I'm oddly reminded of a scene from Shogon.    The Shogun whatshisname is interrogating the navigator and the translator, a Catholic priest, says that the Shogun shouldn't trust him because he is a Dutch and the Dutch are traitors who rebelled against their rightful rulers.    The Dutchman responds "Yeah, but there was a good reason why we rebelled!"    The Shogun says "There is no reason that could possibly justify rebelling against your lord!"    Dutchman "We won"    The Shogun laughs and agrees that winning is the *only* possible justification for rebellion.