's these people who, you know have the crappy end of the stick. They're in the final, you know car and they are about to start an uprising. NG yeah. Yeah, and here's the thing obviously, you know, we learn a lot about Curtis has characters the movie goes along especially, you know, the the third act we learn a little bit about his past but as as a leader and a you know, sort of a never-say-die, you know, no quit sort of a thing. It's like, oh it's nice to see him playing someone other than Captain America, but he's kind of Captain America and this you know what? I mean? There's there's no stopping him as far as you know, just that level of determination and And sure he doubts, you know, whether he's the right person or any of that but it's like he won't admit that he's a leader but it's very clear to everyone else that he is. So I okay I agree with you in the sense that I think he's a leader but I also didn't feel like he was Captain America because so my thing is that one of the things I loved about Curtis is that he had been part of I don't want to say problem lately because it's not like the people were a problem, but it was part of this idea. That if you were put in a bad situation you're going to do corrupt things to including eating babies. And that was one of the things that we end up finding out with Curtis is that not only was he part of eating the week he would actually kill people in order to eat them or to eat their child or to you know, just to have a meal and so and that's one of the things is that we get this conflict in him, you know, obviously near the end but like to me it really really, you know, flick like made this character very much. Item at dimensional and I appreciated that we didn't just get a typical hero. This is a hero who in his mind. He was not the hero because he was flawed from the beginning and they hint at it too, especially with Gilliam saying, you know, you're not the same person anymore. So that's been hinted at yeah, and I appreciated that. Yeah. Well, let's talk about some of the rest of the class the cast you mentioned Gilliam very nice to see the War Doctor here John. Hurt who of course has a very lengthy IMDb page, but I immediately was excited like, oh my God. It's a war doctor from Doctor and and they said when I was looking this up, they the reason why John Hurt was cast was because bong joon-ho had seen him in the Elephant Man Okay knew from then he wanted to put him in something. Yeah, so I found that interesting to to see him there. Yeah, and I think that you know, he is sort of that great. You know, you have these sort of characters this this, you know, somebody that everyone looks up to but isn't really on the ground, you know, I mean whether all of my references tend to be an in nerd stuff, but it's sort of like, you know, your Professor Xavier in the X-Men, you know, your your captain who stays on the bridge, you know, Jean-Luc Picard and now I'm just sticking to bald guys played by Patrick Stewart, but you know what I'm saying? It's like he's this guy is like oh this guy is great, but he kind of has to hang back. Yeah, he we find Out why but you know, he has lost limbs and II thought that it was a great Dynamic, you know to have obviously when somebody like Curtis doubts himself quite so much I think having the advantage of a someone that you can turn to, you know, I think that's good. What did you think about their interactions? I loved I loved that the way that the dialogue was written between Gilliam and Curtis. We didn't quite get Curtis has background. And we didn't quite get gilliam's background either. Yeah, especially with Edgar thrown into the mix. You know Curtis is friend. Yeah, I mean obviously at first we don't know this Baxter, we don't know about Edgar's mother but Jeff. Yeah. Okay, we all have that friend that we killed her mother. Okay, eating them, you know, and I've got a couple of friends that I can sanity was stopped because the babies taste better. That's what we're told in this movie. I appreciated I I appreciate that Curtis had somebody to kind of live for to that. He had his father figure as well as this little brother figure who he was protecting and it was just I kind of figured I'd GE was going to die at some point though because he seemed like even though he didn't have a redshirt seemed like okay he's here but he's not going to make that he's not going to make the trip and like it became very obvious to me too that the three of them that Is world in the back, you know of the train that most of the people we were meeting were going to die. Yeah, I don't want to say that I was convinced he was going to die. But every time he was on screen, I heard that little countdown clock from six minutes like a little bit longer Jamie Bell is Edgar. I think yeah great job. I think that was great to see some very familiar faces in here. I you know who is better yet more unusual. Well than Tilda Swinton and what a great role for her because you know, obviously you got to figure everybody who's been on this train for 17 years, you know, you you're going to people handle in different ways and obviously when you're at the front of the train, it's a little easier but you're a little off because you've been on a train for 17 years and that's what I loved so much about this is that every character had very very had quirky elements to how they were especially the further up we And it just goes to show that even the people who did have the luckier play position on the train that they still weren't without their issues as well and that the entire system was failing regardless of where you were on that train and that's that's what I love so much about watching. This is this element of you are in you're stuck on a train in a system that is not, you know, it's going to fail at some point, but you're trapped and there's no way to really get Get out of it no matter where you are. Yeah, and I mean, I think that you know, there are elements to this story that you know, you've certainly seen before, you know, I mean when you just look to the the the real life, which of course we saw in a film but you know, the sinking of the Titanic obviously, it's like Women & Children First but also the really rich guy. Yeah, you know, it's like well not exactly women Children First. Yeah. It's like when you take care of the important people And yeah, you know, we don't have enough boats. So sorry, you know, so I think to see that the you know, and as at Harris's character points out, it's all by Design and I think they did a great job of foreshadowing that explanation, you know, when they go and there's the aquarium and they explained that it's a closed ecosystem and it has you know, for every one new thing you have to take one thing out and you know, they only have sushi twice a year, which I can't even imagine by the way being any of those those people from the tail section of the training sitting down and being served Sushi. My worry was they put the Wasabi and in a regular, you know chunk next to the actual fish. And what I thought was going to happen was one of two things. I thought that Mason that she knew that they were going to eat the fish and get sick, right because they had never had it before and they were so used to that, you know protein bar AKA The Cockroaches I so I of course just I went Soylent Green with that and I'm like, oh those Protein bars are other people that's what I assume to but so I guess as Curtis is revelation tells us he would have enjoyed that. You know, it's like people do taste good I guess but so yeah, I wasn't at all surprised that it was cockroaches. Oh, I guess it was a little bit but I knew it was going to I knew that there was a story behind what those things were and you just how completely unappetizing they looked. Yeah, you know, but you know, it's a if I'd been thinking I could have I could have made a Jello that looked like that and we could have had it here on the table with us. But do you know they actually when I was looking this up they went over what it really was they use. Oh, I love to hear but that was apparently it was made from seaweed some kind of tangle sugar and gelatin probably didn't taste like I'm gonna guess no. Yeah, maybe tasted all right, but just a little and we have a great performance from Octavia Spencer as Tanya, you know. I think that this is good. I mean a lot of times you don't get to see her engage in a lot of action, you know, although I didn't see that semi horror movie called mom where I guess she killed a bunch of teenagers in her basement or something just judging from the trailer. So in general I haven't seen her in an action role and I thought it was I thought it was very cool to see and you can always identify with the plight or least I can identify the plight of something separate from their child. I think that's always great to have Central in the story. And then we also got that from you and Owners character who Ewen Bremner is not somebody you see all the time, but he was in Wonder Woman and I first found him and fell in love with him as an actor as Spud in Trainspotting and he's a great actor. Yeah, and I don't know if he just works more in far, you know overseas films, but I was very excited to see him in this movie and one of the things he had said Ewen Bremner so he of course plays Andrew the unfortunate soul who ends up getting shot in the head and then yeah, right. The I think it was in the coach where they were having the lessons with the teacher. But so his big thing was, you know, of course he was playing he was playing a father separated from his child and he said that he watched mother another bong joon-ho movie specifically so that he could kind of get the energy from that to bring toward this role and his performance was amazing. I can't even imagine one. So like my big question, And this has to do with Andrews character was when you know, we had that big scene with Mason kind of near the beginning where we saw what happened when somebody put their body part outside of the window and I remember thinking okay. So that's what happens. You have X amount of minutes and then your body your limb kind of freezes off. But and then at the end we get the whole we get another reveal the kind of contradicts that but kind of going back to this. I'm thinking it had a lot to do with the altitude and not the kind of Change what we're talking about with a check. It's like okay, we need seven minutes at this altitude. So he had seven minutes for a speech. Yeah, I mean they clearly they knew where they were they knew what it was going to take and you know, obviously it's all very well for you know, they've got it all figured out but the front section of the train yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I just think it's interesting because his kind of with his character is where we cut it. We get the reveal that it really yeah, like they tell us you can't go outside, but the reality is it was probably just From the altitude where the train was at that very moment, right? Exactly. Yeah as we start to get the impression and we'll talk about in a moment. I mean he has this idea of like so it's cold outside but it's not as cold as it used to be and he I guess correctly assumed it's not as cold as they're telling you it is, you know, not everywhere. Yeah, obviously, you know, if you're if you're driving through the Yukon in Canada, yeah, but then if you're on the train and it's Miami It's called because the whole world is cold, but it's going to be warmer to some extent and we also don't know where exactly the tracks ran we know that they would say that it would take an entire year to go around the circle. Yeah, we don't know where Wilfred built his track the right. Yeah, I know and we didn't really know like the city's to me. We're kind of nondescript and yeah, I don't know if maybe one of them, you know was perhaps, you know a view of a recognizable. Korean City or something, you know, but I didn't look like Pyongyang to me either and I'm not that I've ever been there. So before we continue one of the ways we keep Paris is by our amazing sponsors. And today Spotify is one of our sponsors on Spotify. You can listen to all of your favorite artists and podcasts in one place for free. You don't even need a premium account Spotify as a huge catalogue of podcasts on every topic including the one you're listening to right now on Spotify. You can follow your favorite podcast. So you don't miss an episode premium users can even download episodes to listen to offline wherever they are and you can easily share what you're listening to with all your friends and following on Instagram. You haven't done so already be sure to download the Spotify app and search for AfterBuzz TV on Spotify or browse podcasts in the your library tab. Also, make sure you follow us you never miss an episode of AfterBuzz TV. Yeah. I think that it's great. And I think that's why NAMM is such a great important character You know, despite the fact that he you know likes to hallucinate on explosive drugs. I think it's great to have someone like that, you know sort of in the middle kind of driving the story. He's like I'm doing it basically because I Want the drugs, but of course, he has another agenda which I think having that layer and having it revealed to us. I think obviously makes him much more interesting. What did you think of name on the whole he was one of my favorite characters. I always loved the flawed hero sure and I think Curtis was just as flawed but in very different ways with NAMM, what I loved about him is that he was one the translator device and the fact that it wasn't working the way they expected it to And some of the time I felt like Curtis could just kind of understand what name was saying without even needing that translator. So I thought that was brilliant, but then to just the way that he was not very forthcoming with what he was thinking and like he would if like, you know, obviously I've just watched the movie once but I thinking that if I go back and watch it a second time, there will be more hints that everything he says though, not direct and not, you know giving anything away. Was all a clue to what he was thinking and the reveal that we get at the end. Well, all right. Let me ask you I feel like you've seen the movie. Yes, sir. Multiple times. Do you feel like they they sort of did that where you know literal translation of what NAMM is saying into English kind of gives them one sense of answers, but watching it a second or third time knowing that he really just wants to blow up that door. Do you think that they did a good job being like, oh, wow what he's saying? Might translate this way, but I think he might also be you know speaking for himself what his goal is it's very interesting re-watching it there's a lot of different things in terms of the journey that every character goes on in this film and it speaks a lot on the structure. I do think to answer your question. It is a little bit more apparent that he is he has an alternative agenda. I think that's that's even the case. They really show that early on it really hint that early on when he comes out of the isn't even like Little cabin. Yeah when he comes out. So yeah, I do think upon re-watched. It is clear that there are alternative motives. However, one thing that is for sure is that the structure of the movie in terms of going to each room and it's just another spot. It's another task or obstacle for each room. They go in and they all have different environments. It's so cool. It really mirrors that of like a Willy Wonka and that every room is different and in that structure you can go into the characters and Willy Wonka each have Motives, you know, like the TV guy is his motive Ruka once you know, she just wants the Golden Goose. Like there's there's different things and I think if you kind of parallel these two movies in terms of the characters motives, you're going to find a lot of similarities and you know kind of going off that to what I found interesting is that we started off at the back of the train with the you know people who they had just picked up who they considered the lower class, right? So then we move along and as we move Along, it seems to be that we are kind of increasing in class and then we get to the you know, the high society class. But then what I found the most fascinating is it kind of went back down because we went from high what they would have considered high class Society to all of a sudden. Oh here with the, you know people who are doing chronal and right and the club scene and get to the hashtag Rich Kids of Instagram basically as you get to the front because they're the ones that were the most affluent but They're probably the worst people. Yeah, just you know what their motivation is in life and it almost felt like with different so like, you know, we had really we had people who were struggling to survive at the back in the front. We also had people struggling to survive but in an entirely different way instead of you know, they don't have food when we got to the front. It was more like know they are it's like two different extremes and they're struggling emotionally because they can't handle everything that's happening to them in a different like more of an intellectual way in an emotional way want to shut out. Yeah - in the chat wants is wondering if people prefer Snowpiercer to parasite. He says Snowpiercer was seared into his brain and also visually its outstanding which I completely agree and Chris Evans was so good. He's always good all the acting in this movie is great. I think you have some great performances and And I didn't know the castle as well enough to know who is playing Wilfred. So I figured it was going to be a very recognizable, you know Western as in you know, American or British actor and I you know the reveal is that Harris. I'm like, oh, yeah, this seems kind of perfect to answer his question too about which movie we prefer. I think I personally like parasite better only because I thought that this movie was amazing and you know, I hate to even compare them at All because this movie definitely stands up really well on its own. The reason I would argue that parasite spoke more to me though is because we it was more about one single family and their struggles trying to kind of climb up the social ladder. So right I mean you're dealing with a lot of different people trying to make a similar climb. But before we get into some of the things about the film itself, give us your thoughts on Ed Harris as a wolf. Yeah, so I think my big thing is I'm still trying debating in my head whether whether his story about Gilliam was true or not. Yeah, I was gonna ask you that. Yeah Ed Harris as the actor playing Wilfred though. I thought was perfect. Yeah because he was very level-headed and like you never knew like he doesn't seem like your typical like megalomaniac who you know is power-hungry. He just almost seems like a regular person in a way. Way obviously jamas all day. Yeah on the other person that we ever knew who wear pajamas all day was Hugh Hefner. So I thought that was a nice touch because he's like, well, yeah, who am I getting dressed up for her? No, but it was interesting because here's a guy like, you know, he's under the impression that the system is going to keep going the same way. It always does and that their everything is always going to remain in balance and there's always going to be certain amount of people and it's just going to keep going and The thing is that you know clearly what he doesn't recognize is that the system can be broken right? Exactly. The I think the desire of Curtis and also, you know Nam who he was. I don't think prepared for you know his plan. I don't think he would imagine like why would code is not want this is this is so much better and he and Curtis even says everybody in the back would gladly trade places with you and he's almost like funny you mention that because I want to trade places. Aces with you and sort of the realization. I guess of the you know, the kids working to you know, actually clean the engine and all of that. I think helped him kind of realize you know, because he clearly I mean it's obviously like well, the rest of our lives were still going to be on this train that's at least Curtis's point of view. So the notion the so wilford's offer had to seem at least somewhat appealing on some level to him and I think that Curtis was about to Take him up on that offer, which is kind of ironic because the whole thing was that he Curtis wanted to get up there and wanted to overthrow Wilfred so that he could change the system. I think what I think that what Curtis realized at the end of the film was I'm not going to be able we're not going to be able to keep this train going and accomplish what I wanted to and change things the only way it changes if we destroy this and I think that that was kind of what was going on in Curtis is my near the end was okay I either Either take over this person's place and we keep doing what we're doing. And that's just the way it's going to be or everybody has to die because it's there's no way to you know, keep this train in motion and change at the same time. Like it just those two things can't happen together. What I loved with Curtis though is that we had that moment where we learn about how Gilliam had actually ripped up ripped off his own arm and made that choice to stop Curtis from you know, Doing the wrong thing. Yeah, and how Curtis said why can't rip my tried, but I could never rip my own arm off and saving Timmy his arm got ripped off. Yes. I thought that I was I was a great Arc for well for Curtis, but also for Curtis is arm. Yeah it sort of it actually was able to see like well now I have I have the reason that I need to give this arm a relay, but he didn't he couldn't necessarily see it and that just reinforces what Gilliam said about him being a different person. Before we try to interpret what the ending was. We have to obviously talk about the character of Yona who is nems daughter portrayed by go a song at least. I hope I got that right and I thought that she was great. I mean she's a largely at least when we first see her just sort of an ancillary character just with Nam and then we start to kind of, you know, get to see you know, she has questions. He's trying to figure things out and I think that I think she does a great job and I I really like seeing them work together. What did you think of her? And well just what did you think of her? First it I love how they portray the train babies as they call as they called them anyone actually born on the train. I kind of assumed she would be I didn't know what the ending was going to be. Yeah, but I kind of assumed that there was going to be some kind of major, you know end moment with her. Her we're either her father didn't survive and she did or she died. I was pretty convinced that their that all of them except maybe Curtis were going to die until a certain point. Yeah with you with her though. I also felt this sense of sadness because here's this 17 year old girl who is you know, kind of addicted to criminal and she's never known any other life, but the want but being on a train and you know being sleeping in One little you know incubator, whatever you want to call it. Yeah sleeping in that room with her dad. Like she's so she's never really known what it's like to really live. So we basically focus on her after afternoons plan Darrell's the train and fairly spectacular passion and we have both madman Timmy who is Tanya's daughter who was basically that's who Curtis gave his I'm for was to give get him out of the mechanism inside the engine of the train and you know, they go outside and there of course don't die instantly, so that'll tell you that they're you know, not in Antarctica. I don't know so there yeah, they obviously have nice jackets which helps we're I was so I watch this with hubby Joe sure you're both like, okay. Apparently, she had grabbed the jacket from someone, but we're curious about the the smaller. As Jack. Yeah, but we assume they went back and I do wonder if that was you know, like an insert shot with like to be really need that. Yeah. I know I did think like wait that's it's not like it's her dad's jacket just draped around him. You know, it's like oh no, that's a child-size jacket. Click it fit perfectly for had that. Yeah, exactly. Well there was a tailor on the train, so maybe they had it made and they had they had it delivered. So what do you think about as they walk off into the snow and they see the polar bear? Which I think was a it was a nice reveal. So my thought was one I'm not convinced that the only survivors are the people that were on this train, right? And and the thing is I understand polar bears like, you know, obviously they have a fur coat they are more equipped to Bear cooler temperatures, but what I'm assuming is that we had people on a train they were probably shelters that did house other people. So I'm convinced that that Timmy and Jana are not the last to survive. Is of the human race but to I do think that it is ending on a hopeful note, even though there is a polar bear and that may mean other polar bears and might mean their deaths but there are other people in general and I thought the polar bear actually has sort of has actually has an expression of like what are these? Yeah has never seen people. So I don't know. I thought that that that was cool finish that thought. I wanted to talk about Awards before we run out of time. No, I'm just Going to add to that see I do think generally speaking. It ends on a kind of a happy note that it doesn't but I think the ultimate message wasn't so much of the was one that yes, the human race is going to survive but to the message that it sometimes like we have to break a system in order to survive and that just because you're trapped on a train or trapped in a certain, you know way of life doesn't Not mean that you are stuck there forever. There is always a way to change it right II definitely grave that I thought it had a nice sort of open ending where you know, it's up to interpretation, which I think is always fun for movie because it's not like well, this is definitely what happens like no because you have no idea where it goes from there and always makes it fun to talk about so talk a little bit in our final two minutes here about some of the awards it was nominated for did receive Eve and because I know that you had some notes on that. Yeah, so it looks like Snowpiercer was not did not receive any American Awards, but it looks like they received the grand Bell Award for best art Direction in 2013. The blue dragon film Award for best art Direction the blue dragon film Award for best director the baked song Arts Award for best film director in 2014. And then the grand Bell Award for best editing in 2013. Yeah, and well, you know we talked about it's 40 million dollar budget and its international box office is 86 million dollars which you know, if a Marvel movie opened at 86 million dollars, they would they would really hit panic over at Disney but I think for a movie like this, that's great. Yeah, you know and so I think it was received very well in that sense to what we always like to do. When you do these these Anatomy movies, you know, sort of does it live up to the hype this wasn't didn't have Of hype in a traditional way like a lot of the movies we've done or sort of like Classics and we're just you know, usually Alexa and I have just been dumb enough to have not seen them. But this I think is like, oh you can see why this movie is so widely regarded and it's also not particularly old so it's not going to feel like I don't know what they were thinking back then but I'm wondering what did you think about sort of the reputation? This film has now that you've seen it it made me appreciate bong. Joon-ho as a director and more and now I want to Out like I haven't seen all of his movies. So now I want to just like go and binge everything that he's ever done but it made me appreciate him more as a director. I also appreciated the cast and the way that everybody worked. It was definitely an ensemble piece. Yeah. It was a great Ensemble. Yeah, and just the messages and I appreciated all the hidden meetings and some of the meetings that weren't so hidden either. Yeah. No. No, it's you know there it's there's a clear message that the middle and you know, At the center of the entire crisis that they try to combat. We're in no way beaten over the head by it. You know, it's just sort of it's very apparent. Honestly, you're saved the planet image that you talked about at the beginning of the show. That's frozen over that's kind of it. That's really what they're trying to say and it's like well then you get stuck on a train. Yeah. I thought it was great and I'm glad that I've seen it and I well I look forward to whatever we're going to see next week. I'm not quite sure what movie we're going to watch next week. I My co-host will be but in two weeks Rachel will be back. Alexa will be back and we'll be watching Stripes but that's two weeks. Follow me in social media. If you want to know what we are watching next week. You can find me on Twitter Instagram at Christian DMZ and Rachel where can people find you you can find me on or around Twitter at reach Goodman or on my author Instagram account at Rachel Radnor author. 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You're listening to the Ricky Long podcast. The thing is I've got so many answers this which is something I didn't think I'd ever have definitely gives you a massive appreciation for life in general. So it's too wishy-washy, but I don't care. People don't appreciate and again. This is me included people don't appreciate the things I have until they're gone and luckily. It doesn't take much for me to get into that mindset of like, okay just appreciate this. Like I'll be over walking early and I'll just sit just hit me. I'll just be like, I'm so done glad I can I can walk I can breathe and I don't have to panic about how long this walks going to take because I have to be back for some time or even the fact that I can. walk as long as I want without feeling like I'm going to collapse which a lot of people that's a real that's reality to them. And it makes me not it's probably made me a really laid-back person. I think it's definitely made me more light by persons that my mom describe me as like obviously she's got two sons my older brother and myself and my older brother is very highly strung and stressful and she's just like, I don't think I've ever seen Benjamin. She goes and fetch me like stressed like it's very rare, they'll seem stressed because it just I just thought the mentality if it's not going to matter and Damn five hours that we spend five seconds on it. Like it's just me get on with it. Stop sweating. But the Small Things realistically if I asked you about this five days later, you're going to be like, what was I worried? What was I talking about? What was I thinking about like it that's reality. So I just think that you know shit happens get over you're listening to the Ricky Long podcast where International Fitness entrepreneur Ricky Long answers your questions and interviews. Us leaders on training nutrition and mindset Ricky is a fitness industry expert having been helping people achieve their fitness goals since 2002. We talked everything Fitness business and group exercise to help you on your fitness journey. Episode number 57 all of the Rick along podcast and this episode was an absolute pleasure to do on a number of reasons. First of all, the guests I had on who give up his time to chat the main chat to you and just you know continue to spread his message is an absolute gentleman. He is an old friend we go back a long long time, which we do chat about briefly in the episode. Mr. their ban much Ban is a fitness entrepreneur. He does online coaching online PT. He runs specific programs for a very very specific type of person and it's for what he stands for. So ban is affected by cystic fibrosis, which is a disease which has You know it affected them his whole life but kind of not affected them at the same time because he's he turned it into his you know, his whole reason why and everything he does is not only based on to make himself healthier and feel better. But to spread that good message and positive messages to others who are affected by CF and by families are affected by CF. So we're going to talk into that loads and loads. Unloads a massive thank you to bear for coming on was chat a little bit about Fitness business what his Fitness business is doing now and like I said, we met about seven eight nine years ago now back and Fitness First Belfast corns water. I was one of the managers in the club when then came on for what I did find out on the episode was his first job and fitness and and it's amazing to see what band. Is doing noise so you know what it would do live in a world war. You know social media those give people so much impact than position in the spread a message. I'm been really really does that he is, you know, he's my first six-figure guest and you know, he's got over a hundred thousand followers on Instagram. He's got there The elusive Blue Tick, but you would never ever know that from speaking to him very very humble. He's as humbly as it was when I met him seven eight nine years ago. We talked about that and talk about what's next for bam. In terms of his Fitness business some really really cool exciting stuff. It gives us a great Insight on to that and we obviously talked a lot about cystic fibrosis. If you're a bit like me, you might be aware of it. You might know but some pieces but honestly, I know very very little or you very very little about sisera fibrosis and throughout this episode. I just I'm so grateful to now I know a little bit more about it. I'm a little bit kind of regret for all the didn't know more before. You know one would have been closer to them when we did work in there and the CM GM but hey times have changed and I'm really really happy that we've caught up in this episode and I'm even happier that we get to share it with you. So just before we hand over to Ben I want to make a quick. As an announcement I suppose it isn't a judgment or podcast sponsors Podium for sport or doing a free giveaway a 50 point giveaway as part of this episode and this episode alone. So to earn a 50-point shopping voucher to be spent in either the put in for sports shop or online their website www.patinsproject.com. You need to do the following things you need to at this point. Screenshot your phone right now or of this episode you need to them post this episode on your Instagram story. You need the tag Ricky long. You need the tag pulling for sport. You need to tag band Mudge. 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I'm welcoming on to this episode of the regular podcast is a good friend and I was going to say old colleague not that he's old but just a long time ago. We were once again, we were one's colleagues. Mr. Bear Mudge. I dunno I'm really really good. Thank you so much for coming on to the podcast. So I need I need to address the first and most obvious thing is the haircut. Yeah, for those who maybe haven't seen ban. He has been through quite a transformational process and the last two weeks with the haircut. So why don't why don't you tell people about the haircut and then we'll tell people about you. So obviously you're gonna it cut off a little bit there, but we're good. That's all right and continue. So yes obviously is not a visual things. I'm just have to be very descriptive with my words here. I had very long hair will not very long. It was just I had long hair and I decided to grow my hair long because I hated having short hair and you never knew what to do with it. It seems like everybody and this is as boring as it is by the way the story it wasn't anything to try and look like Thor and I think that's just kind of as a happy happy mistake. I have made Here because I never knew what to do with it. I ever attended everyone who had short hair would just know exactly how to style it. I every morning I woke up. I was like that all day and then I left and that see photos of myself of it. Are you look like an idiot. So as I write with its long I can either have a dime or tied up. That's it. And that was my thought process behind it. And then I started growing it out which is if anyone's done that and have a master appreciation for women now, it is a pain in the ass growing out your hair. Like an actual pain in the ass you go through so many phases everyone's like, oh you'll get this one phase where it looks terrible. There's like seven or eight parts just like I have to wear a cap. I have to wear hair bands. I can't quite tight back yet. So I have to like that and Slick it back and look like a Spanish person for a while. There's all those stages that little tells you. But yeah, but then with that the comparisons to the character Thor specifically Chris Hemsworth store, not the Not necessarily the car to the car tutor in the comic started coming up and I was like, oh that's kind of cool. You know, I've never really had a cool nickname Thor's pretty cool making I'm in the coolest thing happened was obviously I've always been into comics and stuff. That's if anyone knows me that's that's evident, but It I started doing this thing called Thor's day. I'm the kind of concept of Thor's they came from me being just an absolute nerd and looking up why we use the words of the week. You know, why they where they came from was like, why do we call it Monday what it called Tuesday? And what I Googled it turns out it's all from Norse mythology. So Thursday is literally Thursday. Tuesday is tears day. Wednesday was wounds day, which is Odin is Odin and so on and so forth. So I was like that's kind of cool. I'll teach people that about this and I had the hammer had this like camera that I got from over in England. I took photo and just hashtag Thursday. And it just blew up. Yeah, it was ridiculous. And with that, I mean obviously a lot of cool things happen from that but the best thing about it was the fact that kids and parents with kids with cystic fibrosis, which is what I have which I think we're going to be talking a little bit about more later started saying all this is so cool. My kid thinks Thor has cystic fibrosis. I thought this is cool. I can actually really make Make use of this. So I started posting up front of me taking my nebulizer switch to the medication I take for my CF. Thank me with the idea that if okay. I hear taking them. I hated taking them when I was a kid if I saw any superhero, I'm recording here. It's and I realize it's an audible thing. But Ricky can say yes. I'm recording in the video. If I if they can see a Superhero taking what they hear to taking it might make it a bit easier for them to take it and it may be a good bargaining tool. Or for parents for kids here a little bit resistant. Like I was to taking the nebulizer, so I'll put that up and yeah, it got just genuinely the best decision I ever made hmm that when it comes to social media was just doing that be a fast forwards sorry. No, but I was going to say I did just you do that very well on social media and anyone who would observe your social media having not known you at all. There would be a little bit. Okay. This is a fully grown man. Dresses up as Thor and it's very very easy to make a judgment on that. But then when you read into the reasons why I know exactly what you've just said, they're like, it's such a powerful message and it's basically again in a nutshell I dress up as for because it helps children take life-saving medicine. I mean that's I mean, you know that that goes beyond, you know, hashtag influencer can you know hashtag fan? That's an actual reason to become you can plan for that. You know, you don't you don't turn 15 16 your teacher and school last year. What do you want to do? You said I want to dress up as a superhero to help children, like nobody nobody sets out to do that. That's something you your kind of accidentally find. Yeah. And you know, I'm a big fan of the saying like your mask becomes your message or your biggest p and as your biggest reason why this week you're obviously spoke about you know cystic fibrosis and we will talk about that but kind of will talk about securing cystic fibrosis and I and a bit about you. So tell people who might not be too aware of you who you are and high CF players such a rule in your life. So I obviously been much you've probably heard that already. I'm 29 years old. I'm from Belfast Northern Ireland. Ireland has many people like to confuse it with that. We're better friends the arm and I resent me here knowing that entertain and I have been in the fitness industry now for nearly 10 years. I originally I sucked at school to be honest. I'm not wasn't because I wasn't intelligent which I believed I wasn't for a long. Time it's because I just didn't I wasn't interested in what I was doing and I feel like a lot of people actually had a conversation with an opt for this topic. A lot of people who go through the school system and don't feel like they who don't do well and that type system commonly thinking am I dumb like am I not that intelligent but it's until I find the things I really enjoyed that I realize. Okay, maybe I maybe I'm not as stupid as I thought I was but my original passion was leaving schools film and video. I wanted to be in the process of making films. I wanted to be a director. I just loved the whole the whole industry and I still very much do its lucky enough to get working on a couple of projects. I worked on this little show Game of Thrones just a wee indie film. Yeah part of achieving a yeah a couple people not many people have but work on that which was It was hell to be honest. It sucks. I met some very nice people there, but I met some very odd. Nice people there the what did you do in Great Game of Thrones? Because everyone know I listen to this it's going to be like, oh my God, what episodes have you been in? So I was an assistant director which sounds incredible but it's possibly to delay dolls. Yeah. I basically looked after the crew sort of the crew the cast And the extras so basically the be some days where I was sometimes I was riling up crowds to make them excited about something that wasn't happening. There's other situations where I was sitting with the mountain. No though the horned they dude Joffrey. I was also Joffrey standing for a lot of scenes soul in a Headley had to do a couple of lines at me. While they waited for the guy Jackie, please Joffrey to get ready. So I'm standing or sitting and getting talked at by Flynn had they were she's doing her lines. Oh, well, that's good to sit on the Iron Throne quite a lot. It was cool because they use me basically standing is someone who just sits in the position. The app is going to be and they like you they get the audio they get the focus pulled on you and then they swap you over but the afternoon so how long ago was all this? I was 2000 and What I mean, 2010 or 11, I think okay. Yeah, it's been it's been a while but it's actually on set. I'm not where I was miserable and I was speaking to one of the extras who's playing a Dothraki and it was a day that Jason Momoa was there and Jason I think was his first gig like proper gig and he was quite nervous and you want to make sure he's getting everything right? This is me and saying listen handset, by the way that day. I was like this dude's dick like it's so versatile. Is taking so long like every time he did one take you'd run off. His shot is spot near uncheck the VC and ask the director for thing instead of just waiting to get directed from the spot. He would run off and then everyone moved it was just adding to our day. I was speaking to a Dothraki extra and I was like, so what are you doing? He's like I'm personal trainer as like, what's up? He's a guy help people the gym, you know, I basically had to train all the time and it's like it's like yeah, it sounds like a typical PT. I just had a dream although and he said yeah, you know, you look like you're in good shape. You should give it a go yourself and like yeah, alright girl, like helping people trained like training myself. It's very important for my health then yeah, I was kind of it, you know, that was again. That's a very brief story of it, but that's kind of her start in the fitness industry and best Never miss. Yeah, so there's actually after that. We probably met after that because I don't know if it was your your first job and Fitness First cones water was yeah. Yeah. So I remember you command. I was the studio manager at the time teaching all the classes you come in as the you know, the the personal trainer fitness instructor for this. Yeah, I understand in person training after that. I saw back in the days and I will drop in my audience will love this that a little known fact about you which probably isn't on social media that much as you actually did the two-day initial module training for Les Mills bodypump describe that in a couple of words. He'll so let's send me word. I need I can still I can still remember his me and my friend Johnny we both did that course and I think I'm not making excuses for myself, but I give it my best which I always do but I was I was still recovering from having a decreased lung function again. I'm not making excuses because I freaking hate them to be honest, but But I just remember thinking this is really really hard and the the nights that we finished because the two day course we did a nice bath in my parents and my parents are still living with parents at the time and it got to the point where we had like a hot shower on and we had the ice bath and we're just swapping Swap and Swap and swapping and it was horrendous. She's like just the pain would not leave our legs at all go back and do it. Again. This is terrible for played anyone who does this as a job? Thanks. Thanks. So, right you've touched on it quite a few times. We'll catch up with you kind of what your Fitness business looks like noise. So just what and you and I have spoke quite openly about this before we started recording. What what is CF because they'll be a lot of people like me with a very very limited understanding so and my understanding basically comes from being friends with you and following Your journey on social media and you know, obviously before social media kind of new bits and pieces for me it is you have reduced lung function and I know like basically nothing else. So they'll be a lot will be a lot of people like me. So you've got reduced lung function tell me what CFS and how it affects you. Okay. So cystic fibrosis is a genetic illness would takes both of your parents to carry the cystic fibrosis Gene to for a child to have it. So I've got an older brother who doesn't have it. He's got one. Carrot copy of the gene. There's me who got both copies of the Gene and my sister whom we got one copy of the gene. So, I'm the only one of the three he was lucky enough to get that sweet CF. I'm basically in essence. It's the production of sodium affects the production of sodium within the body and the regulation of sodium in the body so sodium and it affects the mucus within the body so mucus is like the oil of the car it affects the interest. Well that car runs the oil for the mucus within your body someone without cystic fibrosis is much like the water you're drinking right now. It's if you swirl it around in the glass it moves very free in that glass some with cystic fibrosis that glass or the mucus within that glass would be a lot much. Well be more like PVA glue or wallpaper paste. That's a lot Slicker and lot harder to move. That makes a lot of internal processes harder for the body. But the biggest thing it does is that that mucus is a great place for bacteria to grow so that because in your chest and let's say you get a chest infection the bugs get in your chest you feel the crap for a couple days you cleared out with some antibiotics that you take all the way through because no one's stupid and doesn't finish not about of course. Yeah, and But then you're fine. Whereas with some with cystic fibrosis the bone skin to that mucus and they make make a flip in base camp in there. It's very hard to clear that up because you imagine like trying to get in underneath again underneath that mucus to the left it out. It's very difficult because it's so sticky and thick where's yours is just so clear and wants to move so that basically happens if you get chest infection. The bugs it's in your lung tissue, then destroys them tissue if it sits there for too long, I'm treated and then this process happens again and again and again and again and again and then you basically lose your lung tissue, which means then you need to get a lung transplant but being because cystic fibrosis is a genetic illness. It has very it has a lot of different mutations. So I've got the most common mutation which affects fifty percent of the people with CF but there's loads of Other variations of this because its genetic some people have like myself. I have pancreatic deficiency. So my friend Kris doesn't produce like this, which is the enzyme that breaks down fat. So a lot of people CF before these pancreatic enzymes Ricky consider a lot of people passed away because of malnutrition malnourishment, so they couldn't they literally couldn't digest fat. Okay Evil's got CF related diabetes because if that's Yes. Yeah. Luckily. I have that. There's a whole host. Is there anything you can think of that would you know be enough enough that you get brittle bones you get reduced growth. So I'm my dad's 6 2 and 5 you like so, you know, there's that height think is basically growing up. You cannot absorb into my home, you know, you can take your tablets that does do it to a certain degree, but I'm not going to get as much nutrition as someone else would be like, you know, if I can optimize it. I'm still probably gonna get by 95 at the Percent of what I put into my body or as you get 100. Yeah, and that's that's kind of in a nutshell. That's what CF is again. It's it's so varied. There's not like a mild form of it. There's not a severe form of it. It's just it's just it is what it is. And I just try to do my best to manage the variables that I can control and that's going my approach to for those listening who maybe haven't seen ban ban is in if you don't mind me saying incredible. Both aesthetically and from a conditional point of view so I know you've done, you know quote on quote bodybuilding shows. I'm very I'm not very good with the names of those but I also know their level of conditioning you put yourself through just some standard jam session. Like if you were to enter some sort of CrossFit competition, I'm sure you would do quite well in the net cord so your level of fitness and you're both like I said functional can use that word and aesthetic. It's that In for people with CF or are have you made a move to make yourself? That way I've definitely made myself. I kind of trying to get that. It's definitely not a common thing with people cystic fibrosis. In fact, there's some people who I mean I regularly get this comment. I can't believe you're like this with CF. How did you do this with it with CF and I was like, well, I just treat myself like everyone else like I'm not an alien my muscles still response stress recovery nutrition. She like everyone else. Yeah, that's the mindset. I had going into a cement that I have for going into anything that I'm no different than anyone else and if someone else can do something and that I'm gonna damn well give it my best shot and I didn't realize that was the mentality I had until literally couple months ago. I was listen to a book. I think it's one of the Tony Robbins books and it was just talking about that and he said there's some people who genuinely believe that they can do anything. They want. I was like, yeah actually cut off the way I think you know, if I think if I see someone skateboarding for instance and they're doing these amazing tricks. I'm like first of all that's flipping impressive. I appreciate anyone who does anything to high level and his endless passion about it. But I also think if I did that if I spent the amount of time that that person's been doing that I could probably do that too. That's not an arrogance thing at all. It's just he they have chosen to spend their time. I'm getting better at one thing. I have chosen might get better something else. And if I swap those around there's no reason why I couldn't be at the same level as what they are. I genuinely do believe that and I obviously just some people have genetic advantages like also Michael Phelps lactate system doesn't work like everyone else he could beat it, you know, so there's things like that where you restricted but Yeah, my thought process behind it is if I can do this so can so can anyone else and that's one of the biggest reasons why I always stayed natural and never never touched anything that would that would not allow me to say this message honestly because as soon as I did that I just feel like I couldn't speak to parents in the same way. I couldn't I just couldn't deliver the message that I wanted to deliver. If I ever went on a route that would be deemed as Not cheating isn't cheating at all. It's just something that could you can do naturally essentially and at there's nothing that I've achieved that anyone else in this planet kind of Chief if they are able-bodied, but that's the mindset and took into and that's the message. I'm trying to give people cystic fibrosis is yes, you have been given this diagnosis, but don't let someone else's limits dictate yours. The doctors have tried to do that to me or my life. And if it's even got to the point where they challenge me and what I was doing and I literally looked up and went effing look at me I swear but I was so angry. I was like it was going through that kind of I think it was the period where I was transitioning from careers as well. So I was pretty Best this almost childlike Alan Jamie and and how healthy I won't ever let you taking creatine that stuff bad for its beauty come up with a proof to when this one says that way that anything supplement. Like I basically yelled at them saying like look at me. I'm clearly doing something right you guys should be listening to me. I shouldn't listen to you again that sounded so arrogant. But at the time I was like no I don't like this. Like these people should be listen to me. I'm clearly doing something right and yet there have been having a go at me taking creating as I do you understand what co-creating works. I do. Here's how it works. Like all the Bulls a protein too bad for your liver and kidneys show me the papers that I actually said that to her. I was like show me these papers to prove that. I will sit here with takes you five hours. I'll be sitting here waiting to show me show me those papers and she's just like and then walked off and hit them right get out of here. Yeah. Everyone's an expert on until they're proven wrong. Yeah until you know science is correct until logic proves it wrong as well. I read that coke yesterday. I think it was not hard at all. No, the other kind of thought I absolutely love that. It's so grown up as a child, you know when your teenage years and obviously this is such a part of your life were. Where there are opportunities that you want? Being given or things that maybe at that point you thought you couldn't do because of CF. Yep, school sports sports or something. I never really go to participate in because I was too small because I've always been naturally link. I'll never pretend that. I wasn't anything but lie, she's always very lean and but skinny, it wasn't like a nice sleep. Not the lenient for in our days. That meant that I was extremely light in school. I was fast. I was very very nippy and intend that thankfully but that never allowed me to get on any would be teams. So I mean I went to every single practice. I tried my best to get on those teams and prove that I could do what everyone else could do, but they just never picked me because this they just I think that it's Ami's. Too small I simply because I just couldn't build muscle that time. You know, I had testosterone wasn't wasn't my best friend yet. So I just could actually couldn't do that and that really really not my confidence. In fact, it still has a like a lasting effect on me to this day that it makes me but it's a positive thing because it makes me appreciate every single thing every single compliment every single opportunity that I get. Physically as well even being seen as the big guy. I'm like, wow. That is it guys it still affects me. It's still like I still take up like so positively I'm just like I'm so cool. I'm not that guy. Like I was never that guy and it's almost like that skinny kid slashed early teenager is still in me, and he said he's been able to like take all this and be like, Well, okay. This is a this is cool. All this work that you've put in is has been it's been worth it. So it's giving me such an appreciation for everything that again. So I was going to ask about the medicines that you have to take on a daily basis weekly basis monthly basis. I think you go for check-ups. So what does that all look like? So again for me because of how I've looked after myself and my health is my number one priority. The medications I take is very small compared to some others. Okay. In fact that actually said this someone someone on social media. They asked me what medication I take and I told her she is like, oh wow, I is that it was like, yeah. It's and she's like, I've never heard of someone taking that for your medications. She's like and I was expecting her to kind of get a bit. That pissed but she wasn't fair play. Like that's amazing that you should be so proud of that was like, oh I feel because people say F can take things too personally, but at the moment I did. Excuse me, creating creating forsake Madison. I take this medicine. I take crayon. That's why you know what it is. Even if it says here, it's Creon and then prank react Kratom, which is why I gotta just mix those two words together. And Creon is essentially digestive enzymes to you could get them if you needed them, but it's specifically high in life is because that's obviously what my body doesn't produce. So I take those with every meal obviously if it's got more fat in it I take more of them. I take vitamins as well because obviously my pancreas doesn't produce bleep is that means I don't absorb the vitamins a d and K the fat soluble vitamins as well as others. So people get naturally on my Foods as easily as you would so take those and then on the last thing I take which is crazy and I'm so proud of the hot shortness lister's is my nebulizer, which I take one nebulizer called. Which is it's pretty much like an inhaler. So anyone who's got asthma it's not that old blue one. You take to visit dilators opens up. Your Airways gives you a bit of a light head. Sometimes if you haven't taken a while and then the second one to take is something called poems. I nordine. He's slow different names for these things and what it does. This is amazing. It goes into the mucus like a you inhale it obviously as a gas it gets into the lungs and it breaks down the mucus at a cellular level and actually Alters the DNA. Of the mucus to make it more viscous so I can clear it up. I had not said I've just jotted down a question here, but it's so why was why so few medicines do you think that's because you're just you know, lucky with CF or because of the way you live your life in terms of training and nutrition. I've always hated the word lucky when it comes to see if yeah, because it implies that there's this magic mothers that there's magic kind of making sure that their Castle spell on him he is not stable top of it's not it's not like it's While there is some Fortune I'll have to say that. There's it's been my hard work and my hard work but intelligent work because sometimes the most intelligent thing to do is not work hard. It sounds really silly. But like that's like for instance yesterday. I was broken from doing that crossfit workout and then playing I play flag American football and I'm like 29, I feel it. I feel it the next day like my hips my lower back. I did a lot of running and a lot of sidestepping. Lot of movements, you can't really replicate in the gym or they're very hard to replicate in a gym. So the next day I was like my soul. I thought you know what, you know stubborn kind of maybe younger less-experienced me would have been like screwed going to go to the gym. You've got a day to go to the gym go dirt. Where's know the intelligent me is just like right your body's sore just jump on the assault bike and do 20 minutes nice and relaxed. Just get your hips moving get your back loosened up through some foam rolling. So sometimes hard work isn't the best work. It's smart work. That's not that message. But yeah, I think it's a mix. I mean there's obviously some say luck in the fact that I maybe have bumped into someone who has a chest infection. Who did I get that from it's not really, you know, then everyone's lucky about since like saying, oh, you're lucky to get hit by a falling piece of debris today like it's Yeah, that's just it just happened at or it doesn't happen. Yeah. Yeah locks relative. It's are you in a position to take advantage of what life kind of gives you so I was just I was just curious, you know, if somebody who knows a lot more about CF than me obviously is surprised by why you take so few medicines was just wondering how much of that is natural and how much of that is because of what you've manifested and your life by way of of your training and all that. I mean my my entire life including my career revolves around my health being the number one priority, which that that means that I don't work early because that means I get sleep. You know, the sleep is something that I will push and push and push until the day. I die. People do not get enough sleep honest just a simple thought like people to see it definitely is mentality nowadays that are the less sleep. You get the more of a hard worker you are I mean you look at The Rock The Rock for example, he's a fantastic room one, but the one thing I freaking hate that he pushes his team no sleep and he step 3, aren't you getting up to go to the gym? Yeah fair enough, but you Probably taken stuff that well, I mean, I really guarantee he's taking things that other people aren't taking. He's also a millionaire so he gets all his meals made for him. He gets a private plane. So he probably sleep on that plane. I mean, have you tried to sleep in a commercial for the playing for it's not this mentality Dawn to the again. I have absolutely loved the rock. He's incredible person, but That's one of them and he's like the kind of biggest social media role model really notice and he's got such a powerful brand that whatever he says a lot of people take a be like right. I'm Dave. I'm a plumber. I work 9:00 to 6:00 at night and I go and trained team. No sleeping only get three are sleeping still here grinding your like you haven't you're gonna die like a soda all the work you put into the gym means nothing if you can't sleep hmm because muscle doesn't grow in the gym it grows when you're at rest and when you're sleeping, so my biggest priority is the people get the adequate amount of sleep, and I genuinely think versus what As I am priority. Yeah, what's your philosophy and sleep then? Do you work in in hours and blocks wake up times or you know, I don't really have much I just make sure that I've always got the same as when I go to bed. I'm like okay to have anything on tomorrow. What time do I have to get up? What time will that how long will that get me to sleep? And as long as I get at least seven seven and a half hours, I'm good. If I can get more than that, I will take it. If I don't need to get up, I will get up. I will let my body rest and again for years. I just feel like I might just being lazy like is this just me being like all motivated to get up with like no, it's just me being smart. Like if I can do this, that means I can maybe squeeze her in after three years down the line so that you know, yeah, I'm not looking. I'm actually by losing time. I'm getting time if that makes sense and Sons Sons kind of strange but but no II and the one thing I'm very good I sleep. I sleep very well which again I know a lot of people struggle with but there's so many tips that you can you can you can take on board to help that process of sleeping properly, but that I'm so similar to you. Just you know, give me a quieter. It doesn't even need to be a quiet room. Give me a seat in a busy room and I'll be a sleeping with that commercial flight you just described. I'm the guy who's asleep before the plane even moves. I am not here to London here, too. I like a like. Yeah II wakes me up is the plane landing. Yeah, and it could be like Midway through the day. It could be any time of day and I'm just out for a long time but then long-haul flights little bit different but I've got a I've got a good tip that I'll tell you after the podcast. I am excited for that. I said, I'm very keen because I know when you I know you have your own podcasts you've been on a lot of podcasts you've done a lot. I didn't read your probably chat a lot about acessories fibrosis and higher yet affects your life and has affected your life. So I'll just I don't want to ask you a lot of the same questions. So I'm going to try my dad slightly differently. Like what's the best thing about living with cystic fibrosis? Everything is so many answers to this which is something I didn't think I'd ever have definitely gives you a massive appreciation for life in general our sons. So wishy-washy, but I don't care. People don't appreciate and again. This is me included people don't appreciate the things I have until they're gone and luckily. It doesn't take much for me to get into that mindset of like, okay just appreciate this. Like I'll be over walking early and I'll just sit I was hit me. I'll just be like, I'm so darn glad I can I can walk I can breathe and I don't have to panic about how long this walks going to take because I have to be back for some time or even the fact that I can. walk as long as I want without feeling like I'm going to collapse which a lot of people that's a real that's reality to them. And it makes me not it's probably me a really laid-back person. I think it's definitely made me more light by persons that my mom describe me as like so obviously she's got two sons my older brother and myself and my older brother is very highly strung and stressful and she's just like, I don't think I've ever seen Benjamin. She goes my bedroom like stressed like it's very rare, they'll seem stressed because it just I just thought the mentality if it's not going to matter and You know five hours that we spend five seconds on it. Like it's just yeah get on with it. Stop sweating about the Small Things realistically if I asked you about this five days later, you're going to be like, what was that word? What was I talking about? What was I thinking about like it that's reality. So I just think you know shit happens get over it. I think that five or run is going to be the title of this podcast if it's not going to happen in five hours to spend the next five seconds where I know but we're just gonna podcast title. All right, so I want to jump into your Fitness business. I know you've been on a massive journey in the fitness industry from working with Year from observing it before social media, and I obviously with social media. So what's going on with their mods and be more and your Fitness business. Some say started as most people start off working in the gym working a commercial gym, which if you are starting as a PT just working a commercial gym. Don't think that you're do not go and work in an independent gym. Go to commercial gym. Learn the ropes there and you will if you stay in a commercial gym, there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. They're the best places for PTSD grow. So that's one thing I said, but anyone who's a PT listen to this Start off their fight just as love training people. I love seeing people progressing. I've always have like I love seeing people being passionate about things but the best thing about it is making people happy or not sounds so cheesy, but my number one priority of all my clients and I say this thing every single time is that they are happy and that your happiness doesn't necessarily come from being in better shape, aesthetically. It could be little things like someone saying oh you look, you know, you look nice in that dress today or that t-shirts. That's a nice t-shirt. Where'd you get that from? You know, it's little tiny things all the people those people that when they tell me this I'm like, that's great. I was so good to hear. I love that. That's the thing, you know while seeing measurements everything going on about yes. That's the kind of progress driven PT and me, but that personality PTA me the personal trainer me is seeing people happier and even just speaking to them on the phone and hearing them something happier is Like it's just the best thing for me. I always loved I'm just going to drop it. I always love you. So your client will come to you to you know, quote unquote lose weight and tone up so you do everything to get them to lose been to a not bind the you'll get the before and after pics you'll get the measurements and might be lifting more in the gym. But I always loved it. You know, when you get that text message that says, you know band you're a dick. I just had to spend 500 points on a new wardrobe because they're never expecting that and I know that Come with a lot of a lot of clients. Yeah, but I never prepare them for that. I just I just wish it just wear it because that's that's the lightbulb moment to me. It's kind of like, you know her Hallelujah. That is the absolute moment that you know, you're not taught about that when you do your level 2 or level 3. No, not at all. Yeah. I said I love doing that but then I realized very quickly it was when I was is when I was working at Fitness first leg of sick for the first time and had to be hospitalized. So I second time and that meant three weeks of being Hospital on IVs. Which thankfully, I was employed by Fitness First back then when they actually had Fitness instructors and so I was getting sick pay but then I moved on to being a full-time PT. I realized women if I'm not in the gym I can get paid. So that's why I started looking at online coaching and online coaching has been an incredible tool for me it unfortunately kind of takes away the personal part for me a little bit. So I do what I can to make it as personal Spa pool or that's FaceTime calls voice notes. I try and voice know. I'm a big voice note fan because it just makes things a little while firstly it's faster. And you feel like you're conversing with the person. I'm just text script writing. I try to keep the personal training in online training. But yeah, I realized that if I was an online coach, it means that I can be anywhere in the world. I don't mean like sitting on a beach. I mean like anyone in the world. My anywhere in the world was in a hospital Ward son's glamorous and I could still be earning money. Still looking after my house, you know pay my mortgage looking after my wife, you know looking after my dog I can still do all those things I need to do. And then I quickly realized like, you know, this is actually this is allowed me to work with people who I could never work with which includes people with cystic fibrosis because obviously well, obviously the thing with cystic fibrosis is that we can't come in contact with each other because of the chance of them or myself having a bug that myself or they don't have so the chance of then cross infection which then causes that book to become very powerful like it involves like a freaking Pokémon. That's very very dangerous. So we cannot work on a personal level. Which isn't your problem you probably say yeah by my face. I didn't know that. So just repeat that you can't be in the same room as somebody else with CF with For which as you can imagine create a whole level of paranoia? Which is something you don't really think about until now you're thinking about it. You're like, oh, yeah, it does that mean when you're in public you have to worry about who stand beside you in a queue. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So that's a whole other level CF that I am affected by more than the physical thankfully my fact about the mental so but yeah, and then the last couple of months really last year I decided that I was going to really double down and working with people cystic fibrosis. And the reason why I didn't do it for so long is because I was scared I was honestly scared of working with people CF because I knew that was going to have to deal with a lot of tragedies and deaths and you know people who would come to me thinking I was like this Masonic figure that is going to be able to bring them from excellent function to you know, why wrong from Lumber? Mostly the damage has been done with a lot of people CF and they love functions can go back up. Again. That's me saying that if you listen to us and you can see a that doesn't mean that can happen. I've done before my lung function went from 66% to know a hundred and one so, yes, it can be done. But yeah, there's different things. But yeah, I was scared of getting fully into that industry or fully into that kind of niche market because oh yeah, I was scared. I was scared. my own mental health, but then I realized that by me not doing this. I'm taking away such a positive impact on people or such a positive thing to people that I'm going to help so many more people than then I can't see if if that makes sense. Yeah. So the amount of people I've helped my with these cystic fibrosis plans and what I've got planned is even cooler. So the next six months of being a going to be working towards something which I am so damn excited for I think the CF Community. I don't think so. It's not ready for but it's it's never going to it's going to be like, oh, wow. How's this not existed before so it's the kind of big thing. I'm looking forward to high marks. How do you tell us about that? Because that that sounds really good. Yeah. So basically I'm not going to tell you. So I'll say it's going to be called see a strength. Okay, that's that's the website's name and it will be. It'll be something to CF Community doesn't have yet, but not only people who want the train it's going to be for mothers whose kids have just been born with CF who don't know where to turn who want to be speaking to people and seeing people who are successful with cystic fibrosis. So it gives them something that which is in my opinion. The most priceless commodity the people that have or asset is hope you cannot put a price on that the amount of messages I've gotten from people. It is incredible that they've said my kids just being born with CF. I Googled CF I just got all this life expectancy long functions the death from Witten to get lung transplant liver transplant all these things. It's not as free but it's pretty Doom Gloom and that they found me and I men's health or men's fitness cover and they're like, oh Okay, so it's not all doom and gloom there's this like there's this bit of Hope. Basically, I want the website to be helping people like that and lots of other things but that's kind of the thing I love and I love that if I can ask. So you've you've always lived with this you've always had people with cystic fibrosis gravitating towards you rather that's from a fitness and health. You know, let's go to the gym that's workout point of view or Thinking more about social media and that regards or you've had Mom message in you about their their new child. So why why not? Why are you not afraid now? I could because you use that word. Why are you afraid right now? I mean fear is kind of not knowing really isn't it's just not knowing what what it is and I just sat down myself and thought right. What am I actually scared of? What is it that I'm scared of and in all honesty. This is it was my own mental well-being because every time someone from the CF Community dies, which is unfortunately way too regularly hits me like a ton of bricks and I get this huge survivor's guilt that comes along with that which again a lot of people don't don't even think about that. for every person who dies I think Why am I still here? What what why why did that family have to lose their son their daughter their something, you know, their their brother their sister why it's not it's not fair. But then I realize that that's a small percentage very very small percentage of people who died and well unfortunately not that small but this is one aspect of it and There's so much. I was scared of my the minority when I wasn't thinking about the majority of all the people I could help the amount of messages the message I've had in terms of you've helped me do this or I'm going to the gym now because of you or I got a message the other day from a nurse who works in the CF watching I says my patients in my words are not far more active because of you. They're not exercising because of you someone sent me a picture of me. On the cover of men's fitness pinned up in Canada in this Children See effort on the on their little like play board as amazing. That's like that's like Ike I have no shame in saying I cry nearly every time I see something like that because it's just the most incredible. Feeling in the world to think that I'm just doing what I deem is necessary for my own health and people are it's changing people's lives and changing perceptions of this illness, but not only that it's raising awareness for this illness. So it's the yeah getting a little emotional not good, but I like it. I like it because it's very easy to choose a niche in this world for the You know one goal of let's make as much money as possible. And yeah people might get results people might not get results as long again. Yeah, as long as they pay me at the end of the month, you know business is happening. So I think you're I wouldn't even call it a nice your calling as such and I think your reasons why whether it's not I whether it was six years ago. I think they're absolutely perfect. So you were sadness website. That's Platform six months did you say? Yeah, but it happens that's not launching until it's where it needs to be. I wanted to be exactly where I wanted to be before anything goes out. So that's just content building in the moment and hello whom together people who I want to be involved with it. And I know you have a community live and active right now. Mmm. Yep. So I've got a Facebook group, which is getting the names going to be changing, but it's the CF system. Was this health and fitness page? It's a private group of people who are affected by cystic fibrosis doesn't need to be you need to have it. It can be people who could be people who just want to know that more about it, but generally speaking to people who are affected by in their family is affected by other. You know how people who join in they say/i say what relationship to CF and they're like, oh my grandson has a or there's a kid in my class. I'm a teacher who has and I want to learn a bit more about it. Nothing else Flippin awesome that teachers going to that level just for some student said People need to be in skills. Yeah, it's incredible that's throwing every day, which is absolutely incredible it about although obviously put all the information about that and you in the show notes. So it's really really cold. So talk to me you're sitting there you're were in the be more t-shirt tell me about be more. What's the concept? So it's something I've been working. I've been very lucky to work with clothing companies over the last Seven years and I always had in my mind as I could be--could make my own t-shirts. It's it's nice that I'm representing these companies some of them I'm because I'm wearing something someone else wants to work, but that's cool to me as I but it'd be nice if it was like personal to me on the message was personal to me and I basically I decided right. I don't want to be working with any schooling. Companies for not I'd rather make something my own and it was one day I was sitting with my friend who all he owns a clothing company as well. He's helped me out. So thank you to Matt brought me over this we're talking he said oh, what do you want to do? You want the logo to be as like, I don't know like Do you want to be your name and was like no. No. No, I don't want to be my damn. That's far too egotistical. I just it's a BM people know it will know that it stands for my initials. But if people don't she's two letters, it's fine. I was like, yeah because BM can start for anything you can be like, you know, be more was like Huh? That sounds kind of girl like that. That's as I cousin. That's kind of that and kind of capsule eights me as a person like And on so many it applies to so many aspects of life. You know, it's so easy to just do the bare minimum, but the people who do well in life, they do more like they become more and you get scared of that question of like do you want to be more in your life than just what either you or someone else has said that you were going to be so for instance me? I'm supposed to be this person with CF that that that's it. I was like no screw. That won't be more than just just that personal CF. I want to be Thor I want to be the fittest person in the room. I want to be I want to make sure that in every aspect of my life. I want to become more than what other people think and what I think so that's kind of where the message of be more responsible your comes from behind me. I sent them launched it. Two months ago. Maybe he reached out to me about them, which I really appreciate and I think I saw I sent them to stray Leah America a little to come to America Canada Mexico South Korea. Germany you can tell I'm of these because I wrote them myself. I do all the her dress myself Holland the Netherlands. Sorry loads went to England front believe not France is the most expensive place to send early for us. I know I was like, okay Australia strapped in here how much that's gonna cost. Oh, Okay cool. And then front circus is going to be like, you know to through good I'll be sixth grade knows like what has come over get it themselves. But yeah, it's not it's it's Madness. That's - oh still need to get old and order the hoodies. I think when I went on for one of the hoodies that then it was common up Brazil. Yeah pretty seal. And then there was another one I saw was a wasn't a size the size of yeah. I need to get on get me Rudy from you because I think their curls, you know for well, obviously put it in the show notes, but for people who don't know it's I like it because it's you know that this is a guy thing. It's high neckline which makes your chest look big and it's branding right across the center of your chest. So just a big baby more and then you've got the thorsday top as well the Thursday's logo and it's just right across some metal and it's big and it's bold and there's even yes. Designs as well. I'm like yellow is my color. So that said are the three I'll be buying look forward to that. Absolutely. That's a one owner detect quickly about training because there was one thing you documented this absolutely fantastic. I want to say four months five months ago. You've touched on it briefly already when you had a / result about what your lung function was. Yes, then you had to basically have a word with yourself go. Go through a protocol to get that lung function back. So, you know, it described that briefly if you can so basically it was beginning of this year my lung functions drop. So basically to give people an understanding of lung function someone my age weight and height without cystic fibrosis is 100% on the scale. So if you cloned me that Condon up CF he should have 101 function mine. I got mine up to a hundred percent of our vehicles anything lady. Eight percent on the drop back down to like 82 percent, which is again, why did it drop down? You know, I think I didn't feel that good. I've had a bit of a cold. My training had been more based on Aesthetics than Athletics which again was just it was just a vanity Cricket in there is also coming out of the window period which is always rough for people cystic fibrosis because everyone gets sick during winter reduce sunlight, you know waking up in the dark going to bed at darkness is not good for your mental health either including vitamin D consumption. So everyone gets sick. So dropped out and I said 82% is something it's a very high long for lung function percentage for people cystic fibrosis. In fact someone in that group just competencies 24 in his lung functions here 25% She's terrified. Yeah. So I was like right this needs to change and I need to do I know I can do more to get this up. So it's Percy. I'm going to work. So I did everything I could I increase more my fitness Fitness training sessions. So I was right I was like, okay, it's easy to do bodybuilding session today. That's what I want to do. What I need to do is a mark on something that gets my lungs really working and clears up any that mucus that may be potentially sitting down there. Ultimately. We just generally more active so it's like right I'm gonna set a set them on the steps that I need to hit and genuinely got to the point where I was like standing in my living room and my living room to my front of the house isn't that big so but I would literally Pace it very looking at my watch being like, okay, there's 10,000 to take like 20 minutes, but I get it done and then I also went over to England to visit a guy called. Breath coach who basically taught me how to breathe correctly and it sounds so stupid when you say up at the age of 29. Yeah operate I guarantee if you're sitting listen to this if you put your hand on your chest on your stomach your chest going to be raising a lot more in your stomach. I'm God literally doing it now for the podcast. That's nice. Yeah. See maybe you get out at your chest will raise more. You said most people's yeah, most people chest breathe the like pull into the chest and their stomachs there is literally this simple you look at a kid breathing whose stomachs like a little bit like a little child like my nephew. He's at Walker. I was we belly out but it's not as belly. It's just his stomach is diaphragmatic expansion through his stomach. Soon as you get the adulthood or not, even Mega soon as you get to child age where vanity or looks become a thing self-consciousness cover comes with time. What do you do suck your stomach in so then therefore you can't get full diaphragmatic expansion because breathing diaphragmatic Ali makes your stomach huge and that's a simple as that is not deemed as nice looking so people don't do they breathe through the chest which means they're only getting this upper portion of their lungs with oxygen look like they're they can't is very Get all the way down to the bottom. So basically this guy taught me how to breathe properly how to sit and control my breathing and not only that he took me through a breathing exercise, which I'm not joking it felt like I went to a different dimension. It was incredible. I just was just me. It was just you know, how to my chest and my stomach is that right Bri through here hold for 3 seconds breathe out through the liver all these amazing breathing techniques that I could have been there for 30 seconds also could have been there for 30 minutes. I have no concept of time whatsoever. My brain would all these different like that's the best way to explain it is like going to like different realities. I was just I know when I woke up I should like I felt like I was high. On this and that's just from breathing. It was incredible, but that that, you know being more conscious of my breathing practicing those little tips you gave me came back on my lung functions went to a hundred and one percent under 1% Yeah. So I've got another one coming up on Friday. So I've got a I've got my nebulizer sitting right here ready to take that also added. So we do those long that increase in lung capacity. Was that solely from like the breath Coach or with did you make changes to your diet your lifestyle your training. Multi. Yeah, it's combination of things that wouldn't be dead. One thing like getting in shape is not as going to the gym or eating. It's going to this gym being consistent moving eating correctly rest incorrectly reducing stress. It's it's lots of little things that add up to one big thing. It's like I said the analogy it's like a puzzle. If you look at a puzzle and its individual pieces, it's just little pieces that don't really make sense. But then when you put them all together, it makes a beautiful piece of art and you are a beautiful piece of art that thank you very much. Just just before Friday's just conscious of time. I know you have your you've had a couple of different podcasts that you've done of your own. So what's going on in your own podcast space right now. So we've got Fitness myths simple, which is the podcast I run with my co-host Adam. We got two episodes. Surprisingly not surprisingly successful hunts kind of belittling ourselves, but very very well received. We said the capita 54 no put on the shelf for a little bit come back and revisit you season to just give ourselves a break. It was like as you know, it's like an episode every single week and human body doesn't change massively and we were doing a lot on exercise and nutrition not many interview so you can have the talk about the same things and different ways. Yeah. We'll just remember come steal and then the other podcast I'm running Again is what not again. I've started fresh is the be more podcast and it's basically a podcast for people with cystic fibrosis. And for people who want to learn another little bit more about cystic fibrosis, but the best thing about it is that I've said this all my life advice I give to people with cystic fibrosis is completely applicable to people without it. They are all the same things. That's what I said at the start of this. I am a person. I'm not an alien. I'm not a god of thunder. I am a person I'm all the principles. I do will apply to you and better your life as a normal person without cystic fibrosis. So yeah, if you want to listen to that, but I've been a little bit more about CF and I'm going to be speaking to people then the CF community. I'm going to get people on the CF who've done incredible things. So yeah, if you listen to a podcast that maybe just give you a little bit of insight into what it's like you get good information. And you know, what am I just inspire you to go and do something you've never done before? That's Carol. I'll I'll again I'll find damn I assume they'll be on iTunes and Spotify and all the rest. I'll stick them in the show notes. Yeah. I said we spoke about it just before we hit record a good friend of mine as specializes in cystic fibrosis, and she is a qualified doctor. These questions is are from dr. Kitty Patterson who is nigh based in Edinburgh spools. I should know the exact location. So I'll apologize for that in advance. So one of the one of the questions that really really intrigued me is is your choice of physical training exercise determine for what's best for your health or what you enjoy the most so I'm asking that because of what you just said about bodybuilding. And high like you enjoy that but you appreciate it might not be best for you at any given moment. Yeah, I mean, yes, it definitely does affect my choice and what I do, the one thing I will say is I've always maintained the mindset that you should but I want to look like an ornament but moving like an instrument Ah, that's one of my favorite sayings absolutely love ya. Like I want to look I think human body is The most impressive beautiful things to exist like I just think it's gorgeous. Like there's a reason why most art almost sculptures are of the human body because we it's just a fantastic piece of knowing nature but engineering and when you really understand how the body works you realize how little you understand about how the body works is just incredible things that are going on a microscopic level the tissues take for granted. So for me, like I always want to look like the statues and like Greek statues and like Hercules and all the kind of Greek athletes you'd see in this videos awesome poses. Like in the Olympic Games. I thought that's the that's the physique. I want to have so bodybuilding has always kind of been in the back of my mind, but I always thought I want that muscle to be functional. I want to be able to actually be able to use it and look like if someone picked me for their football team or their rugby team They're picking me because of how I look but then they also get what they expect from higher. Look if I make sense. Yeah, I'm afraid nothing worse than picking a guy he's jacked and if he runs like three feet, he's like come on dude, like work like that my training, you know, it's the one thing I'll say is like you have to enjoy your training. Otherwise, you're not going to want to go. So my response to training is one of my film this week, so I was doing full body. Were a couple weeks there mainly because I wasn't able to train as frequently as I'd like to I'm also them out to think about recovery for American football. So I think about all these things football use my thing. So I was just one big body part one big compound movement. Per muscle group. That's Adam loved it's great. We're training fantastic red training effect if you push your time and just want to get maximum results. But no eye has I trained with my friend Dan and Alex over the weekend. I'm like, well CrossFit this one. So today I want to go do CrossFit. So I'm going to do that. So my training literally does depend on what's going to get me to the gym because surely exactly the same thing as well, but people are some of this the hardest part but go to the gym is getting to the gym. Yeah. So as you there fine like it, that's the hard part done actually getting to the gym. Is the hardest part once you there just enjoy yourself for me. It's kind of a mix of I need to enjoy it. What's going to make me go but then I also need to do things that suck because that's what makes me better and oftentimes the things that you suck out of the things that are going to make you better and you avoid them because they suck which means you don't get better. So it's a horrible vicious cycle. But yeah, it's it's very good question. I know you got a new piece of furniture. And of the house, which is not working you watch your TV shows. I'm sure so what piece of furniture is that? Did you get up from Debenhams? Are there any big furniture shops? I think it might have been. Oh, yeah. Yeah the assault bike so you have a cult-like setting basically in your living room. Yeah. So we're moving or moving house in four weeks my wife and I and the garage finally got a garage. Yeah, so the characters getting turned into a gym, but I was like I want it not only my child was like no wait for 6 weeks old. I wanted nice. Oh, yes sitting in the living room. So myself and my wife do like 20 minutes a day. I stupidly did the other day. I was like right see how quickly I can do 250 calories on it. I saw that it wasn't 15 minutes. Was it? Yeah, 15 minutes. Yeah that's in see a for those who haven't really done a lot of work on assault bike show. You'll know two minutes on assault bike faders up wins that feels like an or it just it feels like you're pulling the world behind you or pushing the world in front of box. It's just an overall experience here is and this one The ones in my gym or quite light like that. It can move them very very much. This thing's at is things are beasts. I see when the fat is going it genuinely signs like it's so satisfying with sounds like a turbine boy. This thing's like like you can there's a second shelf thing in front of us in front of the in front of it and James had her birthday cards on they all display off that your party's over now. Anyway, I'm French sighs. Yeah, all he doesn't have a clue what's going on when you get onto the have seen a few I feel funny videos of that on your Instagram story. You're very very good argument that yeah fans and watching wonders what that is. Do not see try getting my lap. And so I've got a couple of finishing questions. The first one you've already answered. So it's what's next for bam. Obviously moving host and you've got the the website to look forward to. Yep. Very busy. Yeah, it's going to be a busy few months. Definitely. Are you doing the paddleboard again? Undetermined? Okay, that's good. That's twice now. Yeah, so to give people an idea what that is. It's part of boarding from Florida to the Bahamas. On a paddleboard how far it's 80 miles long with that tape and a paddle board first year. It took me 14 orders 14 and a half hours on the next time. We didn't finish it because of tragic events like this everyone on my boat got sick a guy got so sick that he had to get IVs on the boat. Which then we couldn't move because the paramedics had to find us I'll give him the IV's took 45 minutes to find us 45 minutes the administrative. He's 15 months. It will make sure he's okay and they just collapse into a ball. So obviously the decision of me push on and I was me and my friend Tong with the only two kind of Paddlers who were athletic enough and stubborn enough to keep going nowhere near experience. I was the most experienced one on my boat, which says a lot because the only time a bottle was the one last year. We just everyone can look to me like we go we go with what you say. They all looked at me. They were like, I'm going to vomit any second. I was the only one on the boat doesn't get seasick as well. Everyone's massively seasick. So I was sitting there feeling fine falling asleep on the deck. The Bowtie all good and I waking up every time someone retching over the side last year was a bit of a nightmare but they've asked me to come back again. So we'll see looks like oh, that's good. That's good. The next one I have is what is the last book you read? And who would you recommend it for that? C is the thing I don't read my book. So listen to them because I've just come and I here Yeah, I mean, I just know my weaknesses and my witness has the attention span to sit and read a book. Whereas I might walk in Ali I can listen to a book. So, it's Best of Both Worlds. The last book I read. what was I think it was either awaken the giant within or unlimited power car are Yeah, those are the last two books I read and then listen to another one of the moment. But those are three Anthony Robbins books. Genuinely anyone. Yeah, actually anybody can read those books or listen to those books. They are short. They are precise. They are freaking awesome. They had stay start with awaken the giant within because essentially it's just saying that What I said earlier and if someone else can do something, so can you but it starts with that belief and once you start manifesting that belief that you can do whatever someone else can do. You're unstoppable. You know, I've had awakened the Giant and my audible account probably since I got audible maybe about two years ago. I've never listened to it like that. That's it's always just been there. Yeah. It's like what to not even to yours long as it I don't tell me that you'll give me the guilt. It's literally like let me just check I need to check but it is super super brief. Like I think I read it listen to it. And about three walks. It's an honor half know it. Yep. I don't have long. All right. Well I am I've actually I'm driving the Edinburgh tomorrow. That's an hour and a half. So I'll share on Instagram and tight unit. I thought was my accountability. And then the last one I've heard this on a couple of other podcasts and I thought it was really cool. And I never wanted to do this question until I heard it organically myself and its original format, which I believe is tribe of mentors and that's what purchases under a hundred Point. Have you made that? I've just had an amazing impact in your life for whatever reason under. Well, they sold like was sure as hell not hundred puns. What about there must be about 1,500 maybe more? Yeah. Yeah upwards the eyes are set on upwards. Yeah, but what if I purchased? Really good question. I was trying to think of but it's honest. I don't make that many purchases be honest most most of the things I spend money on his food, which again does not cost under a hundred pounds or something. I'll tell you what, I'm just gonna I'm just gonna throw this one. I spent 50 Quid on Sushi the other night. I go. I know that's it. That's not a tangible thing because you have to eat it. But it was it was only my friends. It was in a great environment. I freaking love sushi. We got really good conversation. I would have because we went to go get food. So that's like kind of the best purchase I've made and just in terms of like conversations and making making memories. And so she's awesome. So that's a that's a butt out of Center. But that's the last thing any tangible thing that I bought. Even though I had a important message behind it. I'm just out of pure. I haven't lived in Belfast for a while. Where is good in Belfast for suschin Kamakura? Okay, where's that? Uh, you know the kind of Asian new dome Road. Yes like that kind of Asian strip. We've got a gash in Superman. Yeah done there. They should pay me have broken people. Well tiger him. Yeah, definitely. Awesome band. Thank you so much. I just a quick reminder or were people can find you to follow your story your journey. So Instagram is probably the best place to get me as for most active. It's just been launched underscore. Someone's still got that much. He hasn't posted next six years, but I'll get him. I'll get ya Instagram for me the best. I'm on Facebook as well. But then most of my stuff just Shared from Instagram to that. So yeah, that's pretty much it. Awesome. Thank you so much. I'll put everything in the show notes and I'll catch you once I hit the big stop recording button. You are listening to the Ricky Long podcast. Hopefully it came across in that episode. Just genuinely how much we enjoyed connecting with each other. I know I enjoyed so much just listening to van and listen to his story finding out more about ban and what he's been through and the way he lives his life. It's truly very very inspiring for me and for quite literally thousands and thousands of other people right across the globe. You can check out all of Ben's details. Show notes and a reminder this episode. We're doing the giveaway with Podium for sport. Take a screenshot tyke meat. 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I was ready. It was ready. I'm ready now. Okay. Hello and welcome back to another episode of girls talk. My name is Caitlin and I'm Abigail and we are your hosts and I did not come up with a good adjectives and I'm sorry I'll work on it. I was just stressed. About getting this episode started. So we have not decided what exactly the title of this episode will be. But right now it's menstruation. So I slept on you guys. Yeah. I don't really have much else to say about that. So let's just start with life of these get into those. Okay, so it's actually been about two weeks since we last recorded. Which is kind of weird but it's why I didn't remember the water thing. Yeah. Okay, so we'll get to that in a second. Come on morial day. Brad's family came down or I guess up because they live south of us. But yeah, it was fun. And it was really hot. And I don't know I enjoyed it. It's better than going somewhere else for a family event because I like making my own space and I feel like I can get away for like 5 seconds if I need to I'm just much more comfortable in my own house. Also, I'm sick. If you can't tell which is very fitting for this podcast since we always seem to be sick whenever we record grew. Yeah, so my job interview was that she would say well, yeah. Okay last Wednesday. I know what it was I was saying it was on a Friday, but it was a Wednesday. I've yet to hear anything back. I'm very nervous that But it did go like super well, I don't know. I think my issue came into play where I'm self-taught with all of like HTML CSS web development. So like I know what it's called in my brain and I know the terms and stuff and I know how to do things like in my head, but I don't know the actual terms and like stuff for things like they were asking me CSS selector. T like what is that and then in my brain that and then she explained it and that's CSS like hierarchy for classes in so like Styles so like in line is top priority and they don't have IDs cost ya and I was like, well, I know that but I didn't know that's what it was called. I didn't either and I've taken classes on that. Yeah, so I just felt like I kind of bombed that part where they were like, well, what is it like they're asking me like specific things. I didn't know what they were called. But like I know the answers so I don't know. We'll see I just I really hope I get it. I need to keep looking for jobs. Basically you let's just start our own well development company Abigail became I mean, you know, I'd be down. This weekend. I am actually going home for a funeral which is kind of sad, but I'm excited to go home because I haven't been home since Christmas. So it's been a hot minute. Okay, what just happened? I just kind of notification. It's not expecting that. Okay. CrossFit is going well. I had my did I talk about my intro? Okay Dad you did you that messaging me you were talking about how you were gonna go do burpees. There's no maybe that was on I think I texted you that can you hear that? Well my Diane hear it. Yeah year are blowing. Oh, what the heck? Okay, do not disturb on so I was out of his mind. But yeah, so I went for my first class and my first class was actually a Conditioning class. So it was a Tabata style workout and we had to do step-ups wall balls burpees. We had to run. Yeah, it was so awful, but it was so fun. I died afterwards. I did the whole thing, you know like the stereotypical CrossFit thing where everyone just like laying on the ground dying. Yeah. That was me. And then I have my fundamentals class yesterday and let me tell you I have found my new favorite thing, which is Olympic lifting. Oh, I've always loved it. Oh my God, what did you do? So we just learned the basics of everything and we did we do. Did you do cleans? Yeah. We did cleans. We did snatches. We did clean and jerks. We did push presses just It was so fun. And I was there with there were these two other guys there and they were probably like 30 something and I'm sitting over there and he's like actually making me put weight on the bar because like I know what I'm doing kind of and I was just excelling in that I got my own horn there, but it was so fun and I loved it and I felt so powerful and it's my new favorite thing that I wanted to address something that came. Ellen talked about in last week's episode and that was the chickpea water where she was talking about eating only chickpeas and not the water because that stuff is now yes. Okay. It is now chickpea water is actually a thing. It's like people drink it or no. Okay. Okay. Okay. It's called aquafaba. You had to look this up. I knew I knew what it was called, but I need to like clarify it and it's used in vegan recipes to mimic eggs or egg whites. Nah. Yeah. I should be saving all my chickpea water then. Yeah it it mimics the fundamental properties of egg whites and cooking interesting. Well, maybe I'll be saving my my chickpea water. I had chickpeas for lunch. So I just In the can but yes, that's why you can use interesting love that. Okay, that's all I have. Okay, I literally right before we started filming filming recording this. I told myself out loud Caitlin stop writing stuff. You're going to make this short. So this is me trying to not talk forever. Okay guys. So last week I guess we'll start the majority of my week last week. I actually spent at Carl's apartment. I was there like 75% of the time because I had Memorial Day off on Monday and then his birthday was last week. So I just stayed with him for like four days, but on Monday, he literally worked Memorial Day and I went up to his apartment to use his pool while he wasn't there and I was really like scared because I didn't want to like get kicked out. As apparently you have to have a pool pass and Kyle had picked his up yet. But I had his apartment keys. So I could go back and forth between the apartment but I literally like pulled up part like right next to the pool and then like God the car run on myself inside and then like went out to the pool sounds like this kind of looks a little suspicious but it's fine. So I just kind of like walking sit down. There's like 12 kids in the pool and their parents and they're having a good time or whatever and then someone puked in the pool. Yo, yeah, so are you know like oh, it's okay and then they're all like a let's leave. So all the parents make them leave they get into two trucks and leave they don't live there wait. So can you access can you access the pool without a it's not locked? Okay. Yeah, but it's right next to the leasing office. So but they weren't open because it was Memorial day, but one guy was on staff and literally as soon as these people left. Comes in and he goes, how was your day and I was like, I'm nervous because I'm oh my God, he's talking to me and I was like, oh, it's fine kind of quiet. He's like, yeah not those kids left. They don't even live here and I was like, yeah, they don't live here. This shouldn't be here. It was just so awkward. But I survived I didn't get tan at all and I was so mad because it was like cloudy all day, but it was hot, so I didn't really care that much. So that was my Memorial day, but then like I said, so Kyle turn 24. He's an old man. Yeah Brad currents 24 this year. Yeah. Kyle's really old but we just watched a bunch of movies like while I was there and like I got drunk on mimosas. It was good time just chill and doing nothing. But yeah, my last week's kind of like a vacation since I wasn't home when I actually got back to my apartment. I was like, what is this home? What? It's just weird. I literally had like packed a suitcase and everything. I mean that's understandable. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for not judging me. I mean it was like four days. Yeah, I would practice you case. Thank you. Also, I'm since I haven't like been to a gym. The only time I ever go to the gym is with Kyle because he has the Planet Fitness stuff so I can let go with him for free but it always goes with his brother now, which is rude so I can't go to the gym. So I've just been like running all the time and it's kind of nice because I've been wanting to get like really really Reebok into running but it also kind of sucks because I'm too lazy to get up at like 8:00 a.m. When it's not hot and run. So I'm finally going to like go check out gems, but I want to go to like a chain since I don't know exactly I'm going to live so I'm either going to get a plane at Fitness membership for a short time or Crunch Fitness, but I've never been to Crunch so it looks really cool. It does and it looks better than Planet Fitness. Yes, it will because it has barbells. Yeah, I know. So I'm going to go out try crunch like sometime this week because I have like a one day free trial thing, but I was trying to sign up on their website and it is like do the recaptcha and I'm like, there is no recaptcha on this page. What do you want me to do? So I have to like actually call or go in and do it and I'm upset fixture website crunch. That's about all of my updates for this week. Aren't you proud of me? I talked less than you did. I know I am. Okay. So now that Caitlyn is done with her hour-long. Oh shut up. We're gonna take a teeny teeny tiny break and hear a word from this week's sponsor and we will be right back. This episode is sponsored by anchor if you didn't know Abigail and I use anchor to host our podcast who even know you needed a podcast host not us when we first started and we're thinking about creating our podcast. So luckily for us Abigail stumbled upon anchor and it's what we've been using since day one. 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I think it will be better to it's just it's weird to record it because literally there's no time change for us like so I'm like, okay, let's go. Let's go. No, there's just one more thing that just reminded me something. So every time Kyle streams on Twitch and he's winning or something. He'll be like let's go. Let's frickin go but who actually use like the f word? Yeah and let us remind me. I started saying it to Bob to piss him off. We'll just be like laying in bed or like I'll be reading or something and I'll be like, let's go. Let's fucking down. He's like, what are you doing? Okay moving on. I'm like literally crying. I think it's the most funny thing ever and it's like okay don't get it or even to the gym. We went to the gym at like really early in the morning and Kyle's not a morning person and I am so we were just like sitting in the car and I was like, let's go Kyle. It's freaking go he was like shut up. Okay actually moving on now to the real part of the show. So we thought it would be kind of fun to do not really like a follow-up. We've talked about both of these things like extensively but not a lot a lot. That was actually my phone went off this time. Hello, sir. I didn't even hear it. So whatever but we wanted to talk more about Abigail's IUD and my use of the menstrual cup because I've been using it for a while now and I'm Abigail has had her ID for like how long for five. I bought it in November. I don't know like six seven eight months. So yeah, it's like that so we felt qualified to talk about them and honestly, I'll use any platform. I can to talk about my menstrual cup because it's life-changing. So yeah, because the last time we talked about it was back in September. You blame that that's crazy. Yeah, so long ago back when we were in school gross. Where were you going with that? I don't know. Honestly don't know. I'm like, I'm really hyped right now for just saying that makes me really like it gets you high up. I get why Kyle doesn't now Okay, cool, so Turn your CrossFit classes whenever I don't want it, whatever I want to throw up. Yeah, just kidding. Oh, okay. Yeah, so I think the last time we talked about this was before I actually got my IUD. Because I got it in November I think. October November, I know we talked about it a little like in life of dates you told us about it. But like that doesn't it's over. So anyways, I have the IUD and I got it back in the fall and I did a three part series on my blog about it because I really wanted to go in depth and kind of share my experience because a lot of things on the internet are very negative towards it and I feel like that kind of skews opinions. So I was I'm going to go into this share exactly what I went through. So people can make their own judgments. I have the marina which is a hormonal IED. So it's not the copper one. It lasts for five years. And so far other than like the first month two months. I haven't really had any issues with it. It was god-awful to get inserted. I'm just saying it was horrific. I've never been in that much pain in my entire life. The cramps afterwards were awful. But after like the first two days, I was pretty much okay. I had some pretty bad crappy when I got back into the gym. I don't know why they don't know why they said it's not really related. But I think it is related. I'm sorry OBGYN. I think you are incorrect. I think it was just because I was 10. So all those fossils of than it would just cause me to cramp. Let's see. What else? I don't really bleed anymore. I just get hormonal and really bad cramps not like really bad cramps. It depends on the does that like freak you out though that like comes out of nowhere. Yes, because sometimes I'm like, why am I so irritable? Like why am I just so annoyed with everyone and then I'll get cramps and I'm like, oh, that's fine. Yeah, it's kind of weird, but it's kind of nice. Other than that, I haven't really had any issues. I had some really weird pain sometimes but I don't know if that's related. It probably is I don't know. I have no idea like now you do. Yeah every once in a while, it'll just be like really sharp pains on one side of my ears, but I don't but then I just like goes away so I don't know. Okay. Is there anything else you want me to say? No, I'm just like I'm like, I'm not a doctor I can't diagnose you. I don't know. Yeah, I don't know either. So one thing okay thinking about like the how it comes out of nowhere though. That's why I feel like you should use like a period tracker because then you would like know when you're going to be hormonal. I know it's kind of towards the end of the month. But also I'm very irregular like I wasn't very regular before I had the I was on the pill. Then I was on the pill for like 10 years. So I don't really know what my psyche was like. So yeah, I could just fluctuate. That's one thing that I love about using a pair of tracker is because since I've been using it for I've been using the same one since I graduated high school, so it's like it really knows like it's almost always accurate. It's always for some reason it always says I'm going to start two days before I start which is weird that it hasn't corrected that ever that it but it's fine because I know what it is. Can I just ask you a bunch of random questions that I want to know? Sure. So I want do you like feel the strings? Okay, so that you're technically supposed to but like a month after I got it and I was having all those cramping with going to the gym. I also couldn't feel the string. So I was like freaking out I was like, oh my God, my body is rejecting this but sometimes they can go back up inside your cervix and into your uterus and it just like Sits there. Yeah, so I can't feel mine. Yeah, I feel like that because like if you have like a high cervix, I feel like you wouldn't be able to like feel the strings. They're supposed to cut them long enough to where you okay? Yeah, they can change the length of it. That's yeah thing. That's really cool. Yeah, I would also probably just freaked out if I was able to feel them like oh my God, this is so weird. Yeah, like just like moving inside you. Yeah, that's really gross. Yeah. Well, that's like whenever you were like a tampon like there's a string hanging out of you but like you never like I haven't but you can see it you would see it but like I never felt it. I don't know. It's just weird. I will say the other night in bed. I did have a slight panic attack how it would feel to get it removed. Oh God, because sometimes sometimes I'm not going to lie it. Sometimes I do have like pts you from the pain of getting it inserted. Oh my God, like I'm not that's not a joke, like for the first few months, like I was just like really scared not scared, but I would just get like really nervous like for Brad to even like touch me or anything. Yeah, like yeah, but well, I have a friend that has an ID and she got hers before you so when she gets hers taken out and like four years I can tell you about she said it hurt. Apparently, it doesn't hurt that bad because I just like folds back in upon itself and comes out but like God, I don't know wait, so when they like stick it in like is it in that weird like t-shape or is it like a aligned now? It's like a line and then when it goes through your cervix that pops open. Is that what the heart that hurts? I don't know. I have no idea probably all I know is I almost threw up. Yeah, it was so bad. Yeah, okay. But other than that, it's been really nice on top of taking a pill every day. So yeah. It sounds like the nicest one of like all of the the birth controls because you don't have to do anything except for the fact that like it hurts like a bitch. I think men need birth control just saying me too. Like literally I was like, well, I was on my run today. I was like prepping this episode in my head and I was thinking about all this stuff and I was like, okay, but why do like, why was it why did scientist first think of a way to control women's like ovulation like why not men we can't get pregnant by Ourselves it takes to I know and I'm just like like back in that time. Like it was obviously more men that were sexual because they were even more sexist than so. Why didn't they can try to try to control men instead of women? I don't understand because women were a lower they receive is lesser. But also I'm like, how would you how would you duman's birth control? Like would you just like because I feel like if they had to take something it would like kill their sperm, but I feel like that would make them sterile forever. So I'm Also, like I understand the struggle but like no get them some birth control, please. Yeah, I I agree. They need to go through the same turmoil that we go through. I was reading this thing. Okay side know I was reading this thing and I don't know if it was true or not. But okay because it's on the internet because the internet I don't know but it was like they initially were doing research for male birth control, but then all the side effects were so intense that they were like, no, but those are like the surrenders to in skit I read this to and that made me so mad. Yeah, I read that and I was like what baby so bad. Okay. Anyways, I think if there's anything else I wanted to ask I wonder if the part that hurt I wonder if it's just like going like through your cervix because isn't that like a really really small hole? Like that's probably that's so the I think that might all is part of it because if you have given birth and you get the idea, it doesn't hurt as bad. I think that's it then because your cervix is stretched. Yeah. Hmm. Okay. So before before we recording I was like him questions for this but I'm going to ask you this now. So like do you did you get yours inserted while you're on your period? Yeah that was supposed to but because I was on the pill like I never really got my period so so it was like was it that time of the month whenever you had been taken like the sugar pill or whatever though? I just stopped taking the pills and I was usually get got my period if I just stop taking them so it's like three days after I stop taking them. But and the reason why they do that is because when you're on your period your cervix is softer. Yeah. Yeah, but also I've heard of people who get the IUD and their doctor gives them like a cervix softening medicine. What so it like softens your cervix, so it's not as painful and I'm like, why did they not do that for me? Can I have that please? I don't know also, why would you not dumb? Area because it hurt. I know I've always thought about that. Look why don't they do that, but I guess it's let me tell you this if a man if a man I'm a man because I knew they would be put to sleep probably to get it done. Oh for sure for sure. Kyle's over her complaining about getting his wisdom teeth pulled and I'm like boy shut up. Yeah be quiet before I started using my menstrual cup. I actually don't even know what a cervix with Was Caitlin was dumb hello, but not down because I'm sure a lot of people don't even know what that is. What they don't research it. What that's not something they teach you in school Abigail. I did not grow up going to the the gynecologist all the time. That's true. I did like you had a bit of a very specific experience that not a lot of people have that's very true. Like I didn't go to the gynecologist until like four months ago. So yeah, I know I remember Yeah, but I that's one thing that I've liked about like starting to use my menstrual cup is because it's taught me a lot more about my body then any educational system ever has and like I didn't even know what to look up because I can just go to Google and be like, okay what's in my body like, you know, because I didn't know it was there. So make sense. Because like the menstrual cup you get the size and fit depends on like where your cervix it's so like before I took before I bought one. I had to take a test and one of the questions was how high is your cervix? And I was like what the fuck was that? So I had to Google it and then and then I remember I couldn't find it. So I was like, I don't know. How are you supposed to measure that so you're supposed to measure it with your finger. You're supposed to use your middle. Your index finger. Okay, and you're supposed to like reach up there and depending on which knuckle you go to is ok. How tall it is. So it's like how how long in your vagina? I don't know. I can't say that in a good way. Okay, it's just funny because it's not all it's just a link. I mean, I don't know. What up. Anyways, but and then also I found out that like your cervix like changes position during your period which I didn't know and that because that also affects like how you insert the cup and that's why that's one of the reasons why people have a hard time inserting it and they have to like they won't most people don't do a good job at using it until like their third or fourth cycle using it which saying but after you figure it out, it's like a godsend. Let me tell you how does it change positions? Your cervix? Yeah, does it like tilt? I don't I don't know that exactly because I know that like I've read I'm a part of like a Facebook group that's all about like menstrual cups. And when people ask questions like sometimes they're like I'm known like my doctor told me I have a tilted uterus but I don't know if that like affects your cervix or something or let me Google this. Let me see. I don't I never thought about that. I just I was always just kind of like, okay your cervix moves. Let's Google it. How does the cervix is? Maybe it isn't? Just has feet and walks around just walks around in her vagina. Yeah, it just says as ovulation approaches your cervix will typically change positions moving higher up into the body. Okay doesn't say like how But I guess so it because it gets lower like when you're on your period. but like People still like I have like a high cervix. So it's still really high and I can like barely ever reach it which is why I have to have like a longer cup but the cup I have it's not actually long enough. I'll probably get a different one eventually because sometimes it's really hard to reach but like throughout my period I can feel it. Like I don't have to push it up as like you don't have to push it up right on the cervix because if you do that it'll hurt but like there's sometimes where I if my cervix is high it goes up for some reason, but if it's not it just kind of sits where I put it in the beginning. It's really weird it has It has a mind of its own you guys. It's a lovely lady. I love this episode. I feel like this is kind of like sex education that I never got in high school sex education High School sucked. Literally. I'm all I remember from sex education is learning about STIs as CDs and then we were shown pictures is pictures of penises. And that was it. I don't know why no idea why I just told don't do it. And it was I remember it was a unit in health class and that was it. Yeah, don't move them help out since I started using my cup my my period has gotten shorter. And my cramps have not hurt as nearly as bad, huh? And I looked into this because a bunch of people in that Forum that I'm in has said the same thing and it turns out that when you use tampons, well not all tampons. But a lot of them they can leave very very very tiny abrasions and your vagina when you pull them out and they are not something I'm sorry. Yeah. Yeah, so and they also offset the pH balance of your vagina, which can Both of those things put together can cause cramping and if your if the tampon is pushed up too high and it touches your cervix. It's going to hurt. I didn't know all these things like knowledge is done. Why does no one tell us that? I don't know. They're just like here's cotton put it in you. Yeah, I hate being a woman. I just think products are not designed for us. Even though they are. Yeah, I will there are other people that are like or other women that like understand or just people that menstruate want to be gender inclusive people that menstruate it's about that. Not only women menstruate if you're trans, man, you could menstruate. Well, that's true, I guess. I'm trying to be gender-inclusive. I didn't think about that. I was just trying to like well, I've been reading a lot of like I'm reading a book right now called Yes means. Yes, and there's a lot of essays and it and they're like really gender inclusive and they don't use his or her that use like hir. It's really weird and they use a it's very strange but it's kind of interesting. I'm all about all about that, but I was just very confused there for a second. Sorry, but like there are people that mints right that are starting to make Menstrual products and I feel like those are a lot more high quality because I understand it better. So I'm excited for that. But yeah. I remember when I first got it the like I was so scared to put it in. I was like how the heck is this huge cup benefit inside of me? But it really like because it's not the full size when you put it inside like cuz you fold it down to fit into like your little vagina hole. Morgan scientific in here man, dying laughing with us right now. You are cold hearted and have no so let me tell you I'm crying but who is when you fold it down to fit it up inside you and you're supposed to push it up barely passed your pubic bones. It's supposed to sit above your pubic bones and it kind of opens a little but it's not going to open all the way because different people have different. Shaped vaginas like some people's are more oval shaped but obviously like cups are more circle shape. So it's going to fold to fit. However, your vagina is shaped which I guess is something I also didn't like realize I didn't realize that either. Yeah because there are menstrual cups made of silicone. Yeah silicone. I have a silicone one and there's ones made of it's not so it's for people that are allergic to Silicone. I don't remember what it is. But those ones don't they don't pop out right? I don't know how to say this. Like the one I have will always keep its shape. No matter what but the ones made from non silicon won't they will become form to the shape of your vagina. So when you take it out, you'll like be able to tell what you're trying to shape is so it is I don't know if it's really cool. I love doing well. I know. The one thing I also really like is that you can leave it in for 12 hours. So like literally I'll just get up put it in the morning and then go all day take it out at night put it back in and then I'm going to the morning. I was really scared to sleep in and up first. But then I after I did it once I was like it's so easy because I wasn't sure if I was like putting it in right it was still the time when I was still learning how to use it but not have you worked out in it. I have I went running with it in I had one issue with it. Once I when I did leg day once with it and it came out Like it didn't come out all the way but I guess it kind of like I've heard about that happening. Yeah it like the I didn't want the hardest thing for me is getting a good seal. I almost never have a good like suction, but I can get it to stay in. I don't know why that happens, but mine won't it's supposed to when you pull on it. It's not supposed to come down but mine always comes down easy. So whenever I do like squats and stuff it kind of moves and it leaks so I have to figure that out. I'd like to like day with the cup in but I can do everything else. No problem. It's just it's just it's kind of funny because one time though it actually like I don't remember what I was doing, but it just kind of like started to come out and I could feel it like coming out of me and I felt like I was giving birth like, I'd burst a Minstrel cup. It was very to make sense because when you're doing like intensive movements like that, you're bracing it were thus everything in there is being squeezed. Yeah, we should have asked for questions. Oh, yeah, we should have but you know, if you have more questions about iuds are menstrual cups. Let us know we do there's that message thing. Now, that's what the sponsor is right now. I'm pretty sure as of when we record this. Yeah. I'm excited to see if we get some I know I've been Like waiting so many people literally so many people a lot more than I thought were have already listened to the first episode and I'm just like in awe like I like that also side note. We have 17 ratings on iTunes. I told you that a couple weeks ago. I was saying that for our listeners Kate, okay, you're telling me no. We also what was it. We had like 38 subscribers on one of the other ones. I looked it and literally every single platform. We're on today to see which one's accepted ratings and not to see if we had any anywhere else. I was like I need to know. Also, we should talk about the new cover art. Oh, yeah, I love her just randomly off topic, but I love it. Yeah, well I love how as soon as you make our cover art, though. Literally Kyle many make a logo for his twitch. So I did that this morning. It's so basic but I mean I did it so I'm proud. Yeah, Abigail again did our artwork. Thank you very much. Oh, yeah. You're welcome. But I had a lot of say in it. Yeah. And it looks really cool. I feel like we're going to be those people that change like every two seasons though. Yeah, whatever until we finally get it to where we're both in it. That is classmate. That's the goal is the goal you guys someone started a GoFundMe so we can get Abigail up here into Kentucky for Kaitlyn down here to Columbia. Yeah, but I'm definitely gonna lose my job. I so I put in unpaid timely because I'm going to Florida in like three weeks and I'm gonna be gone for a week and a half and then I'll be back for a week. And then I'm leaving again for a week and a half to California and my boss. She emailed us. She's like, hey, I need your time off requests for July and I cannot accept any time off requests between July 14th and 17th. And I was like, LOL. Oops. Sorry, you're going to prove it for me because I already bought the plane ticket. And I've been planning this since last May so sorry fire me if you want. That's rough. I hope you keep your job. I mean, I'm at the point where I'm kind of like I literally got to work yesterday. I cried. I was like, I do not want to be here. I hate it because all I do is get harassed every day to say it is so much now that's not cool. So I'm like, you know, maybe if I get fired in a put more like fire under my butt to find a real job, but I was Like I'm like a mental breakdown yesterday. I was like, I don't know what else I could do and Kyle was like I'm going to teach you how to use LinkedIn the right way and I was like, okay, whatever. Is there even a right way to use LinkedIn. Apparently there is and Kyle knows how to do it. So I'll keep you updated. Yeah. Well, please help me. Just pads Colin. Let's have a LinkedIn episode. How how do you properly use LinkedIn? Yeah, I know right? Okay, we're completely off topic but not surprising though. Not at all. Oh, we should probably talk about. Hello. Yeah, I sorry I was typing um. So I have this fear of using on a menstrual cup. Okay, and it being my IUD being sucked out. Oh, yeah that happens a lot. Yeah in and the Facebook group. I'm in people talk about it all the time about how they're really scared to use one. I'm gonna see if I can find a post about it really quick because I don't really know what causes it unless like I don't see don't understand why it happens. Like do you know? Why it happens? So I'm reading something right now on the internet. Okay, and it says that people can accidentally pull on their strings of their IUD whether pulling out their menstrual cup, okay? That's about it. I feel like maybe like the strings can get caught like on the sides of the cup and when you pull a cup down it pulls the whole thing down. Yeah, because you pull all the strings to get it to fold up to remove it. I know that but a lot of people so there's also something called menstrual discs that you can use which are apparently a lot better if you have an IUD. I've seen those they look really strange but like really cool. Okay. Yeah, I think it's because of the strings. Did I just get like caught as yeah, so it's yeah, it says that you can I can accidentally pull on them. That makes sense. I guess you just have to have them like trimmed really high or like be able to feel them whenever you put the cup in so they're not like in the wrong place. Yeah. Well, that's interesting. At least. I know It Won't Suck my IUD out. Yeah, because I've seen a bunch of like Post in the face. Which I'll put a link to it in the description because it really helped a lot of people use it just for like questions about menstrual cups and menstrual discs and they talked about like weasel pads panty liners like stuff like that in there and a bunch of beginners go in there and just ask questions before they use one and stuff. So I'll leave the link in the description. You just have to like answer one question. I think to join or something, huh? Cool. Yeah. Yeah, I can link. Well, we could link to all of my ID post ID post yeah, and you have a Shortcut post to right? Yeah, I do. Yeah, I don't really have anything else. Yeah, neither do I? Okay. Well guys thanks for coming and hanging out listening to us ramble again again, if you were not laughing you have no soul and don't forget to follow us on Twitter at Girls Talk podcast without being podcast. I'm so excited to start using the Twitter again big height. And yeah guys try out the the mess. Thing the anchor message thing. It's in there's a link and description always it's at the very end and you can like send us a voice message. Like we don't have to play it in the episode, but we could put it in the episode. Yeah, send us your comments. Also if you want some podcast stickers from what last season just message us and I we can send them out to you because we have plenty. Yeah. Yeah. So now we need to make new ones. Yeah, how about once we get it and then we can make me but yeah, thanks for listening again. You guys I'm excited to be coming at yet every week on The Daily Monday morning on the daily. It's not every week every day. Just listen to us every single day the episode on recreating and that's why unit, duh. I'm just nervous. I don't know how to end it it's not that hard. All you have to do is be like, thank you guys so much for listening. We appreciate your love and support and I guess we will talk to you guys soon episode next week. Well Abigail did it. So, okay. Bye see, it's not that hard.

In this episode, Caitlyn tests out how many times she can say vagina! Jk however that word is used a lot so if the basic female anatomy bothers you, you may want to listen to a different episode. This week, Abigail finally talks more in-depth about her IUD and answers all of Caitlyn's pesky questions about it. Then Caitlyn discusses her newfound love, the menstrual cup! Don't forget to click the link at the bottom of the description to send us voice memos! We'd love to hear your thoughts about the episode and your experiences with IUD's and menstrual cups. Mentioned in this episode: IUD Blog Posts: http://livingthegraylife.com/2018/11/13/iud-experience-part-1-the-before-my-struggle-with-pcos/ http://livingthegraylife.com/2018/11/30/iud-insertion-experience/ http://livingthegraylife.com/2019/02/15/iud-experience-part-3-three-months-later/ Menstrual Cup Blog Post: http://collegewithcaitlyn.com/is-a-menstrual-cup-actually-life-changing/ Put A Cup in It FB Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/paciichat/ Okay bye! [email protected] Abigail:  Blog - http://livingthegraylife.com/  Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/livingthegraylife/  Twitter - https://twitter.com/livingthegray  Caitlyn:  Blog - http://collegewithcaitlyn.com/  Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/CattyElizabeth5/  Twitter - http://twitter.com/CattyElizabeth5 Music: Friends by Ikson @ikson Music provided by Free Music for Vlogs youtu.be/0sUIfW8R2BM  --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast.

Hey everybody. I wanted to just take a second before this episode and let you know something personal about me. I just got accepted on to a Boston Marathon charity team. So I'm going to be running the Boston Marathon 2020 and I'm so excited and I'm running with the Martin Richard foundation. And Martin Richard was only 8 years old when he was killed during the Boston Marathon bombings back in 2013. And this Foundation is justReally incredible. They took a really bad situation and made something beautiful out of it. So I'm just really flattered and honored to be representing them during the Boston Marathon. I myself. I was actually at the Finish Line during the 2013 bombings and you know, I'm totally fine, but it just means a lot to me to be able to run in the Boston Marathon and kind of, you know, take back a little bit of something that I think. Think was stolen from a lot of us. So all of that is to say if you would consider donating even if you donate one dollar or if you know five dollars, it would just mean so much to me. So the link is in my bio on my Instagram page. So by Instagram is Phil underscore the underscore OT and please please please consider donating. I'm not the best at fundraising so any dollar or you know, any amount would be incredible. So enjoy the show and please All right. Thank you. Hi everybody. Welcome back to season two of spilled OT podcast. It has been a hot minute and for that I apologize. I think a lot of you weren't sure if I was coming back and the truth is I wasn't sure if I was going to come back this podcast started off as kind of a passion project that I just wanted to get some information out there and then it kind of turned into a little bit more work than I anticipated. I know that I've told you before I have like really Is executive functioning things? So this season we're going to switch things up for me. I have a really hard time finding the right people to interview and then finding the perfect time for us both to get together and record. It's just been a challenge for me. My schedule is all over the place. I have been working full time, and I have actually gone back to grad school and part of a grad school is I have to do some pre practicum hours and I'm also starting another podcast. So I just have A pretty full plate right now, and I do want to continue on with this podcast. I want to try and improve it make it better. So I'm starting off a voice recording thing where you can actually send in your own messages. So I have a number that you can call me at and it's for o1 to O3 307 to and you can call this number. It's a deadline. It's a Google Voice number so it might ring but it's just going to end up going to voicemail and if you leave a voicemail I Share it on the air. So this can be a comment or something funny that happened to you. Or maybe it's something upsetting that's bothering you with PD p.m. Or whatever is on your mind and that you'd like to be shared in the podcast. If you leave me a message. I will be sure to include it even if it's not nice. So if you're going to leave me a Mean One know that I am going to play it on the air. So just want to put that out there because sometimes people send not-so-nice emails and I want season 2 to end that trend. And I am only looking for love. So if you have anything nice that you'd like to say, I'm going to share it. But if it's not so nice, I'm going to share it too. So I also want to conduct my interviews a little bit different. So I think if you're interested in coming on the show, then email me at spill that OT @ gmail.com and then I'm going to send you some questions and then ask that you voice record and send me back your responses. So I have a iPhone and on my iPhone it has the voice. Memo app you can set up to 30 minutes of content via email really easily. So all you would have to do is record on your own time answer the questions. You can be as honest or as blunt as you would like to be about answering those questions. And then I'm going to take them and put them into the podcast. I won't do all my interviews this way. If you really want to talk to me then that's perfect and we can schedule a time but I think that this will help me be able to get episodes on here more regularly if If I can just pull from content that won't require us to get together each week because again, I'm not the most organized person and I don't want you as listeners to have to wait just because I'm not organized to get people on here on a regular basis. Okay, so I think that's it for housekeeping. I want to say a huge huge. Thank you to everyone who has rated and reviewed this podcast. I've just been so happy and so amazed by all the people who reach out to me via email or On Instagram or by leaving reviews you guys are just rock stars and it makes me really really happy. So anyway, it is October 5th. And if you are working in the healthcare part of OT then you know, there have been a lot of big changes that occurred on October 1st. So I do want to hear from anybody who has something specific that they like to share about PD p.m. I don't know enough about it. I'm kind of out of the health care. Peace. Piece of it I'm in the school systems. So I'm not really being affected by too much yet. I'm sure at some point it will trickle down but right now it's not really impacting me that much but I know that it's a huge issue that's going on. I have two friends who have actually been let go they were assistants. But I mean, there's still one of us and it just was pretty upsetting to hear about their stories. So if you have anything that you would like to say good or bad then I would love to Or it again. Just email me at spill the OT @ gmail.com. Okay, and I am so so excited to introduce Our Guest for today. This is Erica del Pozo. She is an mot. Oh TRL and she holds a bachelor's in dance and Masters in occupational therapy from Nova Southeastern University. Erica has practiced in outpatient pediatrics for five years and is also had experience working with older adults with Progressive neurological conditions. Erica created a modified dance curriculum for it. Dealt with Parkinson's disease in Boca Raton, Florida in 2016, Erica special interest include work well-being and burnt out prevention and Healthcare. She is CEO and founder of the joy energy time a business dedicated to helping Healthcare professionals and organizations address. The ongoing challenges of burnout. She is the Creator and co-host of the burnt out to lit up Podcast, which is a holistic Wellness show for healthcare professionals and Erica has served as an adjunct professor at Nova Southeastern University for three semesters. And collaborating with dr. Landon had a Veena to teach occupational analysis and human interactions are goes worked with several distinguished continuing education agencies creating short and long evidence based courses around holistic and multi-level approaches to address burnout and mental health in the healthcare. Long story short. I love my conversation with Erica because I've been feeling burned out as you know, if you've listened to any episodes before I was also feeling kind of burnt out by this podcast. I think this interview with Erica took place either by end of May or the beginning of June. It was a while ago and I just have been feeling so burned out between school going back to school. We'll try to figure out what I want to do with my life. I also turned 30 which just made me had like a whole what am I going to do with my life moment and it was just a lot of things at once and honestly the podcast was burning me out too because I felt like I had to keep pushing out content and I just was feeling overloaded and stressed out. And it was just a whole lot. So my conversation with her was really timely and then it kind of gave me the power and the confidence to just say I need a break so I probably should have told you guys that I was taking a break but I did not so all of that is to say my conversation with Erica was just really awesome and she just really makes burnout feel like it's not your fault. I think that there's a lot of guilt and shame about burnout. Like is it me that's not strong enough or did I pick the wrong career or I think that there are just a lot of layers to it and what causes it and she just puts it in terms that I think are so important for us to acknowledge and I just hope that you enjoy this interview as much as I enjoyed having the conversation with her. All right, here we go. So, my name is Erika del Pozo. I'm from Miami Florida. And I like many people had no idea what occupational therapy was growing up and you I wanted to do something on a Go world, like I was interested in becoming a physician and I was interested in medicine from a really young age. And when I was an undergrad, I had danced my whole life, but when I was an undergrad, I took it to another level. I decided to major in dance and something overtook me which I still can't really quite explain why I became so obsessed with dance and I wanted to become a dancer but then after a few entries in the middle of my undergrad career, I was getting freaked out. Out because I was like hmmm. What am I gonna really do once I graduate like and I had a few injuries. I had a few broken bones like they were a stress fracture. So I was completely overworking myself and killing myself to like get to this goal of becoming a dancer and then halfway through undergrad a friend of a friend told me about occupational therapy and it seemed like just like the perfect solution for me because it was that science that and that medical world that I love so much but it was also The creativity and I got to Shadow especially in Pediatrics. I thought that was so much fun. So that's where all my shadowing took place and then I got into the Occupational Therapy Program. I know it's not the Eastern University right after my undergrad and I just I felt relieved that I found a career that thought stable and secure but a career that really inspired me to work with people and actually use some of my dance techniques, which I actually have. Have to combine my love for dance with therapy and to have this awesome career. So that's kind of like where I got started. That's awesome. So how many years did it take you total to get your degree 6? Okay. So can you talk to us about burnout? Yeah, so I didn't really know what this was until I experienced it myself and this was something that I didn't know like I had heard of it and I had heard of like Burnout and stress by hadn't really I didn't really know what to call what I was going through and I just went through everything during the first few years of my career when I first started out I had an amazing job with amazing support systems, but I didn't know how to use my voice. I've always been more shy and I've always been more reluctant reluctant to voice any concerns or something's bothering me to stand up for myself. So I never stood my ground and what happened was that I started to get more and more work my caseload started to grow and my evaluations and re-evaluations were literally consuming all moments of my day all moments of my night. Basically my whole weekend all this paperwork and I have a little break down in the middle of the day and because I was just kind of denying how I was feeling about all this work and I had nothing else to compare this year. I thought this was normal. Just thought this is how my career is going to go. This is what is expected of me. And so I had a little breakdown in the middle of the workday. And like I said because it was such an amazing first job. They were able to help me out and meet me in the middle and we do some of my workload and I just did my schedule but unfortunately the burnout persisted in different ways. I was in another job now because I had moved and this is like a few A month or a year later after this first incident probably like over a year and I'm going to another job and totally different setting but then different things started to happen, and I'm so thankful for that first job because they prepared me was like, okay, this is like if you have a problem, you know, you should be able to speak to your manager or supervisor and they should be able to help you but in the second instance, I learned that so many other factors were just coming at me. Like everyday I didn't know what I was going to get. I felt like I was completely out of control of everything and this is what I really start to pay attention to what burnout is and and what and how to impacting me after I left that job. I began interested in. Okay, what exactly is burnout because these experiences that happened to me. I felt like I'd all they felt so unique to me. I know I wasn't alone and I became fascinated. Animated with a researching burnout and that led me to this path of where I am today where it's been a really windy path a lot of like ups and downs a lot of turns and curves. But um, I have researched burnout. I've created multiple continuing educational courses around this topic and have worked with big agencies and small agencies to get this information out there to to clinicians and I feel like this is just the beginning for me. What settings were you working with? You had your first job and then your second job. So the first job was outpatient pediatrics and then the second job was also I'll patient but it was mostly neurological conditions like plenty of Parkinson stroke Ms. But it was older adults. Okay, so you've had some time to kind of think about burnout obviously. Can you pinpoint exactly what it was that like caused it for you? You yeah, so looking back and in retrospect that first time that it occurred to me, it was the what I perceived as a lack of autonomy because I so burnout you can break it down into three basic components. It's increased emotional exhaustion increased cynicism and decrease self-efficacy. So not just are you exhausted beyond beyond belief, but it's exhausting that is combined with like This Detachment from work like you are detached from your job. You are detached from your even career or profession. And then you also feel poorly about your efforts your self-efficacy or your contributions to your work. So it's kind of like all those three things that make this so unique and in that you know, so that first setting was the autonomy and then in the second setting it was a combination of everything it was workload and case law. Oh that was attached to the autonomy because there are things happening without that weren't in my control with my caseload and schedule that were significantly impacting like my mental health and then it was this lack of or this unfairness. I noticed there's favoritism unfairness lack of community because I would go to work and I knew who I could trust who I couldn't trust and there was a lot of Politics a lot of kind of this internalized aggression and so it was a dynamic corrosive environment to work in Dynamic not in a good way just very unsteady the energy sometimes I didn't know what to expect. Sometimes. I felt like I kind of goes back to autonomy just out of control of my day out of out of control with my schedule and then the the rewards now because on paper that was probably know that was the highest paying salary I've ever received in an outpatient job on paper. That looks great, but it was other rewards that were missing for me like the social emotional words like being appreciated feeling seeing and feeling heard. I did not feel like I was being appreciated in that way. I felt like I'm just a warm body in this clinic and I'm expected to do what is given to me and I Third question, it looks very bad. And I'm outed and I'm the black sheep and it was kind of like all these different factors combined in this corrosive environment that that led to this exhaustion that led to this detached view from work and then that led to me questioning my abilities. Yeah, I hear you so bad because I never thought about like the three different categories, but it's almost like the five stages of denial. Like I've had all three of those come and like I do think they build on each other because my first job, I remember like it was a good experience. I had co-workers who are my age fresh out of college. So it's like a fun younger group to work with but just the caseload the productivity the Showing that you would work six days a week. We had to be there over the weekend. It was just the culture of the work environment. Oh, if you're not going to work on Saturday, then I'll have to work and you felt guilty to go in so I think starting there and I only worked there maybe six months or so and then I feel like I'm even burned out from job switching because I switched jobs and I'm switch setting so many times chasing for a better situation. but I think that in itself is causing burnout Mmm Yeah, I feel like there's other factors that go into that and if you're switching settings and you feel like maybe you haven't found that that that job that provides all those things for you that really lifts you and supports you and makes you feeling like you're part of this community you you're proud of working in this established when you want to come back to it and there definitely is exhaustion with With switching jobs, so I can relate to that like would you mind talking about I know you said that you've liked struggled with depression before I feel like so many people to can you touch on that at all. Would you feel comfortable? Yeah. Yeah. So like this is the thing about Bernal that I like to be like to make a note of in be careful about a lot of the the research out there and you know, you know at all points. Back to an organization that creates conditions that that don't support workers and therefore burnout is a byproduct of that and I would I would like to know not I like when I talk about burnout, I understand that it is not the individuals fault. It is not a weakness of the individual but I with that being said, I experience burnout but I Also have a history of anxiety and depression. So, you know, we all those things can kind of fuse together and they can exacerbate the other. Oh experiencing burnout with the anxiety. I had it just made things 10 times worse and how like how I handle it. Xiety is I have a lot of somatic symptoms that cause me a lot of just prefer. An embarrassment because if I'm experiencing anxiety in the middle of a work day and my sympathetic nervous system is going haywire. Then I can I have left my patient with another therapist because I had to like go and throw up and it makes like I wish I could tell you why that is but I just know that like I can't breathe. I can't I have a million thoughts in my mind. I have shortness of breath and this is like my sympathetic nervous system. I feel like trying to do something and it's like it's something that I've had to deal with for four years and growing up. I started seeing a therapist in high school for my depression and anxiety again, and that started in high school. And as I went through the different stages in my life College an undergrad and even working on an OT I have been Through different types of therapies. I've done anxiety medication and I went to my doctor during this burnout. I didn't know quite what to call it. I didn't know what like how to express myself with that. I just knew that I was I had a lot of anxiety and I didn't know like again I put a lot of that blame on myself. So my doctor put me on anxiety medication and during that experience I can look back and I can assess that like the medicine. Helped me with my somatic my physical symptoms, but I was in a situation where I still didn't know how to Advocate and I was so stressed that it was impacting my sleep and everything is so like everything is just so integrated. Like I can't really tease out like what came first, you know, but I know that burnout did masturbate my anxiety because it if it affected like every part of me even while I was away from work, So you really hard going through that and I would advise if anyone is that listening is experiencing right now that you like you have identified that you know your work for whatever reason it's not supporting you or you're not supportive environment. But you also have like these other symptoms from anxiety and depression. There are there's no right answer medication therapy, you know, I would advise you to to seek the help that you need because that medicine was helpful for me at the time but I could have also used at the time even though I did go through therapy. I don't think I was in therapy during that particular time of prayer now, so I felt like I was just kind of like dealing with things on my own and the best thing I knew how to do was just not do not stand up for myself. So I wish I would have you know looking back. I wish I would have learned some of the things I know now, but but that's the whole, you know. Of learning and growing and you know now I know better. Wow, how did you navigate that with your boss? Like if there was a situation where you knew that you were physically going to be sick. Did you talk to them about that or did you keep it kind of private so my co-workers you and the co-workers that I trusted that you me very well if I was showing signs of like hi. Like high levels of the stress if I was showing in my face and my body I got kind of quiet and serious. My co-workers would understand if I need to excuse myself or if I needed to wait a few minutes before I got my my next patient like my co-workers were there to help me out, but I was embarrassed to tell my bosses about that and it was something that I couldn't predict when it would happen and I even have little alcohol Wipes in my pocket and if I felt nauseous, I would just like sniff it for a second and it would help me like come it would take away like the nauseousness. Um, but it was just like something that I was ashamed of that my I felt like it was all my fault. You know, I had all this work like all this at a huge caseload. He worked huge workload and all these other things going on and I felt weak that can handle it and and my body was taking it out in this way. And so no, I know I didn't like tell my boss that by my co-workers that once I was supportive of me did help and I think that having that community and people that understand at work really truly makes a difference. Definitely. I actually struggle it kind of Ebbs and flows, but with anxiety and depression as well. It presents a little bit differently for me. But I totally relate to just like you don't know who you can really trust with that information because you don't ever want it to be used against you in a way. So I hear you on that. It's a tricky thing to navigate. Yeah, I think think a lot of the studies show that having work BFFs and having well, so a lot of studies don't say that but having people at that you can trust having friendships at work that can be used in a positive way versus for example, like you can have friendships at work that are based around a lot of negativity and a lot of venting and a lot of you know citing up against creating sides against each other and I mean those type of friendships I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about friendships that are positive where you can find support or if you have a problem, you can tell them in confidence and they can help you or you can help them problem solve support support one another and I do really the optimal work environment would be that the leader the manager. Whoever your Superior is does lead you more than just telling you what to do you want to be able to come to them with a problem? And work through it together ideally. Hey everyone. Have you ever thought about starting your own podcast? Then you have to try out. Anchor first of all it's free and there's a creation tool that allows you to record and edit your podcast right from your phone or computer anchor will distribute your podcast for you. So it can be heard on Spotify Apple podcast and many more you can also make money from your podcast. It has everything you need to make a podcast in one place to try it out download the free anchor app or go to Anchor dot f m-- to get started. Alright. Here at soon. So that's what you're kind of looking for in a workplace is can I trust the people I work with are my needs being met in the sense that like I have support if I'm having a bad day someone going to use that information against me or are they going to be there for me? I'm so glad you brought up the point about friends that are based on more like loving rather than like cause it's taking the easy Road by kind of creating that like enemy like say you have a terrible boss. It's really easy for you and a co-worker to kind of gain up and be like, oh the bosses of where she does this this and this but that's not building a true relationship. That's just kind of having a common enemy. So I'm really glad that you kind of distinguish between like a healthy relationship at work and a non healthy because I do feel I've worked in quite a few facilities. Use and I'd say in well more than half their is kind of like a negative undertone in a lot of these facilities, but it could be because everybody else is feeling that same burn out and they just don't know how to express it or they might not even be able to identify it. Yeah, unfortunately a lot of organizations and this is in my experience in that place for I worked where I did experience the most and that like the most severe burn out is that some organizations get stuck and didn't sir. Contracts and if you've been somewhere for a really long time, then you might not see that your organization is stuck in a trap because that becomes your new normal, so I walked into a setting where screaming across the therapy room is normal. I you know certain things you walk into a like what you experienced in an interview can look completely different than what the actual setting like a normal work day. Looks like so it's important that you if you're in a job interview that you asked if you can shadow. Or talk to another employee without the presence of the employer involved if you like get to just like see how the facility runs and operates because if there are a lot of those internal politics and I've heard some crazy like crazy stories and I experienced it myself. If you see those internal politics or some people don't talk to other people and there's this like lack of unity and there's this, you know, like i4i startup mentality. It's you those are red flags like You might not be able to do your best work there. You might not be able to thrive there. And you know, it's It's tricky because other things can look alluring or appealing to you. Like I said a high pay maybe compensating for the fact that they have a high turnover and they're trying to keep you interested and invested if other things are falling apart at the seams than what what good is it if you can't sleep at night. I am and have all these problems and challenges at work people, you know, like it's about weighing the pros and cons but this is something that you may not know the beginning of a job. So again, don't be hard on yourself because I didn't notice I definitely the red flags and I wanted to be a team player. I wanted to be um, you know, like the good therapist but start to learn these red flags observe them and trust your gut. I would just say trust your gut. I'm I'm so glad you brought up the shadowing thing. I think that's so important because like you said the interview might be like some of them are 20 minutes long and you just don't get to see what it's actually going to be like, can you share for people who might be like, okay, you're using the word burn out a lot. What does Burnout actually like mean to you? Yeah, so burn out huh? Like I mentioned earlier those three components, but what that means is that it's Specific to work right? Because if I'm experiencing if I say, oh I have a huge test coming up or oh my my co-workers out of town. So I'm covering her caseload for a week and you're using the word. I'm so burned out that you're using the the term incorrectly according to its meaning its these three components the exhaustion the cynicism and the self-efficacy all it together. So not just if you are like exhausted and you're just tired, but you felt confident in your skills and your ability to do your work and so still that that passion and that energy for your work your you could just say you're exhausted because that's completely fine for you to say, but burnout is a lot more of a heavier term and I think it's just been misused so much and it's been used interchangeably for stressed. She give you studying for a test. I'm really stressed. Having your case. Your co-workers is load for a week. But if conditions return back to normal, you know, when that co-worker comes from work or once that test is done. If you know those conditions go back to normal then burnout wouldn't have had the chance to develop because burnout really like what really really when you really start to cross that threshold in to bring out its when you have acute fatigue, but then it develops into a chronic fatigue. And usually that fatigue is the first sign and those two other components accompany it, you know, the exhaustion sorry the cynicism self decreased self-efficacy those kind of like tag along usually the exhaustion is a pivotal point and you have a lack of opportunities for recovery. So what I mean by that is Republican happen during work and it happens outside of work and even during sleep so When I was burned out, I would go to work of course and my on top of my anxiety. I felt like I was turned on like the entire day and even like probably then her night like my sympathetic system was always always on I woke up stressed. I woke up anticipating in my problems at work and I would wake up extra early and get to work early so I could just sit in my car for a little bit because I felt like because my days were so out of control getting to work early was like my way of controlling things. And so again like worrying I could barely like eat and then, you know during the day. Any recovery time during the day essentially was like during lunch, but I made the mistake once of eating lunch at my desk once and then I was forced to do an evaluation during my lunchtime. So I learned that at 11:59 have to leave I leave the door like physically the building and come back. I like 12:59 and that was in my instance. Like that's what I had to do. But during that lunch time. I was counting down the minutes of like, oh hi. My God, I have to go back have to go back and then I would leave work and work out but I would be like hi Insanity workouts or I also did workouts in the morning and my other job. So I would wake up at 5 in the morning and try to do a high intensity workout. And for someone that has a ton of anxiety and I was experiencing right now. I like that that wasn't a good mix key because again, my sympathetic nervous system was like on I'm always everything. It's like a threat to me. I was stressed out about everything so usually I would my workouts were just most stress provoking and then I would go home cook and like watch TV and no in my head. Okay have two more hours then have to go to sleep in like work is focused coming and then like I would go to sleep with all this pain in my shoulders. I had so much pain in my shoulders and I couldn't like fall asleep. I had trouble staying asleep. I would dream about work out through your mouth treating patients. Patience and then one of the Friday night came. I just couldn't be like happier. I just wanted to press pause keep fighting it going on forever hours. This was the height of it all just like the height of the works of the worst. And there was a lot of crying there was a lot of just a lot of not I like numbness in me. So that was what burnout was for me in my experience in my experience and and that's how you know, Getting to those points. It just became normal a bit. Like I said became like sort of like my normal. I had nothing else to really compare this to so look back now. It's I'm grateful that I went through that actually because it has allowed me to see how strong I wasn't you know, and going forward and trying to make change trying to stand up for myself and he but it was definitely hard. And yeah, it's just really hard for me. So after you were able to identify what was going on, can you kind of walk us through what you did after that? How did you get out of it? Or how did you find coping skills to help and just where are you now in your process? Yeah, so during that time in that job work things were upside down for me. I started to feel so uncomfortable about the current situation that I tried to I To to stand up for myself. Like I had meetings with my supervisor with the owner of the clinic and I told them I don't feel comfortable doing x y z, you know, I don't feel comfortable treating patients without a prescription like things that were unethical and fraudulent and I felt like it was so uncomfortable for me and my my ethics was telling me like my heart was telling me like I can't do this. I got hot I have to stand up for myself and so like it took a lot of Courage for me. I thought maybe you know things would change but unfortunately that advocacy those attempts to like express myself did backfire we had meetings where we had a big team meetings where I was being talked about but my name wasn't being said and I knew that this attention was being brought on me how they're sewn in the room. That's not a team player how we should all be on the same team and all these Being used against me and so in my heart, I knew that I went in last year long and so I made sure I had another job lined up and then I give it two weeks notice and I left and that was that experience at that job was quite traumatic for me. And so looking back, you know when I got another job and when things things just got so much better because then I was Was in an environment where I felt comfortable safe supported and then I also began adjunct and I became an Adjunct professor. So I was balancing being an adjunct for one of the classes in the OT program in Florida. Excuse me, and then also bouncing like per diem back in Pediatrics where I felt like was my favorite setting and and so slowly but surely again. I didn't have a manual at the time to tell me you were burned out and this is what you need to do, but I To explore things. So I began exploring meditation. I just started with healing myself first and so like I began with meditation I use the headspace app. I'm obsessed with it. I still use it and never would have thought I'd be like a meditator but I I use meditation every single day and it's one of my favorite tools because I can see how 15 minute meditation has impacted the rest of my life and such. Positive ways. I've become just more in control of I'm not control but just gained more more awareness and more Consciousness about like who I am how I show up. It just it has just made me a better person. So I kind of started there and I just started slowly but surely getting like started listening to a ton of podcast reading books on what you would find in this up help section. But it's all this personal development personal growth that I think has shifted from like our idea of like self-help is into like at least for me became something that we all need like reading. My favorite book is you are a badass by Jen sincero and that book really helped me to realize that I am like I am powerful. I am wonderful and I started to really take care of my my soul and my mind with these books and Podcasts meditating and then I became passionate for the advocacy of burnout. Can you share what type of OT are you doing now? You might have just said that but I just want to make sure I understand it. Okay, so actually what I'm doing right now is unconventional and it's not like I'm not in a traditional OT setting I founded your energy time until 2017 and so An LLC and basically what I've been doing for the past few months my husband and I moved and so when we moved because he's a physical therapist. So he's doing travel travel therapy. And when we moved in we left our home I saw this as an opportunity to just explore Joy energy time and so I'm not employed by anyone now I so far for the past few months. I've been a concrete contractor for creating these courses. About burnout for some agencies, like occupational therapy.com and some other like mom-and-pop agencies for for like courses around burnout and then that so that's what I've been doing and I presented this year at aota and the Occupational Therapy Association of California. I presented my my courses on burn out. So I'm just Hams do my own thing right now and would join up to time. My biggest thing is creating a brand that is like a community like a community for healthcare Professionals for healthcare organizations to find resources on wellness and how we can be advocate for shipping a Better Health Care system. So I am totally figuring out everything by myself. Self and this is like, you know pretty messy for me, but I'm for I'm very driven to create something that can impact people so they don't have to experience what I experienced and I'm drawn to this idea of creating some but it's not for everyone and I've spoken to so many OTS and VG's that love love pictures care love clinical care, and they don't have a desire to leave. But unfortunately, the types of settings were working in the types of companies were working for sometimes to see us has a number and that's that's the thing that like is it makes me so sad because we enter health care because we have this compassion for helping others and we have this like romanticized view of what it is to be in healthcare, but once we get into Healthcare and we have these productivity numbers, we have to hit and we're in meetings. Supervisors because we haven't had these numbers or whatever may be dealt with the real world it for so many people that that takes away from why we entered health care and you have all these other birds and some tasks that fall on you that may be outside of your expectations. But you start to take on things that maybe weren't a part of the job when you signed that that you signed up for and it's important. That get you know, get clear with me like what try to tease out the things like that are aren't working for you like about you know, is the same thing. Is this the right setting for me do I like working in Pediatrics or do I like working in acute care? Like I think getting first getting down to like, okay this setting is just setting for me. Do I enjoy working with these clients? And then you know thinking about the company this is Can you have my best interest fine do they care about me as the person or do they just care about me as a number? How am I treated hop am I being listened to am I being heard? That's I think I have a guide not even God. It's a Chic. She just won t with 12 factors 12 questions. You can ask yourself and it's kind of broken down into basic needs individual needs growth need teamwork needs so you can terminate Okay. Am I are my needs being met and you're probably look at this than you may think. Oh, I didn't even know this was important but it is so I'll leave that link, you know, put your email in and then that that that she will be sent to your email. So it's really quick way to just fast. Okay, like am I being taken care of? That's perfect. Yeah, because I think there's just so many pieces at play and you never going to have a perfect situation right that's life. We do the best that we can but if you can Or ties what matters the most and then see if you're able to get those to work for you and not against you. So I really appreciate you sharing that I think a lot of people including myself will find that helpful. Ya thank ya. Thank you for having me on and I'm happy to share that that resource I have other free like sheets sheets are guides on my website as well that kind of cover. Were all these different aspects that we've been talking about like I have any emotional Wellness toolkit. That's how to enhance your emotional wellness. And then also what else the needs so teaching I was taught just telling you about and then I can't think of it now, but I have a few more resources and they're all in one place on my website. So it's easy to find can you tell us about your podcast and what you do over there? Sure. So I have the burnouts little podcast and I can't take credit for the name. My husband thought of the name but um, I co-hosted with my husband like I mentioned he's if he's a physical therapist, but I make it a point to interview people that are in healthcare that aren't in healthcare anything but my mission in interviewing these all these different people is to deliver holistic Wellness. This for you because I had to listen to a ton of different podcasts to get more in touch with my spirituality to learn more about advocacy and health care or to learn about like all these different things. So, you know holistic Wellness is huge. There's so many different Dimensions of Wellness, you have occupational wellness and mental Wellness Financial Wellness, you have emotional Wellness. So it's like I try to bring in experts from all these different places whether they're in healthcare or not. Just bring good content to my audience awesome and where can people find you so you can go to Joy energy time.com. That's like the mother website because you'll find everything there. You'll find the resources that was mentioning, but I'll leave that the link for that sheet with you so they can access that that she right away. But if you go to draw and shoot em, not calm you'll see how you can find us. Our podcast we have a newsletter and you can also search burnt out to little podcast on iTunes on Spotify on anywhere you listen to podcasts print out to lit up is there so yeah awesome. So before you go, I like to ask everybody this if you could talk to your 18 year old self, would you send Erica to OT School? It's a great question. Yes, yes, I love profession. I know there's a lot of room for growth and I am proud to be an OT. I think we're one of the most versatile professions there is I just think we need to do a better job. I'm not pigeonholing ourselves and I think that we may not change, you know if we create that. And down, we create those businesses and we create other things outside of the traditional that we're kind of pigeon-holed into I think we can really like flourish as a profession and keep gaining that that recognition and that respect in the world. So, you know, it takes creative OTS it takes Brave oaties to get out there. It's not it's not easy, but we chose this. It's amazing profession that we could do so much with so yes, I'm proud to be an OT. I'm really glad you said that because we're in a couple Facebook groups together is for alternative careers where you can kind of use your OT PT or SLP degree and people just give conversation to what they're doing and I feel like In school we learned about a lot of alternative careers that you could do with OT like Reiki or a community mental health OT and for a long time. I've kind of been complaining and being like well, where are these jobs? I don't see these jobs anywhere. I look up indeed. It's Skilled Nursing Facility. It's outpatient Peds. It's acute Inpatient Rehab. So where are these jobs, but I think we I think you're absolutely right. We kind of need to take ownership and if we have that spark in ourselves, like we have the opportunity to create it. I know that it's not for everybody but I think if somebody's listening and they feel really passionate about a certain area and they know that OTS can help then it is worth being brave and just at least putting that out into the universe and seeing what comes back at you. Exactly, you know if I don't know I would like to make on that is we go to the school to and we learn how to become good employees. And this is something that like just being entrepreneur. I really like thought about because no one taught me or encouraged me to take these risks. But yes, if you if there's something you want to do and you don't see it go out there and create it. Thanks again for having me. This was a great conversation. I'm almost done. We don't want interviewing people. So it felt good to just be interviewed and share like these other parts of my story that I know are really helpful for people. So thank you. Well, thank you for coming on. I know that your time is very valuable. So I and everybody else really appreciates it. All right everybody. I hope that you enjoyed that interview don't you just love her I just feel like she's amazing and I could listen to her talk forever, which is very good because she has her own podcast. So make sure that you check it out and if you are Are new to this channel, make sure you check out season one, and if you are a long-term subscriber that I'm sorry that I Disappeared, but I'm back. I'm going to try and release an episode every week and I would love for you to be a part of it. So if you are interested, then email me at spill the OT @ gmail.com. 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Welcome to season 2 of Spill the OT Podcast! Today we are talking about burnout with Erika del Pozo from "The Burnt out to Lit Up" Podcast Erika del Pozo, MOT, OTR/L holds a BA in Dance and Master’s in Occupational Therapy from Nova Southeastern University. Erika has practiced in outpatient pediatrics for five years and also has experience working with older adults with progressive neurological conditions. Erika created a modified-dance curriculum for adults with Parkinson’s Disease in Boca Raton, FL in 2016. Erika’s special interests include work well-being and burnout prevention in healthcare. She is CEO and founder of Joy Energy Time, a business dedicated to helping healthcare professionals and organizations address the ongoing challenges of burnout. She is also the creator and co-host of the Burnt Out to Lit Up Podcast, a holistic wellness show for healthcare professionals. Erika served as an adjunct professor at Nova Southeastern University for three semesters, collaborating with Dr. Lambdin-Pattavina to teach Occupational Analysis and Human Interactions. Erika has worked with several distinguished continuing education agencies, creating short and long evidence-based courses around holistic and multi-level approaches to address burnout and mental health in healthcare.

Welcome to my life because it has applied episode 271. This program is dedicated in honor of the 50th birthday of Rob Dyrdek Neal Jacobson a supporter of ours a supporter of my life to the supplied a big balls Dhaka in many different areas and also first cousin of mine. We share our fathers were brothers. So may have a 50th Birthday - no such luck hail all hail bhishambar igneous in all possible ways 50th birthday always mentioned, of course the status With the lever the lever turn 50 said the my man and tough senior days said the my man on the capital noon Olive add nice faucet. If te omnis a number of turn 50 the rebel gave over that it should hover over that mind so that my mom has particular significance when it comes to this birthday course Comission Omission late sir, and all the interpretations of it. Okay, we're in the beginning of the nine days. The real gimel of today is gimel of and we're going into which is of course the birthday of Camille and we're going towards the saddest day of the year. I'm a sheer comes and I'll be the most celebrated day of the year to ship of this coming shop is because it shop is its needthe and the fast will be pushed off of Michelle doesn't come till Sunday, which we'll talk about next week Sunday, so Even a very significant period that has many many lessons to us and especially as a citizen explains to look at always the positive and find even the darkest moments even in times of pain and Times of sadness to find the joy to find the unity to find the godliness within it all and that of course is the message of this period in time and of course the three weeks began shavasana, but Tom is it intensifies The Grieving and the morning the nine days began on Friday. As I mentioned last week two days will be also Heyman akimov, which is the your side of that Lisa your site is the outer box planes in tiny is not a day of sadness alone, especially years later. It's a day when pale your shoes because of our it's all the are very done all the work of that particular static and that day gathers together elevates and also Pearl your shoes. It affects salvations baquette of artists, even the depths of this Earth even the lowest levels So it's interesting that this takes place right smack in the middle of the nine days. Hey of as the yard set of Iran accountable Schrader shop and we spoke about Magnum revolver marker that before the market before you have the illness before you have the Affliction and in this case the Affliction of the nine days, which is so much about period separation firstly the cinema screen on the bases hatred which caused the tent structure of the second temple. Secondly the The period that that causes throughout the tire seder styles with the entire Cosmic order where the divine presence which was in the base. I made this in the Holy Temple separates and the reveal level and goal is by definition is a displacement is psychological emotional physical spiritual displacement all indicating two separations. Comes Adam and that is out both focusing on the message of Ardis to repair the breach to repair the Schism. What do we do? We add an increase in things of unity. So you find by that these are fascinating thing that spoken about this in previous years just constantly always amazes me throughout history. You find the many many great leaders. Often those great leaders will leaders in their community and sometimes they became known in the entire world. But it took time because are often different disagreements, even their number and for example was controversial in his time. Some did not hold of everything. He did till the time bomb came and brought his not so Sunny defense and and that's when and run bomb was then virtually accepted by everybody. But you find throughout history even great leaders the word different opinions come to these are the we came on the scene only a year little more than a year and a half the last years of his life last year. Eight months of his life came to serve as he was embraced by all the great leaders of space which was the greatest leaders of the Jewish community that we're talking about the basis of and the tarmac schliemann out of its talking about the al-sheikh mean the list goes on behind the towel of the grades that all embraced him and he was embraced everywhere even though there was one person who questioned but then once he realized what that is I was and they called them a gun at the key Aisha the key and the value. Divine human being and usually takes time for a person to emerge as that even the recording to the laws of man in the healthiest man with a time bomb. How does someone get accepted with time as people recognize his greatness? Remember this was also a time before technology people study and once he's endorsed and braced by everybody but here's filed them in ashkenazim. And today exceed them an oxidant of all walks of life. These are a unifying force like that as be wasn't his time. Why because that is a United both parts of Tater nickel the tail of the body of Terror and the spirit and the soul of Terence Moss that I said. So when you're in that type of level where you're not looking at studying or teaching a certain part of data you have you create unity and Harmony that Harmony spills over also entire Harmony among people. So who better is that side because that mokuba and especially that is our who pioneered what would be called mister illegal has a sock off. The time coming to reveal this Kaufman this inner wisdom until then it was not a Mitzvah is actually was a considered to be something that has to be kept under cover individuals and private and was very kept known and very closed circles that began the process that the Baal Shem Tov who's here from this year. But only accelerate with the spreading of the Wellsprings to the outside and then each generation after the subsequent to that even more so more so as a preparation to the Gula and also To Greater light to deal with the darkness and it's hot Muhammad Ali they're interconnected. So who better I was Arabic as a sad occasion Asia door about legal about Prema sathya a uniter in tailoring your neither on so many levels revealing the international of things which of course is the key to Unity when we say the mitzvot after that. He'll come over question is how so the Baal Shem Tov teachers by looking at the soul of a person as explained in tiny chapter 32, so these are who taught the The soul and the very dramatic and pioneering way revolutionary way. You can even say that elicits also revealing the soul and all of us who creates a Unity which counters and as an antidote and a could see a preventive medicine and an antidote to the pyramid to the separation and the disharmony and the fragmentation of this particular period in time so that teaches us as well that we have to increase in these days. It's in even deeper love and you do that by going even deeper into the soul of a person because you could say you know what? I just don't like certain people are going to be a Mitzvah regulate could say there's a Mitzvah to do good to someone charity even if you don't like them, but the same instructive I have to love How's there at the maggot? Ask the question loving God? How can you regulate an emotion the answer is when you contemplate on the soul of an individual you recognize that the specialness that every human being has every Jew has and that like he says entirely me had a good Last Mile awesome. I've effort look alone. And we're all children were all brothers and sisters one father and we all have a soul that's unique and these Souls connect. That's the evaded the work in this period in time and that is our least A indirect guides Us in that fashion many other things that can be said about this about the result. Remember tough salaamed. Hey the debit then made the assume on the circus and he spoke about Polly of the my voiceover David. Rossi will probably be wholly mvgame and he spoke then about at the other of polyuria Madero a person works at the other than that. I became all the different interpretations. Absalom and hey and then he added that is as interpretation at the order of and then gave the interpretation that about the art of include. So the end of Godless are of going on the darkness of goddess and explain that all the interpretations come together unite. I spoke about this in previous episodes, which I'm going to cross-reference right now episode 76 126 172 up to 21. Now. This leads us also from here we go into of course the days that we get closer to Trish above and this year tissue. Is also Shabbos cuisine? So usually Shabbos kazane is the Shabbos before Tisha b'av. This year it's on Tisha b'av and the fast as I mentioned is pushed off till Sunday what Shabbos cousins has a niche iot is the vision of a shy way. He talks about the destruction, but then concludes impermissible dupatta the remedy as well that Zion will be redeemed through miss Patricia State. Oh hello commissioner and Chevelle its captives to the docket to charity which are also uniting forces tell you night since dr. Unites. So Shabbos cousin we know the famous Peters every year that Everwood cited the name from the oblivious about determine that uphill parature sites. Now what that cousin is also refers to addition to the vision of your shy the vision that shown to each individual from afar is shown the base. I'm English Lucy the Third Temple in order to evoke the guy go in the yearning to want to rebuild it by doing what we have to do to rebuild the base emitter the unity Taylor Mitzvahs and so on. And it gives a muscle for it emotional of a father who loved his son chose to we for him a beautiful shirt a shirt and the child were the shirt a few times and then accidentally made a mistake and it should got torn so then a sham God the father went and we the king went and World War II should even better not more beautiful than the first one and again the same thing happened this time God the Father the king says I won't leave aside. Given the shirt are we even a more beautiful and I'll show it to him once a year from a distance. So he should want to appreciate it. And then we'll miss you here comes the Ghulam. It is very slimming the business. Actually. She then I'll give it him. It'll be an eternal make the Chutney Kenya Dhaka biased. It's an eternal and the shirt will never again be torn or or compromise it anyway. That's the example because as the level seemingly be a better example to give from a building since the base I make this is Marshall. Mm example an analogy for for the temple. Why is shirt? It should have been built a beautiful palace for his son and he messed it up that it get destroyed. Then he built even a better one. At the base and he's even your coven is even greater than by schedule here by Sacrament by sedition both in years and in size and so on it stood longer phones and 20 years. Not just 410 years. It seemed more appropriate to give the example of a building and then give a show. So the based on me - every why garment and the Never explains in cities talks about mark - that there's two types of Mikey from there's a market for a quarter of the market for Rocket. My curve means a market that's Bullshit us like a garment a garment even though it is a Mac if it's not who you are to garment you put on but it's a garment that's tailored to the body of the person. So it's a mark of a quarter of its called a Transcendent state but it's a trend say that's commensurate and relates to the structure the human being in this case Market Falcon rocket league is compared to a bias bias is not as close as also Mark if you live inside the home, but from a home you can always tell who is living in there From a garment you can tell the size of the person a healthy garment is fits tailored 10. Some occupy. Iraq is the Transcendence that's even more distant. The reason that they did suggest the Marshal of a garment because he wants to explain at the base. I mean this relates to us not as a distant structure, but like a garment that relates to us and we can see it as shown on Shabbos cousins one of the explanations that ever gives why the muscle is used this example is used which of course tells us that this is that we're Insomnia shops Hussein, even though we don't see physically in the lab explains this in many different ways but its effects we can see if we allow ourselves in effect is how awake us wakes up arguing my yearning to want to rebuild a but it's something that we see like something that relates to us. Not just a building but actually like a garment that we can dresses us up should hunting be safe from the god rests among us as a garment is closer to our beings than a structures and that tells us that this this period in time though one end. As I said is the saddest time the calendar sat it period in time it also has within it a tremendous potential tremendous potency that when you allow ourselves, we can explicit even a deeper type of connection a deeper unity and a deeper connection. Also the base emitter Sushi, which is a direct product. I'll grow outgrowth of our activities our actions so we can visualize it and we can relate to it and say how Zane The Hussein was shown this and we we learned to the right we learned to allow it to impact motivate us to grow that is what this period in time is about. So there are times in the year where we get Gilliam. There's Revelations that Inspire us regular holidays not know holidays regular but each one in its own way. Then this times the years through the distance. So the fact that we're so something and we don't have it and you feel that angst you feel that? Lack that lack that void that vacuum is whether it elicits even a more intense wish and will and desire to connect and that's a lesson to all of us in life that when there's a setback or there's any type of situation that we would call challenging that is like a nine days in our personal lives. It has the capacity to demoralize us, but what it should do is elicit from us and motivate us to dig deeper and find even greater fact. Nurses and strengths and skills to be able to bring even more light into the entire lives. So that's where some lessons from this soon as I refer ready to previous episodes. So here's a good opportunity. My life's it has supplied is a service that meaningful life offers you go to the supply that calm and the full array of all the programs 270 episodes last six years are all there you can they're indexed you can Of them by topic or by episode there also time stamps. 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And we posed them every week the new essays of this past Year's contest this 2019 contest. Okay, good. Let us now move to some other topics and some follow-ups. So the next question is is there life on other planets according to the Torah? Okay, so I did address this two weeks ago. We spoke about the landing on the moon and the rubbers zika. So this is rubber actually has to let me read the question and then the rub is response according to Exodus can there be reproductive light outside of planet Earth and can there be beings with free will Other than Phil other than human kind the answer is yes. There's a seated Vadim Shabbos partial dividing this job. My job is 50 years ago tough shot of test the 1969 that Summer with the rebels spoke about in connection to the events then of landing on the moon for the first time. And basically with the Rebus said then regarding this topic is was with landing on the moon. Of course re brought up. Again. This question is there life on other planets and the debit basically cited that from a parsec in the in shaved him and she does Vader in capital. Hey, so this was after the war with Baroque winning the war against sisera is enemy so in chapter, hey, Chapter 5 verse 20 the variable then the via the prophetess sings the stars in their course fought against sisera. And then in verse 23, she continues our room arose the auto a schwa in English curse me rise said the angel of the Lord Chris bitterly its inhabitants because they did not come to the help of God against the mighty man. So what's the matter is that's the question so the two opinions in the talmud in weight cotton 16a. Arashi sites that I believe on the poster Caswell one opinion is that it's referring to a certain place in the world. that that the people live there and that's what it's referring to a city and inhabit since then habits of the city that did not come help but a second opinion, which is much more much more definitive one because since we're talking about The stars in their course Ford against sister. The kick of him that murder case is a case of is a planet. Celestial body whose inhabitants not come to help buttock. So based on this stage, where is Val its inhabitants inhabitants of another planet now, the interesting thing is the first opinion does not say there is no life on other planets. It just says in this context you could teach me raises a city and in this world so conceptually, even both opinions even the first opinion does not negate the possibility the second opinion clearly states. That means life on another planet. That's very clear. As I said it fits into the number of rays, you know sounds awfully similar to Mars. Not necessarily that's its meaning I'm just pointing that as an aside that ever went on to explain. However that you have to say because of theological reasons that it since Taylor was given to this world because of this creation of life with free will then you have to also give them directions what to do and since data was given a scene I only want Ada was given to this world you have to save there is like that life on other planets. This is with this the automata is making me raise that it's not a life of free will it's not Life as We Know It rep reductive. Why not those anywhere you can have reproductive life, but hear you clearly see that it's possible corner to everybody according to one opinion actually is life on other planets, okay? Fine, everything has to do with citizen applied. What why is it in relevant to us that there's life on other planets and that first of all, it adds into the amazement of magadha moussaka God's creation that he created such a vast solar system including life. It also teaches us the value of Our Lives because the end of the day everything was created in order for us to elevate the world with our Free Will and through Tate it to transform the world into I did Abbott octane. So any life out It just like this tremendous amount of Life on this planet and that also teaches us the value of Our Lives because we have the ability to elevate all of that and to refine it all into directed towards its purpose. Okay, let us now go to the next question does call of Israel affect our emunah and Stedman Mistress of underlying reasons and higher purposes. For example, I've heard I've heard. That the rubber says that keeping Harvest has a greater effect on our has a great effect on our immunization faith in God. What is the source of the turf of this? And what is The Logical connection between eating whole vessel and having a Munna? So firstly I spoke about this more at length that episodes 108 110 and 112 So This is the head loss is the mission and then there's a locker social knowledge about call of ockham. Meaning call of that is not watched by a Jew how it was milk than how it's taken care of and prepared because of the shots of concerned that it might mix in other milk from other animals that are not Kosher and that is the technical reasons, but everything has a deeper reason and let's say there is milk mixed in why? That bother us so this goes back to the laws of kosher itself. Why do we eat kosher so you can say it's a hooker. That's what God Said. These foods are permitted. These foods are not permanent, but we know that in addition to the fact that that's what God wants everything has a reason and that's why you're finding the commentaries and Posh mini you find an ounce in the different commentaries that I'm buying and buying a buffet and the ulcer I believe they all Talk about the fact that animals that don't have the signs of kosher animal are more predatory animals animals that chew their cud and have split hooves are generally domestic animals. And since you eat you are what you eat. You're sooo much you consume the effect of eating a certain animal has an effect on us, even in general even kosher food has an effect on us affect our personality and our moods. Heh, Your foods and so on. So therefore as the xia says that there are more sensitive souls in the world like the heart. They have to be more careful of what you what you consume. So the regular world the Jew with the regular world not the Jewish world a non-jewish world that foods are not poisonous. They're not destructive in that sense. And because their spirituality they can they're able to eat those foods, but for Jewish person compared to do Due to the heart they have to be more sensitive because the hearts more sensitive. So what food it consumes, so Hall of ockham will go into the same category. We're now getting into whether it needs as Rocket today according to Rabbi Moshe and so on and so forth bottom line is the artificial kind of many others have said that we're not looking for any loopholes here. There could be a loophole. We have a certain Hector but generally speaking Hall of ockham is the issue is not whether whether it's just whether it's watched is that there's something about a certain food being Cared about that make sure that its most refined and therefore fitting spiritually for the person to consume. So therefore based on all the sources that talk about what non-kosher food does and this case in this case called vacuum would be the possibility of something not Kosher from another animal being mixed into the milk. So it has an effect on our personality including the effect of a new moon. Now, it's Fallen. It speaks about a mostly in the simply Kabbalah. I didn't actually bring up a source. I'll look it up. I didn't look it up an actual Source buttons in more in Kampala talks about and citizen of course talks about how foods have an effect on us including Hall of Arkham has an effect in a negative way because as I said when you're talking about what your consumers becomes our flesh and our blood you want to be most sensitive. So just like the example would be that you want to eat healthier foods the same thing. Some foods that are more conducive to adding an increasing a person's faith in a person's connection to the Divine and certain foods that create more disconnection. And therefore that can affect a person's Faith. That's why you have stories. I'll tell Debbie even there's a story where somebody can't them that they that they were a saint and son that a child that was dealing with not with was having doubts in a faith having questions about faith without the rubber said, they probably ate something from call of ockham because that affects the faith, that's a Source of failures from a story. Is there a source further beyond that in the books in there with excuse for a diesel or other Kabbalah that I have to look up if anybody has any sources, please share them with and I'll share them on this program. Okay next question. Again, I refer you to those episodes where I discuss this more at length. The next question is is it appropriate to paint a mural of the altar Lebanon alley wall? So I discuss this topic back in episodes 186 188 and 193. But since the top question came in again, let me read the question and then briefly respond. But I tell you where I spoke about it at length there. Hi Robin Jacobs about a year ago. I wrote to you about a number of graffiti paintings of the rubber drawn on Ali walls in Crown Heights, which was then spray painted over by zealots. And that letter I express my feelings that is inappropriate to paint the image of the Rebel alley walls you seem to agree with me. Unfortunately history repeated itself a few weeks ago when another I think graffiti graffiti artist painted them image of the alto de Bona alley wall on Kingston Avenue in Crown Heights to save the state is the state's is this to say it's distasteful I think is an understatement. I'm swimmin. You may wonder why I am to defend the honor of the altar Deborah the truth is I asked myself the same. Question my reply is every car battery acid has a responsibility and obligation to defend the honor of the out 11 all that. I've been I'm not going to blame the artist because I'm assuming he's not the barrage and he had good intentions. However, the Otters are not draw this in the middle of the night. It was by day and I'm sure he got permission from the nearby store owner or property owner to paint on the building. Ella bhava chakra should know better and understand that this is not an appropriate place to paint the image of a debe, especially when in my opinion the start of the drawing is not to honorable either I would like to say to the artist if he would be listening to your show that he's up there is obviously a gifted artist. However, it has to be utilized in the right way. For example, such art can be used to spread the seven laws of Noah the 10 Mitzvah campaigns, but drawings of the rub on Ali walls is totally inappropriate in my opinion. Gevalt Vegas leg. What are the where are the lab on him rather call an ash? Of course, this should be resolved that kid named Abu Dhabi shalom in a peaceful and calm and a and a peaceful way Miss Simon potato. We conclude with good as today is referring to the date when the letter was written as a while ago. I would like to conclude with a blessing that all of class all analysis on the world over should be blessed only with revealed good materially and spiritually maschiach now, I mean, okay, so I did speak about it and the different sides of the story. I didn't come up with a definitive response, even though I do agree leaning toward against it because knowing from other debit treated with said not to make caricatures not to make cartoons and comic books of the debate team. Everything should be the original pictures. We have them also was against making it up on a stamp because it could be discarded and the could be defaced. So I would tend to agree that especially since I'm not a hundred percent sure. Why not why take the risk and just not do it. So I would agree with that to go and deface it and spray painted as I don't know if that's a vandalism is also not a solution. So I'm not going to sing the morning because I did speak about it in a 186 186 is me and 193. But I appreciate you bringing it up again and may join The Fray and met everybody weigh in on this matter. As I said, I don't have a black-and-white source, but based on things I've seen and what I've heard someone ask me I would say what's the need to do it for? No Mitzvah to do it. So then stay away from something of this nature. That is it that you sir that I said. I didn't say it's a Prohibition but there's a matter of respect and this is so appropriate now some may argue. Wasn't a way of publicizing so firstly this is being done in Crown Heights. We're not talking about publicizing putting up a picture of the Alta debe somewhere which with a rat awaken people to True vert either skies. And even then maybe a picture is better than a then a then a piece of art, but the idea is as we do have art of the rub a name. So the question is where you posted most cases Arts is placed on a wall in a museum in the house and they shoul in a Chabad house. The other question is more an alley wall in the street, which ended they also the weather will affect that says I said, I would lean against it but I'm not going to rule on this. I'm black and white because I don't know if anyone can make such a ruling so enough said on the topic if anybody wants to weigh in please share and love to hear your comments and I'll address it. Okay next question. Next question is how can we explain the many wives of yaakov Schlemmer and others? Yeah. This is a follow-up to episode 267 on polygamy. I listen to your answer with great interest in appreciated in that episode. However, I still have so many questions since I was a young teenager, I struggled deeply with understanding how we say alakay yaakov when he had four wives I can get rock on there but bilhah and zilpah has come keep lines quite honestly the thought made me makes me nauseous as you see history goes on WE me Of animals, he had so many wives and then when he was older had absolute to warm them up then we move on to Slama 3000. If we would hear of a modern-day figure having 3,000 women, we would call them all sorts of names and this is wash em shows to build a base. I'm English. As a teenager, I asked every Rabbi and rebbetzin and met to help me understand this why yes, there can be individual answers to each situation the sheer numbers and the fact that these are such major figures in Jewish history was still something. I couldn't fathom. I eventually decided to try and put the concept to rest and except that I understand that I understand so much Toyota and so much about what we do and you describe that it's okay not to understand at all. Fast forward some time. I'm now Baruch Hashem married shloka and a mother. These questions have not come up in my life as I teach these stories to my students as our hummus with my son and watch my daughter say tell him I've searched for an answer yet. Can't seem to find any I wonder what I will say to my children when they ask me with all the recent scandals going on in the world. These topics are currently a hot-button issue. So in my community ask me, what's the difference was between Jeffrey Epstein Trump Clinton and all the other men who use their power to abuse and manipulate women and the men in Jewish history. I gave the same wishy-washy answers. I heard my whole life, but I don't feel answered myself. I would truly love your input. Okay, so as you know, I don't shy away from any questions and though this question is not a simple one. I will say the following. I think it's important instead of trying to find cute or or and say the word cute but trying to find an answer for each particular episode and sometimes forced answers a lot of loopholes and so on and so forth. I think it's important to let's go take the approach a different approach completely. What is Tatum and who are all these individuals. Why do we give them such sacred roles and divine? Mission that they all were on and then when you find these things of course, it's very quite questionable. We ask these questions. So the truth is when you go through Taylor in general not just this these episodes you'll find full of controversial stories kind kills have the whole story of had dates at Das things that happened through their animation then by the marble and then things that happen afterwards, I mean this barely a story. I don't know if there is one peaceful calm story that just has from beginning to end. End peaceful beginning and end you have users brother selling them into slavery and almost killing him. You have the story with your hood and Tom are you have light and his daughters not mentioning a coven a severe talking to small the list goes on and on and on so yes in each case, you can come and give an explanation why what happened and how to explain it but I'll speak from the perspective that I came to learn to be at peace with this was not just that like you're saying some things you don't understand we have to The goal of the other way around what is Teta and who are these individuals? So there's an expression there's an expression that there are men that shallow and others bring the rubber sites in a number of places. What is Tater Teta is the blueprint for creation taters Hawk must have been it's a national college bar. Oh God infused invested God committed to working towards his will and his wisdom. That in turn takes on a narrative story which is the story of the title, but a first and foremost it is a Divine story. In the words of them and I manage a law is like this Tatum it that Benny's Bell. Hey Mama dramas, but octane the Taylor speaks about things above it's about it's a spiritual book. It's a book of God's blueprint and plan and it hits the things below. She said, what do you mean that hints to isn't historical narrative below are the Mojave Adam and Eve in the garden and then the rest of the generations through the narrative form so debilitated below shipping yard in the tarot speaks in the language of man. It is a metaphor. It actually happened these people did live and they went through the story exactly a mere creation, but they proved they were not saying that it's a metaphor that it didn't happen. God forbid it all happened, but that's real story is the story behind the story. First of the happened on a spiritual level and then it evolved on a physical level. So when the Jews were in Egypt was because in Luke nice and Shady shot volume, you have a spiritual Egypt which is Masada McMullen Lovin. For example, love on our Ami, who was a Russia. After his father-in-law soul of us. It is sites from Kabbalah is rooted in Raven alien in the supernal whiteness laven Elliot supernal whiteness of attic and that's reactive dealt with his sheep and all the explanations. Lovin Assad says, they'll do a Mazda also the Kim everything in this world has a spiritual Roots even a lava and the same thing with an ace up and the same thing like of a submarine but part of the same thing with even the Balaam embolic even though That we would call Wicked people all have a spiritual root in the spiritual story there may reflect some type of negative energy in Lovins case actually reflects very powerful energy Patty. We have party of course party was at an ungodly is considered to be the Great Serpent. That we have raised the head of the Clipper ultimate clip ultimate negative energy and yet it says in Isaiah is Padilla the May spare your Canadian party also refers to that from him Bruce out all the energies Akash Parish a conspiracy of course was a king in Persia has various was a Russia or a tip has however, the gemara explains it and yet we say I can say this is also made a Exodus sites and deliver brings after his relationship with a mellow chakras. This is silly. How do you reconcile the two because when it comes down in this physical world to take someone shape, but in its root it all has spiritual sources and some of them are very high spiritual levels. So when you think of it that way that the Taylor begins on the spiritual level upon Him Shauna card material and the Taylor precedes existence then all the stories that you hear about whether it's with the a coven has four wives or Slammer or dove in and so on all happened first and foremost on those spiritual levels, that's where you can understand it because they each thing has a spiritual role if we were talking about just regular people and they came around they happen to be great people great leaders, and then here you have some of the three thousand wives. Four wives and so on. You have all the questions that you have to find bend over backwards to find all kinds of explanations that you could find. Jacobo for Martin Taylor. There was no problem having more than one wife, but I discussed polygamy. So I'm else's after Montana was Tucker frowned upon and because of that it caused a big problem because the split of this land mammals Kingdom, but how does that satisfy my mouth? We talked about them as building the base. I'm English He represents us High spiritual levels. The only way is to explain it on the spiritual level and then it manifests itself on a physical level sometimes for good and sometimes has negative elements with yaakov. It's considered to be a very spiritual high level which slam actually in a physical level is not considered a Positive same thing with with David and mellow and yet the gemara says anyone who says David sinned is making a mistake, but he did things that seemingly with that way. That's why you have to the only way to really ultimately understand it is understand that on that spiritual level because they're the things make sense and everything has its purpose and what would be the purpose Yakov needed to create the 12 tribes, they needed different attributes and that had to come from four different mothers. As we discussed back in the episode through 67 slam. I'm Ella if the final explanation what his intentions were with the spiritual intentions were whether it was to create Sparks that would be spread all over the world through these different women that he was with the different wives and on the physical level as I said, it could evolve to being actually something that was not appropriate. So we are not afraid of saying that because the trailer itself sells for David Amell was not allowed to build a base of me. Who's because Dom it off sifaka. He spilled a lot of blood but David is David emmel but yet blood and be somebody's don't go hand in hand. Was there a spiritual reason for it? Yes. Was it preparing the ground? Yes. Can you explain it? Yes, but at the end of the day the true explanation were these things make sense is only on the spiritual level. And once you know that you can put us you can do you can come to you can find a good explanation for any one of these stories because each one's on the spiritual level. This is how it had to be it wasn't just some desire that he wanted have three thousand wives or some desire. They wanted for sin that come down to human frailties and human flaws. There's always a deeper spiritual meaning behind it all. It's interesting. I never saw this anywhere. But the three thousand wives you also talk about 3,000 metaphors that slam on Miller's cave to explain every give an idea maybe that has a connection to it because remember the Milan ruefully is usually Isha. So the issue is like is like is like to death two dimensions of one reality and at some point you shows the Wonder Woman the fear the feminine energy manifests this the the energy the see that the mail. Infuses her with so could be that 3,000 women were for him at type of 3,000 different ways of expressing the Divine. I mean, as I said, once you go on the spiritual level you can find explanations the point I wanted to make was really addressing it not specific this story that story but just that a different attitude then the day I don't find another way to really silly to explain Taylor or else you're going to be constantly apologetic and constant the defensive and constantly trying to maneuver to explain Is or avoid things and so on whereas if you understand it this way it all begins on a spiritual level and evolves in a physical up on the physical level. Sometimes it's not exactly the way it was meant to be is not that it always correct appropriate or the explanation. Is that a given that gave that different had that was allowed in different situations? That is the general purpose explanation on this topic. next question Hi, I grew up in a from Chabad family went to a regular barber school. I'm 23. I want to get married but I'm not religious. I'm not from I feel absolutely nothing for you to scratch. I don't keep Shoppers and don't keep kosher. I'm not looking to marry someone from I feel nothing for you described. I wish I did I'm miserable and unhappy most of my friends are married starting families running kobata us as and all that. I wish I felt Anything for users guide let alone a passion for it. I feel nothing I feel dead inside. Do you have any advice for me? Okay. Well, unfortunately I've heard this more than once but each story is another story and I don't know the details. So it's hard for me to speak to you personally about your specific life story, but I will say this. We all have our life trajectory alive Journey that begins when we're children in the things we go through that cause us to grow up in different ways. Some people grow up in very beautiful homes some grew up in very painful homes dysfunctional homes. I'm not sure what kind of home you grew up in but I will say this the fact that you feel miserable the fact that you feel unhappy to me is a cry of your soul and you're writing it to me. It's a cry of your soul looking for something this isn't about trying. Convince you to be from and its culture and culture and keep Shabbos and so on that to me are the symptoms the key is to find someone you can speak to and really open up spiritually soulfully because at the end of the day the Mitzvahs and the Taylor mistress and the Yiddish guide we grew up with are the tools are the methods are the the ways that God instruments. God gave us to live the best possible life, but frankly many of us are taught in a very negative way in a very dogmatic way and sometimes even a very abusive way. So to make soda, so it makes total sense or some people rejected because something presented to even if it's a beautiful Shabbos, but it's presented in an abusive way you want. You don't want to abuse you throw out the baby with the bathwater. So I would say the first thing most of all is to find someone that you can talk to heart heart to heart soul to soul not talking about whether what to embrace not to embrace because what you're describing is you want to have a life you want to have a happy life. However form it takes so without any agenda is without Trying to preach to you are trying to convert you are trying to an any way influence you I think you just need someone you can trust and open up to and just talk about your life and see what you can do to start experiencing something healthy. And yes a healthy relationship. I have no doubt that you will create bring Health into your life. Taylor mistress will be easier to embrace because of the coming from a healthy place you suddenly realize that Taylor admits was that may have been presented in an unhealthy dysfunctional way actually has a lot of beauty to it. And that's the challenge. So I look at this as a personal human issue find someone you can speak to a human to human not someone who's going to try to convert you. Someone's going to try to influence your try to be must be on you. So when you can just speak to open the talk about your life talk about what your things that are working for you things that are not working for you and try to start creating a regimen of healthier life where you can feel happy day by day and the rest will follow from there. So that's what my advice is for you is to find someone like that that is to me is the key to the whole entire thing and everything else will follow from there. Okay, if you want to follow up, so please write to us. But remember I was all Anonymous. If you want more want to be able to contact you around the response to you. Please give us your some contact information and I'd be happy to speak to you. We confidential or it off the thumb your name and perhaps pursue this a bit further. Okay next question. AA and the 12 steps, is it legitimate according to Torah and Facilities? Rabbi Jacobsen Schlitterbahn. I hope this finds you well. I've heard that one of the rabbis. Recently wrote an article against addicts going to 12-step meetings. Here's the link. I personally know Alex that have read his article and have questioned. They're going to meetings from what I know about addicts not going to meetings can often lead to relapse and Sirius B coefficient shoes. That's like death life and death issues. The rabbi references several articles. What is your opinion? Thank you. Another person writes. I am a Avid follower and going to 12-step programs, which has saved my life and my supervisor and my friends to really stay away from things that I was addicted to. I've heard some questioning whether this is something for a Jewish person and I'd like to know what your thoughts on this are because if I was told not To do that it actually would have a deep impact on my life and not in a positive way. Okay, so firstly let me refer you to episodes 105 to 107 where I spoke about this more at length there was about whether it's compatible 12 steps with the Torah now as always I am not here to speak as a row of a basic to rule on this matter. If you have a rabbi a row that you trust in the Rover's question it so you can ask the role of respectfully. What should you do since you just not suggesting I wanted 12-step and then what are the Alternatives and I believe in these articles there are alternatives. I'm not here to rule on the matter, but I will say there are abundant that are big Advocates of the 12 Steps because they've seen it work Rabbi twersky famous Rabbi in portrait or ski is was can be consulted on this matter and he talks about a lot. There are even those that have found have written books and shown are the 12 steps are associated with Yiddish kite. Yeah now through the 12 Steps themselves were found and not necessarily by Jewish and that from Jewish sources could even be from dubious sources. The question is There are healthy form the 12-step that has nothing to do with anything. That is not that is antithetical to Toyota like the rebel spoke about meditation creating a meditation Transit TM. That is a kosher form of it. Now. Look how killer when I talk about someone who's a healthy person we're talking about someone who will is need of this. And yes, I do myself know many many people who the AA and 12 steps have helped and continue to help and they all swear by it including Chamblee Taylor mistress who uh who have asked about him and so on since I'm not Ruling on the matter. I don't want to rule on the factor. So I would say the following twelve steps and they have proven methods that have worked. They do not need to have things that are unkosher or things that are not Jewish or things that are christianize with things that come from other places. There are elements in it that are very very consistent with idea of accountability that give a higher power of God and so on. So whether you call the 12 steps or a is not really relevant. The question is the method works and since it works by with the supervision and guidance of a row of and of my Spear and professionals, I would go Case by case. And ask your people you trust your Rabbi your love and your must be and your mind and your therapist. What is the best way to deal with different addictions you're dealing with? So I look at it like Case by case instead of some blankets tape, and yes, go to 12-step not go to stop steps. Look at it case-by-case. Ask people. You trust a scattering person. You can ask more than one third person and get a good sense. Well sanctioned approach to life like anything. We always want to do it according to Taylor according to Exodus and I see See no reason there are many today people were trained both in a locker and it's citizen - cough and have a good psychology. We have a good understanding what works and what doesn't work. What's kosher what's not Kosher and so on and so forth. That's my response to this in addition to what I spoke about in those episodes. Okay next question. Sad topic suicide. Is bad or not? Why is it so bad to commit suicide? I spoke about this in episode 13 now, I just want to point out when I say I spoke about these things as not mean that the question is less valid. It's just that since we have a large body of material in my life because it has supplied cross-referencing is a way of not having to be redundant you can always refer to it. It's all accessible. So I spoke about it more in detail there with a very interesting letter from the river the brief answer. I'm But I smell - why is forbidden is because the same reason that we that the miraculin sin when they came to the conclusion, we cannot go into Israel because it's a land that consumes its inhabitants. God gave us life and gave us the strength to deal with life when we throw in the towel and say I have to end my life. God forbid. You're basically challenging God himself who gave you life as a blessing gave you the strength to deal with every given challenge. I'm not here to judge someone who has suicidal thoughts or was goes through that. Oh God. God bless them and should have the power to deal with their challenges. I'm not I can't put myself in their shoes. Someone comes to such desperate place. But if you're asking me the theological and - coffin the and the philosophical on the bay story-based a lot of bases because we are not here to make such a decision. We were given life figure out how to live not whether to live that's a gift from God and whether we see it as a gift or not. That is what we have to do is look for that gift and help find people that can help us get through the difficult times. Now this is not a statement of judgment. This is not a statement of criticism is just as the question so I'm answering the question just like we say why you're not allowed to mutilate yourself. You're not hurting anyone else. You're muted letting your own body because it's in the cost of solid colors bottle could alter that brings it that I'm brings into that buzz explains the course because the human body is not yours. It's a gift given by God and someone gave you a gift protected preserve it you don't glow and alter it. You don't tattoo. With you don't scar it. You don't want it and you definitely don't mutilate it. So take that in a broader sense life itself. Is that way it's not our life to play around with so you're tampering with the gods given God will only God gives life and that's why it's such something that we have to stay now. Stay away from because of that reason if someone is in a point where they have such little thought of thoughts, I don't think we have to yell at them and say who are you to go against God you have to find the kind words compassionate words loving words to show somebody the value that they have show them their value show them how important they are to you. To others and show them that love that will give them the will to want to go on. So let's separate the theological and philosophical from the Practical compassionate approach compassionate approach is showing them you will give them the life you have beautiful things that contribute why would you want to deprive others from the gifts that you have to give and from you're calling to what a shame God wants of you? So that's really an approach which I spoke about more in those previous episodes that I referred to. So I wanted to emphasize that has to be presented in a sensitive way. But since the question was the filth the theological what is so bad. That's the answer because it's not our life to play with. This is God's life and we have to protect it. We have to preserve it. Okay. Now remember we've been speaking about vaccinations. So I covered I believed everything I was able to find from the rubber answers and letters different approaches. But there are still questions that came in that I didn't answer some more questions and more questions keep coming in. I'm going to read sex selection of them not all of them because some of them are definitely, you know, like a gender-based crazy ranting and raving about Know that I vaccinations killing everybody as I said the basic summation when I said as we have a tailor for these things like for everything and the Taylor says to speak to doctors and the schuessler a philanthropist so between rabbis and tater people acidity and doctors and you can go to more than one is an approach to take and that's what the web is basing it on. So we shouldn't take medicine our own hands one way or the other everything has to be done with moderation with consideration. And we do it at eight away. It's not about each of us coming and becoming a crusader for or against vaccinations. It's not the points. What is God wants like I just said about life and about mutilation. What does God want us to do not what you want what I want. And their statistics medicine even regular medicine forget about vaccinations people go into surgery. Yes. Unfortunately, we know surgery sometimes doesn't work. Sometimes they're complications. Someone's going to come inside and say no more surgery. We're not going to do any medical interventions because we have some statistics that a few people have died. That's part of life. You have to look at the whole picture and we have a tater for this annotated by Vernon that all anticipated and told us how to go dress it with with doctors. Vaccination is part of that picture and the debit makes that clear I'll to freshman at Seaboard. It's part of her locker. We're talking about vaccinations that are proven and so on. So I'm just summing up what I said, but I'll read a few questions. Let me see. How more how many more there are there? Yeah. Okay. I don't know if I could read them all but I'll read at least a few may be reserved more for next time. So this is in addition to what we read already. From the fact zone right that the rubber encourage people to have their children vaccinated against polio. Is it correct to infer that the rebel would be Pro all vaccines? Abbi Jacobson, there are now some something like 16 different vaccines for children the USA of which are total of about 70 doses are recommended to be given to each child. There are many potential harmful ingredients in vaccines albeit in minut amounts, but the facts can be a cumulative so that when x 70 or so can well cause damage to more sensitive children the national vaccine injury Compensation Program has paid out over four billion dollars. Families of such children, even though they reject the majority of claims and the stood that understood that most cases are never reported on the families don't even try to make claims. The money paid out comes from attacks on all vaccinations sold evidently the CDC nose of the dangers of vaccinations, but they feel that it's worth sacrificing a few children for the sake of the many most children seem to be fine with vaccinations, but it is a fact that children today are not as healthy as they were in the USA. 50% of children suffer from chronic disease Which is higher than other developed countries, which give less vaccinations there are probably other factors involved but it seems that vaccination is not so innocent as we would like to think concerning the fact that vaccinations have a limited terrible diseases asthma shown that a basic understanding of hygiene together with clean drinking water and Modern Sanitation has already greatly reduced disease incidents before the introduction of the vaccinations nowadays vaccination is a huge You making business and parents are being advised to vaccinate against for example, chicken pox. Not on the grounds that it could be dangerous, but that the parents would have to miss days from work should their child catch it the rebels letters which have recently been publicized are about the polio vaccination perhaps there are others about other vaccinations of those days, but we now have so many more it is is it correct in danger, even a small potential of two centers of children in order to possibly help the majority and is it correct to say that this is what the rebel wants I've tried. To keep this short and I'm including some links in the PS if you need further information. Thanks in advance for addressing this question. And thanks for your amazing ongoing broadcast and then few few links. Look, we know these arguments and the rebels approach to polio can be applied to other vaccines as well. Absolutely wasn't just talking about one vaccine. I mentioned other letters. We generally took refers to vaccinations in general and it could be applied. But it's Case by case if a child is particularly sensitive or allergic so obviously have to address that but to Come Away with a conclusion that we should eliminate all vaccinations when so many doctors are recommending it and it has prevented many many diseases and Been eradicated some I would not have the the goal to be able to say that if you were writing is a doctor you're writing as a rabbi or you're writing you did in layman's research. So take this research to a doctor to several doctors be objective. Don't just look for those that will agree with you take it to rub on him and deal with it. That's how I would approach and take the rebels letters into account of what he says in general about vaccinations. So it's not about some type of Mitzvah vaccinations like a new midst of Our Generation, but it's Also, not a Nevada and I think everything in moderation and balance. Since there's some more questions, you know, what I'll say. I'll save them because of time limitations. Let me do a follow-up about parental alienation. This was back in episode 2 episodes back episode 269, okay. So first of all, there was a beautiful comment just to thank you. So let me read a thank-you from last week's episode. Why not? Thank you for addressing unusual topics. Like last week's women's wrestling question. Your answer was excellent. Keep up the great work of semen. No need to read this on the show, but just wanted to leave a brief message of support Barack Obama's law. Well, I'm reading it for myself or others. Why not now as far as parental alienation, so we got two responses. Let me deal with that one rabbit. Jake's been thank you so much for addressing the topic of Parental alienation and segment number 269. I'm an alienated father of four daughters over the past four and a half years and that time I've been robbed of several milestones in my daughter's lives and there's no restitution for those losses. I appreciate your concepts of Biddle objectivity and neutrality. I believe that those would be tremendously helpful to families in high conflict divorce. I think that the better question is how does one convince an instigator? To have that Bittle and what should be done to an instigator that refuses to be my bottle. Are there cases that can be that can demand for a leader to take a side in a high conflict divorce and are there lines for example alienation that neither parent should ever cross what might be reasonable actions to take the pressure and invest instigator to resolution of a high conflict divorce. Well, I believe I address this and being that there is usually two sides to every story. You know, you suggesting you're calling someone an instigator. I would not come to any. Inclusions unless I heard every other whole entire picture. So if you can get two people in the room with a third party a neutral party, that is a tailor person. That's an intelligent person that both of you trust. That would be step number one because then you see you see both sides of the story now, even if you're completely right that the other person is a completely evil person in the instigator and you're doing everything right so wise person will also look at that and see what can be done when we dealing with situation like you're saying, I believe I am address this but I just want to repeat it to Sister. It was another follow-up on this, but I will leave that again for a later episode. Okay. So let us now do see this questions to this question for this week. This is questions shoulders Clippers have today is there are a few ways of being Rivera shows clips that missile defense of course is the result of explains in tiny chapter 7 that shows could start today is is a set of six and seven is a this Clippers leg, which is more neutral neutral things that can be used for Holiness. It could be used for the negative. Short clips of maize are off-limits also be there. It's a name is the word also means Bound by the negative energies. So soften. It says there are three ways are refining by a yid holding back from them refrain correct shove voltas or shovel a over. Nevada is kilo has a Mitzvah that's avoiding it that way of refining it because avoiding it. She doesn't do it at canosa which means you avoid it and that way this the that itself is already elevating. Them number two by doing sugar for them is Dennis. NASDAQ is obvious when someone on God forbid fell and did-did-did transgress by doing trueba like at the end of chapter 7 it can transform the negative into a positive and three by using them in a state of the cork knavish. Correct. I'll deliver explains the guest. Okay this way using them for flavors from the person I'd say is God forbid K must eat on Yom, Kippur, even if it's not Kosher broken f is so become. NASA had the door had to go more even for that moment for that person because actually help them. So in some way you've elevated even though it's only in that situation that period of time and so on not it's not a permanent type of hat that the question is if by inspiring a non-jew to fulfill the Sheva mitzvos, can we beam of aerosols Clippers at me is that he is permitted with so few affect the non Jew who's allowed to eat certain foods that are Jus is all scripts that Mayors for a Jew is are you in some way elevating it is that another way for example for non-jews influence the fulfill the seven laws and eats bacon and uses that nourishment and energy to behave to serve God according to the several Sheva mitzvos is the holy Sparks of the of the pig or any type of shoulders Clips at the Met. Is that the now the nuns who benefits from become uplifted my answer, but obviously my my initial reaction would be yes because for that person is not awesome. Whatever the reason it's not us just like for example you horse is not that kosher to eat, but you're right a lot of right on a horse so scripts that made it doesn't always mean you can't use it in any way you can have enough from it, even though you're not allowed to eat from it. If I deserted you not a lot. I have not not eat and not turned on so on so you can say since for him it's allowed and then he's using the energy is eating something that's not doesn't say anywhere Sam. It's Nick and I like to eat certain foods for a non-jew non-kosher food. Talk about a Vermin are high that is explicit. One of the seven laws that you're not allowed to do. So why not say that if he's using it for good things is elevated. Is it the same way of elevating for a Jew May that may not be the case, but why not all of it? You can go even further Delta represents end of chapter 1 that going come from Shell scripts at Emmaus. And they explained that uphill explains that snacks to do miss Salem. So when a person becomes a hustle myself and you can say the shawls Clippers had met is that it was originated has now been transformed the Clippers naega, and he's elevated that that concept of doing things only the girl Maya from self. Tested Loom Catalyst has now been elevated to do something for the world for others, which is essentially submissively near the kindness has the nation of the seven noahide laws. That's how I would answer that. That's yes that is a way of elevating it as well. Even though I'm not seen it explicitly but it seems to me the correct to say that especially being that the that the non-jews Cradle Divine image. So you have that capacity in the areas that his work is an elevating and refining the world. Okay, let us now go to three essays. Every week we do three new essays of this last year's contest and this is an order of their marks. So we're now in the top 40 basically. So three essays. The first one is the benefits of uncertainty those Burke line 870 Manchester Manchester England works at the Y Waldman principle of conduct. There are M school. I think this age is quite rare. Most of the ages usually much much younger but nice to hear so the benefits of uncertainty he writes this essay. I will examine the different types of counsel offered to people grappling with anxiety provoked by an uncertain future. It will first explore and evaluate the approach of mono Psychotherapy next the traditional Jewish. Point and finally the habad Hasidic angle showing how they can be all incorporated into one unified picture. It will investigate the considered concept of thing good and it will be good and it's novel contribution to Jewish thought and goes on to do just that the modern approach the Jewish View and then the about Hasidic angle very well done very well organized and structured. Thank you. Next. Let's see. How does one break out of it's all-or-nothing attitude gishy Weinfeld. 8:33, Ontario, Canada Okay. Breakfast with little kids can go sometimes like this. I don't see the corn flakes. Sorry looks like we ran out of it. No conflicts. Well then how will I eat breakfast you can have oatmeal or Cheerios? No, I can only have conflicts. I can't eat anything else. I guess. I will starve this morning though. The sounds like typically young kid talk adults can also suffer from it's all-or-nothing attitude as it plays out in various forms in our lives and goes on to explain how that plays itself out of house is get provides an answer not to have this all or Attitudes which many of us get caught up in so short and sweet I say but nice very creative very interesting and of course very relevant and finally the third essay this week a more perfect union Hannah Peterson age 25 give actual Israel. The job is the click company designer. The Preamble of the Constitution of the United States of America sets out the vision with a vision for a fledgling country a country founded on the ideals of justice. Peace Liberty and most of all a more perfect union, but what does that mean for a country founded on such a strong belief in unity. It seems that the US has drifted further and further from more perfect with every passing year. What once what wants United us now divides us? And the strains of conflict that poison our national discourse seem to see over ever deeper into the Bedrock of our communities our families our home. So what are we to do about for the past 30 years. I've been studying psychology sociology and criminology at bar-ilan University. And the course of my Studies have found that though their approach different their approaches differ each of these schools of thought occupy themselves with the same thing understanding conflict. in this essay I'm going to look at it through the lens of us. It is. I will endeavor to shine light on the torus deeper Paradigm of conflict resolution. It will cover how we can act attain that goal of a more perfect union in our own lives and goes on to speak conflict and organizational approach. The tour approach hindemith averman. Oi'm what happens what happens when we avoid conflict the Tower of Babel? Kodak's Rebellion. So about case studies that Becky was students their conflict without empathy and finally nothing but God a deeper look at conflict. Well again, very comprehensive s a good topic well rounded and thank you for that. All these episodes are posted as we speak at me at so the supply.com and you can also receive their when you subscribe to our weekly emails email. We send out the all the essays as they're posted in general when you subscribe to My life to the supplied and YouTube you get notifications of every program including new things that are posted outside even of the series of my life. If I bring in Zan different discussions and different talks and lectures. So with that we conclude episode 271 my locks. It has supplied in this period in time the nine days where there are besides we should be making see human each night each day. So you mad and Simpson and I lock the dick away. That we add joy in these days and all things everything possible to enjoy and unity and a versus rural to counteract the negative forces that will ultimately have you hopefully I'm a male nurse us know simple amazing Tavian that even before tissue above the Golem it especially Emma here every Sunday will be here next Sunday as well the conclusion of Tisha b'av Nitra every Sunday 8:00 to 9:00 p.m. My life is it is supplied. Thank you so much.

Addressing the Personal and Emotional Needs of Our Community and Answering the Most Pressing Questions of Our Lives -- from the Perspective of Chassidic Thought. TOPICS: • Chassidus Applied to the 5th of Av and Shabbos Chazon 1:06 • Is there life on other planets according to Torah? 17:07 • Does Cholov Yisroel affect our emunah? 21:46 • Is it appropriate to paint a mural of the Alter Rebbe on an alley wall? 26:30 • How can we explain the many wives of Yaakov, Shlomo and others? 31:07 • I am no longer frum and feel like I am dying inside. What can I do? 42:17   • AA and the 12 Steps: Is it legitimate according to Torah and Chassidus? 46:08 • Why is it so bad to commit suicide? 50:30 • What does the Rebbe say about vaccinations? Part III 54:03 • Follow up (episode 269): Parental alienation 59:42 • Chassidus question: Does a non-Jew elevate sholosh klipos ha’tmayos when he fulfills the sheva mitzvos? 01:02:19 • My Life 2019 essays:     o The Benefits of Uncertainty, Dov Ber Klein,70, Manchester, England 01:06:35     o How Does One Break Out of “It’s All-Or-Nothing” Attitude? Gishy Weinfeld, 33, Ontario, Canada 01:07:49     o A More Perfect Union, Chana Peterson, 25, Givat Shmuel, Israel 01:08:42  Submit your question now at http://www.meaningfullife.com/mylife or email: [email protected].

This podcast is brought to you and made possible by generous financial aid from Peter kanzler K. Ay n z l-- e-- r-- you can buy his Amazon books at your favorite Amazon Branch, for example, the original texts of lock Hobbs and the US Constitution of Pennsylvania put together into one book for only $15. Thanks for listening what happened? So now we've got to the point where the story says. Well human beings became self-conscious. And here's here's the problem with that. The problem is is that we're terribly self conscious about our inadequacies in our vulnerabilities and that that sets up enmity between men and women and it Dooms women to pain in childbirth and child rearing and Adams men to work. It's a big problem. Okay. So now the next story that Hands up in the sequence is the story of Cain and Abel now, you know, we talked about the dragon of chaos, and then the terrible mother and the creative mother and on the tyrannical father in the secure father and then the adversary and the hero Cain and Abel are the first manifestation of the adversary in the hero. And what happens is they emerge as soon as the Genesis the original Genesis story ends. So what the story basically proposes is that we once people became self-conscious two modes of being emerged as a consequence of that and one mode is represented by Kane and the other mode is represented by Abel and that's echoed in the story of the Hostile Brothers in stories of hostile Brothers everywhere, but it's also paralleled in Christianity by the idea of the relationship between Christ and Satan. So it's like Cain and Abel are precursors to the idea of Christ and and and Satan now, what happens is that So Kane is the older brother and that makes him sort of the embodiment of tradition. He would also be the favored one in terms of the traditions of the ancient Israelites because he would be the one that inherits everyone so everything so he's actually the one that's he's like the embodiment of tradition and there's some out some advantages to that because he's privileged because of it but there's some disadvantages because to the degree that culture itself has become sterile and inappropriate and he manifests that that means that he Error by merely being what he was now what happens with an enable is the young is the Young Brother. so Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground. Okay. So there's there's a there's a dichotomy of professions here and people have read that in all sorts of different ways. But one of the ways that you can think about it is that there are valid different modes of being in the world, you know, so you can be in this situation. You can be a tiller of the ground or keeper of animals, but in the world in general you can adopt any number of roles that suffice you can be a plumber you can be a lawyer. Um, and there are there's there's ways of acting within those roles that transcend the roles themselves. And so that's part of what's being exemplified in Cain and Abel so they can they can function in the world despite their different. They're different roles in process of time. It came to pass that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the Lord and Abel. He also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof now that's very archaic the idea of sacrifice. Okay, so basically, What happens is that you're trying to get God on your side? And so God seems to want something from you because he's keeps demanding this and that so you might say well reality wants something from you once you to behave in a certain way so that you don't suffer any more than you have to and so that things go well for you now human beings at this point in time. We're trying to work out exactly what that means and they've already got to the point where they're conceptually sophisticated enough to understand that that means that sacrifices are necessary. Now you remember that it's only prior to this that human beings. Over time itself, right? That's when they discovered that their they become self-conscious and discover their extension across time. And so one of the consequences of realizing that your extended across time is that you also will come to the realization that you may have to let go of certain valuable things right now in order to make things work better in the future and you can't imagine that people just woke up and figure that out. I can took people God only knows how long to sort that out its tens of thousands of years to come up with that realization. First of all, they I would have acted it out like bees. Do you know they collect honey and they make it through the winter, but they don't know what the hell they're doing or maybe they do maybe their little supercomputers like these bloody atoms. But you know what, I mean, you can act as sort of thing out with without realizing what you're up to and the motif of sacrifice seem to be exactly that people stumbled onto the dramatic idea that if you gave up something of value there would be some reasonable possibility that God would smile on you in the future. Okay, so so that's why there's the sacrifices You might say well, why did they burn them? And the reason for that is well, as far as I can tell people are trying to understand what the ultimate fabric of existence is. And I think that you can feel that sometimes and one of the places that people feel that regularly is when they're out at night and they look up at the sky and they see this immense blanket of Eternity that's laid out before them and that induces a feeling of awe and I think that that archaic people took the notion of that all that was as a consequence of this apprehension and Associated that with some something like communion with the Divine which is actually quite reasonable because when you are looking out into space you are looking into the farthest reaches of being you can see back Millions hundreds of millions of years back into time and you see you gaze out into the infinite expanses of being so it's not unreasonable to assume that in some sense at that moment. You have some connection with what's infinite, whatever that happens to be and I think that you feel that Rather than think it so anyways, the idea basically emerged that the Divine was up in the sky and that because the Divine was up in the sky you could maybe communicate it with it by sending messages up there and one of the ways you could do that was with smoke. And so if you burning these things that you're offering you get to push the smoke up to God and he can do it molecular analysis and see if what you're offering is of any reasonable quality and if it seems to be then poof, you know God's going to be thrilled about that or maybe he's not now. What happens is that Cain's offerings are rejected and Abel's offerings are accepted. And so what that means is that Cain gets the short end of the stick and able gets everything good happening to him. So what you see happening is that there's the notion of two Paths of being one that's favored in one that isn't favored. Now the story's very ambivalent about why Kane is not favored enable is and you can you can read it multiple ways. You can just say well God's basically being a son of a bitch and he's not going to give Anything just because he's not in a very good mood that day or you can say well Abel's doing something right and Kane isn't and I think that interpreting the story in either of those ways is is perfectly Illuminating because part of the time in life, it seems like someone's doing everything right and still they're just getting laid waste left right and center and someone else is doing something terribly and things are going well for them. And but then you also see the reverse where someone who's doing well gets rewarded in someone who isn't doesn't so there's an devil anse about it now. I think the story does indicate that Kane is doing something wrong, but it doesn't do that until later. So anyways Sorry, let me just go down to the next section here. So what it can enable sacrifice in the biblical version cited here the nature of Cain sacrifices left unclear except that it is of the ground its vegetative and therefore bloodless every canonical tail. However carries with it a surrounding cloud of similar stories some derivative sum of the product of a different developmental path and tradition some intermingled with other stories in some variants Cain's sacrifice is not only of the ground but it's of low-quality Kane is unwilling to offer up the finest fruits of his labor. God that's he does not really sacrifice anything he wants to keep everything good to himself. So he's selfish as well as faithless Able by contrast offers up the best of what he has. What does this mean? Once again, we already know we say to our children do your best do not hide your light under a bushel. We do not say conserve your best or hide your best. We mean offer the best you have do it in good faith. You will not be absolutely assured of success, but your chances will begin to increase to the degree that such. Kris is possible. Certainly. It's an overstatement to say that if you do not believe this you at least wish with all your heart that it was true. This is hope to not believe this is to risk descent into the deepest chasms of cynicism. So what happens God accepted Abel's sacrifice offers him respect and renders his life acceptable despite its terrible limitations cane sacrifice. However, he rejects this drives Kane into a murderous rage rage. So the Lord God had respect unto Abel and his offering but unto Cain and his offering Did not have respect. So the idea basically is that able makes these sacrifices? He's putting forth the best that he has he's doing his best and because of that it's actually working Everyone likes able, you know, he has he's getting along with his wives his flocks or increasing its he's a good guy. It's like everything's going well. Whereas cane things aren't going very well at all and no one really cares for him and besides that he's burning with jealousy because you know, despite the fact that he's slaving away raising all these vegetables and try to offer them to God nothing is going his way. So not only are things going badly for him, but he's Increasingly disaffected by it and you know you it's not difficult to understand that, you know perfectly. Well that what happens to you if you're working away you think diligently and properly and nothing is going your way and some other son of a bitch is just flourishing like mad beside you that that's going to make you vengeful and and irritated and anxious and angry and and homicidal for that matter and it doesn't take very long before people reach that stage at least not in their fantasies now the story says And Cain was very wroth and his countenance fell and what that meant is he's angry and his face changes to indicate that so he's got this continual look of Perpetual disaffected ation and anger on his face because things aren't going well for so that's fine. So then he goes and has a chat with God because he's not very happy about the whole situation and I think people do that all the time too. Even if they don't necessarily formulate it in those terms. It's like they're thinking well, what's the nature of reality? I'm busting myself in half. Here trying to make things work properly and nothing's going. Well. It's like what kind of stupid universe is that and for all intents and purposes. That's a cola Coy with God because you don't start thinking about the ultimate fabric of reality without bringing religious intuitions into it. You can't even ask such a question without acting in a quasi-religious manner. So this is what happens it took me a long time to unpack this so he goes and has the chat with yahwah with God and the Lord said to Cain why are you angry and downcast? Surely if you do, right you ought to hold your head high sin crouches at your door lusting for you yet. You can Master it now. That's very very interesting. So I translated those. I got a translation to those lines from a guy named miles from 1995 now it's so what happens is that Kane goes and has a chat with God about how things aren't going very well and basically what he's trying to do is hold God to account for why he made such a stupid Universe where everything keeps going wrong and what God says to To him is why are you angry and downcast? If you do write you ought to be able to hold your head high? So there's an intimation there that the reason the cane is wandering around like this is because there's actually something he's doing that's not correct. It's not that the structure of realities got a problem. It's that Kane has a problem. And God says well if you just do things properly then you could stand up you wouldn't have to be a defeated Lobster all hunched over an aggravated you could stand up and you know, hold yourself properly and Beep beep beep thoroughly integrated in a proper manner with the way being is unfolding and then he says sin crutches at your door lusting for you yet. You can Master it now. That's a very interesting line. So I found out that there is a There's an under there's a metaphorical context within which those lines are uttered. And here's the context. So God basically tells cane that sin, which is misbehavior is a kind of personality and the personality that he Associates it with is something like a sexually aroused predatory cat and he tells Kane that he's no canes in the house and that thing is crouching at the door and it's waiting to jump on it, and then he tells cane that. That's a real threat and it's right there, but he could he could not have that happen if he wants it and there's a whole set of inferences in there one inference is Kane invites it in now you remember you may not remember you have to invite a vampire into your house. It can't just come in my of its own accord. You have to open the door. And so that's the first thing God tells Kane. It's like yeah sure things aren't going very well but like that things at your door you invited it in and you could Master it if you want, but you chose not to and then the next thing that That the conceptualization of the sin as this sort of angry and lustful cap. There's a sexual connotation to it. And so the thing pounces on Kane and has its way with him. So there's an idea that there's a like a quasi sexual interaction between Kane and this Force so that it's a creative interplay. It's not only that he's dominated by the sin. It's that he brings it in and enters into a creative Union with it and produces something out of the out of the mixture. ER and so for example when I was reading the Columbine kids, right, it's like you can see exactly that and their behavior. It's like he knew perfectly. Well what he was up to he knew perfectly. Well what he was inviting in and he put his own extraordinarily creative Twist on it wasn't just that he was possessed by an idea. He spent months planning with his horrible little compatriot about exactly how they were going to blow up the school and the town and they would have liked to have blown up the whole damn city that was part of their plan and exactly how they were going to turn that into. a creative spectacle that would be covered by networks all over the land perfectly consciously every single bit of this so they put their own twist on it as a consequence of being angry and resentful and unhappy, you know, so anyways, so God tells Cain, you know, why are you coming to complain to me? There's nothing wrong with reality. It's he like you get your act together and behave properly you can stand up hold your head up high and you don't have to let this thing that's tempting you have its way with you and enter into a creative Union with it. You could just behave properly and so cane leaves and then he's really annoyed and the reason he's annoyed is because he's going in there hoping they'll straighten guard out with a little chat and sent reality straight and basically what he finds out is that as far as God's concerned the reason that all these terrible things are happening to him is Guess he's not anywhere near what he could be and he's setting himself up for continual failure. And so that really annoys him. So not only is he mad about the fact that he's failing but he's even more mad because when he thought it through he realized that it was actually his fault and that the reason these things are happening to him is because he's not what he could be. So then he might think well, what does he do as a consequence, you know, you could think well, he could say well little apology to God and try to get himself on the right track and that isn't what happens at all. He goes and kills Abel with a Iraq Now you think well, why does he do that? Well, that's very complicated. It's partly well able is obviously God's favorite. So he's doing everything he can to pull him down and you think people do that all the time. If you're jealous of someone else's accomplishments these things really play themselves out in junior high and high school, but they also play out in in adult life. You'll do everything you can to pull down the thing that's you know, hovering above you and making you look bad from as a consequence of the reflection. It's easier to Troy the ideal than it is to try to live up to it and people do that all the time and then they're punishing each other for their virtues and they do that because well first of all because they can pull down the ideal and then they don't have the mirror that makes themselves uncomfortable, but they can also do that as revenge against God. It's like well if that's what you favor and you're going to torture me to death then I'll just destroy what you've brought up to be the best manifestation of what is at this point and then we'll just see who's who's winning this war who's winning the war of Being and so that's what happens. He goes out and kills Abel and so God comes along. It's a terrible thing because it means he destroys his own ideal, but he's perfectly willing to pay that price as long as he can get revenge for his misery and his revenge on God and it's interesting too because if you look at the writings of people who commit real atrocities, you can see that they've gone far beyond any desire for individual revenge like the kids that people that the Columbine kids shot up and in the high school. Didn't even necessarily have any grudge against those particular kids. It was like Mayhem for Mayhem sake and it was actually better if they shot someone that was innocent because that was a lot more of a protest and shooting someone who was guilty, you know, if you're shooting someone who's bullied you it's like that's just jealous. That's just Justice. I mean, it's a warped and bent form of justice. But if you go into the high school and shoot someone who's been good to you. Well, then you're really making a statement about just what you think about the world and if you're willing to blow your own, Own head off afterwards. Well, it's just that much more indication that you could say to hell with everything and that nothing is worth having and that's like that's a that's a that's a demonstration of that mode of thinking right down to the bottom. So anyways, he goes out there and he kills Abel. I'll read you this paragraph. Kane is faced with the very Stark Choice his pride his belief in his own omniscience compels him to repeat actions that do not presume to produce their desired outcome despite yourself, Define failure. This breeds a deep resentment once his pride and resentment grow past a certain threshold. He starts to fantasize about revenge and then about murder the gap between fantasy and action grows even smaller as resentment built and one day the opportunity manifests itself. Abel says something optimistic deserving and promising and that straw breaks the camel's back. Perhaps it is at first it is just resentment of the successful deep resentment, but it does not have to end there. There's no real end with enough resentment. You can kill once if you can kill once why not 10 if 10 why not a hundred if a hundred why not ten thousand why not a million Stalin was just getting warmed up when he killed 6 million ukrainians in the 1930s. There's evidence from the KGB archives that Stalin Was preparing for the Third World War when he was killed by his own people in the 1950s and who's to say that Hitler really lost the war depends entirely on what he was aiming for. Maybe he got just what he aimed for when he blew his brains out all over his bunker deep down underneath Berlin while Europe burned to ashes around him. Why do we system on believing that every Tyrant fights a war to win? Cain believed that the world was a terrible an unreasonable Place bent on his suction suffering and destruction. He thought that hard work and sacrifice was for babies and fools, this is from Richard the third why should wrath be mute and fury dumb. I am no baby. I that with base prayers. I should repent the evils that I have done 10,000 worst that ever yet. I did would I perform if I might have my Will if one good deed in all my life. I did I do repent it from my very soul. Eric Harris, this is from Columbine. The most literate of the two killers said I hate the fucking world kill mankind. No one should survive. Most investigators of the Columbine killings claim they cannot understand the boys motivations they could understand them. They just don't want to Harris said I would sooner die than betray my own thoughts. But before I leave this worthless place, I will kill whoever I deem unfit Harris transformed himself into an archetypal embodiment of Cain whose ultimate prototype is motivated. According to Goethe by the following principle. So this is Mephistopheles the spirit. I that endlessly denies and rightly too for all that comes to birth is fit for overthrow as nothing worth where for the world were better sterilized. That's all that's here is evil recognized his game to me in down. 'full downfall runes sin. Very element. I prosper in Harris the day before his mass murder about twenty six point five hours from now the judgment will begun begin difficult but not impossible necessary nerve-wracking and fun. What fun is life without a little death. It's interesting when I'm in my human form knowing I'm going to die Everything Has It triviality to it leader. Yeah, so what happens then is God finds Kayden has a little chat with him. He says when you tell the ground it will not henceforth yield unto thee unto thee her strength. You'll be a fugitive and a vagabond and Cain said unto the Lord. My punishment is greater than I can bear behold thou Hast driven me out of this day from the face of the Earth and from thy face shall I be hidden and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth and that it shall come to pass that everyone who finds me will slay me and the Lord said therefore whoever slayeth Cain Vengeance shall be taken. Can upon Him Sevenfold and the Lord said a mark on Cain lest any finding him should kill him. Now what happens in the in the aftermath of that story seems to be something like that. So there's Kane and then Adam and Eve have another son whose name is Seth and Seth produces descendants and want and one of them down. The chain is Noah and he saves the world from the flood but Kane produces descendants to and each of the descendant generation seem to get more and more aggressive and and the generation that produces a man named tubal-cain seems to be the same generation as Noah on the other branch and tubal-cain is by tradition the first person who produces artifacts tools of warfare, and so there's an idea in that Old Testament in this story that it's the individual murderous resentment of the individual who won't make the proper sacrifices that distributes itself into the community and culminates in increasing brutality atrocity and only into war Tubal-cain T. UB Al - Cai n yeah, and so lamech is one of the one of the cane Cain's descendants and this Islamic lamech kills two men when he is wounded and hurt and lamech says unto his wives. Adah and Zillah hear my voice is he wives of lamech hearken unto my speech for I have slain a man to my wounding. And a young man to my hurt if Cain shall be Avenged Sevenfold truly lamech seventy and Sevenfold So This is the idea of the exponential distribution of brutality into the community as a consequence of this initial adoption of a particular form of being. Okay. So here's the situation that that's laid out in Genesis. As far as I can tell is that people emerges self-conscious and not produces a terrible burden on people and then the burden is even either handled in the Free manner with the proper sacrifices or it's not if it's not the consequences are that everything degenerates into brutality and atrocity? And that seems to me to be approximately correct. And so you can understand both Cain and Abel is motivations, you know Cain gets brutal and resentment fold because things don't go well for him and because he's suffering and it might be arbitrary, you know, and sometimes you're suffering does seem to be entirely arbitrary but part of the moral of the story is that if you allow that to make you resentful and vengeful that you'll participate in processes that make things absolutely unbearable and make the entire situation. much worse and all the existential commentary I've read on the things that happened in the second world war and in stallonus Soviet Union and in China for that matter seemed to lay out exactly the same story which is once individuals get corrupted because they're unhappy with the structure of their being they can corrupt the entire social landscape and the entire world and things go from bad to worse until they're as bad as they can possibly be So that's how things go badly. You might think. Well, how do things go well and you know, unfortunately we missed one lecture but there's some things that I can tell you that I that I think I know about what what are you laughing about? No, no, no, no. Well, there's there's other things that I wanted to tell you about, but I can tell you about this. Anyways, I just can't do it in quite as much depth as I would have liked to so it doesn't seem to me that it's reasonable to try to impose an ideological Solution on the world. And the reason that that's not reasonable is because it leads you into something that's akin to a sin of Pride you think you have the damn answer you think, you know everything and you can impose that answer, but the problem with that is that it seems to That's the kind of sacrifice or that produces the kind of sacrifices that God doesn't find very acceptable and things go from bad to worse. So you might say well, what's the alternative what's the potential alternative mode of being and so here's something that you can think about and there's one thing that I want to tell you about Christianity that's relevant in this regard so you can you'll see this in the last quarter of the maps of meaning when you read it, but there's there's images that have popped up in the Middle Ages. Where the trio. Of the tree in the in the Garden of Eden is there again and on the one side of the tree there are skulls and those are being handed out by Eve and on the other side. There are these little things that are there like fruits but their representatives of the hosts that are given to people when they undergo the mass in Christianity. And so those little hosts which are made out of wheat, which is a dying and resurrecting God are like the body of the hero and so the idea behind the mass is that in order to overcome death. You're supposed to incorporate the boss. E of the hero and the body of the hero the hero is the person in this mythological landscape who is willing to voluntarily confront death and will as a consequence be reborn now, I think that that can be read at a psychological level because we already talked about the fact that one of the things that happens that when you're in deep error is that you can allow the erroneous structure to dissolve into something that's chaotic and then have it re-emerged as something that's new the idea. That's and behind this idea of transformation is that you should identify yourself not with the initial state of order, which is like a particular way of looking at the world and you shouldn't identify yourself with the state of chaos that's there when everything collapses around you but that you should identify yourself with the process of transformation from order through chaos and then into a new form of being and so the way that you confront the fact that reality is continually transforming is By allowing yourself to transform with it and that's the volunteer. That's the voluntary that's the taking on of the voluntary that of continual voluntary death and rebirth in the service of higher being and we don't know the potential limits to that. You know, I mean obviously in the current situation everyone is still faced with the possibility of ill health and finite lifespan and all the things that go along with that, but we don't know the Limits of our potential Dynamic flexibility and we sure do know that if you hold onto ways of being that are counterproductive for any length of time that that kills you faster and makes you more miserable. Well, it's happening and the same thing happens as well when you're you know, wallowing and trapped in a chaotic situation. So so here's a hypothesis. So, you know, one of the things that the new agers will tell you is that you should follow your bliss and I have a big problem with that because first of all, I don't think it's true. true and second because you pointed out that if you do follow what you find deeply meaningful, it's likely to take you to a place that you're most afraid of and so to me there's a barrier to Enlightenment and the barrier is that You'll face things that will pull you apart before you'll face things. That'll put you together. And I think that what you face that will pull you apart is all the things that you've done in the past that have been the sambal suboptimal. Those things have to be repaired and fixed now, If you put yourself in a situation where you're able to rectify the errors that you've made in the past so that you straighten out the manner in which you're organized. Then I think that it might be possible to live so that your forthrightly confronting things as they move towards you and if your oriented towards making them better like assume that that's your highest value say well, what's the purpose of life and the purpose of life is to make things as good as you can possibly make them and that might be for you and it might be for those around you and you might not even know exactly what that means. So sometimes you're going to have to let go of what you think good is as you progress towards it. Well, it seems to me that if you Orient yourself towards that and you allow yourself to stop living in in in theories that you know to be false and carrying falsehoods that you're acting out and and believing in that, you know to be not true, but you can start to live in a different way. So here's the different way in some sense. so the first thing you have to figure out is that you don't know what the hell you're doing. The second you have to think to figure out and that's humility. I think the second thing you have to figure out is what you want and you either want things to be better or you want them to be worse and there's reasons for wanting them to be worse and the reasons are deep and they're justifiable, but they're not helpful. So then let's assume that you notice the part of you that's devoted like Cain to the destruction of things and you understand what that is and you're willing to take it on to yourself to repair. Then it isn't other people's evil that you have to worry about. Its your own then you might say well, what should you do next and one of the one of the pieces of literature from which I've learned from that seems to address that is The Sermon on the Mount in the New Testament and one thing that happens in The Sermon on the Mount is this so Christ says to his followers that they should there isn't something specifically that they should be pursuing. What they should be doing instead is orienting themselves in a particular direction and the direction would be towards what's best and what's true. So that's the first step is you figure out do you want things to be better or do you want them to be worse? That's the fundamental question. So are you working for the betterment of being or for its transformation into hell then you think well, I want things to be better than the next thing you think is well, you don't exactly know how to go about that. Okay, so then what do you do? Well, it seems to me that that's the point at time when you try to eradicate from your field of apprehension everything that you know to be false and unworthy. You get rid of it as much as you can as fast as you can and part of the way you can do that is by listening to what you say and watching what you do and you can listen to what you say and you can find out if you're actually saying what you believe to be true now, here's a hypothesis and I think this is Hypothesis that's laid out in the transformation from the Old Testament to the New Testament Christianity. But I also think it's the same idea that the daoist were pursuing and the Buddhists were pursuing. So the idea is this and it's based on the idea of logos what would happen if instead of pursuing what you think you should be pursuing you did something else which is used to say yourself in a position where you're trying to make things better and the next consequence of that is to try I to say as clearly as what you pause as you possibly can what it is that you believe to be true in every situation. And then to see what happens. It's a different way of playing the same game now in The Sermon on the Mount what Christ tells his followers is to orient themselves towards paradise and Truth fundamentally and then to concentrate on doing everything. They possibly can moment to moment as carefully and correctly as possible and then to see what happens. So there's this ancient idea that that route of Western culture that being is spoken into existence. And that's the that's the that's the speech of the logos. And and the idea there is also partly that that in hairs inside people if they if they're willing to utilize it and that they know how they can utilize it and the way to utilize that is to straighten out your speech and action and to act as well as you can moment to moment and to let go other than that. And see what happens because and I think that that's the movement of faith that the existentialist Christians continually talk about you can't because the thing is if you're aiming at something specific that constitutes the good then basically what you've done is made yourself a kind of idle you said well, this is Paradise and gone, but the thing is you don't know that because you're not sufficiently informed understand the ultimate nature of the good. But I think you're sufficiently informed to figure out when you're not using your language properly. And I think one of the things that you can notice is that if you're not using it properly it makes you ashamed and week and embarrassed and I think you can feel that you can feel it fully embodied. And I think that's what Kane does and that's what God tells them to stop doing. He says if you're doing things right you can stand up with your head held high and if you're not you can't you're downcast and angry and resentful and murderous and I think That's the case. so and I do believe that it's a different way of being because it's not aimed at something. It's not aimed at something that's predefined. You have to under you have to allow what constitutes the good and your understanding of the good to continually be updated as you pursue it and I think all you have to do to do that is to speak words while Northrop Frye would say is that you have to speak words with power and I think you can learn to do that, but you have to let go I think that that's the that's the cure for radiology. You know because what's the alternative you can lay out a belief system and try to impose it. Or you can play along and see if you can figure out what's going on. If you have a productive conversation with someone that's what you're doing. You know, you say well, let's see if we can figure out how to get along. Maybe this is within the confines of an intimate relationship. It's like, okay. What do you want? What do I want? How is that going to fit together? Can we communicate honestly about exactly what that is and how we might get it and it's a it's a process of code Discovery. It's not like, you know the answer to begin with and you're not going to find it unless you tell each other the truth and you're not going to be able to pursue it unless you act out the truth that you articulate and I don't think you're going to be able to articulate the truth properly unless what you want is the good. And that's a very difficult thing to figure out but I think one of the things we do know after the 20th century that the continual attempt to make the world as atrocious of places possible seems to be searching in the wrong direction, you know, you know, I've tried this sort of thing for a very long period of time because I think that what I try to do or why what I try to do is to say what I believe to be the case in every situation that I'm in and to see what happens and my experience has been that really works. really works you can learn to get along with the people in your family and help them straighten out and you can start to have a relatively beneficial effect on processes that are outside of your you know of what's right in front of you and within your grasp so you can practice trying to figure out how to set things straight and I have no idea what the ultimate limits of that might be but I can tell you one thing it certainly makes your life and ridiculously interesting and you know, that in itself is one of the things that takes away the sting of immortality because if what you're doing is so damn interesting you can hardly stand it the fact that you have to pay a price as you move along starts to become acceptable, you know, because you'll pay a price if it's worth it. It's Nietzsche said if you have a why you can bear anyhow, and I think there's some truth in that and you know, you might say well, what's what's a good that sufficiently good to justify voluntarily participating in being that's bent on your misery and destruction. That's the fundamental question of life. Well, I would say you need a pretty elevated Vision in order to counteract that and I think that's what a vision of paradise is. And I think that paradise is something that people have to build I think if we build it properly it would justify everything that happened on the way to building it or at least that might be the case and I think you can do it locally first. So and I can't see and I've watched people I've watched how people live live live now for decades and I have two clients in my practice right now who one of them was pretty damn straight to begin with but he's set up his his business. It happens to be a firm and he's tried to make absolutely straight decisions that were really informed and proper the entire way along in the bloody thing is running like a like It's running its the equilibrated. It's extremely effective. It's not wasteful everybody who's inside. The organization is developing properly. No one's getting screwed over like it's an honest and straightforward Enterprise and everybody seems to be benefiting from it. And I have another client who was pretty damn confused and arrogant and resentful when he first started changing his life and he put together a relatively small business and I would say it's a low status But he's done it as honestly as he possibly could and he tried to keep himself on the straight and narrow while he's doing it and he's trying to give his customers outstanding service and to be clear and straight with them at every single Choice moment. And that's lifted his cynicism and it's made his business very very productive and and positive and so I can't see first of all there has to be some antidote to the ology because it's corrosive and and destructive and I can't see. That there's any any end that you can attain at any means that you can Implement that's more meaningful and Rich and deep than that. And I do think it's sufficient to stop you from being corrupted and Jenna Seidel and that's a good thing because you can get corrupted in Genesis idle and if there's enough of us who are corrupt and Jenna Seidel Then things are going to get very bad instead of very good. so well, so then you can think about that and I think it's an easy thing to start to try. The first thing you have to do is decide if you want things to be better or worse and that's not a simple question because they'll be a lot of you that's bitter and resentful and vengeful and angry for all of your inadequacies in the way the world's treated you and so and the second thing is pay attention to what you say and see if you believe it and if you don't quit saying it See what happens like you can tell if what you say makes you stronger if it makes you weak all you have to do is feel it and you can stop saying things that make you weak but it'll change you completely so you'll find that you won't be able to associate with people who only allow you to say things that make you weak for example, because lots of people would be upset if you say things that make you strong around the because they don't want you to flourish and grow partly because it sheds a bad light on them. Anyways, this is more of elaborated in the last quarter of the book or thereabouts. And so you'll get a chance to read that if you want to do it and I guess I'll see you guys when you when you have the final but in the meantime, well think about it, you know, I think we have more opportunity now at this point in history to make things good than we could have possibly imagined 50 years ago and it's necessary, you know, there's lots of things that are falling apart and people get cynical about that and that's the wrong attitude is like you have No idea how much power you might have at your disposal if you used it properly and I think we could set things right if we decided that it was worth doing and so it certainly seems to me to beat the alternative because in the 20th century we bloody well learned what the alternative was and it is as horrible as anything you could possibly imagine. So it seems to me that it's very much worth a while avoiding that even if we can't make things perfect, so See you all. 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It's back to school time and whether you're a student a teacher or an entrepreneur if you're anything like me and like to stay organized and you're still looking for that best planner. Let me tell you I found the one the self journal really has it all it lets you track important appointments and even personal Milestones if you visit best self dot Co you can get Yourself journal with an exclusive discount use code creme 15 at checkout for 15% off and start living your best life. Okay. Now for real, let's get into the episode today on the show. We have Fiona zanelli who is a holistic nutritionist. Today we will be discussing diet myths and all of perhaps the lies are the truth or the half truths that you might have heard about different diets who've tried or different diets others, you know have tried and basically get to the core of what is a healthy diet that will help you lose weight and the difference between all of them. So with that said and without further Ado, let's invite field as an ally basically your high current. Thank you for having me here really happy to be here. I'm so excited. Okay, let's get into it. So before we were on the mic, we're just talking about Quito and Caleb and waggoner's and basically the hype over this diet. Now it was funny because we're basically saying, you know, you're having your Bulletproof Coffee with tons of butter in the morning and you're having like 14 grams of fat and somehow people are super lean. What is the hype with key to so I feel like with keto there's obviously there's been amazing results. But I feel like the biggest misconception is that there's something magical and choosing the ketogenic diet. The main thing about keto is getting your body into ketosis. But the main the one problem with that is that you're not always in ketosis just because you're on the keto diet bringing down your carbs and up in your fats the main thing the magical results you're seeing is all because these people are suddenly in a caloric restriction. There's people that are used to eating 3,000 5,000 calories a day. There are emotional eaters or just food addicts, whatever they are. You're consuming all these calories and suddenly you switch to this diet where it's a little bit more controlled You're Bringing Down the carbs. So your body that's enough to shock the body to start having results. And I think a big part of that too is I think we underestimate the amount of calories be intake. Yeah, and when you tell someone, you know, you might be having Subway for lunch and choosing even quote unquote healthier options like Panera Bread not real. Realizing you're still eating probably up to close to 3,000 calories a day and you're not even burning nearly half that so you're making all these changes. You're introducing healthier Alternatives. You're suddenly this like new health freak, but you're not seeing any results and it comes down to the fact that one you're not properly tracking how much you're eating and to you don't even know how much you're burning in the gym. So you're kind of left. Wondering what am I doing wrong? So you start A lot of people will get on something and then it's not working out. They don't see the results and then they start binging and eating again, which is the biggest problem. I think with people gaining fat. There's no magical diet. There's no magical diet. But whether you choose paleo keto vegan, whatever it is, you'll find ripped people and overweight people in all of those different categories. There is overweight vegans and there's overweight people on keto definitely, you know what I mean? In so it doesn't matter what you choose there is no magical solution. Yeah part from a calorie deficit a calorie deficit and I feel like even with that we kind of there's a lot of misconceptions to where we look at something like a 1200 calorie diet to something. That's way too low for everybody. We just assume that it's so unhealthy, but as we were saying earlier a sedentary woman who needs to lose I don't know 200 pounds 50 pounds whatever it is has literally in a way no right to be consuming all these calories that she Not burning if she is maybe just burning 500 calories that day ready and then she's kind of left, you know with just feeling lost because she's getting nowhere. All right. So I feel like in a way the number one thing. I probably get into that number one is to switch to a fasting Focus lifestyle and that's where basically your body you shift your your bodily hormones to start burning the fat for you. So if you can start art kind of letting go of the addictions to food and alcohol and all these things that basically got you in this mess in the first place with being overweight or having some type of disease or whatever. It is. Unhealthy habits. Yeah. It's kind of like fasting kind of lets you let go of all that so what would be for the wide range of audience members we have what would be the difference between what's more popular and trending right now? Intermittent fasting as opposed to prolonged fasting or what you're sort of saying is a better solution. Yeah weight loss. So intermittent fasting is really great eat it because you're eating within a Time restricted type of right? That's right. Yeah timeframe. So basically the start off with a 16 hour fast anybody that's new to fasting which I feel like is the easiest way you'd have an 8-hour eating window. So say you your you have your first meal at 12 and then you can eat throughout the day whatever. A caloric deficit is I don't know whether you're on 1,500 calories. Whatever it is, everybody's different. So you're going to eat within that eight hours after that. You don't eat till the next day at 12 o'clock. This is really great, especially because I feel like people that are into the gym and eating right and everything like that. There was this whole six meals a day thing. And even that is very problematic, even if you're eating really healthy because you're not allowing your body to digest once you have to digest and to give it a break. It's constantly working you don't A chance to shift your body into a fat burning State because there are something called hormone sensitive lipase until that like if your hormone sensitive lipase is like low, like it's decreased you're gonna have higher insulin levels. So you want to switch it up you want to have the most fat burning happening at the site of hsl insulin levels low becoming insulin sensitive that right. There is the magic to burning fat. It has absolutely nothing to do with how much fat you're eating on. The keto diet or that that fat is coming from avocados or almonds. The body does not give a single case where you can suppose the body doesn't have shit until you're in that fat burning mode. You're not going to be burning fat doesn't matter how hard you try constantly eating which raises your insulin levels that alone is the resistance for you from you being able to burn the fat that is your body not allowing you to burn it now because you're constantly feeding it. So when you have a break from food a break from consumption that is when you're ultimately burning the most fat perfect. Okay, so let's break it down. Just so our audience can have a more concrete example that they can use as reference. So let's say you have a woman maybe in her 30s 40s has an office job. Perhaps is trying to lose some weight. How would they pursue prolonged fasting? Like what would be their first steps? Okay, because this is the thing like it all comes. Is down to the discipline and willpower you have as well because I didn't start with prolonged fasting but I also don't have a ton of weight to lose. So for me, it isn't that extreme, but when you have more to lose the number one thing would be the prolonged fasting like if she's jumping right into that not easing into it. Hey, I'm tired of my life. So I'm going to do whatever I need to do to lose the weight. Let's get into this extreme fasting Focus lifestyle prolonged fasting the number one thing you cut everything out. It's basically going cold turkey you have Salt water which comes from the snake diet wizard cold Robinson where he has you basically drinking salt water all day. It's Himalayan salt baking soda and the no salt that you pour in there too. That's the salt alternative that yeah, that's the salt alternative and that is what basically replenishes your electrolytes throughout the day. So you're not feeling dead. So for a woman like that, she's like she's at her desk job. She's probably as she into the gym yet or no. Let's say she she doesn't go as often. Okay. Yeah. Okay. So I would say I would start off with just fasting. We're basically she's going to be consuming nothing but that saltwater I would do that for three days because at that point she's going to adapt to literally not eating and get rid of those addictions. But and by the time that she does eat her little Meal which will be something super low calorie. She is not going to be starving for it. Right and this fastings and this is going to repeat that cycle because she will be losing so much weight just from not consuming. And she's cutting out her addictions to because these people are all addicted to something. Definitely your you know, she it off to Sugar coffee. Yeah, whatever. It may be that pick me up the pick me you start to like not rely on it anymore because you have nothing to rely on. You're not relying on any external source of anything to give you energy. Right? It's just the salt water which is basically the same thing as having an IV. Like it's just salt water to replenish the electrolytes you're not feeling so you're not feeling dead. That's what's going to keep that type of woman going. Right, there's a lot of information out there and a lot of people are under the impression that all will something like that is definitely not healthy or you know, if you're a man who weighs maybe like a hundred eighty pounds you have to be having maybe closer or above 2000 calories. If you're a woman with a maybe smaller figure maybe like 1,200 enough for you. Like how do you get past that sort of believing that something like this is also healthy, right? We live in a society where we're always relying on something else to help us if it's not Pharmaceuticals and we think okay, like like we were saying it's going to Quito is what's been missing in my life. This is why I'm not in shape. This is what it's going to do my dream body and finally a this is my dream by this is what I have to do, but I feel like we got we've got become so obsessed with these other things that if we look back into the ancient days, like that was such a minimalist lifestyle and I feel like now we want everything we need to be for the top for every A thing we need to be consuming consuming consuming. Even if it's not just food then it's our shopping. It's it's all this stuff that we rely on and all the stuff and I feel like going to the extreme opposite of that. I feel like that is what we need because extreme opposite of consumerism. Yeah of consumerism and I feel like even with fasting like back in the day, like fasting has been around since the beginning of time for healing like our ancestors were eating a meal a week two meals a week these people. Imagine where we would have been if they couldn't do the things that they had to do because they don't have as much food. We have no energy for something like, okay. Well, I need to go and get a coffee and a donut right now to do this. Right? Do you think our ancestors have that right and then back stronger and you know what I'm saying really strong point for some reason we almost twist history in the sense that well, you know, there was a lack of food and you know, they were they had to go and find their own food and Hunt their own food and even the amount of food they were eating it was Much less but it was enough. Yeah, they didn't have to be eating these bigger. She's wrong for breakfast lunch and dinner adding and snacks adding in their Starbucks adding in there. Tim Hortons there whatever they need to get throughout the day all this extra stuff. Like I'm just going to call it all stuff because it's it's something we don't really need is just there like you don't need to be eating three meals a day. For example, you don't need to write you can if you want like you're going to lay your gonna be happy all those great things, but you don't It and for a woman that we were talking about the sedentary women with the office job. She definitely doesn't need that her problem is she needs to get rid of all that that whole idea that okay. I need to be consuming a hundred and thirty grams of fat today. I'm going to have my 400 calorie buttery coffee in the morning. Like no you don't need that. Right you making it harder for yourself when you can just not consume anything and the greatest thing about fasting is in a way. It does give you more mental Clarity and focus so you could even become a bit better at your job. Wow, okay, because at the autophagy effects because that's basically destroying old cells and creating new ones and that happens when we're in a fasting state. It doesn't happen. We were consuming and raising our insulin levels of blood glucose levels. Like it's all comes down to get into that a bit. Let's Yeah. So basically there's absolutely no way in any human body. We're talking about that when your insulin levels are are rising when you have increased Insulin levels, there is no fat burning that can happen in that moment. Anytime. You're feeding your body like that anytime you're feeding and you're feeding State. Let's call it. Okay, you're raising your insulin levels at that point and people that are not even eating in a Time restricted window. They're eating from 7 a.m. Till 12 midnight. They are never in a fat-burning State ever. And another interesting thing to add is that you don't have to be diabetic to be insulin resistant. You don't have to be diabetic. It's all lifestyle at this point because now Now we're consuming so much. Our insulin levels have risen spiked spiked and that leads to poor nutrient absorption. At least the brain fog. We have all these addictions and weight gain everything and that comes from the fact that we're eating like pigs, right? We're getting like assholes exactly and it's that insulin because the main thing in any diet that you choose if you love paleo if you love Quito if you Le vigan, whatever it is the main, His to become insulin sensitive because we don't want those insulin Spikes all day, right exactly what I'm trying to say and so prolonged fasting. Let's go back to the examples we were using now if this person was to begin the three-day prolonged fasting for a long time the prolonged. Yeah, let's say in a month's time. How many days a week? Should they be doing this? Should they be doing this three until they reach their goal until he received a repeated cycle because it's so useless to be doing. All that fasting and especially when it's your first time you're in a state of suffering. Yeah, just you're not going to days and then eat. Yeah overeat for like you just did it for no reason. So like, you know, you have that all this time to yourself. You have all these you're alone with yourself. You're not relying on anything else anymore. It's just you which is the hardest thing and I feel like a lot of people don't want to confront that right and I feel like that alone is an emotional issue it which is for a lot of people that are emotional eaters. We're always working on something to help us. Distraction creating a distraction. This makes you deal with it. This is why it's actually even one of the best ways to quit in addiction to smoking. It's just going cold turkey, right you just you just deal with it right just deal with the thing. You know what I'm saying? Definitely. So yeah to answer your question. It's not just all I did the three day fast. I'm amazing. I'm so great. Now I deserve to go to Mandarin in have a feast right? No, this is the part where it gets. This is your lifestyle. This is the librarian everybody for and you have to have specific. Cific calories that you're following everybody is going to be a little different. I mean for the sedentary woman, it's going to be kind of similar where it's going to be like 500 calories may be lower. Okay, and you don't need anymore. That's the thing right? And what would it be for someone let's say a woman was aspiring to be a to build muscle or be a bodybuilder. That would be haps not be a bodybuilder, but they're sort of on that path for their working out much more. They have a good sense of the figure that they want to achieve. How will that work for the bills now? We have the two almost It's right for building you are going to be in a caloric Surplus like you are going to be eating more to support the muscle but you still will be fasting if you're just eating within a Time restricted. So what would that look like? So basically a woman that's like already pretty fit and trying to get be great, but she will be on a good high protein diet moderate carbs. Probably a low fat diet. Okay, and then the prolonged fasting would it be the same the prolonged fasting in your meal that you do have that day? You Tech, you do want to still have it. It's not keto but it is low carb. You want to keep the carbs as low as possible when you're trying to burn fat? Okay? Yeah, so, let's see if she woke up, you know, she's going with this prolonged fasting in her day. What would her meal look like, so we're those calories and it's very general. We can't give specific numbers because those have to be calculated but what would her day of a prolonged fast and food look like it would be basically a protein in a veggie. She would just be eating more of it than the other person. There's no difference in food. You can choose whatever you want if you want to eat turkey, or if you want to eat steak or you want to have egg or whatever protein Source you want. But basically what you want is it you just want to be as low as fat as possible. Right and we low-carb and when would she be eating she would choose her over whatever time works for her because there's some people like the beauty about fasting is like if you're not a morning person like you can go all day and not eat until like 4:00 or like four or six or eight. P.m. She can choose to have it on anytime. Okay, I would say the best thing would be to have it in the morning just because I like personally for me. I feel like it affects my performance better than eating career day. Okay, I need to like start my day, but then there's people that you have to force them to eat in the morning when they like to eat in the evening. Hmm that is totally up to you. That's the beauty of it because you're still giving your body the same amount of time to fast. You still have the 24 hours. So you're a registered holistic nutritionist. What are some of the most common Conceptions people have about just holistic nutrition in general. So I feel like in Western Society where all so accustomed to hey, I have a cold today. I need to stop coughing and sneezing. So I want to deal with the symptom really fast. Yeah, so I'm going to go and buy some Tylenol clear dinner coffee, right and it helped me. So this is the best thing in the world for now, you're going to tell other people. Hey when you have a cold or go buy the stuff, right, but that cold keeps resurfacing. And we're never dealing with the root cause and with holistic health that is what we deal with like for example in practice. We have reforms where basically we have a list of all the symptoms by the time you're done filling it out by a score. So number one is this occurs this never occurs to me barely and then number three this happens to me often. It can be like headaches or bad breath migraine, whatever migraine and then there's I have to calculate it and it basically will tell me which systems are the most out of Islands, so instead of being so focused on your pain or your headache. I'm trying to see what the root cause is. What is causing this this headache in the beginning? Right? And I focus on that because a lot of it is tied to your digestive health your gut health and lack of nutrients, right it just eating a diet that's so full of processed foods and Boyd of nutrients is right. So we want to start pumping the body with nutrients again and just I feel like a lot of it has to do with first not adding anything more to your body but taking away. All the things that are robbing you of your health. Why are you so low in B12 while your insulin levels so high or you know what I'm saying? Right and I feel like to a lot of people will despite maybe not wanting to take a pharmaceutical drug in order to get rid of the initial symptom that Services many of them won't fix their diet, but they'll look to things like acupuncture or maybe more Eastern medicines, but they're still not facing the diet which in the majority of cases is the number one thing. Yeah that And I feel like that's the thing that is not a popular perspective in Western Society where we can go to a spiritual healer. You can go and seek out Eastern medicine you can go to an acupuncturist. But if you're not fixing your food, you're not going to really see change for example. Hey, well, I'm becoming a better person. Look I've changed my whole routine. I'm working out at five in the morning and I'm eating salads, but I have negative self-talk, right? You know like it's not a popular thing to look at that. Like people are just so used to being in their thoughts that even that has a toll on your health because those thoughts can manifest physically physically exactly. Yeah, right and there's a lot of research on that in which people don't realize that what they hear and what they say, even if they're joking the negative self-talk is sort of said sarcastically your brain literally does not know the difference or physically does not know the difference and it'll taken out information. If it's still a put-down, yeah, and that's your subconscious mind holds more weight. So that's why you have to be extra careful because it's things that you don't even realize like when you said you did it doesn't know the difference between real or fake. So if you could give one piece of advice to someone who doesn't know a lot about holistic nutrition. Okay. Listen, I'm having a bunch of allergies and I don't know what it is and I had all this brain fog and I have so much fatigue and nothing's working out for me. I don't know what's wrong what's causing it and my diet so going to start eliminating certain groups of things that we that might be the culprit. The number one thing I think would be especially for a case like that before you even looking into what you're eliminating its time back to your good health the fact that you have more bad bacteria than good. And that is what contributes to allergies in the first place backup bacteria, which actually if you are pregnant mother for example who has like let's say got issues that will be passed down to her kid. Well, so those allergies like it before you even Like the most ideal thing before you get pregnant like if its planned is to be on a diet for six months to work through those issues because they will be passed down to your kid. That is number one thing for allergies. It is tied to your good health. Realistically. I mean your good health is very much so tied to your brain health as well. It's known as your second brain basically because it's all about that bacteria, like having probiotics even prebiotics defeat that bacteria. That is the number one thing that is what keeps your immune. System healthy your entire digestive system your colon Health. You want to make sure that you're detoxing that your livers detoxifying properly because then you have a build up of all these toxins. They enter the bloodstream. There you go allergies disease all of this done. If s it manifest in that is from that that got health and just for the audience how would we explain the difference between prebiotics and probiotics? So prebiotics is what feeds the bacteria you can find. That is something like like a banana, okay. Ways and then the probiotics that's what you find more and prevented fermented. Yeah, right. That is that's basically it great. Okay, and for someone who has known about it for a while and it's like you know what I really want to make sure I have a really healthy gut because it's so important. What would be some steps they can take to incorporating into their diet to help heal their gut to heal the gut so it's going to be different for a lot of people but I feel feel like the main thing would be to include more fermented items into your diet the Miso kimchi yogurt has to be organic yogurt though, because if their sugar anything was sugars basically compromising your immune system and its garbage because that bad bacteria thrives on the sugar. So you want to make sure it's organic if you're going to have it at all. It's not those like ones mixed with like fruits and Link fructose and Link all that garbage even like there's even wasted like for many things yourself. Like you can do beans you put them in a jar. You fill it up with water you ask Salt you let it sit there for like two weeks. And then that that right there the lactic acid that you get from that is would also supports the digestive system and you can do that on your own perfect. And basically if they want to see change it's a permanent lifestyle. Yes that they're shifting to yes because we want to get away from like we were saying earlier consumerism and like always relying on the next fad diet and it's just about number one. Yes be conscious of what you're putting into your body and maybe just getting rid of all the things that you're relying on me. Maybe that is the key to your achieving your ideal body, right, you know instead of being so stressed and anxious over. Oh my God. Which one should I do? Should you paleo? I heard good things about that showed yukito-san. It's the greatest thing right now. Should I go vegan don't need to cut out meat to be healthy. It's just about not relying on all these other things to give you the ideal your ideas ideal self. Right and you were you were vegan for a while. I was being for a year for a year and I mean tell us more about that. What do you think about veganism? There's a lot of different opinions on it the perspective of a holistic nutritionist because now you've started incorporating some Meats to your diet started. Yeah, I did I went from vegan I was being for a year and then I was vegetarian for a really long time. And then I that I went vegetarian because I was low in B12. I can't say that was because of the vegan diet. So I never got my blood tested before I became vegan so I could have had that problem because I do have women in my family that are deficient or like low in B12, okay. Yeah that I started adding Seafood to my diet and then now because I'm bringing carbs down and becoming more like fasting focused. I had no choice but to start incorporating bread or meat because I wasn't eating just white fish. I was eating salmon, which is high in fat. It was kind of like keeping me from achieving my ideal body in the time that I wanted to achieve it. The vegan diet is really great. If you're going to choose a vegan diet and it comes from ethics totally understandable. If you're doing it to become a healthier human being it is The number one magical diet to follow for any type of Reason which is a common misconception because a lot of people think that you know, and maybe it has in some cases reversed diabetes or the or symptoms of it or or certain diseases. Yeah that it can reverse it. But at the end of the day you're consuming so many carbs, which is basically like sugar right? It's all carbs and it's hard. I mean you do get your protein but you're getting less of it because if you're choosing being as like your main protein that comes with carbs and it comes with fat. It's not a pure protein source, which is really hard to get in a vegan diet. If you're going to do a vegan diet, you have to make sure that you have your Omega-3s and check the DHA all that because you're not there's only so much flax seeds and nuts that you can eat and then just having a source that's and having a piece of fish where you get all that your needs met, right? You know what I'm saying? You have to go into it intelligently. Make sure you get your blood tested. First is what I would say to see if you have any like nutrient deficiencies coming into it because if you're already loaned B12 and now Not even eating sufficient protein. Like if you're not on top of that and going for good quality sources of that protein, you're going to just become sicker when you think that you're becoming healthier, right and in most cases, it's correct me if I'm wrong. Is it safe to say that as long as you're in taking free-range GMO free organic meats. You should be okay to have that in your diet meets, right? Yes, I would if you're going to have meat in your diet. I would say it should all be antibiotic and hormone-free. Everybody okay, because it's the process stuff that's getting us into all this mess in the first place and why we're running to the hospital every week. You should make your diet as organic as possible because our food supply nowadays when you're eating an orange for example or tomato or whatever type of vegetable strawberry that you think you're getting all this vitamin C, whatever we're actually getting like maybe 50% less than what we should be getting or what we think we're getting when we eat that fruit, but it's sprayed. There's chemicals right? It's different to eat tomato here than it is to eat it. In Italy, correct for the it's grown. It's going to taste like a totally different vegetable yet for it. You're like, you're not going to no. No, this is amazing information. Thank you so much. So just to wrap it up give us a quick summary of the take away. The main thing is stop stressing over which diet to choose look at what your goals are. If you're trying to burn fat bring down carbs become more of a minimalist. Stop relying on external sources to bring you to your ideal State rely on yourself. Follow your intuition. If you don't feel like eating them much that day, you don't need to be forcing 1500 calories of food every single day. You have just cut The Hobbit just cut it just literally sit with yourself for three days without consuming any food. Just water. I want to add some salt to it. The Himalayan solves the no salt a teaspoon of that and the baking soda to clean. I think I mean the biggest struggle is most likely going to be again being alone with yourself and having those thoughts and having those the stress. Just come up which then make your body and your mind want to react and want to go for that coffee or that Starbucks or the junk food or the fast food and even if you don't have the discipline training your mind to be able to know that that's the only way out of it. Yeah actually avoid it even that to look what you just said. It could be used, you know, like when you're like getting real with yourself and it's just you you can ask yourself. What am I doing this for? Anyways, what are you going to the gym? For what? Do you want to die it for? What is it? Because honestly there's going to be some emotional reason Acres. There's something like like there's people that are body builders that are there some that are like extremely happy people and then there's some that are so miserable and they're just like they think that they're gonna they're going to find their answer through bodybuilding when it's not that or you know what I'm saying? Not just where they might hate think you know, what I would have seen recently is you have like this great figure and you're working so hard on the outside not even looking on the inside and you want To face what's going on internally? Yes, because like in a way you could be using this to escape your problems do and I feel like what the fasting Focus lifestyle you just get more of your answers was you're forced to face it you're forced to face it. So like I can't hide behind lifting weights anymore. Because now I have to really focus was why I hate myself or what? I hate about my life or what I'm stuck on or my anxiety and my traumas or my current. I mean, let's what are you doing? It's just my job my career. Yes. What are you doing it all for like, what do you You want you want to burn fat to feel good and be healthy do it. Are you depressed and you're trying to find a way out face it you gotta face it. Right and I feel like that's the number one thing you need to be you need to force yourself to becoming more conscious of our decisions that you're making and what you're in taking and why you're really in taking it. Yeah. Why why why do I need a coffee right when I wake up? Why don't I have that energy right alone when I should why do I need a donut by 3 p.m. For example red That right. Why do I Rely so much on this thing? That's in a way kind of contributing to my problems right increasing my anxiety like taking away stripping me of my nutrients in my body. Why do I need that? Definitely? So at the end of the day, I think it's just about becoming more minimalist and just being real with yourself for sure. No, this is really insightful. So thank you so much for so all thank you so much for having hope you enjoy this of the vibe. Perfect. And for people who want to follow you and want to learn more give us your Your website, what's your website handle? My website is higher self nutrition.com. That is my business name higher self nutrition, and you can follow me on Instagram @ underscore Fiona's and Nelly perfect. That's awesome. So everyone you heard the Deets, please go and follow Fiona's in Delhi on Instagram. Check out our website reach out if you're interested in learning more, and if you really liked this episode and what future episodes to be similar. Please comment like subscribe and look forward to hearing you. Connecting in the next episode. This is crap. Make sure you stay woke by now.

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I think I know the one you're talking about. Yeah, I think you do too and it's just, you know, it's a timely tweet as you know last year, none of the guys in WWE got a chance to spend Christmas with their families, and there's a pretty big uproar last year two people were upset that they weren't given the opportunity, but now this year They pre-taped her on Smackdown. So to give them that opportunity because it landed on Christmas Eve and Christmas Day and Dave Meltzer tweeted out back on the 19th for anyone complaining that WWE taped ahead this week. So the talent could spend Christmas mornings with their families this week. Please leave and don't mind coming back until you change your mind 100% agree with that sentiment. Yeah, I did too. Yeah. Yeah and some people like to you know took exception to that and I just blows me away. I don't understand it either. See here's the thing car. You know, when I was younger. We worked on Christmas. We worked on Thanksgiving sometimes, you know WWE we would do Survivor series on Thanksgiving and I mean we were going to Purl on holidays and it hurts like, you know, like the guy sacrifice enough the guys did the ladies and gentlemen go out there and bust our ass every night. They sacrifice enough all year. It's they are definitely entitled to spend Christmas with their with their families, especially mostly you know, those with children. Yeah as I mean as a father myself of two grown children so many, you know, you can't get those Christmases back Mark. Yeah, and and and I look back and you know, and I regret not Being there sometimes I mean, I'd I guess I don't regret the decisions some of the decisions I made you know, well, I guess I am maybe I do also I wouldn't be bringing him up, right? Yeah, you know, the the our families are the ones that pay huge price for us following our dreams. And so, you know, I think of think of You know the families if you see even if you're one of these people like I like you mentioned you saw in there. Yeah, I'm seeing a lot of just I mean they don't it's when people don't share your point of view on something. It's like yeah, whatever but for this particular thing, some people are going a little bit farther out of their way to be negative about this. They should be giving us live shows and this and that we're for me. Coming from a production standpoint similarly to what we're doing right now. We're making sure that the folks have a show to listen to so it doesn't break the schedule it maintains all of our stuff. But also we give them something to crowd around the the television to watch Mark, you know, somebody you said tweeted something about you know, we pay their salaries so it wasn't really like that basic. You know, I quoted verbatim. Somebody said we pay the way that's an original. That's an original. I fucking thought yeah, she never heard that one before now and okay notwithstanding. That's boat like bullshit. Oh 100% even if you think that you like directly. Yeah, I don't want to get into that. No, I agree. Yeah, because I mean we couldn't, you know, like without the people's support and coming out, you know buying merch buying tickets. and even these days just your time like it's been viewing the product is what money to us. So even just your time grateful for that, but that doesn't mean that you're getting your checkbook out and right and you know, three thousand dollar check to you know, Bank of America for so-and-so's mortgage or paying their light bill or you know, things like that and there's n Marcus there's also There's a fair trade that goes on when you know, and they pay for something and you give them a product whether it's ever tame out or like a you know, you know, I attend jabal object. So I don't want to get up into that. All I'm saying is if you even if you think that like think of the, you know, taking a their children yan'er wide and all these people that like that sacrifice the parents like one of the one of my favorite things. W we did this year was they've done a lot more show the human story of a lot of superstars where you got to meet parents family trainers this and that and and now there's a face to put to that of everybody deserves to spend Christmas with their families or the holidays with their families, whatever they celebrate so, you know, they deserve to spend time with their families. They deserve to wake up in their own bed on Christmas morning and go, you know, see their children open up Christmas presents art, whatever. You know Hanukkah, whatever the hell's going on. They just seemed to me there and wake up in their own bed. And there's not a better bed to wake up in besides one with the purple mattress on it. Right? I agree with that. 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Thanks purple and thanks to all of our fans over over this past year that have helped us grow. We've expanded to our new YouTube channel. So thank everybody. Who's watching us here on that as well as our podcast feed? All right and about that YouTube channel. We need to get some more content on that. Yes, we do. Yeah, wewe it's one thing to have. Okay this this show and you know break the little Clips up and you know, put the past interviews up. Yeah. We need to have some all the good YouTube channels have like other common web show. Yeah, so don't think I don't understand that. Yeah, there's a lot of stuff that we're developing right now, and we're trying to get schedules and Tech because there and also some clearances because anybody who follows you on Twitter knows you've been watching a lot of great classic wrestling content. So we're just trying to figure out a way to marry all of that together and release it appropriately. Yeah. So thank you to everybody who's been following us there and we want to do something special for this week's show. So we thought as a special special meaning we were trying to come up with something and we're not in a studio. We don't have a guest and now we can't take calls. So special mean I guess we're going to go with a QA. So we third to you the Xbox One to 360 listeners using the hashtag Xbox One to 360. We've got some questions here from the fine folks from you the viewers the listeners and we're going to start let's start some conversations here Sean this one I wanted to put this one in because it's sort of a it's a good end of the year question. What was your this is from the atom bomb 90 and their question was what is the your favorite match that you've seen in 2018 whether that was a match from 2018 or not. What's your favorite match that you've seen in 2018? Well, and I guess maybe because it's fresh on my mind Gargano and Alistair black. That was a really good. Yeah, and you know, I'm not I'm not gonna argue with anyone that liked and any number of matches but more than that. That one because here's the truth Mark these days in a year 2018 going into 2019. There are so many goddamn good matches out there and you know, there's so many guys people to like and so many ladies out there for people to like and okay in the WWE. That was my favorite. I can also tell you Marty's girl and okada from all of that. Yeah amazing match. Yeah, if there was I like that one a lot from all in the only one that I think would kind of compare would be Omega and Pentagon dark from from that show. I it provided a completely different type of message. But I really a lot of the matches on all in I think were pretty indicative of how Has changed across the world and giving us different examples of match types, but when it comes to WWE, I really liked Alistair and and Gargano but almost and Gargano from New Orleans was just her know. I'm sorry Alistair black and I'll mess from New Orleans. Yeah, absolutely phenomenal to all right. Well, mr. Black is one of the best competitors all year even though yes. Three months of it. Yeah, and as good as he was coming in the door, he's gotten so much better the green and the time that he's been there and also as sincere as congratulations on his marriage to Selena Vega very much. So yeah, thank you very much for that question moving on. We got from by Full Sail what match has made the biggest impact on your life? So that doesn't necessarily mean A match of yours. But was there a match that just really affected you and your something the what was the one that made you want to be a pro wrestler? I tweeted that he was pleaded no was just going to say what's his name? The person that asked is from by Full Sail. Are we assuming I might assuming that it's a man we had a couple of women submit but I'll look it up by Full Sail by Full Sail like by Full Sail University does is from Beatrice Ingram. So Beatrice Beatrice? Yeah, I actually Found that match the match the first time I ever went to a wrestling match. I talked about this. I don't know how many times but it was Dusty Rhodes versus Ric Flair and W a title. And that was the main event of the first match. I ever attended live and it was that whole show but especially that in the pageantry and everything with the entrances and Dusty and you know, and Rick and And the atmosphere the arena, you know sold out 8,000 people. That's big. Yeah. Well, especially, you know in st. Petersburg, Florida and the South Arenas were a little smaller than say, you know, you know up in Boston are Madison Square Garden, but yeah, so that's the match in that I credit for making me fall in love with rustling. Hmm and making me want to do this. So that's like That's the might be the most impactful and as far as matches in my career, obviously, my my went over, you know razor as does the kid. So yeah, yeah, obviously, thank you very much Beatrice. This one. I thought would be a little fun if you don't want to go too far into but I totally understand bien Paul sen 18. That's a that's a big name back in the day. Would you rather have Vince pissed off at you or the Undertaker? I would rather have vents pissed off at me. Yeah, yes because get to be in their locker room Undertaker every day on the road, you know and not so much like events you see Vince once a week, you know, that's a chance to like he's got so many other things going on, you know, it's unless you're right there in his face. He's going to forget about it. Yeah, you know and plus vents most of the time if you were doing well for him business-wise like it was enough to get you in trouble, you know creatively. Yeah. So yeah, and there's one. There's only one time I would have possibly gotten taker mad at me and it was back in when I very first very first started and WWA and you know, I talked about this on the show here and there and how I really went out of my way to try to fit in. And you know, it's like the class clown and a lot, you know, just trying to impress I remember somebody talked me into like right in the middle of a talent meeting like getting put in Undertaker's hat and stuff on his gloves and walking in like anger. It was so stupid. Yeah. Oh I got like it was just like I forget who talked me into doing it too, but it was just about the dumbest thing I've ever. I've ever been talked into doing wow and taking this was like cuz you don't mess what anyone shit. I don't know takers don't want to take anything out of it. Yeah bag like a little know what's him out of his bag looks just like sitting there like you don't want this bag, but it was really stupid quick. Bring nice little story. Yeah. They thank you very much for the question. Let's go to Johnny NBA who asks favorite version of DX the first run with you in late 1998 or the heel version in 2000 Johnny. Thanks for the question. I guess I'm going to have to go with you know, the early version with that says baby basis. Yeah. Well, I mean we started off his heels and then ended up baby faces by default. Yeah, is that may be the right way of putting it but yeah, so yeah, then, you know, I had that great run with with Kane last week's guests and and And you know that that whole thing like, you know and draw it you out pretty long. We talked about that, but then luckily still had. You know that DX run those heels and I loved it. What was your favorite thing about it? I just loved it because we were up in the top, you know, and in the top story line, we were we were with vent we were in really good stuff and we were real it. We were really good at, you know being baby basis and we were really good at being heels to you know, we knew how to we knew how to shine the baby faces and we love doing it and Around that time was an just like I think that year. I was in just about every Main Event Madison Square Garden because of being involved in that, you know storyline. Thank you Johnny for that for that question. Let's move on to Shadow Prince 66. Have you ever heard or been pitched a story line that made you question the pitchers sanity so more so, what's the crazy? He's thing you've ever been pitched whether it's been used or not. Not so much storyline. Like, oh no storyline stuff as much as like just hitting this is what we this is what we want to do tonight. This is another thing in the in the question thread, but in terms of the what was it the the crybaby match that you did with, you know, that's one that's something that like, okay, that's an angle. I can you know, there was a payoff and that was the payoff. Yeah. I didn't like that. We'll get into that in a second as a little bit but now I mean like things like the writers coming up with this stupid fucking idea for Kane and I to get involved in this pudding match and me come out with a with a scuba suit on and flippers and goggles. And yeah like a dumbass like I was like, oh I couldn't wait to get up in the middle of all the girls and them fucking A mud it was so goddamn stupid and then Kane comes out and picks me up and throws me in the and in the mud thing and it was in my hometown too. By the way. Oh geez. Yeah in Tampa when I was living in Temp and so in Canaan like it either and you know at that point I kind of still trusted that when everything and like cuz you know things have been going good, you know, but I knew this was a bad idea and they're like, ah, no trust. It's going to be great and I was so fucking awful, you know, we think about the premise of it now anyways, it's so stupid like the putting match and the girls in bikinis and it's the misogyny in this. I just kind of got up to speed on how bad that shit was. It's in hindsight, you know, it was all fun back then or whatever but you know, I got no place anymore. I yeah, so but getting back to it. I like him out there and Glenn comes out and it's just it's going nowhere fast. And my memory is is he graduated picks me up and like we both fall in the goddamn bud. Let me and it was just awful and and as soon as we walk back through the curtain when it was done the writers, they fucking with this letter and it was a good thing because I think I would have fucking broke one of their necks. I was that goddamn that I mean, Literally, but I was ready to choose somebody's fucking head off and it's one thing having me go out there like that, but it's another thing altogether having cane involved in that Ridiculousness since we brought it up. Let me move on to big top thirty fourth question, which was whose idea was the crybaby match. And what were your thoughts on the angle? I hate it. Yeah. Yeah. It wasn't good for me. I did it well and it worked but it wasn't good for me at all. So this Stack when you were you were with Million Dollar Man again. Yes. I was in the doghouse no matter what anyone says and they tried to tell me this wasn't the case back then but it absolutely a hundred percent was I was in the doghouse because it was known that I asked, you know, when my contract was up in like it was around that time see people don't like when they look back on it. That was got last pay-per-view. Yeah. Yes, and he was on the way out the door. I still lost God damn diaper match. So does that tell you something? Yeah, the and addictive. Yeah, and I I'm guessing I might be wrong about this but I'm guessing it might have been Jim cornette's idea because Jim did something like that, you know and men like he's all previously. Yeah back in Mid South or in Memphis somewhere or he was involved in something like that, and I remember that night before before. You know and it was Jim cornette that came up and told me like, you know, I remember running it by me and what was going to happen and trying to convince me like how good it was like in and it depends like it wasn't it was entertaining and it worked but like for me personally, I'm before we continue one of the ways we keep all these shows for you free is by our amazing sponsors. And today Spotify is one of our sponsors on Spotify. You can listen to all of your favorite artists and podcasts in one. Place for free you don't even need a premium account Spotify as a huge catalogue of podcasts on every topic including the one you're listening to right now on Spotify. You can follow your favorite podcast. So you don't miss an episode premium users can even download episodes to listen to offline wherever they are and you can easily share what you're listening to with all your friends and following on Instagram. If you haven't done so already be sure to download the Spotify app and search for AfterBuzz TV on Spotify or browse podcasts in the your library tab. Also, make sure you follow us you never miss an episode of AfterBuzz TV Career at fucking blue. Yeah. Yeah, and there's no two ways about it. It was no like weasel suit match with Bobby Heenan, but I can see where somebody I'm not Bobby Heenan. I was a wrestler like that had to try to go, you know and my mind I was trying to go be a real fucking serious wrestler and you had to you had to come back the next night and be a bad guy and be somebody that people should fear it's quote unquote fear, but somebody that should be Take it seriously and then here you are covered in big and don't cry baby. And then like, you know later on like the aftermath at that point on I would do this thing where I we cry and you know that last it didn't last long because I didn't fucking last much longer. Let's move on to Kaiba to who asks, will you given any advice as a wrestler that became more profound as you gained experience? I don't know I her eye. Read the question and there's just so many things. I can't even begin to pull. There's so many things that were most of the good advice. I got early on I didn't get and that's I that's pretty common. You just don't have the life experience or and and all that stuff to actually comprehend it fully. You know and eventually you do and then you have a light bulb pop, you know pop in your head and it's like, you know, just to things like the basic stuff. Like if you think you're going too slow slow down, you know because guys get in there and they tend to rush and I just they get to going on such a like a pace like that. They're in a race to the Finish Line, especially when the crowds not making any noise, but I'm going to tell you some advice that I got or some things that I used to used to used to get. The wisdom dropped on us from Chief Jay Strongbow. Really? Yeah. He I love Chief my friends and I we love Chief and he loved us but he was he was he was a curmudgeon. He was in earlier days. Like when I was still acting a fool like you pulled me aside and he would tell me trailer is he called me trailer because I was always the last person to, you know, come into building he would tell me when You're at home. He goes you're trying to impress all these guys when you're at home and you're hurt. Nothing you got none of these guys are going to call you and go numb care. How you doing? I understand that was his experience and maybe thought that's just how it was and maybe it was for a lot of people but I that's not my experience. I have a lot of Amazing Friends and just about every time I was out injured. I had a lot of amazing people. Reaching out to me and I'm not just talking about my you know, like direct friends. Yeah. No, I'm talking about guys in the locker room, but not the click. Yeah, you know, I'm going to tell you somebody who really cared my Bob Backlund. Mr. Bob Backlund. Yes. He's just a class act that when I love mr. Bear at Bob and here's another thing about Bob every year on my birthday until he no longer had my current phone number. He called me on my birthday. Day, yeah, that's so nutty's. Yeah, and I'm not I'm not nearly the only one he would do that for trust me. That's so wonderful. Yes. So Bob's very special human being well, thank you computed for that question. Let's let's move on real cable guy one asks, did you ever give mr. Perfect his receipts for shaving your eyebrow. It was eyebrows, but was both of them. Yeah. Okay, and I didn't know it was Kurt until Billy Gunn was on the show like a year and I was at a year and a half ago. Don't remember. It's find out you don't remember Billy. I'm me at me asking Billy and he finally admitted it was Kurt. I only you know suspected it might be and you know, then I found out and and so I there's no real way for me to get a receipt on something. I didn't know but I did I read Kurt Kurt didn't go without getting ripped by me. I remember one time I think it was we were the only room together and San Francisco. I doesn't matter where the fuck we were healing a room together healing a room means sharing a room. Yeah, he was in the bathroom and the shower and I just couldn't help but I got the fucking ice bucket and dumped it on his head over the I could shower curtain. It's the simplest of something. Yeah works the best and I remember one time we used to all go to this very kind of a famous place in Were called. Well, there's it's a it's a strip club like a go-go bar. Like Bikini Bar wasn't a like strip clubs where yeah, you know and then next to it was a diner Skyline Diner and we all used to eat there. Like we kind of that was all kind of our home base. We always go to Lookers. You know, Lookers Lookers was the name of the place and so Kurt and I and you know other people oh Scott Raven was there and Raven saw the whole thing. Has he was laughing his fucking ass, huh? He couldn't believe Kurt fell for it. This guy comes in and he's kind of he's short in. You know, he doesn't look like Joe Pesci, but he sounds just like fucking Joe Pesci. And so he's talking I start calling him Joe Pesci and you know and I told Kurt this is Joe Pesci. And when incurred that's Joe Pesci. Oh Kurt started all you know. This guy in Curt became best buddies and he's inviting Joe Pesci to WrestleMania and given fucking joke that she is phone number. It was the greatest goddamn. It was so funny. And then it's already found out like the body Cash asks. Have you ever been offered a short-run doing matches for WWE to help young talent? And if not, would you do it? I wanted to flip the question and say who in today's market would you be willing would would be the top of your list to work with? I just know that no one no one's asked me that because the way it is right now with the wellness policy and you know the physical and all that shit that you have to go through before, you know, you start only have two guys that that I worked with I'm going today, you know, even attitude are all that never pass a guy. I'm physical. So as a few things I have to get, you know, get squared away. Medically, I don't you do that. Yeah, is there an interest there? Nah, I mean, I know you I know you work more tags now than singles. But here's what I would be interested in. Actually, I would go do some in ring stuff around XT. Love to see you down there. Yeah, that's honestly like it when I look at the you know, the main roster. Stuff and you know NXT. I know you just I enjoy that product and at something like that would make me excited to be part of judah's I could do that level of a match. It's just I couldn't do it often. You know that it just took the recuperation. As you know, 46 years old 30 over 30 years of doing this now it seems like maybe I'm just guessing because I haven't done that schedule. And so maybe I'm just guessing Just the thought of it makes me vomit from Bryant an author. What was your biggest challenge breaking into the business as an under sized Babyface getting on shows? Yeah gettin getting on just getting the opportunity getting someone to even take a look because of the way I looked he's like when I first, you know when I first went to Minnesota and I walked out to the ring I got fucking laughed almost out of the Building because they're used to guys that look like the Road Warriors and Minnesota, you know, and even a small guys were jacked and it's so it took about it took a couple of minutes into the match and for people like, oh my god what the fuck's going on? Yeah. Some people are used me begrudgingly, like for instance our annual bomb. Yeah. Well, no because I'm going to use an example. Okay, may he rest in peace? But the the the founder of the monster Factory Larry Pretty boy Larry Sharpe he was in you know, he ran chosen partnership with also passed away many years ago now Dennis Carl ouzo and Dennis love me and Dennis would bring me in and Larry didn't want area give a fuck. He didn't want he didn't care. He wasn't impressed. He had different. You know, Larry was to guide that you know, well, obviously he was like the Bam Bam Bigelow's the big, you know, the Godfather went through his gun. Big old fucking guys monster Factory. I want the Monster Jam Propel. Yeah, that was things like that your falsely advertised for the monster Factory. No, I was a falsely but oh, I see what you're saying. But you know, yeah, I remember one time Larry told me I'm getting paid less like a hundred dollars less and yeah, so damask just charged $100 more for the insurance that night. Is Dennis was then insurance provider because he was an insurance salesman and I got my still got my prepare. Yeah, it's great. We have a question from D. Ham o62 for who asks, what's the most fun? You've ever had working a match like full adrenaline fun that you had I want to say a match that you know people have seen because it was a pay-per-view match or something, but I think if you can give a televised match in a non-televised. Match, if you wanted to there's any problem with that, it's kind of a toss-up, maybe between Razor Ramon and 1-2-3 Kid versus Shawn Michaels and Diesel it was from the actions own television show that was on Sunday after I think Sunday mornings or Sunday afternoon. It's one of the best tag matches. Just you know, I'd ever see ya deaf of the era for sure, you know, obviously the you know, things have evolved but You know for that era doesn't really get any better than that. As far as the match goes. It was just it was so it was so, you know, like usually you have a template and and it's smart to do that, you know, like in the match, you know, we just did a little different then people would have predicted because usually like in a team razor and I and we're the baby basis I take the heat I take Scott Scott comes and blows to I'm back and it's just how it is. I'm the smaller guy. Yeah, but I blow a pretty good comeback to I make a pretty good fucking hot tag to so, you know, we kind of did that but then I took a bit of heat and then Scott came in and took the big heat, which was like so different just threw off the regular. Yeah sort of Temple. Yeah, and eventually Scott tag me and you got the hot tub. Oh, yeah and I blew a helmet. Yeah, it was it was a good I highly recommend that it's really good the house shall match. I'm thinking of that was so much. On it was just is not necessarily at this is the most fun I've ever had. This one comes to mind. It was it when Scott kept came back to WWE and we did the NWO 2002 version that everyone you know done thing was very good. But like legit like we did really good business with that and had some good stuff. I personally really enjoyed it. Yeah. Yeah. It wasn't the same as the NWO like we didn't run roughshod run. Do everyone like that but at The Meadowlands in Newark and at the time it was the biggest house he ever done. It was a five hundred and fifty thousand dollar house back in 2002 and it was Scott Kevin and I versus Triple H and Hulk Hogan and Hulk didn't get there until right before we went out. So we had to put the match together on the way him do his stuff and tell him his stuff and he was like he thought we were ribbon. Because it was like shit that sound like seem like comedy spots but it was we were just like Charles to us, you know, and it was off the fucking chain. It was so great. Thank you very much for that question. Let's I think I think I got time for one more here Dan. Let's go D. Let's go on Twitter wants to know so in 98 when you leave WCW for WWF how much of the promo after WrestleMania was a shoot? And did you have any regrets from that promo? The only regret I have it was just that I was I was so nervous like I there were a few things about it that were pretty rough. But so no, there are no regrets. It was great. It was real it was coming from a real place. It was a little rough around the edges on a couple of things. You know, I don't like to I'm not a trained to critique my shit, but I don't want to ruin it for people. Yeah, you know, I mean as far as I get everything that I said, it was all fucking real. Real yeah, so legit. Yeah naturally. Well, thank you everybody for for asking all these questions. Maybe maybe sometime in the future will do what I will do it again. Yeah, we'll see how people like this. I think we have one more thing to share with the folks. This episode of xpac went to 360 is brought to you by the national highway traffic safety administration. Nitza is working hard to change habits and save lives during the holiday season. Everyone knows about the risks of drunk driving you can get In a crash people could get hurt or killed but let's take a moment to look at some surprising statistics Marcus. Let's do it. 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Mana deprived.com is proud to present top 8 magic podcast with Michael J Flores and Brian David Marshall brought to your ears. Thanks to face-to-face games.com. Everybody Run David Marshall here with three martial arts the magic together and Hall of Famer and that means it's time for another episode of top eight magic and is we're going to take the temperature of standard. What is the temperature right now post Bannings a week before the Mythic Champion. If you can't stand the heat, you might want to keep your cats out of the kitchen. What is the correct temperature to cook? It's it is Thanksgiving Eve. So, you know people want to know whether or not you should I took off here kittens or brine them or stuff that I think not stopped but not stuffed. I think the key is getting the cat into the oven. They're gonna fight you. I just had to get my cat to the vet yesterday and that was almost impossible. So I have no idea how people are just getting the these cats to go in the oven time and time again in standard right now the cat comes back the very next day. It has nine lives. Yeah, it's so so so the cat deck so Charlie I when we were Were last time I did a podcast I did the podcast with Mike and he and I were talking about what cards we thought would be banned and I thought there might be some more cards. I thought Miss I might get thrown onto that list. But I also thought it was possible that which is oven would get bad and not necessarily because of like insane power level, but just because it's such a drain on tournament resources, right? It's such a mechanical deck and Arena clips and it Clicks. Yes, so I think there's two distinct types of cat Decks that we should be talking about. Okay, here's the cat texted play Green for trail of crumbs and Golden Goose and the cat Decks that just use black sacrifice style engines and happen if they which is a shock Rock Tour sacrifice. So the the straight black and red block deck which is proven to be just not good enough right now, right? I think they're fine. I think that you have to do a few collects, but fundamentally people going to die. Creature is going to die. You're playing reasonable magic. I think those decks being decent Dex is mostly good for the game. It's annoying that you get to brick wall giant permanence this cheaply but lots of messed up magic cards running around. This could be one of them. It's fine. The trail of crumbs stuff is unacceptable. So like everyone else I had my opinion about what should happen, right? I messaged somebody who could reach the right people and I said I like you know, you have to be a no-go. Obviously you you're Banning Veil. We all know your wedding veil and I'm supportive. I think I've been Golden Goose, right? And what's my time this I called supererogatory? Like I wanted to see it gone but I understood if you couldn't get rid of four cards at once on agree. Yeah, right, but I felt like the lagoons had to go because it looked like sacrifice was the best strategy already. It's miserable for operations. And yes leaving cocoa makes it worse, but it's kind of scary does next didn't run Once Upon a Time necessarily because Trail Comes in Once Upon Time don't mix very well, right so so so that what looks like the sort of timeline of this deck right? Because I know when you were preparing the championship Sam had some version of the DAC send out a precursor to the NASDAQ in the sense that he didn't have Nev, but he had favored wishes fires, right? So he had this monstrosity that he was working on with the clearest a monstrosity that he was doing well with but then he sat down he said well, I'm going to play some matches and see if I can actually finish rounds and its conclusion was I'm not sure I can I don't have enough rats in person in time time is running out and he ended up on calves and then when his draft on day two went and we battling his record was me up. He drops we could play the deck of the gravel free immediately got featured immediately played around that went to time and he wanted extra turns against red blue. So it was entirely his fault. Another guitar player was playing slowly right? His opponent was playing fine. He Fine fine just the operations were just so torturous you you just use up more chance, right? It was nobody's fault at all, right? Yeah. No timeouts are a thing now. I want to match 33 seconds to zero. So when you say fires off a wishes it might not be entirely clear to people that this deck also had all the sacrifice element we had a leak at right also Co plus may have devil plus trail of crumbs plus cat oven just just why not just do all of the stupid things in the same back right and now at that at that event at the Mythic Championship the salt I cat decks were kind of the best performing decks or the or the most surprising Performing decks. It was in a standard. It did outstandingly. Well small sample size always a problem. Sure. I'm going to surprise always a thing, but it looks like they had what it takes to answer or go Nessa, right? And we're just generally strong overall. And in the new world, they are the Public Enemy just guy had its day is still a very good deck. I think it's still the best deck for the ladder. Sure. The game is go three times as fast and you would Most of them but if you're trying to win a major tournament like I'm C7. It's just cats are the main thing you should be worried about right now. But as is the problem with cats cats out of the bag, so it is there is that is that give people an opportunity? Is this a combatable - I mean, obviously I know you've been watching croakies I think is yes and you said he's got origin got there first with the mostest and that guy takes his game. Seriously. I just watched him arms. I am assembling his sideboard his main deck getting the ins and outs doing all the details. He thinks about the game the way top players think about the game like, you know, remind me of my toxic Bob Meyer back in the day. Just this guy is the real deal. Okay, like you only one playing for a year. It's ridiculously impressive how far he's come. He's been on this deck playing non-stop at the top of the ladder for a month in various guises for various colors. So now he's at green black because there's not a really a compelling reason to be salty without a co-write. Yeah. I think he's so if he has one weakness, it's arrogance. It's just you know overstatement you have this kind of just taking everything a bit too far, but knowing how to actually act like not taking himself too. Seriously when he does that So it's mostly fine. He's acting so the problem. Is that like what did the other colors give you right red gives you ma'am double. Hope Mandela's it dies. Look at Wolf kills it murderous Rider kills. It kind of leaves a war kills it and it actually stays dead and didn't take anything with it and what you got sacrificed figures right away. So even though it may have devil that lives dominates the board. It's not that great and the pain actually matters corvo. Dies even more right because Grove all you paid five for few casualties of War core Vault. They better gotten a bunch of value from it right away. If you murderous writer at same problem you're paying five for this thing, but that's just not how you dominate a mirror game. So it's just not a worrisome thing. It doesn't solve your problems in the same way like the version that I play upright don't even run core Vault. Maybe they might want one but I don't I don't like the card very much. The White Version he popularized it briefly for furio absolution and it's inside board cards. But as we realize that casualties of war was the best sex trap. It turns out that throughout solution just gets killed itself. So what's the point where you just giving your opponent more value for their mother? Yeah. There's always that problem of like well, do I want to come across like the thing that makes me think that You know, what juice has to be banned? Is the thing where they have attacked Paradise Droid and they have a gilded goose and you have a wicked wolf and you're not sure what to kill. So I've already gotten their value from their one drop their to drop which they have deliberately had to unprotect is sitting vulnerable and you're like probably the one drive anyway. Right, if you're still if you're still killing it at that stage, then think something has gone terribly wrong in the format like yet to quote croakies from this morning the best use of a Wicked Wolf in the mirrors to kill the Golden Goose. So you can kill basically any creature in the format except that other Wicked Wolf and the one-drop you want Dad. That's so funny. Also Wicked Wolf is a card which feels like it's just really. Falling off a cliff a little bit right like is Wicked Wolf still everything. It was like going into the going into the pro tour going into the last Mythic. It feels like it's just less relevant or maybe just back to sideboards. We no longer there's so many cats, right and the problem is Wolf kills kills cat, but nothing it doesn't matter. Can I still alive and Wicked Wolf blocked by cat and Cat already blocked Something Wicked Wolf was blocking and there's no Planeswalker to defend. There's no Planeswalker to kill so we could walk the comes in Antigua card rather than just a generally great card, right? I think people were still sleeping are looking for right now. Okay, I think that people play way too few Wicked wolves. I had four copies in basically all of my Normal builds of cat, like if you're not doing a serious second something that just precludes playing Wicked Wolf. I would run for copies at least three copies. I think the junk my junk build for example has for Wicked wolves. Most versions have one. I can see three right? I can't see one that car is just too good. It just beats people. How many did cookies register for Mythic Championship seven looks like three. Okay after mocking his chat relentlessly for wind to cut one. We could well Phil zimbardo. He almost registered three casualties of war and he was mocking the chat relentlessly for he's Run Like The Forecastle he is he is really the champion for four casualties of War right? Like that's yes been like his big campaign through the glass couple for a while. He almost ended up running three if you watch the video, you'll see the three for a while that goes back to being for and I didn't understand because I'm like, I just want to say 650 of visit right now, like he will talk about this deck for sure. Yeah, not that seriously, but you know still love find out so I was pretty surprised to see him flirt with cutting one that seriously it also I've learned, you know, when you're endlessly mock your chat for doing something. It means you're probably like some look is it again? Yeah, let me subtract their you so you strap. And for the twitch Rivals event you had 600 on day one you ran into a mirror day to and kind of yeah, I did a little Unser ammonius. Like I had an ear day one we which I got the right things in one easily and then there was a mere day to where I had were consistent built than my opponent. I didn't like they were playing in interact more interaction version. I was playing I find your fires version. Citing somewhat moderate Edge in the mirror, but it's still going to be 75 25. Whoever wins the the die roll. They won the die roll. All three games were the person who won one because they went first and almost nothing would have mattered right? Like I won game two that way then then they came back and won game 3 that way but the quest the question I actually asked you so yeah. I mean you've pretty much done everything in terms of being a content creator any like, you know you You've done you're one of the first writers From a Jack you you know, you've been on camera doing deck tax you but what's the experience like for you? Someone who's been with magic since the mid-90s? What's the experience been like screaming magic? Like well, how did you find that experience? I love streaming as a action like the actual Act of being in front of the computer chatting with people watching slaying Magic. That was great explaining my stuff. If anything. I just wish I'd had more people who were engaged with the Strategic that detail of what was going on during Rivals. You can't because there's a delay, right? So essentially like you and also with the serious tournament so you should be cheating interact with your with your stream in that way during I did some other streams after that and if anything I wish more people had been trying to up the punch counter, right? At one point says I said guy said no he had to be fall on the board. Oh no, and I'm like well if this watching my stream and then it's like oh, yeah, it's it goes right because of course if this right we would decide anything and like I even got raided by skradski. So I briefly had a few hundred people cool watching. Unfortunately very few of them talked about like detail. And one thing I love about read stream is that a lot of his viewers have been trained to talk about like little detail. Owens and really engages really. With that content at a very deep level and so you learn a lot about like just the detailed operations of how to play a game. Interesting. So this is and this is that like your what how do you see your relationship to streaming going forward? Is this something you'll do periodically something you're going to do regularly. So the problem with streaming is there's a lot of fixed costs and a lot of increasing marginal benefit. So thanks to my new s of Eternal Fame in hopefully multiple senses for helping me set up the stream, you know reasonable spot and have a good Microphone I have the overlay so it looks Audrina but there's still a lot of things to do. Right MPG bot isn't setup properly isn't set up yet. The bottom of my screen. My screen is somehow a strange aspect ratio. So getting it to project quite the entire screen is actually a struggle. Okay, a lot of little other things have to be done to get it exactly right, you know personalizing a bunch of stuff. There's still a lot of logistical stuff to get through and also every time you sure you pick up followers every time you string to make people more inclined to look for your street every time you stream you develop with a community in the base. And so if I were to stream for 40 hours, maybe even 50 60 hours a week. I'm confident I could develop a strong Channel, but I have a job right so I can't do that. So we're talking about you. Maybe I can do something like Tuesday and Thursday mornings for about 8:30 to The problem is know how many people will like bring in how will that go? And even then that's a pretty big hit to have to do a regular schedule. Right? Like so far. I've done things. I've enjoyed right and it helps that I have been the innovator for just guy and then built two Decks that collectively everybody agrees or fun as hell. Well, let's talk let's talk about those. So if you're if you're looking for something crazy to do and maybe looking to burn a couple of mythix on chords you You don't have on Arena talk to me about your your cat stack and your Fire stack and by that. I mean your cat's Liars deck I have asked. Yes, so, oh, I'm sorry your cat's fires div deck. Yes that deck. So I'm hanging around the office and I'm thinking about various things. But this is the second out of writing is the is the thing as it came out of a bunch of places came out of Sam's original four core build. It came out of Yo many other cat builds including the embryo sac, but it also came out of my writing. I have an article that I'm writing that's already. More than double sized about cats and it's just sort of a my fires style ironic. I know just card by card here all the cards. You could put into a cat deck that makes sense. Here's the advantage advantages and then like, let's see how they go all together and doing that we talk about the Mana I realize So if you're playing make him devil, you're playing favorite Passage. Fine thing about passage you find Paradise Druid kill the goose then one land buys you 13 sources of any coveted color. Jeez. So if I wanted to splash of color. It's fine. Right definitely do that. So, for example, if you're a lab solution, if you decide that's a good card that's pretty easy to get into your deck off of one planes, right that would be fine because you never really wanted double activate it. You never the 8 Mana. It doesn't matter where just want a single activate It's usually the one plants, right? But you know what else we could do because like I was think there's nothing is like sort of the cookies theory that I've understood now is casualties of war is the best spell for the mirror and it's we're getting this guy obviously, could you kill their best creature which cost five and you killed their fires and the kill the Spyglass label Spyglass and knock them back their Castle or their color and then just generally much they're just dead. They don't recover any second fires and then even then it's like tricky you've equal them on tempo. the turn and so I just want to cast this card more often. And more reliably more than more often, right because like rookies considers on Once and Future to sort of get back there casualties of War. There's have to play more casualties of War but I want to find comes into my daughter have one more than I want to like pay much of managed to get it back six and then for that sexy little bit like I like the cut of this guy's jib. Let me tell you how this I'm all about. That's what I'm all about getting cards back and using them again for like just extra salt rubbing, you know, literally I really Are the amount of I'm going to figure out what I need to do to win these matches. I'm just going to do it whatever it takes that he employs two, very different approach than my general approach but it definitely has led to a lot of really cool Innovations and some very good results. I tend to be much more of the what can I do? Let's see what I can do approach and then later. Okay. That's what I'm doing. What are my problems? How do I tune that to solve my problems? Our words and that definite with the NIV deck came from a combination of those two. So it was just well if permanence just died and the only permit doesn't die is Wicked Wolf but it can't attack through a cat. So, why do we even bother then? We just want to find more casualties of War plate parameters to provide immediate value that helps dominate the game. And it feeds into the CAT engine cause like I've been for a while I 24 lands can use your 2524 automatically three cats four ovens for trail for goose. What's the other half of the stack? And so I was thinking what if it sniff. So it's like okay. It's new and casualties of war and I did a search of like every card that is guess this isn't the / umm is it this is a different Native if people that are thinking maybe this, you know, this is I can't I can't so this is work right now. So I want to keep ahead on Temple right in behind our Temple, right? I want to play a six flyer and find my casualties 6 pliers a great stat. Because it at least trades with every creature in Jess guy. And it actually blocks five five is very well, and they have 6 V 5S. And for four fours, so 6 is where it's at and it finds you casualties of War. So like why Bronte it on you just go get a casualties of War right? So I didn't thought to myself. Okay casting this little shaky. Oh, yeah, I can just play fires. But the deck had so much power in it. Let us play these fires and I think those Three Fires is fine. And LSB actually heading on Three Fires an unusual number of fires to see but the philosophy was and said instead of cutting the forest fires from his goals as well. The philosophy of fires. Yes. Yeah, the philosophy is this is a duck that existed without fires and then added fires to it when I realize I can cast it and it works right because it's the whole like I'm just gonna and then I can be controlled from the Golden Goose and then casting spells right is the philosophy of what I'm gonna do and now it's all going to fix my car in a meaningful way because I can't necessarily cast in visit off of five Mana. Or alternatively. I'm going to cast a new visit find the other card we cast the other card immediately, right? Even huh gasping dibs, like on turn four with a goose or a paradise Druid. I already played the fires and now I can double cast and the next thing I do having like, you know, another casualties of War another did visit. Yeah, it's all the same. Yeah. I don't fully chained nibs in that - yes, like you don't love the Russian role, but you don't care right attack of 600 right? He's put another one. Okay, that makes sense. See I just I built this deck kind of out of whole cloth on the main deck is changed zero cards. Like I looked for other side. Maybe you still have the Ethereal. Absolutely. Yeah, the him devil is great because like obviously if he's the engine you can play it off of the fires immediately when you put the fires and it's red black so it gives you a separate so you have four red wax and for green blocks. And if you off solution provides you additional top end of a different color pair defined with your nibs, but the key is everyone who's built the visit reborn decks before has felt the need to try and get like four cards off of this thing. Right right to try and like half my deck is just all different to car repairs. You don't need to do that, right? Because you have six flyer, right we paid for it. If you've built a deck that can get Niven to play and you don't know the rate is great. Right? It's a 6 6 wire 4 5. That's your already. It's fine. Right? It's fine that can trips. Yes. And so the key is don't just find a bunch of cards find the cards that you still need to actually win a game where you resolve the NIV. So if you go near the into casualties of War It becomes very hard to lose a game that you would have won. If you just had more spells you can lose games. Don't get me wrong as lose games, but having a bunch of extra random spells in your hand wouldn't have saved you in those games right now. The game will be played ever clean when you're dead. So I've played I played the stack a bunch on Arena and here so here are my experiences with the stack. You have some really good matchups and you don't get to play those matchups because you do one half of your deck. one third of your deck and your opponent concedes right you go you demonstrate that you have Goose trail of crumbs going and your opponent like I don't want to play Magic anymore or God forbid gift to Trails, you know, then you face someone and you play fires and you play something off of fires and then they concede or sometimes you just show them a cat and an oven and they could see the games where people don't concede are the ones where I'm like I win the fewest obviously, obviously you have a hundred percent win rate when they can see but I mean where people are just like, oh, okay. I'm playing like I've lost a bunch to this like mono blue or nearly mono blue flashes black. Yeah, it does. It does flashback. I think sometimes I've seen some thought erasers but like basically Aventuras cargo lock I think isn't that that yeah. Yeah and they have yes, they do a great. They've got a lock same like eight hard counters and they can once they figure out what's going on. They can wait on a real card and it's a solid T-Rex you - yeah. I kind of want to try and build a version of that. That doesn't suck. I I had the same thought yeah. Yeah. I'm very interested to see what that would look like. If I mean, I've got two very wacky decks recently. And I think the next thing to do is just sort of try and rescue some strategies that you know aren't necessary up to Snuff and making the best they can be probably if I was gonna do more screaming. What's the other what's the other wacky deck memories every restaurant. I don't know if you can see that. So this is another we have 250 rhetorical. Yes. Here we have the 24 and so straw ski inspired this one. Okay, which then inspires Frosty to improve his deck. He calls pile number one is the original plan which needs a better name, but also doesn't yeah because that means kind of cool. I like that name. So this point it's like pile number seven or something. But yeah revisions don't count right? Yeah, so What I saw out of straw ski was an emery in play. And adventurous gargoyle. Absolutely. And so I just reminded that every is a magic card. It's like okay. There's a magic card. And then I realize I messed up Magic card very much. So I mean modern players know this. Yeah. Yeah. I mean this is this is a card that has made its impact felt on constructed magic already. We just haven't seen much of it in standard right because in standard the artifacts are few and far between Or should I say the artifact cards are few and far between the artifacts are everywhere because food is really hard. Yes, so I realized wait a minute every just cost you I've got food and I've got ovens. So can I find some more artifacts to make this work? So the great hedge is obvious, right? So you have the great hands and then I remembered right Ventures gargoyle. So this is already like, you know, two great tastes that taste great together. So you've got your Ventures gargoyles. And of course, you've got your Lovestruck piece because I've been playing it up in the great hand earlier trying to make it work with the the Grazer Once Upon a Time engine. Just power it out. So I know how this works. You've got Lovestruck these vendors. Gargoyle. You've got eight ways on turned forward to just drop the hammer on a form an a grade hinge. And so now you've got three great hinges. It's legendaries. You don't really want to risk it, right. It causes the you to not be able to actually go off when you cast it if you play for right too often, so three great hinges for which is Ivan's for ventures gargoyles. That's 11 artifacts. They're all cheap right in context, right? Is that enough for Emery when you got throw a condom Goose giving you these artifacts early? So it cost one or two Mana. The answer was yes. It's really good enough to take this quite good. I considered flying golden egg with stress key does use right just to have an additional like way to turn Emery into like we extra cards we extra food we but I Why is that? Spending Mana for cards is not really that X-Men problem. And and there's actually the reason it's good enough is because there aren't 11 hits with every with every there are 14. You'd hit a cat. Oh. Because so what if you can't cast it, right you put it near a hard, right? And so every get you four cards closer to cat oven regardless of how many of those were milk, right? The best of the best Mill is a cat in an oven right? You'll be the fourth cat basically anywhere but like tumor Iraq or pure aggro decks for you want to actually use two ovens two blocks of ice sure. So you generally run three cats is the connection that I've adopted unless you are using like these two forgotten gods or some other like pure engine where you just You know all cats welcome here. You know, I just like turn into an old cat player. Yeah. Yeah cats will eat you die Dad. Yes. Be careful about how to catch you have so you don't the old cat man. This is not good so might already be old cat man. Well, hey, hey watch out for that never too late to change. So so once we have the great henge and Ventress cargo and Emory, I realized okay the man has Not great. But when we do this black, it's important. What if we just lost all the black cards except for cat. We have three cats we can get sport that off and Penguins and nothing Mouse plus Gilly goose. Another meta curve that is much lower because we've got every which cost effectively one man. Uh, like maybe one point three mana and you've got to Menna you got vectors cargo, which is a great to trap just get your game going and yeah, it doesn't do anything on turn to necessarily because you're being attacked it does if you're not being attacked, it's just eating my future it's fine. So your curve lowers or 24 land is pretty solidly the paradise Druids to fill out your to slot you can more action. And then your high-end finishes off with feasting troll King. You have more cards. You can Mill with your Emery. And just more things to combine with and all the great henge to Metta why we're spending this is this deck is much more up my alley than the NIV Dax. I don't remember playing this. I remember telling you should check it out. Ya this is exactly what I want to be doing with my magic. Yes, and I never heard you wanted to get I got distracted by knew. It was like a week before I posted this. Yeah. I was too busy trying to grow a beard. It wasn't it wasn't successful. Yeah, so which of these decks do you like better? Like if you were Woody? How about this if you were going to the Mythic Championship seven, would you play either of these decks in the tournament? Let's be honest. No, okay, because When you're in a mirror matchup in particular. The cards that you're doing with secondary engine make you have more velocity but like are not going to be as impactful as someone who's running casualties of war and ways to break your thing up and in general try to deploy more power to the board only matters if it's enough. I just kind of not enough. Okay, so I can't plan right and I tried nerve. And the bottom line unfortunately for NIV is that the deck is just not quite consistent enough. Right. So NIV Can't quite reliably do its thin if you face a deck that's not cats and not calves. Then you have some serious problems with the blind spot. They've introduced by diverting all of these slots the secondary engine and you have to use your sideboard to kind of get your integral package back. So the design of the board was Where you're being attacked on a different Vector where this - doesn't matter you take out your high-end you bring in your low end and either you bring in duress plus some low end or you just bring it a bunch of defensive low end and it gets you back to a reasonable place but not as good a place as you'd be if your men it was better in your deck was somewhat better. So I don't think it's quite they're also just they're not just developed as they need to be and the decklist deadline is now wish yes. I think I think it's today macaques was really changing his deck like an hour ago. So it's clearly not yesterday. Now the decklist are going to be posted next Wednesday, right? Don't get Wednesday afternoon Wednesday afternoon leading into the Mythic Championship, which is the following week that weekend and we're going to we're going to do a preview show again. Going to go through all the time. Yeah, I'm we did. I'm actually happy unaffectionate. We're not going to get them tomorrow just because you know, I talked about burnout recently. Yeah, it's been three MCS just in a row. Yeah. It's been a brutal right if it's the format changes dramatically, you're playing the standard format. That's really grind e that's really like about these complicated long mirrors that are hard to get a handle on everyone streaming for a living on top of it And then you just you fro 2011 tournament, please empty all members and even the Challengers and it's so brutal. Hi everyone. So if you gave them a decklist tomorrow, they would feel the need to actually test specific matchups. Oh, okay. I was wondering where you were going with that that makes a ton of sense, right? You'd be a top eight with a week to go right just be wanting like, okay. So this is the build that Pantheon submitted. This is the bill that Guys submitted. This is the build that crack is submitted Let's test these specific match up, especially the deck. They haven't seen before and the next week. We'll just be more testing right? Whereas now there are so many players like Brett Nelson. For example, we're just like I'm so relieved to have just here's my deck. This is one of the fly. I'll get some more reps in I guess but we will just not care until Wednesday afternoon and then we will focus. But in the meantime, I'm going to take four days. I'm going to eat. A turkey I'm going to watch football. I'll watch some more football and I'm going to relax and take a little bit of a breather because there's nothing in that right if I was in MC 7. Yeah and Douglas were released. I'd be like no like it's been Thursday with the family on Friday. Yeah, I'm messaging Autumn and messaging Sam and I'm like, we played this particular set of this set of matchups from my deck or whoever my team is with this event, right? I was very happy and Anyways in great teammates, the timing was bad just because like when I wanted to play Magic and when they want to put magic just like didn't light up on the schedule. So like we have to figure that out again, if we're going to work together again plus just the structure of these tournament changes so much that like, I have no idea how many of us have been a fly or have a good team makes sense. Right? So, I don't know if I'll ever be invited to another big event, right that's worth that level of prep. I can't justify taking weeks off of my time for What are now the events I'm invited to so so what are the adventure invited you now are the Players Tour Regional events, right? And then those events then feed into the players towards final events. Yeah, so it's basically all of the work right to get ready for it. To play a qualifier for the event that you were previously playing good prizes and stuff attached Good original OneDrive. It's not bad. It's just not. It's more than a quiet morning glory. Yeah. Yeah, right TV is always terrible right the time you lose is so much more. Right? Right, like what winning that is not the same as winning the finals or winning an Old Pro Tour or right? No one's an account. That is the top finish. We've no one should write like it's not the same thing. Right? And so I can't justify the intense level of prep unless I'm the streamer the streamers then have the ability to do the prep incidentally. Right cuz their job right don't provide it's great, but it puts people like me at a big disadvantage. At least with the with Richmond like I could justify if they have us be good time. This is the this is a big event Marky I can I can devote my time come with some chance right still felt that a big disadvantage to people who could afford to just Jam Oco mirrors every day, but at least I was in it, right and they are back on it it vaguely tendentially if I can keep up, but I could be the same. So unless I get special invite to an arena qualifier and we read approach or I spiked a wildfire weekend or something happens where I suspect one of the Regionals by accident, you know, I probably won't be able to be as in Tunes. I was in Richmond and it didn't quite work out for Richmond, right? But I think that was somewhat variance. I think I deserved something closer to ten and six or nine and seven, right? I don't think I deserve the top eight. I know I think that like clearly the people who do the oakum you're inside and out where the people who deserve to win. Justice was served. Yeah, what did you did you watch any of the top eight from the championship sex? Absolutely. What what did you I mean watching it. I felt like I was watching magic being planned as much as just tastes as you had four o co and that whole package of cards at that point in time and standard the gameplay that we got to watch your wallets doesn't Anam while it's still available. If you can find it. I don't remember which day it was. We can go back and watch Strauss Keys analysis of the top of the top eight matches where he goes through his matches and he talks about each individual play on the stream. Later. Oh, yeah, that's that's that's invaluable to buy pure gold. Yeah, if you're if you're looking to get better as a magic player, that's exactly yeah, and he tells me the details don't matter anymore, obviously if the dead format, but if you want to understand how people think like you should be watching that like II I've learned a lot about cookies process this morning watching him talk about his ins and outs and figure things out in real time, and then he started to play match on my I want to swanston Street. I've got two second enough, but when I was watching you talk about your thing, I think about your thing that I wanted to say Let me let me ask you a question. Where do you have Paula like all time? Like what's your what's your I have I think it is John Connor Paolo at this point that pilot three. Yeah, but like I think Paulo has the potential you never no one's going to ever win the number of pro-choice. Ky1, right? That's just I mean not possible at this point just the nature of what those Our has changed so much II don't I don't think anyone will I think it's like, you know, back-to-back no-hitters or you know, 400 wins for a major league pitcher. I think it's just impossible for the nobody to yeah, but I mean Paulo has the opportunity. I mean he has never other than maybe like One span of like, you know, not even 12 months. I mean, it's just never caused her before she was entitled still hungry. Yeah, it was quite good. Yeah, and that's what needs to happen for him. Right? He's to be still hungry he needs to not burn out and be able to just want it. Keep wanting it for long enough. Look at some point, obviously if you know, we're talking about 25 years. And Magic is getting to its 50th anniversary and he's been playing this whole time 27 top aides. We're going to have to give it a go at some point if he keeps it up. I think he's I think he's very close to the goat. I think you know, I love John I love kayak. I have tremendous respect for them. But like the consistency with which Paulo's but excellent is unmatched in the game. Yeah, I think John if he wanted it even today but that but that's part of it, right? Oh, yeah, it doesn't count if you're not there. Right? Right. So I mean people people always talk about Bob right as being one of the greatest players of all time and the problem with Bob. It's just that Bob. Was as good as when Bob cared right Bob would show up at tournaments and go someone give me a deck. I don't mean someone tell me what list of play I mean someone physically had me cards and I'll play them because yes, I couldn't be bothered to figure out what to do and assemble them. Well, Bob is brighter naturally talented, but I don't I don't think Bob is any longer in that top three discussion because you just see that the combination of I want and dedication and Longevity and all these other factors, but I've never had the numbers that Kaiser John did so it was never going to be in that discussion. Yeah anywhere near as long as they were and I think Nassif had passed him at some point as well Andy, I think the thief is clearly ahead of Bob and Lisa at this point as well. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. No, I mean those are probably your top five. I think we're seeing someone. Yeah, I don't think so. I mean again a lot of people will put some other people in the top five, but at some point the results have to match Mater and the longevity has to matter, you know, and not the potential potential isn't enough. Yeah, there's a lot of choices for who you think might be the next person. I cookies is showing me more potential to be like one of the goats than I've seen from anyone in a long time when you player it's only been a year just want to reasons why it's so good. That's that's crazy. I mean, we'll see you'll have to buckle down. He'll have to keep working hard for a long time who have to learn a lot of new aspects of the game that he doesn't know yet because they're new to him. you know, but I think the talents there. Yeah circling back to Paul is one thing. I just I was a moment at the end of the tournament that really struck me and I talked about it. I think on the good luck high-five podcast, but it's it was really kind of like a great little pivot that I saw Paulo do so at the end of the event, you know, Andre wins Paulo sort of slumps a little you know, like okay you got this, you know, they extend the hand Andres jubilant, right? His teammates come over and they're all congratulating him and Paolo who is also Andres teammate and you know, you see you see Paulo sort of pivot from like just walk away from the agony of defeat just kind of be like, oh, okay. I've lost but my teammate has one and he gets up and he kind of like circles around almost a long way. To get to Andre and by the time he gets Andre, he's just like oh my God, we won the pro tour like, oh my God, and he's hugging and there's this great. It's just this great Embrace of and it's all the human stuff all that. Expectation and enjoy for your friends and your teammates that gets kind of like tamped down over the course of a tournament, you know, because you can't go there while you're playing. Yeah, just I just thought it was a really beautiful moment. I ever never want to turn on a dime, but I've I've been very happy that I'm able to do that with like one or two days notice right? We're like, okay. Yeah, I got knocked out yesterday and these and talk my friends and talk baby. Yay, you know. Yeah. Yeah, I finished 32nd and then oh my God, it's all great and it's tough right like You're at that dinner right back. I remember back in Houston. My teammates went one two, three with three different dag. One of the great teams videos in the history of the perch are talking about Pro Tour Houston with team. Ymg right. I'm sitting there, you know, toasting and congratulating them and feeling the way happy about it, but the doc I'm I do still like I find this if 75 is Justin and I can say to you know various a bitch basically, but like that was the cognitive or that the host. Yeah, we brought back together three Of us that played it and I just you know, I think he planned it better than I did but mostly you know didn't break right for me. I'm quite make it. Yeah, it was tougher back then because you had to actually record that was that was my first direct interaction with Justin. I had known him, but I was doing coverage at that event. I was just like and He reminded me, I don't know if you've ever seen the the movie Bull Durham, but like just like he played the game with the arrogance that Bull Durham talks about like not not but just like this confidence like he knew he was going to win that tournament. It felt like the whole time. Yeah, you know, he was you know, we talked about that idea of camping things down. Justin didn't have anything tamped down that event now I was Misty I would I touch them directly with him and I was Teammate and friend for a very long time we watch times but like he still won't get. Yeah. He looked at every story. He is one this one. Yeah. Well that was that was my first that was my first real experience. Got some I remember that pretty and I get his newsletters now is a game designer. Yeah, and it's still there pretty good to Justin. He he he deserves a little bit of arrogance. So it's We're pretty good to him. So so let's Circle back to the Mythic shape to what would you be playing in distance there before? I think about that just to finish up with the Mythic sex. Yo. Yeah, I strongly agree with your point that when you watch the matches, I loved watching the coverage when I got home. Yeah. I hated playing right and that event. I dropped out in the Grand Prix. When I could have 3-toed into money because it was so small. There's like I could miss take you and still win money. Right my God, I couldn't stay for day two with two losses. I knew that but I could like when the restaurant I chose that day and then drop and then win like $200 and I was just like I don't want to play Magic anymore this format and I always say I would have still played mystery booster. I think they were out at that point or like sort of is just too late. And so I just I'm just gonna go back to the hotel room. I get my flight tomorrow, you know, I just can't anymore. How'd you so miserable playing all these matches but watching the matches when you don't have to the operations you can think about all these complex details fascinating. Yeah as a player who likes the details like strategic questions because once people have built their decks to be able to handle the mirror. Yes, some game has become snowballs, but the figuring how to make sure how to you know play for the snowball play against the snowball play for the small number of outs. You have plan on different aspects. You know, I'm trying to win this way you're trying to win that way. I have this engine you have that engine. I mean one of the things I loved about the top 8 is to rip off your phrase is I would say that there were some great snowball fights where one player would just come out to some just seemingly insurmountable lead. Early in the game and then you know pop I've Apollo was masterful multiple times where he was just in this terrible situation between some combination of Mulligan's and early starts by his opponents and just by just being as economical as possible and every single opportunity to claw his way back and then to get the snowball advantage and it was really fascinating to watch I think. Think it was some of the best for what I would consider to be a bad form at some of the best gameplay I've ever seen in the top 8 of a pro tour. Yeah, it was for that specialized audience amazing right in its own way. And I think part of that is just when you build professional level docks to Pete other professional level decks professional level players. Any effort spent on wind more? You don't need is effort wasted the decks are all built to catch up. To be efficient to fight to deal with adversity and they're not built the same way to reliably put you away from 90% to 100% because that's not as important and then when the math comes down to it, so you have these different have exactly enough high-end exactly enough push. To get you there and so they leave you this little opening, right? They they intentionally don't reliably close you out there because I'd rather stop someone else from closing them out and get more percentages that way right. So I call Rose build like for racing and racing borrower right like just have a bunch of efficient ways to just break up the best things. Right rather than ways to snowball more and then with Veil. The top cards get even worse and so the wild swings get even we're in some ways even Wilder right? You can no longer just swing a giant Haymaker at the opponent the same way, but it also means, you know, You took my network. Right, you can just get this extra. This is other also so many different ways to get advantage. And it's not obvious. Which ones beat which ones? So yeah, that was in some ways. I was sad to see that format go obviously, you know other way so much more important. If you don't like the weather, wait a week, I have Pioneer. There's been a lot of bands lately. Yeah. I did you see the video. No, so lsv tweeted a video listing all of the Bands set to Taylor Swift's. I forgot that you It was amazing. That's great. I don't know who made it. Yeah, no credit to whoever I just don't. Yeah. Yeah. So one of the big things, you know, so going into Mythic 7 now casualties of War seems to be Enemy Number One and it's a card that was just not really viable in Mythic Championship sex. I mean it just it was there. I it was people played it but it was really hard to justify in a field full of lsummers, right? Yes, basically you Almost want to board it out against the decks where it would take him a lot of things and give you a happy with because of a love summer. So people had in the board people had at their main and boarded it out. It was like this card. That's so I talked to several people who basically gave me different versions. Like right Nelson to give me versions of I have no idea what rijkaard was six drops are better. different situations different ones when the game I'm constantly seeing people when games they could not have won or saying game they couldn't stayed in because they had exactly the right one or lose because I had the wrong one, but it's in a different ones every time I have no idea, right it just totally unclear with the better ones are But now casualties of war is the King right of this x drops. Like I see people who play Jana garak. Feasting troll King has been a bunch of my goals because I couldn't support never black or I just was legitimately playing for graveyard interactions rather things, but in terms of just purely winning battles its casualties of War just got his everywhere now and characters rewards is the only sex trafficking from that actually matters. Oh, wow. Yeah, right when we asked them get them but like coyotes can get the fires and the Cavalier and actually win the game, right? And in the mirror, you hit the trail of crumbs and the which is Ivan and the castle and the creature. Yep. I've done that a few times. It's great. Yeah number of games where you know, like I think I built a better version of John before casualties of War. Because Jen gets you ma'am double but why am I not just running a good deck anyway, right? Like when I doing don't have the first game I played with Nev, I putting this attack back. They play second two different second row across put a paradise drew a it which is often a cat put a paradise dread. They sucked along the trail and play the creature. And then I put casualties of war in turn four and then I want yeah and is it is a powerful powerful Magic card. How do you fight it? Like how do you that has to be a car that's on your mind? Yes as a card. You need to either defeat or Dodge somehow like how do you manage your game against casualties of War so next election is obviously If you can do as a just by player, you do not just throw a second fires out of habit until you have enough men at your okay. If it dying including when I land of yours has been lost right? Could you know, this is a risk in the mirror. It's basically just going to suck for you do consider that like you can't just say I'll use this trail of crumbs later necessarily. Brought it onto also becoming a things you have to worry that it's going to not be around. But a lot of other decks, I think should be thinking more about well, I shouldn't be playing sorcerer Spyglass. I shouldn't be playing this random value planeswalker. Because they might just die by accident right for no value. Just collateral damage if for casualties of war is the right thing to do against you anyway without this value card. Don't do it. So if I was going to register Cavaliers right now, I would seriously consider just registering 0 spy glasses, right because it's producing Jets lat that would actually work. If you want to do that and have a utility or just put work another devout to create another custom that slide If You Were Somehow and I'm not saying you would be like if you were working on elk blade right now, you would probably cut the Royal Saiyans as a just like incidental Planeswalker that was in the deck. That was sometimes cited out some you know, what because it just might get hit by casualties. I think that that can particular would not care on the theory that my goal is to have the game over with For you get the size, right? That deck is a very aggressive deployment DAC. So I'm going to run my dumb reason my Royal Saiyans and my whatever and if you for for one me good for you. So let me let me is this is this an epic leave format like for Mythic Championship seven boy, it seems like that's the card that if that's the plan right if that works getting under casualties and like ending the game. Is there is there a deck that's reliably able to Well, you certainly can't once my time for goose and graze or anymore. Right? So you have to do something else. That doesn't work right Once Upon Time what I didn't even consider trying to survive that well, you know, yeah, I understand the question but like yeah. You do have like redundant two and three drops that you can play that you know, and but you you don't get the bear to serious and retrieve attempts this also attempt to Splash it in red blue, which I don't think is necessarily a crazy card Choice doesn't really change the decorating. Okay. So the two reasonable choices are gruel aggro. And rectus nights potentially Martin nights. Yeah, but same deck anyway, yeah, so we're not gonna even worry about it. Any Raptors is probably the better bill just cleaner. Yeah, so rector's nights. Jerry please so if you play register, then you expose you to have to getting ready to work at it. So like try to attack on the ground through cats. Through a bunch of wicked wolves and they end up was going to pick off your 1. Mm creatures just in general like you've got the new version of Oco, right? The new thing that is incredibly painful to try and get through. Maskull girl is a one-sided. Is he on a raft leaves behind a 4/4 with the game Darrow easily ends afterwards casualties kills them Burke leave. So it's actually a good card against you. It's not great. But it's fine because like a lot of the reason you put them back. We have X's they wipe your board, but you still be under Cleveland used to cook your own Berkeley to something and you win and now they actually have room for them Berkeley if they play Fronton that's a nightmare for you because a maniac Bronson on right because now like if the Bronson on out and say go and now if they play the a McQueen was like, okay kill it before. Damage is dealt. You can't do this you lose. So it's a pretty Shaky Ground to be on but the cast of power that dick like definitely is at least like to your one a fish and I think it's just not he's the kind of deck that like if you want a ladder quickly to Mythic be a reasonable choice, right, but I would not register it in the MC. I think it's week two just guy. You can build it to be somewhat more resilient. Right? But certainly just that cares enough that their issue is yes guy is having to play more to matter removal spells in order to do a shifting Sarah tops in particular which is pushing it towards Justice strike and lava coil and I think just is it pushing it away from deafening clarium? Oh no. Oh no. No in addition to I got these access to the problem being that If Jessica has access to like one or two Justice strikes to go with Bonecrusher giant to go with. You know devout decree and Aether ghost. Into its Clarion and then it has like a solar Ablaze to go if it's time way ports run closed down or something like that. It's just a nightmare matchup for deck like grass rock those nights and that's when the second most deck after some version of cats. If you group cats together, right and the cats that has cats and after girls and wicked wolves and murderous writers and natural artifact removal. It's General that luck is always seems like a kind of paper kind of a glass Cannon sure the Raptors deck powerful one, but I don't think it's quite good enough the gruel Zack. I said Martin Jews it take gruel to number one. Okay, at least briefly. And I think Martin built it correctly except for some arguments over cable package. I think Frank Carson probably yelled at him about number of sources forever cleave and he took it a little bit too much to heart. He's I guess I know from seeing his shadow reasonably often. Yeah, but so he's built is collector and Innkeeper. Oh wow, and I thought the moment I saw Innkeeper. I was like, okay that's an idea, but you can't compel collector. What are you insane? And then nobody? Quite make the numbers work and the he just did the obvious and I was like, yes, of course, that's the right built. I was 24 and for all for us. So your ones are the two the two one ones your to drop to Paradise Road remark night. Your three drops are the eight Adventure creatures Bone Crusher diet and Lovestruck these plus girl spell Riker. Questing beast and Berkeley's and that's your duck. That's it. I am haste or I've Adventure or I am dancer and that's it. Right, you know and some And so it's a very very clean very aggro deck that like poses problems for people. and are you surprised that wasn't within like two cards of the right Bill? Like maybe you want some ambushes or something somewhere or whatever and then you can board chilled breaker against witches oven. I like to show breaker. That's yeah. Yeah and Sarah tops against just guy. So those are both very strong side work cards. I think have to be there and then the rest of your work can be cart. You have done these ambushes for future battles and generally like the last piece or to go shovel. I forget what his last I work hard was a gimme gimme your prediction for this for Mythic Championship seven in terms of the metagame. We'll see you next week. When we do the preview podcast how it plays out. But what are you expecting to be number one cats number two? Jessica I didn't Katz's might be one end to depending on how you drag it out. Sure. I think I'll allow for ya from February to see we're going to see a bunch of gold gauri and a bunch of John and I think oh gauri, we'll probably I think I'll guard you should remember John just based on what's actually good. But I think we'll see a mix joint has been doing well in like all these little run-ups and people see it a lot in the ladder and a lot of people preparing to short time. Beyond the ladder. So I think we'll see those too. If I had to guess we're talking about 3035 percent of the field some like a third. Like I don't think this is a degenerate situation. I think lots of people can do whatever they want. But I think it's going to be a strong number one just guy should be number two pretty easily. I'm guessing something they were to 15 to 20% Okay, watch me be wildly wrong, but you know, yeah, that was pretty good. Huh? My point right? Yeah. Right, right. I think Jessica will mostly stick very close to the Sphinx built cool. They're going to be some there's going to be someone who shows up in a bunch of a of wishes right a handful of people who do that. There will probably be at least one other fires deck that isn't just guy like we're talking a copy or two. I think the Greeks is just guide the greatest fire. Zach is bad. Okay. It just doesn't do the same job. It's just not reliable at all. There's the two most important decks. If I had to pick a number three right now based on what I'm most interested in based on what I've seen from the pros. My curve ball pick is red blue temp red blue flash. Okay. I think that this deck speaks to good magic players. in a way that gets it played. So I think that the the Virgin was played in which Rivals before God Wicks that was built just around abusing guide which was a substantial Improvement on previous builds that I had played against I didn't see gedman played very often at all previously. It was terrible and it went from terrible to okay, and we're talking about maybe 10% of the field here. Like, you know, we're talking six players maybe seven players. If I had to guess but I think before God works it now has the ability to let you just maneuver around the game around what your opponent is doing very powerfully. It is a deck that plays far beyond the power level of its cards and the power level of the things that it does in the game and it can just bury you if you are not careful, so that would be my pick for number three. And I think that it will do. Okay, right. I think that It will probably I don't know if I can truly hang with the big boys, but I think it's like got reasonable matchup against both of the top decks like not great but not terrible and then can beat up on undisciplined Dexter Dexter try to do weird things to win years. You know, I haven't played in visits like okay, you're in a lot of trouble dude. It's like yeah. Okay. That's fair. So beyond paired up against me Masha with superfan one to five. Excellent. trusting a not qualified What seems like a weird oversight giving you have like streamers special invites? But yeah, it's yeah, that did not happen again, right? Yeah. I hope not. I hope not he's but he's got his slot for world yet. It is a great streamer and great success. Yeah, right. You should get him in there. Right? Yeah, but so beyond that, I think we'll see some girl. I think that there are Well Javier's qualified, right? Yeah, but Javier is good. No. Yeah. No, I think that we're again like think about the challengers, right? Especially the challengers who are streamers who know that they are like overmatched. It's an important sense, right? This is not their Forte. They do not want to be getting into these defensive captain. There's one thing about the Caps that if I'm wrong about the number of catbacks, I think. A lot of that might be that there's so much operational concern with being timed out and not be able to function properly just not be able to handle the pressure off all these clicks that a bunch of players just Retreat or something. They know better, right? And that would not surprise. That would be the reason why I just got guys up at number one the concern I have about the cat Texas that it just becomes like an FPS right? It's just like a fat it's just like who can click through the the quickest, you know, I have some concerns. I think it's only in mirrors. Yes, but you know, it was hardly green black mirrors where it's a serious concerns opposed to a side concern. But yeah, a lot of players just really don't want that to happen to them. And I think that's something people worry about a lot. So after that, I think we'll see some girls picture from the challengers. I think we'll see some tumor Reclamation simply because there are some players who can't let go and it's the kind of thing that just really really appeals some people I have seen more look good when I was watching a drink some of that which rivals in the Swiss, but then it didn't do anything games where it doesn't look good. It just dies right very quickly. It's not on camera. It looks much better. It's one of those things the game when the curating the games that they show you're saying. Well, this is what they're still going. Right? They have a choice the same way that like when you when you play that song you play as cats less than you showed on the ladder, especially like the grinding cap decks because they take someone to finish their game so they don't hairs often. That's funny. Right? So you play them half as often do they train see quite as long right? It's a serious problem for balance in terms of your testing. Are you have to try and balance that I think oh gauri Adventures This might be number that number three is probably the number four or five just because it's just a solid that a magic cards is the kind that really again appeals to a bunch of Pros like playing that kind of style. I think it's underpowered. I think it's a mistake. I think Reed was has to get a bunch. I think he's probably going to run it and someone has to read was going to play oven and reason I've I was referring to the like Revenge attack. I've also played oven and I thought was no we can't play oven. Ivan get you too much card manage, right? I mean read is fundamentally opposed to drawing. Two more cards and you need to win the game and even one is pushing it and and the cat decks just draw seven more cars and they need so I feel like at oven but like in Black right where it is just barely good enough and you're trying to get their life total and that that makes sense to him right? If you don't like green bucket weigh Adventures where you served me. Yeah, you can sort of even from snowball, but mostly you're just doing exactly enough to get ahead of your opponent and then just pushing it through and playing a very read style and criminal Advantage game. I do expect Adventure Center. Form, okay, I think red we will do okay. I think the the aggro decks are probably in a bad spot. So you don't think like the mono read like decks have any have any shot here? Like I'm some of my innovate right? Like I saw the chi thien made they do at which Rivals with mono white. It looks like the biggest pile you've ever silly did hot. Garlic. I have no idea and I have no idea but we went five models that right like somehow and you could just save all these really good at Magic but also it feels like we use taking the skill game out of his own hands some extent by playing that because like I think there's only one line from whose kids is that tack right? Right, like you can optimize exactly how to deploy your car creatures, but I really don't think that many choices with that deck so I don't understand. What happened? And he's comment was it was a good thing about it from day one and then that bad Mecca Monday to any lost but I don't know the connection types are. A couple cards. I mean mono red is not a deck we've seen much since maybe the previous Arena Championship. It's like it's playable you can do it, but it has here's the cards that I'm really curious about because we talked about casualties of War being unlocked by Valve summer. Where are the missus and the hydrate crisis is that you know should be doing their Victory lap. From approach are they lost their Once Upon times? It's a big problem. Yeah, and they're all goes right like but I'll mostly Once Upon Time because they were decks. They didn't do that. So they're in a reason Reef Sendak now. Finished here too. Okay, the next doesn't reliably do its thing enough. I tried to I I have kind of a weird island of dr. Moreau like lab for cat decks right now and I tried that one and didn't work fish cat catfish. Wait Elemental cat. Yeah cat certain Elemental type, right? Yeah, we all bit of cat. And and no no, they're not don't don't do it. It just doesn't do the wrap. This isn't relevantly I figured like well now you going to put Cavalier Thorn it's going to Mill 5 cards. Now, you're to find your cat and they're gonna kill it and you're gonna bring your truck runs back, right and then like it's all going to be great. It's like no this is not actually relevant to Magic card writing games. Like just don't do that. Yeah today before the streams we well my procedure is I try to win a constructed event. With a deck before I posted a statement at this point is my procedure to Sir confirm that it's at least got some stuff going on life doing something interesting and part of that is like when you play deck on a ladder and you lose a bunch of matches suddenly a percentage gamer and then you have to do this play Jess guy for rank recovery period so that you play real opponents again, because like the last time I was I was on I was playing the did visit deck it wasn't going well. Right. Now I think is real point at the Mystic. I got driven down to percentage gamer status and I was like if this reported to 77 percent And he wondered how these people got some nesic. Let's just put it that way, right but their decks and their plays like this person does not have the wild cards, right? This is not their fault. Obviously, we don't have the cards. They're playing clearly just cards you would never choose if you had access to other cars and it became very questionable decisions. It's like well, I guess grinding does work sometimes right rank recovery is a great concept. Yeah. I mean how keys at the end of last month had it with what he called an emergency recovery stream on the last day because he randomly became Dansgame everyday to go I need to make sure you have C qw. I like I like recovery a lot. Yeah, that's great. And it should it mean when you choose your deck for Recovery at should also tell you a little bit about something about maybe what you should be playing when the stakes are high right like yes, and no right before the MC enrichment. I couldn't lose in the ladder with desk right? I think I peaked at number 20. Yeah, and like I was just reliably just winning match after match after match. I was just crushing it. Even the other players I was beating because they weren't playing properly. They know how to mow again, right? They didn't know what mattered they next five word. Probably the right cards out to bringing the mathematics of hate or they didn't have the massive amounts of hate, but I knew it wasn't real so I knew I was like kind of playing the wrong back. But I also knew that I didn't have the logistical support behind me to get ready to play the right back and I just hope it was good enough. I thought game once good. And with that the field is really good. So if we're gonna kill this good matchups. And there are 60 or 70 percent is game one. How about going to be? All right. I mean you have a draft. Yeah could be head but now you can try. So yeah, I did go ba. Not great metagame, but we're still early enough and enough Pros are trying to do their own thing. I think we'll see some what control I think we'll see some esper control. Probably not much Doom. I think people realize that Doom is not the right way to go. Right? I have some ideas for how to make the deck better. But again, I think it's just never been quite their proficiency. I think it's always been a tier 2 deck. That's a sort of good players who get there with a good bill before other people get good bills can shine bright red. I think we'll probably see like two copies but it was basically the first tune deck in the format that do the do for toltecs. Yeah, and those decks not often do well briefly and then like today on too long. I can't be able to go about it that deck. And nobody's picked up on it, but I'm stuck in this bit like playing. Where did you copy? That card is just wrong, right? So I think I think that it looks okay from a deck diversity perspective but like be surprising if a feature match doesn't go to time. Okay, like the clock timer blowing someone's head up not like to is much worse than like five extra turns right? I'm gonna actually losing losing to chess clock is what you're saying and I think there is a Great 50/50 chance that will not be this person's fault in the sense of this person was playing at a pace that is not normally acceptable. It'll be this person was slower than their opponent. And this game went that long, right and someone was going to lose this way. It'll be interesting to see we haven't really seen that we sought a little bit at the Mythic Invitational but it was artificially enforced, you know, I mean, it wasn't enforced by the Game, we didn't see people up but actually seeing people blow up. You will always see gains matches but a time yes, and then extra turn right because there's no clock on people. Yeah, and Magic naturally install matchups takes more than 50 minutes to complete if you're playing property of high stakes. Can you really tell players know you should both spontaneously cooperate and speed up the match rather than actually think through things. It's really hard. Yeah, when I was younger, it was easier. I have two drawers on my record in my comeback that were unintentional and I don't feel bad about either of them in terms of just like I don't think either of us with playing slowly. I don't blame my opponent. I don't blame myself right that much like the one at Richmond was just yeah this just took forever. We did all these operations and then eventually he couldn't quite tell me in time and the other one was at a Grand Prix. Like we were just taking for 3 minutes every turn because like the game was just it was one of these. Hey, you know swings back and forth and modern. It's just so perfect ridiculous example, I could tell you were going to run to time here because we got to get ready for a conference call and II haven't eaten on that. Okay, but just quickly before we go you can streaming tell people where they can find your stream if they want to follow you on random Tuesdays and Thursdays where you might be streaming My Stream is to be martial arts. Twitch.tv - see martial arts. I try to eat when I do that. So I'm the zvi on Twitter. So that's where I post my decklists. Yeah, it's been a lot of really good necklace on the Twitter account. If you are not following it and then also you've been doing a little writing again. Yeah, I don your blog. I have an article. I have my Vlog which is he has its feet at wordpress.com. But I also the wind post up there to have log of cool stuff Inc. The cool stuff is a great store pick your board games. I've got my board games there for years and Evan. When there has been a friend for a while a magic show. Oh, yeah offered to put up my article on Cavaliers. So it's hosted there and I hope to write more right eventually your long cats post might end up there. Yeah, we have to see how the I haven't checked in with having to see how it did and whether or not we can make the bunny the money side of it work because like everyone's been hit hard by what's happening to standard. So if the demand for Content the ability to support content is tough. So it's a rough time to be trying to get back into right end. So but I mean look if something we posted within a week to my personal blog or to cool stuff one way or another. Okay, it's already like 5,000 words long and it's not done. So it's gonna get posted. I can't wait. So yeah, I mean, we're just not going to do it's just we're not going to put it up. I fires anymore, right? We're gonna post this giant thing and it's gonna I did I did link to your Cavaliers article as my fires party. I believe my You know that Evan was we're going to call this. My fire is party is negotiable sure not to but I considered it speaking of it. You can always find me at top eight games on Twitter not streaming yet, but who knows that might change as well in the coming months. Thanks for listening. Everybody has been topic magic will be back next week. I will have the whole team and we're gonna do a little preview show for Mythic Championship seven. We're going to go over all of that class. So I like we've been doing for the last couple of events. So hope you enjoy it and talk to you. Soon. Bye.

BDM and Zvi look ahead to Mythic Championship VII and see where the Hall of Famer feels Standard is poised after three major events in pretty rapid succession -- not even accounting for the Twitch Rivals event where Zvi went 6-0 on Day One with his Jeskai Cavaliers deck. Other topics include: Zvi's crazy brew that combines Fires of Invention, Cat Food, and Niv-Mizzet Reborn into one deck that has a little something for everyone to hate on. His other version of Cat Food that uses Emry, Lurker of the Loch and -- why not? -- Vantress Gargoyle. While the metagame of Mythic Championship VI may not have been the most inspiring, it was some of the best played games either of the pair can recall in quite some time. After his 14th Top 8 finish where does Paulo Vitor Damo da Rosa rank in the all time Magic pick order? With Veil of Summer banned, how the hell are you supposed to fight the recently unlocked Casualties of War from decimating your side of the table? Where are the aggro decks? Zvi has been streaming and guess what? He really likes it. You should follow him at twitch.tv/zvimowshowitz if you want more crazy decklists like the ones discussed here. You can also follow him at @thezvi on Twitter (and if you don't already follow BDM he can be found talking about food, Magic, nonsense, and probably some more food at @top8games on that infernal website).

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So we were all excited to go and my wife when she has a big plans likes to allow the preparation for those plans cause her and unimaginable amount of stress and get she's really tense and we get in a lot of fights like right before we're going out somewhere perfect rights because she likes to get prep and to just worried about everything being perfect and it's nothing like going out on a date night arguing. Yes already. Just something I should say. Is there another way to go out a day. My son asked me. Last night he's like well, you know said something about it and I started to explain him that when Mommy has something exciting to do she gets really stressed up. I don't know that she appreciate me saying that anyway, so we went out or we were planning to go out but for a couple weeks we couldn't find a babysitter. So we finally found a babysitter and says young teenage girl who comes over and she literally walks into like the like like it's like being in a sitcom of walking into a house where like the kids are animals and it never happens, but they're shrieking at each other like the top of their lungs the throwing fits. Detective much of slams the door at one point. This is all like right over the babysitter walks in she just walks into this Maelstrom of this shit and I'm in the other room and I'm just like, oh my God, what is even happening? They're arguing over these toys called Magna tiles, which I think you may have even given us these for one of their birthdays. So my toddler recently discovered them and they've been we've had them for years at least five years. My eight-year-old wants nothing to do with them until all of a sudden he sees my toddler has a lizard and there they become his again. Oh, yeah. Well, those are - those are mine. Yeah shit about them. I did all two years all him. Yeah, and it's just like there are literally at each other's throats. It was like world war three this poor girl comes in who's like 15 dealing with the she'll think she would I don't know how old she was. Yes, probably responsible to leave her treasure my children, but it turned out. Okay Lisa probably got a good hourly rate out of that thing. Yeah. Well, that's the whole point. Right? I'll give him she forgets. I'm not really concerned. The kids are alive when I get home. Yeah money well-spent great, right if they're not I probably should pay a little bit extra should have more kids, you know hindsight's 20/20 totally. So that was my story about my kids screaming overt why neither of them care? About I love it. I can relate that. Everybody can relate some shit that's happened so much. It just Legos in my household by older daughter who's couldn't give a shit about. Yeah, my eight-year-old starts playing a daughter starts playing all I go son. Give me back my leg. Oh, that's my gut. That's that's my guy and then you know, you know screaming and fighting he's gonna break it as a my kid yells. So this morning I'm looking under the bed. I'm trying to find my flip-flops because it's a nice and warmish spring Ash. So I'm wearing my rainbow sandals, which I'm a big fan of rainbows the best sandals money can buy. Yeah, especially where are your city? Okay, let's get into this weird prude wear sandals in the cities. It's not the most disgusting thing. You can do. I can name a thousand more to discuss think okay licking the the pavement one. Nope. Yep. Still Santa's still saying anyway, I was looking for them under the bed and I found like a foam thing from a Spider-Man toy. That might to my three-year-old has had the toy, but without any of the projectiles because we didn't know any of them were but I find that thing and I'm like, oh hey am I gonna Hammer? What is here you go. Am IA Hero season immediately wants the fucking thing. You haven't given a shit about that. Damn toy in five years you son of a bitch. Yes, and there it is. And then good thing is a projectile because I'm sure that would put two really productive. Oh, yes obviously projectiles are always good to have in the hands of children, but see this is the kind of stuff now that I'm unemployed and I'm home a lot. This is the kind of stuff that I deal with a lot more. My son gets home from school at 3:30. His brother wakes up around the same time from his afternoon nap, which those three two or three hours of that nap. It's like heaven on Earth. Oh, wow. It's amazing. I was in a purple job hunting still. Yeah, but I think that's going away soon. But I just job hunt during those three hours, or maybe I watch the I've almost finished the Umbrella Academy of one episode though. Yeah. Yeah, but of a shocking event in the previous episode, I did not anticipate, but we'll see how they get around. that anyway so Seeing that kind of shit being around and my wife loves to rub it in my face I go I deal with this every day, but every bit the black why I'm a working parent usually in this is why I prefer it. Yeah, right except. It's also not why I prefer it. Let me tell you. Okay gonna get into it. Okay, right, so And a lot of people agree with me because I posed this question on Instagram. Are you a working parent? What are the pros and cons and the first pro? I got Sergeant die set. I love being able to get away for a while. Yeah, right and a lot of people refer to it as a break and I've even written about this like the Escape one dude said Steve roach said I get to leave if they're being jerks in the morning, which is a huge perk right now that I'm home. I don't get to leave when they're around. I'm in it all the time, but the flip side of that coin is All you get when you're working parent is the shitty stuff, right? We've talked before about the morning routine trying to get the kids out to school and time sucks. That's you get home and it's like homework dinner, but get them to bed like none of the fun shit. So so being at home gives me some of that fun stuff, but I don't have the break anymore does it's a weird balance, right? But I definitely prefer working. I don't know about you. Yeah. I know. Let's have you ever been State homer. I'm interested. What is this fun stuff? You're talking about Justine. No bonding moments. Okay. Yeah, but what's a while okay, you never had that. I know I'm gonna see she's procedures but I am working and I it is often in my household referred to as a break. Yeah. Well I see this is the flip side, uh, you know, not break. It's a job. It's a job and especially if it's like a psychological warfare that you wage every day in the sounds like a fun job, but where do you work Thunderdome? No, no Thunderdome 3. Oh, yeah. Thunder Dawn Thunder Mad Max 3 it's ya know, it's not exactly the easiest thing in the world to then, you know to go to work and then come home and then obviously when you're home, you're immediately on yes, it's you know, it's your turn to take over. Yeah exactly because of you haven't dealt with that all day, but you've been dealing with a boss that's underlings. And I always say it, you know, it's you know, my wife just is with the kids all day and I'm not saying that that's not hard. I don't know. We're just saying it was hard. No. No, that's a job in and of itself. So even the title is working parents were all working ever guys working Parenthood takes a lot of work. It's challenge. That's whether you work in a job or whether you're a homemaker man. They still call him at home acres is really well covering our asses on this TV out here to make sure I got a lot of friends in the community the state home Community. I was a stay-at-home dad. I hated it. I hated it. I know I so boring. I really do mean it. I mean, obviously it takes so much effort. I do feel like one. Being and tell me if you agree with this, but I will not let you know staying home is much more physical but versus Afternoon Delight know physically draining versus sure. Oh, yeah. Okay being at work and being mentally drained. I know that it sounds like you know, I don't know exactly one is better than the other but it's our rather. They're both equally tough. Yeah life is in fucking hellhole. Yeah matter when you're running late, you know, my wife runs. Yo has minutes between pickups on what? Yeah, it's true. Awful and but then there's that that's like the physical aspect of like physically trying to get somewhere where you're getting mental stress at work. Yeah, how badly are you gonna get fired? And when are you going but how does it work? Well, yeah, all that shit. Welcome to my world. Oh wait, I don't have a world because I'm unemployed. Right? Well what I wouldn't give to be worried about getting fired you and sensitive and friend. Trust me Mike. You'll have your chance again. Yeah. I know. I will. Yeah that sort of Damocles swinging over my head again. Exactly member member the months leading. Up. Yeah, that deserves breasts. Yeah, it's horrible. So but but I do so I'm at home and I get to see all the squabbles that my wife usually deals with on her own and believe me. She doesn't want me home because I'm a fucking Powder Keg right? I'm yelling all the time right at the kids because they're so loud. Yeah. Oh my God the sound. I don't want to be home and I can't go to the bar because we can't afford it and rilke holism. I try and schedule meetings at 6:30 in the morning and nobody just getting the hell out. Sorry. I gotta go. Sorry. Gotta go get it. Well, it's good excuse. Somebody said that to it's a good excuse like oh sorry can't do that. I have work. Yeah. Sorry honey. I have to go to work. But I forgot I was gonna say yeah. Well listen, you can use it the it happens. The other side is true, too. When you have work things that you absolutely definitely don't want to go to. Yeah, you can use kids with depends on where you work. But yeah, I had a really killer away with your mother. No. No, ma'am. I have the kids. This is where the kids are. Yeah, you have to be careful about if you tell your bosses too much because you want to be able to lean on your kids to get them out of there because I saw an Instagram your kids were you know up at the lake or something but like a lot of people say this married Baby in baby on I don't know how to pronounce that Mary forgive me says it feels like a vacation when she goes in the office which is you know, the opposite of how you feel for her. It's a vacation. Yes, hell isn't is a never-ending night terror. Yes right for you. You hate both home and work. Yeah, it's good. I doubled never have any Escape. I like to double down on Black Velvet stitches makes a good point that she's a better parent when she works outside of the home, which sure my tank is I got more left in the tank. Yes when it comes to dealing with the kids. Because they have been grinding on my nerves all day long, right, but now when I'm home all the time and they're arguing over Magna tiles, it's a lot easier to get full up on that bullshit. Well, but don't are both took. Both. Our kids are in school, right? Yeah. Well once in daycare three times a week the other one is so all that even in pre-k next year because when he was born, it's so annoying Day Care is expensive man. Yeah, that's another thing somebody mentioned about one of the cons of being a working parent is how expensive Della MF she said expensive-ass daycare, which is fucking true. And that's the challenge. So my wife and I one of things you have to weigh is are you both going to work for my wife to work? We have to make sure she makes enough to cover the cost of daycare and then some or else and Footers. And yes, it's you have to make some substantial amount. So manbo 1 2 3 11. I don't know why I didn't just say 1 2 3 1 1 I'm not no idea. This is dealing with sick days or a pain which is a huge fan right like you worker. Are you both work and you have to like stay home that deal with the kids and some your whole life change of the schedule is really yeah, it's really arrange and and mama bear has to go to a fair amount of doctor's appointment. So a lot of times I'll stay home and work from home, right which is an absolute nightmare working from home is got to be the worst combination of everything if I don't think anybody who has children should ever work from Super Tressa says, she just started a business from home. So it's the best of both worlds. I don't know if she was being sarcastic meaning that she gets the bullshit of Both Worlds or if she was being sincere. Because when I work from home, I can't get anything done. The kids are all over the place the doors constantly opening. Yeah, it's like crying my leg. Oh, you know, I like it very much. Although I have heard. I have a friend who says that they prefer to work from home because otherwise they're pulled into so many meetings. They can't actually get any work done. I used to like to work from home. I used two men had kids and then Yep. They're the kids and then it was nope. I don't I can't Get settled in at home, but I don't mind like once a week or whatever sure and and I means I can like stay in my PJs for a long time not employed. I stand my PJs fucking hours and hours, which is they say you shouldn't do yeah, fuck em, you know, but complacency entropy. Yeah. They write a trophy act Rafi. That's not nice. But then C so funky fee says the same thing that I said where the time when you do work and you get home. Even though you may get a break outside of the office and get home. It's not quality time, right you're dealing with get is a brush their teeth. Well then get to bed and you're just sick of it in the morning trying to get the kid out to not miss the school bus has an absolute nightmare every yeah, that's definitely my scene II do mornings get them off to New Year. You give your son his three breakfasts give them three breakfasts like Paul Bunyan this kid. He's like Sam from Lord of the Rings second breath second breakfast and then get them off to school. And then or get them packed and ready for school my wife take some actually to school. No, but then when I come home, yes bad homework dinner. Are you the homework person? Definitely a hundred percent you good at it math Common Core. I'm another episode. I'm okay. I'm okay with it depends on who I'm working with you're good with like your five year olds homework and not so much with in eleven-year-old. I'm really good at like Capital Jays. Yeah, just not so good at anything else Legion. Yeah. Or math, but that's the thing like helping them with homework very often devolves into like a battle of wills. We are trying to get the kid to do something. They don't want to do we covered that on bad time right where it's like everything just you're so tired. Yes, and you see the light at the end of the tunnel and you just can't get there and and the kids just don't want to go and so and you know, ultimately it's about nine o'clock when time is starting to free up. At least in my household where I'm able to like start having dinner lacks. You have dinner at 9:00. What do you have would you would you have on Wednesday? I think I made a some sort of steak. So it's funny Jesus Christ some sort of steak Yeah, it's just tossing that off the center one percent. Are you are so it's funny. You said that it all kind of Blends together Platinum with two T's who said that they love what they're stay-at-home Dad or Mom? I didn't look at the photo. I'm sorry Platinum. I don't remember says they love the time with the kids, but they hate the Groundhog Day effect were kind of every day is the same right what's gonna happen at work too? But not as much just the routine the deadening routine of keeping your children alive and occupied. It's one of the things I fucking hated about being a stay-at-home Dad. I'm not good at the planning I get up. I stay in my PJs the kid gets Thomas or whatever. He was watching back then because he was like two and a half for to to like three and a half when I did. It my wife will like plan activities. And so your wife I've seen her Instagram plan activities museums crafts all this shit. I do that to a ground. I don't do that. I'm terrible at it. Well, I hate it. My kids won't be just sticks just nip not be alive if we're not out of the house by tell ya right side. My wife says the same thing. I'll have a full-on meltdown with like to take people out and their likes and they get cooped up and stir crazy right now. I'm always growing by nine o'clock. I mom and Barry Packed and I'm out the door. We'll go to the playground. We're going to a museum. We're going somewhere. Yeah, I hate that shit. Well, you got can't be lazy. That's what I hate about one of the things I hate about parenting. You can't be fucking lazy because it's bad for your dumb kids. Well, it's you know what? I want to lie on the couch and do nothing General and watch Infinity War. Yeah, but I like Tiffany was just not gonna happen and the problem is is the more you want to just relax the less. They say it's going to hit like dogs who smell fear. Yeah. Yeah. I know. All right. So annoy the shit I go the other way. I'm like, let's fucking do this. We're going to go to the museum that we're gonna go over here. Then we're gonna do this at a tire mount that doesn't work. It does eventually nope. Nope, and then I start bedtime at like 3:30. Just like start getting the bat like I we just do bath first happy hour 3:30. Yeah, me too. But I do like will do bath time for like an hour get into dinner in five. So now that the weather is getting nicer. Yeah, like the pressure my wife gives me unlike we gotta get my wife always thinks every sunny day is the last sunny day. There'll ever be it's nice out. We have to go do shit. I'm like, it's fucking may there's going to be like 65 more of these days. That's everybody. Chill. All right. Yeah, I think we will pleasure so A lot of people agree with me. He only get the dregs. Somebody said they prefer being home because life flows easier. Yeah, that really no that's Keys Mom. That's weird. Whose mom Keys mom understand. I don't know what she means. I think she just maybe just more comfortable at home. I don't know. Well less stress for her good for her. Well, how about the since you had a wife who was at home and I have a wife my previous wife him. Yes, of course your current wife your wife number one for you current wife exactly that's bodes. Well for her, that's my current wife. That's how I introduce my wife to have your temporary. Um before I can sleep on the couch for the next four months and then so there's definitely a Vibe of okay. Enjoy your day off from the way. I wish I was I wish I could just sit in front of the computer. It's how it's all yeah described. If only if only I had that luxury you imagine just like sitting in front of it like just just sitting there sitting you're taking it completely literally she would prefer that than to pull that side. I believe that's actually what but it's just it just gets deadening no matter what you're doing and having the break as nice dragon mother says there is zero perks being a working parent. The stress level is constantly 100, which what you were saying, you're stressed at work you get home. It's just about the kids you're stressed about your wife because she thinks that you've been fucking gallivanting around at work. Yeah. Oh she calls it work drinks any time. I have an event. Yeah go or meetings an obligation for you. You don't love it. I have been some most of the times it's well, that's not true by your third beer. Yeah. Salt well most of the time it's if anyone mentions the word going to drinks after work. I'm I'm here in here. It doesn't matter who it's with only except during your break. You haven't started drinking again yet. Have you? No not yet, but I will soon great. Thanks. Thank you very much. Well, thanks. There's no visible. Whenever you're trying to accomplish is not work. It's failed. But no, I will the the just you know, trying to get out trying to like Avoid the Bedtime situation is yeah. So we've talked about this before where like if you were going out after work, if you're not going to be home to help with bedtime then stay out longer because your wife wants the benefit of the kids being down in her having a couple hours latest thing because that's what a lot of I've Been Told don't come home before 9:00. So if you're gonna go out, don't you bring your ass home and like right when I put everyone? Yeah, you know, I'm about to like and then it's like weird compact. We're like she just put on a movie. She was watching you don't want to Watch and it's like just you want you around in the room. You gotta go somewhere else and do some shit. So hey, shh. Heh Gia no idea if that's if that's correct pronunciation. So she likes being her own boss as like a stay-at-home mom, but she wants a fucking hot meal alone. Right like her kids are always around and somebody said the same thing K Walker 90 said the pro is that when you work from when you're a stay-at-home mom, you're always with them. The con is that you're always with them right? Your kids are always there which Is again you little bit isolated you're at home you maybe you're running errands, but you're not like interacting with adults as much which is why I play dates and wind dates and book club and stuff that start to come in. It's a but I mean the people that I interact with when I had jobs were not necessarily friends. No, no sure I get to interact with adults but not they're not like adults NSL. I always want to interact with yeah. One thing that I haven't seen I don't want to wreck with anyone adults are child or otherwise. Yeah. I'm sure the feeling is mutual. So The one thing I haven't seen here is working moms, you know coming back after you know after having a kid getting back into work like yeah is and I can only speak from you know, your lack of experience a lack of experience, but just seeing it it's really stressful and it's moms are expected to yeah, I work with they don't have kids and have kids like they don't work. Yeah, I think that's something like that. It's really I think that's a pillow the tunnels below situation. Oh my God, you're still talking I am. I'm still talking but you've never been a stay-at-home who's had to re-enter the workforce and have to deal with all that know. I know up here not all I'm saying. I'm acknowledge. I'm acknowledging it as something because I think that's a real that's it's really shitty. It's a stressful spot to be in because you're feeling about not what I from what I understand. You're filled with hormones still you're still going through but like we got a breast pump at work and breast pump an issue on this day and age and then you're feeling stressed about not being with the kids. Yeah. Well sort of You're feeling you might feel. Okay good about that. You're back in your career. Not sure. Yeah, but it's there's always trade-offs. Ew Bullard I think is a guy said they're both working. The money is good, but there's absence guilt which I suppose for a mom who was on maternity leave and like breastfeeding and doing all the bonding shit that must be tough and it's not to say that there aren't dads out there who are stay at home dads and they're doing some breastfeeding like to no avail, but it maybe it's a little fun, but they're into it, you know. Yeah, right, you know don't knock on whatever floats your boat. Yeah, but people do say Like Jenny Ginger says she's feeling I see feeling isolated sucks. And this is one of the reasons there's so many mom bloggers right and like moms on Instagram because a lot of them are at home and they start to form communities online and they start reading my blog and hopefully subscribing to my podcast and give me money on patreon. That's what they do right to have connection. Yeah that they don't necessarily have with other adults, right? They go on my Instagram and they share all my shit. I don't I yeah, it's a great solution, right? It will help you feel more connected to the mom and dad blog community. No solution. Wow, it is not the final status. Final solution is paying us to keep Pete's mouth shut. Yeah. There we go. God damn it. Yeah, really brought us down. I rent really this is a real fucking deep. Well did not think we were gonna next week the Holocaust. Yeah. Well, I mean, come on we gotta keep it alive. Let's keep if we're going to do something like that. We gotta remember we should talk about something like abducted in plain sight and those other movies those true-crime things there. Very entertaining they are entertaining. I mean, they're also incredibly horrific. Yes. It's like no more now with all this. Of course we do is I like crime is necessarily going up. We just hear about every single fucking exactly every single little crime. They say that our brains aren't wired to take in so much information from so many different sources at once. Yeah, but you know, who knows? I don't know how my brains wired. I'm not a scientist. Well, I'll just also add that being working dad has definitely has Acted in the workplace. So being a dad that's that, you know, go that doesn't coach that has to go home. Hey, that's the kind of take timeout has death babysitter's kids. That's definitely an impact you babysit your kids. I don't babysit a parent my kids fucking fucking a right man. You passed the test dad's don't babysit their parent make those they knows what's up? Yeah. That's right, baby says, he's a fucking mr. Maugham type but he doesn't have kids so it's not offensive. Yeah, but I think just to finish out like I do think that there's there is impact to working dad's you mean like benefits like, you know, no impact so meaning, you know, not not like not nowhere near the impact of keep saying impact said again, in fact fucking dare you okay of you know a mom going back to work but you know dads that are really involved and want to be involved. Yes, there's impact that they want it all to No, we want it all to Dad's. Yeah, but want to bring home the bacon and we want to have bonding time with our baby's not snotty. Right? It's none of it's easy. You know what none of this parenting stuff is easy now workings not easy in this day and age. No, I mean your blog the me to World unless you're like just an Instagram person who just post means all the in mocking me. No, I'm saying that I wish that was my fuck. I wish I got paid for that shadow, right? I know that's the goal, right? That is the goal. Yeah to make enough money off of off of talking to you. You that I don't have to talk to anyone else except my wife and children. Unfortunately, cool. Well, I think we gotta do we have anything else probably. Oh, look at this. What statista farbs Stasia Stasia Stasia Farms? All right. Yeah, so stay at home mom the lack of appreciation you get yeah. You never get a raise. Yeah from this is kids. Home parent. This is a central theme if we got to bring home flowers every once in a while, but ya know a hundred. Well also just the kids the kids don't know how hard you work. No, no, but the kids never will they don't know what you do either in general. Yeah. I know. I keep telling them. I keep showing them my Excel docs that I put yeah, don't you understand? This is what I did. I found it over time and it's growing have you done stuff Take Your Kids To Work Day. I thought your children in at a couple of my the make you nervous companies that I've worked for like. Like when they're younger, right so like bring your kid in like I was this kid going to fucking throw some kind of fit in front of my boss or you know, like the four-year-old. I don't know if I've been nervous in that way. It's been more like I don't know if ya just I'd this is this works. I just get the fucking so well-behaved. My printed out the job of mat Now isn't a good place for kids. Well, though, Abs are you know about that once what they organize activities they all go in a room and draw or like watch Frozen. Oh, that's the thing. They don't organize any activity. Well, it depends on where you work. Yeah, exactly, but I don't like bringing my kids to work. I don't need those two words. Have you ever done I once and you just hated while we were away for a lot of times. I don't know it like for some reason I company used to do it at a different time than everyone else weird. Like there's National keep. Yes. I know so they wouldn't do it. Then they would do it a different time annoying but often we would be away so it wouldn't happen and then I did it. Once and it was fine, but like it's kind of cute that my kids are getting bored. Right and but you get to leave early because it ends early. Yeah, you can just go home and come back. But yeah, it was like once I get on that Subway, you know, seeing me till fucking next sunrise it all depends on on Earth the company's organized it well or not, but you can't take your kid to work day if you if you if you're a stay-at-home mom. Yeah. Well every day is exactly it's a nightmare. They're your boss all day fucking long. And guess what? That's why they invented you're not Promotion and less money for same man and said man, that was the levels of different podcast der Sandman. Yeah. Alright. Okay, so that's I think we crushed it. If there's anything we missed you can comment on it on the episode itself on YouTube. You can listen to it on iTunes and Spotify and Stitcher and everywhere else. Get your podcast. You can subscribe on Patron on patreon and anchor and give us some funds to help us get better at this ya got. Knows God knows one of us at least one of us needs it. Probably just one of us. I'm talking about you you suck at this good good times and I will be back. I think we're gonna be on we're gonna have some spring break stories. I think to share. Yeah eventually coming up. Yeah. Can't wait. See you next time.

Who has it easier working parents or the stay at home ones? What a wonderful question. These are the wonderful kind of riddles or games we play as parents. They're great because there are no winners just losers. Losers who are now in a huge fight. In this episode Mike and Pete aren't afraid to fight with each other, even though they're both on the same side (such a wonderful game). They take on the pros and cons of being a working parent vs being a stay at home one and we hear from the Dad and Buried parents to have a lot to say on the matter. ------------ Moms and Dads, WE NEED YOU! This show and these dank memes won't feed our families (we've tried). We need your support to keep this up. We love making this stuff for you guys and we're putting this out there so see if we can make the switch so that this can be more than a hobby 🙏 (that our families hate).

Welcome back or welcome to the humans of triathlon or hot podcast where we bring you the ordinary but extraordinary world of triathlon one human one story at a time with the aim to inspire and to celebrate this life-changing Sport and it's humans to real authentic raw and enjoyable conversations with humans of triathlon from around the globe and from all walks of life.Welcome to today's episode of humans of triathlon brought to you by Charles hunk in the UK our creator. Swapnil show Han from Australia who unfortunately cannot be with us today and me geometry 11 currently at Iron Man trombe wall in Quebec Canada. We have an incredible show for you today. So sit back grab your snacks or turn up the volume on your car radio. We have an inspiring guest take it away Charles.Alright. So today we have a very special gift. She is a you can say recent trap on convert and to give you a little hint of what's to come. 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I'm a wife and I love in South Africa in a province called Urban which is in a jaded and I enjoy the triathlon field a little bit about me. I started off as a runner and from running. I actually used to do the Saturday parkrun and there was an event taking place the same day as the Pretty confident and we have to like sort of like Shuffle around to do a different starting point. So I went over to the event organizers and ask them their bodies all those you're going on and they said no they hosting a try exit and I didn't think too much of it for me. I didn't know what it was. And not long after that my husband was watching a documentary on TV and he called me and he said to me come and have a look at this and I said what what is it? He said look at these people here isn't a zit in they basically doing the thing folding. I in there it will just swim and how they about to cycle and how they treat you run not like what I'm like, how how is that possible? Like what kind of like endurance do you need to have to do all of that? When I sort of like put all of this together and I go to just give me until I click. No, you know what II need to know more about it. So coming back to these people that was hosting this try and learn on the same day as the parkrun. It's sort of like came up like quite often and I went and I hear a look at it and I thought that they offered a running option only. So I entered for it and after I did the run I settle down and I watched these people coming out from the ocean and now they're getting onto their bikes a shuffling and changing because of the the wasn't a transitioned into everything was open and the changing and they all like to know getting onto their bikes and then they like coming back and people are running so it's not like people all over and I needed to find out more like what is going on you just sort of Get this moving. You know that I won this I need to know how do you do this? And what you need to do? I went to one of the organizers and I said, you know, what is everyone doing here? So they said no we offer all these different categories. So there's a mini Triathlon is a Sprint Triathlon. And then there's the bigger distance which is the challenge distance which sort of most people will know as your Olympic distance. And this is the you should try it and you know, just as a beginner try them anyway. One and see how you do at the time. I didn't have a bike. I want them too much into swimming and that and I said, okay. Well, I'm going to try I went and bought me a secondhand mountain bike, which was really I didn't know no one told me anything about what you need to do in the tree has been filled. So I just went to the mountain bike and you know started swimming. I didn't swim in a 25 meter length pool. I swim in an indoor heated kiddies pool. So for me, I was I was thinking you know what I'm doing something like I'm like, you know, this is my training now two words a triathlon and couple of months down the line This Again came up to the hosted it like quite often. It's for the people to get into the whole triangle infield and I woke up one morning. I just grabbed my mountain bike swimming cap goggle towel. My khakis. I mean, I didn't have kids and all of that at the time and I just went for it. It was a hundred meters worm a five kilometer bike. Like and a 2.5 kilometres right? I know it doesn't seem like much but that's the one I said, you know what let's start off small. Let's not be too ambitious and go for the bigger one. I had promised you it did something to me. I was like, I can't believe how difficult it was, you know sort of like from the swimming in going into the ocean. So the swim 400 meters if anyone would know you basically yourself so we were just swimming through the waves and ways and we were getting nothing crash. I love my God so that I can get out and you know, it was like a washing machine sort of like feeling but I was just loving it for me. I had no thought on fear or you know time or anything like that. In fact, I didn't even have a proper chiasmus watch at the time. And then the next thing I knew we were all on our bike to we did the circuit loop again back and being a runner. I thought oh yours might charge, you know 2.5 k run. I'm going to like, you know get a A good time now on my run but if you're so hard and I was like, why was it so hard? I had no idea of this brick pick feeling, you know from a pipe to a run and I was like, no I need to get better data that I need to do more of this. So those CI happened roundabout in 2015, and I sort of had it on my cards or something that I really wanted to go into at the time. If you've read my story you would know that I come up from a background of fighting depression. Now what kind of you on medication and being a runner in the ultra medicine field? We have something in South Africa called your comedies running event. And your comedies medicine is basically an 89 to 90 kilometer run and that was where I had my Mind Set On You know, I'm going to be myself off this medication. I fought this battle with depression and I need to know that I am physically mentally a stronger. So I took two training for this medicine and that was really my goal was and you basically running medicines and you're running 21 kilometers and Ultra of medicines and I both up to it and I completed the 90 kilometer run and that was a magnificent achievement to me physically and mentally, but after that I was like, okay now, what do I do? You know, I conquered one of the biggest events within South Africa and now I need more And you know, I look into the science field and I was like, okay, we don't have a lot of the Iron Age event. We're in South Africa. So I started looking for whichever other organizers were, you know, hosting events and then I came across the 5150 Ironman Olympic distance and I told my husband, you know, what look at this event. And we said it's exactly the same tag is our anniversary. It depicts. Let's create our self in its juices 5150 is a treat for both of us, you know, an anniversary present research started laughing and he said okay, you know what? Let's just let's go. Let's try into it. I we trained we went we cooked it was in a different problem that we booked a holiday accommodation and every time I did was still alive and he came so he knew he got the daughter of wood into sport, but he's never ever seen me. I participated in it. Then this was his first time to see me do an event and I mean out of all events. He saw be swimming it will be cycling. He saw me running. It was like so magnificent for him to watch this his daughter doing all of this a couple of months later my dad passed away. So I held on to this event. It's my first and only event that my dad was dead. So it holds like a special place to me in fact Until today, this event is taking place is infallible are in the Johannesburg area and I'm having all these foam or you know, like moments of like the whole event and the swim and cycle was an elevation like just you know, it just continued and it's a very altitude kind of place. So I'm I love in the coast. So when we travel up to altitude areas, it's like more difficult for the breathing and that but I conquered yet. I did it and it was just Just the biggest achievement. So now you're sitting with okay, you've done those Olympic distance, which was a 1.5 Case 140k by and a 10 kilometer run but you want war and I'm like I want the big one. I didn't even look at the 70.3. I had my eyes set on the big full Ironman distance. But with the thing you have to have it in moderation. You need to build up. I'm a runner. So for me cycling was like, ah, let's get on the bike and we like Pretty looking socks and look all trendy. So I didn't know I didn't know what for me, you know cycling was just never happy co5. So I had to learn how to build up in Japan into cycling and doing whatever and from day. I had this whole list of all these events I wanted to achieve so there was a specific Ultra medicine that hosted with in Cape Town, which is cool. The two oceans medicine is one of the most beautiful medicines to do in the world. It could recognize is that and I said, you know, what did we first achieve this thing here and then I'll go and do a 70.3 try under and I went on and I achieve this trifling and it started building up. I picked up an injury within a running. So it was a major setback, but I said, you know, what if running is not going to be there the moment let's let's go into something else. Um, I looked at everything within the triathlon field and I said, okay my hiking needs to get up to scratch as well as my swimming in the in the ocean. There's obviously that fear of swimming in the ocean, you know the serve and coming out of the surf we sort of have very snarks that at all. You know, what I'll actually tell you the story about all of that but my biggest fear of swimming in the ocean is actually the wave I used to get overwhelmed by this huge thing coming over me and I just used to freeze. That was what my fear was. So I said, you know what I need to get over this fear. I found a group of friends and we all got into this together. We found the guy and I don't know what it was that he did. He got this fear out of us. In fact, most triathletes start off with him and it's something that he gives you that it's just the confidence. It came to such a point. We used to something to travel 21 cases. To get to this group to swim with them. So, you know, I mean you like think to yourself W driving 21 case just a green worm like two kilometers in the ocean and then driving back to any one case, you know, because it is to be like so funny for me and often age to be late. So I used to find myself swimming alone in the ocean. But now I had to think we I can't run and there's enough for swimming Came Upon me it became such a thing way. I found myself actually. He's swimming alone. And for me, it was the most beautiful feeling to be in the Majestic Ocean or by myself and people thought I was crazy but I don't know why I just had no fear. Yes, they were things in the water. But we are we have shark net where we do sperm. But obviously you would have your reef sharks and we way we are designated to swim they use a reef. So you have your days and you have a whole lot of other Marine thing. But we don't need to feel with them and we've never had incidents with them traveling us. And yeah, they are there. You see the Sharks you see, you know it my mother's going to years of podcast you going to start freaking out but you know that your daughter swimming alone in a shark-infested Waters. Yeah, so I used to just go and swim alone and I just didn't have that fear and I just enjoyed this moment and we have within our summer. So beautiful because you have this welcoming with dolphins. I actually got to swim into a pod of dolphins and I thought to myself if I didn't take this chance of finding this natural swimming and leaving my running one side. I wouldn't have had this opportunity. So that's how I built up into the swim. And from there this year. I went into the 70.3 distance and we had one of the worst swimming conditions that day the swells took us over. So far out that the lifeguards actually told us that we swim over the shark Nets. So we had to be redirected back back to the vector the shore and you notice I'm still new ish at the at the whole swimming thing, but I've learned that if you have someone who knows they pacing and how to swim straight and if you follow them you going to go, you know, you won't go wrong. It wasn't about the time. It was just about having someone, you know, sort of direct you through the ocean, but the swell He was so terrible. I will boys were moved that we are one point nine kilometers work for me turned into 2.5. So most of the time was sort of like wasted and when I came out of the surf like I sort of got into a panic and then telling the Lifeguard I can't get out and I actually was like fearful and it's telling me you know, what just put your feet down and I put my feet down and not like, oh the ground is right here and he but the waves were so high. I just like sort of like broke into fear. So anyway, I got out of that. And onto the bike leg and I suppose we had happened to a lot of people or maybe it was just my last day. I just decided to leave my bike tubes and all my bike here at home and I had a puncture and I had a whole lot of glass stuck within my chain and I'm cycling on the 90k root and I can hear my tire is off and I'm like, I don't want to look and I'm just continuing but obviously, you know that something is wrong and my husband. That is the event at the day on the same day. And I said, you know why I can't call him now. I have no idea where on the road he eat. I didn't have the heart to stop other cyclists for help because you know, it's sort of like flashing into daytime and I just stood there and I cried and I was gutted. I mean any cycler any triathlete would know your first, you know, if they give are doing and I said, I you know, I just pull yourself together and just wait for you know, the event organizers to come with the assistant vehicle and You know just continued, you know, just just move along. So I decided to go back to the event. I was quite far out and I rode with the Splat all the way back to where the starting of this event was and along comes my husband and he's like what what happened to you and I just poured my heart out and I was crying and it's like no no just calm down and he told you it's not your fault. It is Ukraine you both are for this but you were dependent on a bike and it was the bike that sort of let you down not A self you have to you have to get up that like something to boost me up. What does event be organized other the marshals and you know, the guys sort of like keeping track with everything happening on the event. They approached us in the guy advisees is you know, what you're going to fix up your bike and you're going to continue on the cycle. A lot of your time has gone already and you're going to end up being cut off and he told me he says we will accommodate you just go back to the do your transition. Get yourself ready for your run. This is never mind. You didn't complete your full 90k and just go into your life. And I said, okay, you know what? It's long as I'm not going to have did not finish or you know at the qualifying and that's it. I said he's accommodating me in this way and I went back and I had one of the most beautiful 21 kilometer than you know, my time was good. My pacing was good and that sort of like just covered up for everything that happened. With the bike really nice and I just I I just took the whole experience and I said, you know that this was your first 70.3 that you do you doing and it didn't go as you planned, but I know that I have this mindset where I will go back into another one and I will I will come out stronger. I we have something in South Africa for the minimum mile, which is a mile swim across the stem. And the first time that I attempted it I I didn't I didn't complete it. I had the guys take me out at one point three kilometers. So I was right the I could see the finish line that I didn't have the strength to finish it. I was I was just fatigued and your mind is telling you but this the Finish Line you can't do it. You can't go but your body didn't have anything in it to you know, sort of push you and I said to myself I said day and I said, you know what you will come back stronger. That's that's what you need to do and All I came back stronger was when I did the 5150 Iron Man. I completed my swim in that 1.5 K kilometers one and I was like, this is how you do it. This is how you come back stronger. You do just one we do your cycle and you do your at so I you know, you have to have that mental sort of like I will be able to do it and this is way I'm starting now. Okay, we sort of like in our winter months at the moment. So I'm do not want to be in the ocean weight of a chilly and cold. Even though with the wetsuit but your ears and you know, your head gets cold and start training and I will build up to another 70.3 and I'm going to do it and I'm going to do it with a good time and I'm going to come back stronger. So yeah, so that's like my whole Triathlon story that's been getting on and you were telling me about being called the covered one. So when I started off with these try Evelyn I was Security in a field where I was the only person who has covered even sort of in the running field and when I think of it I'm like covered with my arms makes a head covering. It's sort of like my models dressing and I was very intimidated being in this field, but I sort of realized people coming up to me and they were like to ask him a question is do you not feel hot and your transition from your sperm and you know, you you basically Ali now waiting underneath your website your your your wetsuit I had all this long tight and a t-shirt underneath and then I kinda got comfortable but make no one actually quite comfortable because everything just gets sort of flipped on in quick and you know, I'm basically ready to go. So I thought of like stood out in the crowd being this one covered person and not only that but within our in the race, you know, what in South Africa I was like the only Indian and it was like like a foot, you know, like such a Fascination for people to see okay, they are other woman in the Indian field or you know, like dark skinned and or you know, just like participating and it actually brought in more of other people to feel you know, what we can't do that if you can participate in South Africa is a country where we are so friendly and so open and people are accommodating. So I sort of like got more people to to actually enter from my kids from my friends, you know to relatives as well and it sort of started growing upon people to see okay, you know what they watching you and social media doing this is something they will be like I want to do it is well, that's awesome. And can I just interrupt for a second because your story so it Seeing and you're going but you know what? I'm I'm also one of those curious people and I have all those same questions that when people come up to you and talk to you about like what you're wearing and how that affects you because I guess I'm assuming that you probably in the swims and says after you guys are always have a wet suit on it just depends on the water temperatures like within the if we swimming in the ocean and that sometimes we do here. Warmer conditions and then there's like a know where to look but most of the time they sometimes they give us the options. You want to submit it to a movie that you don't want to swim with it. It's up to you. Okay, but you know what, we all want that buoyancy and then there are gliding through the eternal spirit. So we like know put the wet suit on and I'm anemic so I feel cold very quickly. So for me to have that extra warmth of a wetsuit on me is just you know, really good. So yeah, we we allowed wetsuit at any time and that If it's very warm conditions than only they'll tell us nowhere. So if you don't have a wetsuit, so I'm just asking not just for me, but I'm sure there's lots of other people you might check your see if you don't have a wetsuit, what do you have like a special like a tighter covering or something like that that will that will go through the water. How how does this one work for you? And and this is a I feel silly asking but you still have like a head covering or as your bathing cap enough for this swim. How does that work? Yeah, so basically what I would wear is um, okay, so I would with my normal landing page that I would be using throughout the triathlete so there is obviously it will start up like this I have my running tights on and then I will have a all-in-one long-sleeve swimming costume, which is a quick drive Fabric and from there I would weigh my wet suit over that so the minute the Westwood comes off I've got the texture of like all-in-one a sort of look like this like black The job. Hey, did you fight all the time? Yeah, I've got all of that and it's quite comfortable to smelling like used for teaching. It's just, you know, like more comfortable for me and then over that I will weigh. My Twitter comes to the biking. Okay, you would normally have your try suit underneath and you take off your wet suit and you've got your ties with and you're ready to go. So I will end up putting over my running tights slip on if you Look at my picture on the humans of triathletes. It's a basically a cycling skirt. So I wear that and if it's over my tight and then I will put on my club t-shirt that you know for your cycling and and if you're ready to go and then when you come back from your transition, it's needs to change your techies because you've got all your yeah, my transitions do take a little bit longer. I allocate it a little bit of change of time. That but I realize from the swamp sometimes if you have this longest one that you transitioning you sort of feel a little bit woozy and that's it gives me that little bit time to change and I mean I'm not competing and I'm not in the Elite field. So, you know you allocating your time for each discipline. Once you're once you start your watch, so I take a little time to just change and hydrate and eat also and yeah, and then I get on with it and then coming back to you asked about the head covering so long. Only I'll wear like a puff. I'm sure you are familiar with the busting that they use. I wear one in the winter and then I'll have my swimming cap over that but people are so respectful like they don't really want to be in your business or stay at you and wonder why you have this on and that but I don't wait the full head covering because in previous times I found it to be sort of like comes over into your face and safety is more important. Within ten, you know, like having things blocking your way a bit. So I'll help the bottom line and I'll have my swimming cap over and everything is sort of like weekly. So once the swimming cap comes over it's not like my ears open and that but you know the and then I'll pray pain my my head covering and yeah, then I'm going to go to everything. I've like it's taken me time to work with like what's your big to work for me? What is comfortable for me and there tonight? Like now got like my sex clothing and everything is good quick slip on slip off. Off, you know and you ready to go. Thank you for sharing that know. It's it's yeah, it is curious like how the clothing works when you're when you're covered in this. Yeah, and it's not only like with like my religion as a covering it that I did people from other race coming to me and asking me you know, what like, where did you get the head covering because we have really hot conditions in South Africa. And if you're participating in this time, it's real. You know, you feel that burn and we hit the quite high temperatures. So everyone wants to take into, you know, the the hole concentration of sun protection covering the arms covering their leg or maybe even like or the neck area, you know, and so it's like people would like us like what Fabrics you using or where did you buy your sleeve, you know your long sleeves to cover up in that so it's nice to have like other people also. Rested in wanting to be son son safe sort of to say hmm. For sure our question. That doesn't mean have you met any other covered athlete yourself in any race of Bin I had to Heaven neck any other Because I think you know actually I have but she's like in a whole different area that she loves quite far from it. I mean gave a damn it. She's in Cape Town and through social media. We sort of like came to know of each other. You know, we were like trying we are very small community of like woman who put ourselves out there. So when we do identify each other with like, oh you also like what the head covering and you also do all these thoughts and you sort of like become like friends. You don't know who But you just become friends like that and I did meet this one lady. And in fact, she did her full Ironman this year. So I told her I said she's like one of my biggest Inspirations and I watched her running and running down that red carpet and you know, just putting herself out there and it'll let you like one of my biggest Heroes and I do have another friend as well who covers up and she also saw me doing these try elements and she was curious and she says you No, like you giving me this hope that I also want to participate and I want to do all of this and it shouldn't be anything really we don't feel like anything holding us back. And like I said South Africa we are so open and so accommodating like nobody will tell you. Oh you're banned from dusted band from that. We did have rulings before about your arms being visible on the swim if the safety business some safety thing around it, but when we spoke to the race officials and you know, we said like look, We all cover up and like how are you going to accommodate that like even with the with some of the men they do not we you know, they they were longer trousers and they they said you know, what we will bypass the rules to accommodate you guys so they don't like make it difficult for us. Like that's my country. We did see, you know, they don't force the rules upon people. They are little bit more stricter with those that are competing on the elite level so I often I joke with them. And I'm like the product that make it one day to the a deep level. Are you going to give me like, you know, like the key issues about why I'm covering up and they just like giggle and laugh at the whole thought, you know, and I'm like, okay like if you take care of that little bit hope that one day I could make it day to the top. Yeah, so that's the whole thing about be covered and it's a comfort as well you feel comfortable in what you wear and how you dress it. Yeah. I guess it's very important. I mean always obviously when I first read out, All your story I thought well, maybe this is very easiest ethical nice is adding an extra layer of complexity about training right? But but definitely from what we hear like you say. No you feel comfortable is you can keep your your religious beliefs while at the same time doing a compel a very demanding competition like travel which is fantastic. No, and and also I'm very surprised knowing that what you said that there is a community right? So Of people who put themselves out there and do this porch is fantastic. I didn't know the it was yeah, I when I thought I would read about this. Oh my gosh, maybe she's the only one the world know it for maybe two or three but there's yeah this morning and you know what? It's like social media on Instagram if you're going to have to take so we sort of go as he jobby. My jobby is the word hijab. He means like it covering or your Muslim dressing and if you hashtag it in it People put off we keep up with a searching and from that day. I've come to learn of people in America who do triathlons and I rather than they are covered up and they are people from other like a I think it was in Dubai. There's quite a few women in Dubai. So you sort of like identify with these women and you watch them and you actually see what clothing works for them and how they trade as well. Well and you realize that you know, what sort of like all some early the same, you know, the dressing the Comfort there was a lady I think in from Iran as well and her country basically had to accommodate her with the special change thin because when they doing the transition it was quite I think the Ironman feel was open. So they are her country accommodated the dough with a failed changing 10 so that she's not visible to other people watching her. So yeah, it's nice to see how there's so many other women in the world who are covered and you know, we just be passionate about sports the same as anyone else and you just do what we want to do because it makes us you know, happy. Yeah, and and I you know what like learning about the try everything. I told you I don't I took my bike and I took my things and I had nobody to coach me to tell me I didn't know what the big training. The Run was I didn't know about you know, all these different different things and I thought of like learned and I enjoyed now. Mostly how people come to me and they look for advice from me and I tell them look at what I'm not a telescope. I'm not a professional but I will give you all the advice I have learned over time to make it easier for you. And I and I love the part that people come back to me and say you know what your advice was so good that it really helped in this way and that way so I feel like I benefited in a different way. We have shown this light about try at learned to to so many other people to want to participate. So that's my whole big achievement about the childhood field and and coming back to I did the ultra triathlete this year in ahead all this drama with Recycling and that it did put me off for a while. You know, I I felt like a little bit disheartened and I said, you know what maybe I should just take a break from it and When the Spalding's comes I will I will start off with it again. So last week they had a trifling event and I just tested looking and I said should I do it and I'm like I said, I haven't been training much and the entries had clothes and I said, you know what I want to do it. I'm going to do the smaller than the parenthesis and I didn't start off with us again. And I found myself owning organizers and friends and I'm like I wanted in together like but why so last minute so now take that feeling Of wanting to do a triathlon. It's growing on me and it's getting warmer again. So I'm going to start with it and I'm going to get my kids involved as well and maybe get them to do the smaller ones and just let it grow from there. So how many kids do you have? I've got two boys. The wine is aged 14 and the other one is going to be nine years old the 14 year old. He's done a few triathlons as well. I love the swimming. They love the cycling and a lot of that comes from learning it from me. You know, if I'm going to the pool to swim they want to swim with me and and I'm not all right, I love how they compete. You know, they say some healthy is because I'm a mom. They can sort of be the stronger, you know, the more competitive type and I and I often tell them. Yeah, you know what I let you guys win and I let you guys put into faster than either they know that I have this not for running, but they want to spin faster than me. You could with a cycling. It's like, you know, they enjoy it and I love that. I've given this to them that they have is enough for sports. So my 14 year old has found a few triathlons the smaller distances and he enjoys it he and I tell him you know, what you do this you do it for yourself. You don't worry about the other kids that are taking part in a time that you know that they spending or fast or swimming faster. I said, you just do it to enjoy it and and that's what that's what he enjoys, you know that he's taking part and you get those lovely medal and goodie bags and whatever else that the kids are given and I feel I've done them good in giving them the whole love for sports now, that's that's a great lesson, you know, it's fantastic for kids to see their parents out there doing stuff and it sounds like your husband is active as well. So it's a great family and from her. Put all the blame on him. I mean if anybody knows the triangle and feel these quite expensive when we knew like wetsuit and trying to offend you need you goggles, you need goggles for your swimming pool. You need goggles for the ocean you need, you know, all these different things and then he'll be like, oh you were you shopping again online for like things and you're going and buying running stuff in you know, new fitness gear and I said, but you did this to me you showed it to me on the TV and you put it into a 16 point. You just laughed at the whole thing. And in fact, he was the one who kept on saying I want to do Iron Man Iron it and I never really knew what he was talking about the user cyclist. So if what what I've learned is your cycling is basically where most of your childhood comes out from and he he had the cycling and he says I just need to get my Landing right in my psyche in my swimming right? And I'm going to do this Iron Man Iron Man and you know if I didn't sort of Take a chance and do this mini Triathlon with the big mountain bike of 9 and he wouldn't have taken this risk. He often tells me I wouldn't have taken this risk to you know get into it. So I'm happy that I've like helped him to sort of also achieve this this thing that he fell in love what you know watching the sky as well. And yeah, so he's also doing the cycling and running is got a little bit of issues here and there but With the you known eagles with the newly girls and that but it doesn't put him off you he still go to it and he still tries it's nice to hear, you know, your your your your husband side-by-side doing these things with you and I think it makes it more meaningful when you have your family around to support you also. Hmm. So that's yeah, that's basically the triethylamine life of his name and the picture that you have. that they was basically quality Mandela try after you started off speaking about, you know, the country of Mandela and then was to be actors August month is sort of like in memory of him and you know the history around the whole thing with Mandela and that's why Evelyn was basically taken was hosted at a place called The Mandela capture site because like where you want to taken and you know all of that so it's nice that fact Specific picture that was you know, just do everything like my like my country and and I can't begin to explain to you that the humans of triethylene post that went on Instagram. It went viral. It was like all over it why it went to people asking me for a newspaper interview that they wanted to publish it. I got called into a radio interview message swap deal and I told him I said you have no idea what this post is done. I think I'm like everywhere. I said not only about the covered part but about being South African as well as it it's just gone viral in those tiny little country based in the bottom of Africa, you know, he giggles. I'm so happy I gave you that and it didn't just stop there from there. It went into a we are in August which is Woman format as well. So there was a campaign being taken place in you know in celebrating women but month and I got asked to be part of the campaign and campaign is being now on this on this on the store windows on their website, you know sharing my story about my fight against the passion how I got into running and fitness and Firelands and everything. So I go back to the humans of China. Evelyn post and it basically went from one thing to another to me now giving group talks to people. So this is what humans are tires when he's done for me. It's opened up a whole new different light about choosing number one about my be covered in any Renault sport is for everyone and number two about people fighting depression and you know, like opening up and taking help. So thank you for All of those that you've given me, you know, like to expose my my love for triathlons and especially coming from South Africa to show you what what you know tires lilies in our country. No, no, thank you for sharing your story. I think I think the good thing about about what's up Neil has created here is that sort of the reach not like that. The channel has had and been able to dispel so many myths know about what you you can and you cannot do is incredible now in all the stories that we've had from people novembe ceases or accidents or religious constraints, like none of that is a proof. No other none of that has a Regal boundaries on doing whatever you want. And I think traveling is a very good example of something I wouldn't say your typical mom and pop it's not exactly what they do, but it is something that I like. Like impressive know like even though with all these constraints you can actually go and do whatever you want pretty much that's I think that's a message that I've seen that seems to be. Yeah, so I think that's very nice. Okay, I'd like people ask me. Okay. So you've done this 90 kilometer run and you you gone into triathlons and what what you find is like War harder to do and I'll be like, you know what that 90k run was still easier compared to being in The tires with feel and like that mental and the physical every muscle everybody. Like if you're running it's just you know, like a one-way track thing that you're doing like continuously run walk at that and I said, but with the dialing thing you you you basically using everything your mind is sort of like, you know, like like in different places you you trying to you know, like psych yourself up. You know, what just keep going. Just keep going. We're just like it. What being a little bit more in that I did you using everything just to achieve a trial if I did, you know, it's something if you want to do something you really amazing for yourself. It's to do a trial of it. And yeah, so I love the stories on humans of times when I read so many of them everybody's got a story to tell and it's so amazing, you know, like really started off from and how they've achieved and yeah, that's good. Yeah, and I think after well, I think the story also has helped me to understand also the little bit of and to see not even the covered woman with a strong maybe religious beliefs, you know, she can do whatever she wants. I think that's a very from message. I leave in a in a Muslim neighborhood in London and I would say half of my neighbors are covered women and I've always wondered how like I do they feel like trapped or is it normal? They have a life where they can do things and but then I see your story and I'm like wow, so it's just do this dispel a myth just like that. No, it's just you can do anything you want thing is that I have the option where I don't have to be covered up. So it's not like it's like was like forced upon me. I sort of like took it upon myself to want to be covered and it sort of was like I felt like shielded a lot of if you if you speak to a lot of Other women it's sort of like you feel like you and like, you know, it's like a comfort and a protective covering, you know, and I it's nothing that tells me back like even like with the swimming I if I don't want to you know, like we're whatever it is. I'm waiting for swimming. I don't have to but I feel like because I do what I feel is comfortable for me and yes, I'm sure was like a lot of other women as Value set of like it better choice and the comfort is as you would say, you know like to to be how ever you know, they want to dress them. Yeah, and I say I've had like people from other woman who will come and ask questions with regards to you know, like was it forced upon me and take your husband did you do? Others that you don't have like a home with nothing like that. And yeah, so it's interesting to see how people are curious and I always say you know what it's nice to hear people ask gracious than it because you sort of like open the light to what they you know, sort of like have concluded in their mind to sort of, you know, showing them that this does use the real way. Yeah, I think I mean obviously when you have a cover that sort of puts a summer barrier if you want to say With the someone who is not covered and they may feel scared even to ask also approach and you've had in France, for example, I think couple years ago. We had this huge Rao over girls being able to go cover. They're not because he did it was not the norm know. It was very dramatic case, I guess but please great. No to hear that people actually approached you and they ask you questions and so we're sort Out of breaking down those barriers and you see so often like in America and like I said in France and a lot of other countries with the sort of like the Muslim population of White war and they have all these issues where they cannot test the way they want to and they have to you know, take off the head coverings and a lot of us women with in South Africa. We actually we say we are so lucky that we don't have these beings put on us like if you Just one they you know, they not to say that people will say, oh you can't get into the pool because you have you know, all this bling type of clothing on you. So we are so fortunate in so many ways that we have this privilege to participate in Fair. However, we want to and it's not only about like my religion. I mean, they are ladies that are like the Hindu ladies a they can where they Saudis they are other Ladies from the Jewish ladies, they have their different dressing attire. So in three one is allowed to wear whatever you want to wear and feel comfortable. However, you want to feel comfortable and and I always like used to firstly feel like I was like being judged at people worded. But when I saw people walking up to me and talking to me, I realized you know what so we will not have country where people were like Dad you and make fun of you and that they it's especially in the sporting field. People are it's like you're enjoying what you're doing and that in everyone's on their own. So nobody's there to you know, pick on you and places where does it don't do that as a so. It's yeah, but we got lucky. I must say was in South Africa, but we have this big big privilege. Hmm. That's great. Okay, I am going to ask the South Africa question though just from the perception of the West sometimes the perception of going over there so world And chips were last year and I knew there were a few I know of a few people are quite a few people that had decided to turn down the spot because of fear of their safety. So you're someone who's out there you riding bikes here you're involved in sport. It's your community and over here. We're thinking it's not a safe place necessarily to visit but everybody wants to go because it's such a you know, it's such a wonderful place. What's What's actually the what's reality in terms of your safety while you're in South Africa or when you're out riding or just in general? So what we gots to safety you need to be very cautious, you know, like you need to know where you Landing firstly you need to be a we do have a problem with crying or that but like it's certain certain. Areas that you know that it's there, but obviously we just need to have this like don't don't go and do things alone. Don't win cycle like an isolated places or run it quiet places because you're putting yourself at first so but it's not like it's like, you know, you just going to be walking in someone's in the come in like my view and that bit but like when you doing sport the net it's always advisable to do it within groups. Don't just go wandering and doing stuff on your own or do it like at times where you are visible and People can see you. So the the sort of safety is like whipping all of us, you know, safety comes number especially for women, you know, like make sure that you don't go with now run on some beach quietly alone that but I suppose it would be in like any country as well, you know don't go into places where you got to put yourself at says get that out of there. It's like yeah in terms of tightly. We've had we've had some what two incidents you're in the unicyclist getting knocked in. So we try to accommodate, you know, what the with our main roads and that's for safety and stuff and we're quite lucky to have a lot of cycling clubs. So they offer, you know backup vehicles and that is the day he's ways of being safe and when it comes to doing events, there is a big amount of safety that goes into it, you know with the Ironman events or whether it's the hosted by the ultra events or whoever is hosting a Get that data, no closures. The safety of the athlete is, you know first and most important. So you said like other are you Ted fear of coming out if I'm not mistaken if it was in PE because it was the irony in PE the Champs. I think it's hosted the and PE is a beautiful beautiful country or Province. It's like it's really really like one of the nicest, you know courses that you can do. Boy died in bed. So they they eat a lot that goes in with in safety for the athlete when it comes to doing an event and it's coming in as a tourist you obviously you have to be cautious. You know, what they they are people that going to try and like take advantage of like they can identify you or your tattoo artist in our country and you know, they might just want to try and scam you or you know pickpocket your day and that but so we tell anyone who liked visiting in there from other places you Just need to be cautious, you know, don't just take it for granted like your yo-yos your belongings, you know to delete it out, but it's not like somebody's just going to like come in attacked you and that the yeah, thank you because like it's true. It's perceptions on everything. So if you're not there you're far away, you know, and you hear all you hear is news a news on the TV and of course our news only tells us bad things. They never tell us for Yeah, it's only in certain areas. But if a country has that like your certain areas will have your you know, the bad that like the and then you'll have the good areas where you know, like things are not is be it. So I think it's worth in every country that has like all these issues in that day that gives like we would say. Oh, we don't want to go to people because it just seems like people are out there to like Maga said, you know, and then because like when it was the World Cup, and they had all these issues. Shoes going on about people just like, you know having all their belongings left from the minute yet others within the countries that you know, what it so be certain areas that have them and and and people were like no. Okay. There's a whole group of tourists, you know, I mean with criminals they they quite clever they know okay this whole group of tourists are coming in so they like going to be like easy targets of it. So with every country the I think you just have to have that extra stuff. You know, that mindset that don't just take things for granted, you know, look after yourself and your business. Agreed agreed and and we don't have lions and giraffes free roaming people have this thing that always Africa and we have like you said Mayan King comes from Africa and you know the whole if you're just think we just have these animals at all be free and no it's not like that. They all nice and happy in there, you know game farms or whatever in the wildest they are so we don't have them know me. And I'll be tackling. Good point good point. Yeah, but we had one incident now recently where there was a guy who was bleeding cheetahs and one of them it was a little cup and got free and ended up in someone's yard. And we said, oh there's did now people from overseas are going to say we have cheetahs are only going to be you know, they did manage to catch it and release it into the wild. But yeah. Suppose you you like you said with the news, you know people just believe things that they see there and it's only like once you have inside from other people. Do you actually know like, okay don't go here. Don't go there. Don't do this. Don't do that. Hmm. Exactly and and yet you did you say that you're coming to South Africa next year to participate in our or whatever. Oh, no you are right. So I'm going yeah, I'm doing a Port Elizabeth Ironman in March next year. That's exciting. Yeah, you've been there before. Is that it? The country are taking off your box the Box were no I've been there actually a now that testing was talking about the safety and whatnot. I just remind remember that I did a road trip by myself in South Africa 10 years ago. No like myself with a car from Cape Town to an important debate to East London to Durban to joburg and it was fine honestly, and it's actually beautiful. If you did the guy from Cape Town to to East London and that helps That's basically our Garden Route and is one of the most beautiful you you're basically coming down to the most southern tip of Africa. That's like the end of Africa so that you basically covered all of that that whole Cape Coast little area is one of the most beautiful breathtaking areas within South Africa the oceans and the two oceans need and they're to you you've done quite quite a nice root of traveling was very nice. I mean, I did it I did it so many times. Things in so little time and all from obviously from drinking the very nice South African wine to having as I said before amazing steak everywhere you go. I did this super high bungee jump in a bridge in the middle of nowhere, which was like super frightening, but I was not going to do it. But once I saw a 14 year old kid asking his mom for permission. I said, I cannot allow this this thing to happen if I need to do it, so Then I did it out of Pride. Yeah, and I saw I saw sharks in in a cage super frightening. You uniquely be you see this super huge black eye swimming next to you. I mean, there's so many things I cannot explain the amount of stuff that I did in South Africa is just incredible and I felt safe at all times. Yes, there's a lot we have so much going on like you said the shark diving and that Those are you probably did the one in Cape Town with the great whites. I'm sure yeah, those are yeah, we stay we don't have great ways. We've got the smaller more friendlier looking one. So we don't have the big great whites in our oceans. I don't think any of us would want to swim if we knew we had them there. So yeah, that's that's quite Brave that you did dive what them and yeah, there is a lot a lot. Got to tour in a lot to see with it. And they and by the way, they said African government. If you hear this, we are happy to take any contributions for just promoting a country's. All right, I mean anything you want. There's no there's no amount that you need to give it's just a corporation. Yeah, could it be a huge influx of tourists coming in and triathletes coming your way? So exactly. Yeah. Yeah. It's at The Wedding, March 5th. That's our full Ironman. You hosted in the Deep one. That's it ready for you to or maybe who knows a guy just take a chance at decide over the D will be Adventure doesn't go inside. So I just need to build up on this. I keep thinking maybe in another year or two and hopefully, you know, that was like that was actually my next question. So you just named Patel the cover athlete from South Africa. What is next for you? You like so much. So I was actually telling my husband I would like and what I can man thing you told me it was cheapest full Ironman distance, but I want to First achieve the 70.3 and maybe do one or two more of it, you know, just sort of a two fold up into that, you know bigger distances. My mind tells me already that you know what I can do it and I can't achieve the big eye in there. So that's already like confidence, you know if you have that. I recognized it. It's basically physically you will feel like you can achieve it and then Stephen jarrow the we have that Mount Kilimanjaro time in real so that's also has been sort of like appealing and we have such beautiful tail running events as well that come about in South Africa. So that is also like catching my eye and I said, you know what we are so fortunate there's so much in the fitness field to be offered. And it's like, you know, you just you need to know what you want to do and when you want to do it and how to get to know each achieve in separately. So, yeah, so definitely the Ironman 70.3. I'm going back to finish my 90k bike thing. What did you know each one full distances, you know if we have that OCD as every athlete who won that one point nine and you want that 92 show all on your timesheet. So that's why I'm going for now. And yeah, after that they'll see so I like I said, you know, we have this comedy event, which is the 90k run and they hosted basically either it will start from it starts from pietermaritzburg to the urban or they will have the turbine to pick tomatoes book. So it's either called the upper hand or the down run the I've done the doubt and now I still need to go back and Achieve that up. So that's also on my to do list of events. So yeah slowly slowly getting picked up and left and definitely the triumphant field is the first I think things I need to achieve very nice to hear good. It's good. You know what everybody needs to have gold everybody needs to have something to work for especially if you're passionate like FDA did it and you know what? I am growing up as a kid. I was never the sporty type I was there. Shy girl, you know when they were like picking teams, I did that last one that they would choose because I had Butterfingers, you know participating in whatever sport it was so I didn't I always say if I knew I had that in me, you know to be that passionate Sports loving person. I you know, I would have like, you know done all the sport I could wear as a kid. I used to walk I used to swim but I didn't know I had some snuff or all of these other things. And everyone it's never too late, you know you it grows on you and it just becomes a part of your life. And I said I'll always be the old lady that will still be taking part in all these running and cycling available. You know, it's so yeah, it's good to have these goals that carry us through exactly. All right, so I think unfortunately we're running out of time. I'm being the bad cop here and it's been such a The pool check with all of you is I think I just focus focus focus. So no actually we actually have to say that in 55 episode or 56. I think this is 56. Usually, you know, we the host conduct people with questions, but I think this is maybe the second place a second time that I hear someone just start and go very structured one by one sign all the story without having to To do to inquires I was I was amazed have to say super eloquent die just like answered all your questions were like, okay, we won't ask her the questions. She's just going through with it. You know, she's just answering all our questions. I think you yes Sheila. You said you taking part in this Iron Man tomorrow? What? What is your surname? I have to go and check up in T. And what is the whole Ironman thing about a bit? Oh, it's true 11, so Tre L. EA ve n and I don't know do you have the Ironman app on your phone? Yes. Yes. Yeah. So if you look up the Ironman Mont-Tremblant, I'm number 49 wedding at all. Okay, that's so it's super I'm gonna go check it out the dead you have but good luck for your race tomorrow and we just don't like getting to all of you. Yeah. Yeah, it's been amazing, but we're not going to let you go until you answer our for mandatory question we quickly. I have to say something. Okay, so I think you go ahead. I've been in contact with us now basically nastya. Sometimes he asked me to share my story about how I got it to try it. And anyway, I sent him the story and it was just not happening for us to do this podcast and you know, eventually I just did ask, you know, I don't don't worry about it. It's fine. Don't worry about my story and everything and when this humans of triathletes story I'd went onto Instagram and Facebook. I didn't know about it. I had no idea that you know, my story is being out there and the next thing I knew I got people messaging me and I had my picture all over and I was like what is going on? I didn't know all of this was happening. People were like telling me my husband you about it first. So I just have to I found it. So amazing everybody knew about it, except me. So yeah, that's just like a huge huge surprise for me. Well, I'm glad it worked. There to be a great prize and I Sawyer, you're the picture of your big giant poster of you and your that campaign you were speaking about and it's oh, yeah. Thank you so much. Yes. Yeah, that's it was just like also such a big 3/8 and they were so nice to be part of this whole campaign also. Hmm. Okay, so you were about to ask me like one last question. All right. I'm sorry for oh no, hold on. Yeah. You want to start off show you that with a question? Sure. So the beginning of our four questions, this is question. Number one. What message do you want people listening to the show today to take away from your story? Okay. So the first thing is a lot of time a lot of people begin to put the own needs aside, especially with women begin to have the same way. We don't allocate time for ourselves and I think with men also the you know sort of get hooked up in work and stuff and we neglect ourselves. So my message is you know, what take that little bit of me time and energy to yourself. You you owe it to yourself to just find something passionate and just go for it and work for you. And if you are in the sporting field, it is something that you know, you say I want to do it then you can just cook it and you know commit to the training and we have that mindset that I'm going to achieve this and just go for whatever it is that you want to go for the right method is to review as women kind of forget about ourselves sometimes. Yeah, and and you know, what coming from being a mum and I work as well and that I've learned the importance of allocating this V time and and I always say I still tight, you know to to get that to them in order to get that run in order to get that jump time in it's like you're trying to like Shepherd it in between all your busy errands that you are doing and I say, you know, what if I don't make this be time for myself, I think I'll just be like a one-way track, you know, just continuously doing everything and not worrying about myself and and especially when I realized this was when I got sick and you know that I just basically neglected myself. There is why I have this thing for sports where you know, it's for me and my big It's Challenge and I have to like achieve anything that either I put my mind to. All right. Well, so question number two numero dos are there any people or brands that you like to give a shout-out to I have to give a big shout-out to Auto style Motorsport, that is my running club it my place of employment and my Cycling Club as well. And it's the people within the that sort of motivated. We also more into the sport and got me more into running and they're so big shout out to them for, you know, giving me this like and seeing that I had this passion for for sports and direct. We need more into it. So definitely a big shelter to APA style. All right. Oh before we ask our very last question. Can you tell everybody listening today where they can find you online? Okay. So I am on Instagram. My Instagram name is T is underscore n ee em and it's my full name is to steam dock, right? Okay, so to sleep Patel is my marriage, Saline. And the other stunning that's my maiden surname so and Facebook as well. You can find me on it just means doctorate and I think everyone will be able to identify the picture like the same picture all over. Yeah, so that's basically how you can get hold of me. I'm more active on Instagram. Then I am on Facebook. So yeah, and I'm you know what? I'm open to any any people asking questions any advice like I said, you know, like my story came from a battle of fighting depression and I can't begin to explain the amount of messages. I receive from people like with only with in South Africa, but other countries like looking for advice asking for you know, like people trying to seek help into getting better. So I'm like an open book if you want any question or any advice and willing to help or you know, Try and see what I can do for other people as well. All right, and our last very last question the most important question ever in this podcast. Why do you try I try because I gave up on myself. I I was fighting this depression and I said I give up and when I found trifling I said You know what you gave up on yourself, but now you are going to try to be better. So that was my little my little mind that thing that I used to have in the back you are going to try to be better. That's where the whole childhood thinking it. So trifling for me is huge. It's physically and it's meant to be you know, but someone to fight a mental illness and to see that you know, what you can come out mentally strong to achieve whatever you want to achieve. That's what dry Upland is Hope. Woogie all right. Thank you. Very very very much for coming on today. That's name is been very awesome, too. Yeah, absolutely. And and then I look forward to seeing you with in South Africa that that would be nice. You have to tell me when you are around and it would be good to you know to meet you people in person. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. I think I'm thinking about being I'm not sure where exactly your base, but I'm thinking maybe In a few days in joburg and then head out head down to to PE maybe spend a couple more days in Cape Town and then go back home but peanuts. I'm in the quad Zulu the towel. So that's like your we if you've heard of like King Shaka and you know all the Muslim guy and all those kind of areas. It's more like the warmer coastal areas of Cape Town has Mordecai schools warm Waters and we have the warm. One side of the ocean. So yeah. Definitely we most of we have all the Keystone in people coming to Durban to come and enjoy a warmer water. Oh, yeah, you definitely need to come and visit our our provinces. Well, yeah, definitely definitely sounds nice. Okay will do will do. Yes a good luck Sheila for your wrist, but I'm definitely going to go and check up on you. Thank you so much. I can use all the chairs and I could get so it'd be awesome. Yes. All right. Thank you so much and have a have a wonderful day. And yeah shame she liked you but up at 5 a.m. So now you can go and catch a smooth again after a little bit and then I have to go and bring in my bike and all my gear bags and check them in today. So getting that ready to all right, thank you so much. Thank you so much. Destiny manned you all listeners. Thank you very much for listening whether you are in a car driving commute to work or in the tube in the subway in the beach or if you use this for training for motivation and you are right now punching through the pedals in front of Swift and sweating like a pig in your in your credit score the pain cave then thank you very much and I will see you very soon. Ciao. Ciao. Thanks for listening everyone. Thanks for being a part of this humans of triathlon Community. Hope you're enjoying the show and I love the content make sure to join us again next week. 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This week we have our first guest from South Africa - Tasneem Patel. She's a fully covered athlete who has been called as "The Covered One". Tasneem was never the athletic type, but a vicious cycle of mental illness began her journey to be active. In 2016, she ran her first Comrades Ultra; a 89km run within SA. By late-2017, she did her first Olympic-distance. 2018 was the year to achieve a 70.3, but life had unexpected turns. With the loss of her dad, she lost her way in training. However, in late 2018, her love, mindset & passion returned - and she's determined to complete an Ironman. Tune in as we talk about all things South Africa and how Tasneem's story is yet another example that anyone can be a triathlete, regardless of religious beliefs...or anything else. - TASNEEMS SOCIAL MEDIA: Instagram | Facebook - SUBSCRIBE, RATE & REVIEW: if you enjoy the show and haven't left a review yet, it would mean a lot to us if you could leave the podcast a positive review on Apple Podcasts/iTunes. - H.O.T SOCIAL MEDIA: Instagram | Facebook | Strava | Website - HOSTS: Swapneel Chouhan, Sheila Treleaven, & Carlos (Charles) Galan - INTRO/OUTRO MUSIC: produced by Vasil Zguri at SoundPulse

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Yeah, all these decorations were made by people in sweatshops who don't speak English and we're contributing to their slavery someone help me with this. Hydrogen tank, it's mad heavy did you just say hydrogen? Yeah, I got any of the party store was selling it out of the back of his truck. It was like half as much as a helium tank, huh? Wonder why does the Hindenburg ring any bells and why am I not surprised that you got it from a sketch guy in a parking lot. It looks like you used your arms as pin cushions for years. Excuse me. What does some kidnapped baby have to do with anything? Thing I'll just leave this next to the fireworks. Never mind. It's probably fine for tonight. Just has anyone seen the champagne. I must have forgotten. I also leave me be lit darling. You don't mind running out and getting some just don't get sidetracked by the white lady. I would ask Johnny, but I needed impeccable cooking skills to help make these nachos. Actually, I do. Yeah, just go ahead and pick up a case of champagne and maybe some sparklers or like those glasses that say what year it is and make sure it's here in time for the countdown. Thanks a million. Bye. This is my apartment and I don't even want to put the same fucking serious right now. You know what? Whatever. I like I have anything better to do today. Hello. Anyone there? I've been tracking all over the fucking City for hours. This shit is heavy. Hey Billy, have you seen Lynette? I've been looking for everywhere. I need to find a before midnight so we can make out during the countdown. Hey idea how hard it is to find champagne in this Bale. Forsaken City. Otherwise was like that bullshit sparkling wine stuff. I haven't got that like some weird snooty wine importer. It was really fucking hard to Sue's $10,000 worth of champagne off this guy. Some pretty sure he was sexually attracted to the wine. Oh, yeah, I forgot about the champagne then it's gonna freak if she doesn't have it in time for the countdown doesn't look like I care. Come on, please. I like. Oh you forever. I want everything to be perfect when I give her the ring. Yeah fine, whatever. Oh, finally and fight. Can you have a party without bubbly is like literally the thing I can think of, excuse me. I've got to get this bottle over to my room. She said she got a hat like this like like or for now. Pardon me is just is just Why? Everything anything, you know, it's like a bra is chest underwear and a sure is just like like like let me pass you open my mind. What what's your name the smartest person? I've ever met. Where are you get off of me? I don't have much time. It's in terms of smart. Do you know Harry New Year guys? His name is like oh We're coming to you live from the Jessamine Town Square to hear the New Year's resolutions of our steam citizenry. What are you going to change in? 2020 and 28? Hi, I'm gonna become more informed. I've already subscribe to the day color Brevard news and the Ben Shapiro show. Yeah. I don't see that creating any problems. What about you in 2020? I'm finally gonna become a girl boss. Ready to start selling aromatherapy and leggings. That's great. We've got one budding entrepreneur here ready to revitalize our struggling High Street. Like no not from a store. The whole point is To Be My Own Boss work from home set my own hours and all that. All that's left is to wait for the Products to arrive from the head office. Thanks again Kari. Oh, by the way, can I interest your viewers in an exciting business proposal? Okay, and how about this guy here? Whoo Apple TV. Happy New Year's my resolution is to get famous. That sounds great as you can tell Derek nothing beats. The New Year's beef. Looks like the cat Downs about to start. Breaking news. I'm a I'm coming to you live from the Town Square there appears to have been some sort of explosion something someone common one. Looks like we've well brought in the New Year's with a bang. Oh, miss are you okay? Are you freaking kidding me?

Johnny and Lunette throw a New Year's Party to remember. Sadie works the best beat of the year, the New Year's Countdown. Me, My Demon, and I - New Year's Special - Out With a Bang Me, My Demon, and I - Episode 6 - Ring Pops and Heart Keys Created David Young Written by: Faye Fox https://twitter.com/FayeFox_16 Andrew Tuersley https://twitter.com/tudsley David Young https://twitter.com/skeletond100 Johnny and Extras are voiced by Adam Lloyd https://twitter.com/HorseMorsel Vet is voiced by Victor Valdeon https://www.instagram.com/zanvisanto/ Bilé is voiced by Faye Fox https://twitter.com/FayeFox_16 Lunette is voiced by Megan McKinstry https://twitter.com/meguraxo Sadie is voiced by Claudia Vecci https://claudyview.com/ Extras Counting down are voiced by Jordan Heaver https://twitter.com/jeaver15 Drunk Reveller is voiced by David Young https:twitter.com/skeletond100 GYWYHSACWAAP and High as a kite/MLM Reveller are voiced by Ashley Teague https://twitter.com/lateague112 All sound effects and music are from freesound.org under a Creative Commons 0 license.

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No, that's even better. No, I went to Ron funches house. Oh, no. It was last year very quiet lady and I and so good. Oh my God so much food. And so same as last year were asked to bring dessert okay or and like a side dish. So boy, this is already built. That's what shit but no, I just have you ever seen these like these box cakes and like Italian bakeries. Okay. Yeah, so I was intrigued by this. I mean what's up with this box of cake and so like I had bought one right now brought it but we also brought a very nice strawberry cheesecake awesome boy that fucking box of cake sucked. When I was getting there there there we are. Oh, that's nice. Great. Yeah, why did it suck though? A flavor one this shit. It was one woman with the lemon cream. Okay. It was really very generic. Yeah. Oh, yeah put down the whole idea of intrigued me and then so I just want to try and it didn't work out but you just doesn't keep you from wanting to keep trying things. Of course. Yeah that happens a lot of times with deserver. It looks really good on the outside, but doesn't taste as great on the end. Inside for sure. Yeah, and hey, I don't know about you all but I'm a big big canned cranberry sauce fan. I think I heard there was a poll done for that and that apparently people think that it's overrated what canned cranberry sauce? Yeah cranberry sauce in general. They're considered. I just wanted that are overrated items that are contributed to data to yearly Thanksgiving dinner. So that's interesting. I only had it once we're we don't really do that all over it. This is overrated. Overrated yeah everybody to yeah, sometimes Classics are Classics for a reason. Yeah, you know, it's like the cranberry sauce. Yeah, of course. Okay. Absolutely. I just went so many thanksgivings without having I've only had it once so for me it wasn't like a big deal. Right? Right. Right, right. No. Yeah. I like the the can because it's all like molded already, right? Yeah the can and you can just slice it and rice little round slices, right? it's absolutely it's not you know, obviously it's not you know, it's good for you as the And under the regular crap fresh cranberries, but you know, right who gives a shit is once a year. Yeah. Fuck. Yeah. What's your favorite dish of the year that you look forward to coming back? Everybody has one though. Hey, but you guys know about their look at that. What a beautiful. That's so satisfying are you into those will see YouTube videos with black folks and pumpkin pie. Pumpkin pie sweet potato pie. No. Yeah. Well like it's a thing like like it's like white people like and this isn't just like shares is generally I'm not saying everybody right? Yeah, like black people like sweet potato pie and like people like pumpkin pie. Okay, I didn't realize that interesting. Yeah, right, right, right. Yeah. If you are you like this, you know, people are pretty dug into their positions on that. Really. Yeah. I feel like for Mexicans. It's flat Earth legit. Yeah, no so good so good both of them. It's my family's big on a Yorkshire pudding. If you guys had your dream ever had that you're joining. It's not putting it's just like red. It's like yeah kind of a little like popover sort of thing. I think is giving is end up being very starchy very like roast potatoes which putting it's good stuff. Okay. Hey, so hey Jeff. Can you hear me? Yeah, I got you Sean. Have you ever heard of a place in Glendale called bourbon steak? Guess that's right. Now sure you sure. Yeah. I've never been I mean, I love Glendale Galleria. It's legit. One of the greatest restaurants I've ever been to and I came into the chef's name, but I use fairly famous chef. And so I had to order and I there's a Michael Mina there is yep. Yes two pound Maine Lobster potpie. It was the greatest thing I've ever ordered from a restaurant my entire life. I am so great. Jesus it was so fucking great man is $100. Oh my God, it is so worth it to two pounds is not just for one person or you can share. Oh wow. Yeah, that place is wild. Yeah right around the right down from the Americana. I love plays. Hmm guys. Is that what that is? Is that what we're looking at, so watching watching The YouTube stream and then so like I post this right and then you get the odd like reply. Oh xpac like so shut the fuck up. You think like we don't know right now that I've gotten older you dumb fucks good response to somebody that said that to you last time on Twitter. You said I think that different like he can't he had a different tone Oh I see hmm. These are like, okay, I'll use one no offense for fuck does Xbox. Look I didn't think Rock. Right, right. It but if you have to start with no offense, it's gonna be yeah, I think the fuck up shut the fuck up shut the fuck up what the end of the day. You're the one thing. They're tweeting it. Right, right. All right tweet though. Fuck up. There. It is. I got at the end of the day. You're the one with a $100 Lobster plate. Really? Yeah, if anything is representative of the end of the day, it's the end of the day the exactly All right, what's going on Denise what we have lots to talk about today lot sweeter. Spend 12 minutes rambling about no, I don't think so. I don't know. We're about six minutes in I started no worries. I enjoyed it. Well, we have a lot of different stuff that we're going to talk about just a bunch of random stuff and we're just going to go ahead and dive right into it. So the first story that we're actually talking about because it's fairly a big story and it could be a bigger story next week or it could be really no story next week. So this week's as we've no never Single week for the last 10 weeks. We everybody on Wednesday is talking about the Wednesday night Wars between aw and NXT and you know, this week was actually pretty shocking because NXT had eight hundred and ten thousand viewers while aw came in at six hundred sixty three thousand viewers, which is almost half a million viewers with their first week kicking off at one point four million and Flash Forward 10 weeks. We're at six hundred sixty three thousand. However, many people have theories given again that it It was the holiday season their key demographic which is between the ages of 18 and 49 young demographic that you know, may be out celebrating friends giving out drinking You Name It Whatever It Is What do you show on a situation like this when it could be something like that. You got to look at the live plus seven number seven day numbers like like how many people watch it over the course of seven days sure because it's those numbers are important because like sometimes you know, Okay, Monday Night Football or this or that way our so they do look at it. That way he's dead. Not that they'll live numbers aren't very I'm right. Yeah, I'm trying to say that but it's not like so when that happens I want to say you probably want to look at that seven-day total and see how that yeah. It'll be interesting to see how that shapes up. I think to to WWE's credit. I think I had my issues with the build a Survivor Series, but I think one of the things that Really managed to pull off was was putting NXT NXT over to the yeah, that's the mainstream audience because I think even with them moving to USA, there's still a lot of people that think just because those guys aren't on our Smackdown that means it's still the minor leagues. And so I think that that bill did a really good job of putting those guys over giving them a platform to shine especially guys like Adam Cole and then one state, you know, once people tune into NXT. It's just, you know the format and just think the pacing and I think it's just it's just a really easy show to watch right right and not want to turn the channel. Yeah break. Yeah with the pit when they do picture in picture and you know, some people might think okay you were in break. Okay, grab a whole, you know, right? I don't do any you're good shit. No that's changed. Yeah. Now even in bittern picture, you're going to see good shit. Is he? Don't want anyone turn the channel, right? That's a good point. Yeah, that definitely changed how matches structure drastically sure. I don't know how because as a viewer for myself. Personally. I'm not a fan of the picture in picture because you know, you have the big commercial and then you have you know, use the smaller screen with the action going on. You can't like if you're far away from the TV like you could only really see so much of the action. I'm actually the person that would prefer for it just to go to Commercial and then for us to come back and I felt this way with both with any a show that does this to be honest for me just because it really kind of takes me out of the match for me personally. And this was one of the things that I've heard some people say I go it doesn't bother them but a lot of the people have said that this is something that just go to commercial like for me that's just something that as a viewer for myself. That's just what I prefer but going back to the active. This is this is it works till that's why they keep doing it. Mmm, so I hear what you're saying. It keeps people tune done. Yeah. Yeah, they're not going to stop doing that. Yeah, cuz yeah, yeah, you you run that risk, even if it's a hot match once it goes to commercial. It's just people's attention spans. Are that short? Yeah, exactly. But yeah, it'll be it'll definitely be interesting to see how these Shape Up by next week because like you said like it could kind of go either way. I had heard that, you know, it's a sizable drop even given the holiday but It's yeah, we'll see. Well, I mean if you look at the past numbers if you compare both aw and NXT, they have been, you know, fairly close, you know, and some weeks, you know with you know, somebody winning by, you know, x amount of thousand viewers and wasn't really that big of a difference but this time like I think this is probably one of like the biggest gaps that we're seeing. So if you're aw right now and you're seeing this should you be worried? What is the game plan or the mentality that someone should have given in the situation like this that you want to make sure that hey next week, we're not seeing ourselves in the similar situation because you know, that's one of those things where I mean you want to take you want to take notice right Ike okay. We didn't do too good this week, but you know. Trying to figure out why that is if it was any other reasons besides, you know, it's the holidays and you know, it's raining in Miami or whatever fucking excuse. We want to come up with right. That was an old thing. Well, anyway, I was going to tell you a story about why we carve out of the old aw a promoter and his excuses when they didn't draw I see that empty chair the mother. Yeah, and I think I it seems like it would be a thing where obviously yeah you want to take stock of of why people are tuning out but Hopefully it doesn't get too distracting to be like, okay, how do we win here? Because you don't want like if you have a long-term plan something like this can like make you Veer off course, right? Right. That's not good. Right? Yeah. So if you're too focused on what the competitor is doing you start morphine yourself and maybe taking away some of your good qualities and this could be you know, obviously for either or shows if you know annexed he's keeping an eye on aw, aw on NXT. Either way. It's funny to me is like when somebody I'll go. Oh, no, we don't have their show on and our truck. Alright, well, if you don't you're stupid, right? Yeah. Yeah, you know like it's Come on. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, you want to kind of keep those are breasts. Yeah post. But yeah, so yeah, so and then I mean there was the one week where Smackdown went to FS1 and they had that really known low number and everyone made a big deal about it that week and then it turned out that hey next week we're back to normal. So this could be like again I think next week it's going to be like the probably wake of what is happening with that situation. So let's go ahead and move on to another topic. So biggie was I found this quite interesting. Stain because he was talking about this on the new day feel the power podcast where he was sort of talking about how you know backstage with creative. There's so many tears, you know, you have entry-level writers you have producers you have senior writers you have so many people that you know, there's certain times where you don't know who to go to for certain things and he mentioned that you know, there was a point where people thought that he was either boring or that he had that there was something missing about him, but the word never got back to him. He found out later that you know, there was all this feedback being given About him and meetings that never went to him and once it eventually did it was too late to change the minds of the minds of those people that mattered. So I guess with this like, what do you do when you're in that situation and you know, you don't know what sort of feedback is coming. First of all like you saying you got you have to know you're actually in that situation. Like if you don't know then you're like holy fuck. I mean you can't do anything about it, but I don't like to walk around oblivious to the fact that like this defeat. Act that's that you're getting or not personally right now. Yeah, that's what the word on you is this right now and then no one's being you know, yeah, and it's right up front her like, you know honest right right biggie, you know, he he was a FCW he was down there for four years, right? You know, that was that's a long time, you know, and it's like it's like Yeah, I honestly at that point like and I even told him this I'm like I was wrong about you. Like I didn't see anything for a lot. Like I just nothing bad but I just didn't see anything sticking out. Yeah, you know special and now obviously of course well and in situations like this, it's kind of a chicken or the egg situation because I it makes me wonder when this happened if it was, you know in FCW if it was when he was Dolph Ziggler's body guard. It makes me wonder. Okay, was he given the strong silent and Time character? Because they thought he was boring or did they think he was boring because he was given the strong silent type character part of it. You know what that the system was wasn't working. Very good. During that period of development of that MCW that was the demott and all that around there and like right kind of right before their event. Exactly. Exactly. So it's like easy people get lost in the shuffle or just you know, right Fall by the wayside, you know, like look at Omega right different guys, you know, yeah muchas Horas. Mmm, you know, they're used some of those guys were down there. And yeah. Yeah he NXT and I don't think he ever he ever was on TV. So yeah. Yeah, it's very much as just interesting like, you know again like you have to know you're in that situation and if you don't like what do you do and there was just I think it was also Xavier Woods who also mentioned that people kept telling them. Okay. We already have a Kofi you need to be something different. So he also mentioned that just be like only like room for one fucking you know, right? Right, right. No and he Did mention that in his verbiage that he did use about you know, being energetic and you know needing something different and that sort of thing, but it's just interesting because when you're put in that situation you start maybe questioning yourself too much and you're like, oh, how can I be different? How can I stand out but then, you know, it can sort of affect your performance. I think sure. All right. Yeah, I don't know what the psychic I mean I thought something that I just yeah, he basically just went on to say that more instant feedback from creative is something that you know would be a positive a pro. All right. Well, let's go ahead and move on. So this is another interesting story and I thought this one was a lot of fun because I thought that it could just bring up so many different stuff and it's so tomasa Champa had an interview with liquid Lillian Garcia on her podcast chasing glory and he basically he said that he went he when he was supposed to get moved up to the main roster is raw at or Smackdown that he fought the move really hard and that he actually said he would retire if he would go to raw or Smackdown and that he would prefer to become a coach or a producer because given the he said that basically, you know with his neck injury. He has limited bumps left in his career and he said he could either have a four year career at NXT or a one year career at RAR Smackdown given their schedule. So and then he also mentioned a story about Shawn Michaels laughing what at him and Johnny Gargano saying that he's never met a guy that would essentially say keep your money. We don't want it. So what are your thoughts on that and sort of the mentality where you know looking on the outside you think? Oh, everybody just wants to go to Raw SmackDown, but that's not the real. Yeah, not really and it's hard for a lot of people my age and you know, my generation and older generations to understand that because we were driven by money, I mean Not not me as much as some people like, you know, like have like like big calves, you know, very money word and really money and and that was a big driving force, but you know, man money doesn't spend very well. If you're not fucking happy, right? It's report people are you know, the younger Generations are realizing that there are more important things and people my age are scratching our heads about the fuck. We don't know. Deal with that right, you know because like you can't hold certain things over somebody's head, you know, right and and this this might be very good for good for top exactly and this might be a different conversation altogether but it begs the question that if we're all trying to talk about NXT being the main roster and iced tea being on equal footing as Raw SmackDown, which it should be then why aren't these guys being paid on equal footing as they're not generating the revenue? I see mmm, do you think once that that actually becomes a you know, they started generating the revenue that it's expected that they're going to you know, see some increase in the absolutely checks and whatnot. Yeah, I'm not gonna go into details but like there was it was it was addressed as far as like moving Merchant stuff just a different thing, you know with the new, you know TVD over and iced tea, you know how things are going to be different and you know certain things are going to change but certain things going to stay the same and right. Yeah, I'd like I definitely am not going into detail on sure you know, right? But it sucks to make guys have to choose between that you know between like okay. Can I get a long creatively creatively fulfilling career here for less money or you know likes the way it is. Yeah. Well, do you think that there's a lot of guys that you know, don't also don't think like Champa and Gargano that sort of up to r on Smackdown to Universe. I think they're I don't think I think there's different different trains of thought but depending on who you talk to Don there because NXT has you know a real like like there's young people there is like a real like it's a lot of different the demographic is is very Broad right before it took me a long time to get that out. You know, there's people that have just started that don't have any experiences people have been around forever. Even the roster of NXT is yeah, there's older people younger people, you know, right, you know, there's a few people that are pushing forward beyond that next your Oscar sure. So there's going to be different mentalities, right and there's some people that have military backgrounds that have a different mentality because of that, you know, So yeah, it's depends on who you talk to. Like. 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Also, make sure you follow us you never miss an episode of AfterBuzz TV. Yeah, and I'm sure there's also people that you know, Still sort of feeling like they need their shot or haven't gotten their shot on NXT yet because you know, there's so much talent down there and these something that mean we may not even know of or whatever but I just kind of feel like, you know, yeah like that makes more sense to me where it's like, okay, there's some guys that you know want to have this like, you know, it may be different because you know, tommaso Champa Johnny Gargano are guys that have the light on NXT versus other guys that haven't gotten that Lightyear that moment to have you know those impressive match. Has etcetera and all the stuff that they've been doing. So it is interesting to see sort of the mentality of that because I think instead of seeing it as a whole it really isn't, you know, and I think sometimes before this you don't really see that like this was to me like it shined a light on this, you know, because at first you would think okay, everybody wants to go to Robin's now but that's not the case. Yeah. I know that the next T roster is very proud. Yeah, and the the kind of matches that you see on takeover aren't the kind of matches you can see On unrar Smackdown and I think that's one of the great things about NXT is that it it offers such a different alternative. But yeah, it's tough even adding a whole nother hour to NXT. They've still got such a loaded roster that it's there's there's a there's you know on a long enough time line gonna be guys that the one thing that I'm I'm hoping. You know before NXT got the USA deal, you know, obviously it was looked at. You know, now we're trying to look at them as an equal. But you know on equal ground is SmackDown and Raw so that being said, hopefully the writers of SmackDown and Raw don't think they can just pluck fucking cherry pick Talent from NXT to put on their shows, right, you know. Yeah, his there was talk about certain, you know, we should you know, we're going to need this person. You know, I see how about fucking figure out what the do someone to people you already have on your own. Yeah, exactly. So do you just mean just like in like isolated? This is somebody's pot somebody's like, you know blowing up which okay, we're going to take them right and then fuck and then like not use them. Right right exactly, you know, so yeah. Well, that's probably why he said that he fought really hard. Not have that happen with the history of people moving from NXT that we're doing amazing and NXT to go to the main roster and then get they totally dropped the ball with them, right, you know, and for the most part it is that right? I just don't think it's always the talent, you know, but yeah, no leave him be Yeah, I think it's a tough situation to be in because you really do have to make some decisions I think is if you're offered the opportunity. Hey, we want you on Ron smack or raw or Smackdown and you're like, oh, well, I could get this more money, but then at the same time, it's like well, I'm not sure what's going to happen given, you know, so right sometimes I I look at it. Like when you're cooking something said piece a piece of meat if you cook it too fast, it gets burned on the outside and it's it's not done in the middle. Some people like it like that like me, but I'm just using an analogy like you have to take your time cooking that meat if you want to get a cook properly like you can't just you know. Can't rush it. I do sometimes and like you they're in a bind so they have to push somebody passed and they want but yeah, you know, it's ideally, you know, you gotta let things simmer, you know, whatever right? What seems like it feels like that's the plan given how much attention has been brought to them right now with the build with Survivor Series, you know, the you know, when they had they came in on Smackdown and all of that stuff given the circumstances but still like it seems like they're really trying to you know, really build up any And get that more viewership from Raw and SmackDown over to NXT. And you know how build that hey, so can we talk about how they're trying to just pretend like Shayna baszler didn't win the fucking Main Event right at Survivor Series? Yeah. Yeah. I had an issue that as well. Well, I found my we'll talk about that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah boy your thoughts on that stupid it will it's I think that I feel like that kind of happens every year with the Survivor. Series build weird so like when when when Becky did got the win over Ronda and and Charlotte like she be both of them. Hmm. I beat you both right Shayna beat you both, right? Yeah, but it's like we I think we talked about this last week as as soon as as Shannon celebrated Becky instantly attacked her and she was the ones that bad look to yeah. She was the one that closed down Mission just look so Patti. I got ya did not like that at all. I didn't like that for back because I'm a Becky. And absolutely and I think we talked about this too is that it felt inconsistent with that character like that that character wouldn't wouldn't be there like a whiny like yeah. Yeah sore loser. And so yeah for for as much as them like winning the war at Survivor Series like, okay, what did what did they win? Yeah, what do they get for that? I mean, I was the same issue was it last year Survivor Series where Smackdown didn't win anything other than the pre-show match and then no one talked about it after it's been the issue for all. A long time like that's why that's why it makes no sense. When whenever November comes around everyone gets fiercely loyal about the show that they're on and then no other time of year to be Stakes. I think yeah, exactly something where the brand is like. Okay, like Greg dark side, right? Right. Like let's set our side our issues and join up because I can understand that, you know, like let's join up as a brand so that I don't know this and that can happen. Right and that's what made it even even harder to get invested in is because NXT does so well with their Ruiz and creating these heated rivalries that they've got guys that are sworn enemies on the same team just because they're on the same show, right? Yeah. So yeah, I don't know it's just me too and I don't mind the the, you know, everyone being in together, but man when they're all coming out with the same t-shirt, it's just right. Well it is for me exactly concurrent. You know, we had we had the women's world. Or games match which we talked about last week. It was this amazing brutal Affair you sure Ryan Kesler a on opposite sides. They absolutely be the shit out of each other and then they're like best friends the day after because they're wearing yellow. Yeah. I'm not red or blue like as soon as simple as something, you know, like the I think a buddy of mine Brandis rather rights for up Roxy and Brandon. Yeah. He had suggested like, you know, the number 30 spot the Royal Rumble or the main event at WrestleMania something like that something. In jabal that it's like okay. This is what we're fighting for. Brandon's a good writer. He's great some I'll I really like his style. Yeah, definitely interesting stuff. Yeah. Well, where were we you said you didn't like the t-shirts and we're talking about how to chop steaks not when they send everybody out like that. Like it's I used to hate it like right would be like, you know, just you feel like you're browned out. Yeah, it makes it hard but you would see her. Undertaker going out doing that. You wouldn't see stone-cold. Like there's certain people just knew not even fucking ask of it. Exactly and when everyone's coming out in red shirts and jeans or blue shirts and jeans it gets hard to distinguish like okay, who is that coming out like until the announcer say like, oh that's Cesaro. You know, that's Ricochet and it just it looks like here just put the shirt on real quick. Right? Right, right. All right next. All right. So our last story that we have for the day is actually another interesting one. So the end of November this past weekend, we had Russell Cade and apparently there was supposed to be a match between Rosemary Tessa Jordan grades and Taya but Tessa was eventually replaced by Soo-young but that's not the story. The story is essentially that Jordan Grace tweeted on Twitter and she basically said that the Sandman went up to her and basically told her That women main Eventing is wrong given the women were supposed to be main Eventing at the rest locate show and that any male wrestler with any sort of experience would agree. Of course this prompted lots of people to come back and give it their opinions Jericho said that he didn't agree Osprey said that the women have the most Innovative and exciting stuff than ever before and to not interfere with the progress and obviously Tessa Blanchard obviously had her comments on that as well. Here's the only thing is it's that's not gonna interfere with anything progress or anything. Else that's just fucking Sandman. I just don't think the thing is is like regardless of whether you believe that or not and that's your view point the fact that you thought like it was good to go. Share that opinion with the ladies that are actually going out there what the right unsolicited attack apropos. Nothing. Come on, man. Some of us just yeah, that's pretty wrong. I just feel like you can have your personal opinions closed doors, you know, that's fine have your opinion whatever but to go out and say it to someone's Like that's horrible. That's what he's saying. Yeah, like what would possess you to just like best case scenario? Like what like what did you expect was gonna happen? Like, oh, you're right. Well the motivation what a fucking motivational speech broken that's are heading out to the rig fuck sad because like one of the things that you know as talked about a lot for women is that you know, a lot of us are always be afraid of being rude being considered, you know, the b word likable or unlikable. So sometimes we take things and we don't say things back even though you know, it's I messed up but it's like oh, I don't want them to think. I'm not a nice person or you know this and that exactly. So if someone comes up to you and says that like what do you do like, you know, obviously this depends on every woman there's a lot women that are a lot more flavor but like me, I would be like, I'm like wow. Yeah. Tessa went out and shot on him on the mic before before the match. So I really yeah. Yeah. Yeah exactly. Yeah. So at least yeah someone yeah, but the line that killed me it was the part where he said Real wrestler with any sort of experience would agree like why try and pigeonhole all men that that's the thing like people that have views like that are gonna think that they're just speaking the truth. I have a bit of experience and I have a dissenting opinions. They got there you go, you know, it's obviously I don't know him. I don't know the content of his character but like even every every great villain always thought that they were speaking the truth that they were doing the right things. Like of course, he's gonna think like, oh everyone agrees with me, you know, it just No one wants to say it right? But yeah, it's rough. It's not a great one. Yeah, somebody had put Jericho or someone responding to Jericho. Yeah, that's hilarious. No one likes to be called that but yeah, yeah a lot of Paradigm if the shoe fits that's my that's my nickname for Michael Bloomberg. Okay Boom Burger. I usually don't mention Politics on the show right this fucking guy. Yeah. So yeah. Anyways, that's the latest on everything that's been going on here. And so that was just an interesting topic. Yeah. Yeah. All right, Jeff. Oh, hey. Hey, I was in a movie last night. Nice sign nda's. I can't really talk about it, right. It was great. But even just doing that. Have you done movies before couple nice eyes. Yeah. Is that something you'd like to To start doing more of or is just just like was this just something fun to do. Well, I will say this Eli Roth told me I should do movies. Nice. There you go. I love you Laura you lied about I was in a scene with Eli Roth. I'll say that much. There you go. No, it's funny though, because when I got your text, I was already asleep, but I woke up. Yeah, what's up, and I read it and I was like, okay and I made mental notes inside my head, but when I woke up in the morning like we did I dream that or Really happened, like what's happening? So I went on and I was like, okay got a reread what I read have the best time it was so and it's along those are long days. Like people like making movies is hard long fucking work and and you have a ton of respect for it. And you know, I just I loved it. It was so great got to dress up and you know I come and I can't go into details. Oh my God, it was so fun. That'll be cool. And then comes out. Five that's and it's going to be so cool to see it. You know their product. Yeah. Hell yeah should do a reaction video react to that that is actually saying and be like, yeah, you should do a lot. So on commentary hey reaction videos do very well. It's true say hey, so coming up. Is it son? I think it's yes Sunday December 15th. I'm going to be at the wrestling guy store. Are there you go. Yeah. We're going to Christmas tree up and lose going to be there with me and Take you know, bring the family to Christmas pictures and just like last year. Yeah, it was fun. The some people showed up last year and like two weeks notice here - it's a good little spot. I've been to their star plenty of times and it's a nice fun place to go and you know, see what's going on there with all the Urgent stuff. We're and where's that again? Then Huntington Huntington Park. There you go. There you go. So yeah 15 and Huntington Park come check it out. Yeah, that's great. What else that's all we have like a missing something we only yeah, we only we got a couple episodes left in the year. That's right. Y'all I think what do we more? We got smart. We got two more left in the air and then we're and then we're on Hiatus until the second until the 2nd of January. Hey, did anyone watched arcade? No, I didn't I didn't watch my brother was also yeah. Yeah, that's and I think that's kind of I wish there was more of a more of a push for it, but I don't think it's arcade didn't really affect what we saw in Ron following week in terms of like the storyline. Anything like that point should I yeah, that's what I'm saying feel like whether you watched or not. It was at that I had heard a lot of people say it was just kind of a glorified House show which which sucks given the legacy of of Stark it was there a set and everything or was it like that one woman's pay-per-view where they just kind of animal it may it may have been minimal. I know I think there was only like three matches on it. There was there's three matches. There was a segment the Kevin Owens Show with Ric Flair. And yeah, it seemed pretty pretty short. So yeah, I don't know but still alright. Well, we'll be back next week. Hey, so hold on Jeff. I'm getting trigger-happy. Thank you guys. Sorry never know where we go. Anything parting words. Yes. Do not forget to subscribe to the channel youtube.com / Xbox were on Spotify. Anchor Stitcher. You Name It We post the links up. Sure to follow us on Twitter at xpac one to 360 show both on Twitter and on Instagram for myself youtube.com slash g Salcedo at underscored Denise Allstate on Instagram and Twitter. Yeah, yeah, y'all can buy me at time at these PMA as well as the The Purge after show tonight the wheedling got a couple episodes left and yeah come check it out. If you did you see the new Watchman the latest episode know you only shit job. Did you see it? 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Hey guys, what's going on? This is episode 8 of the unprofessional podcast. And today I've got Johnny Lee on the show Johnny owns a number of businesses, including a handful of restaurants in La as well as being a stock investor and an online educator think you're going to really enjoy this episode and be challenged to think about your personal finances when it comes to investing. Let's Jump Right In. So Johnny, thanks for jumping on the show. I'm excited to hear from you and chat with you all things business andVested how you doing today? Pretty good. I had a flight that was really late last night. It was delayed, but I finally got home and I'm tired today, but there's too many things going on. So I can't I can't really rest that much. Yeah. Yeah totally kill. So for those who are less than the only movie introduce yourself on share a bit about what you are involved in. Yeah, so, my name is Johnny. I go by Walton the street and maybe I'll explain that later. But yeah, I live in Los Angeles. I'm a I'm a business owner or multi business owner or whatever you want to call it. I have been working in television and film I've been working in technology. I've been trying a lot of different Industries for very long time. As a guess as a career path to whatever you want to call it. But yeah, I like trying a lot of new things if there's something I see out there that I feel like I can add value to or maybe have a slightly different Vision that could use something I try to use the skills. I have or the skills. I think I have to bring In value to things so if a friend says hey, I have this idea and this is how far we've gone with it. What do you think and and I love I love when that happens because I can use what I know and use what I what I think can be used well to to help somebody and businesses. So beyond my own businesses, I've helped in various capacities launched a lot of other businesses for four friends and It says over the past ten years. So nice kills you you're out in your own sort of spin or flivver to those kind of existing businesses as well as being involved in your room. Yeah, you know I started with doing marketing and this is before s MMA was such a big thing. No, you know like these days on Instagram ten-year-old kid says, I'm a marketing genius, you know, I'll get you whatever you need, you know, like it's You see zillions of them and and hey more power to em, you know, everybody learns doing it a certain way and doing a some kind of thing like that. And then later on they realize oh, it's kind of funny that we started that way and they find themselves in much better places just because they decided to start something. So I did a marketing business a while back and I just felt like some of the I put too much or not too much but I put a lot of heart and passion into it. So when people would say Hey, how do we Market this product? I would I would really like bend over backwards to figure it out for them and you give them a whole plan and you give them a whole like layout and project management, but it really comes down to the owner themselves. A lot of times. The owner themself wasn't a type of person to execute those ideas, you know, so if someone says hey I have I have this product. I have 5,000 of them. Them like how do I Market it or what do I do with it? And a lot of times I would lay out this thing and spend hours and hours saying this is like how to do it and I think it'll be successful. If we do it this way or at least it has a chance of success. If we do it this way and a lot of times they would say wow that's amazing. But you know, they're not cut out to really be that way. That's why they asked me to help in the first place, right? Yeah, so I felt like I was giving away too much of my Energy and maybe some of my ideas to people that I didn't that I realized cannot really execute those things. Yeah, and you can't you got to have both if you're going to be alone. Sorry gotta have both got to have the ideas and the execution and a lot of people had the operation ability, but that doesn't you know, I can make a hamburger, but that doesn't mean I can sell it right. So yeah, I I decided you know what I'm going to do it myself and I find that a lot. I find that in real estate. I find that in just So many Industries, you know you work for a company and then you go. You know what I should just do this myself. I'm I'm one of the you know, I'm doing well in this Arena might as well. Yeah. Yeah, like putting 40 hours or 50 hours in for this company and they're doing great and partly because of your success. Why not, you know Branch out and put 80 hours or 60 hours or whatever 10 hours a week into your own thing and see where it can go and so I did exactly that and and yeah, I feel like a it it has really helped me learn a lot more and now I find my self in this place where I'm kind of this consultant to any small business that needs help. You know, they tell me this is what phase I met, you know, whether its funding or location searching or or some question about construction or you know, should I go with this guy or that guy, you know, yeah, so people a lot of people end up asking me for help and I just They DM me and I just give people help. I just say this is what I would do. This is what I think and and you know, if it doesn't work come back and let's try something else. So yeah, nice one cool. Yeah, I've read obviously under Instagram and also on your LinkedIn and stuff that you have your hand and a couple of restaurants and I think actually I check one or two of the might notice that you've been featured on on the res mm large food blog. Or whatever and I think it was a pizza and the pizza just looked in C and like it was Dripping cheese and I was like, I want to go there. Hey, yeah, so you want to maybe just talk about your your restaurants or yeah, you know restaurant business and it's probably similar to pretty much everyone in the world restaurant business is one of the essential small businesses of the world because you know, it covers one of the basic things that we need. Need in life. So, you know, that's why real estate is such a big thing because it's shelter. We for the rest of our lives. We will seek it. We don't even think about that. If you if you have a full-time job and you're doing pretty decent you're probably paying rent somewhere or you're paying a mortgage somewhere. You'll seek after shelter for their life. Nobody goes through life and says, you know what? I'm not gonna I'm not going to live anywhere anymore. You know, nobody think nobody says that no one thinks that you know, yeah, but but you know, Small business in restaurants for me is really about fun. You know, I I open a burger shop called meet Zilla and I didn't expect it to you know, this is what I want to do for the rest of my life. I hardly ever approach anything that way just because it puts too much pressure on myself and what I what I think I'm doing I feel like it's better to say, you know what I want to try this I'm going to have fun. I'm going to learn a lot and if it works great if it Isn't I still take away a lot from it? Yeah, it's we ourselves parents. Yeah, and also I love Burgers. I don't know. I'm trying not to be the what is it as quintessential American here. I am Korean American but I'm trying not to be the most American person of all time. But but yeah, I love burgers and burgers and pizza and ice cream and all that kind of stuff is is working class food and and the way I know that is because Pizza you can and poor people eat pizza, you can go and have like a fancy Gourmet Chef made pizza at a fancy restaurant for you know, 30 40 dollars and it'll taste amazing or you can go to any pizza shop around the corner and it's like two to three dollars per slice or something like that or if you go to New York really cheap pizza there, you know, and you can have that too and there are people of all socioeconomic backgrounds that Eat at those places, you see people in suits and you see people just you know, young kids just go in there after school. You see them in all different places. So I love working class food personally. I just feel like you get diversity in that you get so many people thinking about owning like a fine dining place especially here in Los Angeles is is just the most Dreadful sounding thing to me. I'm not saying it's not there's not people very successful doing it because there clearly is but the middle ground where people are just breaking even That pretty much makes up the majority of the people that are in that restaurant business. It's just you get by you get you you break even and you do the best you can and and that's the case for a lot of businesses. So restaurant business is tough as nails, but I'm having fun with it because you know, we've been on a lot of media outlets and I've never been on TV so many times in my life for a burger or for a pizza, you know, and you know it and it's not about for me personally speaking on. On food, it's not about making something viral just for the sake of making a viral. I want to make something that's viral. But I also want to do something that tastes good in one regard and then also the ingredients so like our Burgers we don't use anything frozen. I have nothing against Frozen places because I've been to places that have a really quick Frozen, you know Patti and they they throw it on a grill with tons of wool. I've had that kind of burger before and I like that kind of murder but I didn't want to do that myself. So we use Hundred percent fresh no Frozen Angus Chuck beef. There's no and it just tastes better. That way. We season it freshly right before we throw it on the grill. There's no pre that sort of stuff. We hand had them down and everything ourselves. And so and yeah, I just I don't try to just do it run-of-the-mill and I think people appreciate that and if even if it was frozen patties people would still love it, but it's just more of a thing that I want to do personally. I could probably make more My money if I didn't choose to do it fresh, but it's not necessarily about money. It's it's about doing something fun. And and I realized it has brought a lot of public trust. You know, there's a lot of people online that on Instagram or YouTube. That's like hey, you know, check out my book or check out my ebook or check out my this or that and there's nothing else on the in the world about them except for that. Yeah people who live in Los Angeles or In the states or for nearby enough for who know, Los Angeles they go. Hey, I want to learn from you because I see what you're doing. I saw you on TV, you know, so it brings credibility I go. Yeah. I'm just I'm just a regular guy and but you saw me on TV because I was able to do something successful enough to be there whether that's food or whatever. And so there's public trust they start they trust you and and and that barrier is the hardest thing you can sell the most. Honest product but until people trust you. You're just another person to them. So that's why I like restaurants. So yeah, I'm actually just a fondling but I was talking about it's the meat seller you call it, but he's on Food Network. You don't thought well, that's right. I can see that. It's like a almost like a pizza burger. Yeah. So, you know II had a this is kind of cliche and dumb but it's just the truth when we were opening the restaurant I said, you know what? I had this dream last night that we can we can make the bun. We take the top bun of the burger flip it over add add add a house-made sauce at a house and an egg cheese and then we hand-cut little these little mini pepperonis. I'm sure the way we do it is labor intensive, but that's just the way we've always done it so we can cut out these little mini pepperonis out of large pepperonis and and we toast it and we put on top of the burger and you it's called meatza style and you can get that. On any Burger you want nice and I'm sure a bunch of Stoners and a bunch of young high school kids have already thought of this long time ago, and I'm probably sure that it's somehow came from my childhood as well, you know, because it's you know, you're combining stuff and you know, who what what person doesn't think that that's crazy but delicious but it seems heavy at first when you look at it, you know, it looks like this microwave or this toaster oven pre frozen pizza. That you would get at a at a grocery store, but it's actually not it's actually the top bun which is it actually really soft and Squishy. So I'm looking I'm looking out of right now. I'm glad I haven't had dinner yet and it's make me hungry. Yeah, it's really good. And you know, we have a burger called Kim Park lie, and it has like a Korean barbecue beef called bulgogi on it, and it's really really good. So and and I tribute a lot of this to my Are his name is James? And yeah, he's not a you know, he didn't have any formal Chef training. We know how to put ideas together and just throw it out there and if it works it works and if it doesn't it doesn't but for the most part all the ideas we've put out there and not just our ideas but some of our staff the ideas they put out there, you know, we give them free rein. You have a cool idea. Let's do it. Let's make it the burger of the week. You know. Yeah, and they'll just do it if it sticks. This will bring it back or we'll keep it on the menu. I'm always open to it. I don't have to be the chief Visionary and creative person. Yeah, it's whoever killed and I realized like having something creative makes people more creative. They look at our pizza burger and go. Wow, anything is possible and then it spawns a whole world of people. So the there's a hashtag called pizza burger and because that's what everybody called what we were making. Now you see restaurants all around the entire world who do who are doing just almost the exact same thing they and and you know, we see them they follow us on Instagram. And then we see them rolling that out temporarily or permanently on their menus and and you know, it doesn't offend us at all. We think it's we think it's great and we think it's hilarious. Yeah. I love it. That's who kills who I did you did you haven't run interesting restaurants when your growing up or how did you initially actually get your foot in the door? Because I think a lot of people have been listening to this podcast will want to know like Heidi acted get into launching and own in and being successful in an actual restaurant. You know, that idea right through the carving it. Well. Well, it's my it's how I bring it's how I bring value. I think it really comes down to that. So, you know someone who's listening to this who say in their And they're like, yeah, I'm working full time. I want to start my own business and and they did and they're not talking about business. We're like some kind of a side hustle that they have to like put in a lot of marketing work, but they lot of people just want to open a restaurant a lot of people just want to open a shipping store that carries all the major carriers that you know, people just want to run small businesses small business is the backbone of the entire world, right and it's really value so I'll tell you the quick story of meat Zilla and and you know, I rarely tell this story but basically my partner and I and we weren't Partners at the time but my you know, we were talking about opening a like a burger pop up in our part-time and we didn't want to do a food truck. And so, you know in certain Financial districts in in Los Angeles and pretty much all over the United States and probably all over the world these Financial districts closer. They don't they don't stay open after like 3 or 4 p.m. Because you know these people these people who work in accounting and lawyers and and Financial Banks and stuff. They go home they go home and eat dinner at home or they have dinner later tomorrow. So since like lunchtime Traders and yeah exactly it's like a lunchtime place. So I found a lunchtime place that was run by some some immigrants and they like to close early and I was thinking in my head. Hey you guys close literally at two o'clock like you start cleaning at 1:00, 1:30 you You know when your lunch rush is a getting close to over and they close about 2:30 3 o'clock every day and they can be flexible. They'll if there's no customers. I'll just close that too. Yeah, so I asked them. Hey, could I take over from 4:00 to midnight in your kitchen? I will give you so basically you do nothing. We will clean we will you know, obviously some of your equipment will have more wear and tear but but we will pay you some rent money or whatever. Yeah. Yeah, every Burger we sell you're going to get 25% of it, right something like that and they love that idea because they're like we don't have the energy or time to do work that long and we don't even have the know-how or anything to attract enough people to stick around to justify those hours. And that's where I said I do. I know how to make a product in terms of food. I wouldn't say viral because things get viral and they die. I quickly but something that can last so something that can be like exciting but last a little bit longer whether that's a year or two years or little so I think it's adding value to them what they saw is not knee proposing. Hey, let me have your stuff. Let me have a handout. Let me do something. Let give me something it was more like hey, I'm going to give you more money sit back relax and watch the money come in and then I'm going to have a lot of fun and my partner's. Have a lot of fun doing our own concept and it's going to be out of the same place. Yes, when win yeah, they do breakfast and different types of items in the morning. And then we move some of that stuff and we do kuber so that's the idea. And if anyone's listening to that that's like the biggest hack I could share with anyone is that look for people that have underutilized assets that you can put in place because chances are people don't have tons of money laying around just to open a restaurant because restaurants first of all are extremely hard businesses. Yeah, and then having the capital to just risk risk all that is really really difficult. You have to make very very calculated risks and I feel like that's one of the most calculated things you go somewhere go. Hey, you know what? This old couple is there they're sort of like winding down and they run like a small shop during the day. What if I can turn that shop into something for the last like four hours of the day and do some kind of cool like quick quick service like Spot or late-night spot they will get more money. And as long as we keep it clean the relationship keeps going and and then after a month we can say hey, we love this pop-up. Can we make something more formal? And and you know, we'll keep giving you the same deal and but let's just extend it and they'll say of course, we love ghetto money. We wake up in the morning. Everything is clean and and we'll make it more money doing less, right? Yeah. So that's one of the ways I approached it. I just felt like that maybe AdSense I looked at this place and I said it's underutilized. So I walked to another place and I saw this burger shop and it was and I just casually had a conversation with them and I said how much money are you guys making Revenue every day? It will how about we attempt crease that and they said well, how are you going to do that? And I said, well we're going to have a different menu in my opinion a little bit better to the changing tastes and of the area, right? A lot of young people in the area I live in and and I can take that and and really do something with it and they said so the sales will grow and I said, yeah, but the popularity will grow as well because we know how to do marketing we know how to bring in Instagram we know how to do all this these kinds of things to do that and we can literally apply those things the principles and all the stuff we've learned about that. We can apply it to anything products or food or whatever it is. And so they agreed they said Okay, so let's do Do it and so I partnered with them and we basically took over there their spot. And and we the first year we just did crazy numbers. It was it was amazing. They've never seen numbers like that before and I and I gave him what I was able to sort of promised to them. I said look you're going to get more Revenue but you don't have to do as much and and yeah, I didn't here's a here's a secret for everyone. I spent not a gold dime on that Also weird I didn't spend any money on it because it didn't make sense to you know, if I'm going to spend a bunch of money on and really do something. I'll just do it on my own but I saw an opportunity I said, hey we're going to put in nothing, but we're going to bring something that will bring you more money. So it's just adding value to their life, you know. Yeah. It's like one of those consultant guys who goes to somebody and says if you just give me if you just give me a part of your business I Turn your business double. Yeah, I mean who's gonna say no to that especially if that person has credibility and I was able to show that credibility through the through the marketing that I did with my marketing business. So that's where that really tipped it over they looked at and go. Okay so we can be popular on on on social media and I said, yeah and and and I was right we were we did really great and we're on all these things local news national news and and like you said food work and so that's really worked. Well for us does that mean the business will stay open for 5 years? No, it doesn't mean anything. It just means that we can enjoy what we have now and do our best and and if it doesn't work out we move on and if it does we just we just keep going, you know, and we're having fun with it and and you know their struggles so it's not all fun. Of course their struggles are there difficulty, but you find really good people find out what they're good at and then and then bring them in and and and plug them in. I'm Good at cooking. Yeah, I don't know how to make the burgers in our place. I know the ingredients but I don't make them if I try to do it I will delay our delivery orders. I will delay our whole operation. It's pointless to try to do that yourself. A lot of entrepreneurs try to do that. They go like I'm a I'm a jack-of-all-trades. I'm gonna do this. I'm gonna do this and and they end up making not a great product because they're quite frankly just not good at that part of it, you know and restaurant owners, especially here in Los Angeles. They are not great with Instagram or with Facebook or with whatever it is. So that's partly why there's so many of these s MMA, you know, social media marketing agencies that are just run by some 22 year old kid. We will finish the names Instagram and marketing. Yeah, and and they do and they do great. Like I have my colleague who's my marketing business partner. His name's Andrew. Shout out to Andrew he's and he came to me last year. I met him in the summer last year and he goes. Okay. What do you do? He did the typical which is really smart. He goes. Hey, I want to buy you coffee, and I want to know what you do and we talked and then he said I want to do marketing. And I said are you sure do you really want to do it? Because if you really want to do it I'm going to we're going to do it and he said I really do so I said, okay, you better be ready two weeks later. We got our first $13,000 or twelve thousand dollar contract and he's been running it ever since so nice quality. So in terms of In terms of food. Wonder if you have any insight on what are the major sort of trans or upcoming, you know popular foods if you like La correct me if I'm wrong, but it feels like it's maybe a place where these kind of Trends all sort of kick off. Is that right or what? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's really New York and la and and places like London and Tokyo and you know places that are already heavily Instagram. Places that are already heavily put on Snapchat and Facebook they are already that so everything they're already gets that exposure. So it's a great place to launch. That's why everybody moves here, you know, they start getting like 20,000 30,000 40,000 50,000 YouTube subscribers, whatever the topic of their channel is and then they and then they are moving to LA because you know YouTube is here and they have a lot of support here and in the community is Big here, but the competition is very high. For me, I like to take what already exists. And try to do it in a different way like that sort of thing like the burgers or the or the pizza, you know, people come to my pizza restaurant and and I remember my partner at my pizza restaurant, which is a different partner. His name is Henry went when I said, hey, we're going to do this onion fried onion bloom thing on a pizza and he said he looked at me and Korean it's called healing which means big brother. He looked at me and goes basically said big brother. I don't think this is a good idea. Are you sure and he Couldn't visualize it. So we made it and I looked at it. I said okay make it one more time make it twice. So we made it a few times and I said that's it. And then we squeak. He said let's squeeze squeeze this delicious like house-made white garlic sauce on it and we put it all over it and and we tested it and now almost every other table orders it well, but so it's what I it's for me, it's sometimes like it's what we come up with is the trend, you know, like that's what people need to think about a lot of people see Trends and go. Okay, how can I Mark how? An I capitalize on that and it and that can work or you can just be the person that says I'm just going to make a trend and tell people that it's the best and the greatest and and make them that Trend and I have more experience making something a trend rather than capture went on the bandwagon. Yeah, because a burger is a burger. So I just yeah I said I just want to make this more exciting I regular burger. I still love I've never had a burger. I didn't like that goes with pizza and tacos right now in La tacos is having a another tacos is Been popular, but now it's just extra extra popular. But you know what's happening here and then I'm sure it's like that for many of the Metro bigger big metros in the world vegan food. Mmm food, but but not just like a vegan restaurant right? Because if you had a vegan restaurant it can be I don't want to say intimidating. It can be a little like daunting because you don't you don't know you don't know what stuff is made a lot of vegans. Who go there. They go there and they go okay. Yeah, I've seen this this is what this is made out of this is this kind of thing, right? But if You're not vegan or you're thinking about being vegan or vegetarian you go to these places and it's like okay. I don't get it. It's very it's expensive and I'll get so I think the next big thing is vegan niched foods. So for instance vegan burger shops that are just Burger shops. They're not, you know, they don't have vegan salad and vegan like, you know this and that stuff made out of tofu or specifically something specifically something and I feel like That's happening in fourth. I'm sorry. I'm not trying to sound Visionary. It is happening are opening a vegan burger shops that look just like your here and here and here in California. It's called in and out or they they look like the same presentation of Shake Shack. So it's like give me Shake Shack visuals for my Instagram, but give me vegan because I'm vegan. Yeah, and and they're just combining that so so a lot of Restaurants have vegan pizza. They have like a vegan burger and they have like vegan salad and they have like 3024 ever amount of items that are all vegan. But that's a vegan restaurant. I'm talking about make a burger shop. That's also vegan that just happens to be vegan so that everybody can enjoy so there so I don't know the statistics, but I feel like a lot of people who go to those vegan burger restaurants are not vegan. Yeah, but they might be people who want to be a little bit healthier. So they assume that it's a little bit healthier, although it's not necessarily healthier. There's a lot of sodium in that stuff. But but but yeah and you know, beyond meats and impossible food Beyond me. It's just had their IPO three weeks ago and four weeks ago and they're obviously kicking bud and their market cap is gone ballooning crazy. But but yeah, I mean, it's clear that there's a need in a demand for it in another way and then as the world is more like conscious to plant-based and you know, we got to take care of our oceans and you know, that's everything's getting bigger and more. People are getting more. Where are people doing more about it. I don't know but at least people are becoming more aware, you know, if you throw this plastic bag in the ocean this Turtles gonna like choke on it, like people are becoming more aware of that. They you know, you kind of always known that stuff but like, you know, it's now in your face all the time and we're problems. Yeah. Yeah, and so I'm one thing that doesn't exist in La is that that I know of is a is a something that's so popular right now is hot chicken right like spicy. Or yeah, like really spicy chicken, you know, you go to the South and in the US and obviously that's always been a thing but it's becoming more popular in La like it's been around for the past few years in La hot chicken like you open another hot you can shop you're gonna come it doesn't matter if it's good or not people still come because they just want hot chicken. So my idea is to bring that to vegan food, right? Yeah, and I see people starting to do that. They don't own brick and mortars, but they own like Up shops and food trucks and I feel like whoever is the first to do that and open like a fried chicken hot, you know vegan place. Yeah, that is just like a burger shop. But just that you know, like a Chick-fil-A. I don't know if you have you get together. Yeah, actually we don't have it here. But any time I'm in the state's. Yeah, I'll make a boil and it's like the Chick-fil-A of vegan chicken, right like vegan like a vegan place that's like that whoever does that first I think is going to really do awesome and I Lee, you know this is this is between us and all your listeners, I'm personally looking for a business that is doing that and doing that well, and I'd love to partner with them to bring their current, you know, if it's delicious of course, but if to jump in and go hey you guys do this. Well, I do this. Well, let's partner and see what we can do. Well together right so nice. I'm I'm currently on your Korean Time Pizza Company and scram. Yeah, it's making me even hungrier. I wonder can we maybe jump topics completely? Yeah, I kind of followed you a bit and consume the bit of your content the Rind investing and I've enjoyed kind of watching the Clips that you put up on, you know, thinking through actually what you consume in in terms of products services, and I think your latest film was that, you know, everyone goes to the article in America like your Supermarket or the mall. Yeah the malls right, you know everyone goes to the mall, but actually, you know, there's these companies or maybe rear its or whatever that accion these models and that you write a sneeze and actually not just be a consumer but you know invest in the companies behind it and capitalize you know, and right they'll go to the mall, but you know generally touch on that briefly. Yeah. So so I feel like people who have approached me individuals all over the world, right? And I know you get this to you get probably just zillions of DM. People just what do I do? How do I invest in you know, and and I think people are even if you teach them they they stop because you know, I can't expect them to go. Here's how to invest and then for them to just do it. I want to the rustler life. Yeah, you want them to but then here's what they do. They go on Instagram. They go on stock twists. They go on Forbes. They go on any news and and And then they just get so confused because it's like okay. This guy Johnny on Instagram is telling me to invest into real estate and specifically maybe this company or whatever and and then they read articles. It's like oh this company might do bad next year. Yeah, or you know, there's just so much opinions. Yes is so costly. Yeah. Listen to too many opinions. Yeah, listening to many voices and getting consumed by Yeah, and I all the news exactly and I think that's the problem. They step they walk themselves into mud or quicksand and they get stuck and then they just go you know what this isn't for me. I'd rather keep my money safe in the bank and I tell them look these articles in these news places. They're written to get your attention so that you can click their buttons and and give them advertising dollars. I will share the Little they'll write anything if you look at if you go to Google news and type anything about any stock type Google half the Articles will say Google stock is is is obviously great and here's all the good things about Google and then half of them will be like, oh Google is its they have they not innovating they got nothing anymore. They're terrible about abla like it's crazy and then people go. Yeah Google and they start to believe that and I go what are you talking about? You use Google every you give them your eyeballs every day and you give them money every day in the form of advertising dollars for their advertisers. Every single day like multiple times a day hundreds of time for me like 10 15 20 50 times a day. You know, I'm always given them my money, you know and are given them my eyeball so that they can profit from their advertisers, right? So it's weird that people down that so that's why I'm starting kind of big I'm not saying hey build a portfolio out of like five companies, but I'm telling people. Hey, just think about it you go to malls you spend money at malls and somebody owns this Ginormous place that may be staring at a fountain, you know enjoying the food Corridor or you know, some kind of a thing they're doing their right? Yeah, and you're just people watching like literally people go there get some air conditioning people watch and they go to a store and they just oh I Spend some money doing it and the way I think of it as like okay you like Gap close Gap clothing. Okay, maybe buy some Gap stock. If you think they're doing. Well right do some research check it out. So when you buy the clothing you're also profiting from it you're profiting from it. Let let let the company gaps growth. Give you money that you can buy the clothes. But who is Gap paying rent to write Gap doesn't own that or they're paying rent us a bunch of dudes bunch of people bunch of families and companies and investment Capital firms, right and vet. So one of the biggest ones in the united the definitively biggest mall owner in in United States and one of the largest in the world for malls specifically or shopping center specifically is is Simon right. And so that's why I said I said don't just don't just shop at malls invest in them because if you're going to go to malls for the rest of your life, like I see young people at malls and old people they've been going to malls that our whole life, right? You're going to be doing that somebody's profiting from that and it may as well be you because you probably have money sitting in the bank get away. Right and it's and so I just I'm trying to get people to see it very simply like here's a mall somebody's making money from a mall. You can make that money to great give if exposure to it and see what happens and and it blows people might I get messages from people going. Oh my gosh. I never I never thought of it that way. I didn't even know you can buy into to property company like that and get a piece of the action whether it be small or big, you know, I just never knew that and and you know, it's the same with cloud cloud technology is everything right now. We're doing this this call on anchor because it allowed right. It's all As a cloud where are all those data centers because they're not actually in the cloud. They're all on land somewhere and they need redundancy and they need multiple centers in multiple points who runs all that. I think I think Google technically doesn't run all yeah, right. It's run by somebody that Google pays. Yeah, totally I think yeah. My mind said is shifted kind of towards just what you're saying. They're over the pastor of year or two, maybe even three in terms of like know wherever I go whatever products I buy. Or Services, I consume I'm like who's actually behind this and maybe it's even just yeah, it's just such a like a mindset a mindset shift. But like whenever you go to the grocery store and you buy like, I don't know like toilet roll or wipes or you know, and I think yeah end up like looking at the packaging and being like Oh, it's like, you know Procter and Gamble and it's just like it act like actually messes with your mind you start to like not actually look at the prices of things but actually like Company behind them exactly. I'll say two things to that one is people go the recession is coming and I said, okay, but nobody stops wiping their ass. Yeah. I mean, I hope I really am not they people are going to you know, use the restroom the exact same amount they would whether there's a recession or not. So investing in the companies that make that product or own that product or own that company that's Like awesome this the second thing I want to say is I'm just like that. I'm just like you when I was and I told this to few people when I was at a mall. There's a Japanese retail company called unique Uniqlo, right and and I saw t-shirt it was $14.99. I said, I really like this t-shirt. It's got this cool like character on it and my wife's like just buy it and when I looked at it I said, you know what? No $14.99. I can buy one share or two shares of this stuff. That I know right now. And and by the time that growth is done, I can buy a couple outfits in this in the store that I really like and that shirts going to be on sale in. Yeah, and because whether I wear it now or not is not going to make a difference. It's a tee shirt. I can wear it today or I can wear it next year. It's not going to make any difference to the way. It's right. It's going to be exactly so many burgers. Yeah, or exactly are if you told me Bird. Yeah. Well, that's good. It's a shirt and you're going to want it. You're going to like it later to you know, hopefully and you don't obviously you never even going to end up looking that's how I see every now I I see it. Everything is opportunity cost for investing. You know, I go if I don't do this, I'll save five bucks. I'll put that towards this and that five bucks. We'll multiply by itself. Yeah, and so I maximize it, you know Nile between us well and everyone who's listening to this a lot of people asked me how much money should I keep in my bank versus how much I shouldn't Because the number one question are one of the top five questions is how much should I start with? And I said, I don't know but but make sure you're you're you're getting to a place where you're seeing you're seeing purpose in your Investments, right? Because a lot of people throw money out into stocks and then they don't see purpose. They they're just hoping they're nervous. Yeah, they're thinking about it a lot. They're like should I I don't know. Should I just keep my Tesla stock? What what am I doing? And and they're making themselves nervous investing shouldn't it is a risk, of course, but it Don't be like this thing where every day you're like, oh my gosh, what am I doing? And they're biting their nails and the biting litter up trying to figure I said dick. If you're you're suffering, you're like killing yourself for your Investments and makes no sense. You're supposed to invest so that you can enjoy your life later on by making some good good investment. You know, that's that's more important lesson for like panicking on. Yeah and to you personally if you're looking to share and are you more sort of dividend income type investor or do you just go, you know index funds? Is or are you a better mix or you just like absolute proof stocks? Check this out? It all started for me with this thing called I call offsetting. It's not a it's not like a hard concept. That's just the best word. I can call it. I have to pee AT&T a hundred and twenty bucks a month for my family plan. Right? So I tell myself I want AT&T to pay for that. Yeah, so naturally, right we both know you got to put a certain amount into AT&T. Now it look you'll realize oh we have to put like ton into 18 to Break, even with with that dividend right but but that's not the way to see it the way to see it as hey. I'm getting money from the company that I pay right? So if I just don't 20 bucks, yeah, like I'm getting a discount like people always ask for Discount. I'm getting a discount because when when everybody's paying AT&T, they're paying out somebody to write in and obviously it's dividends and it's cut up and it's chopped up, but I got to a place in my life where all of my dividend income pays for 100% Aunt of all of my expenses of my family nice it pays for everything well, so what do you do with all that excess money you're making from your businesses or your full-time job? Well, you just invest more and invest more so there's a so then there's this like, I guess I don't know. I'm just going to make this up or know there's this Golden Cross moment. Right, right. Yeah where it's like, okay, my dividends paid for all of my expenses, but now it's going That amount. Yeah, right. I'm getting more from dividend taxes and I actually need in terms of offsetting. I have this I have this excess. Yeah, and now you can start getting into different stuff, right, but I feel like for everyone who's listening and doing like the long-term stuff get to a place where of course you're crushing your debts, of course and doing all that, but get to your place where you're collecting really good dividends and and collect them every month, you know, not just not just quarterly. A off a few make sure you make a calendar where you're getting it every month whether whatever that's through right and and use that money towards your expenses. Don't don't go don't buy two cheeseburgers just because you have double the money now right as make any sense. And and so for me, I'm all about long term dividend growth stocks. Also just long-term dinosaur stocks, you know, I'd Blue Chips, right? Yeah, but but also there's a side of me that does a lot of that wants to do more real estate and wants to do or Continues to do day trading. Yeah, I have day trading like goals that I like that and what do I do with that money it I put it into my long-term system, right so that I can feed it a little bit faster. So, you know, some people get a paycheck and they pay all the expenses. They go I only have a hundred bucks left to put in my to put in my stocks. That's I'm not going to get anywhere. It's going to take me like 20 years to get somewhere. Yes. I tell them well. Well, if you have a risk appetite and you do want to get it faster and you have this intuitiveness that might help you. With day trading or something that might help go for it saying, you know saying, oh, it's just too risky. I'm never going to do it that doesn't to me that doesn't make sense. You should at least try it once and if and if it totally scares you and it was the worst experience of all time. Okay fine. Now you have a really good reason. Yeah, but if you've never done it and just you know, your grandpa said don't ever do it. I'm over here trying I doing it and and you know, you don't win all the time or else I'd be a zillionaire but but you win enough where it's like you're You're able to put money in to really accelerate the growth of your dividend stocks, right? Yeah, a lot of people go. How do you how do you have enough money to have that much dividend? So well, what are you doing? If you're just working full-time and watching Game of Thrones at home after that. What do you what do you really expect? You know, you got it you have to you have to you know to shift of - yeah, and then I have and then you and I both have friends who make probably cry. I have friends who make crazy money, right? And then and then they add to it they just have crazy money, but they have I've no idea how to multiply yeah, so it's just sitting in a bank for me between us. I don't have I have three hundred dollars in my savings account. Yeah. The rescue what what it what if there's an emergency and I say well ask yourself it. Does your credit card stop working during emergency, you know? Yeah. Do you have enough liquid assets where you can just pull it out and put it right back in your bank in five days, you know, like what what's the what's the issue, you know and it really comes down to do I trust my investments enough and that comes down to do I trust myself to invest my own money and that's where it really stems from death and I trust myself enough. So I just go what why should I give it to my bank? And I only have $300 because that's a minimum were all still penalized. That's how stupid. Yeah, that's how stupid that is. They'll penalize you and when they penalize you, you know, I think 2018. I think it was the banks in the u.s. Collected 30 something billion dollars of fees something like that. You know. Yeah and what do they do? They give their CEOs a big boost, but they also collect that towards their growth and then their stock goes up and I profit from yeah. I love it man. I feel like you've got Off of knowledge on not only invest in but business, but I think we'll wrap it up there. Thanks so much for jumping on the podcast for sure people want to kind of follow up with you or just follow you. Where's the best place to do that? You mentioned Instagram. The best places is Instagram because email is so difficult and it's in it's not it's not it's not chatting right email is not chatting email is just you know, you go back and forth and expect someone to respond to you within a couple days, but feel Like with Instagram people can actually chat with me slightly as the a nice questions. Yeah slide into the DM. So it's at Waltz in the street. You know, the street would be Wall Street, you know, and I like dancing on it. So nice Waltz in the street. Hit me up and I really really appreciate now. I really appreciate it. I some kill thanks so much John have a good one to go eat. Go eat. Have a good one brother. Nice, huh?

"Somebody is profiting from that and it may as well be you." In this interview, Niall talks FOOD & INVESTING with Johnny Byul Lee aka @waltzinthestreet on Instagram, a multi-business owner based in Los Angeles. Johnny shares about his experiences in a wide range of industries and how "adding value" has been the key to all of his success. He reveals how he got into the restaurant business and why he thinks everyone should be investing for the long term! Get hungry both literally and figuratively for more in today's episode! Find Johnny here: Instagram:   https://www.instagram.com/waltzinthestreet/?hl=en Businesses: @koreatownpizzaco @meatzilla_la @milkandt @lasa_la @ktownforall @fruitcraftsandiego   ____________________ Welcome to the Young Professional Podcast - my name is Niall Lawther and I’m hugely passionate about business and entrepreneurship. I started this podcast because I wanted to connect with and learn from successful entrepreneurs and business owners, and share their stories and insights. I hope these episodes allow you to learn, grow and level up in your life! Thanks for listening - please consider subscribing and leave a review, it'll make my day!

Hi, I'm Ashley. I care I'm Hunter Kelly and welcome to an all-new episode of the all our favorite people podcast today. We have our new friend. Yes. I love him Court Overstreet is here of the band over Street. And this conversation was a lot of fun and all over the place all over the place. But thank you corded kept things really interesting. So we first got to know cord when he starred on Glee on Fox as Sam.And so yeah, it's quite the impression. Yes did a lot of performances and was a thirst trap on the show. Let's be honest. He didn't know this a didn't know that phrase until yesterday when I told him or allegedly, but I was like, yeah, you told it because you said to him yesterday we didn't get into this in the conversation with him on the podcast but Hunters like you've been thirst trap it on Instagram. So what court just did this big spread and flaunt flaunt.com, I think sexy photos, but he has great he has fun with them on Instagram, you know, but his captions but there's no denying it well and he's such a great guy like this conversation was so fun. I mean his father is Paul Overstreet who's one of the most successful songwriters and Nashville. So, he's a long history here in Nashville his dad wrote When You Say Nothing at All Is it she thinks my tractor's sexy right forever and ever amen forever? And ever? Amen. I rather on Love Can Build a Bridge by The Judds which we sing a lot reducing that a lot first song I ever sing in a recital and so court has he's obviously been doing his own music for a long time. Singer-songwriter project that he put out a couple years ago. And now he has an ALT pop project that is independently dropped called my ex and it's just I love seeing the diversity and the dimension of what he does. Oh, yeah, some real 80s Vibes here a lot of fun. It's a lot of fun. Yeah dance to it in the clerk. I know and then the video has all kinds of Hollywood scandals. It's real juicy. And you do love a Hollywood Scandal. I've been watching a lot of a True, Hollywood. Good stories lately so we talked about that as well. You guys make sure you check out Overstreet the single my ex and they've got an EP that they've dropped as well so you can make sure to check that out. It's so good. It's so fun. So let's get to it here. He is Chord Overstreet actually. Do you want to know I just love I love that were here and I was listening through the EP again this morning and I was like, it's just for me. I think at first it was really unexpected. Based on the stuff that you've done in the past and like the singer-songwriter project the last one that you did and then obviously the work out of Glee but I was like, it's so dang. I'm good. Oh, thank you guys kind of get like, I really lost in it. I appreciate it. Yeah. I mean I've been writing for the last like pretty non-stop for the last like three years trying to get a body of work together, but you know a bunch of different sides to me because I grew up here in Nashville, obviously and so I grew up listening loving and singing country music. And then nobody's ever heard of country music out in Los Angeles started change now that I mean it's shifting a little bit. Yeah, it's it is showing its becoming way more popular. It's for all the people going out stage. Koshen. I really yeah, that's eve-teasing a difference. Oh my gosh. I mean, well the first year I went to Stagecoach. It was versus now stagecoaches pretty much everybody rather. Go there than Coachella. Yeah, it's Coachella just a little crazy. Yeah, coachella's like where you go to like trip acid and stay. Coaches ready to go to drink and like have a good time. Yeah, right but stagecoaches where you also go to get in fights because beer drunk is very different than like when you're feeling like you're one with the Universe. I remember seeing like fights at country concerts is a kid like the best one was at a Reba McEntire show and I was in the upper deck is the last time we let my dad go to really get in a fight. Oh, yeah and like they cared like six rows on the floor. So So that's last time we let my dad handled tickets though because we were just here in the nosebleed. Yeah, we were never like past like row five after that. It was intense, but big big fight to cut it Reba almost got in a big fight at a James Taylor concert once but who are these like rough like I want to get in a fight going to these concert now when James I think you supposed to be there just to have a great time and like get away and enjoy the music but there's always that image on here. There's that one. He's like he's like looking around and Woman, he's just like he's probably in a tight muscle tee. Uh, Hey, excuse me. He's like, oh you want to go you want to go right with your shower the people you love with love and he was like, I'm glad he's not on the ground people you love he didn't get the message didn't get James's message of unity. Well, so going back to going back to my ex. I love this 80s sound that you're in and I'd one of the influences that you said was the police and the Beach Boys to have the Beach Boys. Yeah, but there's something about that. The insistence of a you know, the police that I hear in these these Melodies like a little Darkness. Yeah, it's Darkness. Yeah, it's kind of always just loved like older kind of classic rock and I mean I was listening to pretty much like 80 70 60 stuff on the way over here. And I before I came up here money came on Pink Floyd and just like those old just music was just so great and like I don't know how you can not be influenced by it. But yeah, I mean like I think In kind of has a lot of Reggae Melody Tendencies and mixed with that rock kind of has like a little bit Jazz Incorporated in it. That stuff's just always kind of I've just always kind of like noticed when people can kind of like take three different Vibes or four different elements and put them together. I just think it's awesome that actually that song when I ran into an exit a bar in Los Angeles with the bar was actually called No Name Bar. There's a lyric and their sister own eyes that are No Name Bar. Our I hadn't seen her in God knows how long and she was like Hey, all right, what's going on? I was like, oh, you know Gabriel like one-armed hug because really you're going to give me a one-armed hug and I was like, okay full-frontal just like I mean like but go outside and have a smoke or drink and I was like, she had a new boyfriend get a boyfriend at the time. And so I was like man, this is this is an interesting predicament. I'm N I feel like she's trying to hook up with me or what and I was like and I was like, all right. Well, I got I definitely got that Vibe and then her boyfriend showed up and then the vibe tone changes. I was like, oh, wow. I was like, you know what the next day I had this idea for the song when I went in with one of my buddies and we started talking. I was a we think about this title and he's like well, how would you sing it and I was just like just kind of Blurted out the chorus and then kind of told him the story and I was like kind of be an interesting Twist on it if I hadn't made the mistake of going home with her and she was cheating on her current boyfriend with her ex-boyfriend didn't happen though. I'm not you didn't have just just so everyone's just I don't backtrack when I listen to my ex. I'm like, this is definitely like a one-night thing because like you've been there before I've been there and I quickly realized why Broke up when you had like, oh, yeah. Well or there could still be this like underlying lingering things like and I feel like that's the thing too. It's like once you break up with some of their still this there's still this attraction. So that's right. And you kind of you still want them in those situations when you run into an AB are like so want them to kind of want you and your only know you're going home alone. So you're like, oh wow playing Janet Jack Howell gives him to your head playing. I'm playing I never want to dance again guilty feet. They got a rhythm. Oh, no, did you see that? I'm Glee. I don't know if we did which would be so surprising that seems like there would have been such a good song. Yeah such a I didn't get it until I was older about to break into an acapella version right now. Sometimes we do that and here so, yeah, it's not out of the realm of possible happened because I have a few questions along those lines continuing now, go ahead. Where were you about to say? Well, I do want to talk about like, you know this video for my exes up in the Hollywood Hills. And you know, it's the whole vibe. I was just out in LA and it's crazy to be on the Sunset Strip and it feel like such a low-key Vibe compared to Nashville. Oh my gosh. What have you seen like because you grew up in Nashville or tell you like? Oh, this is the big city. I was like, it feels so quiet here. First of all La in maybe in certain spots not all spots, but certain spots. It's a for the national because National is now like just basically Getting dumped with buses of idiots out on Broadway and people are jumping off balconies and just I mean, it's like it's crazy how much it's changed in the last like five to seven years. I went down on Broadway, which I never which if you're from Nashville, you never really do because it's filled bachelorette parties and yeah and bridesmaids, you know, woo girls. We're gonna go ride the electric bull down a wild Beaver. Like that's awesome. That's usually actually where I go, but you know the kind of like I used to love the way there. Yeah you go down there. Singer karaoke, so I used to spend I'll jump on the electrical there. I only went there once I think Solange Knowles was there one night. I won't almost what the stalker but I didn't she's always singing karaoke. Yeah, I did do some salad karaoke there, but it reminds me of don't like down that area reminds me of like a post-apocalyptic. It's like Vegas. It's like Vegas but more crowded right? Well just because it's so centralized. I'll I moved out of Nashville in like 2009. So it was completely different but every time I come here, it's just like Everybody's just coming here to party. It's kind of crazy. It's yeah, what was the question because I lived in La for a couple of years and there are certain spots of Los Angeles that are just like Sunset Boulevard wild but then there are Parts like if you're in Santa Monica or by the beach, it's really chill. Yeah. Well, it's weird because it's La is so much more spread out. Yeah, it's less about the streets are filled with people like National. It's you go. Spots and then I go that was a wild time with I was but you know, it's like kind of has pockets. Yeah, but it's kind of crazy. Now what everyone's really doing their own thing and not really paying attention to what everybody else is doing. Do I in Los Angeles? Yeah. Well in your business in Nashville, do you find that when you come back that everybody's up in your business and Nashville in a good way or a bad way to come back here and pretty much just working so much. Yeah. That or hanging with my family and my parents live so far out of the city that it's either, you know out in the country hanging with them or in the studio, right and stuff and then in the occasional Red Door drink till 2 a.m. But other than that as we do, yeah as everybody does and then you know, sometimes you'll you'll be up for a while night and you'll go crash a couple bachelorette parties. We've all been there. I guess mattei Court. The best Instagram account is Broadway and Censored it's like a compilation of all the crazy stuff that happens on Lower Broadway. Do you know I didn't covid uncensored is my wife Robert said toad. It's my life. Okay. So let's take it back out to Los angeles' you chose to have JFK and Marilyn Monroe and your video. Oh, yeah, Marilyn. Oh, yeah, but but you did have some of this old Hollywood glamour has provided if it was provocative some of the couples that you chose to put in the video about exes. Like, you know, you kind of have your face Amos excess but I feel like you broke some new ground. Well, there's you know, I just feel like that's the Scandal kind of wanted to do like a bunch of like presidential scandals to throw Bill Clinton in there and Monica Lewinsky because great on Twitter by the way, you follow Monica on Twitter Monica Lewinsky on Twitter. No, she's fabulous. Yeah, she's pretty she's saying like all kinds of shaped like the dress was mine or just all kinds of shade. It's great. But about the Oval Office. Yeah. I mean that comes up as you would imagine. So yeah, so I just thought that With that experience kind of Hollywood's kind of really in sexual and no matter how many how much distance you try to put in between you and X is there no one's bound to pop up at any random night out. And so I was just kind of thinking about who's dated. Who and it's just like wow this person say to this person or this person is also dated this person who's also due to this person in this like it's just like it's kind of crazy and I just thought that I think the old Hollywood like the Frank Sinatra JFK Marilyn Monroe Elvis Presley that's more appealing to me because I like the old kind of classic stuff, but I thought it might be interesting to throw that in there, which I also liked on the CPU did a throwback to your own version of Sex on Fire which is Kings of Leon song then which allows the your friends with the guys from Kings, aren't you? Yeah. I know Jarrod but I think I was like, I've met the other guys I've been passing but I've shared fairly well and there. They're awesome dudes and from Nashville. So when I realize this song came out 10 years ago like as soon as I read that I was like, oh my gosh, like how has it been 10 years ago. It was a song. Yeah, because I remember it was I guess yeah. I was right when I moved to LA because we have got summer and and then I didn't even know that it had been out 10 years and somebody mentioned that to me was like you're joking. I like coming to just 10 years went by us X the thing but like 10 to 20 years, you can start like covering songs and people young people. People won't remember them. Oh, I know I cried like Wagon Wheel people think that's a Darius Rucker something. But why did you decide on sex on fired put that on this EP? I was about to make a really bad inappropriate joke. I'm learning to filter myself. I just always loved that song and I just love like rock and roll in there kind of like one of the only rock bands left and love those guys and it was just always a big fan of that song and I just started messing around in the studio with My friends and we were just like wait what if we did this kind of and and then it kind of just started snowballing and then we're like, let's start playing it live and we recorded it and put it out so good. Yeah. It's such a good it's like I just forget about it. Like after all these are bad. I don't know just because there was a period of time where that was a song that was always on my playlist and stand with me and Mambo Number 5. It was yeah Mambo Number 5 here. I am get that is weird to think about because like to With songs from the 2000s are now like 10 to 15 years old songs from mm. I'll be 20 next year antiques. Yeah, that's not so you go back and say whoa It's rediscovering the mineral way with some distance. Yeah, then pries the next thing, you know, you're dead. The songs are still there goes for it fast Court Overstreet. How are you making the most of today? Well, I for he down but a lot of like Bengay on my arthritis every morning and just yet just so I can you know, and to my Mobility back antioxidants in your diet. Antioxidants and my juices. Okay. So before we move on from a tax video after talk about what I consider the most controversial couple of Exes in the video to be and this is really going to hit home with Ashley. It's Ross and Rachel which I saw and it really that's just has a 25 year anniversary of the debut of character, right? Yeah. So you're saying that that was the most controversial. Yeah for me. I guess it's elevating them to the level of like actual people because I think Ross and Rachel's relationship really gripped the nation and you're the first to really well is that it actually wasn't roster H. It was David Schwimmer and Jennifer answer they used to be a thing really worth it. No, I was like, I don't know I'm making that up but he know that would but he is accessory is showing old True Hollywood stories. And the morning is yeah and he is he is he a network? So I was watching this when you seen Angelina Jolie, but Circa 2005 so it's like Bob Thornton Tomb Raider Angelina Jolie. Yeah into the mr. Mrs. Smith which you know, but it was crazy because it's like everything after 2005 hadn't happened and then you look back and be like, wow, they're fashion in 2005 looks so weird and then there's bars on both sides of the screen. So, you know what's old, you know before they had widescreen. Yeah. Do you want an E True Hollywood Story or I may I think it would probably be more interesting if you had any true at Kingston spring story. Yeah, what up talking about birthing goats and all grown up on a farm you dip Earth coats personally. Yes. You got a farm. Yeah. Well, I went out of town one like on a family vacation One winner and we had like probably 25 female goats, and we had one male goat and when we were gone he Out of his pen and damn near got every one of those females and so five months. It's the pregnancy terms or term for put goat in five months go by and my family goes out of town on another trip and I had to stay back because I had a baseball tournament or something and I had to stay back and I heard this goat just screaming up at the barn and walk up there and all of a sudden it's happening. And so I had I ended up calling my mom was like hey, yeah, so there's a goat going into labor right now. What do I do? What do I do? She's like go get the rubber gloves get the iodine get a couple towels get a heat. Them aspirator right know what you're going to do and she just goes walks me through this and my adrenaline's pumping and I just I birthed those two goats and then soon as I finish that I'm like this is this was this is ridiculous another goat starts going into labor and I think there's probably like eight to ten deliveries that weekend that God that you were doing this by yourself. Did you that point call a buddy like phone a friend be like, can you come help me deliver these goats? What friend is? What friend is that much of a friend is like no, I'm good man. You you and the placenta can hang out on your own like oh. Are they after bird after Bird? Yeah, it is. It's real thing after birth with cord over what you know, you got a life after birth Lord. No, but it's I so I basically you know, how these look really big plastic gloves on up to up to the elbows and Yeah, it was an experience. I mean is this ever a story that you thought you would actually tell? No, I didn't even want goats. My mom. Just thought oh, I always wanted to have a barn and a you know a farm and I'm going to have six kids and I'm to make them do it all and so that's how I kind of got put I kind of got thrown into the situation without volunteering or being able to say how were you again with this happen 14 because you were like being home, so I will drop you. Was yeah. I wish I was driving illegally to my baseball tournament spring. Oh, I was driving like an hour away. My dad was like, oh you're you're fine fine. Just take government take the truck and go that day and government but there is something about growing up in a small town like that that I mean my grandfather would just be like, you're fun. You can go Joe. Yeah on the road was driving a tractor when I was like seven. Yeah 104 Sexy Tractor. It was my guess is was the tractor not what While I was in it because that's just weird that you were a child. Sorry, but no it was a it was a sad story behind Dad wrote that song and the story behind that joke for everybody behind that is is Hill. He says this whenever he's playing live, but he'll he's like, you know me and me and your mom we went to the Tractor Supply Company and you know, we were looking at this big, you know, the big old tractor and this heavy equipment. We leave and there's a middle console the truck and she slides it over and she scoots in the middle and she puts her arm around me and I look at her and I said, hey honey, this heavy equipment really turns you on and then he that's what he that's his story and he wrote the song like few days after that. I didn't realize it was an innuendo until like we were 14. It was like eight or seven when it was eight. That's crazy. There's like 9897 maybe yeah, that sounds Not right. I mean it was it was before Kenny Chesney was Kenny Chesney. It's before it was when he was on the farm in East Tennessee before he moved full-time to the beach in his career. That's right Cory. I can't believe that you actually use the term goat because that was what I was going to use for your dad as a songwriter. Wow, go I mean it's in my notes. So I mean the transition was just so easy, but I didn't take it because sometimes too cheesy transition you do and symptoms were like, we just need to we'll get back to it later after we saw his diverse down this hat. But it's true that oh my gosh. So like when did you realize that your dad was like this in saying songwriter? Because you know growing up. He's just Dad and then you start to realize these songs are just so finely crafted was it when you are sitting on like the side of the stage watching him perform? Hmm, it would probably be kind of like, yeah. I think I get one of the first concerts I went to and you're watching like all these people. Like listen to your dad's music. It's kind of it's a weird. It's a weird thing to say but like your yeah, I remember big being like two or three and like going to shows and you don't we bring kids out there and I was always fascinated with the music side of things and like I had was I always grab any kind of instrument like a to go on the steel guitar and play it horribly and not you know, I grabbed the mandolin players mandolin and but watching him kind of perform. I was just fascinated on the fact that one person could literally Kind of like Captivate an audience and I was like, oh, that's really cool. But I didn't really realize I'd always just listen to lyrics I didn't realize how great of a Lyricist he was until you start hearing a lot of other songs and country music and then you're like where you have contrast to compare and then there's like when the when you hear something great like, oh, wow, your mind kind of goes to a different spot and there's a lot of like that's like a lot of the older Country Music like, you know, Johnny Cash. Sure, Keith Whitley and Waylon, Jennings and these like these these older like country artists were all lyrics and that's that's one of the things that I like listen to when you're little you just have every you have a lot of people coming up to you being. Oh my gosh, you know how great of a greatest song this is and this and this and you don't know anything other than people just and I'm just like, please don't don't tell my dad this his ego is already out of control. He does not need any it does not need a bigger head. No you go back and listen to some of these songs. Like well like when you say nothing at all, I mean I think about that is like one of the best songs ever written. How does anybody come up with like that's I can't come up with those phrases. Like how does anybody come up with that? Like, yeah. It's just like twists on Words. And then I was talking to my dad. I was like, oh, yeah, we wrote the song the song. What were you saying? Oh, that wasn't me that was you know, my always let my co-writer. That was my you know, he's always like never try to take credit for stuff except for like the funny ones. There's like really cool stories behind all of us. Songs which it just interesting hearing like how this song kind of just came out of nothing like he liked him and dance. Let's did forever and ever amen and he wanted his the story behind it was him and on road every Monday or Tuesday, I think and he was he just got done playing 36 holes of golf and Dawn was like, hey Paul you coming over and we're going to write and he's like, oh Madam. She's really tired. You know, I he's like just just come on. Let's just I just write one today and you showed up that's stay there forever and ever amen. But the story behind that was when I guess Don's kid was in school. They would say like the Lord's Prayer and at the end of it, they would say forever and ever amen. Hmm and so he could come home after whenever they pray the safe and forever and ever amen. And so that's kind of where that whole thing came from but had you not shown up, you know, you would never written that song. And so that's one of the things he was just like, you know, you never know. You never know when you're going to write this always show up. And so that was just kind of like a Flashing back to the slide that like the story behind how these songs kind of coming out is and then like Digging Up Bones. My dad is sitting at home at Thanksgiving alone and looking at like a turkey carcass and hit up at one of his co-writers and he's like I got this song title Digging Up Bones and he's like, well, what does it mean he goes? I don't know but I think it's our job to find out. Yeah, it's brilliant Zoomin things are better left alone. No, but yeah, it's just it's interesting. Like I just love stories. I think I think everybody loves. Or he's and that's one of the things that we're if I if a song kind of lyrically doesn't really make sense and I don't have feel like I'm connected to the story behind it. I kind of check out even if it's something like Old Town Road or which actually love that song. It really grow. It really grows on you. Yeah. I just I love stories and lyrics oh, but I love the story of you had a football injury in high school and were I'm assuming kind of sitting on the couch moping around because it sounds like that football. Was over yeah, it was now like kind of seeing football played up close and how big and strong and like fast and athletic those guys are I never had a shot but I think since brings you were are a big deal in Kingston Springs huge deal in Kingston Springs of the time. There's like five either kids trying to play football and just know I was on oxycontin and I was just I had just had a ACL surgery and I was just high off of my My face and oxycontin is it's an amazing but crazy addictive drug, like my mom like through my pills the pills away like after one or two days of taking it. So I was still in a lot of pain because she was like, I'm not letting you get hooked on these things, but it was like you would take him and days we just go by I could be like you taking me like it would be two days later a bit whoa crazy, but anyways, so on oxycontin and my dad come came in and I was playing a video game. He's like Turn it down game off write a song cause like which I love because he obviously saw the talent in you from a very early age. Yeah, and it was it was one of those things that I always used to do impressions of country singers and he's like, what are you going to sing like you and I was like, well, I don't really know how I sang and that was a whole different thing anyways started writing a song after he's like turn the dang game off write a song and started writing the song and it was like a really dark song. It was like a very like Johnny Cash his first song I had written and was Death row. I mean it was so intricate. I'm kind of wondering if it was the drugs now that were riding this one but it was like it was like the story of this love affair this love affair with this girl who's cheating on this guy and one of the guys she was cheating on like shot her and the guy who was like her boyfriend or husband or whatever founder and cops. Basically, I guess arrested him. He ended up on death row. Basically. It's a dark country song. Yeah. It was a The dark kind of sounds like a very Johnny Cash's like and I played for my damn it. I was like, I love it and so he came back and we finish what we wrote it together and that's just it's so wild I just thinking back to that was my first one. I was looking for like a 17 year old. That's really dark but X is really bubblegum compare. Yeah, I know but I just I just love the stories. Like I just kind of like the fact you can kind of disappear into like your own movie with a song right which is what a lot of great great country artists did like, you know, even like Charlie Daniels, Annuals or like you were saying fancy. I love you. Threw it back too fancy for him. But it really I think has been this journey for you from like that day at 17 to being on Glee to then having more music out to now this project like really finding your voice and what you wanted to say. Yeah, and it was tough for a while because you're on a show where you're saying pop songs and you're you know, you're having to kind of try to sound like the person who's recording it like the, you know, either the demo singer or the pop art. So it's like seeing a different pop songs really hard to figure out how you sing for after a while. You're like I could technically sing like XXX action X and so it's it took me like you don't two or three years just to develop as an artist and what I wanted to do, so, you know, it's it's a process for sure. I mean like that really did come in handy all these Impressions on Glee so I could just be like a chameleon. Yeah, you're just going to start singing like Matthew McConaughey. Hmm. Tell me more about that. For Matthew McConaughey. Okay, so they just had the auto show here in Nashville we go sit in all the new cars. So he's just I was agents like I was watching that Lincoln Navigator. I was that Lincoln Navigator with the are right on it, you know you so smooth. You can't even feel the speed bumps in the road. It's great. I love it that I love that one commercial Irish talking about that ball. He comes out. Shower, she eighteen eighteen hundred pounds to do whatever the hell I want. That's right take long road. Thank you showers because there's like it's like I just you imagine. Can you imagine that pitch meeting pitch meeting for this AB which I think he probably curates it. But which is kind of great because I think there's a longhorn he's a big Longhorn fan. So yeah, so guys I'm thinking Outside of the car there's a bull and it comes head on the car and there's no way this car could take the bull on so the car has to turn around and drive a little bit longer. Here's the police shoot of Italy. I'm just like oh my God, it's Matthew in the room. Right? Because like what is happening also heard you on that Kevin McHale's podcast doing Christopher Walken Christopher walk that way Matthew McConaughey, they both just live in their own world, and I think that's what's so appealing about them to me. You know like my own universe as a woman. I feel like Matthew McConaughey is more appealing than Christopher Walken, but just that I wasn't talking about their sex appeal. I was talking about their their bubble of their own world. Yeah. I mean by the way, the Christopher Walken one of my friends her dad is like an actor of that it was around the time period like Chris Walker Robert De Niro and those guys would go on trips together and she was like, I was going on trips to them as like a little little girl and she said Chris was always just like he said in his own world. World they would be out like and I think in Florida or somewhere and they're out on the golf course and Krista's in a robe, like smoking a cigar apparently and just standing up to his knee in a puddle her and her dad walked by and she goes and he just heard a bit Chris. What are you doing? He's like The water it's it's wet like just like he's like, yeah, well no shit man. So when but like I was like I heard she told me a story and I was just like I died laughing. 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So it's like when I first was, you know a ginseng your publicist was like hey, would you like to talk to quarter of shit in my oh, yeah, so then I'll look you up on Apple music or streaming is like wait, is he released and it is it unreleased but it's under overstressed are history. So, why was there a reason that you It to kind of have a different bit of a break here. Yeah, I mean the reason behind just using my last name on it is because I have like I said, I have two different sized where I love the singer-songwriter stuff. I love the Storyteller thing and I also love rocking out and putting on a show and just having a great time and it's just I wanted also this music to kind of be based on the music first and just kind of like people to not have any expectations and kind of Into it not knowing, you know and kind of have a fresh start as a new music project so I could still have my singer-songwriter stuff and it not be a completely different, you know on the same thing, but I was listening to a lot of just also did a lot of like touring what was just me and acoustic guitar and it's amazing to like really connect with with audiences and like be that into it but I went and saw a lot of really fun shows and that's like a another side of me that I just love making fun upbeat. Yeah music you want just party too and you know have a good time and I tend to write a lot of on the on the acoustic guitar a lot of very heavy heartbreak songs that I went through a phase where there's not heartbroken at all for a while. I was like, I'm sick. I'm having fun. I'm not yeah of care in the world and just party about well, but what I love about that is like so often I feel like the music industry or people just want to put a song writer or an artist and a box and be like, this is what you do in that said, yeah. That's a great way to put it because as opposed to were three dimensional like we're not one-dimensional. I was talking to my friends about this the other day, but I mean the industry is very much a what is what's the sound where they like you said they want to put it in a box. It's like well you could be into making hip-hop music you could be in to make a country music you could be in a doing singer song. You don't people aren't one-dimensional. Right? So like having multiple sides is not like that crazy of a thing to kind of wrap your mind around, but but But if you went into a label or a, you know, a radio station you replace something that was like completely, you know, it might confuse people right? They might be that guy but like people don't really care what they're listening soon as long as they love it and you're inspired by so many different things that I you know, people just want to connect. Yeah and if it's real and if it's a real story for you and you like makes you feel any kind of emotion. I think you just ride the wave well, like you said you're reflecting like where you are at that sir? Point you can write the dark heart broke songwriter songs, but then also you just want to get out and have a good time. And this is a way to do that. Yeah, and honestly like my experiences in life were, you know, obviously growing up in the country and listening to pretty much only classic rock and country music and then moving out to massive City like Los Angeles and your experiences your environment everything around you changes. So it's like how could you not be influenced by different elements, you know, so but those those are still parts of of you and you know, it's kind of music to me is kind of like almost like flipping through a journal. You're kind of just saying. Oh, I remember this part of I remember this so it's like when it's real you never get bored of playing it or singing it because it kind of takes you back to that moment and then you kind of like, oh, I remember what that was like and that feeling and that and I don't think that people like necessarily always connect with the specific stories, but they connect with the emotion behind it nature. It's like, oh I felt that way versus I've I've been on the Chattahoochee Right Way Down Yonder way down here with Chattahoochee. Like it's hotter than a hoochie coochie about a wild Beaver or not editing that out. Sorry Mom when you're listening to this out at home at 2:00 in the morning when you can't sleep sorry. Okay, is that when this airs? Yeah, tell me what you think. It's only one time. You got a you got a small window to catch. Again, so I do want to ask them about you know, the acting part of your career. Do you ever plan to go back and do more? Yeah. Yeah. I'm doing stuff kind of here and there I just got back from Montreal filming something it was it was more. So for me, I mean the music thing just it takes a lot of energy on the time. Yeah, we're after being on something for five or six years. I was like man if I'm gonna do this, I gotta do this now or it'll never happen because it's like it mean you write a hundred songs together. Twenty great ones, you know are good ones. And so it's a process but that's just, you know, three years to get a body of work and then sits still uphill. So it's just like it's just a lot of like working a lot of emotions that you have to put in. So I just I was like, well, I've done this now. I want to try to like really put the time and energy to make something make something great. And so yeah after I've been getting that up off the ground, it's kind of getting its own legs. I'm ready. It's going to get back and doing a bunch of other stuff. So I'm working on a bunch of different things constantly. So just kind of figuring it out as I got all this stream of stuff. You know, I know you can be needing that streaming. My streaming apps actually just streaming apps. I actually I actually just did it click actually just did a couple of funny funny call me things. So for many of the other projects, you've worked on a nineteen wise, what are some of the craziest stories or a favorite memory that you have? I would say A the pp the people you work with and you kind of you learn something from where you get to meet and it's just like really cool and they're really awesome. And you have a like like Kristin Chenoweth was amazing working with her. Ricky Martin's like really cool. So super sweet guy like Stevie Nicks came on set one day and I was just like, I mean, so like that's like really cool. Then Elton John came up to me at like something like forever going like started talking to me and like was Elton John that's like they in what world would I World is this stuff ever happen? Like this is like the coolest shit and then you're you're you're you're learning a lot with the craft as well. Like I would have never got that kind of a experience in any other any other way. I mean like you're literally and thrown into like boot camp, uh performing and you're learning from like the best. So it's just the education was probably my favorite thing from just all the experiences. I've had and then, you know getting to meet really nice new friends and I think It's like learning from your cast mates because you're all sharpening each other. That's biblical. Mmm praises and watching like, you know, like yeah, he's so like getting to like see how Jane Lynch operates. Yeah, I watch her like that's just that's just a thrill it is to like be sitting across from somebody and just like watching them and try just trying not to laugh. It's just it's just like that's that was like probably the one of the funnest experiences because those people are so funny and they're so Now that just like and then one of our writers is he's a really funny actor and really talented writer but he did all the Christopher Guest movies and like he was one of the one of my best friends and he would always kind of like take me under his wing and we go coffee everyday but like when we have brakes and stuff and I learned a lot just from like kind of picking his brain. So there's just like a lot of really valuable valuable stuff you pick up from just being in it when I kind of have to wonder like how do you hold that laughter in like you were just trying desperately cuz it's all about the comedic timing. Well holding it in this hold it in and not react. Well, there's something funny about holding it and when you're holding it and you just train yourself to not like break because you're kind of on the verge and it kind of has this weird energy back and forth between like seeing how long you can kind of go. It kind of charges the other person to kind of try to push you over the edge a little bit and if it doesn't it's it ends up you just have to start thinking about like really miserable things like what I'm trying not to laugh at other people like on you know, you just You kind of do disconnect now. You can also get in a rhythm of trying to like really just like like earlier when the stuff that's probably not going to make this and get it out. You said I'd really dark things with a straight face just to see if you can get a reaction to somebody you get good at that after a while because I'm so sorry you guys are going to miss some of that laughter. What about we're at that level. It takes a while to make you laugh. But I knew that the righteous gemstones was one of the best shows I've seen in forever because I was laughing out loud and then I realized I'm laughing out loud. It's true though, because no Ivy because well now it's like when there's so much content and everything is like funny you get so desensitized to are like that's why comedy is always changing and humors just always it's evolving like if you go back and look at like older, you know comedy like you go from back all the way back to like Milton Berle even well, which nobody else is going to get that reference. It's Google it but he's in the Pee-wee's Big Adventure Jesse great reference, you know, but even like but even like people Wee Herman and then you and then it kind of evolved in you have like the Jim Carrey's of and then you have the Chris Farley's and as far as you have that SNL era and then the Will Ferrell's then you get like the James Franco and Seth Rogen. So it's like it's constantly like you go back and try to remake these older comedies and it's not as funny because it's constantly evolving and it's comedy gets dated really quickly to where it's like it has to always be like, so if you're on a show and you're watching the same stuff you can kind of train yourself to like be a little bit desensitized, but I feel like when Now I feel like with so much coming at us all the time. Sometimes it's just hard to get lost in a show anymore and just completely check out. That's what I loved about the righteous gemstones because I was just like he goes I need you to sit down and watch the so I was traveling last weekend and sit in the hotel and I was like, all right. I'm just gonna I'm gonna check out and I was rolling and I'm like, I just don't do that as much anymore. I feel like it's so funny because that's such a premise. I'm sure we all kind of connect to yeah. Yeah, so there should be from like the South Living in the Bible Belt. I just thought it was I thought it was hysterical. I did have a question though about Glee and the songs of Clues because the way that some of them were recast was really brilliant the way it recast a song so like my favorite song from Glee that is now my favorite over the original is Total Eclipse of the Heart. Yes, because I think Kevin koury and Jonathan's voice is doing the other part made it make more sense for me. But also I just think their vocals are fact. What is your Favorite, I mean there's guess we did 700 ridiculous set on our musical numbers, but that was one of the I think the genius Parts about Ryan is Ryan was able to take music that everybody already had an attachment to and put a new story whether that it kind of like it was almost like he had it. So in a woven with plot of the show and like made it make he made the songs make sense with where the storylines are going. So, yeah, it was almost like he just had a catalog of You know song every amazing song ever recorded and he was like, well this song Fits in the storyline and kind of weirdly tied everything into where you know songs kind of had new meanings after you watched it, which is really cool. Yeah. My favorite song one of my favorite songs of all times is Dreams Fleetwood Mac and that was pretty cool. Especially getting watched like Kristin Chenoweth saying that and I mean, there's just so many talented people we got to work with so it's just really hard to pick. I mean we did that sort. Side, it's song Time After Time. Which great when I was just like one of my favorite songs. Cyndi Lauper Yeah. That was I met her once I met her once and I just sat there and I was like your Cyndi Lauper you like we're very influential on my childhood and upbringing like that's a thing is meeting people that you looked up to your entire life and when they're cool. Yes, it's so disappointing to meet somebody that you like looked up to in your that, you know, they say don't meet your Heroes right and you meet somebody They're either a dick or they're really cool. It's just like it can it can make or break it for you. Has there been one of your Heroes you've met that gave you like a really great piece of advice? Oh, yes, Jimmy Buffett. I got this play the second verse of Margaritaville with him at Show a Cobra Delmar like few years back and I was talking to him about music industry and touring and just picking his brain and he He because he used to write be a writer for billboard right back in the day. When he first moved to Nashville. This is what before Margaritaville obviously and I was asking him kind of like his first like starting of touring and all the sudden. He said we were we were playing gigs and we were opening for the Eagles. Say wow. What a what a crazy the Eagles are crazy tour to be all not be awesome. But you know, he was opening for the Egos and he's like nobody knew who we were and then like a hundred eighty two shows later. We were we were opening for the Goes at like Madison Square Garden or something and nobody really knew who we were a hundred eighty shows where we just pretty much played every day. And then we were headlining and then his his fan base is so ridiculous and just kind of like that's it's such a experience and it's such a it's like its own like my parents are like it's on like tight-knit Circle, but that was one of the things that Jimmy said you just just play just get out there and play just like just push through it and play as many shows. As you can and I just thought that was kind of like really cool coming from him like just to kind of take the time just to even kind of walk me through his experience and like what it was but he was like, yeah, we didn't know we didn't know what we were doing. We were just we just started moving. Let's play play play and then everything else kind of just took care of yourself and that's like and his fan base is probably the most dedicated fan bases. There is like they still like show up in herds. Well, it's like people that follow Buffett. It's like the same car same people in a different way. Yeah. It's a lifestyle. Follow like the Grateful Dead like they will follow him around everywhere ever everywhere Bullpup people go people travel and like with him on tour and go to every single show Absolutely still the way. I mean that's fascinating to me that you can have a fan base. That's that dedicated to you as an artist or they'll go see every show and you're the you you had something special about you were you can grab that many people like that. That was really a really cool piece of advice I got and then I got I got a piece of Advice from on the acting side from one of the directors that changed how I change kind of how I saw things because I was like, I was obsessed with comedy but I wasn't always as funny as I ended up becoming or being or were able to really not about being funny. It's about not giving away the joke, but one of the things he said to me, he's like it's never funny to you. He's like whatever it is because it's the most dire because you want this more than anything and It's the most important thing to you in the world and whatever the circumstances and the fact that it's ridiculous makes it funny. And so I was always start from then on just like become obsessed with like trying to learn that world and becoming like I'm just watching and studying people but you know that I will always use to kind of try to make it make a joke happen like, you know play into it or kind of lean into it, you know, but then you go back and show watching all this like all these all this like comedy that's like just constantly evolving. It's just so it's such a serious serious thing to these guys. Yeah and comedians are actually pretty dark pretty dark individuals. Like my dad. My dad was telling me goes one of his friends was friends with Richard Pryor and he was like, my dad was a huge Richard Pryor friend. He was like Paul you want to come over for dinner? Richard Pryor's coming over the house. He's like well, yeah, he was expecting him to be Richard Pryor and he has he was just really quiet and very like nice and just like soft-spoken and just not what you think at all. I just always thought that was interesting like every comedian I've met Had a little bit like throw a little bit darker. They're not what you think. Yeah. Well, I think too like I have a friend that's a comedian everyone always expects. She like when they see you on the street, they expect you to be hysterical and so it's like if you're just not in that place and that will fare on I was like, I'm not I'm not going to go up and I'm not going to like we're expecting. Yeah. It was just like he was just very like a normal guy that you would never think was funny. It's weird that when people come up like this friend of a friend came out to me and she's like I've seen you on TV Videos with my friend. You're really funny. I'm funny too. And I'm like it's scary because it's so much but it's true though, because well you are really funny but it's always like huh Lord, but it's in the moment. She understands right? I would die. Well, actually I've been trying to get say would you ready numbers to Jennifer Nettles for like them to do in season two because like there's different levels on Jennifer Nettles is the mom. You know, I don't know. I don't know if she's in the amazing and she's in that up. She's in the upcoming movie about our believe Harriet Tubman. She's like a mean slave mistress kind of like Catherine Paulson and 12 years of slave of you're gonna make a joke. We've gone down taught me so many things that's not funny cord. I never thought Jennifer Nettles was funny. No, I'm OK. I met her like forever ago. She was the sweetest. She's one of the sweetest looks everybody from the south is the sweetest. Well your heart less insulin exactly how sweet smiles and nice Compliments are just beat this guy sometimes I mean, I always say like I love and I love everybody and Hunters like you do not love everybody. Well, everybody knows you to southern people can talk more shit than anybody else is just always behind somebody's back. There's people that are like, you know in New York and be like, yeah, we don't like it. You're that is one of the things about living in Los Angeles people just tell you right what they think and I appreciate that because I would rather you be honest with me then. Yeah, then some of the BS that we tried that one up here that was vindictive. That's like the first time I started playing music or somebody like every song you write camping great and you play some songs or probably really really bad and if somebody tells you hey, oh, that's great. Probably gonna write more. More shitty songs, but they're like it's bad. So I got to step it up. I got to do something better and you're going to write that bad song again. So you gotta keep growing step up your game. Yeah. I love it quarter Overstreet of the band Overstreet. Thank you so much. This is so fun. Thank you chord. Yeah, I mean that Matthew McConaughey impression. I just still can't get over it Court. Thank you so much. It was so much fun again. You guys make sure to check out Overstreet the single my ex. You can also check out the article in-flight magazine. It's really really good. You see those photos Hunter was talking about I can't deny. And you can check out the new music from Overstreet as well. The EP that is dropped. You can find us at at all. Our favorite people. You can find me at Ashley Iker you can find Hunter it at Nashville HK, make sure to rate review And subscribe. We don't you guys to miss a single episode. Thanks so much for so much for joining us. I'm just tripping over words today. Do you want anything else all revoir? Thank you guys for joining us and we'll see you next week.

Chord Overstreet is best known for his role as Sam Evans on the hit show GLEE, but it’s his band OVERSTREET and their new alt-pop single “My Ex” that has us really excited about this conversation. Their latest EP, Man on the Moon, is out now. Now based in Los Angeles, Chord grew up in rural Kingston Springs, Tennessee and began writing songs as a teenager with his dad, Grammy-winning singer-songwriter Paul Overstreet  (“When You Say Nothing At All”, “Forever and Ever, Amen”). Chord tells us about the process of finding his own musical voice, learning about comedy and performance on the set of GLEE from Jane Lynch and Kristin Chenoweth, and picking up some great career advice from Jimmy Buffett. And get ready for plenty of laughs, too. Between being a master of impersonations (Wait until you hear his impressions of Matthew McConaughey and Christopher Walken!) and his hilarious story about helping deliver goats all by himself on the family farm, Chord is full of surprises. --- This episode is sponsored by · Taking Sides - The Marriage Podcast: On Taking Sides - The Marriage Podcast listeners send in their relationship questions, disputes, and current disagreements.

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This is surviving are Kelly stay tuned you are tuned in to AfterBuzz TV the ESPN of tv top now look, You're watching from I hope you're doing fp6 as Kesha and that your summer praying because this was a lot like we might need to have a moment of silence just like from prayer for the victims for I Kelly. Okay. Well the idea that whole we release our cool, right the good news is we have a full panel today. Yeah. I'm so excited to get into the topics. I'm glad to be joining you guys again, I'm Elena. What's up everybody Keith Andre here. Hey Robin with the V and Tyler here. Happy to join you guys you guys. I don't know how we're really gonna navigate the part of the day two of the docu-series just because of episode 3 and 4 hardly focused on just the sex tape right and and the porn of it which gets a little difficult because we all have sisters and nieces and cousins and friends who have daughters and God daughters and all this stuff. So, Just before we dive into it. What was kind of like, how did you feel walking away from 3 and 4? For me, it's weird because obviously when it happened I was a lot younger, but I did feel a sense of guilt because I do remember seeing that tape I do I remember it being a buzz in school. We were in high school. I think was like ninth grade and I remember getting my hands on that tape going back home stick it in the vehicle the VCR and I was just like, how'd you get your hands on the tape? I don't even know. Is in high school, I was always the one with a videotape so I recorded all the fights at school. So I had to plug always and everybody it was just once you watched it. They pass it to the next person and it eventually got to me and that was something I felt I feel guilty now as a grown woman, obviously then I was younger, but I was just like we knew we all knew but here I am stepping in the name. Right and all you know, it's weird and I think I believe I can fly. I sang that song. I sang it good all my family members when we went out the church wanted me to sing it. So it just gave a very eerie feeling after watching those two episodes for me. Yeah. I feel like we got a lot more background on the tape and we got to see how it kind of got to where everyone's now seeing is different now because the This here and it's right once it's there. It can be shared. God knows where right so, I mean it started on tape and then I'm sure DVDs and then now the internet has it and I don't think it ever made it to DVD. Really? I don't think so. Goodbye DVD Because by the time but yeah. Yeah, that was just it let's kind of backtrack here. So we go from being introduced to our Kelly kind of getting his backstory seeing the things that he's gone through as a child and how he was on the verge of stardom the feel Good moment. You know the feel-good moment. He's starting to hang around his old high school. There's room there's rumors at this point from what we have the he's with these young girls. But now we move into three and four where he transitions from all these rumors to actually paying off families and young victims in being caught red-handed in a situation with a minor and I think if it wasn't for the Go sometimes we wouldn't really have any hardcore fact, we wouldn't even know that there were a plethora of lost their research has really exposed that so I mean and if I'm being honest when watching it, you know, that's the Chicago time. They're telling us how they're going into and they're researching and I'm like, I don't know what they're going to find cause at this point. I'm developing as a docu-series is going also right? Like I still have my own opinion. I still do feel like he's very much so guilty, but When it comes to like, oh, he's completely like red-handed. I'm like, where is it? Like if he is raping all these girls or just leaving - whatever the case maybe he's victimizing young girls somebody and their parents are coming forward. Where are they right agreed? Yeah. I think they were definitely the Catalyst and like giving it the real kind of world exposure it needed because I do feel leaving one and two you just felt like oh there's claims are there's rumors, but this is a black community issue and then when you Away from three and four. It's just like wow, you get to see this whole case kind of unfold similar to I think of I know it's clearly different but just like, you know, OJ Simpson how you kind of get these feelings when you're watching something before your eyes now, of course, it's years later. We didn't see it in real time. But right really how I felt about running away from it being revealed in a way in which we had no access to at the time and seeing it on a different light in the Chicago Chicago times. I feel like Like they cared enough. Yeah, I feel like they cared enough because it almost felt like that community in Chicago really held him on a pedestal even despite everything they knew and or heard and the Chicago Times like we're gonna we're gonna pull the curtain out. Yeah, and I still didn't help that much but it definitely, you know brought light to it and I was just going to say just thankfully. I mean, well there was something to show for it, right? - just The Chicago Sun-Times developing a story about because we had to get to like actually have something physically told right of you well, but once they've published that first article after doing the research for the lawsuits, they stay they reported having tons of girls call in and say I have my own story so like that they kind of opened the door for other victims to kind of use their voice or to come forward. I think what what hurts about it is is it's not that women weren't coming forward and even though Society may may not have been on the victim sides at that time. It is refreshing that the Chicago Times were but the the part that hurt me the most was them doing the research and then finding that there were five six figure dollar settlements that had been giving to these families who were filing lawsuits. So we don't really know how many women there were we don't know how many people try to come forward. We don't even know what they endured. We don't know. What the youngest. Is that he's ever been like we don't know what that is because they've been paid off and hush money right or he had them signed nda's and whatever the case may be and it's just like that's what you are suppressing a community of women who didn't go on to develop other type of problems from that situation come on out of the people that came forward. They even said even out of those that came forward. They still didn't come forward a hundred percent. It was only a certain Amount of them that a lot of them was like well, I don't want them to know all of this. I don't want them to know all of that. I don't want to expose my name. I don't and so you have to think about the ones who did get the hush money and think of the power that are Kelly got in rushing someone who could really use that money think of the position that a lot of these families were in because in a lot of those families didn't weren't wealthy. Hmm. So think of I feel it very sad when you can put a price on the well-being of your child, Yeah, that is the satyr part of it all I think because there's no amount of money. You could pay me sorry and then everybody does have their own phone. No, it's about you go, but I was just going to say this is that we can't really judge. I can't really judge. You know, the reasons behind it people settle out of court every day for various reasons. So I don't want to just say that like, oh if your family is one that settled if you made the decision to settle then that means like you didn't do right right, but I II do feel that those families there's a lot of those families that didn't come forward again. So I just I feel I feel like that says something even in itself in okay, so that that point is going to come back up because that kind of was an underlying thing for episodes three or four when it comes to the money. We saw it come up with different people but talking about the victims and how they didn't want that much to be out there. Even though they still were coming forward. We're introduced to Lisa Van Allen. Who was our Kelly's girl. And at the time she was I believe 17. Yes pretty young. If I'm correct. She was 17 when they got together and you know, they had their thing but man the drama yeah the stuff she started unfolding and I'm with her a hundred percent and in support of her, but I apart of me felt like a part of me felt when she was telling her story. Like how could you So she's talking about her story. She's talking about her relationship with our Kelly. She's talking about how he forced her made her have threesomes with with younger girls. She's also a minor at this point, even though in Chicago 17 is of age. Yes. I learned that from this show exactly. I never knew that I wouldn't when I read that part and I was just like, huh? I was like I had no idea. Yeah, so she's still a minor of sexual consent age. According to Chicago having threesome with who she thought was a 16 year old at the time. So this was the story that kind of right made me feel like what's the difference? Yeah. She comes in her mind. She's thinking. Oh, she's just a year younger than me. Right and I are man in she's young herself. So she's like, oh, she's 16 like she's probably turning 17 this year or something like that. Like there's no I mean when I think someone that's one year younger than me. I think we're the same. Age I think we're in the same bracket. We can be on the same page. But I mean I suppose it's a little different when you're talking about under you know 18, but I think it was that and it was just the fact that she was already caught up in not wanting to go against him and that whole psychological cycle that she had been in for a while at that point. It's like whether the girl was 12 or whether she was 14 like she was going to have to have sex with him. Regardless Glee drinking the Kool-Aid. It's so bright. It's no telling where they were mentally I sat here. And after I said what I said about her knowing better, I had a thought when we were kids. We have cousins or siblings who maybe two or three years older than us and when we were kids it seemed like they were so far much older or like the age Gap with so much different. Like I have bit cousins or people who are Elder to me and I'm like like light years away. But as I got older I was like no we were we were just we were the same age so I could understand how The time it could have been like oh 16. We're the same age bracket. Oh 14. That's a whole different world. Right but then I go back to the tape because as I mentioned I saw that table and and this episode I was like, oh my gosh, that's her on the tape that I saw and the 14 year old. So they're both on this tape, so you can see that I see the clay the did anyone else to take I'm ready and one looks like a grown woman body. Body-wise and the other one looks like way younger than me, you know at the time I was in my grade and her body just didn't even look developed. Wow, like it just didn't look developed and I won't get into details because but that's how I literally look nothing. This is a whole child from you being able to see the video. Could you Did you know that that was our Kelly in the video? Yeah, you can clearly was it was it wasn't a clear video is VHS a little shaky, but you can tell that that was him. You can tell even with the part when you tried to blame it on a little brother and said it was a little brother and all these things. It was just like oh it's a double it wasn't him and it's just like the person operating in that video lives there and you can tell they're very comfortable with the atmosphere and at one point someone in another room shouts his name there like got they even say yeah. They said they would like you are girls. You got to get on the line. Someone's on a line or something like that. That's like that's like that's you know, that's you know, okay. So before we get to the trout we have Lisa who's given us the the back story of how she had have threesomes and she found out that the girl was 14 not 16 and apparently R.Kelly love to videotape himself as any Millennial today would all be always have our phone. We're always trying to document. I know Islam that was before his time. He clearly should have channeled the energy somewhere else. So he's he's in love with videotaping himself, which naturally as a predator. You would also want to record your sexual encounters because as a psychologist said on the show, it's like that trophy that trophy kind of thing and and I get it. I'm not a predator, but I have to make that clear but I know the feeling of taking a good video in my opinion, what would Video and then watching it back and reliving those emotions like oh my gosh. I had so much fun Champion yourself, you know what? I mean? Like, yeah look at me. So to know that he did that same thing with child porn. Yeah. It's just like dude and he knew was wrong because we heard from the tour manager. He said that are the kahane to him. He's like dude. I can't stop I can't stop recording myself. So he knew that it wasn't right. He also said to his tour managers like the if these tapes get out they're going to destroy us. Right exactly. Like they're going to destroy me but us so imagine. I feed you. I keep food on your table Yeah us if you're not trying to go down then you need to protect me to protect us. Yeah, which sucks because I everyone looks at the team right like the team is responsible to for helping him cover it up, but they're looking at a completely different. They're the most guilty in separating Lisa from being the victim. Him and her being in that situation at the moment. She made a decision to save herself. When she stole the tape and it started to get rumored that the tape was going to be leaked. It wasn't like she's like she stole the tape. It wasn't she wasn't and she wasn't in the mindset of saying dang. We're on this tape. Let me not have this tape go out. Whatever the case. Maybe it's more so like yeah, he's a predator. Yeah, he victimizes us but I don't want my face to be seen but she gave it to someone another lawyer because because As a victim her mindset is anybody but him maybe I could be safe with she probably trusted whoever this other artists was the one who ended up getting out because she they didn't give us any information to give us any information as they were anything and I think to for her it was probably like that layer of I'm still just removed from this like no, I meant even though she's in the video with him and a minor but it's still like if I can say if my face isn't in here if I got there still a way for me to not be attached to this. Mess so much respect to her though reliving the story and being able to sit in front of a camera for the docu-series and say I had sex with a 14 year old. Yeah, that's a lot that me saying that I I have no affiliation to the situation and that just like that brought a lot out of me. Yeah. It's a hard thing to say. So, you know regardless of the decision. She made our didn't make I totally respect and appreciate her today for being able to not walk around what she Did not say he made me I only did it because granted that may be the case, but she still sat there and said and owns a it's okay. Yeah, right that's huge. Right because and it also is telling you I mean so many times we hear things that sounds that outlandish and our initial reaction is to like cancel this person or be disgusted. But when put in context it stands, you know what I mean to hear like, oh I was 17 and 16, but I think it takes a lot but But that type of friends and bravery was needed to like get the exposure right took Hannah go on, but at me and it's crazy because you went from this age group to the next and we'll talk about that in the next hour. Yeah. Hmm. I don't know Keith and I did this thing last episode where we kind of took the temperature of where we stood on how much of the docu-series we believed and how much we didn't now there was a story that came out that Lisa Van Allen only stole the tape to Or Kelly from money and not because she didn't want it to be seen she tried to use the tape against him. I kind of want to know how do you feel about that? Like do you think she stole the tape and took the tape out of his bag to save herself or was it like I could use this to like have one up on you. It seems that I don't think she would do that because it seems like all the people that were like the his victims were truly afraid and I don't think they would do anything or else. I feel like they could have left and not come back and done things like that, but she was going back after. After that, secondly it see it appeared to me that she took the tape because she was upset that she saw that he had been having sexual encounters with the 14 year old without her but she didn't see that until she took the tape right bro. She she she she watched the tape right but she's saying I had to I had to have a reason to take the tape before I could see this she watched the tape. She took the watch the tape and then she saw that and then she took it. Okay. I thought she just I don't know I don't Remember if she watched the tape then took the tape or took the tape and watch the tape or whatever. It was. She wanted to watch it your way and she took it so she could be in a safer place to watch it and not get caught. Right it was either it was once that she saw that there were separate acts. She thought this was the thing they did together. Hi and on that tape, which is the one I saw I didn't see them together. It wasn't a threesome that tape was something separate with her and then later it goes into the one with the him in the 14 like she said that she fast forward it and saw that right. I don't remember which one came first, but it sounds it appeared that she was hurt that it's so strong but that makes so much sense. If she that that's not the reason I'm trying to like figure out the timeline of it because if she did watch the tape them still that's then take the tape. It's like okay I was for it when it was us but for me to fast-forward and see this I'm now I'm going to take a cuz I'm pissed so I totally get that but then it changes things if she took the tape and didn't know that she would see this separate account. Encounter with jet, you know what? I mean? Right? I don't think she knew what she was going to find on the table. The cific what happened was he left the tape alone in a room with her in a black duffel bag? Yeah and while he was gone, she watched the tapes. Okay. She didn't like vocally say that she was pissed or anything like that that that it was separate a Chic account, but it was definitely changed. It was a it's so strange because you have these women and they were like, I was forced to do this. But there is a choice in being forced to innocence but when you're drinking the Kool-Aid, you know, your mind is scrambled. So even though she was in that position for her to be like no this was our thing. It was really his thing. This was all him everything that was done with what he wanted to be done. Right? But I feel like she was so used to it that she was like, okay, this is this is what I know. It's the brainwashing. Yes together. We are going to encounter we're going to engage together with her and I think she goes Yeah, I didn't know he then I saw him with her by themselves. I was not there and when she says that it's almost a self realization of a shock. It's a shock within a shock within a shock like that. She didn't matter like it didn't matter if I was present or not present. He still is going to do what to do. What like that was a shock for her truth makes sense because we have to remember they were like in a relationship. I mean it hurt in her mind her mind is right. I'm in a relationship. He doesn't do this with somebody else but to check in on like the temperature. I mean I can see an argument for both because especially if you add that layer inside I'ma go. I I don't think that she was trying to extort from money there and I don't think character but there is a story later. I will tell you of a person I think like this kind of went a different way, but that's right. But I believe I don't think she's trying to what store what made me believe her for me to give my check-in. I do not believe she was trying to take the money. And the reason I don't believe it is because if she was when rumor came out to the Chicago Times that someone may have had video she wouldn't have tried. She won the told him right? Hey I saw this video we need to try to get it back because I'm on that video, right if she wanted money for she would have been like I got a copy of the video right? She saw thought he was dishing out to those to the a person. Yeah, you know, I would easily be like, okay, but that choice though also and I mean if you if you have anyone that have experienced something like this. Maybe you can help me with the understanding of it the choice to call our Kelly and say I have this video. I don't we should get the video back, you know, we don't need the video to get out. She could have chose a different route and really ended ended him. Yeah, but she didn't and I think it was a good goes back to fear. Yeah, and sorry, I agree with you. I don't think that she did it to extort him because if she did she would have went ahead and released the video or took it to TMZ or whomever when she got it, but she didn't she gave it to someone else and told them to hold it. So I feel like like you said she would have wanted a completely different route if that's what she wanted to do. But she didn't yeah, I definitely think it was the like a Fear Factor just like growing up if you get a bear report. There's nothing worse than your parents knowing I think in this extreme is The only thing worse is for him to find that are for the world to see who he is. Right and ultimately you got remember she loved him. Yeah, she loved him and you know, they all loved him. You know what I also have to remember. So Lisa has she's very strong and her Essence her strength. Just alludes. We don't know how much therapy or what kind of healing it took for her to be in front of the camera to say I had sex with a 14 year-old compared to her mentality then like those cheat though. She's strong right now and she's doing all of that that does not mean she had that same mindset where she could have easily been like this is a fort like she knew that having sex with a 14 year old was wrong and she was obviously upset about it was like this crosses a line, but there's there's development. She's She's a full, you know develop into the woman that she would be exactly. So we also have to remember that the decisions at the time she made the best decision that she could for herself. Yeah. Which gets a little crazy. So we're introduced back to Sparkle. So I bring up Lisa strength because Sparkle also has two strength, but she also has a different reality in these two episodes because she watches the tape also and notices that the little girl the 14 year old has the same hairstyle that her niece just got for her 14th birthday. Mmm. Yep, and she knew immediately. That was her niece immediately because she feels like she wanted to Just like any one of you would notice one of your family members and if you would be able to point them out if that was them, you know, that that's them, you know, and then to seek to have to see them in that light. I cannot fathom this was this was the second heartbreaking story for me because through the trial the video is now out someone put out a copy like jumping through the whole lie detector test with Lisa and Whoever she gave the tape to our Kelly to make sure that there's no other copies. Obviously the guideline he felt the test, which is also which also is very crazy that he made them both. Take a lie detector test who who who gave me that idea you go through all these extreme levels. So the tapes out there. They're they're going to file child pornography charges against you 21 counts of that. That's He's the house money King baby. You have to take it to that next levels and Heights. That's ridiculous. He's a control freak. He wants to know everything he needs to have his hand and pretty much everything. He had to know. He's a predator. Yeah, so there are trowel and the Sparkle and her niece and their family broke me to the core. Yeah because you now have evidence of this man. Even I don't even know what to call it because it's not just simple hardcore porn is not simply a child pornography. It's not simply rate like it's so much more than that because it's tied to so many different girls again there I go camera motion. I feel you. So frustrating it is there you have him on trial you have the opportunity to put him away. Then before before the family even breaks and it's all of these things you have the trial that's delayed. For years years and years that is that enters you directly into the mine of our Kelly. and the fact that he had the power to delay it how I still don't even and it was delayed for eight years. Yeah, that's insane. I didn't even know that they had the power to do that. It's what it's for the defendant, right? The defendant has the power to delay it and delay it which I think he's considered the defendant, right and that's case. Yeah, because which has he has to defend himself which work in his favor obviously, but the thing is, I don't think that just happened he knew exactly what he was doing. Well. Yeah, that's the point because a little girl on on the stand in front of the jury. Make him look worse. He needed her to grow a little more. He needed time to maybe work on them and communicate with them and and and talk to them because what was he really good at doing he was good at coaching the women the girls. He was good at, you know, teaching them how to speak and deal with certain questions like he did with Alia so he needed that time to butter up himself to make him look better. Yeah, and it obviously works is who knows what kind of conversations he had with sparkles. Brother and sister-in-law and they explained that they said I guess the defendant also has the right to a speedy trial so you can get It sped up if that's what you want to do. But like you said he chose not to purposely the 14 year old that was in Sparkles. Nice went from being 14 to 22 about time. Oh my gosh, that trout happened like like what? Yep how that that that pissed me off. So that was one of the things that like really pissed me off because You have this man. I don't care what the defendant wants you do not appease know the fact that he wanted to go slower or to delay it. No, that's not happening. Yeah, you have a child. No, that's not happening. Yep, and I hate to think like this, but I can't help but to feel that if these were white girls, right and and it was still our Kelly or a black man. I feel like that would have gotten squashed. I don't think that would have been allowed or the parents would have Made sure that that didn't happen but the parents in this situation, it seems like they weren't trying to put our Kelly for this early trial the parents were just not non-existent. You have to ask yourself that kids where were their parents? How did you allow your teenage daughter to go? You know to how did you allow our colored even have access to her? Yeah. How does that happen seemed like there were there were two different ways like either the child was Interested in becoming a star he's a rapper right? She was a rapper singing some sort of Entertainer or they were just a super fan. I know one girl. I can't remember her name was there were so many but she said that she had a single mom. Her. Mom was always working. So when your mom was working that's when she would go spend time. So that's something she's coming up in the next two episodes. Yeah. See some parents just didn't know they had no idea until it was too late. So see a some of them shouldn't have let that happen, but then others just didn't know but in this case I feel Like the parents may not have known in the beginning but I feel like once they found out there was like a Talk Amongst them that yeah, something got communicated that we're going to just sit this one out and and and I don't want to judge them because in their mind it might have been for the betterment of the little girl. Yeah, because I don't want her to grow up behind it. But we know that nobody is saying who then yeah, we still don't know who she is and that's how protected she's been and imagine had the opposite occurred. All know her name we all know where she is what she's been doing specially because at the trial not only did you have people wanting to put him away you kind of that was it was Zero presentation almost of people saying Lockhart Kelly up it was more so of he's innocent y'all trying to lock up another black. Yeah. Y'all trying to lock up lock up another black man, right these girls wanted it. So as as a parent, I also would understand protecting, you know that sense of it, but Don't send your family to the trial just don't do it or or have that conversation with sparkle. Like there's a way to talk about it with the your family and it's in the whole family without the mess that it was at the trial her brother got on the stand and said that's not mine. That's not mine. That's not - that's not my daughter and my niece. Yeah, like that's not her what I heard. Yeah, you have the aunt saying that's for sure my niece and then her brother saying that's for sure not might like Yeah, some man that had to have been so frustrating for Sparkle, especially she had the weight on her shoulders a feeling that it was her fault and she put her niece in that position. I can't even imagine how hard that was to deal with and she said she didn't talk to her family for 10 whole years right over and over this. Yeah, I mean, but imagine if you if your family is going head-to-head where you believe this and you believe this and we both aren't backing down. So we're both telling our troops. Yeah, but but but we don't know. They didn't believe it or if because what we understand is our Kelly and the nice developed a relationship so he could she could very well still be with him there was so I forget which part of the series I was watching, but we thought that they had no more relationship. I at one point at one point until Lisa was like we had the threesome with the 14 year old girl. I know this. Fourteen-year-old girl found out and and what's-her-name. Javonte said this is the same 14 year old that she said that was made that was my baby. So she made us understand that we thought our Kelly was done with sparkles knees but she's in fact the one that he Captain's gone what and then even if you're going to protect her that's fine. I totally understand that take the money if that's the option. Also if we going to protect you we gonna take the money too because now to Ready broke and we her and use that money for the years and years of counseling and therapy exactly what you through. However, there is a way to punish him for all the other women because you know that you're not the only you know that you're not the only minor right. So instead of just let him walk away with it. And then what makes it worse is right after the trial the Miami incident shows up where he what you can't get a he couldn't get enough. I can't help but think that if he would have if the family Sparkles Family would have said Ed yes, that's her. None of what happened after that would have happened because our television been put away so many people have been saved. Yeah, and then you also have sparkle nice his friend who who's fighting for I'm I'm fighting for you. I know that that's you I know what happened to you. I know who you were. I know who you can come close and the coach I'm fighting for you. Do you know how heartbreaking it is for us to finally have the opportunity to lock this animal away. And no like you won't even I'm not a hundred percent convinced that if the family would have come forward if he wouldn't have gotten off because as you see they asked one of the jurors and he's like, I just can't believe none of them. Yeah. I didn't I'm leaving he said because they were black girls. He said because of how they looked and how they have a dress and and that's how a lot of black women females are feet each other. How that's how we are perceived. That's how we're taught to see each other like so even while watching it we we're watching like what's your mannerisms? Like? Let me see if I can believe you. She seemed like she was out there. She's probably like he was fast exactly so sad disgusting and that's where we hold ourselves accountable. Like we need to start looking in the mirror and figuring out cuz he's not the archives not the only one know who to lay. So we get into some new things. Well Keith, what what what what what is it gets worse. It only gets worse because we hear from Jada Pinkett Smith about art Kelly's record sales going going up streaming going screaming - what's going on watch one, two, three and four parts and then the initial the next response is he makes more money that makes no sense to me. Well, this is gonna say and everyone's been talking about the fact that the songs are telling us everything. We need to know so everyone wants to go back and listen to these songs, which is causing listens to go up which is causing money to go up. So, I don't know if there's anything we can really do about that. You're not listening for free on YouTube, right? But it's like, I mean we can be upset that it's happening but people are still going to do it when people think it's funny still they suggest we allow some people need Chappelle and Boondocks, you know, we allowed it to be funny right? I could see wiggle room like after three and four, but I feel like after watching five and six like I know like my responsibility is to be like, oh same you are Kylie. We have a quick video from Jada Pinkett Smith where you can find on her Instagram at Jada Pinkett Smith. I'm just to get more into the details see the comments again into the conversation of why is his records going up. I guess I guess we just want to we want to read here but as we mentioned earlier like the songs, even though we're watching the documentary we might be against it the songs have been playing in my head and give me Q. I'm not listening to them. I'm not streaming them. I know them by Heart Like that's how much of his music I was into. Yep, Chile Miss Smith. Mrs. Smith. We're going to get into parts of five and six soon. But until then you guys know where to find us. Is this Jada talking about videos? She's just so confused about it and I'm having a really difficult time understanding why you were kicking holes. I think she just kind of trying to I really would like for you guys to help me understand what I'm missing. Even if it even if I'm missing something that I don't necessarily agree with I just want to understand what I'm missing. So if you could sound off below that be great and we can continue the conversation Wednesday at 5 p.m. Pacific. I'm on our Facebook live. I love and I don't want to believe that it's she's using her platforms. Don't know. Yeah, I don't want to believe that it's because like girls don't matter. So let me know. I love that. She's using her platform. I love that she spoke up about watching it with her daughter and having real conversation about it because it is a societal thing. Yes. It is very much is outside of the trial and everything else. We all played a part in it also with not Leaving it could be him for sure. You know what I mean for sure and everybody is in a super well, whether they're super fans are not everyone doesn't know other lyrics by heart like you right now what I'm saying? So I do think them trying to listen to the songs and they're like wait, wait what because my mind's telling me no, but what but my body of child when I hear that now, you know, what you're doing is wrong your mind is telling you know, because you're doing something you shouldn't be doing why would Might be telling you know, if you're just an adult doing adult things with another adult unless you just have to play hard to get with another dope, but we know that that's not the case now when we listen to that it gets it gets it gets really really hard. But for real like Elena said y'all should just do it on YouTube. Yeah, stop streaming music. We'll get more into this conversation for day 3 the final two episodes of surviving are Kelly until then you can follow me on all social platforms at hand to score it. 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Hey everybody, this is Shane McCormick from the cheap home grow podcast. And on today's show. I have returning guest. Dr. MJ from cocoa for cannabis doctor. MJ comes on the show today to talk about the importance of stress training and Topping. Please remember to press subscribe and enjoy the show. Hey, everybody before the stress training and Topping podcast starts with dr. MJ. I invited him back on and he's going to be talking about his spring Auto flour challenge. JH and is going to be starting April 20th AKA 420. So, dr. MJ. Can you tell my audience a little bit about this challenge? Yeah, absolutely shame. Thanks for having me on to do this. We're going to do this bring out of flour challenge. We like to do these grow challenges that are collaborative grows. They're not competitions. Everybody's welcome to come and Grow With US new Growers old Growers whoever for this challenge. We're going to grow Auto flowers and we're going to germinate them on XX we're really excited because we're going to try to grow the same strains or at least try to match up a lot of the same strings to try to facilitate that I put together a really great deal with the London SEED Center. They're going to give everybody 25% off your the official strains that we've selected and they're going to go ahead and give you 10% off anything else your order with yet that package as well. So we're going to be growing Auto glue Berry OG think different, Colorado. Oh cookies and night Queen all from the breeder Dutch Passion. They're all really great autoflowering strains, and you know, hopefully there's something there for everybody. So I hope everybody would come and you know, it's just a great opportunity to get to grow together in the spirit of collaboration where just a friendly helpful Community. Nobody's going to give you a hard time or try to harass you. We just like to grow together. So come on over to Coco for cannabis.com Weird / challenge you still got plenty of time to order your seeds and Dan to get ready to grow with us on 4/20. All right. Dr. Andre. Thank you very much and guys, please enjoy the stress training and Topping podcast. Hello and welcome to the cheap home grow podcast a show for individuals that want to learn more about growing cannabis indoors. This is a podcast dedicated to helping you with your indoor growing Adventure. You'll learn how to grow your own and not have to rely on others for your medicine the cheap home grow podcast will also feature timely interviews with cannabis industry veterans shaping the culture and politics of cannabis. All right here is your host Shane McCormick and the cheap home grow podcast. Hello everybody. This is Shane McCormick from the cheap home grow podcast, and we have returning guest and Fan Favorite doctor MJ cocoa, or dr. MJ for short. He can be found on Twitter and Instagram at dr. MJ Coco. Now when he was last on the show, we talked about germination, but he comes back on the show today and he's going to be talking about topping and training. So doctor if you would could you please once again just give a very brief background about yourself and then we can get right into the topic of conversation. Okay? Sure. Thanks Shane. It's a pleasure to be back with you today. Yeah, my name is MJ Coco. I have a PhD and I work with Farmers. I published the book cocoa for cannabis a Growers guide which is published through green Harvest press and available on Amazon and I run the website cocoa for cannabis.com where our His to help Growers maximize their success by sharing proven practices in scientifically accurate articles tutorials and gods as I started getting into sore growing my own and growing in Coco. I realized there's a lot of different information available in different sites on the web and a lot of its contradictory. A lot of it isn't very scientifically accurate. So we've started putting together these resources to help Growers and Sort of provide good positive proven information coming from the science of horticulture. Okay. Well listen doctor MJ. Thank you for coming on the show again. I am long with my listeners. Appreciate it. We appreciate you coming back on in the information that you provide but let's get right, you know, let's get right into the topic of conversation and that being that being topping and training now, you know, you know as you as you know, my My audience, you know, they are people, you know, they are listeners that are probably just getting into growing their own or maybe they've been a you know, maybe they've been a been through a few a few grows. So I mean really in terms of topping and training techniques. I mean, you know, what would you recommend that they do? Yeah. Well first of all topping and training or really effective strategies Especially for indoor growing and they can be started on your first grow. You don't need to sort of wait and get experience growing untrained plans before you start training and basically let's start with thinking just why we want to train our plans in the first place. A lot of people think that plants know how to grow themselves and sort of have evolved to grow effectively and to an extent that that's true our cannabis plants. Evolved to grow sort of in competition with a lot of other plants and they're in competition to get up and get the sunlight, you know before they get shaded out and that's not the the scenario that we're sort of growing and inside a tent or inside an indoor grow room. So in nature plants need to invest a lot of energy and sort of getting tall quickly so that they can get up above the rest of the plants and can abbess has evolved to produce that one sort of terminal Cola that rises above the rest and make sure that it continues to get the light when you're growing indoors. That's not a very good sort of way to maximize your you're harvesting of the light energy. So we're providing light and spending a great deal of electricity to provide that light. So we want to make sure that we sort of take maximum advantage of the light and and that means having as much of the plant And the right distance from the from the light as possible. So instead of a sort of a tall Christmas tree shape plant. We want to have a broad almost a table top shape plan that has a big broad flat canopy instead of a tall skinny Tower. So the sort of goal of plant training is to achieve that shape that sort of spreads the plant out and keeps a lot of it the right distance from the light. Right. Usually there's two types of training you have you have you have low stretch training in high-stress training. I mean really as a new grower that's growing inside. I mean what I mean what which which one would you recommend that a new or a novice grower do and also what you know, what are the what are the differences between low stress and high stress? Perfect. Yeah low stress training is really when you're not going to cut. Or pinched or injured the plant or at least you're going to try not to do any of those things. So let us just training is usually just bending parts of the plant over including the whole plan. Sometimes you try to bend the whole plant over and tie it down and you do that to sort of promote a shift in apical dominance. Solo service training is just sort of bending in tying and high stress training is any kind of cutting that you're going to do to the plan to topping faming or even super cropping is considered a high stress technique, even though you're not cutting your severely pinching and bending the plant in that way now for new Growers, I think you should plan to use the combination of both low and high stress training. Um, one of the things about low-stress training that I think especially new Growers. It sounds less risky low-stress sounds like low risk, but in a lot of ways low-stress training is actually higher risk than high stress training. Yeah, when you're bending the plant over oftentimes, you can just snap it unexpectedly in a place that you didn't really want to snap it and so you got to be careful. You don't sort of low stress too hard and it really does create some sort of a risk as you're putting that stress in that pressure on the plant. So if you do it, well, it is low stress on the plant but there's actually a good deal of risk involved in low stress training high stress training has sort of higher stress on the plant because you're going to be removing parts of it or you're going to be pinching it, but there's less risk of things sort of going. Wrong or going sideways on you. So it may be a little bit higher stress for the plant. But but there's lower risk involved. So really don't let those sort of labels convince you they what you should do is new Growers just the low stress training. It's still very appropriate and actually, you know topping which is considered a high stress technique is probably the easiest technique To master. It doesn't take you know, it doesn't take a tremendous amount of skill to just sort of cut the top off the plant, right? It can take much more skill to figure out like how much can I bend this down? And where should I tie it and how am I bending it down all of that. I mean that takes sort of more skill and practice topping just takes a pair of scissors and you know a little bit of Courage, right? Yeah, and you would just basically Cut the stem and boom in and you're done. Exactly exactly you just cut the stem off you I usually when I do my first topping on my plants, I grow a modified main line and I'll talk about that in a little bit here. But the first topping that I do I let the plants ground until they have six true nodes. So six nodes serrated leaves and then I top the top three nodes off. So I cut the plant in between the third and the fourth Fourth node, and it's like removing half of the plant. It takes a little bit of a sort of convincing to new Growers that this is a good idea good thing to do, but it certainly doesn't take any skill to go and sort of take a pair of scissors and cut the plant in half. So yeah in terms of sort of skills that are appropriate or practices that are appropriate for new Growers. I think topping is an absolutely appropriate. Technique for new Growers. I don't think you need to have much experience and I think it really is beneficial and let me talk a little bit about sort of why we top or why we want to train in really any of these ways. It cannabis plants have a form of apical dominance where the Apex or the the top growth tip on any stock. Awk severely limits the growth of the the lower growth tips on that same stock. So the top or that apical growth tip produces a hormone called auxins and those auxins flow downward through the plant and inhibit the growth of lower branches. So when you're growing a plant that's not trained you'll notice that that top The top color that tub growth tip grows much better than the ones right under it and then at well down if you have a tall plant five or six nodes down the branches will start growing better. And that's because the auxins don't flow very far. They sort of they have a proximity effect. So the auxins are produced by that Apex and then they sort of filter down through the plant inhibiting the growth of the lower. Ranches, but especially the lower branches that are close to the Apex as it gets further away the effect of the auxins wears off and those branches start to grow out more and it's because of that that cannabis plants end up growing like a Christmas tree with the lower branches well developed, but the branches close to the Apex are short and almost stunted. So when you top a cannabis plan and you cut off that Apex growth Tip it eliminates the source of the auxins and that almost immediately the next set of growth tips down will assume dominance. They're no longer being inhibited by the auxins and they start growing much better and I actually go through in my manifold process. I'm doing this modified main line. I top twice. Ice and at that point there's really the distribution of auxins coming from the the Apex growth tips are so distributed through the plant that all the branches grow crazy and you get branching and really sort of good growth good horizontal growth at that point that would never happen. If you didn't top the plan because that that Apex growth tip would be inhibiting all of that lower sort of growing. Um, so topping is the most effective way to when we call break apical dominance and it sort of redistributes the growth potential of the plant out into the branches and you get your able to then have four tops or have eight times. I usually grow plants that end up having eight main colas and you can spread those out to sort of maximize that the way the plant receives. Light and create a nice even canopy as opposed to started that Christmas tree shape you end up pulling like a candelabra shape or sort of a something like a candelabra or a menorah from Hanukkah. Right? Right, right. Exactly. Now, I mean II know we just said, you know topping is pretty straightforward. But you know, I mean you said that you top multiple times during yeah, as some need that that grows myself. I mean, you know How do you know when to top and not to top during your girl? I mean other certainly that's a perfect question. You know, I mean, I mean, what do you what do you look for when you want your plan to be growing? Well, you don't want to plant or top a plant that's struggling in any way or that's having any kind of issues. So if it's dealing with any kind of nutrient issues, if it's dealing with any kind of you know in Cocoa oftentimes early, you get some cal-mag issues. You want the plant to Of get through all of that and be growing well before you start topping. The other thing is you don't want to top a plan before it's had a chance to sort of develop a root mass. So I never taught plants until they have six true nodes and you can you can top in different ways. There's a training technique just single top training where you just planted top the plant once that really reduces the The the apical dominance allows a lot more branching and gets a much better plant. I do a modified main line, which is topping it twice and it's very sort of formulaic. So as long as your plants are growing, well, I just do a fairly simple formula for how I highly trained my plants let them grow out until they have six true nodes then I top I say I top to the third know But I actually top just below the fourth node, and then actually leaves quite a bit of stump sort of above that third node and that stump acts as sort of an anchor and Anchor Point to tie the the plant together. So I leave the growth tips at the third node those two growth tips and I take off the growth tips from the first and second node. So at that point after my first topping there are only two growth tips on my plane. And those are the two sort of lateral branches from the third node. I leave all the leaves that I can so when I trim those lower growth tips, I do not trim the leaves I try to leave those. Yeah. Yeah leaves Harvest light energy and help the plant to grow. So especially early on when a plant is Young and small and only has a few leaves you want to leave as many In the leaves as you possibly can so then I have those two growth tips. They're usually pretty short at this point. But because of the training that I just did especially topping it there now the Apex and they grow pretty quick. I usually wait about five to six days and those two growth tips already have three nodes on them each and I just let them grow naturally for those five to six days. I just Sort of let them grow they each growth hip gets gets about three growth and our grandkids about three nouns. And then I either do LST of those stress training where I just tie the two nodes down there the two branches down or usually what happens because the plants are growing really well at that point is that I actually have two super crop to get those two branches to get down. So two super crap. You have to really pinch the point where you want the And to bend before you bend it and and you want to you want to pinch it hard at that point and then sort of hold it while you bend it down. It puts a little almost a fold in the plant which will create sort of a knuckle in the growth respond in it in a response to that and create actually a structural point of strength. It looks when you first do it like it'll be a point of weakness, but it creates a little point of strength that that super cropping. So at this point you have a plant that looks almost like a t it comes up and then there's two branches and you want those two branches to be sort of horizontal with three with three growth nodes on them. I top those two branches at that point. So they don't grow past the third node. Okay, and I remove the growth tips from the second node. I'm just I'm just trying to get it. I'm just trying to vigils with yeah, so At that point I have to break branches and they have to growth tips at the first node and to growth tips at the 3rd note. Okay, two girls tips. The seconds go. Okay. Yeah the to grow tips that would have been at the second were removed. So you end up with for growth tips on each branch or a total of eight growth tips. All right. So so basically with those eight growth tips, they are in that sweet. Spot regarding the light. Yeah. Well, they're all then you have eight growth tips that are all at the same height the same tension, right and from that point forward, they'll all grow equally so they'll all grow at the same speed because they're not getting inhibited by each other by the the ox and slowing down where because they're all starting from the same height position and auxins won't flow down one branch and then up another they only flow down so when you get Was eight tips that are all their own leaders, then they'll all grow at the same speed and that's when you can start doing fun things with training. You know, I know you've had Atlas plant trainer on here before. Yes, Robin. Yeah, and I've got a knotless plant trainer myself now and I think it's just the perfect sort of training device for this style that I'm talking about this modified main line that I'm talking about. About because you got your eight now Mains and you can train them sort of away from each other which opens up the inside of the plan and since you've trained it to eight Mains that all of the branches on these plants are going to grow. Well, you're not going to have that stunting that you normally have on your branches when you don't top a plant. So you're going to have all of your now lateral branches coming off of those eight means are going to be growing. Really well and able to actually reach the canopy you're going to have more of those lateral branches, then you can actually keep so one of the the challenges in this in this training style is sort of figuring out which of those branches you need to prune and how many of them you're going to have space for and you'll end up with with the plant with just a bunch of tops a bunch of those top colas and far fewer. I've sort of the lower popcorn Cole has that form lower on the branches. I mean, you know most Growers really prefer to have the tops anyway, so it's a it's a better way of training sort of that kind of the kind of product that you want to end up with in the end. Yeah. That's yeah, that's true. I mean I had I had robbed on the show. Actually. I spoke with him a couple days ago. We were supposed to get together. Well during my work but you know things got busy and I And I couldn't meet up with him. So if he is listening, which I hope he is Rob. I apologize but him and I will be talking soon. Yeah. Yeah. I really I think he's got a great product you dumb. I just want to put that out there and I'm really excited to try it. I've thought about lots of different things for training have been tempted to use tomato cages in the past. The problem with tomato cages is if you put one that's actually big enough for how big the plants are going to end up. It'll get in the way of the lights when the plants are little and if you put one that's not big enough, then it's not going to sort of help you in the end. I've used bamboo just bamboo Stakes that but I had to get six foot tall bamboo Stakes to get them tall enough to support the colas at the end of the grow and that's just incredibly awkward to try to be adding a five or six foot section of bamboo and Sided 10th. It's barely larger than that. So being able to sort of grow that training device and build it as the plant is growing is just going to be really awesome and let's make it go or sort of you want it to go. So I think it's the perfect solution and if you want to do a main line like I did then I think that that was planned trainer really couldn't couldn't be a better solution than that. And you know, I'm going to be doing this I think by the time this episode airs, my plant should be sort of wealth or cyborg up with its Atlas plan trainer sort of half half plants have machine there. So yeah it encourage your listeners to if they're interested to check out my grow. I will be documenting that grow on our Forum on Coco for cannabis.com forward slash Community come check out our form check out my grow and you'll see sort of How I've trained the plant and how I'm using that was plant trainer, you know, is there anything that I'm missing? Is there anything that I should be asking that I'm not any any final statements on your end? Yeah. Well, you know, there's a few other things that I do in terms of training. I do a lot of super cropping during the grow which is a really great way to to manage sort of runaway colas if you have one that's growing faster than the Others or if they're all growing too fast and you're running out of room you can use super cropping which again a lot of new Growers are somewhat scared Orson a skeptical of super cropping requires that you pinch the crap out of the plant. You really want to it's yeah people say that, you know, you pinch it and then you fold the plant over but you want to pinch them. Harder than you can pinch and you want to fold incredibly gently. So super cropping is really about pinching hard and and folding easy, but it plans to respond really well to that. So you really almost can't pinch too hard. You just take the stock where you want the plant to sort of fold over pinched it from both sides with the pads of your fingers as hard as you can you should feel the the pin the plant sort of pop and go squishy. It'll make you a little bit sort of queasy the first time you do it because you'll be convinced. You've just done something bad, but that's exactly what you want to do. You want to sort of get it soft and Squishy from one side and then move your fingers around sort of clockwise on the thing and do it from the other direction and get it soft and Squishy and then fold it down and hold it in place. That's a great way to sort of move colas away from each other. Other or to manage the height of your canopy. I also lollipop my plants. So once a solid canopy has formed and there are leaves and growth tips that are then left totally in the shade I go ahead and I trim those off that promotes airflow it promotes efficient growth, but and I think we'll talk a little bit more about this in an upcoming episode. so done sort of things not to do but I never d foliate i do prune and I selectively remove leaves but I don't do any indiscriminate removal of leaves leaves are there to harvest light energy and promote plant growth there never sort of a problem that needs to be removed just because there are leaf and I see a lot of of You Growers sort of follow the misguided advice to cut a dramatic amount of leaves off of your plant at various stages. So I think that that's almost always a mistake but there are reasons to prune particular leaves to lollipop the lower leaves that are no longer getting light occasionally ta to manage humidity. It's important to remove a few leaves, but it's never a good idea to promote the development. Development of flowers removing leaves in general will inhibit the development of flowers not promoted. But again, I'll talk a little bit more about that. We have a episode coming up on what not to do and I'll get more into that. Yeah, the point the overall point of training is just to think about how to capture the light and how to sort of spread the plant out so that it's making the maximum use of the light while maintaining air flow and other other Things that you're just trying to get your tabletop to sort of harness all that light energy doctor. I'm Jay. I mean just going back to super cropping. I have one. I have one question for you. Absolutely. How do you choose which branches to Super crop? You know, I I end up super cropping all of my branches at some point or another but to do it selectively usually do it because there's one, you know, I talked about the way I treated. Train plants and up with one with eight colas that all should grow at about the same speed. So you end up with sort of eight tops that are all the same height but there's often one sort of renegade that wants to grow faster than the rest or a couple Renegades that want to get started grow faster than the rest. So I'll let them I encourage growth in my grow. I never it always sort of this strikes me as odd when a grower will say like I'm trying to sort of inhibit the growth Both on that one to let the others catch up and I'm thinking now you should promote the growth everywhere as best you can and sort of then knock it down with super cropping or do something like that. So I'll let those those Renegades that want to grow. I'll let them grow until there's several inches taller than the rest and then I'll choose a point that's about an inch or two lower than the other tops are and I'll super crop at that point. Which means That I'll sort of pinch the stem of the taller Cola there. Like I was describing really pinch it until it's soft and pliable and then the plant will just almost fall over on its own at that point. So you just sort of load and very gently lower it down and have a support and place the twist tie or the soft tire something to sort of hold that Cola and they You may have to hold it up because it'll be wanting to sort of fold that fall down because you did a good job and pinching but the plant will recover quickly and it will want to pop back up. So you also have to sort of restrain restrain it to prevent it from just sort of popping back up into position. And the that Cola will bend around whatever restraint you've put in place and then it we'll just be sort of at the height of those other Cole has any other growth tips that were sort of involved like, you know, the lower growth tips that are now either on the horizontal section or close to the top of right below where you super cropped it those will start to develop better now because they'll be more and more direct light and they won't be receiving the the auxins down from that lower growth to It's sort of at the same height that they are so it does it does really great things. I like to Super crop most of my colas almost whether they need it or not during the third week of 12 12 or what's really the second week of this stretch that gives them enough time to turn around and sort of keep growing in their new positions from that and I've done side-by-side. Merriments with sort of unsupervised opt colas and super cropped colas and this the ones that I super crop always seem to grow better fatter colas than the ones that I don't I've gotten in sort of arguments. There's debates. I'll call them debates with my with my partner. Dr. Photon who's unsure of sort of the biological mechanism that could be responsible for those those larger colas. but there are certain ways that it promotes the reception of light, but certainly my experience has been that the supercritical is do better than those that don't so I liked it to try to Super crab cause if they present an opportunity to do so at the end and on my current grow, I'm harvesting right now, but I super cropped all these plants really late right at the end of this stretch later than most guides would suggest that you should super crop and the plants did really well and are producing really well. I was really happy with sort of the way. I ended up with a lot of sort of horizontal sections of stem near the top of my canopy because of the way that I super cropped late and they all produce really nice sort of buds. That would have been lower popcorn buds developed into these really delicious looking buds. I was The I haven't super crop quite that late before so it's a I'm a huge advocate of super cropping. Okay? Yeah, you know I can I can definitely tell man. Yeah good. Well, well listen doctor MJ. I appreciate you coming on the show as do. I'm sure my listeners do as well. So when you guys get a shot go to Coco for cannabis.com sign up for the Forum and we can all talk and basically learn learn how to grow from there. Yeah. Absolutely. It's always better. We say grow your own but don't grow alone. So let's grow together. I think that being involved in a community like that and having a chance to sort of share your stories and and share your successes, you know, share your Joy's with people a lot of Growers are sort of forced to be on the down low and in a lot of ways and can't be, you know, I'm going to work and talking about their grows with their colleagues or other things like that so you can come and talk to What about them? We'd love to you know here you're here about your grows and see your pictures and watch you Journal. So yeah come and sign up for our forum, and let's grow together. Well, listen, ah, dr. NJ, thank you again. I do appreciate it. Absolutely. It's always a pleasure shame. Hey everybody. Thanks for listening to my podcast with dr. MJ. You can follow him on Instagram and Twitter at dr. MJ Coco. I hope you've enjoyed this episode and please remember To press the Subscribe button. You can visit cheap home grow.com / episode 53 to get show highlights. 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I invited Dr. MJ from Coco For Cannabis back on the Cheap Home Grow podcast, and he was kind enough to talk about how to stress train and top your cannabis plants. His explanation of how stress training and topping is easy to understand and his advice is perfect for a new or even experienced home grower that's looking to pick up a few helpful tricks on how to maximize yield. We here at the Cheap Home Grow Podcast always appreciate Dr. MJ's almost "precision like" approach to growing your own. He's been on the show in the past and talked about germination, transplanting and how to grow in coco coir. This podcast with Dr. MJ won't disappoint. Please listen and tell me what you think in the comments section below.

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It's here ... something so close to home, this is officially episode 1 of my podcast, Man Made Mind. What your ears will hear, that your eyes can read;  I have always had this perpetual interest to discover the why, to observe and decipher why we think and behave like we do. I often take it to my notes with every 'aha' moment, from realizations and philosophies to resolutions. In this I reveal my deeper truths, frameworks, and definitions to my life. Every time I tapped further and sought harder, humans became that much more fascinating, and life? well life get's reinforced as the greatest subject to be studied. See ... what's living upstairs, something you and I share, this mind of ours, it's what I spend most my time with, it's what I call my favourite instrument. It manages to inspire, heal, invent, quiz, simplify and like most hobbies it's get's me out of almost every conflict. Now let's not forget what's out here, what's in front of us, what is all man made, what has the world saying; ' life is what you MAKE of it! ', truthful, powerful and simplified, kinda like what's living upstairs, what has me saying 'mind is what you MAKE of it', too. What I've been able to make of my life, starting with what I've been able to make of my mind, has been one of the most rewarding experiences yet, it's done a lot for me, and this is where I show you how it can too. Welcome to Man Made Mind. In this first episode, I let you in on the birth of this podcast, and give you a quick insight on how you can exercise your superpower. Feedback and reviews are invited and appreciated! Share with anyone you think could benefit! Follow me on instagram; @martinaphuong  Follow me on twitter; @martinaphuong_ All love,

There's lots to choose from and I mean the campus here's a band that never had a number one hit ever yet have sold over 300 million albums. We could have gone in any direction when it came to this band. I mean we even did a Twitter vote thing and this album came out above the other we could have gone with Led Zeppelin for and we still might but right now it seems like this is the the bee's knees Led Zeppelin to it's a rock and roll album. What was ideally and supposed to be a little bit of a softer entity of an album ended up really in the long term becoming the opposite and I'll give you an example of that whole lot of love possibly one of the most famous guitar riffs ever even in the middle when it comes down to the more calming and wild psychedelic pieces that are through the center of it. All it is is Kramer the producer and Robert Plant beg my pardon Jimmy. Aged, just twiddling all the numbers in the figures and everything like that and playing with all the bits and pieces to get that kind of sound John Bonham. Of course was the drummer our IP for John Bonham and even a hero to today's standard and the difference was this because I keep getting asked what made John Bonham so great. What was the what was the quintessential secret to his longevity and to even to this day? Well, I can tell you he hit the drums. And hard and I he really did help me out of he would break skins regardless of the sticks that he used when they either rehearsed did recording sessions or played live now just like Black Sabbath Bob Dylan leaving Jimi Hendrix Led Zeppelin never had a number one hit. I think the highest they got was with whole lot of love from this album. And I think it only got to like number four regardless. I mean the band has sold over 300 million copies. Of their albums and in terms of dollars and cents, I think Jimmy Page is doing okay. We need to Define right here. And now the difference between the Rock and the pop genre of the time Led Zeppelin with Giants at the time in terms of rock. They were responsible for more bands that you probably listen to that. You don't even know where inspired by this band in one form or another being Six Degrees of Separation as a good example quick tidbit. Angus Young and his brother Malcolm Young of AC/DC Fame went to a Led Zeppelin concert. It was in Australia and I believe it was 1971 or two. And that was it. That was it. There's no real secret when it comes to Led Zeppelin there a little bit mystique and a little bit mystifying because unlike you know at the time the Beatles or Bee Gees or Jackson 5 they were in a different realm of being more. Clues small to themselves and this added to the mystery and added to the what are they all about type of thing, you know, it was very very very clever PR marketing. But at the same time when you've got a good combination of songs and Records going on, it's another quick tidbit. It was the early 70s now, we're doing a tour through the United States and how it all worked back. Then there were no credit cards in terms of buying tickets or you didn't do it online. There was no online so you had to literally go Go to a ticket office usually at the stadium where they all performing on the day that they were performing and buy a ticket and usually with cash now that meant that this box office had lots of money and usually Grant who is their Road manager and manager and general I guess used to put all the cash into a suitcase or briefcase. So I should say probably more like a suitcase and carried on their plane. Now what happened this one night? I think it was in Jersey. They lost the case someone took the case and it had almost half a million dollars in it. You think why half a million dollars cash just like that untraceable pick it up and go people always say that unfamiliar with Led Zeppelin, you know, well what happened to them? I mean, why didn't they keep going well easy to say John Bonham. The drummer was an integral part of this band. I mean he was good friends with All of them Robert Plant inclusive and of course Robert. Sorry, Jimmy Page was exceptionally happy with this drummer who wouldn't be nobody hit the stick the Skins harder than this guy, right? So anyway, he died and that wasn't just the end of John Bonham, but the end of Led Zeppelin and that's all there is to it that driving force that that Rhythm Section was without him. It was not going to happen The Lemon Song Ramble On are just two songs. Are integral to not just this album, but Led Zeppelin as a whole hence. The reason why Led Zeppelin to has made the cut so along with a whole lot of love and bring it on home and Moby Dick which was an amazing life event because it really Incorporated. What was then a drum solo unheard of at the time Led Zeppelin to one of the world's best rock albums ever. Well, I've got good news and bad news. The good news is that this particular Show episode is finished its history. The bad news is history repeats itself until next time.

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Today's episode is brought to you by Capital One spark business. Whether it's your first day at the new headquarters or another day getting payroll out by the First Capital One Work seamlessly as your partner credit card provider and Business Bank. Hi everyone, you're listening to superwomen today's guest is Erica Perry founder of the stork bag. She has a vivacious energetic and super positive woman who started her company five years ago dealing with all the stages of pregnancy and postpartum. Partum and the things we need Google adult diapers or ice diaper. If you've had a baby, you know what I'm talking about. Well, she wanted to really make sure that in a time where you are at least for me your most vulnerable that you could get products that actually help you at each stage of pregnancy and postpartum, which is brilliant. So take a listen. So I am here today with Erica Perry the founder of stork bag. Welcome. Thank you Rebecca. I'm super excited to be here. So for our listeners, what is the stork back? Yeah. So the start bag is a pregnancy subscription bag. So the way that I like to describe it for people that never really heard of it is think of a Beauty Box and then think of pregnancy. So we literally send out curated packages to our customers throughout their entire pregnancy and then for their postpartum Read as well. So each of our packages first second third trimester and then we have our post bump bag. All of them are reusable bags and they each have between 8 and 15 different products and 95% of all of our products are Mom owned or mob created products. So I'm super super proud of that. Wow. Yeah and you started this business almost five years ago. Yes. So what inspired you to launch this like what were you doing before then? That made you go? Aha. Yeah. Yeah, so I started my first business in 2012 and at that time I had just finished with my master's program just earned my masters. I was pregnant with my third son Masters and what Masters in Business, so it's nonprofit business, but it was business because I was working in non-profit. So in my mind, I was like, oh I'm going to do this, you know, and I'm going to get my masters and I'm going to be the CEO of this nonprofit. I'm going to make so much money and then I found out all with your Masters you get to make a whopping 48 thousand. That's your cat. And I was like, oh, yeah. So at the time my job was so stressful and I was literally working 16 hours a day. And then I had my third son that I was pregnant with and my husband was working for Ford Motor Company, which was another 16 to 18 hours. It was insane. So my family was just super busy and I'm like there has to be a better way and I've always every job that I've went in I was always the youngest person and I was always a person that's like wait that's broken like let's fix Is that you know, it can be done this way and people would listen so I'm like, I know I have great leadership qualities, and I know that I can make things better. So to fast forward it a little bit. I started my first company mommy made services with that company. I poured everything into it. I put money into it and time and it was supposed to be a company that connected domestic helpers with busy families like mine after about a year. I was like, okay nothing's happening. Like nobody was coming to the website. It wasn't Any type of traction and I felt so defeated and so I'm like, maybe I'm not supposed to be an entrepreneur. Maybe I'm just supposed to be, you know, a stay-at-home mom a wife and this is what I'm supposed to do. So I took a year off and I decided to stay at home and do all of those things and I remember about six months in I was like, okay, this is not what I'm supposed to do. I completely lost myself. I was just Mom and I was wife and you know, I've had stains it was yeah and I was like I have to Do something else for me? So my best friend she was pregnant at the time but their first child mind you I had three little boys at that time. How old are they? My oldest is 12 middle is 9 & Young as a 7. Okay. So my best friend's pregnant. I was in Chicago at that time. She was in Florida and she called me. She's like Erica. How did you do this three times and I'm like what's wrong? She's like everything like she's like, my pregnancy is horrible. I have morning sickness. She's like, I don't even know what to buy because I want to I don't get anything. That's like, you know not safe for the baby. So I'm like, let me create a care package for you and she's like, okay. Yeah do that and so I'm like, okay, so I go online because I'm like, I don't feel like going to a store and looking for all of these different products and synonyms who are so I go online. I'm like Pregnancy Care Package nothing. I'm like, they don't have a pregnancy care package. This was the time when I think the subscription boxes were really booming. So I expected some type of pregnancy gift or something like that nothing there. So I went to the store. II went to Babies R Us byebye, baby and Destination Maternity, I believe and I bought like some little stuff that I use like some cocoa butter stretch mark cream stuff like that send it to her. She was crying. She was like, oh my gosh, this is the nicest thing anybody sign to me for me and I'm like, oh my gosh, but at that time, I remember when I sent that and she called me and I told my husband I'm like, there's nothing out there like this and you know, how many women would appreciate something like this? Like, I was pregnant three times never got anything for myself like my husband. Great, but he literally never gave me anything and then everyone else who gave me gifts gave me gifts for baby. So I'm like, what's the deal? So I'm like, okay. I'm going to create something and I asked my husband. I'm like, so what do you think of when you think of pregnancy like what synonymous and he's like, you know, and I'm like, what about a stork? He's like, yeah, and I'm like, okay what like the Stark box and so he's like, yeah the search box. That's really good. But I'm like I want to be creative and I want to kind of think outside the box no pun intended. So I'm like what about a bag like a Keepsake that Mom can have and she can look back at and so I'm like, what about the Cirque bag? He's like, oh I got chills. That's really good. So I'm like, okay, I'm gonna do it. So I set a goal for myself and I said if I can sell 100 bags within the first year, I really have something I'm going to give it my all and I sold 100 bags in that first three months and this is without any paid advertising. I was literally taking like busted pictures because I look back at my pictures now and then I'm like, oh my god. I've archive them. Also because I'm so embarrassed but I was taking these pictures just sticking them on Instagram not paying for any promotion and people were coming that way and that's that's the story of the birth of the Circ bag. Wow. Yeah. And where did you get the number a hundred? Did you just pull that number out of a hat? I did because at that time my thought process was that was a huge number. I was like if I can sell 100 of this product that I came up with us. That's an as you know an astronomical number. So that's where the hundred came up came in. In and so you did this organically I am you have not raised money. No. No, do you plan to raise money? Yes, so I put all of my family savings into it and you know feel comfortable saying what that number is. Honestly at this point. I don't even know anymore because it's just been so much but in the beginning it was seven thousand dollars and for some people that may be like, oh that wasn't a lot but for us it was a lot because we had literally saved up all of that for like rainy days. So I put $7,000 Into it in the beginning now, honestly, probably upward of 50 to 60 thousand and then everything that we make so at that time I thought to myself, you know, if this doesn't work then what am I going to do? You know and so when you ask if I raise money in the beginning I was like I'm not going to raise any money. I'm going to do all of this by myself and then year to came in and I was like, okay, I need to raise money. I want to I want to grow this I want to scale and so So I went out there and I tried and I tried and I'm like this is what I have and I don't feel like I was taken seriously tell me what you think. The reason why that was I think because of the product I think when people and I won't say people I think when men I think when they look at the product, they think that it's a hobby product. I think they think that oh, so this little gift for pregnant women, so and I don't think that they see the potential of the market. I don't think they Stand the potential of how large this Market is and how much you can do with the product like this. So that's what I think. I think it just wasn't taken seriously. It could be because I'm this dainty small woman, it could be because I didn't walk in with you know, a business suit or not. You know, I don't know but I know I'm almost certain it's because I just wasn't taken seriously, right? Yeah. So you said screw that I'm moving on. Yep. I don't need your damn money. Yep. Yep, and what's happening now? Yeah, so so I set screw that and I kept putting money into it from my business and everything that we made I do Consulting literally everything that I do on the outside. I put into the Cirque bag wait, you have a side business do I do I do I do business Consulting to so every time I make money from that that goes to the stork bag money from family from my family. My husband not my family outside, but my husband goes into the Cirque back. So everything is still personally funded. Luckily. There are some resources Is like PayPal Capital cabbage things like that? So I have small working Capital Loans, but for the most part I still don't have any outside funding and you know, because there were so many NOS. I got so many NOS because of that it was kind of like one of those things where I was like, I don't I don't need you, you know, like I felt even more empowered to go out there and prove them wrong like show them that this is not just like a little hobby business that this is legit like a huge business and And in a few years, you know when they have their wife is pregnant or somebody's pregnant. They're like the stork bag. That sounds familiar. I'm like, yeah, that sounds familiar. So so yes, so at this point will I turn down funding if I was offered if the you know, the terms were great. Probably not I would probably be like, okay, but my story and getting the funding is still there because people they did they don't take it serious and I keep saying people I won't say people I will say The Men Who Are usually funding these venture capitalist. I don't think they take the Stark bag of series as they should right? Yeah. What's interesting to me in a lot of women who I've read the reviews of the podcast like, you know, they hear no a lot and some of them are just like Uggs going to give up but I love that you would like, were it embolden you it gave you fuel. Absolutely. Absolutely. I you know, I honestly I don't think that I can give up, you know, I feel like I've put more than money. I've put so much energy into this. And I am a firm believer in thoughts become things. I'm a firm believer in manifesting. And so I've already seen the bigger picture. I've already seen what the stork bag is going to be. So if I gave up right now is kind of like I just stopped in the middle of a marathon totally. Yeah. So so how do you deal with 16 to 18 hour days now and your three beautiful boys, you've more kids now. Nooooo. Okay. So are you can't have anymore? I'm done. I can't even think of having anymore. So yeah. And you know what? I I work off of schedules and I have lists for everything. I literally have a bunch of those really cool books that have cool sayings and the front that you get from Target. I have a bunch of those I write lists for everything. So I'm like, okay today. I'm going to do this as certain time for it. So I run a tight ship for myself. Not really for the kids as much but in order for me not to go crazy and lose my mind. I have to know when to unplug so I unplugged on Sundays. I don't usually work at all and then I unplug usually around 10. 10 o'clock at night where I'm not working not doing anything related to work at all business anything but to stay sane I try and keep a schedule and prioritize certain things. What's been your greatest hack their I'm asking for myself personally. Yeah. Yeah. I think I think just being able to maintain that schedule and get everyone in my house to go off of that schedule to because my husband is very For me my husband. He doesn't like routine. He doesn't he's very oh, let's get up and you know go overseas next week and I'm like, oh, okay. We need to plan, you know, so I'm a planner and so for me being this planner and knowing that I have to do this because if I don't something will fall short and it's fall a lot of things have fallen short before and I can't sit here and say, oh it's perfect, you know, and I have to schedule and everything run smoothly because it doesn't I can't even Honestly, maybe maybe four days out of a month everything runs smoothly. But those other days things come up, you know, there's things that come up where I'll forget something and I feel horrible about myself because I forget stuff because I'm like, how did I forget that and I have to keep reminding myself that Erica you're doing like a million and one thing so that's how you forgot it. So, you know, I do run I do keep a schedule, but for me just being able to look back and see those things that I crossed off and that's that's a big thing. For me to Crossing things off. So once I've done something because then I feel like facts. Are you good? Yeah, I accomplish that. So yeah, sometimes what I'll do with my physically written list if I forgot to put it on the list, but I did it. I'll write it down and then I'll cross. Yeah that my do that. Yep. I'm good. I accomplish that so yeah. So yeah, so I would love to hear like clearly when you get a masters degree. You have a great handle of business, but I feel like I've met so many people that learned so much after they left school. So how has your knowledge of Finance has changed in having your own business and the joys that come with? Yeah. Yeah, you know what so my eyebrows just raise or Rebecca asked me that because I'm like, oh my gosh, it's really changed. Honestly, I everything that I know about finance and running a business. I did not learn in school, you know, I there was book stuff that you learn but I haven't really, you know, you apply the stuff that you learn from Action and so when I first got into it, I was always very cautious about how much I spent but now it's like maybe almost to the point of okay, you're being cheap, you know what I mean? Because you have to be really smart with the money that you get so prioritizing comes into that a lot because I have an amazing group of women who work for me and for me being the leader of this Organization I have to make sure that all of that hard work and dedication they're putting into my dream. They're getting paid for and they're not just volunteering and so when I think about I don't think that people realize how much goes into running a business and you think about payroll you think about rent you think about all of the other overhead stuff and you think about you know, products and websites and all of those other little things that you don't really consider and then you look back and you say well. Oh, yeah, I got to pay myself to and To this day if people saw how much I pay myself they'll be like what that's it. Yeah. That's it. It's because for me the most important thing is making sure that my company continues to float and making sure that my employees are paid and making sure that it grows into this huge thing that I know is going to grow into so I know that in a few years maybe months fingers crossed I'll be making a lot more than what I'm making right now. But for me, the most important thing is making sure that everything runs. And there are months when I we do we do man tax that numbers. I'm sorry, and then there are months where I'm like, okay people hate the Circ bag No One having babies that month, you know, but there is so up and down. So there you know, there is going to be times and I know there's times with me where I'm like, I'm so good. I'm so smart. I'm so creative and then there's times where I'm like this was so stupid of me. Like what was I thinking? Oh my God. Check out to put all that money here. What about my kids? You know, and I beat myself up. And so and I think that's a normal cycle and I think you know when you talk to successful entrepreneurs that didn't give up because there are many times that you're going to want to give up and I think when you talk to them and they tell you that yeah, they're still days where I'm like crap. What was I thinking or maybe I shouldn't be doing this anymore. So yeah. So for right now the most important thing for me is to keep things going. Yep, and to make things bigger. Bigger and my goal is when I look back a year from now. I need to see growth as long as I look back for a year from now when I look back and it's 2020 August of 2020 and I should be able to say wow. We've grown so much right, you know what I mean? And if I cannot say that if I'm still saying that all you know, we are our website looks the saying our same our bags with the same. Our products are the same, you know, there's there's something wrong with the system something needs to be tweaked, but Luckily, you know, we look back at these past five years so much has changed. We're actually we're rebranding our bags. So we got these super cute bags and they actually just came in today. So I'm super excited. I got us and we have these. Yeah, we have these silk bags are so cute and they are going to replace our cotton bags that we were using and so I feel like the look is like fresh and they have like little tassels on the side. I'm super excited. So I hope all of the ladies like the bags the new bags because cause I know when I show my staff they were like, oh my gosh, it looks so good. So I'm excited about that. But we have we have a lot of fun things. And of course the goal is for the Circ back to just to just be synonymous with pregnancy. You know, when I when I ask people what do you think about the first thing or first business you think about when you think about someone's pregnant? I want them to say the Cirque bag, you know without a doubt the stork bag, you know, and that's the goal. Hi guys, I hate to interrupt this episode but I have to do an ad and it's for myself. I love doing this podcast. I love interviewing these women. So what I'm asking you to do is support me if you are in the market for a beautiful bag or some wonderful apparel or Shoes by Rebecca Minkoff, and if you need to buy a gift for someone think of me, it always helps. It keeps the business going and I would love to see you wearing your beautiful Rebecca Minkoff products. #by RM and thank you for the support. So what have been some of your biggest unexpected challenges aside from the ones you already went? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I think not not really knowing the unknown of Entrepreneurship it lingers and it's out there and you don't really know what to expect so you can plan now I'm a planner but there are so many things that you cannot plan for. So, you know, we have all these projections and we're like, oh we project, you know, we're going to make you know, whatever for the Had a season of 18 and then 18 comes around and we're like all we did great numbers and then I sit down in front of my laptop and I'm like, wait a minute. We spent how much to make how much and so for me just filling that high of wow, we sold out of all of our holiday Stark bags and then when I go back and I look and I'm like who it cost us that much right? You know what I mean is so those those those types of things kind of your super high and you're like, yes we Did it and then you look and you say oh my goodness. How are we still in the red the cells because the retail Market is it fluctuates, you know and the business that were in the the market that we're in their Seasons when people get pregnant and you see everybody's pregnant and then there are seasons where it's like, okay ladies we do it next time. Oh my God, what are you doing where they're out there you you know put in the work, you know, we A stark bags the cell here. And so those fluctuations are always surprising because there are certain summertime. I'm like, oh, yeah summertime is going to be big and then we'll have summertime, you know, July rolls around and we're like, how do we only you know, how we only do six thousand dollars in July? Like what's the deal? You know, right when you watch certain shows about entrepreneurship and you hear certain entrepreneurs and they say my this is only made two million dollars and you're an entrepreneur with a start-up and your business has made $3,000. I think you start second-guessing yourself and you start saying they met two million dollars. What am I doing wrong? And so I think what we have to look at on TV and what we have to listen to up until really recently that's why I think this podcast is so awesome because it's raw it's raw and it's transparent and I think what we as women female entrepreneurs more than Think else what we have to look at is so skewed from what is real because it's normal to do a couple of thousand your first you know year. So if you do Millions great, you know, that's amazing. If you can if you can continue that momentum and you can continue to grow that's amazing. But if you're doing a couple hundred and then you go up to a thousand and then you hit that million. That's awesome. That's what it's supposed to look like. Most entrepreneurs don't come out of the gate and they're making Making millions of dollars in there right around a rolls royces and you know, they they're on TV everywhere. You don't you don't see that it's hard work. You know, we're working hard and I've been you know, my first company 2012 is when I started mommy maid services 2014 is when I started the stork bag and now I feel like my career is really starting to Blossom as an entrepreneur. But when I tell you I worked hard like and I love to what in tears. Yeah, and I continue to work hard and even When I don't feel like working hard, I feel discouraged. I'm like, nope. I got to get up and do it because if I don't who's going to tell the story who's going to encourage the mom? That's at home. That's like have this really great idea, but I don't know if I can do it because I don't think I can make two million dollars in my first month, right? You know, you don't have to sister that you don't have to do this. You don't have to like work at your own pace. Yeah. So how I'm now I'm fascinated with the fact that you even have time to do your Insulting so how how I know you're a planner and I know you're a scheduler which I love but where does that fit into this whole thing? Yeah my team. Okay my team, I think you have to build a solid team. Yep and your foundation team those people that are there with you in the beginning. What do you run? What do you look for because that can make or break? Right? Look we've had horrible people work in my company and make the the biggest unimaginable. Yay. Yeah that we don't talk about but it's there. Yeah. Yeah, like how did you find a great team? Yeah, you know in the beginning we had cookie cutter question. So our interviews were cookie cutter it was you know, what did you do on your lash? How do you what do you think you can bring to this job those very cookie cutter type questions. And unfortunately, I had to be the person to go in and fire people and that's never a good feeling, you know, but then I started to look and I'm like what I need is I need a woman that's going to be dedicated to this. Why do you want to work for? The stork bag. How long do you want to work for the stork bag? Is this something that you just need to make some extra money? Do you not necessarily need the extra money, you know is are you a stay-at-home mom that need something to do and so I want to talk to her about who she is and once I find out let me see who she is. I give my I get potential employees the Florida kind of tell me about themselves. What brought you here? Why do you want to work here? Is it me or is it the company believe it or not? I've had people interviewing there. Like I just oh my I can't believe and I'm not trying to toot my horn here because I know I'm not this famous businesswoman, but I've had people that said I just I wanted to meet you and I wanted to see if we you know, you can be my mentor and I'm just like oh, you know, it's over. Yeah, I'm like, oh that's you know, that's not going to work. But when I give the women that I have right now are so dedicated to my company and their love for the stork Bag shows and so many different ways like most of my team they wear different. Hats so they have won one job title, but they do so much more. And so all of the people that are on my team I gave them the Florida tell me who they were and something in them and it is not it's not always the same. It's not you know across the board. I don't look for a particular thing is something in that person that I think would be good for the team that I think would be good for the company and that I think would be good for the position that they're applying for for me to be able to do other things and look for other out. Site resources look for other ways for me to bring in additional revenue for the company. I have to have a team that I trust and so I'm in New York right now my business runs out of Tampa and I can put my feet back and know that everything is going to run smoothly because they are so amazing. I think the entrepreneur is very important for the success of the business for the health of the business, but your team is going NG to be maybe even more important and I say that because you as an entrepreneur you have passion that's driving you but you have to get those people that's working for you because if you have a start-up you're probably not paying people what they would normally be paid if they were working in it and stop established business. You're probably paying people part-time salaries. And so you have to find people that will work for you for peanuts. You know, I'm just going to be honest. You got to find people that are Working for you because they have a passion to and it might not be as strong as yours, but they have a drive and every last one of the ladies who work for me. They love working for women working with women serving women. They love the idea of seeing something from grow into something so big there are part of that and what the stork bag is right now. It's not just because of me it's because of all of these other women that put in so much and that their stuff I can look at something. And I'll be like, oh we should do it this way and somebody on my team I give them the floor to be like, uh, you know now sometimes I shoot it down. I'm like no we're gonna do it that way but some you know, most of the time I listened and I'm like, what do you think and they're like, I think maybe we should do this. Sometimes they're right, you know, and so I think you have to be able to kind of take a step back and be like, okay in order for you to be able to do other things and that's how I can do Consulting to I do this because I really love it. I really love to talk to women about - how can all of our listeners who are going to call you now get a hold of you for your Consulting. They can find me on Instagram. So if you on my Instagram at Mommy CEO, you can go to I think I have a leak tree Link in my Instagram. So click on that you'll see where you can book the one-on-one consultations the Cirque bag. You can get to me going through the Circ bag so our hello account just say Hey, where's Erica? My assess oil. Yeah. My assistant will connect connect us and we'll go from I'm there, but social medium. I'm on social media a lot. You'll see my babies on their a lot and I try to post some things about the stork bag and about business to encourage women when I was when I was first starting out. I'm still kind of fresh. But I remember I was reaching out to people on Instagram like hey, you know, can you give me some pointers and how it see that they saw my message but they didn't respond back and I was like, oh cool. Maybe they're busy. Thanks, you know, so yeah, so there's and I won't say that I don't have DNA Just sitting in my boxes I do because I'm there's some people I just can't get to but I try my hardest to at least answer an email or give some type of advice and if I can't do it for each individual person. I try to hop on live or something like that and give some pointers. So two questions if the answer is yes, I I will say this like, I've rarely celebrate our successes that we have. I'm always looking at like what do we do wrong? What can we do better? And if something good happens, I'm like, oh Oh, yeah. Okay. Anyways, and I hate that about myself and my brothers the same way. Do you celebrate your successes? And if you do how yes, so my PR the head of my PR Emerald when she hears this she's going to be like no she doesn't that's probably what she's going to say. I try to now consciously I try to because I did not for a very long time because just like you I'm like, yeah we did that but Didn't we do more but let's focus on doing this. You know, let's focus on the next goal. I celebrate literally everything at home in my personal life. We celebrate every holiday and I'm talking like really celebrate. So like Earth Day, I have like cakes and my kids are like Mom so they look and if I don't do something my kids are like Mom what happened, you know today is the third Sunday of the month. We were supposed to celebrate, you know, so I try to carry that over in business too and I'll Try to do some fun stuff for my employees, but I have to get better with that because I don't celebrate the ones as much I'm always looking at we did that but that's the conservative projection. I you know, I wanted to get to that aggressive projection, you know, or we did that. Yay, but we should be doing more we could be doing more. So yeah that a lot the last time I celebrated a success. It's probably the only time I did this year was like something good happen and I bought myself a piece of jewelry. Maybe I was like, I'm not going to wait for anyone to buy that for me that I was like, oh have never done this. Yeah, like I'm doing this for myself. Yeah good for you. Yeah, but I think that's I think that has a lot to do with being a mom too. Yeah, because I think for us automatically were thinking about everybody else. I'm thinking about my husband thinking about my kids and then I'm like, oh Erica, I forgot about you. Yeah, so I think that has a lot to do with me and a mom and a wife and all of that. Those other titles we have and we forget that at the end of the day self-care is super important totally, you know, and especially for an entrepreneur because we're always going in our mind is always racing we have to be able to take a step back. So I've consciously implemented more self-care and to my life rather. It's just candles and bathtub bubble bath and polishing my nails its torque nail polish. I try to implement some self-care totally. Yeah, so I Two last questions that I ask all my guests, but what would we be surprised to know about you can be personal professional? Yeah, every time I tell people my favorite person in the whole entire world is Lucille Ball. They say really some people don't even know who she is. I Love Lucy Lucille Ball. She's my absolutely favorite person so much so that I'm kind of stalkerish. So every time I go to La I go to her old house and Beverly Hills and I just want to just like park in front because you can just drive. I've run in front of it and I take pictures and I've gotten out before taking pictures new people live there. So I'm sorry if you ever see, this is why I'm saying it's the same lady. Yeah. So why Lucille, I think Lucille was such she was so ahead of her time effortlessly. There was no pretension there. It was she got on stage she performed she did what was comfortable for her and she became an icon because of it and she didn't go around and say, you know, I'm you know, I'm one of the funniest one member of my team. Time when people said that to her she said I wasn't even trying to be funny. I was just being myself, you know, so I think that rawness and that he's about who she was and she became this icon and she still celebrate it right. It's like we just celebrated her 100 and hope there is no Lucille fans listening. They're like, you don't know how to turn a hundred eight hundred and for her birthday a few weeks ago. They had Lucy in the theaters. They play for Color episodes. That's what I told ya. Yeah, so yeah. Yeah, I think that's that's one of the reasons why I feel like I can she's very inspirational love that. Yeah. And what is a last piece of advice? You'd love to leave our listeners with thoughts become things. That's my favorite Mantra. It's important to write down those goals. You can have your goals and your head but once you start writing them down they become real and then you can make sure that you're leading or you're going and moving toward those goals and vision boards, and I know I just gave three pieces. No it's refills. Art's yep vision boards, you need to have a big say what a vision board is because some people may like, huh? Yeah. Yeah. So I have a vision board on my phone each year. We take our kids we get those white poster boards. We get magazines we cut out pictures. We have crayons. We make it really cute and creative. I have a vision board that I'm on a front of Time Magazine. I've had this and it goes on each of my vision boards every year as a high school have it. Yes, and I still have it. So Ladies If you when you see me or everyone Anyone who's listening you say? Oh that was on Erica's vision board. And I remember I share it that maybe three years ago when I did a conference and I was looking at the faces of people and they were like, okay, but I'm like listen, I've put stuff on my vision board that probably sounded crazy and they came to pass, you know, they manifest in and I was like, whoa, so yeah. So basically a vision board is where you take all of the things that you're that you want to manifest all of the things that you want to accomplish so rather, it's you want to make a million dollars. Year, you want to purchase a new Range Rover you want your business to sell 1,000 units, whatever it is. You put it on paper. You put it somewhere physical tangible where you can see it. I put my vision board and my room, so it's in my closet so I can look in I can walk in every time I walk in there rather. I'm looking at it consciously. I'm seeing it, you know, and that helps me to remember what the goal is love it. Thank you so much. Thank you. This is great. Talk to you. Thank you, Rebecca. That was Erica Perry the founder of the stork bag by all means go to her Instagram order something. I'm sure any one of you know, somebody who's pregnant or having a baby and they would be very much helped by ordering the stork bag and just being grateful that you thought of them when they're really just feeling kind of crappy. So it's at the stork bag and I hope you enjoyed this episode.

This episode is sponsored by Capital One Spark Business. Pregnancy  can be overwhelming, especially the first time around. Your body is changing,  hormones are shifting, and you just want to know which nail polish won’t  be harmful to your baby. CEO Ericka Perry found herself in a pickle when her best friend needed help finding pregnancy and beauty products, but there was not one place where she could simply order a gift bag with the necessary items. At a time when subscription boxes were really starting to take off, she couldn’t believe this was still lacking in the market. Thus was born the The Stork Bag. Almost entirely self-funded, Ericka is a shining example of an entrepreneur who sees an opportunity, works what they know and creates a business for the love of the products and who they serve. Thanks for listening! We love our listeners! Follow Superwomen on Instagram. Big Ideas The inevitable self-doubt that comes with running a business. [15:52] Financial reality of growing a business that is self-funded. Slow growth is okay!

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I moved to a couple breaks here and there but I mean who doesn't take a break in our favor anime takes a break like my hero and all that other bullshit, but we come back feel like I feel like that's our best thing we've been doing we've been doing it. Recent a low-key. I didn't think we're going to have a schedule to this because in the beginning I think we did a nun like Thursdays or some shit even then. I felt something at work. Yeah independent only am a or whatever and by the way, we're doing this a little bit early. I don't know if Steve you wanna tell him I but yeah. Oh, yeah. I got a fucking meeting at 10 p.m. On a Sunday. Who does that and he's off I'm on it. Let me fuck that. We fucked everyone somehow they got all this audios. But yeah, let's just hop into the anime news dude. I do think we got some pretty good anime news this week. Let's jump in. Let's first talk about Megalo box season, 2 was announced its being developed. There's no trailer. I believe they just said, you know, it's coming and I'm not gonna lie. I'm pretty hyped about Is because I didn't think I'm not how long was the season season 1 was your total 12:30? Yeah, like how long ago was it lucky some reason? I didn't think it was going to get it because I don't know. I just thought my head like, I wonder if we didn't we'd end it. Yeah, sad I didn't finish it for you to find out about spoilers you talk about it. Then that's the one of the main reasons. I didn't finish it because like I don't sound. Reason in my mind, like I just can't believe it. Like I gave wasn't even because it's trashy just like I'm so used to anime. Like they do that. I'm like, all right, then it's not gonna come back for a couple more years, but I mean shit we still mine diamond. We're getting a couple of years because I think they're just started developing or something like that. Didn't give us a trailer. Yeah, I think all we know that not take place like like five six years after seven years after the events. Yeah, I kind of do want to spoil if Road people because I don't know it kind of makes sense. I think is like their whole art indeed. So I guess they're going to start something of new like this incredible character someone did he fucking died in a ring or something? Damn? No, it'll be sold is called Born to Die born to die. I'll choose spoilers nothing. I'm just saying y'all gotta go some day. They may be like that. Well, that means I'm I'm gonna watch it. Yeah, there's nothing too much to say about it. Just know that it's into is on its way. So let's move on. Let's move on. Let's get this shit out of the way Fate Stay Night Heavens feel movies. Now they dropped the trailer is a third movie of The Fate Stay Night series, I think and everlasting Heaven feels here. Yeah, so I think I watch the first I don't remember there's so many like confusing things about fate and like I don't remember if I watch the second one we watch the first one right or was that haven't been was going they and grabs granddaughter. That's I think that's a continuation of the Babylonians. Everyone is shit that's coming out. But is out. Okay. Yeah. So yeah this the string is the series Heavens feel is time with unlimited blade works. Yeah. Okay. So this movie I should have read a little bit about it before talking about banana. Fuck that shit Bro all I know it is that I know that it's unlimited blade works. So I'm gonna watch it but I want to know do I need to watch the older move? I'm gonna maybe I should watch the other ones. Yeah, you do what you do? To you right now, you'd be okay because it's not like a continuation of the series is I mean, I know it's part of the series but it's not like you can watch series and jump into the third movie because I seen ya cuz I seen some Shambala what so anyways trailer the trailer looks freaking amazing. Yeah. I don't know if it even showed like the release date, but you know, it said 2020. Yeah, it's just as I 21, but man I'm not gonna lie. I'm happy they're doing something with unlimited because this is the only like story of Fate that I'm invested in like I like all the characters. I like, um, by the way, they treated this world. It's not too confusing. Although unless you're trying to go in chronological order with the movies and then you're going all right what but the series is like Fate/Zero paste a nice easy boom and then like from there that's where you'd like if you really want to You're out you go to the park or Waka whole God it's much too much the timeline but the trailer look good like yeah, I'm excited. That's why I was like the main part of why I thought the news this week was gonna be fires Megabots Pace tonight, then we will talk about some other stuff later. First off. I let me ask Steve because you know, he's my fellow brother that enjoys this fake shit. Would you think you much trailer bro? I'm excited. I think I watched like way too much face shit. There's a lot of things so we had those What's the other one not even tied to fake for real for real? The garden The Seer Center should know it's too much. It's too much. Is it at third and last movie? So it's wrapping up the story of this this whole Fate/Stay Night shit you this time? So I'm looking forward to it JoJo. You see the trailer. I know you've got another. Yeah. I mean I've been to it, but that's all but Hello, like face it to me. So, you know cool beans. Yeah, don't look cool though. No faith. No for the color fight scenes like that. It seems like some classic dudes, but they're recording probably got that but I played I just played a trailer for the next thing we would talk about which is Demon Slayer the movie you can train train. Trailer they dropped its official trailer. We've been talking about the teaser trailer for a minute since they dropped it at the end of the season. But yeah, this trailer shows us a little a little bit more. We have a couple people talking stuff like that. You'll see the trailer. Your money would y'all think we gotta couple things happening on the train and spooky stuff? Yeah, this this Arc this little train Arc are supposed to be like super lady. I know Steve said he probably got spoiled on something and I think I got suggested like what's gonna happen to like one thing that I hate about Mike my stupid ass brain is because usually I'll be Like don't think about it and I keep thinking about it and I speak for myself because like yeah that has to happen. Right like, you know, I mean, yeah, so yeah, we get a little bit more. It's not too much where like we could tell what's going on just more dialogue and a people looking stupid in the face the reactions from certain characters. But yeah, this didn't do give us a route and give us a really safe. I don't think so. They just give us like the name of this. Um, yeah, like we said before I'm excited. I'm watching it. Hopefully the characters aren't annoying. The writing should be good. But what you all think? Yeah, I'm excited for you. Especially since I know has not happened. Okay, I might in that frame, but I know he on that let me raise the train and see who wins is like shut up, bro. Maybe trying to be brave. That's you could probably do that shit. He's a flash review sleep. Maybe gave me sleep. All right, that's pretty pretty good. Let's talk about the Kona super movi. It made around 1 1 million of the u.s. I know JoJo seen the movie. I don't know if it's on the first day you came out or something. That's that's all on the second day clicking here. Okay. Yeah. He went to see I haven't seen it yet, but I'm planning on watching it after I finish these into haven't started season 2 yet. But I'm gonna do it. It just kind of bummed out. There's no dub. Yeah. It was a good Georgia. You think it's your fire if you like this shit is basically there is basically it's like a super long episode was it I'm pretty sure but I get asked was it funny? Yeah, yeah, that's what it's a chick around making me but it's hilarious. But yeah film opened in Japan on August 30th. It's making money over there and it just recently dropped in the US and now it's making money see if you hear me watches, huh? Yeah, no nothing. So the reason why I jumped into a I know you guys probably thought I forgot but trust me I planned this shit in my head. They yo come Suba navigate get into it. Um, so what do y'all been doing this week? Because I know Joe Joe watched Kunis UVA you been watching anything else JoJo. Well, I'll talk a little bit more over than the Any any nerd games open plain? Did you have to ask? Yeah, I know you're not gonna say it no more playing Pokemon all day. Yeah, that's that's what they've been on. Yeah, that's as soon as I jumped in it. That's why I knew you guys are playing a super came out this week or not this week, but that's what you went to go. See now that we got the numbers in. Star Wars came out this week been playing lots of that. I figured out that it's a it's a way longer game that I expected. So now that I know that I rushed you like the first like 25 50% game and now I'm like slowly like I was I all right I could take my time now, I gotta play that shit 200 species. He knows. I'm not at school or anything for anybody. Even when I stream. I'm like yo get out the stream like go enjoy and go enjoy this game. Like I know it's all you I won't play a part of it boy. So the reason why I actually let me ask Steve been doing anything this week watching the new same old shit. No guns life and the sword place in Pokémon house that give us without spoiling. Give us like your impressions of November life. Good bad these Improvement. Was good. It's solid. You know what I'm saying? I like the world so lot of politics involved in shit, you know understand but uh, I mean, I mean, it's good for what it is. Okay. Yeah. Just taking what it isn't. Um, cool. I watched know I had some free time this week. Oh, yeah that Disney classes heat old man. And two I was like so I was like, no it sounds I pick up a new enemy that drop it and then pick it up later on. So I started watching the Babylonia feet one and the first episode it gets me excited man. Like there's there's a couple scenes where I'm like, all right, it's almost like um, Fate not nothing fucking it is fake five horse or you know, I'm talking about whether it be a girl and then just like, all right. Okay, I don't remember this doing this in fate. But yeah, there's a lot of fans or to stuff. But if you look past that that action is there obviously it's a Fate series. But um, yeah, I'm just I'm just excited. I think I'm going to keep watching this. I know the second episode does out there might be a couple more episodes. But I might be wrong. I just watched the first episode. So yeah, I think that's why I think even been in the NWO Steve. She were here is pretty good, man. But yeah, let's move on anyone got something to say before we move on to the questions. I'm Goomer. Okay. Okay, if you liked this episode is going to be fire, you know, I and going into it. I felt I was down by the mood now. Let's get into the questions what piece of writing and Anime or no do you the most are left? You unsatisfied? For example, they said I still look back at Naruto and I wonder why I type who's that? Is that the alien chick? Yeah. Kaguya. The our down that did piss me off buddy. Cliff said everything like the writing of that one like know I should guy. Yeah, you guys have a certain riding in the anime where no idea. I'm gonna have think about this one. Yeah, I got one boruto. Why Better than you got one. I got a couple actually I'm gonna give one you can do yours and I'm gonna hop right back into your lungs. Okay. So first one they paid the same. What it makes perfect sense why I like it and why I like so I understand what you're saying. Like now that you've said that and I watch this episode and I bought you've been on cycle which we're going to get into I remember last week. I was saying like Vince I just kind of slow whatever and then I was watching this episode like it's not that it's slow. It's just not it just not 5/4 fast. Like I like to actually won't crack big exactly like so so it makes Sense, so, you know how I drop anime. Then I come back to it is cuz it's not giving me all the fucking entertainment within the one minute I'm walking. So so if you just like if they search started talking for more than 30 seconds. All right. I'm out this shit, you know, I mean like Like brother like 5/4 when they talk they still do an action. It's not like they sit down and talk. It's like NOS. I'm just having the background when I was something they're still fighting someone's about to die. But yeah, I like understand what you're saying. It's not perfect move them. I just wish they'd with Mike take more time to flush out like details on conversations. And that's the one that's one thing. I do. Wish they did because we don't know too much about the world like for we kind of got Little bit movie. We just found out there was an actual animals and right that's cool like but yeah, I understand because the world is what kind of does interesting me a little bit more like what happen if it's the world of fucking Avatar and Angus somewhere else and we don't know what is going to be honest the Fire Nation like in 2030. Yeah. Yeah, Mom, that's my first one. So I got one I think everybody in here with Agree with me. So I I think couple was last month, maybe a couple months ago. I don't know how long time to meet trash. I rewatched an anime with my cousin and shit so good. It's so good. And and it's a short anime. I think it's time. It might be sure it might be 12 episodes right? Then you get to the ending and you find out who it is. And by the way, I must say the name right now. It's a race. Oh, yeah, my cousin like my cousin did like the ending a little bit but I was like, I was just telling like it just doesn't it doesn't make any sense because I cannot stress this enough, please if you like arrays, please read the Manga by by volume was vying for by volume for please. Yeah, we will change my race. The race is such a Beautiful intent at all the time like we watch it as a group. It was like me Steve black and think maybe somebody else eat those. We all watched it like every week. I'm on like yeah. I remember that the episode came out with losers like what? Yeah. So race racism there. You know the world's most beloved anime bro. I say the name, please. I need to hear the show. I'm talking about his days where we're coming soon know your neighbor, you know, y'all heard my voice my complaints so far. And it's not that it's not a good show Agumon. It's not that it's just just trash Nas is not that caused. The war is solid. The the action is top tier. You know, what I'm saying is see foldable and they do what they do. They do what they do, but Tanja roll kills me wrong. He killed no long like instead of like shows like Naruto War. Like very they actually have to come up with like a counter strategy or something or they have to figure out a weakness that doesn't happen in this way that nigga just sniffs the air he says, oh, I know you're a tech better now and I'm gonna cut your Wheaton. I can smell that the but does it make sense that opening that smell his a weak point x attack and then the demon backstories They all the demons have like somewhat sad backstories to you know, they to where they became like a bad person but there's still like a bad person or actually horrible. You know what I'm saying killing several people time chondrules sister up, you know what I'm saying dangling her in front of him slowly cutting her while he's trying to cut tone drones head off, you know what I'm saying? But after 200 gets the job done. He he'll read crime for trying to protect his on fuck no nigga, he just tried to kill your sister right in front of me I don't want to no good shit I got you can be nice guy. It's haunted room or not. What you did he OD on a nice like I'm rather him. I have like a problem with kitchen is first body like a I don't know any other person and then they have like a problem with like killing people and they eventually get so used to it. That doesn't like kills them emotionally. I like fucking like I remember the first time yeah like that and I was about to say I remember the first time I saw a scan on to win their first mission like those two guys pulled up with the like mask and shit and science kit was on there froze. No, no. No. I told him and he froze like yo, these niggas really trying to kill me. It's stuff like that that I like more than this into the crying over everything. This is not a bad show Brosius this shit like that and it just hurts not true. They don't explain the just trash. No, it's not they seem so I'm not saying what do you mean she talked to like at the last episode of the season? And then I was gonna this almost 26 episodes season 1 episode. Why does she talk once? the song that these characters they need I need more ice did that not it anymore from the show could be like a solid as a 9 out of 10. Yeah, he anymore Georgia. I mean I got tons boot. We could I mention one more I guess Deadman Wonderland doing this again. Okay, my heart is jumping to the anime series. Fuck the shit out the way which one of y'all want to start with. I think if we can we will recap a little bit of it, but I don't take any notes. I don't I don't think y'all did um, maybe mental notes but uh, but yeah which one you want to start with first. What's wrong? We can do fire for us. All right, boys. Nip. All right. I don't want to know where too much of the beginning of my Force what y'all remember the beginning. Yeah, Bernie guy broke the think he felt the USB drive something. Everyone's all looking all scared and shit the whole episode from the Then from like they're on it, just like I remember it was like nothing but action like shit was going down on the outside. I liked this episode if I could remember what the fuck happened though. So what happened is so I'm captain who Bonnie finds our she comes to her ocean were all fucked up. She untied his own. Yeah. Yeah. Oh my God. Yeah. There's like a ton. So now I remember Being like exactly the best things lasted like 30 seconds and like then she comes through there's a there's a lot of shit that was happening in the action scenes. You get the girl in the inside I think was Lisa and she like hurt Ours are like she said something like her Flames are like which really good night Sue. So I'm like, I'm not gonna lie, whatever magnetic feel like person has she can like make planes and like grab people and yeah, pretty much there like a homing fire like they could track and so, um, Yeah, so she says that and I like later in the episode. They like drop a bunch of like metal toys and like I guess that's how they defeated because he's like, oh, yeah, like I just want you said that I thought those toys could be the magnetic. He says some lungs that they said they just aren't going to come through. She's her little Tree power move. She re-emerged Arthur was there too and he was like, hey you I'm still right. Here we go. She's not getting her. I don't care who you are. And so he was probably gonna look like he's gonna die. So yeah, they're fighting in the inside still with Lisa. Like I was saying no, but they get that under control pretty damn quick with the toys getting dropped. But all this happening I think about Anna stopped or something like that because of the brother came through Shinra. I thought he was going to be like I thought he was going to be at first so, you know see them. He's like hey, yo you my brother will by then like then the brothers. Oh, he's like the evangelist told me like, I would recognize him Allah and like he's like, oh, yeah, you're my brother or something like that. So I thought he was gonna turn but he does some quick shit like Itachi fucking bullshit. Where is he? It's salt they need to explain his own power being move a speedy I could. Oh my god, he has like a little fucking Katana. It was he's dope. He's so far we've seen from this episode Juniors Brothers fucking on another level. No wonder why he's like the right-hand man of the Evangelist or some shit like he's pretty high up. There. They got the tool or the key, whatever the data the Vulcan had, right? Crema yeah, yeah, so they're trying to run away or whatever because who came through I think that's where Joker come but we're not joking the scientists and the car picks him up and then to buy time Joker pulls up on the brother guy's name. Did he even say his name? So she'll so shinra's brother and then so I knew it. So now that we're getting like We're getting the things that I've been wanting to know and like to know where the carriage has been. What are their motives the kind of got that from Joker because I remember I was saying like where is Joker playing this? It seems like Joker's just a wild card because he even says like since I'm only his name bro, something like I don't I don't like you or the fire for something like that shit like I'm in the middle or something like that. But yeah, he starts fighting another show and Like I was oh my God, there's like Dragon Ball there were like doing their speed moves and shit and then like Joker is homes. I well I bought them time. They're far away. I'm out. They even show was like damn I'm awfully strong and he look at his sword. He has a chip in it as a damn. That's crazy. So I'm looking at this fight scene a little bit. I like You forgot the same one. What's his name show cut Arthur he cut him up a little bit. Bhima little damageable. Well, Nick, but when that happened stainless like coming from shows feet. So like maybe Hammond Shandra have like a similar ass power or some shit on he or they have the same power and she'll has more on the control. And that's always moving so fast because he has Abdullah burst. He said he said something like he had a tattoo or something, right? Yes, cuz I heard zombie every time like you make like a move like it'll be like a bunch of steam coming up. We're not a bunch but like there's no tomorrow. I see I see we're talking about we also maybe it's just that he was an attack on Titan. That was me. Oh damn. Yeah, there's a lot of seem so maybe he's controlled it. He's probably Like maybe it can boost. He's identified as powerful and I think you're right like might be the same similar to Shinra but I think that bill will burst he's kind of like he's a controlled it and like he's probably Amplified his powers a little bit more or something like that. Well, we'll get we'll get the answer to it. I think that thanks General because it may be because remember when the town like when he's fined up to To the arrow Shinra and the chickens I go she's going pretty damn fast. I think it's probably because I helped him out. Obviously like he's a chosen who you know, so I think he hasn't tapped into it as much you know it much more like he knows there whatever the fuck so probably getting some like teaching from the some expert in India has been dealing with this for you. Oh, yeah, and I forgot to mention. And then this happened last episode but that kids hurt badly. So they take them to the we was trying to tell you you got shot. Yeah, nobody's that I thought it was anyways, I did. I thought he was here. Anyways, you know, I thought he was badly injured. Oh, yeah, that's better. So they took him to the hospital. They're sitting there like damn like you didn't deserve it. Look look he I was feeling like and he didn't deserve it. He was the most like happy. P person they're even Vulcans like a my fuck even Lisa like he felt betrayed but he felt like Lisa will come through. I was like damn you're an idiot. She's not just because of you this kids in the hospital. So yeah and nothing really happens when they leave the house. They're over there eating Peg and jokes and shit. Nothing really important. I may have missed something but Yeah, he goes back to like, oh, no, he doesn't go back. He looked at the picture of his family or whatever. He's kind of like asking them for forgiveness or whatever. Like I know I was supposed to go join them. He does go back to the thing. Okay. Okay. So yeah, so then yeah, he just like asking. Oh, yeah. He's at the grave. Yeah. Yeah, so he's asking for like kind of like forgiveness or whatever. He's like It feels bad but like, you know basically just make it more things on the right path. Yeah. Yeah, and then like at the end he's like hope you're not mad. It says I'm lungs like yo, I hope you forgive me, but I'm about to do this shit. Anyways, like you know me like, I'm the only woman my farm food. Yeah. Yeah, I think that's I don't know if this is the anime that happened at the end and that's pretty much what just happens, right? Yeah, that's the end of the episode. Yeah, I don't watch the ending. That's why I live math credits. That's why I was asking if anything crazy happening, but oh nothing. Oh nothing important happened. Oh, yeah. It's just some more evil something. And like it finally show - oh, it finally showed us the like where Joker stands and even the scientists because like he comes through and they kind of questioned him. Like like did you do that as well? No. No, but why would I do that? I like awesome ever-important happy with the scientist something. That was no Habana my banana like question. I'm like did you Like he they questioned him. Did you lead them to us? And he said yeah like the nights or whatever and I'm like, I mean, I don't that doesn't make any sense. But I think I think she's right. I think he must have did that because like why would cause they want to say that they want essential over there just to capture. Red hair dude, I forgot to smoking. I mean they don't need all that for both doors. So you think so because like yeah, they won't Vulcan but I think after the only all that I forgot they they also want Shinra for them. Yo, shout-out to Joker though. We kind of shit. Like I knew was powerful but you should have another lady cop totally always good always super strong. Yeah, and he says what did he say after the fight? He was like Damn, he's like shows that dude stronger stronger stronger than his eye patch down. He's like, yeah, how many more episodes is there? See that 17? There's 24 episodes. Okay, not that much going on which stage only liked this episode that it sucked out of trash. That's cool. Yeah. I almost forgot what happened to yours. Joe fast-paced whole lot of content, but I enjoy that shit man. Enjoy. Oh, yeah some positive news fucking from this episode two monkeys looky-looky-looky lewd girl thing is inactive. Oh, yeah, but no, but that forever. You don't have to do in a weird shit today. Thank God. Thank fucking go. All right. Um, that's the end of that one shit. All right, what's next week? They're going to jump into it some this jumping villains how you feel? Like that's a next one. We should do Valen Saga episode 18 where we left off. Wait, I don't remember because we skip this like couple of sweet. So we left off with a dwarf and goodness Horse Center Finland, it will Hollow. So basically what ends up happening again, they lost little tussle and he like he shows that Thornton knows that he's like listen, he's not gonna beat him by like going for Like the vital signs, he's gonna have to cut them up a couple times just slowing down loosen up those tenders. Yeah, so he ends up finding good or whatever. And yeah, so his game plan isn't just get the Kill from like one strike or anything. He knows that's not how I was gonna win and pretty much throughout this time. Third cows tells them. About his dad little bit more information about his dad. He's like listen doors was like a strong mother fucker in like, yeah, you gotta show me that that you're strong as him because he was way stronger than me. That's what was just basically telling him and he tells them kind of like he grew old without what they say. I mean, we we knew this about Thor's already. Yeah. It's like North and said he was from I forgot to place pretty much not doors. The only one he didn't know he was a viking in a warrior. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, he said like Heroes Heroes and through the ranking through the ranks because because of like is how could you fuck? Telling folks out here, right? So I think that's why he was surprised. But ends up at the ends up happening and I think this is where it shows us the prince. I might be wrong. I might be skipping. Yeah. Okay. Yeah there there where we left off where the prince is. He's with be shorn and be joins the like going crazy because I think eight the Shrew must take that going berserk, so he's trying to because he's trying to protect the prince. They're fighting over the prince basically. The capture him and take him back wherever they need to but while this is happening, he sees a pretty Sands of talking to him about some life shit where I kind of look he got confused but towards an understand what they were talking about. He basically tells them that that man like this fighting Shades meaningless and like he I remember he tells a priest that you're gonna stop them. He's like and what the hell am I gonna do the people who wish to die die like he's a damn but before that he he has like a Little Dream, but that dude right that died yet Ragnar nothing too. Crazy happens are just like Taoism. Like move slow. Yeah, like he was telling them like Ragnar Talent of the princes that you're sorry. I raised you to be like a soft ass, dude, you know. Nah, he's a y'all you knew me basically like I love - it bubble and you know mushroom cheese basically down like thank you for how he raised them. And you know, he's still not wish I would have been born yo son then fucking Prince elimination, yeah, like because he doesn't want this war shit. He doesn't he's not violent. He's just like almost killed so he's fighting be joined fighting them and Towards the end. Oh, yeah. So now we go back to our doors and dork a I think so where I can't things can get it because I just remember the beginning and the ending of this. Yeah, because you know, yeah. Kind of like rope for pin the wrong way. Yeah. Yeah. He was like you just wrong but like something's missing. Oh, yeah year ago to study skills are like average like yes, he was like after he says he was like he was like, well, I'm whooping your ass. Yeah you over there stumbling and they used to let then broke. I was like well some dismissal me to I don't know what the hell it is some development then he says something about you know, what a true Warriors or something like that. Oh, yeah, and that's when I work with or things like, you know, it's funny the people like his Mane started laughing at I thought - dog kills like he hit something he's like, hey, man, you don't happen because he respects our kids. So like this is the most Austin character out of the hole like anime so far is Carol's. Yeah because like he respects the other person which is Thornton and he respects a slide humans even tells them but like he's so like he respects a true warrior. He notices that he has some on her like he doesn't fuck with like the weaklings and she like that even his man if his manager week and start being disrespectful like you saw here in this set like this little just seen But yeah, well this is going on we go back to other prints and it still talking to the priest. This is now this is where I kind of got confused but like because he started saying like love is like what is he said something like discrimination is like love or some shit. No, so like the prince was wondering, you know like so So what's up reads as what is love and then so the prince to talk about like how Ragnar cared for him and yada yada and it's a and the priesthood. No, that's not love that's discrimination true. Love is like that dead corpse over there because Because it doesn't complain of feeds and nourishes insects and bugs and stuff. Yeah, and and all that sort of shit. So here basically saying that like death is a form of love and arguing that like made can't love because oh, yes, he was saying like they like this is where like he kind of got like fucking deep Bro. He said man argument over curse because Base in so he's like referencing like that Adam and Eve eating the Apple. So then he would just saying that's why we're cursed and like we don't like really have that that void that we have like a missing boy and then they cut to a single like where you see the prince crying and it's a whole different animation. It looks like old man leash a little fuck it just like coal seam, which is like getting real deep and they showed when we come back it's like this. Snow's love or whatever and then we jump back to Thor Kell and doors. This is where she'd like so you didn't stupid cuz we see a dolphin rusham and then like dark elves like the sun like smoke snow. She makes a fog and then he fucking he fucking punted that man. Fuck no. Oh my God. It was like 30 feet in there Bro Look. I thought he was gonna just like fall right back down and I was like shit but like he fell down and snow and like she just fucking I don't think you got it was just way and then we see we see be join fucking going berserk. Dirk like Wolverine, he's already killed all the men the priest is that yo you better run. He's not gonna stop fighting. So you see Bijan running to the prince and princess like almost all sad and shit in like he kind of like realized life and he's like, he stopped be join. He's like tell him like yo, we don't need a fight grab him by the face look like about kiss him. But um, It did look like that and then then winds up happening is end of calming them down. The priest is like yo, I witness a miracle. He's like pretty much a towel and I'm like damn like I got this Prince was telling everybody stopped the fighting even even during this we see another enemy that that stabbed be joy and how the damn you got him killed man because he stabs him and he's like hi Ashish. Stop fighting. So tell the priest your take care of his wounds. I'm gonna go talk to dark l so we can gather some wagons for him to get the other people injured or something like that so they can transport him but I think oh, but he got sick. He gets mad. I'm like yo, what's the meaning of me? Trying to protect you if you're going to go to throw Kelsey's all Meaning there's no meaning to this to this killing this fighting and shit. But as your child Scott's scold them by. By teaching one of you guys and then at the most fireline, he's all it's a at the very end of the episode. He's telling them like I'll give you the meaning of your life and death and giving giving you like the orders to who to what to fight against and who to fight against his all that's what a king is 4 and then it does like the most Escape. Yeah, that was almost anime seen everything and that was the end of the episode. I was like damn, This episode was really really good. I paid attention to the dialogue for once and been on Saga didn't like I don't know the download for when I can be so boring sometimes but Like I don't know this one cut. This is caught my attention a little bit more. It was it went really deep when it started mentioning like the Adam and Eve thing. I was a damn and like, oh, you're the priesthood is what a bar he said Menlo fallen for a king but with a slave I was like damn hold on. That's yeah, that's it. No, I'm fighting for what? Yeah, I thought it was a really good episode episode 18. Yeah, we would y'all think I know I think Steve said a couple things but let me tell talking. Yeah, it was like this episode a lot. Yeah. I don't know who the best one, but you know. Jojo Uh, like damn. What are you talking about life right now tell me about like like what is love what is death? Like who tackles that who tackles that question in Saiga? Imagine like same - someone asking you someone asking like, what's the meaning of life? Just put them to go watch this episode of inside? Yeah good episode. Um, yeah you want Fire move on one let's say your last things about the episode you guys not find out. What the fuck we wanna talk about. Ahsha was fired. Sorry for next week. What do you guys want to cover next? We got a my hero and dr. Stone, I believe yeah your two more we can do dr. Stone. I dr. Stone that the Stony episode 20. All right, so the beginning of this episode I think they were talking about. Um, And the girl user area they talk about like can they be trusted still send Coup and I figured somebody I think it's Jen is he pretty much says like yeah, whatever beaubois and then even I think Jim's point was are they even alive the new girl, I forgot. They were I think they were talking and they were saying like yeah, we're like where they at? Well, what are you trying to get these phones maybe even know these things? Yeah, we'll take the fall. So they end up talking about like some big ass like just like it was a project science project that they're like the whole stuff like that and why this is happening. That's where I mixed up with the The villain dude, who's the second and man we should have put them in the Tioga. It's like he'll give up with a low. He sounded the buzz man. Like listen, we're tied you is it safe for them to be like roaming around alone? Because I don't know what we'll have somebody watch over them something like that. Like no, I don't want to learn them. Yeah. So while that's going on there met talking about the prep the science project. And this is where like one of the like the funny scenes happens. There's like he's like generals. I don't know which I'll talk about all this science stuff is like above my IQ. It's like way above my queue and then thank you. Sorry. It keeps talking. He's like, you know where we're going to make a kind candy machine and then like everyone's like cotton candy Jen's face. Like all right, what's going on? Like once again like friends like I don't understand what seconds thinking about and then I think that just begin to make the candy machine nothing happens until they make it or whatever some funny stuff happens. We're like, they taste it and like all the girls go crazy and shit. Um, but we see the plan was to make it for the pink hair chick, right? the plan was to Like the way they make cotton candy and the way you make the little one of the little wires that go around a little like a battery the copper not the better than the copper wire that goes around thing to like transmit the phone sitting on yada yada. Ya. It's like you can make it the same way in this new. We're trying to practice it on conch Antics because they want to waste a gold but they end up giving the kind candy to the pink girl. Yeah. Yeah. Because I'm trying to trying to see it took us way over. She like that shit. She was conscious that I was put in there some but the ends up happening. Oh now what ends up happening? I don't remember if they needed way more manpower but end up getting it for the copper stuff. Yeah, the Elaine felt they needed was like super long time. Yeah, and what is going on? I think in the middle of it Chrome had an idea. We don't know what it was at the time but we see him go work on some other things. There's some other people and then like he goes and shows I owe my D has done or something like that. He tells them my skipping. I feel like I'm skipping a lot, but I think there's some bum I thought you done. That during that it was like a three day Thomas Mann where sin Quinta everybody else finished a little while. So yeah, it was three days, but that's why he comes back and he's like, I've been working on this shit for three whole days, man, and then he shows thank you and everybody's like look and he thought it was like a whole new. I mean Loki it was super impressive because like even send Crews like you made a what I would call it. A water-powered. What? What are you what are you water blue? So yeah, he's like look, look he called it the kind candy infinite power machine or social things like what he's like wait, you already know this. I he kind of got bummed. He's like low-key like I even think you said like for not having any knowledge and he made that that's a big jump because now they have like power that's generated from the river and like he fucking yeah. It's been cool. If I is it basically become a water-powered generator. Yeah, which is really cool because Chrome is now looking like oh shit. We got energy. He hasn't annoyed me. He's a pretty good character. I know like he's kind of handicap because I could like knows everything but at this point he was supposed to be the smart guy the show and then like I had friends with a real smart guy came These Marty this is where all right. So this is episode 20. That's it. By the way, that's it wind of what happened yet. They have electricity in Orange. So this episode 20 only have four more episodes. They pulling up looks good. About we skipped Soul sing cool. Pretty much figured out that Sue constant was going to strike after winter because you know, yeah when it's a super big deal Mouse is doesn't like he or everything's Outdoors, you know them stand. So they're going to wait till spring to attack and I like it's and he knows who concert is going to want to attack right away because he doesn't want the same crew together like Mass gunpowder. Mass solars Mass. You know what I'm saying? And yeah as soon as spring comes to Constable, okay. Yeah. Well, that's gonna be a big deal. Yeah, I think it was good episode. This is um, oh no, I'm in the middle of the usual. Dr. Stone episode. Yeah. It was good. They work towards a goal. They tell some jokes. They develop the plot a little bit. I mean they kind of draw it definitely dropped off just because like from the past two three episodes, we've been getting like crazy action or whatever like what happened to the big fight of the village but it's slow things down again another minute. I thought I was cool character episode for Chrome, but besides that regular duct Zone episode, like I said for my episodes, we got a lot of shit can happen because they're not really showing us. So it could have nurtured making I guess technology and shit. So I feel like the pattern of this was going to be they get like a science map. They complete the science like that and then a bunch of pull up. Yeah, like as soon as they finish the Qur'an drug, we got sick cools dad's flashback the tournament and then then we randomly got a everybody pulling up from some constants thing. Yeah, if we get ready think judge about this episode. All right after like the start of something really break down with science. And yeah, it makes me wish I paid more attention in class. You're trying to be nice and cool or something. No, I just wish I mean, that's right. All right, this is buckled in so we're all like the episode. So now let's move on to our last review episode and that's my hero episode 4 5 6 it might be fun. Bye might be is 5 yeah, that's right because they came back. Yeah episode 5, which is just I know we're going to get to it but This is my favorite episode so far. So episode 5 in the beginning we get the squad or the team of the Frog chick and the karateka. What's your name? You have every girl have a girl. Yeah, and they're saying like so Everyone has a mentor now whatever like teachers and there's the teacher to tell him like yo how pretty good but um, so we could use you in our next mission or whatever. We got sent an offer to team up with night. I and his crew to investigate overhaul and they noticed that gold not eyes crew is Deku and I'm so they're like, all right, Bubba and then we see over. Hall and I keep forgetting the guys name but the mask tamari, is that his name. Our the guy with the fucking not over the leader of the league of Homer. Yeah. Yeah. So we see they're having a meeting and basically it's pretty much him telling overhaul. Like I want to know what y'all doing and if we're gonna do this, I'm still in control of my team and he basically says, Each day out they almost gotten into it because he thought he was running shit, but he just wanted to know like what was their plan and he also shows him like a vile that he's like it has to do with this right and then and then kind of like cut away because I don't know what happened. But yeah, basically he has to do something with them by on which we get into we see I don't know his fucking lie. Maybe but this man's are red red wine a whole lot more. Basically, he's with his team and they're trying to stop some. Oh, yeah, he's with one of the big three, right? That's the deal with the sunscreen. Yes on this course, it seems funny. I'm like yo, that shit's I understand anything. He eats he could make it into like a part of him or whatever. So like if he ate octopus he has octopus hands chicken is like chicken feet or whatever the claws. Oh bird wings and the clam Shield hand like it sounds stupid. But like you can do it anyone like it's pretty good and I like you just gotta eat. Happens if you just like you're vegetarian or something that sucks. So, you know, you can have a change diet. So they're trying to stop a boy. So yeah, they're trying to stop somebody that has gun it overhaul is telling like we've already set in place our plan with the with the vials is kind of talking about one for all we know all for one I get those mixed so he I kind of take off one before one who is talking about him and like his plan any kind of like tweaked it to to work for them. Basically telling them like we are plans already set in motion. We see him shoot a read/write with the gun doesn't work because his fucking shield and he saves one of the big three And he chasing them down. It's some weak dude. Like he was saying like his power was a kind of gets mad at something happens when runs away gets mad. I'm like, why did you run away you could have just say how one of the team and he tells red right? He's like my power suck. They just like he's like says something like I forgot what he explained it. He it's only like a like sharp knives that comes out like barely or whatever something. They'll come out the length of the box cutter. It's not. Oh, yeah, as you say no like Wolverine but with box cutters. Yeah, he's like talking to him or whatever any like injects himself with a serum and he starts going all crazy and not gonna like this episode kind of remind me of fire force because of the bug thing. They they ejected on my men like all this steel starts coming out of his body. It looks like a just like sharp Steel. And then so is powers are Amplified as we can see it's even cutting red right Shield. Whatever like his is tough and skin are yeah, it's hardening and he's having a tough time even getting it get inside getting up close and he starts thinking about What is he starts thinking about something of training? So I think about super moves. Yeah. Yeah, like so he said nobody. Oh, yeah who's thinking about his trainer like you were saying and like he has to get in so like if you're gonna get in you just gotta have to bulldoze your way. They're so we see his his amplify the power where he like his skin becomes like really crazy. I like this this that's art style. They went with him. Um, is he like you want super super tough? It's like a level 2 shit maximum a maximum power his fucking Powers. It looks all crazy. Looks like a whole his face. His eyes are even armored up. So he's just run straight Adam. He took he took he's a protecting the civilians behind him as he's taking like the attacks from the from the dude and this whole episodes. All I fucking animation was crazy. So yeah ends up stopping him because he just runs I won't beat his ass and then oh, no, he doesn't do that. He runs Adam but like he gets knocked into all that fat guys power. Which you consume him all over it's a good it's like a pretty much a trap. Whatever the fuck gets consumed in the stomach mind if we have no more time, dude. Yeah. Yeah. That's why I was saying thank you to him and he punched him Liam and your ass is getting respect from the city Caesar your what's your name? Bro? Like I see you. I see your hustle out here man. They're like, he's a yogurt. It's red right inside. He's all right, right. Even the mentors like hey, that's better what I had like yours you're real super and that's why this whole episodes like and they really gave red ride a whole episode. I fucked you always read write the real main hero is like that couldn't be I mean Nathan them up, you know. Yeah shelter at right bro. And pretty much at the end of that because we see like they end up discussing like yo, like I've heard of oh, we fucking forgot to mention this but I forgot to mention this the whole reason why that a big three guy needed help because it's power stop working and it's because he got injected or something like that with the whole thing. Yeah. so at the end they were saying like, you know, I've heard of injections that amplify Powers but never that took away Powers so that so then now there that's like a big issue when they're gonna have to start facing so we kind of get teaser what the plan of overhaul is so, you know, and the theory of mine is that, you know, obviously He's gonna try to take Powers away or something like that. And I think that's why he said he tweaked one for all all for once plan. So yeah, he's gonna be serving taking shit shit shit away or something like that. Just a power that they could do that makes the heroes kind of concerned. Oh and that's the end of the episode. I thought this is like I was saying the best episode so far we're five episodes in and they didn't have Deku any like the real like main characters. I would like usually see Brett. That's why I was like damn read/write read/write just been sitting like that. But this shit, okay. I see I see that gimp give another character some time to develop and shit. Would y'all think y'all think I thought I was saying five years. It feels good episode miles better than I thought. I think I'm the last episode sailing. I don't give a fuck about cherishing. But now I do so yeah. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay, but it was one thing that I was confused about during this episode is like wonder when he was back in the people for singing his Praises after you saved everybody why keep bow tie he had like a flashback to something and I forgot most innate the acid girl was running off with some big guy. I thought the new flashback. Okay? Okay. Okay something happened. Things happen. Yeah, that's it for us with the reuse the whole episode. I don't think again thing to say this week. Y'all got something to say before we wrap this up. Oh, yeah back to my room. She was it something after the credits? I think it was I don't think it wasn't that important. No, it was the preview. That wasn't normal. Yeah, we don't we don't need to talk about yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So rapid JoJo again thing to say before we end this episode everything been pretty good. He's been pretty solid. Okay? Yeah, go check out Star Wars the game Fire Star Wars Mandalorian fire. And yeah, we catch y'all next week appreciate all the support. Yeah, seeing the numbers go up recently. So all of that keeps going

On This Episode of Otaku Summit, The squad talk about what been going on in the anime streets. Discuss the movie trailers for Fate Stay Night Heaven's Feel and Demon Slayer: Mugen Train. They also talk about Megalo Box season 2 getting announced and talk a little bit about the first season and talk about the details for season 2. The Summit answer an Otaku Question asking, "What Piece of writing in anime annoyed you the most or left you unsatisfied?" The Anime reviews start with Fire Force episode 17 (@ 26:15), The episode was action-packed and we get some answers that Shinra been waiting for. Chaos, JoJo and Steve then talk about Vinland Saga episode 18 (@ 39:30), Thorfinn is getting punted and this episode answers the question "What is the meaning of life?" Things slow down for Dr Stone episode 20 (@ 54:10), Senku and the gang start their new invention while Chrome has his own idea to help them out. Last anime review the guys talk about is My Hero Academia episode 5 (@63:00), Red Riot is the main character we deserve and this is the best episode yet? Once again yall keep showing us love and we really do appreciate it, Hope yall enjoy this episode! --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast.

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I did not know. Thank you Kirby. I also read that it has vitamin C in E and A Mia fruit in it totally. So Amia fruit is a fruit. That's actually very potent with vitamin C. Also it contains absorbing acid all great things to make your skin glow e so for those people who are a little skeptical about taking supplements. Do you have any tips Kirby? Of course, so in the jar that you're going to get there are 60 vegan gummies that will last you over 30 days and it's actually proven that if you take 120 to 240 milligrams per day of Hyaluronic acid for at least one month that you will significantly see an increase in skin moisture and reduce your dry skin, which is awesome. And this is from an established medical journal PubMed Central. So we're not lying and these gummies actually have 120 milligrams per serving size of two gummies. So when I wake up in the morning, I make my cup of tea by the Keurig and then I just popped two little gummies in my mouth and I'm good to go amazing. Yeah. So I've also taken these before and they taste so Delicious. Yeah, they they actually do that's why that's like half the battle is enjoying what you're taking. So that's really part of the reason why I like taking them. They truly tastes like a citrus fruit. So they're a little bit tart. They have minimal sugar, but they're still really really nice to eat. If you guys want to learn more about glow sweet glow or any other Home nutrition products. Check out hum nutrition.com. Thanks, huh? Whoo. Okay, so we have beauty news this week. There's been a lot of things going on some of them not necessarily new new but I think they're worth discussing right? Yeah. So let's talk about tati Beauty. Let's discuss tati launched her palate on October 25th. For those of you who are not familiar. Yeah tati. Westbrook is a huge Beauty YouTuber. Yep, you may recognize her name from some earlier drama this year. Yes, the scandal with James Charles and Jeffree Star. He has a supplement brand. Yep, Halo Beauty, but now she's finally Taking the dive. Yeah, so she launched Topsy Beauty, which is a Cosmetics line and she came out with this palette and she called said that she calls him textured neutrals. So they're all kind of in this like really wearable color family, but then she has like straight-up glitter. She has Shimmer Matt's she has something that she calls like a sequin she told like a mat with Shimmer and fused into it, which I found really interesting long story short. She sold out. Out and we know that out in 12 hours. That's crazy. That's crazy. And I was asking Sarah what does sold out actually mean because we are constantly talking about this. What is it mean when a Brands like we sold out like, okay. Did you move 2,000 units right? What did it's like the Kylie Cosmetics kkw Beauty model where it's like the drop the we don't know exactly how many units they have. It could just Be a hundred. But yeah, so I'm really curious if anybody wants to give us some Intel on that but tati revealed that her products are made and manufactured here in the United States and that it was important for her to have them manufactured here. And can you guess who the manufacturer is? Did we just kind of give you a little hint? Yes. We did. It's seed Beauty and Seed overseas colour-pop most Ably, actually not most notably Kylie Cosmetics kkw I mean she's in good company and and if anyone knows how to do a drop its seed seed seed is awesome because they're based here in Los Angeles. I would love to go to the Factory and then check everything out at some point. But I remember when colour-pop first, you know came onto the scene. Everybody was obsessed with the fact that you could just buy product online and It here in the United States and it didn't cost an arm and a leg and the quality was really great. And also they were able to turn Trends into products almost immediately exactly and they were so affordable. It's so affordable and I actually made when colour-pop first came out. They had a party where you could make and your own eyeshadow and I made my own and I thought it was the most magical thing ever that you could pick and choose what you want. I don't think they have that option right now. But I feel like at some point seed is going to incorporate it into their website where you can go online and like actually create your own eyeshadow or blush or whatever it is. They definitely should if they have they're not planning on doing that already. If we made a gloss Angeles product, what would it be it would be like without this? I think it would be like a sunset like a Los Angeles Sunset, but what it'd be like a blush or a palette or a lip. I feel like it would be well, I obviously love a lip, but I Highlighter I was going to say I actually was leaning more towards like a blush highlighter do oh, yeah, because I think it's something because we both we are similar and different like yeah, you have your eyelash extensions. So while I love to make a mascara, like I'm never using it and you're not a big lip person. I am. Yeah, I'd be like can it be like a clear nude? Like I want it to be like a bold pink. Yeah, right. So I was thinking about that the other day. I'm like what if a brand came to us and was like gloss Angeles private. Bob would be such a dream and I feel because if you do it because it's a LOL. I love their Super Shock. Yep. That's like my favorite highlighter. So do the breaking Beauty girls. So guess we talked about that. Hmm. So yeah seed Beauty. They they know what's up and on the note of how many did they sell out of totty said that they sold out they had 100,000 units and they sold out so liar the money signs. Do you hear the cash register and that was literally just the pre-sale no one has tried the product except for a few of the YouTubers, right? Yeah, so literally people are just buying it because they love her that's insane and good for her. I like that. She kind of showed the receipts on that too. Mmm because the big thing right now is telling people that you're selling out of stuff and like making up numbers and it's like well, where's the part facts here? Like, let me see a document that proves all this so good patottie. I'm curious just from our own audience standpoint. Do you guys know who taught e is I know that sounds kind of ignorant on my part to ask but I don't know because it's like it's such a different world. Do you guys know who taught to use where you familiar with her before this and can get the did share by the pallet DM us. Let us know and do you like to buy celebrity and or influencer pallets? Yeah. Is that something that you are excited about? I will tell you when Mac partnered with Star his powder. The Patrick powder was one of my favorites just throwing that out there. They needed to make it a permanent thing. So we have another piece of News Sunday Riley settled with the FTC after the company was accused of posting fake reviews of their products on Sephora's website for two years. Yes, so they were accused and it they actually admitted to their crime the other Instagram what? Why kind of found was weird, but when was it Estee Lauder as a laundry when they brought the post the letter? Yep, it was on Reddit course dark web and basically an employee at Sunday Riley said hey as a Sunday Riley employee. We are told you know that this happened that this needs to happen. We have to write like three fake reviews create new accounts to do so, we have to download like a VPN which blocks are IP address. It has to be a certain. You know amount of characters long to be considered to downvote negative reviews. Mm-hmm, which I find extremely bizarre because apparently when you download a negative review it just disappears. Yeah, which what like, yeah, so the letter States if you see a negative review dislike it after enough dislikes. It is removed this directly translates to sales. This is insane and I really hope Sephora changes this on their website. Please keep the negative. Reviews, even if they're downloaded I would rather see that there's like two or three negative reviews would like 800 down votes than them just be totally gone and it actually makes me trust a product review more what I see that there's a mix of positive and negative. Totally nobody's gonna love a product all 100% Exactly. So anyways, long story short this came out people went nuts. And then this week our last week, actually they announce the FTC. That the punishment for the crime is that Sunday Riley is going to promise to never do this again. Yes. So the CNN article says as part of the settlement Sunday Riley agreed not to write fake reviews. The company did not admit wrongdoing or receive any form of punishment. So what exactly is this settlement that okay. So that's the number one thing. I am trying to figure out because people are mad that there was no definitive punishment. There wasn't like they have to pay $50,000 or $100,000 for a fine when I read settlement. That's what that means. Right? It doesn't that mean money like you settle out of court. So it's like if you're in court with someone and you're going through like any any, you know celebrity news where they settle out for one thing or the other there's definitely like money that's exchanged in order to like keep this from going to like a public forum. Where does that money go? The seat eight. I don't know back to the government. Yo to the government, but right but I I'm just curious like did when I see settlement I'm like so they definitely were find right. They definitely had to pay money but a lot of people don't seem to think that but then they did not admit wrongdoing and then it says they didn't receive any form of punishment. So isn't a penalty a punishment yes, or do you are are we is that not what they mean by that? Because I can't imagine that the FTC would be like, okay your punishment is you can't manufacture products for a year. Like you can't keep them from their livelihood, right? So, yeah, I mean unless they were actually toxic and doing something bad to you, but they're they don't and that's not what this problem is. The problem is just that they were lying about reviews and I say just because honestly, I'm so unfazed by this guy's so many brands do this. We know I've had some DMS from people being like Oh, yeah, we do that. And what I've been telling people when they ask for my opinion on it is Sunday Riley did not she's not The Mastermind behind right doing these reviews on retailer websites like is this is has to be learned behavior. Do I still love Sunday Riley products of yes, we're both going to keep using Sunday Riley products, but I will still recommend them to people because the problem is not that these products are bad or that they're not efficacious or that they're not actually like really Really good products in general. It's just that they were deceptive and which is just so crazy to me because everyone I know loves at least one Sunday Riley product. So they have a legitimate fan base. They have loyal customers. So to me, it doesn't make it doesn't seem necessary to ask your employees to write reviews. I know that's the weirdest part to me and I don't get it. I don't get it either. I think if I was going to be a a PR crisis manager what I would suggest to the brand is get Sunday to do some press and then drop her be completely transparent about what happened why it happened. Also, please have her be transparent about her background. Yeah. Is she a cosmetic chemist? We want TBD we're still dying to know so I think because the products are so great and people love them and they do have this cult-like following it does make it seemed a little shady that you're not being forced. Coming with information that you really could just put out into the world and set things straight and then move on. Yeah, like I don't think people would be talking about this as much if they would just be more open. Yeah, so I also want to add that our friend Jessica Chia who is an amazing Beauty editor at Al or wrote an article called our online beauty product reviews. Just one big scam and she does a huge Deep dive into this basically coming to the conclusion that yes other brands are doing this totally and maybe not as outright as Sending out a letter to all the employees asked them it giving them step-by-step instructions, but it's happening. So yeah, and you know what some of you are probably thinking. Okay. Well then how am I supposed to trust online Beauty reviews? And this is what I would say find somebody in the beauty industry that you truly trust and follow their reviews. If they haven't talked about a product. It could be that they just don't have time. It could also be because they don't recommend the product some of them might blatantly be like, I don't like this. Have a reason but most of the time if you're not hearing a lot about a certain product or brand it's because they're not recommending it also be super careful when you see articles online that are like this Amazon beauty product has over 20,000 five star reviews. Yeah, because as people that write in this industry for a living we know what people want to see and of course people are attracted to positive reviews. So if you're going to read An article like that, you need to make sure that there's an actual review within it from the writer. Not just a hey we found this product. Right and it has 20,000 positive reviews. It has Y and you should try it like you need to see if the person has tried it for themselves and and recommends it that way. So yeah, just like I mean, I think I would love to hear from you guys. I think Kirby and I both wouldn't want we want to know like how you guys come to a buying decision. Like why are you buying a product? Who are you asking? Where are you getting your Recommendations from are you checking multiple websites. Are you watching YouTubers are you you know, seeing your favorite influencers on Instagram recommend a product. I'm just so curious about it all same it's time for what's on your face Kirby. What's on your hair? Okay, so I want to talk. I want to give my hair some love. Yeah, we talked about here that much because I have a lot of fake hair. Well, it's a really pretty hair that you've to take care of. Thank you, and I also have to take care of my actual hair to that's bleach so So I got sent the in common beauty hair system. And if you guys aren't familiar in common Beauty was created by the founders of 9:01 Salon Nicky Lee and Rihanna Capri and they're an institution here in La. I mean people travel here just to get haircuts. Yeah them and colors. Yeah, and they work with so many celebrities, you know, that's why they've gained so much notoriety and attention and I think there's Salon is so cute on Melrose Place now, but so they launched a product. Four months ago. It was that it was like a hair Elixir was like a leave-in treatment that you could spray on and I really liked it and it was making my hair softer and overall just look a lot healthier and I tagged them and then Nikki was like did we not send you the whole system like walk so she did and I got it this week. And first of all the packaging is beautiful and I love the names of the products. You can tell that they were really thoughtful and trying to create something different and that wasn't just run-of-the-mill like shampoo. Ooh conditioner Etc. So like I said, it's a system. Okay, and you use it all together. So there's three steps there is first. Okay. So this is how I used it. Okay. I feel like my hair looks really good today. It does and it's very it's very soft. I can run my fingers through it and it doesn't feel like straw which it does have to die and it's okay to use with extensions. Yes. Okay, 100% so extensions and color treated hair. Yep. And so I start with the Malibu C treatment Justin. Person turned me on to this. He does my hair color. He's amazing and it's a vitamin C treatment for your hair that just clarifies any build-up and if you're getting Brasi, so I use it actually once a week and it just helps to brighten my blond. So I use that that I rinsed it and then I used the clear Hayes Universal shampoo. It's a foam so it's really fun to use you house. I feel like that's genius because I really try not to use that much shampoo in my hair same so foam would really help you control that yeah, and you don't need that much. Much and you start with the shampoo you obviously, you know, massage it into your hair you rinse and then there's the treatment portion so they have three different types of treatments. I use the strengthening enhancer. It's called mended see strengthening enhancer and includes what they call a C3 Custom Care complex and it includes two silk proteins and avocado oil. So it's really going to just strengthen your hair but also nourish it and make it feel really soft. It also contains babassu oil. Which is huge it's like this hidden secret from Brazil in terms of really enriching your hair and then blue berry extract which is great for not only strengthen your hair but like fighting it against like free radicals and stuff like that. What does it smell like it had just like a really fresh scent like honestly like it wasn't. Yeah. It wasn't like overwhelming to me. I honestly couldn't even describe to you what it smelled like just because it wasn't overpowering right which I like personally and you leave the the enhancer whichever one you choose like there's a moisturizing one and then there's one other one. I can't remember but you Spritz it through your hair and then you put on the Velvet Cloud Universal mask. So like this is their answer to conditioner. Okay, and you put it on top of the enhancer kind of like a one-two punch and then you leave it on like one to three minutes and then you brush it through and then you rinse it out. So together all of these ingredients are supposed to help kind of like regenerate and change your hair and That way I just love that. It felt like a skincare ritual for my hair like yeah, I feel like half the time I get in the shower and I like slap on some shampoo and conditioner and like wash my body and shave if I need to or whatever and then I'm out totally because I also trying to conserve water to I don't want to take up too much time in the shower for this. I actually turned off my shower because I'm you know, what I'm letting the masks it and stuff like that, but I just really enjoyed the process and especially since I don't wash my hair that often like twice a week if that That I absolutely loved it. I love the packaging. I think can you buy the products individually or yes? Okay, so the system together which is the shampoo and the enhancer and then the the universal Cloud velvet Cloud Universal mask is $105. But then none cheat. It's definitely not cheap. I would put this along the same lines as like Oribe or virtue break. I guess if you're not washing your hair everyday and it's obviously made with really great. It'll pass it's an investment one, but it's worth it. But then also like how long is it going to last? It's probably last you a while. Totally like I have a for me I don't go through shampoo and conditioner that that quickly huh, and that's because I don't use them not often. I feel like it is especially great for someone like me who does like luxury hair care. So I mean, I I don't know if I'll ever get through my orb a shampoo and conditioner that I finally got through it you did at through the conditioner not the shampoo. I just am like this is I feel like it just keeps refilling itself. Yeah, I Like it was a huge achievement. I'm definitely not complaining but I still am like wow, I can't get through this fast enough. I think I wash my hair more than you. Yeah. Yeah, but we have different hair Yeah. Well, yeah, so the product separately or like between like 25 and 30 dollars definitely like more luxury, but if you have color treated hair, I would definitely look into this. If you have to buy just one product, maybe make it one of the enhancers I agree because I feel like that's something that you Can't really find at the drugstore or from other parrikar lines. Yeah, but they the other thing too is, you know, they are made to work together like in this most powerful way. So I would highly suggest, you know, investing in the system. But at the same time, I don't know. I also think the shampoo is great like the shampoo foam. Yeah. I didn't want to have that like it's brilliant. So thank you Nicki and Rihanna for sending it to me. I'm so so pleased with it and I'm really excited for you guys that you created something really great. I'm going to bother you guys. For the shampoo film. Yep, Sarah. Yes. What's on your body? Yes. Okay. So speaking of things that I am just go opposite. I am just using so much of and I'm probably gonna run out really soon is the necessary body exfoliator. I need this specifically and Eucalyptus, but it is my favorite body exfoliator ever. I cannot stop talking about this product. So it's a body exfoliator that has to bed. Methods of exfoliation so there's chemical and physical. So there's like an Aha and a bah a trio of glycolic acid lactic acid and salicylic acid. So it's really helping to get rid of those dead skin cells, right? And then there's also pumice and bamboo charcoal to soften your skin without irritating it so it's like kind when it comes out. It's just like a little gel of like little black grains, but they're like, they're not harsh. Like I said, they're really gentle and I so Necessary is famous for their products that have no fragrance right which I love like their body wash. I love their lotion. I love love but this is the first time they're introducing products with sent in them interesting. And so they make one that is eucalyptus and then they make a sandalwood one. Whoo. Yeah, but they smell so good. Like I am beg like I was just dming commenting and being like, can you guys make a eucalyptus scented body wash because I just would never use anything else but back to the exfoliator. I use it probably two three times a week and it's just so easy to use. It's not messy like other body exfoliator as you know, where or it's also not super thick where I feel like somebody exploiters will you know, it's just like very hard to wash off hard to wash off really thick and you just feel like there's a film on your skin. Yeah, so my skin feels really soft after using this but I feel like I'm clean and then I just go in and use my Ocean or now? I'm using the augustness butter Rich cream. I know just very luxurious my God. I feel like a queen when I wear them. But can I just tell you I love necessary. I love his ass are so much if I had money to invest in a company it would be necessary thousand percent agree with I want this product to be in like every store imaginable because they're leaving it there so much. I mean they're beautiful you yeah, you feel good using it. You smell good I use it. That night so I other their lotion. Yes, I'm sorry the lotion I use it at night because I am a self tanning fiend. Yes and be I don't like when I have to get into bed and I have like this thick and you're wet and yeah, I feel gross same so I use this stuff. I'll put it on it absorbs so nicely there's literally no smell. I love it includes ingredients that help to strengthen your skin to. Yes. You always neglect your body totally just like you were talking about with Hair I feel like with body you spend so much time on your face that when it comes to your actual body like you just like whatever I'll just use whatever this lotion is in my bathroom. But yeah, all of the ingredients and necessary products are skincare grade, which is awesome as amazing and I go through it like water. Yeah. I know I've gone through like two bottles. I think I also have to add that. Do you have you used their Lube that they have? I just have to say it's a really great loop. We're adults here Patrick. Have we use the lat? Sorry anybody listening to this? Yeah, just it's the necessary the sex gel. It's a water-based lube and it's great and I would say that I'll just say it's by my it's in my nightstand. Okay, great. It's seen lovely. Wow. You made me blush a sorry. I don't get embarrassed much, but I was Sorry, but I just have to say it's important. Okay, when I had a decide with one of the founder co-founders Nick Axelrod we were talking about the sex gel and I hope my mom doesn't listen this episode just because it makes me nervous. But anyways, and he was saying how you know, he brought up a really good point where all of these people are, you know all about clean Beauty and just like, you know, really mindful of what they're putting in their bodies with They're eating but then when it comes to lube, they'll just use what you know, whatever is convenient surround a water. Why are you putting this on very delicate parts of your body? You're so right. So like right that's why I am a huge fan of the Sexes job also because it's great and lubrication is the key to good sex. I'm just putting it out there. It's like I'm blushing. Also you guys let's just be real girls real what you're not enjoying sex you need. Brocation the end the end $20 did it get it and enjoy have a good time. Okay guys, so Sarah and I got to talking this week and we were trying to come up with an idea that we thought would be beneficial for you guys and not like our other episodes are not because we do come from like a service aspect, but I was like what if we talked about ingredients that we kind of steer away from when it comes to trying products because Sarah and I obviously try a ton. Yes, and I'm sure you've gotten asked just as much as I have but how do you decide what products you're going to actually try right? We don't really get to just say no to things because it is our responsibility to try as much as we can write and I think I just want to preface this too by saying that we will always give a product a fair chance. This is just general guidelines for us personally where we sort of A setback and you know look at the ingredient label. Yeah, because we just personally haven't had the best experience exactly. So this is about ingredients that we kind of stay away from when it comes to specific beauty products. Now what you'll learn is we're going to go through here and talk to you about why we steer away from them, but then there are some products that we have that have the ingredient right? So it's definitely not like one size fits all it's not like we've banned them from our repertoire, but right we're hoping that by splaining our reasoning and what we have learned and lived through with you guys. It could help you find the culprit to like maybe while you're breaking out or why your hair isn't growing or whatever it is. And before we get into this, let's talk about our skin types. Yeah, so that yep people know so I am like I have an oilier T-Zone, but for the most part, I'm pretty normal. I'm definitely combination. I have an oily oily ass forehead T-Zone and then Get dry like around my nose like the corners of my nose and my chin and stuff and then you have melasma. I have melasma and then I have mild rosacea on my cheeks, which is so funny because like I never even realized very mild Ishani Darden was telling me but it's just something that I need. I mean my I didn't have it up until probably like a year ago. So obviously as I'm getting older my skin is a little bit more sensitive. But yeah, so those are skin types. Yeah, and my skin has cleared up since My like eruption from July. No. Yeah, it really has really has I did get a facial where they massage my face for an hour. It was orgasmic if you will ya since we're talking about it, but are we talking I mean we were but I am I have a little break out I like when one of my cheeks right now. Yeah, it's just from you know, the massage and stirring things up. So I mean that's it'll go away that would happen to me to not worried about it. Yeah. So yeah, that's our current state of our And our skin overall so there's our first ingredient. What is it creepy? It's Biotin for your hair. Yep. So like if you look in any hair growth supplement gummy, it has like loads of biotin in it. Okay. Yes and biotin is the ingredient known for growing longer hair and nails and that's awesome. But sometimes these supplements are filled with so much of it that it can actually cause As breakouts so a lot of times when I talk to people and they're asking me like I'm breaking out. I'm not sure I ask. Are you taking a haircare supplement and look and see how much biotin is in it? So biotin is actually known as vitamin B7 or vitamin H and you can find it and just a lot of the food that you're supposed to be eating like leafy greens egg. Yolks salmon. That's why I like they tell you if you eat well and eat, you know claiming you will have better hair and skin duh, so into the gloss You know, I've heard this from so many doctors but I haven't written about it yet into the glass actually has a great article about it about biotin in general and it's called the effects of Biotin might not actually be working. Unfortunately, which people are like what? Yeah, and if you read the article it explains that our bodies actually don't require much biotin to get by like it's not something we absolutely need it plays a role in cell growth, but mostly You learn about Biotin when you're like I want longer hair, right? I want stronger nails but there's a catch the research on biotin is patchy at best according to into the glass. So they're like our few super small scale studies that have shown by Odin's positive effects on strengthening your nails, but there's nothing that actually proves that it promotes hair growth and healthy people that's so wild which is like kind of insane this why there's been such a growth in collagen supplement. I think so. I truly think so. I think people were like, I don't know and sometimes the collagen supplement. You will find Biotin in there. Like they'll throw it in there and I uh, I think it's more like consumer aspect. I think so too because people know what biotin is and what it does. Yep. So biotin is water soluble. So if you have any excess of it in the body, it turns it into waste and they talked about how some dermatologists will recommend that you take biotin to help with your hair if it's not growing and stuff like that because it's not harmful to take but what I found is interesting is that biotin supplements are not really designed for people without a biotin deficiency. Mmm. So if you don't know that you have or don't have a vitamin biotin deficiency, and then you're taking biotin in hopes that it's going to help you with your hair and your nails doing anything you're wasting your money. It's just not even going to work. There is a the interviewed a doctor. Dr. Jessica why sir? She's a board certified dermatologist in New York, and she said the most Commonly, suggested dosage is two point five milligrams daily biotin. A lot of these is way more. Yeah, which is insane, but I think the most important point to take out of it. That is that dr. Weiser says that if you have a vitamin imbalance and you have too much biotin in your system, it could cause a rash it could cause a breakout and this is what is causing so many doctors to actually and and estheticians frankly to stop telling their clients to take biotin. I can't even read remember who told me this but I remember I was breaking out and I think it was a dermatologist and she was like, are you taking any biotin supplements and I'm like no. She's like interesting. I'm just asking because I've had so many people coming in with these like random breakouts or even like rash looking breakouts. And when I asked them and tell them to stop taking whatever Biotin supplement they're taking it clears right up interesting. So my recommendation is like if you're trying to grow out your hair, I totally get it because I I struggle with that. That's why I have hair extensions. But if you are noticing that you have these consistent breakouts and it's like not attributed to your diet. It's not like hormones. It's not like that. You got a new fabric softener, or maybe it's not even a product that is like clogging your pores. It might be the supplement you're taking so always read your supplements and make sure that like, it doesn't have too much biotin in it. Okay. So the next ingredient that both Kirby and I are little bit worried of and maybe you are too are Are essential oils? Yep, pure essential oils, you know, there are a ton of natural skin care products out there that are made with some sort of essential oil and you know, while a lot of them are loved by many people and they work great. I have to say like a lot of them are not great for people with sensitive skin or just in general like I don't think a lot of dermatologist would recommend using essential oils on your skin at. All, right? I agree. Yeah, so There is a really great article on women's health UK that basically agrees with Caribbean me essential oil natural oils. They are, you know rich in antioxidants and contain antibacterial ingredients that protect against skin issues with so it when you think about it, you're like this sounds great. This sounds like something that I want to put on my skin, but most of the components in the oils can really irritate your skin because of the fragrance in it, which makes sense right? Because any product with a strong fragrance should not be used on your skin. There are some examples that Women's Health UK lists, like limonene citronella low and eugenol which are all present in fragrant plant oils. Like I know that a lot of people love using skin care products that have some essential oils in it because it smells really good. But if that's the only reason you're using it and you're not seeing like the benefits and it really it you should it be using them at all anytime. I see a product that's like lat. Under am like no like I don't want this on my face. Yeah, like even if it's a synthetic fragrance to be completely honest, which is like just as badass. So I think like four essential oils. Yes. I love going to a massage and like they put the hands over your face and like have you inhale? Yes, but they're not like rubbing that product like all over my face, right? And so I think that you can also if you do love using essential oils, like you can use them on your body right? You can put some drops of lavender. Evander in your bath or you can you know rub it on like your 10 spots on your body, but I would just steer clear from putting it on your face and then they also spoke to an aromatherapist who said that if you do really want to use essential oils in your skin care products General guideline is to use something that has one percent dilution. So let's like do you use tea tree oil? Yes. Yeah. So I think that that's an essential oil that I like to use like if I'm having Break out but I make sure to dilute it. Of course. I just it's too it's too much when it's not diluted. Exactly. It's just too potent. They suggest that like natural oils to use that are not so fragrant are rosehip almond Argan and coconut oil. But also, you know, if you are someone that is naturally oily or you have really sensitive skin, you know, always remember to patch test and then they I thought that was really funny this article was like if you really miss the smell just like Get a diffuser or just you know by if lavender lavender candle if you miss the smell like smell something instead of putting it on your face exactly. Yeah, just inhale it love it. Yeah. Okay. So on that note they mentioned coconut oil and wow. Everyone knows Kirby's feelings. It's like, oh I'm so anti coconut oil but I have actually talked about why yes, and I've actually kind of opened my mind a little bit coconut oil so coconut oil. Remember, I don't know 2016 2015 like that's all anybody was talking about like the meme. Oh my God. I think that bustle like I did probably like 20 articles on coconut oil. Oh, yeah. I did a video you can find it 26 ways to use coconut oil I talk about like slapping it in your hair putting it on your face oil base mining oil pulling like you making little legs sachets to like put in your your shoe drawer what I'm gonna like and looking back. Like I'm like, okay. Well, I mean I clearly was a face of a company making a video for that company like these weren't my full right Indians on the matter. So if you're going to come at me just know that but also it was like a it was all anyone was talking exactly. So, you know, we work in digital publishing we capitalize on what people are talking about cereal, but I have also written many an article about why coconut oil please just don't go to the grocery store and pick up extra virgin coconut. Oil and slap it on your face and use it as a makeup remover or to moisturize your skin and then wonder why you're breaking out. Yeah if it works for you great, but it's committed genic. It's a 4 on the kemetic genic scale. So even if you're not breaking out, but you're noticing like you have just black hairs everywhere. It's probably because of the coconut oil that being said when I went on the Max Factor trip, I did talk to a cosmetic chemist and she was incredibly knowledgeable and I asked her about coconut oil in Beauty. Oh Ducks, you know in skin care and makeup products because like foundations are you kind of utilizing coconut oil now and she explained to me like listen. Yes in a solid form that you would get from the grocery store. The extra virgin coconut oil is combat a jeddak. However, formulations matter. Mmm, that's why we like some products more than others because they're formulated differently if the coconut oil isn't in its solid form and it's fractionated which I've written about this. It's the liquid form that doesn't solidify at room temperature. That's okay to use. It also just depends on like how much is in it. So what I would say is if you see a product and it has coconut oil in it. It's specifically made for skin care and it's not 100% pure like extra virgin coconut oil give it a try like my mind has been opened. I'm not completely anti anymore because there are product. I mean there are some new products that are going to come out that you guys are going to see I'm actually a big Big fan of that have coconut oil in them. Yeah, they're not the base of the product but it's included. So the other thing I wanted to bring up though, is that coconut oil is also bad for your hair. So a lot of people I've talked to Allison McNamara about this. She's like, oh my God, I thought I was going crazy because people are like use coconut oil for your hair and then like my hair would feel like straw and like me too. Well as it turns out I talked to a colorist a couple years ago, and he said that it can alter the pH of your hair. And so if you color treat your hair, It can make your color fade more quickly. Okay, and it can also make your hair extremely dry. So if you've been using coconut oil hair masks and you're wondering why your hair feels drier than before and then you keep on using more coconut oil. You definitely should stop using the coconut oil. That's so interesting wild, right? Yeah. I have to say that. I personally like some coconut oil products, but I do steer clear if it is a skincare product, but Soco glam Lee introduced this product it by solves skincare. It's the coconut oil cleansing pads and I was looking at the ingredients it's made with 100% virgin coconut oil. But okay, this is and this is what confuses me because I trust Soco Glam right and and Charlotte. She is like one of my skincare gurus and she like says and swears by this product and it won the best of K Beauty award for 2019, but then it comes down to formulation. I thought that's what it is the product. I don't know which product you're referring to so I can't see it. Yeah, it's not like a solid ball know. It doesn't look like in the pits in a little bits drenched in the oil but it's a pad. So you're not you're it's probably if it's drenched in the oil in the oil is liquid. Yes. Yeah great. Great get on with your bad self. Right and it's probably you know, I can't imagine that it is like super super saturated like it. Maybe it's like and it has like a little exfoliating side the big going to need to try this. We are we are and and the big kicker here is that it's probably fractionated coconut oil. It's the coconut oil that is in liquid form. Yeah. It isn't the one that solidifies at room temperature. So I'm totally down with that. Hey Sephora collection made a like makeup wipes, which I'm usually pretty anti but like if I'm going to use a makeup wipe, I now use that one email Jamie and I'm liking you so many more these coconut oil wives because there they were gentle and they actually clean my skin really nicely. I love the Sephora wipes. Yeah, they're great. I'm trying to not use as much but I love them. I don't use wipes as much anymore unless I'm like going hardcore with like a face paint situation. I have them like I have some in my car for like after the gym. Hmm But I try yeah. Oh my God a gel does here all he's snoring. So sorry for boring you - yeah. Wow guess you know, everything about ingredients over here does but yeah, so I think this is like actually a big transformative. Moment for me because I'm not just so anti coconut oil like I'm still not gonna be I mean, I'll send Kirby your coconut oil products. I'm like crying in the corner but no seriously like to eat coconut oil I can I mean love I don't know water. I like coconut water. I love eating a coconut. Yes. Yes. Oh my gosh coconut. I love it. But I am not a big fan of and I like the way that coconut taste for sure. I don't actually like coconut oil when I'm cooking though. Mmm Yeah. No. It's a strong taste. Yeah. Okay, speaking of oils. We also kind of try to stay away from products that have squally squalane squalane. Scuola quality. That's what that's like how I want to say it. No, Sarah Sarah can speak to this but it's interesting because we both didn't like say this before. And there was you're talking and I'm like are we talking about the same product? Yeah, and we just realized that squalane and this particular product like made us break out and I again back to coconut oil. I think it just has to do with formulation. Yep. Like are you not all products obviously are created equal and there are different amounts of the squalling that are being used. And then when you use it in conjunction with another product that might be what causes us to break out or you know irritates your skin, but let's back up so What a squalane it is the hydrogenated version of squalene a compound produced Naturally by our sebaceous glands. Did you know that squalene used to be harvested from Shark liver? So I did but now they are all plant-based for the most part. I mean, you should all look at your ingredient label to make sure but it's so it's naturally produced by the body but its production slows as we age which means that our skin gets drier because of it and so when you incorporate squalene Into your skin care it is said that it can help restore the balance of your Skin's oils. Yeah for the most part. I know tons of people who love squalene people like some of my friends truly attribute squalane to completely changing their skin. Yeah, like it helps with its it's funny that it irritates our skin because it's supposed to be famously non-irritating and it helps with people with like eczema or people who have like really sensitive skin. So that's why I'm were like, that's why I think it's the formulation and Not the actual ingredient because may I remind you guys Beauty stat has squalane in it? And I am know how much you care if I see beauty stat, so it really comes down to the formulation. And and I think also back to your skin type. So maybe it's because you have some oily parts of your skin. Maybe I was applying it too much on my T-Zone. But yeah, so because quality is part of sebum and excess sebum can contribute to acne people who have oily or acne-prone skin. Chin should probably not be using a lot of it good to know. That's a great tip. But yeah again, like all of these other ingredients case-by-case basis. Do you boo? Yeah if it works for you great. Well, I'm going to tell you to stop using squalane right now. You're a loving it and it's transforming your skin if you're using squalane right now and you notice that your skin is bring mess. Yeah, then maybe stop using it see what happens. Do you have pure oily skin and maybe or maybe it's the formulation we want to know. Okay this last one so when Curry and I were writing this episode up. I told her that I don't like to use skincare products that have food ingredients in it. And I was so confused because I'm like are you telling me you don't like the smell of to face like chocolate? I mean, I love the smell of it and I use all of those products like the new gingerbread palette that they launch them and I love like the hmm getting so good. But a lot of the lat skincare ingredients. Is that have like chocolate or vanilla or like some real fruit in it? It just really irritates. My skin doesn't make my skin happy. I know that a lot of people love love them and it does it works on their skin, but personally for me anything was just too much of a strong fragrance and a lot of the times it is synthetic for if you have like a vanilla face mask, so I just can't use them. Yeah, I okay. So I see what you're saying. I think like we're trying to be cautious. Yeah, I'm about what we say because we don't want to drag anybody. But yes, if there is a product they're just some products that I think brands have capitalized on like regarding a certain fruit and that's totally fine. And I know some people are obsessed with it. I just personally like can't use those products. And so that's the thing too is maybe it's also just because a lot of really really natural beauty products that are made with like a hundred percent organic, you know ingredients those also make me break out same so and maybe that's what it is. Yeah, maybe my face just needs don't kill me those preservatives. Yeah. Yeah, but but yeah if it has like, I don't know like a chocolate. I love you. Keep going back to childhood, but I know you're not talking about chocolate. I know it. I just I didn't I like this. I don't know what I feel like. It was a time when there was like chocolate facials. I don't I don't never gotten one. Did you ever get one? No, I didn't but yeah, I will say this like we talked about fragrance on this podcast because we do think we need a little bit of something like its life. It's personal if it's like a skincare ritual. We at least want to smell a little something like this or I don't need to have right, you know body about like I don't want to smell like strawberries and cream or whatever, you know, I would rather it just be more chill for my body but like If I'm doing this ritual every night of cleansing my face and putting stuff on even the morning. It would be nice if the products have a decent smell like I talked about this the colorscience product that I tried. Yeah, and then I'm loving and I wear it as like my sole source of sun protection these days because it's just so good. I do like literally I Grimace when I put it on around my nose because it does not smell great so color science, please fix that but on that note. Yes. Yeah anything with a fragrance That is too overpowering you might be breaking out because just bottom line your skincare. You really don't need no like it's fragrances. It's important in that like we don't want it to smell like disgusting but adding like a fragrance especially a synthetic fragrance is not really necessary totally like irritate you maybe save the fragrance for like your MAC lipsticks. Yeah. I love that Mac smells like vanilla. I truly do like I know that vanilla such an overplayed fry. Grants for makeup, but it also I think there's like a Nostalgia element to that. No, I'm just like when I put something on my lips, I do kind of want to I like totally open skincare. Yeah and I transport like back to like the map counter at the like my local Nordstrom and like being like do I have enough money to buy this lip gloss lip glass back in the day? Yep. Okay, so all in all the ingredients that we kind of look out for on like you're laughing on labels are Biotin squalane essential oils coconut oil coconut oil and then anything that is says fragrance or like certain juices and stuff anything any of that fake food skin care stuff. Yeah - Howard. Like I know this girl. Did you learn anything you guys? Yeah. I'm like, did you learn anything from the bottom line is you guys we all just should be a little bit more Discerning Discerning. We should all be a more Discerning when it comes to the skin care products that we use. And again, this is totally just our personal takes on these ingredients. Are we going to use a product that has squalene coconut oil and essential oil and biotin in the future? Probably probably probably let's be real. Yeah. I'm I will always be game to try anything. Same I will just be a little bit more wary. So we hope this serves kind of as a roadmap for you guys. If you enjoyed this episode, please go onto iTunes guys. We were featured in nylon as one of the best beauty podcast to listen to and 2019. We are so honored. Yes. Thank you so much. We also we have a bunch of new listeners since our pod swap with breaking beauty. Hello. Welcome, if you're new, I hope you've listened to the old episodes we are so To have you and we're working our way up the iTunes charts who we have broken the top 20 in terms of fashion and Beauty podcast on iTunes. We're so excited that's wild and we keep growing like I look at the numbers every week. I'm like, holy crap. This is amazing. So thank you guys so much for the positive support. 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Our job is to try everything at least once, but that doesn't mean we don't pump the breaks when it comes to certain ingredients. We've learned over time what our skin can withstand, and we notice patterns when it comes to how our skin reacts to specific ingredients. Is it the ingredient itself, or how it's formulated? Consider this episode your roadmap — by no means are we saying all products with these ingredients are bad, but if you find your skin is breaking out, overly sensitive or has developed an adverse reaction to a certain product, this can help you narrow down a possible culprit. --- Thank you to our presenting sponsor, HUM Nutrition! Glow Sweet Glow ($25) What's on Your Face? Kirbie: In Common Beauty Hair System ($105) Sara: NÉCESSAIRE The Body Exfoliator ($30) NÉCESSAIRE The Sex Gel ($20) References: Effects of Biotin - Into the Gloss Are Essential Oils Safe for the Skin? - Women's Health UK What Coconut Oil to Avoid if You Don't Want to Break Out - POPSUGAR --- Be sure to subscribe and review us on Apple Podcasts: bit.ly/Gloss_Angeles Listen to us on Stitcher and Spotify, too! Follow us on Instagram: instagram.com/Gloss_Angeles Shop all of our product lists: http://www.shopstyle.com/shop/GlossAngeles Shop Kirbie’s stash: https://www.shopstyle.com/shop/Kirbie-Johnson Shop Sara’s stash: https://www.shopstyle.com/shop/saratan Gloss Angeles is co-hosted by Kirbie Johnson and Sara Tan. Our editor is Patrick Muldowney.

We rise by lifting others, welcome to episode 2, I'm so excited to share today's topic with you. I am chatting with Mark Wilson, and we're talking about community over competition. Hi friends, welcome to my podcast. Let's talk about it. My name is Akashi. I can seye party planner event designer business coach author and founder of Kesh events, and I am your host each week. I'm going to bring you conversations about life business events lifestyle weddings and everything in between. Thank For joining me for today's episode. Let's Dive In. Hey guys. So today's episode is going to be surrounding the topic of community over competition. I'm going to be chatting with an amazing amazing amazing floral designer event designer based in New York Mark Wilson, and he's going to tell us a little bit about his story and his business and how his made it through this industry for 22 years. I look up to him as a mentor a friend and what actually brought up this. Episode was a recent experience. I had I had to design an event in the Bahamas and I can tell you that I probably face every challenge every designer could to the best of my ability. It was a very tough for days everything we can think of went wrong deliveries went wrong, you know, just everything but what happened in the end was just beautiful. Everyone came together like Mark Wilson was there shout out to others are at Eddie's are at Sea and he's going to be in another episode. But what happened was everybody came together being a designer doesn't mean that you can't help other people like it was a very stressful situation. However, Everyone came together and this episode I wanted to bring in Mark so he can share his story has such an amazing story and very successful highly successful not only in New York, but also in DC and Miami, so he has a wealth of knowledge. I wanted to bring him on and just share stories and you guys will see me bring on other planners other designers because everyone has a story that's unique we can learn from everyone communities. So Stronger than competition. I believe that we Thrive by coming together and you will one day find yourself in a spot where you're going to need your community and if you isolate and you don't get in that sense of community, you're going to find yourself in the very very tough spot. I talked about this a lot in my workshops and in my coaching sessions. I preach community over and over again. It would come in handing in at times. You never even think of I can tell you that if if it wasn't for the sense of community we had if this recent experience we probably wouldn't have made it. So I'm so grateful for everyone. I'm grateful for Mark. I'm great grateful for every other designer that came in. It is around ten was one of them. He's an amazing designer based in La so we're going to have a part to discussion with Him on another episode but this time were talking with Mark and we had such a fun chat Mark is amazing his so sweet and talented and amazing. But I want you guys to please get in the mindset of community get in the mindset of embracing other people don't look at them as competition. Look at them as inspiration. Look at them as your family look at them as as people that you know you as a community T I can't stress that enough on a daily basis I engage and interact with planners and designers and creatives in my field and we share advice would bounce ideas off each other we help each other out whether it's you know from name it and sometimes it could just be a situation where you need to talk to someone that's in your space that's in your workspace that literally understands what you're talking about whether it's a challenge or victory. So we need to get shipped from that mindset of competing so much in a negative way and shift that into a sense of building a community. The reason why we're lunching creatives corner is to create a sense of community where you feel safe, but he also feel like you have resources within your peers So within your colleagues other designers don't look at them as don't be intimidated to make friends with planners and designers people. Will that do what you do? Everyone brings something unique to the table? And if you do not, you know embrace them and make friends and engage and celebrate with them. You're losing out you are depriving yourself of growth you're depriving yourself of that sense of community. There is so much warmth in and comfort knowing that people are doing what you do and go through the same challenges as you do and also experience. Same successes. So when someone in your field is doing well his has a statute that's been featured or posted a beautiful wedding. They just did give them a compliment leave a comment, you know engaged, you know, like their photos send them DM's and tell them how beautiful the work is and encourage them as you would want to be encouraged. So this episode is really about again embracing the sense of community and taking away that negative thought of competition. Ocean where everything is is so competitive but it's in a negative way. So we need to change our mindset. So again, I'm going to be bringing so many creatives in my space that I love and cherish from photographers to planners and designers and I feel like you're going to hear from each episode. You're going to gain something new and you're going to hear A New Perspective you're going to learn something and I respect all these all these creatives that are going to be coming in on the podcast. And I hope that you get to listen and learn from them as well as I do every day. So take a listen Mark Wilson is the founder and creative director of the style Mark by mwd. Lifestyles. Mark is an amazing floral and event designer with offices based in New York DC and Miami with over 22 years of experience. Mark is known for transforming venues into classically elegant stylish. And unique environments from destination weddings to corporate events Mark those at all. Mark's work has been published in a variety of media including Grissom on Town and Country New York weddings Brides New York Times the not Essence and more his designed events for celebrities such as Jennifer Lopez Magic Johnson Gwyneth Paltrow in the list goes on. I'm so excited to share my interview with Mark with you today. Take a listen. This episode is sponsored by anchor. If you haven't heard about anchor it's the easiest way to make a podcast. It is free and an amazing and easy creation tool that allows you to record and edit your podcast right from your phone or your computer and could also help you distribute your podcast through Outlets like Spotify Apple podcast and many more it is everything. You need to make a podcast all in one place download the free. Anchor app or go to Anchor that afem to get started. Hi Mark. Thank you for joining me on this episode. So excited to have you thank you sweetheart. I'm love. I'm happy to be here. What part of the world are you in right now? I'm still in New York off to Florida at the end of the month right after Christmas. Wonderful. Well, thank you so much for joining me and makes cited for a car. Over seishin. I was just sharing in the previous part of the episode about the event that we had and how our community showed up and how especially you showed up for me and that you know, it was just such a way that touched me so deeply so I want to stop and just Express a heartfelt. Thank you for being so amazing and being a leader in I'm so grateful grateful to have you in my life and thank you so much for the love. You showed me. Tom please sweetheart. It was my honor. It's like really Community is really about about being there for each other first and foremost, don't you think absolutely I completely agree that actually leads me to some questions I have so I would like for us to talk about what community over competition really means to you. I think that community over a competition for me personally means exactly what we did together when we were down and in NASA it's there was a situation where you needed help and it's and there was no, you know, there was really no conversation about do you really need help? It's just about jumping in and helping that person for you know complete the task at hand communities is really about picking up the phone and asking each other for not necessarily favors, but for advice and in do you have experience in this or that situation within our industry format? And hopefully we can help and share with each other. That's me is that that to me is really what come Community is about there really is no competition. At least there never has been in my world only because for me there's a place at the table for everybody everybody gets what they get the piece of the pie. They're supposed to get so that I acknowledge a little I agree and that's so true. It's like you said it's not just about favorites about friendship said it's about being there for each other and just you know sense of community. So because we're so much stronger if we trust each other and support each other and become and and build a community within our own within our own group that allows us to all be good at what we do and to all be better at what we do. That's what community is. Absolutely. Wonderful. So you have 22 years and more years of experience is being an event designer and you were in multiple locations not only New York Miami TCC and you travel all around the world. So first of all, like how what inspired you to become? designer that's a really interesting question because my background my studies. I studied Fine Arts in college. So I studied textile design and I studied painting. So when I got out of art when I got out of Art School, excuse me, I actually ended up moving to New York City and I wanted to become a fine artist. I wanted to do what what I want. What how do I say this? It was sculptural textiles, which is kind of hard to explain to people because it's Capture but using materials natural materials that textiles artists use in a natural format. So that was my goal in life. I quickly found that I was going to starve to death. I continued down that road. And so I ended up getting a job and a small textile design company which started my my eight-year career in the textiles and Home Furnishings industry. Wow, so that's how I ended up in New York and that Is how so that started it and then through a through the eight years the company I worked for was sold. I really wanted to get back to doing more be more creative Because by the time the company I worked for sold. I actually had been traveling nationally and internationally doing meetings and stuff for these textiles for the textile company. I work for for mass-market retailers, and I was exhausted so I was 35 years old I made more money than anyone in my family had ever imagined or even more money in the I had imagined. I was sitting in a sitting in a cafe in Paris 35th birthday with my best friend and I said to him I turned to him and I said, you know, I have a life I never could have imagined and I hate it. Wow. So so a year later almost a year to the day later. The company was sold the game a year salary and I walked away and That's when I decided I took a six months off. I rented a house down in Tortola for about three and a half weeks and chilled and had friends come down and we chilled and and then I came back to New York and I decided okay, Mark, what do you want to do? So one of the things that I had been doing through the course of the textiles industry is entertaining a lot with clients so through that entertaining I had dealt with flowers all the time. I dealt with planners and dealt with all of this. This kind of format and I thought this is something I really enjoy doing. I don't know if I'm going to be able to be a good florist or not. I don't even know how to do flowers. So what did I do? I went I got online and I checked out the top five florist in New York City and I quietly went to every single one of their shops to check them out and in doing so I landed on one floral company that I thought fit my My you know where I wanted to go and where I thought I could learn and I came back to them. I said hi and introduce myself. I said, I don't know about flowers, but I'm willing to learn I said I would like to know internship or a part-time job for you or whatever. And so the guy who owns it said Olivier who I'm still friends with to this Labor Day said to me well and it's very French accent. We don't pay people who don't know what they're doing and I think I said that's okay. I'll work for free and he looked at me and he says you'll work for free and I said yes, I'll work for free for the he says you have a job you can start tomorrow. So that's how I started in this industry. So that's when so few months into that actually the summer into that I then ended up learning enough that I met other people in the industry. I started freelancing for people like Preston Bailey who everybody knows and who I'm still friends with today as you as you know, and there were oh my god, there was there was some of the great he's there seven most of the ones that I actually work. That's old news. That's how I started long-winded story. But that's actually how I started in the industry. Okay. So leave you did you research it's you know, just talking about your history and how you got started. So you were willing to do the research you did the research and you were willing to work for free to learn your craft. Right because one of the things that I said, I always try to tell people look I was fortunate I had money in the bank I could afford to do that. Not everybody can afford to do that. But one of the things that I really feel that people are not doing in our industry is they're not putting the time in to learn their craft and they're not they're not putting their time in to learn how to run their businesses because one of the things that I even you and I've talked about this this is a business person. For most this is a business. You have to learn your craft or else. How are you going to say into? How are you going to be able to stay in business for the long run great. So it's not just a short term thing you saying you have to learn it to last in the industry for years and using your things at 22 years is no joke and in a competitive industry for that matter, right exactly because if you don't understand what am I? What are the things like one of my art? Teachers always says you have to understand the path. To be able to move on to the Future by understanding the past you can manipulate the things that you understand and know and build on that and create something new from it. Wow, that's deep. When did you know? So you did all your research you in turn, you know, you reached out to the right people you're getting experience. But when did you know that this was for you? Like when did it hit you? Oh my God. That's a great story. So. So one of my best friends owned a catering company called simply Grand catering and I think I was like, maybe three maybe four years in at this time and you know all these times I was working for all the big Design Studios and and learning my craft. So a friend of mine said to me. Hey, you know, my friend Jerry says I have big fundraiser that I'm doing and it's not a lot of money, but it's a good opportunity for you. Would you be interested and I said, course, I would be interesting interested little did I realize it was 200 tables. Oh my God, 200 tables and it was at Hammerstein Ballroom in Manhattan on 34th Street and 8th Avenue and it was a fall. I created a fall Harvest themed table setting and all it was worth fall leaves Bittersweet branches pumpkins and gourds and With so young in the business that I didn't know I had no fear. I didn't know that I should be scared of 200 tables, right? All right, I just did it. I did the job and they were ecstatic and I looked back at it and I realized wow, this is for me. I love this that want you know what it is. I stand I still get this today that moment when you're just insane and then right before the doors open, it's all done and you Step back for that quick second and you look at everything. You've just created and you're like, wow, I just did that. Wow. Yeah, that's correct. It was for me. That was your aha moment. And that's what union. So did you have any doubts after that day like you felt like okay should never miss but did you have any doubts at all? Never ever? Not once not never not in my entire life of doing this. Have I ever doubted my decision? Regretted my decision ever. That's amazing. Not one when you know you okay. So my next question for you is as a person of color and LGBT what successes and challenges have you had? Huh as a person of color in a predominantly white dominated industry, especially in New York City. It has been there have been many many challenges on many different levels throughout my career. You know, there's been there was an incident where I was doing when I was younger and early on in my career when I was doing flowers for this very high-end design company interior design company. I would go in and do their flowers for them and I do all their orchids and and so and I've done that for about a year and a half and then I ended up meeting at one point the owner of the The company wanted me to come in and do some flowers for one of her clients. So she met me we did the work. She was very pleasant to me and then they never use me again. Hmm, so there have been many instances and that's just one story there have been many instances throughout my career in New York City, which is considered a very liberal City. Yeah that things like that have happened not because I'm good are not good. But because I am a person of color so that that's a factor. But with that said those are there issues. They're not mine right harpa. I don't let that be to get under my skin. It's a reality and you move on because not every person is going to be for you. So I get off the question and I can't answer that for you. Pretty cool. Perfect. So, how do you how do you like dealing with that? Which is I feel like it's it's hopefully goes away at some point. But how do you how do you overcome that? How do you stay motivated? How do you how do you wake up again? When you experience something like that, including your best effort in you? Don't get the jump again because of your color and it doesn't you know because Person of color it could be it could be because I'm black it could be because I'm gay. It could be because of multiple things but I walked through the door as a professional first and foremost and that's how I look at things as how I treat things as how if I don't get a job. I look at it in those terms, you know, it wasn't the right job for me. That's how I wake up every moment every day and and get up and do it all over again by telling myself. Is that what? Good job that God wanted me to have I would have gotten a job and went nuts. I'm not supposed to have that job. Yeah period and move on and I keep concentrated on the next what I what I can do next. I like it. I get more being gay and being black is is both a positive and a negative depending on who you talk to. You know, it's like I mean, I laughingly get people who don't think I am gay. He will like you're like the straightest gay guy we've ever met. I'm like dude. I just kind of this is like how I look this is who I am. I can't pretend to be something I'm not right. Oh man, but I love what you said. And walk through the door as a professional. I think that's key and I think sometimes we forget that we're going into a job with no assumption just walking is a professional and if it's for you it's for you. So I love rap. I would never assume that I'm going to get a job when I walk I'm never I don't I don't assume. Well, I never said I think that the that's the kiss of death is when you start assuming that you should be getting everything that you put your hands on. No, you're not supposed to get everything you put Hands off. Wow. So how do you balance family life and work as you do a lot of destination weddings have a lot. How do you balance it? All I'm incredibly fortunate that I have a partner who is incredibly strong and self-confidence. That's how I do because he does not mind that I'm gone. I'm doing my thing. All he cares about is like baby. Go ahead. And do you This you know, it's I if I didn't have that support system at home. I don't think that I could be doing what I'm doing. It's just too hard, you know, you need to be you need to have somebody that you can go home too and that you can just you know, and and when you need to blow off some steam you can blow off some steam privately and the competence of your own home privacy of your own home without knowing that it's going to slip out the door, you know. Wow, yeah. Wow, so the support we saying support system is key having a strong suit. Yeah, so important and it whether it's your partner your husband your wife your family members with somebody that you can have who's who who you can have their trust in their confidence that you can say things that part of, you know are not necessarily always PC and and know that it won't go any further, right, but that kind of support system is Is key I think for all of us and for the people who who are Workaholics called designers and event planners and the crazy people that's us crazy the crazy. So Mark you and your partners in several museums in New York. You tell me tell us a bit more about that. I'm sorry, my what so you have a partnership with different several museums in New York, right? Yes. Hey right again. Yeah, so we are again report. We are preferred vendors each of the in each of these institutions in New York City and basically what that means for us is that you know, as a preferred vendor, we are the first words first line. Vendors that they would have their clients who want to do a particular event at the Museum. They would reach out to us first we they are required to use one of us and there are a number of us on that list. I am not alone. There are there are three other very talented good Design Studios that are on the list along with me. And so they have and we're all very different. So Have a choice to either reach out to me or to reach out to one of the other three design companies. I I can say that I've been incredibly fortunate because at the Metropolitan Museum of Art in 2019, we averaged two two events a month at the Museum, which is pretty darn good at the other Museum that the brand new relationship the New York Historical Society. We just got on board this year. So we're hoping that 2020 is going to be a very fruitful year for all of us again the same situation. I'm one of two or three different Design Studios that are on that list and they, you know, they reach out to us first if if a client wants to reach out does not reach out to us. They actually end up having to pay the Museum's a stipend of some sort to not use one of the in-house people that are preferred we are preferred. We understand all of the rules and regulations that are required to get into the museum and what we can and cannot do. So. Yeah, so just kind of in a lot of our listeners are planners event designers floors creative entrepreneurs and a lot of questions that I get is one of the questions I get is, how do you skill? How do you get into these venues? How do you network? So what advice can you share to creative intrapreneurs on how? To build these relationships how to become preferred vendors because a lot of people struggle with that. That's a really there is no there is no rule book for this are there though ambulance going by welcome to Manhattan. Yeah, there is no rule book for this. I'm fortunate to because I worked in corporate for eight years. I understand the culture. I understand and and all I did was working side-by-side and sail with people who are in that corporate mindset and stuff and and and major Museum institutions and a lot of these institutions corporate or whatever. They have this level of corporate mindset that you know, you have to kind of figure out how to tap into it and that's by and that's really just just by listening by paying attention and listening to what they're saying to you so that you can interpret that in a way that that's going to be favorable for you. I got into the Metropolitan Museum of Art partially because the client of mine had been telling who does a lot of business there had mentioned it to them probably three years ago. Two years ago. I was at a cocktail party and the some of the girls were there. My client it was their client. It was my clients party. They introduced me we said hello exchange cards, no biggie and then six or seven months later. I reached out to them said hey, it was lovely meeting you guys. I would love for you guys to come over and have a studio visit with me probably three or four or five months later. They actually did come into my studio. Had a lovely afternoon and I had said to them and this works for me. This is not does not work for everybody. But my MO is this when I'm eating on the site important client somebody at the stature of the Metropolitan Museum of Art where if you screw up once you're never going to get another chance for the rest of your life, it just won't happen. So what I said to them in the course of that meeting is this why don't we Why don't you guys consider giving us a small job? And the reason why I'm saying this to you is because you guys don't really know me and I don't know you so I think by doing a small job together. It'll give us a chance to grow into each other and get an understanding it pulp if we feel that we are a good fit for one another because honestly I said I may not be a good fit for you and you may not be a good fit for me. So by doing something small and seeing how it goes and building that relationship that way I think that we might have a better chance of building a much longer last longer lasting relationship. And so the girls looked at me and they were like, wow, okay done. Wow, so that's all they gave me my first job and I've been working for them ever since and so that happened for so for about that the first year I just got small small $2,500. Nods, you know, I don't even do $2,500 jobs anymore. But for the Metropolitan Museum of Art I'm going to do a $2,500 job because it's the mats. Yeah. It's a prestigious institution in the United States of America. Hello. I'm going to do that. I mean, I'm the only black company that that is a preferred vendor in one of the best museums in the world. Hello. I'm going to do that job, so We did that job. We did little small jobs for them for a year. And then at the end of that year that December the 12th December 2018. They emailed me and says we're going to add you if you want as a preferred vendor at the Museum. And of course I said yes, and then the rest is history. So basically what I'm saying to you and again, this doesn't work for everybody. I take it slow. I'm not a pushy salesperson. I built I try to build relationships gingerly. And organically and not try to push it. So and if it works, it works, sometimes it takes a little longer but it by building a relationship organically and not feeling like you're pushing them. You'll have a much better stance chance of having a very long lasting relationship business-wise. I rarely ever lose a client once I get them. Most of my clients have been with me my whole career. So you're saying build relationships organically and so you're saying also the keys and networking and building relationships. Yeah networking a card. Yeah, go ahead. I'm sorry. My apologies. Oh, yeah, so just building relationships and network. You said networking is hard. So even for you, would you consider yourself an introvert and extrovert? Oh total interval. I don't You're gonna laugh when I say this, but I don't really agree. I don't really like people I don't I don't really like you I am see I told you you were more. Oh, I'm sorry. Am I telling servings expand? Please? Tell us more. I am social for a living. So it's exhausting because we are social for a living. I'm I just I just don't have the patience of the time anymore and plus now that I'm older and I've done this for so long. It's very hard for me to go out there now and be that bubbly, you know, go get them kind of kid that I was 20 years ago when I was starting my business. So yeah, it's tough. It's tough, but it's something that you have to do one of the things that disappoints me. With what I'm with people and I'm eating now who are younger and it's not everybody. I'm not I'm not trying to generalize this statement is that people are not taking time and investing in conversations that could build on future relationships that make sense. They're not taking the time. Basically the people are not taking the time to get to know each other. They're making Assumption of bond, whatever the assumptions are making and then they're moving on instead of trying. Trying to build relationships that could garnish them business and long-lasting friendships in the future. Hmm. So investing in conversations that can build long-lasting relationships right on the phone. We're very dependable now, everything is like very fast and they judge you in a few seconds and they move on thinking that you're there might be of any value to them. But that's that's not a smart way to go. We're in a hurting. Yeah. Yeah. Way too much in a hurry. So Mike top so you have three locate like you've had Studios and Miami and DC and you start York. Is your home base? So when when did you know that it was time to expand? When did you know that? You know you wanted to do multiple locations and how have you managed to keep it all together and stay profitable all these years. Well, I think that it Was I think that I again I let that happen organically as well when my clients were having me go to DC all the time a few years back. Okay, then it's time to start to open up the studio down there or open up a little office that we can use and the same with Boston and now even more so in Miami, I actually have a physical location in Miami. So it's really I've just been following and I've been paying attention to my clients. Needs and following them as they travel around and move around. So why am I going to let a very good client walk away from me just because I'm not interrupted my not in a particular City that they want to do business in well, you know what? I'm going to make sure I don't lose that business by partnering up with either a design studio are opening up my own location there to make that happen so that my clients know that no matter where they are in this country. Re I can be with them. Hmm. So smart, you know, yeah. Hey and how do you you obviously in order to have multiple locations you have to have a solid team behind you. So how do you keep your team? Because we work this is a very challenging job being an event designer or planner is not for the faint. It's not for the faint of heart. Then it takes a special kind of person. But how do you as you manage your business? But also keep your team motivated and you know excited to come to work every day we go to so our challenges. Hmm good question. I think I'm really fortunate because the women that I have around me are exceptional human beings. They're very strong opinionated and full of fun and full of fire. So that's probably why I love you. I'm hired for me to retire a lot longer before you honey. I'm sure but I think that showing them respect and giving them a voice at the table because it's not that it's not just about me. It's about the overall design. I mean I come up with great ideas and and stuff with the ladies. So extrapolate off of what I'm come up with and we all as a group. Collectively come up with a better concept and better idea for our client experience. And I think that they respect the fact that I respect them and that I trust them and and I think because of that and and I always think thank you. It's one of the things that that simple thing this saying thank you at the end of a job goes a long way people want to be at the end of the day respected and and that's I think that it's just that simple and because of that my they've been with me a long time and I'm very very fortunate and I could not do it without my team. Wow. So respect trust in the simple. Thank you. Yeah, wonderful. Wow. So what keeps you motivated still 22 years later what keeps me motivated still. Hmm what keeps me motivated still I mean I still love this job. I still love what we do. I still love creating creating these moments for people to remember, you know, and hopefully they remember them a lifetime. I mean tree, you know, entertaining having creating a level of entertainment because that's what we are. We are entertainers were visual entertainers. We're a part of This much bigger picture of Life Experiences. So I think that knowing that I can create these moments for people that they'll look back years later specially on the wedding side more so than the corporate side that they'll look back and they'll be like, wow. That was the most amazing evening. I can I've ever had are one of the most amazing evenings I had are when you open that photo book or there you go online. Look at those photos from the past from that past event and you smile and you remember how beautiful a big experience it was? That's what keeps me doing what I'm doing. That's huge because again, like you said staying inspired stay inspired in our industry could be tough, especially after 5, 10 15 20 years 22 years. So it's interesting to hear your take on what keeps you motivated still and it's still back to what you meant the court the client right? So your client is your consonants duration. Yeah in a way they are because the one thing about what we do is that what we we have the honor of creating things and what we do is never boring because it's always a challenge like it's like opening up the puzzle and trying to figure out all the pieces, you know, and putting all the pieces together. That's what's exciting about it. I mean, we don't people people have to do this because either whether consciously or subconsciously we we love challenges. Yeah, and it's always something new we learn something new every event. I feel right. That's the other thing after 22 plus years. I still learn and that's what's key. I'm always learning something and I love that amazing. I'm so amazed by you. I think that you're you are one of the most Talented people I've met and the sweetest and the movie Just So humble and so eager to continue to share your experiences and your knowledge and your education. So super impressed and just applaud you for that. So I have some fun questions for you if you if you could have lunch with anyone. Who would it be? Well, I always say would be God. God would be first. Okay, and then I think the second person I would love to have have lunch with is I would love to have lunch with probably Van. Gogh are go gone are are you know a famous artist? I would love to have lunch. Artist harshly because the creative mind is is infinite and its possibilities to come up with new ideas and create because we as human beings as the as being reason why we're first on the food chain sort of speak is because we know how to create and manage and just we just come up with the most amazing freaking things ever. So so God created us all and then like a famous artists like Gauguin or Van Gogh. I do understand there are processes. You know, hmm how their mind works. Yeah. Yeah. That's awesome. How can I listen as find you? You could actually find me on our Instagram page which is more the style Mark our website. Our company website is the style Mark.com. I don't really do Twitter that much so but I'm also on Facebook same the style Mark so through all the style Mark platforms it also actually I'm you'll start being will see us on party slate. I don't know if you guys are at Actually tapping into party slate but party slates a new platform. That's pretty cool. Yeah, I love parties late. I think they're doing amazing things and yeah exactly eons like at a pace like no other and another, you know few years from now and be Beyond but I know I think I think honestly I think party slate is going to be our platform the future. I really do. Awesome, Mark. You are fantastic. Thank you so much for sharing your experience and your expertise with us. Looking forward to bringing you back for another episode and setting so much love from Chicago to NYC. Thank you. It's my pleasure. Thank you so much for inviting me. I love you sweetheart. I truly do and then all and I'm always going to be there for you much. Love to everyone to have a great holiday you too. Happy holiday much love child. If you love today's episode share with your friends and tag me on Instagram Facebook or Twitter at Cash events to learn more about our guests. Check out the show notes from wherever you listening catch you next week.

About Episode 2: In this episode, host Akeshi Akinseye features special guest Marc Wilson, Founder & Creative Director of The Style Marc by MWD Lifestyles. With over 22 years of experience, Marc is known for transforming venues into classically elegant, stylish and unique environments. From destination weddings, corporate events, and more. From destination weddings, corporate events, family celebrations, fashion events, galas, experiential marketing, meetings and consultancy. Marc and his team are producing events at all levels, with recognitions coming from around the world. Marc is a New York City Big Apple Award winner. A member of the International Live Events Association, a Board member of Project Brownstone, a Youth Development Program using Education, art and music to empower Harlem youth and has written for World Bride Magazine. As an internationally recognized, upscale event producer and floral designer, with offices in Miami Florida, and Washington DC. Marc’s work has been published in a variety of media, including: Grace Ormonde Wedding Style, Town & Country, New York Weddings, Brides, New York Times, Essence, The Knot, and more He has designed events for celebrities such as: Jennifer Lopez, Magic Johnson, Gwyneth Paltrow and the list goes on. We discuss how creative entrepreneurs can embrace a sense of community over competition. Marc also shares tips for staying successful in the event design field, keeping your team motivated and more. To learn more about our guest, Marc Wilson, follow him on: Instagram @thestylemarc : https://www.instagram.com/thestylemarc/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/MWDLifestylesinc Website: http://www.thestylemarc.com/  If you loved today's episode, share with your friends and tag me on Instagram, facebook or twitter @keshevents Follow Akeshi on instagram @keshevents If you would like to featured as a guest on the "Let's Talk About It Podcast" or have feedback or questions, send an email to [email protected]

This is impossible and I'm Lauren techno your host and this podcast is all about giving you actionable steps and strategies that you can Implement to make an impact whether it's in your own life or the life of other people and on today's episode. I have a guest with me. His name is Robert sir, and he has a YouTube following of over 450,000 people at this current moment in time. And I must admit I did this podcast episode around a year ago. So this was when I was a much worse interviewer than I am right now actually listening back to it. I finally kind of embarrassing. However, I still want to upload the episode because there's a lot of valuable information here for anybody who may be looking to build a YouTube channel because Rob is extremely well known in the fitness industry for being a YouTuber. He is absolutely mastered building an Engaged audience on social media. So we definitely have things to learn from Him. So in this episode you're going to learn how to start your YouTube channel what you actually need to focus on when it comes to starting your YouTube channel. Why is it a good thing to be impatient and just a bunch of other stuff rubs a great guy. We have a really great conversation pairing from Rob how he started out as an online fitness coach and now he has got to the level of where he is at today. So the transition has been really cool and his story is amazing and since we spoke during this book also just again, like I said around a year ago in 28 18 A lot has changed for him as well. So it's been cool to see his growth even since we filmed this podcast episode. So if this is the first time that you're listening just know that the poor class episodes do normally have much more actionable content that you can Implement immediately rather than it being such a conversation. However, it's nice to mix things up every once in a while and so my strategy with my poor class has changed a little bit since filming this episode, so please bear that in mind and make sure you hit subscribe check out a couple more episodes. If you like Rob are wanting to start your own online fitness coaching business. I do have a free workshop for you that is left Linked In the show notes, or you can just go to online Fitness business school.com / workshop and there you can sign up for the free Workshop that's going to help you build a fitness coaching business because one of my businesses is helping Fitness coaches build an online business because working online is awesome. But anyway, we'll dive into that in the episode today. Make sure you hit subscribe and if you want to share this on social media Dia Robin, I will definitely reply you can tag me at Lauren take Nur you can find Rob a trouble it sir. And with that said everything else is linked in the show notes. Let's get into today's episode and I actually started off by asking Rob why he even started YouTube in the first place and this is what he said and drop a college and I got fired from a couple jobs and side nothing else to do like the only thing that was consistent in my life was going to the gym and I'm a True Believer it is that you can make Career out of anything. So like you really can't like there's like YouTube channels of people opening up boxes of toys. I'm like that's their job. So the world is just gone. It's just crazy world. So I was like hmm. How do I make dough from left and wait, so then I was like, yeah. Yeah. I was like, I've got none to lose. I'll just pick up my iPhone 5 and just start recording. You know what I eat in a day how I train and it kind of went from there. So then a lot of people with messaging be asking for plans and you know programs so sorry to doing them for free just because I had so much spare time and a nothing else to do and then these people would come back to me after like 30 40 days whatever with this like insane before and after and they'd be like, oh thanks for replying you can use this if you want so oftentimes when you're trying to start a business, it's it's really just right in front of you and you're just solving a problem that's presented to you every day. So I was like, oh sweet. I'll just start charging for these plans. I've even got loads of before and after. Your marketing so that was kind of the first entrepreneurial thing I ever did and that's the first thing I did that start making money online and then it went on to YouTube and I grew my following their on Instagram all other platforms start doing brand deals sponsorships. I started doing more public speaking. So again, the first ones I did were free and then you know, no for public speaking event would be well into the thousands for an hour and then so that came after that. Recently, I became a shareholder in rural Jim's Academy and it's a personal trainer Academy that teaches people who come to church. It's like a third party for young qualifying people than I also this year started in advance agency called The Creator agency and that focuses on bringing content creators together to talk about their Journey. So I do some other Investments as well and but that is mainly the gist of things as far as I can think of. I'm also going to happen. Kind of goes back to the fitness Fitness stuff to also just written a book. I'll be in general. Okay, so there's obviously a ton of different things that you do there Rob. Now, this might be a bit overwhelming for some people who are maybe at the beginning who want to start a YouTube channel, maybe they have started but they're struggling to grow it. And obviously they see someone like you who's already built this massive following you have all these different streams of income all these different opportunities coming your way. But I just want to kind of take it back a few years and obviously when you first started there were fewer people doing it. But what do you think were the main things that helped you grow your YouTube channel and this personal brand that you've now built? Yeah, for sure. I think the root. The first thing is I really didn't care like at the beginning. I was like, I know nothing to lose again and no college no job. My parents didn't have a job for me to go into like I literally just like I was just sitting on my ass all day playing fucking Xbox. I realized curse on this podcast. Yeah, yeah, I'll keep to a minimum but so I've known glue so I really didn't care as I was just uploading loads, you know being myself and I wasn't like just obsess over like the number of views. I was getting her the number of subscribers and so many people compare their chapter one to someone else's chapter 10, but thankfully I didn't do that. I was just like yo, it's just me having fun with it and people can see for Content or if they see you're actually enjoying making content. So if you go into it, It with the whole thought of I want your money. I want to get sponsorships. I want to get a million Subs. That's awful calm but used to start why you should do it. You know, you do Prezi actually like doing it and you like putting a contact like helping people acid on it. That is probably my biggest tip is to literally and joyous War but I love that so much because it kind of I guess it's tricks it back and it's not focusing on it as you're doing it for the right reasons you're doing it because you want to share your message you feel like you want to help people I think. the note through your content because I've obviously haven't subscribe to our YouTube channel for years and something to note is that you can really tell through your content that you are just truly being yourself and also that you're genuinely wanting to help people so I think that this is another point because maybe if some people haven't yet watched any of your YouTube videos and after this they listen to this book I say she definitely go check them out because I guess something that they will see through your videos is that you're actually adding value to people's lives so I guess let's just Cezanne was to start a YouTube channel today now if you were you've said you know be yourself and just don't really care about the numbers and stuff if that yeah yeah any other kind of practical tips that you would be giving them yeah well so like like we said I would providing value okay everything should really be mutually beneficial okay so people are watching let's say you've got a 10-minute video people aren't giving you ten minutes of their Life, okay, they're giving that to you. So you better provide them with something decent. Okay. So after those 10 minutes, they're like awesome. That was that was funny that was entertaining that was informative that was motivating, you know anything. So that's it's a fair trade-off, you know hosking mutually beneficial. Yeah. It's like God should be going Ram live leaching or asking for handouts. You're everything has to be mutually beneficial and so if you provide Not value if you provide that content, well, then that's going to you know in turn help you and people are always like oh Rob you're so generous. You're so caring you're putting at all this free content and you're helping people you're doing meet ups, you know, you're going to meet in everyone for free. You're so generous and I'm like, well, no, actually it's quite you can look at it as quite as settled for Jaques because that's what's going to help me. You don't mean it's like by me helping everyone else that helps me. Jonah mean so it's like, you know, like again it comes back to mutually beneficial things. So if you want to get ahead don't be looking at it as if for you to win everyone else to lose, you know, like, you know, you could always play room for top. So oftentimes if you have Evan range you you're going to win. Yeah, it's not whole point. I guess I'm giving before you get and just providing all this free value value value and then you're able to eventually it will come back around and help you out and it will maybe you'll be able to speak it cool. Places you'll be able to sell products should be able to earn a living from it. But I guess it just brings it back down to that point. I guess when you first started you never intended for it to be your whole entire life. Oh, yeah, my first like basically the first year of me like starting out on social media. I'd like didn't sell anything like nothing. I didn't sell my first I didn't sound my first plan until about a year and didn't do any brand deals. Nothing. I was Larry's like providing content for like a good year and you know people people get a backwards like straight away. They want like the sponsorship straight away. They come out with you know program or something like that, you know just straight away into a but they haven't built a foundation or they haven't built a Community First exactly. That's what it's all about. And you definitely but a really solid community of people who want to laugh they'll likely she say to you, you know, Rob when did you plan coming up? When can I buy a new t-shirts? Because they want it so much from you because you built this and loyal tried and these loyal followers who were literally, you know, there are asking for it now, so I guess it's I suppose. Brings me on to kind of the point of you obviously work with several different brands, but you then also have your own businesses. Now if someone was like to first get started maybe they've already built up a solid following and they've got all these companies coming to it to them. And you know for anybody who's listening to this right now, maybe you don't yet this have these companies coming to you but when you start hitting a certain lot of followers subscribers, yes, they might start coming to you. So what would your advice be to these people who are looking to grow or they have already built this following these brands? Coming to them but they perhaps want to build their own products and stuff. What would you kind of advise? You know, how would you way up doing your own thing versus being an affiliate or something for another brand? Yeah. I saw I think it's actually great to like, you know start off and get get to know the waters by working with other brands. But and really there's kind of nothing more profitable or nothing more kind of direct than starting your own thing. You know, that that's obviously is direct. You know, you more Me in the back whereas you might be getting 20% if you're promoting other clothes or so funds. Yeah. We'll see for you. You've been like face of my protein for a long time, but you've been at the very Forefront of that and so I suppose that's been like a super beneficial thing for you. But I guess for some people who maybe are just being like an affiliate Ambassador and not necessarily going to be earning a good solid income from it or getting too much of it. Whereas they might be better off. I don't know focusing their efforts on their own personal brand. Yes for sure. So, Laundry service social media prostitution like you go on to some for sure. Yeah. I'm just like so you go on to some people's and bronze or some peoples pages and it's all espie. Espie. Espie sponsored posts are by this by that by that there's no death there and you're actually you're not you're paying the short game. Okay. It's like you're making a quick. Yeah, you make a quick bulk, but you're not building a good engagement. You're not building a good following and like your followers. I won't grow your engagement will not go off because it's just literally like an eye that's just come see an ox and all literally turned an bronze like brown be like yo, we give you a couple thousand for a post some story on. Can you do it on May the 20th? Like oh, no, I actually can't because I've got a I've got to do post on May 18th and another one on May 22nd, and I don't want it to filter it out. So it's like you're gonna have to beat it's hard to turn. I am but you gotta understand that you're playing the long game and got it'll provide that long-term sustainability. And there be more bronze, you know, it'll come back as so, you know, don't don't rack your own feet half and just constantly constantly as social media prostitution. Yeah. I love that was the like regular infeed. I mean, I think sometimes yeah, I guess you can kind of you see some pages and they are like she just an extension over someone else's business rather than being that own personal brand and so and again when it Comes to like building this YouTube following their social media following that you've built this personal brand that you've built really is just again brings brings me back to this like point of just being truly authentically yourself and doing what feels good to you. So obviously we speaking about this now, I'd love to also speak about I suppose the businesses that you've built how that's been any struggles that you've had and just because you I guess you're obviously a personal brand like we said a solopreneur so what has been like Ask some of the biggest successes that you've had and also some of the biggest struggles. Yeah for sure. I have so the tree kind of Maine businesses that I own is obviously Rob lipsett.com and that's going to rob lift it as a brand. So that's the speaking engagements. That's the online coaching the ah, the book at the ebooks and I guess my YouTube channel as well. So that's that's kind of like a sole Trader sort of thing. And then we have am the Creator agency, which was his she's a limited gone, but me And then the also hymns and so going through them. The first one is kind of like the core of things like mice my personal brand that's kind of where everything stems from and that was the first thing I ever did and it was not that like it was hard to set up but it just takes a lot of years of graphs to establish your name as a bronze. Yeah, you see me now, but they don't they don't go back to my first ever videos in 2014 and they see me in the in the in the Hotel in the DMV record videos on the iPhone 5 you'll have the iPhone 10 now knows it's shoots in 4k be blasting me like what camera do you use like doctors and cost for you to have this video before I'm just like you got it better than me like it's crazy. So like, you know, it takes many years to build that up. So I know I wouldn't even say it was a stronger because I enjoyed it so much and you have again Did you ever get like criticism from people around you or like people around you were confused about what you're doing your family. Yeah. Well, I'd yeah, like my mom was like when I like, you know started doing this she was like what the hell she's like how you train and people through a computer screen trust me. It's legit like you're making a living from this. Or my bank attacks and just be like, look I'm completely independent now so that like catch you later pretty much but she was honestly like he's from a different generation. So it was hard for her to understand online business. But now she kind of gets it quite well. I'm also bringing my family to have a in two weeks. So you understand that now, yeah, I got a second I spill in Santa Monica. Yeah, that's so bad. Yeah keeping up with the lifts. Its It's going to be some funny blogs really good point because I think the fact is a lot of times if you're trying to do something online. Maybe you're trying to grow YouTube or something. Your parents won't get it. Like I remember when I first started I didn't even tell my parents and I showed them one of my videos and they were like what the hell is this and similar to you? Like my dad's now super supportive of the whole thing, but I think it is just the sight of like people are gonna be confused about it, right? They're gonna like what the hell are you doing? Because it's something that's different to everyone else. You know, you obviously dropped out of college. You didn't go down the whole corporate world. I know you had a corporate job at one period of time that one says yeah, and so did I and I mean that's what people expect from you and that's what's just a normal thing to do. But then you in my eyes are kind of sometimes have to go against the grain in order to really establish yourself in the world. So I guess to you like, you know, you obviously Brave and doing that so that was your personal brand now, how about some struggles in your other online businesses? Yeah, so So and the answer the next one is the raw Jim staying so being very very lucky with that. And that was basically the first proper Jim I ever joined in my life and the owner of the gym John. He's been I would describe him as a mentor for me as well. And so I'm just very lucky that he was able to take me on and that we know work very closely together to have two gyms to be able to use for seminars meetups at you know, and the academy, you know, there are two massive James. Oh and also, Video recording as well. Hey Dieter, James rotten like, you know, they it's crazy that I've just got those two facilities on blessed for that and a lot more to come there. And then under the third one is to create our agency, you know, this was bit of a challenge and okay. I'll tell you a funny story. I don't really put this out online too much quite as quite controversial. I've actually I've actually never never spoke with us on briefly. So I announced that I be doing an event at the greater agency event where I bring content creators together be it. You know MMA coach has the economy Gregor's coach on own Rowdy, you know YouTubers like Christian gozman, you know myself whoever okay, and another really big events company and Dublin try to take the idea and try to have the event on before my scheduled event. I was in shock like I was like, The exact same concept and everything and like a date watch my YouTube video and aren't just loads of stuff. Okay, so I was like you are playing that game. All right. I'm I'm changing the date. I had to get my whole event sorted in two weeks time. So put sell all the tickets get a venue. Let's get all the speakers together clonic the schedule get sponsorships. Yeah everyone get food for everyone. Okay, and I did. That in two weeks and event was fucking sellout of than very profitable smashed it. So that was one of the biggest am I don't hate I don't like the word struggle. It's like you act like everything comes easy because there's there's more chance. If you tell Susie, if you're like tell yourself something is going to be like a stroller or difficult or if you tell yourself yo, I got this. What do you think you're gonna better success with? No, I agree is like the whole thing is like you never lose you learn and every single ever. Your struggle is is going to teach you something right? It's going to make you stronger and it's going to make you better for the next time that a situation like that comes around. That's absolutely insane that I have. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it was crazy. Yeah, like trust know and I think that's a really good point though because I think it you know in business it is a dog-eat-dog world. And yeah this season yeah, they tried to literally take your entire business down, which is freaking insane. That's around what I won't go to Injured but yeah, yeah, we got it. We got it sorted Aid and that that's really taught me how to work Under Pressure Works fast. And that's one thing and welcome say to me. They're like Rob you're very impatient and you probably hear like Gary Vee saying like patience is everything and all I'm actually Mission as although a robot. I think it's good. I think it's good. I think nowadays patients kills people like yes, okay certain things. You need to be patient for obviously, okay. Yeah, making games obviously patients is great and some aspects but I think sometimes people use it as an excuse to not execute and to not work fast. So I'm very impatient when it comes to some things and I think it's great like I get things done quick, I guess so I got this vibe from you like your quest you're quite spontaneous like you're wearing a dive or into things because this is really interesting to me because I'm the exact same and I mean very few people who are like this. I feel like in business. A lot of people they come across as spontaneous and they come across as like super energetic but they are actually very calculated behind the scene and I think like yes, there's a time and place for all these calculated. You know, things are like exact planning. I think at the same time, you know, if you want to and I know people who literally plan out all of that Instagram stories perfectly like all of that post perfectly probably like I know for sure that I'm the type of person like one time if I'm just randomly doing something and I see something cool. I'll just like make a random tasks in storage. Like my audience would love that. Yeah, how about you? It's like yeah. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. It's like 20. It's like 24 hours like have fun with it. Like I put up a thing of my story last night about poverty sodas. And like I literally just took a picture of my fridge and I wrote a big story on it and again didn't look as static. It didn't look, you know Artie. I was like a picture of 30s and cans of cola and I just walk right who like it's a private joke with my subscribers on how I used to drink that at the very beginning and had the Barbary soda and like I still drink it was like No One's Gonna Get this joke, but like everyone replied being like Oh my God. Yes. And so that type of stuff is going to build up your your community. It's just yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm like another one is like you obviously every boat know, you know, Grace fit UK like she took pictures of like her neck and like her Basil's most dope. I like it, too. Areas, like she just post whatever she wants on her stories on the edges makes a very likable. Yeah. So I think people who have a bit more fun with their social media and relax, but it cheapest and it's like, you know, the people that have like a theme on their Instagram, it's not like, you know, all right Sergeant Drake it says the connections unstable. Hello. Okay, I'm not. Okay. Can you hear me? Yeah and never call so okay right incorrectly little bit so, you know No, there's people that have like a theme on their Instagram that stresses me out so much. It looks like it's not even gonna help your following grow. Like this is such a good point. I think people focus on that so much and they put yeah, that's such a good point when it comes to Growing your social media. Like seriously. I don't think that that is important at all. Oh no, no like the photos that I post of like me and the club with Christian and Max on a blurry phone just chaos go. Rhinos got so gets a judgment like scares me when I do like a professional athlete photo that that doesn't get as much engagement. So like a true man. I'm my face was like the opposite of the beam. Yeah. Yeah. I like to make it look nice. But I'll I do Post every single day on Instagram. I haven't messed up for three years. Yeah, so I couldn't do theme like I just post whatever I'm doing that day. But yeah, yeah. Yeah. I know I said I could not relate more. I also think just the quick little side note is like the at the same time your posts are still high quality like and that's a really good really good thing that's going to help set you up on Instagram for sure. So now just back a little bit to you mentioned your photos with Christian and math obviously do really well and I think obviously Rob you've created a really strong network of relationships with people who are also doing the same thing to you. Now, how do you think that's benefited you and your audience? And just your overall personal brand and business. So you've probably heard it a million times, but it's a true shit ever. Honestly is Serenity. So I feel almost cliche saying it surround yourself with the right people. You know, it's like your network is your net worth. So it was a bit of a big bang same thing. Right? Same thing. Okay, you are who you surround yourself with and the reason you've heard that a hundred times is because it's true, so it's got its eye. Like it's it's actually scary. But how true it is like so if you're if you're strange table with a bike ride like you need to sort that out immediately. You need to get your shit and go and meet today you need to cut those toxic people ever. No, I'm serious. Like just just go off and do some see something else Nick go to a party and find new people. I don't know. Okay, but I always have it's so important and being with them like Christian Max like, For example, they're not only like some of my closest friends now Best Friends Day. They gave me so much advice. They give me so much advice and they motivate me a lot as well. So like the past like month. I was being a little bit unmotivated to not Vlog were more so Edis to be honest. So I've only done a very few YouTube videos this month because I was focusing on finishing my app and writing my book and I saw a kind of got out of the habit of like, you know, No, editing and and like uploading and stuff and then I was in like body power over the weekend and like Christian. It was obviously just killing it in every way was like, oh sorry, yo, I gotta go edit and like someone who's made it this far is still just going off and editing for your own errors. That's how important YouTube is to people like us so I was like that motivated me a lot. I'm like, he's probably got more stuff going on the me, but he's still making more time just go off and added a video. So that was some real you. Motivation for me and again just spending time with other people like that you get in the gym and business and life and anything. It's just it's just amazing. She's a godsend. It's funny because it's like, I'm Irish. I'm from Dublin. I live in Dublin. My best friends are from like Amsterdam, Virginia taxes and Manchester. Yeah, that's how that's how much of an emphasis I placed on finding the right people I hang out with you. You have to go to different continents. Yeah. Yeah all around the world. They can't yeah, this is the craziest thing and this is how powerful social media is and I think you know surrounding yourself with the right people doesn't even have to necessarily you don't even have to start with hanging around and you can literally start by doing what the listeners are doing right now listening to podcasts watching YouTubers who you relate to and all that other stuff because then you're still gathering information from them. You still feel like you can truly connect to them and in the future, you know, it's crazy because By talking a little bit. Obviously, we you and I became friends, I guess through social media, but it's not that because I was actually following you, right? So anyone who follows someone you can become friends with people and I think this is another really important thing to know is like I think a lot of times people will put someone that you on a pedestal because I'll see you on social media or they might we mentioned earlier like Christian Guzmán. They might see Christian and be like cushion. Is this Gordon? I can never relate to him because he's a totally different type of person but then when you actually break it down, Bring it back to reality and you just realized these people just totally normal people. That's exactly what it is. And this this is just the fact of the matter is if you're someone who's listening to this right now you put in the work you want it bad enough. You want to help people you want to give give give before you get and put in the work you can get exactly where all these other for sure. Like I used to cue up in line to meet Christian and take a selfie with him. Yeah that was sleep on his couch and Raiders liquor cabinet. Absolutely insane and that's not motivation for anybody right now than I do not know what it is. Yeah, and an another one is, you know been Keeley obviously cam. So Ben was a big like he told me himself. He was like a fanboy subscriber off me. He'd come to all my meetups and then one day he asked like can you make a video for me? So again providing value? So I was like sure man, let's do it and he made a really bad video for me now. Like damn this sucks. He was like, okay. Okay, give me a couple days and he came back we did another video and he like smashed it. And so I worked with him for so long to the point where now he's in a contract with Red Bull you get to travel all over the world making videos for them as so start off as just going to my meetups put himself in the right position. And now he's would when the biggest companies on the planet like just living the dream he's so young dropped out of college and he's like training a or something. Like he's like my little grow like seriously, you know and that's just another example of putting yourself in the in the right place with the right people lazy to do it. I think it's unachievable. They think oh, I'm not special. I'm not good enough. But yes, you are. The only difference between these people and you is that they're taking action that putting themselves out there and they're taking these things that could be seen as risk. So Rob this has been an absolutely awesome forecast now. I just wanted to end this first New one question because this is of course the millennial Apple cost. So I'd love to hear about what it means to you to be a millennial. Right now, I'm pretty sure that means I was born in a certain year bracket. I'm that's the definition of it. Well to be honest. I I'm just beyond grateful to be born in that in this in this period of time in the universe because there's never ever been a time where we've just had more opportunity. And if you want your mind blown, okay, the internet is like 20 something years old right, do you? Reverse is freaking guys ins Millions years old. Okay. Smartphones are about 10 years old. Okay, you are like literally living in it's like it's like we've all won the lotto like it's just mind-blowing. It's just like I can't even be put it into words like the fact that you got interact to even listen to his podcast means you're insanely lucky as well. So don't waste this opportunity. It would be it would be loot or dust of daysius the audacity to waste this opportunity. I can't even put into words. So what does it mean for me to be a millennial and means is pretty damn good. I love about that is so true about like yeah. There's you how fortunate we are to be in this and it blows my mind as well. Like seriously. We die Goering we're so much open so many opportunities and just in are things that some people just aren't making the most of it. So if you do, Things that I just make the frigging most of your life and just do something that's going to be using the end of that. Yeah go on into that but like literally just like, you know, have fun do something that you enjoy doing a because a life the older yet as well as the years go faster. Like it's absolutely insane. Why on the less able you are to just make these crazy leaps, right? Yeah. That's that's another reason why I just bought that car is like I'm not getting any younger. I'm like his freaking like I'm I'm surprised him. 26 and on this like beautiful sports car. I'm just like it's just a lot cool. I look back and NADA instead of being like Oh, I'm 40 and I finally bought my dream car, you know, so it's like, you know that you'll never get this day again. So yeah never like it's your last amazing Rob sir. I'm going to leave the links are all over all this information in the show notes for this podcast, but he's literally just rub licks it all over pretty much every social media platform. I guess I'm easy to find. All right. Thank you so much for coming on today. It's been great. Thank you so much for having me on I really appreciate it. So that was my interview with Rob lips are I hope you enjoyed it and I did film it when the name of the book last was still cool Millennia Le so if you haven't already listen to episode number one of this part cause the mean episode where I go into my own personal story and where I tell you a bit more about this book last then you may be a little bit confused about what on Earth I'm talking about. So go ahead scroll way back and go listen to that episode because I know you're going to enjoy it. So with that said, What I like to do after every single episode that I record when it is an interview. I like to just reflect upon the conversation and I really really get along with Rob. I think he's a great guy. He is absolutely hilarious. And honestly, I think that's one of the reasons why he has been so successful on YouTube because he is literally just himself and I think that people come into a lot of problems when they try to be somebody that not so if you're listening to this right now and you're someone who is trying to build your personal brand, And you're trying to develop an audience. You're trying to get people to follow you, but you're not really having much luck. Maybe it's because you're trying to be somebody you're not maybe you're looking at all these influences are doing and you're trying to replicate what they're doing, but it's not working for you because it's not you being your true authentic self. Now, I know that is such an incredibly cliche saying but it is really really true. I think that cliches are often cliche. Because you know that said so much and there's a reason why they are set so much because they are actual facts. So with that said, I think it's really important that you just remain authentic. You are yourself you engage with your audience and that you do it for the right reasons because if you get into this and do it just for money, then you're not going to be successful if you want to do something just for money, then you're probably getting into entrepreneurship for the very wrong. Reason that's why this place is called inbox school because it is all about impacting people's lives and you can do that through your content. Okay, but he's built such a loyal YouTube following and it's all because he has added value to his target audience and he just focus on giving give give give give give and then as time goes on people will want to buy from you. You won't even have to ask you and have to do anything shady people will come to you now. Here's the thing. When you don't have a massive massive following of course sales and marketing techniques are going to be helpful for you. That's why I also talked about them on this podcast. So here's subscribe if you haven't done already, but I think it's super important just to remember that it's just all about being yourself. It's all about being authentic and it's all about leading with value. So I don't have too much else to add on the back of this book last episode. I do have a YouTube channel, which obviously are you sure I do have a A YouTube video all about how to get more views on your YouTube. So I'm going to leave a link to that in the show notes as well. Because if you're someone who's wanting to start your YouTube channel, then I would definitely go and watch that video. It is going to give you so much help. It gives you the Tactical side of things like how to create good thumbnails and also how to create your title so that people are going to find them and what not to do instead of starting with rugged because everyone wants to start with looking these days so that YouTube video will be helpful for you. And again just yeah go consume that My YouTube channel subscribe on here. And please just tell one person about this book cause this is free content that I'm putting up when our around 37 minutes in so that's open a lot of time. So, yeah, if you could just share it with one person who's winning who's maybe a fan of Rose who's wanting to go to YouTube channel share this with them tell them about my YouTube video all about how to get more views. And with that said, I'll see you in the next episode of impact school and I remember the we are uploading twice per week on a Monday. That's when the interview guest episode goes up. Like this one with rub and then also on every Wednesday as well with some awesome guests lined up such as highly Summers who you may know of she's Christian Guzman's girlfriend, and yeah, that's cool stuff coming. So I'll see you in the next episode. Bye.

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Fantasy industry vets Joe Dolan and Tom Brawley are bringing it all season long on the fantasy free agents podcast unrestricted, unaffiliated unparalleled fantasy football analysis. We're back for our second edition of our draft plan podcast this week here on the fantasy free agents podcast. We kicked it off on Tuesday the 13th with our running back draft plan and Tom. I've been looking at the numbers. I don't want to get into specifics because that bores people but in our first day, I think that was our most listen to podcast. I mean that's only been out for not even 24 hours yet. And I think that that set a record for our most listen to podcast over the first 24 hours, so I guess somehow we're keeping the people engaged here. I'm thrilled about it. But but we got to keep going Tom. We got to get the wide receivers done. And then later in the week. We'll do the quarterbacks and the tight ends in the same episode. But today we're attacking the wide receiver draft plan. Yeah, you know it this is draft time. We had a couple friends even texting us last night asking about their teams and what they should do. So, yeah, it's really starting to heat up. This is the week where you know the middle of August here everything starts to heat up. Here and people will start doing dressed. So yeah, we're gonna lay out our plans here the next couple days. Hopefully help you out before you draft here. So just to reiterate if you didn't listen to the running back draft plan, by the way go back and listen to that because that's kind of where everything starts but we plan on having all four all four positions all four main positions covered in our draft plan by Friday afternoon early afternoon, and we're also going to that day update all of our cheat sheets up at Fantasy. Agents.com, so we're going to have everything you need for you to be prepared for your draft this weekend, and we're excited to get that to you Tom. Unfortunately. We do have to kick off our show with another piece of news. I was hoping we wouldn't have to do that today. I was hoping we would be able to get right into the wide receiver draft plan, but just like on yesterday's program when we had to talk about a Antonio Brown today. We have to talk about Andrew Luck according to General Manager Chris Ballard Andrew Luck's offseason. Season calf injury has essentially progressed into a high ankle injury and they believe now that they know the source of the pain and Ballard was saying that one of the things that was holding them back and was holding luck back was the fact that they didn't know the source of the pain. It's hard to treat it. If you don't know the source of the pain well now they're saying they know that Source. I know Jim irsay mentioned something about a little bone. It's like a Latin name. I'm not even going to try to pronounce. But reportedly Tom that was a red herring or a false or or kind of a kind of a it was a red herring it was something that they just didn't need to treat. It wasn't the cause of the injury and apparently they were focusing on this and that's when this high ankle injury progressed now, apparently Andrew Luck's been calling this an ankle injury for two weeks because that's where the pain has been. I don't know. What the hell's going on here Chris Ballard would Not confirm Andrew Luck will be ready for Week 1 Tom. I had to we had him at 3:00. We started this off season with Andrew luck it to at quarterback. Then I kind of bump them down just one spot to three behind DeShaun Watson because I'm like, you know, what? Why would you take Andrew Luck if this question exists and now Tom I moved him down to six at quarterback. I moved him behind not just to Sean Watson, but also Baker Mayfield Aaron Rodgers and Carson Wentz. I don't know how you could take Andrew luck with a premium. Pick at this point given the depth of the quarterback position. Now, there's going to be a point where he's going to be very appealing to you when your drafts but you just have to understand there's a big risk to drafting him at this point. Yeah, we'll get into our QB draft plans on Friday, but the the depth of the position, I mean, it's all time highs just how many guys that are viable at the position and you know, there's I just don't see a reason to take a risk on a guy that we you know, this is could be a potentially lingering issue throughout the season. Could you know hurt his his play? I mean the good news is I guess he has been resting since the start of Camp. I mean he tried to practice on it a little bit but he has been resting since then but there's a chance that this could leak into the start of the season. I know I saw most of the sports books have already taken the Colts down, you know their lines from week one and you know, they're kind of just And you know just hanging out right now. They're waiting to see more information just like everybody else and we also have to consider just the track record of the Colts and Andrew Luck and Reporting his injuries. I mean, they you know, they let everybody on in 2017 and even 16, you know, it's not that bad as shoulders not that bad and you know turns out he has to sit out the entire season so they don't get the benefit of the doubt with anything that's going on medically with Andrew Luck. So there are very, you know, this is very murky territory right now and I would not be spending a pick on him. I wouldn't be doing it anyway because there's so many premium quarterbacks later in drafts, but I definitely would not be doing it now with his his health certainly up in the air right now. Well, this is just like we talked about with Melvin Gordon, right? We have Melvin Gordon at 14 at running back right now. And if he reports it's going to look too low and if he and if he doesn't report it's going to look too high you just you have to Cut it down the middle somewhere. And that's where we're at with luck Tom and I reserve full right to move him up and down very rapidly based on the news that comes out Tom if we're doing this at what 10:30 a.m. On Eastern time today, if news comes out in an hour before this podcast is even released that Andrew Luck is back in practicing. I'm going to move him up again. I know it's just one of those things you have to be fluid, but for right now, there's no way I'm taking him before Baker Mayfield sure as hell. No way. I'm taking it. Before DeShaun Watson and some of those other names that I mentioned. So it's just one of those situations where we just have to keep monitoring it now Tom, we will get into T Y Hilton because we're talking wide receivers today and I want to know what you're going to do with Ty Hilton given the luck news, but we also got a little bit of a news here this morning Kenyan Drake of the Miami Dolphins is not practicing. He has been spotted in a walking boot now walking boot can mean anything it could mean he hurt his toe it can mean he got a bad pedicure. In training camp they're going to put you in a walking boot if anything hurts down there, but just another reason Tom that I'm not in on Kenyan Drake here. I know he looked okay in the first preseason game, but he's always looked. Okay. There's just something that doesn't click that makes him fantasy valuable. And that's the thing that stinks with Kenyan Drake. Yeah. We went over our dropped plans yesterday and neither of us are drafted him at this point not going to change now if he's dealing with a foot assure issue or an ankle injury, you know, blah. Lodge has still been a pretty good value at this price. It is going up right now, but he's still going, you know, it's you know, he's available 9th 10th 11th rounds and a lot of legs. So he's been the better value. Yeah. I'm looking at the ATP from NFC and he's still 42nd at running back hundred eighteen over also, you know, the his price is only going to continue to go up here over the next couple weeks and this injury, you know just makes it even more. A cure for Kenyan Drake right now. So, you know, maybe he starts to become a value if he starts to slip into the you know, 7th or 8th round. Maybe then I'll consider them but right now his price has just been too high right now. What's up listeners? This has been kookiness producer of the fantasy free agents podcast on anchor FM podcasting. 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So go download the anchor app or go to Anchor dot f m-- to get started today and thanks for listening to the fantasy free agents podcast unrestricted, unaffiliated unparalleled analysis for your fantasy football and bedding needs. Thomas get into the second most important position in fantasy football well and I'm calling it that time simply because most rosters are made up of Rome mostly running backs and wide receivers and on some teams. Tom many would argue that the wide receiver is the most important position and you can certainly build a team that's very strong at wide receiver and intentionally weaker at running back and build the championship team. So let's get into this wide receiver position. Position for the draft plan Tom just on a general level. How do you attack the wide receiver position heading into your draft, you know, we kind of touched on a little bit last yesterday in the last podcast, but you know, I'm pretty aggressive with, you know draft and receivers. I like to get I'd like to usually get a one running back one receiver if I can, you know, sometimes if I'm drafting at the back end of the first round, you know if I can get like a Michael Thomas and Odell Beckham, I'll go receiver receiver early and You know go after running backs in the third and fourth rounds, but I do like to stack up at least three receivers in the first six or seven rounds here, you know, most of my legs that I'm in, you know most, you know, best of all legs and stuff that you know, you're starting three receivers. So it's important to get least one of the big you know, you know, one of the top 10 to 15 receivers on your team, I think so for the purposes of this exercise the draft plan exercise. We're going to presume. We're in a 12 team. Egg that starts three wide receivers. Now if you have two receivers in a flex or two receivers and to flexes Tom you and I are in an auction League together where we have two receivers and to flexes so you can build your team a lot of ways, but let's just for the purpose of this exercise. We're going to focus like this is a 12 team league with three starting wide receivers, which means you can probably start up to four with your flex, but that's just the purpose of this exercise. Tom wide receivers are going off the board a little bit slower than running backs in the first round so far. I think ATP data and we're looking at nff see a teepee data over the last week. We have four wide receivers solidly in the first round and I think there's eight running backs now over the last week and Travis Kelce sometimes in there as well going in the first round those receivers or DeAndre Hopkins Davante Adams, Michael Thomas and Julio Jones. Tom to draft DeAndre Hopkins in the first round I'm going to say usually that's going to be in the fifth sixth seventh range and it's simply a personal preference. It's when you don't feel that the running back on the board outweighs the value of a DeAndre Hopkins or in our case Tom because we have Davante Adams number one a Davante Adams. That's it. Just depends on your personal feeling you might think Tom that you would take these guys before David Johnson others might think you know what I take David Johnson and Le'Veon Bell before I took a wide receiver but most of the time the first wide receiver comes off the board around the sixth or seventh pick. Yeah. I have seen them in the fifth pick, you know, I've seen some Hopkins there, but for me, I like to start considering them in the sixth and seventh pick. So I do have Adam slightly ahead of Hopkins, but they're both premium options here. I have Bell eighth overall after the top two receivers here. So, you know, I'd like some combination of Hopkin Adams and In that sixth and seventh spot, but you know, there's you can make a case for for some of these other guys like Michael Thomas and holy O Jones and Odell Beckham, but I think these two of a kind of distance them, you know, there's a little bit of a gap between the these top two guys in the in the second tier. So the next four guys coming off the board are very very close in ATP Michael Thomas Julio Jones Odell Beckham and JuJu Smith Schuster now I commented on On SiriusXM this past weekend. I kind of have those four guys. Tom essentially tied at number three receiver on my board let you and I I'm not going to argue with you if you tell me. Hey, I like Michael Thomas More Than Odell Beckham. I'm not going to argue with you. If you tell me I like Juju more than I like Julio Jones. It's just these guys are so close together that it's just splitting hairs to me at this point. So what if you want to go for the ceiling of Odell Beckham over the floor of Michael Thomas? If you want to go for the Youth of JuJu over the over the veteran authority of Julio Jones, I'm not gonna argue with you. It's just these guys are essentially tied for third for me and it's splitting hairs on what you want. Maybe you bump up Thomas and JuJu in PPR maybe in non PPR Julio and Odell Beckham get a little bit of a boost for you. I don't care what it is. But these four guys Tom are so close together that I think starting wide receiver wide receiver on the on the one to turn if you pick towards the back end of the first round. I actually tend to think that's a really appealing strategy this year. Yeah. I think you could even throw Tyree kill it, you know at the bottom of this group as well. You know, they all kind of depends on what you're looking for. If you're looking for consistency, you know week in week out you maybe go with Thomas and whole the oh Jones if you're looking for maybe, you know shooting for the moon looking for, you know to grab that potential wide receiver one you go after Odell or Juju or Tyreke, you know, the guys that Of you know, the big week-to-week like huge potential each week. So it's all personal preference. I'm with you though. I mean, maybe you want to go a little, you know, go with the consistency of the the Thomas and Jones and then grab one of these high upside receivers. If you're picking at the end of the first round, yeah, then maybe you'll like you said maybe you pair a floor guy with a ceiling guy and that's that's really doing a disservice to call Michael Thomas a fire guy because he has a massive ceiling as well. But I'm just I'm just trying to do. Differentiate them from Odell Beckham because I think it's more likely Odell Beckham has a 1 or 0 catch game than Michael Thomas. Yeah. That's what that's what I'm saying. Y'all. These guys are pretty high floored types. But you know Thomas and Jones, I mean those guys floors or you know, yeah a little higher higher than just about anybody's outside of Hopkins and Adams. I mean and they also have huge weekly potential as well. But I think Odell Juju and tyriq have that, you know a little bit more juice to potentially be the Super ones this year. Are you worried at all about Tyree kills off-field issues Tom because I after what happened with cream hunt. I mean, you can't say this thing's over can you know in this guy's obviously a knucklehead to I mean, he could all be putting it that's putting it. Yeah. I'm late. Yeah, I mean he could do just about anything. So he is a little bit of a Loose Cannon and you know anything could come out here. I mean just you know, what that the way Society runs here. Maybe we could have a TMZ report on the eve of Of you know their first game or something, you know, you never know what this kind of stuff. So that's why he's kind of at that bottom of that end of that tear. So I really think Tom and this is one of the reasons that I like picking almost in the back half of the first round this year is I do think the wide receiver position kind of thins out after that Tyreke it I think it's very fair to throw my Kevin's into there. I think Bruce Arians is going to be a really positive influence on the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and Evans is almost universally the eighth wide receiver off the board, but I'm looking at the 8th. P there is a there's a basically a five pick difference between Tyree kill and Mike Evans and then there's a for pick difference between Mike Evans and Antonio Brown. So by ATP over the last week Evans is kind of in a tear of his own and if you draft a running back say your say you have one of those top four picks that we talked about on the running back draft plan and you take one of the big four at the running back spot. The guy you are praying for in the second round in my opinion is Mike Evans. Yeah. He's a he's a great option to get towards the back. End and you know, maybe if you get you know, the one of those top five running backs, you know, nice guy to pair them with their you know, he's firmly ahead of antoniou brown. Now what you know all the the drama circling him and you know, he's kind of like almost in a tier by himself now, I think he's just kind of floating out there, you know available in the middle second to end of the second round right now. So let's get into the guys who are kind of end of second beginning of third rounders. And this is where we start to get guys Tom. You have a few more Questions about them Antonio Brown we could do three our podcast on the questions about him. Hey, we got into it a little bit yesterday. We know the risk there and nothing new really came out of the Hard Knocks episode last night. No, you haven't caught up but nothing earth-shattering out of that. Yeah, I'm gonna watch it today. My wife went to bed last night. She loves actually there's actually a little disappointing. I was expecting a little more fireworks, but it was more subdued than I was thinking. Well, maybe the fireworks will happen next week because the Antonio reported. Yes. Yesterday, so maybe maybe we'll get the fireworks next week. But we have Antonio Brown. I mean we talked about it on yesterday's podcast. You know, what the risk is maybe you're a no-risk it no biscuit type of guy like Bruce Arians. Maybe you draft Antonio Brown and say I'm going to ride and die with him and with my Christian McCaffrey pick at the top of the first round, that's fine. Then there's Keenan Allen. We know the issue with Keenan Allen great receiver. The Chargers just didn't run a ton of plays last year time though. That was a big issue for them. Now a guy. I have a ton of T Y Hilton Andrew Luck's hurt. Yeah, I'm just about to ask you. What do we do with this group now - yeah, I'm kind of thinking about moving Keenan Allen above both Hilton and brown just because of the hair just because the question marks here with both of those guys. It doesn't affect Hilton all that much for me and I'm going to tell you why because I don't think anything we heard yesterday. Now, this is the Colts but I don't think anything we heard about Andrew Luck's status would suggest that they're worried that this could be a long long term injury. And if that's the case, I'm okay plug in T Y Hilton into my lineup for two or three weeks with Jacoby percent at quarterback because I honestly think percent is one of if not the singular best backup quarterback in the NFL. Yeah, but there's I mean, there's no denying you go back and look at his 2017 statistics. I mean, you know only season under a thousand yards in the last six under 60 catches. I mean, it's not the same situation without without walk there and make your sounds like you're giving the the it's a little bit more been on the benefit of the doubt here. I really don't trust anything that's coming out Indianapolis right now. That's where the with you know them calling it a caffeine, you know, it's either incompetence or they're being very vague. I mean, would you rather pay be vague or incompetent? I'd rather them be I guess it don't know I guess I'll beg. Yeah because incompetence I think that was part of the issue in 2017. So T Y Hilton like but here's the thing Tom. I will also say about Hilton. Percent that season remember he got traded to the Colts like a week before the season started. So he's had two more full seasons with the team. And obviously this is the second year with Frank Reich and it's the Frank Reich offense. So we know it's a better offense. So I think you do have to keep take that into account as well Amari Cooper is also a third rounder. We know the questions about him. Is he good morning? I mean last year even when he got to the Cowboys and it Tom it's undeniable. That Dak Prescott was better when Amari Cooper got there that Amari Cooper was better when he got to Dallas. But if you look at the numbers, he still put up most of his numbers in a couple big games. Yeah. I mean it was still you know, the the roller coaster ride with him, you know, the big huge games and then you know, the the bottom, you know, his floor is is way too low for a guy that's going in the top three rounds here and that's been the case throughout his career wasn't just because of Derek Carr apparently. But you know, there was a little bit more consistency and you know, you touched on set being in a tough spot. I mean Cooper was also in a tough spot learning offense and getting traded over mid season, so maybe there's more growth there and but you know, we did get a little bit of a report that you know, his little foot injury here is a little plantar fascial irritations. So that's not exactly something you want to be here, you know be hearing here going into the season because sometimes that can develop into a bigger issue. Ooh, I saw pro football. Dr. David Xiao. I saw him say that it's not a big deal. It's something you can manage but it is going to be painful. So just throw that on to the docket with Amari Cooper. Yeah, exactly and we're talking about a guy that's already inconsistent. You know, now we throw in, you know playing through pain and does he become even more volatile than that's scary with a guy that Cooper Adam thielen and Stefon Diggs or the next to Tom and correct me if I'm wrong or disagree with me if you want they're going back to back in. Pay I actually prefer digs. I just think you're a better player. I'm with you. I slightly prefer digs and I like some of the moves they made this offseason. I think you know there they tried to bolster their offensive line. I think that's going to help them throw it more downfield and you know, there's been talk that you know in the in the offseason that they're going to try to run more play action. I think that kind of stuff, you know, it's going to help both of those guys, but I think it helps digs a little bit more since he is primarily a outside. Fever and a lot of those plays, you know, the longer developing players are better for the outside receivers. If you're noticing a theme here, it's that we have a lot of questions about These Guys these wide receivers who are going in the third round and Tom. This is why I haven't really liked starting in a redraft Lee best ball is different just because my approach to the running back and receiver positions are different in best ball, but in a redraft league, this is why I don't really like starting running back running. Back because I have some big questions about these third round receivers. And for the first time in a long time. I actually feel like I like the third round running backs more than I like the third round receivers. So as we talked about yesterday, I am much more likely to start my draft in my opinion receiver receiver than I am to start it running back running back because if I can get two of those top eight guys, we talked about at the receiver position. I feel more comfortable. Oil going into the year with say a carry-on Johnson or or Devonta Freeman as my number one running back then I do going into the year with an Amari Cooper as my number one receiver. Yeah. I'm right there with you. I love the third run around running backs the season and it's not like the the receivers or you know bad here in the third round. There's there's just a you know, it's just there's just a little bit of question marks with each of these guys which you know, which is why they're in the third round. So I'm right there with you. I'm much more likely. Way to go, you know wide receiver heavy or tight end hat, you know, that's why I've been taking Kelsey in the first round at the end of the first round a little bit because I do like the the running backs in the second round and in the third round, but yeah, these guys have a lot of questions but I think the guys behind them have a there is a little bit of a drop-off here to the to the next tier as well. It's funny how we look at this as well. You know, you look at T Y Hilton and Amari Cooper and these guys are definitely the team's number one wide receivers. But you know, the questions are keeping them out of the second round. But then your brain just kind of shifts and then you look at the names in the fourth round. You're like man. I love these guys. I loved the Rough Side. Let's start with Julian Edelman who's kind of a he's kind of the ugly duckling here only because he's a floor guy getting drafted in this round. But then we have Chris Godwin the number 16 wide receiver off the board Brandin Cooks Kenny Galah day and Robert woods. These guys are the fourth round wide receivers. I think edelman's the floor guy. You're a betting on If you're going with Godwin and gawad a and then with cooks and woods take your pick of the to I actually prefer Woods for Fantasy. But some people might like the ceiling of a Brandin Cooks. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah Woods is another very high floor guy. He is, you know his florist just about as high as Julian edelman's week in week out, you know, he had a nice little run of I think like five catches and 60 yards there for like 14 games last season. So he's a pretty high floor guy, you know in terms of these, you know, He's young receivers. I've been haven't really died. I've been going for the floor guys. I actually in this round but you know, I have dabbled in Chris Godwin here. I think he has, you know, huge potential here playing out of the Seas can play all this lot quite a bit and a lot of targets gone out of Tampa and we know Bruce Arians is going to throw it around. So I slightly preferred drafted him. I he he I'm surprised by the ATP. I typically see Cooks going off the board before God when But these NFC data showing people are being very aggressive with God when in these higher Stakes leagues? Yeah. I mean the high-stakes leaks you're shooting for the ceiling and you're obviously shooting for the ceiling with Chris Godwin, but you know, Tom and here's the funny part about it though, and I've talked about Brandin Cooks a ton like I didn't draft Brandin Cooks last year and I didn't really regret it. Like it was one of those that he had a couple huge games and he had some small gains, but look at the season Brandin Cooks had last year on the aggregate now for Fantasy, which is a weekly gain, Game, it's sometimes it's deceptive to look at things on the aggregate. But last year Brandin Cooks caught 80 passes for 1204 yards and five touchdowns. If anybody is drafting Chris God when in the fourth round, you tell him he's having that year. They might say, you know, what I would like a couple more touchdowns, but that's an awesome year and he's going ahead of Brandon Cooks who did that last year and is coming off of four consecutive thousand yard seasons. Yeah. I got One's Gonna be interesting. He could be end up being a floor guy like An adamant because I think he's gonna be seeing a lot of targets. I I don't know if he's going to have the huge yardage games like cook so he might actually end up big, you know more of a floor guy than anything. I know Aaron said earlier this Summer that you know, he could see God when catching a hundred passes and I wouldn't be totally shocking here. Let's get into the fifth round top because if I'm in the league where I start three wide receivers and one of these guys that I'm about to list is my third wide receiver. I am freaking psyched because these are Um, these are some guys that that I've been targeting aggressively in fantasy DJ more these wide receiver 20 Mike Williams Tyler Lockett Calvin Ridley Cooper cup Tyler Boyd. I happen to like all of these guys. I know some folks are down on Calvin Ridley and I want to get your opinion on Calvin Ridley. He did he was very touched down dependent last year, but we're also going into his second year a potential break out Year. Mike Williams hasn't broken. Yet but the Chargers have a very very narrow passing tree. I think it's going to be whoever the back is Keenan Allen Williams and Hunter Henry and that's going to get 90% of their targets. DJ more is the name. I want to focus on Tom. He's one of my most drafted receivers and this is the guy I'm highlighting where you tell me if at the end of the year one of these guys is top five in the NFL in receiving yards by I'm zeroing in on DJ Moore's that guy. Yep. He's been a one of my it's and I see the his nff. See price here is more in line with what we've been seeing all along. We've had him in the tub. We've had him and I think 18 or 19 overall, you know, he's been going like in the 24 to 26 range and in the best ball draft that we you know, I typically do but he has huge potential a he was a you know top 20 type receiver whenever he they finally started playing him last year as a rookie. They you know, they kind of bench Devin funchess and he sowed you know, Top 20 potential last year now. He gets another season to work with Cam Newton and you have to remember whenever he kind of broke out at the at the end of last year Cam Newton was really hurt or he didn't play at all. So I mean he was you know, that that wasn't with a Cam Newton that was at a hundred percent and it was with you know, Tyler heinicke, you know, so I mean more has I think he has sneaky wide receiver want, you know top 12 wide receiver one potential here. The season Tyler Lockett I look we know what Happened last year, he was the most efficient receiver arguably in the history of the NFL last year Russell Wilson had a perfect passer rating throwing to him. We don't need that to happen again Tom for him to pay off this ATP. What we do need is him to get more than 70 targets, which is his career high that's ridiculous. The the season that he put together last season with just 70 targets you talked about the Chargers happen. They're having an arrow with in-depth charted receiver. The Seahawks is might be the thinnest out of the entire leg here. Yeah, and you know walk it easily. I could see him going, you know, seeing 30 to 40 more Targets this season and if he stay, you know, he's not even going to come close to being as efficient as he was last season, but you know Russell Wilson is still one of the best deep throws in the leg and lock it is certainly proven that he can create separation down the field. So he's been you know, right after Lockett more have been my two favorite guys out of this range. I'm with you with Williams and Ridley. Not that I don't like those guys, but it's just they you know, they're both guys that score 10 touchdowns last year. It was a lot a lot of dependence on touchdowns. And you know, that's it's tough to duplicate year-to-year here. I do expect more targets and things to come for them, but I just have a few more questions there just because they have dominant number one receivers in front of them. So this this is the range that where I think it's really pivotal by the way. I love Cooper cup I've drafted him. Yeah. Yeah, we didn't really touch on them. You know, the only thing you know, the concern there is the recovery off the ACL injury. It could be you know, maybe he gets off to a little bit of a slow start but I wouldn't lose patience with him, especially since he didn't even start camp on the pump. So I'm not but he's worked his way back. So this is where your roster construction Tom really really can take off. I think it's very possible at this point to have two running backs and three receivers you feel good about or two running backs to receiver. And a tight end you feel good about maybe you have one running back three receivers in a tight end you feel good about but I mean at this point, I'm not a zero wide receiver guy. I know there are some contrarians out there who have really started to take that approach and this is where they draft their number one wide receiver. I don't like that approach. I will want one of these guys to be my number two receiver bare minimum if I have a number three receiver out of this group. I am freaking thrilled because this is where I really start to think the running back position drops. Also at this point in my draft if I'm just a typical drafter and I'm not trying to execute a different strategy by the time we get to the end of the wide receiver 25 is Tyler Boyd and we will talk about number 26 in ATP. I want at least two receivers out of this group this top 25. Yeah, I agree. I typically do that, but I have dabbled a little bit in the 0 receiver a little bit this that's just it to experiment a little bit my best ball. It typically have done it. No, you know when I've gotten like carrion Johnson and the early third, you know, I'll go I have done a few drafts with three running backs. It is a little I'm just scrambling for receivers after that. You know, I'm drafting like four receivers in a row after that. Just hoping that I hit one of these guys and you know hit it big and they have a big wide receiver one type season and maybe if you do do that, you know kind of scenario maybe AJ Green is a kind of a guy that you may be Target in the sticks around who has the huge potential. You know, we've seen him be a top five type receiver and he's going at a discounted rate. Now, maybe he's a guy that if you go running back heavy at the top of the draft, maybe a Target and AJ Green in the sixth round. So he is wide receiver 26. That's the guy I wanted to mention here his ATP over the last week at the NFC is fifty six point nine six that puts him in the back end of the fifth round, but it's kind of deceptive Tom to talk about his ATP because the range is ridiculous for him. Yeah. I saw the To 290 early and yeah, the earliest pick is 42 which is right smack in the middle of the fourth round. The latest pick is 90 which puts him in the eighth round. So it's just depending I mean the the guy who drafted him at 90 might not have even had visions of drafting AJ Green has okay sure. This is ridiculous. The guy who draft him at 42 is like I'm going to try to shoot for the ceiling. What is your plan with AJ Green? I know you dabbled on it a little bit, but do you like them on a team? Where you Two receivers you feel good about three receivers you feel good about or if you want to go a zero or a wide receiver approach. Is he the second receiver you draft and you're just planning on stashing them and hoping you have a number one guy when he comes back. Yeah. I like that approach. If you go running back heavy and your do you go shoot for the moon here go for a green maybe at the end of the fifth, you know early 6th and hope that he's you know, healthy by week 3 or week 4 and you get a you know, a top 12 caliber receiver here, you know going off the board at wide receiver 26, that would be my Approach. If I go running back heavy, you know, I don't know if I would really take you know a big risk if he's like my third receiver, you know, maybe I'd go for a little bit more stability here, but it's an interesting group down here. I still do like, you know, some of these other guys like Allen Robinson that's going right around the same price. I think he has a lot of upside potential. He started to really come. The end of last year. So this is an interesting range. We have some post type guys we and we have some pretty good guys that that people expect to break out. These are the sixth round wide receivers starting at wide receiver 27 and ATP with Allen Robinson post type Alshon, Jeffery 28 post type Jarvis Landry at wide receiver 29 post type and then let's get into to break out candidates Cristian Kirk and Robbie Anderson a lot of guys are on Cristian Kirk as a breakout. I think they're going to run a ton of plays in Arizona. So I'm in I love Robbie Anderson. I liked what I saw from Donald in the first preseason game, but there's some value Tom in these quote-unquote boring pics of Robinson, Jeffrey and Landry as well. Yeah. I've dabbled in Robinson here. I Jeffrey and Landry. I haven't done too much. I'm not a big fan of Landry. We saw, you know at the end of last season they were really spreading the rock around, you know, Freddy kitchens whenever he took We're with Baker Mayfield. You know, we're starting Higgins was right on his tail in terms of Targets in the second half of last season. So you throw Odell Beckham in the mix and I just have it. I haven't taken a single Jarvis Landry here. I'm not not feeling it. Jeffrey is a little bit. I just there's just so many mouths to feed in the in Philadelphia. Obviously. He has the the potential for you know, big games and it just with DeSean Jackson there and I think they're going to be playing Dallas Goddard a little bit. More I haven't done too much Jeffrey. I've been going for more of the the hype guys. I've been all in on Kirk here Robbie Anderson as well. I'd like what I saw out of the Sam Donald at the end of last season thrown to him. So Kirk is a very interesting to me, you know, it sounds like he's going to be playing more out of the slot this year. He's very familiar with the Air Raid Offense actually played a season with Kyler Murray at Texas A&M as well. He could be really dangerous, you know catching some short passes. He was great after the At last season so he's very intriguing to me in the sixth round. Yeah, like Kirk like Anderson number 32 and into the seventh round is Will Fuller. We know it. His ceiling is Tommy just can't stay on the field, but I'm starting to wonder if I should be dabbling a little bit more and will Fuller. Yeah. I have my fair shares of in best ball. I probably probably won't do a whole lot with Fuller and redraft but I love them for the best ball format with his explosiveness, you know, the reports out of Camp have been pretty favorable. Sounds like he's still running quite fast and running behind defense has so, you know, I've gotten a few shares a full we're here. Okay, we have we have four more guys to talk about who are going in the seventh round wide receiver 33 Dante Pettis Tom The Vibes are nuclear Andante Pettis right now. I mean, he'll he's not running with the ones exclusively and now you wonder if Kyle Shanahan is using that as kind of a motivation tactic maybe Dante pet is came into the offseason thinking, you know, I got this job on lockdown. I'm the number-one receiver and it just hasn't been working out for him thus far in Camp, but it's hard to really trust him at this ATP. Then you have Sammy Watkins who can't stay on the field and is inconsistent when he's on it, Corey Davis who is at the mercy of Marcus Mariota. And then you have a guy who is shooting up draft boards Curtis Samuel at wide receiver 36 who is now going in the seventh round. I've seen them go as high as the fifth at this point. Is he is he is he has a rocket ship strapped to his ass, but this is an interesting range of guys Tom. Who have you drafted the most of in this group? And is there anybody you're just not interested in at all? Yeah, if we're throwing Samuel into this group, but I have drafted him quite a bit. But you know previously in the summer he was more of an eighth round pick. I've really just stayed away from old, you know, most of these guys I did have Watkins, but that was more of early in the summer because the Tyree kill situation when it looked like he might get suspended. Pettis Watkins and Corey Davis. I just have kind of stayed away from these three guys. Curtis Samuel is a guy. I been a high on all year say, you know similar situation we touch on with DJ more they started playing him at the end of the last year and started to emerge and that was with the backup bandwidth, you know, Canton and Cam Newton and you know playing it like 70% so, you know a guy of kind of warmed up to hear this in the last couple weeks was Sterling chef. Bird here. He's On The Fringe of this group, you know Golden Tate sitting out for weeks. I think we're going to see a lot of Sterling Shepherd. I was at initially more on tape, but I've seen his price kind of dip here a little bit, you know and best ball on draft.com because of the thumb injury people there were some uncertainty that you know about him being able to go weak one, but I don't see it being an issue once the season rolls around so I've kind of gotten back in on Shepherd. So let's just talk about roster. By this point Tom and once you get to the eighth round, you know things just start to get muddy. You can't really talk about your rosters constructed. But when we're talking about that will Fuller Pettis Watkins Davis Samuel and Shepard Group, which takes us to wide receiver 37 and ATP. Ideally one of these guys is not my number three wide receiver. I want these guys to be if I'm drafting one of these guys. I would like one of the I would like them to be my number4 because we have a lot of questions about them. I would like to have three receivers probably by the end of like the sixth round. If one of these guys is your three you really better be strong at the other positions. Yeah. They're little scary. They have more question marks than most here are this is whatever this is where I feel Like there is a bit of a difference between the top half of the receivers here. I feel like this is where there was the position kind of starts to slip here a little bit. You know, Corey Davis is off. He's obviously supremely talented but you know, he's playing with Marcus Mariota. Do you feel better if Tannehill was the starter? Probably just kind of six of one half-dozen. Yeah. Exactly. I probably would feel slightly better. But I also just don't like the amount of competition they brought in they they drafted AJ Brown on the second round Adam Humphries was a key free agent addition and Delanie Walker has been you know, Marcus Mario's guy when he's been healthy. So, you know, I just feel like there is a bit of a cliff here right after Fuller, you know, looking at this list your wide receiver 32 and feels like there's a bit of a big drop-off from wide receiver 32 will Fuller to this next group with Pettis Watkins Davis a just there's a lot more questions than the the top 32. Let's get The eighth round here in ATP and it kind of starts with Shepherd who's on that seventh eighth round cusp Larry Fitzgerald who I think I mean, he's kind of flying under the radar if they're going to run a ton of place. He's going to catch passes Portland Sutton Hoo. I have no idea how to Value DD Westbrook who I really like the quietest one hundred Target season in the NFL last year belonged to DD Westbrook and a guy who I drafted a bunch Marvin Jones who's going like five rounds after Kenny Gala day, but as you've pointed out Tom actually He kind of outproduce Gala day when they were both on the field at the same time last year. Yeah. I'm surprised you know what this being a sharp leg that his ATP is down here in the late 90s. He's going a little bit higher in the best ball drafts that I've been doing. But yeah, I like Marvin Jones a lot Westbrook. I'm right there with you especially with you know, the it sounds like Marquis Lee could be you know on the the pop-up list through the first six weeks of the Season we haven't heard us. I haven't heard a peep out of GJ shark yet, you know kylan cotton. Really fell off so I could see a lot of DD Westbrook. He's a guy I've really been warming up to you know, once a priest, you know, once training camp started here. I feel like maybe I need to push him a little bit higher Fitz. I don't know what to do with them. You know, it sounds like he's going to be playing a lot more on the outside this year, you know, click kind of preferred the the smaller quicker receivers out of the slot here. So I just don't have any Fitzgerald here and and Sutton I'd like his talent but he's playing with Joe Flacco. I just I don't trust Joe Flacco at this point of career and they're cheaper receivers. You can buy from from Denver. Yeah, I like Westbrook and Marvin Jones that are going right around the same price. So I'm now I don't want to confuse people. I would much rather have Kenny Gala day than Marvin Jones if you were to offer them to me straight up, but the question is is the difference of four or five round difference like we're seeing here now. I think it's probably more of a two-round difference just because Gall days the younger Ascending player and more maybe Marvin Jones coming off in the injury might be descending but you know, it's it's 12 to 24 picks difference not you know, four to five rounds different. Are you more likely to have Larry Fitzgerald Tom? Say is your wide receiver for if you're really banking on upside with your first three say you draft Odell Beckham say you have Odell Beckham Chris Godwin and DJ Moore's your top three receivers. Are you more likely to have a fits? So as your number four because of because of his floor the fact that they're probably going to run a ton of plays and catch ball, or do you even look at that when you're drafting see it at this point the draft I I'm not looking for floor. Actually. I mean whenever I'm drafting wide receivers for and fine, I'm strictly looking for upside at this time at this point. That's probably why I have not been on Fitzgerald at this point. I'm looking down the list, you know Kiki cootie. I haven't drafted him at all and I just see him as a floor guy, you know a lot of targets, but you know not A lot of you know lot of yards and touchdown potential, you know, I've been more aggressive on guys like Moncrief and DeSean Jackson and valda scantling at this point Geronimo Allison's cut in this range, but you know, I think he you know, he's more of a floor full floor guy too. So I typically go for more of the upside options, you know, even if you know four or five wide receivers deep and I've went pretty aggressive at receiver early. I'm still looking for upside guys at this point in the draft. So we're now we're starting ting to meld the the rounds together. There's a big there's a much bigger difference between the second and third round than between the 9th and the 10th round and now we're starting to meld the them together and this is where you're starting to pick off the players where you know, what it doesn't matter if I take them in the eighth round of his atp's in the tent because I like them and I'm going to take my guy in the eighth round and let's start with Marcus Valdez scantling and Geronimo Allison back-to-back wide receiver 42 and wide receiver 43 in ATP I much prefer Valdez scantling. He's Young. Our he's got the height from Aaron Rodgers this offseason. I'm in on Valdez scantling. Cootie is injured. I had a lot of him earlier but he's now injured looks like a what was it Tom look like a high ankle low ankle sprain. Let's just say he came out after the game was a he said he'll be fine. It was some sort of must have been a low ankle sprain Dante Martin and this is an interesting three pick range right here. Yes Donte Moncrief wide receiver 45 DeSean Jackson wide receiver 46. I have a metric ton of DeSean Jackson because I think there's a legitimate chance. He leads the Eagles and receiving this year not catches but receiving yards and then James Washington you and I both said earlier when we were doing the podcast. I talked to Greg Cosell about this and he said, you know, I don't know what they're going to do it receiver, but he said Moncrief is a unique talent who's just never really scraped the ceiling but then James Washington explodes in the first preseason game now not with Roethlisberger with Joshua. Cops but Moncrief and James Washington Tom your Steelers guy. What is what's the talk out of Pittsburgh right now on these guys. I know you I know you digest a lot of what the beat writers are saying out there. Well, that was actually I mean Moncrief is actually kind of distanced himself from the reports in the first couple weeks. He's kind of you know cemented himself as the number two here Washington was actually having a little bit of a shaky Camp there was talk that deante Johnson was really pushing them for the number 3 spot until the big preseason game. So I think Washington has you know, if you know, he gets another performance or two like that in the preseason. He's a guy we could see baby. He starts to climb into the low 40s. Hi 30s in terms of draft picks here by the end of the summer. So I still I still lead Moncrief here, but I could be swayed if Washington has a huge performance here. We gotta remember that was Tampa Bay secondary and it probably again probably against the law to back up. So that's the one thing. I have been telling myself not to get overly excited. What about James Washington's performance the other night? And by the way with James Washington, if you remember last year, it seems like Ben Roethlisberger and Mike Tomlin kind of identified him as a kid who needs a little bit of a kick in the ass every once in a while. Not yet. He's a bad kid, but it's not might be why he's a corporate quiet guy. Yeah that that's the impression I get and maybe that's why you know, some of those reports are coming out there. You're trying to light a fire under his ass, but you said but you're right the the performance by Washington was great, but the reports have been mom Kris the to and hey look out for this deante Johnson. So I think what it's essentially a floor ceiling play not to say that Moncrief doesn't have a ceiling because he does there's a shit ton of targets here that are unaccounted for in Pittsburgh, but I think Moncrief is probably more the floor play. I think Moncrief is way more likely to catch let's let's put it this way. I think James Washington is way more likely to catch fewer than 40 passes than Moncrief is I totally agree with you. But Moncrief is a fascinating. He he's he's still really young. I think this is you know, what is this his fifth or you know, is he entering his sixth season death? He was the 2014 draft Tom. He was part of that 2014 draft class that had Odell Beckham. So he's sixth season here, but he's still I think he just is going to turn 26. I mean, he was 20 years old when he was a rookie and he's he flashed early in his career, but he's kind of been staked bit in the last. Last two years, you know, not playing with lock and 17 and then you know obviously playing with Blake Bortles last year. I think he even flashed a little bit last year at the beginning of the Season until Bortles went right into the tank. So, you know playing with Ben Roethlisberger who's one of the best deep passers, you know, that's you know, obviously why there's a lot of hype around both Moncrief and Washington with Antonio Brown's targets gone. Let's just quick talk about Val that's gambling and Geronimo Alison. Do you have a clear preference between the two I've just been going for the Ceiling with MBS. I think Allison's more of the floor play, you know, he's going to be playing the slot a little bit and a lot of little bit probably a lot and Allison. He's been pretty good. You know whenever he's gotten the chance to play but injuries have kind of hindered him a little bit was pretty successful through the first four games last year than got hurt but I like mvs is upside as the primary deep threat in this offense. Maybe he becomes the you know, the new Jordy Nelson for this. This offense, you know the couple shot plays a game here wide receiver 48 is Golden Tate. Now Tom, I've actually found myself drafting Golden Tate a lot more and best ball leagues as like a fifth receiver because I'm like, all right. I mean he's going to catch a lot of passes or at least get a lot of targets when he comes back. So it's a little bit tougher to hold him and redraft especially if you have a shallow bench, but he's somebody who I think when he returns from the suspension could be a nice value. So wide receiver 48. I have no idea what to do with Emmanuel Sanders. There's at wide receiver 49. He's coming off of Tom surgery on both of his ankles this off season, including an Achilles, but apparently he looks great in Camp. I'm rooting for him. I don't know how to Value him. Anthony Miller's wide receiver 50. He just got hurt in the preseason apparently isn't serious, but we'll see about that. Then we get into two rookies DK Metcalf in to kill Harry. Are you drafting any of these guys in this in this range from 48 to 52? Not really. I don't really love this group, but I was on tape earlier this summer, but I'm kind of opposite of yeah, I've kind of backed off of him. I am a little bit worried. You know, we saw last year. He had tough time adjusting what the Eagles that they didn't use them quite right and I have to say, you know, I nowadays losing four games of reps. You know, we saw Daniel Jones play well to begin the first preseason game. There's a chance we might be transitioning to a quarterback at some point around that. Five games into the season so I don't love the situation for Tate anymore. I've backed off Sanders. I am I don't care if they could say that he's you know, racking up 300 yards of receiving every practice scoring five touchdown. I am not touching them, you know coming off an Achilles injury and his Advanced age. I am not going there. I hope he has a great season, but I am not going to and he's got Joe Flacco for his quarterbacks, so he's been not not even close on my radar. Our antique Miller is the one guy out of this group that you know, I would take some shots on play through the shoulder injury all last year. But you know, he was a very, you know, create a lot of separation and was a good Red Zone Target last season. So that's the one guy out of this group that I would consider now, we're getting into the range time where you're starting to just you ignore ATP and you're starting to pick off the guys you like and I want you to tell me the guys you like out of this group from 53 to 60. Tyrell Williams Devin funchess Michael Gallop Jameson Crowder John Brown. Okay, there's my guy. I've drafted him a ton DeVante Parker. I can't believe he's going and I did 50 we going to get fooled by this. Okay, Joe. What's the over-under for Preston Williams passing him on the depth or the season week to wait till you're calling it week to I don't doubt it. I was gonna say end of September, I guess your A little more aggressive than me DeVante Parker. I'm just I'm not getting Fooled Again Tom. It's just not happening Paris Campbell and Josh Gordon Josh Gordon wide receiver 60. I am in at that price Tom. Yeah. I've taken my shots on Gordon, you know, that's a great price and whilst will hopefully get a little bit more news on him. He filed for the reinstatement last week. Maybe we'll hear a little bit by the end of August here to get some sort of idea Gallop. I've been all over Michael Gallo. I thought he was really starting to Merge at the end of last season and you know, he had he was getting open a lot downfield playing with deck and deck just missed him for a couple big ones, but they also connected on a couple big ones. So he's been a guy I've loved it. He's been getting rave reviews out of camp and you know, first preseason game Saw Three Targets on the opening drive and got a long defensive passes defensive pass interference on his corner back. So he's a guy I've really loved John Brown them. I'm right there with you. I really like Bob Foster this this offseason. He was going a little later and draft so but it looks like Bob Foster is battling for a roster spot in at this point in Buffalo. So I've completely backed off him and have jumped on the John Brown train here and got my shares ahead in the last couple weeks so we can wrap this up Tom. I mean we are now at the end of drafts we've gone we've listed every receiver from wide receiver 1/2 wide receiver 60 And FFC ATP over the last week. Is there anybody below wide receiver 60 and ATP that you are in on if you listen to me, you know who my guy is it straight women down at wide receiver 70. I think he can lead the Redskins and receptions and he's at wide receiver 70. He is locked into his role. I am in on him there. But Tom is there anybody below this range that wide receiver 60 range that you found yourself drafting quite a bit. Yeah. I like Debo Samuel and San Francisco, you know dispatch. Only now with all the negative Dante Pettis reports. I was on him a little bit earlier this summer now I've opted out, you know, I've been going in on him quite a bit recently here Kenny steals. I feel like he's a super bargain. Every year guy is score. I think he's nice. He's going after DeVante Parker. I am I've no freakin idea these guys scored. I think seven touchdowns in each of the last three seasons with the dolphins, you know, he is volatile I get it. I mean he has the A stinker games but he gets Brian Fitzpatrick as a starting quarterback. He's going to be playing out of the slot quite a bit and Fitz loves his slot receivers. He has I think we have Stills in the low 50s there to mid 50s here. I don't get his price right now going a little farther. I like Quincy and noon while quite a bit talk that he's going to be playing on the outside more downfield targets. We saw Sam Donald, you know, throw a pretty well down field last year. With Robbie Anderson. So a new mom has been quietly very effective whenever he's been on the field just you know, injury-hit issues have kept him from really a you know, breaking out and little bit further David more for Seattle. I mean, you know, let people drive DK metcal take David more if I want one of those too. Yep. Yeah. It just feels like he's a nice value where he's going. The receiving Corps is very thin in Seattle right now, and we saw flashes of You know some dominance from David Moore he kind of he tailed all he did tail off at the end of last year, but it's in there. I'll be taking my shots on him real late and drafts. And yeah that looks that's about the the guys going really deep that I've been taking I'm with you on the tray Quinn as well. So some other guys to just keep an eye on keep an eye on that Jacoby Meyers with the Patriots. Although there's a lot of can broil Tompkins Vibes coming out of there the the keep an eye on Hunter Renfro with the Raiders who? All the way down in our be at wide receiver 95 somebody to keep an eye on there as well. And then certainly Maurice Harris with the Patriots. One of those guys is going to emerge. It's just a matter of who we talked about that Preston Williams as well to earlier in the podcast here. We all know we said how much we don't like DeVante Parker but he's a guy that's going to be rising updraft boards and there's obviously Tom there's going to be guys we didn't talk about who were going to have some fantasy value this year, but it's impossible to get to all them. I really hope we helped you out with your wide receiver draft plan. Tom we're going to wrap up the podcast with our team to a days and then we'll see you on Friday with our quarterback and tight end draft plan. What's up listeners? This has been kookiness producer of the fantasy free agents podcast. If you're listening to this you obviously like podcasts and I'll go out on a limb and say you like music too. 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We're getting close to wrapping up the team to add a segments as well. We're going to start in the NFC with the Seattle Seahawks and they're betting and fantasy preview. Yeah. The Seahawks are went ten and six last year lost in the Wild Card round to the Cowboys. They finished over there nine wind total total offense 353 yards, which was 18th scoring offense 27 points a game sixth overall. Place for game sixty two point six which was twenty second key offensive players gone Mike Davis JR Sweezy Brett Huntley key offensive editions DK Metcalf on account of targets a hundred forty-two, which is 12 and 2019 wind total is 8 and a half with a little bit of money going towards the over at - 125 and the under at minus 105. How are you treating this backfield Tom? Because I'm a little afraid. I haven't invested enough right now. Oh, this is It's been the one group since August. I've been really going heavily and I was with you there. I hadn't been going in and off on them. I've been taking a lot of Carson and Petty. I've been pretty steady on all summer. I feel like he's been a pretty good value in the in the seventh round. I just like that Mike Davis is gone. He was getting a lot of opportunities last season and they don't really have any but anybody that's you know, as of now is going to step into that number three roles. So that just means, you know more Touches for For these two guys, so we know how much salt in Heimer wants to run the ball each week and now we're getting reports out of camp, but they want to throw the ball to the running backs as well because of just how thin they're receiving chorus. Could we be looking at a sneaky good offense Tom in the AFC West with the Oakland Raiders for their bedding and fantasy preview to I mean Tom there's a lot going on here. There's a lot of drama, but they also have a lot of talent. Yeah. I think it's all going to come down to that quarterback. Oakland Raiders for and 12:00 last year finished under there a twin toes. What was Vegas smoke and last year when they set that total 336 yards a game which was twenty third scoring offense 18 points a game, which was Twenty Eight plays per game 62 point to which was twenty fourth key players lost Jared Cook Jordy Nelson Coletti assemble a TJ climbing's key offensive editions Antonio Brown Josh Jacob strength. Round Tyrell Williams Foster Moreau Hunter Renfro, and Mike Glennon unaccounted targets 359 which is first overall in 2019, when total six and a half with money going towards the under it - 140 plus 110 to the over actually kind of like this team for fantasy. And that's even if you ignore Antonio Brown at his cost. I mean, I think there's a lot of value in in Josh Jacobs. I think there's potentially a lot of value there. But Tyrell Williams Darren wohlers been one of my favorite tight ends to draft even though he's in a sling right now and Tom I can actually see Derek Carr being a solid value in superflex leagues because he does have a lot of a lot of guys to throw to hear. Yeah. It's looking good and we touched on run fro as a lake guy. So all of a sudden they're receiving Corps is looking a lot stronger a lot of targets to go around 359 the you know, which is first so they're looking for guys to step up here. I would think that a baby is going to get a majority of those but you know as we touched on earlier in the podcast, maybe I'll go AWOL at some point this season which makes you want to get maybe some shares of some of these lesser Raiders receivers and we'll see how this backfield plays out to a lot of a lot of Hope for Josh Jacobs, you know, potentially being a 3 down back here Tom that's going to wrap it up for this edition of the fantasy free agents podcast. 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If anything is stealing killing or destroying in your life in your children's lives in your family's lives in your nation or in anything that affects you you have authority over it. You are the boss of the devil. Hello and welcome to Faith talks. I'm your host Emily Preston and in these podcasts, we will be discussing how to practically apply the principles found in the word or how to be a doer of the word. So that you can start seeing more of the manifestation of God's grace in every area of your life. Hello everybody and welcome back to Faith talks where we learn how to walk by faith through Grace today. I'm so excited about what I have to teach you. I've been spending a lot of time developing the notes and the outline for this teaching and every time I think I'm prepared to to go ahead and record it the holy spirit gives me more and more things to add to it. So I'm not going to rush through this topic. I'm going to take my time. I really want to spend as much time as I can teaching you everything that I've learned about this topic and not rushing through anything. And so there's going to be quite a few episodes to do with this topic. But I really believe that I've gotten everything that all of the important things that I need to out of this topic. Like to teach you and the Holy Spirit will fill in the blanks. And of course we can talk about the word forever. But what I'd like to teach you today is about your Authority so the authority of the believer and I've actually titled this podcast you're the boss over the devil because we have to change the way we see ourselves and when we see ourselves as being in charge as over the things that are trying to steal kill and destroy from us, it's all about recognizing and We're having a revelation of our position. And so what I'm going to teach you is where our Authority comes from when we got our Authority, who and what we have authority over how we become fully persuaded of our Authority and how we exercise our Authority. So hopefully each of these points covers all the main things that we need to know and this teaching actually ties in with my previous episodes time. Titled is God really in control and if you're interested in listening to those their episodes 29 to 31 where I teach about the sovereignty of God and is God really in control and you can't talk about the Believers Authority or God being in control separately from each other. They're very much tied in with each other God being in control and the authority of the believer. So a lot of the things I'm going to mention today May overlap, but there are so many new things. This is so many amazing awesome points that I'd like to bring out for you. And the reason that I really got enthusiastic about teaching this topic is because of a Facebook post. And normally I don't get into any discussions or debates on Facebook because you know revelation of the word has to come from the Holy Spirit. It doesn't come through debating and arguing over things it comes because the person has to have a revelation of of the word, you know, Flesh and Blood did not reveal these things to us. It's by the spirit. So normally as I said, I don't get into discussions and debates but I saw a Facebook post from a very well-known very prominent Minister and this person has an enormous following and the post that they put on their Facebook page said find a resting place in God in his sovereignty. We do not control anything and really that you know, it just really it was like I got punched in the stomach find a resting place in God and his son. T we do not control anything and I thought that couldn't be farther from the truth. And so I did answer I put a little comment on there which I probably shouldn't have but I thought this person is influencing so many people and there were so many replies to that post saying yes. Amen Ford's, you know tagging people in that and I just thought man, you know, no wonder people live downtrodden lives that are just full of misery because they think that God is in control of everything. They don't think that they have any say in what goes on in their life. They leave the outcome up to God. They want to remain in a passive position asking God to do things instead of realizing that God has given them full authority over the things that come to steal kill and destroy and so I put a very nicely I hope weathered comment up on that post and some people were supportive of it, but the majority of people were very Angry at what I had to say and I used scripture. I didn't just pull things out of the air actually, but back to everything I set up with scripture, but the it was borderline abuse. So I was called a heretic and all kinds of things. I suppose. I'm in good company because Jesus was called a heretic but I just thought this is such an important Revelation that people need to receive is that they are not just to leave everything that happens and just put up with things they have Have a say in what goes on in their lives. We have a saying God's given us everything that we need to operate and walk in the authority that he's given us. And so that really spurred me on to record this podcast and and discuss this topic. So I know that you're going to learn so much from it as I did when I was studying this out and you know, we really just have to pray that people have a change of heart have a revelation of the truth because if they don't they will continue believing that God can heal all but not knowing that he will heal or not knowing that they can speak healing into their bodies and you know other times people believe that it's God who is allowing things to come their way to teach them patience or prepare them for a bigger trial that's down the road and people including Christians accept terrible things happening in their lives because they don't know that they have authority over them and see people don't like to let the Bible get in the way of they believe so you can pull out scripture after scripture and they still won't believe you because it's a change of heart. It has to come through Revelation and revelation of the word only comes through the preaching of the Gospel. So that's why we have two people who believe we who believe in no our Authority we have to get this word out there because the word of God is the only thing that is the truth and it is the truth that makes people free says in John 10:10 that the thief comes not but to steal To kill and to destroy but Jesus said that he came that we might have life in abundance to the full until it overflows. That's black and white. The thief is the one behind anything that is stealing killing and destroying but Jesus came to destroy the works of the evil one. He came to destroy the stealing the killing and the destroying and people are blaming God for the things that are stealing killing and destroying when God tells us it's the thief and so the enemy is successfully getting away with things because of Believers lack of knowledge if people don't know if the enemy if they think that God's the one behind it, then they're going to just accept it because they have a lack of knowledge in that area and that's mentioned in Hosea 4:6. It says my people perish through lack of knowledge. My people my Christian's my Believers my children perish because they don't know who they are in Christ Jesus and they don't know what God has given them by his grace. And so that is why it is so important to renew our minds to the word because it's the word that tells us who we are and what we have through the finished works of Jesus and most importantly the word tells us about our Authority. See everything we receive from God has to come through us. It doesn't just fall on us like apples off a tree. It has to come through an act of receiving in second Peter 1 verse 3. It says his divine power has given us past tense has given us everything everything that pertains to life and godliness, but how does it come through the Knowledge of him through the knowledge of the word through the knowledge of God who has called us to glory and goodness everything that God's power has supplied to us comes through our knowledge of him through our knowledge of the word. So if we have an authority deficiency, we have a word deficiency. So the more word we put in the more we're going to walk in those things that are to do with life and godliness. I love what Creflo Dollar says. He says that God has supplied the power but we have to flip the switch if the lights aren't working in your house. You don't call the electric company to come and turn your lights on. They've already supplied the power to your house, but you have to go and turn the lights on you have to flip the switch. And so God has supplied the power to us. He has supplied the authority his supplied all of the tools and resources that we need to live and overcoming. Successful Victorious life but we have to flip this switch. We have to activate what he's given us. It's not just going to automatically come to pass. There's an act of receiving on our part. And so today I'm going to teach you that you are the boss over the devil. You do not have to put up with anything stealing killing or destroying in your life in your family's life in your nation in the lives of the people that you love ever again. And I'm going to teach you how to exercise your authority over all of the power of the enemy so that nothing by any means shall harm you so before we start I'd just like to pray for you Lord. I Thank you for these people these precious people that are listening today Lord. I Thank You Lord that you love them so much Lord and that you want them to be Victorious and Overcomers in every area of their life and that you have given them everything that they need to do that Lord and I thank you Lord that they have the spirit of wisdom and Revelation in the knowledge of God and that the eyes of their understanding are enlightened and they know the hope of their calling they know what other glorious Riches of your inheritance for them in the Saints and your incomparably great power toward them because they are believers in the name of Jesus. I thank you Lord that everyone within the sound of my voice today receives revelation of who they are in Christ Jesus. They have revelation of their Authority as Believers and they have revelation of your unconditional love and grace toward them in Jesus name. Amen. Okay. So let's go back to the very beginning of where our Salvation started you have been saved by grace through faith salvation is a finished work and that word salvation is the Greek word Sozo, which means Old delivered preserved nothing missing and nothing broken in the Hebrew. It's the word Shalom. So Shalom Sozo or so Terrier. These are all words for salvation. And so salvation isn't just going to heaven when we die. It includes that includes eternal life, but it also includes healing Deliverance preservation. Nothing missing and nothing broken. So Jesus didn't just it died for your Eternal Sava salvation. He died so that we can live a life of Heaven here on Earth until we move to the next life. That is what God's perfect plan is for all of us and Jesus brought back everything that Adam Lost In the Garden of Eden and He restored it to us Adam and Eve fell when they ate of the fruit and the Earth was plunged into under a curse, but Jesus has redeemed us from the curse that came on Adam. That came on the world. So although we live in a cursed world. We don't have to operate under the world system operate under the curse. We do not have to tolerate the curse in our life perfect health perfect. Peace Divine protection Divine prosperity and the blessing of the Lord now belongs to us as children of God. Once again these things belong to us. So why do bad things still happen? Why does Sickness still attack our bodies. Why do we still face trials? Why is there still tragedy because even though the devil has been defeated and he was defeated at the cross. He is still God the small G God of this Earth. He still on the loose in this earth and he will remain on the loose in this earth until Jesus comes back. But God has given us all of the tools all of the resources necessary. A to take authority over him and put him in his place when he tries to steal kill and destroy from us and I'll give you an example of this and I've used this example before but it's the best example I can think of and that is that in our country. So for example in this in my country of Australia, there are laws in place that are forbid people from stealing from killing from rape from murder from you know, Any kind of criminal acts there are laws in place. There are written laws that state that those things are illegal and that there is a penalty for people who break those laws. There are harsh punishments that are the consequence for people breaking the law, but does it stop people from breaking the law know, there are people there are criminals who are out there who are stealing who are killing who are raping who are murdering. Who are committing crimes because they don't have any regard for the law. And so the country of Australia the government of Australia has delegated Law Enforcement Officers the police they are the people who are designated with authority to enforce the law. So if someone is caught breaking the law they have the full backing of the government of Australia to enforce the law, too. Arrest that person to bring them in and put them in jail and to enforce a punishment that fits the crime and they are the law enforcement offices. They are the people who have the full backing of the government the full Authority the government doesn't come and enforce the law in every particular situation themselves. They have delegated people to enforce the law and maintain order and Discipline in this nation and it's the same with us. The enemy is still breaking the law even though there are laws in place that save that sickness has been defeated that he cannot steal kill and destroy in our lives. It doesn't stop him from trying. Okay. So that's why God has designated US law enforcement officers. He has delegated authority to us so that if we catch the thief trying to steal kill and destroy we can arrest him and we can come down on him with the full force of the law the word of God and we can forbid him from operating in our lives because we have the backing of the government. We have the backing of Heaven itself of God of Jesus that have given us his authority that have delegated us as law enforcement officers and we have their full backing to Force the law in our lives and to arrest anything that is trying to steal kill and destroy from us. So the thing is is only people who know their Authority who know that they have delegated authority from Heaven who will walk in that Authority and who will arrest the thief people who don't know their Authority will just let him get away with it. They won't arrest him. They won't stop him from doing it because they don't know that they can they don't know what their rights and their privileges are and that again is why it's so important to learn and to get a revelation of our Authority. And once we have a revelation of authority over these things, we will never again tolerate anything less than God's best in any area of our lives in Luke 10:19. It says behold. I have given you Power Authority to trample on snakes and scorpions and over all of Power of the enemy and nothing shall by any means harm you that's why God has to give us the authority over all of the power of the enemy because he doesn't want anything by any means to harm us, but he has to give us the authority so that we can stop it one of my friends Darren. He had been suffering with back pain for about 20 years as a result of a car accident, you know in most If people would just think oh, well, this is just something that I have to live with for the rest of my life, you know pain killers physio adjusting their life to accommodate this back pain, but Darren got a revelation of his authority and he spoke to that back pain and he said you get out you do not belong to me in the name of Jesus and he enforced his authority his god-given authority over that back pain and the back pain left and Darren's been. Free of that back pain ever since because he got a revelation of his authority and you can listen to his full testimony in episode 32 of this podcast. But again, God has given us Authority because he does not want us to have to tolerate things that are stealing killing and destroying from us. So let's talk about where our Authority comes from. Where did we get our Authority? Well, we were created to have a Authority that was God's plan from the very beginning he said in Genesis 1 verse 26, let us make man in our image after our likeness and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea over the fowl of the air over the cattle over all the Earth over every creeping thing that creeps upon the Earth. God said let us make man in our image after our likeness let Them have dominion. We were created to be just like God we have the same Dominion that God has in our jurisdiction. He's given us jurisdiction over this Earth. This is where we have dominion and Authority just like God does over the universe and that word dominion is the Hebrew word raw door which means to dominate to have rule over to rain over and to Shred down. So God gave Dominion Authority Rule and Reign Over everything in the earth to man. Now notice. He did not give man Authority and dominion over each other, but he gave us dominion and authority over everything in the earth everything that moves breathes creeps flies walks over the Earth swims. We have been given authority over it. Do you know that God fully intended for Adam to take dominion over that snake when that snake came to tempt Eve Adam was there with her he was standing by her and God had just finished giving him dominion and authority over everything in the Earth, but he didn't take his authority over that snake. He let the snake talk to Eve and talk her into eating the fruit and then he then ate the fruit when Eve offered it to him and then Happened Adam did what people have been doing for thousands of years. He blamed God he blamed God for the mess that they got into he blamed God for Eve eating the fruit and offering it to him and he said to God it was that woman you gave me it's your fault. It was the woman you gave me and when Adam and Eve ate the forbidden fruit and sinned against God they fell from their position of authority they fell from their position of having. Pleat dominion over all of the earth and they handed it over to Satan and Satan became the god small G of this world. And now he has Authority and dominion over the Earth and you may ask well, why didn't God just fix everything right there? And then why didn't he just, you know kill Adam and drown Eve and start all over again because God cannot go back on his word in. 89 verse 4. He says my Covenant I will not break not alter the thing that has gone out of my lips, you know, people say that God can do anything but he can't he cannot go back on his word. The whole universe is upheld by his word. If he was to lie, even once the whole of the universe would fall apart because he cannot lie. He cannot go back on his word. God has had created man in His image and his likeness. If he had given him dominion and authority over all of the earth, so in essence God's hands were tied. He couldn't just go and say well no, I didn't really mean that hang on a sec. You messed up. Give it back Satan. Give it back Adam. Let's start all over again. No, it was the plan the the process had already been set in motion, and he couldn't just hand The Authority back over to man. He had given the earth and its authority over to man and man was a free moral. He had a choice and he chose to sin against God and in doing so he handed his authority over to Satan and God could not violate his word. He couldn't just take man's authority of Satan and give it back to him. He had to restore it to him through the blood of Jesus and through the Plan of Redemption which took about four thousand years to come to pass. So man had lost his authority he has Had given it over to Satan and now Satan had Authority and Dominion in the Earth because man had given it to him. And so let's have a look at when our Authority was given back to us. When Jesus came to the Earth as a man as a sinless man. He took the sin of the whole world when he went to the Cross then he went to hell and he took back the keys of death and hell now. I'm not going to go into a broad. On this particular topic, I'm just summarizing. But basically I want to bring out that he triumphed over Satan and he made a show of him. Openly he conquered him and he took back the authority he had stolen from man and after he did that he was resurrected from the dead and he ascended into heaven now in Ephesians 2 verse 4. It says that God who is rich in Mercy because of his great. Great love with which he loved us. Even when we were dead in sin. He made us alive together with Christ. He made us alive together with Jesus because by Grace we have been saved and raised us up together and made us sit together in the Heavenly places in Christ Jesus. So we were raised up together with Jesus even though we were dead in sin. Even though we were dead in our trespasses he raised us up together with Jesus and made us sit together with Jesus in Heavenly places and Hebrews 8 verse 1 says that Jesus is our high priest and is seated at the right hand of the Throne of the Majesty in the heavens. So Jesus is now seated at the right hand of the Throne of God of the Majesty in the heavens. And we are seated together with him. Now. The right hand of the Throne of God is the center of all the power and authority in the universe and it was given to Jesus after he died went to hell and was resurrected. Jesus was placed in that position of authority and power and when God raised Jesus up he raised us up with him. We now sit together with Jesus. We now occupy. By the same position of authority that Jesus occupies, we share the throne at the right hand of the majesty and to share a throne is to share the position that it represents. We are Co sharers of the authority that Jesus holds isn't that awesome and see this is not a privilege of a Chosen Few. This is the birthright of every believer who is a born-again. Child of God and you know, don't let the enemy talk to you and say that's so arrogant. That's so proud. How dare you supposed to even think that you that you share the same Authority as Jesus? I didn't say it. You didn't say it. God said it God is the one that says where your position of authority is and it is at his right hand. You are a CO are a joint Heir with Jesus you are seated at the right hand. Hand of majesty and that is where your Authority is and see Authority is not arrogance. It's simply knowing our position and walking in it. It is it a is actually a sign of true humility because we are doing what God says to do. We are occupying the position that God has given us to occupy. We are being obedient to the word and not what we think should be right and so we're going to leave that right there and we'll take this up in Next episode so tune in again next time for the continuation of this message. I've got some awesome awesome Revelation to share with you until next time stay blessed and don't forget to be a doer of the word and not a hearer only. God bless you. Thank you so much for being part of today's episode of Faith talks. If you have any questions related to today's or any of my previous episodes if you have a testimony you would like to share or for a free copy of Sessions for life. Please email me at questions at Faith talks.com dot a you for episode announcements and regular encouragement. 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The devil has been defeated, but he's still on the loose. He still roams as a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour. He still comes to steal, kill, and destroy from people who don't know he's defeated and who don't know their authority. As believers, we have been given authority over ALL of the power and ability of the devil so that nothing, by any means, can harm us, but we have to renew our minds to who we are and what we have been given so that we can operate in the full extent of our authority. In this series, you will learn why you have been given authority, when you were given authority, how to exercise your authority, and who/what you have authority over. You will learn practical examples of how to exercise authority in your health, finances, emotions, relationships, and in your nation. Once you receive a revelation of your authority you will never tolerate anything from the enemy in your own life, the lives of those you care about, or the place you live, ever again! "A believer who is fully conscious of the divine power that is backing him up, and therefore of his own authority will face anything that is from the enemy without fear or hesitation." - John A. MacMillan (The Authority of the Believer)

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Yes, you guys we're joined here with Zach Peters these actuators. Yes, when Chelsea and Liam text you and tell you to come on and talk real housewives of New York. You do it you guys don't ask questions you just show up and you do it, especially with an episode like a trip. Episode so good you have to be here for a trip episode. I was laughing the entire time. I mean when Sonja is face planning within the first two minutes of the episode starting onto the ground blackout drunk like and still going like the Bob stuff. She is. Yeah, I agree. Yeah guys, so we have a lot to talk about I am Chelsea Stark Jones and like I said, I'm joined by the lovely. Mr. Zack Peters. Yeah. It was it was a good episode. It really picked up right where it left off with Sonia face planting and you know, I'm still just going with it saying she's gonna knock Bethany out still like she really didn't skip a beat. No, I wish you would have knocked Bethany other this tribe. I love Bethenny, but I wish you would have at least like I want to like a swing or something. I wanted Barbara to like, you know, get the mud out and just like roll around with her like fart looks like she's been in a few mud fights ever she does, but she definitely seems so out of place and this group of women like a so bad. It doesn't get it. Yeah, and I love you know, Sonia's kissing Bethany's but like saying how grateful she has. It's just it's a great ass. She's thanks Clinton still an office like everything about it is fabulous. And I love the EMTs coming in and having to check her these guys are huh, but I love how like they don't come in discrete like they come in like as a hurry and they're like standing over the bed seven of them, right? Yeah of one frail older woman and there were like a four of them were like actual officers and two of them were like super like it was like a whole thing. It was definitely a lot and in the midst of it tensley. I'm Ramona were getting ready to go out and stabs that - Babs she got the snub would you go out if you had a girlfriend or a guy friend whatever, you know, I getting medical attention. I feel like Sonja has taken a few hits to the face. That'd be like. She's good. Like I'm gonna I'm gonna go have a drink. He's good like she you know, I don't blame them either one. My makeup on and I have an outfit on like I'm not there were no bruises. There were no red marks that were no, there's no blood like she she's taken plenty of hits to the face. She was definitely acting for you too. But yeah, those are the EMTs cleared her. They said her vitals were great. She was lovely and they also kind of mentioned like but they made a note like there's no drugs in her system like and whatnot. So that's a little a little tidbit for later. But then we have this fun night out with tensley a remote. Ona or so, we think and tensley starts to rehash the Scott stuff again and says that Miami reminds her of him. I mean she her credit was like where their first like long weekend getaway was but I mean, I saw your eyes roll to the back of your head when this happened at the bar. So what are your thoughts? I think anytime Tim's Lee is on my television screen my eyes roll into the back of my head, but I just think like I actually feel for the girl right now because she's just That one friend that like can't get over her ex and everyone like wants to shake her and you like delete his number and you block him and you like send him mean text messages from her phone and then block him like we've all been there with that friend. We've been that friend so I like feel for her but yet like we just need to like I like that Ramona jumped in and she's just like you need to have like other guys other options, which is kind of my strategy is like pretend it's a stove have multiple burners going on. You have one guy one pods boiling one's kind of simmering like, you know, make sure you keep the rotation going and I think that's what Tinsley needs I like that analogy so much better than the cocktails and the condiments that Ramona was using at the bar. I mean I get that she's being handy, but why that's actually really really good. I agree. I think you shouldn't keep all your eggs in one basket. No, but I mean, I don't know how long and of a span of time has their breakup been like it's still somewhat recent. I think I would say mom acts too much. Yeah, so Understand it like her still being in her feelings. And then I also I mean we don't know I don't think he cheated on her like I don't think he was abusive to her. So like I think it was one of those relationships that kind of just ended because you are growing in different directions and I feel like that's almost harder to get over somebody when they didn't do anything to really like make you angry. Yeah. I mean I based off of my analysis from what we saw on the show. I don't think he was ever a great guy for her because it never felt like he was genuinely interested in committing to her. He just kept her around which like kept her kept her hopes up exactly. It kept her wanting to or believing that something was actually going to come of this the fact that he was sending her pictures of engagement rings and like led her to believe that he was at one point going to ask her to marry him and he never did like, it just showed that he was jerking her around and those are some of the hardest ones to get over because like you held on to hope for so long that like, you still More in the back of your mind, you know you it Stockholm syndrome and you're like, okay at some point like, you know, he's gonna call me one day and he's going to tell me that he loves me and it's all going to turn around at some point and you still hold on to that. Hope because that's what your relationship was based off of ya and then we jump up we're gonna jump ahead a little bit with tensley her sister Dabney comes to the party. I think yeah. What a stupid name is Irina, that's not the best and find our mother spelled that wrong drunk too much morphine. But Dominique kind of left her with a good good also thing was he was a burden he was a weight on your shoulders. Like he brought you down like, you know, he's not someone that you should be like you should be out there and like socializing with literally a party full of men and she had her chance and she just couldn't couldn't do it was the hot one Tony was that his name Tony was hot. Tony was hot. Like I thought that's who Bethany was gonna set him up Bethany. Totally threw us for a loop on that would be that's when tins melee Tinsley needs to go downstairs and have a vodka. Like pretend she's a little drunker than she actually is give her a little more confidence and they're just like, oh my God, I accidentally fell into your lap. What how did you get inside me? How did this happen? Yeah. I mean she she should do that. She's single and he's hot like yeah Kinsley like you are like if Ramona and Sonja and Luann are just like full couch out like ready for a man like the Deadliest Catch then like Tinsley has no reason to not be out there with them. She's young and single and like Get it girl. Yeah, she should definitely be doing that and out of all the women that were at that party like she should have been the one to like have a guy come upstairs with her. She would have had multiple got like they would have all left Ramona and Sonja for her wouldn't even have to do too much know like just say hello and twirl her hair. Yeah laugh at their dumb jokes like yeah, she had it but going back to the next morning after the whole drunken Fiasco with Luann and whatnot. Luann goes about well, she wakes up demanding coffee. She's where's the help where's where's our people and then she's you know any yoga class. I mean the irony. Oh the irony that she's yelling at people for coffee so that she can get to her yoga class to Namaste like, oh my God. She's so crazy. Yeah, she is insane and and she kind of just isolates herself in the group altogether. I'm she even makes note that she heard. Heard about Sonia falling the previous night but chose not to say anything because how could I with everything that's true? So to me the night before no, I love her excuse where she was like, I heard Barbara came in and told me that Sonia felf and face-planted on to the floor and Ramona's like well, why didn't you go in and check on her? She's like because I didn't know she fell on the floor and like you just said you knew and you didn't go and check on her because I didn't want to because you really weren't that concerned not at all and and to pretend like you care. about her drinking habits or that you're going to invite her to AA because you think she has some type of problem this I think was kind of issue last year with Dorinda and the way on when Luann felt like she was on some high horse because she was sober and de Renda, you know, you're starting to turn where it's like you think just because you're not drinking you have the authority to call someone a drunk or say their alcoholic or whatever and like that's starting to come to light again with Sonja and I mean, yeah, Yeah, she got drunk but like I got drunk two weekends ago and Mexico to like it's not like I don't have a drinking yet. There's a difference between getting drunk and being a drunk and I actually don't know if I really believe that Luann is an alcoholic. I'm look I'm not one to question it and I'm not one to question anybody sobriety or alcoholism, but I think you know, I think she really ran with this and is turning it into a much bigger thing than it actually is. Yeah, you know and her now her preaching and trying to project this onto everybody. Around her it's like it's off-putting. Yeah, it really is and and Ramona goes out to talk to her too kind of like extend all of branch and she goes on and says the women don't support me. She just doesn't really seem she's not listening know that they don't support you. They spent five hours at Halloween show waiting for you to come out and sing. What's her song Money Can't Buy money can't buy you class. Oh my God. Yeah. I lip-sync money. Can't buy you class. Yeah. I just it's it's getting old for me at least. Least like I haven't been that big of a loo fan for a while and I'm like I've ever been a loser. Yeah. She just doesn't do it for me. I'm not like even this even more so is like proving my point as so like how just pretentious and condescending and nasty. She is it's just it's not it's not fun to watch. There's some people that could pull that off and are funny. Hence like a NeNe Leakes or something. But like she doesn't do this for me. There was a moment where like she was semi enjoyable and it was right after she got released from jail right after her home. Take a rest and like she'd you know Fell From Grace and then she was a little bit of like a normal person because she had to eat. She had to be humble. Yeah, she was humbled. They gave her a big giant not even a slice a whole pie to the face. Yeah, and you know now she is back and she has her Cabaret. She has her jewelry line like she has all these things that are going for her again and she has no reason to be you had to have any humility anymore. Yeah. I mean, I just love Bethenny making a little success look real bad. Like that's like I said it is, okay. One Cabaret that like you're touring around like no, you know when you're doing a Vegas Reagan residency 10 years after your show is ended then I will consider you successful when you're Brittany and Celine Dion and Lady Gaga and JLo, you know, then then we can talk about you being you know, this big success. So just to set the record straight. We don't think Sonja is spiraling down into darkness. No, I think Sonja is just one of those girls that likes to have a little too much fun sometimes. I don't think she is doing this like it's when you're drinking and getting blackout drunk regularly on a weekly basis. That's when it's more of an issue Sonia. Does this every once in a while while they're on vacation like I'm Legit empathize with her. Yeah. Yeah. That was me literally two weekends ago. It's like you're out of town you get there. You're excited. You're taking any drink that you're white and you're not really thinking fully you know, and it's yeah it's rare and she has like a full like she has a daughter that Putting through college to get she's a single woman. She doesn't have a man with her. She just had to give up her townhouse. She's in a new teeny tiny apartment. Like she's had a lot of life changes that I'm sure in prevented her from having a night out like this and to her defense as well. Like Sony has also someone that could like to three seasons ago. She wasn't drinking. Yeah. She wasn't, you know, she's not gave it up on that could just like go cold turkey. Yeah, but anyways before we move on guys, we just want to thank you so much for being a part of our AfterBuzz TV Community. 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But if you would like me to go to AA with you, that's something I will consider to support you as a friend not because I need it and I'm certainly not going to go this weekend because I'm on vacation and like screw you. And also like by the way while you're over here upset about what I said about you like you also need to you know, check yourself because you said some things about me that I didn't like either so we both going to be held accountable. Yeah, I totally agree and I also think that Sonja even in her like drunken State the night before was making very valid points and she was reiterating the same thing kind of to LuAnn in the next morning and it's just like yeah if you think that I am On pills or whatever like that's it you and me conversation not a you and the group and whoever else, you know, and she made also really good point of if I go and start telling people about you being on bills that puts you back in jail like yeah, so like just know the severity of that kind of a rumor like it just seems so the thing is LuAnn lacks complete self-awareness that like when everybody else is saying these things about her and they're all kind of thing the same thing and at the same time not just saying the same thing but have their individual. Bones to pick with her that fit under the same umbrella that everyone's accusing her of like at some point. You're like, okay, what's the common denominator here? Like let me look at myself and like maybe I am being a little pretentious. Maybe I am, you know coming off a little too haughty and like not being a supportive friend right now and not automatically turn it on everybody else and be like you guys don't support me and you want to see me fall. It's like everybody is had your back and supported you for several months now, like really you're going to throw that at them. I thought it was ridiculous. I There's just a time with anything in life. You just have to look inward at self-reflection, whether you're doing something wrong or not, like every couple of months. I take a time to look within I like doing mental, you know cleaning of the brain like there's just get a colonic. You gotta do it. Sometimes like clean out all your inside and when all your friends are mad at you you definitely have to do it. So it coffee enemas. Yeah coffee. I've never you are so cute. When would like to copy animus and she was screaming about coffee? Where's my coffee? Well, I hope you're right. Um, yeah, so I loved I love Sonja kind of getting her point across and being like very matter-of-fact about the whole thing. Yeah, but also just leaving it as a agree to disagree at the same time. Like I think that women are kind of coming to terms that no matter what they say Luann's not going to receive it. So they kind of just have to put it out there and just let it go and you know be cool with her, I guess surface-level friendship that's hard to do and it is glue and it is very hard to do and she just like wants everybody to like bow down to the queen and she said tonight. She like they always bring up the Countess thing and they say I'm the Countess and it's like no it's not even about the Countess anymore. It's just you Luann who's an awful person. I know you're not being a countess is out the window you no longer that girlfriend and I just kind of touched on this a little bit like Barbara just feels she just doesn't belong she goes for the run before we continue one of the ways we keep all these shows. You free is by our amazing sponsors. And today Spotify is one of our sponsors on Spotify. You can listen to all of your favorite artists and podcasts in one place for free. You don't even need a premium account Spotify as a huge catalogue of podcasts on every topic including the one you're listening to right now on Spotify. You can follow your favorite podcast. So you don't miss an episode premium users can even download episodes to listen to offline wherever they are and you can easily share what you're listening to with all your friends and following on Instagram if you haven't done so already be sure to download the Spotify app and Search for AfterBuzz TV on Spotify or browse podcasts in the your library tab. Also, make sure you follow us. You never miss an episode of AfterBuzz TV. She she comes back Ramona tells her that they're all going to hang out by the pool and it's just like the most awkward and uncomfortable encounter. Like I just Barbara is the is the tilapia at the Clambake like nobody wants it like why is this here? Because it was a cheap option that we just decided to put her on the plane. Baccala theater, yeah, why what like why is this even here right now? Yeah, that is a really sad, but true true definition of what she has to this group and I mean and and you could kind of see that the girls are trying to like let her know like this is only the beginning like during his like it hasn't got started Bethany's like this. This is just how we are and you can't really flow with it. So so yeah, and she didn't make it to the art thing, right? She was not at the art thing. I don't know why she wasn't here. Yeah, I just realized that when were white like at the end of the episode. She wasn't there. I wonder if they even invited her. Yeah, right. I didn't even notice. She wasn't that she had like three scenes and like none of them really had were yeah, they didn't know really no words in it like no purpose to have her at like I think what it is and Bethany even said at this episode to that like Barbara just doesn't really fit in with the group and I feel like I'd like the producers and the editor they all know that like she doesn't fit in. Let's have bath in the throwing a soundbite of Bethany saying it so we can slowly graduate. Yeah, like I things are done after the holder Enda Luann bickering at the beginning like I thought four episodes of her and then she's like out but like they actually were trying to really trying to give her as they were filming is that tilapia? That is a tilapia. That's a bottom feeder. I was like, that's all of you looks different than what I thought. Yeah. Well hi Barb, my bad. How you doing? And yeah, so then Ramona also mentions at the pool that she is. Well, she's throwing a party that evening. Hmm and she's inviting Mario to come to the party a little bit later. I'm she says there's no issue with her having Mario there and also inviting a flirt friend and I love that Bethenny pointed out the double standard and removes like ya know Ramona is just so funny that like she does these crazy things and it's just like you can't help but Appreciate for appreciate her for who she is like only she can invite her ex-husband with the intention of like leading him on with another guy when it's like this is the ex-husband that in case you forgot left you for a younger woman and then it didn't work out and now he's like lost in life and you think you're just going to like catch him back in like around a tilapia. Like I can't with her. She's so funny. I love it though. And then she's someone that is C. This is this Is a good example Luann and Ramona are both salt like not self-aware and right. She was on Watch What Happens and they caught an they did a poll like as being a narcissist worse, you're being unaware worse and everyone shows narcissus for land and like that is true. Like that is exactly Ramona because she is just as much as interest self as anybody else. She is, you know, she holds these double standards about men and relationships and stuff, but she is funny to watch that's the thing with Ramona it. He's all the things that Luann is. Yeah, but she is comic relief and she also probably a little too much but she knows when to apologize. Yes. Yes Luanne can never take accountability for anything. He could listen to yeah a friend that is hurt by her. Yeah. So I that's like a very good example, the two of them Luanne needs to see Teddy Mellencamp kind of accountability. Well speaking of someone that's a little bit too much into themselves the the Woman all go to see art except for Barbara apparently and as they're about to get out of the car. Ramona says, okay guys leaving. I'm going to meet some other friends at a bar. So typical me like why even the only reason she rode with them once to get the free ride? Yeah. Yeah. So but she missed out on a lot a lot. ER all the art art for Jesus Christ and who else got a queen the Queen Elizabeth Queen Mother Queen Mother. Barbara Bush Barbara Bush. Yes, you miss a little I look like it was a nice little Adventure a nice little Excursion again pointing to LuAnn being a little bit too self-centered when her friend Peter was giving out all the art pieces. She looked noticeably pissed that you didn't give her a gift and then she even said where's my gift? Yeah, like Bethenny didn't get a gift either and she's been ten Grand on herpes. Yeah. So like maybe you should spend some money with all that Cavalry man. Apparently God. Got a around house at the views pretty I mean for like a weekend, but yeah, it's like an air B&B for like a fun. Click Big Bear like you would a big bear for a weekend but like you don't want to live in Big Bear Escape too big but yeah, exactly. Yeah. Okay. So anyways, so now we're finally at this party Ramona's getting ready. She feels like it's prom night. She's super super pumped vision and white a vision and white Mario's First to arrive which is very eager to teach ya gets there first. It was a little uncomfortable and then it just went straight into flirting. Yeah, I mean, but the thing is like she's like we have chemistry and then like they have this Montage like them over the years which is so cringeworthy and awkward their chemistry is like when you have the red wire and the blue wire and you like for sit together to make a spark, but it like doesn't go and the spark is like so forced. That like they don't have chemistry but it's like kind of like a an admirable kind of relationship. That's like fun to still want to watch. It's definitely fun to watch. Do you think they might end up together? Yeah. I mean, I wouldn't be surprised I would say 80 20 80. There's an 80% chance it would probably get back together on a 20% chance that they don't and I think that they should not because I think like their relationship ended. Like they moved on from each other and I just I think when a relationship ends like you have to move on and like move into the next phase of your life and I think we're meant Ramona is now an independent woman and like you know, she I don't know. I don't really see them ending up with anybody else. I don't know. I was listening to this podcast and they were saying how like hypothetically speaking Ramona and their daughter Avery Avery has a child. She's a grant like there maybe later. Iran down the line a couple years. They're both still single. Like maybe they get back together for the grandchild. I don't know like it's like I don't think they'll go. Yeah, I told her to so I mean, I don't know looks great as her age. I'm more realistic outcome would probably be Mario finding a younger woman. Okay, not a young woman but a younger woman like hate 40s, is there what they're in their 60s, right? Yeah late 40s, maybe early 50s. I think that may be a little old for him. I think he would want like mid to late 40s liked it. His age and and they're happy together and Ramona. I unfortunately don't see her with anyone other than Mario. I think that's her best bet but I don't want have my like I want her to have want more but I think she's in love with him because he's not good for her. Yeah because he hurt her and like, you know, she needs to have some self-respect. I do would say like the the way that they're able to co-parent even with their daughter being so much older like there's really no reason for them. I mean there is because they do have a daughter but like she's older like I'm sure she'd understand if her parents like didn't speak to one another but I will I do respect their like co-parent modern dynamic. Yeah, I like that exactly and then another question before we move on with this franchise be as good if all the women were like married and had younger like I feel like I know what makes New York great as they're single. They're partying they're older. They're a little bit more like worldly because you look at it, like look at Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. Yes. It's a completely different Dynamic and Los Angeles. Your car to completely different cities and the women in and of themselves are different but like they're all married and they're all you know have kids and like they you know, they don't get crazy drunk when they go on trips. They go to Provence and they have a rose and I didn't have one too many glasses and and laugh till they see themselves to sleep over the ways that they do get drunk is just more like girlfriends having fun with each other and not like including yeah, man around or whatever. Yeah, we're like this one. We appreciate and I also I think that like, you know, I know Housewives the franchise gets a lot of crap, but I also think like this shows women that are older that are still able to date still able to go out and have a life and it goes to show that like your life doesn't end after 29, you know, if after your 30s is life after divorce his life after a lot of things. Yeah. I think these women are definitely there like this show will go down in his New York especially will go down in like history. It's it'll be like the modern or future Golden Girls it is red it is I mean, they're great. But yeah, I mean they're at this party with literally all these men Ramona made a very strict rule about the men to women ratio laughter this party which I respect. I respect that but like you got to take one home. Yeah, I don't I wonder if anybody got lucky. I don't think so. I don't think so either Luann really tried with Tony swooping at its he also seemed like he was 24 years old. He right he did like say next to the Renda like she looked like his mother like it. Just did not feel right. No, he looked way too. I mean, but he could be like a really young like 30 ish like early 30s. He's definitely not mid 30s, which I think is way too young for them. Yeah, but 30s is way too young for them. But I mean they don't think so. I mean maybe for a night. Yeah, and I think that's the goal. Yeah the goal but Luann definitely swooped in on another one estonia's Sonia's people. I can't yeah, and she The guy that she was talking to is also use kind of good-looking her friend Luann's friend. Yeah. He was a bad. Yeah. I kind of wonder what yeah. I'm just curious how everything happened. Um, I mean, I think anything better than Tom anything is better than Tom a lot of things are better than Tom and so yeah Sonya goes on this blurt like vomit of the mouth spray around Mario first. She tells Mario that Ramona has a date coming good for her and yeah, I was here for it. It Ramona tries to deny it and play it down a little bit, but we know that he was a real date. Yeah, and they introduced they get introduced to one. Another is very awkward Kevin the day event kind of walked away uncomfortably. Well, yeah because I think at that point he realized he was just like a pond and Ramona scheme. Yeah Cat Mario. Yeah, and then Mario also was kind of like he I don't even think he looked at him when he shook his hand. No because I think he went there with the intention of thinking like him and Ramona we're going to like he was romantic date. I think he taught the way he walked in the way he came early walks in complimented her on her outfit like right when he got there like he believed that yeah. Hey, she had different and then his response to when he found out about the guy and he found out about her making out with Harry. Yeah other guy like his whole response like he just kind of crawled. Here's like a crowd that just crawled back into his shell and he was like mortified. Yeah, the Harry The Hairy one is I think maybe the more disgusting 1/2 because he probably knows is Harry and it's just like really I was a Biba's husband and so had hooked up with him. Yeah. Yeah. So the hairy thing was definitely and Sonia course spilled the beans about that too. And I love how Ramona try to like. No. No you were yeah your story is like know you loved it. Yeah. I mean, do you have anything that party was pretty it was a pretty awesome party it And I loved it. Like even though Tinsley had a crime scene like it didn't last like 10 minutes long like all her other crying Susan and her sister is like having her sister that helped. Yeah. Okay cool. Let's go ahead and move into some news and gossip. Okay guys. So first things first there is some nasty talking's in the street about our girl Bethenny Kelly Bensimon claims Bethenny Frankel didn't care. R if she miscarried with her daughter Bryn an excerpt from her talk with out in the wild podcast obtained by don't the done radar our line horse Kelly slams Bethenny for allegedly ignoring her pregnancy issues during the filming of scary Island. She goes on to say she was pregnant the entire time and she was having serious issues with her unborn child bran, and she's flying back and forth pretending to film with her dying father in LA, but They just filming in the car and never saw him says Vince mom and I'm like you want me to film with this woman that doesn't even care about her kid and her stomach. She's like, oh if I miscarriage whatever Bensimon says that she was shocked Frankel continued to film despite scary medical crisis. She was having serious serious complications and just didn't and I'm sorry and I just don't understand why we were filming and why she was even there and st. John. Kelly Bensimon just needs to go away why plaque get her off of my screen close that Tab and never go back like she's the you know, the annoying porn pop up that like keeps coming up on your screen. You're like, I looked at porn one time in 2007. Why do I still have pop ups like go away? I can't stand Kelly Bensimon and I didn't understand her whole story when she's just like, you know, Bethenny was putting her baby in danger by flying back and forth even though she wasn't really flying back and forth. So then I was like, how is she Putting her baby in danger, then you would be more on like she's like people just don't get me no like oh God also, like Bethenny also came out and claim that all this is false. Yeah, but I also just don't understand the whole bitter house X housewife thing. Like when you're off the show you're off the show like you trying to make a story line for yourself or anything like that. It's just so unnecessary to me see but I don't even think she's contrived enough to think of making press like I think she just Says stupid stuff and like, you know I'm saying it's gonna get picked out of the shiba. He's gonna get picked up and this podcaster props for the podcaster sent out a press release and like got it out there. Yeah moving on you have some news. I do have some news. So Radar Online hasn't got a battle of Radar Online has reported that there's going to be a major cast shake-up for next season on Real Housewives of New York and that they are currently casting new women are Reviewing new women to potentially cast next season so they said that Bethany Sonia duranta and Tinsley are definitely safe moving into the new season and the two that are potentially on The Chopping Block are Luann and Ramona what? Yeah, so they're saying that Luann because of her recent run-ins with the law and violating her probation that they're concerned that she's becoming too much of a liability. I could see that and so they're considering not bringing her back and then Ramona they're saying she her story lane. Has run its course and they're ready to mix things up the same way they did when they got rid of Jill and Alex and all of those. Oh geez, I mean Ramona is like the OG of New York though. You can't like boot her a little and I totally understand. Yeah. Well, then I'm here for and I think I'm curious as to why tensley's on The Chopping Block like I think she's young and they also said that the women that they're currently interviewing our friends of Tinsley and Bethany Dave. Yeah, if they keep telling me around they have Bring a friend of hers because I think her storyline is tired. I think they're trying to reinvigorate the cast and bring in some younger women, which I understand but like how many times have we tried to bring in the younger women and it just never works out like who is that Kristen? Taekman? That was a hot mess. No, I need we need to keep Ramona Let's Lose Lou and bring in a friend of tensley. Yeah, I think that was the game. Yeah, I think that would be smart. I think we can definitely get rid of loo. Like I don't Any of that nobody likes her anymore? Nobody likes her. I'm tired of the Cabaret. If we I don't think other season with Cabaret have not going to be here. I don't think people even like her damn Cabaret. No, I think they go for like the the the fun of it like to say that I went to Luann's Cabaret Luann from Real Housewives of New York City. I mean coming from Leanne she sings to songs other people seeing other songs, it's not it's not worth the money. Let's jump into some prediction. AfterBuzz TV predictions. All right. So I mean we saw in this the trailer for next week, but I think all them are going to like literally leave it all out there for Lou let her know what the happening is and she's still just not going to receive it. And I think this is going to carry on the reunions. I think it's going to be bad blood all the way around and yeah, I mean, I'm looking forward to it's gonna be really great drama, but I just I really wish That Luann would just like take a step back and like see and also it sounds like Bethenny outs her about drinking. Yeah, so it I mean, I feel like this is Tom all over again. And this is the issue we run into with Luann every single season is that like there's something that she just does not want to face and like trying to get her trying to convince her of it is like yelling at a brick wall because it's not going to change. Yeah, you know, this brick wall just happens to have lots of boa feathers and jewels draped on their honey and Giovanni. And really ugly statement necklaces and I think it's time for her to like really look at herself in the mirror and realize like if all of your friends are saying this it's probably not because you're successful and they want to tear you down. It's probably because they're your friends and they're looking out for you. Yeah. Yeah the same way they looked out for you when they dragged you back into rehab last summer. Yeah, I agree. I agree. I think yeah, I think it's definitely going to come to a head but I don't know and I feel bad like I want Bethany's having like a breakdown. Yeah. Bethany I don't know though, but she making it about herself like this. One moment. Where she like I don't know. No, I don't think she's I don't I my prediction is that I don't think she's going to make it about herself. I think she just finally reached that limit. Okay, because she was one of the people that like really helped pick her up off the ground when she fell I think there was a little bit of hope that like, there's going to be some Redemption. There's going to be some gratitude like there's gonna be some there's an ounce of humanity in this person and she's going to like have a She's going to have that she's going to have an epiphany and she's actually going to realize that like she needs to change her behavior. And I think this was Bethany's breaking point where she finally realized like you're not going to have an epiphany. You're not going to have a turning point and you know here I have extended myself for you and you didn't care about me ever. That's true. I totally forgot the like amount of investment Bethany put into getting Lou to the place in which you it was as I don't know. Yeah. Well like going through her issues with Dennis like her and Dennis were on and off and she was engaged. And she was hiding it and you know, and then he died and like she you know, Luann was like never there for her at all last year. Yeah, I get it. I get it. I'm looking forward to it. Yeah, it's gonna be a good episode and we're going to be so good. Fuck. Yes. I'm so glad that you came and joined me guys. We will be here again next week. I am Chelsea stuck Jones. You could find me on Instagram @ C underscore S Jones and everything else. I'm doing at Chelsea Star Jones.com. Get away. Yeah, I'm Zach Peter. Thank you for having me back this week Chelsea. Yeah, I know lien will do a fantastic job taking it back next week. You can follow me at just plain Zach or even listen to two of my Cast Tuesdays I have hashtag adulting life hacks get your shit together and Wednesdays. I have hashtag no filter with Zach Peter and some of my former Vanderpump Rules after show panelist have been on that one. So Chelsea's gonna have to come back soon. We took a lots of Bravo dish. So check those out on iTunes Spotify Stitcher. I Heart Radio all the places and follow me and just plain Zach. Yes guys. Again. Thanks a lot for coming by and we will see you guys next week later our founder Keven undergaro and me Maria Menounos would like to thank you for Tuning in to AfterBuzz TV remember, we're not just the first where the biggest in the world and we're the only destination for all your favorite TV shows whatever you crave. We've got it. So go to AfterBuzz tv.com check out our lineup buzz you later. 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Chelsea Stark-Jones and guest Zach Peter break down Part 2 of the New York Housewives trip to Miami. LuAnn continues to neglect the women’s concerns over her arrogance, Tinsley gets in her feelings, and Ramona finds herself stuck between two lovers. ABOUT THE REAL HOUSEWIVES OF NYC AFTER SHOW: To a certain group of people in New York, status is everything...and with status comes plenty of drama to unpack on THE REAL HOUSEWIVES OF NEW YORK CITY AFTER SHOW. We’ll recap all the buzz-worthy moments from the show, from the fabulous to the fights from our favorite Big Apple ladies. Tune in here for ALL the tea as we review, recap and provide in-depth discussions of the latest episodes! Who knows! You might just see some familiar cast member faces. ABOUT REAL HOUSEWIVES OF NYC: The Real Housewives of New York City (abbreviated RHONY) is an American reality television series that premiered on March 4, 2008 on Bravo. Developed as the second installment of The Real Housewives franchise, following The Real Housewives of Orange County, it has aired seven seasons and focuses on the personal and professional lives of several women residing in New York City. The series originally focused on LuAnn de Lesseps, Bethenny Frankel, Alex McCord, Ramona Singer, and Jill Zarin. The eighth season lineup of housewives will consist of de Lesseps, Frankel, Singer, Sonja Morgan, Carole Radziwill, Dorinda Medley, and newcomer Jules Wainstein. Of the original housewives, Frankel initially left after the third season before returning for the seventh; McCord and Zarin left after the fourth season; and de Lesseps was a friend of the housewives in the sixth. The remaining housewives joined in later seasons: Morgan in the third, Radziwill in the fifth, Medley in the seventh, and Wainstein in the eighth. Other housewives include Kelly Killoren Bensimon (seasons 2–4), Cindy Barshop (season 4), Aviva Drescher (seasons 5–6), Heather Thomson (seasons 5–7), and Kristen Taekman (seasons 6–7).

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Audio horoscope for Cancer season cancer season extends between June 21st and July 22nd. And this is the time of year when the sun is shining in the part of the sky that we call cancer and for the Leo solar chart cancer rules the 12th house or the space. That's just behind your identity. Whatever is just behind the identity is considered invisible. So this part of the chart Rules all things that are unknown that are mysterious that have been forgotten hidden from view. This is the place where we find information about spiritual guide spiritual forces faith faith in the unknown ghosts resonances or feelings vibrations that you know that they're there but you can't really see them or grasp them in any kind of conscious or direct way. So this is an energy that is quite large too large to be explained or understood and in that way we can also understand this place in the chart as culture something that is too large to really be seen or understood by anyone at any given time because what is culture it's this inter permeation of all things that have ever happened everywhere and all things that are happening presently kind of colliding together. So A potent and Powerful place in your chart that is being illuminated for the next 30 days with the sun here wherever the sun is shining. It's bringing more Consciousness. So you can think that over cancer season. There is more Consciousness in the unconscious pay attention to your dreams notice your intuition. Look for symbols. Listen for signs. You have some access to the liminal spaces right now and To connection with what otherwise is ephemeral and fleeting as a really good time for you to practice any kind of sacredness or spiritual connection that brings you into closer relationship with your Intuition or with your unconscious self to great time again to to pay attention to your dreams and to work with any allies for journeying in dreams or in the unconscious spaces. when the sun comes into cancer it begins to illuminate the planetary energies of Mars and Mercury also both in cancer and traveling quite close together throughout the summer Mars and Mercury have just formed a conjunction a couple of days before the sun enters the sign and this is bringing a lot of power and attention into this part of the chart Mercury is the mental aspect how we can think and communicate and give a language Mars is our initiation our desire force and what we will take action for so these planetary energies are also stimulating this large space of the invisible and the unconscious giving you more agency in this space more access to your unconscious to deep patterns. And finally the North Node is in this part of the chart in the North Node is where eclipses happen or what are the places where Eclipse has happened and I'm going to be talking about this and a little bit as I get in. The month ahead but this signifies that you are in a moment of pretty profound change and evolution in your unconscious. And what I take that to mean is that your unconscious is becoming more conscious that you are becoming increasingly aware of your power with Mars. They're of your mind and how your mind has been shaped with Mercury there and of your kind of basic Essence and Radiance with the sun there as well as your evolutionary. Seneschal with the North Node there and I think that any living being is on an evolutionary path. We all have our own circumstances to work with but we also have the opportunity to awaken and to awaken to our conditioning to kind of get out of programming and brainwashing that come through in our DNA and our cultural influences and our familial influences Etc. And you have quite A lot of access into understanding or greater awareness of these habits and patterns and some pretty significant shifts throughout this month the day that the sun enters cancer. There are significant aspects in the places of the chart that relate to work your day-to-day work as well as your career and path a lot of emphasis is being put towards I think what you are trying to influence or affect in the old right now and how you influence and affect in the world has everything to do with how you are in relationship with the world. It's very important for you to be receptive right now and to be soft in that receptivity to allow yourself to not come to Quick conclusions, but be open to suggestion. So if information comes in the form of feedback or your perceptions, really Except with it give yourself some time to feel into what is being asked of you as a relational being your creativity and what it is that you're offering in the world and creative energy is just basic Life Energy whether or not you're working on Creative projects. It's your personal expression is something that is really in Focus throughout the month. And again how you're offering into the world deserves your time and attention with the kind of feedback that you're giving and Please be gentle with yourself. But also receptive as we get into the month of cancer season the first week or so, June 21st through really July 2nd. So a little bit over a week, there are a number of aspects that are bringing a fair amount of energy into the chart. And so some people are going to feel this as energizing exciting and Fun and other people are going to feel this as agitating and frustrating and maybe scary on June 23rd and 24th Venus makes a number of somewhat uncomfortable aspects and these aspects for you again are stimulating this kind of sense of needing to receive feedback in a way that is soft more symbolic than didactic and receptive on a deep level. Level, so there's something that you want to be applying yourself for and certain ways that you are trying to express yourself out into the world and you're doing that you're working really hard at the same time. I think you're probably quite sensitive to feedback right now. And therefore it's necessary for you to really take time with it. Don't don't jump to conclusions in. Any direction, you know try and be as kind of dispassionate and not attached as you can and really seek to listen deeply to yourself around what it is that you're offering when you're offering from a place of true self expression authenticity and centeredness, then you can expect a fairly good result. If you're offering from a place of over attentiveness on your audience or trying to figure out you know, what people want how you're going to sell it to them that kind of thing. Thing you might stumble into the detriment of Leo which is living outside of its own Center being in more of a performative and less authentic space. But on June 26th Mercury enters your sign and this means that the planet of thought and communication comes into your identity space and as mercury enters the sign it's also moving into its storm and so on June 28 Mercury begins What's called the storm and That is the period of time that precedes Mercury retrograde Mercury will station retrograde on July 7th at 4 degrees of Leo. So check your chart and see where your son is or rising sign is what degree it's at and any other important placements that you have in the first five degrees or so of Leo and these planets will be specifically emphasized with this retrograde Mercury will travel back into cancer. Sir, and back to 23 degrees of cancer, which it reaches on August 2nd, which is when it turns direct so from the 26th through the seventh, excuse me, the 28th through the 7th Mercury's in its storm. And this is the period of time when the Mercury retrograde cycle is the is what at one of its strongest points. So all of the things you think about with Mercury retrograde be careful slow down be really mindful of your Indications it's best not to initiate new projects at this time. It's best not to sign important documents or make important purchases. If something has already begun you can go through with it. And if you need to go through with something, but you're feeling like you don't have all the information do what you can to slow down and get as much information as you possibly can give yourself as many Clauses or amendments to any agreement that allowed Ow you to change your mind later. If you need to specifically these parts of your chart have to do with your self-expression your sign the first house Leo and your kind of unconscious more. I want to say like what influences you in a larger kind of emotional sense. So big questions around your identity with the Summers Mercury retrograde how you want to be Putting yourself out into the world how you want to be seeing how you want to be perceived on July 1st, Mars enters your sign and Mars will travel through Leo until August 19th. And as Mars comes into your sign, there's more and more energy for you to be putting yourself out now Mars can have an aggressive tendency to it and in relationship to what I've already talked about so far in this month's transits. I just want to I emphasized that it's important for you to be receptive with Mars in your sign. There can be kind of an urgency or a quickness to act for The sulfur to put this off out in more of an assertive or aggressive way. This isn't necessarily a bad thing. You are definitely putting yourself out quite a lot right now as I mentioned there's a lot of emphasis on your creative output from any of you for your career as well. So you can definitely use this energy. And you can use it positively but it is a very important that you are receptive and that you keep channels of communication open so that you know, what works and what doesn't when you put something out specifically what works and what doesn't work for you and if you're putting yourself out in a certain way again that is uncentered or destabilize where you're really striving for something but not really listening to what's authentic you won't get as good of a response as if you might be a little bit more. Gentle with your approach but really listening deeply to what wants to come out from your center from your heart on July 2nd. There's a solar eclipse at 10 degrees of cancer. This eclipse is again occurring in the part of the chart that has to do with the unknown and the unconscious. This is also the part of the chart where we can access spiritual allies and ancestors. So for this eclipse make it a special day. This is a new moon. It's a really good. I am to Mark a new beginning and the new beginning can have something to do with how you relate to the unconscious to the unknown to the spiritual vastness that you can imagine. And again with your spiritual allies and ancestors would be a really good new moon to make an ancestors altar to go out into nature to connect with the Stars to connect with sacredness. And whatever way is Meaningful for you and set intentions for the upcoming. Twelve months and how you want to be in relationship to these forces. However, you think of these forces on July 3rd Venus enters cancer and it will Transit through cancer until July 29th Venus is a planet of magnetism love and sweetness. Again. This is bringing more stimulation into the 12th house. This is the place of the unknown the Unseen. It's also the opposite of the 6th house in the chart in This is the place that has to do with your daily efforts in your day-to-day efforts. There's a message here that when you apply your day-to-day efforts with a gesture of love to all that is unknown, you get positive results. And so again, I really want to emphasize the importance all the time. But especially this summer in this month of coming from a place of heartfulness and centeredness and really taking the time to consider how Whatever it is that you're putting out into the world has a larger effect in a larger Ripple and when you put out from a place of Love, you'll receive back love and I'm going to guess that that's probably something that you want on July 8th Mercury and Mars from a conjunction in Leo. There are several aspects with Venus and the sun in cancer that day to various points on the chart and this is also the day that Chiron turns retrograde so The couple of days before July 8th and a couple of days after including very much the 9th, which I'll talk about in a second are days that could bring some intensity into your world intensity here might feel like a vague emotional intensity crankiness agitation. It could be a lot of busyness or a lot of information that's coming into your Consciousness on July 9th. We have the first quarter Square in Libra. And the sun in cancer opposes Saturn in Capricorn for you these parts of the chart have a lot to do with again how you're putting yourself out how you're communicating what your intention is the intention that underlies the output these couple of days. You definitely want to take it easy give yourself enough space to pause reflect take deep breaths move slowly move with consideration and really try and act in alignment. Here at most Integrity Chiron will turn retrograde as I mentioned on the 8th, its retrograde through mid-December and the part of your chart that has to do with teaching publishing broadcasting long distance travel and higher meanings. How you make meaning out of your life. Chiron is a healing influence. It's the way that we understand our psychological conditioning. We come into a space of understanding as we gain the tools for understanding we are we also gained the tools for healing and educating others. This is the figure of the Wounded healer that you may have heard me talk about our other astrologers talk about this is influence for you to work with over the course of these next five or six months to really think about the way that you embody your personal - and your personal Journey Leo as a sign can tend towards or Trends towards Facade and performance and there can be a kind of striving for some grandiosity Leo assumes a lot of responsibility. It's a sign that can be quite controlling particularly around its desire for impact which is often coming from a really good place like a desire to make other people happy to be the life of a party to bring joy somewhere, but I really want to encourage you to reflect on the ways that you grow the ways that you heal and the ways that that you're human and the more that you can accept your flaws and shortcomings and really love yourself in them. The more that you can then be a person in the world who can hold space for the complexity of other people and exude through your energy a quality that is healing and rejuvenating to be around. This is really important for all of you on any kind of path, you know, where you're trying to make a meaning out of your life. This is not a Time to Pretend This is not a time for flamboyance or spiritual speculation. This is a time to really listen in deeply and as much as you can come from a place of utmost authenticity, don't try and be anything that you're not on July 14th, the sun in cancer opposes Pluto in Capricorn Capricorn rules your solar sixth house of jobs day-to-day work and health. There may be reflection at this time around how you You're using your energy again in your day-to-day and your schedule in your tasks, but also with your body and with your health. If you are getting messages around this time that some way that you're behaving structuring your life or treating your body is not actually appropriate as not bringing Wellness into your life. You are primed right now to make some big changes and make some big shifts and on July 16th. We'll have a full moon and lunar. Eclipse in Capricorn in this part of your chart and that day Venus in cancer will also be opposite to Saturn in this axis of the chart. So this lunar eclipse is a really good time to let go of bad habits. If you're a person who over works if you treat your body in a destructive way, if you are filling your day-to-day with influences that you know are not serving your best interest and best intent let them go ritualize it make a ceremony but be Be disciplined be fierce now is the time when you're ready to grow. So let go of what's keeping you back finally on July 21st, which is the last day of cancer season Venus in cancer opposes Pluto in Capricorn and the Sun and Mercury form a conjunction at the very last degree of cancer. So this is an added emphasis around your evolutionary capacity and the necessity for you to be as real as you possibly can. The thing is is that when you're real you connect to your spiritual Essence your guides can easily work with you. They're not trying to work through a facade or misunderstanding that you are maintaining with the sun coming together with Mercury. We start a new Mercury cycle that will extend through November 11th. And the last degree of cancer. This cycle is very much about your becoming your personality and how you bridge the space between the larger. Ur, feeling of yourself kind of your essence and then this more Earthly manifestation of your personality and identity there's a lot that you want to be bringing through your body your voice your face your work your gestures your Expressions you want to be bringing something through that you are proud of that you believe in and again as coming right from your Center, please meditate on your heart this month it's a really important space for you to continue to align with To learn more about cancer and how its behaving in the chart. Please do listen to embodied astrology for cancer season give you a lot of tips there around how to access this energy and work with it. Thanks again for listening. Bye for now.

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You can just give us a brief summary of your great and long career. Okay. Well, let me tell you Marshall. Is it being a tremendous opportunity to go back in in what western church of have said, you know, if you don't know history, you don't know the future. Okay, right for the history is very simple. The first time I met pigs in my life of 1954. I were 14 and a farm with a hundred thousand or not. Get I got very excited about it. I'm from there. I'm still sitting here. With the pigs. Okay, right and chili was nothing on pigs. And then I had the opportunity to do my animal science agronomist in Chile. Then I went to the US for a master's degree in animal science and University of Minnesota. And and I finished my doctor's degree in 1965 75 and I would like to tell you you know that when I arrived. to the US It was completely different from what you see today. I imagine hey, okay Bailey. No biosecurity not whatsoever. No shower in we could go to the farms, you know be out of the farm after the car with a shoes getting in in the barn General and get it genetic for purebreds. You know, the three typical three break cross. And nutrition was simple and it was very very very backwards in the tent of God backwards in the in the city was historically what we had. Okay, right. So it was it was something that it were thinking how much we have done from those time. Looking forward to being a Nutrition is in Minnesota. I had a second - field which is reproduction and debate school. So I was excited with reproduction you see and I was lucky and I've been very lucky to meet people on my own my work and It's I remember, you know, I had a professor in the vegetable called Bob grabow from Sweden. He started in the University with a i. Very very long time ago. We use the rubber spider, you know one week seven eight some of its out and school in animal science and I were very excited about what we can do, you know with artificial insemination. And then going with from there. You see we start seeing, you know, genetic companies coming in. To develop New Frontiers in genetic Improvement that we need to have more HP Richard who was phc genetics of Edinburgh went to the University of Minnesota and gave a talk about genetics. You're saying no to three white cross. I wanted to remind everyone were very very excited about it. So I was lucky that as I went through my life. It's starting to change. So what I said to myself you have to be aware that the things that are changing you have to be on it not behind you have to be so next. I came back to trailer. There was no Jenna. Headaches none very mm. Yeah. I think what being an impressionist without genetics or better Improvement in genetics. The pleading was something that works. Important on the con side but we have to feed animals that have some genetic Improvement. So I went to many companies in the us to bring genetics to Chile and then I decided to go to the UK and we came out with a daughter nucleus or Pi see the part that stalkers work Spring Green, Wisconsin. Now I had it on the table nutrition genetics, but not help helps with the problem. But we were yes, we were food and most positive and hope cholera positive. Oh well, so being in virus or viruses that really wants to challenge a challenge we have to get rid of it. So on the on the app on their foot and mouth disease. we were very lucky to have a doctor touch it with kirino from Spain to come to Chile and he got the principles of getting put about by yourself chili and now he's working with you know, he was the man that took out after confront fever from Spain many years back and now he's still working in Spain with us or call her and you know, What's another thing? He did the same. You know, how color works? Okay, and we get rid of it. And now we have been for years three of those two wires. So I learned from the side of the eradication that you can do it with the right principles of technology and discipline ending disease problem. We had first the first time and Steve Henry came in prey. Man and help us and we eradicate first afterwards we go to another first Pirates and we have only today one Farm we viruses of that Soul. So I'm very proud that we could work with the government, you know to get the animal to three. Okay. So now we have notation. Genetics people and environment. Those are the things that we are looking forward. Okay. Let me tell you another thing that is important. I think with we had open-minded in the sense that what we started and everything was going okay. We invited many people from the u.s. To visit us and really all the companies in the u.s. Came to see us many. Many experts rotation and veterinarians of Technology people and helped us a lot. So what do we did we said there's so many things. We don't know. Let's bring people who knows and help us, right. So it was a tremendous opportunity, you know to have so many people coming in and learning from them and we are now a country with high production. Very nice. No, that's that's always I always got amazed going back and and listening to this story. You know, it's always helpful. Like you said to know that he you know this history and to understand the future one question there Gonzalo if you can dive a little deeper on the history and evolution of swine reproduction and the exchange Knowledge between South America and North America over the last few decades. Well, yes as I told you, you know what grabow started with, you know, very simple system and then my team Ryu from Google's in Spain came to see us and he starts showing her the way we could do Ai and the way we did it, you know where the spider we had a thousand thousand with 50 more hours you work. The ratio of 20 to 120 wonder if it was a tremendous amount. Of course, there were other words from the US Pi T. And we are there that it would better, you know, yeah, I and then the board will wear less and we have his dungeon intense game. Well, so for many years we go on with the system, you know, he worked on the cervical e Nature and not the ones we do today. So what do we learn? We learn that if we have the right the right system and we collaborate with education how to do it is fantastic. The thing is conditions come to the genetic side genetics have changed tremendously. The subsystem the psalter totally different from four years ago, right? Oh also the Perpetual insemination and reproduction has changed tremendously. Now, we we instead of using 3 billions sperms. We use one and a half or less with introducer insemination. Now why we were strolling on assured to come up with new things because we have relation. Relations with people who were doing it. Well, very good. And then we went there we learn people from Spain came in with intrauterine insemination and There's no different from the the other one and maybe today we have a single insemination time single and to manage. We don't do it here now, but you will so in reproduction everything goes to the issue of guilt development genetics indexing the right genetics so we can extract the value of the genetics biosecurity of a seaman coming in and also, Porch is nutrition. Rotation of the the new jeans coming in is different you remember Marshall 30 20 years ago the backtrack the way we're totally different today. We have a tremendous differences in how we're feeding the Sun and cancer state has helped tremendously. You were there and many others. Really flowers from North Carolina and others, you know from the US has been a tremendous guy. Go on following the genetic Improvement on the guilt side, you know short function of GDP patterns of come from Canada. UNESCO burden and many others T. So, what are we doing? We extracting the best information put it to work with the best genetics and come out today with a tremendous opportunity to arrive to production figures. That are very very good. What else you need an introduction? I think the best thing is look at the index do the checking or boards and the guild do the tremendous work of George Fox Trot little more region, which is tremendous so you can upgrade your guilt coming from your nuclear site. So it's a bunch of think it's not reproduction per se it just many things that have to be account and many people They can help very good. Well that makes sense. And one thing that I would like to ask you. Dr. Gonzalez is that we talk a lot about pigs on this podcast, but a key element of course is people and see if you had to hire someone to work in a farm today. What characteristics would you be looking for? Okay. I think that the number one issue today worldwide, you know people first of all, you know, let me tell you that today. We have side one with 58 thousand thousand twelve thousand thousand thousand thousand Family Farms, you know, we have come to a tremendous growth in the numbers of South place. So you imagine What kind of people would like to be working in a system which is so condensed you have to start with that people who are never been in existence. So completely uniform and block that has to be knighted value. He has to be a man that really wants to be there, you know with with tremendous gift. So first of all, I would say everyone is welcome everyone. You have to be good enough to choose who were the man there's no distinction of anything anything and once you talk to them and ask them where they come from why they came if they're excited about being part of the team. And tell them they are the basic of productivity. There's no way you're going to be producing without the right people. So today we're going to a farm this different ages nationality every day. So the staff members. Inside the fight has to be enough. Compromise that the everyone is equal everyone has that opportunity and everyone has a clear career, you know to grow with the system and the system is the company and what are we doing with that is we are investing, you know in whom and human value. I think that that's that's the number one issue human values. Okay. It's what I think. Number one issue and if someone gets problems, you know, we have to go there and help if someone doesn't look happy what's going on and teach them teach them slowly and patient the basics don't give him a man on this big. You know, right? Remember the man was very very big day when we need we need a compromise of what we do. Days, okay, so who can come in and work the doors open who has to select is the man that understand human being okay. Very nice makes sense makes sense looking at the the characteristics there and you know, not only the skills the skills. You can teach right you're looking more at the inherited behavior of people absolutely, you know, that's a that's a good friend in in the US Larry: With a DVM maybe, you know him being very very on that side. You know, what do we need what we have to do with people and so on Larry I know him very well. I'm terribly motivated. But if you know what you're thinking so correct Me In Stocking density of gifts before breeding how we're going to show that why You gonna show it this way is because guilds, you know today our number one issue in the park. So we have to have a way to say things not a piece of paper. We have to show them and help them to understand why we do those very good. Well the last question I have to your doctor Gonzalo before we move to our three questions that we ask every guest every episode is you have seen Pig Production all over the world. What is one thing that the best Farms do that? The other Farms could emulate or copy look I take to have a very good system. You know, you have to have a very good staff member. Understand a bit of of the people who tradition guilt and everything. I think what we need today and it is what I'm going to say. We need to improve our productivity by using data data is number one issue. If you don't have data it's going to be very difficult to set up a system to let's say we have a problem reproduction, you know, if you don't have the data in front, it's going to be very difficult for someone to come in. You know and try to Gary Roy data is very important. And I think we have systems, you know, like I could start and others, you know, that breaks a lot of data and comparison of data. If you look at the u.s. Another's 25% of the herds the average of and hurts of they need to go forward and be part of a dead person hurts more with we have to do. How we do it by data analysis without data analysis very difficult really to set up a priority system to get things done. I love it. That's great. The truth is precision swine production is not the future. It's the present every pig is the intelligent Pig Health platform. It is a simple yet powerful Pig health and production management tool request a free 20 minute. Minutes demonstration at www.abracadabrasuperstore.com. It is time to our famous. All right, so jump into our trick questions doctor Gonzalo that we ask every guest. The first one is what is your favorite swine book mordicai production system mortified big production. Very nice addition was to cut out here to solve. Okay, perfect. Very interesting. That was definitely a revolution right when people went from continuous flow to multi-site horse. And I think those things you know has an m&a and the name is Tom Alexander Anchorage and I think had it but working with PHP in don't years so and now he's retired, but I think we Have to to think you know that this kind of people and there's hundreds of people in all over the world who have made tremendous contribution to The Big Industry agreed. Very good. What would be your favorite book unrelated to pigs? Okay, Tom Friedman. Thank you for being late. It's called with publishing 19 2016 8 years to fully surprised. He was two months ago back program here in Chile giving a talk and he says thank you for being late for the name of the phone and he said in the meeting don't believe in. Climate change don't be a about technology but technology, okay, and don't be late, you know in everything that we need to be focusing. It's a tremendous book to show us that climate change is going to change the world and beeps, you know, and so it drinks 27 liters a day move we have And handling that uh, if it's really chocol short of water and we have to understand that we are part of a system about a logical system that we have to share between us and do things right, but that's why I think Thomas Friedman is calling her don't be late. Don't be late. Okay, very nice like it. The third question Gonzalo is what separates successful swine professionals from those that are not. Oh god. Well, I told you, you know, I got a PhD in nutrition, which is nothing in the sense that if you don't know much about what's going on in the world, you see so good. I'm calling and you have made a tremendous work in cats of and afterwards, you know publishing on. Corn on the attrition, you know, we have to understand more. You know that we have to do things right. I started in North Carolina with crates 7 by 5. And now the great Satay by six, you know, the pro has to be right too many fingers, you know on the crates, you know, and they say, oh come on stream is very important, but you know the poor little big release. Than 2 pounds, you know cannot drink because it's full of problems, you know to drink. So what we have to do. We have to be more more understanding. Not one thing if you're a geneticist, okay, but go on and help me well understanding that there's more than pure genetic Jordan any has to be ways they can carry your PhD in nutrition and you are you know, we have a trouble this year because weather was growing in the in the Midwest and exciting that the bushel of corn is going to be five dollars roof and more. So what I'm saying it, what is the difference between people? What is a man that has one? Excellent knowledge but also had the next and a knowledge that that knowledge to be shared participate and teach. Okay, very nice. I love it. Very good. Dr. Gonzalo. Those are insightful words there throughout the podcast as always. I'm always learning. I'm always selfish. I want to learn myself, and I always love to record that and share that with our audience. So thanks so much for your time doctor Gonzalo. Thank you very much.

Today’s episode will cover A life-long of swine production in 30 minutes. “We need to improve our productivity by using data… data is the number one issue. If you don’t have the data, it’s going to be very difficult for someone to come in and try to get it right.” – Dr. Gonzalo Castro. Our guest is Dr. Gonzalo Castro, one of the bright minds of the Global Swine Industry. Dr. Castro is Agronomist, with a PhD from the University of Minnesota. With more than 50 years of work experience, in production, tech services and consulting, highlighting his work with Agrosuper, Pronaca, Keken, and PIC, among other companies. He was one of the responsible for the growth of PIC genetics in Latin America, in the 80s and 90s. What you will learn: A brief summary about himself and his long career; The history and evolution of swine reproduction; The exchange in knowledge between South America and North America; The characteristics to look for work on new hires; Things that the best farms do, that other farms could emulate; What separate successful swine professionals from those that are not. Gonzalo’s favorite swine-related book: Multi-Site Pig Production Gonzalo’s favorite book unrelated to swine: Thank you for being late Edited by Lauro Faccin

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So I'm just going to be sitting in the rain watching the incredible SMU Mustangs take on the FAU. Oh, wow, I think they're a panther or now. If I UFA you always get them mixed up. I think it's a panther. That's it. I've go lay in their final Lane kiffin is old-school. FAU is taking on SMU on Saturday on ABC at 3:30. I'll be a field analyst just sitting there in the rain absolutely enjoying the hell out of college football while incredible NFL games are taking place on Saturday. Let's go through that list of James thinks we are starting. The one o'clock game is Houston at Tampa Bay. I believe the line is 3 Houston is minus 3, I am correct. Okay that a boy proud of you. The Houston Texans are going to win this game only because I feel like this the Tampa Bay Buccaneers have an incredible coaching staff right now that coaching staff just so happen to be with me at the Indianapolis Colts for a long time. Yes, Bruce Arians is going to get the acknowledgement Clyde. Christensen is a miracle worker with quarterback sets there with Jameis Winston. I think Jameis Winston by all accounts. Had his best year of this year. I think that anybody could have fathomed and digs will get into an entire segment here about how he feels the Tampa Bay Buccaneers should treat him but Clyde Christensen work with Peyton Manning for a long time Andrew Luck for a long time. He got run out of the building by a former GM and now he's down there in Tampa. He was in Miami. I guess he didn't do great with Tannehill under gaze. But he really feels like this is almost there swan song this group of coaches down here in Tampa, and they've been turning it around but in Bruce Arians offense, you have to have weapons you have to have Deep play receivers that can make plays in this weekend. I believe Mike Evans and God winner both out both Provo receivers. I believe are both which is very difficult in an offense that relies heavily on your wide receivers making big plays for you. So for that reason and that reason alone, even though the Tampa Bay defense has been playing much better than I think anybody could have expected. I think Houston gets a win in which they need to win. By the way. They lose the Tennessee Titans are right back in this thing for a week 17 matchup. That's massive for the AFC South. I think we'd want that. But for me, I feel like Houston wins this game strictly because of those Injuries now going forward to Tampa Bay Buccaneers have to make a decision with Jameis Winston. He's currently on his contract here. What would you do anything need to go? Yo in your mind if you were for some reason, I don't know how it would happen. But let's say for some reason do your job you were placed in charge of an NFL team. What would you do if Jameis Winston was your quarterback with what he's shown thus far in the NFL? I think they paid him is I think they keep him and I think they pay them do I think they pay him 35 to 40 like the top-tier quarterbacks are getting right now like like Dax gonna get like Drew Brees is Up there getting things are going to get things like that. No, but if you find a sweet spot like Jacoby percent just got 27 million a year for two years. Yeah, Nick Foles got like 25 million a year for three years Derek Cars Getting like 25 27 million. If you can find a sweet spot around their necks about how hilarious it is, by the way a man. It's like considered a good deal like for the team like hey, if you could pay him only like twenty three to twenty eight million dollars a year for six months. Real work. That's probably a good deal for you. And that is just mine. Now. It's nothing compared to the baseball country days. We'll catch up to the next level but these quarterbacks. This is a now this is kind of what we've been saying right where if you have a rookie quarterback on a rookie deal. You have a chance to build your team up around. We'll talk about the Rams here in a second. That's what the Rams that's when the Rams crash when they had to pay golf who was no longer on his rookie contract. He had to get paid which means you can't pay everybody including offensive lineman, which has been a big problem for them. And I thought that the new blueprint for Success would be Rookie quarterbacks build them all up build up the team around them. Then you can really make a play when have played good team football. The Rams did it the Seahawks it with a legion of boom in a you haven't really seen a lot of teams other than the Tom Brady's and Peyton Manning's and Aaron Rodgers is and now the Russell Wilson's and I would assume Lamar Jackson is going to be this way as well in Patrick Mahomes. There's only a couple quarterbacks up there that can win games by themself. Like hey these guys you put them on a field they will win games by themselves. All the other quarterbacks that are good but not great. I think you have to as a GM and as a team be willing to pay them like, okay and as a quarterback, I think they should be a little bit more accountable in there how good they are and say like, you know what? I don't think I want to screw over my entire team by taking 45 percent of the salary cap. I'll take 20 million a year which by the way generational wealth. Even after Uncle Sam gets it 10 million a year there for five years. That's 50 million dollars you're getting for your family and yourself. You can live like me and have a great time. Like that and I am very rapid very recommended by you can live a hilarious life and still be good with that. But it's going to take something with the nflpa their agents and everything dial that in do you think Jameson will be able to say you know, what? Yeah, I will take a much smaller price than what everybody else is getting just so I can continue have a job or do you think his agent and if I'll Pierre can say you can't do that because if you take this smaller deal that means the next next quarterbacks are have take a small deal. Yeah me saying this all is me thinking that Jamis will realize that he has not been a top-tier quarterback for His inhaler Jane has been a self-aware person yellow exact know if he's known for one thing. It's making great decisions. All right self-awareness. I think he looks at himself. Maybe his agent gets talk to me. Like hey you have to do to the top 10 receivers easily in the league right? Now. You got this new coaching staff in Bruce Arians. He's molded Roethlisberger and luck. And Carson Palmer. You guys are on a four-game win streak. So he's only quarterback in the history going back to back with 450 yards. Yeah. I mean, it's he's leading the league in yards and I believe Police stations and he's second in touchdowns behind Lamar Jackson First and picks. Yes first and picks. I'm that is the one thing but like no risk it no biscuit pilot ever said that my health that might help with the contract the oceans and the Caps going up. So it's like hey if you could get them in that 25 to 28 range sweet spot, and and also by the way, you pay the offense of line which in the Bruce Arians offense you need because that's a lot of seven-step drops. It's a lot of whole he's going deep with that thing and if you could build up an offensive line there, maybe he's a much better. Much and they don't they don't pick till 17. So it's not like you're probably not getting a stud quarterback in right away. So with all this offense of talent around at least, you know, you have a guy who can make all the throws. He's going to make some dumb decisions, but maybe you could get him out you running that's what her cat you sound like the guys. I am who people thought was the GM's ghost account. That's not what the term is burner. Thank you sensing Jameis Winston how the media ruin the start of a Hall of Fame football career. Yeah. I mean, I do contribute that By the way to add me that last week, I felt pretty good about it. Yeah. Well, they're going to meet you again after hearing this they got there. I don't know I just and there's like who else is out there like it maybe if you get Teddy like if you could get Teddy like if he doesn't go with the Saints if they decide to save Drew maybe but like James can make ever thrown Bruce Arians offense. That's what you need. I don't think but if you his stats this year forget the pics like I think to his agent and to him that's going to dictate like hey, I deserve 35 million. I deserve 40 million. I threw for 5,000 yards this year. It goes back to what you just mentioned it like If they give him all this money their defense stinks, okay, they need to shore up that big time their lines. Not that great. Yeah, they have incredible receivers and Jameis. He doesn't stink. I mean he's in that middle tier but he's not one of those Elite guys. If you give him that Max contract guess what they're gonna go eight and eight or seven and nine for the next four to five years like if area is what they do, but exactly if Aryans is as good of a coach is we all think he is then why not like franchise Jamis next year, maybe pick up someone in the drafts and then France has a lot of money it is it is Least you're not commit. You're not pot committed for the next five to six years. You know, I would love to see James have a little self-awareness and realize that he's not going to get that 40 to 50 million dollars. Yeah, but I also going to get and just be like, yeah, I'm OK taking 15 to 20 million. I'ma build up this team. Let's have a good time here Bruce Arians took that job because of Jameis Winston. He's known him since high school. So I think Jameson Bruce probably have a very good relationship, which is good news for all parties down there in Tampa. They've showed they've shown signs of success if they have to draft another quarterback again another quarterback. It's a Whole new rebuild in Bruce's offense, but if you find a guy that can throw the ball and you don't have to pay him. You can build up the rest of that team that can be very good. I think they're going to be an interesting spot. We'd like you to know. I understand why not because they don't want to they don't have to that Tennessee game in week 17. They don't want it to mean something if they win this weekend. It does in competing against the Boca Bowl, correct, Boca ball kicks off at 3:30 this games on it for so I think it's a bad decision by the NFL to compete against the bokeh bowl on ABC at 3:30 kicking off at for is Buffalo at New England. Buffalo is Six and a half points right now in New England the over-under is at 36 and a half which was the exact same it was for the Buffalo Pittsburgh Steelers game that will obviously one under a 17-10. I think we're going to see a very similar game here. And honestly, I like I like the Buffalo Bills with the points. I even took that money line because it's plus 230 just good odds on there, but I really like Buffalo plus six and a half here and I don't think anything tells me that this is the week that the Patriots offense is going to get going. I honestly don't maybe maybe Nikki Oh Harry, and them and Josh McDaniels and Julian Edelman and the boys have gone to work and everything like that and maybe the the Pro Bowl first time missing the Pro Bowl since 2008 for Tom Brady is really put another chip on his shoulder. But nothing tells me that this is the week the offense going to get going especially after watching that Buffalo Bills defense in person last week. Yeah. I am also taking the bills but I'm not taking the money like I'm not as Brave as you I'm going to plus the six and a half. It's the 16 times the first game, right? Yep and Josh Allen got hurt and Matt Barkley came in the in the Second half I almost messed around and beat us too. I don't I can see the same thing 1316 10. I'm not I don't the Patriots offense takes the bills are 600 and one against the spread on the road. I mean those hey La cantidad Todd Todd stats back here. That is very good stats to have in your back pocket in the reason is because they've been an underappreciated team because they're winds are on national TV against teams that are like, yeah, that's him. Isn't that good? But there our defense has been such a lockdown D. They're the only ones that could contain Lamar Jackson They contained Lamar Jackson They contain Mark Ingram and it's because that defense is so damn good. I got a chance to chat with one of their do line coaches whenever we're in Pittsburgh there and just chatting with it was good catch up. He used to coach for the Colts and good dude great to to link and we adapt to each other up. I'm like, hey, this defense is truth. You said we got something like he was like Vegas like we got we feel good about it. He said they got good. Here's that also feel good about the system. We talked to Lorenzo Alexander Lorenzo Alexander and he talked about how the team knows the system right and how the team's been around each other for a long time and how they liked each other so they don't really know the play calls, but they know the why that's a massive deal. That's a massive deal to know that hey if I disguise here, I know that I'm being covered here. I can do this. I can mess around do this. They're very comfortable Sean McDermott and the Buffalo Bill. I don't know how the Buffalo Bills had this much patience with Sean McDermott, but it's going to it looks like it's paying off. Off in this weekend would be massive for bills Mafia to go into New England and get a win and I'm not saying it's going to happen. I'm just saying the odds are plus 2:30 right now if you want to put money on the money line, but man that would be another celebration at the airport with another selfie going in the museum if they get this win, I'm excited to see because this is the first time in probably a long long time that the Patriots play a meaningful division game in December, like if if they lose they have to beat Miami Beach 17, which Ryan Fitzpatrick, I don't want to miss every hillbilly Ryan Fitzpatrick week 17 got nothing to play for wait to see what he's doing his body. He's gonna run his face right into Calvin noise helmet while throwing a ball. I mean that's a Ryan Fitzpatrick does in the bills have a chance to do that Flores would love to win that game to shove it right back in there my storyline for no. I'm not gonna say well, maybe I know where you're going and it's it's possibility, huh? Flores in the Dodge or lay down. Don't say that. Don't say that Gump. He's not gonna be happy with you saying that ends up pal. That's a good game. I won't be able to watch it till afterwards but know that if if that game gets boring if Buffalo just blows New England out so fast though that the Pokéballs going on that maybe see I'm on the sideline and I have no idea what I'm allowed to do and what I'm not allowed to do so look for me to potentially get kicked out early so I could catch the game as well. We'll see how that goes. I'm a field analyst. What does that mean? What the hell does that mean? Really? I was I was rejected from the broadcast Boot Camp 3 times. I've no idea what field analyst means I if I'm doing Molly McGrath has I have no shot. I just what she does is so impressive like she has to but like but her way into things eavesdrop get information kind of relay it to the producer which relays it to the Spy. It's like an entire operation. I want to like I'm not gonna I don't have that much effort in me. If they reckon let me answer. Where am I I'll just stay here. Then I don't give a damn. I think she's technically a sideline reporter and I don't know what the difference in terms of Distinction is between a field like a field analyst and a side letter C Tony Siragusa those islands. That's what I'm doing this. Hey Pat. What are you seeing down there as fat guy just stands down here. I think you might do some reporting. Maybe I have no idea, but you're more just like a like a A third guy but down on the food food. Just what you're seeing on the field. Yeah easy, but this is the XFL crew by the way, it's Tom Hart. Yep, Joey Galloway nice and myself this we're doing the XFL games now with the XFL though. They told me I have unprecedented access. So I'm allowed to do whatever the hell I want. I don't think that's how college football works. Like, I don't think I'm allowed to just run into the Huddle like I'm gonna be doing the except probably not I'm not so sure. I'm a lot of just throw a microphone in the west face what the hell just happened there pal you who are you field analyst It's gonna be an interesting Saturday Joe. Yahweh can pick some college gate. Yeah, he's really good at I know he was hot to hear him and Jesse Palmer exhaust are very very hot. It just like Michael Lombardi to I think these people had don't actually bet it but pick it. I think they are the ones you need list because they have zero skin in the game. It's like this is what we think we're doing it whenever you start putting your actual money on the line now great. I've been on a heater here for like the last seven weeks which feels very good. I don't think college football though because I don't know the crap shoot. Well, I don't know what the student here. And athletes are going to do you you don't know what they're going through. You don't know if they have a test. They just failed a relationship that just ended anything that could have possibly happened the NFL. I feel like you can kind of predict much more like hey who's going to show up who's not going to show up but college football is that's why people love it, by the way, because you have no idea what's going to happen except for some teams like Ohio State, you know, they're going to be incredible. You know that Clemson Trevor Lawrence going to show up. You know, Joey Borough who had no idea this year was coming. There's no way Joe burrow whenever he decided to transfer knew that all this was going to happen. I'm happy for him though. Oh, yeah. Hella happy for that guy in Oklahoma's got a couple people suspended. So let's assume they were going to lose by 20 before that. Another got a couple players suspended. Let's assume that's a 40-point blow out there for Oklahoma. No offense. You're just not it's not their fault. It's just the way it goes. But everybody else in cultural. You have no idea what's going to happen. No clue. What's going to happen? I bet all 40 games yesterday official made all my picks. Did you get it or did you just make up I put money in on them smart man. You have Christmas gifts. Come look for desperate digs. Aspiration digs here soon. All right in the last game Los Angeles Rams at San Francisco. San Fran has to win this if they would like to have home-field advantage in the playoffs. They're coming off a big loss last week the LA Rams. Are they going to just they got pounded by the cowboy? They did you still got a chance though pound through the ramps. Yeah, if they win against the Niners in Cardinals in The Vikings lose against the Packers and Bears. Ran's got a chance both possible things by the way all Is a very possible thing. So Sean McVeigh can get his boys to believe that after getting pounded by the Dallas Cowboys. What a big time game all three of these games matter mmm, but so does the polka but that's right. I mean, are you kidding me with this? Why does this happen? 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They're all the pieces seem to be in place this year in they're not winning last year. I mean nobody's going to say they had a great roster, but Hugh wasn't able to win there. Nobody's been able to win their it's been said that you haven't coaching the NFL until you've been fired from Cleveland. This man has he's been out of the game for a year now did have some media Stuff it's been rumored that he's going back to Arizona State to help out with Marvin Lewis and Herm Edwards who have done a great job with that team in the desert. Can't wait to chat about hard knocks and everything like that. Do we have them on ladies and gentlemen joining us now former head coach and multiple places Hugh Jackson. What's up, buddy? How you doing here? I have a question for you. How why is it? Why is it so hard to win in Cleveland. Now, I will say this you you obviously did not have a great record there, but everybody thought with you gone with a talent in This year with a whole new team that there could be able to win and it just hasn't been able to happen is the place cursed you is the place curse. I'm not gonna say his curse, but you said it I think that's just been the history has been several coaches way before me and now there's been a coach after me that hasn't won their so I'm not going to say it's in the walls or anything like that. I just think at some point in time. Somebody will be good enough to take it to another level. I hope it happens because I think the fans deserve it but you're right. There's a lot of code. Has that have gone there that haven't done well, and they've left their and when done great jobs. Okay. So did you did you enjoy the Hard Knocks being a part of your because I think hard not it's already hard enough to win in the NFL especially in Cleveland, especially when you maybe hadn't had a winning season in the past couple years. Then you add in potential drama with HBO. I did not think that Hard Knocks did a great job of making you and the entire thing look good. It's almost like they were building up a story line. Do you regret that Hard Knocks was in there? Your last year as a head coach of Cleveland and I don't I mean I know a lot of people have said just what you said. I don't regret it because I know what we as an organization was trying to accomplish. I really thought that it was going to make us be at our best all the time. I think it's couple ways to look at it and mine in my mind. We were a loss averse organization that had more on a lot. So we needed to be put in our best in the best situations. We could be in to be at our best all the time. So when the season came we hit the ground running Running, you know because normally guys don't want to be embarrassed when they're on TV guys don't want to do something that all of a sudden people will make fun of and I wasn't worried about what the storyline was about me. I understand the scene that everybody thought was a big deal, but I would think if people know football and I know you do pad that ice discussed all that stuff about how we were going to practice players how we're going to do players way before that episode. So I thought it was really really it was really difficult for me to think that we're even having a conversation in that meeting. Yeah, obviously what you're referring to is you and Todd Haley talking about who's who was going to play and who wasn't going to play in practice. It's just it felt like everybody had this image about the Cleveland Browns and then HBO almost was like, alright, everybody knows what to think about it the Cleveland Browns. How do we make it look like this completely dysfunctional franchise another felt like they did that it felt like they did that in for you. I didn't know anything about you but watching and I'm like man this guy is either not deserving of the head coach job or the HBO. People are reading this in a fashion to make him look bad because showing a beef between a head coach and assistant coach is just specifically trying to make you look bad because that happens everywhere. No doubt. Yeah, no doubt. Now that part I do agree with that. Yeah, because it happens everywhere. I mean, this is something happens in the NFL if there's beef and that happens and them showing it the way they did. I thought they made you look bad. Hmm. I appreciate that. Hey, no problem. Okay, so let's move forward and what is this year off been for you? I have you. I don't know man. This been the first time off in 32 years. It's been rediscovered a lot of things my family. Some foremost and found some other things out in the world that I like, you know got involved in a tequila business grandly and the tequila it is unbelievable. And so I've had a great time doing that but I'm ready to get back on the grass. Okay. So I talked to Chuck Pagano whenever he was out of the game for a year. He said that him and his wife were going crazy, right? He was like I am been around for a long time. He said he started watching film again as if he was a coach just kind of studying the A on top of it. He couldn't wait to get back into coaching. I assume the same things happening for you is Arizona State the place you're going or you're going to try to get back in the NFL Nama try to get back in NFL. I've spent a lot of time, you know at some colleges and University of Maryland obviously went down to Arizona State Penn State some other places, but I spent a lot of time with Jim Haslett who's in town. So we get a chance to watch video. I've been all around, you know the country a little bit sing football. So I'm excited about getting back in the game at the Football League level and let's go what was wrong in Cleveland? You think that people should know before they hire but for a fan base, right? So if you get hired to a team the fan base is going to be like, hey what like I said about Hard Knocks not making you look but also with the lack of success in Cleveland, what do you think went wrong? What did you learn from that situation that you'll carry into your next gig? Well the first thing I would say to any fan who's concerned about what I would do when I come is that there's been a lot of coaches before me that went to Cleveland and the somewhat the same thing happened and all of a sudden their career. Ears didn't go into tank. So give me a chance here. What I learned is that you got to do what you think is best. You know what I mean by that I should have never relinquished the offense of coordinator position of calling plays. That's how I got the job and that's what I should have done to keep the job. And I think I would have put the team in a better position to move forward and what it did a better job with putting Baker and position to have success. So I take full responsibility for that you got to do what you know, you can do and do it as As you can do it, I think if I would have done that I probably wouldn't be sitting here today. What do you think about Baker Mayfield? There's been a lot of noise outside of football with Baker Mayfield He's the best actor in the NFL. He's commercials are incredible. But anytime you do all that stuff and you don't have success automatically critics are going to come in this year. They have not had a lot of success their expectations were high not a lot of success. That's where disappointment comes flooding in but you know Baker lot better than all of us. Do what do you think? It is about Banker that maybe we either get them to bounce back after After this year failure or do you think there's going to be much more of the same? No, I think he'll bounce back. I don't when we drafted Baker number one overall the nice it on the table for it. I think the guys are tremendous football player. Now, you can see fundamentally. Maybe there are some things that he's not doing as well as he did in your one why that is I don't have that answer. I'm not there to to say but talent wise leadership wise Moxie passion for the game determination. He has all of that. Okay, and he can throw the ball with anybody so somewhere Are there is a disconnect and where that is? I think it's got to be found to get him back to being what he what he was but it's in there and they got to go find a way to get it back out of it. What type of Coach you think could bring the best out of Baker Mayfield? Oh, no, he's got to be a coach that's going to be really detailed with him a coach. That won't back down a coach that's going to push him to go be great because deep down inside that's what he wants to be. But you know how it is parents. So certain coaches are coaching some of the best players in the league. They all of a sudden don't coach. Um, yeah, okay and you can't do that. You can't do that with the great players. You got to make sure more so than anything you take your foot and put it up there. But so that's what it comes down to the make sure that they're getting done with need to get done. I would say I didn't become my best ball kicker until I had a coach in Tom McMahon challenge me every single day. I agree with that statement completely and I think Peyton Manning would even say that about Clyde Christensen other people that it's that's the new there's a new generation though. We're a lot of people say hard coaching and coaching is something that could be a thing of the past with this. Generation and how it operates do you think that could be a struggle if you get back into leak? No because I don't think that part every change if I can help a young man play at his best level as well as he can play trust me. That's what they want at the end of the day a player wants to have a chance to earn the next contract to be seen as one of the better players in the league. They're not going to run from that now, I'm just a yellow over screamer and I'm not helping them attain their goals, then it's not going to work. But if you are getting the results that you both desire then I guarantee you play. As will take that in a heartbeat where where's the place that you're like you look at the way the offense is set up and I'm not saying they'll offer you a job or the person is going to be fired. But what's a place that you think has a great set of / success in the future? If you were to be there? Why aren't you know, the the team that jumps off and like you said, this is no knock on anyhow, we're not knocking anything. We're just saying why not but what I look at the New York Giants, you know, what a Young quarterback and a great Runner. Okay, and then my mind needing a few pieces here and there I mean they have a tremendous opportunity. Need to be special when you think of the Washington Redskins Young quarterback again, you know real good offensive line another young Runner. So those things to me are important because I've learned being in this league. You better have a quarterback. If you don't have that piece. It is hard to win in to sleep. How many quarterbacks are for your Cleveland like 45th. Oh my God, once you get that p squared away and if you feel like you do as an organization that I think you can truly. We move forward as an offensive play caller what Lamar Jackson has been able to do and accomplish now granted. He's an anomaly. He's a unicorn. I don't everybody's like is he the next prototype of a quarterback? Well, if you can find another Lamar Jackson, I would assume that you should draft that person. But will you adapt your play calling to become more that style and do you see the game going that way from an offensive standpoint? And I felt absolutely I think you have to when you have a guy that's as talented as he is. I can do all the things he can do running the ball and throwing the ball you have to adapt. I think it's happened like that because there's been more college coaches that's coming to the National Football League. And so that is just kind of evolved that way but this guy is extremely talented there might not be another guy like him, but when I think of the young man, that's at Oklahoma this year. He's not probably as cat quickest is Lamar is but he's a strong Runner a good passer and a very sturdy body that you know, I think his his stock is going to rise because of what people have seen Lamar Jackson do the season. Okay. So the three quarterbacks for quarterbacks out of college and everybody's talking about is Joe burrow to Jaylin and then are bare what Herbert from Oregon if you're a guy running a team, would you take the risk on to what with how injured he has been or is Joe Borough? The guy Jalen or Herbert? The guy you think well, I think I got to go look at all of them first and foremost like you mentioned and what is the vision of the organization? What are we trying to accomplish or we going to be a team that's going to throw it all over the yard and we have those kind of receivers already and are stable or we can be a team that needs to The football to win in our we got great defense. So it really still comes down to the vision of the organization me myself. I love to have a guy that can do both because the deacons are so good in the National Football League and I think that's what you're saying Baltimore do they're able to do both things and their quarterback is so special doing both things. It makes it hard to defend. Okay. You were supposed to run the workout for Colin Kaepernick. It was this massive ordeal. That's the first time in NFL history that an entire workout has been placed. For a guy in Atlanta. The facility was opened up and I believe it's because a couple teams were interested in signing him but didn't want the backlash if they were going to sign them. So the NFL Jay-Z everybody was like, let's just have a workout and if people want to talk to him privately and see what he's got see if he's still got it. They can sign them from there. He obviously decided not to do that that workout in my eyes. I've seen I've seen him the hell out of there. My dog is growling. Sorry. I'm you normally good with dogs at my voice. I can understand it could make a little bit frustrated that work. Though I've seen players have to do workouts to make it on teams a lot of cardio a lot of conditioning to see if they can still hang and if they were to be dropped in a game right now would they be able to survive the workout? I saw him do it by himself there 60 miles away. Not a lot of cardio. Not a lot of conditioning. You're supposed to run that extra that work out. What was it going to look like and where you excited for that opportunity not only for yourself, but for Colin, I was very excited for the opportunity for myself to be picked, you know by the National Football League to lead the workout first and foremost. I was very excited to be around Colin again because I really have a lot of respect for him. I wanted to draft him when he was coming out when I was at Oakland because I thought he was very talented and I wanted to take him and showcase his talent and ability and all those things you just mentioned be able to show that from a cardiovascular standpoint that you're ready to go that you could walk into an organization tomorrow and maybe not know what they're doing but be able to be out there and not get hurt. Okay, and then to find that the intellect. Peace. During this workout to be able to show that you know from a rush standpoint how to move in the pocket how to handle pressure as it was coming at him. So we had a pretty good workout set up for him that we were going to Showcase all those things but it just didn't happen now bombed reai as a fan of the NFL and honestly what Colin Kaepernick good did I think that good for our society it sort of conversation that was needed now, obviously there was a lot I mean ratings drop because there was a whole thing that happened behind the scenes with the NFL. And Colin Kaepernick, but all I wanted was for one day for him to play by the NFL's rules just to see what happened. And then whenever it turned out it didn't have I was bummed about it. I assume the same for you. Absolutely. I just you know you go there in the morning thinking that this is gonna gonna happen and it's going to be great and everybody that I was associated with that was dealing with this. Our whole Focus was the make him and put him in a situation where he could be successful, you know, we want to do everything we can for him to be successful show the things that Needed to show the National Football League teams, but do everything we could to make him successful and then you know, you you really work through that process in your head you see it happening and then when it doesn't happen, it is disappointing so that that was a disappointing day for all involved. And again, I don't know the reasons why I didn't happen the way it should have but at the same time, I hope this young man does get an opportunity if he really wants to play football. I think the trust issues between Colin Kaepernick and the NFL are something that's obviously grown through the last three years. And he says that's why he didn't want to do it and in his tweet. He said I can't wait to see the coaches and GM's there. It's middle as soon as it's going to be hard to get the coaches and GM's there. Did it feel like to you though. This was a fair legit work out where teams were actually going to be looking at in potentially signing him. Oh, no doubt II think when I was finally called up inside of the facility at Flowery Branch at Atlanta. There was 28 teams there but their Scouts, you know, and so to me that's set a lot because to take those guys off the road. To me that says something to you because normally those guys are Advanced scouting those guys are preparing for something else. And so when you do that to me, you're making a commitment. I think the league was making a commitment to giving him a shot. Now, you know where it fell apart at as I just mentioned. I don't know but I really felt like the league was trying to do the right thing bums me out. Coach Freddie kitchens is obviously on your staff. So, you know him pretty well. How much is a blame for the Cleveland Browns you put on on him this year. And do you think he has what it takes to be a coach in the NFL in the future? Well, let me say this I is hard for me being a head coach in the National Football League is hard, you know and I think you wear a lot of different hats. I only knew Freddie as my running back coach. I don't know Freddy, you know as a play caller. I don't know Freddy as standing in front of a room leading a room day in and day out but you know again at the same time the success that you have to have as that leader needs to be demonstrated and to me there's been a lot of things that have happened that I think people will Question that if he has the right makeup to do it in the future. I don't know that you know, I don't I really don't but I again I wish every coach who's a head coach in the National Football League the best. Yeah. It's not an easy. He got to deal with a lot of things you can absolutely. Oh you become the CEO of a company all of a sudden. Yes, you did and it's no longer just on football for you when thinking about that. Do you see a chance in the future? And I don't know how daud-you a doubt in you are to social media and stuff like that Antonio Brown. Do you think with how good he is? And this is another bummer for me. This is just like Colin Kaepernick now, I'm bummed out about it that he didn't do that because I wanted to see him go in the NFL and show that he can still got it in Antonio Brown this last year. He goes from being the best wide receiver in the NFL now to something that he's most polarizing figure on the internet people who either completely hate them or like hey, you're our guy and it seems like every single tweet. He sends out his potentially ruining another opportunity that he can potentially have. They say teams are still interested. Do you see a team taking a Out on Antonio Brown with all that has transpired at some point. Yes. Now do I think they're gonna dig around a dig and do their due diligence to make sure yes, the guy is too talented, you know, and if he's right and if he's in your organization and playing football the way we know he can then he's going to go do some great things, but would we have to make sure that all the t's are crossed and the i's are dotted before you ever bring him in the building. Absolutely. I mean you owe that to the other men that are in the locker room you owe that to the organization. So there's a fine line. In there, there's no question. But this guy is arguably like you just said one of the best receivers out of play the game. It's tough. I hate watching her Hugh. I won't let you know Hard Knocks painted you in a bad image II didn't know you from anything and I was like, I don't know how this guy does it having this conversation with you. I'm very thankful. You came on this show. I'm excited to see what you do in the future and I hope that tequila company does very well for you. Hope you got George Clooney George Clooney a billionaire in that whole thing. Absolutely. That's the plan. I appreciate it at night again. I mean that's that goes to show You would people think the way people paint people people really don't know people until you get to know so that wasn't me. I know that's not me and I know my my other coaches and players they know that stopped me. So at the same time, I can't wait to go back and have a chance to prove myself a different way. Hey nice revenge tour is a beautiful thing. You know what I mean? Absolutely. Yeah. Where you at now, do you have a house in California out there? I'm in Cincinnati. I'm in California at times. I'm in Arizona at times. I've been Florida a just tequila company keeps you moving. Hey, well cheers to you saw loo. Good luck with everything and thanks for joining us. Ladies and gentlemen Hugh Jackson. I think I liked him a lot more than they portrayed on HBO. Yeah, honestly. Yeah, I'm being a hunter since years whenever I saw him on HBO and now I should have been more woke to the fact that editing can make you look in however even ASAP Rocky is experiencing exactly what I should know that going in to put man. He looked bad on Hard Knocks. I mean, He looked like your guy that didn't have control of his team. He look like a guy that the staff didn't look good and those types of things you have to remember do happen. But the way that thing was painted with him not having a lot of success was bad that conversation was good there. Yeah, it was incredible and like you said like that everyone that watched Hard Knocks going in that new like hey, the Browns are terrible. They always have been so why wouldn't they be like? Hey, let's build on that dysfunction. Otherwise we might have just kind of a stale boring season and I am a fan of Hard Knocks. Yeah, it's awesome. I'm a fan but they definitely fettig We thrived off of the hey this team stinks. They have stunk for a long time. It's very easy to paint that picture when everybody on Earth knows something. I don't I'm interested see if he's willing to go back as an offensive coordinator because that's where he dominated with the Bangles and also with the Raiders or if he's strictly looking to get a head coaching God himself. I think you very much understand. She's going to be an offensive odor. I should ask that question I guess but I thought it was pretty obvious and some he's looking to do any to be a head coach you guys deal with so much. I was in New York. He said New York and Washington. There's a pretty large markets with. Fan base that could go south quick him becoming an offense coordinator again thriving doing well. I mean it was becoming I'm happy you came on the show. That was awesome. Yoda is dog couple times and different man. 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This year was there for four years great success just Only took the gig at Florida State he wants prominent prominent program that I believe he will bring back to life because he's a damn good coach ladies and gentlemen coach Mike Norvell. More about how's everything going coach? Everything's great. How are you down in Florida State getting after it down there in Tallahassee? No question. You would have been I guess is my eleventh day on the job and we've been in full Sprint mode since the minute I hit the ground. So it's been it's been great. You had a really good signing day yesterday and just honored to be here. Okay. So whenever you get a gig like Florida State now with this early signing day is your role to find all the commits that were already committed and Them there or are you trying to trying to find new players and sell them on what Florida state is going to become under Mike Norvell? Yeah a little bit of both and you know, the first part of it is the evaluation of what's in place and we've got a great group of young men that are currently on our roster. There were another group that was committed and you try to evaluate, you know, how you see them them transpiring through this change and what we're looking for and then you know, there's also the part of you know what you're what you're looking to attract and so So we had a little bit of both in or really in All Phases of that here this last 10 days and it came together there on signing day. We were able to hold on to guys that were committed. You know, we're able to get a couple guys that a decommitted go back on board and then we're able to attract some new faces that you know, I think R&B great addition. So it was a it was definitely a lot of time that went into it. But you know, it was the pace was pretty pretty crazy getting a chance to meet you and see your operation in men. It's not only a game day. But whenever we called your Memphis Tigers game and then all the success that you brought to Memphis and everything like that. Your name would have been up for every single job in college football. Every single one. Everybody would be like I maybe we should go get coach Norville why Florida State because everybody talks about how Florida state was once this incredible program and it was it used to be must-see television back in the day. It's kind of fallen from Grace a little bit. What did you see in the Florida state gig that said, you know what this is where I want to be. Let's go ahead and turn this this thing back to being great program and I think you all factors were a part of it. You know, I any decision I've ever made in my life really come down to two things. It's you know, one how I believe I fit the place and then you know to does is it going to be a great decision for my family and can it be a place that that we can create a family atmosphere for what we're going to do and how we're going to move forward. And so and then Florida State checked all the boxes, you know, since I was 13, I remember in our 13 years old the first piece of college memorabilia, I Owned was a Florida State national championship license plate. That was the only thing that how got my wall and you know to be to think that I now have an opportunity to lead this program. It is something that's still surreal to me, but even beyond that, you know the tradition the brand I think this is one of those iconic Brands and all the college football. I truly believe that for college football to be right for the state needs to be a national Contender and needs to be you know relevant in that discussion. And there's a lot of hard work to get there and it's going to its Going to you know be a process and every day we're gonna have to to operate in a with a mindset and approach of you'll maximizing the potential that we have. But you know, when you look at our fan base on a place where that I get to live each and every day is a wonderful University to recruit student athletes to I mean, it really checked all the boxes and beyond that when you get a chance to meet the people, I mean from the leadership from the president that Brasher door athletic director and David Colburn Board of Trustees, I mean everybody And what this program can can once again become and you know, I'm excited that they chose me to be able to lead that that mission. I didn't know a damn thing about the American Conference before this year's Thursday night football and then after getting a chance to watch and to learn about it, it's a very good League. The American Conference is a very good league with a lot of talent not only for the players but also coaches now you're moving into the ACC which has been Clemson's domain. That's just the way it goes. How do you How does Florida State team or any team in the ACC try to compete with what Clemson has been able to do Jeff Collins at Georgia Tech? Just kind of great sign in class. He's a recruiter. I mean you look around the ACC Mack Brown is doing good things in North Carolina. The ACC is about to become not only just a Clemson dominant Football Conference, but altogether, it really feels like it's an upswing in the ACC. How are you going to compete with them? Is it all recruiting or do you feel very good about your scheme and the way you coach your players up, you know, I think when you're a part of a great League, you know. Those things matter, you know, you can be a great recruiter. But if you're not a developer of men and you know, putting them in a position to schematically achieve then you know, it's hard to to be at an elite level and that is our Focus. We want to we want to work to be elite and everything that we do I can tell you that, you know, the student the type of student-athlete that we can recruit here the resources that are in place, you know, the coaching staff and them, you know in process of assembling will be as good as any in the country and you know with that comes great expectation and great challenge. There's no doubt that you look at the success that Clemson's had over the last few years and it's something that should be respected as that's something that you know, it provides opportunity for growth. And you know, I can tell you I'm I'm I'm standing within a program that we have. We have a group of student athletes and coaches that are that are excited about what the future holds and we know that we're going to maximize every day. So I think the answer your question it takes all and you know, I'm very confident what we do and how we do it. You're going to work every day to put ourselves in the best position. What is your motto for your team? Like whenever somebody watches this Florida State team? Maybe not this year as you continue to build the culture and bring your people and but what do you want people to see from the Florida State Seminoles led by coach Norville, you know, I think it's all about our climb and every day you were aspiring to be the best version of ourselves. We know that you know, we were starting at at point zero and you know, wherever that is, whatever that looks like, you know all we can all we can control is what we Do it today and if we can focus on on 1% growth each and every day stacking those on top of each other, you know, I'm not I'm not looking at a four or five year plan. I'm looking at today and if we could if we can be the you know, the best version of us, you know players coaches everybody involved and I believe that we will be headed in the right direction. And so we're going to focus on that climb and and truly just a step that's right in front of us. That's awesome things going to go to what's going to be your involvement in the in the bowl game for Florida State. Right now my job is 100 percent personnel. And you know, that's something that I've been out of been out to practice. I'm actually headed out to another one here in just a minute. But you know, I'm in the process of evaluating person now getting to know that our players. I'm meeting with every player on our team this week just to get to know them and you know, obviously, you know, attracting and recruiting personnel and with with players and then also with coaches and I'm excited about where we are. We've got a couple couple More positions to fill and just organizing things for the best for the best opportunity for us to be moving forward here in January, but the I'm going to be there to support but I will not be involved in the game coach Odell Hagen's has done an incredible job as interim head coach and he's gonna he's gonna, you know, obviously finish it up here with this with this team and this in this game and you know, this game is not about me. It's about the senior class and then finishing out, you know in a special way, you know there for this for this On this opportunity to have in front of you. Is it awkward? Is that awkward or hard to do if you see something that you might you know, I mean, you're a hell of a football coach. I mean you've LED nothing but success everywhere. You've gone this far. Is it awkward or hard whenever you see something and not to be like but you kind of got to wait for it. Yeah, I mean it is but I mean also I respect I respect the process. I respect the work that these young men of put into it the coaches that have been a part of this season, you know, I don't It's not my place and it's not my you know, I'm going to help in any way that I can I am available went out and watch them practice and I'd be lying to you if I said I didn't didn't give any encouraging tidbits to go to but but it's you I'm a teacher and whether you know, whether I'm involved in the scheme or not. I'm not I know what good football looks like and then I know that if we can help focus on the little find tiny fundamentals, whether it's a senior that I'm never going to get the opportunity to coach or it's a Human, that's all about the grossest student-athlete and that's what I'm about and that's what I'm going to continue to be about, you know, as we jump in and start our product our process to lead this program. We wanted to go when you meet with the players and you're trying to learn about them and I assume they're trying to learn about you. What are you asking them? What are the questions? Are you like? Hey if you were a kitchen appliance, which kitchen appliances the dealer is it like hey, what are you here for? What do you feel? Like what like, how do you get to know them? Is it like a job interview? Yeah, you know, I usually always asking about themselves and and you know, it's funny. It's like they think it's a trick question, but I just want to know about them because everybody has a story everybody has a background everybody chose for to state for a reason and then I've also tell them the reason that I chose it and you know, these young men to they did not pick me. I'm not naive in that but but I did pick them and I'm here for for a specific purpose and we talked about having a family atmosphere. We talked about the importance of relationship. Well if I couldn't take the time during even a crazy week of I need a and hiring coaches if I can't take 15 minutes with every player on this team to get to know why they do what they do and where they come from that I'd be a fraud and that's I've got to show them with my action that that had the importance that they have. It was one of the toughest decisions I've ever had to make in my life not not coaching in the in the Cotton Bowl that but that Memphis team because it was a that is that is my family as well. Even though I've changed addresses those kids will always be able to count on me but you know to not be a part of that. Is a difficult decision but I also knew that with what I need to do here and the young men that I get to coach here at Florida State, you know, it's going to take time they were going to build those relationships and and I'm all in with what with what we're doing here and it's been a it's been a great start and I'm looking forward to each and every day here moving forward coach going off that how difficult was it to break the news to your team that you were going somewhere else after you've built all these relationships with these guys over the last couple of years. What was your message to them when you were heading out the door, too? Or state and it was emotional. It was like I said, you know to finish with one of the conference Championship and achieving that the Cotton Bowl invitation. I mean, it was such a glorious night there Saturday night someone that I'll remember forever but you know Sunday morning it was one of the hardest conversations I've ever had to have and you know, I told those kids and I did everything I could I gave them everything I had each and every day and no I wasn't quitting on them. I was just changing. addresses and that they can always count on me and they know that they know and you know, people can tell you tell you a story they can they can obviously try to paint a picture but we had four years together and I tried to do exactly what I told them I was going to do and this is just an opportunity that I felt was the best for myself and my family and that they could always count on me and probably one of the most gratifying things that I've ever had in my life was when I was done with that and started to walk to the door every one of those Kid stood up and gave me a relevation for what we had done together and they came and every one of them hug my neck for I left to say that to say that there weren't a ton of tears that were shed. I mean that would know what it was. It was just incredible and you I'm forever grateful for not only those kids allowing me to impact their lives. But for what the impact that they had on my oh my what a moment that had to be that because I bet you they're proud of you too. I mean Florida state is a massive gig. What is the First thing because whenever we got a chance to meet with you and you the Memphis what Liberty Bowl the Liberty Bowl is the stadium right Liberty, but yeah, the other Liberty Bowl Stadium is owned by the city. So any upgrades are improvements that you had to make that you had to actually go politic and like shake hands with like city council and mayor like, hey, we'd like to maybe get a new locker room in here do something like that. You have to do that now with Florida State, I'd assume that they have a pretty good booster and situation happening down there Florida State. What is something you think that you guys? Need to improve on if you really want to become back to being a national problem that program we've got to tell you in both situations you're coming from that was way too great with great support you within the city and the whole community and a lot of people that committed, you know, even be above what they had ever done to see our program can continue to elevate your coming here to Florida State. I mean to say a good booster group. This is a great place. This is a great group of supporters as good as anywhere in the country and knowing who we represent. Isn't what we're trying to do on the I could not be more honored to be able to be a part of this and and there's there is commitment there's commitment and the pursuit of greatness and it's going to take all hands on deck and do obviously we're excited about the things that we know we need to to grow and improve on you know, and that's something that we're going to continue to discuss every day moving forward, but you know, we're focused on the moment and the opportunity that's here today and we're excited about what the future holds. Well coach. I can't thank you enough. Good luck a flirt. Eight you and your staff are nothing but hospitable to us whenever we came to Memphis and I can't wait to see you do very good things for the Seminoles ladies and gentlemen head coach are the Florida State football team head coach Mike Norvell. Thank you Mike. Thank you Pat. You guys have a great holiday and hopefully the for two senior in Tallahassee in the near future and go knows. Hey, you got it, bro. Good luck. Go. No, sorry. Hey, he's a good dude, but he was a good dude. Whatever. We sat down child with him now granted every coach sat down and talked to us a long. Longer that I guess and they'd ever talk to any other bigger whenever these coaches are talking to me and Hasselbeck. I think they enjoyed the conversation, but he said he opened the entire facility up to us. I mean, he was very good guy and everybody knew that he was going to head to some big job. He will he could have got any job. He wanted by the way, he would have been able getting job you once saw something at Florida State excited to see what he does with that print one of my favorites that's ever from 1987 to 2000 Florida State finished in the top five every single year. There were incredible to watch they were fun watching then they fell off now, can he bring them back? We'll see that Clemson team. Number one recruiting classes. I'm a Clemson's recruit. Yes. Some are Clemson's like things that they tout as you know, a lot of those guys that use going to Florida State or now coming to Clemson. That's what they that's like an actual statement by Clemson like Alam and stuff like that. So it's going to be interesting he's gonna have to get to work but they got the right guy in there. I'll be excited to see what he does. We have some breaking news though. Yes, we do. Alright Johnny. Knoxville is returning with jackass for March of next year. Wow, who's getting back together? There has to be a smoother way to do all that for the younger generation right now. That didn't get a chance to grow up during the jackass generation. I feel like you got a miss you missed out on the water. Honestly, whenever these buffoons took to the television and we're just willing to do absolutely anything for a couple of use. It really flipped the world on its head. I mean, I remember times hopping into a grocery cart in the middle of a parking lot. We'll send me into a bush specifically because I saw Johnny Knoxville in the boys. Do it on TV. It got so bad. The entire world was trying to be jackasses that they had to insulate put an entire. Please do not send us videos of you acting like jackasses. We got enough of it. We're already on it. And to be honest, I think jackass shaped my life. I don't think there's any chance that I jump off of that pontoon without watching Jack as knowing what the body can go through. That's what Jackass taught me is that the body can go through absolutely anything and I appreciate what those dudes. Were willing to do for my pure entertainment growing up and I'm excited to see jackass for their old though. There's going to be some bad brittle bone. I mean that could get bad. I saw Steve-O jump off a roof into like a Jacuzzi like belly flop their day. I think he still has got it Steve-O still got it always will have it remember he was a clown in the circus and he he was a guy that was willing to do absolutely and I mean it took quite a toll not only on his body but mentally physically emotionally he's come out on the other side of it happy for him. But those dudes weren't what they were doing on TV on MTV weekly. I can't think of enough - I can't think about it was specifically for our enjoyment specifically for our entertainment and they made a lot of money doing it. But boy there were some awkward moments. They do you think bam jumps into it. All right. I know he's probably going to stay away from base of impact on come on seat. I had to break down to say that age thing is a real thing that you brought up a good point. I simulated to when I was younger jumped out of a minivan going like 35 miles an hour into a bush. If I did that now I'd be in the hospital for a full of clavicle. I mean you jump on The top of an RV landed on your feet and rolled and you couldn't stand for two days. That was three years ago. That was one that was because I slipped on the inflated air mattress any and it deflated in I heard Johnny Knoxville was very handsome very talented very rich and he would just go stand right in front of a bull and just tell the bull go ahead and kill me in saying it was Insanity. I respected it though all for some laughs just a couple ha ha ha. All right. What are we doing? Next? That's all was it was just a quick. Haha. What are we doing? Next? I Pontius I believe pawnees yeah. Oh my gosh look and who was Ryan down unfortunately was really good to present peace Dave England Dave England was a big fella Place. Yeah, press enter we man. Yeah. I'm excited. Someone might potentially dead in this old. Yeah, but I'm excited to watch it and also correction though. It's March 6 2021 so next. Z tends to be wrong. Yeah, but it was next year. I was thinking I was doing the Roaring Twenties already. That's not me. So that means our filming it right now. Yeah, wait for this little weird have more breaking news as we go. It's like Johnny Knoxville has broken both of his legs. They were insane. Yeah. Do you receive a clip of them abducting Brad Pitt? Ah, what all time? Oh, yeah. Happy birthday, baby. Yeah. Oh, yes. I saw once upon a time in Hollywood. Did you like unbelievable? I mean, I guess there was a story in there somewhere. Here's my side is slow. It's a little salt. It was like a reality show. I felt like I was watching a reality show which I respect. I enjoyed it. It was entertaining but I'm not putting it up there with like like Django and chain or when it comes to know. Yeah, it's definitely not one of his best like top five but it's Yeah, it's you're basically just there watching the performances and kind of enjoying the ride because there isn't like the the story is very like come and go. Yeah and Charles Manson makes an appearance. Oh, yeah. I'm a big fan of That that you think you get through an entire, what's his name? The guy made a movie Terence winter. Do you know you get through entire Tarantino movie in there hasn't been a lot of gruesome stuff and then 10 minutes how disgusting can we get here? It was the dog food. Oh my God. Good movie. Yeah. I'm sure masterful by any means by this was a very good. I enjoyed watching the Irish. And I mean, I've been on quite a little movie kick your watch was Santa Claus last night. I think I slept through the Grinch a little bit Home Alone 2 was on last night nice. I mean Christmas holiday. She go all the way Grinch was on last night baby grinches scares me that scares me. It's never watched. It never was an adult so good such a great cast people forget about it. It is a good movie not a top-five Christmas movie, but it is a good movie copy and a half the baby the baby Grinch is disgusting disgusting. It's like baby. 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On today's show, Pat and the boys are joined by former Oakland Raiders and Cleveland Browns Head Coach, Hue Jackson. Hue chats about why it is so difficult to win in Cleveland and what he thinks it comes back to. He also gives his thoughts on Freddie Kitchens and whether or not he thinks he has what it takes to be a successful Head Coach in the NFL, breaks down the Colin Kaepernick workout situation in Atlanta which Hue was supposed to lead, discusses what his next coaching stop might be and looks at a couple of situations that he might be interested in, and chats about his time on Hard Knocks and his interesting take on the whole experience (21:28-41:32). Next, former Head Coach of the Memphis Tigers and newly christened HC of the Florida State Seminoles, Mike Norvell calls into the show. He chats about his philosophy for landing recruits and how that job starts immediately upon being hired, how leaving Memphis was one of the toughest decisions he's ever made in his life, why he thinks he'll be successful at Florida State despite the ACC being Clemson's playground for the last several years, and what his involvement will be in the Seminoles bowl game (42:43-59:03). Also included is Pat's takes on all the Saturday NFL games this week (despite not being able to watch them as he'll be a field analyst for the Boca Raton Bowl), and how each and every game has playoff implications. They break down whether or not the Bucs should give Jameis a huge extension, if he would be willing to take a paycut, why this might be the week that the Bills finally take down the Patriots in Foxborough, and how the 49ers and Rams both still have plenty to play for. Pat also reacts to the announcement that Johnny Knoxville is back in the saddle for another Jackass movie that will be released in March of 2021. Today's show is a fun one. Come and laugh with us. Cheers.

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On to our lovely and sweet guest Josh her shoes and entrepreneur writer seeker and Community architect over the years. He's focused on creating mindful heart-centered spaces for queer people such as the thoughtful gay man and queer it a global Community for queer introverts and this queer it space thing project has events in the New York City. The area but actually all over the country and World there are meetings and Gatherings all over which is just a really cool thing Josh believes in the power of belonging and connection as a means to bring healing and a sense of togetherness to queer communities and I really hope you enjoy this episode with Josh. Josh thank you so much for being here today. I really thank you. It's really fun that you know that we got to meet kind of in person at my the podcast launch because Cuz that was a such a kind of like I don't know interesting expression of kind of the heart of what I'm trying to do with this project. So it was very very meaningful that you were there and got to witness that I really appreciate humming. Yeah to see I felt like all the performances like embodied your podcast in the different way. And so it's cool to see that - I don't know different facets of it. Yeah. Yeah, that's And ended up I'm glad it ended up that way. Yeah cool. So I like to begin each each episode with you know asking you to reflect on an a part of your childhood or a time when you were younger and what are the earliest memories you have of messages you got around being in a body or what it meant to have a body. Mmm-hmm. Yeah. Hey, I guess one of the early ones is like go out and play my parents telling me of you know, going outside, you know, whether it's during the summer in the evenings. I remember, you know, just writing my bike a lot around the neighborhood playing with friends using our imagination. And kind of coming home once the Sun is going down. So yeah, I spent a lot of time outside and sort of like using my imagination. And so I think I kind of combine those two things, you know of being active and out and about and then but also being in my head and kind of using that to meld with whatever I was doing physically Interesting. Yeah. Yeah. So your parents in some ways are you know the environment you grew up in definitely encourage you to be pretty independent in a way and yeah, I can see as you know, what well the one thing I do know about you is you're a Virgo and that you and the other thing I know is that you are an introvert. So I and I am also a Virgo introvert. Yeah so I can imagine. I guess if I were to imagine myself, you know being told to go outside and play or encouraged to go outside and play was really when it happened with me. It was very helpful. But it also a lot of independent time was so great for me as an introvert. But it also really kept me like our does still keep me in my head. You know what I mean? Like really a lot of quiet time to kind of be in your head and I wonder how you sort of Gated that in your baby in your childhood, but also in your adult life that kind of balance or had those Tendencies. Yeah. I mean, I feel like going into junior high high school. It definitely turned more into anxiety of being in my head. It's yeah, it was just more. I think it was probably around like middle school high school when I started I don't know worrying a lot more about my health and things like that. I didn't really have ailments per se that were going on, but I found web indeedy and so I would go down that Rabbit Trail of hmm. Who is this? What's wrong with me is this what's happening? And it got a lot worse than High School. Cool, I think just I don't know. I was like editor of the newspaper my senior year and student body president. And I remember having panic sort of panic dreams at times when I would just I would be imagining either school work or things that I need to get done at work like as soon as I close my eyes and that's all I saw and I like couldn't sleep. And so yeah, there's a lot of anxiety I was Joking with my boyfriend the other day. I was like I am the most mellow I've ever been in my life right now and and he was like, oh really, but it was just a very inducing time and I felt my body was not sort of like a safe place to be in a lot of ways because I was afraid like what what could I have? That sort of sort of thinking Hmm. Do you? Can you speak if you feel like it a little bit about how that might be related to I mean, I don't I don't know exactly your trajectory around, you know, understanding your sexuality, but was there something about kind of trying to figure out like what you have or what's wrong or that feels in any way connected to trying to understand? Impulses and desires you are experiencing. I mean, it's definitely possible. I think I you know, otherwise why I don't know why it is like the middle school or high school. I had that much anxiety, you know, I just I guess there are personality types. That might be a little more anxious. But yeah, it was in I would say grades or middle school when I first his kind of like oh, Mike more attracted to guys I think but I didn't I didn't really have the words for I mean, I knew like I guess I knew the term gay and some way but I always think about a commercial that I saw probably in middle school or high school where it was like this is a weed to a like a grade Schooler and it was like a dandelion and then it was like this is weeds like an eighth grader and it was like we'd be like I was like, oh my gosh, like I felt that's I think what I thought about sexuality in a lot of ways is I just didn't know I remember one time in Middle School in the dramatization of his pretty different than what happened. But I remember standing like in the hallway and this girl who's in my class. She just out of nowhere. I don't really know what it was, but she was just like are you gay or she said like don't even know if it was a question. I think it might have been like a statement and I was just I just remember being like like I sort of I think laughed it off and like my friends are around me and it was just it was such a hmm. I didn't know. Like I knew the term but I didn't really know what that meant. Hm and then is that in part because of the environment you were growing up in yeah. I mean probably I grew up in Topeka Kansas, you know, which is middle of the country and you know, I grew up in a more conservative Christian environment so it you know with thinking about Out bodies. I mean, I don't think I thought probably consciously thought about this at the time but just how your body is in one way like a temple and is like, holy but then it's also dangerous and like can be a bad thing and you can do bad things with it, you know, so like that's sort of a like as a kid. You're kind of afraid of the your body in a way because of what it could do or what, you know, it could lead to I'm sure that probably caused some anxiety on some level especially as I was realizing that. What I wanted to do with my body or you know was probably different than maybe other guys in my class. And yeah, you know, I'm just listening to you and I'm thinking that is such a I mean it probably is a familiar experience for some people who are raised in a particular kind of religious environment, but that is for someone who's queer. That's such a Confounding set up in a way like that. There's something very yeah. You said temple like something sacred about I don't know in what in your kind of family belief system or a religious belief system what it was that like, did you have to do something to ensure the sacredness of your body or was it more like abstain from the desire like the other kind of bad impulses? Yeah, I mean. What it's I mean, it's a lot of stuff. I haven't, you know, sort of Unwound or and detangled untangled until I was an adult but you know, just the idea of your made in God's image, but you're also at your core sinful or like Fallen, you know, those sorts of terms. Yeah, so it's kind. By quo which one you know, which one is it? You know and I think become an adult, you know more and more. I'm like no, I think I like or I am good. You know, I think there is an inherent goodness there, but that, you know that can years later and so yeah, I think it was so that was sort of another mixed message of You are made in the image of God, but if you do things that are bad. You're jeopardizing yourself. Mhm. And Matt was I don't remember hearing messages much from the church. I actually went to but I grew up in Topeka where Fred Phelps and his whole family live. If you're familiar with like Westboro Baptist Church, so they actually painted it at my church a lot for different reasons. I think like the chief of police of to pee Eco went to our church for a while and you know, they will go after anyone so I remember those signs being outside of our church so that he know is that was just another thing of like, oh white like, why are these people out here in front of the church, you know Church being good here with my soul. And this is very confusing like yeah, that's a lot of different messages and You didn't have a way to talk about that with your family for instance or anything. No, I you know, I don't remember. I think I remember my parents saying I don't know if I were asked who those people were but there was an underlying belief that they were sort of crazy or you know, like they were not good people for doing what they were doing. Yeah, but there was he out there was never a conversation and I remember yeah. so I guess I'm just picturing like I feel like I'm kind of getting like a picture of like younger you and then ice have so many questions about sort of how you taken and somebody's taken the experiences and messages that you grew up with into what you created or are creating in your adult life and particularly sort of the way I came across you is is through Ooh, yes, it was through your Instagram or know it was through that interview right that you a podcast interview that you did. Yeah. What here Spirit? Yeah, of course Spirit podcast shout-out to Chris. Yeah, and you know I came I was really struck with this idea of like combining the notion of queerness and introversion and how you've navigated that it's something I deeply relate to not as an introvert and also someone who's been over many years been seeking like aspects of resonance in queer community and finding it but also finding myself not always knowing how to like feeling kind of on the outside of certain communities for mostly for you know, kind of this this reason essentially is that that I yeah, especially I think when I was younger and maybe in my 20s or something would have been really nice for her to have like one of your Gatherings that you organize will talk about those but you know to just explore what it means to kind of be a little more introspective and quiet and also like very out as queer and you know, I don't know so I'd love to hear about how you kind of came into understanding those things about yourself. Yeah. I don't think I really they really connected the two of being queer and introverted until I moved to New York to be honest, I think. It became such an overwhelming place to live in in terms of like the stimulation that I pretty early on. I went very inward into myself that you know, I've always been sort of like a reflective person and I enjoy thinking about the deeper, you know, whether they're like spiritual principles or you know other I don't know that unseen. I think a lot about those sorts of things. But when I moved here it became very physical in that. I was just like wow, this is a really intense place to live and I can't I can't see myself. I can't be as social like even more social on top of the stimulation that I'm facing just with the city itself. So commuting to and from work. And you know, you can go anywhere and and be very stimulated quickly. So I thought a lot about how I don't like I don't need more stimulation. I need connection with people and I think that's sort of where a lot of queer it came from is that I was just like I want to be with queer people but like I'm having a hard time doing that in this city in the different spaces and activities that I found like can you talk a little bit just maybe for people who are listening to understand or maybe find some resonance and it's like what what did you find particularly challenging to navigate socially like on top of this kind of yeah the daily stimulation of of this place. Yeah. I mean, I'm I'm very much a morning person. I'm not a nightlife person and I think that really kind of like sort of how was another layer on top of it. I was like, well, I am like exhausted by 9 p.m. Usually and I'm up early so You know go like the queer spaces in the morning. Like where is that happening? You know, that's another sort of just rare Rarity. It's like me I live pretty close to Central Park at the times like I would get up early on the Saturday and you know go to the park people be walking their dogs and be like me am Elderly with enjoying art. I like our quiet time together, so I just haven't Haven't done like a nightlife is not something that I'm drawn to. So I ended up doing a lot of things by myself, you know going to museums, you know walking around the city and I would you know, invite friends whenever I could but I was just very, you know very much by myself, which I like for the most part but I think it crept into like a very deep like loneliness, you know where I've never felt. As lonely and any city as I have in New York, so I you know when the idea what I watched Hannah gadsby's and not special and and she said that line about you know, where did the quiet gays go? I think that just was like a it just nailed sort of what I was feeling and the question that I was asking but I didn't know what that question was. Yes, and so, you know as you know a psychotherapist. You pray know the power of questions like that that just instantly got me thinking. Okay, where are where are the quiet gays? How do I find them and I ended up just being like I'm it's time for me to I feel like I have this vision of a space. I want to create. Hmm what I love I want to hear about that vision and draw you out a little bit on it, but I guess I'm curious to about What about being? I liked what you said about connection and New York. I'm curious. What like what Drew you to New York because in a way living in New York one aspect of it is that you kind of in some ways are always you always have the potential to connect with other people even in like I'm thinking about, you know, Subway commuter whatever sometimes it's incredibly stressful and very stimulating but also it can be kind of quiet moment. I'm thinking about like the dead of winter when everyone's like really pissed off and so they're in their coats and We're all just quiet together, but not alone. I don't know. There's something kind of paradoxical about living in New York and some Curious like what Drew you here and then you know, maybe why you've stayed instead of like leaving and that's less stimulating or something like that. For sure. I mean one of the main reasons I moved here. I was in a relationship at the time and we had decided to move here and you know, it was like Largely for sort of the career moves that he was making and I you know, I deeply believe believe in what he was doing and his talent and so like I had been in Chicago for six years. I was ready for something new but New York was never my like Dream City. I never thought I need to live in New York someday. So yeah, we moved here and I transfer it was able to transfer with my job as well, which is nice. But the yeah, I I sort of wasn't prepared for the I've been to New York, you know many times to visit but it's so different when you live here. I was excited about the the chance to explore and like see the city and that sort of thing but I yeah I so I did plan on movie. I I almost moved probably like three times. It's here to go to the Pacific Northwest that was sort of my plan. I was just like, oh the Pacific Northwest we go be with nature and trees and I decided I was like maybe a few weeks from this, you know moving and I changed my mind. I felt I didn't want to be running away from something. And I knew that that would be the case in a in a big way. So I ended up staying and I was just kind of like I'm gonna just try to Enjoy it or try to just like be here instead of like one like in and one like out and then and I think last so last summer. I went to an event that a woman named Ruby Warrington put on and she wrote a book called sober curious and I went to one of her events and Brooklyn it was called sobriety and psychedelics and it was this like panel that was talking about. nothing for micro dosing to sobriety to you know other drugs in psychedelics, but it was such a community of people there was like they did breath work and we did these like mantras and did you know sort of these like woo woo type of activities that I love but I've always felt like it was harder to find those sort of people in New York because it's more about it just feels like it's a more of an East Coast sort of like All rather than like mysterious mystical sort of orientation. And so when I went to that I was like, oh my gosh, like these are my people, you know, and they are here in New York. So that sort of gave me and yeah, that was last summer and that really gave me a boost of you know, there is something here for me and then a few months later queer. It came to me and I think that was by mistake. You know, I think the idea was waiting for me to some degree. Yeah, I'd love to hear about The project the and also about how how people have been responding to it. I mean, it's kind of from what I've observed just from social media, but there's really an interest kind of in a lot of different places. So yeah about it. I mean it is it has far surpassed when I ever imagined wait with that idea came to me. I remember thinking to myself like are they are other queerest Rupert's like how many are there and where apparently everywhere and people are just really sort of thirsty for that sort of of that sort of environment that sort of option and being seen I think it's interesting because you know introversion and extraversion. They're not really very visible things that you can see and people don't Then identify as that, you know, you were kind of just pushed into whatever scenarios that are around us and you just have to adapt and especially in New York. I feel like it's just you kind of have to just be able to adapt to whatever is around you so that makes it hard to find others, you know, when we're not like identifying as introverts and we're not sort of of I don't know fighting those in environments. It's sort of aspect of Personality that I think I don't know is queer people. We it's a part of us that I know we just haven't talked about before openly, right? Yeah. I think that's why I like part of why I really love like queer poets and reading queer poetry because I think it's it for Mary Oliver. It's like such a connection not that I assume all poets are introverts, but you know that but it's a kind of a lens or a language for expressing a kind of reflectiveness or dedication to quiet reflection. And I that really resonates for me, but I guess what's so interesting about we are saying just as I'm thinking about it is that because it's not visible. It does take a level of of not just self-awareness, but actually for me at least discovering it really it's pretty obvious that I'm an introvert but based on my like activities or what I prioritize in my life, but I think that you're right when you're in a certain environment like New York and or wherever where you have to kind of adapt to the situation or at work or you know, whatever the case maybe you don't it really is kind of like an embodied practice to sort of figure out like it's yeah how much I'm an introvert. Am I how much can my like my sense of self sort of take in terms of stimulus? You know, I mean, I hear a lot of that in kind of the languaging that you're using in this project. Yeah, like what is my threshold? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and it's okay. If yours isn't very high, you know, I think the coolest thing that I've seen at some of our events is just especially in the winter months by the end of the two hours like we had the whole windows fogged up of the coffee shop from talking so much. Hmm, and it was so cool to see that, you know, we as introverts we create We crave connection as much as anyone else but we're often battling the environment that were in and in so much of our energy is being devoted to that that we're not able to invest in much as in the connection part of like talking. And so like when there's an environment that the music has well, like the lights are soft, you know, there's were able to devote our energy to that connection that we really love. So it was just funny. It was like people think so often of introverts is being shy or like not wanting to talk to people and but I found the such the opposite to be true when you give them the environment that they will actually Thrive it. Hmm. Yeah, what have you found that you know as you've kind of maybe come to embrace this part of yourself more as like someone who lives in New York and you know has an introvert introverted Tendencies. What are the things that you do and prioritize in a daily basis, but kind of maybe wouldn't have done a while ago. If you hadn't been more like giving yourself permission to kind of be to have the threshold that you have you Yeah. Yeah, I think it's it's helped me so much with like setting boundaries of like how I want to spend my time and who I want to spend my time with you know, I just I think it's given me such a confidence of like now I don't want to do that and I don't feel guilty saying no because I know I have a limited amount of energy and you know like to give of myself and how How I want to spend that is with you know, the people that I love and resonate with and with you know, the situations and environments that I really believe in and like, you know want to show up to to support. I feel like it's really yeah, I think that's the biggest a guy I really stepped into is you know, I'm not I'm not saying yes to things that I just really don't want to go too. In whatever City you live in I feel like that is such a good life skill to have and it's not like I'm using oh my introversion as an excuse. I'm using it as a way to help me set a boundary that you know is hard for me to set for myself. Yay. Yes, I can see social, you know, like I don't want to like me and if I can be a Hermit on some days I would you know, I would definitely choose that but I love being around people and in finding that connection having that sort of deeper conversation about life. And yeah, the mysterious things of Life the spiritual things of life, you know getting into those conversations and I'll I'll be there the whole day. Yeah. Yeah, do you feel that the way you started to have these may be boundaries and using? the introversion and or the acceptance of introversion is sort of like a guide do you feel at all like A lot of people is a really broad statement but a lot of queer people are looking for like sex and community and attraction and have maybe been like, you know, this is the really conventional story. But you know, they've been deprived of it and their childhood and they're sort of like making up for it and their adulthood because like they live, you know, they've chosen to live near other queer people and I guess I'm just curious like how you seal about and I know you're saying you're not saying that you're actually saying I do like Community I do like other people but I'm just curious because so many of the opportunities to be social to you know, kind of meet people are very much around like you said nightlife or you know, that kind of stuff bars, whatever. You know, how have you? Yeah, how you navigated that? Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I think so many of those sort of like spaces and rituals are so unconscious and that's you know, it's just it's just what we do. This is what you know, this is how you socialize. This is how you meet other queer people and I think you know this applies to straight people as well, you know, whether it's sort of like bar culture or just how we socialize there. So little Consciousness and like intention behind it. It's just like oh, let's go grab drinks because But why are we doing that? Why are we like getting ice cream or like why are we here? You know, it's like this is just the way it is and I feel like his queer people. We're the ones that are should be over are always questioning things, you know the status quo and how we show up in the world and I feel like that is sort of embodies what queerness means of like, can we get all the cat ladies together and like we like Can you out or you know all the Quay people who have reading, you know, like let's get together and do something like can we imagine bigger or wider? of what it means to socialize and what it mean connect with each other and that to me is exciting because this queer people were we like let's keep creating the sort of spaces that we want and being the sort of people that we want to be and you know, so like that feels more like an Act of Creation where I feel like a lot of the traditional sort of socialization things are murdered like consuming in some ways of just like It's it's unconscious. I don't know if that makes sense. Well consuming and also about consumption in some ways to you know, like you're saying not that your anti consumption, but just that they're so there's so much about like this unconscious. Yeah. I like the way you said that it's like we're a wrote Behavior, you know, if you want to meet someone like you're single now go do this, you know, and your friends are encouraging you to like go to this bar or do this thing and what are you doing a first day there? You know that that stuff is it is kind of prescribed and in some ways are you know, there's a lot of pressure around that and yeah, it sounds like you've really You found a way within yourself to pretty relentlessly like accept these aspects of who you are and that is guiding you to kind of create these spaces. Yeah. Yeah. And I think that's why that's how I've navigated is like well, I don't see something. So I'm going to create it and you know that feels to me sometimes easier than trying to find something. You know, it's like I don't know in a way. It's like I want to create this and then see I just didn't know if anyone would resonate with it. I think that was the big but the fact they are I mean someone message me yesterday and I won't I won't say his name, but I'll just read like a short message of what he said. He said. I've looked at your feet for less than 30 seconds, but I already feel so understood and less alone and to see that you had an event less than an hour away from me is so encouraging you were doing incredible work. I could cry just thinking about it today was a low day, but this has helped me. Thank you for what you're doing. Hmm. And this is you know a queer and the fellow queer person fellow queer introvert. Who and that's why I've heard from so many people's that like, I just haven't had a space to go and order to like step forward into this aspect of myself. Yeah seems like we're also when you're talking about introverts that are our people but predominately in terms that are kind of drawn to these events and and your feet and what you're doing. We're also talking. Talking kind of about empaths, you know and like yeah, you're sensitive and people who are in various ways. I wonder like what you're finding out about that too because I think that gets to like this queer embodiment piece to around like if you are a sensitive like a sensor Ali sensitive or emotionally sensitive or empathic person certain environments are really challenging or certain relationship expectations, or On intimacy are challenging and complicated. So yeah. Yeah, there's there's there's something that's just being with each other. That I think is just is healing for queer people and you know, we can be with each other in a lot of different ways. But I think for this group of queer folks who are more introverted just the act of sitting with each other and being able to talk. Is just without any expectation of you know, is this a date or am I trying to meet someone, you know, it's just like we're just coming together to not do a whole lot and that is exactly what we need. in in that in there have been I feel like queer folks who have come to our events that have not felt comfortable in like bars and things like that, you know for whatever reason, you know, whether you know, they're women or their person of color trans, you know, like and and that to me has been like amazing as well of like I like I want all of us who've kind of feel like we don't have a place to be able to come, you know, and we're all coming around this like one sort of aspect of ourselves that if we looked at each other we wouldn't have known but well showing up right great. Yeah middle of it and clearly it's I mean, I would love to hear how What your understanding is of like the reach that this is had. I mean you've been like in multiple Publications interviews, you know, I mean, yeah kind of in a lot of different places. Is that right? I mean, yeah, we've had events in seven different cities so far, you know, I think there's this sort of the three elements of queer quiet and sober is sort of like the three things that all of our events revolver. Around and you know, the sober aspect of it is just you know, we don't have alcohol at our events and and that's a newish thing for me as well. I mean, I used to be a wine buyer. So there is a time with you know, I was drinking quite often but through you know a series of events last summer as well. I was just kind of rethinking just thinking about my own Mental Health just the sadness that I feel a lot and you know, why am I putting something into my body that is making my life harder than it already is it was a queer Carson as an introverted New York City and I think that's been the other aspect of it that people have been really drawn to just especially like younger queer folks who have reached out to me and just saying like thank you like a I can't drink now and and B, I don't really see myself wanting to but there are so few places to go that's not present. And so I'm not you know, I'm not saying that we like Institute prohibition, but I think that we should be challenging and I've read a few assays of just like challenging intoxication culture challenging having a queer critique of this. substance that is pervasive in our communities, you know, are we questioning it it you know, it kind of goes back to what I was talking about earlier of Are We being conscious about the sort of lives were creating for ourselves and with each other and I don't have like a roadmap for that but I think it's just being present and and yeah questioning like is this serving me is this serving us? And are we talking about addiction are we talking about mental health we need to be and because otherwise we're just continuing to cover it up with you know substances and you know, it could be anything. I'm not just alcohol but That's yeah, I think that's what's sort of made it more compelling and people find it kind of strange some queer. People are just like there's no alcohol like what you know, what is that about? What are you doing? Yeah, right, which is a statement then of itself of our culture at large, you know, it's our society that we live in is just it's just an unconscious Act of let's drink Yeah, and I think you know, I'm just I'm thinking about the way that substances also helped can help sort of mitigate the discomfort or the yeah the discomfort of navigating intimacy as a queer person when it feels uncomfortable. I mean, I think that that's that's so much and like I see that a lot in my crack. My private practice is with people is just is really like people who are still navigating like trauma sexual trauma or dis or dysphoria and there's something about like needing a Reliance on substances to sort of help mitigate social interactions or interactions around like desire sex, you know, like sexual attraction and things like that that you know makes what you're proposing it does make it. Jake I think you know legitimately challenging it's not like a kind of a unicorn happy Fairyland place. It's you know, you're sort of proposing. I guess the way of understanding is or you're proposing like it's very confronting in some ways the idea and and kind of pleasurable to but like confronting in the sense of being committed to a level of sort of presence and introspection. With one another and that can be hard. Yeah, it is. I mean in especially like if you're thinking about like then I guess introverts. I mean, I know I used alcohol and social settings where I felt anxious or overwhelmed, you know, and that was that was my the way that I sort of got through it and last November and December was when I was like, I'm going to just not drink for these two months and see what When's if I cannot drink in November and December the like I think I can do it any time of the year. So I remember going to a few like holiday parties and I had you know my club soda and you know, whatever mixer I had with me and I remember the first, you know, 15 20 minutes and I was just like, oh just felt the tightness in my chest and but you know the anxiety but then it eventually went away. And I was connecting with people and I was having the conversations that really energized me and make me feel that sense of belonging and so it was just so interesting to see what was on the other side of what I feared before. Hmm. I didn't want to I didn't want to go through that tunnel of discomfort. Yeah, and then I found out I could I was like wow. Like I am more resilient than I think I am. Yeah, that's amazing. So I have we're coming towards the end of our time and I want to ask you one last question that I want to hear how people can kind of find out about you. So the last question I'd like to ask it just kind of going back to thinking about this younger version of you may be the one that's like riding your bike or in church, or you know, what? What do you think you I would like to or would have liked to have heard or had someone say to that younger version of you knowing what you know now I think it would be just like you can relax you can rest. Yeah, that's okay. Yeah, just like rest let yourself relax. I think that and I still hadn't started today. I mean today was horrible day and you know the room but with her I was just like I feel like I could just go off the deep end and then I had like Windows of it's okay like relax and like let the feelings that you're feeling just like move through me instead of Having an stuck. Yeah that just like that ability to rest. Yeah. Yeah takes a lot of trust I guess. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I really want people to be able to kind of find out about what you're doing. So it's very interesting and new wish and so how can people find you. Yeah, they can go to queer introverts.com or find us on Instagram at queer introverts and we yeah, we update kind of what Going on the events that are coming up and we also have a Weekly Newsletter every that comes out every Friday morning. It's called queer and quiet and we have just sort of a reflection piece in there and then some interesting sort of Articles from the week that center around queerness sobriety and introversion cool. Really appreciate you taking the time and super nice and talk to yes. Thank you so much. I appreciate it. Can all be free. Maybe maybe maybe maybe.

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All right. I'm we started recording no need to record Todd talking trash Chris. You don't need to hear anything about that. I'm going to maybe be a good question ask you how does one develop the capacity to back squat 185 50 times. But if we have time you can answer that. Let me do a brief introduction for you here. Can you guys all see Chris? He's maybe on a different screen. Let me see if I can you guys should all be able to you can make him the bigger picture if you want but doesn't need much of an introduction. Chris has coached at this point dozens and dozens of games athletes. He runs aerobic capacity seminar, which I highly recommend you check out I saw him on Watt on the waves last year and learned in those three hours more than I had learned in many many. Trainings and Specialty seminars great stuff and I'm really excited to have him on here. So Chris Welcome to our Mentor Group Well, thank you. Yeah. No, thank you that what on the way is boy. What a what an experience that was, huh? It was amazing. And as you may or may not know Fern and I will be back on as well as my wife Rose and we saw that you will be on and we recommend all of you guys check it out because again, are you doing three seminars again? Do you know what you'll be doing? I don't know. I do know that they reached out and asked which coaches that I collaborate well with which I gave them Dave durani and Chad Vaughn. So I do know that they Dave and Chad both have agreed to also attend which can be really cool. Especially if I have an opportunity to collaborate with one or both of them in some type of content presentation. Be great. Yeah interviewed Austin for today's episode of went up today about one of the ways that he mentioned Dave Chad and of course, you know, the Mayhem team will be there. So you're interested in training with some of the fittest in the world. It's pretty great. You know, that was I'm glad that you brought I mean that those three one hours so they told me originally that I can do three one-hour class of but they would all be the same and you know, I always feel like And you're given those opportunities that you really should respect what you're being given and deliver to a maximal ability. And I find that that a lot of people in the early days when they're starting out even anybody in the job, you know, they get paid a certain amount of salary and after being on that job for a year or two years, even though they haven't taken on more responsibility for some reason they think that they deserve more money. Any I look at it where I get these opportunities always and I want to respect the fact that if I got an opportunity like that eight years ago, how would I treat it today? And I always look at it where I want to sit and that's what I did. I sat until those lectures were around 1:00 in the afternoon. I sat in my cabin and wrote and rehearsed and practiced content. I wanted it to be as best. It could possibly be and that's why I wrote. Three different one hour pieces because I wanted to respect the people one that were showing up at all. So let's not forget the value of this opportunity and you have to be reflective when you look at value. Well, I think that's one thing that everybody loves about you is your you know as much as you've grown within the CrossFit Community, you are one of the most humble individuals I know and it's very clear from be having been a participant there that you put the time in I don't feel remember but we were walking towards it one day and all of us were completely lost on the way because the ship was so huge, but we did find it. So I wanted to give our members the opportunity to talk to an expert such as yourself. And I asked them you should be able to see the capital as you answer the questions. I will kind of moderate and look for the next one. And if it's something you want to follow up on with that specific individual will let them come off and dive a little deeper into the questions up work for you Chris. It's great. Yeah. All right. So let's let's just start with Dave Mitchell's question Dave's on here in full uniform and looks like not not a rest in the bad guys, but sitting there. Do you change your approach to training as it gets closer to the open or if you have another event coming maybe like a sanctionable event or where the game's not for the open? No, so I definitely don't do it for the open for sanctioning of them. Beautiful. There we go. All right, Chris. Sorry about that. You still there? You are me to go ahead. So thanks rules is a whole different thing. I mean part of it is is that athletes are now looking at sanction has a differently not just necessarily about the qualification and getting a bit into the game so that they can make prize money and so in some cases athletes are peaking and tapering going into a sanctionable event and that historically hasn't been the case that athletes would do competitions as part of training and now they're breaking up the season and targeting specific events, and I see that in terms of Elite level athletes now where they have a different season than a third the games the games absolutely the games. The trigger is completely different for every athlete and it depends upon their strengths and weaknesses and how I program what makes it tough now is this new format for coaches? It's really really difficult because you know, Essence you have different tracks and different programs for every individual athlete and that's one of the reasons why I have scaled way back. I can't manage effectively athletes and continue progressing them in the direction. We both want to go unless I give them more attention and time. Great great answer. They're satisfied with that answer David. Let's go on to Catherine's question. Her question is what is one thing that we should be incorporating more into our average crossfitters programming to see the highest benefit to aerobic capacity. I think the big thing is that we need to slow people down and a lot of times in CrossFit and in classes. What we do is we focus on intensity and we're trying to drive adaptation in the direction in of Intensity, right? We're trying trying to make people stronger trying to make ask her. But in order to do that, we have to allow them a chance to recover in between those efforts, right so you could take simple movements such as weight lifting and look at five by five back squat and we're giving them a passive rest in between those five reps. And the reason is is because the focus is on the five repetitions and the low Oh that we're lifting if we knock them down to one minute in rest, then they will have to sacrifice. The number of reps, right? They won't be able to do five or they'll have to reduce the low that they're lifting in CrossFit. We cannot control the amount of recovery time that we get in workouts. And so if we're always training around passive recoveries that were truly not prepared. What we should be doing a lot more of is telling Athletes to move during recoveries at lower levels of intensities essentially creating different gears than you know pedal to the metal. Let's just rock and roll a grip and rip we should really be focusing on, you know active recoveries. Maybe the next time you get into a 5x5 back squat. Maybe what you should be doing is a three-minute 500-meter row. I liked that he talked a little bit about that on the podcast as well. And I think that's great stuff that we can utilize Jose wants to know about your Excalibur program. So the program is a partnered up with Jesse Burdick who is a really truly Best in Class in powerlifting very well-known. I met him at a training clinic at Reebok about five years ago, and I was so dazzled by Jesse Burdick and I I ended up having dinner with him that night and what was fascinating is that I was sharing my Concepts and how I program my methodologies and just how I relate workouts into performances and just the way I assess athletes Ironically in lifting. He does the exact identical thing. It was really something that was seamless and it was easy to do we communicated well So we kicked around this idea. That wouldn't it be something that if we did a study that basically said that you know, what if you're an endurance athlete and you do small doses of lifting that I actually can make you stronger, but I will also make you faster. Let's say in the movement of running likewise. I was saying wouldn't it be interesting is that if I give small doses of running to a strength-based athlete who is on a strength protocol One of the interesting is if they got stronger while incorporating a running program, and so we talked about it. I talked to CrossFit about it and possibility of doing this study which they didn't express any interest in doing it. And so then we said let's just do it ourselves. Well in any study What happens is that you're going to have to pay people to do the study and you end up potentially risking or compromising your data. So we turned around and we said, you know what? Let's charge 200 dollars a person. And what we will do is charge people so that their expectation on strength and endurance is as high as it's going to be right and what we were looking for was the data and the Improvement and we're going to release the numbers. I mean that's part of what I've always done is released the information because I believe what we're doing in the CrossFit space as a community is Leading Edge, right? We are creating a level of Fitness in a population of people that is Is extraordinary and in my opinion and so we just completed the first round we had 500 people go through. So it's a huge data point and we'll publish what strength Improvement numbers came up and what improvements came in there 400-meter time in the mile times. Very good. Robin wants to know what are your favorite running Skill Drills to add to CrossFit warm-ups to help improve athletes running technique. Wait, can you set it broke up a little there? What are your favorite running skills and drills to add to CrossFit warm-ups to help improve athletes running technique. so my number one, I'd really really I love doing things such as jump ropes beforehand and I love the idea of doing double unders or sing the lenders and then dropping the rope and going for a run interval it teaches people muscle memory the foot strike when you're jumping rope is landing on that mid foot for foot strike and you get that that muscle memory when you go into a short interval. I really like that if we took that a step further, I like the idea of throwing in a ballistic exercise into a run. So something like a holding a plate overhead and doing an overhead jumping split lunge that forces a higher level of recruitment or higher percentage recruitment of fast-twitch fibers because of the increase in force. And then I love caring that increase percentage of fast twitch fiber recruitment due to the ballistic into maybe even a sled push. Maybe what I'm doing is going into it some kind of a short time domain Sprint. It gives me a lot more value in the work out because instead of training a small percentage of fast-twitch fibers. I'm actually training a higher percentage of those fibers. I like those ideas. I like the the combination of a plyometric such as like say jumping rope into a another movement as well as a ballistic into a another movement. Keep in mind that other movement must be very similar in the movement pattern. from Mitch drills to help with mindset in workouts that are challenging. He has a few athletes that don't handle going into the pain cave very well. So this is where an athlete has to take responsibility in a workout and I always tell people that the number one thing that you must do when you look at a workout as you have to assess as an individual how much time is it going to take me to do that workout? You also must look at that one. Have that time domain and if it's longer than three minutes, we know that we don't have enough energy to take it out fast and and hang on in anything longer than three minutes. We must Pace workouts that are three minutes and longer because that's the way you know, we got to pace to maximize the consumption of are available energy. So knowing the time domain that becomes critical because it defines our strategy. The other thing that we must do is we must identify the sticking point in every workout. So there is a sticking point in every workout and what we must do is we have to prepare the body for that point so that we're not surprised and a good example of that is Julie foucher. Julie foucher was my pick to win the games in 2015 before she broke her she pulled her Achilles. She the first workout I had her do was a 404 time and she calls me afterwards and she says I want you to know I did your 400 but it took me three attempts and a shock like the three attempts to do to 400 and she told me she says well, you know, I lined up on the first one and somewhere in the middle, you know, I had a panic attack and I'm like wow a panic attack and she says it no real panic attack and I'm like, what did you do? She says I you know, I Calm down and after about 30 minutes, I warm back up again. And I did the 400. I'm like, but you said you did it three times. She's like, yeah number two. I haven't had a panic attack. And so she tells me that she did the same protocol and she you know won't calm down warm back up and finally did the third time and so I turn around and I asked her I said, so can I ask where did that panic attack occur? And she told me it occurred at 240 meters in on that. David in every workout. Like I said, there is a sticking point and if you all think about if you had to run a lap around the track as fast as you possibly can we're in that lap around the track, would you encounter that? Uh-oh moment that moment where it's like man this thing is now all the sudden it got real. Maybe it's like- thought maybe it's you know, it's it's it's frustration. It's anger, but if you could make it stick, In Point close enough to home where you can finish for me. My sticking point in the lap around the track is at 232 240 meters Julie interestingly enough hers happened at to these panic attacks happen at 240 meters. And the reason it is is because I asked her what was your game plan? And she says what do you mean? So what was your game plan and run lap and she says Chris it's just a lap around the track. Yeah, well that tells me she didn't have a plan. So imagine when she got to that sticking point and her you know, she's breathing through your ears and bloods coming down her eyes. There is a mismatch between her perceived amount of pain and her actual pain and the brain perceives that as we're in trouble and it creates a phantom fatigue hers manifested into a panic attack. You must always assess. Where that is about that's point and the magnitude of that intensity. If you don't you will underperform you see that as athletes, they just turn down the switch and they shut it down. So in every workout it is that way if you look at a 10 minute workout meal even need to know what the workout is at. What round do you feel that? It's going to be the point where if I can get past this I'm close enough to home where I can finish foremost. It's round seven and eight. If you can get through that eighth round, I know I could finish 9 and 10 four laps around the track you finished lap three, you're golden. You have to assess that point the second part of that is that if I have athletes that Elites that quit, they don't work hard. They Define their high intensity based upon prior performances. I used to do Fran and three minutes now, I do it into well what makes you think you can't do it in 90 seconds. So I will write workouts for them that forces them to go out fast in the beginning. Meaning I want you through that first round of Fran and I want it done and let's just give it time minute. If you don't we're stopping and we're going to restart we're going to do 250 meter sprints on the track. And you know what that first 50 meters better be under seven seconds or I'm stopping you and we're restarted with Julie foucher. One of the things that I did was is I broke workouts into four parts and I made part 1 2 and 4 all the same the third part I had it. It's really difficult meaning I wanted her to focus her attention when she looked at that work out and said, oh that third part that is the hardest part in this workout. I have to focus all my attention on that. But in reality, what I was doing was is I was making it so the fourth part was actually the most difficult because now she was gassed where she would have normally quit and the thing is a since part 1 and 2 are the same as for they would sit. Are at 4 and go you know what? I think I could do it because I just did it to earlier times and so I would write workouts in that way for her and it was highly effective. I pinpointed where I wanted her to focus our attention on in the work out because she wasn't good at it. I highlighted where the sticking point was. So it's from a box perspective a coaching perspective. It sounds like there's two good lessons that are one maybe when your briefing at the Whiteboard you can kind of ask your members. Hey, we're in here. Do you feel like you're going to hit that and once you get there realize you're almost done and you know, you can make it but then also secondly and maybe some things we don't often do our Get people to go we've I forget what we've called them before I learned it from Connor from Connor Murphy and they would be like you have to hit 30 calories on the assault bike in two minutes or you have to repeat it at the end. So people would go balls out at first and then you're like shit now. I'm just in recovery mode for the rest of the workout, but it's an important lesson to learn. Hey, you will survive right? I mean that's part of it. So the other so when we talk about the sticking point, there's There's two sticking points normally in every workout. The one I just mentioned is metabolic. Its energy, right and what you're saying is that at that sticking point with one lap to go in let's say a mile for time with one lap to go. What you're willing to do is go above your lactate threshold above your maximum sustainable pace for that last lap essentially you're in that Death Zone intensity, but because you're close enough to the Finish you can bring it home. The other thing is that you have a muscular sticking point as well. So if there's a 10-round workout or a 10-round workout in each round has a different movement and let's say movement number in round number two its thrusters for me. I would have to realize that I'm going to be struggling in that second round because my least favorite movement is thrusters, but if I get through that now I'm good to go and I'm only dealing with a A bollock sticking point, so there's two issues in every workout and if you don't prepare your brain for those those those sticking points you underperform. It's called a hazard score perceived exertion or perceived pain versus actual pain. That's a that's a tough lesson to get people to understand but I think it's super valuable. So let's move on to Matt's question. He wants to know your thoughts on nasal breathing, aren't we supposed to be breathing that way? So, you know, it's interesting that there's everything in life. It seems like that we get things super complicated and we bypassed the initial protocols that are the most important. So first of all, I think nasal breathing has value it without a doubt. It does have value. It just depends on when you are applying that value and your overall Fitness and whether or not it should take precedence over something else. We don't have unlimited free time. And so should that be your number one priority? I am more concerned with with athletes intercostal and diaphragm strength and muscular stamina than I am with programming in nasal breathing and Recovery through that math method most gymnasts and Lifters fail because they're their diaphragm and intercostal are the weakest muscle in the body. They just haven't trained it. And those athletes also don't have good rhythm in their breath. You know, one of the things that our brain to know is is when is that next dose of energy coming, you know, is it a random breath meaning? It's like if I am, you know hyperventilating and then a long pause breath. It needs to be consistent swimmers without a doubt. Have the best breathing Rhythm if you think about it, if I breathe on my right side every stroke then you know what my brain knows when that next dose of oxygen is coming that next dose of energy. But if it's random it will never settle my muscles because it doesn't know when the next dose of energy is coming. So training the Rhythm or the consistency of the breath that cycle of the breath. For example, I made a comment that Frazier knows if people are hyperventilating or not. He knows It by the movement of their chests. The rhythm of the breath is key. The other thing is that if we look at workouts and we're trying to breathe and nasal breathe if we talk about intensity in terms of VO2 max. You cannot get a sufficient amount of oxygen through your nose on a intensity higher than 60% of your VO2. So if we're sticking with nasal breathing the problem is that I am forcing myself to hurt real bad. Bad and training myself to go slow. And in my opinion that is not the highest and best use of an athlete's time. And so that's where I sit and I struggle with it because it has value and I practice it myself and but if I'm looking at an athlete and I'm prioritizing their strengths and weaknesses that would come way down on the list. So when you get a newer athlete, I think a lot of the coaches on here. Here get the question of okay. When do I breathe during this movement in my response is typically at some point just breathe. So do you find in like a lifting movement or butterfly pull ups that you coach people to breathe at specific times, especially at the beginner level or is it just hey get in some sort of Rhythm regardless if it's concentric or eccentric going on. So the thing is is that when the load gets heavier than movement requires you to brace you can't breathe through it. So it's mostly about awareness. So let's say that we're doing let's say we're doing 21 and thrusters and then we're about to go into a set of 21 pull-ups. Well we have to be aware of is that are we in control of our intensity or out of control of our intensity? And the breath is the tell right our Aerobic System is our oxygen. And so if we are hyperventilating in the beginning of a workout and we have you know, another 10 minutes to go then we have to be aware of that hyperventilation and awareness is critical because we either in those moments we voluntarily slow down or what happens is we see it people hunched over in their hands and their knees where they're involuntarily slow down and that's the biggest mistake you see in CrossFit is that anybody who has their hands on their knees with involuntary slow? Downs has already ruined their potential adaptation in that workout. They ruined it and why would we have athletes that are intentionally ruining or limiting their potential adaptation? It's a waste of their time. We need to train them to be aware of the breath that the breath is the tell and if you are not close enough to finishing then you better get back in control of the breast so that the muscles the muscles can settle. It's always Funny to me you see people shaking their arms out, you know, and it's because their muscles are oxygen-starved. Why don't you focus on getting back in control of your breath and then the muscles will then follow its the breathing. It's the oxygen it's the Aerobic System that is about awareness. That's the most important thing. So there are times like me 95 pounds Thruster. I cannot breathe through it's too heavy for me. So I hold my breath And I come out of those thrusters and I got to wait for a while because I am hyperventilating. Hyperventilating is a sign that your demand for oxygen is exceeding what it's applied what you can supply it's about awareness. Yeah, it's interesting. I just came from Jiu-Jitsu practiced earlier and I was telling my partner I listen to how hard you're going and I just so when you're done you're done. All right, let's done. Let's go on and Daniel's questions. You knows of your past and he said he had a lot of X Runners in class and have long time running injuries. What's a good way to reintroduce them to running painlessly, I think because a lot of them are scared they know what their body feels like. Could we get them back into running in a painless fashion rather than always just having them scale to rowing or biking or ski rigging? Yes, so that's a really a tricky thing. So I work with a lot of Masters athletes and we have to provide options for them. That is something other than running like Rich Froning. For example, you know, he has no cartilage in one of his knees. And so we have to come up with other ways to to help train that movement of running without actually running and that's one of the reasons why Rich does a lot of Then biker workouts he does a lot just as if you were riding a road bike or a mountain by climbing up a mountain you're out of the saddle and and you're in a much more upright standing posture. The other thing that's a value is is running uphill running uphill is much less stressful. So this is why they are runner in the true form are so valuable is because essentially on those two products are running uphill at around The 6% grade meaning that your stride length isn't as long you're not over-striding over reaching over extending your front foot. Your impact is also softer because you're meeting the tread in a 6% rise. So we end up incorporating a lot of that type of training the problem is it's not everybody has access to those. And so what we would typically do is have people do slow. Like intervals running up a hill for a two to three minute time domain with a slow walk jog down to the bottom. A lot of people unfortunately don't have those available to them as well. So what we'll end up doing is types of hybrid types of workouts. So for example, we will do a lot of let's say a sled Sprint short time domain and then what I'll do is I'll put them on a assault bike. Like and what they're doing is they're just mostly using legs. So I am essentially in the pushing of the sled where there's a high Force demand creating a tremendous amount of lactic acid in the legs the running muscles. And then what I'm doing is I'm using that similar movement pattern in an active recovery, but doing it on a bike. So I will do let's say a 20 second maximal effort on the sled and then what we'll do is we'll put them on the bike. And I'll do a recovery for three minutes and I get a huge amount of crossover with that value. I'll do multiple rounds one creates the fatigue the other clears the fatigue five rounds say 20 seconds on four minutes of active recovery. Well that leads right into Gretchen's question. And her question is you know, she heard you talk about PVC presses with a handstand push-up we talked about it Spencer handle talks about it on an upcoming episode. Actually that we have going up going out at next. Well, that's cool. How do you choose what types of active recovery movements you choose to pair with the movement itself in order to increase the capacity. So we use an active recovery for two things. We do it to extend the amount of time an athlete is moving. So athletes have limitations muscular stamina and one of the reasons why we've run into muscular stamina problems is because CrossFit athletes Will typically do a passive recovery after an effort versus an active recovery. And so what we do is we incorporate a PVC as a way of forcing an athlete to address a muscular stamina a weakness. If we never challenged our muscle fibers to recover on the Fly then what's going to happen is that as your fibers fatigue and your brain shuts them off and recruits the next Each eventually, it's going to circle back down back to the original group in the fibers. Well, if you haven't gone long enough those fibers will eventually have a muscular contraction failure essentially at cramping and you're done. That's why marathon runners run a hundred fifty miles in a week is the elites because they don't want 26.2 to be a stamina issue. Now the other thing that crossfitters and why we use these these clearance type workouts or active recovery is To improve an athlete's ability to clear lactate in a localized muscle group through performing a particular movement. So what we know is that as we move and if we move fast enough and long enough a muscle will create lactic acid lactate in these fatigue housing properties and if we keep moving long enough and fast enough eventually, it goes into our bloodstream, but we know and short Durations, it's localized. So if I create lactate in any movement, I want to combine that with a clearance movement. That is something similar to the one that just created the petite for the purpose of accelerating the body or that muscles ability to clear lactate at a faster rate so that we can do more work. So it's twofold we do lactate clearance workouts PVC to extend the length of the workout right to force the athlete to move longer in the active recovery, right instead of sitting in a chair or standing around and doing nothing and the other is that we're forcing the muscle that has just built up a tremendous amount of lactate and we're teaching that muscle group on how to actively clear that lactate. It's so that they actually can recover faster. You mentioned marathon runners, I think at some point everybody on this call will deal with someone who's at the box but wants to train for a marathon. Yeah Howard. I'm at asked a question in line with that. What are some good ways that as coaches we can support their goal, you know be at a marathon or Triathlon something extended period like that, but maintain intensity and Effectiveness in class. That's a great question. So You know that we must as coaches. We have to look at someone that walks in the door and wants to get good. Let's say at a marathon. Once you get better you have to look at the entire structure are their muscle groups that they are leaving behind where there's opportunity. Right? So like I comment about Rich Froning he was one of the easiest athletes that I've ever had in order to make better for in the movement of running to ever did was sprinting right. He just sprinted all the I slowed him down and I developed a slow twitch aerobic fibers and you know what in 10 weeks he went from a six-minute mile down to 541 just running two times a week. It was because he left behind his slow-twitch running muscles. So I just developed them if we have a whole spectrum of fibers. We don't want to limit or ignore certain groupings of those fibers. We want to make sure that in time. Higher fiber spectrum is developed if we look at a marathon runner and we look at what they've developed. You've got to assume that, you know what their legs are optimized just assumed that. So, how are we going to make them faster? Well, what about the other parts of the body that other muscle groups that are involved in the movement of running other than the legs? What about if we threw the protocols of CrossFit we improve their bodies ability. For example this motion of when we run our arms. What if I have you on a rower and I actually can spend more time training this push pole, right or an assault bike. Can I improve the aerobic capacity? Paucity of those other muscle groups and their ability to clear blood lactate. So remember when that Runner is running fast, they're generating lactate in the legs and eventually spills into the bloodstream lactate shuttle and it's going to move into all throughout the body. It's just trying to find vacant slow-twitch fibers to burn it off. What about through the protocols of CrossFit? We improve the body's ability to clear lactate in these non leg muscles could Marathon runner run faster absolutely it can so that's the that's the value proposition. You've got to look at the other movements and are they neglecting opportunity? The second part of that is that it's agent athletes. So I'm 56 and if you watch me run I run still like I'm a kid and it is because normally as we age we lose range of motion and we lose lean muscle mass and so you Older athletes from the age of 42 the age of 70 your stride length gets cut by 50% because of those two things. The way I can preserve. Mine is I work my range of motion. But I also work on strength. I am interested in maintaining my ability to generate power and I do that by lifting heavy Runners as they age. You know, what they do. They go from doing 5Ks to 10 K is 2 marathons to Ultras because they go from a long stride length to a short stride length because they have no ability to generate Force. And they have no range of motion. I've trained a few people through marathons not in such an ideal way like you are describing but I typically have some articles like Gregg Allman's and who had run a hundred miles through CrossFit training and a few other people. Do you have any good places we can direct our athletes to say. Hey, you should still be using CrossFit as your foundation and incorporating some running throughout the week, but you don't need to run a hundred miles to prepare for 26.2. Yes, so I think so. Here's the thing is that crossfitters were general fitness athletes, right? We're not specialist. So it's some point in time we have to to make a determination of whether or not a an event such as a marathon put you into more of a specialized category. So let's say you wanted to train for an Ironman a full Ironman. You're a specialist. You're no longer. You've got to pay attention to To that specialty sport so that you don't underperform in my opinion a marathon without a doubt has a specialty event and you have to prepare the body for that event. But you also don't want to neglect the added features that are going to keep you injury-free and also balance out the development of the other non muscle or non-use muscle. Neighbors you want to have a strength based program you want to have a high intensity based protocol? Because the entire muscle fiber Spectrum in a marathon is going to be taxed and if you are not utilizing programming from a high intensity speed strength power standpoint, then Part Of Your Arsenal of Fitness going into that event is going to limit your performance. And so I look at it where I I am concerned. We're at athletes don't put a time on their feet. You have to do a longer run on the weekend to prepare the structure for what it's about to experience again. So it's not surprised. The problem is is that how do you do that with a conventional marathon training program? You can't because what what do they do on the weekend? It's it's 13 today next weekend. It's 14 then it's 15 it goes all the way up to 18. In my opinion, I like to do weekend runs and it's a three-week rotating micro cycle. I like doing the long run as a one-time event. The next work out. What I want to do is I want to break it up into half that quantity that of your long run where you're breaking in and you're doing a progressive run easy to moderate to fast. Let's say three miles easy to Miles moderate one mile fast. And then what I would do is take a long run and distance equal to your long SI single day, but I would break it up into an AMPM workout. Meaning I'm going to run eight miles in the morning and four miles in the evening. And for the body doing that it's going to have the same cumulative effect. It just won't be so damaging. So I like rotating those every three weeks as I progressed up my volume and that's the way for a Crossfitter to two State because they stay healthy. All right. I'm not going to take him too much more of your time. I'll give you an opportunity to talk about the aerobic capacity seminar and of course your foundation, but I think this is a great question for a final question because we're all about coaching and no bonding with our athletes and cultivating a great experience. Yeah, so Matt says you sound very personable which you obviously are early on did you find that you gained trust with your athletes through building relationships or with delivering results? So it's it without a doubt that's about results. You know, it's funny. I this voice so I met Camille in June of 2013 and she had come to the track with Jason khalipa and at the end of this track workout. She comes to me and she says so you be my coach And we go to the game and we win and you stay my coach, but if you you don't make me better than I'd never call you again. And I was like, wow, like I was floored. I wasn't even I mean this was in June of 13 and I was driving home and I'm like wow that boy, but then I got to thinking about it. It's like that's actually the truth that that's our job. Our number one job is to deliver performance and you know back in 13. It was easy to do those things. That's why I like working with Matt Fraser. It's very challenging because the easiest Was gone three years ago and I always find that that if at coach is able to hang onto an athlete for a long amount of time, they're still delivering performance and that is an amazing coach because the athlete is the one thing that is The Testament to the value of that coach just like our members members of a gym. If you can retain them, it says something about the gym. That's why I when I go into a gym, I always ask. How long have you been a member here? Ear because that tells you how good the program is and so at the end of the day what everybody is looking for is performance they want performance and if you are able to deliver that they'll come back the following day. So in a Box level for these guys for us as coaches when someone is contemplating leaving should we immediately think hey, we're not providing them with performance improvements and sit down and discuss. Their goals were they started and show them that they are in fact making improvements the I think that so I'll give you an exact so Sara sigmundsdottir, I coached her two years ago. She went to the games and she finished fourth that year in Madison, but that runs from run. She finished a minute behind Sam Briggs. It was a Monumental performance. And then she goes on to a retreat was Sam Briggs and then next thing you know. She calls and she says I'm leaving Tennessee and I was so bummed by that it was like wow, like the Mount of progress that was made in six months was was it was remarkable? And it really that it really hurt me as a coach and and I reflected a lot on that and I think that the mistake that I made with her was I Make her take ownership in most of her training that I would take on that responsibility. Right she would submit in results. I would assess the results and based on the results. Here's the next plan. I think that it is a huge mistake for coaches to not have athletes take accountability in the game plan. My job as a coach I've realized is to write amazing programming and that it maximizes the value of the time and the athletes willing to commit right maximize that adaptation in that most efficient way. I also must explain the purpose of workouts. Why are we doing this? What's the focus and so that they buy into it but is the athletes job to own that workout and to perform in that workout and that's not my job. I'm not the guy that should be sitting there going great job because how do I know whether or not it was really that great. That's what the athletes should be determining and if you're running a class with 30 people, there's no way on Earth, you know. All 30 or doing and whether or not they're working harder easy. So I think it comes down to really athlete ownership and getting them to buy into the game plan and believing it after they've decided to go like Sarah when she said it's just like, you know, what all I could say is good luck to you. Where does that begin in a class? I think it's comes with the start. I think that part is is that a coach needs to be reinforcing that here's the game plan. This is what we're doing. This is the direction we're going on and this is why but let's say for example, we talked about those like we brought up that that like a lactate gout, you know, see an active recovery. What I'm what I would do is if we had a class that was doing let's say You know, let's say we were taking a movement and we did 12 seconds. Let's say we did shoulder press right? So let's say we took a plate we did 25 pounds of 12 seconds of shoulder press created fatigue and then a PVC 48 seconds slow recovery five rounds, no rest. Let's say that we did that all as a class and then next week. We're going to do the same workout. It's five rounds 12 seconds of shoulder press with the plate and then it's 48 seconds with the PVC. But now the difference is that the people who did that work out before what we're going to tell them is this You guys did this workout before I need you to decide whether or not you want to work on your strengths or you want to work on your recovery? And if you decide that you want to improve your ability to recover in a shoulder, press instead of doing your shoulder, press today with the PVC. I want you to get a five-pound weight. And what you're going to do is a very slow active recovery shoulder, press with the five pound plate because that's the direction of adaptation you want you want to improve your recovery. If you want to improve your strength your ability to tolerate your fatigue, then we're going to focus on the intensity side. So Chris you at 25 pounds. You to get 30 pounds in you're going to do 30 pounds today because that's the direction of the adaptation athletes you guys pick which direction you want to go in meaning you get them involved in the work out and making a choice of which direction they want to go in because that's how you get them to take ownership. We could also do Fran for the sole purpose of doing Fran to create blood lactate and now the coach is going to write three movements on the board. And at the end of Fran I you're going to accumulate 2 minutes of one of these three movements at a very slow active recovery Pace to train the body how to pull lactate out of the bloodstream and consume it as a fuel in one of these three movements. So you have a choice after Fran you're going to do two minutes of active recovery PDC deadlift active recovery floor, press active recovery. Through a shoulder press right. There's your three choices and you're going to pick one of those get them involved. My point is is if we are always pushed in and showing people what to do. They take no ownership back to Sara sigmundsdottir. I was teaching her Transitions, and she tells me I can't do a swim to run transition and get my shoes on I have to wear socks. And I told her I said okay. So if you wear socks how fast can you do it and she says I don't know. I probably can put them on in 30 seconds. And so I took off my shoes and I set them up, you know how to do a trend and I'm good at this right I can get both shoes on wet in under 5 seconds and start running and the mistake I made was as I should have gone head-to-head against her and did it my way against her way and been 200 meters down the road and said, okay. So are you willing to to tolerate blisters or do you want to make up 30 seconds of time? That's the difference if we're always pushing versus involving then there's a different level of connection. I love it. It takes me longer to put on my shoes every morning than that. So I'm going to give it a try. I have a question. I have a question for you. Can you put your shoes on and tie them while standing? That sounds like another wager for me and Todd. I wear velcro shoe laces. So yes boy. Meaning you can do it standing because you have to bypass flexibility. I don't know. I think I'm still young that's you know what I checked that every now and then I'm like, okay, I still got it. Yeah, you got to put your socks socks and shoes and tie. I'm standing both feet. All right group you heard it from the man right there. That's the challenge. That's the homework for the week. We want to see posting that in the group Chris before you get off. Please tell everybody where we can a you know, the CrossFit has changed their model. It's no longer specialty course. It's a preferred course where we can find out a little more about that. And of course, the the ultimate trail run is coming up actually one of our she was on her way to Pearl Harbor right now, but she also wanted me to make sure you knew she was volunteering Tuesday and help. Out with the kids and one of our members Bethany owns CrossFit Kapa / on Kauai. So we have a lot of ties to your foundation to tell everybody about those two things. So aerobic capacity.com is website. And yeah, so CrossFit did change things up. They went away from these specialty courses and now calls it a preferred course essentially giving the prefers pervert course providers more autonomy. I mean we're able to do a lot of things that we were not able to do in the past such as changing content of the course the structure the flow of a course one of the things that I do with my courses, I teach all of them and our sport is evolving in an incredible rate and the content of these courses should have be evolving at the same rate for For pacing, you know pacing like we talked about earlier. It's a huge buzz word in the sport, but in 2013, I was fast for pacing providing people rest in intervals. I mean how great was it that rest was in an open work out right that crossfit's recognizing the value of these things but we as instructors we have to evolve at the tip of the spear and that's what I like about it. I am always putting cutting-edge things that I learn from athletes that I coach and that's what's part of this course. I do. I love the course. It's a one day course and we're loading more courses. We just loaded three more courses today, but there's a bunch more in Europe and throughout the u.s. Is coming up. So yeah, I'm really excited about that. I've been playing around also with putting that course online just because there's a lot of demand for it and honestly, I'd like to do a level. I've talked to Connor Murphy about you know coaching that with me. I would like to move into other spaces of it. We've got about 3,000 people that have already gone through the course and so there's decent numbers that are out there. And if I did an online one, then we can do a more intensive version of it. I believe that there's in this sport across fit. There's going to be consolidation at some point and I think that at the value at these gyms where I go. It's the coaches that are the Smart Ones the ones like the people that are spending time in our today to listen these ones that want to learn that's where I think the action is long-term. Those are the ones that are going to flourish and dominate and there's the ones that are going to make the money and that's what I want to do is I myself I want to drive into that next layer of knowledge to I mean for my own sake so that's yeah Aerobic capacity.com. I like I said, I what we've talked about. I dive into that detail on the courses. I really genuinely love it. It's a true experience and I just did one in Charleston, South Carolina. And what a great time. That was I I love the course and that whole day for me is a treat. The caliph Foundation the ultimate Hawaiian trail run that that is something coming up middle of September every year. I think this is the sixth year of Janet every year and it's the cause that that Heidi my wife and I contribute into and it's not just Financial contribution. It's really about time and I have always given in to charity and I don't know about everybody here on the on the on the call, but charity is an interesting thing. You know, you always hear about it and people doing things, you know, charitable contributions and things but the key the number one thing that you can do is immerse yourself in it and commit time. I can't I can't even begin to tell you the level of satisfaction and and happiness and I can't quite I can't describe the happiness from from coming out of it because let's face it that caused over there is awful and it's so sad and And it's a huge bummer. But when you contribute time for people that genuinely need help that level of feeling that happiness. I just I really encourage you to not just in the trail run but go find something. If you don't have something where you can immerse yourself into it and the back end happiness changed its changed our lives and and in a good way. It makes me want to give more time and to be more generous and be Open and caring. Yeah, it's been a wonderful thing for me as heart-wrenching as it is and yeah, check it out. And if you could ever make it over to that event these kids in the war zone that they're in is it's beyond description of what's happening to them and the Hawaiian families are going to disappear from drug alcohol and suicide and murder they're going to disappear and it's happening on a wrap. Bad rate that whole culture and it's it's yeah the Dynamics of how it's happening is just it's remarkable how awful it is, but like I said for me and Heidi it's incredibly enriching and I really encourage you to not just that, you know, charitable Foundation, but any foundation if you immerse yourselves, I just it's the most rewarding thing I've ever done. Well, hopefully this is up there as one of the most rewarding things you've ever done just under giving back dirty, but speaking for our entire group and fern Todd and Cape be on the call. We just want to let you know we truly appreciate your time and I learned a ton and I've seen you talk and I look forward to hearing you talk again on what on the waves. I don't look forward to incorporating any of that running that you talked about. Out into the workout, but as long as it helps to be taught in the 2020 open, I'm happy. So thank you so much Grill it thank you so much always good man, always good, but any time a bunch of our people are telling you the Sea on the boat, so thank you guys I love but thank you everyone. Alright. See you guys. Bye. Thanks for listening to best our of their day. If you haven't heard about anchor it's the easiest way to make a podcast. Let me explain. First of all, it's free. How cool is that? 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Welcome back to calling all friends the collaborative Opinion podcast where each week you will hear from different people in different ways. If you're new to the show, our topics are suggested via Instagram, you can find us at calling your friends dot pod and when we were initially getting this together and I was first asking for ideas and themes anxiety and depression came up really frequently in my DMs because it's such a huge conversation. There will have to be multiple episodes on this subject. But this week I thought we'd Focus specifically on social media and how that can impact our mental health. We're still at the very start of a brand new year and some of you may have set yourself some goals around social media. But remember there is never a bad time to make positive change. And if you feel that the time you're spending online may be doing more harm than good. This episode might be for you before we get to our call. I want to know how social media makes you feel. Social media can make me feel absolutely everything it can make me feel happy sad angry. I think it all depends on the kind of mood I'm in so if I'm feeling quite down already then if I see someone with a really clean house or a really gorgeous looking makeup or dress then it just makes me feel absolutely terrible and quite angry about myself. However, it can make me feel really happy when I see amazing things that are being done or when someone is really I can feel really happy for somebody. I think the way that we see social media can depend on what we are feeling on that particular minute or hour or day because we would feel may be very different the day after if we looked at the same post or watch the same video all over again in 2017. I was pregnant with my second set of twins. I was given a diagnosis of a rare but life-threatening pregnancy complication. The only way I found Comfort was to search on social media for somebody who Been through the same diagnosis as myself and now I share my story online to to help others who may be going through the same or similar situation to feel less alone. So I think social media has a positive impact on my life and my mental health. Ultimately. I feel like social media is got some sort of hold on like a lot of people I've got this like love-hate relationship with it were sometimes I love it. And I love seeing you know updates on people that I don't see very often and then other times I get fed of us in the same advert and the same people person so rubbish and I deactivate my account for a little while and then I have to come back to it because I miss keeping in touch with people. Who is an actively keeping in touch but just being able to see what people do it without being in touch with them? I think social media has the ability to make you feel amazing. You can ride a wave of positivity if that's where your mindset is and share that and get that feedback from other people. However, it has the ability to make you feel really bad if you're not in a good place or You're so somewhere in the middle bit of a gray area a couple of posts from people that make you feel inferior that your life isn't good enough that you haven't made a success of things can really be quite damaging. I think it has a the ability to have a Force for good me too body positivity all the sort of hashtags. No airbrushing all fantastic movement that by and large have a lot of the time starts on. Each other spread on social media, but there is that element of it's not real. Lots of people are showing something that isn't real and so your everyday average mundane person that works 9 to 5 Monday to Friday, you know has a holiday a year that they've saved up for worked hard for and pays the bills watching these people that are constantly on holiday and appear to just get things gifted to them. Feels very vacuous and it can feel quite insulting and it's although they're trying to advertise something and that's that's taken for granted. You know that but it can build a throwing it in your face that you are just an average player Bob and this isn't the life that you're going to have and I'm not saying that's intentional at all. I think people make a living out of it and that's fine but for younger People there's this whole fake emptiness out there. That just has no substance and it's hard to explain that the people with a teenager in my life now not in that way. It's hard to explain that that's not a role model or a something to aim for I personally flip-flop on this one myself is an amplifier for me. And if I'm feeling good that I look for the good and I can back away the bad but if I'm already on a downer that it can definitely Lee it like it doesn't uplift me it can bring me down further. We know that everyone shows their highlight reel but it doesn't stop us from seeing their feed and wishing we had that bag or that figure or that job. We were on that holiday or just that we feel as happy as they look in the picture and even as a content creator, I know it's a game I've staged photos. I've posted happy smiles when that's not how I'm feeling. I sent a tough parts of my life sometimes and even knowing all of this. I'm still susceptible to these same irrational fomo feelings it sometimes feels like will never In off or being off or measure up and you could be forgiven for thinking the whole thing is toxic but like Primark on a Saturday morning. There's good stuff to be found. If you really want to look for it. I know it was a terrible analogy my guest this week is just about the most perfect person to weigh in on this topic Fiona Thomas literally wrote the book on depression in the digital age. She overcame her own anxieties and survived a nervous breakdown and has gone on to help other people through her work and the community she's created online. If you are listening to this podcast chances, are you enjoy social media? To some degree. It's probably how you found out about it. And if you've lived through this bizarre transition from analog to digital age. You will love Fiona's book. She was also kind enough to give me a review quote for my own book last year. So, you know, we generally love Fiona. I actually recorded this call from my car to be sure we weren't interrupted since Fiona super busy. She was very generously giving me her time and we ended up running really really long and I totally ran away with the conversation in parts we talked about what we wanted from social media like when we pick up our friend she made some really Good points. I'd never thought of before when we pick up our found what we're looking for how it makes us feel whether we relying on it for something that we can't get in our offline lives how difficult it is to find help and an unexpected theme was our relationship with alcohol whenever the subject of potentially toxic habits is in the air. My mind always goes there. So although it's not entirely on topic. I think it is relevant. And I found Fiona's responses to my constant tangents to be really insightful. Hello, I'm like, it's me because mental health is such a massive massive topic. I felt like I wanted to break it down a little bit into chunks and I thought our social media would be a really like a nice easy chunk to start with but I feel like maybe that was actually the biggest chunk so back trunk. And also my issue is that social media is just that they got for anything that's going anything that's gone wrong in anyone's life. Especially mental health everybody just seems to want to blame social media. And actually I want to tell you is just big you've got a personal issue going on and it maybe you're ignoring it by scrolling through social media. Does that make sense? I completely agree. I think it's an amplifier. Yes. So in the same way that I mean, I know that alcohol is a depressant but in the same way that if you go out and you feeling really great you have a drink then you'll feel great. But if you feel really down it can meet you really really bad. I think social media is this thing? So like if you're in a good mood you got bro, if you're in the bad mood, then you constantly comparing yourself and it'll bring you down exactly and a lot of it. By speaks a lot safer to participate in social media and when I'm writing articles and things like that and in the thing they always see as don't don't go online and tell you're emotionally ready and think about why you've kept up your phone and that's that's a big thing that a lot of people struggle with those quiet. I pick them up or there's a lot of the time it's because you're on your own and you may be feeling lonely so stuck up your phone, but then when you use concerns regarding you see everyone That's ability that get invited to or everyone's having an AO and you do you know what I mean? So whatever you're feeling is already on your Mains and then when you go into the world of social media UK know if you're feeling crap, you've got that negative bias. So you're already going to pack. Oh, whatever makes you feel even worse. I love that. I'd never really thought about what your I know from social medias pick up your phone. Why are you picking up your phone by what do you want? From your phone in that moment. Yeah and a lot of the time. That is just muscle memory as just for me. I work from home. So when I pick up my phone, it's Daniel because I'm avoiding did whatever's on the laptop. So at the moment is some very much take a books or a lot of the payment be like rate for 30 seconds back up bottle and it's like no no you need to write this book quite deep and because fascinating a lot lately that's good. And I think as because I wanted to be really Good, and I know that for it to be really good to have to put a lot of work Chris research and rewrites and I think it's just that kind of self sabotage of actually. No, I'm not going to make it good. I'm just going to ignore I'm gonna ignore it because there's that fear or and all this work and then it's not good then I'm not dish so I'm just a couple. Yeah, that's totally true. That's the overwhelming feeling of like if like if I don't even try and it's not that great then Arnie I didn't try but if I Really hard and it's not that great. Then where do I go from there? Exactly. That's like the end of the road. I did read somewhere that it's something like but you feel Phantom vibrations like if you are in an apple watch for example, and I know that this is for sure true because I got here in there. I'll remember to put it on but occasionally even though it's been such a brief feel Phantom vibrations on my wrist and it's like an endorphin thing. Apparently your body does it to you because it wants you to have that great feeling of looking at your phone and seeing that someone sent you a Message or getting that like rush and so your brain actually sends you these Phantom. Was that my phone I have never heard. It sounds legit to me. Yeah, it does because it's your body you want those like you'd want that Rush? You're like and public or you're on the bus. So every year that you're around like a big group of people and someone thought someone's gone. Right and you're like was that me and it's not you and you're like, no it's not it's not really likes me. Yeah. Yeah. It's a celebrity I think for me recently that maybe not like to social media, but as am not forward as my email in like my work email and I tweeted the writers recently so I can tell how will my self-esteem as by how often I checked my junk meal because it's literally like making through the truck. Yes for validation. Yeah, like that's not had a bulbous talk a bit exciting emails, but I didn't exciting emails. Maybe it's in my junk. Maybe somebody emailed me bitches. With this amazing opportunity that makes so much sense. I wouldn't I would not have tied that self-esteem be totally right like when I am feeling like oh, no haven't done any like major work in a while. No one's contacted me to do anything. I mean at the moment, I feel like it's daily. I'm looking at my junk email daily. I'm convincing myself, but there's gonna be something in there and then it's all like, you know penis enlargement and eHarmony and bikes and she like that, but that's completely true when I never thought. It like that. I had a few things I use social media to kind of counteract that is that because I have built up in a really positive community on Instagram and to list except on Twitter. I basically whenever say it could never somebody say something nice to me or said something about my book or something about in may be done. Speaking gig somewhere in the past some great feedback. I screenshot that shit and I see that and I put on the folder and when I'm feeling crap, I go to the folder and I beat all the nice messages that people are saved me and and that feels amazing. I like that and I hear a lot that like I listen to a lot of podcasts where people are interviewing like actors and actresses and stuff and so many people and even with authors so many people say you can't let in any of it like you you don't let in the criticism then you can't let him the good but why like the good is literally all there is like that's why you're doing it the engagement from people the people saying I really enjoyed this. I'm not talking about just you know, flattery flattery sake but people saying, you know, I'm really really enjoyed this thing that you did if you don't like that in then why would you do it the first place because it's good for ask people to message me and tell me what All of the book the glue of the way to message me and say something like switches. I mean it sort of feels feels genuine. So why would you not drink that up? Yeah. No, I completely agree. So with you working from home being self-employed and how do you deal now with like the bad days the diet the days when you feel like you really want to go a bit. And I mean some things just don't get it. That's the great thing about is that some teams. Did you get up or I will forgive myself for straight away or not get injured or in No, it is breakfast. Not like a lot of water like felt like it's really cheesy but self-forgiveness is such a huge part of in good mental health and the forgiving yourself for not meeting these although having a shower everyday doesn't seem like an unrealistic expectation but these expectations that that UK to put on yourself like why do you have to assure before 12 o'clock? It's okay if you don't so, yeah, it'd be forgiveness. it was like a big thing, but then also schedule it and tape actually evil people because if I don't get the whole thing out only see my husband and during the day so I've started organizing like co-worker in advance and my area Which is super helpful because it's like a Schedule D every month here. I go and meet other Freelancers and I put it on a bit late. So it's actually open to anyone. So it's not like I'm just inviting people. I know virtually anyone can come and see one so that's I think that's really important. And that's also quite like that kind of takes. What I like about social media is that you can connect with anyone but you can meet so many people from all different walks of ladies. So I try and take that sentiment to take it into real life. Yeah, it can still be social. It's not just about scrolling through pictures. Yeah. Well, that's the thing. You've got to you can scroll scroll scroll, but you like bioview not DM someone waving not left a nice comment on their picture a wave. You're not bought something from that person maybe not signed up to the email list of ever like engaging like as creators were all about engagement. But as I can summarize the only engage with people Because that's where you get the real value and you can meet people I've known of people strike up conversations in comments of other people and like become friends. That is what it's for. I have met so many friends through social media I speak about this quite frequently work with the friends that I've got that I don't really have any like what I would consider to be colleagues in this industry. I don't have like blogging friends and I have any friends that I wouldn't still be friends with this. We all stopped building tomorrow. I know that's not the same for everyone. one like it is legitimately social and I don't have I don't have like the the bandwidth to pretend to be friends with people and to be so like I want my social to be like real it's not you know, when you talk about engaging I know that that sometimes it can there are two different versions of that and one is like legitimate genuine engagement and one is it's just Hollow and people reaching out and contacting people and this doesn't have to be created this could be Viewers as well and sometimes on the flip side that could become like trolling. because it's someone someone like thwack. Let's collaborate. Hmm, but it can be like good about like people like hate follow people. I think that there is there's like a line between real life and social media that we've put up that doesn't really need to be there. But we assume that everyone online is like, oh they're just a head. We're in actual fact. Everyone online is like available potentially for you to become friends with if they have put themselves out on social media. That's such a good Such a good point of it like this imaginary light because obviously all the stuff that's happened recently about certain influencers trolling people on on these dates and it seems it seems obviously it's not clear though. Yeah, it seems that there's not going to be any consequences for that with had that happen then out of long event. She's the face like the person may have been arrested. Yeah. So we're definitely and that is a doctorate in social media that we're living and less fees. We were all kind of feeling our way around than the dark but hopefully so now all be sorted. Yeah. Well, hopefully a very least hoping there's some like guidelines or something for that. But like that's a great example of like that person was looking for engagement, but they were just doing it wrong like everything they said 100% is a great with and when I was aware of to begin with anyway, but you know, we're not endorsing any of that but I mean like the read the how I can get along with the fact that I know that people are out there trolling me somewhere is they are looking for engagement anywhere that they can find it and rather than looking directly to the people that perhaps they are interested in they are creating that that line but isn't really there and so they're making it an Us and Them and a judgment and it It was these little pockets of let's be a gang. It's easy to like come together against a common. Enemy I suppose and so it's not. Yeah exactly. I mean, we've all we've all been guilty of that. We've grown up, you know, everyone's been guilty at some point. I've seen something about someone to like get along with the person like that is also saying it no matter how old you were. I mean these cliques just they just exist everywhere daughter is so I think it's The best way that we can like as create those are just as anyone using social media the beacon deal with it as to put something better and to the world. Yeah, and I like that's like a lot of people continue seeing like social media is really harmful to me because I'm always comparing myself to other people ha ha ha everyone looks so perfect or has a perfect life and I'm like, well, what do you do Instagram people people look like oh you just putting up pictures of you on a Saturday night. Once you've had your hearing Complication. We don't know like why are you not putting up pictures or what? You look like on a Saturday morning after you've taken on your makeup or like not saying that everybody has to dance around in their pants or like taking you know, like so many pictures but but like why can you not share the Optics and downs online as well? Yeah because doubting that's encoding for you as well in getting those those kind milk- an inverted all those emotions and experiences open to what was actually really healing for you as well because it builds resilience and you you can acknowledge that things aren't perfect all the time and it makes you stronger to carry one. Yeah, but this is the kind of person who I mean again, we're all guilty of it. We're all guilty of following people and being like Oh, you know, I love everything about this person and I wish I was like this person and my life looks terrible. Harrison But ultimately, it's our responsibility to edit our feed so that we don't feel that way and if there's someone that you feel is just putting out Perfection Perfection Perfection all the time and you know, it's not real don't follow them anymore. Yeah, it's just it takes for emotionally intelligent person to recognize that they're having that reaction to that specific person. And yeah, but it just so happened that everybody fell to problems. Everybody's got something media and I'm a problem is it Nobody's talking about mental health some a lot of people aren't in touch with their feelings. Yeah happy we are not emotionally intelligent. So we don't understand the connection between the incident. No, you're right. I mean, I totally I lose sight of that sometimes because I am such a self development junkie and like almost every waking moment of the day. I am taking in something like podcasts or audiobooks. Even if it's like Memoirs. I love a good Memoir people just explaining. This is how I learned about myself and I'm like, I feel the Locust could possibly be when it comes to like my own mental. And when I talked to the people know like yeah, but what about this and I think but that's obvious but it's not because not everyone is done that I find that leak because I am part of the Mental Health Community online like a surrogate like because we really like yeah moving in the right direction. Everyone's so much more a weird me to heal and then I go back to my hometown and I realize oh, no, actually the general population is not talking about that. And they're not yeah, you know there may be there may be donating to mental health Charities or the seen celebrities and saying all that that's good that they've done that but they today they're not talking about mental health and they're not addressing it with occurred. So their Partners or for themselves, what's funny and I'll have to clear this with Lily before I put this out but I'm sure he's fine Lee and I were and I did talk about this on YouTube like copy is going to happen, but we were really struggling we first moved. I'm to the house with my parents which was like rough. It was a big adjustment and harder than we thought was going to be and we weren't really talking about it, but we were both like silently resentful. He was irritated that he felt like I'd put us in this position which was not the case but whatever, you know, it's all dealt with now, but he'd kind of you didn't know how to deal with his own feelings. And so he was like blaming me. I was blaming him for being so resentful and like what's the word when you like distance you distance? Himself, and anyway separately we were having our own like let's say A Mental Health crisis, and I went to the doctor and it took me forever. I'm not someone like I had my leg would be falling off and I'll be like I'm fine. Like I'm not I do not go to the doctor. Where is he is like a major had the contract. Anyway, the best of times he's got a standing appointment with the doctor. Where is I don't I never go so it took me ages and ages and ages. I finally went in and I was like all smiles and happy and whatever and I was Look, you know the problem is occasionally. I can't catch my breath. I feel like I have to lie down on the floor put my head out of the window. I just I don't know where it comes from. I'm feel like I had what I believe to be a panic attack at work because I couldn't do either of those things and I was in a stall in the the toilet and I absolutely could not and I felt like I was like like wasn't going to be able to breathe. Anyway explained all of these things him and he said everyone's got anxiety now and if you feel like you can't breathe then you panic and you can't really even more so you just need to keep that tape. Deep breaths and I was like, yep. Okay, no problem, and I closed the door and burst into tears and I think part of this was that I couldn't I couldn't be honest about how bad it was and I went in with like a everything's fine facade. And so he probably thought everything was fine. He probably from his perspective. He probably couldn't really diagnose that because I didn't I didn't really give him the truth. How can you recall talking about You were focusing on the physical symptoms are so you were worried that it was like her like a physical concern because I know not all I I did think it was some kind of anxiety in that and I've said this to people so many times like if you already know what if you want to think you know what it is. Don't tell them telling me that I can't what do you think it is? Like I would never go in saying I think I know what's wrong with me because I think immediately they'll be like, well, it's not that so I went exactly exactly but in that instance because I knew I couldn't break down in front of him. I did say look for the first time in my life. I'm really struggling with what I think is anxiety from the immediately. Not you ate separately. I didn't know this but separately Lee went to the doctors and he said he was struggling to breathe. He's got asthma and he was struggling to breathe. He was like freely. Lynn like having dizzy spells very things and he said what was it perhaps something asthmatic related. He's basically always convinced he's going to die anyway, so this wasn't he didn't go in thinking it was mental health related. He did go in thinking it was a physical thing and he came away with a mild dose of antidepressant that is still on now and I was like what like a don't understand. I'll buy this point. I we could kind of joke about it, but we were each struggling with this. Like separately didn't talk about it. I mean the the issue that he was he was given something and I wasn't I kind of struggle with cuz I'm like, is it a male-female thing that I mean truly I didn't need it. Whereas I do think he had something on diagnose that was just discovered that way that he perhaps did need that long term, but I didn't I didn't everything was kind of resolved with me, and I'm fine now and you know, his finds anyone can be but it does make me wonder because we weren't prepared to talk to me. What about it at the time but you I'm so aware of mental health. He's so aware of mental health. We're both on social media people talk about it all the time and yet we still didn't want to talk about it until you experience it yourself mental illness is very much like the other and people because I didn't experience that until obviously the mid-20s and and I just always thought like, oh I can't you just do the things. That you know you need to do to get better more like what exercise or take your medication or why are you this person drinking to get drunk every weekend when they know it makes them feel bad be don't know until you're in that position how overwhelming the feeling is and who you're not in control of yourself. You're not in control of your mating and you can you can't make the Practical decisions because you're just not so until Until a lot of the fortunately tell you experience at your sale. There's only so much understanding that you can half of what it feels like and it's a weird thing of like when you like either late have made to be don't you go back and try and Trace like what caused it? What like who can I blame? What did I do wrong? But it's such a it's such a leak. Strange concoction of lots of different things like it's never dwell in my experience. Not just one thing because like I don't listen to a lot of show claim podcast and and there's that whole thing of like all those kids had the perfect topping perfect parents really like what steel color? Yeah, but then there's this other kid to was in he was sexually abused in he he was abandoned and him he'd started drinking alcohol when he was 10 years old and he does Few killer, but you can like obviously there's lots of things that can go wrong in someone's life. But some people go through a traumatic childhood and it go out on to be like these amazing people live on in chat at ease while in business. He's like and so it's impossible to kind of pinpoint how you're going to react to things and how so much of it as your your physical self and your genes and how much has Environmental For me, it seems to be entirely genetic. I mean that's you know my comp. I mean, I don't mean that you know, you're right. You're gonna be all you're not going to be obviously you have to have like a certain whatever events but given what we know like you say, but one person or two people can have the same experience but go off in completely different directions. There has to be a something in you when you're born that this could happen. Like I know I feel that alcoholism it. I know that's like Up For Debate, but it is a Take trade in my one side of my family. It's like very prevalent through many many many generations and it just you can't get away from these people Nest didn't even necessarily come into contact with each other. They didn't raise each other and yet some families don't struggle at all with addiction and some you can't you can't deny the trail through the family tree. Yeah. So definitely runs like a mental illness runs in my family. it's something that stays on my mind a lot over the last few years and I wrote an article for ages and I interviewed students who have kids with mental illness and I interviewed a psychotherapist to find out if it was genetic because I am not plan on having kids but it's always played on my mind of like if I don't have a kids with are basically be given them this life sentence of depression and anxiety and what the It comes of that kind of research was especially from talking to us I could have but it was basically there's so many factors at play. That genetics are just like 1% of the sure and if you have gotten into Elvis and you as appealing I've taken steps to manage that and you've got these tools that you know, what for you whether its energy or medication or talking about your feelings or Yoga, whatever. You know what you do in your emotionally intelligent like were talking about earlier. Then she argued that you are actually in a better place to be he didn't than someone who's had none of that stuff. So someone who's not had the tables mental illness may not actually know how to manage their emotions that will and they may not know how to manage their child's emotions. And so she was saying that if you've had a mental illness has been diagnosed and you've kind of learn to deal with it. Your kid does have a mental illness. You're literally the best person for the job. Yeah, you've had to do that work that other people haven't and you may even prevent that from from getting these issues because you're so kind of willing to talk to them when things go wrong or talk about feeling or not being the best in class or being sad or get in a better position to kind of have those conversations. Mmm. Now that's that's a really interesting point because like you say you always worry if you've got something like again because it's the only comparison that I have. I wonder like old basic throughout my childhood. I was told there are addicts in the family and this is something that you need to be aware of. I remember when I started drinking. My dad would have said to me, you know, you need to be careful because these think that you know, these things can happen and I wonder because I'm very aware of my own drinking. I don't think that I drink to excess but I am like so hyper aware that almost like weekly, I'm like reassessing. How much did I drink this week? Should I have don't last and it's not a problem in my life at all. It's not something that I crave. It's not something that I have to do. It's definitely a habit but it's not something that I feel like is an issue at all and yet I'm waiting for it to be a problem and from that perspective if you know that there is a history of depression in your family. Are you just is it like a ticking Time Bomb do you? Expect that's going to happen. And could it be like a self-fulfilling prophecy? See? I think the fact that your dad have a conversation with you as I think of what I was talking about like he he could have just ignored it, but he actually did some really must be a really difficult thing to talk about. Yeah, I mean to clarify he's personally not an alcoholic but it's something that you know was prevalent in the family. But so he decided that he needed to do about it. But yeah, yeah. After I had hit rock bottom. Mmm. So I think having the conversations with people just openly like not telling people what to do actually talking about, you know, this is what I went through or this person went through it will let you see like know you're aware of it. Mmm. I am but it does maybe you were kept in check. Yeah. No, you're probably right. It is something that maybe the I'd maybe if I had never known about it, and I would have gone off the rails. but because of it, but I don't know these I think this is the thing that concerns me the people that I knew that did it could go for months and months and months completely dry, but couldn't just have a drink one drink and that was like days lost and so I remember Chelsea Handler who I find fascinating for many reasons. She said in a podcast that every now and then she'll have a detox and she does it because she will get to a point where she feels like she's drinking too much and she never wants to have to give it up. And so she recognized this is an interesting way of dealing with the problem. I think she recognizes that it could become a problem but because she still wants to be able to do it. She stops before it becomes a problem. So kind of reset the habits and I've spoken about this before and people who don't enjoy drinking at all. Like my husband doesn't drink really like maybe like twice a year. He does not enjoy alcohol whatsoever. So to him I probably seem like an alcoholic a glass of wine, but to other people I'll talk about it and they'll go well, why would you possibly like if that was something that you're concerned about? Why would you drink because I like it. Yeah, you can I can't not drink on the basis that maybe one day you'll be an alcoholic. It's like thing. You can lie. You can't leave the house on the off chance that a car meant the pavement and kept shooting leak and I get you know, it's not an essential part of being but it is a part. It's something that I think about all the time because of that and I think that's like I totally understand why people like if there was a way that you could prevent having a mental health Issue because you knew it was hereditary and you just chose not to I get it. It's just it just just kind of always comes to my mind because I talked about it quite frequently and I get like a real mix of like I said something about being dry for Christmas before Christmas and lots of people were like that's ridiculous. And then other people were like, why would that even be hard you're old you're coming from like your judgment or bias? I've like this drunk from drinking because I was very good at spatial but I was felt very very known for a long time. And I'd like to just kind of feel something so it'd make me happy for a while and then I would have liked. For who relapse and be out the game for like a week and that went on for the first few months when I was off work and it was the doctor that said, you know, you don't medication you really need to write as excuse me. So urgently to stop Drinkin and a nice guy was he talking for almost over a year and and that was like a big deal. Yeah social cycle because everybody like that. So we socialize And I that point I thought I'll never I'll never drink again because it just it just was starting to get sore some sort of hand, but then eventually I kind of brought it back into my life, but I know know that when like it's kind of like social media so sometimes I drink when I'm happy, but sometimes I don't want plans like other think everybody going to go through that let you drink to kind of deal with whatever's going on in that moment. So bright glad that you brought it back to the right topic. So yeah, I think I have to be aware of why I'm drunker and it comes back to that emotional intelligence can thing of like why am I drinking and then so the last year after my book came out? I had it has become and like maybe you'll agree. Like I had this bag bag that after my book chemo time like all I got this thing that I wanted, but I'm still the same person. Yes, but he didn't fulfill all my hopes and dreams why so I felt very sad and that came out from under the guise of yes. I'm not in the same way as Chelsea Handler I could see it was getting a hand but I knew that I was going to stop so I knew I'm going to drink too much when they and we got feels so awful that I'm not at all give up drinking for the wheel. Yeah, that's what happened. I had an eight over. I just drank far far far too. But yeah, and then I didn't drink really much over Christmas and New Year at all. So I definitely go through the sequence of Yeah, and it too hard and then be certain yeah, I completely identified that I don't actually enjoy drink it like I do the social aspect. I don't actually enjoy drinking outside of the house. I don't enjoy being drunk and I'm massively because I'm like an extrovert at the minute. I am in a social setting. I'm like off the wall like bananas. Like if you put me in a room with three people and five minutes that you came about you two thought I'd done like a line of coke or they're like nothing I've ever done a line of coke people think you're yes, and I think that I completely identified just before Christmas. This is the problem like this is why I have alcohol anxiety because I actually it's nothing to do with the alcohol because I can have one drink and then I'm like, I'm high as a kite and it's got nothing to do with the alcohol. It's because I'm in that social setting and that everyone thinks I'm wasted and I hate that that is like my nightmare. Is the next day I wake up thinking. Oh my God, my mom said this to me before because she's very similar to me that she will have been driving and she'll go to work on Monday and everyone's like, oh my God, you know Jane you were you were out of it you you were so drunk and she's like, I drove three people home. Like I didn't have a drop of alcohol. But it people think that you are like a full-on I couldn't fall on drunk because that's how you behave and that I like to have like a glass of wine in the evening. At home or like a beer or whatever or like if I'm going out for tea or something, then I'll maybe like have a beer or some whatever but I don't enjoy other people seeing me drink. It's it all comes back to like the social aspect and other people's how they feel. Yeah, because I can do it very very close friends. But like at a Christmas party for example, not fun. Not fun at all. But that's like that that is a major thing because I did developed. Collins idea I would say or what I would call that a couple of years ago and it wasn't until Christmas that I went. Oh, this is what it is. I'm not doing that. So I don't have to give it up. I just need to choose when I do it. Yeah when you do, yeah, but anyway, it's got nothing to do with what we're supposed to be talking about. It was helpful for me because I had basically opened this door until what all chill people who got how I felt and that was just so important to me and I don't realize how important it was until I bought it because I was getting the help from adult time. Talk to a counselor. I was getting like practical support as and like help with money and stuff on that Pier that's on me until I had all that kind of stuff on paper that you need to kind of survive, but I wasn't getting that validation from other people that look what I was going through was. Was normal, but also sure yeah, so especially once you start to play once you've come out of the darkest part and the kind of Crisis Point everybody around you kind of just once you to be okay, so when you have a bad day or a bad week everyone's about like all this again, so having people on social media to talk to but like the intricacies of deal like living with depression anxiety. If you anyways almost all going and just such a support like having having somebody sit calmly, I feel like that like we were saying like I feel like that when I'm hungover psychosis or all I get anxiety from being on the shoulder all these little things that other people want can meet you feel like you are not crazy. Yeah completely. So it is it is a community that can be of a massive massive help like you'd said originally what are you looking for when you pick up your phone like when I first First started like I never had Facebook, but I was a super early adopter. Like I had friends annoyed with me that I wouldn't join Facebook and this was like why like, why don't I don't care about this at all. And so I was a really light a doctor Facebook anyway, and then all I ever used to do was take pictures or night out and then like the next day. I was used to be able to put like 60 pictures up a time or something. Oh my God, it is like my entire next day was posting pictures on but what I when I then kind of discovered proper social media, like as we know it now. It was all through YouTube and what I wanted from that was engagement. I was lonely. I was home all day. I was out of work. I wanted a hobby and the people commenting like I was that it was a drug. It was like I was making videos multiple times a day. I couldn't wait for someone to like, I was watching The View counts that I remember so vividly the first person ever commented on one of my videos was called hell of 79 and she used to come in quite frequently. Lee and she would ask for certain things and that is such a rush it's the engagement from people that we are looking from looking for rather and then if we don't get it that's what brings us down. Yeah, and I think the point I kind of make as well but if you're if you are like kind of fulfilled and life and you've got and you've got friends to socialize where can people go to the park west and you probably don't need social media for that, but the people that are turning to social media for Support other people who are isolated. So as like people have got anxiety and depression or unemployed or like new mums because they feel like victoire get along with anyone other than the baby and that's the people that are reaching out and it's I personally think it's helpful for that as long as I kind of stepping stone and to feel life that make sense and to manage your expectations because I've had so many people in the past. I mean not so many but a few people in the past who have liked commented on something and I haven't immediately responded. I tried to respond to a lot of stuff but you know, it gets to a point where you can't and some people take it really really badly and you kind of just have to take a step back with stuff like that. And remember it's got nothing to do with you like that person needed me to Respond for whatever reason it really didn't matter why they needed me to respond, but they really needed me to respond and I didn't and they were angry because they needed me to respond. They weren't angry because I didn't respond. It wasn't anything. They're not angry with me. Although they cook. They might think that they are they're angry because they didn't get from me what they expected and when you open social media, if you expect something then that's often when you're disappointed. Yeah, I think a lot of like that. What you want you will allow people to take from you. Like if you can't be annoyed at people what in quick responses if you will actually respond with him facing and so everybody who comments because then they'll come to expect that. Yeah, so you kind of have to say expectations with other people that you're not going to you're not going to do that because I have a lot a few friends who are in the social media not socially the Mental Health Community and they get a lot of people increases and and that I made it crystal clear from the word go that that's not what I'm here for. No, you can't ignore that. You'd have to be on your phone 24/7. Exactly. And if you if you start engaging with those people and kind of like making them rely on you then they're not getting the real help that they need not said he can't point someone to Citizens and that's really tough because obviously in a situation like that. I mean, I'm not a mental health blogger or you know, I'm not I'm not a source for that all and yeah, I for sure have received messages where I've been like, oh my God, but you can't ignore that. I can't I have to respond but you make a good point that once you do you are then opening yourself up to you are then the point of contact and I'm I'm not I guess not and you can feel that sense of responsibility, but I think most of us know that we shouldn't be reaching out to Influencers for mental health help. Yeah, but then like you say if that again it all comes back to why you're there and what you want from these people like it's very very rare for me to find someone that I'm following on Instagram and comment or message them. I just I tend to be like more of a passive consumer of content. Like if it's something that comes up and I want it like if I leave a comment I never expect a response. Like I think I think they'll read it. Otherwise, I won't leave the comment. I think they'll see it. But I know that most people don't respond to all the comments and they'll read it. And that's all I'm just putting it out there. That is like I did him and I do TV a little while ago saying that it was all about like when you leave a comment you are either it is a reaction this this got me into some trouble because people were angry that I said this but so we'll see but I said, it's either a reactions your Acting to the thing that the person put out there or you are wanting a reaction. So if that doesn't necessarily that's not necessarily a negative thing. I think people took it that way but like if you put out a picture and it was no picture of coffee or something. I might say something in reaction like, oh my God, I really need a cup of coffee or I might say. Oh, I really want a cup of coffee. What are you drinking? There are two different things that you want from social media. You are either reacting. So you scroll. Are you liking or commenting or you're commenting expecting something? It's like yeah, I think if you are wanting a reaction then the one you need to manage the expectation that not every single time you're gonna get it. But also you need to edit down your feed two people who give that like bigger you say people who are available for that kind of Engagement. I'm just plague FF you're constantly looking to social media for Supporter or let you see your reaction, I think that's that's a different issue. But yeah, I hope you get that externally because if someone - it's like if someone took your phone away from you mmm, they've taken away your coping mechanism. Yeah, so, how can you get that from other places? Yeah, you make a good point because I'm like, well, it's not really a big deal because you know it as long as you've curated your own little community of people who are all happy to talk to each other but like you say offline. Then we'll know what it's like when I'm sick. I'm Costa and yeah, like the world is it was interesting in Italy when the line? Oh, you know again, I'm coming at this from like a creative perspective and like within that bubble, but I know that I see a lot of people complaining about like engagement and reach and all this stuff and I frequently think nobody needs like people talking about engagement and reach on social media the people following you are not or bloggers not everybody cares about how your engagement is terrible on Instagram most of those people. Balaji for your content, they don't care about your complaints with the with the platform that you're using. So I'm like just stop anyway, but once Instagram took away the likes the number of people I saw on Twitter saying like what's the point? It's everybody else like just not going to use Instagram anymore. Like so what why were you using it? What was the point of Instagram if they take away likes and suddenly you're not interested anymore. That is a big deal. That's very telling. Yeah. It's not like they're taking away your ability to post a picture now. They've taken away nothing else and piece of this, huh? Yeah, I'm from the back end. You can still see how many people have liked the picture so it is actually purely status. Which is really interesting and that is coming from people who put stuff out there that is not even people who are relying on like you would you kind of Imagine That from the creators perspective. They have it together and they're putting bit. You know, that's not true because they are putting that stuff out there again for a reaction or to react everyone put something on the Internet everyone shares anything on the Internet is doing one of those two things and it's Look like I got 400 should I talk about this? I'll say yes don't care. Nobody cares. Let's do not care as a consumer of content know as a consumer of content. Do you care that other people can't see like you can still like a picture if you want to like a picture you have not taken away the double tap because like you say muscle memory that would like we'd all go to pieces if we couldn't double tap on a picture. Yeah, like nothing's happening. We just be double tapping on something for no reason and bottled as a consumer of content. It makes absolutely no difference to me that you have taken away the likes and I know that they haven't done this for the good. I'm sure they're somehow monetizing this feature that they've taken away. I know they haven't done it for a mental health, but I think it's a good thing. I think that people will be more inclined to just go back to using Instagram the way they used to and it's going to be less status driven and less You know if I would have found a way to make status because it will then be about comments and thieves and shares and okay, I think they're not taken away. Imagine. It took at least follower can imagine I mean on YouTube the beginning of a few months ago, they started rounding up subscriber counts, which is very interesting because it used to be like you could follow someone's subscribers. Like minute. I'm in a second by second, you know, when all the cancel culture stuff happened last year and thing with James Charles and tati and people would have liked videos of his subscribers dropping. Like Moment by moment, and now it's I think it rounds up to a hundred or a thousand depending on how massive your account is, but now they round it and that's a really interesting thing because it then becomes like you're not focused on oh that person lost or that person gained or so. It seems like these little tiny things are coming in place for the greater good which is why I think ports cast as quick as we can. It was a podcast hands or how many lessons we've had. You can only see them in the charts. Yeah, you don't know about changes aren't clever. You don't really know exactly the fuckers behind that which is why I think was I guess I've stolen the kingdom early stages of podcast or everyone does have one know they're still it still came up their game to anyone. I mean from a validation like junkie perspective. It's a nightmare because like I want to see the subscriber count. I want to see like I don't even know if we can see how many people do subscribe to the podcast. No, I don't think I don't think there is as you pay for I think there's something some people right not by default, but you just have to trust that people are enjoying it people are listening. You see how many people download it and listen and all that but like I really struggled in previous ones that I've done and I will would be doing something similar with this one. Well, I needed a comment section and if without the comment section, why are we like how do you know what people thought the engagement? It's purely a one shaded can actually to process and it's something I really enjoy but I totally because of because I so enjoy Instagram and YouTube for that instant engagement. It's something that I'll put it out there and then I'm just like waiting. which is kind of what I Experience with my book came out. I don't feel the same but nobody reads it on the first day now all this is the craziest thing is that you like bright and I mean I suppose it's the same with like when you've written for Publications like, you know, it's been published and then all day you just like it's like waiting by the phone. It's someone going to comment on this it's not I really really miss that instant engagement with something but what I did previously and like I say we'll do with this is on our Instagram feed I will have like our post episode and I'm like, please just leave a comment and tell me what you look like. I need I need the gunman. I need you to tell me, you know, good or bad you need it is it it is it I've been kind of indoctrinated by the many platforms. I've used that have been comment driven the van. I think it's quite Good because she get like good if you really love getting comments and stuff on YouTube and you make not saying you have but hypothetically mate fall into that trap of just creating what people want. There's of the podcast at least. Yeah, you could you kind of don't know what people want. So you just have to make something that you want to make. Yeah, you totally right and to be quite honest what happened last year with Instagram for me was I everyone complains? Is about Instagram and then no one's seen this know one thing that I was like, you know what I don't care anymore and I'm just going to post stuff that I enjoy posting. I'm not going to worry about a feed. I'm just going to start and the growth I saw was insane. I it was great. It was just crazy because suddenly I didn't care and I was just posting things that I liked and initially that is what we all do. That's how we gain Traction in the first place. If you're not passionate about the thing then it translates and everyone's like are they just phoning it in there just doing the thing. They think they should be doing instead. Of the thing that they enjoy yeah, and that passion for it in the first place is why people? That's why people come to you. I know that's why the people that I do fall on social media that give me she want the sir. She's a mommy blogger in New York and her photos are amazing. She's got like a million kids. They're all immaculately dressed. All super colorful is she's just got what appears to be the most amazing life and I couldn't be more jealous occasionally. She'll post something still a really cute picture but the caption will be like a bit real life, but she is one of the people that I follow but one hopefully our pictures are Do you have a Pang of ah, like oh, the life unlived liked what I could have been me, but I so enjoy her content that I can just kind of put that into a different perspective for myself of like this is entertainment. This is not real life. This is someone that I'm coming to for like escapism the same as I would watch TV, it's not someone I can possibly compare myself to we're in a different phase of life or in different countries. It's not the same and I think you can take from social media pure entertainment so long as you Which off that I should be doing this part of your brain, which is difficult. Yeah, it's kind of like sit tiny sphere. As a piece of are almost like that's been created of what lytics on that let you don't watch Ocean's Eleven and be like, why are you not part of things? Why am I not robbing more casinos, but like, you know, you would follow Jennifer Aniston and no one's looking to Jennifer Aniston's Instagram. Like I should be in more movies exactly. There has to be I know I was talking about the invisible line that's not there. But I think you can put up that barrier between you and people who live lives. Lives that are so far removed like you can't relate if you really enjoy their content. You can still enjoy that as long as you put it in a different category. Yeah. But thank you for being our first proper guest. I'm really excited about it. But yeah, thank you so much and I will talk a little bit about you when you're gone. I mean really how fantastic is Fiona you can and you should follow her everywhere. She's Fiona likes to blog on Instagram and Fiona likes on Twitter. We've actually never spoken before although we've chatted online and so as it usually is with the first conversation, We did get off topic in parts and I was always super Rambler. I always am but Fiona was a really good sport as our first proper guest. I am not well educated on the subject of mental health as you can probably tell and so hopefully Fiona managed to steer you in a better Direction and dilute my ignorance a little bit. So apologies if I kind of spoke out of turn but it really is not my wheelhouse that's why Fiona was such a great guest this week. I don't want to as I've said in previous episodes. I don't want to speak on something that I don't feel comfortable. Really knowledgeable about but it was a topic that I wanted to address. I understand that anxiety and depression is a spectrum and it can affect different people in totally different ways over the next few months. I'm hoping to have on different guests who can demonstrate that and if you have a story that you'd like to share you can contact us on Instagram at calling all friends dot pod. I have so enjoyed connecting with people in this way. And especially when we're talking about something like this the more voices in the conversation the better and the DM conversations that we've had have been really I mean at times humorous and at times just very very interesting. I've gained so much good from social media myself that I just can't see it as a bad thing not like a totally bad thing. Anything can be bad in the wrong hands or used in the wrong way. So remember that you have control over your social feeds and if something isn't serving you or Worse still if it is negatively affecting you then just remove it as Fiona said it is not always that simple, but you do have some amount of responsibility to take stock of how you're spending your time online. And regularly assess how it's making you feel if you feel like you need to take a break take it if you want to do away with it all together and you feel like you can do that then do it. But if you choose to continue to scroll make sure you're only following people who add value to your day. And like I said, you can categorize those things. It could be that someone you really enjoy but they kind of bring you down a little bit when you consider that they're like you and they're supposed to be relatable just consider them to be more entertaining, you know, you don't compare yourself to like real famous people or massively. I'm just gonna hear Money snoring in the background. So if that's picking up but he is totally the most asleep. He's ever been is the loudest snoring dog in the world. He's a frog a combination between a Frenchie and a Pug and his snores are he can't sleep in our bedroom. There's no way anyway, they can't even remember what I was talking about. But make sure you're only following people who make you feel good is generally the takeaway. Thank you so much for joining us again this week. Don't forget to subscribe. So you don't miss an episode share with your friends and if you're feeling A rest and you are enjoying the show why not leave us a review on iTunes that would be fun tastic. If you want to get involved with a future show follow us on Instagram at calling all friends dot pod and look out for the questions and calls for comment in the stories. The voice notes are my favorite part of the show. They're probably yours to the voice notes on the calls make this Me by myself who cares and with subjects like this. They are absolutely essential. Thanks again to Fiona for joining us this week. You can find her book depression in the digital age on Amazon and look out for her next one coming out this first I will speak to you again next week.

HUGE Thanks as always to everyone involved in this episode but special thanks to Fiona Thomas for generously donating her time to chat about her specialist subject and allow me to interrupt and steam roll at every turn. It's a learning curve for someone who is used to being the only one talking to a  camera!! Please check out Fiona's current book (I've read it and can personally endorse its contents) and stay tuned for her brand new offering this summer!

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He was the Headmaster of Wakefield School in Virginia for 17 years. Let's welcome Peter Quinn. Peter thank you very much for being on the show. I am honored we've known each other for a couple of years and one thing amongst many that I admire you for is for the way you're able to connect with your audience when you address them and I'm sure our listeners will agree with me after they've heard your story. But before that your father and your grandfather will both headmaster's in fact your grandfather became a Headmaster in 1929. That's a very long night. Two year three generational tradition in your family. When did you actually know that you wanted to follow your father and grandfather's footsteps and also become a Headmaster of a school. I think the moment at which I wanted to be decided. I want to be head of a school was when it seemed to me that I had an interest in a propensity for solving practical problems outside of the classroom. That would nevertheless help people in the classroom do their job better and you have successfully been a Headmaster. For over two decades. So Peter tell us your story and the life lessons that you have learned from it the life lesson. I want to share comes out of my summer employment experience during college my father thought like the lot of like the fathers of a lot of my classmates that their sons had probably grown up in sheltered circumstances and needed to understand that the real world was different from the one in which they grown up. So my father decided that I would work for the Kansas City Southern Railroad. This is once we had moved from Philadelphia and he found me a job as a track laborer during the Summers that I was in college and I think what he wanted for this was to understand the different perspective of people who earn their living with their backs, I would understand the value of truly difficult labor and not sure the third lesson was on his mind, but that will become clear as I tell the story. The railroad was the Kansas City Southern Railroad, which at that point. This is in the mid-70s operated between the coal fields in Montana and New Orleans and had the railroad had just earned a lucrative contact with coal mining companies to bring the coal from the coal fields of Montana down to New Orleans and that brought it through Kansas City and Missouri the southern parts of Missouri. I was assigned to attract labor unit. Which operated Between Kansas City and Pittsburg Kansas out in the middle of farm country and our job during the Summers was to replace the ties that were holding the rails together on the road bed. And so we would go through a process in which we removed the old ties took up the old anchors took out the tie perdon in the new tie and then spiked it down anchored it and align the rails and this is the summer, it's Ken. This and Missouri it's extremely hot. And so we were there were six of us on that crew 6 college guys along with 15 native New Orlean guys who were bigger than houses and we were pretty sure could have been the railroad rails by themselves. So we were intimidated from the beginning these guys knew what hard work was their English was broken. Their education was weak, but their ability to work and their focus And their genuine commitment to doing their job hard, but also living a fairly hard life was probably the most Illuminating part of working with them for four Summers. The overarching lesson of my experience in those Summers was the value of education, but that was made up of interim lessons. And the first of that was the value of hard work. I thought I knew what hard was I worked on my homework. I mowed the lawn. I raked leaves but replacing Railroad. Ties and dealing with the difficulties of railroad engineering during the months of June July and August in four successive Summers gave to me a whole new glimpse of what hard physical labor was. There was no forgiveness. There was no coaching up to it. You were expected to do the job the first time the right way and we were aware that when we didn't do the job right hundreds of millions of dollars of railroad income was hurtling down. The rail towards us at Breakneck. Speed and the last thing we wanted to do was delay it or even worse caused the derailment and at that time Kansas City Southern was dealing with a series of bad derailments and they were trying to spend much more money on their track maintenance which was why we were there in the first place. So the value of hard work not just as something that was important you could persevere through and complete which was the lesson I'd already learned. I've been taught that I had to finish things that were hard, but the importance Of manual labor to a bigger picture was probably new to me the idea that whether or not we connected these ties correctly whether or not we finish the ballast and the roadbed correctly whether or not we're ready to get up at 2:30 in the morning and deal with a washout Where the River had taken road but away these were fundamental things involving the well-being of the entire railroad all the people whose incomes dependent on it. The delivery of goods that were very time-critical all of these things gave hard work. A new importance in my mind that it hadn't had before previous to this hard work for me was hard academic work hard intellectual work mastering an idea those things I understood and application to my college preparation and probably to the profession that I would choose but the idea that something which didn't take much of an education would be so fundamentally important in the delivery of something. like the goods that were coming down the railroad was something that ennobled in some ways the virtue of hard work done very reliably under pressure by people who The regular World probably didn't do much about. Peter I heard you say that your father compelled you to take up a job at the railroad because he thought you were living a sheltered life and he really wanted you to see what else is out there besides your friend and shelter neighborhood and as much as that is not a lesson that you have learned from your story. It still touches the topic of parenting and I want to urge all listeners who are parents to contemplate our our children leading sheltered lives. Do we allow our kids to freedom to learn reality to fight and fail and find their own way through life. I will leave it at that for this episode and we will have a separate episode on the topic of parenting returning to your first lesson of hard work Peter. How are you applying this lesson today in your role as Headmaster of a school? Nowadays in this position and when I remember advising students the lessons of hard work comes back, of course in a different format. No one around this school is laying railroad tracks and changing ties, but every student at some point and usually a couple of times during the year ends up in a class or in an activity or committed to something that is not the highest pleasure for them. They are in this class. which they have to take its requirement, but they'd rather be spending more time thinking of history or they're in science Ed rather be spending more time thinking of literature or they're playing a certain Sport and they really would like play different sport but there's not that opportunity and I think the importance of my life lesson is that I can talk to them and remind them that what they're learning by committing hard work and first-rate effort to something which they don't see it as a long-term future which wasn't their first choice but to which they have nevertheless given their name and this event is that they need to be as good as they can be at whatever task they're taking on even if the result will not be the winning goal in the game or the best test in the class or a change of heart. They might want to major in this thing. I suggest an incursion to work as hard as they could it's they can and be as absorbent to the learning in class in subjects, which they're quite convinced. They'll never study again as they are in classes, which they're quite convinced. They're going to be real. Their lives because the discipline and the commitment and ability to prove that you can do things that it first you thought you might not be able to do or that things many things are worth doing that at first you thought might not be worth doing so I didn't go into the railroad job thinking it was really important that I be able to spike a rail down very quickly, but over the course of the summer if I was going to contribute to doing what this team needed done. Well, it became pretty clear to me. I'm needed. To get better at speaking rails. Do I spiked rails now know it's been 40 years since I spiked to real. I hope never to do it again and everyday in the railroad. I wished I were on a beach doing something else, but that wasn't what I was set up to do those Summers and I think the lesson of hard work applies in every situation and it it made me I think a better servant of my own development and a better servant to the students. I was going to teach Each that no one let me back away from being good at those things, which I really didn't see the need to be very good at in those Summers. Another lesson, I learned those Summers was the rich. Diversity of people who live who were born in this country and just in live in different sections. So as I said earlier, we had about 15 or 16 full-time employees. These are real railroad folks who live generally down in New Orleans and in the summer they came up and they lived on trailers that the railroad hauled up from New Orleans. And these were guys who were no women. They were all as I said, I was about the smallest person there. They were all incredibly Hardened by labor. They lived a hard life. So the most common Pursuit every two Fridays. We are paid every other Friday was that they would gamble their weekly salary or way or at least such part of it as their families allowed them to keep because I know that a bunch of them were sending part of their salaries home, but every Monday morning we'd hear about the poker games are going on Friday night. We'd hear about the misbehavior. We just we occasionally hear about fights that broke out. Out and these guys had to get along on Monday morning. So to work with people who treated each other as roughly as these guys treated each other and you could come back and focus and get along was a friction was an opportunity to observe friction. I had never seen before I had seen as a teenager you it's a hard life to go through because you have to learn how to disagree without with people and yet not become their enemies. So to see these men Very neatly disagree with each other who went to blows over a card game at one point. We heard about shot pistols being pulled on each other over allegations of cheating one guy was out for three or four days with a broken jaw and came back with a jaw wired to say hi to us, but was then gone for a couple of weeks. This was difference in perspectives. I had not experienced before but it wasn't the violence. I remembered it was their ability to leave those things. Things and come back and treat each other fairly. Well during the week. This is such an important lesson fast forward to 2020. There is no doubt that as the world rapidly globalizes diversity is becoming increasingly present across all aspects of our lives and just as the railroad men did what they needed to do as in their times. I that is they forgot all of their differences and came together on a Monday morning and work. Together as a team for the rest of the week to avoid any railroad catastrophes we need to do what is required of us in our time at this time Society is Rich with diversity. It's rich with diversity of ideas diversity of perspectives diversity of opinions, and we need to rain this diversity in and give each of these differences a seat at the table just as Telly Whitney. So rightfully said diversity drives innovation. When we limit who can contribute we intern limit what problems we can solve. Peter your story is getting more interesting by the lesson. Let's hear your lesson number three. The third lesson is of the importance of education for anybody who wants it and that's the last lesson I learned from my summers in the railroad and I learned it on the last day of my employment on the railroad. It was a custom on the last day of your summer, too. To that you'd be the one who'd buy the beer on the last Friday and we go back to the garage where all this equipment was kept and there was a 7-Eleven down the street. This was an Independence Missouri and you'd have to go down to the 7-Eleven and get the beer and bring it back and you weren't expecting to buy a lot of beer but enough for everybody to have one or two and this was not only my last day of the summer but it was my last summer on the job and everybody knew that by now and they also I knew that I was going to be a teacher because over lunch we talked about things and I was the only person there who was going to be a teacher of the other five summer help. They were all more one was going to medical school. The other four were going to be Financial Services. I think so we they came it was a not too hot today, but hot enough for beer and I had Gone down and gotten stuff from several and we came back and we're sitting around and the assistant Foreman one of the few white guys on the crew other than the summer help was about six foot four and about 320 pounds and a formidable guy and he had a couple beers and we were saying goodbye and he said so you're and I won't imitate his accent. It was a Southern accent. He said so you're going to be a teacher and said yeah I said, What grades are you going to teach? And I said well, my job is going to be fifth grade. I'm going to teach English to fifth graders at teaching English. Does that mean reading and writing I said, yes. He said spelling said yes, he said and he said well, let me tell you the most important thing you need to know and I smiled and he had a dry sense of humor, but It became pretty clear in a couple of seconds that this was really important to him. This wasn't going to be a joke. First name is Lonnie and I said, well you tell me what the most important thing is. Lonnie said Pete. I'm not joshing said, okay, and I'm listening. He said when I was in fifth grade. And I get teary thing about when I was in fifth grade. I want to learn how to spell. And I wished that someone would teach me how to spell But the teacher didn't think my folk were worth teaching. So I never learned how to spell and believe me. I wanted nothing more than to learn how to spell when I was in fifth grade. And it's why I never went on past fifth grade. So when you go to your school in Virginia and you teach those kids you make sure them you teach them that wants to beat each test is that I know I didn't say that right and maybe I would have if I learned how to spell on the fifth grade. But he took me by the shoulder and he said you just got to make sure. That no one who wants to beat each test in your class doesn't get taught. Now I've told parts of this story in other settings and for five years ago. I used the story of Lenny giving me my inspirational orders at commencement because I wanted to ground the students to graduate the petty school who are a fairly rarefied bunch and looking back on my career. I had not been inspired as deeply by my professors in college or my professors and graduate school to that kind of work as I was that afternoon. In on the railroad, I'd been inspired to love literature. I'd been inspired to work hard to understand what we were studying. I've been inspired in many ways by these fabulous professors, but I had never been inspired in exactly the same way as I was that afternoon by Lenny and so the lesson I wanted to offer to the graduates of soon to be graduates of petty was that they had them not to look for opportunities to make a difference. In their communities by working with the people who? Certainly are qualified and educated. I'm not saying you should choose one or the other. It's always a pleasure to work with someone who's as committed to your field as you are, but you can't Overlook the people who may not have had the same opportunities who may not have made the same choices, but are nevertheless have the same goodness of heart and the same willingness to help and can benefit from being a partner with you because they're going to bring strengths and skills to the experience that you don't have and they're going to benefit. From strengths and experiences that you do have and the opportunity for high school kids at least the ones I was talking to and lots of others is to go out in the world and be that kind of entrepreneurial citizen who looks for opportunities to make things better who judges his or her success from how much they can contribute to each community and it looks for partners in those contributions that may have very different backgrounds than their own. Thank you very much Peter for that touching story straight from the heart. And the reason why we know it straight from the heart is because even after so many years when you're talking about it, if you get teared up, it must have had a very big impact on your life. And as you said that Lenny was able to teach you what no professor in your four years in college could have taught you and the reason why I bring that up is because I am grateful grateful to you. Even more now because you've strengthened my case for sharing life lessons what we are learning here from each other maybe beyond what any formal education could teach us? I sincerely hope that we as a group and with that, I mean you was listeners in me as host together take to action what we've actually heard from Peter today. We may come across those who may not have had the same opportunities that we did. But have the desire and the determination to be with us to learn from us to teach us to work with us and also to study with us in schools and colleges and I hope we reach out to them and be altogether teach them that wants to beat each test. If you have enjoyed this episode, then please rate review And subscribe and follow and if you have any comments, then please write to me at sharing life lessons 101 at gmail.com all For those who want to share their own life lessons and stories, please write to me at the same email address. I will bring you another episode of sharing life lessons next Wednesday till then be happy and be well.

This is the second episode of 'Sharing Life Lessons'. A podcast that brings you stories from around the world because stories inspire, stories teach and stories heal! I want to thank those who took time to send me comments with words of love, encouragement and feedback. I am thankful for having you on my team. Today's guest is a person to whom story telling comes naturally, He was appointed the 16th head of Peddie School in 2013. His appointment was a homecoming to Peddie, an elite private school in NJ, where he had served as a teacher, coach, dorm supervisor, college counselor, and admission director between 1985 and 1996. Let's listen to Peter Quinn share his life lessons. Peter takes us nearly 40 years back to his college summers when his father required that he work at the rail roads to 'tough it out' and face reality and life in a less sheltered manner. His interactions with the men working there, many with no education, makes for an interesting topic to discuss. Peter learnt the importance of education, hard work, diversity and the toughest lesson that no college professor could teach him in the four years of college: "Teach them that wants to be teached" The railroad foreman who said these words to Peter said 'I know I am not saying it right, but if my 5th grade teacher had taught me to spell, read and write - I would have said it right". For those who have enjoyed listening to this episode, send comments, rate, and subscribe. Also, if you wish to pay it forward by sharing your life lessons with others on this show then please write to me at [email protected] To get to know the host and to understand why and how 'Sharing Life lessons' was envisioned and created, please listen to Episode 000. I will return with more stories and life lessons every Wednesday. In the meantime 'Be happy and be well'. --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast.

It's over, isn't it? Isn't it? Isn't it over guys? We are looking at the series finale for Voltron on AfterBuzz TV season 8 episode 13. We are going to talk about destroying reality the pros and cons of such and what's in an epilogue. We have a very special guest with us. So team it's time to form Voltron. I swear it throws me every time we get the music and it's the playout music we got this is what I start with my own theme music at the cold open like you gotta just go and pull my heartstrings with like my favorite Steven Universe song why you gotta do that look at all. Well, I had to fit in somewhere and this was it look at all the things I do not regret. Welcome back. We are the AfterBuzz TV Voltron legendary Defender after show. We are looking at season 8 episode 13. The end is the beginning which is a title that also throws me every time because I want to append on word I Oshima to that for the Gravity Falls fans and audience I have with me green line Megan Salinas. Hey everybody. I am black lion Katie Colin and our very special guest today should introduce themselves. I think I'm the green pallid. Next class thank you for joining us. I appreciated the finger guns. I was kind of expecting like applause from the sound board or something. Nah, we tried to provide that was like that was a good approximation of like the the crowd see well, so the chat is halfway between yelling at me in anger and pain and yelling at you and Glee's It's a good way to do this. I'll take it right as usual the house rules before we get this rolling. We are not doing a spoiler warning because guys we're at the series finale what is there to spoil? So there is that don't know what is there to spoil your hopes and dreams? Yes is those we have the live chat if you're watching live on YouTube, we have the hashtag ABT Voltron if you want to participate if you want to say things if you have comments, whatever throw him in the hashtag throw him in the live chat if you are not listening, Live definitely do them in the hashtag the hashtag lasts longer so we can check that all throughout the week. The live chat is not always last and finally as always we have our house rule be nice or get out. Oh you on it. I love it. As always you have your opinions. You are welcome to express your opinions. But if you do not express them in a respectful manner, I will put you and you will be gone and then he doesn't like buttholes. Everyone has them but I want It allowed to respectfully give their opinions here. And I know that banning doesn't sound like a lot because it's the the series finale but just because it's the series finale doesn't mean we're done guys. We got more episodes and you will miss things. So be nice. All righty, let's get the show on the road. I want to know what you thought about pidge's character Arc through the season and through this series talk to me about Pitch. Oh man. I love that little green bean. She's the best most pure, sweetest and smart. I will go all the way back to what I said and season what to I think one or two. Yeah pidge's Batman is Batman Pidge solves everything pinch knows what's going to happen? And even if she doesn't know what's gonna happen. She's gonna fix it. She's got methods in place to fix nearly everything the minute. Laura says what has to be done? Like hints towards what has to be done pigeons. Like oh I know what's up. Oh so plan C then on it. I mean, I think Paige wanted that to be planned like z z sub 5 these soap opera. I'm sure it's like I know that this is a possibility, but please know I like you. This was robbed. This was so rough. This was a very difficult episode and remember how long have they been in space? I can't actually remember Ember literal years literally nigger with literal years hitch started this as a 15 year old 14 for 15 year old bitty baby little baby and after traveling through space for years. She's developed this this maturity and wisdom, but she's still a kid. Yeah. She's still a kid and and dealing with losing someone in your family over and over and over is gonna It's going to take an emotional toll and so I think part of that is why at the very end we get chip a sweet innocent little boy robot dog, because pitches like I did I didn't get this I'm gonna make this is the first law. She's experience. That's been permanent. Oh, yeah. She found her brother. She found her dead her. Wow. Look, I'm recovering from a convention and I'm still Hecht up right now. So that crusties. Yeah, I work the con and I have the Conn plague. So it's like all right. I'm here. Let's do this. Ah, which is how I approach the convention this past weekend for those of you who were at Gallifrey one. Hi, you probably saw me living in the auction room. Yeah, so that's where I'm at right now, but she found her brother even after that fake out. She found her dad who's not hero hero came back, which was nothing short of a miracle. This is the one that stuck. Uh-huh. This is the one that stuck. Hmm. I mean that's the thing is pitch pidge's the luckiest. I don't want to curse on this cast. But I also really want a curse on this cat the luckiest son of a gun. Actually. That's fair because Colleen is a pistol the son of a gun. Right Cal Queen. I can't get over how lucky Pages everything kind of turns itself around except this. This one doesn't really fix itself. No, no, it fixes literally everything else though, literally the rest of reality but it's so it's so heart-wrenching because at the beginning of pidge's Arc, she was willing to put the team aside so that she could put to get his sheet so that she could find what was left. To her family. She was willing to put all of that aside. And now this is an extension of her family. Mmm-hmm. And so seeing a Laura sacrifice herself, not only for this family, but for the universe in general for something larger than herself that that says a lot about where all of these characters so she's never going to forget that no ever. None of them. Will the last thing a Laura says to her is also absolutely gut-wrenching. Just yeah how how hurt I wrote it down. I wrote all of the final words down because I can't you wanted to cry why because I do my job. I'm supposed to leave this dumpster fire. I will do my best. That's where I can see that's better. What did she say kitty remain curious and fearless and she did like, all right just stabbed me in the heart. Why don't you over and over and over five times? I was able to place accession number five is the knife, even if a Laura isn't there? Appliance that's going to be this episode is night only for Pilots. No, just that shot when they cut back to the inside of the Blue Lion and the cock pic is is empty. Yeah, like that was just such a haunting image. Yeah, but it's so good. It really isn't this show is so good at just like we just need to kind of Linger on this on this moment for a little bit. Let's just stay here. Here's the musical cue. I mean, okay, they're all crying. Let's move on we have this argument because it's funny but at the end of the day, it's not Discussion who is the most important part of Voltron allora all the way through a Voltron would not exist if it weren't for a Laura nothing would happen if it weren't for Laura and so it makes sense for everything to begin and end with a Laura. Yeah. It's about you. There is no Voltron. Well, you're looking at Voltron anymore. Yeah. It's like that thing that I can't even remember which superhero it hero it is that says and I'm pretty sure they all say it at some point you guys. As need to learn how to save yourselves and a Laura. Knows that is like we can save reality and once we've done that reality, we have to facilitate reality saving itself and maintaining its own safety. Yeah and hold for all of that. Yeah Voltron was the Catalyst for this Voltron was what broke up this 10,000 years of dumpster fire and set up until Ontarian regime said everyone on the road to Yeah. Well, yeah for the empire. The same thing look I made a shirt that said for a bit. Sorry for a reason. It's in my shirt shop. You could get one for yourself. It's a fun five. You can cancel the fight except I can't because I keep trying to Marie kondo my closet and then this happens look at all the things I don't regret doesn't just bark - Joy when you're me well then sorry Beck's you're just gonna have to own everything pretty much. Everything Sparks Joy if you're me. I'm so ATD. I can find joy in anything. It's a blessing and a curse. Is there a philosophy to having someone else Marie? Kondo your closet? Like what's that called? I don't know. I don't know either a condo because he's married someone who will throw things out. We're play. I'm sorry. I think I'll see myself out. No, please today. I think that's when you get to be on season 2 of Mariko news because it's like What do you do when everything Sparks Joy? Yes, how can you help me when I find joy in the literally everything. I feel like that's a good way to live life that is especially on days where I'm like having a bad brain day. It's just like, you know find that one little thing in the corner that makes me smile. Oh, wait that whole car. Cards that make me smile, or is that just your pinch Shrine pretty much even? Why did agrees yeah for you Corner? Exactly. It's a superpower. Anyway, it did so good her powers for good. I'm working on it facial expressions. Oops, great podcast so that I had a segue for that. But yeah. But I ruined it speaking of using your powers for good and not doing that talk about owner before a minute. Good Lord. Let's talk about how Alaura had to reach in and reset her brain. Hey, remember that time before you were completely Bonkers. Let's talk. A bit and as you pointed out when we were watching it, it's the exact opposite of what she did is arc on a couple episodes ago. Yeah. It's it that makes for a really good parallel because a Laura was at like her lowest at that point in terms of how ruthless she was being and how far she was willing to go to stop her nerva. And that was arguably a very morally questionable thing to do especially with the abruptness of it. But here yeah, it's like the complete inverse it was Make well, no, it's the exact same thing, but it's reminding people of the good in the world and you know, what can be achieved when we work together. And what's what's worth I guess saving reality for well and they went digging into all nervous mine for information and this her memories who she used to be wound up being the exact information. They needed to save reality. Yeah, it's funny how that happens. It's almost like writing happened or something. Writers are all y'all rock. Yeah, no kidding. God bless the writers for this show. I mean they tackle such complex things. In a pretty colors. Yeah, one of my co-workers her young son is a fan of the show. So she's watched it with him and occasionally. It's like hey, did you season it yet? And I'm like, yeah it gets real dark. Yeah, you may want to and the Jackie back with him son loved it. He keeps watching the last two episodes. Oh my God, that's heartbreaking your son's doing. Okay. Yeah, the trauma is going to happen later. I don't decide this is a show aimed at younger. Kids, it has a lot of content in it. That's just because they target audience is a certain age range doesn't mean that everyone can't enjoy it when I say, this is a 30 year old adult. That's the thing is Voltron is aimed at seven months to 700 years. It's there's something in there for absolutely everybody to say it's a kid show is very limiting is it's accurate to how it was pitched and how it was build but it's limiting because Voltron is so much more. More than just pretty colors and beautiful animation. That's like saying that animation is a whole is only for children. Yeah, and that's very dismissive of the art form as a whole. Yeah. It's recommended or aimed for a certain age range, but that doesn't mean it has to stay there and I'm pretty sure like the toy company who owns the Voltron IP is like its fur boys and their dads and the Target and the audience that watches Voltron is like sure about that. Hey that the multicolored lions that combined into a giant robot are for everyone Maybe. Someone's playing this on a speaker and their dog cake you could sell things to a much larger demographic. Maybe maybe what I'm saying is I want more jewelry. Sometimes we make our own merchandise because it doesn't exist that I say that I wearing a Sinister type in yep, because soon as I makes good stuff Cinna sign makes beautiful things honcho low makes all of the jewelry that I always wear. I Like fan-made form Voltron ring of it and I wore it in the last show. I was on and I'm hoping someone will like zoom in there like wait there soon. That's how YouTube works. That's how you to work. And then they take off their glasses in there like my God for a guy takes off a pair of glasses. Continually. That's the mood of every CSI episode. Let's add that's actually kind of how I feel about the show. So that like oh my God. Oh my God. Oh my God, this whole life ever. Is that in Reverse though? It's that foosh pain cream. Yeah. Yeah, that's fair. Yeah, well never wanting to murder all of reality because if I can't enjoy the simple joys of Life who can like what I mean. We talked about this a little bit last week the fact that her motivation is that you know, we is essentially the same motivation Naz like into the spider-verse like the fact that she just wants her family back is such an interesting motivation for the the last big bad standing like out like after everything all people powerful. Yeah because it's interesting because more crimes happen because of love than hate. Yeah and in real life if you talk to any investigator, that's probably what they're going to tell you most investigators at least. But that's people do crazy things for love family. Love lust love whatever love they end up having they will do unbelievable things for the people that they love and for the things that they love. I mean look at John Wick he went he went off on a killing spree for a dog. I can't blame them very cute dog. My point and we're looking at on nerva at this point. She's been dead. She's been resurrected. She's really high on quintessence. And she's also really high on the intergalactic evil entity. Like she's not thinking straight right now, but I also kind of have to love if I can't have it. No one can burn it to the ground. I have to love that as a motivation for a villain like, oh, I can't have it. Well screw all of you. I'm not only picking up my toys and leaving. I'm new king the playground. The playground that's what this is. She basically went to the playground of reality and went y'all done. Yep, pretty much and we the way that all the realities are depicted the way that the source is depicted. I love this. I love this weird shiny spider web where everything comes back to it's almost like a root system. It looks like a nervous system. Yeah, I mean think about it. Yeah your brain kind of Hates what reality is and vice versa? It's kind of cool. I like I like what they kind of girl map. Yeah the universe and there's so much about the human brain that we don't understand. Mmm. The universe could operate exactly like the human brain. We don't know. We don't know either of those two things. Yeah, not just this is large terrifying fight in the middle of the brain of the universe and we don't have a destroys realities everyone else getting the egg. In Bob's Intergalactic brain the Galaxy of Bob. Thank you. Just got another of a destroyed Bob at one point. Oh, yeah, I'm Bob was like not having that. Nope. That's what you get for hitting on me. No, no. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Oh my God. Yep. Just the worst migraine is someone literally destroying a brain from the inside out how this and I just love just pulling this out pulling out these giant ridiculous Wings because in the end its wings the tenants just taking on her phone going. No. No, we're gonna sit down just sit just sit just sit and let's talk see Talking helps things talking and also having someone magically reset your brain like, you know turning it off and on again. The thing that helps is though. It's just a little reset button turned off and back on again you can you be fine, too. Look at that all of it. Like is it possible that all this time? Huh never was just hangry and that the same result could have happened. If a Laura had handed her a Snickers go. I'm nirva. You have a Snickers. You're not yourself when you're hungry someone in chat said that about 15. Yes. We're on the same wavelength. I like it. I need an animatic this Katie toxins that maybe things would have gone better. If we'd all worn the right socks. Thank you. I agree with slav. I think that okay. I like that slav is the embodiment of what it's like to have OCD and anxiety and I like that she Ro has trouble with it because that is just the quintessential neurotypical verse neurodivergent. That I've ever seen like I've I've experienced being slob in a situation with a Shiro and I'm like just you gotta let me get through it. You just gotta let it happen guys well and then proving slav right like yeah, I believe this but I don't believe that anyone sits there and calculates. Oh my God, you do. Oh my God, and then Slaughter straight up predicting the series finale like yeah, this realities Hecht man and pigeon. I love how easily Pages like you. Oh, no, I'm wrong. You're right. Right, let's do this back down aluminum. I love that but that's another thing. I love about page. She could just accept when she's wrong and switch tracks. It's that smart. It's that easy. It's like you're presented with the facts as like, oh my assessment was incorrect. This is the correct assessment. Now, there is an exception to that double modulation. Always double modulate your uncle never. See eye to eye on that one. Never. Chip is double modulated at every every every Ally, of course he is. Yeah, that's the whole family project. He's absolutely double modulated. Do we want to talk about chip for a second? Hey, I don't I think we'll get there. I think I'm still kind of in the apocalypse right next are enough or rather. We're moving back to this self-sacrifice just the so I can reset you and I can make you a Force for good instead of evil. You know, what that requires. Yeah, let's go. Well, like part of what Gavin Stearns was seeing memories of lotor before he got Cronenberg was just seeing him interact with a Laura. It's just like, oh you you were trying to help my son and this is this is where they're like, well, yeah, lotor was misguided But ultimately like if you're talking macro like still genocide you're talking macro scale. He did want the best. He's a Cronenberg, he's a crown and very kind of shuttle onion. Yeah would he's got a flare. He's gonna lie. It's been an incredible Force for good had his family life not been so hectic because you know, he just wanted mom and dad even though mom wasn't there to be proud of him. He didn't know his mom until it was too late. He didn't go off the deep end until zarkon looked at this planet that had made and went no son. You are wrong and murder. Add them all and then exiled him. Laughs. Yeah burn it down and salt the Earth dad Thanks. So that's not scarring in any way shape or form you like kids. That's the thing is he was being a Force for good on that planet and his dad was like nope. Evil is the way to go and he's like, okay fine. You want evil they got it. And seeing these memories of her son like that are what sort of help her nerva come to terms with the fact that she is responsible because a lot of a lot of this is her refusing to take responsibility for her role in how terrible their lives all ended up. I'm gonna go back to something page says in season 1 about anybody can man up because it's an expression anybody can man up because it's an Freshen it son gendered even though it's unnecessarily gendered under of a man's up at the end. Yeah, it gets it done. Yeah and accept the consequences faces it and fixes it. It's a really big consequence, but she does it. Yeah, and that's that is a lesson to be learned and I Laura helps and we have this spiritual family reunions at the end there and recreate reality along with die. Kaiba's all and I'll Te'o just like okay when you can rewrite reality, you undo a couple genocides, I guess good looks the spirits of the the older Paladin's come back because yeah, like the last time we saw them it was in huh, nervous mind. Say Escape. So like seeing them come back here was so so cool. It was it was a wonderful send-off for these characters Hmm. This was just a beautiful moment, even though like the goodbyes were all heartbreaking and then I still spend some time trying to figure out like okay Lance has the mark of the Chosen and then you pointed out. Oh, it's called just that the mark of the chosen. It'll chose his she chose him. It doesn't happen. Like we I think we kind of employee inferred that it was a genetic thing. But no, it was probably a deliberate choice of who gets to be a chosen one. Well, that's why it's called the mark of the chosen. It's like passing down a keyblade. I mean, it's like I like to think of it as in Judaism we also I say we are the chosen people and being the chosen people gets passed down by bloodline. So the marks get passed down by bloodline except when you are chosen, I like that. Yeah, it's so good. Ah the I know yeah, it did seem when we were like binging through it. It did seem very abrupt but you go back and you're like, oh no I get it. Now. This is a season that really benefits from a slow re-watch just everything in it. The slow build of seeing how Alaura got to this place seeing relationships develop seeing the Curtis has been there the whole time there are there are so this Curtis has been there's a whole time. He has he's bout time. He's just been in the background of every picture like photobombing because you know, like Curtis really likes the the the captain sitting on the bridge but then Curtis is the one that grabs captain for the kiss at the wedding and I'm like, okay. Okay, we made that joke with the arm wrestling. It's like and that was when Curtis fell in love. Yep. That is absolutely yeah. Yeah, and he's had a bunch of lines. He's been around for a while. He's he has been helping so it's not just like who is this guy? It's like no. No, he's been there. We just haven't put a lot of emphasis on him, but he is there. Yeah, something like you know what you're looking. For it's like yeah, he's been there the whole time and interestingly. I don't know if anyone noticed this the shows not actually about relationships. It's about war. Yeah, please play the dun dun duh sound right now because we need that I needed that but that's the thing is it Curtis in the background makes sense? Because they're never going to bring them to the foreground be like this is gonna be a I love interest because that's not what the show is. It's not about who falls in love with who it's about sure. Love conquering hate ya empathy and understanding at the end of the day that kind of thing that Triumph not but the Russian ship love but there are so many different kinds of love. So they're all valid so to sit here and say romantic love is the best and all the rest doesn't matter. It's just like oh friend the Greeks had seven different words for seven different kinds of love you can tell but and that's the thing is too. Saying that relationship Love Is The Only Love That Matters gives kids such a bad view of what their lives have to be has to be like you are not less than for not having someone on your arm. You are just enough for wanting to be alone or even if you don't want to believe be alone and you are alone, you're nothing less than your not less than for being alone and to tell people that they are It kills them it kills them slowly from the inside out and that is not okay, and I hate that and I'm tired of sitting and watching people say things like that just because you don't end up with someone doesn't mean you're alone doesn't mean you're sad and doesn't mean that anything is wrong with you. Whatever. However you end up is fine. If you feel okay with that then it's fine. Don't let anyone else shit all over you for the decisions. You've made you don't need someone to complete you. You are already complete if you find someone to compliment you great. That's the one. Hey, thank you. You are enough. You are enough and we love you. Yeah that too. Yes. Yay. So thank you for letting me go off and I'm just very tired of seeing all that. I think that was a good place to go and I think before we move on we need to have a little break here. Sure. I'll take care of a little bit of stuff. So yes. Hello after Bros. We only have a few more episodes. So I'm bringing it back. Hey bros, before we move on to our next topic. We just wanted to say thank you for making us the ESPN of TV talk. To continue to grow we could use your help if you're on YouTube right now hit that Thumbs Up Button And subscribe. And if you're on iTunes, please give us a 5 star rating but no matter where you are. Leave us a comment so you can get involved in the conversation being a part of AfterBuzz TV has meant so much to all of us and we truly appreciate you supporting us in doing what we love. 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But we do it or you you know that we do and I think at this point we need to talk about our one year later and our epilogues you are at that point in the night. So Chip shit evidently a reference to vehicle Voltron like the holes are just like let's make Voltron again, but with vehicles and stomach Mayans. I mean if you go through frame by frame, there are Hints at vehicle Voltron in the in the epilogue. Yeah and the epilogue in the in the cotton the uniforms that the people in the background are wearing and in the actual vehicles that are in the background of that hanger that the whole siblings are in the not easy to see you're gonna have to go back and search and you're probably going to have to go on the internet and search old voltron's to find the connections but they're there. Yeah. This was the time when they were they ran out of go lion footage and so they Had to start mashing together others other shows Robotech style and chip in the original Voltron for people who didn't know chip and pin judge were brothers. And and that was the loose thread that connected the old footage to the new foot. Yeah, making a new brother. Exactly and I always wanted to Littlest brother. So Matt got chard. Matt did get shorn. That was like anti a minute. It he's like I'm tired of this long hair It's gotta go. All right, I couldn't find a decent Barber out in space. I had to wait until I came back to her. I don't think part of it was like he's working and he got tired like tying his hair up and easy, like, you know what he did the identity crisis had bugs. Come back the Marshall. Yeah, he hit his quarter life crisis and he's just like It's gotta go. Yeah pretty much just like no we're done like, all right. All fun great. It's yep. We're building chip. We have Lance telling the story of ellora to the kidlets. And I love that. It's multi-species kidlets. Oh, yeah, it's everyone it's not just like here's the alt a in children. It's are one. Well, I'm gonna go back to something I said earlier is a Laura left Laura took Voltron and left the Voltron Coalition. So instead of having this big superhero to keep the world. Peace. She's left behind the ability. For the world for the universe to piece itself. Yeah. Yes ossify it's all the pieces are in place. You know, it's just up to everybody else to put them together to form the metaphorical Voltron Universe formed Punk the Diplomat / cooking Empire. Like I'd love to be a part of this. He never wanted to be a diplomat. He didn't want any of this in the beginning. He involved he grew grew into this role in such a beautiful way and I love that and it sends the furnace is love language. Yeah, it's such a perfect extension of like how he was raised because yeah if food is how is how his family would say that they loved each other and so he can bring peace to the universe by sharing that love with everyone. Yes. It's I think Keith of the beginning was just a fighter. All he wanted to do is fight fight fight fight fight all the time. And his growth and evolution was he turned the blade of Marmora into a refugee and humanitarian organization or an organization. Thank you. And and I love that growth. That's just beautiful to me. Yeah, I love the comfort for one. He's giving a full-on speech to the crawls are about we can do better. We need to do better. We have an opportunity. Now, let's do it. Let's join the galactic Coalition there like you you You know our new ruler and he's like no just the Classic Keith how many times I want you to lead Voltron? Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope, pretty much and that he wins it being anything else. I have to be doing now, but what if I just leave and find myself for two years, what did I just do that? But he's he has become such an incredibly good leader. Yeah my God, just watching all this character growth and speaking. Of leaders and growth Shiro goes from being the battle Centric leader. All he can do is explore and battle and everything is about everything everything and everyone else. He gets a chance to finally stop that and live for himself, which he's never done before the fact that it was phrased as Shiro leaves the battle behind it's like yes, this is someone who has been caught up in this noise since the beginning has been tortured has been traumatized has had to fight for his life. Literally died for this war come back and the fact and the fact that he is able to step back and do something for himself as that's absolutely incredible and I think can heal it all happened because of a Laura. Mmm of a Laura giving him permission to stop I needed that external voice telling him. It's okay. You've done your part. So you can breathe now and live for yourself the universe no longer needs Voltron. No longer needs you to lead Voltron. It's not all on you put the planet down Atlas, we're good. Yes, love that and and and and and I guess that brings us to Pidge who pitch was a kid pitch pitchers growth was learning who she was and what she wanted to do. And now she's doing it. That's the simplest and the purest And so I guess all that's left is Lance Lance went from all he wanted to do was be number one. I always wanted to be the flyer The Fighter the tailor the everything he wanted to be seen because he's a kid fan our big family. Yeah, he felt overlooked kind of like Ron Weasley and so he got to be number one. He got to be number one. He was voltron's. hand man quite literally and it wasn't what he needed. It was everything he wanted but it was nothing that he needed. He ended up losing the person he loved most and that left such a sour taste in his mouth that he he needed to stop more than anything and sometimes what you want isn't what you need and Lance figured that out and rolled with it. He went home and he took what he needed and his family had always been And very important to him and we roll it all the way back to season 1 episode 2 and you see what's on everyone's Minds that they have to put aside and it was his family. He wanted to go home just like Pidge wanted her family. He wanted his so. Yeah. So this whole I'm on a farm with my family surrounding himself with the things and people that he loves just yeah, so it's I don't agree with the assessment that oh, well Lance is Forever alone like oh that doesn't mean anything it's because we didn't see him specifically wind up with someone doesn't mean that it didn't happen just and it doesn't mean that it was necessary doesn't mean he's alone. Yeah, and again, it's not necessary and and you can find love again after heartbreak and losing people so we don't get lost the first love of his life. He can find a second love of his life. That's human. That's fine. But it's better. You hear me give him space don't rush. The boy Lance is not forever alone. And Shiro is not a trophy husband. No, even in that like epilogue. He's surrounded by the flowers that are her Legacy and like that grow everywhere evidently. Oh, yeah, not just on all Taya everywhere. He's surrounded by her memory. And again, that's that's also surrounding him with the thing. Is that he loves they're never going to be a part guy. She's always going to be with him right there. Absolutely. Yep. No, it's beautiful and meaning something because the Lions when the Lions picked up and left they and lit up and it is it's okay nice her taking them back and saying goodbye eyes. I'm gonna think that forever because of that little like the the female figure in the stars. I miss her. She is everything that was totally alert and and guys look we know this the ending of the season was controversial. It's okay if you didn't like it, but it's also okay if you did, yeah, if anybody's trying to make you feel like your opinion isn't valid one way or another kick them in the butt. Yeah, you don't have to listen to that person. You can just agree to disagree and we can all get along. It's okay, because that you're allowed to have opinions. Ian's just Express them in a respectful manner you're allowed to disagree with people. It's fine. It's fine. Just don't go to war over it. We spent a whole series talking about how war is bad don't go to war over your differing opinions and never ends. Well, it's unnecessary just talk. She's nice James Brown says also lands has called the Necker. Yep. Oh my God. Yeah. That guy finally get some peace like God that cow needed it. A small and then got like transported into a literal War Machine and Intergalactic to our another war machine into another War Machine. She finally gets to just sit on grass live on a farm. That is the most of her days making milkshakes for people. That is the most well-traveled coward right? I was right. Oh and just also just want to say that about me when I die Sean your Tombstone. She was the most or they were the most Okay exactly. What the hell and Tiny animal says something. I'd like to point out. Wait a minute. What about Cosmo? It's such a big flew for here later. My God, that is a writing wolf. Yes, and that is a liar. Yeah, and then it teleports. Ah, so good teleport me into battle Cosmo is a good good boy and all that note. We need to end this. We just want to point out that Rimmel and Rimmel and Akshay and scrap its Alfie, Boe be we're all Sous chefs. Yes, and that was that was incredible. I'm not gonna lie. I still ship auction room out because I think they would be The Odd Couple. Yeah. I don't think like they didn't have very many scenes to get right but they're so perfect. Their characters are just so not even similar sew them together would just be like, oh, how do you Work just this I'm intrigued let's go. Yes. All right. Well, we do have to wrap this up I miss doing this but we had a short short time today. So final opinions on I think we have a good finale. Yeah, I did think it was solid. I think it wrapped up a lot. I think what I think we did. Well, I think so too. Yeah, it was a good time and it's sad to see the show go but a lot of shows don't get to go out on their own terms. All good things must come to an end. Mmm. The end of coughs Supernatural putting Supernatural is a good thing as a bold move. It's live long enough to see itself become the villain. It's going to outlive us all we probably all right, every new beginning comes from some other Beginnings end Sonic back so I can you tell us about any other project you're working on um not allowed to okay, but I have things coming down the line. All right, where can the people find you you can find me on? At Ibex WebEx and you can find me on Instagram at Beck's underscore TK Megan where can people find you I you guys can follow me on Twitter and Instagram at the Mets win. That's ehem Eng you I am I also do a lost retrospective podcast called no love lost to be sure to check that out. You can follow yellow line marked Annika at Mark. We'd Annika Blue Line Alexa's Taurus at a tour has eight nine zero and Red Lion ma5 at Emma five. I am black lion Katie color and you can follow me all over the social medias as well as on YouTube and twitch at kiya-jaye that is Ki ax CT. I am also on OverWatch podcast called on the point and we are both on RoosterTeeth podcast hosted on anchor F dot f m / the rooster team go check them out. Everything is wonderful Beck's. Thank you so much for joining us tonight. It has been a blast always is we still have a season recap to come so come back here next week y'all and thank you so much for watching and we'll see you next time.

It’s the end of everything on Voltron! Hosts Katie Cullen and Megan Salinas and guest Bex Taylor-Klaus (voice of Pidge) discuss the Voltron series finale, in which we manage to completely unmake the universe, and only remake it with a final royal sacrifice. There’s talk of the various endings - where are our paladins a year after the end of everything - and discussion about the various forms of love and which are valid (spoilers: all of them). It’s an emotional end on this week’s Voltron - stay tuned next week for a season recap! The Voltron After Show: Join the robotic lions in this intergalactic war against the Galra Empire by listening to the various recaps, reviews and in-depth analysis and discussion on each episode of the series. Not only will we break down the episodes though, we’ll also deliver all the latest news surrounding the show and have cast and crew join us. It’s the VOLTRON LEGENDARY DEFENDER AFTER SHOW! Show Summary: Voltron: Legendary Defender is an animated web television series produced by American companies DreamWorks Animation and World Events Productions and animated by South Korean Studio Mir. It is a reboot of both the Beast King GoLion anime series and the Voltron franchise, and its animation is a mix of anime-influenced traditional animation for characters and background and CGI for Voltron action sequences. Voltron: Legendary Defender is set in a science fiction universe where planetary energy called "quintessence" can be used to power vehicles and magic. The series follows the adventures of the Paladins of Voltron who must learn to work together to form the giant robot Voltron and use it to defeat the evil Galra Empire.

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So thank you for that 7,000.Tick-Tock at that as well. So around 7,500 we View and God Tick-Tock removed because the Rangers fans were pissed off. Yeah. We we had a tick tock it removed because of Liam. He said some unlawful words. No, I just had a firmer ellos is not good. Yes, but you said there were words that were said in there that people got offended by so we apologize to do anything besides. They're just raging the Rangers are raging. It's a common to common theme in Scotland. Anyways, let's kick it off this week. We got a lot to talk about and not Not that much time. We're a bit Rush tonight. But I mean we're finest you're going under intense. Anyway, surgery a matter of 12 hours kind of yes, he's 40 now. He's getting his wisdom teams teeth pulled out. Anyways, it is time. We're starting with the Premier League Arsenal vs City, the biggest match of the weekend were starting out Mesut. Give us your thoughts. I love what's that? There are quite a few comments calling you always. Oh, I got ya. I don't understand. Method also very controversial are you in relation to Mesut Özil know my sister had 23andMe thing recently where Turkish? No, I'm not Turkish. I'm mostly Eastern European 92% Okay. So anyways, what did you what did you think of the match my suit? Yes, let's let's talk about it. I'd okay one thing. I don't think I look like mr. Wilson. What a start to this podcast. Look comment down below if you think I look like mess it ozel put a pole put a pole. Once again Mesut. I'm asking you. What did you think of the match? Shhhh, I'll give you a very quick rundown. Okay, Arsenal are bad. They're not having to brine is good. That was the game. Um, can you argue with that statement just made Kevin De bruyne is without a doubt the best midfielder in the world right now. There's come on. Let's be honest here is all the tools and shit like I mean, yes, he's definitely a player that fabinho. He's been decent doesn't score the goals though. We're not talking about fabinho. He's injured and the best midfielder in the world. You have to talk about for be no in that conversation. Yes, but we're wrist never mind the talking about Arsenal Manchester City Liam, if you want to get into best midfielder in the world where they will get into later. We thought it up. Well, I said don't believe this I didn't say it's a question. Anyways, she's okay. Probably the worst possible start Arsenal could have had within conceding in the first minute. Yeah, honestly, it was a burning coal strike. But what was the source of the fence doing? Yeah. Like I said in the pregame the postgame show did Arsenal hear the whistle blow did they know the game started or know where they just kind of still asleep? You can't blame David Luiz this time or when I am right? Not really. I mean to be fair. Apparently. It's the coaching training sessions for Arsenal right now is just pretty youngberg and Peart mertesacker. The two players who had decent careers, those are two two people to run training sessions. There's apparently closed with three four five coaches hundred percent, but I'm saying is those are two players who have been there for a long time. They should know what the you know, they had great career, but they're very inexperienced person rolls. I'm not saying they're they're good coaches. They're not never going to be in the running for the Arsenal full-time position. But you know, I think the blame now has to be put on the Arsenal players, you know, they gave Honours inventor the gave up on Armory. They've already given up on ljungberg. I don't know there for a couple weeks don't have given up its yeah. It's easy spineless gutless. I don't even think it's even like they've given up. I just don't think this players are good. You have aubameyang of like I said, you have Pepe who costs and there's the same price of a small country croat are working. Well your other the chemistry's and they're just like his head's gonna be sold because they not nothing is going well and ourselves the young kid who started to Martinelli Martinelli. Well, I mean, I don't know it's risky because of bombings contract is getting smaller and smaller. If you're a bomb. Hey, do you stay in that shithole? Okay, calm down there. Are you sorry ourself a North London is very nice. I don't know. I've never been there but it is it is an interesting thing to consider. I think you have to look at the board as well like a percentile once they've won a game which was against West Ham. They released this video of release. This old style merge. Yeah Arsenal and then convenient time to posted when you guys actually win when all your other matches have been drawers or losses. And then boom you lose again to Manchester City disgraceful performance where you guys pretty much lost a match in the first 20 minutes. It was a disgraceful performance. I think it's a harmison right in saying, you know I said this has Haven Arsenal to me are spineless and gutless. There's no fight. They've given up on the game after 20 minutes. They They have no one in that team to lead be a captain to look like it to to take the game and go in and out of those out of with those ill but even their defense, he's the last person to have it you will in a sense. Yeah, he's not a type of player to lead his type of player to be part of the solution every is every manager. He says he's a luxury player. He's great to have in your team is great to have on your squad, but he's not the guy to put on or to have out there when you Need a crucial result. He's a great player. No one's good ever debate. Oh sales talent. I just don't think he has the the fight to them in a sense. Well, it's easy to have no fight one players around you or not showing the fight as well. I'm not going to put all the blame on those they'll not at all. But you look at this this 11, you know Colossians. Aah, pop it up a level level level has you can see his name properly socratis Chambers and may Niles Ian Cheney. Birds had mistaken a second half where he lived just like dribbled the ball forward just ended up getting it taken photos of these players forgot how to play football. Is that an Arsenal back for to know it's not count Chambers played for Fulham who got relegated last season that that back for is shocking meeting miles is Young and probably I don't know if right back is his best position you hold class in a child things left back to the best position. I mean, that's where he plays normally still don't think as his best man. You much defensive work from Gwen doozy. I mean what do see is like probably when do these 20? I know the thing is Bill pliers, like Gwen doozy Maitland Niles, you know, these are player and Martinelli just players that you know should be coming off the bench. Hey, you know, it's great to have these players and players. I'd probably still be playing in the reserves. Give him 20 minutes giving some tips. I'm going to give them some you know experience not. Hey, let's rely on you to save our season now. When do these good? When do I say that's fair? If we're going to see if this was last season because he was definitely tossed in there when our something have many options but this season I think he's played. All right, he's obviously not fully ready. But he has shown signs of being a great player. But obviously there's still a long way to go to for him to reach that stage of his career. But yeah, there's a lot of young players that touch to feel this way. I look at this. Akka role will look all meeting Niles Chamberlain Gwen doozy Toria, Martinelli and pepe are all under the age. 25. Mmm-hmm. So it's like it's a very inexperienced team, especially a top Premier League level and especially when you don't really have a leader in that team or players at exactly or players that are good examples. Like if you look at Liverpool, obviously if you guys yeah you can you can you can argue how good they are as players technically and talent-wise like Milner and Henderson, but they're great guys who have around the club in on the pitch as well because they're just great characters and are able to What's the word I'm looking for? I'll need to tell ya to just take the game by the Scruff of the neck and drag the rest of the team with you kind of thing and like Roy Keane and I need right no, no not like that. They should just move away from the Roy Keane. Yes, that's like 2029. So you look at the three substitutes Arsenal made sacca Smith Rowan willick, 18 19 20 years old lack. Is that stays on the bench? Shocking I don't I don't know what to say. Really. I know Arsenal fans are not very happy after they like as at five goals this season in the Premier League 10 games. My wandering is now are you had a hot? Where do you where do you think our cells going to finish in the Premier League this season? Well, they're currently ninth for some reason. It sounds a lot better. That's not how I expected worse. Yeah. Arsenal make Europa League, they'll be very happy. Do you know that I think you're not wrong with that they get that fifth spot. They will be a static right now the Four Points of 16th Everton, which isn't ideal. No like one win in their last four points off a fifth. Yeah. So I mean they're in a very the Premier League table super tight this year like you said last episode or two episodes ago. I think it was the premier league is Very tight right now in the middle that seventh 214 also night you could say forced to the ball. Now. You didn't even against West Ham on Monday. They weren't playing. Well, they can see the Durley in like I was pretty well they were it was different to see them actually come back and win a game. We also can't gloss over the fact West Ham and Men City are two very different teams Man City working for you surprised to see are still down 1 mil. The West has no not at all. Not at all this season and are not doing What the hell up for Arsenal's know what's performing well, but he's such a weird dynamic. Let's not gloss over Manchester City's performance because they were very very good. This is mad and just one thing about arsenal. We just can't we can't ignore the board though, like know they're the ones that bordering the players into the club. They bring the players they bring the managers like they're the type of players up bring these transfers in and season by season and let certain players leave the club and in recent Seasons the players they have bring been bringing in either. Maybe they're good enough, but they don't fit that the way Arsenal should be politically active totally ignore trying to strengthen the defense. Yeah. Well, they have done trying but they clearly they're not going after any big players to have the wheezes in a big buttery open players got to go to Arsenal Obama made a couple years ago. They were able to sign in lock is that when it was the old way mommy Obama is a weird transfer. I gotta be honest. There was teams in my mind at least better than Arsenal who are willing to sign on the time. They weren't bad. They were still in the title race for there were at least in the Champions League. Yeah, but there were solid consistent Champions League team. Yeah, Arsenal have fallen very very critical. Now, it's time to be the question ones that when are we going to see are still back in the Champions League the probably at least kind of Shifting Now teams, like Lester you have to say that they're going to get Chapstick spot this year. Yeah Chelsea you're going to fight for it Spurs are going to fight for it wolves or even going to fight for it to Manchester United United show us to respect your Italian league team. I'm just saying I was waiting that's pushing it you can shut the fuck up. But even teams like Jeff field this season. Yes chef. They're still up there. Yes, I don't think they're gonna catch a music snob but he'll if they can upset a couple of these top teams. So yeah, you know, I mean, what do you guys think? What do you think Arsenal will finish? What do they need to do? Yeah. I think the biggest question is that lady said where does Arsenal finish and what will it take to save Arsenal? You know, who do they need to sign? What do they need to do? What manager does is coming because I mean we look at managers available right now all ancelotti, Nico Kovach are those guys coming to Arsenal? Apparently they're they're interviewing 14 people or so my God, but like okay, why would you have that many that much of a list should you know what type of managers you want and the guy that runs the pub the local waitress Eddie how maybe the bin man the kit the kit guy can probably run this team better than I am. Now. This one's are you on the candidate list? You could I don't know. I'm not. Sucking my Dad's friend applied for the skaaland national Scotland team job. Oh, wow. He was working out like a Home Depot. He said I can't do any worse whole thing. All right now give me this team. But yeah, he implied that he had a response. No, no. No you could was you could run our school. I think I could on people don't really have my my certificates or badges but whatever. That's okay, but let's move on to something else Manchester City you guys dance 3-nil for City. I'll carry this death. Look. I'm just trying to Some context your man is three no four silly. I was a Kevin was brilliant brilliant outing but well all games he set up Sterling for the goal. I'm pretty sure it goes up one thing you want to notice. So there's a one point in the match in the first half for the fowls were 10 to 1 for Manchester City that and twenty four two nine. There's a lot of fouls here, but I think City didn't say did not get out of second gear. Yeah, all on a lot of their followers were like just Tactical Foul, sir, when Arsenal win the ball back, they just follow them high up the pitch like City just boil them. They were content with just strolling through this game. They did they didn't they didn't need to it's like a bunch of schoolyard boys being bullied. Yeah, man versus boys. Yeah have your team's only dated 25 it quite literally the been versus boys and Arnold it's hard to say. You can't really say too much bad about City in this match because they created a good chances. They probably should. Scored more goals coming from worse to me by worse hundred percent positive is they played full 14, which is nice to see. Yeah. You think he's playing pretty good and he's sayin watch what is the only playing because its Arsenal? Yes. No because they're so far behind the title race. Maybe I think perhaps going to use this season as a I mean, they know David Soul was already leaving, you know, he's going to leave the club in the season. Yes. He's gonna try to fix It's his defense. I mean ottoman days I think gone from entity. He hasn't had the best two seasons mendis injured the entire time. We buy today get you cough on him and he breaks his leg cut anything like come on the man the man's own tissue. Like he's not I can't blame him for what he's not wrong. I'm not wrong. Johnstone's is a liability at the Commence a bomb scare he is to repair their kind of shaky. They needed anything I'm saying Ray really need I'm Eric report back. I mean it's not coming back for a while. I know but I think even I think if you ask pep, this season's Awash get over this season and start fresh next now. I mean, I think it's cool, but we can't just focus on the Champions League. I can't focus on the Premier League. Well, okay. What about this? There's been a lot of Walk around this people having opinions about it. And I know publish question about it in the media and he's denied it. But like what if Pepe do you think people would leave and suppose you have has a not a release of all right Klaus? Yeah break knows that he can just believe what he wishes basically and Val Val Verde. Um, the president of Barcelona Bartholomew or told me or tomato. He said the door is always open for Pep. I think this would be perfect for Go back to Barcelona same potential sinking ship. I completely agree on first place in the league. Oh, I understand their first place in La Liga, but there are signs that things we're not going well for there's also a big big star saying hey Messi is 33. He could be retiring this season next season retire within the next two years. Are you kidding me? He's probably got another six years and I missed you. That's mess six years. Yes 39 year old messy. Six five years. Yeah, why not Messi's 32 32 32 apologies for getting messy is a drunk. Sorry. So call me clueless. I think I don't think under with bartolomeo at the club. I don't think pep would ever go to Barcelona, but do you think PEB would leave Manchester City at the end of the season do you think there's certain circumstances where he does leave the thing with Pap? There's not a million teams room to go coach. He has to be at the big cat. He can't really go back to Bayern. I don't I mean by and would love him by Ironwood. I don't see me going back to buyer if he goes anywhere to go. It's going to Barstow. What about you Ventus? Did you get rid of sorry. I've never what two seasons. Hey, I don't know what it is. But he seemed like a bar Juventus manager to you was a Bayern Munich a Pep Guardiola team. Yes, can you yes, technically? No, but I need a lot of money game was bit. The club is big enough for pepper of course events is a big enough Club, but Bayern had Okay, I was gonna say Byron had that all out winning mentality. So does you vent is hundred percent? I'm not going to say that but Byron has that ruthless. We win a trophy before that season buying didn't win the title for a few years. Yes, but on three years. Yes, wasn't it? That's not and they lost dfb dfb. Pokal final five to and they said okay, that's not. Okay. Let's go get pep and Juventus have a formality to know they want the trouble before he came, you know. Juventus are gonna win cereal the season and I don't know who entered events are winning Syria the season I don't think so. That's not the conversation here. We're talking about winning mentality is of these teams pebbled go to a club like event is a club like Byron probably called like PSG because they are the richest teams in each of those leagues because he won and they can attract the best players for him to use PSG I could see so I'm saying basically PSG, but you guys have PSG PSG return to Barcelona potentially UV Potentially this boat you seem staying at City at the end of the cesium sting now see why he wouldn't we I depends on how they do Champions. He likes to come cut the the competition. Okay. I'm really do you think he would leave City if he doesn't win the Champions League? Everyone's no trophies. Yes season if pepin's no trophies this season. He only stays if he's guaranteed a blank check you can sign whatever player you want, which I mean men City do basically anyways, well, they should well they That but I have the money to me tell me you tell me okay pep, you get to go inside coulibaly you Google to sign this guy. This guy this guy he goes. Okay. I stay that's how I see it. If City owners go. You know what you're going to have two or three signs this year. That's it. I think he goes, I don't need to stay here. I'm giving you my presents kind of sense. How would that look on say he lets this is hypothetical obviously, but say he doesn't want anything either permanently or the champion. So you and he leaves how would that look on him? And his reputation you'll get a lot of people is Guy. Here's a Pepsi fraud. Um, you know, I think he is a fraud here. I mean, he's very quiet. Maybe maybe you should go do lower T. Maybe go bite all is a little pep. And this is my own personal opinion. And he goes to the biggest teams spends the most money. No one do you win trophies? And he's still one of the best managers of all time you could share meaning but he also doesn't like in the best possible way that could be done also, like he takes money he builds these teams and he gets hundred-point seasons. Of course, you need money to win. Yeah, I mean and people are all he didn't spend that much money at bar. So he inherited one of the greatest teams. I'm just saying Just times worried managers take over teams and like Superstar teams and still don't do well I mean and they still spend a lot of money or they don't do as what Maya Barcelona but he inherited one of the greatest sighs Val de Verde is I mean, he's already does not have the team he had yeah boss looks and alone makes their entire defense better. Let's not forget of all Verde almost had an undefeated season. I'm not saying that you know Oreos is a fries just he is very good, man. Yes. But I agree. He's a very good manager, but I don't rank him as number one of all time. But or even in these not you should never ever going to be number one of all time because you have to stare Club 423 reality reality Manchester City should not be this far behind Liverpool know you can you really blame them because they've had some key and yes, can you keep playing pet for that? We knew that there are done for trial. He knew that. Hey if Laporte goes down were fragile at the back. He knew that but he chose to not sign up. I don't want to say Him or the club maybe pep, one of the players in the club said no, I don't think you really expect me to say no to spending money. I mean you really expected to ever put Fernandina what Center back you didn't think I would get to that Paul day. They the prepared that they've had some preseason matches with how I do my honest and I also blame pep for being so stubborn in his tactics, you know, you can't go into these games with a makeshift defensive line playing the same style you play when you have your full 11, you have to change you have to be versatile, but pep is This is how I play is this how I coach you don't like it piss off base. The only times I see well there are times when he does change his place all like very very rarely like Liverpool where they just go home she pissed because he knows you're from clubs better. Am I Wrong Lucas am I wrong I love mr. Club, so I'm not going to say anything. But yeah, I mean let us know about this no discussion. We had our we are we leading to something or are we completely wrong? I do give credit to FTW though YouTube because I Watch this one where he goes pep new his defensive line was weak. He never strengthened. You have to give part of the blame to him on that little side note blame has to be put on pap. He's not Untouchable then we've been on Arsenal Man City for 15 minutes. We also have a rest of the primarily to kind of come. Yeah. Well, where would you like to move on to something that is United vs Everton. I want to go to this because that's you know, this is kind of silly in my opinion. Is it silly because As we go from beating Spurs City smashing AZ alkmaar Allah, whatever more it's also about and then we go on to draw ever seen one one at Old Trafford Everton have been in a good run of form since sacking their manager Duncan Ferguson. He's been doing well. They've won one game they've been good though, and energy levels have been better. Now, they're placed Credit Union act. We should have actually we had chances. We just weren't as clinical a some. Some of your fans, you know, I've had some think we were clinically dead 66% possession. Yeah, you had 24 total shock eight on target. So that being said we did create more chances than usual. So that's good to know. I mean Lindelof had a chance that almost led to a nice school. I know unfortunately unfortunate was an own goal that just went off his leg Lindelof scored a great goal. But but 18 year old mason Greenwood best teenager on the fire right now. Whoa, whoa, whoa. He's up there James nacho. He's okay, you're doing you can't he's just he's just started, you know shit disturber. But um, okay so teenager anymore who have heard what she said should have won the Golden Ball. I mean the guava me out. Okay look like jokes aside. Mr. Greenwood husband. Actually, he's been doing pretty well. You know, it's a great game against Easy-Off Mars had some great Esports, we recently so some people are comparing him to a van Persie, but I think hlad the guy you were raving about for some reason why wouldn't you want to sign him when you know, he's up there something he's overrated, you know, there's there's one team that plays Youth and teenagers and doesn't get results. And then that name is Arsenal while united we play a bunch of teenagers and we go and smack City, but you let me talk to yourself and then we driver Tim because we're so we can say that's not a good result despite Everton bringing in and you know, I never said it was a good United season though, they play they performed brilliantly against top six. They go against these week or sides who sit back a little more and it had its kind of its kind of harder to counter teams like Everton who do come and sit back on one trick pony at this point. You're a counter attacking team. Yeah, we can do that against the big teams because they don't necessarily sit back. You can't be 2015 Lester. Only Lester is Lester. It's a little bit different which is yeah, of course, but did you think there was a follow on to him? Here on the Lindelof own goal. No, not really. I didn't see anything. I saw it. Do I think there was a foul. I really weak one potentially. But if I'm referee, I don't give that yeah me regardless the fact if it's a foul or not. We should have scored at least three against everything. I think I think that's the biggest thing that we should have guys. Do not convert your chances. That's game. Yeah, and like what world's Marcus Rushford. He had a free-kick that trick for the little but yeah, it was born. It was good as a good. I mean it was the middle but Jesse lingard had a chance he oh, yeah. Just why did I want? That's a tough one. I'll give him a break on that one because it's a he's like literally doing a 180. Yeah, that was kind of I think that that she could have done that a lot better. Is it tough challenge? It's just weird for you know, because you know the beats per City but yet they'll draw Villa Sheffield and Everton. What's your next run of games looking? Like I thinks it could be it could be a tough play Watford. We need to get Point like we need to we want to get in that top four position. I'm sick and tired of watching Europa. I want to get back. Back in the Champions League. Yeah, you got Watford Newcastle Burnley every time I could be tough games for you. All of course, they're gonna be tough games. We Castle been very good this season you Castle Beach long as yeah, he's gonna sit if they're not in the top six. We're going to have it's okay though drawable first the new year starts off great for you who you got Arsenal. Oh, well, that's that's 3 points. The new year new United will be in Your Arsenal. You never know. That's true Did anyone. See in this match or is it just other than Greenwood or was it just me? I think it was more Mash. Mostly everyone, you know James is okay. Yeah hit the one shot that killed Anthony Marshall and I was looking guard it's just was it Jesse? Lingard killed in got hit in the face. Yeah. Lingard got hit. Yeah. Okay. Well, that's okay. I thought was Marshall we need to keep him along with you feel like guard has been playing better recently. Just three points wasted and gone. It's unfortunate. That's all I can say, but, you know, we just need to start beating these damn to team so we can we talk about the rumors Lucas just just wants a fair play to Everton. Or points against Chelsea and Manchester United you Duncan Ferguson has been managing them. Well, he's I don't know. Let's say one of the things were magic is sacked. Oh, let's play well now except for Arsenal. We're going to be slacking Arsenal for a while. We're gonna serve it. But okay, I'm gonna give some rumors here. If you want comes the rumor mill irlen Hollande wants to sign for Manchester United supposedly. This is reported on to the BBC. This off of the Manchester official paper. Yeah suppose. He told all I got are so sure that he wants a signed for Manchester United the 22 year old says that he would love to play Under Soul shower again. And so sure of course would like to head back he went on well you would fit well into our young ladies come Dynamic we have scored 28 goals in 22 games this season seven assists not bad numbers. Yeah, and now you're gonna say, oh you're gonna have too many Strikers and forwards. Well that okay to have yeah. That's right. Now kind of what we want for some players development. I would say no Old Trafford would be his first choice destination. If he was to make a move in January. Haha. I don't know. I don't know where the BBC are getting this info from and how they already know that that's his first choice but his agent me no raiola. Yes, so she has that it yes'm. It's keeping all options open and would like to see him sign for City at Giants Juventus. Well, that's where is Agent wants him to go. Well, I think picker pane is a very nice guy. Good ties the events. Yeah, I really do but there's been some big rumors recently Dortmund was reported during when we were recording our last podcast surprise don't suppose you what happened. There's his agent Rye Ola had like meetings with what six or seven different clients and like form in Leipzig Dortmund Leipzig you Ventus United I think dormant in Leipzig would be better options than Manchester United provinces be for him quite probably would but United want to if we sign it, I'm not gonna be angry because Doorman pakka akka Fair he is constantly. Guess what? That's good for Dortmund you guess what you're not getting him and then Leipzig they play two Strikers. So he would you notation would work there on like at Manchester United Lucas. I know this is your favorite Source the sun don't even say the name don't even say the headline. They said they would say that has 250 million to spend this year. I'm just gonna leave this here your boy Fabricio. Romano the guy on Twitter who is always right about everything while he says they're poor signing a player. Here we go. So you're so you're saying, you know, the guy Ritchie very good. Are you got to give it to you but for whatever reason we just recently started hearing about him on Wednesday. No, I had him not to years ago. My fever career. Most guys a legend place too much people cream when I put too much Ultimate Team. There's just a the podcast right there your daughter. It's getting plays football Badger. So there you go. Can we go to spuds? Is that all the rumor Mills you have so I have for my chest, you know, what's put a rating. Do you think reading of Holland going to United 7 or 10? I'll agree with that seven out of ten three out of ten this bastard bastard. He's things logically we go. He thinks negatively we drink the Kool-Aid and the still says Liverpool not win the league. We're not doing it or not doing it Lucas. If you don't win the League this season, I'll be awesome. Thank you your jersey. They're missing most of the fans are right now. We're not saying anything until it's done deal our New Jersey. If they don't like this use them you you don't you don't see your way and League until you've actually cross the finish line. I know it's hard for you to comprehend. Celtic and you basically when the titled start of the season but yeah, that's good thing. These Rangers fans have been slacking you to look at look at was throwing your reverse psychology at you. Technically. We're in one of the closest title races in Europe right now. It's separated by a goal like graduations. All of Europe is currently at I'll race but not the Premier League. Yeah. We still don't like talking about it. Yes, and here we go the Spurs. Yes. That's a good game to one they win. Yes, but I think my favorite moment is game was Adama Troy's strike the whole I think poor Craig me from anger. He's probably the scariest part of the Premier League him on Max think maximum. No, no because it Maxime. Here's the thing priorities the same speed and Pace but a damn side bigger. He's big he can run real or he's getting bigger and bigger each time. I would like to see how big his feet are, you know, just like this muscle size really look at those legs massive wash your clothes don't have muscles. I will find a way to work out his feet like that doesn't matter of a shot. He's huge. He's quick. He's eiu scary but Spurs you could give them credit because what a goal by Lucas Maura. I was also a fantastic Twinkletoes moment. It's one of those type of shots where it's like really fast. So it's hard for the goalkeeper to react quick enough to save it because it go right over his head. Yeah, great to weave his way through the Defenders. Yeah, he could have went down but he stayed up which fair play to him. I respect that a lot and it led to a goal. They're using more almost like a center. Forward right now. I know he didn't start there. I know he was out on the wing he's got use on the wing when he school. Yeah, but you know there they use them as a centre-forward in the Champions League and he plays upfront very frequently. I mean the front three of Saint Moritz and Kane are all interchangeable at times but yeah, but Wolves. Yeah, then later idolatry with his strike. He's just he's starting to add more end product to his game If he if he gets more goals and assists he's going to be like what I said. Scary spider in the would you say the world or just the premise sleep REM? This is the pro Robert Lewandowski this carries in the world. If I'm a Defender and I see Lewandowski. I walk home. Maybe I go ahead he's most are for I might as well not be in the field and damaged or it could be this year's John vertonghen rescues all three points for Spurs The 91st minute. Yep. No, he literally came from out of nowhere. Like literally you wasn't even on screen and then runs into this empty space and the ball gets to his head. Go super young super young and it was a decent all I mean head. It's a good header. Yeah, it was 14 year old it below the matter bullet, but not for Spurs all there are 2 V the back in Europe European spot, you know there they got through the Champions League group is Jose going to save their season. Who knows right now, he's done a great job. Yeah. I mean, you know some luck like there's a lot of close games even though a few of those games are up three. Nil. I want to say they were up 10 20 took over sound about right? I don't think you're entirely so I mean I'm five positions doesn't sound like a hell of a lot but those are important five positions in the Premier League also feel a little hard done that by they had some chances to take the lead at like there's a header to they had which was a good save by cousin you go mmm. But yeah, Maria has been doing a good job, huh? Some of the players are looking better than ever wolves are still five points out of a Champions League spot. It's not that far away right now also, Chances are zarek's and leaving Spurs this January 7 out of 10, ah 8 out of 10. Spoiled don't know if you leave. Give me your thoughts. What's your ready? Oh, probably four to ten. I'll say six eight or ten. He's gone. Mmm. Let's talk though about the Saturday games start that with Liverpool title contenders Premier League winners of hey ketta to Nila victory over Watford now Egyptian king. Yes, it's something more solid the Egyptian king did fantastic yet again. How many goals you have the season? I think that's now 8 for him in the Premier League. Yeah. I think so 9:00 9:00. Okay, 9:00 in the Premier League. That's not that oh, yeah, he was getting involved Lon it was the goal was a great counter attack off of Watford corner and most all ends up getting by one of the Defenders and taking the shot on his right foot. Yeah hurling. It was addressing a good finish for him, you know on his right foot not as Stronger song as 40th one of those players that makes football look easy. He really doesn't need anybody else to good way of putting it but he also is a part that makes football look difficult. The chances he misses sometimes but he worked very hard off the ball. I think but he's he's a special talent. He's obviously great Liverpool finally got a clean. She didn't hand feels I think the first one the season started all this isn't primarily kind of money got gets a goal disallowed by VAR that's yet another hairline offside decision. So knowing because it was such a great head. It was it was a great goal, but man with us add tight call, but Liverpool was not their best in this match against Liverpool not be at the best all season. I want to say that that's fun high early true. But like there has been a few three or four matches recently were I would agree with you II still don't Liverpool last year, I think was apparent Liverpool this year and yet here you are top apparently undefeated know we were undefeated last season at this point to fair enough, but okay, sorry, obviously. Henderson and when Oldham know they did the job they needed I think so. I love me some Jake. Ah, awesome for me. No hasn't been in the greatest goals or assist performance has recently but we have four goals for assists in the Premier League this yeah, a lot of those were earlier on in the season so cheery or secure. I don't know how he wants to pronounce this name. But as you're done a Shakira Hill some say should cheer years old doesn't matter if it's cheer. We've been calling him shaqiri since the day he put in playing so that's what I'm He was at Stoke don't care if he was buying me first. Okay, put some respect on the same side. So he is a Champions League winner two times anyone to stoke. No. No, he was in the middle of Italy for a bit Yeah, you play for interesting. Oh, wow. He's been everywhere. They came from Roswell trials a puzzle as well. Anyways, he also played for Stoke. I don't want that to ever forgotten because you know, yeah and should carry your ups and Alpha Li so weird to you. Open up but yet another relegated to get relegated. That's season. Yeah. Hey good team. Like there wasn't a good team. You should kurian boy. Yeah boy on his not that yeah. Yeah, but he never lived up to his potential. But yeah, I thought Wofford weren't that bad. They had chances to score. But unfortunately they have the shooting ability of a six-year-old. Yes, I've got the way the light Will Hughes and see there was some incredible mrs. In this game for Watford like was it's our sorrow had pretty much missed the ball. Come on. That's what I would do. I've done hop in the Box own around them fluffs it basically me last game to Curry had a good chance to was your life back. That's okay. You're not even left-footed. Okay, whatever, but the curry he had a A great chance. He completely fluffed it. Uh, I don't know whatever good chance Wofford had in this match. It just fluffed it in it's unfortunate because they weren't playing bad. I see a cab has Haley's tweet the Centre back for Watford. What did you say posted that he liked read he retweeted the Premier League's picture whatever encoded because he's in the background this picture to Liverpool players celebrating and it's basically him saying that moment when you know, you're going to be in Prime really highlights for eternity. So good. So yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so I don't have much more else to say I know letter pulled their they have a busy week. Yes. They have a match on the 17th against Austin Villa in the care about cup but then but then the next day they're in Qatar. I wonder if the small teams like this they seal of approval coming up on the next schedule and he's gonna cry I'll send those going to be trained because you're going to be playing our youth Team 17 year olds. Get ready for Rehab rooster. Get ready for a Patrick from Jack relish you could happen because it was six and I think you want to go they tried to guard against Arsenal and are so still alive, aren't we all know they're up to right now. So let's go to the I just want to mention since we're probably not going to talk much about Liverpool later on. Yeah, then going to the club World Cup. I'm not sure if we'll have a podcast for I would play Monterey lovely the Mexican side. Yeah, and we know where we can watch these do you really want to watch this is the club World Cup? I'll let you know when I find. I doubt it's technically the biggest competition of soft. Technically. It is the most the biggest Club competition in the world. Isn't it? One last year by Real Madrid was it or was it I thought it was done by someone else? No, I'm pretty sure Real Madrid won and am I think he has something different tournament probably because we are matured probably did won it last year. I thought they lost it to who I know they put like a Japanese. I solved the Japanese team not real. I want it. Yeah, that's Japanese team knows all I need who's antlers. Are they making something up or place? They lost the river played in the game because Shiva Anglers. Yeah, they didn't solve their ever. That's the best they did. Well, don't worry Gareth Bale best player the only tournament they'll play him in so but yeah, we I know some people they just don't care about the club World Cup. I think it's gonna kill you. You win the trophy get this sweet crust on it. I don't care your clothes never going to beat it. Fair enough. I don't care about it. I see who say I think if it wasn't in Qatar at care about it so much more because it's a it's a trophy for being the best team in the world. Yeah. Don't technically it's just with could clean Monterey. That's cool though. We never played his Mexico T is very cool, but we could be playing able to cut if the the Champions League winning team does not win this every single season. There's big issues happened before I know it I'll sing before but I'm saying it should there's big issue. If it doesn't well I watch on the kickoff Rory. He's a Chelsea fan on there and you experience the club World Cup in Tokyo, and he said like when they play against Corinthians, there is like 50,000 Brazilians in there. This is a pretty big tournament for some of these clubs. Yeah, like this is probably the best it's ever going to get like a horse is going to go play up against the Champions League winners, you know, some of the biggest players can only make it maybe every 50 years. Yeah because you have to win the your Continental trophy to get into it. I know flamengo they play I'll heal all I think that's how you say uncle. Ah, yes like Flamenco they've been one of the best teams they've been varied in history of South America. They've been a colonel. I mean, I feel like we would destroy them but don't get cocky but then again you never know because maybe Liverpool wouldn't be up to it so much and then these teams were what are your guys thoughts on this wonderful team known as the club World Cup. Can you want to Chelsea? Yes, I have. You things to say about okay. Tell me a few things about this Lucas. They lost one nail to Bournemouth at home. Not great, Frankie. Yeah for losses in the last five for Chelsea and know you go into this match versus Bournemouth Bournemouth coming off a three. No loss to Liverpool injuries to their players like ah que. No La their team is bruised up calm Wilson also was injured so you'd expect Chelsea at home to be able to handle Bournemouth. But you would think but they lose one nail from interesting goal by Dan Gosling which initially was wait said offside. But yeah, the goal is first flagged off side by the linesman and clearly on side. The only was he was he was after the defender, but it came off the Chelsea man, correct? No, he was on site because I thought you want from Rochelle serum and I use it was on-site. I think Mason Mount kept him on fair enough, but like I didn't want to just give up I watched it. Stu like later in the day it the first 30 minutes made me fall asleep. Almost honestly, it wasn't great. I know not early on but like Yeah by like the 30th minute. I just needed to take a break from the match and watch the rest later. But like there is like a chance for Bournemouth in the first few minutes from Ryan freezer. There was a chance from Tammy Abraham where maybe could have done a bit better, but honestly, there was not much going on Chelsea have a lot of the ball but weren't really able To create too much and I don't know some of their players that have been performing. Well in recent weeks have not been performing. I like you said barn with had lot had lost five of their last match the last five matches they lost them all. So I had bet on Chelsea to win shouldn't be here. You shouldn't bet. I'm really bad at it honestly exactly. But but but for Bournemouth is a big result for them because if you look at the table Bournemouth are not having the best two years, you know, that's them. A 14th right now. Yeah, all the Premier League. It's tight. It's yeah, like we mentioned several times. I think this is a result that relieves a lot of pressure from them. Obviously. They still need to do well in their next few matches for Chelsea. There are still four thin Champions League spot. Hmm. What's not working for Chelsea? Right now? Our goals are kind of dried up. I don't like their end product has not been playing to I know some may say coach Edge was a Miss in the Midfield and maybe having more Creativity in there I think Tammy bro. Okay, I think time you ever had that injury about two three weeks ago. Mmm that I'm I'm done with you that really I think I'd really kind of messed up there the motion they had gone on they had a good run of form going you only missed one match, but obviously it's hard it looked like a painful in. Yeah, and I guess it is hard to recover like in it right away from an injury like that. Hmm this who invited Like a mob boss or something right in this guy Jesus. It's a see from Family Christian poulos hitch. He had an OK and had one chance either. He went into the side netting instead of scoring. He was rather matches relatively really quiet will in had really no end product and then they made the substitution. They took off pool as such they brought on kovacic. They moved Mason mount to the left. They took off Willie and they brought on Hudson. Ndoye who he had one cross where it did lead to something. There's like a few deflections in there and really it I don't know who was on the end of it but a Chelsea player really should have scored their he had it in right at the ramsdale, but that was really Chelsea's best chance at the match. They had their world-class and her back and Tonio ruediger back. Do you think he is the man to Sure up their defensive issue? I mean, he can be part of the back line, but I don't know I have to watch him next few matches, see how it goes and whether to see if if he become whether his injury It becomes recurring yeah, well his another injury or whether he can be the man for Chelsea too. Many of the men of the Shelf supporters who have been watching her tick-tocks of slated us that data and Tony over Jitters finds that her back so they basically said he is Van Dyke. Well, I'm not backstabbing. We also got a YouTube comment saying like, yeah, he he'd prefer he likes reassure. He thinks he'd be he's the guy for chiming if your Cox said religious class and was injured and his back now. We also have to buy a by back on us. Okay. Yes, and I hadn't so Henry. Thank you for coming. We appreciate yes, but if you look if you're a Chelsea fan and you're looking at your defensive choices, of course you want ruediger to start. He's your best guy you have I mean undress Christensen is soft. He's not exactly a Centre back of my mind. He isn't when you what are your guys thoughts on I'm serious Christians little pansy you do better than no. You wouldn't know exactly you think I do better - he's soft. Premier League centre-back Zumba. Well, that's objective Zuma. He's shaky at best. I think he's had some unfortunate injuries and as taken him a while to really build up a lot of promise. I would really like to see router and tomorrow together. Oh, yeah. I think that's a good defensive pairing. I'm always been a revelation this year. So he's been good if you can keep it up for the whole season and I'll be great for Chelsea, but Chelsea they've had problems. Keeping clean sheets before even with tamari and before and with route is your injury. That's what is the injury to Murray has. I don't know because how long is he out for? I don't I haven't really heard much about his injury, I think because he was on the bench last week. I think this week so let me find out but was what do you expect from Chelsea when they play against Spurs? Oh, I think this may be very close game. I think they will play a lot better than they've had been recently. I think they know what's on the line, but it's tough to say because every time Chelsea have gone up against the tops excited. It's been kind of shaky especially against women, but you know, but that's the first game of the season. So that's really counts hot. I'm gonna go through 1-1 draw when they played Spurs. What about January? I think James would be huge for this Chelsea's. I don't know who that they're necessarily going to sign. Of course. We're saying we That coulibaly and whatnot. But Nation I came they have a first choice option. Yeah, that's true is barmouth gonna let him go in general. It's a here's here's my thing. Right? It's like I'm tossing this question of the viewers who do Chelsea by in January. Do they go after somebody or to stick with what they have? Because I think they have to buy I think they should buy someone just to have some extra depth if anything I'm selling I'm selling Christensen keeping tomorrow. Keep I just think I think Chelsea need a little bit more options. That's my thing. I'm not saying there's centre-backs are terrible, you know, some of you think their class I you know, we're well that's below quetta their soccer want him getting let go. I don't know why you let go of me. I think he's a quality Defender II agree versatile. You can play Wing back and he can play center back. So all those arcades it's not just us. First Option they have abide by clause for 40 million pounds. So so they trigger that it's not there's not much Bournemouth can do correct. Yes. That's what it seems like your according to the guardian and mr. Jacob Steinberg Jacob and it's good to see that Chelsea do have players like two more coming through the ranks. I could fill in first first team positions, right you want competition in every single position. Yeah. I mean, you know, if you do bring back a k you're not saying he's gonna give us our best be nice to chat. So you can have a good Joel Matt tip there for rent right now or like traumatic is world-class. Am I wrong? I know you love Joel. He's a second choice Center back in best. Right? Well, he said he's our first choice. I mean all with Van Dyke. Yeah. Yeah, it's tough for me to say that he's been injured for the past month. So he when he has but he's been one of the best defenders in the league but also but other than defensively do we see Chelsea making any signings? Of course, the another Striker you've been going to strongly linked with anyone else the same report that I've got from aqui. See we see here the ready to step up their interest for Wilfried zaha next month. Um, yeah, because their transfer ban has gone has been given a hundred and fifty million budget was Jaden Sancho also being talked about I'm reading the article as quick as I can. Yes, he's mentioned Chelsea and monitoring dortmund's Jaden Sancho cesca. Moscow is Fedor Cholla Leon's Mousa dembélé and RB Leipzig. Verner however, that could be harder to attract in January then zaha team of Verna be insane. That's I don't see that happen. I don't see I don't see her husband like a solid after German player in the permanent told me it was Ill. Yes, but other than that, we haven't like seen exciting German attack or the primarily ever Michael Sonic Pollock. Only nice on Easter forget. He's German. It's amazing because he's been injured it wasn't Attacker score goals. Guess what? You know who guess who else was in the Premier League Bastian Schweinsteiger. Look how that turned out. He's not score goals. You actually screwed couple less than Ballack. Yes. And anyways, let's move on. I think if they could swoop in and get Sancho, that'd be huge Mousa dembélé Auntie's a very good Center forward to have in your ranks again, would he become tied because he apparently there's I don't know. I'm still not sure but there's some apparently the Cup tie rules different or it's gone. I don't know what's the case with that right now. So maybe the club Tyrell wanted matter anymore. I don't know. Yeah, I don't know if you want to get off of Chelsea. We can go to Leicester city. They had a disappointing day the monkey parties back up Pookie party is back 1-1 draw Leicester City versus Norwich City TV Pookie scores in the 26th minute and then a Tim crew. Ooh lone goal in the 30th party. Well the Pookie party you forgot the party earlier this season it went on the Hyatt. Hi, there's no party going on. He scored one goal. Yeah, it's back. You don't there's no a party doesn't come back as you score one goal. Yeah good nine goals in 17 games. Where's Danny and his party all it ended this weekend. That's why I was so sad calling it a party because he's swatting lots of players score one goal in the Premier League. This man's a fraud. It was sort of a few goals Jamie vardy. That's true. He's having a ball. He's 17 games on his his party's done. No, it's not. Yeah, he didn't score doesn't matter his team second in the Premier League. Yeah, but I'm sorry I'm dying. I'm killing. This party's probably sucks. The party's over Leicester city who key party get out of here purely. Eilish. What what that's is that our table name don't know who cares don't talk about pop culture what Leicester city are still second in the permanently arguably the only title Rivals to Liverpool right now and somehow Tim how cruel scores an own goal all because of already had it in and out. But it was going away from the cold and cruel try to save it. So technically it was we thought it was Marty's goal, but it technically isn't well, but for Leicester city disappointing to not get the three points against Norwich there, but Norwich have done this before they beat men City they've done okay against bigger sides. I thought she looked quite well unless they weren't terrible. They definitely you could you obviously know they want to try play nice football and try to find a way way to the back of the goal sometimes passes from in behind the defense which would lead to the goal for Pookie and they try that throughout the match which didn't lead to goals. I am a big fan of Todd can't well. Yes I have but I think he's had a great season. I've been a fan of him since the start. Yeah. He's a seasoned not last year. I didn't watch him lasting good Kenny McClain. He's had a decent year for them. I don't know. I haven't eaten a lot of unsung rule. I have no comment on the Well, thank you. Yeah, I I know it's more natural nourriture an interesting team because they don't have many stars who Keys jangle is when I watched or which I don't actually don't ever watch Norwich. I'm sorry Tim. Krul though. He's a very good goal. He's very experienced goaltender only player. I know on this team really is Pookie and Tete. You don't know Tim. Krul. Typically. Absolutely. Okay. Brilliant was thank you for your excellent. Insight there. I gotta be always had hit me. I did not expect you. Did you see what happened in this man? What happened is modulus also, no, sorry for something. So excited. This is probably going to be lame to you guys. But like, okay so Norwich kick the ball out because one of their players were down and then Lester throw it in each nostril. That you know expect them to kick it back to that. Oh, yes, and then he goes on and tries to attack and wins a free kick that will looks like he's about to choke him out. But he's like stops. There's a very unsportsmanlike moment. But we've seen this a couple times this year. I'm like, come on kill Itachi. It's a beautiful game, but they the free cake they just kicked it out of bounds, but to review just a little top of the table. Liverpool are still top and 49 points Leicester city second 39 men. ends City for a third star third on 35 and Chelsea fourth on 29 Thoughts on that was how do you see United's chances for top four right now as we speak the weekly up this still good still. I mean no losses in the last five but no to win just a quick recap of the other two games. I haven't that there were having played on Saturday Sheffield get to nil victory over Aston Villa bit of an upset, but not really the same time. Jack dealers must apparently in the last movie did costly Fantasy Point West Ham get a one-nil victory over Southampton yet. Again Pellegrini saves his bacon. Because everyone said if you lose against Southampton, you're out that's true. You forgot about one match which one Burnley in Newcastle. What a cracks match that I didn't just miss one. No Burly winds probably get out of their little duct tape and sitting on Castle get weird. They look great against some to use as Humpty. Yeah, they're very 50/50 but more so 70/30 but and to review the bottom of the Premier League you have Watford in XX nine points. Norwich City 19th on 12 Southampton 18th on 15 and Aston Villa right above relegation 17th on 15 as well only up on goal differential on sick people thought the relegation teams are already determined but it's not over yet. No, it's not it's all wherever tins into the conversation. Hmm West Ham still in it warm it still in it Brighton is a every team up to 10th or technically still in it. Even though Crystal Palace is 7 points head so he ever Of 2/10 is still on is still in a tent has Crystal Palace on 22 points Arsenal 22 points that are you saying are still on our in a relegation battle. There's a reason why I said 1009 Arsenal to be relegated confirmed. Maybe that's a little harsh on Chris Paulson. Yeah, just like student quickly to take a look at the Monday fixture. It is Crystal Palace hosting Brighton. I'm not gonna say much about that one. That's just a solid mid-table battle or is it all it's a 6-pointer for sure. There was talk of a hat. Eric there it is. There's the called we done with the permanently. Yes. We are. We're going to go over. I think we forgot to cover a comment. That was also common to use rhetoric. I'm mr. Kelly Lindsay is calm did I think United's I may be Holland but a hundred percent zah instead of stealing guard. That'd be an interesting signing. I mean don't talk about z h last week where how he loses possession 40 times in the game, but I don't know interest in signing by mean. I wouldn't mind it Off the Bench. Certain quick attacker but bickman consistent but good shout potential. You have an almond so a common whatever you guys think about anything we talk about I'll try to shout it out. Let's go don't promise anything was my Mammy. I will try our best. Don't don't don't don't. Wow, it's always big boys Bayern Munich 6-1 victory over werder Bremen. Yeah. It was a horse what it was probably continues best gaming of his life. Yeah, I mean continue to continue 3 goals 2 assists. That's not bad. That's more than not bad harpreet Singh Play-Doh Lucas. I don't care abouts are pretty. How are you? He's the man. Anyways by a 6-1 against werder Bremen not much to be said there. I mean all the rest because they were down one nil. Okay. You're done one nail and they came back and they just smash Albert. I'd say that the 45th minute goal for Philippe continue kind all the 49th. May technically by like 45 minutes plus for me. Yes or understand what you're doing. But yes, yes that go like literally is 3 minutes of at a time and they let it go to the 4th minute. And I don't know I guess I wasn't paying attention during this part of the match, but maybe there's something that went on where they needed to go past three minutes, but they scored past it and they kind Of when you can see that close to half time and you go down vertebra by have a guy named Christian gross any relation to Pascal gross. I don't know tential. I don't know. I don't I don't fall the family ties and because I guess that's fair enough, but I just wanted to ask about but we're just knows these things for some reason me Lodge and as she got scores for Verner, very promising come from cassava. Oh, he's very good. Someone should look out for especially come the Euros. Yeah, well if they may qualify this rate, I feel like they could all do it's gonna be tough. I hope they make it the other big boys. Just we got talk about Philippe coutinho about feeling we had a marvelous hat trick we use on about this. Did you see the cherry on the top of the casing kills surprisingly a good player? Well, we have we've seen Sparks of him this season but not consistently, but this was probably his best performance. Maybe since his Liverpool days. Hey, I mean Tio's playstyle did not work at all at Barcelona. We saw that nor did he get along with Barcelona of her majority of his time there. So it's good to see him playing battle. That's a players haven't party right now. Continue Patrick that bad to assist Lewandowski is having a party. I'm so excited. Wow. Yeah. Usually I'm too cool some fun. Yeah, and also also weekly shout out to all fans of Davey started. Again this point it's great to see him starting. You know, I think I'm play. Well, what do y'all want to eat? What do you end up are all of us at always going to get put on loan is going to be another 23 Squad was the men's played Champions League Bundesliga. He's played a lot of games this season. He's done. Well, I think he's been might be one of the more under at a position or underrated towns in Europe so forth how does not necessarily yeah accustomed to you know, we all saw him as an attacking left-winger, I think for Canada he does He has to play. Yeah. Yeah, but it's different situation. But shit. Yeah for Bayern Munich. He's been doing a great job. I know I don't know how well you can determine this but who scored they had their Champions League 11 of the group stages and and Alfonso Davies was on there. So I think I'm positive he's being slept on by a lot of people so well because he's just starting to come out of nowhere now getting his name. It's beautiful. But Bayern Munich happened, that's insane. Oh, yeah. It's going to be easier for people to know. Has him because he's out buying. Yeah, he finally gets his name kind of put on the global stage Canadian playing in European Knights. Well, it doesn't happen very often. I like what dazed moan harsh but what happens when Lucas Hernandez comes back. I don't know how long his injury is. I know Sue Has His longtime warm its kind of the doors close with mr. Davies there. Well, there's also David Alaba what if Lucas Hernandez goes back who can also play left back there. Well Davies is performing. Well right now, why would you why would you fix something? That's not broken. That's for Enough was there we go. I just scrolled Lucas. Yes, call me. I was just asked out option. Shut up. We feel good about myself Fabian are favored Bundesliga of your yes. Would you prefer Alfonso Davies or Lucas Hernandez a left-back or tell us or David, Alaba or David Alaba. Give us give us give us who you would say. I know your problem if there's any other Bayern fans or Bundesliga fans, and we're just misses just but that wasn't the biggest news in the Bundesliga. What's up to go back lost Boucher Munchen glad back. They are still second in the Bundesliga. Just when they lost their lead to one lipstick Wolfsburg Maximilian Arnold. What is his name again? If this was in the Premier League, you would be going crazy over this guy can say I enjoyed it. It was it was like the canio the cono why I enjoyed it. All right. That's that's type of Ali I said good job. Mr. Mr. Arnold Hey Arnold. Okay. Okay relax, if there's just this gives a little pop culture references. You love to see it from the 90s. Nobody else is a huge win for for Wolfsburg. Huge drop of points for brochure won't be blocked by terrible for days. They yeah get eliminated from the Europa. Yep, because they somehow they bottle it against is stumbled the Sharks it was afraid of them anymore. And then they they lose their lead in the Bundesliga. Like we were I was saying, I don't know if it was last podcast or a few ones ago, but I was talking about like maybe in the second half of the season will glide back Trail off like they did in the previous season, but I say, I don't know what I said 100% Yes, because I said Ed Bayern Munich takes her spot We're not playing battle who gets a spot we're talking about Bruce emultion. Wi-Fi Munich. He is honestly just the best team in Germany hate to break it to you. But just all right mother not. Well, it's not be prisoner six goals. Yes, but lipsticks and first so technically if you're in first or the best, that's these rights Yes. Actually I feel like the first day of a season whoever's in first best team in the league at that time. They are thanks in hindsight. Yes. Let's go talk about every legs. I'm Let's not be prisoner moment. Maybe glop back can bring it back. We'll see you next week. I don't know. I think honestly if I'm sick of it, I think lipsticks going to win the league you do. I think if I just feel like they're going to win the league all their way. I've something to say about stats but Leipzig. Okay name, mr. Old man. Liam doesn't like stats. So have you heard of expected goals? Yes. Okay. Do you know what that is washer? Okay for the viewers, apparently it's like Like where? Okay. I don't know how to explain it is like the chance that are created what percentage of them are expected to be goals in this is that that I think that's amazing. I think there's more depth to it but genius sorry for messing that up but also Leipzig, they've been consistently throats many of their mattresses season under performing under expected goals are expected to score more goals than they actually have been. Okay, and they've already been winning a lot of matches. A lot of cool. Yeah, they do scroll. Although there are very offensive team. I mean Leipzig are very good. Yeah, I agree. Yes. They will be the biggest title Challengers to Bayern Munich this season, really I think so, I think I think what you lot back. We'll slip I don't think I can continue that. I think Leipzig are going to go the distance with Bayern Munich if they get Holland maybe more goals. Well, I think a lot of players that people literally sleeping on his ass stop it sir. Yeah. He's khimki midfielder for them. A lot of people are not paying attention to you or Vernors have a fantastic. He's been a star player routine going 15 games saboteurs been raving about Lewandowski and VAR D. And as have a team of earners brilliant two knuckles in effect. It was why somebody was actually thinking is Jamie vardy the best striker in Europe and then like by meaner, like who achieve already had a very good year. Yeah. We know he's not better than Robert. You can't Overlook what he's done up. Nice see Patrick scoring. He's had a rough few years. He gold yet, but Gold by Patrick should team / Nur and naughty mukul a mooc. Oh my God, I struggled so bad there. Mookie a lie. Hmm. He's a very good right back. I thoroughly under him. I didn't get to watch this match. I just saw the highlights. So that's all my opinions about it. I saw the Bayern match and I also saw Bruce the doorman getting a victory as well. Yes. It was a very good perform. So what's the table looking like right now? Let's talk about dormant here quickly. Yes, Norman smash do the dorf no mines. I mean mines for Nill to be fair. The goalkeeper could have done better on the second and third goal by Roy Central thorgan Hazard and Nico Schultz, but the three in the back experiment continuing to work for Dorman's not the worst. Give me a right kanji symbols and technically sorry but was I'll go do he you know, you were talking about his your love for Saga do this midweek. But mind a myth. Yeah often corner on that Minds had he just had a counter-attack just dribbled the ball up the entire field passes it to Jane Sandra who scores just like you love to see center backs to make a big run like that. It's you know and doorman have a do have a good side good squad. They ought to third. Now the question is that can they can they challenge for the title this season. Well, if we look at Jane and Sancho specifically eight goals eight assists and 13 matches at 1900 Wild. He's he did. Maybe he is the best teenager and then maybe I am wrong probably I'm very wrong. Like I mean and Bop could this be like em bought these levels good? Yeah, even better. I I think a lot of people just think of Mafia about had a World Cup in his they don't talk about Lee campaign. Yeah. Struggling the link on you know, 100% hundred percent. I know and Bobby did it in the Champions League as well. But I know that's yet to be seen from Jane Sancho but this is incredible but for a kid like this, yeah, it's like equals eight assists like he could potentially have 15 in both categories by the end of the year, which is unheard of for a guy this age. I don't think even Messi or Ronaldo did that at that age? No, not really. No. I'm not saying this guy's gonna be better. No, But statistically these guys are doing pretty well for a very young age photo for spine bones. Like it does go to schalke. They got a 1-0 victory over. I'm trying Frankfort. Nah hell of a lot of talk about this game, but it does mean that Bayern Munich are still not being for something talk about did you see that or heard in the red car was like a Ninja Kick? Apparently, he's seen since the 2006 World Cup. What's incident is he talking about? So yeah, pretty much. I'm gonna go home and search that I gotta be honest. It's yeah, yeah nubile just runs out and just the Bundesliga kicked pretty much the mobile. Yeah. That was that was Thomas More. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. So whether big result on the musica: two-nil victory over Barlow's accused. Oh, wow, that's huge. I was gonna record this match for God to and I won't be able to watch it. The young Bailey with a red card. Yes a little. Soft but you know whatever. It was a red card to Alexander. Did I go vich and Leon Bailey? Yeah both another red card. Yeah. Okay. That's beautiful. You love a good reputable of this match we have so this is excited to fight where one football and then Augsburg get a big 4-2 victory over hoffenheim. Which one awesome that's a big that's upsetting. It is upset. I mean, you know, everyone exceed four goals and you're at home. I mean, I made me regret not watching this match for to that sounds amazing scenes. Scenes of often time it is what type of Bundesliga just looking at the table to match these love for this first half of the season. It's still fairly fairly tight buying still six points off and still a lot of challenges ahead of them. Yeah still a lot of challenges close behind as well. Overall. I think doorman play the Leipzig next week. Am I ready to go? Yeah. They do. I'll be a good game that this Tuesday actually good game. So maybe there will be some Talk about on Wednesday. Yes, we may have a Wednesday special episode. We'll see what happens which might be upload Thursday or Wednesday night Spain or Italy we have to go to Spain. Yes fans been a little bit dramatic. Basically the big boys in twos, right? Yeah, Barcelona Barcelona got to to draw a trail. So now from what I've heard don't look at the headline as a screaming result that Barcelona was bad. I heard Barcelona did play pretty well in this match. It's just a no So say I was able to pass yet. Yeah, I like I like many matches I recorded but have you actually it's one of those things where people look at the headline or the score and like Barcelona played so bad. They play pretty well. It's just all see that I've been okay this see so so now I was a good challenge they were they were doing very well beginning or there are six now they're in the sixth they're sick, but they're higher than they had a good start to the year though. Yeah. They know I think they've been playing pretty well throughout this and some Some downs, but I think a plus side and look at this is messy wasn't on the scoresheet. That's are a man that that we've cited a lot is now on it Griezmann scored. He started performed a lot pretty much. He's doing better for Barcelona getting more used to the Barcelona Suarez Suarez. How impressed name? I don't know my Spanish good goal. It's Uruguayan York. Whatever man. Okay. I'm on culture. I get it. Whatever. There you go Real Madrid now. Well, no, we really talked about. Barcelona Liam. Yeah, Mama Luke, is you go. Yeah. What do you have to say about this game? There's a few things. I want to say still want to be three our podcasts Liam. You're not the one editing. It is like yeah, it's not like one said it was like don't look at the headline. Look at how the team played. But yeah, it's look at the the point. Yeah uses big technically. It's a missed opportunity a huge opportunity. You're also in a winning position and if you stayed in that winning position you would have been First place by yourself and let me mention later, but obviously there's been many times in the past where Barcelona go to the Ottawa to Stadium, which is real so she dad's ground and they don't get the result. There's been several times. This happened in the past five years. I believe who scored for sociedad or Oar has a ball and Alexander Isaac. Hmm. You remember him? I do remember him. Yeah former dormant player. Yeah, so it's going to be interesting especially with El Clásico. Oh coming up. Our classical is coming up December this Wednesday this Wednesday December wherever the 18th. I think that is going to be huge because like I said Real Madrid get a 1-1 draw with Valencia a late late goal by Karim Benzema the 95th minute rescues it for them people Court will nearly scored he did but it means that La Liga is tied on top 35 points a piece. Yeah, our classical is huge. This isn't one of the biggest art class goes in a couple of years. I remember that's like being so tight on the table like this watch it be nil. Nil. I'm y'all outside is me which me bloodbath the recent classical's having pretty good. You know Jonas I'm excited for this tree till now I didn't get to watch Real Madrid vs alliances. So I don't know if they were unlucky or if they could have done better. So apologies for that. But yeah, we might be watching this match. Yeah, we have a better idea for Wednesday. They said we're going to upload we're gonna film a actual podcast similar to this style. But we're also going to try to do a live reaction viewing of El Clasico. We're going to try and watch it, you know, give our thoughts mode talked about it during the game. So let us know how you think about that idea. We might be streaming live on Instagram and Tick-Tock that kind of thing. So YouTube might be a little hard. So if you are not followed or subscribed on those platforms, Forms, make sure you are so you can watch us you can see that happen, but we might record like and poster reactions to it afterwards. How does that so make sure you are subscribed on all social media platforms, but to continue with La Liga Atletico Madrid. You think they scored a couple goals? I played I think they played by iron in recent weeks against osasuna. Yeah, but they still they still create a lot of chances y'all feel. It's starting to get better and better and you're seeing some incredible things from him some great dribbling some he's a good player they overspent for him, but actually but nearly nearly scored an incredible. Keeper, but the Osuna keep your made a great save that keeper was just yeah making so many saves throughout the match. Several chances for a falcon Madrid to really take the lead. It really does show that they're they're not that clinical in front of goal. But rot, it does score. We're at to that she had an okay season this year. You got to give him credit where credit's due and I have six goals this season not the worst it could be better than a percent. But also you guys like Thomas fantastic player like Manchester City bought rodri off them and people thought hmm. How are they going to really adjust? DX Renown, he's done a great job transitioning this team. They may end up and getting the results recently, but they've been definitely changed their style a little bit and have started to become more of a team that creates more chances while still being solid in the back if you look at the La Liga table though, it is not a liquid and third it is Sevilla. So if you had they do get a while they don't you don't get that you lose 2-1 against VIA Rail very poor. Performance from them. Well, did you watch the match? You know, so then you can't really say that they lost 2-1 at home. No that's on paper is a bad result. But you know, sometimes it's a smash-and-grab but I didn't watch the match either. They had 72 percent possession. Mmm. They had 24 Shots. They were bad. I mean you can't really say that I'm just saying that you can say they had a disappointing result and that is a fact they had a disappointing result. And that is a fact guitar Fay. They are fourth Gaddafi. Go to nil victory over real Valladolid 90th minute favorite team. Oh, yeah, we watched them play in this summer. I'm not going to talk much about that because none of us watch I'm not gonna talk about these games that none of us watched Lucas which was to give our insight. You're the one bringing it up. I'm just going on the table really quick. But you want my old fool us. Yes, Italy what happened? Italy happened was it looks like a bunch of drawers happen in Italy? It's Georgina drood Inter Milan won one. Yeah surprise melange is a big deal in our crap. I'm not surprised. It's area. It sounds like an average weekend. This is shocking results. Yes, you don't see this in the Premier League. Well you sometimes do bats. I said sometimes aren't you know 13th? Crap, you have there been considering sacking their manager recently very surprised with how interns doing the snow. So you get a nice cushion in the top. They start slipping. I mean to be fair to them that goal is kind of wild that you're in Tina scored a crime to them. I mean like it was shot on an ink and I said I called Leah myself first place. I think Liam is calling something right now. You should pay attention to him. You see you never pay attention to him into could honestly just right now slipping. Venters could take it. Sorry you had it you lost it. That's what he's been saying for years about event instead. He sounds he got a point all wrong. This is what happens. He's got Italian blood in him. And yet he hates the league. Yeah, I mean it's not a is the most a good leader is a good not only said no not the most exciting. It's also a very racist lie to so that exciting stuff is not a fair argument in my opinion unless if you watch consistency real matches not just your average. Why don't find city. I'm sorry. I was watching the nappy match for little I got bored in like five minutes. Yes was not exciting. Yes. I find what I felt more excitement the Sheffield game. Yes, I represent. I'm using this for years a mid-table party. These battles that are than a you re-enter game hundred percent because top top matches a lot of time are more tactical battles. Of course, there's been many occasions in the Premier League where Todd magic Is Happening Here pull Manchester City. Yes, if you enjoy tactics, then you will very much. Enjoy Syria. Have you seen have you seen Manchester United vs. Liverpool several times this past decade? Yes. Some of them very exciting games are two half empty City Ops half. The teams are empty. I'm talking about what? Is happening on the field ads yesterday equation, you know, every syllable has been quite let's get back on track. There was back on track. The goal was scored by not. Do you think it was it was Valero an inter did score time we come to nil? Minute to get the point for Fiorentina from your dentist. They do run off 3-1 over udinese the big man Christiano gets to you'll have to see it. What's happening Napoli was to add the part. You're trying to watch this match their crap. Let's go to the Winner's gervinho. He's back at it. This tells me how bad Jenny I'll oh man if you notice something. Yeah, but I can't use meeting score for those good. The polls are doing something for them his good points. You should love Syria. There's so many polish. But yeah, they should all go to the Premier League. Be wrong. Yes. Why because not every player is going to go to the Premier League. He also lost Adelanto Hast. I'm still feel so guilty making fun of this Lake because it's not shit, but it's just not fun to tell you see why they drink you're watching the wrong matches. Maybe I am maybe you should watch cagliari versus lots to tomorrow. I bet that will be a good watched Hellas Verona versus 39. I bet that would be very exciting match. But you also brighten plane tomorrow. It's also very excited for Cochlear is doing pretty good. I would watch Brighton over that any day over Latios and third I watched lots of they're not great because they don't they probably don't play their best against self. But to be fair Verona Torino seems like very excited and it's really making me did not make out of Europa League group. Yeah, because see magic of the Season Verona three, no three this anyways. Yeah Juventus butan AC3 once Cristiano Ronaldo with a brace. Well as he's going again. Yes. It feels like teenagers. Yes. They click I said inter is still on top quagle areas good score more than to see you again. Whoo! Krag alert Kragle area when he was single. I've heard x mark Meyer. We have fallen off the wagon. What happens when you go to Italy man? I'm sorry. I have to talk about your loss of water. Skip it but I was told. Differential on inter but you know the sign of things to come through Milan and then they'll know because intra host General next week shots for and that's not that's not an easy game against Genoa. They've been okay General. Yeah. Jenna was they've sector map. That's what januar 19th. They've been okayed this season Lukas Haas results results to cease to I will find it because I remember talking about weeks ago this man over 90 guess What so what which city is also has a true they do Napoli Soul has been a lot of teams this season. It's yeah now that is one draws everyone a police dropped 11 Mac make a result against Juventus. Yes. It was a good result for them leaving powder born Thiago Motta store manager. It was fantastic like two years ago. They played for PSG what the hell happened man. He became a manager I fast. Yes. Smoking using the pews like a PSG youth coach and that now he go good luck to him. I don't care about Thiago Motta. The best game. Next week is Atalanta host only see Milan. That's the best game of next week. I think all wrong. Okay, sometimes it did. You see my baby. No, I don't want to do this time. I'm broke a record what he is the youngest player in league on to score 70 goals. Is that surprising to you? It's not but he he is 20 years old oppressive and the man that he overtook was Bernard Lacombe. He was 22 of this is stood since 1975. That's a pretty big record. Yeah to me firm. But then again a lot of shit bow, don't shit talk me because I toggle them Buffet the men's bright spot in an Arab League all if she saw last week, yeah, but but I don't know a lot of French players leave early because it's France. All because France just doesn't have the money in their league compared to other leaks around the world. And yeah, that's pretty much it. Yeah PSG they went for an ill over Santana that's legal and done. There's not much else to talk about me and Leon lost. Okay, but yeah, I didn't I don't really pay attention to Leon as much like last year. I think that sums it up. Oh, this has been an exciting pockets. Nothing else to talk about. Do you want to talk about this decade topic or leave it? I say leave it. Okay, I'll be another episode. But anyways, I'll be out look for tomorrow the will today I guess when you're blossoming the Champions League was being yeah shame he draws on Monday. We are filming a Sunday night. It will be out by Monday morning. But yeah after that there'll be some I'm sure they'll be a few tasty fixture. Yeah, I'm going up here. I'm gonna bet money, right? Now number I'm actually not going to bet money. So ago I did a bit of money right unless if you're sponsored. Yeah through anyways Real Madrid Bayern Munich play each other. Liverpool have PSG We can't play PSG that you're not gonna die. Yes, you both top of your group. Sorry. Nevermind. Okay. Anyways, I hope you enjoy this while episode of the 90th minute it got a little bit started. Okay, then it went like cotusal sometimes good stuff dumb shit, you know, we made we try to be analytical more than anything. We're entertainment. We're just giving our opinions. Basically we're fans of the game after Bundesliga goes downhill, basically. Yeah for whatever reason we have a passion for the Bundesliga and then La Liga happens, right? Okay, then cereal happens really shit. Yeah the league on ding. Yeah. We'll try to do better next time. If you are still watching a let's say we greatly appreciate it. Make sure you are subscribe. Like I said hit that Bell notification on YouTube hit like comment down below get involved in the conversation if you are on Spotify or any of the other what's your issue? I'm just going what did I say? Nothing what I say? What I say, why are you going? Why are you why are you some sugar? And I don't know man. I got to have focus on a podcast. Yeah, man. Okay, if you're on any of the Spotify or you know, what's it called streaming app, sorry podcast podcast apps. Make sure you give us a follow and a oh my God, you probably saw off your gives a fall and a rating. There we go. 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Everybody. Thanks so much for listening to the fan the bike podcast. Just a little worried about our sponsors. Anchor the easiest place. You can go ahead and go to to make a podcast. I chose it because it's completely free and also some great tools that are available on your phone tablet or computer record and edit your podcast anywhere also distribute your podcast to all of the major Distributors like Spotify Apple podcast, and you can make money from your podcast with no minimum listenership Again download the free anchor aIt anchored on FM to get started. Hey everybody. Welcome to the fandom fight podcast. We are back after a very very long break on my behalf. I'm so thank you for your patience with us. I hope you enjoyed the episodes with this discontented winter. Yeah, and let's go ahead and welcome back our permanent co-host sticky keys. Hi, and I'm so what are we talking about today sticky? Because I know there's been like a lot of drama. No, you wanted to bring up something before we continue on to pews latest dramatic. And so yeah, this was kind of an emergency thing just because Pew did some nonsense and I was like, we need to we need to talk about this here. Yeah a hot mess. But oh so a couple of things first off. I got a wonderful Nani in the inbox yikes. Hold on and they said Said and it was funny because Philip was like I don't like those posts, but I was like, I don't necessarily like them as post but I do like them as a podcast and I think it would be fun to do. Oh it says, you know, I don't really like an episode of BHD just about how you guys would have made different creative decisions. If you were in control of Teen Wolf like a Teen Wolf rewrite cast or something. I really miss your podcast, by the way. Thanks. You guys will be coming back very soon, but I like that idea. We just taking maybe kind of like one thing per season that we would have changed and how we would have liked how we think it would have made kind of the difference and I think that could be a lot of fun. So and of course our opinions will be our own. But yeah, I think it would bring like either cold Jocelyn or Lisa for that. Yeah that too that'd be fine. So yeah, we have a lot of good opportunity one. But like just across the board. I think I've said this before but what would have been interesting is if the Teen Wolf had actually been a girl. Mmm a day the hunter was the guy. So Allison would have been a guy Scott would have been a girl and Derek would have been girl and then they could have really played up that love triangle there the love triangle between the werewolf relationship and the hunter relationship and then maybe the human release cute the human relationship could have been like Styles would have still been a guy and so you have the human who's into you you have the werewolf was into you and you have a hunter who's into you that would have been like a cool. Like, what is it? It's the lowest on it. Look at the gun. It's like a quadrant with like four sides by drangle. Yeah quad but yeah, like I mean, I think that would have been interesting because Teen Wolf we already knew it as a guy's story. We had big Wolf on Campus was right a guy's story. That would have been a nice Twist on it because I mean I know back then there weren't going to do a slash I mean a gay show. So I mean that could have been a good way to get a handle on it. That would have been very interesting to I think my season one remake what honestly it's just revealing Jackson as Peterson. That might be season 2 and really Plinko how I would have changed things after Jackson left instead of what they did Neville lots of ideas about that. I mean, they just should have never lost Colton to in the first place. Well, hey, but well, but then the problem is they definitely Should have and he was ready to go and need it to be out of that environment which sucks but in general. But was that what that was do you think I think it was? I honestly think yeah, that's that's another podcast. That's a podcast. We got to have Terrence a mic for because they got some thoughts about that too. That's going to be a real messy one. He's robbing be like hi. Welcome to fandom fight. This is I guessed a b and c right? I'm like, it's gonna be great. Because sorry we all have real jobs. Now. We can't afford to talk shit like this. Anyone can suck a dick my God. Am I not animus? So, oh I would have brought in Theo a lot earlier. Oh, yes. Well, like I would have made the Theo thing a see what a brother Geo in a lot earlier, but I would have kept the timeline at that time so that there's a change because Has he needed to have more of a trust and a rapport with Scott first got to just blow off everybody for him God. That would have been me imagine if all of season four was just Theo undercover, but we didn't really know what he was doing. Can you imagine exactly that would have been so good until the middle of season 5 and then I was like, oh shit exactly because even like when Jennifer came on a lot of people are like, oh no I saw her up there trying to be nice and smiley. I Automatically she was evil but I'm like you give us Theo and for an entire season he is part of the pack and then he's like I got you. Yes, because Theo is such a missed opportunity. Especially I didn't even watch season 6, but I know that they did him just ridiculous who said it that Theo is everything Malia should have been I think about coal right? Probably and me. It's so true because That was like probably what would have saved Malia as the character if they had done that and he should have been Jackson's son. Honestly, if we're doing this, you know what I'm not Jefferson award. He should have been but guess I would have worked so well and oh wait, I can't give that away and everybody look. anyhow Give it away. Ha ha ha well, so I also had this other a non on my thing. That was given me a lot not a lot of group of they're like, well, I had Glen the reason he took Superman basically is what they were trying to say is because he you know, he's never gonna get shipped with a slash ship with Superman. It's never going to be mainstream or part of the national conscious of him having us Last Ship, but I'm like hey, West Eric, I mean like I guess it was but I mean to this extent like it's such a weird thing to say it's was it that traumatic for him, right? Exactly. It's kind of like no, I mean, it feels kind of like it was like, I hate it because saying that because I love Hoechlin mmm, um, I think it's uncomfortable and whether it's uncomfortable because he's straight and it's just kind of weird to explain that to like family and friends. I wore because he's gay And he's like cod they can tell exactly either or but I don't nobody's going to turn down Superman, right? Exactly. But oh Superman you have a penis never mind. Thankfully. I don't think that played into it all people already do ship. Yeah Superman with James and James with Lexington when the first one him and when they should that like crazy. Someone in a profession was a speed with the flash Barry The Flash and Batman and like I mean probably over ships Galore that like it might not be the biggest, you know, it might not be as big as steric or whatever it is. But just because I Tyler Hoechlin since version of Superman hasn't gotten there yet exactly but it will ask is my what's this new season, especially because we do know it's going to be very lowest centered and he's going to be kind of taken that Background anyway, it's so it's like, okay. Well submissive plus Tyler Hoechlin. Yeah, it's going to be a GAF. What's Clark doing all those times? He's just off and away but you know, that sterics are going to start constructing a - Wayne. Yeah files identity and it's going to be Batman and Superman all day long how they already have my terminal. Yeah. Yes, Spider-Man. They already have the chips ready. Exactly. And then the name Louis line is everything and even Jimmy. Sometimes they'll just cast him as Jimmy and I'll be Styles. Oh my God. I can't I'm waiting and I'm here in case to come up with that with that pissed off post like how dare you replace all and of color. There's already one to satisfy your ship. Oh Jim, it won't because He's not even a man of color in in that verse he is but like in the books, so it's like he could be whatever you want them to be which is the point but AI are you erase? What's his name mxc? What's that guy's name eggy, what eggs actor my cat? Mehcad Brooks? Yeah. Yes. I love him eggs. He's known as eggy. So I just don't say to hear ya. I didn't even realize he was Jimmy for a long time until teller had closed like my brother like oh Tyler. Oh, wait. What is this? I heard in the somewhere that think what doesn't follow Tyler Hoechlin. He's got it. Or peanuts or two. What do you think? He just follows is private one. It doesn't follow his public one. I think that if sink would doesn't follow Hoechlin then it's because he knows Hoechlin never post and if Hoechlin has something going on Hoechlin. We'll just text him. It's like this social media life ain't for you, homie, but let's check it out. He saw that one post for that camp that hiepro may seem like absolutely look if your Instagram is going to be full of this. Unfollow, she's like no, thank you. Okay, here we go. Where is he in the now this is what you do when you hear rumors verify is you go to the source and you verify them and it is not that hard to do and yet some people single follows 21 people. That is nuts. Wow, I know. Okay. Let's see. Okay, so if he only follows 21 people that I'm not worried about it. Yeah, that might be what it is. But tank that is that some really streamlined following right there, but I don't even show that Tyler Hoechlin follows him, but we know it will either we know he does because he comments constantly or he just picks a day and he's like, I'm going to follow sink. Whoa, I'm gonna sit with think was up to Who are these? Oh my God, I fell asean. That is a wild set of people y'all. Okay, I mean got speed so maybe sink was just like, oh I know if heck was ever going to post Ian's going to post about it first. Exactly. Yeah again 2 and 1/2 and what messy Good Times Alright, so you want to get into this Pew nonsense? I think I have the post up he how did you even find the comment on this fing 90? Good night, Aunty. Okay. Yep. So the good nany went ahead and sent us some information as we went to go look and it was a link to a comment thread on an AO three thick and the stick is just like it's like 200 and some words. It's Me about Scott. It seems like someone had a cute idea and they just went with it or like I need to capture this and it kind of is kind of complete all on its own. It's like a slice of life. It's just like a little kind of introspective kind of Peace where you're just kind of seeing what he's going through at this very particular moment. And it's Cannon, you know Divergence with like a rewrite of Cannon kind of merged and simplified and Pew decides to write an alternate ending to the thick with as very sorry. Our cast accrued comment about how relationships aren't contracts and blah blah blah blah. We want to read the comment or do we want to leave it vague? I almost I mean I was like we could almost read the Fick but okay very quick. It's kind of recap. So Styles has gone missing and Scott remembers telling Styles. Goodbye said he's been quiet for a long time, but Scott never ask. Because yet bigger worries going on specifically like getting Allison's dad. So like him avoiding Derek working at dedans Etc. So basically he just lost track of styles. He thought Styles would be fine. Usually he was but now he was gone. He was vanished Without a Trace Scott went to go gather the pack after its share filed a missing persons report, but the pack was gone to and now in this pack. She's lists, Erica Boyd Isaac Jackson Lydia, Peter and Derek. Eric and all of them have vanished as well. So then Scott is sitting in the Loft and trying to figure out what it means and he realizes he's an Omega now and without having a pack, you know, the Lone Wolf dies, but the pack survives it cetera the end. That's it Prince escalus words goes into the comments and he puts and then Scott remembered that he'd met new friends in a new pack with Kira. Our Cinema Leo Liam Hayden Mason Corey and Alec and his mother and they all went out for ice cream because Scott remembered that friendships are not contracts and that his Alpha power came from him and no one else and if people don't treat him, right he can go out and find new friends the end what did shirk like this thick didn't end with like and what do you think happens next? Like it's like you either like it or you did. Didn't like I and if you did it, you know the rule in fandom is this you just don't say shit. Mmm. Well, honestly, yeah, like the only time in fact the only times I've had occasion to comment and not an mostly positive way is if there is something that needed to be tagged or if there is something that is just like egregious like I was reading one thick of the n-word was in it and I was like, hey guys Love your fake and even then I was very complimentary. That was like what what what purpose does this serve because it seems kind of out of place. He was like, oh my God, that's my autocorrect. I'm so sorry and when it changed it, I don't know. Yeah. Yeah, he was a teenager I believe so no, I don't know what he was trying to write. That's the hilarious or was it and these are who know? I know it had nothing to do with any of that. It was just like slap bad in the middle and I was like, whoo. Whoa, okay. Why does your Autocorrect have the proper form of that word so funny and so like I understand stuff like that. Now I've also been on the receiving end of comments where I had one guy coming and he was like, oh, I just don't like this and you know, I'm going to give it a little bit more then like a few chapters later. He was like nopes didn't get any better. It's I replied that I replied and I was like, okay, so is there something that I can do to make this better or just Overall, you don't like it and seems just like overall. I don't like it. I was like, okay. Well, this one's not for you. Feel free to move on, you know, but I'm not going to deconstruct this entire fig based on your random, you know, just like and sound like if unless there's something really light more, you know, like morally objectionable, you know, if I'm like kill all the gays then you can say something but if you see and I've said this before or I'm from the older times like fanfiction.net livejournal where the comments were a lot more constructive criticism right where it was always looking for an opportunity where an author could build up whether it was an interesting side plot that they may not have considered in this one story that they may want to consider for others or, you know, always kind of something like that in on fanfiction.net. The comments used to be called reviews right just like book review. They can be whatever the hell that story provoked that of you. Hmm, and that that makes sense. It is what it is. There's a difference between tearing apart our work and tearing apart the author there is a difference but that changed after what it was is strikethrough and all that stuff like that. It got a little bit more like Can be just around the same time. I don't think they're related. But like I think people started realizing like okay, you just need to leave positive positivity on Fick build it up because you don't know what age someone is you don't know if this is their first fake or not or their first time with this ship or whatever it is and it's counterproductive to having a lot of fan work if we're just tearing each other to Pieces. Honestly, I think what happened is more and more people started writing and then started receiving. Thing that feedback and they're like, oh maybe I could have presented this in a better way. Now. What I will say is the problem again with peace comment is not just the comment but the fact that he loves to throw out. Oh, you guys haven't watched the show maybe try re watching the show blah, but I'm like you clearly didn't read this fish because if you have know that Curative his reading comprehension is so bad for like a under 300 word factly. What was it for the entire series of people means that he was mad going into it, but I'm like that's not this person's fault. And I said you have no idea what Scott's growth was going to be where it was going to go where it come from. So you just ran this girl over the rails and then mention like caramelly Olli I'm Hayden Mason Corey and Alec none of who were even existed in this point of where this Vic was set. And some just like he named who the pack was there wasn't anyone outside of that dude. He even named Alec who we don't even know whether or not he was in the pack or not. And for those of you who don't remember who Alec is you shouldn't because he was only in the last episode of Teen Wolf and he was the one that heck Posey was telling the story of Teen Wolf too in the last episode. So I'm like we have no idea because you know, when you're being saved from Hunters who want to kill you what you want to hear. Somebody else's sob story over the course of Three years. And so yeah, it's just it's very infuriating. Especially he says that oh Scott remembers that friendships are not contracts and his Alpha power came from him and no one else but that's not true. His Alpha came from his personality which was shaped by of course his parents but also by his friends and the people that he surrounds himself with and yes, he does have kind of like an innate compassion. But it takes more than that. I mean Scott only became who the show says he is the support of people like Styles the sheriff Melissa Allison and then everyone else around him exactly. Like he really didn't do it on his own because given his own druthers. He wouldn't have done it at all. He was trying to find a way to get a cure because he just where to hide he wanted to play lacrosse he with Allison and just ignore the fact that he could turn into a werewolf, which makes sense. He's a teenage boy. He's a Teenage Human boy at that point. That's what he wanted to do. So it's like, of course sense until the point you find out that someone's coming to kill you and I'm like, yeah, then it's just denial and it's delusion which ridiculous and the thing is that you find out that someone's coming to use him to kill a bunch of people like what the second episode. Right. Yeah, he doesn't have a very long learning curve, but he takes it at a hundred miles an hour. It's just and I think the problem was that Tyler Posey didn't have the skill to project that kind of nuance that you needed to show that bit of selfishness at odds with what you know, I kind of blame it if that is the responsible thing. I kind of blame it twofold though because I think while he didn't have that skill. Gil I think that that could have been used to his Advantage I think that's around the time that the show tried to start getting high brow and then they just gave him way too much and it's like these are emotions that you didn't hire him to evoke these emotions. You didn't hire him to be this kind of person you hired him to be the sweet innocent puppy that gets like corrupted not the you know, all knowing all being omnipotent. True Alpha. Oh no, like I mean like I'm not talking about season 1 season 2 Like that should those two feelings should have been at odds with each other the feeling of okay. I just want my old life and I just want to you know be a kid and God, you know, I'm the only I'm one of the few people who has the power to do something about it and that makes it my responsibility and those things should have been at odds with each other throughout the seat for throughout the seasons and it really wasn't it was like you could tell once he's like, oh, I'm supposed to want to save everyone in this scene. Oh, I'm just concerned about Allison in this scene. He didn't know how to merge the two there was still in did with Styles without Direction exact. Well, he didn't know how to prioritize and the thing was that we rarely saw if he loves to try and paint Styles as being selfish but a lot of styles actions always are about other people. They're never about Styles never has a point where he's like, I just want to be left alone. I don't want to do this anymore. He Always is kind of in the business now whether or not that's for his own self validation. That's one thing but we see time and time again. He is very altruistic. Yeah, I mean Styles didn't have that moment. He had it a little bit during magic bullet, but that was more like a facade right of like I don't care if Eric died no real time that he had. It was season 2 after he gets beat up by Gerard and he wants to make right that's called exactly up. Upset and he's hurt and he's vulnerable. That's a moment. He has it and he um, he continues to have that moment with Lydia until he's like what the hell am I doing? And he's like, come on. Let's go right and there's a progression of growth. That's a progression growth. Yes, you could tell that in those moments were Styles as being selfish. He knew he was being selfish. Mmm and you could feel the war inside of him. But if you look at the script itself, it's not really there. Right, if you're if you're an intelligent person, you know will obviously, you know, human emotions aren't singular well and so that's kind of the other part of this because he says oh friendships are on a contract but they're also not homogeneous. We know in Canon the Scott Stiles relationship is one of the most important on the show now, whether however people feel about Scott regardless the cannon has is supposed to be putting through that. Is one of the most important things so Scott's relationship of Liam is not going to be the same Scott's relationship with Mason is not going to be the same as thousands got it doesn't hold the same amount of weight, which we know because they hate it so much. They want to try to paint Styles as a complete villain and they put so much important on Styles as being the negative influence in that relationship where it's like well no that's not supported by can regardless of how you twist every single scene now that said there are different reads two scenes because I remember I told I think I've said this before that I've watched the show and halfway through I got a different read on their friendship now the show that wasn't intended but it's what happened, you know, and then of course season 5 comes and then they just blow everything out of the water and I think that's why for some people it was so abrupt because We had what was supposed to be a stable relationship that got dealt a way for a plot line. That wasn't very good in the first place. I think was is that for me? I never interpreted. The in the relationship is very stable to begin with. I mean, we have the Lydia kiss and the first scene while Styles me don't have ownership of her. He Scott new house tiles felt about so rude. I was it was it was unimportant to him. It's not like he actually like, oh, I want to be with Lydia. Like, you know, it was just like I want to do what I want at and at the expense of anyone else as a side note. I hate when people so when Malia and Scott were trying to start dating and are like, oh Styles going to be. Okay and Jeff was like, oh we don't do this. You don't date the pack nonsense. We don't do that, but I'm like no you don't do that. And there's a specific reason why you should not date crazy in your friend group because it's not going Dear friend group for very much longer when it comes to relationships. I mean, it's just a natural human reaction to those things. You can be as logical as you want. I think this is the first time where it really showed that Jeff has a writer was gay because he had these people like messing around with in the friend group. And yeah see he's not get away with that stuff right and straight groups of friends in gay groups of friends. It kind of happens a lot more than you would think it does but it's very awkward and he didn't agree. It is very awkward with strikes me that Jeff is the type of person to date his friends exes and not his friends that his ex has exactly one hundred percent. That's hilarious. Do you want to talk about the way Pew sees a relationship? You said? It's pretty stream like a fine line like it's just in steady the most Most passionate meaningful relationships that I've ever had have been the most dynamic relationships in my life as well where we have really high highs and sometimes we get close. Yeah, and there's a difference between the toxic relationship where it's like you never know where you're going what you're getting exactly either the highest peak or the lowest Valley but real relationships, you know, it's going to be up and down will you take turns draining and Feeding each other and so there comes a point where your energies it has to do with the give and take of your energy. And if they're taking too much that's on its toxic. Yeah, and I said this is someone earlier I was like look some of the cruelest meanest things I've ever said to anybody have pretty much been to the people I care about and love the most because they're the only people who can hurt you the most right? Yeah the get you to that point and it's not something I'm proud of but it's just the reality of most people's relationships. And very few people are lucky to have that best friend who's just perfect throughout the whole life, right and no one does now that is one thing. I am very careful about in terms of like saying things because like I am the opcom pleat opposites like I will cut out a stranger but I will never you know, do my best friend just because I'm like, oh, I know I would be super her if they ever said that to me but I understand, you know kind of the flip side of that. Yeah. I mean like for me, it's just I would I would only let a friend Drive me to a point to that point that point because I would never let a stranger get that close. Right and that's as going to say is that it's just a difference in the way that you relate to each other and that's part of what that friendship is figuring out how you relate to each other and that's going to come with its blips. You know what I mean, but like regardless of what we've seen Stiles and Scott go through they consistently remain loyal to each other and When we have the progression does he though of does who to who the Scott really remain loyal to Styles? Because I think if we really look at it, he kind of disappeared disappears whenever he doesn't need anything and then he needs styles again. It's like oh my God, I just feel like Scott. The only reason why Scott didn't have to go searching for Styles was because Styles never went anywhere, but I feel like Stiles had to look for. Scott quite a bit but even when styles did leave it was styles that came back Scott didn't call him to get him back and I thought that was very interesting. I think what the aunties do especially is that because Scott is the true Alpha they expect everyone to kind of cater to him and to kind of anticipate those needs. So of course Styles always shows up for Scott and why would Scott have to show up for Styles? He has so much else going on you. Not the worst expectation to have like when your characters the main character right just like when steric is the main character in a pic. I expect that every other character is simply just exist to further further the main character story. Now, if you write your main character correctly, then they never really get put on the spot for doing the worst things because why would you try to make your reader or viewer dislike? Your main character hmm, you know what? I mean? Like like you would you would never make your main character be worse than the village. It depends on kind of how you define that though and I think that's the air that a lot of people get into especially with people who write Scott Centric thick and it's all about hating Styles. It's like what what are you getting from this you know, like this isn't a fake about Scott. This is a fake about how terrible Styles is. Which is fine, if you weren't the same person who was dictating what everybody else. All right, exactly 1,000% but I think it's funny that they think that there's all this horrible anti-squat fake when most steric Vic has nothing to do with Scott. Yeah, and that's why I'm like it's very rare. Honestly to find true Aunt he's got thick the and a lot of times it's labeled, you know, like with in Paris. It's wonderful when you find it but like it's once in a blue moon that is funny. I enjoy some of it. I have to be in a particular mood, especially because and I'm guilty of this too. A lot of sterics are like, oh Scott's the best got so cute. Did it ahead and styles are best friends. Yeah, you gotta and then you get to that point where star Scott starts getting on your nerves your just like I need to read something that throws him through the ringer. I will say there I shouldn't do this, but I know I am going to in some form, but there was mention of Trumps 3 expectations for Latinos or something like that. Oh my God, I thought that's Chris Pratt to I don't know what they are. I don't know what they are. But I want to find out and I'm going to write that thick. I'm sure it's rapists drug dealers and And what was the other one murderers, you know, what's up? Well, you know what it was very and he ran for president. He called Alma, you know the mix they're not sending their best. They're sending though. They're sending their words. They're sending them like their immigration rapists drug dealers. Yeah, I swear to God that man is a puss. But which one Trump repeal or both both? I will say the the look. Dario one cracks me up the most because he's like they insist they insist God is not obsessed with Allison because if he were his sexuality is racist giving Scott sexuality is racist is basically what they're saying and it's like he's a teenage boy, of course, he's obsessed with girls. That's the entire point and he's obsessed with Allison. Like that's not even the Latino stereotype for men look like Stereotype the Latino stereotype for us is that we are dark and like exotic and we're appealing to multiple people at once and that were like highly flirtatious and very smooth. Well even just being like ladies man, which Scott is not to Allison. He's like completely devoted tears. So I'm just like, what are we talking about? But he's not the yeah. It's like the ladies man. It's a very much. He's more Ladies Man kind of stereotype. Which is the antithesis of what Scott is or what any steric has ever presented him as well. And again, that's and you made a good point. The other day were in I think I've even said this before it's like show me the comment. Show me the thick show me the anything where someone has criticized Scott for being Latino and don't give me this. I mean no, I've never not even the thick just a person on a brand impose. On Tumblr or Twitter. I've never seen anyone call him a beaner. I've never seen anyone call him aspic. I've never seen anybody. I talked about how dirty his skin looks or how dark he is or wouldn't why doesn't he just stay out of the sun more? He would look so great or like all right, you know if you just want some color contacts or you know, like none of that I maybe if he would just straight in his hair more often because you know, the curls are really a bad. It's real frizzy its role. It's too much like you never get Any of that those are the things that we get never any jokes about how Melissa is really a made instead of a nurse right? No jokes about how not even before we even knew where Rafael was. Oh like he's a deadbeat dad or right no jokes about how his dad's been, you know deported back to wherever none of that you get. None of those things from people who hate Scott and that's not just from people in general in general and so them, They try to do is the systemic net mess, but I'm like systemic. They they got to stop saying that without having any basis of reality to support it because the issue with again with systemic is that as soon as you know, you can prove systemic what as soon as you know, the person's race. It's not systemic anymore. It's blatant because you know that that's what you're doing. And so to be like, oh the color brown on someone's skin makes you automatically a mom a race. Racist monster like no. That's not a that's not how systemic racism works. But it's also just not how racism works there are too many variables that they are not taking into consideration when trying to apply that POC lead actors don't receive the same amount of positive attention that white actors receive one. There's such a small number of teen lead Latino shows. you to really make any kind of comparison and release eventine shows with POC leads, but then we have the other idea of that colorism is a bigger deal in that regard because the way that someone because if we're talking about systemic racism the way someone view Scott versus the way they view Boyd are two different experiences because where I haven't seen racist comments about Scott I have seen races Comments about didin and about boy to us very much smaller extent. But of course he was dating Erica what you know kind of goes in the past whatever I have it for me the only racism I really see with Boyd is the aversion to really including him very much right as compared to I'm Jackson. Yeah, so he's either like this really scary imposing figure or he's this teddy bear. He doesn't get a lot of depth, right? And so I know that that's part of it and I think a part of that is people don't know how to write him. And so they don't know how to they don't know how to flush that character out. And so you really do see a lot of people of color. They're the ones or people who are like more invested in that kind of thing and have taken time to really kind of get into it. They're the ones who are kind of writing boy. The issue is Scott. Is that a if you didn't know that he was Tina to begin with then you write him just kind of as a generic white boy and your because I mean Tyler Posey both of his name's are very like white sounding exactly and a lot of people didn't know Garcia at that point, you know at all because you dropped it. Well exactly and so additionally if you're looking at Tyler Posey, you're like, oh, you know, I'm just going to write you kind of as this white boy once you do. Do know then you have more people that have started adding those elements. They have this huge post about. Oh, I'm so oh that's where the three Latino things came in at because he's like, oh, I'm so glad that sterics don't rights put Scott as Latino, but I'm like a lot of them do and they will have actual references to him being Latina. Even if he doesn't speak Spanish, even if he, you know doesn't embody whatever kind of stereotypes people think of they still mention that he is Latino. Elder at least you know half and so it's like what are you going to do? They mention an applet that they mention something at the or something like that Anita's enchiladas. What I'm surprised with is how little the Scott stands explore this Mexican culture. Yeah, they really don't or if they do discussed Ansel. Well, the funny thing though is Scott's yeah. Is love sticking to Cannon and so we're get exactly go ahead say there is nothing Canon about Mexican Scott exactly. There was not one reference other than the Delgado name drop and the oh, I'm going out for Mexican and Isaac saying, I like Mexican one thing that Pew did say that I actually agreed with and I said this at the time said to make no sense that he went to Mexico twice and became a Berserker and I'm like even if that was a ploy about him being biracial tell me you need to tell that that's not a show not tell kind of thing. You need to bring this together. I don't specifically know whether or not that area of Mexico has German influences Adam settlers. No Germanic are Berserkers had nothing to do with no because there are parts of, Texas. That have large concentrations of Germans German settlers. I'll down back we'll prep and down from the time but that's America from the from the time that it used to be Mexico. So some of our some of our cultures have become synchronized with other European cultures. Not just the Spanish culture, but also the other European cultures like there's a small there's a section of Mexico that has a huge Irish. Irish settlers population and so some of their Customs have merged I'm going to disagree because that was never even remotely approached there. Even if it didn't show that I'm just that saying it's not impossible. They just handled it poorly. But that's I think that's giving them way too much. I refuse to believe that they did and I think Jeff had a Berserker and was like, I want a beserker. And Mexico is feasible more feasible than Germany the end. I don't give yeah. Yeah like the because what it leads to is that then If you have Cannon and then you have Pew and Cole who love to go and assume the cannon like he has this whole thing was like, oh, well, someone had to have told styles that Alison died and Scott's arms, but it's like but we didn't see that. So you using that to support your argument which doesn't really even fit means nothing but right now, you know what, I mean? It's like there's no there's no Aces to that and I've dealt 1000% that they were thinking about that in any way. It would have been nice if they did but you know a lot of things would have been nice see look at this. What is this Mesoamerican religion at the now while also spelled my personal Guardian Spirit believed by some Mesoamerican Indians to reside in an animal's just a deer Jaguar bird narwhal. Yeah and which certain powerful men can transform themselves to do evil. Thus the world derives from the now Edward. Now Wally, which is disguise. So like Sorcerers could assume animal forms to you know, do their misdeeds. And so that is a Mesoamerican Legend the nerve calling it a Berserker not calling it a Berserker that's combining Germanic English word with Mesoamerican folklore. Well, no, but the Berserker is its own kind of thing and it's specifically Norse and Germanic as that. I don't know what that has to do with right, but she like she forced transformed him into like this mixture of animal spirit crap. Where'd you get the Narwhal from cuz wasn't she in our wall? I think she say used for her which was a youth not wild for her, too. Yeah, I think his was just the beserker because it's still the same thing. They use the animal skin. And in fact, it's what contributed to the werewolf legend but specifically in Europe and that's kind of where you get Odin from and the whole werewolf thing in general again, though. This is more research than I will ever give them credit for doing because you know good and well if they had done this research, they would have bragged about it. I just I just don't know why they called it a Berserker, you know what I mean? Because he thought it was cool. Like actually, you know, what it was is so they have this whole thing about oh continuity see we talked about this all the way back in season 2 and remember they showed that chalkboard that had like a bunch of different mythical names on it and they're like, so yeah, we've been plotting this and it's like no you haven't you found a screenshot and you saw the word beserker and he said let's put that in here, you know, it's just like it's so pretty might be Surprises that Scott goes to Mexico twice and we get no. Oh my god. I've never been here before. Yeah. My family hasn't been back here since we emigrated to the United States five generations ago what exactly that say that like nothing so easy, but you were saying that he what was that article that you were referencing to the some of us are human, but you wanted to talk about I have this weird Hoechlin 90 that goes back and forth between insulting him and defending him and second never really figure out what side of the fence she's on with anything. That's like, okay. Do I come off like that? I can never tell how I come off with heckling. Yeah, Oh, no, you're definitely Hoechlin Steve. We're just finding this person. They're like, oh they were talking about someone was like Oh, I thought that heckling got the Jeep and I was like, I don't know where you got that from, you know, no Dylan was are Jeff was going to With to Dylan and Dylan just say he didn't want it. So Jeff took it and I never heard about heckling getting it at all ever and I was like and if they had been a thing we would have been a hot mess about it. No, I mean all over it like like Hoechlin just wanted to like keep the the the first place they made love and peace of his baby. Exactly. You look like we would have been all of chorus a man Jackson showed him how to drive stick but Hoechlin showed him how to drive the other type of stick. And so I was just like now and there and his someone was like, oh he doesn't care about that. Hunkajunk. He's too busy driving his Mercedes and his Hummer. I was like, what do you think that's nothing to do with anything is so weird. I mean I can see I can see what was it like it was that I can see why some people may have confused the Hummer for a cheap. Maybe hmm at some point and I don't know how it may be a dark picture. Well, he has been driven that hummer and years and he Set he says that he still has a BS in German at forever. And then she also said he has a convertible and I was like, I don't think he has a convertible but I was like if you got pictures then okay, I guess thanks. Okay, like I don't really care but it's like okay. Yeah, it's like nobody. Oh, but the some of us are human. So piu is just incensed about some of us are human and I just don't get why he's so mad. He keeps saying that it's sarcasm. Mmm, and I'm like, that's it. I mean if you watch that scene, there's nothing sarcastic about it. I don't know. If is that the part that he thinks it's sarcasm or does he think the where styles are saying? Like, I'm just what does it say? I'm nothing but skin and bones or Star Kono. However, something sarcasm is my only defense you think that's why he said then early Seasons he's talking about the season five fight between Scott and Stiles and so he says Of us have made mistakes. And this is a key line Styles has been there for all the Scots mistakes. So it's not praise. It's sarcasm and that he says some of us get our hands a little bloody. Sometimes he knows that although his reasons and here don't make any sense. But then he he says it's cruel. He's oh here let me I'll link you. I mean, let's see you soon sarcasm the use of irony to mock or convey contempt and irony is the expression of one's meaning by using language that normally signifies the opposite. So there's nothing ironic by saying some of us are humans. Some of us can't be true Alphas. I think that the direction because he thinks that it's saying some of us are human Scott and you're not but it's more about some of us like, please remember your Humanity because up until this point and throughout the entire season, which was the entire impetus for their fight is Scott really was kind of forgetting not necessarily Humanity, but the infallible are the foul ability of humanity meaning that humans make mistakes humans have issues humans have things that they do that. They can't necessarily take back and I think Scott was also forgetting that when you are less likely to heal from some from something you have to make decisions that may not leave as much room for saving for Mercy. I'm one, right? Right, which is yeah, and I was like that's valid. So it's not cruel cruelty. He's not lashing. He's not calling Scott a terrible person. He's asking Scott to remember that he used to also be this way. Look, I will give Pew that stylist was being salty and there was not cruelty but I would say a little bit of like it was a little bit of a fuck you you know what I mean? What if you're at Sea and I do bye I felt it more as like a desperation because especially at that I do feel like he was trying to slap him in the face a little bit. Like hey mister, you know Almighty like some of us can't do everything you can do but not just slap him in the face and we're stuck in a situation and and you're not there. Guess what we're going to make mistakes. We're going to do what we think we need to do and it might not always be the right thing, but that's okay. Well, that's not a problem though. It's up of reality. It's yes, it's not just a slap in the face. It's a slept to wake him up to make Him see that what he's doing because he's not saying. Oh, I'm gonna do this whether you like it or not. He's saying please understand why I have to do this and they're two different statements at that point. He was literally kind of begging to be involved and he wanted to help and he's like, what can I do? What can I do? And then Scott was like you can get out of my pack and go home. No dials had a moment earlier in the season where like he's fixing the Jeep and he kind of get hits himself on the Jeep out of her. Fishing right and he tells him like Scott asked me why can't you just trust people he's like because you trust everyone and he has his moments where it's like I don't have the same luxuries as you do because you take these other luxuries yourself exactly. You have the luxury of trusting people because I don't trust them for you. Yeah, and you and Scott has the luxury of bestowing Mercy because other people do the dirty work for him beforehand. Well, okay, so then that's the The entire other thing is that you can't give me the narrative that Scott is so hurt and so traumatized when we find out that he's conspiring with deucalion to take down a bunch of kids, you know what I mean to get him to kill these kids. And so that's where all falls apart for me. And I wonder when you try to timeline it exact then you realize wait Scott had already in put this plan into place while he's judging these people like they're doing Things than him exactly. He's telling them we have to save them. We can't kill them. Oh, by the way, let me call to Killian and make sure that he goes and he thins out this pack and I'm like that's absolutely ridiculous because he was putting a murder plan into effect. Yeah while judging people for accidentally killing someone while defending themselves exactly regardless of the fact that the entire three Theo told him that ridiculous story which I'm like Scott if you believed that styles did This why didn't you check the the coroner's report afterwards and which is something that Scott are that Styles would have done had it was the situation is nobody I said that they had the didn't did the oh, that's Josh. Wait what no perish, but the doctors picked up Donovan. from the school I think I don't know if it was yeah, like the weight didn't the doctors clean up everything afterwards like it was like the the scaffolding didn't even fall when Styles went back to the school. I don't remember remember he calls the police and then he kind of like leaves and then he runs back in after the police come in to check out the library and leave and he sees that there's nothing there. He sees a drop of blood somewhere. But like that's like on an on like the rebuilt scaffolding. That's then so then okay, so I am justified because You think that Styles bludgeoned this man with a wrench and then cleaned it up himself? What are we talking about? Yeah, like I think they're like your you'd have to assume that Jordan came and picked up the body and took it to the nemeton to the name it and then Styles cleaned up the whole murder stick the whole scene on his own which I guess I'm excited to put know how but like I get some Coca-Cola. But you know and that's another thing that instead I said, I almost what I don't think they knew that. Donovan was a chimera get right now. They have ya know they did because the teeth now before that like before that they know that the doctors had taken Donna. Yes, because yeah van was broken into right? Yeah. Sure. I think yeah. Okay. Let's see hanging out like when they've already I thought that they were already packed when that started know like I think they dragged him out of the sheriff's they Listen, oh wait Donovan. Okay, no race, but when did he threaten his dad? I don't care. This is that drive me crazy is making me care about things. I do not care about I don't care like but the point is is that Theo story about Stiles overpowering someone and beating them with a wrench ridiculous ridiculous. And in the fact that Theo was so Scared of human styles with a wrench that but then they're hanging out werewolf at the time Theo couldn't rip him away from the body was ridiculous. Now my god when Scott was like you trusted him too. I remember everyone was like red like little ice is still trying her you when they conspired with one another and work together. You know what I love is that in that thread pux? Actually admits wit. No Pew made another post which is seems so Random talking about how Ascot shouldn't have to forgive Theo for murdering him on anyone else's terms. But his own and I was like, who is this too? And then in the list of reasons why he gives like that Theo is like a bad person and why Scott would be upset with him is that feel blackmailed his best friend Styles? It's like when it when it when it's convenient. Two year old child was blackmailed. But when it's inconvenient to a steric you're going to talk about how styles conspired with Theo. That is absolutely I was reading that whole threat and my only idea that this could possibly be against is themes because theon's are the only ones who have care about Theo or Lea of an issue between Theo and Scott not getting along because of somebody else like what Someone else in the center because it's only theon's and whilst he owes but they don't care about stereo. So it's got to be theum. Mmm. It's really wild if you consider undermining actively working to interfere. I know we did undermine other people. Oh, did he? Oh here it is. Okay, so it says first when Theo and styles comma working together comma brought Josh's body to the clinic and Scott asked which one of the doctors killed them and Theo Confirmed Scott's guest said it was a surgeon. This was a lie Stiles knew it was a line. He said nothing. He was being blackmailed. But unlike Scott, he didn't think of way to beat his blackmailer. He played along. What was Scott blackmailed. Oh when Gerard was blackmailing Scott into helping him get Derek to bite him so that he could become a werewolf and then become an alpha and season 2, but only what no Gerard Our thread and Melissa's life with the kanima in his room and that's how he like first he stabs him. Remember? Well, he then you double and then but that's the lap down. It's just coercion. Yeah, he and it was a black male youth. He threatened. What's it called when you thread you extort someone? Yeah, that's extortion. That's not black. It's extortion. It's not blackmailing but I think that's what he's going towards. Yeah, that's weird. But also no oh, so yeah, that was another argument. And I hate them them trying to say that Scott didn't know that Derek was going to be there. So Derek was never part of his plan, but I'm like then what was the plan because wolfsbane on its own did nothing you needed the alpha by to activate it and they showed us the mountain. Ash what I say will faint. Yeah mountain ash said. Oh, yeah Mel. Do you know I get it that like the plan like Scott did not know in that what fourth or fifth episode that at the end when he's with his job was to take Derek to a warehouse where Gerard would be waiting to then paralyzed Eric and then Scott would be there to force the bite on to Gerrard and then Gerard would kill Derek. Look. I'm sure he didn't know explicitly that that was the plan but he knew that Derek we are danger being forced to bite Gerard and that uh situation would come up where Girardi was expecting Scott's help to make it happen that they were all going to be in the same place at the same time. Sickly because we don't know we know that there are would never bite him on purpose. Oh God. No the fact that Derek bit Victoria when he was trying to save Scott made no sense whatsoever to begin with. Yeah. Well, I thought that was kind of an accident or did he actually like Endeavor? It wasn't that's how that's kind of how they do it. Like it was an accident like it's just she got bit while he was trying to defend himself but like there could have been too careful to bite someone. Yeah, that's wild this. Oh, it's so inconsistent. But of course, it's all race. That's man fall when you really look back on everything. Nothing makes sense. Yeah, it's like they broke the things they wanted to happen and then like okay which character has to do that and that and that and then it's like but this character wouldn't do any of those things. Oh, well, fuck it. Yeah, or oh well as a fandom is racist. I'm like, I'm not having that conversation with you guys. I'm not arguing with them about that anymore. And you know what we were talking about earlier. Or was that realistically we always make Styles like Scott super like evil and responsible and stuff like that, but that's not something we do when we talk about the show in like this is what happened terms. That's when we what we talked about what we would like to happen. In fact like Shannon. Yeah, or what we think would make more sense than Cannon exactly. But if we're realistically talking about what happened on the show, then we realistically also have to talk about how Styles saw a lot wrong with Scott and just It went along with it. Anyway, he gave them in the benefit of Doubt a lot of time and that is one of the characteristics about styles that I do not like but this is also but C and this is the problem because that's a writing issue. And that is Dillon trying his best to try and eat a really portray it in a way that still positive ascott, but in Jeff's mind, that's a great friendship because Jeff and Visions himself as Styles, which is wild. Imagine he sees himself as Styles because Styles gives up too much of himself. He definitely to oh, it's being self-sacrificing. Yeah, Jeff definitely thinks he's tiles is stuck to way to self-sacrificing for him. Exactly. No, this is what you think's Jeff Scott. Jeff is Scott what he is Scott, but he thinks he's Styles. He thinks that he's the popular. You know, he thinks that he is the the fan favorite. This is one hundred percent. who he thinks he is, you know, he was for like a season and a half and then it up and well, yeah what me even now he still gets a lot of play and of course, he's the only one that's still really pushing for, you know attention when it comes to Teen Wolf specifically the rest of them have kind of moved on so it's like dude just get another job and try to make it as good as what you did as what people think you did here and don't tell him to get another job don't And there are things that I don't like about Cannon Styles. So do I choose not to think about them when I'm talking Fannin and stuff, of course and like nobody's forbidding the Scott stands from doing the same and their place, you know, you can ignore all the stuff that you don't like about Scott and you don't have to defend it to anybody but then don't go around. Yeah, you can ignore all the good things about Styles and only remember the bad parts, but then don't go around telling other people that they have to do it that way. Way for you to and specifically just to try and establish a majority because what he did what Pew did to that person was the literally tried to bully them out of writing and that's ridiculous when there are so many writers who will cater to what you want to read and I just don't know how people like clot poles only and demons dust and fanfiction fridge and some other sterics will remain unnamed to have link themselves with these people. Hey, you know live really well. As a steric but and even she is if he but what I will say is they don't respect them. They don't like them as soon as they say something that is slightly outside of the purview. Like you're not reaching their common Middle Ground. You are all the way on their side or not at all and what even like that in scraping clot pretend to be like, oh, you're lucky that we're friends with Pew because we talked them and them down, but they don't work and they talk about how they're different. I was like one you're not and what you describe as just you know, intellectual differences with Pew if they're not just differences of opinion. It's like a behavior. It's abusive behavior. And it's borderline. They turned it into a morality issue where you are not a good person unless you think along the same lines that I do and I'm like that's not a friendship. That is a that's fascism here. It's like you have to 100% be like me. It's just like I mean I don't go around thinking that anyone who's not a steric must be evil exactly and it be idiotic because someone likes fluff where they stay, you know friends and they all the stories all end in a kiss a single kiss. That doesn't mean the person is evil and homophobic exactly. There's a it's a lot more nuanced than that. And so like the fact that they try to do that is ridiculous and the fact that people try to explain why what they do is okay is crazy to me. Yeah, looks like it's not and then what makes infuriates me is what people equate what we're doing here to what they do. How does that except for them and the flittering all of the will compare like what Bhed does and other stuff like and like what I do here as like being worse than what pu and them do which is pathetic. Like how do you even draw that connection? They don't I'm literally saying write what you want your Justice. Harold as I am yeah just don't write what you want and then Badger other people to only write what you want it with the response as well. Please just telling people he doesn't want racism but it's like his definition of racism is what he doesn't want, you know, like stuff that he that concerns him and only him as white as he is a male as he is totally just like proves that point. Sometimes it shouldn't I'd like for some people will like those white people who think like. Oh, Oh, well, if we been to every call of races on and they're just going to call whatever they don't want or like racist. All right, so that we have to change it. Mmm instead of real legitimate things and Pew literally feeds into that anything. He thinks he doesn't like, oh, it's racist. Yeah or the ablest well or it's toxic or like how when it becomes a huge umbrella term where everything can fit into racism. Oh, well, he happens to be one skin Shade darker than other people there are times in that show where Derek is darker than Scott, but it's racist against Scott and it's just like no, I'm not doing this with you. We're not we're not playing this game. And I mean the only reason we talk about skin tones and skin Shades is because we're defending the fact that it is possible for people to not have known. Well, it matters Congress. Most people didn't know deal because saying that someone is brown does not say what They are and that's also what's extremely insulting to me is the idea that looking at Tyler Posey. He could be Italian he could be Mediterranean. He could be Greek. He could be free and just about anything honestly. So in order to be fully racist you really it really does boil down to ethnicity and and I and so the problem is that in terms of black people, especially black in America. That ethnicity is what American which has its own kind of definition but it still begs off of the diaspora. So you have the issue of oh well dark means that you are less than but that is almost exclusively with like black people when you get into Latinos and that kind of thing you're dealing with a different Dynamic. It's just a different thing entirely and so for you to be like people are racist against Scott because of his skin color doesn't Make any sense because that's not attached to anything people. Didn't know you know, he's biracial and mixed with latino. So now I hate him because I hate Latinos. No one said that that's not a thing that ever happened. I don't know how much more that we can explain that. Most people did not know Tyler Posey was Mexican and therefore did not know that Scott was Mexican. They thought that he was 10. Lots of people are tan Which every pay money to get tan and some people are just born tan and some people just get 10 depending on the time of year. There is a difference depending on the perspective that you're watching the show from so the blanket paint everybody are even the majority of people as being racist when you don't know half of those people's backgrounds, you know, you don't know anything about the way that they would ingest this show. Is in itself, it's own kind of hubris, you know, and it's just like I don't have time for that for you to try and dissuade me from watching a show because I don't watch it the way that you do nor do I want to because the way they watching this very boring, even if we go to percent like if we compare the steric population to the national population in the u.s. At least 17 percent of all sterics would be Latino will be Latino. Are you yes, I mean you would think about if this this general idea of steric is racist that either you would see almost not know Latinos in the steric fandom, which is false because I'm here and so many other Latinos automatically the ante hon. Yeah, apparently and then you also have the fact that they're they say that there's no significant amount of thick that is, you know favorable to Scott. And so if there's Seventeen percent of us out here Then you would think at least Seventeen percent of the 50. Mm fix would have a Scott that they think is good enough to read. Mmm, and they say there's nothing again because their parameters are ridiculous because it's not that Scott is good. It's not that Scott has positive. They want Scott to be the main character. They want the plot to focus around him and they want him to be the hero of the Fig and in steric fix that's not going to happen. And then with black with blacks and Latinos and with blacks and Latinos, we would make up 30% of stearic, right? You're right. Exactly and probably do honestly, there's a good problem. We probably make up at least 45% Mmm. Oh, I don't know that high. I think sometimes we can be a little bit over represented in I feel like we have become more represented in this pairing than most other one. That's okay. I can see that I could maybe it may not be 45. It might be like instead of 30. It's like 32 or something. I think we're a little bit more well represented in this fandom because steric fandom in general is a lot more Progressive than other ship fandoms are right, right. People are a mess. You gotta love it. Goddamn man. Considering this isn't just the u.s. Fandom. It's a world fandom like, oh, yeah completely forgetting about all Asian and Pacific Islander. Regressions in the Asian Pacific Islanders, and then there is Indians eliminate everyone and say yeah, we're we we out there that isn't a few we deftly want to thank you all for joining here. I'm going to fill this episode in for this other series that I am getting ready for you as a surprise. And so yay. I'm excited. 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Hey we gonna have a good day. Have a good show. Have a good show. We got Bobby you guys. I'm so excited because these are one of my faves as far as relationships. Go on Basketball Wives plus we have tweets questions before commitment. Anna and special special segment so stay tuned for all of that. Stay tuned to the end. I'm your host Miss Conversation Piece. I have CC and Byron in the building and Brianna, Brianna Cheyenne here. Hello. I'm so excited you guys. Let's just get our overall thoughts out there of what you thought when you saw the episode. Hmm a lot went on right? Yeah. I mean Tammy's talented Jackie cracks me up. There's no never a dull moment with these ladies a lot of drama though with me right at this this episode. This was the perfect episode to have you here. Yeah it clear that. Yes. Absolutely. Yes. I mean, what do you think like you said every show is drama seems like you know, you get it. You know when doing this show with CC doing Basketball Wives, you know, I've learned to just be mellow and just say listen, and I've told her this and I've told everybody who watches, you know at the end of the day, it's me and you baby. I love that. That's a really think overall the episode kind of got me nervous because I never seen you in OG get into it before. I know someone was like, whoa, it's crazy. Oh, yeah, it caught me off guard. Yeah, they didn't show a lot of stuff. But yeah the girls just try to get you know, OG and I against each other or whatever. I mean, it's just that's all that's ever happens. Yeah. I don't see it lasting though. Like a split between you guys. Yeah. Well know what happens is Kristen brings up some text messages from over two years ago before we even started filming last season. So OG and I didn't even know each other yet Ryan. We didn't even know each other. Yeah. I was basically make a long story short. I was consoling Kristen at the time because I was out of the country Byron and I were in Acapulco. You're always traveling and she's my girl like she was my girl at the time and it was just her and I together meeting these girls for the first time at that time. We didn't know anybody else. We only had each other but we'd gone on the trip. So I left her alone. So she this was the first That scene last year when she filmed at the pool party for oh geez party. That was the first time they all really film together more, you know got together so her and I both didn't know anybody yet and I felt like I left her, you know, and I felt bad that I wasn't there. So when she called me to let me know what had happened. I was all about it. I was like, you're my girl that you're writing for her right? I'm trying to console her. I'm like, okay. This girl's once do what she there's more to the text messages. He actually also called me so we were on the phone talking because it was just too much texting going back and forth. So she called me and we spoke on the phone. So words were exchanged that you can't see on the text message. Okay, and basically I was just replying to her and trying to console her over a girl that we didn't know who supposed to be, you know messing with Kristen. She made it sound like OG was you know gonna kill her. Mmm was beating her up security had to get her off of her and to rip the mic off her and all this drama was happening and Here I was leaving her by herself. I thought oh my God, so I'm over here trying to console her. Right? So what she did was use my text messages that I was telling her to console her at the time against me two years later. Okay, so she's digging in the creek. But these are actually real text messages. I'm glad you're here CeCe. Okay. I'm glad you're here to clear it up because my overall thoughts were I'm just I'm just trying to see the women do prosperous things. I love to see Shawnee doing what she's doing with with Oh just hurt businesses and she's showing her kids that she's working hard. And even though they're privileged they're able to have a business mind and have you know, whether they want to be athletes or business minded people. They just are well-rounded character and I love I love to see stuff like that. So we'll just get into it. She started her real estate Empire by investing into Inglewood, which is super important because they're now building a stadium out there a lot. Of things are going to be prosperous in that area. So she has a millionaire state of mind and she wants our kids to have that as well and to see her working hard and not just be a woman who I guess gets money from a man and I think Phoebe also said the same thing she wants people to see her working hard and how do you feel as a basketball wife? Because we know that you have a business as well. Yes. I do just being respected and not being Labeled as I'm just arm candy because you're beautiful song. Thank you. Well, you know, I started my business a little later in life. So I became a nurse first so, you know working as a single mom. I became an RN I had got my BSN and I started working in the operating room. So my background is trauma operating room, but at the same time I thought oh my God every day every night. I'm in here saving lives. It's crazy. It's scary. Sometimes it's depressing and you go home and you want to do another side of Thing that's a little bit more interesting a little more fun. So at the same time I got into aesthetic nursing which brought me into the medical spa industry and after about 10 years. I decided to open up my own Medical Spa and I've ran my own business since then and then recently in the last year and a half I merged with a bigger company and now we are like 25 locations partnered up with somebody. Yeah. Happening. Yeah using the platform. We see that Shaquille has shown up. He's never been on the show. This is season eight. We saw I'm gonna FaceTime the first episode now, he's actually showing up he's showing his restaurant. It has to have you all eaten very cool. I haven't been I haven't either not yet. I am either going I mean he has the Kobe burger and then he has just killed burger and I we don't even eat. That's all. Yeah. That's what if he has fish on the menu. Byron Byron bass right stick together but the basketball men like the coaches in the basketball players. How do you guys like have your camaraderie totally different? I'm sure a lot of drama respect each other's position being in a few were head coach or if you were assistant coach or if you're the third. I told you our viewer behind the bench coach everybody's very respected because we know we all have a job to do. So, the one thing that I do miss about coaching. I mean, obviously I miss the camaraderie. That's the biggest thing is the camaraderie with my coaching staff because of coaching staff. You're going to be together nine months out of the year. So you're going to get to know each other extremely well, and that's the one thing, you know, since I've been out of coaching and I truly do miss because I had some great coaches that are just great people still seem to this day still taking contact with him eventually. And the same thing with my ex teammates, you know, I see magic, you know, almost two or three times a week at the gym. Oh really talking play golf with James Worthy AC Green is my daughter's Godfather. So, you know, I still have a relation Kareem and I still see Kareem, you know, so Michael Cooper I can keep going but I mean, I really all still have a relationship, you know, so it's totally different. I think than the most women. Yeah, because because we drop like flies Kind of hang on because of things that we've been through on the basketball court and off the basketball court and we had a friendship this Everlasting peace teamwork. I feel like helps I guess keep you guys together because when you're just beating up to have brunch and talk about other people, it's different. Yeah, it's different for a drink. Yeah. Yeah, very draining. What is difficult to see Shaquille's business is flourishing Chinese business is flourishing. The kids are doing well Sharif they were Breaking the fact that he's able to get back into sports. Now you being a coach. What do you think about this situation? Do you feel like, you know, when you have a major surgery like this, it may be time for you to coach or you know, like you maybe need to find another Avenue also, then we shall live in playing. Yeah. No, I mean he's young. I mean with with the medicine today and Technology. I'm not saying that having heart surgery is not a big deal because it's a huge deal. You know and all of us are so happy that she reaches back on the basketball court and he got clearance from the doctors to be able to resume his college career and hopefully, you know next couple of years. He'll be in the NBA as well, you know, so as a coach though, if I'm coaching that young man, I'm going to be a little leery at the be at the beginning because I'm a definitely want the doctors to make sure that he is a hundred ten percent and that we can go through a very strenuous training camp our practices and things of that nature because it's It's going to be as he's going to be tested. Yeah, I mean his ability to get up and down the floor, you know, especially with that heart, you know that blood pumping that's it's a tricky thing, you know, so I'm excited for him. I'm happy for him. I'm happy for Shaq, and I'm happy for Chinese because I know how much they love that that young man might my son coach him at Crossroads when he won Championship. So I got a chance to see him play a couple of times in high school. So I'm excited to see him play this year. It's there. It's there like a key piece of advice. You would want to give him when it comes onto. Back on the court and easing his way back in there. You know, I think at this time it's all about just being patient. He definitely has to ease his way into it. He can't try to just, you know, get from one to a hundred. You know, that quickly is it's got to be steps and he has to understand it's going to be a process and when he gets to the point where he feels extremely, you know, healthy and strong again where he doesn't have to think about the heart I think about his breathing and things of that nature then I think that's when it's you know, Percent of the doctor. Yeah, he's you know shows up and really like surprised because he hasn't been here in eight seasons, but he's here now. It's just so amazing to see the relationship that they have and it's just good parenting. Yes co-parenting and but the only thing that said is the kids that are like that and I was going on That's right. Mom has a cool Mom. It seems like a shag is like he's goofy or tatius. I think he's just a flirtatious guy is that we agree I think times for its hammy. She actually misses them here. Ego trip just like you yeah wasn't partly balázs the bullet. Yeah, she got run down from Jackie and you know OG and they were basically telling her what was going on. And so she said she's gonna ride for OG because you know, she wasn't there for her, you know throughout this whole Phoebe's doing and all these girls are coming after her. Well, Timmy. No Gio tight. I mean they get along real well, so, you know, I'm not surprised. Tammy and I are cool too. It's just that sometimes I think when the girl when I'm not around and the girls are talking about me the girls that are telling Tommy stuff are usually girls that don't like me. So so so one side of that right, right and Tammy and I never ever got a chance to really get to know each other but for the most part Tammy and I are cool. I was going to ask you what was your relationship like with Tammy because you don't really see you guys shoot a lot and I was going to ask the same thing about Evelyn with your relationship with her because Is she feels a serious type of way when it comes onto the whole Kristen thing and I'm just like Jew do you have some type of relationship with cc to fill this one with with Evelyn Evelyn? Yeah, you know, she she's another one that never really got to know me either right? So she's just been you know overnight became Christians, you know, one of her BFFs and then never because we wasn't because she made that comment to you like you were happy time is your spot from last season. They didn't know me at all started the rumor and told that because it was a joke or something. And then they said it was a joke. It was a joke when it was told to them. It's only from there damn and we're cool for a while. And then we were cool, you know early in earlier in the year and then I don't know. I mean, this is all a big surprise to me how But I mean, you don't look I shouldn't be surprised because she is Kristen has become really good friends with both Shaunie and Evelyn and that's that's cool. It's cool. But it's also cool that Tammy is thinking about being a rapper now. She used to be signed in 1993. What's up? What is this? What is very tell you don't like the time right like sheep. I mean, what can she not do this? Like he can't work. This person who's helping her daughter jazz is now going to help Timmy do her thing and I'm here for it. Like I want to see her rap. I want to see her spit and I mean we saw a little bit of it tonight, right? And I mean it was it was cute. She was cute. I like to that accent she put on and the Jacksons were no she's she's talented. Yes palaces. She had me rolling. Let's talk about how our fans love us, Brianna. You just let them know how much we appreciate them. Yes, I want to say thank you so much for making AfterBuzz the ESPN of TV talk. We appreciate everybody tuning in every single week. Not just with Basketball Wives, but every show we have here. We really appreciate make sure if you're watching right now to comment subscribe on YouTube and give us a thumbs up also give us five stars. If you're listening to us on iTunes comment on our social media follow us on our social media. That's how we're able to get. Amazing guests like virulence you see here. So again, thank you so much. Everyone loved you so much and see you again next week. Yes. Thank you guys so much. I want to get into Evelyn Kristin and Jim when they meet for lunch, they basically are going at UC, right, you know, like you were watching it for the first time just like we were they were ready to expose you for ya next. How do you feel watching that I mean, obviously she had to find something on me. Me to bring up and the way she pulled it up. There's no way it could have been pulled up that easily because this is from two years ago. Hmm. So I mean, you know, I'm just watching this like, okay, whatever. I mean, you know, what went on I know what went on. So what were you and Kristen good friends? And when did it stop being good friend? We were good friends from the day we met to about the first five minutes of being on basketball and wow, that's so crazy because I was paying attention. Into that scene when she said that you guys were having that conversation and she said me and CC were really good friends at that time. And then I'm like girl us last season. You said we were just surfing hello song, LOL that caught me off guard too. Yeah. I'm sure that comes out. Yeah. Yeah, so they shown a receipt then we'll get into that later about how they're just trying to just every episode figure something out about CCN how to be mad at CC. I just want to say sorry real quick Lavon Lavon said Evelyn, Lozada Has been jealous of CC has since been pimping since pimping its pivot members in spending in Pentonville. Kristen is so fake on here. Okay? Yeah. I'm just going to right there so fake. Oh Sophie B. We see her practicing for her show. You didn't did you go I did go now. That whole thing where they bring up the text message and Tammy comes up to me and says but we saw what you texted that was the show. So that was the private area we had and then we go down and watch her but she was left before she was performing you so it's a sea or did you or did you not make sure I got my groove on that night. I was dancing with Tammy. I mean, I'm dealt with Cammy was there I was dancing with me and Jackie and I didn't think I left there having fun. Things are a mess. Why did you like that? Girl? What are you thinking like that? No, I mean look mean OG were good like you. Well Phoebe was feeling a little nervous. This is our first time performing in La Sean her skill. She has labeled people coming. She's trying to get a deal. She don't want to be in the spotlight. Yes. I'm a basketball baby mama, right and we were all there to support her. So that was the main thing was to support her and even though I know that walking into a room Roomful of women like this. I would probably get a tack which I usually do. I still went to support her. This is so do I feel the support back on the certain things that I do not all the time, but I was there I didn't leave. Yeah, you were even there giving Evelyn advice for her skin care line tell her all that stuff. But you know what blessings are going to come your way regardless. Thank because when you do things out of the kindness of your heart regardless of how other people treat you you don't even have to About it because you're going to get it right back. Thank you. So they're basically saying that OG is mad that Phoebe didn't own up to her ish talking to you said the line about you know her wearing fake stuff and she admitted it to the girls that she said it about her. But when toji called her out she was like naw naw I saw that talking about but I saw that it's very much hypocritical. I think you know a lot of I'm just gonna put it out there. I think a lot of the girls are scared of OG I said it. I've seen it time and time again. I wasn't there when it was even negatively or positively I just like real people so Because your strudel so you real, you know what I'm saying? Absolutely. No game represents game some peeps. Are you guys on for forgiveness? Because I feel like in real life if you were beefing with someone and you say something bad about them. It's not a Crossing national network. I mean, I'm big on forgiveness. I mean I can honestly say that I don't have a single enemy in the world besides. What's developing here. I examine the situation. Yeah, that's tough. That's And then the people surrounding the family, you know, but I am a very forgiving person. I mean I've gone through so much in my life where I forgave so many people that close to me, you know, very close to me. I mean my mom I got to go deep into that but there's a lot of stuff that's happened, you know over the years over my life raising my son, you know single mother and his my son's dad. My son's dad married my best friend. Oh man. Yeah, but when I was I mean he he got together with my best friend who was going to be the maid. Of honor at my wedding. She was like my sister and my son was 8 months old shut up. Ah seen ever since yeah ever since Jared was eight months old. We took turns every other week. So it was hard because the judge at 21 years old the judge granted us 50/50 custody because they have to factor in the fact that I am in school full-time to be a nurse as well as working as a bartender and I was a personal trainer. Oh, yeah Gold's Gym, so they factored in how many hours of studying work and schooling And you know, there's no reason and Jared's dad's a great dad. So the judge granted us 50/50 custody at 21. I was going to court where my girlfriends were celebrating their birthdays in Vegas. So so it's been tough and I've been through it. That's why sometimes some of the things that the girls are doing. It doesn't faze me. Yeah, and that's why some of the viewers are like, why isn't she saying anything or and a lot of the times it gets cut off but you're not saying that you're not willing to stand up for yourself. You just prefer peace and to be quiet. No, I mean I'll be honest there are times when I do say things and it's It's not shown. Yeah, you're there's certain things that like all of a sudden something happens and I'm like so like it's not a big deal. Like I do you understand what I've gone through like I have so much or fast. Yeah, and not only that I mean, I've I've dealt with working in a trauma Hospital saving lives pulling bullets out of people's brains and bodies like to me I can handle stress well, so that's just my thing girl you're doing your thing and Jackie has been doing her thing in the living room with her treadmill. She's I gotta get back in shape. I need to eat for Maxie. Jackie's beautiful. She is so funny. I mean from the treadmill to the goats. Yoga Go, I mean what is next? I mean, yes, she's just I mean a day doesn't go by that she doesn't touch you like I Love Lucy. Yeah like yeah hilarious q and just she makes me happy. I mean I can have a really bad day. And then when I see Jackie, I'm like, oh my God, that's the type of energy you want. Right. Yeah. So Tammy comes in with the ice cubes that having a good night and Jackie knows you tell that Evelyn and Jim made up and she's Tim. He's not happy because she's just not feeling gin just like Malaysia isn't feeling Jen and I wasn't feeling Jen. Timmy was hurt. She was hard to imagine and and she says that OGG has the truth. Like has it too. As the truth about what's going on with as far as like, I'm sorry. She's telling her the truth about what's going on with the shirt because this is where old she finds out that she really did say it because remember she called out. Oh gee, I'm in sorry Phoebe. Okay. Okay. I'm like, okay. I'm not in this scenario. I get a little confused sometimes because I'm not always there. But okay. So Jackie has until OG the truth, right and Tammy's there. Right in this is where OG learns that it really was said. Yeah. Sure. Hmm. Yeah and so the about the shirt do you think and that's what? Yeah, and that's what made Timmy decide that you know, I'm not going to the all these ponderosas right? I'm gonna go to this one for you. Yeah. So what is the camaraderie like with Basketball Wives? I know you're you're not one just yet, but he'll I mean we're supposed to be supporting each other, you know, we all go through the same things, you know, there's always groupies. There's always other girls. There's there's busy lifestyle, you know, we're always on the road. We're always traveling juggling, you know his career and my career and it's not easy, but I guess like to reiterate what Jen said back couple episodes ago. Like she's feeling we're supposed to all you know support each other and she's not feeling the support between the Basketball Wives, right? Now and it's true like, you know, we have our ups we have our downs, but I mean a lot of times they're all down because I don't you deny the text if it was sick because you did it before you knew her or which the text that I sent to Kristen. Yes. Oh, I didn't deny it. I said I don't I don't think I said that because there were certain things that they said that I said that wasn't aired and I said, I don't first of all don't speak like that and he knows I will not just randomly. Somebody and said that's a and say that's a dumb. Ho I don't talk like that. Yeah, so I wanted to know what exactly was said because that's not my verbage. I don't talk like that. He knows I never speak like that. So I and at the time when I walked in you have to understand I'm not knowing what they're going to bring up to me and then they're bringing up a text or a few texts from two years ago. So I'm trying to really yeah, we're not remember right and then I'm thinking holy can we curse on you? Holy shit. This is something that was said. For I ever met. Oh gee back when it was only Kristen and I and we didn't know anybody else and I was just trying to console her because I was angry that somebody was trying to beat up my friend. So I wouldn't even doubt that. I may have even been repeating something she said because like I said, we spoke on the phone right between those two you expect that Kristen arrived for you have him he's willing to rap OG and it seems like Kristen's denied that I set for the text. I'm just saying that the way it was delivered is not I was just trying to console my friend at the exactly and Kristen is now walking up to OG trying to be friends with her and trying to put a wedge into you guys. Like right. I mean again, I think everybody's scared of OG. Hmm. I think I personally think that why are you friends with her, you know, we just mesh quick like we became friends before all of this could even happen before I could see how aggressive OG was before I could. The you know, we just got along so quick, you know, we just clicked so it was easy for us. Do you think she's a graphic with I feel like a people put that label on her, but she says I'll kill you right didn't kill no and you know what people say she's aggressive because she's a football player. Okay, you know and I will admit and I said this but they didn't air it I said, hey she is so sweet. She's so funny. She's so caring she's not like what people take right, right, it will get there and I did say this and it didn't tear that I I didn't know OG at the time and I don't even have to spell her name. Okay, so I'm trying to Google her and all I type in is OG football. So, of course you're seeing like this aggressive and the football gear young face paint in the arm and the twerking and somebody said like I know this girl at the time so, you know again, I didn't uh never said I did send the text but there was a lot that went around it that no one it never aired. So I have a question because bit so based on what you said about the verbiage. I saw in the neck the preview for The Next Episode. You said did you ever consider that maybe it was a fake text message or that she created or something? No like that. No, I don't believe it was a fake text message. They were text messages that were sent to each other two years ago. So like literally right when we were starting episode 7 Chris and I didn't know anybody yet. It's just her and I coming into the picture. So but you own accountability. Well GM apologize to her. Yeah at the time at the party. But I'm not sure. Okay. Yeah, I did you want able to be friends again? Yeah, I mean II apologize to her but I said listen I said, you know anything that was said I said a lot of stuff is getting misconstrued but I didn't get a chance to really tell her like hey her and I actually spoke on the phone which of course is not going to be shown right? It's all she's only going to show the Texas after we talked. Yeah, and she was mad. She was saying the same things about OG she was saying, oh, I'm that bitch not ugly bitch, and she tried to kick my ass and the security camera she and Then I would respond back to and go. Did you tell her she was ugly bitch. Did you tell her you know, whatever so that's why I was like listen those Texas did happen. But the way they're making it sound as well not since the fake right now. I was yeah just consoling my friend and I didn't even know g at the time. Gotcha. All right. So, how was Phoebe show, you know, it was it was good. It was fun. I mean you think he has talent I I'll be honest Myron. Everybody look you have to understand I'm 47 and 1/2. So I yeah, I do I am like I listen I'm not up on the times with the you know, every single song that's out there right now. Like my younger friends make fun of me all the time. My son makes fun of me. No, no don't go Mega stallion Meg Meg the scallion. I have Medina who make the sound will show you a music video editor, okay. Sure. Yeah, I mean I was a dance choreographer. So I was a dancer but I don't you know now that I'm almost 48 things are a little different we listened to Jazz. We listen to our and be you know, we're not received stuff. Yeah dance music too. But if we do, it's like old school and R&B, right if we go to the poppet top 40 hip-hop club, I when you say a club but if we go out somewhere and their music and there's dancing, of course, we don't listen to it and jump on and we're always the one that I mean we never stop like everybody else is always like you guys have not even taken a break when we get out on the dance floor at a club. Like we're four hours straight Nadia. I'm not even kidding. We're trying to roll. Yeah, not even kidding your Vibe together. It's like you have a friendship. It's more than just. Oh this my man and this is my woman. It's a genuine friendship. And a lot of people don't understand. That's that's a solid base for a healthy relationship. That's how it should start. Yeah first place. We got to get to know each other and all. That good stuff, but it has to start with a friendship right can't be lust of times. We want to rush into every action. Otherwise you can get this is just like, you know, you know playing the flower plant the tree, you know, you got to start at the bottom and you got it just you know, once that tree comes up those roots are gonna be nice and strong. Yes, you start with a friendship and get to know each other and laugh a lot because that's what we do. We have so much fun making each other. Laughs and jokes and all that stuff that it keeps our relationship fresh. That's good. All right, we're going to have a wedding special or some that's a good idea wedding spin-off. I don't know what it'd be called public. Would it be called like Scott wedding? Hmm this let's not talk Ponder on that one. This is called questions. Before commitment. Okay. So we go see are you ready for this commitment? Okay, we got one right so miss conversation. You have to see how well you guys know each other. Let's do it. All right, let's go. Okay. This is for exactly. All right. What is Byron's middle name Anton? Okay. Great job. Okay, we're going to get the best three out of five. Okay, okay. Byron hmm. Who is CeCe's oldest friend? Wow, her oldest friend or best friend. Best friend is Ross hold its for end of this friend. He knows because he knows her by their nickname. Well, he's met so many because all of my oldest friends all around good friend. She has Mica Ross Marianne. Okay, see, I don't know any of them. Okay, so you see what does Barry like to eat for breakfast? First a smoothie. Hmm. Well, we usually have a smoothie. We usually have a smoothie but our breakfast takes place. Oh, wait a minute, right, but he doesn't eat that. Now this is this is before me. So what he has now is Smoothie a nice look at how she works. What is Theses shoes size 6 and I love you knew that easy. Wow. Nice spot to be too. Well. Okay. What is Byron's favorite color? I want to say well God, I'd say purple and gold for the Lakers but black and yellow for Pittsburgh Steelers blue. I was About to say flew to her favorite food, you know, she's Filipino. So I would say is Filipino food, but she's like She loves us who she yeah. You guys are bombed. All right, both of you guys night and or night out it looks night in. All right, that was questions before commitment. Now, we're gonna get into the trending tweets of all the super fans of Basketball Wives Brianna take it away. Yes. We have some a couple tweets here. Okay at Betty Betty Betty Boop says, I love how Byron rides for CeCe. Yes. That is everything is Betty. Boop Betty Boop. Not Betty. Boop. Petty petty boots Betty Betty Boo. Thank you. We also have OG a tweet that she wants it. Clear up because they said that she left the dance party from last week's episode. So you tweeted and said that's crazy. So allegedly I didn't dance with the group for a bit then go to bed. But somehow my pajamas legs socks and slides Made It LMFAO. That's while yeah that happened to me too. So she's talking about San Diego. Yeah, right. Yeah, right and then that happened to me too because I danced and we had a good time. Yeah me OG and Jazz make it seem like you were Petty and just left the right or not right at Now, okay. We're just going to call her YouTuber says Malaysia annoying as F. She want a beef with Jen so bad and Jen don't even care about her existence be move along. So shady comments and these tweets y'all. Yes. Make sure you leave us a comment like subscribe. Let us know what you think about what Byron and CC are seeing tonight and let's get right into just some things. We want to know about you guys. Like, how did you guys meet? Oh well. We met at equinox Sports Club in West LA. Okay, so give up membership money. Yeah. Yes. Got a membership weight, whatever shit Sports Club Equinox on Sepulveda. And so glad we like live there. So we still go out there every morning drive out there. We live out in South Bay. So we drive out there every morning. We have our friends that we work out with and so we met there almost five years ago, and he just saw me, you know jumping into the Hip Hop class. Us and doing my thing and then keeping him stalking you he was Jim stopping. I'm just saying I'm gonna take it over from here. First of all, I did see her, you know, dancing hip-hop dancing and everything and I was staying near literally and watch it for like two minutes and then I will walk downstairs All Glass cooking sunglasses you would dance and she turned around and she seemed every now and then I got those start to waiting and I told my business partner and friend I submit I just think she's gorgeous. I just you know, I got it. Meet her one day, you know and run into her and happened one day. I'm coming down and she's about to run in and I said listen, I just want to say I think you're beautiful woman. My name is Byron. She thought I said Myron, so she didn't she wouldn't say my name to me for a few weeks until she was telling her friend. I met this guy seems to be really nice as name is mine. I thought you were a new member because I hadn't seen you there before the name is Myron her friend, since there's no Myra pretty much know everybody. So long story short. I came back one day up to her and I said, And it's easy. How you doing? She gave me a hug we gave each other a hug and when I walked away, she said that's my revenge Scott loud and wrong and then I asked her hiking after we went hiking we went hiking twice went to breakfast. We didn't go by ourselves. Even for the first two dates. Yes, oidest the second time we went hiking we have breakfast together. And then after that I said, listen, I want to take you to Dinner, just me and you and she said I couldn't do it that she couldn't do it that night. I said, how about tomorrow night? And she said I could do it tomorrow night. We went to dinner we've been together since that was like July of 2014 or something. So why do you think some people are saying they don't like the way that you move? Wow, what could you mean as far as the girls in the show? Yeah. I'm ready. I think that they're not used to somebody like me that isn't Alice as outspoken as They are like that's just me. There are other girls that are Basketball Wives that don't talk and act the way they do like if I'm not as outspoken, then that's my personality. I don't go judging other people just because they don't have a certain personality that I'm used to being around. I think it's just for them. I think it's a culture shock. You know, if I have a question that a lot of people have been asking in the chat as well and on Twitter. There's been this issue. Ooh that people have brought about about colorism within the special this season, especially with the way. Oh jeez been treated and I just wanted your opinion as a minority on the show and oh jeez friend. Do you feel like do you see that side of the franchise like getting towards that negative colorism side? I've definitely felt it. You know, I'm not going to lie, you know, I feel like I'm a minority Within These, you know my own minorities. Yeah, and it's hard because sometimes you know as a minority myself. You know, we're trying to fit in with the society and then I come into this Collective group of women and I feel like I'm a minority again and I just you know at times I feel like I don't fit in and because of my personality being a little different I don't fit in so I honestly out of all of this. I feel like sometimes the women are trying to find or reach for things that I've done. I'm not perfect. I'm not, you know coming in here saying, you know, look at me. I've got all this stuff going on, you know before Met my man and I'm this perfect person. No, I'm not saying that but because of the fact that I'm from a different culture and I'm trying to fit in with all these different, you know women, you know, I get I think people are looking for you know, why is she like that? Why is she talking like that? Why doesn't she speak up? I'm always being ostracized and it's hard. It's difficult. Do you been able to overcome this and build a successful business by yourself you partnering with Sephora key tell me. A little bit about like you're actually going to be like have a section in the store. Right? Right. So tell me about yeah. So my Med Spa when I opened it was called Rejuvenation Center. We were open for 11 years orange twist approached me and they at the time had about six locations in Orange County. They decided to have me merge with them and their Vision at the time two years ago was to open up more locations. So now we are at 25 locations. Asians and we are kind of partnering up with Sephora. We are opening up a location inside of the Sephora at the Grove and the Santa Monica mall and another location out-of-state. I'm not quite sure which one that is. Are they going to Showcase this on basketball as you know, I don't know. I don't know. I hope so, that'd be great. That would be amazing. Yeah. Yeah. What about you Byron Primetime basketball league torn and Asia tell me about that really quickly before we get out of here in time basketball to leave 4X. NBA players are at least players who had a year and Of experience in the NBA to play in this league in this league will be touring in China. Not trying. I'm trying Asia in November, then we'll go to China in January. And we just what we're trying to do really is a lot of players in the NBA have been kind of pushed to the side then get to live the life that they expect it to as far as you know playing in the NBA and we're trying to gather all these guys together to keep their dream alive as far as basketball part, but we also feel we got them at a time where they're a little bit more vulnerable and Into a little bit more humble now, they're starting to listen to some of the things that we're trying to save one of those things is mentorship, you know, so that's the biggest draw we feel for our league is that we're going to teach these guys when they're done playing basketball that they can still live a very productive life outside of basketball and not have to be like so many other players which is like 88 percent of the players in the NBA after four years or broke that's super important. It's the one thing we want to try to solve that's super important. You gotta work with check on that because he's doing amazing. Yeah you are you going to maybe get in touch with him and some point like you got some connections already here. My prediction is Phoebe is going to catch it from Tammy. I don't think they're gonna get enough fiber I think. I have a good war of words will not even War because Phoebe scary, so she's not going to say anything to him. He's just going to go off. When you're done, you don't even have the energy like she's in a happy place. She's married. She's busy. She's flipping out on one of the previews so she was flipping off a something. So I got it in her so that's my prediction. All right, and I think that when Malaysia and Jackie get this Ponderosa going Jack, he's gonna throw his chair and amazing healing Malaysia and it's just going down so connect. She was close my neck, but I think she gonna pick up something pick up that chair but mobile and what's a great show you guys. Thank you so much for tuning in. Thank you so much TTM. I'm your host Miss Conversation Piece. You can follow me on Instagram @ Mi SS Conversation Piece CC. Where can they find you at Orange to it all with my Twitter? Yeah. Oh, oh or twist orange. Twist South Bay right next to the Lakers Center. Yes, Elsa. And oh Byron work. Can they find you and your business official Byron Scott? All right, and you can find me on Instagram at I am be shy underscore Cheyenne c-h-i a NN e until we meet again. We'll be back by. Thanks for watching. Our founder Keven undergaro and me Maria Menounos would like to thank you for tuning in to AfterBuzz TV. Remember, we're not just the first where the biggest in the world and were the only destination for all your favorite TV shows whatever you crave. We've got it. So go to AfterBuzz tv.com check out our lineup Buzz see you later views expressed herein are those of the host only is not necessarily reflect. The views of AfterBuzz TV rights owners are principles.

We have Cece and Byron in the building for Basketball Wives and we get the tea! Feby Practices in her panties and Kristen brings the receipts. Tune in and like, comment, and subscribe to the show! The Basketball Wives After Show: Welcome to the La La Land this spin off of where these lavish ladies who are formally linked to basketball stars. The BASKETBALL WIVES AFTER SHOW gives you the inside scoop on all of the drama that comes with being romantic with a baller with a California twist. Tune in here for reviews, recaps and in-depth discussions of the latest episodes, as well as the insider scoop from cast and crew members on the show. ABOUT BASKETBALL WIVES: Basketball Wives LA is the Los Angeles based spin-off of Basketball Wives that premiered August 29, 2011, on VH1. It follows the lives of a group of women who have all been somehow romantically linked to professional basketball players. VH1 has renewed the series for a fourth season, which will premiere on July 12, 2015.

Hi and welcome to data futurology the podcast where we speak with leaders in the data science space. We hear their stories their lessons learned and how they got to where they are with them with disgust leadership strategy team building and much much more. My name is Felipe Flores. I am your host. Thank you so much for being here. And today we have a gem of an episode. I think we're speaking with Olivia par Rod Jesus. Extremely accomplished that a science leader. In fact, he was writing books about data science before that is high in suppose a term. So you tells us about the books that she's written in the first one was in data mining. So it's called the data mining cookbook. She is also a certified holacracy practitioner. We speak a fair bit about that. She's been director of database marketing director of pricing optimization director of predictive modeling vice president of analytical Services. She's also Had her own radio talk show about business insights. She's had her own business for a couple of decades. She's an advisor to companies and just has such an incredible and Rich story to share with us today. I had a lot of fun speaking with her. I hope that you enjoy the episode. Here's a conversation with Olivia. Hi, this is Felipe today and speaking with Olivia Olivia. Thank you so much for making the time. It is great to have you on the show. Well, thank you, please smile. My pleasure. Thank you so much at the beginning of the interviews. I always like to ask the guest. How did you get started in the data space? What was it about the field that Drew you in? Well, it's really kind of interesting because I will share later how I'm doing a lot more writing and as a child I was very add and I just enjoyed math. So I ended up studying in college and then decided after I had kids and I want to get back into the career I went. To graduate school in a math based course and ended up majoring in statistics when I got my degree, which was in 1991. There wasn't really a field called Data analysis or I guess right now be data science, but back then the first term that sort of came about is data mining. And so I ended up that credit card Banks were just starting to use data driven models to find their best customers and I came in and had studied categorical data analysis in my graduate work and really just started building models not knowing that it was then going to birth this huge field. So it's really comfortable of incredible. How did you pick statistics as the field for your graduate degree? That's a good question because when I was in undergrad I had to take the statistics class and the professor was awful just say it so I hate it statistics. I loved math, so I got to I was living in Arizona Tempe Arizona, which is right outside of Phoenix and Arizona State University is there and I went into the college of business. I actually wanted to study social work but a friend of mine said no, it's really hard to find a job and I thought okay, I you know, I had children I want to be practical so my husband was starting his own business. So I knew I should probably get something where I can make money, right? So I and I did like business because I had worked in business for a few years right out of college out of credit company, but I knew I didn't want to study. Statistics is so they had three choices. They had computer science statistics and operations research. These were all within this decision and information system master's degree. So I thought okay. I don't want to just be a period of computer scientists that just sounded really boring actually two linear. I think was my thought that I might think differently so I decided to do operations research because that was the last choice and I really didn't even know what it was but I got into it and it was fascinating and Probably familiar with it it optimization models, but given that I still had to start with a statistics class and I had a really great professor and I really got to enjoy it and he liked me so he invited me to switch and he said if you change your major just I'll get you assistantships and help you with your research all that stuff. So that's why I changed and I also was thinking at the time that it's probably a lot more practical than operations research is just something small businesses can basically use statistic where they probably couldn't really leverage operations research to really make sense. How interesting and once they did that degree. How did your career evolved since then? Well, I was actually in my last semester on my husband's company went they went to Funk and my husband said to me and I really want to start my own business. Can you see if he could get a job and so I went into my professor and he said oh, yeah, there was this little credit card Bank in San Francisco that's looking for people did. Understand how to build statistical model. So I went up there interviewed. They hired me and it was funny. They gave me a data set that was perfectly clean that another analyst had done at Rhema another analyst had built a tree model. So he'd already done all those sampling because back then you had to sample everything because the computer space was so small and so I didn't even know what 90% of the work is which is preparing the data, but I built this model using logistic. A progression and even on top of a chaid tree model, it saves the company because they were doing so much snail mail. This was before email really started. It saved the company 17 million dollars a year in male expense for the same Alpha profit. So I was instantly a hero as you can imagine, but the funny thing was I had a I don't even know if this is something people listening could even imagine but I had a desktop computer with a 500 megabyte hard drive and I had SAS on the computer when I was running SAS. I couldn't get into anything else. It was basically locked up and I had no server nothing like that. It was just all right on this little PC. And so I had to sample as I mentioned and then I needed to prepare the variable. So I would spend the week usually during the week I would work on getting the variables in a linear form and that was something I really mastered. Because I couldn't run the model till Friday night. I would start it and it would run for 27 hours. And this was just a sample of 45,000 Records Was it but it was just because computers were so slow that same model could probably now it'd take three or four seconds. It's crazy. That's how I had to do it and then after a year, we got a server and it had one gig on it and we just thought as the whole Bank we're never going to run out of space. It was funny actually that Still don't have access to that to do modeling. I still have two models of the PC. It wasn't until I went to the next position which was I transferred I wanted to get back. He's with my family because I was committing an hour and a half from San Francisco Bay. Area was really tough the bank I work for was also who's owned by a holding company that had an insurance company back East so they transferred me back there and then I got to work on mainframes, which was another interesting cop nightmare. Everything looks so different and fun because we were Pioneers. That's right. Those were the early days of what now has become data science. How did you find it going into Financial Services as your sort of first industry into your statistical career? Well, it's an interesting question because I didn't know how good I had it until I went into other Industries. One of the things that is so great in financial services is just a volume of data use although I will say with when Jada I mean that wasn't even available back then what even when a bank would have it seems small compared to what you know can track When people's web traffic but it was a very rich climate in which to model because the behavioral data was so strong and I've always looked at different kinds of data, but I just think behavioral data is always the most powerful because people will even say things that they they will do and they won't do it. But if they thought before it's a much more likely we'll do it again or you know, someone like that that make sense. Yes, exactly put some adjusting and could you give us an overview of your career since those early days? What are some of the main stages and problems that you worked on until now sure so the first bank I went to was pretty small but my role was fairly narrow. I did get promoted to head of acquisition. So I Doing broader stuff, but I really love the analytics when I moved back East I was working in insurance and I really missed the credit data. So I eventually after a couple of years. I went to work for another bank in the Philadelphia area, which was Advanta bank and they were the pioneers of balance transfer and what they didn't do which I think is something everybody should hear is they didn't keep their data private. So the first bank I work for. Look who's Providian Bank, okay. They aren't around anymore their portfolio. I think is now somewhere in Bank of America but back then they didn't share their data with anybody. They didn't share it with their Isaac's they were really really private and I didn't know anything else but I was there but when I got to Advanta bag and I heard that they were sending their quarter file every quarter to Fair Isaac and then tries it was using advantages data to build models to sell their competitors and I was horrified eyes. Really, so I encourage companies and people working in these companies to keep your secrets if you want to maintain your competitive Advantage. So yeah after a few years Advanta, they lost their Edge and eventually they sold to Fleet. This was interesting. I was at Advanta and things are starting to go downhill. So I took an offer at Fleet Bank in Boston, but they had an office in Delaware which was pretty close to where I live at. And one of the things that was also really true then was that those of us that did this kind of analysis we all knew each other and we might have worked in one place together and then go on to different places, but everybody knew where everybody else was. So I would get calls, you know, do you want to come and work here? We need your skills. So that's kind of how I ended up at Fleet Bank friend of mine was there he worked with me before he said yeah, you know come on down and what I loved about fleet was they were mainly a regular bank, but they have this Tiny little credit card division. So we got to do all kinds of things and I really like that. I like the variety and I could get into campaign management and all kinds of other analyses then then Advanta a sea Fleet bought Advanta bank, but Advanta got absorbed into credit card system and that's when I started seeing how the human factor was so critical which really informs my work today, which I'll share a little bit later, but I saw how when People weren't informed about what was happening. There was a merger and acquisition the best people would leave and everybody else was so stressed that it really hurt the business and I didn't quite have the context back then but I could see that this was really not good for profits and it was hard on people as well. So I really got that very clearly and after bleep God Advanta. They wanted to put me in a role and I could see that I would just Stuck there just doing the same thing every day. So that's when I decided to just go off on my own and so I just formed my own business and started doing Project work, which was really fun because I could work for all different kinds of Industries. And that is something that I think data science has this really rich advantage in that tools and the processes are pretty set and there's new things coming in with machine learning at all of that, but they are really solving simple problems. The beauty is that you can do something in one industry and when you get into a different industry, you'll see a way or I would see ways when I was because I work for a Sprint and a couple of insurance companies and Energy company and I would be able to apply what I was doing for the banking and other Industries into this new industry and Retail was another example where they were pretty big especially catalogs used rfm, you know frequency. See a monetary value, but we could take back to take what I have been doing with much more precise modeling and blow those models away. So that's a really rich aspect. I think of data science is moving around in different Industries. You can really see things and make a difference. That's right. You can learn so much by seeing the different Industries is in applying the data science knowledge across multiple use cases and applications different gives you such a rich background and toolkit. Tell me how did you find it starting your own business going into Consulting for yourself? It was challenging at first. What I decided I was actually working for another company doing sales for about a year before I went on my own and during that time. I would go to trade shows and be in the vendor Hall trying to sell analytics which is very hard to do because it's not tangible and back then a lot of people didn't really know what it was and then They said oh, well I heard about so that wrote a book and then they had all the business they wanted so I thought okay, maybe that's what I should do. So I looked around actually SAS had asked me to write a book, but I I knew I didn't want to write estas book. I wanted to write more of a marketing book that would be applicable to several any kind of software. So I contacted Wiley because I saw that they published a couple of books on Data Mining and I got through to an editor and he goes, yeah, we want to do it. I think I sent him a white paper. So they knew I could write and they gave me a contract and that's when I wrote data mining cookbook that book became a best-seller really quickly because there wasn't anything else out there the other reason I wrote it was because back if you remember I was saying how I would do all this work to get variables to be linear and I also figured out other ways to make the models better using waiting and all these things and I was using a lot of creativity in my model building and I remember Speak at these little conferences and people would push back like, oh, you can't do that. I'd say well, you know, once the data gets large enough, all the rules are gone, and it makes my client money. So they don't really care by breaking any rules statistical rule. So that's one of the beauties of Big Data may as well. Yeah. It's like this is you always hear that institutions caution us about multicollinearity. That's actually more critical maybe in a medical model where you're trying to say. Separate all the factors want to predict just always gonna have a heart attack or something like that. It's important. But the way I develop models I use selection criteria that just mitigates any kind of multicollinearity anyway, so and today I mean most people don't even know what's going in the models. I just know that they work and they're the black box or quite messy if you try to look at them, so that's all right. Do you feel bad that people are taking no I like it. It also speak. To what I feel is the other really critical skill that people have to have today and that is when we develop analysis the models nobody really knows if they were so we have to think of ourselves as leaders and we have to make people feel comfortable with it. And when I develop a model I will always do sort of an out-of-time sample to try to prove it works they on a different time period so that I'm comfortable that it will hold up but being able to explain Lane that and also sell people on the benefits I always say don't tell people what the R square is or any other statistical stuff just say if you use this here's how much money it will make or here's how much money will save you or, you know, talk about it into dollars and the dollars themselves and make people feel comfortable with it and lead them as though we're leaders here. We are thought leaders in this field, right? We are I really like that approach to help people essentially non-technical. Business people to see the value and the benefits of data science by putting into the benefits into the dollars. But also I assume that you are quite careful about putting things in plain language or being able to explain things clearly to non-technical people. Do you have any tips that you use or any approaches that you could share on that relationship building or explaining data science to non-technical people? I think just perhaps listen to what their goals are. And what their concerns are and try to speak and show the results in a way that alleviates those fears or addresses those concerns and I think data visualization helps some graphs are usually easier for people to absorb, if you know gains chart or something that is very clear that if you're going to use a model or machine learning more statistical model that they can study the gap between that and maybe not using it. What is that equate to in dollars? I do think dollars or if you're cutting say a model might be cutting risk, then that can also translate into dollars, but it might be a little bit different conversation. That's really good and tell me what happened after you wrote your first book. I think you came out in 2000. Is that right? Yeah, I think it was 2001 when it was published. That's the publication year. It might have been out the fall of 2000. Yeah. Well, so it immediately put me on this. International stage and it was fun. I was traveling and speaking and I really enjoyed it because it was so new for people and then after a while so there were these conferences like the DNA and CDM or national Center for database marketing. I don't know the reason around anymore. The dma was a direct marketing Association. I think it's combined with something else. Now. I was always on the shortlist. I could put in a proposal for analysis of doing them. Modeling talk let's say and it would get to accept it and I started at the around that same time was when I was feeling the pain of the human skills being so needed and so I started pitching topics to these conferences on the value of good communication for managing change or the importance of creativity and analytics things like that and they would often take all of them and maybe some couple times. They asked me to do half day workshops. So I put something together. It was really fun, but I wasn't able to really monetize it and they tell you a little bit but I couldn't really make a career out of it. So I did that for a few years and then I sort of just cut back and started doing more research into the human factor around this fast changing global economy. And that was the birth of the second book. I wrote I did a keynote actually at the SAS conference called business intelligence success factors and had a publishing asked me to write a book and by then they were partnering with why? Really good published my first book so I wrote cat that came out in 2009. And how was that process of writing a second book compared to the first one great question. First book was a complete brain dump. I did not have one reference in the whole book was just what I did the second book the business intelligence success factors book was a lot of research is very academic and it was designed to take someone who has a critical thinking model. Mind into an argument for treating people. Well, so I went into evolutionary biology and quantum physics and all the things that we can actually see that we're this big energy field and as we work together that affects us either negatively or positively so that was really fun. And I remember a specific thing. I love dry. Read this book by Kevin Kelly who started Wired Magazine. I think the book is called out out of control and he Those chapter in their called Hive mine, which was about this event that took place at a gaming conference where they had a whole audience working together to affect the paddles on the screen. I think they were playing ping-pong on the screen where each person had a paddle and they could flip it to be either better black. I think it was and then these cameras would pick it up and adjust and they became this field kind of like we see birds and fish that swim in a pattern that you know, they're connected somehow even No, they're not physically and so we can do that as humans. And I thought that was so interesting and I see that now there's models for business. But holacracy is one of them where you're invited to show up in service to this base that's created by the Gathering of the people that it's bigger than the sum of the parts. That's what quantum physics is saying. So I love that and I also feel like everything linear is being bought. Native if you think about just the power of models now and how what you can do and really if you get the data in properly and you know what's going on and you can interpret the results. You don't need to know that much in the middle anymore. So it sort of speaks to the earlier discussion about making sure people feel comfortable but it's also then makes those other skills even more important because the actual development being commoditized and it also makes the data piece more Important so I remember surveys 15 20 years ago where they would ask people developing models. How much time do you spend actually building your model and how much time do you spend getting the data ready? And it's like 75 to 90% of the time is spent preparing the data and I would say that's probably even a higher percentage now because modeling is so on dated exactly. That's true. And you said that data helps in organizations that are decentralized like using Percy could you tell me a little bit more about that how does data assist in that Temple management style? Well, I wasn't necessarily saying that data was assisting it's more of a concept of seeing a group that shows up to work together. The holacracy is a model for doing business and I think too that goes is using it now. Yeah, we're people take on a roll. So it's more of a model and a style of meetings and things that's very agile and in that Context I would say data being fed back as to the efficiencies of any of these processes could be useful for improving that the way holacracy works. But the point about holacracy is that it invites people to show up in service to a greater cause than just themselves, which I think is what we all should be doing more of these. Yeah completely great and that's in Zappos or the about suppose. That's the first time I heard about holacracy in the sense that they're having. Decentralized management where people fluid with their roles and then they choose to work wherever they feel that they can add the most value and I think they had a transition period where the CEO said if you don't want to work like this this way that we have coming up. We will pay you to leave and and know essentially but I think I first heard about that when I think the Zappos do the transition and maybe 2014 know something around there. I probably heard about it 15 your book is from 2009 and you have a chapter on micro see how How did you how did you come across its early on well had to remember because I was in the Philadelphia area and Brian Robertson developer of it lives there. I guess I was at some kind of Workshop but it wasn't database. It was more. I love personal growth stuff and I think someone mentioned it and it just intrigued me and so I sought it out and met Brian. I went to a little gathering at his house probably in around 2008 and decided I wanted to get certified. I'm actually certified in holacracy. I think it was the 30th person to get certification. I haven't used it a lot. So if I really wanted to start using it and I may do this I would probably need to go get a refresher but I was so impressed with the efficiency. It really allows one to manage a meeting and deal with things that are often difficult like side conversations things like that in a very respectful but efficient way and then of course like you were saying that people show up they might have a few of their own accountabilities and what role are they playing today? And Brian would often show up as CEO, but he'd have a bunch of other roles as well. And I was on the team for a little bit helping them get their marketing out as well. And I'm just so happy with how well they're doing. So, I think it's a nice model for where I think few business is going to go in the future. Why do you say that that it's a good model for where business is going to go into the future and it's a great question. Thought about it. So because with the speed of change companies have to be much more agile. And what holacracy allows is knowledge and wisdom to come from everyone. So think about 75 years ago, maybe farther back the companies could be very top down the CEO would make every decision everybody that worked under him if it was manufacturing chances are he could go and take over any job in the company and do it. It today we have all these different pressures. So first of all, everybody needs to know how to use a computer and I would argue almost everybody and every company is on the computer at one point or another during the day. So everybody's a little more skilled, which makes them more valuable and less replaceable. But the other thing is the markets being Global and just changing so quickly companies need to be able to adapt much more quickly. It's not command and control anymore. It's sense and And the way you can see that the way it's worked was well one example, I think people can relate to is after World War II Deming was one of the scientists that really understood this kind of quantum system and he wanted to come to the u.s. And help redo Revitalize manufacturing and the u.s. Didn't want him. So he went to Japan and help with the car companies and what he did was he set up all these small teams where people could make decisions really quickly and improve things. As without having to go all the way up to the top and back down and that's why their cars were so good for a while. They were just outperforming everything in the u.s. Right? So the US has taken on more of that but the companies of the future are going to have to be so adaptable and be able to turn on a dime and it really speaks to why smaller companies can grow and be successful quickly where a lot of the bigger more Legacy based companies have such a hard time. I've talked to people in the insurance industry. I won't name. Games, but there's a futurist companies that just cannot get out of their own way and they're very siloed and it's just really hard to be agile. And I've had it when you're siloed when you have internal competition. It's a really redesign of the whole company. So the what I love about holacracy is that it's very agile and it can make adjustments quickly to how the company operates to really keep it current for. Whatever is the latest competitive threat to any business. That's exactly right. And what do you think about the balance or I guess is there a need for balance between complete autonomy from everyone in their own work and the command and control style where the strategy of the priorities are being centrally worked on and maybe centrally dictated. Do you see that there is a need for balance or do you think that the more autonomous models like collector C is what's needed into the future because I really do think it's a balance. What holacracy does is it creates teens so there is a place for a decision to be made just individually, you know with autonomy, but it's a very specific situation and then you are held accountable for it and you have to have reasons that make sense and you know you it's okay to make a mistake, but that's something you want to be smart about and then the balance I think comes from the fact that people can create teams to get something done. They don't have to go. To the top. Let's just say a company is in some industry like a technology industry. They see a threat coming from a competitor. Maybe there's a new type of product. They could just create a really create a team find people that have the time and interest and talents to address that threat come together create a solution. Maybe it gets handed off eventually to a broader production team, but those kinds of things have to be balanced. So I don't think it's even predominantly autonomous. I think it's more. This self-organizing quick changing agile teams that deliver a result and then maybe revise them sell for this band and move on to something else. All right, instead of having a fixed role and fix title where you can have some varying demands on your work. It's more flexible teams around projects and and outcomes that make sense. That's really good. And I'm so curious. I have to ask about the transition between your two books your first worked the data mining. Cookbook I love how it was very clear very well structured and went through all the stages required in data mining in order with great very clear explanations and excellent applications including Chris the End and You Begin applications for the web and before that you look at churn risk making sure that your models are accurate and valid. So it was a technical book and then on your skin you cover communication collaboration innovation. An adaptability leadership. So my question is how was that transition for you between the first book and the second book and before you did that keynote at the sales conference about the success factors for business intelligence what led you to to focus on these topics. So then you cover it in your genome and book. So I mentioned earlier how I was seeing this damage to companies when people were in fear right with all these positions and mergers. Sirs, I just saw how people suffered and I knew how I suffered and I was in fear sometimes so I just felt like that spoke to me. I also mentioned earlier that I wanted to go into social work. So I always had this fascination with human psychology. I continued to study that on my own and I've been into personal growth and all that all my life and it was funny when I first got into the corporate setting in San Francisco that very first credit card bank. I love the work but the culture was very feared. And I really felt almost traumatized like I didn't feel safe to share who I was and what I did then as I sort of separated that side of myself that is Two Worlds. I felt like I lived in and then right before I started right when I started doing the talks at conferences on these human skills. And then when SAS invited me to do keynote I said, I'd love to put all these together and just do an overview and they said great and then I got invited to write the book. It was like I started seeing how my two worlds came together and how the data and the Technologies was driving this rapid change that was creating the need for the humans bills. And the more things get automated the more the human factor matters. So I said, wow, I can now start really writing about stuff that I enjoy and that's much more interesting to me. Actually it's funny. And so that was the birth of that book and I really Of doing the research and the writing and I kept it very academic. So then that's kind of how that came together. It's fantastic and why do you say that as more things are get automated the need for human factors is more prominent. It takes away time from being just in the analytics for one thing and then it's also making things so much more complicated that trust really needs to be built, you know job good deep trust you need to be able to communicate. You need to care about people there's a lot of research on Compassion or care for people your mirror neurons actually sink off in your brains. So all these things become more important as our that's the work we do get some more sort of cryptic and siloed or not necessarily silent but harder to understand maybe it's it is kept to a few people who have the skills to do data science. So in that way it's silent, but it's also more and more driving everything in the business. Bunnies that are leveraging analytics in many many areas. Now if people are even using it in Human Resources, this is really changing the nature of business. And with all this power being put into these pockets of modeling and data-driven actions. It really speaks to people being able to communicate and trust and understand what's going on and a lot of times. I remember years ago. I would listen to people in marketing and IT try to talk to each other and they spoke So completely different languages and they didn't have the same goals either and that still goes on in a lot of companies that I've noticed but they have to be brought together. And this is where companies that can coordinate kind of like holacracy allows for a common goal for the company. So everybody can buy in and then do their part is really speaks to that need for the human skills. And what are some ways that you were Commando that you have seen to bring the Two Worlds together if we think about same marketing and IT or more And data science, how can we get people speaking the same language and come together? Well, that's sort of my work now and just to fill in a little bit. I did the Consulting from say 19 2001 respect 2003. I guess I went on my own and then wrote that book in 2009 and decided to kind of sink back in and just do research more research and work for I just got a nice Contracting. A job with a big client so that I could focus on my writing as well. And I knew that something more heart-based was what I wanted to write in there, but I did have this fear like if I come out with something really soft people would discount me, you know as some like or whatever. So what happened is she coming. Six months background. Alright. Yeah, I think it was around 2013 maybe SAS reached out to me and said would you write a book around date of Enterprise guide Enterprise Miner and I knew I didn't want to write it but I knew that if I wrote about it, if it would make me more relevant my credentials would be updated. Let's say so I wrote that book but one thing that I insisted on was having a section at the end of each chapter called notes from the field where I talked about the importance of Leadership and the human skills and all these things to look out for and to be knowledgeable. Well that book ended up winning best of show at the Carolina technical book competition and they said it was because I am I anticipated the needs of the readers. I have to believe it's for it because of that part of the book so that really validated to me too that there was a yearning out there and you know this kind of personal growth spiritual seeker, and I was getting in my meditations that there is a yearning it's like what What I was going through 25 years ago or whatever early 90s this want wanting to connect with people and wanting to have more of the human factor being nourished in the organization. I didn't know back then that would actually help the company but I do think it does. So I spent seven years working on an outline for what I just published last fall which is called love at work and it's taking compassion and caring which is one of the definitions of love in Wikipedia. Showing and there's all this great data on companies that use compassion and caring and how it helps profits. So I approached it from the data science aspect. There's many books out there conscious capitalism, you know, all these great things that speak to the choir. I'm trying to reach CEO's that may just turn their back on the concept of being loving but I'm saying well, if you do this, if you can hold your nose and just treat people better you will make more money and then Ni My Hope Is that it'll help them perhaps either value in it and maybe over their own lives if there's a chance of that so that's kind of where I am now, so I published love at work and then I just published the workbook couple of weeks ago called the love of work method and in that book. It's much different. It's not as academic the first chapters a bit academic with the then I go into research of evolutionary models and how really people are changing and wanting more of this just in general. I see Millennials and younger people For wanting more part in their work, I think and then I go into my personal story a bit of what I'm sharing today and how that all informed what I'm doing and how I feel like all of us want to show up and be seen and heard for who we are not just what we do and connect with people deeply and how that helps to company. And do you find that that's I harder sell been the outcomes organization like holacracy. Do you find that I said she being nice to employees. Hello. Many people do or encouraging people to bring their whole self at work and be accepted for that. Is that a more typical? So as a message out there for CEOs and leaders today. I think it's a little bit challenging as a to sell because it's a different conversation than people are used to but what I have found and on my website, I have an invitation which kind of speaks to this yearning to be seen and heard at all this stuff when people read that that it resonates a lot and I think That threw a little survey I did on LinkedIn where I was asking people to comment on whether they felt of course on deep Connection in the workplace would be valuable or how to manage change or what does any leadership look like and people I find are interested and I get a lot of great responses. So I don't have anything that I can show statistically but I am going to start launching these courses in a couple weeks and at that point, I'll get a better idea. I'd be able to answer that more succinctly. Lee it's great work and thank you. Thank you for noticing for putting it together for getting it out there because it's definitely what we need out there in the world today. They're saying the business world and in your book, how did you make the case for Love at work? There's a lot of research out there that shows how companies to do sort of specific things for their employees and how profits so there was a Cough firms of endearment that has some great research in it. I encourage people to read that and a few other books. There was also I did a radio show on Vice America for a year and a half called Quantum business insights where I interview people who are doing interesting things with new business models and I had a foul on who talked about Campbell's Soup and how their stock was just their stock was crashing and so they hired to some consultant to come in and he took about six months. And he did all this research and he did an employee satisfaction survey. He did that in the beginning and I think the actively engaged number was about 13 percent which is really bad. So I think somewhat engaged was for you 45% So it was really bad. Most of them are not engaged and after all the research he did he came back with his simple stead of Justin that each manager would speak to each of their direct reports. Least once a day and just say to them. How are you doing? There's what's going on with the business or me or you know the team or whatever and then is there anything you need to get your job done that's it and within nine months the satisfaction rate went up into lid 80s and their stock started to reverse and there was no other expenses related to it. It was just such proof to me that at a certain point people don't want more money. They want to feel good. You know, they want to Be appreciated, right so it's so simple and yet it's white powerful. That's one of the things I love about it that it needs simple and so powerful and I think that what is sometimes seen as polite dealings or taking care of people sort of outside of work that doesn't always translate into the way that businesses are building and organizations are rent. So having this is I think fantastic. Yes. I'm so happy and so grateful and so excited. You're doing this. This is your mission. Well, thank you and I will also say that the research shows that people who have these better experiences at work go home happier and it actually improves family life as well and you know community and maybe the World At Large so interesting so interesting and where would you like to see this going? I had one person that reviewed my book that said, this should be a course in every MBA program. I would love to To see this kind of thing taught and I think a lot of people are wounded they bring their Wills in especially as a leader, you know, it doesn't serve them well, and we could get much more out of people is they were valued and encouraged to take risks. So I want to have courses available online and I also think portions like this taught perhaps differently different cities could really benefit companies perhaps organizations companies could bring courses like this. Into their actual location and do whole groups of people training around each communication and Trust of all that stuff. Wow, and what drives you to be doing? Not only this work, but all the work that you've done to your career. What is the engine that moves you because I love that one of the things that you said before was that you got a contacting role with a large firm so you could focus on your right leg and I was they do what people do only one of those yeah. I really feel like we are born with a purpose and that's what drives me. I feel like I'm going to be accountable for getting this out there, you know before I make my transition and I love it. And I know it can have impact and I feel like my earlier career which was really fun and I learned a lot was to create the credibility that I need to actually speak in these terms today to say I know the way your mind works and what you're struggling with and I'm here to say this is Is going to help so that's kind of what drives me is. I feel like I'm showing up in service to the greater good and whether it gets any recognition in my lifetime is not important. It's just my by evolutionary urge to create this knowledge and get out there that is a big coal. So if it always requires self-awareness and a little self introspection, I think that's what you were saying about the spiritual side coming out. In those decisions or as you were explaining to us your decision making of know making a career in the typical sense, but chasing and forging your own path. So, how do you describe or how do you describe your mission? And or you're calling today? Well, so before I do that, let me just say that back in the 90s. I was doing I was meditating and I was really under a lot of stress in the corporate world. And I just was asking like why am I stuck here? I just hate the culture and I got this message. This is where you need to be to learn the skills through your real work and it was another 12 years before I figured out what my real work is and so, I'm sorry. What was your question again? How how did you have the patience during those 12 years to continue working extremely hard knowing that your real work would come after that. What kept you going through those time? That's a great question. I think I was too so my husband's health started to fail and I was the main Breadwinner. So I had three children. I had to keep making money for that and I as much as maybe I could have been somebody give me a million dollars. I could have had an easier life, but I know that that pushing of myself was where my growth came and so I really now can look back and see that it all made sense and that I wouldn't trade where I am now for anything even No, I've had lots of challenges. I feel like we all have those and we can learn from them. They're not failures. So that's what inspires me. I'm happy that you used the word failure there and your case. What was something that at the time might have looked like a failure. So an apparent failure of the time that then LED you to Greater success down the road once early in my career. I got promoted way over my head or am I It's been my experience level. I was older when I got into the world for her world. So I think that was one of the reasons I got promoted and then the company had no support. I want to HR and ask for some training around what I needed to do and I just didn't know you're on your own. So what I got from that was I had some fear of being promoted and when I went to my next job which was much more data Focus completely. Then they wanted to promote me after a year. I said no I didn't want it was really funny. This is you know back in the early 1990s. So then my manager said to me, well, you don't have a choice and he basically said you're going to head up this team of Alice and it really was great because I knew what they were doing and I was much more knowledgeable about the whole thing where the earlier promotion I was managing all kinds of stuff that I'd never touched before and I was also a Overwhelmed with what was going on in my personal life. I can forgive myself for the first one but first maybe failure but I also saw companies that don't support people and when they need it are losing Talent, so I might have done fine if I could have gotten a little support which speaks to this need to nurture the human in the business not just what they do, but who they are. So it all kind of made sense later incredible and how would you describe your Or calling or your mission now, I want to use data and logic to prove that nurturing and supporting human skills nurturing skills competencies in business is good for business good for people good food fantastic as well. We need to hear you say that because that just confirms it even more. So, thank you. 100% that is exactly what is needed in and you know, this isn't in my career. I've definitely felt that Duality that you spoke about before that. You're one person outside of work and at work you have to pretend to be somebody else and I think people are tired of that. I know that I definitely got tired a lot and I want to do find ways to break free from it. And so the longer you go back in time, then the more extreme those measures had to be you know the for you to break free from it but with With work like yours, it means that the situations are improving to then but then hearing that you're bringing in the evidence behind it that to say if we are nice it actually leads to better businesses and Better Business results and outcomes. That is something that's going to get the interest of the people that need the can make the change. So that's that's why I'm so excited about these companies that are doing Well at the moment and you don't necessarily need to name any names, but can you tell us a little bit about the types of things that they might be doing? Well and things that you would like to see more of in companies. Sure. I'll do this tonight. I was just thinking about this. Anyway, I'll put in a plug for my friend Steve Barber. So somebody that heard Steve Barber speak of mutual friend texted me one day. He says you have to check this guy out. So I went onto his website and he teaches this thing called Extreme leadership and he is Just coming out with a book. It's in pre-order right now called love is damn good business. So when I heard that I just thought I have to go to this conference and need him and everybody else. And so I did I went down in February and it was amazing and they had a bunch of speakers talking about how they had used. Steve's process is called Leaf. It's called love energy accountability and proof and he goes into corporations and uses this process the first that way Is love so you know, it just perfect for me. And so I'm actually going to certify with him in October. So at this conference a couple companies spoke of using it and I don't remember the smaller ones but one that was significant is American Greeting, which is big car for company, right? They do green cards and the CEO was there talking about using love and of course the other aspects of being accountable and things to change the culture and there were many people they're from American Greetings and they a lot of them spoke kind of totally or on stage about how everybody loved coming to work every day and just that unleashes creativity which in that kind of industry would be huge. So they launched a bunch of new green card lines that they're doing it and they're making it profitable and it's very exciting and that's in an industry that's seen as being in trouble in terms of greeting cards is not is not That you think of when you think of areas that sales are on the rise. And of course they do my line now. Yeah the big problem so that the fact that there is fantastic that is outstanding and you tell me a little bit more about the courses that you have to come here. Sure. So the first one I'm going to launch is called Deep Connection in the workplace how to create the connection at workplace and I'm finishing up a eBook that I'm going to use to just invite people to think about it and that'll probably go out and it's bleep. And so this course will have four modules and it just will help people understand the importance of connection and why it matters at work and then really how to do it in the workplace how to be safe and know how to transfer stiff occult situations where you know that you can create connection and maybe where it's good to not attempt to create connections things like that, right and where can people Find you online and find more about your upcoming courses and work. So my website is www.pevs.com a PR for Harvard dr.com. I have the courses there in general, but I'll be putting more up in the next week probably and I may even move to a different platform. But if they go there it'll eventually get them to the location of courses and please sign up for my email list to get up-to-date offerings and I know what's going on. That's incredible. I'm all include that the links in the show notes and Olivia. This has been such a pleasure. This has been truly outstanding before we go. I just have one last question for you. Yeah, and I wanted to ask a takeaway that you would like to leave the listeners with what is something that you would like to say to them about the they can think about in their career or their decision making into the future. Oh good. So one of the things I do, Didn't mention although it's kind of there is the importance of your intuition and I think when we get in touch with our deepest self, which may be what were drawn to be more human at work is really to happen to that think about how important intuition is and how you can actually use it in analytics and I've done this and I will have a section in my course on intuition. So that's just something I would encourage people to look. Into more faith and just to say a lot of top-level CEOs may not speak of being intuitive or using intuition, but they all talk about how they have a gut feeling and it's the same thing. If you have a good I feel about something learn to go with it and practice tuning in and testing it cuz it's a very powerful place and it has knowledge that our left brain can't quite grasp so that together with the critical thinking brain. It's just so powerful. Thank you. Thank you so much. Or sharing all your knowledge and insights and wisdom. Thank you for the work that you're doing. It's been an absolute pleasure having you on the show. Oh, yeah. Thank you and thank you for the work you're doing you're helping I could see by the questions you ask and your interest that you care about this stuff as well. So thank you for your work. And I've been my pleasure to be all your guests today amazing. Thank you so much Olivia that brings this episode to conclusion. Thank you so much for listening. Please find us on data futurology.com or on Facebook Twitter LinkedIn or Instagram as that of a Trilogy. Also go to data futurology.com forward sighs forecast to find the show notes for this and any other episodes. If you liked this episode, it would mean a lot to us. If you could leave us a review wherever you listen to our podcast. I hope you enjoyed this episode and that it was helpful and valuable for you. Thanks again and you next time. I hope you enjoyed this episode and that it was helpful and valuable for you. Thanks again and you next time.

Olivia is an internationally known thought-leader, speaker, best-selling and award-winning author, and a data scientist who focuses on the interplay between technology, corporate leadership, and personal growth and happiness. Throughout her career, she has blended analytic tools and holistic organizational practices to deliver successful solutions for her clients. As a lifelong spiritual seeker, Olivia began to see patterns that revealed the importance of love as a driver of business success. In this episode, Olivia explains why she changed her major to statistics in grad school. Once she completed her degree, she joined a bank in San Francisco. Olivia built a model using logistic regression for the bank. It saved the company 17 million dollars a year in mail expense, making her an instant hero. Her desktop computer had a 500-megabyte hard drive when she was running SAS she couldn’t get into any other programs. Financial services had a vibrant climate for modelling because the behavioral data was so reliable. Behavioral data is so powerful because if a person has done something before, they are more likely to do it again. Enjoy the show! We speak about: [01:40] How Olivia started in the data space   [07:50] Data in the financial services industry  [08:50] Oliva’s career history   [13:35] Starting a consulting business  [17:10] Tips for explaining data science to non-technical people [18:30] Becoming a published author  [24:45] Learning about Holacracy   [29:00] Balancing Holacracy and teamwork  [31:40] Combing data and human skills  [40:20] The Love@Work Method [47:15] One of Oliva’s professional fails    [51:10] Using LEAP (love, energy, audacity, and proof) [54:30] Following our intuitions  Resources: Oliva’s Website: www.lovemakeityourbusiness.com Data Science Consulting: www.oliviagroup.com  My Big ‘Why’ - https://tinyurl.com/LOVENEWCOMPETITIVEEDGE LOVE@WORK now available at https://tinyurl.com/OLIVIAPRLOVEATWORK - A Silver Nautilus Book Award-Winner  The LOVE@WORK MethodTM now available at https://tinyurl.com/TheLOVE-WORKMethod What is your Corporate Love Quotient? Find out here www.corporatelovequotient.com  Oliva’s Social Media: Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/LoveMakeItYourBusiness/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/oliviagroup/ Twitter handle: #OliviaParrRud   YouTube: www.OliviaOnYouTube.com Instagram: Love.MakeItYourBusiness Now you can support Data Futurology on Patreon!

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Thanks. All right. Well, we're a day late getting The Showdown because I got back, you know yesterday when about 10? Yeah. Yeah, and I would have came right here. Actually. I know you were ready to be your waiter pre-round States this tier if you guys are ready. You know, yeah totally and then last week when I didn't even really know what time my flight was getting back here, you know, all right back home last week when we finish the show sure it was so how was it? How was your evening? All I want me was okay. It was it was a really as far as the reunions part and a lot of that is just the reunions of everyone getting together, of course behind the scenes like okay, that's funny. This was as soon as I walk in the hotel and by the way, Tampa, Calm down right see Pete Tampa, you know, I'm built for Minneapolis, but I grew up in st. Pete dampen. Okay, Warren and st. Petersburg, whoop-dee-doo cares, so I don't even know why that why mention that part but I did. So anyways, the driver picked me up the airport brings me the hotel and I check can and I'm just kind of tiptoe. And by the bar and all the sudden I hear Sean Whoa, man, you're the only one. On here that's been to rehab more times and me get in here have a drink with us. Whoo. Oh my God shit and I look over there's an H. There's Steve Austin Godfather Ricky Steamboat Medusa. It was anyways, it was a hell of a crew in there and they were having a great time and I really missed out right? Well, I was just like I just got off the plane. No coast to coast and even though I don't drink I still would have been great to hang on but first ya, you know, I'd never came back down and you know next day Austin's I hey man, what the fuck you keep papers for I was gonna say talk about being late to the party. But then you decided not to come down at all. Imagine that I feel like everybody be like what like this is happening down here in my hotel lobby. I'm gonna be there. Well, anyways, I saw It's got came up to the room and we just had you know shot the shit and set on a balcony and you know, did our things that we do and yeah, so it was it was to answer your question time. Excellent. It was a great time and you know, a lot of people didn't think you know, the actual robbery Union part was and there's some parts about that weren't ideal. Obviously we'll get into hmm. And I and also a little bit later. I don't know if I mentioned that's why I know I didn't mention it and it's got all be joining us. It would go gonna call man. And are we to call him one of the other will talk to him something. Yeah, he'll be in the middle of grocery shopping right? Yes time. Would you put that in the headline grocery shopping with some shopping with Scott. There you go. We're gonna talk to Scott because not just about their re-union, but you know, I kind of want to get into You know his weak at the PC. Hmm before before the reunions, like he was their performance center sure teaching a big man class. There you go. So we're gonna talk to him a little bit. But all right. In fact, yes being a big big men didn't NXT just debut a 7-foot guy the seven foot three. Yeah unreal. Yeah. Absolutely unreal, that's pictured insane. Yeah crap. What's his name again? Oh shit. I know he's with Stokely Hathaway. And yeah are the former Stokely Hathaway. Super good guy. Yeah, super sweet guy like you get matter of fact, it's like we got to tell him. Hey, man. Can you look me like, can you be scary is it Jordan? Jordan Beggin? Ya I'm not saying that probably quite right and I think you got it. Yeah. So anyway, yeah. Nice big ol giant. So hey, so what's going on in the East? Let's go ahead and get it into the news. All right, so we finally have the Since I'm the answers to the questions, we've been asking about aew and their deal with TNT. So they just announced actually before we went on air today. Here's all the information we know about their show. Alright, so the are going to be airing on Wednesdays as of October 2nd. So October 2nd two days before Smackdown starts up on on Fox on October 4. So 2 days priors on Wednesdays. The first episode is going to be taking place at the Capitol One Arena and Washington DC ticket sales. Or this will be announced on July 29th on social media and they also said they're going to be having to our weekly series shows 8 to 10 p.m. Eastern time. So now we know the time slot of that but here we go. Here is the name for their show their show is going to be called Wednesday night dynamite and kind of have an idea that might be the name of it. Well, we had the idea of the trademark. And that was earlier on like even before like a lot of their stuff show started happening. We already had like some trademarks for names and stuff like that. But basically they're going to be having shows different cities every week Nationwide. So yeah pretty exciting news. What are your thoughts? Great for us. Right right exactly. Yeah. Yeah, I'm just really really looking forward to see what they have to offer. And what a two-hour AW Television show live right right gonna look like right. So now what do you think that they have to do to make sure and because he obviously the first show people are going to win no matter what because of curiosity you name it so their ratings are going to be there especially for the first show or maybe even the first few shows, but what do you think that aw has to do in order to keep the fans? Really interested in what it is that they're doing because you know people have said like oh whether or not they're going to be a competition to WWE is really going to be put to Testaments once they actually start doing weekly shows. Yeah. And who was it? Oh crap. It was somebody was even talking about yeah. Okay, there's a big buzz now and shows are selling out, you know in 30 minutes or even 30 seconds or whatever, but you know, that's right now right, you know, and this is somewhat damn it was at Jericho and might have been Jericho, but he said, you know, that's because you know, there's a big buzz right now and like once everything comes out. It's not going to be like a bunch of sure 30. Yeah, we're still in the honeymoon. Yeah, kind of but the real test will be, you know, 6 12 18 months down the road. Yeah, and and that so I don't know I just I think it's important that I imagine are going to establish I characters and storylines right kind of like they do in a pilot an official. Yeah, they've got a good head start with the the pay-per-view events that they've done so far and that's fine for their for their base the fans but we need more than you know, I think some of the kind of like the lesser-known guys will be will be spotlighted on the weekly show and so we'll kind of will see sort of the midcard to lower card sort of fleshed out. We know obviously No, there there major names all that stuff. We've seen a lot of those what's really interesting to me and what will really be the test is how their lower card is fleshed out. Yeah, and because it's it when you've got a full roster, it's tough to balance everything out no matter what you know and make sure nobody gets overlooked or underused or you know, anything like that do we think that I mean, how big is our roster now by the way, they don't think well, I don't I don't know the exact number but I was actually going to ask you if you thought that their rosters had much depth to it because I still All kind of feel like you know, they have some they have some incredible Talent. You know, they have Darby Darby Allen they have Lucius or if they have jungle boy. I'm trying to like, you know, they have a lot of young guys that you know have been getting over at the show's mjf. You name them different different people, but I almost still feel like there needs to be more to sort of, you know, get people especially people that are maybe not casual are not wrestling fans are really just casual wrestling fans or maybe are just going to be like, oh there's wrestling on TNT. Let me You know, it's a sort of to gravitate towards that mainstream audience as well. Because you know, you're going to need those people that sort of pool the mainstream audience. So you're going to need those people with those really star Powers start their Stone has well actually in Jericho and Kenny. Yeah, I did but I'm talking about okay, I'm talking about people the mainstream are aware of the right, right and they're not really I mean Kenny's a big star but not like to the Casual people that are just kind of like You know peripheral wrestling fans, which it's important to grab those people of course. Yeah and in that but just Jericho Moxley. Yeah, unless I'm forgetting anyone child think I am but I think I think I only got Cody and Dustin and I mean their names that people know and right and I think that that's that's the challenge that they face in front of them is making those names that aren't mainstream into mainstream names now that they've got this coverage on TNT, you know people that are just flipping through the channels and we'll stick around. Week for like oh shit. I hope I see this guy again, you know know I'll be up just here. I'm really curious to see how different aw TV is going to be from you know, WWE shows right? It's actually a certain feel to them exactly and especially considering it'll be on the same night as an XT. It'll basically for all intensive purposes be going head-to-head with NXT. So I think they've said That they want their show to be a straightforward wrestling show. Now from the shows that we've seen their pay per view shows. We've seen that obviously they put on a straightforward wrestling show, but they also add a lot of different length segments and quirks and stuff like that. So now my thing is are they going to be more like a like a new Japan where it's like match match match for everybody like a little bit extra of both see I wonder how much backstage segment type stuff they're going to do or you know, or is everything going to be in front of People write exactly like all the interviews or you know, because that sad if there's weight different different, you know mindsets when it comes to because I know like I know some wrestling I know I'm not going independent level and and that like there's something that like to keep everything, you know done in front of the people, right? I don't know if that really matter is it just it's tough. I think I think it'll be a decent mix I think. I think I think what they what they tell me what they most likely mean is just an enhanced focus on the wrestling. So not necessarily no backstage stuff for promos, but probably a limited amount, you know less than what I think we're going to see a lot of a lot of excuse me a lot of character, you know, you know in her introduction of of characters. Yeah, you know, I'm good. Oh what a some work. I think you just reminded me of something when you said NXT because it And been confirmed it's just a theory right now that they might be running on FS1 correct Wednesdays. So now I'm not going to comment on that. But let's just say that that does happen. No matter what that will be taking a chunk of the audience against aw. Sure. Well, I think either way it'll be taking a chunk because even if it's just on the network a lot of people will tune in, you know, right when it's kind of first airing and I'll take that I'll take away from the from the live viewing audience but people you know, man exactly it's 20 to watch a 20-19. Yeah. That's what are they going to watch live? Right? Right. We're going on first. Yeah, absolutely. All right. Well one of the things that we should also throw in as well. Now that we're talking about this right now is that CM Punk has been announced as a headliner for starcast on August 31st. Now, we all know that CM Punk has been getting different offers from different Browns of the entertainment world to do this to do that. He's even talked about this with Ariel helwani about how he got like all these crazy offers when he first left WWE and people have been sort of waiting and wanting to What he's gonna do next and so this announcement of him being at starcast. It's raising a lot of questions as to whether or not this is any sort of signal that he's going to be coming to aw Etc. Should he be coming to aw, but all I know is that he is going to be having a one-on-one interview and he is also going to be having a meet and greet the same day with the fans and one of the things Conrad says that he's just always wanted to have CM Punk on at his part of his professional the score for for starcast. Absolutely and it's something I mean, I'm surprised he wasn't there last. You know, the first one actually and actually I don't know if I surprised but I will be surprised if he doesn't show up in aw, really absolutely and I've said this I mean, you know, you do the show at me and I mean you're you know, sure your more recent addition to the show, but I mean I've been saying this since since they announced a ew, but do you think This is the timing like right now if CM Punk is gonna go to aw. Let's say they're in the works and talks like that. Do you think it would be smart for them to like do it? Like now that they're going into this big, you know, they're all about to make their TV debut on TNT October 2nd. I don't know I wouldn't I wouldn't be surprised if he shows up on the very first right now the very first show that would be yeah and it'll definitely be a pivotal moment. If it happens within the first few no month or two something like that whether that happens remains to be seen but God. Yeah if that happened on episode one, that's that's a game changer. Yeah for reals and I can just imagine like because even though like we see it as a possibility and you know, maybe like, okay like we see that it might happen etcetera. I think that the fact that if it does happen, it's still going to be like, oh man like oh, this is real right bright and and talk about something that'll get mainstream eyes on it, you know. I think that all that will definitely do if that if that's what's ended what ends up happening. Okay moving on this our last tidbit of news is that Ring of Honor and the NWA have parted relationships as we know they've been sort of working together Nick out. This has been doing matches commentary Logano was doing the YouTube channel different stuff like that. So apparently according to pwn cider. Nick eldest is no longer on the August 9, roh summer SuperCard show and they have officially parted relationships. Everything's are really on good terms that sort of thing and a Billy Corgan also told pwn cider or according to pwn cider that he intends to put as energy towards producing a weekly Standalone NWA series after his Smashing Pumpkins tour is over. When is it over? I do not know I should check that but after the Smashing Pumpkins tours over bunch. I feel like to me like it was kind of interesting that you know, obviously that's you know his where his Fame came. That sort of thing but it almost like makes you think like is it like is it a back burner thing? Like when is that control gonna really like I don't think so. I don't think so at all. It's just you know, it's not his bread-and-butter and wa hmm, you know, I he he's committed to this and and that but he's got to Smashing Pumpkins to her that you know, select it goes into absolutely. Yeah 13 in the middle of a tour. Like that, right? Oh, yeah, it's totally understandable. Yes, I think sometimes isn't the most important thing but I mean, I know it's a wrestling show but because I think people would be saying the exact same thing if it were if it were opposite if he was like, yeah, we'll get the Smashing Pumpkins together for a tour after I do this wrestling show. Don't be like what the hell music fans. I think that I think roh benefited greatly from having NWA relationship. They might not have thought so but I sure did right and and Lagana is as far as they look around and goes does awesome like video content as well like the the series that they create an episode that they create are absolutely for. So awesome curious to see what they're going to do with, you know with Eli Drake because fan of his and I can would have been my Pick for NWA Champion 100 is right up there, right? You know, there was a couple guys and Nick was one of them too. Yeah, and I'm interested. Yeah, he's got a little program going on with James storm for the national time right now. That's I like the baby vase in that. Right? Right. Right, right. Seriously. Yeah, not only that out because I mean, you know, James is kind of like pull, you know, sure but he's not, you know, your conventional a be faced by any right there both that kind of Babyface where they try they Have that edge, you know, so it's tough. Yeah, it's tough to say but Eli Drake definitely is I'm a big fan of his and he's one of my favorite promo guys just as great business right now. So yeah. Yeah that's happening and then debate front. What else? All right. Well, that's pretty much it for our new stuff. Do want to go into our break. Yeah. Sure. All right, we'll go to break. We'll come back. Before we continue one of the ways we keep all these shows for you free is by our amazing sponsors. And today Spotify is one of our sponsors on Spotify. You can listen to all of your favorite artists and podcasts in one place for free. You don't even need a premium account Spotify as a huge catalogue of podcasts on every topic including the one you're listening to right now on Spotify. You can follow your favorite podcast. So you don't miss an episode premium users can even download episodes to listen to offline wherever they are and you can easily share what you're listening to with all your friends and following. On Instagram if you haven't done so already be sure to download the Spotify app and search for AfterBuzz TV on Spotify or browse podcasts in the your library tab. Also, make sure you follow us you never miss an episode of AfterBuzz TV. Welcome back everybody and joining us on the phone right now from the ATL. That's what they say these days the ATL. Here we go. Otherwise known as Atlanta Scott Hall. Hey, Scott. Hey, yo. Hey. It's been a while. Yeah. Wow. Hey, man, did you have fun Barry in the younger Talent the other night? I know I did. Well, I mean, we're the police they have to dig this up just a soft go out and bury their job guys. Nice day shit. That looks good looks good. So how do you feel about that? Because I mean, I don't know kind of felt like it was a bit of a burial on those guys. Well what people don't realize is everybody in that room when it was presented to us said well, gee like kind of burying those Johnson and it was it was addressed and it was overruled Embassy AB, that's okay. All right. Well, yeah, so I mean it's not like we didn't really like I mean we thought it and it's just like what are we gonna do say? No, we're not going to do it, right? Yeah. Yeah, but that time I mean gosh, I just want to go on early and be out. Yeah that if they stick they you know By the way, you guys are in the last segment to stand up there with the route 40 Legends - my favorite part of the whole experience was sitting in what they called The Legends lounge and just here and guys talk and laugh and I feel that the wrestling business today is so politically correct at even when the performers talk to each other. They're real guarded with what they say and stuff like that but in the Legends Lounge bunch of old timers like us that came up in a different era when you could talk to the guy using colorful language. It didn't mean you didn't like them. It's just how guys communicate and it's really fun to hear. Oh my gosh. Hey, how fun. Was it the scene H nature in the Legends Lounge like on his speed dial calling Lawrence Taylor going. Hey, here's Ron Simmons and connect connect and Lawrence Taylor and Ron Simmons and just you know, Derrick Brooks NFL Hall of It was naked get at the show. Yeah, the damn president. He had Parts Taylor on the phone that he had heard some Walker on the phone anybody and then they give you probably don't know who he is, but he brought Bad Bunny back into the end of the locker room or into the legends of dance. I shook hands with some kid with the pink. Mohawk the famous rapper. Not my not my area, you know, but yeah, welcome to the show. I mean if you're with Nate's you're cool. Yeah. So what you're saying is that we should we definitely missed. Out in the legend slams. That's where that's where the phone was happening. I said repeatedly young lady. I think they should had a camera in there. You can always bend it it out, but there was just so much laughing and stuff and they've been around Ric Flair these days. It's always been enjoyable but these last few days and you know, I'm not putting words in his mouth, but just my take on it since he's had that major Healthcare. He looks at life differently now, and it's not like he didn't enjoy life before. But he is completely cool with the point that it might in tomorrow. So I'm going to enjoy every moment of every day and when you're around somebody like that, it's got a bunk. That's it. Yeah, it's contagious. I get that. It's hard not to laugh and have a big huge smile on your face when you're around that guy these days. He's always laughing. I mean, you know, he became he'll like we talked about he'll be telling a story and because in his mind, he knows the punchline. Yeah. He just laughed. But we all laughed because he throwing her K and you just want to see Rick happy. I was telling I was telling everybody before you came on. Like I'm trying to sneak through the lobby to go up to my room and all of a sudden I hear Sean Waltman, you've been to rehab for times at me get in here with who you know, just I didn't have your funny man. I remember I remember when after we connected we ran go get something to eat and we went down the elevator and the bar was to the left and there was rigged. And Steve Austin everybody and we went I'm never getting the phone going Siri sushi near me. Yeah, we we left the hotel and went to retreated a nearby sushi bar. It's got like to be that hey, so I mean, well not speaking of that, but then you really are you really look great these days man, you sound great and and in the makes me so happy man, because I love you very much. Thanks buddy for me. You know, like I just finally realized that you know, I'm allergic to alcohol. I mean every time I drink I break out in handcuffs. No, it's just no I mean like, you know, like we talked about Over there just have three or four mmm, but I don't want to have three or four. I want to have 20 and I want to close the bar. Then I'm going to go to an app to your club and you know, so I just realized like just just stay away from the completely. I think me and you on your balcony solved all the wrestling process. It was I think we book I think we booked the WWE for the next five years we and what what you both go by on the river and I was telling these guys hate that was hate that that That time we spent on my balcony. I cherish that man. That was a great time. Yeah. That was perfect. Yeah, it was great and they go ahead sorry. No, I mean as I get older, you know, I just fix you all back you start to realize like Rick is realizing like, you know. You know, I've got a bunch of bumps and bruises. Well, I think we've all got some brain damage, you know, but if you ask me what I do it all over if yes, I would mmm knowing what I know. I still do it over it was a great ride and it's fun. I mean when you look at that list of alleges that was their raw mean look at all the guys who are for who weren't there? So many guys from are are are dead. You know, it feels like feels like sometimes we got to keep going for those guys. That's their memory alive, but we know we tell stories about them and there's still there's still part of our industry. Yeah. Hey, so it's got a wooden. I want to talk about your time at the PC before, you know, like leading up to the to the robbery Union because you were there for what a week. Yeah, it was great. I was actually you know what? I handle about 8 or 9 days cuz I went in early but I supposed to Triple H in the past about you know, let you know who's trading the big guys. So we had kind of a many many big guys Summit, you know where I got to watch films with the you know, the bigger guys men have one-on-ones with some of them and you know, even getting a ring and talk about their different movesets and what they got stuff and man, I'll tell you I went I saw this new kid they have Honor Jordan they were just talking about him. Big kid like seven for about 440 just a monster and he had to I was there for debut match and I got to produce it and it's just that connection, you know how it is. When you connect with a guy when he doesn't know anything and you teach him something. Yeah, and they come back to the curtain and then you you have a relationship with that person for the rest of your career kind of like those rocket was somebody in the ring. Yeah, even if you never have lunch together, you never travel together, but you could point across the Ben go all work for them. Hmm. Oh, yeah. I mean, I we all realized years ago. It's not show friends. It's Show Business. Yeah, we all don't have to get along we have to do business together. Hey, and the thing is this I'm sorry. Keep going fucking you know me. Sorry. Go ahead. It's going to say that kid Jordan. He's such a big guy, but he's so you know, he's young and he's got a big smile on his face and I was talking to some of the other coaches going college guy just doesn't have enough prick him. Yeah, you know, I Well, I go alone. So and Boyd went but when you know when I told my son, let me see your mean face and he just squinted his eyes a little bit and quit smiling. I want to lose. Yeah, I guess you know, he's going to be money and I love the way the all you know, the camaraderie that comes in our businesses and all locker rooms, I guess but everybody's you know, I kind of talked to the guys whose job it was to highlight Jordan and I said, hey man like you guys really Crow You putting this guy over here in the future. He's going to sell out Arenas and the whole company's going to make money and you guys are the start of it. You know, blah blah blah. I had my yeah, I had my pom-poms out. I was Cheerleading. Hey, so on the Big Man classic. Hey, dude, dude has a big man still work the same as he did in our heyday. Well, you know like I like I went through like big calves went to these guys are at the point and I don't want to work with the top guys. I'm trying to get the guys coming in the door, you know, so everybody goes through that thing. Well, I'm not just a big man. I can come off the top I can do that and I went through it so I acknowledge it but then I try to point out these guys. Okay, you don't do it that good and nobody wants to see you do. But I've tried to be kind about it because everybody wants to do it. Anyway, I like them to do it. We film it then come back and look at it and go now what do you think? Hey, so I think I remember you telling me back in WCW when Kevin was there when you both were there cat was doing LeapFrogs and shit. All right, brother. He did it it was I had Walter Payton in my corner at SummerSlam. We open the United Center in Chicago. Chicago so met with Walter in my corner versus diesel was Shawn Michaels in his corner and Kevin insisted on leapfrogging me then. Yeah. I remember I was so mad about it, you know, and we're all riding together. I was so mad about but I finally like okay, let's do it. Then, you know it was the first is the first and the last time you'll ever see Kevin match to that. Hey, but you know what he did do that was really good that flying shoulder. Older tackling that in that tag match we had on an action Zone. Well, that's what he did. He did LeapFrog flying shoulder, but then he stood there on his knees like so proud of himself and I'm doing this Shawn Michaels. I'm laying there scrape that guy I've ever met. All right. Yeah. I mean if I take the bump at least cover me, yeah. Hey, so do you teach Jordan different than you teach just your average big guy? I mean giant is different the big guy, right? Well, the thing is good kid. He's not really a Aunt he's really huge but I don't see any that giantism. You know that trait. Yeah, I think he's just a big guy. He's a big guy. I'd like to try to blend the two he's not. Yeah, I don't want to criticize you got the Big Show's of fucking crazy strong. Yeah, you know because of that giantism and it and this is just a big guy like when you have long arms and stuff, it's hard to lift guys over your head and press yes just bed extra distance and I don't think he's ever touched away before, you know, he's all new to this conditioning and stuff, but he bro. He's Remember, you told me Matt riddle. You send me the picture when you were down or said yeah, you draft pick. Yeah. Well, I'm drafting Jordan - Jordan. Yeah, so you were also a little of party little it so money. Hey talk to me about your interaction with him. You don't mind. Well, yeah, you know a lot was going on with PC that week, you know, Matt Bloom head coach and some of the staff they Were in Shanghai in China for you know International dry out? Yeah, there's like those Skeleton Crew there I said in one skull session was shown in the top then XT performers and then the next day Sean left for the UK. Yeah, but during that first meeting I guess there's a designated time because everybody else was there. Yeah, we start watching the thing riddle comes in a little bit late if he's so funny. I don't remember really ever meet them before. Or maybe I put it looked into it. Hey, bro, and I'm sitting at the table next to shot Bolin don't hug me when God is fair, but it's just like snaps with the I just I watched him for he had a match. What about 15? You never even had the ropes. Yeah, right. It was just and it was exciting. Citing just grappling and that's what I tried to point out to some of the young guys, you know after Sean left and I had some sculpt this is just you know myself and I tried to tell these guys like most of the guys running our company. Most of the decision makers are guys about my age. Yeah I said so you get I said you get a point for doing anything different I said we're going to it's going to be a column like never seen that before and you'll get a check mark. I said that's good, you know, like the I don't know. It's it's just so exciting that the night that Jordan debuted in Lakeland. I was so excited that I couldn't sleep and I got back. Hey. Hey, can you can you explain to everyone that's watching and listen to what the skull session is? Well, it's just where they actually do it at all levels. Now, they have different tiers of you know guys as they develop through the performance center system and and Shawn Michaels obviously working with the very top guys, you know that Adam Cole stuff like that. So it's where it had to one session, you know, we we, you know, we watch their most current matches back and everybody gives their feedback and then the guys it's kind of like wrestlers Court, you know, sometimes you get called out and you're here. Defend yourself and then we watch some stuff that you guys have done years prior. It was one of those things where you know, when you watch your old stuff some of it Go. Wow, I need to keep doing that or somebody you go out. I thought it was really good back then and I suck. So, you know, we did some old tape study and I try to remind guys sometimes go back and watch the old stuff it'll pump you up about you are making progress and it might remind you of some of the old things that you were doing that you need to hang on to. Yeah. It hard sometimes for those guys to hear that critique, especially if maybe it's something that they actually enjoy doing in the ring, but maybe they got called out for it or something like that. Well, of course it is hard. So my experience was I sat right behind the curtain at the live event in Lakeland. Now, we'd already had stole sessions with these guys during the day and kind of laid out matches for him and stuff. But to me when they come through that curtain, you know, they're you know your blood flowing you feeling good. Nobody got hurt and these guys got to stick around the whole crew sticks around breaks down the ring loads in the truck before they go home now. They got to break the ring down. Every time we land yeah, I just didn't want I didn't want to be negative with these guys everybody who came to us said hey way to go way to go, you know, and I figured the time to do the critiquing is because they do it. So regularly is in the skull session. I don't want to stamp on anybody when you're sweating in there feeling good and they got along right? I don't want him driving around going because suck. I suck. She I'm trying to find a fan funding fan that flame of creativity because I don't think these guys are ready for that. Critique right at Ya, were you able to teach promo class as well? I actually did I was so lucky one day the final day. I was there Friday before Robbie. What's his name? Rocku, 3 million dollar arm dude, right? Yeah. What's his name? Rincon sing some like that. Yeah, I'm saying. Yeah. Wow guys money. Oh, he's so money. We watched some of his moves and stuff and these days, you know, he's super respectful, you know, he comes in it was there early and it was just him and I so I could a so, what do you got you want any questions? I said, let's let me see your stuff. what stupid stuff that he suggested a can we do promo class and and I tried it, you know, I really made a connection with him because he was kind of running down is his background like, you know, I was in the Olympics. I was a Disney movie about me this and that and then he kind of shifted. He's got a good face and really intense eyes and you know, he went into the Hard Sell and I said I said just my experience. Nobody has the attention span these days. I mean what what number used to do two minute interviews now? Yeah, that's it is all people really. Attention to I suggested to him. You got to remember now the announcers going to run down your background. That's something that they cover I said you go in right to the Hard Sell and get out of there and bro. He I could see the light bulb flickering off his head and he had a notepad. He was right to step down and he's gonna coach goes. I got it. I got it. I could just psyched about rest of your next problem with that. Oh, yeah. Yeah. We'll be sure to tell these guys who helped you. To the the amount of like bigger interesting to me because for so long as him like there was this huge renewed focus on cruiserweights and now NXT is it seems like they're kind of filled with all of these really awesome. Guys, like keighley and Damian priest guys like that. What do you think goes into like being a successful big man in 2019? Well being big to start with I mean, I agree it has got a lot of guys like Ricochet who come to and been great. But to me, I mean when you look at by rates on UFC fights heavyweights always draw more mean there's always to me there's always been a place for heavy weights, but I don't think it would Buys it does jobs and jobs and yeah, that's generally speak and I agree with you that's got especially rustling. Hmm But it up. I came in what's question was now. Sorry about that big being a successful big guy these days. What do you think goes in are you I don't think I think that there was a period where there was only kind of little guys coming through the door. Yep. So I don't think it was a conscious effort where they were they rejected bigger athletes and only chose smaller Crews away guys. I don't think that happened. I think that's just kind of who who came along. Yeah. Well, there aren't a lot of her that mean there's just there when a lot to choose from right? I mean, that's really what that's just all that that's been out there in recent years. Well, then it's and it's like Scott was saying the line between like what cruiserweights do and what heavyweights do these days is getting more and more blurred. Hey, Scott. Yes. Hey, so so I guess people know now like that that are segment was supposed to be involving Ricochet right and like he gone, you know some staff on his elbow everybody know because yeah, you know, I'm not I'm not much on social media, but I was getting a bunch of you know, my God, they're holding, you know, or what Seth doesn't belong in there. Going yeah, we know that bro, but guess what cards up to chance? Yeah, and it wouldn't Ricochet was he was a man. He was so disappointed he want to do that so bad, right? Well, it was the perfect spot for him because he you know, we could have given the rub damn. Yeah, you know mean death is at a point where he's got his successful career on his own but I mean asterisk are subject to change. Yeah, you punch your haters. It was going to be Ricochet and we were trying to elevate him not hold him down. Down. Yeah, hope it weren't trying to steal Seth Thunder. It's what happened the guy who's injured stuff happen. Yeah bummer. I actually had two remaining questions for you about the PC in terms to the PC. Well one I wanted to know what the most impressive thing to you was there and to if you're looking to become a full-time trainer at the PC. The answer number two is yes, please most impressive thing down there. I think what I like and what I try to encourage and you know, is that all the other guys helping the other guys like with big Jordan ring where came up like green costume in the skull session because you just came out like jeans and a t-shirt on and this guy 7 4 4 40 And I've got into the day. I just ask the other guy at the other guys in the class. Like anybody got any comments on ring gear anybody anybody and nobody said anything and I gazed it right away. They're just being really respectful because he's a young guy we're all really sensitive, you know, and so then one guy said well, yeah, maybe next time just take your shirt off, you know, and so I mean it was just to me it's just like a little things like that. Just getting guys. Here's the part. I love the most is When the seed and coming back and seeing how it works. Um, hey, I enjoy like I said, I don't want the advance guys that want the guys coming in the door. Well, that's always been how you are. Right? I mean the top young guys coming in the door help help mold down. I learned that from Kurt. Yeah, you know, I'll never forget. I'll never forget I keep curse but in time with you young guys and back when they had enhancement guys, like job guys that you just squash court would spend time with them talk to him after the match and stuff like that. Give him my number. Yeah, he would do prepare him extra stuff. Turn out to be yep. Hey, so speaking of Kurt and taught and and and you know that type of thing, you know, one of the things he taught me was, you know, you got to get to know like all everybody the production people like all those people that you know Department because they're the ones that make you look like a star, you know, man curtain exactly. Right Kurt Kurt told me the same thing. I was there a little bit before you but you baby face the whole crew. He knew the lighting guys by name the ring. Ooh guys, and that's why I thought it was so cool last night when Steve Austin was doing his promo and talking about how his brothers and sisters and you know, we're all a family and then that did he include the crew. He said this guy right here holding the camera and this guy rolling up them cables and I'm guys driving the trucks were all family. Yeah WWE Universe everybody wants around the world. You got we're all family. Hell I was looking at my forearm. I'm getting Goosebumps getting them now. I mean, that was good. Up. Hey, can we talk about how huge his reaction was when he came out compared to everyone else? Oh my god. Well, it was really smart. And I mean Steve's over huge. Yeah, but it's thinks I'm he, you know, they advertised in there but you didn't see him until the very end. So people know it's going to be a last thing because you know, we saw flare arrived we saw Hulk earlier which teases the people and your Viewing audience keeps them entertained but that huge eruption, you know, it's just great and they say so they worked it worked 3.09 if I'm correct and it was the highest rated raw for 2019. Yeah, so thank you very much. Well, yeah, and I wish we could are the only problem I had is we didn't hold down and up guys. Yeah. It's a I want I wanted to get I wanted to bury Kofi a little bit or you wouldn't even there. I guess I have to we should we should have went to Miami and smack you on the ferry some of those guys. No shit man. Now that you mention it, I'm sorry. Yeah for me at the talent having been on both into this. I've been one of those young guys on the current roster. Yeah who was filling those Arenas and had the old guys come in and get the pops into oil. He's enjoyed it. I love seeing the old timers and catering and stuff. Yeah guys that you grew up watching. I always love that. Yep. So I think most of the challenge really don't have a problem. There's a few guys who aren't happy with your position that just bitch about anything but I think overall most of the guys are happy and it's in and we're in and out and hey, you're going into a pay-per-view and you had more viewers so shut up. Well anything else. Yeah. I actually wanted to ask you. so whenever they have these types of shows like whether it's raw 25 or raw reunions that sort of thing one of the things that's always brought up is your match with Shawn and you know, even now 26 years later which we did talk about that on a few weeks ago on the show, but I want to know with you your thoughts in terms of did you think that even now 26 years later people would still be talking and raving and just you know mentioning it Well for me looking back on it and then realizing how much you know kid would become part of my life. I just wish I would have refused to do the whole thing. And I've never seen that was graphic. I think I should have just said no and it was so cool, and it was huge for me. People are going well as really cool you, you know, you put kid over and you know, nobody nobody ever put little guys over before she like that. I'm going first of all these steps as hell. Yeah, but I said Mike it was great for me to know remember got older member Godfather asking if you fail to piss test I never you know, the man has been he got to walk up the steps and I know about it way in advance, but you know been said don't tell anybody so I didn't tell anybody. He went mad and you killed a piss test. I don't know what's going on man. I mean, I remember the look in people's faces in the audience. You know, WWE's Twitter account put out arguably the first shocking moment. Yeah, I don't know you you were right away. I was arguing. That was the first thing that really made it Feel Like Anything could happen on Riya. Yeah, it's know. Hey is everything you could be bent as catchphrase Monday Night Raw where Anything Could Happen out usually does it was really wrong. Right? Like it wasn't like this super slick thing. Like it is like it is now right? Well, I think the main thing when you know, We can beat this to death. It's not going to change but it was a one hour show. So basically about 42 minutes of actual reference programming. So it was must-see TV. You never knew was going to happen and you know live TV, we all take it for granted now, but that was really exciting back there like people at home we're going. Wow. It's actually happening right now. Yeah, that's a cool box now we just take it for granted. Hey, so Scott, I guess I mean we're going to probably wrap this thing up, but looking forward to seeing you day after tomorrow for 450th birthday party. Okay. Now your are you going up Saturday right tomorrow night? It's the 26th. So what day? All right, shit. Let me look at my ticket. I'm not sure. Yeah, Bundy. I'll see you up there. I love you. Hey, I love you too, Scott. All right, man. Everybody's going for everybody else. Hey, I heard it's good at your show is turning out people who end up on Vince's TV. Yeah, then you have step jump to Benson. Yeah there you you probably saw him down at the performance center Mark Tonica, John will cost. Oh, you saw I guarantee they're there every day. So you're stuck. You're stuck. You're stuck with the BT. Now now don't be out of here soon to go get picked up soon. You guys must really really get mad feel better. Bye guys. Love you. Bye. Alright, so yeah, it was awesome. Cool. That was fun. Yeah, you know, you know, yes, he's doing so good. It seems like it definitely it's always good to see and it's all about, you know, like having meaning like having a meaningful. Full like life, you know and like having something to look forward to every day and and not being fucking bored right now and liking yourself. Yeah, right, you know, so yeah then DDP Yoga doesn't hurt. Hey, so if we joke and we know we talked about, you know, holding down younger guys the sheriff all that but we understand what was going on. Yeah, you know and and that's not ideal and it's interesting to me that that concern was was voice. First they're sure yeah, I saw her very nice fucking guys dafuq because I guarantee you if that would have been us we would have raised. Holy fucking hell about right? Yeah. Yeah. We probably would have beat the fuck out of some old timers. Seriously everybody decide now, we're going to leave that my in fuck down honking us anyways, but I think the fact that the Mind look I don't mean to cut you off. Denise but I would I would have been just fine if they were got to me fucking carry me out of stretch out on a stretcher. Seriously. It was very very pumped when you came out of the ring. You look the most popular like yeah, you were doing this and I was like app shot looks very pumped right now. All right. Well, hey, let's get out of here. Huh? Before we go real quick. Sean your wits you're going to be at the Grave Digger SummerSlam at that with Scott Hall on August 2nd. 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People nowadays are looking for adventure. They may not have time to go away for six months or five months or three months or whatever. It might take to be on a long Trek and prepare for that's a North Pole Expedition from the coast. But you know the idea of these marathons is they offer modern-day adventure to people you you get to stand at the North Pole. But you also earn your right there by running a marathon and doing something physical. I think a lot of people want to do something like that.Hello and welcome to another episode of no Finish Line podcast featuring athlete interviews and discussion and running training traveling and adventure and I'm your host John Regan. My guest today is Richard Donovan of global running Adventures. Richard will be discussing the background of extreme events. He organizes such as the North Pole marathon and Arctic Ice marathon and World Marathon challenge given his diversity Richard his word. He of an entirely separate podcast which are mightier another stage to discuss some of his thoughts on the philosophy of ultrarunning the direction the sport and his previous roles as a director of the International Association of ultra Runners and head of ultra running, Ireland. He is also working those Delia you Trail World Championships at all running obtaining the force Global TV audience in the process. That was the trail World Championships held in Connemara in Galway back in 2011. And he was also race director for the First Commonwealth championships at both 100K and Ultra Trail, which was held in Wales. He additionally helped to launch. The force wings for life world run and was race director of the inaugural orange event, which is held in Killarney County Kerry and his That's not enough. Richard has also run across three continents on one several events such as the Himalayan 100-mile stage race and Inca Trail Marathon Richard has also shown himself to be a strong advocate for access to sport for people with disabilities and he's a big supporter of orange athletes attempting to qualify for the Olympics. His brother. Paul was a two-time Olympian and multiple NCAA track champion and indoor World medalist at 3,000 meters. Richard delighted to have you here and welcome to the podcast. Thank you. John the original. Can you explain to listeners? What is an extreme running event? Well in extreme running event, there's no set definition of us. But in my case, I organize marathons in extreme locations, I guess so Geographic extremes like the North Pole. I organized the North Pole Marathon. I organized the World Marathon challenge, which is seven marathons and 7K. Since and seven days, I organized the Antarctic Ice Marathon, which is the southernmost marathon in the world in Antarctica, and I organized a volcano Marathon which is the highest desert marathon and the world in the Atacama Desert. So many respects their Geographic extremes of sorts and there also, you know, you're testing Logistics to the extreme rear. Let's talk a little bit about the North Pole Martin because that must be one of the hardest to actually organize Yeah, the North Pole marathon is certainly not a conventional Road Marathon. It takes place on an ocean because the North Pole is situated on the Arctic Ocean at 90 degrees north. So you might wonder how do you run a marathon on an ocean? And it's probably the only certified marathon in the world that's run on water such as because of course, there's Frozen ice on the ocean. There's probably 3 feet to 9 feet of ice on the Arctic Ocean at the North Pole. So the logistics behind And getting people to get up there and actually run a 26.2 mile marathon are very very unique. So at the North Pole there's approximately six months of darkness followed by six months of daylight. So around the time of the Spring Equinox in March the Sun comes out at the North Pole and there's constant daylight 24 hours a day for almost six months. That's the time just after the Spring Equinox to organize a marathon at the North Pole. With all of this daylight plus it's just after the winter and the ice is robust enough for a plane to land on it. So a North Pole Marathon will always occur in early April that is the limited window a few weeks just after the Spring Equinox where it's safe enough for a plane to land at the North Pole and safe enough for people to run up there. And in my case, I work with a Russian logistics company who send up a helicopter from Siberia to Kate this piece of ice to build a camp and it's at this camp where the marathon is run. So essentially a helicopter takes off from Siberia, but enough fuel for one way. It finds the way it finds a piece of ice is that they look for a piece that's mature enough. They can tell by the color of the ice that this ice has been around for a year or two and therefore it should withstand the plane landing on it and it should last for the short polar. Season so once this ice is located at the North Pole and an illusion jet takes off an air drops a tractor and airdrops a tractor driver and some personnel and this tractor is used to carve out a runway on that ice on the ocean can just tell video per second when you say a tear drops attracted with that mean the tractor lands by Parachute. That's exactly what it means the illusion. It's a big cargo plan a Russian cargo plane andalucian 76 It literally flies over the pole in the region where the helicopter is landed it then airdrops this tractor to the back of it out of the plane and parachutes deploy lands on the ice and shortly after that. The tractor driver is thrown out as well with the parachute and his job, of course is to carve out this Runway flatten the ice and make it good enough for a plane to land on. So once this Camp is set up this happens over the course of just a few days. It's a remarkable human achievement by the Russians in fact and logistical achievement. There's nothing at the pole before this and suddenly there's a tractor there are carving a Runway. There's some tents being erected and some people there and that is the location for the North Pole Marathon. What happens from a competitor point of view is I meet competitors in svalbard which is an archipelago off the coast of Norway and they don't have to parachute in there. They fly. Why up there on an Antonov jet. It's about a two and a half hour flight. We land on the ice that has been carved out by this tractor. I set up a course at the North Pole. It's normally a looped course of possibly 5K that people do a times or maybe it's 4K the people do 10 times, but I set up a course there we run the race at this camp and then we get out of there within 48 hours. It's very military-style operation. The reason again the difference between it and a conventional Road marathon is we don't have to worry about traffic management plans air traffic management plan might be too worried about our polar bears in the facility for example, so that's why we keep we keep a looped course multiple Loop course rather and of course, it's extremely cold and I think three of the last five or six years have been about -40 Celcius, which is the same. As minus 40 Fahrenheit, so that's pretty chilly. So people have to dress appropriately for that kind of weather and we keep the course of the same multiple Loop course so that you know aside from the danger of polar bears. It's important to give to monitor people in this race because of the possible impacts of hypothermia frostbite and other unique things to a cold weather environment. And of course, there can be breaks in the ice. Ice because we are on an ocean. Sometimes there are what's called leads which are essentially when the I separates and you can see the ocean below and so we want to avoid those kind of obstacles when people are running because I prefer it's a running race and not a survival race. You mentioned you flew in from svalbard is any reason why use travel from svalbard when the crew travel from Russia? Yeah. I mean if you if you were to go to Russia, it probably faced a lot of bureaucratic and these obstacles whereas Svalbard is the northernmost possibly the northernmost settlement in the world with an airport and you can get regular commercial flights from Oslo to svalbard even though it's only a thousand kilometers from the North Pole. And where'd you say smelled buyers located again off the coast of Norway? Yes. Foul bird is an archipelago at the largest island is called spitsbergen and spitsbergen is a holiday destination in itself. In fact, so when people go to the North Pole to usually spend a few days in spitsbergen where the acclimatize and And where they sightsee and then it's a beautiful island to go to know typically when you get to the North Pole Camp. How long did you stay there? You know, there's nothing typical about the North Pole the thing about extreme events. Again that separate them from perhaps Road marathons is even though you may have a template every year and every year is unique anything can happen at the North Pole from a break in the ice that cracks the runway and therefore you can't go in on time. You know, they can be political problems between which happened this past year between Russia and Ukraine which influence planes flying up there anything can happen at the North Pole? And that is one of the things about extreme events. There's a lot of uncertainty and as a race organizer. I have to try and manage that uncertainty for everybody. You mentioned flowing out there on an Antonov plane to the plane of skis. How does it land now? The plan doesn't have skis a lands as per normal. With squeals but the guys who fly these plans. They're all usually X Russian military Pilots their top pilots and our East European guys and former Soviet guys rather and they're experts on this and these plans they can take off and land on very short runways that's their unique capability. And so the, you know playing can actually land on 300 meters or take Goff some of these plans even though we will try and build the runway much longer than that. I'm on the race finishes. How much time would you spend there before you travel back or are you waiting on a plane to come in or is there a plane waiting there for you? Well, typically a trip I you know, I bring about 60 people to the North Pole every year that's made up of the runners themselves and Camera Crews some support group and the Antonov jet typically takes about 30 people Seated on so what happens is I use the plan to go up. It's two and a half hour flight. With the first group of Runners, it returns to svalbard and then it picks up the second group and brings them up. I operate the race shortly after the second plane arrives and we're 24 hours of daylight that could be at midnight and the race can go on people are not going to be setting personal bests. So let's say could take 10 hours for some people to eventually finish and after that like an American people tend to drink and A that happens at the North Pole to but after the marathon itself, we actually get a helicopter an MI a chopper and I make sure that everybody stands at 90 degrees north for the record and 90 degrees north is the precise geographic North Pole. And because typically the race it could be 20 miles away or it could be 40 miles away because we're on an ocean so over it. Matter of a few days when the camp is built. It's always floating. So a sense the North Pole marathon is a nebulous concept. It's in the exact area of the North Pole, but it would be an absolute fluke for it to be at the North Pole when it occurs. So each Loop that a competitor doors, although it's the same loop around the camp. It's in a different location because you're moving. Yeah, and so let's say I was to operate a linear event if I was out of my mind and I decided This year I'm going to have every run buddy run 26 miles to the pole and reach the pole in the end because you're floating that 26 miles. You could actually reach the pole. You could be floating towards the pole and you wouldn't run 26 miles. Are you could be floating away from it and it would be a lot take a lot longer to get there. So that's the idea of a loop and but the amazing thing about the North Pole is if you look at people's GPS That afterwards you'll see each Loop is moving as the running during the race. So the running the set distance at sets 10 laps for Point 2 K per lap that lap is moving all the time while they're running. So you see you see that movement on the GPS and I reckon that's totally unique for a marathon Race your hair will totally dress for a race Leader's, you know, one of the ironies are running in cold weather is you can overheat and you don't dress in bulk. You wear layers of light clothing. That's how you deal with the cold. So what I would advise people to wear is a base layer on their legs and a base layer on the Torso and that base layer takes sweat away from the body easily and and then use a wind shell on your legs. But on your torso have a fleece layer and a wind shell and the idea of the fleece layer is it keeps you relatively warm and of course anyway, Shell which is like a tracksuit is basically designed to stop the wind penetrating. So that's the kind of stuff you wear in your body on your hands. I'd recommend mittens which are fingerless gloves. In other words there because you can get the air to circulate among your fingers when they're not separated. And of course people were a goggles face mask. All your peripherals are subject to frost damage. So it's very very important. To keep your ears your nose your toes your fingers. All of those things are they are the most likely to be impacted by frostbite. So, you know, you wear these things and you look like you're just wearing a tracksuit. You're not dressed up like a big Mitchell a man or anything. It's layers is the key and you know running a race like the North Pole it's as I say you can actually overheat and so these layers so that the wind I could should have ventilation Zips. In other words, you can pull down a zip and let some air into it starting a race like the North Pole. It's always advisable to start slightly cold. So those that you mentioned are like what you might see under the arm on your jacket. Exactly. Okay, so that's what they're for is ventilated. That is what therefore because this danger of overheating. It is an ironing. The problem is if you sweat too much. When you stop it freezes and that's the problem and what you want to try and do running naturally produces wet unless you're not making much effort, but you will be at the North Pole and and you want to just control ventilator as much as possible. Stay slightly cold, but manage your he's manager resources in that way and know, you know, another thing at the North Pole for example. Yeah, I tell people don't drink water quickly, you know, it'll spill on you and then it becomes rock-hard ice, you know, take your time take an extra couple of seconds to think about what you do, you know, so there's none of that as I say again, it's another difference with a road Marathon, you're not catching water and dumping it in you have to watch these things at the pool. And what about your feet? Would you wear trail shoes hiking boots? I just recommend Trail Runners. Would you use snowshoes? No, we You snore she's at the North Pole. I consider them an impediment to Performance Because unless you're used to them. They're going to affect your hips and cause a lot of pain. They have a different running motion. And also if you wear things like spikes and that the reality is we have tents at the North Pole the people have to go into and they will cut the covering of the tents on this, you know, so we can't have that happening at that. That's something you wouldn't just think about so obviously it has happened it has happened. Yeah, so it No, everything is trial and error over the years but when you mention not wearing snowshoes is not a case of each time. You take a step that your foot is sinking into the ground at the North Pole. Yes. Yeah the North Pole actually it's a course that we don't groom. So in other words, we're up there and you see the ice and that's what you're running on. You know, you see these what I call he looks advice it's where the ocean has been crashing against itself and it causes, you know little kind of mounds of ice. Slick a plowed field. Yeah, and you know, so that's what people run on I do incorporate the runway a little bit. So that's the flap obviously groom surface. But other than that people are sent out to meander around the surface of the ocean as it is and you know, if you're out there if you're a kilometer away from camp at the North Pole, that's an eternity. You know, you you really feel you're out there but by yourself because you can't even see the Camp when you're a kilometer away due to these hillocks of I serve you run in the opposite direction. So you get a real feeling of Adventure and being out there in this really remote part of the planet yet. Those are all amazing the when you're not rolling, how would your your address different when you're not learning? What kind of clothing would you were at the pole? Yeah, when you're not running it's important to have big arctic polar boots, you know. And when pants and the big jackets that you see typically in outdoor stores, so that's where that kind of clothing comes into play. So you're just keeping yourself well insulators, but activity clothing as I mentioned and the act of running you were different stuff and it's lighter and you know, it's not what people imagine initially you would be wearing because typically when I give people examples of gear to get their kind of questioning it because it's light. Right, but that's what you want you on light little bit of insulation and the ability to ventilate and layers which are sustainable. How does the North Pole Martin differ from the Antarctic Ice Marathon? Well, the Antarctica is mired in Baltimore obviously running cold conditions, but the entirety guys marathon is literally the polar opposite of the North Pole Marathon. Where's the North Pole Marathon takes place on an ocean the Antarctic Ice Martin takes place on land and takes place in Antarctica, which is a continent and does that make it easier to get to yeah, it makes the facilities easier to arrange. So let's say an Antarctic Camp will be more sophisticated. Decatur than a North Pole Camp because we have very limited time at the North Pole, you know, only a matter of a few weeks before the ice cracks and is unsafe or Landing. So everything is done very very quickly at the North Pole. Where is in the Antarctic you have what we call an Antarctic season which lasts for several months where you have daylight where you have, you know, the usually between November And the end of January we're all kinds of activities can happen in Antarctica. So that difference is enormous in terms of logistics planning safety and all these other elements. I'm flying to Antarctica. Is that an easier process while the flight to Antarctica we use a different plan. So for the Antarctic Ice Merit and I met people in a town called Punta Arenas, which is the southern tip of Chile. So people get there via Santiago get an internal flight and land in Punta Arenas from Punta Arenas. We actually use an illusion jet which is can bring 60 people. So there's not two flights like at the North All but it's a longer flight. So it takes about five hours or so to get down to a camp in Antarctica at a place called Union Glacier Union Glacier situated about 650 miles from the South Pole itself. So this Camp Union Glaser is set up not just for the marathon. Obviously there it is kind of like a hub in Antarctica for other activities. So there might be people who are going to a penguin Colony. There are people going to the South Pole itself. If people climb and Vinson, which is the highest mountain in Antarctica, and typically most people will come to you in English here and then get an internal flight on a smaller plane to wherever they need to go from me. We just fly to Union Glacier and we operate the marathon there. It was Hagar. There's no air traffic control in that Erica is so do you have a schedule soil that? You know, I'm leaving at 10 past 3:00 on Friday afternoon. Yeah, like the North Pole Antarctica everything in Antarctic is governed by weather. So safety is of the utmost importance. So for example, good running method whether may not be good flying weather and schedules are very much subject to weather on the day in comparison to the North Pole. How does the entire article is merging compared with temperature the terrain clothing is as anything. Anyway it did. Yeah, actually differs quite a bit the temperature it's not as cold and entire to get this location as it would be at the North Pole. So it may you know on occasion it can get down to about minus 25 Celsius with the wind chill. But typically I would expect it to be minus 10 to minus 15. So that's a quite a significant difference compared to what I would anticipate at the North Pole every year. Also. We are running on land. It is on a glacier so that Here is crevasse checked actually, so there's a lot of safety elements go into the Antarctic Ice marathon before it's operated, but we do groom a course and we have a bigger course. It's normally for Loops because we don't have to worry about polar bears down there and we don't have to worry about cracks exposing an ocean below. So we usually use a for Loop course, it can be a two Loop course sometimes and but the clothing itself the same principles apply. I it's cold and you should wear layers of clothing. In fact, I find layers of clothing as I recommend work better at the colder the weather and because it's not quite so cold and Antarctica. Sometimes people will remove the middle layer on their torso. And again the key is to just not sweat too much and to try and manage that ideally you want to be moving at a pace where boy you're keeping yourself warm, but not overheating exactly and If you have that tendency, if you feel you might start overheat you ventilate so, you know, that's interesting. That's Union Glacier as I say, it's it's a more sophisticated Camp because it can be because you have a season there were you're not worrying about an ocean and the ice on the ocean disintegrating. So you have a camp there for three months that caters for all these various activities and the marathon is one of them and there's quite a few activities down there. Where is The North Pole the North Pole marathon is probably the principal activity. It's responsible for at least one quarter of the people. If not more who go to the North Pole every airport. That's a lot would have been so cold at the North Pole and that article I take it that you can't really run with a bottle of water. It's kind of pointless to you. So yeah, you get that out your aid station. Yeah. So we, you know at the North Pole we have, you know, we wrecked a camp that's heated. And the tensor heated and normally people as they do each Loop, they need to go in to the tent to do you get water, you know for a period of time water won't freeze because if you leave a little Gap and then I can move up and down and Shake while you're running and if you put it on the inside of your jacket that's good, you know people carry gels sometimes again, if you keep them close to your skin. That's what's going to stop them freezing, you know, so but typically people don't really need to carry these things because Rare Aid stations. It may take, you know a minute to go into the tent and come out. But again, you're not worrying about getting that Boston Marathon qualifier in time or any kind of PB in these races unless it's your first marathon. Who would want to run a marathon at the North Pole? That's a good question. And in fact, I suppose when I set the race up in the first place. I answer that by saying well I wanted to so I'm sure there's a lot of people like me who like the idea of something being a little bit crazy and maybe they shouldn't do it and that's the very reason they should and I guess, you know people nowadays are looking for adventure. They may not have time to go away for six months or five months or three months or whatever. It might. Take to be on a long Trek and prepare for that's a North Pole Expedition from the coast. But you know the idea of these marathons is they offer modern-day adventure to people you you get to stand at the North Pole. But you also earn your right there by running a marathon and doing something physical. I think a lot of people want to do something like that. And in fact I get people who go to the North Pole and the inevitably get the bug as we Call it and want to go to entire ticket then or vice versa are do something else go to a jungle. There are races everywhere in the world nowadays and very often those locations those extreme locations and Merit in his reason to go there and of course we'll entire to get a lot of people now have a goal to run a marathon on all seven continents and the Antarctic Ice Merit and is one of only two races on and Terror to get that people can run. The other one being What's called the To get InterContinental Marathon, which is the first marathon at the World Marathon challenge, which I also organize so, you know going to the entire two guys smarter than is an opportunity to do something bigger. There's the marathon itself the adventure down there, but there's also this idea of seven continents which is a big goal for many people. Tell me a little bit about the Intercontinental Antarctic Marathon. Okay. Well actually that race is part of a bigger event called World Marathon challenge, which Which is another array Sy organized where bring people to run seven marathons on Seven Continents within seven days or in other words 168 hours. And is that race Hall to help in the same location know the route for the World Marathon challenge is different and the first marathon which is in Antarctica is in a different location than Union Glazier. So the idea of the World Marathon challenge came about from the very fact that just mentioned that people have a goal to run a marathon. All seven continents and yeah, we can take them many many years to do. So and I kind of came up with this concept will how about if I narrow this down to a short timeframe and much like the North Pole are Antarctica with your kind of counterintuitive locations to organize events in a sense. I thought this idea the bit crazy to bring people around to run seven marathons and seven continents and seven days would have a lot of people who might want to do it and so I came about with the The idea and the route for 2020. For example, we start in a place called neuville, which is a Russian base directly south of Cape Town four thousand two hundred kilometers south of Cape Town in Antarctica. That's where we have the first marathon. Then we go to Cape Town for the second Marathon Perth for Australia Dubai for Asia Madrid for Europe for delays in Brazil for South America and We finished in South Beach Miami. So with this event. I meet people in Cape Town. That's our departure point and I bring them into entire to get for that first marathon in that first marathon is called the entire to get InterContinental marathon. And as soon as we start that first marathon, we have exactly 168 hours. To get to the finish and finish the file marathon in Miami to get everything done within 7 days. How do you make that happen? How do you know that you're going to get around the world in that space it on. Well, you know I mentioned the North Pole is quite a logistical feat, you know working with the Russians up there to airdrop tractors care about a Runway, you know operation event on an ocean. This is probably even more difficult to organize the World Marathon challenge again, you have I suppose the uncertainty about even the starter because you're dealing with Hurt again, but essentially I Charter a plane nowadays and I meet people in Cape Town and suppose we go into Antarctica on this plane the plane weights on the runway while we operate a marathon and then we return to Cape Town all these events from Cape Town on word have local organizers. They're all certified Marathon courses. They've been measured by Ames measures and so they're all official events all officially measured and monitored in this situation though. I have the uncertainty of what maybe I won't start on the day and that has an impact on every other event. Obviously in other words. I have to get permits for possibly the second day all these uncertainties arise. But yeah, it's a it's a very big logistical feat luckily so far and I have actually Started on the day and there's been no need to push out a marathon by a day and and deal with all the changes associated with that. But we talked about the conditions at the North Pole and I dare to go and here you have another event starting and are in starting in their article. Put a hundred and sixty hours later. You're running a marathon in Miami. So the range of temperature must be going from C minus 30, maybe the plus turret is so that's a difference of 60°. Hell does the body cope with that? Yeah. I mean, that's a good question. And this is one of the other, you know, aside from the logistics of the race, which I handle for everybody. This is what the runners experience in this. So I already mentioned the clothing you were in Antarctica and the North Pole that's only one set of Clothing here. Then they have six other events. So within 24 hours we get back to Cape Town after the first marathon and we're suddenly running in immense heat potentially employs. You've met in Cape Town. So you're going from that heat to an extreme cold and impact that heat. Yes. Exactly. Let me come back to this. I have to arrange logistically a big turnaround of people. So they're at a start line and ready to go all their changes of clothes. Nothing and everything involved in that but when they actually run themselves, they're suddenly and shorts and a singlet and it's hot and they're fatigued because they've already just run a marathon. So the first two marathons of this world Martin Challenger quite close together and you're immediately going from temperature extremes and that takes a toll, you know, and it's kind of surreal for the runners actually to do that to be an entire taken suddenly in Cape Town and then suddenly they're on a They're going to Perth Perth again is a hot location. We operate that marathon in the evening. So it takes the sting out of the heat. But again, you're in a warm location same at Dubai Madrid. Suddenly, you're in the European winter and it might be only 0 degrees. But again, there's been a fluctuation from the previous race in Dubai and in a very short period of time and you're back into almost your polar clothing not quite but a different set of clothing then Fortaleza. Brazil will be hot and Miami, of course hot and this is all done within a hundred and sixty eight hours. It's almost like a cruel experiment for the runners were there in these changing temperatures. They're not having hotel stays along the way maybe only one because we don't have time that they have to sleep on the plane. So they have a you know, a certain amount of sleep deprivation there in changing time zones as I say changing temperatures and suddenly they're in Miami. Within a hundred sixty eight hours and I often ask people when we reach Miami at the start line and I say how long ago do you think was when you ran in Antarctica and it seems like a distant memory to them. That's how surreal the event is with all the travel the different continents and cultures. They encounter temperatures sleep deprivation. They actually lose all sense of time and it's very hard for them to process that you know, what only a hundred and fifty or sixty hours ago. I was running in the dirt again now here I am in Miami and and off as the case with other events to at the North Pole and Antarctica that it takes a while for people to process these events to go home afterwards and I kind of have to pinch themselves and say I was there and I did that and they're looking at the pictures and and it's amazing for them. It's totally life-changing. Yeah, you may just leave deprivation and that would also affect recovery and then there's the Distance that people end up running so over the seven days that's almost 300 kilometers which isn't too far off 200 miles which is quite a lot like nobody would do that in training, but then they end up doing that in a week with all that traveling. You said not sleeping in a hotel bed the not recovering as as normal. They're going to these kind of extremes of temperatures. So it's quite incredible when you think about it is yea and yes, it's an event. I think that's open to anybody to do much. Each like ultramarathons, you know people say, you know, who does these events and you know are the extreme athletes who are sponsored all the time or you know, whatever and there's quite a spectrum. It just goes to show how adaptable the human body is and if you cut away the drama that these things are doable. It's all down to how much you actually want to do and then there's the power of the mind if if you have a clearly defined goal you will do it. Absolutely. I mean a lot of people who go The North Pole and tired guard do the world Martin challenge, for example, sometimes they're doing it for other reasons besides, you know, they're raising money for a charity or they're doing it in memory of somebody who might you know a close relative some combination of those things and you know, when they get there they sure as hell want to finish and with my events as well. I don't I don't want to knock people out of them. You know, I want people to finish the goal of my events is I feel personally as a failure if somebody doesn't get across The line I want everybody to finish so I don't have strict cut-offs as long as people look okay to me, you know, I'm flexible with cutoff times. And the whole idea for me is get them to finish the event and you get all types of people who did them from you know, and at that defy preconceptions, you get people your course you get the odd, you know, Elite Runner, you know Olympic standard Runner who might take part in one of these events. But otherwise, they're like Road Martin's in the sense of who takes part a wide spectrum of people male/female different ages some people with disabilities of it. A lot of people with various disabilities who managed to finish these races and they're quite inspirational. Like I say, it's easier to be resilient when you have a clearly defined goal. Yeah, I mean, I don't think anybody decides to go to the world Marin Challenger the North Pole on a whim by the time it comes around. They'll have defined their goal very clearly and what they want out of that trip in terms of certainly in terms of running our finishing. Yeah. I think if somebody is going to go to that extreme like they've invested a lot of time money and whatever else into it and yeah, they know yeah, I think of somebody is going to make that much of an investment. Events date they want to complete. Yeah, and you know even just in terms of financially these events are not cheap. They're inherently expensive because you know to operate any event in a polar region is just a costly exercise and you know these marathons or even the world Martin challenge, they're probably the least expensive ways of getting to the North Pole and Antarctica are around the world and yet there are all these marathons you can run on top of it all but just as you mentioned the expense I was reading there recently about the supply chain to get 100 leader barrel of aviation fuel to the South Pole that parallel would probably cost approximately a hundred thirty-five dollars saved America, but it only gets to the South Pole. You can cost over $1,000 because of the amount of fuel that actually needed to get at their everything in the whole reason is an expense. Yeah, everything in the polar regions is expensive because there's not just the expertise required but there's also you know fuel governs Most activities anywhere in the world if you need fuel at the so Paul you can ship it in there and you can just drive around there. You actually have to fly it in there. So you have aircraft taking off with fuel to carry to the pole and they're burning fuel to bring it there. And that's just the reality, you know, okay, there's not huge activities in these areas, but to have any activity that's essentially what's behind it. How did you come up with the idea for the warmer and challenge? What made you think? It was logistically possible to fly a group of Runners around the world complete a marathon each of the content within the seven days like any of the events I've mentioned so far. I always do them myself first basically at to test the waters such and I'd seen many years ago, of course about ranulph Fiennes is attempt to run seven marathons and seven continents in seven days and and that kind of you know, I know in the end it didn't quite work out for him and he had to use I think the falconer and we had the Falkland Islands is a proxy for Antarctica, but I like the idea and the immuno the ambition he had in doing it and that kind of inspired me in a way to say We'll look can I do something like this in less than seven days. Maybe he's a possible and use economy of lights around the world and see if I could do it. So quite literally one night. I looked at Skyscanner and I actually had to go in to interact with somebody on a private trip and I thought And it was to this novel base out of Cape Town. I thought okay. Well, I'm there what happens if I run a marathon? Can I leave there and get around the world take a chance in a certain time period spending maybe eight ten hours in each location run a marathon and maybe get it done and under six days. And and that's what I said about doing. So the first time I did it was 2009. I think I got around in 5 days 10 hours so I ran this Marathon. In neuville, and then I went to Cape Town got on a commercial flight to Dubai after you run the marathon after I ran a marathon in Cape Town then to do by then to London Toronto Santiago and finished in Sydney and I had all the Marathon course has measured I travel by myself and I went economy all the way got around the world in 5 days 10 hours completing the seven marathons on Seven Continents. So that was my first test. Of it. So in other words I kind of was in Antarctica. Anyway, I just took the long way home to see if it would work and it did and I then did it a second time in 2012 and I did it in four days 22 hours three minutes albeit on a different route and from that spawned the idea of well, okay, this can be done and I'm just using commercial airlines here and maybe I can do this as an event and bring people. Due in seven days because obviously seven seven seven as a nice ring to it. So seven Martin seven continents seven days and whatever bomi do to myself in less time. That's just my own risk when I'm Juniper other people. I want to make sure I get things done. Right and seven days is the best time frame and I then launched the first commercial one in 2015 and I still use commercial airlines for that and brought a limited number of people and worked do the same again in 2016. And then I Realized is the demand here now and I turned it into a bigger event and started to Charter a plane to get people around you in your spare time. You run across continents. So you've run across North America twice. Is that right? Yeah. I run across continents. I ran across the u.s. And 2015 Iran from San Francisco to New York about 3,200 miles the route I took and I then ran across Europe to your after from Istanbul. To the course of the Netherlands near Rotterdam and I ran across South America albeit a shorter route from the coast in Argentina to the coast in Chile and over the Andes mountains and you're planning to rule nor to marry again. Yeah, I did those events originally did those events. I did the u.s. Event in 2015 with the goal of running across Antarctica actually later that year because nobody had ever run across entire to get before and I thought it would be great place to cross the continent as it happened for various reasons. Ins logistically the entire to Crossing didn't happen that year I found myself in need of getting fit again the following year and I just defaulted. You know, I may as well run across Europe and and then I decided Well, I run across South America and unfortunately, the entire event hasn't occurred yet, which was what all these Trends constants runs were for because I kind of got a catastrophic knee injury that's taking me out for over two years. So these Continental room A Sleek training runs to help you cannot plan like your logistics for going to Antarctica. Yeah. It's I mean people might laugh at the idea that you ran across America as a training run, but the reality was well, that's kind of what it was. I you know, I spent all these years organizing events and I found I wasn't running myself and I was getting on fit and I didn't really have the motivation to do the traditional events, and I thought you know Well, why would I love to do and you know, I knew I wanted to run across entire to go I said but you know, I really need to get into shape for that. And the best way to do that for me is to go across the continent like North America and you know, the u.s. Is an epic Place geographically the people everything it's fast and it's amazing and I thought you know, I run across the u.s. And that will get me into shape and that's how I know. I didn't really train for that and I remember having colossal weight loss in the first few weeks like Susan two and a half Stone and three weeks because I went from running, you know, six or seven miles a day to suddenly run and 40, you know, and yeah, so you got me first and it was it was a great thing for me to do was to see America unfold in front of you seeing it on foot is way different than seeing it any other way and you don't miss things unfortunate see why the state boundaries are where they are you see How people change from one stage to another and one of the most amazing things from me about America was how rural it is. We have this idea, especially growing up in Ireland. You see the cop movies or series and you think all the action is in the city. And in fact, I lived in America for a number of years. I lived in cities. I lived in Boston. I lived in Phoenix and yet I didn't even know that this whole area outside of the Cities existed. Just how rural Is and how amazingly rural it is how the people are amazing. They're in these rural areas and how people in the city don't know this either much like I didn't know about what's outside these cities. I think that's actually the case and like things like I didn't realize cornfields went all the way from Kansas to almost New York City. I was still seeing corn fields in New Jersey and that to me was Something I didn't realize before I ran across the state. So you were glad you made that decision. Yeah, I mean the, you know, I say my own events like the North Pole in Antarctica and are roughly life-changing events for people people often describe their life as kind of pre North Pole and pulls North Pole. It's a very big thing in their lives run across America was a big thing for me because you change, you know, the whole essence of ultra running a course as you learn about yourself. If it's mental Endeavors as much as a physical one, and you know, well I Learned was when I started this run I was kind of fighting at first, you know, I had to get up the next day and run again probably because I was unfit when I started but then I learned myself to kind of give in to that to stop trying to control the sand to decide it was my loss and I've often compared it to possibly want to prison sentences like where you're resisting it and then you say okay. This is my lot for the next few months ago. An armored and then once you let that go you then experience the days and you take them as they are and you know, I appreciate it every day in America that I had you know, so I'm guessing that you didn't pick the shortest route. You picked a route that you would find most interesting and you got to visit places that you wanted to see. Yeah, one of my competitors and previous race or name is Heather car and she came up with the root for me. I remember she had run the entire two guys marathon and I just said as I do I'm thinking of running across America You know, I always keep in touch with people after my races and she remember her asking. Well, what's your what's your route, you know or whatever and I said probably San Francisco to New York and I had nothing in the middle. So just follow the signs and I remember her saying, you know, well, would you like me to come up with one eye so, you know and I said, well, I want to see certain types of places and then that's however Rose, so she just came up with this route that brought me, you know wasn't a linear route shortest one across but brought me to lovely places in, Utah. At that, I would never have gone to otherwise and and did you backtrack it only stays to visit somewhere. No never I mean the the whole way the North American run was operated was it was very simple, you know, I've heard of people who overanalyze stuff before they do it in my case. All I knew was I had to I would probably run about 3540 whatever miles per day. I had no idea and I would need somebody to pick me up at the end of the A and maybe bring us somewhere to stay. I didn't have a camper van or that and so I literally would have one person at my GPS recording me running. I'd have a person at me a couple of times during the day two or three times where I get a drink off them or whatever if there was no stores along the way at the end of the day we go and try and find accommodation and then come back to where I'd finish the previous day and just keep going and eventually you get there, but I've had no reason to go back since other than Then when I go back to where I finished each day that was about it. Now. When you go back to do in North America again, are you gonna follow a completely different route? Will you go the same direction? No, I've yeah, so I decided I've been injured for two years. I had just when I was ready to go across Antarctica in 2017. I was a few weeks out and I've been probably made the mistake of training and I got injured and I my knee just went from a four wonderful. Way putting the height. I always had some pain in my patellar tendons, but then this the medial side of my left knee just kind of gave way and I decided to look under the Bonnet for the first time and I got an MRI and both knees and the results of that MRI. I remember in September 2017 was not good. I had torn patellar tendons one was going to snap off to torn medial meniscus one on each knee bone bruising bomb blunting and I suppose like any Ultra Runner you have a high pain tolerance. Are you tend to ignore pain and whatever happened to me just tipped over and then I saw what was underneath and it was there was so much stuff wrong. I didn't know what to do initially and then I decided maybe stem cells was the way to go because they could be injected in all over the place and they might fix stuff. So my first Port of Call was to get them stem cells taken from my mouth. There were grown in a lab. They were harvested and then because there's a correlation between the amount you get and and their capability of fixing stuff. So I had all that done by the end of 2017 a very quickly and the stem cells fix my patellar tendons entirely. I've never had a pain there since but did not work well with meniscus and those kind of injuries. So the long and short of it is I've had two operations since and now I'm back around again. So so my next run will be to revert back to North America and do a run across there an entirely different route. I can you just roll it straight lines are already. Okay total course I can I can jog slowly I think so. Well, no the next my next run across North America and I tend to start after the Boston Marathon the day after I'm going to run van basten. Obviously again, take a non straight route across the u.s. To finish at Santa Monica Pier. So at the moment I intend to go from Boston towards Chicago up to Minneapolis across the Badlands see Mount Rushmore head down towards Monument Valley run through Compton and finish at Santa Monica Pier. So it's to see a different part of America and some of the Irish American parents of a to like Chicago Boston near the fact that you're going back to North America for the second time and your other events that you organized have all come about because you have ran these events previously. Are you planning on setting up something in North America? Ha ha ha. I don't know about that. There is a cycle race to race across there is there is a risk cross Omega. I actually have had an idea but I can't discuss about a North American Crossing as a race, but it's it would be entirely. Really not what people would think it would be more fun North American Crossing but ya know other than that though in all seriousness North America is really about me getting back into it again. I suppose like many people. I have a healthy dislike for training. I don't it's not easy for me to go out and do long runs and stuff like that. You'd have Porpoise to watch it. I have to have a purpose and I think starting on one side of a country and say I need to get to the other side is is the purpose and it makes it a lot easier and being in the lovely place like the state some experience in that shiz is a bonus and it's also an opportunity to raise money for a good cause maybe because it does kind of capture people's imagination and I found that before where people see you run across the can follow you for a few months. I tried to keep everything light and fun, but then we'll always be a serious side where I tried to raise money for something now with these two American Crossing held at active, logistically. No, no, it is a very very different place. But with regards, you know getting people to meet you and finding accommodation helped Ricky was that it was it was tricky enough, I guess because it was a part where we have to go over the end is and you know accommodation that wasn't so much the big element going across South America. It was going over the end is it was the traffic? So I was on a very busy route at one point. There's they don't really have you know margins at the side of the road for runners, you know in some countries and I had the same problem in parts of Europe where you were literally taking your life in your hands. Sometimes you would be running along the road of course facing traffic, but the problem would be cars overtaking from behind you and just whizzing by you and you know frightened the life out of you. Sometimes you knew few times you were within the centimeter tubing whacked off the road. They're kind of more the the problems with transcontinental runs. That doesn't exist in America. That's why it's another good place to go back to Did you have any accidents on any of the Intercontinental runs? No, I didn't have any I was lucky enough. I remember in Bulgaria and Serbia, you'd see all the little grave stones or Mana memorials by the side of the road where people have been killed and you're just, you know, your cars are coming up behind you and you know, you could be next and there was a periods like that, but I never really had an ax I never had. Really any bad encounters either, you know, I remember people saying, you know, your you run across the state somebody's going to shoot you or other people of these preconceptions about countries, you know, I may have had two incidents in America Two incidents of being confronted in some way over several thousand miles. That's nothing that could happen and going into town on a night out any problems word wild animals. I suppose my I have a little fear of cows. We won't call them. Wild animals were run across America whenever I'd see the open range cattle that would kind of worried me more than seeing a bear or a lion or something like that. I'd be going on. No, it's actually there's a lot of roadkill I encountered which was strange. You know, I disposed unexpected you'd see I became good eventually a knowing how long a carcass was there. Probably before I ever see it and you got to see some interesting animals and say all kinds of animals, dear everything, you know, that would have Been unfortunate enough to have been hit by a car on the road. We're going to take a step back. No joke because I'm going try to figure out before you started running and organizing these events. What were you doing previous that what did you give up to become an extreme event organizer? Yeah. It's as well as I was actually an economist and that's my profession. That's what I trained to do. I you know when I went to college here and go away. I did a degree in economics and classical Ization, I think it was the first person to do that particular combination because I had an interest in Classics and and economics as different as they are and after that I ended up getting a fellowship to do a master's here and go away. And you know, I was I was pretty good at economics. I gotta think a first-class Master's thesis or something and and as a result of that I got a scholarship to America to do PhD and Arizona State Ersity, so I went to America as well for a period so I ended up working as an economist. I was I was teaching at various third level institutions during my time and then I became a consultant economists and I was a specialist in I suppose antitrust economics which is, you know, II ended up protecting Industries who'd be investigated for price fixing our you know, our if there was deregulation on the card, so I was kind of involved in that area for quite a while. But I always had an interest in running because my brother was a good runner. He ran in a couple of Olympics and he was a sub for milder and he was a good runner. And so I always had that interest there and then I realized you know, I was in this profession economics and just because you're good at something doesn't mean it's good for you and I felt I was in this profession that didn't really mean anything to me. I was losing its meaning I suppose it was an unconventional Economist, but I always had this idea of kind of Adventure anyway, and like I mentioned a lot of people don't have time to go and big Expeditions and all this and they regret things later in life. I was realizing that are earlier in life. I suppose I'm saying I want to do something different, you know, and that got me into this field eventually. Is there a particular event or rake that was the turning point that actually help you to make that decision? Yeah, it was actually the death of my parents. My father died in 1998 on my mother died in 2000. Both of them are actually buried on the same day because my father gave his body to science so they were buried on the same day in 2000 by complete coincidence, which I obviously had a profound effect on me causes you to be a little bit introspective. Of course at the same time and I began to question my own life. You know, what is it that brings meaning to my life as such and it wasn't economics and I They wanted to do something to my parents memory and that kind I found myself gravitating towards towards running. You know, what I did is a kid and what I was watching my brother Paul do and I decided myself that I would get back into running. I would dedicate a number of races to their memory and raise money for some good causes and that's where I came up with my own idea of running on seven continents and at that time American to the South Pole the first and only man Return to the soap always been advertised. So that was going to be my entire attic event. And then I was going to run other races which I did in 2002 around the world select the Himalayan hundred mile race the Inca Trail Marathon Etc. So that was kind of the Catalyst the death of my parents and this decision about meaning I suppose and you know doing stuff that mattered to me came about and and put me on this trajectory away from economics back into the Running world are into the kind of Adventure World and where I felt I kind of had a calling so run in the South Pole marathon in 2002, which I went down with, you know, I restarted training. I went from being very very uncertain 2001 to you know, run and subtree are marathons and in my training sessions basically and that happened very very quickly went down to the South Pole which was quite an experience one American down there and and that set the ball rolling the race the so Paul was quite controversial. I beat a guy from the u.s. Called Dean karnazes. He was about half an hour behind me, but the race itself was sponsored by The North Face. He was a North Face athlete after the event they decided to invent categories where they deemed me to be the winner of a snowshoe division because I was wearing snow shoes So eventually Court ruled that I was of course the winner that that was all nonsense. But it was quite an experience for my first race. And that's how Paul Marathon actually sent me to the North Pole because I heard a rumor after I'd won the South Pole a marathon that perhaps Kern Asus was going to the North Pole to run a marathon up there whether that rumors true or not. It caused me to figure a way up there to get in touch with Russia, even though I had no background in this and I made it to the North Pole with the Russians. I went up and tested the runway with them on the plane the first plane that landed there and I built the camp with them. And I ran a marathon up there by myself just with a GPS and from that idea. I said, wow, you know, this is what I've been missing out on in my life as such this kind of Adventure that I haven't been on for a few years as an economist and and there must be other people out there who'd love to do this. And that's where I came up with the idea of the North Pole Marathon very much started at the South Pole. And you were right who would want to run there and a lot of people want to ruin their? Yeah. I mean when I was at the North Pole the first time no idea what I was doing. I was kind of you know, you get the odd moment where you're saying, this is crazy, but you love it, you know, and I loved it and I knew people would want to do something like this. It wasn't long after that that I said people are going to want to run a marathon at the North Pole and and it was within a couple of years. Years of that I switch from being an economist to organize in the North Pole Marathon. How did you find out about the race to the South Pole? You know, that's so long ago. It would have been it must have been on the Internet or something back in 2001 and I believe it it wasn't what it is. They'll know so I really can't remember I'd have to go back and look through files probably that I have but certainly a popped up on the radar there as a soap or marathon. And yeah, so I said I Have to run this and that was I think the only Maradona was held at this it was it was a it turned out to be unnecessarily an extremely controversial race because it was race were only six people went down to it and it was a race advertised as a linear route to the South Pole like skiing the last degree. Yeah, I accept it not half a degree I guess and so we went down there the race was advertised for it was a 10-day schedule. I remember leaving Ireland on January 1st. I didn't get back till the end of January. We were stuck in Antarctica for at least 18 days. First of all the camp called Patriots Hills, which is close to the current Union Glazier camp and then up on the Polar Plateau worry attempted the race. There was all kinds of delays safety issues involved in this race, but why we were in Antarctica, I hyper-extended my knee and it was very badly inflamed. I was told I had zero chance of In a marathon and that's when I elected to wear these snowshoes which were actually Dean karnazes snowshoes because he wasn't wearing them in the race and little did I know we're in these things would be a reason to explore an opportunity to put me into a different division when I actually won the rest, so it was a bizarre. So sorry sir, but the bottom line was I won this race by about half an hour. I was announced as the winner went all around the world. I was the winner of this race. And then they try to change the results afterwards and say that well, actually the guy who finished second is the winner because he wasn't wearing his nose shoes you were wearing them. So this is very very funny as if these snowshoes whisked me over the ice like a magic carpet. In fact for me, they were a big problem because they I think I mentioned earlier we don't wear them at the North Pole because they hurt your hips and all kinds of issues, but it was that race and the controversy around it which even Sports Illustrated follow. Who is it was most bizarre for me as my first race is an adult as such to be involved in any way in such a story and until almost have to win the race twice. I mean, I felt like I had buried my father twice when he had died and given his body to science and then we buried him two years later. I was running this in his memory and I felt like I had to win the race twice, but I fought that battle and and one out of course and and the bonus from it was when I heard this rumor that this other guy was going to the North Pole I decided you know, what in typical polar fashion, I guess in history. There's always some kind of competition and this would be way down the line. Of course. This is much more Petty just to marathoners, but I said, I'm going to get up to the North Pole somehow and I did and that event has probably kick-started everything that we talked about that has that challenge. I will call her. Yeah has kick-started all this running career. And with being the winner of the soap American you became the first person to run a marathon to the South Pole and then subsequently. Yeah. So later that are posed. Yeah. So the South Pole Marathon occurred I think around January 22nd 2002 and by April 5th 2002. I run the first marathon at the North Pole to which is not on the continent and not in my agenda for that year, but I figured a way to get up there and do it and and I can say from that the North Pole Marathon came about out and a complete change in my life you already curiosity when you contacted the Russians to say you wanted to fly to the North Pole to run a marathon. What kind of response did you get? Well, it wasn't quite just contact on the Russians. I had American friends who were helping me with this as well and they were really that in first contact with the Russians for me. My first direct contact was when I met them in svalbard and then went to the North Pole and built a camp with them and And we very quickly became friends and have remained friends over all these years and that's how I get logistic still at the North Pole. The the Russian guys I deal with their you know, work close buddies and we make things happen everything that has happened to this point has been as a result of that decision that you made to run a race after your parents died in their memory. Could you offer any advice to somebody who is trying to decide on whether to do Do and race some other event climb a mountain change jobs. There's a certain amount of risk involved. Would you maybe say ensure you have a bit of a safety net or just go for it. My advice is go first, you know Follow Your Instinct and do things that have meaning for you I decided to do this race to the South Pole and some other ones and that completely changed my life afterwards. I didn't grow up thinking I was going to be organizing polar events stuff like that. Don't be afraid to do something different. Follow what your instinct says is good for you not necessarily safe for you and you never know. What's around the corner when you do that Richard. Thanks very much. Your toys we might do a follow-up at some stages. I'm sure there's a lot of stuff. We haven't touched on and good luck with your run across North America. Thanks very much, John.

My guest today is Richard Donovan, who will discuss the background of extreme events he organises such as the North Pole Marathon, Antarctic Ice Marathon and World Marathon Challenge. However, given his diversity, Richard is worthy of an entirely separate podcast to share some of his thoughts on the philosophy of ultrarunning, the direction of the sport and his previous roles as a Director of the International Association of Ultrarunners and Head of UltraRunning Ireland. He has organised the IAU Trail World Championships at ultrarunning, obtaining the first global TV audience in the process, and was also a Race Director of the first Commonwealth Championships at both 100km and trail ultra running. He additionally helped to launch the first Wings for Life World Run and was Race Director of the inaugural Irish event. As if that’s not enough, Richard has run across three continents and won several events such as the Himalayan 100 mile Stage Race and Inca Trail Marathon. Richard has shown himself to be a strong advocate for access to sport for people with disability and a big supporter of Irish athletes attempting to qualify for the Olympics, among others. His brother Paul was a two-time Olympian, multiple NCAA track champion and indoor world medalist at 3000m.

Welcome to the mum Rick podcast a place where you can feel normal get helpful information and laugh your ass off. Hopefully without peeing your pants. I'm your host Erica and I have two kiddos. I am not a mom expert but I do have a zillion hours of therapy under my belt and no filter. I'm on my own journey to find happiness and I want to help you on the way to yours. So I'm here today with Rachel Solomon a public forum. Therapist and we are going to talk about all of the questions and concerns and jiggity details of what actually happens why you should be going and what's actually going on down there after you have kids or even before you have kids. So thank you Rachel for so graciously coming on and you know spending some of your day to talk to us about this such an important topic. Yeah. Thank you for having me maybe before we jump in you can just do a quick little introduction about yourself. Who you are what you do? Yeah, so, my name is Rachel Salman. I got my undergraduate degree actually in chemistry from Georgia Tech and then I went on to get my doctorate in physical therapy from Mercer University. And then I actually really didn't have a huge interest in women's health at the time and I in PT school. You really don't get any women's health information you get like a maybe a half a day lecture some thing on public for physical therapy. I know it's crazy. And so you get like a couple hours and so I really didn't think I had much interest in it and then I had a child and so very quickly learned how the bounce-back thing I think is just this huge myth and thing that really damages like postpartum at damages. I think Mom's mentality and I was super active before I gave birth and so I like fell into Trap of I'm going to bounce back and all my patients and all the people that I worked with and everyone is like, oh my gosh, you're gonna bounce back to me. No problem and you're just have this beautiful strong pregnancy and labor is going to be a breeze and then you know in a couple weeks, you're just gonna be back to normal. And so I totally totally fell for that and when I realized obviously postpartum that that wasn't going to happen. I got really frustrated with myself. It's already a really hard time anyways, and then it got really frustrated with myself. Able to move the way that I want it to move and that was kind of my like Outlet anyways, and so when I couldn't exercise I think that took a toll on my mental health too. I've got really lucky in that. I have a really good friend who's a public for PT. And so I reached out to her and I was like Hey like this is what's going on. Like is this normal was this normal? Like what am I supposed to feel and she was just an amazing resource to me? And so I was like, okay. I need to find someone in my area and she lived a decent ways away. So it's like I'm going to find someone my area who does this? Quickly realized there was like no one here who does there's only one other public for physical therapists here. And so I looked at or I called and got their information and realize very quickly that she had a very long waiting lists like okay, like I don't have that like I need my vagina to be fixed now things like I just want to feel normal like everyone told me that I was going to and so I was like, you know what? I'm just going to go do it myself. I'm going to just figure it out because I feel like as a physical therapist. We should know how to do this. And so I was like, I'll just go figure it out myself. And so that's what I did through the Herman and Wallace public Rehab Institute who is fabulous for anyone looking to go more into this field. They were wonderful. So I did my public for training through them and then I have my strength and conditioning certification as well. So I kind of combined all of that to help women, especially postpartum women get back to exercise and get back to moving the way that they want to move a mile of that. It's not necesarily. There's so many horror stories about what happens with your pelvic floor in birth, and it may be depending on how you deliver as well. Everyone has such a unique experience, but it's not necessarily just about you know, fixing these major issues like we were just talking about how I was just at the gym trying to do jumping jacks and I had to do modified jumping jacks because I kept peeing might like not even peeing my pants just dribbling and I don't really want to I don't want to dribble and you shouldn't and it's not normal to and I think that as moms too. We really normalized it. Yeah, and it's obviously when you're a mom you just kind of tend to take care of everything else. You don't really take care of you because that's what you think your duty as a mom is and moms sympathize with that on each other, which I think is fabulous to have that support. But in terms of like the leaking and stuff like that, I hear Mom's all the time and they're like, oh, yeah, but your mom like it just happens like it's the price we pay and it's like no no. No, this is not normal. It's never normal and it should never be your new normal. The second you have those symptoms like realizing you can do something about it as a game changer. I talked to most people in there. Like I didn't realize that there were options. So I never looked into it. I just kind of felt like though I just am going to do this for the rest of my life. Well, it's crazy because you mean having only like one pelvic floor PT in your area. It's it just goes to show that yeah, but these problems are common, but they don't need to be normal and write it normalization of fixing the mom. Holistically not judge. Yes said to have not just breastfeeding but like yeah the Giants take their toll to oh, yeah, and I think a lot of people don't understand like their muscles. There's 11 muscles down there. And so yeah, I crazy. All right. That's why I'm saying like a four hour lecture during PT school like that just doesn't cover it and it's not to blame PT school. Like I just it's obviously a specialty kind of subsets. So there does need to be additional education there, but there's less than muscles down there. Like that's a lot of muscle and for some Any other muscle in the body, we you know anytime you injure it or anytime you have surgery you get sent to physical therapy. And for some reason with the pelvic floor, it's never even mentioned like it's just never brought up. Most people don't know we exist when they find out we exist. They're like no way and like my going to a comment for physical therapist. Like that's a joke. They're going to make me lift weights with my vagina. Like that's not it at all. And so there's 11 muscles down there and they're also so important even in a totally quote normal birth. With whatever that is because I don't think there's any really normal birth. But any normal birth those muscles stretch to two hundred and fifty percent of their resting length. So if I were to take your hamstring and stretch it to 2.5 times its normal length and then go to the doctor and say hey, this is what happened. They would send you the pelvic floor to physical therapy, right? But for some reason the public our yeah, we just don't really like you'll be fine like take some Motrin you'll heal like it'll get back to normal in a pearl. It was a lot of women, but for some women they do feel like they get back to normal without that. And so I think that we have just kind of said like, okay. Well it can get back to normal but like it should be so standard for every single woman who has a child whether it's C-section or vaginal like they should be sent physical therapy because there is muscle trauma there. There's no way you can have 10 months of pregnancy and papa baby out and not have some kind of muscle dysfunction afterwards. No, and it's so the in the comment about hurting another muscle in your body. Really interesting because I've had a lot of surgeries like I've had my knees done twice. I've had hip surgery. Like I had a breast reduction. I've had a lot of relatively major surgeries and I have spent hours and hours and hours in PT afterwards. Oh, yeah months. Yeah and even when I'm doing if I do decide to do an internal assessment, like I tell patients all the time and like listen like this is exactly what I would do on an external muscle. The only difference is these muscles are interior like the easiest way that I can. To them is an internal exam and so having people understand that these are just muscles and they're just internal. That's the only difference. I think it makes a lot more sense to people when they realize like that's what we're treating and so it just I think for some reason the internal aspect like freaks people out, but it's exactly the same as any other muscle in the body and that's why I think that we should be the specialist on this because we are Specialists on every other muscle and so for some reason I just think that people don't realize that there's even muscles down there. So when they realize that they're like, oh that makes sense why I would go through a physical therapist because it's muscle muscle related. So let's sort of take a step back and talk about what actually happens in public for video because that stigma around it and yeah the idea and the of the concept of the unknown of not knowing what to expect and you're in this sort of fragile stage often when you go if you have a newborn or things aren't working right or you're sleep deprived and that all of a sudden You're going to go meet this stranger like all you can think about is I'm just shoving their hands up to you. Yes, exactly. I actually have patience call and they'll say like hey, I need to know what's going to happen because I don't really get it and I'm not coming until you kind of explain to me what happened. So we explain this all the time, but honestly, the first visit is really whatever you want it to be like if you find a good physical therapist. It should be what you want it to be and for some people that means that the first day I meet you. I just talked for an hour. Like you tell me your history. You tell me what's going on. You tell me, you know, what's been bothering you what you'd like to work on what your goals are and we just spend the entire hour just talking and you get to know me and I get to know you and then that way next time I see you. I don't feel like such a stranger and that's totally fine. Like if that's what that individual patient needs and that's what we as PT should be willing to do for most people they get here and they're kind of okay, they kind of understand like hey, there's probably going to be some internal exam so You do with this. So if they come in then usually what we do in that situation, obviously, it's not all their paperwork. They let me know like are you having pain or you having other symptoms like leaking or heaviness or things like that? We hit them back. We stalk I probably spend about half the time just talking about like what's going on? Like what are these symptoms? Like coming from? What? How are they bothering you? How can I change this? And then the second half is more like my exam where I will actually check the muscle and see like how its functioning. So in most cases what I'll do is check strength. I'll check. Check endurance. Just like we do any other muscle and kind of see like, okay, what does your people actually look like when I asked you to do a cake? What are you doing it correctly? How long can you hold that Kangol? Are you breathing when you're doing your kegels? Are you squeezing your butt cheeks. Are you squeezing your thighs or I actually using your internal muscles without compensating elsewhere will check for things like that suspect. I like a table separation if it's a C-section or even if you had some tearing will check things like your Scar Tissue because that needs to be At least just like it does anywhere else. So we'll check things like that. But I always tell people before we do internal exam. We do not have to do internal exam. Like if I have someone who just doesn't feel comfortable day one with internal. We don't do it. Like there's so many things that we can do that are external that we can still get a good kind of feel for that muscle function without actually having to work internally. And so if I have someone who's got like tons of sensitivity down there are maybe they're on their period or maybe they just don't feel comfortable. With internal that day no big deal we can still do an exam and we can still kind of figure out what we need to work on. What's tight what's not what's restricted what good movement looks like what your posture looks like all those kind of things so that we can put that into the picture and then maybe if you decide like later on down the road like I think I'm okay with an internal exam. That doesn't freak me out any more than you do it, but there's no speculums. There's no like literally the only tool that I use is my finger and I can just tell like whether or not you're able to pull or push. Or what the muscles feel like the same way. I wouldn't external muscle. So there's none of the scary big stuff that you would think and I know for me the first time I went to public for fizzy. I've been to a few different ones for a few different things over the course of two kids, but it was at that point. I was I had in my first newborn and I was so tired and I just everyone had seen everything for me personally. I was like just happy to be lying down without a child around me. I almost fell asleep. Yeah, I know for a lot of women like by the time they get to me in this is unfortunate. But the sad Truth by the time they get to me. I'm kind of their last resort. Yeah, like they've been sent to Urology. They've been sent to the OB/GYN. They've been sent to their Primary Care they've been sent to Ortho. They've been sent everywhere. And so by the time they get to me they've had so many tests done and so much in base of work done that when we do the internal exam and I finished and I'm like, okay we're done with that part. They look at me. Like what do you mean you're done like that? Was it because I've been through So much and especially like if it's with bladder like Urology where they do all the testing or they fill the bladder and empty the bladder and see what it can do and see what it can't like our testing here is so minimally invasive compared to some of the other stuff that they've done and I know when I had my son like, I mean, you're just like facing the door you're like spread eagle and there's all these people coming in and out and you're like waiting and they're stitching you up and you're like, I don't know who these people are. Like, where's my child? So for me, it was like like it's fine. I don't really Care what you see down there and that's how most moms are but by the time they get to me, but everyone's different and so I give everyone the freedom to kind of choose how they want their first session to go and that's what any good PT should do so that leaves an interesting point to from your perspective. So if you compare the situation to actually deliver your child, I am 0% concerned what my OB thinks about seeing my vagina or what the nurses think about. We find a but for some reason I guess because I wasn't In the Heat of the Moment. Yeah, I was so nervous about this like random person more. So the second times the second experience. I went I was pregnant. So I was like, okay. I'm so hyper aware of what's going on. Yeah from your friend back to have you've chosen career and vaginas. Well, yeah. Yeah your take on Mike. I'm like, do I need what if I have my period like no, no, no. No, I was conscious about my big giant like yeah my vagina. Normal, yeah, you're looking the bottom line is there's like no normal. Like I think if you go even as like about four PT, if you go to the training on the first day of the continuing education pretty much the first thing you do like all day long is just look at different but John has like seriously like the first maybe 15 slides are just different vaginas and like what they look like and vulvas and how they're shaped differently and how they look different and how they might be colored different or things like that and how those are all considered normal. There's like nothing that freaks me out about that. I really honestly don't worry about any of that. And once I like figure out where we're at and not to be wise and make sure everything looks like find there's nothing that's of any type of concern in terms of infection or anything most of the internal exam. I'm not looking down there like it's not something where I'm like standing like in between your legs like looking into your legs the whole time that we're doing manual like most of them off to the side once I like make sure that there's nothing concerning their then I I can still feel the muscle I can still access the muscle and see how it's working and be off to the side so that I'm not actually just like staring at you and you don't feel uncomfortable most of the time. I'm just talking about like hey, would you do this weekend or like hey what you got going on tonight or things like that? So anyone who's like self-conscious about that? I would tell you like that doesn't freak us out at all. We are so used to vaginas and vulvas and all the things that people are like scared to say that it doesn't like we're to South at all whether or not The shave that day. No, not really. I mean at this point, like I said, I've had a child and having been to those courses and things like that. That's like all you look at and then the more you treat obviously the more comfortable you get with it, but I would definitely tell people like don't worry about what it looks like. I know I was terrified to look down there like after I had mine I was like, I'm just not even going to look I don't even want to know what it looks like. You haven't done I've lived now. He'll beat you to have this month. So I have looked now so I know now what it looks like. Like but probably for the first year I was like, I'm not even gonna I don't even know anyone know what's what I have your aunt looked at my vagina in five years. I have a lot of women who don't they have no idea. Yeah, and I don't I get it. I completely get it. And so I was telling like, hey, it looks normal. They just so you know, like everything looks fine. And that doesn't freak me out and then they're like, okay good to know just look normal. Okay, so I have like, I'll treat like friends and stuff like that and they're like is this going to be weird that you've like see you treat done there? Yeah, that's but it doesn't like to me. It's just I mean, it's a body part. Like it's just another nigga need a part right? It's like it's that's where the muscle is. So that's where we are. So it doesn't doesn't weird me out at all. So they're probably thinking way less about it than you are. So if you're trying to like get yourself together and make sure everything is clean and like like neatly shaven and all that stuff. Like it's really fun. Like we're not we're not thinking that much about it. I love that so much because I think that's probably the biggest concern for most women is that they're self-conscious. Yeah, of course. Yeah, and I it's totally understandable. You just went through this huge change and you're probably feeling different and feeling weird and things especially like early was part on their swollen and there's Scar Tissue. Sometimes the stitches are still there. So it's like terrifying that someone would be in and or around that but like that's just part of what we do. So it's not anything. I promise promise promise that your for a more worried about it than we are. So when is the best or most appropriate time to be seeking help from Physiotherapist is it when you're pregnant. Is it like six weeks after what is your time frame? I absolutely recommend it while you're pregnant because we can help minimize the amount of things like AB separation or symptoms like prolapse we can work so much on pain or like any just just Comfort. There's so many discomforts and pains and random things that come with pregnancy that I think we've been taught like. Hey, once you're not pregnant anymore, like this will go away and sometimes you're like, wha On 4 months pregnant like I still have a long ways to go. So do I just deal with the sciatica or this like SI joint pain until I have this baby and I think that generally that has been the recommendation like no go away when you're not pregnant anymore. So I absolutely absolutely recommend public for or just even just physical therapy in general as long as your PT has some kind of training and modifications for pregnancy because obviously there's things like I don't want you doing tons of exercises laying on your back for a full hour if you don't have So as long as your PT has some kind of awareness of modifications for that. They don't even have to be like specifically public for certified and they can probably help you in regards to pain. But I also recommend it during pregnancy just because one the app separation like your abs are getting way pushed apart by this human that's in your body and separating them. So the more we can minimize that the better and then the easier that recovery process will be to we can work on public for function while You're pregnant. So the easiest way to think about it is public Force kind of like a hammock. So it's sitting like this babies like on top of it and as baby gets bigger and bigger it starts to kind of like sock more and more. There's more weight on it. You have a soda. Yeah. So you have this opportunity to strengthen the pelvic floor with a weight on top of it which the weights about to come out. So once the weights out if you're fabulous at cables and public for contraction and relaxation with a weight on top of it. Think about how much easier that is when that baby gets here. Opposed to having 10 months where that hammock is just getting saggy or and so you're inside you're in the muscles getting more and more and more stressed and losing more and more and more strength as opposed to being able to go to a public or PT during pregnancy and work on strengthening it and holding it up so that it's not as weak. It's not as stretched by the time that you do go postpartum and then images things like safe lifting like people ask me that question all the time. They're like, what should I avoid? Like, there's not a good set of guidelines out there in terms of like hey, don't do one two and Three it's kind of like well, if you were doing it before you can do it now, but just be careful what you do and it's like well, I mean as especially if you've already got kids like you have to live you have I mean, you can't just stop living life. So helping people modify and learn what's safe and what's not and how to adjust to that during pregnancy I think is a huge deal to I'm going to take a really quick minute to talk to you about the fresh 20 because this podcast cannot exist without ads and sponsors and the fresh 20 has been a system that I've been using my house for a long time. And I love it. It makes meals and dinners. So so so so much easier now what it is. It's every Friday. I get delivered in my inbox of meal plan of five meals for dinners. It includes the meal prep guide for the week daily meal prep guide as well as a grocery list which includes the Ingredients and how much everything costs then? My sneaky little hack is I take that shopping list and I actually order all of the things on Instagram, but I don't need to leave my house. I just do it for my phone and they get delivered a few hours later then Sunday afternoon. 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They kept saying well your body remembers how to do it. But my back feels like I'm pooping out of bowling ball for low five months and it's hence pressure down there all the time. So that's something that and that's actually why I ended up seeking. Yeah public for PT because I was just it felt like there was a bowling ball sitting on China. All day and it's yeah, I still had a toddler to take care of at home with sucked. Right and those symptoms to are symptoms of prolapse as that heaviness that you go down there and we say the word prolapse and it freaks people out because they think that it's like this is O only menopausal women have prolapse and that means now you're like 80 years old and like you said Google like Google if you Google prolapse good care very much. Like yeah. It's like you're done for you have to have surgery. That's the only way to fix it. There's really nothing you can do about it. And that's all there is. And so it's terrifying. So I'm always careful with that word. I think that there's validation in the word because it helps you understand like hey, these symptoms are coming from XYZ, but I'm careful on it because you can be totally functional and have absolutely no symptoms and still be considered to have prolapse the prolapse itself like the diagnosis. There's not like good objective measurements for it. And so some of the research will say like, oh two percent of women have prolapse and some of it will say like oh 96% of women half Left afterwards because there's no good like measure of what that means and you can have people who are have awful prolapse, but don't have symptoms and you can have people who have a little bit of prolapse but are like having a ton of difficulty with function. It just totally depends and so like that heaviness. That's what I had when I tried to run again postpartum, which I did way too early. But anyways, that's like a different story. And so I went back to the doctor for my follow-up and I was like, hey, I'm having my heaviness. I'm having that pressure down here. Like this just doesn't feel right for me. And that was it. Like we didn't we didn't talk any more about it. We didn't do any kind of exam like she did an internal exam but I think I was laying down like that's a non gravity resisted position. So, of course like my organs aren't pressing down and laying on my back. I think there was yeah so there was no like functional prolapse assessment and so I basically went and listed symptoms of prolapse and was like, hey, this is what I'm having. And we didn't talk about it at all. Like we it was just going like well, you'll get better. It's what it is. That's it. And that was a hell and this is super common. Like it's pretty normal experience the people of had yeah, which is terrifying because like I said, I went home and I just like anyone else I Googled it and you're like, well, I just screwed myself up like now I know this is probably exactly and I mean seriously how terrifying is that the here as a new mom like my organs are falling on my body. That's horrifying and so that's when I reached out to my friend and I was like, these are my symptoms and she was like, yeah, you just did too much probably too soon back off a little bit. Try this this and this I have no problems now, it's like none but had I not had her already as a friend and like knew that she did public for PT that was not recommended by my doctor was not recommended by my OB, I wouldn't have known anything about it. And then if I went to Google it was like, well, there's nothing you can do. I mean there wasn't even a mental mention of pt on Google. It was just like Sorry, you messed up too late. Now. You're screwed. Every time you go to the bathroom or going to be thinking that your uterus stitches loose we can out. It was just terrifying I have like I said zero symptoms smell like fun, but it's because I knew her and so I think a big part of this which is why I'm so grateful for people like you who are getting this word out that this exists is just people knowing that it does exist. And then once they know it exists and they can seek it out. But if you don't exist, you can't speak it out. You don't know what you're asking for exactly. Exactly. So what are some of the other Major and common things that you see with new moms. Let's say specifically coming into your office. What are they struggling with? A lot of Newmont will one time. How do I find time to exercise? So a lot of what we'll do here is I will show them different exercises that are safe and that will feel good to them and help them get stronger, but they're using baby as their Assistance or like how can we lift baby more like in a safe way. How can we lift baby in a car seat in a safe way so that that at least if you don't have time to set aside Like a full-on exercise routine at least when you're doing things like being a mom you're doing them well and using the right muscles so that you actually are getting stronger. Anyways, the other thing is a lot of leaking and like I said the problem with that is that we normalize it we just kind of say like, oh, yeah, you just deal with that. Like that's just part of it just by some fancy underwear does suck ass. I'm gonna swear black leggings on a day, you know, you're going to be jumping a lot. Like are you kidding? Like no, I'm 28. I'm not doing that. That's not gonna work for me. The pain would sex after baby. You have a fun terrifying for people and puts a lot of stress on a lot of relationships like feeling like they can't perform the way that they want to and then that intimacy portion gets gone. And I even sometimes we'll have husbands come in and like sit with their wives like during treatment and be like listen to what I'm telling her regards of sensitivity or in regards of muscle tension and things like that so that they can get on board and be on the same page and then to like the observation Lap stuff we kind of already talked about that's another thing that I think is pretty common and fearful for moms when they come in like hey, I feel like I've lost his baby weight. But why do I still have like the mom belly? Like, why does why is it still soft here when it wasn't soft here before? So helping them figure out like what the actual source of that is and if we can kind of make that tension across the core greater. Can we get that to pull back in and heal appropriately? Yeah, cuz I was just and I guess I could come the the solution or the source of that problem. Well problem the source of that could come from a bunch of different things. Right because I have like Flappy skin. Yeah. Yeah, some people do it could just be genetics. It could just be that I hadn't had what's the fancy word diet, right separation is this is right - yeah, we just said Dr. Tell God. Yeah, Dr. Dee is easier you could be okay. So it could be things that are actually fixed or have a solution. Yeah, exactly. And so especially if you're really early postpartum like No, when I was pregnant, I did tons of add work because I thought like oh my abs are going to be super weak. And so I did tons and tons of app work and a lot of it I shouldn't have been doing because I was forcing more separation in the times and of course now, I know that but at the time I didn't and that's part of why I do this now is because I'm like if I as a physical therapist and as a female, did it know this like how does the general population know what to do and what not to do and if you look online, it'll be like, oh yeah planks are safe, but then the Article you read it'll be like no, they're not and then it'll be like, oh, yeah, you can do crunches and then that smells like no don't do crunches. Like what the heck am I supposed to, you know, actually listen to and then the OBGYNs they're fabulous at what they do, but their job is to make sure that you're medically stable. And so they as long as you're medically stable, they're not going to give you a list of things like hey, you can do this this and this but you shouldn't do this this and this so helping moms with that AB separation afterwards and hoping and realize like what's hurting and what's helping. I'm helping them decide if they might need to use something like a belt that they can wrap around postpartum or not helping them decide like hey, am I safe to go back to running or am I not with things like prolapse? Like what can I do? Should I be lifting more than this? Wait if they need a pessary like there's so many different things that we help with postpartum that I think most women just kind of think that there's not any help. Yeah. I didn't and I it's not even that I didn't think there was help for I never Associated public. Or physiotherapy with almost 90% of these issues you're talking about I Associated it with kegels and leaking China's. Yes. Yes, I hear all the time. People say well, my doctor already told me to do kegels. I'm already working on that. So like I don't really see need to come to what's the point if you're just gonna do exactly and I'm like there one there so many women who keep those are not appropriate for if they've got tight restricted public Force if they had a traumatic birth experience that's caused a lot of that restriction a lot of that tightness I have Women who are really good at strength. Like they have really strong cables, but they can't hold it. So like yeah, you've got a great capable, but you can only hold it for two seconds. Well, guess what happens when your bladder fills? You probably hold it hold it for about 2 seconds. So like just figuring out like our cables even appropriate for you. And then I have women who will come in and doing are doing the opposite of a cable. So they'll think like I'll say well if you're gonna do a cable which you do and they'll show me what they're doing and it's the opposite so I think There's a study that actually talked about like hey this doctor recommended like just verbal like hey go home do Kinko's and see if this gets better and out of the women that went home and did their kegels 40% of them were doing them incorrectly. So almost half of the women were even doing them. Right and then out of that 40 percent 25 percent of those people are actually doing them backwards. So like instead of like lifting up they were bearing down and that was promoting even worsening symptoms. So not only are they doing Wrong, but they're doing something that's going to make their symptoms worse and then they go back to the doctor and a few weeks and they say hey, I've been doing my kegels. I'm doing what you told me to do, and I'm not any better. So then the doctor will say like hey, okay. Well then I guess we need to do surgery. Like, why would we send you to PT because I told you to cables and it didn't work and psyche but they're not doing like verbal instruction of cables doesn't work. Like it just doesn't. Oh my gosh, that's so you just kind of blew my mind. And if anyone who's listening right now isn't doing a Kegel or What you're doing how these older again my mind is a lot like trying out a bunch of different versions as you shocked. Yeah, but it's crazy. And I you funny because I remember so well when I was walk through how to do it properly. Yeah, I strike. I really truly struggled with yeah. I was doing it wrong first. I couldn't grasp the movement that I was supposed to do and it was death. I did she had to draw me a picture. No. Yeah. Yeah, it takes like I will spend maybe even sometimes the first like four or five sessions. Just getting someone to do a proper cable. Sometimes that takes like internal assessment. Sometimes we use things like biofeedback that can tell you like. Hey you're doing it or no, you're not. It's everyone's really really different. But that's why to if you come in like during pregnancy, we can do internal exam during pregnancy as long as it's clear by your doctor. So as long as your doctor's fine with it, I mean, like people are having sex when they're pregnant. So what difference is like my finger going to make versus your partner. So having people come in and say like hey, that's a correct cable like what you're doing. Doing right now is fabulous. Then they know what it feels like so that when they come back and see me postpartum. I'm like, hey you had this before so we know we have it because a lot of times that mind-muscle connection gets totally disconnected during birth. And so you come in and you're like am I doing it and I'm like no, I think nothing's happening. But I know that you know how to do this because I saw you break during pregnancy so it comes back faster and then that's something that you can be working on like in the interim while you're peeling between when you have baby and when you actually get back in, The clinic so that that way you're not just going like for six weeks. Whatever it is that your doctor ways to clear you. You're not going all that time was just no muscle function at all. It's something you can go ahead and get started on because you know what, it feels like and you know where to pick it up. So so it's six weeks sort of that magical your prove to come see you that's like typically when it tends to be it's different for every doctor like some doctors want to wait eight weeks and it depends sometimes on C-section versus vaginal, but it's usually just kind of up to the doctor depends on Stitches. And things like that and so usually six weeks is where we get clearance to move forward. But the problem that I have with the six feet point is that I know for me postpartum in this might be different than other people's experiences at six weeks. It was kind of just like hey go like go you're trying to yeah, and you're like, okay, but I wasn't I wasn't cleared to do that like yesterday. So like why is today this magical day where midnight struck and it's been six weeks and now I can go do whatever I want to do. And this is like the general guideline is like hey just ease back into it. But that means something totally different for everyone. Like I was exercising a lot before so for me to ease back into things was like I'm going to go on a light Jog and I'll just do interval jogging like probably a minute on a minute off. We're like for someone else it might be like, hey, I'm gonna work on some sitting to standing today and there was no one to guide what easing back into it and what that meant to do it safely. And so I set myself back like a lot because I pushed too hard because again, I fell into this trap of you're going to bounce back your active. You know the body like you're young and it's going to just be totally fine and great. And even when I had symptoms like easing back into it if I talked about it with people is coming. Oh, yeah, of course you had like a not at all. Yeah like you I mean, what do you expect you're going to the gym and you're doing heavy squats? Like, of course, you're going to have a little bit of leaking. There's like no, but I don't want that for me. And for my mental health and like if this is my escape and this exercise is like where I go to keep my sanity and then I get here and I'm constantly reminded of like all these things that are setting me back. I don't want that for me and so like figuring out what that took to fix that and then figuring out that that wasn't available to so many women was just like a total like mind-blowing experience because it's like I I just thought you have the baby and like you just go back to normal and I'm like if I fell for that trap, I know so many. Other people are falling for that trap to it's terrifying it is and it's it's so easy to and I was in a very similar situation to you with my first I like I ran my first ever half marathon when I was pregnant with my first I was doing kettlebell swings until I was 35 weeks pregnant. Yeah, but of course, I went back into a boot camp at two weeks after having this baby and I was not in hindsight. I'm not ready to them so much that just said Erica get the frick out of the gym. Yeah it on the couch. Yeah bottle your beer. But exactly it's a mental health Escape for me. So right maybe instead of going to do kettlebell swings I go for a light walk with the stroke rate and there are so many things that we can do is new moms that we can do to exercise and to stay moving. I just didn't know any of them at the time. I'm so like that education and that understanding of what's appropriate and what's not I think that there's also another extreme of like women who are afraid to do anything because there is no good guidance out there. Like you can't just Google like hey, can I do this at 6 weeks postpartum like that? There's just nothing a guideline like that. And so there's so many women who avoid like anything at all and I know like a lot of the trainer's I've worked with and things like that. They hesitate so much to give women heavy exercise of because their postpartum but if you're lifting a baby you're lifting a car seat and think about if you've got to you've got one on each hip like you are squatting. You're lifting your In all these things that I think traditionally we've been told like hey hold off on that. Like don't don't worry about getting back to that. It will come like in a year. It's like no you're doing that like day to postpartum you're picking up a car seat. You're putting them in the car. You're lifting your twin your twisting like there's all this stuff that you have to be able to do and like if you're telling me that I can't do it. Like what am I supposed to do with my baby? And so teaching women how to do it safely and use their bodies well and make sure that every muscle that needs. Needs to be engaged is engaged in working the way that it's supposed to is so important but that again is something that's not really talked about. It's kind of like you go to your follow-up and they make sure again you're medically stable and then it's kind of like, all right. Good luck. See you later. God's be in your favor. Exactly. It's crazy. And I think it ties back to this whole new generation of super mom and I I'm I hate that word so much because I don't think it puts pressure on moms and exactly people say it to me sometimes because they see me doing a cleaning video or they see me exercising but I'm like button cool. I'm going to the gym because otherwise, you know, I would yell at my child. I'm not leaving because I have anxiety. I just doing what I have to give in my set of situations got myself, you know circumstances to do the best that I can and I mean, that's amazing. Yeah, but I'm not Super it's super mom doesn't exist and it's and there are days where you feel so good about everything you're doing and you're like, I have it all together. Like everyone's packed and ready and everything's in line. And then there's days where you like have a setback and understanding like that's normal and okay and life goes on and we're not going to like focus on that. We're going to focus on what we can do and not on what we can't do and so understanding that I think is super super important and understanding that it's okay to not have it all together all the time. But I think again we're bombarded with Dot and I was bombarded with like the oh, you're going to be fine. You're going to bounce back. No problem. And so you start to believe that you're like, oh, yeah, like I'm going to be different. Like if anyone's going to be able to meet me. I work out all the time School therapist. Of course, I'm going to just bounce back and it was like this real shock when I didn't and that I couldn't set out of bed. Like I could it took me like 30 minutes to get up and down the stairs like you have absolutely no ABS at all and you're just like this is not what I thought it was going to be and so that on top of just the already there stress of like a new mom and I'm not sleeping and I'm trying to nurse and no one told me that that was going to like be painful and like I like everyone's like makes it seem like this just instinctual thing and I think you guys are going to open up and the lights going to come down and it's just beautiful and eventually it was like eventually it got easier but like those first six weeks nursing was not a good experience for me and for us like it was hard. And so that on top of I can't move how I thought I was gonna be able to move by now. I thought I was me back in the gym at 6 weeks. I thought I was going to be like pretty much back to normal and I wasn't that her like that was really hard on top of everything else that's already going on. So I think understanding that it's okay to not be there and it's totally normal to not be there if I had had I think someone who could have guided me out. What I could do. I would have been able to focus on that like okay this week. We started adding some squats. I'm going to add in some squats. At home. I'm going to hold my baby as I wait. I'm going to engage my hips away. I'm supposed to I'm going to engage My Hope for the Rams supposed to and at least that way I know moving forward but I didn't I didn't feel that way. I felt like so many days. I was moving backwards because I was because I didn't know what I was doing. And so if I had had something where I felt like I could have been making progress. I think that would have helped my mental health a little bit during that time. No, I think that it's so hard for doctors and Healthcare professionals to I think everyone's scared to say Publicly you can do this for you can't do this because it's so it's so individual. There's not one completely completely and that's why it's so important. I think to get in with a provider who can tell you like. Hey for you personally, this is safe. But for this person who's exactly the same amount plus Partners you are this is not safe right now and saying, okay. Well if this is not safe, here's something you can do that is safe. You don't just have to sit back and wait and wait wait, like watch time pass my you feel like you're going to be growing weaker. Yeah like but at 5 weeks and six days don't do it because it's you're not ready yet. Like I just think having someone who can individualize your program to you and watch you do the movement and watch you just move and see how you feel and assess that is huge huge huge and would have been a game-changer. I'm curious to get your perspective and your professional experience on C-section versus vaginal delivery because I suspect there's a lot of common uncommon problems, but there's also ones that are unique to eat. So yeah, I'm curious because I'm only had two vaginal delivery. So I can't speak to the C-sections but I'm gonna freeze how they compare. Yeah, so c-section and vaginal I typically and when I'm thinking about recovery, I'm thinking a little bit longer for C-section just because I think any time you have to cut through the tissue there's gonna be a little bit more healing time Associated there and mow so bees won't clear for a C-section or at least most ones around here won't until about 8 weeks and sometimes for bad weather clear like four to six weeks. So that little healing magical time frame that I kind of like already don't like anyways, but it's a little bit longer usually for C-section just because there is that cutting of the tissue. So that's a little bit different the vaginal deliveries. We have to work a lot because there's usually some degree of tearing of the vaginal delivery. Even if it's not that grade 3 grade for severe tear there's usually at minimum a grade 1 or grade to tear so they're still tearing in the muscle there. There's a lot more I won't say a lot more but there is a decent amount of pelvic floor Focus. Sighs you birth a child through the pelvic floor. So like I said in that quote normal birth, you get two hundred fifty percent stretch for terrifying to fifty percent stretch of the Common Core muscles, but if you have a C-section, you're probably not getting that because you're not birthing the child through the birth canal that doesn't mean that pelvic floor doesn't need Focus because again, we talked about that like hammock and that may be sitting on top of it. That's still happening for those full 10 months prior to birth. So the public for usually so Needs work, but it doesn't have the tearing and things like that that a vaginal birth with and then C-section. You've got the scar tissue just in a different place. You've been kind of the abdomen area and they've cut through that fascia that connects our muscles and helps with that mind-muscle connection. So that a lot of that is just Scar Tissue Massage over the front area, whether it's a vertical or horizontal cut depending on like whether it was emergency or what and then re-establishing that deep core connection to the belly like it's not just six pack muscles. And I have woman who Focus only on six pack muscles and that will set you back even further and make that like Mom belly even worse because it just separates the ABS even more. So there's a lot more focus on the abdomen area. I think with C-section just because that's obviously where you were cut but I think like once you get to about three months out, I feel like the treatment has largely the same because those muscles work together like deep core and pelvic floor work together. So once we figure out like where the deficit is, then we have to combine them and so about three months out if I can get get went in and get them going then it pretty much looks the same from that point for Royal about that's so helpful. Yeah. Now terms of one piece of advice you want to leave for women. What would you guide women in or make suggestions about this space and this area? Um, listen to your body. It's so important like your body is amazing and I think sometimes we forget that because it doesn't feel that way like you don't feel amazing postpartum like it's not this maybe are some women that felt that way but it's not this beautiful magical like everything's just perfect and the birds are outside singing like that's just not a thing like a lot for a lot of women and so Bobby like understanding that if you're having symptoms that you are feeling those symptoms are not head like you're not making them up and understanding that like there is resources out there that you can like find and go dig into there are so many amazing women on his Instagram. Now, that's Instagrams the coolest thing because there's so much good information there that wasn't available. I think prior to X all we had was just Google and Google is terrifying but So many really strong women out there who have been through it and can help and you just reach out to them and like say hey this is what's going on. Like what do you think and they're willing to respond and respond with good information that makes sense for you and your body. So just listening to your body and listening to it as it heals I think is so so important but then to keeping in mind like you're a lot stronger than you think you are. Yes your postpartum. Yes, like things I guess tissues are a little bit more vulnerable than they normally would be but you're not some like fragile butterfly like you your body is so cool. And the fact that you can have a baby and pick it up and look it around and put it on your body and walk around with it. Like that's crazy that amount of muscle work in the amount of like just going to work your body's having to do during that time. I think like I said that other extreme end of like just be careful and avoid everything because you're not going to heal properly because you're just this fragile thing that he's just in the corner during pregnancy to like any You saw me exercise during pregnancy. I can't tell you how many like unwarranted comments I got about how I was going to cause a miscarriage and like oh my gosh, my baby's going to come out way too small cause I'm not eating enough like that, but you're not this fragile being like yes, you need to be cleared by your doctor. And yes, you need make sure you're doing safe things. But listen to your body and listen to your doctor and then take it from there. Like you are so much stronger. I think than we've been taught like during pregnancy and after pregnancy. I love that so so much. I think it's such an important message. Because women are so freaking strong we can so cool. Yeah, it's so so so so cool what your body can do but you do have to listen to it and not just like push past symptoms and then of course make sure it's safe. But if it's safe, like just let those comments like brush-off. I had people all the time commenting like Elena shaky shouldn't be exercising like you're going to have this baby six weeks early because you're just walking so much one locator walk. Like I'm walking like I walk everywhere. So there's so much misinformation out there. Out there, so being your own Advocate and finding the correct information and finding people who have good accurate information is so important and then listening to your symptoms like just because something says something safe online doesn't mean it's safe for you specifically. So listen to your body and then adjust accordingly. I love it. Where can people find you online or ask you questions if you happen to have any so you can find me online. Let me like actually wrote it down. Our Facebook is be MPT Columbus North so that's benchmark. Oh therapy Columbus North so you can message me on there. That's probably the easiest way to get to me. I used to have like a little sticks to Graham thing, but then life happened and I don't know how you do it because keeping up with Instagram and like content stuff is exhausting like it's so hard. I think it's super underestimated so Props to you, but I don't really have one anymore. I think there's one up but I don't really use it so you can message me on there, but I might not get back to you for like a couple months. There's like so many good people on Instagram though and Happy to send you a list of people that I like love on Instagram in terms of like healing and postpartum stuff so that you can get it out to whoever you feel like needs it but there's so much wonderful stuff out there. I do my friend that I talked about that is public or physical therapist. Her Instagram is the pelvis Pro and she has wonderful information out there about like posture and how to carry your baby and I will hold them. So I probably sent them like her way from now. Sorry Mercy, but you can message me at So that the clinic Facebook that's probably the easiest way to get to me for right now. Perfect. So I'll get all the links from you and then I'll throw them in the description below. So people can hunt you down because I'd love your perspective and your take on things. It's so refreshing to have someone to just genuinely cares so much about women's health and making sure all the appropriate information that's out there. So thank you solutely. Thank you so much for having me and for getting the word out because like I said, you can't advocate for it. If you don't know that it exists. So I hope that even if we just teach one person that like hey, maybe I should go. For this that's super important amazing. Thank you. Alright. Thank you.

Let’s chat about your PELVIC FLOOR! Yup, that’s right, something that’s oh so important, but doesn’t get the proper credit it deserves when you grow tiny human inside of you. So, this week, I chat with pelvic floor physiotherapist, Rachel Selman all about: What exactly happens at pelvic floor physio? Should people feel uncomfortable or awkward? What do you think when she see somebody’s vagina? Should people go to a pelvic floor physio while pregnant? How soon should people go after delivering? Is there a difference between vaginal birth and caesarian? What are the most common issues she sees? If you’d like to reach out to Rachel, message her Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/BMPTColumbusNorth As promised, here are a few of her Instagram pelvic floor physio inspirations: @the.vagina.whisperer @madison.cleckler @tobirthandbeyondpodcast @popuplift @thedowntheredoc @thepelvispro All about Rachel: Rachel graduated with honors from the Georgia Institute of Technology with her bachelors degree in chemistry. She then went on to Mercer University where she earned her doctorate in physical therapy. Since then, she has attended post-graduate training for certification in dry needling through the Spinal Manipulation Institute and achieved the title of certified strength and conditioning coach through the National Strength and Conditioning Association. She underwent additional training through the Herman and Wallace Pelvic Rehabilitation Institute to specialize in women’s health physical therapy. She is passionate about treating the source of pain rather than chasing the symptoms to ensure long-term results and encourage life-long activity. All about Mom Break: You can find me, Erica from Mom Break, on Instagram (www.instagram.com/mom.break) or at my website (www.mombreak.ca).

What's up tempers? Welcome back another episode of hyper Heroes here on hyper rabbit power go very excited be talking about some of the stuff it rarely happens that on the day we record big news is announced. Thank God because I would have hated to have to wait a whole week to talk about this sure amazing casting for Suicide Squad. But before we do that, well, you know that we are also doing our Titans podcast we recorded that tonight as well that is now available exclusively on patreon for part of the Piper homies, tear the $5 tier or any tier above that you'll have immediate access to that. That's a weekly thing that we just started its episode 2 rows and we're super excited to to continue talking about that show and on top of that. We had a very special guest on that podcast who is now joining us for this lovely episode. Matt Acevedo is here. Hello. Everyone double dipping is double dipping great. Haven't had you on in a long time. I know man, I think the last time you were a guest on this show was we're at the old house. Yeah, that's crazy, which has been that long. It's kind of amazing how quickly we've already been in the studio. It's already been we're like we're going to be what's nine and a half months almost a year. We're going to it's going to go really quick baby and it's nuts to me that ye have not asked you to come back. Well, it's good to be back then, you know life's busy and less crazy and it's amazing. Yeah, like how many weeks already gone by and it's like whenever we come back together. It's like no time has passed. It's like dude. We're just jump right back into it. And we're hoping that if all this podcast stuff goes really really well. You'll be able to hear a lot more of Matt. Yeah and a lot more of our other wonderful friends in the Of hyper Heroes family that we will frequently call upon in case again week to week. We have scheduling stuff come up and Augustine could be on the episode today, but he did watch tighten securely back for episode 3 of the podcast and the plan is for me Adam and Auggie to tackle Titans, but moving forward potentiality talking about other TV shows Matt watch has a bunch of TV. We've got a blue friends at watch a bunch of great different shows and I would love to be able to say that hyper Heroes is sort of tackling a broader thing. That is what like the three of us can normally do whilst. Kind of maintaining that that that feel in that community and everything. So yes, I so thank you. Again. Matt for being here. Can we pledged to you about this stuff about to get into yes, but the Titans podcast was dope though. Super fun, man. Yeah, we talked about. Yeah, so and by the way, if you're listening to the podcast version, you know, we're on Soundcloud iTunes Spotify all that major stuff, you know, come over to YouTube check out the video version or vice versa. If you've only watched the video and you're always wondering like I wish this was a podcast. What do they look like? It is it is a podcaster. It's on SoundCloud we put it up every single week and you know if we fall behind a little bit we always put the episodes up no matter what actually did a poll on Twitter and I asked people if they like the full episode if they like little excerpts or if they want both. It was like a landslide vote 96% or something was like that. Just give us the full episode of Mike great. It means I don't have to do any more work. Thank you. People will drive around longer before getting to work just to finish out the hour-long episode. I've done that. I've been I've been guilty of doing that. Yeah, no guilt man. No good. No good. Found around the block here and you're gonna need to take at least three more to find traffic and we're parking anywhere Nellie's that's true. That's true. But let's get into this huge announcement. There's been a lot of speculation a lot of teasing happening a lot of rumors that have been going around as to who is actually going to be in The Suicide Squad and I feel like with throughout the last like six months. We've gone a little things here and there some of the people who are returning some of the trades reporting like, oh we got news that this actor is going to be in it and that actor is going to be in it, but James gonna Officially announced today the entire 24 cast Ensemble For Suicide Squad some returning some new cool. Let's go through them. So some of the ones that I'm happy to see returning. Yes Margot Robbie's Harley Quinn Jai Courtney as Boomerang. Yes, Joel Kinnaman is Rick flag and Viola Davis as Amanda Waller. That's the one on which you have to have that's have to have Amanda Waller in this movie. I mentioned this earlier today, but the thing that makes me most excited is probably Viola Davis and the returning cast because however you feel about Said Squad, I think that we can all agree. It had a stellar cast it didn't have these and these building blocks of like and I feel like correct me if I'm wrong. This is really the first sort of True Blue sequel to like one of the movies in the sort of DC films slate since Man of Steel. Yeah, Batman versus Superman wasn't quite a Man of Steel to it was like something was part of the DC Justice League was sort of like a part 3 and also kind of something new. So everything up to this point has been Suicide Squad Aquaman Wonder Woman Shazam. They're all kind of been part 1 so this this the thing that's most exciting and for me the thing that is like the most promising about even taking on an Endeavor like this and trying to do a shared universe and trying to do a franchises like bringing in new directors bringing in new writers keeping that same cast moving the story forward. What is the potentiality of the story and it makes me happy because I'm like, I hope that that that Warner Brothers whoever else won't ultimately end up abandoning this continuity just because maybe it's not a successful at other things. Meanwhile like the Joker's coming out and it's And alone and it costs way less and it's getting a lot of critical Acclaim. Yeah, and it's probably going to make bank. I hope that we get both. I hope that the Warner Brothers is able to go we want to do these sort of, you know, different different Standalone movies. We want to do things maybe like the Robert Pattinson Batman the matter. He's Batman will be really not concerned with any continuity while still being like Oh got this other thing. We have Gal Gadot. We have Jason Momoa. We have naturally vitek relieved. I we have James Gunn Margot Robbie. We're going to see sooner than this. That was super exciting. So like that's the thing that makes me really excited and I think Viola Davis is Amanda Waller was my favorite thing about yeah, she's solid like the character itself Amanda Waller and favorite DC characters and could mean so many different things. I mean, I think very fairly often compared to a Nick Fury. Oh well, like the type of person who can just pull strings behind the scenes is always better for worse For Better or For Worse and such an interesting character to me when it's like in a big superhero, you know, bombastic Universe with larger-than-life characters. Somebody like Amanda Waller stand up to like a Batman and had Batman be like we call her the wall like that. She's so great in the Animated Series. Yes, unbelievably good. That's what I'm most excited about. But then of course all the rest of the cast is like, yeah great too. It's such a mystery man. Looking at this castle Yeah, you know so many names I never thought I would see in like ever innocence is quad casting like yeah, and I mean also going back to like, you know, some of the returning members Jai Courtney is boomerang. I'm I like oh, yeah, not that I'm not not that I don't like Jai Courtney, I think he's fine. But I think I'm Boomerang. He was really able to just be himself. Yeah, and that was that translated. So incredibly well to the character Boomerang and I and I want to see this character potentially show up in like a Flash movie that has her Miller. So I'm excited to see that character back. I like Joel Kinnaman a lot I think is also very strong actor. I think is Rick flag. I think there was a lot more potential for him to do more stuff. He just felt like a very by-the-book like Soldier. Yeah. I would like to see a little bit more character and I think with somebody like James And and and the writing and and the I think also just probably the tone of this movie is going to be different but similar to the first Suicide Squad and there's been a lot of talk of like well, is it a sequel or is that a reboot? Obviously when you have returning members, yes, it is a sequel at the same time. I think it's I don't want to say it's like a soft reboot. But I think Suicide Squad can be very much treated like an anthology Series where it can be new card every movie. That's what it is. That's what it is. Yeah it is. Yeah and I think depending on the mission. Mission that's your lineup is going to change based on like what mission and scenarios happening in the world but characters like Amanda Waller and Rick flag can sort of be like the through line. Yeah, Chill from movie to movie kind of like that's fun Gordon and Alfred in the old Batman movies. It's the same actor that gives you that continuity, but it's always like the cast itself is always changing. Yeah, so that excites me and like with having Margot Robbie's Harley Quinn back. Will she be a bigger character a smaller character? Who knows? She's going to be a prominent character in Birds of Prey. So I'm excited about seeing a Those returning cast members and I really really hope that especially with Jai Courtney. I don't want to see that character died. I am calm. I want to see those characters live. I think boomerangs gonna live to the end of this movie. Yeah, because Captain Boomerang and other characters like Deadshot and and now sort of often Harley Quinn are such staple of The Suicide Squad. Yeah. It's all the rest of them that just know people especially like Harley Quinn for is going to be like a big part of movie kind of like the selling point, you know, it's like she's like there. I don't know Iron Man early there, but she's like she's become kind of a pillar of the DCM. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, and because you have someone like Margot Robbie who's such a strong actor in that role and the way she played it was so beloved, even though it is like a very Twisted character. Yes, it's him. He will lend itself to Future films and especially Birds of Prey like, what's the evolution going to be of her as a character now abandoning The Joker and all that sort of stuff. Yeah. Yeah, but let's talk about this crazy cast that they've that they've assembled. This is sick. So the other cast members Without milk in as polkadot man, which we know has been confirmed John Cena as Peacemaker, which still not sure if that is for sure going to be the character that he's going to play Joaquin co-ceo Nathan Fillion. No clue who he's going to play in turn. That's what people are saying. I would be fine if he's locked until your bank with the fairest jacket, you know, your parents are jacket like hey, it's me and he want mailing Inge who she actually in she actually played a character in Wonder Woman. She was one of the warriors on the mascara. So people are speculating. Maybe she's gonna play a new God like a new role and it will be a new God could this time maybe into Ava Duvernay is New Gods movie? Oh, yeah. Did she have a character named in Wonder Woman? I think she did but I'm not I don't remember what it is. Flula Borg will be in this movie. Sean Gunn Juan Diego Botto storm Reed who was in your one of your most blenders sometime. I love it. Love. Armory of UV Davidson taika waititi which makes me so who doesn't love take a wild. Guess come on, Alice Braga Steve. Agee is going to be doing the voice of king shark to naxi KAC Danielle melchior as ratcatcher Peter Capaldi Julio Ruiz Jennifer Holland, Idris, Elba who was originally cast as Deadshot and they ended up changing that up. He's gonna be playing some sort of a new character. And then Michael Rooker is going to be in the movie like Peter Capaldi the classic. What Michaels Gunner? Yeah, come on, Jennifer Holland. She had a small role in bright burn. She was good. Yeah, and I'm like because I follow James gone and and I follow my Instagram and stuff. Like I see her all the time because they're together. They're together. Yeah, I'm like, oh, that's great. I it's nice to see her and she does it. She's a great actor. Yeah. It'll dry. It looked like I love the fact that like James Gunn works with a lot of the same same people, you know, not cool. It's not a big group. I'd like, you know, I love seeing Rook. I love seeing his brother and school that we brought tyka into this whole thing to so and Idris obviously. So it's it's funny to hear people say like there's a lot of Marvel people in this movie. I'm like, yeah, but the very talented come on your favorite actors. Yeah, there's no exclusivity. Sorry, they're actors. Yeah, there's no excuse like that. Let me tell you hate. You're going to hate Comic Book history. There's a lot of crossing over writers and artists. Yeah. Yeah. It's totally real right now is a big like flip, you know for sure like Bend is over on like Actually, look at Kirby the things he did was he created for Marvel and DC. Come on. Yeah, man, come on, come on. So, you know and what are their All in This Together? Yeah, I think are just helpless going to be Manchester black Oto be able to have his gorgeous accent his natural accent. He'll be powerful but not to put like pretty powerful character but still at a level where it's like you could you could be that powered and Beyond The Suicide Squad. Yeah, like God level another man level and he's black Superman. Yeah. That's what he says. I feel like I have no What Peter Capaldi would be I love Peter Capaldi? I think he's a fantastic doctor. A lot of people's favorite. Aw, dude. He's so good. He's such a great doctor. I don't know. What is going to be. How do you ever been in a superhero movie? I've never seen I didn't think so. I can't recall any any so nobody is I think doctor who might be like the biggest sort of like franchisee type of thing that you have done and Paddington true. What's it'll probably is gray series. It's a lovely hydrogen is great. Paddington is such like unsung like underrated Joy. Is this so good a man. Don't skip it. So I mean, I think it's I think it's really hard to speculate who all of these carrot all these actors could be playing because yeah, and it doesn't just like you were saying it doesn't have to just necessarily be super villains in the DC Universe, right? It could be people associated with the squad or with task force in the movie or Amanda Waller or yeah, or they're just characters in The Moon. Yeah. Yeah, like Nathan Fillion could play like a new character who is a guard at Belle Reve prison exactly. We could end up, you know, like just the same way that like Ike Barinholtz played again. Yeah for you know site. Got his Twitter. So he's a character. I don't know and you know, so so yeah, I don't want to get too like specula Tori right right comic book characters are because suicide squad has you such a crazy. Yeah Esther and different, you know, Manchester black was on the squad at one point. So that's what only reason I was like. Oh, that's what if if you could pair up an actor with a character from the comics. It doesn't have to be someone specifically from The Suicide Squad Ross, right? Yeah. It could be just someone from the DC Universe. Is there one particular actor character combo now, I do really like the Nathan Fillion as Hal Jordan, I think that's some guys first of all that's not always wanted and he a voice them in. Yeah. Yeah. I mean that would be great people were saying the Tigers going to play the same character from Green Lantern and I'm like, no, you know, Amanda Waller's dead in that timeline exactly am a basset. Thank you. Sorry. I don't know man, maybe like I don't know. Who do I love on The Suicide Squad Davidson, I could see him being like, I don't know like like as as or something. Yeah, he's lonely. That's good. Actually. Yeah toots - yeah tax to meet do we have zombies are to be day that we had size in the BCE you yet? No, I don't think so. Right. Yeah. We got him on Gotham. We had them on in the Batman Dark Knight trilogy. But yeah, I don't think he's been on this yet. So yeah, and it's a good one. I think I'd maybe like Michael Rooker to like voice a character. Yeah, obviously, I don't know it looks something like big CG monster. Yeah. No man may be Clayface out all but I also feel like then if you do that. That you lose the the aspect of Clayface. We're like, he's a good actor shrewd, you know could be a person a character actor complain that could be like a lot of different types of my co-workers. Just my coworker. That's it. Yeah, that's got to let us be Michael Rooker. I made a clay my face is Clay. That's it. I don't know. Oh my God, it's gonna take my body parts. Look at this. One thing that I do love that James Gunn when he tweeted this out. He said don't get too attached. Thank you. Get to attachment which you know, I mean, yeah, that wouldn't surprise me if in within 30 minutes of this movie for people. I like a sir death. Yeah. I mean we saw it happen in the first Suicide Squad unfortunately, but I have full faith that like James Bond were able to treat characters with enough love or will love them. When they when they die will be sad but will be like they were Gravely most like yeah as opposed to like those like two seconds of screen time. Yeah, you feel bad for the Actor was mushy banana vehicles in all the trailers not like well, he's not even in these Comic-Con panel. If you know, this is gonna be a fun movie. Yeah, it'd be great. I'm really excited about it and it starts filming later this month in Atlanta Georgia, and then I'm going to move over to Panama. So I as excited as I am about the cast some people point. I was like man, I hope we really do get a photo soon which I would like that though. I will say I wasn't crazy about the reveal of The Suicide Squad in 2016. Yeah that very much felt like Well, we have to do it because we're going to be filming Outdoors. Everyone's going to see us right and instead of there being shitty phone photos. Like let's get a production still but I would like to see something that's a little more stylized and gives us a little bit more flavor with the movies going to be because I thought that's still compared to what we got in the movie and granted that maybe we went through so many things. Yeah, it was such a difference between day one and then release date this I feel like because James Gunn is so specific with the look and the feel of his movies the first still of All the characters I think is going to have to really represent of like oh, this is what we should expect when this movie comes out in August of next year 2021. I guess that's so far. Long time. It's crazy. It'll be here before we know it. It will be before we know exactly what we got a ball of Disney plus to watch until then. Oh my God. Yeah, we're thinking of Disney plus damn the Netherlands damn them. So apparently the Netherlands got this like two month exclusive preview of everything coming to Disney plus and It's a huge lineup. It's like over 46 different Marvel properties cool and spanning from animation to live action and I put out a tweet. I think it was yesterday the day before and I said like hey don't get too excited because not all this stuff might be available in your territory at launch the point because I think that when they talked about what was coming to Disney Plus in terms of the MCU, it's not that many movies. It's going to be awhile before all of them show up. Whereas the Netherlands they have all three Iron Man movies all three. In America movie Black Panther Guardians one and two and then one and tooth or all three Thor movies Doctor Strange black panther all the Avengers movies up to Infinity War. They don't have any game on there yet. Whereas I think here. I think it's debuting with like I think it's the first three Iron Man movies Captain Marvel be on there and then like a few movies throughout it doesn't have everything. So and a lot of people got excited about all the animated stuff. There's like the X-Men series from the 90s Spider-Man a bunch of stuff from like the pre like pre 90s. That's great. So there's a A really really cool content on here. But I like I just want to warn people in the states share another territories like not all of this stuff might be available where you are a launch so I would hate for people to see this and get super super excited. Yeah, and then when it launches they're like what the hell I was like thing two months ago had up all the stuff on. Yeah. Yeah, this is great. But it's already me as a completionist. What am I going to say? This is already but why what are we missing? What are we missing in terms of I mean in terms of animated know terms of the movies. Oh 3D MCU now when that yes, of course, of course, of course buddy. Yeah the first thing the first thing I went to yeah said movies: I started going through the canal that like the chronological release of the Incredible Hulk Incredible Hulk and I was like the Spider-Man's are there. Yeah. So already I'm like Cena here's the thing about I don't like physical media. I like all my stuff streaming. Yeah, I'm definitely getting dizzy plus because it going to have all of it wrong. It's not going to have. Oh no. No, you know and I guess of his own way. Sirius is Netherlands, but it's like oh, it seems likely it's owned by other Studios. We're not going to have the Incredible Hulk on the now again, you're probably watching them. I don't care. Okay, that's fine. But it's fine, please but like from yeah, like for us it's like no I want to see that if I want to see the Marvel Cinematic Universe on Disney plus. Yeah. Well the whole thank you if you were banking on this thing to be like well now this is going to be my collection. I save space I say money I buy this thing and all the MCU will be on there and I'm like, no. No that's only not work. That's only going to work for like Disney animated movies for sure. And honestly, I mean, like I said you do that and then and even then, You'll get the thing. And again if you're a completionist and they'll probably be people. I'm sure most people on Earth do not care but like you'll log into the thing and you're like well wait, where's the where's the three Caballeros movie from 1945 or whatever like during the War years of the oh, there's a bunch of stuff missing. Where's where's this? Where's that? Where's Peter and the Wolf, where's all this others? You know, there's all this other stuff. Yeah, where's Fantasia 2000, where's you know, there's gonna be things that's like not high on the priority list. They'll probably have your lion kings and your Aladdin's and your snow white, but like the you know, like they might not have Black Cauldron it might not have Oliver and Company. That I have will be stuff on there that all I'm saying is this this service looks fantastic. I'm absolutely already got it say I got it. I'm in it for three years, but it for three years and it but I hope that with this like first of all people can't complain that they don't have everything exactly like what we're talking about. Yeah, and it's a thing of like you're paying it so few months. Yeah, like if you wanted there to be a place where they were empty every MCU movie should have been buying the Blu-ray since they've been coming out nose, and that's all I'm saying. Time to catch up on all that stuff. So for me, it's cool that they're all going to be there. But like I got my Blu-rays I got my movies. I'm set and I even have as many of the TV the MCU TV shows live action that they released on Blu-ray, but it is cool that they have the rest of it. And in terms of old cartoon shows. That's absolutely very cool. But I saw another thing somebody online was saying I really hope that Disney plus puts the X-Men animated series and maybe some other ones in like production order because not even The DVDs they sell went to the trouble of putting them like in the in the right order instead of like whenever it was aired or whatever. So it's like we're not done in time. Yes, put other stuff like there's to put like so I really hope therefore that as well. Yeah. I know a thing I was asking for months ago was like put Buzz Lightyear of Star Command on their the cartoon short intro is great. I really liked it. I went and actually recently finished watching all of it and I watch it in the correct order. Yeah, and you can do the same thing with Star Wars Rebels more Clone Wars. Yeah. What I was going to say and I'm like it would be cool. If there were two options if like you click on clone wars, and it's a cool. Do you want to watch this logical route like in Timeline order or the way that are do you usually go the way that it aired. There you go or timeline order. That's cool. And then it would be the cool new way for people to see maybe a show that they had seen before so like again X-Men animated series. I know they're never going to do this because they probably won't do this with the MCU but would be so dope to be like I'm doing the MCU from the beginning to end and then you get to Iron Man 3. And then the next thing in your queue is like H to Shield episode 1 That would be amazing to watch HDTV she'll be so and then every time it's like poop Thor 2 times gamma watched or to cool. You keep watching look Winter Soldier all cool and that would be dope but that there's potential but yeah, that's like I think we're a ways away from that but that ways away. I think really believe that but I think that's such a good idea. We know that works at Disney. What do we know Matt who we gotta get the message out there? Let him know and again, I ain't mad at him for not having everything. That's all I'm asking for. But what I'm saying is to build a community it would be cool to have little options like that. It'd be pretty good. It was so funny when I was doing when I was with when I was putting this together. I was like, I don't know how I don't want to throw mad under the bus here how much Ken matz say about all this like, I can't say. Yeah, that's a but all of this to say. I'm very excited. But again, You're saying Adam don't get mad if stuff doesn't show up. Yeah launches in your area. And if you are the type of person that's like oh how I wanted. Everything should have bought it and physical media wins again and like, you know, I think that I guess I'm like I said, all right, you want the thing that I think you did a great job. You did a great. Thanks Rachel. Thanks man. Thanks man. The thing that I will say, I don't work for Disney, but I did go to d23 and one of the things that they that they did say was when things end this on. Okay hand me a paper towel paper towel. That's smart. That's good for the environment. Just let me grab that wash that let me take you can wipe your butt with and then, you know, watch him read, you know, anyway, when I was at 23, they did say that one stuff does show up on Disney plus it will permanently stay there. There's no there's no rotating content. So I think yeah stuff might not be there not everything will be there day one. But I think a year after that you're going to see how much stuff new and old will get put on Disney plus but I am a little sad though the fact that like yeah Incredible Hulk and Spider-Man movies won't be on there and it's like summer again. They'll be people who like fun good. I don't care. I don't like those Spider-Man. All right shut up, and then I'm not talking about. Um, yeah about the person who does care about that like yeah that completion missed. Yeah, and that goes for all the other decals for Star Wars a ghost Disney stuff that goes for I hope this I hope someday that like the theatrical Cuts will It on their Star Church is really interesting on there that's on Post-its cream pink cap it and it when you go to Star Wars that has stuff like broken down based on like it was live action or animated girl, whatever whatever and then says the Darth Vader collection has like Rogue one episodes, four five and six and then I think it has like Rebels on there like yeah. Oh we're going to we're going to we're making interesting collection and play this now. Yeah, it's that experimental with are watching, you know, if you couldn't, you know, throw some influence around there and be like, hey if you guys could do stuff in the chronological order. Beginning to end that we do. Yeah, I will whisper through the cracks and speaking of Disney plus some exciting casting if it happens it in confirm that this is happening but they did say that there is an offer on the table for hailee Steinfeld to placate Bishop in the Hawkeye this series for Disney is amazing casting if this goes through I think that was my Pitchfork ate fish up I think. Oh really? Yeah, I thought Like after I saw her at Transformers, I was like dude she would be great. She looks one just looks just like a bishop. Yes and to she's a great actress. Yeah, and I think she would do it like have so much fun. I think she would do. Well alongside Jeremy Renner, you know, I agree. Yeah, it was really cool to see this news drop because I did not see like a lick of negativity. I saw so many people of different ages because she has such a sort of a broad fanbase. Yeah fans of hers that are like, I love her and True Grit. I love seeing her as a very serious actor and then their fans are like ice armed. We'll be in choose dope and then she's got like the singing faintly. Oh, yeah young fans and young kids, but I feel like across the board. Everyone was like, alright, that's a great choice. He's such a like. I mean like she isn't she said to West Coast Adventure, you know saying yeah, that's yeah. I mean, it's pretty much all we can say about that. Like no like I also hope that it does go through. Yeah. I think it's really great casting and the really exciting thing is that the way things are panning out. Maybe we could get a Young Avengers movie and these actors that are playing these characters. Yeah, and some of the ones maybe we've already He met could still like could join that and be up on the big screen. So oh, I mean, oh, I would love that man. Yeah, man, who will be your startup starting lineup for a Young Avengers. Will you got to have Kate Bishop? Yep, I would love now that we have the Scrolls a whole chling. Yeah. Let me say, you know, and I would love depending on how One Division pans out depending on how the mole was a Madness. Dr. Strange Wanda and Visions Sons. Yeah speed and wicked like those would be great and we can was a huge part of Young Avengers man like that. Run, yes, because that 2007 or someone or yes and something - or would be amazing from Cassie Lang like from the Ant-Man movies or from endgame. I should say sooner. She's cast. Let's bring her back and then I'll probably go just to make it that old school like original lineup. I would go Patriot because with Patriot you could do a storyline that actually reveals and you could go back to some of the the the the visual storytelling some of the sets some of the actors of the Captain America the First Avenger. Era and go hey before Steve Rogers, they experimented on black men. They experimented on black soldiers and that's how we got Eli Bradley and then his grandson who is I think his name is also Eli. Maybe it's Isaiah Bradley is the grandfather's Isaiah Bradley's the original black man who gets experiments on but then like lives and becomes a Proto Captain America the First Captain America and do something. I mean, this is something that could be explored in a Disney Plus show. It's something that could be explored in a movie as like a subplot If it's an ensemble movie, like it's something that the MCU could go into and be like look we all love Stanley Tucci. We all loved that first Captain America movie and Howard Stark and everything. Here's what the government did and you know what? I mean? It's like Basin some troops, but it's also like the Marvel version of it and Steve never knew and now characters are learning about it. But then here's this new character Patriot and it could be a part of a Young Avengers like that. That would be cool the sick. I don't think that the MCU is something that should shy away from that look at the type of topics. They tackled in Black Panther briefly, you know, they touched on things like systemic racism and sort of world history and stuff in a way that strengthened the story now, so if it serves the story, you know go from it come in with yellow down the dope if you'll have it read Young Avengers the comments Gregor go back find out first volume. Yeah, it's from the writer of the OC and I was like, alright as a high schooler and then I read it. I was like, this is fantastic, California. Well, it's actually pretty good. It's yeah, but actually I think we casting is I think it's a great choice. If it does go through she's a fantastic actor and everything that from True Grit everything that she's made in the last like nine ten years. You've been really really great them and Bumblebee is just an awesome movie first and second of all, I was very happy with that movie. Yeah, and the fact that this character could spin off into or I guess you would technically take over the Hawkeyes series eventually and then spin off into the movies is It offer but her and Clint are like Partners first mentor mentee and decorate to like that's a lot for so funny. There's ribbon amick. Yeah keep Bishop man. Yeah, super exciting. Let's talk about this ginormous deal that JJ Abrams just made with Warner Brothers for 250 million doll hairs to develop a brand new style of are you talking about this on collider earlier today? And there was a lot of there were so many deals that JJ and and Bad Robot were sort of going through and so Many things that were on the table including Apple who wanted to acquire them for five hundred million dollars, but the reason that JJ end up not taking that deal was because they wanted exclusivity / JJ Abrams. So everything that he developed whatever he wrote produced directed everything was going to be exclusively for apple and the decision the reason for the decision that they made end up being. Well Apple didn't seem to really have any intention of going theatrical with any of their stuff that they're making now, right and on top of that. He didn't necessarily want to be pigeonholed. To just make things for One streaming service as we know Bad Robot they left to tackle things across all genres all mediums. Yeah, and if they're going to just exclusively produce stuff for one platform, I feel like creatively that's cutting JJ off from creating so many amazing things and on top of that. He's already doing stuff at Paramount with Star Trek and Mission Impossible the may end up doing more. Yeah, he may end up doing more stuff with Star Wars. So I think this is a good move. I think creatively this is a great move for JJ Abrams and and Bad Robot. With a company that will probably encourage them to creatively expand their things to so many different platforms that have that robot you put in here that batter about would develop a produced video games. Yeah only there's a battery by video gave me AB, I would be very interested to see a story driven game that they produce. Yeah, that'd be really really sweet man. Well, it's actually warmer media because like, you know Warner Brothers put it directly in the last video game. Was that bad robot today have anything to do with that? I feel like they did. I never played feel like yeah, it was not good. But it was I remember when I I came out for PS3. Oh, wow. They were like it's set in the continuity of the show. You can watch it. We've got the voice actors from the show. They're voicing you playing an original character running around on the island trying to solve the clues for Charles to solve the mystery. What the what in the what? Oh my anything we can help with anything we can do you have to go back go back we have to go back maybe but I'm like, but that game was bad. Yeah, I think but first and then they also did there was a Star Trek game that also was bad, but I was like they got Chris Pine and Zachary Quinto to remember that it was not good, but it was cool because they showed the Gorn for the first time nice and then you Kelvin universe and the yeah, I think them partner up with Warner Brothers media like their games are Italy shadow of mordor's of like that really they do in the really good stuff. So listen elephant in the room. We got to talk about it. Hmm is that five of ya is by as Bad Robot. Are they going to do DC superhero stuff? I mean JJ has a very close relationship with Ava Duvernay. Like they're very close friends. And now you're seeing now you're starting to see like storm read and all these people that like all these directors have worked with coming into the DC Universe. Yeah true. I think it's a very big possibility that you're going to see jury tackling some sort of DC property. Do I do I think it's going to be Superman? Yeah, probably not but I also think that if Warner Brothers is smart and based on a lot of a lot of filmmakers that are bringing in I'm starting to become very confident in what they're doing with their Universe. I really do hope that they can get someone like Ava Duvernay and JJ Abrams and some of the other filmmakers they have working with them now to sit down and say, okay cool. We have certain movies that are part of a shared Universe. We have some stuff that's going to be maybe like a DC Black Label or some elseworlds label cool. Let's get filmmakers to continue making those movies at the same time. Let's build this out. We make this universe actually really work and I did JJ is someone who did it with Mission Impossible. He did it with Star Wars and Star Trek out. He's someone who can come in and kind of look at the bigger picture and say great there's potential here. Yes, let's get these filmmakers together. And I think that we can really actually takes on like he just he keeps taking on more and more. I like that doesn't like commit to just one thing. He's yeah and I've done this. Let's try this now, you know, I think that's super super food and I'm looking forward to see More cool Bad Robot original stuff me too, because they did they did. That's how Matt Reeves got story at did they do that zombie? Which the first two are so good. Yeah, man, but did he do that Zombie World War II movie? Yes. I forgot what it was called. Like I forgot about the Lord is good. Yeah, that's my Netflix is like will take it. Yeah, and you're like and I hope and I but I think that that to me is the most exciting thing is the fact that like yeah GJ rooms as a filmmaker and Creator he's not going to want to not have the opportunity to create stuff for other platforms. And I think also like for Bad Robot more TV stuff aside from superheroes which like yeah, there's so much to mine from when it comes to the DC sort of Mythology, but Warner Brothers itself. It has such a rich history of Ooh, yeah. Oh, yeah that you know, he could find stuff that he thinks he could reboot and make better or stuff that hasn't been touched in 50 plus years. I could be better could add to yeah, we're stuff new stuff that could become a new part of like a Warner Brothers because I because I have brand loyalty to Warner Brothers. Yeah. I love the Looney Tunes. I love Lord of the Rings films of the Harry Potter. I love so many movies that have come out of that studio over. It's incredible history. Yeah, even if I don't get excited about stuff like a star is born. It's there that's still a huge part of that studio. Um, yeah so stuff like that would be dope man. Yeah, I like man if GTA with Bad Robot where the people would be like, okay here now, here's the new take on Looney Tunes. We're finally doing the new Looney Tunes thing. I'd be like, yes. Hit me up. If you want a good Scooby-Doo Movie y'all I got the idea for it. Let's do Scooby-Doo. Let's do more Hanna-Barbera stuff. I think they are doing good. Do I know but like photos leaked, right? Yeah what it was live action. It was like CG it was like a there's a photo leaks of like the CD. The figures of like Scooby and the Gang that's fine doctors already at there's already dying inside. The one that had like Ed Helms and a bunch of other like celebrities. Yeah stinkweed, that's fine. But if you want the live-action movie and then I'll again just to sum up JJ Abrams for me with the stuff that he abused his projects with our like heart if there's harsh needed Super 8 is just an open heart. I love that Super 8. I love the heart and Star Trek. I love the heart and force awakens. Yeah, even a Mission Impossible 3 is has way more heart than like the first to Mission Impossible. Pause and then it kind of carries through so like yeah, even if we learn in the coming weeks months whatever like they're like, yeah bed robot. They're doing Superman. JJ Abrams is going to write direct to Superman. I'm like, yeah hard for that. It will have heart. I am for that in the JJ Abrams of today is a very different JJ Abrams than when he was developing a lie, man back in the Mission Impossible 3 was the first feature film he directed in 2007 sakes 13 years ago thats a slick pick and then three years later. He did Star Trek which like was pretty damn good very damn good now. Now Ten Years Later like JJ Abrams has positioned himself in a way that makes them one of the most dominating not just as a director but a producer director writer and this whole company and such a dominating part of our industry. Yeah. Yeah. I want to see somebody like that be given the full potential to create anything that they potentially want. Yeah. Yeah, man, I totally agree. All right, JJ keep going man. Keep doing a baby going Mill JJ. We're Close out by watching this trailer for Watchman dope. Yeah, man, I'm exactly gave me the look of her. Hey we can kill time and it's fine. Have you seen I haven't seen this there's been okay. So here's the weird thing about this Watchman series from HBO. They've put out a bunch of teasers and like trailers. Yes. Yeah, but every time I see clips of them, they're like 15 30 seconds long. Yeah, and I've kind of just like waited until there's been a full two and a half minute trailer. Yeah, because I don't want to like see a bunch of little Snippets of stuff. I want to thank I totally agree that I'm not reading Doomsday Clock right now because I'm just waiting for us. A to finish just finish and I don't know I think Issue 11 out of 12. So I just saw that they're going to put out the first six in a collection and I'm kind of like kind of want to wait for the full twist all I'm saying to you they're gonna do it and I know so I'm like mast in the way for that full 12th now because I just put out Issue 11. Yeah somewhere so I can wait. Yeah good. Also Whoever has my original Watchman 12-issue hardcover. I have no idea where that is. So you hear if you have it bring it back if you want our show Bring It Back just gonna get like 800 Hardcovers male to use all right. Well, let's go this route. Here we go people who are masks. I like that. I like her. She's good actor Injustice. They suck a lot of her being a very cool mask. It hides the pain. I wear the mask to protect myself. Yep, right from the paint at look. It was a Calvary involved shooting last night Tulsa, Oklahoma, you're gonna give me the speech now what speech I should calm down take a breath. For were organ. No, there's a guy in my trunk delightful. Whoa, whoa kicked in my door to do that trip to hear ya. Johnny just forgot he's Ozymandias, right? That's why I think so. Yeah. So, it's great. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah nice. It's the only way to show you the truth. These helped start the 7th Cavalry from doing what triple occurs trying to start a war. Black freighter. Yeah. Oh, whoa. It looks really nothing good. I really does guys. It looks really I'm so over 20. That's so great. I just rewind I have to add this to our list of podcast maybe if we get enough support. Yeah. Well, they're excited about it that are probably going to watch week to week. It looks really interesting it look I just re-watched the movie The live-action 2009 Zack Snyder movie and still things I like about But as the years go on I am looking at it again with like a the things that I think people love the most are when it is different and not so, you know focused on recreating the the panels in the moments and everything and this just looks so tantalizing because it is all original. Yeah. It's a sequel It's the what happens after and yeah, and and what I'm excited about is because again, the comic book in the 80s was commenting on what was happening in comics and that kind of story then yeah, I think that the live-action movie and o9 was ahead of its time frankly where it's like, okay, I don't think it to me. It wasn't commenting enough on like what was happening in movies, but this show looks like it's so relevant. Yeah, and it's gonna be going to be commenting on what's happening today and what's happening, you know? Yeah some of the some of the like the political messages were weird in the film movie coming out being sort of like coming out in the first year of the Obama Administration after the two terms of bush and kind of what it was saying and kind of who it was siding with I'm like, Is this feel it just it wasn't as you know, it could have been maybe clearer but this show feels like it has a strong voice with its original content and what it's saying while using the Watchman world to be like here's what we're saying about the world today about television today, whatever whatever so really really excited. Yeah, man, it looks great. Yeah, and I think also the movie sort of had the challenge of because it is written and it came out in 1985. It's dealing with that time period in 2009. Yes. So it's like I feel like that messaging it's hard to make that clear because you're kind of dealing with like two different time periods and trying to make it all work in one thing. Yeah, and as this can sort of like be modern and say what has to say about today and because it is original, it doesn't it's not beholden to anything that came before it is can using the Watchman universe and like use that and yeah break it like topical today and stuff and do we know who's writing it? No, Lindelof is involved. He's in is if he's writing every episode or if it's like it's probably a team of writers. Yes imagine. But yeah, so but I think yet exciting really sad because he has talked about at length and I had been a fan of a lot of his work and some of his stuff hasn't quite hit with me. I haven't seen the leftovers yet people love the leftovers. He's talked about the influence at this book and world has had on him so much so that I'm like, you know, I want less remakes and reboots but really at the end of the day, that's not true. I just want all the same crap that I love the Fact that he gets to finally actually play in this playground is exciting because I'm like, yeah, we've seen the influence in your other work. You finally get a shot. What would you do with it now? What would you do with the thing that you are obsessed with in love and have such passion for let something that I know I feel like you would be you all want some like that like not opportunity to if you were able to write like the Scooby-Doo thing or something like yeah, but well my Scooby-Doo would just be a straight-up origin movie but it would be so good. Hit me up Bad Robot. They're not in charge of its Warner Brothers. They're already they already know what they're doing. Scooby-Doo, they don't do any but but yeah, I'm really curious in re mixing and reactive. Oh, I think that's that to me is the only way I will be excited about something. It's like great. It was kind of the same thing for me. Like I love Halloween David Gordon green came in and said like we're going to deal with the trauma of Laurie Strode and what happens 40 years after cool. That's something new and different. Yeah. It's not like it's great. Oh we're going to go in and we're going to explain thorn in the curse. And now I'm like, I don't I don't want that and the fact that you know, they're going to continue that to me. That's the most important thing. What's a filmmaker going to bring? To something that's established that is different than what we've seen before. I don't want to see the same thing. Yeah on this to me is like we're going to go back to the Watchman Universe. We're not going to try to remake the movie or make the movie into a new TV series. That's like modern. Let's just Advance forward and let's continue into in the world of Watchmen and see where this could have progressed from the comic book / the movie because the movie is basically the comic book, correct? 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Check out the Titans Podcast: http://bit.ly/TitansPodcast James Gunn announces the cast for DC's #TheSuicideSquad. The film sees the return of Margot Robbie, Jai Courtney, Joel Kinnaman, Viola Davis and is joined by newcomers Idris Elba, Storm Reid, Michael Rooker, Peter Davidson, David Dastmalchian, Daniela Melchior, Peter Capaldi, John Cena, Juaquin Cosio, Nathan Fillion, Maylin Ng, Flula Borg, Sean Gunn, Juan Diego Botto, Alice Braga, Steve Agee, Tinashe Kajese, Julio Ruiz, Jennifer Holland and Taika Waititi. The film begins production in Atlanta before moving to Panama. Netherlands gets an exclusive two month trial of Disney Plus, revealing a huge lineup of content from Marvel and Lucasfilm in live-action and animation, including the 1992 X-Men Animated Series, Spider-Man, and more. Hailee Steinfeld has been offered the co-lead in Marvel Studios' Hawkeye, where she would portray Kate Bishop and star opposite Jeremy Renner. J.J. Abrams signs a huge $250 million, 5-year production deal with WarnerMedia to develop and produce content across digital, theatrical and gaming. Bad Robot previously turned down a $500 million deal from Apple which would have wanted exclusivity over Abrams. Watchmen debuts a brand new trailer, starring Regina King and Don Johnson, and debuts on HBO on October 20.

Hi friends, welcome to the modern Mama's podcast where to Modern mama with the gold to inspire empowerment self-love deep physical and spiritual nourishment holistic health and Joy No Matter your journey gender or perspective. I'm Laura radical groups. I'm a certified cross the trainer certified nutrition consultant and Mama to Edie Wilder and I'm just Uphold the Space Wellness. I'm a level 1 Cross Fit trainer a license of certified athletic trainer with a master's in kinesiology and Mama to Baron Camille. Please note that while we're here to provide advice and insights. We aren't medical practitioners and always recommend that you check with the trusted provider before implementing any changes. Thanks for joining us or so happy you're here. Hey guys, welcome back to another episode of the modern Mama's podcast. It is just here and I have a really really special guest. I say that almost about every single guest that we have on I mean I really do but this one is highly anticipated. We have dr. Alana room L and I say your last name, right? Yes, you are. Good job. Hey, welcome to the podcast friend. Hey, thank you so much. You know, this is such an honor to be on your podcast because you know, Stephanie I so we host home mom has podcasts and so I think our Our audience is very similar. We share a lot of the same listeners. And so we obviously love to listen to your podcast. I'm sure just as much as you love to listen to ours. So this is just so fun to be a guest on your podcast. So it's a really an honor to be here. Thank you. I am so excited and I agree 100% It's kind of you know, it almost seems like everybody and their mom no pun intended is like doing a podcast. But at the same time, I really feel like this community of you know, Mama focused podcast is actually a lot smaller than you Realize and same to you guys. You guys are doing wonderful work love the topics that you guys bring and it's just it's amazing to have you on and bring your expertise to our little niche over here. Well, thanks, we're all about collaboration. We don't really believe in competition much because there's so much information to go around. So we're just so grateful for what you and Laura are doing and in all honesty. I kind of agree with you. I feel like there are a lot of podcasts out there and I think that we're growing in numbers with Mom focused ones. But for some reason they either kind of dwindle or you know, they're there they don't keep up as much but also its Hardware moms to so balancing a lot and putting out podcast is not the most simple straightforward thing. We were actually just talking about that right before hitting play on recording is there's a lot of editing that goes involved and scheduling and you know, just a lot that goes into it, but I think we're also passionate and committed to getting the messages out and we like creating Villages of moms to support each. After that, it's so well worth the time. I'm sure you and Laura can agree with that gosh 100% in all honestly. I also think that it can sometimes be hard to really create a space where it's truly kind of like a non-judgmental space and people feel heard and it's very kind of an unbiased, you know presentation of information and you guys do that. So well and I and that's been kind of first and foremost in our minds as we create content for the podcast and so I think that's really really unique. So you guys need to Pat yourselves on the back for that because it's a hard thing to nail. It's a really thanks. I really appreciate that acknowledgement. Yeah, that's very important to Stephen. I step actually is the one who really taught me that mostly because she's in she's really in such the world of content creation for these moms and she's really been a great example for me with that but I completely agree and I think you guys do great with that as well. Awesome. Well now that we got our lovefest out of them. Okay, I'm gonna have most of our listeners. Probably know who you are, but I'm going to give everyone a little brief bio on who you are what you do and why we're having you on the podcast today because you're a wealth of information. So for you guys who don't know. Dr. Alana Ramel is a naturopathic doctor with a passion for Pediatrics. She founded nourished Medical Center in San Diego, California in 2014 where she currently practices alongside a group of other naturopathic and medical doctors providing holistic care to the whole family. In addition to her private practice doctor Mel is a co-host of the Whole 30 sponsored. Pull Mama's podcast podcast episodes are weekly which give her the opportunity to share her knowledge stay up to date with new health topics and interview experts in the health field. Her intention is to empower parents with knowledge. So they are well-informed to make the best decisions for the health of their children with a love for teaching. She created med school for moms, which we are so excited to dive into more where she teaches mom's how to safely be a doctor mom. She loves to teach parents how to care for their children at home and equip them with the most effective tried and true natural. Remedies available for more information and to watch her free mini course, you can visit www.netsupportdna.com which we will link to in the show notes and you can also follow her on Instagram at dr. Alana Romel where she shares her journey as a mother and dr. From her kitchen to her medical office man life is just I mean, you're not busy at all. Are you, you know, just so funny because I don't think we often times hear our own bios being read very often and when I'm like listening to you, I'm like, oh my God, I'm so Busy, there's so many different hats that I wear but you know, I'm so passionate about this field and I'm I've just I've always known even as a student when I was in my medical school training. I always knew I wanted to Niche like it was something that was so attractive. I was never that kind of person that wanted to be a jack of all trades and master of none. I wanted to be a master at something and the minute. I became a mom and I was pregnant for the first time and I was just like embraced in this Village. Of motherhood. I just knew like this. Oh, I got the chills. Like this is the community that I want to serve and these are the little kids that I want to help and with my background on my personal story, which I'm sure we'll talk about in a little bit. It's just it's so aligned with who I am, which is really why I, you know decided to open up the medical center and why I decided to create the course I said to my husband the other day what goes on in my brain when I developed these kind of things is it Doesn't even feel like a choice like it feels like it's what has to be done. You know, like it's like I can't not do this. This is just the work that is meant to be happening in my life. And so I'm so called to do it and I'm so glad that I have the drive and the motivation and the organization to do it, but I am really excited just to have this second baby coming up in just a couple weeks actually as we're airing because it's going to really slow me down and and you know help me just reconnect back to really what my priority is. Life, which is my family and my own health so that then I can be there for other people and so slowing down is going to be so nice for me. And then and I'm really looking forward to that and then I get rejuvenated and then I get to help and kirino create more stuff for moms. And for kids, I love that and I will say from personal experience as someone I resonating with a lot of what you're saying. Obviously, I'm not a medical doctor. I was in the health profession before I kind of transitioned left out of that full-time, but my second kiddo first one she was kind of a process of learning to prioritize and learning to really relax a little bit too. I think kids are magical and that they kind of force you to slow down exactly what you were saying, but I'm super excited for you because I feel like a lot of my creative like energy and Direction really really emerged after the birth of our second kiddo. I don't know. I feel like there it's this, you know motherhood is this constant process of like shedding the old And like stepping into the new and so I'm just I feel giddy for you. Well think there's no question that what you said for me. I feel like every one of my children. So I've only had two so far. I'm about to have my second helps me create the next thing for what I'm out to creating for the world, you know, if first started with minors kids ebook and my nurse kids medicine kit when I first had a Vive and now with the second baby in this pregnancy, I've just been so So clear with the creation of med school for moms, and I feel like that's the gift. He's brought to my life and to into the world and I kind of said to my husband Anthony as I can't I don't know if we can stop because I know I have more in me. I think I'm probably gonna have to get pregnant a third time just to create like what's next and he just laughed at me. He's like, can you do without kick and you know, I was like, we don't know what's what's up for our future, you know, we're open to having more and we're also okay if we end up stopping after this one, so we're just going to give it some time. Pace ourselves, but there is definitely something that it for me and it definitely sounds like for you Jess and I'm sure so many of our listeners can relate is that there are I look at our children kind of like as armed use their people who have teach us so many lessons challenging ones for sure and also things that we may not have even known we had inside of us and so we actually birthed them and then birth a new person, you know with every labor that we go through and I think that is such a beautiful opportunity of growth in Expansion and service to the world. Oh, my gosh couldn't have said it better myself. That's amazing. Well, I can't wait. I'll be following along. We are like 98% done having children, but I can live well live vicariously through you. I love the 2% There's always that 2% in the background, you know, I'll be 36 this year actually in December and so it's kind of it's not that I feel like oh, I'm quote unquote too old or whatever. I feel nothing around that it's more just like there is A sense like our kiddos are three and six now and I'm like do I really want to go way back to the like the newborn? I know I get it. You know, I think it's important to honor that and you know have that discussion with your husband. So good luck with that, but it sounds like you guys are pretty firm would 98 is pretty strong. Yeah. Well, it's my husband Tim is the one who's like let's have seven. He's the one he's the one who wants to have more like a big heart. I know so sweet. He's way more patient than I am, but he's like and why don't you carry? Them and nurse them and stay up at night. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Maybe maybe you don't know on five years or so maybe dad's will be able to do all the hard work. So be awesome to have that shared. That's for sure. Okay before we dive in and just some you know, before we got, you know, I reached out and I was like, I've got to have you on I'm not really sure what that looks like, but I know your wealth of knowledge and I was thinking we would have a general direction for this podcast episode. But really when we did a Or questions, I think people just want to pick your brain. But also a lot of it was just around. How do we take you know this stuff that seems really hard to understand. You know, I think a lot of times the medical like medical community and Medical Care is kind of mystified and people really feel like they don't have the tools to you know, help themselves an illness or in health with you. You know what I'm saying? Like it feels hard and it feels Like something we can never understand and so I love your approach, especially with the creation of med school for moms and trying to really break down some intimidating Concepts and allowing regular old parents just like me to really I don't know care for their family. Yeah. Well, no, it was exactly my motivation is you know in practice. I just see mom's coming to me. So anxious about some things that are pretty minor and I just kept on thinking myself. There is no There's no shame in that there's no fault in that it's simply because they're not educated and I felt so privileged that I got to immerse myself in all this education for so many years and I really lent it to being a really calm confident mom when my kids got sick and I was like I shouldn't be the one that only has this information. You know, I don't like when moms are so dependent on their doctor for Assurance now there is a time and a place to use them their experts and it's important. That you know, they do come to us in times that they do feel like it's dangerous, but why not learn when it's important to go see the doctor and when you can really comfortably and confidently safely treat your child from home and not only is just so empowering but our kids get to see us in this light of like being like a hero, you know, and being like their nurturer and it's it's to me it's like a prerequisite it should be, you know, right for all the parents yet. There's never a manual or handbook for Seeing and I think the in its sap, it's not sad but it's inevitable our kids will get sick. It doesn't matter how vital or healthy they are or actually how chronically sick they are. They will all get sick at some point. And so I think it's just important that we all know our tools and if we don't then we're relying on the medical system, which are is very limited at times. So I had no choice and that's why med school for moms to me that name was like done like that's what it is. It's it's not medical school, so you're not coming. Hang out with like a degree or doctorate, you know in medicine, but you're definitely coming out of the program feeling calm competent and confident when your child gets sick because that's what I want for all parents. So whether it's a mom or a dad or a caretaker, I still Niche, you know Market it to Mom's because they're usually the ones who are most interested but it really could be for any caretaker and it's just an educational course where I really organize all of the material for you and my husband always told me that Ivan. If Dan organization I didn't actually appreciate that or realize that until he really pointed it out and I was like, I guess I do have like an F that and I like pretty things and I like charts and I like graphs and and I just wanted to make it as straight forward because it's already so busy as being a mom. It's overwhelming like there's enough things for us to choose every day all day. I wanted the material to be a straightforward and is easy as possible. So there are no more myths and it wasn't so intimidating and it was an easy thing for people to be like, okay, cool. I got this this awesome. Let's move on. Yeah, and I think you said organization, but I think there's this whole other overarching theme of information Organization for you to be able to take something that feels really complex like, you know illness or medical treatment and break down a complex idea into like actionable steps for like a lay person. That is a particular skill like because not everybody that can that does can actually teach right but for you to be able to do To teach I think that's just like phenomenal. That's a thanks. I appreciate that. There is a distinction with that. I agree and I love teaching it's I always said if I wasn't a doctor I'd be a teacher and I'm just so happy I get to do both essentially but that is true. I love taking complex topics and breaking it down for anyone to understand and you hear me? It's funny. My husband also laughed at me when I was like on the phone with said it was Sally me at this time now, it's not but this is where our school loans are. I literally would get on the phone. Phone and Mike. Hey, this is too complicated for me. So treat me like I'm in kindergarten and explain it to me. So I really understand where are my student loans and what's happening and I think that some people they do they just kind of talk over people's heads when it's not their field and I realized that for me to learn something. I do need it to be as simple as possible. Then I can add on the depth. So I think just for me that's my learning style. And so I like to teach it like that to other so thanks for that acknowledgement. I really appreciate it you Uh sure you're an expert not thanks debunking the experts stuff. So the for awesome. Yeah vaccines are probably the hardest and most complex. So I'm really proud of that course because that that was just an enormous amount of time and patience and you know to really break things down. But anyway, oh we go ahead. I know so many. No I was gonna say just real quick because you said vaccines. Is that part of the med school course, or is that a whole separate? Yes stop. The way that I created med school for moms is at originally I designed the curriculum to give you a whole overview of the mindset of being a doctor mom. So when is it important to really be fearful and when is it important, you know to go see the doctor or not and just like, how do we like get ourselves calm in order to make these decisions then I teach you the medicine. So the tools the conventional medicine the Natural Therapy so you actually know how to navigate and choose and if there are side effects to those medicines How do we like have solutions to those because there are solutions there's a time and a place for all medicine. So I love integrative medicines and then I have a Mastery course where I teach you / condition. So if your child has a fever let's dive into fever if your child is a cough dive into cough and we put it all together the mindset and the myths around cough and the medicines around cough. And then how do we Master this, you know, being a doctor mom and so as I designed the course, I realized look some people may not be interested in all of it. I feel confident that That if someone were to take all three courses they will Master how to be a doctor mom, but I you know, I wanted to be flexible. I wanted to be affordable so I decided all right, you could break up the courses if you just want one or the other or you can even get it some of them just in guidebook forms. So then let me wrap it up with my vaccine course the reason why then also out of the vaccine stuff was if a mom were to invest in all three of the courses that I throw in my vaccine course is like a free bonus because I'm like look if you're really investing. Self and truly becoming a doctor mom. You're going to want to know about vaccine. Yeah. So at that point that's kind of how that came to be and I just do so many vaccine consult in my practice. I am only one person and I only have so much time. So I just decided to do a presentation and then just record it. So if someone just wants a vaccine course, that's an option but the main goal is honestly to really feel confident about not just vaccines but everything that has to do with Pediatric Health or at least a good understanding. It's obviously not everything. Thing and so that's how the vaccine course kind of came about but I will be honest Jess and it's so sad, but I just hope that I can continue to offer my consult and continue to offer these online programs because in other countries like I just found out in Canada, you know, ND naturopathic doctors and even chiropractors. They they will actually have huge violations and even potential jail time for doing this kind of education which to me is just horrible and I couldn't believe Leave it. My jaw just dropped when I heard this and I was like, they're like at least you guys have freedom of speech and I was like, well, I feel like our rights are definitely being taken away in other ways. But yes at this point as long as I can educate believe me, I'm doing it so - I don't know how long that vaccine course is going to be available. But I'm hoping for a while. Okay. Well let the if you guys are even remotely interested in that information. You might want to jump on it. This is not a sales pitch, but I do feel like yeah. No, I'm daring real me. Yeah, I'm being real is in keep it up important. I mean not as so important and I think it's just it's an again before we dive into these questions. I want to also put out there. Dr. Ramel is not going to be able to give specific individual medical advice. Okay. So that's really the doctor-patient relationship. That's where that becomes established. But we're going to work through a lot of these questions in a general term. We do have some questions about vaccinations and her thoughts around it. So we're going to again it's going to be Pretty General and then if you want a deep dive, please please take advantage of the resources that she has created like the vaccine course our med school for moms, because there's only so much we can cover in an hour-long podcast episode and you've already done the work by creating that content and it's out there. So I just want to put that out do you feel comfortable with with that? Dr. Ramel? Yes. Thank you. I do appreciate it because I can only go into so much depth in interviews and podcast. So I just love that. Hey if you want more there's resources, so they're covered. Third and thank you for creating all those resources. So before we dive in I want to hear more about your story, you've given us some bits and pieces but we'll kind of set aside some real time for you to dive into I want to know how you got here. Why your passion about the work you do? What was med school? Like, I mean all everything that you want to share before we really get into the Q&A stuff because I think it's just fascinating to me your story and I would love to hear thanks. Okay. I'll try to make it brief because I do want to get into all your audience questions, but if you go to my website under my bio Really touching video. I swear. I feel like I cry every time I watch that video. It was like a One-Shot done deal because it really is Meaningful to me, but I'll centrally share when I was young. I had a brother who was only two years younger than me. I was very close to him and he died suddenly of an asthma attack. He had really bad. Asthma really bad allergies bad eczema. And although this is a very uncommon occurrence for kids with asthma so for any mom listening who has a child with asthma this is not very common. - but it does happen and he had a really severe attack when we were having some wildfires here in California and the part. I mean we had ashes just like raining from the sky the week he went into a coma. So I think it just irritated his lungs beyond measure and he couldn't breathe and he went into a coma and he stayed in a coma for seven days and then we took him off life support and he died and eat completely shifted Mike. Prince of my world, I mean Not only was I at a loss because I just lost one of my best friend's I was a big tomboy and I loved playing with him. He was my little buddy, but I also saw what it did to my parents and it really completely shook them up. I mean as you can imagine now as mom's ourselves you just that's the worst thing you can ever experience is losing a child and so at a young age, I was 9 at that point. I really matured pretty quickly and I became very dedicated. Dedicated to learning about health and wellness for a few reasons one. I didn't want that ever to happen to another family member. I kind of went into this like protection mode where I almost felt like I wanted to protect my other sisters and my parents and myself and a lot of it was because I knew that if my parents had another loss like if one of my sister's or myself were to pass I don't think they would even survive the like to survive two children. So I kind of did everything I could to be as healthy as possible. I didn't want to die because I I knew they couldn't go through it and suffer. And I also was just interested because I never wanted that to happen to another family member nor one of my children one day. I knew I wanted to be a mom. So from a very young age, I just immerse myself in books and you know knowledge and obviously it's a huge Journey now, I'm in my, you know, mid-30s so it's been many years of doing research and it really called me to go to naturopathic Medical School actually and not the traditional medical school route, even though I had the choice and I was really considering it. It mostly because I knew that I wanted more options for these kids. I knew that my brother was on every traditional medicine he could be on and he still didn't survive and I knew like there had to be more ways. So what I love about naturopathic medical schools that were taught both the conventional therapies and natural therapies, and I love that I get to give my patients the choice because at the end of the day I can let them know what I think may be best. But then at the days Parents Choice when it comes to their kids and I fully support that I just want them to have the knowledge and feel empowered to make those choices. So that's the route. I took and all along. I knew I wanted to Niche at some point. I just didn't feel ready to Niche until I was a Mom myself. I'm kind of felt like I can't really like speak. Like I'm Stephen I always say this a lot like we practice what we preach like once we incorporate in our lives. That's when we're so passionate about really teaching this stuff so I couldn't wait until that I did General medicine for many years, but I wasn't as Fulfilled I knew I loved working with the kids and the moms and so like I said once I became a Mom myself, it was just a no-brainer. I stop booking all adult patients. I want to just straight into kids and pregnant women and I've absolutely loved it since and I really have a lot of Hope for our future generation because I see a lot of proactive parents and a lot of sick kids, but I see them how well they get, you know, kids are so vital and if we could just give him the right nutrients in the right support in the right environment, they really could Thrive and so I absolutely have so much faith in our future generation and what we could do now and so I'm really on a mission to help parents learn that and really avoid what happened in my family with my brother and it all honesty support parents through some of these traumatizing events because the parents reaction to these type of stressors really affects all of the kids, and I know that personally so working with the parents and the kids both is a passion for me not just one or the other ER oh my gosh, that's well. I was in tears when you were talking about your brother. I just I have two younger sisters myself. And so I just I can imagine how that impacted you and I just I'm so grateful that you channeled channel that grief into something that is has the potential to help so many people so just I don't know. I'm just admire you so much you're all things that that difficulty for sure motivated my passion. There's Question, that's why with all traumas then and losses. I just look at them and I look for all the gifts in it and there are so many gifts if you can really just look deep down. So he's my gift in that. He's my muse. I call him and my total inspiration. So I love him so much and he's fully within everything I do with med school for moms. So that's that. So thanks for that acknowledgement as well. I almost cry every I pretty much every episode of here. So thank you. So we'll just knock that one I car thinking. It's awesome. Hi friends Laura here with some exciting news for stigmatic has come on as a modern Mama's podcast sponsor. 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Why are you answering these questions as really really important so Dive in okay, so lots and lots and lots of questions about I think and I'm going to preface this before we truly go and it's like we prepare so much for pregnancy and even delivery that sometimes when kids get here and now we have them and we're like What do we do with this child? It's a lot of questions about like, what do we do when XYZ what about this? And so I myself even with two kids and really really excited about some of the answers that were going to be prepared to hear so Okay, first question should you wake a baby / toddler a night to check if their fever has broken or risen? Okay. This is such a common question. So I love it. Whoever asked the answer is no so the body heals during times of rest. And so that's a really important factor. So we obviously don't want to disturb our child if your child is so uncomfortable. The child will wake up and so believe me you will get those signs crying and whatnot. It is very Very important to understand why fever is a really really amazing natural process that we actually want to harness and not suppress. You know, I think most moms who are listening are already pretty proactive, but I don't think a reminder can her essentially a fever is not a disease or or an illness. It's just a symptom saying that the body is trying to fight off either a virus or a bacteria. And so we want the body's temperature to rise so that the virus bacteria doesn't live in that environment. It's an amazing mechanism to kill the bug so we don't want to suppress it too much because we obviously want the bugs to die. But we also don't want to cause too much discomfort in our child. So one of the biggest fears is could my child's temperature be too high and what if it can cause brain damage or what if a febrile seizure occurs are or what? If so then you know where call to wanting to wake them up for some peace of mind and a Of that is mostly for the Peace of Mind of the parent. But here's the big kicker is that the number that you see on the thermometer is not going to affect anything that you do. So what's the purpose of knowing that thermometer the the number on the thermometer? What's the purpose of getting that temperature? So I teach this extensively in my fever courses, but essentially your child's temperature can go up to 108 degrees Fahrenheit. So that's 108 .00. Okay, not one. 100.8 without any brain damage occurring. Okay. Now this is very infrequent. You don't usually see fevers above 105 106, you know by 105 or 106 that child is incredibly hot incredibly uncomfortable. They're going to show other signs of distress. So you're not even near 108, but I'm just trying to give mom's an understanding of checking the temperature is not going to really help you do all that much different if you were to call it. Doctor and say hey, my child's temperature is X number. The next question we're going to ask is OK what other accompanying symptoms does your child have so as doctors, we actually care a lot more about the accompanying symptoms and the pattern of the fever more than the actual number and I'll go into those kind of details but once again for you to wake up your child just to take his or her temperature doesn't really give us all that much information and it's not going to give you any more information and either being scared or not the child sleeping then they're obviously not in discomfort or pain or they're sleeping. So please let their immune systems do the work let them sleep and for you to feel calm you're going to have to do something for yourself, you know, because that not but that's a huge factor and children pick up on her anxiety and our nerves so you can actually exacerbate their symptoms simply by waking them up getting panicked about a number that may or may not Not actually be accurate or worry you and then you suppress the fever and now their symptoms are actually going to last longer. So my answer to that is no don't wake up you're sleeping child, but there's one caveat in that I care if there's any fever in a newborn or I should say a zero to three month old child. So a newborn to three months of age. I care much more if there's a fever now if it's a zero. To one month, so you only have literally the first like four weeks of a child's, you know life if that child has a fever anything which is above a hundred point four degrees. It's an immediate ER visit now at that point, they're nursing all night long. Anyway, it's not like you have to wake them up. I mean you're already with them all the time. Anyway, if you needed to take their temperature, you're really not having to necessarily wake them up now if it's a one two three month old, then you want to call your doctor at the very least and get an idea of I take them to the ER should I stay at home? What should I do? But then once that child turns 3 months or older, you know, that's it. It doesn't actually matter the number it really matters much more the signs the patterns than companying type of symptoms that come along with it. Is that clear gesso not make sure that's just that's incredibly clear and I think that also kind of hits our second question, which was when should we really call or see the doc for example, they said extant for X hours or XYZ symptoms. So winter wheat Really, so I'll be very clear about that. So we already now went through what to do with the zero to three month old. So anything with the zero to three month old. Do you do want to act much quicker? Ok, but any child three months and older here's what you're going to look for. Okay. The first thing is signs of dehydration when a child's temperature is really high. That's a very common occurrence is that they they lose fluids there either sweating because of you know, the chills and sweats or or they're just not like their appetite is low. They're not drinking. I'm very much so dehydration is actually probably worse off than the actual fever. So you want to look for how many wet diapers you want at least three wet diapers or more in 24 hours. So anything less than three wet diapers and if a child's older I obviously just take a look at you know, how often they're peeing but it's really interesting the more you keep your child hydrated the quicker the fever will actually not necessarily break, but at least give them some relief because cooling down the body with that hydration is very important. So more dehydrated the longer the fever will last the other thing is obviously look for your kids mood. So you're looking for if they're listless or lethargic or just not responding obviously it you know, if they don't know who you are or their their mood is just acting so weird. Of course, that's anything anytime you're their child's mood is off. You're going to go ahead and and call the doctor that's with anything with cough or sore throat or whatever if they're just not acting like themselves. It's one thing to be tired and just want to be lazy and On the couch and watch TV. It's another thing to have like hallucinations or just look like they're just so like listless, you know, and so moms have intuitions parents have intuitions when that's abnormal. That's a good sign. Another thing is your child is just inconsolably crying. I mean nothing is helping no nursing no rocking no music. No, you know anything shush young and nothing is helping this child then of course, it's time to talk to your doctor the Or you know common things I would say an older children would be fever that's accompanied with a rash a sore throat without a cough or severe ear pain. And again, you guys want to write all these notes. I mean, it's all outlined in my guidebooks and my material but it's just nice to kind of have some reference to be like, okay does my child have this this and this like, let's just check them off. If you can check something off. Then you go to the doctor. If you can't check it off then you just know. Okay cool. My child doesn't have a sore throat without a cough and a fever so then Co I can just stay home? Okay, my child has a fever with severe ear pain. Okay, it's time to go to the doctor. And then just the last one is a stiff neck. This is also very rare but a sign of meningitis. So if your child has a high fever and you can see they're either holding their neck, they don't want to move their neck down. They don't want to put their chin down to their chest. You also know that that's a sign. So I just have these really clearly listed out of my guidebook. So you guys have don't have to memorize them. Obviously. I have them all memorized but you again just kind of go down the check box list and you know, okay, it's time to go. Go or all right. Well, my kids not having any of those things. So I guess we can just stay home and keep on going. Perfect. I think that really wraps that one up really really well. Gosh, I am still learning so much. I'm nodding my head a long as you're talking. So this is going to be so amazingly helpful for so many people so kind of leaning into now. Okay, we know when to seek help another really really great question was what would be your top three items in a natural medicine cabinet for may be treating things like fever or Flu think things just sure so that's tough because I have so many favorite you put up more than the cool thing is that some of my go-to S. For example, like fish oil probiotics like those are things you can get in food. So I'm not even going to include that in my list because if it were up to me kids would be eating these things in food to help their immune system and their gut health and all of that good stuff. So let me choose and three that I feel like younes you can't really get from food that I think every dr. I'm should have in their medicine cabinet. So these are immune stimulating herbs or nutrients. So I when I teach about medicine, I divide different medicines or natural medicines into three categories Homeopathy herbal medicine and health food supplements. So they're all these Ages which is easy to remember and out of my top three in the medicine kit. I would actually choose to herbal medicine products and one health food supplement now, I'm a absolutely in love with Homeopathy, but there are just far too many to choose from So that's a whole nother episode but let's go through then the to herbal medicines and then the health food supplement. The first one is elderberry. I cannot talk more about Elderberry and I do I talk so much about Elderberry their reason why I like it is that it's an antiviral medication 7 a potential child hood illnesses come from viruses, not bacteria. And so this is just the common cold flu or hand foot mouth or chickenpox or you know, I mean look at so many different viruses that we can have and so we want something that can really help kill a iris Elderberry taste good. It's affordable. You could even make this at home if you really really want it to be on a budget. I just get such great results with this. It's something you could take as a preventative medicine and then if your child does get sick you increase the dose. So I just think it's hands down one of the best products to have in a medicine kit. If you do have a child, I love that. We second one herbal medicine. I'm sure right. I mean so many moms who are interested natural mess and they already know about Elderberry syrup. So Probably isn't a new one, but it is important and just as a quick tip. If you do have a child under one you want to avoid the ones with honey because there are some that are sweetened with honey. And so just as that FYI, and please note the gummy elderberries. They just are not anywhere as potent as the syrup. So if you feel like oh, I've been giving my child to Elderberry but nothing's happening. It's very important that you're checking the dosage and the frequency with any natural medicine and I explained that in all my courses how to effectively actually use these Okay, so the second one is echinacea. This is another herbal medicine. The reason why I'm choosing echinacea is that one it's obviously very safe in the Pediatric population along with pregnancy and nursing all of these are but what I like about echinacea is that it can kill both viruses and or bacteria. So sometimes you don't know, you know, we don't know is that runny nose coming from a virus or a bacteria if we're only using Elderberry syrup and it's from a bacteria. Well, maybe it's not going to be the most effective medicine whereas if you add Echinacea and Then you know you're getting a broad spectrum type of herbal medicine. So I personally think having echinacea on hand in your medicine kit is very helpful. I have a brand that I like that is on the sweeter side because it sits in a base of Glycerin. Otherwise, you don't want to just go and get any echinacea. It's usually in an alcohol form. So kids won't take it. So anyway, go ahead to my website. You can see all my favorite stuff. And then the last one is a health food supplement. So this is a nutrient. I'm sure everyone knows it's called vitamin D like Dog D. This is just something that even newborns in standard of care or recommending so this is a nutrient that is incredibly important for the immune system. And for those who are deficient in this which is unfortunately a huge part of the population. They're much more susceptible to getting sick. And so we want to give this daily to prevent illness and just to really boost overall immunity and then also we can go up and dose if your child is sick, but again, there's regulations around the toxicity. So you want to be a little bit careful work with your practitioner with that. Perfect. And do you recommend having the K2 as connections funny? I was thinking I should just mention I didn't want to confuse it because you only said three I pray I always recommend D&K together. It's hard to find a liquid dropper a vitamin D and K in a small dose for kids less than 12 months. So for less than 12 months. I just say you could do just the D. But once you had 12 months, you can get a good dose pretty much standard dosing below 12 months is anywhere between 400 to 800 IU. I use a day and then once your baby hits 12 months or older you can go to up to a thousand I use and that's where at least my favorite liquid droppers. They started a thousand I use per drop. So that's when I start doing the vitamin d k 2 combo perfect. That's amazing. Oh my gosh, and you know, I think this is really helpful. I know it's a challenge to narrow down to three but it's like sometimes we can get so I'm like, okay everyone line up for your daily supplements and it's like 22 different things, you know too much. I totally agreed. That's why I I owe my website. There's a whole medicine category. It's all free information for moms. You can download my free guides where it's like here are the top favorite homeopathic remedies and I think I listed Seven here. I think it is and then here's my seven top health food supplements and here are my seven top herbal medicines and they're free guides. They're not even there. You don't even pay for our but it's just a matter of so moms can just really start narrowing down like okay. Here's a child. This is what I need. Which one should I start with? Is it is overwhelming and it's not only overwhelming it can be very costly and the body doesn't need so much. You know, it's too much at times some people just go way too overboard. It's a beauty of natural medicine is our toolbox is incredibly large. We have so many options and that can also be a problem. So there's a time and a place for everything and I also believe that every individual reacts differently. I have some children in my practice that they react so quickly to Homeopathy. I don't even need to touch or herbal medicines or Food supplement and then there's some kids that really do so much better with the herbal medicines and I kind of don't do as much Homeopathy because I just don't see that quick reaction. So again, it's just such a beautiful thing that we have so many different medicines and this is where I say, it's up to the mom to get to know your kids to be observant to practice and to really get to know what works for your child. And what doesn't and again child one may be completely different than child to and as challenging as that may be it's also the UT of our kids, you know no two are alike and we should honor that so it's the same thing when it comes to medicine that's incredible. Thank you so much. I love that perspective. I'm also going to so if you feel like you've some of these may be a repeat of information if you feel like you've hit most of that or you just want to add a couple things to what you've already said feel free to do that the next question and really centers on natural cold and flu remedies / immune boosters. This person's put was particularly asking for 18 months old, but we also have some follow-up questions to that like what can Is for kids under a year old who have a cold or there any go to Safe herbs to use with kids with common colds? Would it be the right now? It's a great question. So here's like the general rule of thumb is for any child less than six months of age. I shy away from most natural medicines. So that includes herbal medicines and health food supplements except for Homeopathy. So if you have a child 0 to 6 months of age, I would say really Focus on your homeopathic remedies if your child is now 6 months or older. They're starting to consume solid foods their gut is matured a little bit more their immune system is starting to mature. You can safely give them some of the obviously pediatric approved safe herbal medicines and some of the health food supplements that I outlined because not all of them are safe, but I go ahead and I teach you the ones that are safe in the dosing and such the great thing with Homeopathy is that it really is safe and it doesn't matter on the age or stage. Each of the child or even mom nursing pregnant. It doesn't matter. It's more of a type of energetic type of medicine and I like to put in the same category as like acupuncture when you go get acupuncture, you know, you're getting needles throughout your body. And so it's stimulating your body to heal on its own. It's not that like those needles are doing something to specific biochemical Pathways and they're pushing different Pathways to either inhibit or to proceed or it's not like that. It's just stimulating the D to heal very similar Homeopathy when you get that right remedy. It just stimulates the body to heal. So it's very safe. If you don't get the right remedy. Well nothing really happens. It's the same thing with acupuncture if you put the needles in the wrong place or have you maybe put too many needles in your not going to get necessarily a negative reaction like you would with a conventional medicine kind of side effect. It just may not do the healing that you know, if the noodles were in the correct place, so I don't do acupuncture with kids. So instead I do Homeopathy with them. So to answer the question. Turn on you know, if your child is sick before six months you always go to your homeopathic remedies first, if your child is six months or older you now have a bigger toolbox. You could still use Homeopathy and or you can now add some of the herbal medicines that I taught or even the health food supplement like vitamin D. And again, my list just goes on everything on the website will just continue to teach you more and more immune type of products out there as well. Can you maybe give one or two? Like remedies that you tend to gravitate towards and use over and over again. Sure. Well arnica is probably the number one and that's the one that probably most people know worldwide. In fact Homeopathy is much more popular in Europe and Germany and I mean much more than here in the United States when anyone travels to Europe, you'll see homeopathic pharmacies and apothecaries. So arnica is used for any type of bumps bruises injury. It could be minor it could be major. So that was actually one of I wanted to say my top three in my medicine. It but again, I just I can only have so many but arnica is literally something I take out I take with me in my purse out like I don't leave home without it and because our kids fall they get them. So, I mean, it's just this is what they do. Now. I wouldn't put this in the category of it like it an illness per se but these are injuries and they're still medical, you know, they need medical attention. And so I just find that the recovery is so much greater. The the bruising has absolutely decreased giving Arnica at immediate onset and it also really just helps the tears. I mean, I've been so grateful that at this point my daughter I she is excited when she falls because she comes right to me and says, you know, she knows she gets her medicine. She thinks it's like the best thing ever. So that really helps just you know it with her mood, but that's just one example of arnica. So or I'm sorry of Homeopathy. So Homeopathy are the little pellets in the either blue or purple little cylinders. We would often see at a health food. Bob store and you're like looking at them like what are these things and you see there dozens? I mean there are thousands of different medicines or homeopathic medicines. I teach again the top seven that I think all moms should know and and again it's so individualized that it's hard for me to even say well, oh and I use this or I use this like the other day my Aviva had constipation. She never has constipation. She was struggling getting her little poop out. So I gave her a remedy called nux-vomica Next vomica is a homeopathic remedy that Syndicated for constipation when a child or an adult is extremely irritable and impatient and Moody and that's how she was it is. So unlike her to be like that and so I gave her that remedy and I saw she at least pooped within that you know, right after I gave her that dose is still was uncomfortable for her. But at least we got it out, but this is when I say is it's not like nux vomica is only indicated for constipation. There are at least 50 more remedies that I could have chosen for constipation, but I have to assess it. Some that individual presentation. And so this is where you really have to keep your eyes open and your ears alert because any type of mood change or any type of like sign or symptom that you can observe will help you actually know when natural medicines are indicated. So it's a little bit more work on our end. But the the joy of seeing them get better is just so cool. So I have a private Facebook group that I have moms join after they enroll in any of my courses are guidebooks so I can continue to teach them all. The different medicines, you know, I highlight the ones that I love the most in med school for moms, and it's definitely the place to start you have to start somewhere. And again, I've got those free guides on the website, but then there's always going to be continued learning I name the group mom's mastering medicine because there is it takes years of practice just like for a doctor it's a practice for a reason and so every year we just learned more and more and more and we have to practice it and so I just continuously teach you all the different medicines, but the the Horses are obviously in the guidebooks are where you started. Oh my gosh. I'm just like immediately going to go run and purchase the core. I am so excited and again, like I know we can only really scratched the surface and we're already we've already been talking for like 40 minutes, which is incredible to me, but I didn't realize how the time I know you're keeping track. No, I'm keeping track. I mean I could chat with you for hours about this, but I just I feel like again I want to remind our listeners like we're barely scratching the surface here and there's so much to be learned and I'm I'm so grateful that you have the resources in place for that would so my pleasure. Just maybe we'll have to do a second episode at some point. Maybe after I had my baby and things settled down for me solutely. Well, I'm going to try and squeeze in a few more if yet go, please no problem. And one of the questions was best comprehensive guide for parents to be I'm just going to go ahead and answer that and say that's cool for moms. And everything on your site is probably the best comprehensive guide at least for these types of questions. I can't I have not come across in my searching any other program really so All-inclusive and so well done. So I'm gonna answer that question for us. That's awesome. Well, thank you. So this one again, this is a little bit of a tricky subject. But I would love to hear your your general thoughts on flu shots for kiddos or in general. However, you want approach that. I know we talked about this a little bit before you came on, but she sure whatever you say. Okay. Again, this is a little bit of a tricky topic because now we're going into vaccines and the way that I like to approach vaccines. Is that I take the individual child's risk of exposure to a disease and I weigh it with the individuals child potential for an adverse reaction to a vaccine. And so with anything when it comes to Medicine, there should be informed consent. So that parents understand there is a risk and then there's a benefit and we have to weigh it and we have to kind of figure out the balance so that we know what the appropriate measure is for our child. So the flu is definitely something that every year comes around. Anytime between November to April. So this is a big time. This is like a six-month period unfortunately and it could hit and it's very contagious and it's not an shock to me that there is immunization for it. I think it's a you know, it was a good idea the whole concept of trying to avoid it because you don't want to get the flu. It's not comfortable. It's not fun and in very susceptible individuals. Some people can die from it. These people are usually elderly or these people are the very very very young. Young or immunocompromised individuals with that said, of course, we want to protect our kids. So I think no matter what we all can agree whether it's a vaccine or it's some other kind of protection. We all just want to be aware of it and protect and this is why hand-washing is so important and you know eating really healthy foods boosting the immune system and such now when we go to really looking at what the flu vaccine is, and the effectiveness of it is really where I see I kind of I'm stopped by a So there's really good studies out there on the flu vaccine. It's been out for quite a while every year there are different strains that are chosen and it's essentially a guess of which strain do we think this year's flu is going to be and so once they decide that then they go ahead and they manufacture the flu vaccines for the year. Then they release it at the best year the most effective we've ever seen. The flu vaccine to be is a high of 30 percent some years. Is it could be as low as in the 20s or even less some years. It could be up to 30 that means 3 out of 10 people who get the flu vaccine. We could be sure that they would be protected the other seven out of 10 who get the flu vaccine. It will not be effective at all with that information. I think that's important to go with so we know do we give our child the flu vaccine or do we not give our child the flu vaccine because you have to be ready for even if you The flu vaccine or any vaccine for that matter your child's can still mount a response and still be susceptible to an infection. So you have to still do these other measures in order to be proactive because you really never know if they're going to get it or not. Okay. Just want to make that very clear then when you think about well, what else can we do to help prevent the flu? The awesome thing is is that with natural medicine. There are tons of antiviral medications in the conventional world of Listen, there are very few antiviral medications. And in fact, the very few that we have are also unfortunately pretty ineffective their anti bacterial type of medications, which are antibiotics have been proven to be very effective and there's definitely a time and place for antibiotics. So when it comes to a virus like a flu, there's very few options and which is why conventional medicine pushes a lot of the flu vaccine because it really is one of their only options to help prevent the disease and so as a doctor you want to give whatever tools you Have and so for me is an integrative doctor. I have so many tools and part of my toolbox are natural medicines and because I believe in them and I know how effective they are. I err on the side of wow, if I can just give our children the most potent antiviral medication not only to prevent the disease, but also if they got the flu, I know and I feel confident about how to treat them then I guess I'm not all that afraid of having the flu. So I start questioning. It is the flu vaccine more beneficial or less beneficial for that individual child. So again, I'm not giving advice I'm not going to tell you what to do. I'm just giving you guys options to know what to do. I think there are there is a time and a place for a flu vaccine in certain health care workers or certain situations in certain age populations, like the elderly perhaps or you know, these are people who are not mounting as quick of a response. I believe in our kids immune systems and I The natural medicine if given appropriately and effectively it is something that I trust. So I'm going to just end at that because I can't give you no advice on that. But I think that that was pretty clear at least how to go about trying to figure that out. Yeah, and I think you're really just speaking to the fact of as parents. I think one of our the biggest things that we can do for ourselves is to empower ourselves with education on questions like these and knowing that you know, everything is so individual and for me, it's it's not really questioning my health care providers recommendation. It's also just but also like not necessarily blinding blindingly accept. What is may be recommended. This is personal. This is just my personal how we view things like this but it's always like you said, I want to know the efficacy of this. I want to know are there other things that we can do like, what are the outcomes of my child at this age gets the flu like so I really love that you're saying like you as a practitioner Are going to weigh all of those things for each individual child that comes into your office. Excellent. I'm so glad you summarized it like that because one of the things I teach in med school for moms is that in my mind doctor moms have an amazing relationship with their pediatrician that means that they're asking questions. That means that they're proactive that means that they're part of the treatment plan the not just like a passive participant that's just watching and ready and taking everything that the doctor says as if they're God it's not the case. Case you know as doctors, we have opinions. We have our personal beliefs we have days that we miss something. I mean, right we're human too. And I just believe as a doctor Mom. It's very important that we come with knowing that we're participating in this which means that hey doctor I need the education asked like take advantage of those doctors visits ask these questions understand all the information legally as doctors were supposed to be providing informed consent. Unfortunately doesn't happen all too often when it comes to Ames and it's just the state of how it's gone, but you still have to ask for that and if you do then have this discussion and then you can be educated. So I love that. So thanks for the reminder with it. Absolutely. And I'm now since we're coming down to the I know we have a time crunch here. I kind of I'm gonna have to make executive decisions on a Romanian questions, which is so hard for me. We did get some questions about vaccinations current vaccine schedule. I think I'm going to I feel like In talking about the flu vaccination you have kind of summed up a general approach. And I know you have a resource for that right? Like the your yes. Okay. Is there anything you want to add about engine? Oh, I mean honestly, there's just too much probably to talk about I've done other podcasts on it. So maybe you can refer to those or even I mean, obviously the vaccine course is very rich in that but no there's I think that's pretty much the biggest some as I just like to assess the child individually and I go How to really understand the different risk of exposure and risk of adverse reaction and then we come up with a plan and then that's something that you know, the parents ultimately choose. So now I feel like we at least got through a quite a bit. But I also I guess want to say I do encourage pre-imposed detox plans for before and after vaccinations whether a child is at risk for adverse reactions or even not you know, we might as well be proactive. These can start as young as the two-month, you know starting. With vaccines and I just think that that's something that would be of interest to a lot of parents I love and that's that, you know, it's part of the course. Oh, yeah. Yeah. It's expensive in my course. I love that so much because we personally have a few things that we do as well. I mean just in general detox stuff. And so I think that is really really important to know. Okay, so a couple more okay, this is a little bit different spend. What are your top couple tips for super picky eaters who are maybe below their quote unquote ideal weight. You have any go twos? Oh my goodness. Yes. I love this topic because I mean it's just so common. I guess here are just a few quick tips. If your child is not eating more than five to ten different types of foods that I absolutely think that they need an assessment from an occupational therapist who has an expertise in feedings, like specialty, you know, I don't think a lot of moms know that this is even an option oftentimes a when I work with parents with picky eaters. They don't even know that that service or that therapy is even something relevant. It's often times when this these children are literally so limited with the number of foods. It's a texture. It's a sensory issue. It's something that is much more holistic than just being picky and saying sorry don't want that. They actually have a not like a nervous system response to textures and some of these foods that they cannot eat it and that's actually going to then overlap into other behavioral issues and developmental Milestones later in life. So you actually want to get in on that ASAP. So that's my number one tip if the The they're just so limit. They won't touch posture. They won't even touch a sauce because it's just the texture of it as they don't like it in their mouth or they won't even touch a whole food category like meat or something. So keep an eye out for that. The other thing is just don't give up. I find a lot of mom's being frustrated and I completely understand but it's actually shocking but the research shows that with some picky kids. It could take up to 30 times of introducing the same food for a child to be like, okay cool. I'm going I eat it and I mean that is just ridiculous and it seems so wasteful but I just like to encourage moms to try one, you know type of food at a time and cook it in all different ways. So taking a carrot you can boil it. You can roast it. You can dip it in hummus. You can give it raw you can slice it. You can shred it right? There's just so many different ways to prepare and there may be a child who's like I only like shredded raw carrots and that's what the hell eat. I mean again, that's not necessarily ideal because we don't want short-order Cooks. I just want to give you that statistic or that data point that it could take a long time and just don't give up on it, you know place it in front of that Child's Play and if they just don't touch it, they don't touch it. Then don't make a big deal out of it. I think a lot of it also is will make big deals or will try to force our kids to eat certain foods. I love the principle behind, you know you as a mom or a parent are in charge of maybe preparing the food cooking the food and then placing it in front of the child and putting it down wherever You want the controlled environment to be and then it goes to the child. The child now is in control over how they're going to eat it and what they're going to eat and the quantity of their eating and that's just going to be up to them. And if they choose not to eat it. They don't want to eat it. They don't want to do it. Well, then sorry you go to bed. And then that's that, you know at some point you're going to be hungry, but you can't just be a short-order cook. You can't just give in to okay, then you get pizza again or macaroni and cheese again, and that's all they're going to eat because they're very smart kids. They'll Keep on doing that. So these are just a few tips to kind of help you again. I could do a whole episode just on this but I do think it's important to try your best to kind of keep to a routine and keep to your rules because these and it is a big deal that kids are just starting to be incredibly picky and we just have to differentiate. Is it a biological or censoring neurological type of response and then that needs something like occupational therapy or is it because the kid is just almost Just like running the show and denying food. And now you're cooking whatever they're going to eat because you're so afraid they're actually not going to gain weight or they're not eating because they have a way of manipulating us in many ways. And so we can't give into that. You know, we have like, well this is what's for dinner. And that's it. It could take them one or two days for them to say. Okay. Now I'm hungry. I'll sit down to eat but we can't be fearful. We have to trust their body and say they're going to eat at some point. So if they go to bed and they're not going to eat what you want. Well, then tomorrow then they're just going to be hungry and they will I promise they will eat at some point. He got to just keep on trying giving them nutrient-dense options and someone on Instagram. I just think is fantastic. I've been following her now. She's blowing up is kids eat in color. It's a registered dietitian who gives you so many great examples of how to present food to Children how to make it colorful so that they want to eat it how to actually use language so that you're only honoring them and not, you know, having them shy away from it. So I use that resource. Is a lot this is a it's a great dietitian who's been doing great work kids eat in color. Okay, we will definitely link to that and I might have seen something that she put out where you're talking about. Like we actually implement this in our own family. It's like, you know this like purple food makes you feel makes your brain like strong or like red foods make your muscles feel really really strong like kind of connect it and language that like, they understand and we have yes. Yeah like it's so much. It's so much more. Double and then I will also say literally my kids are three and six and they will eat they eat a variety of vegetables but yet last night at dinner. I put roasted brussels sprouts and roasted carrots on my daughter's plate and she up to this point has really been like I'm not interested in that and so it's like okay whatever but we still put it on our plate at least a few bites every time and last night. She was like, I love brussels sprouts. I love carrots and she was asking for more and I'm like what is happening? And so I mean three Ears in we're still still offer makes me so happy. That's like my point of just don't give up. That's exactly what I keep on recommending is you just put on their play if they don't eat it. They don't eat it. But there's going to be a day that they may pick it up and you're going to be shocked just like you were last night and then all of a sudden the kid change their mind and now they keep on asking for it. So don't give up on that opportunity, you know, really stay committed that like my kid will eat healthy food at some point. It may take three years, but whatever I'm not going to give up. And I think a big deal and I know you do this in your family's just role model, you know have them watch you eat salads have them watch you enjoy, you know, the the Brussels sprouts and and good healthy food. And I'm so against kid food. I just I wish it never existed. I wish it was never even any topic of that nature, you know, they just we we serve them what we eat. We eat what they eat. It's all just a family affair. And that's that and so I just I think that's great. So anyway again, I could talk about this forever. Oh, yeah. It is it's a very important topic and one that is not easy. So, I just want to mention that and I also have a lot of high hopes that things can transition the earlier you start if we're talking about a 13 year old boy, that's a very different type of therapy and how we handle that then if it's a two-year-old, you know, you still have tons that you can still Implement in a younger child and the earlier you start these new patterns and routines by far the better you'll see outcomes. Absolutely. Thank you. So Much again. We have so many more questions. I feel like maybe after kiddo comes we'll have you back on if you're up for it, but I know I want to be respectful of your time and I feel like that's a good note to end it on because we kind of went through like natural remedies and illness and all that stuff and then ending it with like food as like a basis of just really like having fun creating a solid base of nutrient density, which therefore will impact help in all ways shape and form. I That's a good way to wrap it up. How do you feel for sure? Look, I mean, I love these topics so I can answer questions all day long. I think for time sake let's go ahead and end and then yeah, we could do it another part 2 after my baby boy comes and things get settled. I love questions for moms, because then they're curious. They want to understand things. They want to take things into their own hands. So I'm all about this. 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Hello and welcome. You're listening to the embodied astrology horoscopes for Aquarius season in 2020. My name is Renee. I'm an artist an astrologer and a somatic intuitive in these audio horoscopes all outline. What I perceive as the main areas of focus for each sign in the month ahead and give you creative embodied and practical suggestions for working with the seasons biggest.Opportunities and challenges remember that horoscopes describe general energies and it's up to you to get specific listen with your intuition on and your mind open take what works leave the rest. I suggest that you listen to the horoscopes for your son and your rising signs. Your sun sign is what you tell people when they ask you what your sign is it has to do with the time of year. You were born your rising sign is determined by the time of day you were born and the place you were born. 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You can listen to all of your favorite artists and and podcasts in one place for free and you don't even need a premium account Spotify has a huge catalogue of podcasts on every topic including the one you're listening to right now on Spotify. You can follow your favorite podcasts like embodied astrology and never miss an episode. You can download all the episodes and listen offline, wherever you are. You can easily share what you're listening to with all your friends on social media if you haven't done so already be sure to download the Spotify app. For embodied astrology save it and browse podcasts in the your library Tad. Also make sure to follow me on social media on Instagram add embodied astrology. So you'll never miss an episode because you want to catch them all don't you? Hello Gemini and welcome to Aquarius season Aquarius. Looks like it's going to be an exciting season and my sense of it. Is that a lot of the transformational process sees that we've been going through in 2019 and the first couple of weeks of 2020 now start to bear fruit. We start to see what they're going to look like in our lives and in the world if you've been following embodied astrology's horoscopes, or Some other astrologers horoscopes as well. You know that you have been going through a big transformation when it comes to what I'm going to call your kind of deepest internal self. That is known. So this part of you is sometimes a shadowy place it can be where you store your insecurities where your deepest desires and fears my might lie this part of the chart can have a lot to do with how you resonate with your with your values and your sense of self-worth, especially when they come to relationships how you get into exchanges with other people what you expect from those others what you give to them the more subliminal unspoken agreements that happen in relationships where we get kind of caught up and entangled and in meshed with one another there's also A lot of energy in this part of the chart for what you kind of wrestle with in terms of your own desires and your own kind of inner self or secret self and something has been happening over this last year and again these last couple of weeks where I think you've reached a reckoning point. You've understood really the the nature of the beast in terms of how you are transforming. What your priorities are and who you want to be and how you want to be in your relationships. If there have been circumstances that are coming up that require a kind of Reckoning with relationships where honesty really needs to come onto the table where you need to admit something or someone else needs to admit something then these types of interactions are really important for you in terms of understanding how you want to be in relationship with others and I think that Maybe a kind of recognition that a different kind of openness might be required from you a different kind of transparency or honesty and you have to be absolutely responsible for your own experiences for your boundaries for your expectations for what you kind of put out to others in terms of what they can expect from you and as you're starting to understand this in a way that I think is really Landing for you. It's doing something to your psychology and what I see the potential for is a pretty massive shift into a kind of Liberation for you and this feels like a mental Liberation. It feels like an ideological Liberation and it feels like you're getting past ideas or ways of being or Hang-Ups that have maybe kept you kind of separated in the past or they've kept you fragmented or compartmentalize or maybe I've kept you in a more weekend space and it seems to me like you are really at the precipice if not already experiencing a major kind of energetic expansion where your understanding that you know within the conditions that you're given within life, which definitely have plenty of, you know confinements in them. You also have a huge amount of freedom and you have a huge amount of choice and how How you want to pursue your world and pursue your life. These are really the big themes of Aquarius season that are coming in you are a free person you your spirit is always free regardless of what you might be experiencing in your embodied existence. Your spirit is always free right and there have been so many prophets that have shared this kind of sentiment. It's like our nature is liberated. It's the And that really controls us it is the way that we allow ourselves to be obsessed and consumed by constructed ideas about what life is that that keeps us from actually sensing our Liberation and of course those constructions and those ideas that we come up with end up imprisoning not just ourselves, but other people as well when we all play into them. And so there's this feeling of Liberation that wants to come in for you right now and this feeling is is that your path is your path you get to choose and when you choose to shut yourself in or compartmentalize yourself or you know hide some aspect of your being then you effectively shut down some of your freedom you put parameters on your free movement that could be uncomfortable and when you decide to take risks to put yourself out there to be a little bit different then Freedom opens up for you and this is what we I want for you in Aquarius season. We really want for you to be feeling your own freedom and to be feeling your own urge in your desire for freedom. And this Freedom who knows what it looks like. It could feel really weird to you and there are a couple things in your chart that make me think like you might be feeling really weird right now. Like where the hell did this desire come from or why am I acting like this is never a way that I wanted to be before but suddenly you're like, okay, this is what's feeling good your Psych. Ecology is changing. As I said you are going through a really big shift and it's important for you to stay present with those shifts and to trust them to listen to yourself to trust yourself. Now Aquarius season sets us into the Mercury retrograde cycle. The first one of this year and Mercury will be retrograde in the sign Pisces. It begins its retrograde Shadow, which is the period of time where it traverses the terrain that it's going to return to in the retrograde. In the shadow on February 3rd, it will station retrograde on March 5th wheel travel retrograde until March 16th, and then it will finish up its shadow period from March 16th to March 30th when it reach reverses that same territory one more time. So it will pass three times over the pier the terrain of sky that we call 28 degrees of Aquarius 212 degrees of Pisces. So please check your natal chart. And see do you have any important planets or points between 28 Aquarius and 12 Pisces. Now, if you are a Gemini rising, I want to say that there's a very good chance that your midheaven which is marked by the abbreviation MC and most western charts might be between these points. Not all Gemini risings, but a good chunk of you will have the midheaven potentially around this point. So if you have planets and points, Between 28 Aquarius and 12 Pisces these planets and points need to be examined and the Mercury retrograde is a time when you're really reflecting on their nature and their needs Mercury retrograde is a time when we have mercury the figure of the Mind communication and intellect as well as a figure that's associated with electronics and devices of communication traveling backwards, and the retrograde is a time when we consider this energy to be more International. Colonel more introverted more retrospective and more reflective. This is why there are a lot of suggestions to not make important purchases to not sign contracts and to be very careful with your Communications. Now, I agree with all of that. I also want to say that I think there's a huge amount of benefit and Mercury retrograde because we need to give our minds arrest. It's a really potent time for us to connect with our reflective capacity and with our intuition, please use this Mercury retrograde to do just that Where Mercury is retrograde in for you has a lot to do with your Public Image in the world and your career your Public Image and your career may or may not be the same thing. So you want to think about what it is that you want to be known for in your life who you're going to be when you grow up this kind of thing this idea of what you are manifesting in the world and what you want to bring forward into the world is going through a period of time when you need to reflect and and as you go through these kinds of psychological changes that I've been talking about, of course, you're going to change your orientation to what you want to be doing in the world. And so give yourself this time. It's a really good time to meditate to be more internal to be more attuned to your intuition and whatever way helps you to do that. It's a great time to be creative to get into your body to kind of let go of the need to know something and to connect with a more suggestive and Federal space and couple of other planets are changing signs through Aquarius season from February 7th through March 16th Venus. Will Transit through Aries Aries has to do with the part of your chart that signifies a broader impact in the world your sense of a social milieu that you're a part of our social participation and how you project yourself into the future. So if you imagine a pebble dropping into A pond and ripples moving out from that Pebble. This is your larger Community. These are your networks. This is also your energy and your eminence Rippling out into the future. What kind of impact do you want to have? What effect are you trying to create Venus brings love abundance and magnetism wherever it travels so from February 7th until March 16th is a great time to work with the law of attraction when it comes to your social participation your social groups and Friends. And your ideas about the future The Law of Attraction posits that when you embody in yourself what it is that you want in your life that then you become attractive to that energy to come in. Now. This is not particularly magical thinking we can't transcend the constructs of Our Lives the conditions that were in but it is true. Like if you're emanating sweetness and positivity people are probably going to be more sweet and positive with you. Cuz we respond to good-natured - so think about what it is that you are trying to manifest in the world that you want to live into in terms of your future and particularly when it comes to how you want to feel yourself being empowered in your future are being empowered within your networks within your friends within any kinds of social conditions or groups that you want to play a part in. You can definitely use Venus's transit in areas to magnetize and attract these kinds of situations. Your life from February 16th through March 31st, Mars. Will Transit through Capricorn. Now when I was talking earlier about the experience that I think you've been going through more recently where you've been working with kind of more hidden or internal energy particularly when it comes to Shared resources to Shared energies to relationships where you're getting in mesh where you're getting entangled. How you advocate for yourself. Self how you deal with someone else but where you're emotionally tied your insecurities your fears. Your phobia is your passions. What is kind of just pushing on you from the inside? This is where Mars is going to be bringing its influence. Now, there's so much going on in Capricorn. And again, that was the focus of my horoscope for you in Capricorn season. So you might want to read listen to remember some of those themes because Mars is going to boost this. RG wherever Mars, is it brings energy. It brings force that brings heat. It can also bring passion and desire as well as aggression and confrontation. So when Mars comes into this part of your chart, February 16th through March 31st, you are not willing to you know, put yourself in a closet. You can't back down if you mean something if their insecurities that are dwelling in you and that are getting you into situations where you're entangled or you feel empowered now is the time to cut those cords use Mars energy to help you bring Force into advocating for yourself and to clarifying your arrangements with the important people in your life. It is absolutely essential that you advocate for your wants and your needs it's also really important that you're not manipulative about your wants and your needs or manipulated by other people. So use Mars as a kind of sword of truth to come into this area of your life and cut through any Shit, that's their help it be this deciding kind of energy that comes in and assist you with this transformation that I've been speaking to now. There are a couple of important Nations throughout Aquarius season. We have a new moon on January 24th at 4 degrees of Aquarius. Check your natal chart. If you have planets or points around four degrees of Aquarius, these planets and points are definitely stimulated by the new moon this new moon is ringing a lot of radical change. Energy with it. So this feeling of I'm ready to do something new and I've got the force and I know what it is might be getting condensed and compressed leading up to the new moon the 22nd and the 23rd the 24th might be days where it feels like pressure is building and building and building now there is often frustration and pressure that directly precedes a breakthrough moment. So if that's what you're feeling chill and notice what the Is because the Breakthrough that wants to come through for you has a lot to do with your priorities in life and with a sense of life purpose and Direction you really want to think about what the new direction is and how any recent experiences where you've been being called into more sticky entanglements or needing to clarify and figure out relationship spaces are actually helping you determine what kind of future you see for yourself on February 8th and 9th. We have a full moon at 20 degrees of Leo. The full moon is always an opposition between the Sun and the Moon. So the sun is at 20 degrees of Aquarius. Check your natal chart for planets or points at 20 Leo or Aquarius. These are going to be especially implied for this full moon. Now this full moon is bringing a lot of energy around unique expression personal expression and the kind of understanding and awareness of each of our unique and special contributions to World and of course, we have billions of people on the planet. None of us are that unique and special really but each of us actually is and so things to be thinking about at this full moon. What do you have to give especially in your Communication in your perspective and how you understand the world that is unique to you and that you can share with others to help them broaden their perspective and open up their minds. So this is an exciting couple of Of of weeks this month of Aquarius season. Please make sure to check in with me at embodied astrology on Instagram or check your inboxes for my newsletters around the new and the full moon. I'll be sending out lunar attunements and you can always follow me on Instagram for semi-regular a couple of times a week posts on astrology. I'm wishing you all the best in Aquarius season and Beyond. Thanks for listening. Bye for now.

These horoscopes are month-ahead forecasts for each sign for Aquarius Season in 2020. Aquarius Season extends between January 20 - February 18, 2020. Go to embodiedastrology.com to find short written horoscopes for all 12 signs If you enjoy these horoscopes, please listen to “Freedom From the Known - Embodied Astrology for Aquarius Season.” In this episode I’ll take you on a tour of the zodiacal energy of Aquarius and explore how it manifests in our bodies, minds, emotions, relationships and in the world and the importance of Aquarius for the upcoming 2 decades! Everyone has every sign in their chart, and Aquarius represents amazing and important energy for each of us. This episode is a great preparation for the next 30 days of Aquarius season and is also a very healing and powerful energy to check in with at any point. Listen here Get the Aquarius Season Month Ahead Extended Forecast by becoming a subscriber today! Find out more here. If you enjoy this work and want to help support more of it, please leave me a tip! https://anchor.fm/app --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/embodied-astrology/message

Welcome to 1000 the podcast by train like a gymnast. I'm your host Daniel gray 1000 brings together gymnasts former gymnast coaches judges and gymnastics enthusiasts to tell into deep conversations about Behavior mental state physical training personal growth success and more all learned through the sport of gymnastics. Here's what you can expect on today's episode today. We hear from 2008 Olympic silver medalist 10 time world medalist and second. Most decorated us gymnasts in world championship history, Alicia Sacramone Quinn about living.Healthy lifestyle being the best version of you and learning the fundamentals in order to do or create anything you want in life. I think they see what gymnastics is being done on television and they're like, oh my gosh, I could never do that. Well, right. Yeah, we didn't start just like yesterday. It takes years of practice and dedication, but that doesn't mean anybody can learn a back handspring or a backflip or anything that they kind of, you know envisioned in their head. It just takes time and commitment and that's the biggest thing if you want to do it you just have to put in the work and if people can get over that initial of like intimidation factor of oh, I just watched this girl do a an Arabian double front. There's no way I'm ever going to do that. Well, yeah, maybe not today or anytime soon, but maybe you'll do it in the Air Track and your trampoline. I don't know but it just gets really fun once they get into it. So I think they just have to, you know be a little ballsy and just give it a try but first a word from our sponsor. If you haven't heard about anchor it's the easiest way to make a podcast. Let me explain it's free first of all, so there's that then there's creation tools that allow you to record and edit your podcast right from your phone or computer. Like I'm doing right now anchor will distribute your podcast for you. So it can be heard on Spotify app a podcast and many other platforms. You can make money from your podcast with no minimum listenership. This was really a game changer for me in the beginning and it's everything you need to make a podcast in one place. So download the free anchor app or go to Anchor dot. F m-- to get started. I am a Lisha sacrimoni Quinn. I am a former Olympic silver medalist. I am also a 10 time world medalist in the second most decorated us gymnasts in world championship history. That's so amazing. So honored to have you on and you have that like perfectly down you like what what else has like did I forget anything? Oh, well, we can always Google it if you need to. And you're also the co-creator of the gym fire. Correct? That is right. So Samantha Patrick was my Olympic teammate and she has always been super close with me and once gymnastics kind of ended. We were like we want to figure out a way where we can stay connected and like keep each other accountable for like just wanting to live a healthy lifestyle and it's not necessarily like, oh, oh get on each others butts every day like, oh you better work out but some days I'm like, hey, I just had three glasses of wine instead of working out and she's like weird. So did I so it was more like a just to keep in contact because you know, it's so easy to lose touch these days and then it kind of turned into let's see what we can do to inspire other people just to live, you know, a healthy lifestyle and you know just be the best version of themselves. Exactly. Yeah. That's that's kind of My Philosophy to it's just enjoying that body weight movement getting people to move and a lot of times people think gymnast or gymnastics is like super intimidating or Or too intense or they don't want to do it or they can't do this or that so like what do you have to say about people who feel like gymnastics is too hard for them or they can't start it. I think they see what gymnastics is being done on television and they're like, oh my gosh, I can you have do that? Well, yeah, we didn't start just like yesterday. It takes years of practice and dedication, but that doesn't mean anybody can learn a back handspring or a backflip or anything that they kind of, you know envisioned in their head. It just takes Time and commitment and that's the biggest thing if you want to do it you just have to put in the work and if people can get over that initial of like intimidation factor of oh, I just watched this girl do a an Arabian double front. There's no way I'm ever going to do that. Well, yeah, maybe not today or anytime soon, but maybe you'll do it in the Air Track in your trampoline. I don't know but it just gets really fun once they get into it. So I think they just have to you know be a little ballsy. Just give it a try. Yeah, take that first step So speaking of Of the training and you're putting in the work what how do you train now that you're not competitive, you know to keep yourself at a peak level keep that Health in an infant is balanced. So for me, it's really about balance. Like I have two kids now and it used to be like I take an hour. It's going to be my time for myself get workout in and now it's like okay I get 30 minutes when my kids snapping it's gonna be like ding ding boom and I feel like it's just even getting a little bit in helps now, it's more kind of sir. Training I hate cardio just made it. So I kind of refused to do it which is not really healthy. But yeah, maybe I'll get on the bandwagon someday. So it just took a little bit of time for me to figure out what I like doing. So for me, I incorporate a lot of my gymnastics off because it's what I knew I was like, well, I know this makes me strong in my course. I'm still keep doing that and maybe I'll just add some some weights like kettlebells or just free weights to know spice it up a bit right totally and what what lessons did Did you learn from gymnastic that you want to pass on to your kids? You know gymnastics taught me discipline it taught me respect and just that I could do anything that I put my mind to just like kind of cliche but it's ultimately very true when I started I didn't want to be an Olympic gymnast. I started gymnastics that I wasn't good at anything else. Like I tried all these other sports and was like a hot mess Express out there and my parents were like good Lord. This kids never going to find an activity and so I was doing ballet which I liked but a little boring and so I started gymnastics as like a latch Stitch effort. My mom's will be up too much energy. I just don't know what to do with you. Let's try gymnastics and it was kind of like literally love that first flip. I love that. So okay you weren't you weren't good at the other things, but that didn't mean I mean, did you feel like you could be good at something or did you feel like your parents kind of LED you to that so I for people who are like, oh this isn't my thing. This is my thing. And I feel like they're just not meant to be athletic or an athlete like like how did it wasn't an external factor that that pushed you towards. It's trying something else or did you know that you could do something? I don't think I mean I was so young when I got into gymnastics was 8 so I don't necessarily think I in my mind I needed to be something or do something. It was more. Like I just wanted to find you know, just an after school activity to be with friends and just do something like that was fun. And then when I started trying other sports like tennis and soccer as a they were fun, but it just like it wasn't for me. I wasn't passionate about it. I didn't at it like didn't make me want to be there every day and hour early like and then I started gymnastics and I would literally be at practice an hour early and if I wasn't an hour early I was freaking out on whoever is taking a like I need to get there. So like your practice doesn't start till 4:30. It is 2:30. I'm like I need to get there soon. And so for me, I just never wanted to leave. I always wanted to be there. I like the challenge of it. And once I got something else there was something new to learn. So for me, I think it just seemed like I could never accomplish too much. And it and for I like that challenge of it. Yeah, and you have that love my enjoyment and that's something that I ask anybody who kind of is interested in getting back into shape. It's like when you were doing a sport you weren't doing that sport to look a certain way. The Aesthetics wasn't you're doing it because you enjoy it and you wanted to be better and for some reason people don't make that connection. It's like, oh well, it's I'm thinking of it as a sport like, you know, I'm not just working out. So I I can look good for summer because those kind of goals they're very superficial and they're not long-lasting and I think the difference between athletes and people who are working out for an aesthetic or you know, superficial reason have have different life spans of their business career. So how is it important to have a purpose and a y1 training? Even it doesn't even have to be in training. I think in life. It is really important to have a why you know, it just gives you more legitimacy have to whatever you're doing. It's you're not just kind of floating through life thinking like, oh, yeah, this seems like a good idea. I'm going to go do that. So for me even training-wise like if I go into the gym without a plan if I know it doesn't feel as good of a workout, but I think it's definitely important to have a wide to everything you do in life. Not just training not just you know, you don't have to be an athlete to have Curb. So what you're doing as a mom, it's great for me to be like, okay. What is my plan with these kids? Like I love them. Yes their mind. But like what do I want them to be? I want them to be great individuals with manners and compassion. And so it's just having that aspect in every part of your life. Even training makes it so much better I go in the gym, and I'm like, all right, I'm gonna work out today and I have no plan and I just end up laying on my stomach half the time being like, okay. Well that was a strong for minute plank, you know, nothing else. It's Just you feel more accomplished when you have reason and purpose behind whatever you're doing. Yeah, and it's so you have a gym at your house or you don't I can give you a little tour. We have like a big rack. We have a Woodway elliptical kind of get a rower and then just a bunch of random stuff. My husband. He was a former NFL quarterback. So for him working out was huge and it's like a big Emotional outlet for him and he loves it. So he had this stuff off and he was playing and one of his other houses and then we move down to her main residence here in Florida, and we just kept it and it's honestly great. I have zero excuses to not go to the gym. So the did my garage so it makes it nice that way. I don't have to leave if it's raining the baby's napping. I could just kind of scoot down here keep the monitor on and get whatever I need done, which is really nice because I feel like I am a better mom wife friend daughter when I work out. Out. Yeah, can you go into that a little bit more? So like what does that mean? Like what makes you better? Why does why does the physical training aspect make your relationships better? I think the physical Outlet the endorphins that you know working out gives you it just makes me more mellow happier. I weigh more patient. Like I'm always a little bit on edge if I don't get to work out for a lot of days where like I haven't been able to work out this past week because my husband had foot surgery. So I've been taking care of him. Take care kid. Just like a little edgy like even to him. I'm not trying to be mean because like you need to go work out because like you got some like pent-up whatever going on and I'm like, you're right I do so, I just feel like it just you know eases my mind and like physically I like just getting being active if I feel better. Yeah. And so what's your typical style workout? I know you said like, okay, they got to be fast. If so, do you do a lot of hit you do a lot of body weight. Do you use the weights in the gym, or is that more for your husband? Like how do you train typically more? Hit definitely more body weight. I'm more like a functional trainer. So a lot of compound exercises, you know, utilizing more body parts at once just to get the biggest like bang for my buck and my workout I do a little bit of weight training. Honestly. I don't feel super comfortable. I mean, I'm certified in personal training and I know technically how to do it but it just like hasn't been in my workout workout makeup because the gymnastics obviously we are all just doing tons of body weight stuff and maybe very lightweight if so, I'm still kind of getting used to That but this all the heavyweight stuff is more for him. I just kind of stick to what I know because that's what I feel most comfortable with right. It's total same here. Like I I train people out of gym and it was like I could do it but it's just I mean, that's not how I train so like right it's to me is boring like just doing reps of the same thing not for purpose. It's that it always comes back to that purpose because like whenever you're working towards a skill or you have Have you know a sport that you're doing like the drills lead you to something and then when you get that skill the skill becomes a drill for something else. Yep. Yeah and weight training. It's that makes sense. Like okay you can up the weight. That's it. I want to be able to so I totally get that and I'm with you. It's like just the more functional training the body weight to another said like, you know, you could like eventually learn a handstand like from being able to start with elevated place to you're moving it forward. The progressions are great. And I think people don't realize that they're able to learn things like like that. So for me, I think I love trying to teach my friends those things like they're like, all right, I want you to train me and I'm like, all right. This is what we're going to do. Like am I going to be able to do a triple back handspring back flip after this Mike? Probably not but like you'd be strong enough to do it. Yeah. Oh my gosh, that's exactly it and and and people like, oh I could never like I had a booth at the Anaheim FedEx, but like last few weeks ago and you know people would walk by and see the scientist I train like a gymnast and they were like kind of shake their head. Like I said, yeah come over here like learn. But I can never do a cartwheel. It's like well, it's you didn't you can't be say that but you just think that you're just supposed to check it and that's that's not it you need to learn the safe progressions to do it. And and so much of it is foundational work that like the program and how I train people. It's The basics like seven year olds are doing this. It's like playing push-ups and your yeah. It's that's not impossible if some and it's it's not intimidating and I think if people you know work past that the fundamentals is all you really need. Yeah. It's an asset if you have good Basics, you can learn anything but it all starts from what you're learning. What do you initially start doing it? Exactly and I mean you as an Olympian you can totally attest to this at in the Olympic level. Still do Basics like all right, everybody in line for drawl. Can you just at that level you're still doing that stuff? And and I don't know like how often did you do Basics when you were kind of when you were Elite and and I guess either prepping for the Olympics or during that time our our Basics were our warm-up. So every day we implemented those at the beginning skills that we learned forward rolls. And Stan's cartwheels walking on your hands. That was our warm up. Like we would run we would do some Plyometrics and then we did all our Basics and then that got you ready to go do whatever bigger skills you need to do for your routines or what you're training for the Olympics. So no matter what like even at the Olympics that same warm up all the basics then we went to our events to warm up to compete. Yeah, I love it so much. So what you know, what's your advice to people who want to feel a sense of purpose again, or they were a former athlete and they want to get that They want to just feel like themselves like what are the steps they should do. What's your advice to them? I had a little bit of a Hiatus from working out and anything active after my Olympics in 2008 and I just wasn't in a good mental space and I was like know what I don't want to work out. I don't want do gymnastics. I just need to like be and that's okay. There are times when you're going to get burned out and you just don't feel like mentally physically emotionally is going to be the right thing for you to do. But if you feel like you're lagging or there's something missing and you want to like better. Yourself get in the gym like there are days when I feel like absolute crap when I'm pregnant when I'm not pregnant, you know just had a baby like and I was like last thing I want to do is work out but I always feel a thousand times better when I finish that work out. So like you need to think of that motivating feeling at the end to get you into the gym in they suck when you're doing it. But you your body will thank you for after for it after you'll feel so much better. You have more energy and if you're like me, you'll be more pleasant. So Just like you kind of have to keep that that feeling that mindset and feeling in your head to be like I know this is going to be shitty right now, but I know it's going to pay off at the end and I'll feel better. You'll look better. You'll have more confidence in the end of the day and I think most people are happiest when they are confident in how they look or how they feel. Yeah. Well, you know what it wasn't the inside matches the outside and I always say no one ever regrets a workout never unless you get her but that you know, that's just very rare as well. But also You just you still worked out. You still did something great. That's so good. It's so good. So I asked this to everybody. This is like the kind of wrap-up question. I asked to everyone who's on the show podcast. Whatever the question is. What does it mean to you to train like a gymnast? For me training like a gymnast is you know, it's almost like coming home for me. That is what I've known my whole life it what brings me peace of mind. It gives me confidence. So training like a gymnast is going in giving it a hundred percent effort. Even if it's for a short period of time and just kind of dominating and that makes me a better person and I attribute all my gymnastics training to be able to go in and have the confidence to do that. Never mind just because being intimidated by be like, oh gosh. I don't know if I can still do that. But either way I'm gonna give it a try just to see how it goes. And I think being humble about not being able to do something really is a big step in the right direction because you have to be able to accept what you can and cannot do to be able to try to be able to do that in the future. Oh so beautifully said those so thank you. I love it. So if somebody has a question for you. Wants to get in touch. Where can they go to learn more about you to follow your journey. If you are on the gram that most people are my Instagram handle is at a sa Cube 3 and Twitter is similar. It is at a SAQ underscore 3. I post workouts. I try to be pretty comical and it's very real what you see is my actual life. It's not super glamorous. I am occasionally covered with vomit and or boogers, but I keep Keep it light and I keep it real and I try to keep it healthy. Perfect. Well, I hope you all reach out or you know, follow ask questions comment and just keep up with their because it's very very true. I love watching your story. I like it there, you know, it's not you're not trying to be anybody else that your thing, you know, but you're not so it's very authentic. Well, thank you so much Alicia for taking the time out of your busy life to hop on a pleasure. There's something yeah Danielle. This was great. Thank you so much. And if you guys haven't checked Daniel outer her workouts, you definitely should because if you train like a gymnast, you're probably going to be a badass right? Say it. Thank you so much for listening. I know there are hundreds of thousands of podcasts out there and you've chosen to listen to hours. If you enjoyed this season of the tenno podcast, there's more coming to you this fall. So be sure to hit subscribe to not miss when we return supporting our podcast would mean the world to us and ensure that we can have a season to just hit support this podcast on our site on anchor if you're interested in training like a gymnast go ahead to train like a gymnast.com and see how you can get involved until next time show the world what you got be outstanding and train. with purpose

In today's episode and season finale, we discuss the following: How Alicia trains now that she's not competitive to keep your health & fitness in check What Alicia tells herself when she doesn't feel like working out The biggest differences between training for the Olympics and training as a busy mom What gymnastics taught her and the lessons she will pass to her children Why learning basics and the fundamentals of gymnastics are so important Why is it important for people to have a purpose when working out Alicia's advice to people who want to have a sense of purpose as an athlete again Alicia's definition of what it means to train like a gymnast Takeaway: Are you intimidated by the big picture, your overall goals? What's something you want to learn in gymnastics or life in general and what are all of the progressions you can do to get there? Get in Touch with Alicia! Alicia's Instagram Alicia's Twitter The Gympire Instagram Danielle coaches women to recognize how their beliefs hold them back from doing incredible things. She helps unlock their full potential through gymnastics-based conditioning. See if you have what it takes to Train Like A Gymnast. Support our podcast so we can come back for Season 2 here: https://anchor.fm/trainlikeagymnast --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/trainlikeagymnast/support

Story 3 of Dublin eyes Arabi North Richmond Street, being blind was a quiet street except that the era when the Christian Brothers School set the boys free and uninhabited House of two stories stood at the blind end detached from its neighbors in a square ground. The other houses of the street conscious of decent lives within them gazed at one another with brown imperturbable faces. The former tenant of our house. The priest had died in the back drawing-room are mostly from having been long and closed Hong and all the rooms and the waste room behind the kitchen was littered with old useless papers among these I found a few paper covered books the pages of which were cold and damp the Abbot by Walter Scott The Devout communicant and the Memoirs of vidocq. I like the last best because it's sleeves were yellow The wild garden behind the house contained a central apple tree and a few struggling bushes on a one of which I found the late tenants Rusty bicycle pump. He had been a very charitable priest in his will he left all his money to institutions and the furniture of his house to his sister? Whether short days of winter came dusk fell before we had well, eaten our dinners when we met in the street. The houses had grown somber the space of sky above us was the color of ever-changing violet and toward the lamps of the street lifted their feeble lanterns. The cold air Stillness and we played to our bodies glowed. I'll shout echoed in the silent Street. The career of our play brought us through the dark muddy Lanes behind the houses where we ran the gauntlet of the rough tribes from The Cottages to the back doors of the dark dripping Gardens were old as a rose from the ash pits to the dark odorous tables where a coach man smooth and calm the horse. I shook music from the buckled harness. When we return to the street light from the kitchen windows had filled the areas if my uncle was saying turn in the corner we hid in the shadow until he had seen him safely housed on Earth magnet sister came out on the doorstep to call her brother into his tea. We watched her from our shadow peer up and down the street. We waited to see whether she would remain or go in now and if she remained we left our shadow and walked up to Mangan steps resignedly. She was waiting for us her figure defined by the light from the half-open door her brother always teased her before he obeyed and I stood by the railings looking at her her dress won't as she moved her body and the soft rope of our hair tossed from side to side. Every morning I lay on the floor in the front parlor watching her door. The blind was pulled down to within an inch of the sash so that I could not be seen when she came out on the doorstep. My heart leaped. I ran to the hall seized my books and followed her. I kept her Brown figure always in my eye and when he came near the point at which I always diverged I quickened my pace and pastor. This happened morning after morning. Well, I've never spoken to her except for a few casual words and yet her name was like a summons to all my foolish blood. Her Image accompanied me even in places the most hostile to romance on Saturday evenings when my aunt went marketing all you had to go to carry some of the parcels we walked through the flare and streets jostles boy drunken man and bag and women amid, the courses of laborers the shrill litanies of Shop Boys who stood on guard by the barrels of pigs cheeks the nasal chanting us treating us who sang A Kamali about O'Donovan Rossa or a ballad about it. Troubles in our native land these noises converged in a single sensation of life for me. I imagined that I bore my chalice safely through a throng of foes. Her name's sprang to my lips at moments and strange prayers and Praises, which I myself did not understand my eyes were often full of tears. I cannot tell why and at times I float for my heart seemed to pour itself out into my bosom. I thought little of the future I did not know whether I would ever speak to her or not, or if I spoke to her how I could tell her of my confused adoration, but my body was like a harp and her words and gestures were like fingers running upon the wires. One evening. I went into the back drawing-room in which the priest had died. It was a dark rainy evening and there was no sound in the house through one of the broken panes. I heard the rain impinge upon the Earth the fine incessant needles of water playing in the sudden beds some distant Land by loaded window gleamed below me. I was thankful that I could see so little all my senses seemed to desire to Veil themselves and feeling that I I was about to slip from them. I press the palms of my hands together until they trembled more Merlin. Oh love. Oh love many times at last she spoke to me when she addressed the forest words to me. I was so confused that I did not know what answer. She asked me was I going to Arabi, but forgot whether I answered yes or no. It will be a splendid Bazaar. She said she would love to go. And why can't you I asked what she spoke she turned a silver bracelet round and round her wrist. She could not go she said because there would be a retreat that we can our Convent her brother and two other boys were fighting for their caps. And I was alone at the railings. She held one of the spikes power and I head towards me the light from the lamp opposite our door called the white core of our neck lit up our hair that rested there and Fallen little the hand. on the railing it fell over one side of our dress and caught the white border of a petticoat just visible as she stood at ease. As well fire. She said if we go I said I would bring you something. What innumerable Follies laid waste my waking and sleeping thoughts after that evening? I wish to annihilate the tedious intervening days. I chafed against the work of school at night in my bedroom. And by day in the classroom Her Image came between me and the page. I strove to read the syllables of the word araby, but called to me through the silence in which my soul luxuriated and cast an Eastern enchantment over me. I asked for leave to go to the bazaar on Saturday night. My aunt was surprised and hoped it was not some Freemason Affair. I answered a few questions in class. I watched my Master's face pass from Amy ability to sternness. He hoped I was not beginning to idle. I could not call my wandering thoughts together. I'd hardly any patients with the serious work of Life, which know that it stood between me and my desire seemed to me Child's Play ugly monotonous. Child's play on Saturday morning. I reminded my uncle that I wish to go to the Bazaar in the evening. He was forcing that the hard stand looking for the Hat brush and answered me courtly. Yes boy. I know as he was in the hall, I could not go into the front parlor and lie at the window. I left the house in bad humour and walked slowly towards the school. The air was pitilessly raw and already my heart. Misgave me. When I came home to dinner my uncle had not yet been home still. It was early. I sat staring at the clock for some time now and when it's taken began to irritate me, I left the room. I mounted the staircase and gained the upper part of the house the holy cold empty gloomy roomed liberated me and I went from room to room singing. From the front window. I saw my companions play and below in the street their cries reached me weakened and indistinct and Lena my forehead against the cool glass. I looked over at the dark house where she lived I may have stood there for an hour seeing nothing but the brown clad figure cast by my imagination touch the screen T by the Lamplight of the curved neck other hand upon the railings and at the border below the dress. When I came downstairs again, I found mrs. Mercer sitting at the fire. She was an old garrulous woman a Pawnbrokers Widow who collected you stamps for some Poise porpoise. I had to enjoy the gossip of the tea-table the way it was prolonged Beyond an hour and still my uncle did not call. Mrs. Mercer stood up to go. She was sorry. She couldn't wait any longer but it was after eight o'clock and she did not like to be out late as a lie. There was bad for her. When she had gone, I began to walk up and down the room clenching my fists my aunt said I'm afraid you may have to put off your bizarre for this night of our Lord at nine o'clock. I heard my uncle's latchkey in the hall door. I heard him talking to himself and here The hallstand Rockin when it had received the weight of his Overcoat. I could interpret these signs when he was midway through his dinner. I asked him to give me the money to go to the bazaar. He had forgotten The people are in bed and after therefore sleep now. He said I did not smile man said to him energetically can't you give him the money and let him go you've kept him late enough as it is. Well, God said he was very sorry. He had forgotten. He said he believed in the old saying all work and no play makes Jack a Dull Boy. He asked me where I was going. And when I had told him a second time, he asked me did I know the Arabs farewell to his steed? When I left the kitchen he was about to recite the opening lines of the peace to my aunt. I held a Florent tightly in my hand as I strolled down Buckingham Street towards the station the site of the street strong with bios and glaring with gas. We called to me the purpose of my journey. I took my seat in a third-class carriage of a deserted train after an intolerable delay the train moved out of the station slowly it crept onward among ruinous houses and over the twinkling River at Westland row station a crowd of people. Pressed to the carriage doors, but the porters move them back saying that it was a special train for the bizarre. I remained alone in the bear carriage in a few minutes the train Drew up beside an impoverished wooden platform. I passed out onto the road and saw but the lighted dial of a clock that it was ten minutes to ten in front of me was a large building which displayed the magical name. I could not find any 6-pin the entrance and fearing that the bizarre would be closed. I passed him quickly to a turnstile and initial into a weary local man. I found myself in a big Hall geared. Let half its height by a gallery. Nearly, all the Stalls were closed and the greater part of the hall was in darkness. I recognized the silence like that which pervades a church after a service. I walked into the center of the bizarre timidly a few people were gathered about the Stalls which are still open before A-Courtin over which the words Kathy Shan Tong were written and coloured lamps two men were counting money on a Salva. I listened to the fall of the coins. Remember with difficulty why I had come I went over to one of the stars and examined porcelain vases and flower tea sets at the door of the stall young lady was talk and laugh and was too young gentleman an American English accents and isn't vaguely to that conversation. Oh, I never said such a thing. Oh, but you did. Oh by didn't didn't you say that. Yes. I heard her. Oh, there's afib observing me. The only lady came over and asked me did I wish to buy anything the tone of her voice was not encouraging. She seemed to have spoken to me out of a sense of Duty. I loved humbly at the great jars that stood like Eastern guards at either side of the dark entrance to the stall and murmured. No. Thank you. The young lady changed the position of one of the vases and went back to the two young man. They began to talk of the same subject once or twice the young lady glanced at me over her shoulder. I lingered before her stall though. I knew my stay was useless to make my interest in her where it seemed the more real. Then I turned away slowly and walk down the middle of the bizarre. I allowed the two pennies to fall against the six pins in my pocket. I Heard a Voice call from one end of the gallery that the light was out. The upper part of the hall was now completely dark. Gazing up into the darkness. I saw myself as a creature driven and derided by Vanity and my eyes burned with anguish and anger. end of Story 3 araby end of Story 3 araby

Dubliners by James Joyce - Chapter 3 (Part 3 of 16 Full Audiobook) --- Dubliners is a collection of fifteen short stories by James Joyce, first published in 1914. They form a naturalistic depiction of Irish middle class  life in and around Dublin in the early years of the 20th century. The stories were written when Irish nationalism was at its peak, and a search for a national identity and purpose was raging; at a crossroads of history and culture, Ireland was jolted by various converging ideas and influences. --- Author: James Joyce Genre: Short Story Originally Published: June 1914 --- James Augustine Aloysius Joyce (2 February 1882 – 13 January 1941) was an Irish novelist, short story writer, poet, teacher, and literary critic. Joyce is best known for Ulysses  (1922), a landmark work in which the episodes of Homer's Odyssey are paralleled in a variety of literary styles, most famously stream of consciousness --- Audiobooks Daily is a weekly podcast featuring the best of public domain short stories, novels, poetry, and plays. Every episode features a new chapter, full audiobook, or commentary of a great literary work. Authors included on our podcast: Edgar Allan Poe, Virginia Woolf, Jane Austen, Mark Twain, William Shakespeare, Oscar Wilde, Charles Dickens, Ernest Hemingway, Arthur Conan Doyle, and many more! Join our community of literary lovers as we listen to some of the greatest fictional novels, stories, poems, and plays ever created! Episodes are uploaded four times a week.

episode 44 getting yourself out of victim mentality Welcome to the first year married podcast where we get real about building the marriage of your dream. I'm marriage Coach K 11, and I take newly married and engaged women from anxious and insecure too confident and connected through practical tips real-life inspiration and more than a little self awareness along the way. Hello ladies, welcome back. Those of you who have just celebrated the holidays. I hope you had meaningful experience. I hope it went well. I hope your in-laws didn't drive you crazy. You didn't yell at your husband when you are cranky and hungry. And if you did, that's great, too. It's all great. Thinking about this new year. I was looking through some of the requests that I received for topics that people wanted covered in the podcast and I thought even though I know not everybody listening did just celebrate Rosh Hashanah. That's cool. We can go with this. Anyway, I wanted to find something that I felt like what's going to give us the biggest room for growth? What is the one tool out of everything you guys were asking for that? I felt like had the most potential to kind of take you from where you are. Are in a place where you might be feeling stuck to really that next level that new place of breakthrough. The question that popped out to me was one that someone sent in which was how do I get out of victim mentality. Now? First of all, I was so impressed when that question came in in the first place because it takes already a certain amount of self-awareness to even realize and be willing to admit that you're in victim mentality, right? Well done already, but I also felt like this is one that applies. Eyes to all of us, right we all have some area of our life. If not multiple areas of our life where we really see ourselves as a victim the thing about being a victim is that when we see ourselves as the victim by definition we are powerless. Okay. So if I'm a victim to my circumstances and my relationship or in my with one of my extended family members or in my ability to earn money or save money or be responsible with money if I'm a victim when it comes to my self-control around If I'm a victim when it comes to my ability to find the right kind of exercise program that makes me feel good. Whatever. The thing is that we victimize ourselves we're doing is we're kind of giving ourselves like an easy out. I don't have the self-control to get off of social media. So even though it's not good for me right now. I just something I can do. I'm a victim you hear what I'm saying? So I thought this is a perfect topic to address starting out the year. So I'm going to give you seven steps to get elf out of victim mentality you guys ready? Before we get started though. I do want to just remind anybody November 10th is the first class. It's a call in class for the kala cohort. This is a specific run of the first year married program. I don't know if we're ever going to be doing this again. So if you're at all on the fence, you need to either send me a message or just go ahead and sign up because I don't know if it's going to happen again and it's going to be awesome and we already have some scientists coming in which is really exciting. So the caller cohort is the first year. Mary program custom-tailored to women in the Orthodox Jewish community. So I have women who are engaged all the way through more than 10 years married and I am so excited to be working with all of you. I'm hoping it's not going to get too too big. I think we have like right now A nice-looking amount. We could probably fit in a couple more people because I really do want to be able to give all of you a lot of attention. The course is designed for you to be able to walk away having mastered this material knowing how to coach yourself. Of its structured sequentially from where you need to start to where you need to go to have a complete transformation all the material that is the most powerful for my clients that I found myself repeating over and over and over to each client because it was what they needed to hear and it was what was helping them so much and it was what they had never heard before boiled down into one class because if I'm about anything it's systems and efficiency, and I just couldn't stand. And to have people paying me that much money to hear it one on one when they could pay me much less money and here in a group, but everyone who goes to the course is going to be getting a 30 minute session with me. So already like you're going to get that individual customized attention. So if you again if you're on the fence, if you're not sure about it, go ahead and sign up for the first class because there is no obligation and you can decide after the first class whether you're coming in for the whole course or not. The sign up is first year. Mary.com forward slash colic aall. Aah. If you're listening to this and you're feeling a little left out because this doesn't apply to you. Please reach out to me. I absolutely love doing cohorts. They are such a blast and I would love to do one that fits you. So reach out to me. You can get me an Instagram at first you're married or just email me at Kayla at first you marry.com. Okay, so let's dive into this. I need to start with an important caveat whenever we're talking about victim relationships anything like this because I do get a lot of questions about how this material Works in unhealthy or abusive relationships. This is a really tricky topic. But what I generally say is that if it's a relationship where you suspect any kind of abuse whether it's physical whether it's emotional whether it's a verb any kind of abuse if there's some kind of power play going on or you feel like the other Is not invested in the relationship. I don't mean he's just frustrated and it's been a couple weeks and he's been cranky and distant. I mean there's a major clear power play or people have reached out to you that they're concerned about it. It's always a good idea to speak to a qualified therapist. If you Google gottman therapists G OT TMA n therapists, you will find a resource page a directory for couples therapist that are certified. In gottman therapy, which is one that I highly recommend. I'm hoping to have somebody on to speak about this in more detail, but it's important to understand that if we're learning material about how to improve our relationships male-female Dynamics. So in many dysfunctional relationships that material can actually be helpful, but there are some dysfunctional relationship. So that material can be very dangerous because it's used in a way to try and fix An abusive relationship or try and change someone who's really not mentally able to do that. I wouldn't God forbid ever want somebody to use this material to get themselves more into an unhealthy relationship. So don't hesitate to reach out if you're not sure if you want to reach out to me and you need someone to just sort of be there with you as you're figuring it out, please do I just gave my contact information a second ago. So what we're talking about today are normal people. What do I mean by that? I mean that we have our highs and we have our loads we go through phases. I've been married for 10 years. I imagine myself married at 20 when you're married for one year. It's hard to imagine that someone could look back and be like, oh, wow. That was a really hard year for our marriage, right? But when you married for 20 years like that's possible when you're married for 50 years could be even more than a year. Right? We have our highs and our lows as individuals and as a couple so What we're talking about and this is going to extend to more than just the specific marriage relationship. We all fall into victim mentality sometimes whether it's a story about our relationship or abilities at work or with their physical health or our self disciplined. So here we're going to launch into the 7 tips, but I want to give you to help you with victim mentality ready tip. Number one identify the feeling when you're in victim mentality. Hopefully you're already at a point where you can at least retroactively notice it, you know, your flag is going to E up now because you just listen to this podcast. So you're already on the right track, but knowing the feeling viscerally is going to help you red flag it for the future, right? If you really know how it feels in your body then even without knowing. Oh, I'm in a story about victim mentality. You'll be like Oh, I'm doing that thing where I'm feeling really cranky intense and oh, that's how I feel when I'm doing the victim think am I doing the victim thing right now and then you'll start questioning your thoughts you hear me? So how does it feel in your body or what are Our habitual thoughts right? We tend to have lines in our heads like this always happens to me or I always mess that up or I'm all right and always or I should have or he never write anything like that will have sort of like a line that our brain likes to feed us that's like very comfortable. It's like her security blanket, right? So if you can identify those habitual thoughts that's another really good way to identify the feeling the next one is what's the story sometimes our victim mentality comes from one big story. One big story that we've been attached to for a while, right? So let's say it's I'm just not the happily-ever-after type things just don't work out for me like that. Okay. So anything we're going to guess that one more but anything that has a story like that is optional. You got me. Okay, if you want to talk to your girlfriend's about why your story's true and you guys can sit around and drink wine and eat chocolate and Ben and Jerry's and cry about it then go for it. But if you want to talk to me, I'm going to tell you your story is optional. Because it's actually nicer. I don't want you stuck in it tool number two is going to be beware of boundaries that you're setting to control often times when we're in victim mentality. What we try to do is control what's happening outside of us because that's understandable right meaning something's happening to me. I don't like what's happening to me. So I'm going to tell you my boundaries so my boundaries might be like, you can't talk to me or my A child or my husband like that. All right, here's how you know if you're in victim mentality because you come back afterwards and you're like I told them my boundaries and they didn't listen and then you're like spinning right? What do I do and instead stronger boundaries? Right? I need to tell them again. I need to have all my friends tell me how inappropriate that was, right. I need to come up with some kind of diagnosis for this person. They're clearly a narcissist right when a brother. I'm not saying no one's an artist has but we also do that sometimes right. So here's the thing if you're feeling frustrated that you set a boundary and it wasn't followed. You didn't set a boundary that's not called a boundary. Okay, and if you want to look into Brooke Castillo, she talks extensively about this, but I'll give you the summary right here. What you did is you told someone what to do and they didn't listen to you. Okay, any time we tell someone what to do they might do it, and they might not Fact of life. Okay a boundary is when I tell them that if they do something I will have to do the other thing you do X I do why you curse in front of my two-year-old. I'll be leaving with my two-year-old. Yeah, you drink too much on our date. I will get a cab home. Okay, so a boundary is if you do this, I'll do this. You're never spinning out of control if you have a boundary. It's that like that because you know what you're going to do. It's not reliant on the other person. Okay, so that's going to get you straight out of victim mode victim mode is I need them to change their behavior. So I'm going to tell them rules boundaries are I got me covered. I'm going to take care of myself. I'll be fine. This person might do something. I don't like I'm going to do what I need to do to take care of myself, and I'm not going to be frustrated or upset because they shouldn't be that way. Way they're going to just be whatever way they're going to be and I'm going to be okay. Right and you guys can totally do this. You really can. However, that person is being is exactly how they should be. Tool number 3 articulate the thought are you guys getting used to me saying this yet? I think this is becoming like one of my catchphrases. I think it's come up and pretty much every podcast episode articulate the thought we articulate. I mean it needs to be an actual words. You can't question a thought if you haven't articulated it. Okay. So if you're like, oh I've got this thing about me and guys I can't do anything with that. Right? You can't do anything with that find out what your story is. If it's I'm not the happily-ever-after type. Nothing good ever happens to me. I want you to write it down and look at it. And then here's the thing. Don't try and change it yet. Don't be in a big rush to make it go away. Just look at it. Feel it be with it acknowledge where it's been in your brain. This is like a really, you know, they say like the neural Pathways that we use over and over like super highways, right? They just the cars just go straight down so easy. It's so fast. There's no traffic on these ones. Yeah, so you've been having this thought a long time just like notice that that that's been happening that's been coming up. So automatically it's not even a conscious decision anymore just happens. And so what we tend to do is we have articulate the thought and then we immediately try to jump to another thought really fast because this one's really uncomfortable. Yeah, or we're starting to realize that this one's doing bad things for us. It's creating bad results in our life, but I really want to urge you not to be in a rush. We don't have to run away from it because it's only a sentence that were thinking that's all it is. There's nothing urgent. It's just thoughts and feelings. Tip number four is I want you to start noticing the results of your thought. So here's where we want to focus on the present instead of which is really normal and natural to go past focused. Okay, what we want to do is be like, oh happily ever after. Well, of course, I feel that way the first guy that I've ever dated. This is how it ended up and this is what happened with my parents and this is how you know, I thought that I was going to be the captain of the team and I lost it in the last moment and look at all this proof I have Have that I'm just not the happily ever after type things. Just don't work out for me. That's what we want to do. We want to go back to all of our evidence of why it's true and it feels productive, right? It feels like if we go back there, we're going to sort of uncover the truth of where it comes from. But all we're really doing is we're walking those Pathways over and over again. We're reinforcing the original thought so unless you're doing it in a really careful way. You could really fall into this trap of like look how true this is because look at my history. So I know it's very interesting. It's very compelling to question where your story came from you first sure have lots of reasons of why your story's true. But right now what I want you to do is stay in the present and look at what the thought is doing. So that means how is it making you feel? I'm like really take some time with that. What kinds of things are you capable of because you have this thought? And what kinds of things are you not capable of because you have this thought. So just spend some time getting to know it getting to know the results of it getting to know the effect of it in your life. Could take some time on that. And that's really the next tip tip number five, which is to live with your thought. She probably saying steps. These are like Steps not tips. I'm switching from now on it's Steps step number five live with your thought. So now that you've gone scientific and cerebral right? You've articulated it and you're noticing it now. I want you to go do some field research how that's how this is playing out for you because you're going to gather a little bit from right now. Okay in the last week or two I see when I had that thought how it worked out, but I want you to now move. Forward knowing that thought in your head and then watch it in action. Okay. So when you see this thought show up and you identify how it's making you feel and what you're doing when you have that thought and what it's getting you in your life. So you should write it down or what is often a really good shortcut send a voice memo and I would say send a voice memo to your podcast buddy. Some of you guys have pod. Cast buddies for this podcast and that's so awesome. If you don't have one just go get one to share this episode and then you've got a podcast buddy and then you can send your voice memos to each other about when your thought is coming up. Okay. Step number six is now this is the part you were waiting for you get to start to Jiggle It Loose. Okay. So here are some questions you want to ask yourself. How is the opposite of my story also true? So for instance, how do I always get happily ever after? So I just experienced this I was going into the holidays and with all the thoughts and feelings and emotions of going into the days of repentance and self-analysis and wanting to grow and hoping to be leaving behind any of our negative traits vary like intense couple days, which is a wonderful thing. I was feeling very low about everything that had happened with my health and the previous year those of you who've been following the podcast. No, but I develop type 1 diabetes, which is an autoimmune condition over. Last year and spent a lot of time feeling really horrible. And at this point now I'm going to be insulin-dependent for the rest of my life barring any medical or otherworldly Miracles. So I'm sitting there thinking I really got beat up this year right this last year. I really was put through the ringer. So what's going to be next year, right? So it's feeling like really like nervous and unmotivated didn't want to connect. But then I realized that the opposite of that story was equally true. Right and so I can give you my example and it's not going to be the same as your example, but then when I when I looked at the opposite, so I feel like I've been through the ringer but then I was like but also, how was this the best year ever? So not only did I have reasons that this was the best year ever but I also had two reasons that this particular challenge this particular diagnosis was actually also a blessing did also make things happen in our life that we had dreamed of for years. Years and years like moving to Israel, right? So Yours isn't necessarily going to translate as quickly, but often it will often when you have the thought and then you just want to look at it from the other side. You're going to see not that now. I'm just deluding myself right? I'm not just saying. Oh that thoughts on comfortable. Let me go have this squeaky clean thought that's why I like it really nervous when people are trying to do like mantras and you know Law of Attraction stuff because they're not paying attention first to what's going on in their brain. They're just trying to replace it with other stuff. So I feel like it's like it's Taking a really weak foundation and then building like one of those Hollywood houses that they use in scenes where it's like all cardboard, you know, and there's no there's no rooms. It's just the front of the house. You guys know what I'm talking about. I spent a lot of time at MGM as a kid because I'm from Orlando, but you know what? I mean like those those like fake houses that look like houses from the outside, but there's nothing inside over like a really weak Foundation. That's kind of how I feel like what's happening. They're building these massive houses on no Foundation because instead of looking into what's actually going on in their brain and realizing That everything that's happening is just because of a thought and the thought is just words. It's just a sentence in your head and that that makes it optional. Right, and then I just try and immediately like adopted ones that feel better or feel more powerful or feel more like they're going to make me a lot of money or whatever it is. So I'm building on a very weak foundation. So what we're doing is we're starting by jingling at loose right? We're asking how the opposite is also true. Why because you need to see the truth in the fact that it is only a thought. Right not because I want you to jump to the new Happy Mantra, but because you need to see that it's only a thought. After this experience going into the holiday. They realized that I could totally see this as having gone through the ringer last year and I can totally see this as one of the biggest blessings of my life and they're equally true which makes them optional. Neither one is make-believe. Neither one is fantasy. They're just both thoughts. And so then what I what I generally want to do is then say, okay. So my goal is to be this this this idea this I this this image I have Of my values and who I want to be and how I want to show up in the world and how I want to contribute to the world. So which one of these is going to help me and honestly, sometimes it might be the other one. Sometimes it might be the negative one. Sometimes I might want to be able to say set to someone else I get where you're coming from. I know what it means to feel beaten up. I know what it means to not get Wai something could happen to you. Right but a lot of the times it's going to for me. It's going to be a practicing gratitude of the other of the positive thought. Alright, so then when you've jiggled those thoughts looks right when you've gone through them when you really identify them when you started to play with them and see how they're showing up in your life. If you really gotten their sober some of you I know you've been really working this material and you've been listening regularly and you've been listening from the beginning and you really are are applying it to your life. So you can try this and don't be frustrated if it doesn't work because this is advanced stuff. Is go all out go playful and pick a new amazing thought doesn't have to be replaced. This one. Just pick some new thought that try it on because if you really get to the place of realizing how arbitrary our thoughts are. Then you can do this, then you can do this game of like, oh my gosh, this is amazing. Right the only reason that when I first got my diagnosis, I wasn't completely Crushed by it was because I was in the middle of a very intensive cohort of first-year married, which means I was doing the coaching consistently, right? And so I had so much mental Clarity on how my thoughts were affecting me and I had so much of a power of play of being able to put in new thoughts because I had done the initial foundational work of seeing how my thoughts are affecting me. Those are steps guys seven steps. I noticed some of you I don't know if this feels more like review. I hope not. I hope this is going to help you really take this material and apply it more. I think we like to grab onto catchphrases and I think the phrase victim mentality really is one of those catch phrases and I want to always encourage you to be a little skeptical be a little suspicious of phrases like that because once we name it something then it sort of has this like it's in bold print, you know, it's it's important and serious. Right? So I'm taking victim mentality and trying Get down for you into really truthfully the basic thought work. We all go there. And sometimes we're more caught up in a certain story, which does Place Us in the role of the victim in a certain area of our life. Right? Like I said, like you might it might be coming up a lot in your marriage or maybe coming up a lot when it comes to overeating or you might be coming up a lot somewhere else in your life. But ultimately what it means is if you're going through these seven steps identify the feeling watch out for boundaries that you're setting to control. So make sure you're doing boundaries properly articulate the thought notice the results of your thought. live with your thought jiggle the thought loose and then if you want move on to the advanced skill of go all out and pick a brand-new amazing thought then we can take this big sort of scary concept of victim mentality and boil it down to something that's very actionable very practical and mostly very normal. It's so normal right? Sometimes we think things are normal. They're like, we're paralyzed it's so normal. So I hope these tools are powerful and helpful. You again those of you who want to take this work further and you fit this profile Orthodox Jewish you want to go and do the collar cohort? I would love to have you you want to join the first year married program. That's not your cohort. You can either reach out to me. We can put a cohort together, or you can join into the Evergreen first-year married program, which is online all the time at first you're married.com. I would love to see you in there. I would love to work with you either way, and thank you so much for tuning in this week. I will talk to you again. Next week. Bye. Bye.

I was looking through some of the requests that I’ve received for topics to cover and I wanted to address the one that would give us the biggest room for growth, the most potential. And so this question “how do I get out of victim mentality?” really stuck out to me. Because as long as we see ourselves as a victim, we are BY DEFINITION powerless. Before we go further: November 10 is the first call of our Kallah Cohort, a specific LIVE First Year Married course for women in the Orthodox Jewish community! The first class is free and no-obligation, but you need to sign up to get a spot! See you there! An important note about this whole episode: this material, like all of my material, does NOT apply to unhealthy or abusive relationships. We all have ups and downs--as individuals and in our marriages--but I encourage anyone who is unsure if their relationship is abusive or dysfunctional to seek out a qualified couples therapist. Here is one great resource. We all fall into victim mentality sometimes, whether it’s a story about our relationship or our abilities at work or with our physical health or self-discipline… Here are seven steps to help you leave victim mode behind. Identify the feeling. Knowing the feeling, viscerally, will help you “red flag” it for the future. How does it feel in your body? What are your habitual thoughts? What’s the story? Anything with a story is optional. Beware of boundaries set to control. If you are frustrated that you set a boundary and it wasn’t followed, you didn’t set a boundary you just told someone what to do and they didn’t do it. Listen to learn how to set boundaries that don't leave you in victim-mode. Articulate the thought. You guys getting used to me saying this? You can’t question a thought until you articulate it. So what’s the story? “I’m not the happily-ever-after type.” So write it down. Look at it. Feel it. Be with it. Don’t be in such a rush to get rid of it. What we tend to do is we half-articulate it then we try to jump to another thought so fast because this one is so painful. Don’t be in a rush. It’s not urgent, it’s just feelings. Notice the results of your thought. Here’s where we want to focus on the present instead of, as is a natural tendency, to go past-focused. It’s interesting to question where your story came from. You for sure have reasons for why it’s true. But right now just look at WHAT THE THOUGHT IS DOING. How does it make you feel? What kinds of things are you capable of with this thought? What aren’t you? Live with your thought. Now that you’ve gone scientific and cerebral, gather some field research on how it’s playing out for you. Watch it in action. Write it down or send a voice memo to your podcast buddy if you have one (if not, time to get one!) Now you can start to jiggle it loose. How is the opposite true? How do you always get happily-ever-after? (Going into the holidays feeling so low from everything that happened with my health this year… then realized the opposite is equally true.) Advanced skill: Go all-out play and pick a new amazing thought! This ONLY works if you’ve really spent time in your current thought, with awareness and mindfulness! Thanks so much for the question and I look forward to seeing you back here next week! In the meantime, have you checked out my FREE class at FirstYearMarried.com?

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You are tuned in to AfterBuzz TV the ESPN of tv top. Now. Look where we going. We're beginning after my cold opens. I just look at Pam's because of the thumbs up like that was good. Good job. I hope it was good. And I hope that that brings you in it was a packed episode. This was a phenomenal episode. We have so much to talk about welcome and everybody as mentioned episode. Four of the challenge for the world. It's complicated. I'm Jenna bussiere joined by my to co-host tonight. We got Pam over here. Yes. I really excited to get into this. There was so much that happened so I can't wait to get deep into the discussion. Yeah, Dan here going to bring some reality to this reality show tonight Stan. The Man is here. So we're going to dive into the double elimination incredible twist every man for himself. Loving the way they went with this. They really deliver this time. They listen to us from final Reckoning. Our complaints from the Vendetta's Trilogy and they came with it tonight with the great illumination going to get into the deli challenge the costume party, which is a whole mess. We got the Joker. We got Harry Potter. We got all of these different characters all together. We got some news and gossip. Hey, I was gonna give you we're gonna give a little segment of Pam's five reasons why and Dan's got some conspiracy Corners. I do. That's great. We're very excited episode 4 Let's kick it off with some overall thoughts. Okay, I'll take it away. I loved the competition that we kicked it off with it was so fun to lean to start right away with such a fierce and neat and intense competition. But only for five teams out of 14 were able to complete it. So I'm like his it too hard or do we want that? I don't know. That's we can discuss that. I wish we saw more of the costume party. Just I wish we got to see more Of people having fun the pigtail costume the pigtails weren't enough for you pigtails were more than enough for me not enough of leg by Kyle. We saw a lot to come. We sell lots of leg. Kyle will not be happy until he has all the hair in pigtails - you just can't stop leg hair exactly. And for president. I nominate Leroy with the best move that it's like dude. Don't fight in a skirt with pigtails with you Leroy and turbo that speech was really wonderful. In my country that because we're all like whoa, who are you picking? And obviously they were too kind of Shakespeare of the challenge Yes Man a beautiful warm piece words. So those are my overall thoughts. All right. Ladies. Okay, here we go. I said he was gonna make us hate him tonight, you know, right? Here's the thing. Kyle will never redeem himself for everything that he's already done in the past two seasons. He almost redeemed himself tonight. He showed this whole on he showed compassion when Lost the challenge and he actually I thought those are real tears. I don't think he was doing that for show. He also didn't pick Cara when he easily could have picked Cara but you can't call a woman a slut and it all went away because of that but I thought this was a really interesting episode for Kyle like these going up a mountain you're thinking he's getting bad up down. It was very eye. It was he was very entertaining tonight overall. It was like his episode. It really was I for me it was in the fact that he won that challenge. Change to he competed in one I know seat. He's 48 years old or whatever and JP. I don't even know if you knew the rules of the game. He's very confused. But Kyle did win. So there you go. I'm gonna jump out then right off the gate with a conspiracy theory to refute your sure. You're a thought that Kyle is redeeming himself by not voting and Cara. Sure Pharisee Theory. I don't think it's because it still has feelings for her. I think it's a smart game game move and he knows that Cara has always been easily sweet. Swayed by him and easily seduced so maybe by doing this he's trying to get into cars emotional and mental game again saying like Cara. I'm not going to do this to you but he's right about you. He's playing my back. I'm going to have yours so I don't think it I don't think he actually does care. I don't think there's feelings and that's honestly my point my point is that he's playing this game really well so far and this was a great episode for him. Overall. That's all I'm saying. He said he had a because he's like, no, I think he's making a move by trying to get on the good side of Cara and Paulie by being respectful to Cara by not throwing her and by Saving her guilting her into having his back later on in the game, but also playing to her emotions because she he knows he easily has a control over her in some weird way. So he's trying to like manipulate her emotionally subconsciously as well. I didn't think of that but I think it's moderately valid. I do agree though that I don't think he was sparing. I don't think he was sparing car up out of the goodness of his heart rate TV tonight. Ladies and I will agree with you that I'd Thank you. Pat a chance in hell to win. But when he did I was like, oh, I'm not gonna lie. Yeah, I hate him and he's the worst but he's not he's not the best at said if he left because he is amusing. He causes a lot of drama like dare I say and don't you ever quote me on this. I was sad there was not a lot of Amanda because I like getting riled up about how much I think I've literally yeah when he won I wrote this is great for the show. We're going to get at least one more week of him and Polly going at each other at one point Polly doesn't even need to be in this he wants to sacrifice himself to just go against how I'm not want more of this is a fantastic. I'm sorry. I tried to fall on the sword and volunteer for the honor of women and let's take the girls out of this. All the girls are safe you and me Kyle meet me in the middle one-on-one man-to-man and teachings just like no, bro. Man like this you can while you're right the elimination rules Polly white, but it's also like people done that before we sought well, I guess Jordan was up for elimination. Remember that one season when he went in and he turned all of the he opens all of like we're all the little boxes you have to open to find the white skull and he found this he just made it to that. He would find the skull so he would have to go in again Ryan has so we've seen people sacrifice and volunteer themselves of for and TJ actually allow it, but the best part is like nah, Yeah, like right. Yeah Paulino go back. Yeah, but that was TJ was great. He's just literally like no dude. He was already frustrated with turbo having listened to how long that speech really. Um, we also kind of have another conspiracy theory or strategy. I think the best thing to be in this game is to have a language barrier and just not have people know what you're saying. So that way they don't really understand what side you're on your alliance is with where you're going with things and they just want you to then cut to the Chase and they'll just love you because you're like The Lovable turbo Monarch. She broke her printer. It's like all about who's going to vote in by the end of it everybody. Just wanted to spit it out. So it's Like just pretend like you don't know the language, right everybody saying everyone just gonna love you because it's too hard not to love it. Yeah, exactly and back to real quick on Kyle and it not being sincere. I think they picked a Natalie and JP because they felt the most confident. They could beat them not to say, it's Maura not too. Well, whatever. No but the completely enthroned in that Carla, I guess. I don't know. I guess I'm getting sucked into how great he's playing it. Not only as he won an elimination and he's playing the social game. He's doing it this season. And to me that's entertaining. You can't don't know slut-shame woman, especially when you're a man-whore you're a have a cake and you to type of guy. I mean, what are you doing? Dude? I'm gonna kind of say about P. What if he didn't say what if you didn't call her something what they just got in a fight him and polygons a fight would you is there any way you guys could have been like wow Kyle had a good episode. He didn't come off as like an ass ass. He just came off as I want to win this game. And that's just my whole thing even more to the fact that he does not have feelings for Cara and that confessional just being completely us because I don't know. People use words of hatred and words. They don't mean to go about people they love sometimes but in my thought if you're a guy and you really loved this one when you still have feelings, you're not going to call her a slut you just you can't that's what we call like a manipulative unhealthy relationship and also so can I jump ahead and do this now? Because it's the five reasons why Kyle is the worst 13 Reasons Why this is a Kamala gross Jill's five reasons why and tonight? It is five reasons. Why you Think I'll is the worst and these are just jumping into everything. We're saying one or we're going to start five. I'll throw you all. Thank you. Again, everyone stop threatening to fight. You're on a TV show. There are security people like two feet away from them at this point. Stop threatening to fight. You're not going to fight Polly Kyle. You're not going to fight stop it. Paulie was like come to your house. You know, I'll come too far to why this is Kyle's the worst not policy was the worst. He started it. He said come on down here and fight me worst. Okay. Thank you NEX okay for Tears, I don't think that they were his tears I do I think he is the most I think they were real. I think they worked for baby baby Kyle. He they were not. Oh, I'm sorry. I let you down Maddie. They were oh, no baby. Kyle might look stupid against his opposition. My manhood is being challenged. I think he's under a lot more pressure than you guys think to succeed. I think that really hurt him. I also think he's like God I'm dragging this girl mad. He has no idea what's going on the whole season through the mud because of a thing that I had last season with the other two, Yeah. No, I agree that he was sad, but I think it was entirely for himself and for looking stupid. Thank you necks. Sorry. Thank you calling calling Cara Maria laughing slow. Of course, we can across the board agrees the worst number to lying and trying to strong-arm George. Oh that was but that was that was a very that's where I'm like you would be correct. If we didn't see him literally being a bad manipulator and bad game. No, I'm coming for you next season. And he thinks he's suddenly bananas like but here's the thing. He actually he actually might be on next season unless Georgia does a really good job this season convincing producers to bring her back. We don't know that yet the tribunal it was not good to start trying to strong-arm and bullying her into a future thing. And she was one of the top three so not a great enemy to make right now with Hunter who already doesn't like you and threatening her back and cross form and then number one. Yes. I can't wait all boils down to I think he I don't think it's because he likes her cares about her loves her has real feelings is obsessed with Cara because she's bride because his it is that isn't fake relate. You know, he I don't know if he used her to begin with and he's got a storyline because the car I'm Paul Peg. Yeah. So does Polly though they all feel because of other that Zach and she saw over Cara's bringing me into thing. It's like Kyle stop. He's all He's talking about are always a lot of always making even that so Showmanship of whatever he was was car-related. It's like God Kyle just get a different angle when Polly and Polly said, it's not about Cara. Did you believe that though? Because I don't know but both of them there's some machismo wagon it around. That's what I'm sorry. It's like both of you shut up. Yeah, it's ridiculous. I don't believe it. But I think it's at the point where Paulie no longer needs to use Cara as an excuse to do anything to I'll they hate each other because they also hate each other it started with Cara. But when you hate somebody for a certain reason and more things escalate and build and build guess what you're always going to be enemies and that's it. Right. He doesn't need to use car as an excuse anymore. So Kyle saying, right, you know, it's because of Cara him saying no, it's not. It's like we just hate each other. So you're gonna throw me in every time I'm going to throw you any time. Let's not make it more complicated than it is. It's simple we don't like each other and I think they're upset that they're both. They're both trying to look like a pirate and to keep trying to one up. And they're like, I'm no no, I want to look more like a pirate because no no I want to yeah. Yeah, it was so pissed when Polly came out with that make up looking like that hat pirate cause like this is my thing. I'm not head but you now. 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So yeah, so thank you guys so much for the support and thank you for letting us do what we love bonbons. I don't know. What is that an old reference? That's a great school with Cocoa Puffs. That's probably more realistic more Cookie Crisp. That's a 90s reference that like all the people watching right now. I'm gonna stop you right there. Right? Let's get back into the episode. We're going to jump into double elimination. Okay, so we start off to preface obviously Kyle. And Maddie get thrown in because turbo breaks this tide, but I don't know if he knows that he broke the tie but he said a name and Kyle and Maddie are in the middle of this pit and we realized that the double elimination which is amazing, but we don't know how the Voting is going to go. We don't know what the storyline is, but rind the double elimination. So it's a spiral effect Kyle and Maddie then get to pick who they want to go against and then whoever they pick gets to vote another team to go in. So there's going to be three teams in The Killing Floor. And it's amazing. So Kyle goes on his little speech and why he's not picking Cara and they decide to pick Natalie and JP, right? It's Natalie feels personally attacked because obviously she is like the size of a finger compared to Maddie who's like the size of a thigh if we're going ratios, what a weird metaphor. That was okay. Yes, that is like a quarter of the size of Maddie. So she's all butt hurt like inner feelings and JP gets down there and adorable as he is in his broken ass English. He decides that he's gonna wake the Beast and he calls out CT and you can see the steam come out of CTV years and I love this because I'm like as much as I don't want to see CT and elimination but not it was kind of right earlier in the episode where she said CT has just been able to skate through the pass. Through challenges because either no one wants to go up against him because they're scared or they have too much respect for him. So he just gets overlooked and he just escapes his way to and final so I'm like, I want to see CT back in Action. Let's go and I love that. It's getting fired up to an emotional and I wanted to go down in The Killing Floor and do his thing. What are your thoughts? I I was a little upset with CT being such a baby about getting picked. I feel like that's par for the course. You have to just suck it up. It is an honor. You are the champ these people do want to come. In and make their reputations on beating a champ For Better or For Worse. It is what it is. So I wish CT wasn't so pissed and affronted that he was picked with Natalie to it's like well don't feel bullied. What if it was right on your partner shoulder, like when people get called out like you guys here there's always going to be advantages and disadvantages suck it up. I did agree that with West during the elimination that CT was at a drastic disadvantage because he was battling two people two people were battling see, why was he battling to people? No because you already lost Once and I was already lost one arm started off though having to deal with if I talk to people they wanted dealing with each other though. They were really dealing they were both going for CT. They all had equal to start. I kind of get what you're saying because I thought CT was like Dad out. There may be that he's this massive figure like he was like a boulder a comparison to I mean guys, there's no but there's no conspiracy that those two talked ahead of time and tried to team up against he Tomatoes there. They don't know right? I'm just saying, but we don't know that for sure. Sure, but my whole thing was JP's probably 20 to see T's 42 at some point age has to play a factor here. And as far as Natalie goes ladies, you're gonna hate this but she had an awful season on the show. We didn't we that's my point. I forgot she was on the challenge really showed her for 2 seconds tonight. And then as soon as they show her she's eliminated no screen time at all. No, mama awful awful Tavon said in a YouTube video that Natalie and cam actually got into it and had a good battle in the mud pit Challenge and then Natalie actually held her. And cam is it up? They were fighting over a ball. So I don't know why homegirls not going to go to edit. Like she's just not existing but that being said it did seem like maybe her mind wasn't there like she's been getting very emotional and and heated when she lost her storyline to to keep it sort of flowing. Each episode has to lead into building to the next. So right Natalie and cam had this thing that didn't pan out because she went home the point of showing those producers are really trying to find spots to put cam on this show. They're trying to dig out the love interest with Leo last week when you know, how can we don't know what happens if all three vote the same the tribunal if they all vote the same what happens we don't know yet, right. So then TJ throws that line up to cam like hey Kim you sure you don't want to change your vote like the producers. Just trying to get Cam to say stuff like get her like we need to start Golden Girls our new girl. We gotta get her to say stuff. I don't know you always think that the producers are favoring cam. I think they're favoring the storyline. I really want cam to be Next it girl while she might pull something out that that makes her relevant that they keep having to give her air time. Yeah, Ryan. I love Kim. This is a weird. Maybe I'm obsessed with Kyle. I don't know but yes, this is weird. I mean, I think I do love to hate him. That's what it's all about. Yeah cam. I trust like as much as from watching her on TV. I trust her judgment. I think she's great and cool. I like you know, she I like her and she seems to in real life really like Kyle. As a friend like she's like he's like using like via Twitter or like are using social media and I'm always like really so there you go. I wonder that just is a thing that makes me go. Hmm because I'm surprised I've heard played hearted some personalities match to hang out with I just think that he's really treats women very poorly. You know, there's a degree. It's not a good quality to have them. No, I don't agree with them and Chad. Yeah, let's get back into the 11th. You know because Kyle did win and he beat CT and JP out there and I would have liked to see more from JP this entire season. I thought that he would probably be a more of a competitor from I'm sorry. What's your name from them? That's my point. Who cares by JP @ JP. He will not be asked on this challenge again. No way in hell - George Why move like ask CT or volunteer CT to go in and JP on the next level, man. I was shocked I you guys kind of called from the beginning you thought that Kyle is going to win and I was like no way he'll see T is going to be Stu this again. I thought he was Dad out there and the other two boys were his sons he was so out. He was so much bigger than them his size compared to them. It just looked like he was wrestling his to like toddler boys. Yeah, but I have to say I feel like the two rings challenges got to be really hard on your body really hard on your shoulders and At his age. That's why I'm saying we don't my shoulders. Are we getting sore man and think about like you're tugging and the way that he was with the other two guys. The other two guys like Dan said are facing him and kind of pulling the Rings outside of him. But CT is pulling the Rings towards his body. So he's working his shoulders shoulders are getting yanked out of the sockets and it has to do a lot with grip and balance and I felt like he had the disadvantage with did you guys kind of solutely toy? During the 20 rings out of his hands and pulling his arms out the way that they were and Maddie like the way you see T came in like Maddie where where I think it was West but said she looked like a wolf just Towing tank, you know, she's ready. We are to pray because those two and Maddie's the CT Maddie's big and those two girls were both tiny. So there was nothing really that could do with CT had to contend with, you know, Kyle being wildly around him. And yeah, he's big is not nothing. He's no he's not Big dealing with both of them and both of them coming at him. I think if he had two little guys, he would have been fine, but he had a big guy and I think you're given c t so much credit here. I mean, they all had an equal opportunity to go and unless there is this conspiracy where Kyle and JP has tried to work against CT they all had equal opportunity to win and see I'm sorry. We don't know how long that elimination lasted. We did thinks. He just got really tired. I just think the way the setup was and the body positioning Kyle have more of an opportunity to be 50 right and kind of like wiggle his way out but CT had the weight of two guys exact pulling him backwards that make sense. Like the two guys were pulling in one way and he was kind of the one man being pulled. Yeah rection. Yeah. We're JP and Kyle were able to put that on CT to find a different position that might work better. But again back to his size. He said he was going to come back next season, but he needed but I think Kyle had the best. And that's why he was able to kill this challenge because he wants to get back at Poly and as we know nothing is better than revenge and you're never going to compete better than when you have a chip on your shoulder and he is my serious submit worth motivation. Yeah, this is real that he's back great great great TV. Can we talk about the fact that we went into this elimination with it being an individual competition teams, which was amazing ass what's even better is that the two people the two individuals that were a team ended up winning it? Yeah, well, I would have maybe like to see a mismatch but everybody Kyle and Maddie learned their position fair and square and it was great to watch and I'm kind of shocked that the girls put up as good of a fight as they did against Maddie. We have to go back on our word because first episode we were like that is a partier. We don't know what party down south is about she's a beaut. Well, she's an animal she is but she's also very physically athletic at Sea. Yeah. It's we didn't know then how can we know we haven't seen her in any competition then we'll see how she does on. Those and we'll have to see how she doesn't like long-distance running. I mean that's gonna be huge. Yeah exactly. This was a size Matters. Yeah competition. But also this is just on a profound statement of this particular season bore the world. I think really is ushering in a new era of the challenge and really is when a CT of bananas Ashley when those people have a first three to go home and it's okay like meaning it's still a good to be a fun - oh, that's what's weirding me out is I'm not even bothered to any Them or not. I'm still like I'm even more and I'm so this season has been so good so far. I'm excited. But I agree and it is weird because usually I hate the new kids. I think they did such a great job introducing us to them partnering them with people we can see all the rivalries and seeing how those played out and it does make us invested in these new room. Who are we're slowly getting to know like I still can't tell Gus and bear are they the same person apart? I still can't I can't One with his lip hanging off because he goes is the one who is trying to outdo Jimmy Neutron with the velocity of us. I don't know. There's a few people still haven't gotten the ivory-billed. Thank you so much more emotionally invested. It's kind of like Game of Thrones which is a show I don't watch but I know that Game of Thrones does not care to protect any character, they will kill off anybody and the fans still love it and they watch every time because you never know what's going to happen in that. I feel like that's where we're at with the challenge right now. I'm great and you get invested in your heart broken like I'm pip. I'm so upset that CT is gone. But at the same time I'm like, well he's gone, right he didn't perform that well tonight. So let's see what else is gonna happen on this crazy season. It's so good already agreed. I love it. I love I love what they're doing with it. They are it's they're keeping us on our toes. They're making it interesting. It's really good even without. Yeah. Um, so shall we then move on to the daily challenge of the day Fallout challenges. Did you guys think challenge was great. It was it was awesome to watch. I like well I got it was really hard. You know, it's hard when you're jumping into something. You saw a lot of people rebound off and fall off right away. A lot of people are just Gus. I know I almost everybody I mean literally 10 teeth just couldn't just didn't do it. Yeah do it here's here's here was turning here's a turning point. So they they thought originally all the cast members clearly thought that it was gonna be a lot harder to move that pendulum thing up top. So they have the guy up there and they had the girl jumping and then here's I mean, we all hate Zach but Zach and CT they switched it up and they had Zach doing the jumping and then they were like, oh if see heat it can move that thing that says she's hoping woman, but she is I'm just saying she was able to do that quite easily weak woman. She could just be a weekend ahead. I'm so sorry. Then if you notice after that, they placed many more of the the I guess I want to say maybe the bigger people with more upper-body strength guy or girl and the in the jumping position. And then that's how about you Dan you're fine. I will say I'm never fully going to like Zack but him and Zahida. They're a great team the way that they communicate and work together and I think that they did very well and they were super nice to each other the whole time. Like I said, I hate heights, but it's for the best for the team and I know that she's new to the challenge. So I'm going to do the jumping. Yeah, I work for Them and it was great. I hate Zack and new again tonight because I am on team Cara with her being like what the hell this is what exactly all to Kyle and sitting there talking smack about her to him and and again base back to his base sexism that I thought maybe he evolved out of now that he's in a real relationship. He's like used to be doing this sweet girl meeting this blond girl not that to do Polly's ex-girlfriend. Yeah. Thank you. Can't win from this sweet girl who's like Jenna asked girl and now he's dating Jack Sparrow. It's like, oh sorry. You're not a pretty little blond Zach. I thought that was pretty Craig's act standard for women about everybody should some Serbian pretty little blonde girl. What a now you want to know what it is. Not right that kind of that. Zach said that but that's not how it all started though. Apparently Cara said that Kyle was just rooting for she told Nana she cheese so she started this whole thing. But as far as I'm as I know Kyle's friends with Zach and Bam Anna so if you had he was maybe he was just cut in the middle. No kind of so much stuff lying but that's how it started the car did start that whole episode but I want to talk kind of strategy and athleticism of this kind of this challenge today. So it seems like probably you're saying upper body to swing the pendulum now, I'm thinking lower body too because we see disqualify mean upper body for the jumping. Okay, Nonnie got into a deep squat. I saw her rocking that back and forth. I would think a good strategy after. Jumping onto the second beam, which I think a lot of people did you kind of have to if you can in the air walk your way around to the opposite side of the beam to then right touch the Bell which I saw Georgia do and Georgia and Hunter doing so well in this game. Yeah, that seems like the heart. I mean, yeah, if you can do that, that's great. That seems like the hardest part Beyond latching on to that beam. I agree that I don't think you needed the bigger guys or even lower or whatever. It's just getting momentum going and then it takes itself. So, you know, I was surprised that That Theo was so hesitant. But if you're scared of heights, you're scared of heights. Yeah, you finally got off the platform. But when they do that red herring in the confessional where he's like and I'm not doing this. I'm like, yeah. Sure. Yeah, but I did take a minute to get off Shang Lee and Leroy, my note was literally just yeah. Yeah. She saw that coming from a mile away. I don't know what she'd lean is bringing to this competition. And then yeah, don't you feel like Leroy always gets a bad partner. Yeah. I'd like to see Leroy with with a better partner. Yeah, Polly and Natalie. They're going to be a force to be reckoned with they murdered it paulien and jump right off the bat they went first and they probably didn't like five seconds. Yep, incredible. So they got in the tribunal as we saw a hunter and Georgia and the tribunal what's your gate? And not on the in Turbo? I feel like this competition is too easy for Turbo. Turbo doesn't have anything. He doesn't think he just goes for it. And that's going to be huge for him. If he has no fear. He's like, yeah, I'll just Up to take 100 got it jingle all the way with Arnold Schwarzenegger. Is it turbo the Terminator between the way he speaks his language and him just being basically a super hero. He is there turbinator. Hmm. So you mean didn't set up to go away. Can you say Terminator Terminator 2 The Terminator? He's Turbo Man in jingle all the way. Oh what he's trying to get the the present. He's trying to get. For his kid. Yes. He's the Terminator the turbinator because of herb you you're mixing movies, but it works I movies but it would be I met was jingle all the way and that is Turbo Man and that's basically doesn't even like Turbo from The Challenge. I think Hunters got a really good chance of winning the season. I think he's on like this like big Redemption run after what happened last year and he's also teamed up with Wes and his partner is D. Maybe. Wow. What Partners do? Yeah, so I just think the four of them are going to be great. Playing Coy well of DL from the gate and yellow and West he loves go see me, how how perfect is it that Wesson D came together because I love them both equally so it's fantastic. This is doing surprisingly bad though while he's doing that. Yeah. He messed up that one challenge. I mean, he's still had a huge hill he had a huge thing last week is he? Yeah, he was able to get rid of bananas last week that was huge. That was that was he had a bad week. He had a great week last year bad first week to just miss that atha. Kyle just missed. It cam just missed it. A lot of good people just missed it all tonight. Imagine if Kyle got it. We wouldn't have got that amazing story line from their solution. Do you guys want to talk costume party for a minute before news and gossip? Sure. Well when we can get yeah and ponytail. Yeah, but your thoughts on the Kyle and Paul I'll say this the head-butting is the new loophole for not being kicked out of the challenge for fighting. They're gonna put an end of this head-butting eventually people are doing it. They die. What's-her-face did it last season? So beyond make you and now they're boys are doing it this season. It's not head. If they keep their hands to themselves and he's like damn like Ram stick their heads again. So dance conspiracy Court of the producers are talking right now if I'm gonna commit the changes, I can't head but nothing but still, there you go. Thanks so much eventually. It's a great. Yes. So far the fight without the fist being thrown. Yeah. Somebody favorite thing is just how like how seriously they could take themselves in full hair and makeup full outfits. Like Kyle was harnessing as a pony tails in her Britney Spears. But was he behaving like a Spice Girl? I thought he's going for Spice Girl with the pigtails. It's Bizarro the level of obsession him and Polly have with each other each other and with Cara and cars. Like I feel like she's secretly loves it. Like she's in there like no don't fade about me or she dies always in the tribunal he won he's safe and he's like, uh, uh, I'm gonna go out there and How much she's not in love with him, right? Yeah, it's like Polly just don't like that again. I'm of it bring it bring it all day long, but it's like you guys come just like save it for the you know competition. You're not really going to fight. So stop pull is the right Steve really is. Do you have a favorite costume that I figure costume from tonight? I mean, I hate Amanda, but she looked nice in a little cat outfit. I thought she looked pretty I don't let her personality is not pretty but you can look you can a girl can look nice and then if they're mean you don't like them the same way but it's awfully quiet but I have a huge guy like George it's yelling George. I just think sure to our ball. Yeah, she's cute. She is she's cute and sexy and she's saying she is cool calm and collected like when they Amanda was not quiet tonight during the tribunal which I loved all the fights that was crazy, but she was like bro. Yo. Bro, yo, she did her like yo, bro. I'm friends with the millionaire. Yeah, which is like congratulations like that and a bag of chips get you what Amanda? Well, then Josh was like he's telling Hunter he's so fake that was ridiculous tongue seems too big for his mouth and I was a large-mouth. He's a very large mouth. In the tribunal and make them seem like Hunter and Georgia are going to regret it when this is what their second trip. No their first tribunal but they've had the Relic they've won an elimination. They're obviously a force to be reckoned with Josh and Amanda. Who literally what have you done? Yeah, it's Amanda and Josh was a loser that got brought back in. So what right thank you Josh. You were gone like five you shouldn't even be wearing them yet. They still. Scared patient and yet hamster and George are the idiots. Yeah. I don't get that Georgia back to be like her. I also think she's cute and sexy and I also like that. She's like it's not because because Hunter who I love I could do without the chance. It's like at me at me whenever he starts yelling like he starts gets chanti. I love on her shoulder like you something he starts chanting and Georgia was like look, you know, it's not personal it mean it is personal you put us in what? For you, it doesn't mean you know you the last season she said we're voting for you suck it up which I got a hunch. It does get very chanti. She keeps them cool too. I think she's chill. He pulled a very cliche veteran move like welcome to the challenge. Welcome to the challenge. It's like do we have to go through this again? Like Pauly said Kyle needed to earn his stripes and I wasn't Kyle on the The Challenge before Paulie was ever on the challenge. I think anybody else is Gonna Hurt Stripes. Like I don't know all these cliches are coming back. Hey, everyone should get a gold star. Okay, you said it you hit the talking point? Yes, but um, I did have a very favorite costume very subtle that feel powder. Yeah. I love Harry Potter huge currently and ordered the Phoenix. I'm sorry reading anyway, so I tracked loved it. Okay. I mean, I love to put the punch. Come on PO not getting an a for effort. I mean, it's like, oh probably Harry Potter thought it was cute. You girls just love videos that whole. Love thing. Oh so much when we get out of here get me talk about Theo and yeah, the O's I don't think we've ever done that you can see the wind trying to make it seem like thirsty chicks. I would never dress like Harry Potter. I like the ow, I do like the other bear when they put that that work is actually all nicely done than I just Making out and snap like that natural dyes and natural that those two were there was no mention of that prior to tonight was known as bears polar bear said how much he found her attractive and then maybe they just didn't want to show it on camera doesn't have enough time. Yeah, he did mention how many times he thought she was so cute. Yeah, and she was like, oh I let him flirt with me. I'm trying to pull up the news and gossip. Okay, good mood. Okay. This is a shout-out to Landon's ass hoody on me to make sure I watch Ouch, Dave ons YouTube video where she spilled a whole bunch of stuff about episode 3 and as I'm sure all of you fans know this has been going around so much. It's very controversial. So there was a taping incident where last episode on the same night that Zach was being upset about accidentally throwing bananas into or absolutely throwing the ball to West and screwing over bananas. Apparently men. It was going around yelling at the house talk. Yes, you does Pete keeping people up till 6 a.m. Not letting anybody sleep being Amanda. So Johnny as what started as a joke and what Davon has said she believes did not have a malicious intent. It wasn't meant to be bullying in the beginning turned out to be something that kind of crossed the line. So Johnny Theo and Kyle Take tape and they try to shut Amanda's tape over Amanda's mouth is like a shut up as a joke retaliation, but they end up taping her whole face. And to quote Devon she says mummified Amanda's face. So tape her entire face and Amanda starts ripping the tape off and her hair is being pulled out by the end of it. Dave ons having to help Amanda take this tape off and like clumps of her hair coming out Amanda was screaming and crying pleading that they stop saying please this hurts. So it seems like it was taken a touch too far and this already happened on the season. It was that was from two weeks ago. Then this was episode 3 last week and and the Cheers just chose not to show that hasn't been aired since yesterday. I think interesting producers of entities in it hasn't been aired but they've on went and she aired it all out for us in the morning. It happened again. She says it kind of started as a joke never meant to be bullying but it was taken to a limit where sure hands are facing in general. I don't take this an aggressive that's aggressive that's aggressive. I don't like it. This is yeah that seems to me again. I don't know because they didn't show it. So who knows and watch Dave? Vaughn's thing but that seems to me the kind of thing that even worse than two dudes put in their bull heads up to each other if they were really wrapping tape around her face. I don't think that that I'm like what take time to think about that's there that you can put a tape that I feel like there are people watching them. There are cameras are some squared. Where do they get where do you get taped by the way around her head and mummify her or did they just and I don't know. I don't know. I didn't think so. I mean none of us were there but this is what Dave on is saying and I trust her and I believe I don't think she's just going to throw something as controversial out there throughout I have to watch her video. She said she hates like tape that pulled her hair out because she doesn't have like obviously she doesn't have footage of it. She's just saying she's just like a talking head telling us what what happened, right? That's what they wanted. Like. I mean, where did they get the tape though? Seriously producers slide it to like what kind of tape was it was it masking tape was a notch tape. I mean if it's true, yeah, either way it seems like we're I don't know exactly where their butt. It's almost like a victim shaming thing. Like it kind of reminds me of the Footwear. Is that footage? Like if an athlete is said to know what kind of education people like but where's the video of it though? This is not private there on a reality TV show. There's footage of everything when they chose to put their area reason why it wasn't are like maybe they thought it went a touch over hmm considering the whole bullying and the girls throwing your suitcase over that maybe they don't want to touch that Amanda's. I would need to know also, it's hard to make a judgment call knowing literally nothing's need to know without seeing it. I haven't even seen day bombs description. So as hearing a description of a description, I feel like God Amanda probably, you know, and it started off in good fun. It maybe went too far not something, you know, maybe not to you, but if they could have yeah tone not cool anything else, but even Polly was on the background of a Cara Maria's live Instagram. Well, we're going to get to them in a second and he said that it As disturbing so I am that Polly would so the other news and then again, he I'm sure is this Avenues and Gosford more. I feel like Polly and Cara are just the Saga where every day it's tabloid e-news with them and I'm so I'm over them every couple. I'm so over them as a couple of this point, but they have moved in together and they're living in Montana together and it's just like I know it's her life and I know of cars listening she's going to be very defensive and saying like I have no reason to butt into her life. It's her decision, which I know it's your decision. I just don't get your decision. Like I know she's very forgiving and I'm in for Second Chances, but the manner in which he dragged you in cheated on you was like yeah, you know, you know, like pet owners and their pets start looking like the same person. I feel like they're starting to both looked like the same person. All right, is that they keep saying it's our life. It's nobody's business and nobody knows what we've been through together. But all you're doing is going on every social media platform and trying to play. Our case all you're doing is trying to vouch for the fact that you're still together and why you forgave him and got back to him. So if it's nobody's business, let it be no, he's busy they don't love each other and enjoy each other and be private real quick. You're gonna let me just ask for forgiveness for everybody by telling you my story behind her. I'm not saying O P private be private. Again, I'm I'm like, they're taking their you gotta do guys. You never know. What hey, it's the same way. I feel about Jenna and Zach. Sorry, I think great if they're happy. God bless them if I would say, I think Jenna should run for the hills. I think car and Polly I get to be who knows but if they're happy God bless them real quick here. They're taking they're taking this whole thing to the bank though. And when was she on that clone TV show that she's going to be appearing on where are they? Together or separate and guess who they got to be on the show the Galaxy S6 Pirates to be on their board. They will go over there to break or not during that cloning process the whole answer to that because I wanna break that was prior to the taping of this season, but after that first season when they were in an open relationship and whatever who cares we have 30 seconds left, we're not going to spell card and Polly. Anyway, thank you everybody so much for tuning joining in tuning in joining us all the same. Mmmmm here at AfterBuzz TV episode winter. 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Yeah, if you're if you're not Japanese, it may not be the best news. That's right. I did get a lot of new so for this week's episode. We just wanted to focus all all the news tidbits we've gotten in this past week. So first let's just talk about the big one. I guess for everyone here in the states especially was adding the heroes in to smash all the heat. Yeah, man, and I don't even play Smash Brothers and you don't either right? Right? No, I don't and I was still super excited for this stream. This is the only stream of smash that they've done where I've watched every bit of it that I sat and watched from the beginning to the end because I was so excited to just see what the hero was doing. And so I have a question for you because you won't back you watch more of that than I did. But I've kind of like red things up on ya. So so what's the deal with the RNG with the heroes that people either are loving or not loving from what I understand? What happens is that you're down smash where you you hold down and press B. It gives you a menu like in battle and it will have a random randomly. You did list of abilities on there and it can be anything from flak which is the biggest RNG where it will automatically kill your opponent with a high fail rate to having I can't even remember any of the others off the top of my head but where you can cast frizz or cast other spells that are on Dragon Quest buff. Yeah and cast some of the Dragon Quest spells. So there you don't know what you're getting every single time you use use that but you can constantly redo it to get the one that you want. People are hurt about flak being an automatic kill, but you don't know when it's going to do that as well. As you don't know when that character is going to actually have flak as a as an option. So people are talking about trying to not let the heroes in tournaments because of the one-hit kills, which I think is ridiculous. Yeah, because it's not guaranteed right? I saw I saw that online this past. There is a petition and it was like they're trying to get like 500 signatures and they almost had it already and it's just like I don't know that's crazy to me. I think it's silly and I don't think anything like that's gonna happen. Oh, yeah, but it's because I know I know a lot of the tournaments and things like that really do care about fairness and if it had been an automatic kill, yeah, absolutely. I think that should not be tournament legal if you can just walk in and random get that ability and automatically kill your Moment but when you have it at random to get it and at random to actually work you're running on double a double negative there where you're unlikely to have it work when you want it to so, I don't think I don't think that it's a big deal. I mean, I don't play it. Obviously. I mean it's not something I'm really involved in but I'm I don't see anything wrong with it. Honestly. It's not any sillier than anything else and smash and you said you're thinking about Buying the game or at least the DLC for it. Yes, I am. So what I want to do is I'm thinking about game Flying Smash Brothers used one of the free use one of the free trials to get the smash game and then by the the DLC for just the DQ stuff because they sell the hero at 599 and then you can buy the like me fighter costumes where you get Veronica and Jade and the Dragon Quest one here are the Dragon Warrior you get that for I think 99 cents each. So for about 10 bucks, you can get the DQ stuff and play around with it on like a month free thing. That's all I would care about really anyway. So what I'm thinking about doing is if I can get it in before I come visit you next weekend. So I've got about two weeks now, I would love to do that get that stuff and then you and me play Smash together while we're in person. Or I could go to GameStop get a used copy of it. And then there's a seven day return window for used games there so I could see myself doing that while I'm down there for you and me to play together and give that a shot but I don't want to pay the $60 for smash. I know that I'm not going to get $60 worth of value out of it, but I want to play it and I don't know another way to really do that other than you know, rent it or or take take Advantage of return policies, you know, why you were speaking about this. I just realized I can probably I think we have the switch version at work and I can probably borrow it for a few days while you're down and then you would just have to pay for the DLC stuff. I will absolutely be the one to pay for the Hero DLC stuff. If you can grab the game like that that way we can we can totally do that and post videos of it on Twitter and things like that like do that on the patreon. And you will murder me. I'm terrible at smash. I play dude. I'm you've played so much more smash than I have like this is going to be fun. That's why I want to do it is because I know that neither of us is good at smash. See I really haven't I played my wife and I played the N64 smash. I don't even know what that one was called. I think that was just Super Smash Brothers. It just Super Smash Brothers. I just replaying that on the N64 at her house when we were dating. And so I got decent at that one. I have barely played the Wii U version and have barely barely played the switch one and I haven't ever played any of the others and I'm really bad at it. I mean, I always lose my strategy usually is to get somebody like like it was a pit that can fly around. Uh-huh, and I just kind of fly around and try to let everybody else destroy each other. And then just like kind of shootout arrows randomly at people that's kind of like my strategy and it's not a good strategy and I pretty much always come in last place and I have it have it taken the effort to get good at Smash and I just don't really like fighting games is another thing. So I'm pretty confident you will you will beat me at this. I don't know. We'll see that's why I want to do it. I know we would have fun. It's just going to be ridiculous. It's gonna be just these two idiots. Idiots bashing each other and it's going to be so much fun. Yeah, maybe so maybe so I don't know the stuff that I was most excited about I think from this past week was we did get quite a bit of news related to Dragon Quest 11s, that's coming. This was on a stream, right? This was a Japanese stream. They run on on the weekend. Yeah. It was their big they did like a like a Dragon Quest you there. They'll August 3rd, and it was a big event to celebrate Dragon Quest 10 for me. Earlier in the episode 4. I was talking about you know stuff. That's not so good. If you live over here a lot of the DQ stent stuff. It looks so amazing and makes you want to play it so bad and and I'm just like anyway, so mostly most of the stream for me was just like how I just pouring like salt in my eyeballs. Um, we're it was you know, it looks cool but so much of it is, you know, only in Japan or only in Asia, whatever but the the Dragon Quest 11 s stuff did look good and assume it's International that we're getting a demo for driving past 11 s they didn't give a release date for it yet. I don't know if you saw that or anywhere or not, but we are getting a date. We're getting a demo. I was just like, you know, I've beat the game ever played the crap out of that game of a PS4. So at first I was like maybe I won't get the demo I plan on playing the full game, but you know, how about I do the demo, but they did. Say that the the save file transfers over Russia's get so now definitely play the demo, but you also annexed I guess in exchange for trying out the demo you get a skill seed. Yes, when you transfer the data over to use end game which you know skill seeds are always really nice to have in these games and then you also get this is like a translation of it, but it's basically the one descended from erdrich. Yeah. It's a premium here. Hero card for Dragon Quest Rivals which right now is still you know in Japanese and who knows if we'll get it over here, but I do know a lot of people who play it even though it's in Japanese. Yeah. I mean I see people do it because you can get it with a Japanese Apple account or iOS account. However, whatever you use I think to get it because I know I know sack Chief plays it and I've seen other people do it. I just don't know how to it might be on switch. We're using a Japanese a Nintendo account to yes. That's what they did. I know that's what's that keep does. I've seen him talk about it and we're switch friends. So I slept seem that he has it on this one. Okay, I got you. I've never seen him pop on playing that one. So you have seen other things. It's really nice with the switch. I know this is kind of a tangent, but I feel like I have because you can sync it to like your Twitter friends. I have way more switch friends and like PS4 friends and some just my it's constantly popping up other people playing and always makes me happy when I see that they're playing something. And Dragon Quest related it does and I see people want play Smash in the same thing. I'm like, oh I bet you're playing the hero. Yeah, and I guess since the event was mostly focused on Dragon Quest 10, a lot of the announcements that came are some of the announcements that came with the Dragon Quest 11s came from that and so yeah, they confirmed that that is World dungeon, you will get like a I guess a town and a dungeon from Dragon Quest 10. One of the past worlds that's all she visit in the end game. So that'll be pretty cool. They had, you know teased big news for Eric for like a month and everybody was like, oh my gosh, it's going to be the new Dragon Quest Monsters game, which I know you and I talked about in one of the earlier episodes of this show. Yeah, and I'm crazy excited for that one to get an ounce. So that was one of the ones I wanted to get get announced it this one because I was excited to see when it was going to be released and hopefully localized. yeah, and I mean I remember, you know, seeing the concept art of like Eric and his sister as kids like last November and they were like Hey, we're doing a monsters game for consoles that you know has Eric and his sister is a protagonist and I was like November of last year and then since then it's like nothing we have I got anything from it and which kind of goes into the next announcement here is that you and I along with a lot of people assumed this was going to be Yeah, the announcement for that Monsters game turns out slightly disappointed here turns out he gets a new outfit translate over into the north leather style. And this one is going to be in just the switch version. Right? The new outfit doesn't come out for any of the previous releases. That's a great question. I don't actually know because the outfits from this manga that's being done by I don't know if I'm going to say his name right? But it's Hiro. Mashima. Yeah, and I think he does the fairy tale. Yeah. Yeah that but this outfit looks like fairytale it does. Yeah, and so I guess that it's coming out on August 21st in a magazine. Okay, and so it's totally just from everything I've read. It's just kind of like a one-off like there's just going to be this one off manga that's in this magazine. It's starring Eric. He has this armor or outfit I guess is more appropriate he has this outfit and Then you can get that outfit for Dragon Quest 11 and I don't know if it's it may be for older versions as well because you get it through you redeem a code, right? It said that the code is going to come with a book from everything. I've researched online. No one seems to have like a clear answer for what the book is because they haven't announced the book yet. I assume it's going to be like a special edition maybe even like a hardcover edition of the manga since it's premiering on August 21st and a magazine I assume. That it's like maybe like a print Standalone Edition or special edition or something that's got to come out and it has a code inside of it. Yeah. I mean that's just kind of my guess. I have no clue. I don't know and I haven't seen anything other than like there was a piece of art drawn that he used to tease it a while back. I've seen that one and apparently it's going to be like Eric before the luminary stuff like before it's a prequel something. And but I don't know much about it. Other than that, like what all's going on with the story or or whatever else. Like I don't know when it's coming out. Actually, I do know when it's coming out. I see it right now says August 21st. I was looking it up just as we said that and I literally said that three times in our conversation this now you're talking to a brick wall. I may have been cooking for three times. I've told I told you this all this and just said and everybody. Now has a view of our entire friendship. It's true. It's just me talking to a brick wall. And then after that's I'm done with the conversation pretty koalas. Like I'm sorry. What were you saying? Yeah. So based on the fact that it's called North leather style. And I know that's kind of just like the translation from quite people got from the Japanese announcement. Assuming it's because some just a minor Dragon Quest 11 Are here is because of where Eric's from that it's light has to do with an outfit of his time with the Vikings and stuff because that's in the north and it's all snowy and stuff. So I'm assuming yeah, that's where that comes from. Then they also confirmed 411's that there's going to be a harder version of the direct Conan Quest where all the party have shy pox which tripods if you remember and 11 like makes your party get embarrassed at random times. I hate that. Mechanic in every single RPG I've ever played. I don't like it either. Oh, I hate it. Like that. One is the most frustrating of any I would rather not wear armor not be able to wear defensive items then have shy pox that it's my least favorite part of Final Fantasy 9. It's every single time that a game makes it where my characters just don't respond at random that I get so frustrated, I'll end up stop playing the game for A little bit like put it down and come back like the next day because I'm just like I can't deal with this. It's too frustrating. Yeah, I don't like it either and I guess with this one you like everybody just has not even just a randomly get Afflicted with it. It's just a flat-out have it right where it's not curable or or yeah. I just can't know just that's just a hard. No. Yeah that kind of rounds it up for the Dragon Quest 11s announcements that we got, but we still had other Dragon Quest. He's this past week before you get into that. It's time for that fun little segment that we like to call Shameless self-promotion Shameless Bernadette attempted here. I changed it again. People are not people are never going to recognize the theme song unless you can settle on when like weird like tune. Oh well, so by the time this episode is live. Hopefully our patreon patrons will have there. Are stickers that we mailed out for everybody that was eligible for the stickers we meld those out and we do have a patreon so really quickly while we're still in the Shameless self-promotion segment. I'm going to let BJ tell you guys about our patreon, but first I just have to say this like story really quickly for patreon. So I was smelling the stuff out a few days ago, right and I had to buy stamps and so our patrons will knit might notice that the Ups that they receive our gigantic like this is gonna make me sound like an old man but back in my day stands for like the size of like your thumbnail you like slap them on like the upper right hand corner and you like melt them out. It was like no big deal, you know. Yeah, they're also like 30 cents or something like let's cheaper. But anyway, these stamps are like huge but I had to buy them. So I went up and I was like to the lady at the post office and like hey, can I get a sheet of stamps? And she was like, do you have a specific design you want and I was like no. No, and she was like well, we just got a bunch of new ones in do you want any of these and point it to like a display that had all the new ones and I was like, no any of them are fine. I just need stamps and she pulls up the sheet has the giant dogs dog stamps on it. Okay, and she's like, she's like, how do these work and I was like, yeah, that's good. And she was like, yeah, we just got these in fresh yesterday. They have all these service animals on them. And I was like, okay cool. And she's like sitting there holding them for a minute. She's like, so do you want them and like yeah, those are fine. I mean, they don't cost extra do they and then she looks at me like I'm a moron and it's like they're just stamps. Like I'm like you just talk to me like the stamps saved your grandfather in Wartime and now you're like condescending to me like they're just stamps. They're just staying anyway, so to all of of our patreon patrons know that there is a semi interesting story behind the stamps. They're huge. They take up like half the size of the envelope like, oh my God over in that right-hand corner, you know, they're like gigantic stamps. But anyway, that's my story. Why don't you tell all the nice folks listen to us about patreon. So if you go to patreon.com slash Dragon Quest FM, you can get your own giant dog stamp for being a patron at $3 or higher and it will Also come with a drag Quest FM sticker. You can pledge higher than that and you can get a custom Discord role. You can even tell us what you want to hear about on the show and get to choose an episode topic. You can do that at patreon.com slash Dragon Quest FM. All right, and then next part of our Shameless self-promotion segment is we do have an upcoming Q&A episode that we want to announce right now speaking of the patreons kind of brought this up because as one of the like early things our patrons have access to as they got to go ahead and ask us questions early for us to ponder before this episode comes out. So if you have any questions for us that you'd like us to try to talk about on the show, you can send those questions to you can email to social at Dragon Quest dot f m you can also leave us voice messages with your questions on a tanker dot f m / Dragon Quest / messages and then you can also just ask us on Twitter will be making a Twitter announcement around the time. This episode goes live probably so you can ask us on there as well and we're going to try to answer as many questions as possible during that special Q&A episode. And also if you guys want to submit questions, it doesn't have to just be about Dragon Quest if you have a question for us about anything will answer whatever you ask. All right, and then the next Some of the other news that we got this past week Dragon Quest your story came out again. Only in Japan will cry our tears later. But I drank West your story came out last Friday. So I noticed on your notes here. You said there's a spoiler discussion on the Dragon Quest and this court. Yeah, there is a link in the notes to the Dragon Quest in Discord where a lot of the Dragon Quest Community is now meeting there's a yours. Worry Channel, and there's a lot of spoilery discussions from people who have seen it and there's actually a lot of discussion about how things are going to get translated and get subtitles for Americans. Well, I'd say Americans but English speakers and so it's very contentious right now. People are not terribly happy about this movie. It doesn't bother me. But when I told you this morning, how did you feel about it? Yeah, so it's really contentious about this ending and I I don't think it's that bad because of the way that they're approaching the movie like when I told you this morning like I'm I didn't care about spoilers. So I went into the discussions and looked it up. So what do you think about it? So my whole thing I know I said this on Twitter previously about this too. So because I'm not on Discord so you just asked you what the ending was because I've seen people talking about not liking the ending but hadn't actually found out what it was. So you were telling me what the ending. And I think even I think I even guessed it before you before you text me the answer. I was like, I'm generally not one of those people. We're like a bad ending ruins the whole thing for me, right? Like I can still enjoy the bike all the stuff that came before it even if it even if I don't like the ending Hannah it's so even if I if I end up watching this movie and I don't like that part of it. I think I could still enjoy all the stuff that came before it this related to Dragon Quest 5, so too. It's like it's not a big deal a scale of like 1 to 10. It's like maybe a to to me. I got I still want to see you as someone to watch it and I just that's not gonna ruin it for me. I don't think I'll watch it. I'm tempted to watch it in Japanese just to see I know you've mentioned that before that you wanted to watch it in Japanese. And as soon as I'm able to find a way to watch it in Japanese, I would love to watch the the an official version of it. Like I'll pay for it if I could get it just to be able to see it because I think it would be fun to watch so I don't mind the ending. I think a lot of people do obviously, but if you want to get involved in that discussion there are there everywhere on Twitter, and there's the link in the notes here to the Dragon Quest in Discord, and you can also come into the geek geek media Dragon Quest channel on our Discord at Discord not geek media.com and we'll be talking about stuff DQ related and that's just included then lastly. We just wanted to put a little spotlight. On Dragon's Den for a moment. You guys have heard us mention this before BJ. I think indeed from one of our very first episodes you mentioned Buddhists.com, right? Yeah. She's Dragons Den people who are listening to this. I'm fairly confident know what Dragons Den is already. But if you don't it's just fantastic fan site all about Dragon Quest. It's been around since 1997. Yeah. It's been a long time. So it's been around for like 22 years. So So which, you know may be older than some people who are listening. So it's been around a really long time and you and I well I don't want to speak for you, but I will say when I was first getting into Dragon Quest Dragons Den was one of the first places I found two kind of nerd out about Dragon Quest it was you told me about it because I didn't find it on my own but I lurk on the forums all the time and very rarely post anything and it's and so, you know, so they're just a great part of the community. And so we just wanted to kind of put the spotlight on them for a moment, but also be Jay and I yeah, we like playing games at a previous episode. We played that game where we tried to guess if it was, dr. Agenor BJ saying what and so Dragons Den and addition to like forums and all kinds of other stuff. They have some games on there. One of the ones that I thought would be fun to do is there's a personality quiz that you can take. It's a breed really short personality quiz. I'm just interested in seeing what you get you 10 is I I don't want to I'll tell you who I usually get I've taken it twice and I've gotten the same person both times. I haven't taken it in a long time. So I'll tell you about that in a minute, but I want to ask you these questions and then kind of discuss a little bit of the questions and then just see who you get. It's not really interested. I'll read it you give me your answer and I'll just put it in so so yeah. But um, so your gender what's your gender be? I'm male your well do you prefer ends casinos are bars. I prefer ends. Really? Yeah. I'm not a not much of a casino person. Not much of a bar person, uh in games and real life out of my hotel. Yeah. I mean, I think I'm the same way in real life. But you know, I do have fun at the casinos and Dragon Quest I explore the ends looking for free stuff and RPGs more than I do casinos. Yeah that that is true I guess so if you Across a wounded monster who asked for help. Would you leave it helped it or kill it? I'd help it help that. I mean to say that your bleeding heart you. I really am question 4 Dost thou love me? Yes, of course. I love everybody. Yeah and tell everyone. I love them. I love everyone listening to this right now. The people of the land pay enough taxes not enough taxes too many taxes too many taxes too many taxes. When fighting which do you prefer strong weapons strong magic or no preference strong magic? Yeah, and you you deal with that. I'm more of a weapon guy myself. I know you like the great sword. Yeah. I know you always like magic in these games. I do. Do you prefer caves Towers or castles Towers guess a yeah. That's that's the same for me. I always liked exploring the towers and Dragon Quest games. Yeah, and in Dragon Quest Builders to I am my next big project is a tower. I'm expanding on the castle. But the one I'm really looking forward to is building myself a wizard tower which goes back to the magic that it does second again. Do you like to fly? Yes. Yes, I do. Yes both in games and relax and real life. Yes, im a fan of the AirTrain live to fight another day. They sell eat I love food. Yeah, that's about right puff-puff sure that you gotta always say yes in these games. Yeah, you always say yes to a puff puff like some of the funniest scenes in these games come from say yes to puff puff. Yeah, and and there's an achievement. Well a trophy achievement whatever you want to call it in 11 to get puff puffed in every town isn't there. It's not an achievement for every town. There's not one in every town. It's just for every For meeting for meeting every puff puff girl. Okay. Okay, I get it. There's like I want to say there's like nine of them. There's not a whole lot anyway, so yeah, that's not too bad. Not many more questions almost the end here. The dragon lord is a big softie evil or cool evil dragon lord is evil. Oh see. I think he's kind of cool. I mean not like a cool like I want to hang out with him. But like I think he looks good. He does look cool. But I mean, he's evil what you're lucky he's Bad guy slimes make for a good practice pets or soldiers. Oh, I'm gonna go with pets because I like having slimes on my team more than I like killing them. But as we've discussed in the past, I do like killing Slimes like I always kill slimes but I like getting them in befriending them even more. Yeah and the same way pets is definitely my answer for that one girls shouldn't be allowed to go on adventures, true false or up to the girl. I'm to the girl do what you want. 8 we're now I'm not Jack telling you what to do good lost reference like 15 years later. That's that's what I do right there like three people listening and you understood what I was talking about urge recor load. Oh, ah, I'll urge Erick. Yep. Yeah. I mean, I'm a latecomer to DQ. So I didn't grow up necessarily thinking about Lodo a roto. So I'm gonna go with her drink a little gambling at a casino. Yeah. Maybe not for me. Yeah, I'll gamble a little bit at a casino. I don't spend the time that you and Grace do but I'll spend some time there. I'm not going to do a happy dance hit the jackpot, but I'm like, yeah. Alright cool. What's good for me? We'll see it's better doing it there that in real life because I took my wife we went to the Hollywood Hard Rock Hotel and Casino right in Hollywood, Florida just as like a fun day trip and we went there with money. We're like, okay, we're going to spend like this. Yeah, $50 a piece whatever it was and you know just have fun or whatever because that's something she really wanted to do and it's still eats away at me a little bit is she had really good luck and whine like a bunch of money, but then she lost it all because she kept wanting to play the slot machines just because they were fine. Oh, yeah, and I'm like, that's not how you gamble. You stop once you get money, but she's just like it's fun to play Slots. So but it's fine. You know, we said we were going there to just like spend the 50 bucks or whatever and have a good time. You know, it works but I much prefer the Dragon Quest kind of Casino where I don't really have to like, you know, spit out fifty a hundred bucks. Yeah. I understand that. So next question. Would you like to tell me of your quest so that I can record it in the Imperial Scrolls? Yes, you should because if you don't save your progress, then you're in a lot of trouble. That's true. Unless there's a quicksave. So to say no in some of the mobile games when I've just quick saved, but that's the about the only time otherwise I pretty much save constantly. Yeah, so two more questions to go you might want to find some companions to Aid thee sounds good. I'll think about it or I work alone. Sounds good. Sounds good. Yeah, you gotta have your Companions right? I do Daniel Boon companions o top last question. If you're having difficulty with someone you should talk it out ignore it as best. You can crush them. Let it resolved itself or make a big deal out of it. Oh see. This one's tough. This one's tough because in real life, I take all of these at some point except for crush them. I'm not a crush them kind of person because I I try to let it resolved itself at first like that's the first thing I do but most of the time it comes to a talk at out so I'm gonna have to say let it resolved itself because that is tends to be my first one. It's like this is where I'm going to go first and see you know, if I don't have to have a conflict here. Okay, that's surprising you expected me to talk it out or crush them. No. I thought you'd make a big deal out of it. I don't you see you. You just seem a little bit like that. You my I don't know I'm very dramatic, but I don't like confrontation. Yeah, maybe that's it. Maybe it's just your dramatic. So when it comes up if it comes ahead in the talking it out, like I'm going to get really flustered and angry and and and be real high maintenance about it like this morning my wife and I got into an argument when I had to take the dog to the vet. My medicine wasn't ready at the pharmacy and like I made a big deal out of it, but generally I try to let it resolved. Itself because I try to ignore I try to ignore it, but I want it to get done. So I work toward getting it done. So so before I click who I am. I right here. I just want to point out on the dragons dens site here that they put thanks to Dragon chaser for help with the original Graphics questions and outcomes for the personality quiz, so I want to make sure we say that part everybody gets their credit. So let's find out. Oh, hey, this is surprising you are Ragnar. That is not near what I expected a person of Honor see things through to the end of whatever strong and strong and Noble you see it as a responsibility to help those in need and protect the weak. Although mostly serious. You do enjoy life and her happy knowing that you're making the world a better place. It's not untrue. I can kind of see that. Yeah. It's a strong and Noble not so much but because I'm made out of spaghetti and And like a low but the rest of it see anything through to the end. Yeah, I bounced between too many things. So so so I usually in the past I have got nothing on that right but this time but try not to take to heart because Nevin is not my favorite. He looks really cool though. Like I really love his costume. Yeah. See, I think he looks really lame and he doesn't have much personality. But I mean I Them a lot as a magic is really strong. So I use them a lot in 6 but this time actually I got blurry yet, huh? So I'm not sure what you mean. It's been a long time since I've taken this so I guess you know, my answer is probably changed a little bit. So borya says wise dedicated a teacher willing to share your experiences and knowledge very practical direct and serious. Let's just say you're not the life of the party resourceful when needed you see Life is a series of inconvenient commitments which serve note in Ah, that's perfect. That's kind of that is you I would like to point out that that is so true because for Christmas this last year you guys I wanted to buy Austin tickets to a local real life Mario Kart event where you went around and actually played Mario Cart and go cars. They have weapons and everything and I wanted to make sure Sure, so I asked his wife and she said I don't think he's going to want to leave the house and do something and so but you should ask him. So I asked him and that was his response. It means I have to go somewhere and so he passed it up because it would have been inconvenient. Well, he was so speaking of that. Grace was telling me my wife Grace was telling me yesterday that she had something big planned for me for my birthday this year because I'm In 30, yes, and I got really scared because I thought she was going to throw me a surprise birthday party and it basically turned into that episode of Parks and Rec for like Leslie Knope is like it's Ron Swanson's birthday and he's all nervous because he thinks she's throwing him a surprise party right Grace was like, you know, I thought about it, but then I realized who was turning 30, and I know that that would be like your nightmare you would show up and everybody would be like surprise and that you just like leave. Turn around like I've seen you do that kind of thing at work before when we do when I worked in the resource center together, like everyone was happy for you and you actually do turn around and walk out the door and we had to chase you isolate barley and I chased you. It's like nope. I'm good. Y'all finger guns. So lastly here thanks, you know to Buddhist and to Dragons Den for all the great that they do for the Community and also for giving us this quiz that we were able to take on the show today. You can always support the site as well. You can make PayPal donations there. They also have affiliate link set up on their website. So if you want to buy Dragon Quest game from like Amazon or like GameStop play Asia any of those kind of things then you know, you can take the extra 30 seconds to go to their site and buy it through there and help them out. And this is not a like paid promotion for them. I should add like we just we just Just love them and we wanted to do like the little like, you know promote them a little bit on the show because we're very thankful for all the work. They do. Yeah. It's probably our favorite resource out there just in terms of finding anything out about Dragon Quest that you need. So we wanted to make sure that if there is someone out there who doesn't know about Buddhist and Dragons Den then we want you to so good stuff. Thank you Buddhist. And so that about does it for this week's episode of Dragon Quest FM. Remember you can talk to us directly on Twitter at Dragon Quest FM. You can visit our site which is Dragon Quest dot f m you can talk to me personally Twitter. My Twitter handle is underscore Austin underscore Keen also have a weekly Dragon Quest blog that strength was austin.com and I'm on Twitter is at Professor beej you can find my other podcast. Geek to get cast.com and you can find all the rest of our media network shows at geek media.com and join us on slack Discord and just see all the other cool stuff. Thanks everybody. Thank you everybody. Bye.

This past week, we got tons of Dragon Quest news! We got heroes in Smash, the release of Dragon Quest Your Story in Japan, some news about DQ X that makes us want to cry, and some exciting updates about Dragon Quest XI S! First, let’s talk about the Heroes in Super Smash Bros Ultimate! Neither of us really play Smash, but we’re really excited for all of you who do. --RNG --Thwack --Petitions to not let heroes into tournaments? Wtf? --BJ wants to GameFly smash and buy the DQ stuff for under 10 bucks just to play it --Might do this or get a used copy when he goes to see Austin next week Then it’s on to Dragon Quest XI S! --There’s a demo coming, although no release date has been given. --The save file transfers over, and you get a Skill Seed for transferring data --”The One Desceded from Erdrick” premium hero card in DQ Rivals (which is in Japanese) --Confirmed that we can visit DQ X as one of the past worlds --Erik gets a new outfit, it’s the “North Leather Style” from the manga by Hiro Mashima (Fairy Tail). The manga debuts on August 21st. It’s just a one-off. --It’s redeemed from a code that comes with a book (haven’t announced what the book is yet) (maybe some hardcover edition of the manga? Since it premieres in an issue of V-Jump magazine??? --SE confirmed a harder version of Draconian Quest where all the party have Shypox. SHAMELESS SELF-PROMOTION Patreon.com/dragonquestfm Announce our Upcoming Q&A episode! Email us at social at dragonquest dot fm or tweet it to us or leave us a message at https://anchor.fm/dragonquest/messages Dragon Quest Your Story was released in Japan --Spoiler discussion on the Dragon Quest Inn Discord - https://discord.gg/xtVqZtX --People dislike the ending --We both know the ending but still want to watch the movie. Lastly, we wanted to put the spotlight on Dragon’s Den for a moment. --Woodus.com (Dragon’s Den) is a great fan site all about Dragon Quest. It’s been around since 1997! --Many of you listening will know about it already and probably visit it quite often. Woodus and the Dragon’s Den group do a great job within the community, and we wanted to give them a nice shout out today. --Also, they have a personality quiz--where you can see which DQ character you are. So, B.J. is going to take the test really quickly, and then we’re going to discuss it. Lolz. --Austin always gets Nevan. He’s gonna retake it alongside B.J. and see if it’s Nevan again.

Its Behavior bitches Hey guys, it's Lia hot and Casey today. We are back for episode 8. This is so exciting episode 8 feeling. Great. Oh, yeah, Casey that's real cool. And the topic for today is something that we know so many women and men struggle with done done done eating disorders. This is a heavy topic but we are really excited to have a guest on who is going to open up her personal life. But before we get into that, we wanted to really thank you guys so so much for tuning in to us each week if we get to a weekly episode, which we're doing pretty good. We seriously love when you guys reach out to us via Facebook or Instagram if we haven't gotten back to you bear with us because life is hard. We're just trying to get some money to pay my rent which is working. But we always want to just thank you guys for tuning in because you are why we continue to podcast you rry all that. Thanks. Don't forget to subscribe. 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I don't know what I would do at all these reviews its from Jazz to eight seven zero. She says, I'm loving your podcast. I recently passed the New York license behavior and Let's examine June and have been in the field of behavior analysis for 20 years. Amen. Girl. Wow, when I was studying I put my radio listing behavior on extinction recently got into listening to a VA podcast and years has been the first that truly resonates with what we do on a day-to-day basis. Oh my God. I know I'm going to cry. Actually I'm enjoying the guess you are inviting to speak as they provide insight to our field tying in the behavior principles of that plus as it enables all of us to see how behavior is everywhere. You for making my car right in between clients that much more enjoyable hurts. Oh, she's been in the field for 20 years and she's listening to our bullshit. No, I'm like, I feel really honored just italics but you can hear us. Well, you're listening that if you can hear us, yeah, if you actually do listen to us like your review we love you and send us a message or post on like our Instagram like or our fan our Facebook group like they read my review or something cool. I want to like Tom know that you heard us we want to know what Experience and knowledge of 20 years in the field and if you could be a good resource for me as your one in the field, so that was awesome. I just wow overwhelmed last with joy hashtag black weeds are I should be are just every title episode. Alright. So today meet let me say this part Casey go ahead because I'm excited about our guest. So today we have a special guest on who has agreed to open up about her personal struggles around eating disorders and how she changed Her behavior, hashtag a ba duh a bad behavior principles. Hashtag ABA it changes the world. Yay. All right, beautiful Casey before we get started. I know I only said about my anthropology. You have my anthropology rug that I opened up in the bathroom. You literally have 15 seconds to say about yourself go. What have you been up to today? At least? Okay. So today I went to a Body Pump class I was Pairing to lift heavy weights. So our guests would be impressed by me. I went paddleboarding after work. I did that zenlea with no phones. I'm trying to disconnect a little bit from social media for my mental health this week. I saw a therapist which I did open up to on so, you know say be a during my class and dealing with, you know, some anxiety issues and stress and not wanting to be you know, my doctor isn't like here's Prozac. Like not a fucking chance. Sorry. That was my FM. I can do this on my own. I got some real good CBD oil went and got a massage and went to therapy and I'm telling you two days later. I already feel like that heart attack feeling is gone. So if that's gonna probably be a next episode anxiety, but right now and I'm going to talk about good and strongly behind anxiety meds. I really do but I know that I believe that if I actually had Had a generalized anxiety disorder, like actual imbalance versus a situational thing causing. I know my trigger, you know what I mean was your work listen to this podcast? It's not my not my work wink wink. No, it's not even about it's a package just being a bcba in general. It is just that but in case he loses their job tomorrow. No, they can about that. It's not that it's basically like it's situational anxiety because it's a learning curve if I'm not perfect at something. Right away. I get really rich I put myself into a really deep place because I'm always good at everything I do and if I'm not I am like I stress out. I worry I just and I know that I need to remove that pressure because no one else is putting that on me, but myself I think that perfectionist at the two that you have is very good a very good introduction into what we're going to talk about today. Amen. Let's go and also there was one thing I want to tell you that I posted on the That denotes a ba and did you see that funny thing? I posted it says it's 20 and you just said you started therapy and it said it's 2019. You have two options therapy or start your own podcast. So I wrote a lot. I wrote on it last couple of years of therapy this year. It's a podcast. So I love that one and I thought it was really cute. So the other one I posted a on a behavior bitches Instagram was by Elizabeth Gilbert who's one of my favorite writers, and she said, My actual job in life is managing my mental help and I was like, yes girl. Yes, but taking control of that. And again, that's a whole other episode right now. Let's get into introducing Our Guest. Let's do it. Before we introduce Our Guest. Let's tell you a little bit about her Lauren lives in st. Louis Missouri, and she graduated with an educational specialist degree and a ba in May. I believe Lauren had told me when we were speaking that she has more than one master's degree, which is hashtag hot. He'll go girl hashtag education is sexy she works with adults with disabilities and severe behaviors similar to you Casey. Her mentors are dr. Pavone as in Maggie Pavone the awesome guest we had on an episode a couple weeks back titled. Don't be an asshole. And her other Mentor is Melissa Weber who Maggie when she was on the podcast had said was also her mentor and everyone speaking so highly about this Melissa Weber chick. I think we have got to get Her on here. Lauren is sitting for her BCB exam in November, but she's already in the study notes a be a collective hashtag overachiever. Hashtag teacher's pet hashtag Casey you're being replaced and she loves to drink coffee and lift heavy shit literally heavy shit. If you stalk her Instagram account, you can find her at letters and lifting. Oh, we'll have to put that in the show notes because her handwriting is so bombtastic and she is drawing some graphics and beautiful stuff for the study notes. Instagram account so follow her go find her. She's so cool. And Lauren, we're so happy to have you here and that you wanted to come on and talk about this topic. We're so thankful. So thanks for coming. Thank you so much for having me. My pleasure. Can you tell everyone a little bit about yourself if I missed anything? I said that you had I thought that you had said that you have more than one master's degree on my right. Yes. I have a master's in of arts and teaching early childhood. Two masters that's amazing. So you real quickly just you work with adults with autism. Yes. I actually am really blessed because I work with Melissa Weber. So she blessed with my my practicum supervisor. And now she's my supervisor for my provisional license. And Maggie was was so right. She is Melissa is an incredible human being and she has she's soshe treats individuals that have very severe and intense behavior in such an effective and ethical and compassionate way. That is all those things in one sentence. That's so nice. I want to write that down ethical compassionate effective. She's an amazing human. So I'm really fortunate that I get to work with I learned from her and I can we had said that she doesn't steer away from any behaviors. Is that is this real the same girl were talking about? Yep. She doesn't stay away from any behaviors has she if she ain't scared her and she what I also love about her is she just maintains the sense of calm so when she's going into any sort of interaction with a with a client, you know be a crisis or not. She's just very calm and heard escalation and it's just so wonderful. To see you know, she's just an amazing person sounds like you're getting really great supervision. Yes. Yeah, and you should be using so happy and that's grateful. That's amazing. I think that supervision is a really important thing which will be a whole nother episode. But tell us yeah anything about you that we missed tell us a little bit about yourself. Let's see I have red hair. Episodes we've had two redheads. I mean the odds of that are we have 19. I mean, isn't that very recessive? Yes, who? Yeah, and my fiancé might I don't know if you've seen him but yeah one yeah, he's a ginger and he is the best person in the entire universe. Like I can't even say how amazing he is. Sounds like you have over again realization. You think they're good? Yeah now I'm like you must be the coolest person. And ever orange is you also send me the most amazing messages where I'm like she's so uplifting. I like how did you know I needed that today like she should I don't need a therapist. I just hate Lauren. That's it. I'll need a Lauren. Alright, so Lauren, why don't we dive into your story? Sure, okay. So before we get there, I just want to say that something that is interesting, which I think I mentioned it for a second but something that because I stopped you on Facebook on Instagram that I see that you lift when I said you lift heavy shit. I mean, you literally lift really heavy shit you You can you tell us a little about your lifting schedule and when how often you work out when you go to the gym. Are you real? Are you really going tell us I'm really going so I have been really fortunate. I've been Lifting for think about three years and I've had several amazing powerlifting coaches. And so my my coach now our program is I mochel and train for time. A week and I trained on a bench and squat and deadlift with some overhead press and I totally out. My schedule is a little crazy. So twice a week I get up and I don't know that's like the biggest understatement I've ever heard so it 3:00 in the morning and I lift and then I come home and I eat all the food all of it to feed those muscles, right? Yep. You can exactly yeah. I felt like that was an important antecedent to let people know this is something that Lauren does now, which is amazing and I'm hashtag envious. So cool. So we're talking about eating disorder. So I just wanted to throw that in that this is where Lauren is currently what she is up to in her life. So I think that's cool to know that we're going to end this with a positive place where Lauren is now so butts. Absolutely. Great. When when did your eating disorder begin? Do you remember? Yeah, so I was diagnosed formally in 2007 and who diagnosis that by the way, I at that point I saw my primary care physician or my pediatrician at the time right? And I had met the criteria that Of concern and so my pediatrician got me in touch with a outpatient hospital in St. Louis. And so I went to dr. There a registered dietitian and then I connected with my therapist who I've been with since 2007. I still see her. So wow. Okay amazing and which eating disorder if you don't mind us asking did you struggle with so I was diagnosed? With anorexia nervosa. Okay. So that's its characterized with a lot of restrictions. So basically refraining from eating food. Okay, so thank you for operationally defining that forever. Luckily. Yep. How old were you I'm trying I don't know how I'm so I'm 29. So I was 16 17. Okay. Yep, so high school and getting ready to go to college and I think that was one of the things that became the initial I guess you could say motivator because I had to be healthy enough to go away to college. Yeah, and so and be on my own and so that was definitely Thing that you know helped me at that point in my time in my life really stick with you know going and seeing my therapist is and making sure I was in consuming the food that the you know, the dietician needed me to eat to get healthy again and to continue to go to the you know that occasion clinic and go through that process. So Pacey sorry, this is for you Casey didn't I think in one of our past conversations you've mentioned that you've struggled with the name? Disorder in the past. Am I thinking correctly wait, am I out just kind of know that was part of the show. Yeah. I actually around the same age. I think I was more 1415 but I struggled with bulimia and I was never actually diagnosed like from a doctor, but it was very bad and I got you know, I ended up being caught by a family member and they could all tell a lie. See pictures of me and I'm like now, you know, of course my eye looks so good. No, I did not look good. Like that was not healthy and I found it almost like a game where I'd be like, I love I'm a very person who needs to be in control and that was my control. I couldn't roll. I couldn't control my home life, which was miserable. I couldn't control my relationship which was not healthy, but I could control that every time I ate I could go to the bathroom and Purge. Judge, and it was a it became like almost an OCD I had to do it and if I wouldn't eat if I couldn't be in a place where I could do that and that probably lasted like 2 years and I think about the Havoc it wreaks on my body on my teeth on all that and I guess I was lucky enough to have finally someone who was like no. This is not happening. You are now being monitored every day. You're not out of the bathroom by yourself. I was put on like a very strict monitoring system. And then I kind of again I was same as you learn this is kind of weird, but I was going to college and it was basically I had to be healthy to go and I had to prove that I wasn't going to engage in those behaviors anymore. But it was hard. It was hard braking that and now I think wow I can't believe I ever did that because right is so gross to me, but it's not gross when you're in it it It is a routine. It is your ritual. It is your release and like same thing is like cutting or any type of behavior. That is something that you can have control over which you can probably speak to that. How did you feel about that? Well, I mean, I think that you hit on at least what I found and Meg, dr. Pavone was so helpful with this because I ended up doing my graduate thesis on a b and eating disorders and I think that what you spoke about is is very much across The board for many individuals who have this who engage in these behaviors. I will just say that you know, and it's also definitely supported by our culture right? Because I mean, even you just said you said you look back these pictures and you're like, oh I look so good. Well, that's not what you truly believe, but that's how are you know, if we think about verbal Behavior right like our social and our verbal Community has shaved us to believe that that is what looks good. And so, you know and again like the research states that It's across family and doesn't matter your economic status or cultural background this these behaviors are very much effective for people in terms of at least for me that negative reinforcement. Right? So you have something in your environment that is aversive to you. You could have something in your actual family environment like you spoke about I also had very immersive private events. And so you know, how however, we kind of want to view that in terms of behavior analysis like those definitely led me to engage in those behaviors of restricting, you know to access either that you know Escape or avoidance from those feelings or those events or as you spoke about and I don't know if it would be kind of access to I don't think we could necessarily say access to tangible but access to that control right access to whatever that control is, you know there I've Read some studies and about I mean, I don't know so much about us. I'm not going to get too into it, but that they were talking about creating another function of behavior being control real Emma because you're trying to think where I heard it, and I'm sorry that I can't quote anything right now, but There was like certain things where you know some kids or not just kids but I'm just talking because that's the setting that I had heard it in for a supervisor or something and it was about the idea and I think maybe it was my supervisor. I was with was doing some research on the potential of a fifth function of behavior being control. I mean, there's nothing that's, you know, been done to change the functions. It's still the four functions we know about Being tangible Escape attention and automatic. Uh-huh. So it's rare that you say that we got because I working with adults, right and it's a very different than children and I feel like every meeting I had with families they are like, you know, they always talk about how you know, they're engaging those behaviors because they don't have control over anything in their life. All things that they can have control over is where they're going to like latch onto and like stick their feet in the mud and you know, especially with like non-vocal adults that you think, you know, oh, well, they you know that they don't really know what control is like. No, they want control. They would Thrive off of when they can have a choice when they can have control. So I just went through this this week would like for families so I don't have to look further into that bring it out of my butt. What do you know if there was? One specific antecedent that you remember like the first time or like okay. I don't know if it's more difficult because let's say like bulimia like the beat it's interesting because like Behavior we say a debt if a dead man can do it. It's not Behavior, right? And so when we say refraining the eating right can a dead man do that? Yeah, he can I'm sure he never will so like I guess bulimia like Casey saying she struggle with that is kind of easier. Operationally Define in terms of an observable objective Behavior like okay, Casey do remember the first time you threw up. Whereas I'm wondering. Do you remember the either the first time that you it's something like triggered? Okay now like I'm not eating or it was like Progressive over time, and maybe I'm just not understanding because something I never struggled with Out. Yeah, well and actually thinking about that especially with my thesis having to come up with you know, those objective and measurable Target Behavior definitions and Maggie and I'll kind of helped me with that and something in terms of anorexia that I defined was, you know, restrictive eating is defined as a decreased rate of food intake across settings and over time. So, you know, hopefully that helps with the Dead Man's test a little bit because you have you know, like this is is this is your rehearing are actually choosing to engage in that behavior to decrease it's not just the admittance of a behavior, right? Okay. Well, I'm happy that right you had written about this and so we could I'm just trying to for anyone may be studying or something to think about because it definitely there definitely are behaviors of someone engages in I'm thinking you know, whether it's Maybe like avoidance like going away from social settings or you know, maybe a behavior you might see someone like flicking a lettuce leaf around their plate or like some I'm sure there's some other observable behaviors we could put with it. Also. Oh absolutely and I think that is part of the criteria and I think that what kind of develops over time as we're looking at these behaviors, they're very covert and you know, like like Casey said you were found out, you know, my family saw Over time what I was doing, you know, when you think something that's very typical of some of these behaviors are, you know, eating by yourself refraining from going out to meals over-exercising things like that. And so there you know there. Yes, there are these like additional behaviors that you know, go along with. Okay. So now we've yrs they go so I'm just you know, like I'm I'm not simply just three four. From eating I'm also engaging on all these other very kind of covert things. So so was there one like if you could think back so people have seen that have an eating disorder like for me my like trigger was I didn't have any control over the shitty life out put into yeah, like, you know, the I thought very spiraling family out of control of drug abuse and alcoholism and abuse physical and I wanted to be perfect and think I was like in control of everything and I believe that was my trigger or antecedent do you have Yes, so around that time my parents got a divorce which is you know, we know this happens in life and in no way am I blaming family or putting that burden on anybody? But you know, I think being in that adolescent period of your life and that's totally out of your control, right? Exactly. So it's out of my control and the eldest of four and so, you know, there's a lot of me, you know, seeing what my siblings are going through at their various ages and kind of stages of development and feeling like okay. There's a lot of pain around me. There's a lot of change a lot of confusion. I'm also as part of, you know, just who I am, but I also think that it's very characteristic of individuals who engage in these behaviors perfectionist as well. And so it's like I want to fix and make better while getting you know the best and academics and you know, and and all of those things and so that was definitely I think that moment in time the inability to control Family environment in my adolescent feelings and all of those things was definitely an anesthesia for me. Today's episode is brought to you by something. That is very close to my heart and Casey's heart. So close that there's nothing I'd want to advertise more. You're wondering what it is. It's study notes ABA. 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Maybe that's why we connected so well without even knowing or do you go yeah, like the middle child and I and she's also so I'm just saying I think Lauren's maybe just like a connectable person. She's a ginger. There it is. Alright, what is another condition that we had? Another question that I have? Another question I have for you is do you feel so that was kind of like an event going on which makes sense that that is like something you probably wish you could control when your parents are getting divorced, but you can't do you think there were any environmental variables aside from that like, I mean now if we look at I know we had mentioned when you and I spoke briefly about Social media for example was social media big then. I mean it was still around then I you know, it's kind of funny because I didn't get Facebook until my senior year of college. I don't think Instagram was going at that point. But I mean if you filter was not as strong as it is it holds. Yeah. The filter damn was not a strong these days with all this filter shit and fake stuff and this is not real life. It is fake book. It is not real you see, right? Come on, Casey babe. I know I got a coin that now I see my friends that are struggling posting only happy shit. And I'm like and I do I find myself guilty of the same stuff. I'm like today. I went to the gym self-care and I'm like inside on Mike having a yeah. I'm like literally I'm like, I need to like people, you know, I tune into my career. I never liked so happy and then that when I do to those people post the real raw stuff of Mike thank God, there's someone being real because I don't have the guts. Right now to do it. Do you know what I did on Instagram today on the Instagram live? I was like you guys want to see a magic trick and I was like watch this look at my hands and I'm like your finger shop. No, I put them on. I'm like I'm like to see this before and as you see I'm wearing gloves right now. My hands are killing today and I'm like watching those guys and it's complete because people need to see that shit. They need to see that like, oh miss positive over here telling us to study for the test all the time like has shit, too. You know and I think people don't do that. No, I think I think you're absolutely right and I think that at the time for me, you know what the content I we did have, you know, then was movies and you know magazines or books. I mean, you know, if you even think about it, like if you read like young adult fiction at the time, I mean, they describe characters. So even as you know kind of trite and cliché as that might sound it's like, you know, they're describing these female or male characters. With the ideals of our society at the time for the body, you know for body image and I mean that sets expectations, you know, and it's still defining What happiness is supposed to look like and feel like, you know even prior to social media all that big stuff. So and I feel like I think actually my middle school days and with no actual and probably these like you said movies or magazines that you read but with really no social media at all zero. I always would look at the girls that had these skinny skinny body types that were you know, just they were just built that way and middle school and you're just it's how your bones are built really? It's like and I was a bigger boned and that was like made merest immediately always think of whatever I ate and I could that was not put on me by anyone else but I mean, maybe outside so environmental variables but more just because I was like, I see that I think that's Supposed to be what I look like and I'm gonna in restricting. My eating only caused me to gain more weight. You didn't actually make me lose weight. And then that's when I turned to bulimia. So it was a long history for sure well, and that's something that I thought was important to look at to because so my undergrad is in Latin and Greek and so I did a lot of other manual. Yeah an undergrad and so there was so cool Latin and Greek. Nick always mentioned Greek roots in my class in my hand like that and you're right because they're super helpful to studies. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, but like itself Otto is self guys. Okay. So apparently there you go. You got it. That's as far as my degree goes in Greek Roots. Well, I mean, it's still helpful. So you're teaching very helpful and valuable things. So keeping it alive for all of us but something that and I remembered studying in like women and gender coursework is you know, if you look at the ancient Greeks and the female body type is portrayed vastly different from what we see now and so something I thought about when doing my research is like this is this is there's such a long history of body image and body expectations. And so I talked with Maggie and Michelle and I'm like, well, how do I how does this fit? You know, they Greeks didn't have Instagram back then so Was going on and that's where we kind of talked about, you know selection of you know consequences and you know, again that verbal Behavior peace and and and how our society was shaped and and it's just so in a way it's like Okay. So we've all literally every single one of us has been dealing with this and this has been here since the beginning of time like these expectations have been here, so we're not alone. So I have a question. I just trying to throw in a little bit of learning. Earning here talking about verbal behavior my worst verbal offer in to talk about whenever I'm teaching the class is auto clinics, but Auto clinics is hashtag self-talk, so couldn't that be involved in it? Also like you're talking about your own language or am I taking this too far anyone? No. No because I think I think that that's because doesn't that in please, you know, you guys anybody else out there? Correct me if I'm wrong that goes back to like rule-governed Behavior, right? So we might not even Common contact with certain contingencies but we're telling ourselves. Oh don't eat this or exercise for you know, as long as you need to in order to obtain, whatever ideal you think that you need, but I don't know if I'm you know, no, I know it's not right for me like during engaging in like my own verbal Behavior helps me get through the day. I'm like talking myself through things like it's going to be okay. You could do this. You're great like Modifying my own bro Behavior to like Lawrence and I'm great Lauren couldn't okay. Like you said that you haven't even come into contact with that your tote like, you know, maybe you're told that if you don't do X Y and Z how strong that is for someone who's Perfectionist worry work like us versus someone who's a chill AF person who's like whatever and they don't even stress about those things that haven't even happened yet when we're over here early, but it could happen it could happen. But and I think too with that that's what's so powerful about how young were seeing these behaviors, you know, or individuals engage in these behaviors. I mean, I think that we used to think of it honestly as behaviors in a disorder that adolescent you know women and men and you know humans would deal with and now it's like no this is children children are now dealing with this because you know, maybe they're growing up in a house where they've been told don't eat that because you know, and you know and also is all such a learned behavior as well because it's like I have a friend and growing up her like her mom would literally come and be like, can you make sure she's not going to eat too much when you guys are out, you know, she gets real hungry and we And it'd be like it's like okay the chance of this girl not having an eating disorder are slim because there's this Obsession place in it already or like the parents have come into contact with the contingency meeting like either like they were bullied when they were younger for being overweight and their behavior was punished because like that eating Behavior. So now it becomes a rule governed behavior for their child. And when you see these moms looking in the mirror being like I hate this about myself, I hate this about myself. I'm so fat on my sides over here. Here, you know a lot of behavior is learned, you know, I mean all operate behavior is learned. All Opera behavior is learned. My nephew is 9 and again we have it's funny because my sister and Mom are they're not big bone. They're like little bow if he's if you could say that as a term, but my nephew gently take petite they're petite and that side of the family is and my I took after my dad. I'd and we are fit. We are muscular. We are I'm not there is no I would never ever coin the term fat we just have we like to eat and get healthy good food, but my nephew is this takes after me and he came over the other night. He's nine and he goes he's an auntie and he's so cute. He's like he's so after two he's playing football. He's like running around like crazy. He's in my gym and my house like on the elliptical like just being like playing around like a kid, but he said the saddest thing and he said that kids at school are calling him, you know fat and all this means stuff and that one kid was like basically said he'd murder him because he was tell those good beat the shit out of that never take bullying. I told him he goes, but Aunty he was when I look at you. I think that we look the same and I was like, oh my God, like I know we are the same and he goes, but you're beautiful and I was like and so are you like why you have to tell yourself? I and I sat in the corner and I was like Like literally like you are beautiful you are amazing. You are realistic. Thank you again. And I literally like I'm getting emotional when I was like so hurt and sad that he looked at me and said but you're beautiful but we look alike and I'm like, yes, but I'd like and he was like, he was I tell them that I'm built for power not speed. I gotta get him into weightlifting like not that had nine but like at least Getting him to thank you like lifting. Yeah, and he said that I was like that is the coolest thing I've ever heard of kids saying the entire world. I'm built for power not speed. I think that's like an important lesson because when I think about like as a as a child, I had like abnormal strength, I would say in terms of like my thing for show-and-tell every year would be doing like, oh watch me I could you 68 perfect push-ups in a minute. Watch this I could do 40 clapping push-ups watch this. Like I always have like pull-up bars on my door and all those things and I mean like the joke is now or not necessarily A joke is like I can't even do like a push up now because I literally woke up with lupus and my entire life changed, but my dad something that he did when I think about it in hindsight now is he made me like so proud of that like Leo you are so Strong like you could kick anyone's ass like you like that's not normal and like I like lived up to that because that was and so like for every Show and Tell I tell you I would do push-ups and I would do like this is my karate thing like yeah. Okay now I'm a black belt and I did Muay Thai for years and but I think because but all my friends were little dancers like would go to like Bat Mitzvahs at you know, everyone's about Mitzvah during those three years and they were all like these like tiny little Like doing their little dance routines like one and two and three and four on the dance floor and I'd be like and yeah and yeah, I've had six and seven and eight. Yeah, exactly and but like so when I think about that now just hearing it I'm like, well, maybe that's something important that I want to include like raised and still in my children like because it's so important of that learned behavior aspect of something. Absolutely. I just since we just went a little crazy off topic no, no, it's No way on topic. Yeah, I mean because honestly we that I think honestly what's going to make a change within our society and within our selves and our children and our clients and our friends and our just people is changing that language of what is defined as beautiful and strong and honestly, it's however, you define it, you know, it's truly your own definition. So I think that all the time like little things like I like when I first lost my fingers I was thinking NG, oh my God. My kids are going to be like not know any different like oh, this is Mom. Like this is mom's hands like they won't think anything of it and that just shows that a child is so moldable and these behaviors can be taught like they see this as normal K fine, right but and so we have such control in terms of what we not saying that any of the reason you guys have this was your parents telling you like you need to do this, but like as I'm talking about it now with you guys, like I never realized that before saying like my dad put me in these classes or whatever it was but now in hindsight, I'm Wow, it's so important that we do. You know show them that or like that they do imitate your behavior. So you have to show that you are happy with yourself or and it's just make like off cuff remarks like, oh I hate my stomach, right? Like, you know, it's I've heard mom feel like my stomach's like this because of you and it's like, oh my God, no one especially, you know, and I taught preschool before entering the field of ABA and something. Talked about and our classroom a lot was you are so strong You're Building those blocks. You're playing on the playground. You got to eat that food to grow those muscles you have to sleep and you know, and then that became the language of two and three-year-olds and you know, if you do that with their clients, you know, which you know, we do with some of the clients that we work with, you know to get them motivated to engage in gym and the physical education part of the day is you are so strong. You can do what we believe in you so all of that possible. Positivity about strength and what you can do I think is really really powerful and the cute thing about kids is they will come and tell you like look how strong I am look at this and if only we could say that about ourselves, you know, right nowadays. Anyway my goal my brother with autism who is 22 like he's a personal trainer because girl loves to eat a lot like food is his ultimate reinforce or a long with a lot of kids with special needs or developmental disabilities and he's always like yeah, like feel my all this and that like don't he's always saying it and it's just like You know a lot of us are like we we don't do that and I think it's actually cool to see more of that. But anyways, okay getting to we talked about the antecedent. What about the the consequence where you reinforce or people complimenting you how amazing you looked were were you able to get him with a new group of friends? Like what what consequences did you come into? Contact? No, you said negative reinforcement like you were able to feel like removing something aversive. Which I guess also weight could be aversive and wanting to remove it could be like removing something of ourselves and seeing the number on the scale go down each time. Like it's a Crossing off your to-do list basically like today like and I still find myself doing that. If I don't I do like intermittent fasting sometimes and I'll be like, oh I woke up this morning and I was 4 pounds lighter negative reinforcement is going to increase my behavior to not eat between the hours of 7:00 and In the morning, and you know, it's that removal when you know that it's going to come back on to eat not like I like really lost four pounds. I guess sorry. Go ahead. Oh, no, it's been said that is like my it was mine you my negative reinforcement procedure is the removal of the weight increases my behavior to engage in those behaviors that showed a decrease on the scale. Absolutely. Yeah that I think that there was definitely some of that in my own personal journey and I had let's see I Diagnosed in 2007. I would say considered fully recovered in 2017. And so this was very very long, you know, 10 years of this and and many relapse has and I would say that the behaviors were the same but I think that they definitely changed so, you know when I was younger it was definitely the escape from you know, what was happening in my environment. And the aversive stimuli was there, you know intention component from friends and family possibly people would make comments. I didn't really find that reinforcing but they it was definitely there and I think that probably got stronger social media came about again, like what my deal should is being dictated as and wanting to follow that but then it really kind of manifested itself in the last kind of leg of my journey. That when I was given a diagnosis of obsessive-compulsive disorder when I was I mean I was 24 and so I think it definitely kind of wove itself into that so much more like okay. I need I want to get all this done. I want to you know have perfect grades in my graduate program. I wanted you to be the best teacher ever and I want to do all these things and you know, I have a lot of anxiety surrounding these accomplishments and what I want to do and that fear of Failure and that that not wanting to have contact with failing and disappointing myself and other people and so for whatever reason, you know, that is how I controlled all of that and that all those immersive very punishing kind of internal events that were happening which is this evening. Did you ever go through cognitive behavioral therapy? Yes, so that's what I actually started with. So when I first met my therapist, we initially did. BBT together with a little bit of I think it's called dialectical behavior therapy as well, which was you know, those were both very powerful in the sense that you know, I learned to kind of act opposite of the emotion like, okay, I feel these things and I'm going to engage write in a different behavior. And so that was powerful and then the what I really felt kind of flip the switch of my recovery was Was acceptance and commitment therapy and that's oh my God. I love it. Yep. I love it. It is truly the best book and I really like the Illustrated. I don't know if you've seen that Illustrated one. Yeah, I have yeah. Oh it's so it's kind of ordering in these podcasts are getting expensive for me. I order something from every like, I just got in the mail the other day. I mean, this is okay. Happiness trap I have that book and I will be honest with you. I haven't really had the courage to open it yet. I mean I've had it I okay. Like I feel like it's one of those things where I'm always constantly reading about like how to be a good supervisor how to do this how to manage people and I know that this book is actually going to be beneficial to me in my personal life. Yeah. I'm always focusing on professional life first and I need you know, whether it's teaching and making sure I'm prepared for class or making sure I'm prepared for work and writing programs. Holy shit. You're so perfect. This girl like gets to me like before like it's outline perfect for the class and three days. I'm like bro. I don't even know what I'm eating for breakfast like in five minutes. So I know that first for me and Lauren, I want you to hold me accountable. I want you to like message me and be like, hey, did you open your brother's about to tell you look look right here. I just ordered it and we can have a book. Do it. Actually I think it's great. I got the Illustrated. Have a good idea. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes, and that's what I was going to tell you Casey to do. I don't know if you have that one kind of but let me pack okay. She's getting up right now to do this. She's insane. Just look at her. That's amazing. She's do it now girl. Okay. So anyways, in the meantime, we'll come back to that in one second. I don't okay. So, I'm sorry. I think Katie get the Illustrated one because I think it's so friendly, you know, it's like you said you're not opening yet. Another dense, you know book full of paragraphs and words. It's illustrations and like in Graphics and visuals that you can just quickly flip to add text to kind of say the a yeah get that one. It's so great. Thank you for that advice. I'm so excited. Absolutely. Okay. So in the last two days, these are the books I ordered in case anyone cares. I got analyzing ethical questions from behavior analyst I never had the analyzing one by Bailey and Birch. I ordered podcast advertising works because I was listening to some podcasts about the advertising and it's on the order that and now I have the happiness. Rap so thank God I keep Shabbat. Yeah, I gotta keep Shabbat because when else would I read this. Oh and I ordered an eighth of Clay on Amazon for my niece. She won't eat anything. That's okay anyways, so what behavioral principles have you used a first of all of our get that is this an ongoing struggle? You still have no so I consider and I believe my therapist would agree with me that I am fully. Recovered, which is kind of controversial and and kind of like this area because I think there's many individuals who say that, you know, this is there always be a part of them and I think it's a part of my history of you know, who I am, but I am not engaging in any of the behaviors their story. It does not define you right? Thank you. It makes me feel good. I like literally, I don't know thankful all the time for my health issues. I mean they suck but I'm like dude who would hell would care to listen to me if I wasn't this Edible girl like whose fingers fell off like I'm like, well, I guess I took the finger thing for the team, but it's working in my favor people like it motivates them from day one of the class so whatever. Okay, so what behavioral principles have you used to change your behavior that has led to recovery and now that you understand Behavior, like maybe even realize at the time what you were doing, but when you look at it, what have you done? So I definitely believe it was differential reinforcement of alternative Behavior. And probably and you guys can correct me if I'm wrong incompatible Behavior because we are only a dri. Yeah, okay, because something so let me think so my final relapse I was engaged and I was in a therapy session and my therapist said to me you can either get back on track and get healthy are you there are going to be pretty severe professional and personal consequences. And you know, I've been with her for a very long time. Yep. Exactly. And so I you know is teacher I was getting married. There's all these things and then I you know was talking to my fiancé about my husband at the time my fiancé then and he said I don't know if you're healthy enough to get married. And so again, you know, it was one of those things like You know, he wasn't trying to be punishing. He was just like we really think about that. Exactly and I think that that is what really kind of helped me think. All right. I've been dealing with this for so long. This is not serving me. I need to figure out a different way. I've always loved exercising and I knew that that was very important for my mental health, but I knew that I had to do it in a healthy way. And so that's where I found powerlifting. And this is where the you know possible dri dri and you guys can help me figure that one out is because when you were training you cannot train every single day, at least I can't you know, that's just not part of my program and he can you say what differential reinforcement of alternative behavior is pulleys. Yes. So differential reinforcement of alternative behavior is you're teaching a functionally equivalent behavior for what you were engaging in but it's different than the the maladaptive Behavior. So For you will create alternative right you are you know, you know restricting you're eating right? So now you're teaching yourself to engage in a behavior that's alternative. So you are going to the gym and lifting and now it's like now you have to eat this food, right? Yeah, but I wouldn't say so much incompatible because you could still restrict your eating and lift. Right? I mean you'd be very if you wouldn't do a good job at it, but you could write but not because incompatible I think is awesome. At the same time like at the same time, you can't be texting and sticking your finger up your butt. It just wouldn't work because you're gonna be eating and not eating at the same time. Okay, so they could be definitely and that's a best the DRS are the best because you wanted each of the replacement Behavior. You don't want to just be like I'm going to reinforce with for the absence or you know incompatible but incompatible it like they can then they're not learning another Behavior. They're learning something that they can I do. I think what you did was definitely a dra in a beautifully one beautiful one. I think the only reason and this is where I I really love ABA and I really like should we plug the collective and we really love you. Oh my gosh. Thank you. But I think that this is what's so powerful about you know being in this field is that learning and growing part? Like what was I doing, you know because going into SM like well, I like after lifting hard and lifting heavy. I was so hungry. I mean, so you're absolutely right. I could have refrained that. I was just so hungry. I just it no longer worked like I could know about to say that for example, if someone's like I'm not drinking water, right and then but you're like okay fine, but manipulating that but The antecedent would be okay. I'm gonna make you run a marathon right now. Like you still could refrain technically from drinking the water like no one's shoving the water down your throat unless they like give you an idea or something you're in a state of deprivation. But so it increases the value of that. Reinforcer in that moment and I'm sure you have coaches you could tell me if you're wrong. But the coaches are telling you what your macro should be what you should be eating because if you lift heavy you want to see results, right? You want your body to be like the best it can be and you've got to feed your body and think of it as like it's a completely like it's a well-oiled machine when you're putting the nutrients and supplements that your body needs to be in the best physical shape if you take away the stigma of Your body should look like and think about the internal workings of your body. And if you want to live a long healthy, happy life inside your body the system, right? Lauren. You have to beat that absolutely that's such a beautiful way to say that to and it kind of reminds me of something Melissa Weber says all the time, you know, because I think what's sometimes hard when you're first getting into the field of ABA and I know that there are individuals who have much more experience and then much more research on eBay. And private events, but I think that is what's hard. How do we reconcile ABA, you know the observable or environment to the private events? And she said something that was extremely powerful to me was that, you know, we think about the environment. We also have to think about our internal environment. And so for me, you know lifting, you know allowed me like you said that functional equivalent. I was still able to in a much healthier way, you know avoid some of the aversive anxiety private. Ants and and away because when I'm lifting I'm present moment thinking I'm doing something that makes my body feel good. I'm eating so all of that nourishment helps with my anxiety as well. And you know, I just felt like my internal environment was a much more positive healthier controlled and a healthier way if that makes sense and I feel like with lifting or you have a program right? You have structured. Yep, so yes exactly. If you're not sure, I am sure I just like I think I do well with chaos, but structure is nice. I mean, I definitely know and I will say I do not do well with chaos. I can hopefully pull it back in but structure and a environment where it's like this is my almost like a behavior plan for yourself, right? I'm like, yes. Okay. I'm gonna go to the gym and these classes but once I'm going to and I'm going to you know, make sure ER I literally I have to attend these classes or else Mayan no Mayan mental health will fail. I know that my physical health is going to fail and so you put yourself on a behavior plan likely behaviors. You want to see yourself engaging and it makes me feel a million. I mean in two days just going to the gym twice. I'm like the this is when I need it. I don't need Prozac. I need you to Jim well, and I think to so kind of like you're saying getting back to that self talk so it you know, I have a program so that we have that like self-monitoring Behavior principle that we learn about in ABA to that. I'm you know, my coach gives me afford a plan. I know what I'm lifting. I enter that data I can see the change over time I could graph it if I want to but it's also helped when I have those moments of self-doubt to say Lauren are you exercising because you feel like you need to, you know burn something. Ah for are you training and that self talk for myself about? Okay, what does training mean training means you're eating your food? It means you're sleeping. It means you are managing your stress or reaching out to you know people in the the collective if I'm stressed about that. I can have a check in with Melissa Weber if I need to or Maggie, I can go to my therapist. So that's what training and Recovery is and that self talk of okay. What is it? You know, we will lift you up anytime because you live in absolute and it's so it's so Nice, I love the training idea versus just why are you going are you just like I actually am struggling with and I'm just going I want to lose weight. No, it needs to be a full training program. Right and and of that training is sleeping and eating you don't not going to the gym and I think that that is what's really hard especially with, you know, the language and our culture what we see on social media you this is why we have to be very careful with what we post and and I'm very careful about what I post in regards to something you'll never see. See, at least I hope and people can call me out, but I don't put the numbers that I'm lifting like you're not going to see how much I'm right thing because people can hook onto the numbers but I think what's really hard is that people will follow individuals, you know, powerlifters lifters and really great people but you have no idea what their training program is. So you're looking at them perform this lift in your like they must be going every single day or they must be doing X Y and Z and it's like no you don't know what that program is. They could honestly be We going twice a week. So I think that's standard is so it's what we kind of get ourselves in trouble with something. I've learned like with my own personal struggles with health or whatever it is. I've learned that you never know what the fuck someone else is dealing with and that is my f bomb for the show because you know, and that's a good as brene. Brown says is vulnerability is power when you try create this beautiful image of yourself that everything's perfect. Act like it's total bullshit. It really is and you are not relatable. I literally think half the success of study notes ABA was built on the fact that I'm like, I'm real. I'm going to show you what it's really like. I'm telling you I struggle with this concept. I don't know. Let me look that up in my book. Let me do this. I'm a real human. I'm sick. I'm sorry. I can't be in class. I'm sorry. I'm feeling really anxious right now. I'm gonna have to cancel because I'm feeling really depressed about my help. I'm in the hospital again L. Iran really pissed me off this weekend that I We got in the car and drove away and pack the suitcase and I only like 25 minutes. I'm texting me like 50 times that's amazing on Shabbat which means it's like serious because I really think heard witness. This is something and I actually feel like I have the platform to say it now. I spoke about this like a couple of years ago that I wanted to start it and the point that someone should get from this episode aside from the eating disorder part and I feel like I have the platform to say it now is that filters are fake filters are bullshit. I love the filter that I have Scleroderma and my rash looks so Fucking terrible all the time that I love that I can put those Hawaiian flowers on my head and make my skin look perfect and not have to do makeup because I hate wearing makeup. But at the same time they are completely fake. So I want to start a challenge and I want to and I want people to do this and to tag Behavior bitches and use the hashtag life unfiltered post something real that you are dealing with whether it's your skin issues whether it's Stretch marks, but you actually look like and by the way kids shit on you today, whatever. Yeah, whatever it is, whether like you're taking your fake finger on and off in a boomerang. I don't care but I want people to tag Behavior bitches and use the hashtag life unfiltered. I just like I have thought about this hashtag life unfiltered thing for a long time literally a few years. I just never had a platform and I feel like I'm excited to see what people share with us because I just think ink and I think people don't realize they think they're going to be like more for presenting this perfect life. But no, I think you're out of place when I start teaching the collective the first a couple nights. I am someone like Lauren and wants to be you know taken as they're perfect and everything's together and I am literally prepared for hours and it was like obsessive and didn't really share who I was I just wanted to teach and do a really good job, and that was it and then life, you know happened and I you know started this big new job and blah blah blah and I was just like I would just be like guys here I am I'm struggling. This but I'm here to motivate the F out of you. I just listened to my motivating song and I became real to them and I saw such a change and Lauren. I don't know. I know you're in the collective but like me just being like I know that there are things in life that are hard and I opened up and I'm not good at that. I'm more like any of my friends are like Casey tell us what's wrong. I'm like nothing. I'm fine. I'm perfect. Everything's great and I like when you say that we know it's not great. So like please. Oh, I know the opposite. I'm like, they're like But even the guy who contacted us to his sponsorship on our episode today, he's like so how's your thirst day? I'm like my birthday. How did you know that my birthday was two days ago. I turned 29 Fafa open up everything. I have Lupus like my ex-boyfriend would get it your Leon and you have Lupus. Okay. Do you tell everyone and it's like my story is me. Yeah. I know. I like to hide that and I'm coming into my own because of you. Yeah, honestly, thank you. It's so awesome to be able to admit and Lauren you your messages you send me. I can't even like I'm so happy to sit here and look at you and talk to you because when you send me those I really am like wow someone out there is like that mattered to me. Absolutely and I think that that's what we need to do, you know, not just, you know, teaching our kids and our clients and our friends, you know, that strength is beautiful and all that. But I also think that we if you see something in somebody speak it because here Is a fun fact for you Casey, so my husband comes and he goes to Jujitsu and he comes in at the end of our class. And you said something you said, you know, just trust your gut you've got this truster got trust the think they're my husband Express Jack knows what's up? Yes, and he says that to me now and I'm like that has impacted like this study process. It's impacted our marriage. It's a pet. You know that That those things and that's what you gave to me. And so I really feel like you know, if you see something beautiful on somebody you have to let them know because I mean you have no idea what's going on in people's life exactly when you're really impacting. So thank you for both of you for what you do. Excuse me for being you and coming on and I mean I feel so right now my like I have these like little Goosebumps about this episode. I feel so powerful and like it's going to be it's gonna help so many people that may be out there again not knowing that three of us that are coming off, you know, they've got their shit together. They've got this but guess what we all struggle with stuff and no one knows what you're going through. So reach out and also know that you have a platform here to come listen to hear things that are relatable and we have got you and Lauren I just have one recommendation for you. Yes, your Instagram account is letters and lifting. I think that it would be I think you should do it as at letters and up like a small up and then lifting because if you like to lift and you like the uplift people so that is divine. I was like looking at it and I'm like because like it's called letters guys because and go follow her great. It's called letters because her lettering is like literally perfect. It looks like a print look like a printer, but you were really cute and you're so calm. No, but it's not just like me being kind like trust me. I am picking on people's handwriting like I love hand, right? Okay. No, but here's the thing. It's like I told you yesterday. I literally followed your ABA studying journey and then started practicing hand lettering just I could but I can't do what you do and it's like amazing. I'm so happy. I mean, I just like love handwriting and it happens to work out well. Because as Casey knows because she always has typed outline for our podcast episodes because the end of my fingertips have like Thor's on the end. It also is a great replacement behavior for me because I could hold a pen and it doesn't hurt the tips of my finger. So again, the latter's call to action by her call to action, please post something and tag at Behavior bitches and use the hashtag life unfiltered hashtag and if we see something really good, we will Call you out for it on the episode. So everyone could see your picture with your acne or your stretch marks and I saw something great one time that was saying some people are wishing. They had stretch marks. So just remember that yeah, I love that. Okay, don't cry. I didn't mean to do that. So we love you. We all love each other. This is just so beautiful Lauren and I you for coming on and taking your time and facing a fear of coming on which I know was it that bad? It's just it's I don't weapon then by definitely texted Maggie this morning and I just do any tips and she's like these girls are amazing. It's going to be fine. Great. Yeah, we yeah, that's the thing is we just literally shoot the shit in like anti in Behavior principles because we know them and we want the field we want people to be able to listen and disseminate a ba in a relatable real wrong way all motivated and learn at the same time and also be like, oh my God, there's someone else struggling with this topic, you know, absolutely So, yeah, thank you Lauren letters and lifting dies of you. Yes, thinking of you and Casey, please add letters and liftings Instagram to the show notes. Okay doing it. Now as always guys. Thanks for tuning in. Love. You mean it.

Episode 8 baby. Feeling Great. We are back and excited to have one of our faves, Lauren Milburn on the show. She is opening up to us about her personal experience with eating disorders. Society has made it hard AF to live up to the expectations of what women should look like and apparently CARBS are BAD. GTFO. Healthy eating and exercise is the answer and Lauren is the epitome of that. We think this is a kick ass topic and something that everybody should listen to. As always we keep it real, raw, and relatable. Love ya, Mean it. Show Notes: Readings Go follow @letters_and_lifting Private Events Anderson, C. M., Hawkins, R. P., Freeman, K. A., & Scotti, J. R. (2000). Private events: Do they belong in a science of human behavior? The Behavior Analyst, 23(1), 1-10. Snyder, K., Lambert, J., & Twohig, M. P. (2011). Defusion: A behavior-analytic strategy for addressing private events. Behavior Analysts in Practice, 4(2), 4-13. Taylor, I., & O’Reilly, M. F. (1997). Toward a functional analysis of private verbal self-regulation. Journal of Applied Behavior Analysis, 30(1), 43-58. Eating Disorders and Behavior Analysis Beatiz Meyer, S. (2008). Functional behavior analysis of eating disorders. Journal of Behavior Analysis in Health, Sports, Fitness and Medicine,1(1), 26-33. Lappalainen, R., & Tuomisto, M. T. (2005). Functional behavior analysis of anorexia nervosa: Application to clinical practice. The Behavior Analyst Today,6(3), 166-177. Acceptance and Commitment Therapy/RFT Blackledge, J. T. (2003). An introduction to relational frame theory: Basics and applications. The Behavior Analyst Today, 3(4), 421-433. Harris, R. (2006). Embracing your demons: An overview of acceptance and commitment therapy. Psychotherapy in Australia, 12(4), 2-8. Harris, R. (2013). The illustrated happiness trap: How to stop struggling and start living. Boulder, CO: Shambhala Publications, Inc.  Torneke, N. (2010). Learning RFT: An introduction to relational frame theory and its clinical application. Oakland, CA: New Harbinger Publications, Inc. The Happiness Trap: Stop Struggling and Start Living Russ Harris Lifting and Behavior Analysis Moore, J. W., & Quintero, L. M. (1997). Comparing forward and backward chaining in teaching Olympic weightlifting. Journal of Applied Behavior Analysis, 52(1), 50-59. Right to Effective Treatment Van Houten, R., Axelrod, S., Bailey, J. S., Favell, J. E., Foxx, R.M., Iwata, B.A., & Lovaas, O. I. (1988). The right to effective behavioral treatment. Journal of Applied Behavior Analysis, 21(4), 381-384.

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Probably the loudest base I've ever heard in my entire life and that's saying something because my brother and Nick Moore Aldo and others were in car clubs that used to put twelves in the back. Cuz anyways, the boom booms are on there. Store and tomorrow's going to be a pretty electric day of belief among with Rich Eisen. I think it's 12 13. I have no idea one. I don't know somewhere in that time catch up with him chit chat with him. It's gonna be a great day in the conversations we have for you today. I think you're going to like, I think you're going to enjoy these. Pretty solid. So I mean II have some real questions is some people here today Juju. I have some real questions on. I think I think the situation between him and Antonio Brown is an interesting one. And I had to ask him about it. Very much in the camp that I hope Antonio Brown figures it all out and gets back in the league and becomes a great member of society and keeps it moving. I hope that very much. 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Now you use promo code Pat, you can $10 off your first order promo code McAfee $20 off your first order. All right, let's get to the damn show here. It's a good today. I will be traveling with a few of the boys down to Miami for the Super Bowl the last time I did this. Okay. The last time I traveled to Miami for Super Bowl, I was playing in the game and all week leading up to the Super Bowl friends and family were chit-chatting. It's the biggest game of all time and I was 22 year old 22 years old had no idea how to punt. Was riding the coattails of Peyton Manning after four years of riding the coattails of Pat White and Steve slate. And I mean, I just was riding coattails into these magical months Sugar Bowl Fiesta Bowl Gator Bowl Meineke Car Care Bowl. And now we had won 14 straight games in the regular season. I didn't even know how to pump but it didn't matter. We had Peyton Manning quarterback and a great defense. Then we chose to lose two games which everybody was very upset about the ogs of dim like how we want to knock out the 72 dolphins for being the only That was undefeated. But Bill polian made a decision for us to you know, rest the starters the last two weeks because we didn't have to play them or have to win. We had home field advantage. We win we get to the Super Bowl. Oh my God confettis flying. We're going to the Super Bowl and we take the trip down to Miami. It was incredible Peyton Manning took us out the first night to dinner and then some drinks afterwards get a nice night sleep the next night. I went out with the defense. We went to a couple adult ballets. We had a great time. It was a wild evening and then we all kind of hunkered down for the rest of the week. Okay, you know what everybody we got a party in out of us. We're down here in Miami. We got everything we could put it potentially want coming to us on Sunday. We got to play the New Orleans Saints Drew Brees. Let's go and hunker down so over the entire week. We did our practices and practices were different because you got all the stars are coming out we practice at the Miami Dolphins facility, which is very nice place by the way got palm trees ever very windy. I mean, it was a nightmare to punt and I might as well not even did anyways, I mean, I was just putting all over the place Chris Berman was walking her there was like people just come into our practice. That weren't normally they're shaking hands kissing babies. It was an entirely different world. Obviously, but when I was talking to my friends and family, they're like, hey, man, you could potentially be kicking off the Super Bowl and I was like, well, I don't want to think about that. I don't want that that's not going to happen so I can happen. So now as we get closer to the game, they're like, hey, you're going to kick off the Super Bowl. You cannot embarrass your family and your friends and like I'm that's not gonna happen. Don't worry about that. So we finally get to the game day. I jog got to warm up. I get a chance to talk to Deion Sanders right there lifelong dream being a big fan of that guy and I'm putting to Reggie Bush in the game. So I strike up. A little conversation with Deion. He has no idea exists. Obviously I go. Hey man, Reggie Bush's returner. What would you do if you were me and he was like keep it out of his hands boy. Well Dion, I wish I could control punts. Like you think I could I have no idea where this ball is going. I was drafted upon him no idea how to punch then as the game continues to go on. I see my my family and friends in the top row of the stadium top top top row of the stadium. Obviously when you're a rookie punter you get a lot of pull with your super. Tickets my family was at the top row they were literally they could have just rappelled down the outside of the stadium if they wanted to write. So I jog on the field. I see him up there. I'm like man, this is awesome. You know, this is really cool to be here. This is just for helping warm-ups or whatever. It might want friends. Like hey, you're going to kick off the super bomb. Like I don't even think about it. I don't even think about it. So as the game goes our as the warm-ups go on. I want to get a picture. My dad's got a camera, you know, it's like a magical moment. I have to go over to where the soup. Turbo 44 sign is or whatever on the field Drew Brees is on her warming up like through my dad. My dad's gonna carry you get the hell out of the way. Yeah. All right boylar up. So I stand there take a picture with my Dad. How's it going on man? Go to see you. It's you know, it's a light doesn't even feel like it's a real game. The crowd isn't like a dominant Saints crowd. It's on a dominance quotes crowd. It's just like an interesting crowd very corporate. You got a lot of people that just goes so just everything felt different and felt weird, you know, and as I go back inside, Tara's looking at me. He's not playing in the game because he was hurting like hey, there's only been a few minor people have kicked off a Super Bowl. It could be you and Mike Vinny. I'm already hearing from my friends and family. I don't need to hear from you. That is a massive mom and I'm not prepared for he's like will get prepared for the potentially have time. Like I hope not so we go out there. You got the national anthem. Carrie Underwood saying it she crushed obviously. It was a great singing performance and then it came time for the coin toss. Okay, and I'm just kind of walking around on the sidelines and they go out there and Drew Brees calls it boom. They win a Super Bowl heard they went in when toss and I go. Oh no, he's going to want the ball Drew Brees go with ball and they go the Saints have won the coin toss and they have elected to receive and I'm like damn it. Here we go. So I the equipment manager that I was talked to his name's frog frog had my tea every time frog Kim's comes up to me and he goes, hey, give it a ride kid and I go how about you? How about you don't he's like don't worry about it. You're going to be okay. I was like frog what if I hit the worst opening kickoff in the history of the Super Bowl. He's like you're not you're going to be good. I was like, I feel like there's a chance I could like at some point. Somebody's have the worst kickoff in the history of the Super Bowl at some point. Somebody's gonna kick this out of bounds. That could be me today goes. No, not you Pat. But if it was pretty memorable. Oh my God, so I get the tea and I go into the Huddle I Pat you want to kick it left? You want to kick it right? I said, let's just hope I get it off the tee. Okay, let's just hope I can I want to kick a dead straight at you. Okay, let's just do that. We'll just do a you sure. You don't want to kick left or right. Just want to get it off the team. Okay, you got it. So I go out onto the field. I put Mighty down and this is the first time in my life. I've really been incredibly nervous my entire life. This is the first time I've ever been incredibly nervous. I played in a lot of big moments and I've missed some big kicks, but I was never nervous. So I think it was always because I had a lack of nerves almost I was like kind of too relaxed in situations. It's the first time in my life where I could feel my entire sphincter just tied up as tight as it can possibly get it was tighter than the new Atlanta Stadium when I So nervous, so I go down and put the tea down and I look up and there's just a skycam like right here. I'm like well, why is that there? I mean so I go down I act like I'm fidgeting with the Tegan. I look back up and the ref walks over to me and he hands me the ball and he goes good luck today, man. If you're going to hit any onside kicks, just let us know what I'm not hitting an onside. Kick. I'm not psychic. I see what's your name? He said, my name is Greg. I was like great. Congratulations on getting a rest of the Super Bowl he goes Congrats to you two. I was like, let's see, you know, like let's see if this is a celebratory moment or not. He hands me the ball and goes good luck and I'm like YouTube Greg. So Greg backs out Greg Steve is his name. I put the tee the ball on the tee. I look back up skycams. Don't just stare at me. I'm like, well this thing get the hell out of here. So as I act like I'm putting the ball back down again skycam goes flying out of my gosh. This is awesome. So I take my steps back and it's the first time in my life. I really like took it in the moment. I'm going oh my God, I'm kicking off the Super Bowl. Right now this is pretty cool. And I normally would point to the farthest guy right see if he's ready. Like hey, you ready over there for this guy left you ready over there and that gives a signal to everybody else on the kickoff team that we're about to go is the first time I look to my right in the the way to kick-off themes are counted is outside and it goes 1 2 3 4 5 and then you let your l 1 2 3 4 5 my are five his eyes were glued open it look like I've never seen anybody that either scared or focused and I like looked at. At him like we ready ready - alright and you ready? Yep. I look up at the play clock. We're about to get a delay of game on the opening kickoff of the Super Bowl after all of this magic. So I go running at the ball and as I get about three yards for yards away from it flashes just start going off and I'm like Oh my is my penis. Oh my God flashes everywhere. I barely even make contact with the ball. It gets off. Obviously. Incredible photo that my mom and dad have it the house and me kicking it off and it wasn't the best kick off in the history of the Super Bowl but wasn't the worst kick and that my friends is damn good news. I'm excited to get down to Miami. I'm excited to do the radio row thing tomorrow morning. I'm excited to watch the hundredth NFL season come to the end this weekend and although it brings up terrible memories in hindsight. I really wish we would have won the coin toss and got the ball. Because that second half kickoff really ended up to be a pretty important play in the history of the things Sean Payton talked about that this morning. I'm pro football talk. He said they were banking on Hank Baskett bailing and instead Hank Baskett didn't bail. It just took a bad hop before the before he could get the hang of it and or the hold of it and I'll tell you what that guy's life has never been the same since a moment and there's a lot of people that get blamed for the loss of that game and none of them are me and I feel very very good about that. But there's obviously a lot of memories here and none of them are good. None of them are good. I mean getting to play in the Super Bowl I guess is cool getting the kickoff and Super Bowl is cool. But heading back down there. It's basically they're having a celebration of the Saints team that won ten years ago everything. I mean, it's just I can't wait to get down there joining us now representing putting on for Gatorade more specifically Bolt. For a pro bowler an internet sensation a man who is an absolute stud on and off the field ladies and gentlemen wide receiver of the Pittsburgh Steelers Juju smooches. How are you? Brother? I'm doing great man. Thank you. I appreciate that. Guide me on the show. Hey, no problem. Thank you for coming on your Legend. Let's talk about both 24 and what it means to you and what ruined specific what is Gatorade trying to do about 24 so both 24 Basically new product that's also build, you know, basically I use it for our generation electrolytes when I'm gaming when I'm outside hanging out chilling. I'm in the club and you know, you know, I drink it is the best fuel for your body and when I'm competing obviously I use Gatorade. Okay. Well, I respect the hell out of that eye. I was with Gatorade for a while. Then I hopped over to PD like during my party. Here's and then I rub back to Gatorade. Obviously, it's Optimal Performance in both 24 is delicious. Now, let's talk about you Juju. You were a guy who got it. When it came to being an entrepreneur and everything like that off the field, utilizing your platform and your incredible abilities in the NFL to propel yourself off of the field now, I'm from Pittsburgh, right? So whenever I saw you doing this and taking advantage of this type of opportunity off the field and becoming this super celebrity that you become in the gaming world and on YouTube. I knew that there was a chance and I was also somebody who is very active business-wise while playing I knew that there was a chance if any type of stumble in your playing came whether it was an injury Or anything like that would happen that users in particular would hold everything that you were doing off the field against you that's kind of happened this year by dumb people not smart people but dumb people. Did you get to hear any of that noise this year? You were riddled with injury beginning of the season a coach passes away. I mean, this was a tough year from you and I'll for you and a lot of people started targeting the internet stuff because of it over sure man, you know, we we don't perform at the highest level to have high expectations the first thing you hear about it. Always pay too much video games always do too much random stuff too many sponsors. He's doing too much stuff off the field, you know, and that's like that's I think that's how it was but you know for myself, you know, I just take Focus, you know, I brought out the noise. Those are the things that are older that I knew I was going to come with, you know with me here and all that. So it was a tough season, you know, the situation we have with different quarterbacks me having my own personal injuries or my knee and stuff. But then it had a you know, I still came out healthy and finish the season strong you are no stranger. Jerr, so going through hard times. I looked into your story a little bit your high school. From what I read during your high school years. You were sleeping on the floor of a garage basically with the rest of your family. Then you go to USC you become a superstar. And then now you're in the NFL taking care of your family. It's a beautiful story of a guy that goes now I don't want to say rags to riches but from Hard Times to Good Times. Is that something you lean on for whenever you get maybe, you know people coming after you in a sad way that you're mentally tough to get through anything. Yeah, for sure man. I think my mental is very very tough in a situation where you know, I've been to the lowest, you know from you know, what Jake said start from the bottom. I'm not upset with myself man. It's always about like I didn't have any of this and you know, I'm grateful for all of us and I'm humble. So all I could do is go up here Juju you you never ever stop being the entrepreneur that you are. I just wanna let you know the game will end at some point for everybody this entrepreneur and this real estate. That you're gathering on the internet will be here forever. It's very intelligent of you. I want you to let you know that no matter what anybody says you can tell them go fornicate themselves as the man. I appreciate that. Hey, no problem. I did a lot of this whenever I was playing not to your level, but I did a lot of the same thing and I knew that if I had any stumbles at all or and I was a much less important player to the team, but I knew that if I wasn't perfect people are going to say things I saw us are happening to you and I was like, I hope he doesn't get shy or shy away from this now. I got to Pivot. You became the number one. I'm guy which will automatically becomes with a lot of pressure. The guy that you were in a wide receiver meeting room with Antonio. Brown has been a known hater publicly of yours. Did you see this coming whenever you two were teammates are this kind of come out of nowhere. They carry came out of nowhere, you know came out of left field. I did not expect to see any of this, you know, very that to me about you know, the before my first couple of years like, you know, we always talk about being great and you know dominating and that's what we did. You know, I last time that we played with each other, you know, we both had over a thousand yards. Catches and you know, what's going on right now off the field social media wise there's it's pretty pretty crazy. You're not expecting this. Yeah, it seems as if and now this is from an outsider's perspective and I actually had a pretty good relationship with Antonio Brown as I assume you did as well whenever he started taking shots at you. I think a lot of people are like man, why is he acting like this towards Juju instead of helping him out in building him up, which I assume that you guys did whenever you're in wide receiver room is that accurate where you to a team that was trying to help each other out for a long time and then all of this is kind of just Boom, what is happening? Yeah. Yeah, man, it was thought was you know, we're kind of like, you know have her hand like this both be great. Let's go through this as both, you know reach our goal and then, you know, the situation will happen, you know with him and with the sons, you know, it's tough tough situation. Okay. So let's let's pivot to Mike Tomlin because what you guys are able to do this year without Ben Roethlisberger trading information Fitzpatrick being able to get as many wins as you did in a potential playoff run almost what is my tongue? Unlike as a coach and does he get that? Why doesn't he get his enough respect? I think his other coaches do My timing I mean why I think he's one of the best question ever had is because he's so authentic. He's so real he keeps the houses. He doesn't beat around the bush. He's one of the coaches that he'll tell you straight up. You know how if you're gonna lose your job or you know you position your and you know how it is and it just so crazy because you know a lot of guys, but I will now I want to help you but now my time is walking to me even like know if you're not producing you're not doing this like we got other pairs ready to come back home is on a couch ready to play so One of those guys that's always keeps it real. What are you doing this offseason to get better at football man. I'm training with this training for Italian. He's a one-on-one session, but he can't like Michael Jordan lot of other guys, you know, just, you know, get it laying losing weight cutting up getting faster working on rocks or something like that. So I'm trying to sign next level Ben Roethlisberger. Is this quarterback that has been perennially great. I mean literally legitimately massive numbers great. Quarterback, but off the field, sometimes he says things where people go that's not what Elite quarterbacks do this year while Ben was on the bench and while he was injured, you know, was he around was he helping out as much as possible? And how do you view your relationship with Ben Roethlisberger? So my relationship with Ben is amazing is actually pretty awesome. You know, my first year was kind of tough because he don't he doesn't like a rookie. Don't have to work towards that prove myself that I can play with him. And that's what I did. So I relationship is great. You know this off heat them in this past season, you know, he's been here. He's been injured since week two, you know, he's been around actually he's been traveling he's been in office. He's been helping us out. He just one of those guys and I just wants the best for the team. All right. Hey, what's the streamer Bowl what's going on with that? And are you going to win it? Yeah. Yeah, man. Well my boy Booga today move this one eye one eye surgery you want to ask before and I woke up as a solo player. So be cool. Men cheering Bose basically everybody has to do that's going to be gaming space like a to be to with a professional for a player and a pro athlete. How long have you been in the game? You've been a gamer for the recent history here. And are you worth a damn? That is very very very very long time. Are you gonna very long time? Are you good? Yes top in it. When you play Madden you throw the ball to yourself every time. Yeah, usually after. Then again violent get the ball enough. I just go home and talk to myself. You also be a part of the pre-fight Productions and I donned his own for the Jake Paul fight. What are you looking forward to that? Matt is my first fight. I'm super excited for you know, just beyond the Zone hang out with a guys everybody out there messing be cool to see Jake Paul, you know go out there and just go out there and just dominate man's suicide, you know as a big YouTuber I All my family watches him as we're pretty close to go out there and I'm gonna do to you should go duck hunting with Doc for a YouTube video. That's just something I'm thinking. Yeah. I'm just washing does it to our team? I have to give you the answer. You're asking good idea Matthew. That's pretty cool. What like that and what do you do whenever you're thinking of videos concepts for your you do you have a team with you? You do a lot of great stuff like even in Pittsburgh lot of charitable stuff on your YouTube you do a lot of really good. What is the process behind that whole thing? They honestly meant by wake up one day and I was like, yeah, I want to do this. Let's do it. So for example how to water balloon fight like two days before like it's almost like also like three four hundred people showed up and I always liked a bigger War Room find this book today before it is all spontaneous. And what's going on in the world. However, I feel how much I want to spend but it's pretty cool man the money you spend you make it back in YouTube Hey, man. Hey, hey man. Amen. He's and gentlemen Pro baller a guy who's going to get back in the good graces with the city of Pittsburgh next year whenever he dominates not that he isn't already but just a dummy answers out there wide receiver from Pittsburgh Steelers YouTube sensation about to be a streamer Bowl champion, and you can catch him on tonight's pre-fight production with his own Juju Smith shoes. Thank you JoJo. Thank you very much that Antonio Brown stuff is interesting came out of nowhere. I was excited to talk to literally the only thing I want to ask you about was that because what you call them poopoo Booboo Schuster, that's what it's called. But the thing that ends only around with do that like a lot of people from the outside now, obviously we're learning more and more about Antonio Brown as the days go on right? I think we're all learning more and more about him and Antonio Brown. I still feel as if there's a chance for him to potentially turn us all around if he gets his mental health checked out, right if you can figure out a way to get his chemicals balance, which is something that has to happen for some people and he can get back into it. That would be great. It feels like that's what Happening I'm no doctor, but whenever he started going after Juju, a lot of people are very I was like, why is he going after Judy because he looks bitter whenever that happens. And that's kind of what took well, I think it's because Juju one Team MVP the year before and a be was not happy about that but scarce. Well, he does of if I didn't I would really mean yeah judges and for people who come at Juju for like doing all that, he's 23 years old man. He's a kid. Yeah. He's smart though. Yeah. And by the way, whenever you're sleeping on a garage for whenever you're in high school and that with your six siblings and I mean and now you've made it it's like you know what I want to make sure this money is coming forever and Granny he's going to have to have a better year. He's going to have to dump now granny. He got hurt his coach passed away. There's a lot of things that fall into that especially being a professional athlete whenever you're at 75% You're not going to look as good as you did a potentially ninety or a hundred percent which I think happened but I think for him, I think he gets back in and Dominic's next year. 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You got to be a good human. It's one you'll carry for the rest of your life. I was Walter Payton man of the year for the Colts. I still talk about in remember to this day. Congratulations on all the incredible work and In the community, is that something you really focus on? I'd assume yeah. Yes, I do. It's a big part of who I am as a person. I want to give back. You know, I I've given sweatshirts off my back. That's just what is what I'm about, you know, someone's in need I'm there for him and was on my wife and I Foundation the Van Noy Valor Foundation. We strengthen those in our communities foster care adoption and struggling Youth and we just want to give them success for the future. And whatever it is they want to do and that's what I want to do with Nationwide. I want to take that next step nationally with them and I hope I'm picked so I can help Partnerships amazing speech planned. Hell no off the top baby Kyle. You're a very confident man. You're good on a camera. You're good in conversation, but some of those people that choose to go off the top of those Awards me. Become viral moments for being terribly know I got to tell you a quick one. So the Patriots do one they give every year. It's the wrong Burton Award right and they don't tell you I go up in front of all the sponsors for New England all my players and I say I'm so thankful for the family of Ron and before I even thought about it. Almost said burgundy and I and my body just like stop and then one of my teammates is in a bag like Burton said keep it classy now. Obviously I have to ask you. Hey this year for the Patriots was different. This is a different year for you guys. This was a different year up there. There's a lot of conversation in chatter surrounding Foxborough including you. I think you're a free agent as well. What is your fear we go. Yeah. Hey only they don't only free agent. I know is Tom Brady. Hey, are you feeling a little bit? Let's get it. We can't talk about Tom. You know, I've been going up storms over here. I think I won radio show I said, he's retiring another one. I told you going Las Vegas. Another one is moving out of the country. I've been sewing for storm. He's gonna have a hell of a time answering all my questions. Okay, hold on. So for the Batman TV show here, what do you think is going to happen with Tom Brady? Well, I think Tom Brady's going to stay at home. All of these things are legitimately possible. Let's talk about your future though. What is your plan? What are you thinking? Well, you just had an incredible season that defense was dominant. You got to be thinking that things are going to be very good for you this offseason as you hit free agency. Yeah, I think I'll have some option but I want to do kind of what's best for my family and I want to set up my my little Legend financially. So obviously he's going to work his ass off that ain't happening. But if things go south, you know, I'll have a plan set up for him too. He can take care of himself. What's your little Legends name for a legend? Oh Trey Legend. I forgot that's what's his name. That's an incredible day. That is an absolutely. I'm crazy. But I'm now here's a question winning. The Walter Payton Man of the Year in New England is a massive deal because that means you've taken care of that community in a beautiful fashion. Now, you're hitting free agency. Is that something that's going to like way in it heavy because you're big in the community up. Here it is. I would love to stand in England. Not only because of the fan base and what Massachusetts now means to me, but more importantly the players no friendships that I made with. Those players runs deep, you know, they're going to be they're my brothers for life what we've gone through. I know you said it's a different season in New England just because we lost and didn't go to the Super Bowl but we made the playoffs how many teams can say that and not many we did that and obviously we didn't reach our goals, but I like how people say it's a different in New England only because we didn't make the Super Bowl which is absolutely Insanity. So we still have it. We had a good successful season. It just didn't end with the right result. We want to do with making it to the top isn't that insane though? That's that really is what this all Spurs around the fact that the New England Patriots didn't make the Super Bowl the Super Bowl is like a home for you guys. Shane legler made like a straight Pro bowls or something like that. So they're like, hey, he has a little illegitimate Locker at the Pro Bowl if he doesn't make you guys have a legitimate locker room at the Superbowl. That's what it felt like for the last 20 years. So anytime you don't hit that. That's a massive. Everybody's like oh they're dead. Yeah, I do have a question for you. Do you feel because I feel this that it doesn't have the same juice this year that it has in previous years Kyle this feels as if you're asking a question that has a very personal reason behind it and maybe a little bit of an ego. No, it's more it's more I'm speaking of New England. I'm not speaking of myself thinking of New England. Do you feel like the juices? Different this year than previous years. I do think the join back. Even you could go back all the way to the Steelers and Cardinals game. I guess. You're right. It does feel as if there's not as much as now granted devastating loss at the beginning of the week to a legend in the Sports World, right? So true that true that became something and I think even if you guys were there that would be something I would have dominated the first half of the week because a lot of tributes to be paid, um, you know what I mean, but your honor percent right though. There's not a lot of storylines coming out of the Super Bowl other. Everybody wondering if Patrick Muhammad's is going to be able to defeat that defense and your eyes good defense be good offense your defensive player. I assume you figure that I thought well, I personally I don't think these teams match up very well with each other - that's my personal take defensively. They have strengths and weaknesses on the Niners offensively the Chiefs have strengths and weaknesses, you know, but the Niners offense is really good the chief defense. His playing good at late. It's the I just don't think they match up very well. You think you think you think are it out offense wins over this whole thing? You think my home should be able to figure it out. You think Andy Reid finally gets one first time in 50 years. The Chiefs have been in Super Bowl. Yeah Andy Reid's the hell of a coach give them two weeks, but it's the same thing with Shanahan. I think the Niners will because they're going to get enough stopped and I don't think the chief defense will My you have questions X. Oh no. I was just going to say earlier that he was saying that there's not enough or not as much energy around simple. I think it's because the fans are like 50/50 split when New England was in 99 percent of the country was ruining against New England stir. Everybody hates you girl. Yeah. Everybody hates you guys. I think when you come on installer point, but only point a lot of people a lot a lot of people tweet me whenever you're on the show that they don't want to like you. I would like to hate you strictly because you're a patriot and you make it very difficult. That's something to think about as you go into this offseason. Well, you are in Coke Nation, you you love ND they hate they hate the Patriots. Now. What about hate runs deep marry. You even hate you even hate me, but you got to get out of here hired as a head coach good higher for the Giants I think so, I think so if he if he can Hey, yeah, he's a ball of energy if he can take his energy he has and consistently each and every day line it up with that positive energy and not go woohoo all over the place. I think they're going to be really really good because he's a really good coach. He loves football. That's not me selling him and she's straight back. He loves football. I mean his country So speaking he's all over the place. I don't know country. But when he gets going his money, he loves football. I'm excited for him with the giant last goes Giants, right? Oh, they have a lot of money before we get out of here. Is that little brace that you have on your left ring finger. The reason why the Patriots lost this year. Was that a devastating injury there? Well if he was on my middle finger, Man of the Year, brother, will you ladies and gentlemen? Thank you. I appreciate it. Sought out to shout out to Nationwide man there Grace. Hey Austin top there that speech I can't wait to hear it. Ladies and gentlemen, Calvin. Was it going? I'm not making her head bigger. I'm seriously I love what you're doing. You're killing it man. I thank you so much. Good luck. Go in that Walter Payton man with your hair like you anytime you want to come on here you let me know. Okay. Okay, and then the hair he's a he's a good dude. Yeah. Classic dude, man class about as good as they come. Yeah, and everybody the first time he's on the show. All anybody said was I don't want to listen to this because I would like to hate the Patriots and he makes it very difficult to hate the Patriots. He's a free agent though and they just had a monster year on the defensive side of the ball for New England. Normally you could tell if a team is goodbye when they cut a player if another team picks him up, right? So For a while on our team we would cut a player. Nobody would pick him up the Patriots got a player that person is claimed on waivers. The next stage is no it's just like hey, we trust Belichick enough that if you brought them in there's a reason he was in their dominant there. He's going to the market. There's going to be a lot of money out for little Legend out there film. Junkie film rat Fred Warner, who's a budding young linebacker? Another BYU guy loves Kyle Van Noy said, he's the reason he's as good as he is now and he's improved as much as he is because he banned noise the guy who taught him. Hey, you gotta watch film like this. That's that's what been annoyed does for a lot of the other guys around Walter Payton Man of the Year huge that is that is something that says okay off the field. This guy start just as much he is on the field good for Calvin Lee. Welcome back to the boom-booms. They're still going over there. I don't think there's a single human at the party, but they have been either testing the sound system to Max or they've been having a party for just a couple of people and if a couple of people just rented the whole place out. I'm talking about honestly, that's what I'm talking about. We've we parked the plane. There was more yachts in more big planes that I've ever seen in my entire life ever. There might be more money in Miami right now than any other City nod to buy problem. Thank you. There's a lot of rich people here. And if to rich people just run it out this entire party and have them play Max speakers. That's my favorite thing I've ever heard and it could be happening. There. Here's digs. By the way. Did you just came into the conversation? We are standing at the end of a two-time Olympic length pool. Is that an accurate statement? Yeah, two-time Olympic length pool. We are in a place that we should not be people walking by the we don't know obviously palm tree. 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If you just completely shanking that off the back of a head and of offense alignment? It was a crapshoot. No doubt about it. It's a dropkick in the middle of that field was dirt and bunches of grass. Yes, and I had to find a nice smooth spot to dry. And it was I've kept my fingers crossed because it could have gone anywhere then a Terry actually was on the brink of breaking a record with the Patriots or maybe a league record and I kicked that dropkick at the last regular season point of the regular season. He had to wait till the following year to break the record. He went he wasn't very happy about it, but it was a fun moment when I hit it. I knew I hit it solid and it was up and grew and all that but fears. Only very good chance that could have gone anywhere and it was the last play of my career. And if I missed that my wife has to live live with me the rest of the life that would have been God would have been one frustrated person. That was the last time you stepped on a field right there. That was my last play. Did you knew it? God kind of thought you knew it going out there to like this. Is it for me? This is the last one. I've had this legendary career in Canadian football league. I've come over to the NFL. I've had fantastic thing. I did great in college this it all comes down. To the final taste in my mouth is this complete now? Great. I'm a pretty good drop kicker. But if you had to ask me do in the middle of the game, I've no idea how it would go with the timing and everything it all comes down to this for your taste in your mouth forever. I did not know that yeah, I and my wife's in this and thinking the same thing she goes I'm gonna have to deal with this if he misses it. She's the only one who stands in their what was going on and I know I realize I'm not going to play in the playoffs you got Tom Brady we got well Matt Cassel was there at the time and I wasn't going to play Brady's going to go with me and Super Bowl. And hopefully and she's up in the stands trying to explain to people when she sees me jog out in the field. She knows what's going on and she's telling her friends. Oh my God, he's gonna dropkick. Oh my God. There's a whacked. What are you talking about? No way. So it was it was a tense moment for her. Thank goodness. Bella check told me like the two seconds before I ran on the field because we had practiced it to do it a couple of weeks earlier and ended up not doing it and hadn't even talked about it for two week. So it was very spur-of-the-moment and I didn't have time. Time to get nervous. I just ran out and get him. We're happy for you. That's not easy to do. You're a stud for that. Now, let's talk about Tom Brady who you just mentioned in there. Okay. He's older you played until you're older. I think you could still play right now. If you had to what do you think is a realistic expectation of Tom Brady here to finish out his career. I think he I don't think it went to end on a pick six. I don't think he wants to end on a bad taste in his mouth. He still is playing at a supremely high-level. I say I think Tom's got two or three years if he wants them. Yeah. I it's all in motivation what motivates a guy at his age that has had the success he's had for me. I have I'm still trying to prove people I can play at 57 years old. So that's why I But I played so it's 43. That's why I kept playing as long as I did Tom doesn't need that but he still is driven. And as long as he's Drew physically it is not a problem. His arm is still there, the mental capacity gets stronger and stronger for him and he still has that fire in them. And the phones that fires are you can play as long as you once I needed to play at 43 years old for me to be successful. I said I had to be athletic. I still had to make people miss and move around Tom doesn't need to do that. He needs his arm in Standing there and he still has that so the ceiling I mean he can play as long as he wants to play but it comes down to how driven is. He is the fire still there. And right now it is the tv12 treatment. I mean, it's very I don't know if they have the flu T flakes in the TB 12 lifestyle. But is that have you ever heard of anything? Like have you take it back to Sunday morning routine on the TV 12 routine? It's Sunday morning. The TB 12 thing is something that is capped. The attention of a lot of athletes though this ability to have pliability in your muscles and your pH levels and then the food that you eat and all that stuff. Is that something that you mess around with when you play it or do you just trying to be I stopped at McDonald's on the way to the facility I grab pizza at night, but I just say I'm going to eat what I want and I'll run an extra five miles. I don't care I was a workout nut. But my thing was I didn't lift weights heavy. I did very light lifting. I left it on my legs a little bit Iran Hills Walter. It and taught me to rent running hills when we were in Chicago together. That was my leg strength. I was about flexibility pliability and just a and loosen Nimble the extra five to ten pounds of bulk. We're not going to save me from getting hurt from a 280 300 pound guys. So I always want to see quick light on my feet and flexible and it wasn't a science for me, but I think things are here that way now, I think people that have all these injuries. I agree with Tom it's the Ability, especially as you get older which is much more important. Okay, so you just mentioned a man's name there who's up has an award named after him for being a good human Walter Payton. Now you've been around the CFL the NFL all of these legendary Players whose one player that sticks out in your mind you go. Damn. That guy was a freak on the football field. Athletically, yeah, athletically the first bit while for me in Buffalo Eric Moulds at wide receiver. It was crazy to me. Eric Moulds was just he got me to Pro Bowl. That's all I emailed the used one-on-one. He's getting the ball on throwing to eat the other. Well, I played with Walter right at the end to his career, but Meganium Tomlinson came in as a rookie in San Diego carrying the football and he'd make guys It's in a phone booth. We were playing the Patriots to unblock Defenders coming through a hole in a simple dive play. He made a little jump cut made a miss or against the Patriots up through 64-yard touchdown run. He's sheer ability to accelerate make people Miss is crazy. But for me guys, I played with those are the two that stand out to me. Athletically. I should have done more research. You're in Buffalo Chicago the Chargers New England CFL. Anywhere else. Usfl Donald Trump, New Jersey generals. My rookie year that League blasted the official Herschel Walker with my tail back Maurice carthon at fullback Kent toll perennial pro bowler was our Center. We had 15 guys on that team go to the Pro Bowl later. Absolutely. I'm surprised that in his speeches now. Everybody's talking about Tom potentially leaving New England and going and playing somewhere else. They're like, you know, the grass isn't always greener when he go to another organization, you've played in three different leagues different facilities different organizations. Is there something to that thought that Tom should think about her do you do find respect everywhere? The number one thing is staying in the same office for year after year after year Tom has built on that you guys can come in you can line people up right away. You can make adjustments on the Fly you can see things on the field. Field you can do things with terminology that just are instantaneous in a reaction because you've done it before we did this five years ago against Green Bay. We did this against who at all that goes a long way to your comfort zone. If you go to a new team new people new terminology. It's starting over and it's a nightmare. It's very difficult. I bounced around a lot. That was my biggest frustration in my career was I couldn't stay in the same system for a long period of time and continue to build on things. And that is a big big aspect of it. And then you can go see into a situation where the team is just not as talented and you don't even have an opportunity to win. Okay, so like for instance right now Philip Rivers is in Florida. He moved his family from San Diego to Florida. He wasn't willing to move to Los Angeles when he went to Los Angeles, but a lot of people are saying there's potential interest from the Buccaneers and Philip Rivers that be a brand new offensive be a Bruce Arians offense. Is it hot, is it going to be very difficult for these quarterbacks who have all this experience in the NFL? They've been there done that. Everything Philip Rivers hasn't won a Super Bowl but damn near everything else. He's done. It would it be that difficult to pick up a new offense at this later stages life? You can pick it up. There's a difference between knowing the offense and knowing your reads and then knowing that like the back of your hand and and being able to call one things instantaneously with the shot clock going down to three seconds on the play clock and I want to change the protection and I want to get to a route because I see this or that it's something you've done for 15 years. It's automatic to you. You recognize things. You know, now you recall is all this get to the what do we call that? Okay, we'll call it and you're late or there's just that little bit of hesitation. It's just different. It's not to the same level. Mr. Flutie We're in Indiana. I take frequent trips to South Bend. All they talk about is getting Urban Meyer's as the head coach of Notre Dame you have any insight into that? I don't I think Careful what you ask for Ryan Kelly is 110 and about a good four years in a row with ten wins undefeated Seasons playing for a national championship playing in the college football playoff just a year ago and 11 win season this year and he had gone undefeated and got beat in the college football playoffs a year ago. And this year went 11 game and I have somebody walk up to me in South Bend say when are we going to be good? I mean anyone. One team wins it all II think he's got a phenomenal job. There's different. They're different challenges at Notre Dame the academic requirements. So what Brian Kelly will not and and he said it to this year. He's like, you know what we used to bring him one or two kids that were marginally year that maybe we should get in but you spend 70% of your time trying to keep that kid eligible and fight putting out fires and trying to help the kit you spend 70% of your time with the one or two kids. It's not worth it anymore. They don't make that. That big of a difference for your program to have those so he just you know, he's going with this quality kids that meet the recommendations in the requirement that Notre Dame and and that's what you have. They still have a lead athlete that especially the defensive line that go and compounds and play in the NFL. They have that caliber Talent without having to deal with a lot of the issues off with you. All right, Doug before we let you go. Where can I buy Flutie flakes at? I'm a Serial quick little flakes.com. Yeah, we brought them out again this year. I went up to Buffalo is phenomenal visit and they were jumping off the shelves again. It's all for autism Doug Flutie jr. Foundation for all occurs. And so it's all the support that it was one of the Super Bowl this weekend. And of course the most points greatest quarterback, and I know the pass rush is great for San Francisco. That's the big matchup, but I'll go Tasty ladies and gentlemen legend in the football World Flutie flake Creator Doug Flutie. Thank you Doug Thank God now joining us new head coach of the Washington Redskins a man who could have taken any NFL job after what he did for the Carolina Panthers the legendary Riverboat Gambler Ron Rivera. Boy, I tell you what the build up like that. I better not screw it up. Well coach my first question. Thank you so much for joining us. By the way. Congratulations on the gig. Why did you could have taken? I don't know if you know this, but the rest of the world knew this you could have taken any job you wanted as a head coach because of how high revered You Are by everybody. Why the Washington Redskins? Well, you know what this thing Pat was one things that I did as I was as I got out of it Carolina my press conference. I told folks. Hey, look, I don't want to wait around. Don't want to take a year off. I want to get back into it. I love the games games been outstanding to me and I just feel like they have a lot to offer and so as I was going through the process and reflecting the opportunity with the Redskins came up and so I had an opportunity to talk to several people that knew mr. Schneider and a lot of positive things were said and then I got connected with Joe Gibbs and Coach gives a nice spent some time on the phone talking then I had an opportunity met with mr. Schneider we talked about sir. Certain things he told me hey take a look at our roster. So I started breaking down their roster. I watch some game taper everybody. I saw on tape I wrote up, you know, everybody from the kicker The Long Snapper the punter I want to make sure I got that in there for you and Adam and then I did all they did offense defense, but then I looked at the roster on paper and I looked at how young that came was. I looked at the last three drafts and the success that have with those players those guys were playing a lot of football and they're playing pretty good pretty competitive. They worked hard at that. That that competing they didn't want a lot of football games, but they were young guys that played and I thought that that meant something but then after sitting down with the owner talking about his philosophy on things talking about his vision the plan the process what he saw what he thought and then I shared my my Outlook on things and we had a great conversation when I finished with that I went back and I met with Joe Gibbs and everything I had talked about with mr. Schneider Joe was right behind my house. We talked about that and it made me realize that there's a fit that there's a there's a there's a good fit. That's so interesting because now you know this the pr behind Dan Snyder is not always a good one. So I mean, so I assume that you potentially had in your mind like hey, I don't know if I could do this and after meeting him you had a complete 180 is that accurate? I did I had a complete 180 but also talking to several people that knew mr. Schneider on a more intimate basis. Please let it work for him people that work with them and people who didn't work with them, but from The outside in knew what was happening. And so it was just interesting to hear their perspective. It really was and everything seemed to match up. I did not come across a negative person other than people that were with them 20 years ago 15 years ago. What I heard was all the positive things that people have worked with them in the last ten to five years. That's awesome to hear by the way. Can't wait to see you succeed there to succeed. They're going to have to make a quarterback decision right Dwayne Haskins their played great football at the end of the season they were giving people Headaches great teams are giving them real headaches. Alex Smith is coming back from an injury. You have the number two pick you have a lot of big-time decisions to make I assume you haven't been finalized on any of these. But which way are you leaning in that department? Well, the biggest thing is and this is one of the philosophies that we carried into when I got the Carolina and that was we had the ID who are franchise quarterback was we've got to be able to protect them with a positive offensive line and tied in that can help a lock and we had to put Playmakers around it. And so that was our plan going forward. We'll look at you. What we have right now with the Redskins the biggest thing we noticed Dwayne showed sir problem. We did a lot of good things of the Young quarterback. He was a first-round pick remind me a little bit of our guy that we had in Carolina Alex Smith, as you mentioned potentially coming back off the lake if Alice comes back and you see any semblance of the player he was in the past. We've got a good player there. We also have a good young developing player, which means is going to create some competition. These guys are going to push each other help them develop Alex history with Patrick my home's as outstanding dealing with the Young quarterback and we could get the same type of situation here again. Hoping that Alex is healthy. Thank you compete you look at this draft. There's a lot of big names at the top but it's also littered with very talented people. You have a very valuable pick their number to do you see a lot of work needed to the Washington Redskins roster or we take a shot on a big guy. You think it's going to be interesting everything is on the table. I mean, we don't know what we're going to do with the number two pick. We know what's going to happen in front of us how human we don't know what's going to happen in front of us. They've got to make a decision first Cincinnati does and then we'll go from there. So we're going to take a look at everything. We're going to break it down. We're going we're going to interview players. We're going to scout players. We're going to go to the pro days. We're going to bring them out to see us we're going to go through the entire process and we're going to weigh our options. Nothing is set. I mean our roster is in set, but I do like who we have we've got a lot of quality football players that we think if we can add some more get them to buy into the way we want to do things have them believe in the system. We have a chance coach. I don't want to ask you about The rearview mirror but it's last question before I let you go Carolina Panthers hire Matt rule. They have a massive decision to make down there with Cam Newton or did it go a different direction from what you know of Cam Newton. How do you think he's going to respond and bounce back? So I promise you this is Kim's healthy and ready to roll don't bet against it. I would I would knowing cam as I've had for the last 9 years. I would never bet against him II just know that a healthy Cam Newton on the football field with the heck of a football player man. He's bigger than everybody faster than everybody and he's Maestro, I we played you guys on Monday Night Football down there and he was basically controlling the entire state of Carolina was unbelievable. That's that's that's the one thing about him is he can orchestrate a game and it's almost like he's playing that and because he sees things and and the nice thing is we give you know, we had given cam the opportunity to do certain things to make changes that took feel change place that to create Temple if he had to and again as I said, the one thing that we hadn't had in the last two seasons was That was the healthy camps everything he's done. But you know, he had the procedure on the foot the shoulder. He got arrested all year because he didn't play after the second game. So again if he's healthy and if he's in the right state of mind, I would never bet against me coach. What are your thoughts on Lukey Luke Luke Kuechly retiring. Well, you know, I had the opportunity to visit with Luke beforehand and just listening to him talk. It was one of those things where the right situation the right moment in time had come, you know, he had battled through, you know several. Injuries early on and then a lot of his guys were leaving. There is a transition going on with the organization. So the timing for him, he felt was right. Hey, I support him 100% I really truly do supportive and I'm very happy for him that he made the decision himself because he gonna be coaching with you here in a little bit. Huh. Now you never know. What's going to go on with him. I tell you this much right now. I know he's fishing and hunting right now. It's the Washington Redskins got a great head coach. We're all very happy for you to be back in the league. The leak wasn't as good whenever you weren't coaching can good luck. Congratulations. Ladies and gentlemen, Ron Rivera. Thank you man. Thanks. I appreciate it guys. No problem. See you. Good guy right there. Good guy Richter higher success good hires. He had Scott Turner is is OC mild radio partner, Jack Del Rio's is defensive coordinator. And you said it there's a lot of quality said there's a lot of quality guys in there us that Haskins performance at the end of the year was a lot better than it. I think I even thought it was gonna be very interesting that he compared Alex Smith and Haskins the Mahomes like Thank you. Like hey, maybe Alice is going to start or yeah, that's what he said. He's a good player. If he's anywhere near there. They'll battle also you get Chase young that changes things up quite a bit. That's like a bow so low level. Yep. Impact Player 1 if he would just said, yeah, we're going to drive change. Yeah said it right that in there. Like Cincinnati gets Borough will take Chase young they've drafted really well in terms of quality defensive players last five years. Amen. They got a good roster there can people headaches good for Ron Rivera. Thanks to him. All right, that's the show for the day. I can't thank you all enough for choosing to listen to this. It was a field of Friday. I know you don't have to listen to this show and the fact that you do I appreciate muy mucho if you like the show, please tell your friends if you didn't okay, if you didn't like the show and just just act like it never fucking happen. All right, what have a great weekend? Hopefully the greatest week in your life is superb owl on Sunday. I got the Chiefs. Let's see what the fuck happens. Thai place of independent music

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All right, welcome to the digital identity podcast. I am Terry join me here is been on Carlos from their R&D team at sulky and all of us are soft keys. So let's do some introductions. So first off then who are you and what do you do? Hey guys, I'm Ben. I work in R&D at sulky and basically we're doing work around like, you know digital identity like Chain Solutions decentralization and you know a few other things here and there to help along some of the projects that we have nice and how about you Carlos? Hey guys, I work with been on the research and development department.I meant so we are in charge of all investigations behind platform that we're building the whole digital identity as a general topic and technologies that can serve our purpose pretty much oriented towards smart contract development. That's that has been my role so far cool. So let's start off because we had a lot of Buzz words there. So let's show it digital identity first. What is this mean because I think a lot of people when I think of myself, my name is Terry. But what is my digital identity mean? Like, how do you guys see this? Like, what's your take on this Carlos? I guess we can like introduce a more General concept of identity, which is a social construct of how others perceive you as an entity. And how did how does a group differentiate you or an individual from from the rest? Right? So we're used to this concept of identity in let's say the real world in digital world in the internet. You also need mechanisms to prove who you are or to identify. This with it within a group so digital identities. It's quite an old concept. I would dare to say it as old as the internet itself since there are users interacting Behind these all these technology. It's like the saying goes on the internet. No one knows your dog. You don't know who you're talking to. You know, who are you are you interacting with? So there's this necessity of authentication and proof of identity. So these efforts of stablishing these Technologies is platforms as He's been around they have been around for a while. And he's also different use cases of a nanny like say you're playing Fortnight. You would have a game named but you're buying something on eBay. It would be a nickname but it would be a real identity and a credit card behind that to right. So what are some other types of data that we leave online as a footprint bed. There's obviously been a bit more of a push towards like towards privacy and be more conscious of that. But even in spite of that like any kind of interaction that you're doing online, you know you leaving some Behind still right if you're going to go buy stuff, you know, maybe like it's it could be tracking every product that you look at. You know, I'm them what category it's in could be taking stuff like like your IP address you Mac address, you know, like user agent data stuff like that. So and then you know, I can take all of these things and build a profile whether or not it's like associated with like your actual name, like, you know, you could still be technically in like an anonymous session or something, right? But, you know, it could still build up a profile about you as a user, you know, and what Are you doing when you're interested in and then like when you get into stuff where you're registering, you know as yourself can be everything right few if any of you use a password manager, right? You could look through the list of your password manager of all the different accounts that you have and think about like Okay. So this guy, what do they have? What do they have? What do they have what I have and now if you could put all of that data together, I mean you'd have a really clear picture of you know, who that person is what they like what they do with their into with their habits are you know, all kinds of information here. I think even like a big marketing thing. We do you feel like I said like ad targeting like what have so what I someone liked on Facebook maybe on Instagram and then that shows you what they're interested in even like browsing history shopping Habits Like location history. I think the next level that would I think most people I don't care about like they're browsing history like yeah, you see ads but it's not as if it's not as intrusive a say like your medical data or like DNA test where it's like specifically about you. Yeah things that could could cross over into the realm of like like All security, right? So like your address your phone number stuff like that. Like you say medical records, you know, there are things that in a sense could be weaponized kind of against you if that makes any sense. I think they call this doxing right on social media where yeah, so if you don't know what the icing is, basically if you're behind like a username on Twitter means someone finding out like a real home address phone number and then like sharing that with the world use because of some outrageous thing. They want you to get the taxes and that's like that's like that. It's identity-based right because it's who you are and who you're presenting yourself online. And you know, sometimes we like to be anonymous like in a video game. We're not going to use a real name with our address right but when it comes to like tuck in your doctor stuff, you need to user one important thing about identities that it's always contextual like it's always linked to a specific context. So it is how participants in in some specific context can refer to you or interact with you. So it's Acting in reality. We have like different identities. We sort of we're used to think of identity as like your real name and that kind of so to speak real world stuff. But like in your eBay profile you have a reputation that's part of your identity and it's granted by the community. It's not even always as how you present yourself. That's that might be a part that is how Community perceives you is a crucial part of identity. There's this concept of there's no single identity. You're supposed to be able to To present yourself in different manners depending on the context and disclose relevant information in each context and that's all the ongoing work and digital identities trying to achieve the sort of privacy and control give control to the user how much they want to disclose about themselves depending on the context depending on who are you interacting with even if they get our space and like the cryptocurrencies like how many fake accounts where they're of likes easy at finance and people like saying, you know send me ethos its identity problem to right? Even if he gets verified the people that'll get like ones that kind of look like as handle on Twitter Instagram and like you know, who's to say you're the real one and he's not the fake one. That's why they have these verified tags. Well, I got fooled the other day actually by on Twitter. There was a fake Donald Trump won right? And you know how well because they use the use the same picture right? And then I was on mobile and it it cut off the end of the username like the other hand. Also it said at real Donald Trump, but But I didn't say don't real doctor and said at real Donald true or something, right and then dot dot dot is just something that you know is like it was the dot dot dot because it was like the moment when you click on it and then you should see the end of the it's like real Donald Trump or something like yeah, so I had one similar where I followed the real CZ from Finance on Instagram. And then a fake one followed me back and then I was like, oh it's easy for me. I was like no way. This is not the same guy then it was one of those like scam like Austin you eat or something, but it's white the right because after I follow him you can set some monitoring thing to like follow you back that's really smart because there's tools that can automate that stuff. There's social media automation is is pretty crazy. Right? My second story was I was a victim of this Bitcoin password thing where they're like, we're like, In got hacked a couple years ago and then they got it was password and I got this email with my password that I used to use a lot in the subject line is how that you know by now we've had on the got your attention, you know, we've been looking at your webcam and we have all these pictures of you is send this to bitcoin to this address and I was like, okay. Okay, that's weird and like one my camera is always covered up. So you just possibly not like, you know what I'm gonna mess with this guy. I'm like, so send me the private key so I can prove that you actually own this account, but you never replied. Yeah. Like it's because I want to study hard and I'm sending it to an address that you actually own obviously exactly. Right and it's so interesting because the edges to give you you can add it to the Explorer right at the black settings for I'm just sealing didn't actually send anything in there. And so that's kinda interesting that gave himself not is empty. I could lie to you. I'm sure or maybe they just made a specific address for each person and they can generate sounds like a lot of work exactly but it is interesting because one I saw the password in my mind. I kind of like startled me look like I'm serious in this like it's kind of spooky a little bit. So I guess it goes down like that identity theft like there's different levels. I like you sure. Like my Instagram gets hacked. Yeah, it would suck but it's not like life-threatening was like if I won password or last class got hacked I could be really devastating. That would be real Annoying. Yeah. Yeah. He's like, all right. So let's move on to talk about identity system. So we talked about kind of what identity is how the constructs of who we are online and how we have like account at Spotify. Uber Google Facebook, you know, you don't know any of this but what is the current state of say the traditional in Sao Carlos? I know like what's involved in identity transaction. I know there's three parties. I want you go over this real quick. Well, even in real world scene spot from the idea that identity is something that someone grunts you it's a social construct. So for instance that passport and a driver lasting license, that's not your identity, but that's kind of it is a claim we can call it a claim government or an institution makes during your persona. So it stating that you are able to drive for example that you have certain a certain name. So there's this concept of claims digital identity Community is trying to let's say translate that to the digital world making use of a cryptography to make verifiable claims points that three actors in this system would be clay me sure someone who makes a claim about someone about something there's a claim subject which is usually the identity owner and there's the also the relying party which Of people that make use of that information. So one brief example would be someone proving their age their over 21 in a bar in order to purchase alcohol you show your driver license for instance. So you are the identity owner very fine yourself some attribute of yourself through a claim or credential we might call a credential more fitting in this context, which is a driver license. There's an issuer of that credential but it's institution the government And there's a relying party which is the the bar owner or the bar. I don't know Hauser book. Whoever is in charge of checking that that information. So we always have this three parties interacting in the identity world. There's a credential issuer. There's an identity owner. There's a relying party. So more or less all the scenarios for identity consists of this these three and even we think about like using your Facebook or Google account to login to another site. It's the same transaction like your Facebook is even you the claim of your email and address and then the relying party could be like some app that's using the oauth and you're the owner that's using that to the difference here is that there's no identity owner per se like speaking about self sovereignty. There's no the user and it's kind of the crucial aspect of all this is that the user is not in charge the it's not in control. It's not the owner. So it's really we all know that Facebook owns all the data we might refer to Identity. As such as a subject as a claim subject, the word owner doesn't really fit in this case because the user doesn't own anything. That's kind of what we're trying to solve with decentralized identity and self Sovereign identity put the control back to the actual subject the actual owner, right because right now every system of identity is pretty much siloed. I can you talk a little bit more about this event. Well, I mean if you talk about the data ownership again and using these third parties for authentication, it is actually kind of industry. Because it does go back a lot to using your email address. I think your email address is is used extensively as part of a syndication and identification online. Right? But for most people they don't even know their email address. I mean, they use like a like a Google service or or Microsoft or Yahoo, or whatever right you some some third party email service, you know in a way like a lot of times you'll have to require proof that you manage that email. Is like, you know through you know, they'll do some kind of like to factor. Well, it's not really to factor. But you know, they send you an e-mail and you to click the link in the email, right? So, I mean, if you lose control of your email address, you could lose control of you know, dozens of accounts that are linked to that right? So that's that's actually a serious problem. If you think about it, you know, if your email gets compromised and like, you know, somebody somebody either hacks it and change this password or or maybe Google or Yahoo decides that you've broken their terms of service and they shut down. Accessor something like that, right then all of a sudden like you have this like sort of cascading effect where all of these other accounts are all of a sudden inaccessible and like you and I don't know what but the language policy on this podcast is but you are something yeah. She was a journalist. I read couple years ago two years ago. He was victim of an SMS which show The Simpsons whopping. Yeah, right. So talk about those bits. Do you know how this works? Yeah, that's so that stuff. So so basically what they do is like it's a and Engineering hack and basically they'll call in to like your mobile provider and I have to convince them that they are you and then they'll say that they want to Port the the phone number over to a different provider. So let's say let's say you on AT&T and like they call into AT&T and they're like, okay. I want to Port my phone number to T-Mobile right? And then they've already got like an account set up on T-Mobile and they've got a SIM card right? Once they have that phone number ported over to the new SIM card and then they have access to it. Then they can get the SMS alerts that are associated. Gated with like your to factor these accounts or whatever then like. Yeah, that's it. Like, you know you're done. So that's that's actually very very scary and I think an article I read within like two hours. He was locked out of everything and he was like a cascading thing where he saw his like some SMS notification in the his emails only got like a notice that is locked out and he couldn't login after and I think that's what scares at once they shut that down and you lose access to that and like one by one like dominoes kind of start falling to and it's actually probably not that Hard to steal like convinced you're someone with all the footprints they have online now. Well, that's just it to I mean they say there's another kind of high-profile social engineering hack that happened a few years ago. This was a guy named Matt Honan who at the time he was a writer at wired, but I think now he's at BuzzFeed. But basically these guys they they did the same thing, but they called in to Apple and they they got Apple to like reset his Apple ID, and then they use that to just take over everything. So right, you know, so once they That Apple ID apparently like this the way that he had things set up it was connected to you know, everything else, right? So it was it was tough because they deleted like photos of his like kids and stuff like off of like iCloud in or whatever. Right? Like, you know, it was rough but not he wrote about how that happened in in great detail actually was quite well and also your Apple ID can disable other devices. That's right. That's why he say like it was happening like to him in real time. He's like looking at his iPad and all of a sudden it's like what's happening, right, you know. Go to laptop like, you know problems, right? Yeah, like one thing is that we cannot fully avoid the in any system to be actual points of failure that I mean wherever there's control. There is the risk of losing control. So it's kind of hard to mitigate these risks for someone to I don't know lose their email or someone getting their password and controlling things for an individual's identity, but it is quite another thing for someone to hack big database. Millions of identities and that's that's kind of what's been going on for a while since we have all these multiple silos around each user creating their own personas and replicating their data among different service providers. What we're doing is pushing into the edges. In this case. It's the identity owners the users so still the owner and there must be some education like the owner has to be careful about their means of control Their Manners of minimizing the risks and such as this two-factor authentication and also, Art's of recovery mechanisms, but in the end the user I always have to be responsible of their data and we cannot avoid that one thing that it's quite interesting about all these like using cryptography to prove identity is the concept of selective disclosure. Also more technical speaking zero knowledge proof without entering much detail. The essence of it is that you can prove to someone that some calculation was done and the calculation was correct without revealing the Actual parameters of the calculation so in case of might want to prove classic example, you want to prove you're over 21. So in reward you show your driver license, so there's all sorts of non relevant information being disclosed in that case. So, it's your name and your actual age point is that with the proper means of selective disclosure of zero knowledge you can you can prove to someone like cryptographically you can prove that you are over 21, for example without even reveal Being your actual age that's quite interesting because it allows a level of control that so far. We haven't had in any identity mechanism View and that is something that technology such as blockchain and a proper cryptography can can can solve. Yeah, we'll go into how that works later in a future episode. That's kind of very technical but I think going back to the control aspect you talked about is that the more centralized control you have the more attractive the target is to kind of either a lose the data or get high cause you're gonna get crypto exchange that has what 200 million Rebellion like the more it gets the more attractive is tax hack because in also like if you own the data yourself, well, then, you know, you're going to hack what 10,000 people one by one as I make any sense another way to sort of focus on like the mitigation of these risks is around a biometric identification as well too. And that's something that we'll talk a lot more about later on but you know, just just to give you one example, but these guys are calling in doing like The Sims swaps or like the one where they called it the Apple there. A few things. I mean you can have like approved phone numbers that you could call in from but also for example the bank that I guess I have accounts with whatever they have a thing now where you just call in and start talking and they do a voice recognition over the phone. And then yeah, you're done you have 10K so they're not doing like any of those like personal information questions or anything like that anymore. You just start talking and then like yet you Kate you are authenticated and so it goes I guess it's taking like all of like the recordings or whatever of like all the times. I phoned in and stuff and like plugging that To some kind of like, you know Ki mechanism. Yes. Oh that is so stuff like that is pretty interesting. So and then we'll get into more biometric stuff like, you know with the facial recognition and the you know that ya know kinda be dependent on how good that AI is that comparing to both of the two right? I've always wondered to it's like could you just like stick like like a recording of someone's voice but I think the other thing that sort of and this is like more specifically around social engineering attacks is that because the authentication is happening while you're on the line with like a customer service. Agent so like if your voice like just like started changing or like it seemed like a bit dodgy like, you know, there's also you know a human Tok lower. Yeah top loader on the other end you can you know use their judgment. I guess, you know, this he like OK this is a bit weird. Yeah because I saw in Adobe demo of like the new addition I think and basically they had someone the presenter like read two sentences and then later he just like typed it. That is said in his voice. Nothing. Well, that is so scary. Yeah that adobe could do that with today. I know because I guess if you're a I could analyze a voice it probably could reverse-engineer it and like Tech right so it's kind of scary. But yeah, I guess the iriscan is one of the most reliable so far mechanism for biometric validation, but you can't just put a picture of the eye, you know, like like, okay, I'll take a picture of I print it out like you know, what if someone can like genetically clone II to and then that becomes scary. Oh, yeah, that's like Yeah, alright cool. So let's move on to the next thing we hear so let's talk about technology and your freedom. This is something that we talked about internally before I think Carlos we talked about using Technology For Freedom the right way the wrong way. So what do you want to start off with this one of the main goals of cryptography, for example, it has been going on he's to protect data is to protect their users protect things. There's these Vibe of libertarianism to to name it in certain way that is technology being used for freedom, and I guess it's pretty a consensus already that thing. The cryptocurrency can work in in favor of freedom for the users. So in this case has some level of Financial Freedom and digital identity can work towards offering freedom to their users about their identity their attributes. There are their data, but certainly when there is the desire to control one specific Authority a party to control others, it becomes possible to use technology in the opposite direction. So So some governments playing high level biometric recognition mechanisms Technologies to affect the behavior and and the perception of the population. Yeah, that's that's pretty scary. All the things that can be done when technology see in the hands of someone. So I guess that's where the whole concept of decentralisation comes which is to mitigate in danger of having anyone too much control over especially over others many Certain things are happening seeing the coming of this blockchain technology and and and many people talking about decentralization, which was not a common thing to hear about before because we were used to thinking of this authorities big parties establishing what we can do and what we cannot sew something still. I think quite undervalued such as cryptocurrency allows you to do things that you couldn't do before quick example would be the very fact of Of owning I mean if you do it properly and you own your private keys and you manage your crypto, it's common saying that you're your own bank. I was living in Venezuela. I didn't have a bank account that I could receive foreign currency and Bitcoin allowed me to have anyone send me money. Like we were saying me an email that changes like it can it can be life-changing for some money. It was in my case that I could just work for a company overseas. So it's that putting Back to each individual is quite a powerful tool of the whole decentralization movement. Was that a restriction by the government on your bank to not receive overseas funds or what was the cause of that? Yeah. There are all sorts of restrictions in case of Venezuela for a while financially and in other aspects, but financially there's a currency exchange control like the government dictates. What what's the exchange rate which is quite an unreal Exchange. Right, not the real one people use. So in theory, I could have received US dollars but the amount of money I would be losing it's ridiculous. So it is just not feasible. When there are these kind of restrictions so using crypto was simple manner legal to just get my money and and not be limited. But that kind of thing that kind of barrier. Yeah, it's censorship proof. Essentially. I remember when we met up in December one of our colleagues in Brazil was saying if he wired money to himself In his own name there would be like an extra tax on that like that just blew my mind. That is so insane housing because like because like in the u.s. you send Wonder so you see, you know, some $5 fees here and there but like like not notice it was like a three percent tax would like five times like that's crazy specifically we do that. Yeah, all these different countries with a different sort of like Financial regulations. They're so they're so scattered. I mean like, you know one country you'll have something that's, you know, pretty reasonable and fair and then another country. I have something that's just you know, very like anti people because we enjoy we talked about the and financial and the debt tracking app in China, right? Well, why don't you talk about a little bit but so this this is we're getting back into interview freedom, I guess right and sort of how governments are working to use technology to sort of implement their ideologies or the regulations or whatever. They want to do a quick little bit of background in China. They're in lamenting something called a social social credit score. So this is different than just a credit score which is only strictly, you know financial and you know has to do with your ability to borrow money. The social credit score affects people's lives in many different ways. And so they use a carrot and stick approach. So basically if you do well and you have a high score, then you are able to take advantage of perks and little bonuses, right? And on the flip side if you have a poor score and then your Going to have a tough time because you're going to get start getting barred from like the ability to travel by airplane or the ability to travel by train. You won't be able to get a loan. You could be barred from working certain types of jobs. So it could get that they're still right and then all of a sudden, you know, you're an individual who's you kind of stuck right, you know like to the extremely interesting concept. I think I don't think it's going to end well, but yeah it is. Like I'm not level of control though that they're using technology. Well, yeah, and now we get into the the technology part of it right in one of the northern provinces. I believe in China you're doing a pilot project where they've distributed this app. Right and the app is basically it's a map with with pins on it and the pins are identifying the location of people who are who owe money, right? So there they have a debt maybe that's overdue or something. Maybe they didn't make the car payments or the Find on their cell phone or something, right? So basically the app is incentivizing people to go and spy on these other individuals who are who are in debt observe sort of like what are they up to do? They look like they're in a position to pay back their debt, right? And this is tricky because you know, let's say I'm on that I've let's say I'm behind on my car payment or something, right? And then I'm out having a having a frappuccino at Starbucks and then somebody on this app goes and sees me and they're like, whoa. Well, he's having Starbucks like he's Rich. Yeah, exactly. So he I'm going to report him right? Is that really how you want to know program your Society to behave? So that's that's that's one question. They're just sort of an a philosophical sense. But then again like you're looking at this, you know, the technology being used for kind of like centralized malicious purposes, I guess right, you know, and it goes way further from there. I mean in China you talking about the the freedom Or lack of Freedom around so the like the digital technology is right every company that operates the user database in China has to give it back door the Chinese government. It's like regulation. It is law. I'm like foreign companies have left China over this, you know, like Google and then other ones have complied like I believe Microsoft probably Apple to at this point. So yeah, I think you look like an app like we chat if you never use it for like it's basically the app to use in China where you can talk to your friends you can Do voice chat you can pay utility bill you can like, you know order gym classes with your trainer. You do like everything there but the government has a Theta so basically it's not that hard to build a credit score. It's a heavier Beach at day because pretty much everything is in there day in and day out to like you just go to a restaurant with friends. I can see where you ate something that because you're splitting the bill and we chat probably oh Yang for your actual car with that talk about like your digital footprint like we were before but like what kind of like kind of a profile you're putting together like like WeChat just like centralizes all that. You've got everything I can't imagine Facebook Google Amazon Netflix Spotify Uber. Everything isn't like one out. It's like an what 1/2 basically and that's who you are and it is who you are. I mean, it's convenient some ways, but it's also, you know scary because that's that's how they get you right? It's the the other convenience and the other thing too is like we've you go back to the carrot part of the equation too, right? I mean if you could learn good like okay, I'm paying back on those on no never saying anything bad about the Government, or you know, like I'm not doing you know anything that would like lower my supporting your score goes up and then all of a sudden it's like I'm getting discounts on hotels. I'm getting like yo discounts on this discounts on that. I'm getting the ability to like access like, you know, Financial Services like through credit that wouldn't have been able to before right? No, there's the benefit side of it as well to right so some people are just like, okay. Well, you know, I'm a person let's say, you know, I'm a Chinese citizen, you know, like a, you know, your regular regular Average Joe they're right, you know. Got like you normal normal job, you know one and a half kids or whatever. And so yeah, like maybe my game plan is just going to be like, okay. I'm going to try and do good on this social credit score thing, right, you know, and I'm just going to try and like go for the goal for the perks go for the perks, right, you know, which is the opposite of you know, the guy who just like see how the string of bad luck, you know or something right and all of a sudden now, it's just like, you know, he screwed like you can't buy a bus ticket. You're the goal also like is there a path to Redemption? Ocean from this to like, I mean, it's something we don't really have an answer to yeah in theory. At least I mean if you look at just like the credit score part of it then yeah, you could do the things that would increase your credit score. So pay back your bills on time and you know do stuff like that. But yeah, it's tough. I mean like I think what it'll happen with this system is that you're going to see some people like who are already marginalized, you know, because they're already maybe in like, you know, financial difficulty or like, you know, having trouble like, you know, Just like an integrating with Society or whatever. And and now this is just going to magnify that problem make it worse, you know, because it's going to start taking away the ability to do things and when you start doing that too much to people when you start taking too many things away you get mad and when people have are mad and have nothing to lose. Well, I mean we've seen countless examples throughout history. So yes, every time is a huge imbalance is a what famine hunger violence or something? Yeah, it all goes hand in hand, right? Forces is that they're basically gamifying the behavior. They want citizens. Yeah, the problem problem is that they're forced gamifying that you cannot decide not to participate in the game. And that's that's the scary part. I mean, it's quite normal that authorities might want to incentivize desired Behavior. Well good behavior and disincentivize bad behavior governments have been doing that all along. But this case it's I mean when you get technology in it, it's like the emerging behaviors. That that that arise from that like okay you are incentive icing people to pay their stuff. That's cool. When you do that kind of thing like you can hey, let's incentivize people who spy on their neighbors you're creating a behavior there you're creating a culture. I think I wouldn't I cannot imagine like one way of violating freedom in worse way than to violate the freedom of the whole society and future generation the freedom to develop their own culture. It's quite scary. He's very very controlling. Taking in a in an extreme way. I don't know if I might being a little bit too optimistic. But the thing is that I think the world is going in a different direction the rest of the world the majority of places. I guess the side effect of this is that you have to isolate yourself in order to serve these levels of control over Society get a like isolated Universe out of your country for that to work and that's not that's that's not going to end. Well, that's not sustainable. It's not natural. Well, that's all that's all. What's happening in China? I mean they have their own internet, right? You know, I mean, they've kicked out all the different Services. They put a big firewall around big you no control over what domains can be accessed and all that right and going back to sort of the the way that this is happening in China. It's not a result of Technology. The technology is just enabling it. This has been happening for decades and decades right like go back to like the 60s or so. They were teaching kids in school, you know to spy on their parents and report back. The stuffy so the whole like conditioning the population to spy on each other and reported back to the government that's been going on for decades, right? Yeah, but one to add like if you look at the Spectrum of technology and freedom on one side, we have the super optimistic kind of like liberal and type where like everything's decentralize you and your data those getting half but then on the other side you have kind of like China or maybe worse where it's enabling a lot of this fat stuff to happen and it's like where we'll each country fall between Because one thing that kind of worries me about blockchain Solutions is that yes, you have an address that's protected cryptographic that once, you know, someone owns this address and everything is on that as you can kind of like kind of figure out what they've done, right? Yeah, if I knew what what your ether address was that you were accepting payments to or something, right? It's probably isn't that hard if you have like a fulfillment address or something, then I can see like how many transactions I can see what your sales figures are like, you know, you know how much how much money is going in there? This year, you know being smart about it and generating a ton of like different addresses and you know, aggregating them and stuff like that covering your Footprints. Basically. Yeah. So like let's say if you have like a blockchain sort of like Payment Processing for like a like an e-commerce shop, right? Like every customer gets a different address. It's that sort of thing and then though the funds from those get like four to someone else but I mean, you could still trace it, you know, like I mean, it's it's not it's not a perfect way, you know to cover it up but you know, you can you can make it more difficult in any case but ultimately the public nature of it does lend itself, you know, you know, if you've if you get clever and like, you know, you can put together a script that's you know, going through through all the different addresses and then going back through the transaction. So let's just take a different angle then so does didd cover this if you have like an umbrella D ID and you have like 10, that is another that could you still cover Your Tracks that way even though you own a d ID or is this technically not the way Works, but I guess we would have to first like introduced for those who don't know. What a GID is it stands for decentralized identifier. So in summary the idea is that blockchain is providing the scenario where you can prove to be in control of certain crypto fonts. For example, you have a private key. So you are in control of something that is public the idea is to take that concept and to the world of identity where an individual can prove that they own and identifiers that identifies. GID so since you can prove that you're in control that identifier then some blockchain based Technologies can provide the owner with the ability to associate that that identify with public information. Ideally not personal information, but in might be I don't know crypto addresses or other cryptographic Keys, the anonymity the Privacy is one of the problems we solve especially when dealing with public information everything in a blockchain is shared by People know Gina Network. So it's quite a challenge since we're dealing with public information. Like if I know someone's Bitcoin address I can track their movements for life. It is important to be aware of what what do we want to be public and whatnot. Yeah exactly. Right cool. So let's close this out then with some new segments. So the day so this is kind of a bit old news, but we talked about this a little bit internally project outlets on Facebook recently. They were caught using VPN root access paying. Teens 20 to 30 us a month to get data. So basically what is root access Carlos Ruiz root means like the the Superuser in in in Unix systems. So basically providing total control over your device to someone if you give root access that means they can have low level access to the devices. Even Hardware like this total control even like if your chats and Cryptid like on telegram it wouldn't work because it could bypass that right. Yep, cool. So Facebook was caught spying on teens for this and basically they were using a VPN to see someone using SnapChat. They're using WhatsApp and they would do decide to kill or copy a certain application. So I think this is something interesting I came out but it's funny because the same day this came out they recorded like record earnings and I think it kind of got stuck to the rug you faster and now no one's we talking about it, but it's scary that they would go to those beans to do that and you think about what you do on your phone anybody who your messaging like whether it's your mom, you know, your wife your kids all this. Everything they have access to this at least for a teenager to so but the karaoke my hair was at it's pretty normal to do market research is just I think this level of access. Yeah, they could do market research without having to do that. I mean, that's it. I guess it's a shortcut maybe exactly. All right, so I'll leave it at that. Thanks for joining us today will catch you guys in a couple weeks next episode. We're going to talk about some more digital any topics. If you'd like to show give us a feedback ideas that stuff you had org and make sure to download the software. Off-key Vault. It's a desktop a 3M wallet. You can start building a digital idea that we've all talked about today, and then we'll see you guys soon. Thanks, Gary guys. Thanks a lot. See you later.

How many identities do you own on the internet? From your Instagram handle to online banking username, there are various constructs of your identity that form who you are. But you don't own any of them, and that presents many problems when it comes to establishing trust, protecting that information, and making sure you don't fall victim to a data breach. Show Notes 00:00 - What is this podcast about and who are we? 01:00 - The necessity for authentication on the internet. 02:30 - Types of data that can construct who you are. 05:00 - How identity is always contextually used (or misused). 09:00 - The three parties involved in every identity transaction. 12:00 - Where does centralization fail in identity services? 16:00 - What are zero-knowledge proofs and selective sharing? 20:30 - Cryptography and how it impacts individual freedom. 25:00 - Convenience and centralization: Where are the tradeoffs? 30:00 - Using technology to incentivize and force behavior 35:00 - A basic intro on decentralized identifiers (DID) 36:00 - News Segment: Project Atlas at Facebook & Root Access To learn more about what we do and start building your self-sovereign identity, download the SelfKey Vault for Mac OS/Windows at https://www.selfkey.org/download

Welcome to the Decades of strength podcast. We are Sam Marcy Sarah and Kim and we are for women on one Mission. We are obsessed with empowering women to gain confidence build strength and ditch feelings of unworthiness releasing the shame around your struggles is hard work, especially if you feel alone and so we wanted to create this podcast as a way to unite women of all ages from allocations.Is all sizes and shapes and really just want to invite you to sit at our table come as you are health and fitness is for everybody and we're here to remind you that you belong you matter. You are brave you are capable you are deserving of success maybe right now, you don't truly believe those things and that's okay when we first got started we didn't either but we promise that each episode. We will show up vulnerably we want you to realize your potential. And the truth of who you really are. We will help you step into success and acknowledge that the power already lies within you. If you love this podcast, Please Subscribe review and read it on iTunes and tigers in your service on Instagram. Send this to your friends, please please please just tell everyone about it. We are determined to have the biggest and the most inclusive community of women sitting at the picnic table together. Hello and welcome back to another episode of the Decades of strength podcast. This is Marcy. I will be hosting this week with me. I have the Lovely Sam all Terri Serra Duff and Kim schlag. And today we are going to be talking all about calorie deficits more specifically how you can set up a calorie deficit if you are in a fat loss space and I actually came up with the Here for this podcast because I was thinking that over the course of the past six to eight months or so all four of us have been in a fat loss phase at some point. And since we talked pretty frequently I realized that we have all gone about it a little bit differently. So if your goal is Fat Loss, the number one key is you must be in a calorie deficit but there are plenty of different ways that you can set that. That up to reach your goal. So that is what we are going to dive into today. So Kim let's start with you because you just started a fat loss phase and I am curious how your coach has set that up for you. Wow. Yes. I have I just started a fat loss phase like two weeks before Christmas, which had a lot of people questioning what on Earth I was doing. Maybe one of them let me just like cut it in really quick one that you were that it was around the holidays and to aren't you trying to hit your 300 pound deadlift like that doesn't really seem like it would drive to well. I'm over here. Oh good questions. Here's the reality right now. No, I'm not trying to get so I was in a strength block working towards my 300 pounds. Which I totally did not hit did not I made a little bit of progress didn't get him get close to it coming off that block. I know I'm not going to be doing that again anytime soon. I'm going to hit. I'm going to shoot for 285 soon, but I have it. I know I have it. It just wasn't an optimal day for me to head it, but I'm not in a strength-based. I'm always in strength, but I'm not a dedicated. Hey going for a one rep max anytime soon. That's going to be a little later in the year, but my reasoning behind doing a cut. But right now is that I decided I wanted to head into a muscle building phase. That's my real goal the idea of heading into a muscle building phase when you're up a few pounds from where you're really comfortable. It's in a good one. That's not a good not a good mental state to do something that you know, you're going to see the scale go in a different direction. So I talked to my coach about it. I'm just a couple of pounds above where I really feel my best and I don't even know that I would have gone I certainly would have done it at Christmas time. I would have waited a while. But my real goal is to get into a calorie Surplus build some muscle. So we were talking and it just happened to be the beginning of December and you know, I said, you know, what do you think should I wait till January? He's like look you could do it now take the days off that you're going to take off for the holiday. He still have most of the month available which is totally true, you know, even if you only lose a pound and so that's what I did and I'm still in the middle of doing it. I will say it's one of the things you can't control factors. I got very sick. Over Christmas my whole family got very sick over Christmas things kind of all went poof in my face. So I had a few more days at maintenance or in a surplus than I had planned, but I still think by the end of this month. I will have lost a little over a pound. I only have realistically for five more to lose. So that's the why I did it then do I recommend people like necessarily start a fat loss phase right around the holidays probably not but you know, there's something to be said for if you're ready in a good mental space. Whether it's right before vacation or right before a holiday, it's not like every month of December day of December had to be in a surplus right or even had to be a maintenance so you could but you could also use that time to take a mate. So that's kind of the why and the did you want me to talk about how I was doing it now or what. Did you want me? Where do you want to head? Um, let's wait a little bit because I just wanted to echo on something that you said, you know, I think there's something to be said for picking. Choosing to do it when it's hard and that really build confidence. It builds resiliency. And yeah, you know, it might be easier to do it at the beginning of the new year when you're feeling all raw and you're motivated. You know, you're those Lucian everybody else around you might be trying to clean up their habits and lose weight, you know, whatever the case but it's really put yourself in that uncomfortable. Jen and do it when maybe other people are just stuffing their faces Christmas cookies, you know that teaches you if you can do it then like you can do it anytime so maybe if you're brand new to Fat Loss that might not be the best time but if you are a more seasoned veteran like we are and you've done this before, you know, what to expect, you know how to kind of like manipulate the day is like you've been doing we're okay on Christmas Day if I wasn't sick with the stomach flu I would be you know, I would be able to go into maintenance and it would be okay. So I think again it comes back to know thyself. And yes, if you are a beginner choosing to do it at the most difficult time of year possibly not the best time but for someone who's done this a couple of times already then yeah, why not? Yeah. I think it can really help with the not having an all-or-nothing mentality. It is so common for people who yo-yo diet, right? We're either all in or all out choosing to start a fat loss phase when there was literally no way for me to be all in or all out and enjoy myself. You know, it helps you strike that balance, right? And the other thing I don't know people follow you on Instagram, they watch her stories every day, but you have been better. If you guys aren't following all four of us get your head out of your butt and follow up. Hey, sorry, but you have been showing your daily weigh-ins, which I think is very very important because it is bringing attention to the fact that the scale will fluctuate and we talked about this on one of the last episodes that we did I discussed how I've been in a fat loss phase. My weight was going down consistently, you know week after week and then all of a sudden it shot up five pounds and Again, this past week not 5 pounds, but you know around like three or four and now it's back down again. So that's really important too is just have me that mindset that the scale is going to go up and down kind of like regardless of what you do regardless, if you're perfectly on track and it's just so important to keep in mind. Yeah, I will say those daily weigh-ins that I show every day. I consistently get more dams about that than about anything else I talked about because people just can't believe that that's what the scale really does and I've had several people because I did this this time last year. I did the same thing I did for three months and I've had several people message and say like this was the thing that changed how they looked at the scale and they were finally able to make progress because they always thought they were messing up because the scale would go up and they didn't realize like that's literally just what it does. It doesn't go down in a nice steady need line. It goes up and down as its Coming down and that's why I do those daily weigh-ins. Hmm, you know, it's interesting because I do daily way and stood not on my Instagram stories, but I do step on the scale every day. It's something that my coach requires and I like to see the data that's just kind of how my brain works, but it's really interesting how sometimes it will get into this about when we were when we discuss how to set up a calorie deficit, but currently I have higher carb days. I have lower carb days and you would Think logically that a day after my low carb day and you know, I've been really active or whatever that my weight would be down and often times my weight is actually higher after a low carb day, which does not make sense to me. So it really goes to show how you can't always trust it, you know, you can't trust that scale and you may think I was perfectly on point and have this expectation that it's going to You know that your weight will react in a certain way based on your behaviors the previous day and it just is not always the case so solutely and I really like to impress that when I'm showing the weight and I do talk people through like hey, this is why it might be up or it might be down. But I love to talk to people about the fact that like sometimes I have no freaking clue why it just dropped or why it just spiked and that in daily life. We really should not spend that much time if you're going to weigh you shouldn't spend that much time thinking about like, why does it say that? Interesting to note certain trends that can happen. Like hey, like if I eat Asian food the next day the scales up like three pounds and if you notice like that's how my body works. That's like I see that now it's interesting. But trying to get to a point where you can just not think about. Why does it say that write it down? It's your data point move on. That's where I want people to go. Yeah funny. You mentioned that about Asian food because Sarah and I had Thai food on New Year's Eve it was Delicious and that day I was completely off from the gym. I didn't do any cardio, you know, my step count was like I probably got around 11,000 which is normal for me. But we ate two things we ate Thai food, which was high in sodium something that I never eat, even though it is my favorite food and we also ate fairly late at night. So it closer to around 8 o'clock because we had to wait an hour to get her. Food and we watch their so, you know eating a little bit later eating something that was really high in sodium. I expected the weight to be or my weight could be up a couple pounds and it was actually down from the day before. So anyway, I think we're kind of beating a dead horse at this point. Hopefully people get the point. But yes, if you are weighing yourself daily, just don't let that number get to you look at the fluctuations, but what you want to focus more on. Is the downward Trend over time and making sure that from week to week. It's the daily average that is going down. So that being said, let's talk a little bit Kim about what your fat loss phase looks like and how you are setting up those calories. Okay. So for me the way I do it and I do have a coach who sets my numbers for me. So we have calorie counting and protein counting. That's it. I don't count carbs. I don't count fats. I do count my protein and I count my calories. I calorie cycle which means I have certain days of the week that are higher calories in certain days of the week that are lower calories all of those days our deficit calories. There's No maintenance calories. They're their calorie ranges. So they'll have two numbers. So I don't have to hit an exact target and my goal every day is to hit my calorie Target and to hit my protein Target. It's pretty straightforward, but it's not always easy to do. Yeah, that's that's similar to how Sarah and I when we were in a fat loss phase that we kind of tackled it. Although we didn't go directly towards tracking right at first both of us focused more on the ranges. And I think that's the biggest thing is like not getting to cut off in the Perfection of like hitting, you know, say your calories or 1800 not worrying about getting like 1,800 calories. He's on the dot because at the end of the day as long as you're hitting the range, you know, like it's okay. You don't have to worry about hitting 1800 as long as you're getting between 17 and 19 hundred. That's way better than like randomly hitting 1800 and then saying oh my God, I hate eighteen hundred and ten calories. I fucked up now. I'm going to go binge eat like it's like no just stay consistent within the range. So that's awesome to hear that your percent. Yeah, and I said, I went from years ago. I was when I was competing you had to hit. calories bang on the nose and it was obsessive the point of removing like, you know, and it was to do like grams of carbs and everything dirt, but it got obsessive to the point of removing like literally like five grains of rice from my play and my God, hi tiny little like Slither of chicken from the plate to get it like bang on because in my head in that moment those five grains of rice and that slither of chicken if they went inside my body I I was going to implode all my results were going to go and that was just going to be life was lifers of which, you know, obviously that's just not the case, but it's kind of it was one of the ways that I kind of screwed up my relationship with food because I was just getting that in obsessed by all and why now, like even when Sam and I did our fat loss. There's I opted not to count calories. Like I didn't even try I haven't tracked calories in well for you. so don't think Because I just I just it's just not something that works particularly well for me and I think it's good to certain note that you did track calories for a while. But yeah, please yeah, you guys listening like you can't just not track calories and expect to know what the hell you're eating Sarah has done this for like years like as a competitor so she knows exactly what works what doesn't and also like a rough a pretty good estimate of calories per serving and portions so she can be honest with herself. Yeah, and that's that's the reason why we encourage tracking at least at the start of the fellows phases. If you don't know what you're eating if you don't know what's actually going inside your body in the food sense. Not in a sexual sense and how can you manage it? Was anybody confused her down that road? I think they were I think they work as I was saying and I'm like, oh this is you don't measure you can't manage. You know, that's absolutely yeah, you need to have the foundation of knowledge. Like you wouldn't go into school and expect to actually, you know passed the exam Jeremy's right? You'd have to start with basic vocabulary right basic vocabulary and fat loss is a calorie deficit so becoming friends with what Actually taking in and being honest with yourself for sure. Yeah. Yeah, and it's sorry. So I feel are so far out of touch with what a actual serving is. Hmm because they maybe they've never tracked or were used to going out to eat and restaurants serving us these ginormous proportions that we just kind of take it face value like, okay. Well this one I mean serves so I'm gonna need it all and there that's a servant because it's what I was served. Portion Distortion don't get me wrong. I can freaking clean my plate any day but have in the past many times. But yeah, if you don't have that awareness, it's really easy to overeat and then and then have no idea as to what a proper serving actually is. So the tracking can be very helpful in that regard but going along with that, you know, Sam and Sarah when you guys were doing Or fat loss phase together and I think it was part of your like fit and free launch or challenge something like that. Neither of you were actually counting calories in the sense that you were putting your food on the scale and logging it in my fitness pal, like maybe Kim or myself are currently doing so talk us through how that look especially if there is someone listening who is like I am not going to break out a food scale for whatever reason I don't have time for that. I don't have the mental energy for that. Like just not going to happen. How can somebody aim to eat for fat loss without actually Wayne their food because that's what you guys did. Yeah. Well, sir, I'll let you take it away. But I think the first thing I just want to say for both of us is the only reason why we chose to not The tracking calories route is because we had both done it for many years. We are very familiar with calories and how many calories are in things. So I think for both of us at least to my knowledge we kind of did some mental calculating, you know, it's like you kind of just are aware of what you're eating and we have created rules and structure which you know, that's kind of what we promote in the fit and free membership anyways, but I think creating the rules and structure outside of tracking the calories was the godsend for us, but I want to go first and then I can finish up no hundred a hundred percent. So we kept it really simple. We kind of had a only going to eat three meals a day and then work to a basic template and I think definitely for me it was more of a case. My meals didn't really change from what I always eat. So all I needed to do was really just tightened. And then a little bit so stop adding, you know switching from using oil to zero calorie spray for cooking and being really more mindful about like how much salad dressing I was putting on, you know, the nut Butters, you know actually being very very conscious because you know, when when I'm just living my everyday life, I'm kind of a little bit more just like that - I'm not like completely outrageous, you know have of olive oil. But it's just like you just don't pay as much attention and I will be completely honest. I am somebody that will always just put a little bit extra on my yeah, you are me too. Yeah, and I will always I'm always I'm the Nibbler while I'm while I'm cooking. So girl. You should see her what we cook. She's like eating spinach like like chips me me too, but maybe even just putting this food into the pan and it's like to taste a little bit of this and actually what I've done is taken Half an hour like our meal is like half of size of the meal because using it as it's being called which is so common. By the way, I always talk about ski sources of calories and that is one of them eating as you cook. Yeah sure a hundred percent and also the other thing so being just been more conscious about that and just do it going right while I'm cooking. I'm not eating but also for me again being completely honest, I am a Hubbard picker, so when I walk into my kitchen, I do have a bit of a thing where I'll go to the cupboard and I'll just you know, I will have a dip in the peanut butter and put it in my mouth or I will take a few raisins out for packet and put them in my mouth and actual play before we did the fact that long spit is in the space of specify think about a week. I had demolished a full big bag of raisins just purely to be walking into the kitchen and just having little mouse. Him and then no actually consciously eating them. So that's another thing for if you don't want to like count calories and stuff during a fat loss or just in general if you're trying to maintain your weight. It's just been really aware of your own Tendencies to just pick it things because it's so easy to consume that that bag of raisins over a week was an extra 1,500 calorie that we yeah. I called those the the BLTs the bytes licks in. It tastes and you're not careful man that can add up to hundreds of extra calories a day. So, yes, it can stick in your hand in the bag and we can licking the extra peanut butter off the spoon eating the scraps from your kids plates all that stuff. And you know, one of my favorite quotes is you don't have to count calories, but all calories still count. So just because it's not part of your meal. That mean that the calories don't add up at the end of the day one of my favorite examples of this Everyone by now. Hopefully knows my Affinity for Trader Joe's and that I'm pretty much every day Trader Joe's can we can you please sponsor this podcast and Marcia? Did anyone see my story the other day when I tried to cancel my credit card and the customer service lady try to upsell me on a new one, which was Cash Back Rewards. And so she's going through my accomplices. Well MS. Even I see that you shot very frequently at Trader Joe's cash back where all those purchases like when Netflix tells you like. Have you been are you still watching and they're sampling and people just go along they pick it up and they eat it and I don't think any of those people. Remember, you know that eight hours ago when they were sampling the pumpkin bread at Trader Joe's at 10 in the morning that they had eaten it, you know, so food Amnesia is very real if you are going through out your day and not writing things down not tracking it. So you've got to be very very mindful of yeah ball the BLTs hundred percent and and that just to finish off kind of join our fat loss phase. Yes, and I know we basically I think we birth without men meals. We knew that they were in the range of about five between 450 and I think 550 or 600 calories per meal. So we kind of that's what we were focusing on. So it wasn't that we weren't paying attention to like the amount of calories in a meal. We were just being very like we just didn't need to actually do the calculations because we have enough experience to be able to just look it up. And use like the ten player of majority of the play is like protein and vegetables and then there's a little bit of carbs and you just take it easy on the easy on the fat because obviously it has the highest highest level of calories and is the easiest to overeat and that was basically how that was. Basically how we did it. So just being more mindful over to you Sam. What do you want? Yeah, why thing for me? I chose not to Track because I had the past experience with getting really obsessive with numbers and I think in a previous phase of my life. I was I mean, I still am working through my perfectionist Tendencies, but I found that if I didn't make if I didn't hit my calories, then I would just say fuck it and and just kind of like see the day as a wash and just kind of go overboard now. Think about attract calories. It wouldn't that wouldn't be the case, which I've actually thought about trying it out just to see and kind of also keep like just to show a different way of tracking and a different mindset, but I think that I wanted to go into a fat loss phase feeling healthy and good about it and not having the fat loss phase cause me more stress, but in fact just having it help me feel better and like have my looks start to match where I thought I wanted to be So like Sarah said I think we created the structure that helped us stay on track. And so for me, I mean if you guys watch my stories then you know, I eat oatmeal literally every morning so that stayed the same. The only thing that changed is I switched from peanut butter like whole regular peanut butter to pb2. So like powdered peanut butter, so that saved me like a hundred 250 calories and then I had one big ass salad. That's like my go-to lunch that stayed the same I think and then dinner. Typically I would just be a little bit more mindful of my fat and carbs portion. Like I would prioritize my protein try to get more veggies and then a little bit of carbs or a little bit of fat rather than like, you know going a little bit overboard and if I felt like I needed a snack throughout the day then what I would do is I would borrow quote-unquote the snack from my meal. So rather than saying like I can only Only have three meals because sometimes that can feel restrictive like oh my God, I can only three times, you know, like if you're in the if the day just ends up that you need a little snack or something or you need you want something pre-workout then I'd be like, okay, I'm gonna have an apple before I work out and then I would just be like, okay. I'm going to take away those 80 calories or some of those carbs for my dinner and it just ends up working out that way for me. So that was kind of how I approached it and if I did eat a Bit more than I had planned or you know, maybe our meals were a little bit bigger or I went out to eat with friends. I just accepted it and didn't chalk it up as a loss. I just was like, you know what? Okay, that's fine. Like there's maybe I had a day of Maintenance amongst my fat loss phase that's not going to be an issue. You know, it's like it's way better than me saying like fuck it and going overboard which would be the past Sam and kind of sabotaging myself. So I think that's that was a huge thing for me and knowing what things were my My Temptations or my trigger foods and just like I don't I didn't need to have them in the house. You know, like I used to keep a just like jars of peanut butter in the house. Just you know, just to have them just in case right and I think one thing case, yeah, it's like I never know what I'm gonna need but like really, you know, like it's it's like you now I buy it when I want it and need an ER it's like and so I've realized that peanut butter is one of those foods that No matter if I'm the most disciplined person ever if I've worked through all my sabotage if I don't need to binge eat anymore. It's still a food. That's so easy to overeat. Does it matter how amazing you are at Fat Loss or amazing. Your relationship is with food. It's still a food that's hard to eat in moderation. So knowing that about myself I was like, why do I keep making it harder on myself? So when I finish the last jar of peanut butter, I just stopped buying it and instead I bought the single serving. Impacts and that has been how I've operated and even if Alice pays now, I just do that. It's like I don't need to have this jar of peanut butter sitting there as Temptation because it's easy to eat it and I don't typically like I don't need it. It's more like the wanting it and I'm like it makes me second-guess like do I actually want this right now? Like well, I need it. And yeah, and I kind of a more mindful so that was one of the big things for me is just getting the shit out of the house that was you know, it's just easy to overeat or like, you know, more tempting and then Be more mindful around like okay if I want something more fun or indulgent planning for it and feeling like I was in control of that decision and not like whatever food that I've had a hard time with in the past kind of took me over and I think that was a huge win for me in realizing that I was in control of the food, you know, and like I chose to be in a fat loss phase and I could get out of it at any time and I think knowing that freedom like it's just a temporary thing. Thing, you know, like you're not supposed to be in a fat loss phase forever that reminder. I told myself that every morning like I don't have to do this. I'm choosing to do this and I can stop it at any time and knowing like okay, it's all good. If I mess up I literally have the next meal to get back on it. So I think for me it was a lot more of the mindset going into it and creating the structure and just having less decisions to make that was the huge huge win for me like having go to breakfast having a go to One or two lunches and a few go to one or two dinners and just staying within that and you know, if I happen to have like a venture stuff planned cool. That's my exception but having the rules so they don't have to think about it. Absolutely. I love having that structure. I do the same thing to I pretty much eat the same thing over and over again. I never get sick of it, but it makes things way easier for sure and I think to you eat Marcy, what's your go-to? I love protein smoothies. Like I could seriously have a protein smoothie for every meal of the day. So that's usually what I eat post-workout and for dinner. I do some sort of protein. Usually it's ground turkey and a carbs like starchy carbs Source. I like my carbs after my workout and in the evening right now, they are on the lower end because I'm at the end of the spout. Space so I have to be a little bit more choosy with when I have them. So yeah, something like sweet potatoes. My favorite right now is good Bojo squash because that's the season lots of vegetables and I have this other concoction which I love and it's a spin-off of what Sam eats every day and it's kind of what I call it like note meal. So instead of oatmeal I use the Frozen. Cauliflower rice and I let it defrost for about an hour and a bowl add berries to it. And then I add my vegan protein mix it all up and it's like this. It's kind of like this like sludgy almost mashed potatoes. Yeah. I don't know about that. Very sweet. No sweet like porridge or like, you know, it's delicious. It's low calorie its billing. I probably like 40 grams of protein from that meal and a lot of fiber. So yeah, that's one of my goat cheese as well and I pretty much just have those meals on repeat over and over again. Yeah, I am one. I do better with about four meals a day. So I have a hard time I get hungry pretty easily. And so three meals a day is challenging for me. I used to do three meals a day when I was doing intermittent fasting. So my first meal would be around. 11 and I would sew it around like 11 3 and 7 and I'm no longer doing intermittent fasting. So these days that I eat about 9:30 to 12:30 or 1 4 and 7 or 7:30. So yeah about four meals a day is kind of my my sweet spot. Yeah. I actually forgot I did intermittent fasting during our last fat loss first. Hmm. Did you were And a fat loss phase for like about two or three years and I built up quite a lot of mental resistance to doing one just because the outcome of the last one was kind of a mindset fuck up. Shall we say so I was a bit like oh God. I don't know. I kind of avoided it while I Was preparing my relationship with food and but when we went back into it this time, I was like, okay I can I had to be mentally ready for it and which I was and then I decided to give give the intermittent fasting thing a girl because I am a fan of bigger meals. I don't like if you give me a small plate of food. I'm like, what is this just make you mad actually now that you say that I think something I've been experimenting to recently is having two big meals. Yeah, and it's kind of crazy because you just think about food loss and you didn't get to have that satisfying feeling of like fullness. Which can be can be nice. If you're used to always like feeling hunger, you know, like sometimes the hunger thing just it kind of clogs your mental space. So if you can hold out eating until like Sarah said like 11 or something and you have your first meal at 11:00 and then you maybe weight or something. You have make a baby snack and then like your second meal that could be an option to so like don't don't feel like you have to be wedded to whatever your meal frequency is right now, like maybe ask. Yourself like is the frequency in which you're eating. Does it actually work for you? Does it make you fucking crazy or like does it you know, could you optimize it even more is for meals better is two meals to snacks like you can set it up any way that you want as long as your total calories are in check. So I think like that when you told me you were doing intermittent fasting I was like, oh shit like, yeah, actually I've done that before and it worked well, and so instead of calling intermittent fasting for me. I just say Kitchen opens at 9:00 and closes at 7 or 8 and I just kind of create those boundaries for myself and that's that was one of the rules. It's like I just don't eat after eight because nothing good happens after Aid and like a lot of a lot of my clients. We just set the rule like kitchen closes at 8:00. No matter what like you don't eat after eight, you know, the only exception to that is if you know like you don't get to eat dinner before and it has to get pushed later or something like that, but it's like no snacking on that crap. Just chop it off you get to eat again in the morning. Morning, just remind yourself that yeah, right, you know something about that that I want to talk about is how your body gets used to the time of day that you eat. Yeah, so when I didn't intermittent fasting for a long time, I probably started it right when it was becoming popular. I would say maybe eight years ago and it was the 16:8 which was gaining popularity and one day. I'm just like, all right. Doing this I'm not going to eat until noon and it was tough. I mean I drank coffee and all that but I remember the first week or so is pretty challenging and then I just got into a rhythm with it and if I was busy enough at work, but I was drinking coffee drinking tea. No, I did not get overly hungry. So my body adapted to that and I did some form of intermittent fasting not really a 16-hour closer to a 14 15 hour where I would eat my last meal around And seven or eight my first meal around 11 and yeah, it was pretty easy. But now that I've gone well before I was in a fat loss phase I was doing more of a meal plan type of thing to fix some of my gut issues. So the meal plan was seven meals a day. Oh my God, I condensed to 6, but it basically workers. Yeah. It was really hard. Luckily. I had a flexible schedule or all I don't know how it was. I would have done that but then I had to start eating a lot earlier in the day. So here I was eating at 11:00 and now I had to start reading at 7:30 or 8:00 and after about a week of that I was waking up in the morning hungry and ready to eat, you know, so if you do feel like you want to experiment with a different meal timing just keep in mind that it may be challenging at first, but your body will adjust and then that's just Going to be your new normal. Yeah usually takes you about like two weeks like we doing it and then you'll notice a shift in when you when your hunger hormones Arts of like kind of kick in so just get through that home and know that that's normal so that when you go into the shift, if you do decide you want to change it's usually about two weeks that it will take Mommy and enough people who are in Fat Loss phase hunger is going to be part of it. It's just the name of the game Hunger is not an emergency. You so you've got to get used to dealing with a little bit of it and I would say that if you're not experiencing a little bit of hunger and a fat loss phase. You probably are not in a true caloric deficit but there are certainly ways to manage it and I think that having a structured mealtime or like meal schedule is a good way to go about that. So it doesn't mean that you're not going to get hungry. But if you have you know, you say, okay. I'm going to eat at 9 1 and 6 then. Your body is kind of going to get hungry around those times and you can plan and prepare for it more than if you were just trying to wing it and like eat randomly throughout the day. Yeah, I think we should talk maybe about how they can calculate their calories and also protein and then like managing hunger to like, I know we are all Advocates of volume eating which if you guys aren't familiar with that it's basically like having the largest Of food possible when you're in a fat loss phase getting more veggies like because veggies are so voluminous that if you think about your stomach if you think about your stomach as a balloon and you just ate four hundred calories worth of olive oil, like it would only fill up just a little baby amount of it. But if you ate 400 calories with a broccoli like that balloon would be big in full so maximizing your calories so that you can achieve some what you know, oh sir to fullness. So you're not like walking around being ravenous and getting you know kind of feeling hungry a little bit. So then white chocolate that since you brought it up, yeah sure. So I think one of the one of my go-to things to bulking Foods is cauliflower, I think Holly is a godsend. I put in everything literally I do especially when I'm in the phallus phase like I add cauliflower rice to my oatmeal. I think we all do that. I don't know Kim if you do. I have to tell you I never had cauliflower rice. Oh my God, bro. You're all I've said about to be changed. Who are you? Yeah, I don't do anything with cauliflower. Not that I don't like it. I just that's not a go to for me. Oh, maybe sometime when we're together girls, you can throw I will take them to cauliflower. I will make you my oatmeal. I'll convert you to the good stuff. All right. All right, but yeah. Adding adding cauliflower rice your oatmeal which like Marcy said all you do is just add it into your oatmeal and it basically bulks up the oatmeal at least twice as much and it's you know for super super minimal calories and it keeps you full it's got fiber in it want to water so it's great also adding cauliflower Frozen cauliflower to smoothies. So doing a one-to-one fruit to Veggie ratio in your smoothies is a great option instead of just all fruit is because it's like lower in sugar low in carbs. I You raced broccoli rice cauliflower rice sweet potato, like all the rice to veggies as an alternative to rice or I'll do like a half a cup of rice and a half a cup of rice veggie so that you still get the best of both worlds and for me that's important. Like I don't want to just eat fucking vegetables. Like I also want cards to so getting bolt The Best of Both Worlds and then things like, you know powdered peanut butter or the zero-calorie spray or making your own salad dressings or adding up. I fuck like eating a big ass salad in a mixing bowl. Like Kim does you know like I do the same thing, especially in the summertime when seasons are a little bit warmer I go to town in that salad. Like I almost if I was to weigh out the bowl, I think it's been over a pound some points, you know, it's like there's a lot of vegetables in there and it's like that's where I get the bulk of my veggies is in that salad. So figuring out you know, what, how can you make veggies? Make an appearance in your day as much as possible so that you don't want to like, you know, the you don't dread them. So finding ways to kind of sneak them into things. I think that's that's been like a way to manage hunger and be in a fat loss phase and not even feel like it and that's ultimately that's the goal. So you don't want to feel like you're starving all the time. That sucks. That was a good list Sam. I'll add a couple of mine to for my volume eating egg whites then amazing. So great an oatmeal. Yeah, I've just recently started trying that I see everybody doing that is a fine. I decided to try it. I do like that but even just straight up like cooking some eggs and adding a bunch of egg whites. If you I personally I can eat egg whites and vegetables like on a little omelette thing. A lot of people like I don't like the flavor of that so, you know do one egg or two eggs and then add egg whites that really can stretch things cooking with egg whites. That's a big one for me plain yogurt instead of having flavored yogurt. Save a lot of calories eating it with berries. You can get a lot of food in there a lot of strawberries or raspberries or a mix of them and blueberries to I just I'm weird. I hate blueberries. I don't know what it is, but do not like blueberries. So berries with your yogurt is a good one. The big salads is amazing like you can get so much food. It's amazing. How much food you can get in? Yeah, and if you just want to chew goodness races, you can thank you sometimes like if you're eating like people who are like trying to eat. Glow calorie, but not switch to high volume Foods you end up with these little tiny portions. Like if I was going to eat the same amount of calories in like Kraft mac and cheese. You know, how much food I would get versus. My salad is like nothing. It's like nothing. Yeah. So yeah, so all the vegetables really really helps. What was the other one? I think I'm having a mind for easier mentalize. Whatever you can. Oh, yeah, let's hear it. I turned you on to what's that the squash? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Wow. I am like the queen of squash. I will eat it year round. So delicata squash super low in calories very high in volume. You can literally eat the whole thing on your own as a small part of your meal guys. I eat that whole thing. No one else in my family. He likes it, which is crazy. It blows my mind more for you. It's so good though. Delicata kabocha is my favorite, but or not all of those are going to be a lot higher voltage than something like a sweet potato, but it's still has that dense carb consistency. So you don't feel like you're just eating fibrous vegetables. So that is one of my go-to is for sure and then for me like the big protein smoothie, so I have one of those ninja blunders which I have right here in Says that it is nine cups and I can get my smoothies to fill up this entire nine cup thing for probably like less than 200 calories. So scoop of protein ice serving of cauliflower rice 1/2 cup to have come varies and yeah, it's so delicious so filling. Yeah, I think I think like what we're all saying is we've had to experiment with things that work for us. And once we find things that work, we just stick to them because it work. Works it's like don't try to reinvent the wheel because chances are like we like we or anyone else out there have figured out like really awesome strategies to like finding meals at work and keep you full and I think like you have to figure you have to probably experiment with the things you like in that feel like will keep you satisfied and they they don't make you feel deprived, you know, because like if you're making Marcy's smoothie, right and at the end of it you're like, yeah, that was fine. But like I still want something more than that's not going to work for you like or maybe you need to adjust it a little bit so that you do feel satisfied and satiated because there's like a difference, you know, like coming from like a physical satisfaction like self-satisfied point and a mental one. It's like if you are full but you still want something then there's something missing. Yeah, if you're full and you feel good in your good then that's good. That's a that's a successful meal in the meal book, you know, yeah. Clever is the other thing but you cannot you've got to experiment with using different flavors and things because there's nothing more upsetting than just a bowl of vegetable. So hot sauce is one of the things that I know yeah do all of the time and and mushrooms was my volume is my high volume thing. You can eat like literally a big proponent of mushrooms coming in and that's going to give me some of that food heaven right now. Yeah, and if you guys like have a hard time with eating the same things like I think we all can eat the same stuff right and smart. If you are a person who's like, oh I need variety like you can still eat the same foods, but just season them differently. So like one day you have Curry flavored fucking potatoes one day like one week you have Rosemary potatoes like one week you have Mexican potatoes. Like it's it's like when you go out to eat, it's the same shit, you know, you just get different seasonings different flavor profiles, so, Have the same base foods and just change up the seasonings. You don't need to go like crazy. Like, oh, I need to find a new Pinterest recipe and recreated. It's like no code just like find the recipe as a base and then you can you can just tweak it on the seasonings and it's really simple you don't add calories with seasoning, you know, as long as it's like a spice or herbs and stuff and that way you don't have to go buy all these crazy ingredients. It's like keep it simple, you know, and you can always rotate things in and out. That's the way I am. I The same thing for a long time I can sometimes go like two months and the same breakfast, but eventually I really do get to a point and it happens kind of fast, and I don't want that anymore. And so then I take that out of the rotation I put in another breakfast I like and I'll go with that until I get bored of that and eventually they all just come back in. It just makes my life easier. Like I don't want to wake up every morning or I plan my food the night before I don't want to have to sit here every night think what's for tomorrow. I typically know like this is what I'm having for breakfast this week. Yeah, and I hope until I get bored and when I'm bored, I totally Get out I would not make myself keep eating something that I was bored of. Right? Right. That's such a good point Kim. I think often we don't do a good enough job at checking in with that like do I even want this because I think that's where that lost can become an issue is when you're doing the thing and you're not even aware of what you're doing and you're like you like I fucking hate everything I'm meal prepped and you end up like meal prepping all the shit that you don't even want to eat and then you either throw it out or you end up taking ordering takeout because You're making doesn't even taste that good. It's like you got to check in with yourself, especially when you're going through a more disciplined phase of like, how could I make this like feel good for me? And I know that's something I've started to do more in previous are in like really the difference between being disciplined and feeling deprived right? So I feel very disciplined in what I do, but I don't feel deprived because I like the food I eat. Yeah, you know, absolutely they measurable you Don't have to be miserable, you know, so I want to we've got about 10 minutes left and I feel like we got off on a little bit of a tangent as to what the original intent of the podcast was going to be about which was how we each like structure our fat loss phases. So I'm going to touch really quickly on what I've been doing in terms of I guess calorie cycling if you will because it is important to know yourself and kind of have an idea of You are weak and what is going to work best in terms of setting up your deficit. So there are some people who enjoy eating the same amount of calories throughout the week and that works really well for them. I actually prefer that it's not what I'm doing right now because I'm working with a coach. So I'm just letting him kind of take the wheels and everything so that I don't have to think about it, but I have three different like a rotation that I do three different days, so Lower carbohydrate days. Those are my days that are off from lifting higher carbs in the day that I lift. And then I have one refeed day a week, which is when my calories get pretty much doubled and I actually do like having that one refeed day, but there are many different ways that you can structure your calorie deficit to make it work for you. So like I said it have the just isochoric Monday through Sunday is the same amount. Calories if that is easiest for you, if that's what you enjoy didn't have those lower carb days higher carb days or higher calorie lower-calorie days, and then you can have you know, you know what you might call the weekend warrior approach where if you're someone who is really social on the weekends, you can a lot more calories to the weekend days any a little bit less throughout the week. If you don't feel as hungry if you can, you know, stay on track. Pretty well during the week, but you want to have some more room or some more wiggle room to play with on the weekend when you're going out and having fun. Yeah, I think that's that's a really really good point. I think for so long. I felt like everyday had to be the same hands or I felt like it had to be a certain way and it didn't work with my life. And so when I was like, oh my God every weekend I have these events and like instead of I'm like, okay, I'm just gonna eat a little bit lower calories during the week and have more room for play on the weekends. I kind of didn't make the deficit work for me. And so if you find that like every weekend you have events going on or whatever like build that into your life or plan, you know, just plan make your calories work for you really because it's like only you are going to be able to create that success and that structure so figuring out like what's realistic So that you can feel like you're in control of it, I guess, you know, so being really really really honest with yourself that if you are someone who wants to live the weekend warrior, but it doesn't work out for you because you end up going off track every weekend be honest about that and say, okay that doesn't that doesn't work for me. I need to try something something else. So it's about kind of experimenting and being really honest with the outcome and making changes if it's not working if you don't keep beating. Head against a brick wall if it's you know not working out for you. Yeah, actually sir. I have something to say following that kind of an admission of what I used to do. What I used to do is have really really low calories Monday through Friday. So I could like quote unquote save up for the weekend. But really what that meant was like I know like psycho and myself Monday through Friday afternoon and then it would give me a reason to like go off the rails in the weekends and that I've clients if I clients that kit that it said, you know, if I really want to do this kind of Monday to Friday. I was trying to save myself some calories for the weekend so I can go out and enjoy and I'm like, okay, we will try it but I kind of know I kind of know your history and I feel like this is probably not going to work out but let's let's see and of course they do it and they you know, they've gone into this mindset that you just spoke about where it's like, well, there we go. I've got to I've got to the weekend now it's time for me to just like, you know. Treat myself who willed myself I made it through type thing. So yeah, you just got to be really honest with yourself and not and not kid that you can do it. When actually you can't. Yeah, I think the thing that I don't know where I first heard this or maybe I made it up in my sleep or something. I don't think I made it was like it's like every week has a weekend, right and it's like oh shit, that means I have to get real here. Like I just had to be really radically Honest with myself and I was just lying to myself. Like I just wouldn't track things or I would forget that. I ate something or like, you know, like the weekend mentality. So if right now that's what you're struggling with. I do not recommend that you have higher calories and weekend doing anyways, like start getting into the mindset of okay every day is a day what happens if the calendar just got removed and you didn't even know what day it was and he worked on Monday through Sunday. Like what would that look like? It's like oh shit. I've been screwing myself over. So plan for this shit because if you've been doing the same thing without results, well, you got a change in order to change. Yeah. So let's yeah, I think a part of that overeating on the weekends for some people when they do like, oh, I'm going lower calorie during the week so I can you know, like you were saying Sam save up for the weekend I think for a lot of They genuinely think that they're doing that but it comes back to that piece where people are just not aware of the calorie content of food. And so they don't realize that what they just ate Friday night through Sunday evening was way more than they had an air quotes saved up right and then there's they're stuck thinking like why is this not working? But because you just ate way more food than you then you gave it credit for and so part of it is honesty and part of it is just like understanding portions and serving sizes and all of that, you know, if you would have a wake-up call. Pour yourself a bowl of cereal that you think is a serving. No, duh. It's really a great same Bones on my face. I was like, I know this I know it's just no matter what you think. You're you're serving still too big for the calories that they have listed. It's ridiculous. It's not fair. It's like that's not portions are not fair. Like calories are mean you guys if you had a food that had like no, No calories won't clean. I swear we did this once before because I remember telling you mine. I know. Yeah, and we cookie and ice cream sandwiches. Yeah, we did this before because that's what you said. We're gonna do it. We're gonna do it changed Minds change. What is it now? I think my cheese like even though it's not even real cheese vegan cheese - cheese can Add to the safety 80 of a meal for me like it's wicked high in calories, but I don't care like it's worth it for me to eat was to have cheese on a meal. It's just so even vegan cheese. You like vegan cheese. Yes, but only specific kinds like a lot of them are trash, you know, like and I just won't have it. I'm like, I'm not spending $7 in the stupid-ass almond milk cheese. No, it's like the it's like really bougie-ass vegan cheese, but it's so good. I'm a cheese fan, but I've never had Vegan cheese. There you go. Yeah, cauliflower vegan cheese College. You need to have them things. I need to try clearly one remind me. What yours is Kim and Marcy, I can't remember but my cereal. Oh, yeah, of course. Oh, yeah, I think some cereal is my second. Yeah. Yeah cereal cereal would definitely be up there for me and then probably not Butters. No. Yeah. I like I like almond butter. Well, oh no. Okay. I know it. Samantha that about I don't know six months ago. Maybe she sent me this little care package with all of these different chocolate bars that were delicious and then this coconut butter. That was the best thing. I think I've ever put in my mouth because it wasn't like a smooth coconut butter like most are it was almost like a ground up. Macaroon so it was like kind of gritty. Oh my gosh it was to die for that would probably be it my thought about that. You are like salivating talking about it. I felt the cultivating right now. We can't I can't find in California, but that's dangerous. Oh, maybe I'll send you some more. Yeah. Yeah. Quick then we can wrap it up. Well, basically here we go. Here's the calculator takes one of us. Yeah. Take your do you guys do gold body weight or current body weight? I use goal body weight theme. All right. Nobody someone who is like already on the Fairly wiener sighs. Yeah. Yeah. So goal body weight in pounds for if you are in kg go to pounds for a second and multiply that by 10 to 12. That is your range and that's a good place to start and then protein multiply your current body weight in pounds times 0.8 to one gram and that's a good range for your protein and then there's nuances within that if someone wants to kind of explain maybe like if where you are compared to where you need to be or like how to how to get people to kind of ramp up or something. Yeah. I want to talk for just a quick second about the goal body weight part. I'm don't over think that people who are listening to this. It doesn't have to you don't have to like figure out in your mind exactly what weight you want to be and go for that. It just needs to be a weight that's less than you are now think about a weight that might be close to where you are comfortable way. And if you have a big amount of weight to lose you can pick an intermediary goal weight to keep your calories more moderate. So if you're 200 pounds and you want to get to 140, you could set your goal body weight for this equation. In at 170, you know, you don't have to go all the way to 140. I would actually encourage you not to those calories would be quite low. So your goal body weight doesn't have to be your ultimate goal body weight something lower than you're at now. Yeah. Yep. I think just starting somewhere and not worrying about being perfect. Just start with somewhere stick to it for a few weeks and watch the trends like Kim's been showing it with the scale to kind of help. You see the downward Trend how your clothes At all that stuff and then as far as picking your multiplier the 10 to 12, if you are very active as in you train a lot and you're active you have you get over 10,000 steps a day, like picking closer to the 12 multiplier is a good idea. If you have a lot to lose and or are very sedentary going closer to the 10 and starting your range. There is a better way to go. Yeah, for sure. And if you guys have any questions about the calorie deficit send us DMS and we will answer them, you know, most him in the Facebook group as well because it's a good place to ask questions and get feedback from us. I'm actually all right. Ladies great. So, thank you all for tuning in and we shall talk to you next Tuesday. Bye. Bye my girls. Alright that wraps up another episode of the Decades of strength podcast. Thank you so much for tuning in and listening. We know that life is crazy and time is precious, and we really do appreciate you spending your time with us. If you love this podcast, Please Subscribe review and rate it on iTunes Targets in your service on Instagram. Send this to your friends, please please please just tell everyone about it. We are determined to have the biggest and the most inclusive. Unity of women sitting at the picnic table together. We love you. We appreciate you and we can't wait to hear what you think of this week's episode for women One mission. 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Things we want but can’t have: ⠀ 👉Teenagers who never eye roll & huff out of the room. 👉Zero calorie cookies. 👉An exact starting number of calories to eat for weight loss. ⠀ It’s all plug and play my friend. You find the number (more a range of numbers) that works through trial. The formula I’ve given here will get you a good starting point for that trial. Relax if it’s a little different than another formula you’ve seen. Remind yourself it’s all just a good estimate. ⠀ Take the number you figure here and use it consistently for 4 weeks. By that I mean hit your target daily including weekends for that period of time, preferably while weighing your food as often as possible and accounting for licks, bites, tastes and sips. ⠀ As you do this weigh yourself daily and keep track of those data points. After 4 weeks look at the trend in your weight. Is it down? Don’t worry about daily fluctuations. Those are 100% normal and expected. Look at the overall trend. A good average rate of progress is half a pound to two pounds per week. So after a month, have you lost 2 pounds? If so you’re on the right track. If not, adjust your numbers down slightly and go again. ⠀ Remember that the scale is only one measure of progress. Use progress pictures, circumference measurements and fit of clothes in combo with your weight to evaluate your progress. ⠀ One note about choosing your goal weight. It doesn’t *have* to be your ultimate goal weight if you have a lot to lose. So if you’re 250 pounds and want to get to 150, you might not want to choose 150 as your goal weight (but you could.) You could choose an intermediary goal, say 200 or 210 pounds. ⠀ So let's wrap up with just a reminder that’s all plug & play and you can’t mess this up if you keep going! Don’t you quit.

Hi everyone, and welcome to episode 3 of the peaceful loving vibrant podcast. I'm your host Andy Kia Nelson. And today I am so excited to share with you this conversation. I had with Julio Rivera. He's the founder of liberate a company started to support the black indigenous and POC community on our path of collective healing the first step in fulfilling. Their mission is a free meditation app that features.Meditations and talks from some of the most profound teachers in the United States Julio started attending meditation communities dedicated for people of color and found that the sense of safety in the room provided a deeper calming experience where he could just be himself this allowed him to develop self compassion, which helped with his challenges with self-worth after he could no longer attend these meditation communities due to a conflict. T' he looked online for meditation related resources for people of color and was surprised when he couldn't find much Julio's background is in building apps. So he saw this as a calling to be of service. He believes in the possibility where black indigenous and people of color can move through racism thriving in life radiating love for themselves and love for their broader POC Community to get there. He believes we need Safer spaces to heal with meditation. I'm so excited to share this conversation with you. Hey, my name is Hui on the founder of liberate based in Connecticut. And yeah, I'm 29 years old male cisgender. Yeah, trying to trying to make it in the world. Yeah, I was just saying to you before we got started that it's kind of surreal that we are recording this episode together because I came across your app in the Huffington Post article. And here we are. So the power of social media. Yes. Yeah. Yeah the power of technology which I think is so incredible because you know right before this we met at a coffee shop with another. Sin, who uses liberate in the Atlanta area? And so yeah, I'm just so so grateful for the support that liberates gotten so far and I'm particularly excited to have you on the podcast because one of the the missions of liber8 is to make meditation accessible, right which is exactly what I'm trying to do with this podcast. This is great so to get started The way that I named the peaceful loving vibrant podcast is based on the three words that describe how I want to show up in the world peaceful loving and vibrant. Hmm. So I like to ask my guests not question what three words would you say Define how you want to show up in the world? so the first word that comes to mind is vulnerable and I love that word because feels it's showing kind of what's really going on under the hood, which we don't as a society like to talk about and so, you know in my journey through meditation, one of the things that I've always tried to make a point of is to be vulnerable about some of the challenges that I've had with with my own Mental Health And you know, sometimes it takes somebody to start the conversation for that conversation to exist. So I also like vulnerable because you know, this this journey of building this company has just been has brought a lot of challenges and a lot of sacrifices and you know, I want when I kind of move and act in the world, I want people to know that I don't have it all figured out more than I don't have it figured out and so I and I think that that it's important as people as Leaders to move about in that kind of humble kind of way, you know, like things that I'm very vulnerable about right now is that with liber8 growing so does my fear and anxiety fear of rejection fear of failure and I think it's important to acknowledge that and share that because Because you know one of my my thoughts and my opinions about accepting ourselves accepting myself is sitting with the things that maybe I don't want to sit with it. And when I say sit with Amin experience and my meditation practice and when I move about in the world so vulnerable is the first word that comes to mind. another word that comes to mind is I don't know. I can't seem to put this in one word. But it's I think it's being true to myself like authentic authentic. There you go. I love that and I like the word authentic because They're especially when so liber8 is a meditation up for black indigenous and people of color. And now I find myself very often in conversations about race and about, you know conversations about racial inequities. You know, how just we as a community are pressed and the systems that are oppressing us currently. So like fear comes up, right because these conversations aren't comfortable. You know, they bring a lot of pain they bring a lot of Shame and shame for me speaking to my own personal experience shame comes up a lot because I'm very much being confronted with my own internalized oppression, you know ways in which I've acted where I've separated myself from my own Community because I thought I was Superior to Sirs, and I've grown up with the CERN economic and educational privilege. And so I've kind of internalized when I'm in spaces with other, you know by POC like sometimes I feel Superior and so the first time that that came up for me a lot of Shame came about and I was just felt so guilty. Like wow, like I've just separated myself from others and block people off even loved ones, right because I just felt like Like they weren't serving, you know the path that I was on and being around them was. not healthy and not conducive and right like with self love there is boundaries, but I think there's that dance like So yeah, that dance is I think important acknowledging like am I? Am I saying no to people because I think I'm higher than them or or just because they're kind of, you know sucking the energy out of me and so it's important to be aware of that for me. So I think it's a coming back to authentic. It's making sure that I'm moving about like when I notice that fear is present like what will what's really true for me and the values that I hold for myself, right? And It's moving with compassion. And I think it's also speaking up. So I think when I get face with that fear, it's like making sure that I speak up for what's happening to our community and it's uncomfortable. so third how do I want to show up? I think it's another area where I can't seem to find out what nice one word, but I think it's important that I do my own inner work and I am coming from a place of He like I am doing my own healing so that I can show up and hold space for others and be a resource for others. And and I think that's important for many for many different reasons. I think. You know for us as a community, you know that the buzz word that you hear a lot right now is solidarity so us coming together as a community as a bipod community and can you define byproducts are yeah, so black indigenous and people of color so identifies an afro Latino. So, you know, I like to acknowledge that the black and Indigenous experience is very different from you know, the other, you know, Latin X Asian. South Asian, even you know, it's important to even acknowledge South Asian because they've been marred very marginalized in many many different ways. So, you know, I think it's important to acknowledge everybody's experience that it's different and we are oppressed in many different ways and not carrying trauma because of these different experiences that we have so yeah. Okay. Yeah. I mean there's a lot there's a lot there area. Are you familiar with? Bernie Browns work on vulnerability. Yes. Yeah, I just Turn Netflix special a couple months ago and was blown away about how she talked about the connection between being vulnerable and having courage how traditionally were taught that you're not supposed to be vulnerable. You're putting on a brave face and not showing that fear but in her research, she actually found the opposite that people who show up and are brave enough to be vulnerable. They're actually courageous which it sounds like there's a lot of that weaved into what you said in terms of holding space for people of color having those uncomfortable conversations. It just it does take a lot of courage to do that. Okay, so you talked a lot about acknowledging difficult emotions like fear and shame how has your meditation practice helped you do that, right? so I think one of the things that particular I've heard a lot of teachers of color really talk about is really sitting with the emotions that show up or the feelings in the physical Sensations that show up in the body. And so as we as I do it a lot of my meditation practices is somatic which is basically kind of doing a body scan and really sitting with the physical. Is that show up in the body? And one of the things that always shows up for me is tension in the face. And so I what that emotion is when I really sit into that tension in the face is fear. And so I am very present to the fear that's always present in my life. And and at one point in time during my meditation practice, I would always do this. Body skin and always feel the fear and I actually developed strangely enough of fear around the fear itself because I would always be like is this fear ever going to go away? Am I just going to always sit with this intention in my face? And so I looked for resources out there that really helped me deal with this situation and I found that in particular from a teacher named 7/8 who you can find on the liberate app, you know. That when we come from a place of really accepting and loving that fear that we can develop a new relationship with it. So I started to incorporate in my meditation practice like instead of fearing that fear that I would feel in my meted would feel in the tension in my face. I would just accept it and love it and be like, okay. It's okay for you to be their fear and giving it permission her giving yourself permission, I guess. Yes. Yeah, giving giving the fear myself permission to experience that and be okay and remember that I'm okay. You know that I am I have support I have people in my life who really love me I'm healthy and I mean there's a bunch of different resources that you could use to support yourself. And I think when that I bring into my practice when I'm experiencing that fear, so In accepting and loving that fear. I can move in my day to day without having to escape from that fear which is you know, using things like for me I quit drinking a while ago, but how I kind of how I see myself trying to escape from the fear is sugar sweets and Technology, you know, I'm single right now and so flicking through day. Apps right like, you know, I see that I kind of use those kind of things as it was way of kind of running away from from the fear and experiencing it. And your meditation I'm guessing has helped you realize that connection between the the substances or the technology and your fear. Yes. Yes exactly. So using practice and so a lot of people listening may never have meditated or maybe very new to the concept. So one of the things that you said that I thought was really interesting is how you connected the tension in your face to actually naming the emotion of fear. So what is that experience like so sitting in a body scan or doing the body scan? How do you go from the physical sensation to actually naming the emotion you talked about that? Yeah that has taken a lot of time. So I yeah, I think how do you get to that place? And I think it's really really sitting with it. It takes time just with even developing the skill with recognizing that there's a physical sensation happening in your body and how you do that is by really slowing down. So sometimes even going to the body scanning directly that type of meditation may not suit certain people, right? It may be just like I'll start with the breath and I will slow down. My day-to-day life over some period of time just using the breath and then I'll move from paying attention to the breath repeatedly to moving to the body skin and it's hard for me to really point to how I made that distinction that this tension in my face was fear. I think I do a lot of men's work and holding and being in space with other men allows me to kind of really make that distinction that What is this emotion that this tension? It's almost like we have this skill. And neatly we just need to be in we need to have the certain conditions around us in a certain environment allow us to be in a vulnerable place to experience it and sometimes these answers just come kind of like organically. It's like what did I just really say that does that is that coming from me? But it's I mean I meet with a men's group every week and so we and meditation This is like the first thing that we do in our in our group and then we moved to kind of vulnerable sharing. And so that setting helps me really make that distinction. So I think the meditation practices help is a helpful tool and then also being in safe spaces where I can really share from a vulnerable space. What's really happening in my body. That is really cool. And this is one thing that we were talking about before when we met up with the the other liberate community members is the importance of sharing in those safe spaces. Can you talk more about how what that experience has been for you building that Community finding that group of men to commune with? Hmm? Yeah, so they're they're two different I think directions that I'd love to just or two. Points, I love to talk about that. So so first like the reason why I even started liber8 was because of my first experience sitting in communities with other people of color. So I remember going to New York Insight Meditation Center and they have a POC song of that meets the first and third Monday of every month and I remember going the first time that I went, you know, I predominantly meditated and spaces with white white people. And this experience was completely different. I say that the community and the teachings really touched me in a profound way the and I attribute that to the safety that I felt in the room, you know, there were people in the room that I could resonate with even just by by physical appearances and then just the way people talked and just the the warmth in the room. It was it was like I was with family again and so being in that space. Where I felt safe, I let my guard down and you know, I really got vulnerable with other people and so, you know, especially like I was living in New York City at the time and it's very often that we move within the city feeling very disconnected and so feeling like I wasn't the only one going through my suffering and powered me almost to continue this path, which can be very difficult like difficulties that may arise. You're starting a meditation practice is doing it every day. Yeah, keeping that consistency. So knowing that there were others going through this suffering and this journey as I was empowered me to do that every day. So that that saves space helped me in that was really helpful. And so when I started liberate, you know, one of the feelings that I want people to leave with when they go to the meditation app is is feeling seen feeling heard feeling really valued. and knowing that they aren't the only one and so it's almost like you know only technology can go so far with creating these kind of safe spaces, but I think it's like a first step and so one of the areas that we were really want to move to with liberators is creating kind of virtual safe spaces for folks and then creating a platform for people to self organize so that they can create their own safe spaces because I know there might be people out listening right now that that Have that connection and and haven't had that experience with meditating or just being in a safe space with other people of color. Yeah, and don't even know how to get started. Home sells. Yeah, exactly exactly. So then the other area that I wanted it to touch was the Men's Work the men's group that I have. I think in particular as men we Harbor a lot of emotions because of the way Society has conditioned us to you know, not feel and experience certain things and I think you know if you trauma and is such as I think a Hot Topic right now because we're seeing really the impact of physical the spiritual the emotional the mental impacts of holding trauma. How holding trauma has you know the impacts on us and so creating safe spaces for that trauma to arise in really speak to it is I think the point in which healing occurs. I'm a very emotional man. I own that and so it's not it's very often when I'm in my men's group that a lot of things arise a lot of traumatic experiences that I've had in my life seen past relationships. With past partners with past loved ones and so giving that experience the the safety to arise and just cry about it. It's such a healing experience. But first we have to come to a place of just like allowing that that feeling to arise and that comes from I think paying attention being aware to what's happening in our body and then just having that permission to experience that. It sounds like you're at a place now where you have your Petit and you feel comfortable sharing those vulnerable emotions, but I imagine for someone who's just getting started that might feel intimidating. If you've never given yourself permission to cry or feel sadness or feel fear. What advice would you have for people who are dealing with these emotions and want to express them but are having trouble making that first step. It's a great question, I think. For me I've been able to be more vulnerable. Amongst other people when I've in a way been vulnerable with myself. So, you know as I spoke to before just being able to give myself permission to experience certain emotions or certain feelings. Like it's very easy for me to cry with with the other men in the group or release kind of emotions anger shame guilt, but even starting from a place I can't do that with myself, but I haven't quite developed that skill yet, but I think Just being able to sit with the tension and you know doing a body scan and just sitting with it and my meditation has helped me. So by accepting that emotion I can go out and share that with others. I think also it's important in community and by creating a safe space that there's agreements And so with you know in our men's group we have agreements one is confidentiality to it's not giving personal advice really just people owning their experience and you know also acknowledging that this isn't therapy or counseling and and also there's another agreement that we have is just no domination. So just letting everyone speak and be heard so I think you know having those agreements in place and everybody agreeing to those agreements is important because then it's a starting point that we're on the same page and I think then that safety starts to this the environment the safe environment starts to be created and then I think it's just like taking the leap of faith after that point, you know, it's very very fearful and being vulnerable is very scary. Yeah, and I think it's just like even that even even just acknowledging that within the group I think is a starting point, you know, it's just like, you know, we don't do this normally and it's very scary. So let's just see what happens and I think being vulnerable is also very uncertain. So I think it's just like being as a group being open to knowing that we have no idea what's going to happen and and all of that is, okay. So I think this is a skill that you build with other for me. It's like it's always a skill that I've built with other people so I would find maybe somebody close to you and maybe let's just, you know, it's a muscle to so it's something that you work too. So maybe just like once a week finding somebody close to you and saying, you know, I'd like to share something with you that I haven't told everybody anybody else and what do you want to agree to some agreements that that Would help me share this so I think that may be a good starting point. Nice. As you were talking it reminded me of what you said about doing your inner work first before you go outside and then I love the idea of agreeing to the terms right for the group. So I think it makes me want to go out and make my own group. Yeah, I highly highly recommend it. So I do want to dive into the app more but I have one more question is sort of more on a personal level. What are some myths about meditation that you want to dispel especially for folks who are brand new to the practice. One of the myths that I'd like to talk about is that I often hear from people who are just starting to meditate is that meditation is about Having no thoughts. I think that comes up very very often and what I what I like to share is that and I actually came to meditation practice with kind of the same expectation. So did I and I think that the challenge with that is that will one we enter the practice with expectations like this is what I'm going to experience or this is what's going to happen after 5 to 15 minutes of sitting down. But what I've seen over time is that actually you know, having thoughts is such a healthy sign of the brain. The brain is functioning as it as it should be and so we're not going to be able to slow door have no thoughts. Right that's getting a getting in a fight with the mind which only actually makes things made things worse for me in my own meditation practice. So what I found just over time and you know having a teacher was very And for me was built, like what ends up happening over time is that you're building a relationship to your thoughts in your mind. You're actually creating the space between what you're thinking and you so what I say, it's a very abstract concept which is like in meditation. You may hear that, you know, you are not your thoughts. But what does that actually mean and that for me? It's like if I told you who's listening, right? Think about a red car and you visualize a red car. If you could visualize the red car then how are you the thought of the red car and so like as we're moving in our day to day lives, we have a lot of thoughts and we attach ourselves to them and so meditation creates the spaciousness between you and your thought where it's like. Oh, I noticed that I'm being very self-critical about myself. I don't actually have to pay attention to that. I can notice that it's there and not add any meaning to it. You know, one of the durazo Williams a favorite teacher And she says often. Pain something I'm paraphrasing here, but pain is not optional and suffering is optional. So suffering being the thing that we add to the pain which is all the additional kind of, you know, thoughts and emotions that we bring to the pain that we're experiencing. But suffering is real though. I want to acknowledge that so kind of back to the myth is that you know what? We're not what we're trying to do in meditation is not stop thinking it's to develop a new relationship to our thoughts so that we can be with them. We can accept them. We can accept the parts that we don't really like about ourselves and in that we can bring more self-care more self-love into our lives. Yeah, I mean that is a myth that I held onto for a long time. Probably even up to this morning in my own meditation practice. I was seeking that quiet that Stillness and it doesn't really come until you just let yourself be right. Okay, so I really want to dive into the Livery app and you talked a lot about different teachers you had which not a lot of us have access to in person is these amazing teachers and it seems like the app could help with that. So can you tell us about what inspired you to create liberate app and how how you see people benefiting from it? Yeah, so I started liberate because of my own. Experiences with sitting and communities with other teachers of meditation teachers of color and so, you know, I really had a profound spiritual experiences where I just felt really empowered that I could change the relationship to my suffering and you know, I took on a commitment that no longer allowed me to go to this one meditation community in particular. And so I looked online for other resources, you know, just to leave me with that same feeling that I felt that like again I could change the relationship to my suffering in that all wasn't hopeless right? And so which is typical of the my of the thoughts that arise in the mind were when we were really experiencing overwhelming amounts of stress anxiety and depression, really? and so after looking online for resources to leave me with the same feeling that I felt when I would leave this community in particular at New York Insight Meditation Center. I didn't really find any other resources out there. So my background is in app development. So what I studied in school and what I did professionally for eight plus years. and so I started an app basically that got a few meditations and talks from some of my favorite meditation teachers one being seven a Selassie Ruth King and enjoying a hearty some of these teachers who've been kind of doing this work of making meditation resources more accessible for folks of color for a while and and it's been just amazing to see growth and the opportunity that liberate has provided for folks and what I really want people to leave with when they walk away from using the app is feeling like they've been seen in their herd and they're valued and that the experiences that they're going through in a day to day when they experience microaggressions for example, and they feel like they're not enough that they come to liberate and they feel that they are enough because they see see other teachers of color that they resonate with talking about these exact issues that we're experiencing on a day-to-day basis that maybe other people aren't So what I really see for liberate moving forward is that we're really providing safe spaces for people of color to heal because there's not enough safe spaces out there for us. We're constantly right when we walk out into the world, you know, we're constantly being hit with micro aggressions and even maybe even in our own household, you know, we're experiencing that from from people within our own community. So You know, yeah, I really hope that liberate can be that support for people and their journeys of healing. Yeah, and I think you're doing just that I shared with you a few weeks ago that I introduce my sister to delivery app and she expressed just feeling a lot more comfortable with the guided meditations there versus the app. She was using before and she made the jump ha ha ha that's awesome is there and it's coming to life. Where can people find deliberate app? Yeah, so the website our website is deliberate meditation.com. We're on Facebook and Instagram as well. You can also search the Google Play Store and the Apple App Store for liber8 meditation and hopefully it's one of the first things that come up. Yeah, and you mentioned microaggressions or medications that help people deal with my sessions, which I don't think we would find elsewhere. Right? Right. Yeah, so you won't yeah, so we try to touch on really the experiences of people of color what they're experiencing on a day-to-day. I think also what you'll see that a lot of white meditation teachers aren't touching on his ancestors. So we have you know, that bringing ancestors into our meditation our spiritual practice. We have meditations around that which I think is unique to other meditation apps that are out there right now and we plan on really talking to many other different topics that are unique to our community such as some of the things that will be coming out with the next month or two is you know, why is it tough for men of color to be vulnerable and experience experience these emotions as well as you know building relationships with other men and sharing that gratitude for the relationships that we have in our lives. So there's a lot of I think different areas that we can really take this and I think that's that's the power of this really is that there's no institutions know any no rules to this, you know, really so we can really come out with content that's really catered to the experiences that we face as a community and there's no one telling us Not to do that. I mean that is so powerful. Yeah, so you mentioned bringing in ancestors and I feel like this is something that's been coming up for me over and over again in different spaces is the concept of bringing in ancestors ancestral healing. I'm hearing it in a lot of different spaces, so it's probably for me but what is that and how is it beneficial for a meditation practice? This is also something new to me. I'll preface this with this answer with that. But for me, it's really bringing in the people that have come before me that allowed to allowed me to experience what the freedom The Liberation the support the joy the gratitude that I'm experiencing today. So, you know one of the one of the guided meditations that we have on liberate by a teacher Pamela, oh you Tandy she is the name of the meditation is unveiling your deepest goodness and this this meditation in particular strong for black women because during the meditation she brings into the practice ancestors that have helped her. Let's be where she's at right now. So one of them being Harriet Tubman and so, you know, I think it's very powerful that I see the feedback that I get is that a lot of women have particularly profound experiences because when you get to slow down and you get to visualize that these people are around us these people that have helped us get to where we're at today. We can feel supported we can feel we can feel grounded we can feel centered and we can move throughout our day. knowing that these ancestors are with us, you know, I mean, I don't I think it also depends where you're at in your spiritual practice and what you believe and what you don't believe but you know in particular like I believe that Spirits are always with us and it might and particularly my my ancestors are always with me and so when fear arises and I can really tap into the ancestors that are always with me I can move Move with with more power. I can move with more vulnerability and authenticity and be the person that I want to be and also know that there's faith that there's faith in that I am going to get out of this dark hole that I may be in right now and experience Joy experience freedom and Liberation from the society this systems of Oppression that we live in WoW. What was the name of that? That unveiling your deepest goodness making a note of that for hahaha really powerful. Yeah. So that's an area. I think I'd love to touch on more with liber8 and Explorer in my own spiritual practice for sure. Yeah. So a couple more questions about the app, so you mentioned by POC and you mention the variety of experiences that people of color have that even in the community. Each person's experience may be different. How are you planning to incorporate that in the app? So that different types of people of color feel represented very very good question challenge, right? It's certainly a challenge. One of the things that I do want to implement in the app as after you sign up. To be a part of the app, which is optional that we're asking you questions about how you identify. So are you black are you Latin? Are you South Asian, you know, are you a male? Are you a female or you non-binary? Are you trans Are You Queer and so assembling these answers in a profile about the person we can then Target specific guided meditations, and I think first off its Us being very intentional about seeking out teachers who represent those specific communities. So for pride month, you know, I really set the intention of like, okay. I'm going to make sure I put energy and focus into getting teachers who identify as queer or non-binary or you know lesbian queer to Spirit, you know, it makes me make sure I I personally do the education on my own part and then seek the teachers out. Who identify with these communities so I think liberate in particular and and I think the community has just been so great with this because I want to be the first to acknowledge that I have so much education to do around this but people have been vocal like, you know, Julio, I love what you're doing. Why isn't why isn't there more I got an email recently? Why isn't there more South Asian teachers on the on the platform went there Indian teachers on the platform and So that has been a really learning point for me like oh wow like yeah. I haven't really spent the time to really seek out these teachers. Why is that? Okay and then also now I know to be more aware of that and I love getting on calls with people and understanding, you know, why is this even being vocalized and what tends to happen is that I learn and I feel the experience that they're going through about, you know constantly being in spaces in meditation spaces around ocean where you know kind of the roots of these practices aren't being acknowledged and so it's just I just love when the community points it out and it is vocal about it, you know again and I think you know as I be vulnerable as a leader, I think hopefully people feel permission to just keep calling me out. Yeah and liberate out as a whole. Why are you touching on this content? Because it's so important so I just If you're listening call it call me out on it. Thank you for doing this. It really doesn't Exist Elsewhere and when I read that article. Interview, I was just so overwhelmed with gratitude that you were out there creating this space for us. Thank you for doing that. No problem. How can our listeners support your effort? Downloading the app sharing it with your friends and family and that's certainly it. You know, we're trying to get the word out. So, you know, if you know any writers or anybody in PR or you know, I think there's this concept in Buddhism called Donna. So, you know, one form of Donna is financial support. I think there are other forms of generosity, which is yours. I'm your effort. If you want to volunteer to help out, you know, we don't charge for the app and I think the app is has been growing a lot recently. So, you know having that volunteers volunteers to help out has been very critical. So if you see a way of helping out certainly reach out, my email is Julio ju L IO at liberate meditation.com, you know, I answer all my e-mails personally and make sure I spend the time to do that. So if you email me I will certainly reply back - so downloading the app sharing it and reaching out with ideas for volunteering. Yes. Yeah, and where else can we find you apart from your email or you on social media? Yeah, so I have a personal account liber8 has a Instagram account at liberate meditation. I have a personal account at Julio dot a DOT Rivera. If you ever want to just DM and just like chat I'm down. For meeting folks. I love just meeting people 101 and just learning about their experience and just connecting on you know, what is it to be a person of color living in this world today not just in the u.s. Because I think in every country there's forms of Oppression. There are ways that anti-blackness shows up. Yeah for sure absolutely is the Facebook group. Also, oh, yes, thank you for mentioning a a Facebook group is also a way we don't have a link to it on the website. But if you sign up for the app a day later, we send an email I think also if you check our Facebook page you can there's a tab for our group which you can find. So maybe you can link that and yeah, I'll put all of that information in the show notes. I also want to put some vulnerability resources. That's a really good conversation about that. Alright. Well, thank you so much Julio. We had a really great conversation today. Thanks again. And I would love if you could guide our listeners through a meditation. I guess we can start out with you. Just telling us what to expect in terms of how long it's going to be whether you have a theme and then I'll let you just Dive Right In. Yeah, so this meditation I'll be doing is around 5 to 8 minutes potentially 10 minutes and it will be a body scan. So really what we're doing in this meditation practice is bringing our awareness our attention to the different areas of our body and as we do that noticing any areas of tension looseness. tightness pain and if you notice that during the meditation and it becomes overwhelming, you know try to sit with it and bring your bring a sense of curiosity and acceptance to it. And if it if it is overwhelming feel free to open your eyes and stop. So as you get comfortable in your chair, it is important to have an upright posture. pasture that brings alertness and energy into the practice. So with sitting in your posture your upright posture, let's just start off with taking three big deep breaths. So inhaling through the nose. And exhaling out the mouth. two more times inhaling through the nose And exhaling out of the mouth. one last time in through the nose and exhaling out of their mouth. and just bringing your attention to your breath. the inhale through the nose And the exhale out of the nose. Now I invite you to bring your attention. to your feet your feet against the floor against your shoes just bringing your awareness to whatever is supporting your feet. Now I invite you to bring your awareness from your feet. up to your shins and your ankles bring a sense of curiosity. to how this shins and your Cavs and even your knees how they feel right now. and then moving your attention to your hands they may be on your knees or thighs. Or on the support of a chair. just bringing a sense of curiosity and attention to whatever supporting your hands right now. If your mind wanders off. and to thought just bring your attention back to the physical sensation. Whatever's supporting your hands and your arms right now. Next I invite you too. Bring your attention to your glutes. Bring your and bringing your attention specifically to. Whatever chair cushion Matt you're sitting on currently just feeling that support. Feeling uncomfortable. Lower back is in pain. It's okay to move. But as you move just bringing a real sense of attention and awareness, too. moving and making yourself comfortable as we bring our attention up the body just bringing your awareness in your attention to the chest area. Just bringing your attention to how the chest expands and contracts with every inhale. and with every exhale as we move up the body bringing your attention to your neck. And your shoulders too. You may have noticed tension or tightness. And the chest area and we may also. Notice it here, too. May feel the pressure. Of always having to perform and be perfect. moving up the body now to the face. Being bringing your attention to the jaw. Where a lot of tension is held from stress anxiety. You may be feeling it here because it's very common. It's a very common place of tension. So just bringing a sense of curiosity and acceptance to it. That I'm feeling this. And it's okay. and as we move up the body and bringing our attention slowly from the drop to the lips. and the nose cheeks and your forehead And again if the mind wanders off it's okay. Just bring your attention back to the physical Sensations on your face. So we before we end this meditation. You know, we could be sitting with a lot right now is people of color. We experienced a lot we have to deal with a lot. and so feeling into the emotions the tension the looseness the tightness that we may experience be experiencing right now. I invite you to bring in. Anybody in your life? any ancestors who have come before you to who is responsible for you being here? Could be family members. could be other people of color who have fought for our rights to exist today I'm really feeling that they're here with you. That they're sending you. wishes of love gratitude and acceptance for not only you but for what you're experiencing right now. If your mind wanders off. And it's difficult to visualize some of your ancestors. Just bring your attention to physical sensation in the body that's most present for you right now. The mine will come up with thoughts to disconnect you from what you're experiencing in your body, and that's totally natural. Now I invite you to start to wiggle your toes and your fingers and shrilly as you do this bring your attention to what it feels like to move these. muscles and when you're ready, you can open your eyes. Thank you. Thanks everyone for tuning into the peaceful loving vibrant podcast head to the show notes to see all the resources that we discussed and join the plv squad on Facebook @ FB dot me slash P LV podcast. 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On this episode, I interview Julio Rivera, the Afro-Latino founder of the Liberate meditation app for Black Indigenous and People of Color (BIPOC). Julio shares so much about his personal journey in overcoming the fears associated with being an entrepreneur and confronting his own internalized oppression. We discuss: Vulnerability as an essential part of Julio’s personal journey and his role in holding space for people of color; The role of his meditation practice in helping him acknowledge difficult emotions like fear and shame, and managing his inner critic; The connection between physical sensations (like muscle tension) and emotions, and how body scan meditations have helped him make that connection; Building a community of men who support each other in their meditation practices and provide a safe space for each other to share vulnerable emotions;  Creating virtual safe spaces for people of color to heal through meditation and community; How meditation helps us develop a healthy relationship with our thoughts; Including our ancestors in our meditation practice; and more! At the end of the episode, Julio leads us through a 10 minute body scan. This type of meditation is a powerful way to practice being present to the physical sensations happening in your body, and may help you identify areas where you are holding emotions in your physical body. Resources from this episode: Liberate Meditation website: https://liberatemeditation.com  Liberate Meditation App in the Apple App Store: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/liberate-meditation/id1451620569  Liberate Meditation App on Google Play: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.zencompass.liberate&hl=en_US  Liberate on Instagram: @liberatemeditation  Guided Meditation - Unveiling Your Deepest Goodness with Pamela Ayo Yetunde on the Liberate Meditation App: https://liberate.app.link/liBgX2mwPW  Liberate Meditation BIPOC Community on Facebook: Liberate Meditation BIPOC Community Email [email protected] if you’d like to volunteer to help with the Liberate Meditation App  Julio on Instagram: @julio.a.rivera   New York Insight Meditation Center People of Color Sangha: https://www.nyimc.org/event/people-of-color-sangha/  The Power of Vulnerability by Brene Brown: https://www.ted.com/talks/brene_brown_on_vulnerability?utm_campaign=tedspread&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=tedcomshare  Join the #PLVsquad: Email me: [email protected] Facebook: fb.me/PLVpodcast Instagram: @peacefullovingvibrantpodcast