Even if it is finally shaping up, it was a massive clusterfuck and polarized the shit out if people (not to mention amazing drama potential). I'd be willing to bet if they split it into two different procurements (Navy/Marines and Airforce) and had made a upgraded ground strike capable version of the F-22 it probably would have saved billions and resulted in much more capable and effective aircraft.    But that is all just baseless speculation that amounts to nothing more valuable than bull shit.    What's your take on Pibbles?