Commercial usage enquiry

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by PannyDostmaa - opened

I noticed that Pieter Levels is commercially utilizing the FLUX.1-dev model in their AI-powered photo generation SaaS. Could you please inform me on how to obtain a license, so I can also integrate it into my own service? Thx

Also interested. Curious to know if any commercial license available or he just did it without acknowledging the NC license.

He is probably using it through Fal.ai / Replicate API, they both offer the model commercially.
I think he is a Replicate user.

Maybe you could send an email to blackforest lab for more information.

https://blackforestlabs.ai/#get-flux
"For applications in commercial contexts, get in touch out via [email protected]."

He is probably using it through Fal.ai / Replicate API, they both offer the model commercially.

His service is based on training dreambooth loras. Fal.ai / Replicate API don't offer lora training.

I think he is a Replicate user.

Yes to run his own containers. See sec 1.3 of the license file.

I will email them and ask if they offer anything like the old stability ai membership for indie hackers.

His service is based on training dreambooth loras. Fal.ai / Replicate API don't offer lora training.

Check again

He is probably using it through Fal.ai / Replicate API, they both offer the model commercially.
I think he is a Replicate user.

that may be the case. i do see fal.ai supports commercial use of base dev and lora training dev.

He is probably using it through Fal.ai / Replicate API, they both offer the model commercially.
I think he is a Replicate user.

that may be the case. i do see fal.ai supports commercial use of base dev and lora training dev.

The cost of training flux.1-dev lora on Fal.ai and Replicate with their apis is too high to work for his business model. he's certainly doing it himself. by the way no reply from bfl yet.

@PannyDostmaa How much would you expect flux.1 dev fine-tunes to cost? From their recent blog post (Replicate) they mention a flux.1 dev lora fine-tune for 1000 steps is around $2.

The DreamBooth-API on replicate has been disabled and they tell you to check out the flux fine-tuning (https://replicate.com/blog/dreambooth-api). So the op's question is getting even more relevant. I also wonder if he just uses it without acknowledging the license. I did not find any services that are publicly available AND offering commercial use.

I emailed BFL for clarification. Apparently, if you train LORAs on Replicate and use Replicate for inferencing then you can use the generated images commercially. However, if you either train elsewhere, or inference elsewhere then images fall under non-commerical usage. You have to both train and inference on Replicate to qualify for the commercial license for generated images.

The only alternative to this is getting a custom license agreeement in place with BFL if you train/inference elsewhere. They request generation volumes etc. and then they will get back to you with a quote. I have no idea of the ball park cost of this but it's likely to be higher than just using Replicate I assume, IDK?

I emailed BFL for clarification. Apparently, if you train LORAs on Replicate and use Replicate for inferencing then you can use the generated images commercially. However, if you either train elsewhere, or inference elsewhere then images fall under non-commerical usage. You have to both train and inference on Replicate to qualify for the commercial license for generated images.

The only alternative to this is getting a custom license agreeement in place with BFL if you train/inference elsewhere. They request generation volumes etc. and then they will get back to you with a quote. I have no idea of the ball park cost of this but it's likely to be higher than just using Replicate I assume, IDK?

That is weird, because when you look at the flux-dev model license on replicate it says it falls under the non-commercial license. Could you provide a screenshot with their reply?

At https://replicate.com/blog/fine-tune-flux section "Licensing and commercial use" says:

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"If you generate images on Replicate with FLUX.1 models and their fine-tunes, then you can use the images commercially.
If you download the weights off Replicate and generate images on your own computer, you can’t use the images commercially."

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