Amie de Carlos:  You skipped the demonstration against Pinochet 's coup .
Ilich Ramírez Sánchez, aka 'Carlos': They bore me shitless and serve no purpose . Demonstrations never change a thing .
Amie de Carlos: Chileans need to know we 're behind them .
Ilich Ramírez Sánchez, aka 'Carlos': The Chilean generals and the CIA do n't care . Where did picketing the coup in Uruguay get us ? They 're still killing the Tupamaros . It 's war . It ca n't be won by picketing .
Amie de Carlos: How then ?
Ilich Ramírez Sánchez, aka 'Carlos': There are other methods . Words get us nowhere . It 's time for action .
Amie de Carlos: What kind of action ?
Ilich Ramírez Sánchez, aka 'Carlos': We have to commit .
Amie de Carlos: Commit to what ?
Ilich Ramírez Sánchez, aka 'Carlos': To the revolution .
Amie de Carlos: How do you mean ? By covert actions ?
Ilich Ramírez Sánchez, aka 'Carlos': By resistance . I 've formed a group . I want you to join us .
Amie de Carlos: What kind of group ?
Ilich Ramírez Sánchez, aka 'Carlos': I ca n't tell you yet . But we 're not nihilists . We want to do good .
Amie de Carlos: Ilich , fighting capitalism with guerrilla means is romantic , but doomed to failure . No more desperate causes . They lead nowhere .
Ilich Ramírez Sánchez, aka 'Carlos': So we do nothing ?
Amie de Carlos: Is that what I do ?
Ilich Ramírez Sánchez, aka 'Carlos': You talk politics in London cafes . Is that the answer ? While they kill our comrades in Chile and Jordan . I told you what I saw .
Amie de Carlos: The balance of power is against us .
Ilich Ramírez Sánchez, aka 'Carlos': A myth .
Amie de Carlos: Not true . Look at Che ! He ended up dead . Despite his experience !
Ilich Ramírez Sánchez, aka 'Carlos': Why fight the right in Latin America ? You think Latin American dictators operate alone ? Gringos pull the strings . Overthrow them and imperialism still wins ! I 'm advocating an internationalist struggle uniting revolutionaries the world over . Look how the Vietcong disgraced the gringos . Squashed them like shit . The balance of power is n't against us . The fight I propose will lead us to glory .
Amie de Carlos: Glory ? That 's what you want . To be admired ! That 's what drives you . Bourgeois arrogance hidden behind revolutionary rhetoric ! Just another selfish , two - bit petit - bourgeois !
Ilich Ramírez Sánchez, aka 'Carlos': I 'm talking about true glory . Not what the Zionist media drones on about . But the pleasure of doing _ one _ 's duty in silence . Behind every bullet we fire , there will be an idea . Because we act in harmony with our conscience . You say I 'm arrogant ? I guess I am . For defending the innocent . You know what ? You 'll be hearing my name a lot . What 's more , it 's no longer Ilich . My name is Carlos .