that one was deleted, but another is still around.    > We need pacifist voices. We also need violent voices to earn the pacifist voices a seat at the table.    >    >No progress has ever been without the explicit threat of violence.    it's like some folks don't grasp how civilized, 1st world people are supposed to behave. what sort of cretins raise such misguided, maladjusted losers?