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[speaker003:] Okay. [speaker002:] So I see all everybody's here, 'kay. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] Yep. [speaker002:] And we can start meeting. [speaker003:] Okay [vocalsound]. [speaker001:] What's the agenda for this meeting? [speaker002:] The [disfmarker] I will uh present here agenda with with with with slides to you. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] Um as you can see here. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Perfect. [speaker002:] So first uh just to mention I will take notes uh of this meeting [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] and uh I will try to work them out and give them to you. I've also made notes of the previous meeting and um I was about to send them you but [vocalsound] then uh I had to go to this uh meeting so you will get them too uh [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] Next. [speaker002:] Um. [speaker004:] So y you are the secretary also. [speaker002:] Yes. Indeed. [speaker004:] Right? Okay. [speaker002:] Then I hope you all have uh worked out [vocalsound] some some uh [vocalsound] some some presentations about uh about well you the the task given to you in the previous meeting. [speaker004:] Perfectly yeah yeah of course uh-huh. [speaker003:] [gap] [speaker002:] Um. W We will uh in a minute we will uh [vocalsound] start with them. Um, we will see in which order we will handle them of. Um then I will uh bring in some some some new requirements I I got uh from the uh account manager, I try to work them out, they were quite abstract, and we can have maybe have com some discussion about it. Uh Um about the functions [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] and [disfmarker] Well in this meeting we should really [vocalsound] try to reach a decision about the target group and the functionality of the [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker004:] You mean the social target group who we wants to target? [speaker002:] Yes I mean well yes w who are we going to uh to well to sell this, [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker003:] [gap] [speaker004:] Oh the customers, okay. [speaker002:] the customers, indeed yes. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Think that's that's important matter. [speaker001:] That's the big question yeah. [speaker002:] Uh. [vocalsound] So [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] And then uh we will close this meeting uh and after this meeting we'll uh we'll have a lunch. Good. Um. Maybe um why uh Anna can you c do you have a presentations? [speaker001:] No, I don't. [speaker002:] You don't have presentation? [speaker001:] I wasn't. No. [speaker002:] Uh you want a table to to uh [speaker001:] I c I can talk about it but I have no slides or anything. [speaker002:] Yes yes maybe maybe you can uh can just talk about it or maybe you can use the whiteboard if necessary um. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. Well I've just been um presented with some research we've done in a small focus group so, a hundred people, just asked them about their remote control usage habits and what they want in a remote control. Um. It's [disfmarker] probably can't email this to you, I've just got a web page with some data on it. Um basically it's saying that users generally dislike the look and feel of their remote controls. Um seventy five u seventy five percent of users find most remote controls ugly. Um. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Eighty percent of users would spend more money when a remote control would look fancy. Um. Current remote controls do not match well the operating behaviour of the user. Uh seventy five percent of users said they zap a lot, so they use their remote control quite frequently while they're watching television. Uh. Fifty percent of users say that they only use ten percent of the buttons, so they've got a remote control with a lot of functionality but really most of the time they only use a small part of that. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] Um. [speaker002:] Do you Do you have this uh information on the web page you said? [speaker001:] I have an a web page yes. [speaker002:] Yes, mayb maybe you can can send an email to me later uh. Uh about this. [speaker001:] Yep. Yep, sure. Mm-hmm. So basically um there's a breakdown of how much they use the different functions on a rem remote control. Um, power and volume selection are only used a few times within this uh per hour. Um, channel selection is used a hundred and sixty eight times um [vocalsound] and then there's things like channel settings, audio settings, which are only used very infrequently. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] Um. Teletext is used um fourteen times in the hour, so it is used but not nearly as much as the channel selection is used. Um. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] An interesting thing that this report has brought up is that um fifty fifty percent of users report that the remote control gets lost a lot of the time in the room, [speaker002:] Yes yes, [speaker001:] so some way of some way of locating the remote control would be very useful to a lot of users. Um. [speaker002:] I have [vocalsound] that too [vocalsound]. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Thirty four percent said it takes too long to learn to use a remote control, they want something that's easier to use straight away, more intuitive perhaps. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] Um. [speaker004:] It's it's easy to learn or how do you say it's [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Thirty four percent said it took too much time to learn to use a new one. Yep. [speaker004:] Okay too much time to learn. Okay. [speaker001:] Um. And thirty [disfmarker] twenty six percent said remote controls are bad for RSI. [speaker004:] Not enough [gap] [speaker001:] I don't know how we'd go about combating that. [speaker003:] [gap]. What do you mean there? [speaker001:] For RSI? Respet Repetitive strain injury. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] So. But [disfmarker] [speaker002:] They think that or do their doctor the doctor says? [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] But it's it's the opinion of the uh of the users huh? [speaker001:] Yeah. That's what the report says yeah. [speaker002:] So mm. [speaker001:] Um and then it's got a demographic breakdown [speaker004:] Maybe y y you cannot put this webpage online on the [disfmarker] [speaker001:] on [disfmarker] Uh I should be able to actually, if I email it to you now. [speaker003:] You can disconnect it there [speaker002:] [vocalsound] You can maybe just just [disfmarker] [speaker003:] no? [speaker004:] Ah it's [vocalsound] it [speaker001:] Oh no, yeah. [speaker004:] okay it's a webpage on the C it's a file [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] okay. O otherwise you yeah. You can connect this one. [speaker001:] Um, s hang on. [speaker002:] [gap] [speaker003:] Then you can connect this one or this one yeah. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] All to your computer. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Well. [speaker004:] So these are important numbers that Matthew and I need to take into account for our functional um [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Oh yeah. [speaker002:] [gap] [speaker001:] Oh I need to muck around with this. It's probably easier if you put it on yours and then I'll just email it to you. [speaker002:] Hmm. [speaker001:] It's just a web link. [speaker004:] Yeah [gap] [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker004:] Yeah these numbers have have to be have to be taken into account for the uh both yeah user interface and functional design. [speaker003:] Hmm. [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker001:] One thing it goes on to talk about, which is interesting, is the [disfmarker] hang on a minute. [speaker004:] Because if there are many numbers and we need to select to to constraint uh our design based on what is more important. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Yep. Um, one thing is interesting is talking about um speech recognition in a remote control. [speaker004:] Speech recognition in [disfmarker] [speaker001:] And who would pay more for that and whether people would find it useful. [speaker002:] D do you have numbers o o on that? [speaker004:] Ah okay. [speaker001:] Yes, I'll just get this up. [speaker004:] So that we don't [disfmarker] Do we not need any button on the remote control [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Well potentially yeah, um [disfmarker] [speaker004:] it would be all based on speech. Okay. [speaker001:] I think even for interesti [speaker004:] Interesting idea. [speaker001:] yeah I think that would not work so well. You wanna have both options. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker002:] Well it would it would be a solution for uh when your remote control is lost, I mean when it has speech recognition then uh i then it doesn't matter where it is, my [disfmarker] well it's [disfmarker] we should be in range, [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker002:] or maybe it can respond and produce sound, so say where it is. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] But the these are all quite fancy features I'm not sure whether we will we can make this for [vocalsound] for twelve Euro fi and fifty cents [vocalsound]. [speaker003:] Well it would be f [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] No you can't. [speaker004:] And we don't know where the state of the art of speech recognition is, maybe you know? [speaker003:] Oh. Well, [vocalsound] it depends you know like there is uh it's a very small vocabulary that you want to do the operations like you want to say on, off, one, two, twenty three, [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker004:] But it's quite noisy if there is the TV uh shouting. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker003:] yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] It's it's going to be li [speaker002:] Yes, that that that that's mm. [speaker003:] it's not going to be s so easy but u usually it's going to be more of an isolated case [speaker002:] Do you have some more important facts [speaker003:] but it's [disfmarker] but I don't know with twenty fi [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker002:] or can we go to the next presentation? [speaker001:] Um [disfmarker] [speaker004:] So you had to to to summarise maybe the [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Well [disfmarker] This is now talking about um who would pay for speech recognition in a remote control, who would pay more for it, um. Ninety percent of the fifteen to twenty five year old market said that they would pay more, it goes down from there, seventy six percent for twenty five to thirty five, thirty five percent for thirty five to forty five, um twenty two percent for forty five to fifty five and then eight percent for fifty five to sixty five. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker003:] Okay it's uh decline. Okay. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. Decline with age, mm. [speaker001:] But we sh Yeah, [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] it really depends where we're gonna be targeting this product, um, [speaker002:] Mm. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker001:] which we'll be talking about later I think. [speaker002:] Yes. We will talk about it later. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Did you get the email? [speaker002:] Okay. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yep, [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] that one. Just follow that link. [speaker004:] [gap] I thi [vocalsound] You us [speaker001:] It'll be in a different window, yep. [speaker004:] yeah yeah. [speaker001:] That's [disfmarker] left [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] that one. Yep. [speaker004:] Okay perfect.... [speaker001:] Mm. So that's the figure that I was just talking about there, with the different demographics. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker001:] Another thing it's talking about there is the LCD screen but there's no figures apparently on that. [speaker002:] Mm. Okay. [vocalsound] um [speaker004:] Mm 'kay. [speaker002:] Uh maybe uh Mael c c can you give uh uh your presentation uh? [speaker004:] Yeah. Mm I okay I stay [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Oh, this is [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Now you can move I think yeah. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] I can move as far as [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Mm-hmm, y y you can move, uh. [speaker004:] Maybe I take your chair? I [speaker002:] Yes. You can you can sa take my chair. [speaker004:] okay [vocalsound]. [speaker003:] It's a channel selection, a module [gap], this and this function, [speaker001:] Sorry? [speaker003:] go to the [gap]. [speaker001:] Oh. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] So I think as everybody knows uh I'm the uh Industrial Designer. And uh in this presentation uh this group presentation um [vocalsound] is gonna focus on the working design of the the remote control. Um I'd like first to give a quick a very simple introduction, how does it work, so that everybody knows even if you don't have a very uh technical background uh what is it because I think in the product it is important. [speaker001:] Mm. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] So basically um the basic function of a remote control is to send uh messages to another system that is fixed. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] And so an energy source feeds an integrated circuit, the chip, that can compose messages, usually uh through a um infrared bit [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] and uh the user interface controls the chip and accordingly the the messages, alright. So my method for um designing the yeah the work design uh yeah first [vocalsound] the the main point is that I would wish to to make a really functional product. I would prefer to have very functional um capabilities rather than fancy stuff that in fact is not used and doesn't work. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] So for that yeah as it's important to take into account the user requirements from the Marketing uh Expert uh Anna [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] and um w to to we should agree on what are the technical functions uh for this remote control and I show you the the working design. So um basically uh here is a really large view of what we want [vocalsound]. Uh we want an on off button, it can be uh [disfmarker] it's simple but it's it's important, and also uh [gap] the to both channels as well as other buttons that come after, [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker004:] right. So the components I quickly draw here, is that in this part you have the remote control the the sender and on the other part the receiver so that's [disfmarker] my method is um will be to well my aim would be to uh design the and choose the chips and the infrared um components to build the remote control right. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] So of course we need energy sources and uh uh the receiver a a receiver. This is [vocalsound] very quick uh design, uh you stop me or interrupt me if uh you don't agree on it on that. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] And um so what I have found and [vocalsound] after a lot of work actually I [vocalsound] I draw this I draw for you this uh schema [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Well. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Uh-huh. [speaker004:] that can be maybe too technical for you but is very important for me you know. [speaker001:] You drew it a long time ago? [speaker002:] Is huh [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] And uh that's it so I won't go into details about that [speaker001:] Ninety one. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] overwhelming [vocalsound]. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] but uh these are my preferences to use uh that kind of components. [speaker002:] No. [vocalsound] And and why do you want these kind of component? [speaker004:] So. So [speaker002:] I mean, are they cheap, or are they uh reliable? What were your [disfmarker] [speaker004:] found and yeah th you have always a compromise with uh reliability and uh i if it's expensive, [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker004:] but uh this one was not this one also really uh reliable um so yeah that's it for the working design, uh I hope you get clearer view on uh what what a remote control is uh in terms of uh technical components [speaker002:] Yes. It it it's more clear now I think. [speaker004:] but maybe yeah [disfmarker] [speaker002:] So [vocalsound] [disfmarker] [speaker003:] But is it uh can you just buy it on the market and f plug it in or you want to ma [speaker004:] No no no no we we will uh [disfmarker] This is a preference but we can always change uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. What I w what I was thinking about uh the the the schema uh about uh the sender and the receiver, I mean can you can you get back to it? [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah uh, the receiver is of course already in the television and we are not uh able to change it. [speaker004:] Of course yeah. [speaker002:] So we we must adapt to the to the receiver. I I suppose there is a standard uh way of communicating to televisions uh. [speaker004:] Yeah. We will use uh [vocalsound] infrared protocol uh using [vocalsound] yeah infrared and uh and of course we need to adapt to that protocol that already exists [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] and but we what we can do is uh uh adapting [vocalsound] the the chips inside uh to the best uh chips and uh infrared bubbles. [speaker002:] Mm. Mm. Mm. Mm. Yes. Okay. [speaker004:] Um. Okay. [gap] [speaker002:] Thank you. [speaker003:] Well it to du it's just you had to change the frequencies. [speaker004:] The frequencies? Yeah yeah. Of course yeah [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] in the chip you have it [speaker003:] [vocalsound] But you should be careful, [speaker004:] yeah. [speaker003:] people are sometime becoming problem, like a guy has recently designed a remote uh uh uh which could switch off any other TVs [vocalsound], so basically [gap] through all the things. [speaker004:] That can control o other things. Yeah. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] Ah. [speaker003:] So maybe we should think of [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Of course yeah we should take that into account [speaker002:] Yeah yes [speaker001:] That's handy. [speaker003:] yeah. [speaker002:] I I I [disfmarker] [speaker001:] So if the b TV in the next apartment's really loud, you can just turn it off. [speaker004:] in the uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yeah so you can just go on the street and then switch off everyone's TV [vocalsound] and you can just walk away [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] You don't have to be near the TV at all [vocalsound]. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] I I feel I I [speaker001:] I like that idea. [speaker002:] I think M Mael will will consider this uh th these things. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Maybe Maybe we can go to to your presentation uh Matthew. [speaker003:] Yeah so [vocalsound]. [speaker002:] I I I assume you were finished here. [speaker004:] Yes. [speaker002:] Uh okay. [speaker003:] Okay. [vocalsound] So I can take I think mine now there. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker003:] Okay so voila. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Hmm I can take mine it's okay, voila, mm so mm. Okay. [speaker002:] Oh. I [disfmarker] Uh, sorry? I know where it is. [speaker003:] It's on the desktop. [speaker002:] It's uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Technical function. [speaker002:] Yes. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker002:] It's uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Like so. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Well. So um I'm going to talk a little bit about the technical function so wha what actually it's about what is the user going to do, I think my last presented what is going inside, [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. Yep. [speaker003:] so what's the user is going to see from the outside and how he is going to use it. So well the approach is that uh basically the idea is to send a message to the TV set, as Mael has pointed, and it will be decoded by the TV and usually we it is easier to have uh keys or buttons with which people can uh press and then um changing a button will basically uh change the message which is being sent to the TV [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] and uh [vocalsound] um a and basically it sends an internal signal and decoded by the receiver. So p as um Anna has said that this ki people are interested in things which are you don't need to k press the keys, people are can have a speech recognition but this is uh s a question which will we have to see later. But in the present scenario is that you have certain keys [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] and you press it like your mobile phone, and it sends a message to the TV. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker004:] Yep. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] And um so generally mm I don't have some figures sorry but um so there are two kinds of uh remote if you popularly in the household, actually so you have a standard TV remote where you have just a on, off button and play, uh volume change and uh keys for the number and more than one digit option. And if you see for example righ right now uh uh even the one uh on more than one digit option is for two digit channel which is like ninety nine, but [vocalsound] tomorrow you might have one fifty channels you know to browse or two hundred channels to browse who knows, but uh uh. Then there is uh [vocalsound] this is the standard one with without any fancy thing you know like i it doesn't have teletext option, it can without any, it's a very simple thing, um which which you can vouch [vocalsound]. And then you have uh what's the v video remote file which is like usually it has almost all the keys over there and, but it then it has other options like stop uh and then you play the movie or uh or fo fast forward the movie or something like that so i it has those [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] so these are the standard uh commonly found remote controls in the uh market. And then [disfmarker] whi which is generally used by the people. And then [vocalsound] well personal preferences I would [disfmarker] uh basically think of having a kind of aim for the next generation thing where the [disfmarker] we could have both the uh the f a TV and the remote [disfmarker] video remote control because uh some of the keys in the video's remote control and the TV they could be integrated together so that uh we could um aim for the like in the f coming future um that type of uh applications with [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Okay. How would that work? So you've got say maybe a VCR and a TV which are separate, [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] so you [disfmarker] on my one at home I've got a VCR remote which then changes the channel on the VCR [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] and doesn't do anything on the TV, [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] so is it gonna be like a switch on the remote that says t use the TV or use the VCR? or does it know which one you want to use? [speaker003:] Um actually um you could you could think of um having s a y you can have a key which could tell y it could go to the video thing [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] but um uh yo you you you still can't um in that case when it you use that the function should be able to take up the VCR option [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] and you could play it or [disfmarker] You can also think about having like um [vocalsound] [disfmarker] I in a few days you will be ha in in few ye coming years you might even have a system where you have a separate uh sitting setup box and uh you have uh um something like uh uh you do you do you [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] suppose you are not able to watch some programme and actually it downloading all the time for you [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. Mm. [speaker003:] and uh you can just you know uh when you come back you could just switch on that thing and uh watch a program. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker003:] In that case you want to browse faster, browse slow, you want to have those kind of functionalities [vocalsound]. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker002:] Mm mm mm mm mm. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker004:] These are kind of next generation [vocalsound] functionalities. [speaker003:] It's the next generation thing, but it is going to come in couple of years. [speaker002:] Mm yes, [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker002:] but I think it's i i it's already there, [speaker003:] It's goi [speaker002:] I mean the hard disk uh recorders uh I I've seen them in the shop. [speaker003:] Yeah it's [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker003:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Mm 'kay. [speaker003:] So it's going to record your things and you and you you need basically the functionalities what you need in both uh uh video as well as in the standard TV thing. [speaker001:] Mm. Yeah. That's fair enough. Mm. But I don't think we're trying to make a universal remote here. [speaker003:] No no we are not making a universal remote, [speaker001:] That's, yeah. [speaker003:] we are just looking at uh giving a scenario, I have a TV and tomorrow I am going to have set up box [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker003:] which is going to sit there and uh it's going to do that job for me. [speaker001:] Mm. Because y [speaker002:] W w w w we need to decide on on on on in how far we go to in this. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Mean, you can go [vocalsound] pretty far I f I think with with with functions and possible uh future p uh prospects [speaker001:] Mm. Mm. Yep. [speaker002:] yes. [speaker003:] Yeah. So [vocalsound] [speaker002:] But it's good to keep in mind. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker003:] Okay so that p ends my presentation. [speaker002:] Mm. Very well. [speaker003:] Well. So we can always discuss about it for example uh the presently the video market actually uh this demand, video over-demand or what we call it as, it's presently [vocalsound] booming up actually [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Mm. Yeah. [speaker003:] so it i like people are providing like uh things like uh uh movies, you can select actually so you want to watch a movie and uh your p your provider gives a list of movies, and then you select those list. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] And it basically you go off, it downloads the movie, it gives for you [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker003:] and then when you come you want to loo watch it on your TV. And thi this is going to come. [speaker002:] Good. [speaker004:] Or even you don't need to download it, it's streamed uh online uh yeah. Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah it can be streamed online for you and you can say what time I want to watch the movie [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker003:] and [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah so. [speaker002:] Um, so u um [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] I have uh received some some some some well points of of thinking over of my account manager and uh I would like to share them with you. Um [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] first thing is uh teletext is a well known feature of televisions but it's it's getting used less and less. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker002:] That's that's especially because of the internet of course. [speaker001:] Hmm. [speaker002:] So we should think about it um. Do we include it, and do we give it a prominent uh prominent uh place on on on the on well huh on the remote mot control itself. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker002:] Uh as uh a in any case it's it's not used, well very much, but it's it is still used. Um [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker003:] Um. [speaker002:] further yes we must think, uh do we stay uh to to television only, the television as we as we all know it with with broadcasting signals and you can't go back uh huh, or do we uh uh go further as Matthew indicated by supporting uh uh recording uh devices? [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Uh indeed indeed. [speaker001:] So DVDs and VCRs? Mm. [speaker002:] And and and the hard disk recorders. Um, furthermore, uh, w we need really need to interest uh [vocalsound] y younger customers and then with younger customers I mean people uh below the age of forty, [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] and our our current customers are mainly forty plus uh which [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] well [speaker004:] Fourteen [speaker002:] [disfmarker] Forty. [speaker004:] or for O okay. So [disfmarker] [speaker002:] So that's to that's I mean there's a market but uh they will grow older [disfmarker] older and you'll al [vocalsound] always need to have the the future with younger people. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Um therefore, [vocalsound] younger people like trendy [disfmarker] trendy designs, so that's w we should make our our our RC as trendy as possible but it should also be uh have a reliable image, so when it looks too too spacey or too fancy people will think well does it work at all. Hmm. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker003:] Yeah it's uh well you you can follow the ideas how you want to keep the keys, you know right now if you take it you have like zero, one, two, three like a keys separately, [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] but suppose if you take the the present trend of mobile phones there are like big thick keys [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker003:] you press on the top, it takes one number, you press on the bottom it takes another number, and uh basically uh uh so the space covered so that you don't see two separate keys there actually [speaker004:] [gap] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] so it it is like uh um i i it is like uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker002:] Ma Maybe Maybe you can draw it on the on the board uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Mm. But I think taking the idea of getting inspiration from mobile phones is interesting, especially if we're going after a younger market, [speaker003:] Yeah so. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Hmm. Yes yes [speaker004:] Because they are already used to that, you know, product. [speaker002:] mo [speaker001:] that's the the the mm the new and the funky things, [speaker002:] Yes [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] that's, [speaker002:] it's recognisable [gap] [speaker001:] yeah, there's lot there's lots of pretty mobile phones, not too many pretty remote controls. [speaker002:] Mm mm. [speaker001:] That's [disfmarker] [speaker002:] And and they are skilled uh by using it. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker003:] So for example uh [disfmarker] Well uh [vocalsound] [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] Okay, it works. Fine. So, for example you have uh presently uh keys like one, two, three like this, actually, and uh uh four five six like that and uh you can have keys like this in form like uh keys like that [speaker002:] Mael can you hand me over this uh? [speaker004:] Yes. [gap] [speaker002:] Uh thank you. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. Okay. How much longer have we got for the meeting by the way? [speaker002:] Mm well I think fi five min [speaker001:] 'Cause we haven't talked about demographic at all [speaker003:] Forty minutes? [speaker001:] and it's a very important issue. [speaker003:] Yeah so [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] you you you can have uh keys like uh which are which are like so. [vocalsound] too sorry, so we basically don't change the uh original order of them [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] but then the keys are more spacious, [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] they don't look uh [disfmarker] so there there is a very sligh thing, so if you press on the top it takes the one, it takes the three, uh four, sorry four here uh five and six, [speaker001:] Mm. Mm. [speaker003:] so the keys can be it looks you know not very much cluttered [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] but it looks nice for you don't have too many keys [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker003:] but you can have a lot of options t if you press on the to [speaker002:] Okay. 'Kay I I think now that the idea's clear. [speaker004:] Yep. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker002:] Uh we should now uh try to decide um on our target group. [speaker001:] Yeah. Which I think is quite tricky. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Um, basically we're trying to get people to buy a remote control [vocalsound] [disfmarker] wouldn't they already have a remote control with their television when they buy one? [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Of course they have already one. So our our our remote control has to be better. [speaker001:] But it's not going to have more functionality, [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] 'cause it's only a low market, it's a cheap-end remote control, we can't beat modern functionality, we might [disfmarker] we'll be able to [vocalsound] beat them on th the look of it, th the design of it but that's not a big seller, if they're not just going to buy a new remote control just 'cause it looks pretty, [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] they have to actually need it as well. So I'm not sure how we can get people to buy this thing. [speaker002:] Mm. I [disfmarker] well I think [vocalsound] many people said uh in your in in your research uh uh uh the appearance of the uh RC is is important when they are buying one [speaker001:] Mm. Yeah. [speaker002:] but [disfmarker] [speaker001:] But why are they buying one in the first place? [speaker002:] Indeed. So that will be about functionality [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Mm. But if people are buying a new remote control for functionality they'll buy a universal remote. I've got friends who've got so many things they need a universal remote, otherwise they're using five different remotes for their all their things. [speaker002:] Mm. Mm-hmm. Mm. [speaker001:] In that case they wouldn't buy our product, because it doesn't give them what they need in terms of functionality. [speaker002:] So your you think we should go for a more u universal high-performance [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Well, we can't, with the price range. We We're not building a universal remote, [speaker002:] What do [disfmarker] What do you think about [disfmarker] [speaker001:] we're not building a high end product. [speaker004:] Yeah [speaker002:] What componen [speaker004:] we have yeah twelve point five Euros uh per uh per R s RC [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker004:] and I think uh with this now you know that chips are very uh cheaps [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] and uh we can include it in our control some new new features. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker004:] Yeah. And um [disfmarker] But yeah [speaker001:] But [disfmarker] yeah. If we're getting into universal remote territory, we're getting to LCD screens and things like that [speaker004:] that's [disfmarker] [speaker001:] which would drive the cost up a lot. [speaker002:] I don't know. I don't know whether that's necessary. [speaker004:] Ye [speaker002:] Is the LCD screen [disfmarker] [speaker004:] I don't think LCD is not necessary [disfmarker] well, th for long term. [speaker001:] For universal remotes [disfmarker] If you [disfmarker] mm. [speaker002:] I think thi this could be this could be a market because uh universal remote controls uh tend to be uh quite expensive. [speaker001:] And quite complicated to use, [speaker002:] S so we can try to go in between, [speaker001:] yes. [speaker002:] and offer a product which is not as expensive and not as complicated [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. Not as flexible maybe, [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] yeah, but s [speaker002:] but but still but still people have the idea this is more functional than a normal uh uh RC [speaker001:] yeah. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Universal. [speaker002:] because it has more uh it it is in some kind universal. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] But if we're going for the say fifteen to twenty five age group then not many of them would actually own TVs to use a remote control on. [speaker002:] Mm yes but w we're targeting I think on more on the on the twenty to forty group. [speaker001:] Okay. So they're [disfmarker] [speaker002:] People [disfmarker] yes. Who just have or already have a job and have the money but may not want to spend that much money on a on a universal universal control. [speaker001:] yeah. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yep. I don't know really what the the price range for remote controls is. Are we gonna be at the very bottom of the price range, or are we kind of middle to bottom? I don't know. [speaker002:] Uh well [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] I think uh when we think it over I thi I think we are trying to offer the a kind of universal control for for less money. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Mm. Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] So d Do you agree? [speaker003:] Well [disfmarker] Well I it's fine with me like the price as long as it is uh not too expensive. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah because we have to take into account that we are gonna b we are gonna sell uh four aro around four million [speaker003:] Uh and it d uh [disfmarker] Our provin [speaker004:] so when we speak about these numbers uh the price of a chip is [vocalsound] uh price of a chip is very cheap. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] So I'm okay for designing um a ne uh less [vocalsound] yeah a a kind of universal uh RC yeah. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. You think it's possible for the twelve Euro fifty? [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Okay. Um so then we we decide on on on going to this more universal kind of control. [speaker003:] Uh yeah, that's that's what we needed basically. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Mm. Mm. Okay. [speaker003:] Uh that's needed right now. And uh basically you can look to the standards of other [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah that's needed, yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker004:] And if we want to get the market, we really need that. [speaker001:] Yeah. Yeah. So I guess what I'd like from a universal remote is maybe choosing between three devices, being able to switch between them, there may be stereo, VCR and TV. [speaker003:] Actu [speaker004:] Yes. Exactly. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] And just be able to s use them all from the same remote, but not at the same time. [speaker002:] Yes. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yeah you can also browse through all the standards you know, where are the limit of standards for all of them and you can just browse through them. [speaker004:] Is that okay for you? Yeah. [speaker002:] Mm mm mm mm. [speaker004:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker002:] So given we are going for this uh uh universal type uh m [vocalsound] maybe it is good when you try to find out which components you therefore need and y you will try to get more specific uh user interface content [speaker004:] Yes. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker003:] Okay. Okay. [speaker002:] and uh maybe you can look on on what trends are in this uh in this type of market. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm yep. [speaker003:] Voila [vocalsound]. Hmm. [speaker002:] So [speaker003:] So. [speaker002:] anyone uh has a point to bring in [speaker003:] Well. [speaker002:] or shall we [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Oh I don't have anything right now. [speaker002:] no. [speaker003:] We can we'll we'll go [speaker004:] Oh that's that's fine then. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker003:] and we'll I'm sure we'll up something good [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] W [speaker003:] for the [vocalsound] [speaker002:] yes, [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] we uh we can have lunch now. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] So um [speaker003:] Yeah so we meet in [disfmarker] well [vocalsound] what are our [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Then th th the next meeting will uh after lunch you have uh we have uh thirty minutes of work and then we have the next meeting. But you will be informed via the computer. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker003:] Cool. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Okay [vocalsound] perfect. [speaker003:] So see you later.

[speaker003:] Okay. So, this is uh first meeting of this design project. Um and I um like to show you the agenda for the meeting, I don't know if it was sent round to all of you. [speaker004:] Mm, yeah. [speaker003:] Maybe not. [speaker004:] I didn't receive it yet [vocalsound]. [speaker003:] Anyway, this is the the plan for today's meeting is um firstly just to introduce the project briefly, um although I'm sure you've actually got some of the information already. Then the main purpose is to [disfmarker] so that we get to know each other a little bit more. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] Um then we want to practice using some of the tools that we'll be using during the the course of the design project and the meetings, um specifically the whiteboard over there. Um then we need to go through the specifics of our project plan um and discuss [disfmarker] come up with some preliminary ideas about it. And then that's it. So we've got twenty five minutes to do that, that's until eleven twenty five. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [gap] so sh [speaker003:] S so any any questions? Is i [speaker001:] [gap] [vocalsound] [gap]. [speaker004:] Not at this point. [speaker003:] [gap] not at this point. So this is our project. What we're aiming to do is to create a new remote control for a television. Um we want it to be something original, something trendy and also something user friendly, so it has to be quite intuitive that people are able to use this product. The method that we're going to use to complete the project, that has three components as such. There's the functional design of the the remote control. We're going [disfmarker] the way we'll do that I think is to to work individually initially and then come together for meetings to to work on that. Um similarly with the conceptual design, we'll start off by working individually with our own expertise on our own laptops and then we'll bring what we've done together. Um and then the detailed design will come after that. We'll pull it all together. [speaker001:] I'm a bit confused about uh what's the difference between the functional design and conceptual design? Uh i is it just uh more detail, uh as I understand it? [speaker003:] I think it [disfmarker] th w we're talking the the functional design is more your um area of things where you'll be [disfmarker] we want to look at what functions we need in the remote control and what what specific things it it has to do [speaker001:] Right. [speaker003:] but the conceptual design is um perhaps bigger than that [speaker001:] [gap] [speaker003:] and includes the [disfmarker] how people are going to use it and and that kind of thing. [speaker001:] How how it will be done. So whe where do we identify the components of our uh product? Uh I think it's it's in the conceptual design phase that we identify the [disfmarker] it's in the conceptual design phase that we identify the components of our product? [speaker003:] Um I think we'll we'll start that initially with the functional design already but then [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] [disfmarker] yeah. Okay, so that's just a brief overview of the p the the project itself. Um what I'd like us to do now is simultaneously introduce ourselves and start using some of the tools that we're using for [vocalsound] for the project, specifically the whiteboard. [speaker001:] Hmm. [speaker003:] So each person in turn, I'd like us to go up to the whiteboard, the pen's just underneath it there and draw your favourite animal and then tell everyone what the f your favourite characteristics of that animal are and while you're doing that tell us your name, what your role is and perhaps how your animal relates to the role that you're taking in this project. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Why are you looking at me? [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Would you like to go first? [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Do I have a choice? [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Okay. Ooh ooh, things falling everywhere. [speaker003:] Oh, yeah, [speaker002:] Right, okay. [speaker003:] p put them in pockets. [speaker002:] Cool. [speaker003:] You don't have to hurry, [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker003:] we've got plenty of time. [speaker002:] So, my name's Cat and I'm really not very good at this whole drawing malarkey [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] so um [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] It's got no eyes. [speaker002:] Oh, good point. Ah, the eyes always ruin it. Right. Okay, what do [gap] it's eyes like? Okay, cool. Um this is a rabbit. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] I thought it might be a cat. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah well origi uh at first I thought it was going to be cat. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yeah, I don't think it's furry enough, so we'll make it a fluffy rabbit. [speaker004:] Yeah now I now I understand now, yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yeah I can see by the ears. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Okay, right, it's a fluffy rabbit, blue. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Rabbits don't come in blue but you know. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Um okay and I like it because it's small [vocalsound] and it's fluffy. [speaker001:] [gap] [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] And one day you'll be able to getical genetically modify them and they will come in pink. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Ah. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Okay? [speaker003:] Excellent, [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker003:] and what's your what's your role within the team? [speaker002:] I am the um [disfmarker] I need my notebook, mm ooh [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] top banana. Thank you. Okay, cool, I am the Marketing Expert [vocalsound] um so like I'm gonna be doing the [disfmarker] apparently according to the little guy in the computer that knows everything [disfmarker] the user g requirements specification of the functional design, um trend watching in the conceptual design and product evad-valuation in the detailed design [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] um so yeah. [speaker003:] And more about yourself, [speaker001:] 'Kay. [speaker003:] you're from? [speaker002:] Um I'm from Leicester, [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] um second year. Um what else do you want to know? [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] I like sports [vocalsound] um yeah, aerobics, kickboxing, spinning [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] um [vocalsound] and uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] But not with rabbits. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] not with rabbits, no no. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker002:] And vets, I like vets as well. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] And yeah um and I like cocktails, especially pink ones. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Cool. [speaker002:] Okay? [speaker003:] Excellent, [speaker002:] Cool. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] to match the rabbit. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] Okay. Um so my name is Maarika. Where's the pen? Okay. [speaker003:] There's a [disfmarker] an [disfmarker] if you have not enough room there's an eraser there and you can rub it off. [speaker004:] Yeah, well, or I can make it smaller. [vocalsound] Uh so um um I'm the Interface Designer in this project and my favourite animal, I m I mean I'm not so sure because I'm not so so very um [vocalsound] familiar with all kinds of animals, but I do like dogs. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Oh, sorry, maybe I should have [disfmarker] shouldn't have said it beforehand but [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker004:] mm [vocalsound] hmm. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Um well, there are different kinds of dogs, but okay um. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] That's not bad at all. [speaker003:] Ah it looks like a dog. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yep. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker002:] Is a bit more impressive than my rabbit. I think it needs four legs if it's gonna walk though. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah, maybe it has some colourful patches, yeah. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [gap] the other legs are on the other side. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Um yeah and I do like dogs because they are good friends to people and they are loyal. Mm, well that's compared to some other animals like cats. Um they're really much more fun because they are not so independent. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Um yeah maybe maybe the fact that they protect their home as well, yeah. Um what it has to do with with my role in the project is hard to say. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Uh I hope to be loyal to the project and not to n not to um let people doing similar projects know the details of our project or something, [vocalsound] yeah. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] And where where are you from? [speaker004:] I'm from Estonia uh, yep. [speaker003:] Estonia. [speaker004:] Um so is there anything else you'd like to know? Oh, right, my roles, [speaker001:] [gap]. [speaker004:] um so um in the different um [vocalsound] stages of the design, so at first I will be responsible for um for [vocalsound] yeah, designing the technical functions of the um [vocalsound] um of the remote control uh then in the in the conceptual design stage I need to um come up with uh interface concept and then in the last um stage I will be responsible for the int infa for the user interface design. [speaker001:] [gap]. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Okay, that's it. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Thank you. Okay [vocalsound] um [vocalsound] I'll do some [disfmarker] I'll rub the features [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] and let the drawing stay. [vocalsound] 'Kay um my name is Gaurav. Um [vocalsound] my favourite animal [disfmarker] one of my favourite animals is a cow. I've got no idea how to draw a cow. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Good luck. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Uh this is going to be [disfmarker] [speaker002:] They're not just like a big round body and then some really skinny legs and then just some horns. [speaker001:] Yeah, that'll do. Okay, so let let me draw the body first. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker001:] Big, round body, really skinny legs [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] and they've got a long tail [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] and a long face. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] It's eating. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] It looks like Eeyore. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] And there is some grass there. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] So this is what I like about [vocalsound] cows [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Horns, [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] that they just keeps sitting there eating grass, [speaker002:] draw some horns. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] they do not disturb anybody um [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] they're kind of Buddhist in a way. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] So yeah, I like cows. [vocalsound] Um [vocalsound] my my role in the project is um uh the industrial designer, so I'm supposed to design all the details of of the product um ho how it works and whatever it'll mm take during the functional role, what are the various functions that have to be performed by it uh during the um conceptual design, what are the various components of it and um finally, I'm not too sure what was the last part. Um the detailed design, I I guess it will again be the identification of the components and how they integrate with each other. Um I'm from India. Uh I'm doing my PHD in Psycholinguistics, I sit at the Department of Psychology. [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker003:] Excellent. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Thanks. [speaker001:] Thank you. [speaker003:] Right, now now it's my turn obviously. [vocalsound] Okay, here's a space. [speaker001:] That doesn't look like a cow, does it? [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] It looks very very cute. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah, I like the cow. I'm Jen. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] [gap] [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] Um I like dogs too, but I can't do that already because I can't draw a dog as well as you can. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] I like [disfmarker] Mm. [speaker002:] Is that a lizard? [speaker001:] No way. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Hmm. [speaker004:] Wow. [speaker003:] It's a gecko. [speaker004:] Ah, a gecko, okay. [speaker001:] Ah okay. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Is there a difference? [speaker004:] Is [disfmarker] a ar are they also like lizards or are they [disfmarker] [speaker003:] They're [disfmarker] Yeah, they're [speaker004:] yeah, they are [speaker003:] l it's a kind of lizard. [speaker004:] [disfmarker] mm-hmm. [speaker003:] And I I like geckos because they remind me of warm places [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Ah. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] and, and where I was living in Cambodia they used to live in my house [speaker001:] Uh-huh. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] and they were on the ceiling and they would make little gecko noises in the evening. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] I hope you don't like snakes, do you? [speaker003:] I don't like snakes. I come from Australia [speaker004:] Okay. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] and we have nasty snakes. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] That's where I'm from, Australia. I'm from Melbourne and I'm your Project Manager for today and my role is basically to keep things going [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker003:] and make sure that you all work together in a productive way, so that by the end of the day we come up with a great product. [speaker004:] Wonderful. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker001:] Thank you. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] So, let's see what's next in the PowerPoint presentation. So, I've just thought [disfmarker] [speaker002:] If you right click on it you can [disfmarker] [speaker003:] yeah I've just thought about this that we could even put it much more professionally [vocalsound] as [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] there we go. Okay, so this is the um overall budget for our project. We've got [disfmarker] um we're planning to sell these remote controls for [disfmarker] let's make that go away, that means we've got five minutes. Um we're planning to sell the remote controls for twenty five Euros each. Um and with that we're aiming for a profit of fifty million Euros. And that's selling them on the international market, not just in the UK. Um so to do that our finance people estimate that we need production costs of maximum twelve and a half Euro so that we can reach that profit target. So that's something to keep in mind while you're designing. Okay. Hmm. This is [disfmarker] let me just skip ahead to see [disfmarker] that's the last thing, okay. We've only got a couple of minutes. Does anyone have any first ideas to bounce around about um what we're thinking of this remote control? [speaker004:] Yep. I'm just wondering whether whether there is like any special feature that we want to have [disfmarker] w want this remote control have as opposed to the already existing ones. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. I think that's probably something that w it's best if we take away with us, but if we all have a think, when we go away from the meeting, what specific things could be um included in this remote control that that [vocalsound] are out of the ordinary. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [vocalsound] I think uh i in the beginning uh one thing was [disfmarker] that was mentioned was that it should be mm trendy, user friendly and original so um I think your point is relevant as far as the originality is concerned, that we should provide some features that are quite unique to this. [speaker003:] Something something new. [speaker002:] Yeah, I was looking at the website, [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker002:] and the other things that they've made and I like put down some like inspirational words like that I got from looking at the pictures. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] So the motto is um we put the fashion in electronics and um so it's something that is sleek and stylish but it's still functional, you know? [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] So I'm kind of thinking, you know like those phones that they have, the new generation ones, where they don't actually have any buttons on them and stuff like that. [speaker003:] Uh-huh. [speaker001:] Alright. [speaker002:] You know, so something heading towards that, so it's not overly [disfmarker] I mean I don't know what h most of the buttons do on my remote controls, so I figure how many do you need, you know? [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker003:] So perhaps some sort of menu-based thing, or [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Something that's a little less crowded than this, like I mean you know, theoretically you can do all kinds of things with your TV, right? [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. Yeah. [speaker002:] But what do most people do? They turn it on, they watch certain specified channels, you know, and then they turn it off again. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] There is a lot of functionality in there that is not used ninety percent of the time, [speaker002:] Sometimes they play a movie. Yeah, [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] but will be used ten percent of the time, yeah. [speaker002:] so there's no need to have buttons on it to do that, [speaker003:] So, no. [speaker002:] maybe to do [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yep. [speaker003:] It could be one button for a menu or something, if you really need to go and do that. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] And then use the [disfmarker] [speaker002:] So, if you're the kind of sad case that knows how your remote control works, then you know that's fine [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker002:] and you can do it on the screen rather than everybody else having to have those buttons, which just confuse them. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Hmm. [speaker003:] Excellent. [speaker002:] 'Cause like if you look at the train, it's just very like, there's no extra bits on it, the train on the website and I dunno if you can put it up on the thing [speaker003:] Oh I haven't had a look yet, yep. [speaker002:] um but it is just like a long like thing used for mu moving people, but it looks really pretty too. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] [gap] [speaker003:] Great. Any other immediate thoughts before we move along? [speaker001:] Mm. [vocalsound] Uh we can aim for [disfmarker] I mean we can think about all these little things, but we can aim for something wi that gives a high battery life, although I don't think that um it's a huge problem for remote controls anyway, battery life, [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] uh every now and then you need to replace the batteries. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Um [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah but uh I mean e even though it has to be re original we shouldn't uh go like too far away from from the usual ones, [speaker001:] Hmm. [speaker004:] because otherwise the new users will just have a lot of problems [speaker001:] Yeah. A big learning curve, yeah. [speaker004:] with l [vocalsound] learning, yeah, yeah. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Yeah. So, i it should kind of fit in as well, and the stereotype of a [disfmarker] [speaker003:] It's like those fancy websites that you can't access [speaker004:] Hm-hmm. [speaker001:] yeah. [speaker003:] because you have no idea how to get in, but the designers thought they were great. Okay, so we need to wrap it up now, so that we can go away and get on with some of this. Um [vocalsound] we've got another meeting in thirty minutes, so you're [disfmarker] you'll be getting specific instructions once you go back to your workspace, but im basically you're looking at the working design, [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Alright. [speaker003:] you're looking at the technical functions design, and for you it's the user requirements specification, [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] like you said at the start. Okay? [speaker004:] Okay. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Thanks for that. [speaker004:] Thank you. [speaker003:] Uh I'll see you in half an hour. [speaker001:] [vocalsound]. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] See you. [speaker003:] Carry the laptops back again. [speaker001:] Hmm. [speaker003:] Do we need to unplug things? Probably.

[speaker002:] I'm sorry to be late. [speaker001:] Welcome back. Welcome back everybody. [speaker003:] Yeah. Thanks. [speaker001:] So this meeting agenda will be the detailed design meeting. And uh opening and uh PMs [gap] of the meet minutes, uh prototype presentation from uh Christine and uh Agnes. [speaker002:] Agnes, yes. [speaker001:] Yes and uh evaluation criteria. The finance, it's uh from my side, from the management, and uh production evaluation. Then uh closing. So we have forty minutes to discuss and uh finalise and close the product and project and to move further, okay, so [disfmarker] Okay, let's talk about uh maybe first uh for the prototype. [speaker003:] Mm, okay. [speaker001:] So I handle to [disfmarker] [speaker003:] I've done a presentation, but it pretty much covers work that we've both done, so if I'm missing anything, Christine can just correct me. [speaker001:] So shall I go to [speaker002:] Uh thank you, [speaker001:] [disfmarker] sorry. [speaker002:] so you did a PowerPoint presentation, good for you. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yep. S Okay, let's go to AMI. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] It's not the biggest PowerPoint presentation in the world, but [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] So in two or three or [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Three. Um. [vocalsound] No it's [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Probably. Technical pa I would think. [speaker003:] think it's the last one. No, then this is [vocalsound] the la yeah, that one, final design. [speaker004:] Ha. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] It is named appropriately, you just couldn't see the name. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Um okay, can I have the mouse? [speaker001:] Yes. [speaker003:] Thanks. Alright, so from [disfmarker] when we were discussing specifying the case in the last meeting, we decided that we wanted an ergonomic shape, the material that we chose was wood, and uh the colour would be customisable, 'cause you can stain the wood whatever colour. Um, so in terms of function, you have to be able to turn the TV on and off, volume and channel control, menu control, voice recognition control, and we've incorporated the LCD screen on the flip panel as part of the design, if we figure out it's too expensive, well then you just take it off. [vocalsound] Um, so [vocalsound] to unveil our lovely product. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] This is our remote control, with the flip panel as you can see. So if you lift up the panel, you can see the lovely yellow LCD display. [vocalsound] Um, this is actually hard to do. The yellow button you have is the on off button, so it's really big, hard to miss. You have the the red um triangles are the toggles for changing the volume. So up [disfmarker] volume up, down [disfmarker] volume down. The green are the channel changing. [vocalsound] S And it's one of those very light, very touchable displays. And then you have the numeric pad in the dark blue at the bottom, and on the right-hand side you have the access to the menu on the TV, and on the left-hand side you have the the the ability to turn off the voice recognition. So this is pretty much what we had on the white board the last time. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] So. [speaker002:] Um and uh I could [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Oh yes. [speaker002:] Yeah the d [speaker003:] Additional feature on the back is that you can have your own customised backing and I suppose you could do the same thing on the flip case on the front. So that you can really make this a highly highly customisable remote control. [speaker002:] We haven't um uh specified where the speaker or the microphone will be placed. That depends on the uh s design of the circuit board inside and uh what room is left um [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] I think the microphone is on on the top, uh on the middle, the [disfmarker] under the flip. [speaker002:] Yes, okay. Uh-huh. [speaker001:] So that will be the safe, so p any [disfmarker] the chip [disfmarker] it's not on the chip because you need to have microphone [gap] to [disfmarker] [speaker002:] No, I mean it depends on the design of the circuit board. [speaker001:] Yes. [speaker003:] But it shouldn't be under the flip either, because you can have the remote control closed, but you still might want to activate it by voice. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Uh it's it's [disfmarker] Yeah, but uh uh my opinion I think it's better under the flip because whenever you want to uh the talk, okay, so then you can speak then you can close it. But if you put it on the on the flip, okay, then uh technical I don't think it's uh feasible, 'cause most of the time you speak then it will be recognised. [speaker003:] But if you've already got the remote control in your hand you need to open the flip to use the voice, why use the voice, why not just use your hand? I mean the whole point of the voice is that if the remote control is sitting there and I'm too lazy to reach over and pick it up, I can just use my voice. [speaker002:] Maybe I've got my hand in the popcorn bowl and I'm holding my cup of Coca-Cola in the other hand. [speaker003:] Yeah. And you don't wanna let go of either one. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] I don't wanna say. Louder. [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] I mean it doesn't have to be on the flip, it can be on the side somewhere. [speaker004:] Can also be on the side. [speaker001:] Yeah, the sides maybe is good. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] So, I mean I can pass this around if anyone wants to [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yes. So it's maybe good idea. [speaker002:] Yeah, y better you pass it around with a napkin. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] No, because y you can easily put a microphone on the side that would have no problem would haven't been [disfmarker] not be damaged or anything, and it'd be accessible all the time to voice. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yes. Yeah [vocalsound]. [speaker003:] Yeah, exactly. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] So it's maybe good idea. S s [speaker002:] It's um [disfmarker] It's um [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Compliments to the artist. [speaker002:] You need to work on the weight a little bit. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yes. [speaker004:] Uh [vocalsound]. [speaker001:] Okay. S [vocalsound] I'm fine, I'm satisfi [speaker003:] And maybe the shape of the buttons, the little egg shapes aren't the most economical, but [disfmarker] [speaker001:] I'm satisfied. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] We're glad you're satisfied. [speaker001:] Of course it's it's it's looks more heo heavy, but I think when it's completely [gap] maybe it's a less weight. [speaker003:] Yeah. I mean this is plasticene. There's only so much you can do. [speaker001:] Yes. [speaker003:] We could have possibly made it a lot thinner as well. [vocalsound] But [disfmarker] And part of the thing is m a lot of people say that they don't like something that's too light, because they don't feel like they have enough control over it. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] So I mean maybe this is excessively heavy, but I think it needs to have some weight, it needs to feel like you're still holding something. [speaker001:] Yep. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] So that's pretty much it for our presentation actually. [speaker001:] That's your uh prototype model? [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Okay, that's good, thank you very much. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] So any comments or uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Well, the prototype is is very well within the design and ideas that we've we've talked about on the previous meetings. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] Now it goes into this next phase as the financial uh marketing uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yes, that uh [disfmarker] So I'll come back to the [disfmarker] [gap] So evaluation criteria, I think uh that will be good, so then let's come to the finance uh, I have some uh calculations which I made uh as for uh the budget. So here you can uh look like uh the energy [gap] and uh [gap] dynamo and uh kinetic and solar cells. Uh it's optional, somewhat optional and Ed wants the chip on print, that's what uh we were talking about that. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] So then we have sample sensor and sample speaker, then uh we have the wood material, then special colour and push button. So it's uh [disfmarker] actually, our budget was uh twelve point five Euro, but uh it's coming to nine point nine five Euro, so we are under uh [disfmarker] below the budget, okay, so still we are saving some money. I think it's a good figure. [speaker002:] Yes, great [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] I [disfmarker] I'm surprised. [vocalsound] Congratulations. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Than thank you. [speaker004:] Well we haven't come to mine yet, so [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Oh, okay [speaker004:] we're gonna have a bit of difference of opinion, yes. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] It's gonna cost a long way to c you know, cost a lot of money to market it, is it? [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] So maybe it's [disfmarker] for some money we can utilise for our uh marketing, for the sales, okay, and uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Well, it just depends on if we're gonna add a [vocalsound] o on this pr provisionary cost analysis, we do not have a LC display. LC display is gonna be very expensive, [speaker003:] No we do, but it's not filled in. [speaker004:] it's gonna be [disfmarker] [speaker003:] It's number thirty. [speaker004:] It's not [disfmarker] it doesn't say. [speaker001:] It's not. [speaker002:] Thirty. [speaker004:] We don't have the price up there, [speaker001:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker003:] Oh, yeah, yeah, you're right, sorry, yes. [speaker001:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker004:] okay, so if we add approximately two to three Euro per remote, now we're up around about twelve, twelve and a half as to what uh the company had initially uh requested. Um [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah. So that means we can put the uh [disfmarker] the LCD in, yeah. [speaker004:] Display in. But as far as production um I'm putting up a question because we're talking about profit also, and in mine you'll see uh [vocalsound] the problem with uh our survey, the p the possibility that how many units can be sold, what percentage of the market, etcetera etcetera because that [gap] has to be taken in into consideration. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Uh this is just production cost, it is not uh advertising cost, it's not transportation cost uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yes, so still uh we have twelve point five Euro. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] And that will inflate quite a bit the cost of the uh [disfmarker] the cost of the unit for the company. [speaker001:] Yes. [gap] Yeah, but [disfmarker] Yes. Yep. [speaker003:] Um-hmm. [speaker004:] So to come up with what the company wants is a fifty million Pound profit, we're gonna have to go a long ways. [speaker001:] Yes. This we are talking about one unit, okay, [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yes. [speaker001:] so when it go into the quantity, okay, and the cost will come down. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Although customisation, because this is being done, you know, the on [disfmarker] on-order basis, it might be uh the the quantity won't m won't uh [speaker004:] Slightly. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] It's gonna be very hard to reduce. [speaker003:] Yes. [speaker002:] the circuit board will b you're right, would be in producing quantity, but the cost of the case would uh [vocalsound] be fixed at the [disfmarker] Uh you got some pretty cheap labour that can do this case for one Euro. [speaker004:] That's not bad. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] That's really [disfmarker] that's the cost of the material and lab wow, that's really outstanding. [speaker001:] Yep. Yeah. [vocalsound] [vocalsound] But anyhow, still we are under control, okay, so what uh I will do is I will try to negotiate with the vendors, okay, to get uh the production cost less, okay, so then we can save some money, okay, to put into th our marketing or uh you know the promotions, whatever, okay, so that uh I will look after. I will speak to the management and how to get uh you know some more uh cost down. [speaker004:] If we can go to to my display. And we'll come back to yours [speaker001:] Yes. [speaker004:] just to give everybody an idea of the market. So now I'm gonna scare everybody out of this project. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] If I'm still here. [speaker001:] You're in four? [speaker004:] [gap] Yep The four gives me [disfmarker] it's gotta be uh TrendWatch. [speaker001:] TrendWatch. [speaker002:] Is this the same one you did before? [speaker004:] No. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker004:] It shouldn't be if it's not [disfmarker] it's not the right one. [speaker003:] That's [disfmarker] no, I think it's the same one. [speaker004:] No, no we g no, that's the same one. You have to go back and find another one. Whatever name it popped up under. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Uh functional, try functional, [speaker003:] Functional. [speaker004:] it might not be it either, but we'll see. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] It looks like it, there's [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yep, that's it. [speaker003:] S Yeah. [speaker004:] So we'll go screen by screen. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] Although [vocalsound] since uh we need to have some type of idea on a market uh we had independent study that says it [disfmarker] this this market has an availability to absorb eight mi eight million units per year. Okay? Our internal company evaluation puts it between eight to nine million which is approximately the same as the independent study. [speaker001:] Yep. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] So if we continue, we'll look at the findings. Next screen. [vocalsound] Which means that uh if we have a target of two million would the company has to take twenty five percent of the market in the first year, [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] which is actually a tremendous amount. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah, no kidding. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] No kidding, yeah. [speaker002:] Mayb maybe they already expected something. [speaker004:] So, if we put an inflated price of fifty Euro at a production cost that cannot exceed twenty-five Euro, okay, we're already in that that price, okay, [speaker001:] Yes. [speaker004:] with transport, promotion, labour, because we hav [gap] gi included the promotion in the cost, transport for the material to the stores or whatever how however we're gonna break this down between our our retailers. [speaker003:] Um-hmm. [speaker004:] Twenty-five percent of the market to get to two million units. At two million units, we have to have a profit of twenty-five Euro per unit to get to the fifty million unit Eu Euro profit. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. Yep. [speaker004:] Okay? So, obviously we w w I just did a run down the evaluation of the form, the fan uh the fancy stylishness of the [disfmarker] of the unit, the ease of use, speech recognition, cost, we've gone through these. Now, the company must evaluate the feasibility of being able to take enough of the market to justify in production. Or we project this over two years, but being that the market changes very very quickly, maybe there's no more interest in buying this thing in eighteen months from now. [speaker001:] Yes. Yep. [speaker004:] So, now we have to come up with a decision. [speaker001:] Of course. [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker004:] Can the company sell two million units? [speaker001:] Yep. [speaker004:] Can it sell it for fifty Euros? [speaker002:] Could could I go to findings? [speaker001:] Yep. [speaker002:] Uh uh um I would uh like to explore the possibility of using um alternative um delivery and sales channel which would be um to use the internet for promotion and ordering [speaker003:] [vocalsound] I was thinking the same thing, yeah. [speaker001:] Yes. [speaker002:] and then to drop-ship the p product to the customer's residence. [speaker003:] Directly. [speaker002:] That way you have no storage, you have no um [disfmarker] you do have transportation, still have the labour cost, [speaker003:] Um-hmm. [speaker002:] but you don't have the transport to the uh point of sale. [speaker001:] Yes. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] The point of sale is online. [speaker001:] To the agents. [speaker003:] Yeah. You can do a shipping centre somewhere, or strategically place shipping centres to minimise distance costs. [speaker002:] Right, like Amazon. In fact, we should sell through Amazon, [speaker001:] Yes. [speaker002:] don't you think? [speaker001:] Or eBay, or [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Or eBay, yeah. [speaker001:] Yes. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] [gap] [speaker002:] There's an idea. Going with um [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah, that's a good idea. To impro more profit and uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] S Upscale technology. [speaker001:] Yeah, yes. [speaker002:] Ah, we we're do you know, selling a unique product uh. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Well. [speaker003:] That actually makes more sense if we're gonna make it so highly customisable, 'cause on the web people can look at the different options they have, see maybe what other people have done, what the range of possibility as, [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker004:] There are several companies that have gone that way. [speaker003:] whereas if you're in a store, you can't [disfmarker] unless you're a highly imaginative person, you may not really know what it is you want, [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker003:] whereas on the web, if you have a bunch of pictures, it can sort of trigger ideas and [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. And you can even have an [disfmarker] a movie that you can rotate the object and look at the di [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] the only thing that you're missing really is the weight. [speaker003:] The weight and feel. [speaker004:] Weight, the feel of the product, but [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] We're getting used to that. It's not quite like trying on a shoe, but people are getting used to buying things online that they can't touch before buying. [speaker003:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker004:] There are several that have gone through with the watches, too. You can customise a watch, you can see how it is at the f at the end of the production, [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Uh-huh. [speaker004:] you can change it uh [disfmarker] There's a lot of online that's [disfmarker] that is doing this now. [speaker003:] Yes. [speaker004:] And when you're rotating, you'll look behind and look this way uh [disfmarker] it's possible to do with this, maybe there's a possibility of selling more than two million units in one year, which could [vocalsound] you know, feasibili feasibility uh lower the price of the unit. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] We can. [speaker002:] Great. [speaker001:] I don't think that's uh not possible, it's uh [disfmarker] okay then, l uh let's wait for the production, okay, then uh you can evaluate the product, so how it looks like technically and uh how it look like uh the real. [speaker003:] What turnaround time do we have? [speaker001:] T [speaker003:] 'Cause I mean production evaluation can be very very quick or very very long. [speaker001:] Oh but [disfmarker] Yes it's it's very quick, of course. It will uh come back in two weeks, okay, it will be ready in two weeks. [speaker002:] Works for me. [speaker001:] For evaluation, okay. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Prototypes, you mean. [speaker001:] Yes, the prototype uh [disfmarker] prototype product evaluation. [speaker002:] In um [disfmarker] We probably should do some market tests uh once we have the prototypes and do some orders and things like that and test-market it. [speaker001:] Yes. [speaker004:] Well, obviously. [speaker001:] Yes. Yes. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Mm that'd have to be thrown out on the market for people to get an idea, [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] to see [disfmarker] get get their [disfmarker] [speaker001:] So you can take a minimum two weeks to a maximum four weeks. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. Think minimum two weeks if we're gonna develop prototypes and then try to take them to different places and see how people use [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] it's not a trivial task. [speaker001:] Yeah, because we we are not going to do it in uh our factory, okay, so we can give it a product evalua [speaker003:] No no. We definitely shouldn't do it in our factory. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yes, yes. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] So we'll do it in the other place, and I don't think it's take more than four weeks time. Or uh [disfmarker] Okay, so then the real production we will start once we product evaluation, okay, then uh it's approve from uh the technical team and uh your team, okay, uh from the management, then we can launch in the market. Hm? [speaker002:] Any outstanding [disfmarker] [vocalsound]? [speaker001:] S Any any other uh questions or uh comments to be discuss? [speaker002:] No, I'm [speaker003:] What ab [speaker004:] I think we pretty much covered everything. [speaker002:] [disfmarker] go ahead. [speaker001:] Okay, so then uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Did you have something? [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Well I was just wondering about if we're gonna do a product evaluation then what about time for redesign if the users come back and tell us no this is bad, this is bad, we want this done differently. [speaker001:] Okay uh, let's take like this. Let's proceed with this model, okay, for the for the marketing direction, okay. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] So no more changes will be made, okay, in this [disfmarker] the basic design. Okay? So we will introduce m this model and uh let's introduce in the market and let's take the feedback from the customers, then we can uh go for the [speaker002:] Second generation. [speaker001:] second generation. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Okay. There's no end, there's not limit. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] The problem is there might not be a second generation if the first generation flops for some silly reason that we haven't thought of. [speaker001:] Every every custom [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Well, then it may not be. [speaker001:] Okay. Well, every customer, okay, they have their own ideas, they have their own test, okay, so there's no end, there's no limit. [speaker004:] Like people don't like wood. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] No, but there's a difference between releasing a product that has been minimally tested and fine-tuned to suit a general range of requirements versus releasing a product that we think will work but we don't really have anything to back it up. [speaker004:] [gap] very specific. [speaker001:] Yeah, so that's the reason you are here for uh the design, okay, I hope you made a good design. [speaker003:] Yes, but I'm not everybody. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] I mean the whole point of user evaluation is to see what real people need. We have our own motivations in mind, we have our own ideas in mind, but that doesn't mean that that's what's gonna sell. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yeah, but uh see, we ought to take a few considerations, okay, one is the price consideration, one is future consideration, okay, like uh you can eat uh [disfmarker] you can all eat more chi I can eat more chilli, okay, [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] so i it's a depends on the individual taste, you know, so we have we have to balance somewhere. [speaker003:] Yeah, of course. I'm just trying to point out that I think that your evaluation and redesign turnaround time is too short [disfmarker] well you have no redesign [disfmarker] not you personally, but in the project we have no redesign time and [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yes. [speaker002:] Our project doesn't [disfmarker] um [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Ed, d do you know what season of the year or time of the year is the most important for TV remote control sales? [speaker004:] Hmm. [speaker002:] Would it be the Christmas season by any chance? [speaker001:] The sports time. [speaker002:] Sports season. [speaker004:] Right before the Eur [vocalsound] the World Cup. [vocalsound] World soccer. World Cup soccer, [speaker002:] Which sport season? [speaker001:] Football. [speaker002:] So [disfmarker] so [speaker003:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] they need those things that they have their hands g occupied and they need to be able to talk to the con remote control. [speaker001:] Football. [speaker002:] maybe what [vocalsound] [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] So I think what we need to do is perhaps to synchronise the final [disfmarker] the the launch of a user-tested device with some [gap] special event. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yes. Yes. [speaker003:] Yeah, that's a good idea. [speaker002:] And and then um [disfmarker] so that gives us a little more time perhaps then we anticipated, because I don't know when the World Cup is, but I'm sure there's gonna be one. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Or any major sports. [speaker002:] Or another [gap] m major sports event. Probably not the um the football games coming up the end of January. I think that might be a little too aggressive um, [speaker001:] Yes. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] but, so, I'm just ig uh pointing out a uh a strategy to uh do some additional user testing [speaker001:] Research. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] pri and then to launch um at a a major sports event or uh perhaps to uh also [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yep. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] That's actually good place to advertise it too. [speaker002:] And to work with motion pictures. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] There might be some motion pictures that are coming out um [disfmarker] that are coming out on DVD that uh they need to have a m special remote control to work with it, so we could maybe work out a campaign with uh with Sony Pictures for example. [speaker001:] Yes. [speaker002:] Maybe some management has got uh relationships there we can leverage. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Yes, the [disfmarker] that of course uh I will convince the management to do that, okay. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] That's great. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] It's just something to to keep in mind, 'cause it's really really important. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Sure, sure, yes. [speaker003:] A lot of products have gone out there without being properly user-tested and completely flopped, when in fact it gets re-released a few years down the line with proper testing and it takes off like crazy. [speaker002:] Disposable diapers is an example of that in fact. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Really? [speaker002:] Yes, [speaker003:] [vocalsound] That I didn't know. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] it is one of the first consumer products that was launched about thirty years [disfmarker] that was a disposable consumer product, and uh people [disfmarker] the market hadn't really [vocalsound] gotten on to the concept that you could use something and then throw it away, 'cause it wasn't uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] but then when they re-launched them thirty years later, they were virtually the same design, [speaker001:] [gap]. [speaker002:] but people had gotten the throw-away, you know, paper cups and napki y all kinds of things that they hadn't um [disfmarker] so, you're right, timing is very important, [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] but I think we've got a good product. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] That's the reason Ed is here. I think he can promote the the brand value and the product value. [speaker002:] That's right. It's gonna be very important to the company. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yes. We are behind the scene and he is the front screen, so. [speaker003:] Yep. [speaker004:] Yeah, I'm the one who takes the heat. [speaker001:] He's on the big screen. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Exactly. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Good luck, Ed. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] If it's a flop, it's the marketer. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] You look very relaxed, considering h you know, the uh the weight on your shoulders, yeah. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yes. Yes. Stress. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Okay, so then uh let's come to the closing and uh are the costs within the budget [speaker004:] Celebration. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] and uh is the product evaluated, okay, so that will uh come soon. Okay for uh [disfmarker] but our time being, so thanks for all your efforts and great work and uh great design and uh let's leave it to the Ed for later for once production is over and the meantime let's celebrate. So let's meet up uh this evening to hang up for some party. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Sounds good. [speaker001:] 'S good. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Very good. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker002:] Thank you. Nice working with you. [speaker004:] Thank you very much. [speaker001:] Thank you. [speaker003:] Thanks [speaker001:] Thank you again for all. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [gap] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] And see you in the evening for drinks. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] Bye-bye. Yep, okay, see you later on. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Bye.

[speaker002:] Hmm. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Good morning everybody. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Good morning. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Good morning. [speaker004:] Good morning. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] So, we are asked to to make uh uh a new remote control for television. And the characteristics of this new remote control should be original and trendy and of course user user friendly. So people can [gap] can use it without any any problem. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [gap]. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] I don't know. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Well, I think we should set the the points to to drive the project and uh [speaker002:] Mm. B did you send us an email about this? [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Uh, not yet, [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] but if you want [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah, we we received an email about this uh d designs. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Do you want do you want me to send you a mail? [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Ah it's Okay. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Or [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Or you can put it in the shared folder. [speaker002:] Yeah, you see the email? You [gap] email. The v very [disfmarker] no, no the first one. [speaker004:] No, I didn't get it. [speaker002:] It's inside. [speaker001:] Uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] This one. [speaker002:] No, no. [speaker004:] No. [speaker002:] The third one. Oh, you didn't get anything. [speaker004:] No, [gap]. [speaker002:] It's strange. [vocalsound] [vocalsound] Mm. [vocalsound] I got an email about the dis about the discussion. Yeah. [speaker001:] [gap]. You get email, [gap]. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] I dunno from who. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah, from the account manager. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] From the account manager. You have received the same email, right? [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] I think it's for your guys to [vocalsound] how to design it all the aspects so you need that information. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah, I think so. [speaker002:] Yeah, so each of us has a role to do. [speaker004:] Yeah [speaker001:] S [speaker004:] [vocalsound] I think [gap] assign your uh roles. [speaker002:] In each [disfmarker] We already have our role. [speaker001:] For each for each one. [speaker004:] For each person, yeah. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] 'Kay, we can [disfmarker] [speaker001:] So there are [disfmarker] so we have three [disfmarker] [speaker002:] So there are three kinds of designs, that's all. [speaker001:] f yeah. We have functional design, conceptual design, and detail design. [speaker002:] Okay, alright. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] So, who will be the the responsible for the functional design? [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Any any volunteer? [speaker003:] I think our uh responsibilities will be assigned when we [disfmarker] in our mail we received from the account manager. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah, yeah. [speaker003:] Uh [speaker002:] I'm doing the interface. [speaker001:] You are doing th [speaker003:] No, I'm doing the interface. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [gap]. [speaker002:] Are you using the [disfmarker] you are doing the in [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah I I'm I'm [disfmarker] Well, maybe we have [disfmarker] okay so I [gap] industrial design. It was a little confusion about my uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Ah [vocalsound] [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] but it's alright. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] Okay, I'll for industrial design. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Okay. And and you [disfmarker] Norman? [speaker002:] Mm? Um working on i. [vocalsound] User interface. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] User. [speaker001:] And [disfmarker] And [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Uh, I'm into marketing. [speaker001:] [gap] doing the marketing. [speaker004:] [gap] yeah nothing much in the project. [speaker001:] Nothing related here to the [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Marketing in this design. A design is basically for industrial design and the user interface. [speaker002:] Yes. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] You see the second mail? Yeah, it's inside. Go down. Appendix. [speaker004:] Yeah, this is [gap]. [speaker002:] See there's a role for everybody. [speaker004:] Yeah, that's right, first [gap]. [speaker002:] Even for the marketing. [speaker004:] [gap] us user define. [speaker001:] Next [gap]. [speaker002:] But look at your role, your marketing role. [speaker004:] There's a trend watching. [speaker001:] I don't know. [speaker002:] Yeah, that's your role. [speaker001:] I [gap]. [speaker003:] Well, I think we can have a little discussion about what has to be done and what are your ideas about the [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] About the design or [disfmarker] Maybe we'll discuss this later, no? [speaker003:] Well, w we want to have a new re remote control for for TV distribution I guess. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] So we have to [vocalsound] plan how how it would be developed and uh [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker003:] how we can make it work [vocalsound]. [speaker002:] Yes. [speaker004:] I mean working remotes we already have. This will be something different from the other remotes [disfmarker] remote controls. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yeah, I dunno I [disfmarker] [speaker001:] What we we have to keep in mind the [disfmarker] these characteristics. And of course it should not be very costly. [speaker004:] Yeah, that's right. [speaker001:] So [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Well I I think that Norman and I would think about um the technical points and um we should discuss it in the next meeting, or [speaker002:] Need to collect information. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] About the [disfmarker] about what? [speaker002:] Um. [vocalsound] I I'm part of design, perhaps. Uh, what is most important in a [disfmarker] in a remote control? What is the most important function aspect? Uh. [speaker001:] You mean the external [gap] or [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Well, you have to make it work. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yeah of g of course. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] That's alright. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] That's the [vocalsound] that's the big thing. [speaker002:] Yeah, it should be easy to work with. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah [gap]. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] We can think about an interface with uh well [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Uh. We [disfmarker] maybe you can have a speech uh recognition interface. You just tell the television I want [disfmarker] which channel. Or or you can say for example, um [disfmarker] [vocalsound] I want uh to list all the programme tonight. [speaker001:] You won't [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Y you know [gap], instead of [gap] uh remote control it's doing the [disfmarker] some searching for you, so you don't have to look for the channel you want. Just say maybe I just want to press [disfmarker] I wanna have a button for all the movies tonight. Or a button for all the magazines, all the information [disfmarker] documentary tonight. And then you list a few, and I will choose from the list. So instead of pressing the channel number, I am choosing the programmes directly. [speaker003:] Yeah, yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah, that's one way of uh making it useful. [speaker001:] I I think if we include a lot of technology on the remote control it will be very costly. [speaker002:] No, because [disfmarker] no, it's not very [disfmarker] a lot. [speaker001:] S [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Th this information exists. For example you can get um [vocalsound] [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Like s uh you you you say we can use speech. [speaker002:] You can use uh [disfmarker] well for example [disfmarker] anything. [vocalsound] The [vocalsound] the idea of using speech to reduce the button, but uh and it's more natural. Yeah. [speaker003:] I [disfmarker] I think if you want t to choose uh from a list of programme or or something like that you you may have to to use uh w uh I dunno [speaker004:] I'm a [disfmarker] okay. [speaker002:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker004:] I mean the main uh function of remote control is to have something in the hand and we should be very careful about the size of the remote control. [speaker001:] In the hand. Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] If we are going to add a speech interface, I'm not sure with [gap] trendy slim size of the remote control it would be able to put a speech recog [speaker002:] Yeah. Yes, possible. [speaker004:] if you want to put a speech recognition system f interface for that I think the TV itself could have it. [speaker002:] Yeah. But [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] And I could talk to the TV [disfmarker] television itself. [speaker001:] Except if if you are far from the TV. [speaker004:] I need not have an [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] I mean we have some [gap] or something, different technology but [disfmarker] [speaker001:] This is [vocalsound] it's [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah, yeah. But th the main idea I wanted to s I wanted to say is that um [vocalsound] there should be a function, instead of choosing the ch TV channel, there's a option you can choose, either TV channels or or pr or the or the contain or the contents of the programme. [speaker003:] On the content. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm, yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah, yeah it's it's a good idea it's a good idea [speaker002:] So it's more powerful. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] but I I think that technically it would be um a little bit uh uh more tricky to to achieve this than just to [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah. No. No, because you see now all the TV programmes are available on the webs. They they are [disfmarker] they are [disfmarker] they are available in XML format or whatever the format. We don't care. We just say that this are some content. We just want to retrieve the content and then classi sort them by the types of programmes. Some of the websites they already provide this service, [speaker003:] Yeah yeah. [speaker002:] so we can just use the service available. Download it uh to the [disfmarker] to this remote control. And then there's [disfmarker] there are only six buttons for six categories, or sev seven. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker002:] The most there are only seven buttons. So I just choose the category one and you reuse the same button, for example to to choose among the the sorted list the programme you want, so [vocalsound] you don't have to choose among hundred channels, if you have hundred channels, you just have six buttons, seven buttons. [speaker001:] Yeah we should also optimise the the number of buttons. [speaker003:] Well I I I I think that j just by using navigation buttons and the user interface on the screen we are able to uh navigate uh through the [disfmarker] Well channel programme or contents or [disfmarker] in an easy way, so [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah, yeah. [speaker001:] This is [gap] good idea. [speaker002:] Yeah. Ah, yes. So [gap]. Yeah. Yeah, so you don't have to display here, just display on the TV screen, right? [speaker003:] Yeah in the dis display on the TV screen [speaker002:] Good idea [vocalsound]. [speaker003:] and just uh with the with your remote control would just navigate through the f [speaker002:] Okay. I think I think that will be revol revolutionary [vocalsound]. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Because all the TV uh the the remote control have all numbers, lots of buttons and then you dunno what to choose in the end. [speaker003:] Yeah, yeah. So [vocalsound] [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah. [vocalsound] Alright. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] I think for for the technical points we have to to to check how to gather the data from programme or contents and all this stuff [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] So we have five minutes to [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Ah w w we have sometimes to use the white-board. [speaker001:] Ah you can y you can you can use it if you [disfmarker] so, can we [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Five minutes. [speaker004:] And another interesting idea for this would be to have an light adaptation system depending upon the picture of [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Okay. Okay. [speaker004:] So, I mean, if you're watching a movie and suddenly there is a dark uh [vocalsound] some dark scene, the lights adapt themself. [speaker002:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker001:] S [speaker004:] The lighting in the room changes. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yeah, but we are designing just remote control. [speaker001:] You [disfmarker] it [gap]. [speaker004:] I mean, we have a option in the remote control. If we want to have that option, you press that button in the remote. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker003:] Oh right so [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Okay, do you want to have a conceptual remote control there, or you just want to put the function in? [speaker001:] Yeah. If if you you you can if you want you can use th the [gap]. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Please, Norman, draw uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Go on, draw something [gap]. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Oh, I'm afraid you forgot to put your lapel. [speaker002:] Mm. Where is it? [speaker004:] The lapel. [speaker001:] Or before the before the the design that says [gap]. [speaker002:] Ah, okay. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Where where is it? Here. [speaker004:] Yeah, that one. Just plug it. [speaker001:] Norman. [speaker004:] Yeah, that's right. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] Be before before writing you can uh sit [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] and that says [gap] what we what we said then after that you can you can use the [gap]. Yeah. [speaker002:] Okay, alright. So so the most functional des mm the most important function is to ch choo buttons to choose the content. Right? We agree on that, right? [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker002:] Uh, uh first one is to uh [vocalsound] buttons i or it could be anything with [gap] buttons. Uh to choose uh content s or channels. [speaker001:] Okay. Yeah. [speaker002:] So we have both. The user can choose w which one they want, right? [speaker003:] Yeah, by content or by channel, it's a good idea. [speaker002:] By content or by channel. Choose by contents or by channels. And then what did we say just now? Other than this. [speaker003:] And uh we we have to find a way how to gather information about the contents. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker002:] Okay, so technically how [disfmarker] the problems that [disfmarker] how to do it is to [disfmarker] how to get the content. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker002:] Challenge. [speaker003:] I think i it's not very difficult to to browse by channel but it's a little bit tricky to browse by contents so [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Okay. Content. Okay, so these we have to work it out. So this one of the problem. And uh [vocalsound] [disfmarker] [speaker003:] I think that's the [gap] the things to do [speaker002:] The main thing. [speaker003:] and uh to uh reflect about it [speaker002:] Okay. Alright. [speaker003:] and uh discuss it in the next meeting. [speaker002:] Alright, okay. So we are [disfmarker] we'll discuss it [disfmarker] we will get some information in the next meeting, so for now we get uh the funct this is the functional designer [gap]? That's the first aspect. Right. We will [gap] get information and then we'll come back in. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker002:] [gap]. [speaker003:] Thank you everybody. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Okay. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yeah, we'll come. [speaker001:] So maybe we'll meet in maybe five minutes? And we'll discuss the other other aspects. [speaker002:] Alright. Alright, okay. [speaker003:] Okay. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Thank you, [speaker001:] Okay. Well thank you all [gap]. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] mis [vocalsound]

[speaker001:] So welcome. The first kick-off meeting. What shall we do? First the opening, then the rest. What are we going to do. We m have to make a new remote control. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] It has to be original, trendy and user-friendly. So we will get back th on that. First we have to make a functional design. After that we have to make a conceptual design, and then after that a detailed design. So we'll discuss that later. First we have a look at [gap]. So first to [disfmarker] we have to make a small painting. What have [disfmarker] do we have to do. First you can save the documents. We have to do that every time we make something. You can print it. No. And we have to use [vocalsound] the pen and the eraser. So [disfmarker] Now. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] We all have to use this one. You have to make your own favourite animal. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] So I'll make an example. [speaker004:] Yep. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] First don't touch that things. [vocalsound] You can use the pen. And then you can make [vocalsound] um something. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Nice. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Um you can change some things. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Um format, line, and change it. [gap] [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] And you can change the colour. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] An elephant. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] So that's it. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] So [disfmarker] So and after it you have to save it. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker001:] Now we can make a new one. You have to paint now. [speaker004:] Oh. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] So you're next. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] 'Kay. [speaker004:] Well we will try. Where it going? [speaker003:] [gap]. [speaker002:] Hmm. That's uh strange. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [gap]. [speaker001:] What is going on? [speaker003:] [gap] pop-ups. [speaker001:] What are you [disfmarker] What? [speaker004:] Hmm. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [gap]. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] What is this, Pictionary. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Um [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Uh a bird. [speaker001:] Is a [disfmarker] It is a [disfmarker] It is a [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Bird. [speaker001:] A duck. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] So [disfmarker] Now save? [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yes. Hmm. [speaker004:] Now uh blank? [speaker001:] Blank, yes. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Okay next one. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Okay. Let's try this. Uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Whoo. [speaker004:] Yeah, yeah. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Um. Mm-hmm. Mm. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Oh. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Oh not. Oh. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Okay. Okay. Yeah. No problem. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Shit happens. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] I'm not getting anything uh on my screen now. Okay. [speaker003:] A parrot. Ish. [speaker004:] Wow. Oh. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] He did it before. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] No, no. Yeah. Okay. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Nice. [speaker003:] Oh. [speaker001:] Very good. [speaker002:] Uh blank. [speaker003:] Thank you. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Okay. Very good. So um you can always go back. [gap] So [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] That's it. So that was two. Now next. The budget. The b Uh we will sell the t at twenty five Euros. And we have only twenty of twelve and a half Euro to make it. So [vocalsound] now we have to think about what we will make. First I wanna hear from you. Uh what are your experiences with remote controls. So [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Uh I will start. [speaker001:] F first [gap]. [speaker003:] Uh [disfmarker] [gap] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Big one, they are uh not easy to use. Um I have one set and uh a remote control, when I dropped it, uh it broke. So that won't be uh our goal, I think. [speaker002:] No. [speaker003:] And uh g big buttons, [vocalsound] m uh that's easier to use than uh [disfmarker] I think. Not all the small buttons, you don't know [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Is this positive or negative, that uh big buttons? [speaker003:] Big buttons, positive. [speaker001:] Positive. [speaker003:] All all small buttons like when you have uh like a hundred buttons on your remote control, you won't know what they're working for. [speaker001:] Okay. What are your experiences? [speaker002:] Uh well I think the the the goal of a remote control is that it's it it has an influence on the TV set. And that it controls the channels and the the volume. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker002:] And uh I I I think it's positive if there's a a LED uh uh a LED on the corner of the of the remote. So that you know it s it still has batteries on it [disfmarker] in it. And that if you push the button the LED uh gives a light, and uh and you see that it's working. And uh yeah. Uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] So and do they always have that? [speaker002:] Yeah, but [disfmarker] No no no. But I [disfmarker] my my experience is that it it it's convenient to have that. [speaker001:] It's easy to you. [speaker002:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker001:] Okay. 'Kay. [speaker004:] Uh at home we have a TV, a video uh recorder, a DVD player, and a satellite receiver. We have uh four distinctive remote controls for that. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Thank you. [speaker004:] That's not really ea easy. [speaker003:] Help also. [vocalsound] Thank you. [speaker004:] So it would be nice if we have one for all. And we also had a remote control for our radio set. But um i it it had a lot of buttons on it, and you didn't know which one was what. And it was uh uh v [vocalsound] not easy to use. So we n barely used it. [speaker001:] Okay so they have too much. So next. [speaker002:] Hmm. [speaker001:] For our own remote control we have to think how do we make it. So what ideas do you have for it, for the new remote control? What what does it have to have? [vocalsound] [speaker003:] The weight. Not not too heavy. [speaker001:] Not too heavy. [speaker003:] Not much buttons. [speaker001:] Yes. Yeah. [speaker003:] Bust-free. That when you drop it, it won't break. Like uh some kind of rubber on it. Or hard uh hard plastic. Uh buttons not too small. Uh something like when you uh lose your uh remote control, sometimes it happen. Uh it between the couch and you can't find it. [speaker001:] Yes. [speaker003:] When you push a but a button on the TV, then you hear some [gap] [disfmarker] uh some sort of bleep. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Like a phone. [speaker003:] And then you uh, hey there there's remote control. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] So, [speaker003:] Next. [speaker001:] that's [gap]. [speaker002:] Yeah well that's [disfmarker] that are good ideas. Uh [disfmarker] Yeah well the LED on the corner, that that indicates that it's working. If you push a button. Um [disfmarker] Yeah. And looking on the budget, not too expensive uh material. So probably plastic or something. Uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah I think it uh [disfmarker] from a marketing point of view, it also has to look nice. Or you won't sell it. [speaker001:] Yes. [speaker004:] And um yeah uh on our website we can see what products we already have. And it should work with as many uh as possible of them. [speaker001:] Okay. This is [disfmarker] It has to be compatible with other things. [speaker004:] Yes. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] I have one more idea. Just popped up. [speaker001:] Yes? [speaker003:] Uh it it won't take a lot of batteries. So you don't [disfmarker] won't have to change the batteries uh once a week or uh once every two weeks. [speaker001:] No battery use. So more ideas? [speaker002:] Mm no. [speaker001:] No okay. It's only the first ideas. So [vocalsound] uh what are we going to do now is [disfmarker] Next meeting is in half an h hour. Uh [disfmarker] [vocalsound] Okay. Next meeting, half an hour. Um, what you have to do. Well look on your [gap]. And [disfmarker] Next instructions you'll get in your email. So [disfmarker] This is the first meeting. See you later in half an hour. [speaker002:] Yes. [speaker003:] Okay. Thank you. [speaker004:] Okay.

[speaker001:] Okay um, welcome to our detailed design meeting. I'm pretty excited. Let's start it's approximately fifteen forty or something like that. Okay um the agenda [disfmarker] we're gonna do an opening and then um I'll talk about the minutes from the last meeting, what we d discussed um, then we'll have the prototype presentation and a look at the evaluation criteria. We'll look at the finances and finally a [disfmarker] do a production evaluation and close. So, starting off with the um last [disfmarker] the last one, oh I don't have it here um, but we talked about energy, we're gonna use a kinetic battery um, we want to use a simple chip, because we're not gonna need a a shuffle um, we're gonna need a scroll um, we're choosing a latex case w in fruity colours that's curved and um we're using push buttons uh with a supplement of an on-screen menu. And it sounded like we had set um like eight or nine buttons, including five pre-set channels. Okay? Let's do the look and feel design presentation first. [speaker003:] Right, do you wanna start? [speaker002:] Right, well we made three different prototypes and I guess we'll start with with this one. Um we have our colours not [disfmarker] are not fixed, but this is the general shape. Um it's [disfmarker] you hold it sort of either like like this in your left hand or you switch it over and uh it's easily adaptable to either hand. You can push the buttons with your thumb like a mobile phone, or you can push them with your index finger of your other hand, or even [disfmarker] I mean there's a whole variety, you can hold it like this and press it with your same index finger. Uh we have the on off button at the tip, very visible, very big. We have our up and down buttons, which are also gonna be our channel selectors, and we have our little menu button here. If you push [disfmarker] if you're just pushing these normally, they're the menu buttons, if [disfmarker] uh the volume buttons rather. If you press select once, they become channel changing buttons. If we press select three times, the menu with the other features and pro possibly also with your TV channel choices shows up, and you have your five presets down here. Um if people wanna grab hold of that, see how it feels in your hand. That's our number one prototype. Um do you wanna present the potato, [speaker001:] [gap] like a little lightning in it. [speaker002:] or shall I present the Martian? [speaker003:] Okay, um [disfmarker] [speaker001:] The little lightning bolt in it, very cute. [speaker003:] What [disfmarker] We call that one the rhombus, [speaker004:] I could [disfmarker] [speaker003:] uh the rhombus. [speaker001:] The v the rhombus rhombus? [speaker002:] That's the rhombus, yep. [speaker003:] Um this one is known as the potato, uh it's [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] it's a [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] how can I present it? It's an ergonomic shape, so it it fits in your hand nicely. Um it's designed to be used either in your left hand or or in your right hand. Um I've gone here just for just for four buttons on this one. Um the two blue buttons here are for adjusting the volume. So you've got volume up and volume down on the other side here. Um the red ones are for uh changing channels, channel up and channel down and that's um moves between your favourite channels that you've selected. Uh this middle button here brings up the on-screen menu and when you're working in the on-screen menu you use the other four buttons to navigate around the menu system and the middle button uh to select and that's basically it, that's the potato. [speaker001:] Um on, off? [speaker003:] Uh that would be one of your channels, basically, so like channel zero would be t to switch switch the machine off, [speaker001:] Okay. Yeah we turn it off. [speaker003:] yeah. [speaker004:] Could the middle button of the on-screen menu function as a power button? [speaker003:] Um not really, [speaker002:] [gap] [speaker003:] it would make it hard to turn the machine off, to turn your TV off. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] If you pressed and held it maybe. [speaker003:] Yeah yeah, that that'd be one way of doing it, yeah. That'd work, yeah. [speaker004:] If you like held it down, that would be on off. [speaker002:] Yeah. On off, that's a possibility, yeah. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] And then finally we have um the Martian or the pear, either way. Um it's a bit different, just a little bit more of a creative feel. Uh you have the on off toggle stem on the top. [vocalsound] We have the five preset seeds [vocalsound]. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] And then you have on the sides to make it a little bit more three-dimensional, you have your channel changing, volume changing buttons and your menu button right here in the middle. So, that's for your consideration as well, [speaker003:] Let's pass. [speaker002:] plus it's an interesting talking point to have standing up. We figured it could stand up like this on your table, if you wanted it to, if I made the bot the bottom flat. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Uh-huh. [speaker004:] Sorry, what's the yellow one in the middle, [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] I forgot. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Uh the menu select button. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [gap] Very interesting. [vocalsound] I think that one's my favourite. [speaker003:] So that's [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] So that's our three prototypes. Um basically, in terms of making decisions, what we'd need to do is first of all decide on a form uh which of the three different shapes we want, then decide what kind of button layout we want, how many buttons, and then to choose what colours we want to make the buttons and if we wanna put any text on the device, like label on the buttons or put a brand name or or a logo on it or whatever. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] We were we were thinking that normally we'd go for fruity colours, but maybe we're also thinking that your sort of middle aged man, for an example customer, might not want a fruity coloured remote, so m maybe we'd have one version that's a bit toned down, [speaker001:] Mm 'kay. [speaker002:] maybe with with less contrasts on it. Yeah, [speaker003:] Would [disfmarker] [speaker002:] something still a little bright to make it hard to lose, but [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah, but we don't want it to look like a kids' toy [gap]. [speaker002:] [gap] yeah. [speaker001:] Now that was one thing that we brought up over email. I don't know if you picked up your email, [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] but um the f the um feature that we considered for it not getting lost. [speaker002:] Right. Well we were we were talking about that a little bit when we got that email and we think that each of these are so distinctive, that it [disfmarker] it's not just like another piece of technology around your house. It's gonna be somewhere that it can be seen. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] So we're we're not thinking that it's gonna be as critical to have the loss [disfmarker] [speaker004:] But if it's like under covers or like in a couch you still can't see it. [speaker001:] It's really [disfmarker] Would it be very difficult to um just have an external device that like I dunno, you tape to your to your TV um that when you press it you ha a little light beep goes off? Do you think that would be conceptually possible? [speaker003:] I think it would be difficult technologically, [speaker002:] I think [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] because if your if your remote's lost it's probably under the settee and in that case you can't you can't send an infrared sing signal to it to find it, [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker003:] s so it's [disfmarker] I'm not quite sure how it would work [speaker001:] That's true, mm 'kay. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] and then I wonder if it's if it's more just a gimmick then anything else. Uh I mean ho how many times do you really, seriously lose your remote control and would would a device like that actually help you to find it? [speaker002:] There might be something that you can do in the circuit board and the chip to make it make a noise or something, but it would take a lot more development than we have this afternoon. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. Okay, that's a fair evaluation. Getting lost. Um we [disfmarker] so we do we've decided not to worry about that for now. Okay 'cause [disfmarker] well, the designs are very bright, so you're right, they're gonna stick out, but um [disfmarker] [speaker002:] So d do people have a preference as far as feel and functionality? Um. [speaker004:] I feel like this is simil [vocalsound] or it's sort of what already exists so if we're trying to think of something sort of like new and fun, even though this is like what you're init I'm initially drawn to, just 'cause it's like comfortable and like not different. I sort of like this one, like I I don't know why, it just it's like small but still sort of like cute looking, I dunno. But I also like the b the side buttons on that one, like I think that's kind of neat. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] But I dunno how much any of this has to do with the fashionable, sort of cool looking thing that we also need to focus on [vocalsound]. [speaker001:] Could we maybe have like an extra button on the top for on off? So then w we wouldn't have to have like a dual function? [speaker002:] Mm yeah, [speaker004:] Ah, [speaker003:] Yeah, it's possible, yeah, yeah. [speaker002:] that's good, that's good. [speaker004:] there we go. [speaker002:] Here, stick it on. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Put an extra the button on [gap] [vocalsound]. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Sure. Um uh why don't we do a product evaluation using your criteria, if you've developed some? [speaker004:] Well do we w [vocalsound] like I think we're supposed to have one that we do it for. [speaker001:] Oh okay. Okay. [speaker004:] That was [vocalsound] [disfmarker] [speaker002:] So where [disfmarker] [speaker004:] I was a little vague on what exactly I'm supposed to do, but let me [disfmarker] I have to like write something on the whiteboard, so. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Do you need this or just write on the white board? [speaker004:] No, I actually don't have like a PowerPointy thing, [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] 'cause I think it would be redundant. [speaker002:] Right. Okay. [speaker004:] I dunno. [speaker001:] It's kind of like uh like a joystick kind of thing, [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Ooh. [speaker001:] you know, [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Cool. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] kinda push it [vocalsound]. [speaker002:] Hey. [speaker001:] 'Kay. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Maybe a little smaller than that [gap]. [speaker002:] No, [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] I kinda like it. That's hard to miss. [speaker003:] It makes look more fruity as well. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Oh it does, it's kind of like [disfmarker] [speaker003:] It's like a deformed foot, [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [gap] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] I dunno. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] There it could have a stem like that, 'cause I do l kind of like the stem. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Like [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah. It almost helps you ge keep a grip too, 'cause it goes in between fingers [gap]. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. Interesting. [speaker001:] I like this one. [speaker002:] Okay, is that where people are leaning then, the potato? [speaker001:] Variety of colours are nice. [speaker002:] I like the idea of the [disfmarker] [speaker001:] I think I'm leaning towards the potato. [speaker002:] I mean that's really gotten the simplicity of the buttons down, that one. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. I am worried about like um using a menu. Um in that [disfmarker] like i withing menus there are submenus, [speaker002:] Hmm. [speaker001:] and so how do you get back to the main menu? [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Well that [disfmarker] on the iPod, for example, you just [disfmarker] every time you wanna go back you hit the menu button again and it brings you back one level. [speaker001:] But that has a menu button separate from a select button, whereas if this one's both the menu and the select button? [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Good point. [speaker003:] This is, it's [disfmarker] the up and down buttons are used for scrolling up and down for a list of choices. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] You find the choice that you want and you press uh you press the right button uh. [speaker004:] [gap] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Could these be used for going to submenus [speaker003:] Yeah. Yeah, so they're used for going into and out of your submenus, yeah. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Maybe [disfmarker] [speaker001:] or [disfmarker] [speaker002:] yeah, maybe it can be one of those, [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] if you press down and hold for two seconds, then it brings you back one level or something. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. Okay. Well, as long as we have that in mind as we're designing it still, mm 'kay. [speaker004:] Okay, so which one are we sort of roughly looking at to address whether or not it meets our s um necessities, the yellowy one is that [disfmarker] [speaker002:] The potato? Are we leaning towards the potato? [speaker003:] Potato. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] I think so. [speaker004:] Okay, well we can obviously change it after we go through each different one. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker004:] So basically what we need to do is some of the things that we've talked about before we need to make sure that that remote actually does conform to the things that we said it was going to. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker004:] So what we sort of wanna do is that we each need to separately rank each of the following things and then I'll tabulate an average just to make sure that it does meet that. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker004:] So we'll just go through them one at a time and we'll just go around and each of you can tell me on a scale of one to seven with one being really extremely true and seven being not true at all, or false, if the remote that we've created conforms to the following criteria. So we can do this one first. First we wanna know if it meets the fancy look and feel um objective. So like in my opinion the [vocalsound] [disfmarker] for now at least, the yellow one is probably somewhere in the middle so I'm gonna say it's like a three. That's just my opinion. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] What does [vocalsound] each of you [disfmarker] [speaker001:] I I kind of think it's it's unique enough that I'd give it a one or a two. [speaker004:] Okay, well give it a number, [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] sorry [vocalsound]. [speaker001:] I will give it a one. [speaker002:] Um I dunno if it's it's creative. I dunno if fancy is the word I would use. I dunno if any of them are fancy in [disfmarker] I'd say two, because c unique. [speaker004:] Okay. And two, [speaker003:] I'll go for two. [speaker004:] awesome. Alright, and same sort of scale for functionality, is it functional? I think it's extremely functional, I'm gonna give it a one. [speaker002:] Yeah, one. [speaker004:] One? [speaker003:] I think it's it's functional, it's also pretty basic, so I'll give it a two. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker001:] Um functional. I think it'll get everything done, I think it might be a little confusing at first, um, I don't know if that's gonna be a later one. [speaker004:] Okay. Well there's some other ones, I will address that, yeah. [speaker001:] Okay, then I'm gonna give it a two. [speaker004:] Awesome, okay. Um we wanna know next if it's technologically innovative. [speaker001:] Did you give a functional [gap]? [speaker004:] Yeah, she said it was one. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] Um is it technologically innovative? Mm. Not really, I mean not so much, 'cause we we don't have the LCD screen, we don't have fancy chip. Other than what it looks like, I dunno if it's really [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Well, the kinetic battery. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] In the battery, that's it. [speaker004:] I kinetic battery is a big one, so. [speaker002:] How many people would notice that, though? [speaker004:] Mm. But it [disfmarker] [speaker001:] But they'll notice it after like a year, [speaker004:] but we know it's there. [speaker001:] they'll be like hey, I have never changed the battery. [speaker004:] And if it's made of like latex, that whole idea, that's pretty cool. [speaker001:] Mm. Just the material. [speaker004:] I'll give it a three. 'Cause it [disfmarker] we could've picked a lot of features that would've made it really [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah. I I would say that it's [disfmarker] Yeah, like fancy versus creative it's it's different. But does that equal innovative? I dunno. I'll give it a three. [speaker004:] Alright. Everyone else? [speaker003:] I'd say it's technologically it's not it's not unique, I mean it's it's just [disfmarker] it is just pushbuttons um, so I I'd give it a four. [speaker001:] Think I'm gonna go with the four as well. [speaker004:] Mm 'kay. [speaker001:] I really like that kinetic battery though. [speaker004:] Next, is it easy to use? Just so you know, easy to learn will be separate, [speaker001:] Mm 'kay. [speaker004:] so don't overlap them. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker004:] I think it's really easy to use. I'll give it a two. [speaker002:] Um I'll give it a one. Pretty hard to mess up. [speaker003:] I'll say one. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Uh let's say two. [speaker004:] Alright. Um we next wanna see if it has a spongy quality [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] and [vocalsound] if indeed it's made of latex or rubber I [disfmarker] it's spongy all the way. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Give it a one. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] I wonder if it bounces when you drop it. [speaker002:] Ooh, [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] that you couldn't [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] it'd be harder to break, harder to lose. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] 'Cause there would be less impact maybe, [vocalsound]. [speaker004:] Iain, what do you give it? [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker003:] Yeah I'd I'd give it a one. [speaker004:] Alright and the next is, does it integrate some notion of fruits and vegetables [vocalsound]? [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Uh um [vocalsound]. [speaker004:] Well, is it gonna be yellow? [speaker002:] It it might be, 'cause that's our corporate colour, isn't it? [speaker001:] That's right, yeah, corporate colour, we didn't keep that in [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] We might wanna keep it yellow. [speaker001:] um well if we [disfmarker] I know it would make it a little less c a little more confusing, but if we had all the buttons in black, and a design in [disfmarker] and the outside in yellow, that'd be our corporate one and we could also have alternative colours, one a more conservative one, one that's more fruity. [speaker003:] [gap] [speaker004:] Yeah, but if you had like a silvery kind of white or something. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah, [gap] [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Um and can we have like an RR inscribed on the bottom or something? [speaker002:] If we had a yellow [disfmarker] Sure. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] Oh, [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] yeah. Alright, so [speaker001:] Fruity, so fruity. [speaker002:] So [vocalsound] [speaker004:] I think it it's [disfmarker] [speaker002:] it was inspired by the potato, so I think it's pretty fruity. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] I think i it's kind of mangoey too. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Oh, mango [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Mangoey is better, yeah. [speaker004:] I [disfmarker] okay, [speaker001:] Yes. [speaker002:] that that [vocalsound] [disfmarker] [speaker004:] I'm giving it a one [vocalsound] [speaker003:] I like mangoes [vocalsound]. [speaker004:] the mango [gap] put me over. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker002:] That's a much more trendy than a potato [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] What are [disfmarker] what's everyone's numbers? [speaker002:] one. [speaker003:] Uh two. [speaker001:] One. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Alright um, and does the design match the appropriate behaviour? Remember earlier we discussed that people don't use a lot of buttons, that they use the channel flipping and the volume the most. I think we really took that into account a lot, so I'm gonna give it a one. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Yeah, me too. [speaker003:] Uh one. [speaker004:] Did you say one, Rose? [speaker001:] Yes. [speaker004:] Okay um, also we talked earlier about RSI and wanting to prevent um any sort of like Carpal Tunnely kind of thing. Do we think that the latex sort of grip appropriately takes that into account? I think I'll give it a two, 'cause I almost feel like no matter what you do, something is gonna happen. [speaker001:] It's gonna be hard. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah, yeah. [speaker001:] And if it's repetitive movement it is gonna be only four buttons that you're constantly pushing, but um [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Um um worth the risk, I think. [speaker001:] I like how it fits in the hand though so I I'd go with a two. [speaker002:] Yeah. I'll I'll say two as well. Because older people that aren't used to like texting with the thumb might find it a bit at first, [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker004:] 'Kay. [speaker002:] but [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah I'll I'll say two. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Alright, awesome. And the ease of learning it. I know you were saying that you're a little bit nervous about that, I dunno. It sort of reminds me of the iPod. I just got mine, I still haven't read the instruction book and I'm doing okay, so [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker004:] and I'm not good at learning technology. So I'll give it a two. [speaker002:] The menu system and the the fact that multiple buttons are used for different things might be a bit confusing, but I think if it's one it's one of those things that it might take you five minutes to figure out, but you'll have it afterwards. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] So I'd I think I'd give it a two I guess. [speaker003:] I think it it's probably a little harder then most remotes to learn, because you have to you have to use the menu system and you have to tell it what your favourite channels are and that could take a bit of learning at first, [speaker002:] Oh, good point. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] but once you've, yeah once you'd learned how to use it, I think it is a lot easier. So I'd I'd give it a four. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker001:] I think I'd give it a four too. It's a pretty high learning curve, it'll be easy once you've done it, but [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Alright, um also earlier we had something about losing it and so now we're not addressing that at all, so [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] We we [disfmarker] I think we can kind of say we addressed it with colour, [speaker004:] Okay, so [speaker001:] but [disfmarker] [speaker004:] in terms of not losing it, do you think that on a scale of one to seven, how easy or hard is it to lose? I'm gonna I'm gonna give it a four, 'cause I think that you can still [disfmarker] if it's in between somewhere where you can't see it, you're kind of not gonna find it, but anywhere else it's gonna stand out. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Um I'd say I'd give it uh a three, I guess it depends on how tidy you are normally. [speaker001:] Mm I'd give it a four. [speaker003:] Um I'll give it a five 'cause i it would be easy to lose something like that, yeah. [speaker001:] Small too. [speaker004:] Alright, we also said simplicity, [vocalsound] how w how well does it address just being simple? [speaker002:] Simple to use or simple in design? Do you know? [speaker004:] I think overall, 'cause we had said before our two main things were simplicity and fashion, so those are the next two things we're gonna look at. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Separate from fancy, like that sort of thing. [speaker002:] Right. [speaker004:] Um it like wants to be simple but it's not like totally totally simple, so I'm gonna give it a two. [speaker002:] I'm [gap] give it a three I guess. [speaker003:] I'll give it a two. [speaker001:] Three. [speaker004:] Alright, and fashionable? [speaker001:] It's totally fashionable. [speaker004:] It's hot, [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] I'd give it a one. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] I mean it's a mango, come on. [speaker001:] Mango. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] I mean how fashionable can you make a remote? I think it's bringing technology and fashion together real really well. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] I dunno. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] I don't think it's quite as fashionable as my robot remote [speaker001:] I do like uh the little Martian one. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] or alien or whatever he was. [speaker004:] Yeah, the toggle on off switch, it's really appealing. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Number. [speaker002:] Um two. [speaker003:] Three. [speaker001:] One. [speaker004:] And does it meet our like demographic need sort of for international appeal, that whole thing? Just that it would se serve our audience. I don't see why not. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. I think as long [disfmarker] if we offer in a [disfmarker] in at least three different colour arrangements. Um yeah, that's good. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] So I'll give it a a two [gap]. [speaker002:] Yeah, I'll say two. [speaker004:] Alright, did anyone have any other features that they think were important that we didn't talk about? [speaker001:] Well um we didn't we didn't address the fact that it does need to b have a corporate logo, so let's let's make sure we keep that in mind that we ha that one of our colours concepts is corporate and has an RR on it. [speaker002:] Shall we uh [disfmarker] Well I think all of them should have an RR. [speaker001:] All of them should have RR, yeah. [speaker004:] And so we're gonna do that, so it will address it, [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. Mm 'kay. [speaker004:] fine. Okay. That's me. [speaker001:] Lovely. Okay, now we're gonna look at finances. Um I have an Excel sheet that we're actually gonna calculate the cost um, so let me exit out of this first. Okay um [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Whoa. [speaker002:] Oh my. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] I know. Let me [gap] one more space. Gonna zoom in real quick. [gap] Okay. Hand dynamo. We're using kinetic battery, [speaker002:] Uh we're n using kinetic, yeah. [speaker001:] right? Um and we're having one per [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] One, okay. Um electronics. [speaker002:] Single. Simple, simple rather. [speaker001:] Simple. [speaker004:] Simple. [speaker001:] Mm 'kay. Um the case. [speaker002:] Uh uh uh double-curved. [speaker003:] Guess it's double-curved. It is pretty curvy. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] It's very curvy, so okay. [gap] [speaker002:] Yeah I never did get a picture of those so I don't really know. Our case material supplements [disfmarker] oops, we just skipped by them. [speaker004:] Well don't we need plastic, and [disfmarker] [speaker002:] No, we we [disfmarker] the plastic is the plastic for the inside is assumed. [speaker004:] Provided, okay. [speaker002:] The supplement is [disfmarker] [speaker001:] The wood? [speaker002:] Oh, I guess it was rubber rather than latex. [speaker001:] I mean the rubber. [speaker004:] It was rubber and special colour, right? [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm, okay. [speaker004:] Do we have more than one special colour? [speaker001:] Yeah, [speaker002:] Uh well [disfmarker] [speaker001:] we're using [disfmarker] we're gonna need at least two special colours. [speaker003:] Special colours, isn't it? [speaker001:] Um. [speaker002:] I don't know what the se the basic colour is though. [speaker004:] Per [disfmarker] [speaker001:] I dunno where it [disfmarker] yeah. [speaker004:] Well, but we know that we're having at least three colours, [speaker001:] So let's y say three. [speaker004:] so [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Well, are we talking about on each colour combination or are we, you know, we'll [disfmarker] like we'll have yellow and black. Is that two special colours? [speaker001:] Yeah, I dunno. [speaker002:] Or or is white and black, then two more or [vocalsound] [disfmarker] [speaker001:] That I thi I thought that would be under yours. [speaker002:] Uh. I guess it's three, [speaker001:] We'll just say three. [speaker002:] three three [gap]. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] Right. [speaker002:] Alright. [speaker001:] Maybe the RR will be in colour as well, so yeah. Interface, we're doing push buttons. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] And how many buttons do we have? [speaker004:] We have six. [speaker003:] We've got five [gap]. [speaker004:] Oh [speaker002:] Six, with the power. [speaker004:] no, [speaker003:] Oh [gap] [speaker001:] Six. [speaker004:] five. [speaker003:] six. [speaker004:] [gap] [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Anything else? [speaker002:] No. Oh, we'll [disfmarker] do we wa Are the buttons in special colour, special f I didn't get information on [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Oh wait. [speaker001:] Oh, buttons [disfmarker] oh, so um. So the case material will just have one colour, right, but then the buttons will be in special colours? [speaker002:] Well, [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] does it [disfmarker] but if we're making multiple varieties of [disfmarker] this is where I'm getting confused. [speaker001:] We're saying per unit. [speaker002:] [gap] per unit, okay, okay. [speaker004:] Yeah, per unit. [speaker001:] Okay, so each unit will only have one colour on their [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Alright, and each button s [speaker001:] but the case is [disfmarker] could have up to thr I mean the buttons could ea could be up to three colours, 'cause that how it's designed there. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] I like it like that. [speaker002:] Yeah, okay. [speaker001:] So [disfmarker] Special form? They're all kind of just push button, [speaker002:] No, I think they're fine. [speaker001:] right? [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Special material? [speaker002:] Material, we want them rubber as well probably, yeah. [speaker001:] Uh. Oh do [disfmarker] I have to do it per button, do I? [speaker002:] No, I don't think so. I think they're [disfmarker] if they're all gonna be rubber then it [disfmarker] that's what it matters. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] Yeah, 'cause it wouldn't make sense otherwise, [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] 'cause for the whole mat case material it's only one. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] It's [disfmarker] I mean it's two to make it rubber. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker004:] Oh wait, so maybe. [gap] [speaker001:] Thirteen point seven. [speaker002:] Oh oh. [speaker001:] Yeah, what can we reduce? [speaker002:] Okay, let's have our buttons all be one colour. [speaker004:] Mm, I kind of like the buttons. [speaker001:] Let's see what that would do. It's only gonna bring us down to thirteen point three anyway. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Alright. [speaker001:] Okay um, [speaker002:] Uh. [speaker001:] are we sure this is double-curved? Maybe it's single-curved, [speaker002:] We have no idea. [speaker001:] we have no idea. [speaker002:] I dunno, I didn't get any pictures. [vocalsound] It's single curved. [speaker004:] It's single curved. [speaker002:] Why not? [speaker001:] Well it's not the [disfmarker] yeah. Okay, it's the kinetic battery that's kind of expensive, but we have a simple chip, single curve, [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] case material is rubber and it's a special colour, [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] but that's important. [speaker002:] That is important. [speaker001:] Six buttons [disfmarker] we have to have six buttons. [speaker002:] How did it get more expensive, what did you just change? [speaker001:] What? [speaker002:] It was it was thirteen and now it's fifteen. [speaker001:] No, okay, maybe not. I don't know what just happened. Now it's twelve. [speaker004:] We [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] What was our target price again? [speaker002:] Twelve point five. [speaker001:] Twelve point five. [speaker002:] Hey hey. [speaker003:] Twelve point five. So we're just just about there. [speaker001:] So we're okay, I think. [speaker002:] We're all set then. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] [gap] [speaker002:] Ish. [speaker001:] Okay, we're all set. [speaker002:] Alright. [speaker001:] Um save. I saved that to our um our big shared folder, so you know. Um okay, back to agenda. [vocalsound] Um are the [disfmarker] are the costs under twelve fifty Euro? [speaker002:] Yes. [speaker001:] Yes. [speaker004:] Yeah, they are. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Let's move on to the project evaluation. Project process. Satisfaction with for example the room for creativity, leadership, teamwork, the means, any new ideas found. So I guess what we're gonna talk about here is just evaluating how we created this project, the information we got on the news, how we used it, if we were able to um, you know, use our creativity with the information, um how how well I guess I led it, um the [disfmarker] how well we worked together as a team, um the digital pens, the whiteboard. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Well. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] I felt very creative. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] I think we've been successful [speaker002:] I enjoyed making the prototypes. [speaker003:] in that we've achieved almost all of the design goals that we've set [gap] [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] and we've come up with a finished project and we just about got [gap] cost. [speaker002:] I think we could've done even better with a little bit more information, like what's a single-curved case, [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] how many colours, what do colours count [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] things, but given given what we had I think that we did we did really well. Um I think we worked together pretty well. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah, I mean [vocalsound] if I'd had more market research on the [gap] fruits and vegetables, maybe we could've taken that into account. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Yeah [gap]. [vocalsound] But the fruits and vegetables, they really [gap] my creativity, so. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] I know, I really did, the the whole mango idea was great. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Do you think we could [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] No, I mean I thought the pen was a little distracting for me personally, like its heaviness, and like just being so conscious of like turning the pages, I dunno. That was a bit of a distraction. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] That was the last one, like I chose not to do a PowerPoint 'cause I didn't think it made sense to, so I liked that I had the option to do that and just to take my own notes and that whole sort of thing. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] I think we all made um very significant contributions, I don't think anybody dominated it, which I thought was really good, like each of us was able to um like each of you had your information and I uh I tried to facilitate it without like taking over, um [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] I like our little finished products. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Can we market this as the mango remote? [speaker004:] [vocalsound] They're funny. [speaker001:] Really cute. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] I kind of want one. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Should we have that somewhere on the packaging? I have a little RR. [speaker004:] I'm trying to think of a good pun that I could add there [gap]. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] I know, let's think of it like a little jingle. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Um. [speaker004:] I like the RR, that's gonna be etched in. [speaker002:] Yes. Hopefully not with just my fingernail at some point but um it's quite a useful little gadget. All thanks to Iain for the design of that one. [speaker001:] [gap]. Okay um [speaker002:] Mm. What did we find for new ideas? [speaker001:] new ideas found? [speaker002:] People should really base their remotes on fruits and vegetables. [speaker001:] Definitely. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Or or at least be c p creative enough to think of toggle switches mm [speaker002:] I I am really into the idea of kinetic batteries now after reading about them. [speaker001:] etcetera. Oh, I'm so excited. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah, [speaker002:] That was [disfmarker] [speaker004:] I didn't even know they existed. [speaker002:] I I knew you can get watches that had them, like really quite expensive watches that just never need a battery, 'cause you're always moving your wrist. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] But in other things, I think it'd be really good. [speaker001:] I thi yeah, that's awesome. Um okay, closing. Are the costs within the budget? Is the project evaluated? [speaker002:] Yes. [speaker001:] Now there's the final questionnaire and meeting summary. Um so, this is the great product kids, I think we've created something really interesting and that we have a market for it, um especially if we can produce it at twelve point three [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] which we hope um [disfmarker] yeah. Make sure in your questionnaire to put down criticisms of both the process and the um the final results and [disfmarker] [vocalsound]. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah, Real Reaction. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] I do like the Martian remote. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] If we could choose more than one, that would be my second choice. [speaker004:] Oh, that would definitely be my second choice. [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker001:] Although the tog toggle [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] I'm afraid I would [disfmarker] [speaker003:] That's cool. Let's all let's all go for the yellow [gap] [disfmarker] [speaker004:] I would break it. [vocalsound] I would break it. [speaker001:] It's cool. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] It started because I wanted to have it as st as a stem [speaker001:] I think I would break it. [speaker003:] Break the stem off. [speaker002:] and then [vocalsound] [disfmarker] alright, so [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Oh that's funny [vocalsound]. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] Is [disfmarker] it started as a pear, but then it started looking more and more like a Martian when I put the [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Oh [speaker004:] Kind of looks like a penguin, like [vocalsound] with no eye [vocalsound]. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Take me to your leader. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] yeah, it's kind of a penguin. [speaker002:] [gap] [speaker004:] I like that it stands up. [speaker001:] Mm-mm. [speaker002:] Wow, maybe I should market it to some remote control company now. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] So are are [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] That was bound to happen [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Oh, sad. [speaker002:] poor little thing. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Mm 'kay, congratulations. Um. Anything else to say? [speaker004:] Nothing will come up until after our meeting's supposed to be over, [speaker001:] Alright. [speaker004:] its all timed. [speaker002:] Oh. [speaker001:] Um anybody have [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Oh. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] I got more master classes, anybody else wanna like take a master's class? [speaker002:] [vocalsound] It's really funny that you got spam in your work emails. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah, but check it out. So like there are all these like links, they don't go anywhere. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] But all that you need to keep in mind your [gap] knowledge management. Um just wanna make sure you do. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] No the first one that you sent like I didn't realise that it was a joke [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] and I was like why did she send this to us? [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Oh [gap] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] It's very it's very work relevant, 'cause people send spam a lot. [speaker001:] It is. Yes definitely [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] Let's see, [speaker001:] I'm very sad that I didn't get any links to the corporate website. [speaker004:] Oh [speaker001:] [gap]. [speaker004:] here you can you can view. [speaker002:] what did I get through the corporate website? It's just inspiration about circuit boards. [speaker004:] You can just see what's up. [speaker001:] Wow. [speaker004:] Yeah it's it's really deep. Hold on. Takes a little while to get excited to load. That [disfmarker] the Excel thing is pretty cool. [speaker001:] Yes. [speaker002:] Yeah, that is pretty neat. [speaker004:] Here, [speaker001:] I love Excel, [speaker004:] like, basically [speaker001:] it's one of my favourite programs. [speaker004:] it's like inspiration, basically I'm gonna give you two sentences on fashion and that kind of thing, see. You didn't miss out that much. [speaker001:] I see, mm. [speaker002:] Yeah, my inspiration from from last time is the in interior of a remote control being taken apart bit by bit, talking about circuit boards. [speaker001:] Spongy. [speaker002:] I learned a lot actually. [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker004:] Oh wow. [speaker002:] I could probably take apart a remote control now if I really needed to. [speaker004:] This one was cooler. I got a whole table and everything. [speaker002:] Now I have all about circuits and chips and transponders and [disfmarker] I wrote it all down, because I thought it would be relevant, like all the different parts of the inside of a remote control, but then they're like, you don't actually need this [disfmarker] you just need to talk about the case. [speaker004:] That's like mine it was like, would you prefer an LCD screen or a multifunction remote control? And then it didn't have like any kind of table, like awesome, I'm glad they asked that question and didn't report the result [vocalsound]. [speaker002:] It's really interesting though. [speaker001:] I I thought it was a little tricky having to hand around this thing. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] We had a lot of the um [disfmarker] [speaker003:] I think. Yeah. [speaker001:] otherwise the technology [gap] today was kinda cool. [speaker002:] That was really neat how I got emails [speaker003:] We didn't we didn't use the whiteboard that much. [speaker002:] and [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. No. [speaker002:] No. [speaker001:] Although I don't see how we could have very l at least for me [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] I [disfmarker] yeah. If I'd gotten pictures of the different parts of the case, the different looks of the case, I would have probably drawn them up, but [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker004:] 'Cause we weren't like voting on anything and I think usually, like whiteboards are good, you know like crossing out ideas, or like if we had had like a brainstorming period. [speaker002:] Yeah, we could've put our brainstorming stuff up there rather than just talking about it, but with only four people it doesn't really make sense. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] But I thought we were good orally. Get crazy. [speaker002:] I think if you had a larger group [disfmarker] [speaker001:] And with and with the PowerPoint that we can all look at, like you can do all those things pretty much on PowerPoint [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] as that's not as necessary to have. [speaker004:] And these might've made us more willing to like take notes than to like write up them here, [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker004:] 'cause we all needed them separately, kind of on the whiteboards in this room. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] [gap] [speaker002:] Because we're all gonna be working in different places. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] We [disfmarker] if we were all gonna stay in here all the time, then having the notes up on the whiteboard would've been alright, [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] but everyone needs their own, like specific notes, I guess. [speaker001:] Now when you were um creating your um prototypes here, did you work together or did you like do separate projects? [speaker003:] Uh we we worked together, [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] um but we were making like we sort of made different shapes and then discussed how the how the buttons might work, [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] um and how we could like improve on the on the design. [speaker002:] Yeah. So it was a bit of both really, we just kind of started out by each taking a colour of clay and just fooling around with it and I came up with that rhombus shape and he came up with the sort of potatoey, mangoey shape, [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] and then just went from there really. [speaker001:] Cool. [speaker002:] It was fun. [vocalsound] [vocalsound] So well done with the management, I felt well managed. [speaker001:] Oh thanks. [speaker003:] I think we did well in first of all giving our meetings the time, [speaker001:] It's kinda fun. [speaker003:] and second we actually we we did a good job of making firm decisions at the ends of the meetings. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker004:] Sorry. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] And I [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] That happened to me all the time though. [speaker003:] I know what happens sometimes is that you tend to sort of have meetings and then people sorta drift away without anything actually really being decided. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] But I think here we got we got clear and and decisive decisive points [gap] at the end of the meetings, so that we we knew where to go on from there. [speaker002:] Yeah, I was quite worried at the end of the last meeting that we weren't getting [disfmarker] we didn't really have enough information to make firm decisions, [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] but we were able to do it regardless, so. I'm not usually a very decisive person, so it helped to have people say this needs to be done in five minutes. [speaker001:] This is what we'll do. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] I found that we did [disfmarker] we could have used another five or ten minutes sometimes in the meetings. [speaker003:] Yeah, for some of the meetings, yeah. [speaker002:] Especially last time, [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah I think the last time we had a lot of information, but at the same time not quite enough, [speaker002:] Yeah, [gap] [disfmarker] Yeah. [speaker001:] you know what I mean, [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] like we we couldn't answer every single question. [speaker002:] Yeah. Right. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Um but [disfmarker] [speaker002:] And I I felt the first two meetings, that I was coming in with no information, and not sort of [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker002:] made me really like, ooh I don't know [vocalsound], throwing together PowerPoint out of no no information and then last time it was like the opposite. I had so much information and so much to talk about. [speaker001:] It was interesting what came out like later, like as I was doing the [disfmarker] when I was doing the breakdown on the agenda that they gave me um, that more points came out from your presentation even. [speaker002:] Yeah. Mm. [speaker001:] Um. I'm a little [disfmarker] I am a little disappointed that we didn't do a [disfmarker] um something for losing the remote, because that was kind of a big point. [speaker002:] Yeah. [gap] that was something like [disfmarker] in order to talk about that we would've had to have actual knowledge about circuit boards and [vocalsound] things like [disfmarker] [speaker001:] About [disfmarker] yeah. [speaker004:] Well the problem was, even when we just were creating from the Excel file, there wasn't like a option to select to somehow have it included, [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] so there was no [disfmarker] we could be like yeah, it has it included. [speaker002:] I think we were [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] There was no way for us to have [speaker001:] Considered the re [speaker004:] written down that it was really there. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] yeah. [speaker002:] I think we were just getting overenthusiastic with the task [vocalsound]. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Well it's interesting that they [disfmarker] [speaker002:] I think we really got into it, I mean I got into it as the day went on and I got really like, ooh I'm designing a remote control, I dunno if that's just me, [speaker001:] Mm-hmm, yeah [gap]. [speaker002:] but [disfmarker] [speaker001:] It was interesting though that they put that fifty percent of people say they have frustration with losing their remote and yet they didn't provide us with information to um [disfmarker] we weren't provided with information to discuss that. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] I know that like people people have like things they can put on their keys that you press it and it'll beep, [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] but I but I'm sure that would require some kind of technology that [disfmarker] I just don't know what it is, [speaker002:] I think there are some of those like infomercial remotes that have things so you won't lose them. [speaker001:] but [disfmarker] Mm. [speaker002:] I dunno. I mean we were talking about it and like i in my household at least, there's only about two places that the remote is ever [speaker001:] Hmm. [speaker002:] 'cause there's only one TV and there's only like three chairs. [speaker004:] That's like saying you're never gonna lose your keys, and I always do, anyway. You'll lose 'em in your pocket, like you just will forget that [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] or you like put it down somewhere that like made sense and then not remember, [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker004:] there's always ways to lose things. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] It d yeah, it depends on how organised you are personally, but [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah, or like I guess what the setup of the house is too. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] But, I mean [disfmarker] I am notorious for losing my keys, I just [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] I guess I've just never lost the remote. I put my keys in the refrigerator the other night [vocalsound] and couldn't find them. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] 'Cause I was putting groceries away. [speaker004:] That's funny. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Oh. [speaker002:] You you're taking stuff from a bag and putting them in the refrigerator and then go back to my room. [speaker001:] Can't get in. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Can't get in, look all around the kitchen. Definitely in the vegetable drawer. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] That's funny. [speaker002:] So [vocalsound]. [speaker004:] I always do that, leaving it in my coat, and then like using a different coat. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] Yep. [speaker002:] But I guess it's 'cause we don't carry remotes around that much. [speaker004:] Yeah. Can't really take it into the other room. [speaker002:] Yeah. Maybe with our little robot one we could've had him have a [disfmarker] robot, alien, pear, whatever he is, have a little voice like, I am located [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Oh a GPS system, [vocalsound] internal GPS. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Oh man. Here you go. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] We should make one that walks by itself. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Although if it's sitting still for too long. [vocalsound] Yes I [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] That really could get up and walk away [vocalsound]. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [gap] [speaker001:] Or or like some crazy like electro-magnet, that you push it and it'll go zoom to the TV and stick there. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Or little [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] Or just just a wheel, you know. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Just if you [disfmarker] [vocalsound] like you'd have a remote for your remote, that'll [gap]. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker001:] Well, but if you could attach them to the TV, then you can [gap]. [speaker002:] [gap] zoom [disfmarker] Yeah. Hmm. All kinds of possibilities. [speaker001:] Mm. Okay. Sorry, I'm just um trying to update my minutes. I decided to [disfmarker] you know how I sent you the email saying that PowerPoint minutes will be complimentary, rather than like repeating them. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Just gonna make [disfmarker] I'm making full minutes, so that it'll include all of the agenda and all that. [speaker002:] Oh. Wow. [speaker001:] 'Cause that seems a little more useful. [speaker002:] 'Cause you've had like the most typing and organising to do. [speaker001:] But I didn't have like information to sloth through either, so [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah, I guess [disfmarker] How much of your PowerPoint was already done for you, every meeting. [speaker001:] Most of it, mm-hmm. I added slides, um I added a couple slides each time, [speaker002:] Oh. [speaker001:] but that was about it. [speaker002:] Okay. Yeah, I didn't even think about adding slides, 'cause I would just get slides with titles on them and fill them all [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker002:] in w didn't even think about adding more. [speaker001:] Well, the thing was they would provide y an agenda with s like several points, but it wouldn't have a slide for each point. [speaker002:] Ah yeah.. [speaker001:] And that's the only way I remember that I need to go other that point. [gap] I know personally when I do PowerPoint, that's what I do and so [disfmarker] I had it once, even if it was just like the title of it, like the three presentations, and I would do your three. [speaker002:] Right. [speaker004:] You have you have to have the slogan on it or can it just be like [disfmarker] [speaker001:] The slogan on it? [speaker002:] No, no, definitely not. [speaker001:] No no no. [speaker004:] Okay good. [speaker002:] We [vocalsound] [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] 'Cause I was like, it could go around the outside. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] No, I don't think we need to [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] I think the R and R, especially if the yellow and black one. [speaker001:] I think we just need the um the RR, yeah. [speaker004:] Is it yellow and blue? [speaker002:] Or yellow and blue. Lemme go to the web page. [speaker001:] Yeah, I was just kinda going by the web page, 'cause they didn't give me any clear, like yellow, grey, or [gap]. [speaker004:] Oh I guess it is black, grey. Grey is better than black, doesn't look so bumblebeeish. [speaker001:] I don't really like yellow in general. [speaker004:] Hey now I understand the random like newsclippings. [speaker001:] But it [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Finish meeting now. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [gap] [speaker001:] Wasn't it interesting that um [disfmarker] I thought it was interesting that our market marketing um expert did not agree with the marketing um [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yes. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] the marketing choices, you know, like [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] I will I just feel like if you're really doing like a a really big market evaluation, you wouldn't just have like one set of source, [speaker001:] [vocalsound] that was a bit of a conflict. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] it's kind of an [disfmarker] they were so not backed up, it would just be a sentence [gap] like we did a survey, this is what people said. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] S mm, I dunno. [speaker001:] People are stupid. [speaker002:] I guess it i it sort of a grey, isn't it? Yellow and grey, but then the slogan's in blue. [speaker004:] Well we got some grey and we got some blue buttons, we're good. [speaker002:] Yeah. Well we don't have the right colour clay anyway. [speaker001:] Maybe, like [disfmarker] I don't know. [gap] That could always be [gap]. [speaker002:] Well we're not, sadly, going to actually be producing this, so [vocalsound]. [speaker001:] Oh. [speaker004:] If they ever come out with potato [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Potato mango shaped remotes. [speaker004:] I'm gonna have to [disfmarker] [speaker001:] I'm claiming it intellectual property. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] I can't believe a whole day is gone. [speaker004:] I know. [speaker002:] I don't feel like it's been that long. Get sucked in. Mm I haven't gotten questionnaire eight yet.

[speaker001:] Okay, welcome to the detailed design meeting. Again, I'm gonna take minutes. Oh, we're gonna have a prototype presentation first. [speaker002:] [gap] [speaker001:] Uh, who's gonna give the prototype presentation? You two guys? [speaker003:] Yes. [speaker001:] Okay. Go ahead. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [gap] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [gap]. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [gap]. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [gap] coffee. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] 'Kay, we've made a prototype. Um, we've got uh [vocalsound] uh our aspects from the last meeting. Uh, especially we looked at the form, material and the colour. Um, we've uh drawn here the p prototype. The logo is uh is uh [vocalsound] is pretty uh [vocalsound] obvious to see on the on the remote control, [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] but it is necessary when you want to build your uh company f to a level higher. Um, [vocalsound] our interface elements, there are shown in the in the drawing. Maybe you can uh point them uh [disfmarker] The functions. [speaker002:] Uh, well the uh [disfmarker] all the functions are discussed uh [disfmarker] I think the most of the functions are uh uh obvious. Uh, it's a little bit. Uh, power button. Uh then the the the nine uh channels. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Uh the volume uh uh at the side, and the other side is the programmes. And then we had uh just uh two buttons, we place them in the middle, uh the menu, and for the teletext [speaker001:] Oh no, the the the mute button misses now. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [disfmarker] I thought that was th [speaker004:] Alright, I [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Oh, the mute button. [speaker001:] Do y do you [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] did we want to have a m mute button? [speaker003:] But uh that [disfmarker] It's uh here then, in the middle. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Alright, and uh you gotta point out which is the volume um uh button and which is the programme button. [speaker001:] Huh. [speaker003:] Yes, um we've disc [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Well, yeah mo uh mo Yeah, well most of them are right-handed. [speaker004:] Yeah, but you you gotta make it clear on the [disfmarker] on [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Most of the users Yes, y there there will be a p a little a little P on that and a little uh [disfmarker] yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah well, I don't have time in uh anymore on the [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah, and a and a triangle on that. [speaker002:] Oh yeah, just progr programme above, I think. [speaker004:] Yes. Next to that I kinda miss a zero actually. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Wait, there's [disfmarker] was one thing I wanted to ask. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Uh, there are different ways for remote controls to uh [vocalsound] do uh like [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] uh d I call it teens and twenties. Uh, y th th th the two numbers. [speaker003:] Yes. [speaker004:] All n no, that's um [vocalsound] kinda dependent on the television. [speaker002:] Yeah, true, yeah. [speaker003:] It's a television. Yes. [speaker001:] Yeah, [speaker002:] Uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] but do we have [disfmarker] do we need extra buttons, [vocalsound] for example some uh some have to [disfmarker] [speaker004:] I think [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Uh I think so. [speaker003:] Yes, yes, you have you have a lot of standard buttons that has to be uh on it, uh th with the one and a double uh uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah, I think you should add [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Zero? [speaker004:] A cross, or whatever. Yeah, line. [speaker002:] May maybe here? [speaker001:] Yeah, but you don't you don't actually need them, [speaker003:] yes. [speaker001:] becau b l a lot of remote controls work that y when y that you when you fir you push the one first, then you have a couple of seconds [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah. And then a second. [speaker004:] No, that's dependent on the television. [speaker001:] No, I don't think so. [speaker003:] Yes, you have televisions, then you have to, you know, you have to uh press [disfmarker] [speaker004:] I do know so. [speaker002:] Is it depending on television? [speaker001:] Nah, I don't think so really, [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] because you have a [disfmarker] I know some remote controls that don't have these buttons, but you still can, know, obviously you can still select the twenty [disfmarker] uh a number in the twenty or in the ten. [speaker003:] Yes, but but a lot [disfmarker] uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yes, but uh uh no uh remote control nowadays are um [disfmarker] [vocalsound] they come with the television. Or actually, the other way around. But [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] No, I think [disfmarker] uh I really think it's n because you can [disfmarker] when when you put a button on it with like one and uh then a dash, it's the same thing as when you just push the one, [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] because it i it first gives you the functionality of that that uh separate button you also had to uh apply. [speaker003:] Yes, but [speaker004:] Yeah, well [disfmarker] but su [vocalsound] If [disfmarker] [speaker003:] some televisions don't accept uh that that [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah, because that's i it's for television. It's exact the same thing. [speaker003:] No, no, but s [speaker004:] No no no. So some television respond differently. Look, if uh i i [speaker001:] No, listen listen. When you push the button, the remote control gives a signal. I in th in the first place it gives a signal which it would also send when you put a separate button on it. [speaker004:] Yes. Yes, that's true. [speaker001:] The one with dash, that signal gi and when y whe when you don't push another button on the remote control within five seconds, then the remote control gives a signal for channel one. [speaker002:] Yeah. True. [speaker004:] No [disfmarker] [speaker001:] I think it works that way, really. [speaker004:] No, it it it works uh if you haven't got uh a special button for it, uh if you push a one, then on your television there will appear a one and a a line, which is an empty space. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yeah, but it's exact the same [gap] that w would appear when you put a separate button [disfmarker] push a separate button. [speaker003:] Yes, but some some old televisions uh you have to uh click on uh a special button, uh then you go to a a next level, you can push two buttons. [speaker001:] Yeah, but you don't underst uh you don't understand my point. [speaker004:] Yep. [vocalsound] True. [speaker001:] I think it's exact the same thing when y [speaker003:] You want [disfmarker] Yes, but some television don't support it. [speaker001:] No, but then they would a would also support that button, because it's the same thing. [speaker002:] But the ex [speaker001:] Listen, with [disfmarker] that that's that special but button [gap] you're talking about, eh? That's just a signal to recei ju they send a t signal to the v tv TV that they have to put a one in [disfmarker] on your screen and a dash, which you can pu so you can uh still put another number on it. When you don't have that separate button, and you push y one, it's exactly the same thing. Do y you [disfmarker] the remote control gives that same signal as it would give when you only had [disfmarker] [speaker004:] No, s some some televisions need the input first uh and and you c [speaker003:] No, a remote can [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yes, so they need [disfmarker] no, they need [disfmarker] [speaker001:] But you give the input. You push the one. That's the same thing as the button with the one and it [disfmarker] [speaker004:] No, that's not true. It's simply not true. It's simply not true. [speaker001:] yes it it is. Think about it. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] No, but uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] You uh you can wai when you push the one you can show on the telly a one and just a dash, and then wait uh two uh seconds or something [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] And it's the same thing what happens and a g remote control gives another signal after five seconds that is just one. [speaker004:] No, remote control doesn't give signal after five seconds. Remote control is a stupid thing. If you push a button, it sends it immediately to to the television. [speaker001:] Yeah, that's true. Yeah, but I m uh but it's [disfmarker] I I know for sure that some televisions that w th th the remote control supplied, only ha has the c these buttons with a one and a dash and a two and a dash, but when you use a bu a n remote control that doesn't sport these buttons, it still works. [speaker003:] Yeah, it [disfmarker] [speaker001:] But okay, we we'll impl [speaker004:] No, definitely not. Definitely not. [speaker002:] We'll discuss them in the usability lab. [speaker001:] No, [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] we'll apply them then for now. [speaker002:] Uh eva evaluation. I don't know uh I don't know if if it's it's necessary. [speaker001:] Yeah, app just apply them next to the zero, the one and the two. [speaker002:] Yeah? [speaker001:] Yeah, I think so. Yeah, for now, if we don't know for sure whether [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker003:] And the button for the SCART uh audio video uh external input. [speaker004:] Yes. [speaker002:] Ach. [speaker001:] Yeah but [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Uh, you can access that uh via zero, and then minus, I guess. [speaker001:] okay. [vocalsound] What I said about uh the remote control sending another signal, that that might not be true, [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] but I still think i it it [disfmarker] all TVs in some ways support it, I don't know. [speaker003:] No, no. [speaker001:] I think it's more c is m maybe we don't [disfmarker] uh we both don't really understand how it i how it really works, but I think there's more to in than wha than what you just said. [speaker003:] Uh, remote control sends one signal at one button uh press. [speaker001:] I do think that uh m TVs support mur multiple kind of remote controls. M [speaker003:] Uh, some [disfmarker] N some televisions when when you want to go further than uh ten [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Th won't work wi with uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] No, you have to you have to uh give the television uh two or more signals. [speaker001:] to have that special button. [speaker003:] When you uh press one button, you give one signal. And the older televisions need more signals to go a level higher. But [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yep. [speaker001:] Okay, well we'll see. [speaker003:] When you make the technology that that it will uh give more signals, it could work, but [disfmarker] Just a basic idea of of of the most uh [disfmarker] most y most common uh and simple uh operations on the remote. [speaker004:] Okay. I kinda miss the docking station. [speaker002:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yes. It's here on the [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Well it [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] yeah, uh there's nothing [disfmarker] [speaker003:] We came uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] I think it's pretty basic, the the [disfmarker] there's no fu [speaker003:] Yes. [speaker002:] there's one there's one button, [speaker004:] No nothing really trendy about it. [speaker002:] that's wha there's there's there's one function and that's n the one button when you want to find it. [speaker003:] But maybe we can maybe we can make the docking station uh uh a bit standard for for uh the other products we sell, [speaker004:] The button. [speaker003:] because Real [vocalsound] Real Reaction sells more products than only remote controls. [speaker004:] Yep. [speaker003:] So maybe we can uh use the docking station, for example, uh MP three players or or uh uh hearing devices. [speaker004:] I think that's very difficult, because of different shapes of uh uh devices. [speaker003:] Yes, but when you put that same volt voltages on it, you can put uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah, of course. [speaker003:] when the when the when uh o the the the lowest part of it, when it's o the same as the other products, you can put it all on the same uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. Well it it got it [disfmarker] it has got to fit into the shape, of course. [speaker003:] Yes, but we can make [disfmarker] [speaker004:] The technology and the voltage can be the same. That's uh that's true. But uh i if you all make the m having a bottom like this, then they all fit. [speaker003:] No, we can make uh make the most lowest part all the same. [speaker004:] Yeah, that's true, but uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] When when the the recharger has a has a bit what points out, we can place all on top of it. [speaker004:] Yes, but uh I I g [speaker003:] Just have to be big enough for the biggest [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Shouldn't it fall then? It [disfmarker] isn't going to fall down? [vocalsound] That's a bit uh [disfmarker] yeah, I think [disfmarker] [speaker003:] No, when you make it large enough no it it will not. But then it's a little bit [disfmarker] [speaker004:] No, but if if [disfmarker] like this, I'll I'll point it out, if you got uh a a a base a base like this, [speaker003:] But it's just an idea. [speaker004:] I won't draw it really. If you got a base which is uh as big as this [disfmarker] [speaker003:] But it's flat it's flat as as this, so we can p make all the products as flat as this. [speaker002:] You can. [speaker004:] Yeah sure, [speaker002:] But i i i it's backwards. [speaker004:] but if you got if you got a tiny player, it can [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yes, but when you make uh uh a bit of big [gap] [disfmarker] [speaker002:] But it's it's backwards. It's leaning. It's leaning backwards, I think, in the in the docking station. [speaker004:] Yeah. Uh, wha what you could do if you uh [disfmarker] from the bottom [disfmarker] oh, right, help. [speaker002:] That's text. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] But [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Uh, you could make like a hole in it, you know, of uh [disfmarker] in in the [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yes, little holer [disfmarker] littler [disfmarker] Uh, little products go deeper in it. [speaker004:] Yeah. That i that is possible, yep. [speaker001:] Well let's ha let's talk about the docking station later, because uh maybe we have we have to uh consider the docking station anyway, because we have some uh cost issues [vocalsound] still to come. [speaker004:] Yeah, sure, you're right. [speaker003:] Yes. And uh uh [speaker004:] Oh. [speaker001:] But we have to look n I don't know. [speaker003:] the f the look and feel would be great on this uh remote control, [speaker004:] I don't like the colours. [speaker003:] because uh you always uh will uh pick up the remote control in the in the smallest uh area. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Then your uh left thumb of uh [disfmarker] your right thumb is uh near the programme uh button, which is the most common used uh function, and all the other buttons are available for your uh thumb. So it's it's it's really good design. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] Yeah. Alright. [speaker001:] Yes. That's it? [speaker003:] Yes, uh on the side uh there will be a strip of rubber, and in the middle uh there is uh a hard uh a hard material, a bit hard plastic with a light uh behind it. [speaker004:] The light. Okay. And other lights? [speaker001:] I think added lights are gonna be a problem too. [speaker003:] Yes, we can make also n neon lights on it, or or the buttons that can make uh light on it. [speaker004:] No, o on the on the front. Yeah, okay. Maybe the uh the logo. [speaker003:] Yes. [speaker002:] [gap] lights? [speaker003:] But, it will also uh uh use batteries, [speaker004:] Yeah, why not? [speaker003:] and do we want to [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Of course. [speaker001:] Okay. For now, uh this is uh is good enough. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker001:] Yeah, what was uh on the [disfmarker] [speaker003:] The [disfmarker] all the aspects of the interface buttons were uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Okay, but in the [disfmarker] oh yeah, the colour, because we're gonna use uh one colour for the the plastic enclosure and one colour for the rubber, isn't it? [speaker003:] Yes. [speaker001:] Then we're gonna do the buttons in the i are we're gonna have rubber buttons. And they're be a [disfmarker] [gap] they'll be in the same colour as the rubber on the side. [speaker003:] Yes. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Uh, in the same colour as the side. [speaker002:] Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah, I think I think that'll be good. [speaker001:] Okay. And I think we should use a a darker colour for the um plastic, and maybe some more m brighter and flashy stuff [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yes, maybe we can use on the on the lights on the side we can use uh uh multiple uh lights, [speaker004:] Yes. [speaker003:] so it will uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah, we'll talk about the lights later. [speaker003:] Yes. [speaker001:] 'Cause I also don yeah, [speaker004:] Yep. [speaker001:] it's depends on the costs and such. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] But uh, and we have to agree uh upon the exact colours, but may I dunno if that's important, but we'll talk about that later. Okay, for now this is this is okay. [speaker004:] We will. [speaker001:] Um, the next p y you gonna give a presentation too? Uh, I have to see the agenda. [speaker004:] Well, uh yeah, I I'm gonna do something right there, yeah. [speaker003:] No. [gap] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Detail design. [speaker004:] We gotta do that on the right [vocalsound] [disfmarker] the most [disfmarker] right-most screen, because the leftmost [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Evaluation criteria. [speaker004:] Yep, that's me. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker004:] Alright. I will be needing that image, so leave it please. Um [disfmarker] Go away. Right, we're gonna evaluate that design according to a few points. [vocalsound] Um, we g the four of us are going to do that um together. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] I wanna have a colour over here, come on. Right, the remote [vocalsound] is not ugly, a bit weird sentence, but the positive things has to be on the left, so I [vocalsound] said not ugly instead of ugly. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Uh, what would you say, we we gotta give points to uh to all of these to evaluate uh that design, and please forget the drawing skills of these guys. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] The remote control is not ugly. How do you feel? [speaker001:] Yeah, I think four maybe would be appropriate, because it's [disfmarker] Yeah, maybe it really depends on taste. Uh, I mean it's kind of [gap], our design. It's [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yes. [speaker001:] so if maybe a lot of people find it really ugly, you know, o other people find it really cool. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Background colour. [speaker001:] I don't know or uh I don't know how you [disfmarker] [speaker004:] How do you guys feel? [speaker003:] I think I think the the fronts will give it a more uh uh uh less uglier uh side, because you can uh make it in your own [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Casting. Yeah. [speaker004:] The different designs. [speaker003:] yes, you can make it in your own uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yes. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker003:] more to your own personality or or house style. [speaker001:] Yeah, but we d we didn't [disfmarker] we're we're not planning to use fronts, I believe. [speaker004:] No, not not fronts, but different designs. [speaker001:] With a colour a co a colours. Oh, okay. [speaker002:] No, not fronts. Different designs. Different colours maybe, yeah. [speaker003:] Yes. [speaker004:] And that's still uh uh, yeah, is is uh is a little personal touch, I guess. [speaker001:] Okay, but [disfmarker] Oh, maybe we should do three or something that w you know, our [disfmarker] [speaker004:] What? Yeah, wha wha what would you uh guys uh think? Personally. [speaker003:] Or forty. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Personally. [speaker002:] We can make it a one. [speaker004:] Yes, but what is it? [speaker003:] I think two or three. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Guido? [speaker002:] Mm yeah. I agree. [speaker004:] Two or three. [speaker002:] Um, I uh I go for the positive. So I go for two. [speaker004:] I was [disfmarker] I was thinking about three, so I guess [speaker001:] Uh, I was thinking about four, so I think three is uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] three is uh a bit uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Okay, three. [speaker004:] oh, what am I doing? I'll mark it. The remote control's uh uh that n makes uh zapping easy. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah well, let that [disfmarker] let's make that a one. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yes. [speaker002:] Two. [speaker004:] Yeah? [speaker002:] One. One. [speaker004:] Antek, you agree? [speaker003:] Yes. [speaker002:] Okay yeah, I'll I'll agree. [speaker003:] Yes. [speaker004:] Yeah. You're not Antek. [speaker001:] That's one thing for sure. [speaker002:] I'm the I'm the usability, so [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] I totally agree. The remote control the remote control's relevant buttons are prominently visible. [speaker003:] Yes. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah, two or a one, I guess. [speaker002:] The [disfmarker] [speaker001:] It's something we really put work into. [speaker004:] Yeah, I [disfmarker] yeah. I would say a one because uh every button is uh uh relevant. [speaker003:] It's all about the buttons. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] And our [disfmarker] oh yeah, it's a b yeah. Yeah? Alright. That's a one? You agree? [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] The remote control hasn't got too much redundant or unneeded buttons. I think we totally succeeded there. [speaker001:] But [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Well [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Well maybe a two, because of the menu button or something. [speaker004:] Oh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah, well menu [disfmarker] Yeah, maybe. [speaker004:] Yeah, that's true. That's true. [speaker001:] And telete [speaker003:] Also, the the the buttons of the one, the two, the the digits, [speaker001:] Yeah, we don't know if the [disfmarker] uh they're necessary. [speaker004:] [gap] the the [disfmarker] [speaker003:] o they're used uh uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] yeah, m well, you d you've got a point. [speaker001:] I think a two. [speaker002:] Yeah, true. Yeah, I agree. [speaker003:] Can [disfmarker] yes, three, two. [speaker001:] Came a long way, but not [disfmarker] we didn't not uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Two or three? [speaker002:] Mm two. [speaker004:] Two? Antek. [speaker003:] But you can't make a remote control without them, [speaker002:] Because we got [disfmarker] [speaker003:] because [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Nay that that that's true, that's true. They're definitely needed. [speaker001:] No, w w it can also always be more simplistic, but two is [disfmarker] [speaker004:] So [disfmarker] we put it on a two? [speaker001:] yeah. [speaker003:] Yes. [speaker004:] The remote control has got a really trendy look. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yes. A one. [speaker004:] Maarten. [speaker001:] Yeah, uh a t I think a two. [speaker002:] Well. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah yeah, y i it's hard to say from this picture. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] We [disfmarker] we've tried to make it uh the the best trendy look uh ever. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Ever, yeah. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Guido. [speaker001:] But I do think it's more [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Uh, I will I will make it a three, because uh [disfmarker] yeah. I I th [speaker001:] But I do think that it's more trendy than beautiful. [speaker004:] Yeah, uh I agree. I agree. [speaker003:] Yes. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] So so I think maybe it has to score higher uh on this than on the [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah. True, yeah. [speaker004:] I was planning to give it a two, uh where I give the not ugly uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] A th a three. [speaker004:] oh, yeah, that's true. You agree on the two? [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yes. [speaker001:] I i uh when you compare to the [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Great. Remote control hasn't got too much redundant or unneeded buttons. [speaker001:] Uh uh what's the difference with [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Uh, I copied that one. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Well, uh forget that. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] Um [disfmarker] Go away. Remote control has got innovative technology implanted. [speaker002:] No. We're not [disfmarker] [speaker003:] No. [speaker001:] No. [speaker003:] No, not LCD, so. [speaker002:] well, maybe the the the [disfmarker] on the side. [speaker001:] Yeah, but we uh [disfmarker] [gap] you mean the rubber stuff? [speaker004:] Yeah, and the light. [speaker001:] Yeah, but we have t we have to talk about the lights uh. [speaker002:] And the light maybe. [speaker003:] But that that's not innovative. [speaker002:] But [disfmarker] [speaker001:] And I don't u also it's also really not innovative, [speaker004:] Well, I g [speaker003:] Lights lights are [disfmarker] [speaker001:] it's more [disfmarker] [speaker004:] It's not [disfmarker] seven? [speaker001:] No, six. [speaker002:] Well, six. [speaker001:] Or seven maybe, [vocalsound] yeah. [speaker002:] No, six. [speaker003:] Six. [speaker001:] Or six. [speaker004:] Why uh why not a seven? [speaker002:] Six. [speaker001:] Yeah, mine is seven. [speaker003:] Because we've tried to make it a little bit innovative, [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] but it but it [disfmarker] [speaker004:] How? [speaker001:] Uh it's uh depends on the on the maybe [disfmarker] [speaker003:] With the lights it [disfmarker] it's it's kind of future [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [gap] [disfmarker] [speaker001:] No, I think I think actually it's a seven maybe, but there's nothing innovative about it. [speaker004:] Yeah, you think the lights are innovative? Well, it's n true. Uh, I agree, m but [disfmarker] [speaker003:] But still you can retrieve it when it's when it's gone, with the [disfmarker] with [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Innovative in generally or just f original for [disfmarker] [speaker004:] I'll [disfmarker] Yeah, you you didn't draw the docking station. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yes. [vocalsound] The docking station is a is a little bit innovative. [speaker001:] N no no, [speaker004:] Yeah, it it's [disfmarker] I think I think with its [disfmarker] [speaker001:] t [gap]. [speaker002:] A docking station is innova [speaker001:] Yeah, I mean the dock station, but but uh, I think the the docking station, [vocalsound] it's gonna be a [gap] kind of a problem. [speaker003:] It's a part of the remote. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] I think more m [speaker002:] Okay. [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] And with the speaker on the [disfmarker] there's also a speaker. [speaker001:] But [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Uh that [disfmarker] that's n [speaker001:] Well, let's leave it open for uh for us later to see what, because we have to reevaluate anyway. Well I i [gap] yeah. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker001:] No? [speaker004:] No uh, well, the agenda says evaluate now, so I think we [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Okay, for now it's a six or a seven uh, sev [speaker004:] It's it's a six. [speaker001:] six maybe, [speaker002:] Six. [speaker001:] because [disfmarker] [speaker003:] But the retrieval or the [disfmarker] [speaker004:] That m f Yeah, for the retrieval function. [speaker001:] Yeah, but I don't I don't know if it's very [vocalsound] inno yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. I think that's very innovative for a remote control. [speaker003:] Yes, [speaker001:] Yeah, v [speaker003:] [gap] how would you innovate a remote control more? [speaker001:] Yeah, more through uh like function TV functionalities and [disfmarker] [speaker003:] To put it on your head. [speaker001:] no no, you know what I mean. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] You have [disfmarker] [gap] must be innovative technology for remote controls, but more in how you control stuff, not in how you find your [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah sure, but [disfmarker] [speaker001:] yeah. Yeah, it's [disfmarker] [speaker004:] But I d I definitely don't think it's a five, [speaker001:] that's that's [disfmarker] think about it la later on [speaker004:] but [disfmarker] [speaker001:] and uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Remote control is easy to use. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah, as a a one or a two ma uh at least. [speaker003:] Yes. [speaker002:] Yeah, a two. [speaker003:] Yes. [speaker004:] I think a two. Yeah? [speaker001:] Yeah, it's good. [speaker002:] More two. [speaker004:] Come on. The remote control hasn't got uh [disfmarker] [gap]. [speaker001:] No, I would have seen [vocalsound] that one before. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Oh, you skipped one uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] I've just filled [disfmarker] uh [speaker001:] Uh, here. [speaker004:] Go away. [speaker003:] You like the buttons. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] I found twelve questions so much, but it still is ten. [speaker001:] Remote control will be bought by [disfmarker] [speaker004:] It will be bought by people under the age of forty. [speaker003:] Yes. [speaker001:] Yeah. Definitely. [speaker002:] Yes. [speaker003:] In in [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Well [disfmarker] [speaker003:] and comparing with uh people of th of the age above? [speaker004:] No no no. No, just if they if they buy it. [speaker001:] Uh, just in general. Yeah, a two. [speaker003:] We don't know. [speaker001:] Yeah, but I think I think two. [speaker003:] But [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah, what do you think? [speaker002:] Yeah, I think two, yeah. I agree. Two. [speaker004:] Antek? [speaker003:] Yes, two, but only in c when you compare it with with elderly. [speaker001:] Uh, that is not the question. It's just w it will be bought by people under forty. [speaker004:] No, that's no comparison. [speaker001:] Yeah, you can [disfmarker] yeah, you can be very picky about it. [speaker004:] And I don't mean two people. [speaker003:] This is just guessing. [speaker001:] Ah yeah, just make it [disfmarker] we'll make it a two. [speaker003:] Make it a two. [speaker004:] W w [speaker003:] When it succeeds, uh it can get a two, mu [speaker004:] Right, the rem The remote control has recognisable corporate image, colour, logo or slogan. [speaker001:] Oh no. Yeah. Yeah, you have make an [speaker002:] We don't have the slogan though. [speaker001:] [disfmarker] slogan is quite obvious [gap]. [speaker004:] Oh, the slogan. [speaker001:] Oh the [disfmarker] oh sorry, no, not not the slogan. [speaker004:] Can we see the slogan? [speaker002:] The logo. [speaker001:] Yeah, you can put that on the side if [vocalsound] if we would like to. [speaker003:] A logo. [speaker002:] Underneath it or something. [speaker003:] Yes, uh encrypted uh with [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah, and I will I th still think it's gonna be a two or a three. [speaker004:] Are we gonna do that? [speaker002:] [vocalsound] A three. Three. [speaker001:] Maybe a three this time. [speaker002:] Yeah, a three. [speaker003:] Yes. [speaker004:] Three? I agree. Because of the slogan [gap] [disfmarker] [speaker001:] And uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Remote control's got a basic design intended uh for novice users. [speaker001:] Uh, it's a one or a two. [speaker002:] Yeah, two. [speaker003:] Yes. [speaker004:] Two? [speaker001:] Yeah, make it a two. [speaker002:] Two. [speaker004:] Two. Alright. We gotta add up the scores now to see our total average. Four, five, seven, nine. Forget that. Fifteen, seventeen, twenty one, twenty four, twenty six. Twenty six. It's a two point six. [speaker001:] It's not that bad. [speaker004:] Alright, we [disfmarker] yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah, and that's mostly the inno when we uh score higher on innovative technology, we would score two, [speaker004:] Yeah. True. [speaker001:] which is uh quite a great score. Okay. Uh, this is [disfmarker] was uh the evaluation? [speaker004:] [vocalsound] This was my evaluation. So [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Because I I still think that the most important part of this meeting still has [disfmarker] [speaker004:] We did a pretty nice job until now. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Um, is this your [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Is there something after this uh meeting? Or [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Whatever. Well, I think we gotta fill out another questionnaire. [speaker002:] No. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker002:] Okay, yeah. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Still opened or uh [disfmarker] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Okay, finance. Because um [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Shoot. [speaker001:] I received uh a spreadsheet. [speaker004:] A five. A five. [speaker001:] Yeah, but I uh actually don't need this presentation, I guess. Oh. [speaker004:] Doesn't matter. [speaker001:] I'm gonna open the spreadsheet and we're gonna work this out together, because I didn't really fin uh I have a [gap]. [speaker002:] [gap] [speaker001:] Didn't really finish it. Well, we uh [disfmarker] We'll see. We'll stumble upon some problems. [speaker004:] We probably will. [speaker001:] [gap] I probably have already opened it here. [gap] try it again. First of all, the mm all the docking station and costs and such are not included in this list. But let's let's st start with beginning. We include one battery. I i uh I'll explain its [disfmarker] Uh, the the components are listed over here. Uh, price is given. We um [disfmarker] yeah, [speaker004:] The amount, yeah. [speaker001:] we we uh indicate the amount of components of the specif specific component, how much we need of them. And then uh, we'll uh calcula Don't watch the number yet. I don't know if it's filled in properly. Okay, we need one battery. One battery. I think one battery is enough. [speaker003:] Yes. [speaker001:] We don't need kinetic, solar cells, hand dynamo. A s okay, this this is a p first problem. Uh, I think we should know how many simple chips, regular chips [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Uh it's it's one one chip, but but you have to choose one from it. [speaker001:] Okay. But [gap] [disfmarker] [speaker003:] The simple chip is e enough I I think, but with the lights with the lights and the retrieval, it can be uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] I don't know [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Where did we find this information? [speaker004:] I haven't got an idea on on which we need to use, really. [speaker001:] Was it [disfmarker] [speaker003:] No, uh I [disfmarker] [speaker001:] I think it was uh your job in the first uh meet Uh, f your first presentation to make this clear, but then you had some t time problems. [speaker002:] No. [speaker003:] Yes, [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] my my my uh [disfmarker] The the email I got said uh simple chip, but when we put in the speaker and the retriever uh device, it will uh cost a a bit more, like I think the advanced chip [disfmarker] maybe. [speaker004:] Yeah. And how do you know? I mean, you got that email. Did it point out what to use them for? [speaker003:] Bec No, the [disfmarker] they didn't know about a retriever or a speaker uh in it. [speaker001:] Maybe you can uh look it up right now. Okay, but [disfmarker] okay. When we don't [disfmarker] when we leave the uh retriever and such aside, what [gap] [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Then it's a simple chip. [speaker001:] then it would be a simple chip. And with the retriever, it would be an advanced chip. [speaker003:] Yes, [speaker004:] Alright, [speaker003:] I I I s I [disfmarker] [speaker004:] well, point out the advanced chip for now, I guess. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] That will be enough for future uh recommendations. [speaker001:] Yeah, but it will it will it will be [disfmarker] cause a lot of problems. [vocalsound] The sample sensor [disfmarker] sample speaker. What is it m is that the speaker we were t I don't know what it is. [speaker003:] I don't know it uh either. [speaker004:] I don't know. [speaker001:] Okay, we went for the double-curved case [speaker003:] Yes. [speaker001:] made out of plastic and rubber. And with a special colour. I guess that's what we were [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Well, special colour. [gap]. [speaker001:] Yeah, I don't know about the special colour, [speaker003:] Otherwise, you get uh a standard uh plastic colour. [speaker001:] but I think w uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] I don't know if it's very special. [speaker002:] I don't [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah, I think we uh we have special colours. [speaker002:] Mm okay. [speaker003:] Standard rubber. [speaker004:] Alright, that's okay. [speaker001:] Okay, then the push-button, I was just counting them. [speaker003:] St [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Uh, I think you have to indicate the amount of push-buttons we want to use, isn't it? [speaker002:] Whoa, it's a little [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yes. [speaker001:] Well that's bit of a problem, because I re but I really don't understand that, because I can imagine a remote control with far more push-buttons, and it wouldn't be possible according to this uh sheet. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] That's huge. No. We have [vocalsound] the simplest buttons. [speaker004:] No. [speaker003:] No, it's only uh when you use push-buttons, it will cost that much. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] I don't think so, because it says amount. [speaker003:] If you use a scroll-wheel [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Ah. Yeah, it wouldn't [disfmarker] [speaker004:] The the the yellow row is the amount of [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Fill in the number of components you plan to use in the [gap] and the total cost [disfmarker] I don't know. [speaker003:] Maybe it's the kind of push-buttons. [speaker001:] I [speaker003:] You can have f four kind of push-buttons. Rubber. [speaker002:] Uh, one til nine. [speaker003:] You can have uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Is that one or is that nine buttons? [speaker001:] And I count them like this. One two three uh four five six seven eight nine ten eleven twelve and thirteen. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Because [disfmarker] Oh, this is [disfmarker] oh, this is one, okay. Twelve, okay, then it would be eighteen, because uh, I uh rated them as uh um [speaker004:] To n [speaker001:] as uh uh uh separate buttons. [speaker004:] that's total of four buttons. [speaker003:] Different, yes. [speaker001:] Yes. And plus these two, f uh plus the mute button, and it's will be uh eighteen. [speaker004:] I think that [disfmarker] Eighteen. One two three four five, si [speaker003:] Why is that so uh expensive. [speaker001:] Yeah, I don't understand. Y I do I don't get the point, because it's would be s relatively so expensive, just these m small buttons. [speaker002:] Is it cents, the the the fifty cents a button? [speaker004:] Fifty cents for one single stupid button. [speaker003:] So, whe when you [disfmarker] so then it [disfmarker] [speaker002:] No way. [speaker001:] Well, okay, well well let's make it just one. [speaker003:] It's eighty percent of the price of the of the amount of [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Here, now it's now it's already s [speaker004:] Yeah, exactly. Yeah. [speaker001:] shall we just give our own interpretation to, [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] because else we would really have a problem. It would be impossible to make it [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] I can't [disfmarker] I I I couldn't understand it if it was fifty cents per uh uh per button. Really. [speaker002:] It's way [disfmarker] [speaker003:] When you have the same amount of button, you have to put in wi in your carton. Board. [speaker001:] And and less buttons than this isn't possible. [speaker004:] Yeah, yeah, [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] And then throw it [disfmarker] [speaker001:] This is the most simple [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] No, no no. [speaker001:] yeah, it is possible, but I've never seen one before. [speaker003:] But whe [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] I've seen one uh one remote control with only the pu yeah, only with uh page up, page down and volume, [speaker004:] No, really. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yeah, without the numbers. That's possible. [speaker002:] Yeah, uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah, we could skip the numbers. [speaker003:] but but [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah, but I d I wouldn't want to own that. Really. [speaker002:] That's still four. [speaker003:] Uh, it's it's still for little children. They can handle that remote control, [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] but but it isn't fo [speaker001:] Then uh, teletext would also be im impossible. [speaker003:] Yes, it's for [disfmarker] it's li uh it's just for a little [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah, that's no option, that's no option. [speaker001:] Okay, we'll we'll just [disfmarker] okay. But then still, [vocalsound] when we [disfmarker] there's no room for a docking station or something. Tha w Le let's see th we have uh [disfmarker] oh yeah, button supplements. We'll give the buttons special colour. We'll give them a special form. Uh, I think we should mark the special form thing, because it [disfmarker] this will be some special forms incorporated in these big buttons, I guess. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] A special colour, why a special colour? [speaker001:] Because the buttons will be uh d will be matching colour between the buttons and the rubber surroundings. [speaker002:] But wha what s what special? [speaker003:] Otherwise, it [disfmarker] [speaker001:] I think that's the [disfmarker] what they mean by a special colour. [speaker002:] Okay, yeah. [speaker003:] Otherwise it would be the [disfmarker] [speaker004:] I don't think the special form is really true. [speaker002:] Uh, yeah. [speaker001:] I think all the special colour things have to be marked over here, because that's what we were planning to do, making it [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Special form also, it says. [speaker001:] Yeah, special material r also, [speaker004:] Is it? [speaker001:] because i has rubber. And the buttons have to be rubber. [speaker003:] What is the normal material? [speaker004:] Yeah, I dunno. [speaker002:] Plastic. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Sh yeah. [speaker002:] Plastic, I think. [speaker003:] Classic? [speaker002:] Plastic. [speaker004:] Plastic. [speaker003:] Oh, plastic. [speaker001:] 'Kay, but the problem now is that [vocalsound] the [disfmarker] There's no such thing as a docking station in this list, but we can all imagine that it would be impossible to make a docking station for thirty cents. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] But we can uh sell the remote control and uh sell the docking station [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Separately. [speaker002:] Se no no no. [speaker003:] yes. And and [disfmarker] but we don't have to tell it, but what we can say of [disfmarker] can um almost make it impossible to buy a remote control without the docking station. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yeah, yeah. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah, but I do like the idea, but we [disfmarker] yeah. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] It uh [disfmarker] but it [disfmarker] then the docking station isn't relevant for this project anymore, but we can [disfmarker] [speaker004:] No. [speaker003:] No, but you [disfmarker] otherwise you can't retrieve it. [speaker001:] but then you still have to use [disfmarker] we have to find out what chip we u need. [speaker004:] Yeah, I really don't get it. I mean if it's a simple chip, then we suddenly got two Euros and thirty cents. [speaker001:] I think we can agree on this. I I think the special colour thing has to be uh marked. 'Cause I think we uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah, yep. [speaker001:] Yeah, I think that's what what what they uh mean [disfmarker] [speaker003:] But for two Euros and thirty cents, we uh we don't get a docking station. [speaker004:] I think so, too. Oh, I don't know. [speaker001:] But can we find out uh about uh this chips? Because when we don't need a d a docking station, then probably we also have only [disfmarker] we also need a simple chip. [speaker002:] And then we can get a docking station. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] And maybe then we can do something extra. [speaker003:] For [gap] [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Oh, n uh oh, still [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] oh, it's gonna get more expensive with [gap]. Two. Then we have some money left. We can put then [disfmarker] [speaker003:] For two Euros. [speaker001:] We can put a scroll-wheel on it or something. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Uh why? [speaker001:] Yeah, well who knows. [speaker004:] I mean i i if you [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Or a little bit of tin titanium. [speaker004:] if it would cost two Euros, that had a total a total thing, it would be nice too, I mean uh we're not gonna add uh a trip to Hawaii to it. [speaker002:] But what what can we do [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah, or we can ki do the kinetic cells. That's also maybe an idea. [speaker002:] But uh what can we do with the simple chip and what's difference with a regular chip and a advanced chip? [speaker001:] Yeah that's what then what he has to find out. Maybe you can uh find it in your email right now, then we know [disfmarker] [speaker002:] If if i [speaker001:] then we exactly know what it will cost us. Maybe is that [disfmarker] that's nice to know. [speaker002:] Regular chip and [disfmarker] because we don't have uh special functions to use uh in advanced chip, for example. [speaker001:] Yeah, bu bu but when we [disfmarker] [speaker004:] I like the hand dynamo part. [speaker001:] yeah, but when we skip when we um [disfmarker] when we don't use the do we're not gonna make the docking station, then we still [disfmarker] yeah, we need something else maybe to make it kind of special, because that was our our special feature. [speaker004:] We can make a plain docking station for two Euros. [speaker002:] Yeah. We'll go back uh tomorrow. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] I mean [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah, okay, you can also do that, but maybe [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Wi wi without recharge [disfmarker] [speaker001:] It still is a special remote control cons uh you know, wi its form is special and material. [speaker004:] Yeah, but but we can make a docking station for two Euros uh if you don't put the recharge function in it. I mean, it has a shape. [speaker001:] Yeah, but for two Euros, then we have still [disfmarker] maybe we have to use the advanced chip, [speaker004:] Of course it has a shape, but i i [speaker001:] then two Euros isn't even possible. [speaker004:] Why should that not be possible? [speaker001:] Yeah, then [disfmarker] because then we'd [disfmarker] thirty cents left. [speaker004:] No, for for the uh for the docking station if you do if you choose the simple chip. [speaker001:] Yeah, but [disfmarker] yeah, I don't know, because maybe d uh yeah, we have to find out with the simple chip. [speaker002:] That's the question. If we do i do we need an advanced chip, or is it okay f [speaker004:] Yes. [speaker001:] Yeah, and w and and we uh need f [speaker003:] It isn't in my information, so I don't know it uh either. [speaker001:] and what is this? Sample sensor sample speaker. [speaker003:] It isn't in my information, I uh I [disfmarker] I've got a schematic view of the remote control, but nothing about uh advanced chips or [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [gap] [disfmarker] You can look at it for s presentation. S technical functions? [speaker002:] No. [speaker003:] Uh I've got here in uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] No no, they were uh mine, yeah. [speaker003:] I will put a I will put a page on it. [speaker001:] Oh. [speaker003:] When my mouse works again. [speaker001:] Oh, oh oh. Hey. Oh. [speaker003:] My mouse is uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Dead. [speaker003:] Yes. [speaker004:] Reanimate it. [speaker003:] Oh. [speaker002:] Died. [speaker003:] Ah, I've got it. I will put uh my email on the the network. [speaker004:] What the hell are these? [speaker003:] It's on it. [speaker004:] Oh, whatever. [speaker002:] Yeah, it's open. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Mm. I don't think here [disfmarker] it's in here already. [speaker002:] It's circuit board. It's only just basics for for [disfmarker] [speaker001:] It's nothing about s yeah. [speaker003:] Yes. [speaker002:] At the end circuit there is an infrared LED. [speaker004:] This isn't helpful. [speaker001:] No. But i in the presentation of yours, there was also something about different components. Which one was it? [speaker002:] Components design. [speaker001:] Functional requirements? [speaker003:] Um [disfmarker] [speaker004:] No, that was my presentation. [speaker002:] Components design maybe. [speaker003:] Yes, that was mine. [speaker002:] N on top. [speaker001:] Ah. Ah yes, it was the second one. [speaker003:] But that was my second [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah, it was your second [disfmarker] [speaker004:] It's already open. [speaker001:] your first presentation. [speaker004:] It's at the bottom. [speaker002:] Working design. [speaker001:] Sorry? [speaker004:] It's uh at your task bar. [speaker002:] Yeah, but it's the the other one. [speaker004:] Oh. [speaker003:] Mm [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Uh, this is n this is not this n [speaker002:] Was it working design or components design? [speaker004:] Sorry. [speaker001:] that's not the right one. I don't [disfmarker] oh. [speaker004:] Okay, sorry. [speaker001:] No, this is the other one. Or maybe something is uh [disfmarker] maybe there's something abo in in these [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Chip set. [speaker003:] But this is the same uh [disfmarker] This is o only the possibilities. [speaker001:] Here. [speaker003:] Yeah. We can use a simple, a regular, or advanced chip. [speaker004:] Yeah, nice. I it doesn't say anything. [speaker002:] The display requires an advanced chip. [speaker001:] You know that a push-button requires a simple chip, but a scroll-wheel, it it me requires [disfmarker] [gap] [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Ah, okay. [speaker001:] Okay, so we only need a simple chip. [speaker002:] Requires. [speaker003:] With the light. [speaker002:] Little lights. Yeah, but that that's just the same as the the LED. [speaker001:] No no, that's just a simple chip. [speaker004:] That's not needed. [speaker001:] A scroll-wheel [disfmarker] [gap] [disfmarker] it s uh only states that a scroll-wheel requires a regular chip, and that a display requires an advanced chip. So, we don't need any of them. [speaker004:] A display uh is, of course, uh for showing letters. For showing text. [speaker003:] LCD. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] I don't think that uh just a l a little light [disfmarker] [speaker002:] No. I think uh the uh normal uh simple chip will be okay. [speaker004:] Yeah, I agree. [speaker001:] And what's the sample sensor slash sample speaker? [speaker003:] Maybe you can say against the remote uh page uh f uh page up, page down. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah, I guess so too. [speaker002:] Yeah, true. [speaker004:] Next channel. [speaker002:] Well, that's not too [disfmarker] what we want. [speaker004:] No. Well, we might want it, but [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] All in twelve Euros. [speaker001:] Back to the costs. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Twelve Euros and fifty cents. [speaker001:] So we're gonna use the simple chip. [speaker002:] So, simple chip is okay. [speaker004:] Great. Delete. Yeah. [speaker003:] And the lights. Where uh are the lights? [speaker002:] Yeah, lights, yeah, there's no [speaker004:] Well, there're three, I guess. [speaker002:] category. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Nah, there is some money left to be spent. [speaker002:] Can we do it wi within two two Euro? [speaker004:] I think we can make a docking station. Yeah. [speaker001:] Okay, but what we have to think about now is that is is it still a special remote control? But I mean it isn't [disfmarker] it hasn't got any innovative technology, we aren't gonna apply any uh innovated [disfmarker] innovative te technology anyway, I think. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] I don't I don't see any possibility to do so, because it would [disfmarker] wouldn't fit our defi design philosophy. [speaker002:] But it's original. [speaker001:] But what w is there some extra [disfmarker] [speaker004:] No, that's true. [speaker001:] maybe I think maybe the kinetic thing is something. Instead of the rechargeable [disfmarker] the rechargeable thing was something to um [disfmarker] know, so y so people wouldn't have to worry about their batteries anymore. [speaker004:] M bu [speaker001:] Maybe we [disfmarker] if we put the kinetic thing in it [disfmarker] [speaker003:] But but sometimes you put a [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah, you leave the p yeah, I know, but still I [disfmarker] they will think about that. I mean if you u [speaker003:] Kinetics aren't uh nowadays only used in watches and that's because you're always walking. [speaker001:] The uh [disfmarker] it's made for s people [disfmarker] well, the they don't [disfmarker] if it was uh uh r useless technology, they wouldn't put it uh as a possibility. [speaker003:] Uh solar cells are useless. [speaker001:] And i it it [disfmarker] th th the the target [speaker004:] Or the hand dynamo dynamo [disfmarker] [speaker001:] the target uh group are people who zap regularly and throw with their remote control as a matter of speaking [gap]. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Because I think it [disfmarker] when when there w was a remote control where it was useful to have a kinetic uh uh power source, then it would be this one. Because it's one [disfmarker] it gets thrown around [gap] thrown around a lot and it gets used a lot [disfmarker] Hey that [disfmarker] maybe that's cool [disfmarker] that's a cool thing about it, you know. You don't use batteries. [speaker004:] Yeah, but but if we ca [speaker001:] I've never seen it before in a remote control. [speaker004:] I don't know if [disfmarker] [speaker002:] But then we could make a docking station. [speaker004:] Five minutes. [speaker001:] No, we we we can't make a docking station anyway. [speaker004:] That's not true. [speaker001:] Yeah, we can als or uh also m we we can make one [disfmarker] [speaker004:] We can make a docking station for two thirty. [speaker002:] Wow, w why no li [speaker001:] we can still make [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Look at now, we got two [speaker004:] Two thirty. [speaker003:] Fo [vocalsound] for a docking station. [speaker002:] two thirty left. [speaker004:] We can make a docking station. Sure. [speaker002:] Ca can't we make a docking station of that? [speaker003:] With a cable, with uh buttons on it, with retrieval uh device in it. [speaker004:] Sure. [speaker002:] I don't know. [speaker004:] The power device is is i i is very cheap. That's just a regular uh power cable and whatever. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yeah, but be serious, then uh the docking station will be a fifth of the price of the remote control. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Wi with a button to [speaker002:] Well, we we uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] So. [speaker003:] wi with a button to retrieve it, so it will beep. Uh, so it's uh wireless technology. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yeah, but we uh we don't inc we haven't looked at the [disfmarker] these costs of the speaker and other stuff. I don't think it's realistic for you to do so. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Well then it's a useless project. [speaker003:] Look at the case, [speaker001:] Oh, because we [gap] [disfmarker] [speaker003:] the case the case of of uh of uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah, then we don't have any innovation things. [speaker001:] We [disfmarker] well look at all the special stuff we have. Colour a the colours are special, the form is special. It [disfmarker] th this is whole concept. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Can't we uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Uh maybe it [disfmarker] with the kinetic thing, I think we could do uh do a compromise uh with the kim kinetic thing. [speaker004:] Can't we say fifteen Euros? [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Uh, no. [speaker004:] No, sta yeah [gap] I mean [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] No, then we have to sell it for thirty Euros. [speaker004:] No. [speaker002:] No, we only make less profit of it. [speaker003:] It's the [disfmarker] [speaker004:] You can sell for twenty seven and a half. Then you make as much profit as you would with twelve and a half production costs. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] No. [speaker001:] Yeah, I don my suggestion is to just forget about the whole docking station thing and make it uh like a [disfmarker] Uh uh I I I I still fee I also feel this concept of making it kinetic, because of the [disfmarker] you know, it g it gives something dynamic to the remote control. [speaker004:] I don't think [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Maybe we can uh can do it both. Maybe we can do it both uh in the in the in the remote. Battery and kinetic. [speaker004:] No. [speaker001:] No, that wouldn't n no. [speaker004:] Thirteen twenty. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah, and it is also not a good [disfmarker] it's not [disfmarker] you have to really do it only kinetic, you don't want it to think about batteries anymore. [speaker004:] And I think only [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yes, but when it's [disfmarker] then when it [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah, but only kinetic, then you gotta [disfmarker] [speaker001:] No no. [speaker003:] then you have to shake it uh and all when it's when it's empty. [speaker001:] Yeah, it's great. [speaker004:] You you gotta throw uh throw it through the room like twenty times an hour, really. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] No no no. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] No no, this is very sophisticated technology technology. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] When you use it [disfmarker] your remote like once a day, or maybe even less i i it [disfmarker] [speaker003:] You asked for three d No, that's n that's not true. Uh, a watch is uh kinetic because you walk all the time. [speaker004:] No. [speaker001:] It [disfmarker] We can make it [disfmarker] yeah [disfmarker] no. Becau be but a remote control gets [disfmarker] why do they state that this technology can be used if it [speaker003:] Yes, solar cells are also stated. [speaker001:] Yeah, m but a w uh uh n uh a calculator also works on r on solar cells. [speaker003:] Why don't we use solar cells then? [speaker001:] Because I think the d whole dynamic part, do you know, appeals to me qui uh thinking of our design philosophy, you know, with the rubber parts and uh sturdiness of the thing, and y when you move it around a lot, then people find the idea funny that when I move my remote control around and [disfmarker] [speaker003:] That's true. [speaker004:] Yeah, it's funny for a week. I guess something like that, where you have to move it around very frequently, is demotivating. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yeah, but you don't have to. Trust me. The idea of this technology is that you don't think about it, it just happens. [speaker004:] No, I I don't move my uh my remote control very much, seriously. [speaker001:] Okay, then we d Okay, well y we don't have to do it, but what [disfmarker] that would just have a lack of key features, you know. [speaker003:] Oui. [speaker001:] You m have to put something on your box. You have to make people buy it and uh [disfmarker] We can really can do the docking thing, uh it's not [disfmarker] yeah, uh we can do it, but it's would be a easy way out. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] You can do it for fifty cents. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Well, we've got more than fifty Cents. [speaker003:] The c [vocalsound] The case the case alone is is is uh [speaker001:] Okay, but we have to grou to agree upon something, because uh we only have a minute left or so. [speaker003:] the case alone for uh remote control is at least one Euro. Then we have one Euro thirty for the whole docking station. [speaker001:] No no, it's not possible. Okay, w b we can s we can leave it on be well then then th it's [disfmarker] this is [disfmarker] then then our concept is ready. [speaker002:] Cheap remote control. [speaker001:] Yeah, we make some extra profit of it. [speaker004:] Yeah. [vocalsound] No, we won't, but that's um something else. [speaker003:] But now [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] It w it won't tell, but [disfmarker] [speaker004:] No, this not gonna sell. No. [speaker001:] Huh, any ideas? [speaker004:] Of course not. [speaker002:] No, uh, n no [speaker003:] Great [gap]. It's great. [speaker002:] Yeah, we just have to go all what we did today again. You have to do it over. [speaker003:] Our remote control. [speaker004:] We come back tomorrow, okay? [speaker002:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] No no uh there's still there's still someth concept and something special left. [speaker003:] Yes. [speaker002:] [gap] the [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Seventy Euros. [speaker001:] I mean we're gonna [disfmarker] it's gonna excel in in on in the the range in the field of design and and uh looks and feel. [speaker002:] No, but [disfmarker] no. [speaker001:] That's what it's [disfmarker] makes it special. Yeah, and I would li I would have liked a kinetic part as well, to give it some just to give it some extra special feature, and uh I know it will work, but uh it's it's an [disfmarker] They're they're not putting technologies on this [gap], but if it if it was impossible to to make it happen. [speaker003:] Why not a hand dynamo then? [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Okay, well we leave it like this. Then it's c then we're [disfmarker] yeah. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yeah, yeah. [speaker004:] We can't do anything else. Warning, finish meeting now. [speaker003:] We're done. [speaker001:] Okay, project e uh [speaker003:] Is this it? [speaker001:] well, we were gonna what look [disfmarker] take a look at the last sheet. [speaker004:] Yeah, [vocalsound] sure. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker004:] No, we can't. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah, we have to [disfmarker] Yeah, it's [gap] [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] No. [speaker004:] Yes, yes. Celebration. [speaker003:] Yes. [speaker004:] I don't see why, but [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Where's the champagne? [speaker004:] I think we gotta fill out another questionnaire, to be honest. [speaker002:] Yeah? [speaker003:] I don't uh hear a bell. [speaker004:] No, not yet. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Alright, I'll see you guys in a minute. [speaker002:] We can do it here then. [speaker003:] Bye. [speaker004:] I don't think so. [speaker002:] Can we [disfmarker] can't we do it here? [speaker004:] I don't know. I don't I don't think so. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Uh-huh. Just fill that one in. [speaker002:] Yeah, we're doing now. But it's [gap]. Oh, okay. [speaker001:] Uh, I don't know. [speaker002:] Nice.

[speaker002:] [vocalsound] Alright, yeah. [gap] crack on [gap]. Okay so we'll start off with a quick overview of the minutes. I think to sum up the last meeting, would be to say um the requirements that we've um set out. Those are we were going to go for what seemed to be a fairly minimal design based on uh a small joystick, [vocalsound] LCD and a couple of other buttons for navigation um with power being I suppose one of the main single purpose buttons. Um we were also going to use [gap] novelty of being able to locate the remote control again via a small transmitter with any luck, the idea to try and separate us and also because of the minimal design um looks like we'll be able to be fairly adventurous in the actual physical shape of our remote control with any luck. Um that pretty much sums up the last one. So we'll just crack on, um like to maybe start with the Industrial Designer if it's possible. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Uh uh okay. [speaker002:] Um uh the con today is the concep today. [speaker004:] I'll just [disfmarker] [speaker002:] This uh meeting is the conceptual design phase and is um [disfmarker] Sorry about this. [gap]. And is to cover things like um what the parts might be made of, um, can we uh outsource these from elsewhere, um will we have to construct any items ourselves? [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Uh I have a presentation [gap] I just saved it in the uh the folder. [speaker002:] Yeah, okay well I'll just uh I'll load it up then. Um [vocalsound]. Which one do y [speaker004:] Uh. [speaker002:] Oh, interface concept? [speaker001:] Yeah, that's me. [speaker002:] That's you. We've got trend watching, that's you. [speaker004:] It's uh [disfmarker] Components design. [speaker002:] Components design. [speaker004:] [gap]. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker004:] Alright. [vocalsound] So [disfmarker] [vocalsound] Uh. The case uh le that's what I wrote first of all, could be plastic our plastic. Uh but later on [gap] we found out that um it can be rubber as well, or titanium or even wood. So uh we decide what it's gonna be. Probably plastic. Uh we need the infra-red transmitter. Get that off the shelf. Uh joystick we'll probably if we're gonna use it, um could be plastic w or rubber even as well. Um [vocalsound] if you go on to the next slide. Uh [disfmarker] [vocalsound] If you go on to f uh findings, it's like two or three slides down. Right. So, [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker004:] this is what I found we can use. Uh three different types of batteries. Um can either use a hand dynamo, or the kinetic type ones, you know that they use in watches, or else uh a solar powered one. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker004:] Um. [speaker002:] Now, the kinetic one, we've [disfmarker] 'cause that's the ones where like you [disfmarker] the movement causes it. [speaker003:] Cost is [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Um the bat uh the battery for a a watch wouldn't require a lot of power, would be my one query. Is a kinetic one going to be able to supply enough power? [speaker001:] Mm. There's also a watch moves around a great deal more. [speaker002:] Do you think? [speaker004:] Uh. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker002:] W [speaker004:] Yeah, I don't think it would. Um. And solar cells, I dunno about that. [speaker003:] [gap] yeah. [speaker004:] Uh. We should probably just use conventional batteries. Um, just like in usual remote controls. [speaker002:] Which I suppose as well would allow us to go off the shelf again, you'd say? [speaker004:] Um. Yeah. Um. [vocalsound] And these are three different types of [disfmarker] or two different types [disfmarker] three different types of shapes you can have. Uh one is a flat one, and then more original ones are single curved one or one with a double curved. Um [vocalsound] the materials are tha there as you can see, but uh you can't have a titanium one for a double curved, [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] uh which would be [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Titanium, the really strong metal, titanium? [speaker004:] Yeah, [speaker003:] Is it not also it's expensive? [speaker004:] and light. Uh, i think so as well, yeah. They make mountain bikes out of that, [speaker002:] Um. Um. [speaker004:] don't they. So it's really light as well. [speaker002:] Curious. Um, I don't know if you'd be able to off the top of your head or not, the single curved and double curved, would you be able to give an example? [speaker004:] Um. [vocalsound] T yeah. [speaker002:] Um could you maybe draw something? I you don't doesn't have to be perfect, it's just 'cause I'm not quite sure if I understand the difference between the two. [speaker004:] Uh. Well for a curved, well I was thinking to [disfmarker] f for to sit in your [disfmarker] the palm of your hand. Uh maybe like this, with the uh joy pad here. Joystick here. And maybe um an okay button around here, so that the thumb can uh use it quite easily. Um I don't exactly [vocalsound] [disfmarker] Double curved. It probably means [disfmarker] this is probably double curved. Uh whereas a single curved would be like that. I guess. Or not necessarily. [speaker002:] So it might literally just be [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Two curves [gap]. [speaker002:] okay. [speaker004:] Yeah like that. Whereas this is two curves. Um [vocalsound] so I guess that's what they mean by uh double curve. [speaker002:] Alright. [speaker004:] Um which obviously [disfmarker] it looks better than the single curve, but uh you can't have it in titanium, which is uh a nice material. [vocalsound] Uh [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker004:] and for the buttons, um it can have the scroll wheel which they use in mouses for com PCs. Uh but um it requires a more expensive chip to use, and if you wanna use LCD it's even more expensive. So you have to decide, there's trade-offs there. Um [vocalsound] if you want the buttons to be [disfmarker] oh yeah, if you have a double curve uh control and it's rubber, then you have these rubber buttons as well. But [vocalsound] you're gonna ha I reckon you're gonna have to have uh key a number keypad anyway for the amount of channels these days. You wouldn't want to just have to scroll through all the channels to get to the one you want. You wanna enter just the number of it, if you know it. So um I reckon we're gonna have to have a number keypad anyway. Do you think? [speaker002:] Okay, that was definitely something we can talk about. Um so you've got a little bit about the the chip that we might require as well? [speaker004:] Yeah. So, depends where gonna spend the money if you want the f fancy LCD display. [speaker002:] Um, do you have any idea so far, like when we're saying that we'd need an advanced chip for an LCD, does that in shoot the cost up by a drastic amount? Or? [speaker003:] Need an advanced chip for the LCD. Is that [disfmarker] did I [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Well I think compared to say just pressing [gap] buttons. [speaker004:] Yep. [speaker003:] Advanced, like three eight six advance. [speaker002:] [gap] if you press a button that sends a certain transmission through the infra-red, whereas I think if we're controlling the LCD we definitely require a much more powerful chip. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker002:] Just compared to the chip you would use for pushing buttons I think is the the point being made. [speaker003:] Okay, sure. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker002:] If I've not over-stepped. Yeah? [speaker004:] Yeah i [speaker002:] Okay, um should I go on, or go back? [speaker004:] Um [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Mm, if we only have twelve Pounds fifty, twelve Euros, not even twelve Pounds. Twelve Euros, what's that, like eight pounds or something like that, nine Pounds? [speaker002:] Well we'd also be relying on the um the bulk buying in producement and such. I assume. [speaker003:] Okay, that's good point. [speaker002:] We have to look into the costs of those. So, sorry. [speaker004:] Uh the previous slides just explain what's in the internal components of the uh remote control. If you go to the one before that uh so it just says what it does, translate the key press into an infra-red signal and this is received by the TV. Uh the chip just needs to detect the signal or detect the key press and then uh it'll send it to the tr the amplifier. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker004:] And uh then the next slide just shows how the uh copper wires uh interact with the buttons, the rubber buttons, uh to uh get sent to the chip. So that's just how the control works inside. Um we have to decide on what buttons we're gonna use. [gap]. [speaker002:] Okay. Um. [gap]. So in the information that you've been supplied, how feasible would you say that the idea of using an LCD looks? [speaker004:] Um [disfmarker] I think we can do it if [vocalsound] uh we use conventional batteries and not have solar cells or kinetic. Um and then maybe use single curved uh case. Because we might need it to be curved for the uh thumb to use the joyst joystick easily. Um and then you'll need the advanced chip obviously for the LCD. [speaker002:] Um I mean that sounds like quite a good requirement to me. Um conventional battery would seem to make sense. Um I'm not sure if there's any cost differences between single and double curved [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] and I'm [disfmarker] I don't know about anybody else, but plastic or rubber as a traditional form of casing would seem to be a good way forward? [gap]. [speaker001:] Mm. Um I'm actually gonna be bold and go oo go straight for rubber um for reasons I'll go into uh in more detail. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker003:] I also have a preference for rubber. [speaker002:] Okay, well um [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Based on my research. [speaker002:] Yeah, well will we move on to user interface, and [disfmarker] yeah? [speaker001:] [gap]. [speaker002:] Um sorry, [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker002:] as long as [disfmarker] were you? [speaker004:] Yep I'm finished. [speaker002:] Yeah. Okay. Um [gap] and d d d interface concept. [speaker001:] Yep. Now I'm gonna have to work between the uh the slides and the uh [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] and the white board 'cause I actually I have some fairly concrete things this time. Uh um I was given a an HTML file giving um various ideas from uh from other previous remote control designs, and pretty much decided to just dump them all. I wasn't very impressed by them and they didn't seem to re uh nothing I saw seemed to meet the sorts of design specifications that we're going for today. Um so what I ra rather than looking at other remotes, uh ra oomp be better to simply look at the human hand. Um and try and f um and try and figure out a way of laying out the elements we've already decided on, um so that if r a if [vocalsound] so that the finger is e each finger or thumb is wherever it needs to be already. Um so uh next slide, if you please. Um and what we've basically decided on was the the um the joy uh the joystick, two function buttons and the LCD, just keep it paired down to the absolute minimum. I don't actually think we need the um the numeric keypad because if you m because one of the menus that we could have available um [vocalsound] v via via the LCD is one where you scroll through channels, so if there's something f [vocalsound] and be bear in mind since this isn't meant to work for um [speaker003:] [gap] digital. [speaker004:] Ah, okay. [speaker001:] f f f [vocalsound] for di for digital or um or for [vocalsound] or for cable, whatever, you're basically looking at four or five terrestrial channels, and then um your VC uh and then the channel through your VCR and or DVD player. And or um [gap] box. So it's not [vocalsound] I'm not really excessively concerned about that. You must have two two modes, basic mode, where um the joystick's uh left right [vocalsound] left right for channels, up down for volume, um and the uh uh and the menu mode for uh further functions. Um now the reason I was particularly interested in using rubber for this is that if we're going to have a highly ergonomic design, um it needs to be ergonomic for left or right handed people. Um, so you [speaker002:] Can I just jump in slightly there? [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] That would suggest the double curved design's probably going to be most appropriate, then. [speaker001:] Yes, absolutely. [speaker002:] [gap] okay. [speaker001:] Um, basi [vocalsound] basically what I [vocalsound] basically what the [vocalsound] what [gap] be having um, I would say, the the whole thing articulated at two points, so that if you if you're handing it from a lef uh left or right handed user you can adjust it so that the um the LC [vocalsound] the LCD and the uh [disfmarker] [vocalsound] The joystick would be in the right place. And [vocalsound] also this is [gap] a rather nicer de uh design gimmick that the [vocalsound] the um you know the whole thing you know [vocalsound] it should have sort of organic feel to it [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] that it should be, you know, soft to touch and can be moved around all nice. Um okay [speaker002:] Okay. Um, yeah. [speaker001:] on to [vocalsound] on to the next uh to the next slide. [speaker002:] Just to let you know we'll probably be quite tight for time as well, [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] because I think you've probably got a lot you'd like to say, I guess. [speaker001:] Yeah, 'kay basically um [vocalsound] [disfmarker] I can add pretty pictures to this. The um [disfmarker] Assuming the hand [vocalsound] the hand to be in about sort of this position, um [gap] hol uh holding the remote, the um the joystick unit should rest over the uh the joint of the f of the uh four finger so that it's directly accessible for the thumb. Um and it would need t there would need to be a [disfmarker] it would need to be articulated just below that so that it could be switched around for uh left or right handed users. So. You then have a grip section that can be more or less the same irrespective of handedness. You just have big [vocalsound] two big buttons that cover most of the area so it can [vocalsound] in the upper part, one for the four finger, one for the middle finger. Um, and that [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Is this the joystick? [speaker001:] Th [vocalsound] this part here is the joystick. This would be the actual grip. Probably where you'd want to have the battery as well. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker001:] That would be probably the bulkiest part. And you then have, at the uh at the bottom, the LCD, and this would need to be articulated as well. And basically I'd want this to rest here, right at the base of the wrist. So it would fit just nicely in the hand. And again, this part could be rotated, so it can [disfmarker] [vocalsound] So [vocalsound] so so that it can be adjusted to either left or right handed user. Um [disfmarker] So the t uh the top function button in basic mode would be the on off switch and menu mode would be the enter button. And then the bottom function buttons switches between between modes. Um now programming it [vocalsound] actually thi this is one thing I've found with um the replacement remote control. Programming them can be a right pain. So I thought th the simplest way around that would be to have um a cable to connect it to the computer some [vocalsound] some fair iv [gap] fairly fairly simple software on the computer just so that you [disfmarker] on your [gap] computer just so that you could um pr [vocalsound] program it at a rather [vocalsound] in a rather more comfortable interface. And you could download programs for it from uh for uh TVs from all sort of main manufacturers. Um though you [disfmarker] i it would be necessary to have uh have a m uh have a [vocalsound] ha have a mode for programming it without the computer, uh just in case there are there are still people left out there who don't have them yet. [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker001:] Um. But uh. Yeah. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] That's that's my idea. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Excellent, right. Um [vocalsound] uh. [speaker003:] Mm. 'Kay. [speaker002:] File open. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] We go. [speaker002:] Trend watching. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Okay. [vocalsound] So uh to gather my research, two basic methods. We compared uh whether people want the remote control to do a lot of stuff or they want it to look cool. And then we we research uh fashion trends in Europe, what's what's the new black, you know, [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker003:] as it goes. [vocalsound] Next slide please. Uh we found, in order of importance, people want the remote control to look cool more than they want it to to be cool. As in they want it to do a lot of good s they want it to look like it does a lot, and if it does do a lot that's a bonus, but they don't care so much, you know. [vocalsound] They want it to be [disfmarker] that's sounds a bit like a contradiction. Technology technical [disfmarker] technologically innovative. People want it to be that, but s still they care more about the way it looks than what it does. So like the interface is really important. [vocalsound] And easy to use, it it just so happens that uh from the second point to the third point is twice as important [disfmarker] I mean the second point is twice as important as the third point. People want it [disfmarker] I is it has to be cooler than easy to use, you know, if it has the newest features, even if it's difficult to use, [gap] prefer it to have the newest features. And if it's easy to use that's a bonus. [vocalsound] The fashion, now this is seems a bit odd to me, but fruit and veg is the new is the new black for furniture, for clothes, for shoes. How that relates to a remote control I don't know. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] But I I see [vocalsound] I come on to that in the next in the next slide. Spongy. I've als I've been saying everything's the new black. Well spongy's the new black as well. So we have the choice between rubber and plastic. If it's the type of rubber that you can squeeze, you know, it's spongy, then [disfmarker] can I skip the rest? [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that. The uh rubber material is the type of stress ball material, not just normal rubber. [speaker003:] Okay. Okay, [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Forgot to say that. [speaker003:] so kinda spongy material. So um so [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker003:] my personal opinion? [vocalsound] Um we want something fancy and techni technologically innovative, obviously. But what we what we need is something that looks like it's from the future that looks cool, that's that's different, you know, that's [disfmarker] everyone has a white remote control, black remote control, you need something cool. Like, titanium is cool but it's expensive. And maybe it's a bit of overkill for a remote control. Um now the fruit and veg options, either we we go in that direction or we stay totally away from it. Um [vocalsound] I mean the research did come up with fruit and veg, so maybe it is important for [disfmarker] it's the up to the interface guy. So if we stay away from it, s you know stay away from it, but if we're gonna go along with it then it doesn't necessarily have to be like an apple or something like that, or a kiwi fruit. It could be something like, I say potato peeler but I'm sure you guys have a have a much cooler idea than I do. So I think cool is the key. [vocalsound] Few questions about a spongy remote control. I've never seen one before. I've seen plastic remote controls. I think maybe they were [disfmarker] I don't know, back in the day when they first came up with remote controls, they had a reason for it being [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] sturdy, you know. For being strong and sturdy. So um if we want something strong and sturdy, I say stay with plastic or titanium, but if we go with spongy, we can stress that you can drop this as many times as you want, it doesn't matter, it's spongy material, it's not gonna break, you know. I just don't know how the LED and the lights are gonna fit into a spongy material because it's not gonna be completely squeezable. So how do things fit it? And if we are gonna use spongy, we can say it's long lasting, you know it's damage resistant and stuff like that, so. So just to summarise, people want stuff that's cool, that's that looks like it's cool, and if it is cool then that's a bonus [gap] doesn't have to be um people like fruit and veg. We can either go down that alley or stay totally away from it. People like spongy material. If we're gonna use spongy material we have to think of how practical it is, and how we can further promote that idea. And also, this was this year. So, things change all the time, every year you know they they always talk about this year, this is the new black. Well next year something else is gonna be the new black [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] and we're stuck with last year's fruit and veg type stuff. 'Kay. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker003:] That's me. [speaker002:] Well, um I would say that the most you could probably hope for is gaining a year's lead on most people anyway. You always have to bring out new designs, so if we can get next year then that's possibly a good place to start anyway. Um. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Seems like a a lot of the components could be off the shelf, so [disfmarker] I don't exactly what cost would be incurred. Um I can see your point about the number keypad, but I've [disfmarker] I would say that we can probably incorporate it into the menu system if you need to do traversal of a large number of channels. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] My feeling would be that even if at a later date this was to be taking control of um [gap] boxes as well um having the use of the LCD and the joystick would probably allow you to manipulate enough channel numbers for you to be [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah, actually [gap] if you've got a lot of channels, the number keypad can be quite annoying as well, becau [vocalsound] [gap] it's you know if you're trying to remember what uh, you know, what number's the discovery channel or whatever. It's just irritating. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] That's a good point. You can incorporate names into the menu. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] But if you h [vocalsound] but but but if you have a me but if you have a menu structure, then you can sub-group them. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker001:] So you [vocalsound] [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Even news, music. Like they do on uh sky digital kinda. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] So what it looks like to me is we'll use a large number of standard components, um, say something like um lithium ion battery, the kind that you find in most um small hand held devices now. Um [disfmarker] Looks like we [gap] going for a double curved design. Um I don't know what cost implications there are in that. Um, looks like we're pretty much decided on some kind of flexible rubber. Though I'd have to say [vocalsound] depending on how flexible it is, we might need to have some kind of inner frame. [speaker001:] Yeah, I I would say definitely, I mean [vocalsound] I mean I mean the the idea of having it sort of articulated i th there would be basically two points of articulation. W um one below and one above the m the uh the main sort of grip. [speaker002:] Do you think there's any way we could maybe remove the articulation? [speaker001:] So [disfmarker] [speaker002:] I can see why it looks appealing, but it could be a weak point in um the structure, do you think? That would be a worry of mine. [speaker001:] Mm [gap]. [speaker004:] If you're going with the fruit and veg thing, [vocalsound] looks like a banana. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] I d I don't thi I don't think that it would be a [vocalsound] a structural weakness, [speaker004:] F if you wanna design it that way. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [gap]. [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] I mean if you have a firm s sub-structure, you can then incorporate articulation into that. If you then have a sort of outer skin of mm flexible, spongy rubber then you have something that is you know very much you know organic, and I think would look rather co I mean [vocalsound] mi [vocalsound] rather cool. I mean my drawing there doesn't doesn't do it justice, [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] it makes it [vocalsound] makes it look more a little bit more like a vibrator than a than a uh than a remote control, but uh. [speaker002:] Yeah, we won't add that functionality. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Okay. Course not. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] However, one interesting point is, I don't know how serious you were there, but we [disfmarker] if we take some of the ideas [gap] why don't we make the damn thing yellow to incorporate the des the colour of the logo? [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Sure, yeah. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker002:] I dunno. It's an [disfmarker] certainly a different colour from your average um [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. Make it harder to lose, as well. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] That's true. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Sure. [speaker002:] Was there anything in your research [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] The noise for when you lose the banana, um f yeah, for when you lose the remote control, [vocalsound] it could be like a a monkey noise or something like that, rather than a standard beep beep. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Y you know, you lose the monkey [disfmarker] the banana, [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [gap] monkey [vocalsound]. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] y [vocalsound] you lose the banana, you press a button, and you hear like monkey screams or something like that to direct you towards the banana. [speaker001:] I th uh I mean if it [disfmarker] I think that's something that could perhaps be programmable, though maybe have monkey as default. Um. [speaker003:] S oh, I was gonna talk about the programmable remote control. Now I think it'd be cool if you had one remote control that could work with all TVs, you know you s you click a button and it finds the frequency that works with your particular television. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] But why you'd need to program it like as as a standard feature, I I don't know. [speaker001:] Well basi [vocalsound] basically the um for [vocalsound] f for uh [disfmarker] I mean e each manufacturer will have a partic [vocalsound] will have a particular command set that uh the TV responds to. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] It's not simply a matter of frequency. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] So um [vocalsound] usually what's done is you have this big booklet full of different possi [vocalsound] you'll have all of them sort of programmed in to the uh remote, and you'll have this little booklet of codes [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] you then find your um ma uh find your manufacturer and try the different codes that [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] come under that manufacturer's name 'til you find the right one. [speaker003:] That's because televisions, they don't give the remote control any type of feedback when you send it [gap]. [speaker001:] Yeah, that's right. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker001:] So that's that's quite annoying and we probably would still have to do that. But if we had um some sort of hook-up to your computer as an option, then if you've got a computer you can avoid that rather irritating thing. [speaker002:] An interesting point is that if the person doesn't have the computer, we can still make the process easier because instead of having to look up codes, maybe we can have it that one of the options they have is that they look up the name of the company on the LCD and then they maybe look up different names of um [vocalsound] different actual units that have been produced. [speaker001:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker002:] Or we have the remote control just go through them until it's like does this do the correct function, and such. [speaker003:] Is it is it actually a book of names to digits, or is it like a few pages? [speaker001:] Um booklet. [vocalsound] Some pages. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] I was just thinking, if we were to store this information, some type of mapping. This person probably need to use this feature like once, you know, when you first buy the remote control, or whenever they buy a new television, so once every s [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Doesn't have to be used very often that's right, yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah, [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] and it's [disfmarker] [speaker001:] But it's a but it's a nuisance. And it's a nuisance very close to the to um to actually purchasing it, [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker001:] so it's something that you're likely to be thinking about. [vocalsound] If you [disfmarker] if there's w i if there's one in the shop that's [vocalsound] that says it can avoid much of that nuisance, you might be favourably inclined towards it. Um mm. [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker002:] Okay, this [disfmarker] [gap] just to give us a rough idea of what we're meant to be doing for the next stage. [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker002:] I'm pretty sure that you got that anyway. This is the conceptual one. Um. I think we've come up [disfmarker] I think we've covered everything we need to here. Um I think we've decided on what, you know, decided on standard items for most of um rubber and such, so we're now looking at the detailed design and what we need to be doing for the next meeting. Um [disfmarker] So for example, um I'll just start at the top, you've got yourself and the Industrial Designer gonna be working quite closely at this stage 'cause it'll be hard not to, obviously. Um looking from [vocalsound] [disfmarker] prototyping of some des description using clay. Um I suppose you'll be told a lot more about that as uh [vocalsound] progress. Um [disfmarker] The user interface design, They're kind of [disfmarker] it looks they're [disfmarker] the idea I've pushed forward so far is maybe more of a physical one there, whereas [vocalsound] possibly be more interested in maybe how the LCD's going to incorporate, do you think? Or do you s perceive that most the design design decisions still need to be based on the physical layout? [speaker001:] Mm. Um well I I think other than ge getting a sort of more aesthetically pleasing form for it, um mo most of the sort of layout design decisions are [vocalsound] are made, I would say. Um but then again, the um the menu structure to to a considerable extent that's gonna vary according to the model of television, and also any customisations that the user might wish to incorporate. So um and one of the nice things about having an LCD and a menu structure is that there is that flexibility to it. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm, that's very true. [vocalsound] Um. Okay. Um got product evaluation as well. Um. [speaker003:] Yeah, you see I don't [disfmarker] some of these things kinda logically follow the others. How can [disfmarker] t product evaluation, doesn't that come after actually seen a product prototype. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] I I think we'd be [disfmarker] yeah, no, it'd be more a case of how do we envisage us performing the product evaluation once we have a model to test with. [speaker003:] Oh, that's the [disfmarker] okay, sure sure sure. [speaker002:] Um so it'd be a case of do you think that just bringing users in to have them test it out, uh maybe putting a certain number of products into the field in certain places [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] which I suppose is quite similar. Or just kind of hitting the streets and you know saying this is a new remote control, what do you think of the look of it? Um [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Okay, sure. At this stage we still have no no target audience or [disfmarker] [speaker002:] I think the target audience is pretty much anybody under the age of say maybe sixty or something ludicrous. [speaker003:] 'Kay. [speaker002:] Um [vocalsound] the reason I'm saying that is we're just looking at a a replacement remote control, something that's stylish, so maybe you're even just maybe you're narrowing down your target audience simply by saying [speaker003:] And it's stylish. [speaker002:] if they're buying it that often or they're maybe looking to replace something then, they've got a bit of free cash, so that puts them potentially in the younger age bracket. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Maybe even single, just for the reasons of um uh excess cash flow. [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker002:] Although of course I mean at twenty five Euros, I don't think we're looking at charging the earth for the uh device. [speaker003:] Yep. Okay. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Think that's well within the normal bracket. Um your idea of the USB would I think would largely depend on the cost. USB's definitely one of the cheapest interfaces out there, but it might push the cost of the overall unit up 'cause it would require not just the connection but the chip for communicating with the rest of the system. That one might have to be based on [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Programmable memory as well. [speaker004:] The USB for which? [speaker003:] For the remote control. [speaker002:] The the idea was that maybe it could connect up for um allowing a software interface on the PC for a larger programming [speaker004:] Oh right, okay. [speaker002:] due to the fact that we've gone for such a nice, easy minimal design, normally. [speaker003:] We've w definitely talking some type of [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Um. [speaker004:] But didn't they just say it's just for TV, or are we gonna [disfmarker] [speaker002:] It's just for TV, but for [speaker003:] Different. [speaker002:] programming it to use your TV, you might hook it up to the PC. [speaker004:] Okay, yeah. [speaker002:] I'm not sure, but I'm thinking maybe that the additional cost of the USB might be prohibitive. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker002:] We don't know unless [disfmarker] it would make sense to. [speaker003:] But you're gonna need some type of flash memory or something. [speaker001:] Yeah, I mean it's [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Well something that doesn't [disfmarker] you wouldn't have to redo the whole thing once the batteries are changed, you know, once you turn off the power. [speaker001:] Yeah. Yeah. The other thing I mean it I mean it would need to ha [vocalsound] it would need to have um some sort of on board memory anyway. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Um f [vocalsound] for one [vocalsound] for one thing because I do think that the menu system should be um uh I mean although you know, it's not going to be terribly complicated if it's just controlling one device, the menu system ought to be um o ought to be customisable and uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Different languages, uh different skins and stuff like that. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. W [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. How uh how uh how you want say the um the the menu structure for flicking through channels if you've got lots of channels. That sort of thing. [speaker003:] Sure. [vocalsound] I if it was customisable as in different languages and stuff, that does open [disfmarker] it is supposed to be international, right? So. [speaker002:] It would make sense to. I would say to. [speaker003:] It would make sense if you could [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Um and we'd better be careful about the time as well. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker002:] We've already had the five minute warning, so. Um. I would say yeah. International would make sense. Um you're gonna look at product evaluation. I'm I'd better start writing up a hell of a lot of crap. Um you're gonna look a bit more at the kind of the physical make up you say. Um looks like we're gonna need a maybe a kind of prototype in clay. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Uh we'll see how that goes. Um. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Are we going to be supplied with the clay is what I want to know. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] So um [speaker001:] Where is the clay? [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] do [disfmarker] I think we've got an idea of where we need to go for the next meeting, would you say? [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] [gap] they're going with the fashion thing, like the design, spongy rubber. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] The fruit and veg. This one. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah, I would s that would be my my feeling. [speaker004:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Mm. [vocalsound] I th I think I would largely want to actually steer clear of the whole sort of fruit and veg thing. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Bu [vocalsound] but um but the spongy idea I like. I like it a lot. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] We seem to have quite a general consensus that the idea of the the r rubber could be quite [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] I [gap] having it i having it sort of br bright yellow I think that's quite a good idea, though maybe we could have options for colours as well. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] [gap] and again this has the advantage of being harder to lose. [speaker003:] Sure. I mean we are trying to promote a remote control, but we wanna keep the company brand as well, [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker003:] so. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] So we always need to remember that somewhere we're meant to be getting the slogan on. Possibly I'm think I'm not sure but I'm seeing a little bit of space around maybe the joystick area which could be used. Um. [speaker001:] Mm. Yeah. I was [vocalsound] like like I said before I I think we should have the RR on the uh on the top function button. [speaker002:] Okay. And I think that says it all really. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] I think so too. [speaker002:] Right. See everybody in a half hour. [speaker003:] Sa

[speaker001:] [gap] Do you need to change anything on it? [speaker004:] Um [disfmarker] Mm, don't think so. [speaker001:] Because otherwise I will already open it. Okay. [speaker004:] Unless uh things have suddenly change again. [speaker001:] Is it much changes? [speaker004:] Uh don't know. Maybe uh you've got new information, [vocalsound] like uh last time. [speaker001:] Uh I didn't [disfmarker] No no. I do hot have [disfmarker] Only the same information. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker001:] Hello, Sebastian. [speaker003:] Hello hello Mister PM. [speaker001:] I believe uh Miss uh Tentel is with us as well, in the control room. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Well, that's where the thinking goes on. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Oh, it's that Roo again, always late. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Bongiorno. [speaker001:] Bongiorno. [speaker003:] I think you should punish him. You're the PM. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Hmm. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Punish. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] I see some interesting [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] okay. [speaker003:] Possibilities, yeah? [vocalsound] [speaker002:] You wish. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] People, welcome back. [speaker002:] Welcome. Uh [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] The third meeting. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Oop. [speaker001:] Um I have some points I would like to [disfmarker] uh some some issues I would like to point out. Um [vocalsound] first of all, um if you make minutes yourself as well, uh like Sebastian does, um could you put them on the shared folder? If you do not make minutes, no problem, but it's easy for me to see what you uh wrote down, [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] so I could [disfmarker] uh can uh um use that in the in the report. [vocalsound] Um the second thing, um [vocalsound] I was th uh s thinking to myself, I have this little remote control, and I'm talking to it, but I still need to point to the television, because it works with infrared. That's quite strange. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yes. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] So [disfmarker] [speaker001:] We'll come to that later, I g I think. Um [vocalsound] the agenda for now [disfmarker] uh uh are there any pre-discussion questions? [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] No. [speaker003:] Not at all. [speaker004:] No. [speaker001:] Okay. Um [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] we wi we will have your individual presentations, uh then the decision on the remote control concept, um and uh the closing. Forty minutes in total for this. So um [vocalsound] I think we we can immedis immediately start with the individual presentations, um the progress you've made. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker001:] Um I think it might be smart to look at uh Ruud's um information first, [speaker004:] 'Kay. [speaker001:] because I understood there are some uh significant changes in the market situation. [speaker004:] Hmm? [speaker002:] Alright. [speaker004:] Oh. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [gap]. [speaker003:] Just press the okay button, it works. [speaker004:] Yeah, [gap] [disfmarker] Okay. [speaker001:] Um yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. Yeah. My method? [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] How surprising. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Well, findings. Uh [disfmarker] Ease of use is important, but uh innovation is more important, and a fancy look and feel is uh even more important. And uh some fashion watchers have found out that the young target group likes fruit and vegetables in their uh clothes, shoes and furniture, [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] and that they want spongy material. Probably watch too much Sponge Bob. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Uh the older group uh still prefers dark colours. Simple shapes [gap] uh m material. But we [disfmarker] since we are concentrating on uh the younger group [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Uh w wait a sec wait a se [speaker003:] Oh wait uh wait up. [speaker001:] uh could you go to the previous slide? Um because I'm taking minutes [speaker004:] 'Kay. [speaker001:] Um were the important themes enclose. Yeah [gap] okay. The feel of [gap] to be spongy [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Uh so do you think um when fruit and vegetables are important for clothing and shoes that they are in remote controls also? [speaker004:] Well, uh one example given was this, so um I assume they just want something colourful. Not uh specifically uh an apple as a remote control or something. [speaker003:] Not something dull. Okay. [speaker002:] But they like dark colours, you said in the p [speaker004:] No, uh the younger group likes uh more colourful uh objects. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Okay. Well then I suggest that the corporate colours are grey and yellow. [speaker004:] But [disfmarker] [speaker002:] I had [vocalsound] [disfmarker] [speaker003:] But can you can you go back to that slide? The [disfmarker] uh [speaker004:] Which one? This? [speaker003:] just one slide back, no no no. Yes. Okay, and the feel of the material has to be spongy. [speaker004:] Yes. [speaker003:] Has it something to do with that uh natural feeling also, do you think? [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Uh well, it might. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] But personally I wouldn't like a sponge as a remote control. But [disfmarker] Maybe soft material or something. But not a real sponge. [speaker001:] Okay, so so, yeah, it might not be t uh it it shouldn't be too hard. It it [disfmarker] maybe it rubber or or [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah, exactly. [speaker001:] yeah. [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker004:] Yeah, and like uh the older group likes familiar materials, [speaker002:] Or we could make [disfmarker] oh. [speaker004:] but that doesn't mean we should use wood, So [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker004:] Well, this this is an example of what they would like. But since we're conten concentrating on uh the younger group, I think we should use soft materials and uh make it colourful or uh like cell phones, exch exchangeable covers. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] So we could provide both for the young and the old what they like. [speaker001:] Well, that's interesting. [speaker003:] It's quite interesting. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] You could make a few v very colourful ones, and uh a very traditional co cover. [speaker002:] Yeah, o o [speaker003:] Yes. [speaker002:] I'm thinking about uh the Bananarama telephone uh [vocalsound] telephone from uh Siemens. The yellow uh rubber telephone. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah, yeah. [speaker002:] It's the it's the rubber uh cover. [speaker001:] Yeah, it is, it is i yeah. [speaker002:] And it's uh colourful. It looks likes a banana. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] We have the fruit, we have the colours. [vocalsound] We have the simple design. [speaker001:] Do you know the phone? [speaker003:] I don't know the phone, but I can imagine it. [speaker001:] It's the Siemens uh C twenty five, [speaker002:] Um thirty five. [speaker001:] I believe it's it's the one the Post-bank uh gave away, [speaker003:] Oh, that one, yes. [speaker001:] the very [disfmarker] [speaker002:] And the b the light blue and [vocalsound] it's also in yellow. [speaker003:] Now I kn uh [disfmarker] oh, I know, I know. Yes, I I've seen it. I've seen it. [speaker001:] You kn you know, Ruud, as well? About th [speaker004:] I've seen it, but [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Okay. Okay. Um uh okay. Do you have [gap] [disfmarker] uh thit [disfmarker] that was [disfmarker] [speaker004:] 'Kay. Uh that's about it. [speaker001:] Okay. [vocalsound] Okay, so the the m uh important findings are uh innovation is more important than ease of use for the [disfmarker] our target group. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yes. [speaker001:] And um colouring is important and and uh soft materials. [speaker004:] Uh soft material. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] So [disfmarker] So ease of use is important, but technology is twice as important. And what was even more important? [speaker004:] Uh the fancy look and feel. [speaker003:] Okay. So that's the most important thing for our customers. [speaker004:] Yes. Apparently. [speaker001:] Okay, Roo, [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] could you do your presentation? [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. Well, I don't ha really have much to add, um because most of things we already said in uh the previous uh discussion. Um [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Okay, well it's good to to sum up uh the things we already thought about. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Uh the previous ideas were voice recognition and uh the round button for uh the p channel programming and uh volume. Well, a few interface I uh I found on the internet are are these. These are both with uh with voice recognition, but they're very advanced and very high-tech and [vocalsound] just um, well, a weird um shape. [speaker001:] Shape. [speaker002:] So I suggest [disfmarker] I couldn't uh [disfmarker] I had a small uh mock-up uh [vocalsound] sign on the [vocalsound] on [gap] paper. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] But it didn't work. My pen didn't load um the information. So I made a really simple [vocalsound] f uh a shape on uh [disfmarker] in um PowerPoint. But we could make uh a round uh an oval uh um remote control. Uh yellow. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. But it's it's kind of uh it's kind of o organic, so that's very good. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] And what I'm thinking about, maybe um we should make very light but um uh a grip um [disfmarker] I mean this is how you hold a remote control. [speaker003:] Yes. [speaker001:] Um it shouldn't be too uh glatt, too slippery, [speaker003:] Slippery. [speaker001:] s because um [disfmarker] [speaker002:] But if you have something like uh the Siemens phone, it's rubber. [speaker003:] You have to grab it. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] So it's easy in your hand [disfmarker] Uh indeed. [speaker001:] Yeah, exactly. Yeah. [speaker003:] Yes. There are there are also remote controls who have uh a little shape underneath where you can put your fingers in, [speaker001:] Yeah, ex for your fingers, yeah. [speaker003:] so you can get a really good grip on it. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] So you you don't have to um attain much pressure to it. It's it's a lot easier. [speaker001:] Yeah. It grips automatically. Yeah, [vocalsound] [speaker003:] So m Yes. But I'll I'll go into that deeper in my presentation. [speaker001:] okay. Okay, good. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Great. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Oh and um to add on um Ruud's information, in this um interface we can have uh high-tech with the voice recognition and uh, well, the the fancy colours and uh and so on, and still have the ease of use, because we have an easy interface. And all the other remote controls are high-tech in buttons and uh and so on. [speaker001:] Yeah. Way too much I think for our goal, [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] yeah. [speaker002:] So if you have the voice recognition, you can [vocalsound] you can programme like thirty uh um thirty c uh controls on it. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Okay, [speaker003:] Okay, [speaker001:] b but I think we'll [disfmarker] [speaker003:] but I'll I'll go into that, [speaker001:] yeah. [speaker003:] because there are are some possibilities and some impossibilities. Um I had a talk with uh our manufacturing uh division, and uh we had a talk about all the different components um who are in this design. Uh these are the things we've looked at. And of course I used the web to uh find my information. About the casing, we have three different casing possibilities. We have the uncurved or flat case. Uh that's the most common uh remote con control form uh we're used to is just a [disfmarker] it ju it's just a box. I'm sorry I I don't have any pictures of uh of this thing. [vocalsound] We have uh a curved one. It's uh curved in two dimensions. You have to imagine it's a bit like a wave form. So it's uh a little more advanced in its in its shape. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] Uh and we have an even more advanced uh shape, which is curved in three dimension. I c I think you can compare it a little bit with the uh big grey image uh you had in your presentation. The the big remote control, something like that. [speaker002:] Yeah. Right. [speaker003:] But it's quite uh advanced and it's it's quite daring to to use I think. Um for these casings we have uh different types of finishing. We can use plastic, which is uh very slippery and maybe not so nice, but you can give it any colour, uh which is the same for rubber, but it's not slippery. We can use wood and titanium. Well, um we cannot use the titanium on the double curve cases. And these latex cases, there's there's just the plastic ones uh won't allow the use of solar cells as an energy source [disfmarker] source. Which brings me to the different energy sources. [vocalsound] Um well, we even seem to have uh hand dyn dynamos for uh powering our uh [vocalsound] remote controls. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] You really have to imagine like [vocalsound] winding up your [disfmarker] uh [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Great. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Well, [speaker003:] I d [speaker001:] it would be very new to the market, [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] but [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] It would be very new, but it's a kind of a retro uh style, I think. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Uh [disfmarker] [vocalsound] Well, this is quite interesting. Uh there's there's also a kinetic energy supply. So um when you're watching TV uh or when you're [disfmarker] you you have to um make some kind of energy [disfmarker] kinetic energy by shaking the remote or throwing it against the wall, whatever you wish. [speaker002:] Like the watch. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] It have [disfmarker] it it has to move, that's the the sense of it. And you can store the energy in the in the thing. [speaker001:] I think um, if if I can hook on to that, um the kinetic thing is very funny. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. It's very funny indeed. [speaker001:] I mean solar is [disfmarker] of course it's nice, but it's, well, your uh your calculator has a solar panel. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. Indeed. [speaker001:] Um hand dynamo [disfmarker] [speaker002:] But if you're watching a movie, how many times uh you take the the remote control and and [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Well, maybe m [speaker002:] if uh if you have a watch, you have the kinetic uh idea in a watch also. [speaker001:] Yeah, I know. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. Yes. [speaker002:] You you walk and uh [disfmarker] but uh [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] But you know you know from your own watch [disfmarker] your watch uses uh a minimal con it consumes a minimal amount of energy. [speaker002:] you [disfmarker] you're sitting on a couch. [speaker003:] [gap] the the shaking of your body, which is almost uh every activity makes your uh body shake, uh it charges it. But uh the problem here is that it it supplies a a very little amount of kinetic energy. So I think uh you have a problem when you're watching a movie and uh you haven't moved the remote uh i remote control in a [disfmarker] in an amount of time, and you want t to switch uh the channel or something, [speaker001:] Yeah. And wha [speaker003:] well, m it might not work. So that's something you have to keep in mind. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] So, but maybe [vocalsound] maybe there's a possibility com to combine it with m uh traditional batteries, so we can save on the batteries and um when there's enough kinet kinetic energy, use the kinetic energy, [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] and otherwise use the batteries. [speaker001:] Okay, because I guess the voice recognition feature u consumes quite a f uh a lot of power. [speaker003:] Uh yes, it does. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] I'll come to that later. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] And we of course have the traditional uh solar power, which is just uh uh uh uh uh a piece of material on the remote control which transfers light energy into electricity. [vocalsound] The user interface controls, um of course we have the push-buttons and uh we also have scroll-wheels. And these scroll-wheels can also be integrated with buttons. So it's just like a mouse. You can scroll 'em, you can also push it. Um [vocalsound] uh in the indicators we have the LCD displays, which means uh you can watch uh in a display w which channel you have chosen or something like that of the li amount of volume which is uh currently [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] uh and we also have double scroll-buttons, which are just two of these things. So we don't really have the the kind of button we had in mind in our uh uh in our last meeting, the the thing with the the round with the four [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. Oh, we can just make four push-buttons in a form of a round. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yes. That is possible too. Yes. [speaker002:] [gap] [disfmarker] But I th I don't think uh the scroll-wheels [disfmarker] I had some [disfmarker] I had some information about it too. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] I don't think [vocalsound] there's any possibility for us to use scroll-wheels. [speaker001:] Well [disfmarker] [speaker002:] I d I can't see uh any uh scenario where you would use a scroll-wheel with a button on it. [speaker003:] Well, mayb uh well, m me neither. Maybe when you integrate some functions. [speaker001:] This will be the remote, [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] right? Um with uh maybe a channel selector. What about integrating a scroll-bar on this side? [speaker002:] Yeah, uh that's a possibility, [speaker003:] Uh it's do it's done before. [speaker002:] but [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Because this is how you keep it [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yes. It's quite quite good, yes. [speaker002:] But Flores, think about a scenario where y where you would use the scroll-button for [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Volume? [speaker003:] Well, it's it [disfmarker] well, i what he means is there's an [disfmarker] button integrated in the scroll-wheel. [speaker002:] A volume, okay. [speaker003:] There's no scenario where you use uh the button in the scroll-wheel. You just use the wheel. [speaker001:] Well, what about mute? [speaker003:] About mute. Well, [speaker001:] Thi i i m I guess uh th [speaker003:] yes. [speaker001:] this is my volume button. And I can either on this side or this side um [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Okay. Yes. Well, okay. Well, that that that's one possibility, okay. [speaker001:] And click it to muten the device. [speaker003:] Well, okay. It's quite goods. [speaker001:] And and it makes it different from the traditional uh devices on this market. So I'm looking for a way to uh make it a little different than the traditional ones. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. Yes. [speaker001:] So maybe um [disfmarker] I guess that [disfmarker] that's something you two uh need to think about. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Uh Ruud, wha what do you thing about uh a scroll-bar? Uh scroll-wheel. [speaker004:] Um [disfmarker] [vocalsound] Uh well, [speaker002:] Wheel. [speaker004:] it's obvious obviously new. So it might attract uh the young customers. [speaker003:] Hmm. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] But it's done before, uh there are many other devices um like uh telephones and our uh radio, pocket radios. We use this. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] And [disfmarker] Well, it's it's been done years ago and I don't see it anywhere now. So maybe it's not no [gap]. [speaker001:] Well, all the Sony telephones use it, for example, for volume. Nokia has a [disfmarker] well, okay, it's not really a scroll-wheel, but on their side th the the volume button is on the side, because you gri grab it like this. [speaker003:] Hmm. Yes, but it uses two separate buttons. [speaker001:] Yeah. I know, it's not really a scroll-wheel. No. Yeah. [speaker003:] It doesn't use a [disfmarker] [gap]. Well. Uh something for uh Roo here. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] For you too, yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah, I believe uh if you have uh what we've earlier said, um the grip uh places in in the remote control. You have your hand on one place on the remote control, so you have to place all the buttons in a range of your thumb. [speaker003:] Wi within reach. Yes, you have to. [speaker002:] So in that case uh the volume button on the side uh of the remote control would be perfect. [speaker003:] Yes. [gap] yes. Yeah, yeah. Okay. [speaker001:] Okay. Sebastian. Um [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Okay, um we have to know, if you want to use uh these rubber double-curved c uh case, um you must use these push uh push-buttons. There's no way you can integrate LCD displays. There's no way you can integrate scroll-wheels, because it's all curved. There's [disfmarker] there are no uh flat areas where you can incorporate these things. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] So that's a limitation. [vocalsound] About um the components, uh just the hardware. We basically have uh three types of chips we can use and uh these chips incorporate all the Logica and um um uh hardware that is needed to send uh to send a signal. Uh we have a simple, regular and advanced chip. And there is something like a sample sensor and sample speaker, which is a little cryptic uh to me. But I think that's the the voice recognition thing that we are uh thinking about. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah yeah, you can um [disfmarker] I have some information about it. Uh in the voice recognition you say a word [disfmarker] you can programme words like uh v uh volume up. Of mute, let's say mute. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. Okay. Okay. So [disfmarker] so [disfmarker] okay. [speaker002:] Um you programme it, you m mute and you g you give um an uh an action to it that that's really the mute function [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. Yeah. [speaker002:] and uh when you speak in the the remote control, it repeats uh your saying. So that's the sample sensor. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker002:] So if you say mute, it says mute again, [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] and then it's um [disfmarker] well, I believe it's uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] It performs the action. [speaker002:] Yeah, and then uh he he repeats its action what [disfmarker] which he believes it is. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker002:] So you say mute, [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] he repeats mute and you [disfmarker] makes a computer sound mute, and then goes to the mute function. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Okay. Okay, so that's basically the the voice recognition item we were searching for. Okay. This sample sensor uh requires an regular chip, I thought. Um no op I'm not very sure. No, it's not in here. If we want to use the LCD display, we really need the advanced version, which is a bit l little bit more costly. If we want to use the scroll-wheels we need the regular version. And if we don't want to use uh any of these uh more advanced functions we can keep with the simple uh chip, which is a bit cheaper. [speaker001:] Okay. Uh well [disfmarker] uh [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker001:] d did we already decide on the display? To [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Um no, but I think that's something for uh Roo here to think about. [speaker002:] Yeah. Well, I don't have um [disfmarker] I haven't looked for uh for information about it, but I don't think information [disfmarker] uh y I don't think you need it on a display. [speaker001:] No. [speaker002:] Especially when when we have to look at a cost, I don't think uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] I I don't think either. No. I don't think you need it. [speaker002:] 'cause uh [gap] uh all [disfmarker] any TV can uh can uh view a digit on uh on screen, [speaker001:] On screen display. [speaker002:] yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Okay. Okay, well [speaker001:] Okay th [speaker003:] my conclusion, um unfortunately the market has decided the [disfmarker] a little uh other than I thought. I thought um the market would like uh a sort m sort of titanium casing, but they seem to like natural uh stuff. So maybe we should think about uh wood finish. Um I've chosen the more battery with solar cell uh solution for the energy. It's more reliable, it's cheaper. [speaker001:] Okay. Good. [speaker003:] So I don't think we should use the dynamo thing. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Kineti okay. [speaker003:] The kinetic thing it [gap] it's it's a possibility. It's it's more advanced, but I'm [disfmarker] I think you should combine it with batteries. [speaker001:] Okay, it's maybe a bit too too flashy, [speaker003:] Otherwise it will not [disfmarker] too advanced, [speaker001:] too [disfmarker] [speaker003:] uh well. [speaker001:] yeah. [speaker003:] It's [disfmarker] in in in some way it can give us an advance, because you will save on your batteries. But [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah, but that [disfmarker] that's the same with the solar cell. That's no different. [speaker003:] Yes. And I think it's more robust. It's more uh Uh it's more functional. [speaker001:] Yeah. Okay. [speaker002:] But what about um the markets [vocalsound] uh wants colourfuls uh designs? So if you use titanium [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] No no, but the uh um [disfmarker] that's what Sebastian said. [speaker003:] The titanium thing uh we have to skip it. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] He said uh this is what uh this is my personal preference. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] But but yet, I understood that the market is different. [speaker002:] Oh, sorry. Yeah. [speaker001:] So um [disfmarker] [speaker003:] So I think we should skip the titanium uh stuff, [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] and we should uh use wood or something like that. [speaker004:] And [speaker002:] And I would think [disfmarker] [speaker004:] yeah, [speaker001:] No, [speaker004:] the [disfmarker] [speaker001:] r rubber with colours. [speaker004:] yeah, the older people liked wood. [speaker003:] Oh okay, sorry. So it it needs to be rubber. [speaker004:] No the [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Colourful [speaker004:] Yeah, the younger people liked soft material. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker001:] and [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Okay, spongy materials. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Okay, um well um these scroll-wheels, I think uh they they can be they can be handy. So [disfmarker] [speaker002:] And they can be implemented with a regular chip? [speaker003:] Yes, they can. But they really need the regular chip, you cannot use the sa simple [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Okay, but we also [disfmarker] uh we already need the regular chip for the sample uh sensor speaker [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Well, I'm not very sure. Maybe that's an uh [disfmarker] a different [disfmarker] [speaker002:] oh, [speaker001:] But but do we want the curved uh uh design, [speaker002:] evalu [speaker001:] or [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [gap] I think so, if you if you stick with the the simple uh straight-forward uh not curve design, i uh it's too dull. [speaker001:] I it's too dull. Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] I don't think c our customers will like it. And um if you uh take the double-curved, uh then you cannot [disfmarker] um you can only use the rubber buttons and you cannot use the scroll-wheels. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] So I think this is the best of two worlds. [speaker001:] Okay. Okay. Okay, what about um [vocalsound] the issue I um addressed at the beginning of the meeting? Um the voice function w with the infrared uh issue. [speaker003:] Yes. [speaker001:] Because it it's of cour [speaker003:] It's it's [disfmarker] uh I uh I can imagine it's very dull to talk to a device w if you have to point to another device. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] It's very unlogical. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] But most infrared uh remote controls don't have to be pointed at all. [speaker003:] Well the [speaker001:] Well [disfmarker] [speaker003:] there has to be some pointing at. But [disfmarker] [speaker001:] It depends also on your on your [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Well, if you if you take your hand before it, okay, it won't work, but you can point it just [vocalsound] to the other wall. [speaker001:] Well, it depends on your walls actually. If you have uh have um smooth walls, it it it probably [disfmarker] you're probably right. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] But if you have carpets on the wall, which our natural loving friends probably do have, then um [disfmarker] yeah, th th it might be a bit more of a issue. [speaker003:] All lights get absorbed, yeah. [vocalsound] Yes, because the walls they they reflect the infrared light. [speaker001:] So [disfmarker] Yeah. [speaker003:] So [vocalsound] it has an [disfmarker] it's easier. Um I suggest we use the the sensor sample. Uh the sample sensor and sample speaker. Um with a with a regular chip. [speaker002:] And the regular chip. [speaker003:] I think uh it gives us the advantage of [disfmarker] [speaker002:] And and the scroll uh scroll-wheels. [speaker003:] Yes, yes. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] I like the scroll wheels uh idea. [speaker003:] And uh skip [disfmarker] and skip the LCD part. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] I don't think it it's any uh value added thing. [speaker002:] No. Think so too. [speaker003:] So [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Well, it looks [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker001:] uh yeah, well um according to Ruud, the the the market likes um new flashy technology, [speaker003:] Technology. [speaker001:] and I mean LCD is [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yes. It's not very flashy and new. [speaker001:] well, ok I know, but it's m it's less um s standard [speaker004:] Standard? [speaker001:] than than [disfmarker] Well, we are not very w we do not know uh much about the the f the financial part. That's the problem. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Because if we do have enough um space in in our finance, I would say do integrate it, [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] because it it adds a little ext extra high-tech feeling to it. [speaker003:] Yes. [speaker002:] But we already have the scroll-wheels, the sp uh the speaker uh the speak recognition, the rubber, the fancy colours. [speaker001:] Mm yeah. [speaker003:] Uh I think our customers will go insane. [speaker001:] Okay, okay. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] It's it's too much. [speaker001:] Yeah. Okay, I I agree. I think i Ruud, do you have any um anything you would like to um add or or maybe thoughts or [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Nah, um n no, I don't think so. M [speaker001:] No? Sebast uh nee, Roo? [gap] Roo, do you have any other [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Um no. Nothing more. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Nothing more. Um [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Okay. Uh the n the next phase will be um the um [disfmarker] not the [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Sebas [speaker003:] what is the next phase [gap] f Flores? [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Well, we we [vocalsound] need to describe uh decisions now. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker001:] So um [speaker003:] So i [speaker001:] on the energy, well, we decided. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker001:] Chip. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker001:] The case uh rubber with uh c one one uh one curve. [speaker003:] Okay, okay. [speaker001:] User interface um [speaker002:] Uh but uh can't scroll-wheels uh work with one uh one-curved case? [speaker003:] Yes, they can work. [speaker002:] Yeah, okay. Sorry, [speaker003:] They cannot work with double-curved. [speaker002:] yeah. Oh, sorry. [speaker003:] That's that's problem. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] I'll check it for you. [speaker001:] Um then the corporate identity should be uh in the product. I guess that is something for Roo and Sebastian. Uh you talked about it before, the colours, grey and yellow. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Keep it in mind. And um the buttons, well we talked about it now. The next phase, um Sebastian, um is um the design of the look and feel. The user interface design. [speaker003:] Yes. Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] And for you, the product evaluation. Um I'm sure your personal coach will give you more information on that. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Um and uh the ID and the UID need to work together on the prototype drawing on the SMARTboard. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker001:] And I'm going uh to plan my holidays. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Okay. So you will be on the Bahamas. Uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] The project drawing is for the next [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah, it's it's uh [disfmarker] when we come back in thirty minutes, uh you will have a uh prototype ready. [speaker002:] Yeah, right. [speaker003:] Okay. So can you uh give us a summary of all uh decisions we've made? [speaker001:] Yeah? I can. Um maybe one of you could write it down. [speaker003:] I'll do. [speaker001:] Great. Um [disfmarker] Uh you you need to help me. Um [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Okay. W start with the casing. [speaker001:] The casing is curved, single-curved. [speaker002:] Single-curved. [speaker003:] Okay, single-curved case. Okay. What about the energy source? [speaker001:] Traditional batteries uh and solar. [speaker002:] But can there be uh wor can they work together? Or do we have to choose between them? 'Cause if we have to choose [disfmarker] [speaker001:] No, they can be complementary. [speaker003:] I I think they can. Yes. [speaker001:] Uh al al I uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] yeah? Okay. [speaker003:] Well, uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] What if not? [speaker001:] Every device [disfmarker] [speaker003:] It it should be. There should be really no problem. They can be supplementary. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker003:] That's no problem. [speaker001:] Yeah. Okay, um [speaker003:] So [disfmarker] So uh uh [speaker001:] th [speaker003:] just uh the energy source is um the batteries and the solar. [speaker001:] Battery and solar, yeah. [speaker003:] Okay. What about uh the finishing of the case? We have decided we wanted to use the rubber? [speaker001:] Yeah, with colourful rubber. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Uh if it's possible with uh different um covers, but I'm not sure if our suppliers can uh can help us with uh with such uh uh a wish. [speaker003:] Okay, and I think we should use the company colours. Something like black and red. [gap] uh black and yellow. [speaker001:] Uh grey and yellow or black and yellow. Yeah. [speaker002:] Grey and yellow. [speaker003:] Grey yellow, okay. [speaker002:] Yellow case and grey buttons, I think. [speaker001:] Yeah, although I don't think that's very colourful. Except for the yellow of course, [speaker004:] Hmm. [speaker001:] but um I could think of a more uh attractive uh c uh set of colours. [speaker003:] Oh, I think it's uh [disfmarker] it's not very dull. It's quite modern actually. Don't you think? [speaker001:] Well, I was more thinking about the fruit colours that the Ruud showed us before. [speaker002:] I believe the [disfmarker] But you have already um [disfmarker] you must have a red uh on and off button. And um [disfmarker] Well [disfmarker] well [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Well, it it doesn't have to be red. Uh I mean th uh I think these colours are really what our young people are looking for. Um so maybe it shouldn't even be two colours, it should be a full colour cover with such an image [speaker003:] Hmm. [speaker001:] or or [disfmarker] I mean thinking in two colours is is too black and white for our m uh c uh market group, I guess. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker004:] Or black and yellow. [speaker001:] Black and yellow, yeah. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Okay, [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] but uh I'm afraid it's not possible to print a picture on uh the device. Because uh I agree it would be nice to have have something like that on the device itself. But [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Well, there is. [vocalsound] Just a week ago, a keyboard manufacturer would print, [speaker003:] Oh, I've read. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yes. [speaker002:] with [gap] and uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yes, but our manufacturing department is not so advanced in its uh techniques. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] No. [speaker003:] They're actually very slow in its techniques. [speaker001:] Okay, [speaker003:] So [disfmarker] So I'm afraid it's not possible. [speaker001:] so we have to deal with wh what's possible here. Yeah. Okay. Um more f more more decisions we made. Um [disfmarker] Um [disfmarker] [speaker002:] A scroll-wheel. [speaker001:] The scroll-heel. Yes, the voice recognition we already decided. [speaker002:] Voice recognition, of course. [speaker003:] Okay, so scroll-wheel. But there will be some additional buttons, I guess. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] And th the [disfmarker] they should be spongy also, because they're they're rubber too. [speaker001:] Uh I'm going to leave that up to you two. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] What what did you say? [speaker003:] Well uh you can use [disfmarker] well, when you use the buttons, they'll they'll be made of rubber too. So it has th the spongy uh feel also. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah, or you could use plastic buttons. In the rubber. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] I think rubber is nice. Because it uh i I mean what do you touch the button, and what do they want spongy uh uh devices, [speaker002:] Yeah, b [speaker001:] or or i [speaker002:] But then you just have the the fact that um the drawings on the buttons will disappear eventually. [speaker001:] [gap]. [speaker002:] What I said in the in the first uh discussion, uh the digit six on the button, it will disappear when it's from rubber. [speaker001:] Uh is that [disfmarker] uh does our our supplier say so? [speaker002:] It is not uh something uh [disfmarker] it's no information I read about it or so, but it's just from [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Uh didn't [disfmarker] did we inc uh include the digi digits or uh leave them to the speech recognition? [speaker002:] No, but but uh it [disfmarker] [speaker004:] 'Cause things like uh volume could be uh placed next to the button. [speaker001:] Yeah. You could place a [disfmarker] um uh this this would be the button. [speaker004:] There [disfmarker] the icons. [speaker001:] The scroll-wheel, I mean. [speaker002:] Yeah, b yeah. [speaker001:] And you could place the indica th th the signals the [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yes. [speaker004:] So you don't touch the icons that much. [speaker003:] That's okay. [speaker002:] Yeah, that's possible, but then you have still the images on the rubber of the case. So still then, if you feel uh li uh if you feel your remote control, you just rub on the cover, so you rub on the painting. [speaker001:] No no, there's no painting, only uh yellow or [disfmarker] But it's into the rubber. [speaker002:] Yeah. Yeah, but but the the plus or the minus. [speaker003:] Yes, the signs. [speaker002:] You have to draw the [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah, but this is on the pla yeah, I know. Um I think uh I know which you understand af uh I know what you mean. [speaker002:] Yeah, it's on the cover. So if you uh [disfmarker] You just move the problem. [speaker001:] What about um making this rubber and making this plastic? [speaker003:] Uh I see what you mean. Well, maybe that's possible, because um uh our manufacturing division also offers plastic finishing. So maybe they can combine these two. [speaker001:] Yeah. Well actually, we should have it the other way around, I guess. A plastic cover with rubber finishing. I mean, this is this is the finishing. This is um what's on the edge. What you feel. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] But the front, on which the the buttons are doesn't have to be rubber. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] I mean [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Well, I'm I'm not so sure, I think it c should be [speaker002:] Y uh can you separate these uh these [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Well, I'm not sure, I have to ask with manufacturing, but I'm I'm not sure that's what you want, because our customers specifically ask for the spongy feel, and that's what you get with rubber. So if you want the spongy feel, you need uh to make these buttons all all of rubber. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] I know, but do you touch this or do you touch this? [speaker003:] [vocalsound] I think both. [speaker001:] I mean, I I never touch between the buttons. [speaker002:] I do. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] I do. [speaker002:] Or the s uh the sideways. [speaker003:] I think [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Or the the back. Or the back. [speaker001:] Yeah, the side, exactly, the sideways. The side, but do you touch between the the [disfmarker] these buttons? [speaker002:] I think [disfmarker] Yes, especially when there are l a few buttons on it, you have uh a lot of space to touch. So you just have it in your hand completely or or [disfmarker] i you play with it. [speaker001:] Okay. Well, we do not have very much time uh left. Um I guess you two have to figure that out. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] I'm going to leave the decision to you, um because you have to make its prototype, and um [disfmarker] yeah y you have the most knowledge about the suppliers, the possibilities and uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker001:] so I'm going to leave it [disfmarker] the decision with you. Um Sebastian, did you write enough decisions down? [speaker003:] Um not quite. Um what about uh the chips? We use the regular chip? [speaker002:] Regular. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] And [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Use with [gap]. [speaker003:] Well [disfmarker] no, I think that's about it. Yes. [speaker001:] Okay. With those regular chips we can still uh control advanced functions. The chip is is not really [disfmarker] [speaker003:] The only difference between the advanced and the regular version is that the advanced uh version of the chip supports LCD. That's all. [speaker001:] Okay, well. [speaker003:] And we've decided not to use LCD. [speaker001:] Yeah. Okay. [speaker003:] So [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Um okay, then I think we are uh quite finished. Um I'll see you guys in thirty minutes [speaker002:] [gap]. [speaker001:] and um [disfmarker] [speaker002:] For the finishing touch. [speaker001:] Yeah? Yeah, um [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker001:] if you write [disfmarker] wrote anything down, uh could you put it on the shared folder? [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker002:] Uh yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] But um Sebastian has everything. [speaker001:] I know, but [disfmarker] well [disfmarker] [speaker003:] I'll put it online. [speaker001:] Great. [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Right.

[speaker001:] All set? Okay. Cool. Right. So um basically I'm just gonna go over real quickly um some news I've just got from the board on how we're supposed to do with this um [vocalsound] remote control. And then I'm gonna turn over to you guys to make brief presentations um on what you've found and then we'll have a bit of discussion. So basically uh what I've just found out from the board I dunno if you guys got this email as well but it needs to be television only. So no [disfmarker] we're not doing DVD, [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker001:] we're not doing anything else, it's just gonna be a television remote. [vocalsound] Um it also needs to have the company colours included in it. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Um so that's red and black. And it has to have the slogan, case you guys forget the slogan it's, we put fashion in electronics. Um and no teletext. I'm not sure what teletext is but I'm assuming you guys do, so we don't wanna include that um in this particular design. [vocalsound] For reasons that I don't really know. There's [disfmarker] but it's the board so there you go. So basically um given those guidelines which will have some effect on how we design we'll discuss it later I mean 'cause it's television only we'll be able to change our uh [vocalsound] um well we can s sacrifice more function for a better television remote. [vocalsound] Anyway. So I'm gonna turn over to the Industrial Designer uh to go ahead and make a presentation on [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Okay. So do I unplug this bit here? [speaker004:] Gotta plug you in. [speaker001:] Oh, right yeah. Yep. Might have to hit function F eight but it looks like it's gonna come up. Yep. Cool. [speaker002:] Okay. Right. That's page one of my presentation. [speaker001:] Brilliant. [speaker004:] Very nice. For your first PowerPoint it's lovely. [speaker002:] So the uh method. We're gonna have to understand how remote controls work and res uh successfully complete this project. Um remote control works as follows. This is all pretty basic stuff you guys. Um sends message to another system, so there's an energy source involved in that like a battery or solar power, something along those lines, there's an integrated circuit, which is the microchip, um and that actually compose the messages and usually the way a a remote control works is it sends infrared bits to another system. A user interface controls the chip, basically that's the casing and the buttons and um accordingly the messages as well. So my findings, um I just did a preliminary study here and uh I found that too much metal in remote design could potentially cause interference with the ability of the remote to send commands. And too much metal can cause remotes to behave unexpectedly by receiving false signals. Um too much metal is used sometimes and people pick up radio signals and the like, and there's also the possibility of the remote catching on fire and injuring the customer, just think of those lawsuits, that'd be really bad. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] 'Kay. [speaker002:] Therefore I suggest primarily plastic construction. Um, components. Just some ideas that I had, um, energy source, it's kinda hip to be eco friendly so I thought maybe we could do something with solar power with an alkaline battery backup. Um the user interface, I was [disfmarker] since we can't use metal I was thinking maybe a high grade recycled plastic. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker002:] The chip, um, silicon based chip I don't really see any way around that, we can't really be different in that respect. Um, the sender well I'm thinking infrared 'cause it is the industry standard, multi channel, that's a word I made up, I don't really know what it means. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] 'Kay. Fair enough. [speaker002:] Uh PAL and NTSC compatible and uh probably a two hundred foot range. [speaker001:] 'Kay. [speaker002:] Uh and the receiver of course is any number of electronic devices. Um but in this case it'll only be TVs. Um personal preferences, I really think that we should use plastic as opposed to metal, um, the company simply can't afford this kinds of lawsuits [speaker004:] Fine. [speaker002:] which adm admittedly is gonna come at the cost of a certain aesthetic value, [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Is is there a way that we can use um modern types of polymers, or mo modern types of plastics [speaker002:] 'cause we were thinking [disfmarker] [speaker001:] that maybe do have some kind of aesthetic value um like if a white [disfmarker] like if we talk about like well like on the lapt on these laptops and other ones they use a a pretty nice, [speaker002:] Right. [speaker004:] It needs, yeah. [speaker001:] you can do i is there some kind of nice colo der quality plastic that we can work with? [speaker002:] Yeah that shouldn't be a problem. Um for example the plastic they have on your laptop there is something that's perfectly possible for us to do. [speaker001:] Okay, okay. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] That's the end of my presentation. [speaker004:] Cool. [speaker001:] Great. Thank you very much Nathan. [vocalsound] Um if next we can have the um User Interface Developer go ahead and make a brief presentation that'd be great as well. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] S plug yourself in here. Mm. [vocalsound] Um hit function F eight real quickly, hold down [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker004:] Looks like you're in okay. [speaker002:] Is it plugged in well? There it goes. Computer adjusting. [speaker003:] Th [speaker004:] There you go. [speaker001:] There you go. Sweet. [speaker003:] Well so. Here we have a uh my technical functions design presentation. Um so a few of the requirements we need here. Uh we n basically need to operate an electronic device, it needs to be universal um and possibly uh operate several different types of devices although we now uh find that uh that that's no problem. [speaker001:] Yeah sorry I couldn't get that g to use before. [speaker003:] Um so some of my findings. Um basically wanna send messages uh to a television set. Um that would be any number of different things uh such as switch on the television, uh switch to the next channel, that sort of thing, I think we're all quite uh quite uh intelligent and know know what a normal remote control does. Um [vocalsound] now some of the other things I found is a a complicated remote control sorry that we can't quite see my red there very well [speaker001:] Oh yeah look at that. [speaker002:] Mm. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] but uh this remote control has many functions um so it can do a lot of things but it uh it is quite complicated and most users will find it uh find that they won't use most of the functions [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] because they don't know how to use them and don't wanna take the time to learn how to do it. As you also notice it's quite a boring design. Um. Another remote control, slightly different, it's a simpler remote control uh many less buttons but uh has many fewer functions, um m much easier for the user to manipulate and use. Um it also has a bit of a cheap look and it's also quite boring. So my personal preferences. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Nice. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Revolutionise the idea of uh a remote control. Um so attain the functionality of a complicated device but use a simple formatted display uh for the user to to work with. And I was gonna add another uh slide here but I didn't quite have time there. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker003:] Um. Just incorporating some of the ideas that we had previously like uh having multiple face but it's uh [gap]. [speaker001:] Great. Thanks for that Ron. [speaker004:] Right. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] 'Kay [speaker004:] Does that mean I'm up? [speaker001:] yep that's you. [speaker004:] I think so. Okay. [speaker003:] I can plug you in. [speaker004:] Oh that would be perfect. Thank you. Slide show up and running. Or not. Uh. [speaker001:] Give it a little bit. [speaker004:] Oh there we go. Perfect. Okay. So this is me. Um basically I was looking through some marketing reports that we've got and we had a usability test where we were actually sort [disfmarker] like watching a hundred people [vocalsound] use TV remotes and see what it is that they're using and then they filled out a questionnaire about what they like and what they don't about their general TV remote control practices. Um pretty much through testing we were finding out that most of the time, everybody's used to using changing the channel, turning it on, using the volume, m the majority of the time that's all that's going on, the other functions happen, for some people they're important, but the primary uses are really really basic. Um and so big complicated remotes like one we saw in the last presentation are really not the general public's use, they're not using a lot of it, they don't need it, they even find it frustrating when there are all those buttons that they don't know what to do with. [vocalsound] And um we also found out that uh fifty percent of our people, their [disfmarker] the worst thing about a remote is how often they lose it. And then they can't find it in the room. So I think what we were talking about with a pager or something, will really come into play with a lot of these people. [vocalsound] Um there's also a survey about what they liked about remotes, [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] and pretty much they all think they're hideous and not very useful, and the younger demographics are all really interested in voice recognition options. I don't know if that's something we're ready to look into technically, that's up to the design people, but it is s something worth thinking about, especially since the younger demographic's obviously the one that's gonna keep growing, so if that's the direction we're headed in it's something to think about. Um but basically it really is the primary functions and getting it to look nice, which are the standards. [vocalsound] So it's a good start for us. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] That's great. Thank you Sarah. Right. So um [speaker004:] Need to unplug this? [speaker001:] yep I'll just uh switch that back here. [speaker004:] Need it back. [speaker001:] I'll finish up with just a bit of discussion plan on for the next phase. [speaker004:] There you go. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Right so I think we've covered most of these important questions through this um [vocalsound] through you guys's presentations um [vocalsound] we've got uh y the Industrial Designer suggests uh or pretty much emphatically suggested that we need to go with plastic. [vocalsound] Um Sarah, she's recommended that we go for simpler functions, so fewer functions um but we need to decide who are we selling this to, you s your stats suggested that seventy five percent of people under thirty five wanted, thought about voice control, [speaker004:] Oh right. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] um so do we wanna go for that, or do we want to go for an older demographic, and my thought is [vocalsound] um [vocalsound] we've got w if we're gonna go for a sleek look I mean we are putting the fashion in electronics [vocalsound] um. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] We're not catering to the pensioners of the world I don't think so. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yes. So maybe this [disfmarker] we should look into this younger demographic. Um. So [speaker004:] Right. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] uh we need to wonder ah h about how we make it better and smaller and faster um think we're constrained to plastics very well, we've got this idea, Ron was saying we need to think about uh revolutionising the way it's looking um, [speaker004:] Right. [speaker001:] which might be easier given that we're going for simpler function and that we're only going for a telly. [speaker004:] Uh. [speaker001:] Um so um. How [disfmarker] th this voice operation thing is [disfmarker] I think is a good idea um assuming that it's doable, um at least for the basic controls, maybe we can balance it that way, you know we can see. [speaker004:] Right. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] Okay you can't say record alias tonight at seven PM [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] but we might be able to say um [vocalsound] volume up. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Right. I think it would be possible to uh combine the locator device and the voice recognition technology. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Oh. That could work. I like that. [speaker002:] With a simple command like locate. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] And then it could start to beep [speaker004:] Something very basic. Right. [speaker002:] and [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Right. [speaker002:] therefore be found. [speaker003:] Sounds good. [speaker004:] Is that only gonna be within our two hundred foot range then? [speaker002:] Oh yeah I think that's very doable. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker001:] The difficulty wh would be in um I think like i you couldn't speak into the remote that you're trying to find. 'Kay you have something that picks up a voice from far away [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] It's a good point. [speaker001:] If it's hidden under the couch [disfmarker] but then again you have this wee [disfmarker] this wee thing you know that's just a little chip or whatever that has the page button, maybe that could be voice activated too. [speaker003:] A little sticky pad to stick on top of your uh television. [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker003:] And you just say something to [disfmarker] into that [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] and it [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] finds your [disfmarker] [speaker004:] K [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Or an isolated magnet or something like, or you know something that wouldn't interfere I don't know that'd be the technical thing [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] but [disfmarker] yeah I like that, I like that, the voice recognition for the paging system. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] The other thing is we might be able to handle the simplicity of a remote control and kind of put the more complicated things into a voice control. So it could be sold to both the younger market and the older market. [speaker004:] True. [speaker003:] And the younger market could use kind of the voi voice control method and the older market might might k [speaker004:] Making it just an option? [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker003:] exactly [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] and might consider the older market could use the simpler design with the traditional buttons and what not. [speaker004:] Right. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker002:] I was thinking uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Are we still thinking about this screen [disfmarker] sorry. [speaker002:] Oh go ahead. [speaker004:] Go ahead. The uh if we're gonna do this touch pad screen thing, it would be still, do we know if that's an option technically right now to that? [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] 'S definitely an option technically. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker003:] I've looked into uh costs of uh touch screen methods and what not, [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker003:] they seem to be uh you know almost as cheap as a button method at this point. [speaker004:] We're doing okay. 'Cause it seems like an interesting option [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] especially because then you could have like your primary screen just be these you know four or five basic functions, you can have [speaker001:] Mm. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] menu options or something to have all these other complicated voice recognition, settings, things [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] that you're not gonna use every day and that a lot of people aren't gonna use but it is an option there for this hi-tech market that sort of re is the sleek thing we're going for. [speaker002:] Gotta wonder though, if we're adding so much technology to this one remote, are we still gonna be able to meet out twelve pou our twelve fifty Euro you know goal for selling these things. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] True. Worth looking into. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] It seems like, we're not gonna be able to handle all these functions with just one microchip. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] The microchip is probably the most expensive part of the the whole mechanism. [speaker004:] True. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] So it's just something to consider. [speaker001:] Okay. Absolutely. Mm 'kay um well yeah I guess we'll cross that bridge um in a la slightly later stages of development um but yeah I know, that's perfectly viable question. Mm 'kay um so I'm seeing that we're gonna just basically focus on this young demographic group, aim it at them, but then in a sense that its bells and whistles are available for anybody who wants them but basically we'll make a sleek simple functioned um uh remote control. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Um I think this voice recognition thing is a we've got a market for it uh I don't think there's too many, [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker001:] we'd more or less be cornering the market on it as well, we don't have many um. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] I appear to have lost my microphone. Mm. [vocalsound] Right um we don't have many people [vocalsound] or there's not very many competitors out there that do that so cool. Um right. I guess we've c we've touched on most of this. The idea of a paging function, a touch screen, and face plates. Um. The thing with [disfmarker] I see [vocalsound] would there not be a [vocalsound] we'd have to maybe sacrifice the face plates for a touch screen? [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Um I'm not sure that's sincerely correct, I think if you kind of take the example of a mobile phone that uh trying to pass a portion of the device is not interchangeable whereas the surrounding portions are interchangeable. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] Mm. Just the casing. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] We could have the casing, the the face plates. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] Back to the uh the cost [disfmarker] the material. [vocalsound] We have to ask whether we're going to include a certain number of face plates with the package? That's something I w for [disfmarker] say we're including three or four face plates, it's gonna drive the cost up. [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker002:] And the other question is, if we do include them are we really in a position to evaluate that market? [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] We haven't done any tests on face plates and whether [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Right. [speaker002:] See if there [disfmarker] if there's even interest out there. [speaker001:] Okay. Okay. Right. [speaker002:] Off the top of my head it sounds kind of like a gimmick that wouldn't really go anywhere. [speaker001:] Yeah 'cause then ha you would have to [disfmarker] who all [speaker004:] Mm. Right. [speaker001:] it's not like with cell phones like where you have a [disfmarker] you know Nokia model X and then ten people make face plates for it, we'd be just our model of pho of t remote control. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Well in the publicity of a face plate on a phone is you have it out and around, it is sort of emblematic whereas you're just sit at home, [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] so unless somebody comes over to watch TV [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Mm. Mm-hmm. [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker003:] Well hopefully some people have people coming t over to w to hang out at your house [speaker004:] True. True. True. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] and most people have their televisions in the living room. Uh. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Alright well we can [disfmarker] we can discuss that one further when we think about um whether th when we do costs and so forth, um. [speaker004:] Yeah. Oh yeah. [speaker003:] Sure. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] True, if plastic is dead cheap and if we're making the whole thing out of plastic anyway um [vocalsound] yeah we'll cross that bridge later um but yeah we will have to evaluate what's most important. Um I think we've had a bit of discussion already on this thing, n s there any other questions comments that came up in these presentations? [speaker003:] Well have we confirmed that we're gonna go ahead with a uh touch screen um [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah yeah okay. Um [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Interface? [speaker001:] Yeah I think that would be best. Let's based on what sh on what you guys have all said to me let's go for a plastic built or uh b plastic cased 'cause tha tha that's easy on the cost, try to look for some kind of high quality recycled plastic as you recommended and I think that's a great idea. With a touch screen for the basic functions. [vocalsound] Um [disfmarker] And we'll yeah tha let's provisionally [disfmarker] let's go for a touch screen one with several submenus um for possible extra stuff that one basically put the channel and the on and off switch on the touch screen. Um do we have [disfmarker] Mm wait a minute it occurs to me that if we have a touch screen people are going to have to recharge their remote controls. [vocalsound] Yet at the same time that might help for this whole complaint of it being lost. [speaker004:] True. 'Cause it would have a docking base? [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. But then again that costs as well. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Hmm. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] So these new lithium batteries they last twenty years [vocalsound] even with the touch screen? [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Do they? [speaker003:] Those new ones. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] Can we afford that? [speaker002:] Can we afford to include one of those? [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] And will somebody buy it if we don't? [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Well I I don't think yeah I can't see anybody buying a lap a remote control that they have to plug in so we'd have to see some kind of new battery technology. [speaker004:] Right. [speaker001:] Okay so let's go with a um touch screen [vocalsound] with um some kind of [disfmarker] you know with with some kind of cutting edge battery technology [disfmarker] [speaker004:] For twelve Euros? [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah well hey you know well it's it's worth looking into, if not we can always default to just doing a a well presented plastic simple [speaker004:] It is. Fair enough. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] you know so [disfmarker] you know. Well yeah I mean [speaker004:] The basics. [speaker001:] you can put the [disfmarker] we could I I dunno I mean I suppose we could put the the basics on the centre easiest you know, you know people know the channel and volume function make them large and easy to get at and then the the other the other bits and bobs you know go through menu um w we'll do the aesthetics. [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker001:] Okay so we'll [gap] touch screen and the battery, [speaker004:] 'Kay. [speaker001:] focus on um [vocalsound] uh presentation. Um [vocalsound] it's th uh with this voice recognition option as well um just as for the simple functions the um the on off, channels, volume, um [speaker002:] Right. [speaker001:] and um a small paging function. Even if you can't do voice recognition for the paging you know just some kind of simple button that's just a I guess another infrared signal to the remote control and while [disfmarker] to emit some kind of paging. Just a beep. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] Um right so any comments? Thoughts before we break into [disfmarker] go into the next round of individual work on this. [speaker002:] Since we're doing uh touch screen, do we wanna look into the possibility of people being able to input different types of skins for the you know the actual interface part of it and things like that? Or is it just gonna be one touch screen for everybody. [speaker003:] Be interesting. [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker002:] What what would be on that touch screen? 'Cause you said earlier that we have to think about company colours and um [speaker004:] [vocalsound] And [gap] oh. [speaker002:] logo or something or motto, I can't remember exactly what you said. [speaker004:] Yeah the [vocalsound] the fashion [speaker003:] We put fashion into electronics. [speaker004:] do. Yeah. [speaker001:] W it's my understanding that if you were going to do a skin you'd need to have some way for people to download or import skins into the remote control. [speaker004:] Right, and then you're dealing with ports and cords and [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah I think perhaps [disfmarker] [speaker002:] 'S too much. [speaker001:] good idea [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] but yeah I think that that one m might just be um and they just [disfmarker] yeah I think that one might just be out of the range for this particular [disfmarker] [speaker004:] For now. [speaker001:] a PDA would [disfmarker] they would [disfmarker] makes a lot of sense for a PDA 'cause you're gonna be using it to connect up to things anyway but [disfmarker] I dunno, what do you guys think? [speaker002:] Think we just need to come up with a nice black and red interface on the touch screen. [speaker004:] Yeah. Nice. [speaker002:] That'd be okay. [speaker003:] Yeah. Uh I I'm I'm in agreement with that, I'm wondering how we're gonna get uh we put fashion into electronics onto this device. [speaker004:] Um. Well but if we're gonna use a touch screen where it's gonna come on like on your cell phone it'll have your your carrier provider name come up first like while it's loading [speaker001:] Hmm. [speaker004:] and then it goes away, perhaps it could be like a temporary [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker004:] Comes on every time you turn it on and then that's it 'cause it is a bit much to have it like engraved on the back or something I think. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Mm. True. [speaker001:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] I'm hoping for a subliminal maybe half a millisecond as it turns on. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Y [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah. Yeah I know I d it seems like it would suffice to have just the RR on there. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] Yeah you would think. [speaker001:] Jus [speaker004:] But. [speaker001:] But apparently not. [speaker004:] If it comes from above. [speaker002:] People aren't gonna want their remote to boot up and to see flashing things come on. [speaker001:] So. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] They just want it to be on and ready to go. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Well fair enough. Um and yeah that would help the battery life too and if it [disfmarker] the remote they do have to press a button for the remote to turn on. But then again who wants to turn on a remote control. [speaker003:] Well [speaker001:] Kind of if i [speaker003:] all you have to do is touch the screen and it automatically goes on. [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker001:] Oh to wake up okay [speaker003:] Yep. [speaker001:] or go into like a dormant mode. [speaker003:] Goes into a sleep mode. [speaker001:] Okay. [vocalsound] Oh yeah I like that I like the idea of um putting the logo in the boot up screen, nice. Um. Um cool so any last things before we break? Alright. Fair enough. [speaker004:] We're good? [speaker001:] Sounds good. I'm gonna save th a copy of this in case you guys need any reminders. I'm gonna save a copy of this and the minutes that I'll do it in a second and put them in the shared folder for later reference. [speaker003:] I've put my files in the shared folder as well. [speaker001:] Brilliant. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] That's fab guys. Cool.

[speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Right well. Welcome to the [disfmarker] what should be the last of these meetings and uh it looks like we've uh done a good job here and uh we'll just go through the the final uh the final details. Um okay, oh the um th the the minutes of the last meeting uh I think we'll take those as read, um [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Okay the um th the the next uh thing we we we'll have a look at the uh th have a look at the prototypes and uh look at the uh evaluation criteria and finance and then uh uh just tidy up with production and um and then we can close. Um So f if if you'd like to uh present your your proposals. [speaker002:] Uh okay we basically have the same kinda lay-out here it's just um you hold it like this and it gets kinda moulded to the to the shape of your hand, basically. Um on the left we've got the scroll for the volume, on the right we have buttons for the channels up and down and that kinda [disfmarker] so you can hold it and scroll, or you can hold it and and push. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Uh this is the power key, um it's kinda like the biggest so you know how to turn on. [speaker001:] Uh-huh. [speaker002:] Uh that's the little menu key. This is the infra-red section so you g it'll be sending rays and if you're you know pointing it like that it can send it, [speaker001:] Yep, [speaker002:] or if you hold it up like that it'll send it. [speaker001:] yeah, good, good. [speaker002:] Uh we got a microphone there which for all the voice commands so you can you know talk to it like that [speaker001:] Uh-huh. [speaker002:] and it'll still understand. [speaker001:] Yep, right. [speaker002:] Um the logo is down down there um [speaker001:] Uh-huh. [speaker003:] Mm. S [speaker002:] and [gap] has the cover on it and you can see like it just kinda goes [disfmarker] the red bit's the cover and it kinda goes over everything [speaker001:] Yep, [speaker002:] and then there's holes for the buttons to come through. Um. [speaker001:] yep, mm-hmm. [speaker003:] And so we figured it would be kind of you know a light weight plastic, just kind of a light [vocalsound] non-descript grey [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] Uh-huh. Yep yep. [speaker003:] so that people'll wanna buy the covers [speaker001:] Yep. [speaker003:] and then the covers will be that sort of rubbery material like they make iPod covers, so they kinda just stretch over. [speaker001:] [gap] showing me age, [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] I don't know what i c iPod covers are like. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah, well I I didn't know that [speaker001:] Yeah [gap] yeah. [speaker003:] but yeah they're kind of [disfmarker] it's just kind of a rubbery [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Uh-huh. [speaker003:] and that way [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] you know spongy like is something that people wanted [speaker001:] Okay, yep, right. [speaker003:] and it just sort of stretches over and that way I think probably helps protect it a little bit too as well [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. But it's also e e easier to put on versus like mobile covers [speaker003:] and [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] you actually have to screw them on and stuff and you kinda sometimes have to get someone to do that for you. This is very much you should be able to stretch it over yourself [speaker001:] Yep. [speaker003:] just kinda stretch it over [speaker002:] and it'll be fine. [speaker001:] Okay, [speaker003:] and it'll just stay on [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] good yeah. [speaker003:] and then the buttons come through [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] and so [disfmarker] and then the [disfmarker] each one of 'em on the very end will have the logo with the yellow circle and the RR. [speaker001:] Yep, right. [speaker002:] Li that'll be [gap] the covers as well, yeah yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah, yeah. I mean tha it's it's a detailed point, I just wondered [disfmarker] I mean h how will people put these down I wonder? [speaker003:] Like that. [speaker001:] Right. Okay [gap] for some strange re reason I had it in my mind that they'd put them down vertically [speaker002:] Yeah it could stand, yeah. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Oh. [speaker001:] but uh uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Well we could broaden the [disfmarker] broaden it out a bit so it would stand like that. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yeah, uh no because [gap] particularly if they've dif if they're gonna have it as a you know as a fashion item [speaker002:] Yeah, [gap] standing. [speaker001:] uh I mean it it's uh it it's just I mean it's just a minor detailed point, but um as you say you can just make the base a little bit bigger [speaker002:] Yeah, [speaker001:] and uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] we could just widen it out uh [speaker001:] Yeah and uh it just needs another uh another logo somewhere is is is is all it gives gives people the option [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] and if if say if they've got them um [gap] [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] because [gap] actually have several [gap] upon the uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Could have one for your stereo, one for your [gap] DV player. [speaker002:] Mm, yeah, yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah, well. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Have to [disfmarker] if we just lengthen it I guess [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yeah [speaker003:] Yeah, [speaker002:] so it comes down to the base of the hand [speaker003:] just kind of [disfmarker] [speaker001:] but that that's uh [disfmarker] but uh [speaker002:] and then flatten it out and could sit there. [speaker001:] no the the the overall uh the overall concept is uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Or just make it little. [speaker002:] Yeah, [vocalsound] mm. [speaker003:] Somewhere like that [speaker002:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker001:] yeah yeah, no no, I mean that's [disfmarker] these uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] so it just sort of [disfmarker] [speaker002:] We might [gap] have to lengthen it [speaker004:] Yeah I kinda had a a kinda [disfmarker] a natural kind of a idea [speaker002:] so it kinda [disfmarker] your hand still holds it and have it there, [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] where it's like more of a kind of [disfmarker] like a kinda maybe slightly like thinner, [speaker002:] yeah, yeah, yeah like that, like that [gap]. Yeah. [speaker003:] Bu [speaker004:] yeah, kinda like that [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] kinda [gap] like a flower or a plant [speaker001:] But uh yeah [disfmarker] but no th but the [disfmarker] yeah the the the [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker004:] for the more natural kinda [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [gap]. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] The final product would actually stand up, yeah [vocalsound]. [speaker001:] Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean it it's uh [disfmarker] wouldn't [speaker003:] [gap] fall over. [speaker001:] wouldn't do that, indeed yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] But th th but th yeah th b the these were all minor minor uh minor details, [speaker002:] Yeah, yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] I think the uh the basic concept i i is is absolutely bang on [speaker003:] [gap]. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] 'S a little longer. [speaker002:] Wee [vocalsound] [disfmarker] [speaker001:] and the [disfmarker] i it certainly meets our criteria of being uh [disfmarker] of you know looking different. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Um, so good that's that that's excellent. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Um right let us um What's on the next one? Oh right yes, let's have a look at the um f finance. Um, now we're given a a clear design brief, uh if I [gap] get the uh spreadsheet up. Oh. [speaker004:] Uh yeah, [vocalsound] just click there. [speaker001:] [gap]. [speaker004:] Uh the the maximise button. [speaker001:] Oh right. Ah. Good, this is why we need to make these things simple [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] so that the uh the the the boss can understand. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Now I've um [vocalsound] this is the company's uh uh costing for for various uh uh aspects of design and I I I've treated some of these slightly uh liberally given the constraints placed on us, um I wouldn't know for in for instance if if they require us to have it in the corporate colours, then that is not a special colour, that's a that's a standard colour. Uh, so we're just simply on batteries, the the one th the one decision I've had to make is that um we're [vocalsound] we will have to find a s a regular standard chip to to do this with and I I um I'm I'm I'm certain that they they are around so, um that I don't think is a a serious problem. The uh the the voice sensor is is expensive but we we made a a basic decision that that was absolutely fundamental to the to the design so that that has to stay. Um then again the the the the shape of the case means that it's it's expensive to uh um l to make 'cause of the the th the double curves but on the other hand because of our overall fashion concept um we we should exceed the the sales targets. Um it's simply made of plastic so th that's uh that's no problem and uh um just because the whole [gap] the colour of the the whole thing that's uh uh there's some cost there. Um and uh we haven't actually got a scroll wheel we we we got push buttons and and a simple uh um [vocalsound] slider so um and the and the the buttons are uh uh well I do don't know that they're special colour. Anyway the the costings uh come in at [disfmarker] exactly on target at twelve point five uh but I thi I think we have a a very strong case to argue that uh what what we've got is is so in innovative and uh and different that um [vocalsound] any any slight compromise we have to make on on cost is is offset by the uh you know the uh you know the the the the concept of it being a a fashion accessory and and having the the interchangeable covers [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] so uh um you know the [disfmarker] if if if the management expect us to be techno [gap] again [gap] fail again [disfmarker] technologically innovative um that they they have to accept that we we can't operate absolutely within uh the constraints that they give, [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] so uh we we we present this as the uh the company's uh the the company's way forward and uh uh I I think we can argue that we we have uh come in on on budget. Um. Okay, uh. So um. Does anybody want to uh [disfmarker] uh Andrew do you want [disfmarker] what do you want to say about um the uh yeah the evaluation [speaker004:] Evaluation. [speaker001:] where where you know well where where we're where where we're at? [speaker004:] The [vocalsound] the product or the project? [vocalsound] [speaker001:] The the the well the [disfmarker] I meant the product. [speaker004:] Um, well well my presentation just now? [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Sure, uh can I get the [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Oh sorry yeah um, mm. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Cheers. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Mm. More loud clicks in the microphone. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] There we go, oh. Method of evaluation [vocalsound] testing the product was to just [gap] if it met all the criteria [disfmarker] all the conditions that we set out to set out to solve, from the point of view of the the consumer and the management. So what I've been asked to do is, on the whiteboard [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] um gauge our team response to these questions. So, on a scale of one to seven, one being true and seven being being false. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Seven being a nice round number to work to. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah. And then at the end just take an average [speaker001:] Tr On for true and seven for flase. [speaker004:] Yes [vocalsound]. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yes. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] So uh. [vocalsound] So, look at these questions. Is the device f flashy and fashionable? [speaker001:] Well I think most definitely. [speaker002:] Yeah [speaker003:] I think it is yeah. [speaker002:] I'd say definitely a one yeah. [speaker004:] So uh [disfmarker] and also uh technologically innovative? [speaker001:] Yes [speaker002:] Yeah, defi yeah, yeah [speaker001:] the voice technology indeed. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Easy to use? [speaker001:] I don't see we could've made it any easier. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Uh suitable for the consumer? That was um [vocalsound] [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Totally. [speaker002:] Yeah definitely. [speaker003:] Yeah I think it made [disfmarker] we met all of the consumer [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] wants. [speaker004:] Uh is it complicated? [speaker001:] No. [speaker003:] No. [speaker004:] Doing pretty well so far aren't we? [vocalsound] Uh functional? [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah definitely. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Um. [vocalsound] Where are we? [speaker001:] [gap] found easily. [speaker004:] We've b built in the the speech, where are you, function. [speaker001:] [gap] yeah I mean that's that's [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, mm-hmm. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Uh-huh. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Does it take long to learn to use? Shouldn't. [speaker002:] No, not at all. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. And uh, what else? [vocalsound] The RSI compares to the current standards, [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Less buttons [speaker004:] well. [speaker002:] Uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] so it must be. [speaker004:] We we uh yeah it was our [disfmarker] it was a [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah [speaker004:] we made an actual effort to [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [gap] it is sorta the the handle more ergonomically correct as well. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] [gap] yeah. [speaker001:] So yeah, um um. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Um will device appeal to all age groups? [speaker001:] I think it will [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] because I mean uh old older people who can't manage the buttons anyway will actually probably like the like like the voice bit so [disfmarker] [speaker003:] I think so. [speaker004:] Yeah, uh that's a good call, [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker004:] yeah. Well we had the we had the data [gap] saying that old people will be less likely to pay extra money but the funct the increased functionality, [vocalsound] the e ease of use of the device might make up for that. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] And it's it's it's [disfmarker] [vocalsound] well I don't think we're actually charging a particular premium anyway, in the end, so [disfmarker] [speaker002:] I I I think it will tend to appeal more to younger aged groups [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] just 'cause we have gone with the fashion focus [speaker001:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker002:] and the younger people tend to [disfmarker] would be more conscious of that aspect of it, but um I think it should still appeal on a certain level to everybody, yeah. [speaker001:] It will appeal f for dif for different reasons [speaker003:] Yeah [speaker002:] Yeah, yeah. [speaker003:] I think just the simplicity of it [speaker001:] but it's it's uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah, yeah. [speaker001:] yeah yeah [speaker003:] and [speaker001:] so I I [disfmarker] yeah I [disfmarker] [speaker003:] not having to learn to programme and not having you know a million buttons. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah, so I think we can reasonably say it's another another one, [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] why not? [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Uh can you just click the my mouse to move onto next page? Uh, yeah and what h did we make the management's [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [gap] in in in in my interpretation of management's instructions uh is that yes it it meets the requirement [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] is t it's television only, [speaker002:] Yep. [speaker001:] it's it's simple to use, [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] um it's it's it's within budget, [speaker003:] Under the cost. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. Yep. [speaker001:] um I [disfmarker] it's uh [disfmarker] yes an an any minor points we we we argue. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Um. [speaker001:] So uh I I think we've done an amazing job [speaker002:] Yep. [speaker001:] in uh [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Well done us [vocalsound]. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] coming up with what [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] So uh one two three four five six seven eight nine ten eleven. Eleven divided by [vocalsound] eleven's one so [vocalsound] equals average of one. [speaker003:] Yeah, [vocalsound]. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [gap] Need a need a calculator for that. [speaker004:] And that roughly concludes my evaluation of the of the product. [speaker002:] Excellent. [speaker001:] Okay, [gap] nick the cable back then. [speaker003:] I mixed up the colours a little bit. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Oh no that's [gap] [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] I think I [gap] all wrong. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Ooh. Right do um either of you want to uh say anything? [speaker002:] Uh. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker001:] Before I uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Ps I don't think so, I mean [speaker001:] No. [speaker003:] I think we worked well together [speaker002:] [gap]. [speaker003:] and looked really at what the consumers wanted and what we were trying to make [speaker001:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker003:] and you know, seemed to discuss things pretty well and come to group consensus [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] and [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Well that's right, I mean th this this slide here I mean the satisfaction with uh room for creativity, [speaker002:] Mm. Yeah, definitely. [speaker001:] I mean I think we've allowed ourselves uh as much creativity as the uh the the the product uh allows. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Um I won't comment on leadership, uh teamwork I think we've uh [disfmarker] I think everybody's uh worked pretty well together. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Um we've just about coped with the whiteboard and digital pens, uh I think the results speak for itself [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] and new ideas found, um, again gi no given relatively everyday product, I think we've v very uh very effectively come up with a a new uh [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yep. [speaker001:] uh a new approach. Um are the costs within budget? Yes. Is the project evaluated? We're we're all happy that it it meets all the criteria, um [speaker002:] Yep. [speaker001:] Thank you very much indeed, [speaker002:] Cool, thank you [vocalsound], [speaker001:] I think that [disfmarker] I think that's uh [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Alright. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] I think we can go f for an early bath. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] So I call the meeting closed. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker001:] Not sure how far ahead of schedule we were there.

[speaker002:] That's the same as uh on the top of it uh with the the round uh button. [speaker003:] Like this one. [speaker002:] But uh we don't uh we don't uh [disfmarker] we do think it's um well [disfmarker] what if with ease of use, w which prefers the [disfmarker] which the the customer of the user prefers. [speaker003:] It's important. Uh I think th this is device which which has a learning curve. Um novice users u use this device as uh normal users use uh a c a remote control. And after a while they start to develop uh some skills in the the voice recognition functions, and then they will not use this dial as often. But other users who are new to this device need something like that. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] They n they need to understand what [disfmarker] uh how to change channels and uh change the volume, so it's easier for them [speaker001:] Could could I see the scroll bar as uh as as a sort of shortcut? [speaker003:] Yeah, maybe so. Yes, [speaker001:] A a and the voice recognition as well, [speaker003:] it's [disfmarker] [speaker001:] th maybe you could uh could uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Well, it's it's it's another approach, it's more that our um [gap]. [vocalsound] There are there are many ways of doing uh things uh on such a device. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker003:] It's it's quite easy. [speaker001:] Okay. Okay, good. And and the case is is rubber? [speaker003:] Yes, rubber? [speaker001:] And the buttons? [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Plastic or rubber. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] There are plastic or rubber. [speaker002:] Well, yeah. [speaker001:] Okay, and uh the colouring? [speaker003:] Uh yellow with uh [speaker001:] [gap] with with grey or black. [speaker003:] grey or black or something like that. Whatever cost uh cost uh the least. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Okay, [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] we'll we'll come to that later. Um [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] okay. Anything else to add or [disfmarker] [speaker003:] No. [vocalsound] Uh maybe we should uh think about these buttons. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Well, you could use two of them to programme the um channels on the two channel button, [speaker003:] [vocalsound] But [disfmarker] [speaker004:] 'cause you have to assign two channel [disfmarker] new channels. [speaker003:] Yes, but it [disfmarker] but these are tasks that are only executed once, I think. [speaker001:] M uh [speaker003:] Or not? [speaker001:] yeah. M m but maybe you do want a programme button to uh for example activate the voice recognition, or train the voice voice recognition. [speaker004:] You [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Well okay. Okay, yeah, that's right. Or something li like that. [speaker002:] And a button for disabling the voice recognition. [speaker001:] Yeah al although by pressing the button for I n don't know two, three seconds, you could also say it [disfmarker] you'd disable it with a little beep and and [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yes. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] but o okay, that that's not really really important. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] That's the basic idea, yeah. Of our prototype. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] The basic [disfmarker] okay. Okay. Um you thought of some evaluation crit criteria? [speaker004:] Yes. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] Uh my name is not name but [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] You are nameless. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Uh well, I used the [gap] [disfmarker] the uh [gap] documents. And these uh were the most important criteria. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Is it spongy? [vocalsound] [speaker004:] It should be. [gap] [disfmarker] [vocalsound] yeah, [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] that's uh how the fashion guys uh state it. Fancy look and feel. So [disfmarker] [speaker002:] So just walk through it step by step. I mean, is it fancy, everything [disfmarker] I believe uh [speaker004:] Uh well [speaker002:] I believe it's fancy. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] appar [speaker003:] I believe it's fancy too. [speaker004:] Yeah, but apparently uh we shouldn't evaluate yet. [speaker001:] No. [speaker002:] Oh, [speaker004:] So [disfmarker] [speaker002:] sorry. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker001:] Okay, so this [disfmarker] these are the cr uh the criteria. [speaker004:] Yeah, I think these are the most important criteria. [speaker001:] Okay, well [disfmarker] [speaker004:] So uh that's about it. [speaker001:] the then we'll switch to my presentation. Um [disfmarker] The production costs. The costs are not under [disfmarker] Can I [disfmarker] [vocalsound] Um this is the [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Twenty two. [speaker001:] Yeah, it's it's w way above um uh above the the the twelve Euro fifty. [speaker002:] Yikes. [speaker001:] And what makes it very expensive is uh for example the solar cell. [speaker003:] Well it's very expensive. [speaker001:] So I guess we should skip that, because it's not that important. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker002:] Why does the price and and the s oh, one uh exa [speaker001:] Yeah, the the price, the the number of items and the the sum. [speaker002:] yeah. The number of uh [disfmarker] yeah. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker001:] Um well, this is what I would call our luxury model. Um [speaker002:] And and does it [disfmarker] [speaker001:] if you would [disfmarker] if you look at the uh w w w what we could do to make it more um [vocalsound] to make it [vocalsound] just between the twelve Euro fifty, um then I did the following changes. Twelve Euro forty cents I came up with by leaving out the solar cells, [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] um by not using the voice recognition feature, [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] because it's uh it's a four Euro uh addition to the price. Um [disfmarker] Yeah, I believe [disfmarker] Uh, push-button, well [disfmarker] [vocalsound] It makes it the thirteen [disfmarker] yeah. Push-buttons are [disfmarker] buttons are are not the most expensive, but do add extra cost. [speaker003:] Hmm. [speaker001:] So um [disfmarker] yeah, th this design is not um within our price model. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker001:] Um [disfmarker] [speaker003:] But I'm afraid it's not complete. Because we use spec uh specic uh special materials, the last item. And you have not added one item there. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] So it's c way too expensive. [speaker001:] It's still too expensive, yeah. Um [disfmarker] [speaker002:] But that's that's only for the buttons. So the button we can use plastic. [speaker001:] I I guess if we leave the [disfmarker] if we leave this one out, um [disfmarker] oh. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] And uh maybe not use the special form. [speaker002:] And the pla uh [disfmarker] And a plastic b just plastic buttons, a plas uh instead of rubber. [speaker003:] But it [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] It becomes a very dull remote control, I know. [speaker003:] Yes. [speaker001:] But it's the board decision. Um [disfmarker] And um [disfmarker] yeah. [speaker003:] Well, b basically it [vocalsound] [disfmarker] when when this is our only option, we should even consider changing the casing, because I think there's very little added value in uh an enhanced case with these dull functions. [speaker001:] Yeah. Yeah, I know. [speaker003:] So [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Maybe we should look at an [disfmarker] uh focus on another uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Type of m maybe another market segment. [speaker001:] Yeah, m uh maybe not not all that fancy, but just way way more easy uh uh um basic [speaker003:] Yeah. Yes. [speaker001:] and uh m maximise the profits and um [disfmarker] [speaker003:] That's [disfmarker] maybe that's better. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Maybe we could uh [disfmarker] we should go for straight and simple, [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] but that's not what uh has been asked. [speaker001:] I know, I know. [speaker003:] So we should kick the board's uh [vocalsound] [disfmarker] Well [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yeah. Although I think we [disfmarker] yeah, but we could still make uh a remote control that ap uh um applies um more to young people uh by giving it another colour already. [speaker003:] Hmm. [speaker001:] Um so it is possible to make uh uh a device that attracts a little bit more to young people. [speaker003:] Yes. [speaker001:] Um but uh I agree it's it's not a fancy high-tech uh device. Definitely not, no. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] It's not that innovative. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Or however you s pronounce that. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Um so, okay. [vocalsound] Um [disfmarker] Oh, [speaker002:] Yeah, too bad. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] this is the wrong one. So uh that means redesign. [vocalsound] We do not have the time o uh now to to redesign the product. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Um [vocalsound] but we can evaluate the process and um uh uh the satisfaction on how things went. Um I'm not sure if we need to evaluate uh the device first. I guess [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Um well, since we're not gonna manufacture it anyway [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah, that's true. [speaker003:] Well, maybe it's good to do it anyway, because if we evaluate it, we we can also determine if our objectives are good. [speaker001:] We l we can learn. Yeah. Yeah. I agree. [speaker003:] So [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Well [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Is it fancy? [vocalsound] [speaker001:] I d it is it is [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yay. Is it? Is it fancy? [speaker001:] Yeah, I think so. [speaker002:] Um the yellow rubber, I think so. [speaker003:] I think so. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] You like the rubber, uh Roo. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] I'm into it. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] So uh one? [speaker003:] But it's not that fancy. [speaker001:] Yeah. No, [speaker003:] I mean [speaker001:] I'll I'll I'll give it a two. [speaker003:] I think uh [disfmarker] I think it would have been more fancy if we used the titanium housing [disfmarker] the casing. It would be even more [disfmarker] [speaker001:] You like tita [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] oh, you really like titanium. I'm I'm into it. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] That's a flavour as well. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] It has flavour. Yes, that's right. [vocalsound] You should taste it. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Right. Um [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Is it uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah, I know, but but it [disfmarker] but that's fancy in the way um [disfmarker] [vocalsound] I mean fancy has has a lot of [disfmarker] [speaker003:] It has to do with fashion, I guess. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] So do [disfmarker] [speaker002:] It's trendy trendy, fun [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] And w yeah, [speaker002:] yeah. [speaker004:] w what they want [disfmarker] wanted was uh colours and soft materials. So in that way [disfmarker] It [disfmarker] it's fancy. [speaker001:] Yeah. It applies. It [disfmarker] yeah. [speaker002:] Well, just [vocalsound] give it a two. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yes. I think I th I think it would have been [disfmarker] I would have think [disfmarker] uh [speaker002:] It's not the ultimate uh fancy two, but [disfmarker] [speaker003:] it could have been more fancy by using the double-curved case. It would have been even more fancy, but we decided not to, because if we use a double-curved case, we could not use solar. [speaker002:] Yeah, but that's sti that's uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] So [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Looking at the user uh needs, we only uh don't [disfmarker] we don't have the double-curved case. We w we do have uh the rubber, we do have the colours. That's two out of three. [speaker003:] Yes. [speaker002:] So I believe uh we are close uh to two. [speaker001:] Yeah, I I agree. [speaker003:] Yes, I agree too. It's okay. We did [gap] [disfmarker] yes, we did good. [speaker004:] Okay, and uh was it innovative? [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Well, with the voice recognition feature and uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] But that's not in it. [speaker004:] Yep. [speaker002:] Ov or can we [disfmarker] [speaker001:] No, [speaker003:] Well, [speaker001:] we are evaluating this this uh design now. This prototype. [speaker003:] let's let's [disfmarker] this product. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker003:] So I I I think it is. I think it's innovative. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] And the scroll uh wheel. The solar [disfmarker] not many remotes have the solar, I think. [speaker003:] No. It could have been a little bit more innovative u by using the kinetic uh energy source, [speaker004:] Yeah, and uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] but it's it's way too [disfmarker] [speaker001:] That would have been a thrill. [speaker003:] yes, but [disfmarker] [speaker004:] So uh also a uh two? [speaker003:] I think uh it's a two. [speaker001:] Yep. [speaker004:] Is it easy to use? [speaker001:] I'm not sure. [vocalsound] I'm not sure. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Well yeah, the voice recognition of course is hard to learn, I think. Well, hard [disfmarker] it's not for the for the e for the elderly. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Well, [speaker002:] They won't use it. [speaker003:] but there are two parts in this remote control. What you see here is is the basic part. Everybody can use it, so that's easy to use. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] That's for a novice user. When you have a more advanced, elaborate user, well, such a user really would like to explore all these additional functions. So in that in that way it is advanced, [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] and I think it's easy to use for for both uh types of users. So uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] I think [disfmarker] I think a three. [speaker003:] It's maybe [disfmarker] it's not very uh easy for [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Wouldn't give it more. [speaker001:] Uh I'm doubting [disfmarker] doubting as well. Um [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Well the p the most important function is easy to use. The the zapping, channel switching, volume. But the more advanced functions are probably a bit harder. [speaker001:] Okay. Uh two or three? Three? Wha wh what would be your guess? I mean ease of use um does not only apply to the most basic functions. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker001:] It's the uh it's it's overall. Is the device easy to use? [speaker003:] Yeah, that's right. You're right in that, but I [gap] [disfmarker] I guess uh an advanced user will will find the voice recognition function easy to use, [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] because he is already [disfmarker] he or she is already an advanced user. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] So [disfmarker] After all, I think [disfmarker] personally I would give a two. [speaker001:] Um [disfmarker] Okay. [speaker003:] But [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Uh Roo, a three? [speaker002:] Yep. [speaker001:] Ruud? [speaker004:] Good question. Uh I'll go uh for the two. [speaker001:] Okay. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] So, it's two, two and three. Two threes. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] So that's ten. [speaker001:] So I could make it e easy? [speaker002:] If you make it a four it will be three in general. [speaker003:] So that's w No, two and a half. [speaker002:] If he makes it a four. Not a three. [speaker003:] Six and four. Six and four is ten. Divided by four is two and a half. So [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Darn. Nee. [speaker004:] Hmm? Huh? [speaker003:] Yes. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Roo. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] A seven, a three [disfmarker] [vocalsound] No. [speaker004:] Yeah. I yeah [gap]. [speaker002:] A four and a three together. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Four? [speaker002:] Yeah, you have a two, he has a two. Three? [speaker004:] Yeah, two, two, three [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Two? [speaker002:] And a three? [speaker001:] No, I haven't said anything yet. [speaker004:] No. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Nee. I know. [speaker001:] Okay, but if I would say a three, then it's six, and four is ten. Divided by four is two point five. [speaker003:] Divided by four. [speaker002:] Yes. So if you want to have the conclusion as a three [disfmarker] three. Then you would make a four. If you fill out a four [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] That's not even [disfmarker] [speaker001:] But I'm filling in a three. Does it [disfmarker] will [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] so it will be a two point five. [speaker003:] But that's not possible to fill in, [speaker001:] Yes, it is. [speaker003:] so we have to round it. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Is it easy to find? [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] I have a veto. [vocalsound] Exactly. It's not about the content, it's about [disfmarker] okay, um is it easy to f Yeah, definitely. [speaker003:] Yes. [speaker002:] Yeah, we haven't re uh re uh really worked it out, but you c you can you can just say find and he repeats find. [speaker003:] It it most definitely is [disfmarker] it's very easy. [speaker001:] Yeah, or beeps or [disfmarker] yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah, but that's the that's the the basic idea of the the speaker uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yes. Maybe [disfmarker] Uh I I think I think [disfmarker] [speaker001:] I'm here, I'm here. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] something like that. Maybe you have to uh programme it once, so to that l respond to uh a certain word or a certain sentence, something like where are you, and then it will sing I'm here. So something like that. [speaker001:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker002:] But even without it [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] So, [speaker001:] Well, I uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] I th [speaker001:] we should not uh stay too long on this subject uh because of the time, but I personally give it a one. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yeah, me too. [speaker001:] Um Sebastian? [speaker002:] Me too. [speaker004:] Yeah, I agree. [speaker001:] Right, well. The feel of the remote control is spongy. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Well, uh it can't be more spongy. So [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Well, it can be. There are cases um in which the outside casing is [disfmarker] um can be [disfmarker] uh how d how do you prono is is moldable. [speaker002:] Was it one of our options? [speaker003:] No, it's not one of our option, [speaker004:] No. Uh [speaker001:] No okay, [speaker004:] this this was a most spongy option. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] but when you look in the market, when you look [disfmarker] [speaker002:] So, in the in [disfmarker] [speaker001:] but but for the options given, it's the most spongy one. [speaker003:] Uh yes, but that's not that's not uh what they are talking about, I think. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Because we compare all these uh characteristics [disfmarker] characteristics with uh market [disfmarker] uh with with the real market. [speaker001:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker003:] So there are uh remote controls out there which are a lot more spongy. They're out there. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] They're out there. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] But I think in this case in this case we've done the best we could. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yes, but it's not good enough, [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] so it's a two. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] I'll give it a one. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] I wan I'll take one. [speaker003:] You take one? What do you give it? [speaker004:] Well yeah, it depends, 'cause it's the most spongy we could [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah, I know, but you have to name a fig uh a number. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] but [disfmarker] yeah. [speaker001:] Because we need to go on [disfmarker] in [disfmarker] for the time. [speaker004:] Well, if I give it a one there'll be one hell of a calculation. [speaker002:] It will be a one. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] So I'll just give it a two and make this a one point five. [speaker003:] No no no. Uh I'll I'll change it, I'll make it m my my mark will be a four. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] You are [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] okay. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] The remote control offers enough features. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Well, Ruud, what what do you think about it? [speaker004:] Well, the basic layout doesn't offem [disfmarker] offer much, but the voice recognition could add a lot. So [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Basically it's it's completely programmable. [speaker004:] Yeah, depends. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] You can add very m much functionality by uh using the voice recognition mode. [speaker001:] Yeah, I know. [speaker003:] So it's quite advanced. [speaker001:] What what we didn't talk about is um uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah, but [vocalsound] it ha doesn't has the digits. I believe it's [disfmarker] If you uh ask yourself it offers enough features, I don't I don't think it is [disfmarker] it has all the features um a normal remote has. [speaker001:] I think it has. [speaker004:] Uh depends on what you uh implement in the speech feat [speaker001:] Yeah. Bec because you can um [disfmarker] we didn't talk about it, but you do have uh remote controls that are able to adapt another signal. [speaker003:] Yes. [speaker001:] So, you place a a regular uh remote control in front of the other one, hit the one or the two or the three, whatever, and it r records the uh the um [gap] [disfmarker] the the signals. [speaker003:] Has uh the signals sent to it. [speaker004:] Signal. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] So you could uh uh uh enter any comment you like, as long it's able to [disfmarker] as long as our device is able to reproduce the infrared signal. So I think th this uh this is uh a a remote control with a very high level of features. [speaker003:] Absolutely. [speaker001:] Although there are i a few buttons, but the inside is is quite uh advanced. [speaker003:] Yes. But that [disfmarker] that's its power, I guess, because uh a regular programmable uh remote control contains, well, uh really a lot of buttons. At at least uh forty buttons. [speaker001:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker003:] So it's it's quite s complicated to get uh to get used to. And this is quite s simple. You can use your voice to to programme it. [speaker001:] Yep. [speaker003:] It's [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah. Okay, um let's give it a number. I'll give it uh a one. For for the [disfmarker] for this t uh type of market, I think it's a one. [speaker002:] I'll give a two. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yeah, I'll give it a one. [speaker004:] Um I think think a one, 'cause [gap] v with a voice recognition you could add anything you want, so that's like um [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yes. I I've [disfmarker] I think we've uh succe succeed in in developing a product that's actually quite good, but not for this kind of market, and not for this kind of price. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] So [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah. So high quality, low acceptance. [speaker003:] Hmm. [speaker001:] The product is is is uh b high qua uh has a high quality and and is uh advanced. [speaker003:] Yes. [speaker001:] But [vocalsound] whether or not our clients are are um willing to pay twenty five Euros for this kind of device is doub is [disfmarker] well, is not sure. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] D do you agree? [speaker003:] Yes, I agree. I [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Maybe even because it doesn't look advanced. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah, okay. [speaker001:] Maybe we should have a radar uh [vocalsound] function. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] But [disfmarker] [vocalsound] Yes. [speaker002:] But we could [disfmarker] couldn't uh [disfmarker] what what's the selling price? Fifty? [speaker001:] Twenty five Euros. [speaker002:] Uh twenty five. And costs were twelve fifty. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] But even now, if only our production costs w [vocalsound] uh were exceeded the double, Think. Production cost was [disfmarker] were t uh was twenty two? [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] So uh [gap] selling price uh would be uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] M about fifty Euros. [speaker002:] yeah. [speaker003:] That's quite ex [speaker002:] That's price, but w w [speaker003:] well, it's not it's not very expensive for a remote control that that has this functionality. [speaker002:] No. An original remote control of any TV kind, uh a Phillips remote control, y you pay uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yes, it's more than fifty Euros. It's quite expensive, yes. [speaker002:] Yeah, I kn I know uh from a few years ago, it it it costed hundred Gilders. [speaker001:] Bu but [disfmarker] well [disfmarker] yeah, I know, but you're paying for th for the brand, because there are uh remote controls which control your stereo, television, DVD, CD player, for under twenty five Euros. [speaker003:] Yes. Yes, but you can you c Yes, but you can learn this thing, all these functions. And it's easier to use [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] because those uh remote controls don't offer voice recognition [speaker001:] [gap]. [speaker003:] and this one does. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] So I think it's worth its price. [speaker001:] Okay. Um you had an overall rating. Um [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah, but uh [vocalsound] with these ratings uh [speaker001:] That's counting. [speaker003:] Well, it's it's about one point five. Something like that. [speaker004:] should be about one point s seven, [speaker002:] Four six seven eight. [speaker004:] yeah. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] Nine divided by six. [speaker001:] Okay. Um we'll go further on with the the rest of the evaluation. About the project itself, not about the product. Um [disfmarker] What did you think about uh the process, the project process? Ruud? [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Try to translate that. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Well [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Hmm. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Any any other [disfmarker] Uh, Roo? [speaker003:] Well, [speaker002:] Yeah, I think uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] I think [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Ye [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Roo. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] The process was good. But w um we weren't aware of the prices of the costs. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] And and that was the the big deal. [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker002:] I if we knew that before, we c we could have made [speaker003:] Actually, we had [disfmarker] [speaker002:] the the choice between [gap] what [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Better decision. [speaker003:] Yes. [speaker002:] yeah. [speaker003:] We had we had too little information actually. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] So [disfmarker] And uh um the the the [disfmarker] well, looking at room for creativity, there was w way too [disfmarker] the the choice of components was way too narrow. [speaker001:] Less. [speaker003:] So there was not really a process of uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah. So we could we we could be [disfmarker] we could've been creative. But um it was tempered by the choice of components and the the price. [speaker003:] Well [disfmarker] Yes. [speaker004:] The prices. [speaker003:] Well, in the first meeting we we already were very creative. We we thought of possibilities [vocalsound] who are not possible uh with the the current uh offer of uh manufacturing components. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] So [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] We're tempered by that, yes. [speaker001:] Okay, Roo? Any other thoughts on that? [speaker002:] No, no. [speaker001:] Ruud? [speaker004:] I agree. [speaker001:] You agree, okay. Uh leadership. [speaker002:] Fantastic. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Okay, Roo's on for his promotion. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah, [gap] okay. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] I think we're a good team. [speaker001:] I think so too, it's it's it's uh of course a laboratory environment. I missed it um to be able to contact you in between and uh say uh, hey Roo uh [gap]. [vocalsound] Um [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yes. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Well, I tried once, but that was not allowed. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah. [vocalsound] So um [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah, but but si uh w w w [gap] [disfmarker] when taken in account the the situation, uh I think we performed pretty well. [speaker003:] I think so too. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. Um the means, the SMARTboard, the digital pen. Did you like 'em? [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Uh. The digital pen was okay, but SMARTboard was really bad. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] It [disfmarker] it's [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Because of the response or [disfmarker] [speaker003:] The response is very slow [speaker002:] Response and [disfmarker] [speaker003:] and the possibilities are very limited. It's not accurate. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] Uh it it has [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] yeah. Yeah, it's not accurate. The p the pointing of the pen is not um the place where it it writes its [disfmarker] um uh where it uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Draws. [speaker002:] Yeah, where it draws. It's uh [disfmarker] the drawing on on the b on the board is [gap] r right from the pen. [speaker001:] Okay, so it it had to be um better aligned, or what's the word? [speaker002:] So uh [disfmarker] [vocalsound] You to take in account that your [disfmarker] you m [speaker001:] Uh yeah. [speaker002:] yeah uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Maybe it's [disfmarker] it needs to be calibrateds. [speaker002:] It's too slow [disfmarker] [speaker001:] It it was calibrated just before this meeting. Uh the one before, the third meeting. [speaker003:] It is? Okay. [speaker001:] So uh it's not the calibration, it's the thing itself, I think. [speaker002:] Hmm. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker001:] Uh Ruud, w uh did you use the pen a lot? Or not at all? [speaker004:] No. [speaker001:] Not at all. [speaker004:] Not really. [speaker001:] Okay. I thought it was quite a handy uh thing, [speaker003:] I I think so too. [speaker001:] although I would like to see um OCR. [speaker003:] Yes. Yes. [speaker002:] Yep. If it has OCR [vocalsound], uh I think uh I would use, but uh I I just uh took notes for myself and and and that's it. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] It w it w yeah. It was necessary for me to uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] To digitise them. [speaker002:] Yeah, because if I want something on the computer, I just type it. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] I type faster than I write. So [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] But I think it's a great solution for uh for uh a known problem, uh writing down some notes, some some inf uh information, and then um forgetting your notebook somewhere and losing all that information. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Because you have everything in one place and it's quite easy quite easy [disfmarker] it's it's possible to make this information digital and share it with others in a quite easy way. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] I think it's a good product. I only think it's th the the shape of the pen is too big. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] It's not quite uh ergonomic. Eco ergonomic. [speaker002:] Economic. [speaker001:] I know. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah. Okay. Um [disfmarker] What w Uh Ruud, what did you think about the SMARTboards? [speaker004:] Oh, I only use it to draw a rabbit, [speaker001:] Yeah. Okay, you can't really decide. No. [speaker004:] so [disfmarker] [vocalsound] can't say much about it. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] I missed a feature to easily select uh a slide and uh distribute it to the laptops. I think that would be very easy if you could say okay, I want to use this for my own work or my own presentation further on or [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yes. [speaker004:] No, or the other way around. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Or the other way around, that you could show [disfmarker] but m [speaker003:] Yes, yes. That's quite what PowerPoint does. [speaker002:] But y you can [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] if you save this image, you can open it in your shared work folder. [speaker001:] I know. I know, but [disfmarker] [speaker002:] So it's almost [disfmarker] yeah. [speaker001:] I know, but we couldn't use that feature, so I missed it. [speaker002:] Yep. [speaker001:] We weren't able to do that. At least the [disfmarker] um I wasn't explained how to do such a th [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [gap]. A and the function of of filling an an uh an oval or an an object. [speaker003:] An object, yes. Yes. The drawing cap capabilities are very limited. [speaker002:] I it's not possible [disfmarker] yeah. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] And and uh w you were [disfmarker] when you're using uh Windows, you're used to a certain interface and certain buttons, uh which you can use for drawing. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] And a lot of these buttons don't appear here. So it's [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Oh it looks like paint actually. [speaker001:] Okay, so y it [disfmarker] it's not even as advanced as paint. [speaker003:] Not not uh n not [gap] way. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] It's quite uh limited. [speaker001:] Okay. Uh no. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah, the project is evaluated. Um but, well, we need to redesign uh the product. [speaker003:] Okay. Oh, very good, celebration. [speaker001:] Celebrate [speaker003:] Pop uh pop up the champagne. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Great. [vocalsound] It was a privilege working with you. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Okay. [vocalsound] Um you're dismissed. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] No, I think we are uh ready. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker002:] To private rooms? [vocalsound] [speaker003:] I see some action over there. [speaker001:] Private room, Roo. That sounds quite scary. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker001:] No, let's find uh the way to [gap]. [vocalsound] [gap]. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [gap] uh we're done, we're finished, [gap] I believe. So, are there any more cycles in this process? I think not. [speaker001:] I don't believe so. Well, maybe we'd [disfmarker] get an email. Thank you for your [disfmarker] [speaker003:] But um how much time did we get for this meeting? [speaker001:] Forty minutes. [speaker003:] And how much time is left? [speaker001:] A minute or or ten maybe. M [speaker003:] Ten minutes. [speaker001:] Yeah, ten or five. [speaker003:] Okay. Okay. [speaker001:] So, we can uh redesign our uh [disfmarker] Uh I would like to [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Well, I think we we we all know what the redesign should be. A simple, dull, uh one-coloured box. [speaker004:] And no added value. At all. [speaker003:] No, it's it's just the same product that is already on the market. [speaker004:] So [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Oh. [speaker002:] But you see the problem, y you can't continue your uh your line. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Well, it's fluffy alright. [vocalsound] Spongy. [speaker003:] What is that? [speaker002:] A giraffe? [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] It's a giraffe eating a [disfmarker] eating leaves from a tree. [speaker001:] It's blue tongue. [speaker004:] In interesting design. [speaker001:] Yeah. [vocalsound] This is a new model. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] But [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] So you're actually promoting Bluetooth. Or blue tongue. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Blue tongue. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Oh uh it it does uh have a natural uh feeling. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] It's spongy. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] So [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [gap]. [vocalsound] That is uh [disfmarker] it's a new feature next to Bluetooth to um disable all Bluetooth devices. Um [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Blue tongue. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Right. [speaker003:] Let's wrap it up. [speaker001:] Yeah, we're done here. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Gentlemen, thank you for your cooperation. [speaker003:] Thank you Mister manager. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Now, [vocalsound] let's have uh a bottle of champagne. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [gap]. Leave it here. [speaker001:] Yes. [speaker002:] That's alright. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [gap]. [speaker004:] [gap]. [speaker001:] [gap]

[speaker003:] [gap]. [speaker002:] Hello [vocalsound]. 'Kay. [speaker001:] You all saw the newsflash? [speaker003:] It's [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Or you got the same message? [speaker004:] Yeah I I just saw it one minute ago. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yeah sorry. [speaker003:] I don't know. [speaker004:] When I uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] I didn't see it yet I think. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker002:] Newsflash? D did I miss something? [speaker001:] Yeah. Yeah I received an email so I thought I I can't mail you so I thought I'd just drop it in the folder, but [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah pretty much. [speaker003:] Hey what's wrong with my computer? [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] Is it unlocked? [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker003:] [gap]. [speaker002:] No. [speaker004:] Yeah that's my presentation. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Woah. I uh kind of opened it [gap]. [speaker003:] Huh? [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker004:] Mm? [speaker003:] What the [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Oh right. [speaker001:] Uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] I think you have to uh change your desktop uh [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] size. [speaker004:] Ooh. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] 'Kay. Everybody ready? [speaker003:] Not really. [speaker004:] Well [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Sorry. [speaker002:] [gap] computer is uh not functioning? [speaker001:] No no no. Yes yes yes. [speaker004:] Alright. [speaker003:] Okay. Where do I find this? [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker003:] I'm not so g display huh? [speaker002:] Uh display. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] And then uh settings? [speaker003:] Appearance? [speaker004:] Huh. [speaker002:] Mm I'm not sure I [gap]. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] You read the newsflash? [vocalsound] [speaker002:] No. [speaker001:] 'Kay. Can we get started [speaker003:] No what was it about? [speaker004:] Hmm. [speaker001:] or is there some pressing issue? [speaker003:] Yeah my computer is not functioning properly. [speaker001:] Oh no pressing. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Did you plug in the power cable when you come back? [speaker003:] Yeah yeah. No but my screen is reduced in size. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yeah. That's difficult. Yeah. [speaker004:] What? [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Feedback. [speaker004:] Hmm. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker004:] [gap] alt delete. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Format. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Format save. [speaker004:] [gap]. So it doesn't draw the attention away. [speaker003:] This is dreadful. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] I made uh uh my own map. [speaker003:] No not this, but the task. [speaker001:] Oh yeah sure. [speaker002:] It's a [disfmarker] [speaker001:] You have Playstation also? [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [vocalsound] No that's okay. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] No I just flapped it, closed it, took it here and then this happened. Ah. Uh [disfmarker] where was it? In settings? Okay. Alright. Thank you. [speaker001:] Huh. [speaker003:] Do you guys like your tasks? [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] I spent a lot of time thinking about what I was gonna do and then a couple of minutes before this I get my function you know the information that I need. [speaker002:] Yeah wa wa you actually [disfmarker] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] So frustrating. [speaker002:] But it it's not clear what you have to to to type uh type in your presentation. [speaker003:] So [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah. I I had a whole idea and then just was typing it and then oh. I have to do that so switch. [speaker003:] Yeah [disfmarker] Yeah exactly. This presentation is mainly based on my own ideas 'cause I hadn't time to intergrate tha the information yet so [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Really annoying. [speaker001:] Okay. So there we are again. [speaker004:] By your humble PM. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Okay this is the agenda. Um we have three presentations, I heard. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Really. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah really. [vocalsound] So who wants to start? [speaker004:] Yeah that's fine [gap]. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] We have to start it right away? [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Functional? Yeah functional requirements. [speaker001:] Uh this is you? 'Kay. [speaker004:] Alright. I'm gonna talk about functional requirements. Um [disfmarker] Well uh some research has be done uh has been done. Uh observing of one hundred uh subjects in the usability lab using a remote control. Uh and they also filled in a questionnaire. The findings were um, well you can see them for yourself. They disliked the look-and-feel of current remotes controls. [vocalsound] Users think they're ugly. Um [vocalsound] they do not match the the operating behaviour of the users. So they they d they don't match what they want to have on it. Um [vocalsound] they are often lost somewhere in the room. Um it takes too much time to learn how to use a new remote control. And they're bad for RSI. [vocalsound] I don't know uh how a user can reach that but okay. Um [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Ts [speaker004:] there is also uh was also some research on uh the most relevant and and and irrelevant uh f functions. Uh most irrelevant and less used were audio settings, mono, stereo, uh pitch, bass. Um screen settings for brightness and colour and stuff like that. Um but they are used. I mean the [disfmarker] [speaker003:] So they do need to be in the [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah they do need to be on the on the remote control. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] I mean if you can't control the the sound settings [disfmarker] I mean if you dislike a very uh loud bass or something, you you need to change that. [speaker003:] Alright. [speaker004:] So um yeah we have to. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [gap] often. [speaker003:] By the way my TV doesn't have an equ equaliser but [speaker004:] We c we c Yeah I mean w we can't [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Next generation does. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [disfmarker] okay. [speaker004:] my my TV has, [speaker003:] No. [vocalsound] Alright. [speaker004:] but we we can leave them uh away. Uh most relevant, uh most used functions, uh they speak for themselves I guess. Uh power button, uh channel, volume selection. Uh teletext but we can skip that because I saw the newsflash, and teletext is so outdated that it it's i should not be used uh any more in the future. [speaker001:] N not used anymore. [speaker004:] So forget this one. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker004:] Uh channel settings, so for programming uh your channels in in the right order. [speaker003:] By the way where did you guys get that newsflash from? [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. [vocalsound] I was wondering uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] I didn't get anything. [speaker004:] Yeah, [vocalsound] on on the project uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah. Not by mail. I receiv the mail but you don't. So [disfmarker] [speaker004:] No so it's a text file n in the project folder. [speaker002:] But you you've got more information than [disfmarker] uh. [speaker004:] So teletext can be skipped. [speaker001:] That's in the presentation, so [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Alright. [speaker004:] Um there was some research on new features in a remote control. Uh about an LCD screen uh and speech recognition. Well we got an update for the for the audience. Or the the the targeted group. So it's above forty I guess. [speaker001:] Uh below I believe. [speaker004:] The new product? Or below [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah below forty. [speaker004:] because that's pretty relevant. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] I thought I read a [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Our current customers are in the age group forty plus. [speaker004:] Yeah? [speaker001:] And the new product should reach new markets, which is the customers below forty. [speaker004:] Below? Okay well [vocalsound] [speaker002:] But where did you get uh that information? [speaker004:] that's that's in the newsfla [speaker001:] That's in a newsflash. [speaker004:] okay that's a good to know. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Okay. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Um because you see see a clear distinction between the age groups, concerning the features. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] I mean uh above forty people are not so interested uh not so interested in a screen or speech recognition. Uh but below that age they uh they pretty much are. So I think we can build that in. Um [disfmarker] Yeah well we can skip this part as well, because I thought I read above forty so we could skip the features, but we just have to build them in because uh they find it very interesting. Um well we have to keep all the classic functions but make the buttons as user-friendly as possible. Um and and also there's [disfmarker] so not only the design of the bus uh buttons but o how you can push them, and stuff like that. So the physical uh aspect of it. Um [disfmarker] And I think [disfmarker] and certainly for for the for the lower age groups, uh nice design, which uh does not make the remote control [gap] in your room. It's it's actually a part of your interior, of of your design in your room. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] So it's [vocalsound] the people can say, well what's that, well that's my remote control, so it's d it has to look nice and feel nice, and and have all the functions that uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah. But it also needs to have corporate identity. [speaker004:] Yeah so the the logo has to be uh present yeah, and the colours as well. [speaker001:] Present and the colours. [vocalsound] So we can't change much of that. [speaker003:] Do we have [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah so but I I don't think that's that's a problem because the thing has to have a colour anyway, and most of the times there is a brand present on it. [speaker003:] uh yeah [gap]. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah. [speaker004:] So I think that's not gonna gonna affect it very uh very much. [speaker001:] Yeah. Okay. [speaker004:] Well that are the the consequences uh on a marketing uh part. [speaker003:] Alright. [speaker004:] Yes. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] 'Kay. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] It's open already so you can use [gap] to [speaker004:] [gap]. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] find yours. [speaker002:] It's [disfmarker] [speaker001:] F five. [speaker002:] F five. Okay. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Go Jurgen. [speaker002:] Oh. What is this? [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Oh no. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] How do I uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] You pressed alt F four? [vocalsound] [speaker002:] No no no. I pressed the mouse button. [speaker001:] Oh great. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] It's [disfmarker] th that's the self-destruct button. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. Okay. [speaker001:] Uh maybe you can do it from your computer so talk us through it. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Um if you all go stand around uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Just [disfmarker] yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Computer [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Sure. [speaker003:] Alright. [speaker002:] Um [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] That's nice. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] No. [speaker001:] F five. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker004:] Alright. [speaker002:] I uh had uh two examples. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Um this one is the the yeah the advanced one with a lot of options and functions and buttons. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] This the easy one [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] I think we have to to combine them. And uh yeah merge the best functions of all examples. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Um but yeah the the age is uh under forty? [speaker001:] The mm yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah and and and marketing research stated that that that kind of users are not afraid of of a lot of functions. [speaker002:] So we [disfmarker] Okay so so we have the option for more functions. [speaker004:] So not not too much but [disfmarker] yeah. [speaker002:] Um [disfmarker] yeah. [speaker003:] And we do have to integrate the screen and the the speech [disfmarker] [speaker004:] And the speech recognition yeah. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] alright. [speaker002:] Uh yeah this this one we can remove for kids. It's just only for adults so uh we can uh use some advanced options. [speaker004:] Yeah from age of sixteen so yeah. [speaker002:] But [disfmarker] Yeah but I prefer we we uh use the the basic options uh yeah. We have to to make them very easy so for just uh zapping around the channels you can just push one button. [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] But if you want to to use your your video recorder or something else, you should use use an uh an advanced option. [speaker004:] Yeah but uh the the newsflash also stated that it should control only one device, only your television. [speaker002:] Okay one device. [speaker001:] Yeah. So n it's very easy. [speaker002:] Okay. I didn't see [gap]. [speaker004:] So w [speaker001:] Now yeah it's okay. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Okay and I also uh yeah. W yeah. [speaker004:] So there are not extra options in this case, but uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] We have to make it fashionable. Like you uh said uh before. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Uh yeah the basic functions. Um yeah only use a extra function if they are really needed. [speaker001:] Yeah [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] so maybe you can hide them or something. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah well what what we can do with the screen is is all the the configuration options, you can put that in the screen. [speaker001:] Yeah you make a screen menu or something. [speaker004:] And the and the [disfmarker] yeah screen menu to to to uh to do that, [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] and then the basic function just on the device itself. So it looks very simple and all the advanced features are hidden in the screen, uh with a clear menu. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. Yeah [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] and the other oth other uh functionality is the screen. What does the screen do? [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Did I uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Uh. [vocalsound] What are [disfmarker] wh [speaker003:] Alright. [speaker001:] Yeah. It's low power. [speaker002:] did I break it? [vocalsound] [speaker004:] What [gap]. [speaker001:] So what does the screen do? They said they needed it but what does it do? What do they want with the screen? [speaker002:] For for the advanced functions I think. [speaker001:] Yeah that's what we make it up. [speaker004:] Yeah well it [gap] yeah it didn't [speaker001:] So but what did the marketing [disfmarker] [speaker004:] it didn't say what they want to do with the screen. [speaker001:] No. [speaker004:] Well I, my guess is it's it's pretty handy for advanced uh advanced functions. [speaker001:] Yeah okay it's handy. With no predefined uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Like searching for channels and [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah searching for channels, programming them. [speaker003:] Ah look. We have your uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] oh never mind. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] We're back online. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Okay. That's uh [disfmarker] I'm al I'm almost finished so [disfmarker] [vocalsound] Um the [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Okay. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] we have to to to watch out for the [disfmarker] i if we make it f very fashionable, it it the functional functionality will go down. So we have to make uh a compromise between functionality and fashional fashionable [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. Content and form. [speaker002:] yeah content and form. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] [gap]. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Now that that was uh was the end. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] That was the end. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker002:] Yes. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] Well my presentation is a bit uh sucky. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Well you can improvise right? [speaker001:] Uh which one is it? Technical functions? [speaker003:] Yeah a little bit. Uh no. [speaker001:] This one? [speaker003:] No no. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Functional requirements? [speaker003:] Yeah I think that would be it then. [gap] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] No. [speaker004:] So we we can go for [disfmarker] [speaker003:] I have no idea. [speaker001:] You didn't put it in? Or [disfmarker] [speaker003:] That w [gap]. [speaker001:] [gap] it's not really English. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Let me check. I know. [speaker001:] Uh kick off. Oh working design I got it. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] So we can go for the look-and-feel of the the left example, and then a screen on top of it. [speaker001:] Here you go. [speaker003:] Alright how do I uh skip pages? [speaker001:] Just uh press uh [disfmarker] yeah. Yeah. [speaker003:] The keys yeah? [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Alright. Um yeah well I was working on this before I got my information. So I was just working off the top of my head and using my colin common knowledge about uh remote controls. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] And well the info on the website which came too late. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] Um so I didn't really know what kind of functions we had to put into it yet. So uh uh this is basically an overview of what we discussed in our last uh meeting. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] Those were my uh starting points. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] Uh I was working on a s yeah on a schedule, and I was supposed to do it like this. But um yeah then uh the information came and it was kind of exact with all the steps in the remote control that I had to follow, so I was trying to organise them for myself. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker003:] And then make the [speaker004:] Design? [speaker003:] the design, a the actual design, [speaker001:] Design yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] but I never came around to do that. So I'm not really sure what I'm supposed to say about it. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker003:] I mean everything speaks for itself I guess. Mean you press a button um [vocalsound] the it tru goes, it sends a signal to a chip, [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] which uh translates it into infrared signal of certin spatial frequencies. [speaker004:] Yeah frequency. Yeah. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] And uh or temporal fr frequencies actually. And then uh through a uh transformer, it the signal gets boosted and then sent to the to the receiver on the TV [speaker001:] Yeah decoder. [speaker003:] and the TV will translate it into a function. Um [disfmarker] [vocalsound] Yeah well this was actually [vocalsound] all I got around to do. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Blank. Yeah okay. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker003:] I mean I dunno if I'm too slow for this stuff, but uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Work harder. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Okay shou should we make a list of the of all the functions we want uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah. Whatever. [speaker001:] Yeah. Uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah we want to incorporate in uh into it. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] 'Kay. Um for those that didn't see yet um the basic new requirements of the management were no teletext, only for TV. Uh it should be designed for a use g uh group below forty, but I don't think it's w wrong if we can uh target the current customer group as well. [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker001:] And uh the corporate identity should be clear in the design of the remote control. And we have to decide on the functions, and on the, let's see what was it, uh the target group. We have to make be clear what that is. [speaker004:] [gap] group of users, or [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah users. [speaker004:] because it says below forty I mean. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah so I think it's easy but [disfmarker] [speaker004:] I guess that's that's the tar yeah uh or male and female [disfmarker] [speaker002:] But uh it's it's also for children or just uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Uh six [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah it's below forty so we can decide where to [disfmarker] [speaker004:] the marketing research started on s on the age of sixteen. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker004:] Sixteen to twenty five, twenty five to thirty five, thirty five to forty five, something like that. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] So um [disfmarker] [speaker001:] So below forty is okay. But we need an [disfmarker] lower level which to s uh focus. [speaker004:] How do you mean? [speaker001:] So is it from sixteen to forty? Is it from twenty to forty? Is it from thirty? [speaker004:] Uh sixteen to forty. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah? 'Kay. [speaker004:] Well I I guess people of sixteen are are quite used to technology. [speaker002:] We we have to [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] So they they adapt to it pretty soon I guess. [speaker002:] And if we have a larger public we have uh yeah more options to to uh sell our product. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah so what we might wanna do is uh yeah cust I have customised the screen functions, if you know what I mean. The uh younger users are more acquainted with these kind of machines so they can use more advanced functions. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] But maybe elderly people don't understand it so well, so they need a simpler remote. [speaker001:] Design. Mm. [speaker003:] And yeah that you can choose what the design displays, or wha whatever. [speaker002:] Yeah that's that's why uh I wanted to to make yeah two uh different uh yeah groups of functions. The the simple functions for for the the whole public, and the the advanced options for the younger people yeah who are more yeah experienced with uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [vocalsound] And maybe y [speaker003:] Experienced yeah. [speaker004:] But uh all incorporated in the screen or or just on the remote itself? [speaker002:] Na I w I should uh put uh the the yeah the extra advanced options on the onto the onscreen display. [speaker004:] Yeah [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] like like you have a visual of the of the brightness with with a kind of sliding bar and a bus and and stuff like that for sound and and vis and and visuals? [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. Yeah. So is [disfmarker] you should have a menu for all the the functions you don't use regular and which are [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Uh you can make a [disfmarker] if you make a drawing. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. Aye yeah. [speaker004:] Uh [disfmarker] Uh [gap]. [speaker001:] Shall I uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Uh black's okay. [vocalsound] And draw it very big. Oh. [speaker001:] Yeah. It's okay. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker001:] [gap] no, it doesn't have line control, so [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah we get the [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah well, this is basically uh it's [disfmarker] [speaker003:] The remote? [speaker004:] alright the remote? [speaker001:] The remote, yeah? [speaker004:] Um well usually the power button is on top I guess. [speaker001:] Basic. Is on top. Which should be easy, easily reached with the thumb. [speaker004:] Yeah so it should fit right in into your hand. [speaker002:] Yeah. L left top or right uh top? [speaker004:] Right. Right. [speaker001:] T I s should said right. [speaker003:] Right top. [speaker002:] Yeah, right. [speaker004:] I most people are right-handed so [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker003:] Yeah definitely. [speaker004:] maybe left-handed special addition, but okay. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] If you put it like like here. Or something. I dunno. Um then you could put a screen, like on a mobile phone, also on top I guess. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Yeah but if you are using the the normal functions, the the basic functions, you normally press them on the u yeah. [speaker001:] Do the also with the thumb. So it should be a little bit longer so that you can put your uh thumb, also reach the middle. Or you should screen at the bottom and then you can see it very clearly. [speaker004:] Okay so y yeah you have you have it in your hand, and the screen is below, and the buttons are in the middle. [speaker001:] You you need to be able to hold it so [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Okay for example [vocalsound] if you put the screen here, it's more about the functions now than the than the layout. [speaker001:] Yeah okay that's true. Layout. That's for the [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Doesn't work too well. It's uh it's bent. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] I can't help it. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [gap]. [speaker002:] You broke it. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] [gap]. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Right. [speaker001:] Man. [vocalsound] Yeah okay. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Okay you get it. Uh for example if y if you put all the [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Right. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] You want the normal piece of paper? And you have a pen? [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] And might be easier huh? [speaker004:] Maybe this. [gap] kind of works. [speaker001:] Yeah? [speaker004:] Like if you have like uh ten buttons for for all the for all the channels, [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] um and here one for for [speaker001:] Uh. And the for flipping up and down. [speaker002:] Yeah yeah. And volume control. [speaker004:] Yeah that that usually uh [disfmarker] like here, here, here, here. [speaker003:] Yeah I [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] So you have up and down for the for the channels, and left and right for the volume uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah. And left to right. And those can also be used for the menu. [speaker003:] Yeah exactly. I thought [disfmarker] but this is really your department, that we need just the functional display and four cursors. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah okay but this is function so if you can use them for multiple things [disfmarker] [speaker004:] And you you have [vocalsound] [speaker003:] And [disfmarker] [speaker004:] most of the time you have one button in the middle. It says menu, [speaker003:] Yeah okay. [speaker001:] For the menu. Yeah. [speaker004:] and then if you press it you [disfmarker] the screen gets activated and then you can use these buttons to scroll up and down and left and right to go into functon [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] and then just [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] mo most of the time this menu button is also like okay, to to confirm a a kind of action. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] So you scroll into it, okay. You select a function like v like uh bass. You just adjust it with these two buttons. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Then okay to confirm, and then uh on on each on each screen there's there should be an option to go back to a to a upper level. And then finally say okay, exit. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] Or or one button to exit it. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Uh in one time I dunno, that's not really my department. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] And do we need a a logo on our uh remote control, or [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] That's more your uh your department to to uh to [disfmarker] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] But it should be [disfmarker] if the screen is here then the logo should be like on on top, [speaker002:] On the left uh top yeah. [speaker004:] yeah. I mean it's uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] Yeah but that depends on where you put the screen. But it's essential that there is a screen. [speaker004:] Yeah. Yeah I mean the position of the screen is also more essential than [disfmarker] I mean we we look where we have space left and then put the logo over there. [speaker001:] Yeah. And for the speech uh recognition part, if we want to incorporate that, we need a microphone. [speaker004:] But um [disfmarker] Yeah so it should be [disfmarker] I mean if you have it in your hand here, should be on top somewhere, maybe. [speaker001:] Yeah. This would be uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Why did we wanna put the display in the bottom? [speaker004:] I mean i [speaker001:] No that's not s sure so [disfmarker] [speaker004:] That's not sure [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker004:] but it's [disfmarker] [speaker001:] uh we need a display. [speaker002:] Yeah may maybe because you're [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Because yeah if you use the functions your hand will block the display. [speaker002:] Yeah okay but [gap] only for the basic functi if you're going to use the advanced option, you're going to press the the menu button and then [disfmarker] yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah I mean a screen on top looks more lo logical to me. [speaker003:] Normal for logical t [speaker004:] Also because people use m mobile phones and they also have the screen on top. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. Yeah they're used to it. [speaker002:] Okay the [disfmarker] yeah. That's possible. [speaker004:] So you you just have to reach a little bit for the power button. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] I mean if you grab it. [speaker003:] On once it's on it's on. You don't need the power button. [speaker004:] But most most of the times if a if if a TV's on standby people just press a channel to put it on. [speaker002:] Yeah, okay. Okay we put it on top. [speaker004:] So we put this on top, and then make the corporate logo [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] like over here. RR. And j and the microphone, I mean it can be very small. If you look at your mobile phones [gap] are some stripes, [vocalsound] little little holes. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] Maybe on the top or even on the side. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah maybe on the side. I mean if the if the microphone is good. [speaker001:] Yeah but then it's possible that you cover it with your hand so [disfmarker] [speaker003:] True. [speaker004:] Yeah okay. So on the on the top is better. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] I think that top is the best option. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] But if you uh if you hold the ma the remote like this, if you put it on the top on the side [disfmarker] I dunno. Should be able to work. [speaker001:] Yeah okay. [speaker004:] Yeah. [gap]. [speaker001:] Depends on the sensitivity of the microphone, but I think that's okay. [speaker003:] Never mind. Can we leave this up to you? [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah it doesn't matter that much. So [disfmarker] but um the screen is on top? Which functions did we have left? I mean this is basically numbers, volume, uh channel up and down. [speaker001:] Volume. Up. Channel up and down, and the control of the advanced options. [speaker004:] Screen is over there. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] So maybe it, we should decide what advanced options we want to put in the LCD screen. [speaker002:] If we [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah. That's uh that's a good one. [speaker003:] Yeah so we we needed to integrate the sound and uh and image options right? [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Like uh bass uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] so sounds? [speaker004:] Sound? [speaker003:] so we need kind of an equaliser. If you [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah. Equaliser. So if you have sound [disfmarker] But not too advanced. I mean most TVs use only treble and bass. [speaker002:] Yeah it it's just a remote control so [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah and they're [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah treble, middl middle, bass or something. [speaker001:] They're not used often so [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. It's uh pretty hard to write. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Ah as [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Mm. [speaker001:] Yeah just [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [gap]. [speaker004:] Okay but you have sound? [speaker001:] Yeah sounds. [speaker004:] Yeah just [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] oh y you have digital uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [gap]. [speaker004:] better write it down over there yeah. [speaker001:] Of course. [speaker004:] So you have sound. [speaker001:] I'm just a [vocalsound] secretary. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Coffee? [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Uh yeah sound and then within sound I guess treble and bass? [speaker003:] Yes please. [speaker001:] Treble bass. [speaker003:] [gap] the mono stereo option? [speaker004:] Yeah. Also. [speaker001:] Uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] And there there was something else also. And then pitch. [speaker001:] Pitch I believe, yeah. [speaker004:] Pitch. Yeah. But pitch, isn't that [disfmarker] yeah that's the the height of the tone. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] The fr yeah the frequency of the tones, yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah okay, [speaker001:] Yeah and mono stereo. [speaker004:] wh why would you use that? [speaker003:] Yeah isn't that that depends on the on the signal of the of what program you're watching. [speaker004:] If people like talk like uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] And also the tuning part? [speaker004:] Programming part. [speaker001:] Yeah programming. [speaker004:] Uh so we have sound, [speaker001:] So channel programming? [speaker004:] yeah? Channel programming. [speaker003:] And yeah in the functionality of the [speaker002:] Television uh itself uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] no no of the remote uh do do we want uh the buttons to make sound when you press them? As a confirmation or whatever you know? [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker003:] I dunno. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker004:] I think it g it gets annoying. I mean most mobile phones used that in the beginning but [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] We we could make an option for it, but uh you can disable s [speaker003:] Under the a yeah advanced option menu you can put those things. [speaker002:] Yeah. But uh the the television itself has also the the options [gap] brightness and uh screen colour etcetera. So [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Contrast yeah. [speaker002:] yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah but people don't want to sit on their knees on their knees in front of their television with [gap] only three buttons then it's very hard to [speaker001:] Mm. No. Uh, so contrast, [speaker004:] y yeah contrast and brightness? [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] bright, [speaker004:] Yeah those are the most used I guess. If you look at your monitor. [speaker001:] uh [disfmarker] And the others were in your presentation right? So I can just copy those? [speaker004:] Well [vocalsound] yeah well I guess that these were the only ones, I guess. [speaker001:] Okay. [vocalsound] It's easy. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] But so we have we have TV options, which is all this. [speaker004:] I will look it up. [speaker001:] Yeah the button options and the LCD options. [speaker003:] The sound, sound and image. And you have in that uh the indeed the remote control options. [speaker001:] Indeed. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker003:] So we need two menus kind of thing. [speaker001:] Yeah you have basically a button menu, which you can use directly, uh according to the old principle. [speaker003:] Uh-huh. [speaker001:] And the LCD options are activated by some some software options, thats communicates with the infrared uh decoder yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah with the chip and then [gap] I mean [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] So you [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Uh [disfmarker] yeah. [speaker001:] You have an additional processor and and software part. [speaker004:] Well [disfmarker] yeah we have power button, whether that's present. [speaker003:] Alright. [speaker001:] Compared to o Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] Channel volume selection present. Uh numbers present. Yeah a audio settings, mono, stereo, pitch, bass, treble. Screen settings, brightness and colour. [speaker001:] L s Yeah. Colour. Yeah I I call it contrast. [speaker004:] Yeah con contrast is [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah I make it c colour. [speaker004:] Yeah okay, colour and brightness. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Um and what you say, channel settings or channel programming? So you you have an option to to start scanning all the frequencies, and when it encounters one, well it shows on your TV. And then you can um [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah and automatically um [disfmarker] Mm-hmm. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Uh and then you can select uh a number in your remote on which you want to save it. [speaker001:] Yeah so I've g channel program is autoseek? [speaker004:] Yeah, autoseek. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Uh name a channel, or [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Well most TVs automatically display the name, which they get through the cable. [speaker001:] Oh they get automatic names, okay. [speaker004:] Yeah. So you only have to choose the position on your [speaker001:] [gap]. [speaker004:] It only has to match the the channel frequency on your TV, with with the with the position on your TV and and so your remote. [speaker001:] Yeah. Yeah but can you also say I want f uh Veronica on the channel number uh five or [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Help. [speaker004:] If you already programmed it. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] If you want to move it. Yeah that should be possible too. [speaker001:] Yeah. How do you call that? [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah how do you call that? Mm? Wait you you should be able to to browse through a list or something, which w displays all the all the values, all the channels which are possible. [speaker001:] Channels? Yeah. [speaker004:] I mean like one to f thirty of or ninety or whatever. [speaker001:] Ninety nine or something. Yeah. [speaker004:] Just browse through it and then um in some kind of way see if it if it if it is programmed. [speaker001:] S swap channels? Can I call it that? [speaker004:] Yeah. Swap channels. [speaker001:] Swap's good option. Okay. Uh other functions? [speaker004:] So you [disfmarker] most of the time if you if you swap it [disfmarker] S uh let's say for example you have uh RTL five on on channel five. And Veronica on channel eight and you want to move Veronica to channel five, most of the times you override the previous uh the previous one. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [vocalsound] Okay. Well that's 's up to uh Mister User Interface Designer. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah. It's it's pretty uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker004:] yeah I mean you have to look on on the menu [speaker003:] [gap] working design. Doch. [speaker004:] on the TV. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Also. That's [disfmarker] you're [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] He only has to figure out how it has to look. And how [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yeah but also, which buttons you have to press to get a certain result? [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] to use [disfmarker] [speaker001:] And the working design was to specify how ph the physical interation between the components was, as I believe. [speaker003:] Yeah okay. But [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] You did your homework. But um [disfmarker] yeah. Okay. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Or or is it too hard to to ju to just do it all on your remote? To programme the channels? [speaker003:] No no. It should be able to do any remote. [speaker001:] No I don't think so. [speaker002:] No that's [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Uh. [speaker001:] But I think the communication with the television is difficult. But that's not our part. [speaker004:] Yeah. No. [speaker001:] We don't have to design a protocol so [disfmarker] [speaker003:] No. [speaker004:] That's true. That's true. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Thank god. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Okay [disfmarker] [speaker004:] So we have a figure a figure out a way to to do that easily. I mean th the autoseek is is not a problem. I mean you uh you uh current channel and then then it just says, uh on which number do you want to save this, [speaker001:] No that's the [disfmarker] [speaker004:] and you just press a number on your remote, and then say confirm, okay, and then it's it's saved. It's easier, [gap] it's it's it's harder to, if you have already programmed it, to to swap. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] So we have to think of something for that. [speaker001:] So but [disfmarker] Um [disfmarker] The User Interface Designer can design a menu for all these function [speaker004:] Yeah k kind of structure into layers. [speaker001:] I put them on the [vocalsound] [disfmarker] [speaker002:] On the uh yeah can you i make a a map with with all the [disfmarker] yeah 'cause it's now [disfmarker] there are lots and lots of documents [speaker001:] [gap]. Yeah. Yeah I can. [speaker002:] and [disfmarker] [speaker001:] I'll just try to reorganise uh things. [speaker004:] So [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Um [disfmarker] So you design the basic function menu for the LCD screen? Uh um [disfmarker] [speaker004:] And and the layout of of the thing itself. [speaker001:] I think [vocalsound] th I think the yeah the layout of the screen [speaker002:] The the layout of the remote control? [speaker004:] [gap]. [speaker001:] and I think you can concentrate more on the button placement and the placement of the uh screen itself on the [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Isn't that more the the u uh the user interface part? [speaker001:] [gap]. No I d I think that's more in [disfmarker] [gap]. [speaker003:] Uh all the functional uh aspects of the remote I think are in my department. [speaker004:] Maybe more on [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] I have to know what it has to do, so if you wanna you know the changing the channels kind of s thing is, I have to integrate that in the design. [speaker001:] Okay. So he's layout and you're function. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Form function okay. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] I think that's a that's a good separation. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker002:] But do I have to to uh to yeah to make the the menu layout also? Or [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker002:] Are you going to do that? [speaker004:] Yeah. Yeah I guess so. [speaker002:] Yeah? I I'm going to make [disfmarker] [speaker001:] I think i that's your department yes, [speaker002:] yeah o okay. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] because w he already knows what [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah we have to kind of work together. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] If if I make the the the yeah the menu like, I have to state which function has to be in the menu, [speaker001:] Yeah. But we're not allowed. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] and then you have to decide, it's, in a in a way that b is user-friendly. [speaker002:] Yeah. Okay. Y you you are going to make a list of what functions are uh are going to to be on the the screen, the menu screen. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] And I'm going to make a a nice menu uh with with [gap] pages and yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] I think [disfmarker] yeah. [speaker004:] With with some l with some layers in it. So some menus. [speaker001:] Yeah and also make clear which buttons to press to get certain result, [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] because that's always the difficulty. Every device has its own [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Well I guess this this button, the the the okay, [speaker001:] Menu okay. [speaker004:] menu okay. Or you can incorporate two uh difference uh different buttons. Uh like uh for your mobile phone. Um so this is only for to get in the menu, or to exit it. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker004:] And then one to confirm, and one to go one step back. [speaker001:] Back. Yeah. [speaker004:] So it's like the the save button on your your mobile phone, if you have a Nokia or like that. Or the or the no button. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] To go one step back you [gap] it's only two extra buttons, [speaker002:] Yeah. W we [disfmarker] [speaker004:] but if it if it's very clear that they are for the screen [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Uh I think we have to to group, to make two groups. Um the [disfmarker] one group for the for the display, and one group for the basic functions, and [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah but they're incorporated [gap]? [speaker002:] Yeah okay [speaker004:] Yeah because this this is used for both. [speaker002:] but we we have a m [speaker001:] Up and down is [disfmarker] [speaker002:] yeah but maybe that's that's not uh [disfmarker] yeah if you're if you're z zapping uh with your uh yeah remote control, you can press the the menu button, and then you are suddenly into the the yeah the display. [speaker001:] Smart? [speaker004:] Into your screen. Okay. So you l should leave the menu button out of here. [speaker003:] You wanna separate uh [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] And [gap] and just put it under the screen, the screen [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Put it on top. [speaker002:] Yeah j just just group group the [disfmarker] yeah we make these the advanced functions and these the basic functions. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] So we make a yeah a line between them. [speaker004:] But we should place the screen on top, right? [speaker001:] Well [disfmarker] [speaker002:] F oh yeah. Okay yeah we swap uh [disfmarker] [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker001:] But that's uh J Jurgen's department. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] So we make it a [disfmarker] [speaker004:] You just you just find out and [gap]. [speaker001:] You just make the layout. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] You [disfmarker] do we do the extra two buttons or not? [speaker002:] Uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] I think you should. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] It's easier. If you put too many functions in one button it gets confusing. [speaker001:] Yeah okay. That's true. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] So we have a a menu button and a s [speaker001:] And to, okay and back, also. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Okay. Okay and back button. [speaker004:] Yeah, or confirm and back. Whatever. [speaker001:] And of course the four arrows. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] No. [speaker001:] But those are still y doubly used. [speaker004:] Should we save this picture, or or you know what it looks like? [speaker001:] Both the LCD [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah I'm I'm not s clear about uh the the extra two buttons. We have a menu button and [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. That that just to to activate the screen. So [disfmarker] [speaker002:] That's the the one with the [disfmarker] yeah okay. [speaker001:] Menu button access the menu in the LCD screen. [speaker004:] And then with these buttons, woa, y you navigate. [speaker001:] You can navigate. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] But you can also navigate the channels. And the volume. [speaker002:] Okay so that that's not uh [disfmarker] Yeah that [disfmarker] Those are [speaker001:] Those are both both [disfmarker] [speaker002:] multifunctional. [speaker003:] Hey is it interesting for users if we put LED lights under the buttons? So that if you uh press on the menu function that only the buttons that are used for the menu are ligh li light up. [speaker001:] yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. L l litten up yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] That's very good idea. [speaker001:] Oh five minutes. [speaker003:] N [speaker004:] Alright. Yeah that's a good idea because then it becomes clear which buttons are active now, which you can use. [speaker001:] Light uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah and then it's also easier to integrate several functions in one button. [speaker001:] Yeah sure. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Um [disfmarker] [speaker004:] So [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Anything else? [speaker004:] Those buttons are are lit up. [speaker003:] I think not. [speaker004:] But just one thing. Should we use those two? Them? Or only this to to scroll? And then use the two functional buttons to confirm, to go into something? [speaker001:] I've [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Oh no we have to use this to adjust some some bars? [speaker001:] Volume. [speaker002:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah keep it optional 'cause maybe you can you know go left to right and up and down in a in one menu. [speaker004:] Yeah. And maybe we should use this also as an okay button, still. And then just only a back button. [speaker001:] Well we have those buttons. We use all four. [speaker002:] No [disfmarker] [speaker003:] The pr the problem with the okay button in the middle is, sorry [speaker001:] Yeah okay go ahead. [speaker004:] Yeah? [speaker003:] sorry, uh is uh if you're pressing up and down, you can easily press the okay once you, when you're not already at your choice. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] So maybe make one uh one okay button and and one navigation button. [speaker004:] And one back. [speaker001:] Yeah that was already decided. [speaker002:] Yeah the with with the the channel and the volume uh [disfmarker] yeah m a multifunctional navigation button. [speaker001:] Okay that's what we decided earlier on. [speaker002:] Yeah okay. Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Right okay. So [disfmarker] [speaker003:] You wanna close down huh? [vocalsound] [speaker001:] yeah I wanna close down. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] I have to, sorry. [speaker003:] That's okay. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] it's not because I don't like you but [disfmarker] yh we have lunch break, [speaker003:] Already. [speaker001:] and then we can work for thirty minutes, and I have to write very fast to make the minich min minutes. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] And then uh we'll see [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Alright. How m how long is the lunchbreak? [speaker001:] I don't know. [speaker004:] We have to ask. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Nobody told me. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker002:] But do we have to write uh to write down uh the our stuff now? Or first lunchbreak? [speaker001:] No I th believe there's first lunch break. [speaker002:] Because I [disfmarker] I've everything in my head now [vocalsound] so [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah. Or you can just [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] Yeah? [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] 'Kay. [speaker004:] Yes. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] 'Kay. [speaker001:] I think you can put uh the laptop back in the room and [disfmarker] [speaker003:] This is [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yes sir. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Time pressure. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] 'Kay. Yeah it's a lot of pressure. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah. Sorry for my uh not finished presentation uh. [speaker001:] That's okay. Oh yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Oh no no. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah we'll kick your ass later. No. [vocalsound] Uh. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Bring it on. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] I don't know if it works but it should be saved. [speaker004:] Aye [disfmarker] Y you saved it? Does it save automatically in the project folder? Or [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah. It's uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Okay. We'll see. Just put back my laptop. [speaker001:] Should be here. Smart board. [speaker004:] Alright. [speaker001:] Don't know if you can use it but [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker004:] Yeah you can open it with the picture preview or stuff like that. [speaker002:] And uh we have to make uh some maps with uh with the all the the data we uh gathered. [speaker001:] Yeah. I try to organise it by these three. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [gap]. It's it's just my own map so I put everything into the [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah [gap] yeah yeah. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] I don't really mind. I just put the minutes here and we'll see. [speaker002:] But you got some extra information uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah that's in the functional design uh folder. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah. Yeah that's just basically what I just showed. [speaker002:] But where do you did you get the newsflash? [speaker001:] Yeah. Yeah I got it by [disfmarker] [speaker002:] You're the only one uh [disfmarker] okay. [speaker001:] yeah. [speaker004:] [gap] internet. [speaker001:] I'm gonna get kicked if I don't do it so [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker003:] Alright. [speaker004:] Alright. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Make me proud. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] I'll try to. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] So first we have a lunchbreak now? [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Alright. [speaker001:] I believe so. [gap] just ask. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. I dunno where she [gap].

[speaker001:] Hi everyone, hope you had a nice lunch. Um [vocalsound]. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Alright we're moving on to conceptual design. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] 'Scuse me. [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Bless you. [speaker001:] Um, I'll just review what we did in our last meeting. Um, [vocalsound] under marketing we targeted our audience, and [disfmarker] Um, yeah. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] That was [vocalsound] generally [vocalsound] [disfmarker] how helpful that was. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Um, then we considered some design options with how it should look, um, we discussed an iPod-like button system which, uh, we haven't concluded but we're [disfmarker] Right, um [disfmarker] So, if you all have presentations to do, we can see what [disfmarker] where you've come from our last time. Does everyone have presentations? [speaker002:] Hmm. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yes. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] Yes. [speaker001:] Would anybody like to go first? [speaker002:] Sure. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] So I've been looking at the components design. Um. Mostly by consulting remote control diagrams from the internet and also by incorporating design ideas from the last project meeting. Um, so we need some custom design parts, and other parts we'll just use standard. Um, I assume we'll be custom designing our case, probably a hard plastic or some other material case, to protect the remote and the locator. And we'll need to custom desi design a circuit board, because the circuit board has to take the button input and send it to the output so you have to design that each time. But once we come up with a design we'll send it to the circuit people and they'll just print it out. Um, standard parts include the buttons and the wheels, um the iPod-style wheel. The infrared LED is actually gonna be included in the circuit board that comes with it. Um, we need a radio sender and receiver, those are standard. And al we also need a beeper or buzzer or other sort of noise thing for locating the remote. So we have some material options. Um, we can use rubber, plastic, wood or titanium. Um, I'd recommend against titanium because it can only be used in the flat cases and it's really heavy. Um, and the rubber case requires rubber buttons, so if we definitely want plastic buttons, we shouldn't have a rubber case. [speaker001:] And why not wood? [speaker002:] And, hmm? [speaker001:] And why not wood? [vocalsound] [gap] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Uh, well we can use wood. [vocalsound] I don't know why we'd want to. Um and also we should note that if we want an iPod-style wheel button, it's gonna require a m qu slightly more expensive chip. We can't use the minimal chip, we need the next higher grade, which is called regular. I don't think it's much more expensive, but it is more expensive. So that's what I've got on design. [speaker001:] 'S good. [speaker004:] Um, can I do next? 'Cause I have to say something about the material [speaker001:] Hmm. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] which is quite shocking. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Ha. Mm. Right, um, I have been searching the current trends, um, both on the web and via fashion-watchers, and the findings are that the first thing to aim for is a fashion uh, fancy look and feel. Um. Next comes technologic technology and the innovations to do with that. And th last thing is the easy to use um factor. Um, fancy look and feel goes far beyond the functionality of the thing, but I suppose that is included in in the ease of use. Um, our fashion-watchers in Milan and Paris have decided, well noticed, that f the fruit and vegetable theme is the [vocalsound] is the current trend [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] and and therefore um we need to go for that if we want, you know, wh whatever our motto is. Um. For fashion, we go for fashion. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker004:] The fashion in electronics. So we want to put the fashion electronics, we need to go fruit and vegetables. And also go for a spongy feel, so the the question of our technology whate is Industrial Designer. As to the material should be limited to [disfmarker] I don't know how spongy it can be, should discuss this together, I don't know how spongy can be achieved but apparently that's the way to go. Um. I I have been thinking about this fruit and vegetable thing and I prefer fruits to vegetables, [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] but that's just a personal opinion. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] I think [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] I think people like to have a fruit instead of a vegetables in their sitting room. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Uh those are just suggestions and also we need to decide whether this should be printed, so that still has to do with the material discuss should we print the fruit stuff, or should the actual remote look like a fruit? [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Um, and finally again with the spongy. It has to be technologically innovative so maybe again our Industrial Designer should look into that or find [disfmarker] come up with a solution that's better than mine. Um, yeah, to summarise these are the points that need to be um, touched in order to get a good decision, and hopefully our User Interface has more to say about the matter. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] Thank you for your attention. [speaker003:] So. [speaker001:] I think it's the next [disfmarker] it's the blue one, yeah. [speaker003:] Oh, uh, there we go. [vocalsound] Uh. Okay. Um. Well so that fruit and vegetables thing huh. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] I actually wasn't aware of the [vocalsound] new trends in electronics [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] and and uh [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Neither was I. Well it's a trend in fashion, in clothing and um [vocalsound] fabrics. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah but you're not gonna wear your remote control. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] So so okay, let me get this right. Okay, uh [disfmarker] Okay, alright anyway. Um [vocalsound] here we go. Conceptual User Interface. Trying [disfmarker] we're gonna try to talk about, um [vocalsound] what kind of uh [disfmarker] how people are actually going to be using this iPod-ish remote control, based on fruit vegetable design. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] And, um, basically, so, this is a touched ba a touch-based graphical interface system. [vocalsound] Uh, so people are going to be looking at this little screen. Um, kind of [disfmarker] I mean I assume, are we still on the screen idea? [speaker001:] Oh we s hadn't discussed it last time. [speaker003:] 'Cause if we're gonna have to ha if we have this [disfmarker] it just seems like in order to have someone going around and using the um [vocalsound] the wheel [speaker001:] You need a screen for it? [speaker003:] you [disfmarker] it seems like you would need a screen. [speaker002:] You need a screen with music because you're looking for a specific song, like you know that band or whatever. [speaker003:] But like if you think about it [disfmarker] [speaker002:] With TV channels it's, you know, one two three. So [disfmarker] [speaker003:] yeah but if [disfmarker] so is it just [disfmarker] okay. So, b you you're gonna have to switch to like DVD and like other things like that, aren't you? [speaker001:] We're, um, we're actually not having DVD, [speaker003:] Are we [disfmarker] [speaker001:] that was one of th I I was [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] sorry, [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] I I meant to update you on that. Um. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Alright. Okay. [speaker004:] But the screen can come up on the telly, the [disfmarker] she said. [speaker003:] Okay. Okay. [speaker004:] That correct? [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] So anyway if [disfmarker] well we just [disfmarker] we need to [disfmarker] Okay so if we're not gonna have a screen [disfmarker] I think [disfmarker] I was thinking [disfmarker] okay. So basically it's just gonna be a wheel then? And you're just gonna [disfmarker] I mean I think you're gonna have to have some kind of a [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Graphical interface? [speaker003:] right. Yeah [speaker004:] Uh on the [disfmarker] [speaker003:] like you're g [speaker004:] you can have it on the telly though. [speaker003:] yeah [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] like you're gonna have to be able to switch to like a mode where you can [disfmarker] okay we're not choosing that, I guess. But like choose channel control, like if you wa Because people aren't gonna be able to have like, um, you know, channels one two three four five six seven eight nine. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] So that [disfmarker] [gap] [disfmarker] people seems to be [disfmarker] well [disfmarker] [speaker001:] You've [disfmarker] Yeah, I know what you're saying, [speaker003:] You know. [speaker001:] you have to [disfmarker] [speaker003:] But you're gonna have to scroll to get channels. So um [vocalsound] I guess that's wh why I was thinking you may need to have some kind of a screen because [disfmarker] So that people can go arou go back and forth and choose if [disfmarker] or or [disfmarker] then again if you just [disfmarker] I guess [disfmarker] I c I can see like some kind of a thing where like you sort of have like the number come up on the TV like what channel you're on. [speaker004:] Yeah, yeah, yeah. [speaker003:] You can just scroll and you can just get to like five or like twelve or [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah, yeah. [speaker001:] But but imagine someone with s [speaker002:] My flatmates actually had one with a wheel, and it it did show up on the TV. [speaker003:] I oh yeah? [speaker001:] But i what if you have satellite and you have like two hundred channels. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Then to get to channel one eighty nine you have to [disfmarker] [speaker003:] 'Cause you'll have to like [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] They have to r wheel really fast. [speaker003:] but you can quickly s you can [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] But I think the wheel goes through like a hundred channels, [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah, yeah, yeah. [speaker002:] at least on theirs. [speaker003:] Yeah if you do, it w so it would have to be [disfmarker] you [disfmarker] I mean so you basically just kinda need to figure out like what kind of, you know, range we need to have on the wheel, and um [disfmarker] So you're either [disfmarker] you're [disfmarker] you know, th you're either doing this motion to like control the channels or like once once you stop that, you know, you can like tap for, um, different [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] uh, whatchamacallits, different um, you know, functions like volume or, like you can tap just to get to different channels. Like if you just wanted to go to like [disfmarker] from five to six you could tap or someth [speaker001:] Right. [speaker003:] And then there's also the concern about you know um [vocalsound] how do you get to the menu if you wanna change the brightness of your television, or if you want to um [vocalsound] you know switch around, I don't know, like, these different modes like turn on the timer or like something something like that, [speaker001:] Yeah [speaker003:] like [disfmarker] [speaker001:] I mean with that many options, you'd [disfmarker] [vocalsound] uh [disfmarker] I'd think that the screen would be better, because you could have that menu option, sort of [disfmarker] [speaker003:] I would think so too, like [disfmarker] So I mean [disfmarker] and it seems it w it does seem a little silly to have this screen if you hardly are ever using it, you know, because [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] but then again it would [disfmarker] it does make kind of [disfmarker] if the screen's sort of just like an option that, like, is just there and you're not really using it, that's kind of [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] It's more expensive according to the design people. [speaker003:] m yeah. [speaker001:] Uh. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah, that's the only thing though. [speaker002:] You have to get a [disfmarker] an advanced chip if you wanna have a screen in, which is more expensive than the regular chip, which is more expensive than the minimal. [speaker003:] Yeah. So then basically it has to have some way to get to get to a mode on the television where you're doing, um [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] You can get to [disfmarker] you know, you can [disfmarker] Like maybe it'll be that central button [speaker004:] Yeah, yeah, yeah. [speaker003:] that, like, then you hit that and then you can [disfmarker] it brings up like the menu on the TV [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] and you can just scroll around, like, to do the timer, to do the [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah. So the TV is the screen, that [disfmarker] [speaker003:] yeah, yeah. [speaker001:] yeah So it would have all these different options of changing [speaker003:] Yeah. But the remote itself isn't really cluttered up. [speaker001:] to [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Look it even has settings. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] Hmm? [speaker004:] On the [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] you can just take theirs and just [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah, well we don't want the screen I guess, [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] but um [disfmarker] 'cause that just [disfmarker] it does seem like, it [disfmarker] that would be, like, incredibly expensive, but [disfmarker] I dunno, and then [disfmarker] so, it just im really all you need is, like, this little wheel then, and you can control everything. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] So [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Um, right. What if [disfmarker] I mean, if you're thinking of the design of it now, like the a you know, physical attributes, [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] um, and you just have this, it's like just a long silver thing, or whatever we're thinking. I mean are you you gonna have any buttons on that besides power and this thing? Or [disfmarker] [speaker003:] It doesn't seem that you would need anything besides pow I mean and the power button could even be like hold down the menu button for like longer than one second and it turns on the TV. [speaker001:] Yeah. So can we imagine that this would be smaller than the remote controls that you showed us before. I mean [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah. Yeah definitely. Like, I think we're looking at something that could be, like like even maybe like a cir I'm f I'm seeing almost like a circular sort of like handheld like thing. [speaker001:] okay. [speaker004:] Yeah but should be comfortable. [speaker003:] I mean it it needs to be easy to [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] somehow it needs to be easy to like manipulate and use your [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] I mean how do how do [disfmarker] I'm not really [disfmarker] Like when I use an iPod, I end up just kind of using my index finger to like control it. So [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah, I've seen some people just going like that with their thumb, yeah. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yeah. Or your thumb or something. So [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah I use it like that. [speaker002:] W when we had the wheely remote control, we [disfmarker] it was on the top I think, if you held it like that. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah, so [disfmarker] [speaker001:] But, were there buttons on there as well? [speaker002:] Yeah well it had the wheely thing and then it had those eighteen different buttons that I don't know what they do. [speaker001:] Mm. Yeah. [speaker003:] Mm yeah. [speaker002:] So we just used the top part. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah, [speaker004:] Uh. [speaker003:] so [disfmarker] but I mean I think it could be pretty small. Like, I d I mean, you you want it to be large enough that you can [disfmarker] [speaker001:] What if, um, you had like a b a cover that went over buttons that you don't use very much? Like you [disfmarker] so you could slide it up if you needed to like change the contrast or something like that? So the options are there but they're not in interfering with the design and the practicality of it. [speaker003:] But can't you just get [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Do [disfmarker] do you know what I'm talking about though? [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Like, uh, yeah just something [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah like maybe something on the side where you slip a panel down and it's got a whole bunch of [disfmarker] [speaker003:] K [speaker004:] Well you can have it on the settings, [speaker001:] Yeah, that you can flip over, yeah, yeah. [speaker004:] no? [speaker003:] Yeah, But, I mean, do you need that? If if you can get to, you know [disfmarker] if [disfmarker] so long as you're able to bring up the menu on the TV screen. [speaker001:] Yeah I mean I guess that's the thing [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] That keeps it [speaker001:] is is [disfmarker] if w I [disfmarker] [speaker003:] really [disfmarker] [speaker001:] if we can do this, that'd probably be [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah. Uh you wouldn't [disfmarker] I don't [disfmarker] I just don't think you would even need it. [speaker001:] Yeah, yeah. [speaker003:] So [disfmarker] [speaker001:] So I guess we have to look into the, um, like, the programming, how this [disfmarker] how they actually programme these things, and if that's [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Mean [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Oh how they make the menu show up on the TV? [speaker001:] yeah. [speaker003:] I mean you can do it, [speaker002:] I don't know. [speaker001:] I mean it [disfmarker] would y would [disfmarker] that would be [disfmarker] [speaker004:] They already do it. [speaker003:] you [disfmarker] it's [disfmarker] [speaker002:] I believe it's ins it's gotta be inside the TV, not inside the remote. [speaker003:] it doesn't seem that hard. I mean I've never bought a remote. [speaker002:] I'm not sure. [speaker003:] It sounds like this remote's going to be purchased separately from the television, [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] which is a little [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Well they usually are. Well [disfmarker] [speaker003:] My [disfmarker] I've never bought just a remote, like, so I don't I don't really know. [speaker004:] No. [speaker001:] Huh. [speaker003:] But um [disfmarker] [speaker002:] I guess that's right. It always comes with the TV. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] So, um [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] but I mean it's [disfmarker] I've never had a hard time with like my remotes, like bringing up the menu screen if you need to like change the date or whatever, you know. And I don't think that should uh that should be too hard. [speaker002:] Yeah, it [disfmarker] most of the ones we've had have had the menu button, 'cause it's not like you need to have a button access to like change the contrast or something. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] 'Cause it just doesn't come up every day or something. [speaker003:] Yeah. Well so [disfmarker] So, do we need [disfmarker] I dunno. Well I guess we have to you know think about [disfmarker] But I mean you just basically need the output signal you know to be able to bring it up. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Yeah. Okay. [speaker003:] That's what it does anyway. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] But also if you have it on the screen you can actually write everything out, because the problem with buttons is you [disfmarker] like, they have these sort of abbreviations and codes that you're supposed to understand, [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah, you don't know they mean, yeah, [speaker004:] and I never get it. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] it's like [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Never ever. [speaker001:] yeah. [speaker004:] So [disfmarker] [speaker003:] So, but [disfmarker] oh, you mean if we have this screen like the iPod screen? [speaker004:] Well on the telly. [speaker002:] Or on the TV too. [speaker003:] On the telly, okay, yeah. So yeah I think, I mean, I think I think the touch-based graphical interface is a really uh cool idea [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] because you know it is so obnoxious to like have to push those [disfmarker] like okay now I hit this [disfmarker] you know, you have your little guide out and you're like, hit this button twice, like to activate the date. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker001:] And it is technologically innovative in a way, so that fits with the [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah. I guess. And it is trendy, the iPods are [vocalsound] really hot right now, so [disfmarker] [speaker001:] B Yeah. [speaker004:] Did you did you get that pc picture on [disfmarker] did they provide you with that picture on the web? [speaker003:] Um, yeah, by web research, yeah, so [disfmarker] [speaker004:] That's quite interesting. What are we going to do about this vegetable thing that I'm dreading? [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Oh god. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Oh, I was gonna say. [speaker003:] Oh. [speaker002:] You said uh people want spongy. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Um, one of your [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] one of the material options is a sort of rubber that's [gap] in like those stress ball things. So, that would be spongy. [speaker003:] Oh, okay, that would be cool. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Ah. Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Mm. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Just nice feel, but I hate spongy. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah, c that's e that would be kind of [disfmarker] oh, [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] you know, usually like the touch pad things are kind of a hard plastic typ mouse type, you know, thing. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] But what if we ha what if we had like a spongy sort of like stress balley kinda [disfmarker] [speaker001:] I mean definitely the area round it. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] so you're like [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yeah I think it could work. [speaker003:] Or what if we integrated the [vocalsound] the uh the f what if the whole thing about the fruit and vegetables [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] we somehow made it tactilely fash you know, we c tapped into that, so like it feels like [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Don't think I'd want it to feel like a banana. [speaker004:] Well it could be like mobiles that just [disfmarker] you just put a cover. [speaker003:] a vegetable. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] An orange. [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker004:] If it's a small thing, you c instead of creating an object for it that looks like a banana, [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] which frankly I'm not particularly fond of, [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] um you could just have covers and then your mobile f it's like a mobile phone thing. You know you had [disfmarker] there was a time when they had all these different covers for mobiles. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] You could do like the computers where they have like the grapefruit, apple machine and they have like the blueberry, like all the colours are named after fruits. [speaker004:] Yeah, yeah, yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] You could name it after fruits and vegetables, or [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] And it could [disfmarker] the colour can fit your sitting room, so if you have red sitting room you can have strawberry, and then if you have a green one you can have [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] well I don't know. Um. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] So what if [disfmarker] what [speaker003:] So I think [disfmarker] yeah, colours. [speaker001:] [disfmarker] this is [disfmarker] I'm just forming this idea in my head of how this thing is looking. If you have like that stress ball material kind of as what you're actually holding in your hand, so like what you're feeling is comfortable, and then there's more of a hard plastic thing where that thing is. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] And on that hard plastic thing you can change either the colour or the fruit or vegetable that's on there. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Is that kind of [disfmarker] I [disfmarker] 'cause I I'm thinking of silver because those are our company colours. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Um [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Unfortunately they don't have silver fruits and vegetables. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] I do I dunno. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Um [disfmarker] [speaker001:] I mean how are you how are you all envisioning by what we've just [disfmarker] the feedback we've just got about the [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Maybe a ball. [speaker001:] A ball? [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Know, a squashy ball. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] A relaxing squashy ball. [vocalsound] [vocalsound] That you can p [speaker003:] That's in the shape of a fruit, like a [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] well I [disfmarker] see you're thinking, it's weird, you're thinking the opposite of me 'cause you're thinking you change the the hard bit [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] and I'm thinking how do you change the hard [disfmarker] would you put a um sticker sort of? Because I was thinking if you have a cover for the squashy bit, like a [disfmarker] [speaker001:] This is just [disfmarker] Okay. [speaker004:] Oh, okay, yeah. [speaker001:] Say that's the s say that's the squashy bit. Squashy. [speaker004:] Yeah I was thinking of getting a cover for [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] That [disfmarker] see I was thinking this s [speaker004:] Which is cheaper. [speaker001:] sorry [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Well I don't know if it's cheaper actually. [speaker001:] I was thinking this bit here would be the cover and like that's your actual thing. [speaker002:] Oh. Mm. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] And like this [disfmarker] you could have like you could have like cherries and [vocalsound] things around there. [speaker003:] Oh I like that shape. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Um but [disfmarker] [speaker002:] I was thinking sort of a single ball shape. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yeah [vocalsound]. [speaker001:] I was thinking if it was like this [disfmarker] [speaker002:] So you're holding a squishy ball [speaker001:] 'cause the way you were describing the the iPod and the thi the roll thingy [disfmarker] [speaker002:] and then it has a [disfmarker] [speaker003:] It's like it has to be s [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] yeah [vocalsound]. [speaker001:] It's almost like your thumb is farther up, so if if you could squish it lower then [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah I guess so. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. So it wouldn't be very big in either [disfmarker] like how big? This big, and then you just do that, I suppose. [speaker003:] What if, yeah, what if the squishy, [speaker001:] Yeah, I know what you meant, yeah. [speaker003:] oh so so you're saying the squishy part's like detachable, and you can [disfmarker] so so maybe one you know [disfmarker] you can have like the broccoli squishy thing, and then you could have like the banana squishy thing [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] and you could get [disfmarker] you could have your choice, you know? [speaker004:] Well just a li I can't des like condom thingy, like a a cover. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] But [disfmarker] well the question is, which one's easiest to change and we can just contact our relevant department for that, [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] and just see what the cost is for covering that or covering that, [speaker003:] Yeah. Yeah, yeah. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker004:] and for now we can do two prototypes maybe and then hi try and ask users what the best is, [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] and [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] No. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] Oh. [speaker004:] Um. That's nicer. I think it's nicer to have a drawing 'cause it's neater. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Hmm. [speaker004:] Um. [speaker001:] Well that's not very neat, but [vocalsound] [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah. I mean I think uh [disfmarker] and I think the handhe I think the handheld part is definitely [disfmarker] So you could make that into the fruit and vegetable part. [speaker004:] If it's a bit like those juggling balls, you can change shape according to your [disfmarker] to the way you hold it. [speaker002:] Yeah you could squish it. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] If it's got sand in it maybe, or something, you [disfmarker] it it just moulds to your hand. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. So where are the fruit and vegetables now? [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] We we don't know. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Fruits and veg. [speaker002:] I guess they would be either in the colour of that plastic face on the front, or in the colour of the squishy thing underneath. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] And the rest is the company [disfmarker] the company colour's silver? [speaker001:] It was, yeah, silver and yellow. It l it looks like [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] I don't [disfmarker] [speaker003:] We could promote the banana one. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Like [disfmarker] mm. [speaker001:] I mean that's another question, where are we gonna [disfmarker] we we should have the logo somewhere on it. [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. Should also fit the batteries, which we haven't [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Oh yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] I think the batteries would have to go right under the plastic case. [speaker001:] Yeah, [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] th and that would [disfmarker] that [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker002:] Especially if you're switching out the squishy part. Then you need to have the other part just be sort of a single unit that you can snap off. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] Yeah, I think, um it'd be interesting to have the b the squishy bit. The part that you, yeah, can change into the different, you know, trendy vegetables and fruits. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] But uh it [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Well I dunno. You'd spend so much time like squishing it to your own personal hand. Then you'd get a new one and you'd have to do it all over again. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] No but it does it automatically. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Does it automatically? [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] I don't know. [speaker001:] I don't know what the rest of my notes mean because they were made for me. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] But if someone [disfmarker] components concept. Question mark. Energy. Question mark. [speaker002:] That was me. [speaker001:] Was that you? [speaker002:] Yes. [speaker001:] Okay. Oh right right. Yeah. Um, so what d but what do we know about energy? I mean we're gonna use batteries right? [speaker002:] Uh we actually had an option of batteries, solar power, and um a dynamo, [speaker001:] And [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] which is something I don't know what it is. Something to do with torches. [speaker004:] Oh, a dynamo is [disfmarker] ah, [vocalsound] it's a bicycle. It's a bicycle mechanism. It's the en it's like if if something moves, when it moves, it stores energy. [speaker002:] Oh okay. Yeah, the other one was the other one was a kinetic thing where you'd basically have to wind it yourself. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] So I sort of picked battery. [speaker004:] It's quite sweet. [speaker002:] We could have talked about doing a wind-up or a dynamo or a solar power. Um but I think solar power's not available with the rubber case anyways. [speaker001:] I think batteries sound good. [speaker002:] It [vocalsound] it seems a little weird for a living room anyways. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] The dynamo would be interesting [vocalsound]. [speaker001:] What does everyone else think? [vocalsound] [speaker004:] No. But dynamo [disfmarker] the the fact with dynamo is, the moment you move it, it c it [vocalsound] creates energy on its own. [speaker003:] Oh. [speaker001:] What about Kryptonite? [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Which is quite cool. So if you throw it, it's gonna store loads of energy, and you don't need to buy a battery 'cause they're quite f I find them annoying. But we need to find cost. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Don't know the cost. [speaker002:] Didn't have enough data to actually [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Does anyone have costs on the on the web? [speaker002:] All it said was it gave sort of relative, some chips are more expensive than others, sort of things. It didn't give me any actual cost. [speaker004:] Okay. Right. [speaker003:] Hmm. [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker002:] Most of the stuff is pretty cheap though bought in bulk. So I don't think it's that much of a problem. Like the chip is probably the most expensive part. [speaker001:] What does chip on print mean? [speaker002:] Um, for things like remote controls, um, they stamp out a chip, [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Uh-huh. [speaker002:] calculators too I think. Um, so you can mass produce 'em pretty cheap. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] But it's not like a computer, you can't like reprogramme your remo remote controls, it's like stamped onto the chip. [speaker001:] Right. So, chip on print is just [disfmarker] means like that they're mass-produced. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Okay. And case? Uh I guess that's what we've been talking about, [speaker002:] Case is what we were discussing yeah. [speaker001:] yeah. Casing. Yeah. [gap] thinking of like syntactic case and thi [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] um [vocalsound] let's see. Is there anything else we need to [speaker003:] Hmm. [speaker001:] talk about? Oh when we move on, you two are going to be playing with play-dough. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Um, and working on the look and feel of the design and user interface design. And you're gonna be doing protu product evaluation. So you'll get mm m more instructions from your personal coach. [speaker004:] Oh, thank you. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker003:] Cool. [speaker001:] See you soon. Does it matter that I end early? [speaker004:] I [disfmarker] it's strange because [disfmarker] [speaker001:] How how early is it? I didn't get a pop-up thing that said [disfmarker]

[speaker001:] [vocalsound] I just forgot their name, so uh you're i sorry, I just forgot them all. So [disfmarker] [vocalsound] I have to write it down. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker001:] So [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Fine. [speaker001:] Do you know them or [disfmarker] [speaker004:] The names? [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] For for for my sur um [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Jens. [speaker001:] Yeah, no, but your b your surname. [speaker004:] Uh Damman. D A W. [speaker001:] WO da. Okay. [speaker004:] Uh uh M M. I mean M. Double M. [speaker001:] Okay. And what's your name? [speaker002:] Paul Wiezer. Paul Wiezer. [speaker001:] WIES z Z or S? [speaker002:] A E Z zee zee [speaker001:] Uh uh zee [gap]. Okay. [speaker002:] E R. [speaker001:] What's your name? [speaker003:] Uh Martijn. [speaker001:] Yeah, but your surname. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] What? [speaker001:] Your surname. [speaker003:] Uh Abbing. A B B I N G. [speaker001:] Okay, thanks. [speaker003:] I was a little short on time, [speaker002:] Uh. [speaker001:] Yeah, me too, [speaker003:] but [disfmarker] [speaker001:] so that's not [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah, same here. [speaker001:] No no no, I just fi first my [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Oh. [vocalsound] Sorry. [speaker002:] Uh let's see. Which one was mine? [speaker001:] So let's have a look, we have forty minutes, so it's it's more than enough. [gap] Okay, perfect. So we have [disfmarker] Oh no, what's that? So so we have uh forty minutes for this uh for this second meeting, and we have to make uh sure that we going t that we are sure, that we are, [speaker002:] Good. [speaker001:] that we know what we're going to make uh th what the product is going to like [disfmarker] look like. Uh first I have the notes of the last meeting, so I showed uh show them to you. Oh, sorry about that, I just escape this one. How do I escape this? [speaker003:] What? [speaker001:] How do I I escape this s uh presentation? [speaker002:] Uh left. [speaker003:] Uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Ah okay. [speaker003:] Just [disfmarker] [speaker002:] So [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] And show, sorry. Okay, so let's have a look s at this one. Okay, so the f the f the points we had last meeting was the um [disfmarker] Should be a univ uh universal remote control [disfmarker] No, that's [disfmarker] I uh s I just got a email from the from the personal coach and it should be a TV remote control only. So [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] have you changed that part? [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker004:] Okay. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Um so [disfmarker] yeah, it still has to be uh f a r a remote control for kids and elderly. It's it's still the same. Um [disfmarker] All these points uh we have to look at. You all know them. But uh there's another point. The um uh the main uh people of interest of this company are forty plus people. So they're old and not younger people. So we have to look at that as well. 'Specially old people, maybe bi bigger buttons or something, I dunno. [speaker002:] Yeah, okay. [speaker001:] Uh so [disfmarker] So [disfmarker] yeah, that's it, so just you can do your presentation for uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Which one first? [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker001:] Oh it doesn't matter, just start with the [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker004:] Mm. Uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Functional requirements, yeah [speaker004:] Okay. Well my name is Jens Damman, but we're in a group, and I I will start it. Wait. Um I've used a marketing report on uh the site. Uh I think you've uh read it too. Uh and uh f and furthermore I uh surfed the o the other site. [speaker001:] I I didn't read i read it, so it's not for me, [speaker004:] You didn't read it? [speaker001:] I didn't get it uh anyway. [speaker002:] No, I didn don't thing we got it. [speaker004:] Oh okay, [speaker001:] It's only for you. [speaker004:] I I was the only one who get it. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yes. [speaker004:] Okay it was uh uh uh um um [vocalsound] a report about uh an experiment with uh a lot of users. And uh they had a lot of findings in their report uh with statistical uh uh uh thing uh with statistical uh proof. So I um I had three pages with findings and sev a lot of uh a lot of findings. So we can use this uh to uh create our own remote control. Uh seventy five percent of the users find uh most remote controls ugly. Yeah, I think uh uh that's a lot, so we have to make a beautiful remote control. Uh eighty percent of users would spend when uh a remote control will l uh look fancy. I think this fits uh at the [vocalsound] uh what what uh Michael said about uh older people. Older people will uh spend more money uh for uh something uh uh what's good. Because younger people are more critical uh about uh uh where they spend their money money at. Uh seventy five percent uh seventy five percent of the users say they zap a lot. Well okay, that's uh normal. I think uh we we have to make uh good zap buttons. But that's one of our requirements. [speaker001:] The last point is quite an interesting [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yes, fifty percent of users say they only use ten percent of the buttons. Um Martijn alr already said it. [speaker001:] So if we [disfmarker] Yeah. [speaker004:] And uh maybe our uh fold open system is is a good one, but [disfmarker] I don't think it's uh [speaker001:] Yeah, we should have the ten percent on the on the top, [speaker004:] reachable. [speaker001:] then you're you're [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah, the ten percent on the top, yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] That that's a good one. Um uh page two. Remote controls are often lost somewhere in the room. That's exactly what we said about um maybe a home station for uh for it uh to uh recharge the batteries or something. Uh I thought mo maybe we could make a clap system, so when you [vocalsound] clap your hands it will beep or something. Uh you must find it uh quickly. [speaker002:] Uh. Maybe just a button on the home station. So remote control beeps when you click that button on the home station. [speaker004:] Okay, yeah. Yeah, we can uh combine that. Uh it takes too much time to learn how to use a r new remote control. Uh I think we must t uh take a look at this. It's only uh th thirty four of the [vocalsound] thirty four percent. But it's uh a tough one. Because if we make a ha whole new product, our own style, we we c uh this is so difficult, uh a difficulty I think. Uh next, remote controls are bad for RSI. Yeah, but only if they zap a lot, and they watch over five hours TV or something. I don't [disfmarker] We we haven't [disfmarker] Uh we mustn't look too much at uh the last point. Okay, last page. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Uh the last uh experiment uh was about gadgets, like uh speech recognition. We didn't uh think about that already. And uh an LCD on the remote control. We already thought about that. Um uh they finally had a conclusion that younger people um uh under an age of f forty five are uh more interested in new features. And but they're more critical. And older people uh want to spend uh more money. [vocalsound] But uh they uh they don't want to uh have a lot of uh new features, because they're in their old uh thinking way. And they want to keep the old uh things the old things. [gap] [speaker001:] So we have uh a new uh age of forty plus. [speaker004:] But y But you but you already said that the uh company was about uh forty plus uh clients? [speaker001:] People. So yeah, so we just can skip the LCD r on the remote control, [speaker004:] I I think we can speak, uh we can skip speech recognition uh directly, [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] because [disfmarker] [speaker004:] because it's not reachable for twenty five Euros. [speaker001:] Yeah. It's too [disfmarker] Okay. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Um then [disfmarker] I have my personal uh preference. Okay, that's [vocalsound] not very good, because I thought about television, DVD player, stereo and VCR. I had a question about. But it's already out of the question, this. Um my point is, well, I [vocalsound] [disfmarker] If we ma uh make a a remote uh control for only television, I think it's hard to uh sell it for twenty five Euros. But it's the exercise. [speaker001:] Because it's too expensive. [speaker004:] Yeah, only only for television uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah, probably. [speaker004:] On the market you can now buy for twenty Euros a remote control for everything. And we only make it for television, so we mi mm we m must made it make it uh very special. [speaker002:] Yeah, but good usability, so you can use it. [speaker004:] Okay, I told about the home station. Uh it must be simple, because uh our the the elderly people uh needs to use it. And I I found a motto. And we put the fashion in electronics. And that's uh the motto we are uh referenced to uh for our uh our style. We we have to make a [vocalsound] a new product. We have to be um [disfmarker] Yeah. One of a kind, I think. [speaker001:] So it has to look uh uh uh unique, [speaker002:] Unique. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] The company is about our uh th th their own fashion, their own style. [speaker001:] but [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah, I reckon [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah. But old people are not looking for that. [speaker002:] Uh I think mm [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Not really. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] I think the main thing is the usability, that's where we can uh make it a special product. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah, to k to keep it simple when you [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Okay. Yeah. [speaker002:] But uh we also have to stand out, [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Sorry I thought about it, yes. [speaker002:] 'cause there are already, like you said, so many controls out that support lot of stuff. But we have to make sure that we're better usability, and stand out by just looks of it. So make it just a different colour or different shape, [speaker001:] Yeah. Okay. [speaker002:] so [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Okay, this was uh my presentation. [speaker001:] Thanks. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker004:] I don't [disfmarker] Yeah. [speaker001:] So Paul, you can do the next one if you want. [speaker004:] You can ask some questions or something. [speaker002:] Okay. Yeah well [disfmarker] Uh. [speaker001:] It's on the on the uh net net uh thing, [speaker002:] There it is. [speaker001:] isn't it? [speaker002:] Okay. Technical functions design. Okay, well, so we have s mm uh broad audience. Isn't [disfmarker] that isn't true anymore. But um we have elderly people, so we need to keep it simple. Uh the way I want to keep it simple is to use the sen uh standard. So standardised uh methods like uh on all uh remote controls. Not too full, like uh Jens already said, only ten percent is being used. [speaker001:] So what do you think of only the numbers and the on-off button or [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah, I have it on the next page. But yes uh basic functions like numbers and that sort of stuff. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] Um so the options that we put on there should be easy to use, and 'cause you have more room then, and for elderly people big buttons. Uh an icon on it or text on it, so it's very clear what that buttons does. So it doesn't take much time to figure out uh how to use it. Um a way to find out uh what people use is maybe just to use uh questionnaires on the internet or just ask some random people, elderly people what they use, what they want on a remote control [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] to find out. But there is already in a one done. Of functions I could think of. Uh volume, channels, the the basic according to [gap]. Just one two three etcetera. Uh text service options. Um basic on-off. And I found an uh [disfmarker] Could I think of favourites? I always look up the same um pages on text and always have to click the number. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] But if you could make a new option, that you just have to press one button and you get on your [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah, but then you have to remember what favourite is what channel. So you might as well remember the number. Or not? [speaker002:] No y [speaker001:] Maybe i maybe it's too complicated, but not sure [gap]. [speaker002:] Well [speaker001:] It's a good idea, [speaker002:] it's [disfmarker] It was just a thought. [speaker001:] but [disfmarker] [speaker002:] So I'm, I u [disfmarker] I would find it handy, I think, when you just press one button and you get on six six six. [speaker003:] Yeah, okay. But um how can you remember what uh channel uh connects to what favourite button? [speaker002:] Well uh [speaker001:] Uh [gap] [disfmarker] [speaker002:] what I was reading on the page. Uh a remote control just sends commands, basics commands to uh the television. So switch to channel six. [speaker003:] Yeah? [speaker002:] So uh button six says says six. And if you make favourites, it can say six six six in a row. Just numbers. That can be in the in the [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah okay. But uh uh for a user to to remember, if I press that button it goes to that channel. [speaker002:] Well if you said a favourite [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah, but isn't it hard to remember? Like favourite one and [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Uh mayb for me it's [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Well i [speaker001:] If I use my telephone, I never use those buttons to to to call [speaker002:] Never? [speaker001:] sh Never. [speaker003:] No, neither do I. [speaker002:] Oh. Oh are you? [speaker001:] So [disfmarker] And [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Okay now, m maybe not. [speaker001:] If I don't do it, maybe old people [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] No, maybe elderly people uh. [speaker003:] Yeah, I dunno. [speaker002:] Right. They don't like new features. So maybe not. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Um well play, pause. I dunno if that's usable [speaker001:] It's not, it's still not [disfmarker] It's not anymore n uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] when [disfmarker] Not anymore for TV. [speaker001:] [gap] [speaker002:] Right, on off. [vocalsound] I dunno, miss [disfmarker] Did I miss any other buttons, basic buttons? [speaker004:] Um [disfmarker] [speaker002:] I couldn't think of any other, 'specially not for TV. [speaker001:] Just on the front as well. No, that's the only th the only thing you need. [speaker002:] Is [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Uh uh the p uh next and previous. Previous I know, but next channel? [speaker002:] Just the channel um uh [disfmarker] What I mean is uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] I don't thi [speaker004:] Forward. [speaker003:] Li like a web browser, [speaker002:] Six seven eight or five. [speaker003:] so [disfmarker] Oh, okay. [speaker001:] Just very simple. [speaker003:] But uh um there's also a button to uh go to the channel you've been before. Like a web browser back button. [speaker002:] Um I dunno. [speaker001:] Uh [disfmarker] Yeah, [speaker002:] I don't have [disfmarker] Uh I did [disfmarker] [speaker001:] I know what it is, but I think it's all too difficult for old people. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] No. Uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah, I don't think you use that. [speaker003:] Yeah, [speaker002:] Y only when you want to go to [disfmarker] [speaker003:] okay. [speaker002:] Yeah, just use uh when you wanna switch between channels all the time. [speaker001:] And how do you want to uh do it, like if you have a channel above ten? [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Normally you can press one, zero or [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah, I think um f Especially for older peo elderly people use standard buttons. So you have that uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] A ten plus or [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah, the ten plus button. Just uh one one pressing, or quickly after each other. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] To just keep it simple and standard uh features. [speaker003:] Yeah, w wouldn't it be a problem to uh [disfmarker] Because you h have to be fast enough. Maybe the elderly people [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Uh yeah mayb [speaker004:] It gets some seconds. [speaker002:] But I think that's in the TV as well. That's how the uh the TV TV handles it. But you can have a button that says um two two st two stripes. [speaker004:] Yeah, [speaker003:] Oh okay. Yeah. [speaker004:] it's it's no it's not a [disfmarker] [speaker002:] So you have uh like a five seconds period to press those two buttons. [speaker003:] Yeah, but that's th mm [disfmarker] [speaker004:] It's what Paul says. It's not a remote control uh uh that um uh makes the TV um do one two. It's the TV who depends that it must be two seconds or three seconds or one second that you must uh type one or two. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker002:] So if you have a universal TV controller, you needed one button that has two uh stripes. [speaker003:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker002:] So we have a a period of, I dunno, five seconds to press those buttons, and that [disfmarker] And not for elderly people to look, one two uh press and aim and [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] But do we still need a two level remote control? Because if we only have that l only f [speaker004:] It's only for television now. [speaker002:] So I I don't think so. [speaker001:] No. [speaker004:] No. [speaker002:] Uh I just thought of another one. Most things in modern TVs are also on the menu. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] So you also need a menu button. And then uh navigation uh [disfmarker] But we can integrate that with volume and previous and next, [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] so you have [speaker003:] I I think you ha really have to divide between functions you often use, like um uh m maybe uh switch channels and uh volume and k that kind of things, and uh the menu button. [speaker002:] four arrows. [speaker003:] Because you n almost never use menu button. [speaker002:] Yeah, okay, [speaker003:] So [disfmarker] [speaker002:] but um [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Maybe it's still still a good idea, I'm not sure. You'll also have to use a mute button to to [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah, a mute button. Yes. [speaker001:] Maybe, not [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Don't think so. [speaker001:] I don't know where where you have to put it. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yeah well, that's that's [disfmarker] I think that's the layers that produce. Now I have to figure out what's uh what to put on. What we're gonna use. [speaker001:] Okay. Yeah. Yeah. That's right. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker002:] And later we can d uh do the design. Okay, uh now my personal preferences. Uh using the standards, basic [disfmarker] Um I think that we should stand out uh unique, being unique with the design. So we have to, I dunno, uh make a different shape than usual. So when you are in the shop and you see our TV controller hanging, that it stands out. Not just in in the row when you see all the same uh remote controls. [speaker001:] Yeah. Does it have to be [disfmarker] Uh it has to be uh with different colours [speaker002:] Um [disfmarker] I dunno. Different colours um [disfmarker] [speaker001:] or [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Maybe we can give it out in different colours. You can choose blue or yellow [speaker001:] It's like a iMac or something. [speaker004:] or [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Just to make it [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Yeah. Well why not? Or [disfmarker] Yeah. [speaker004:] That's fa That's fancy. That's uh fashion. [speaker001:] But it looks cheap as well, because it's a small thing. It's only twenty five Euros. It looks very cheap if you make it [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Well, maybe you can look at uh mobile phones. [speaker001:] Oh, you just [disfmarker] I dunno what happened. [speaker002:] Oh. [speaker004:] [gap] [speaker002:] Who? [speaker001:] Yeah, we have to look at mobile phones, that's right. [speaker002:] They they're uh designed very well. [speaker001:] Just [disfmarker] [speaker002:] And well basically are the same, just a bit smaller. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] You think you can't make a TV controller too small, 'cause then you will always lo always lose it. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] But uh well, I think that's a good example. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker001:] Okay, [gap] we hurry up a bit, because otherwise we won't make it. [speaker002:] Okay, sorry. [speaker001:] Is it fin [speaker002:] Well uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Are you finished? Okay. [speaker002:] Yeah, I I'm finished. I think we discussed everything. [speaker003:] Okay. Well, the working design. The method I used is uh search the web. Just the web page provided. Um [disfmarker] Basically I'm I'm not very technical uh uh educated, but uh I could figure it out. Um basically what happens is you press a button, uh then a circuit gets closed by pressing the button, uh like a switch. And by closing that certain circuit, the chip knows uh what bu button is pressed. So like you press a one, that circuit is closed and uh [disfmarker] Then the chip produces a pattern. Like a Morse code to uh [disfmarker] And and sends that to the uh LED. That's the uh light emitting diode, I think. Um and the light emitting diode is uh producing infrared light. That's un uh invisible to the human eye. And uh transmit that uh to the TV. However it has also an uh a visible uh diode that's uh blinking red if you look in it. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] And that's uh another diode, I believe. Because infrared is not visible. So that's er uh do two different things [speaker001:] So we we also have to have a LED li LED light on it? [speaker003:] but [disfmarker] Yeah. I I think so. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Uh j Is [disfmarker] [speaker003:] I I'm not sure if it's the same thing. [speaker001:] Yeah, it's [disfmarker] I think it's usable. [speaker002:] Ain't it just to to indicate that it's transmitting? [speaker004:] Yeah, that's active. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] So [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Or just a green one, because it's [disfmarker] If you use it, it's green or the red, it's r green. [speaker002:] Yeah. Maybe uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] I I think it's in the case that it's active. It's not uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah, when you press it. [speaker001:] Yeah, that's right. But if you [disfmarker] [speaker003:] So [disfmarker] [speaker004:] I it's it's just uh the the [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Two? [speaker001:] Red's l shows up like something's wrong, and green is like it's okay, you press the button. [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker003:] Yeah, I dunno. [speaker002:] Maybe depends on uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Ma on on most on most uh uh remote controls it's red. [speaker001:] Yeah, I know. [speaker003:] So [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yes. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Okay, we make it red. [speaker003:] So [speaker002:] But maybe [disfmarker] [speaker003:] I know. [speaker002:] Well we don't have to make it red. Maybe integrate it in the design as well. [speaker001:] You have to [disfmarker] The whole the whole uh remote control becomes uh green if you press the buttons. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] I I think uh the batteries will be uh [vocalsound] a little [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Uh that's cool. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Uh [vocalsound] [disfmarker] Oh, [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Empty. [speaker002:] maybe it's it is would an e No. Just uh [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] No, we have a recharger in it, [speaker002:] Oh. [speaker001:] so [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah, okay. Uh maybe. [speaker001:] If we can still make that then [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yeah, but it doesn't have to be red. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] It's just to indicate something's on. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. That it's working. That it's not not the batteries are low. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] But it's cool if it was green. [speaker002:] It's it's not very important, [speaker001:] Green or red or whatever, it is cool. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] so yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah, I know. Just to indicate it's working. [speaker002:] So mm [disfmarker] [speaker003:] And uh the receptor in the TV senses the pattern. So we have to understand what patterns are used to, you know, to make it universal. So that it can be used with all the TVs. We have to really understand what patterns are used, so we can uh o On the [disfmarker] Otherwise it won't work. [speaker002:] So we have to uh make buttons for that as well, to make it uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] No. I I uh [disfmarker] The chip um uh is producing the pattern. So we have to make a chip that produces patterns to, y you know, to [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker004:] An automatically search function for each television, or something. [speaker003:] Yeah. That are working. Yeah, or [disfmarker] I dunno how it's uh exactly how it works. It wasn't explained there. [speaker002:] Well, [speaker004:] Uh I kno [speaker002:] I I use a universal uh remote control, and [gap] list of all the TVs you have, etcetera. And you have to put in a number, [speaker003:] Yeah? [speaker002:] so it works on your TV. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker004:] Oh, I have a modern one. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] And the modern one you you uh you type uh search, [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] and the LED began to blink blink blink. And uh uh uh after uh a short time the television turns off. And then you know, oh it it's the right one. And you can stop it, and then it's okay. [speaker003:] Ah okay. [speaker004:] So you don't have to search for your television or your code. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker004:] It uh search uh the pattern for itself. [speaker003:] Okay, yeah. [speaker002:] Okay, so we use that. [speaker003:] So it uh [disfmarker] We have to make a a s a bit more intelligent chip than the standard one. [speaker004:] Yes. [speaker003:] Because you have to [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yep. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] I just say [disfmarker] Can you s just say it again, because I was just looking [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Uh okay. Well uh [speaker001:] There's just a short [disfmarker] [speaker003:] y you have this chip. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] That's uh when the circuit is closed, it produces the pattern. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] But uh ma basically for uh brands of TV these patterns are different. So like when you press a one on one TV it go go to one. And on the other TV it won't work, basically. So uh basically what you have to do is uh get these patterns right. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] And uh by d uh that can be done by uh just uh cha yeah, changing this pattern all the time. [speaker004:] Changing the signal. [speaker003:] And um [disfmarker] What he's doing when he's configuring this pattern, this chip, uh is trying to switch off the television. And when it's uh switched off, you can push a button as uh it's working now, so [disfmarker] And then he saves that setting [speaker001:] Okay. Yeah. [speaker003:] and then um it's working. [speaker004:] Yeah, that's the right uh option. [speaker003:] Okay. Well uh the components. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah, that's a bit technical, and I hadn't [disfmarker] I w I was a little short on time. Um but I think I understand it. Um the energy source is uh the battery, basically. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Um that's connecting to all the components. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Because it has to be fed with energy. Okay. Uh the subcomponent is uh w I I think it is uh the button pressed. So basically when you press a button, a switch get closed. Um that's connecting to a chip. So the chip knows what button you pressed. And the chip sends out uh the pattern to the infrared bulb. I didn didn't put the description by this one. Th this is a normal bulb. So the normal flashing light. [speaker001:] Okay. So that's the LED, LED. [speaker003:] Yeah. Yeah, [speaker004:] [gap] [speaker003:] and this is a LED too. But this one is producing infrared light [speaker001:] Yeah, okay. [speaker003:] that's invisible. And this one is producing normal light. [speaker001:] So we can make the normal one also a normal light. Not a LED light, but as a normal one. [speaker003:] Yeah [disfmarker] [speaker001:] To flash up your [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Uh if you if you use the buttons, uh both of them works. But one you can't see and one indicates that you use a button. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah, presu Yeah yeah yeah. Because uh when you button press a button and it doesn't work, it can [disfmarker] Basically if the battery is low, it won't work. [speaker004:] Yeah. Yeah, and [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Maybe you have to uh put uh a small light around the button you push. So you see green if you push that button. [speaker003:] Huh, that's a good idea. [speaker004:] Mm I think it's unnecessary power uh you use then. [speaker001:] Yeah, but if you u if you do that, you know that you're uh sending a signal. [speaker002:] No, y Yeah. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker001:] And it's [disfmarker] you also know which button you p [speaker004:] But then have to be on the in the all uh remote control have to be LEDs. [speaker001:] Yeah, that's right. But it [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Everywhere in the r [speaker001:] But does it make any difference for the energy you use? You got still one LED. [speaker002:] No I don't think so, but [disfmarker] Yeah, i it it will look different, and I think we need to find something else. [speaker001:] That looks different, yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Hmm. [speaker002:] 'Cause otherwise we will just make another standard, and our uh motto also is [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Is LEDs uh beneath the the buttons? [speaker002:] Yeah, w around the buttons, or in the buttons even. [speaker004:] Yeah, okay. [speaker003:] Yeah, but mm like when you push it [speaker002:] [gap] Yeah, then then won't [disfmarker] Then you won't see it. [speaker003:] n n Yeah. You have your finger over the button. So you can see [disfmarker] [speaker004:] It must be around it then. [speaker003:] Yeah. Or or m maybe on top of the [disfmarker] A green light is flashing [speaker004:] Yeah, then [disfmarker] Yeah. Not not not not here, but here. [speaker003:] or [disfmarker] Yeah. There. Yeah. [speaker004:] Maybe uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [gap] [speaker001:] The same as a telephone, or a mobile phone, or what do you mean? [speaker002:] Yeah, we're thinking about it. Uh on a mobile phone, in the dark uh [speaker001:] If you push [disfmarker] It lights up. Everything lights up. [speaker002:] everything lights up. [speaker001:] That's a good idea. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Why ain't that on a remote control? [speaker001:] It it only takes a l a little energy and it's not that much. [speaker002:] Yeah, if uh a mobile phone a phone can do it, it's [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] It's f Yeah. Maybe that's a good idea for old people as well. [speaker002:] Yeah, i if you're in the dark, you can't see the remote. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] It's only few LEDs. Only four or something. Four LED. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] No, I dunno. But if we use a battery station, which I think we will use [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah, I uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah, that's a good idea, okay. [speaker003:] Yeah. We'll have enough power to [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Everything agre Everyone agrees with that, or [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] Yep. [speaker004:] Maybe what Paul said, uh under the [disfmarker] on the on the home station, uh a button to uh to call your uh remote control, that it beeps. [speaker001:] Yeah, and then you [disfmarker] Okay, yeah. [speaker002:] And also it's [disfmarker] [speaker001:] But you have to make a sound device in it then. [speaker004:] Yeah, there must be sound in it. [speaker003:] Hmm. [speaker001:] But [disfmarker] Yeah. [speaker002:] Okay, [speaker004:] I dunno. [speaker002:] it shouldn't take much [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah. B maybe it's that that's a little too hard to make. Especially for that kind of money. Because it's i it has to be [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Mm uh, twenty five Euros, I think we can make it. [speaker002:] Uh I th [speaker003:] Yeah. Production cost is uh t uh twelve and a half. [speaker004:] Bec Twelve and a half, okay. But but we only have to make it for television, and um we must have something special. [speaker003:] Yeah, okay. [speaker002:] I think uh you also have uh [vocalsound] remote controls with a lot of options. [speaker004:] So [disfmarker] [speaker002:] But we lose about ninety percent of those options. So I think you can uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Uh. We have to give our customers some extras. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah, okay. [speaker002:] I think we will save money with that. [speaker001:] Okay. Are you almost finished or just [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah, the the personal preference, I didn't fill it out. Because I was short on time. [speaker001:] Okay. Okay. No worry. [speaker003:] But um [disfmarker] Basically what we could do too is uh have a Bluetooth uh integration. [speaker001:] Yeah, I just want to talk some [disfmarker] about some more. So maybe you have to [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah? [speaker001:] Yeah? [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker001:] Okay. So this [disfmarker] Oh, sorry. Wh what's that? So uh [disfmarker] Oh, sorry. We have some new uh project requirements. We have to have a look what they are. They're still in um [disfmarker] Uh teletext has become outdated since the popularity of internet. So a teletext option, maybe we have to skip that one. I'm not sure. I don't think so, [speaker003:] No, [speaker004:] No. [speaker003:] and I I think a lot of people use uh teletext, still use. [speaker001:] but [disfmarker] Yeah, and it's it's on your comp it's on your television. It's only one button. So I don't think it is [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Uh. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Hmm. [speaker001:] We definitely should use it. Um [disfmarker] Yeah, that's uh what I told you. The remote control should only be used for a television. So that's maybe easier. And um the the forty plus people, I already told you. Oh no, sorry. Oh, this is a problem. Oh sorry about that. The new product should reach a new market with customers are the younger than forty. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker001:] So it should be flashy or just more interesting. [speaker003:] Oh. Mm. [speaker002:] Okay, that's [disfmarker] It changes things. [speaker001:] I'm sorry about that. I just I just didn't read it well. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] So does it make some decision about that? [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Changes. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker002:] Um [disfmarker] [speaker003:] That kinda changes the whole situation. [speaker004:] Uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Well yeah, then we have to make some nice features. I think uh the thing in the dark is a good way, to make it more like a mobile phone. More modern. [speaker001:] That still stays. Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] That's important I think and [disfmarker] [speaker004:] LCD doesn't work for uh twelve and a half Euros I think. [speaker002:] And I d I don't don't think it's very usable in a remote control, especially when you only have TV functions on it. [speaker004:] Oh. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Mm ah [disfmarker] [speaker002:] So [disfmarker] [speaker003:] I I don't y you'll use it often, because you can see on the television wh what channel you [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Oh, I'm watching uh the channel one. Okay. [vocalsound] No, it's not [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah, I tho I think that's not usable. [speaker003:] No. [speaker002:] So, but uh [disfmarker] Yeah. What other features can we put in? [speaker003:] Yeah. I think you you have to make it a bit flashy and and popular. And uh then the usability is not that required, because the [disfmarker] Like in the mobile phones, usability is not that good I think. [speaker004:] But uh some of you had uh something to read about um [vocalsound] uh speech uh recognition. About you said one and the television turns on one. Is that reachable maybe? That's very [disfmarker] That's fancy. That's cool. [speaker003:] I didn't read [disfmarker] [speaker002:] It's very fashion. [speaker003:] I didn't read any [speaker004:] Twelve and you've got twelve. [speaker003:] b Yeah. Yeah okay. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker004:] Only the numbers, only numbers. Uh furthermore nothing. But only the numbers, one to twenty or something. [speaker003:] I I know. Mm. [speaker004:] That should be cool. [speaker001:] Yeah, maybe we have to integrate that as well. If it's possible. [speaker004:] If it's possible, [speaker001:] But [disfmarker] [speaker004:] I dunno. [speaker003:] Yeah, I don't know. [speaker004:] I didn't read it. [speaker001:] I don't think it's very expensive actually. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] Why should it? [speaker004:] Uh if i if i [speaker002:] Yeah, I think it's [disfmarker] [speaker001:] You only have a microphone in it. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] I didn't have information about that. [speaker003:] But it has to work. And and and does it have to work only in English, or in Dutch too or [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Nah, maybe [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Ah that's a problem, but [disfmarker] [speaker003:] And and uh w Yeah? [speaker004:] Uh only in English. Only in English I think. [speaker002:] What [disfmarker] But uh I dunno how that works then. Uh does your uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah, it's probably my job to figure that out, [speaker002:] Does it lie in the centre of the room and can you scream from wherever [speaker003:] but [disfmarker] [speaker004:] No, [speaker002:] uh one to have in channel one? [speaker004:] that [disfmarker] Yeah, then th we have to think about that. But do [vocalsound] do we do it? It's more if we if we do it. [speaker002:] Yeah, I dunno. So, is it very usable? That's what I'm looking at. [speaker003:] And and do you have to speak in in like in a thing [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] or [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Is [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Maybe maybe it's too hard to uh to realise that. It [disfmarker] We have short time to to put it on the market, [speaker003:] Yeah, I dunno. [speaker001:] so that [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker001:] We have to do a lot of testing before we can do that. [speaker002:] Mm [disfmarker] Yeah well [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah, I think so. [gap] [speaker001:] We make uh make uh, we can make th th the new remote control very flashy. [gap] [speaker004:] Yeah, and uh and uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] It's [disfmarker] [speaker004:] In uh indeed uh the languages are a difficult thing. Uh because we we have a lot of languages. [speaker002:] I d [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. I don't think it's uh useful enough to take the effort to design something with uh speech recognition. [speaker003:] And and [disfmarker] Yeah, [speaker001:] Yeah. I think so. [speaker003:] and also if if you have a good speech uh speech recognition, you can just throw the uh [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah. A uh someone says that uh give me one Coke, and the TV turns uh to one. [speaker003:] the remote away. Mm. Hmm. Mm. Yeah, okay. [speaker004:] Yeah, it's not uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah. Well yeah, that's the right command. And then you have to say uh TV channel one, or something. Not just one, [speaker003:] But [disfmarker] Hmm yeah, TV one. [speaker002:] but [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Okay, but th that becomes your f Uh uh because that's very hard for uh speech recognition. [speaker002:] Well [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] I dunno. But I don't think, it just ain't useful enough. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] So we have to make some decisions. So you can see on the uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Okay, no speech recognition. [speaker001:] So we have to know what we're going to put on. Do we, do we make uh a light under the under the n under the numbers and everything? Do [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah, I think so. [speaker001:] If you press something, it lights up for a few seconds, so you can see what other but buttons there are, okay? [speaker003:] Yeah, that's good. [speaker002:] Yep. [speaker001:] Okay, we just take that one. And what else, we have [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Also the one in the dark. So uh [disfmarker] It lights up when it's dark? [speaker001:] Yeah, [speaker002:] I didn't [disfmarker] [speaker001:] but it's [disfmarker] Oh th I thought would, that that would be the same. If you push something, it it all lights up. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker004:] Yeah. Yeah yeah, [speaker002:] Yeah, but um [disfmarker] [speaker004:] it it mustn't work all the time. [speaker002:] Yes, that's what I mean. [speaker004:] It uh uh it have to work only when you use it. So if you [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Or you can switch it on or something. [speaker004:] No, [speaker002:] Or maybe when you [disfmarker] [speaker004:] if you use one button, it must turn uh on for twenty seconds, and then it must turn off. [speaker002:] yeah. It lights up all. [speaker001:] Yeah, that's right. You have to [disfmarker] Yeah, that's right. That's what I said. [speaker002:] Okay yeah. [speaker001:] It's the same as the telephone. Yeah. [speaker002:] D Yeah, alright. Yeah. [speaker001:] And do we use a a [disfmarker] Uh what's it called? Like a iMac, [gap] if you can look through it. Or just a normal remote control. [speaker002:] Maybe just as an option, w like we discussed, like iPod. [speaker003:] Mm, maybe it's a good idea. [speaker002:] Different colours, uh maybe use even different fonts. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Oh yeah. [speaker002:] Like uh phones. [speaker001:] Different colours. Okay, so y you just make it th through [disfmarker] You look through it? [speaker003:] Hmm. [speaker004:] A see-through. Mm, that's cool. [speaker002:] Yeah. Uh as an option maybe. [speaker001:] Okay. And so the buttons we have, this is, yeah, this is normal. We put in the the simple buttons on the top, [speaker002:] It's the standard [disfmarker] [speaker001:] and probably the the the more complicated buttons down there. [speaker002:] Yeah, uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] But you have [disfmarker] You had a lot of different buttons. [speaker002:] Yeah, we but we don't [disfmarker] We don't really have any complicated buttons. [speaker003:] Hmm. [speaker001:] Yeah, maybe you have you have to [disfmarker] Uh when you use teletec teletext, you can press a green or a red button to go to the next one, or to go to the previous one. [speaker002:] Yeah okay, but [disfmarker] Yeah, well w I think the buttons are very easy. With just uh standard buttons we just have so little [disfmarker] [speaker001:] O but maybe you can put um the g the options of teletext on the second level of the remote control. [speaker002:] No, I don't need don't need [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Because you ne almost never use it. [speaker002:] Uh teletext options are only four buttons or something. [speaker003:] Yeah, but younger people I think um more often use the internet and elderly people often use teletext. [speaker001:] Yeah, that's right. [speaker003:] So uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] I use teletext as well. [speaker004:] No, I use te teletext every day, I think. [speaker003:] Hmm. Okay. [speaker001:] Yeah. For me too, it is. So we just keep it one level then? [speaker002:] Yeah yeah, one level. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker002:] And I think, uh 'cause um we don't have that many buttons, I think the design is most important. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] You can d uh integrate the buttons in the design very much. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] 'Cause [gap] simple buttons. If you put one above it, it's clear. [speaker001:] Okay. Okay. So that's it for toda for [disfmarker] We're going to have a lunch lunch break. Um [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] How long is lunch break? [speaker001:] So yeah, you know what you have to do. This is uh this is it. You get your meal and everything, so [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Trendwatching. Okay. That's fine. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yo. [speaker001:] So, we're finished for t for this time. We're going to have some lunch. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Bye. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [gap] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [gap] [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [gap] [speaker002:] [gap] [speaker004:] Mm. Uh. [speaker002:] [gap] [speaker004:] [gap] [speaker001:] [gap] [speaker003:] [gap] [speaker004:] [gap] [vocalsound] [gap]

[speaker001:] So we are here to talk about functional design. Now hopefully we've all got a better idea from [vocalsound] [disfmarker] than we did f leaving the last meeting as to what it is we are up to now. So here's an agenda. Uh I'll open. Um you should know that I'll be taking minutes during all the meetings, as I was struggling to our last time uh and that'll be easier for me now because I'm not actually giving the whole presentation. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Uh the additional points are just the stuff that we sent and that I forwarded on from upper management having a few bright ideas to make our lives painful. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Um [vocalsound] now [vocalsound] you can all give your presentations. We can talk about the requirements and hopefully come to some decisions. [vocalsound] Right, forty minutes for this meeting, so a bit more time than the last one. Here's the additional points I just wanted to put those in there to see if you guys had any comments on them. Uh did you all receive that email? [speaker002:] Yep. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] So does anyone have any overall [gap] [speaker004:] Well [vocalsound] uh what comes up for me is that if we're gonna if we're gonna be marketing a product that is going to be uh having [vocalsound] no teletext, people are very comfortable [vocalsound] with [vocalsound] the idea of having teletext and using teletext, and so we're not [disfmarker] we're gonna be a new product without something that people are very comfortable having right now. [speaker001:] Mm. Mm. Yep. [speaker004:] So that's, from a marketing perspective I I see I see a lack. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker004:] And so we have to go, I think, in the other direction. What are we gonna have that makes this thing better than [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Well tha that first point could uh also be an op opportunity because in seeing that teletext is becoming outdated, some sort remote control that can work with the Internet [disfmarker] [vocalsound] there is the opportunity that's presented, I guess. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Right. Yeah. No, I I agree with you. So what I'm talking about is I see that one side we're eliminating something so we have to come up with another side [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] which is, what are we gonna be targeting our market uh that [vocalsound] identifies our product as better than [disfmarker] because it doesn't have teletext it has ta-ta-ta-ta-ta. So that's that's that was my reactions. [speaker001:] Okay. Yeah. but but we are sort of being dictated that this should only be for the television. [speaker004:] Yeah yeah. [speaker001:] So we're quite fixed. [speaker004:] Yep. [speaker001:] So we're really probably, in terms of marketing, are looking for that's uh that's a cost winner rather than a fantastic new feature product. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yeah bu but we we're designing only the remote, [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] we not design the TV. [speaker001:] Hmm. [speaker003:] So uh we're gonna be removing the teletext out of any TV that we [disfmarker] people use our remote with. [speaker004:] Yeah. 'Kay. That's right. [speaker001:] Hmm. [speaker004:] I think we take with you. [speaker003:] So it's kind of a stupid decision. [speaker001:] But there's also the potential for mark there's a market here for our lost teletext. [speaker002:] Right. [speaker001:] For example someone that just goes to the shop that wants a replacement [disfmarker] wants it as [vocalsound] cheap as possible. Twenty-five Euros is the selling price, we really have to innovate here I guess. [speaker004:] That's what I'm that's what I'm talking about is is that we have to find something that is gonna be very attractive about this product 'cause somebody, some people are gonna be hap unhappy 'cause it took [disfmarker] they can't ac access their teletext. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker004:] Okay. 'Cause we're talking about [vocalsound] eighty percent or ninety percent or ninety-five percent of the televisions out there are are teletext. [speaker001:] K yeah. [speaker004:] So so it's it's not that I'm criticizing the product at all. It's just when we eliminate that then what do we bring? What are we bringing in to take the place of this, and we have to d [disfmarker] in my opinion we have to double up. [speaker001:] Mm 'kay. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] If we lose one we need to bring two or three. [speaker001:] Okay. Okay I think that the [vocalsound] last point is probably quite uh straightforward. Obviously the the [disfmarker] w it has to be branded. [speaker003:] So then the double R will be our our [disfmarker] [speaker001:] 'Kay. On the product yeah. [speaker002:] I think one of [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Can you handle that black and yellow? [speaker003:] I tho I tho I thou I think Rol Ro Rolls-Royce might mind, but don't worry. [speaker002:] I think w, yeah, one of the things that we should also keep in mind um when we're doing this [disfmarker] I mean our company's slogan is we put the fashion in electronics, right. So I think our kind of [disfmarker] our target here is to [vocalsound] have some kind of very like sleek [vocalsound] nice look remote and we want it to be functional as well, but I think one of the main selling points is that we don't want it to be clunky like like this thing here. You know we don't wanna a big clunker. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker002:] We want something that looks nice and it's fashionable and so [disfmarker] [speaker004:] So you have this? [speaker001:] Nah. So we have three presentations, and I think we'll go in order of participant number here. So we can have a look at the working design first from participant two. That's [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yes. [speaker001:] [gap] Okay. [speaker002:] That's fine. Okay so [speaker001:] Mm it's enough. But uh click it on off? [speaker002:] so you all know me, I'm the Industrial Designer. And we've some basic components that um our remote is gonna need, just basically every remote'll need 'em. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] We need some kinda of power d power source. Um we have to decide on our our user interface, which is his department, but the in user interface is also a major component. Um we need a programmable digital signal processor to um to take the input from the user and translate that into uh into electronic signal, which we pass to the infra-red LED, which you aim at the television uh which [disfmarker] and it receives that signal. You need a on-off switch um I don't know how that got in there. And uh we also need to um have the [vocalsound] [disfmarker] if we want a universal remote we need to have encryption codes for the different makes of TVs. So we need to know all the different you know all the different signals and so that'll require some memory as well. Um so here's just a basic layout of how how the remote would work. You ha the v the power source is in the upper right-hand corner there, and you can see that uh we have the user interface here which is connected to the chip which does all our signal processing, and then passes that signal on to the infra-red LED and that signal is then emitted and received by the television at the photo-transistor. So [vocalsound] those are the basic components that need to go into this and everything else is pretty much uh open to move around. [speaker004:] Now is [disfmarker] would this be [vocalsound] considered just a standard uh um [disfmarker] [speaker002:] I think any des [speaker004:] This is not this is not cutting edge technology we're talking here. We're talking about existing technology. [speaker002:] No. Right I think [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Nothing is being modified or upgraded or new discoveries. [speaker002:] Yeah this is just [disfmarker] this is just a basic layout of ev [vocalsound] of all the components that w w are gonna be absolutely necessary f to have a working remote. We can add things in like if we wanted some voice recognition, I mean that [vocalsound] I mean [vocalsound] that you can kinda say would [vocalsound] would fall under the user interface and the digital signal processing chip. [speaker004:] Okay. Okay. [speaker001:] Do we have an idea of costs of different components? [speaker002:] Um well the most the most costly components are gonna be the chip and the uh th it could als basically the user interface and the casing are gonna be expensive as well. Um the LED and the the transistors and everything else are you know they're they're pretty cheap. [speaker001:] 'Kay. [speaker002:] So depending on what we want our functionality to be, um the chip could be expensive or it could be cheap. Um depending on the n amount of memory we need in there and stuff like that and h and h [vocalsound] you know how much power. [speaker001:] Mm 'kay. Do we have any ballpark figures for that yet? No. [speaker002:] Uh I don't have any figures right now. [speaker001:] 'Kay. [speaker002:] We uh we have to wait until we get to a more specific design phase for that. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] N okay. [speaker002:] Um but [disfmarker] and I think a significant part of the cost could be the actual the actual casing itself and and you know the the b the buttons and things like that, I think. [speaker004:] Mm. Mm the shell? [speaker002:] Yeah. Basically yeah. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] So yeah. That's all I have really. [speaker001:] Okay. Thanks. And we have participant three, which I believe is Pedro. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] I [disfmarker] [speaker001:] I can give you that to click on. [speaker003:] Hey mouse. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Open. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] And you wanna get [disfmarker] [speaker003:] When we're fighting over it's also more [disfmarker] lot more fun. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] View a slide show, that's what you wanna do, yeah? Just go up to view. [speaker003:] Uh. [speaker002:] Click, don't [disfmarker] Yeah. [speaker001:] Mm 'kay [speaker003:] This doesn't work. [vocalsound] So yeah function design. Um you guys know me, Pedro, and um what I found is we want to do fashion and I think, honestly, we should keep technology low and just simple basically and try to aim for design. If basically a case will will cost the same if it looks good or bad so we ma we have to make it look good. Um something cute and small. The big chunky remotes are died in the eighties. So we should just go for something that people will like to actually look at. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] And um although mo most people will buy s televisions and everything for uh [disfmarker] that have loads of loads of little functions and everything and they mostly end up using simple functions and little things and most the people won't won't get too mad of actually having to go the [disfmarker] to the s to the television to, for instance, tune in their [disfmarker] the stations. There's no need to have that in the remote. So um um as for what I would recommend for uh the the interface design, and uh I will change the colours on the on the logo, but [vocalsound] um we should go for the user-oriented device, so simple controls and good ergonomics. Um and uh although I th I th I'm still here recommending the teletext so I'll remove that, I guess, but um we should go for the [disfmarker] [speaker001:] But I t I think what the [vocalsound] the management recommendation was less that there's a worry that teletext will become outdated rather than we shouldn't have it. So I I still think if it's cheap enough functionality-wise to include, it really should be in there. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Because otherwise we're just going to [disfmarker] I mean [vocalsound] even if it's necessary or not, if you [disfmarker] if you're given the choice between a t a remote with teletext or without uh when it really [disfmarker] if it i [vocalsound] if it isn't more expensive for us to k make [disfmarker] because as far as I understand it, [vocalsound] it can be operated with the same set of buttons, yeah? [speaker002:] Right as far as [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker001:] So it should be in there. [speaker002:] i it's just uh [vocalsound] the cost of an extra button. I mean software-wise there's really no difference. [speaker001:] Yeah. Okay. Isn't [disfmarker] [speaker002:] I think. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] I have maybe a silly question. I [disfmarker] in the very beginning it said with the with the advent of computers there's gonna be the [disfmarker] it's gonna be out-moded teletext. I I don't understand how those two things are connected. How does how does computers and teletext [disfmarker] h how [disfmarker] why is one eliminating the need of the other? I don't understand that. [speaker001:] Well maybe what we're getting into here is the the idea of uh Internet through the TV for example. So that might play on what we can do. [speaker003:] Yeah the they're basically aiming at saying that [vocalsound] you would use [disfmarker] you know a couple of years ago teletext to be the easiest way to check like for uh uh the scheduling and the next programme and stuff like that [speaker002:] Scheduling. Um to find out what what you're watching even if there's commercials you know. [speaker003:] and now [disfmarker] Yeah [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker003:] and now you can c look it over Internet. But I still think teletext is way more convenient until until we have the same commodities. [speaker002:] I think I ha [speaker004:] Yeah 'cause, yeah, [speaker002:] I agree. [speaker004:] I just [disfmarker] I don't see the cross-over between computers and television. I mean I do see the cross-over in some sense, but but but but with the [disfmarker] the remote is is used for television, okay. [speaker003:] Yeah, but it's not happen yet. Yeah. [speaker002:] Well for me [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Well you have digital TV still already. [speaker004:] So so if we make the cross-over and we're gonna view television on computers then we're then we're losing the the necessity of the remote. S [speaker002:] Yeah. Unless you have a [disfmarker] Yeah. [speaker001:] Well there there is a [disfmarker] for example on digital TV systems you have [disfmarker] you can press a button and you can buy things in adverts, and you can uh you can view through a catalogue for example. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] A a family member of mine has got a system where you just um you can [disfmarker] Yeah, and there's other features for example on other systems where you can pause live TV and things like that. They're just features from the Internet uh from computers are are coming into the TV sort of under the covers, [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker001:] but you still use it through a teletext. So now the things to think here are that that there's gonna be more functionality, potentially that we can handle. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker003:] Yeah but we we don't we're not aiming a command for that. That's the thing. And all of those require the other commands with more complexity and more software and [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [gap] I think a lot of that's proprietary anyways. You're not gonna be able to, you, like command a TiVo with our remote. I don't think. [speaker001:] Mm. But still there there's an opportunity. If if it's [vocalsound], for example, a trainable one then we're [vocalsound] just simply having like an up, down, left, right, an okay button or something like that might might do as well in future proofing it. [speaker003:] Yeah but we would increase the price to try to make it a trainable one, so [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [gap] Mm. Okay. [speaker003:] Well I dunno. One way the other teletext was there but I guess we can remove it or, you know, make two separate interface designs. [speaker002:] I think if it's possible you should try to you know have a talk with management about that. Just you know [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah I don't I don't see the logic. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] I I don't see the logic in elimination of teletext, [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] I just I I [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah, and neither do I in fact. [speaker004:] but I'm not a tech-mind either. I just don't see the cross-over between computers and and and [speaker001:] Bu uh. [speaker004:] [disfmarker] 'Cause we are designing something for a television, okay. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] I'll communicate that back to those guys there a a and th the message really we wanna be sending to them is that, although teletext may become outdated w there's no l logic in not having it in there anyway i if it doesn't affect the price. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Right it's just not [speaker004:] We are selling it to an existing market. [speaker002:] [disfmarker] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Um but I I think what they're pushing us towards here is in terms of thinking of ways to future-proof our system for future systems that have something else other than teletext maybe. [speaker003:] Yeah [speaker001:] I dunno I'm [disfmarker] [speaker003:] but we're not putting some [disfmarker] there's no no putting anything in in the place of teletext. [speaker004:] That's [disfmarker] Yeah, and and, [speaker001:] Mm 'kay. [speaker004:] yeah, [speaker003:] That's the problem. [speaker004:] and and we're also [vocalsound] marketing a product. It's [disfmarker] what I'm seeing is a is a mid-range cost product. So so w we can't go and pump a whole bunch of technology into this thing [speaker001:] Mm. Yeah. [speaker004:] because all of a sudden we are gonna have cost overruns. So if we drop [disfmarker] if we are gonna choose to drop teletext, again what are we adding to the product that makes it marketable? [speaker001:] Hmm. So if we're keeping it basic we're loo loo what we're looking to sell it basically is it's uh just being very easy to use, looking exceptionally good, that sort of thing. 'Cause we really don't have anything else there, do we? [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] I don't I don't see it, and to me if I'm gonna market a product for b for beauty for for design I'm gonna I'm gonna try to market it at a much higher price. I need to make it special with a high price tag. I don't want to make it economically uh g uh competitive. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] I want I want to market it as exclusive. So I would market this product it [disfmarker] at eighty-nine Euros and come up with some really [vocalsound] beautiful exterior design or something th but but I don't think we have that flexibility. [speaker001:] But i if design if design is cheap and functionality is basic, then twenty-five Euros is probably a high price for a commoner garden [disfmarker] stan standard TV so the place [disfmarker] uh remote the then the place we're going to justify that cost is through through design through making it a a sleek elegant [vocalsound] high-priced basic remote. Does that make sense, huh? [speaker004:] No I no I I understand what you say, [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker004:] but what I'm what I'm, okay [disfmarker] we probably need to move along, [speaker001:] Yeah we probably should. [speaker004:] but my my concern is trying to find a marketing niche for this product, [speaker001:] We we're doing alright for time. [speaker004:] and if I'm coming in with a with with twenty-five Euros, which is mid-market price, um then what am I going to give these people for this? [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] So that's just my question, but we can keep talking. [speaker001:] Okay. Sorry that kinda cut into you there. [speaker003:] No just I I would I would advocate for continuing teletext and those would be the basic commands. Um as for, you know, the the case design uh maybe I'll come up with more concrete ideas. Right now it's just the idea of simplicity and slickness, cute and small um [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Right. I'm just thinking you know with all these universal remotes that are out there, how many people [vocalsound] how many people actually use every feature that ar you know i like these trainable remotes and things like that, where, you know, it's just so confusing to do [vocalsound] to use all these functions. Where I think the largest portion of the market is just gonna [disfmarker] you know they lost their TV remote, they need another one that'll work with their TV. They want something that looks nice, that that that isn't gonna break when they drop it, that you know that maybe it's it's ergonomic, it feels good in your hand, something like that. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker002:] I think that's gonna be where you're gonna find the biggest, you know, market share. [speaker001:] So we are looking for something that looks good and just works, rather than looking for any special features. Is that [disfmarker] [speaker002:] I think the more bells and whistles we add, it's just gonna cut into our into our profits. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker002:] Because I think as we as we add costs for things like uh [disfmarker] for like if we add the voice recognition and things like that, I think [vocalsound] you know what percentage of the of the um of the market is actually gonna use that? Maybe five percent, you know, [speaker003:] Yeah mm. [speaker001:] Mm. But we can talk a little bit more potentially in the marketing marketing presentation about this. [speaker002:] and how much [disfmarker] Right. Yeah okay. [speaker001:] Be a good idea. [speaker002:] I'm sorry. [speaker001:] Uh sorry, I didn't mean to cut in [vocalsound]. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker002:] Sorry boss [vocalsound]. [speaker001:] I'm not the boss [vocalsound]. Okay. [speaker004:] Oh P Pedro, I just want to say quickly I I would really like it when you can come up with some more bells and whistles, eh. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] You know sell uh [disfmarker] things come to my mind is uh uh something that's uh [vocalsound] um voice-activated. I know we're getting into some, I hope, some big money on this thing, but [disfmarker] [speaker001:] I think that's probably a question more for [speaker004:] Is that for over here? [speaker001:] for this guy here, yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Okay, alright. [speaker002:] Well it's kinda both of us. Us us user interface. [speaker001:] Is it? [speaker004:] That's [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] 'Cause uh and I think of voice-activated [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] I think of of [vocalsound] how many times I've I've lost my my remote and I can't find it. So some way that I can I can find my remote by clapping my hands or something [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. I was thinking about that. Then your lights would go off, though. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker004:] uh and and so so um [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] But this 's just something. I'm trying to find some bells and whistles 'cause when they talk about tel taking out teletext, it's like, what are we gonna put in? What makes this thing attractive? And it's only for televisions. So we [disfmarker] everyth our our competition out there has got these these multiple adaptors where they can use 'em for their VCRs, their DVDs, their [vocalsound] their televisions and we're coming out with one remote for television only. And so to me we have to make this a really special product [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] I I I don't s I really have to say I don't see the market niche for this product. At this price I don't see it yet. I'm [disfmarker] I I go along with this, because this is what we're given to try to market, but I I don't see the market niche for this product without without some really sort of something really special to identify it as as unique in the market. [speaker001:] Hmm. [speaker003:] But we th that should be design. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] That should be the design basically. [speaker002:] Right. [speaker003:] I think technology we'd we [disfmarker] we're not in the price range to do it. We don't have the money to do it towards t f technology so we should we should aim at design. [speaker004:] Okay. Have to do [disfmarker] you have to do it in the box? [speaker003:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker004:] Okay well, so so that's up to you then to [vocalsound] to make this box in something that's absolutely extraordinary. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] Maybe make it in the form of a gun. We can sell it in United States. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] I have a question uh for you. Does any of the um the features that Pedro's spoken about here have any implications we might not have thought about on in terms of just pure functionality? In terms of making it work or the cost of that or [disfmarker] [speaker002:] I don't [vocalsound] [disfmarker] I think all these things are pretty standard. I think we'll be okay. [speaker001:] Okay. 'Kay. Cheers. Onto participant [vocalsound] four. [speaker004:] Well [vocalsound] you know for marketing f [vocalsound] marketing for me is uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [gap] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] and uh how do I go here? Okay. [speaker002:] Mm you can just click. [speaker004:] Go go. Is that right? [speaker002:] No no no you just get off that. You just click anywhere. [speaker004:] Ah-ha. Yeah, what for me is it um [disfmarker] I d I don't know what I'm marketing right now, okay, 'til you spoke and when I wrote this, I don't know what I'm marketing. I just know that I I was identified as a a [disfmarker] we identified ourselves as a as a developer, as a manufacturer, and as a as a um distributor t to other wholesalers. And so the th the twenty-five Euros that we've identified as the sale price is a wholesale price rather than a retail price. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] That's what we decided here. Um so what I did is I I decided that [vocalsound] that this this needs to be a product in a in a sense can market itself. So what we've identified here as our main marketing stratagem is is in design. We're making the most beautiful attractive uh whatever we decide it is. So that means we have about seven more minutes or ten minutes left. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] Um [vocalsound] so I would like to have a product that that we can sell easily. So I say inspiration, so having something beauty, something attractive, uh something that in a sense will sell itself. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] Uh innovation I think fits into what we're talking about here with design. Uh cutting edge technology, I don't think we're gonna have that, these were ideas I was putting together, um unless we come up with some New Age product a as far as the casing is concerned. I I wanna make this thing something that I can identify as special in some way, so maybe we can have some [disfmarker] I I talked about environmentally sensitive, uh maybe we have a product that can be identified in some way as advantageous in a home. I don't know. These are just thoughts. Uh I wanted to talk about uh who we are as a as a corporation, that we're new, we're aggressive, we're competitive, we're we're trying to provide a product from a new perspective rather than from an old corporate line. So to me it's about selling d uh our identity [disfmarker] our corporate identity along with the product. [vocalsound] Um what I found is that the projected costs are competitive. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] Uh we're kind of in the middle of the market, but what I'm seeing is that the market is ready for [disfmarker] I I identified new technology, but again, because what I see is budget restrictions and limitations, I don't know that we can bring any new technology into this thing. If if we could have a technological something [disfmarker] [speaker002:] I have an idea. [speaker004:] Mm p please. [speaker002:] And it's kind of [vocalsound] along the s lines of environmentally sensitive, and it may even fit into ergonomics, and even kind of address the issue of losing losing the remote, what we were saying it's a common issue. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker002:] Um what we can do is, well you know that batteries [disfmarker] throwing a aw remotes run through batteries like crazy. Right? [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Solar. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] And [vocalsound] s for some people [disfmarker] Yeah [vocalsound]. [vocalsound] Well maybe not a solar remote [speaker004:] But solar [disfmarker] [speaker002:] but instead what about if we had like a power cradle? Like a a cradle that is is there to hold the remote when you're not using it, so you'll always know where the remote is 'cause you have to put it back there to charge the remote, and we can, instead of having instead of having, you know, replaceable batteries we'll just have a power cell that stays there for the life of the remote. You never have to get [disfmarker] go through the [disfmarker] go through [vocalsound] uh all these different batteries. And also you can [disfmarker] I I think it's a good opportunity for the user design [disfmarker] or for [disfmarker] not just for the user design, but also for the [disfmarker] just for the look and feel of the remote as as a whole. You know you could have some kind of neat little, you know, [vocalsound] a sexy design for d a cradle and the remote itself. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Blah, I like it. I like the idea, but we're talking about [disfmarker] in cost is gonna probably double. [speaker002:] It w it would increase the cost. [speaker004:] But boy, we can sell this thing, because there's no batteries, it's environmentally sensitive, i we can identify it as a safer product in some form. [speaker002:] And you could page the remote if you lose it. Maybe there's a button on the cradle. [speaker004:] Yep, that's right. I really see [speaker001:] Now the the question is can we make this for less than twelve-fifty per? [speaker004:] But the cost i No no. No no, we have t we have to change the end cost. There's uh [disfmarker] I mean I don't see it anyway. [speaker001:] We we well do we necessarily have to change the end cost because uh [vocalsound] Can we dl can we do that without [vocalsound] uh changing it twelve-fifty per product, if we basically can sell more based on this? [speaker004:] Yeah, that's gonna be up to these guys. I [vocalsound] [disfmarker] my reaction is no, but [speaker002:] Well [vocalsound] what I can do is I can d look into ho well Pedro and I can look into how much this might increase our our costs [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] and you can look into what kind of effect an increased cost is gonna have on our on our final numbers. [speaker001:] Yeah we we can certainly push for a more expensive product if that's gonna be [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Well, see I I [disfmarker] see I I'm an advocate to make this an exclusive product. You know, let's let's sell this wholesale for for fifty Euros, sixty Euros. Let's make this thing really exclusive, environmentally sensitive, uh high-tech design, uh ergonomics, all of this. Just make this thing uh, yeah, the the the Rolls Royce of of remote controls. [speaker002:] I [vocalsound] I [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Every home's got to have it. If you don't have one, hey what kind of remote do you have? Oh you've got one of those, oh fantastic, I want one of those too. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] I just don't have enough money right now. [speaker002:] I just don't know about that, because in order to do that [vocalsound] [disfmarker] in order to price it at that kind of level I think we'd need to have every functionality that all the other competitors are offering like being able to operate, you know, the DVD player and, you know, the stereo system and all that. Which is a pretty basic function that w we've opted out of. And additionally we're m maybe not supporting teletext um [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Nah, I think we can say with certainty now that we are supporting teletext. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] But I do think there are some basic features that we don't have that a lot of other remotes are going to have. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yep, one one thing I don't understand is h they've they've given us this package, okay. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] Now uh in my opinion we need to give them a package back, okay. They say they say okay here you go. They gave us a fundament a foundation of of what they want, [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] and and w it's our place to kinda analyse and evaluate. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] I don't think it's our place to create their product for them, maybe it is. I don't know what kind of role we have in this [disfmarker] in the corporate ladder uh, but to me it's like, okay, you have got your [disfmarker] here's our ideas, okay. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker004:] And then let them look at those ideas and they say, yeah well, we can we can raise the price twenty percent, you know we like this idea, this idea no, but [vocalsound] to me it's it's about a choice, do we follow their directives or do we make uh presentations back and and then and then discuss? beca I I do not [disfmarker] I do not see the market niche for the product that they're handing f handing us right now. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker004:] I don't see it. [speaker002:] I don I I d I have to disagree though. I think our market niche is basically people who need [vocalsound] [disfmarker] who have lost their remote or uh who've broken their remote and don't wanna send back to the manufacturer, they just wanna run out to the store and get a remote, and then they're gonna look on the shelf and they're gonna see ours is the nicest looking remote. It does what they need. These aren't [disfmarker] I I think that it [disfmarker] [speaker001:] And and th to get to back to another point, sorry uh uh [vocalsound] for cutting in but, I th I think it's important to remember that that this remote has to work with multiple TVs, yeah, 'cause it's selling on its own. [speaker002:] Right. [speaker001:] It's not going to be specifically for Hitachi TVs or or whatever. [speaker004:] Right. [speaker002:] Right. [speaker004:] No I understand that. [speaker001:] So technologically, if I understand it, uh TVs [vocalsound] TV remote's working exactly the same way as video remotes and DVD remotes. All you need to do is train them to the individual one, all you need to do is is know the the f like some four-digit code. [speaker004:] [gap] [speaker001:] So saying that it works with all TVs is equivalent to saying that it'll work with DVDs and other things. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] Nope, they've identified the product as not working for anything but televisions. [speaker003:] Yeah y y you you wouldn't [disfmarker] [speaker004:] They've identified this product limita [speaker001:] Oh okay okay. We have done this. [speaker004:] That's why I say I don't I don't see the market niche for this. [speaker003:] The interface will be different. [speaker004:] If we if w if we were going to have a product that worked for DVDs, VCRs and everything, then I can see the market niche, [speaker001:] I see. Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] but we we're only identified as going for televisions without teletext. And it's like whoa we ha in my opinion we have to go with something that's extremely exclusive to make this thing marketable, [speaker002:] Right. Well here's [disfmarker] [speaker001:] And I I'd [disfmarker] [speaker004:] because who wants just a television remote? [speaker001:] Mm sorry. [speaker002:] Right. [speaker004:] I don't. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] We he well here's my thing about that. If you're in the market for this ultimate remote, you're not gonna go for just a television remote. If it can't control [disfmarker] if it can't control your your DVD player and a al if y if you can't get that all-in-one ultimate remote, that just [disfmarker] you can throw all your other remotes away. I'm not gonna buy a d seventy-five Euro remote. [speaker004:] That's right. [vocalsound] I I I have a tendency to agree with you. I really do. [speaker001:] So we really can't chase that. [speaker004:] That's why I say I quest I q I question the marketability of the product. I really question where we create the demand. [speaker002:] So I think what we [disfmarker] So that's what I'm saying [disfmarker] [speaker001:] We're really looking for something basic. The the one thing that that that you said really struck a chord with me here in that we're we're carrying the corporate identity with the product, but we're actually looking for a large profit at the same time where I'd be inclined to go back to upper-level management and say like let's just cut down our profit expected on this product because we are actually branding our company here. We're selling more than just the product. We're trying to get mind-share about uh Real Reaction to to the people who are gonna buy consumer electronics. We want people to eventually say, oh that's that's Real Reaction that's a good m make. It's reliable. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] And and we're gonna make it [disfmarker] we're gonna win mind-share by uh either being a fantastic product or for it working, it just being good, reasonable-priced, [vocalsound] and solid. So if we can make [disfmarker] if we can put an emphasis here on it not breaking I think that's in itself an extremely [vocalsound] big thing. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. I think that's big. [speaker004:] W [vocalsound] okay if you if you drop the cost, now if you make if you make [disfmarker] go to the other side of the cost scale, and you make it less expensive, then all of a sudden now we're going into an a a new market area. So we can say low-cost uh uh um uh good design, beautiful, wa-da-da-da-da-da. [speaker003:] Good design. [speaker001:] We only have a few minutes left. [speaker004:] But what I'm saying is right now we're middle market. [speaker001:] Is twenty-five Euros a mid-market price for a remote? [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah for for multi for a multi-function remote, that's a mid-market price. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] I think so, yeah. [speaker004:] In a discount right now you can buy 'em on sale sometimes for about about uh eighteen, nineteen Euro, and that's for the multi-functions, uh DVD, VCR, uh catch-alls. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] And and they have 'em in a little box in the middle, and and this is the consciousness that most people have about replacement remote controls. So to me [vocalsound], to market this a t only a television remote control we have to change consciousness. We have to have something that will change people's thinking to identify this as advantageous, and I don't know what that is. It's gotta be low-cost or high-cost with with special design features. [speaker001:] Well I'd be inclined to say, if we can make the design better than any comparable remote while reducing the cost, then that's the way we really should play it. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] If we can take it down to you know fifteen rather than twenty-five and make a low profit-margin on it, but we're really doing that to sell the brand. Yep we have five minutes left. Uh rather th uh to to to sell for Real Reactions. [speaker004:] Or my d [vocalsound] [speaker001:] And I can communicate this to to the more senior [vocalsound] uh mm people within the company here to to get a reaction. [speaker002:] What about um the idea that I had with the cradle? [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] How do you feel about that? Or how does everybody feel? [speaker001:] Well how does everybody feel? [speaker004:] [vocalsound] I mean I I [vocalsound] well we g we're talking about the other end now. [speaker001:] [gap] I I think [disfmarker] [speaker004:] I like it. I like the idea, [speaker002:] No, but I [disfmarker] that's the thing I I don't think it's necessarily the other end. [speaker004:] but we have t we have to find out [disfmarker] [speaker001:] The other the o the problem with that in my mind I just think off-hand as a as a consumer, would I wanna buy that? And I think maybe not because I've got a remote and I'll take it to different chairs, I'll take it to different [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] I w I don't wanna go over somewhere and put it down. It [disfmarker] i if it is gonna be somewhere that you put it down then it needs to be at the side of your armchair, [speaker002:] Right. [speaker001:] and that implies that there's only one TV user. So it's very good for some people but it's not a like [vocalsound] [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Well it lasts [disfmarker] it would last for several hours on its own power, but when you're done with it you put it back in the cradle. [speaker001:] But it it takes away the ease of use of the remote to a certain extent. [speaker002:] Yeah well it [disfmarker] [speaker001:] You have to l sort of remember. You have to d shift down the side of the couch to find it and put it back and [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Well. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] I d I d I d I think it it [disfmarker] in my mind it doesn't seem like something that oh I'd really want uh because of that fact. [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker001:] But I I don't know, that's just my opinion. [speaker004:] Well, I think again it's it [disfmarker] we have a cost issue here. You know if we're gonna go in this direction, to me we're going to the other side of the cost range. Are we gonna make this [disfmarker] selling selling the cost as a high high-tech uh um environmentally sensitive whatever, or are we gonna go to the lower side of the range? [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Again I don't see our market niche in the middle for our product yet. I don't see it yet. [speaker001:] 'Kay. [vocalsound] So what do we think maybe we should [disfmarker] Pedro, do you have any opinion on it? [speaker003:] Uh we should keep it simple, mm medium-low cost mar um cost area and uh make it look good. [speaker004:] W [vocalsound] a question I have in in a [vocalsound] [disfmarker] 'cause I I I think I agree with you on, we gotta make it a box. The box is gonna sell it I think, the outside, the casing. [speaker001:] Really need to wrap up now. [speaker004:] Can can can we have multiple designs? Have a modern, have a traditional, have a [disfmarker] you know, and so so instead of them all looking the same, people can have maybe four or five different designs they can choose from. I don't know what that creates cost, or [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Well the the problem with that is we may end up with a whole bunch of inventory of a of a poor design you know. So [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yep one over another. Yeah, okay, I hear that. [speaker003:] Yeah, complicated but [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Um but what we could do is some kind of [vocalsound] well I mean [disfmarker] [vocalsound] Yeah we we need to, I mean, have a few designs to look at and then come up with something that I think we all agree is, you know, the best fit. I think w what's really important is it has to look good, it has to feel [vocalsound] [disfmarker] it has to feel good in your hand, [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] it has to be durable, it has to a and I think it's really important that it doesn't look cheap. I think I think we have to make sure people look at it an and feel like it its like a quality remote. Even though the cost may be low. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] What ab what ab [disfmarker] what about a a remote that's [vocalsound] that [vocalsound] doesn't maybe look like a remote? Just an idea. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] Just just okay 'cause I mean we all know what a remote looks like on the outside. They're selling these things everywhere. Maybe that could be part of our design exclusivity, is we make a remote that doesn't even look like a remote it it opens like a telephone. [speaker002:] Or what if it looks like a pen? [speaker004:] Doesn't matter, yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] I'm just jus I talking about some [disfmarker] something to make this thing unique. [speaker002:] A pointer? [speaker004:] It [disfmarker] That's the thing, I'm gonna keep thumping on. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] I'll sell whatever you guys design. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] I don't have a problem selling a product, that's not the issue. I give you ideas, you guys create the product. Once you have the finished product I'll find a way to sell it. Don't worry about it. I just give you these things now, because these are my thoughts and feelings. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker002:] So just [vocalsound] to touch on m my point one last time that I had brought up. Um I really [vocalsound] [disfmarker] un unless you guys are die-hard against the fact that um it's possible like it reduces the usability of the remote b and the fact that you can't lose it on your own, I think it still might be a good idea to investigate having like a power cradle. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Okay. Yeah. [speaker002:] Because I really think i in a certain sense it almost like [disfmarker] for me I would want to have that just, because I know at the end of when I'm done watching TV that when I'm done, oh I better go find the remote and put it back where it belongs. Maybe th th th that's just some people that like that. [speaker001:] I mean there's al there's also remote controls I remember that that worked uh, this hasn't been done in a while I think, but th as a as a watch. [speaker002:] A lot of people [disfmarker] [speaker004:] No no. [speaker002:] As a watch? [speaker001:] Yeah, there is remote control watches um, [speaker002:] Mm 'kay. [speaker001:] but I think they're a sorta eighties thing, so it might not be easy to market in it [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah they are not simple. [speaker001:] uh but the the technologies came along and it might be cheaper to make now. Those things may have been inexpensive for all I know. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] One thing I just thought about when you were saying that, is that the p our target market is gonna be someone who has lost or broken [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] That's what I was saying. [speaker004:] We gotta stop? [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Gotta cut up. [speaker004:] Who's lost or broken their their remote. So [vocalsound] how many remotes do they wanna buy? Can we p can we sell them a remote that can maybe guarantee they will not need to buy another one? [speaker002:] Exactly. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] And so with with with this kind of system or locator or something, to to think about, how have people been been losing or breaking their remote? [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] How does this happen? [speaker001:] The last remote you'll ever buy. [speaker002:] And also presumably they've [disfmarker] [speaker004:] And and then and then design the product, maybe some component of the product that can identify this as the last one you'll ever need to buy. [speaker001:] Well if if we're going down that then we can [disfmarker] we don't need to go the [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Exactly. [speaker001:] it it strikes me that the locator feature might actually be uh quite expensive to make. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Whereas actually just putting it in a power cradle might not be too expensive at all [speaker002:] True. [speaker001:] because that's just done with mobile phones [speaker002:] Right. [speaker001:] you can just n we we have said we have actually similar products that we can take from and potentially cut costs there. [speaker002:] Yeah. The locator'll definitely be more expensive. Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Um need to look into whether we can do that but uh I think we we have some m mobile phone-based products uh checking quickly our Internet. We really need to finish up here. But uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [gap] uh [disfmarker] we can make it in the shape of a coffee pot. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah we have the [gap] the power-adaptor products. We sell power-adaptor products. So for example there's nothing stopping us using that technology. [speaker004:] It's uh just it's that I think it's telling us to stop our meeting. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] So we have the c we probably have have on-line in our in our system, we have the ability to create this, we're talking about. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yeah I think so, [speaker004:] A charging system. [speaker001:] without it being too [disfmarker] In fact we can cut costs through using the manufacturing that's already gonna be in place here. [speaker002:] Right. [speaker004:] If if we can create this we have probably five or six or seven really strong marketing characteristics. [speaker002:] Right. I think one of the things that we can put right on the box is, never buy another battery. [speaker001:] Okay. Yep. [speaker002:] You know, something like that. [speaker001:] 'Kay. Thanks guys. [speaker003:] Yep. [speaker004:] No that's not what I want, I want [disfmarker] Oh look it here.

[speaker003:] Just put it on the deskt [gap] desktop. [speaker002:] No on the desktop you'll find you should find that there's a project documents link. A well actually just there. [speaker003:] Project documents, yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. That's it. If you dump it in there. [speaker003:] What's your username? [speaker002:] Your username. [speaker003:] What's your username and password? Mm-hmm. Sorry. Okay. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker003:] There we go. [speaker002:] Excellent. Right. Hopefully that's us ready to uh to go. So. Functional design meeting. We'll have to flesh out some of the uh stuff. Um we'll start with the minutes of the last meeting. Not a lot thankfully to say. We introduced ourselves, discussed the possibility of a macro facility, interac interacting the TV a bit more, um mentioning of bar-code, joystick for user manipulation, um and ergonomics of the remote control as well. Um it's come to my attention the following. Teletext has become outdated due to the populat popularity of the internet. Remote control should only be used for the TV. Um due for uh time to market and possibly also cost issues. Um also key is the corporate image should stay recognisable, um f uh your colour and slogan of course is down at the bottom there. Um. Now. Just to say quickly uh I would have thought that only being used for a television the macro facility may now not be required. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker002:] Um or at l its functionality would have been of limited use. So to the point in my opinion anyway that it might not be worth pursuing. Um if anybody disagrees we can uh definitely say so. Um and hopefully we'll just crack on and we'll get everything going. Um I'd like to if possible hear from our Marketing Expert first, [speaker003:] 'Kay. [speaker002:] to help us gain an idea of where we're going to go. So um I'll just load up your presentation from here if you want. [speaker003:] Sure. Um, sh would you like to [vocalsound] I'll just do it from here. [speaker002:] Yep. Sorry. Uh. Is yours the [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Um, try second one maybe. Try it, yeah maybe. [speaker002:] Oh sorry. [speaker003:] Yeah. Okay. [speaker002:] Okay, right. [speaker003:] Oh, I thought I put in my last name, I guess not, but [gap]. [speaker002:] Uh if you [disfmarker] that's all right. [speaker003:] Okay. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] If you [disfmarker] do you want me to just cycle through it for you or? [speaker003:] Oh yeah, that'd be fine, that'd be great. [speaker002:] Yeah? [speaker003:] Okay. Functional requirement by me Ebenezer. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker003:] Okay, so um we did some research, we asked one hundred people their opinions on remote controls. We asked some uh open ended questions, just, what are your opinions on the remote control, got a lot of re responses, and we asked some very specific questions, and we got a lot of good feedback. Please bear in mind this is only a hundred people, so even when the groups are divided into fifteen to twenty five, twenty five to thirty five, there's only maybe ten people [vocalsound] fifteen people in each group. Okay. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] So we got [disfmarker] some the bad stuff we got, remotes are often lost. I often lose my remote control, the back of the couch, some place, and even if it's not lost permanently, it takes me a few minutes to find it. [vocalsound] Most buttons are not used any more, like you said, teletext is outdated now. I remember trying to load a DVD player recently, and there were so many buttons, it took me I don't know maybe ten minutes to to go through each button, 'cause you have to press the shift button to access the yellow buttons, you know there's just a lot of stuff that no one really uses. And if they do, not very often. Takes too long to master the remote control. I've seen some remote controls that are big, they have a lot of buttons, you have to hold down more than one key at one time to do something, they're just not great to use. We just got a lot of bad complaints about remote controls, people do not like remote controls. Some of the good stuff we got. Between the age of uh fifteen and twenty five, most people would be willing to pay extra for voice recognition software. Now don't get excited yet, I've got more to say on that. Most people'd be willing to pay for that um most people want remote controls to be pretty, they want it to be fancy, th they they want it to be different, everybody has a white remote control with black buttons, and a red button and a green button, not everybody wants that. [vocalsound] [vocalsound] Finally, my opinion. [speaker002:] Yep. [speaker003:] The voice recognition thing is cool. And uh voice recognition, the software, open source software exist already. It's a bit sketchy at some times, uh, you're not gonna get good always accurate results, but for a very fixed number of words, you know you have, how many different words can you have for a remote control, up, down, left, right, channel five, channel seven, you know, how many, you can't have that many words. For a fixed vocabulary it works quite well. I'm pretty sure people would buy it. But after a while people may wanna return it, because [vocalsound] if you have to to say som I mean most people use a remote control for switching to channels, and they say they do that about ninety eight percent of the time. Using the remote control, ninety eight percent of the time for changing channels, and that's for flickering through channels. So if you have to say up, up, up, up, if you have to do that all the time, then people might get a bit fed up with that and they may return it. [vocalsound] However, [vocalsound] oh, because the voice recognition software exists already, there's no need to spend money on research and development, but this does mean the need for microphones in the in the remote control, which is an unusual feature in my opinion. But if we do have the voice recognition thing, there's a lot of stuff that you can uh get rid of. See, you could [disfmarker] there're two options. Either you have voice recognition by itself, which I think is a bit impractical for like night time if you wanna be watching television and you wanna be quiet, or I don't know you have a visitor coming round and the remote's only trained for you, it's a bit impractical to have just voice recognition by itself. So you can have voice recognition and a regular remote. But imagine you got rid of the regular remote part, then you can design the remote to look any way you want it to look, because there are no restrictions on physical size, or shape, it it could be as fancy as you want it to be, you know, it could be like a lollipop or something like that, something weird like that. As long as the voice recognition stuff works, that's that's fine. [speaker002:] Okay, yep. [speaker003:] So we have the three birds, we have the design, that [vocalsound] we have the the fancy bit, right, the voice recognition's fancy, it's cool, it's different, it's radical, so, and then we have an extra bit I don't remember [vocalsound] so I'm pretty sure people will buy the remote, but is it practical to have a voice recognition system in a remote control, I think is a big question. Um, will people will people be willing to wait for the the period that it'll take to train the remote, 'cause I think it will the remote will uh get better over time with the same user user, but for the first week or for the first two weeks are you willing to wait, are you willing to have a bad remote control. [vocalsound] And uh what if you have visitors come round, they stay the night, they wanna use the TV, they can't use the remote because they speak differently to you. Um, how do you account for regional accents and stuff like that. Uh, will people return the remote control, [vocalsound] I think a lot of young people will buy the remote control, if they have the money, you know, so, [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. If you could uh [speaker003:] do our audience have the money, but would they return it after a while because it's not as fast as pressing a button, it's not a practical. So. These are things I think we should consider. I think it's cool, [speaker002:] sor if you could speed it up a bit, yeah. [speaker003:] I'm sorry? [speaker002:] If you could uh speed it up a bit please, yeah. [speaker003:] Sure. I'm about to end, yeah. [speaker002:] Sorry. Cool. [speaker003:] I think it's cool but there are definitely some considerations. [speaker002:] Okay. Excellent. [speaker003:] So, yeah. [speaker002:] Right. Um. Hear from the [vocalsound] User Interface Designer now I think might be an idea. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] Um, you've got your presentation now, [speaker004:] [vocalsound] How did [disfmarker] where did [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah, [speaker002:] is it on the [disfmarker] [speaker001:] it's in the it's in the folder [speaker004:] where did you get all your in information [gap]? [speaker001:] yeah. [speaker002:] is it? Okay. [speaker003:] There was uh a website, uh, [speaker004:] Oh. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Technical functions? [speaker003:] right here. [speaker004:] Ah, okay. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker002:] No. Yeah. Okay. [speaker001:] Okay, this is a [vocalsound] brief run through of the um of the technical functions of the remote. As um is uh the the the presentation is uh already slightly obsolete because I [vocalsound] had in mind something that would uh be i be aimed at controlling multiple devices but uh there's still stuff of relevance, so [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] press on. I've looked at [vocalsound] looked at a num [vocalsound] uh couple of other uh remote control models just for an idea of basic design principles. Um and wasn't really satisfied by what I saw I have to say so this is more sort of springboard for uh how these could be improved on. [vocalsound] Um um basically the job of the device is to send commands to an appliance, in this case the television set. Um to save you getting off your backside. Um and there's two main trends in th in the sort of design practice. On the one hand [disfmarker] and this uh this particularly relates to its sort of earliest models where with you know i so so many buttons on it so about the size of the television set. Um giving you every possible function that the that the device has, the remote control controls. And most of these functions are not going to be used, it creates a rather user unfriendly interface. And on the other hand there's a user focused approach that pares things down to just what [vocalsound] what is most likely to get used. Um [vocalsound] With uh [disfmarker] a and a and of course there is a certain amount of sort of loss of function here obviously, but mostly that's relatively peripheral functions. And so you go for something that's fairly intuitive to use, and um well f the for the most part for TV remote it's uh tha that would be channel control and volume. Um and if you [vocalsound] if you if you are wanting to incorporate uh control of a DV [vocalsound] DVD or uh [vocalsound] VCR presumably into that then there's a play, pause, stop, rewind, fast-forward, record, so forth. Um. My own view is that we should definitely be going for a user focused design. Um but uh the pro [vocalsound] I think the problem with a lot of the sort of user focused designs that are about is that they sort of make assumptions in advance about what uh what a given user's going to uh want mo want to do from [vocalsound] want it to do most. So, something that's uh [vocalsound] something that is more programmable, that uh perh perhaps has the full range of functions available to it but you can then specify yourself what you're most likely to want. Um so that those are then immediately [vocalsound] accessible through fairly minimal number of controls, um I liked Ebenezer's idea of including a joystick in that and uh possibly a sort of fairly minimal number of sort of function buttons, and have a disp [vocalsound] you then have some sort of basic display on it so that if you're um sort of cha changing from different modes for the device it'll tell you just exactly what uh you know each direction of the uh of the um joystick's [vocalsound] going to do or wha or what each function button's going to do. Um, this is actually [gap] a again slightly taking inspiration off of uh games controllers, [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker001:] you know the Playstation control where you have four basic function buttons that are just marked with um distinctive uh geometrical shapes but the [vocalsound] and then dependent on what you're doing with it what game and so on um those uh those functions are then sort of further specified. And so it's taking taking the lead from that. Um. [speaker002:] Okay. Yeah. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] That's it. [speaker002:] Right. Um, if we could hear from our Industrial engineer, or Designer. [speaker004:] Yeah. Uh, I was still working on stuff, I hadn't got it finished. Um, [vocalsound] alright. Click to save in [disfmarker] where do I have to save it? [speaker002:] If you look on the desktop you'll find that there's a link to the project folder, or project documents. If you save it in there we can open it up from here. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Um, what I've done with it, I'm sorry. Shit. Um [vocalsound] [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Are you finding it okay or? [speaker004:] I'm just [gap] closing it now. [gap] where I've saved it. [speaker003:] Well like if you go to one, uh whichever one you were working [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [gap] that's it there, yeah. [speaker003:] yeah, and you just click file save as. [speaker004:] Oh right. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker004:] Uh, right I'm responsible for working design, uh, this is basically the inside going on of the the uh remote control. So we have the energy source, we have the user interface, this this is what I've seen. Uh the sender will push the button, the chip will respond, uh and then the dig digital signal is sent to the TV. So uh uh, if you go to next slide, you'll see you'll see uh what do we need on the user interface. Do we need uh many buttons, or do we need l many light bulbs that could be easier to uh to realise which appliances are on or not. Um, [vocalsound], or would that take too much power, would we need more um components in there to supply the power? Um, the joystick is another thing, if we were gonna add that, um, there'd be more components to deal with that. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] Um [vocalsound], so uh we need to [disfmarker] I dunno exactly what [disfmarker] That's the design of the the the layout of the uh electronic design, um obviously there'll be more details once we've decided what we're putting on the user interface. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker004:] So, that'll be decided, I guess. [vocalsound] Uh, and the next slide. Oh, yeah [disfmarker] Um, if you go to the next slide then. [speaker002:] Oh. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] I just used the [vocalsound] it was a mess, uh I was just putting adding it together at the end there. Uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Ah, don't worry about it at all mate. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Uh so you have the energy source obviously connected to the chip, and the user interface obviously contains everything. You have the switch turn it on, infrared bulb, uh will contact the TV and will have whatever device or DVD player, the bulb will turn on to say it's on. Uh, so do we need on the control uh different buttons to decide, or different light bulbs, would it be easier? Um, I dunno what we should decide on that. [speaker002:] Okay. Well. Oh sorry, I'm I'm interrupting you. Are you [disfmarker] is it [disfmarker] [speaker004:] No, it's finished, yeah. [speaker002:] yeah? Okay. Right. Um, [vocalsound] right we can probably skip that for now. So, we've had some stuff put forward, um along with the new user requirements, um we've had a lot of kind of input I'd say so far. Um I hear what the Marketing Expert's saying about [vocalsound] um voice activated control. However I've got a couple of worries about that. [vocalsound] The power required, um and the ability to the cost, it seems like for uh an embedded system, this could cause us issues. [speaker004:] Cost. Mm. [speaker002:] Um for example you see that there's fairly robust services on uh computers via uh via voice, IBM do um drag and dictate, [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] but these require a lot of memory and usually um state quite advanced processor requirements. Um voice activation could be an interesting idea but I think that our Ind Industrial Designer would probably upon some research say that it's maybe not feasible. [speaker003:] 'Kay. [speaker002:] Um that's just my view right now, [speaker001:] Mm. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] however the idea of a joystick and then maybe an LCD which has been kind of put forward so far, it's almost like having a small T not TV to say, but if you can control almost all of the functionality from the display, I don't know how much power an LCD would take, [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker002:] but it might be quite low? [speaker004:] LCD on the remote just telling you what's on, or [vocalsound] uh, interactive LCD or [disfmarker] [speaker003:] I uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Well literally um if you can imagine the display maybe slightly larger than um those on a [vocalsound] a mobile phone, something where you can read an an um fair amount of information, [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker002:] traverse maybe quite a few menus, if we maybe used mobile phones as a good example, they usually incorporate they have the keypad, and then evr all the other functionality is usually associated inside by traversing around. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] That could be one possibility. Um and then we could have like say the common buttons as you say, volume control, changing channels [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Mm. [gap] I I was thinking that the remote [vocalsound] the um [vocalsound] sort of default functions for the joystick would be up and down for uh volume, left and right for channels. [speaker002:] We [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Do you think that people will get mixed up, like, they'll be looking at this screen and that screen and then, you know, trying to get everything working, would it be a bit confusing? [speaker001:] Um I think probably for the first couple of hours of using it [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] um but you know muscle memory's a wonderful thing, um. [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker001:] And I think [vocalsound] and I think that size of uh display was about what I had in mind. Um though I mean I w I would say that uh we could probably probably be required to um mo most of the mobile phone displays you see these days are colour but we should probably try to stick to black and white. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] I would agree with you. [speaker001:] Si si simply to keep m keep the unit cost down. Um I mean colour could be a sort of subsequent development but uh you know cost a bit of extra money f w w w w w once everyone's got the first, you know, oh colour's out, we'll have to replace it [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] won't we. It does nothing extra. [speaker002:] That would be my feeling as well, I think we could possibly create quite a useful user interface. Um now I mean [speaker003:] Sure but the idea of a remote with a menu or [disfmarker] and a joystick I think like I h if I was in the habit of buying remote controls then I would want one, [speaker002:] I don't [disfmarker] sorry, go for it. [speaker003:] but I think we don't have a specific audience, you know, like what is our target audience, what niche are [disfmarker] niche are we trying to market and corner. You know, you know what I'm saying, like, for whom is this intended? Everybody? [speaker002:] [vocalsound] I think it could probably be aimed at most people who've used a mobile. And that might be just another way of saying try to target most people. [speaker003:] Most people, yeah. [speaker002:] Um, if we are if we were to follow that avenue, we might be s you know um we're kind of almost relying on their experience with a mobile phone I suppose. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] But that does cover a very large section of the people out there. [speaker003:] Sure. I think that's fair [vocalsound] yeah. [speaker002:] Um, I mean [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker002:] I imagine as well that the actual LCD and maybe to a certain extent the joystick as well would be for the additional functionality. Which maybe doesn't get used as often, maybe it makes it easy for them to figure out how to um change the channels as in the frequencies and such for reprogramming it. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Um and you can still have the main buttons that allow the people to turn the machine on and off, d up and down, it depends, I mean maybe we have the fol um the joystick as a separate one for the other functions then, that there's just a a small number of as you were saying uh buttons that have already been defined. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] So like we go for the nice standard um up and down for and volume control. So that literally anybody can come along, pick up the remote and still know what do do. And they can completely ignore most of the functionality which would be for say the o actual owner of the the TV [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] and who would normally use the unit. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Mm. [vocalsound] I th the thing I like about the uh the uh joystick [speaker002:] I dunno. [speaker001:] is that uh you you you then basically you can then basically put it I mean for for T T for TV remote alone, you could put um I mean there are [disfmarker] like I say the the the main things people do with a TV remote control is the volume and the channel. You can pack all that onto was onto a single control. Um. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] But uh but the [vocalsound] but then o uh obviously if uh you know if you i if you wanted to access further functions i [vocalsound] you you then get to sort of menu navigation. I mean with things like ch with things like tuning and channels um you know adjusting brightn uh brightness and [vocalsound] fiddly things that no one really bothers with, most TVs these days actually have menus anyway so this would be a fairly rational way of integra [gap] [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] integrating the uh the remote with the device it's controlling. Um [gap] concern about our market. Um, if we are I mean most of the uh of the replacement remote market is sort of [gap] remote control rationalisation. Um, you've got twenty different devices in your living room, [speaker003:] Yeah. Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] you want one wo [vocalsound] y you want one that'll do the job of all of them. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Um, if all you're replacing is one of the you know however many remotes you have in your living room, um you know you still need separate remotes for everything else. I just think that uh possibly [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Well this is a requirement that we have to stick to I'm afraid, [speaker001:] mm. [speaker002:] this isn't one that I've just arbitrarily decided on. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker002:] So um this is this is one of the solid ones that has to be obeyed, for now. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker002:] So I can understand your point, and I would agree with you, but this is our design spec for now. 'Fraid to say. Um [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Does that um would that include um access to say [vocalsound] interactive functions on digital or cable? [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker002:] I would say so, yes, because then we have to be able to control the remote boxes, and that is a separate unit. Um I think that it [disfmarker] I would say that the design spec we've been [gap] with is for the television only for now. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] And until we hear otherwise we should go with just that. [speaker003:] Hmm. Okay, specifically television. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] Okay. Maybe we'll hear differently, but for now [disfmarker] [speaker003:] So the joystick is just for differentness. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker002:] It would be ease of manipulation of certain functions, yes. Um [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker001:] Just a thought. [vocalsound] Um maybe then our market should be TV manufacturers, rather than the public. Try and sell it t sell it to them to supply with um [disfmarker] [speaker002:] There is that possibility, yes. B However I don't know exactly where we'll be going with that, but it might not even be the avenue of the Marketing Expert, [speaker003:] Mm. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] that might be sales, [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] who are not in this meeting. [speaker003:] It's just, the way I figure it, twelve point five Euros per unit, we have to sell at least like three million or something like that, [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] not to account for all the the money we waste on remotes that no one buys, you know, like if we made a perf if we made a ks for every remote we made someone bought it, then we have to sell a lot of remote controls. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] We just [disfmarker] Is this gonna be enough to to sell? [speaker002:] Well, something else that you brought up was uh the ability to lose a remote, which as you said you've done, in fact we've probably all done. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Um, I don't know if it's a gimmick or not, but have any of you ever seen those odd little key rings where if you whistle, it will beep and you [disfmarker] tell you where it is. [speaker003:] I had one of those, [speaker001:] Mm, yeah, I've seen them. [speaker003:] and my brother, and my dad, could have beat me up [speaker002:] Um. Well [speaker003:] because it it went off all the time accidentally. [speaker002:] the other option of course is that um the [speaker003:] The clapping one. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] well [disfmarker] I was going to say clapping, um [disfmarker] Um digital telephones, uh for example, one unit has [disfmarker] of course you have to have that base unit, somewhere where there's a button, but maybe it's a button that you attach to the TV. [speaker003:] To a television. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker002:] Something which you when you press that, it would beep to give its location away, on the remote unit. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] And that could be something could um separate us a bit. [speaker001:] Yeah, I think that's a good idea. [speaker003:] Yeah, that's a good idea. [speaker002:] And that way, because we're attaching what would be a small button to the TV, again say what, it would be a small transmitter, um watch battery type scenario I would say, or something that if it was problems enough you could actually even just um I don't [disfmarker] power [gap] that might be something that we could look into. [speaker004:] Yeah [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yep. Yeah, it's uh putting a lot on your shoulders there, so I mean that could be something that separates us a bit from the market as well. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] I think so, yeah. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] So. To go on from here. Um we have to decide exactly what we're going to do with the remote. Before we leave this meeting, it would be best to say this is what we're going [disfmarker] this is the design we're gonna try and get, this is how we're gonna make ourselves look unique. Do we go for maybe a remote contro [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker002:] uh sorry, we're gonna go for a remote control obviously, do we go for a small joystick that would operate say changing channels, up and down, and then, what, another button that would say that it's now being used to manoeuvre round the LCD. [speaker001:] Mm yeah. [speaker004:] We're just saying volume. [speaker001:] Yeah, I think that's [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Should volume be important in the joystick, do you think? [speaker002:] We could use say the left and right for changing channels [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] and the up and down for volume, [speaker001:] For volume. [speaker004:] Yep. [speaker003:] But we have a frequency of how what people use a remote control for most. [speaker002:] and [disfmarker] Okay. [speaker003:] Um, power is used like once per hour, [speaker004:] I [speaker003:] channel selection is used a hundred and sixty eight per hour, [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] that's by far the biggest one, and then teletext, is still here, that's like fourteen, [speaker002:] Vol Volume selection okay, yep, [speaker003:] and volume selection. [speaker002:] the teletext we're gambling with, and we're gonna say it's dead, the way of the dodo [disfmarker] [speaker003:] No, yeah, okay okay. Yeah, um [vocalsound] [disfmarker] [speaker002:] So we [disfmarker] well, sorry, we could maybe even go as far as saying power button, small joystick, LCD, and then what maybe is it one more button to say that you're using the menu system, and with the possibility of pushing down on the joystick to say okay? So we're having very very few buttons involved, [speaker001:] Actually how [disfmarker] [speaker002:] but navigation around a menu for most things. [speaker001:] Actually I would say maybe two two function buttons, the [disfmarker] y we're now using the menus button and um and an og and an okay button. I mean certainly something I've found with the joystick on mo the joysticks on mobile phones is that a lot of the time th the device mistakes you trying to move it in one direction or the other for pushing down for okay. [speaker002:] Okay. Okay. [speaker001:] Or vice versa. And that's really irritating. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] The o the o the other dis design constraint I think we should bear in mind is that people are you know very much used to using a remote control one handedly, um, so we need to make sure that e even with the joystick, you know something that can just sit comfortably in the palm of the hand and have the joystick just controlled by the thumb. [speaker002:] Okay. So um we're actually that sounds like a rough idea. Do we incorporate the idea of trying to f locate the remote control again via a beeping noise? [speaker004:] Yeah, think so. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Do you mind looking [gap]? [speaker003:] Um, I think because it's so small it might be an uh I mean if we only have like two three buttons it might be essential to have to have that [disfmarker] [speaker002:] The ability to locate it again. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] So that would require a um transmitter maybe attached to the TV, just so that it says find me, and [vocalsound] what, a basically a small microphone um on the actual unit, can maybe hide it in the base. [speaker004:] Light bulb as well, [speaker001:] Oh. So [vocalsound] so [speaker004:] no? [speaker002:] Sorry? [speaker001:] a small speaker you mean. [speaker003:] Speaker [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Some speaker, sorry, yeah. [speaker003:] yeah. [speaker004:] And a light bulb? No. To flash. No. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Um [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Nah, you'd see it anyway, if you hear it. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] E us we might be better with the sound possibly [disfmarker] [speaker003:] W [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] we could maybe incorporate [speaker003:] those little key-rings have both, so [disfmarker] [speaker002:] th e the true fact, considering the cost of an LED, we could just incorporate it anyway. [speaker003:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker002:] The LEDs can be surprisingly bright now. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Um. [vocalsound] So [speaker001:] Blue ones particularly. Plus that's a nice wee design touch. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] by the sounds of it, with what we're suggesting so far, your design um the user interface is still quite open, you could go for quite an interesting design. Because we're only going to have a very few key [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] and you've got you know a small LCD, joystick, e I think it leaves you open to a a potential wide range of shapes, something that can make it stand out slightly. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Um if you could look into what we've suggested so far, the feasibility of um small transmitter, um and such, maybe if an LCD screen requires too much power, or such. Ebenezer, um, Marketing Expert [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Well I can give you the frequency, what people what options people use most often, I guess that's gonna be important in the ts defining the the software side of the interface, right. You want the stuff [gap]. [speaker002:] If, yeah if you could maybe as well see what people think about the idea of this minimalist approach that we've taken, where of a joystick to control the very basic functions, [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker002:] and then the idea of manipulating it like you would a mobile. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker002:] I don't know how easy that will be within the time frame, but could be something we could maybe look into. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. Sure. Sure. [speaker002:] Okay. Um any last comments that anybody would like to put forward? Anything that they think has been missed out. Bit of a wide open question there of course. [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker002:] Feel free to email me if you think that uh we've screwed something up and wanna get it rectified as soon as possible. [speaker003:] Sure. 'Kay. Yeah. [speaker002:] Right. [speaker004:] So I should just look at um the speaker, [gap] the speaker and an LED. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] And [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Speaker and LED for locating, um, [speaker004:] Yeah, [speaker003:] Transmitter [gap]. [speaker004:] and a transmitter. [speaker002:] transmitter [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Actually one one wee thought about that. Um, if we do end up trying to market this to television manufacturers then the um then the transmitter could actually be built into the television. [speaker002:] [gap] getting the external power source, yep, that's quite true. Um, and something that we can can easily be adopted at the last minute as well I'd say. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] The electronics could be s either placed externally or internally, makes no difference to the final product of the actual remote control, [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] so that's good. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] 'Kay. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] You know I think [speaker004:] P [speaker001:] I mean if it w if we get a major television manufacturer to say y oh yeah we'll have that, save us the bother, then that's you know vast amounts of sales. Quite quickly. [speaker002:] Oh, one thing that we've almost not talked about at all, my apologies for that, um, user interface, we also need to maybe get the slogan in here, um it's, [speaker004:] Fashion. [speaker002:] I'm pointing at my laptop, what in God [disfmarker] Real reaction, and such. So um [disfmarker] [speaker004:] The slogan is [disfmarker] yeah, [speaker002:] Oh, sorry. [speaker004:] the slogan's we put the fashion in electronics, isn't it? [speaker002:] My apologies. No it could well be, I've probably missed that. Um, I think that's l almost the last minute thing [speaker004:] 'S also look cool. [speaker002:] we can just incorporate into the actual plastic on top. So I'm not too concerned a that we haven't gone into depth about that. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker002:] But it might be something you could consider when you're thinking about shapes? In fact we might like to put a slogan on, [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] and um possibly the two Rs to signify the company. Rather than real reaction. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. Mm. Yeah. I thought the uh the d the double arc could perhaps uh be the uh the enter button. [speaker002:] Sounds good. And I'd say that that's us for now. [speaker001:] [gap]. [speaker002:] Okay.

[speaker001:] So [speaker004:] So [disfmarker] [speaker001:] I hope you're ready for this uh functional design meeting. [speaker004:] Of course. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Um so I will take the minutes you mm you three are going to do presentation. Um uh we want to know [disfmarker] to [disfmarker] at the end to know the new project's requirement so we need uh to know the the user uh needs that we want to fulfil to fulfil the [disfmarker] from the technical part we want to know how it going to work and um [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] third part [vocalsound] uh I don't remember [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] which is not very good. Ah of course, how to to design this uh this [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Nice stuff [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] yeah. So um let's go for the three presentations, so first um Marketing Expert. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Who starts? [vocalsound] Oh. Ha. okay. [speaker001:] So wait a minute. Mm. [speaker004:] So I dunno if I can do that like this? Yeah? So it's being modified. Do you want [disfmarker] yeah, open. Read only. I hope I saved it. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] So, um [speaker002:] Sammy Benjo. I know this name uh. [speaker004:] yeah, this is my name. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Sounds uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] We met before. [speaker004:] So as you know, you [disfmarker] I think you already know me, Sammy Benjo. I am the expert in marketing and I want to tell you about what people uh s want and uh like and dislike in remote controls, and I hope this is going to help you to to design it correctly. So next please. Uh-oh. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Mm [vocalsound] uh. [speaker003:] Yeah, it is put F five [gap]. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Hmm. [speaker001:] Hmm. [speaker003:] The full page presentation, [speaker004:] Yeah maybe in the full page [speaker003:] yep. [speaker004:] because i I spent lots of time doing this presentation, so. [speaker002:] F F five. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] Yeah. Yep. [speaker001:] F five. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Uh-huh hmm okay. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. Mm. [speaker004:] So basically uh what I suggest is that uh instead of deciding ourself what what could be and what should be a good uh remote control, let's ask people who are users of remote controls how they feel about w the current remote controls, what they like, what they don't like and um and what they do with them by the way [vocalsound] because they are supposed to be useful. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Don't forget about that. So we've we've conducted a a survey on on the use of uh remote controls and I'd like to show you some of the results we found on this survey. And next please. Yeah, so basically what we found was that uh there are several things that the user don't like in remote controls. First of all, they find it very ugly. [vocalsound] Current remote controls as you know they're the same as this one uh they're not nice colour, not nice shape, I mean they're all the same, and they're not l good looking. Um what is interesting is that in fact it seems that they were [disfmarker] people are ready to pay for nice and look [disfmarker] and fancy looking uh remote control, so I think we should probably spend lots of time in [disfmarker] and effort in that um. And the other thing is that uh the the current remote controls are not so easy to use and it it [disfmarker] the the current uh facilities that they offer do not match what people really want to use their remote controls. For instance uh we see that uh they zap very often so I think this is a very uh important uh functionality that it should be easy for them to to zap uh in one way or another. And most of the buttons uh on uh current remote controls are not used, so I think we should design something where some of the buttons which are those that are used should be easier to see and use than others that only a couple of people are using. Um next please. [vocalsound] Now [vocalsound] people are very frustrated w with their [vocalsound] remote controls [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] and they for instance uh they don't even find it [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] it's [vocalsound] it's often lost somewhere in the in the [disfmarker] in your home and nobody knows where it is. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Maybe if we have something where we could [vocalsound] ask the remote control please, where are you? [speaker002:] Agree. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Like uh something to to [disfmarker] like t I think phones. Some of the phones have some of this kind of s functionality. Uh of course phone you can always phone your phone but [vocalsound] you can't phone your [vocalsound] your remote control. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] You can [disfmarker] you are [gap]. [speaker001:] Why not? [vocalsound] [speaker004:] But why not? Yeah. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] And because of the fact that there are so many buttons in these remote controls that nobody use, in fact they don't even know how to use them, [speaker003:] Hmm. [speaker004:] so most of the the people say they they don't know how to [disfmarker] they [disfmarker] to use properly their r remote controls. And uh they are bad for RSI but uh I don't remember what is RSI. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] Okay uh tha that's look great. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] So I think they are bad. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] RSI mm-hmm. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. Mm nobody has any idea about that? Well I'll check uh with my [speaker003:] Yeah, it's electromagnetic waves or something kind of maybe uh effect. [speaker004:] Oh, okay, [speaker002:] No, I don't think so. [speaker004:] I think it's a technical thing which our [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah, because infrared uses some electromagnetic technology, [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. Okay. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker003:] and those waves have high [disfmarker] [speaker004:] So, it seems that [vocalsound] it's a lot of people for a concept that we don't know [vocalsound] [speaker002:] But twenty six percent, do you know [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Or something we don't know. [vocalsound] Mm-hmm. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Uh. [speaker002:] Twenty five. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] but we have to take this into account. [speaker003:] Uh. [speaker002:] Every fourth, you know. [vocalsound] Every four [disfmarker] some of us knows. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah it's [disfmarker] People really [vocalsound] [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker004:] So anyway [speaker002:] One of us [disfmarker] [speaker004:] that's for what the biggest frustration uh of the user and um [speaker003:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker004:] what else do I have? Next slide? Ah yeah. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] So we've listed a couple of uh [speaker002:] Functions. [speaker004:] s uh functions that may be uh used by u the user in the current uh available uh remote controls and uh well the tables look very nice to read but what is important is to understand that the power button is not used often because in general you [vocalsound] use it only once per session, but it is very relevant. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] People want to have a power button. Channel selection is uh o often used [disfmarker] very often used and indeed uh very relevant. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Ah [vocalsound] now I remember what is RSI [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] it's repetitivity stress injury. [vocalsound] We have to be careful with that word but [vocalsound] uh anyway [speaker003:] Uh. [speaker004:] I continue my presentation so [disfmarker] yeah, channel selection is um very important, very often used. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Volume is not often used but people uh want to have control on volume and that makes sense of course. And n then you have things which are very much less often used like the settings. Audio settings, screen settings, even teletext and channel settings. All of them. they're not often used and they are s more or less relevant. It seems that people find teletext teletext uh relevant, even if I personally never use it but seems that it's average relevant at least, so. [speaker001:] I have been told that we uh don't consider teletext, that it's out of date now because of internet. [speaker004:] I can tell you that uh in a l in a scale between one and ten relevant uh not relevant to relevant people scored a six on this, which is not as uh these these two one were [disfmarker] had I think ten I think. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] But but if you compare with these ones, uh I think they scored a one or two. Not very relevant, so [speaker003:] Hmm. [speaker004:] if if there are good reason not to put teletext it's okay but just know that people find it somehow relevant. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] That's for the main functions I think and uh then we can ask uh ourself uh what people don't have that may be useful. For instance I think [disfmarker] net next slide. [vocalsound] One of the thing [disfmarker] the trend uh that uh you are probably aware of is the possibility [disfmarker] the eventual possibility of having speech recognition in your remote control, so you wouldn't have to tap tap in your buttons but just tell your remote control or whatever you need you have what you want. So we've conducted a survey about uh whether people would like or not to have uh this kind of uh functionality in their remote control and as we can see it really depends on the age. Young people, probably because it's a buzz word, find it very relevant. And uh as the age goes up [vocalsound] the [vocalsound] the relevance goes down. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] So now it really depends on the kind of uh targeting uh wha who are we targeting with this remote control? I think if we are targeting young people then uh it's probably something we have to consider. [speaker003:] 'Cause [disfmarker] [speaker004:] If we are targeting you very old people this is something they really don't know why they [disfmarker] this should be so now [speaker001:] Mm-mm. Okay. [speaker004:] this is of course, depends on that. And um I don't have any conclusion, I didn't have time the meeting was very tight, so that's basically my findings. And uh, if you have any question? [speaker001:] Mm I think it's good, okay. You done a good review. [speaker002:] I got one question, [speaker004:] I can go back. [speaker003:] Thank you. [speaker004:] Yeah one question, yeah? [speaker002:] uh you are a Market Expert so [speaker004:] I am. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] should we aim at the young people or not? [speaker004:] I think we should aim at the young people. But uh I think they are [disfmarker] they are those uh who might be more interested in a in a new device. [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker004:] In general the the early adopters of a new device are young people, less than [disfmarker] more than [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Okay, [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker002:] then teletext is used less. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] Then teletext is useless for them I think, [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker004:] yeah. Because they they have other means of finding their information. Yeah. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm mm mm. Okay. [speaker004:] But [disfmarker] yeah. Nope. [speaker001:] That's good point. [speaker003:] Mm, yep. [speaker002:] Mm. Okay. [speaker004:] 'Kay? [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] Thank you. [speaker001:] So um now I think it's the turn of the the [disfmarker] [vocalsound] I'm not sure um [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Of the technical function, so [vocalsound] uh [speaker004:] So I think it's you, huh? [speaker003:] Uh it's [speaker004:] No? [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] That's me. [speaker003:] techni function of [disfmarker] [speaker001:] what effect [disfmarker] [speaker004:] No, user requiremen [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Okay. Wait a second. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] I have to do working design so uh [speaker001:] Argh. So [speaker002:] That's [disfmarker] but this but number three, [speaker001:] you're [disfmarker] [speaker002:] yes. Mm-hmm. So, my name is Mark Dwight, and um I am responsible for User Interface Design. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] However, uh mm Project Manager asked me to give you some presentation about technical functions design. Uh, as I'm a more an artist [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] that's gonna be less technical functions but more User Interface and current intentions and everything which is linked with this. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] So next slide please. [speaker001:] Okay. Let's go. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] And uh a general method which is [disfmarker] seems to be very useful for our task [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker002:] is not to forget about uh Occam razor. We should never complicate things too much. We should only make a remote control, nothing more. Nothing more than this, just a remote control. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] 'Cause current remote controls they are never easy enough to use. [speaker004:] Makes sense. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] So, make a click, please. So here is this remote control. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] It's quite a standard one, but it's not from a TV, it's from a much easier device like air conditioning or something. But you know, we can use it for a TV easily. Only buttons we need is on off, volume, channels and maybe some options or something else, and please make a click, compared to this one [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] It's [disfmarker] [speaker002:] which one would you prefer? I guess this. [speaker003:] Yeah, yeah. [speaker004:] I would say the simplest one as long as there are the uh [disfmarker] I find the buttons that I need every time I need a button. [speaker002:] Sure, sure. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Maybe it can be yeah middle of [disfmarker] like, between those two [speaker002:] Yeah, [speaker003:] li [speaker002:] and our method is going to be, provide simple [speaker001:] Oh sorry. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] simple desires into simple actions. [speaker004:] Nice. Nice sentence. [speaker002:] Findings. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Okay. Oh sorry. [speaker002:] Our question of the style, we should remember that our company [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] puts fashion into electronics and we should never forget about it. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Concept. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] S you should [disfmarker] yeah. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Be simple. Be simple and you'll lean on this market. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Market is a [disfmarker] of remote controls [disfmarker] you know it better, [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker002:] it's very well, it's it's not an easy field to to play, you know? So be simple. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] For personal preferences I think that to make a baby-proof remote control it got to be a titanium. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] It's a really good style, it going to be [disfmarker] look like like this. It is unbreakable and it is very universal. W we'll have a screen with a back light which can change colours, [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] and we can put all the options into this screen. We'll need only few buttons. All the other things can be controlled through the screen. And all these buttons should be easy to find and to click, 'cause when you watch a movie and you want to change something, you always try to find a good button and click it, but you should do it by touching it and finding it easily just by touch. So [disfmarker] Press [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [gap] [speaker002:] I would propose this concept for design, just few buttons, a screen with a back light which can change colours, titanium [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker002:] I think, and uh what else? I got just very few and good ideas. We need power and volume. And let us include two nice features into this device, first, power on and off can be made fully automatic. When you go to the sofa, take your control and point it to the TV, [speaker001:] It's off. [speaker004:] Hmm. [speaker001:] It's on. [speaker002:] the TV turns on. [speaker004:] And when does it turn off? [speaker002:] When you don't touch the control but you go out of the [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Oh [speaker002:] For for enough time [speaker004:] so you have a [speaker002:] like uh you [disfmarker] [speaker004:] sensing [disfmarker] sensor machine that uh knows [disfmarker] [speaker002:] It's a question to our technical design, our [vocalsound] two engineers. [speaker003:] [gap] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Tech [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] And another nice feature that I would like to implement is uh volume control. Suppose you set u you set up some volume and then you move out or you move to the other corner of the room and take your control with you. Like, you want to to change the chair or you want to move to the armchair from the sofa or something, and then the volume changes. [speaker001:] Or you want to go to the kitchen. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] It's easy to do, you just control the [disfmarker] [speaker004:] According to your distance to [disfmarker] and the angle maybe, if you have a stereo system. [speaker003:] Distance. [speaker002:] According to the distance. [gap] Yeah yeah yeah. [speaker004:] Uh I'm not sure about the screen, [speaker002:] So [disfmarker] [speaker004:] wha what is the use usefulness of the screen? Uh is it a touch screen by the way? [speaker002:] I think it can be just a menu which can be controlled with a left, right, up, down and enter. [speaker004:] So it gives instructions [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] but uh it has to be with an back light somehow. [gap] [speaker002:] So, its main purpose in fact is a back light, [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker002:] which change colours, which makes it easier to find, and each can [disfmarker] it can respond for your voice, like it can turn on the light for you just to f find it easily, yeah? [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker002:] So basically that's it. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Um I see that you target uh several s application not only TV but i like we talk about um universal uh remote control. [speaker002:] Can be easily done, [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] 'cause you got simple designs, y we should put it to simple actions. [speaker001:] Hmm. [speaker002:] Let it be universal, so you want to use it for your hi-fi system. You want to change tracks and you want to adjust volume. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Just few actions, a few actions for everything. [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker001:] Hmm. S [speaker002:] All the rest, we sh we'll put it into this menu on the screen. [speaker001:] Mm. Since we were targeting a really soon uh uh date for the the the um i issuing of this uh remote control I think we will only concentrate on TV for the moment [speaker003:] Mm. Yeah and it [disfmarker] mm. [speaker001:] and then maybe m make it more generalised [disfmarker] yeah. [speaker002:] Okay, okay. Okay, but it's quite universal you know. [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker002:] We can just extend it to any device. [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker004:] So for instance if I want to go to [disfmarker] directly to channel twenty five, how would I do [disfmarker] can I do that with this? [speaker002:] Uh twenty five. [speaker004:] Yeah mm let's say I am uh on channel eight now. You know these days we have hundreds of channels, that's not so easy to go just next next next when you have hundreds of channels. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [vocalsound] In fact I would propose another solution. [speaker004:] Or is it? [speaker002:] Basically you use just four or five channels, [speaker004:] Most people [disfmarker] [speaker002:] right? [speaker004:] yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. So uh set up your TV set like channels that you use they're one, two, three and five, and you will never have to go to a twenty fives channel. [speaker004:] In fact in in one uh remote control that I've seen, instead of doing that d you could just say these are the cha ch channel three, twenty eight, forty eight and uh sixty four are those that I want to by cycled with my next button. [speaker001:] Yeah it's it's the same solution, I think. Hmm. [speaker004:] I uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] B yeah. [speaker003:] But even we can have some uh LCD display, like you can uh de you can just button the number [speaker004:] Go to channel twenty five. [speaker003:] and then it go [speaker004:] One thing is that as I said in my presentation people really do like to z zap. [speaker003:] t because [disfmarker] [speaker004:] So even if they are only watching four or five channels, I think they want to zap out of the one hundred channels, [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] But still [disfmarker] Yeah. [speaker004:] just because this is one kind of thing they do, zapping. [speaker001:] Yeah uh on zap it's only next next next next next, yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] And it's only next. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah so [disfmarker] but you have to [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Mm. We got these buttons here. Next next. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker003:] Yeah.. [speaker002:] Or say this can be back. [speaker003:] Yeah. But otherwise like we can put some display on numbers and then they can just press [disfmarker] suppose two five they just press two and five [speaker004:] So it would be [disfmarker] [speaker003:] and then [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Maybe we can make uh different modes for each button and you can change mode [disfmarker] zapping mode or [speaker003:] Yeah. Yeah, yeah. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. Alright. [speaker001:] uh current chan [speaker003:] Yeah, yeah. Yeah [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Listening more. [speaker003:] but since we are focusing only on TV remote controls [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] so we can have more functions for TV [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] uh if you want to go for a universal then we ought to limit for functions for each of our devices. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Could we carry out some research if we w really need this, like how many people really need to go to channel number twenty five and then to sixty four? [speaker004:] Well I could could uh have a look at that [vocalsound] maybe. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] I'll check in my department if there's someone specialist in that. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker004:] Although I don't know. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Alright? Thanks for your attention. [speaker001:] Uh you're finish? Okay. So now [vocalsound] the technical aspects of this new device. Mm. [speaker003:] Two. Yeah, if [disfmarker] [gap] Sorry. [speaker001:] You prefer it [gap]. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah. Uh as you know, I am mister Ramaro. I am an expert in uh industrial design of all electronic devices and I previously devised many uh [disfmarker] like digital calculators and electronic calculators. [vocalsound] So now I'll briefly describe the working design of our remote control. Well, as you know the basic function of remote control is sending some message to the the device, like TV or VCR or DVD player etcetera. So we will have a p portable device which will send message to the the main device like TV. So we need to have some energy source to do what [disfmarker] to do the functions, what we want on this portable device. [vocalsound] And usually this [disfmarker] so to do these functions we need an interface, which basically some kind of pressing buttons or keys or like moving jack or something like that. And then these messages [disfmarker] these key buttons can be transferred into some kind of message and then it will process by the chip and then it will generate some information to the main device. It's generally in the form of infrared or some kind of s sensor information. Then we will have the main control in the main device to do the particular action what we want. So, basically we need uh since we are focusing on our interface device [gap] remote control mainly the energy source like the battery and then we have user interface like uh the keypad and you know buttons we want, and then we have some chip, it's mainly digital signal processing chip because since we are [disfmarker] I am one doing mostly digital uh devices we ought to have some kind of processor which take care of all these functions and put it in some digital format. And then we'll have the infrared LED source which sends the information to the main device. Then we'll have switch in our main uh um device to do particular operations, and we ought to do different codes for different TVs, so some TVs will have different encryption codes for doing s s uh channel changing and these things. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. Okay. To make it quite uh an universal uh device uh. [speaker003:] Yeah yeah, because the people don't use one particular brand so [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker003:] or at least we have more more than five brands, which are really good. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] So we need to check their specifications and do their uh encryption that's passing information to the TV device. So we need to have particular encryption codes. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] Then, components, so we have the main uh energy source and then we will have some buttons and then we will have infrared uh source and then we have some inside some chip in in the device. Uh since I don't have much time so I'll input the connections to all this components. And since I also want to know feedback from our Marketing Expert and User Interface, [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] so if you want to add some more components we can incorporate them. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. And from from the discussion we had do you [disfmarker] can you make it on the whiteboard, or [disfmarker] mm. [speaker003:] Yeah. Yeah, I'm sure, because since our User Interface [gap] speech recognition and also Marketing Expert for the speech recognition is really handy, [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] so we can have another, like uh s simple speech recogniser on our DSB chip. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker003:] Since we have some kind of uh energy this is our this normal battery, so this battery, once you s switch on it will take power and we can have some speech recognition and in our g generally small digital signal processing chip so that and we will put uh the small uh simple speech recogniser and we can also train the speech recogniser for particular user [speaker001:] On [disfmarker] [speaker003:] so you just [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Uh train it, okay. [speaker003:] yeah, [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] so that we just use simple recog [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Too complex. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] no [speaker004:] But uh very very good to sell. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] but but [disfmarker] Yeah. No, even in [disfmarker] you can find even simple mobile device like any mobile brand you can have these voice dialers or these things, yeah. [speaker004:] Think of a all these young people who would love to say that this remote control only works for them, [speaker002:] Okay. Okay. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] and ha ha you cannot use my remote control, because it's targeted to me. Whatever. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Mm. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] And what about the price of this component? [speaker003:] So [disfmarker] Uh maybe we can make uh it in five Euros and even less than that, [speaker001:] It mm [disfmarker] okay. [speaker004:] Hmm. Cheap. [speaker003:] because we want to have uh millions and in bulk, [speaker004:] Millions. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Mm. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] so we can make really simp [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] and we want to make really simple device [speaker004:] Cheap. [speaker003:] because we have only very few words like like power, switch on or some like [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] then we'll have something like this um we'll have volume and then we will have s particular channel, so users can listen. [speaker004:] The user uh will just be able to say uh please can you uh pump up the vo pump up the volume [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] or or it will be something like volume, up, down. [speaker003:] Ye No, yeah, a user can use any kind of sender but they should have this prompt [gap] volume and then [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker001:] With a keywords and [disfmarker] yeah. [speaker003:] yeah volume and decrease or increase, so we try to only recognise those words [speaker004:] Okay. Couple of words. [speaker003:] and and because we can't really say user to say same wording [speaker001:] Mm-hmm mm. [speaker003:] then it become more mechanical and [disfmarker] yeah. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] Um. [speaker003:] And then we can have channel they can say, okay I want eight, because we don't know like users have different programmes, I mean they don't really follow same channels strict uh so we just want channel number, [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Okay. [gap] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker003:] we don't want like BBC or CNN or something else [speaker004:] Of course uh it has to be [disfmarker] [speaker003:] because it will be complicated so we'll have only these three uh main basic uh anyway volume is not really speech recognition problem, [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker003:] it's it it will be take care of our main [disfmarker] mm. [speaker002:] No you know it's a conceptual question, 'cause now I see th this [disfmarker] the picture in front of my eyes like a user taking his remote control and shouting into it, volume up, volume up, [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] But then I think you you [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] and and he's coming [disfmarker] you know, he's really annoyed with this, down, up, down. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] First of all I I think this is not uh functionality that it is going to be instead of using the buttons. [speaker001:] No, in no not only speech, yeah. [speaker004:] It's on top of using the button. [speaker002:] Okay, [speaker001:] [vocalsound] I it's an option. [speaker002:] for this budget like twelve Euros. [speaker004:] Well, I dunno. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah actually we we can have one switch to like uh switch on, on and off, this [gap] processor and [disfmarker] This really [gap], suppose like here we have our main chip which controls power, volume and this part and this DSPs. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] Again, this to have some interaction like suppose people use DSP then it particularly sends some information to the chip like in some form, like volume and [gap] like this key. So it may not be like very expensive, [speaker002:] Okay.. [speaker003:] because since we are only focusing on TV remote control [speaker004:] TV. [speaker003:] so [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. [speaker003:] and we have only few things here [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Sho to to train, okay. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Did you consider the r gest uh gesture recognition? [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Like, if I want to put volume up I like do [disfmarker] mm I take my remote control do like [disfmarker] something like [speaker003:] Um uh uh this point we didn't consider [speaker002:] roll 'em up or roll 'em down. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Very expensive, [speaker003:] because it's it's very expensive [speaker004:] no? [speaker003:] because v our target is only like twelve point five Euros [speaker001:] And well, what about the idea of automatic on off on the button, yeah. [speaker002:] Mm why? [speaker003:] and [disfmarker] [speaker002:] That's just [disfmarker] [speaker004:] And volume control. [speaker003:] Yeah, even automatic on off is also a bit problematic, because it [disfmarker] different criteria for different people like so suppose people are really uh they just uh they don't touch the remote and mm y you don't know how much time you need to switch on or switch off [speaker004:] So but uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] and [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Sh should we target a a user personalised uh uh remote control? So in in a given room there might be more than one remote control. We would uh have each one and uh with our own personal uh settings. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yay yeah. Yeah that can be possible, especially for power settings, so user can say okay, suppose they're watching a tennis match or something then they can say okay uh after one hour I [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Hmm. [speaker001:] Wouldn't that make uh [vocalsound] arguments? [speaker003:] They can make [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah, of course. [speaker001:] I want uh [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] Yeah we can have [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] That's no problem, we will sell more. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] And we can increase this [vocalsound] the strength [speaker002:] [vocalsound] We got a really good Market Expert. [speaker004:] Yeah exactly. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] y you can buy one with [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Let's send more, let's sell more. Okay. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. Okay. You have mm something else to say? Uh. [speaker003:] Uh, not very much, like [disfmarker] yeah. [speaker001:] No. [speaker004:] Okay. Thanks. [speaker001:] Okay, [speaker003:] Thank you. Yep. [speaker001:] thanks. [speaker003:] Thank you. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] So [speaker003:] Can you just [disfmarker] yeah. [speaker001:] mm [speaker003:] [gap] [speaker001:] mm I think, okay, we're just on time. Um mm mm. So, we're now going to l have the lunch break. [speaker004:] Mm great. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Then we will work again for thirty minutes individual work, and um [vocalsound] we will uh meet again for the next meeting, and uh in this one want to to be more focused on the individual actions the um [disfmarker] on the components so [vocalsound] uh you will focus on the component concept um [speaker003:] Yeah yeah. [speaker001:] uh of course the UID Mark will be uh focused on the user interface concept [speaker003:] Mark will [disfmarker] [speaker001:] and uh our m Market Expert Sammy Benjo uh on the trend watching. So [vocalsound] um of course like before specific instruction will be sent to you by your personal personal coach. Well I think that's all. And we have um maybe we have to [disfmarker] we say, only for TV, not teletext? [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Uh I think automatic on off control uh it's not possible. [speaker003:] Uh it's in current price, yeah. [speaker004:] Difficult. [speaker001:] Yeah, maybe in the next uh step if we make it work um. [speaker003:] Yeah. But speech recogniser can be possible. [speaker001:] Yeah, implemented. O okay, we can think about that. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] And um do you see something else? [speaker004:] No. [speaker002:] Uh, should it be equipped with the uh, with uh speakers? [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Speakers in the remote cont [speaker002:] Like, you want to find it, you shout [speaker004:] Oh yeah. [speaker002:] control, [speaker001:] Uh yeah that's [disfmarker] [speaker002:] and it answers is I'm here? Or [disfmarker] [speaker004:] It just beeps. That would be enough. [speaker002:] Just beeps? [speaker001:] Or maybe you want to phone him. [speaker004:] Something very cheap. But that's ex that's expensive. Uh. [speaker003:] Yeah yeah yeah. [speaker001:] Since now all [disfmarker] yeah? [speaker003:] Yeah, especially the power, it really consumes [speaker001:] Think [speaker003:] because it should be all the time on [speaker001:] Uh-huh. [speaker003:] and [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Well I I heard of devices where you just uh whistle them [speaker001:] And uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] and and they [disfmarker] [speaker001:] And it's answered. [speaker004:] because of the the frequency they they just answer to that. [speaker003:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker002:] I can't whistle. No, no, I can't. [speaker004:] You can't whistle. Uh-huh. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Or a clap. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] Clap clap clap it's a good [disfmarker] [speaker004:] You can clap. Can you? [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Clap is good. [speaker001:] I I think it's universal. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Tak [vocalsound] Just a [vocalsound] suggestion. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] What about people without hand? [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yeah I think it's good. [speaker001:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] With only one hand? [vocalsound] [vocalsound] These are not our target people. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Mm uh okay. [speaker003:] But it's a good feature I guess yeah we need to think about more how to incorporate it. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. Okay. [speaker002:] Just don't interfere with other devices like 'cause like all these people do that their lights are turning on with clapping. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. Oh [speaker003:] Oh. [speaker004:] that's e that already exists [speaker002:] Yeah, [speaker004:] okay okay. [speaker002:] I got it at my home, like [gap] [vocalsound]. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] Oh yeah, you do have. [speaker002:] Oops. [speaker004:] Wow. You're trendy. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Ah it's [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Mm-hmm, so [vocalsound] let's to think s so that [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Think about it. Yeah, okay. [speaker001:] yeah. I think that could be in the component uh concept uh. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] It [disfmarker] yes. [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker004:] Okay. Good we're done? [speaker001:] So, yeah, [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] let's go to lunch. [speaker004:] Right, thanks. [speaker003:] Thank you, thank you very much. [speaker001:] [gap]

[speaker002:] Here we go again. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] My mouse is not working anymore. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Oh. [speaker004:] Oh. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] He's uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker003:] when I put it in, is is going to beep beep beep. [speaker004:] Oh, I got a nice little screen here over here. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] I got like this big black border uh on every side. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] Mm, okay. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] I'll I'll fix it. [speaker001:] Everybody ready? [speaker002:] Yeah, it's okay. [speaker004:] Yeah, whatever. [speaker001:] Welcome at the functional design meeting, again presented by Maarten. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Uh this is the agenda, the opening. Uh, we've got three presentations. And I'm gonna show you some of the new projects requirements that were sent to me. And we're gonna make a decision on the remote control functions. We have uh forty minutes. [speaker004:] Yes. [speaker001:] Oh, well this is the [vocalsound] the closing already. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] So uh [disfmarker] well we start off with the th the first presentation then. Uh, I think um in uh [disfmarker] we have to do it in uh in right order. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] Maybe the [disfmarker] [speaker004:] I don't know what the right order is. So [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Well, it [disfmarker] [speaker002:] No. [speaker003:] Huh. [speaker001:] Oh that. It won't [disfmarker] doesn't [disfmarker] Maybe we should start with the the technical functions. [speaker003:] Okay, how can I get this on the whiteboard? [speaker001:] Yeah? Well it's you dumped the file in the uh in the sh in the project document folder. [speaker002:] In project. [speaker003:] Okay, I've done that. [speaker001:] You've already done that? [speaker002:] No can that open. [speaker003:] Yes. [speaker001:] Well let's close this one. We'll just uh open a new one. [speaker002:] Open it there. [speaker001:] Uh, well. Yes. Uh-oh. New thing. Oh yeah, uh I have to say something. Uh, due to some uh technical problems I haven't uh digitized the last uh the meeting minutes. But I'll uh make sure that uh happens next time. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Okay. [vocalsound] About the get [disfmarker] [speaker001:] And I'll get this one uh in digital uh form too. [speaker003:] 'Kay, we're going to um uh talk about working design. Um, the method of the remote control is uh electrical energy, it activates a chip uh in the remote. It's an electrical circuit which compose uh messages in the form of uh uh infrared signals to control the television. Mm, it's a nowadays very uh known, a known uh uh technology. Um, the known technology can make a cost very low. Uh, it's a wild uh [disfmarker] a wide sale uh of uh remote controls in the world. And and the components are very uh very cheap. Um, Uh, diodes, uh bat batteries and uh uh LED lights, they're needed and they're uh everywhere available. Uh, again, it's a fair price. It's a common uh technology uh, like I told um [disfmarker] Uh, the circuit board, it's the most um important uh um part of the remote control. Uh, we can use for that uh fibreglass with copper wires, it's [disfmarker] it is uh [disfmarker] can be made as fast as printing paper. It's uh [disfmarker] [vocalsound] it's all very uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] Yeah, they're making it uh all the time. Uh, [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] and it's not uh very specialised uh technology. [vocalsound] I haven't come to here, but um I've got uh some uh images of uh remote controls. They were not uh very uh trendy or just uh just a remote control like everyone knows. So I don't know uh why I should put it here. Uh [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Okay. But it's the technical side of the remote control. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yes, but uh I uh haven't made it because uh of the time. [speaker001:] Oh. Okay. Well, we'll we'll have to skip that part then. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] What? [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] But you don't think it's a problem um to design uh the technical part of the remote control? [speaker003:] [vocalsound] No. [speaker001:] It's gonna be easy? [speaker003:] Yes. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] But nothing restricted for user interface? [speaker001:] Yeah. M [speaker002:] With technical [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Um, no, it's uh it's just a part of uh a known technology, yeah. [speaker002:] I don't know. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] 'Kay. [speaker003:] Remote control is nothing special nowadays. [speaker001:] R regardless of what type of functions we want to implement. Doesn't really matter. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker003:] Um [disfmarker] [speaker002:] But I kind of uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] I don't think so, [speaker001:] Okay. Yeah, [gap] okay. [speaker003:] because of the [disfmarker] all the televisions uh [disfmarker] there are a few [disfmarker] maybe a couple of televisions with the new functions, [speaker002:] Yes. Uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] but is it useful to put them on a on a standard uh remote? [speaker001:] Well, we'll see. We'll see later on. [speaker002:] Well, the technical functions. Um, well I don't know if you got the same uh pictures as I got, [speaker001:] No. [speaker002:] but uh I got these two, [speaker003:] No. [speaker002:] and I think they're [disfmarker] we have to focus uh on uh the uh one hand the expert view or the novice user. [vocalsound] th I think it's it's very much uh depending on the user requirements, I don't s uh know who's doing t [speaker001:] Well, uh will there be some uh user requirements later on? [speaker002:] Yeah, but it [disfmarker] I think that's very important to watch uh what kind of functions there we want to uh put in a remote control. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] The ones I [disfmarker] I've uh received from the account manager. Yeah. Well, we'll keep this in mind, and then discuss it later on. [speaker002:] Yeah, well y we can put functions in it when uh [disfmarker] yeah, when we uh get the user requirements uh and we can update it. [speaker001:] Uh-huh. Okay, but this real this uh big d uh distinction between this type of remote. [gap] we should we should choose one uh [disfmarker] we should not compromise but uh really choose for uh expert viewer or novice v [speaker004:] Yes, I agree. Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah? Well, what [disfmarker] that's what you want [disfmarker] trying to say. [speaker002:] Well, yeah w if you want try a a a huge market, if you want to reach a huge market, uh like elderly people and [disfmarker] we have to choose for novice user. [speaker001:] Okay. Okay. [speaker002:] But I don't know. It's it's really um depending on how how how far the the the remote controls are already in n um in use. [speaker001:] Yeah, well [vocalsound] some of these [disfmarker] Uh, yeah. Well, some of that will [disfmarker] Yeah, but i but it will be more clear when we come to the uh u uh some of the new requirements. [speaker002:] Yeah, probably, yeah. [speaker004:] Yes. [speaker001:] So [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Uh well, there are l at least uh basic functions, uh like just th the channels uh one till nine, uh on and off switch, which must be clear with a red button or something like that. Um, most standard uh have volume, of course, and a mute function, and, of course, the next and previous channel. I think that's just basic what we need. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] And from that on we can [gap] user requirements what we need more. Uh [disfmarker] Yeah, I just um um I thought Joost was looking at the trendy [disfmarker] the trends in the markets, [speaker004:] Yes. [speaker002:] and I don't know if there uh are any um [disfmarker] uh if you put more functions, more buttons, maybe it's com becoming less trendy or something like that. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] I haven't really found a conclusion like that. [speaker002:] M you can just [vocalsound] you can k [vocalsound] you can keep it in mind that. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] I don't know. Uh, I th I thought the the [disfmarker] with less buttons you can make a more trendier uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Design. [speaker002:] yeah, more trendier design, I think. I think. [speaker004:] Sounds interesting. [speaker002:] Yeah? [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Uh, well, that's all I have to say, I think. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] Yeah, that was it. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Alright. [speaker001:] Well, then the Marketing expert can uh tell us something about the current market. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yes. [speaker002:] [gap]. [speaker004:] Yeah. It's alright. Um [disfmarker] Alright, I've done some research for functional requirements. Um [disfmarker] yes. The working method um [vocalsound] there were hundred uh uh w h one hundred people, uh how do you say uh, f watched using remote controls in the usability lab and they also uh filled out a questionnaire uh with a few questions. Uh, I've lined them up here. Uh, ask whether um common remote control looks good or not, about willingness to spend money on remote control, about zapping behaviour, and uh and stuff like that. I uh have found some interesting things. We do we do got a market. Um, [vocalsound] three out of four people claim m uh to find remote controls ugly. So if we make a trendy design, we sure have seventy fi seventy five percent of the market, which you can reach. Um, three out of four users uh zaps a lot, as I uh quoted here from the uh results. [vocalsound] Zap buttons are used one hundred and sixty eight times per hour. That's quite a lot. Um, [vocalsound] relevant options are, of course, power buttons. Although, only used once per hour. Uh, channel selection, volume and buttons for text, and the more um, yeah, other functions, like audio settings, video settings, sound settings are not said to be very important and uh very much used. Furthermore, fifty percent says uh they only use ten percent of the buttons on a remote control. That doesn't say we got [disfmarker] we can leave ninety percent off. But it sure um says we shouldn't make it too uh complicated. Fifty percent also claims uh to have lost a remote control very often in the room. And um [vocalsound] an important thing here, the most important customers uh, which is over seventy percent of our market, is in the age range of thirty six to sixty five years old. And uh elderly people, our market, are less interested in uh nice features, but more willingly to spend more money on remote controls. So, [vocalsound] what I was thinking [disfmarker] oh, wrong side. We shouldn't implement too much features on uh on our remote control, because elderly people will get th lost. Group features for a higher usability, uh what I was claiming in the previous meeting. Um, all the settings, about audio settings, video settings and channel settings, which are not very often used, we could group them uh on one button and make them accessible uh in one menu button or whatever, because they are used very rarely and well, it uh [disfmarker] there are a lot of options there, so we can really make uh [disfmarker] yeah, how do you say, we can spare at buttons over there. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] And um, if you want to implement VCR and DVD options, group them in the button, not too uh [disfmarker] [vocalsound] Yeah. Small buttons, so they won't be very um, how do you say [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Visually presents. [speaker004:] Yes, won't be very present, thank you. And a trendy look, well uh, although seventy percent of the market is uh [disfmarker] consists of elderly people uh who don't really care for trendy looks or whatever, I guess it can do no harm to make it trendy for the other thirty percent. That was kind of what I found. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker001:] Well, then we [disfmarker] I'm gonna show you some of the new project requirements and then we gonna discuss on uh what features we find important. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yes. [speaker001:] Uh, well some of the uh new requirements [vocalsound] make some of your findings quite uh irrelevant, I think. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Because um uh s decided to put [disfmarker] They have decide to put two additional requirements forward. Well, now I see four. [speaker004:] Two? [vocalsound] [speaker001:] That's kinda strange. Well, they say tele teletext becomes outdated since the popularity of the internet. Well, I think that may be so, but well, we can't just leave the teletext button off. [speaker002:] Well [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] No uh, I agree, I agree. [speaker001:] It's impossible, I think. [speaker002:] No way. [speaker001:] So the compromise we could make is just to make one teletext button, you know, like on and off, and don't make a lot of special [disfmarker] put a lot of special features on it to make it transparent or [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Not too much, no. [speaker001:] You know, it's just you want you want to be able to make use of teletext, but not to play with it that much. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] So we have to think of that. The remote control should only be used for television. Otherwise, the project becomes more complex, which endangers the time t t ma uh the time to market. So maybe we should leave all DVD and VCR related features off completely. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker001:] I don't know. I think that uh that's what they're trying to say. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Uh, our current customers are within the age group of forty plus. New products should reach a new market with customers that are younger than forty. So you uh talked about the elderly who were willing to spend more on a remote control and who were interested. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] But, well, they're not relevant because we are aiming at a younger [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] I don't really agree actually, to be honest. It's a very small market which we will approach then if we uh want to reach customers younger than forty. It's only like thirty percent of the total market. [speaker001:] Yeah, but it is [disfmarker] it's is a dif it's a fact that the th th that bigger market you're talking about, we already cover that. [speaker004:] Mayb yeah? [speaker001:] Our company already sells remote control to the older people, but we we also want, [vocalsound] you know, a new customer group. That's the one we haven't covered yet. So I think that's what the problem is. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker001:] We haven't got remote controls for uh [disfmarker] Well I think, yeah. [speaker004:] Maybe maybe we can compromise a little bit. [speaker001:] Yeah, I think so. Maybe if it's [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Not too much then, bu alright. [speaker001:] no no, but I think we have to just keep in mind what the older age group wants. So maybe we can make a remote control that's primarily interesting for the younger group, but isn't that bad for an older person either. [speaker004:] Yes. [speaker001:] Uh, our corporate image sh should stay recognisable in our products. Our product's corporate colour and slogan must be implemented in the new design. Okay, [vocalsound] something else nice to know. [speaker002:] But what's our slogan? [speaker001:] Sorry? Yeah, [vocalsound] you will have to look that up. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] The slogan uh [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah, I'll have a look. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] We put the fashion in electronics. [speaker001:] I think it's something about the [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Puts fashion in electronics. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Oh, okay. [vocalsound] I thought it w might be, let's make things better or something, but [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Sense simplicity. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Sense and simplicity. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Okay well, [vocalsound] let's go back to the the agenda. So we've now had to [disfmarker] the three presentations. We know about the new project requirements. That means we can uh well d yeah, discuss on the remote control functions. Well, if I can uh make a start, I think it's becoming more clear what kind of remote control it's gonna be, and I already talked about the [disfmarker] maybe you have a f familiar with the rem remote control that has the the can opener underneath it. I think we're we're looking for some [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah, we we're looking for a really simple remote control with only basic TV functions. Y well, that [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Well, to be honest, if um our uh aim group is uh till forty, not older than forty, maybe that's not very uh [disfmarker] yeah, we don't really need to have a simple remote control. [speaker001:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker004:] I think we can implement more functions then, because um [vocalsound] basically uh the younger people are more able to adapt to new technology [speaker002:] Yeah, but wha [speaker004:] and therefore will be a more [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah, yeah. M yeah, that's why um well a lot of um the use the requirements the the account manager sent me, I think they are are c are contradicting each other, [speaker002:] But [disfmarker] [speaker001:] because they want a simpler design, and no uh other uh s functions than just TV, but they s do aim at a younger [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yes. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yeah, but you sai you said that that a lot of functions aren't used. [speaker001:] Well, ma [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] So why should j we put this function in? [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Well, I think [disfmarker] [speaker002:] I think more [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] I think uh people [disfmarker] younger people are more looking for just a trendy look than uh more functions. [speaker001:] But I think uh you [disfmarker] we can make some discuss uh distinctions in uh what kin in the, know, th th in functions you have [disfmarker] Y Well you have different kind of uh equipment in your room, like a t TV and a DVD player. [speaker004:] Yes. [speaker001:] You can uh, know, you [gap] you can [vocalsound] make very d you can put very detailed functions regarding the TV set on your remote control uh with the with uh the, you know, audio settings and uh v uh screen settings. We don't want that. I think that was [disfmarker] that became clear. We don't want. But w maybe we should put some func uh, I know that the younger people will most likely have a DVD player they want to, you know, they want to uh [speaker004:] Yeah, control. [speaker002:] Yeah, but uh you said [disfmarker] [speaker001:] control, remotely. [speaker002:] Yeah, d yeah, but th the functions are not in the remote control we're making. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] No, yeah, th th the user requirements of the the [disfmarker] The new project requirements told us not to [disfmarker] [speaker002:] It's n Yeah. [speaker001:] But maybe w Yeah. I think we maybe should [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah, well we should uh put some functions for other [disfmarker] maybe for other equipment on it. But just the basic functions. Maybe like rewind and wind, [speaker004:] [gap] [speaker001:] or n what d what do you guys think? [speaker003:] But you can put them under the same button. [speaker004:] Not much more than that. Yep. [speaker001:] Yeah, if [disfmarker] as far as possible. [speaker004:] Or we can u u we could put 'em behind the flip-flap or whatever. So t [speaker001:] But what do you think? Do th should we implement features that uh uh or functions that [disfmarker] to control other devices? [speaker002:] No. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] No, you don't think so? [speaker002:] No, new requirements say no. [speaker001:] Yeah, the new requirements say so. [speaker002:] So [disfmarker] [speaker003:] But you can put a play and stop and and rewind. [speaker001:] Well, maybe it's [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker001:] maybe there there there is something th m most of the time these functions don't support the particular device as well as their their own remote control. [speaker002:] Yeah, but [disfmarker] [speaker001:] You know, a lot of DVD players have some tricky settings with [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yes, but we [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Y yes. [speaker002:] I i if it's too simple uh th they won't use the remote control, they use their own th th [vocalsound] with lot more functions. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yep, exactly. That's that's wha [speaker004:] But but for for example, VCR, that's better example in this case. I think on a remote control for television you don't need to be able to programme uh the VCR to start recording at three PM or whatever, [speaker001:] No no, you don't [vocalsound] [disfmarker] No no, you don't need it. No, no. [speaker002:] No, no. Exactly. [speaker003:] Huh. [speaker004:] just play, stop, rewind and uh fast forward. [speaker001:] Okay, but we have to think uh [disfmarker] w we have to think DVD I th uh, I guess, [speaker004:] Yeah, I know, but uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] so um but uh from my experience it's kinda [vocalsound] a lot of DVD players, you know, like forwarding, goes differently. Uh, you get two speed or eight speed or sixteen speed. [speaker002:] Mm, yeah. [speaker001:] It's c sometimes a bit difficult. Maybe if we just leave the DVD functional m uh [disfmarker] Well, I was thinking about putting it in, but concerning the project requirements and what you just said, I think we m should focus on the TV then. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yes. [speaker002:] Yeah, but just [disfmarker] [vocalsound] keep it simple and look more at th [speaker001:] And uh and it's just an uh a complimentary remote and not a universal one. If you want to keep it simple, you can make a universal remote. [speaker002:] No. It's only for television. So [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] Yes, but there are there are [disfmarker] [speaker001:] It's just a s it it should be something that is like a gadget on your coffee table, and it's just for when you you you jump on the couch, you pick up the the the nice remote, the simple one, just to put on the television, nothing more. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah, nothing more. Exactly. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] Alright. [speaker001:] Um, but what televis [speaker003:] But how wi how will you be able to handle a whole market? There are uh a dozen of uh [disfmarker] dozens of of remote controls that have [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah, we we'll make w this one trendy. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] And simple. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] The user interface is easy. [speaker001:] Well, we we will come to that, but ju first on the on the functions. So we should put uh zap buttons on it. Um, also numbers, to uh to go to the specific channels. [speaker002:] And the basic [disfmarker] yeah, basic functions, yeah. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yes, definitely, yeah. [speaker001:] Uh, [speaker002:] It's too much integrated in the other. [speaker001:] Okay, a t a teletext button should be there. But just one big teletext button, on and off. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Probably. [speaker004:] Yeah, and maybe two or three other options, but not [disfmarker] nothing more than that. I think stop function is very useful. If you have a uh a page which consists of more pages, and you are not a very quick reader, [speaker001:] Oh, okay. [speaker004:] then I think it's very irritating if the next page shows up, but [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah, but uh I think that becomes too difficult, it's not a very common function and people will have to read up on their remote then. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Well, I use it very regularly, the action. I re I use it [vocalsound] quite often. [speaker001:] Yeah, yeah, but maybe you s yeah yeah, maybe y you do, but I've never heard of it in the first place. And [speaker002:] Will you look [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] we have to [disfmarker] well t yeah, and t and teletext is becoming outdated. [speaker002:] Look at the market. [speaker001:] We just want to see what programmes are on and what time it is probably. Yeah. I don't know. I think that that's kin getting too complex for our remote. [speaker002:] Well [disfmarker] [speaker001:] I don't know what you th guys think. [speaker004:] Might be. Might be. [speaker002:] Yeah, I [disfmarker] uh, it's [gap] [disfmarker] [gap] Sunday I always use it for the uh yeah, for the soccer uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah, but do you like to have a [disfmarker] such a s stop button? Or do you think it uh [disfmarker] I think it's a kind of uh uh very rare and special function. [speaker002:] Well, uh when you uh uh [disfmarker] when you look uh [disfmarker] for example um, a couple of weeks ago I looked at the [disfmarker] for the flights, and there are a lot of flights in one page, so if if th [speaker001:] Yeah. Okay, it goes [disfmarker] Yeah, but that's kind of stuff we should do on the internet right now. That's why [vocalsound] it was uh said in the in the use in the r new requirements. [speaker003:] Yes, but you could put [speaker002:] Yeah, but [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] on the z on the zap buttons you can put it to uh to uh access all the same pages. If you have seven pages, you can go up and down. [speaker001:] Well yeah uh, lots of new televisions can store pages, you know, and then you can just skip manually through them using [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yes. [speaker002:] True. [speaker001:] I think we should just put one teletext button on it. Then we meet uh the new requirements. we also meet the other thin y you sh you just re we have to choose for the the simple design, I guess. [speaker002:] A simple [disfmarker] yeah. [speaker001:] Okay. Um, well, what functions do we have to decide on? Or do we [disfmarker] uh I dunno if we have t stif specifically name all the functions we n we want. We have the zap and uh the volume. Should we do m make them very big? The the the zap button. D d [speaker004:] I think the plus and the minus button should be uh quite present, [speaker003:] Yes. [speaker001:] Th that's that's that's considered to be trendy also. [speaker002:] But trendy, yeah. [speaker004:] yep. [speaker002:] I don't know. [speaker001:] Or maybe you should place them on a [disfmarker] uh, in a special way? [speaker003:] Maybe we can make uh a kind of a joystick. [speaker001:] Yeah, something or uh [vocalsound] somethin special way to to zap through the [disfmarker] it has to [vocalsound] s it has to be [vocalsound] [disfmarker] yeah, and quick. You have to use it very quickly. [speaker002:] Original. It was uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yep. [vocalsound] If you grab the remote, your hands should be on top of the plus. [speaker002:] True. [speaker001:] Yeah, and it [disfmarker] the buttons should make it um possible to to zap through your channels in a rapid [disfmarker] at a rapid pace. [speaker004:] Yes. [speaker001:] Oh, what should we decide on then? I think in a in a case of this simple remote control, the technical aspects which uh weren't worked out already, but it w shouldn't be a problem then. [speaker003:] But [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] No, it's o just signals uh [disfmarker] and the television d uh does the rest. [speaker001:] Yep. [speaker002:] Maybe uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] No, okay, but we don't have to [disfmarker] uh, when we don't want to uh control other devices, I think it makes it even more simple. [speaker003:] No. [speaker002:] Uh maybe we [disfmarker] uh uh the batteries maybe. If you use large batteries or small batter batteries. [speaker003:] The most standard batteries. [speaker001:] I think I think that we should use uh d [speaker004:] I think double A. [speaker002:] Yeah? [vocalsound] [speaker001:] yeah, not not uh the b the watch kind [speaker004:] Yep. [speaker001:] [gap] [disfmarker] th the most uh [disfmarker] Well, it has to be simple, and I wi [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] The most ordinary uh batteries. [speaker001:] Which are most likely to be found somewhere in the house, you know. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker004:] Yep. [speaker001:] Oh. How much time do we ha we have left uh? [speaker004:] [vocalsound] I think about twenty minutes. [speaker001:] M m m more than thirty minutes? Uh ten twenty minutes. [speaker003:] But i in a way we have to be uh uh special. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Well, uh these these shouldn't [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Early break. [speaker001:] Yeah. Yeah, okay. But that's that's [disfmarker] Do you uh have you have you think about tha thought about that? How we can [disfmarker] what the extra touch can be. [speaker003:] Maybe th m [speaker001:] Do you suggest design or the shape or some gadget f f kind of feature or [disfmarker] Well, it was something about how we lose them. Maybe it should be a remote control when you you clap you hands it makes some noise or some gadget kind of thing. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] I think that's n that's more for a for an age range or uh [vocalsound] ten to twelve or whatever. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] To find him. That's maybe [disfmarker] yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. [vocalsound] I don't know. I don't know. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Nah, um a lot of people like to have such kind kind of kind of gay kind of things. It w it w should be like a birthday present or something that you give someone, and it is i [gap] has something nice. [speaker004:] Yeah, yeah, that's good one, yep. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Or maybe it w should have a big uh light that can flash or something on it, or maybe it should [vocalsound] [disfmarker] or an [disfmarker] or the like the the can opener. Maybe it contains some feature that you don't normally link to a remote control. I think it's very impor because we're gonna make such a basic remote control, we have to do something to make it special. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] It's gonna cost twenty five Euros. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Ye I think the can opener i is a brilliant idea actually, because television and beer is not a rare combination. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah, but the [disfmarker] well, it's already been done. [speaker002:] Yeah, but that's [disfmarker] yeah. [speaker001:] Nah. [vocalsound] Yeah, that's true. But [disfmarker] and I think it's gonna be uh very uh [disfmarker] it has to be sturdy or something, so maybe with with bouncing pads so that you can just throw it on the floor or something. [speaker004:] Yes. [speaker001:] [gap] it has to be used something special, [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yep. [speaker001:] and you really [disfmarker] [vocalsound] it has to, you know y not s people, when they buy it, they have to think, well this one lasts for a long time. We're really gonna use them. Not some thing you you throw away next week, you know. [speaker004:] No, that's true. [speaker001:] So maybe uh that's i I think that's [vocalsound] when uh when we decide on these type of functions, know, basic functions, uh it's very important to find something like this. So there's a very important task for you. And maybe we can all think about it. [speaker002:] Be original, yeah. [speaker001:] Uh, also for you maybe, when t you [disfmarker] it's very nice when you can be entra when you can be trendy, and and uh and al as in a friend [disfmarker] use friendly as well, you know. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. And use friendly, yeah. [speaker001:] So big buttons, flashy design, and maybe some kind of gadget kind of thing. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Must brain-storm. [speaker001:] Uh-huh. [speaker004:] Yeah, a swapable front or whatever. [speaker001:] Yeah, or just different colours would be uh [disfmarker] I don't know if people also wanna spend more money on fronts for their uh remote control. [speaker002:] Well [disfmarker] [speaker003:] For the remote control. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] It could be be [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Why not? [speaker001:] Yeah, you never know, but [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] More money for us. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] But it [disfmarker] and I think we have to make it quite big. [speaker002:] Yeah. Quite big. Yeah, you think? [speaker004:] Yes, definitely, definitely. [speaker001:] Yeah, [speaker003:] That's to be uh a formed for your hand. [speaker001:] [gap] people [disfmarker] So, and and also because uh it is expensive. If you want it to be something, you know, it's ha doesn't have much functions [gap] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] want to be [disfmarker] you don't want to get it l make it [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yes, it [disfmarker] it it should be f [vocalsound] be visible nearly anywhere in the room. As I uh as I said during my presentation, fifty percent uh o [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. And shou and should ni look nice when you put it on a table. I I think you m might wanna put it uh [vocalsound] [speaker002:] A standard or something. [speaker001:] [disfmarker] yeah, that it it it it stands up. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah, you have to put it on its [disfmarker] So it's like a vase or uh something you put on a table. [speaker004:] A face? Or uh yeah, yeah. Yeah. [speaker001:] [gap] no no, [gap] put stuff inside it. But, it's like like a statue or something [gap] [disfmarker] [speaker003:] More like a joystick then. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah, yeah, I see what you mean, yep. [speaker002:] It's like you have uh four phones. Something like that. [speaker001:] Yeah yeah, but [disfmarker] yeah, but you also can put it somewhere near the window in [disfmarker] [speaker004:] If you do that, but I don't know if that's possible within the production cost of twelve and a half Euros. [speaker001:] That it's it's fashionable. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [gap] I [gap] I don't [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] I in in the base we could like make uh a button, and if you push it, the remote control itself s makes noise. [speaker001:] Oh, yeah. [speaker004:] That's probably stupid, but uh as I found here uh, fifty percent, was it fifty? [speaker003:] But that's that's fun for the first time, and then the second [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Uh fifty percent fifty percent often loses remote control. [speaker001:] Yeah, but but when you [disfmarker] [vocalsound] when it gets lost, how can you press the button to make it [disfmarker] [speaker004:] No uh, of the base the the the the the the the thing you put it in. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Oh, okay. [speaker002:] On the television. Oh, like this. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Uh, that's kind of nice. [speaker004:] If an [disfmarker] a button in in that uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Or you can [disfmarker] [speaker001:] And then also you don't even need batteries, because you can make it uh chargeable. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] A char [vocalsound] chargeable. Yeah. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah, you can ma make rechargeable one, yeah. Why not. [speaker003:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah, that w yeah, but [disfmarker] yeah, the pro No, well I think that it might be t p Well, nee but we don't [disfmarker] Yeah. [speaker002:] Why not. [speaker001:] Maybe you, but [vocalsound] we don't know much about production cost, but when you [disfmarker] you can imagine that when you spend twenty five Euros on a remote control and it's a basic remote control, then the then the money [disfmarker] there must be money to spend on that kind of st you know, [gap] rechargeable units. [speaker003:] With recharger. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] It should only cost twelve and a half Euros, of course. Aye? [speaker001:] Yeah, but we would d ma we'd do it in Taiwan and [disfmarker] [vocalsound] So, it's not gonna be that expen [speaker002:] Production. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah, okay. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] It should be possible. [speaker001:] Uh I I think it's a great idea. [speaker002:] I think it's a good idea. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] S some kind of be [speaker002:] To make a base or something? [speaker001:] I've never seen that before, and you make it uh um be uh, you see it with uh the mo the mouses nowadays. [speaker004:] Yes. Yes, definitely. Yeah. [speaker003:] Yes, but is that handy? [speaker001:] Well, I [disfmarker] well it's really ch you can recharge it, so you ha never have the battery problem. That's one [gap]. [speaker002:] It's it's it's it's [speaker001:] And uh you can always find your remote control up [disfmarker] [speaker003:] But but remote controls remote controls nowadays can can last uh two years, three years, with with t two batteries. [speaker002:] it's not the purpose to be handy, it's [speaker001:] Uh, okay. Well, maybe yeah, you could [disfmarker] when that's [disfmarker] when it's too costly, you could probably skip the recharger, [speaker003:] And then you [disfmarker] [speaker001:] but you will [disfmarker] you do need uh also an [disfmarker] uh, also you would need a battery in the the base unit as well, you know. Does it makes it kinda [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yes. [speaker004:] Well y you you could connect that to two hundred to twenty volts, of course. [speaker003:] Or [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Mm. Yeah, but that's not [disfmarker] it's ugly, I think. [speaker001:] Yeah, yeah. Okay. Yeah. [speaker004:] I don't know. [speaker001:] Yeah, but then it's very easy to make it also a rechargeab I don't think that is gonna cost much to make it also a recharge function in it. [speaker002:] No. [speaker004:] On the other hand, if you don't do it, we can also make a nice bay. I mean, it looks trendy and still [vocalsound] still put a bleep function in it, [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker004:] but um I think the bay is definitely uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] I think it's a good idea. And make it, you know, we we um [disfmarker] Well, we uh [disfmarker] it's [disfmarker] it isn't a t a most uh costly uh remote control. We can save on the on the functions. We just [vocalsound] put some simple button in, make it big and sturdy, nothing more, and just make s sure there's some noise that it can make, or probably some kind of cheap light thing around it or that it uh that it lights up, [speaker004:] Sure, why not. Yep. [speaker001:] it's also nice. And if you put it away, I think it's uh w we have to [disfmarker] we uh [disfmarker] that's uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] it's not a easy market. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] We have to something special. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] And for twenty five Euros people want something remote c special from your mote control, [speaker002:] True. Yeah. [speaker001:] and we can't deliver that in r with uh regards to the functions, [speaker004:] Definitely. [speaker001:] because we aren't gonna put [disfmarker] [speaker004:] With eye candy, ear candy, whatever. Yeah, definitely. [speaker001:] Yeah. And then uh when make it, you know, nice looking shape and this [gap] [disfmarker] and then you also you got the stand-up thing. Yeah. I think I think it's a good idea. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah, it must be must be a gadget to have. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Definitely, yeah. [speaker001:] Oh, if it [disfmarker] let's [disfmarker] well, we will see what's possible concerning the the costs, and if it's possible we'll do that. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] And we even try to save up on other stuff to make sure we can do such a thing. And the first thing we [disfmarker] the most likeable thing to to n to skip is then probably the recharge function or something. If that's too expensive, we won't do that. [speaker002:] Yeah, we c [speaker001:] But it would be nice. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] It would be nice, yes. [speaker001:] It's the idea. I know that batteries last long nowadays. And and what people just think about, well, I'll never have to buy any r batteries again, so y b because it's very annoying when your battery is empty. And you know then when you haven't batteries around, and probably for two weeks, your remo [gap] [disfmarker] I've experienced that that [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Most televisions break down before the battery pack is empty, so [vocalsound] yes. [speaker001:] Yeah, okay. So, easy functions. Well, we will we will [disfmarker] I think we'll work that out, zapping, numbers on it, bi [speaker002:] Or just give a beep when the battery's out or uh down. [speaker004:] Yeah, why not. [speaker001:] Yeah. But it's also annoying. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [gap] 'cause as long as it stays [disfmarker] as it ke keeps working, you're not very motivated to do something about it. [speaker004:] Hmm. [speaker002:] Yeah. [gap] true. [speaker001:] Then it beeps all the time and [gap]. [speaker004:] No, that's true. [speaker001:] You don't want to have [disfmarker] ever have those problems, and you won't have if if you have the rechargeable [gap]. And you don't have to use the unit, you can also put it on the side if people don't like it. Uh, i i in the in the ma [speaker004:] Why not. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] But you pay for it. [speaker001:] Yeah, but it w I mean, if if they pay for it because they think, oh, that's a great idea, I'm gonna use it. And when it, you know, when time goes by and they think, well, I'll never put him in the recharger, I think last long enough, then they put it on side and they can use it now and then. Then when they look [disfmarker] get m I I I know for sure that everybody who buys this remote control, within a couple of months of [disfmarker] they will be in the situation that they they're seeking for the remote control, they wanna see something quick and uh just push the button and th uh, [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] I think it's brilliant. [speaker004:] Bleep bleep bleep, oh there it is, yeah. Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah, I've never [disfmarker] it's so simple, but I've never seen it. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] No. Nearly. [speaker002:] And you can leave it just there. [speaker001:] M maybe we should really [vocalsound] do this. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker001:] [gap] [vocalsound] Okay now, well, how much time have we got left? These clocks aren't uh synched. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yes. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Oh, now I've put uh [disfmarker] well, [gap] it is twenty p [speaker002:] Yeah, I'll [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Okay, so we have ten minutes or something? [speaker004:] Something like that, yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah, but we're uh we're done. I think. [speaker002:] Uh fifteen minutes. [speaker001:] We've decided on the functions. Well, there is some [disfmarker] oh. There is a closing sheet. We have lunch break, and then we have thirty minutes of individual work. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Oh. [speaker001:] Oh [vocalsound] okay, I'll make sure [disfmarker] I'll [disfmarker] I had some problems with uh the digitising the the first minutes, the the s the next minutes won't be a problem, but I'll try to make sure the first one will be in the folder too, but maybe it won't work, but you'll see. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] We'll see. [speaker001:] I think these are more important than the first ones, so [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Can you make an uh uh a part of f folder for the minutes maybe? [speaker001:] [gap]. [speaker002:] That not not everything in one one uh folder. [speaker004:] Maarten, five minutes. [speaker001:] Oh, five minutes. Yeah, because uh I I d I did uh [disfmarker] the first minutes I did were were were a bit scratchy, you know. Then I did a s second one with a nicer layout, which I could uh, know, use for the other ones [gap] well, but uh I d think uh I forgot to do [disfmarker] put done under the first one, and when you go write a second uh it's get [disfmarker] it's not working [vocalsound] when you try to write second uh paper or something. [speaker002:] Yeah. Maybe. [speaker004:] No, that's true uh, yeah. [speaker001:] And then you [disfmarker] [gap] [disfmarker] you had to overwrite it or someth I don't know. Becau I d uh, it was not my uh pen. [speaker004:] Should we by the way draw um [speaker001:] [gap] this kind of looks you like. [speaker004:] on our nice whiteboard, um a little uh idea of [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Of the shape. [speaker004:] yeah. [speaker002:] Or the sh [speaker001:] Yeah, probably, it would be nice. [speaker004:] I dunno. Has anyone got um [vocalsound] a little bit detailed ideas about the shape? [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Do you get an idea of the shape? [speaker004:] I don't, for one. [speaker003:] Maybe like this pen. [speaker004:] A bit bigger I guess, but [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] No, bigger. [speaker002:] A little bit bigger, yeah but [disfmarker] [speaker004:] The shape is nice, it's um something different, and we want we want that. [speaker003:] It has to feel nice in your hand. [speaker001:] Well, I I [vocalsound] I have to say, I have this uh can opening remote control in my head most of all, [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] or I think some [disfmarker] maybe we should [disfmarker] no, that will be too costly. [speaker002:] Oh, uh look [disfmarker] uh look at the pictures. [speaker001:] We shou we could also, that was a [disfmarker] would also be an idea, but I don't think it [disfmarker] I don't know if it exists already, you should like make Alessi or something design it. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Okay, yeah. [speaker001:] That would also be nice. But that's gonna [disfmarker] then you c then you don't [speaker004:] Yeah, but [vocalsound] twelve and a half Euros? Uh [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah, but then you don't have t yeah it [disfmarker] that's not something i that's in the production cost [disfmarker] [gap] a one [disfmarker] it's a one time, you know [disfmarker] s was [disfmarker] it's a single cost. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah, m but but then you can [disfmarker] nah, I don't thin I think that it would be more expensive, because I've bought the Alessi stuff more often and even small pencil holders or something are more expensive. [speaker004:] Yeah, that's true. [speaker001:] Would be a nice idea though. I don't know. I think it uh has to be a r [gap] it has to have round forms or something. Like something like that or so or so [speaker004:] Something like that is very ergonomic. [speaker001:] And on th and then uh s a base unit underneath it. It's also round. [speaker004:] So [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Put it in there uh [gap] wire on it. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker001:] Maybe uh, I don't know, some some lights, a big but well. [gap] [speaker002:] Yeah, flash lights at the side. At the side, or something like that. [speaker001:] Volume and programme, yeah. [speaker004:] Yes, volume and programme should be there I guess, because you hands wi uh y your hands will be in the smaller part. [speaker001:] And some of the extra funct Some of the extra functions over here. Numbers. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah, and the numbers on top, I guess. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] And and lights? How we're g well, maybe uh s a ring of [disfmarker] no, no, you have to [gap] [disfmarker] Maybe on the side of it. [speaker004:] Maybe ro roun rounds uh uh l sorry. [speaker002:] Yeah, side of it. [speaker001:] Along the side uh strip of [disfmarker] yeah. [speaker002:] Just two LEDs or something on the side. Yeah. [speaker004:] Maybe lights also around the volume and the p the plus minus programme buttons. [gap] [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah, but I also meant the the blinking li w you know, the ones that also blink when you try to uh uh locate your remote. [speaker004:] Oh. Okay. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Well, theys have to be [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Well, uh probably at the side. You know look at the front, but [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Exactly. When you you see it from the side, then it would look just [gap] like that. [speaker002:] Yeah, exactly, [speaker001:] And then you have a strip of uh lights or something [speaker002:] and then there is [disfmarker] yeah. Yeah, something like that, yeah. [speaker004:] Okay, yeah. [speaker001:] Well, uh I think it's nice, for one thing. [gap] maybe put something on top of it [vocalsound] or, you know, like that's [disfmarker] looks funny. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] No. [vocalsound] No. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] I don't know. Or some bump. [speaker004:] I think I think that'll be too big tha too big then. [speaker001:] Maybe some [disfmarker] Yeah? [speaker002:] Bumper or something. [speaker001:] We'll have to think about it. I think we're we're done. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yes, we are. [speaker001:] We can save this one. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Alright. [speaker002:] Lunch break. [speaker004:] Yes, I guess it's lunch time. [speaker002:] Okay then. [speaker001:] Mm mm. [gap] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] I don't know. [speaker002:] [gap] [speaker003:] [gap] [speaker004:] Half and hour? I thought our next uh next individual round was half an hour. [speaker002:] Okay, five [gap] uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah, that was what uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] I don't know about the lunch break. [speaker001:] Mm, we'll hear about it. [speaker004:] Well [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Oh [gap]. [gap]. [vocalsound]

[speaker001:] Good morning. Sorry? Yeah, busy job. Good morning. So [disfmarker] Oh, good morning everyone. [speaker003:] Good morning. [speaker002:] Good morning. [speaker001:] I'd uh like to welcome you to our first meeting. I've prepared a little presentation. My name is [gap] and uh I hope you will introduce yourself uh in a few minutes, as will I. Um I'm the Project Manager of this project, and uh, well I will tell you [gap] on what actually is the project. This is uh the agenda for our first meeting. Um this is the opening, then we will get [disfmarker] [gap] I will hope we will get acquainted to each other. We'll do a little tool training with these two things. We'll take a look at the project plan. Uh there will be time for discussion. Actually we have to discuss because we have to create a product. And then we will close this session. Um but first of all we I'd like to uh introduce you to this room. Um as you probably have noticed there are little black uh fields on the table. Um you have to put your laptop exactly in that field so the little cameras can see your face. Um there are cameras [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] everywhere around the room especially here for your face, of course, and this isn't a pie, it's a a set of microphones [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] and there are microphones here also. But please uh don't be afraid of them. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] They won't hurt you. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Well [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Um well uh I said I'm the Project Manager and uh I'm hoping uh for a good project and uh I'd like to hear uh who you are and what your functions are uh on this project. Let's start with the ladies [vocalsound] [vocalsound]. [speaker002:] Well uh I'm uh [gap] and my uh function is User Interface Design, I think. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] So uh that's me. [speaker003:] Okay, uh I'm [gap] uh I'm the Industrial Designer and I uh hope to uh [disfmarker] look forward to uh a very uh pleasing uh end of this uh project. [speaker001:] Okay, so I. [speaker002:] Me too. [speaker004:] My name's [gap]. I'm uh [vocalsound] Marketing Expert. [vocalsound] My job is in the company to promote company or promote products to the customers. So I also h hope we have a pleasant uh working with uh with each other. [speaker001:] Okay, well we have some expertise from uh different pieces of the of the company. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] That's good. Um well I said uh we're working on a project and the aim for the project is to to create a [disfmarker] to design a new remote control which uh has to be original, trendy and of course, user friendly. [vocalsound] And uh I hope we have the expertise to create such a project [disfmarker] such a product. Um the way we hope to achieve that is uh the following methods. It consists of three phases, namely the functional design, conceptual design and detailed design. As you can see, all of these phases consists of two parts, namely individual work part and a meeting where we will discuss uh our work so far. Okay. But first I will uh tell you something about the tools we have here. I already talked about the cameras and microphones, but they are not of uh much use to us. Uh we will have to take advantage of these two things. They are smart boards. As you can see, you can give a presentation on them. And uh this one here is a white board. I will uh instruct you about that soon. Um as you also noticed uh this presentation document is in our uh project folder and every document you put in this folder uh is uh it is possible to show that here in our meeting room. Um and yeah there are available on both smart boards but I think we will uh mainly use this one for the documents in the shared folder. As you can see, this is the same tool bar uh as is located here. Um the most functions uh we will use will be to to add a new page, um uh to go back and forward between pages, and of course uh to save it every now and then. Um and this is the pen with which you can draw on the board, for instance like this if everything's okay, [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] but I first have to put it on the pen, you see I'm new to it too. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Um and then you can write things like test or whatever you want. [speaker002:] Oh. [speaker001:] As you can see you have to move it a little bit slow, it's not such a fast board, it's a smart board but also a slow board. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Uh but you can write things and of course you can also, when you click here, uh erase things, so we have uh est left. And um you can also delete an entire page, but we ask you not to do that. Just simply create a new one and uh start all over because we want to save all the results. Um does everyone understand this [speaker002:] [vocalsound] So we can't erase anything. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] nice application? Well you can erase it with the eraser, but uh you shouldn't delete an entire page, but just create a new blank one. [speaker002:] Right. [speaker004:] S [speaker001:] I will delete this one now because we don't use it yet. [speaker002:] Alright. [speaker001:] But you can of course erase when you make a mistake, but don't uh delete entire pages. And you can also um let's see I think it's here uh change the uh colour of your pen, for instance take a blue one and uh change the line width like to five. Um that's what you will need for our first exercise, because I'm uh going to ask you to draw your favourite animal. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] It's also to gets to know each other because um I'm asking three things, uh for that uh drawing, [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker001:] to do it on a blank sheet, with different colours and I just showed you how to pick a colour, and also with different pen widths which I also showed you. Um and a favourite characteristic can be just uh one word. Well I'm not very good at drawing, but I will uh go first and um try to draw [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Or maybe you should guess what I'm drawing, eh. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Good. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Hmm. [speaker004:] [gap] No. [speaker002:] It's a sheep. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Dinos [speaker003:] Seal, a seal. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Dinosaur. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Beaver. [speaker002:] [gap] A beaver. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] A be [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Well it uh [speaker002:] It's weird. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] could be everything. [speaker003:] Mm. With a tail and a mouth. [speaker001:] Maybe when I put on [speaker002:] It has wings? [speaker004:] Turtle. [speaker001:] this thing it could be a turtle, or a snail, [speaker003:] Snail. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Well the snail doesn't have legs. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker001:] But a turtle has. And those are slow. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] And I hope our project group will not be slow, but we will uh work to a good result [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] and do it uh as fast as we can. Okay, time for another animal. Would you like to go next? [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] No problem. No problem. [speaker003:] Sure. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Oh right. [speaker004:] Mm. It was four months? [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Nice, okay. [speaker002:] Well. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] The hell. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] To make it a little bit easier. [gap] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] It's a giraffe. [speaker003:] Make that cute. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Or a dinosaur. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] No, it's a giraffe. 'Kay. [speaker002:] [gap] [speaker004:] I think it's easy to r uh to recognise as a giraffe. [speaker003:] [gap] [speaker002:] Yes. Giraffe. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah, the favourite charis characteristic is that the long neck, [vocalsound] it can reach everything. And I hope I can also reach a lot with this project. So that's my favourite animal. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] Anything else you need to know? [speaker001:] Could you write the words, uh underneath it? [speaker004:] Oh, [speaker001:] Or more words. [speaker004:] uh [gap] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Tall. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Tall. So, 'kay. [speaker002:] Should I uh [disfmarker] Alright. [speaker004:] [gap] [speaker002:] So I can draw, but uh [disfmarker] Uh. Well. [vocalsound] Oh. [speaker003:] B [vocalsound] [speaker004:] It's a mouse. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Bunny rabbit. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] A bunny rabbit. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [gap] Oh wrong one. Uh. [gap] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Well uh [speaker003:] [gap] [speaker002:] you can guess what it is, I hope. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Uh-huh. No problem. [speaker002:] It's a rabbit. [speaker001:] Little rabbits. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] And uh well uh it's uh quick, I guess. That's uh my uh favourite animal. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Okay, [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker001:] thank you. And our final drawing. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Bob Ross. Dolphin. [speaker002:] A dolphin. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Okay, um. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Uh I uh draw I I've drawn a dolphin because of its intelligence. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] One of the most intelligent uh [speaker002:] Right. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] animals in our world. [speaker002:] Well. [speaker004:] [gap] [speaker003:] Yeah intelligent. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] With an E. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] I've I've uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Eraser. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] You can try out the eraser now. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Pen. Well not perfect, but okay. [speaker001:] Okay, well [speaker002:] [gap] [speaker001:] thank you very much. I can see we have some uh drawing talent uh in this group, [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Not really. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] huh? Well, nice animals, nice words. Sounds good. Um back to business, back to the money part. Um from the finance department I have learned that we are aiming for a selling price of twenty five Euros. And we're hoping for a aim of fifty million Euros and uh we are hoping to achieve that uh by aiming for an international market. And the production cost will be twelve Euro fifty max. Okay, well it's time uh for some discussion. I've wrote down some examples here of what we can can speak about. Uh what's your experience with remote controls, um what kind of ideas do you have to design a new remote control, maybe for which market segments should we aim, or should we aim for all segments. Uh well actually I'd like to hand the word uh back to you. [speaker002:] [gap] [speaker001:] What's your experience with remote control? [speaker003:] A lot of buttons. [speaker002:] I always lose them. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] And you always lose them. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yes. [speaker003:] A lot of buttons which you don't use [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] or who you don't use [speaker004:] Complex. [speaker003:] Complex. [speaker002:] Yeah. [gap] [speaker003:] Not user friendly. [speaker002:] [gap] search for the buttons, which one is which [speaker004:] No. [speaker003:] [gap] [speaker004:] No. [speaker002:] and uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [gap] [speaker004:] Boring. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Boring, [speaker003:] [gap] [speaker001:] it's not fun to use a remote. [speaker004:] No. [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker004:] Black, all black. [speaker002:] Well. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] So, [speaker003:] Black colours. [speaker004:] yeah. [speaker001:] Well maybe we should try to make it fun. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] [gap] They use batteries and [gap] batteries uh and poor signal. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Uh. [speaker004:] The the angle you have to use. [speaker002:] Perhaps that you have a lot of road remotes r road con remote controls. [speaker004:] You had different remote controls for different devices. [speaker003:] Yeah, different remote controls, [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yes, [speaker003:] yeah. [speaker002:] perhaps you can integrate them or something. [speaker004:] Yes. [speaker003:] Uh for the use of different uh devices [vocalsound]. [speaker002:] Yes. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Your stereo and your TV [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] [gap] [speaker002:] and uh. Perhaps that's an idea. [speaker004:] Yeah but then again you you still have a lot of buttons, [speaker002:] Yeah, that's right. [speaker004:] so [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah but you could uh I thin uh [speaker002:] And which you don't use. [speaker003:] there's a possibility to g uh to uh to put those buttons uh behind some uh kind of uh protection [speaker004:] Flap [speaker003:] so that if y y you only get to see them when you need 'em. [speaker004:] yeah. [speaker002:] Right. [speaker004:] Yeah, okay, that's possible, [speaker003:] That's possible, so that you only get the [disfmarker] [speaker004:] but it'll get very big the the remote control. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker003:] No n n no, [speaker002:] You should just give it to [gap]. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] just [vocalsound] [disfmarker] Uh for example you got th uh the same size uh remote control you use everyday, but um [vocalsound] the usual buttons such as uh um [vocalsound] zapping uh as you call it in Dutch. Uh and the volume control uh are only the only possible buttons uh to use directly. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Changing channel. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] Or uh [vocalsound] the numbers, of course. [speaker004:] [gap] numbers. [speaker003:] But uh not uh the buttons used to search on the the channels on your television. [speaker004:] On and off. [speaker003:] You only use those uh the first time, or. [speaker004:] Yeah, play, pause, stop. [speaker003:] So. Uh. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. So maybe a a minimalist design, the least uh possible amount uh of buttons. [speaker003:] Yeah, I think so, yeah. [speaker004:] [gap] [speaker002:] Yes. But you should make sure that you have every button they need on it. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm, of course. [speaker002:] Because uh things for uh teletext, I dunno uh, [vocalsound] w [speaker003:] [gap] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah, uh teletext. [speaker002:] what's the name? [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] [gap] [speaker003:] [gap] think so. Okay. [speaker001:] So you don't want to bother people with uh loads of buttons, but on the other hand they need many buttons [speaker004:] No. [speaker001:] so they don't have to get out of their seat. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] But [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Right. [speaker004:] Because I think a market will be all kind of people. Elderly p el elderly, young people, so. [speaker002:] But if if it's if it's international you should uh look in [disfmarker] think in Britain they have uh different things they can do with the TV, or so uh that you can choose what you want to see. I dunno if you should uh take that in consideration, or that you just should aim for the normal TVs [speaker003:] Uh. [speaker002:] that uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah I think that's the better one, [speaker003:] Yeah I I understand. [speaker002:] And the BBC [gap]. [speaker004:] because [disfmarker] I think if you you're going to target a lot of people and the whole world and only Britain then I think the cost will uh rise higher than the twelve fifty, I think. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] No. [speaker002:] Yes [gap]. Yeah, I don't know if the they have that anywhere else, though. [speaker004:] I think the aim is better to use uh the whole world and Britain, yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah, we can leave that [gap]. [speaker003:] When I think of it uh [speaker004:] Not that much. [speaker003:] I think the main idea uh of this remote remote control is uh to make it user friendly. So uh I think uh when p uh when uh the customers will buy this remote control, they already have uh the remote control which uh companies uh uh with uh the the standards uh remote control with which comes uh with the television. [speaker004:] Mm. Standard deliver. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker003:] So uh it only has to have uh the most used buttons. You don't have to integrate the buttons to search the channels on your television. In those [disfmarker] in that [disfmarker] [speaker004:] No but [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Well but but then you have to to find your other remote control if you want to search. [speaker004:] Yeah. Yeah, th it [vocalsound] it's [disfmarker] I think that's not [disfmarker] [speaker002:] That's not [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah but I [disfmarker] but it is impossible to uh to accommodate uh accommodate uh all the buttons on the s on the difference [disfmarker] different televisions sets on one remote control. It's impossible. [speaker002:] Yeah, that's right. [speaker004:] Yeah, okay [gap]. [speaker003:] Because uh for example Sony television uh has the opportunity to s to make uh uh to make it possible for [disfmarker] to see on one side of the screen uh teletext, and on the other side uh just n uh regular television. Uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] No. [speaker002:] Yeah that's uh [gap]. [speaker004:] I think n m n most televisions nowadays do this. [speaker003:] Yeah, but uh they don't use the same signal, uh on remote control. [speaker002:] Well not everywhere. [speaker004:] So [gap] I think numerals. [speaker003:] Because you can't use a Panasonic uh remote control on a on a Philips television. [speaker004:] Yeah, but then you have to choose the [disfmarker] always with r universal remotes you have to choose the code. [speaker002:] Yeah, you can choose the code [gap]. [speaker004:] You can use which which type of television you have. [speaker003:] Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay, [speaker004:] That's no problem. But I think like the two pages on the same screen, like teletext and normal television, that's that's nowadays standard, I think. [speaker003:] but [vocalsound] uh I think that most people uh th uh will buy the remote control because [vocalsound] because uh the first [disfmarker] they lost the one they lost first one [speaker004:] Simplicity. [speaker003:] or the first one is broken, [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] so uh uh perhaps they have a got a an older television, [speaker004:] Yeah, yeah. Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] so that option is not [vocalsound] uh optional for those uh people. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah g available. [speaker002:] But the people have a new television, [speaker004:] True. [speaker002:] and c if you look into the future, then they want [disfmarker] will want the button, if their thing is broke. [speaker003:] Yeah, yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] So we should take that in consideration. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Okay, well any more ideas? [speaker003:] Oh mm, [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] no. [speaker004:] Of course. [speaker001:] No? [speaker002:] Guess not. [speaker003:] Things'll come up. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Okay, yeah well we have some time. Let's see what more I have to tell you. I don't think there is much left. Nope. We're starting to close. Um our next meeting uh will start [disfmarker] well we're a little bit early, but our next meeting will start in in thirty minutes. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] In the meantime uh there's time for some uh individual actions. Um, as you can see, the different roles have uh different tasks. And there's a ping. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Is it my laptop? [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yep. [speaker003:] Stop the meeting now [vocalsound]. [speaker001:] Ah well [speaker002:] Yeah meeting will close in five minutes. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] that's good, five minutes and uh the meeting's over, uh right on schedule. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker001:] Um the Marketing Expert will uh will take a look at the user requirement specification. The User Interface Designer will work out the technical functions design. And this was the Interface Designer? Or the Interaction Designer. [speaker002:] Hmm hmm. [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker001:] Or what was it, ID? [speaker002:] No [speaker003:] No? [speaker004:] Interface. [speaker002:] interface. [speaker001:] Interface Designer, okay, first guess was right. Uh will take a look at the the working design. [speaker003:] No, the Industrial Designer will take a look at the working design, [speaker002:] No the [disfmarker] Yeah. [speaker003:] and the in uh usability interaction [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [gap] [speaker001:] Industrial Designer, okay, [speaker003:] Yeah, okay. [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker001:] sorry. [vocalsound] Let's just use the acronyms. [speaker002:] So [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Um and of course specific instructions uh will be sent to you uh through your personal coach. [speaker002:] So I should look at uh what you should be able to do with the remote, or uh, or how [disfmarker] I don't really [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Uh well those instructions will be uh in the email you will receive uh shortly, I hope. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Right. Alright. [vocalsound] Me too. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] And of course you have your own uh expertise. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Well uh that was what I had to say. [speaker004:] Uh-huh. [speaker001:] Uh are there any more questions? [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker004:] No. [speaker003:] No. [speaker001:] No? Okay well I think then we have to head uh back to our offices and uh start working. [speaker004:] I have one question. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker001:] Okay, one question? [speaker003:] Oh. [speaker004:] Where does it says we have to make a remote, because I presumed [disfmarker] [gap] She didn't know who. Okay, no [vocalsound], no problem. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [gap] No problem. Okay. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Okay we're still going [gap] [vocalsound]. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] No problem. Yeah. [speaker001:] Okay, well I expect everything will be much clearer with the instructions we will receive uh shortly. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Alright. [speaker001:] Okay well uh [speaker003:] Alrighty. Okay. [speaker001:] see you all in about thirty minutes, then. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Thank you very much. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [vocalsound] Okay. [vocalsound]

[speaker003:] Excellent. So um I sent you the agenda, it was on the [disfmarker] in the project documents. I don't know if you got a chance to just have a look at it. Anyway, it's [disfmarker] the meeting's gonna follow more or less the same structure as last time, so we'll go round each of you in turn and you can give your presentations on what you've been up to. Um and at the end of that we need to discuss what you've come up with, so that we can make a decision on the key remote control concepts, so that's [disfmarker] we need to know about the components' properties, materials, the user interface and any trends that the Marketing Expert has been watching. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Right. [speaker003:] Okay. Um, do you wanna start again? [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker003:] Let me [disfmarker] we've got forty minutes. [speaker001:] Right s [vocalsound] so I haven't made a PowerPoint presentation, [speaker003:] [vocalsound] You haven't made a PowerPoint, okay. [speaker001:] yeah, I I thought I'll use the whiteboard instead. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Um mm, [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Let's hope the pen holds out. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] okay, so basically I'll start off by [disfmarker] uh [vocalsound] I thought I'll use the whiteboard because we have so many different options and what we can do is that we can start um uh rubbing off the options that we do not require [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] and putting in the options that uh are m or highlighting or underlining them or something like that. Okay, so uh I'll start again with a brief introduction to [disfmarker] connect that anyway [disfmarker] brief introduction to the insides of a remote control [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] and uh then we can probably uh discuss the various components. Yeah. Okay, so w what you see here is [disfmarker] so [vocalsound] this is the outside of the remote, right? [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] If you open it, you have a circuit board here, right, and this is the chip that I was talking about last time. This basically sends information to a tr uh transistor here, which then uh sends the information to an LED device here. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] If you flip the printed circuit board, and this is th the most important point here, uh [vocalsound] everything else is kind of [disfmarker] Okay, so if you flip the circuit board, this is what it looks like. So you see for example a particular button attaches to a particular place on the PCB [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] and uh on pressing this button I [disfmarker] a circuit completes, the information goes to the chip, which is somewhere here and the chip that tra then translates the code into an infra infrared radiation, which goes goes out through there. [vocalsound] So uh the important point that I read over the website was uh that the configurations of these printed circuit circuit boards uh are quite cheap to make, you can ge get them printed as you want to, [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] so w we can have a configuration um irrespective of the cost, the way we want to have. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Right? So that's the important point here, so these are the different options that we have. Okay. So the batteries, I'll start with the battery, right? [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] So they can be simple which is like uh the normal batteries in uh our [disfmarker] uh the cells, yeah? [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Uh thes these are the kind [disfmarker] different kind of batteries that the company makes, right? So. And dynamos. Um [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Does that mean like a wind-up one? [speaker001:] yeah, yeah. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] A wind-up remote. [speaker001:] So uh I don't know if [disfmarker] even if you want to consider this, [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] but these are the different things that the company makes, so th they'll they'll [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker001:] since uh they'll come internally from the company, they'll be eas uh cheaper, uh all these options. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] So [vocalsound] the third one is uh the kinetic energy ones. [speaker002:] You could make the hand dynamo into an exercise bike, and then people could exercise whilst watching TV. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] And charging their remote, [speaker002:] Yeah, [speaker003:] yeah. [speaker002:] and stop worrying about the whole RSI from the remote thing, 'cause that's just [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yeah, it's a good option. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] So what was what was this k ka [speaker001:] The the kinetic energy one is uh that e uh uh they are usually modern watches, since our hand keeps moving, it keeps the watch ticking. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker003:] Uh yeah. [speaker001:] But I dunno i if it is a good idea for a remote control, because it'll just lie there for a long while sometimes. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. For a remote, 'cause you [disfmarker] Yeah. [speaker001:] But as soon as you pick it up it moves and then again it uh re recharges or something. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] And the fourth option is the solar cells, which are also [vocalsound] made by the company. [speaker002:] Yay. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Environment friendly. Okay [vocalsound] um so I'll list things and then we can come back and discuss what what we think from uh everybody's perspective. [speaker003:] Yeah [vocalsound]. [speaker001:] There are different cases that can be provided. They can be [disfmarker] basically the shape of the cases, they can be flat, [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] they can be curved with uh one-sided curved and one side flat, and they can be curved with [disfmarker] on both the sides. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] These are the three options, right? Um [vocalsound] [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Um you mean this would be like the the overall shape of the remote control, yeah, [speaker001:] Yeah, [speaker004:] mm-hmm. [speaker001:] would it be flat on both the sides, would be curved from one side, or whatever [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah, mm-hmm, mm-hmm. Mm-hmm mm-hmm. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] uh there were different kind of supplements available, um like it can be in plastic, rubber, wood, or titanium, right? [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. Okay. [speaker002:] Did you say wool? [speaker001:] Wo wo wood. [speaker003:] Wood, wood. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Wood. Oh right. [speaker001:] Yeah. [vocalsound] Not wool. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] A fluffy remote. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound]. Yeah, you'll understand why when we get to my presenta [vocalsound]. [speaker001:] Oh really? [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker003:] Huh. [speaker001:] Um the [disfmarker] so uh we can use even um [vocalsound] a certain titanium is also used uh in the company to make uh [vocalsound] uh some space design equipment, so it's kind of um uh it'll be probably nicer to use, because it relates to the overall image of the company, but uh it cannot be used on a double curved surface. If we choose this, we cannot use titanium. [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker001:] For for these two we can use titanium, wood, rubber, or plastic. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Yeah? Uh okay, the interface options now. So [vocalsound] we can have push-buttons, like most remotes do and our company is an expert in making push-buttons. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Ooh. Uh we can have scroll wheels like the ones on um uh mouse pointers uh uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Sony. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Sony Ericsson mobile phones has it. [speaker001:] Yeah, yeah, something like that. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] So, and they have [disfmarker] they can even have an an integrated uh push-button inside the scrolling thing. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker001:] The scroll plus push. So this is something that has been recently developed by the company, um [vocalsound] in the last decade, so not too recent. And LCDs, we can have LCDs. So these two are recent and and this is q quite old. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] The various electronic options are um uh [vocalsound] so th this concerns firs first of all the the chips I I showed you at uh [disfmarker] so there's there's a chip behind this one, right? The PCB is uh inexpensive, so we can put put in uh whatever we want, but the various integrated circuit options are, we have either a simple one [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] or a regular or advanced. And uh the price goes up as we go down, obviously. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Um [vocalsound] okay, so the good thing about uh wh wh why why we would want to use advanced u why we might want to use advanced is that LCDs can only come with the advanced chip. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Um the [disfmarker] we need regular or advanced for uh scroll wheels. Right? Um [vocalsound] and the chip basically includes the infra infrared sender. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Yeah. Uh besides this in electr under electronics uh also the company has started making a sample sender, which is [vocalsound] [disfmarker] did not explained what i what it was, but I'm guessing that uh [vocalsound] [disfmarker] so they have a sample sender and a sample speaker. So I'm guessing that uh the sample speaker is probably something like um uh you know, as soon as you press a button, it it mm uh give gives you feedback, one five or whatever. Yeah, on. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Um [vocalsound] and uh I dunno whether sample sender sender has to do something with voice recognition or not, but anyway. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] So, these are the different options that we have. Okay, so [vocalsound] th that's that's basically [disfmarker] now now uh I think that uh we can integrate um [vocalsound] uh you know, uh the user interface uh and uh the marketing things in that, [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] keep uh taking out things from this and uh underlining things that are important, yeah. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. Excellent. Do you wanna stay somewhere near the board, so that if we need to [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker001:] Yeah, yeah, sure. Sure. Yeah. [speaker003:] you can sit down, but just [disfmarker] [vocalsound] we might need you to leap up. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker003:] What are you, PowerPoint, or [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Um I have some PowerPoint, yeah. [speaker001:] Right. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker004:] Oh. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Do you think these pens can give you cancer of the hand? [speaker004:] 'Kay. [speaker003:] Some sort of radiation? [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] No it's got its little camera in there, [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] plug it in [gap]. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker002:] 'S a [speaker001:] Yeah, it should should do it. Yeah. [speaker003:] Right, interface concept. [speaker004:] Okay. Um to be honest actually, I mentioned some some of the things which which could fit on the on the [disfmarker] this talk um this time, I m I mentioned them already in the previous talk. [speaker003:] That's fine. [speaker004:] So um yeah, this time um I might not have them on the slides but I [vocalsound] I can just mention them aw again. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] Okay. So um I thought um I would also include the definition of user interface um so it's the aspects of a of of a computer system or programme which can be seen uh by the user um and and which [disfmarker] uh the mechanisms that the user uses to control its operation and input data. So this would p includes things like shape and size and buttons and um voice recognition as well, and colour, and so on. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] Um um the method I [vocalsound] employed this time was [vocalsound] a again having a look to related products and mainly on the internet and then [vocalsound] um [vocalsound] analyse them uh from the point of view of user fen friendliness and [vocalsound] also um [vocalsound] whether their appearance was was pleasant. Um [vocalsound] and then um [vocalsound] this uh this um [vocalsound] this can help us to decide which features we want to incorporate in our product. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] So some findings um [vocalsound] um. So in in the case of many user interfaces, they're just so full of buttons that it's actually uh hard to find the ones you you really um want to use and um and it's just confusing, it takes y know time to learn. Um [vocalsound] okay, and I thought I would just quickly show some of them that I found. Okay, some of them are here. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Um [vocalsound] well the picture is not very clear, but as you can see, there are actu oi, oh oh oh, [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] sorry for that. 'S go back. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] That's nice one. [speaker004:] Ah, no, please. Okay, so yeah, they're quite big and have many many buttons. Actually [vocalsound] of the [disfmarker] of all these I personally p prefer this one, because it's it's the smallest and and with with least [disfmarker] uh with the smallest number of buttons as well. And I would say even the appearance of some of them is kind of not so nice. [speaker002:] Ugly. [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Um okay. So let's carry on with this. Um [disfmarker] So uh um o other findings [disfmarker] um some new things um used, uh some of them were mentioned already by our Technical um Designer uh. [vocalsound] Our own company has developed a new in user interface [disfmarker] uh wait, no this is not the one. Okay, there is a [disfmarker] [vocalsound] we can uh include voice recognition and um it allows [disfmarker] i it's possible to record eighty different voice samples on it. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker004:] Uh so uh this uh this one was already mentioned uh the LC display. [speaker003:] It's [disfmarker] yeah. [speaker004:] Um s another new development is a scroll button, which was also th also already mentioned. And uh our own manufacturing division ha has uh designed [vocalsound] a new um [vocalsound] [vocalsound] uh programmable speech uh [vocalsound] mm sorry uh speaker unit I guess it's [disfmarker] it should be. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Um and this means that um once uh uh it it it comes together with a voice recognition, but it's [disfmarker] once once the mm [vocalsound] um gadget uh recognises uh the voice of the speaker, there can be a um pre-programmed answer, for example, you can pick up the remote control and say something to it like hello and it says some hello and your name or whatever. [speaker003:] Uh-huh, hi [vocalsound] yeah. [speaker004:] So [vocalsound] I mean this is also one of the n dev new developments which we might consider if we wanted to include. [speaker001:] Mm. Uh sorry, uh can you go back for a second? Um [vocalsound] uh are you sure wha what this means, a spinning wheel with the LC display? Uh [vocalsound] oh yeah are th [speaker003:] It's like the [disfmarker] like you said, no? The scroll scroll wheel. [speaker002:] Yeah, you can't [disfmarker] [speaker004:] No no, the scroll button is a different thing. I I have a picture if you [vocalsound] [disfmarker] just a moment, I'll [vocalsound] I'll show you. I wasn't completely sure myself, but I think it's just like um [vocalsound] it's it's a wheel, it's like not separate buttons. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Oh okay, the iPod thing, yeah. [speaker004:] Look, this one here. [speaker002:] Oh, it's like the iPod. [speaker004:] But I'm I'm not really sure whether whether you can really turn it round, [speaker002:] G yeah, no, you can. [speaker004:] it's like you press this or this or [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Uh it's the iPod uh kind of uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] It's like it's like where you [disfmarker] you know how you have your your mouse, and y you go round and i it's kind of like that and you spin round [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Uh-huh. [speaker001:] Alright, right. Okay, okay. [speaker002:] and it [disfmarker] yeah. It is [disfmarker] [speaker001:] So instead of going down you just spin [disfmarker] [speaker002:] You just go round [speaker001:] yeah, yeah. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] and it is a bit weird at first, but it's actually very like fast. [speaker001:] Uh-huh. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] I like the the wheels that click on the side you you get 'em much slower, so it's quite good if you like searching quite a lot of stuff. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Right. [speaker004:] Uh-huh. [speaker002:] Do you know, if you're lookin if you're th scrolling through the A to Z of your music and you're looking for something at T, then it's a lot faster than the wheel, [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] but you've got a lot less control over it. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Right. So maybe I should include that here as well, [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker001:] LCDs um plus spinning. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Okay, and the personal preferences are pretty much the same as as as last time. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] It [vocalsound] it has to be small, simple. Okay, we decided to include voice recognition, so to have the standard uh major buttons like on, off, um ch the channels and and then um volume and then the rest would be a menu on the screen. Um and I I also thought uh [vocalsound] if we want to keep it small and nice um and actually I I quite like the idea of a scroll a scrolling button, I thought it could be for for voice like, I dunno, it mm like on a um i like it used to be on Walkmans or something. There is [vocalsound] uh I think there is no reason why we couldn't use something like this for for the remote control. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] So yeah, that's uh that's it. [speaker003:] Excellent. Okay, straight to trends, and then we can discuss it all at once. [speaker001:] Right. [speaker002:] Okay, I've put the copy of the presentation in um the [disfmarker] [speaker003:] The project documents. [speaker002:] yeah. [speaker003:] Excellent. If you two could both do that as well, in case we need to refer to it. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Cool. [speaker003:] Here it comes. Okay. [speaker002:] Fabulous. Okay, cool. Um so what I did was to search the internet to come up with market trends and you know what users are gonna be wanting in the the near future. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Okay. Right. Now, the first aspect is apparently twice as important as the second aspect, which is twice as important as the third a aspect. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker002:] So, I mean the the easy to use thing is fairly low down on the [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] which I think given the target group is what you would expect, really. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Um, you know, people want something new, something technologically innovative and different, so the whole idea with the LCDs and the spinning and the colours and the voice recognition is quite like, quite the thing to go for. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] And um, yeah it wants to look fancy, fancy look and feel. [speaker001:] So um [vocalsound] uh maybe uh as you're discussing things, is it okay if we just uh keep highlighting things here? [speaker002:] So [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah, yeah, sure. Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah, yeah. [speaker001:] Right. So mm uh so it [vocalsound] [speaker003:] That's over on the interface, if if you could put [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [disfmarker] yeah, so probably voice recognition is is kind of important, right? [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Um and an [speaker003:] And maybe the LCD and spinning [disfmarker] [speaker001:] yeah. [speaker003:] so that means we need an advanced thing. [speaker001:] Okay, I I have a point about LCD, I dunno if it is the right point to take it up. W uh LCDs are basically for feedback, right, to the user who's pressing buttons, [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] and the feedback can come through television itself, so do we need an LCD on the remote? [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Depends how fast your television runs, really, don't don't you think? I mean we've got one of those um Telewest boxes and you put the number in the remote [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker002:] and then you wait and then it goes to the TV and then you wait, and then it comes, so i it actually takes quite a long time. [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker002:] And if you get the number in wrong, then it's a bit of a pain, [speaker001:] Right. [gap] [speaker002:] so I think, you know, a screen on the remote would probably cut down your time on that. But like remotes do tend to get f thrown about a bit. [speaker001:] Right. [speaker003:] It it is also quite nice though to to have something here so you don't interrupt the picture on the screen, [speaker002:] You know? [speaker003:] so if you're watching something [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] That's true, yeah, [speaker002:] And i it would be like [disfmarker] [speaker001:] that's also [disfmarker] [speaker002:] I mean if you could make it integrate with the TV then it could come up with new information about what's on, and you could just see that on the remote rather than [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah. Rather than having to interrupt your viewing pleasure. [speaker002:] Yeah. But um I think maybe a way to do it would be a similar way to how you have your mobile phone, you know, [speaker001:] Right. [speaker002:] like you have the slidey ones and you have the flippy ones and then the screen's protected so it doesn't actually get scratched. [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] So you can have like what looks like a normal remote control, you know or like a minimalist remote control. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] So you got your buttons one to nine, your on and off and your volume on that [speaker001:] Mm right. [speaker002:] and then if you want to mess about with it, you flip it open and, [speaker003:] And then you can flip it open. [speaker002:] yeah. [speaker001:] Okay. So now we seem to have a consensus that LCDs are definitely the way to go [speaker003:] Yeah, I think so. [speaker001:] because of style and [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah, so that kind of decides your whole chip thing. [speaker001:] Right. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] You you agree? Maarika, yeah? [speaker004:] Yep, yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Right. [speaker001:] So LCDs, yeah, definitely. [speaker002:] Okay? [speaker001:] Go on. [speaker002:] Cool. Okay, apparently, fruit and vegetables will be providing inspiration. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Sorry, [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] I discovered clip art. [vocalsound] Um so these will be an important feature for clothes, shoes and furniture. So I mean, I'm taking this to mean, you know, curviness. Do you know? 'Cause you don't tend to get flat vegetables. You know? [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yeah, and possibly even uneven, [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] like not not symmet [speaker002:] Yeah, bit of asymmetry and stuff. [speaker003:] yeah. [speaker002:] But that would be a good way to to get in the whole um RSI issue in there, [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] because [disfmarker] I mean if you think most people use the remote control with their right hand ha right hands [speaker001:] Right. [speaker002:] so you wanna [disfmarker] you curve it so that it's suitable for use with the right hand. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Um yeah I'm not quite sure about the relevance of material will be spongy. [vocalsound] Um [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Something a bit squishy and [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah, but I mean y you have to [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah, we we have [speaker004:] So it could be like a rubbery [disfmarker] [speaker001:] we have rubber, [speaker004:] [vocalsound] yeah, uh-huh. [speaker001:] but there is a problem that I forgot to discuss with the [disfmarker] um with using [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Well I suppose you wouldn't get a remote uh [disfmarker] an electric shock off your remote control if it was made of rubber. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah, and it'd help if you drop it, it protects it as well. [speaker002:] Yeah, yeah. [speaker003:] To some degree. [speaker001:] So if if we use uh latex cases, they won't allow us to use solar cells, as an energy source that is the constraint, [speaker003:] Uh-huh. [speaker001:] so um we could use [vocalsound] titanium, wood or plastic uh or uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Or if we want to use the the latex, then we have to go with one of the other um power things. [speaker002:] If it's made of rubber you could get the kinetic energy fairly easily there, [speaker001:] Yeah, w energy source. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] From [vocalsound] from bouncing it. [speaker002:] you could just [vocalsound] bounce it up and down [vocalsound]. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yeah, tap it on the desk, yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] You can have it as like a little ball to bounce, that flips open. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yeah. [vocalsound] Um so yeah, um okay. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Mm. So probably double curved surface is the way to go, yeah, [gap]. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah, yeah. [speaker003:] Mm yeah. [speaker001:] Or or curved at one end and flat on the top, because I I'm not sure if it is flat on both both the sides, then ho how much easy would it be to reach for buttons, etcetera. Um [disfmarker] [speaker002:] You have to have a certain element of flatness, I think. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] It it depends on the whole ergonomics of it, you know, it's like how you put your hands so y it's the least movement basically. [speaker001:] Yeah. Yeah, singe single side curved or double side curved does not say too much, does it? [speaker003:] Uh-huh. [speaker001:] It uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] No, I d I don't think it makes a lot of difference. I I have one of those s slidey phones and I mean the back is essentially straight, [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker002:] but it's curvy, so. [speaker001:] Mm. [vocalsound] Uh I think uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Besides, you have four sides to a thing, [speaker003:] Yeah, 'cause the [disfmarker] [speaker002:] so I mean does curved one side mean one side is straight [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Right. [speaker002:] and, you know curved two sides means the whole thing is just a big curvy p thing? [speaker001:] Right. [speaker003:] Dunno. [speaker001:] Di now did it say anywhere in your research material about this sliding stuff uh because um [vocalsound] according to the information that I have, I think uh the onl only options that we have with the case is [disfmarker] are these three. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Uh eith either we have uh a flat surfaced uh case or a curved surfaced case. It does not say anything about uh whether technically, you know, this this stuff is available at all. [speaker003:] Nothing to [vocalsound] open them. [speaker002:] Yeah. Uh it's it's more about the protecting the LCD, which I think is where it came from. [speaker001:] Right, yeah, yeah. [speaker002:] But no, my research didn't tell me anything, which is why we have all the pictures, [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] 'cause I had nothing better to do with my time. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Right. Okay. [speaker002:] Okay, cool. [speaker003:] Anything else? What've we got? [speaker002:] Uh combine style with a level of functionality, um beauty and practicality and a thing of beauty and p function. [speaker003:] Okay, so. [speaker001:] Cool, thanks. [speaker002:] Okay? [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Thanks [speaker003:] Looking at what we've got, we we want an LCD display with a spinning wheel. [speaker001:] Yeah. Let's let's try to r rub off things and [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah, rub off some of those. [speaker001:] yeah, [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] so um [vocalsound] hand dynamos are definitely out, right? [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yeah, [speaker001:] [vocalsound] You you got a wind [gap] dynamo, yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah uh-hum yeah. [speaker003:] it's not [disfmarker] that's not streamlined and sexy, [vocalsound] having a having a wind up. [speaker001:] Okay. Um [vocalsound] kinetic energy does seem to have some kind of uh uh appeal, [speaker003:] I think tha [speaker001:] but uh [speaker002:] [vocalsound] It's about the practicality of it really, isn't it? You know? [speaker001:] [vocalsound] it's [disfmarker] Yeah. As against a watch, which constantly keeps moving, [speaker002:] I mean if [disfmarker] [speaker001:] this this thing will have to be tapped every time, which which might be very frustrating for the user. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Depends how much how much movement it really needs. [speaker001:] Kinetic energy it needs [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Pr presumably if they're suggesting it, then we could use it. [speaker001:] I don't have too much technical information on that, yeah, right. Okay, let's keep it option uh keep an option, [speaker003:] I'd I'd keep it on. [speaker001:] yeah. Um [vocalsound] the flat co completely flat case is definitely out, right? [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah [speaker003:] We don't want that [speaker001:] It has to be at least curved from one side, yeah. [speaker003:] it's no [disfmarker] it's not not vegetable. [speaker004:] it's [disfmarker] yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Um [vocalsound] okay, we still have all all the options. Wood, do you think wood will be a good idea? [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] N wood is [disfmarker] I can't n [vocalsound] how do you uh I mean you can't keep it really small uh [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker004:] you can't make it like thin and [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Right. [speaker004:] The wood thing. [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker002:] I can't imagine a m wooden remote control. [speaker004:] Because you need to you n you need to put all the technology in, so I mean if the case [disfmarker] you add the case and it it becomes a bit bulky [speaker001:] Yeah [vocalsound] if if it is really thin if it is really thin it it's likely to break, [speaker004:] wi mm-mm yeah. [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker001:] it's it's much more uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah, yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah, [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] and given that we're we're looking at more spongy material preferences, I ha would think maybe rubber or plastic is more [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] U yeah wood is not really [disfmarker] yeah. [speaker001:] Right. [speaker002:] Well it's not very cleanable either, [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] That's true. [speaker002:] do you know. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] It's it's not [vocalsound] a practical [disfmarker] I mean it's it's alright for a table, but for a remote control, you know. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] And splinters and stuff and [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah, [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] okay [vocalsound] wood is out. [speaker002:] It just m doesn't make any sense, I think is the thing with wood. [speaker001:] Right. [speaker004:] Yeah, yeah, in the case of remote control not really. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Okay, now for the really interesting stuff, the interface. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Right, so uh the the push-buttons is is our expertise uh in the industry, but uh it seems to be [vocalsound] out of trend, you know, nobody seems to be [disfmarker] [speaker002:] You have to have some push-buttons, don't you? [speaker004:] Yeah, but you [disfmarker] um I think for for the channel numb uh channel numbers you still need them, wouldn't you? [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] G yeah, yeah. [speaker001:] Mm right. [speaker004:] Yeah, so for channel numbers but [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Oh, if if we have LCD displays, that opens up a whole world, you know, if you have an LCD display, then mm you can select almost everything on the LCD display. [speaker004:] But I th yeah but [vocalsound] I think the LCD display is kind of [disfmarker] yeah, it's faster [speaker003:] Just for fast [disfmarker] [speaker004:] with a m yeah and w if we dis and when we s um [vocalsound] discussed that we might like this flipping open thing, then I mean y you can use it as a normal remote control, [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Right. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] but if you do want to use LCD, then you flip it open, [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] but it's it it's more time-consuming. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] I think this is going back to the the graph at the beginning that I made, where, you know, the buttons that people use all the time, you want buttons for them and everything else menu-driven. [speaker001:] Mm right. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] And it [disfmarker] yeah [vocalsound] L [disfmarker] LCD. [speaker001:] So uh in in the buttons we have for the channels also we have options. Do you do we enumerate everything from zero to nine? Or do we have just uh channel plus, channel minus, just to just to scroll? [speaker004:] [vocalsound] No, no, I mean mm we we definitely need the the numbers, because it's [disfmarker] uh otherwise people don't want to flip through all the channels. Um [disfmarker] [speaker001:] The numbers. [speaker002:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker003:] Do we need them on as buttons or do we need them as LCD? [speaker001:] Right. Or [vocalsound] on the LCD we can, you know [vocalsound] [disfmarker] [speaker002:] G yeah, [speaker004:] Yeah, I would say buttons, [speaker002:] I would think buttons, yeah. [speaker004:] because it's [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Buttons. [speaker004:] yeah. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker002:] It's it's the [disfmarker] [speaker004:] I [speaker002:] I think the thing is, so if someone just wants to turn on their TV and put on a channel, then it should be easier to use than any other remote, [speaker001:] So mm [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Mm. Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] and then if someone wants to, you know, change the contrast on their TV and [disfmarker] they should be able to do that and it should be accessible, [speaker001:] Alright. [speaker002:] but, you know, I mean most of the time [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] I mean there's a limit to how much the biggest techno geek can spend fiddling with the TV, I think is the the the issue there. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Right. [vocalsound] Okay, so buttons definitely in but [disfmarker] oh shall we uh try to draw a prec um [disfmarker] [speaker003:] I think that's what [vocalsound] you guys are gonna do next, [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Uh okay. [speaker003:] so if we put down the key um [vocalsound] things that we want. [speaker001:] Okay, okay, so the components. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Right, so uh what about the the scrolling uh? [speaker004:] Yeah but n I I'm not completely um completely clear uh I [vocalsound] yeah, about the spinning wheel. So I think it [vocalsound] it doesn't make sense to have both like a scrolling and spinning thing, [speaker002:] [vocalsound] E either or [disfmarker] [speaker004:] it's uh [disfmarker] you can al include everything in the spinning if you [speaker003:] Just spinning and not scrolling, I would say. [speaker002:] G yeah. [speaker004:] [disfmarker] yeah, yeah, [speaker002:] [vocalsound] I would say the s the s the spinning goes at a high speed to th to the scrolling wheel, [speaker004:] in that case. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] so you have to decide whether [disfmarker] you you know, you want to be going so fast or not. But I mean the the thing with this whole [disfmarker] if y you're planning on making it out of rubber, on the basis that it's spongy, then I'm not sure how well a scrolling wheel would work. [speaker003:] Hmm. [speaker001:] Mm um [disfmarker] [speaker003:] But if you've got a [disfmarker] if if you've got a flipped thing, effectively it's something that's curved on one side and flat on the other side, but you folded it in half. [speaker004:] Ah, but I mean you can [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah, but y your spinning wheel tends to go to one side. [speaker003:] Th [vocalsound] that would be on one side, uh-huh. [speaker001:] I'm not sure it'll be a good idea to construct the whole thing out of rubber. [speaker004:] Yeah, I um I think so too, [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Uh i it [disfmarker] [speaker003:] No, I think it's just the casing rubber on the outside. [speaker004:] I mean the case would be [disfmarker] yeah [speaker002:] You want an outside of rubber [speaker004:] the case would be rubber and the the buttons, [speaker002:] and then open it up and [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Or or at the corners, edges, just the edges covered by rubber or something like that. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] rubber buttons, but then [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Everything else in plastic or even titanium if we want to use it. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Or maybe like interchangeable cases. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] 'Cause I know like we're going back to iPods again n the whole spinning wheel, but I have like a [disfmarker] [vocalsound] you know, obviously my iPod's not made of rubber, but then I have a little rubber case that goes over the top of it and I can change the colour, theoretically, to match my outfit. [speaker001:] Right, right. [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Right, [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] okay, so so that gives us a more trendy look as well. Um [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah, I think the spinning wheel is definitely very now. [speaker001:] Right. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Yeah, and uh we're going more for the trends than for the usability anyway, right? [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] That's right, [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] that's what they're after. [speaker001:] So I'll rub that out. [vocalsound] And uh colours can be provided with the case rather than [disfmarker] Um but we still need to te think about the colour of our remote as such, you know, just keep it black, or [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] Yeah I think we [disfmarker] um it was a a requirement that we use our um th the colours of our company, so would it be like yellow, grey and black or something, or [disfmarker] [speaker003:] I guess. [speaker002:] That doesn't fit in with the whole vegetable theme though. [speaker004:] Yeah, does [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Bananas. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah. Banana's yellow, [vocalsound] yeah, definitely. [speaker002:] Yeah, but I mean do you think we could incorporate the colours of the company into the buttons and then make the colour of the main remote [vocalsound] the colour like vegetable colours, do you know? So you could have like [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] I mean I suppose vegetable colours would be orange and green and some reds and um maybe purple [speaker003:] Green. Yeah. [speaker002:] and that and then you'd pick the buttons in company colours to to match with it. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Okay. Um [vocalsound] okay, if you g go over to uh the integrated circuits. Uh since we're having LCDs there there's no way that we're will be able to [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] We need the advanced [disfmarker] yeah. [speaker001:] um what we do need to consider, however, is that the price is going up for the ever every such thing that we are considering, [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] but since LCDs seems to be uh a definite yes, so [vocalsound] it seems to be one area where we would want to spend. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] So I'll rub off the other two. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] So are we discounting solar energy because rubber's gonna be used in there somewhere or [disfmarker] [speaker003:] That was the [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Oh is [disfmarker] oh the constraint was uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] If [disfmarker] [speaker003:] We can't have solar panels with rubber, so. [speaker001:] yeah. [speaker002:] solar panels with the rubber. [speaker001:] Yeah. So [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah, okay, so we lose that I think. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Shall we go for [disfmarker] if we're going for rubber, we think uh on [disfmarker] as our case, and then [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [vocalsound] And the buttons as well, I think. Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] I think uh [vocalsound] [speaker003:] We've got five more minutes. [speaker001:] we'll have uh [vocalsound] [disfmarker] uh using the simple battery will be a safer option as compared to the kinetic energy one, I mean, [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] a although it does seem uh interesting. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] But it does not hold any advantages as such for a [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah, [speaker002:] It's just a gimmick. [speaker003:] mm-hmm. [speaker001:] yeah. Okay. Uh okay, so r we understand this better now that uh the the speaker is for the feedback, right? [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] It it says uh the things that you type in or something like that, so [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah. I think if we can if we can include them at not too much extra cost, then I'd put them in, [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Ye yeah, [vocalsound] we we don't have too much information about it, um [disfmarker] [speaker003:] but if it's [disfmarker] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah, but it it [disfmarker] I think it should be quite cheap because it's from our own company, yeah. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] It's from the company, so [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah, okay, so so th this is in as well then, the sample speaker. [speaker003:] Yeah. Okay. [speaker001:] Right. [speaker003:] And the case is curved on one side, but then flat flat, so it's flipped into each other. [speaker001:] Flat on the top. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Yeah. Okay. [speaker003:] Can I pull the [vocalsound] thing out the back of your computer? [speaker002:] Yeah, sure j [speaker003:] Just so we can [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Sorry, do you want me to [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Nothing, it's right, I'm just [disfmarker] There we go. [speaker002:] What does um ICS mean? [speaker001:] ICs? Uh integrated circuits. [speaker002:] Okay, cool. So it's advanced integrated circuits? [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Uh oh now I've gone too far. [speaker001:] Uh um we we're definitely going in for voice recognition as well as LCDs, mm. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. We're on our way. Okay. [vocalsound] So we've basically worked out that we're going with a simple battery, the advanced chip [speaker001:] Right. [speaker003:] and a curved on one side case which is folded in on itself, um made out of rubber [speaker001:] Yep. [speaker003:] and the buttons are also rubber. We're having push-buttons on the outside and then on the inside an LCD with spinning wheel, and we're incorporating voice recognition. That's our overall concept, [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Um [disfmarker] [speaker003:] and it's gonna look sort of vegetable, [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] and be in bright vegetable colours. [speaker004:] Uh-huh. So [vocalsound] w w would with have the spinning wheel inside with the LCD, or would it be on the outer [disfmarker] [speaker003:] I think it's on the [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Imagine it would be inside. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker002:] So um actually that could like really cut down your thing, [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker002:] so you've got your outside, which is like minimalist, [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] and then you open it up and you've got a screen and a spinning wheel, which you can incorporate buttons into. [speaker004:] Yeah, okay. Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] Mm-mm. [speaker002:] Um so you've still not got like a lot of stuff in the [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah. On the [disfmarker] [speaker002:] You've maybe got, you know [disfmarker] [vocalsound] like if you're modelling on iPod you've got five buttons and a wheel, [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] and four of the buttons are in the wheel, and the other one's the little bit inside the wheel, [speaker003:] In the centre, yeah, sure. [speaker002:] yeah. [speaker004:] Mm yeah. [speaker003:] Okay, so now we've got thirty minutes before our next meeting. In the meantime, the Industrial Designer over here is gonna work on the look and feel design, [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] which I'll presume he'll work out what that means. Um the User Interface Designer will work on the user interface design and the Marketing Expert is going to work on product evaluation. And as well as that, the two designers are going to work together on our prototype following those instructions that we've just come up with using modelling clay and you will get extra instructions from your personal coach. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Cool. [speaker003:] Is that all okay? And anyone who hasn't put their their presentation in the project documents folder, it would be good just so [disfmarker] in case we have to refer to it. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yeah, okay. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Cool, I'm gonna go and sit on my own. [speaker003:] Y ah nobody wants to talk to you. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] I know, I'm hated. [speaker003:] Unplug yourself. [speaker004:] Hmm. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] I've got a bit tangled up in all this [vocalsound] [speaker004:] So but [disfmarker] shall I move away first or shall I stay here with [disfmarker] [speaker003:] I dunno, maybe I would car [speaker004:] we need to [disfmarker]

[speaker004:] It's Play-Doh. [speaker001:] Play-Doh's edible. Did you know that? It's definitely [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Because kids [disfmarker] yeah. [speaker002:] I used to eat it. [speaker003:] I've, I've definitely eaten it before. I didn't know was edible. [vocalsound] [gap]. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] But um, it's it's made edible 'cause, [speaker001:] It's it's chew proof. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] yeah. It's made edible 'cause kids eat it, and if it's wasn't edible then [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Well, normal babies. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Actually that makes sense, because I remember like, peopl I dunno if my Mom ever did it but I remember other people's Moms making like home-made Play-Doh where you just like make the [gap] colouring and make some sort of sort of dough. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Oh yeah it is, yeah. Oh yeah. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Right. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Everybody everybody ready? [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yep. [speaker001:] Okay, let's have your um [disfmarker] let's get [gap] have the uh presentation? [speaker003:] We've got some [gap]. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] We've got a cool prototype. [speaker003:] Yeah, it's pretty exciting. So, everything uh that we wanted we wanted it to be ergonomic and to be made out of rubber, very simple and easy to use, [speaker002:] Double curved. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] yeah, double curved, [speaker001:] Nice. [speaker003:] um but also something that was gonna jump out at people, something that would be different uh, separate it from the other remotes out on the market. So uh I think if you put this in the palm of your hand, you'll see what a nice thing we have going here. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] That is cool. [speaker003:] So, basically, if you hold it like that, the one on your thumb, yeah, [vocalsound] the thumb button is the power button. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] Your index finger is channel up, middle finger is channel down, ring finger is volume up, your pinkie is volume down. [speaker004:] What's the big blue thing? [speaker003:] That's the lock button, has a L L on it [speaker004:] Oh cool. [speaker003:] and then the M is a mute button. And then it also has digit [speaker001:] [gap] what button? Um. Oh mute. [speaker004:] And mute. [speaker003:] For muting the uh [disfmarker] Um and then then you can also [disfmarker] there's a numeric keypad on the top so you can key directly to the to the channel if you want. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] So it's really basic functionalities as far as what keys are available, but we think it's very comfortable and very innovative and it looks different. [speaker001:] That certainly does. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] So all the, I mean the important keys are right at your f f you know right at uh at a convenient place for you to to access them. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker003:] So you don't you [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Which is ant anti-RSI. [speaker003:] Yeah. It should be. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker003:] And it's also conformable to the size of your hand. I mean if that's too big, it's a rubber remote, so you can, you know [speaker001:] Yeah. 'S great. [speaker003:] change that. [speaker004:] Oh it's so cute. [speaker003:] So d does that uh what [disfmarker] mesh with what you guys were hoping and for and expecting or does it [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] I have one thing about it, but it's a small thing, but it'd mean we'd have to make a right-handed one and a left-handed one. [speaker003:] Ah, that's good thinking, yeah. [speaker002:] Oh right, yeah. [speaker001:] But, that's I don't see why that's not possible. [speaker003:] Yeah, if we build rocket ships why can't we build left-handed and right-handed uh remotes. [speaker001:] Yeah. [gap] They make left-handed scissors, you know. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yeah, I didn't I didn't think about that, but I'd [disfmarker] yeah, [gap]. [speaker004:] Yeah, but then but then you can learn to use your right h like I was just thinking if there's left-handers and right-handers in the family, what, they have two remotes? [speaker001:] Yes s [speaker002:] Yeah, I know I know people who have left-handed and right-handed people in the family and they all use the computer [vocalsound] for the whole [disfmarker] the same computer the fes family and they have a mouse, and everybody is using right-handed mouse. [speaker001:] Mm. Sure. Sure. [speaker004:] Yeah, I'm sure they'll be able to [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Uh-huh. [speaker004:] I mean it's only pressing buttons, you don't have to do anything, you know, extraordinary. I think everybody can press a button with their left and right hand so [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Imagine d are you right handed? [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Imagine you're doing it with your left hand, I don't think it's too [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah, it's not [disfmarker] [speaker002:] But we can have both uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah. Have them in stock. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Make 'em more appealing as well. [speaker001:] But um other than that, I mean uh and that's um, you know, that's just something, I think I think it's great, yeah, great idea. [speaker003:] Do you think it says [vocalsound] RR? [speaker002:] [gap] I think it does. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] I think it's, well, if the RR motto is, we bring fashion to to electronics, I'd say that could be quite fashionable. [speaker003:] Fashion to electronics. Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. And it's got the b the black and yellow and blue. Plus red, which is sort of a a fruit and vegetable uh uh. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker004:] [gap]. [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] There you go. [speaker003:] So that's that's [vocalsound] our end of things wha uh [disfmarker] That's [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah, very good, yeah. It's come up with what we've you know, the things that's what we've [disfmarker] what we were looking at doing, hasn't it, [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] [gap] all seems to be there. Well done. [speaker004:] And all the playing around is uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Um before we move on [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah, I'm just [disfmarker] do you wanna plug in? [speaker001:] I need that cable. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker001:] Thank you. Yeah. Um. One thing I do need to do [disfmarker] we need to look at, is the costs. [speaker003:] The costs, was that what you said? [speaker002:] Play-Doh is very cheap. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Well, yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker001:] [gap] um [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Play-Doh won't last very long everybody'll go like, oops, it's gone. [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] But it's edible. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Chew proof. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Well, they'll buy more of them if you eat them, [gap]. [speaker003:] That was the main criteria from the last meeting, it had to be chew proof. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah. Uh right. [vocalsound] Okay, now I think we'll do this [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] I could do [disfmarker] you know, I can do this o on my own or I could do it with you, [speaker002:] Oh ho-ho. [speaker001:] but it's just easy enough to go through it with you, so we're going for the kinetic power. [speaker002:] Yep. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] And the electronics, we decided on it being just a simple, the easiest thing that's inside it. Ooh. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] So [disfmarker] the case, we've gone for the double curved. Um and it's made out of rubber. [vocalsound] The interface is push-buttons. And button supplements well they're in diff special colours, aren't they? [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] So [gap] special colours. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] It's better for [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Special form, yeah, they're a special form there in shapes and stuff. [speaker003:] Yeah, [speaker004:] And special material. [speaker003:] I mean, [vocalsound] these these ones on the side are curved kind of, so [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yep. Yeah. Um. Are they made out of any special material? [speaker002:] Rubber. [speaker001:] No they're not. They're not made out of wood or titanium or rubber or anything, they're just simple [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Well they're rubber, aren't they? [speaker003:] The buttons are rubber. [speaker001:] Okay. Right. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] So let's see if that comes within budget. And it does. [speaker002:] [gap]. [speaker001:] That is gonna cost uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] We're under budget. [speaker001:] Yeah. That's gonna cost ten ten Euro seventy cents a unit to make. And our target was it had to come in at under twelve fifty. [speaker003:] That's cool. Yeah. Yeah. [speaker001:] So, [speaker003:] And we're actua actually making a better profit than we expected. [speaker001:] this is all very very good. The bosses will be very pleased. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Okay, let's just save this so I can e-mail it to you. Uh. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Save it in [gap] save it in the uh [vocalsound] my documents. [speaker004:] It's already saved, I think. [speaker001:] Splendid. Okay. So uh, that's [gap] done with this with this um doodah, so you're [gap]. Gonna do [disfmarker] what you were gonna do, [speaker004:] Thank you. Mm. [speaker001:] your evaluation. [speaker004:] Oh, yeah. This is where we all get to [vocalsound] I get to write on the, oops, on the board. Right. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Oh. 'S function [disfmarker] [speaker001:] F eight. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker001:] [gap] I love the smell of that Play-Doh. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yeah, [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] I cou [gap]. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] have some have some. [speaker004:] Okay. So, [vocalsound] evaluation. We're gonna do it all together so we evaluate each criteria. I've got the criterias. And we have to do it on a scale of one to seven, one being true, so it's it's more like it's [disfmarker] fits the criteria, and seven being as in it doesn't fit the criteria. And the criterias are, and I'll draw this up on the board [disfmarker] [vocalsound] so we have a box [disfmarker] [gap]. And this is false, this is just like to keep you informed. So seven's here and one's here and then you've got in the middle. [vocalsound] So the first criteria. Do you all get what we're doing? [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] Okay, cool. Okay, first criteria, look and feel. So the does remote look and feel fashionable to what we talked about? As it [disfmarker] is it colour-wise and is it spongy? So what mark should we give for that? [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker001:] I would give it a seven. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] As in it's not. [speaker003:] Oh, sorry, one. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Oh sorry, one, d yeah. [speaker002:] A one. [speaker004:] A one a one. So I'll just write criteria criteria one we get one. Second criteria, new technology. Have we implemented new technology? As in the new high-tech [vocalsound] [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Well, the kinetic thing, yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] That was our main technological innovation w every everything else was fairly simple, but the fact that we used the kinetic energy was new. [speaker001:] [gap]. [speaker004:] So it's [gap]. So we'll give it a [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Well so the um [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] It's ergonomic, but that's not [disfmarker] that's that's a design that's a des that's a design thing, yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah, but that's not a technological thing, that's another thing, i that's another marketing thing. [speaker002:] Yeah. Yeah. True. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] So on the technical side of it it [disfmarker] [speaker004:] I'd say it's about a a twoish? [speaker003:] It's about in the mid in the middle somewhere, [speaker002:] Two. [speaker004:] Two. [speaker003:] maybe, yeah, I dunno. [speaker004:] Three. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Maybe three, yeah. [speaker004:] [gap] three. So criteria three is is it easy to use? [speaker001:] Easy to use. [speaker004:] I think it's a one, I think. [speaker001:] I'd say it's I wouldn't [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] not if you're left-handed it's not. I would give it a I would give it a two, [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker004:] Two, so it's [disfmarker] [speaker001:] 'cause i i it i it i it is more geared for right-handed people than left-handed people, but [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker004:] But if we make a right-handed and a left-handed then? [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker003:] If we're gonna have one left-handed and one right-handed then I would give it a one, but otherwise otherwise a two. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Give it a t give it a two. [speaker004:] Yeah, okay. [vocalsound] 'Kay, criteria four is costs. [gap] [speaker001:] Cost. It's come in under budget. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] 's great. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] So that's a definite one. [speaker003:] That was great. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Amount of buttons. [speaker004:] Like the amount of buttons, 'cause people like a lot le like [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Contains only the necessary buttons. [speaker004:] So it's a one? [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Um criteria six. RSI is it good against? [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yes s yeah. [speaker004:] Yes. Very good. [speaker001:] So it's anti-RSI. [speaker004:] It's one. And criteria seven, which is the last one, does it get lost? Is it easy to get lost? [speaker002:] It's yellow. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] It is very bright, yeah. [speaker001:] I don't think it's gonna get lost easily. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] No? But it is smallish. [speaker003:] It's not the kinda thing that's gonna slip like between a couch cushion or something, you know. [speaker002:] Two. [speaker003:] Maybe it will. Uh. [speaker002:] T [speaker004:] Mm. I think i it would, could be, could get lost. [speaker003:] You think it could lost [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [gap] two. [speaker004:] Mm. Yeah. [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker004:] I mean it's not fully it's not fully [disfmarker] like you can't say [disfmarker] [speaker001:] I mean it [disfmarker] No, I mean [speaker004:] I mean, it's not a one, definitely. [speaker001:] I mean, you could still flush it down the toilet theoretically, but [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Okay. Yeah, anything, I mean. Okay. It's bigger than the average mobile, I guess. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] But, yeah, it can get lost. [speaker004:] The mobiles get lost all the time. [speaker003:] Yeah. Okay, yeah, two is fine. [speaker004:] But then you ring 'em and you find them. [vocalsound] So [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Mm. Mm. [speaker003:] Yeah, yeah. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] Yeah. So, that's that. So that's the evaluation, so I'd say [disfmarker] Yay. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] We've, we've done well. [speaker001:] Alright it's all all systems go. [speaker004:] It's like [vocalsound] [gap] like a number one. Um. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Number one product. [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] We can't fail. [speaker004:] All done, thanks. We fitted all the criterias. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] [gap]. [speaker004:] Yeah, so [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Well done, Reissa. [speaker004:] So that's that one. [speaker001:] Okay, I I think um I just wanna put in as Project Manager the you know, little bit of praise for everybody here for how they've worked on it, [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] you know, both individually and as a team. You know you've w everyone's come up with their own individual ideas in their own different departments, um and then come together and worked in, you know, integrally, you know, at the right times, psp, you know, especially you two. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] That's all, you know, gone very very well [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] and and and be you know, has been good communication going on. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah, during our design I mean there was some s some heated heated discussion, but we we kept [disfmarker] we tried to keep it cool and and [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Did you have to go down to the the corporate squash court and bash a few balls about? [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] just just [disfmarker] [vocalsound] We just had to we just had to squeeze our product a little bit and [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Well. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] You know [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Fantastic. [speaker003:] Now you guys have been a a great team. [speaker002:] It is [gap]. [speaker003:] Think we're the we're the envy of all the of all the other RR teams, [gap]. [speaker004:] [gap] been cool. [speaker001:] I think [disfmarker] So [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] I I, you know, and I think we've co we have come we've come up with something new, something that hasn't been done before, we haven't [disfmarker] we're not just rehashing an old design. [speaker004:] In four diff in in four meetings. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Funny, all designer meetings could be this quick. [speaker001:] You know, maybe this isn't a simulation, maybe this is actually [disfmarker] so it's like Sony or someone like that they're they're just, yeah, [gap] they get [gap] [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah I think they're actually trying to find ideas for a ideal remote. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] They're using our ideas. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah. Yeah, [gap] two years' time this will be on the market. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Ex exactly that product [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] um thum [disfmarker] we'll go, yeah, we designed that and no-one will believe us. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] But um [disfmarker] [speaker003:] So at this stage, I mean, is this the last meeting of the project? We don't uh have another one after it's gone gone to marke market or something? [speaker004:] Yeah. [gap] [speaker001:] No, I think when this meeting's finished like officially, there b we'll get a uh questionnaire to fill in. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Y Oh really? [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Or six, uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Just start summarising now. [vocalsound] You can reply to the same message. [speaker001:] I haven't got message. [speaker004:] See summary, there. If you just reply to that one. [speaker003:] So there's no way to like predict what our [disfmarker] 'Cause we had a [disfmarker] we originally had a [vocalsound] [disfmarker] As far as our financial uh um goals, we had a specific number for profits that we wanted. It was fifty mil fifty million [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Was it was it fifty or five? [speaker003:] I don't remember. But there's not a way to compute that, I mean, since we saved on the on the production cost, do we know how much we're making on profit? [speaker001:] It gets handed over to another department. [speaker004:] Depends how much we sell. [speaker003:] Uh. [speaker001:] What our what our project was was to come up with the product, basically. [speaker003:] Hmm. [speaker001:] [gap] the for the [disfmarker] and just basically is it it come [disfmarker] can [disfmarker] is it within budget. When it c when it comes to all the other things of how to sell it and, you know, the b the profits and all that that's other departments [disfmarker] it's another team that actually work out the mai the [disfmarker] [speaker003:] But we have a vested interest [gap] [speaker001:] oh yeah, [speaker003:] prof profit sharing [vocalsound]. [speaker001:] the [disfmarker] all the guys in the profit sharing, yeah. [vocalsound] Um. Yeah, that's it. You know, we've we've we've made i we've made [speaker004:] We finished an hour earlier. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] we've designed the product, we've ma we've got the prototype, it's within budget, it's [disfmarker] does everything that we wanted it to do. It's new, it's it's um something that uh [vocalsound] that isn't out there already. [speaker003:] I think actually [disfmarker] and one advantage of of this is that after the uh, you know, after this fad of fruit and vegetables passes this will still be c a cool remote, you know. [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker003:] We're not we're not you know, tying tying our cart to that one horse [gap]. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker001:] Well, this is very marketable in that it is it's it's something that's kind of new and looks a bit quirky for people who want that, [speaker004:] Definitely. [speaker001:] it's [disfmarker] that it's um, hang on, I wrote it down here somewhere [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Oh no I thi I put it in one of my e-mails that I sent off. Um that, you know, it's marketable in the sense that it's [disfmarker] whilst all these other remotes uh actually do give you repetitive strain injury, our one does the complete opposite, you know, [speaker003:] Mm. Mm. [speaker001:] so that's something that's new, which is one of the criteria they asked us to come up with something with something new. [speaker003:] Mm. It make watching TV healthy. [speaker001:] Yeah, and if you're not having a good time with the TV, you can f throw it about, you know. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] It's fine, it's kid proof. [speaker004:] Just don't sh don't throw it at any of the ornaments and break them. [speaker003:] Uh. [speaker001:] Well, you can break the ornaments, but you won't break that. [speaker004:] No [gap]. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yeah. So all in all, I think we've done very well. [speaker002:] Mm yep. [speaker001:] Well done everybody. [speaker004:] Yay. [speaker003:] Right, you too. [speaker001:] Um. Drinks are on the company. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Cool. [speaker001:] In the corporate bar that's next to the corporate swimming pool on the top floor that we're that've all just gained access to. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Mm. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Glad to hear that. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yeah. That's it. [speaker003:] That's it. [speaker001:] Well, as far as I t as far as I know. Um. [speaker004:] Yep. We haven't got the five minute left thing yet. [speaker001:] No. Anyone wanna play I spy? [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Mm mm. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] I guess it's probably better that we wrap it up than have five minutes of silence. Should we call the day then? [speaker001:] Yeah, I guess. I mean we're gonna get asked to fill out another questionnaire. [speaker003:] Uh, right. [speaker001:] Um. It's probably gonna be the same as one we've done before. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] In [gap] project. [speaker001:] But I'm not the authority to say that it is. Um how does everyone feel about the technology that's been used in this? The sort of using of the the pens and writing on these special pads and all that? [speaker004:] I love it. [vocalsound] I love it. [vocalsound] I think it's cool. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Being all wired up and a vibrating pen and [disfmarker] it's cool. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Being watched. Um [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Your moment to shine. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Wow. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yeah. I thi you know, I'd I'd n yeah, as we said earlier, I've not [disfmarker] never seen that before. [gap] something that t the whiteboard [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] thingy, [vocalsound] that's great. Um, but a p a pen with a camera on it, I don't think it's such a new thing. I mean it's i or in such a new idea. It would be different if it was sort of hand writing recognition stuff, but as it's not [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] it's literally that'll come up on a computer screen as a picture file rather than actual text. [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker003:] Right, I think they do want to do hand writing recognition on that, it's just the first step. [speaker001:] Yeah. Yeah. Mm. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Logitech. [speaker003:] I guess we should end this, since we're off off topic. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] So. Shall we [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Meeting adjourned. [speaker003:] Right. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah.

[speaker002:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Mm uh. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [gap] We're the first. [speaker002:] Mm. We're the first ones. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Marketing Expert, yes. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] So you found your spots. [speaker004:] Yes. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Move to the meeting room. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Bling bling. [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker004:] Right. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] Uh [vocalsound] where has my screen gone? [speaker003:] Hi. [speaker002:] Hello, good day. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Oh yeah, [speaker004:] Hmm. [speaker003:] we have to talk in English, huh. [speaker002:] Yep. [speaker004:] Yeah. My screen is gone. [vocalsound] Oh. [speaker001:] It's called black. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Kick-off meeting, wow. [speaker003:] I'm afraid I'm a bit slow for this stuff uh. [speaker002:] It's uh looks uh nice. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Hmm? [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] I'm afraid I'm a bit too slow. [vocalsound] I don't know how much preparation you guys did, [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] but not a lot. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] No, it's [disfmarker] it was uh not enough. [speaker001:] You see this beautiful presentation. [speaker004:] Yeah. Very nice. [speaker001:] Okay let's get started. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Uh I sort of prepared this. Uh opening acquaintance, tool training, uh how to use the things here. Uh project plan discussion, and yeah then the rest of the meeting. [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Um we're supposed to develop a new remote control, that's both original, trendy and user-friendly. So, [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] hope you have good ideas. I don't. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] I did my best. [speaker001:] Um we're work we're working uh from top to bottom. Uh functional design, [speaker003:] Not yet. [speaker001:] then we do some in individual work, then we have a meeting to discuss the results, etcetera etcetera. And at the end of the day we should have a prototype drawn up. Uh we have available the smart board and the whiteboard. Um uh we should take some practice. I have some instructions now to do that. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Uh well you know how to [disfmarker] the documents work. So [disfmarker] Uh this for toolbar. You see it next. Um we have a pen. And we can use this pen to perform. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Operations. [speaker001:] Yes. So [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] It doesn't always work. Yes. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Okay so you can draw. [speaker004:] Draw. Alright. [speaker001:] Okay and in the format menu you can select colour and line width, etcetera etcetera. [speaker004:] 'Kay. [speaker001:] Okay? Uh [disfmarker] Okay. Each of you can uh take some practice and you should draw an animal. Uh you should explain [disfmarker] Uh with different colours and with different pen widths. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] And you should explain why you draw that particular animal. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Don't take up too much space. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] So, Julian. [speaker002:] Um yeah. [speaker003:] Different pen widths, how do you do that? [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Uh with the format menu. [speaker003:] Oh okay. [speaker001:] And use different colours etcetera. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] It's a giraffe. Yeah. [speaker003:] Are you serious? [speaker001:] And [vocalsound] what's that supposed to be? [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Should it be one [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Oh yeah. [vocalsound] Oh yeah [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker001:] four legs. Uh-huh. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Giraffe's yellow. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Uh it needs some uh some yellow uh [disfmarker] Oh format. [speaker004:] Can you use one blank sheet per drawing? Or [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] so y you must save it at the end and then [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah you can press the next button, which is uh [disfmarker] yeah. [speaker002:] That's some spots. [speaker001:] I'll show you. [speaker003:] I in the file option menu. [speaker001:] Yeah. In file menu. [speaker004:] Okay, then m make a new one. [speaker002:] No. [speaker003:] How much time do we have to draw anyway? [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker003:] 'Cause I can take forever on this. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [gap] [speaker002:] Okay. Do I have to explain uh why I chose this uh this animal? [speaker001:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] I think it's a it's a great animal. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] What is it? [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] It's a it's a giraffe. [speaker001:] A giraffe okay. [speaker002:] Yeah, [speaker001:] Yeah [speaker002:] that's a [disfmarker] [speaker001:] I see a long neck but [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] It's more like a dinosaur. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Um [disfmarker] Okay I'll will give it an uh an eye. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Uh. [speaker001:] That's nice of you. [speaker002:] Hey. Come on. [speaker004:] Some leaf to eat. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [gap] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Okay. Yeah pretty good. Uh could you press the next uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] The next? Yes. [speaker001:] Okay. Then uh [disfmarker] [gap]. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Here you go. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Thanks. [speaker002:] Hmm. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Is this part of our a acquai or introduction to each other? [speaker001:] Yeah sorry, [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] introduction and get acquainted and [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Alright. [speaker001:] That's the idea, so [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Uh. Your line broke. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah. Alright. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] It's not that fast. [speaker001:] Yeah it's a bit slow, so [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] I see. It misses the spot. [speaker001:] [gap] pressure. [speaker003:] I'm guessing a turtle. No. [vocalsound] I'm kidding. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] I say good guess. Uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Why a turtle? [speaker003:] Because of its shell. [speaker004:] Because it's slow. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] It's slow. [speaker002:] 'Cause it's so 'cause it's green. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] You were slow too so [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah I was a bit slow too. [speaker003:] Dude you're a good drawer. [speaker004:] So [disfmarker] [vocalsound] Uh some other line uh width uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Do you have a turtle pet? [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] No. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Uh okay. [speaker004:] I dunno. [vocalsound] Does it have legs? [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah yeah yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah sure. [speaker004:] Yeah? [speaker001:] Yeah not exactly legs but [disfmarker] More like fins [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Stumpy stuff. [speaker001:] or [disfmarker] [speaker004:] It's more like a tank. Yeah that's fins but I don't know where. [speaker003:] They kind of l look like mole legs. With sharp nails on. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Some spots. Ah some eye. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yeah it's l looks very friendly. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah that's a fr [vocalsound] friendly turtle I guess. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah well I think it's uh fair enough. [speaker001:] Yeah okay. [speaker003:] A little tail maybe. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [gap] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Right. [vocalsound] I don't know what the position is. [vocalsound] Does it have ears? [speaker003:] Uh no. [speaker001:] No. [speaker004:] No. Oh okay. [speaker002:] No. [speaker003:] The little holes maybe. [speaker004:] Can you erase ears or [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah yeah yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah? [speaker001:] There's a a gum, [speaker004:] Alright. [speaker001:] gum to [gap]. [speaker004:] Eraser. [speaker003:] And why did you choose this animal? [speaker004:] So [disfmarker] [speaker001:] He said it was slow. [speaker004:] I dunno. I it just came into my mind. So there's no particular reason [speaker003:] Alright. [speaker004:] I [gap] pen. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] I like it. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah. Well I'm [disfmarker] guess I'm done. [speaker001:] Okay. [gap] [speaker004:] That's my turtle. [speaker001:] Your turn Niels. [speaker003:] Alright. [speaker004:] How to select the next or [disfmarker] [speaker001:] The next [speaker004:] here. [speaker001:] yeah. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker003:] [gap] Colours were under format [speaker004:] Here you go. [speaker001:] Makes new paper. [speaker003:] right? [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Let's see. [speaker001:] Orange. [speaker003:] How am I gonna do this? Um [disfmarker] Mm uh. [speaker002:] A rabbit I think. [speaker001:] Kangaroo. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Not quite actually. [speaker002:] Kangaroo. [vocalsound] Fox. [speaker004:] A fox yeah. Firefox. [speaker001:] Dog. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] No. [speaker001:] Cat. [speaker003:] Aye. [vocalsound] It's a cat. [speaker001:] It's a cat. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker003:] Not quite yet through. [speaker004:] A cat who had an accident or [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Why a cat? [speaker003:] Uh yeah I dunno. They're my favourite pets. [speaker001:] You have some uh? [speaker003:] Uh I have colour already. Yeah I'm not so good at drawing with this kind of st [speaker001:] [vocalsound] The pen, [speaker003:] Oh shit. Um [disfmarker] [speaker001:] yeah. [speaker003:] Excuse my language. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Sure. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] I don't know how to draw its face. But you get the idea. It's a cat. [speaker001:] Yeah. [vocalsound] Alright. [speaker003:] It's my favourite uh pet animal, 'cause they're cute, they're independent and cuddly, I dunno. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] That's it. Or do I need to use more colours [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] and [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [gap] I think it's okay. [speaker003:] Alright. [speaker001:] You get idea [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] right? Okay um [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] we have a financial aspect to this project. [vocalsound] Um we can sell them at twenty five Euros. Uh the aim is to reach [disfmarker] uh uh to sell as much as fifty million Euros. Uh that's quite a big amount of money. And the production cost should be the half of the selling price. [speaker003:] So we have to s [speaker001:] Okay now it's time for some discussion. [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [gap] [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] Uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] What uh what uh do you want to discuss? [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yeah. We should get started. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yep. [speaker001:] Uh I'm taking notes. Um [speaker004:] Okay. Great. [speaker001:] we each have a specific task, as I saw in my mail. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] I didn't know if you received the same mail. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah? [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] I guess so. Yeah. [speaker001:] Okay so the um [vocalsound] uh [gap] this industrati Industrial Designer should produce a working design. Am I correct? [speaker003:] True. [speaker001:] Okay. Uh the User Interface Designer should specify the technical functions. Right? Yeah? [speaker002:] Yep. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] And the Marketing uh Expert should come up with user requirements. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Uh did any of you already do some work on this part or [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Well I started making an overview for myself, um what I had to do, 'cause we have three design steps and in every step I have a s specific task to perform or whatever. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] So I had to uh, [vocalsound] I dunno, make an overview for myself about what I have to do, [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] and kind of let it work in to get ideas about well how I have to fill it. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. And do you have any ideas about the product uh so far? [speaker003:] Well I started I started with the first phase, I think was the functional. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] And uh let's see I had to focus on the working design, which you said. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] How does the apparatus work? And well I basically had two points. Uh [vocalsound] according to the coffee uh machine example, I have batteries to supply energy, [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] and we ye use button presses to activate or deactivate certain functions on the TV. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker003:] And that's basically all I have so far. [speaker001:] Yeah I got another point. It uses infrared light to communicate the signal to the TV apparatus or stereo. [speaker002:] Yeah. Wireless uh [disfmarker] huh. [speaker004:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker003:] Alright. Yeah. [speaker004:] So that's very common. [speaker002:] Uh it's uh some buttons for for the on off function. You d you already told that. And for the changing up to the [disfmarker] to all the channels and changing the volume. That are the the basic options for a remote control. [speaker003:] Yeah. Yeah I kept it global 'cause [vocalsound] [disfmarker] that it activates or deactivates specific functions, 'cause I wasn't thinking yet about that. [speaker002:] Okay, yeah. [speaker003:] I mean, you wanna ch ch flip the channel [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] but you might wanna use teletext also. [speaker002:] Yep. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] I dunno what the word is in English. Uh [gap] [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Same I believe [gap]. [speaker004:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Uh and what did the Marketing Expert do? [speaker004:] Uh well from a marketing uh [vocalsound] perspective, um well the function des design phase uh consists out of the user requirements. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] Um what needs and desires are to be fulfilled? So there are a few means to reach that um by by doing research [vocalsound] uh to see what existing products are there out in the market. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] I mean, what functions do they have. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker004:] Um especially what are their shortcomings? Are there any new functions uh which can be added to our product? [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] Um therefore we have to to do some internet search. For example for um well what kind of applications do current remote controls support, and what are f featur features of uh current and future televisions? [speaker001:] Yep. Yes. [speaker004:] So we can see uh what needs to be supported. Um [vocalsound] and we can interview current users and future users. What w what would they like to see uh on a new remote control? Um especially for future users, [speaker001:] Okay. Okay. [speaker004:] uh I'm thinking of early adopters, because they they use new technology first, [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] and they play with a lot of tools and stuff so maybe they have some good ideas to uh to add. [speaker001:] Okay. And you can get that information? [speaker004:] I think I can get that information, yeah. [speaker001:] Okay. That would be very handy. [speaker004:] So [disfmarker] yeah. [speaker001:] Um but have you any idea so far as what uh the user requirements are? [speaker004:] No n not specifically. More to how to get them [speaker001:] No? [speaker002:] [vocalsound] I got some uh requirements [speaker004:] and [disfmarker] [speaker001:] No okay. [speaker002:] it has uh [gap] it has to be user-friendly. [speaker001:] Yeah? [speaker004:] Yeah? [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Of course. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. Obviously. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] Uh really easy to use buttons, not not uh very small buttons, but not the the also the big big buttons, but just normal buttons. It has to be a small unit. It has to be uh [disfmarker] yeah, you can take it with you uh everywhere in in your house. So it has n has not to be l yeah, gigantic uh machine. [speaker001:] Big, mm-hmm. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Uh and a and a good uh zapping range. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Uh what do you mean by that? [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Uh the distance uh from your television to your uh remote control has to be, uh yeah um yeah, quite a big distance. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] It has to be capable for zapping uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] From the other end of the room or something? [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Okay um [disfmarker] Well I don't think I have anything more to add at the moment. Um I think the best is to go to work. [speaker003:] Whoa. Is that you or [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] alright. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] Any more points to discuss? [speaker001:] Yeah. I think we can go ahead with what we have. I will summarise the things we discussed and put it in the project folder. Uh the use of the Industrial Designer can work on the working design, etcetera etcetera. And it seems you get more information by email. [speaker004:] Alright. [speaker001:] So [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Alright. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] that was it for me. [speaker004:] 'Kay. Thanks. [speaker001:] Uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Are you going to put the the notes on the [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah, in the project folder. Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. The pro okay. [speaker002:] Okay. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Alright. [speaker001:] I'm writing very fast. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah. Okay. [speaker001:] Hope it's readable. [speaker004:] Uh. [speaker002:] Yep. [speaker001:] Okay [vocalsound] [speaker004:] I guess so. [speaker001:] um anything more you want to add to the discussion? [speaker003:] Well no I'm just a bit wondering what we're gonna do the next uh session? [speaker002:] Yeah. Do we only have to to do uh phase one, the functional design uh? [speaker001:] Yeah. Because then we have a [disfmarker] [speaker002:] After that we are going to the conceptual uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah. We're just working the three phases. [speaker001:] Y you do some individual work, we have meeting, individual work, meeting. And at the end of the day we have a final meeting. And then I have to prepare [disfmarker] uh I have to defend our design, [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] so make it good. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah okay. We'll do our best. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] I depend on you. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Better make it [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] I am gonna work on the conceptual design already 'cause yeah it's fairly important to know what kind of components we want to put in. [speaker001:] Yeah? If you can mix it it's okay. Mm-hmm. Yeah. [speaker003:] Do we [disfmarker] I mean, is it gonna be a multimedia control centre? Do we want to be able to use the video recorder with it? [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah. [vocalsound] That is my question also [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] because like new new functions [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Well I think that is the user requirements part. [speaker004:] Requirements. Yeah. [speaker001:] As to what they want. Uh do they want all those functions on that small [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah. True. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] But but we need good communication about this stuff, [speaker004:] Unit. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] 'cause I have to f put the components into the design. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] I would first m [speaker003:] So if I don't know what components to put in, it's kind of hard. [speaker004:] Yeah well I I was [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah I understand. [speaker002:] Yeah. I I think we have first to start with the basic functions [speaker004:] Yeah [speaker002:] and we can uh expand them. [speaker004:] well [speaker001:] You can always add a few [disfmarker] [speaker004:] like l li like some like some some remotes who are out there, which I know, there's one button which is very easy to switch between devices. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] So you can switch to your video and then the same buttons control your video. [speaker001:] Hmm, the CD player. Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] And another function I'll think of switch to your media centre, because that's getting very popular. [speaker003:] Yeah so [disfmarker] [speaker004:] And then use your Windows media centre [vocalsound] under your TV with the same remote control. So with the switch, one single switch [gap] [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Okay. Yeah I I know what you mean, [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] but you'll ne need several other buttons for a video player. [speaker004:] S [speaker003:] You need a play and a forw fast forward and a stop function. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] Yeah records and stuff like that. [speaker003:] And you you don't need that for a TV. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] No. [speaker003:] And and for a t uh teletext you need additional buttons as well, [speaker001:] You need additional [disfmarker] yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] so I kind of need to know what we uh need. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. Uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Whatever, I'll just put my ideas in uh in here [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] and then we can discuss it with the next uh meeting. [speaker004:] In the project uh [disfmarker] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. We could just start with the assumption that's only for TV and video. And um reserve the possibility to add other features. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker001:] So we have a basic starting point [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker001:] and you can always extend that so make sure it's extendible. Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Alright. [speaker002:] it it has yeah it has to be user-friendly. So it's hasn't [gap] [disfmarker] it's [disfmarker] yeah. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Th the least amount of functions possible [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] so it's easier to get to know how it works etcetera. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] I understand. Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah? Okay [speaker003:] Alright. [speaker004:] Yes. [speaker001:] and uh I'll see you again uh when the computer tells us to. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yeah, you're di dismissed. [speaker002:] Can we leave now [speaker004:] Half an hour. [speaker002:] or [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Thanks. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] You're fired. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Not yet. [speaker004:] No. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker003:] Alright. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker004:] Alright let's move on. [speaker001:] Let's see what we got to do. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] See you later. [speaker004:] Yeah see you later. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Good luck. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah. Thank you. [speaker004:] Well good luck. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] What the [disfmarker]

[speaker003:] [vocalsound] Um [vocalsound] minutes from the last meeting which were essentially that we uh had decided on roles for each of you, however, um there are some changes that I've got from on high that um [speaker004:] Okay. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] are a bit uh [disfmarker] well w what I didn't actually realise it was that the uh [vocalsound] this is for a specific television. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker003:] So the all in one idea goes out the window. And [vocalsound] they require that the uh [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] actually I'll get to that at the end [gap] point number four, um we'll get what you've got and then we can see what we can adapt from it. So um, presentations, were you [disfmarker] anybody got, raring to go? [speaker002:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker003:] Raring to go? Okay. Good stuff. Mm. [speaker002:] Um. So how [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Oh I need to plug you in. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] S [gap] [speaker004:] Wow. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Just about. [speaker001:] It's a inspired design. [speaker002:] [gap] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Sh do you want me to hold it? [speaker003:] Uh there we go, just screw 'em on in. Gonna have to swap them round so [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] now, it was function F eight. [speaker002:] So, after that? F eight. [vocalsound] f oh sorry F eight. [speaker003:] That's the wee blue one. Blue one F eight. Should do it, good one. [speaker002:] Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, me again, Rajan the Marketing Expert. Uh, as we have decided in the last meeting that I have to find out, sorry, yeah sure. [speaker003:] Hold on, sorry. [gap] and if you just click that it'll go ahead, one at a time. [speaker002:] Yeah, yeah. Uh actually, sorry I have to see the other [gap], sorry. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Sorry, uh. [speaker002:] Yeah, thank you. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Uh, yes, I have to look at the uh market potential for this product, uh, like consumer likings and everything, what is the potential for this product and are we able to achieve our a net profit or our aims or not? Then [disfmarker] [speaker003:] P press F five to start it first. [speaker002:] Sorry. Okay. Yeah, I can, okay. [speaker001:] Hmm. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Jesus. [speaker002:] Uh then uh the methodology I adopted to find out all this was market survey. A a detailed market survey on consumers was done to find out their likings and dislikings, what they prefer what they not prefer, w what problems they do encounter in all this type of things. And what we got was, we found that [disfmarker] if you [disfmarker] uh, what they th what problems they are having with different uh remote controls available in the market. Seventy five percent of users they do find it that the remote controls available in the market are ugly. They are not so good looking. So, we have to put stress on this, uh we have to take care of this fact also like our design, uh should be appropriate, should be good looking for the consumers. And yes that's wi uh this will definitely, this can definitely put uh uh enhance our sales. Uh and even uh the good thing about this is that eighty percent of users they are willing to pay high uh pay more for this uh good looking remote controls also. So even if the available market goes for the available [disfmarker] uh even if the market goes for the available remote control is less even then we can sell it at twenty five Euros, which maybe which may seem quite high but if our looks are are if the re remote control we design have a good better uh better look uh designs, then we can hope that consumers will prefer these g remote controls. [speaker003:] Excellent. [speaker002:] Then [disfmarker] [gap] And the second thing, some some companies they think that they should have more and more functions of the users uh or in their remote controls, but rather than those having more functions in the remote controls we should emphasise what actually consumer want, what they operate, rather than making it too complicated. Because mostly it has been found that fifty percent of the users they use only ten percent of the buttons, so there is no point of having ninety percent buttons making the remote controls too bulky, too complicated too expensive a because I think I believe that technology is useful only if uh the consumers they want to use it. Otherwise there is no point of having all this type of things. So this will not only reduce the cost of our remote controls but it will increase our profit also. So we have to take care of this fact also. Then. Uh it was function I want to go to. [speaker003:] Oh you wanna go back? Just escape. [speaker002:] Uh, escape, okay thank you. Then if we look at this slide, [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker002:] uh these are in your shared documents, you can see, [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker002:] like [disfmarker] Uh, sorry. [speaker004:] So, sorry [disfmarker] I was just gonna say, what was the question for this? Or is [disfmarker] are you coming on to that? [speaker002:] Ah t look all the market potential, what uh how we should design consu our remote controls, what they should be there so as to en enhance our profit, enhance our sales. [speaker004:] Okay. So these percentages are are what? [speaker002:] Yeah, these are different age group persons like uh sorry, I can open it in another way. [speaker003:] Okay. Speech recognition. [speaker002:] Uh, yes. If we look at the costs whether the consumers they are willing to uh pay more for speech recognition in a remote control or not, we can find that they up to a thirty five years age group we have a very good disliking for this uh this uh point, like for speech recognition in a remote control. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] So we can emphasise on this point also like, because it will definitely enhance our sales in this ag in this particular age group from uh fifteen to thirty five, [speaker004:] Hmm. [speaker002:] and I uh and I think that most of the users of the rem uh TV are belong to this age group. [speaker003:] Hmm. [speaker002:] So we should look [disfmarker] [speaker003:] We're als we we're looking at who buys it as well. [gap] [speaker002:] Yeah. We can look at that that factor also, so yes. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Uh, which I think the twenty five to thirty five is uh usual, sort of. [speaker004:] Mm, mm. [speaker002:] Yeah. So, and [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [gap] [speaker002:] [gap] [vocalsound] And then [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Fifteen to twe [speaker002:] Yes. I think so. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Uh if we look at this data how how uh h how what are the problems the consumers are facing with the existing remote controls in the market. They find that thirt uh thirty five percent uh thirty four percent of the consumers they find too difficult to operate a remote control. So it should be in such a way that it should be easy to learn how to operate these remote controls and we should provide pl uh spe uh proper manuals for its use also so as that people [disfmarker] consumers could easily learn. They need not to have any, much technical knowledge to see uh to know how to operate these remote controls. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] So this is also a very goo uh major factor to loo uh take into consideration to enhance our profits and sales. So um this is all about [speaker003:] Okay. [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] uh market potential by me. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Uh, yes, th thank you. [speaker003:] Okay, thank you. Um, [vocalsound] follow on with Helen? Yeah please. [speaker004:] Yep, sure, that's cool, um [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah we have to take that [gap] out. [speaker003:] Oh, so we do yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Sorry. [speaker003:] Fun and games. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Sorry. [speaker003:] Don't know if the cable's gonna be long enough. [speaker002:] Uh sorry, [speaker003:] I think I just kicked over whatever it runs on underneath as well. [speaker002:] I have [gap]. [vocalsound] Brian, this one also I [gap]. Yeah. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker004:] I can turn my computer quickly if that's okay. [speaker002:] Thank you very much Brian. If you want me to help, yeah. [speaker004:] Um, yep. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Okay, and then what do I press, F eight? [speaker002:] Uh F eight. Function F eight. [speaker003:] Function F eight. [speaker004:] Oh right. [speaker002:] Mm s. [speaker004:] Okay, cool. [speaker002:] It's not coming. [speaker004:] Oh. [speaker002:] Function F eight, okay. Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. No signal. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Hmm. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Computer. [speaker003:] There you go. [speaker002:] Computer adjusting, yeah. [speaker004:] Okay. Cool. Okay and then how do I press the the big one, to get it on to the big [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Uh F five. [speaker004:] F five and I press that again to get it off as well do I? [speaker003:] Um, F five and escape'll bring it back and just uh the left button for advancing. [speaker002:] Escape. [speaker004:] Okay, so um I'm the interface design designer, User Interface Designer sorry, uh I'm concerned with um w what effect the apparatus should have on the user and um I'm I'm also [disfmarker] I want to point out that our motto, put the fashion in electronics, [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] so obviously we as a company we want to make our products trendy and fashionable, it's a big concern of ours. Okay, and how do I press n just the next button? [speaker003:] Uh just a left uh [speaker004:] The arrow? Okay. [speaker003:] left mouse button. [speaker004:] So um I looked at existing designs and also um the information that Raj gave us was very useful about what people like, what people dislike. Um and what people [disfmarker] fashionable, because we said people between twenty five and thirty five were the main um buyers of of our TV I think. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. Okay. [speaker004:] So um what they like and what they find fashionable. [speaker003:] 'Kay. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] And ergonomics, we said um, I don't know I haven't actually been able to do any of this myself, [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] but um maybe that comes up, I don't know. [speaker003:] That can come under Arlo as well. [speaker004:] And the findings, well the basic [disfmarker] that was the basic function to send messages to the television set. That's what people want to do. [speaker003:] Uh. [speaker004:] Um, so they need to be included, um, but I've got some pictures here of some leading ones. I don't know how to get to them, [vocalsound] do I press F five is it? [gap] escape? [speaker003:] Uh if you if you escape then you can see your bar. [speaker004:] Oh okay, cool. I haven't got my glasses on so I hope it's this one. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Uh okay. [speaker004:] These are two leading um remote controls at the moment. You know they're grey, [speaker003:] 'Kay. [speaker004:] they've I mean this one's got loads of buttons, it's hard to tell from here what they actually do, [speaker003:] [gap] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] and they don't look very exciting at all. Um, personally I prefer this one just because it's looks easier use, it's a bit more sleek with more of this silver stuff, [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] um, but there you go, that's what we're up against, and I think we can do much better than that. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] We hope so. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] Of course. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Um hang on. F five, okay, sorry. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Personal preferences. Um, well I think we need to l I think the ergonomics is quite um important, um [speaker003:] [gap] Yeah, particularly if we've uh there was a bit in Raj's about RSI and things as well. [speaker004:] Uh-huh. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] And um I thought not too edgy and like a box, more kind of hand-held more um [vocalsound] not as uh computery and [speaker003:] Organic [vocalsound]. [speaker004:] or organic, yeah, more organic shape I think. [vocalsound] Um simple designs, like the last one we just saw, not too many buttons and as Raj pointed out, only ten percent [disfmarker] fifty percent of people only use ten percent of the buttons, [speaker002:] [gap] [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] so I think what we can miss out on the buttons we can make up for in design and and how nice it looks. [speaker003:] Sales, [gap]. Okay. [speaker004:] Um, hand-held and portable I think is portamint is important because TFT have just um released um I think is it a a remote control for presentations or uh and a big seven inch big screen, anyway, so um [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah it's like a, yeah. [vocalsound] It's [gap]. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah, no seven inches isn't that big but um anyway um so hand-held and portable and uh m I thought about other functions for TV but as you pointed out people don't actually want that, [speaker003:] Right. [speaker004:] so maybe we forget about that. [speaker003:] And also the company want to keep it stuck to the TV for uh to keep down the production time. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] It's for one TV oh right okay, sure. And so the last thing I thought w which I quickly mentioned in the other one was maybe a bit of a gimmick to set us apart from other people, like glow-in-the-dark [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Exactly. Yeah. [speaker004:] um which [vocalsound] does already e exist but it's not very widely used I don't think. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Easy finder with the a whistle function or something, [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker004:] or rechargeable station because it's a pain when you run out of batteries. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] And I think that, yep, that's it. [speaker003:] That's cool. [speaker001:] So uh, I noticed your talk about speech recognition and whistling, [speaker004:] Okay? Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] and uh I was just curious to know, have we done any research into how many people can whistle? Um, or if [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] is that a function we want in the remote? [speaker004:] Um, I haven't been able to [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Um, do you have trouble whistling? [speaker001:] I don't, but I I know a lot of people do right. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Really? Ooh. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah it just [disfmarker] I mean it has to be a certain kind of whistle too, right? [speaker004:] Mm-hmm, yeah [speaker003:] Yeah, I suppose that's true. [speaker004:] or some sort of voice [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Well I suppo uh you could y you could have the you could have the basically um instead of a whistle if it's got the voice recognition you could have it just, you know, where are you? [gap]. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] That's costly though. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Um a much easier thing is just any loud noise like clapping um, shouting, you know, [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] Hmm. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Sounds good. [speaker001:] uh and then, what would the response be? It beeps back at you or something? [speaker004:] Yeah, something. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Well, uh let me set this up. So I plug it in, press F five? Function F five? [speaker003:] Function F eight for the um the uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Or function F eight? Okay. [speaker004:] Oh you need to twiddle the thingamibobsy thing. [speaker001:] Okay. I think it's [vocalsound] uh just to lock it in. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] It's got it. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Um. [vocalsound] So as the Industrial Designer my job is to take an input from you guys, [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Alright. [speaker001:] um so it's good you went first, [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] and I jotted down some notes as to what are the b needs and uh what kind of novel features we can add to differentiate our product from the others. [speaker003:] Let's remember that. [speaker001:] Um so Raj told us that uh consumers are willing to spend more for fancy products, and um he also mentioned that uh the current products don't always match users' operating behaviour. Um, a lot of the buttons aren't used, and uh [vocalsound] he mentioned that they're not fun to use. And uh a novel feature which uh we just brought up was this this automatic speech recognition feature or noise detection feature for when you lose the remote, [speaker003:] [gap] [speaker001:] there could be a little microphone on it, and any noise over a certain threshold um it'll pick up as a a distress signal um from you and it'll beep back and say you know oh here I am or something of this sort. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. But sure surely that would have to be um sort of specific rather than above a threshold 'cause if you had a loud movie on you're likely to get it beeping back at you. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Oh yeah, yeah, that's true. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Well maybe you could have a um hmm [vocalsound] tha that would be a consideration to take into account yes. Um. [speaker003:] Sorry I didn't mean to derail you there. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah well tha that's uh for later down the road um, and then as for the user interface it should be trendy, um [vocalsound] and not computery, [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] right, so more low tech and not too many buttons. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] So I took these all into consideration and also I have some limitations from the boss. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Right um, and practical limitations which I kinda threw out the window. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] And so I did a little research and unfortunately all I had to work on was our uh our corporate archives of the great products we've made before, [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] which include, you know, um space craft, coffee makers, and bullet trains [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Ah is that what that is? [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Or uh or a high speed train. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Right and having personally worked with all these products uh I have a great deal of experience with uh with industrial design of these. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Well that's cool. If you if you can build space craft you'll have no problem with a remote control, yeah. [speaker001:] Right. So, [speaker004:] Yeah sure. [speaker001:] I figured, just put 'em all together. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] You got a a caffeine powered space shuttle train transport to your TV, and um [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Hmm. [speaker001:] as for the user interface problem, you know, too many buttons. Give it one button [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] and and it's a [disfmarker] you know, for the the cowboy in all of us [gap] [disfmarker] I I'm not quite sure what the the function is there but [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Right okay. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Well I like that design. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah it's a g I mean you could have a you know a [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Is that just switches on the speech recognition and it's entirely speech operated, is it? [speaker001:] Right. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] So I think I I missed the budget thing, it was fifty million Euros? [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker001:] And we gotta sell twenty five of them? [speaker004:] Yeah, [speaker001:] Right. [vocalsound] Okay. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] not a problem. [speaker002:] Fifty million was uh prof [speaker003:] Ah now it's fif fifty million Euros we've gotta uh we've g [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] As a profit. [speaker001:] Oh okay, so I I mixed those numbers. [speaker003:] gotta make profit, so we're making that at twelve and a half Euros a time. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Okay. Well I guess more realistically then, we need a product that's got some kinda nifty outer casing, cheap plastic uh, you know, um that should be just like uh a tenth of the price maybe or less. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] An energy source which'd probably just be uh your regular batteries [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker001:] um, we don't wanna have it [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Would it be possible to have the rechargeable idea? Is that is that gonna mark up a lot? [speaker001:] Uh. [speaker004:] Or a little base station or something, [gap]. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah, yeah, we could do that too. Um, I hadn't thought of that. Yeah. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] That might cost more though, 'cause obviously with batteries we don't need to provide, well we provide the first batteries, but it's more, it's [disfmarker] that's cheaper to just provide batteries. [speaker003:] Yeah, yeah. [speaker001:] Right. [speaker003:] I mean if you think about these base stations now it's essentially just a a lead with a sort of self connecting brake in it, [speaker004:] A battery in it, kinda. [speaker003:] so I don't think it'd up up the price that much. [speaker001:] Right, [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker001:] so so [vocalsound] the unirs the user interface [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker001:] uh the canonical user interface for these would be just a bunch of buttons, but since we're a cutting edge company, we uh of course will have alternatives like uh speech recognition, whistling recognition and rocket power [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Okay. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] behind our product. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Um and lastly the transmission interface is uh, just some engineering thing you don't have to worry about. [speaker003:] Okay. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Um so here's you know, a great schematic that my uh apprentice designer gave me. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Um as you can see the the remote control have parts and those parts look like that and um [vocalsound] you know it's got a little operating procedure that looks something like that. [vocalsound] And I suppose you all know how it works because we've all used it and we wouldn't be in a company designing remote controls if we didn't know what they were so [disfmarker] uh personal preferences, I think uh programmable options which um just require a small amount of memory, uh non volatile memory, just um so the user can put in their favourite channels and maybe their preferred volume settings so that when they turn it on it's not blasting. [speaker004:] Mm. Mm that's a good idea actually I like the programmable options. [speaker002:] Yeah, me too. [speaker001:] Oh okay. And the uh, the bells and whistles that we mentioned you know, they take more budgeting, um more technical uh expenditure of effort [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] and it's also much more likely to not work if if we add these bells and whistles. [speaker003:] Right. [speaker004:] Mm 'kay. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] That's all I got. [speaker003:] 'Kay, thank you very much, um I'll take that back. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Ooh that's tight. [speaker003:] Right, also so um a notice I got not very long before the meeting, so didn't manage to forward it on to you, it is [disfmarker] let's see, I'll find it myself, um [disfmarker] [vocalsound] Ta [speaker001:] Okay, I don't think we need to screw it in. [speaker003:] nah. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Just push it. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] We had that um to dis-include teletext um because it's become outdated, and everybody uses the internet anyway. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] Um, [vocalsound] dunno what Oracle would have to say with that but never mind. Um it's only for the television, which I'm presuming means it's for a specific television, [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker003:] and um instead of colours and sorta colour options, they want corporate colour and slogan somehow implemented in the new design. [speaker004:] Corporate colour. [speaker003:] Yellow. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker001:] Yellow. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] I presume. Um, everything, all their sort of uh you know the uh corporate website and everything's yellow. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] And the logo uh the sort of slogan we put the fa fashion in electronics uh [disfmarker] I don't know exactly how sort of incorpor I mean, I guess if you're going for a sort of globular shape you could kind of have it working its way round it or something. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Uh, where am I? [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Okay, so, we have to decide on which functions we're going to actually have. [speaker004:] 'Kay. [speaker003:] Uh, [vocalsound] now, we had as listed options we had [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] speech recognition potentially, flat screen interface, LCD interface um we also want to limit the number of buttons [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] so we'll pretty much take that one as read. We'll use the the basic functions for a television. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] No teletext. Um [vocalsound] okay hold on. [speaker004:] Although the the danger with that is, it could look a bit cheap. [speaker003:] Not enough buttons you mean? [speaker004:] Yeah. Well [disfmarker] [speaker003:] So sorta strike a balance between a a few and a [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker003:] or it looks like we're just cutting on the um [disfmarker] [speaker004:] On the number of buttons, kind of functions and stuff. [speaker003:] I do however have this from over my head, that they don't want teletext on it. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm, okay. Okay, cool. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Uh maybe Raj you could find out what people would think about that, or maybe they'll send [speaker002:] About cost. [speaker003:] some information about that, about um what people, whether people would require um teletext in a remote [disfmarker] teletext option in a remote control. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker003:] [gap] [vocalsound] Okay um [gap]. So uh I take it your position Arlo is that the bells and whistles we've gotta come up with the [disfmarker] a gimmick but not too complicated a gimmick. [speaker001:] Yeah yeah. [speaker003:] Um so I mean a a the sort of inkling I'm getting from little bits of um web chatter that I'm getting sent is that they're quite interested in a TFT display, interactive display. However that does sound a bit like the more complicated design that rav uh sorry Raj um [vocalsound] said people didn't like. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. [speaker003:] Although I guess if there's a sort of [disfmarker] If you think about standard interfaces that people use already, sort of Windows-style drop down menus or whatever, [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] I think maybe that's a bit, going a bit far [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] but you know like in a basic sense that you could have your basic selection of buttons, and if you hit a sort of menu at the top you have um [vocalsound] it goes to a different selection of buttons, [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] so it sorta keeps it simple. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker003:] Um glow in the dark, is that sort of with a light inside it or is it sort of glow in the dark material? [speaker004:] Um [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Uh. [speaker004:] Glow in the dark material I was thinking. [speaker003:] Okay. So [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Um, so I I guess that would be cheaper than a light I think. [speaker002:] I [disfmarker] Uh may I say something about [gap]? [speaker003:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker002:] Uh actually I think it's really really very important point uh as if we look at the market because people mor fifty percent people they find that the remote controls are often lost somewhere in the remote, in the room. But [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Often lost s was that, [speaker003:] Lost, yeah. [speaker002:] yeah are lost [speaker004:] yeah. [speaker002:] and means they forget where they have kept the remote control last time. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] But if we add speech recognition as well as glow in the dark then both these factors will help their locating the remote control, [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] like if they come and speak something at the remote control uh replies to something something and it glows in the dark. Both these factors uh both these points will help them to locate the where they have kept this remote control, [speaker003:] That's cool. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. [speaker003:] That's cool. [speaker002:] and this will definitely enhance our uh market sales, so we should take it into consideration also. [speaker003:] Okay, cool. Um [speaker001:] Well hmm. [speaker003:] speech recognition I take it [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Oh it's [disfmarker] [speaker003:] I don't, I've [disfmarker] I know of no products um that use speech recognition well. [speaker001:] They're act there there was a remote control that came out two years ago that had a [disfmarker] some basic speech recognition on it. You could programme it with your channels and then you say you know like uh BBC one and it goes to that channel. [speaker003:] Really? [speaker001:] Yeah, it didn't work very well though because of this noise interference problem. [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] They mentioned you know if the television says you are listening to BBC one [gap]. [speaker003:] Yeah, or a yeah an advert an advert for BBC two on BBC one'll switch the channel for you kinda thing. [speaker004:] [gap] [speaker001:] Right, right, and so there was a lot of this, you'd be watching the TV and then all of a sudden it'd it'd pick up a noise and turn it off or you know or turn the volume off or something, [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker004:] 'Kay. [speaker001:] but if you can work around that that noise problem [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Uh-huh. [speaker004:] Well what about [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] this might get a bit too expensive actually, but what about um something that's built into the TV um that you can press and it'll send out a little signal you know like the ones that we can't hear or [vocalsound] something [speaker003:] Ah, that's a good idea. [speaker001:] [gap] [speaker004:] um that that will activate the remote control starts to beep. [speaker001:] Right. [speaker003:] So like a kind of backwards remote from the telly. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] If you find if y [speaker001:] Right and then it would do just you know, uh subtractive kind of cancellation of the noise. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] What you could do then would be you have uh [vocalsound] a remote controlled by the TV speaker, or not a remo I'm sorry, a microphone by the TV speaker and a transmitter there that sends back to your remote, 'cause you can't um expect uh the the television manufacturers to to put that feature into their TVs. [speaker004:] Mm. Yeah, that's the only thing, yeah. [speaker001:] But yeah, then you have like the little se separate module by the TV speaker [speaker003:] That we should just stick on, yeah. [speaker004:] That comes with our remote control. [speaker001:] which [disfmarker] Right, [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] and then the remote control would know um what's being produced by the television. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] And that's a sort of basic RF kind of frequency so it'll be cheap. [speaker001:] Right, right. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Right, right. Um. [vocalsound] Yeah that's certainly possible then an another thing was about this losing the remote and trying to find it again. If you do have this sorta speech interface to it, you don't even need to find it. You just say you know, um whatever you whatever you want the remote for, you know to change the channel or to uh turn the TV on and off, you just shout your command to it and it would do it for you if it's within you know, within hearing range. [speaker003:] Uh-huh. [speaker001:] And uh you know it could be somewhere in the room y that you've no idea where it is and it would still do its job. [speaker004:] That could also be built into the TV though, which might make our remote control a bit obsolete. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker001:] Well, hopefully we're uh we're ahead of the curve. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] It might do us out of a job. [speaker004:] Yeah, okay. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Um [disfmarker] Okay. [vocalsound] I like the whole sort of remote feedback thing. Um so I think rather than [disfmarker] and that also kind of takes out the speech recognition in terms of the interference of it not working very well and things like that, [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker001:] Hmm. [speaker004:] And the expense. [speaker003:] so I th yeah and expense and the time. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] So I think if we're going to go [disfmarker] well I mean like the thing about the [disfmarker] there's the problem with the TFT or the LCD kind of thing is if you're also wanting the the kind of uh organic globby sort of feeling to it then you might have trouble incorporating the screen. [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker003:] Um, but I guess not I thin we'll just we'll just pretend that's not a problem. Um [vocalsound] [vocalsound] uh [vocalsound] and how are you about the glow in the dark material? Is that [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Um. [speaker004:] Maybe not even all of it 'cause we said um colours and fashion w were important so maybe um just like a little l line that's kind of around the outside and then you can make the rest a different colour. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker003:] Contrast contra well. [speaker001:] Yeah, no th the material's cheap but it's just uh the the glow in the dark material needs some light to charge it you know, [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] and then uh if you're, if you're sitting in the dark for too long it uh it won't glow any more. [speaker003:] Yeah, okay. So if it's dow it's d uh yeah. Or if it's down under the couch cushions [speaker001:] Right. [speaker003:] um which is where I usually find mine. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Right. [speaker003:] Um [vocalsound] [disfmarker] Okay, well we can use [disfmarker] we can still use the glow in the dark as a gimmick essentially, [speaker004:] Yeah, 'cause what I thought, main [disfmarker] [speaker003:] um if we're gonna have to [disfmarker] if we're gonna have the logo on as well, bright yellow logo in our our um slogan. [speaker004:] Slogan, yeah. [speaker003:] Uh then you know they're gonna be fairly brightly coloured anyway, and we can have sort of a a a trimming as well, of the glow in the dark material, just as gimmickyness. [speaker004:] Right. Mm-hmm. 'Cause yeah, that w more than finding it, that was more like you know if you're watching a film in the dark, you can um still see the remote control. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] Alright, so n sorta if if if we're gon if we're gonna go with the idea of um [vocalsound] uh of feedback, sort of remote finder, then that kinda stuffs that one out then. [speaker004:] That was more of a a gimmick. [speaker003:] Do you think? [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker003:] Uh it makes it fairly unnecessary then. [speaker004:] Yeah, unnecessary. Yeah. [speaker003:] Okay. Um, okay so scratch that. Uh so we've got do we want to go with the TFT idea or the [disfmarker] is that far too expensive? [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Um yeah we're getting a lot of features now, I I think [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Well I mean I think I think the sort of find the finder things I mean it's uh I could probably write the circuit diagram for that myself. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Um [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Well, I think a consideration too is that these uh remotes get abused a lot, you know they get thrown around, [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker001:] there's a good chance the the TFT screen would break or uh get damaged. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] They're pretty fragile. [speaker004:] So is that one of our definite requirements that they wa that it needs a TFT screen? [speaker003:] Okay. Um no, I mean [gap] that was going on ravs uh Raj's sort of um marketing research I guess. Um [vocalsound] [disfmarker] Uh [disfmarker] So we'll stick with sort of programmability um for the buttons that we do have. Um. [gap] So that's sort of included in your sub-module kind of stuff, um [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah mm. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Uh [vocalsound] you were finding out about teletext. If you could find out that uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah. Totally, it takes cheap speech recognition, she [disfmarker] they wi [speaker003:] Um I think we're gonna scratch the speech recognition as a bit of a [speaker001:] Oh. [speaker003:] um expensive, [speaker004:] Yeah you think so? [speaker003:] no? [speaker001:] Oh no it's it's much cheaper than the TFT, it's just a microphone and some some integrated circuits. [speaker003:] Oh right, okay. Is it not the circuits that cost [disfmarker] [speaker001:] And it'd it'd be a small vocabulary speech recognition system, like a [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Oh right, okay. [speaker001:] [gap] [speaker003:] Uh well that kind of takes back the RF [vocalsound] the RF remote sort of idea as well. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Um. [vocalsound] Five minutes. Okay. Decisions. Uh, votes, let's vote. Who wants TFT? No-one does. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Excellent, so we'll go with speech recognition, yeah? [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm, that's cool. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] Um, speech recognition, limited buttons, organic design. [speaker004:] Um [speaker003:] And what else was I thinking of that I haven't written down and therefore fallen out my head, programmability. [speaker002:] Glow in dark. [speaker003:] Uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] if it's not too expensive s I think it's a good gimmick. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Uh o okay. [speaker001:] Yeah. [gap] [speaker003:] And also, integrating the, remember to integrate the logo and the s slogan. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] Okay, so. Um can you put all these reports in the project documents folder if they're not already in there as well. So, it just helps me summarize them. [speaker001:] Yeah yeah. [speaker002:] Here? Sure. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] And um I'll put any [disfmarker] [gap] I'm I'm putting anything I do in there anyway, so uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] And where is it sorry? [speaker003:] Uh pro uh project documents. On [speaker001:] [vocalsound] So it should be when you save [speaker003:] AMI scenario controller. [speaker001:] on your desktop, so it goes save as, or [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Oh [gap]. [speaker002:] Uh it is in shared documents? [speaker001:] And then uh hit that little folder up thing again. [speaker003:] Where am I? [speaker002:] Projoct uh projector. [speaker003:] Project documents, yeah, it's on your desktop as well. [speaker001:] Again. All the way to the top, yeah that's up to desktop. Right and then project documents. [speaker004:] Okay, cool. [speaker002:] Hmm. It is not giving anything. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Shared documents. [speaker003:] And I will tr [gap] getting strings of um information, I'll try and forward any specific to anybody in particular, as soon as I get them now, rather than [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [gap] [speaker003:] I was about to sort of tell you about the changes before the meeting, and then the meeting turned up, so [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker001:] Mm. Did you get my email? [speaker003:] I did [gap]. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Okay. [vocalsound] Just making sure. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Okay. [vocalsound] What I thought as well about the material is um maybe not this kind of material, but maybe more like um this kind of rubbery material, [speaker003:] So [disfmarker] [speaker004:] it's a bit more bouncy, like you said they get chucked around a lot. Um, a bit more [vocalsound] durable and that can also be ergonomic [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker004:] and it kind of feels a bit different from all the other remote controls. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker004:] The rubber rather than [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] More sort of um flesh-like than plasticky sort of. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Wow. [speaker002:] Um but we have to take care like [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] But we have to take care of our children also if they [disfmarker] [vocalsound] means if children catch hold of your or if they chew it it shouldn't be too harmful. So, whatever material we use it should be [disfmarker] yeah. [speaker003:] Oh no, ethics, [vocalsound] that's gonna cost us money. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] So [vocalsound] we have to safety point of view also, we have to take care. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Okay, safety. [speaker001:] [gap] [speaker004:] Oh I think wi with the more organic shape of it it won't be as [disfmarker] it won't as have many sharp corners as that, so that's something good, um [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] I dunno, I mean [disfmarker] [speaker003:] It sme [vocalsound] [speaker001:] We could go comp yeah. [speaker003:] smells good for children. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] We could go completely out of the box and make the thing a big red ball foam ball. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] And it's got the thing on the inside. And there's no buttons at all, it's always on, and just yell at it, and it works. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] That's a good idea. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] That sounds, [speaker001:] And then ch children will love it. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] yeah it's gonna have to be it's gonna be have a big yellow foam ball, yeah, sorry. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Interesting. [speaker001:] Oh yellow, yellow ball. Right. [speaker004:] Yeah, d with the colour, um does it have to be all yellow, do you know? [speaker003:] Please God no. Um. Well, I wouldn't th I mean, [speaker004:] No. [speaker003:] my reaction to an all-yellow remote control wouldn't be anything other than horror, so [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] I think just having it [speaker002:] Small logo with the like a small yellow strip or y yellow [gap] with the logo in it. [speaker004:] Having a little bit. [speaker003:] surrounding the logo. [speaker004:] Okay cool. Mm mm. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm, okay. Cool. [speaker003:] And I'll see if I can argue with boss about putting the [disfmarker] what was it? We put [vocalsound] we put fashion into [disfmarker] Whoops, it's not working. Can't believe I've forgotten it [gap]. We put the fashion in electronics [speaker004:] Oh yeah, that's a good one that. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] I bet that'll catch on well. [speaker004:] Yeah so. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Okay, any last [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] worries, queries? [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Twelve thirty. [speaker003:] Okay. [vocalsound] S s [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Hmm. [speaker003:] I know what you're thinking. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Okay then, lunchtime, yay. [speaker002:] That's good. [speaker003:] Okay, that felt a bit more like a [disfmarker] something with order and and reason to it than the last one. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] This is quite fun actually. [speaker004:] Wow. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker004:] Has anybo oh. [speaker003:] I really don't [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Has anybody pressed okay, it vibrates. It's pretty cool. [speaker003:] Yeah, yeah. [speaker001:] Yep. [speaker002:] Check here. [speaker003:] Wow you've [gap] your first page. I was just writing really big. [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah, got small writing. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yeah I've been using up the pages. [speaker004:] I don't wanna waste it. [speaker003:] I've finished the meeting now. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Another questionnaire. [speaker003:] Oh, everybody needs k questionnaire. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound]

[speaker001:] Okay. Uh door is closed. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Well, let's begin. Because if we have as much time as the last uh meeting, we'll have to hurry up. [speaker004:] I'm listening. Right. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Um well I'll start with the presentation again, the agenda. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Great. [speaker001:] Yo. So. [vocalsound] [vocalsound] Uh [disfmarker] [vocalsound] This one I think. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Uh yeah. Well alright. Um well, I'll show you the notes. It's not as uh interesting as it should be [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] because we just uh had the meeting, but I'll show them. We'll get your presentations again on the conceptual design. Um [disfmarker] Then we'll have to dec decide about the control, the remote control concepts. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] I've put a f uh a file in the project management folder, which says exactly uh what kind of decisions we should take. So [vocalsound] this time we exactly know what to decide about. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Alright, great. [speaker001:] And then we'll close again. [speaker003:] Alright. [speaker001:] Uh [disfmarker] Well these are some examples, but we'll talk about them later. We'll [vocalsound] first look at your uh presentations. Alright? [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Walter will uh start again this time? [speaker004:] Yeah, great. [speaker001:] Yo. [speaker004:] Alright, Trendwatch. [speaker001:] 'Kay. [speaker004:] [gap] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Right. I will speak about uh latest trends trends, latest fashion updates, and uh things we must not do. [speaker001:] 'Kay. [speaker004:] Uh the trends. [vocalsound] It's very important that uh the control is fancy looking and good uh feeling. Uh this because of our last model was very functional, but [vocalsound] it uh people didn't like that, so our new mo model must be very good-looking. That's uh something you uh have to take a look at. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. Alright. [speaker004:] And uh the feeling has to be very great. Also the menus and things like that they have to they have to feel great. [speaker003:] Alright. [speaker004:] Um there's a minus uh two times here, because this is the most important point. This is uh two times as less important, [speaker001:] Less. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] and uh same for this one. [vocalsound] Um, technological technological innovations, that's uh regarded very highly too. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Uh such as an uh LCD screen, uh speech uh acknowledgement, as we uh talked about earlier. [speaker001:] Well, yeah. [speaker004:] So we have to have uh something like that, like we uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] LCD and our uh our fronts. [speaker004:] Right. [vocalsound] Uh the last point is easy to use. Well I think that uh speaks for s for itself. I don't know who's uh who's going to look at that. [speaker003:] Easy to use? [speaker001:] Well, easy to use uh s is a bit uh contradictionary with the first uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah? [speaker003:] I think that's your ta [speaker002:] [gap] [speaker001:] Functional is not an issue, and then easy to use. [speaker004:] Yeah, I know. [speaker001:] Well we have to choose one of them. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] I think we have to go for the first one. [speaker001:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] It's the most important one. [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker004:] So [gap] we have to uh take that one. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] So it it [vocalsound] it isn't very important that [vocalsound] that it works easy. [speaker002:] Well something fancy looking can be can be easy to use. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] But [vocalsound] it has to look great. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah. We'll we'll look at uh [gap]. [speaker004:] We'll see. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] You [disfmarker] Yeah. Yeah, yeah, you can make a very complicated uh uh remote anyway, so ease of use [disfmarker] [vocalsound] It's not a very comp complicated device. [speaker004:] Yeah, right. But the most important thing is that it looks great and people say [gap] wow, that's real great uh great concept. [speaker003:] Alright. [speaker001:] 'Kay. [speaker004:] Alright. Uh these are the new colours of this year. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] So it must be very bright, very colourful. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] People like this. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] So we we have to think uh in this direction. So i set your mind to it. [speaker001:] So [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Well [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Findings? Fashion update? Fruit and vegetables are cool. I am told. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Uh you think? [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] The group we are targeting is uh very pleased with fruit and vegetables. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] So [vocalsound] we we we might cons consider in front of uh in in that sort of uh way. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah, well [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Bananas. [speaker004:] Uh furthermore uh material, that's your part, should be very strong. I was thinking of something like uh [vocalsound] well uh iron plate over it, maybe in a colour or something, [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker004:] that looks so f really flashy [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] but it it is also strong. [speaker003:] [gap] [speaker004:] And that's uh also for the younger public. [speaker001:] B Well the the handy thing about our fronts is that we can follow these trends e ev every year. Th this year it's fruits but next year it's it's something totally different. [speaker004:] Yeah, that's great. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] But I think we can all make the the fronts of titanium or something uh really thin. [speaker001:] Yes. [speaker004:] So it looks very heavy but you can still uh use it very easily. [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker001:] Yep, alright. [speaker004:] Well, the don'ts. Older people like dark colours and simple shapes. Well we don't want uh older people, we want young people. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [gap] [speaker004:] So uh we're gonna turn that around. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] We're gonna have real uh cool shapes and lots of colours. [speaker003:] Alright. [speaker004:] Right? [speaker001:] Wood is popular. Aha. [speaker004:] Okay. We don't want wood. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yeah yeah yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah, among the old people, yeah. [speaker004:] Old people. So, that's it for me. [speaker001:] Alright. Nice, uh well [gap] show us. [speaker003:] Right, I am going to tell you something about the components design. Uh again I have uh put up the specification properties. This uh so um uh the different uh components of the of of the device. And the materials? Um I have heard several things, so I uh I'll have to change that on the way. But uh the case? Uh I suggested uh in the previous meeting hard plastic. But uh as you indicated uh it should be strong. [speaker004:] Yeah, we should change that. [speaker003:] It should feel strong. So maybe plastic is not uh sufficient. We should move to uh something [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Well maybe it it it is, but it doesn't look strong. So maybe [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Well yeah. Y Hard plastic i is of course uh pretty pretty tough, but it doesn't have a really really tough look. So [disfmarker] [speaker004:] No no no. [speaker001:] But we still have to look at our price of course. Because uh if we want an LCD uh window etcetera uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah. Also [disfmarker] Yeah. Mm-hmm. But we'll return to that. [speaker001:] Yeah? [speaker003:] Uh the buttons of course rubber, I think everyone agrees. And electrical cables, copper is all pretty basic stuff. The chips made of silicon, I guess. I think that's the best uh way to do it. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] And infra infrared l LED is uh just a simple bulb. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Then I've uh [vocalsound] had a few findings, made a few findings. Uh the target audience product style. Um it's uh um generally the case that uh senior and wealthy people above uh forty five years old uh like, as you said, uh particularly the traditional materials as such as wood and materials such as that. They also like straightforward shapes and luxurious style. But of course that's not our uh things this. So this is things we must not do. [speaker001:] Yes. [speaker003:] And then we have uh young uh and dynamic uh people, which is of course our uh group, the people we aim at. Um under forty five years old. Uh they like soft materials uh with primary colours. Soft materials is of course uh agai again a bit a contradiction with uh our uh material choice of what you said, that uh it should be hard an and and and and strong looking. [speaker004:] Mm. Yeah. [speaker003:] But they like soft materials, [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] uh so we might uh we have to consider that. And also they like curved round shapes. So not uh too formal like like uh the older people want. And if uh also a finding but not very ap applicable here, that sports and gaming devices such as uh discmans for jogging and that those kind of devices, gaming devices, should define the characteristics of the device. But uh since we don't have a really a sports or gaming device, so we don't really have to consider that. [speaker001:] Sports uh, they're uh that uh are accessible on on your LCD uh window uh [speaker002:] Soccer fronts. [vocalsound] Mm. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [disfmarker] Huh? [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker001:] That's nice. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Hmm. [speaker003:] Well I also have um several examples of uh styles, [speaker001:] All the [gap] results? [speaker004:] We keep coming back to the fronts. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] so you can get a clear picture of uh what I mean. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Uh [vocalsound] these are the basic uh older older peoples' stuff. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] It was not very uh interesting uh, very classical looking, but that's n that's not what we want. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [vocalsound] Nai. Uh no. [speaker003:] We have these kind of things. [speaker002:] Hmm. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Fruity. [vocalsound] Fruity. [speaker003:] I don't know what exactly they are. It looks like [disfmarker] Well you know uh you recognise the shapes, it's very primary colours, uh bright colours and uh round shapes. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] You also uh [vocalsound] see uh this device, it's not very round and [disfmarker] Fruity of course. Yeah, it uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] It's t terrible. [speaker003:] That's true. [speaker001:] Alright. [speaker003:] And uh well round shapes, primary colours. You can see it all here. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] And of course uh this famous device. [speaker001:] Hmm? [speaker003:] I think as you know something uh some devices like this. [speaker001:] Yeah, alright. [speaker003:] So to give you an idea of uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Well it's got a strong look, this. Yeah. [speaker003:] This has a strong look. Although it's plastic, it's it's grey to to to give it iron look. [speaker004:] Yeah, it still has a strong look. [speaker001:] Yeah. And it's round. [speaker003:] That's uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] But then you are losing your fruity colours. [speaker003:] Yeah. Well we have to make a [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Well you can make th th th that middle ring can you you can make another colour. [speaker004:] That's true. [speaker001:] So uh those kind of things you can you can combine. [speaker003:] Well we can't really make a round uh a round remote control. I don't think that's very practical, but [disfmarker] But uh it's important to to uh to think about the colour. [speaker001:] No, it isn't. Okay. [speaker003:] Because if we make it grey or or silvery looking, it it does make it a lot more uh does make it looking a lot more stronger. [speaker004:] Yeah but the [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yes. [speaker003:] 'Cause if you look at this, it it doesn't look very very strong, becau But this is plastic, and and this too, but [disfmarker] [speaker004:] But it doesn't have to look strong. The the results are, the feel of the material is expected to be strongy. [speaker003:] The feel? [speaker004:] The feel. [speaker003:] Uh alright. Well [disfmarker] [speaker001:] So, if you ti [speaker002:] And it it doesn't have to be strong, also. [speaker001:] Well [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Nah yeah the feel [disfmarker] [speaker001:] You you [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Only the feel. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Maybe you should have uh some some coloured titanium or something. So it it looks pretty but it feels strong. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Right. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Oh. [speaker004:] I agree. [speaker003:] And I [disfmarker] Then I have some more findings. Um [vocalsound] uh about the energy energy source of the of the device, uh I uh suggest uh the basic battery. I uh got some other um uh uh energy sources of course. But solar energy is not very practical inside a house, because you don't have a have a lot of uh sun. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] And uh kinetic and and and dynamos are are not very practical, I think, for uh for a simple remote, [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] that's a bit, oh, that's a bit uh [disfmarker] That's a bit uh much. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [gap] No titanium. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] And I also suggest uh as a shape uh a double curved case. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Uh the disadvantage of that that you can use no titanium. That that's the information I received. If you use the curved case, uh a curved case, double curved then you can't use titanium. [speaker001:] What do you exactly mean with double curved? [speaker003:] Now uh this uh to give it a more modern look. [speaker002:] [gap] [speaker003:] And uh [vocalsound] now the the shape, yeah, [gap] a curved case. Um yeah I think uh sort of triangle-shaped bottom or something. Uh [gap] a more modern look not plain, long box style, but [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] I dunno. [speaker001:] Double curved? [speaker003:] [vocalsound] I'll draw it, [speaker002:] Yeah. Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] It it mean [disfmarker] [speaker003:] but maybe later. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah, well okay. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] And it makes uh it gives it a more u user friendly shape, than if you have uh [gap]. Um anyway [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Um f as uh for the buttons, simple push buttons. No uh otherwi uh no um difficult scroll things or some uh things like that, because it makes more complex and expensive. And, uh as we agreed, we don't use a speaker or a sensor or um [vocalsound] uh speak uh speech uh controlled [vocalsound] device. [speaker004:] Yeah right. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Because it makes it also more complex and expensive. But we do use an LCD screen, so we uh we do have to consider uh of we have to use a more advanced chip, which is more complex and expensive. But [disfmarker] It's worth the trouble I think, [speaker001:] Well [disfmarker] [speaker002:] The buttons can be made of an uh a soft material. [speaker003:] because [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Because people like that. [speaker001:] This soft material thing from uh [disfmarker] Yeah. [speaker003:] Uh rubber is a soft material, I guess. [speaker004:] Yeah. Right. [speaker003:] Uh soft enough. [speaker002:] Yeah. Right. Yeah. [speaker003:] So that's uh basically what I want to talk about. [speaker001:] Alright. Okay. We will take that. And then uh Mike? Okay. [speaker002:] Yeah. Well um nah the method um we will um include the buttons as we discussed uh earlier. Um an LCD s screen will be implemented. Um we must decide where, this meeting. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Um there are new developments in speech recognition um systems, [vocalsound] um and they are already being uh used on uh coffee machines. And um well they're cheap, so we could use them now. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Oh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Um it's not really speech recognition, [speaker001:] That's interesting. [speaker002:] it's more um like you can um talk to the chip, uh record the message and record an answer, and then once you uh talk to the remote, then um he will a answer with the the prerecorded message that you left. So if I say hi Mike, and you have recorded uh hi Mike back, then you will get that. [speaker003:] Oh, yeah, I understand. Yeah. [speaker004:] Oh okay. [gap] [speaker001:] Okay. But you can also say that, when you say something, it does some function. [speaker004:] Right. [speaker002:] No it doesn't does not do anything. [speaker004:] No. [speaker001:] Oh. [speaker002:] But i it's just a [disfmarker] [speaker001:] That's a bit uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] But that that makes it cheap. It's [vocalsound] it's just a an extra function, [speaker003:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yeah it's it's cheap. [speaker001:] Yes. I understand. [speaker004:] and it's cheap. [speaker001:] But [vocalsound] it has no functionality for our remote at all. [speaker004:] No but [vocalsound] [disfmarker] [speaker002:] No but that's the gadget they want, or the gimmicks. [speaker004:] Yeah, right. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] But it it's n nice for young people. [speaker004:] Young people love them. [speaker002:] Yes, we we should really uh include that one, I think. Um [disfmarker] [speaker003:] They like gadgets. [speaker004:] Yeah, ple [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Right. [speaker003:] If it's cheap. Yeah. [speaker001:] Hmm. [speaker002:] Well, as I said uh earlier I think the uh LCD screen should be uh positioned at the lower end of the remote. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Um the buttons for screen width and general settings and [gap] uh and that kind of stuff [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] um we can also do let that kind of functions um be shown in the LCD screen, uh instead of uh extra buttons. [speaker001:] So you put a menu in the LCD? [speaker002:] I think young people and yeah w well every user would like that. Um the buttons um should be positioned uh positioned the same way as they are on a, well, conventional remote, I think. For the learnability and uh well to keep it recognisable. A voice recognition can be uh implemented. And uh I drew an example, [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] but it did not work quite the well uh the way I wanted it to do. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Alright. [speaker003:] Can you draw it now of uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] How [disfmarker] How [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Hmm? [speaker003:] Can you draw it now? [speaker001:] Ah. [speaker002:] Well I have the [disfmarker] I can draw it again, and I know what I did wrong. I didn't tick the note bo box in the [gap]. Um [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Mm. Alright. [speaker004:] How do you uh uh give input to the menu on the LCD screen? [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Um with the uh the up and down and and well buttons and the [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Alright. So you have a menu button, and then you can go up and down. [speaker002:] Well I will draw what I had drawn on the screen. [speaker001:] But then we should also have an uh an Okay button. [speaker004:] Yeah right. [speaker002:] Yes. [vocalsound] Um I shall draw this. If it uh works. [speaker003:] [gap] button, yeah. [speaker001:] Just uh [disfmarker] [vocalsound] There is already a blank. Yes? So [disfmarker] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Mm so have I. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Nah. [speaker004:] [gap]. [gap] You have to push hard. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [gap] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] I suggest a banana shape. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Because of the fruity uh fashion. [speaker004:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker001:] No m Next year that's out. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yellow and [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah alright, yeah. Just a hunch. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Well these little buttons are a bit difficult to uh draw uh correct. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Those are the the cha the channel buttons of course? [speaker002:] Yeah just uh the numbers. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] And then below is the LCD screen? [gap] [speaker002:] These these will be bigger in the the real design. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Alright, yeah. [speaker002:] This must be the Okay button used to uh interact with the LCD screen. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] And with this you can uh, yes, go to through the menus [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] and that can Um the video button should be uh an apart button, [speaker004:] You've [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yes. [speaker002:] because you want it to uh t, yeah, to use it fast within one uh click. [speaker004:] Right. [speaker001:] And what's the menu button? [speaker004:] And you you need a you need a speaker. [speaker002:] Um it's [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] For the [disfmarker] [gap] [speaker002:] Hmm? This button can also be the Menu button, we use in the menus [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] But how did [disfmarker] How do you get out of the menu then? Yeah. [speaker002:] Well we we can add another button here, but [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Maybe I you could j just do an an exit with Okay. Uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Uh by pe pressing the menu button again. By pressing the menu button again, you go uh out. [speaker004:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] It's usual the the the d kind of the way it works. [speaker001:] Yes, well but bec because when you [vocalsound] push Menu you get in, [speaker003:] Yeah? Yeah? [speaker001:] and then you have to push Okay when you get to a choice. [speaker002:] Ah right. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Well you you [disfmarker] [speaker003:] But you can men you can press menu again to get out. [speaker001:] Well that's also the Okay button. That's you you should have uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] No no, [speaker003:] No. [speaker002:] we we we should uh add uh a extra Menu button and this the Okay button. [speaker001:] Or you can put in the LCD's uh window an option Get Out. [speaker004:] Exit. [speaker001:] Exit [gap]. [speaker002:] Ah once you have an extra Menu button, you don't need that that extra option. [speaker001:] Well, it's just a choice. [speaker002:] You have uh redundancy. [speaker004:] But we need a we need a a recording recording button for the speech uh part. [speaker003:] [gap] [speaker004:] Or don't [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah, if we decide to uh to implement that, maybe we should. [speaker003:] Why would you put it uh then, and where is the recording uh the microphone? Where would you put it? [speaker002:] Well they that could be anywhere. That's very small. It could be uh down here. [speaker003:] Uh-huh. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Um. Well, not here. I [vocalsound] yeah I suggest here. But that's just a little [vocalsound] gap. Yeah. [speaker004:] Right, and spea speaker at the back, or something. [speaker003:] Microphone, yeah. [speaker002:] Well the speaker and the microphone, I think, are the same uh little hole thingy. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yeah I understand. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Alright. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker003:] Uh but uh we could uh d do, but it's perhaps more expensive, uh the speaker on the back or something. [speaker002:] Well i Um there are a all already being implemented in in coffee machines, so they won't be uh very expensive. But [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Huh? [speaker003:] Alright. [speaker004:] Alright. [speaker001:] Yeah? Okay. [speaker002:] This is my suggested design. [speaker001:] Well, okay, alright. [speaker002:] Um [disfmarker] Yes. [speaker001:] Um then let's have a look at the decisions we are going to have to make. [speaker002:] And oh I think as you can see so, the LCD screen does look better uh at the lower end, or at the bottom. [speaker001:] I'd [disfmarker] I agree. [speaker004:] Yeah, fine. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] But [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Fine. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Move on. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Well yeah yeah yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Oh, um I had some uh examples. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] I can live with it. [speaker002:] You can uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yes? [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] But [disfmarker] I did not like it very much, but [disfmarker] Well these are quite obvious, very ugly remote. [vocalsound] Um [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Too big. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] They do they don't look fruity enough. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Nei They're n they're not trendy. [speaker002:] No, well th [speaker001:] They're all black. [speaker002:] Yeah. Well not all. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Hey, that one I like. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Uh this is for children but [vocalsound] th [speaker003:] Tho Yeah those [disfmarker] [speaker004:] It doesn't look strong. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] No. [speaker001:] No. [speaker003:] But it doesn't uh the [disfmarker] [speaker002:] W but with the colours i it's a bit the way we're going to. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] The remote. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah right. [speaker003:] Yeah, ok Yeah. [speaker002:] Well this is a terrible [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Terrible. [speaker004:] This is just crazy. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] But it it must not look too childish of course huh? [speaker001:] It's it's all too much buttons. [speaker002:] Um this looks [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Too many buttons. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] That's [disfmarker] [speaker002:] This uh these are the LCD screens. I think we should, if it's um possible, uh one with colours, but [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Nah th It's too expensive. [speaker002:] I don't know uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Well, that's too expensive I think. [speaker002:] Too expensive? [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Alright. Well [disfmarker] Nah. [speaker003:] But it [disfmarker] Yeah. [gap] [speaker001:] Alright. Yeah. Okay. [speaker002:] Ha, even more. N [speaker001:] Huh. Mm no. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] But are we going for a strange uh form? [speaker001:] 'Kay. No, not very strange. [speaker004:] 'Cause people like that. [speaker003:] Not not too strange. No. [speaker004:] Not too strange. You can make the the underside, you can make it more round, where the LCD is. [speaker001:] It still has t Yes. Th a a kind of bridge. So it f falls over the hand. [speaker004:] I dunno if you know the No Nokia telephone, with uh the round uh thing at at the bottoms, s something like that. [speaker002:] Well [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah? Yeah? Yeah. [speaker004:] You know? [gap] [speaker001:] Well I have at home [vocalsound] a remote with a bridge. It's just a half round half half circle at [disfmarker] And then it falls exactly over the hand, and that's very nice. That's [disfmarker] It feels comfortable. [speaker004:] Yeah, but people like something uh new you know. [speaker003:] Exotic yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah, different. [speaker003:] We have t Yeah, yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] I will design it, we design it later. [speaker004:] Y yis [speaker003:] So we'll get to that later I guess. [speaker004:] Alright. Great. [speaker001:] Yeah, alright. Um where did I put it? [speaker003:] The specific shape. The [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Um conceptual phase, I think this is it. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] I got this from our friends. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] So [disfmarker] [vocalsound] Uh yeah the conceptual design. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Our sources. [speaker001:] These are a few examples which we have to decide about. All the the materials from the case, uh the electric cable that's all your uh your side of the story. Um [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Your bag. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yeah. Um now from the user interface, your uh package? [vocalsound] Um where [disfmarker] No well, that's more like the buttons where they have to come. And um [disfmarker] B a bit of, yeah well, a bit of uh design. [speaker002:] Yeah, this is what we've just done. Right? [speaker003:] But uh we should decide now. [speaker001:] Yes, but we have to decide about these now. [speaker002:] Ah right. [speaker004:] Yeah. Materials are the most, most impor [speaker001:] And uh the trend-watching. So as you said, fruity is in, well [gap] sells good. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Wow. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Uh these things. [speaker003:] So we have to uh put it in one uh document. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Uh yes. Um so if we uh go through them [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Copy paste uh this story into a into a Word document, and then uh put the answers after the subjects. [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Not everything. [speaker003:] Well we have to decide all these things? [speaker002:] Yeah but [vocalsound] all these examples are uh of a coffee machine. [speaker001:] Yeah well uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] W we can uh override them? [speaker001:] Why should I uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] So [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Well a case? Uh that's me. Uh I suggest [disfmarker] Well what do I suggest actually? [vocalsound] [speaker001:] What what kind of properties should it have? [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Uh s solid, [speaker001:] Well we just listened. [speaker002:] I think we [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] yeah. Yeah. [speaker002:] Why don't we um use uh titanium or or a hard, yeah, some kind of metal for the uh the the whole remote except the front. [speaker004:] Do you know the new uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] That [disfmarker] Just like um most cell phones are. [speaker003:] Yeah, I understand. [speaker004:] No [vocalsound] no [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yeah. So we have titanium. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] The front is the most important. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yeah but the non-removable elements of the of the remote, so not the front, could be titanium, to give that uh strong look. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] You know what? [speaker003:] And then the front is made of plastic. And you can put that on and off, and switch it. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] But the feel of plastic isn't strong. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] No but you have titanium of course. [speaker002:] No but you you have this [disfmarker] Yeah. [speaker003:] Uh you have the best of both worlds. [speaker004:] Yeah alright, alright. 'Kay. [speaker002:] Yeah, you have the re remote in your hand like this. So you feel titanium. [gap] [speaker003:] And of course, yeah, you have the the the plastic front end. But you also have the titanium. [speaker004:] Yeah. [vocalsound] Fronts are are cheaper than when they're from plas [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah of course, but yeah [vocalsound] you have to make a decision. [speaker002:] And I don't know if you can make steel just any way you want it to. [speaker004:] Yeah, but it it's expensive. [speaker003:] I guess so. Uh titanium I sh I think uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Bendable. [speaker003:] Huh? [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Bendable. [speaker003:] Well, well the [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Well any colour [gap] [disfmarker] [speaker003:] According to my sources, uh it's it's totally possible to make an entire uh uh uh [disfmarker] Titanium is available, and uh we can uh make uh an entire remote out of it, if we want. [speaker002:] Yeah, then you you paint it in the colour you want it. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker002:] The plastic is is the colour you want it. [speaker004:] Paint spray. [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker004:] Yeah alright. [speaker002:] So [gap] [disfmarker] Yeah. [speaker004:] So, [speaker001:] Alright. [speaker004:] we're going for a titanium back and a plastic front? [speaker001:] I've uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah, [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker003:] I think that's a nice trade-off. [speaker001:] Titanium back, plastic front. Okay. Um well I am going to put it in here, uh because we can uh look. [speaker004:] Yeah, great. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] I [disfmarker] Um solid feel and trendy look. [speaker003:] Alright. [speaker001:] So material, um hard plastic [speaker003:] Yeah, for the front [speaker001:] for the front? [speaker003:] and then titanium for the back. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] For the non-removable uh part. [speaker004:] But then you have the problem, when you have a titanium back, you can't switch it. When you want an other colour on the front, it doesn't match. [speaker003:] Well but [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] You know? [speaker002:] Well titanium is neutral. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] The titan titanium isn't isn't v very [disfmarker] Yeah, i it doesn't uh [vocalsound] curves. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] I understand. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] No uh I nei. [vocalsound] Titanium is very [disfmarker] No no no, but you know b Titanium is very basic colour, [speaker004:] Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. [speaker003:] and it doesn't really matter if we have a purple front on it or a orange front. [speaker002:] Hmm. Yeah. [speaker004:] Alright. [speaker003:] I dunno if if you disagree, [speaker002:] Well [disfmarker] [speaker003:] but I think it's doesn't matter very much. [speaker004:] Yeah. Alright. [speaker002:] Our customers will use those uh funky uh trendy colours, [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Funky customers. [speaker002:] and they don't use uh wood. [speaker003:] And even if it does uh doesn't match, it will uh [disfmarker] People like mm colours that don't match. [speaker002:] Mm. Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Alright. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Okay. And well the the electrical cable is just normal uh [gap]. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Cop copper uh material. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Excuse me? [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] The electrical cable uh does [disfmarker] [speaker001:] It's uh from uh our coffee uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah copper i just a ba basic uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] No we don't use an electrical cable. [speaker001:] [gap] [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah inside, but this is for the coffee uh machine. [speaker003:] Yeah in [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah well inside the remote control we use a couple of uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Of course. [speaker002:] Yeah, but that's not what's meant here, I think. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Nei. [speaker003:] [gap] [speaker004:] So external. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Oh external? [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Well [gap] [vocalsound] A coffee grind doesn't have [disfmarker] Na ja. Never mind the coffee grind. [speaker001:] Well uh [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] all the all the inside work of our remote is uh standard work. So [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Right? [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] The chip is normal silicon. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Uh the buttons are normal, etcetera. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Okay? [speaker003:] Alright. Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] So that's just easy. Uh we decide about that just by looking at our competitors and our [vocalsound] earlier uh remotes. The conceptual specification of the user interface? Um well we have our beautiful drawing. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Alright. [speaker002:] Well I got a better one here and I will um [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Well you can put that in uh into the shared folder, [speaker002:] The shared folder. [speaker001:] and then I'll put it in our end report. [speaker002:] I will work this out uh for the uh next meeting. [speaker001:] Yes, you can [disfmarker] Mm yeah. You can uh put some uh which button is what. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yeah yeah yeah. [speaker001:] Okay. Um the trend-watching [disfmarker] [gap] included these days. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] And what do we? We thing that fruit and bright colours are [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah the the the front w [speaker004:] I think we can launch a couple of packages. You can buy a different kind of of of machine, [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] but it's the same thing, but with another front. [speaker001:] Yes. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] So [disfmarker] [speaker001:] We can also uh implement um we can also implement fronts from um movies that are very hot. [speaker002:] Yeah that's the whole idea of the front. [speaker004:] And you can you can [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker001:] Uh those kind of things. [speaker002:] Yes. [speaker004:] Yeah right. [speaker002:] But that's for later on. The fronts y you can do anything with them. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah but if you if you launch uh five different packages like iPod mini [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah, right [disfmarker] For the uh initiative uh launch. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] For the for the launch, yeah. [speaker004:] It's good marketing. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] Launch different lines at once. [speaker003:] So e th then a c couple of basic colours. Not not very uh [vocalsound] sim Not [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah, n not too heavy. You can always take another pick. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] We should not give them the m the most lovely front when they buy it for the first time. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] They have to buy it later on. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker002:] Oh yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. [gap] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah right. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker001:] Come on. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] More basic. [speaker001:] We still have to make those fifty million, yeah? [vocalsound]. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Very boring, yeah. [speaker002:] Well you can you can give them uh s s three or so, [speaker003:] The most boring fronts possible. [speaker001:] The most ugly. [speaker002:] so that they can uh experiment with it and that they want more. [speaker004:] Yeah, right. [speaker001:] Two. [speaker003:] Yeah but you you can have some basic colours, and then we come with the special patterns on them, [speaker002:] Red red, blue and green you give them or something, [speaker003:] and and uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] And uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] and then you can give them [gap] uh other ones. [speaker001:] Yeah. Alright. Um well the buttons etcetera, we get from Mike. Uh this fruit and bright colours, yeah well I think we'll have to in the next uh half an hour, we'll have to uh s s specify the different uh types we want to launch, when we uh [vocalsound] well introduce our remote. [speaker003:] Uh we still have to make [disfmarker] We have still have to make the es the the real basic design. [vocalsound] Because yeah we have the sketch but [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah. But we we must remember that [vocalsound] fancy look-and-feel is the most important thing. [speaker001:] Yes. [speaker004:] Else it w won't sell. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] So [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yes. [speaker003:] Alright, yeah. [speaker001:] Well I'll have to, before I get another warning for five minutes, I'm going to get [disfmarker] Where is my mouse? Uh where is my mouse? [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Lost my mouse. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Oh yeah. [vocalsound] Um this is it. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Unbelievable. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Well, um this we have. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Uh basic stuff. Interface we have. Supplements, LCD. Maybe a a cheap voice recording. Well [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah we should do that. [speaker003:] The price? [speaker001:] Yes. Alright. Individual actions. [speaker003:] We all agree on that. Yeah. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] Industry designer, [gap]. User Interface, Mike. You're going to work together on a prototype drawing on the SMARTboard. [speaker002:] Yeah, we can do that. [speaker003:] Together or uh [disfmarker] Yeah together. [speaker004:] Yeah togeth [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] That's what I got uh to hear. [speaker003:] How [disfmarker] Yeah yeah, but how do I [disfmarker] [speaker002:] But bu we stay we stay here or something? [speaker001:] Yes well we'll get it to hear that I think. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] But I think so. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] You can take the SMARTboard. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Th they're saying SMARTboard and that's it [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Ah right. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] This is the SMARTboard, so [disfmarker] [speaker002:] And take it to our rooms and uh [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Um so you can uh you you are going to make a prototype, and y Well that's includes uh specifying the buttons etcetera. [speaker002:] Ah, specific instructions will be sent to you by your personal coach. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah. So you'll get it on your em on your laptop. Um well you will go and do something else uh on the project [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Have fun [vocalsound]. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Some [disfmarker] Some non functional tasks. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] yeah project evaluation. So um [disfmarker] [speaker004:] 'Kay. [speaker001:] [gap], what are you going to do? Uh I don't know what product evaluation exactly means, but uh you'll get uh the specifications. [speaker004:] We don't have produ product yet, so kind of difficult. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah. That's why I uh [disfmarker] But uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] You're fired. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] No but [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] How long do we still have? [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Well, can we talk about something else? Uh [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah. [gap] [speaker003:] Uh no I don't know anything, [speaker004:] [gap] Ajax. Nah. [speaker003:] but maybe uh anyone else uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah. Um [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah? [speaker002:] Will we use uh round buttons or square ones for the for the numbers? [speaker004:] Um round. [speaker003:] Round I think. [speaker004:] Yeah. Round. [speaker002:] Yeah I I I also uh thought [disfmarker] Yeah. [speaker003:] To make it as uh as round as possible. [speaker002:] And these uh these s these buttons [vocalsound] uh are more uh triangle-ish shaped [speaker001:] Why does [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Curvy. Yeah. So you can see you have to up or down. [speaker002:] with a square one in the middle. [speaker001:] Ah f fuck you. [speaker002:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker003:] But now I see the [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] And this must be uh volume I think, [speaker001:] Heh? [speaker004:] and this programme. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] We can't get [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Well most of the time uh up and down is programme and left and right are volume, I think. [speaker003:] Well th th th th th that depends uh. [speaker004:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yeah, it depends, but [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Well we uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] If you turn up the volume, you always see this thingy go up. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] We we j we'll just give them an uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah, that's right. [speaker003:] We'll design it, and then they can give comments on it. [speaker002:] Yeah. Yeah alright. [speaker004:] Yeah. Okay. [speaker001:] Ts It doesn't work any more. We can't save them. So we'll just have them uh standing there. [speaker004:] Yeah, I noticed. You can't uh click the corners. [speaker001:] No. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] It's a bit uh bit a pity. [speaker004:] It's a real real great thing. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Well we still have uh more than five minutes. Um [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] So [vocalsound] what are we going to do? [vocalsound] I as Project Manager ha don't have a clue. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Let's start the design. [speaker001:] Oh we can uh decide how we implement [vocalsound] the feeling from our company into the remote. [speaker003:] Well yeah. Um I think um [vocalsound] a logo, our company logo, and the slogan should be or could be [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] Also the slogan? On the [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah, why not? [vocalsound] If there's enough space, [vocalsound] you can put uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Uh I I'd say only the logo. [speaker003:] We'll we'll [disfmarker] [speaker004:] O Yeah. Me too. [speaker002:] Too much text and it gets too too busy. [speaker003:] Well, our slogan is not very long. It's just a simple [disfmarker] What is it? [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Well [vocalsound] it's quite a long phrase. [speaker001:] We put the fashion in electronics. We put the fashion in electronics. [speaker004:] But we kree we keep adjusting to the fashion with our fronts. So [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] You c [vocalsound] But you can put it on the back, on the titanium part. The logo and the and the [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah, right. [speaker002:] Ah the logo should be on the top I think. [speaker004:] The logo [disfmarker] [speaker001:] On the top. Yeah. Well in in in the right top corner? [speaker003:] Yeah they do. Well yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Right corner, yes. [speaker001:] And well you c [speaker003:] Right corner, [speaker001:] On the back, you can put uh h [vocalsound] At the bottom, you can put the logo with the [disfmarker] [speaker003:] or maybe here in the middle? [speaker002:] [gap] uh the text? [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] But the logo the logo shouldn't be exchangeable, when you get off the front. [speaker001:] Just just small. [speaker002:] Uh yeah, at the back? [speaker003:] Yeah it it should be hard on the on the on the board, [speaker002:] Well you c Well uh [disfmarker] Yes. [speaker001:] Yeah well [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah. [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker003:] and you can remove the front. [speaker002:] You can [disfmarker] The logo can be on on every uh front. [speaker004:] Yeah, but you can scratch it off or something. It's better if you have it uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah, but then you must uh really uh yeah [vocalsound] push it in or something. [speaker001:] Carved into the material. [vocalsound] No, you you can carve it into the titanium at the back. [speaker003:] I l I like the idea of the of the slogan on the on the on the thing. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] But [vocalsound] am I the only one, or uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah, on the backside. [speaker001:] Well, management would like it. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Well n n not not on the front side, I think. [speaker001:] The front side, no no l no slogan. [speaker003:] No not on the front, but on the backside. Uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] On the back [disfmarker] Yes, you you can, yeah, push that in, [speaker001:] Sorry. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] so that it is always be there. [speaker003:] I think it's a nice idea, [vocalsound] to make it more recognisable, [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] that the next to the logo you have the slogan. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] I agree. [speaker003:] To make more uh of an impression. [speaker004:] But not too big. Just uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Not too big. No, very small. Not [vocalsound] on the entire back, [speaker004:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] but uh just very small. [vocalsound] But readable enough of course. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker001:] Yes, slogan from company on the back with logo [speaker003:] But we'll uh we'll take that uh with us into the design. [speaker002:] Yeah I think over here the logo. [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Lo Uh yeah. Or maybe here in the middle, but we'll decide later. [speaker001:] and logo also on the front but not exchange uh [disfmarker] Uh? Hmm? [vocalsound] [gap] Uh when changing fronts. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [gap] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Alright, that's decided. [speaker003:] Do you do you see a bit of the of the um of the uh titanium? O on the front? [speaker001:] Five minutes left. [speaker003:] Uh maybe if we make this this this lower part titanium, [speaker002:] Yes we could [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [gap] the front is the the upper part, and the the bit with the with the LCD screen. So [disfmarker] [speaker001:] So a bit of titanium between? [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] No no betwe of between [speaker001:] That's a bit [disfmarker] Oh that that's that's pretty cool. [speaker003:] we can do but [disfmarker] But then you have two parts of front, two fronts that [disfmarker] [speaker002:] No, they have two fronts, [speaker004:] No no no no. [speaker002:] that. You you can [disfmarker] [speaker004:] You have to make this titanium too. [speaker001:] No? [speaker002:] Yeah. Yeah. [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker003:] This enti entire bottom? [speaker004:] Else you you get problems with the LCD. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yes. [speaker004:] Like dust in it and so things like that. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] When you exchange all the fronts and it's open. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] I already have uh all kinds of uh filth between the mobile. [speaker002:] No, you can you can just [disfmarker] And then not a straight line but uh some sort of wave or something. [speaker003:] And then the lower part is titanium? [speaker002:] This is titanium. [speaker003:] I think that's nice, yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. Some some kind of wei weight in it. Yeah. [speaker002:] And this is uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah. Round forms. [speaker002:] F front. [speaker003:] Yeah. I like that bit of uh titanium also on the uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] With the with the curved edge. [speaker001:] Yep. [speaker003:] A bit like uh a bit like your mobile phone. Maybe you can show it. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] It also has the those [vocalsound] two distinct uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] Tada. [speaker003:] Mm bit like this. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah, [speaker003:] Uh it's uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] you can make it go round this corner too where the logo is. Because it has to be uh there all the time you know. [speaker001:] What? [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Ah. [speaker003:] That uh [disfmarker] Yeah. Maybe a nice touch, yeah. [speaker001:] So round where? [speaker004:] So uh a little corner of titanium. [speaker002:] Yeah, that's nice finishing touch you need. [speaker001:] Oh, yeah. Yes, [gap] that also sounds uh pretty uh neat. [speaker003:] [gap] [speaker004:] So this this is the exchangeable part. [speaker003:] I think I'm going to buy it. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] We want it. [speaker002:] Yeah, this is the front. [speaker001:] And it's only f twenty five Euros. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Come on. [speaker003:] That's a bit too much, but [disfmarker] No, no no no, [speaker001:] No that's nothing. [speaker003:] but [vocalsound] I think uh this looks uh pretty nice actually. [speaker001:] The Phillips remote uh costs more. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Of course, because it's my design but [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Right. [speaker003:] No our d our design, alright. [speaker002:] My design. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Taking all the credit. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Well uh you two are going to work together. You'll get your uh specifications on your uh laptop, and then uh [vocalsound] you uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah. We'll stay here I guess? [speaker004:] But there's a problem. We can't uh take a blank one. Or can we? [speaker001:] Well I think we can, I just [gap] [disfmarker] It's [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Well we can uh erase an animal I guess. [speaker004:] Yeah. Nah that's alright, that's alright. [speaker002:] Uh the fourth one. [speaker003:] But don't erase my cat. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah, o [speaker002:] Uh the fourth one is empty, isn't it? [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Oh [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] I want to preserve it. [speaker001:] [gap] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [gap] [speaker004:] [gap] This one is empty. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] You have to empty one huh? [speaker001:] Oh, we have a [gap] one. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] What are you doing chief? [speaker001:] So, you can uh draw a [disfmarker] Yeah. [speaker004:] Alright. [speaker002:] Yeah I think we have to wait? [speaker001:] Well I'll get a [disfmarker] I'll get the message. [speaker003:] Yeah [speaker004:] No [disfmarker] [speaker003:] until the until the beep goes. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] But I don't uh [disfmarker] Do we have to stay here, [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] or I think we have to return first. [speaker001:] No, I think uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Well you'll [disfmarker] Maybe you can uh keep your uh laptop here. [gap] [speaker002:] Maybe. [speaker001:] Or get your mouse. Because it's little bit uh hard to work with these uh plates. [speaker003:] The high powers from above [vocalsound] will have to tell us, yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. It's not relaxing. [speaker001:] I always have a mouse next to my laptop. I hate these [disfmarker] [speaker004:] I I don't have a laptop. [speaker003:] Yeah, touch-pads, yeah. [speaker001:] Ugh. [speaker003:] We can uh do a touch-pad on our remote. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah right. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] No just kidding. [speaker002:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Dream on. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Well we have uh b you have to have a bit of humour in the in the discussions too, because it becomes too too too too stressy. [speaker001:] And in your remote control. So we put a touch pad on it, and say ha ha. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Aha. This has no function. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Half [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] We know you'll you'll you'll hate it but [vocalsound] [disfmarker] [speaker003:] But uh th youth doesn't care about functio functionality, so [disfmarker] [speaker004:] No. [speaker001:] But they do want some gadgets. [speaker004:] It's all about cool things. [speaker001:] So that's wha what we're doing. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] And it will sell. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] We will be rich. [speaker003:] Bless you. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Well we won't. Our bosses will be rich. [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker002:] We've done too much in the previous meetings. [speaker003:] Too much? [speaker002:] Yes, we've got nothing to do now. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Well they uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Well, that's not bad, is it? [speaker004:] No. [speaker003:] I think that's good. We all had uh our talk and we agree I guess on uh several thing, on most uh on things. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker002:] Its the best remote ever. [speaker001:] So [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Pinball. [speaker001:] Oh [gap]. Oh he's totally off again. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Well [disfmarker] [speaker004:] No man. You just have to push harder. [speaker003:] Yeah you have to push harder. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] But when I start here, it's here. [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker001:] So is it [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yes, but you you get really close to the screen with your hand, [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] and I don't think that's [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker002:] Hmm. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Recalibrate it. [speaker001:] Nope. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Where's the good old chalk board with the the green board with the, how do you call it, chalk, yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] We can better uh draw a design on this. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah, maybe. [speaker002:] Yeah, but we can't. [speaker003:] Maybe if i if that thing is recalibrated, we can draw a thing quick, and then before it uh [vocalsound] goes off again. [speaker001:] Yeah. Let's go. [speaker002:] Well [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Finish meeting now. [speaker001:] Finish the meeting now. Alright now we know what to do, so [speaker002:] We'll stay here? [speaker001:] Um [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah. Oh. [speaker002:] Or we'll get the email. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Message? [speaker003:] Maybe w maybe we maybe w m Can we get email here? [speaker001:] No, get away. [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Huh? Yeah. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Guess so. [speaker001:] Um I I'm not sure. Maybe you [disfmarker] Yeah. Well you'll have to work on this one. [speaker002:] Well we'll wait a few seconds [speaker001:] Yeah. That's a good idea. [speaker002:] and then we'll get an email. [speaker004:] Alright. Have fun lads. [speaker001:] Well [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] A happy hol happy holidays. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Good luck. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound]

[speaker004:] [vocalsound] Okay. Oh I totally [disfmarker] Yeah 'cause I moved it. [vocalsound] 'S put it over here. Then we don't have to worry about it. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Ready for this? [speaker001:] All set? Cool. Alright, it is PowerPoint time. I've done more PowerPoints in this particular experiment than I've ever done in my life before this experiment [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah [vocalsound]. [speaker001:] which is kind of fun. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Oh man. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] So uh here we have our detailed design meeting where we will um look at the prototype and um [vocalsound] [disfmarker] right so um, I finally figured out what this whole second bullet point is about in my [disfmarker] that my coach was sending to me. It means I'm supposed to read the minutes from the previous meeting. [speaker002:] Oh really? Okay. [speaker001:] I think. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Huh. [speaker001:] I don't know. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Otherwise it's just saying I'm the secretary and I'm [disfmarker] therefore I'm taking the minutes, s so just to go um [vocalsound] just real briefly to go over minutes from last meeting, uh, I will open them slowly, no? Wait for it, wait for it. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah that's not you. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] No. That's how the [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Wait. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] This is, this is very high-powered stuff here, double-clicking, there we go. So um basically the moral of the story from our last minute uh [disfmarker] last meeting was that [vocalsound] um we that we had meetings from [disfmarker] uh we had presentations done by the Industrial Designer, uh or from Nathan, and Ron and from Sarah about what we can do here um and what sort of limitations we're operating with um [disfmarker] uh excuse me what limitations we're operating under, what kind of risk we'd be looking at with some of the various approaches we were discussing and we essentially came to the conclusion that we should develop a remote with uh voice recognition, IE that had a vaguely non-remote like shape um because you didn't really need to use it as a remote since you could just use your voice. That would include some [disfmarker] mostly just the simple design features for a television operation but with a slide or a fold-out bay for more advanced functions for users. Um, and uh the uh uh the UID and the ID were asked to go ahead and start developing a prototype for us to look at. [vocalsound] So. That's sorted, back to the main [vocalsound] meet here, um, go ahead and take it away guys. [speaker002:] Well. Uh, we have assembled our prototype, um. What's to be said about it? Um, we took into account a lot of the things that we went over in the last meeting, um. Some of the most important things to consider are that we decided not to go for the touch screen which you can see [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] and opted for some very large buttons for the primary functions, um. This is going to be the on off button [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] and we have these buttons to go through the channels um and then two volume buttons down here, d uh we decided those were the most important uh buttons. And then, for the more advanced uh functions there is a slide out panel here um and you can see that there are lots of other things going on. But this actually can slide back in and provides a very nice aesthetic when it's all put away, um. As far as the uh whole visible light thing, we decided to go with the multiple colours coming out, [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Ah. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Nice. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] why not? [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Fair enough. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Of course, if that's annoying for some people that function can be turned off. Um. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Perfect. [speaker003:] No [speaker002:] Go ahead. [speaker003:] it's important to [vocalsound] we talked a quite a bit about uh you know the the interchangeable uh faces [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker003:] and what we've done here is come up with a bit of a natural look here um f we call it fruity [speaker004:] Right. [speaker003:] if you will. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Appropriate, okay. [speaker003:] Um. Right, um, of course that's uh interchangeable [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] and uh I think it would be desirable for the uh for the regular product in the in the in the in the first packaging to be something a little bit more subdued [speaker004:] Mm 'kay. [speaker003:] but this is kind of something that can be done [speaker004:] It is an option. [speaker003:] um and as you can see on the television there uh we have the uh voice detector device um on the top there. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Oh, right. [speaker002:] That's this here. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Ah. I see. [speaker003:] Um. So that that will work quite well with with regard to finding this uh contraption. Um, what other things do we see here, well, um if you give it a touch it does have actually a bit of a spongy feel, [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] um, so I think that will work well with regards to our market. Um and uh let's see, well clearly there's gonna be some more colours and what not available. [vocalsound] Um uh do you have anything else to add to that? [speaker002:] Um I worried about the materials, it is uh [disfmarker] the entire thing is covered in a rubber coating so it's very durable uh, it's not gonna break like some types of plastic that's dropped. Um, and of course as you can see and if you touch it it does have that nice squishy feel. [speaker003:] It's actually important to note that the television, uh you know if there's an earthquake or anything like that, that i it actually is edible inside. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Fact, I dunno if you noticed, but I wrote the uh the company's name on the telephone screen, [speaker001:] Oh well done yeah, yeah oh ok [speaker004:] Nice. [speaker002:] I thought that was kinda nice. This was actually an apple on the inside. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Do we need to worry about um rot factors? [vocalsound] [speaker002:] This [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Um [vocalsound] it's encased in a new uh type of uh [speaker004:] Oh okay, there's preservatives involved, [speaker003:] polymer [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] we don't need to worry, [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] yeah. It's fine. [speaker002:] We got a bit ahead of ourselves, [speaker004:] okay. [speaker002:] I know we're not talking about making televisions at this point or anything like that, but [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Hmm. [speaker004:] Fair enough. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Edible televisions, it's a wave of the future. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] No but [disfmarker] [vocalsound] It's a couple years off at least. [speaker003:] It's pos a possible new product. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker003:] Um, but I think that's [disfmarker] I think that sums up the main features of our [disfmarker] of the remote, um I dunno if you guys have any questions [speaker001:] Brilliant. [speaker002:] Right. [speaker003:] or f whether that uh [disfmarker] whether we need to worry about any uh other marketing areas or anything of that nature. Um, did we come in under budget? [speaker002:] Uh we did, yeah. This cost [disfmarker] well to put this into um production, we're looking at about [disfmarker] what was our goal? It was twelve fifty Euro um and this actually came in at about eleven ninety nine. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Um, so I was quite pleased with that. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] One thing that we didn't do um [disfmarker] obviously we had a choice with the buttons whether to use scroll buttons or standard rubber buttons, but we just went for a classic rubber button [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker002:] and um since we did that we didn't have to use as many microchips which was quite nice and that's what helped keep the cost down. [speaker001:] Brilliant. [speaker002:] So even though it has a lot of modern technology, um for example the voice recognition, [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker002:] in a lot of ways it's just a simple remote [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker002:] and um I think if we shopped around for other manufacturers um we might be able to get even cheaper. [speaker003:] Mm. [vocalsound] Did we talk about the voice recognition uh option? [speaker002:] And [disfmarker] Oh no, we haven't talked about that yet have we? [speaker003:] So uh so uh yeah on the back here you all noticed this area here which is actually the voice recognition uh uh console [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker003:] and uh I think it's nicely designed into the into the overall look. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Um, but basically the voice recognition uh incorporates um the latest designs that our research team has been able to cufw uh come up with. Basically uh quite similar to the coffee maker um design that we were talking about earlier [speaker004:] Mm 'kay. [speaker003:] and um, I think that uh has given a proven um [vocalsound] ease of use and what not. [speaker002:] Hmm. Yeah. [speaker003:] And uh allows features like the remote actually talking back to the user um, so. [speaker004:] Right. [speaker001:] Cool. [speaker002:] Any questions? [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Do we have um other, for lack of a better word, skins? Covers? [speaker001:] No, no I think that's [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] In play now or are those ones gonna be developed later once we see how the couple we have g go or? [speaker002:] Um, do you wanna answer this one [speaker004:] Do we know where we stand on that yet? [speaker002:] or do you want me to answer it? [speaker003:] Well we didn't quite have enough material uh [vocalsound]. [speaker004:] Oh I wasn't expecting a prototype [speaker002:] Yeah, yeah. [speaker004:] I just didn't know [disfmarker] if you guys had any in mind yet. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Oh I see, right, um. [speaker002:] Um, well [vocalsound] as you can see this is just a most superficial layer and um it'd be very easy to put another layer of something else like [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Okay. Just veneer really, yeah. Okay. [speaker003:] Right. Actually this bottom red ring here just unclips [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] and then you put a a new a new uh a new plate on top of that. [speaker004:] And the whole thing [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Okay Right [speaker003:] So I mean there are [disfmarker] I [disfmarker] we definitely priced out a spongy [disfmarker] even spongier non-natural look um materials [speaker004:] Yeah. There's [disfmarker] Okay. [speaker003:] which I think worked out fine. We also continued on with the ideas that f following uh Apple's colour schemes with the kind of the uh light orange and the green. [speaker004:] Mm 'kay. Okay, very cool. [speaker002:] It's not it's not quite a a face plate, it's more like a pseudo-face plate [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker002:] because it's simple enough that in the factory it could [disfmarker] we could very easily put a different one on it, it locks into place such that, you know, it's pretty permanent but at the same time, if we wanna go the other way it's just a matter of a couple of adjustments and we could go the face plate way [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker002:] if you know what I mean. [speaker004:] Yep. It's still an option if we need it. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Very cool, nice job. [speaker001:] Right, yeah thanks guys that's very, very good work. I like it, brilliant. [vocalsound] Um, [vocalsound] what we need to discuss now is the finance of it, um I got me [disfmarker] you've got [disfmarker] you provided a number that actually sounds quite nice. Um the trouble is I was just given this by finance. [speaker002:] Oh. [speaker001:] Um, it's a spreadsheet of the parts [vocalsound] and I've just tentatively put in what it's going to look like um. [speaker002:] Ooh. [speaker001:] I'm just gonna clear this out real quickly, but it looks like [disfmarker] So we'll just [disfmarker] if we can just itemize what's in here, we've got this [disfmarker] it's a solar cell thing right? [speaker002:] Right uh we didn't really touch on that [speaker001:] With a back-up battery? [speaker002:] but it it's in there, yep. [speaker001:] With the ba okay. Um and [disfmarker] [speaker003:] The voice recognition area actually doubles as uh as the solar cell area. Yeah. [speaker001:] Clever, clever, well done. Um so I guess that would mean we've got a bit of a um [disfmarker] [vocalsound] It's a s a speaker and a sensor at the same time isn't it? [speaker002:] Yeah, yeah. It's just making use of the same space and the same materials, [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Okay. Um and the case, it's more of a single-curved case, I guess would be that [disfmarker] be the general [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah, one big curve I guess you could say. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Um and we've got a rubber skin material basically throughout. Um. Push button interface um with this other drop-down so maybe we've got two push button interfaces don't we? [speaker002:] Yeah, mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Um. And um a special [disfmarker] I guess it's uh [disfmarker] we've got a sort of a wood materi a rubbery type material that [disfmarker] throughout, [speaker002:] Yeah, special. [speaker001:] yeah. [speaker002:] And s I guess you have to mark special colour and special form as well, don't you? 'Cause it i it is very unconventional, [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yeah, it's it's quite unique. [speaker002:] I like to think of it as unconventional. [speaker001:] I like it, yeah it's [disfmarker] So it looks like [speaker004:] M come in at sixteen? [speaker001:] a bit over budget, um. [speaker002:] Oh. Huh, doesn't match up [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] does it? [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] So what we could do perhaps, a simple fix would maybe to switch away from the solar cells [vocalsound] um or take out the back-up battery. Uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] How do you feel about that? [speaker003:] I mean I think that uh if we're talking about it being one of our main selling features, being environmental and without the batteries and what not, although it does still have a battery so I'm not sure that [disfmarker] you know what the sell is on that. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] I mean we could take we could take the battery out of it you see and it'd probably work ninety nine per cent of the time but you're gonna have to set up a call centre for that one per cent of the time when people are calling and saying oh look my remote isn't working [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] what am I gonna do? [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] Mm k. [speaker002:] People'd be real upset. I think in the long-run it's better to keep the battery, [speaker004:] True. [speaker002:] it's hard to scrap the whole cell battery idea 'cause that's so integral to the theme that we have. [speaker001:] Hmm. [vocalsound] What's difficult, we have all these things integral to the um to the design of it that we just can't back out of now, [speaker004:] Nah. [speaker001:] it would have to be [disfmarker] seems like we'd have to go back to square one in a way. Um if we were gonna try to undo one bit we'd probably have to undo most of it, um [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Although we don't wanna get rid of the whole environmental [disfmarker] I mean obviously the solar cell is a big piece of the way we're marketing this as like a natural, new thing, but honestly if we cut that one piece out we're actually coming in under budget if I've done my math correctly. [speaker002:] Hmm. [speaker003:] I mean you might be able to sway me on the idea that [disfmarker] we [disfmarker] our main selling point could be already this voice recognition thing [speaker004:] I mean [disfmarker] [speaker003:] I mean that's what sets us apart [speaker004:] Which, it's [disfmarker] [speaker003:] right? [speaker004:] yeah that's what setting us into this young market, I mean that's where we started from, so [disfmarker] [vocalsound] I don't know, and I mean you know perhaps when the cell technology comes down in price we can bring that back into the game but it looks like at this point that may be out of our league. [speaker003:] And the reality is you know, for me from an ideological stand point, I'd like to stick with the uh the solar cell, [speaker002:] Right. [speaker003:] but I h kind of have to throw myself in the in the business structure model here [speaker004:] Right. Yeah. [speaker003:] and uh you know I think I think that I think that we need to come to a compromise here [speaker002:] Right. [speaker001:] It's either or. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] and maybe move ahead with the project, without the solar cell. [speaker002:] Yeah. I guess we might have to do that. [speaker004:] I think unfortunately that's our best option. [speaker002:] It's the only way we're gonna get below our uh goal isn't it? [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker002:] Of twelve fifty. [speaker001:] 'Cause we can't remove the push buttons 'cause they're [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] It [disfmarker] kind of [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah, [vocalsound]. [speaker001:] um and we can't get rid of the uh [disfmarker] I mean removing the [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Savings. [speaker004:] yeah. [speaker001:] changing the case wouldn't be so much of a [vocalsound] mm-mm, um, nor would changing the case materials. [speaker004:] Mm-mm. [speaker001:] Um. So yeah that looks like to be the only thing. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] So that would be the [disfmarker] it's a major change but [disfmarker] Yeah. [speaker002:] Gotta do what you gotta do. [speaker001:] Alright, so we're in agreement on that. [speaker004:] Unfortunately I think we are. [speaker003:] No, I think that was a good compromise you brought forward Sarah. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Right. Moving along swiftly. Um, so I guess now we just go to the project evaluation which I will allow Sarah to take over. [speaker004:] That would be me. Um cord? [speaker001:] Ah of course, sorry. [speaker004:] No problem. [speaker001:] Whoosh. [speaker004:] Can you reach, that would be great, [speaker003:] Yep. [speaker004:] thank you. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] That'd be great [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] I didn't even do that one on purpose either, [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] damn. Okay, um, basically I was just evaluating um [vocalsound] from what we know of how our product's working right now with the criteria that we set at the beginning of [disfmarker] these are the things we needed to do, these are the things that look like we feel they're important. Um so I was looking at basic design things, does it fulfil its functions as a remote? Is the design what we wanted it to do? I are technologies up to where we hoped they would be and does it fulfil the aesthetic qualities that our original market research was looking for? Um. Basic questions like, you know, does it turn on? Does it respond to voice recognition? And overall, in general, it looks like it's coming up to par. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker004:] Um, the only thing is with with the pull-out panel, that is, can it take some adjusting because it's a new sort of interface, um that looked like it was coming up rough, but then, once you get used to it, it does make a lot of sense. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Really good. [speaker004:] So I think overall we're headed in the right direction. [vocalsound] So. [speaker003:] They like that spongy feel. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] It looks like it's going over well, so [speaker003:] And the paging function works well, [speaker002:] Six? [speaker003:] that's good to hear, [speaker004:] we're we're good yeah. [speaker003:] we worked hard on that one. [speaker002:] We did. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Brilliant. [speaker004:] It's [disfmarker] I think eventually if we do um branch out with this product maybe we do have a higher budget options and if it goes over with this model we can look into um wider range voice recognition like from other rooms of the house and stuff, but for now, what we've got is working in the range we need it for, so it's all good. [speaker002:] I am bit disappointed about losing the solar panel [speaker004:] That's everything from me. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Hmm. [speaker002:] but it's okay. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker004:] Yeah, it is a set-back, but [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Okay, do you need the cord back? [speaker003:] W we might have uh we might have lost that granola market again [speaker001:] Um yeah, I was just [disfmarker] go on. [speaker003:] that we're [disfmarker] [speaker002:] I know. [speaker001:] Well they don't own tellys anyway do they? [speaker003:] I guess that's true. [speaker002:] True. [speaker001:] Right. So, um, [vocalsound] this one's a bit unclear to me to be perfectly fair, um. I got this slide from the coach and I'm not sure what it's connected to. Um so I guess we are going to discuss um [vocalsound] our project process um [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] and that is gonna go into my report. So I guess this is the point where we go um [vocalsound] uh out of role it looks like and talk about our satisfaction for room for creativity and so forth and how that all worked, I guess, um. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker004:] As in within the team or? [speaker001:] I think so yeah. [speaker002:] Right so it's just kind of a open mic kind of thing or [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker001:] I think it's [disfmarker] I mm-hmm, I think so. [speaker002:] 'Kay. [speaker001:] I think [vocalsound] hope I'm not screwing up an experiment [vocalsound]. [speaker004:] It is now, you're in charge [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] so there you go [vocalsound]. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] But I trust that she would jump in if I was so okay [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] fair enough. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Whatever [vocalsound]. [speaker001:] Um right, um so any thoughts? [speaker002:] Are we considering these points here? [speaker004:] Um. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker004:] I think they're starting blocks yeah. [speaker001:] What do you guys feel about the process? [speaker002:] [gap] [speaker004:] Um, you know I think in general, for a day's worth of work we actually were [vocalsound] relatively productive, [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] considering the little amount of input we had going in. Um, and the technology has definitely been a help, it's really been interesting to try out all this new stuff. [speaker003:] We didn't use the whiteboard at all. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] No, we didn't. [speaker002:] No. [speaker001:] No, no whiteboard. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] We could now if that'd make up for it [speaker003:] [vocalsound] And [disfmarker] [speaker004:] but really [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] and I feel like if you guys had been designing in here perhaps that would have changed but because of room constraints, doesn't really matter. [speaker003:] Um, also had I not been intrigued about the pen, I don't think I woulda used it at all, I didn't write barely anything. [speaker004:] Yeah I think I was taking [vocalsound] notes more often than usual just 'cause I liked the pen, yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah, it's true. [speaker003:] Uh. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] Was pretty cool tack though. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker002:] Definitely. [speaker004:] I am disappointed I didn't get a note back from my personal coach. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] As you write your personal coach. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah, but I didn't get a response [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] What if you get a response two or three months from now? [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] so [vocalsound] we'll see [vocalsound]. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Okay [speaker002:] That'd be weird. [speaker004:] that would be kinda creepy. [speaker001:] Attempts to contact coach ineffective [vocalsound]. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Well [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] what kind of coaching is that really? What if I really needed something. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] I [disfmarker] so I don't n I think there was a lot of room for creativity, we could do whatever [disfmarker] basically what we wanted until the budget came down on us, um. [speaker004:] I think so. And even then we did get a decent product turned out although it's not everything we wanted it to be. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] With the natural look. [speaker002:] That's very natural. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Very natural look. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Organic, really. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] That's the brilliance of [disfmarker] they had a p they had a peeler in here. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] And highly resourceful team mates might I add [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] which is always a plus. [speaker001:] Yeah, I think, yeah re I thought it was like really creative actually, I mean. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] I think the teamwork was good as well. [speaker004:] Mm yeah, I'm impressed. [speaker002:] And to prove that we weren't wasteful we didn't waste a single bit of Play-Doh, we used every bit. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Nice. All four of those little containers. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Including the s the multi-coloured wave pattern. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yeah, I guess [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] My one my one criticism is that we didn't have enough colours to work with, [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] we only had four, wasn't enough. [speaker004:] You could have developed multiple skins really had you had more colours. [speaker002:] I know [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] it could have been amazing. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Oh well. [speaker001:] What did you guys think about the the the roles? [speaker002:] Hmm. [speaker004:] They were good [vocalsound]. [speaker002:] Yeah it's f kind of fun, [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] it was [disfmarker] I think it was pretty clever 'cause we were never able to get too far off track because the information came in at the right time and kind of filled in the gaps enough. [speaker004:] True. [speaker002:] At the same time you had enough room to kind of just make things up, [speaker004:] Do your own. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] which was kind of fun. [speaker004:] Though I did feel like th the level of information dropped off severely over the course of the day. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] I mean maybe it's just me but I didn't actually get any information for the last presentation at all. [speaker001:] That's true, [speaker004:] Nothing, I didn't even get an email, [speaker001:] I I got this spreadsheet [vocalsound]. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] like that was it. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] So, yeah, I feel like that was slightly lacking but then you know, fill in the blanks on your own, level of creativity upped. [speaker003:] Well [speaker004:] Whatever. [speaker003:] I think that was I think that was an issue I kept finding with regard to [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Of what to do. [speaker003:] well no but also [disfmarker] yeah when I was reporting about what each of us was doing I was often confused as to what you were doing [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. Uh-huh, that wasn't very much. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] You know [disfmarker] [speaker003:] um and then I also felt like you know a lot of our discussion would centre around n specifically what my task was [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker003:] because that was kind of the interface portion [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] which was what the whole project was about [speaker004:] Yes. [speaker001:] Mm, mm. [speaker003:] uh [speaker004:] Hmm, very much so. [speaker003:] but [disfmarker] and then in the end I think our jobs kind of melded together a little bit more, [speaker002:] Yeah. That was fun. [speaker003:] which was fine. [speaker002:] I think the most helpful thing out of everything was getting the the PowerPoint slides already put together for you [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] Yeah, already having the formatted stuff helped a lot. [speaker002:] 'cause if we didn't have that there's no way we could have got all that done in time. [speaker004:] Very much so. [speaker001:] Cool. [speaker003:] And I think your leadership was quite good. [speaker002:] It was really good yeah. [speaker004:] Hmm. [speaker001:] She said I I I she actually made a comment off [gap] boy you're getting into this and I really I think it's true I did get [disfmarker] I I felt like I got way too into it. [speaker004:] Yeah. That's kind of a good thing though, [speaker001:] I felt like I slipped into it a lot. [speaker002:] It's kinda fun. [speaker004:] you know, give the rest of us some structure to work with so hey. [speaker001:] I dunno. [speaker003:] An so is that the first time you've taken on that kind of role? [speaker001:] The first time I've ever done anything like yeah project project management. I usually organise crap, [speaker004:] Hmm. [speaker001:] it's one thing to do, you know [disfmarker] set up a party with your friends, [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] you know? [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Little different. [speaker001:] But you guys felt that you could keep the, yeah, suspension of disbelief kind of like like the role and the [disfmarker] okay? [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] I except for a couple moments where it just got out of hand and I knew we were all lying through our teeth, [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] other than that [vocalsound] [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] I had to admit, as soon as w we started [disfmarker] I mean as soon as we got the Play-Doh, [vocalsound] th [vocalsound] you know the whole concept of really trying to stick with reality went out the window [vocalsound]. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] I could only imagine. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah, yeah. Maybe in in Legos you know? Be fun with Legos too, [speaker003:] Possibly. [speaker001:] like make a remote control or spaceship, we used to have spaceship Legos [disfmarker] did you guys ever used to build spaceships with Legos [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Oh yeah, [speaker004:] Yeah. Totally. [speaker003:] still have 'em. [speaker001:] everybody knows [disfmarker] best spaceships ever. Um you guys felt like there was enough teamwork in all? [speaker002:] Yeah? [speaker004:] I think so. [speaker003:] Yep. [speaker001:] Hmm. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] You don't. [speaker001:] No I, no I dunno, I d I I dunno, I don't [disfmarker] I I was just [disfmarker] I [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Though we didn't actually [disfmarker] I mean other than minor discussion at meetings there wasn't [disfmarker] except for the actual building, [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] but I feel like if this was a team project there actually would have been much more of the collaborative like brainstorming, use the board [disfmarker] [speaker001:] It's true huh? [speaker004:] well and this would have been six months' worth of work, not like three hours' worth of meetings. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] I mean I think had the issue been more serious we probably woulda brainstormed more during our meetings as a team. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] That's true. [speaker001:] Yeah. Course I'm I'm conscious of the idea of the Project Manager asking if you guys feel like there's a team [vocalsound] you know it's like, kind of like, like hmm. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] It d [speaker004:] Yeah that is kind of [disfmarker] [speaker001:] But yeah. Interesting. It's kind of fascinating wasn't it? I mean the whole process of [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Wonder why [disfmarker] is there anything about the way that we got so much inform what was it that kept us from going to the the board? [speaker001:] I don't know. [vocalsound] I I don't know if there was a ri I th [speaker004:] Mine was the mics. I didn't feel like getting up and down and dealing with all these wires, [speaker002:] Yeah, that's it [speaker004:] I was afraid I was gonna break something actually. [speaker002:] 'cause the mics are loose and each time you get up it's s a possibility of tripping over something or getting tangled or. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Mm. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker003:] Well I dunno what I woulda shown on that board. [speaker004:] True, but it didn't even occur to me as an option, I mean I don't know that I would have [speaker001:] Nor I. [speaker004:] but I know that I consciously didn't. [speaker003:] I mean it's just like the paper I don't know what I really needed the paper for. [speaker004:] True. [speaker003:] Um, because I've got this laptop. Standard, [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] I just used it 'cause it's literally right in front of me. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] I wanna see the output files from these um, from the digital paper. [speaker004:] Well it looks really professional. [speaker001:] I wanna see wh wh what my my handwriting looks like digitized [speaker004:] I know. [speaker001:] because my handwriting is crap. [speaker002:] Yeah, [speaker001:] I mean, [speaker002:] that's it. [speaker001:] just to see what it looks like in PDF format or something. [speaker002:] Usually I would do a lot more doodling too but I didn't because [disfmarker] [speaker004:] I know, [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] I felt like I needed to be professional so I didn't like draw all over my paper and stuff. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Okay, well not entirely, but still, I doodled less than I usually do. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] T I I'm curious about what the de-briefing is gonna be like. You know, like what is the uh what exactly we're looking for here. [speaker003:] So is this all we need to get through? [speaker001:] I dunno, I'm not sure what the new ideas found i is about. [speaker004:] I guess. Um. [speaker002:] New ideas. [speaker004:] It [disfmarker] did it just say in an email that we need to discuss that? [speaker003:] Is it [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Well, that's the thing I got [disfmarker] i in the email I got this PowerPoint file but this slide was just there, [speaker004:] That slide was like that? [speaker001:] mm-hmm. I didn't change this one at all. [speaker002:] Hmm. [speaker004:] Well. [speaker001:] Um ch [speaker002:] I guess we're on the right track. [speaker001:] Yeah well. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Any new ideas with regard to remote control concepts? [vocalsound] [speaker001:] W [gap] [vocalsound] I kinda like th [speaker002:] No, none. [speaker004:] Uh I think they still do their job. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] I think they're fine actually. [speaker001:] Yeah you can't [disfmarker] [speaker004:] I am thinking outside the little square box though, with literally in like form [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] I don't [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah, maybe a s a circle would be alright, different. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Does kinda make you wonder, I mean, how much can you do with a remote control? It's like inventing a new car. Yeah yeah, [speaker004:] It's still gotta be technically car shaped [speaker001:] you can [disfmarker] [speaker004:] or it won't fit on the road, [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker004:] you know? [vocalsound] Don't know. [speaker001:] Hmm. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Um. 'Kay. [speaker003:] What is that? Our limited ability to think outside the box? [speaker004:] Kind of. [speaker001:] So this was other costs. [speaker002:] Are we back into project mood? [speaker001:] I dunno. I think this is [speaker004:] Oh, how long was our meeting supposed to be? How much time do we have left? [speaker001:] forty ish I I I mm we should go on a bit [disfmarker] yeah [disfmarker] about the project eval, um. I dunno about you guys but I felt like a bit under-stimulated on the whole thing. Like, [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker001:] what like you know what am I really doing, you know what is [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah, at the beginning it started out and I felt actually like under pressure like the first couple were taking a lot of work [speaker001:] Yep. [speaker004:] and I was like [disfmarker] had like all this brainstorming I was doing [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] and then suddenly I was like well it's just another two minute presentation that you guys don't really care about anyway [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Why? [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] so type away. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Hey. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Huh [speaker004:] You know, you know what I mean [speaker003:] I think it was the real [gap]. [speaker004:] like we all sort of knew where we were headed with it [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] so it didn't feel like it mattered anymore. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Definitely when [vocalsound] when I first filled out the questionnaire I was marking it probably higher in terms of how much I had to [disfmarker] how much I stressed over it [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] and then by the time I got to the last one I was like, you know, not very much. [speaker004:] Whatever. [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker003:] Think it was also realisation of you basically just copy and paste what's given to you into your presentation [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yeah [vocalsound]. [speaker004:] Very much, yeah. [speaker003:] which uh wasn't so clear to me at the beginning. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] I actually didn't do that at all though, [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] every single one I [disfmarker] a all the presentations I either added slides or edited 'em. I di [speaker003:] Oh I added like five slides too, [speaker004:] [vocalsound] See [speaker001:] Oh. [speaker004:] I only got blank ones. [speaker002:] Did you really? [speaker003:] but I [disfmarker] [speaker002:] I just got blank ones and [disfmarker] [speaker001:] What? Really? [speaker004:] My slides were all blank, they'd have a title maybe [speaker003:] Yeah, mine too. [speaker004:] and they were just empty. [speaker002:] Me too. [speaker001:] Did they not have [disfmarker] they didn't like [disfmarker] uh mine [disfmarker] yeah they didn't come like this? Like with [disfmarker] this was what it looks like. [speaker004:] Like with those words already on it? [speaker001:] This is what that looked like, literally, just like that. [speaker004:] No. [speaker003:] No. [speaker001:] Interesting. [speaker004:] I wondered why yours always looked so more complicated. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Uh-huh huh huh. [speaker002:] I deleted slides [vocalsound]. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] I think I added a slide one time. [speaker003:] I added many slides every time [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Hey [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] with the whole new background being innovative, yeah that was class. [speaker003:] Yeah [vocalsound]. [speaker002:] That was pretty cool, it was a high moment of the whole experiment. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Um. [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker001:] Interesting. Any other thoughts come to mind? [speaker004:] I wanna know how our product would fare. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] I can't just leave it there. [speaker002:] I think it would fail, I think [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] it'd be a huge disaster, especially if it looks like that. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] I think it would take extensive marketing, okay, an apple with a red button on top, even I am sceptical. [vocalsound] But you know the whole [vocalsound] [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Even you [vocalsound]. [speaker004:] Yeah [vocalsound]. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] I don't [disfmarker] we kind of designed it to look little bit like a face. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yeah but [vocalsound] [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] I know it is [vocalsound]. [speaker002:] It's a happy face. [speaker003:] Actually that looked a lot more like a tongue from previous to uh fr some other design uh modifications [vocalsound]. [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Builds. Mm. [speaker003:] I hope you appreciate the uh incorporation of some tin foil from a uh random Kit-Kat bar [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] I I noticed that. [vocalsound] By accident. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] that happened to be consumed. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Interesting. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Well huh. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] An interesting day all in all I would say. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah, [speaker001:] Uh, yeah, I'd say so. [speaker002:] it's uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] So again I reiterate my question of how different we are comp compared to the other groups, especially between culture groups and what not. [speaker004:] I know. [speaker001:] Mm, I know. [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker001:] It seemed like everything flowed pretty logically. You know from the the the basics to the conce [speaker002:] I wanna see a [disfmarker] [speaker004:] I Yeah. [speaker001:] although the whole concepts thing, the whole concepts phase, I don't think I really understood like the concept. Well the id okay [speaker004:] 'Cause it's such a functional item. [speaker001:] the notion of [disfmarker] yeah I mean i it's not like I have a concept of a mug's material, it's just it is what it is. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] You know, maybe i rather than concepts i it should be th thought of [disfmarker] we sh I I thought of I thought of [disfmarker] rather than in terms of concepts I thought of it in terms of proposed idea. And then the final would be like th the actual specified prototype or whatever, [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker001:] I dunno. But. [speaker002:] Hmm. [speaker001:] All in all it's kinda interesting. [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker002:] So we have more slides or? [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] No just this closing one. No we've established that the costs weren't really within budget, but we could s you know do it [disfmarker] [speaker004:] We got it to be. [speaker001:] We did the project evaluation based on um [vocalsound] Sarah's evaluation of on off switches [speaker004:] Like cutting corners. Kind of, though it was really technically an evaluation of the product, not the project in general. [speaker001:] and [disfmarker] Mm. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker004:] Which I'm not sure is the same thing, [speaker001:] True. [speaker004:] at the time that just i made more sense, but I could see if they were really asking about us. [speaker001:] Yeah. 'Cause we di we had a thu think about it. Um. Yeah. And it's all recorded, woo-hoo. Yeah [speaker004:] Yay. [speaker001:] what I'm gonna [disfmarker] I'm gonna put um [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Hmm. [speaker001:] I'm supposed to do this final report thing at the end so I'll put all that into the final report as well, or as much as seems like [disfmarker] maybe not like the articles and stuff, like because and if and so forth, but I'll put most of it in the reports. [speaker002:] I [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Make it sound eloquent. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] It'd be so cool if we get a copy of the recording. [speaker004:] Oh, I have to done [disfmarker] I've [vocalsound] I've done transcription before [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Nice. [speaker004:] and it's really ridiculous how many words people say like just in the middle of their sentences like that [speaker001:] Oh yeah. [speaker004:] that mean nothing. [speaker001:] There's a whole branch of psychology that looks into that, psycholinguistics. [speaker003:] What the uhs and the [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Really. [speaker004:] There's a guy studying it here, yeah, he's studying ums and ahs or something. [speaker002:] Filler words or? [speaker001:] Yep, they're called um disfluencies. [speaker002:] Disfluencies. [speaker004:] That's a good word for it. [speaker001:] Yeah we like our fancy phrases and terminologies for things. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Just add some prefixes, sounds classier. [speaker001:] Exactly uh I will save this into the project documents. [speaker002:] I find myself hitting the send and receive button on the email a lot, just out of boredom, [speaker004:] I, [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker001:] Yeah. Oh yeah. [vocalsound] Yeah I know. [speaker004:] yeah, pretty compulsively during meetings, like, yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] like c come on gimme something. [speaker001:] Come on give me some information. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Well to be fair we're we're hooked [disfmarker] we're all hooked on the internet, [speaker004:] Yeah, [speaker001:] so I mean I do the [disfmarker] [speaker004:] we are addicts. [speaker003:] That's scary yeah? [speaker002:] It is scary. [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker003:] Well just around that eight or or nine people that are [disfmarker] [speaker001:] I know, imagine we went the first ten y fifteen years of our lives without the internet. It's only in the last ten that we're like where's the internet? [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] I mean, you know, it just in the past five we've gone from twenty eight eight modems to broadband all the time. [speaker004:] I yeah. [speaker003:] Dude, I think we've had internet for like eighteen years. [speaker004:] True. [speaker001:] No we have but I [disfmarker] not in the sense that it's so un you know uh ubiquitous [speaker004:] I yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] But it's not regular I mean my grandparents had it in the eighties and I got it in ninety four, but still. [speaker002:] It's crazy. So [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Uh-huh. [speaker003:] In the eighties? [speaker004:] My um grammy does computer science back in the States and so they had um an EDU and gov network. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker004:] There's basically the fundamental structures, but it wasn't uh household to household yet [speaker003:] Right. [speaker004:] because it hadn't been [speaker003:] Yeah, it was to the like seven universities or something. [speaker004:] partitioned off and stuff, yeah that was him. [speaker003:] You guys ready to celebrate? [speaker001:] Yeah that's our last step. Celebration. [speaker004:] Apparently, does that include like champagne or something exciting? [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Should. [speaker004:] I think so. [speaker001:] 'Kay I guess we can probably call that meeting to an end for the most part. [speaker004:] I think that's a closer. [speaker001:] Cool. [speaker002:] Has it been forty minutes or whatever? [gap] this has been long enough. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Celebrate. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Where do you find that? [speaker004:] [vocalsound] I have no idea. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Is that the only song you have? [speaker003:] There is another one. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Is this one of those media player? [speaker003:] Huh? Yep. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] W oh. [speaker002:] That's awesome. [speaker001:] The default track. [speaker002:] Maybe I have a different one. [speaker001:] I thought it was David Burns, look into the eyeball. That's one that seems to be shipping with it uh shipped with for a while, maybe this is the new version. [speaker004:] So is that a close? [speaker001:] Yeah, I guess we'll call that a a doner. [speaker004:] Okay, that's the end of the meeting. [speaker001:] Fab. [speaker004:] Thank you gentlemen. I feel like I'm signing off.

[speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] [gap]. [speaker001:] Right. Okay. Alright. Is everyone here? [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yep. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yep. [speaker001:] Okay. This is our conceptual design meeting. And [disfmarker] [vocalsound] I'll just take a few minutes and uh go through the previous minutes. Um then each of you will have your presentation, um and then we will need to make a decision on the concept for the remote control. And then we'll have uh forty minutes for finishing up. Um [disfmarker] [vocalsound] I'll go through the mee through the minutes first. Um, we just refreshed our our uh goal of making the finest remote control available. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Um we decided that, or we know that we need to use company colours, company logo. Um [vocalsound] and our Marketing Expert uh gave us some i uh information from interviews with a hundred different remote users. Um with some statistics that backed basically what we were thinking before. People thought their remotes were ugly, um um that remotes zap a lot. Um they only use uh a finite amount of buttons. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Um and that they often lose the [disfmarker] it's easy to lose a remote. Um which were all things we were thinking we would [disfmarker] wanna make it simple. Um [disfmarker] [vocalsound] And uh some sort of locator. Either a button or tracking device. Um [disfmarker] And that it should look different than what's out there. Um [disfmarker] Kind of mixed mixed response on the speech recognition. The younger people said they wanted it, older people did not. Um uh I think we decided that um the expense was not necessarily worth it, and that it was probably a gimmick, that um would increasingly wear on the consumers' nerves. Um [vocalsound] [disfmarker] Then the User Interface Designer um explored some of the technical functions of the remote. Um the simple versus the um the complex. The simple one being better for a user, the complex better for an engineer. Um [disfmarker] Um and some personal preferences that were found in that would be that it should be a user-oriented remote, something simple. Um and that we didn't wanna go with a universal remote, because uh increasing cost and increasing complexity. Um we would just have a TV remote. Um and that we should also focus on the appearance of the remote. Have it s be something that looks different. And finally our um Industrial Designer uh gave us a rundown of how the remote will work. Um from energy source, um uh what we would use. Batteries because we don't wanna have a a cable. Um [disfmarker] [vocalsound] How that would power the remote and the lamp. If we were to to have one. Uh um the user interface then would connect to a chip, [vocalsound] which would work with the infrared controls uh to send the signal to the TV. Um [disfmarker] I believe then we came up with a couple of ideas for what we think the design of the remote will be. Um [disfmarker] [vocalsound] Um something that will fit into uh easily into someone's hand. [vocalsound] And with a, just a few buttons. Just the basics. And with a scrolling um function also. Okay and I will leave that, leave it at that. So [disfmarker] Marketing? [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker001:] We're watching trends. [speaker004:] Yep. Can I have your cable please? [speaker001:] I suppose that you can have this. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Thanks. Okay so I was looking at trend-watching. Um unfortunately I wasn't given too much information. I was given a brief executive summary, and then an update on some recent fashion trends that we might like to look at. And then I'll just tell you some personal preferences that I got from that. Um okay the most important finding was that the fancy look-and-feel seems to be twice as important to the users as the current functional look-and-feel design, which I think we've kind of already discussed before. Um the second most important finding was that the remote should be technologically innovative. And again these are all things we've kind of already come up with on our own, but this just backs it up. And thirdly the remote would be easy to use. As far as fashion update, we've learned that fruits and vegetables will be the most important theme for cloths, shoes and furniture. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] So that might be a bit of a challenge to incorporate this into our remote, but we can try. Um and also, as opposed to last year, this year the material is expected to be spongy in feel. [vocalsound] Okay so from that um, as we've already said, we need to focus on a fancy look-and-feel. Um I think we've already discovered that it's kind of hard to go away from the traditional rectangular design. But I think that, even if it's very subtle, we need to kind of trick our consumers, so they at least get the idea that they're getting something that's new and modern and sleek and [disfmarker] Whether it's through the shape or the colours or all of that. Um for technologically innovative, we've talked about the tracking device. We brought up the idea of having two pieces, which we could discuss further. And Manuel had suggested um the energy source and the user interface, discussing some of those, um that we could change a little bit. We need to keep it simple, have limited buttons, which I think the two piece idea might be really beneficial for. [vocalsound] Um [vocalsound] we need to incorporate this fashion trend of fruits and vegetables. I don't know, I mean I guess the two options are if we had our remote in the shape of a fruit or vegetable. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] A banana shape? [speaker003:] Oh it was sort of banana shaped. [gap] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah. Yeah. Right. Or with exterior designs. But my question is, I mean the stereotypically speaking, you kind of picture males with their remote controls, and I'm not sure how they'd feel about having fruity logos on the outside. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] So maybe we could have something that's somewhat removable, or I don't know, different options for female, male target groups. And then the spongy feel. I guess we could look at mobile phones and other technology that's out there. C and look at different types of material that [vocalsound] might please our users who want spongy-feeling remote controls. So that's that. [speaker001:] So possibly like a uh, [speaker002:] Alright. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] sorry, just to butt in for a second. Possibly uh like a cover like they have for mobile phones? [speaker004:] That's what I was thinking yeah. [speaker003:] Those like, yeah, sort of spongy ones. [speaker001:] You have one with a flag, and one with a banana and one that's a spongy [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah. So when you buy your remote you can buy [speaker001:] feel to it. [vocalsound] You can [disfmarker] [speaker004:] various coverings. [speaker001:] Mm various covers. [speaker003:] What's it called? Cust you [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Personalise your remote. [speaker003:] personalised, yeah. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] We could leave that to the cover department. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] We all know they've got nothing to do all day. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Okay. Why can't I see the [disfmarker] crazy. Um yeah I [disfmarker] talking about the interface concept and how the customer relates to, will use the, consumer will use the actual device. Um so I've looked at some of the stuff I was sent, um, try and get some inspiration. But keep in mind that our own ideas that we had. Um I was sent some information from the company saying that they, the technology department have devised a new speech recognition technology, where you can program questions into such devices. They gave an example of a coffee machine where you program a question, you program the answer, and the machine responds accordingly. Um okay. There's different ways of a user can use products l like a remote. Um there's a graphical use, where you you look at pictures and well on a screen. A command line where you obviously type things in, and you get a response. Um and then it ju that's just to point out the sort of inconsistent u sort of use of interface in remotes. You can't really see that picture well, but there's various different remotes, once again with lots of different buttons on, making it more complicated. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] So, then I had a look at new products that are on the market. Not necessarily remote controls but ones that you'll recognise. Um this is the voice, there is a voice recognition remote control, which can control mus multiple devices. I have a [disfmarker] there is a picture [gap]. You surf your favourite channels uh with your voice. Store up to eighty speech samples, controls four devices, TV, cable, satellite, VCR, DVD and audio. And you can record your own v verbal labels, that are connected to remote control functions. So the technology is there. Um the one on the left is very similar to what we drew up on the board in the previous meeting, where there [disfmarker] has scroll down functions on the side. You can sort of just make those out. And then on the right is obviously an iPod, which is you know possibly one of the simplest things to use out there, and really is, and all that is is just a a nice big scroll menu that y you sort of go through. That is a [vocalsound] possibility. And nothing's simpler really. Um then there's things like this, which is a a a kid's remote, where the the parents have the facility to control and program what children can watch before. So the remote control it o only allows them to access the channels that their parents want them to watch. And um it means that th children have a novelty of having their own remote control. So I don't know [gap] if there's a possibility of having one remote contr you know like we just had two components, maybe it can have more components you know, different remotes. Um the point made at the end there here is that you have to be sort of be [disfmarker] need to be clear on your um devices, as to what, you know, things you use. Sometimes an arrow pointing down, which may suggest volume down, could become confused just as a V for volume. Just little things like that, which would need to be made clear in the design. Um I think, d carrying on from what I've already said, a user friendly remote with minimum buttons. Maybe we've so suggested this two-part thing, where if it was to have a speech recognition thing, you could maybe control that on the [disfmarker] do it [disfmarker] or program all that on the control bit. And then just have the simple sort of hand-held thing that we sort of devised earlier, as the actual remote. Um I don't [disfmarker] it could be a graphical display, the actual remote contr the actual control port maybe could have like an iPod where you just sort of control through the menus. Stuff like [gap] gets more and more compli complicated. And then the the hand-held bit should be ergonomically designed. And that is it. Why am I [disfmarker] Oh yeah. Just [gap]. [gap] Where are we? Uh. Just to sort of show you. M [gap] they've even got things like that. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Huge things. Which is just [gap] for your gr ninety year old grandma yeah? [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] That's industrial design for cranes, stuff like that. [speaker003:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Notice the giant dog bone shape? [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Dunno. [speaker003:] And that [disfmarker] yeah. [speaker002:] Makes sense, makes sense. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Also good for animals. [speaker003:] Yeah. See. [gap] things [gap]. [gap]. Why's my screen crazy? [speaker002:] Uh [disfmarker] Well let's see. I'm going to bore you with a couple of descriptions of the interior. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Just to to make it more obvious what we have to fit in there, and that we do have to fit the stuff in there. I've more information on possible materials um as well. What we can and cannot do. Um but let's just wait for this to load up and I'll show you what we're talking about here. Okay. The details of the components' design, as you can see there, what we have is the board, main board of the remote control. [vocalsound] The underside, that's pretty cheap piece of of technology really [gap] top left side you can see the chip, which is the, what we were talking about, this was is the device to recognise the signals the input, and it passes it on to a row of um further transistors and stuff like that on the right side that actually amplify the signal, which later on is being, is being transferred to a infrared lamp which then um of course shines infrared light onto the television which then will recognise what signal um it's getting and will do what you tell it. Um [disfmarker] So much for the the workings of the of the uh remote control itself. [vocalsound] Its job is to wait for you to press a key, then to translate that key press into infrared light signals, um that are received by the television. When you press a key um you complete a specific connection. The chip senses the connection and knows what button you pressed. It produces a morse code line signal specific to that button. Right. Pretty clear. Transistor amplifies the signal and then sends the m sends the signal to the LED which translates the signal into infrared light. The sensor in the TV can see the infrared light, and seeing the signal reacts appropriately. This is the circuit board from the other side. Um the lower part of it, I don't know if you can see that properly, with the green greenish board is is what we what we saw in the first the first slide just flipped over. Um you can see the circuit board itself. That's the cheapest uh way to make electronic connections basically on the market. Um what you do is you have, don't have cables, but you have the connections actually in these in these lines on the on the board. These are the actual keys that are being pressed. They close the electric circuit. That then sends the signal to the chip on the other side. That would be behind here. Um which uh sends it over to the transistors and all that stuff that [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] amplify the signal and all that is being sent to the infrared lamp up there. Now as you can see this is the the rubber button version of it. [vocalsound] Um the way it works is that you have the keys here. The rubber button has a little metal uh plate on the other side, which closes the circuit here. And thus gives on the signal. Now this is the simple version. [vocalsound] Um we are talking um this this the simple and cheapest version at the same time. We are talking something more complicated of course, it's going to be more expensive as well. And not only that. Um we are also restricted in the use of our outer shell, or in the material that we could use for our outer shell. Um [vocalsound] I've gotten some information that we could use for the case material plastic, rubber, as well. Um rubber that is used in these anti-stress balls. So it's pretty squishy. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Spongy? [speaker002:] That would that would serve that purpose. Um [vocalsound] we could also use wood, or titanium. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] What's the approximate per hundred thousand for the titanium? [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Oh fya [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] I don't have an information on that. However our company [vocalsound] obviously can provide us with uh with the titanium, so I assume, I'm, I was given an okay to use it. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] It certainly is an expensive material, I'm aware of that, [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] but I was given an okay. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] But there are certain restrictions to certain materials. Now let's first go through the list with the materials. So we what we can use is plastic, rubber, wood and titanium. Can also mix these. Um as for the energy source, um we were talking about that shortly in the other meeting. Um what we could use is, or what I was offered, or what we could use, is a basic bateer battery. Right? Uh a dynamo. Interestingly enough. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Um we could use solar cells. Or a device that was not n not further specified that provides kinetic energy. Such as like watches you know. Where you just move them m move the the actual device and this pr uh provides it with with uh some energy. So um obviously I personally have to say that dynamo is out of the question really. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] You don't wanna wind up your remote control before you can use it right? Um solar cell is interesting. [vocalsound] May fail though, every here and there. [speaker003:] Would you have to leave it by the window? [speaker002:] Mm. Yeah [speaker003:] [gap] yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Or you know you lose it, it lies behind the couch for a week [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] and [disfmarker] yeah mm. Always the [disfmarker] you [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Works well in Arizona but in Edinburgh not so [disfmarker] [speaker002:] But [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Y probably not yeah. [speaker002:] exactly. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Um the kinetic energy thing um might work, um but the same problem. You leave it lying around and you first have to shake it before it it starts to work. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] So I'd say what we're stuck with really is um the basic battery. Which also makes a base station basically obsolete. We don't need that then. Um [disfmarker] However our interface options are push-buttons. In which uh in the production of which or in manufacture of which um our company is expert. Um [disfmarker] However we've discussed that scroll wheels are a better option. And they are possible. We have an okay for scroll wheels. Okay. Um however [vocalsound] when it comes to the scroll wheel of the iPod I've one big objection and that is that we have to fit an LCD into the remote control as well. This however may exclude certain um materials. If you have a squishy uh kind of remote control, then an LCD screen may be affected by the movement. Hence we might not be able to put it in there. So um [disfmarker] There's also restrictions [vocalsound] to, when it comes to the chip. If we have a more sophistic uh sophisticated scroll wheel rather than this very basic uh set-up that we that I've just presented, um the chip has to be more s more sophisticated and thus more expensive as well. I don't have any details to, when it comes to the cost but um it will be a significant difference. I'd rather say drop the titanium and therefore let's have a more sophisticated chip, but that's not up to me to decide really. [vocalsound] So that's for the for the scroll wheel. Um it limits our choice and squishy is hip, so I'd say rather not go for for that. Let's see now. Um um solar cells cannot be used on a curved or latex um surface or um remote control. But obviously that's not our problem um since we have decided or against solar cells, I assume right? [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker002:] Or is anybody still [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] No I think I think batteries are probably the way to go. [speaker002:] alright. [speaker004:] No. Hmm. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Alright. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Uh which makes it very conventional but therefore traditional I assume. Um [disfmarker] Um [disfmarker] With the titanium um we cannot make it a curved design. We would just be able to make it flat and and um yeah a straight design pretty much. Which I assume would exclude uh some of the more sophisticated versions. [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Would the sort of [vocalsound] spongy and the the plasticky thing [disfmarker] y you can get those mobile phones that initially have a [disfmarker] it is plastic but then they have sort of a a s a cover on it which is just sort of soft and stuff. [speaker004:] Mm. Like a covering. Yeah. [speaker003:] So I don't know if that would still be possible to have you know [gap] in plastic. But then where do people hold it? Just all be sort of spongy. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] The we can have the fruits and vegetables on the spongy parts, so they can remove it. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] So you [vocalsound] as the the possibility of having a a graphical display on it, like a screen? Like the iPod? [speaker002:] You can have an LCD screen. Um but therefore no rubber will be used. [speaker003:] Right. [speaker002:] Alright? So plastic yes, titanium yes, but this will of course influence the form. With plastic, as I understand it, you can use any form. Um latex is tricky. Or rubber and um and titanium also seems to be tricky when it comes to the form. So the way to go is if you want a scroll wheel you either make it flat and angular, uh add an LCD screen, and um then you can basically choose either plastic or titanium. [speaker003:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Or wood even. Um if you wanna make it a particular shape, use plastic. Add an LCD screen, add a scroll wheel, that'll be fine. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Or make it just push-buttons. Basically plastic gives you the b biggest variety of of options. Maybe not the nicest feel. Or not much originality really. [speaker001:] So the ru wait the rubbery [disfmarker] we can shape it however we want? Or the rubbery we cannot? [speaker002:] [vocalsound] With rubber we could uh sh pretty much shape it the way we wanted it, [speaker001:] 'Kay. [speaker002:] but we cannot add scroll wheels, and we cannot add an LCD screen. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker001:] Mm. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] That's the tricky thing. [speaker003:] Could we not you know have a shape with a scroll and the screen, and then j just sort of that initial shape we had, just which is uh sort of banana-esque. So that's [gap] thing if we did it yellow. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] And um you know you just p stick on just sort of rubber things that that sort of grip the thumb bit. They wouldn't have any [disfmarker] they're just on the exterior. They wouldn't be necessary to the actual shape of the thing. [speaker001:] Is that an option, a plastic shell with a rubbery coating on at certain spots? [speaker002:] S Certainly can be done yes. Um yeah. if that doesn't affect the functional side of it all. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Like say just the underside or so then it can be done. I assume. Yeah. So [disfmarker] [vocalsound] The fruit design um [disfmarker] How about um affecting the surface of the actual um remote control? Say we don't make it p a particular fruit shape obviously, [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker002:] but uh give it like the surface of an orange, banana, whatever. You name it. [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker001:] What about a smell? [speaker002:] Just design-wise. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] T [vocalsound] to the remote? [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Mm. Nice one. [speaker003:] You could just sell it in different colours as well I suppose. In different ye yellows. [speaker004:] Bright citrus colours yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker003:] I don't suppose we have to stick to co [speaker002:] Well we we're supposed to stick to the company colours though, [speaker003:] Stick to the colours yeah. [speaker004:] Oh yeah. Yellow and grey. [speaker002:] that's yellow and grey. [speaker001:] Yellow and grey. [speaker002:] So what have we, lemon, banana, is [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Mm grapefruit. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Grapefruit. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Grapefruit is what we'd go for, when it comes to the outer appearance perhaps. But [disfmarker] mm. [speaker001:] I would say, if I were to make a decision, I would probably put the fruit aspect at the lower lower end of the spectrum of of importance. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah. [gap]. [speaker001:] Um [disfmarker] [speaker004:] I think having a shape could be a little ridiculous, [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] like [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Well we have it banana-shaped already, kind of. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Well we kinda do yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] So [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Well perhaps the implied shape will be enough to lure that fruit-minded remote buyer. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] And if it's yellow? [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [gap] [vocalsound] and if it if it was done yellow, which is a company colour. [speaker002:] Right. [speaker001:] It's it's yellow. It's curved. [speaker002:] I it's yellow. [speaker004:] Grey buttons yeah. [speaker002:] Well so why not add a couple of grey stripes and make it look like a banana? [vocalsound] [speaker001:] It's sort of [vocalsound] couple of couple of grey stripes. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [gap] We could put the grey stripes on the bottom so that that person could turn it over. [speaker003:] On the the gr the rubbery grips could be grey. [speaker001:] It would look like a banana just sitting on their table. [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] There you go. [speaker001:] Rather than [disfmarker] [vocalsound] rather th [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] It could [disfmarker] and then you could actually h put the banana-shaped thing on the fruit bowl, on the coffee table, [speaker004:] Oh. [speaker003:] and then people would always know where it was. [speaker001:] Maybe the holder, if we were to have a holder, it could be shaped like a fruit. [speaker004:] Nice. Could look like a fruit bowl. [speaker002:] It could be an ape. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Could be, [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker001:] it could be an ape or a fruit bowl. we could have a variety of options here. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] 'Kay. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Do you have more to your presentation? [speaker002:] [vocalsound] That's pretty much it. I informed you about the materials, what the interior has to look like, and what the limitations to certain materials are on [speaker001:] Oh. [speaker002:] [disfmarker] there you go. [speaker001:] Okay. I'm gonna plug in here real quick. [speaker002:] Sure. [speaker001:] If I could. [speaker002:] Hang on. There you go. [speaker001:] Like I said we have to make a decision on a couple of these items here. Um [disfmarker] ow. Ow. [speaker004:] So is the two piece idea out? Or have we not decided? [speaker003:] Well we sort of [disfmarker] [gap] rid of that because [gap] gonna use a battery. And the base station might not be necessary. [speaker004:] Oh right okay. [speaker002:] Well we can still design a two-piece uh remote um without having a base, having one of them be a base station, [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] but just have it be an optional either big remote with lots of functions, or you take out the smaller piece. [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker002:] We can still do that. However [vocalsound] of course this would be like designing two remotes pretty much. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] So um which then, as I understand it, would probably limit the, limit again the the the use of certain materials, because they would be too expensive. Say like have a scroll wheel and uh on both of them, or have an LCD screen and so on so on. [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker002:] You'd probably have to stick rather with a just traditional rubber button design which we saw there. [speaker004:] Mm. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] But could be done, of course. [speaker001:] Okay. Uh so these are the decisions that we do need to make by the end of this meeting. Um for our components concept we need to come up with the energy source, um the chip-on-print, and the case. Probably case um material. And probably a shape also. Um and then for the user interface concept we need to decide what the tape, what, what the type is. And what kind of supplements we'll have. Um [disfmarker] [vocalsound] Energy source I think we've, I think we've decided batteries, although not exciting, are probably our best bet. [speaker002:] Right. [speaker001:] And we have five minutes. [speaker002:] Okay when it comes to the chip-on-print, as I said, the the more advanced features you want, um the fancier the chip has to be and the more expensive. Uh if you want just a normal button version, the chip-on-print is gonna be [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker002:] a cheap one. Right? [speaker001:] 'Kay. So [disfmarker] Um I guess we should pick the case then. If we go with the plasticky case, or the the plastic case, um then the chip-on-print is still kind of, we could have either or. We could have a complex one or a a non-complex. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] But did we decide that the rubbery feel was important enough to us? [speaker004:] Well what about what you said, like putting the [speaker003:] Just [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [gap]. [speaker003:] just maybe [disfmarker] [speaker004:] finger grips just on top of the plastic? [speaker003:] yeah. Just a little bit of [gap]. [speaker001:] Okay. So we would, we would have the LCD screen? [speaker002:] [gap] as long as the pla uh the rubber is nowhere near the controls, yes. [speaker001:] 'Kay. So I guess the case would be plastic, with [disfmarker] Perhaps that's not even enough rubber to qualify as being part of it. It's more of a su it's more of a supplement maybe. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] [gap]. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] M more of a l lamination perhaps. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] So then for the scroll, are we going for the iPod type? [speaker003:] Yeah I think so. [speaker004:] Yeah? [speaker003:] I think [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Which will require a more expensive chip-on-print right? [speaker002:] Yes. It does. [speaker001:] 'Kay. So [disfmarker] I guess that, is that, is that about it? So we have a good idea of what we're gonna need to to do on this? [speaker002:] Right. [speaker001:] Um okay so we will have another meeting in thirty minutes. Um [vocalsound] [disfmarker] Here's what's gonna be going on. Um [disfmarker] Um Ryan you'll be working on the user interface design. Um [disfmarker] Manuel you'll be working on the look-and-feel design. [speaker002:] Right. [speaker001:] Corrine we'll want a product evaluation. And the two of you get to play with the uh modelling components and uh [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] maybe and and get us a prototype. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Which should go along well with your look-and-feel design and your interface. So that [vocalsound] basically [gap] just be working on the prototype, [vocalsound] uh we'll accomplish your other two actions. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Alright. [vocalsound] Okay. Let's do it. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound]

[speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] So in last meeting we have discussed the conceptual design and we asked you to prepare a prototype for the for the remote control. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] So [gap]. [vocalsound] So let's see the [disfmarker] what did you prepare. [speaker002:] Yeah, so can you go out to the shared folder? Mm the shared folder. [speaker001:] Sh share folder for th your presentation? [speaker002:] Yes. We have a presentation. [speaker001:] Because I have here [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Uh [disfmarker] [gap] So I got the participant uh three. W uh [vocalsound]. Three. It's the final design, yeah. [speaker001:] Okay just one [gap]. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] S so so I discussed with Guillaume. [speaker003:] Mm. [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker002:] Right. [vocalsound] And uh [vocalsound] so we have [vocalsound] [disfmarker] and we we are both agreed on some two versions of the prototypes, because we were no not decided whether we wanted to have an LCD or not because it's too expensive. So we come up with two versions. One with and one without LCDs. Um but both comes with a charger and then detachable and uh or [gap] control module. And detachable big buttons for all people um. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] S okay so I'll show you the the two prototypes [vocalsound]. [speaker002:] So [vocalsound]. [speaker003:] Here we have the first one with the beautiful uh LCD um display. You you can s here. And you can uh just um browse into the the navigation menu by uh joystick joystick-like uh button. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker003:] You can uh choose the direction and if you just push on it it's considered like a enter function. [speaker002:] Mm. Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] You have on the mm on the side here the microphone for the [vocalsound] for the speech recognition system here. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] And here the the switch that control if you want [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Why you why you you put it in the the side? [speaker003:] Well I I I think uh it's the [disfmarker] [speaker001:] It's not a good place maybe [gap]. [speaker003:] Yeah but [disfmarker] [speaker002:] No i i it's the all around camer uh microphone isn't it. The the microphone picks up the speeches from anywhere. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Is it an only a single mic or a microphone array? [speaker003:] Well so it's a microphone array. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Oh it's very costly, microphone array [vocalsound]. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] No it's just a single microphone, [speaker002:] Yeah [vocalsound] [speaker003:] and you [disfmarker] I I think uh we we put it here because I think when you when you are browsing your LCD you will be close to [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker003:] well it's better to to to place it here th than here, for instance. [speaker002:] Yeah [vocalsound] yeah. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker003:] And here is a little switch that control if you want the the speaker uh recognition system to um to be on or off. And uh so this remote control comes up with its charger. [speaker001:] How much does it cost this one? [speaker003:] Well this this prototype is um made for about uh well fi fi fifteen fifteen dollars [speaker002:] For the [disfmarker] Yeah. [speaker001:] Fifteen dollars? [speaker003:] [vocalsound] fifteen dollars, but uh well it's not it's not uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Ah it's above it's above the budget. [speaker003:] yeah, but uh it's just a prototype and if we uh if we optimises the um the uh [disfmarker] voila. [speaker004:] The cost would be le reduced. [speaker003:] Yeah the [gap] and the the production costs we we can achieve uh about ten dollars. [gap] [speaker002:] Mm. Hmm. [speaker001:] How many b battery is there? [speaker003:] How many, excuse me? [speaker001:] Battery. [speaker003:] Well uh f battery, we use uh about uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Is it n the two AAs batteries in it. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] AA rechargeable batteries. [speaker003:] Rechargeable of course, [speaker002:] Yeah rechargeable batteries. [speaker003:] because we have the charger. [speaker002:] We have the charger so it's no problem. [speaker003:] Yeah and you just [disfmarker] [speaker001:] So one one battery? [speaker003:] On uh yeah one battery. [speaker004:] Is that two or one? [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] It's kinetic reserve. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Actually uh it's a flexible thing. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] You just n uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Now what is the whole day rating for that? [speaker003:] The [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Whole day's rating. [speaker003:] excuse me? [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] What type of battery? [speaker003:] Oh yeah it's just a r uh simple battery a rechargeable uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah yeah. [speaker003:] if you uh like it's exist. [speaker004:] Something like a two A, A three size batteries? [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Yeah [vocalsound]. [speaker003:] So and if you want to charge the battery you just put the remote control like that to plug in the the charger [speaker002:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker003:] and uh leave it uh alone, it's alright. [speaker002:] Mm. [vocalsound] At uh [vocalsound] yeah. [speaker003:] Then the next time you pick it, oh [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] it works [vocalsound]. [speaker002:] I forgot to tell you there is only a single button there, [speaker003:] Yeah just explain the button uh Norman. [speaker002:] b this button [disfmarker] yeah alright. This button is like the mouse [disfmarker] is like a joystick, [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] you can move in three hundred and sixty degrees of direction so you can make a turn and it [disfmarker] the additi functions associated to all the actions you ma you have a click you have a double click all in a single button [vocalsound]. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] You can move up, down, left, right, or you can do a swing. So a swing to the left, a swing to the right defines other functions. So even though it's a single button, but it is pretty s flexible because of the three hundred and sixty degree movement [vocalsound]. [speaker004:] And the LCD is this one, on the remote? [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yep. [speaker002:] This is the version y that comes with LCD. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Here I present another version without the LCD. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] I think it's not a good idea because after maybe one or two months of function is [gap] getting destroyed. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] If you [speaker002:] Uh okay this is new prototype uh [vocalsound]. [speaker003:] Yeah it's [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [gap] [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] So we have the the second version also with the different uh button configuration. The second version is also simpler, we d uh we had just uh I have to put the microphone also [vocalsound]. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah yeah. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] So basically th it's the same uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Uh-huh and also the switch. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] yeah [vocalsound]. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker003:] Basically it's the same uh things uh uh as uh I presented before. But here we have uh we have uh four buttons for navigation. Press one button uh acting as a a enter button. [speaker002:] Mm. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] So um yeah according to what you said it's more robust to the user. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] And uh it's also cheaper to produce. We can produce uh such remote control for about uh four dollars. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] No four dollars, it's [vocalsound] [gap] good. [gap] [speaker004:] And I think you forgot a point here to have an button to find the charger, [speaker002:] Oh no th actually th we'll come to that point in our [disfmarker] [speaker004:] because that's a major that's a [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah it's it's it's embed in the uh speech recognition system. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Okay and if you disable speech recognition system then? [speaker003:] So [disfmarker] [speaker002:] W w I'll I'll come to that point later on. [speaker004:] Mm hmm hmm hmm hmm hmm. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] so Norman will explain to you [vocalsound]. [speaker001:] And we will we will serve the charger with this? [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker003:] Yeah yeah of course mm [gap]. [speaker002:] Th they [vocalsound] either these with the [disfmarker] uh the the charger any [speaker001:] With the remote control. [speaker002:] in either versions you they they ha they use the same charger yeah. [speaker001:] Okay so the price of the charger included in the [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Uh it's a standard module so you should get it for a cheap price uh [vocalsound]. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] Thank thank you [vocalsound]. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] And so mm-hmm. [speaker002:] It's that same charger that you can use for the hand-phone but uh again depends on the types. I think we have to investigate more on that, but [vocalsound] [disfmarker] [speaker001:] The price should be below twelve and a half Euro. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah. Yeah [speaker001:] Well that's [disfmarker] so [disfmarker] [speaker002:] but as the Marketing Manager says, people is willing to [disfmarker] people are willing to pay more for good design. [speaker004:] Yeah people are willing to pay more, [speaker001:] We have we have just [vocalsound] [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] but the company is not willing to invest more at the moment. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] The price of selling is twenty five Euros. [speaker002:] Yeah. Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] And the price of production [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Alright please uh go on Norman with the special features [vocalsound]. [speaker004:] Or uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah we'll we'll come up to that, the the the thing that makes this the controller cheap is that it is modular so you want more function you pay more. If you want less function i i if you want a reasonable price you pay for the functions that you add on to the system, [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] so is uh modular. [speaker001:] That's for this basis function and if you want more you pay more. [speaker002:] Yeah yeah, [speaker001:] [gap] [speaker004:] Something like customised. Yeah [speaker002:] for example the LCD, you can take it you can put it [disfmarker] put it back in, or you can use the other one, [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] or [vocalsound] the speech recogniser with the microphone yeah yeah. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] You want a microphone to put in the [vocalsound] speech recogniser you don't wan you pay less for the system you see [vocalsound]. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] Mm hmm hmm hmm. [speaker001:] [gap] [speaker002:] So [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Hmm okay. [speaker002:] It's pretty flexible in the yeah price [vocalsound]. [speaker003:] [gap] You also have the the the two other modules for the parental control [speaker001:] But [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Uh yeah yeah you should present that. [speaker004:] And this is other one? [speaker003:] that that you ca you can add up [vocalsound] to the [disfmarker] to your remote control [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] i i if you uh if you want to to have more more power on what you do, and uh which channel you want to choose and so on. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker003:] H here is just the the the module for the kids and th if the parents want to watch TV, up [disfmarker] they come up with their modules, [speaker004:] Mm hmm hmm hmm. [speaker003:] they just plug in it [speaker002:] Yeah [vocalsound] [speaker003:] and they can have all the control they want here. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker003:] We also have this module for uh old people with big buttons, clearly labelled, [speaker002:] Hmm. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] and it acts like the previous one, [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] you just plug in and it works. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] the i the idea the the conceptual idea is that simplicity and powerful. Simplicity meaning that we have few buttons, powerful is that all the controls with [vocalsound] the one you saw we saw earlier in the meetings with lots of buttons n but here you only have few buttons but you retain the mm the same powerful functionalities. But in addition with simplicity. So that's the best idea, the cond that that's our uh an innovation um uh i in this uh design here [vocalsound]. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Okay now we come to other important features that I did not tell you. The first one is the speech recogniser, again it's detachable or add-on. And then we also have security feature for example this here [disfmarker] oop [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] it's very robust [gap], it doesn't break and the material, what's the material again? [speaker003:] The titanium and so it's very uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Titanium. [speaker002:] Again uh and the battery life is uh is an is an endurable one, again because this is AA batteries you can choose the types of battery you want. [speaker004:] Yeah that's fine. [speaker002:] Lithium-ion may be a good one, but you can replace it with cheaper one, again you pay for what you get, and then um y the other p points are robust and misplacement reminder. So when you finish watching your TV [vocalsound] and you the you t you turn off the TV, uh and then there's this message coming out that uh please put that back to the charger, so so that's the [disfmarker] or is it [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker002:] that's the reminder part. Yeah and um [disfmarker] And it also use a programmable channel and vocabulary, so we didn't define the vocabulary so it's up to the user to define [speaker004:] Mm hmm hmm hmm. [speaker002:] so [disfmarker] sorry? [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] And then uh because of the chil because children are using the device so we have also a a [gap] of TV programmes by genre, and this can be used by the adult or by the children. So instead of choosing the channel you are choosing the TV contents of the night. So it's pretty powerful, and that's that's why the num buttons are reduced, because of this feature. Yeah. And [vocalsound] and for the materials that is cheap to produce I think uh it's quite clear from [disfmarker] yeah [vocalsound]. [speaker001:] [gap] [speaker002:] And also like the [gap] and the fancy designs yeah. Maybe we can improve more on the design but [vocalsound] [speaker001:] What what's [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Maybe yeah. What's the price to p to produce? [speaker002:] [disfmarker] uh this is the [vocalsound] [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Well so the price to produce [disfmarker] For uh the simplest one, say we start from four dollars to produce such a device. Uh it's about it [disfmarker] [speaker001:] With with with the charge? [speaker003:] The [disfmarker] without without the charger [speaker004:] With the charger? [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] Yeah [vocalsound] [speaker003:] it's about uh well two dollars to produce uh the microphone and speech recognition systems. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Two dollars for the uh for the add-on modules, and finally three dollars for the charger. So if you uh sum up uh everything wi with the LCD [vocalsound], which costs two dollar, you have two plus four plus four plus two plus two. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker001:] We don't have charger. [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] I think we can use Excel [vocalsound]. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] It's about [vocalsound] [disfmarker] [speaker001:] We don't have all the options [vocalsound]. [speaker003:] so the total cost if you if you want all the fuct functionalities will be about uh fifteen dollars. [speaker001:] Charger we don't have charger here either. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker001:] No it's [speaker003:] But it's just if you want all functionalities. [speaker001:] it's below the the the budget. [speaker002:] Yeah [vocalsound]. [speaker003:] Excuse me? [speaker001:] It's below the bu the budget. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah it's a nice input [speaker001:] We [disfmarker] [speaker004:] but we have an other inputs from the l public demands. [speaker001:] [gap] [speaker004:] I think we will just have a rough look and then we can make our statements, and we can finalise the product based on this discu [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] I think we can just go to my presentation then. We can wind up. Or we could uh come to some f uh final conclusions. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] So the marketing made an evaluation criteria and these were some of the findings, and uh in the market the people are not really interested with LCD, without LCD, with speech recognition interface, or without speech recognition interface, but most of the people what they are interested is [disfmarker] first thing is, they want to have an fancy look and feel, it should be very fancy with colourful and uh very handy to hold. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] And the second thing is it should be much more technologically innovative. [speaker002:] Mm. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Of course in that we could put LCD or recognition to be more technologically innovative. And the third one is easy to use. [speaker003:] Well I think that the technical in innovation is is in the product itself [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker003:] since we haven't yet a remote who are allowing to to choose interactively with the TV screen uh uh with just four buttons. [speaker004:] Okay and if we go to the next slide, here you can find [disfmarker] these are the latest fashion updates, and so this [disfmarker] in Paris and Milan [gap] they have detected this trends that the this year it's going to be an year of fruit and vegetable, so people are really interested to see if they have an remote in the shape of the fruit or a vegetable, or whatever they like. [speaker002:] Spongy spongy. Mm mm. [speaker004:] So I think it should be much more customised to make a different uh shapes. [speaker002:] Mm [vocalsound] mm. [speaker004:] And the second thing is, and if the material, they really do not want it to be very hard, as in the case of very pl plastic or titanium, it should be somewhat spongy. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker002:] But the the problem is that uh [vocalsound] [disfmarker] is it robust to mishandling? We have [disfmarker] you should find a material that is robust at the same time spongy [vocalsound]. [speaker003:] A sponge. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah so uh [vocalsound] so finally we have these three criterias. [speaker002:] Spongy [vocalsound]. [speaker004:] One is fancy look, second is innovative, and third is easy to use. [vocalsound] So these are the f uh three criteria on which we are going to build our remote. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] So [disfmarker] and we have an evaluation criteria for each one of these, [speaker003:] Hmm. [speaker004:] say that we have a seven point scale, from one to seven, [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] and for each of the product you could just give me the scale according to this. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker004:] So now you have with LCD and without LCD, [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] so on this scale, if it is true, if it is [disfmarker] if it has a fancy look you could just tell me one, [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker004:] or if it is false, it doesn't [disfmarker] it looks uh [disfmarker] it doesn't look much fancy, then you could just tell me seven. So [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] So [gap] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] We can make our study on this and [disfmarker] [speaker002:] so is the e evaluation depending on us or other users? [speaker004:] No no we have [disfmarker] you have designed two products now, [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] one is with LCD and without LCD. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] But who will give the scoring uh we ourself or or a third party? [speaker001:] You. [speaker004:] According to you, no according to you designers, how will feel [disfmarker] does it uh with LCD and without LCD? [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker004:] Okay let us make this L and without LCD. On on this scale the LCD remote control. How do you look [disfmarker] how does it look? [speaker002:] Mm. Mm. [speaker004:] D is it very fancy or doesn't look much fancy? [speaker003:] Well it doesn't look much fancy I'll I'll say three or four. [speaker004:] And you both agree for that? [speaker001:] And you? [speaker002:] [vocalsound] I think we can improve on the design. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Som someone um commented this is like a the stone age uh [gap] [vocalsound] design. [speaker003:] It's it it [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Um we have been focused all all this [vocalsound] time on the [vocalsound] on the technical aspect, functional aspect, but also the simplicity. [speaker003:] Technical aspects. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] As for the design maybe we c should hire a designer to help [vocalsound]. [speaker004:] So I take three on [disfmarker] with LCD? [speaker003:] Yeah a three. [speaker004:] So without LCD how would you rate it? [speaker002:] Yeah [vocalsound]. [speaker003:] Uh four. [speaker004:] Four. [speaker003:] I think it's it's uh more easy to make f fancy things when it's not complicated so removing the LCD um gives us a li more liberty to to have a fancy look. [speaker002:] Yeah. [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker004:] And in the sense of innovativeness, with LCD. [speaker003:] Well it's it's the same for both so [vocalsound] I will give a five, six. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Mm. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Five with LCD and [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Well five also uh [speaker002:] Yeah [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [disfmarker] Norman please. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Uh [vocalsound] [disfmarker] [speaker002:] from the innovation aspect I feel that uh what is most innovative of our prototype compared to the existing prototypes that we saw l in the last meeting is that um [vocalsound] the retrieval of TV programmes by content, because uh that is really innovative, and for now [disfmarker] and another innovation we have is simplicity and [disfmarker] simplicity, few buttons, we've uh [vocalsound] [disfmarker] A lot of functionalities. [speaker003:] With lot of functionalities. [speaker004:] So without LCD? [speaker002:] So that is uh that is uh for both th Our gi I think that the our our product is uh has the best in all [disfmarker] well this is a biased judgement [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] No no [speaker002:] because we designed them. [speaker004:] according to design aspect we want to know how would you feel the innovativeness? [speaker002:] Yeah. [vocalsound] Uh the innovation is v is very high I think. [speaker004:] With LCD. [speaker001:] For LCD. [speaker004:] And without LCD? [speaker002:] Both. [speaker003:] Mm for both it's the the same innovations. [speaker002:] For both. It's the same innovation. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker002:] So maybe I can put six to seven. [speaker003:] [gap] six, let's go for six. [speaker001:] Without LCD. [speaker002:] Both. [speaker004:] No actually uh to make it with LCD you make more efforts. So I [disfmarker] there is high innovativeness included if you make it with LCD y [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] then when it is without LCD there is not much innovativeness. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] Uh no innovative yeah. [speaker004:] So we can't go [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Uh uh uh there w there was a there was a issue here is that what are what is the display on the LCD? [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Talk about [disfmarker] [speaker002:] We haven't really uh determined [vocalsound] what are [disfmarker] actually actually [speaker004:] I mean that what you are sayin that's what the design [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] it's good to have a LCD but what are we gonna display on a LCD? [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] No it's like this, [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] I mean on the LCD, according to what I understand from your model is, you have a joystick here, and you have LCD, you just press your joystick, you get here a programme. [speaker001:] So let's remove it. [speaker002:] Yeah? Yeah. Yeah but [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah [speaker004:] Uh then [disfmarker] [speaker003:] but you have the same programme on the TV screen. [speaker001:] But [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yes exactly. [speaker001:] This is the problem. [speaker004:] No on the TV you don't it doesn't display on the TV now. [speaker003:] If you have the LCD, [speaker004:] LCD? [speaker003:] but if n [speaker004:] Then uh there is no meaning in having it on the TV. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Or then again you have a channels, volume and all the stuff and what a [speaker002:] But you cannot display all on a LCD. [speaker004:] I mean that depends upon your design, so [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Anyway for for the users who who who opt for LCD [vocalsound] we'll give them the give them the LCD, [speaker004:] I mean [disfmarker] [speaker002:] we give what the customer uh wants, right. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] So without LCD you want to put it fi the same level of innovativeness? And which [gap] do you recommend e easy to use, with LCD or without LCD? [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Well I think both are really easy to use because there are few button buttons, [speaker002:] Yeah [vocalsound] [speaker003:] and uh well t p the menu are clear, well-organised, so [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker003:] Well with little knowing of the technology you can you can easily use the product [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] so I will give a six for the easy to use. [speaker002:] Yeah I think [disfmarker] sorry. [speaker001:] No it's just if I I see the the f the rate I think it's better to do it without LCD. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Because that's with LCD just will increase the price, [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] and I thi i they have the same rate so without LCD it will be [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Or we can just go back to the previous slide uh where we ha we have a few updates. So I mean in the product design you could just amend it to make some few changes [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker004:] according to fruit and vegetable or a spongy touch [speaker002:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] without LCD and without speech recognition. Even then our product is going to be very good. [speaker003:] Yeah, it's cheaper to produce. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Mm. [vocalsound] S [vocalsound] [speaker003:] And uh if the the [disfmarker] well if we have less technology we have more liberty to uh for the shape and uh things like that so [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah that's right. [speaker002:] Yeah. I have another thing to say about the easy to use aspect. I think the easy to use uh aspect is different for different people. [speaker003:] Yep. [speaker002:] For the young generation easy to use may be very complicated [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] because uh they w they wants lot of controls with lots of buttons. For kids they want simply the [gap] s similarit for the old people they want simplicity, [speaker004:] Yeah yeah that's right. [speaker002:] so that's why [vocalsound] we have the parental module. Uh we can ha have [disfmarker] build a more complex design if if they want it, but but uh what I'm trying to say here is that the um [disfmarker] we have different sets of buttons for different kinds of people. So in terms of easy to use I think it's very user customisable. User customisation is very important yeah. Yeah [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] so [vocalsound] [disfmarker] [speaker004:] So without LCD I just take it five? [speaker003:] Six. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] W uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Or you want it to be six? [speaker003:] Um six. [speaker002:] I think it's the same. Yeah. [speaker003:] Yes as you say, with better uh [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Without LCD. [speaker004:] S s oh I think it's better to have this without LCD. [speaker003:] [disfmarker] yeah. And to improve the the look. [speaker004:] As our Programme Manager s Pro Project Manager says that without LCD it is going to reduce the cost also, [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] and it's going to be much simpler to use. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker003:] Yes and to give us more liberty to have a fancy look so [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] so let's go back to our laboratory and [vocalsound] [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] To improve on the design. [speaker004:] So. [speaker001:] What a what what about the sys speech recognition? [speaker002:] Huh? [speaker001:] [gap] what about the integration of speech recognition? [speaker002:] The speech recogniser is a add-on module. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Right? [speaker004:] That's going to be an optional. If somebody wants to buy it they can have it, otherwise no. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Ah so it's optional with the [disfmarker] okay. [speaker004:] It's an optional. [speaker003:] It's optional yeah, since well according to this study uh people more [vocalsound] likes more to have a spongy uh [vocalsound] remote control than [disfmarker] [speaker001:] I think it will be [disfmarker] I think i [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] I think it will be better if we have all these modules in the same remote control, because maybe parents will lose these uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah, but I mean if you have an add-ons, the kids may just uh hide the parental module [speaker001:] Yeah. Or ma yeah. [speaker004:] and so that their parents can't use it [vocalsound]. [speaker001:] Or maybe parents they can for forget where they put it or, [speaker003:] [gap] [speaker001:] so mayb better if you have all this in the same [disfmarker] [speaker004:] In the same set, yeah, [speaker001:] [gap] [speaker004:] and and individual buttons to make them work. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] The problem is if i we are bla if a customer wants a certain component, and doesn't want the parental control because it's a couple who do not have children [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] [disfmarker] [vocalsound] when you sell the product in the market you could meet any kind of people, and not all people will need all the functionalities we propose to them. So we might lose the customer because of this. I don't know, what do you think uh? [speaker001:] So you mean that even if these modules will be will be functional [disfmarker] uh will be optional. [speaker002:] Yes exa what do you think, I don't know. You are Marketing Manag [vocalsound]. [speaker004:] I mean how to how to how to make a marketing survey that uh how many married couple [disfmarker] or how many couples have a TV [speaker001:] Uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] or to the number or singles who have a television. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] So based on that I think [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah. [vocalsound] But the the question is n does those modularity increase the production cost or decrease the production cost? [vocalsound] [speaker001:] I think it inc increase. [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Well you can [gap] [disfmarker] if you had uh something li [speaker001:] I think it i increases. [speaker003:] Oh no, because if you if you add uh something [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [gap] [speaker003:] well yeah maybe because it's three different pieces uh to to to build but [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Hmm. [speaker004:] But you can make it on a single PC with three different options. [speaker003:] Yeah yeah yeah [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] it's I think it's cheaper if you if you already built the all the [vocalsound] functionalities um on the same module, but uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Mm. [vocalsound] Mm. Yeah. [speaker004:] On the same PCB [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] yeah yeah. [speaker002:] Well well the other aspect is that if [vocalsound] in the [disfmarker] when they have the ar existing product you you gonna maintain the the [disfmarker] you're gonna keep the same customer, because the same customer will come back to buy other add-ons. [speaker004:] Yeah that's right. [speaker002:] So so [disfmarker] [speaker004:] I mean you could just provide with an optional [gap]. [speaker002:] Yeah i i so if don't don't buy now they can buy i in the future. So in in that way you're actually keeping the cus the same customer, attracting them to come back in again and again. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] So it's something like a Microsoft product [vocalsound] update. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] And and we we we we we we don't want that. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] We're not trying to follow the Microsoft and we don't want to the m [gap] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Updates and we sell it. We make updates and sell it [gap]. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yeah well if the buyers can be up the th would be [disfmarker] can be upgraded, it would be a good thing right? [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah, it depends on the v production. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] And uh what's the idea about uh the shape of the remote controls? Uh can they be made into a fruit and vegetable types? [speaker003:] Well so [disfmarker] Yeah yeah [speaker004:] Do you require different types of PCBs and [disfmarker] [speaker003:] I think we are [vocalsound] [disfmarker] yeah but we are also the um well the components will have to change because uh we have to deal with the shape and um [disfmarker] but I don't think it will uh increase the cost too much so [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker004:] Or uh it could be like this [disfmarker] the PCB would be the same for all, but only the exterior uh shape is different o for all. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker003:] Uh well but it's a bit complicated to [disfmarker] if if if you need machines to [disfmarker] different machines to um ah well [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah. What we can change is to propose the [vocalsound] customers with skins. For example the i the mobile phones nowaday, they sell different kinds of skin [speaker004:] Yeah, yeah that's right. [speaker002:] and then people just feel that oh I have a new skin and looks better. [speaker003:] Yeah yeah we can have the same global shape [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] and then uh add on skins and with with this uh tex spongy texture uh things like that. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah that's right. [speaker002:] Yeah. [vocalsound] Yeah you can pl in what material would that be in uh? [speaker003:] Sponge. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] I think you need to look into the material. [speaker002:] Yeah or furry like a pet dog kind of thing [vocalsound]. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah yeah. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker001:] So [disfmarker] [speaker003:] So we finished the prototype uh presentation if you have uh something else to say. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] I think the Project Manager would be interested to look about the financial issues in making these models. [speaker001:] [gap] Project evaluation project satisfaction, for example. I don't know, we have to ask these question. We have to give answers so [vocalsound] [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [gap] I suppose that you [gap] this criteria, is it? [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Project evaluation. [gap] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Room for creativity. This room is a bit small, but [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] but I think it's okay for us to work with. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] I feel it's fine, we know we don't need uh [disfmarker] I think it's okay. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah mm. [speaker003:] That was good. [speaker004:] This is fine for making a presentat for project presentations. [speaker002:] Mm. Yeah anyway we have the laboratory nearby to build our modules so it's okay. [speaker003:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] And the leadership was excellent. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah I think so [vocalsound]. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Good job [vocalsound] good job. [speaker003:] Fine yes uh [vocalsound] [speaker001:] He gave you the liberty to talk as you wants [vocalsound]. [speaker004:] Yeah that's right. Yeah that's right. [speaker001:] Uh the teamwork was very very good. [speaker003:] Very democratic. [speaker001:] I was really [disfmarker] I am very satisfying to work with with you. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Thank you [gap] [vocalsound]. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Thank you [gap] [vocalsound]. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Oh [gap]. [speaker003:] Alright. [speaker002:] Alright. [speaker004:] And new ideas found. Any new ideas to make these presentations more interactive and more interesting? [speaker002:] Mm. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Come up with new product [vocalsound]. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] I mean uh what type of product would you think [disfmarker] could we make this more interesting? [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Less fancy. [speaker002:] Mm we [disfmarker] I I know something, we need more cakes, more biscuits on the table while we have meetings. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah and also more well uh [vocalsound] more seriously I think it's it's a good idea to have uh clear clear points whenever we do a meeting [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Mm. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] uh prior to the meeting to have uh well a list with the points who will be discussed or things like that, but I think it's alright. We achieved uh project goal I think. [speaker004:] Yeah that is within the budget. [speaker001:] De [speaker003:] [vocalsound] It's w [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] yes, more or less. [speaker004:] And the evaluation was [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Without without LCD, without speech recognition, it will be simple. [speaker004:] Yeah that's right. [speaker003:] Yeah but [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Alright. [speaker004:] And the next is celebration. [speaker003:] So. [speaker004:] So [disfmarker] [speaker003:] So uh coffee machine. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Alright then, we finished? [speaker001:] Yeah [vocalsound] free free coffee [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker001:] Yeah thank you for your work and [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah thank you, thank you very much. [speaker002:] Thank you very much.

[speaker004:] Oh right okay. [vocalsound] I cover myself up. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] I feel like Madonna with one of these on. I said I feel like Madonna with one of these on. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [gap]. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] I've always wanted one of these, I really have. [vocalsound] Where do you buy 'em from? [vocalsound] They're [gap]. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Right. Hello everybody. [speaker003:] Hello. [speaker002:] [gap]. [speaker001:] Back again for another wonderful meeting. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Is uh everyone ready? [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Almost. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Okay, we c we can hold on for a minute. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Oh my gosh. [vocalsound] [gap] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] I figured with the spam thing, if you can't beat it, join in. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] That's the kind of spam that everybody likes to receive. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Mm 'kay. [speaker001:] Are you ready? Okay, right, well, I take it that you are all ready now. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Um alright first off we'll just uh recap from our last meeting. Um [vocalsound] which was we got together just to basically decide on [disfmarker] well to talk about what it is that we were actually uh supposed to be doing, [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] and who we all are and stuff like that, mm get bit more of an idea together of what's going on. [vocalsound] Um what we are gonna talk about in this meeting is um now that we know what it is that we are doing, now we know that it's a TV remote and stuff and you guys have just been off doing some some uh R and D for that, that's research and development for those that haven't heard that before, [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] see I'm learning all sorts of new technologi terms in technology today. Um yeah, we're gonna hear your uh th three little presentations, [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] whether they be on computer or on the whiteboard or whatever you want. [speaker003:] Hmm. [vocalsound] Do you have any preference uh of order? [speaker001:] Um I'd like to um hear [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] o I'd like to hear who's g who's on the um from from uh Catherine actually first. I want [disfmarker] what I'd like to hear about is uh if we've finally decided on um what sort of energy we're gonna be using and [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Batteries. [speaker003:] I think she is still finishing her [gap]. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] No no no no, it's fine I'm just preparing. [speaker001:] It's just that [disfmarker] yeah, let's let's hear from you first. [speaker003:] Hmm. [speaker002:] Okay. Where is that thing? [speaker003:] Okay, it's uh [vocalsound] [disfmarker] [speaker004:] It's here. [speaker002:] Oh sorry, couldn't see. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Would that work? [speaker001:] Get yourself in position. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Okay, so that's me again. [speaker004:] Ah. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Um so um for the energy sources we can have a basic battery, a hand dynamo which is [disfmarker] which was used uh in the fifties for torches, if you remember that kind of [disfmarker] which wouldn't be v wouldn't be v v [speaker001:] I don't think any of us remember the fifties. [speaker003:] Is it like a crank thing or something [gap]. [speaker002:] yeah, yeah. It wouldn't be very fancy. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] You can have a kinetic provision of energy, which is used on some watches these days. So if you have just a bit of gentle movement that [disfmarker] it will give it the energy to work. [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker002:] Or you can use solar cells, but I'm not sure about that indoors, really, but [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Well, there's sometimes combinations, I mean, like calculators do combinations of battery with [disfmarker] but also using some solar power. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Do [gap] sol solar panel things, do they have to work from the sun or can they work from a light bulb? [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker002:] I dunno actually. [speaker001:] Does anybody know? [speaker003:] Uh I think, it has to be on the on the solar energy, but I don't know. [speaker002:] I dunno. Um. Think the the uh what would cost the less would be the basic battery, really. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker002:] And uh if we want something fancier, I think the kinetic provision of energy could be nice, but I don't know if it's worth the cost. So we've got to discuss that. [speaker001:] Mm. Okay, jolly good. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] For the case of the remotes itself, um they can be a general case, which is just a flat one. You can have uh a curved one or a double curved one, if you know what I mean, so [disfmarker] [speaker001:] What's a double curved one? [speaker002:] You know, kind of more ergonomic, that kind of suits the palm of your hand, that kind of thing. So [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Um then the case material itself, so it can be uh uh either plastic or latex, uh rubber, wood, or titanium. And th for each of them you have uh cases where [disfmarker] for example titanium, you can't use it for [disfmarker] if you if we're choosing a double curved case, we can't choose titanium. And if we are choosing um solar cells then we can't choose latex for the case material, so we just have to take that into account. But if we're choosing just the flat case then we can go for anything. And I think we discussed earlier on the R S I problem thing, so we could uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] So that might be an idea of using the rubber, [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] but then it should, you know [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Let's have a squeezable remote. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. And also it doesn't break as easily maybe, I dunno [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [gap] when a TV programme's got one [gap] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] watching the match and [gap] your team's just lost, you can fuzz it across the room and it'll bounce off the wall back at you. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah, I like that idea. [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker002:] So rubber would be [disfmarker] Okay. [speaker004:] I think rubber's [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Rubber, we're all we're all going [disfmarker] we're all liking that idea? You think you can market that? [speaker004:] But after my after my fashion thing, I think you'll realise that rubber is more [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Uh s so if d [speaker001:] Ooh, we like rubber, ooh. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] People. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] okay. And then there are the push-buttons, so you can have basic push-buttons or a scroll-wheels, like you have on a mouse, um or you could have um LCD, which gives you a display. Um scroll buttons, as well. [speaker001:] Uh-huh. [speaker002:] So if you use a rubber double curved case, you must use rubber push-buttons. So if we're going for rubber then we have to decide for the case. Um and if we choose double curved then we have to go for rubber push-buttons. So it's a constraint. [speaker001:] Well, we're gonna go with [gap] I think we've decided that it's gonna be a rubber case so [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah, but is it a double curved one or not? [vocalsound] If it's not a double curved, then we've got the choice for the push-buttons, if it's a double curve, we've gotta go for rubber push-buttons. If that makes sense. [speaker001:] [gap] push buttons instead of the wheel? [speaker002:] Yeah. [gap]. [speaker003:] If it's rubber, isn't it malleable anyway, [gap] it doesn't matter if it's double [disfmarker] I mean isn't a rubber case, mean it's completely flexed, I mean, it it flexes to whatever they want it to? Mean so what's the difference between a normal rubber case and a rubble doub double [disfmarker] rubber double curved case? [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [gap] rubble double double. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] No, but na le you see, you've got, okay, the energy that's one thing, [speaker001:] I'll have a Big Mac, please. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] then you have the case is uh, whether it's flat or curved. And that's [disfmarker] [vocalsound] we don't care if it's rub rubber or not, but then we've decided that we going for rubber for the case material. So if we've chosen rub rubber and if now we have the choice for the case whether it's flat, single curved or double curved. And I'm just saying if it [disfmarker] if we choose it to be double curved then we need to go [disfmarker] I dunno why, but we need to go for uh rubber push-buttons. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker002:] So, either [disfmarker] I dunno we just need to decide on the on the case. [speaker001:] Let's have rubber push buttons, hey. [speaker003:] Okay. Go rubber. Go rubber the whole way. [speaker002:] Let's go crazy. [vocalsound] And then, do I have a last slide? Yes, I do. Um so the push-buttons themselves they can be just simple or they can be [disfmarker] so that's just the electronics between the but behind the push-buttons. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Um and the price that go with it with it, so the simple push-buttons are gonna be the cheapest. Uh if we get a scroll-wheel, that's a higher price range. If we get an advanced chip which is um used for the LCD, the display thing, then that's even more expensive. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Simple, yeah. Chip on print. It's a bit [gap]. [vocalsound] Okay, uh what I'm not understanding here [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] is uh, okay, advanced chip on print, which I presume is like one PCB and that's got all the electronics on one board including the um infra-red sender? [speaker002:] [gap]. Yeah. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] The infra-red. Yeah. [speaker001:] Right. Um what a what alternatives do we have to that? [vocalsound] Y um [vocalsound] what alternatives do we have to the chip on print? [speaker002:] Well, if if it's not chip on print then, I guess, you get different chip components, and you build them separately and doesn't include the infra-red. It's less expensive mm [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] so it sounds [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Technically speaking, it's not as advanced, but it does the job, too. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] So, why would we not go for that? If it's something that's inside the the unit. [vocalsound] I it doesn't affects whether the customer's gonna buy it or not. [speaker002:] Fo It doesn't, yeah, yeah, yeah. Totally. Yeah. [speaker001:] Um we wanna go for an i i all [vocalsound] [speaker002:] So let's not go for the [disfmarker] [speaker001:] so long as it works, [speaker002:] Yeah, yeah. I agree. [speaker001:] you know. So let's not let's uh not bother with the chip on print. [speaker002:] So it's either um the scroll-wheel or the push-buttons. [speaker001:] Yeah. S yeah, push buttons. [speaker004:] What about the just developed uh sample sensor? [speaker003:] I think push-buttons is [disfmarker] [speaker001:] What about what? [speaker004:] G there, the sample sensor, sample speaker thing. [speaker002:] Well [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Well, what do we need a speaker for in a remote control unit? [speaker004:] Mm, I dunno. Be cool. [speaker002:] It'd be it'd be cool, but they are saying they've just developed it, [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Channel two. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] I'm just guessing. But it's gonna be the most expensive option, probably and [disfmarker] [speaker001:] S [speaker003:] Th the the [vocalsound] speech recognition um option is [disfmarker] it doesn't seem really very promising for us uh, [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] 'cause uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] It's not something that we wanna t go into with this product. [speaker003:] The yeah the example that they're already using it for is with the coffee machine, where, basically, you can program a sample wi um [disfmarker] That when you say something it will give a response, and you program the response as well. Just uh clips of tha that you record yourself. So you can program your coffee-maker that when you say, good morning, to it it says, hello Rick, or whatever. [speaker001:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] But, I mean, it's not [disfmarker] it would be one thing if it was speech recognition where you say something and it turns the TV on like, turn the TV on, and i turns [disfmarker] comes on, [speaker002:] Hm. [speaker003:] but it's not that. It just gives you [speaker004:] Oh, it just gives an answer. [speaker003:] a it just gives you a verbal response. So, yeah, I mean, like what's the point of saying, Hello remote, I mean, hello, how how are you? [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Oh, then then [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah. Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] I thought I thought it was [disfmarker] when they said [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Just if you are really lonely, maybe. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah, if you're really lonely, it is it's [disfmarker] [speaker004:] I thought when they said, voice recognition, they meant um like, [speaker002:] Channel five. And then it switches on. [speaker004:] channel five, and it will change. [speaker003:] No, tha that w that w that would be more promising. [speaker004:] Like you talk to it. Can I have channel five? [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] It it's just a remote that talks to you. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Uh. [vocalsound] I mean to certain cues. [speaker004:] Oh, then [gap] forget about it. [speaker001:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker004:] Oh right okay. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Okay, so I'll go back, maybe, to the previous slide and we can decide for each problem, what we should choose. So for the energy source, do we go for the battery or the [disfmarker] [speaker003:] 'Kay. Yeah, I'm fine with the basic battery. [speaker001:] Basic battery. [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker001:] It's cheap, it's cheerful, it's worked, does work. [speaker003:] Hmm. [speaker002:] Cheaper option. Are you happy with that? [speaker004:] Mm. Yeah. [speaker002:] Okay. So we'll go for the battery. Then the case, do you want it flat or curved or sing or double curved? [speaker001:] We were go we were going with the late with the the RSI rubber, weren't we? [speaker003:] Yeah, so we want it rub rubber double curved. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] The the [gap] [vocalsound] [disfmarker] [speaker004:] So it will look like something like this. [speaker002:] Double? [speaker001:] The double whopper, please. [speaker002:] Okay, so then if we use double curved case, then we have to u choose rubber push-buttons, [speaker001:] Yep, but [disfmarker] we're going for the simple buttons. [speaker003:] So rubber rubber keys, yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] and that's fine? [speaker001:] And it's cheapest all round, it sounds kinda funky, and we can also market it [speaker002:] P [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] as i 'cause we were s saying earl you were saying earlier in your research that um the the people have the R [disfmarker] people were getting the [disfmarker] complaining about RSI, and this is anti-RSI. [speaker004:] [gap]. Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] So that's another marketing point that we can use. [speaker004:] Well the rubber push-buttons [gap]. Don't you have to move your [disfmarker] [speaker001:] But anything is gonna have buttons. [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker001:] Even if it's a jog wheel, it's still repetitive. [speaker002:] I thought they would give an option of flat buttons or a [disfmarker] [speaker001:] You [disfmarker] You see, you can still get [disfmarker] it does you still get repetitive strain injury, whether you are pressing a button or pressing a flat bit of screen. [speaker002:] That they don't. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] It's the v it's the fact that you are pressing the same [disfmarker] doing the same movement. [speaker003:] [gap]. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] It's not actually what you are doing. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] But the fact that this this rubber i is actually used in these anti-RSI ps specific [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Mm. Yeah, the rubber's good. [speaker003:] Yeah. We're giving them a way to burn off steam, basically, yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah, so they can sit there and go like [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Not that watching TV should be that stressful. [speaker001:] And you know, yeah, you can fuzz it across the room and throw it at throw it at your children [disfmarker] yeah. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Oh yeah, I guess TV can be stressful, yeah, if you're watching sports. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Alright, that's me done. [speaker003:] Alright. [speaker001:] Okay, Gabriel. Let's um let's let's hear from you about the um it's [disfmarker] the interface. [speaker003:] Alright. Yeah, some of what I have to say ties into what Catherine was just talking about. [speaker001:] Great. [speaker002:] Sorry. [speaker003:] Okay, so I'm continuing with the user interface uh topic. And so basically I consulted with our manufacturing division. It sounded like Catherine was also speaking with them. Uh I also took uh Reissa's marketing findings from the last meeting into consideration um, 'cause I think that's that's crucial as far as uh what keys we're going to inc inclu what buttons we are going to include and and how they're laid out. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker003:] Uh and so the manufacturing division uh sent some some samples of of uh interface components that we might be interested in using that have been used in other products, uh like the coffee machine. So I already mentioned the speech recognition interface. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] I guess, we we basically vetoed that idea. It's it's pointless. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker003:] Uh it's just a sample sensor sample output. It would just be probably the most expensive part of our remote without any actual interesting functionality as far as operating the TV. Uh so yeah, they they also give the uh [disfmarker] they they suggested the idea of using a spinning wheel like you use on the side of an MP three player like iPod. [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker003:] Um so we've already addressed that and I think that would actually be worse for something like RSI I mean you got that thumb movement that you're constantly doing. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Mm. That does get annoying. [speaker003:] Um the other suggestion, and I I have a feeling that we're interested in in something more general, but they suggested uh, you know, going i a little bit into a a niche, like either gearing our remote towards kids, where you could have [gap] lot of colours um, the keys might be you know, funny or or [gap], or uh something for the elderly, where the remote's very large and the buttons are very large and there's only a few buttons. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] But you know we can we can discuss this, but it sounded like from our last meeting we really wanted something that was general, but done well. Uh [gap] um [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] So, the key layout and design are really crucial. You don't want uh you want people to be able to quickly access the buttons that they use a lot without uh always pressing the wrong one um. And I didn't mention that we need a power button [gap] in our last [disfmarker] I can give you an example here of uh, [gap] good layout and bad layout [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] uh from our manufacturing department. So this would be an example of bad layout, where you have volume up and volume down, but they have a V on both of them, so uh [speaker001:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker003:] it's sort of confusing for the user. Uh this is the example of the giant remote that's impossible to lose. [speaker001:] Do we have an uh example of a good one? [gap] [vocalsound] Brilliant. [speaker004:] Uh-huh. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Well [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] And for [disfmarker] something for kids. Yeah. Um. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] And so, yeah, I th I think my personal preferences of [disfmarker] we've all kind of talked about and seemed to be on the same page um. Uh so I was against the speech recognition and against going uh towards anything in in a niche sense. I think it should be more general. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] I didn't I didn't think the spinning-wheel or the uh LC display were were crucial for us. And, yeah, that's it for me. [speaker001:] Okay. Well let's um [disfmarker] so w what are our definite decisions on this then as a team? The um [disfmarker] The the um the interface type we're going for [disfmarker] [speaker003:] So we're [disfmarker] we're not gonna have any sort of display I think uh. [speaker001:] Just the simple s simple straight set of buttons. [speaker003:] So, yeah, it's just gonna be just gonna be push-buttons. Um. I think we shall have a limited number of buttons, ideally, I mean a a power, channel up, channel down, volume up, volume down, and a numerical keypad. [speaker001:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker003:] Uh. And some sort of [disfmarker] it will either have a a lock button like we mentioned or or a cover or something like that. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] I guess it's to the point where we need to decide about that. [speaker001:] Okay, and we're not [disfmarker] yeah. [speaker003:] Well now that we've decided on our [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [gap] Are we gonna hav hav [disfmarker] an [disfmarker] are we d [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] have we decided on whether w we're gonna s supplement it with anything, you know, colours or particular gimmicky bits to it, we're not we're just gonna go for something [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Um it seems like we wouldn't wanna make it too busy and too sort of gaudy, [speaker001:] We're [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Maybe we can [disfmarker] [speaker003:] but um [disfmarker] Yeah, I would say mayb maybe a couple of colours like uh like a black with with yellow and somewhere, like maybe the RR can be yellow, or something like that. [speaker001:] Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Okey-dokey. Yeah, I don't have any other questions on this. Let's move over to [disfmarker] [speaker003:] I I guess [vocalsound] the fact uh also that we are having a rubber case uh would prevent us from having the cover function that we thought of before. I mean, 'cause uh s so if we wanna have a lock of some sort it would have to be a button. [speaker001:] Yeah, sure. [gap]. [speaker003:] But I think that should be [disfmarker] I mean um, I can speak with the button department, but uh I think that it should be easy to have a button that just prevents prevents the other uh the other buttons from operating. [speaker001:] Yeah, the button that just does that, yeah. [speaker003:] So that should be simple. [speaker001:] Cool. [speaker004:] Right. Well, I'm just basically letting you know what's happening in the markets [speaker001:] Mm yeah. [speaker004:] and what the fashions are for next year. Um. So yes [vocalsound], so from looking at this year's trends and fashions [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] and also recent investigation that we've done in the remote control market, we have found that for the remote control market [vocalsound] these are like most important aspects like that we really need to [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] which we've already probably discussed. Um [vocalsound] the most important aspect is look and feel. So the remote control has to look and feel fancier than the ones that already [disfmarker] that we already have. So it has to be [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah, why should people buy this when they're already got a remote that came with the TV? [speaker004:] Yep. Exactly. [speaker003:] Mm. Yeah. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Um second, uh it should be technologically innovative innovative. So [disfmarker] [speaker001:] What's that mean? [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Technologically it should be like um work, basically, I guess. It should work. [speaker003:] Well it should be it should be maybe cutting edge in some sense, [speaker004:] Should [disfmarker] [speaker003:] I mean have something that's little more technologically advanced than what's on the market. [speaker004:] That's new. [speaker001:] Okay, [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] now the trouble is is we've already decided that we're going with the stuff that works already, that's cheap. [speaker003:] Yeah. Yeah. Actually, I mean, these first two points we've already sort of gone away from, [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] 'cause our rubber one is not fancy [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] I mean it's different, but I wouldn't say like a rubber remote is fancy. If that's what people want then we [disfmarker] maybe we're going in the wrong direction. And it's it's not technologically innovative either. [speaker004:] So, [gap] no loose [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Maybe we could um [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker004:] That's why I was thinking, Bluetooth, 'cause if you like put up Bluetooth, and it's like a Bluetooth remote control, everybody's gonna like, oh, 'cause Bluetooth is the in thing nowadays, like it really is [vocalsound], like people [disfmarker] and um when it comes to marketing like that's what people go for, they don't really care whether, you know, at the end of the day whether it works properly or not. [speaker001:] Of course, they do. [speaker004:] Well, they do, but it's like it's not [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] One hundred per cent, that's your first thing, you go, oh I'm not gonna buy that, 'cause I dunno if it works or not. [speaker004:] Yeah, but it looks good. If it looks good and it's [disfmarker] it can just be there for decoration. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Okay, well, what do you two think about this? [speaker003:] So is is the advantage of Bluetooth that you can just like synchronise it with other [speaker004:] But like [disfmarker] [speaker003:] electronics? [speaker001:] Yeah, what [disfmarker] I don't understand what m [speaker004:] You could always insert, yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah, that's basically what it allows you to do, right? [speaker001:] Yeah, and it [disfmarker] this is just gonna [gap] [disfmarker] all this is being used for is your television. [speaker004:] Yeah, but, I mean, people like [disfmarker] [speaker001:] It would [disfmarker] that would mean you'd need a television that has Bluetooth in it, which no no television does, [speaker004:] Well, if you're looking at [vocalsound] [disfmarker] if you [gap] looking at something that's going to be bought by people, you have to make it new, you have to make it state of the art. [speaker002:] Well [disfmarker] [speaker001:] does it? That would mean we'd have to make a television as well. [speaker002:] Bluetooth would, for example, enable you, I think, to um um connect [disfmarker] for example you if you get a w call on your mobile phone, but your mobile phone is downstairs or something, you would get on your television you're being called by this person right now. Things like that. [speaker001:] No, that would be your telephone [gap] in with your television. [speaker003:] Yeah, the [disfmarker] that wouldn't be the remote so much, [speaker002:] No i [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yeah, [speaker003:] I mean [disfmarker] [speaker002:] No, but if you get Bluetooth on the remote, you'd be able to [disfmarker] [speaker001:] and i Nah, the televi the television would have to be a Bluetooth compatible, basically. [speaker002:] I with the television, yeah. [gap] I was just trying to find an advantage. [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker002:] Wha what w what advantage would you get for the [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Well, it doesn't [disfmarker] [speaker001:] An and there is no there is no such thing [speaker004:] Like it doesn't have to be, you know, Bluetooth, that was just an idea, but like it needs do something that, you know, is new. Whether it's a battery [disfmarker] it could be something really really minor, you know, like [disfmarker] but I think we are really keeping to what is already out there, and people've already seen it, people've already got it. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] If we want something new, we need to move away from what we already have and um just go creative. [speaker002:] Maybe the kinetic mo provision of energy then. It's been done for watches, but I haven't seen that for remotes, yet. [speaker001:] Okay. [vocalsound] Yeah, this [disfmarker] that's that's very good. [speaker004:] And then you can market it. Never have to change a battery again. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Change the batteries ever again. [speaker001:] And and this is all tying in very nicely. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] The fact that it's made out of this rubber, we can throw it about. Th we should encourage people to throw their remote controls about, because it charges itself up by doing it. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah, well, and in little characters you say, yeah, but not too much. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yes, so can [disfmarker] [speaker004:] I think, safety s [speaker001:] But yeah, by the squeezing it the [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah, we can make the squeezing of the rubber be the be the generating [disfmarker] like the energy generator. [speaker001:] Yeah, that's a great idea. Well done. [speaker004:] Yeah. Third most important aspect [vocalsound] uh is it's easy to use. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [gap] we're all about that. [speaker004:] And I think we've all um worked that out. Um okay, in the fashion, how it's supposed to look. Next year's fashion i very much in fruit and vegetables are thm are like the theme for cloths, shoes and furniture. [vocalsound] So next year people will be buying [vocalsound], I found this really funny [vocalsound], you know, strawberry shaped chairs, [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Okay, so we could have keys that are like a b like a broccoli key and a uh and an avocado key on them. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. Rubber things. [speaker001:] I wanna watch the pineapple channel. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Um [vocalsound] and as it's rubber the feel which is in this year is spongy, so it's it's not quite spongy, but spongy, I would say is [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [gap]. [speaker001:] Well spongy, that's where [gap]. Yeah, we're we're ahead of the game there. [speaker003:] Yeah, that's great for us. [speaker004:] yeah, so we're in. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah. And so personal [gap] what I was just saying like move away from the current remote controls uh like the look and the feel of the current ones and change the look and feel, while still keeping to the company's image, basically. So yeah. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] [gap]. I had to say [disfmarker] So we're moving in the right direction like [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Right. [speaker001:] Alright, yeah, no, this i this is good, [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] so through all that we've [disfmarker] we go we're [disfmarker] right, we're gonna go go back to um going with the kinetic thing, [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yep. [speaker003:] Yeah, that's great. [speaker001:] that's great, using the spongy rubber that we were talking about that anti-RSI you can [disfmarker] as you squeeze it you are not only therapeuticising yourself, you are charging the batteries [vocalsound], [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Mm. [speaker001:] and um I'm not sure about the buttons being in the shape of fruit though. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] No vegetables. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah, I don't know how we incorporate [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [gap]. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] We don't have to follow every trend, I guess. [speaker004:] Maybe make it like fruity colours or something. Some sort. [speaker003:] Uh-huh. [speaker004:] Or [disfmarker] [speaker003:] The power button could be like a big apple or something. [speaker004:] Mm. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Well yeah, but Apple would sue you for that. [speaker001:] Yeah, this is true [gap]. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] They don they don't own [vocalsound] all images of apples. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [gap] sued the Beatles so [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Okay, we'll make it a uh pomegranate, a big pomegranate. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Well, okay, it seems like the only thing that we haven't really finally um agreed on is its image. [speaker003:] [gap]. [speaker001:] Like, yeah, we're we're saying no we don't want it to be fruit and vegetables, but we dunno what it should be, or like are we going [disfmarker] yeah it looks slick, but what do what do we mean by slick sort of thing? [speaker004:] Well [vocalsound] [disfmarker] I think, if it's rubber it needs to be [speaker001:] I mean you said earlier on i [vocalsound] it should be funky. [speaker004:] different. I think, it's [disfmarker] it should be [disfmarker] I mean, what do you associate with rubber? You know like [speaker001:] [vocalsound] L keep it clean, keep it clean. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] really different colours basically. Okay, sor I sorry, I used the wrong word, [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] what do you associate with the mate the material [vocalsound] that material? [vocalsound] Um [vocalsound] [gap] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Um like I'm just thinking bright colours. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Bright natural colours, nothing too [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Bright, but not too bright. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Bright, but too [disfmarker] not [disfmarker] yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Like no lime green or bright yellow or bright pink. Wanna make it different colours so [vocalsound] anybody can choo like like [gap] [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Like the volume buttons should be the [disfmarker] all the same colour and the d and the the channel buttons should be one colour and stuff like that, do you mean? [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker004:] Yeah. And on the back of it have the logo. [speaker001:] Okay, what [gap]? [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Sure. [speaker002:] Why not? [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] The one thing I'm wondering about, I hope that we're not going like too much down a gimmicky road of of having [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Tha Yeah, I mean we [disfmarker] that's we we [disfmarker] [speaker003:] I mean if somebody go goes into the store they're gonna see like three or four normal remotes, and then a big spongy pink t tomato uh remote. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] This is the remote control tomato. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] I mean [vocalsound] what are ninety per cent of people gonna take? [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Well [vocalsound] [disfmarker] I can say in this country, you'll get, you know, lots of people wanting something really funky and cool. Like [disfmarker] and kids will be walking in with their parents saying, Mummy I wanna buy that one. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] And uh parents will see the will see the pro as well, because it's um like kids won't break it, it's not breakable if you throw it around. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Especially with younger kids, you know they can pick it up and and [disfmarker] Yeah. The only thing is is that really small kids might chew on it, but [vocalsound] [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Well, it's it's gotta be chew proof. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah. So [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [gap] I'm gonna write that down. [speaker004:] so it's rea it's quite [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [gap] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] it's quite like um user friendly [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] and also for different families, like like family use as well, so for little kids and for old ki like teenagers will like it, I think. Especially maybe younger girls if it's in pink they'll be like [gap] pink remote control for their room something. [speaker001:] So, what are you saying, maybe we should market it in different colours for different [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] so we could do like the pink range, the blue range, the green range, the [disfmarker] [speaker002:] That's [disfmarker] yeah. [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker004:] So like you walk in, you're like, oh I like that remote control, because it's so bright, and then, and then the shop assistant comes up and says, oh what colour would you like? and then they go like, oh I can choose the colour [vocalsound] wow. So it puts, I think, even the customer into more control over what they're buying instead of, you've got all colour it's either that or nothing. So they also get to pick. Well, personally I like walking into a shop and choosing a colour. [speaker003:] Yeah I mean, that that seems to work well with for products like iPod, [speaker004:] It's um [disfmarker] [speaker003:] where, you know, you have a variety of colours, that people feel like they're customising it when they buy it, even, you know, just just by the fact of choosing. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker004:] Mm. D you've got the [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Although I'd be curious to see how many uh [disfmarker] You know, there are some colours that I wouldn I would never choose, and I would be curious how many people choose that colour. [speaker003:] Right. [speaker001:] Well that's that can be down to bit of market researching you know, [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] if that's easy enough to find out what colours are more popular. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] And produce less of the silly colours, maybe. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Okay. Alright. Well um, we'll [disfmarker] alright let's [disfmarker] what we're gonna aim to get together by the next meeting then um [vocalsound] is from you Catherine wi your y y you know you're gonna be working on the the look and feel design. [speaker002:] Yep. [speaker001:] Um Gabriel, you're gonna be working on, you know [disfmarker] come up with the the user interface design. Then basically, you two are gonna be working together on this. You won't be going off to your separate offices. [speaker002:] Alright. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker001:] Um and I think you are gonna get a chance to play with some clay. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Oh right. [speaker001:] I think, yeah, it's gonna [vocalsound] you know, [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] come up ki you know, be ab for the next meeting be able to come in and show us some some i some physical ideas. 'Cause at the moment, uh you know, it's it's hard. [speaker002:] Cool. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] We were kinda going, yeah, it's gotta feel nice, it's gotta look cool and that it's [disfmarker] [speaker002:] It is. [speaker001:] you know now we can actually start, you know, s some sort of physical something or other. [speaker003:] That sounds good. [speaker001:] Um and you're gonna be working on the product evaluation. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Evaluation. [speaker001:] Um. [vocalsound] And I [vocalsound] will be uh [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] talking to the bosses, basically, and uh [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] f fielding off some more spam and uh [speaker002:] Great. [speaker001:] that's it really. Keeping things t well, uh you know, ho hopefully uh keeping things together. Um. Yeah, that's [disfmarker] This is this is uh good. So we know for definite we know we've we've now got some definite things going on. We definitely know how it's powered, [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker001:] we definitely know that um it's gonna be a simple buttons, we're not gonna be going for the new technological chip on print expensive things, so we've we're keeping the costs down. It's this rubber casing that we can sell as um fun and funky. Don't know of any other remote controls that are made out of this stuff. [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker001:] People, you know, people are saying, oh, standard stuff gives you repetitive strain injury, well this remote control is designed to do the complete opposite, [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] It's supposed to fix it rather than cause it. Um. [gap] you know, we're gonna we we're gonna as a sort of extra something on it, you know what what extra things [disfmarker] are there extra things this product have? We'll look into this lock key [speaker003:] Right. [speaker001:] facility, although whether or not it happens, [vocalsound] or is possible, I don't know, but something to look into. Okay. I think that's um [disfmarker] well done everybody. [speaker003:] Alright. [speaker001:] Anyone have any uh any questions, everyone know what they're doing? [speaker003:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] 'Cause if you don't, you'll [disfmarker] I'm sure you'll soon get an e-mail about it. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Mm, I think we all know what we need to do now. [speaker004:] S This gives you all the details? [speaker001:] Okay. right well. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker001:] It's um we're we've still couple of minutes until our meeting's due to finish. But um [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] I got a note saying that you two who are gonna be working together [disfmarker] so bef before you all disappear off just [speaker003:] Okay, I'll stay in here. [speaker004:] [gap] [vocalsound] um. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] hold hold fire. Um. [speaker003:] Does the pay-raise immediately come into effect on our next pay-check, or is that [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Um I think, it's uh, yeah, I think, it's gonna be par part more of a profit sharing on the product. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] So we're buying fut I mean, we're getting futures in the company [gap]. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah, I think i I think that's I think that's the way it's gonna happen at the moment. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] So we really have a incentive to make this remote work. [speaker001:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker003:] I'd like to share in the coffee machine profits, because that's really doing well. [speaker001:] I want a share in the space rocket. Did you [gap] see that this k that this company [gap] we've made a spaceship. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [gap]. [speaker004:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] This company has its its fingers in a lot of different pots. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah. [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker003:] Yeah, we're definitely not in the money making department. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [gap]. [speaker003:] Well I I did notice looking at [disfmarker] I mean, they told you that they wanted whatev our product to represent the the RR brand and and to be immediately noticeable. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] I mean, if you look like at the coffee maker at the at the corporate web page, it's not obvious. [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker003:] RR. Well it is to us, because we we worked worked here for years and we use that coffee machine, but it's [disfmarker] doesn't have the colour scheme of of the of the company anywhere on it obviously it's just sil silver and black. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] That's true. [speaker001:] And the spaceship doesn't have the R [vocalsound] [gap] have a massive R and R down the side of it [speaker003:] No. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Doesn't [disfmarker] [speaker001:] but [disfmarker] I still want one. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Mm. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Okay. Um I've just had a sign flashing up saying, finish the meeting. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Uh [vocalsound]. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Right, well, I guess that's us. [speaker001:] Yeah. It's not telling [disfmarker] it's not saying do anything in particular just yet. So maybe you should go back to your own offices. [speaker003:] Okay. Right. [speaker002:] Are we taking these off? [speaker001:] Yeah. Yeah, it says you two [disfmarker]

[speaker002:] Okay Right [vocalsound] Um well this is the kick-off meeting for our our project. Um [vocalsound] and um this is just what we're gonna be doing over the next twenty five minutes. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Um so first of all, just to kind of make sure that we all know each other, I'm Laura and I'm the project manager. [vocalsound] Do you want to introduce yourself again? [speaker004:] Great. [speaker001:] Hi, I'm David and I'm supposed to be an industrial designer. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker004:] And I'm Andrew and I'm uh our marketing [speaker003:] Um I'm Craig and I'm User Interface. [speaker004:] expert. [speaker002:] Great. Okay. [vocalsound] Um so we're designing a new remote control and um [disfmarker] Oh I have to record who's here actually. So that's David, Andrew and Craig, isn't it? And you all arrived on time. Um yeah so des uh [vocalsound] design a new remote control. Um, as you can see it's supposed to be original, trendy and user friendly. Um so that's kind of our our brief, as it were. Um and so there are three different stages to the design. Um I'm not really sure what what you guys have already received um in your emails. What did you get? [speaker001:] Um, I just got the project announcement about what the project is [vocalsound]. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Designing a remote control. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] That's about it, didn't get anything else. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. Yeah, that's that's it. [speaker002:] Is that what everybody got? [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Did you get the same thing? [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Um. So we're gonna have like individual work and then a meeting about it. And repeat that process three times. Um and at this point we get try out the whiteboard over there. Um. [vocalsound] So uh you get to draw your favourite animal and sum up your favourite characteristics of it. So who would like to go first? [speaker004:] I will go. That's fine. [speaker002:] Very good. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Alright. So [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] This one here, right? [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] Okay. Very nice. Alright. My favourite animal is like [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] A beagle. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Um charac favourite characteristics of it? Is that right? [speaker002:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker004:] Uh, right, well basically um high priority for any animal for me is that they be willing to take a lot of physical affection from their family. And, yeah that they have lots of personality and uh be fit and in robust good health. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] So this is blue. Blue beagle. My family's beagle. [speaker002:] Right. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Lovely. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [gap] Well, my favourite animal would be a monkey. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Then they're small cute and furry, and uh when planet of the apes becomes real, [vocalsound] I'm gonna be up there with them. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Right. [speaker001:] Cool. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] There's too much gear. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] You can take as long over this as you like, because we haven't got an awful lot to discuss. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Ok oh [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] we do we do Don't feel like you're in a rush, anyway. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] I coulda told you a whole lot more about beagles. [speaker002:] Ach [gap] why not [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Boy, let me tell you. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] We might have to get you up again then. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] I don't know what mine is. I'm gonna have to think on the spot now. [speaker004:] Impressionist. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Can't draw. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Is that a whale? [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Um. Yeah. Um, well anyway, I don't know, it's just the first animal I can think off the top of my head. Um. Yes. Big reason is 'cause I'm allergic to most animals. Allergic to animal fur, [speaker002:] Ah. [speaker001:] so um fish was a natural choice. Um, yeah, and I kind of like whales. They come in and go [vocalsound] eat everything in sight. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] Alright. [speaker001:] And they're quite harmless and mild and interesting. [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker002:] Okay. God, I still don't know what I'm gonna write about. Um. [speaker004:] Superb sketch, by the way. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Tail's a bit big, I think. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] I was gonna choose a dog as well. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] But I'll just draw a different kind of dog. [speaker004:] Yep. [speaker002:] M my favourite animal is my own dog at home. [vocalsound] Um [disfmarker] That doesn't really look like him, actually. He looks more like a pig, actually. Ah well. [speaker004:] I see a dog in there. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Do you? [speaker004:] Yep. [speaker002:] Oh that's very good of you. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Now I see a rooster. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Uh. [speaker004:] What kind is it? [speaker002:] Um he's a mixture of uh various things. Um and what do I like about him, um [disfmarker] That's just to suggest that his tail wags. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Um he's very friendly and cheery and always pleased to see you, and very kind of affectionate and um [vocalsound] uh and he's quite quite wee as well so you know he can [disfmarker] doesn't take up too much space. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Um and uh [disfmarker] And he does a funny thing where he chases his tail as well, [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] which is quite amusing, so [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Is he aware that th it's his own cha tail he's chasing? [speaker002:] It is. I think it is. He only does it after he's had his dinner [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] and um he'll just all of a sudden just get up and start chasing his tail 'round the living room. [speaker004:] Hmm. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] It's an after dinner dog then. [speaker002:] Yeah, so uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Probably when he was little he got lots of attention for doing it and has forever been conditioned. [speaker002:] Yeah, maybe. Maybe. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Right, um where did you find this? Just down here? Yeah. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Okay. [vocalsound] Um what are we doing next? Uh um. Okay, uh we now need to discuss the project finance. Um so according to the brief um we're gonna be selling this remote control for twenty five Euro, um and we're aiming to make fifty million Euro. Um so we're gonna be selling this on an international scale. And uh we don't want it to cost any more than uh twelve fifty Euros, so fifty percent of the selling price. [speaker004:] 'Kay. Um, can we just go over that again? [speaker002:] Sure. [speaker004:] Uh, so bas at twel Alright, yeah. Okay. So cost [disfmarker] like production cost is twelve fifty, [speaker002:] All together. [speaker004:] but selling price is [disfmarker] is that wholesale or retail? Like on the shelf. [speaker002:] Um I dunno. I imagine [disfmarker] That's a good question. [speaker004:] Our sale our sale anyway. [speaker002:] I imagine it probably is our sale actually [speaker004:] Yeah, okay okay. [speaker002:] because it's probably up to the the um the retailer to uh sell it for whatever price they want. Um. [speaker004:] Okay. Mm-hmm. Alright. [speaker002:] But I [disfmarker] I don't know, I mean do you think the fact that it's going to be sold internationally will have a bearing on how we design it at all? [speaker004:] Yes. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Think it will? [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Um. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Hmm. [speaker004:] Well right away I'm wondering if there's um th th uh, like with DVD players, if there are zones. [speaker002:] Oh yeah, [speaker004:] Um f frequencies or something [speaker002:] regions and stuff, yeah. Yeah. [speaker004:] um as well as uh characters, [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker004:] um different uh keypad styles and s symbols. [speaker001:] Hmm. [speaker002:] Yeah. Well for a remote control, do you think that will be [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Um. [speaker002:] I suppose it's depends on how complicated our remote control is. [speaker004:] I don't know. Yeah. [speaker001:] It does make sense from maybe the design point of view 'cause you have more complicated characters like European languages, then you need more buttons. [speaker002:] Yeah, yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] So, possibly. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker004:] And then a and then al the other thing international is on top of the price. I'm thinking the price might might appeal to a certain market in one region, whereas in another it'll be different, so [disfmarker] [speaker002:] What, just like in terms of like the wealth of the country? [speaker004:] Just a chara just a characteristic of the [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Like how much money people have to spend on things like? [speaker004:] Just [disfmarker] Or just like, basic product podi positioning, the twenty five Euro remote control might be a big hit in London, might not be such a big hit in Greece, who knows, [speaker002:] Aye, I see what you mean, yeah. [speaker004:] something like that, yeah. [speaker002:] Marketing. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Good marketing thoughts. [speaker004:] Yep. [speaker002:] Oh gosh, I should be writing all this down. Um. [speaker004:] Right away I'm making some kind of assumptions about what what information we're given here, [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker004:] thinking, 'kay trendy probably means something other than just basic, [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] something other than just standard. Um so I'm wondering right away, is selling twenty five Euros, is that sort of the [disfmarker] thi is this gonna to be like the premium product kinda thing or [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah, yeah. Like how much does, you know, a remote control cost. [speaker004:] Uh-huh. [speaker002:] Well twenty five Euro, I mean that's um that's about like eighteen pounds or something, isn't it? [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Or no, is it as much as that? Sixteen seventeen eighteen pounds. [speaker004:] Yep. Yeah, I'd say so, yeah. [speaker002:] Um, I dunno, I've never bought a remote control, so I don't know how how good a remote control that would get you. Um. [speaker004:] No. Yeah, yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] But yeah, I suppose it has to look kind of cool and gimmicky. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Um right, okay. Let me just scoot on ahead here. Okay. Um well d Does anybody have anything to add to uh to the finance issue at all? [speaker004:] Do we have any other background information on like how that compares to other [speaker002:] Thin No, actually. That would be useful, though, [speaker004:] other [vocalsound] [disfmarker] [speaker002:] wouldn't it, if you knew like what your money would get you now. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Hmm. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] Yeah, interesting thing about discussing um production of a remote control for me is that l as you point out, I just don't think of remote controls as somethin something people consciously assess in their purchasing habits. [speaker002:] Yeah, yeah. [speaker004:] It's just like getting shoelaces with shoes or something. [speaker002:] Oh. [speaker004:] It just comes along. [speaker002:] Five minutes to end of meeting. Oh, okay. We're a bit behind. [speaker004:] Do you know what I mean? [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker004:] Like so sort of like how do you [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] I I mean one one way of looking at it would be, well the people producing television sets, maybe they have to buy remote controls. Or another way is maybe people who have TV sets are really fed up with their remote control and they really want a better one or something. [speaker003:] I know um [disfmarker] My parents went out and bought um remote controls because um they got fed up of having four or five different remote controls for each things the house. [speaker004:] But [disfmarker] Right. Right. [speaker003:] So um for them it was just how many devices control. [speaker004:] Okay so [disfmarker] Right, so in function one of the priorities might be to combine as many uses [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah. Right, so do you think that should be like a main design aim of our remote control d you know, [speaker004:] I think so. [speaker002:] do your your satellite and your regular telly and your VCR and everything? [speaker004:] Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Well like um, maybe what we could use is a sort of like a example of a successful other piece technology is palm palm pilots. They're gone from being just like little sort of scribble boards to cameras, MP three players, telephones, [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] everything, agenda. So, like, I wonder if we might add something new to the to the remote control market, [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker004:] such as the lighting in your house, or um [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Or even like, you know, notes about um what you wanna watch. Like you might put in there oh I want to watch such and such and look a [speaker004:] Yeah, yeah. [speaker002:] Oh that's a good idea. [speaker004:] An [speaker002:] So extra functionalities. [speaker004:] Yeah. Like, p personally for me, at home I've I've combined the um the audio video of my television set and my DVD player and my CD player. So they w all work actually function together but I have different remote controls for each of them. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] So it's sort of ironic that that then they're in there um you know, the sound and everything it's just one system. But each one's got its own little [speaker002:] Hmm. [speaker004:] part. [speaker002:] Um okay, uh I'd wel we're gonna have to wrap up pretty quickly in the next couple of minutes. Um I'll just check we've nothing else Okay. Um so anything else anybody wants to add about what they don't like about remote controls they've used, what they would really like to be part of this new one at all? [speaker001:] And you keep losing them. [speaker002:] You keep losing them. [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] Finding them is really a pain, you know. [speaker004:] Mm. Mm. [speaker001:] I mean it's usually quite small, or when you want it right, it slipped behind the couch [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] or it's kicked under the table. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] W You get those ones where you can, if you like, whistle or make a really high pitched noise they beep. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] You know. [speaker004:] That's just really good id Yep. [speaker002:] There [disfmarker] I mean is that something we'd want to include, do you think? [speaker004:] Uh, [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Dunno. [speaker004:] sure. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Okay maybe. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] I remember when the first remote control my my family had was on a cable. Actually had a cable between it and the TV [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] and big like buttons that sort of like, like on a blender or something. [speaker002:] My goodness. [speaker004:] And um, you know, when I think about what they are now, it's better, but actually it's still kind of, I dunno, like a massive junky thing on the table. [speaker002:] Still feels quite primitive. [speaker004:] Maybe we could think about how, could be more, you know, streamlined. S [speaker002:] Maybe like a touch screen or something? [speaker004:] Something like that, yeah. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker004:] Or whatever would be technologically reasonable. [speaker002:] Uh-huh, okay. Well I guess that's up to our industrial designer. [speaker004:] 'Cause it could b it could it could be that f it could be that functionally that doesn't make it any better, but that just the appeal of of not having [disfmarker] [speaker002:] It looks better. [speaker004:] You know, these days there's a r pe things in people's homes are becoming more and more like chic, you know. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Um, nicer materials and might be [speaker002:] Okay. Okay. [speaker004:] be worth exploring anyway. [speaker003:] Uh. [speaker002:] Right, well um so just to wrap up the next meeting's gonna be in thirty minutes. So that's about um about ten to twelve by my watch. Um so inbetween now and then, um as the industrial designer, you're gonna be working on you know the actual working design of it [speaker001:] Yep. [speaker002:] so y you know what you're doing there. Um for user interface, technical functions, I guess that's you know like what we've been talking about, what it'll actually do. Um and uh marketing executive, you'll be just thinking about what it actually [disfmarker] what, you know, what requirements it has to has to fulfil and you'll all get instructions emailed to you, I guess. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker002:] Um. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yeah, so it's th the functional design stage is next, I guess. [vocalsound] And uh and that's the end of the meeting. So I got that little message a lot sooner than I thought I would, so [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Um. [vocalsound] [vocalsound] Before we wrap up, just to make sure we're all on the same page here, [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] um, do we [disfmarker] We were given sort of an example of a coffee machine or something, [speaker002:] Uh-huh, yeah. [speaker004:] right? [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] Well, um are we at ma right now on the assumption that our television remote control may have features which go beyond the television? Or are we keeping sort of like a a design commitment to television features? [speaker002:] Th Okay, [speaker004:] I I don't know. [speaker002:] well just very quickly 'cause this [disfmarker] we're supposed to finish now. [speaker004:] Yep. [speaker002:] Um I guess that's up to us, [speaker004:] Yeah, sure. [speaker002:] I mean you probably want some kind of unique selling point of it, [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker002:] so um, you know [disfmarker] [speaker001:] I think one factor would be production cost. [speaker004:] Okay, yeah. [speaker001:] Because there's a cap there, [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] so um depends on how much you can cram into that price. Um. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] I think that that's the main factor. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker002:] Right, okay, we'll that's that's the end of the meeting, then. Um [speaker004:] Alright. [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] So, uh thank you all for coming. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Cool.

[speaker004:] Bonjour. [speaker002:] It's [disfmarker] It won't wake up. Yeah. I was a bit early. Like [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Why? [speaker002:] What? No, I just came in. Uh normally I was one of them. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker002:] Come on. [speaker004:] Check check check check. [speaker001:] Hello. [speaker002:] Why won't it wake up? [speaker001:] Oop. [speaker002:] Is it on? [speaker004:] The power light doesn't work. You turned it off. [speaker002:] But how? Ah, there it is. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] Uh. [speaker003:] I received an email with uh a few possibilities on uh the materials. So I'll discuss them with you. [speaker001:] Okay, we're just going to the [gap] later. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah, I received an email as well. [speaker001:] So we're going to talk about the conceptual model. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Oh. [speaker001:] [gap] [speaker004:] Hmm. [speaker002:] Which one was mine? [speaker001:] So that's me. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Uh okay. So [disfmarker] Uh okay. Okay, so I just show you the m the no mm mm the the the the the the minutes, minute. [gap] What's it called, I dunno. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Whatever. [speaker002:] The minutes. [speaker001:] Okay, so we just talked about uh [disfmarker] Oh you want me to show that there or [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] No, [speaker003:] Mm no. [speaker002:] just tell us. [speaker001:] Okay, we just talked about it looks. Has to look nice. Usability is very important. People don't want to spend money on something that's similar to cheaper ones. Um [disfmarker] It has to be very basic, not too many buttons. Light switches on if you use a button. Uh text TV still has to be a possibility. And it has to be easy to learn. That were the things I uh make minutes of. And the functions are volume, channel to choose channels, an on-off, a mute uh button, and a text TV button. That are the functions. That right? [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yes. [speaker001:] Okay. So I just want to give you uh Mike again, the first uh presentation of your [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Shall I start? [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] [gap] [vocalsound] No. Okay well [disfmarker] I received an email [disfmarker] Okay. I searched the web, uh and uh I searched uh on this d document, recent investigation of the remote control market. It has been done in Italy uh Italy and in uh another country in Europe, I forget it. Uh but uh they found out the most important aspect for remote controls happens to be a fancy look-and-feel, instead of the current functional look and feel. So it's very important for us to create something new. So what Michael just said, it must be uh some very different from ordinary uh remote controls. Fancy stands for an original look-and-feel of the case and interface. Uh this uh aspect is the most important one. Uh it came out of the research. It uh is twice important as the following. [vocalsound] The second uh most important aspect is that a remote control should it uh technological innovative. Uh that stands for uh uh new technical uh features. And then uh that uh [disfmarker] This is a point of discussion, because we just decided that we don't make use of uh LCD or uh speech recognition. [speaker002:] Hmm. [speaker004:] But um [vocalsound] this is the second uh important uh aspect, and I think uh we must use some of the new technology, to be uh innovative. [speaker001:] But we already have the flashing flashing light on the [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Uh maybe maybe something new. [speaker002:] Yeah, more. [speaker004:] We have to discuss about it [speaker003:] Hmm. [speaker004:] s uh [disfmarker] Okay, uh [gap] [speaker002:] Well, [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] I'll I'll get back on it. [speaker004:] features not uh do not exist in current remote controls. And that's very hard I think. Uh the third one is the aspect of the remote control should be easy to use. But uh that was an overall uh point. We already discussed that. Um I've got one picture. Uh d our our target group uh we thought about was young and trendy. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] So I took uh that part of the webpage. And it says uh fashion-watchers of uh uh Pari [vocalsound] uh France and uh Italy, yeah, uh have detected the following trends. This trends I th uh trend I think it's not um that meaningful for us, maybe. But it's about uh clothes and shoes. But the uh the next uh aspect also in contrast to last year, the feel of material is expe uh uh is expected to be spongy. [speaker001:] Hmm. [speaker002:] Spongy. [speaker004:] But spongy, what what does spongy says? [speaker003:] Spongy. [speaker002:] Spongy, like sponge. [speaker004:] Spongy. Okay. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] So rubber, kind of. [speaker002:] Uh soft materials. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] But maybe th that's al definitely a good idea, because you've you're you drop y your remote control very often on the ground. [speaker002:] Yeah, but [disfmarker] Yeah. [speaker001:] So it has to be [vocalsound] flexible. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah. Yeah, it's something that uh it stand there. But I didn't knew uh knew what it means. So spongy means y Yeah. [speaker003:] It's like a sponge. [speaker002:] Soft, sponge. [speaker004:] So it's also a stress-ball. [speaker001:] That's a good [disfmarker] That's a good idea. If it's de like that. That's good, a good idea. [speaker003:] Yeah, somewhat like [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah, but [disfmarker] Yeah. How are you gonna make it? [speaker001:] Is it a bit like like the the the the [gap] remote control? R soft. [speaker004:] Uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah, I've some uh material uh information, but I'll give you it later in my presentation. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] Okay? [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] What do I think? Uh because a fancy look is the most important thing uh for remote control uh control, I think about changeable fronts. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Uh maybe a see-through one in a a fruit front. Because it's uh it's hot. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] And uh some basic uh colour fronts. [vocalsound] Uh so we can make uh five different fronts to start with or something. Uh maybe an extraordinary shape, like a sponge. [vocalsound] Uh or uh, yeah, just another shape than a normal uh remote control ha uh has. Just uh something round in it, or uh maybe not uh not uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah, I dun dunno. We have to discuss about that. Uh y yeah. Main point uh still uh is the technolo technological innovative. Yeah, how do we do that? Maybe speech? We ma must have some kind of gadget. [speaker002:] Yeah, I'll get back on that. [speaker004:] So [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Hmm. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] It's very uh difficult to to to do it. [speaker004:] Intro Yeah. [speaker001:] Because it's only twelve and a half Euros you have to spend on every remote control. [speaker004:] Yeah, [speaker002:] Well, [speaker004:] that's the problem. That's the main problem. [speaker002:] I got f also an email from [speaker004:] So [disfmarker] [speaker002:] the the technology department. [speaker004:] Maybe we watch the first uh the next two presentations. [speaker002:] They have done uh research about it, and uh even more possibilities now with speech. So they recommended using it. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] Well [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Hmm. [speaker004:] Okay. Uh let's first watch Paul's presentation first then. [speaker002:] I'll check what they exact mean. So uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah, well actually we have don't have an idea how much it's gonna cost. But maybe it's cheap and it's easy to implement. [speaker002:] Yeah, th that's the only problem. I d They don't say how much it will cost, so [disfmarker] Um but uh [speaker004:] [gap] [speaker002:] if we implement uh speech recognition, I think it would be better to implement LCD as well. [speaker004:] Oh. It's mass production. So you can say, you can [gap] [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Since you have to uh configure speech thing. [speaker001:] But that's definitely more expensive than [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yeah, that's that's something I dunno. [speaker004:] Yeah. But how uh we we're gonna make many of those. So we can start a mass production, and then the cost will still will be [gap]. [speaker001:] Yeah, but a telephone [gap] [disfmarker] Okay, yeah. But a telephone also have a LCD and and it's about t two hundred Euros. [speaker002:] Yeah, so uh we gotta de [speaker001:] So uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] We have to decide on that. [speaker004:] Yeah. Okay. That was this? [speaker002:] Mm uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Oh I got an email uh [disfmarker] And it says uh the chip can be uh simple, regular or advanced. And [disfmarker] Um [disfmarker] They say uh a display requires an advanced chip. And this is more expensive than all the other chips. So it's m the most expensive. [speaker002:] LDC doesn't require [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah, it says in the email. The display requires an advanced chip. [speaker002:] Okay. And speech recognition? [speaker003:] Yeah, probably too. [speaker002:] Advanced [gap]. Yeah. [speaker003:] I I haven't got anything about speech recognition, but [disfmarker] [speaker002:] I'll I'll give you my design. [speaker003:] Well it d That's that's the most expensive chip, we need. If we're doing uh if we're doing a display. [speaker002:] Yeah okay. So we [disfmarker] [vocalsound] Well we can [disfmarker] I had uh to make a sort of a design. So I did some searching on the internet. I watched the old remote controls and news com remote como uh remote controls. I think we should um [disfmarker] This is one of the modern remote controls of the moment. I think we should go more to the iPod and MP three players. Mobile phones. [speaker001:] Yeah, just modern modern but still uh basic. [speaker002:] More modern. Y yes. Um you probably have to make it a bit bigger and a bit smaller. 'Cause remote con control, you can see it here, you have to bo reach both out [disfmarker] both sides. And here you just have one, few buttons. So that's that's the main difference. But looks uh I definitely think we should go like this. And then changeable fonts, so [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Hmm. [speaker002:] It's the most important part, I think. But [disfmarker] And the home base is something like that, something simple. Well and then I just ordered the the buttons a bit. Uh basic buttons. On-off, mute. And th maybe two others, I dunno. Text buttons. [speaker001:] Yeah, maybe the teletext tel [speaker002:] Yeah, text button, maybe there and there. And then the colour buttons, if we want it on. I don't find it very usable, but it's [disfmarker] [speaker004:] No, I don't uh [disfmarker] I don't like it. [speaker001:] No. [speaker002:] Uh I don't think it's fits in the the modern theme as well. [speaker003:] Hmm. [speaker002:] So [disfmarker] and then yeah we saw the the pla display, in the the iPod. They can put the basic buttons, one, two, three, four. And uh f above ten. [vocalsound] And I think [disfmarker] [speaker003:] But it [disfmarker] That's on on the display. [speaker002:] No no. That th there is no display there. But it's on the place of the display. And I think we should uh light this up much more than that part. So the focus is on these two parts. [speaker001:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker002:] So you don't see all the buttons you else need. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] But it sounds very difficult to use. Because um the volume and channel is on the on the the bottom of it. [speaker002:] Uh well um [disfmarker] [speaker001:] So you can't use your thumb for it. [speaker002:] This is how it is now. Um [disfmarker] Here uh [disfmarker] Well we have volume. [speaker003:] I think it is on uh on the bottom too. [speaker001:] Yeah, down there. But it's not not the best best. [speaker002:] Yeah. Well here we have also side scrolls. I dunno if we can use that. Do we want to use [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah, okay. [speaker001:] Yeah, [speaker003:] Yeah, [speaker001:] for volume. For volume, or a channel. [speaker003:] I've I've got something of that uh too. [speaker001:] Yeah, why not. [speaker002:] For volume? Well then we can even simplify it more. [speaker003:] Scroll. [speaker002:] By just putting the volume on the side. And and just channel buttons here. [speaker001:] And the channels as well. Oh yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah, [speaker002:] But I think uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] or uh maybe uh [disfmarker] The channel buttons are often used. And you can't use them now with your thumb, because the thing is not, it's not easy to control. [speaker002:] Well. Yeah, well it's [disfmarker] Basically it's it's here. [speaker003:] Yeah okay, m maybe we cho should put that on top, and buttons we we don't use on, in the bottom. [speaker001:] Yeah, that's better. [speaker002:] They're on top? [speaker001:] Yeah, just th th th other buttons like text TV. Put that on the button bottom. [speaker003:] Because uh you can't hold it. You can't hold it th the control and push the buttons. [speaker002:] You mean uh these to the low? [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. Yeah. Except from the on-off button. [speaker002:] Oh okay. Well, yeah. [speaker003:] But I I think w you'll use uh the switch channels buttons uh more often than the normal uh channel buttons, like one two three. So maybe we can put that on the bottom. [speaker002:] Mm [disfmarker] Maybe. I dunno, but yeah we'll [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Like zapping is just switching one channel at a time. [speaker002:] Yeah, maybe it's not easy if it's below. It's harder to zap. So I think uh it should be should be easy to [gap]. I think it's pretty standard, these rubber buttons on the top. [speaker003:] Yeah okay. That's that's good, [speaker002:] And uh if you don't light 'em up, they don't uh [vocalsound] you don't see 'em very good. [speaker003:] but [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] I think it's modern to light this area up, and to light this area up. So the focus gets on these parts and not on there. [speaker003:] Yeah okay. [speaker002:] But uh the position of course can be different. It's s We have to look uh what's easy to use, and how it's easier to use. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] So we can uh switch these to [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Hmm. [speaker002:] I dunno if it l will look good, if you put those on t on the bottom half. [speaker003:] No, I think th the the top buttons are okay. They sh Those should be on top. [speaker002:] Okay. Yeah, [speaker003:] But uh we we can switch those two, [speaker002:] maybe [disfmarker] [vocalsound] Those two, yeah. [speaker003:] yeah. [speaker002:] And uh, yeah, you have to make sure it's easy to uh [disfmarker] Yes, it has to be big enough so you can hold it, [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker002:] right. [gap] Well that's that's my findings. So uh my personal opinion is that we should go more modern look. MP three player. And uh well um if we want to put in speech rec recognition or something, we [disfmarker] I don't think we should put it on top then. I think that, if we're gonna put in more technology, that you need to be able to uh switch it open. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] To use [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah. Yeah, that's cool. [speaker002:] So if you put in uh speech recognition, you need so more uh many more buttons. Which won't look good on the front side I think. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] No. [speaker002:] So that's something we have to decide on. [speaker003:] Yeah, we have to keep it simple. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] We have to decide this this lecture, or this this this uh fifty minutes, yeah, how it is gonna look. [speaker002:] What we're gonna do. Okay. [speaker003:] Okay, the component design. I looked at uh some similar devices, and uh my own common knowledge. So uh this was on the web site. If you aim at a young public, you should use materials that are soft with primary colours like green, blue, red. So flashy kinda colours. Uh shapes should be curved, so round shapes. Not [disfmarker] Nothing square-like. [speaker001:] Okay, so [disfmarker] Hmm, okay. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yeah well uh iPod is trendy. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker002:] And it is well curved [gap] square. [speaker004:] Square. Like. [speaker003:] Yeah, but mm is uh has round corners I think. [speaker002:] Okay. So not [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] So we shouldn't have too square corners and that kind of thing. [speaker002:] Yeah okay. Not uh the old uh box look. [speaker003:] Yeah. And um sports and gaming device style characteristics. I don't know exactly what that means, but it should be, well yeah, popular kind of [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker003:] looking, I think. [speaker001:] Yeah, we have to put our Real Reaction logo as well on the on the [vocalsound] remote control. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker002:] Mm [disfmarker] [vocalsound] Yeah, [speaker001:] So the colours also. [speaker002:] it's [disfmarker] [speaker001:] So we have ha to ma make it in black, black, yellow. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Black yellow control. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Maybe the sides in yellow and the the the top in black. [speaker003:] Yeah, mm n Not that weird, because we definitely want to make it kind of flashy, to attract a young public. [speaker002:] Yeah, but uh [vocalsound] I don't think the the colours black and yellow go well together. But [disfmarker] [speaker003:] No, okay. [speaker001:] We make i Maybe you can put yellow on the side and black on the on the front. [speaker003:] That's a that's a sen That's just a matter of tastes, but [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah, okay. [speaker003:] We have to use uh kind of flashy colours, I think. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Uh can't we use um different uh fron uh fronts, with all with the the logo on it? Can we do that? So [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah, it's cool. Yep. [speaker003:] Like fronts in in red and yellow and blue [speaker001:] And still trans [speaker002:] Yes. [speaker003:] and [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Oh yeah. [speaker002:] So [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Still still transparent. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker002:] Yeah. But with all with logo on it. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] Well this is a remote control, a very old one. Um [disfmarker] [vocalsound] Then the components. The case has just a [disfmarker] Here's black. [speaker001:] Yeah, we make it som Maybe we have to make it from soft material. Uh I'm not sure. [speaker003:] Yeah, I dunno. [speaker002:] [gap] Yeah. [speaker003:] Maybe. But anyways uh it should be transparent. We decided that, huh? [speaker002:] Well [speaker003:] S [speaker002:] one of the options. You can [disfmarker] Just like a mobile phone, you can make um different fronts on it. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker002:] So you can just replace them I think. [speaker003:] Yeah, we could do that. [speaker002:] That was the idea, or just uh release one. [speaker001:] Yeah. Just give five with them, just in a box. [vocalsound] Five different [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah, uh [disfmarker] Or just uh sell different ones. [speaker003:] Yeah, but y you could you could make 'em uh uh like blue and transparent. So you can still th look through it. [speaker001:] Yeah. Cool. [speaker002:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker003:] Um the buttons. Normal rubber I think. Like normal ordinary buttons. Soft. [speaker002:] Yeah, I uh I dunno. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] A more [disfmarker] [speaker001:] It it could be like a Nokia, like [gap] plastic. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Uh uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah, just uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] With the hard hard buttons. [speaker001:] That's better prob [speaker002:] I think uh rubber really has an odd look. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] The the the new uh new modern uh remote controls, uh the buttons are part of the [vocalsound] uh the style, I think is part of the remote control itself. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] It it's one uh a one uh out of one shape. Uh it's n doesn't [disfmarker] Is [vocalsound] uh a button uh um [disfmarker] [vocalsound] How do you say it? [speaker003:] Yeah, [speaker004:] It it didn't it i [speaker003:] it's it's all on one level. [speaker004:] it don't come out of the [vocalsound] on the background. [speaker003:] Yeah, on one level. [speaker004:] It is in uh the c a remote control uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah, I know what you mean. So we have to keep it on the one level. Like th the top it's [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah, like mobile phones. Like uh the iPod. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Uh just [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah, okay. Okay, [speaker001:] Yeah, that's cool. [speaker003:] it's chos So that should be hard plastic. Then the buttons? I think. Or maybe [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] I dunno what uh kind of material it is. But [disfmarker] [speaker001:] But maybe you can m make a uh round fluff or soft material. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Just only the basic uh [speaker002:] Oops. [speaker001:] basic remote control from normal plastic, [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] and [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] the rounds of it from softer s [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] And um [disfmarker] [vocalsound] Then the LED. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] I dunno. [speaker003:] The normal infrared LED I think s sufficient. And back light LEDs. [speaker001:] Y [speaker003:] So [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Cool. [speaker003:] But I think we have to make the case transparent, otherwise the back light won't work. So if you put [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Uh you can just make them around the buttons uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Y i if you [disfmarker] The numbers could be can be [disfmarker] Yeah, that's right. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker002:] Or it runs the whole [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah, but we can still make it transparent. So [disfmarker] [speaker001:] They can choose. [speaker002:] Yeah, you can halfs transparent, [speaker003:] Or no [speaker002:] or just that it's comes out a bit. [speaker003:] Yeah okay. Good. And in green colour, the back lights or [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Different, I think, also. [speaker003:] Yeah? [speaker001:] Blue. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Blue or red. [speaker004:] [gap] Yeah. [speaker002:] Whatever you want it, I think. Uh depends on the colour of the [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah, but you can't choo You can't choose it when you buy it. [speaker004:] Uh i [gap] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] You have to choose [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah, that's true. But [disfmarker] [speaker003:] No, but I think there are multiple colour LEDs. So [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Is it [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah, [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] but can you change it if you already bought the the remote control? [speaker003:] I I know [disfmarker] I dunno. Is [vocalsound] [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah, it can. [speaker004:] You [disfmarker] [speaker002:] 'Cause this a mo mib uh mobile phone as well. [speaker001:] Yeah, okay. [speaker003:] Maybe it's it's more impor more expensive. [speaker001:] Maybe put some different ones in it. Doesn't matter. [speaker003:] I think it's [disfmarker] [speaker001:] It's just [disfmarker] No, just some LED. [speaker002:] I have the mo mi I have a blinking light on my phone. And I can change the colour of it. [speaker001:] Okay, cool. Just make it some different colours. Blue, red and green, or something. [speaker003:] Yeah, I dunno. Maybe it's too expensive, but it [disfmarker] I th I don't think so. [speaker002:] Well, we don't put put in any fancier technology yet. So [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Hmm. [speaker003:] Then uh some more technical things. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] I don't know what it is, [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] but it should be there [vocalsound] I think. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Um this is the normal circuit board, like a chip board in in a lot of uh things. [speaker001:] Yeah, we have to hurry up a bit, [speaker003:] W [vocalsound] So we d we just need this and [vocalsound] this transistors and resonators. There's all these kind of things. [speaker001:] so [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Um they they basically said that that's almost the same on any uh remote controls. [speaker002:] I'm sure we can fit in. [speaker003:] So I guess we j we just need that. [speaker004:] [gap] [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] I don't know what they do or [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Okay yeah, [speaker002:] Yeah okay. We just [disfmarker] [speaker004:] you can you can change [disfmarker] Yeah. No. [speaker003:] Nah, but they just said we need it. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] Uh the battery contacts, like normal batteries ca you can put in. [speaker001:] Yeah, a recharger maybe. [speaker002:] Yeah, we have to make sure to uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah okay. Yeah [speaker001:] We still want to have a recharger, don't we? [speaker003:] but [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Is that still the [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yes. Yes. [speaker003:] Yeah, but it i We don't wanna have a ar an [disfmarker] How do you call it? Accu. [speaker001:] A recha Oh no. [speaker002:] Re recharger. Base station. [speaker003:] Y [speaker001:] Uh [disfmarker] Battery. It's just a battery. Yeah. [speaker003:] uh just just batteries, rechargeable batteries. [speaker002:] Yeah, batteries. Yes, rechargeable batteries, I think's best. [speaker003:] Okay. Not a separate [disfmarker] [speaker001:] No, just rechargeable batteries. [speaker003:] Okay. And uh a chip, that's this one. Then uh I received some possibilities. [speaker001:] [gap] [speaker003:] Um for the energy source we can use batteries or a kinetic uh [disfmarker] Like with the pulse watch. So it operates on your wrist kinda. [speaker004:] Ah cool. Okay. [speaker002:] So if you hold it, it gets powered. [speaker003:] If you hold it. [speaker001:] But normally you put a remote control on the table or on the couch. [speaker003:] Yeah, I don't think it will work, and [disfmarker] Or we can also use solar cells. But you mostly use it indoors, [speaker001:] It's dark in the room. [speaker002:] [gap] [speaker001:] No. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] It's just batteries, [speaker003:] so [disfmarker] [speaker001:] that's cheaper [gap]. [speaker003:] Yeah, and and we can use the home station kind of thing. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Um cases, flat, so uncurved. Uh two D curved is um like front to the back. And three D curved is also in depth. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker003:] So that's possible. Uh but with three D uh curved uh remote controls, we must use rubber buttons. So we can't use the flat buttons. [speaker002:] Mm. So we need uh two D. [speaker003:] Yeah, I think. [speaker001:] Yeah. Definitely. [speaker003:] Um these kinda materials can be used. [speaker001:] But it doesn't really matter, we just make it plastic. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah, I think so too. [speaker001:] The scroll wheels, that's cool. That's for the volume. [speaker003:] Yeah, scroll wheels um [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah, that's good. We can use multiple scroll wheels, w if we want to. But I think just the volume is enough. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] [gap] Uh [disfmarker] For channels it's not handy, [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] because you scroll too fast. [speaker003:] And uh the LCD. So we need uh the expensive, most expensive chip, if we use an LCD. [speaker004:] Mm [disfmarker] [speaker001:] I don't think that's an opportunity. Just skip it. Because we don't have time for that to to put it in. [speaker003:] Okay, then we we use m must use the second most expensive chip. So th so the regular chip. Because we use scroll wheels. [speaker001:] Yeah, okay. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker003:] And um [disfmarker] Yeah, that was it I guess. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] Uh are are we using a a rubber case, or [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Oh [speaker003:] We haven't decided yet. [speaker001:] just sk Maybe you have to skip that one as well. It's [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Uh I don't think a rubber case looks [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Uh but we have to do something about the trend. [speaker003:] L Yeah, i it it should be soft. You said so? [speaker004:] The trend is uh spong spongy uh and uh fruit or fresh fresh. [speaker002:] Yeah, okay. That [disfmarker] Uh fruit and veg, or [disfmarker] [speaker004:] And uh now we have nothing about uh about those those two. [speaker002:] Yeah, fruit and veg can be just the covers. [speaker004:] Uh yeah i Just [disfmarker] Just on front. [speaker002:] So you can [gap] the the spongy [disfmarker] yeah, I dunno. I can't imagine a soft remote control. [speaker001:] No. [speaker004:] Neith uh I don't like it uh neither. [speaker001:] No. [gap] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] I just can't imagine it. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] So just hard plastic? [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker002:] Yeah, I think. Titanium. It's mentioned here uh. [speaker003:] Titanium, uh I think it's too expensive. [speaker001:] But maybe the form has to be a bit different. Not the sh the square form. Just a bit [speaker003:] Yeah, you can make it curved or mm round. [speaker001:] more rounded. [speaker003:] But just in two D, not in depth. [speaker001:] Yeah. Yeah, that's right. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] So [disfmarker] We have to decide which one we're going to choose from these. What exactly. Because we have to know it. [speaker002:] [gap] [speaker001:] So the energy uh is the recharger. We already know that. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Just a normal battery. [speaker002:] We have batteries. [speaker001:] Okay. The chip-on-print is a normal one. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Regular. [speaker001:] Okay, the case is just a plastic one. [speaker003:] Yeah th yeah, the chip is the the regular one. [speaker001:] Yeah, re Yeah, regular. Yeah, okay. Yeah, regular. [speaker003:] You have the simple one, regular and advanced. So it's b should be regular uh the second. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] I think I'll just check it. [speaker001:] And we need a plastic case, with a scroll wheel. [gap] [speaker002:] Yes. [speaker001:] That's pretty much it. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] User interface concept. [speaker001:] And a flashy light. So uh I'm not sure. But we do I don't know if we expected to draw on this one at this moment. But [gap] [speaker002:] I dunno either. [speaker003:] Mm. Or should we do it in the next meeting? [speaker002:] Uh ID and UID work together on prototype drawing on smart board. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] So we should did it here? [speaker001:] That's for the next one. [speaker002:] So we're staying here? [speaker001:] That's for th [speaker003:] Or should we do it in the next meeting? [speaker001:] Uh that [disfmarker] I think that's the next next meeting. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker001:] But you definitely get a specific instruction. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Okay, so [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] now we're ka thirty minutes alone again? [speaker001:] But th think about something that's more rounded. Just [disfmarker] And more [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah, uh [speaker001:] It has to be [disfmarker] [speaker002:] I dunno. But the iPod and etcetera, MP three players, mobile phones. [speaker001:] Uh a bit. Just just on the top or on the bottom. [speaker002:] Just a bit cur Okay, I'll see if I can see any of those. [speaker001:] Maybe the wheel can be uh like uh like this. O um if you draw it like this, you get a [disfmarker] What the fuck is it? [vocalsound] Okay. Mm [disfmarker] Doesn't work. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] What? [speaker001:] You see what I mean? If I draw here [disfmarker] [vocalsound] It draws about four centimetres lower [speaker003:] Oh. Okay. [speaker001:] than [disfmarker] [vocalsound] Nah okay. Just [gap]. Maybe you can make it like this. And this is all the wheel for volume. So that you just um [disfmarker] It's all rounded, so you can do uh turn this one. [speaker003:] Like a very big scroll-wheel. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah, but just not on the top, but uh on the side of it. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker001:] Maybe, I dunno. [speaker003:] Hmm. [speaker001:] Okay, so we [vocalsound] have this at the moment. [speaker003:] I think uh you'll get a a lot of uh volume changing when it's not wanted. [speaker002:] Yeah, you [gap] [disfmarker] Yeah. [speaker001:] Okay, so we'd have this. Is that okay? [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah, [speaker003:] I think it's probably better. [speaker002:] that's a little problem, of course, as well. [speaker001:] And [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah, but maybe we can make a a plastic, so that you i if you like drop it, it won't change the volume. Only if you use your finger. [speaker002:] Yeah, maybe you just have to make it uh [disfmarker] That's not scrollable too easy. [speaker001:] Like this. And uh what's the channel choose? Where do we uh put that? [speaker003:] I think in middle. [speaker001:] Still on the bottom or [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Uh wh what is the middle part? [speaker001:] That's the numbers. [speaker003:] Uh I think th the numbers should be in the bottom, and and the switch channel in the middle. [speaker002:] Numbers, okay. Yeah, I agree as well. Use the dz [speaker001:] It doesn't make a difference, if you put the s uh the switch channels on side of each other or on top of each other. Because you already have the volume here, so [disfmarker] You can also put it here one butt and the other one there. Next to each other. [gap] back and forth. [speaker002:] Yeah, that's right. [speaker001:] So you can also can put it all on the top, and this, you keep this empty. Because you have to hold it as well. [speaker003:] Or you could do the switch channel up button above the the numbers and switch channel down button below. [speaker001:] But that's not [gap] want to zap very quick, so [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah, [speaker003:] Yeah, okay. [speaker002:] I think uh zapping is the highest priority. [speaker001:] Yeah? Is this a opportunity, [speaker002:] And then you use those uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] or you don't want a different [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah, of course uh. [speaker003:] Uh but I think we we should bu uh put 'em on top of each other, so [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Why? [speaker003:] Because then it's it's easy to know m if I push the the the up [disfmarker] [speaker001:] But still the next [disfmarker] It's still the next one. [speaker003:] Yeah, [speaker001:] Doesn't make [disfmarker] [speaker003:] but the top the top button is is like you switch channel up, and down button is [disfmarker] [vocalsound] If you put them [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah, but fo from left to right is exactly the same. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] It ma it doesn't make a big difference. [speaker002:] I I think it's [disfmarker] [speaker003:] But uh but I I think uh left to right is more often associated with volume, and top down is more with uh channel changing. [speaker002:] It's it's obvious, I think. [speaker004:] Yeah, that's not not [disfmarker] It's not al uh always the same. [speaker001:] But it's exactly th [speaker003:] In uh [disfmarker] On most on most remote controls. [speaker004:] Every remote control's uh different. [speaker002:] Yeah, I think [disfmarker] [speaker003:] So so if we use that, they will probably have a long learning uh time. [speaker001:] I dunno. [speaker002:] No, [speaker001:] I [disfmarker] You already have the volume on the side, [speaker002:] uh I think [disfmarker] [speaker001:] so you can't make it you can't ma make a mistake. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] So it's uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] I think it's s so simple [speaker003:] I dunno. [speaker002:] you just [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker001:] So but that's for that's for you, 'cause it's [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah, okay I'll d I'll take a look at it. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Okay, so hmm. What did [disfmarker] What else we have to discuss about? I dunno. [speaker002:] Think we need to work uh thirty minutes again? [speaker004:] Yeah, we have to care that it r uh looks really new. Because uh we still hold on to the uh ordinary uh uh square uh remote control. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] 'Cause wha what I see the only difference i i i in fact is that we use a scroll-wheel on the outside. [speaker001:] And the LED. [speaker002:] No, you have uh [disfmarker] It is [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah, but i i it should be round in in shape. [speaker002:] Uh the current uh controllers are all black and plastic. [speaker003:] So [disfmarker] [speaker002:] You have to look at that image of the iPod. [speaker004:] Yes. Okay. [speaker002:] More that uh kind of style. [speaker004:] And a bit uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Not not the old grey black [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Uh [disfmarker] Yeah. [speaker004:] Some some kind of bling bling uh mm can we have [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Where you can put a ve Uh we have [disfmarker] If we do it like that we have below have we uh a lot of room to put a nice logo. [speaker001:] Yeah. Uh the logo was has to be on there. Yeah, that's right. [speaker004:] Uh and how many uh fronts uh fronts do we put on the market then? Uh five or something? [speaker001:] Yeah, five. Let's give five. [speaker004:] Or more [speaker002:] [gap] [speaker004:] or [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Maybe you can buy separate ones [speaker004:] And um uh [vocalsound] [speaker002:] and uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] uh buy the product. You buy, you get one. And uh basic. Or you can choose one uh if you buy the project. [speaker002:] Yeah. Um I think [disfmarker] Yeah. [speaker003:] No, [speaker002:] That's your choice, I think huh. [speaker003:] tha that will be [disfmarker] [speaker001:] So y you can put the bottom of the remote control in recharger? Is that is that a good good opportunity? [speaker002:] Yes. [speaker003:] Yeah, [speaker001:] So you could put it like that, [speaker003:] so top down. [speaker001:] okay. [speaker003:] Hmm? [speaker004:] Yeah, you sl uh you let it slide in the docking station. [speaker003:] Do we have to design that w as well? [speaker004:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Uh I'm not sure. [speaker003:] The docking station? [speaker002:] Yeah, I think so. [speaker003:] Hmm. [speaker004:] Yeah, we can b [speaker002:] But th Yeah, that can be very simple. Least. [speaker004:] It c it could be just just a square, just a packet. [speaker003:] Yeah, just a recharger. [speaker002:] Yeah, just where you're around something. Li Yeah, we had one example. [speaker003:] But we have to make contacts on the on the remote control and the recharger as well. [speaker002:] Mm. Mm. [speaker004:] Yeah, but that's a round one. [speaker002:] Which w [speaker004:] Maybe we can choose then. [speaker002:] Here you see one that's very round. [speaker003:] Oh yeah, okay. [speaker002:] So I think that can be all kind of shapes. [speaker001:] But maybe you can just round up the corners a bit. [speaker003:] Of the remote control? [speaker001:] That's all. Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah [disfmarker] Yeah. [speaker001:] Just round it up [gap]. [speaker002:] Yeah, so y you don't want uh this uh like the iPod [gap]. But [disfmarker] [speaker001:] No. [speaker002:] More rounded. [speaker001:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah, I think it will just look like more like this one. Since it's [disfmarker] This is also rounded. [speaker001:] No, [speaker002:] I think i [speaker001:] just just the corners. [speaker004:] [gap] [speaker002:] Yeah okay, tho those are al already a bit cornered. Mm [gap] [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] Yeah, but we can we can do all kinds of uh [disfmarker] As long as it isn is in two D we can use all kind of round shapes. [speaker001:] Shapes. [speaker002:] Yeah okay, but then we have to think of something totally new. [speaker003:] Not in depth. Yeah, but [vocalsound] [disfmarker] Yeah, if if we want to make it kind of, yeah, new. [speaker002:] I've uh [disfmarker] I had a lot of picture of old ones. And all curves have already been done. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] It's a bit annoying, isn't it? [speaker004:] Yeah. What do we do wrong? Hmm. Just just more like this and not uh a square. [speaker002:] Yeah okay, yeah well [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker003:] Yeah, but we could do a lot of, lot more curving. I would do it [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah. I know we can do a lot more, but [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah, it [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Like in this kind of shape or [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Uh it's very annoying. Okay. [speaker003:] I dunno. I dunno if it's handy. [speaker002:] [gap] I think it will only look more like the old remote controls. [speaker004:] Uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] This? [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] The olden the olden ones had looked like just a square thing. [speaker002:] Yeah okay. But uh I had a lot of pictures [disfmarker] Oh I can show you here [vocalsound] what the old ones look like. [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker002:] Curves, curves. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] You've more [gap] there as well. [speaker003:] Yeah, okay. [speaker002:] It wasn't very small one. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] [gap] very simple. That is for elderly. [speaker001:] So we have to make a decision, what kind of form it's gonna have t going to have. [speaker003:] Yeah, I don't know. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] I think if w My opinion. If we just uh take the iPod, and the same look. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] So uh light or just whatever colour, but the same light colours. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] And uh just with uh together with uh the back-lights b look will look very new. No rubber buttons or something. Just together with the back-lights you'll get a totally new look. More like the MP three player M um P M P three player. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker001:] And you have the scroll button inside. [speaker002:] Yes. Just a simple scrollb [speaker001:] [gap] Okay. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] But why do we have to round it on the t bottom then? Of [disfmarker] Skip that one as well. [speaker002:] Doesn't have to be. [speaker001:] Okay. Yeah, it's cool. [speaker003:] Yeah, though that's a trend. If we want to make it. But yeah, I'm not a Trendwatcher, you are. [vocalsound] So [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Uh the t the trend is [speaker001:] Rubber spongy. [speaker004:] spongy and fruity. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] But yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. No. Spongy [speaker003:] Spongeball kinda. [speaker002:] and [disfmarker] [speaker004:] It's not not a lot of trends I uh I found uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Okay, so we have s still one minute left. So just [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] I think it's okay if you just keep it a bit square. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker004:] It [disfmarker] The th th [speaker003:] Yeah, I d I don't know n something about ergonomic kind of fits-in-the-hand uh stuff. [speaker001:] No. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] But I I think it's still for older people. You j still have older people. It's only annoying if it if it's like that f formed like that, like f Whatever. Just you have a normal [disfmarker] [speaker004:] There is one [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah, but we're we're aiming at a young public. [speaker004:] There's just one overall important aspect is that we must make it fancy and it looks original, and I hope we can uh make it look not like the iPod itself. It must have uh uh uh a very different [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah, [gap] idea. But [vocalsound] you're [disfmarker] If you look at the way remote controls are now [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah, they're all the same. [speaker002:] And if you make it look like the iPod [disfmarker] [speaker001:] But i it is it is it is already fancy. Because of the lights on the bottom of it. That's already fancy. [speaker002:] Yeah okay. So that's already a very big change [speaker001:] Uh maybe maybe make the the mm the [vocalsound] wha what's it called uh scroll wheel. Make it in in yellow or something. Just like the colours of Real Reaction. [speaker002:] compared to [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Hmm. [speaker002:] Ye yeah. Well uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah, we could do that. [speaker002:] Could. [speaker004:] Uh yeah, but uh if you the f uh front, the scroll wheel will still uh be yellow. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] No, I think [disfmarker] Oh. [speaker001:] It's right. [speaker002:] Think the scroll wheel [vocalsound] won't be very big. Since if you put it uh somewhere, the chances that it will scroll are too big. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] So it will just be a small small scroll wheel. So it won't uh stick out much. [speaker001:] Yeah. Maybe the ones we are going to draw there. Maybe we have to ask uh to the the mm to her if it has [vocalsound] if it can work better than this. Because it doesn't work properly. [speaker004:] No. [speaker001:] So maybe you have to ask her. [speaker002:] Yeah okay. Well, maybe we can just open images there, and I'll paint and paint. [speaker001:] Okay. Yeah. [speaker002:] I'll be able to do a better job. [speaker001:] That's probably [disfmarker] [speaker004:] If you set the pen yeah, he will draw here. Doesn't work. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Okay, so just finish it. So we make it a bit like m that one probably. [speaker004:] Yeah, I'll see it. [speaker001:] Yeah. Is that okay? [speaker002:] Bu Yeah, I agree more like iPod [gap]. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Okay, only the colour and the flashy light and the [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yes. Just a [disfmarker] [speaker001:] We just we just skip the the the voca or was it the the speech recognition. [speaker002:] Speech. Yeah, do we s keep that? Yeah, I think [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Or keep that? It's okay. But you'd definitely need a [speaker003:] S [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Well uh [speaker003:] Uh yeah, [speaker002:] then it w [vocalsound] [speaker001:] advanced chip. [speaker003:] I don't know. [speaker004:] Uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah, I think so. And we we have to build in a microphone and [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Well that's very easy. We already have uh the beeping of the [gap] home station, [speaker003:] Yeah, and I do I don't know anything about that. [speaker002:] so [disfmarker] [speaker003:] I d I didn't receive any information on speech recognition, [speaker004:] No. [speaker002:] Uh strange that I received [vocalsound] the information about that. [speaker003:] so [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Oh that's hard. But [disfmarker] [speaker001:] So [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Uh the ma the main points I I I uh just said. We have to be original and uh technological innovative. Becau Yeah. [speaker001:] Can we just put it speech recognition in it as well, [speaker004:] But [disfmarker] [speaker001:] okay? [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Ma [speaker002:] So shall we [gap] it open then? [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] So we can put all the [disfmarker] [speaker001:] The function of that in there. Yeah. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] And we need a [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Fine. [speaker001:] Probably we need a uh advanced chip then. [speaker003:] Yeah, we probably do. [speaker001:] But it doesn't say anything about it, [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] does it? [speaker003:] No. [speaker002:] Oh yeah, [speaker004:] But we don't have any f information about the cost. [speaker002:] I [disfmarker] No. [speaker004:] We started with information about the cost was now th [speaker002:] I just I just received the [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah, uh I have I have some some information about the cost. But just a about the chip. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] And how much is the chip? The the the [disfmarker] [speaker003:] I don't know how much, but [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah, our division has developed a new speech recognition feature, the integrated programmable sample sensor simple speaker u unit. [speaker003:] Just in inexpensive or [disfmarker] [speaker002:] This is a very small electronic unit, will give a standard answer after it recognise a question. [speaker004:] And how how does it work? Is it [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Doesn't say. Just [disfmarker] You say record, followed by your question sample, and after a few seconds the answer uh sample. Because uh [disfmarker] So it works like uh good morning remote control, and then the remote control says good morning. [speaker001:] It doesn't has to say anything. [speaker004:] No. [speaker001:] Just [disfmarker] You have to just talk to [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Does it say does it say something back? [speaker002:] Yeah uh th that's just [disfmarker] It's a [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Okay, we have to stop it now. So just [disfmarker] [speaker002:] No. Yeah, it [disfmarker] Well that's integrated in the chip, so if you use the speech recognition, that's in it. [speaker001:] Okay, that's a r That's that's a advanced [disfmarker] [speaker003:] But i it's a separate chip. [speaker002:] I dunno, but if we use speech recognition, that will be in it as well. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker003:] Yeah, I don't know anything about this, [speaker004:] Um [disfmarker] [speaker003:] but [disfmarker] Nah. [speaker001:] Yeah, we just decide not to put it in, because it's too difficult. [speaker003:] I dunno. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Well it it would be would be a good feature feature. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Okay, we just put it in, because it's a good feature. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Okay. No no worries about the cost, etcetera. [speaker001:] We have to stop now. Okay, [speaker002:] And there's a chip in it that will [disfmarker] [speaker001:] just [disfmarker] We have to stop it now. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker004:] Fine.

[speaker001:] [vocalsound] Okay? Good afternoon. Hope you have good lunch. [speaker003:] Afternoon. [speaker002:] Hi. [speaker003:] Yeah, we had falafel. [speaker001:] Oh. Nice. And you? [speaker002:] Uh, yes, I had something similar but non-vegetarian. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Okay. So today is um our third meeting. It will be about the conceptual design [vocalsound] uh. If I come back to uh the minutes of the last meetings um. We decided not to go for speech recognition technologies because of some reasons and we are not decided about u the use of LCD screen on on the remote control because of costs. So maybe we cou wi will be able to clarify this this question to today. Uh at the end of the meeting we should take decision on that point. So I hope uh that your respective pr presentations uh will help us. So each of you have some presentatio presentation to perform um who starts? [speaker004:] Okay, [gap]. [speaker001:] So marketing. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] So you are [disfmarker] you saved your y your presentation somewhere? [speaker004:] Yep. [speaker001:] So you're four? [speaker004:] Four, yeah. [speaker001:] Which is trend watch. [vocalsound] Okay. Mr Marketing Experts. [speaker004:] Yeah that's me. [speaker001:] So [gap] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Uh. Well I investigate the preference more d I investigate deeper the preference of the users. Uh so the the current investigation th uh th uh sorry the current the n current trends? [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah? [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] Okay. [vocalsound] [gap] Okay. [vocalsound] Well wha [vocalsound] what I found [disfmarker] um can you [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Next slide? [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Thank you. What I found in order of importance from less to more important is that people want an easy to use device. After they they want something new technologic technologically speaking, but the most [disfmarker] what they what they find more more interesting, more [disfmarker] or more important it's uh a fancy look and feel instead of uh instead of the current the current trend which was f the functional look and feel. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] So now more more cool aspect, ma more [disfmarker] a cooler aspect uh rather than a device with many functions and many buttons with [disfmarker] instead of i instead of ha of a device which can do many things, a device which is pleasant to to watch, to see. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] Uh also [disfmarker] Well [vocalsound] in in Euro in in Paris and and [vocalsound] Milan the [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] in Paris and in Paris and Milan the the current trend of [gap] uh of clothes, furniture and all this all this fashion it's [vocalsound] it's fruit and the the the theme is fruit and vegetables. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker004:] And also [vocalsound] in the in the USA the the current [disfmarker] the mor the most popular feeling it's it's a spongy. Spongy means eponge? [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] So maybe we should we should think in in this direction, so [disfmarker] [speaker002:] What what do you mean by [vocalsound] fruit and vegetables and spongy? [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] What [disfmarker] you mean clothe [speaker003:] Spongy means it it's like sp [speaker004:] Fruit vegetables is the the new [disfmarker] have you seen the last exposition of clothes in Milan? [speaker002:] No, I missed that one. [speaker004:] Yeah, I I didn't miss an [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] I didn't miss and I saw that the fruit, there are many fr pictures of fruits and vegetables in the clothes. [speaker002:] Oh, they're [disfmarker] okay so they're not like dressed as a carrot they just have like pictures of fruit on, okay. [speaker004:] No no, not not yet, not yet. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah, yeah. [speaker002:] So we're not gonna have a remote control in the shape of of a banana, [speaker004:] So te textu textures, yeah. [speaker002:] just maybe [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Vegetable textures and all this kind. [speaker001:] Drawings of bananas. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Uh [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Okay and [vocalsound] [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Uh-huh. [speaker004:] yeah, yeah. [speaker003:] But what's your suggestion how we can have some shape like that on the remote? [speaker001:] Well so this is in the next slide certainly. [speaker004:] Uh no no, it's not. [speaker001:] It's not? [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] It's [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] So which fruit are you thinking of? [speaker004:] And [disfmarker] Um. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [gap] I ha I haven't thought of any particular fruit, but the general aspect of the of the remote control may may [disfmarker] could remind some kind of vegetable, some kind of instead of vegetable, some natur mm uh natural object or something. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] But yeah it it depends on the [disfmarker] [speaker001:] So maybe you maybe you can display a banana on the LCD. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Oh, so you want the remote control to be the shape of a fruit, [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] or you want just some kind of like fruit logo on the [disfmarker] [gap] [speaker003:] Means buttons are in the shape of fruits, [speaker004:] Yeah maybe the shape the shape [disfmarker] [speaker003:] buttons are in the frape [disfmarker] shape of fruits or something, apple, banana, something like that. [speaker004:] No, not n not not too much focus, not too much focu not n not too s not too similar to a fruit because next year the ten the trend the trend will be different. [speaker001:] Apple for channel one. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] So we shouldn't be at re really attached to to the trend [speaker002:] So something that looks half like a fruit and half like an elephant. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] but [disfmarker] For instance, yeah. African or as an elephant? [speaker003:] That we can discuss afterwards [vocalsound]. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker002:] But [disfmarker] okay, I'm not, I'm not really sure if uh that would really appeal to everyone though, maybe just to fashion gurus, like maybe just like a little bit n a little fruit picture somewhere in the corner, but I don't know about uh I dunno how ergonomic a, an orange is. [speaker004:] Well ma maybe we we should further specify what target are we focusing. I think in my opinion we should focus on on young people because they are more open to new devi new devices [speaker002:] To fruit? [speaker004:] and also yeah according to the marketing report ninety p ninety five percent of young people was [vocalsound] was was able to to buy a a n a cooler remote control. [speaker002:] But is it uh is fruit cool? [speaker004:] What? [speaker001:] That's a question. [speaker004:] What? [speaker002:] Is fruit cool? [speaker004:] Yeah? Uh [disfmarker] Is the new trend of the [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Well I guess, you know, Apple has the iPod so, [vocalsound] imagi [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] just 'cause they have an apple on their on their product, doesn't mean fruit is cool. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] No I think we we should think about a a shape with it [disfmarker] a device with a shape of some [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Okay, but it has to be easy to uh to use though and to hold you know, you don't wanna pear or a watermelon. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah. Don don't you think we can find uh the shape of a fruit which is handy to use? [speaker002:] Well, probably the only thing is a banana that I can think of, [speaker003:] Banana. [speaker002:] a cucumber. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] I dunno. [speaker004:] Or m [speaker001:] Maybe too long. [speaker002:] Maybe. Too green. [speaker004:] Maybe. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] So, but I mean you also have to [disfmarker] you have to also have, fit r all the buttons and [disfmarker] you know. [speaker001:] A banana. [speaker004:] Um [disfmarker] [speaker002:] It's, it [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] The thing is you have t normally with um with buttons, they have to be at some point attached to a circuit board so if you're gonna have things like [gap] on a cylindrical kind of device it may be difficult to kind of to build. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] I don't th it will be rolling a lot. [speaker004:] Yeah but I li I like your idea that we shouldn't have a lot of buttons b buttons so [speaker001:] Okay. Yeah and you you you will not have pla enough [disfmarker] a lot of place to put a LCD on a banana also. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Uh do you want a an LCD with twenty five Euros? [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Well, you're the Marketing Expert you should tell us if it is too much or not. [speaker002:] Well, this is [disfmarker] [speaker004:] I think [disfmarker] Well, according to the to the report people are more interested in in a fa fancy look and feel and in a technological inno in innovation, [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] so, I will give more importance to the look and feel than [disfmarker] rather than the [speaker001:] [vocalsound] So [disfmarker] So you you you suggest to go f [speaker004:] new inputs and also it's [disfmarker] I'm not convinced about this LCD because you need uh internet connection, you need more things, it's not just buying a new control re remote, you need [disfmarker] buying control remote, buying uh [speaker001:] Okay. [vocalsound] S so you're simply [speaker004:] more things. It's not so simple. [speaker001:] you're simply looking s to a remote control that looks like a banana with few buttons [disfmarker] with only a few buttons. [speaker004:] For instance, yeah. Yeah for for for [disfmarker] given an an example yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Okay good. So maybe you can go ahead? [speaker004:] Yeah no, it's what I already said. [speaker001:] Okay. [vocalsound] Thanks. Um. Okay, I'll give the floor. So you are User Interface guy. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] So you're three? [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] And it's this one. [speaker002:] Yep. [speaker001:] Go for it. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yep. Okay. So. S next uh slide. Okay. So I received an email um around lunchtime letting me know that the brilliant minds at our technology division had developed an integrated programmable sample sensor sample speaker unit, um which is a way for you to have a conversation with your coffee machine and or remote control [vocalsound]. [speaker003:] But it's just a speaker right? [speaker002:] It's [disfmarker] no, what it is, it's it's very [disfmarker] [speaker003:] It's not a microphone. [speaker002:] It has a has a microphone, has a speaker, it's got a little chip and it allows you t [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. Actually I'm not reading microphone there, so that's why you can all have conversation, it [gap] just to speak to you. [speaker002:] Well, it's a sample sensor sample speaker. Sample sensor sample speaker. It means that it can recognize, it can do like a match on a on a certain phrase that you speak and then can play back a phrase in response to that. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. [speaker002:] But uh there's no kind of um understanding of the phrase. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker002:] So, I mean, you know, I guess you could build that in, you could you could link the the recognition of a certain phrase to some function on on the remote control. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm. [speaker002:] But basically the thing is, we have this technology available [speaker003:] In-house. [speaker002:] in-house. So, um [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] but the thing is obviously there's still gonna be a cost if you decided to integrate that because you still have to pay for the c production of the components, [speaker003:] Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. [speaker002:] so um it it [disfmarker] but it basically means we c we can kind of consider this from uh you know uh a theoretical or usability kind of viewpoint without worrying too much about you know how to develop it because we have this already done. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Whilst you know, some people might get annoyed if we uh if we just dump it, [gap] [disfmarker] [speaker001:] I [disfmarker] there's something that I [disfmarker] unclear really understanding. Is this a technology that recognize keywords [disfmarker] speech keywords? [speaker002:] It's it it's no, well, it's it'll recognize uh I guess keywords, but you know keywords in a certain order like a phrase. You train it for a certain uh, for a certain phrase, you say [disfmarker] the the example they said that they have uh up and running with their prototype is um [disfmarker] well they've actually integrated into the into the the coffee machine that uh that we're producing is, you can say good morning to the coffee machine and it can recognize that phrase and it'll playback good morning, how would you like your coffee? [speaker001:] And it's just to, it's just to playback something? [speaker002:] Yeah. So actually that was a bad example, 'cause it doesn't actually ask how do you want your coffee because it can't really understand the response, so. [speaker001:] Yeah yeah. So this is not s really to do to to do control. [speaker002:] Only, like, only in the sense that it it can recognize a set a set target kind of word an [speaker001:] Yeah. This is just more like a poi pois yeah. [speaker002:] It's designed it's designed as a fun kind of thing, [speaker001:] Yeah yeah. [speaker002:] but I guess you could use it as uh as a way to implement uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] So it it's c uh it it [speaker004:] Yeah but you can u [speaker001:] it is a uh uh easy uh a fancy thing that you you can bring to [disfmarker] we can bring to the remote control that will not have any uh [speaker002:] Completely pointless yeah. [speaker001:] [disfmarker] yeah comp [vocalsound] completely pointless [vocalsound] for the inter for [disfmarker] from the interaction point of v point of view [gap]. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah. Yeah, unless you know, you like having conversation with your remote control. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] Yeah but the [disfmarker] can we use it for saying okay, channel fifty, channel twenty? [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Well yeah, that's the thing, if [disfmarker] you can but [vocalsound] you have to pro though I think it's a fairly simple design so you would have to record into the device every possible combination, you have to s tr train it to l to learn channel fifteen, that whole thing, not just the word channel and the word fifteen, it doesn't have that kind of logic in it. [speaker001:] Yeah yeah. So this is so this is this is much more than tak taking this technology, bringing it to the remote control and using it. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] So [disfmarker] Yeah, that would be some development work. [speaker001:] So this is out of discussion. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] So if if if it is something that you can [disfmarker] we can bring easily and to put it into the banana remote control [disfmarker] [speaker004:] M Mando. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Banana-mando. [speaker001:] No this is mm banana-bando, yeah. [speaker004:] Banana-mando yeah. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Banana-man [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Uh then it could be cool yeah. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah okay, let's go ahead. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] I uh I I I don't think it's worth it though, I think it doesn't really add much to the functional design and it's it's it's not mature enough to use as a speech recognition engine, so [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] Um, yeah. So if we can just move on to the next slide, I've just done a quick mock-up of uh uh some of the features of our [vocalsound] potential funky-looking uh remote control [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] It doesn't look like a banana at all. [speaker002:] Well, you see, I was I was unaware at this point of th of the fruit focus, [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] um, so at the moment it's more of a box focus. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Looks like a tr look likes a a tro a tropical fruit. [speaker001:] But you you can fit i you're saying now you can fit it to [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah, well, this is actu this could be a genetically engineered fruit that's designed to be you know square so that it packs tighter in the boxes. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] But um, I've just indicated here, we could have actually two scroll wheels, 'cause I think the scroll wheel is a fairly um key part of, you know, [speaker003:] Stable thing, that's right. To have [gap], [speaker002:] I think everyone has has agreed that it's [disfmarker] that it could be quite a useful um thing, so. [speaker003:] mm-hmm, mm-hmm. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] But I think it's important, you know, to have two scroll wheels because, you know, you want one for for the channel, but you also want one for for the volume, [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker002:] because it's it's [disfmarker] the volume i it's, you know it's very handy for it to have uh instant kind of uh feedback uh and response, so. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] But um, I've also included this turbo button because I think, you know, every design should have a turbo button, [speaker004:] What's a turbo button? [speaker002:] and [disfmarker] well [vocalsound] so this is you know, a unique problem with with televisions is that if you have this scro this scroll wheel for the television, the uh the tuner on the TV is not gonna be able to to switch between stations as fast as you can scroll, so you know, the th the person might want to have a uh [disfmarker] Might want to be able to scroll past television stations without seeing what's on them, in which case it just waits until you stop scrolling and then, you know, displays that station. Or they might want to scroll and and have a quick glimpse of it, even if it lags behind what they're doing [gap]. [speaker004:] It con it controls the speed? [speaker002:] Yeah, so with this turbo button you can, say, skip over t channels if uh, you know, if I'm if I'm going [disfmarker] if I'm scrolling past them and you know, it's um, you could have a little red light that comes up when they press it so they feel you know it's really going fast or whatever. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] So yeah, that's um, those are the two important uh features I think we need on the remote, [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] but I mean we can discuss about what other kind of buttons we need, um. You know, i it could be, you know, if we if we wanna have like a very cheap kind of device, I mean, we could either consider that maybe we want to sell this as a very, if it's gonna be a banana, you know that's a pretty gimmicky kind of thing that doesn't have that much functionality, it's just you know a couple of scroll wheels and a button cause it's hard to get so many buttons on a banana [speaker001:] It's enough. [speaker002:] and it's still very [disfmarker] it may even be for most [disfmarker] for some people more functional than their current remote, but if they have these scroll wheels, so, um [vocalsound] you know, what other buttons do we want? [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] I mean we could have [disfmarker] well, I guess you need an on and off switch, [speaker001:] Switch on. Yeah. [speaker002:] but you could you could o you could turn it turn it on by taking the top off the banana maybe, you know, it's kind of like a spy kind of flick thing. [speaker004:] Yeah. So sounds crazy. I like crazy ideas. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] That's why you're a marketing guru. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] Yeah, of course. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] So i it looks like we're going completely to forget about the LCD thing. [speaker002:] Well, that's the thing, as [disfmarker] have we decided that we can only spend, uh, twenty five Euro? [speaker001:] I think that [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Well not spend, but you know, charge twenty five Euro. [speaker004:] I I think we could use somehow the s coffee machine dialogue interface or so. [speaker001:] No we can we can't use that. [speaker004:] You [disfmarker] we can? We can't. [speaker001:] We can't use that to [speaker003:] Communicate. [speaker001:] to comman co communicate, it's just a thing [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah, but we can say channel twenty five. [speaker003:] It's one way. [speaker001:] No. [speaker004:] No? [speaker002:] But then you have to have a template for every channel, for a hundred channels, you have to be able to to recognize [disfmarker] [speaker004:] It's not a lot one hundred templates, [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker004:] it's not [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Well, I f I think it's probably more than, than our [gap] can handle because it's designed for a coffee machine, you know, to say hello in the morning. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Ah, it's designed for a cof [vocalsound] okay. Is it design for a coffee machine? [speaker002:] Well that's its current application, I would presume that it's kind of, they wouldn't design it to handle a hundred things th so. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Okay. [vocalsound] Yeah. Maybe you could ask your [disfmarker] the [disfmarker] you could ask the engineering department if we can [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Yeah. A good good good thing. [speaker002:] But uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] You want to g to move to your slides? [speaker003:] Yeah, that's right, yeah. [speaker001:] You're finished? [speaker002:] Well I just I just made the point, I don't I don't know if that speech recognition is, you know, even if we can do it, I think it's not really appropriate for uh television environment. [speaker001:] Yeah I think so. [speaker002:] But um I did have one thing from a previous meeting, you were talking about um being able to find the remote control [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] and I was talking about extendin being able to extend the remote control by having you know, a base station that can control other things as well. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] It might be useful to have some kind of base station, even if it's just you press on a button on it and uh and the remote control starts beeping, you know, this is a way of finding the remote. Y in that case maybe the maybe the speech recognition [disfmarker] the speech thing could be useful just to say I'm here [speaker001:] Mm. Exactly yeah. [speaker002:] but uh it's probably a bit of overkill if you could just have a a beeping [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] So it's a speech synthesis kind of thing, something has been uh stored and it's just uh spoken out. [speaker002:] It's speech [disfmarker] It's it's speech synthesis and s it's speech kind of, not really speech recognition, but kind of pattern matching, yeah [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Oh, good idea. [speaker003:] Yeah. That's right. [speaker002:] yeah. [speaker001:] Very good. Okay, let's move on. So you're two? [speaker003:] That's right. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] So this is going to be about the component design. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] So first thing is we need power source for the remote control. So I was of the idea that we can have two kind of power supplies, one is the usual batteries which are there, they could be chargeable batteries if there's a basis station kind of thing and on top of that we can have solar cells, when the lighting conditions are good they can be used so it'll be pretty uh innovative kind. Then uh we need plastic with some elasticity so that if your [disfmarker] if the remote control falls it's not broken directly into pieces, there should be some flexibility in t [speaker002:] I guess that fits in with the spongy kind of design philosophy. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. So there should [disfmarker] we should think of something like that and then it should be double curve. The s science for the ease of handling and there are some other issues why we need double curve. Then controls for the traditionals u traditional users we can have the push buttons so that they don't feel that it's an alien thing for them. [speaker002:] So, just one second, when you say double curve, what do you actually mean? You reckon you could like draw us a thing on the, on the whiteboard [speaker003:] Double curve is, you have curves on both the sides if I'm right. [speaker002:] 'cause I'm not sure [disfmarker] [speaker003:] So it's symmetrical kind of thing, whatever it is. [speaker002:] Okay, but like, kind of convex or concave? [speaker003:] So, it could be curve, so it could be convex, conve concave, depending on what what we want. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. Okay. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] So there are flats, there are single curve and there are double curves. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker003:] These are the three things, and there are different materials, with plastic you can have double curve but with uh certain other materials we cannot have double curve. So there there was uh there were many other materials like wood, titanium and all those things, but plastic is I think is the most appropriate one, [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] it'll bring the cost down and anyway it's [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Although, you know, wood could be uh quite a stylish uh option, if you take like, nice quality kind of wood that's got a nice grain and you kind of put some, some varnish on. [speaker001:] Mm but i but there is no elasticity which could be [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Wooden cases [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Well it depends, I mean, you have the outs the wood itself is not gonna break so you don't have to worry too much about the case being broken, [speaker001:] Yeah but the components inside. [speaker002:] it's the inside. Yeah but inside you know you could have [disfmarker] you can still have some kind of cushioning that's not visible to the to the user. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Yeah. Very [disfmarker] too expensive to do. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] And I mean you could also, you can have just a very thin veneer of wood as well. [speaker001:] And also uh [disfmarker] Yeah but it's more easier to do a banana in plastic than uh in wood. [speaker002:] That's true, but are we set on the banana idea? [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Actually [speaker001:] Well it look like [disfmarker] it looks like you are all targeting that [speaker004:] I was thinking that the [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] yeah? [speaker004:] the shape of a banana is not it's not really handy. [speaker001:] Yes it is. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Uh I don't know the name o o in English uh [disfmarker] [vocalsound] This [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Is it an e apple which has [disfmarker] [speaker004:] it's not a fruit it's a vegetable. [speaker002:] It's like a pumpkin or [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah? Pumpkin. [speaker004:] Green. [speaker002:] Green. [speaker001:] Green. Um um um, yes I see. [speaker002:] What does it taste like? [speaker004:] And you put in the salad. [speaker001:] Pep pepperoni. [speaker004:] Um [speaker002:] Ah yeah, is it [disfmarker] what's it in French? [speaker001:] Poivron. [speaker004:] Oui c'est ca [speaker002:] Yeah, okay, so capsicum or pepper. Yeah. [speaker001:] Uh pepper. [speaker004:] Pepper. [speaker001:] But um they do d [speaker004:] And it's al it also suits with the double curve for easy of [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] I don't know, it seems a little bit kind of bulky to me, like [speaker004:] No, I mean in a [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah. It's not re it [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] like with a banana you can have [disfmarker] [speaker001:] you you think it's really fancy and fun? You think that young people that are [disfmarker] [speaker004:] I'm sure it's fun. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah. More than a banana? [speaker004:] But banana is not so handy, [speaker003:] Banana is more handier as compared to this I think, and to capsicum. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Well [disfmarker] [speaker004:] I think that's handier. [speaker002:] But [gap] like a banana you can you can be holding like this and have the scroll wheel kind of on top and just [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] roll it back and forth like that, [speaker001:] It's kind it's kind of [disfmarker] it's more uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] but with uh [disfmarker] I don't know how you would hold a capsicum and [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] it's really ergonomic, it's fit in the hand and you've a lot of surface to [vocalsound] to put the controls. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Okay let's move on. [speaker004:] Yeah you're right. [speaker001:] So time is running, let's move on. [speaker003:] Okay, so push buttons for the traditional users so that they don't feel they are alienated, just [disfmarker] and a scroll button with push technology for channel selection, volume control and teletext browsing. These are the three scroll buttons which are already available with us in the company and we we can go ahead with that. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] Yeah, we can go to the next slide. Then uh there are different kind of chips, one one is the basic chip and the regular chip and one an adva advanced chip. So we can have regular chip for control. Pricing is a factor for us, that's why we'll go for the regular chip. And uh regular chip supports speaker support, so this functionality could be used for tracing the mobile phone which has been misplaced. [speaker002:] So is that, when you say speaker support, you mean it just has some output pinned which which which kind of [disfmarker] [speaker003:] It could be a beep kind of thing. [speaker002:] Okay, but the speaker is actually attached to the to the chip in some way, or is just the the signal? [speaker003:] Yes, yes, that's right, it's it's onto the chip, [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker003:] most most probably, not not hundred per cent sure about that. [speaker002:] Okay. So are there any issues where we place this this chip to make sure you can actually hear the the speaker from the outside of the banana? [speaker003:] That will be the volume control I think which which a user shou it it should be already pre-defined. It should be [disfmarker] whatever will be the case, the chip is always going to be sitting inside. [speaker002:] Okay. Yeah, but the speaker, if the speaker is actually on the chip, then if it's too far away from the the casing, or if the casing is too thick, then you may not hear the the speaker. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. Uh, so we can have it at one of the boundaries so that things are slightly better. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] As [disfmarker] or as hearing is concerned, we can have some gap at some place, [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] so that [disfmarker] [speaker002:] So that's something we have to keep in mind with the actual physical design is to keep the the speaker close enough to the outside. [speaker003:] That's right. Okay. Yeah. So these these were the component selection and these things. We can go to the next slide. And uh these were the findings which I I saw with the web web, that user wants to have control more than one device [disfmarker] wants to control more than one device from the same remote control, so our TV remote can have little extra things to support additional devices like VCR DVD players which are usually attached with the TV, because users are like this and they don't want to have one remote control for everything, so with this additional little, we might be having slightly better market for us. [speaker002:] Although, if [disfmarker] It depends, if we like, if we are concentrating on like a fruit design, then maybe maybe we wanna sell a collection of fruit, you know, like a different fruit for each device. [speaker003:] Mm. Of fruits. Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Cause that, you know, that [disfmarker] sometimes people like to collect um you know things that [disfmarker] of a similar type. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Remotes [speaker001:] S objects. [speaker003:] [disfmarker] objects, okay. [speaker001:] Crazy objects. [speaker004:] I think that would be funny at the beginning but after one month you will be tired of be surrounded of fruits. [speaker002:] Well, [vocalsound] you're the one who wanted to do fruit in the first place. [speaker004:] No but I think just one fruit to control everything. [speaker002:] Like a power fruit. [speaker004:] A power fr a power M a Mando, a Supermando fruit [vocalsound]. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] And uh as well as I could see on the web the scroll button is becoming really uh hot thing s [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] and we should have it on the remote. [speaker004:] Actually I I didn't understand very well this trace speaker lost control. [speaker002:] Well [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Okay, good. [speaker003:] So you're having a basis station. Okay. Your [disfmarker] usually your remote sits on that. So you [disfmarker] and it's [disfmarker] that's why it can have chargeable batteries. Now let's say [disfmarker] [speaker004:] So you you have to buy two things, the banana and the basis station. [speaker001:] Bu it's it's [gap]. [speaker003:] Basis station is with the thing. [speaker001:] You s you you [gap] thing. [speaker003:] It's like a telephone handset is there and the basis station for the telephone hand set is there. So now what user gets additionally he doesn't have to buy batteries, they're rechargeable batteries, so over the period of cor time he'll recover the cost. So you're having the basis station and there is a button, if you press that button wherever the remote it'll start beeping so you know where the remote is. Uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] I think that's a pretty handy feature. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] I think it's kind of [disfmarker] people would find that worth it even if it wasn't uh a recharging station, even if they didn't have to buy extra batteries, you know. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm. [speaker004:] Yeah but I'm a bit worried about the budget. [gap] [speaker002:] So [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Uh this is [disfmarker] basis station is nothing more, just it's a wire which is coming from the main cable and uh you're having one socket on which the thing sits. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Although you do need to include RF kind of circuitry in the remote. [speaker003:] That's right. But all these things are usually in-house so we don't have much problems. [speaker001:] [gap] [speaker003:] So component cost is going to be the least. Anyway, we are not using really advanced technology, LCD has already been ruled out, ASR has been ruled out. So it's the basic thing but very trendy and very user-friendly. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker003:] And [disfmarker] [speaker002:] I'm just wondering actually, 'cause, you know, I [disfmarker] this whole fruit thing with the banana, it's um it seemed like [disfmarker] it first seems a bit kind of uh niche, like only a few people would really want a banana, but what if it was kind of uh a stylised banana? You know, rather than having it kind of you know yellow and really looking exactly like a banana, you could make it kind of silver. And um, you know to give you kind of the idea of a banana but without it looking you know completely kitsch. [vocalsound] For better [disfmarker] want of a better word you know? [speaker001:] You think that yellow it's kitsch. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Well, you know, I don I don't know how many peop [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] If you make something that looks like a banana it should have the colour of a banana. [speaker004:] Yeah. No, I I [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] A [disfmarker] yeah, otherwise it'll be mis means you don't get b any feeling then. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Well they [disfmarker] [speaker001:] O otherwise [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Maybe li like that. [speaker003:] It's neither a banana nor a [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah, like this colour this colour [disfmarker] Maybe, you know, maybe [disfmarker] like still in the shape of a banana. [speaker001:] Roughly. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] No, exactly. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Exactly. Um, but you know, just maybe maybe not exactly the same texture as a banana and just kind of, you know [disfmarker] because the thing is it's gonna be a little bit difficult to make [disfmarker] um to give like the texture of a banana anyway and to k to have the exact shape. I think if you're gonna not be able to do it properly you may as well do it in a stylised way that just looks a bit more kind of, you know, twenty first century rather than sixties or seventies. [speaker001:] Yeah. Okay. Let's move on. [speaker003:] And uh going to the last slide. [speaker001:] Uh uh [disfmarker] yeah. Before before st before ending the meeting I'd like to to draw some sketch about the pro future prot prototype. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] Go for it. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker001:] Well no, not not you, you can finish your slides before [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Okay. Okay, so. Anyway, users'll be [disfmarker] so the findings is users'll be very interested in our locator device to find their misplaced remotes. [speaker001:] Mm [vocalsound] okay. [speaker003:] So that was very [disfmarker] I thought it's a very good suggestion by everybody. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] That's it. [speaker001:] That's all? [speaker003:] Yep. [speaker001:] Okay, so mm [vocalsound] so well done for the presentations. So we need to take some de decisions about um [vocalsound] about what we're going to do. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] So I I propose that you go to the whiteboard [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] and we're going to report all the ideas we had we had during this these presentations just to draw some sketch about what will be the prod final product [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] and uh where Superman go banana and uh [gap] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] uh extra func functionalities such as wheels, um the speaker unit um well not in order [disfmarker] not to lost the um the device, [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] I do I don't remember you call it? [speaker003:] That's right. The basis station. That's right. [speaker001:] Basis station, yeah. Uh so um [vocalsound] so we're going for a stylish banana shape. [speaker002:] Yeah, so, I guess you wanna hold [disfmarker] like the way [disfmarker] the end of the banana you wanna kind of hold as ma you maybe wanna kinda hold like a gun rather than [disfmarker] 'cause you don't want it to point kind of towards the floor. [speaker001:] Yeah, right. [speaker002:] So you know, so if you have like [disfmarker] [speaker004:] What about what about this shape? More or less. [speaker001:] We [speaker003:] There's less space on this to put with the buttons. [speaker001:] I if it i if it has really the model shape of a bana you could [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah, but how many buttons do we need? [speaker001:] the the starting is good but it could [disfmarker] it should have more the shape of a banana if you want to point really a at the thing. If you don't want to to to do that movement which is which is difficult [disfmarker] if you don't have to do it in fact, it's better. [speaker003:] Uh what about a [disfmarker] [speaker001:] So ti time is running, we have to we have to we have to to move forward. So let's skip to uh this uh this this this idea. Yeah. [speaker002:] Okay, so [disfmarker] [speaker001:] So we have this. [speaker002:] So [disfmarker] [speaker001:] We have a a basis um, how do you call it [gap]? [speaker003:] The base station. [speaker001:] A base station. [speaker003:] Right. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] We'll have a base station extra uh on the side. [speaker002:] [gap] okay, so I guess we need, you know, something that can fit a banana shaped object. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. Uh, we have a RF for um for beeping for beeping. [speaker003:] That's right, yeah, we need that, yeah. [speaker001:] We need b RF to beep. [speaker002:] Okay, so it's uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] So we [disfmarker] that means we need a button on th on the on the basis. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Basis station. [speaker001:] Basis station, [speaker003:] Yeah, yeah. [speaker001:] thank you. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Alright, so we need uh [disfmarker] okay. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Can you go quickly please? [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Okay. [vocalsound] So we are going to add uh also um you [disfmarker] as you suggested the whee some wheels to control the volumes and channels [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] and your tur turbo turbo uh button. [speaker002:] Yeah, which [disfmarker] I think it's it's probably best actually on the on the underneath of the the device, [speaker003:] Turbo button. [speaker001:] Yeah, on the th yeah, maybe here. [speaker002:] so you have [disfmarker] [speaker001:] And the and the wheel a a at the level of the thumb for instance. [speaker002:] Yes. Yeah, so you have the thumb kind of here. [speaker001:] And and you have two wheels. [speaker002:] So yeah, you need one one here and one on on the other side, so you got volume an and channel. [speaker001:] Okay right. Good. [speaker002:] And, uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] So no LCD. [speaker002:] No LCD. [speaker001:] Okay great. [vocalsound] Um. [vocalsound] Very good. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker002:] Oh we need a we need a power um on off switch as well. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Uh for the remote? [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Oh, just the switch, [speaker003:] Remotes don't have power on off switch. [speaker001:] no f not for the TV for the TV. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Uh so you [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Okay. S no, that'll be controlled by the [disfmarker] [speaker004:] What a [speaker003:] those buttons'll be there already, yeah. [speaker002:] Where? [speaker003:] Means on the remote. [speaker001:] On the side. [speaker003:] Because remote is going to have both the interfaces, scroll as well as buttons. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker003:] They are not going to cost you much, everything is in-house and now you don't want the traditional users to be apprehensive of this. [speaker002:] Well, I dunno if the traditional user is gonna buy a a banana remote [speaker003:] Oh, yeah. [speaker002:] in the first place, you know. [speaker003:] That's that's another issue which I didn't think of. [speaker002:] Y I mean you need to kind of keep it um [disfmarker] [speaker003:] But you know our targets are very high, means fifty million Euros is the profit which we want make. [speaker004:] What about [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah, how many of these did we wanna sell? I can't remember, [speaker003:] Twenty five. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Twelve point five is the profit on one. [speaker001:] Twenty five. [speaker002:] Yeah, but how many units did we need to to sell [gap]? [speaker003:] Uh forty th four. [speaker004:] Four millions? [speaker003:] Point point four million? [speaker002:] Four point four million. [speaker003:] Point four million. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] That's a lot of fruit. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] In the market. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] What about a [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah. So. Well. No. Time is running, we have to close the meeting in a few minutes. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] So, okay, the next step, you can come back to your seat. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] The next step is to go for [vocalsound] [disfmarker] to f is to go to uh to building a prototype, based on this, okay? [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] So next meeting you guys have to prepare the followi things. You have to uh work on the look and feel uh design and you have to work on the user interface, in fact you two you have to work together to model the first uh f first prototype. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Uh Marketing Expert uh have to go to product evaluation. Okay? [speaker004:] I wo what about adding the [disfmarker] this word spotting, keyword spotting recognition saying [gap] volume up volume down? [speaker001:] It's too difficult. [speaker004:] It's too difficult but people like innovation and that's really uh innovative and I don't know if it would cost a lot, just a few [disfmarker] five words. [speaker001:] It's not a possi it will not be possible to implement it for the next prototype, so t it's [disfmarker] in the next prototype so let's skip it. [speaker002:] Uh. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker003:] For the future prototypes. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah, maybe, for the n if if if it it works well, we'll go for uh an orange one. [speaker002:] That can be the t That can be like the turbo banana plus plus commando. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah yeah, honour the fruit. [speaker004:] Plus plus, okay. Maybe objective banana? [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Okay. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Thanks very much. We'll see n next meeting. Bye. [speaker003:] So meeting's over? [speaker002:] Okay. Yep. [speaker003:] Okay. Okay. [speaker002:] We have to go design the prototype. [speaker003:] Okay. Thank you. [speaker001:] Thank you. [speaker004:] Thank you. [speaker003:] The problem is after all this meeting there is [gap] [vocalsound] [gap]

[speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Okay, welcome to the second meeting of this uh design group. Um [vocalsound] I'll briefly go through the uh notes of the of the last meeting uh just done in in note form and I haven't attributed anything to individuals, because we're working strictly as a team here and uh n nobody's working equally, [speaker003:] Sorry. [speaker001:] so uh. Um we we s we saw that the the problems with existing remote controls were the uh b a boring shape and boring colour. Um and and we s we saw that the um what we needed to do was to to make sure the device um controls several items, that switching was easy, that you shouldn't need to point the thing at uh anything in particular, um that it need to be contoured to make it interesting, that the keys might be concave, simply because that hasn't been done before that we know of. Um should have interchangeable fascias so people can personalise it, um illuminated so that people can see it in dark rooms. Um and that people might want it as as [disfmarker] in addition to their existing remote controls. Um [vocalsound] and that it sh it should just always work, whenever you uh um mm uh use it. And that it shouldn't be too small, mm that it it gets lost. Um. [gap] Now uh uh I'll shortly ask for for three three presentations. Uh before I do that, however, I will go through some new project requirements that um [disfmarker] the the management have placed on us and uh will be challenging in terms of what we discussed at the first meeting. Um the uh the ma the management has had it's own thoughts on this and uh the they don't necessarily agree with with what we uh we thought. Um and and then we'll [disfmarker] as a result of that we will then talk through the the functions that we see the the device um actually b carrying out, and we have uh forty minutes to do this in and I uh [disfmarker] Anyway. Okay. Now, the n the new requirements are um the the management team see that um teletext is no longer of any importance given the uh the rise of the internet. Um and and they want it only to cover televisions. Um now, what is not q quite clear from their directive is whether they mean th they don't want it to cover teletext or whether they don't want it to cover, you know, videos, DVDs, um satellite boxes, which uh [disfmarker] I mean we saw as being fundamental to the uh to the exercise. The um the actual wording of the directive is that it should cover television only. Um and on that basis um I I think we we need to bear that in mind, um but possibly uh keep at the backs of our minds that the reality that people even when they uh no longer [disfmarker] they don't look at teletext anymore, they certainly do look at other things. Um [vocalsound] the device has to incorporate the company logo and colours. Um the the logo uh being at b the bottom of the screen there, the the the two Rs in grey against uh a yellow background. Um now this doesn't [vocalsound] necessarily mean that we have to give up some of our ideas about making it attractive to the t to the market. But uh do do introduce some some constraints as to how we might do that. Um it also has to be simple, which to some extent goes along w with the first one, and that [disfmarker] we've already said that it must be simple 'cause that's what people want anyway. Um but they also want it to be simple to get it to the market quickly, which um mm [vocalsound] uh is is is their choice, but uh um we we need to talk that through. Um okay, so uh after the meeting it'll be summarised and uh [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] um notes sent out and uh etcetera. Okay, so [vocalsound] we'll first of all mm have individual reports from everybody. Um again I [vocalsound] [disfmarker] there is no order of precedence here um so I I I'll leave it up to you to [disfmarker] who who who thinks they would like to go go first? [speaker004:] Uh I don't mind. [gap] [speaker001:] P fine. [speaker004:] Uh can I steal the cable? [speaker001:] Oh sorry, you can indeed. [speaker004:] Cheers. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] I got a [disfmarker] how do I start there? [speaker001:] Oh, if you click on the um uh the one that that looks like a projection screen, no the one to the right of that. [speaker004:] That one. [speaker001:] That one. [speaker004:] Cool. Well these are functionality requirements from the [disfmarker] our our guys down in the the research lab. Took hundred people and covered all the aspects of what um is needed by people and what they want to see. Um [vocalsound] everything kinda from functionality and how individual functions are [disfmarker] how mu how how often they're used and how much their necessary and stuff. And general opinions about current current remotes. See that, as we kinda noticed, seventy five percent of people find their remote controls ugly. So some kind of a new style should be incorporated that's less ugly [vocalsound]. Uh along with um looking less ugly, if it looks better, eighty percent of people said they'd spend more money on it. Which is a a plus for us, if we can make it look better, it'd be uh more cost effective and we can put the price up. Current remote controls do not match the operating behaviour of the user. I can empl I kinda take that to mean as um [vocalsound] they they don't uh [disfmarker] they, yeah, they only use [disfmarker] they only work for the television or yeah like as in in my flat I've got six remote controls for a stereo system, a digital box, a DVD player, a video player and TV. If it was uh [disfmarker] I mean th my behaviour is to use multiple things at the same time and multiple remotes aren't really matched well to my behaviour. [vocalsound] Uh again, seventy five percent is [disfmarker] seventy five percent of users say they zap a lot. I took to mean that they just [disfmarker] they use it a lot, they use it regularly rather than standing up and manually change channels or volume [gap]. [vocalsound] And uh yeah, uh I think the big issue is fifty percent users only use ten percent of the buttons, 'cause uh wh if we got a remote that like [disfmarker] well we'll have some buttons taken off by the lack of teletext, but uh oh and we're going to see uh on the [disfmarker] uh that some of the functions like audio settings aren't h hardly ever used and used very [disfmarker] aren't considered relevant by the user. So I think maybe fewer buttons, which also make the design look sleeker, I dunno. Uh um yeah and uh frustrations of like people losing remote control. I dunno [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker004:] maybe some kind of system of you press a button on the TV or maybe that's b it would have to incorporate [gap], but like some kind of system where you can f use something else to find the remote control. Maybe like it'll beep or something. And um, yep, the uh time taken to learn new remote controls is [disfmarker] Uh don't want to make it too complicated, easy to use for uh new [disfmarker] like first time users and stuff. And uh repetitive strain injury, I suppose we should make it more comfortable and make ma possibly even use [disfmarker] have to make it, yeah, fewer buttons, like I was saying about the whole mice [disfmarker] the mouse idea of it feels more comfortable. Maybe don't even have to hold it as such. [speaker001:] Mm. Gosh, must be some telly addicts out there if they get RSI from their television remote, is all I can say. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] But uh yeah. It also asked um if we would [disfmarker] if people would pay more for speech recognition [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [gap] [speaker004:] and younger people say they would. And uh there was another section on our [disfmarker] on the report for uh LCD displays, but the data wasn't there, so. I don't actually know what the results for that were, [speaker001:] Mm. Right. Mm. [speaker004:] so. [vocalsound] May be incrementally emitting, but yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah, I must say that um the uh [disfmarker] I c can't remember what [vocalsound] um f you know phone service I was using the other day, but that had sorta speech recognition which worked uh remarkably well, so that is indeed a uh um [speaker004:] And uh [vocalsound] it would cut out the RSI as well if you [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] a thought and it it cuts out uh [disfmarker] I was was gonna say, you can't get a lot of RSI, [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] j just get jaw ache. Okay, sorry. [speaker004:] Yeah, um [disfmarker] oh yeah, so [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] possibly the speech recognition is possibly something could add into the design. Oh, I've got some other things I couldn't fit onto this presentation. Um. You see this okay? Almost [disfmarker] no? It's [disfmarker] sorry it's a bit [gap]. I'll read out to you. Uh functionality, uh like people's opinions on functionality, the relevance to the remote and how often they're used. So um like the power. Using the using the d swi the power switch to switch on TV is a high relevance of nine, but it's not frequently used. You see what I mean? Whereas channel selection, which is very high relevance [speaker001:] Yeah. [vocalsound] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] is used the most. So m we can maybe even start to cut down on [disfmarker] or I was possibly even thinking of a design that maybe some of the buttons are hidden from everyday use. Maybe like uh a folding ledge or something. So that we can maybe go into the channel settings and the audio settings, [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker004:] which are low relevance [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Mm-hmm. I mean [disfmarker] [speaker004:] and rarely used. And keep the v volume selection and channel selection very easily [disfmarker] [speaker003:] It could be [disfmarker] oh uh I was just gonna say uh maybe like the flip phones that they use? Have you seen the new mo mobile phones [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker003:] that flip out and they have the like texting, and then the numbers on one side, [speaker004:] Oh yeah. [speaker003:] so you could have the most [vocalsound] used buttons on top [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker003:] and flip it out or something. [speaker001:] Hmm, hmm. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker004:] Yeah, like the one that like slides back [speaker001:] Uh. Should we actually bite the bullet here? [speaker004:] and the buttons are concealed underneath. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] If people really don't use those buttons to any extent at all um [vocalsound] remove them altogether. [speaker004:] Just remove them completely? [speaker003:] That might be the [disfmarker] [speaker001:] We we could actually have we could actually have a remote control with um [disfmarker] I wonder whether we could get the remote control with no buttons at all if we went for voice recognition, given that um the [disfmarker] [vocalsound] Um now the the age structure we were looking at [disfmarker] um I mean w we had usage by age structure, what we didn't have was what proportion of people using remotes were in those particular age groups. Now [speaker004:] Uh yeah. [speaker001:] do we know whether they [disfmarker] Forty [disfmarker] no sorry [disfmarker] for forty five to fifty five age group, uh to put myself right in the middle of it, um u use remote controls to a great extent. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yes we [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Um no this is for [disfmarker] pay more for speech recognition. [speaker001:] That would 've speech recogn right. So, we're looking at [disfmarker] um well again, we don't know the relative proportion [disfmarker] the relative numbers in the age groups. [speaker004:] Yeah, that's true. [speaker001:] If we wanted something different, truly different, then the buttonless remote control w would be it. [speaker002:] P Well the only problem I can think of with that is if you've got a lot of people that don't wanna be bothered learning how to use new rem remote controls. If you just kind of take away everything that they're used to knowing, that's gonna be quite a change. [speaker001:] But if you just lift it up and say, channel one or BBC [disfmarker] [speaker002:] It might [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Or even [disfmarker] I mean you could even just have it left on. You could just put it down once on top your TV [speaker003:] Maybe i [speaker004:] and never have to [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah, have a big kind of like the satellite box or the cable box [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] and have it just go on the TV and then it doesn't matter where in the room you are, you won't lose it. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] It c well it [disfmarker] I can I can see technical problems with that in terms of the, you know, the sound from the television, [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker003:] No. [speaker001:] because if somebody actually on the television says uh uh, you know, ITV and you're watching BBC then then it might um change itself, [speaker004:] [vocalsound] BBC one. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Oh. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] so it probably needs to be um [disfmarker] possibly actually need a button on it [speaker003:] Yeah, that's true. [speaker001:] just to activate it. [speaker004:] Oh yeah. [speaker001:] Or or something just to identify that you've lifted it up and it's use. And and then just say, oh I don't know, a thought and and then [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] uh I mean that that would certainly be uh truly different. [vocalsound] Um 'cause uh you know audio settings, nought point eight percent. I mean if they weren't there, [speaker004:] Mm-mm. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] would people miss them? [speaker002:] But look at the importance of them. The volume settings. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Relevance of two out of ten, yeah. [speaker001:] Vol volume, [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] yes um [speaker002:] They're not used often [speaker001:] th [vocalsound] [speaker002:] but they are quite important when they're used. [speaker001:] w we need to s identify things that [vocalsound] people actually need [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] and and it's a function of frequency and relevance. And um I would say ignoring ig ignoring power for the moment, um the channel and volume [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] and th w w given given that we've been told to ignore teletext. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Uh channel and volume are the only ones that [vocalsound] uh would appear to be essential. [speaker004:] Stand out. [speaker001:] Um. So [disfmarker] if we can design something that that looks interesting, know, or looks different, um incorporates the the logo and and the colours and um we can still have our interchangeable fascias even if it's [gap] the yellow and grey, um and uh I dunno, buttons or or buttons as an option. [speaker004:] Uh I just had a thought actually, sorry to interrupt. [speaker001:] Do, please. [speaker004:] Uh you were saying about um it could [disfmarker] technical problems of like uh someone on the television saying a channel number and it changed [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] we could maybe have like an activation word. 'Cause I've seen I've seen this used on computers before, [speaker001:] You cer certainly could. [speaker004:] where you just [disfmarker] you address the remote, [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Depe uh i depends whether um [disfmarker] [speaker004:] you address the computer, and then give it a command. [speaker001:] if we want to make this so simple that anybody can walk into the room and lift it up and say [speaker004:] Oh I see. Oh yeah, I see. [speaker001:] BBC one. Um okay, I mean you could print [disfmarker] actually print it on the uh [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Mm-hmm, yeah. [speaker001:] device itself. Um. [speaker004:] I mean I'm just thinking of the point of view of peop you could still like lose this remote. [speaker001:] S th this I th [vocalsound] that's always gonna be a problem I think. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker001:] Um and I I I s so I suppose one um [disfmarker] could make it so desirable that if people lose it they immediately go out and buy another one. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Anyway, sorry, carry on. Do you want to just carry on with [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Oh no I I interrupted you, [speaker001:] or [disfmarker] no no, no [speaker004:] sorry [vocalsound]. [speaker001:] uh b I was in the middle of in the middle of your report there. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Oh okay. Um well, I was just kinda wrapping up there. Yeah, I was thinking um, yeah, maybe such things are relevant. [speaker001:] Mm okay. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] We could make things much more f I think the the eighty percent of people would spend more on uh a remote uh that looks better, combined with uh decrease the [disfmarker] or take out the limited functio functions that we don't really use much. [gap] alright take out teletext, but as for channel settings and stuff it might it might um turn people somewhe peop some people that want the whole functionality away. But, since [disfmarker] if we're marketing a more kind of fashionable approach then it'd [disfmarker] it would be fashion and fashion over practicality. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. S s we could [disfmarker] we could make it dual function [gap] voice recognition and [gap] still have buttons on it um [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Oh, we could, yeah. We c yeah, we could even have it as like a [disfmarker] yeah the buttons control this [speaker001:] 'cause we're [disfmarker] [speaker004:] and the voice functions control the f things that you would do all the time, so. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Certainly could. Yeah, yeah. [speaker004:] So uh yeah, [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker004:] if we could uh [disfmarker] power on and channel selection and and volume selection, wouldn't have to really [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [gap] The [disfmarker] I mean the the advantage of doing away the buttons altogether is it makes the thing cheaper. [speaker004:] Yeah and probably it would look better as well. [speaker001:] No, it cou certainly opens up the possibility for making it uh, you know, visually very distinctive. [speaker004:] Yeah. yeah. [speaker001:] Um 'cause you know, it does not have to be a oblong box. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker004:] Lined with numbered buttons and [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Mm, yeah. Okay, who [disfmarker] sorry, have you have you finished there Andy? [speaker004:] Uh yeah, yeah, that's everything. [speaker001:] Yep, yep. Um [vocalsound] given that we've already had a extensive discussion uh [disfmarker] [vocalsound]. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Okay well, I can do mine. [speaker002:] Hmm. [speaker004:] Do you want the cable? [speaker003:] Yeah, let's see if I can make this work. Um. [speaker002:] Oh, you have to hit like function and F something. [speaker003:] Oh. [speaker004:] F eight. [speaker002:] F eight. [speaker003:] Is it doing [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Dunno. [speaker004:] Uh, give it about twenty seconds, or so. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker001:] Ah, [speaker002:] Oh yeah, [speaker003:] Oh okay. [speaker001:] there we go. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] it's going. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Okay, so this is just about the technical functions. [speaker001:] Alright. [speaker003:] So the method, I looked online for examples of other similar products and then just kind of was trying to brainstorm some possible design ideas and um identify what the necessary things are, what people are [disfmarker] what you really wanna have a remote control do. Um and then there are two different kinds that I found. There's a user centred one and an engineering centred one which I will have pictures of and then we kinda have to decide which one this should be. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] So these are the two different ones. This one um [disfmarker] this is the user centred, [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] it has uh quite a few mm uh um fewer buttons and then this is the engineering centred, which has a lot more buttons, [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] and probably this is one that people complain about, about having too many buttons that you don't use. So basically, what a remote control is is you [disfmarker] it's to send messages to the television set, you know, turn on, off, switch the channels and the volume and things such as that. And so for this product it's gonna be television only, and then it has to have the uh logos for the company and the colours. And so, for my personal preferences, I think this one is easier to use and has quite a [disfmarker] you know, fewer buttons. Um we want something that sends messages easily to the television and I was kind of wondering about this example that they have. It looks kind of narrow at the top, and I was thinking maybe if it were wider at the top, [speaker001:] Mm, yeah. [speaker003:] then that would be easier. Um [vocalsound] and so we have to decide what's gonna make our product different. E the unique style, maybe have it light up so it's visible in the dark, um the changeable face-plates, and the lighting up and visible I was [disfmarker] when we were talking about havi losing it, maybe to have a button on the television that you press and it [disfmarker] maybe if it makes a noise or lights up or something like that, so it's easier to find if someone has hidden under the couch or something like that. So that's my presentation. Yeah. [speaker001:] Okay, can I um [disfmarker] I'm actually gonna use the um [disfmarker] it's gonna cause great technical problems over here. I'm actually gonna use the [disfmarker] [speaker003:] F they probably clip to you. [speaker002:] Oh yeah, they might be movable. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Oh yeah, they're all [disfmarker] they're not connected to anything on the table, you just leave 'em on and walk around with 'em. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yes, rather than the uh the the traditional [disfmarker] in fact, um I won't even go that far. Um something like this shape, you know, sort of something that you can [disfmarker] that's sort of a more vertical shape, um that you you sort of hold in your hand, um, well I'm trying to think uh uh uh l uh l such as [disfmarker] I mean um something you hold up like that, possibly with a couple of buttons like that, but with the the entire top with the, you know, the uh the infrared or whatever source. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] Uh so that you know, it's flying off in all directions, [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] so that uh um uh [vocalsound] again the [disfmarker] n need to look at the the the technicalities of um [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] actually achieving that in terms of whether the, you know, the power requirements of the uh [disfmarker] such a source, um you know, compromise the [disfmarker] our our need for uh you know, it it being um mm permanently uh you know, available. Uh whether whether different technology [disfmarker] um I mean th all all these remotes are presumably infrared, and like they have been for a long time. Uh we we possibly need to be looking at at at something different, um you know, short range, not like the old uh radio remote controls where you'd change next door's telly when you change yours. Um [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] but uh uh I think basically i if we're going for [disfmarker] i if minimum number of buttons is our priority, then we should, as I say, r know, really bite the bullets and and reduce the buttons to absolute minimum, you know, possibly with backup channel and volume buttons and on off. Um and nothing else. [vocalsound] Um so that it can al it could uh almost end up like that, but again, except that um [disfmarker] you know the risk of losing it. Um anyway okay um so Kate, wh what are your uh your thoughts on this? [speaker002:] Yes, mm. [gap] [speaker003:] Oh. [speaker002:] Which one does this plug into? [speaker003:] Hmm I think it's all there. [speaker002:] That one. [speaker003:] H [speaker002:] I can't [disfmarker] did you [gap] [disfmarker] could you see it on you screen when it [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Oh yeah. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] That's not cool. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] That's kind of strange. [speaker002:] Oh well. Anyways. Um alright, yeah, so um I'll just do my presentation on the working design uh. [vocalsound] Oh there we go. Okay um just at the m yeah the whole sort of method of how the remote control works. Uh the basic function of the remote control is to send messages to another sh system, the the TV or the DVD player or whatever. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Um and it does this uh by [disfmarker] well, you need [disfmarker] to start off you need an energy source [vocalsound] and this energy source will feed into an integrated circuit chip and the circuit chip is the part that actually composes the different messages uh within the remote um which will then be sent to the uh the television, the DVD to tell that what to do. Um and you need a user interface, which controls the chip and thus the messages and uh the user interface is [disfmarker] that's basically just you kn the s sorta design of the actual remote which you hold in your hands and what buttons will be on it. Um [disfmarker] Oh shoot. Okay. Uh just general findings. Uh what we need uh technically speaking for the remote control is some sort of energy source, [vocalsound] uh some sort of user interface, which I think we've mostly been talking about the user interface and the design of that. Um a circuit chip within that to uh control and send the messages and um a sender and receiver. And um [disfmarker] oops. Uh-huh. This is just sort of a little schematic diagram of what we're looking for. Uh this just kinda represents the energy source [speaker004:] Hmm. [speaker002:] which feeds into the circuit chip uh which maybe then we could have that feed into a switch which would send signals f to um [vocalsound] a subcomponent and on to a light bulb between [disfmarker] so it'll light up once we start [disfmarker] once you start pressing buttons. Um also send signals to the um infrared bulb, which will be the part that actually [disfmarker] [vocalsound] what? Sends signals to the the television. And then you've got your happy little TV watcher there. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] And so my personal preferences [disfmarker] I I just think we need sorta big uh energy source that won't die out, uh perhaps some sort of rechargeable battery or a battery dock you could place it in, so it'd constantly be charged, so you wouldn't have to uh be worrying about it running out of batteries and not changing channels for you. Uh a wide range uh sender-receiver, so that you can hit the buttons from basically anywhere in the room, and the channel'll still be changed. Uh also definitely a user-friendly interface [vocalsound] um and I think we've all sort of mentioned adding a a locating device on it, so when it does get stuck under the couch cushions, as they inevitably do, you can find them easily. And that's pretty much it. [speaker001:] Okay. Uh it seems seems to me there are a number of fundamental decisions to make [speaker002:] Mm. [gap] [speaker001:] before we um [disfmarker] I think your point about the the big energy source is uh a very valid one. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] Um I don't suppose we've got any statistics on the the life expectancy of uh remote controls, particularly sort of independent ones. Um given you know, the number of things you buy these days, which you know, have a a a lithium whatever battery in, that's uh, you know never needs replacing. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Um perhaps we should have the the disposable remote control, uh um you know, one [disfmarker] some sort of typical usage. You know, the the the battery will last know, five, ten years. By which time [disfmarker] I mean when all's said and done, the digital television [vocalsound] will be taking over in that time scale. Um [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] uh uh p perhaps we should, know, reduce the uh, you know, the sort of moving parts even more by not even having a battery compartment and uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Just having one that's guaranteed to last five to ten years? [speaker001:] Yeah, and if if anybody manages to run it down, we'll we'll give 'em a new one. [speaker002:] Oh, cool. [vocalsound] Yeah, fair enough. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Um it's, you know, it's [disfmarker] what it saves in cost and you know there there's a [disfmarker] well, it's actually a marketing gimmick. I mean it's hardly a gimmick, it's uh it's totally practical. Uh so I th think you know the idea of a rechargeable one is um uh unless you're really high tech and it sort of just recharges itself if it's n by, you know, magnetic waves or whatever, if if it [disfmarker] [speaker004:] It could have like uh [disfmarker] know like a cordless phone in your house it s got like a base that sits there all the time. [speaker001:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Mm, mm. [speaker001:] Are are people really gonna use it though? Um. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] I suppose, yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah, people are pro [speaker002:] Mm yeah [vocalsound] [speaker003:] I would think that people might forget [disfmarker] I mean people forget to put their cordless phones back on there, [speaker004:] [gap] [speaker001:] I I th I think [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Mm-mm. [speaker003:] so. [speaker001:] Yeah, [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] it's um [disfmarker] I mean I know that somei times my my wife goes out in the morning and says oh I should have put the phone on to charge [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] and then then she's had those for so long that if she hasn't worked that out by now. Um. [speaker002:] 'Cause I only remember to charge my cell phone uh when battery dies. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] And that's pretty much [disfmarker] [speaker001:] When it [disfmarker] yeah, wh when it's died is a problem. [speaker002:] yeah. Yeah, when it turns itself off, that's when I plug it in, [speaker001:] Yeah, yeah, [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] yeah, [gap] so uh um [speaker002:] yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] what so wh what what do we think about the um the the permanent mm battery? [speaker002:] Yeah, think that's a good idea. [speaker004:] Uh. That sounds pretty good, yeah. [speaker003:] No. [speaker001:] Is the uh [disfmarker] you know, we we we are really going for the ultimate in ex uh external simplicity here. [speaker003:] Um. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] Um you know, cut cost within the manufacturing and uh you know, if we have a high tech interior, then then that that sh may well be cost effective. [speaker003:] Do they make batteries that last that long? [speaker001:] I mean th th certainly. Um I can't think of anything off the s top of my head, [speaker002:] [vocalsound] They usually have the little light uh [vocalsound] source, [speaker001:] but there are certainly things that you buy. I mean calculators for example. [speaker002:] I dunno what the heck they're called, [speaker003:] Yeah, they have that little solar [disfmarker] [speaker002:] the [disfmarker] but yeah, the little cells [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Som well some do, [speaker002:] that [disfmarker] [speaker001:] I mean th th but there are battery ones [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] that um are you know, sort of permanently sealed. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] In in fact I'd [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Most of them, don't they have sort of a combination of the two, like when there is light, they'll work off the light, and if there isn't, they'll kick into this battery, [speaker001:] Yeah, uh uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] so we can maybe do something like that whereas there is a battery, but if there's enough light, then it's using the light, so that it's not actually draining the battery all the time, [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker002:] but you will have the battery there for when you need it. [speaker001:] Yeah, I I mean th th this needs going t into the technology a bit. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] I mean the the actual time that a remote control is actually operating [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] I would think is i is is probably, you know, no more than minutes in its entire life. [speaker002:] Oh, [speaker001:] Um. [gap] [speaker002:] it depend if it's [disfmarker] uh depends who who's using it, who's just sitting there clicking clicking clicking clicking, [speaker003:] Yeah, some people are [disfmarker] [speaker001:] If, but I say if if people are getting RSI from it then uh then uh then then perhaps we're looking at the wrong market [speaker002:] yeah. Yeah, [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker002:] then they're clicking a lot, yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] W like like this um this uh market research thing says number of times per hour that it's used, channel selection a hundred and sixty eight [speaker001:] n [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Per hour? [speaker004:] times per hour. [speaker001:] Right. [speaker002:] Yeah. [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker003:] Wow. [vocalsound] That's a lot. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Oh, I must admit I hadn't um [disfmarker] I'd I'd missed that. That does sound excessive. [speaker004:] But then again, if you think it [disfmarker] of the amount of, you know amount of use it's like [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [gap] [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] That's [disfmarker] it's less than a second, um. [speaker002:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Well that's right, and and I I don't I don't even know whether the I don't even know whether the s the signal lasts as long as you actually keep the button pressed, [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] or whether it's just a [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker001:] sorta tenth of a second, no matter how long you press it for, I don't know I don't actually know. Um. [speaker003:] Though I think with digital TV, like I know on my cable box, you're not supposed to do that because the channel can't keep up with it if you just press it like that, [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker003:] so you're supposed to use the menu and go through the different [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] channels that way instead of [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Mm. [gap] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Right, so I've got a message to say five minutes, I dunno how long ago that appeared. Um 'cause we're we're getting [speaker003:] Uh-oh. [speaker001:] um [disfmarker] right, so I'd [disfmarker] I need to sum up very quickly here um. [vocalsound] We're looking at extreme simplicity. We're looking at a radically different shape. Possibly no buttons at all um, but if you can incorporate um channel change and volume buttons um in into the design, then then that's fine. Um in the [disfmarker] I mean the the role of the of the um the user interface des designer becomes b you know more important here, because, you know, shape is no longer an a uh um a serious constraint. But we clearly only need th the main buttons, although, uh if [disfmarker] clearly only need the main functions. Um I don't see why we shouldn't go for voice recognition um and the the only buttons that I think we need are channel control, volume control and on off. Um it needs to incorporate the corporate logo, uh the the grey and yellow colour scheme and [vocalsound] there's no reason why we can't introduce um interchangeable uh covers. [vocalsound] Um uh d so does that accurately summarise what we've discussed? [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yep. Hmm. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Right. [speaker003:] Um [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] So uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Oh [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yeah. We are doing just the television. [speaker003:] I just have one question. So are we doing just the television or are we doing [disfmarker] so not DVD players, [speaker001:] No. [speaker003:] we okay, okay. [speaker001:] I think that's quite clear from the the information that we've been given, [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] no? [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker004:] Yeah, like in the email of television only. In fact they're [gap] in the constraints email that I got. [speaker001:] Right. [speaker004:] Didn't you mention the teletext, just television only? [speaker001:] Oh yeah well [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] th that's one I s that's one I sent you, [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] which which was my interpretation of uh of the uh [disfmarker] what came down from from head office. Um [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Oh okay. [vocalsound] Oh yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Oh [vocalsound] okay. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] That's [vocalsound] that that that that's their uh their view. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Okay, so uh we can all give some thought to that uh for for the next meeting, thank you very much indeed. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker002:] Cool. [speaker003:] [vocalsound]

[speaker001:] Okay everybody is ready? [vocalsound] Good morning again. So, today we are going to have a f second meeting. Oh Michael, hi. [speaker002:] Yep. [speaker001:] You're late. You have a good reason for that? [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yes. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Very good [vocalsound]. [vocalsound] Okay, let's have a look to the agenda today. [vocalsound] So, we are going to have a meeting about the functional design. Um so first before starting I w just going to uh to go quickly to [disfmarker] through the minutes of previous meeting. So uh [vocalsound] basically we we are not decided if w we should go for a universal or specific uh uh remote control, but I have new um new i inputs for [disfmarker] about that topics. I goin I'm going to share with you. [vocalsound] And uh basically we decided to um to uh go to individual actions for each of you uh so um Industrial Designer should wor was supposed to work on th on th on the working design. [speaker003:] Yep. [speaker001:] You showed us [disfmarker] you ar you you prepare something for us? [speaker003:] Yeah. Yep. [speaker001:] The UI guy also uh work on that, yeah, and for the mar our Marketing Expert should deliver some specs. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] Alright [vocalsound] so [vocalsound] so we are going to go through three of your individual presentations. But first I would like quickly to uh to decide of [disfmarker] to give a name to the project. So, I just put d quickly Remo, but if you have any o other names that we co could decide for just to to keep something fun for our project we we should [disfmarker] we could discuss quickly. Any ideas? [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Uh the Powerstick. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Powerstick, yeah. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] What else? What else? [speaker004:] Uh. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Maybe a Spanish name would work well. [speaker004:] Mm I was thinking of the [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Especially if we're selling into the US market becasue there's a lot of Spanish speakers there. Maybe something that sounds cool in English but sounds funny in Spanish. [speaker004:] Mando. [speaker002:] Mando. What is that? [speaker001:] Mango? Mango? [speaker004:] Mando. [speaker001:] Mando. MA? MA? [speaker004:] AN yeah DO. [speaker001:] M DO. Mm, okay. [speaker004:] It doesn't it doesn't sound cool for me, [speaker001:] What does it mean? [speaker004:] but maybe for a Spanish [disfmarker] for I [disfmarker] for [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Oh. [speaker002:] What does it mean in Spanish? [speaker004:] Control. [speaker002:] Control. [speaker001:] Hmm. Nice. [speaker002:] Okay. 'Cause it also [disfmarker] like in English it sounds like you know the man's tool you know because you know men like to have control of the remote [speaker004:] But [disfmarker] mm, yeah. [speaker002:] so it might [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Mando sounds Latino. [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] The Mando. [speaker001:] Okay. [vocalsound] So, let's go for Mando? Yeah? No objection? [speaker003:] Yeah, yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah that's [gap]. [speaker001:] Great. [speaker002:] And we could have some like you d [speaker001:] So [disfmarker] [speaker002:] you could have the fonts you know special, so you have man in like in in uh in one o in one font and then the O as like [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Okay, I think this is [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Although you don't wanna cut uh cut women out of the uh potential buyers though, [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] do you? So [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah they are the most TV watcher. So we should be careful. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Okay, I think this is more a question of of [disfmarker] [speaker004:] But [disfmarker] yeah [speaker002:] Marketing. [speaker004:] it uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] I I think this is more a question of of look and feel. Something that should be addressed later We should we should go to other [disfmarker] for the other topics. [speaker004:] Yeah because if the product will be international [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Well that's the thing. We need to know who we're selling it to before we can really decide on a [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah okay, so let's stick f to Man Mando for the name [speaker002:] Um. [speaker001:] and we'll see for the for the look and feel later. So let's go for the three presentations right now. So, who want to start? [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Maybe maybe I should uh start. [speaker001:] So maybe we could start with the market, yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. Mm. Okay. [speaker001:] Okay so I have your slides somewhere? [speaker004:] Yeah. Should be in participant four. [speaker001:] Participant four. [vocalsound] This one? [speaker004:] Yeah, yeah. [vocalsound] Uh. [speaker001:] S that's coming. Uh [gap] [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yep. [speaker001:] okay. Great. [speaker004:] Okay so yeah I will I will give a brief outline about what I what I prepared for this meeting. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] For the functional requirements and especially for the for the user requirements. I prepare a marketing report and we have to find the weaknesses and and the the improvements we could do to the current remote controls. And also I di I did a study with [disfmarker] for the incorporation of new technologies it seems that the remote controls have been [disfmarker] have remained the same for the last five, ten years. There is no no significant difference between the the b the first new controls and [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker001:] Sh next slide? Okay. [speaker004:] Well [vocalsound] [vocalsound] more [disfmarker] most of the people think that remote controls are ugly, thoroughly. So and they they admit that the the they should uh s they would uh spend more money in a fancier remote control, which is which is good and it's interesting point. Also the people are worried about about the RSI disease, which is if you repeat the sa the same movement, which is not a [disfmarker] with a not very appropriate device, you you will have problems whe when you will get old. So s people are uh are worried about the the shape of the of the remote control. They are also [vocalsound] [disfmarker] they get angry very often because they lost the remote control very often, so I think it would be a good point to to l to to find a a solution to [disfmarker] any beep any alarm or something incorporated to [disfmarker] with the remote control every time it it get lost. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] And also I found that young people [disfmarker] the the younger people are the more interested they are in incorporating new technologies in the in the remote control. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] So [vocalsound] [vocalsound] in my opinion the Mando [disfmarker] this Mando shouldn't be very small because the smaller it is, the more like [disfmarker] the the liklier it is to get lost. Liklier or more likely? [speaker002:] More likely. [gap] [speaker004:] [gap] likely. Okay. Uh [vocalsound] people also complain because they they they all have the same size of the buttons for buttons who w which are not very use like f uh memorising channels or or this kind of actions which are not very often but [vocalsound] they they shouldn't they shouldn't have the same importance in the in the uh in the remote cont in the remote control. Also the z the design should fit the hand shape. So it may be interesting to to think in a [disfmarker] in both prototypes, for right and left handed people. [speaker002:] Well th the on the thing is though, most remote controls are used by more than one person. So unless you're kind of targeting single people you know you're gonna maybe [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker002:] cut out some [disfmarker] a lot of your market. [speaker004:] I dunno I th Anyway I think it could be int interesting to to release some [disfmarker] a a small fraction of of this remote controls. [speaker003:] Well maybe it could be a universal design. [speaker004:] Sorry? [speaker003:] A universal design, which is which is good for both the hands. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Still shaped for yeah for your hand but not for a particular hand, right? [speaker003:] Yeah? That's right, whether it's left hand or right hand, [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] but but [vocalsound] don't you think that the two points are clashing, one thing you are saying design should fit the hand shape and it should not be very small? [speaker004:] Sorry? [speaker003:] The first and the third point, they are clashing. [speaker002:] Well it can still be a [gap], you can still extend past the hand. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker004:] Like uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Uh. [speaker003:] So fitting the hand doesn't mean much then. [speaker002:] Well it means [disfmarker] like, this remote here is kind of [disfmarker] is very thin and long so instead of having [disfmarker] you know you might have it kind of [disfmarker] a bit bigger [speaker003:] Mm-hmm mm-hmm. [speaker004:] Yeah, like [disfmarker] [speaker002:] or, you know, with maybe some some finger molds or something. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm mm-hmm mm-hmm. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] So it means design should be similar to the traditional ones? [speaker002:] [gap] [speaker003:] Little sleek, longer? [speaker002:] [gap] [speaker004:] No no [speaker003:] And it should fit the hand. [speaker004:] I was thinking of so like something [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Something with the shape of the palm? [speaker004:] yeah. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm mm-hmm mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Some finger grips maybe. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] You could even have some buttons like you know on the sides and everything, [speaker001:] On the sides. [speaker004:] Yeah yeah. It sh it shouldn't it shouldn't be symmetric symmetrical. [speaker002:] but [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Mm-hm mm-hmm mm-hmm. [speaker004:] Not anymore. That's what [disfmarker] yeah. [speaker001:] And then finally [disfmarker] [speaker004:] And finally, the incorporation of a LCD or a speech recognition system in the remote control could also be interesting, but I don't know if the budget would be large enough. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. First I'm just wondering about the LCD stuff [speaker004:] But most of [disfmarker] yeah most of the young people to thirty to thirty years old were really interested in this kind of technology. [speaker001:] because uh because [disfmarker] Yeah, so maybe it's a good time for me to uh [vocalsound] to bring you to some new uh new informations. We had the new requirements from the [disfmarker] so uh from the head offices of the company, and so they wanted [disfmarker] so they want to um [disfmarker] they would like to be restricted to TV. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Okay, I dunno if you had this information already. [speaker002:] No. [speaker001:] No, so they want us to restrict the remote control to TV only because of time limitations. Um they want also uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Actually this marketing report is restricted to TV remote controls. [speaker001:] Excellent. So we have also to focus more on the internet aspects because well well te teletext is outdated now and uh finally, [vocalsound] it should be clear that the corporate image, that means colours and logos of the co our company should be clearly inde identified in the product. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] I was still uh I was still working on this uh twenty five Euro price point [speaker001:] So [disfmarker] [speaker002:] because I think actually having looked at some of the remotes out there, this is quite a low uh price if if we're [disfmarker] maybe I can get to this in my presentation though, but um yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah yeah. Sure sure. So maybe we can jump to your presentations, right now. [speaker002:] Yep. Okay. [speaker001:] Okay so let's keep in mind about tha that that [disfmarker] this last point about LCD and speech uh reco [speaker002:] Yeah. I think even even if it was within budget do a speech reco rec system it might be a bit difficult because if you think [disfmarker] if you're watching TV you're gonna have a lot of this uh background noise from the TV which might interfere with the [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Sorry, what is your [gap]? [speaker002:] Uh participant three. You might have some background noise from the TV which will make the speech recognition much uh harder, so. [speaker004:] Yeah but you should be able to activate or disactivate, so [disfmarker] yeah yeah. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Oh you press a press a button to talk, and the the TV the TV [vocalsound] sound turns off. [gap] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah uh channel fifty. Yeah. [speaker003:] No it could be command control kind of thing. It requir recognises particular sequence and then it gets activated. Means you say [disfmarker] you should say like does that, remote control being on or be on kind of thing, and then remote control comes in the picture for the speech recognition. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Because this kind of thing means speech is there from the TV also. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] So there should be something command controlled, you start and then you stop. [speaker002:] Mm. Yeah. [speaker003:] It's like VI editor, you are having two modes similarly. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Otherwise it's just lying idle. [speaker001:] Okay Michael. [speaker002:] Okay, so, could I describe the mouse maybe [gap] be easier to [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Sorry? [speaker002:] could I use the mouse, or [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Um yeah. [speaker002:] Mm. Thanks. Okay. [speaker001:] The wheel doesn't work. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Great [vocalsound]. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Okay so um while uh researching this this topic I first of all just thought of a couple of things that I would like to see in a remote, and just uh looked to see if they're actually available in any current remotes, and then also searched for which are the top-rated uh remote controls on Epinions dot com, which is a a you know a a customer um written basically review site. So um there's a pretty wide range of uh remote controls these days and and uh this remote control on the right here is is one of the more extravagant, but it's not really [disfmarker] it's by no means uh mm you know [vocalsound] on it's own in being so expensive. There are a lot of expensive remote controls out there. [speaker001:] [gap] Looks like a PDA [gap]? [speaker002:] So [disfmarker] [vocalsound] yeah it doe it's [disfmarker] well basically all the functions uh are controlled through through the LCD screen except for the really really kind of main functions, which have a couple of of their own buttons. Um and if you look at a lot of the universal remotes out um on the market, I know we're working on television remote, but a lot of the universal remotes out there have uh have these LCD screens which kind of helps when you're using multiple uh devices I suppose because you can have multiple kind of functions [disfmarker] d different functions on the screen at different times. But um the thing that I find most interesting about this remote control, and it's kind of difficult to uh to see in the slide, but it has a scroll wheel on it, which is kind of like uh a mouse scroll wheel, which I think is [disfmarker] it's a really kind of important design aspect um is [disfmarker] it's [disfmarker] 'Cause the thing is what a [vocalsound] what we [disfmarker] the presen this presentation we had is what we want the remote control to actually do. And obviously the the simplest thing that a remote control does is it just change the change the channel. [speaker003:] Change the channels. Yeah. [speaker002:] Now um uh the [disfmarker] I think that a scroll wheel is actually pretty a pretty handy way of of changing the channel. 'Cause I know when I um when I use the remote to change the channel I very rarely use the numbers on the on the pad. [speaker003:] Mmm-hmm mm-hmm. [speaker002:] I usually use the up and down [speaker003:] Yeah yeah. [speaker002:] because most channels are you know two digit numbers and you have to press you know a special button to enter a two-digit number, and then two numbers, so that's just uh [disfmarker] it's annoying. So I think a scroll wheel is is quite handy. Now um the the scroll wheel is is much more useful if you have an LCD screen, and this brings us to the the point you were mentioning before about the internet uh capability. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] One possibility, if we [disfmarker] now we need to still talk about the price point because obviously a lot of this stuff can't be done for twenty five Eu uh Euro, but one possibility is to download program information into the LCD screen so that instead of actually saying I want to I want to go to channel thirty seven because I know this programme's on, you know, often you don't know what ch what channel it's on, or you don't know what's on. If you have a list of of programs on your LCD screen you just scroll to that program rather than to a channel. So if you think about [disfmarker] it's kind of like a [disfmarker] you know in mobile phones now you don't use [disfmarker] you don't remember people's phone number, you remember their name and you go find that name and ring it. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] So this would be pretty [disfmarker] kind of a handy thing to have, but um we we really need t to discuss the price. So, I mean there are [vocalsound] there are uh cheaper [disfmarker] this is another multi kinda purpose remote control where it's it's it's very simple, there's only a few buttons, but al each of those buttons does something different in a different context. So this is something else we might wanna consider, is really kind of limiting the number of buttons, because this is the top rating uh universal remote control on on Epinions. It it's really uh maybe worth thinking about limiting the number of buttons as much as as possible um because really I think people want to be able to find the button they're looking for without even looking at the remote control. And [gap] was saying before about having different size buttons for different you know frequently used uh tasks, but I think also you know the location and and shape of the buttons is important, but also the number of buttons. So if you have too many buttons it it it increases the the difficulty of finding the one you want. [speaker003:] But there is one problem [gap] then the user has to understand each of that functionality. [speaker002:] So [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Yeah well we w [speaker003:] Because the same button is doing too many things. [speaker002:] Yeah well we will have a bit of a simpler uh task in that we're only doing uh a television remote control. Um I think maybe one option is to have you know a little flip-open um door that uh that you have hidden most of the time, but contains the extra buttons like, say, the number buttons for instance. Um [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] I I would [disfmarker] if I had my perfect remote control, I'd probably just have no numbers at all on it because they're just in the way. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] They don't really do anything. Maybe you know I [disfmarker] although I do also find flip-open doors a bit of a pain because sometimes they can break off or or whatever, but maybe a door that you can you can permanantly remove or permanantly have on would be good. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Um [vocalsound] but I think definitely you need to to keep the buttons down to a minimum, but not not let that kind of interfere with the functionality of of the device. Um [disfmarker] [speaker004:] H I think I think that the tr the transition to this to this new remote control shouldn't be very very abrupt very hard because w if people see a remo see the [disfmarker] see a remote control without numbers mm they will think it's very difficult to learn very difficult to [disfmarker] very different build [disfmarker] very different to the traditional [disfmarker] [speaker003:] It does sampling out of the [gap]. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Well I guess that depends on how you market it. If you [vocalsound] if you have the right advertisement showing how how how easy it is and how you can, you know, navigate to a program without the numbers, then people might say that looks pretty easy. [speaker004:] If y [speaker001:] Okay, can you continue, please Mi? [speaker002:] So, but [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [gap] [speaker002:] yep. Um okay, so, I think um one of the really kind of useful things you can do with with internet connectivity would be to have this [disfmarker] a programme driven interface rather than the channel number. So if we can have a higher priced uh remote control I think that would really be worth uh [disfmarker] something that would be worth implementing. Um mm there's the LCD screen, um which maybe maybe is too expensive, um but I think also at the scroll wheel, I haven't mentioned it here, the scroll wheel could be used without an LCD screen, just for changing channel numbers easily. I think even that, [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] I mean, that would be a fairly cheap thing, compared to an LCD screen, to implement, [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] um but I think that would be quite useful as well. And the other thing, you say we need to we need to keep it just television, but I think one [disfmarker] maybe one option, since this is supposed to be a kind of a fashionable device, is you know there's a certain kind of cool or wow factor that you can kind of [disfmarker] you can have with technology, and maybe we wanna make it something that's [vocalsound] extensible to do other tasks. Say you have like um [vocalsound] a little another little kind of base unit that can also receive signals as well as the television where you can, say uh, change the lighting in the room. You know that would be something maybe you could sell as an extra, so that it doesn't have to be part of the initial development, but, you know, later on you could you can you know you [disfmarker] also, selling the potential of the device. Then you say potentially you can then do other cool stuff like change the lights, I dunno, close the windows, whatever, turn the heating on, and um, I think that's something we may need to have as as [disfmarker] at least as an optional extra to to kinda make our product cool, since we say we're putting the fashion in electronics. [speaker001:] Okay. [vocalsound] Okay. Okay, thanks. [vocalsound] [gap] you want to go? [speaker003:] Yep. So [disfmarker] yeah. [speaker002:] [gap] [speaker001:] [gap] [speaker003:] So most of the things which we are discussing about is speech recognition uh, that means on my own I [disfmarker] [speaker001:] This one? [speaker003:] yeah, it should be. [speaker001:] Great. No, not that one. [gap] you are two. [speaker003:] Two. [speaker001:] Alright. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Okay so the working design is uh user i interface could be of two types, one is the usual press buttons which are there so that the user feels that he is knoing [disfmarker] doing some he is knowing about that technology. So he is pretty comfortable if he wants to get this, and on top of that there there could be a speech recognition technology also being [disfmarker] sitting on the on the remote. So the old kind of users who don't want to have any changes, it can it can be useful for them, and the new users, as uh our Marketing Expert was saying, they can use the new gizmo which is speech recognition kind of thing. [speaker001:] Okay, sorry to interrupt you, but we have seen before that there is a new way of interacting that use wheel. [speaker003:] That's right. So anyway, that didn't come into my mind, [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] so th that is a possibility. These could be other kind of interfaces. Means we can have, depending on the cost, how much we can afford, we can have different kind of interfaces. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] So spe buttons are something which is very [disfmarker] everybody is familiar with. So if you go to the market and you say that buttons are there the people know what it is, [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] and on top of that if we are having extra functionality people are willing to shell that twenty-five Euros money which we are thinking. Otherwise we are just like others in the market. So anyway that is the first, user interface could be of more than one type, and uh yeah that means we can do the on-line changes which which cannot be done now actually. So apart from the speech, we can have the scroll kind of thing with the buttons. Now for buttons, normal requirements like bit coding and all those things are required. And for voice, limited vocabulary automatic speech recognition system is required and we require a microphone also to be sitting there on the remote. [speaker001:] Yeah. That increases the the cost also. [speaker003:] Uh that's right. But uh means we have to see how much [disfmarker] what kind of microphones and stuff like that. [speaker001:] Do you think that performance of such systems are enough to to target well [disfmarker] of such technologies is enough? [speaker003:] Uh yes, if it is limited vocabulary usually it's enough. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] Yeah we we can uh target, means we can target ninety five percent accuracy or somewhere ninety seven perc [speaker001:] Well wh uh I imagine also that the microphone will be an ambiance um a um an ambience microphones [speaker002:] Hmm. [speaker003:] That's right. [speaker001:] because you are not going to speak into into th into the remote control. [speaker003:] No it it could be little d yeah it could be [disfmarker] [speaker001:] So it could be s a few centimetres. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Well one one other thing that that speech recognition could really blow out the price for is uh when you want to sell into other markets, though, [speaker003:] That's right. That's right. [speaker002:] because, I'm not sure exactly where we're gonna sell this, but I presume it's not gonna just be English speaking countries. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] So then you have to s you know, you have to train models for [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Mm-hmm mm-hmm. Uh it's more like, means there are different speech technologies which are existing so DTW could be kind of which is the easiest. So you have to store some templates on the on the on the chip itself, and [vocalsound] it's just dynamic time warping where you try to find out what it is, instead of having a model which has to be trained and being a micro-controller. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Okay. Okay we shou we should discuss this la later after after after this this uh slide. [speaker003:] Yeah, that's right. Yeah. So we can [speaker001:] This is a this is a this is a a very important uh issue in discussion. [speaker003:] That's right. Yep. [speaker001:] Okay, next. [speaker003:] Yep. [speaker001:] Uh that finished? [speaker003:] No no. Components. [speaker001:] No? Components? [speaker003:] Yeah. So, will you go to the next slide? [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yes sure. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yeah so this is the design which we are thinking so. We are having a power button and the switch [vocalsound], which is not much, [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] and then we are having the [gap] which is to indicate whether the power is on or not. And then there are two kind of things which can be [disfmarker] so one is the button interface which has not been shown because because of lack of time [vocalsound]. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] So we could not put that. So now where the ASR decoder is sitting, similarly there are different kind of interfaces which could be there. So there is ASR decoder which could be there, and then there could be another scroll button scroll scroller, and then there could be buttons, and all of them they will just do the decoding and put it in the math put it in the proper message format. And then there is there is the chip which is sitting, the green one, and it converts it into bit codes, and that bit codes are sent by the infrared device to the receiver. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] So this is the easiest design the there could be. So th an ASR decoder we can have things in [gap]. To have different technologies. So this was the [disfmarker] my personal preference was that we can have ASR sitting there on the remote control. [speaker002:] You know I guess you could actually train the remote control as you're using it by saying you know [vocalsound] turn volume up, and you press the uh press the button [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] like uh s people teach sign language to kids f well, by speaking and doing [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah but uh as soon as you try to put the microchip kind of thing or something the price will go up. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] So these are the slight problems. [speaker001:] So your your opinion is that we should go for special condition technologies? [speaker003:] Because [disfmarker] yeah the reason is that if we go into the market means [disfmarker] though I don't have much idea, but as he [disfmarker] the uh Marketing Expert presentation was [disfmarker] [speaker004:] I'm sure if you can sell a a speech recognition remote control for twenty five Euros everyo [vocalsound] everyone will s will buy it. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] Actually I'm not so sure [speaker003:] [vocalsound] So if we go with just the [disfmarker] [speaker004:] I'm sure. [speaker002:] because I'm the [disfmarker] you know if I was using a remote control to, say, turn the volume up because I can't hear it very well, I don't really want to you know drown out what people are saying by talking you know when I'm when I'm [disfmarker] instead of pressing up on on a remote control. You know if there's some there's some dialogue all of a sudden that I can't hear, I'm trying to actually find out what's being said, [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] so maybe speech recognition gets in the way more than it helps. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Okay so [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah but you know the the average frequency of pushing buttons, it's about [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Well it depends if it's a remote control th [speaker004:] it's about eighty eighty eighty pushes per hour, or something like that. [speaker002:] Maybe if the remote control is something that y you don't actually have to pick up anymore, that would be a a useful feature of the speech recogntion. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] If you can leave it sitting on the table and you don't actually have to find it, then that could be [gap]. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Okay gentlemens, we have to take some deci decisions right now. [speaker003:] Alright. [speaker001:] Um so if I if I kind of summarise everything we've de we we said. We are targeting TV. [vocalsound] We need [vocalsound] we need to have um um remote control which is fanc fancy, which is uh which is easy to to hand not too small, not too big. Um we have [disfmarker] [speaker004:] With a good shape for the [disfmarker] [speaker001:] or good shape, yes. We should bring new technologies for young peoples, and uh as we have uh also requirements to to use uh to to push thr toward the internet. Maybe this is something we can stick to it. And um [vocalsound] also, a very interesting things I I I've seen on on on the [disfmarker] one of the comp o our competitor is this wheel that we can use to navigate. So so my feeling is that re regarding costs budget we have an an an target price, it's not possible to go s to go to LCD [vocalsound] and also to go to automatic speech recognition technologies. Uh first m m why not to go to LCD. Because um in fact as we are targeting uh TV [disfmarker] in fact we can use TV screen as a screen to feedback [disfmarker] to to give some feedback informations about what we could have. [speaker002:] Well it depends though [disfmarker] well it depends. If we we don't [disfmarker] unless we have some input some video input to the TV or we have control over the TV then we can't actually display that. Like if we if we produce the TVs then then yeah we can put you know menus up up there, but otherwise we need to actually have some kind of [disfmarker] something sitting in between the video signal and the and the TV to superimpose those those menus. So that's an extra [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yeah that's right. Don don't you ha [speaker002:] cost. [speaker001:] don't we have contacts with uh people on TV or or [gap] well systems that exist that we can use? [speaker002:] Well this is this is another que we still haven't really defined the remote. Are we still [disfmarker] you say we're focusing on TV, but is it still a kind of like a universal remote in that it's a replacement remote control, or is this something for our own line of of televisions? [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] 'Cause that really makes a big difference. 'Cause [vocalsound] even if we have contacts we can't really produce a remote control that can bring up menus on other other companies' TVs. It's just there are too many TVs out there. [speaker001:] Yeah. That's good point. [speaker002:] It's it's not really gonna [disfmarker] [speaker001:] What's what cou what could be the cost of uh [disfmarker] well, could we fit the the targets uh in terms of cost uh if we go s to LCD on the remote control? [speaker002:] For twenty five Euro? [vocalsound] I think it's impossible. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] It's not possible. It's impossible. [speaker002:] But but I dunno, [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] I think um it would be good to know if there is any leverage in that [disfmarker] any leeway in that um that twenty five Euro because for twenty five Euro I think all we can really do is provide a very basic remote control, and that seems to be kind of against the philosophy of our company which is you know putting the fashion into electronics. So I would I would like to know if there's any chance of of increasing the uh [speaker004:] Uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] of increasing the unit price. [speaker004:] What would be [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] So you mean yo you mean we we should target something maybe which is [disfmarker] which would be more expensive but re really fancy in terms to um [disfmarker] in terms to had [disfmarker] to have really an added value? [speaker002:] Yeah. Yeah. Yeah because [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Okay, [speaker002:] yeah. [speaker001:] so regarding the automatic speech recognition, I think this is [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Wha but what would be [disfmarker] one question, what would be the goal of putting an LCD in a remote control? [speaker002:] Well th [speaker004:] What what kind of information? [speaker002:] 'Cause you can have things like the programme name instead of the channel numbers, like an interactive programme guide. [speaker004:] Yeah but mo most of the TVs nowadays show the show the [speaker001:] They have tele teletext. Well, because they have teletext on it. [speaker004:] the n [speaker001:] Th th you have a teletext sin signal that you can that you can uh that you can get thr through the channel. [speaker004:] Yeah but yeah most of the TVs have teletext nowadays. [speaker001:] They have t most of them have teletext, [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] but we want to get rid [disfmarker] well one of our requirements is to uh to move to teletext to uh to the use of internet. So to to uh [speaker002:] You can get a lot more information on it. [speaker001:] to browse more easily the teletext. For instance through uh through your remote control. [speaker004:] So what would what would appear in the in the LCD? [speaker002:] So you could have the name of the programme, you could have um the start time you know where it's up to. [speaker001:] The ti the start time, all the p all the programmes you could have uh [disfmarker] o [speaker002:] You could have a l even a little image of you know the c you know the the m the main actors or something [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker002:] so you can quickly just kind of [disfmarker] even without reading [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Well I don't know if this information is available from teletext, also. [speaker002:] Well no, but there are the electronic programme guides out there. [speaker003:] Are [disfmarker] [speaker002:] They may not have pictures, but maybe they do. There's [disfmarker] dependi it also depends on the country. [speaker001:] Well because [disfmarker] [vocalsound] for the same reason that we cannot uh [gap] informations on the TV [gap]. We c we couldn't grab information information which is not there. [speaker002:] No but I mean with the internet you have flexibility of where you get your information from. So it may be possible that there are people out there providing that. Uh. [speaker001:] So [disfmarker] so that mean w w we need an in an extra internet connection to use the remote control, if you want to browse, in addition to the TV, or uh or it should be a special TV connected to [disfmarker] [speaker004:] But [disfmarker] Yeah. [speaker002:] Well I I think if we're gonna [disfmarker] I think we would definitely need the internet connection because even with y I don't think you could even get teletext information from the TV onto the remote control, especially if we don't control the TV. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] I dunno. We need to find that out. [speaker001:] Okay. [vocalsound] We need to close the meeting. Um [vocalsound] so [disfmarker] [speaker003:] But [vocalsound] just a small thing, what kind of market we are targeting? [speaker001:] Very quickly. [speaker003:] Is it that we are targeting the replacement remote market, or what? So the remote has gone bad and the person wants to buy a new remote or [disfmarker] because the cost of LCD thing could be as high as the TV itself. That is very important. [speaker001:] No. [speaker002:] Mm. If it's a really small TV maybe [vocalsound]. [speaker001:] Yeah, well people go to buy another remote control when they broke n broke their [gap], [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Broke. Okay. Okay. [speaker001:] and they want to go t for universal one, and they take the fanciest they can have. [speaker003:] Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. [speaker001:] So this is [disfmarker] that we z that that we should target. So the com the um [vocalsound] the uh [vocalsound] the committment is the following, we don't go for speech recognition technology. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] The LCD is still on disc is still open to discussion. It is up to you to go through this um [vocalsound] uh this way and to to report report me back next meeting. So [speaker004:] I think that the speech recognition technology would be cheaper the [disfmarker] than the LCD. [speaker003:] It's it's cheaper as compared to the LCD. [speaker001:] Yeah, but not sure. Maybe it's cheaper, but we have no [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Because with the LCD you need more requirements. You need a internet connection. You need m more things. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] But for the speech recognition you you don't need anything. [speaker002:] Well the thing is I think I think the type of peop [speaker004:] You just say channel fifty, and that's it. [speaker002:] I think the type of people that are gonna want to buy a very stylish rem r remote control with lots of new technologies are the kinda people that are gonna have you know a wireless internet connection maybe, or a [disfmarker] you know. [speaker004:] But then we should move to another target b because at twenty five Dollars, [speaker003:] Means th yeah twenty five Euros is [disfmarker] yeah, that's right. [speaker002:] Well this is what we need to find out. [speaker004:] it's [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Can we can we increase the the price point of this remote control? 'Cause otherwise we need [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Okay this is [gap] [disfmarker] this is an open question for you. Yeah. This is uh up to you to tell us. But I'm definitely not keen on to to [disfmarker] [speaker004:] To move to another target? [speaker001:] no no no, I'm no I'm definit definitely not keen on going to speech recognition technologies. I'm not confident enough. I'm not sure that that we'll have a product really that work. I uh that work [disfmarker] [speaker002:] It's kind of hard to guarantee that you're gonna [disfmarker] [speaker001:] It's real yeah. How to guarantee such performances is really hard. [speaker002:] [gap] [speaker004:] [gap] the expert uh said ninety five percent [vocalsound]. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Ninety five percent is not good enough though. [speaker001:] Well this is still [disfmarker] is is very bad. [speaker002:] [gap] [speaker001:] So, this is the end of this discussion. Next meeting uh here are the task you have to work on. Um [vocalsound] so you have to work on the component uh concept. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker001:] Uh you have to work on user interface, and you have to go through a trend watching. Okay. So the question is still open about the LCD thing. Um uh we [disfmarker] I hope that next meeting we will uh we'll take some um decision that direction. Thanks. [speaker002:] Yep. [speaker001:] Bye.

[speaker001:] Okay. [vocalsound] Je croix que c'est dommage de le [disfmarker] it will be sad to destroy this prototype. It really looks like a banana. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] It is a banana. [speaker001:] It is a banana. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] It is the essence of bananas. I would be confused with this thing. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Mm. [speaker003:] S [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] How is everyone? [speaker001:] Hi. [speaker002:] Hi. [speaker001:] So we are here for the detailed design meeting. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] So [vocalsound] we will uh [disfmarker] I will first present what we are going to do in this meeting. Then uh I've [disfmarker] I will also take notes during this meeting and I will send you uh a summary then as usual. We will then look at the evaluation criteria of the prototype presented by uh our two colleagues that make good work. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] And uh then we will see the financial aspects and the cost of the product. Then we will uh evaluate the product. And uh end with the conclusion of this project and see whether it fits with [disfmarker] it fulf if it fulfil the requirement or not. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] So d let's start with the cost aspect so so I look at the aspect discussed last time, that is to say uh to have a standard battery, [vocalsound] to have a yellow banana shaped uh case with uh a rubber material around it [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] to be uh to feel spongy, [speaker003:] Like a banana. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] and uh also at the different aspect like having a wheel etcetera. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] And the cost ended to be ten point seven Euros. So which is uh good, because we had a price gap of twelve point five Euros. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] So for the financial aspect it's okay, [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] we can uh [disfmarker] we can continue with this product uh as if, [vocalsound] and we are now going to see the project evaluation with uh our marketing expert. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah. Okay. So uh you can have my project in [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah. You have a presentation? [speaker004:] Uh yeah just a [disfmarker] [vocalsound] Four. [speaker001:] Participant four, yes. [speaker004:] Evaluation. [speaker001:] Okay. Okay. [speaker004:] Okay. So you can go. We can go through. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] So I made an evaluation and the the evaluation criteria is made according to [vocalsound] the users' requirements and the market trends we talked about uh during the previous uh meetings. So you can go through and [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] okay so uh we have uh six points. We we talked about before. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] So we we want to have a product fancy look and feel, technologically innovative, easy to use, fashion, [vocalsound] easy to find in a room, and robust, [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] uh and uh uh I have a scale of uh seven points. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Okay. So I go through all the uh all the points here, [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] and uh according to what you think about the this project you can uh mm make a one point, two point or seven point. Okay? [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] And after we ha we have an an average, and uh we see. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] The [disfmarker] okay? [vocalsound] Uh so uh fancy look and feel, what do you think? [speaker001:] Okay. Maybe you can presen [vocalsound] [speaker004:] F between o one and seven. [speaker001:] okay. Maybe [disfmarker] [vocalsound] hold it. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] So I think it's uh very uh very nice. [speaker003:] I give it a [disfmarker] I give it a five. [speaker001:] What do you think? Yeah. So it's between one and seven? [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Seven is the highest uh? [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Seven is the [disfmarker] [speaker001:] I will give a six. [speaker002:] I will give a a five. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Mm-hmm. [gap] sorry. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] And you? [speaker004:] [gap] eh? [speaker003:] Do you vote uh Christine? Do you also vote? [speaker004:] [vocalsound] No, I just want to see something [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Maybe we all have to agree on a common [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Well, we can [gap] very easily [vocalsound]. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Uh I think uh [gap] [vocalsound] and need to [gap] as well [vocalsound]. [speaker001:] No problem. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Need to [disfmarker] [speaker001:] So [speaker004:] uh I don't know if you [disfmarker] we ha we have to put uh one uh f If it's better or [disfmarker] [speaker001:] this is your [disfmarker] One is most [gap]. [speaker003:] I [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Uh-uh. Um. [speaker001:] Well, we can choose what we want. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Okay, [speaker004:] Or maybe we can say s [speaker001:] let's say that seven is the best. [speaker004:] seven is the best mm [vocalsound]. [speaker001:] Okay. So so do note the grade we have five, six for me, [speaker002:] Five. [speaker001:] five. And what what's your choice? [speaker004:] Oh sorry. [vocalsound] Six [disfmarker] [speaker001:] How much would you give on the fancy aspect, on the fashionable aspect? [speaker004:] Uh s you can [disfmarker] how much what? [speaker001:] How much would you [disfmarker] you don't answer to this uh questionnaire? [speaker004:] Oh yes I mm I dunno mm, I think six, it's a good uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] So it will have five point five average. [speaker001:] Five point five average. [speaker004:] Yeah. Wa can [gap]. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker001:] Well, does it [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] I sorry. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Okay. So after, the technological aspect? [speaker001:] Okay, techne technological aspect. [speaker004:] So we we said uh we have uh a new technological uh thing with a wheel. [speaker001:] Yeah, we have the wheel. [speaker004:] Uh. [speaker001:] We also have the rubber material, which make it uh like new also. I think I would give a five. [speaker003:] It's [gap] four. [speaker001:] Four? [speaker002:] A four also, [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] because, except for the wheel, we don't have so much innovation. The rubber is [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] D are we including the voice [disfmarker] are you glu [speaker002:] Uh a four. I I [disfmarker] [speaker003:] are we including the voice in the end or not? Huh? [speaker001:] No. [speaker003:] No. Okay. [speaker001:] So [speaker004:] No. [speaker001:] what's your uh grade? [speaker004:] Four. [speaker001:] Four? So we have four, four f and five? [speaker004:] We can put four? [speaker003:] Yeah. For twenty five. [speaker001:] Yeah, four. Four, yeah, let's put four. [speaker004:] Everyone is okay or [disfmarker] four poin Four. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker001:] Doesn't it [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Very easy to use. Do you think it's easy to use? [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah, I think so. Yeah. [speaker003:] I give a seven, I think. [speaker002:] Six. [speaker001:] I would give a [disfmarker] I would give a seven as well. It's very easy to use. [speaker004:] Mm, six for me also. [speaker002:] Six. [speaker001:] So [speaker004:] Six point five. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] 'Kay. [speaker001:] six point five. [speaker002:] Six six six point five. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Is it fashion? [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Oh yeah, its its f its fruit fruit shape. [speaker004:] Seven? [vocalsound] [speaker001:] I would say seven. And is very very nice design. [speaker004:] Yeah it's fashion, because it's a fruit, and we say that the [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah, we can we can put a seven here. Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah, seven. [speaker004:] yeah, seven. [speaker001:] Yeah. Seven, okay. [speaker003:] Yeah. Well, we hope. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Easy to find. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Uh easy to find in a room? [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] I lost my banana. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] I think you can't miss it. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah? [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] Uh. [speaker003:] Yeah, I think it's cool. I think we can put a six here. [speaker004:] We have the lightning, or [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah, [speaker004:] The lighting. [speaker001:] we have [vocalsound] the [vocalsound] we don't sesh especially have the lightning [speaker003:] [vocalsound] So you'll make the material transparent [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] but [disfmarker] [speaker003:] so that it uh lights up completely, or [disfmarker] [speaker001:] So it's yellow. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [gap] [speaker001:] It's okay. I think it's very easy to [vocalsound] [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Seven? [speaker001:] I would say seven. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Six. [speaker001:] It's hard to miss it. [speaker002:] Yeah, okay. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Is it [disfmarker] is it robust? [speaker001:] Yeah, it's rubber, made of rubber, [speaker002:] Uh f yeah, it's ru it's rubber. [speaker001:] I think it's m it's uh more rubber than uh other remote control. [speaker002:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah the only problem there might be [disfmarker] which [gap] know, i if it's very sensitive, [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] they will, [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] I don't know [disfmarker] [speaker001:] But it is uh [disfmarker] it is surrounded by rubber material. [speaker003:] Yeah, okay. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] So maybe we can put a six. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Everybody is okay, six. [speaker002:] Six or five. Five [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Six is okay? [speaker003:] Six, yeah, for me. [speaker002:] Six. [speaker004:] Yeah. [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] S now [vocalsound] um so. [speaker001:] Tadada. We have to sum up everything. [speaker003:] Twenty. [speaker004:] Thirteen uh, twenty, twenty six point five, uh seven, thirty two, thirty six [gap]. [speaker003:] Thirty. Thir [speaker004:] That's that's okay? Six. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Six is a good [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker004:] Good. Uh if we say that seven it's uh it's the better, [speaker003:] Yeah, the top [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [gap] [speaker001:] Yeah, the be. [speaker004:] and when uh s six sit six are good [disfmarker] it's a good uh p product, I think. [speaker001:] Okay, so [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker001:] six is a [disfmarker] [speaker003:] So will become eight soon? [speaker001:] So it's a good evaluation, I think. It's very promising. [speaker003:] Yeah, well it's a bit biased. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] We have a good price [speaker001:] Huh. [speaker004:] and uh [vocalsound]. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker004:] Good. [speaker001:] So this prototype is quite nice. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Because I saw uh some phones that were banana shaped, uh wireless phones not mobile ones, wireless for the house, [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah. Okay. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] uh quite big also, and they were selling [gap] something like a hundred Euros, two hundred Euros. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Just a [vocalsound] just a phone, wireless. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] So having this at twenty five Euros is uh quite attractive, I think. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] I think the [disfmarker] [speaker002:] But almo also the complexity between a phone and a remote control is not [disfmarker] cannot compare. [speaker003:] Yeah. Yeah, [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] it's much more complex, but [disfmarker] [speaker001:] So, I think, we can summarise. So we have seen the prototype. It's very nice according to the work of our two designer. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] The the the financial aspect were okay. We we have the cost below uh our threshold and so we could sell at twenty five Euros and make i make profit. The the evaluation give satisfying result as well. So I think we can move to the last part of the meeting. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] So the cost is in the budget, the evaluation is okay, so I th I think we can now uh open champagne and make a huge party. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Start to eat banana. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] I don't know if it's provided by uh by the meeting staff. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Okay so congratulation. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Congratulations to the team. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Nice product. [speaker003:] Uh very well, we worked together fantastically. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] I think it was a good collaboration uh. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] So [speaker001:] Aspect. [speaker003:] what does the management say? [speaker001:] Sorry? [speaker003:] What does the management say? [speaker001:] I think we will have um much bigger project next time and a much bigger salary as well. [speaker003:] Ah. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] All it depends on who watch this meeting. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] We don't know. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Okay, so [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker001:] good guys [vocalsound], [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] so see you for next uh successful project. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yeah. Fruits. [speaker004:] Mm 'kay. [speaker003:] Mm.

[speaker001:] [vocalsound] So um nice to see you again. Uh. So, uh. Tod uh for this meeting I will take the notes and do the minutes. Uh so we will see our three presentations. Um we will start with the uh Manager Expert wi who will talk about uh user re requirements, whats user needs and what it desire for this devi device. [speaker004:] Okay, can I have the laptop over here, or? [speaker001:] Yep. Oh, I don't think so. I think you have to come here. [speaker004:] Okay Have to get up. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] I dunno. I think it should stay. [speaker004:] Excuse me. [speaker002:] Yeah, that's it. [speaker001:] [gap] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker001:] Should stay in the square here. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker001:] Oh, maybe. [speaker004:] Okay, so basically I'm gonna present some findings of a study we conducted uh into uh what users want in this remote control. [speaker001:] Oh, you can put it here. Oh that's okay, it's jus [speaker004:] Um so first of all we [disfmarker] what we did is we um conducted a an experiment with a hundred test subjects. Um we put them in a in our um usability laboratory and got them to, you know, um play with remote controls, and also to complete, after they'd done that, to complete a questionnaire uh to tell us what they like and what they don't like in remote controls. [vocalsound] [vocalsound] So basically um the major things we found out was that um basically users don't like the look and feel of of most remote controls that are currently on the market. Um they, you know, seventy five percent of the people we we uh did the experiments on, found that rem remote the remote controls that they'd used in the past were ugly. Completely ugly. Um they they didn't match the operating behaviour of the user, that is, you know, the the way users use remote controls when they're watching TV. Um, that the layout of the remote controls didn't match they way that they used it. Um and thirdly they say that w half of the users that we um tested said that they only used ten percent of the buttons that uh are on remote controls. Um so we collect we also some collected some usage statistics uh based on how these test subjects were using their remote control. And from this we basically came up with the figure that the channel buttons, the channel selection buttons are the most [disfmarker] by far the most used buttons on the remote control. Um and you can see they're used a hundred and sixty eight times per hour on average, um, while the user's watching TV. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Um the closest button that was used, well the cl the button that was used that was closest to the channel button was the teletext button, um which was used fourteen times per hour, followed by the volume button, which was four times per hour, um, all the other, all the other um buttons, such as ch um audio and picture selection um configuration buttons and things were used, you know, l approx well less than or equal to one times per hour. Um we also asked users um which buttons had the most importance to them, you know, which which buttons they felt were the most important buttons on on the remote control. And basically they came [disfmarker] they said the channel, volume, and power buttons had the highest relevance to users, um note that only power was very infrequently used, it only had a b a a fr usage frequency of about one times per hour, but users ranked it as having a very very high relevance. Um and the audio and picture settings had a very [disfmarker] that well the users thought that um w the audio and picture settings were very uh weren't very important to them um, and they used them very infrequently a as well. [vocalsound] So we asked users what what um frustrates them the most about um current remote controls. And fifty percent of the users said that uh what frustrates them is losing the remote control um somewhere in the room and not being able to find it. Um [vocalsound] they also said that it um it takes a lot of time to learn a new remote control, especially when there's many buttons and it's a, you know, a c a a unintuitive interface. Um and then thirdly, they [disfmarker] some users commented on the fact that the the you know the way that you have to hold and press buttons on a remote control ar are bad and um cause u repetitive strain injury. [vocalsound] We also asked some users about some specific features that they'd like to see in the [disfmarker] on the remote control. In particular, do they want an LCD d display, and secondly, do they think speech recognition uh is a useful feature to have on a remote control. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Um basically our findings are that um amongst a younger age groups uh the answer is umv overwhelmingly yes. They want these features, they want these high technology features. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Um for instance, ninety one percent of pe of people aged between fifteen and twenty five said yes, they want these features. Whereas um [vocalsound] the the trend was as users as users um became older and older uh they were less likely to want these sort of features in a um in a remote control. So I guess it depends on where we're focusing our our market. Um and as our company motto is putting fashion in electronics, um I think we're focusing on the younger younger um target demographic, and so maybe we should think about adding these sort of high technology features into our remote control. [speaker001:] Hmm. [speaker004:] That's my dic that's my presentation. Thank you. [speaker001:] Thank you. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker001:] So, um maybe now we can talk about a user interface and uh about the technical function of this device. So uh Pet Peter, can you talk say something about that? [speaker002:] Well, okay, yeah. Yeah, but the user user interface is responsible. [speaker001:] No. [speaker003:] B you think uh I I'm User Interface Manager. [speaker001:] Ah. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Okay, so [gap]. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Sorry, I'm [disfmarker] Sorry. Sorry. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Okay. Okay. [speaker001:] [gap] [speaker003:] If I could go there with this cable. [speaker002:] You're scaring me with LCD man. And speech recognition in remote unit, it will be very e expensive. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah, it's true, but, you know, they're features that users want, [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] so it's [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] And our production cost of twelve fifty Euros per per unit is fairly high I think, [speaker003:] [gap] [speaker004:] so I think we can afford to to add these sort of features into our remote. [speaker002:] Yeah. At least we have couple of months t to work on it so so it will be cheaper finally. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Sh okay. [gap] [speaker004:] It is true. [speaker003:] Where's delete button? Okay. Oh I'm sorry. [vocalsound] [gap] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [gap] [speaker001:] [gap] [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker004:] That's the wrong one, I think. [speaker001:] Yeah, it's still Bob Morris. [speaker003:] Oh. Presentation three? [speaker002:] Because you cancelled it. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yeah you should have put yes. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Oh. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Click on yes. [gap] yeah. [speaker002:] Yep. [speaker003:] Okay, so here is my presentation about technical function design. I will talk about different components and s of system and how they react together. Okay, uh, first what is a remote control? Simply it's a device, as you know, for uh, for sending some commands by some waves to uh another device to to tell different commands uh with this device. And the main idea we don't use any cable and we can rec react simpler with the device. Uh i it has different blocks, different blocks. Uh first is remote control have sh ha should have some electric circuits uh making interface with uh keyboard and uh r reading uh keyboard and reading the keyboard uh commands. And then inter then make uh these keyboard commands, uh in interpret these int uh keyboard commands. And then there should be uh an electronic circuit making uh electronic signals according to these commands and uh finally there is a transmitter which is a cord or a a diode making uh making uh waves to transmit through the air and uh uh this air this uh wave uh will be received by the by the other device like a television or whatever, to uh r to realise the command. Okay, [vocalsound] uh about [disfmarker] what I found about uh different uh these different blocks are uh, usually there are two different methods uh to [disfmarker] for designing a remote control. They are based on infra-red uh waves or uh uh radio waves. [speaker002:] You still want me the presentation. [speaker003:] There are two different uh uh solutions I mean. This is uh this can be uh uh the the differences the th between different kind of waves, infra-red or radio waves. And uh also as uh I understood, and uh I think it was a part of uh Bob, uh uh presentation, people prefer to have uh to have uh the remote control with less button. So for the electronic part, working and interfacing, with button, we should we should try to t try to design a remote control having uh some some simpler buttons or some rolling buttons to just to just to search between different options, and showing o something on TV and putting less lesser stuff on the uh on the remote control. And uh personal preferences, uh uh uh uh certainly a remote control with [disfmarker] uh working with radio waves is uh preferred because uh you can pr you can take it in any direction and you don't need to tune it any way. And uh uh again, using bigger buttons and less number of buttons are also preferred, as I see. Okay. That was my presentation. [speaker004:] Okay. I have a question. [speaker003:] Uh-huh. [speaker004:] Do you think radio waves um will interfere with other appliances in the home? [speaker003:] Uh, I don't think so, because uh we can make uh we ca we can make this wave in a specific frequency. So they can be in a range which is not inter interfering with the [vocalsound] with other devices inside the home. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker001:] So can we use any any frequency? [speaker002:] Yeah, it should be okay [gap]. [speaker001:] We have the right to use any frequency? [speaker003:] Uh no but as I know, there is a range for uh for this uh f for for uh for this stuff, for designing this circuit. We can we can we can tune our uh transmitter to work in this range, and for this range we don't need to ask any permission. [speaker001:] Okay. And what happen with uh radio waves when two neighbours have the same [disfmarker] have our remote control, for example? And so do they have the same frequency, or? [speaker003:] Uh for this I'm not uh I I don't know the solution, but one solution can be something like putting uh p password or something inside the wave, so the only your TV can understand it [speaker001:] Okay. A kind of identification [gap], [speaker003:] Yeah, identification code inside the [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah f [vocalsound] uh I know about this, since it's my [disfmarker] it's exactly my field, so. [speaker001:] okay. So [disfmarker] [speaker002:] It's uh kind of handshaking, uh, when starting to [disfmarker] uh when you start to communicate with the your TV then then it's like an handshaking protocol with your your remote. [speaker001:] Yeah. So [disfmarker] [speaker002:] So so if two two devices are trying to go to communicate with the TV set then the the the one which has the more energy in the wave is chosen. Well it can be a problem sometimes, but most of the time it works okay. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] The password may simply [disfmarker] uh or uh i identification code may simply solve this problem. A specific uh remote control has a specific f [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah but we we don't have to think uh about this because I think as a function designer that we will use the already made uh circuits which we probably bu buy. It's worth to buy. [speaker001:] Hmm. [speaker002:] And they have these problems solved so. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker002:] So we don't have to think about these. [speaker003:] Mm. Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker001:] So, maybe you can talk about the function, and [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yes. I have only a couple of things because I had [disfmarker] I struggled a bit with the software that I'm supposed to use in this uh uh in this company. I was used to use Linux before, so. But I tried to tried to break through this [gap] too, I guess. Mm. Ah. [speaker001:] Open. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Okay. [vocalsound] How to make it big? [speaker001:] Slide show. [speaker003:] Five. [gap] [speaker002:] Slide show. Okay, thanks. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] It should work, so you can [gap]. [speaker002:] Okay. Oh so I will speak about working design. That's the first slide. Uh what uh I have to do? A look at what the other company [disfmarker] Okay so uh presently I am looking what is possible to use, what circuits to use and stuff like that because uh I didn't work uh with these uh circuits so far so I have to look what what is a v a v available on the market for for the communication [disfmarker] for the IR circuits and so on, so I'm currently looking what is available on the web. And uh I wanted to ask you m maybe afterwards, after after our discussion, if we have some contacts in some companies, so, which can report on what is going on there, so, I would be glad if you can tell me about them. [speaker001:] Mm. Yeah. [speaker002:] So, you know. Uh, okay findings, that's [gap] the point that I'm working on currently but uh so far I I was uh looking what what are the blue circuit, I mean radio wave [disfmarker] radio frequency circuits are available now, [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] but the prices I read are high. So, I know that uh the user interface people and these speak about radio frequency waves because you can you can uh you can make the TV do what you want even if you are in the bathroom or so on, [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Hmm. [speaker002:] but you know, when you are not close to the TV you probably won't need to to change the program and so on and so I am I am voting for s to stick to the um infra-red control instead of RW but we will discuss it later maybe. Uh. Components to use, I'm not exactly sure what I will use for the design of the circuit. It depends uh on whether we will use the LCD and mainly the speech recognition, [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] because the speech rec Yeah? [speaker004:] Are we um are we planning to take an off the shelf an OEM component for the radio wave circuit, or are we planning to construct our own circuit board? [speaker002:] No no no no no. This we this we buy I think, because it's rather cheap nowadays and it's not worth to construct ourselves. [speaker004:] Okay s So we just buy a circuit board and [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Exactly. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker002:] But I'm not sure about the circuit which is responsible for speech recognition. This I prefer that we should make ourselves. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker002:] But it depends whether we take a decision to use it. Same thing. It's fairly expensive to use these circuits. So, speech recognition [disfmarker] well, LCD it's okay because it's common nowadays to use LCD, [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] so I agree on using any kind of LCD, less buttons good for me as a as a designer of the circuit. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] But the speech recognition we have to compare whether the price and the [disfmarker] what does it offer, you know. [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker001:] Yeah. So what do you think would be the price, it would be out of range? [speaker002:] Yeah, I'm [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Or it would be maybe feasible? [speaker002:] Oh. I was not thinking too much about the price. But if we use the LCD uh even the radio frequency communication with the TV set and the backlight and uh related things like the photo diodes and stuff, it should be okay. If we decide to use the speech recognition, then we probably could struggle but we'll see afterwards. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] It depends of you if if the ME or UID, I'm sorry about the names, [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker002:] I don't really know, uh want to have it like in metal or in plastic, these things, it it depends on you not [disfmarker] Because the the the electronic device's price is not not so big in comparison to to the overall shape and stuff like that, so. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker002:] We will discuss it afterwards. Oh, this is nothing. This is just my notes on what to use. And uh my personal preference is yes, I would like also preferably to use RW circuit, but from the point of view uh of the design and price, I would stick to IRs. That's my opinion. Uh I mean if infra-red uh circuit not not the radio frequency. [speaker001:] Why? Because it's simpler? [speaker002:] Because because the the range where you can use it is fair. [speaker001:] Yeah. Mm. [speaker002:] It's okay I think. And the price is fairly cheap for this. [speaker001:] Okay. It's a a price matter. [speaker002:] Well, depends. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Jus just the price. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker002:] Otherwise I don't care what I put there because it's the chip which I buy or which we buy. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] So I I I think it's o y o [vocalsound]. [speaker004:] What how much more expensive? Are we talking three times more expensive? [speaker001:] [gap] [speaker004:] Or ten times more expensive? [speaker002:] Well, three to three to five. [speaker004:] Or [disfmarker] Okay. [speaker002:] N not ten times, but it depends what what we [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah yeah. That's still a lot. I think it's it's probably not worth spending the extra money, [speaker001:] Hmm. [speaker004:] because I mean all the other remote controls on the market have infra-red, so people don't expect anything other than infra-red. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] [gap] [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] So it's not worth spending the extra money. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Well I [gap], oh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Th they are used to use it when they can see the TV so, I don't know. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] On the other side, we want to have something new. You know, [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] where we want to to have something new and So we I think we should still thinking about it. But maybe [gap]. [speaker004:] But I think, based on my usability studies I th I feel that users are [disfmarker] prioritise the look and the feel and the trendiness above, you know, the difference between infra-red or radio waves. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] So I think we're better off spending money in the usability phase. [speaker002:] [gap] You the user interface, and management man, uh [vocalsound] [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker002:] Uh okay, that's it for me. [speaker001:] Okay, thank you Peter. [speaker002:] 'Kay. [speaker001:] So um I have to inform you I receive an email from the management bon board today and they have new requirements for the for the remote control. Um [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker001:] first um, they say that's uh about something about t teletext. Uh apparently it becomes from [disfmarker] according to them it becomes out of date. Out-dated. And uh [disfmarker] Because of the internet popularity and everybody has internet at home, and actually it's not useful to have teletext. Um. So I think we can avoid the teletext. Um the second thing is uh they suggest that that we should uh use the remote control only for TV, not for DVD and other devices, because it make it [disfmarker] it makes it's too complex and uh because we have not much time for this project we should stay on TV on the [disfmarker] only specific TV remote control. [speaker002:] I agree. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] The third [vocalsound] the third one is uh about the the the image of the company. So um uh we should we should keep uh [disfmarker] The the product should be recognisable. Uh, uh It's [disfmarker] That mean we should use the colour of our company and maybe put somewhere the s the slogan of the company, which is uh, we put fashion of [disfmarker] in electronics. So, when people see the the remote control, they should say oh it's from Real Reaction and he s they should recognise the company. So, um [disfmarker] So now we we should take the decision what we are going to [disfmarker] what function we will have on this uh on this remote control. So, mm, are we going to use LCD, speech recognition? Uh. [speaker004:] Well, should we start with just the core, the basic functions that we need. And then we can move on to the more advanced features. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Mm. Yes. [speaker001:] Maybe, maybe. [speaker002:] Okay, so the available things are LCD, the buttons and everything. Uh radio frequency depends. And, well the recognition it depends on you guys. [speaker001:] Yeah [speaker002:] You should probably speak. [speaker001:] but first maybe what is [disfmarker] what are the usual function of a standard remote control? I mean [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] what do [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Okay, well, I mean the obvious one is changing channels. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah. Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] I think we should stick on very useful functions, because we want less button. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] So, yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah, okay. [speaker001:] So, turning channel, of course. Volume setting. [speaker004:] [gap] [speaker002:] Uh just one note to the chan channel changing. Do we [disfmarker] will we use only two buttons, or or like numbered buttons? I mean those nine plus one or two? [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] I think it would be a b [gap] [speaker002:] Because it's many buttons and we were speaking about lowering the number. [speaker003:] Mm. [gap] [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah, I [disfmarker] [speaker001:] On the other side we have more and more channels, and if you want to pass through all the channels to get the channel you want, it's [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Okay so so we keep all these all these buttons. [speaker003:] Yeah yeah, at least nine, ten button. [speaker001:] Maybe maybe we could think of something more betweens, like uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Like ten plus, five plus, one plus, one minus or something. [speaker001:] Yeah. Maybe something like that. [speaker002:] Or using the names and the keyboard [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [gap] Ah yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] I dunno. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Uh. [speaker003:] Or [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Maybe [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Or something [gap]. [speaker001:] Oh I don't know. Oh. Maybe we could have key buttons, like uh discovery channe like documentary channel, and movies channel and [disfmarker] [speaker002:] You mean like hierarchical structure. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] And inside this this thing you can move, maybe switch. [speaker003:] Okay. Like categorising channels. [speaker001:] If you want to see a movie you click on the movie button so you have all the movie channels and after you've you plus plus plus. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Okay, so s Oh sorry. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker001:] I It just an idea. I don't know what you think about that but. [speaker002:] So it requires the use of LCD probably, to to tell you [disfmarker] [speaker004:] To have some feedback. Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah, probably, yeah, yeah. [speaker002:] Okay, [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] so I'll make a note on LCD. [speaker004:] We could maybe also c um incorporate Petre's idea of the um slider for the volume, with the channel. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] So we c you could quickly just [vocalsound] [vocalsound] through many channels. [speaker002:] Yeah. Like roller for the [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] For the channels, perhaps. [speaker002:] Yeah. Okay. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Anything else? [speaker004:] So we've got channel and volume. Um. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] So we are still s speaking about the common devices [speaker003:] [gap] [speaker002:] or we are inviting the new one? [speaker004:] I think so. I think basically the core functions we want, and then more advanced ones. [speaker001:] Yeah. What about the settings of the TV? Because it's button we don't use very often, but it's [disfmarker] we need it anyway. [speaker003:] So uh we don't have any uh we don't have uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] So [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] we should just design the remote control and we sh we don't have any access to the to the TV design or we can change some design. Because one solution for this um uh uh ch changing channels is to see a summary of all channels, some some preview of all channels and then you can [disfmarker] [speaker002:] On the screen, you mean? [speaker003:] Yeah. Yeah b [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Not on the control, but on the screen. [speaker003:] Not on the control, on the screen, on the TV screen. [speaker002:] Well, this would avoid LCD, then. [speaker004:] I don't [speaker003:] And then [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Oh, I don't but I don't think we're we're the ones. I mean this remote control we're developing is a generic control for all TVs, I think. [speaker001:] Yeah, yeah. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] I don't know if it's possible to to watch something on TV [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Oh. W I I think it it would be better to to stick to the remote control and not to bother the TV to to to print these things. [speaker001:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [gap] [speaker002:] Well it wi it will be still more expensive, but for the LCD and this stuff is no problem in the price. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker001:] So, what are we doing with the settings? Because settings [disfmarker] if we want to do settings we need buttons for that and we want less buttons, so. Maybe with the LCD we can do something with less buttons, but [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] But then you don't want to make the LCD display too complicated at the same time. [speaker001:] Mm. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Two TVs. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] I mean there's always [disfmarker] we can always have these l less often used functions hidden somewhere, under a cover or at the back of [disfmarker] under a slide or some [speaker001:] Yeah. Oh yeah. [speaker002:] Like ma [speaker001:] Oh, the [gap]. [speaker002:] We we could have for example two buttons like simple mode and advanced mode. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Or I dunno. [speaker003:] [gap] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Or like children and grandfather's mode, [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] and the, well the the user [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] not the user, the man mana TV manager mode [vocalsound]. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker002:] Ah, I dunno. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] So we have five minutes left. Um. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Uh. [speaker004:] So I think s the settings we th we are agreeing [disfmarker] are agreed that they're required. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] It's just how to a [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] We should hide them somewhere. [speaker002:] Hide them, okay. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] In the menus of the LCD or in the back of the remote control, or something like that. [speaker004:] Okay. Yeah. Uh, okay, what else? [speaker002:] Um. [speaker004:] I mean a power button's obviously [speaker002:] [gap] Yes. [speaker004:] uh required. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] This I was thinking. Do we need a power button at all? Should should shouldn't we do it like sleep mode after five minutes of not using it? Because generally [disfmarker] [speaker001:] It's it's a kind of setting, I think. It should fit in those settings functions. [speaker003:] Mm. Settings. [speaker001:] Because it's not a very current useful function. [speaker004:] Uh, well I think when they say power button they mean to turn the TV on and off. [speaker001:] No, I think it's after after five minutes or something [gap] a timer [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yes. Well I I uh [speaker001:] I I think, no? [speaker004:] But if you're watching TV for two hours, you don't want your TV to turn off after five five minute [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] You don't need to [disfmarker] every five minutes to keep it alive. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Uh probably. Okay, so we should keep this button. [speaker004:] I mean based on our usability studies again, um [vocalsound] pe um people said that the power button was v a very relevant button. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Oh okay, yeah. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] Um, you know, it was nine out of ten [speaker002:] Okay, so we we could p what we could probably do is to keep also to keep uh keep the LCD and all the buttons and stuff, [speaker004:] re relevance. [speaker002:] we could make it like a opening opening style that if you open it you are [disfmarker] you just turn on the TV and if you close it, it will [speaker001:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker004:] [gap] [speaker002:] turn off the TV. If if you like this, [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Okay. B Okay. [speaker002:] Because, well [gap] [disfmarker] it's maybe question for you t [speaker004:] I think we need to concentrate on the, you know, the major usage of the th of the control, [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] which is you sit down, you turn on your TV, you change channels, you change the volume, you turn the TV off. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Um and all the other f functionality is [speaker001:] So s yeah. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah they can yeah they can be hide somewhere by a cover or something like this. [speaker004:] not used very often. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Like covering cu. [speaker001:] On the back, or [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah. I mean like the [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah, like mobile phone covering. [speaker002:] Yeah but since we have the LCD, we didn't need too much button too many buttons. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Um, okay, just um the decision of the power button. Should we make it a button, or some some something which would be [disfmarker] [speaker001:] For what? [speaker002:] Uh power button. [speaker004:] I think a button. [speaker003:] A button is better. [speaker004:] I think it should be a bu [speaker001:] Ah oh yeah, yeah. [speaker002:] If it if it's a button or [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah a button, yeah I guess so. [speaker004:] Its own button on the front. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker002:] Okay, one nice big button. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Old fashioned button, to satisfy the grandmothers. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Hmm. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker001:] So, any other suggestions or functions? [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker004:] S What about things like the clock and um timers? [speaker002:] Do we still have the time? I I just wonder. [speaker001:] Yeah, we have still one or two minutes to talk, yeah. [speaker002:] Okay. Oh. Well what w what was the question? [speaker003:] Clock or [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Uh um, you know, some func some features on the control to display a time, or t to display [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Usually it's already on TV or something like that. [speaker003:] Yes. [speaker002:] Yeah but since we want to control all the televisions, and and it would probably be worth to to set the timing on the remote, [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] no? Because if if the TV turns on itself, it well you know, if the time The timer should be there. [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker001:] Yeah. Yeah. If we if we add the time, we have to have maybe a bigger display or something like that, and is it very useful? I mean, are users wants to have the time on the on the remote? [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker001:] This is the question. [speaker004:] Probably not. [speaker001:] Is it useful? [speaker003:] Yes. [speaker004:] It's a questi yeah, it's a trade-off. [speaker001:] W In my opinion we should have only useful thing and Because apparently they want [disfmarker] The simpler it's is better. [speaker004:] 'Kay. [speaker002:] Ah, yeah. [speaker004:] Okay simple. [speaker002:] Did you did you ever use the like the timing of turning on the TV, [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] well [disfmarker] And based on your [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Very, yeah okay, very occasionally. But I do use the I do use the display of the time quite often, but [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker002:] Yeah but it can be on the display in in a corner all the time on the remote. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah that's okay, that's true. Okay, so no time button [gap]. Okay. [speaker001:] No time on [gap]. [speaker002:] [gap] [speaker003:] And uh do we need to include anything about the speech recognition and the speech commands, or? [speaker002:] Yes yes. [speaker001:] I think [disfmarker] [speaker003:] I I thin I think it will not take lots of place, we just need a microphone and the software, so, and it sh and it will be a little bit new and interesting, so people may be attracted to buy this stuff and it's not very difficult to uh put a software inside the the electronic device and put a microphone. It doesn't take that much place and also that much [disfmarker] It doesn't cost that much. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah but we we should be careful about the battery life, then. If we use the speech recognition. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] So maybe we think [disfmarker] we can think more about that, and discuss that maybe last time [disfmarker] next time. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker001:] And uh yeah, now the meeting room is busy. Somebody booked the meeting room just for [disfmarker] at one PM, and so we should leave. Uh. So, um. So now we are going for for a small lunch. It's uh funded by the company. And uh after we have uh thirteen minutes to to do indevel individual works. And uh I will do the minutes. And uh you are going to work on your individual works. And uh you will receive as usual your specific instruction and so on. [speaker004:] Okay, [speaker001:] Thank you everybody. [speaker004:] cool. Okay [speaker003:] Thanks. [speaker004:] Thank you.

[speaker001:] Okay, all set? Welcome to the conceptual design meeting. [speaker002:] Uh, okay. [speaker003:] Yes. [speaker001:] The agenda. The opening. I'll again be the secretary and make minutes, take minutes, uh and it will be three presentations, just like the last meeting. So um, [vocalsound] who wants to start off? Technical uh designer again? [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Again. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] Hmm. [speaker001:] Uh, yeah. Uh, before we begin it, I want to say I've I've put the minutes of the uh second meeting in the shared folder, but they're still not uh quite okay. It uh it uh still some technical difficulties so the the first part of the minutes are very hard to read, because there are two documents that uh were layered over each other. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker001:] So [disfmarker] But uh, from now on I won't use my pen anymore, so will be p just [vocalsound] ordinary keyboard. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Uh, may be better, yeah. [speaker004:] Keyboard work. Yeah. [speaker001:] I think it [gap] will will be more uh easy for you to read the minutes. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Alright. [speaker003:] Okay, when we talk about uh components design, um it's really about the material and the [disfmarker] and uh uh really the stuff we build uh the remote controls of. Um, a remote control consist of uh components and the components of a remote control consist of uh properties and material. We have to choose th uh these uh wisely and it could affect uh uh a kind of grow of [disfmarker] in uh in buying uh the remote controls. Um, the components of a remote control are of course uh the case. Uh the properties of the case, um it has to be solid uh in hard material like uh hard plastic uh with soft rubber for uh falling and and uh uh [disfmarker] yeah, it feels uh good in your hand. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Mm the buttons has to be uh solid too, and the material is soft rubber. Uh I've got a uh email from the possibilities of Real Reaction. Um uh they're telling me that um when we build uh a remote control of um of plastic or rubber, the uh buttons have to be uh rubber too. Mm [disfmarker] It's okay. Yeah. I when we use a rubbled [disfmarker] a doubled curved case, we must use a rubber push-buttons to [disfmarker] uh the the rubber double-curved case is a is a t uh three-dimensional uh curve in the in the design, which is uh necessary when we want to be trendy. Uh [disfmarker] Um [speaker002:] Oh. [speaker003:] the energy source, uh I've got a lot of possibilities for that too. Um, uh the basic battery, which I thi prefer because of its uh its non uh non-depending of of of uh um [disfmarker] Uh here you have to have a hand uh [disfmarker] yeah, kinetic uh energy. Also in uh this one, like in the watches, but a remote control can lie on a table for a day, and then you push uh a button and [disfmarker] so you don't have to uh walk with it all the all the time. Mm, solar cells are also uh a bit weird for uh remote controls. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Um uh also the case material, uh I think that plastic is the is the best with rubber, because uh wood or titanium would also be a bit weird. [speaker002:] Oh titanium is probably trendy, I think. [speaker004:] That's true, I guess. Yeah. [speaker002:] [gap]. Well, maybe a little bit expensive. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] I don't know. [speaker004:] Huh. [speaker003:] Uh, they don't tell anything about the cost of uh titanium. Um the chip [disfmarker] uh the chip set uh and the board is uh all off the shelf. Also, the speaker in the remote control, when we want to retrieve it. Um, the base station is also off the shelf, all the materials and the components are uh just available in uh in our uh factory. Mm, I've told about uh the three first points. Mm, the simple electronical chip uh is is available uh with the LED transmitter uh transmitter. Uh, it's all uh off the shelf and even the speaker and the wireless retriever are all uh available in our company. Um, another possibility. I uh yeah, I looked up on was uh the LCD displays. Could be uh something special to our uh remote control, and it's possible, but it only cost a bit more, but maybe it can be uh within the limits of twenty five Euros. [speaker001:] Twelve and a half. [speaker003:] Ah yeah. [speaker001:] Actually [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah, production cost. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] I th I got an email with uh some examples and it [disfmarker] these were were the most trendiest one. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] You see uh a covers, which can be [disfmarker] [speaker001:] What are those, t tooth uh brushes, or so [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Um, I don't know. Um [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] But it's actually kind of uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] I [disfmarker] [speaker001:] well, it resembles the design I had in mind for this proj [speaker003:] Yes. [speaker004:] Yep. [speaker001:] You know the the cartoonish [vocalsound] Alessi kind of design. [speaker003:] Yes, maybe we can uh bri uh bring a couple of uh couple of types of uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] And we can we can steal their ideas. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] maybe a kind of uh whole uh um a whole set of uh different uh remote controls. Maybe we can bring a whole line uh with uh [speaker001:] Huh. [speaker003:] with a [gap] huge variety of uh [speaker001:] Well, it's a possibility, too. [speaker003:] uh house uh stuff. [speaker002:] Different colours also. [speaker003:] Like uh [vocalsound] maybe radios and uh television also uh in this in this [disfmarker] in the same style, but [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Uh-uh. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah, that'll be for the future, I guess. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yes, because we have to uh [disfmarker] we have to [disfmarker] [vocalsound] we have to bring the logo and all the stuff uh back into it. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Next time we're here. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Oh, okay. [speaker004:] Yeah. Definitely. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker003:] Thank you. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Alright. [speaker002:] [gap] uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah. That's okay. [speaker002:] Ah. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Well, I shall go to the next slide. Um [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] um, I still don't have any information about user requirements. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] I was thinking about just uh the basic functions and I got uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Oh, we decided upon that in the last meeting. [speaker002:] Yeah, but but then wh I don't know when there are new user requirements. [speaker001:] Didn't we? Oh, okay. [speaker002:] I ha I ha I have the I have [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Well, tha I didn't receive any new requirements or somethi Just [disfmarker] [speaker002:] nothing. [speaker001:] no, but we decided to use only b basic functions only. [speaker002:] Well, I have here a couple of basic functions I could think of. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] I dunno if they're [disfmarker] maybe a little bit more, but [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Well we [disfmarker] maybe we can think of that later. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] W just [disfmarker] these are the ones you already summed up in the [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah, I I uh [vocalsound] well, I pointed them out here, just to make it a little bit easier. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] Um Another function uh is [disfmarker] of course we already discuss it on the side. Um, I don't know what costs of it. Uh, I've no idea about it. Uh, I was also looking for what you said, for [disfmarker] I got an email uh uh about uh LCD in in in front of the remote control. I don't know if that's a good idea, or maybe it's a little bit too much for twelve and a half. Production. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Uh-huh. [speaker002:] If we got already uh something like a base. [speaker001:] That might get redundant also maybe. I don't know what kind of information it would [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah, I don't know. I d I uh ju I was just thinking about it. Then I got a pop-ups to go to the meeting. But [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Mm yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. Yeah, it's okay. [speaker003:] Maybe we can bring t uh uh teletext to the t [vocalsound] to the remote control. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] The remote control. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Then you [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [gap] a little uh too [disfmarker] [vocalsound] A little bit [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] and then you've got a flag s [vocalsound] Very big RC. Yeah. [speaker001:] Okay. [vocalsound] That's not [disfmarker] [speaker002:] A little bit too big, I think. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] It was not a good idea. [speaker002:] Exactly. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] Um, yeah. Well, the functions are are not more to discuss, I think. [speaker001:] No. No. [speaker002:] It's it's just the base things we already discussed that the [disfmarker] no VCR or that kind of [disfmarker] [speaker004:] No. [speaker002:] uh, so that's very easy. Um [disfmarker] [speaker001:] But you do mention the next and previous uh button. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] [gap] [speaker004:] Next channel, previous channel. [speaker002:] Well, that's next channel. I mean [gap] next channel. [speaker001:] Oh, okay, o okay okay. [speaker002:] Uh [disfmarker] Um [disfmarker] oh, I I got an email with [disfmarker] [vocalsound] with an uh a remote control with a base. [speaker001:] Huh. [speaker002:] So, it's uh just an idea. And I um [disfmarker] [vocalsound] uh thinked of the button sizes and I'm not sure uh if they have to be big or uh just small [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] But you're the expert. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] I think it depends on the function. [speaker002:] Well, I'm not a e I'm the expert for user-friendly, but not for trendiness. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Maybe it [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Well, if you save uh [disfmarker] Perhaps uh s tiny buttons aren't user-friendly, then we wouldn't im implement that of course. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Well uh [vocalsound] [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] okay, that's your point. Um, yeah. Yeah, okay. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yeah, I've nothing to [vocalsound] s [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Well, w when we only use basic functions, we have the possibility to make the buttons larger. [speaker004:] Oh, that's right. [speaker002:] Uh, with a little bit larger, yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] I thought so, but maybe with the [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Well, I think we already agreed upon the fact that the the the skip buttons and the cha and the volume buttons, th th those two have [disfmarker] yeah, they have to be large. [speaker002:] Yeah, that groups. [speaker001:] Uh, I mean th th the the two two basic buttons, you know, the [disfmarker] to skip channels and to uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Large? Yeah. [speaker004:] Yep. [speaker001:] I think [disfmarker] yeah, I don't know why, but I think that is [disfmarker] that's t trendy too, [speaker002:] Most [disfmarker] the most used uh buttons. [speaker004:] Those are probably the the th [speaker001:] because that's the mo it [disfmarker] it [disfmarker] you know, it's uh acc acc um accentu uh, how do you say it? It puts an extra accent on the the on the simplicity of our remotes to j to make these two most basic functions extra big, like t [speaker004:] Yes. [speaker002:] True. Yeah. [speaker004:] Those are probably the b four most most used buttons on the th in the remote control. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] You did the research. [speaker001:] And you want to acc accentuate that, you know. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] It's from your research. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Sorry? Yeah, sure. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] So [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Uh, that was all y uh personal preference I didn't have. I didn't had any time left. [speaker001:] Okay. No uh, that's coo it's cool. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] You don't care. No, [vocalsound] sorry. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Oh. Go away. Come on. [speaker002:] It's there. Yeah, click on it. [speaker004:] [gap]. [speaker002:] Couple time. [speaker004:] Oh, great. Well, I've done some research again about trends on the internet. Um I've done some investigation, and uh well I uh got some information from fashion watchers from Paris and uh Milan. [vocalsound] Some uh some findings [disfmarker] the most important thing is fancy look and feel of the remote control. Uh, well, we were going to imply that, so that's nice. The second important thing is uh innovative technology in the RC. Uh, our market really likes really likes that. And uh the third point there in this uh order if [disfmarker] of importance, the third point, is a high ease of use. And uh, well, for the idea, I've put some trends uh for the market of elderly people. Dark colours, simple recognisable shapes. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] So we probably won't do that. The younger market likes uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Well, [gap] the [gap] themes of of this year are uh surprisingly fruits and vegetables and spongy material. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] I found this image, which is uh [disfmarker] Well, it symbolises the idea of fruits and vegetables. I don't see the spongy part in it. But with a little bit of fancy [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Well maybe c [vocalsound] then we have to do something with Sponge Bob then. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Exactly. I got some ideas [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Uh well, yeah, pictures isn't really good word, but um [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] some symbols of fruits or vegetables maybe. Uh, catchy colours. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Fruit is uh yellow, green, red, whatever. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] So, remote controls in in catchy colours. [speaker001:] It doesn't stroke with the with the dark colours. [speaker004:] Uh, no, we don't want dark colours. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Not the dark colours? Okay. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] No, I just put them there to uh, yeah, uh for general idea. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] And uh, the docking st [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] uh I think the spongy material is is very irritating for the uh remote control itself. But to [disfmarker] Yeah, the [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] To implement some spongy thing, maybe we can do it in the in the docking station. At the bottom of the docking station or whatever. And uh, we could bring one line with a dark colour uh to um uh p uh yeah [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] uh uh v how do you say? [speaker001:] For diversity or something. Uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah, also a bit for elderly people who are a little bit crazy and want [vocalsound] maybe want a little younger design but still the dark colour. [speaker002:] Well, how uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] I mean it it it reaches a different market uh, but it it it doesn't cost really much effort to b to uh bring uh like a black RC on the market or whatever. Yes. [speaker002:] But how do we use uh fruits and vegetables in Christ's [vocalsound] sake with [vocalsound] remote control? [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] No, but I I I think that uh our design already resembles so a piece of fruit. [speaker004:] Yeah, there's there's always a [speaker002:] Uh, make it a banana? [vocalsound] [speaker001:] It's like a pear or something. [speaker004:] Well there there's always empty space of course on a remote control. I mean I think this part of the RC uh well [vocalsound] the upper the upper part or whatever is uh is not not used with buttons, I guess. [speaker001:] No, I don't think you have to do it like [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] So you you can put some fruity things [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah, but it that doesn't have to remind you, you know, like explicitly of s our f of a of a specific piece of fruit, but just, you know, like the the the the round curves. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] No, of course not. [speaker001:] And so y I I think this [disfmarker] y it already sem resembles uh something like a pear to me or something. [speaker004:] Especially i [speaker002:] Yeah, but th [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah, yeah. Yeah, exactly. [speaker002:] yeah, but that [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yeah, but that's [disfmarker] [speaker004:] If we make it little bit greenish. [speaker001:] Yeah. You do get the idea, eh? The fruity kind of round [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah uh uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] A [vocalsound] and we could use [vocalsound] one of these for [speaker001:] 'Kay. [speaker004:] the uh w what is it? [speaker001:] Yeah, uh [disfmarker] yeah, I don't know. [speaker003:] Grapes. [speaker004:] Uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Isn't [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Uh, this is a b yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Wha whatever. [speaker002:] But d don't we need a creative artist or something like that to m make it to feel like a a a a vegetable or fruit? [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah, yeah. Of course we have uh [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah, sure. Yeah. [speaker001:] we have a very big uh the s [speaker004:] Well, w we can uh [disfmarker] w we can we can produce multiple uh multiple things. [speaker003:] For a big team of artists. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Of d design team, yeah. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] This is then the uh pear. I don't know the English word, so forget it. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yeah, but [disfmarker] [vocalsound] It's pear, I guess. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] And um, maybe, yeah, a b a banana is uh is n [vocalsound] not easy for a remote control, but m yeah. [speaker003:] But uh but I think we don't have to make [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] we can't make all uh ten designs. [speaker001:] No. [speaker003:] We have to make one design I th I I think. [speaker001:] No, but I think it's it's already what we were were up to. [speaker004:] Mayb maybe two or three. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Uh, it's [disfmarker] it doesn't have to resemble uh what I already said, a specific piece of fruit, but just, you know, like a fruity thing going on. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] [gap] [speaker004:] No sure, but but [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] B but that's great, [speaker001:] And it's [disfmarker] it looks fruity to me. [speaker004:] and and and what I was [disfmarker] what what I was saying, the catchy colours [disfmarker] [speaker001:] And uh, but I do like the [disfmarker] yeah, I do like uh the f uh to [disfmarker] the idea of making a a y uh, a catchy colour design and a d because I do [disfmarker] I think a dark colour would be nice too. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] But pictures of fruit, vegetables vegetables [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Maybe it's too much, you know. [speaker002:] But, we we have to um [disfmarker] There have to be the the the the firm colours, our own uh colours has to be in it. [speaker004:] Yeah, uh not really. Pictures was a was a bad word, but [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Okay, but what are the [disfmarker] This is yellow. [speaker004:] Well we c yeah. [speaker002:] Yellow, a Real Reaction. [speaker003:] Yes, you can put a logo on top of it. [speaker004:] Yeah, sure. [speaker001:] But I don't think our our company colours are this fashionable. [speaker002:] Uh, yeah. [speaker004:] Maybe we can if if we got our docking station over here. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] We uh f [speaker003:] Yes, it's really fruity. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] I can't draw with this thing, but I'll try. [speaker002:] A yellow do [speaker004:] If this is our docking station, we can make our logo over here. [speaker002:] Uh, yeah. [speaker004:] It doesn't work. And then [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah, and the button then. [speaker003:] With a strawberry on top. [speaker001:] Yeah, on uh n uh on the bottom of the remote you can do [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Well, the button button over here or whatever, I don't know. [speaker002:] Okay, yeah. [speaker004:] On the front, of course, because else you can't find it. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker004:] Well, that were my ideas a little bit. I'll close 'em down. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] Um, go away. [speaker001:] Okay, you [disfmarker] can you open the conceptual design presentation? [speaker004:] Conceptual design, yes. [speaker001:] See what was on the agenda. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Lazy. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] The agenda. [speaker001:] This is his own remote. Because um, maybe we can start with the technical uh functions, [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] but I don't think it's there [disfmarker] uh, yeah um, do we want to um use an LCD display, for example? [speaker004:] Well, it's nice, of course. But I don't I don't know what to display on it. [speaker003:] Only if we [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Me neither. [speaker003:] Maybe maybe we can make a TV guide on it, for the channel you're on. [speaker004:] I mean [disfmarker] Yeah, but it should be li like this big, and I don't think [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah, but it's so [disfmarker] [speaker003:] No, no, only the TV channel with the [disfmarker] with uh with [vocalsound] uh four programmes. [speaker001:] I don't think we should do it. [speaker003:] You can uh zap through them with the page up page down button. [speaker004:] Yes sure, but it it has to to show an entire title of a programme or at least a q a quite quite large part of it and then you get a very large LCD screen, because [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yes, it can [disfmarker] On your [disfmarker] No, on your mobile phone you can y you can read text also. So why not on your remote? [speaker001:] Yeah, but [disfmarker] no. I do I think it's a bit redundant, actually. [speaker004:] Yeah, I don't know. [speaker001:] And it's also not [disfmarker] I don't th even think it it looks s like sexy or something, [speaker002:] Well well what would you display on it then? [speaker001:] it's [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Uh, programme uh information or or or or g or a guide [speaker004:] Programme information. [speaker002:] But is it [disfmarker] isn't that a already on TV, a lot of new TVs? [speaker004:] But [disfmarker] [speaker003:] on t on teletext, yes. Also on the internet. [speaker004:] Well a lot a lot of TVs indeed show uh when you uh zap to a [disfmarker] [speaker003:] But [disfmarker] [speaker001:] But you're already watching the TV, you're not gonna watch your remote control. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yes, but you also want to know what's next. [speaker004:] But then we also uh w need to bring out a line of TVs which we were planning to, [speaker002:] Yeah, and we also have to [disfmarker] yeah. [speaker004:] but whatever. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Because the TV has to send information back to the RC, and I don't know if that's possible. [speaker003:] Yes, that's uh really possible. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yes, yes, o of course it's possible, [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] but you gotta uh implement it in the TVs, and I don't think everyone's gonna buy a Real Reaction TV within a month after the release of our uh remote control. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] And I also [disfmarker] [speaker001:] I really understand you want to make your job more exciting [vocalsound] by putting an LCD in it, [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] but I I really don't think it's a good n goo because it also doesn't stroke with [disfmarker] we wanted uh c When we talk about the materials, uh it's a good idea to use these plastic materials with soft rubber stuff on it. It was our idea, you know, to give it a more sturdy look and that you ca like you can throw with it. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] But I don't think a LCD display fits in that image. You know, it's like more vulnerable, and it adds nothing really, you know. [speaker004:] That's true, that's true, it breaks f yeah, it it it's not very solid, it's uh frag fragile. [speaker001:] Yeah, yeah. You could make it, but it's just [disfmarker] it it doesn't [disfmarker] I don't think it [disfmarker] it's coherent with the design we're after. [speaker004:] No. No. I don't think so ei either. [speaker001:] But that's my opinion. Well, you you y Okay, we can vote for it. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] You want the LCD display. I don't want to and [vocalsound] he doesn't, so it's up to him. [speaker003:] No. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound]. Ah. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] If we wanna [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah, I dunno. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] And I've read somewhere that I've got some kind of veto veto uh rights. [speaker002:] [vocalsound]. Oh, okay. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Bastard. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] So I can also say [disfmarker] [speaker002:] We can [gap] you away. [speaker001:] But did we skip the [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah, you could do [disfmarker] m but what what i so what i but do you think we should [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah, I don't know. Uh, uh I [disfmarker] i if it's it's a simple p [speaker001:] We're not even sure what what information we want to display on it. So [disfmarker] [speaker002:] No, that that's right, [speaker003:] No uh um [disfmarker] [speaker002:] and uh I also have to think about new functions, maybe buttons or something like that to control it. Kind of LCD or something or [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Y yes, you can use uh buttons uh uh w that are already uh on the remote control for double functions. [speaker004:] Yeah, I guess. [speaker002:] But how does it display then? W when I go to the second channel, what what does it show me? [speaker003:] Uh, then you push a button. The title and the information about the programme. [speaker002:] About that programme? [speaker003:] But but uh [disfmarker] yeah, what he said was right, about the televisions, they have to be uh customised to the [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Nah, that's not gonna work. [speaker003:] But maybe in future it will be a giant hit, and when you are the first [speaker004:] No. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] you have the biggest uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Oh, well uh I've seen it done before. Do you know th like the the bigger rem uh universal remotes, they have d LCD displays, [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] but then it's very functional to indicate which [disfmarker] what uh uh device you are controlling. So it's [disfmarker] that that's what I've seen. [speaker004:] Yeah, that's true, [speaker003:] Yes, you can put uh a little LCD display on it with uh with lots of information. [speaker004:] if you uh [disfmarker] Yeah. [speaker001:] But it just [disfmarker] it j it doesn't doesn't match with the [gap] our whole basic concept. [speaker003:] But uh I haven't thought about it. But whe but when you put a a a transparent uh plastic uh uh screen on top of it, it i it isn't vulnerable. [speaker001:] Well yeah, yeah, okay. That's maybe not the most important, [speaker003:] You can throw with it and [disfmarker] [speaker001:] but it's just [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Is it fashion? [speaker003:] When when you put uh maybe a colour LCD t uh screen on it, it's very special and very trendy to have uh a remote control from [disfmarker] [speaker001:] I don't think so. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] I don't know. That's not up to you. That's up to market if i if it's trendy. [speaker001:] Yeah, well do you ha do you have to [disfmarker] [gap] You haven't looked after the trendiness of LCD displays, have you? [speaker004:] [vocalsound] No. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [gap] [vocalsound] Because our our motto is we put fashion [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Well, I think it's uh I think it's pretty trendy, to be honest, uh but um I don't know if if if [disfmarker] well, I'm coming back to the costs again, but I think uh we gotta build a b pretty cheap design to to stay within our limits. And I think uh especially colour LCD, which is indeed pretty trendy. But I don't think [disfmarker] Uh, I think it will be too expensive. [speaker003:] But uh I've got a [disfmarker] the email with uh with the possibilities. [vocalsound] And LCD was a possibility for the remote control. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah yeah yeah. [speaker003:] So why don't we use it. [speaker004:] Uh, did it say a price also uh for for uh monogramme uh LCD or uh coloured LCD? [speaker001:] Yeah, but we're gonna [disfmarker] if it [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah, if you want to be trendy you have to be coloured. Coloured [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah really, if y if you c i [speaker002:] If you have black and white or something, or grey, that's [disfmarker] [speaker004:] I in in two thousand and four you can't uh put something on the market which is a monogramme. [speaker001:] Then uh then you better don't [disfmarker] yeah, d [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Really. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] No, but it doesn't sa say anything about a colour or [disfmarker] But, mm, I alf I also got a possibility to put uh a scroll button on it. But [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Uh uh I really don't feel the whole idea of an LCD display. [speaker003:] I didn't think that [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [gap] [speaker001:] I'm sorry. It can't co you cannot convince me. I don't know how [disfmarker] well how to [disfmarker] with you guys, but [disfmarker] I don't really feel it. We already [disfmarker] we're uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] It's too much uh maybe uh with with the LCD and the docking station and [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah, we already have the the th th th base station gadgets, [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] and want [disfmarker] and it [disfmarker] uh uh, do [disfmarker] it has to be a simple design, which sturdy, which soft [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yes, but o on the [disfmarker] [speaker004:] W we've we've gotta find a balance, of course. [speaker002:] With one thing special. [speaker004:] And I think [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Not a whole package of specialty. [speaker001:] I don't think [disfmarker] I j uh, and really, I don't see how the the LCD display is gonna add anything, you know, on a design level. Uh, I think it's slicker to have no L CEDs. [speaker003:] No, when y [speaker001:] Y we want to [disfmarker] [speaker003:] But it look [disfmarker] [speaker001:] it's simplicity, w you have two big buttons and you can do whatever you want with these two buttons, so you don't need an LCD. [speaker003:] Yes, but that remote controls are already on the market. The simple [disfmarker] [speaker001:] It doesn't fit in our philosophy uh behind the whole remote. [speaker003:] Yes, but but when you want to have something special [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah, but we already have the docking station, which is [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yes, but you had a picture of it from another company. [speaker004:] We have a pear. [speaker002:] And uh the [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [gap] It has to be developed, [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] but [disfmarker] no, but it [disfmarker] that's [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] that's our that's our killer feature. [speaker002:] It's just an it's just an idea. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] That's our [disfmarker] what makes it special. [speaker002:] It's a it's [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yes, it was already made. Tha the remote control on the docking station. [speaker001:] Yeah, we're gonna develop our own r n docking station. [speaker002:] True. [speaker004:] Is that so? Was it [disfmarker] [vocalsound] it wasn't just a prototype? [speaker003:] Yes, he have a picture of it. [speaker002:] Well uh I uh [disfmarker] Yeah, I dunno. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Exactly, [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] I've never seen it in a store. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Uh, but re we really have to cut this off, I re I know you [disfmarker] I I I I [vocalsound] I get the idea you really like it, you know, the the LCD thing, but I I think it's it's not a good idea, and we have already mentioned all the arguments. I don't [disfmarker] uh, do you guys agre How do you guys think? I d [speaker002:] No, it's too much. [speaker004:] I think it's a little too much, yeah. [speaker002:] It's overdone. [speaker001:] Okay, we s skip the [vocalsound] LCD display. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] I'm sorry, [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Democratically. [speaker001:] maybe you can do something if we are at your own place, or make it make it make it happen in your basement or something. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] No. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [gap]. [speaker003:] Mayb [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] I will rule the world with it. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] But [disfmarker] [vocalsound] Probably so. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. [speaker001:] Okay. But for the technical part. The m material, I think uh it was a good idea to use the plastic and uh the rubber. Uh [speaker003:] Yes, maybe a bit of a cushion is [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah yeah yeah, p Exactly. This is what it w Yeah, but it it was already what we're uh we're after, you know, to give it uh, you know, the soft touch in your hands [speaker004:] Yeah, for the spongy uh feel. [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yes. [speaker002:] With a spongy Bob feel. Yeah. [speaker001:] and also to, know, like [disfmarker] Yeah, that is y the b airbag kind of thing. [speaker003:] Like a b yes. [speaker001:] You can st throw it at your little brother's head. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah, airbag. [speaker002:] Yeah, you just can drop it. Yeah. [speaker004:] If you drop it if you drop it the airbag comes out, yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah. No no no, not that comfy. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Maybe it [disfmarker] but then we have to look that it uh w uh will not um be too childish to see. [speaker001:] Yeah yeah. Yeah. Okay, that's a that's a good point. And that's why I like the dark t col dark colour bit, you know, [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] because it may be [disfmarker] the design uh, it's uh maybe it is a bit of the [disfmarker] [speaker002:] But not black I think. [speaker001:] it's a bit nineties maybe, what we're what we're up to rat fun to this point. [speaker004:] No. [speaker002:] Well if if it's fruit and vegetables, it have to be colourful. [speaker001:] Yeah, that's that's true, but but it has to be a little big solid. [speaker004:] Yeah, b yeah, that's what w I I was pointing at. [speaker002:] But can we ge uh uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] It mustn't be too, n you know, th too overwhelming, then when you put it on your [gap] just [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Can we combine it or something? Uh with uh yellow and black? [speaker001:] Yeah. Yeah, maybe so. [speaker002:] Make it a bee? [speaker004:] What? [speaker002:] [vocalsound] A bee. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Oh, a bee. Oh. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] No, uh I don't like the yellow and black combination [gap]. But it is our company colours. Apparently. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yes, real real good colours. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yeah, [gap] it's our [disfmarker] yeah. We we have to use yellow. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Hmm. [speaker003:] Hmm. [speaker001:] I don't like yellow, and uh maybe [disfmarker] I don't know. [speaker004:] Well, we can as as I [speaker003:] But that's not really fruity. [speaker004:] draw really nicely over there. [vocalsound] We can put the logo on our uh on our base station. Uh, yeah. And maybe very very tiny on the remote control itself. [speaker001:] But [disfmarker] [speaker004:] But, i [speaker001:] Okay, but what [disfmarker] uh, what are other tef technical things we have to discuss? [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Uh fronts [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] of the [disfmarker] We can have uh different uh uh fronts of the [speaker001:] Should we do that? [speaker003:] telephone. [speaker001:] I don't think you [disfmarker] we should do that. Maybe just bring it out in different colours, [speaker002:] Different fronts. [speaker001:] but not af that you can switch fronts afterwards, that's also too much. [speaker004:] Yeah. I guess that's that's enough. [speaker001:] People don't wanna spend more money on their remote [vocalsound] control, I guess. [speaker004:] That's way too Nokia. [speaker002:] Yeah. Uh, you can you can l uh let choose the customer which colour he wants, yeah. [speaker003:] Are these designs? [speaker001:] Yeah, yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah, definitely. Just bring more designs on the market. [speaker002:] Yeah, Three three or four uh four uh colours, or something like that. [speaker001:] But uh, without [disfmarker] gon uh [speaker004:] Why not, yeah. [speaker001:] okay. So, are we through the technical part then? [speaker003:] Yes. [speaker001:] Okay. So we uh agreed upon uh n uh well, not u unanimously or how you call it, but [disfmarker] Yeah. [speaker003:] It [disfmarker] this a real uh young young and dynamic uh uh styles. [speaker002:] Well, yeah, the [disfmarker] Three to one. [vocalsound] That's [disfmarker] [speaker001:] The materials you uh mentioned in your your personal preferences were all [disfmarker] were quite okay. [speaker003:] [gap] Yes. [speaker001:] O o only only the last point your [disfmarker] [speaker002:] And tita uh titanium, is [disfmarker] uh is is it a no? [speaker003:] Yes, [gap] [disfmarker] [speaker001:] no titanium's not not out of question, I guess. [speaker002:] Is [disfmarker] [speaker003:] But also w [speaker002:] It's just like that, th this titanium. [speaker003:] Yes, b bu but when we use s soft [speaker001:] But is it possible to use both the the plastic and so uh soft things and t p titanium, as well? [speaker003:] mm [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Sure. [speaker001:] Makes it in a homogeneous uh design. [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker002:] No, not all, not all of them. [speaker003:] But it it [disfmarker] then it uh [disfmarker] you can't throw it it. It will uh make a huge noise or break other stuff [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] when you throw with uh titanium [disfmarker] [vocalsound] with your remote control. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] It will it will break other stuff w [vocalsound] when it's plastic, as well. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] No uh, [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] titanium is a bit uh it's a bit harder. [speaker004:] Yeah, that's true. [speaker001:] No, but uh uh, you should ma Yeah. [speaker003:] But also on the colours, the young [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Okay, think of the possibilities and make it in [disfmarker] completely titanium. Well would it be more trendy? More chic? [speaker004:] Yeah, I think it I think it does. [speaker002:] Uh, I think titanium nowadays is way more often used than plastic. [speaker003:] Yes, but a titanium remote control, when you're uh watching TV uh or your hands are a little bit sweaty, and the [disfmarker] [speaker002:] In trendy things. [speaker004:] Yeah, o On the other hand, if you want to make fruit [disfmarker] fruity stuff with uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah. It's cold in the winter. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yes. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah, but I I really like the idea of the the the plastic and the big kind of thing. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] But the question is i then it's, you know, is is [disfmarker] it fits in our s philosophy to make it uh sturdy and simple and uh, know, like uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah, that's true, that's true. [speaker003:] Sports and gaming. Define [speaker001:] When you make it titanium, it becomes more like some kind of gadget you actually don't need. And when it's big and plastic, it's like some fun stuff you can always have around. It's always fun to have something big and plastic around. [speaker004:] Yes. Yeah. [speaker002:] You have that uh MP three player of Nike, I saw. Isn't that titanium with a little bit of rubber? [speaker003:] Yes, it's w but it is uh plastic. [speaker002:] Isn't it [disfmarker] Is plastic? Well, it's titanium looking. [speaker003:] Yes, w we can do that on the on the [disfmarker] [speaker004:] What? [speaker002:] Yeah, he is. Here he is. Uh, the [disfmarker] I don't know if you know the MP three player of Nike. 'Kay, uh that that's very uh with rubber, so it's very [speaker004:] Oh, yeah. Okay, yeah. [speaker001:] [gap] Yeah, that's beautiful. [speaker004:] Yeah, I see. [speaker003:] We can make this as a style too. [speaker004:] Yeah, but but but [disfmarker] [speaker002:] rough. [speaker003:] Uh, this is uh just a [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Oh, maybe th maybe this is an [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah, I th I think that's difficult, because uh that's different material, and then you gotta have like uh uh uh two material lines of of of [disfmarker] [speaker003:] No, we c we can make it from the same kind of plastic. [speaker004:] Yeah, if it's just a colour uh which you uh which you change then, I guess it's it's nice to have one of these. Uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] No, I do like the idea of maybe a t titanium kind [disfmarker] type of body w and then with s plastic colouration [gap] around it. You know, like the the soft stuff, [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] but I don't know if it's possible. [speaker003:] I don't have the information. Uh, I I didn't got it [disfmarker] [speaker001:] But you can't make the plastic give uh the ti titanium look. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] True. [speaker003:] Yes. [speaker001:] But make it just like shiny. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Yeah yeah, true. [speaker001:] Maybe we should uh shou [speaker003:] Like the MP three player. [speaker002:] Yeah, maybe that's good idea, yeah. But if you want to la uh yeah, last longer than two weeks or something like that, you can maybe [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] And uh and [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] maybe we sh should we t [gap] I don't know if we should talk about [disfmarker] uh, how how much time have we got left? [speaker003:] Uh, in a lot of other uh [speaker002:] I don't know. What time does [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Forty minutes. [speaker003:] in a lot of other product uh categories like uh even in b in bags industry. Uh, they began with uh t typical uh leather bags, but then they became stylish, with all all si all sort of colours, and w kind of fon [disfmarker] of uh of fronts, like we can use on the telephone and it [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] Like Eastpack uh began a revolution with it with all this uh kind of bags and and colours and and [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [gap] You putting in different colours. [speaker003:] Yes, and and styles. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] They have uh also uh a kind of uh um uh roses on it, a and uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Uh yeah, yeah. [speaker001:] Okay. Yeah, but w yeah. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Well, it is. It's a possibility. But, let's think about the bas [speaker003:] Then we can always uh use the same design for a greater resemblance, but with new uh with new colours, new [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yes. New prints on it. Yep. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. [speaker003:] yes. [speaker001:] But wha th our basic idea [disfmarker] y I mean, you gonna [disfmarker] we're probably gonna have like two type of materials, like the d d b the plastic uh enclosure and then the the pads that surround it. And and pro and lights. We have to incorporate the lights too. But, uh do w gonna [gap] gonna [disfmarker] are we going to give it a two-tone colour look, like the the plastic mould is in in one colour and the s the cushion pads around it are in another colour? Is that the idea? Is that a good idea? [speaker004:] How do you mean? Th th the uh base in a in another [disfmarker] [speaker002:] The rubber. [speaker001:] How many colours are we [disfmarker] how many colours are we gonna [disfmarker] we're uh uh f uh f Only five minutes left, by the way. [speaker004:] Yes. [speaker001:] How many colours are we gonna give it? Like two-tone colour? T [speaker003:] There there are three uh components three components type. [speaker002:] Yeah. Uh no, not too much I think. [speaker003:] You have the buttons, the the case uh itself, and the rubber and th [speaker004:] How the buttons [disfmarker] yeah. [speaker001:] I think maybe the case itself should be in one colour and then the rubber of the buttons, [vocalsound] and the cushions as well should be in another colour. [speaker003:] Yes. [speaker002:] Or you just make uh one colour, uh maybe with a a z a kind of like a big wave or something like uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Okay, but not more than [disfmarker] [speaker002:] In in another colour. [speaker001:] Well, yeah, it's [gap] [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Not more than two colours I think. [speaker001:] No. [speaker004:] No, definitely not. [speaker002:] It's a g a little bit too flashy. [speaker001:] Maybe we should talk about it on a l in a later meeting. [speaker004:] Yes, definitely. [speaker003:] Yeah, or or when you use the buttons as black, it [disfmarker] you can use two colours as well uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Okay. But we have to uh think of some other uh important things. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Uh [disfmarker] oh yeah, the the functionalities of the the buttons. [speaker002:] The funct yeah, I was I was thinking about th the st do we still want a joystick idea. [speaker001:] No. [speaker004:] No, I think that's too vulnerable. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] I think this is okay, the [disfmarker] so we have the basic. Then we have the numbers. We have the power button. We have we have a teletext button. [speaker002:] The volume, teletext and [disfmarker] [speaker001:] And maybe want to access a a menu or something. [speaker004:] Yeah, but that's that's [disfmarker] I was thinking that's gotta be on the television. [speaker001:] Most TVs have a menu. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah, but I think you ha I really need a menu button. [speaker002:] Yeah yeah yeah yeah, b [speaker001:] That's just i the only button [disfmarker] only [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah, but wha what kind of menu? [speaker001:] You know, I [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Is uh [disfmarker] isn't that different from every television? [speaker001:] [vocalsound] No, I think most TVs have an uh a menu nowadays to access the uh uh screen settings. And so [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Mm. [vocalsound] Yeah, if it's c if [disfmarker] Yeah, I think it's okay to to add a menu button for uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] But that that covers all the all the other settings. It covers everything then. [speaker004:] and if the TV doesn't have a menu, then [disfmarker] [speaker003:] But then you have to put uh up and down and uh left and right [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah. Yeah, you can put that on the two eight four and six or whatever. [speaker001:] No, you can use the [disfmarker] And you al can also use the normal skip buttons for that. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker001:] Th in that way we have like only the numbers, the power button, skip and volume, and then uh uh ten uh rem [speaker004:] Mm, yeah. A mute and a teletext and a menu. [speaker001:] uh yeah, mute. A teletext and a menu, and then then i that's it. [speaker002:] Mute. [speaker004:] That's all. [speaker001:] It's all we need. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Hmm. [speaker001:] Okay, uh another stuf some stuff [vocalsound] about the the the design of the docking station. [speaker004:] Great. Yeah. [speaker002:] Okay, that's not mu not much functions. So [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Something important about a s uh, no, uh which sh uh should remind us of the remote itself, I guess. [speaker004:] Yeah, definitely. [speaker001:] Uh, in one colour. [speaker004:] Are we gonna do something with the uh spongy thing there? [speaker001:] Just use [disfmarker] I think the spongy thing already um comes forward in the in the in the cushions, pads and things on the s uh side. [speaker003:] Uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah, that's true, that's true. [speaker001:] And we will make it spongy and [disfmarker] and uh and uh well, the fruity thing is just the shape should be fru i did [disfmarker] I think this is kind of fruity, you know. Just round shapes with uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah, it's kinda fruity, and with th with catchy colours uh uh w [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yeah, but we're gonna have to [disfmarker] we really have to think [disfmarker] I think colours is very important, because it has to be flashy, but [disfmarker] and but it d it doesn't have to be annoying, that when you uh, know, some things is just over the top, and when you have it on your table for more than two weeks, you [disfmarker] [gap] it just gets annoying, because it's so big and flashy. [speaker004:] Yeah, definitely. [speaker001:] Uh, it has to be some level of subtlety, but we have to [disfmarker] still have to think of how we manage to uh to get to that. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker001:] Guess we're through then. [speaker004:] I guess so. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] But we [disfmarker] I think also we just [disfmarker] so we have to do something with colour but also, I I think we have to keep the dark colour thing in mind. I think that's uh adds to the [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yes. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] too much colour maybe m um [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Too much colour, i it uh [disfmarker] when you got it in a living room, it's too much maybe [speaker001:] But our des design experts will uh work that out. [speaker004:] Yea yeah. [speaker002:] It has to be [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Okay, well I think the meeting will be over within a minute. [speaker004:] Yep. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] So we will wrap up. [speaker004:] Something like that. [speaker001:] Or is there anything we'd like to discuss? [speaker004:] I guess not. [speaker001:] That's right. Okay. [speaker004:] Do you, guys? [speaker002:] No. [speaker004:] No? [speaker001:] Okay. Well, you will read the minutes uh in the [disfmarker] you can find them in the [disfmarker] [speaker004:] In the shared folder. [speaker002:] Oh, okay, yeah. [speaker001:] pro probably. Yeah [disfmarker] uh no, for su for sure because I'm will now type them out. [speaker003:] What are we going to do now? [speaker001:] Uh, y yeah. [speaker004:] You'll see in you email, I guess. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] I think uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] I hope so. And the other thing is that you don't have kind of prototype or something like that. You see a kinda prototype you can [disfmarker] a little bit more uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] I will make one in the next uh twenty minutes. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Construct one, yeah. [speaker001:] But [gap] toilet paper roll and uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] With you laptop? [vocalsound] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] Oh my God. [speaker004:] Alright, shall we get back to work? [speaker001:] Yep. [speaker004:] Great. [speaker001:] I was waiting for the l last message, but [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Well you are. We're not. [speaker004:] Yeah. [vocalsound] Bastard. [speaker003:] Back to the pen. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] You lazy [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Mm yeah. [speaker003:] [vocalsound]

[speaker002:] Good morning, Flores. [speaker001:] G good morning. [speaker002:] Marketing Expert. [speaker001:] Oh yeah. [speaker002:] Right. [speaker001:] Are you ready? You should put the laptop uh right into the square. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] For the cameras [speaker001:] For i for the cameras, yes. [speaker002:] Alright. [speaker001:] Good morning, Sebastian. [speaker003:] Good morning, [vocalsound] Mister PM. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [gap] [disfmarker] I'm fine. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] How are you today? How was your business trip to Boston? [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Um well, actually I didn't go, didn't feel like it. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Geez. [speaker001:] So [disfmarker] Do you want to open it as read-only. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Um I guess I should close it here. [speaker002:] You have the same message of uh Windows cannot um [speaker004:] [gap] [speaker002:] sen oh stand-by. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker002:] Close the the window. [speaker001:] Okay, the waiting is for our Marketing Expert, Ruud. [speaker002:] So [disfmarker] That's right. Ruud. [speaker001:] Um project kick-off. [speaker003:] Is there a schedule for this meeting? [speaker001:] Yes, there is actually. Um I will li list the agenda for today. For this meeting. Good morning, Ruud. [speaker004:] Good morning. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Uh it's important um [disfmarker] [speaker003:] I shall close the door. [speaker001:] yeah, great. It's important that the laptops are um exactly on the square, um for the cameras. Okay. Okay. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Um we're here to develop uh a new product. Um I'm sure you've had a mail from our account manager about it. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Um [vocalsound] and um this is the first meeting to to generate some uh uh some ideas about it. Um you are here in a specific role. Uh Ruud is here as the Marketing Expert, Roo is here as the User Interface Designer and Sebastian is here uh in the role of Industrial Designer. Is that correct? [speaker003:] That's correct. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Okay. Um [vocalsound] we're going to do um uh uh a little tool training uh for the tools we are going to use uh during uh the meetings we are going to have here. Um then I will tell you a little bit about my idea of the project plan, uh and we will have a discussion. Uh this meeting should take no more than twenty five minutes, so we should keep that in mind. [speaker002:] Alright. [speaker003:] Okay. Um is there any room for a little presentation? Uh maybe during the discussion uh section? [speaker001:] There is? Yeah, there is. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] No problem. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Um okay, this new product we are are g are going to develop, um it's a remote control, a television remote control. Um and first of all it should be original, it should be trendy and user-friendly. Those are kind of easy um uh uh goals, um and I'm sure we can find more goals for the for the product we are going to develop. [vocalsound] Um we will discuss uh later on more ideas about uh how the remote should look and how it sh it should function and all those kind of things. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] The market, we should have a look at the market. Um [vocalsound] we are going to use a a pred a project method uh during uh this development, um which consists of three different design stages. Uh the functional design, the conceptual design and the detailed design, um all of these stages um um mean that we do some individual work, prepare, and then uh meet to discuss our uh uh the [gap] [disfmarker] the the progressions, yes. [speaker002:] Progressions. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Um the first stage, the functional design um we are going to search for the user requirements, and we will um make a specific [disfmarker] uh specification of that. Um [vocalsound] the second is the technical functional design, um what effect should the remote have? Well in this case control t the the television I think. [speaker002:] It's for the vision. Yeah. [speaker001:] Um and the last one is the working design. How exactly does it work in the technical sense. Um the other design stages, uh we will discuss that later. So we'll kop it [disfmarker] keep it with the functional design. [vocalsound] Okay, um before we think about remote control we will um work with some of the tools we have uh here. Um as you see now I can give a presentation. [vocalsound] Um it's also possible to use this one as well. You can uh uh display pr uh two presentations if you want to. Um [vocalsound] to um presentate, to show us uh a file you'll need to uh place it in your project documents folder, which is on your desktop, at least it should be. Um then we have this electronic white-board system. [vocalsound] Um yeah, I will show that now. Um you can draw on the board using this pen. There are little um uh [speaker002:] Sensors. [speaker001:] sensors, so do not grab it here, but a lit more a little bit more to the uh to the end. Um well, it [disfmarker] it's on the um eraser now, so we click the pen button. Okay, so not too fast writing. Um [vocalsound] you can insert a new um slide or or white-board uh uh file um by either using the insert function or by clicking the next button or the blank button. It's quite the same. Um all our um whi um uh SMARTboard um notes should be kept in the same file. So do not m make a new file. Just use this one uh during the day. [vocalsound] Um you can use the eraser to make something go away. [speaker002:] But we all use the same white-board file [speaker001:] Yes. [speaker002:] So we can work together on it while we're [disfmarker] or should we only use it in the in the meetings? [speaker001:] Yeah. Yeah, in the meetings, only in the meetings. [speaker002:] Yeah, okay. [speaker001:] It's really like like a regu regular whiteboard. [speaker002:] Yeah, alright. Yep. [speaker001:] Um you can choose the format, um [disfmarker] sorry. Uh [disfmarker] Let me see. Um [disfmarker] Well [disfmarker] [vocalsound] I guess it's maybe because I'm not s uh pen selected. Yep. Current colour, you can choose another colour. And um for example black, and you c I can choose the line width. Um so now I d have a different line width and uh colour. Okay. Quite easy, if you uh do have any questions, just c ask me. Um [vocalsound] to um [disfmarker] oh well, I'm [disfmarker] I wrote down the documents uh should be in the project documents folder if you want to uh discuss it with us. Um as a little training [vocalsound] um I will ask Ruud first to draw uh uh your own animal on a new slide uh with uh a different colour and a different line width than the one uh now selected. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Um green. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] An animal. Okay. Um [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Uh a wee rabbit. [speaker002:] It's a bunny. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] A rabbit. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Alright. [speaker001:] Okay, well great. Um Roo, could you do the same please? [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] But of course, Flores. [speaker001:] But a different animal with a different colour and a different line width. [speaker002:] Blank. [speaker001:] Sebastian is thinking about the animal. [speaker003:] I'm just uh guessing what should be my favourite animal. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] Yeah, I'm think about it too. [vocalsound] Format [gap]. Well, it looked more than a bunny than a cat, but [vocalsound] it works, [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Well, I'll give it a try. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker002:] right? [speaker001:] It it should be a cat. Okay? [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Mm. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] I'm guessing a horse. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Very good. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] With a very small [vocalsound] legs. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] I was very good in drawing. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] You should feed that uh that animal. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Well, I guess you uh get the idea. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yes, okay. [speaker003:] Beautiful. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Beautiful. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Okay, so um you can use this at any time during the presentation if you want to. Um any questions [disfmarker] well, just just let me know. Um okay, back to our project. Um [vocalsound] the remote control we are going to develop um will have a selling price of about twenty five Euros. Uh the profit we are looking for for this product is fifty million Euros, which is quite a number. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Um we uh we will focus this internationally, so the product will be sold um, if there is market uh interest, uh in in more than one country. And um the production costs should not be more than uh twelve Euro fifty, so we should keep that in mind by uh w w during the development, [vocalsound] um because uh, well, those are important numbers. Um then the discussion, maybe the time for Sebastian to show his presentation. [speaker003:] Yes, um I have some technical uh issues which I would like to present to you uh before we start the discussion, because uh there might be some uh [speaker001:] Limitations. [speaker003:] influations influences. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker003:] Okay? [speaker001:] Okay, great. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Okay. Um first about my role, role of the Industrial Designer. I would like to think about uh the implementation of uh of things, and the technical possibilities and impossibilities. So if someone of you comes up with uh ideas, uh I'll try to translate them in technical functions, but uh there might be some impossibilities. So that's one. [vocalsound] Uh I also will propose some uh um uh some implementations for that, but [disfmarker] well, these are quite the same. Sorry about that. Um and I also will remind people of some new technical possibilities which are available and which might be interesting to implement in our product. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker003:] I have some uh initial ideas about some things um which are maybe nice to take with you in the upcoming uh discussion. One thing about uh interopera operability. Um I think a modern uh remote control should uh control a device [disfmarker] diverse subset of equipment. Uh for instance, uh DVD players, cell phones, video and audio equipment. So one re uh one remote control for all your equipment. [speaker002:] And for a cell phone? [speaker003:] Well, there should be some interoperabi interoperability between them. [speaker002:] Yeah, okay. Yeah. [speaker003:] I think it could come in handy. We should discuss that. Um and we should think about the way how these things uh should communicate with each other. We're not uh living in the uh nineteen eighties anymore, so infrared is not uh [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] is not really uh hot uh technical stuff anymore. But you should uh think about the things like uh Bluetooth. [speaker002:] But [disfmarker] Yeah, but the infrared, it's uh, well, a little bit old-fashioned, if you would call it like that. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. But it's cost-effective. [speaker002:] But all the TVs are uh equipped with infrared, so [speaker003:] Yes. Mm-hmm. Well, not all, not all. [speaker002:] y you you can [disfmarker] [speaker003:] So that's the point. [speaker002:] Most of them. [speaker003:] So [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Or you shou sh use a [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] you should equip infrared and Bluetooth together in one remote. [speaker003:] Maybe, but that's uh something we should discuss [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] and uh about every everybody should think about it. So that's just my role, I'll just uh give you uh everybody some technical input, and I think now the time is to have a little discussion about what uh the product should be and how it should look, [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] but take these things into account when you start the discussion. [speaker001:] Okay, so the the main por uh the main points you are uh telling us are focus on the inter uh operability, [speaker003:] Yes, so one thing uh one remote control should uh control one or more uh pieces of equipment, [speaker001:] and [disfmarker] Okay, and and uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] and the way of communicating with these equipments. [speaker001:] Okay. Okay, good. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker001:] Um [vocalsound] that was your presentation? [speaker003:] That's it. [speaker001:] Okay, okay. Um [vocalsound] okay. Great. Um [vocalsound] I'll go back to my own presentation. Um [disfmarker] Mm. Okay. Um I I do think it's time now to to discuss uh mm some things. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Um Sebastian told us a few things about the technical implemen uh implications. Um there are other things like um [vocalsound] how to make it trendy, which is I think uh um most uh Ru uh Ruud's uh role. Um the way how it should be controlled by the user, which is uh Roo uh r uh during this part. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Um so let's start with you. H how do you think the remote should um function for the user? [speaker002:] Well, I had a few uh things in mind. Um well, the interoperability, just like uh Sebastian said, um the remote should work on different TVs or even different uh um [disfmarker] Yeah uh, what is it, devices? [speaker001:] Yep. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Um so i i I think it's a universal remote control for customers to buy just new in uh a store. [speaker003:] Yes, I think it should be something like that. [speaker002:] It's not for uh for uh for uh Philips or whatever to buy our remote for their own product, right? [speaker001:] Okay, so we're we're going business to consumer, not [disfmarker] we're we're [disfmarker] it's not a [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah, I do I don't know that. It's no I have uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] We're not developing this product for a specific vendor, are we? [speaker002:] don't have the information for it. [speaker001:] No. No. [speaker003:] No, we're just developing this product, and we want to sell it to a very broad uh public, [speaker002:] No, okay. [speaker003:] so it should fit to every device. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. Uh Ruud, y do you agree? [speaker004:] Yeah, I think I think they're right, yeah. [speaker001:] Okay. Okay. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Um [disfmarker] Well, the techni fu technical function uh [gap] [disfmarker] what you said is just by pressing the button you should change the state of the TV. That's just the basic f technical function. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] So that was my [disfmarker] really my part for uh this session. Um [disfmarker] [speaker001:] So is that ease of use or uh is that more like um [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Well, that's just the fu the technical function is [vocalsound] pure what should the remote control do, wh what is his task uh as an uh as an uh device. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] It just should change the TV's state. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] So that's it. Um but furthermore [disfmarker] [speaker003:] And you you see uh the buttons as a as a means of doing this? [speaker002:] Yeah. Yeah, with buttons. [speaker003:] Or are there any o other controls? Are there only [disfmarker] any other cont [speaker002:] Yeah, or maybe you want a touch-screen or [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Well, [vocalsound] [speaker002:] But [disfmarker] [speaker003:] I I've seen these remote controls with uh this little stick uh which you can move forward, sidewords. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Uh-huh. [speaker003:] You know these things. And um it's very easy for a user to to switch [disfmarker] [speaker002:] They're very vu vulnerable. [speaker003:] w yes, [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] to to switch b uh between uh channels or uh change uh between tracks on a on a CD, on on a chapters, you know, on a DVD player. So maybe that's an idea, I don't know. [speaker002:] Yeah. And for other user interface I had um, well, it's more industrial thing. Uh point at a TV, I think it's it's quite disturbing when you always have to point directly to the TV, [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] so you must [vocalsound] point everywhere, so maybe infrared is [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker001:] Maybe not even pointed. [speaker002:] Yeah, just don't even point it, [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] so in that case infrared should uh maybe uh be restriction to that. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Okay [speaker003:] Uh is that uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [disfmarker] Uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] are there restriction for the range, the operating range too? So when you're not able to point at the device um the range is very limited. [speaker002:] Yeah, if you g if you go to radio or or [disfmarker] yeah. For TV, you're always in in the neighbourhood of a TV, so I don't think think the range should be a problem to that, [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] but if you want to uh get it working with a radio, and you're in [disfmarker] outside your garden with just one uh speaker, then maybe the range should be uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. Okay. [speaker001:] Okay, gentlemen, um uh just a reminder, we d we have five minutes left for this meeting [speaker002:] But [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] um [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Two more things. [speaker001:] okay. [speaker002:] Um You should able to feel the buttons without uh it mis um [disfmarker] [vocalsound] you have to know what you do without looking at the buttons, so it should be as user interface um for feeling should be uh good to understand. You must feel the buttons for volume or whatever, I think. [speaker001:] Okay, s yeah. Yeah. [speaker002:] And of course you don't always know where all buttons are, so it should be visible al um [vocalsound] in dark too. So when it's dark [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] Those are two really uh user interface [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Uh I'll write down glow in the dark. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yeah. [gap] [disfmarker] That's perfect. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Is tha [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker001:] Okay. Okay, um uh I just want to hear uh Ruud's um input for this meeting. [speaker003:] Do do you [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Um do you have anything already w um ab idea about how the market uh will respond to the [disfmarker] such a product? Or what we should take um in account when developing such a product? [speaker004:] Uh I think most most things have already been said, like uh control multiple devices. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] And uh, yeah, infrared might be an issue. [speaker001:] Because? [speaker004:] Uh well, he said about n abo what he said about pointing. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] But uh lots of devices already use infrared. So [disfmarker] we'll probably have to implement that. [speaker001:] Okay. Okay. Okay, Sebastian, did you have any other ideas? [speaker003:] Um well yes, I had, uh about three minutes ago, but I've seem to forget them [disfmarker] [vocalsound] forgot them. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Um [disfmarker] oh yes, I remember. Um you said something about visibility in the dark. Um [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] uh would it be nice for a user to have display on this uh remote control, on which you can see functions? Which makes it easier to operate it. [speaker002:] Yeah. Well, maybe I um [disfmarker] but it it can be quite simple, [speaker003:] I I don't know. [speaker002:] you can just have white buttons with a black mark on it. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. Okay. [speaker002:] The uh the the digits in black. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Uh then it's already visible in dark. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker002:] So it it don't have to be a lightning or or a fancy [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [disfmarker] well, it can be for design, of course. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker001:] Okay. Yeah, yeah, okay, because because we wa we want to develop a trendy product. [speaker003:] Yes, but there's a cost limitation too. [speaker001:] So [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Well, that's more [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah, [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] twelve Euro fifty, yeah. [speaker003:] So that's a big problem, I think. I think the the financial part of this project uh implicates that it's not going to be a high high-end product. The cost price is very low. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] Um [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Just remind something. The digits of uh the the painting on the buttons should not fade. [speaker001:] Okay, okay. [speaker003:] Okay. Very good point. Yeah. [speaker002:] You have a m uh [disfmarker] Always have s the soft buttons, always uh clear the the the paint on it. The marks. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker001:] Okay, um I ha I have one point f um which which comes in mind now. Um uh d I think the device should either be rechargeable very easily [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. Okay. [speaker001:] um or it should not consume too much um power. Because it's very annoying if you need to change the batteries every s uh uh every other week. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] So um maybe we could um for example uh only light the buttons that are um uh applicable at that moment or [disfmarker] [speaker002:] But um [disfmarker] Necessary, yeah. [speaker001:] yeah. I dunno, it's uh [disfmarker] [vocalsound] that's more Sebastian's uh um [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Hmm. [speaker002:] But then Bluetooth uh might be problem. 'Cause I think Bluetooth uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] It's use uh a lot of uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah, [speaker001:] Well does it? [speaker003:] well [disfmarker] [speaker002:] I know it from the cell phone. [speaker001:] I'm not sure. [speaker003:] Well, cell phones have uh integrated Bluetooth also and, well, it's [disfmarker] it seems to work uh quite okay. [speaker001:] Uh [disfmarker] Yeah. [speaker003:] So uh technically it will be possible. [speaker002:] But you can't you can't use Bluetooth all the time, twenty four hours a day. [speaker003:] No, you cannot. [speaker001:] Okay. Gentlemen, I'm afraid we do not have any more time. [speaker002:] Does it [disfmarker] [vocalsound] It's over? [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Um [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] so we will go back to our own uh work. Um next meeting starts in thirty minutes and um, well, you know your o your individual actions or your personal coach will probably email you about th it. Um so this was it. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] See you in thirty minutes. [speaker002:] Great.

[speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Are you sure I got it all [disfmarker] head's kinda small. [speaker003:] How're we placed in terms of the [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Okay. [gap] [speaker003:] alright. [speaker004:] We're okay? [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Guess I should probably try to sit up straight. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Like that? Okay, cool. [speaker004:] We're good? [speaker002:] Oh, I think mine's fallen off. [speaker003:] It fell [disfmarker] That's why. [speaker004:] I guess it's gonna be hard to drink coffee. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Uh okay. [speaker003:] Ah. [speaker001:] Okay? [vocalsound] Right, so I'm just gonna start this PowerPoint real quick. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Wow. [speaker001:] Yeah, PowerPoint. [speaker004:] Very official. [speaker001:] Yeah, well, you know, [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [vocalsound]. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah I kinda like this I'm kinda getting into it. Right. Um. So just to kick off the meeting basically um so we're working now for a real reaction, this is uh so it [vocalsound] right. Just got an agenda to set out what we're gonna try to accomplish in this particular first meeting. Um [vocalsound] We're gonna just do a quick opening and we can hopefully all get acquainted with one another um then we're gonna start [disfmarker] talk a little bit about tool training. Essentially that means getting used to the only thing that we haven't tried out yet, the whiteboard. [vocalsound] Um [vocalsound] we've got a general plan for the project how we're gonna go about accomplishing this and then just a bit of discussion close up. Um I [gap] guess you know game or something um [vocalsound] in real life um so yeah basically I want to [disfmarker] I'm just gonna [disfmarker] you got [disfmarker] of course you can discuss that, I'm thinking about um [vocalsound] uh proposing that since we've got this weird blend of ourselves and our roles that we just don't ask, don't tell. [vocalsound] Um so um if you say something about marketing, right, sorted, [speaker004:] [vocalsound] You're just gonna believe me, [speaker001:] um [vocalsound] y is [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] we'll go from there. [speaker001:] Exactly. [speaker004:] Fair enough. [speaker001:] Um I mean obvi if if you guys [disfmarker] if if at the same time if you [disfmarker] like logically if something doesn't [disfmarker] like if I'm like we're gonna sell a remote control that's the size of this paper book you know um you say like well that doesn't seem like such a good idea because of X obviously go with it. I mean we'll discuss it but I'm not gonna ask do you know that or uh yeah it seems like [speaker004:] Prove it yeah, okay. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] yeah yeah exactly so, 'cause we're [disfmarker] what we're sort of role playing is y g yeah you're gonna tap into your own knowledge as well [vocalsound] um. And that's the same for your when we do introductions I mean um and you talk about your background you know have fun, you know maybe you went to um [vocalsound] uh you know maybe i you're like in Maine you went to UCSB but you wanna say you went to Harvard or something like that, [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] why not, [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] you know you can [disfmarker] this is you know I guess we can have a little bit of fun with it. So are you guys okay with that does that seem logical? [speaker002:] Oh yeah, that's fine. [speaker003:] Sure. [speaker004:] Works for me. [speaker001:] Sweet. Cool. So I guess that that [vocalsound] we're totally [disfmarker] we're making a remote control which is thrilling [speaker002:] Right. [speaker001:] um uh but the idea is that we can make something based on the whole corporate model I dunno if you guys had time to check the [disfmarker] in real life I dunno if you guys uh [vocalsound] checked the um [vocalsound] uh the corporate website. Um we've got to make something as fashionable as possible, that's kind of the corporate strategy is we're gonna try to take ordinary stuff that nobody really thinks about and try to make it nice you know like John Lewis nice or you know if you go to Debenham's or something. So um basically we are reinventing the wheel but we wanna try to do it in a user friendly um slick sleek kind of way. [vocalsound] Um way we're gonna go about doing that is basically at first we're gonna start on the basics. And that's where I'm gonna need you guys the User Interface Designers and the um [vocalsound] um the other designer that I can't remember, [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] the the ID and the UID right um [vocalsound] the Industrial Designer [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] hey right on alright, [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker004:] There you go. [speaker001:] getting into it um to guide me and guide us on this project 'cause you're gonna be [disfmarker] you're g you guys are the bottom you know you're like no you can't do that you can't have you know X and Y um at the same time. And then um we'll work up from what is necessary to more like what would be good, you know like um [vocalsound] I I think you guys probably got the same emails I did but the idea of um, yes a coffee pot needs to be able to hold coffee but it's also better if it's not like really cheap glass so that it if you touch it you hurt your hand, or something like that. Um and so we'll work up from there and um then we'll meet on and talk about it and then finally we'll incorporate as kind of the last stage you know where you guys build or tell me [vocalsound] tell us what's possible and then you tell us what we can um hope for and what way to go take the the the take the basics and make it nicer and then ov obviously uh the UID and the ID you know you you can keep on the you know sort of at the cutting edge of how to get about maximising what is possible um to try t of sync it all up. So that's the detailed design. So it's a three stage kind of thing. Um right so for now just for th the white board um basically uh just to get used to it, I haven't tried it yet either um I'm just gonna start and um mm carry like five remotes around um and just write down [disfmarker] I'm just gonna write down one of the names of my um desert discs you know if you [disfmarker] if you were trapped on a desert island and you could only bring five CDs along with you name one of them that you could, not all five, if you wanna write all five go for it but name one of them that you could um. Oh, we skipped introductions. Nice. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] I'm a excellent Project Manager. Um. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] I'm Marty, um I went to uni at uh UC Santa Barbara and I'm here working on a PHD in psychology. Um yeah. So [disfmarker] [speaker004:] I'm Sarah, I went to Michigan, and I'm here doing cultural studies and I'm the Marketing Manager or something. Marketing, [speaker001:] Expert [vocalsound] [speaker004:] yeah Expert. Expert. [speaker001:] Don't play yourself down. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Fine. [speaker001:] Expert [vocalsound] [speaker004:] That's me. [speaker003:] I'm Ron. I uh once upon a time studied in Victoria and I am the User Interface Designer. [speaker002:] I'm Nathan, I'm from California, and I'm here doing a Masters degree in social anthropology. [speaker001:] Where did you go to uni Nathan? [speaker002:] [vocalsound] UCLA. [speaker001:] Oh brilliant. Cool. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] My little brother goes there. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] Right so desert island discs. [speaker004:] So. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] So do we have to wait for you to write it down or are you gonna tell us? [speaker001:] Well [speaker004:] I'm waiting to know. [speaker001:] I'll t i no no yeah I'm just gonna write a couple of 'em down. See I'm a big music fan I don't know if you guys are, [speaker004:] Uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] I'm assuming everybody likes music to some lesser or greater extent but [speaker004:] Fair enough. [speaker001:] there's some other options, if you're a TV slut like I am like Smallville terrible television show [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Oh, Smallville. [speaker001:] but I happen to love it, [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] it's rubbish but I love it. [speaker004:] I went to high school with Tom Willing actually. [speaker001:] T the the main c the main character? [speaker004:] The guy. Yeah. [speaker001:] Wow. Is he a wanker? [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Very much so. Hell of a soccer player but a total bastard nonetheless. [speaker001:] He looks really tall, like he's gotta be like six six. [speaker004:] Yeah. He is a big guy. Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. Um okay so [vocalsound] I really like Jeff Buckley. You guys heard of Jeff Buckley? [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Um that's cool 'cause like not very many people have. Um [vocalsound] and um oh well I might as well throw a British person in there um you can't go wrong with Radiohead. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] It's a r [speaker004:] Good call. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Okay so it really works just like a pen only makes noises I think. It's kinda weird. Anyway [speaker004:] Interesting. [speaker001:] yeah. Yeah, you're like press and it's [vocalsound]. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Kinda cool. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] You'll see. Alright so um [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] whoever wants to get up next, you can write down some telly that you watch or whatever you want. [speaker004:] I guess I'll go next then. [speaker003:] Go for it. [speaker001:] Right on. [speaker004:] Okay. Don't wanna lose all my mikes, plugged in here. Okay. This is basically just pen practice huh? [speaker001:] W [speaker004:] Okay. Oh you're much taller than me so I'm gonna write down here. Um. Right now I'm listening to a lot of somebody nobody's ever heard of, Chris Bathgate, [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker004:] local Michigan folk singer, [speaker001:] Nice. [speaker002:] Wow. [speaker004:] really lame and uh [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] uh what else did I bring with me? Probably classical, to totally geek it out, [speaker001:] Okay yeah yeah. [speaker004:] yeah I think. And my family guy DVDs [speaker001:] Well [speaker004:] but we don't need to write that one down. [speaker001:] yeah. Oh, family guy. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Isn't h has h do you watch the new season? [speaker004:] No. Are you getting it online, or is it on sky? [speaker001:] [vocalsound] I think I'm gonna start downloading it yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah, that'd be nice. [speaker003:] Alright. Think I'm just gonna put down one uh one CD. Anybody? [speaker001:] Mm-mm. [speaker002:] No. [speaker003:] No? [gap] no? [speaker004:] 'Fraid not. [speaker003:] Afro beat orchestra, very cool. [speaker001:] Afro beat orchestra? [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Very cool. Mm. [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker003:] Fift S [speaker002:] Sounds nice. [speaker003:] they like fifteen members from Brooklyn. Um and I'm hoping to go to the concert in Belgium, in Brussels in April first. [speaker001:] Wow. [speaker004:] Exciting. [speaker003:] Yeah. It's supposed to be in Brussels anyways. [speaker004:] That'd be [gap]. [speaker003:] Um thing I love about Edinburgh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Oh. I didn't even read those. Oops. I shouldn't admit that. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] That's what a PowerPoint presentation is for. It's they're designed specifically to ignore. I [disfmarker] it's [disfmarker] th brilliant. [speaker002:] Oh, wow. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] It's the five by five, I can't read that much. [speaker001:] Ah yes yes yes okay I see that. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] Yeah [speaker001:] Vomit. Yes. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] oh it's so horrible. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Love um [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Street pizza. It's so brilliant. [vocalsound] I've seen more urine in this city than ever before, [speaker004:] Oh my God. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] I just came from Glasgow [speaker001:] I mean [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Seriously? [speaker003:] and I'm um happy to say that there's the [disfmarker] there's the same quantity approximately. [speaker002:] There's more vomit there. [speaker003:] Um. [speaker001:] It's so minging. [speaker003:] I w [speaker004:] It really is [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Uh. [speaker003:] Does uh yeah. Ready? [speaker002:] Alright. Yep. [speaker003:] Minging? Nice. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] I'm going local. Going local. [speaker004:] Slide it in there. Yeah. [speaker001:] I have to be here for three years so I might as well get the terminology right. [speaker004:] Yeah fair enough. I've already got more than I can keep track of. And I'm gonna go home next week and everyone's gonna be like oh my God you're turning into one of those people, [speaker001:] Oh, have you been home yet? [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] no. [speaker001:] They'll be like, say something British, and you're like oh shut up family. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] I know. I know. [speaker003:] Uh-huh. [speaker002:] Um [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Oh it should be interesting. Wait until I tell them I'm not coming back. [speaker002:] Let's see. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Right [speaker004:] They're gonna love that one. [speaker001:] you s you're gonna stay here? [speaker004:] Probably. Or at least get a work visa for a while [speaker001:] Wow. [speaker004:] and then decide. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Nice. [speaker004:] 'Cause [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Bad religion? [speaker002:] Yeah, [speaker004:] nice. [speaker002:] that's the music I grew up listening to. [speaker004:] Of course. [speaker001:] Yeah yeah, yeah. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Oh, [speaker002:] And so there [disfmarker] [speaker004:] now I can think of so many other ones. [speaker001:] Well yeah that's why [disfmarker] [speaker004:] That's how it works. [speaker001:] yeah. [speaker002:] Something I miss about my hometown. [speaker001:] I miss coffee. [speaker002:] Burritos [speaker004:] Mm. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Nice. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Burritos. [speaker004:] Oh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] that cost less than eight Pounds. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Any thing that are like free. [speaker001:] Oh yeah two two bucks. Where are you from in California by the way? [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] I grew up in San Diego, but [speaker001:] Did you really? What part? [speaker002:] yeah um La Jolla, PB [gap]. [speaker001:] Yeah I'm from San Diego as well. [speaker004:] Nice. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah oh man. [speaker002:] But really uh I last lived in San Francisco, I haven't lived in Cali well I haven't lived in southern California since I was eighteen. [speaker001:] Going to s like North Carol I'm sorry you you just can't get a better burrito than what's available in the s in San Diego. [speaker002:] It's different. 'Cause in San Diego th the tortillas are cooked on the grill and in northern California they steam them. [speaker004:] It must make all the difference. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yeah, it really does. [speaker001:] Well it's it's [vocalsound] i there's other things too there's [disfmarker] you just can't place it [speaker004:] Ah. [speaker001:] like I [disfmarker] when I went to school in the U [disfmarker] in Santa Barbara which is central California the Mexican food is okay, it's just not good like [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] and yeah it's like two bucks, like literally two bucks for this massive [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Right. [speaker001:] I miss yeah good call on that. [speaker002:] Yeah. Where you from in San Diego? [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker001:] Um just literally just metropolitan San Diego, I live like five minutes from the zoo. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] So North Park actually if you want to get real specific. [speaker002:] Yeah, my grandparents lived on um thirty second. [speaker001:] Yep. [speaker002:] Close t uh do you know where Clare de Lune coffee shop is, [speaker001:] Yes. [speaker002:] and [speaker001:] On university, yeah. [speaker002:] Cafe Forte [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah it's actually like literally half a mile from my house. [speaker002:] Cool. [speaker001:] Yeah, pretty cool. Small world [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] as we were discussing before. Especially when we're all from the same general region. Right so okay, success on the whiteboard. [speaker004:] There you go. [speaker001:] You can harness the awesome power [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Wow. [speaker001:] a little bit introductions we talked about some of our CDs and things we like about the city you know, I think we'll [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Um right so [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] moving on to not fun stuff [vocalsound] uh project finance. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Um basically what we're trying to do is sell this remote for twenty five Euros. Um. [vocalsound] This is what the finance department has told me, the CFO but I don't know, I'm not sold on this, it's pretty dear, I mean twenty f that's like you know forty bucks for a remote. It would have to pretty much like do my laundry for me. [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker001:] Um so what we can maybe work on that a later but we're gonna make a lot on it, the profit aims to make fifty million Euros on it. Eur internationally. So [vocalsound] um one of the things I I was gonna mention to you um you guys the designers is that um it m we probably need a rever it needs to be a universal remote control probably. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] Um so something that could do NTSC as well as PAL as well as various other formats like if it's gonna control DVDs [speaker004:] Makes sense. Uh. [speaker001:] but um you know I'll leave that to you guys but that's something that i i it is gonna be an international sold thing. [vocalsound] Um but we wanna try to make it for twelve fifty. So we wanna try to make a hundred percent profit on it if we can. [vocalsound] Um s right so um just to close up, I'm not sure how much time I've used mm next time right Project Manager, sorted. Um. [vocalsound] Is uh we'll meet in another half an hour or so um [vocalsound] and I'd like the um Industrial Designer to get ge think about what needs to be done, like what the basic function of it. Um [vocalsound] UID well yeah you right g your assignments are up there and you'll also get s assignments from [disfmarker] in your email as well more spec specifics on what do do. Um mm basic and um so I need you to tell us what um [vocalsound] we [disfmarker] what the user's gonna want. [speaker004:] What they're looking for. [speaker001:] So actually in a way you guys c maybe in our next meeting chat a bit about what the user's gonna want and what the user can have, you know like uh so [disfmarker] [speaker004:] And negotiate that. Uh. [speaker001:] yeah well it is [vocalsound] and we'll discuss the trade-offs in between um so yeah specific instructions will be sent in your email. But I think that that is more or less a good place to start for now um and as more things come up we'll have meetings and you'll get emails and so forth. Um any questions, before we get started? [speaker003:] I assume that we're building a stand alone uh remote control, we can't kind of build it into other uh products. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] You mean to like [disfmarker] [speaker003:] For instance like a mobile phone or something like that. [speaker002:] Mm. Sounds interesting. [speaker001:] Hmm. [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker004:] I don't think there's any rules about it yet. So [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Maybe our personal coach will have something to say about that. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Or or you know can we produ can we sell a remote control phone for twenty five pounds or less? [speaker001:] Well, [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker001:] have a think about it. I mean [speaker003:] Yep. Okay. [speaker001:] I'm I'm certainly op it seems like yeah it it seems like it's certainly do-able [speaker004:] W yeah. [speaker001:] isn't it. I mean um or if we can't have a full mobile phone maybe a remote that has some other kind of [vocalsound] useful function. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] The clapper. No I mean [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] no, good idea, good idea. We'll see what [disfmarker] see what [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Maybe a remote with changeable faces, like the faces that you can buy for phones. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Nice. Hot. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] I like the little cover thingies. [speaker001:] Uh-huh y I like that [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. That's true, I guess we we probably have some time, maybe we should brainstorm a bit like what we wanna do, go back to um [disfmarker] I don't really have any. Let me bring up something about our basic goals here, what we want to accomplish. Uh project announcement. Ts ts ts [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] Yeah. Not so much. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Hmm. [speaker001:] All right we'll find them, we're on our own. [speaker003:] Now are we also discussing kind of our initial ideas at all here? [speaker001:] Yeah yeah let's do it, let's do. [speaker003:] S does anybody have any initial ideas? [speaker001:] I'm gonna go ahead and take notes on this too 'cause [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Good idea. Start your minutes. Um [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah I mean oh yeah right. [vocalsound] So initial ideas. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Well it's pretty much given it's gonna be universal right, [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] we decided that already and it may be functioning for other things, as soon as you said that I was thinking like all the other things you could get a remote to do, like your microwave or your front door [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] or like to have everything on one thing, [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] but then, I've never been a fan of those huge remotes that have like a million buttons, you can't tell what they do. [speaker002:] S smaller's better. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Simple. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] But [disfmarker] I'm thinking [disfmarker] I'm thinking kind of PDA uh design [speaker004:] Specific. [speaker003:] so touch screen design rather than button [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker002:] Oh right. [speaker003:] so that you can kind of flip around all sorts of different things. [speaker002:] That'd be different. [speaker004:] Interesting. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yeah [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] that's slick isn't it. I mean like [vocalsound] stylist [vocalsound] yeah like [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] a just a [speaker004:] True. [speaker001:] yeah. Right so we got five minutes more to chat about this, perfect. Um so we've got this kind of an idea of a trade-off between um [vocalsound] uh size and functionality. [speaker004:] Mm. Mm. [speaker001:] Um and we also [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Right. We want it to be munt multifunctional but at the same time if you get it to do too much you're not gonna be able to tell them apart, [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Too confusing. [speaker002:] It's gonna be too complicated, too crowded with buttons and things. [speaker001:] I'm also gonna note for future reference this idea [speaker004:] Hmm. [speaker001:] of um [vocalsound] so you [disfmarker] like [disfmarker] maybe like an L [disfmarker] like a touch screen type of remote? [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. Possibly. [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker001:] I don't think one exists. [speaker004:] An interesting option. [speaker001:] Be a good idea. [speaker002:] Needs [disfmarker] it needs one outstanding feature to set it apart from all the other remotes. [speaker004:] Yeah. Definitely. [speaker001:] Yeah all the other universal remotes. Um [vocalsound] I don't know if there's such a thing out there, I guess we could do some uh do some research on or one of us could do some research on it about whether or not there are um multi-format like um you know PAL, NTSC, region one [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Right. [speaker003:] I'm pretty sure there is. I mean I I have a friend who has a PDA [speaker001:] Okay. Okay. [speaker003:] that he just points at his telev any television he wants [speaker004:] That [disfmarker] [speaker003:] and it'll figure out the [vocalsound] the specifications of it [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] and will control it [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Interesting. [speaker004:] Awesome. [speaker003:] um so [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] I th I assume that that can be done with uh kind of around the world. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Okay. Okay. [vocalsound] Um all right. So. I li I'm liking that idea, this idea of a touch screen remote with multi-format features. Um. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Right. [speaker001:] Um. [vocalsound] Let's see. [speaker002:] I think, making it out of a nice material would be very important, because so many of those remotes that you see, these universal remotes look so cheap and low quality. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker004:] Yeah. Keeping it nice and slick, would be important. And [disfmarker] I don't know, like, there's such a problem with losing them, [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] that adding this whole like PDA pen business is only one more thing to lose, [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker004:] so we're gonna have to be careful with what like [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Oh. [speaker004:] Just something like keep in mind when we start actually dealing with this stuff but that would be really cool. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Uh let's see. Um. [speaker003:] I like the idea of the uh multi plate. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah yeah okay. [speaker004:] Yeah. Fi b [speaker003:] [vocalsound] In in [speaker004:] like [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] what are they called, those face plate things? Isn't there a name for them? [speaker001:] Think they're just called face plates? [speaker004:] Are they? [speaker002:] [gap] something, [speaker001:] I don't know. [speaker004:] I dunno. [speaker002:] uh we'll have to come up with a name, [speaker003:] I like. We should c we should come up with a fuzzy one as well. [speaker002:] patent it. [speaker004:] Yeah. Something really cool. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Leopard print or something. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] For those cold winter days. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Leopard print. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Um. [speaker004:] Hmm. [speaker002:] I think, it wouldn't be such a bad idea to have a like a locator device, maybe a simple button that you have on your television to help you find your remote. [speaker004:] True. [speaker001:] Mm. But if we're bundling it [disfmarker] [vocalsound] unless we're selling their telly with the remote. [speaker004:] Right. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] Um [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Well if we bundle it as a phone then you can always call it. [speaker002:] True. [speaker003:] If you're not doing that then we can have something that just kind of rings from either [disfmarker] [speaker004:] True. [speaker003:] well there used to be those whistling devices but that's a little bit annoying. [speaker004:] Right. [speaker001:] Cou could we not do something where like just a little lit like literally just a very small kind of thing that comes with the remote that you could place something else that you press and it makes the remote page. Kinda like how on a lot of um [vocalsound] uh cordless regular phones, you have a page button and it goes [vocalsound], [speaker003:] Th [speaker004:] Right. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Right. [speaker001:] could we do something like that? [speaker002:] [vocalsound] I think so. [speaker003:] That's cool. [speaker004:] Probably. [speaker003:] I think we could design into that. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Good. [speaker001:] Um yeah [vocalsound] I think this material quality as well like I guess what we can think about what kind of um uh you know Apple 's been really successful with this surgical white kind of business or this sleek kind of [speaker004:] Mm. Yeah. And that titanium the new silver sleek ones that's last couple of years, very much so. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] you know [disfmarker] Yeah. [speaker003:] Curves. [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker001:] Yeah. We do have the minimum am amount I mean we were talking finances I dunno, selling a a forty Pound remote would h or a forty Dollar remote, twenty five Euro remote would be pretty [disfmarker] you know it's pretty expensive [speaker004:] Right. [speaker001:] so maybe we might wanna trade off some of the features for a lower price. Without without getting into that whole like you know go down to bargain store remote you know bargain store universal remote [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Right. [speaker001:] that's black and you know m massive, [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] some kind of I dunno a balance there in somewhere. [speaker004:] Mm. Definitely. [speaker001:] But um have a think about what we can do, have a think about what we want to do, [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] how we're gonna sell it and um [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Or if you our users in mind, like these [disfmarker] grandmas are not gonna be into this whole new let's design, no it's [disfmarker] they're used to the buttons so we'll have to be careful of exactly who we're marketing this to, [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] and who we're gonna be able to get it out of. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker002:] 'S true. [speaker004:] But [disfmarker] [speaker003:] We're talking twenty five Pounds or twenty five Euros? [speaker001:] Twenty five Euros. [speaker004:] Euros. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Slight difference I guess. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah. [vocalsound] They're all weaker than [disfmarker] they're all stronger than the Dollar. [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker001:] Although, computer parts, all [disfmarker] if you're gonna upgrade your computer, buy it in the States. Like um do you guys know Fry's? Huge computer uh electronics store? [speaker003:] No. [speaker004:] Mm-mm. [speaker001:] They serve um [disfmarker] right they sa tha s they will sell things overseas so you can buy stuff in America [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker001:] and have it shipped over for like twenty thirty Pounds about. Right so um let's go ahead and wrap that up here for now, I'm gonna put these initial ideas that we've got in the um [vocalsound] project documents, so if you guys wa need a reminder about what we've talked about um the different you know kind of trade-offs that we've got and the other ideas, you can consult them at your leisure. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] And uh right so thanks for that. Let's just uh head back to work on what we were talking about bef uh goi h h getting into. [speaker004:] With half an hour? [speaker001:] Um. Yes. [speaker004:] 'Kay. Perfect. [speaker001:] Thanks guys. [speaker004:] Cool. [speaker003:] Thank you. [speaker002:] Alright.

[speaker001:] Alright? Alright. Thank you for coming to this third meeting of the uh uh design group. Um I think we uh made some definite progress at the last one um and come up with some interesting uh uh w suggestions for our our new remote control. Um I'll again very quickly uh just present some notes of that meeting. Um [vocalsound] the the the problem with existing remote controls, we felt, was that they're ugly um and that people are prepared to pay a premium for something better. Um they've got lots of buttons on them that uh people don't use and find difficult to learn. Um and people lose them. And [vocalsound] We we thought that f for our our new uh uh remote control that everybody will want to rush out and buy, um [vocalsound] that we're [disfmarker] [vocalsound] we should look at speech recognition rather than r rather than buttons, and that if we have any buttons they should be very few of them and only for those functions that are actually identified that that people use. That [disfmarker] um [vocalsound] we want to go for uh a long lasting battery that we gua we guarantee for the life of the uh uh the product and a shape that will be instantly recognisable, A um as uh a trendy remote control, and and B as uh a Real Reaction product. So that w uh when people are uh happy with that, they will they will want to buy uh everything else from us. Uh [disfmarker] [vocalsound] Okay. So again um, I'll [disfmarker] we'll have the three three presentations from the the the three of you and then uh we'll we'll make a a final a final uh decision. Um and the the decisions that we need to to make today, finally, are um what energy source we want to use, whether i it is practical to use uh um a a a long lasting one. And uh I I think our discussion was around the fact that uh if we're gonna go for uh a long lasting power supply, then basically it's uh sealed for life and uh if anybody does manage to run one down, we'll we'll give them another one. And uh it it'll be uh, you know, prominently displayed as part of the th the advertising literature that it's um um, you know, for life, guaranteed for life. Um [vocalsound] now the the the internal chip um [disfmarker] and uh this is where I need uh uh Kate's expert advice [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] and given that [vocalsound] th this has to to go to market as quickly as possible um d d do we go for a custom designed chip? Or or do we buy one off the shelf and and programme it ourselves? Uh I mean I'm I'm I'm n not an expert on these things, [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] but presumably, there must be loads of 'em already on the market that we can modify. But uh that that's uh that's your area of expertise. And then the uh, you know, the the overall design of the case uh is is is Kendra's field [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] and uh [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] we we had some discussions last time as as to uh how we might go forward and we'll we'll finalise those uh da today. Um and thi this is all linked in with the the the user interface, whether we p um [vocalsound] go for voice, buttons, or or a bit of both. Uh and then uh, you know, f for the next meeting Kate will be looking at the the the s the look, feel and design, Kendra the uh ho how the the user actually uses it and and Andrew of course the the product evaluation. And uh Kate and Kendra will be producing a a model for us to uh to look at. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Uh so, if if we can have the the three presentations again please, and uh um p perhaps you'd like to start uh k. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Okay. Um [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Kate. Oh I'm sorry, oh sorry. [speaker002:] Um p there we go. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] 'Kay, I'll just be talking about the components design. And [disfmarker] [vocalsound] Okay, basically I just uh looked at what exactly do remotes do. Uh basically they wait for you to press a key or give a voice command and then this is translated uh into uh light signals which are then seen by the TV. Uh the materials we're gonna need to look at [disfmarker] uh the two big ones are the integrated circuit chip and the battery and the in integrated circuit chip uh works in conjunction with a a diode transistor or resonator, uh two more resistors and a capacitor and the battery works in conjunction with a resistor and a capacitor. Um. [vocalsound] Uh basically what happens is you'll press a number or give a voice command and this creates a a connection within the the remote that allows the chip [disfmarker] the chip then senses this connection and produces a signal in a Morse code format. This signal's sent to the transistor which amplifies it and then sends it on to the light emitting diode and uh [disfmarker] which is then trai changed into a infrared light which is sent to the TV and sort of seen by the TV and which uh changes the channels. [vocalsound] Um. Oh. [vocalsound] Uh cool. [vocalsound] Uh so as for how we should end up uh using this in our remote uh t couple of main questions are the buttons. Uh y the fewer buttons you have, I guess the fewer internal connections and internal codes you're gonna need. Um however uh to n not have buttons or to use a voice commands instead of buttons might make these connections more difficult and uh raise the production cost. That's something we should think about. Also we have to work within the company constraints, and the company has informed me via email that uh they're experts at pushbuttons and that seems to be the most uh cost-effective way of producing it. Um also with battery connections the company has some limits on the batteries we can use, so I was thinking perhaps a combination of solar cells with a back-up basic battery and somehow between the combination of that two we might be able to come up with something that uh will last the the lifetime or the five to ten years and we could still keep that original idea. [vocalsound] Um we also need to look at the chips, uh v custom-designed versus off the shelf, and the custom-designed will give us much more flexibility and enable us to incorporate the voice function that we all uh seem to have agreed upon. Um, however that's gonna cost more, but uh the off the shelf is gonna be uh cheaper and it's gonna be [disfmarker] allow us to produce it quicker and get out there faster, but it's going to be less flexible with the features, especially things like uh voice activation, which haven't really been used much on remotes, so there's not really chips out there that would be easy to uh to convert, [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Okay, [speaker002:] so if we were uh definitely gonna go with the the voice option we'd probably have to design um our own chip. [vocalsound] And that pretty much sums it up. [speaker001:] so how um [disfmarker] sorry, [speaker002:] Mm. Oh yep, [speaker001:] can you uh just put that one back up again, please? Um. [speaker002:] sorry. [vocalsound] Yep. [speaker001:] Uh d d d [vocalsound] okay, I mean uh inevitably a b a custom design chip is gonna be more expensive. [speaker002:] Mm. [vocalsound] Um [speaker001:] Do we do we know uh by how much? [speaker002:] I don't actually have any price information, no. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] And and do we know how long it'll take to uh develop a a custom chip. [speaker002:] Um it [disfmarker] a lot longer than an off the shelf chip. Oh w yeah, we did [disfmarker] the the problem is the the the voice technology is not really highly developed, [speaker001:] Right, [speaker002:] it's sort of still still in an ex experimental form, [speaker001:] okay. [speaker002:] uh so it would uh [disfmarker] it's hard to predict the time. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Right, I think we need to make a a decision here. Uh given that the company wants this on the market quickly and cheaply, [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] that would appear to uh effectively constrain us to an existing chip and thus therefore conventional button technology. Um uh now before we go round everybody else, does anybody um [speaker003:] I [disfmarker] [speaker001:] h have any have anyti ha anything to say about that? [speaker003:] I just have a question about that. Um does it make a difference if there are just a few commands, for example if you um can pre-programme in like numbers one through ten and pre-programme say, you know, nine channels and then just use the voice recognition to say channel one and then you've programmed in say BBC four as your channel one, as your favourite, it's like to have a certain number of favourites um [speaker002:] W [speaker003:] and that w [speaker002:] just to to incorporate the voice activation in it is is sorta the trick. Once you've got the whole voice chip in there, then it's pretty much the the world [disfmarker] the the sky is your limit, [speaker003:] Okay. Then it doesn't matter. Okay. [speaker002:] but to actually [disfmarker] the the big step is to actually get the voice activation chips in there and working. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker001:] Cause uh I [vocalsound] must say I find it slightly surprising given that, you know, mobile phones incorporate voice activated dialling. So uh um I mean [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] I d d for slightly different [disfmarker] well no, I mean, it's if you you [disfmarker] speak somebody's name and it'll dial the number for you, so uh bu I mean the this this information is from [disfmarker] is [disfmarker] this is the internal company information, is it? [speaker002:] Uh bits of it, yeah. [speaker001:] So uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Of course mobile phones do tend to be more expensive, [speaker002:] Yes, as well. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] you know, hundred and fifty pounds or something. As opposed to the twenty Euros, twenty five Euros. [speaker001:] Yeah, mm true, again but if it's without any without any uh p price informations that's uh difficult to uh [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] uh decide. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Also lots of mobile phones have got a lot of technology in them, not just that, so. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] Yeah, that's that's right. It's like [disfmarker] it's it's [disfmarker] you can't [disfmarker] 'cause mobile phones are expensive, you can't say it's the voice recognition bit that is. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker001:] But we don't know. Um. [vocalsound] I mean uh I su i I mean if [disfmarker] given that the um the technology is not well developed and and given that it's it's never been done before, um th th the double risk, uh perhaps we ought to uh stick to uh to buttons, since the last thing we want to do is present a product that doesn't work. Um. Thoughts? [speaker003:] Well, another thought I [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Would [disfmarker] [speaker003:] oh, sorry, go ahead. [speaker004:] Oh I was just gonna say mayb maybe it sh like um [disfmarker] maybe we can like cut corners somewhere else to bring in over cost. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] I mean do w do we think that the voice technology is fundamental to the project? [speaker002:] Uh it's fundament well I mean I guess it it's something we've discussed uh since the the sort of the beginning, so I th I think in in our in our minds it's it's fundamental, but I don't know that the uh the upper echelons of the company would necessarily agree with that, so I think you have to [disfmarker] [speaker001:] I mean I think we [disfmarker] [gap] [speaker003:] Oh yeah. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [gap] [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker002:] Hm. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Well, I kinda think if we're gonna have the voice recognition for part of it, then maybe we should have it for the whole thing. [speaker001:] Yeah, I I I I I think that's uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker003:] And we've been talking about it the whole time. [speaker002:] Mm, mm. [speaker001:] Yeah, yeah. [speaker003:] Anyway, I'm I'm incli kinda inclined to say that we should just go for it. [speaker001:] Mm, right, okay. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker004:] Uh yeah, [gap] it's the second most important aspect to users that the device should be technologically innovative. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] [gap] [speaker004:] From uh my presentation show, so. [speaker001:] Yeah, it should be [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Uh technologically innovative. [speaker001:] Right, okay, so. [speaker002:] No, that sounds good. Mm. [speaker001:] Fine. Okay. I it will have voice recognition um uh [speaker002:] Mm. Cool. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker001:] if if that means uh if that means we can't afford buttons but I mean b b [vocalsound] [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Um [disfmarker] [speaker001:] second question, do we need the five buttons for channel change, up down, [vocalsound] volume up down and on off, just as a a backup or just so that people can uh j j just sit there pressing buttons? [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah, I I would say we do, yeah. [speaker003:] I think so. [speaker001:] Right. Okay. Sorry, d did you want to say anything? [speaker002:] Uh nope, [speaker001:] No? [speaker002:] that was it, that was it. [speaker001:] Okay. Shall we move rapidly on to uh Kendra? [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker001:] Uh um ra rapidly move the cable over. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Let's see. [speaker001:] Mm. Oh good. [speaker003:] Oh. Yes. Is it gonna work? [speaker002:] Yeah, [speaker001:] Mm yeah, [speaker002:] it's thinking about it. [speaker001:] it'll get there. Yep. [speaker003:] Okay. Okay, [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] so I did some research on the internet and um [vocalsound] what [vocalsound] [disfmarker] you know, the interf user interface are just aspects that are seen by users, um commands and mechanisms for the operation, and there're just kind of a variety of choices. Um findings, so a lot of times they tend to look cluttered and these were just a couple examples of um different kinds that are a little bit more unusual. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] There're some special ones available, like this one right here, [speaker001:] Mm, yeah. [speaker003:] which is marketed towards children, um different designs, [speaker001:] Uh-huh. Alright. [speaker003:] and one of the things that n we need to watch out for is a V in volume because people some [vocalsound] Bring a little picture of what I thought ours could look like [vocalsound]. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] So just kind of minimise the clutter, [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] avoid too many buttons and also um [vocalsound] one of the things that people have used is a slide button, like you have on a mouse, that possibly we could use that on the sides for volume, for example, have the slide button on the side, [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker003:] and then you can pre-programme the channels, the voice recognition and then the voice response sample locator. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Mm yeah. Sorry y y yeah, [vocalsound] if I can interrupt you. Well d [vocalsound] p 'kay, do you wanna say anything about um slide controls? [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] I mean I think the reason everybody uses pushbuttons is that they're they're si simple, cheap and reliable. [speaker002:] Uh [disfmarker] [vocalsound] Uh I think they're they're about the same cost really. I I mean, I think it's just sort of [disfmarker] the the [vocalsound] [disfmarker] there's a lot of slide buttons out there. I think it's pretty much the same sort of connection. Mm yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Okay, fair enough, fine. [speaker003:] Just because I n for example if I'm using a mouse I like to be able to slide it up and down [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker003:] so I thought it might be good for volume to just be able to kind of roll it and then have the up and down [speaker001:] Yeah. Good, good. [speaker003:] and then the [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] this is my great little drawing. [speaker001:] So three three [disfmarker] there's three buttons on a slider. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Three buttons, channel up channel up down and [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Y yes, yes. [speaker004:] Well, if you g if you if you got a channel up down, we can have a slider in that as well. Because if it [disfmarker] if you no [speaker003:] [gap] [speaker004:] if you notice on the thing it it kind of like has got kind of [disfmarker] if you you know it s kind of like sticks, if you know what I mean, up like one unit, if you see what I mean. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker004:] So it kinda goes up one, then y like you can keep rolling it up, but it's like like like like a cog or something. [speaker001:] Uh-huh. [speaker004:] So you kinda take it up one at a time. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] The only advantage I was thinking of to having the buttons, like the buttons on one side for the channel, and then the slider is that if you're just holding in your hand, and you pick it up, it's easy to n s know, okay, this is just the volume and this is the channel. [speaker004:] D [speaker001:] Um [disfmarker] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Oh. [speaker001:] This one on the one side and one [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Uh you could you could [vocalsound] as l as like a mouse you could [disfmarker] [speaker001:] yeah. Okay. [speaker002:] Ye yeah, 'cause I've definitely picked up remotes and like meant to change the channel and turn the volume, or vice versa, [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] so it'd be kinda good to have them be [disfmarker] feel completely different. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] You'd know what you were fiddling with. Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah, like the shape of it almost like a mouse, [speaker001:] Yeah, [speaker003:] That was [disfmarker] [speaker001:] or [disfmarker] yeah uh th th the [disfmarker] I mean thi this is what the [disfmarker] [speaker004:] with a [disfmarker] [speaker001:] we have to come up with is the the actual shape that people can ins instantly pick it up and and know know uh know what it's going to do. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Okay, so we we're looking at sliders for both a [disfmarker] uh volume and channel change [speaker003:] Um well I was thinking kind of just for the volume, [speaker001:] of one sort. Just for the volume, uh. [speaker003:] but what what do you guys think? [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker004:] Dep I dunno if it [disfmarker] [speaker003:] We could [disfmarker] [speaker004:] depending on the final shape of it, 'cause you could have like, I dunno, [gap] it looks like you can c control the volume with your thumb, [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] and then you could control the buttons with your fingers. [speaker003:] Yeah, yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah, [speaker001:] Fingers, yeah. [speaker002:] 'cause if [disfmarker] yeah, in that kinda position the fingers would be better for pressing and the [disfmarker] that for rolling, [speaker001:] It [disfmarker] yeah, I mean it it it seems to me that uh it uh it al also has the advantage that it it [disfmarker] the two are clearly different, [speaker003:] B [speaker002:] just the way it would [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Mm yeah, yeah, yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] um that there's no no possibility of uh confusing the two. [speaker004:] Oh yeah, yeah. [speaker001:] So okay. Right so uh [speaker003:] I'm just gonna pass this along. [speaker001:] that's [disfmarker] sorry is that that all you want to say at the mo [speaker003:] Yes. [speaker001:] okay, fine. [speaker003:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Mm right. [speaker004:] [gap] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Here we go. [speaker001:] Right. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Uh yeah, this is my report on trend watching. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] The data's come off internet uh from executive summary for us on the top three things wanted by the consumer. And we got reports from Paris, Milan on new fashions. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] And uh the most important aspect is the l the look [disfmarker] it has to look fancy, look and feel [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] uh instead of the current functional look and feel. This is a st well I was gonna say yeah twice as important as the second aspect, [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker004:] which is the technologically innov innovative um side of it. So uh and the third being easy to use is probably a given, we have to try and incorporate, so uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Well I I mean I th I think that what we're suggesting ought to address all three of those. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Uh exactly, yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] I s that out of sequence? Uh yeah, sorry. Uh yeah, and uh from the fashion watchers from Milan and Paris have said fruit and vegetables are an important theme for clothes and furniture and shoes, et cetera. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Oh. [speaker004:] Uh sorry, clothes, shoes and furniture [speaker001:] Uh-huh. [speaker004:] and uh a spongy material to be used on the [vocalsound] on the outside. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Mm I hadn't thought of that, that's different, certainly. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker004:] But uh I was gonna say um yeah, fruit and vegetables, uh important to [disfmarker] this year um important to furniture, [speaker001:] What? [speaker004:] I'm just gonna say uh [vocalsound] f like it's in [disfmarker] if if fashion [disfmarker] if we're going for the it looks fancy, then fashion is obviously the line we gotta be going through. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] But fashions do don't last very long. [speaker002:] Well that can kinda tie into our changing uh face things, like we could have the fruit and vegetable theme this year [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker002:] and uh whatever happens next year, we can have the face plates, [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah, we can have a sp like a spongy skin on it [speaker002:] yeah. [speaker004:] and then we can just whip that off and [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah, [speaker001:] Uh. [speaker002:] yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah like the kind you get on like hand weights. You know, that kind of spongy [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Mm, yeah, that weird [disfmarker] I dunno what that is, [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Uh. [speaker002:] but yeah. [speaker003:] yeah. [speaker004:] A kind of [disfmarker] yeah. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] Also means you can drop it without damaging it. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Oh [disfmarker] Yeah. [speaker002:] Uh [vocalsound], yeah, it's good as well. Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] That's [disfmarker] c cool. [speaker003:] Yeah, that's true. [speaker004:] Um [vocalsound] you have [disfmarker] we could [disfmarker] if we could save [disfmarker] depending on the cost of the product itself, you know, could we have uh a cheaper b cheaper power source and then just have it annually renewed? Instead of having a ten year guarantee? With interchangeable covers, could just buy a new one every year, a new one when new fashions come out. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] I I mean it its uh I [disfmarker] that's an interesting idea, it's like the old Swatch watch where uh um on only batteries ever got changed in those, 'cause people just bought a new one when it went out of fashion, but it's just never been seen as a a fashion item before. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Um that's [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Wh [speaker001:] yes if if if they're made in sufficient quantity [disfmarker] [speaker002:] I [disfmarker] I think it's easier sometimes to have them buy changeable covers for it than to buy a whole new one, because you don't feel like you're investing in a whole new product. [speaker001:] W I mean we we can uh uh b but I mean my feeling is that current power sources are such that for relatively little cost you can make it last, you know, a long time. [speaker002:] Yeah. Mm. Yeah. [speaker001:] Um but if we also make it cheap enough that people either change the cover every year or even buy a new one every year then it it's it's even better. [speaker002:] Mm. Mm. [speaker003:] What if we included the batteries in the cover? [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Oh yeah. I like that. [speaker003:] So um [speaker002:] That all c also kind of encourages 'em to buy new covers [speaker003:] like [disfmarker] [speaker002:] and [disfmarker] yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah, so can I see that thing? [speaker002:] Um. [speaker001:] S [speaker003:] Just [disfmarker] this as examples. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yeah, yeah, I n I know [disfmarker] the only p [speaker003:] So f [speaker001:] I mean the the the the immediate thing that comes to mind with that is that it it it [disfmarker] y you've then got the connection and you've immediately got a sort of unreliability, whereas the advantage of having it plumbed in is that that the whole thing is all, you know, completely soldered together [speaker002:] Uh yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah, I guess that's [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] and it it it [disfmarker] you know, total reliability, [speaker003:] true. [speaker001:] but I mean I d I I uh I know what you're saying and uh understand where you're coming from. [speaker004:] Or [disfmarker] well, but like uh like more than just the battery, like a complete different [disfmarker] like you've only got like, you know like th uh this bit's the bit you keep, and this is the expensive bit, this is like the chip and this is the microphone. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] And then this is the power source and the bit everyone sees. And then [disfmarker] [speaker001:] I th I s I think if we're gonna go down that route, then we're talking about uh [disfmarker] even if it costs slightly more than that, um just building the whole thing in one, [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah, you probably are right. [speaker001:] then having [disfmarker] getting cheaper production costs um and, you know giving people the option of buying a new uh [disfmarker] a a complete new thing, the advantage of a replaceable cover is that even if they don't [disfmarker] it doesn't have a cover on at all, it will still work um totally. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker003:] Yeah, that's true. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] Um then if, you know, if people lose the cover, I mean they they might be well inclined to go out and spend however many Euros on a on a new one um rather than a a complete new re remote. [speaker003:] Yeah, yeah. Yeah. [speaker002:] Well that that's just it with the covers, you're sort of tricking 'em into continuing to spend their money on our products without making 'em feel like they're being ripped off having to buy a new product. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah, I mean it is [disfmarker] it's up to it's up to [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah, [speaker002:] So, [speaker003:] just another five Euro to get [disfmarker] [speaker002:] yeah. Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah, it's it's up to our marketing people to to ma to ma turn it into a a fashion item. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker003:] Right. [speaker002:] Mm, yeah. [speaker001:] Um and, you know, as as external fashions change, then we get new new covers on the market and, you know, readily available. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] And um [disfmarker] [speaker002:] And that's the sort of thing, once you get the mould set, you can just whip out different colours, different pictures very very quickly. [speaker001:] [gap] that's that's right, yeah, yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah, like they have for mobile phones [speaker002:] Yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly. [speaker003:] that are just fruits and animal prints and colours. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah, okay. [speaker001:] So uh i so uh okay. [vocalsound] Um right, sorry. Um we hadn't finished your [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Um [disfmarker] oh, don't worry it's all said, I was just gonna say uh [disfmarker] yeah, are we gonna make this as part of like like uh [disfmarker] a part of the f like it it [disfmarker] the fashions apply to furniture, so are we gonna make this part of the furniture? [speaker001:] It's the sort of thing that we want people to have prominent dis displayed on their um coffee table to say this says something about me. [speaker002:] Mm. Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Um this is fashionable. [speaker004:] Yeah. This is fashionable with [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] I, you know, I'm I'm I'm with it, I'm up to date. And you know, th the the design that I've got, and and it could be a a home-made design, um you know this says this is not just a a television remote control, this is, you know, a fashion accessory. Um, so I mean the the the basic shape i is is what we uh [disfmarker] I mean given that we've got you know one one on off button presumably, two buttons for uh channel change and one slider and basically nothing else, [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] um w we need to decide on the [disfmarker] just the basic shape of the thing. And, know whether we go down the fruit and veg route, and I don't suggest we make it look like a banana, [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] but um know sort of the the organic, you know, curved look, [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] you know, [speaker004:] Oh yeah. [speaker001:] t to deliberately get away from the uh um [vocalsound] uh you know, the the the the square look of most um current uh remotes and, you know, whether whether the you know, the the fixed part of it is the corporate yellow. Um mm or uh [disfmarker] 'cause there's certainly you know, the the corporate logo needs to be prominently uh displayed so that people s th looked at it and say right, that's a Real Reaction remote control, I want one of those. [speaker002:] I dunno that we should make the whole thing yellow I kinda thought with a [disfmarker] you'd have like a yellow circle with the RR in it somewhere on it, [speaker001:] Yeah uh the the uh [vocalsound] [disfmarker] or or b [speaker003:] Yeah, like an [gap]. [speaker002:] but I'd [disfmarker] yellow seems a bit of a strong colour [speaker001:] Yeah, [speaker002:] to make the ent like the thing [disfmarker] [speaker001:] I'd I'd um [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker002:] no, [speaker001:] yeah. Uh no [speaker002:] but I mean just like white or grey or black or some sort of blah colour. [speaker001:] I d I I agree, I mean we're we're we're simply [disfmarker] it's simply required to incorporate the the the the corporate logo prominently um. [speaker002:] Yeah, yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah [vocalsound]. Mm [vocalsound]. [speaker004:] And make that a fashion symbol as well. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Well n [speaker001:] Well, th this is [disfmarker] this is the whole point, yes, you know, I'm [disfmarker] I've got a a Real Reaction uh remote control to go with my Real Reaction coffee maker or or whatever. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] And uh then people, you know, people demand more Real Reaction stuff. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] Well I was sort of mm kinda picturing like maybe um [vocalsound] a shape that's almost like a mouse. [speaker002:] Mm. Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] So that, you know, when they hold it it's [disfmarker] because a mouse is pretty comfortable to hold in your hand um maybe we could make it a slightly different shape so they could hold on to it, but that way they can have the volume on the side and then the channel buttons and [speaker001:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker003:] have the power, wherever, somewhere. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] I mean that was just an idea that I had. [speaker001:] I mean I've uh [disfmarker] yeah. Oh no that [disfmarker] well there's the sim [disfmarker] my my idea was something a b probably you know a bit fatter than this but sort of tha that sorta shape [speaker003:] Yeah. Yeah, maybe. [speaker001:] so that you can just sort of ho hold it. [speaker002:] Yeah, you'd want it narrower than a mouse though [speaker003:] Kind of a c [speaker002:] 'cause it [disfmarker] a mouse you're kinda just resting on it, you want something you can definitely grip. [speaker001:] W it [disfmarker] [speaker002:] So maybe it'd be [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] I mean [disfmarker] well it's sort of it's it's sort of uh a a mouse, [speaker003:] Sort of a combination. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah, yeah. [speaker001:] but held, you know, [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] so it's [disfmarker] you sorta hold it in your hand like that, i with, you know, and fiddling with the buttons. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah, and fiddle around with it and press it. [speaker003:] Yeah so [disfmarker] yeah, kind of maybe maybe a little wider than this, 'cause this is pretty comfortable to hold, and then if you had [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Maybe almost like a hairbrush, like you could get the [disfmarker] about the width of that end of the pen [speaker003:] Yeah, [speaker002:] and then it widens up top [speaker003:] then wider up here. [speaker002:] and you can fiddle an [speaker003:] And then it would have a l uh wider thing to uh have the light, the infrared light at the TV and just kinda change channels and adjust the volume [speaker002:] yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Mm. [speaker003:] and the power could be wherever, up up the top or something. [speaker002:] Yeah, cool. [speaker003:] What do you guys think about that? [speaker004:] Yeah, that sounds [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Okay, yeah, yeah. [speaker004:] Um I'm just [disfmarker] I'm suddenly realising that yeah we're discussing how much [disfmarker] how good it's gonna be to change channels t we still can just tell it to. I mean are we are we starting to get away from the the voice functionality of it? [speaker003:] Oh yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] It's a very good point. [speaker003:] It is a very good point. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] I think we d I think we decided that w we're actually going down both routes. [speaker002:] Yeah, yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] That um the [vocalsound] we n we need the the manual controls and that they should be of that form, [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] but that uh [disfmarker] yeah [vocalsound]. [speaker002:] But [disfmarker] do you know, this shape also kind of les lend itself to to voice [gap] 'cause if you're you're holding it and you're fiddling, but you can also bring it up like that [speaker001:] Then you just bring it up to your mouth [speaker002:] and it's microphone-esque, [speaker001:] and just speak to it, [speaker003:] Yeah, and just say [disfmarker] [speaker001:] yeah, yeah. [speaker002:] yeah, yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah, maybe we cou like w like we're leaving out the buttons for the the f less frequently used stuff, but maybe we could incorporate that into the voice. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] I th I th honest uh [vocalsound] my personal view is that if it's not there, people wouldn't use it anyway um. [speaker004:] Mm I suppose, but t there is the off chance that, you know, th the brightness is wrong on your TV or the contrast needs changing. [speaker001:] It's cer it's certainly possible I mean, but they [disfmarker] we we're going beyond w w [speaker002:] Bu Mm. [speaker001:] given the state of the technology [vocalsound] we want something that we kno we know will will work um. [speaker004:] Hmm yeah. [speaker002:] Well you can still i incorporate the voice with with less buttons. I mean [vocalsound] uh if the power button was also somehow like a menu button you could press that and [disfmarker] or do voice commands, and [vocalsound] either volume thing could also be to scroll through other options like y and you could scroll through brightness [speaker001:] Uh [vocalsound] [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah, that's a good idea. [speaker002:] and and sc [speaker003:] Yeah, I suppose I sup [speaker002:] and then you can you can minimise the buttons and still have those, you know, brightness and tint and stuff. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] If we we're [disfmarker] I mean [vocalsound] I'm getting a clear message that we think that we should have those facilities available. [speaker003:] So I guess we could have a menu button as well. [speaker002:] Yeah [vocalsound] [speaker003:] We could have the channels and the power and then a menu button and then the volume. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] So have four buttons and the volume instead of three buttons and the volume. [speaker001:] Uh uh uh [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Okay, if we if we're going down that route, then we need some sort of display. Do we need some sort of display? [speaker002:] But the television would be the display [speaker003:] Yeah, that's on the TV, yeah. [speaker001:] We actually use the television, okay. Okay, okay, okay. [speaker002:] that [disfmarker] things like that usually c pop up on a televi [speaker003:] Yeah, and then y [speaker002:] like you hit menu and menu will come up on television and have like tint brightness, and you'd use the scroll, scroll through it yeah. [speaker004:] Well I mean on a [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yep. [speaker004:] onto like a mouse, the ru the scrolling button, is actually a button as well, you could press it, you could press that and have it as a menu button. [speaker002:] Yeah, [speaker003:] Yeah, press that [speaker002:] yeah, that's true. [speaker003:] is t yeah, that might work. [speaker002:] I never understood how that worked though, but yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah, it's like um [disfmarker] yeah, it's like the mouse where you just kinda click it. You just press it. [speaker002:] Yeah, mm. [speaker003:] Yeah, and you could just click that to [disfmarker] so if you had like the menu then you could scroll through and then click it to select. [speaker002:] Mm, oka yeah. Yeah. [speaker004:] Uh yeah. [speaker003:] You know what I mean? [speaker001:] Mm yeah. Okay, we got five minutes to go in this meeting, [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker001:] so um I d I think we've actually very conveniently just uh come to uh a good point to s to sum up um. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Cool. [speaker001:] So um b b Kate and Kendra now go away and uh pa play play with a bit of Plasticine or play-dough, [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Play with play-dough. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] whatever it is on the other side of the Atlantic. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Hmm. [speaker001:] Um and actually put what we've discussed into something uh [disfmarker] I was gonna say concrete, but that's a slightly inappropriate word [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] um to something that we can we can see and um Andrew n can go away and th th think about how we can uh actually market this as a concept and not j not just a uh um a a simple remote control. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Uh can I just get some things clear just for [vocalsound] my sake. [speaker001:] Yeah, certainly, of course. [speaker004:] Our energy source is gonna be [speaker001:] I think I think we decided that we're gonna [disfmarker] for [speaker004:] long term. [speaker001:] for simplicity of, you know, manufacturing and uh maintenance that we will go for a a long term battery source um, [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker004:] Cool. Uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] I [disfmarker] you know, on the basis that um that, you know, if we're going for making it a fashion statement, then uh people are more likely to change it anyway uh before i it runs out and um [vocalsound] make an assumption that we we can aim for a battery that will last most people for uh we'll say at least five five ten years [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker001:] and that we'll w we will guarantee it for for five years um. [speaker004:] And we're having a custom chip? [speaker001:] [vocalsound] We're having a a custom chip, but given the the [disfmarker] we've cut the functions down, um that will hopefully not be too problematic, but given that um technol technological innovation is important, [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] then we need to, I'll say it again, technologically innovate. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Um and uh we we, know, we must resist any efforts to uh to try and water that down um. [speaker004:] And interchangeable case? [speaker001:] I i interchangeable case seems to be um [vocalsound] um important to the concept. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] Um it it should be cheap, you know, if if we avoid any, you know, electrical connections. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] And uh i you know, i if we can come up with some way of of allowing people to actually personalise it uh to whatever they want, then uh [disfmarker] I mean uh uh this is totally new. [speaker004:] Mm, mm-hmm. [speaker001:] We d we don't know whether that [disfmarker] to what extent people do it or not, but if they've at least got a a good selection of um covers that they can use anyway, and uh and if if we can keep them, you know, rolling, then uh [disfmarker] you know, so they can get them in the supermarket when they go down to um a any of the famous supermarkets, [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] I won't mention any mention any names, [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] um it's uh it's good for the supermarket and it's good for us and it hopefully makes them feel better. [speaker004:] And uh are we gonna have it il being illuminated from inside onto the buttons or [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Um the [disfmarker] that [disfmarker] I mean that's [disfmarker] no, because we've got so few buttons that it [disfmarker] that actually makes that redundant. [speaker003:] Yeah, I think so too. [speaker002:] Mm, does actually, yeah, yeah. [speaker004:] Cool. [speaker003:] Yeah, and especially for making them so like different and [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Mm different to feel, [speaker001:] Yeah, yeah. [speaker002:] yeah, yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] And the [disfmarker] you know, that that solves one of the problems of b of battery life, [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. Yep, yeah. [speaker001:] 'cause that would [disfmarker] well that would clobber the battery life, [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] so no, [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] I mean given the nature of the buttons we're having, it's actually uh uh unnecessary I think. [speaker003:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] Are we having it that it's any angle, or is it just [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] As uh as wide [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker004:] As wide as possible. [speaker001:] [disfmarker] cer certainly wider angle than than current, so that if you're holding it, you know, anyway like you're likely to and uh it's uh [vocalsound] you know, i i it will work most of the time um. [speaker003:] Like this or like this. [speaker002:] Mm [vocalsound] yeah. [speaker001:] Not like my my mum who points it at the ceiling and wonders why the th th the television doesn't work. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Um yeah, I mean I d I th I sorta envisaged that if if this was the the thing, then sort of the the whole of the top would be the uh the infrared uh. [speaker003:] Yeah, [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] kinda like this whole [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah, mm. [speaker003:] So you could use like this and it would go [gap]. [speaker001:] Um so [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] Yeah, 'cause I mean the r reality is people are [vocalsound] [disfmarker] they're gonna be looking at the television whilst they're using it, the chances are, so if if they're holding it anyway, the they're reasonably likely to be holding it to use it, [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] then uh then that that's the sort of coverage that we want. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Um okay, d we're all clear where we go from here. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yep. [speaker002:] Yep, sounds good. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Okay, so thank you very much indeed [speaker002:] 'Kay. [speaker001:] and I'll s see you all again in thirty minutes. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker002:] 'Kay.

[speaker001:] Okay. Oh, that's not gonna work. [vocalsound] Oh, alright. [vocalsound] Okay. Okay. Um alright. [speaker004:] Uh, uh, um. [speaker001:] I'll just put that there. Uh as you all know we're here to create a brand new fantastic remote. Uh I'm Nick Debusk, I'm the Project Manager. Uh we'll just get started with everyone kind of letting each other know who they are and what you're doing, what your what your role is um. Go ahead. [speaker004:] Okay. [vocalsound] I am Corinne Whiting and I will be the Marketing Expert and in each of the three phases I will have a different role. In the function design phase I will be talking about user requirement specification, and this means what needs and desires are to be fulfilled, and I'll be doing research to figure this out. In the conceptual design phase I will be dealing with trend watching and I'll be doing marketing research on the web. And then finally in the um detailed design phase I will be doing product evaluation and so I will be collecting the requirements and ranking all the requirements to see how we did. [speaker001:] 'Kay. [speaker003:] Hiya I'm Ryan. Um I'm the User Interface Designer. Um likewise I've three different roles for each stage of design. Um the functional design is looking at the tex technical functions of a remote control. Um in the concept design, the user interface, how the user reacts with the the product. And the detailed design um [vocalsound] sort of like the user interface design, what they might be looking for, uh things like fashions, what makes wha how we're gonna make it special. That's about it. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Right. [vocalsound] I'm Manuel and I'm the Industrial Designer in in this project um. In the functional design phase I'm [disfmarker] I'll be dealing mostly with the requirements, um we'll discuss what the prog what functions the the product has to fulfil and so and so on. Um I suppose we'll work pretty much together on that one. Um um in the conceptual design um I'll be pro mostly dealing with properties and materials um of our product. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] And uh the detailed design [disfmarker] in the detailed design I'll be concerned with the look and feel of the product itself, um so we're pretty much working together obviously on the design front here. Okay. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Okay. Um so we've got our opening, our our agenda is the opening, uh acquaintance which we've kinda done. Uh tool training, project plan discussion and then closing. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Uh grand total of twenty five minutes we have here. Um so we are putting together a new remote control. Um we want it to be something original. Um of course we're a [disfmarker] not only a electronics company but a fashion um conscious electronics company, so we want it to be trendy um and we want it to be easy to use. [vocalsound] Um we've got the functional design, conceptual design and detailed design um which basically is is the three of you um. And w uh [vocalsound] well um functional design um. Um do we have [disfmarker] um any ideas of of [disfmarker] [vocalsound] maybe d let's just throw out some ideas of what kind of remote control we want to have, and then we can go into how we're gonna design it and and how we're gonna do the detailing on it. [speaker003:] Yeah. Well uh s function of remote control is just just [disfmarker] you know, change channels is its main function. [speaker001:] So we want it to be um a TV remote or [disfmarker] I I mean do we want it to to do other things besides just be a a television remote? [speaker003:] Oh right. I suppose you c try make it a universal remote [speaker001:] 'Kay. [speaker003:] for [disfmarker] could work on all sort of electrical products in in one person's house. [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker003:] But, you know, they all sorta have the same role changing channels, volumes and then programming. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. 'Kay. [speaker003:] I think they all work on the same prin principle as well [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker003:] sorta like [disfmarker] I don't actually know. [gap] But is it just infra-red? Is that standard? [speaker001:] I I think [disfmarker] yeah, yeah, r universal remote. [speaker003:] Ye yeah. [speaker001:] Um this is my first uh go-round with creating a remote control, [speaker004:] Huh. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] so [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Ours too. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] I think we're all in the same boat here. [vocalsound] Um [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Um one thing I thought of with the remote control is you always lose 'em. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker003:] So if there's a g a way of finding it quite easily, I thought that'd be quite good quite a good feature. [speaker004:] Ch [speaker001:] So we should we should set our remote control up to where it has a uh [speaker004:] Like a tracking device? [vocalsound] [speaker001:] like a tracking device [speaker003:] Oh you can get those key [disfmarker] [speaker001:] or or like a a [disfmarker] [speaker003:] well you could whistle or make a noise [speaker001:] It makes a noise, [speaker003:] and it'd beep. [speaker001:] there's a button on the TV that you press [speaker002:] Mm, mm. [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] and [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Right. [speaker001:] 'Kay. [speaker004:] Be good. [speaker002:] So [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Generally, all remotes are sort of quite similar in their appearance. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Just long. [speaker001:] Do we want [disfmarker] so they're kinda like long and rectangular. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker001:] Do we want something crazy? [speaker003:] Black usually. [speaker001:] You know, [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] we want something new that's gonna stand out. [speaker004:] Lot more modern. [speaker003:] I think so. [speaker001:] A m a modern [disfmarker] so our remote should be [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Maybe sorta spherical or something. A ball. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Maybe like user-friendly, like a little [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] you know, where you can use both hands, like a little keyboard type thing. [speaker003:] People [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker003:] I thought maybe, because people always tend to throw a remote control about the place to one another [disfmarker] if it was in a ball, and maybe the actual controls are inside or something. [speaker001:] 'Kay. [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker001:] Um. [speaker002:] Well there are of course certain restrictions, you can't have it be any form and fulfil all functions at the same time, [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] so there are always the [disfmarker] some restrictions we have to apply here. Um however um one question is how stable is that thing supposed to be, that refers to the material, pretty much um. [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker002:] What are we gonna build that thing out of? How sturdy is it gonna be? Do we want it to last longer or rather have people whatever, have to buy one every half a year? [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Okay so [disfmarker] yeah, so we want it to be sturdy, [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] we want it to to hold up to somebody's child, you know, throwing it across the room or, as you said, people kinda throw it, so ball-shaped, uh you know, if it were ball-shaped maybe, [speaker003:] Yeah. It could be cased on the outside [speaker001:] then it [disfmarker] [speaker003:] and t everything could be inside. [speaker001:] 'Kay. Um so we want it to be modern, fun, sturdy, um [disfmarker] So our form and our function. Um we want it to be um easy to find. [vocalsound] Um [disfmarker] [vocalsound] What else [disfmarker] it [disfmarker] what else do we want it to to do? So we want it to be universal. It's something that we're supposed to sell for about twenty five Euros um and you know, goals for profits are I think somewhere around uh fifty million Euros, what they wanna make on it, so. [speaker004:] Mm. Also since we're partners of the International Remote Control Association, maybe we wanna make it something that would globally appeal. [speaker001:] 'Kay. [speaker004:] That's more on the research end, but [disfmarker] the marketing. [speaker001:] So marketing, you know, how [disfmarker] maybe uh marketing, you could s find out what is the most universally um appealing [vocalsound] remote control out there. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] And maybe as far as design goes, maybe we could have different ones for different target audiences, [speaker001:] 'Kay. [speaker004:] 'cause maybe one won't apply to all of the countries we're targeting. [speaker003:] Ye Small. [speaker002:] Right. [speaker001:] Um [disfmarker] [vocalsound] Do you guys have any ideas for what it should look like? Maybe we could draw it up on the on the board over there. Some ideas? We want it to be a b a ball, [speaker003:] [gap] I'd [disfmarker] I could draw sorta the ball idea. [speaker001:] you know, we'll draw up we'll draw up the ball and maybe th um where the buttons are located. [speaker003:] My original idea was just simply sort of a sphere, where maybe you [disfmarker] this is where it's connected together, and then when you open it out, it could fol it could be maybe flip, like a flip phone, and then when you fold it out the middle [disfmarker] Maybe a hinge that'll have to be the strongest part of it. If that [disfmarker] if we did use a hinge, or if it was just two parts, [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] and then you'd have just sorta you you you know, your buttons. Thing is inside I think, sometimes remotes have too many buttons, so maybe as simple as possible, um as few buttons inside as possible. Um, I dunno, what's the idea for. Just something [disfmarker] maybe if you ha if it had like if some kind of like light or something or lights around it. It's looking a bit like something out of Star Wars at the moment though, to be fair. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] But yeah. [speaker004:] Futuristic. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] That was that was a sorta simple idea I had [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Uh-huh. [speaker003:] and then you know you could [gap] about [disfmarker] Right, it would almost be like a ball. So that was just just an idea I had. I don't know whether anybody else has other ideas? [speaker002:] Right. One problem you'd get with this design is um [disfmarker] the ball is a nice idea because of it's stability really, [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] but of course, since it's a ball, it'll roll, so we'd have to have it flat on one side at least, down here somewhere, [speaker003:] Yeah. Maybe f yeah. [speaker002:] take away that part. That's one of the big issues. [speaker003:] Yeah, that's g that's a good idea. [speaker002:] Also also you risk the hinges here. That's that's um a problem. [speaker003:] Yeah. The idea [disfmarker] it didn't have to necessarily be f a hinge, [speaker002:] [vocalsound] That's that's [vocalsound] interesting of course, [speaker003:] that was just one idea though. [speaker002:] but that's of course a weak point, yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] How would we go about um making you know [disfmarker] getting rid of our weak points? What [disfmarker] I mean would we just have a flat spot on the bottom of the ball? [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Not to put you on the spot, [speaker002:] [vocalsound] E No no, [speaker001:] but [disfmarker] [speaker002:] uh uh [vocalsound]. [speaker001:] What did you say your title was again? [speaker002:] N n [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Uh, I'm your Industrial Designer, [speaker001:] You're the the Industrial Designer. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] so i b well, [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] the point is that [vocalsound] well maybe [disfmarker] I dunno. The shape is perhaps not the most ideal. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] As as stable as it is, there must be a compromise between um stability and design here, so. [speaker003:] Well I I suppose that things become [gap] design. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] But I mean i I was trying to think of like the design of others. I can't think of anything other than a long rectangle for remote, [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker003:] maybe small, sort of fatter ones, but there's nothing being done sort of out of left field, yeah. [speaker001:] It's not new, it's not innovative, it's [disfmarker] you know, everybody does long remote because it's easy, [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] it's it's stable um. [speaker004:] 'Kay, I'll draw something. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] So if [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] What? [vocalsound] [speaker001:] no, go ahead. [speaker004:] My idea was just to have it be kind of like a keyboard type shape, you know, like video games [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] l so. But maybe [disfmarker] I mean that would be kinda big and bulky. We could also try to do the hinge thing, so it could like flip out that way. I don't know. [vocalsound] That's my idea. [speaker003:] I think definitely doing something different [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] is a good idea. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker003:] I mean maybe design something, that's sort of like [vocalsound] suppose not everybody's everybody's hand's the same, but something that would maybe fit in the hand easier. [speaker001:] Something with a grip. [speaker004:] Mm. Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah, with a grip. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yeah. Because even [disfmarker] I suppose even with the ball [speaker003:] It still might be hard to [disfmarker] [speaker001:] it's [disfmarker] [speaker003:] it still not the ho easiest thing to hold, yeah. [speaker001:] it might not be the easiest to hold onto um. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] So perhaps the the joystick [disfmarker] the the keyboard idea might work better. [speaker003:] Like [disfmarker] yeah. [speaker001:] But then again, people like to use one hand to flip and one hand to hold their soda, [speaker004:] [vocalsound] True. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] so maybe maybe we [disfmarker] [speaker003:] It's d yeah. I think it's definitely got to be a a one-handed a one-handed job. [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker001:] I feel like I'm just shooting everything down here. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] That's fine. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Uh [vocalsound] um [disfmarker] [speaker004:] You're the boss, you're [vocalsound] allowed to. [speaker002:] Well with the one-handed design you also have the the problem of the size w 'cause you know from cell phones, they can be too small. So if the remote is too small it [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] if it's small it probably looks better, but may not be th as functional. So for that there's [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Okay, so [speaker002:] So [disfmarker] [speaker001:] unfortunately we've got about five minutes here [vocalsound] to come up with our um remote control idea and start rolling with it. Um we've talked about our experiences with remote control and um we've got a couple ideas um. Let's see here. What if we had what if we had not only um [disfmarker] say we went with the ball the ball function um, but maybe we give it sort of grips along the side s um to make it easier to hold on to. So you know um s so [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] it's easier to hold onto that way. Course that'll then remove some of our our ball. Unless this unless this part were raised, so say the cover flips over and covers that part. So the grip is [disfmarker] No, that wouldn't work either um. But if we're gonna make it flat on the bottom, then that eliminates our ball anyways. So if it were flat on the bottom and then had the sorta grips on the side here I guess, um and then [vocalsound] flat uh [disfmarker] And then we have the problem with the hinge. So if we're flat on the bottom, it's not gonna roll away, it'll stay where we want. [speaker002:] The question is also, I dunno, d do you really always want to open that thing when you have to use it? [speaker001:] Mm, that's true. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] It's probably going to lie around opened all the time anyway, so I don't know if a lid is a good idea. From stabil stability point of view uh it certainly is, but also you have to face it and take into account the more of these things break by accident, uh the more we sell. So it's [disfmarker] don't make it too stable [vocalsound] uh. [speaker001:] So we don't have it flip open. We just have a ball [disfmarker] [speaker003:] But then maybe to go back to the to th s something along those things then. [speaker002:] To the other design. [speaker001:] Okay, so then we forget the ball. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] It looks cool. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Looks cool though. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] It looks cool, [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] but it's really not [disfmarker] it's not functional um. [speaker002:] Uh [vocalsound] functional. [speaker001:] So we've got our sort of keyboard kind. What if we flipped it around here, so that it were um [disfmarker] Sorry, that doesn't look anything like what you [vocalsound] had there. Um so it's up and down, you hold it this way. Course then it's it's like the rectangular [vocalsound] again, only with a couple of jutting out points. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Right. Right. [speaker001:] But it's one-handed um. [speaker002:] Question is what makes those game pads functional? W I think that's pretty much the form for full hand. So it's a round shape underneath that makes it comfy, [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] right, makes it nice, so that's the essential part. Except for that I think we'll not [disfmarker] probably not get a get away from some longer design. [speaker001:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Right. [speaker002:] 'Cause you also have to know which way around to point this thing. [speaker001:] Yeah, [speaker002:] You know, all that dif batteries [disfmarker] [speaker001:] because it doesn't have a cord, like joysticks do. [speaker002:] right, and [disfmarker] Batteries go weak as well, so um after a while you have to point it towards the uh towards the equipment you wanna control with it, right? So, have to m show which is the front, which is the back. [speaker001:] Is it possible to have it to where it would work with a like a sensor on either side? So that either way you're pointing it it would work. [speaker002:] I suppose you could do that. O of course the more technology you stick in that, the more it'll cost, so. [speaker001:] More expensive and [disfmarker] yeah. [speaker002:] Course you can do that. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] 'Kay. Um [disfmarker] [speaker002:] I mean of course it'll be evident after a while or [disfmarker] if you look at it, it'll it'll be evident which way around to point it, since you have the the numbers and the and the [vocalsound] the buttons and stuff, [speaker001:] True. [speaker002:] but um it's rather about an instinctual thing, [speaker003:] Put it [disfmarker] [speaker002:] like you just grab it, you don't have to s look at it, you know, which way around to point it. Otherwise the design of [disfmarker] or the the point of putting two sensors on both sides um would probably work. [speaker003:] Even if you designed it [disfmarker] in some [disfmarker] in a way that you know, isn't a rectangle, but still pointed in a direction that had definite points. So if that's your thing and you got something like that instead, [speaker004:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] and there's your s you kn you know which way you're gonna pointing it. [speaker001:] 'Kay. [speaker004:] Sorry to interrupt, [speaker003:] Um [disfmarker] [speaker004:] but we have a warning to finish. [speaker001:] Are we out of time? [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] Okay, well, just to finish up, should we s go with this plan, start making some [disfmarker] Are good ideas, what are not. [speaker002:] Let's. [speaker003:] Does it say [disfmarker] what does it say for n [speaker002:] Obviously [disfmarker] [speaker003:] it says on there what we need to do for the next meeting, I think. [speaker001:] Uh. Must finish now, so. [speaker003:] T [speaker001:] And then marketing will look and see what uh what people want. [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker002:] Alright. [speaker004:] Great. [speaker001:] Okay. And Project Manager will design a better meeting for next [vocalsound] time around, [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] be a little bit more prepared. And uh alright, good meeting. [speaker004:] [vocalsound]

[speaker001:] [vocalsound] Oh. [speaker003:] Du [speaker001:] Okay. Thanks for coming to this meeting. [speaker004:] Hm. [speaker001:] S how we doing on our remote? [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] We have some [disfmarker] we have some ideas and some uh ideas for what people want. [speaker003:] Uh we yes s I've lo [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] I've done the role that I was asked to do anyway. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] I think. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Alright let's just go over the agenda real quick for this meeting. See if I can't get things uh moving along here a little bit better. Um I'll go over what we went over last time, which shouldn't take long. Then I believe each of you have a presentation. Um I've was sent a a couple more requirements for our remote, what they want. Um then we can come to a conclusion on uh what we want the remote to do, um and how it's going to do it hopefully. And uh then we'll have the closing. [vocalsound] Um which we'll have forty minutes for. Uh let's see, the last meeting we went over um [vocalsound] who was responsible for what. I'm responsible for leading the meetings, keeping the notes, uh and coming up with the final presentation. Um Corinne is our Marketing Expert. She's gonna figure out what what um the consumer wants. Um [vocalsound] Ryan is our User Interface Designer. And Manuel is the Industrial Designer. So you're gonna come up with the ideas Ryan, and you're gonna pick 'em apart. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Um we decided our remote, uh we want it to be a universal remote uh that everyone would want. Um we want to be modern, um fun, different. Uh it needs to be sturdy, um easy to find, so we gonna have that locator function. Um and we want to be different. Um and then we went over a couple of different ideas. Ball-shaped phone. The keyboard shape. Um we decided that it should probably be one-handed. Something we could use with one hand. Um and that was our last meeting. So um why don't um [disfmarker] Do each of you have a presentation? [speaker004:] Yep. [speaker001:] Okay. I'll hand it off to you and um [disfmarker] Does anyone [disfmarker] do you wanna go first? [speaker004:] Sure. [speaker001:] So we can maybe see what uh what the people want. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] What was it? Function? [speaker002:] Eight. F eight. [speaker004:] F eight? Well. [vocalsound] How do I get it [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Slide show. [speaker001:] To go to the next one? [speaker004:] Oh right right right. [speaker001:] Yeah you click on that guy. [speaker004:] That one? [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Okay. Alright. Well, this is my report, which is going to be based pretty much on a survey that I was sent. Oh gosh, I've no idea. [vocalsound] G [speaker003:] Just press the arrow keys I think. Usually goes to it. [speaker004:] Okay. Sorry [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] I actually need to see something else on my screen. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Hit F eight again. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] I think. [speaker004:] And then? Again? [speaker001:] Yeah. You want it to be on both screens, or just just yours? [speaker004:] No I want something else on mine. Is that possible? [speaker001:] Yeah but I think you have to hit escape. And then you can [disfmarker] Yeah. [speaker004:] Okay but now you don't have that. [speaker001:] Oh hit F eight again. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Sorry guys. [speaker001:] I know. I did the same thing. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] And then it should come up here shortly. 'Kay. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] So is there no way I can give you the slideshow and [speaker001:] I think [disfmarker] oh give us the slideshow and something on your screen? [speaker004:] yeah. Yeah. Oh well. [speaker001:] Mm. I'm not sure. You could maybe minimise that screen and then [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] have them both up at the same time I think. [speaker004:] It's okay. Okay. Um so first of all, the method that I used was by doing some marketing research, [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] by um doing research on some interviews that were conducted. And then some internet research. And I was sent a report that was [disfmarker] I think there were a hundred remote users that they interviewed. And so I will show you some of the results from that, which I think will be helpful. Um okay here are some of the findings. They said that the users dislike the look and feel of their current remote controls. And seventy five percent of the users find their remote controls to be ugly. Which is a fairly significant number I would say. And eighty percent of the users would be willing to spend more money if they could get a remote that would look fancy. So I think that earlier we were onto something when we were talking about having it be a modern cool look, I think that's definitely important. Um they say that current remote controls do not match well the operating behaviour of the user. Seventy five percent of users said they zap a lot. And if anyone could clarify what that means? Zap, does that just mean like changing the channel? [speaker003:] Is is it j just just [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Just jus [speaker003:] just using it yeah. [speaker004:] Okay. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] yeah. [speaker004:] Um and fifty percent of the users say that they're only using ten percent of the buttons on their remote control. And there was something else, they kept track of the frequency per hour in using certain buttons. And some of them it looks like barely need to be included at all. Of course channel selection is used the most frequently. And then teletext was the next. Volume and then power. And then audio settings and screen settings and channel settings were practically never used. So I think we could definitely eliminate or somehow combine a lot of the functions into one button. Um the biggest user frustrations, as we said fifty percent of people find that their remotes are lost somewhere, and so I think a tracking device of some sort would be a good idea. They said it take [disfmarker] thirty four percent said it takes too much time to learn how to use a new remote. And twenty six percent said that the controls are bad for RSI. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] A repetitive strain injury. [speaker004:] What is it? [speaker003:] Just repetitive strain injury. I think. That's what I guess. [speaker004:] Okay. Okay. And so bas okay. Um as far as speech recognition goes, um the younger group looks like they're all for it. From the fifteen to twenty five age group over ninety percent said they would pay more. And it kind of just went down incrementally. The groups at [disfmarker] the older they get it looks like the less willing they are to pay, so maybe we could discuss this and think [disfmarker] and decide if we think it's worth investing in this. At least if we're targeting the younger groups. And so in conclusion. Some things that I drew from this are that I think we were correct. We definitely need to focus on a new modern appearance, since so many people seem to be concerned about the ugliness of their remote control. Um a multifunctional remote could be a good thing to explore. So you only have one rather than five different remotes sitting all over your room. Uh we need to simplify the remote and reduce the number of buttons, get rid of the ones that don't seem to be serving much purpose. And then lastly I thought that maybe we could discuss the idea of speech recognition. And that's it. [speaker001:] 'Kay. Very nice. Now we actually have some ideas of what what people want, what we should focus on. Uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Wait can I look at that real quick? [gap]. [speaker004:] Oh yeah. Sorry did you guys get time to write everything that you needed? [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] 'Kay. [speaker003:] Having just listened to what Corinne just said, I'll draw on some of the things as well. [vocalsound] [gap] Some things that sort of relevant to what I wanna say. 'Kay so I'm just gonna yeah approach the technical functions design. Um [vocalsound] the method I used was to explore the uh technical functions of a remote control. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] And t s simplest approach that I came to is is to change, programme and operate an electronic device remotely. I mean that's an obvious thing to say, but it's not attached to the device that you want to control. Um I had some things sent to me. Not very much. To look at similar devices. Um defined in some them. And then the personal preferences that I will suggest. Um we discussed a universal one. Um like it's just been brought up again then. But I think a universal remote control is actually quite a difficult object to design, and po possibly within maybe the budget that we do it, um because you'd need to know all the spef specifications of a all the like electronic companies. I'm not sure have you ever come across a universal remote control yourself, but you have to [disfmarker] i they're a nightmare to use. You have to set them, reset them to everything. Um and that would only add buttons. Whereas I think the aim is to take away buttons. So I think it'd be better maybe to concentrate on maybe just a universal one for TVs. Um or maybe just one that you could we could design and then different people, manufacturers could use it to set to their specifications, if if the aim is to get something that's unique in design. Um [disfmarker] Okay here here's just two pictures of remote controls. They're just simple TV remote controls. But one is uh user-centred. That is the one on the left. And you can straight away see there's less buttons. And the other one is [gap] engineer-centred where that's more uh specified for the sort of the elaborate piece of equipment it's trying to control um [disfmarker] [gap] which appeals more to the product that we want, and on what the [gap] have said and the market research and stuff [gap] probably looking at something that should be user-centred. Fewer buttons, simpler to use, and if ten percent um is hidden away [disfmarker] if ten percent is what's used, maybe the other fifty percent, the buttons that are used very rarely like programming, they could be hidden maybe under [disfmarker] some remote controls you might have come across have maybe a little flip thi thing where they're hidden away. And the main buttons are the ones you or the ones you come across. Um and finally, um uh sort I've sort of covered that, our product I think should be user interface orientated. Um [disfmarker] Like I said to concentrate on TV remote control, a universal remote might be too complex. Um and as what it, the major findings [gap] market researchers have said, it's the image and the appearance that people di dislike. So that we should concentrate on something that would set a trend. And that's it. [speaker002:] [gap] cable there. Thank you. [speaker001:] What was your last conclusion on that one? Focus on uh the i [speaker003:] On something on the image of it. [speaker001:] the image of it. [speaker003:] Uh the f the actual design. [speaker001:] 'Kay. Good. Good. [speaker002:] Okay. Gonna talk to you about the working design of the interiors basically which is what dictates the design the both the interface basically and the outer appearance because this is all the stuff that needs to go in there. Right. So unfortunately the people who were supposed to do this little presentation for me obviously were too drunk to actually accomplish it, [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] so um [vocalsound] I'm going to do a lot of the stuff on the board. Um just [disfmarker] This is the basic basic premise of a remote control. Um the basic function is to send messages to another system. Okay so much is clear. An energy source feeds an integrated circuit, like a chip, that can compose messages. [vocalsound] Often in the form of infrared bits. This is the most mostly used. Um there's uh also some sound systems but infrared is the better or the more more used system. Um parts are cheaper as well. A user interface controls the chip and accordingly the messages. This is where my people screwed up basically. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] So I'm going to explain that on the board rather. Um what we have is different components that obviously need to go in there. We'll start with an energy source. Right. Um which is usually a battery right? [vocalsound] Since it's not feasible to add a cable to that. This energy source of course is connected to the the user interface itself [vocalsound]. Uh which can be buttons, whatever, which in fact controls a chip. Right? This is the user interface and there we have the chip. Um the way this goes normally is that this chip then controls an infrared lamp. That sends out the signal. Of course the signal differs accordingly. Um depending on what the chip tells the infrared lan lamp. And [disfmarker] Of course that's controlled, the chip itself is controlled by the user interface. The way you normally normally do it is that you add a little device such as a lamp to the whole thing as well, so that you know that it's working basically. You press something, you get a response. Which is also comparatively um important on one of those devices. Now this, what we're talking about here, or what I think should be discussed are these two components mostly. The the uh energy source for one thing can be altered. What we probably cannot alter is of course the infrared, the sending device basically, the infrared lamp. We cannot change the chip which controls the infrared lamp. Right? These two are components that we have to use, and these are dictated by the whole function of the whole thing. Um the lamp can be put onto the desi the device. It c it doesn't have to be there. This can be discussed as well. [vocalsound] The user interface. That's something we can also discuss. Um as we've heard uh speech recognition is the hype obviously in the moment. Speech recognition um interface, we don't know that. Or if we just do the usual button thing. Or we have a touch pad or something like that [disfmarker] that's something we can discuss. And of course the energy source. Batteries. Solar cells. Who knows? [vocalsound] Of course it's always a question whether these these components are in fact [vocalsound] available cheap enough, developed enough. But that's like I s I suppose rather up to marketing, and not to [speaker001:] So we could [disfmarker] the the [speaker002:] to the industrial design department. [speaker001:] the more complex we make it of course, the more expensive [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Expensive it's gonna be get uh. Yeah. [speaker001:] But people have said that they would [disfmarker] well younger generations of people have said that they would pay more for a speech recognition remote. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] So [speaker002:] Right. [speaker001:] possibly it might be worth the investment. [speaker003:] I think speech recognition was uh one of those things where um they have to be really good for them to work. 'Cause sometimes you find yourself just saying things over and o [gap] if it's on your phone. [speaker004:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] I agree. [speaker003:] And you need to sort of take into light languages and then [vocalsound] different dialects I suppose as well. [speaker001:] Well [disfmarker] I [disfmarker] myself I find, when you, h when there's something like spee speech recognition. Like uh you call on the phone and you try to change your telephone or power or something. Sometimes they have a a speech recognition on the other end, [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] and you say one for this, and you find yours, like you said, saying the same thing over and over and over. I find myself, especially if I'm in a crowd of people, looking really silly. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] So maybe if you're sitting on your couch with a bunch of people then [speaker003:] And wou I don't know if would [speaker001:] you know, you [vocalsound] [disfmarker] [speaker003:] would you want to keep saying stuff if you were watching stuff. If you were watching something would you sort of be wanting [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Volume up. Volume down. Change the channel, you know channel up, channel down? [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] I I don't know. [speaker004:] Another thing about these figures is ninety one percent of the youngest age groups said they'd do it, but probably a lot of them that's actually their parents money. Like I don't know if they would actually go out and purchase this themselves, a fifteen year old you know. [speaker003:] I think [disfmarker] As well it'd be j the gimmick factor for the younger people. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] But practically I don't think it's [gap] [disfmarker] [speaker001:] It's a, it's a gimmick factor that they like at first, and [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah. It'll wear off. [speaker004:] Gets old yeah. [speaker001:] Okay. Um [disfmarker] Let's see here. [speaker003:] Do you wanna put your cord back in? [speaker001:] Yeah I guess so. [speaker002:] Oh right. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Trade you. [speaker002:] [gap] go. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Now I was sent a couple of things to modify our uh new requirements. Um the remote's only gonna be for the television, which is good because we already decided [disfmarker] y your your research showed that uh not only is a universal remote more complicated, it's more cost, more costly. And your re uh research showed that you know most of the people don't even use it. I think uh you said fifty percent of the people only use half the or ten percent of the buttons. [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker001:] So if we remove the universal remote then that solves that problem. Um no teletext. Um [disfmarker] So we don't have to worry about that. Um but we do have to use the the company wants us to incorporate the corporate colour and our slogan, which is we put the fashion in electronics. And our corporate colours are grey and yellow. And we could probably get away with black too but [disfmarker] So those are the three um the three new requirements that that I was told we need to use. Um from all all three of your uh presentations, I think that we were on the right track a lot in our last meeting. We want something that looks good. Um we want something that's simple. We want something that you can find easily. Um [disfmarker] And the speech recognition I I guess is kind of uh give or take. It's gonna cost more. S [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] the young the younger people say that they like it. But um it's probably, I would say, probably not worth the investment at this point in time. So maybe we should just do away with speech recognition. Um [disfmarker] And that way we can focus on our form. [speaker003:] I did have have a thought about the sort of the tracking thing. Is that [disfmarker] if it came with maybe a holder or holster, whatever you wanna call it. Um that you you should put it back in. Your remote. But if you don't put it back in, you press something like a little button on that, and that just sort of sends out a beep [vocalsound] to find where it is or something. Just by infrared. That shouldn't be too complex I would've thought. [speaker001:] That'd be, that'd be good if we were going with our our ball. [speaker003:] Yeah it would be quite good. The ball could sit on a [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Or or with [disfmarker] you know I guess with any form that that would be good. [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker001:] You know that could be the charger. For [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] you know we could use rechargeable batteries in the remote. And that would be [disfmarker] or solar. Or you know [disfmarker] However, however you wanted to go about it, the holder could also be the charging unit. Um [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] With the locator button. Um and if it were the ball you'd no longer have to have a flat space on it. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Um like [speaker002:] Well you still do. [speaker001:] if we still have the how to hold on to it [speaker002:] You s you still [disfmarker] W yeah. You put it on t on the couch table. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Rolls away [speaker002:] While you're watching, [speaker001:] [vocalsound] It's gonna roll away. [speaker002:] it's gonna roll off. [speaker004:] yeah. [speaker002:] So that's not an issue really. [speaker001:] Um [disfmarker] So I guess after the meeting [vocalsound] we'll have some questionnaires. And uh and some summaries for for what's going on. Um then we'll take lunch. Then we can come back and uh work on our individual work. Um [disfmarker] I'll do the minutes. Uh let's see. It looks like you're already on your way for uh working with the components. Um chips, the what chips we need [speaker002:] [gap]. [speaker001:] and what uh you know how to power it and whatnot. User interface concept, we want it to be something simple. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Um [disfmarker] Minimal number of buttons. I guess our, I guess our main um main thing that we should focus on until then is probably deciding on a certain look, you know. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Right. That's [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Did you have time earlier to to work on that. Did you guys feel you have enough time in between our meetings to get everything done that you need to get done? [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Not really. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] I'll yeah I'll have a look, try [gap] look at the actual appearance in the next break. [speaker001:] 'Kay. [speaker003:] I th I I do still think it needs to be something that is ultimately one-handed. The ball is probably not a good idea. [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker003:] And even something that's held like that might be difficult. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] So that I think it still has to be a variation. On maybe a a rect on a rectangle but maybe not necessarily as boring, as plain as a rectangle. [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker001:] Um [disfmarker] Shall we maybe shoot for a a specific uh target group? That way we could l I mean if it were, if we were shooting for young guys then it's um a certain look to the remote. Or girls or older people? Um [disfmarker] Would that [disfmarker] you think that would help us find um a specific form? That we would would wanna pick out? [speaker003:] D I don't know if that might cope with like the trend-watching. [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker003:] I [gap] find anything more on that. [speaker004:] Yeah not yet but maybe by the next meeting we'll have some info on that. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] 'Kay. So um we know that the remote's gonna have to be [disfmarker] [vocalsound] we'll just say we've got a colour scheme for it. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Um yellow and [vocalsound] you know yellow it's nice and bright, with the buttons being grey or black. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] And our slogan pasted somewhere on it, on the the bottom [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Bottom perhaps [speaker001:] or the [speaker003:] yeah. [speaker001:] you know. Um [disfmarker] Maybe we could sketch a [disfmarker] so basically all of our remotes all of our typical remotes now are just kind of a rectangular sort. You know. Um maybe we could flare it or something. You know. So it's more [disfmarker] of course this will look like a bone then. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [gap] go ahead and erase this. Um [disfmarker] Hope everyone memorised that uh [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] You [disfmarker] I mean it might be to look at sort of the the shape and trend of like things like mobile phones, and the shapes that the they've been going. [speaker001:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker003:] They've gone from big brick block things, which is [gap] a remote control is, to sort of slinky small things. [speaker001:] Yeah everybody's got a mobile phone right? Except for me now. [vocalsound] Uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] But they are all, [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] you know, mobile phones um they've kind of taken a turn to where they're really small. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Um which may defeat our purpose for being able to locate our remote all the time. [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker002:] Right. [speaker001:] But then again you don't want you know like the first mobile phone that was this big [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] and you had a handbag to carry it around in. Um [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] So we've got basically what remotes look like now is kind of what we're what we're stuck with. Um [disfmarker] [vocalsound] Maybe we could go with a square or something. Um [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Hm. [speaker001:] Um you know with minimal number of buttons. I guess you've got you know one through nine. For typing in your channels. Uh you've got volume, up and down. Channel up and down. [speaker004:] Power. [speaker001:] Power. Usually at the top. Um a mute. [speaker002:] That's the classical design. [speaker001:] That's that's pretty much all you need I think. Um [disfmarker] A menu button, maybe. [speaker002:] Right. [speaker001:] So you know. If you, if we want the remote to do other things like um [disfmarker] or I guess the TV to be able to change the tint and the colour and you know all those kind of things that are built into TVs, we just have that under one standard menu button where you go in, press the menu button, scroll up and down to select it. [speaker004:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Um [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Talking of which maybe a scrolling function is not not too bad. [speaker001:] 'Kay so [disfmarker] [speaker002:] It's [disfmarker] Talk about maybe [disfmarker] [vocalsound] f [speaker001:] Um [disfmarker] [speaker002:] look at that from the side, there maybe. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Which is technically the easiest option. Would probably be like a scrolling, little scrolling wheel like this. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So. [speaker001:] Like a wheel on your mouse. [speaker002:] Yeah, sort of like that. [speaker001:] Sort of. [speaker002:] You can even if we're coming from mice, we can even add a click function, where you, in order to verify the information you just press it down. Right. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] 'S a good idea. [speaker002:] Also when it comes to the ergonomics of the whole thing, if you wanna make it square for the looks of it, then maybe to make it more comfortable to hold the whole thing, you add a little bulge down here. Just which maybe from an engineering point this could be holding the the batteries and so on. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] I know. You know what I'm getting at here, [speaker001:] Look g yeah. [speaker002:] fel look at it from the side. It's [gap] like that. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Looks good. [speaker002:] Right. Uh [disfmarker] Then you hold it in your hand like this. And maybe you bring the buttons nearer to the [disfmarker] or the imp more important buttons nearer to the to the side. [speaker003:] Yes [vocalsound] [speaker001:] To the thumb. [speaker003:] To the thumb [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Right. Mm. [speaker003:] yeah. Maybe the buttons could like uh decrease in s the bigger ones you know they could actually be bigger in size than the ones that are less important, the smaller here. [speaker002:] Right. You can also have it, maybe, talking about mobile phones again, sliding open. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] With the lesser used functions on this part, [speaker003:] Behind. [speaker002:] and then it slides into that part. And out. [speaker003:] Definitely. [gap] just like o on a sort of side view. Something that you know it would sort of fit in the hand better. So you know you just sort of have your hand [speaker002:] Mm well I was just thinking, this this of course causes [speaker003:] Yeah. Right on the [disfmarker] and your thumb would be up here type thing. [speaker002:] causes a problem um for left or right-handed people actually. So. [speaker003:] Yeah that's also true. [gap] instantly sort of always going for the right-handed person. [speaker002:] Right. [speaker003:] But I mean [gap] the older so [speaker001:] Yeah [vocalsound] is everyone [disfmarker] who in here's right-handed, left-handed? [speaker004:] Right. [speaker001:] You guys all right-handed? [speaker002:] Right. [speaker003:] Right-handed, yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. So I'm left-handed but I, so I can say that most things are designed for right-handed people. [speaker004:] Uh-huh. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] That's right. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Like the written language. [vocalsound] Or English. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Maybe you could buy like a special left-handed version of the remote. [vocalsound] Special order. [speaker001:] Maybe. Ow. I would say I mean it should be probably designed for a right-handed p person. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Um but that's that's good. That's [disfmarker] w I think we've got a kind of a good plan there. Um [disfmarker] At least for what buttons we're gonna use. Um [disfmarker] So we've got uh [disfmarker] I like the scroll, the scroll action and the [disfmarker] [gap]. [speaker003:] I mean I'm just just thinking maybe if it was um circular um with the sort of [disfmarker] that sort of [vocalsound] [disfmarker] the sort of early idea we had, with the way that was more like that, whereas this is just a one-handed thing that you sort of almost wrap round the thumb. So you'd have your, you'd put your hand into there with the thumb there. And then your thumb would do [disfmarker] you'd have all the buttons sort of round here. And that I think could work. On any hand. If you just had it like wrapped round there. Left or right. [speaker001:] Yeah. Kinda like holding a [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker002:] Right. [vocalsound] That minimises it size-wise as well. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Minimise its size. It could be you know really quite small. [speaker002:] Mm. Then there's maybe another point of making it a two-in-one kind of thing. If we have a smaller a smaller device that actually fits into the big one. You give it the full functions in here, and just a couple of functions in there. Like your zap zapping device is just u channels up-down, uh volume, and on-off. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Hmm. [speaker003:] Zapping functions. [speaker002:] That's it. [speaker004:] Could be good. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Maybe. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] So two remotes in one. But then would be easier to lose one or the other. [speaker002:] That's right. Means the big one has to be sufficiently big. And perhaps heavy, so you can't move it around. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah, yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] It actually is your coffee table. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Make it a piece of furniture. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [gap] [vocalsound] yes. Yes, there you go. Or a statue or something. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Okay. Well we need to finish up here. Um [disfmarker] So for the next [disfmarker] So for the next um [disfmarker] before the next meeting w uh sh shall we work on [disfmarker] you're watching trends [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] to see what what kind of new information we've got going on. Um [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yep. [speaker001:] Manuel you're going to work on the components for for what we're gonna use. [speaker002:] Right. [speaker001:] Let's go with our our uh rounded kind of fit in your hand [disfmarker] let's explore uh the the uh possibility of having the two-piece. So one for the the quick zapping um and possibly one you know with just that rounded part that fits into your hand. Um [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Alright. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] And Ryan you work on um how how well they'll work with the us with the user. So both of those concepts. [speaker003:] How well it'll work yeah. [speaker001:] And uh okay I think we made some good progress here. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Alright. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] see you in [disfmarker] I dunno. I gu I guess we'll take lunch in about uh half an hour. [vocalsound] Or I guess we'll be taking lunch shortly [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] and then then in about half an hour after that we'll probably have another meeting. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Alright. [speaker001:] Okay.

[speaker001:] [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] So we are here for the concept design meeting. So, we will first start by summarizing the mm [vocalsound] the previous meeting and the decision we've taken. Uh I will take notes during this meeting so uh that you can uh look at my uh folder to see the summary of this meeting afterwards. So each of you will uh show us the various investigation they've done during uh previous uh hours. We'll then t take decision in concert and then uh uh we will uh define the nest [disfmarker] next task, to have [disfmarker] to be done before the next meeting. So, last time we decided to have a simple interface. We also decided to have a wheel to change channel [disfmarker] previous channel button. Channel digit uh buttons should be uh protected by plastic cover or something for the remote control to look very simple. We have also button for volume, and to switch on off the TV. We have also uh the lightening feature for the remote control to be easy to find, and for fast development and low cost we have decided to have no LCD no voice features. So now uh we will have three presentations. So the conceptual specification by Industrial Designer, the specification of the UI by [disfmarker] or UI [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Abdul al-Hasred is my name. [speaker001:] okay. [vocalsound] And uh the last point is uh trend watching by Market Expert. So maybe we can start with uh industrial design. So this is the presentation. [speaker002:] Uh, ID you want? [speaker001:] Maybe I can switch slide uh on your request. [speaker002:] Yeah. I only v have three slides, so. I just look at the mm [disfmarker] um just this. On some web pages to find some documentation [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] and I think a remote control is, as I s mentioned previously, you just have a a very simple chip and the mm the user interface is just done usually by push button and in our case we are using a um a wheel control. So uh uh I was looking basically for that chip, which is uh very very standard, and uh I just looked for the wheel sensor and the standard push button. And um [vocalsound] yeah we can change directly. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] In fact I have the number of that element which is very standard for remote control. The push button are usually extremely cheap, but I just have one problem and this is related with the wheel sensor, which seems to be quite expensive. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] And I think we if we could just talk about that if we really need a wheel sensor or if we can not [disfmarker] if if we could combine something with the push button. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] Uh a wheel sensor is fifty time the price of a a a push button. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] But is it a significant price on the whole remote control? [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker001:] Because we can afford up to twelve Euros for the price of the remote control. [speaker002:] Yeah. Yeah I I th [vocalsound] [speaker001:] So will will will this with uh including all possible things, so buttons, wheel and the chip, be uh lower than twelve Euros to produce? [speaker002:] But I don't think that uh we should [disfmarker] We should talk about uh the design of the box also which needs some money. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Okay [speaker003:] Also have to say [disfmarker] [speaker002:] But [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Did you receive the email about the voice recognition? [speaker002:] Um that's all [vocalsound] [speaker003:] No? [speaker002:] yeah. [speaker001:] You received something [disfmarker] [speaker002:] I haven't chec [speaker003:] Yeah. You we uh an email from the manufacturing division that they have basically a voice recognition chip already developed. [speaker001:] Hmm. [speaker003:] Says [disfmarker] Yeah. It says that ri right now they just use it to uh to record uh answers to particular questions. But I guess it could be [disfmarker] [speaker001:] And could it be adapted? [speaker003:] I guess it's possible. I mean instead of recording the answers you can just uh record uh something simpler like a command. [speaker001:] Okay and there can uh recognize some commands and stuff? [speaker003:] Yeah you reco recognize commands and you can record new commands and stuff, so if they already have it as uh as a chip [speaker001:] Okay. Yeah. [speaker003:] then we we could use it. [speaker001:] Okay maybe we can just uh listen to this presentation and then take decision later on [disfmarker] according to those news. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. Yeah but I think it's yeah [disfmarker] Sorry, I haven't written my personal references. Um [vocalsound] the I I just want to mention the the problem of the the r wheels sensor which is much more expensive than any push button, [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] and if we could reduce that. We we have already some good things uh with um um with the backlight of the push button. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. I have a question about that actually [vocalsound]. Um, what is the purpose of the light? [speaker002:] Just to to make something which is uh slightly more design that uh a squarey box with a rubber [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Is [disfmarker] [speaker001:] You can easily find the button in the dark or so? [speaker003:] But [disfmarker] But in th in the dark uh [disfmarker] Yeah but is going to be always turned on, the light? [speaker001:] It will be turned on when the when the user move the remote control I think, no? [speaker003:] But if you move it then you have it, you don't need to find it. [speaker001:] Hmm. [speaker003:] You can see the buttons better, of course. [speaker001:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. True. [speaker002:] Yeah. Actually. [speaker003:] But if you move it then you have to have some sensor to [disfmarker] when you move it to detect your movement. [speaker002:] As soon as you thought to move the the remote control you have the light. [speaker003:] Yeah, but you need another sensor for that, right? [speaker002:] Yeah. Again. [speaker003:] Yeah [vocalsound] no it's too expensive. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] I don't think that this is really expensive, but at the end this is plenty of unexpen eh very cheap devices but uh the bill starts to be [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Okay. Mm. Extra. Yeah, okay. Mm. Yeah, but I expected also the wheel would be cheap but you tell me that it is very expensive so, [speaker002:] [vocalsound] First of all I was thinking to have a a continuous light [speaker003:] yeah. [speaker002:] and you w when t you you you you press the on button you have the light on your remote control, when you want to turn off your device [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Mm. Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] But it can be uh battery consuming, no? To have the light always on? [speaker002:] Yeah, a little bit. A little bit. [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker001:] Well we will discuss that after maybe [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Okay [speaker001:] the other presentations. [speaker003:] So uh my one, it uh should be in the shared folder. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] So. It was last time I saw it. [speaker001:] And it is. [speaker003:] Okay. So, [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] just move to the next slide. [vocalsound] So basically [vocalsound] want very simple, right? That's the major idea, as simple as possible. [speaker001:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker003:] So I just look at some current designs uh on the web, of usually more complicated remote controls. And let's look at two of them because uh th even though they have many buttons they look quite simple. And in our case we just uh reject the buttons what we don't need and it become even simpler. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Um. [vocalsound] So. [speaker001:] And also does it uh fit well in hand? Because it was uh th your wrist problem with the usage. [speaker003:] Yeah. Well this these uh these remotes are quite big, so go to the next page, so. We have all these buttons as you can see, but most of them, we just need the ones in the middle. [speaker001:] Yeah [vocalsound]. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] So, from the bottom or whatever is there, uh the uh the numbers and then the top, uh until the ten also, this middle part, [speaker001:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker003:] and on the left one is exactly the same. So it's basically more or less how we would like it, with a big volume control, big channel control, and mute and power, yeah? [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] These are the basic thing. [speaker001:] So it's only the central part. [speaker003:] So basically, w software we will build will look more or less the same as these two. [speaker001:] Yeah. With a maybe a more ergonomic design on on the bottom part. [speaker003:] Yeah, if you have, for example [vocalsound] [disfmarker] I think that the volume and the buttons that are there on the top are not very easy to reach with your thumb. It could be on the right side, for example. [speaker001:] Yeah. Okay. [speaker003:] Yeah. Because we don't have these input buttons and this other stuff that they have. And I think that the plastic cover is not very good uh idea because [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] you open it, it can break, you ca you can do various things. Uh you just need to put the channel numbers somewhere a bit out of the way. [speaker001:] Okay. S Okay. [speaker003:] So that they're separate a bit, [speaker001:] Will be down or [disfmarker] [speaker003:] yeah. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] Uh and it's easy to press the other [disfmarker] the big buttons, but uh, it's not that difficult to press the the channel buttons either. Mm. Yeah, I think that if you put the cover it will be even more difficult for the user. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] Alright, you won't [disfmarker] yeah. Usually what [disfmarker] I have noticed that people put the plastic cover on things that you normally don't mess with, like buttons for t uh tuning the channels and stuff like that. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] Yeah. That you want to protect a bit. And I think it's uh it's reasonable. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] So, I don't think [disfmarker] Yeah, this is just the the wheel. We could use the [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker003:] some wheels can be pushed down, could use the push down of the wheel for the record if we want. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] Uh so we could just basically use one just wheel and uh user could use just the wheel to do everything with the channels in that case. [speaker001:] Yeah. Maybe the wheel will be a [vocalsound] good advantage over our competitors. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Because otherwise it's pretty standard apart the fact that it's very simple. So maybe it's worse to uh to have more expense on that's that aspect. [speaker002:] To s Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] Yeah, I guess the market researcher will tell us all about that. [speaker001:] Okay. So we can move to the [disfmarker] Is there any question? For designer of user interface? [vocalsound] or we can move to the next part, maybe, and discuss afterwards? Okay. [speaker004:] Okay, I can go? Can I? [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] So now the recent investigation we we have done fo of the remote control um. So, the most important aspect for remote controls is to be fancy look and feel and not current functional look and feel. And um the second aspect is uh that the remote control should be uh technological innovative. [vocalsound] And the third most important aspect is to to [disfmarker] is that the co remote control should be easy to use. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] So, are things we are we have uh speak about before. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. And um [disfmarker] so you you can go [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] after. And there is a fashion watchers in Paris and Milan that have detected the following trends, uh fruits and vegetables will be the most important theme for clothes, shoes, and furnitures. [vocalsound] So, maybe if our [vocalsound] remote control have to be a fruit form or vegetable form [vocalsound] something like that, or [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] I support an apple. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] And the mm the material is expected to be spongy. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Uh I don't know which material [vocalsound] can be spongy, [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] and if you [disfmarker] [speaker001:] This is good also for [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Well, wou wou I think we can certainly just put the electronics in a spongy thing, it it would work, right? [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] I think it is good also f to have a spongy material, yeah. [speaker003:] You can throw it to the television. [speaker001:] Yeah, because it's robust. [speaker004:] Okay [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yeah. Me too. [speaker004:] It's robust, yeah. [speaker003:] Hey that's a cool one. We could say that if you throw it, you have a sensor, and you throw it and hits the television and turns it off. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] When it d uh takes a shock. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Not good. [speaker001:] Yeah uh sorry? [speaker002:] Ah it's okay. I know that they do that for alarm clock also. [speaker004:] An and and uh this uh you can [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] yeah you can say that. You ca uh you can go uh before [speaker001:] No. Yeah. Before? [speaker004:] before, yes And you know here the more iz important aspect is the fancy look and feel, after is uh technological innovative, and after the easy to use. [speaker001:] Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's innovative to use the mm the wheel because I think no one else has. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah that's why [disfmarker] Yeah [speaker001:] Has it? [speaker004:] that's why I think we have to keep that if it's possible. [speaker001:] Yeah. I think it's [disfmarker] it makes it both easy and both innos innovative. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] Innovative. Mm. [speaker001:] So I think it's a good aspect and it should be kept. [speaker003:] How do we make it look cool is the question. [speaker001:] Cool, fancy? [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] We have to make it l look like a fruit or vegetable. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Maybe uh um [vocalsound] a colour that remember some fruit uh, things like that. [speaker002:] What about um [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Mm. Oh, colour, yeah. [speaker003:] Well the obvious thing is a banana, I guess. [speaker004:] Oh [disfmarker] i i [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Maybe yeah. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] I thought about a a pear, for example. You know the pear, is like that and it's it's easy to to have in in hand [speaker001:] Yeah, and it's ergonomic as well. [speaker004:] and uh [disfmarker] Yeah. [speaker001:] A pear. [speaker003:] The banana is also ergonomic. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah. Maybe pear yeah or something like that. [speaker004:] Or a fruit like that. I dunno. [speaker001:] Yeah. We can discuss that uh. D D Is is there anything you want to add? [speaker003:] Is there any fruit that is spongy? [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] I don't think so. I think we we can have like yeah a pear is good, fit well, or banana as you told. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] And for maybe look and feel, what about a a piece of ice, [speaker001:] Something like that. [speaker002:] with blue LED inside? [speaker001:] But that's not in the trend. [vocalsound]. [speaker003:] You can make it um [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] The trend is spongy, and vegetable fruits. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] It's not hard, the metal. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] I think p spongy is good because it it will be robust as well. [speaker003:] Plastic. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yep. [speaker001:] So, I think we can keep the wheel because it's uh easy, it's innovative, even if the cost is a bit higher, [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] and we also have to find a, so, a fruit like pear or banana wit uh any others idea you have. What kind of fr fruit would you like to to control your TV with? [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker001:] Odi [speaker002:] Banana I think, it's a nice idea. [speaker001:] Banana is also yellow so you you can't lost your remote control then. [speaker002:] Because [disfmarker] But [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] You y you don't use the banana when the banana is curving like that, [speaker003:] Two of the button, yeah. [speaker002:] but when the banana is curving like that, with the wheel on the top and to control, [speaker003:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker002:] and here you have a a push button to [disfmarker] [speaker004:] But you don't have [disfmarker] [speaker001:] I think it's a good idea, yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah so you can just have uh just have this curve, yeah, and you move uh your hand here to press the buttons and then you move uh on the other side. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] So you can have it on on two sides [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] and it'll be cool, no? [speaker001:] Yeah. I think it's a good design and it's innovative as well then. Maybe we can keep the banana. And it will be very easy to find. [speaker003:] You can put also vibrator inside. [speaker002:] And everybody knows what is a banana. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker002:] Basically. If you if you start with uh fancy fruits and fra s and tha [speaker003:] Ah-ha. You can also take into account the fact that the banana fits with the colour scheme of our company. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Oh, yeah [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah it's really uh really a good point. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] I hope the students of management die, [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] but anyway. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Now who are recording this meeting? [speaker001:] I think it [disfmarker] So [disfmarker] One second. So we have to take some decision on this aspect. So, uh so for [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] sorry, for uh component, so [disfmarker] [speaker002:] So [disfmarker] [speaker001:] we have to think about those aspects, sorry. [speaker002:] So we will just use a a standard battery? [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] And uh the chip we [disfmarker] chip imprint we know exactly which one we are going to use. Uh what do you mean by case? [speaker001:] I think it's the box that should be spongy, banana's shape. [speaker002:] Yeah. Uh I mean for me if we use a a spongy banana case, doesn't matter. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] I just want to have so something to prin to to fix my my components onto that box, and that's it. [speaker003:] The only th Yeah. Y Yeah that can be in inside th in the structure. [speaker002:] Yeah yeah. Yeah. [speaker003:] But uh the thing is that the buttons and the wheel have to be [disfmarker] I mean if it's spongy then the buttons and the wheel have to [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Spongy also. [speaker003:] I mean if it's spongy then it's going to move, right? So, it's going to be bend a lot. So if we try to push the buttons, it [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Oh no I think it's possible. [speaker001:] But [disfmarker] [speaker003:] You think it's possible? [speaker001:] No the button would be [disfmarker] In fact it it should be something odd shaped, with a spongy cover. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker002:] Yeah This is uh like the [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Okay odd shape with spongy [disfmarker] cover. And standard battery okay, a chip imprint, there's no specific problem. So we agree to put the wheel [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [vocalsound] Wheel on the top. Button, where do we want some buttons? [speaker003:] Well, usually hold [disfmarker] [vocalsound] 'Kay, we want it to be good also for the left-hand users, right? [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Uh [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] So it have to [disfmarker] it has to be symmetrical. [speaker003:] Yeah but okay. Sa let's say that th o [vocalsound] It has to be [disfmarker] basically you can only take two sides, one on ths this side where is the thumb and the other side where there is uh yeah also the thumb. [speaker002:] Yep. Yep. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Basically. Or you could use use this one, but I don't know if it's very comfortable, to use this one for the wheel. [speaker001:] Yeah maybe the thumb is more comfortable. [speaker003:] This for the wheel and then this for the buttons? [speaker001:] Yeah I think it's okay for both right and left. Mm. [speaker003:] Should have the two sides. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] So if [gap] the left, we have [disfmarker] the op [speaker001:] I think you can turn it this way also. You can do both with both hands. [speaker003:] Wheel [disfmarker] Wheel buttons. Yeah, the problem is if you have buttons and wheel then when you turn it around, the buttons are on the other side. [speaker001:] I think it's okay. [speaker003:] So you cannot see them. [speaker001:] Well, you you will get used to it. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] And moreover, th the button ar are lighted so you you immediately identify the right side, because you have light on buttons. [speaker003:] So the buttons have to be here and the wheel has to be [disfmarker] Y Yeah I know, but uh if you hold with your left hand, and the wheel is here, and the buttons are here, then when you turn it around the buttons will be on the other side. [speaker001:] Yeah. No you you [disfmarker] I think you will use it only on the right or left hand, whether you are righty or lefty. I think for lefty it's okay. I can do this movement, and for righty as well. I think this doesn't change that much. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker001:] Yeah? [speaker003:] Okay. Maybe. Yeah. [speaker001:] So, for interface we said also that we have uh this banana shape with button on the s on the side. And [disfmarker] and uh a wheel on the top. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] So the colour is yellow. I think it's uh [disfmarker] we defined everything according to what we should [disfmarker] what the decision we should take, yeah. So maybe we can um we can uh work on those aspects uh until next meeting. So have the final uh look and feel design according to the decision. And have the the user interface design and uh then evaluate the prodyuc [disfmarker] the product. That is to say, uh check if it fit the the requirement uh given by the users, but according to uh your presentation it seems to be okay. It seems to be fancy, innovative, and easy to use. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] So [disfmarker] so [disfmarker] to prepare the prototype I would suggest that the Industrial Designer and the User Interface Designer uh work together. That would uh [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] be better, I think. And uh [disfmarker] And so uh [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] you will receive further instruction by emails, as usual. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] So [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yes master. [speaker001:] do you need to add anything? [speaker003:] No. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] You feel okay? [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] You feel uh free to express what you want to say? [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] You don't feel too constrained? [vocalsound] You don't feel free to answer this? [speaker003:] No. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Maybe you can make [gap] uh [vocalsound] uh mm [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Okay, so [disfmarker] [speaker003:] okay. [speaker002:] Thank you. [speaker001:] See you.

[speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Hmm. [speaker001:] Okay. Good morning everybody. Um I'm glad you could all come. I'm really excited to start this team. Um I'm just gonna have a little PowerPoint presentation for us, for our kick-off meeting. My name is Rose Lindgren. I I'll be the Project Manager. Um our agenda today is we are gonna do a little opening and then I'm gonna talk a little bit about the project, then we'll move into acquaintance such as getting to know each other a little bit, including a tool training exercise. And then we'll move into the project plan, do a little discussion and close, since we only have twenty five minutes. First of all our project aim. Um we are creating a new remote control which we have three goals about, it needs to be original, trendy and user-friendly. I'm hoping that we can all work together to achieve all three of those. Um so we're gonna divide us up into three [vocalsound] compa three parts. First the functional design which will be uh first we'll do individual work, come into a meeting, the conceptional design, individual work and a meeting, and then the detailed design, individual work and a meeting. So that we'll each be doing our own ideas and then coming together and um collaborating. Okay, we're gonna get to know each other a little bit. So um, what we're gonna do is start off with um let's start off with Amina. Um Alima, [speaker002:] Alima. [speaker001:] sorry [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Alima. Um we're gonna do a little tool training, so we are gonna work with that whiteboard behind you. Um introduce yourself, um say one thing about yourself and then draw your favourite animal and tell us about it. [speaker002:] Okay. Um I don't know which one of these I have to bring with me. [speaker001:] Probably both. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Right, so, I'm supposed to draw my favourite animal. I have no drawing skills whatsoever. But uh let's see, introduce myself. My name is Alima Bucciantini. Um I'm from the state of Maine in the US. I'm doing nationalism studies, blah, blah, blah, and I have no artistic talents. [speaker001:] How do you spell your name? [speaker002:] A L I M A. [speaker001:] Thanks. [speaker002:] Oh, and I guess I'm the Industrial Designer on this project. So let's see if I can get [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] um here. I will draw a little turtle for you all. Not necessarily 'cause it's my absolute favourite animal, but just that I think they're drawable. And you have the pretty little shell going on. Some little eyes. Happy. There you go. That's a turtle. [speaker004:] Yes. [speaker001:] So what are your favourite characteristics? [speaker002:] Um. I I like the whole having a shell thing. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker002:] It's quite cool carry your home around where you go, um quite decorative little animals, they can swim, they can, they're very adaptable, they carry everything they need with them, um and they're easy to draw. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Excellent. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Shall we just go around the table? [speaker003:] Uh Okay. Well, my name is Iain uh [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker003:] and I'm the User Interface Designer for the project. Um. And I'll try and draw my favourite animal. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] No, [speaker003:] I'll [disfmarker] I should leave that one on there shouldn't I [vocalsound] [speaker002:] you can erase the turtle, [speaker003:] before I callously rub it off. [speaker002:] it's alright. [speaker001:] Might be nice to have them all up there at same time. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Um I'm not gonna draw it quite to scale um. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Is that at least identifiable? [speaker002:] Snake. [speaker004:] Well. [speaker003:] It's a whale [vocalsound], yes. [speaker001:] Em [speaker002:] Well, snake? [vocalsound] It's w [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Thanks. [speaker004:] Oh my god, it's better than what I'm gonna be able to do. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Um and, yeah, the reason I like whales is 'cause uh they're [disfmarker] well, first of all they're quite intelligent um and also they're they're kind of mysterious, like we don't really know much about them or or understand how they work, how they form groups. And I just find them interesting animals. [speaker004:] Take my contraptions with me. Alright, I'm Jessy. I'm from around DC ish sort of in the US. And we're gonna keep the deep sea sort of theme going on, [gap] animal. Don't really know how to draw this. Just where can I [disfmarker] Mm. Mm. Maybe if I do the water, [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] but how? Sort of give an idea. [vocalsound] I have no idea how one would explain this. Mm maybe with some whiskers. Briefly, it's supposed to be a seal. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] You can imagine it in the water. I like them, because they are like playful and silly sort of have a good time. Not gonna try and pretend like I can get any better than that. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Mm 'kay. Mm 'kay? I'm Rose and I'm Project Manager, [vocalsound] from California. Um. Hmm. [vocalsound] S [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Oh, [speaker004:] It's definitely significantly harder once you are doing it. [speaker002:] a cat. Yeah. [speaker001:] Um it's actually a coyote. Let's see. Let's see, [speaker002:] Right. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] That's impressive. [speaker001:] let's give it a little bit of a snout, I don't know, some teeth. [speaker002:] That's [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] That's pretty impressive. [speaker003:] Cool. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Oh dear. [vocalsound] Yes. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] I live um I live right across the street from an open space in California. We have coyotes howl all the time. So I really enjoy their their singing, you they're really beautiful animals. Mm. [vocalsound] Okay um, moving on to slightly more serious stuff. We're gonna talk about project finances. Um we have a couple [vocalsound] we'd like to sell it for about twenty five Euro with the profit aim of um fifteen million Euro um from our sales and because this is such [disfmarker] this is for television it's a [disfmarker] we have a market range of Internet, like it's an international market range, we don't have to worry about specifics. Um in order to make a profit of this magnitude, we need to um be able to produce each one at a maximum of twelve fifty Euro. So we're selling it for twice what we'd like to produce it for. Okay um, just to generate a little bit of discussion about the project um, I could [disfmarker] I'd like to hear about your experiences using ro remote controls, um your first ideas about um creating a new r remote control, what would be the best um like you [disfmarker] what are the features that you really like what are the features that you don't like, etcetera, so [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Um I hate when there's like four different buttons and you have to press to actually turn on the TV like you have to do one for the power of the TV and then like another one to get the actual screen on and something else to get it all going, I don't know. Now they keep combining all different remotes together, and I don't know if I necessarily like that 'cause I feel like you end up with multimedia overload. I just wanna watch the TV [vocalsound] um. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Hmm. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Always gets lost. Some sort of like device to help you find it. [speaker003:] I've used, I've used remote controls, for things like TV and the CD player and video recorder and I I guess they're they're pretty neat neat little tools uh. You don't have to get up and walk across the room to change a channel. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker003:] So especially if you're someone really lazy like me they they're pretty nice. Um. I find them [disfmarker] they can be a bit annoying, especially, like you know if I'm watching TV I have have to have three separate remote controls of [disfmarker] in front of me, you know, one for the TV, one for the digital box, one for m the video recorder as well. Um. And also they tend to they tend to be a bit confusing, they've got too many buttons on them uh too too sort of too sort of complicated when all I really wanna do is switch on and off, change the channel, change the volume. [speaker002:] Yeah um. I agree with having too many remotes around. My dad has a whole drawer at home of remotes for various things, and I don't know how to work half of them um. What's important for me, I guess, is that it's easy to use and that there's not too many buttons, they are not too small, you know you know you need to n to know what you're doing. And one thing I particularly like is if you are not um sort of moving it around to get it to work with the infra-red. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Um, I think there is a way around that, but I know in my residence right now the the television you sort of have to walk all around the room to get it to turn on, [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] so i it's just simpler just to just turn around the TV itself, and I think that's [disfmarker] if we're gonna make a remote control, it should actually work for what it's doing. So [disfmarker] [speaker004:] What about like batteries and things like that, like are there some remotes that don don't require like batteries or do all remotes require batteries? [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Um I would imagine all of them, [speaker002:] I know. [speaker001:] but we could [disfmarker] but it's possible we could use like a lithium battery um that would last a lot longer than like double As. [speaker002:] Yeah, something that doesn't [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Um like tho those are the batteries that are used in a lot of um MP three players now and that kind of thing. Um. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] Um. Okay, it seems we have a little bit of a conflict over um to uh combining all the remotes cont together versus having f five different remotes. So um like you said you don't like having all the buttons on one on one remote, and yet you don't wanna have five remotes. So how do we work with that? [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker002:] Could we get something that just has [disfmarker] No doesn't have all the buttons that you need to program the video recorder or program s other things that I'm not very coherent about, but that just has your major buttons for [disfmarker] that work for everything, you know volume control, on, off, [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] channel changing. [speaker004:] And maybe that spatially divides it, so it's like if you're looki if you're trying to get the TV on that's, you know, like the top thing on the remote, I dunno if d be vertical or horizontal in terms of how we're gonna make it, but if it's like all the TV stuff was here, [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] then all the VCR stuff was here, all the [disfmarker] whatever else we have programmed into it it's all just in its separate place and not like all the on buttons together, [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker002:] N that way [disfmarker] Yeah. [speaker004:] 'cause then you like, I don't even know what I'm turning on. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah, [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker002:] and if um if you'd save the more complicated functions maybe for separate remotes that you wouldn't need to use every day. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Okay, so maybe have like one remote that has the main functions on, off, channel changing, volume, and another rote remote with all the special things. [speaker002:] Um. [speaker001:] Because that is one thing that um remotes tend to have buttons that the TVs no longer have as well. [speaker002:] Yeah. Mm. [speaker001:] So like you have to have them somewhere, [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] 'cause you're gonna m need those special functions occasionally. [speaker002:] Right. [speaker001:] Um but not necessarily on the m the normal remote. [speaker003:] Can I ask, are we designing a remote control for a television only [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Good question. [speaker003:] um, and if if this device is just to be used for the television would we even technically be possible to include video recorder functions on it? [speaker001:] [vocalsound] I don't know that yet. [speaker003:] Um or should we just stick to just stick to having television television related buttons on it? [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] It's a good question. Um. [vocalsound] I'll look into that. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm hmm. [speaker001:] If I can. [speaker004:] I think it's just TV, [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] I mean, if it [disfmarker] if we're taking it just [gap] new product a new television remote control that's not like [vocalsound] doesn't say. [speaker002:] Mm yeah. [speaker004:] You know, things might be more advanced than that. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] So we should [disfmarker] maybe we should assume that i t it's just a television that we're wanting to control. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Well, I mean I suppose it would be nice to have [vocalsound] playing and record and stop buttons on it for the video recorder as well I I don't know if that works technologically or not. [speaker002:] Yes. I guess we have to define what what we're aiming for. If it's just a television then that [disfmarker] it's a bit simpler, 'cause there's less buttons that would even need to be on it. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] It's an idea with the buttons being really [gap]. [speaker002:] Large. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] If you have older people or people like me that aren't very co-ordinated hand-eye, it's really quite important that you are not pressing a small like teeny mobiles phone size buttons, if we can help it. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Okay. 'Kay sounds like we've had a good little discussion for our first ideas. Mind if we move on? Ps [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] 'Kay. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] mm okay. Um now our next meeting starts in thirty minutes. I believe we've actually been only working on this this one for about twenty, so we can continue discussing more new ideas if you'd like um, [speaker002:] Hmm. [speaker001:] but this is just a breakdown of what we'll be doing individually. Um the industrial design, Alima will be doing um the working design. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Um the User Interface Designer, that's for [gap]. Technical functions, I guess like keeping in mind the buttons thing, the size of the buttons. Um user requirements um, so you'll be hearing about different trends, uh about different things that people need, um I guess kind of the same uh discussion that we've been having, we'll get from the actual consum s consumers. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Mm 'kay um. And you will get specific instructions sent by your personal coach. I realised in this past one we we didn't have much, we just wanted to get a little brain-storming done. Um so very exited to see all your animals and how [disfmarker] what wonderful um artists we all are [vocalsound] um. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Any questions? [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] What we're gonna be discussing at the next meeting? Do we know that? [speaker001:] I haven't gotten an agenda yet, um I'll put that together. I'm sure as we'll each get our own instruction [speaker003:] Right. [speaker001:] and then um because what we gonna do is first our individual actions and then we'll come back together. [speaker003:] Yep. [speaker001:] So I'm sure we'll all have more concrete things to contribute next time [speaker002:] 'Kay. [speaker003:] Yep. [speaker002:] I'm sure we'll be busy. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Mm 'kay um I'll type up mi minutes and probably email those out to all of you. Um just including all the things that we talked about. Um. [speaker003:] Okay. Can you e-mail your slides as well? Is that possible? [speaker001:] Yes, I yes, I think I can. Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] Cool [speaker001:] I'll just attach it to an email. And you're you're number two, [speaker002:] I'm two. [speaker001:] three, four? [speaker004:] I'm four. [speaker001:] Is that correct? Okay. [speaker002:] Alright. [speaker001:] Excellent. It was lovely meeting you all. [speaker003:] 'Kay [speaker001:] Just make sure you keep checking the company web site and the emails. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] 'Kay. [speaker001:] Let me see if I can do that right now.

[speaker002:] Now what. [speaker001:] 'Kay, hello everybody. Uh, I guess you all know what is it about, you all received the email, I guess. Uh, we are actually doing this meeting to start a new project which is about designing a remote control. So I'm going to be the project manager of this uh project. And uh so I'm [disfmarker] present myself. I'm Fabien Cardinaux and uh I I guess you can present yourself. So I dunno, you can starts. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Okay, so my name is Petre [gap]. You can call me Petre [gap], or Peter if you like. I don't care [gap]. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] Uh my name's Bob Mor. [speaker001:] And you are? In the project? [speaker002:] Uh, in the project I'm supposed to be the technic. [speaker004:] Oh, sorry. [speaker001:] [gap] [speaker004:] 'Kay. So my name's Bob Morris. I'm the Marketing Expert for this project. [speaker002:] Bob, [speaker004:] Bob yeah. [speaker002:] okay. [speaker003:] My name is Hamed Getabdar, and uh I'm going to be Interface Designer in this project. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] So, uh, so today we are doing a short meeting to present the project, so um We are gooding we are going to present the tool we are [vocalsound] we are going to use during all this project. We are talking about the project plan, and we are going to to discuss about st our first ideas and so on, and, yeah. So we have around twenty five minutes to do this meeting. Um. So what is the goal of this project? Is to design a new remote control. So it should be, of course, new and original, and um it should be trendy, and user friendly. That mean it's a very challenging project, and uh uh. So w it's [disfmarker] we will try to do our best, and hopefully come with something very new and that people want to buy. So, um [disfmarker] So what's uh what are we going to do during this all this project? So it's more like we are going to do inv individual work all in o in o our specialities and we are going to meet each other quite often to discuss and to find a good way. Um. Yeah and everything is [disfmarker] will be like this. Um so now we are going to to get used t to to the tools we are going to use all [disfmarker] during all this project. So we can try to use uh the whiteboard here. So [gap] uh. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] For example we can try to write what is our our favourite animal and write the f our favourite characteristics about it. Mm. Uh [vocalsound]. So uh [disfmarker] [gap] So I will ask you all to do the same. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] Just to get used to the whiteboard. [speaker002:] So probably I would try to try to draw the animal. Well sh should I draw the picture of the animal? I I th I think I should. [speaker001:] Yeah, yeah, you can draw the picture, of course [vocalsound]. [speaker004:] Yeah go ahead. [speaker002:] Okay, so. Um [vocalsound]. Okay, American, um. Um. I would use the bird. So I tried to sketch it out. I had to first uh write it down because I am not absolutely sure if I can draw it, but ah. Can you recognise it [vocalsound] as a bird? [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Okay [vocalsound] it's your turn to [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Okay, okay. [vocalsound] So I think my favourite animal would be a c a cat. [speaker001:] Oh. [speaker004:] That's its head. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Um I probably like cats the most because they're cuddly and furry and uh playful. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [gap] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker003:] I dunno if I should go with this [gap] [vocalsound]. [speaker002:] Oh it's okay. [speaker004:] Thanks. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] If it is enough line. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] Maybe put it up [speaker003:] [vocalsound] I'm sorry. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [disfmarker] Put it a Maybe put it on the desk or something. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] I should get used to the tool, so. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Oh just wait [gap] a little bit. C could we put it here, to make it as straight as possible? [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Ah probably not. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] They should be remote. [speaker002:] Okay, it [disfmarker] it works like this. [speaker004:] Uh, that's better. [speaker003:] Okay, thanks. [speaker004:] Your lapel microphone's fallen off. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Are you left-handed? [speaker003:] No. [speaker002:] Oh, pity [vocalsound]. [speaker003:] Okay. Should I clean? [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Okay, I think like horses uh because they are strong and beautiful, so if I want to write it here, I think I can. [vocalsound] Oh [vocalsound]. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Never mind. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Ah, it's maybe better if you leave it. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah. Yeah. Maybe we should just continue. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah, don't worry about it. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [gap] [speaker001:] [gap], no worry. [speaker004:] No. [speaker002:] [gap] [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker002:] You won't draw them, or? [speaker001:] You can draw it, if you want. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] I dunno if I can. [speaker002:] Just try. I would like to see how it looks like. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Okay. [vocalsound] It may be like a cow or I dunno, whatever. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] I'm not good very good in drawing. Okay, so this is very [vocalsound] [disfmarker] It's a bird, I think. I dunno what is it. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] No, I think it's clear. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Four. Okay. Mm-hmm. Mm. Yeah. I'm shameful [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Oh that's good, it's good. [speaker002:] It's okay. It's in it's indeed beautiful. [speaker001:] Good. [speaker004:] Yeah, and strong. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah. [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Bob. Have to remember it. Bob. [speaker001:] So good um [disfmarker] So, let's talk about money. Uh we are going to to sell [disfmarker] we want to sell uh this remote control for twenty five Euro Euro. And uh our expected profit will be around fifty million Euro. And uh we are trying to to have a market all around the world. So [gap] n not only for Switzerland, but for the world. Uh. So, um. The [disfmarker] We expect a production cost of maximum uh twelve point fifty Euro. [speaker002:] Per unit, I guess. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yeah, of course. [speaker002:] Y oh okay. [speaker001:] Um, so we can start today to have a first idea of what we want to do what are our experiments with remote control, and any idea? So, if you have some experience, good or bad, with remote controls you can share it and say what you f what is your idea. Anything. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker004:] Well, from experience, um I've had remote controls in the past that have had very [disfmarker] they've had lots and lots of buttons and they've been very small, and it's been very hard to to to use, because there's so many buttons, and you know it's very hard to see which buttons do what, and the buttons are very small and very hard to press. Um and and normally you only every use, you know, on a TV remote you only ever use, mostly, you know, f four or f six buttons. Um. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker002:] Oh. [speaker004:] So it's frustrated me in the past, th that. [speaker002:] Okay, I have also some points uh. Maybe two points. Uh first would be that in current remote controls there is no back light [vocalsound], so if you are if you are uh playing with this in the dark room it's it's probably worth to to have something like uh back light. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] And maybe it could be also dependant on the the amount of of light in the room, so that if if it's in the day it doesn't need to be back lighted because it works on the battery, so. So something like this. And the second thing, f second point from me would be that in a normal remote control there is uh [disfmarker] there are two buttons for volume control. But I prefer like a potential-meter or something like. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Ah, okay. Okay. [speaker002:] You know, some slider or [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Not just two discrete buttons for volume, [speaker004:] Okay, n [vocalsound] [speaker002:] but something which [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] Is that because the [disfmarker] of the discrete volume levels, [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] or is that [speaker002:] Yeah, but I can reach [disfmarker] In uh one second I can mute it down, or or make a high volume. [speaker001:] [gap] Are you not afraid that if you take your remote control you can move the slide and it could [gap] [disfmarker] the the volume can go up very quickly [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Ah, n. [speaker001:] and it can [disfmarker] [speaker002:] If it drops to the floor then it starts to scream [gap]. [speaker001:] Yeah, also if y when you take the the remote control, for example on the table, you take it and you push the button and everything is very loud, and [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah, f It depends what what you feel about that. [speaker001:] you have a heart attack [vocalsound]. Okay. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah but we can we can think of these things afterwards, but if [gap] you have some more notes on that. [speaker001:] Yeah [speaker003:] Uh I [disfmarker] Yeah, [speaker001:] so you can [disfmarker] Do you have something? [speaker003:] just a simple experience. I uh I prefer um remote control working with radio waves, because remote control working with infra-red rays you should you should you should keep it in a specific direction and then try it hard to tune [gap]. [speaker001:] Yeah, that's true. Yeah without obstacles and [gap]. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] Okay. Let's continue. [speaker002:] Um. [speaker001:] I have a meeting in five minutes, so maybe we should hurry. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker002:] Okay, [speaker001:] Um. So we will close uh this meeting. [speaker002:] just a second. [gap] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] So we will have a next meeting in uh thirty minutes. Um. Uh. The [disfmarker] So I will ask you to do some work. Uh the the interface interface developer will work on the on the design of the remote control, start to to have new idea and [speaker002:] Which i which is Hamed, [gap]? [speaker001:] read about [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker004:] He's the Industrial Designer? No, you're the Industrial Designer. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Uh I am the Technical Designer, [speaker001:] Oh. [speaker002:] I dunno which one, uh v. [speaker004:] Yeah, I think that's the first. ID. Industrial Designer. [speaker001:] Industry and [disfmarker] Oh. [speaker003:] Uh-huh. [speaker004:] And the second one is the User Interface Designer. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] User Interf Okay. [speaker004:] And then last one's marketing, which is me. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Okay, so I'm the first one. [speaker001:] So, um [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [gap] [speaker001:] For the User Interface Designer, which is Hamed um, [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] uh, you are going to work on the technical functions of the remote control. [speaker002:] I see. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker001:] And for the Marketing uh Manager, I dunno, okay, which is Bob, uh you are going to try to to find the user requirements f uh for the remote control. Um, you will receive by email uh the specific instructions and uh by your personal coach. [speaker002:] [gap] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [gap] Sign. [speaker001:] Yep finished. So I see you in thirty minutes. [speaker004:] Great, okay. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] [gap] [speaker003:] Okay, thanks. [speaker004:] Thanks guys. Bye. [speaker003:] Bye. [speaker001:] Thank you. [speaker002:] [gap] Uh. [gap]

[speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [gap] [speaker004:] [gap] [speaker002:] Mm-hmm So, ready? [speaker004:] No not really [speaker003:] 'Kay [speaker002:] [gap] [speaker004:] Just [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Crap. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Sorry, [vocalsound] I I um [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker003:] It's perfect. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Your judgement it's [disfmarker] is biased. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] I'm afraid [disfmarker] [vocalsound] Uh thi this remote control will stay a prototype. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] 'Kay, so whe where is the remote control? [speaker001:] [vocalsound] So, [speaker003:] Where? [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] we are [vocalsound] [speaker003:] It's here. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] So [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] let's go for our detailed design meeting. [speaker004:] Yep. [speaker001:] So I will still play the role of the secretary, and we'll have um first the project presentation by our User Interface Designer, David Jordan, [speaker003:] Okay. Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] and our Industrial Designer, Baba. [speaker002:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] So we'll have to evaluate the uh [disfmarker] your proposed remote control, [speaker003:] 'Kay. [speaker001:] and um have an idea of the price that uh this thing will cost. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [gap] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] And in case if we're [disfmarker] we all agree on the fabrica of um building of this remote control, we'll evaluate the um production. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] So maybe I will let the [disfmarker] our two designers talk about so their [disfmarker] [speaker003:] I have slides. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] You have s oh, sorry. Oops. [speaker003:] Ah, [speaker002:] Effectively one slide and maybe we can discuss everything. [speaker003:] Product prod [speaker004:] What slides? [speaker003:] Yep. Okay. Okay. [vocalsound] So, this is our product or prototype. This is made by clay. [speaker001:] Looks strange. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah. [vocalsound] Uh the basic colour is uh yellow and red. Yellow is uh our company colour, [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] uh red it's uh is more attractive. So we used two basic colour, yellow and red. And the shape, there's two basic shape. The first is a circle and the second is a triangle s piece. It's [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker003:] we call it a mushroom design. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] It's looks like some mushroom, so we call it mushroom design. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah. Uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] So this is a introduction of our product. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Genetically modified mushroom I will say, but [speaker003:] Next a mo [vocalsound] Okay, [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [disfmarker] keep on speaking. [speaker003:] yeah, so next slide. So there are several key features of our pr prototype. The first is that it is fuzzy. I'm sure this would be the unique design the market. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Oh. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah, yeah I'm sure [vocalsound]. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Maybe, I hope so. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yeah, so it's a fuzzy design, and a unique design. [speaker002:] Yeah, that's true. [speaker003:] Um, and uh the second key feature is that uh s circle channel um selection. In the traditional key uh traditional controller use button to to select the channel but now we have a s circle, so we can turn this ball to t to select channel. So it's quite convenient for user to use it. [speaker001:] Chan Yeah, okay, but don't touch [disfmarker] don't destroy your prototype. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah, s [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] okay. Uh the third feature is a stable triangle base. Uh this sta uh this triangle base is very stable, so uh so it's it's um it's unlikely you cannot found it. So it's v Um, you can put it in the table so you can turn the the ball to cha to select the channel and there's some cute button. You c can can you can see the the shape of the buttons n is a mushroom, so [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Everything's mushroom. [speaker002:] Yeah [gap]. [speaker003:] Yeah, everything's mushroom. [speaker001:] So we can call our remote control the mushroom. [speaker003:] Mush [speaker002:] Yeah but it's not like really mushroom because you have uh you know uh [vocalsound] like lemon shape, you know, [speaker003:] Mushroom design, yeah. [speaker002:] centre [vocalsound] is yellow and t d [speaker003:] Yeah [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] Yeah, th that's why if you put it in the table, be careful, somebody will eat it. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] To integrate, you know [disfmarker] yeah. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] I don't think [disfmarker] [vocalsound] I hope nobody will eat it [gap] You know, to integrate the fruit aspect, you know the [vocalsound] the [vocalsound] in [speaker003:] Yeah [speaker001:] Oh. [speaker004:] Yeah, because mushroom was not in the trends. I mean there was fruits [disfmarker] yeah. [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker002:] Really? [speaker001:] Fruits and vegetables. [speaker002:] But [disfmarker] Fruit and vegetable, so mushroom was a kind of you know [gap] uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Vegetables. Mushroom is a vegetable. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker004:] I don't think it is. [speaker001:] It's vegetable. [speaker002:] Mushroom? [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Oh, uh I'm not sure. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] So th it's something eatable. [speaker002:] We can [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] it's a veg a kind of vegetable, but you know we we integrated them with different colour. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] But anyway this is not a mushroom anyway, so it's fine. [speaker003:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [disfmarker] [vocalsound] I think we take into account what you said about fruit and vegetable [gap] you know. This, you know, very enlighted colours, you know. [speaker004:] No, I mean, yeah [vocalsound] yeah. Inspira inspiration is [disfmarker] [speaker002:] And inspired colour [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] and [vocalsound] and very sophisticated material, so. [speaker004:] True. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] And so [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Next slide. [speaker003:] Uh, no this our only two slides. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [gap] [speaker002:] So what we w what I can add is that, you know [vocalsound] he talk about what is outside, [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] so what is inside is what we dis what we talked before about, you know, the chip, it is a low level chip, and [disfmarker] [speaker003:] So we cut it to see. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] You know, we don't need to k [vocalsound]. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] You know wi [vocalsound] the low level chips inside and you know the LCD button and the i [speaker003:] Okay. So where's the battery battery? [speaker002:] The battery it is under [gap]. It is in th in [disfmarker] in the base, yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] In the base. [speaker003:] Base. [speaker001:] In the basement. In the basement. [speaker003:] Here? [speaker001:] And where is the solar solar cell? [speaker004:] But we say uh we sa we said solar. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Where is the solar cell? [speaker002:] In fact this this this this is a kind of you know revolutionary solar receptor that we can put outside and [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Oh. Do you think it won't be [disfmarker] It won't cris increase the price? [speaker003:] Okay [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [gap] I don't think so, [speaker001:] Okay, we'll see after. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] but it it's might be okay, so. [speaker001:] We will have first to [disfmarker] [speaker002:] I it might be okay. So [disfmarker] [speaker001:] so, mister money, what's your opinion according to this remote control? [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] I mean, we gonna try to measure how good it is instead of just talking about [disfmarker] uh [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] we had three keys [disfmarker] [vocalsound] key points to uh for this remote control design, [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] and first one was uh [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] fancy look and feel. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] So w we'll try to judge this feature uh with a one to seven scale, one being uh no, I think. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Uh just let me check. [speaker002:] So, four point [disfmarker] three point five, it means it's acceptable. [speaker004:] One one being true, and seven being false. Okay. [speaker002:] Oops. [speaker004:] Ouch. So [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker004:] Do we have a fancy look and feel, according to you? [speaker003:] Yeah, I think so. [speaker002:] I think you have nice colours. [vocalsound] I don't [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] But is it [disfmarker] [speaker002:] The sha the bowl shape people like. [speaker003:] Yeah, the shape is unique, and the colour [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Uh I'll agree it's unique, but is it really [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Is it really fancy? [speaker003:] [vocalsound] So it depend on how d do you define fancy. [speaker004:] Yeah I mean, fancy was was defined by s fruit and vegetable look. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] But it's [disfmarker] you have the lemon aspect of this th this [vocalsound] this thing. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Maybe if you change [disfmarker] if you take the buttons out, [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Do Don't do that, please. [speaker001:] and maybe do things like that [disfmarker] [speaker004:] I dunno where the lemon is, but [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] I it's it's i this shape is a lemon like, so [disfmarker] [speaker004:] I mean it's not obvious. [speaker001:] It would be bet more like a lemon? [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] If [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Because i [speaker004:] I dunno, maybe improving the texture of like having it less smooth or [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Less button. [speaker003:] Uh so, my mush [disfmarker]. [speaker002:] [gap] [speaker001:] Looks like more fruit. [speaker002:] Yeah, but you don't have any button now. [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker001:] Maybe a pineapple? [speaker004:] Yeah. I dunno. [speaker001:] And you know, you have the finger here, with the buttons? [speaker003:] Yeah. Hmm. [speaker002:] That's uh yeah, is that [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah, it's getting [disfmarker] [speaker002:] that's a good idea. So that's great. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] It looks [vocalsound] more like a pineapple. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] That's great. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Sorry. What's the use for that? [speaker003:] Uh, for turn turn the ball. [speaker002:] I have no idea, so. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] If you want to turn the ball, it's very it's very convenient for you to to to turn the ball to change the channel. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] I have no idea [vocalsound] what [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] And where is the voice recognition? [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker003:] Uh. Ah, it's embedded, your microphone. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah, that's [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] Th this th th there's two two functions. [speaker004:] Wait th that's the second point. [speaker003:] This is microphone array [disfmarker] [speaker004:] First one is we have to judge the fancy look and feel. [speaker002:] If it is fancy or not. [speaker001:] Okay. Is it better like that? [speaker004:] I mean [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] So we can we can say t [speaker001:] Looks [disfmarker] okay, [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] let's say it's a pineapple now. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] The colour, is the colour acceptable? [speaker004:] [vocalsound] No, the colour is okay, that's fine. [speaker002:] So the shape now. [speaker004:] I mean it's [disfmarker] [speaker001:] It looks like a [vocalsound] [disfmarker] [speaker004:] but I would say there is more [disfmarker] too much red. [speaker001:] now you took it. [speaker002:] It's too much red? [speaker004:] Um if [speaker002:] In the basement? [speaker001:] It looks like a pineapple with cherry on top. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Right. So, from one to seven? [speaker002:] [vocalsound] I will give [disfmarker] I will [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Mm uh [disfmarker] Seven is the ma the maximum? [speaker004:] No, seven is false and one is true. [speaker002:] I'll gi I'll give two or three. Three, it's okay. [speaker001:] Three, I will say three. [speaker002:] Three, three. [speaker004:] Three? [speaker002:] Three is fine for me. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker003:] 'Kay [speaker004:] Three. [speaker001:] Isn't it bitter like that [gap]? [speaker003:] Yeah yeah yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Then [vocalsound] uh let me [disfmarker] [speaker002:] What other [disfmarker] [speaker004:] The other criterion is is it technologically uh technologically in innovative. [speaker002:] Is it easy to use? [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Feasible? [speaker002:] Ye uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] You said previously that you [disfmarker] there's um microphone inside an [speaker002:] Embedded. [speaker003:] Yeah, this is microphone array, in fact. [speaker002:] It's a micro array, okay. [speaker003:] There four microphone. [speaker001:] Oh. Okay, [speaker003:] So they they they they [disfmarker] there's a microphone array. [speaker001:] and you have the [disfmarker] there's the technology inside that recognise simple vocal comments? [speaker003:] Yeah, yeah. So you can capture voice [disfmarker] yeah, you c [speaker001:] And you can turn it so maybe it's techno technologically innov innovative? [speaker002:] Oh yeah, yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah, so you can capture s voice from different directions. Yeah. [speaker002:] And I think you [disfmarker] you've never seen a rou a round remote control, so it is [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah bu but when you say technologically it's more uh I dunno, in the core, or single. [speaker002:] I [vocalsound] W Yeah, but [disfmarker] [speaker001:] We have tactile buttons. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] I see, you have microphone array embedded. You have [disfmarker] [speaker004:] No, that's good. Yeah. [speaker002:] That's good. [speaker001:] Oh, yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah, th that's another really good point. Maybe [disfmarker] okay. [speaker002:] I think technically it's acceptable, so [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Maybe two? [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] So using the same scale, two? [speaker001:] Two? [speaker002:] Two, yeah, two. It's it's fine, so. [speaker001:] I would say two You agree? [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker003:] Yeah, I agree. [speaker001:] It's better like that, [speaker004:] Now maybe the most critical one. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] isn't it? [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Most [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] L last one w I would like to judge is is it easy to use? [speaker002:] Eh, for th the vocal command yes, it's might be easy. But it's just speaking. [speaker003:] Yeah, it's very easy. [speaker002:] You just need the command. [speaker004:] Yeah but this this turning [disfmarker] [speaker003:] You can use this in this way. [speaker004:] can you can you just re explain me the [disfmarker] [speaker002:] As a principle. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Please. [speaker003:] Yeah. Th this is the base. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] So you can turn to change the channel. [speaker004:] Yeah but how how intuitive is it to turn things to change channels? [speaker003:] You just tu turn d d [speaker002:] I think maybe if you he [speaker004:] Like if you want to go from [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Oh, ok I understand. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] If you hear some click [disfmarker] [speaker001:] You take take [vocalsound] the remote, so [disfmarker] and you can turn like that to change the channel? [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah but imagine you y [speaker001:] I think it's quite easy to so s zapping, but maybe it will be too fast. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah I'm I'm no I'm not definitely convinced it's it's the best way to [disfmarker] if you wanna jump from, I dunno, one to twenty? [speaker002:] Oh yeah, that's difficult. That's dif that's difficult. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] How can you go directly to twenty, for example? [vocalsound] [speaker003:] No, no, no. I [disfmarker] if y uh if [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] it depend on the the angle you turn the [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah. I agree. I agree. [speaker002:] Yeah but y how [disfmarker] [speaker004:] But I mean if you're fro from two? [speaker002:] you need to know [disfmarker] I [disfmarker] [speaker003:] I if if this is a channel one. So it c it could be channel two, channel three, channel four, channel five. [speaker002:] I think something that [disfmarker] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah, you have a [vocalsound], like that, and so on. [speaker003:] So change. Yeah. [speaker002:] And you you can [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah ju just imagine you have fifty fifty channels uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Oh yeah. [speaker003:] Y uh fifth channel divided by the num by the [disfmarker] by three hundred thirteen degree. [speaker004:] We're not talking [disfmarker] Yeah. [speaker003:] So you got how many degree you you [disfmarker] it [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah but y but you have to go through all the channels if you want to go [disfmarker] [speaker002:] I think you can if you have a scale, so [disfmarker] [speaker003:] No no, you don't have to y no it's uh when you when you stop t uh when you stop, the the turn, [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] then the angle you stop is the angle you [disfmarker] is the channel you [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah. How d how do you know this angle is th is the correct one? [speaker003:] It's it's very easy, because you kn you know how many channel are there in the [disfmarker] [speaker004:] So you you count [gap] one degree, two degrees, no. [speaker003:] Yeah, yeah, yeah. You can do it. [speaker004:] I don't think so. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah, it's a bit difficult. [speaker003:] I think so [vocalsound] I think so you can do it. [vocalsound] I think so, you can just change. [speaker002:] I think b but the the vocal command is easy too. You can say fifty and fifty it's okay, so [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah voc vocal command is okay. But w we've said previously that maybe it's not going to be th l the main [disfmarker] [speaker003:] There's uh also a number, you know. [speaker001:] Yeah, but when you're zapping you're changing from one channel to the other, so you're passing through all the channels. So, when you say I want to go to the channel number twenty that's [disfmarker] you've decided to go to channel twenty, so you can say channel twenty, or channel four, because you really want to go on this channel. [speaker002:] Uh, yeah, and y that's [disfmarker] yeah. [speaker001:] But if you really want to to do zapping you you don't really know what you want to do, you can turn it. [speaker004:] And this would be more for browsing, ah. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Just go through all the channels and maybe stop if there is something interesting? [speaker002:] To see uh [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] yeah [vocalsound] uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Seems to be good. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Good choice, mister David Jordan. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah, I mean you're famous. You [gap]. [speaker002:] And but I'd [disfmarker] [speaker003:] And also you can, if you i [speaker001:] [gap] yeah, what's what's this cherry? [speaker003:] You ca you can turn this. Or you ca you can you can also turn this. [speaker002:] It is a turn off t turn off button, maybe. [speaker003:] For this you can tune it's for tune. You you if you want to skip from channel one to channel two, you you skip this. If you want to from uh skip from channel one to channel ten you tune this. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [gap] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker003:] It's like fine, from coarse to fine. This is coarse, this is fine. [speaker002:] Yeah, yeah yeah. That's [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] So it's coarse to fine design. [speaker002:] that's very technologic, so. [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Okay the uh th this looks better. Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah is is [disfmarker] this is, from one channel to maybe to ten channel. [speaker002:] S But I di I didn't see where the t f the turn off t turn on turn off button so much activates [speaker003:] This is from one channel to [disfmarker] [speaker002:] maybe one of the [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah, th you have the vocal commands. [speaker003:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker002:] Uh it's k [gap] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] On off. [speaker002:] on off, yeah. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah, but it has to be on to recognise fas [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Most of the time you have the [disfmarker] yeah it's a sleeping remote control. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah, sleeping. [speaker004:] Ah, that's not the ecological part, yeah. [speaker001:] That's true. W that why we have the solar ti yeah. [speaker004:] Solar. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] To compensate [gap]. [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker001:] So [speaker004:] So, which number? [speaker001:] [disfmarker] three. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Easy to use, it's very relative but three it's fine, I think, it's reasonable three. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Do you agree? [speaker003:] Yeah, agree, agree. [speaker001:] Three? [speaker004:] So reasonably, is four, is one? [speaker002:] Three f three for me, it's o it's okay. [speaker004:] So, three. [speaker003:] [gap] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Four or three. Maybe you can vote to see how many everybody gives and [disfmarker] no and just take the mean. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] And what's your opinion? [speaker004:] Uh we wouldn't say, I mean, [speaker002:] Will you give four? [speaker004:] those are sort of agreed but this one would be more five to me. [speaker002:] Five? Yeah, so maybe if [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Uh w w what do y what uh [disfmarker] you compare with traditional uh um tr traditional controller? [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] I think it's easier than traditional controller. If you use traditional controller you have to put a button, but now you don't have to put button, you have [disfmarker] you just turn the turn the ball. [speaker002:] Yeah but y you know [gap] [disfmarker] [speaker003:] There's two kind of balls, [speaker004:] So you have [disfmarker] [speaker003:] the smaller the the the [disfmarker] so you can c you can c you can control the scale. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] yeah. [speaker003:] But in the traditional controller, how do [disfmarker] how can you control the scale? [speaker004:] Uh by pushing zero after after the first one. [speaker002:] You just push two button, zero and and one. [speaker003:] Yeah, [speaker002:] And that's [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] yeah, yeah, y you you can do it, [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] but you can also do it in the b if you you do not wa if you do not want to browsing all the channel you can just p there's also a button here. [speaker002:] Are there some buttons? Okay. [speaker003:] Yeah, this function is just for your browsing, from one channel to th the next one, the next s sn s, the th the third one. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] It's not what you said previously. Previously you said that turning this was the fine [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah, if you're changing your mind. [speaker002:] [gap] [speaker004:] Fine to coarse. [speaker001:] Fine to coarse. [speaker003:] Yeah, yeah. [speaker001:] And from ten to ten channels here. [speaker003:] Y one to ten, ten to twelve, uh ten to t uh twenty. Ten to twenty and this one, t one two three four five six, like this. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] Uh there's different scale, so you can you can choose how much do you want to sc [speaker004:] Okay. But this this has to stay on the table, right? [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] This has to stay on the table. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] In fact on a flat place [disfmarker] [speaker003:] I i this is just a base. You can just [disfmarker] [speaker002:] You can [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah but then uh when you turn turn it [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Oh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Oh ye yes, that's right. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yeah, no no, no. You can't put it out. [speaker004:] Just [disfmarker] It's [disfmarker] [speaker001:] It's just your turning from the base. You need to have everything in hand. If you want to turn, you can't use it and turn. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Oh [speaker001:] It's impossible. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] You need to put it on and turn. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] You know tha that's the weak point, [speaker003:] [vocalsound] You use your y [speaker004:] because with a traditional one you just have one hand. [speaker001:] Yeah, but nobody would be able to take it in the pocket and bring it in the kitchen and say I've lost the remote control. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] my God. [vocalsound] [gap] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] So th this is a d next generation controller. [vocalsound] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Nobody would take it. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Sure. [vocalsound] Yeah, you would never you would never lose this one, yeah. [speaker001:] So nobody w will lost [disfmarker] lose it. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] yeah maybe, maybe may [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Okay okay, okay. [speaker002:] it's the next prototype, maybe we cou [speaker001:] S maybe we can change from th [speaker002:] Four. Maybe four, it's okay. [speaker003:] Four. Okay. [speaker001:] Four? [speaker002:] I'll put four. [speaker001:] Easy to use, four. Gonna say four. [speaker004:] Four. [speaker002:] Yeah, four it's more reasonable. [speaker004:] Uh it's even easier to [disfmarker] maybe. [speaker002:] You can you can erase with this er yeah. [speaker004:] Ok [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker002:] Yeah, four it's more reasonable, so. So it's nine, [speaker004:] So, average? [speaker002:] nine over three. [speaker004:] Three? [speaker003:] Three? [speaker001:] Trois. Three. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Oh yeah, it's [gap]. [speaker003:] Trois. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Okay, so [disfmarker] [speaker002:] It need maybe some wo further work, but it's [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah, especially on the easy to use [speaker002:] Yeah, uh s yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] target. [speaker002:] Might [disfmarker] it might be fine. [speaker001:] So, th the project is accepted? [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah, b I think [vocalsound] [disfmarker] [speaker001:] But I d m I think that it will be good to do some more work to transform this into a pineapple. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah, yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] If you re we really want to have a fruitful remote control. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] So uh mm mm. Mm. [speaker002:] That's the finance. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Okay and we we had a project prototype presentation with the evaluation. So as we all agree to accept, under certain conditions, the prototype, we'll have look to the final sh financial view. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Mm. Okay. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] So we need to calculate the production cost. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] As I said in the first meeting we need to have so a remote control that would cost not more than twelve and point fifty Euros. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] And if not [disfmarker] if it's not the case y you would have to redesign it. [speaker002:] Oh yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] So, just have a look at the [disfmarker] okay here is the [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Excel sheet, so so it has the energy source. We have hand dynamo. No, we don't use that. [speaker004:] No. [speaker001:] We have battery, right? [speaker002:] Yeah, we have battery. [speaker001:] Kinetic, we don't have it, I suppose, [speaker002:] No, um solar cells, yeah. [speaker001:] but we have solar cells. Um, how many do y do you need, solar cells? Do you think one would be enough, or [disfmarker] such as [speaker002:] Uh I think in each ball you have three [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] as number of branches? Three? [speaker002:] three uh yeah, three, yeah. Three [gap] three solar cells. [speaker001:] So, electronic. Single simple chip on print? Just one would be necessary? [speaker002:] S s simple, simple, yeah. [speaker001:] One? [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Zero for the others. And sample sensor, sample speaker. One? [speaker002:] Mm. One maybe, yeah. [speaker001:] As we have voice recognition, I think. [speaker002:] Yeah yeah yeah. [speaker001:] So the case. [speaker002:] Is it [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Is sh it [gap] [speaker004:] So we are all already nineteen. [speaker002:] Wooden. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] Okay, just keep on going, just to have an idea. [speaker003:] The solar cell is too expensive. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Is [disfmarker] Yes a wooden pl I and that's [disfmarker] There's no wood, so plastic just only, I think. [speaker001:] Well uh [disfmarker] yeah, but what what about case? Uncurved, flat, single curved, double curved. I think it's more like double curved. [speaker004:] That's gonna be double curved, yeah. [speaker002:] Double curve, yeah, double curve. [speaker001:] One? [speaker002:] One, you have. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Uh wood? [vocalsound] [speaker002:] But it's [disfmarker] yeah, [speaker004:] Rather four buttons. [speaker002:] a a rubber uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Oh no, interface. [speaker001:] Uh do we need special colour? Y maybe, two? [speaker002:] Yeah, yeah. Y y yeah, yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah, yeah that's special colours, sure. [speaker001:] We have two special colours. Push button. [speaker003:] Mm. Yeah, we have four. [vocalsound] Five. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Five? [speaker001:] Okay. [vocalsound] Scroll wheel. [speaker003:] No. [speaker001:] We don no. It it's more like integrated scor. [speaker002:] I think that this will be like a scroll wheel, actually. [speaker003:] No no. [speaker004:] Yeah tha that's wheel. [speaker002:] Y you tu you turn you turn it, so [disfmarker] [speaker003:] No no no, it [disfmarker] [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker001:] Yeah, maybe two scroll wheel, as we have the coarse coarse to fine scroll wheel. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah, true. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Okay, yeah, yeah. Scr [speaker001:] So, no button supplements? [speaker004:] I think the price is okay. [speaker003:] No. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] Um, no. [speaker001:] Okay we [disfmarker] I think we have problem. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] LC display, maybe. Interface. [speaker001:] I think we s if we keep on adding things [disfmarker] [speaker002:] It's okay. [vocalsound] [gap] fine [gap]. [speaker001:] so we have to [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah w one of the m key point is solar cells. [speaker001:] Maybe if w t if suppose if we change and we g put just one? [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Has it changed. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yeah, it was stage one, so. [speaker004:] No y i it did change, but [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] We have change the electronics to [disfmarker] from from the the the sample sensor to regular chip. Oh. [speaker004:] just imagine we have [disfmarker] [speaker002:] So [disfmarker] [speaker003:] We have to delete the the sample sensor, I think. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah, but we have [disfmarker] you [disfmarker] the the voice recognition, no? [speaker004:] Yeah but this one one of the feature we were not really [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah it's the one it's [disfmarker] m maybe we ha we have two versions, [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] the first version, the basic version. [speaker002:] I think you can transform the wood into plastic, maybe. [speaker003:] Advanced version we have speak. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Because uh it seems that this can be [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah, if [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Or it would be better. [speaker002:] yeah, wood into plastic and it it should be fine. [speaker003:] Plastic is free. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] So, do we need special colour? [speaker004:] Yeah, that's one of the requirement. [speaker001:] Because we have red. [speaker002:] Yeah, red and yellow. [speaker003:] Wait. [speaker001:] Red and yellow. [speaker004:] We could turn we could turn everything in either yellow or black. [speaker002:] Fancy. [speaker003:] We we can we can we c [vocalsound] yellow. [speaker004:] Black then is a regular colour, so. [speaker002:] [gap] [speaker001:] I think so we need [disfmarker] if we try to have a kind of [speaker004:] Yeah, one. [speaker001:] pineapple bee. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah. So push button then it's it's the next expensive one. [speaker001:] Yeah. An but we have integrated scroll wheel with push dut button. And I think this is one. [speaker004:] Yeah, thi this might be. [speaker001:] Integrated scroll wheel push button So we'll [disfmarker] we have only one? And push button. [speaker004:] Close to. [speaker001:] So if we have all integrated i in the scroll wheel and push button, it's uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] One. I can remove maybe f you have five with push buttons, so we can just, I dunno, try to modify some of them to have [disfmarker] yeah. [speaker004:] Okay, so what's the bottleneck? [speaker003:] How about we change the sale? [speaker004:] Double curved. [speaker002:] Double curve. We can transform the double curve into single c yeah. [speaker001:] Something flat. [speaker002:] F some [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah, but flat [disfmarker] [speaker001:] S uncurved. Yeah, maybe not. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Single curve [gap]. [speaker004:] Case, what's the ca [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Single curve should be fine, so. Oh, what [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Mm. Nearly. [speaker003:] Ah we have one [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] And then one Euro left. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Um. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Maybe don't bat no battery, only solar cells. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] It's it's a bad idea, so. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Um [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] I think there's a problem with the push push button. We only need maybe just one. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Two? One. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Just one. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker002:] That's fine. That's fine. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Okay. Okay. [vocalsound] Agree. [speaker004:] So we have one button, [speaker001:] So [vocalsound] yeah, you will have [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [gap] One s one scroll wheel, so [speaker004:] one wheel. [speaker001:] So one button, and s scroll wheel with push button on it. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [disfmarker] [vocalsound] And the vocal chord, it's fine. [gap] It I th it's fine. [speaker001:] So [disfmarker] [speaker004:] It's good they're not charging anything for that. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] So, yeah. It think we we've done good job, as the cost is [speaker003:] Cou could we have look [disfmarker] [speaker001:] twelve fifty e [speaker003:] Could we have look at the p the the prod the p the cost? [speaker004:] Yeah y actually it's wrong. We're not under twelve Euros and a half. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yeah, but it's under or equal. It's not written. [speaker002:] It's fine. [speaker001:] Sometimes it's under or equal. [speaker002:] It's under or equal. It's fine, so [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Okay. Okay. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] So let's say [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Twelve fifty. [speaker003:] Wha what [disfmarker] yeah. [speaker002:] It's fine, twelve fifty uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Which part is the most expensive part? [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Solar cells. [speaker002:] The solar cells, r is i is it? [speaker001:] Yeah, I think. [speaker003:] Yeah, I think it's not t t [speaker001:] I think, yeah. But it would i be interesting for our marketing team, to make a lot of advertisement concerning these solar cells to be [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah, to be able to si to sell it. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Cheaper. [speaker004:] That's nice argument, but if it's it's still four our of twelve. [speaker002:] Yeah, with mi It's [disfmarker] it is really really uh really very very expensive, though. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Maybe if uh [disfmarker] okay. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker001:] Yeah but it will be technologically innova innovative, so. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yeah, yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah but we just have one button. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] So it's easy to use and powerful, as the remote control a has only one button. [speaker004:] Easy. I don't know about powerful. Yeah. [speaker002:] It's easy to use. It's very easy to use. [gap] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Easy, powerful. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker001:] So I don't think we need to redesign the p the product. [speaker002:] No. [speaker004:] Uh that's what we've just done. [speaker002:] We've done it with [disfmarker] it is under the [disfmarker] if it was low, high or so. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. Um [speaker001:] So [disfmarker] [speaker004:] okay. [speaker001:] Now [disfmarker] [speaker002:] So [disfmarker] So what are we going to do with this project evaluation? [speaker001:] So [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Well I think we have just have to discuss if [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Okay, okay, it's fine. [speaker004:] I dunno. [speaker001:] So did you enjoy your clay modelling? [speaker003:] Yes. Of course. This is my job. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah? [vocalsound] Was it a nice way to create your remote control? [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah, it's uh it's good, to to create a control instead of a computer. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yeah, I think I find it really funny and amazing and interesting to go through all the process to [disfmarker] from the beginning to the end. And designing, looking at the chips, the solar cells and uh and it was very [vocalsound] informative for [gap]. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] And for the marketing guy? [speaker004:] Uh tha that was good but we should have more brainstorming like meetings, maybe. [speaker002:] Yep [vocalsound]. [speaker004:] 'Cause we just presenting one is presenting his stuff next one his stuff and then we try to combine afterwards, so it [disfmarker] um. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker002:] Okay, okay. [speaker001:] And new ideas about new products, maybe, wi which would be fashion and uh and yellow. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yellow. [vocalsound] I think you can think about a yellow TV now after [disfmarker] [vocalsound] a fruit TV or I dunno. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] It can be an interesting I don't know [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yes, just lemon. [speaker002:] Yeah, just a lemon TV it'd be [vocalsound] yellow lemon. [speaker003:] Yeah, but y you know the traditional TV it's um [disfmarker] [speaker002:] It's flat, uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah yeah it's flat, [speaker001:] Squared? [speaker003:] yeah the shape is very boring. [speaker002:] Yeah, that's right. It's really boring, yeah. [speaker003:] Could we come up with new TV with [disfmarker] such as this kind of TV? [speaker002:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] So you can [disfmarker] [vocalsound] you have base, triangle base so you the TV you can [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Ah, the lemon TV with the pineapple remote control. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah, that's [disfmarker] that would be really interesting, actually. [speaker003:] Yeah. Yeah. Because the TV you [vocalsound] also [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Oh, that's interesting. You could f we could do a kind of fruit collection of electronics things. Electronic device. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [gap] Device devi [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah, but just don't trust too much the trends. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] The fruit? [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker004:] 'Cause fruit and vegetables it won't last for ten years uh. [speaker001:] Maybe [disfmarker] Yeah, maybe la next year it will be insects. [speaker002:] Yeah, it's [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Maybe two years it's dead. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] But I think it's good to follow the f flow and you know make it now and after, you know, if the people change their mind you change also the product. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker004:] Yeah, but this is good because it's not a long long life product. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] TV is more like fifteen years, maybe, so. [speaker002:] Yeah, yeah. That's a [disfmarker] yeah, yeah. [speaker004:] If you have a lemon lemon TV for [speaker002:] We can think about TV with you know where you can change you know the aspects o like for the cell phones, you know. [speaker004:] fifteen years [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Customable TV. [speaker002:] Yeah, you customise it every ti so every ti if people change, you just change the appearance, and y y you can keep [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah, yeah. [speaker001:] Ah such [disfmarker] yeah. You've already said mobile phones. [speaker004:] Tha that would that would make it. Yeah. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker002:] Yeah, you can keep the global appearan [speaker001:] Yeah, and following [disfmarker] [speaker002:] The mood of persons, the fashions uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker002:] We int [vocalsound] [speaker001:] It's interesting, maybe we can create a a line of uh TV with uh a a tr [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] Yeah, TV, yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] A TV for autumn and a TV for winter, you know, so it's [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] So what i and do w is it [vocalsound] [disfmarker] Okay. [speaker001:] So I think the costs are within the budget. We're just at twelve fifty Euros. [speaker002:] Yeah, the pr [gap] at [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yep. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] So [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] do you think you can celebrate your creation? [speaker003:] And you can celebrate your leadership. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Oh, thanks a lot. [vocalsound] Thank you, mister David Jordan. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yeah but I think f [vocalsound] it's really a celebrating object. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker002:] So it's yellow and very [disfmarker] a very ha it's very happy, so. [speaker004:] Hmm. Yeah. It's party party remote control. [speaker002:] Uh it's it's a pr it's like [disfmarker] yeah. [speaker001:] The thing now is to to sell it. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah, it's your job. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah, [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Sell it. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] right, go and sell it. Goo and good luck, so [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah. Okay and the twelve fifty [disfmarker] twelve uh twelve [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Uh-huh. Twenty five Euros. [speaker003:] Twenty five Euros, yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah, I think it's [vocalsound] [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] It should be fine. [speaker003:] Twenty five Euros. [speaker001:] It's maybe a little bit expensive. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] It's cheap, yeah. [vocalsound] No, I [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] No, it's not so expensive. [speaker004:] I'm not so happy about the fruit shape, you know. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Wh really? [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] It should be it should be fine, you know, actually. [vocalsound] S [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker001:] Maybe what you can do a test. Put it outside, and if bees come, [vocalsound] it's really fruit. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] I I think I like [vocalsound] the the colour a the colour are very good, so actually so [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Okay. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] But don't put sugar in it, it's not working. [speaker004:] No, the colours are uh [disfmarker] it's perfect, yeah. [speaker002:] It's perfect, and [disfmarker] [speaker004:] True. Uh yeah, another thing is the logo is missing still. [speaker002:] I p is th y [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah, but the colour, I think the colour is more [disfmarker] is most important, [speaker002:] the the yellow ball thing that [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] because I I don't think you have ever seen something like that before for a remote control. [speaker004:] Still that was one of the requirements we had. It's [disfmarker] yeah but it [disfmarker] I don't think it's such a problem just putting the logo somewhere. [speaker002:] Uh f like y we can we can put some uh double R [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah, but we decided to have something yellow and red, for the costs. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] So maybe we can just integrate it on th on one side, the double R. [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker002:] Okay yeah, yeah. That's actually good idea, so [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker001:] So we have the logo, we have the colour, and we have the fashion in electronics, [speaker003:] So we have to give a [disfmarker] [speaker001:] so we have the slogan too. [speaker003:] So we have give him [disfmarker] give it a cute name. [speaker002:] [gap] [speaker004:] Cute na [speaker001:] Yeah [speaker003:] Mush mushroom controller. [speaker001:] th no, it's the it's the pineapple control [disfmarker] remote control. [speaker004:] You cannot say mushroom because it's not the trend. [speaker002:] It's not a mushroom. [speaker001:] It's a pineapple now, it has changed. It's a pineapple. [speaker004:] It's not the trend. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] It's a pineapple remote controls. [speaker003:] Pa [speaker001:] Pineapple. [speaker003:] Pine apple. [speaker002:] Yeah, pineapple remote remote control. [speaker004:] Yeah, but just flying saucer, or [disfmarker] [speaker001:] With cherry on top. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Oh, that [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker004:] I would say flying saucer. [speaker002:] Oh unid uh unidentified remote control, so [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] It's more appropriate, somehow. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Okay. Okay. [speaker002:] That's that's pineapple remote control. I think it's fine. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker001:] Will you buy one? [speaker002:] Yeah. Yeah I will try [vocalsound] I'll try [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Try to. Okay uh [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Twenty five [vocalsound] Euro. [speaker002:] [gap]. I can hel I will try versions so to see how easy easy to manage [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Okay. Yeah you told me you h you d you d you lost your control your TV [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah I always lose my [disfmarker] Yeah, so so i if it is a universal one I can use it with my TV, so it would be [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] so you need to buy one. Okay. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] One thing I like is the shape, because you know it's not like the uh the remote controls you can put in your pocket, on uh in your jacket. [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker002:] [gap] [speaker003:] Traditional one? Yeah. So this one and this one. What do you choose? [speaker001:] I prefer the laser remote control. [vocalsound] No. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] I think I would choose this one because of the colour. It's [speaker003:] [vocalsound] What do you choose? Okay. [speaker002:] it's will enlight your house, your home and your TV, so. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Oh. Maybe next if we decide to do something we'd [disfmarker] can put light inside. [speaker002:] Yeah, yeah that would be uh an idea. [speaker004:] Yeah but that's going to be expensive, you know. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] We had some problems [vocalsound] going to twelve Euros and uh I dunno. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [gap]. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] I think it it would be interesting to [disfmarker] just to see if we can [disfmarker] if people will buy this one, and maybe add some features to it after yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah, afterwards, if [speaker003:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker004:] if it's a new trend. Okay. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah that's that fine. [speaker001:] So [disfmarker] [speaker002:] So we can celebrate now. That's our new product. [speaker001:] Champagne [gap], mister Baba. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] We should celebrate. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yes. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] It's it's fine. It's [disfmarker] I like it [vocalsound]. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Next time. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] So buy one. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Well, I'll buy one here. [speaker003:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] So [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker001:] Okay, I will close this. Mm. [speaker002:] Yeah. No? [speaker001:] [vocalsound] So I think we have finished the designing and the evaluation of our remote control [speaker002:] Okay. Okay. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] and we have a nearly final product. [speaker004:] Our final prototype which [disfmarker] yeah. [speaker002:] Final prototype, yeah, ye yeah. [speaker001:] Final prototype, right. [speaker003:] Prototype, yeah. [speaker001:] So, [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker001:] thank you very much. [speaker002:] Okay. [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker001:] Very productive. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Okay. Thanks. [speaker002:] S so who is going to take the remote control?

[speaker002:] That should hopefully do the trick, um. 'Kay. Sorry about the small delay. Falling a little bit behind schedule. And that's uh fifteen twenty five. Okay. So just to try and roughly go over what we agreed in the last one, um we're gonna go for something uh uh how was it? Uh The new black, I believe. [speaker003:] [gap]. [speaker002:] Um something that looks good 'cause that seems to be in preference to actual functionality in the end, though we should never avoid functionality, of course. Uh many of our components are gonna be standard, off the shelf, but it seemed like we were gonna require at least an advanced chip and we were still very much for the idea of using an LCD display. Um other things were we were hoping to use rubber, most likely gonna be double curved, etcetera. Okay. So um due to your hard work, we might as well let the uh two designers go first, and uh show us the prototype. [speaker001:] Okay, it's a [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Quite how the best way to do this is, I'm not sure, [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [gap] I think if we both step up [speaker002:] but [disfmarker] [speaker001:] and uh outline our ideas. Okay. Now do [disfmarker] uh doing the prototype gave us a bit more insight into the ergonomics of the design. Um for one thing, it turned out that the only point at which it needs to be articulated for handedness is um is h i is down here for the uh LED. As it turned out, the whole thing transfers from the right to left hand fairly well from the point of view of operating the uh function buttons and joystick, though it might be an idea to be able to a adjust the positions for the base of the joystick just a little bit for uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] [gap] ju just a thought. You could simply have a slightly ovoid shaped joystick that could then just be turn uh twisted round, so that the uh sticky uh so that the bit that sticks out a bit more is on one side or the other. But as you as you see with the uh [vocalsound] with holding it in the left hand, the L uh the LCD is nowhere useful, so that would need to be articulated uh if we're going to retain [gap] ergonomic design. Um now I I got your note about uh keeping the cost down. [speaker002:] I'm afraid yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] We'll go into that a bit more, but please go on. [speaker001:] [gap] this design could be done with um with uh plastic casing. Though I would recommend around the grip part here in the middle, having maybe just a rubber grip over that which would allow for a slightly more sort of bio-morphic form, and a bit more ergonomic as well. As for the um as for the single curve, um well this edge and this edge, like I say it would be nice to have some curvature to it, but it's not absolutely necessary. Really the curve that's most needed is the underside so that the jo so that the joystick rests over the the edge of the hand like this. Um and you have the uh transmitter here and a wee speaker for the uh for the uh for the uh fi uh for the remote control finder. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] So. Any further comments? [speaker004:] Um obviously it's gonna be bulkier than how it looks, because it's gonna be flat on one side, so the LCD will be s sticking down like this, won't it? [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. Yeah. [speaker004:] 'Cause it [disfmarker] you can't get it curved. Uh because of costs. [speaker001:] Yeah, I mean the uh [disfmarker] Yeah. [speaker004:] And it's plastic as well, so it won't be as comfortable on the hand. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] Yeah. I mean with the with the rubber design it could i you know it could pretty much mould very much to the to the user's hand. One nice wee feature if we could if we could still do the rubber, I though of was to have [gap] the uh rubber extend beyond the end of the uh [vocalsound] of the rigid substructure. So it has a wee sort of tail that you just drape over your wrist so it stays in position nicely. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Mm. Lovely. Um. [speaker004:] Yeah, [gap]. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Okay, yeah. Great. Um. [speaker003:] Right. Yeah I've got a [disfmarker] if you load up my evaluation document. [speaker002:] Yeah, okay [gap]. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] Excellent work. [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker002:] Um. [speaker003:] Uh evaluation. [vocalsound] Basic point uh have a list of criteria that we need to rate the prototype by. [vocalsound] Um then we will [disfmarker] it's a seven s um seven seven step kinda evaluation process. So um not seven steps, seven scale. So after we've finished doing all the ratings for each criteria, we average that and that will give us some type of uh confidence in our prototype. And uh the criteria [gap] based on Real Reactions' kinda goals and policies, marketing strategies, and also those I put together from the user requirements phase. 'Kay. Um if you flip the [disfmarker] [vocalsound] So, those are the criteria. And uh perhaps I could have put 'em a bit better, but you notice a few things that we've totally abandoned, which means [vocalsound] that uh the product will score very badly on some of those points. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Put it mildly. So we have um true? One, t Seven, eight, oh. Fourth. Okay, so we have to go through each point. If we imagine it's actually straight, and just give it a a score. So um how well would you say the prototype is uh how well have we realised the dream of being able to stop remotes from from being lost, or to be able to find them once they are lost. I mean, uh is the homing thing still [disfmarker] the locator, is that still [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah, that's still part of the design. [speaker003:] Sure. And Adam, we can keep that in? [speaker002:] Yeah, I believe so. So [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker002:] I mean I don't think anybody could actually stop a remote being lost, 'cause that would mean doing something about the human element, [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Sure. [speaker002:] but I'd like to think that we've done something about finding the damn thing once we have. [speaker003:] T [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker003:] Sure. [speaker001:] Mm. And making it a bright colour helps with the [disfmarker] personally I would have gone for purple [gap]. [speaker003:] Mm. Bright colour. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] So we still have that noise thing, yeah? [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] Os on a scale of one to seven, how would you guys rate it for finding [gap] finding it once it's lost? [speaker001:] I'd say number one. [speaker003:] Number one? [speaker004:] One. Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Okay. Number number one for the first criteria. [speaker001:] I think w if it was just the sounder then th [gap] I mean something I've found with uh w w with say tr trying to find uh a cordless phone or a m mobile, you can hear it, but you can't quite pin it dow pin down where it is. [speaker003:] Yeah you can tell what room the mobile is [disfmarker] [speaker004:] What about [disfmarker] what if the the volume on the TV's turned up massively and uh you just wanna turn down the volume [gap] can't find remote. [speaker001:] Bu [speaker004:] Suppose you have to go to the TV and do it manually. Mm. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Mm. Um [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Like y you wouldn't hear the speaker [gap]. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] just before we go through all of the steps here, um well what we'll do is [speaker003:] You wanna say something? [speaker002:] um if we can look at the criteria you're gonna evaluate, and then we'll come back to the product evaluation if that's alright. [speaker003:] That's fine. [speaker002:] Yeah, is that [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Oh that's that's fine. [speaker002:] Um so is there anything here that you that you wanted to cover as in the criteria that you've covered? And then we'll come back pretty much promptly to this. [speaker003:] What do you mean cr is there anything I wanna [disfmarker] [speaker002:] I is there any of these criteria that need any explaining? Or is there anything that yous thought tha really would stand out compared to the others? [speaker003:] Um, a few. [vocalsound] Something I neglected from my initial research is that Real Reactions has a a goal strategy that all of the products be inspired by material fashion, and clothing fashion. That is why fruit and veg being popular in the home and in clothing was important and they want all their products to be somehow inspired by current trends in fashion. So they say we put the fashion in electronics, well they really mean it they they're very big on fashion, so. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker003:] That's this bit right here. And uh this bit is this one easy to use for visitors or for anybody? I guess it's just the same as saying easy to use interface, so it's kinda condensed into one. And we can come back to it, you said. So. [speaker002:] Okay. No and which we will do very very shortly. Um. Okay. Slight problem we had was that we have an amazing four Euros over budget for what we were hoping to do. Um most of it stems from the use of the LCD which I think in the end accounted for about half of our expenditure because of course we required a chip as well. Um the only way to get this down was either to ditch the a LCD, at which point we've removed a large part of how we were gonna interface, [gap] require more buttons, etcetera. Or what we did was that we um we as in I as I was quickly going over it was altering the actual structure. Um changing it to plastic and a solid unit with a single curve design would allow us to come back into the um proposed costs and we're just scraping it in, we've got point two of a Euro left over there. So we're just managing it really. Even then as well, um there was no criteria technically defined for a joystick so I've used what I think's appropriate. With any luck that won't mean that we've incurred more cost than we can actually afford to. It blows a lot of our really good ideas kind of slightly to one side, for example the possibility of having a USB connection is definitely not viable now. Um. [speaker003:] Different languages? [speaker002:] That should still be viable. We've got an advanced chip, we've got the use of the LCD. So being able to communicate in multiple languages is still very much a possibility. [speaker003:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Um but what's something we need to decide on is how we're gonna go from here. [vocalsound] We do need to try and come up with an idea which could be continued with other people if need be. Um. We can I can bring the excel up sheet up and uh show you if you wish um. I really think as m much as it pains me is that we might have to go with plastic and some kind of solid design, possibly meaning that the LCD wouldn't be in this perfect place. It might be s stuck like slightly between what would be good for left handed and what would be good for a right handed person. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm I suppose o one thing that could be done is h [vocalsound] is have it um circular and have it s [vocalsound] so that the uh the pink [gap] actually goes a bit over the pinkie finger. Mm. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker001:] So that uh th [speaker002:] It very much is about making concessions, unfortunately. Um. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker003:] Do you have any data on how much um different prints cost? I mean can you get the entire thing printed with a design um? [speaker002:] Um b b b da is [disfmarker] you mean on the plastic, or? [speaker003:] [gap]. [speaker002:] Let's have a look. You now have as much information as I do. [vocalsound] Um. [speaker003:] Yeah, yeah. [speaker002:] So as you can see here, for example, the battery really not very little choice in that one. We've gone for one of the cheaper options as well. Unfortunately we require the advanced chip if we're gonna do what we're needing to. I've said single curved. We really do need it to be that way for the ergonomics of it. Um plastic for some reason incurs no cost, which I've had to very much make advantage of, despite the fact that rubber's only got a value of two Euros per unit. Problem comes here as you can see in the interface. Um if I've read this thing correctly, then we can save point five of a Euro here in that it's not per push button. That might make sense, because then a numeric keypad would come in at um what, four point five Euros, which is an awful lot, so that could well be wrong. Even if we save point five there, it would just mean that we're most likely placing it in actually just gaining a colour for the unit, which has had to be put to one side. As you can see, the use of an LC display um advanced chip and what would determine the scroll wheel here as well because it's an integrated scroll scroll wheel push button that wasn't quite what I think they had in mind with a joystick. [speaker003:] Why would why would that be more expensive than an individual push button and scroll wheel together? That's quite significantly expensive. [speaker002:] I [disfmarker] that's something you'll have to take up with the bean counters. Um [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [gap]. [speaker001:] Mm. [gap] yeah. [speaker002:] as you can see I mean that's taken up well over half of the price. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] So um I'm very much open to suggestions of where we go, but because we need to shed what was four Euros off of the um the price of for what we really desired, this one comes in under price as you can see, but this was the one that sacrificed the material for the case and for the actual case design. [speaker003:] We don't even have uh speakers here. The [disfmarker] like uh we uh [disfmarker] what about speakers and transmitters and stuff like that? Have we factored that in? [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker002:] Uh no, we haven't, not [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Transmitter, receiver, speakers. Plus the extra device itself that's gonna be on a TV. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Is that gonna be a button, or [disfmarker] [speaker002:] That'll [gap] it literally would just be a button. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] That's too expensive [gap] [speaker002:] We might have to [disfmarker] [speaker004:] isn't it? [speaker002:] It looks like almost nothing [disfmarker] Mm. Oh good call, I missed that. [speaker003:] I I mean it's not on here, but um. [speaker002:] [gap] that's a very valid point. [speaker003:] Did they s do we have to use an advanced chip for the LCD? [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Okay. Well that's [disfmarker] yeah. [speaker002:] So if we're gonna go with the LC display, then that's [disfmarker] [speaker003:] What's a hand dyna dynamo? You have to wind it up? [speaker002:] I believe so, yeah. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] That would probably not be in keeping with the um the fashion statement and such, [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Technology. Yeah. [speaker004:] Fashion. [speaker002:] yeah. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker004:] So basically the only new thing is the LCD on the remote now. [speaker002:] Being manipulated by the joystick, yeah. [speaker004:] Oh, and joystick, yeah. [speaker002:] Which I'm defining as scroll wheel. Um. [speaker003:] And we couldn't replace the joystick, right? Because we would need four extra buttons to replace it, up down left and right, and that would be more expensive than a [disfmarker] but is a scroll wheel not just back and forward? [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker002:] Yeah it's just because there was no actual definition for what a joystick might be, that that's what I've labelled it for the purposes of this evaluation. [speaker004:] So [disfmarker] The LCD basically is the big selling point of [speaker002:] If we remove the LC display, we could save ourselves [speaker004:] the remote. [speaker002:] a fair amount. Which you could [vocalsound] [disfmarker] [speaker004:] But that's what makes it uh original though, isn't it? [speaker001:] Mm. I think [gap] if we remove the the LC display then there was absolutely no point to any of these meetings [speaker003:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] and we just [gap] we could just put our branding on any other remote control. [speaker003:] Yeah. Yeah. Um. Uh k [speaker002:] It's a shame. We should possibly have [disfmarker] If we could've increased the price we could've manufactured that and we could've got something far closer to what we were hoping to. [speaker003:] Does this does this bear in mind that [disfmarker] I mean it's a bit ridiculous that they're gonna charge us what is it, like this much money for three million if we're gonna buy three million components, you know. [speaker002:] Again, you'll have to argue with the accountants on that one. [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker002:] Um but for the purposes of this meeting, I'm [disfmarker] we're gonna have to stick with these figures. [speaker003:] 'Kay. [speaker002:] So, I would say that it would seem like the general opinion is we're gonna keep the LC display 'cause it's about what really separates us, [vocalsound] [speaker003:] I think so. [speaker002:] despite the cost it's gonna incur. Um are people maybe not happy with, but are willing to go ahead with this in going for a plastic solid case, to keep the LCD? [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. Um yeah [gap] I mean one thing, I mean ho uh how much extra would it be to to keep I mean [vocalsound] keep the um the articulation? [speaker002:] It's hard to tell. Um I would say that you're at least gonna take double curved, [speaker001:] This is what I'm wondering. [speaker002:] and even then I'm not quite sure if that's incorporating the idea of articulation. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Oh no, I think I I it d that it needn't require it to be double curved. [speaker004:] It can be s yeah, it can still be single curved, but [disfmarker] [speaker001:] It's uh it's just [vocalsound] it's just [vocalsound] it's just that the case would come in t [vocalsound] would be made in two parts and then joined together with an articulation. [speaker004:] You just [gap]. [speaker002:] Single curved with articulation? [speaker003:] Could we could we not get rid of the curvy the curvous the curvaceousness and focus on the menu being the best interface? 'Cause like we [disfmarker] do we have re restrictions on software? [speaker004:] That's what we need for the joystick I think though. [speaker003:] Oh but there has to be [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Mm. Yeah, I mean and [vocalsound] I mean the uh I mean if you look uh if you look closer at the uh at the prototype here, the lines here along the grip are actually quite straight. Um I mean [gap] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] But the curves all o over [gap] hand, [speaker001:] yeah, on the [gap] on the LCD I mean although we've done it with a curve it [speaker002:] is it? [speaker001:] could just as easily be done um without curves. The curve that's really needed is up here, [speaker003:] [gap] joystick. [speaker001:] to put uh to keep the joystick in a good ergonomic position for it to have it rest on the top of the hand. [speaker003:] Okay. Sure. Okay, my bad. [speaker002:] We wouldn't actually save a lot by reducing it anyway, so I mean for the purposes of this meeting maybe we can state that single curve still allows articulation. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker002:] Um unless we hear otherwise we could go ahead with that proposal. [speaker003:] So I think the product is not gonna perform so well for my criteria. [speaker002:] Which is what we can get onto now. As long as [disfmarker] so are we gonna say [disfmarker] [gap] w we have to keep an eye on the time as well, but we're gonna say um single curved design [vocalsound] [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Oh, wait a minute. Sample speaker? What is a sample speaker? Is that somewhat similar to what we want? [speaker002:] It could well be, [speaker001:] Mm no [speaker002:] but at a cost of [disfmarker] [speaker001:] that's that voice response thing that we got the email about. [speaker004:] Costs four. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] But I thought it was just completely pointless. [speaker003:] You got a email about voice response? [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] I did not, so. [speaker001:] Alright. B i basically it was [gap] saying that our labs had come up with a chip that you could, you know, say hello to, and it would say hello back in a friendly female voice [gap]. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Okay, yeah we'll definitely won't go with that one. [speaker003:] We won't go with that one, did you say? I mean I [disfmarker] we [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah, that's voice recognition, so. [speaker003:] Okay, okay. [speaker002:] Um. So, okay yeah, battery definitely, [disfmarker] [speaker003:] So it looks like we're gonna get rid of the whole loca [vocalsound] locator thing. [speaker002:] It looks like it unless we can manage to put it in under point two Euros, um. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Okay. [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker002:] Maybe even slight [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] well oh yeah, pretty much point two Euros, I'd say. So we'll leave that one for now. [gap] we'll just have [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Are we going for a special colour at all? [speaker002:] It's uh a case of um I'm uh slightly unsure. One [disfmarker] point five of a Euro for one push button doesn't sound quite right. So maybe it's a case of a push button is maybe one or more. Um. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker004:] Well I was [gap] for a case. [speaker002:] At which point if [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Or had you already incorporated that? [speaker003:] Oh, special colour for the case. [speaker002:] Well you got point five there. It's literally a case of whether or not this is correct. I'm not quite sure if they're [disfmarker] I don't think they mean point five Euros per button. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Okay, well l let's say that and then we can have our special coloured case [speaker002:] So [speaker001:] and then we at least have [disfmarker] make it a little harder to lose. [speaker002:] There we go. [speaker001:] Because most m most remotes are a fairly dingy colour that gets camouflaged under any pile of crap in a living room. [speaker003:] W what's the default colour? White or black? [speaker002:] Black's probably the normal colour you'd say, [speaker001:] Or grey. [speaker002:] yeah. [speaker003:] Right. [speaker002:] I quite like that colour that you're fetching there, [speaker001:] Yellow. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] it's uh definitely for make it glow in the dark even better. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] So will we go with that then? [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] It's not and we can see [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Sure. [speaker002:] we'll come back to uh your evaluation which you're probably now going to pan us but there we go. [speaker003:] Okay. Okay. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] So uh [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Just to give you an idea, um you want to go maybe a bit quickly as well, I'm not sure how much time. We've not hit the five minute mark warning yet, [speaker003:] Right okay. Okay. [speaker002:] but. [speaker004:] Think it's ten minutes left. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Ten. [speaker003:] 'Kay. Ability to stop remotes from being lost or to find them once they are lost. Um. Okay. [speaker004:] Special colour. [speaker003:] Special colour. [speaker002:] Mm mm four? [speaker003:] Uh uh four. [speaker002:] Three? Mm. [speaker003:] Three if we're being generous, I feel. [speaker001:] Three. I think we can do three. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Three. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Th the special colour doesn't [disfmarker] would I think make a difference. [speaker003:] Think we're being generous here with three. [speaker001:] It makes it stand out from [disfmarker] you know it's lost in a big pile of crap, it stands out from the rest of the crap. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Mm. Yeah. [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker003:] Reduce the number of unused buttons. We're down to t two buttons, is it? [speaker002:] Two buttons. [speaker001:] Two buttons and a joystick. [speaker003:] Okay, so that's a one. You know, where that's [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Totally. [speaker002:] Yeah. I'd say we're doing well there. [speaker003:] Okay, that was good. Easy to use interface, buttons menu, menus [gap] that's yeah [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] that's good. [vocalsound] 'Kay that's [disfmarker] we're not doing so badly. Um [vocalsound] easy to use [disfmarker] oh okay, let's forget that one. Fancy looking. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] As he models the [disfmarker] [speaker001:] It doesn't get much fancier. [speaker003:] Sure. And we could do whatever we like with the L LCD. Yeah let's just assume it's a good LCD display. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Maybe I was panicking for no reason. [speaker004:] Are we going one on [gap]? [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yeah, [speaker004:] I'd say we go two, 'cause like f the fanciest would be the double curved. Wouldn't it? [speaker002:] I'd [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker003:] w maybe you'd be a bit too [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] yeah. There we go. Yeah, [speaker004:] With the articulators. With bells on it. [speaker003:] that's m that's that's better too. More accurate numbers. Technologically innovative. Well, we're getting rid of the locator thing which which [speaker002:] Which is a shame. [speaker003:] yeah [vocalsound] [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Mm. I'd give it a three for this [disfmarker] for that. [speaker004:] No need for teletext. [speaker003:] [gap]. [speaker001:] Yeah. I mean the menus thing is something you don't normally see on um on a remote, [speaker003:] 'Kay. [speaker001:] but [vocalsound] you see it in a lot of other places. [speaker003:] Yeah, mobile phones. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker003:] And y what you're doing is moving the menu from the television to the remote control, so it's [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] You say three? I might go as far as two on that. Three. [speaker001:] I'd give it a three. [speaker002:] I'd be tempted with three, yeah. [speaker003:] Three. Okay. Okay. [speaker002:] We'll get panned on the next one, anyway. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Materials that people find pleasing. Sponginess is what they really would have wanted, apparently. [speaker002:] Yeah, w It is, yeah. Don't blame them. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Um because of the way that we've minimalised the number of buttons and such. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Plastic, it sucks. But it's no worse than any of the other pl remote controls we have. [speaker003:] That's true. It's not a step backwards. [speaker004:] [gap] five? [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. I'd s I I'd give it a six, to be honest. [speaker004:] Six? Six, [gap]. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yeah, okay let's give it a six. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Okay, that's totally thrown everything off balance. Inspired by the latest interior and clothing fashion. W we could. What colour were we gonna make it? [speaker004:] Put a leopard print on it. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Well I I I would sa I would say give a s give a selection of colours. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] I know, [speaker001:] Um we went with yellow we went with yellow for the prototype [speaker003:] but [disfmarker] [speaker001:] 'cause we had yellow. If I were buying one, I'd go for purple. Leopard print would be cool. [speaker003:] But um by this I think it's more a case of fruit and veg, [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah we gotta [gap]. I'd say the colour of the border there world [disfmarker] you'd find that, [gap] that's that'd stand out. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker002:] Like yellow, yeah. It would also help keep the the product placement [speaker004:] Logo, brand. [speaker002:] s yeah. [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker004:] Mm 'kay. [speaker003:] But [disfmarker] Th th they're referring to the fruit and veg thing. [speaker002:] Is it inspired by [gap] clothing fashion? [speaker003:] Is this like a banana type colour? [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yes. [speaker003:] Could we stretch [disfmarker] no still, it's not shaped like a banana is [disfmarker] [speaker002:] It's kind o it [speaker001:] That's kinda [disfmarker] [gap] i [speaker002:] probably [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] it won't be when it's been [speaker003:] Oh is that 'cause it's flat? [speaker001:] budgeted. [speaker003:] What is [disfmarker] what fruit or veg is flat? [speaker001:] I I think s I I think this isn't [disfmarker] not particularly fruit and veggie. Um. [speaker003:] Yeah. Or we might have to suffer badly for this one as well. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yellow courgette. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Well [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] I mean it's probably more fruit and veg than most other things out there bar fruit and veg, so, [vocalsound] what, four? [speaker003:] Four? Oh that's it's very ambitious, [speaker002:] Is that being too generous? [speaker001:] Mm. I'd [vocalsound] I'd I don't think fruit and veg is the sole criterion. [vocalsound] Is the sole criterion for being um fashion [gap] fashionable or inspired by current fashions. [speaker003:] yeah, um. [speaker002:] Oh dear, [gap]. [speaker003:] Sure. Inspired by [gap]. [speaker001:] Um I'd g I'd rate I'd rate this fairly highly from that point of view actually. [speaker004:] Well this this what we're gonna t this is their motto, like. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] And we're we're not doing well on it. [speaker003:] This is their strategy. I m imagine we actually had some money invested in this and the amount that we invest is gonna be proportional to the marks. Might [disfmarker] we might wanna be a bit more skepible sceptical about this one. [speaker002:] What would you think yourself? [speaker003:] I would say [disfmarker] I mean it's it's not at all, right? [vocalsound] In any way or shape or form. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Well, [speaker003:] We didn't m [speaker002:] it's kind of curved and we can make it yellow, and that's pretty much banana like. [speaker003:] Okay, the the yellow banana like thing is I think is okay. [speaker002:] Si it's got a curve to it. [speaker003:] Right five. Is that [vocalsound] sound reasonable? [speaker002:] Am I [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah, I'll go with five. [speaker002:] do you think I'm stretching the uh the use of the banana? [speaker003:] Five. [vocalsound] Yeah. 'Kay, so we have one, two, three, four, five, six, seven. So five, seven, ten, sixteen, twenty one. Which gives us an average of three. It's [disfmarker] well this would be in the middle. So we it's it's not bad. It's in the good section. [speaker002:] It's not bad and considering the [vocalsound] [disfmarker] don't pick the pen. Um. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Oops. Sorry. [vocalsound] I'm I'm sorry. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Y oh and you've knocked batteries out. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Um right okay [speaker004:] 'S bad design, that thing. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] it's [disfmarker] [vocalsound] considering the price we had to get this in, to have a positive [disfmarker] you know, even based on the four of us being heavily biased, um [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. Yeah. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] it was gonna be quite hard to get anything standing out I'd say possibly, based on um the the cost features. [speaker004:] Mm, yeah. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker003:] Even if we were to increase this entire thing by by seven, we were to go down a grade to to four, we would have to do [disfmarker] I mean we didn't we weren't that kinda optimistic too optim overly optimistic. You know like we didn't we didn't add we didn't subtract a whole seven points from these things, so I think we're definitely on the good bit. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Even if we gave this one seven and this one seven, that's still only three extra points over seven. You know, it's [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Mm. Personally, I think given that the product um only replaces a single remote control [speaker003:] yeah, we did it w it was okay. It was good. [speaker001:] that you've already got, are people really gonna shell out twenty five Euros for something that's only marginally good? [speaker004:] Well, it depends who your [disfmarker] who's [disfmarker] what the target people are, like you'd say maybe the fashion conscious [speaker002:] Maybe it's been targeted [disfmarker] [speaker004:] women would be going, oh look at that, 's cool, it looks like a [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] it's yellow, looks like a banana, it's cool it's gotta [disfmarker] look good in the sitting room. [speaker002:] Hide it in the fruit basket. [speaker004:] Rather than the LCD whereas uh more technical like like more uh people in with the latest technology [gap] it's good, it's got an LCD screen 's only got two buttons and a joystick. So, which which kind of people would be more likely to buy it? [speaker002:] Probably the people technologically. They're usually the ones that buy pointless stuff. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] I think so. I mean my mum still has not learnt how to use text messaging on her phone, and she's had it for a long time, you know. She uses it to make phone calls and that's it. [speaker004:] [gap]. [speaker003:] Yeah. So I think if sh if my mum saw a remote control like this with only two buttons and a joystick, I mean that'll probably be the first one she decides not to buy, you know. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] She'd be like is this a remote control, I don't [disfmarker] how do you use it, and stuff like that. So even if it is really user friendly to us, but we're used to using menus all the time. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. I s [vocalsound] I suppose one thing is that b because it's technically innovative, um for someone who's sort of technophobic, the fact that it simply looks unfamiliar would be daunting. [speaker003:] Yeah. Yeah. I think it's totally uh radical to have a remote control with no no numbered buttons, [speaker001:] Um. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] But like radical good, maybe. [speaker002:] Okay. Um don't know how lo much longer we've got. At least five minutes I think. Um quickly we'll pop onto project evaluation. Um. So, we've got these uh four criteria here for uh satisfaction. Does anybody want to um um do you have any opinions on any of them? For example um [disfmarker] we'll work backwards I suppose. The ability to work on this project using the technology we've been presented with. Um [gap] people made good use of the uh pen and paper? I would say [gap] [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Wrote nearly a page, [speaker001:] Yeah, got notes and doodles. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] but not [gap]. [speaker002:] I'm not quite sure what the advantage for us using a digital pen might be. [speaker003:] I think tracking. [speaker001:] Well I think this is a [disfmarker] I think the digital pen's mostly for the benefit of the uh of the researchers studying this. It's all p goes into their corpus. Though it would have been nice to be able to transfer the um [speaker002:] It must [disfmarker] [speaker001:] transfer our n our paper notes onto the uh computer ourselves. [speaker003:] Yeah, that woulda been pretty good. [speaker002:] It does seem like the paper's still a heavy consideration for taking notes. So maybe this is literally just a way around it. Um I dunno. How are people satisfied with the teamwork we've managed to display today? [speaker004:] Good. [speaker001:] [gap]. [speaker003:] I'd [disfmarker] yeah I liked it, yeah. [speaker002:] Leadership. As much as can be leadered in this uh thing. [speaker004:] Very good. [speaker003:] I li yeah, top marks. [speaker002:] Um last one we've got is room for creativity. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Well [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Now, [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Unti uh uh until uh until accounts came along, [speaker002:] I think we got [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [gap] squish. [speaker004:] We're burs bursting with creativity. [speaker003:] yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah [speaker003:] We we're not lacking in ideas, you know it's [disfmarker] that was not the problem. [speaker002:] I think of [disfmarker] in the end, ideas that can be used [gap] sadly [gap]. Not so much that we weren't full of ideas, but of ones that are gonna allow us to actually build the thing. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] It's a bit of a pity. Um I would have to agree on that. I think we needed a larger budget. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] If you're going to aim your a um product maybe at the technological kind of sector, then you can afford to maybe jack the price up slightly from what it is. Because they will pay outrageous cash to [gap] [speaker001:] Yeah. Mm. I mean I th [vocalsound] I mean I think to r retaining the s the more sort of bio-morphic form in the articulation would gain more in s uh would gain more profit in sales than it would lose in uh [speaker002:] first on the market. [speaker001:] in added expense. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker004:] And the price was like [disfmarker] it was twice the w assembly cost. And would it have to be twice that? It could be like coulda had the assembly [gap] like maybe fifteen Euro. [speaker002:] It could even [disfmarker] [speaker004:] We'll still settle for twenty five [vocalsound]. [speaker002:] That's true, yeah. [speaker004:] Maybe. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Um I suppose these are all that will have to be taken up with a at a different group at I guess. As to a [gap] the costs involved. But I mean we've got a a prototype. [speaker001:] Such as it is. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] So I dunno, I I think it's gone okay today, considering the information that we've had at our disposal, and um such. [speaker003:] Maybe the counts wou woulda been better if we had a list or more [disfmarker] Yeah, to begin with. [speaker004:] In the beginning, yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Probably would have [disfmarker] mean we could have come up with a lot more solid design in the end, [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] I would have to agree. It is very much a pity to um get so far into the stage and then find out that maybe some of your ideas are just a bit too expensive. Always hard to tell until you know the costs. Um. Okay. Are the costs within budget? [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Well, they are now that we have our slightly less than capable product. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker002:] We've evaluated it, and we can say that we came out with a value of three. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Actually I want th [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] one thing I would say [disfmarker] I mean something that could perhaps be part of the product mm the um m product testing market research process would be to uh produce mock-ups of both versions and see just how much of a difference the over [gap] going over-budget um m would make to sales. [speaker002:] It's [disfmarker] yeah? [speaker003:] And like response from consumers [gap]. [speaker001:] And we could even you know, market two versions. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Wee cheapie version with the nice bio-morphic rubber. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] And then the final one where you get to call it Hal. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Sure. [speaker002:] But we'll go into that later. [speaker001:] Yes. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Right um is there anything else that anybody would like to to add, um [gap] anything they think that's not been covered, before I quickly write up a final report. Um I dunno, I mean we've got a product. We maybe aren't as happy with it as we'd like to be, but we've got something we think we can maybe stick onto the the market and sell. And of course something we have been avoiding talking about 'cause of we've no information is selling them directly to the manufacturers. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] There is a huge market. I mean we've briefly touched on it but we've no more knowledge then there's little we can say on that. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker002:] Yeah. So um unless anybody's got anything they'd like to add, we can maybe round this up slightly earlier than we'd need to and then we can finish up the writing and such. [speaker001:] And I can get my bus. [speaker002:] Yeah? [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] Yeah. Okay, let's [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Uh thank you for your participation. [speaker003:] Thank you. [speaker001:] Thank you. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] I was actually kind of upset you know at the budget, and that we had to cut a lot of stuff. It's like man, we we can't have the locator thing. And s yeah that's just bad. Do you think maybe [gap] the prices were were made? [speaker002:] That [gap] a question we can ask [gap]. [vocalsound]

[speaker004:] Great man. Who starts? [speaker001:] Well I'll uh start just with another presentation, so then we can uh look at th at the agenda uh for this meeting. [speaker004:] Alright, great. Alright. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Okay. I've put some uh new things in the in the map. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Uh oh. [vocalsound] This is it. I don't know the shortcut, so [disfmarker] Ah F five. Well our functional design meeting, that's the stage we're in. [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker001:] And you also ha all three of you have uh prepared something about it. [speaker004:] Yes. [speaker001:] Well um in we'll uh just have a look at the at the notes from the previous meeting, what we uh thought we had dec decided. But uh [disfmarker] Uh then we'll uh look at uh the three uh presentations uh from you. [speaker004:] 'Kay. [speaker001:] I think you have prepared uh all three uh? [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Well, yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Um we'll look at th the new project requirements we uh [disfmarker] I dunno. Y you also have uh received that mail, the new project requirements from our bosses? [speaker003:] No. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] No. [speaker001:] Oh I've received a mail with uh some additional requirements, [speaker004:] You're the only one. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Oh. [speaker004:] Alright. [speaker001:] and I'll have a look if [disfmarker] Well I think we should show them before your presentations, because it's not really uh smart uh to uh to include some things uh we can't, because of the new requirements. [speaker004:] 'Kay. [speaker001:] Well um then we can make some decisions about our remote control functions. We have to deb we have to decide it in this meeting what our function will be. And then uh we can discuss uh some more closely. Uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] We have forty minutes for this uh discussion? [speaker001:] Uh yeah, I think so. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Alright. [speaker001:] Well uh [gap] the closing uh we'll not uh look at it yet. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Alright. [speaker001:] Um [vocalsound] now I'll look at [gap] show [gap] this board. Um [disfmarker] Well uh notes, first meeting. Now. I gave a disc a a presentation. Uh we familiarised ourself with the boards and then we discussed some first ideas. So we said that uh we have to merge the strong points from our uh competitors, [speaker004:] Right. [speaker001:] and uh look at their uh remote controls. We should make it uh compatible with our new DVD and other releases we have, our technical releases. [speaker003:] Huh? [speaker001:] Uh not too many one buttons. One recognisable button in the middle, where you do the most important functions with. And um well they can have two functions, because uh you have a DVD and a television. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker001:] Um the design has to fit the hand, be original, but also be familiar. [vocalsound] It's uh one of our ideas. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yeah well that wa It's just thirty minutes ago, so it's not quite uh [disfmarker] [vocalsound] But well I have to do it. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm, now it's right. [speaker001:] The materials uh well should be hard plastic with rubber from [gap], and uh well the labelling of the buttons should be indestructible. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] It should be uh recognisable at all times. [speaker003:] It's meant to be easily wiped out, yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] Yes. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker001:] Well fronts were to be [gap] just like mobile telephones. And uh the technical aspects um [disfmarker] And also labelling of the buttons, the functions should be universal standards. Well that's just uh some ideas from the first meeting. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] It's quite logical al all of it. Um now the new project requirements, I'll just show them. I got this mail from uh our bosses. Well, teletext goes out. [speaker002:] Oh. [speaker001:] We will not use teletext. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker001:] Maybe a new sort of thing, but n but not teletext. [speaker003:] I I disagree, but uh it's not uh t it's not my place to disagree I guess. [speaker001:] Well [disfmarker] the second is a bit sh pity because we just said we wanted to d include the DVD [speaker002:] Oh. [speaker001:] and they don't want it, because of our time we have for this project. [speaker004:] Alright. [speaker003:] Oh, alright. [speaker002:] Oh, that's a shame. [speaker001:] So that's a shame, because uh especially for the third requirement we want to reach people under the thirty years. Because uh we don't have those customers a lot at th at this point. Um well it's a bit pity because it's just those people want to have uh one remote control for all those technical devices they can uh reach it. [speaker004:] Yeah. But let's forget about it. It's just time-consuming, [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] so we uh have to go on. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Well and uh our corporate image should stay rec recognisable in our products. So uh we have to uh use uh maybe a slogan, maybe a colour, and um [disfmarker] Yeah well uh on our remote controls the design has to be uh, well as we already said a actually, uh familiar. [speaker004:] Yes. [speaker001:] Uh not only just uh the shape but also our company. [speaker003:] Yeah, we are a [vocalsound] real fashionable company. I read uh I read it on the [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah. [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker003:] I didn't know what company we were, [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] but we we design uh especially trendy uh trendy trendy stuff. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker003:] So it has to be uh a modern design. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] That's important to know, uh when you design a thing of course. [speaker001:] Yes. I I uh noted uh our uh slogan that we have, our company. It's uh we mm put the fashion in electronics. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Right. [speaker001:] So maybe that's a slogan we can put uh somewhere on our remote control or something. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Alright then um we're going to uh have three presentations. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] You want to start? [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah. [vocalsound] I think I have to start. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Oh you have to start? I didn't see anything about uh who had to start. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Oh no, no problem. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] The order? No. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Well s then start. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker004:] I I just have to uh to think which file's mine, 'cause I was uh bit in a hurry. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Okay. Well uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] I think it's this one. But I'm not sure. [gap] [speaker001:] [gap] You already uh opened uh PowerPoint. [speaker004:] Hmm? Yeah. S Right. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yes. This is it. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Well, I'm going to tell you something about functional requirements. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] Um to start with these points. Uh next sheet? Um at first I tell you something about what people dislike about the current uh controls, because it's uh a smart thing to exclude those things. Uh, furthermore it's very important what they do like and what they do use. [vocalsound] Um then I tell something about um the most important issues. So we have to focus on those three thing three things. And in the end I'll um show you our target [vocalsound] audience or our target product users, customers. Well, [vocalsound] um the first findings are that people um think most controls are very kind of ug ugly. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] That's seventy five per cent of the current users. They don't like it, so we might think about fronts in that section. Um [disfmarker] They also say, that's about uh I thought it was fifty per cent, uh that more money will be spent on uh better looking controls. So it's very important that you design a a nice looking control. [vocalsound] Um the current user uses his machine just about well all of the time for a few functions. Uh, almost every user uses it d the the control for just ten per cent of its capacity. So it's really important to make the the buttons for the common uh tasks kind of big or kind of uh flashy. Furthermore, it's uh [vocalsound] seventy five per cent of the users uh zaps a lot. Thus it might be uh might be smart to make a a big uh zapping button or something in the middle, so you can reach it with your thumb. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] You can zap away. Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah, yeah right. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Right. A lot of losers um users lose their controls in their [vocalsound] in their living room. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] So it might be sensible to make some kind of a button on your television, that's your um your control beeps or something, that you can find this very easily. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Well [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] I dunno, maybe that's an idea. 'Cause it's uh a big [disfmarker] I think fifty per cent of the users loses his its control, within the same room. [speaker003:] Oh. [vocalsound] Oh? [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker001:] It should actually uh [disfmarker] It should actually be loose from the television, because it can also be used for other televisions. So if you deliver a small uh click-on device that you can put on your television, that bleeps to your remote control, everyone can use it. [speaker004:] Yeah but what if you lose your click-on device? [speaker001:] No you can click it on your television. [speaker004:] Yeah but if someone d somebody else uses it in ano other room or something? [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yeah in another room, yeah. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Nee but it it specifically says it's uh the the control is lost in the same room. [speaker001:] Well yes. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] So [disfmarker] Well a beeping device would be [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Well we'll have a look at it, yeah. [speaker004:] Uh furthermore the learning time is a problem. Uh thirty four thirty four per cent um thinks it's it's too uh too difficult to learn. So the the learning curve should be very short uh for the dumbest people should be able to use it. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] I think our uh user uh expert should also consider manual a manual for the remote, of course. Uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah but people don't read manuals. [speaker003:] I didn't read it? Oh, alright. [speaker004:] No. [speaker002:] No. [speaker003:] [gap] users to uh add one? Do you think? [speaker002:] I don't think [disfmarker] [speaker004:] I think you should put more time in the in the design of uh pick up and use, than a manual. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Yes you should [disfmarker] You should could take a look at it and and and know how it how it's supposed to work. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah alright. [speaker001:] Yep. [speaker003:] Because they don't use it? Alright. [speaker004:] Yeah. Right. [speaker001:] Well there sh should always be a menu, but it c can be very short. [speaker004:] And it should be consistent with consistent with older remotes. [speaker002:] Yeah but nobody reads a manual about a remote control, I think. [speaker001:] Yes okay. [speaker003:] Well maybe for the [disfmarker] If you don't recognise a button who d who d who do I call uh wh when I don't know it? [speaker004:] Alright. [speaker002:] Yeah right. It sh it should be there, the manual. But but not to explain how the remote works. Only [disfmarker] [gap] [speaker004:] And we don't have much time. So it's better to uh put our attention to the the design. So you can pick up and use it, than [disfmarker] I think. [speaker001:] Well we are a design team, [speaker002:] Hmm. [speaker001:] we can say to some uh writer uh make a manual point. [speaker004:] Yeah right, right. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Isn't it part of the of the u [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] So [speaker003:] No. No. Never mind. [speaker001:] Well we'll have a look. [speaker004:] Next point. Um RSI. [speaker001:] Um yes? [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Well that's about twenty per cent I thought. But uh the designer should uh take it uh [vocalsound] should uh [disfmarker] Wie zeg ik dat? Yeah, consider the consequences of using your remote. [speaker003:] Consider the m [speaker004:] It should be a good in your hand. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah. Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Yep. [speaker004:] Right, this is the most important part. Um, we're [disfmarker] Like the requirements said, we're gonna specify of we're gonna target a younger audience. Um, [vocalsound] that's about sixty per cent of the market, so it's uh quite important. Um research shows that they like to have a little LCD screen on their on their uh zapping uh device. Uh [disfmarker] I thought it was the age between sixteen and twenty, ninety nine per cent of uh the people like that. [speaker001:] Well [disfmarker] [speaker004:] So it's very important we should definitely have that in our uh designs. [speaker001:] Well with twelve Euro fifty as production cost, we can't uh afford an LCD uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] It's going to be expensive. Yeah. [speaker002:] No. [speaker004:] Yeah but [vocalsound] they think it's really important. So if we want to s [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] If we have a big [disfmarker] [vocalsound] If we make lots of uh of the stuff, maybe we can uh buy it very cheap, I dunno. We have to uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Well we'll uh consider it uh. [speaker001:] Well [disfmarker] Yeah well uh it's your your task to uh look into the costs uh of those uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] We'll think abo we'll think [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah, I don't know. I don't have any information on that. So [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Nigh [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] No, we'll look we'll look into that later. [speaker001:] I know. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Right. [speaker003:] Alright? [speaker004:] And uh another thing is uh speech uh recognition. They also like that, but research is very uh costly. So [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] I think that's uh difficult to realise also. [speaker004:] Yeah, but [vocalsound] it [vocalsound] it might be important for the sale. [speaker003:] We have very demanding clients. [speaker001:] It's not yet a standard uh development uh those so [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] No and we have customers in multiple uh countries I think. [speaker004:] Well I do think LCD is more reachable than the speech recognition. [speaker001:] We sh Yeah absolutely. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] So we might consider LCD screens. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] No. [speaker003:] Yeah, yeah, alright. Well we'll consider both and and see what uh what what we can find, I think. [speaker004:] Alright. [speaker001:] Yep. [speaker003:] We don't rule them out uh yet. [speaker001:] [gap] 'Kay. [speaker004:] Alright. Um, I think that's it. Um [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Alright. [speaker004:] I think it is sensible to u uh to take this take these points into the notes. [speaker001:] Yes. [speaker004:] So you can [disfmarker] Right. [speaker001:] Well you [disfmarker] I c I can uh still see your presentation. [speaker004:] Yeah. Right. [speaker001:] It's in the [disfmarker] Well uh next um I dunno who is next. [speaker003:] Shall I give a technical talk? [speaker002:] Oh you go. [speaker001:] Yes. [speaker003:] Alright. [speaker001:] Well go ahead. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Well uh it is my task to uh explain uh or to point out a working design. [speaker001:] Yip. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] We have that here. Okay, how do you enlarge it, so that you can have the [disfmarker] [speaker001:] F five. [speaker003:] F F five. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] F five. [speaker003:] Yep. [speaker004:] Alright. [speaker003:] Well, the working design, [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] that's my uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Next button. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Well alright uh, you know who I am and what I do. So uh we have this. It's a bit uh unclear because I wanted to copy paste something. It was originally in black and white [speaker004:] Oh right. [speaker003:] but it became black and purple. [speaker004:] Purple [vocalsound]. [speaker003:] But I think you can read it. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [gap] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah, yeah, yeah. A bit. [speaker003:] Um well um I think it's important uh for you to realise the basic function of a remote control. Uh well you can see uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Maybe you can select it. So it uh inverts. [speaker003:] [gap] And I then can select I can select on the dings [gap] [speaker004:] [gap] the p the whole picture. [speaker003:] It goes to the next page. [speaker004:] Nah, uh never mind. [speaker001:] Click. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Well, you can read it, it's not too difficult. [speaker002:] Yeah, go ahead. [speaker003:] Meanwhile, this is a schematic uh um view of uh how a basic remote control works. You have uh basically uh the energy, the power of the of the remote control, uh and the sender, w which is the LED, the the the the the the the the the bulb that sends the the infrared beam to the, no, to the set. [speaker004:] Yeah. Alright. [speaker003:] And uh the source is of course the user. Uh the user interface is um [vocalsound] uh the [vocalsound] the [gap] the buttons of course. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] And the [vocalsound] the user interface sends uh the the different signals of the different buttons to the chip, and the chip uh sends it to the LED, and the LED sends it to the receiver. That's the that's the basic idea. [speaker001:] Yep. [speaker003:] Very basic. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Um well I have uh [vocalsound] uh [vocalsound] put it in a in in in a [vocalsound] a couple of basic steps. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Uh the remote uh is basically just waiting for a user to press a key. It does nothing until uh of course uh the key is pressed. The key [gap] a signal to a chip, uh the chip senses the connection. [vocalsound] uh and recognise the key. So [vocalsound] well you understand. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] The chip uh produces Morse code, um a specific code to indicate that specific button that is pressed, of course. And it uses transistors in the in the remote control to amplify and to send uh that signal again to the to the LED, which is the bulb, of course. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Now the LED produces an infrared beam and signals the, well it's uh very simple, and signals the uh signals to the sensor on the TV set, [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] and the TV set uh also recognises the the [vocalsound] the signal, and performs the assigned task. [speaker001:] So it is also why we have to have a button that says uh I'm now busy with a DVD uh if we had done that. And a button for TV. So [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Ah bu Yeah, but we don't. Uh we [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] No no, but [disfmarker] Yeah. Exactly. Uh well this is uh the basic uh function of a remote. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] I've some couple of pictures here. It's a very basic one. And uh [gap] if we if we're going to add an uh an uh LCD screen to it, it uh won't look anything like this, but [disfmarker] This is very basic uh basically the the shape of um of a remote control. It has uh very little buttons and [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] But it it uh it's it's quite um [disfmarker] Yeah, you can easily recognise the buttons. They're uh far enough apart and an anything. It's not very um uh not very high-tech uh [speaker002:] High tech. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] indeed, and it's not very user-friendly. Uh if you look at the shape, it's uh just a simple long box uh shape. So we have to uh change a little bit uh to that, uh so that uh it becomes more user-friendly, and that uh problems like uh RSI and uh those kinds of thing don't don't oc don't occur. [speaker004:] Right. Can I say something? [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Um I have a table here about uh the l the relevance of the buttons. Uh the power button is used very much, channel selection, volume and teletext. Well teletext is not an option, so that uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] But I think it's very important to make um the power, channel and volume buttons uh near to the thumb, so you can't have RSI uh consequences. [speaker003:] Yeah, because they are the the most important buttons [speaker004:] Right. [speaker003:] and you can immediately [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Make them big, make them easy to uh to press. [speaker001:] Well but but [vocalsound] [speaker003:] You don't have to look and and search for them. [speaker002:] You can also like [disfmarker] [speaker001:] if you have um the most used buttons all in one place, and you keep making the same um well moves. [speaker004:] Right. Yeah, right. Right. [speaker002:] Yeah, I was thinking you can [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] But if y if you would put it at a different place, then you have to move your hands, [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] and that's on of the things about RSI. [speaker004:] Yeah, that's right. [speaker002:] Are some of the the the um [disfmarker] [speaker004:] That's right. That's right. [speaker003:] Well you you can't have any uh every button [vocalsound] under the thumb, of course. [speaker004:] We [speaker001:] No but the most important buttons m maybe you can just put them a bit apart so you would reject R RSI RSI. [speaker004:] But [disfmarker] Yeah. That's very important. And [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Maybe you can make, for for channel changing, two little buttons on the side of the remote, so you can just do like this. Like some uh little uh Gameboy things or some [speaker001:] Yes I've saw that on m on mi mobile telephones they also have uh those buttons. [speaker004:] But is that is that useable? [speaker002:] Hmm? [speaker004:] Do people, uh when they pick up a remote, know that they have to do that? [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] It's a f it's a new feature, [speaker002:] Well [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Well it it's [disfmarker] [speaker004:] you can make make a double feature l like a button on the top and under it. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah alright, but [disfmarker] Yeah, [speaker001:] Well also i if someone puts [vocalsound] picks up his uh remote [disfmarker] [speaker002:] but if you s say them up and down, they they'll understand it [gap], I think. [speaker001:] Yeah. If someone puts up i uh picks up his remote, and he picks up it he he touches the side then he's a already on the next channel. [speaker002:] Eighty per cent would. [speaker003:] Well, [gap]. [speaker004:] Yeah, he feels it immediately. [speaker002:] Yeah that's true. [speaker001:] That's very irritating, I think. [speaker004:] Yeah, that's right. Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah but [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Right, continue. Sorry. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] But in e in any case the the basic function should be uh indeed, and as you say at the thumb. I think that's a good idea, and uh and that the less important uh buttons, like the the the different channels, uh the numbers one two three four five as well, should be uh yeah well not in reach, because uh they don't use it uh all the time. Well it's uh pretty pretty [vocalsound] basically uh as you said. [speaker001:] Yep. [speaker003:] And I have some pictures of the inside workings, but uh I don't want to get too technical, because uh that's not uh very uh useful for you. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] Yeah, that's right. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] That's your part of the job. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] So yeah [gap] exactly [gap] this is uh how it uh looks from the inside. [speaker001:] Yep. [speaker003:] And uh well that's about it I think. Oh yeah, I still have this. Oh I had to delete this, but I had to make a schematic uh of the of the new [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Alright. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] But I had too too little time, but uh don't uh don't look at it please. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Well we understand. [speaker004:] Alright. [speaker003:] I I think it's it's clear uh how it works. [speaker001:] We understand. [speaker004:] Yeah, it's clear. [speaker003:] Alright. [speaker001:] Oh right, no. [speaker003:] That's the most important thing. [speaker001:] Nice. [speaker003:] Alright. Uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Then uh Mike can uh give the third presentation. How late is did we start his presentation uh? [gap] [speaker003:] Right. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] I dunno. I think uh w About twenty minutes ago? [speaker001:] Wha Yeah. Well then we have still the time, so [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Losing time losing time. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] But we do have to come to a decision, right later on. [speaker004:] Yeah right. So [disfmarker] [speaker001:] So [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [gap] [speaker002:] Well I thought um everybody on the website [vocalsound] uh would see the same thing, but obviously [vocalsound] that's not the case. [speaker004:] I don't think so. [speaker003:] Yeah, uh there are different uh [disfmarker] We have all have different home pages, with different links. [speaker001:] Oh yeah? [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah right. [speaker001:] Uh? [speaker002:] For instance you couldn't see this. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Okay, yeah well. [speaker002:] Um [disfmarker] Yeah. Well I'm Mike [gap], User Interface Designer. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] The the method? Well [disfmarker] I used my own experience with remotes, took a good l look uh at the remotes on the corporate website, which are these two. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Um [disfmarker] [speaker004:] These are already in use? [speaker002:] Yes, these are from from another uh manufacturer. [speaker004:] Alright, okay. [speaker002:] Um [disfmarker] This one is engineering-centred, so this one has the most functions and um things. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Um [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Well [disfmarker] [speaker001:] I like user-centred. [speaker004:] Yeah, me too. [speaker002:] I like user-centr centred uh [vocalsound] uh also the best. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yeah. We also do that. [speaker002:] Um [disfmarker] Well, I thought uh that we uh reduce the the option to control the DVD also, and teletext and that kind of stuff. [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker002:] Uh so I thought we we we would use more or need more buttons than this one. [speaker004:] But we have to reject that, because of the requirements? [speaker002:] But [disfmarker] Yes. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Th that's why this mm is not relevant any more I feel. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Alright. [speaker002:] Um [disfmarker] I think this is about the maximum number of buttons uh we'll need. [vocalsound] I um I kinda like the shape. [speaker004:] Yeah, right. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] I think this is what we talked about. But [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] [gap] You can't really see uh the differ from different sides. But I think uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] No I've [disfmarker] Well I showed it somewhere. Um [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Uh you can draw it if you [disfmarker] Yeah. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Oh yeah. I think we should go further with the idea of a removable front. So we can can uh yeah customise the [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. Well absolutely, but i th they all have to have something about um the recognition from our company. So we cannot just uh make someone w [speaker002:] Mm? [vocalsound] Yeah. [vocalsound] It's a front. It's not the the whole remote that changes, of course. [speaker001:] No but that's th the side they look uh look at is the front. [speaker004:] But it [disfmarker] [speaker002:] You can [disfmarker] [speaker001:] So if y if you make a a front with just a a tiger on it, then uh our recognition is totally gone. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker004:] Yeah, that's right [speaker002:] Or you can you can can put the same symbol on on every remote. [speaker004:] Yeah, that's a must. [speaker002:] So l like Ericsson does [gap] every uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] We must have that. [speaker001:] Yeah, we must. [speaker003:] We can put it on the on the back side. [speaker001:] Yeah well and and [disfmarker] [speaker002:] S something like this. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yes. [speaker002:] It's recognisable. [speaker001:] 'Kay. [speaker004:] We can make a symbol of the company right here. [speaker002:] Um [disfmarker] [speaker004:] And [vocalsound] if you put a front on it, there's a hole on the front. So the symbol's always on [speaker002:] Yeah? [speaker003:] Yeah, so that you don't replace the symbol, yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah yeah. Something like that, [speaker001:] Yeah yeah yeah. [speaker002:] in the [disfmarker] Yeah. [speaker001:] Or the th the the lowest part of the remote isn't changed by the front. [speaker004:] [disfmarker] Yeah. Yeah, yeah. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] But let's not focus on the front [gap]. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Those kind of things. Yes. Okay. [speaker002:] Um [disfmarker] Well so uh uh like I said I thought we'd we'd use more function. If we we had to include more functions. But we don't. So um [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Alright. [speaker002:] I think this is about the maximum number of buttons we need. Maybe some less. Like eject we don't need, and some other buttons we don't need. I think uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Mike, uh can you put uh that picture from me on the in the Word documents file? In Map? [speaker002:] Yeah, I will. I think uh for the remote um uh less is more. [vocalsound] The less buttons the better the design. Um [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah, I agree. [speaker002:] We should go with that concept I think. I know. [speaker001:] Alright. [speaker004:] I've I've got another point. [speaker001:] Yeah? [speaker004:] Um there are two target audi audiences, and we've uh chose for the younger one. Um, research has shown that um it's a high interested uh in features. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker004:] They are high high interested in feature. But they are more critical. Fo Yeah, critical. [speaker003:] The younger uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] So [disfmarker] The younger audience. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] So we must um must design uh a control that really speaks to the people. [speaker001:] Well what if we um [disfmarker] I at I at home have a remote that has um the most familiar uh buttons on the top, [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] and the bottom side of the front has a little clip, a f a little uh [disfmarker] You can click away and then you have f much more functions that most people don't use but s some do do. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. I think uh the most functions uh underneath that uh [speaker004:] Clip aren't used much. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] uh [disfmarker] No um mm usually [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Well but because you say they their features are important, they want m um a lot, [speaker004:] Yeah right. [speaker003:] But [disfmarker] [speaker001:] but not [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah, but what kind of features? [speaker003:] Yeah I think [vocalsound] m most [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Like LCD screens and voice recognition. [speaker004:] Yeah but [disfmarker] Yeah. [speaker002:] But I've [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Most uh [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Here, look at these numbers. The newest features are, like I said, are uh LCD and uh speech uh control. Our audience, these people, are very like these uh features. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. Uh. [speaker004:] You see? So we must build in something, or they will to uh go to the concurrent. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Competitors. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah. Our competitor. Yeah. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] The concurrent? [vocalsound] Competitors, right. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] So, I do think we have to uh have some features. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Even though they cost a little more. [speaker001:] Well maybe w we could uh s On um some uh calculators you have lo those little little LCD th that you can click on or something, [speaker004:] Right. Right. [speaker001:] or that you can click uh out uh of the remote. And if if that's gives you a little bit of sta status information. [speaker004:] Like a ticker-tape. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Which programme you are l watching or something. [speaker002:] Yeah, that's nice. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Those kind of things, uh because you also have those uh those program recognition for your V VCRs. And uh well if y if your remote picks that up also, you they can display which programme you're currently watching. [speaker004:] Yeah, right. Yeah right. [speaker003:] Yeah. Yeah. So it it just signals the the different uh sig uh the different symbols on the screen you have, [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] uh because if you change to s channel two you have two on the screen and two on your on your um on your LCD screen. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] For example. It it could be such a little uh th that you can click in and out and you and you have it. [speaker002:] Yeah, we should keep that simple too. [speaker003:] But should it uh really be uh clickable, uh [vocalsound] [speaker002:] It will [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] No not clickable. [speaker001:] Well maybe. [speaker002:] No, it should be uh integrated. [speaker004:] Nah, no no no. [speaker003:] or [vocalsound] or just integrate inside to try to make it d more trendy. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] I think [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah, just at at the top. So when you s [vocalsound] you sit like this you can can watch. I think it should be at the top. [speaker001:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah, something like on um some radios in car. You [disfmarker] Where it's, yeah, walking to [disfmarker] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah right. It's a ticker-tape idea. [speaker001:] RDSs or something. [speaker003:] But that's of course uh a bit more uh expensive than uh the basic uh calculator design, with the scrolling text and [vocalsound] that kind of thing. [speaker002:] Wa Yeah. [speaker004:] Well it's just one script. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Well I think it's you got [disfmarker] It just means it's a script that's uh keeps it uh rolling, and it's not uh [disfmarker] That's five minutes off uh implementing time I think uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah, five minutes of ja ja for programming. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] So I don't think that's the issue. [speaker001:] No. [speaker003:] Alright. [speaker004:] Alright, we go with the LCD screen? [speaker001:] Uh well I think so, yes. Um [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah well we we we still need to know how much that will cost. [speaker004:] 'Kay. Right, I don't know if I can find that, but [disfmarker] [speaker001:] We're g No but we're we'll have to look into that. [speaker002:] Or maybe you will get that information uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Next time. [speaker001:] Um we can use this board again, I think. [speaker004:] Yeah right. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker001:] Uh we can put some um decisions about um the controls we want, th the issue. [vocalsound] Where is my presentation? [vocalsound] Uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah, I understand what you're saying. [speaker001:] [gap] Uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] We should have a general idea of how it's gonna look. [speaker001:] Well [disfmarker] I mean we're all here now, I think. These I've already given you. So we have to decide on the different remote control functions. [speaker004:] Right. [speaker001:] So we want to have a small LCD screen that's special. [speaker004:] At the top. [speaker003:] Shouldn't we start with the most important parts? [speaker002:] At the top or at the bottom? [speaker001:] Yes. [speaker003:] The LCD screen alright [gap] [speaker004:] I think the top is more uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] but we should start with the power button? Uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] When you s How do you zap? [speaker002:] Yeah but [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] You just sit in your chair? [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Huh? [speaker004:] With the remote? [speaker002:] Yeah but with with the LCD screen on the top it gets a bit unnatural. [speaker001:] That thing is terrible. [speaker002:] 'Cause most remotes have some space left at the bottom. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah but that's where your hand ball might be. [speaker001:] Uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah, I dunno. [speaker002:] Yeah, no Mm. [speaker003:] And then uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] We'll draw two, and then we'll see uh [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Maybe we should uh centralise the discussion here. [vocalsound] I dunno what uh you were talking about but [disfmarker] [speaker004:] No [vocalsound] Um he thinks [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [gap] we are busy with something [gap]. [speaker004:] Yeah, right. He thinks it's better to put the LCD at the bottom, and I think it's better at the top. [speaker003:] Uh-huh. Why do you think it's better at the bottom? [speaker001:] Well [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Uh well because most uh remotes have um some space left at the bottom, and that way you can keep the shape recognisable for everybody. [speaker004:] But your [disfmarker] [speaker003:] But you just can put uh the the the the the whole interface a bit down, [speaker002:] I c [speaker003:] so that there's room for the for the interface. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Well I d I think that's that's ugly but [disfmarker] [speaker004:] The the ticker [disfmarker] The LCD is like like small. [vocalsound] It's it's wide. It's not not high. But [vocalsound] [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Uh-huh. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] I th [speaker001:] Well I th I think Mike Mike has a point, [speaker003:] And and we can [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] because um when when uh when I use a remote I l I hate the buttons but buttons at the at the bottom. [speaker002:] Yeah. Power button always [disfmarker] Yeah. [speaker003:] Bottom. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] So and and I I like to use the ones on the top. [speaker002:] Yeah, y you gotta zap like this or [vocalsound] you want to [disfmarker] Yeah. [speaker001:] So when I u when I have to have an LCD s scr window [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah right. But [disfmarker] We're making a remote with [vocalsound] with a few functions you know. [speaker003:] Well [vocalsound] that's [vocalsound] a bit exaggerated. Well, I agree with you [gap]. It's it's also more recognisable. [speaker004:] We [speaker003:] It looks more like a calculator to people, if you have the l the the the thing on top. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yes but we we we we don't want that. [speaker002:] Yeah you don't want [disfmarker] [speaker001:] We don't want them to look like a calculator. [speaker002:] You want uh [disfmarker] Yeah it it it must be a remote. [speaker001:] We want to look it like our original but familiar [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah w well, but uh you don't have to throw uh um important aspe [vocalsound] important aspect like familiarity uh completely away, [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] High-tech [gap]. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yea [speaker003:] uh because [vocalsound] I think it's uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Maybe a bic uh better uh white uh [disfmarker] [vocalsound] We White? [vocalsound] [speaker003:] I think it's still important to have it at the top, [speaker004:] Width. [speaker001:] Width. Uh format yeah format? Line width? Width? [speaker003:] because it's uh it's more familiar that way. [speaker004:] [gap] Th that's not a problem. [speaker001:] Yeah? [speaker004:] [vocalsound] When I draw here it [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [disfmarker] Oh. Huh? [speaker001:] It's a bit off. [speaker004:] Yeah, it's off. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] A little a little bit. [speaker001:] Well. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] It [vocalsound] it needs to be calibrated again. Well [vocalsound] [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Well uh let's uh talk about that later uh [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Maybe you should another pen. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Maybe that's uh better. [gap] You e you only have one pen for that screen. Yeah. [speaker004:] Where? [vocalsound] Alright, we have to make a decision now, [speaker001:] It's special pen. [speaker004:] because we don't have much time. Um [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah. No. [speaker004:] I think we have uh a few functions, and we can put uh the LCD above it, and still have lots of room at the bottom, where you can put your hand. [speaker003:] Yeah. I I agree. [speaker001:] I think it should be at the button, bottom. [speaker003:] Well I'm the [vocalsound] I I'm the designer, so um [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] At the bottom? [speaker001:] Bottom. The LCD. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] In a few minutes [disfmarker] [speaker004:] At the bot [speaker002:] Oh yeah, oh yeah, I totally agree. Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] So [disfmarker] We are two uh VS two. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Well but uh what what if we we first decide the different functions, [speaker002:] He's the boss. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] and then look at the design. [speaker004:] Right. Great. [speaker003:] Uh we uh we were busy with that. [speaker001:] Because we have to decide this. [speaker003:] Uh yeah we should uh summon the the different uh aspects of the thing. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] So, we have the power button. [speaker004:] And moreover I think that you two should be uh come to consensus about the LCD s. [speaker001:] Yes. [speaker004:] It's uh your it's your job. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah of course. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Well we have a power button. [speaker003:] Uh it's uh. Yeah. W wh [speaker002:] No it's our job. [speaker001:] Guys? [speaker003:] While you have to agree, I can say [gap] it's like this and [vocalsound] you must agree. Yeah. [speaker002:] For all of us I think. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah, right. [speaker001:] Guys? [speaker004:] Alright, let's keep it central. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] We have a power button, setting buttons, LCD window, the number buttons [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] The ten numbers? Yeah? [speaker003:] Channel, yeah. [speaker001:] Uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Volume? [speaker003:] Volume control. [speaker001:] Yes. [speaker003:] Um [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker001:] Uh the mute button. [speaker003:] Well let's look at your uh design. Uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] I h love that one. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Uh-huh. [speaker002:] I think we we should use something like this um to um [disfmarker] The the channel up and channel down button? [vocalsound] Yeah, in circle, you know? [speaker001:] Yes. Yeah. Yeah yeah yeah. Well that's that's also design. [speaker002:] And and a volume control also in it. [speaker001:] Yes. [speaker004:] Right. [speaker001:] Um [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [gap] Yeah. [speaker001:] Well h ho [speaker003:] But th th on this remote th these controls are for something else, a DVD player or something. So [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yes. Yes. [speaker002:] Yes, [speaker001:] They are for some uh video uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] as I already said, we could drop some of these buttons. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] You should put that uh power button, channel and volume should have the most uh importance. [speaker002:] Yeah. I think these should be in one big circle in the middle. [speaker004:] Yeah, but what he said about RSI was [vocalsound] t kinda true. When [gap] [vocalsound] when you uh put them all in the same place, the most used buttons, you're doing the same thing all the time, [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] and that's just what RSI's all about. So it might be smarter to put them a little more away from each other. [speaker001:] Apart. So people have to move their hand. And they get less uh complaints of RSI. [speaker003:] Yeah, it's it's also not good to completely stay in one position constantly with one hand. [speaker001:] [gap] [speaker003:] Y [gap] [speaker001:] That's what I always do, [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] because all my i important buttons are the same place. [speaker003:] Yeah. It's good to move uh from time to time. Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah but people don't like it when their buttons are all over the place. [speaker004:] Um [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yes? [speaker002:] They they need to be centred. [speaker003:] No but now y [speaker001:] Well not [disfmarker] [speaker003:] W would we have to choose a way in middle? [speaker004:] Frequency of uh button use. [speaker001:] Yes. [speaker004:] Um channels are uh most uh is most used within the hour. You can see. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Volume hardly. [speaker001:] Uh-huh. [speaker004:] So the the [vocalsound] channel uh channel buttons should be far far apart, I think, up and down. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] No I don't think. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Oh. [speaker001:] Up and down far apart from each other? [speaker003:] Far apart? [speaker004:] [gap] [vocalsound] You thinking uh about RSI? [speaker002:] Yeah but [disfmarker] Yeah but [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Well not too much. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Y look at uh look at the frequency. [speaker002:] No. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Nei not too much, but [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] The other the other two uh frustrations are far more important. So [disfmarker] [speaker003:] I think you can have the two buttons of up and down close together, but you don't have uh have to have volume control and and zapping button close together. [speaker001:] Well for example the power button, you can [vocalsound] [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Well they are used four times an hour, so [disfmarker] [speaker001:] If someone is constantly z zapping, it's not going to miss, that it that the power button is not right beside it. Because I have someone [disfmarker] But the buttons is way. [speaker004:] Nei nei nei n I I totally agree. [speaker001:] So that one can be put away. [speaker004:] But just [disfmarker] Yeah. Right. Yeah. I agree. [speaker001:] The power button can uh be uh uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Power bu button should be left at the top. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yes. [speaker004:] And should and should be red. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Oh man, five minutes. [vocalsound] Yeah, well five minutes left. [speaker004:] Right, just make some decisions. [speaker001:] Yep. [speaker004:] The most important things we have to uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Um how are we going to do it with those numbers? [speaker003:] C c can you make you make [disfmarker] We can use uh the drawing board now, I think. Uh it it doesn't work well but [disfmarker] But it it would be pretty pretty uh nice if we could just draw a simple thing. [speaker001:] Well I have it here. [speaker004:] I do think you have to keep you have to keep it central now. [speaker001:] Yeah well that's going to take too too much time. [speaker004:] Just uh you decide that, [speaker002:] Mm. Yeah. [speaker001:] Yes. [speaker004:] you decide that, [speaker003:] Mm. Alright. [speaker004:] and [vocalsound] ready. [speaker001:] Yes. Well the LCD. Um you are Industrial, you are User Interface. So I think it's going to go to Mike. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] But you will have to make consensus with [gap]. Well [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Well consensus, um [disfmarker] We we can put it in the middle, so [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Well it's a bit hard, [speaker004:] Nei. We're [disfmarker] No [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] because we are going to be uh individually. That's a bit uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] We're deciding now, so [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yes. [speaker004:] Top or bottom? [speaker003:] Well uh yeah I I still think it's it's quite important though to uh to have it at the top, so [speaker001:] Yes it is. [speaker003:] [disfmarker] Yeah. You say familiarity isn't important but [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Well what if we're going to now decide about the functions, and the design comes into the next round? [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker001:] Plus the d th the design round is still to come huh? [speaker003:] Yeah d [speaker004:] Yeah, right. Okay. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Alright. [speaker001:] Alright these functions. [speaker003:] As we we we we agreed, we do have a LCD. [speaker001:] The number f Well yes, that's alright. [speaker003:] So that's that's enough. Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah, okay. [speaker001:] W the number function. Are we going to uh do it like uh on Mike's screen with uh one button that says I'm going to do a t two number digital? [speaker002:] No. [speaker001:] How do you want it to do then? [speaker003:] There's one two three four five six six seven eight nine zero. [speaker002:] Well just when you push a one one and [disfmarker] [speaker001:] It it has to r recognise one as [vocalsound] there could still come more. [speaker002:] No, [vocalsound] if you [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Oh, like that. [speaker002:] On most TVs if you uh press two numbers shortly after each other, [vocalsound] d it [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Um [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yes. [speaker003:] They'd recognise it. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Th that's the most [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Alright so no button for that. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] That that's very easy. Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] No. [speaker001:] Okay uh anyone any uh oth other functionalities of our uh remote? [speaker003:] I think these are the the most important functions. [speaker004:] Do you still have the pictures over there? [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] So [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah, that's about it. You do need the uh multi Or did uh [disfmarker] No, like this one. You do need them? [speaker001:] No, we'd uh just said we didn't uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah, I know. But are we [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Alright, alright uh [disfmarker] [vocalsound] Now okay. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Well uh [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] Um well because we can't integrate it with any other uh remotes, all those buttons on those pictures are uh irrelevant. [speaker004:] Right. [speaker001:] So just for a television is that all we need? [speaker004:] Yeah, it's most useable this way. [speaker003:] [gap] basic function. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Teletext is gone. So all those buttons that [vocalsound] ar are to do with teletext [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Oh screen placing. We'll have uh those uh buttons about uh [disfmarker] And uh the two important ones we're l f forgetting. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Uh there's um [vocalsound] screen. You can make it wider and less wide. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] And the button that you can go to AV for your video. [speaker004:] Right. I do think we have to put that underneath a clip. [speaker003:] Oh yeah. [speaker001:] Those two? But it's just two, and we make a clip? [speaker003:] Uh just two just two under uh under uh [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Th that's a bit uh waste. [speaker002:] We we can make [vocalsound] make uh a little row of like four buttons down here. [speaker001:] Yes. [speaker004:] Yeah. Okay, right. [speaker003:] I I think uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Or at the top. [vocalsound] Your LCD screen is going to go. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Or at [disfmarker] [speaker003:] But you you can put uh two or three buttons under uh another section. [speaker002:] Yeah alright then. [speaker003:] Uh that's that's too complicated. [speaker001:] Yes. [speaker003:] You can just put it somewhere [disfmarker] They they aren't used much, not as much as those other, [speaker001:] Yeah [speaker003:] so you can put it somewhere [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Oh, they can be small or round like buttons. [speaker003:] Yeah s bit smaller and s Well uh and and I think more at the bottom. Yeah. Yeah or at the top, yeah. What do you think uh those those buttons? Above or down? [speaker001:] Well I think they should in an in an isolated part of the remote. [speaker003:] And w where? Well we design it later. We have it, and we design later where everything goes. Yeah. [speaker001:] Yes? Yes. Yes. Well any other uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Well if you [vocalsound] you take those th If you [vocalsound] [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Why go to video? [speaker001:] Go to video, that's always on your remote control. [speaker004:] Yeah, but you can z you can zap t you can you can zap to the video channel from zero to uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] To AV uh to AV AV AV. [speaker003:] The the video channel uh? [speaker002:] That's just zero. Yeah. [speaker001:] Well l n no not at not at my remote. [speaker003:] No no not always. Ze yeah zero is a different channel than uh the the video channel. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah, but you can can zap down [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah, but when you zap down zero you get to AV. [speaker001:] Yes. [speaker002:] Yes, I think th [speaker001:] I don't. I go to ninety-nine. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] No, then you press ninety nine. [speaker004:] Ah uh well whatever, [vocalsound]. [speaker002:] I think go to video is an irrelevant button, but [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Th that's the button uh [disfmarker] No. [speaker003:] But it's easy to go [disfmarker] [vocalsound] If you are at uh at channel uh fifty five and you want to uh go immediately to the video channel, you do you have to push a to to get below zero. [speaker001:] No you can ch push zero. [speaker003:] It's more easy to get to uh where the specific uh video channel button. [speaker001:] Yeah. Yeah, I I think that one button is uh [disfmarker] I use it uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah, but if we're choosing to uh incorporate these buttons, you have to have uh channel setting, [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] if you wa if you have a new TV. You have to set the channels. [speaker001:] Yeah? [speaker004:] Right all th these uh different buttons you have to [disfmarker] [speaker001:] These buttons, I don't have buttons for channel setting uh especially on my remote. [speaker004:] Ah, I do. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah well uh d different screen settings a Yeah, sk [vocalsound] [speaker001:] It's it's incorporated with p m plus and down, uh those [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah well y you must have. [speaker003:] Yeah y you you you you have screen width. [speaker002:] Yeah you yeah you have one one button from [vocalsound] s set frequency o or something, [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] and then with plus and min minus you can uh adjust the uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Right. That's the only one we put uh in there. [speaker001:] So we still [gap] have one uh four? [speaker004:] For a screen uh fu uh channel setting. [speaker001:] Ch ch [speaker003:] Yeah to uh oh yeah of course to configure the programme the [disfmarker] Yeah. [speaker004:] Programme, right. [speaker001:] Okay. Oh the Okay button? [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Oh you always have in the centre an Okay button, for your menu. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah, alright. [speaker001:] Menu button. [speaker003:] You should [disfmarker] Yeah. I think that's important. Uh [disfmarker] [gap] And and the settings to change the brightness [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Channel, setting, menu. [gap] We have to go. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] the settings to change the brightness and the contrast. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] Channel, yeah. [speaker004:] [gap] [speaker001:] So um Save. [speaker003:] Chief? Chief? [speaker001:] Yes see. [speaker003:] Th the menu menu button is also important. Then you can uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yes I have put it in. [speaker003:] Where? [vocalsound] I don't see it. [speaker001:] Here. [speaker003:] Oh Menu, alright. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] I think things like uh contrast and brightness should be um in the menu, yeah. [speaker003:] In the menu. And you can uh then adjust it with the zapping buttons or something. [speaker002:] Yeah, the [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Because uh the zapping buttons aren't used then if you are in the menu. [speaker001:] Alright. [speaker002:] Or the volume or something like that. [speaker001:] Guys? [speaker003:] Yeah. Or the volume, yeah. [speaker001:] We're going to uh go to our uh rooms, and uh we'll have to decide s things on our own I think. So [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Your pen. [speaker004:] Ah. Great. [speaker003:] Yes chief. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Alright. [speaker002:] I thought we'd uh lunch uh right now, or not? [speaker001:] Well see you uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah this is this is your thing. [speaker001:] W w we have lunchtime, by the way, now uh so uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Ah. Okay. [gap] [speaker002:] Yeah, lunch break. [speaker003:] I am hungry. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Lunch. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Get into my belly. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Ah. We didn't exactly do everything but [disfmarker] [vocalsound] So [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [gap] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] See you later mate. [vocalsound]

[speaker004:] [vocalsound] That went well, thank you. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] 'Kay. [speaker001:] That's great. [speaker004:] Perfect. [speaker001:] Alright, let me just PowerPoint this up. [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] Right so um this meeting will be about the conceptual design, don't ask me s precisely what conceptual design is, it's just something important that we need to do. Um, think of it [disfmarker] 's kind of uh turning the abstract into slightly more concrete. In this meeting ideally we'll come to some final decisions on what we're gonna do for the prototype. Um. Right so um, apologies for the last meeting, it was brought to my attention that I did not make the roles clear enough, um, so I will attempt to do so more accurately in this particular meeting. Um, fair enough, thanks for the input, 's always good. Um. So, basically all we're gonna do is have some presentations again much like last time, um, and gonna go through you, uh whoever wants to go first is f fine by me um and we'll collate what we know about um what we discussed in the last meeting, possible directions. [vocalsound] And then we'll make some more decisions on um basic uh firm up our idea on how we want this remote control to look and work. So, perfect. So, without th further ado, whoever wants to go first is free to. [speaker002:] I'll go first. [speaker004:] Go ahead. [speaker001:] Alright Nathan, take it away. It is Nathan right? I'm not calling you the wrong name over and over again? [speaker002:] No Nathan's fine. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Good. [speaker002:] It's either Nathan or participant two. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Mister participant two that is. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Uh. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Nice. [speaker002:] Okay. Um, [speaker001:] Nice. [speaker002:] basically what I'm gonna have to talk to you about today is um component design and it's been brought to my attention that we may be somewhat limited as to what we can do because of what our manufacturer offers, so [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker002:] Basically what I'm gonna be doing is talking to you about that. Um, components of a remote control, okay. We've already kind of gone over this but we're gonna have to get into more detail and probably have to reach some conclusions some time soon. Energy source, um, our manufacturer offers a variety of energy sources, your standard battery, solar cells. Our manufacturer didn't say anything about lithium so we might have to look [disfmarker] if we do go that route, we might have to look elsewhere. Um, and also there's a kinetic energy possibility. Basically, it's like a um [disfmarker] the idea of moving the remote would create enough energy to keep it running. So that's one possibility but I don't know whether that would be powerful enough to illuminate a touch screen. [speaker001:] Hmm. [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker002:] So we'll have to look into that. Um, the case, we have a few options, plastic, rubber or wood. Um and then as far as the way it's shaped, we can do standard boring flat, which we probably don't wanna do, curved or very sexy double curved. [speaker001:] What kind of th thickness are we looking at? [speaker002:] Um, I imagine that we could specify. Um, I don't see any reason to go outside of the convention of three or four millimetres. Yeah. [speaker001:] Okay, brilliant. [speaker002:] Um, the buttons, there are multiple scroll buttons available from our manufacturer, but to use those we'd have to use more chips, um and that would cost us more. And if we do go with the rubber doubled curved case um we'll have to use rubber push buttons because the other buttons aren't compatible with that. [speaker001:] Hmm. [speaker004:] Right. [speaker002:] Um and just a little note there, touch screen equals many chips which equals many Euro. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Right. Nice. [speaker002:] Um, one thing that I noticed was that most remotes operate on a infrare on the infrared part of the spectrum. So you notice when you push a button on a remote you can't see anything coming out of it but in fact there is light coming out of the remote and you know the television can detect that. And if you were to record [disfmarker] if you were to make a video recording you could actually see the light. Uh one thing that I thought might be interesting was to use part [disfmarker] use visible light coming out of the remote, just kind of as a fun gimmick. [speaker001:] Hmm. [speaker002:] So you could actually see something coming out of the remote when you pushed it. [speaker004:] Interesting. [speaker002:] Course it'd have to be a part of the spectrum that wouldn't damage the human eye or anything like that. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] M Maybe [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Mm. Good call. [speaker001:] is there an option that we can have that off or on so a person can select like [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Choose it. [speaker002:] Yeah. I am sure that we could do that. Um, of course [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah I like the idea, it's a good idea. [speaker002:] Yeah, just as a fun gimmick. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Just to set us apart a little bit. Um, and then on to the circuit board that we're gonna use, also known as the chip. Uh, we really don't have any way around the TA one one eight three five. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Um findings, okay, we're very limited by what our current manufacturers can offer, um and my question to all of you is, should we look to other manufacturies or should we just make do with what we have available? [speaker003:] Interesting question. [speaker002:] 'S a bit of a challenge question. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker004:] Well [speaker003:] Yes. [speaker004:] I'd say shop around but with our time constraints, is that really a feasible option? [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker002:] Right, that's my concern too. Um, if we do go the lithium battery route then we'll have to go outside our current manufacturer. My personal preference is [disfmarker] I'll just throw my cards on the table, uh I think we should probably go the solar battery route, just to kinda keep with the environmentally friendly theme that we have going on. Uh, I like the idea of the visible light signalling, that's something to set us apart and uh I was thinking about [disfmarker] I was thinking of ways that we could produce the remote in a variety of different case materials to suit different tastes. So we're not so confined by one style and say some [disfmarker] you know, say our [disfmarker] the one [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Right. [speaker002:] if we just go with one and it doesn't go over well then we're in a bad situation. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker004:] Right. [speaker001:] Can we do marketing piloting too? Try to see what kind [disfmarker] before we launch [disfmarker] can we see how they're received? [speaker004:] Um [disfmarker] It's an option, uh but actually there's [disfmarker] I've got some research already on like what we're looking at and trends in casing right now [speaker001:] Okay. Okay. [speaker004:] which actually might even come into play beforehand, [speaker001:] Okay, [speaker004:] it may help us decide for now. Temporarily anyway. [speaker001:] perfect. Great, thank you very much Nathan. [speaker002:] Oh yeah, you're welcome. [speaker001:] That's perfect, so I guess that makes sense for you to take it from here. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] I guess so, 'cause I found some interesting things. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Did you? [vocalsound] [speaker004:] You waiting for me? [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Fascinating, compelling even. [speaker004:] I know, what a teaser ain't it. Um. [vocalsound] Right. So current market trends. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Screen. Um, basically I was looking at what's going on in the remote control market right now and what's going on in other design fields, to see sort of what's what's trendy, what's new, what's happening. Um, remote control right now [disfmarker] basically everybody says they want newer, fancier, more exciting [disfmarker] they're sick of this boring, normal, functional, um [disfmarker] that we need innovative design options and there needs to be an easy user interface. Um the challenge is that current trends right now, across the board in fashion, in furniture, in technology, is a very organic fruit and vegetable kind of thing. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Now I'm not saying we should have, you know, tomato shaped remote controls or anything, but I think it is possible maybe to use um natural colours, like if wood is an option, that whole organic, sleek, clean, [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker004:] v line thing may be something we can look into. Different skin options, or if we can't afford this touch plate thing, or touch face screen interface um, maybe having the b images be specific, like you could choose your menu bullets to be [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Tomatoes. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] a different shape [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] or [vocalsound] okay, [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] not the example I would choose, but you know what I mean to t sort of [disfmarker] and th apparently the feel of the next couple of years is spongy, [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Mm. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] uh not something I I've come up with a [gap] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] I like it, I like it. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] though if we can get around to getting piloting, I thought maybe a casing option like uh not like a skin, but like a holder almost if you could do like um, leather options or wood options or something [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Hmm. I should have mentioned this um. As far as the rubber that we can use [disfmarker] we can use a rubber as part of the case, [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] it has a consistency of those stress balls. [speaker003:] Yes. [speaker004:] Mm. [vocalsound] Might be an interesting way to go. [speaker003:] Fabulous. [speaker001:] Slick, slick. [speaker004:] Um, yeah so something to sit on for now. So overall I think we should stick with what we're finding, everyone's looking for easy to use, technologically innovative and this fancy new [disfmarker] I think perhaps the double curve thing and maybe this rubber option is our best way to go for right now. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Um. [speaker001:] Interface, oh the interface graphics for the um [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah. Um. Well I d but then if the touch screen thing isn't gonna work out for us that's really a non-issue. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] I like the idea of of rubber too because it's [disfmarker] tends to be associated with being durable, something that you can drop and it doesn't matter. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker004:] True. [speaker002:] 'Cause so many [disfmarker] you go to so many houses these days and you see broken remote controls. [speaker004:] Very true. Very true. [speaker001:] Yeah, it's like, yep [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Taped with duck tape and what have you, [speaker004:] Very much so [vocalsound]. Um [speaker002:] you wouldn't have that problem if you used rubber. [speaker001:] it's ubiquitous [speaker003:] We can have a duck tape casing. [speaker001:] isn't it? [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] We could. I think that goes against the whole fancy something, a new line, [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] It could go with the granola crowd. [speaker004:] but worth a shot. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Ah, [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] it could be, it could be, [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Great, [speaker004:] um. Yeah that's what I know. [speaker001:] thanks for that Sarah. [speaker004:] No problem. [speaker001:] Ron? [speaker003:] Phew. Computer's adjusting. One moment please. So interme interface concept by your faithful user interface designer. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] So yur user interface, guys, is basically aspects of a computer system that we can see or hear, or otherwise uh perceive. Uh, commands and mechanisms, that basically user uses to control the operator operating system. Here's a d series of different remote controls [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] that are out on the market today. I think we're definitely trying to get away from this kind of a look. [speaker001:] Yeah [speaker003:] Um, so the following are a bunch of different uh interface uh concepts. Uh voice recognition, we we um actually have some new uh information from our research design team but uh I'll get to that in a moment. Um, so current voice recognition starts up to about eighty speech samples, um and basically you record your own verbal labels c and connect them to the remote control. Now our design team, research team, has been able to uh set up a system in which uh you can teach the remote control voice c recognition system to respond to um [disfmarker] with standard responses. Like you could say good morning uh remote control and it'll say in a sexy female voice, Good morning Joe. Um. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] In fact we already have this for a coffee maker line [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Lot of single people on the um on the re on the remote control research team [speaker003:] [vocalsound] On the remote control [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah. Very true, very true. [speaker001:] at the [gap] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] right. Um, another concept is what uh Apple has come up with, the spinning wheel with uh LC display like on the uh iPod [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker003:] which I am sure most of you know about. [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker003:] Um and then we have the scroll button with integrated push-button, kind of like a modern [gap] a bit bulky, a bit crazy, [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker003:] I don't think that's we're necessarily going for. [speaker002:] No. [speaker003:] And uh some special components, uh ideas like uh blocking, having the ability to block channels from your [disfmarker] for your children um and uh dedicated buttons for for commonly used uh channels and even uh ideas like secured or hidden programming but uh I [disfmarker] again if we go with touch screen I don't think that's a big issue. Um and uh this is kind of the uh the big daddy of remote controls here. [speaker004:] Hmm. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Uh the jumbo universal remote control is almost impossible to misplace or lose. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] Yeah, I can see. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Um, again probably not what we're going for [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] so I [disfmarker] I mean my ideas here and kind of where I think we're heading is something slightly larger than a regular iPod uh with a hard cla c uh plastic casing [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker003:] although I think some of the suggestions we've come up with are definitely uh very good ideas. Uh changeable casings uh [disfmarker] our design team was possibly talking about including one extra face plate with the package to kind of set the idea that you can change it [speaker004:] Mm, right. [speaker003:] and you can try changing it and kind of get used to thinking about maybe buying another one which can add value to our uh bottom line. Uh touch screen interface, um possibly having go-to buttons being uh stuck into the system so those don't move away from the screen, uh, the important ones like power, volume and jump between channels. Um, and of course our voice command system which I've talked a little bit about already [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker003:] and uh the use of recognisable colours and shapes to aid recognition of the features um that are around so red for power, um arrows for different volume ups and downs and channels ups and downs and what not. [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker003:] And uh perhaps even adding in some stupid little jokes with the voice recognition idea like perh mm for instance my toastie maker that I got from my bank [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] has jokes when it's ready. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Nice. [speaker001:] Great. [speaker003:] And uh that is about it. [speaker001:] Great, wonderful Ron, cool. Lot of good ideas, good facts to have. [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker001:] That's what they need, it's like a little dongle it just sticks up this further so you don't have to stand up every time, just connect it, my kingdom. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker001:] Right so, good to know all that stuff, thanks guys, um. [vocalsound] Now we kind of have to come to some decisions, um, I figure we can just go down the line and all three of us can have a chat about it. Um. Based on what Nathan presented as far as the um [vocalsound] various costs and benefits um I think, I dunno, what do you guys think about the touch screen at this point? [speaker004:] I think it's our most marketable feature just because it's so new and it's something that is showing up in other places. [speaker001:] 'Kay. 'Kay. [speaker004:] But can we really afford it 'cause it looks like they would be, that would be a really main cost source then [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] right? [speaker002:] My estimate is that in order to incorporate touch screen technology it's gonna cost us upwards of seventeen fifty Euro per remote, [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] To produce each one. [speaker004:] Per? [speaker002:] yeah that's just an estimate though. [speaker004:] Piece. [speaker003:] Oh you guys are always the dampers on these projects. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] I know [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker003:] You industrial designers. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] I know. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Hmm. [speaker002:] It's fun. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] And our goal was to be under twelve fifty or we have to be under twelve fifty? [speaker001:] Well. [speaker004:] Do we remember? [speaker002:] I thought there was some flexibility with that. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker001:] There is, it's just, it is a question of [disfmarker] and how much ca o does that mean we're gonna have to increase the price to make money. [speaker004:] Can we justify it? [speaker001:] Um, from twelve fifty if we d wanna get our fift uh hundred per cent profit margin [vocalsound] um that would mean selling it from twenty five. If you multiply seventeen fifty by two that's thirty five. [speaker004:] Right. [speaker001:] So [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Where do you guys come up with these numbers? [speaker002:] That's just off the top of my head, [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] it is pending further emails. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] From the board, [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Right. [speaker001:] um, well [vocalsound] [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Though I think that's what people would pay for, [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] I mean if you're gonna pay for an expensive high class remote, you're gonna expect it to do something [disfmarker] [speaker001:] That's true, I mean [disfmarker] [speaker002:] It is the new [disfmarker] it would be in a class of its own. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] And that's [disfmarker] to be fair the um the per cent of the market [disfmarker] we're not going for mass any you know, mass sales anyway, we're gonna make [disfmarker] I mean we we're not talking about selling eight zillion of these things, we just couldn't, not for twenty-five Euros, [speaker004:] Right. [speaker001:] so we could probably maybe shrink the profit margins rather than selling for twenty five, sell 'em for thirty, but that's something that we can have finance deal with. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Um, I say that we provisionally go with the touch screen or wh y wh what was your thought on the matter Ron? [speaker003:] I'm thinking that's uh definitely a good idea and I also think that we could probably come up with some sort of a cheaper uh means to to go about this kind of production, [speaker004:] See if we can cut some corners. [speaker003:] my my team in the uh [disfmarker] on the third floor suggested that uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Right. Well and we can look into this other manufacturing option, and maybe we can get 'em somewhere else cheaper. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] It's true. We could initially go with what we have and if we can find them cheaper later on [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Right. It's a starting point anyway, so. [speaker001:] No we could have a s very simple touch screen, you know, there's always the opportunity, if it's gonna be about the size of the iPod or whatever, you know, w we [disfmarker] yeah, I guess we can play around with it a bit. Alright, let's let's say that okay so the touch screen will be our [vocalsound] um [vocalsound] our main selling point here. [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] So [disfmarker] [speaker003:] I mean I think that we really have two main selling points, [speaker004:] Yeah 'cause with voice recognition [disfmarker] [speaker003:] I think that our casing and the voice recognition [disfmarker] [speaker004:] I mean really this is pretty bells and whistles kinda remote. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] The voice rec thing, [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] I mean, [vocalsound] if if we're looking at bottom line, now we're looking at upping the cost to seventeen to get the touch screen on, [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] I think we might have to drop the voice rec. [speaker004:] I think we'd have to decide between 'em definitely. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] To be honest, we have the capa we have the design in-house, [speaker004:] Price-wise. [speaker003:] I mean we've we've come up with this, with this new voice [disfmarker] [speaker004:] True. [speaker003:] we're using it for our coffee machines already. [speaker004:] We've already got it. [speaker003:] I can pass you on that email from my uh guy in uh [disfmarker] guy down the hall. Sounds good. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Hmm. What do you think on it Nathan? About the voice rec? [speaker002:] I think if we [disfmarker] we do both the [disfmarker] obviously production costs are going to go way up um but it does put it into [disfmarker] it'd become the Rolls Royce of remote controls basically. [speaker004:] Pretty much. [speaker002:] It would be very nice. [speaker003:] I mean we we have to r reflect back on what our market research did say. [speaker004:] Right and they said they wanted voice recognition. Course, maybe they hadn't thought of this whole touch screen option, but definitely we know the market is there for voice recognition so to say we have the technology and we're not gonna use it even though we know it'll sell is a call I don't think I can give the highs ups. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker004:] Like really I can't go in and say no we're gonna just ignore everything we know. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Does having both really up our costs? [speaker001:] [vocalsound] I can't see how it wouldn't, I mean, there's you know the old aphorism, you can have it fast, you can have it cheap or you can have it quality, pick two of three. You know, you can't you can't have all three. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah, 'cause you [disfmarker] you just upping the number of chips that you need to deal with each different function. [speaker001:] It's just impossible. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Well if we're gonna pick betwe e alright so we have to pick between one of the two. Um. Otherwise, yeah, we just [disfmarker] it just becomes cost prohibitive. What [disfmarker] which, which do we suspect we should hold o we should hold on to? [speaker004:] Well, we already have research backing voice recognition as you know fiscally solvent. But uh I I I personally would tend to another direction but if that's what's gonna sell I think that's what we need to go with and maybe we can table this touch screen for our next model. [speaker002:] I would have to side with that, I think the voice recognition is simpler, [speaker001:] 'Kay. [speaker002:] we already have the [disfmarker] all the technology in-house, it's ready to go, it's packaged, it's [disfmarker] [speaker001:] What does the cost look like Ron? Is it cheaper to do the VR or to do the uh touch screen? [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Well my p [vocalsound] is [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Nathan? [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker002:] Um, this is just off the top of my head keep in mind, but I think the voice recognition would [disfmarker] they're both mm they're both gonna push the costs up, but um, since we already have the technology in-house for the voice recognition [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker002:] we're not gonna have to do as much design work [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Right. [speaker002:] and sometimes the design work is what push the costs up, if you know what I mean. [speaker001:] Right. [speaker004:] Right. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Um, I definitely have to agree with that last comment. [speaker004:] And we're still not [disfmarker] then we don't have to deal with this battery issue nearly as much either, [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker004:] we can stick with what we've already got. In a lot other ways too. [speaker001:] Okay. So I'm getting [disfmarker] alright so more or less you guys think that o o of the two of 'em, the voice recognition will be better. Okay. [speaker004:] I think it's our lower risk option which for right now [disfmarker] we can have it on the market sooner [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] which is all in all our best option. [speaker001:] Okay. Sorted. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] We will omit the touch screen in favour of voice recognition. [speaker003:] It's you and me outside a little here. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] So and when are we gonna have basic prototypes coming up next that's [disfmarker] you guys's next step right? [speaker001:] Yeah, well we'll we'll sic we'll sort out what it [disfmarker] what [vocalsound] f what else we're gonna talk about for the prototype [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Right. [speaker001:] but yeah that's our next step, it'll be a developing of prototype. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker002:] Are we going to talk now about um the materials that we're gonna use for the case and all those things? [speaker001:] Yes. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] We'll just run through it yeah, yeah, um. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] You discussed either a lithium or a solar power. Would the solar power be enough to fuel a voice recognition? Or this kinesthetic one, would that be enough to fuel a voice recognition remote control? [speaker002:] Um, the solar power definitely would be but I think just to keep people from getting annoyed, 'cause sometimes solar power fails and there's no way round that, we should install a small backup battery. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Just to cover those moments when for whatever reason, the remote hasn't been exposed to [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Well what of people with like the TV in their basement, [speaker001:] Mm. Yep. [speaker004:] like what if [disfmarker] wha we can't guarantee sunlight everywhere so having a secondary source is probably [disfmarker] [speaker002:] It's true. Yeah, it works about the same as a solar powered calculator, [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Calculator. [speaker002:] and you know how those those don't really require that much light, [speaker004:] Yeah. True. True. [speaker002:] um, but obviously a little more light than a calculator, but we're not talking about a lot of light. Doesn't have to be out taking a sunbath for a few hours a day or anything. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] Right. [speaker004:] Right. Okay. [speaker001:] Okay. What do you think Ron? [speaker003:] I'm willing to agree with everything that's been said. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] Uh I have to say though that um another idea's come up in my head. If we're really not uh handling the remote control to a great extent we could possibly get away from the idea of having a hand-held remote control and maybe kind of have a round remote control that kind of looks like a paperweight or something like that, kind of a sleek little uh neat thing that sits on your table or something. [speaker004:] Uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Hmm. [speaker002:] Hmm. [speaker004:] Interesting. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker002:] Why, why moving away from hand-held, why? [speaker003:] Just a thought. [speaker002:] What's the uh idea? [speaker003:] Well if you don't need to pick it up it could kind of be a selling point. [speaker004:] I if it's got voice recognition it can be technically anywhere in your room and still do its job. [speaker002:] Hmm. Do you think people that are [disfmarker] people that buy a remote, are they always gonna wanna use the voice recognition or is it just something that they do sometimes. [speaker004:] True, and i probabl I think we're banking on selling it to more than just voice recognition people, like we want it to work fundamentally as a basic manual too, [speaker001:] Well we have to have buttons on it too as well. [speaker004:] right. [speaker001:] But that's done, that's no bother I mean if you look at the catalogue from places like with sharper image or whatever you know they might have [disfmarker] or like um [vocalsound] who is it, Apple makes these really pretentious speakers with the th sub-woofers you know like clear and glass [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] and you know and then they got these little pyramidal type of um speakers. [speaker002:] Right. [speaker004:] Yep. Yeah. [speaker001:] I mean, why not have a little rounded kind of thing, it could still have the basic buttons on it. Um, 'cause we're going for basic functionality primarily as well. [speaker004:] With the bu yeah. [speaker001:] And maybe a menu button and so forth, you know um use a channel button to scroll through the menu d if they want to record programmes or whatever you know I mean we can sort that out. [speaker002:] I think, I think you're on to something [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] because we need to escape the traditional shape of a remote. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Maybe something that looks nice on a table is [disfmarker] would be good, even though [disfmarker] and hand-held the same time. [speaker004:] True. Way to go. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] I think it's all about following Apple's lead on a lot of these things. [speaker004:] Yeah I'm thinking of the airport portal, [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] you know like that little pod looking thing? [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker002:] Yeah, [speaker003:] Exactly. [speaker002:] those are nice. [speaker001:] Yeah, I mean a nice [disfmarker] although we do um wh uh is [disfmarker] I'm recalling that she mentioned that we n need to get away from the surgical white kind of brushed aluminium thing [speaker004:] Right. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] and get back to it but you could have a very tasteful um wood coloured or earth tone kind of um [disfmarker] [speaker004:] That would be kinda neat. Terracotta bowl or something. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Still, I mean, yeah, along those lines. [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker001:] Yeah I like that, I like that idea a lot. Um, let's see what we can do as far as that goes. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] And the uh the material like the plastics and so forth, we were discussing that being uh [disfmarker] using like a rubber kind of softer feel, [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker001:] um you know li lik if you feel the the tip on this pen it's a bit [disfmarker] gives just a bit. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] You know something where it's uh a a more advanced f form of plastic that has some kind of a tactile response to it. [speaker002:] Right. Just kind of the squishy feel. [speaker004:] Yeah, which is the next big thing, so that's not gonna hurt us either. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Mm 'kay. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah let's see if we can do a squishy non-remote control-looking remote control. But to be fair, yeah, I mean, you just c you could just put it [disfmarker] literally put it on the the ni the coffee table next to the telly and say volume up. [speaker004:] Right. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yeah I like it, I like the idea, that's good. [speaker004:] Handy. [speaker001:] Um and we've sorted of discussed costs, [vocalsound] um. I guess we'll a that's gonna be uh a thing, if we run a bit over-budget, that might be okay, um. [speaker002:] Sorry about the uh lack of information on cost, I just haven't been provided that information by our manufacturers [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker002:] and I'm just having to guess. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] We'll have more of an idea when the prototype [disfmarker] have more of a [disfmarker] we'll have more of an idea later on. Um. And we just yeah go from there. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Um, so we've revisited the touch screen and more or less ruled that out, um, I think so we're more or less con we [disfmarker] wh wh we're more or less in agreement that we want to have a um [vocalsound] a simple kind of function, you know, not too complex. [speaker004:] Mm. Right. Well when the majority of people are only using the most primary functions on a daily basis, although I'm not saying we should completely rule out major functions, they should be secondary, at least if not functionally then visually, like those shouldn't be [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Right. [speaker001:] Like maybe have menu things. [speaker004:] Take precedence, [speaker002:] If, if we're not going the touch-screen route then we can um just incorporate maybe something that folds out [speaker004:] yeah. [speaker002:] like what you often see on these kinds of remotes is the most basic functions up here [speaker004:] Right. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker002:] and something that slides down to reveal the you know more complicated things. [speaker004:] And they slide. [speaker001:] Yes. [speaker004:] Well and do we wanna consider like an iPod screen which isn't a touch screen but you're still scrolling through menu options, in p [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Think then we're hitting our cost issue again. [speaker004:] True, [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yeah [speaker004:] we're still not making it easier then. [speaker001:] we've also got the the me the thing of, [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] if we're gonna have a non-remote-looking remote, how do we [disfmarker] yeah. [speaker004:] True. Fair enough. [speaker001:] B But no I mean we could do a slide or a compartment, you know, like if it [disfmarker] say it's a lit little vaguely ovoidal type of thing, it'd be easy to have a compartment in there. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Or you know, a b a b a a series of you know three or four buttons with a menu button and then a side an s up and down type of thing, like on um [disfmarker] like on a DVD player. You know [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] you see the modern DVD players'll just have um a menu button on the side and then four buttons around them [speaker004:] Yeah it's just a scroll. [speaker001:] and you can just kind of manoeuvre through the menu like that. [speaker002:] Right. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] So are we gonna [disfmarker] are we talking [disfmarker] we need to figure out what kind of buttons we're going to use, are we going to use scroll buttons? Rubber buttons? Um [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Well it seems like [vocalsound] I dunno it seems to me that we could just do the um [disfmarker] stick with the rubber 'cause since we're probably gonna be using some kind of um [vocalsound] rubber for the outside case [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] we might as well stick with that um. [speaker004:] Probably. [speaker002:] Right. [speaker003:] I think to a certain extent we have to stick with uh kind of uh a little bit traditional in terms of the buttons and then and then make our unique feature our casing and what not and our voice command. [speaker004:] Right. Mm. Well no it's basic just like four directions that are [disfmarker] that can use as menu or channel and volume or however you wanna do it, are really versatile and everybody's already got them to some extent on the remotes they already own so it's not like we're dealing with everybody relearning things 'cause that's not something anybody's gonna wanna buy a new for. [speaker002:] Right. [speaker001:] Mm 'kay, um. [vocalsound] We've already kind of covered this as well. That seems to be selling [vocalsound] um and we we've more or less agreed that we want to kar target this youth market, um. [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Especially now with eighteen to thirty five year olds being such a large quantity of the population. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Right, particularly in technological fields, so that's exactly where we're headed. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. Okay. [vocalsound] Um. Yeah alright, well, more or less covered what we need to cover I think fi an an any final thoughts before we think about doing the protot moving on to the prototype. [speaker003:] Well what are we actually doing? [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Right. [speaker003:] What were [disfmarker] [speaker001:] I was just gonna step on to um [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Uh. Oh it wasn't in the way but [disfmarker] yeah, whatever. [speaker001:] I wasn't? Oh, my bad [vocalsound] um sorry. [speaker004:] No, don't worry about it. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] The um, yeah okay I was just gonna assign tasks in the next [speaker003:] Sure. [speaker001:] b anyth any oth any other final thoughts before we go ahead and [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker001:] [disfmarker] cool? [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker002:] So have we decided that we are gonna go with different style cases for different people? Or are we just going to go with one? [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Um. [speaker002:] It's very, it's very hard thing to predict because you have different cases [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] and that might open up your market a little bit obviously, but if you have just one case and it doesn't go very well [disfmarker] mm. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Right. [speaker002:] It's a tough situation, but obviously having more cases also costs more so [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Well then again colours wouldn't be so hard to do, you could have uh a, you know, a um uh kind of a natural wood colour, like a stained wood and um, I don't know, olive green or something. [speaker002:] There's an idea. [speaker004:] Mm. Yeah. [speaker001:] That wouldn't be so much of a problem to incorporate into the colour of the [gap] thing. [speaker003:] And again copying iMac's kind of [disfmarker] for iPod Mac Apple's uh colour scheme. [speaker004:] Yeah, get in there. Yeah, totally. [speaker001:] Yeah, I think that's probably a good id okay so let's work on [vocalsound] uh multiple case colours. But yeah, stick with the same kind of kinda [disfmarker] yeah, the same basic non-remote kind of remote design. Cool. Alright, so we'll have the next meeting about half an hour, um. I want the uh [disfmarker] I'd like [disfmarker] Nathan, I'd like you to work on just the basic look and feel, what can we accomplish, um, given these parameters that we're just gonna sort of have this kind of uh non-remote remote. Um, what are our broad constraints before we deve design a prototype. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Right. [speaker001:] And um Ron if you can figure out how probably best to lay out this idea of this simple design with the voice recognition built in and also this kind of drop down or s on the side kind of menu options simple. Somehow work out how we can get this all s in the same place. Um, and if you can check product evaluation with m some pilots and stuff. Um I need you guys to work together on making a prototype, [vocalsound] um [vocalsound] using um [vocalsound] prototype building materials um [vocalsound]. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] And also um specific instructions will be sent to you by your coaches as well. [speaker002:] Oh excellent yeah. [speaker001:] So that's what to start with for now, is that alright, [speaker004:] Cool. [speaker001:] you guys feel clear about this? [speaker002:] That sounds good. [speaker003:] Fabulous. [speaker001:] Alright. I guess we'll just hit the bricks. Thanks guys. [speaker004:] Cool.

[speaker001:] So we can start? [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Suppose I have to do my presentation. [vocalsound] Eh um [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Ah okay. It's Ada Longmund? [speaker001:] [vocalsound] So, I'll present myself, I'm Ada Longmund, and as you may know it, I'm the pr project manager. So um we will have to um speak about m the project. Our project project is to create um a new remote control and as you may know there's lot of industrials interesting in creating a remote control, so the remote control has to be original, trendy and um user-friendly. Record. So the project method is the following. So if we're um the functional design, you have to do uh any individual work and uh also work with uh meetings talking with each other. Uh it will be the same for the conceptual design and also the same for the detailed design. Uh. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] The tool training is to try out the white board, [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] so [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Maybe someone ha we have to [gap] this whiteboard, yeah? [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Maybe you can draw your favourite animal [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] and make a list of its favourite characteristics. [speaker004:] So right now? [speaker001:] I don't know if we have to do it now, [speaker002:] So yeah I think you can do it. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] maybe later later. [speaker003:] Yeah, I don't know. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] So the selling price of the product will be twenty five Euros. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Twenty five Euros? [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker001:] Yeah. Yeah. [vocalsound] I think it's quite good price, yeah. [speaker003:] I it's it's reasonable, s quite [disfmarker] [speaker004:] It's reasonable, I think, yeah. [speaker003:] yeah. Twenty five. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] And uh [speaker003:] Is [disfmarker] [speaker001:] it will uh be a an international remote control, as we want to sell it in the entire world, and the product costs will be not more than twelve Euros and fifty centimes. So, as you will discuss about the remote control you will have to experience your um [disfmarker] with the remote control. Um just uh maybe be imaginative with [vocalsound] remote const con controls, [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] try to create something new and people would like to to buy. And [vocalsound] and the next meeting will start in thirty minutes, so you'll ha all have your spethisfispis specif specific role and you know [disfmarker] I suppose you know what you have to do. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yeah. I I hope so [vocalsound] [speaker001:] And uh you will have to work on the design and also to work on the design of th technical fun functions of the remote control and think of the user requirement specifications. [speaker004:] Those things just refer to each of each of us, I think. AMI [speaker002:] Yep. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] and [disfmarker] okay. [speaker001:] ID, yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] So [disfmarker] [speaker003:] ID is for the Industrial Design, yeah? [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker003:] And UID, it's for the User Interface Designer, [speaker002:] That's me. [speaker004:] Okay, and Marketing Expert, it's me. [speaker003:] yeah? AMI yeah project. [speaker001:] So I will manage all all the group. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] you will be the manager [vocalsound] yeah [vocalsound] [speaker004:] You can manage all this, yeah. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker004:] Good. [speaker001:] So you have questions? [speaker004:] Um. Not really. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] So [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker001:] you all know what the parts of the work you have to do. [speaker004:] So which [disfmarker] you, the Industrial Designer. [speaker002:] No I'm user interf I'm user interface design. [speaker003:] I am the Industrial Design, yeah [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. And you? [speaker003:] I am the Industrial Designer so. [speaker001:] Mm okay. [speaker002:] Okay. So [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] what's the difference between [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] user interface design d industrial design? [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Hmm. [speaker004:] I mean, you have to know. Ah, you have to know it. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] It's difficult. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] It's your job, so I hope you you know what it is. [speaker003:] You know very soon. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yeah, I think so. [speaker003:] So [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker001:] I suppose you have to design it and you have to take care of the industrial way to transform it. [speaker002:] Okay, so I make uh u user interface. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] You you de you implement the core functions in the [disfmarker] [speaker001:] And i maybe you will transform it [vocalsound]. [speaker003:] I I think the user the user interface design is [disfmarker] he will design how the user will you know [disfmarker] the relation between the user and you know the remote control so [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Use it. Make make [disfmarker] yeah. [speaker003:] And the uh industrial design, it is how the object will look like. [speaker002:] Maybe I think uh uh i industrial design's uh, it's the function design. [speaker003:] Yeah. So the materi [speaker002:] I design the user f user interface, you design the function. [speaker001:] Maybe, it is the outside and the inside. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker003:] Okay right. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker003:] But [disfmarker] I was thinking that he's a user [disfmarker] 'cause the user interface to design for example where the but button will be, you know. [speaker002:] Yeah yeah. [speaker003:] But I don't know. [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker004:] Well. You know. [speaker003:] I'm the industrial designer. [speaker004:] Oh, okay, okay. Not the other one. [speaker003:] So. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker003:] Okay. So and the marketing expert will [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah, I'm just go I'm trying to give you some trends about what should be done and what the users would like to have [speaker001:] And [disfmarker] [speaker004:] and then thi this would [vocalsound] I guess converged to the User Interface Designer wi and then Industrial Designer. [speaker001:] yeah. [speaker003:] Ok Okay. [speaker001:] And when designing y the remote control just remember that uh it has to be a kind of international product. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] So you don't have to do something really specific, [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] as everybody everybody will have to use it, [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker001:] it's sor the same as keyboards. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] You know, you have Qwerty, Azerty, French and UK keyboard, [speaker002:] Mm. Yeah. [speaker001:] so really the remote control to be international. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] And not too expensive. [speaker002:] Yeah. And uh simple. [speaker001:] As we want to maximise the benefit. [speaker002:] And easy to use. [speaker004:] And you have to keep it under twelve Euros and f fifty, so. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah, [speaker002:] Ah, yeah. [speaker001:] you have to keep in mind that the product cost won't be maxim more than twelve dot fifty Euros. [speaker004:] That's the problem. [speaker003:] It should be [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Okay. Okay. [speaker001:] And to be sure that really people will be interested in buying a new remote control with maybe new functionalities that don't exist in the mm existing remote controls now. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Okay. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] So, is it okay? [speaker004:] Mm. It's clear. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] There was a step about drawing something in the in the board, I don't know. [speaker004:] Yeah, maybe should go and draw an animal. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Is it? [vocalsound] Are we supposed to do right now? [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yeah yeah, you try. Try first. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Oh right it's it's from the left to the ri [vocalsound] It's [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] So you think we have to do it now? [speaker003:] I d I was thinking but I n I'm not sure now. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] You can draw something which is very simple. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Oh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] You want me to draw something? [speaker003:] Everybody [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Product manager [disfmarker] okay, [speaker002:] Oh, maybe we should bring Kemy here. [speaker001:] let's go, I will try. [speaker002:] Kemy is really good at drawing. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Many [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] I think everybody should do it, so. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] It's not matter [vocalsound] So. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] You're going to draw? [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker004:] Uh it's the same as mine. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] yeah. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] What's this? [speaker003:] It's a [disfmarker] [vocalsound] It's a cat. [speaker002:] It's a fat cat. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] It is not a fat cat. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] It's the fat cat, okay. [speaker003:] Yeah, it is a [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Can you draw uh um rabbit? [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Oh, hat ha rat. [speaker004:] A rat? [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] That's difficult. [speaker003:] Yes you have to draw a rat if you want a rat. [speaker001:] No. A mouse is not too difficult. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] It's your rat. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah, it's okay. [speaker001:] Mouse is okay. [speaker004:] Yeah. Just go, you you the closest to the whiteboard. [speaker003:] Okay, go [disfmarker] [gap] right, but in grow, it's [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker004:] Jus [speaker003:] everybody has to grow [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Oh. Okay, I draw. The only thing I can draw is like this. Oh. Oh. Oh. [speaker004:] A duck. [speaker002:] No. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] You love the eyes. [speaker003:] What are you [disfmarker] I don [vocalsound] [speaker002:] What's this? [speaker003:] no idea, so [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah, that was the eyes. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] A clown. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Rabbit. [speaker003:] It's a rabbit. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Pikachu. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] It's a rabbit. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Oh yeah. Bugs Bunny one. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker003:] It's not so bad so. [speaker002:] The only thing I can draw, because it's very simple. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Okay. I go. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [gap] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] What? Oh. So what else? This was my favourite one, [speaker003:] [vocalsound] So you don't have a [disfmarker] [speaker004:] but [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Thank you. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] A fish. [speaker004:] Right. A fish. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] That's a that's a fish? Okay, [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] let's try to draw something. [speaker001:] You forgot the chips. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Oh yeah, [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] doesn't look so fine. [speaker003:] Have to be really careful. [speaker001:] Fish and chips. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Okay, [speaker003:] Ah [vocalsound] it's my turn. [speaker004:] it's your turn. [speaker002:] Oh. Okay, be careful. [speaker003:] Okay. So. [gap] [gap] It's ok [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Of [speaker002:] No problem, no problem. [speaker003:] So, what can I draw some more? [speaker001:] Oh [gap]. [gap]? [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [gap]? No. Mm [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [gap]. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah, it's it's a se it's my priority this one. Yeah. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker002:] A person? [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] No. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] It's a really crazy dog [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Oh yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Dog. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker004:] Good. [speaker003:] Transfer. It's a dog in a village. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] So what are you sug going to do now? [gap] [speaker004:] I think it's done. [speaker001:] Yeah, I think [disfmarker] [speaker003:] It's done? [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] yeah. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] Just have to [disfmarker] [speaker002:] So we have break. [speaker001:] present project, discuss a little bit about it. [speaker003:] Oh my God. [speaker004:] Oh, we have twenty five minutes for the meeting. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker001:] So, [speaker002:] Oh. [speaker001:] if you have questions. [speaker002:] Hmm. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Know what time is it? No. [speaker002:] No. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] It's okay? [speaker003:] Yeah, it's okay. [speaker001:] You know your job? you know your job? [speaker003:] [vocalsound] We have an idea yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] You know your job? [speaker003:] I have an idea of my job [vocalsound] so [disfmarker] yeah so. Yeah. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker004:] Good.

[speaker003:] Okay. [speaker004:] Or you get it. Okay. [speaker003:] No I don't think so it has to be like that yeah and you have to adjust the length. Okay, and then. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] So we uh [disfmarker] we will wait for Anna, a few minutes. [speaker003:] Yeah, s yeah, um. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Mm [vocalsound]. Yours is well [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] I think you can put anywhere you want, actually. [speaker004:] Yeah [speaker003:] I thin [speaker004:] but the the mic should not [disfmarker] [speaker003:] It's not a directional mic, anyway. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] I think it should work like this. [speaker003:] Uh. [speaker002:] So I will try to get my presentation running. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker004:] Mm. Can't help you with that. [speaker003:] Last. [speaker002:] It's no matter. [speaker004:] Okay, it's y yeah. [speaker002:] No problem. Ah yes. [speaker004:] Right. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker004:] Then press uh al [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker004:] This. [speaker002:] I don't know. [speaker004:] You know? [speaker002:] Just try. [speaker003:] 'Kay. [speaker002:] On this normal [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Oh oh. [speaker003:] Alt F five. [speaker002:] Good. Doesn't appear on the screen here. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Right well [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Oh. [speaker004:] Wow. Amazing. It's working [vocalsound]. [speaker002:] Okay. Thank you. [vocalsound] Uh. [speaker001:] Hold that. [speaker002:] Yes and you can put can clip it uh on your [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] Somewhere. [speaker001:] Okay. Mm. [speaker002:] So, [vocalsound] good morning, everyone. Um [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Welcome at uh [disfmarker] at the kick off meeting of our uh latest project. I hope you all have been uh updated about it. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Good. [speaker003:] So. Yes. [speaker002:] So w we will try to structure this uh meeting with an a with an agenda uh as presented here. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Um after the opening we will tr get acquainted to each other. See what our roles are in this project. So, um [disfmarker] We have been provided with uh some uh w technical tools to uh [disfmarker] to communicate and to well, learn from each other's plans uh as I can say um so w we will also try to uh to get acquainted to this tools so they are also new to me I don't know whether you worked with them before. Um then we will come to the uh to the to the actual project plan. You all know I hope [vocalsound] how it's about uh the uh new r remote control we are going going to design. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] Total. [speaker002:] Uh then we will uh discuss uh, well, how it should be and uh [disfmarker] wh what uh what our new product should look lite [disfmarker] like. And uh well then uh after some twenty five minutes I hope uh we can end this meeting. So. Um basically this is about a uh a new c remote control. Um [disfmarker] We [disfmarker] When you design a new product you of [disfmarker] uh you of course want it to be original. Be uh [disfmarker] we want to be distinguished, mm? People uh want to uh when they look at the shelf want to think, well that's the product I I need. So it needs to be trendy. I mean trendy is what people want, so then I w they will buy our product. But then, uh, it also should work uh user friendly and uh otherwise people uh uh well it will not be uh be rated very well in consumer uh articles and like that. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] So, the general outline of uh new project will be we first uh go through a functional design phase. Um [disfmarker] You all get uh um certain task uh in this uh in this phase and uh then we will meet again and uh discuss this functional design. And the same holds for the uh ph two phases uh after this, the conceptual design and after that a a more detailed design in which the the final project should get its definite shape. Alright, but first we will do some uh tool training. In all in front of you uh you see uh the uh notebooks and w uh n note blocks and we have here a a [disfmarker] a [disfmarker] a white-board. [speaker003:] Whitebo [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] And um well it should work uh [disfmarker] I've read it from my uh from some colleague that it should work with some kind of toolbar. I didn't find out yet how it work, but maybe one of you did, so [disfmarker] Um [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Under documents in the shared folder. Okay. [speaker002:] Yes. Do [disfmarker] Do we have to say something about that? I I I'm not fully updated about this shared folder uh. [speaker004:] Yeah, I guess we'll have a shared folder uh with documents that we can share. And uh, yeah. [speaker002:] Yes well we will then find out ho how it works. [speaker004:] Yes. [speaker002:] Um. Well, this seems to me, yes, some computer program but I didn't find it yet. So, we'll come to that later. So, uh now we will try out the white-board we have here. So, I would suggest uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Each of us is going. [speaker002:] Well, yes, um we uh we should try to t to draw on it and then well it should be smart some way. I [disfmarker] [vocalsound] I'm not really sure how this works, but [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Okay, shall I start? [speaker001:] Mm. Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah, you can start it you know. [speaker002:] Yes, a good idea Mael. [speaker001:] I think for us it's just like a normal whiteboard, but they'll be recording what we write down. [speaker004:] So, i [speaker003:] No they will record through that. There's a sensor over there [speaker001:] Mm. Mm. [speaker003:] which is going to record the strokes that you make. [speaker001:] But for us it's just like a normal whiteboard. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] 'Kay. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] But it's [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Actually, I think I cannot go with uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] You [disfmarker] you [disfmarker] D doesn't it work? Maybe someo Maybe [disfmarker] maybe Anna, maybe you can start. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Then he can maybe find out to get his cord right. [speaker001:] I have to draw. [speaker002:] So um [disfmarker] L Why don't you draw uh [vocalsound] your favourite animal on on th on the white-board. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] M my [disfmarker] my favourite animal. [vocalsound] Sorry this is all tangled up here. [speaker002:] Oh, I see uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] That's better. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yeah. Yes. Mm. So draw it. We will try to guess what it is. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [vocalsound] I'm a very bad drawer. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Weird. Um. You're not gonna be able to guess from my drawing. I'm a bad drawer. Okay. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] They're ears, by the way. [speaker003:] 's a cat. [speaker001:] No. Um close though. Okay so [disfmarker] like a pet animal. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Like a cat. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] It's like a cat, so I guess it's a cat. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] No, not a cat though. [speaker002:] What is this now? [speaker003:] Ah you forget about it. [speaker004:] You're on the knife. [speaker003:] Yeah, uh I think it's fine. I just don't want to carry it off. Man, this wires, eh? We need a wireless microphone. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] You know? Pro specially we should next project we should take l like that. [speaker002:] So, [speaker001:] Okay. So. [speaker002:] that's the cat. [speaker001:] It's not a cat, [speaker002:] Oh. [speaker001:] it's a dog. [speaker003:] So. [speaker004:] Mael. [speaker002:] It's a dog. [speaker001:] Yes. [speaker002:] So but that's also kind of cat, [speaker003:] Oh the dog doesn't have a tail? [speaker002:] isn't it? [speaker001:] [vocalsound] It's got a tail then. [speaker002:] B bo both predators. [speaker003:] Yeah, sure, yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah yeah. [speaker003:] I thought so. The dogs have a tail. [speaker002:] So, thank you. [speaker001:] So do cats. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Uh d did you uh work out cord? [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] And you guessed cats without a tail. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah, I think I will go without [disfmarker] without it, [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] right? [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker003:] It'll still not extend, right? It's not up to that. [speaker001:] Okay, there you go. So what favourite characteristics. Uh. Dogs are always friendly and loyal and fun. A horse? [speaker003:] It's a horse. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] This is why you're the designer. And I'm marketing. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yes. Yes, yes this is [disfmarker] Yes definitely a horse. Yes. Oh very good. So [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Ah [vocalsound] [speaker002:] I suppose it [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Ah I think you can put that. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. That's it. [vocalsound] A blue and black zebra [vocalsound]. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yes. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Can [disfmarker] you can meet them in Africa, I think. Yes. Very good. So [disfmarker] [speaker001:] The very rare blue zebras. Yes. [speaker003:] [gap] I'll tell to get it off my [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Ma Matthew? [speaker003:] Uh? Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] So [disfmarker] [speaker001:] You got a lot of room here. [speaker002:] Maybe [disfmarker] [speaker001:] You can probably reach. [speaker003:] Oh y it's not for that. [speaker001:] No? [speaker003:] No. [speaker002:] I hope you have some space in your uh the horse of uh Mael. [speaker003:] Okay. Yeah. So what should I draw? Mm. He has already to do cat. [speaker001:] I took a dog. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Um. A mouse? [speaker002:] This looks likes a cat who has been driven over. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] And we should sum up its favourite charas characteristics, right? [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yes, the moustache. [speaker004:] So [disfmarker] [speaker002:] That's [disfmarker] that's definitely a cat. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] Uh yeah. And i Th They like to sleep, that's why you said you they are like this. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] It's quite, you know [disfmarker] relaxed situation. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yes. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yes, okay. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] She has the small legs. [speaker002:] Th thank you, Matthew. [speaker004:] Yeah. [vocalsound] Thank you, Matthew. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] It's a very big rat. Or a very small cat. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Perfect. [vocalsound] Oh a rat, okay. [speaker002:] Yes, this is certain uh [disfmarker] some contribution to our project. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] And you, [gap] [speaker001:] Mm 'kay. Your turn. [speaker002:] So. Let's see. Which animal has not been drawn yet. So you've all drawn land animals, so why not draw an animal from the water. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] A bird. Okay, in the water. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] Ah I don't know what that is. It's a bit [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Mm. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] It's a bit hard to guess. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] So [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Put it colours. Maybe it would help us. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yes. [speaker003:] The cat is going to eat the fish or the rat? [speaker004:] With different pen widths. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Mm-hmm [speaker002:] So [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Oh, it's a shark now. [speaker004:] Ah it's a shark, yeah. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Oh, yes, why not? [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Good idea. [speaker003:] Ah it's a baby shark, it looks to me, you know it's going to eat the cat rather than the cat eating the fish, no? [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker004:] Oh. [speaker001:] Now it's a swordfish. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Why not. A swordfish. [speaker004:] You have some in [disfmarker] in Australia, [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] right? [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Swordfish. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Um, maybe. [speaker004:] I dunno. [speaker001:] I've never seen one, no. [speaker004:] Oh well. Yeah. [speaker002:] I hope it still works. [speaker004:] Perfect. [speaker002:] So [disfmarker] [speaker004:] So I dunno if we need to spend time on that, actually [vocalsound] But uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] You should go for the next one it seems to me. [speaker002:] W Well, this uh this tool seemed to work. [speaker004:] Yeah, exactly, yeah. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Let's continue to uh [disfmarker] to the real stuff. [speaker004:] Wow. [speaker002:] Um our project uh finance uh thing. Uh when we are [disfmarker] and when w you are uh going to design w uh we must keep in mind that the selling price of the product uh will be about twenty five Euros, so when designing a project uh I also look at you uh Mael, keep in mind uh uh uh [disfmarker] People uh [speaker003:] Twenty four. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] want to get the feeling this is a twenty five Euro project uh pr um [speaker004:] Per remote control, [speaker002:] product. [speaker004:] yeah? [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker004:] Per project. [speaker002:] Yes. Okay. Um [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] more interesting for our company [vocalsound] of course, p uh profit aim, about fifty million Euro. So we have to sell uh quite a lot of this uh [vocalsound] um things. Uh we will try to uh to get at a international market uh so um it will be I think mainly Europe and uh Northern America, [speaker003:] Ah yeah, the sale man, four million. [speaker002:] maybe some uh Asian countries. Um also important for you all is um the the product uh production cost must be maximal uh twelve uh twelve Euro and fifty cents. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] So it's half of the selling price, if I am good in mathematics. [speaker002:] Yes, of course. Uh um I mean we still have to uh to make a profit, huh? [speaker004:] Of course. [speaker003:] They have to sell at least four million to make a profit [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Mm. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] You all have to be paid. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker003:] Ah [speaker002:] Excuse me? [speaker003:] we have to make [disfmarker] we have to sell at least four million to make our own profit. Fifty mill [speaker004:] Oh you're g very good in mathematics. [speaker001:] Yes. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yes, indeed. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Four million. [speaker002:] So uh well [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] I think w when we are working on the international market, uh in principle it has enough customers uh so when we have a good product we uh we could uh meet this this aim, I think. So, that about finance. And uh now just let have some discussion about what is a good remote control and uh well keep in mind this this first point, it has to be original, it has to be trendy, it has to be user friendly. Um, maybe someone can mention some additional uh prerequisites for a good remote control. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] Of course it should have a on off button. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Yes, well i it should have the the the the expected functionality uh of a remote control. [speaker001:] Mm. Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah, s and it depends what application you are using it for. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker003:] You might need uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] We wer we were thinking television. Uh. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker003:] We are targ targeting the television set. So, [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker003:] you need to record the channels. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] You need to browse the [disfmarker] browse the channels in upward downward way, [speaker002:] Yes, yes. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker002:] Th th that's very handy I [disfmarker] I always miss it and [disfmarker] on some remote controls that you can go channel up or down ins instead of retyping the number, especially when you have a lot of channels. [speaker003:] Uh [disfmarker] And [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Mm. Mm. [speaker003:] Uh, and [disfmarker] [speaker004:] And uh just before starting the detailed discussion, maybe we are the marketing guy? Or [disfmarker] [speaker001:] I'm marketing. [speaker004:] th [speaker003:] Marketing. [speaker004:] So you are the marketing. [speaker001:] Yep. [speaker004:] And you are in the u use user interface uh design. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yes. [speaker004:] So just [disfmarker] yeah [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] I wanted to to be sure. [speaker003:] Sure. [speaker004:] And I I'm the the industrial designer [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] okay. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yes. [speaker004:] Because I I don't know you very well, actually, but yeah. [speaker003:] Oh. I'm Matthew. You know. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Okay. Mael. [speaker003:] Matth s uh [speaker004:] Happy to meet you. [speaker001:] Anna. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker003:] Anna. [speaker004:] It's very uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] And [speaker002:] A and I'm Nanne. [speaker003:] um uh Matthew, yeah. I thi think you know me, [speaker002:] So [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Uh so yeah uh [disfmarker] Just uh on your web page but uh yeah not uh [disfmarker] not face to face. [speaker003:] yeah? right yeah. [speaker002:] Yes. So. Um [disfmarker] S [speaker004:] [vocalsound] So mm [disfmarker] [speaker003:] So. [speaker002:] S s [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] So [speaker002:] Are there some other very important things to to do [disfmarker] well, [speaker003:] So [disfmarker] [speaker004:] I [speaker002:] to specify in this first phase of of the project. So the browse function, as you m mentioned. [speaker001:] Mm. Yeah. Oth yeah. [speaker003:] And uh, you'd need the usual ones, like the changing the volume, changing the the channel and then [disfmarker] you uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yes. Yeah. [speaker003:] Today we have uh um teletext and all those things. Tomorrow you might have a some more functions which might come through that, so [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yes. [speaker004:] Like what? Like internet on the on TV? [speaker003:] Yeah [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker003:] IPO or. Now we are looking for television things or IP. For example personal video recorder and all those stuffs are coming up. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Mm. But we can't really design for something that hasn't been invented yet. [speaker003:] Yeah. Ah it's [disfmarker] it's [disfmarker] it's [disfmarker] it's coming up, actually. The personal video recorder and all those things it is coming up. [speaker002:] Mm, well uh I I think [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Actually, yeah [speaker002:] Uh w y you two should [disfmarker] should, I think, think this over uh w espec what, what functionality. [speaker003:] Let's [disfmarker] Let's take [disfmarker] [speaker004:] w [vocalsound] Of course, and first before um designing the func well thinking about the functionalities, we need to know what are the user requirements. [speaker001:] Mm. Yeah. [speaker004:] Um then if they need internet, then we would be able to to p to propose something with uh uh TV over IP. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Yeah. Mm. Yeah. But [disfmarker] Ninety percent of the time, ninety nine percent of the time, people will be using the main functions, the volume, the different channels, so we can have all the fancy things as well but the main controls need to be very obvious and very easy to use. [speaker002:] Mm mm mm. Keep k keep in mind i it's a [disfmarker] it's a twenty five Euro unit, so uh uh the the very fancy stuff uh w we can leave that out, I think. So [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker002:] twenty five Euro you expect a quite, well normal but good functioning user friendly remote control. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker003:] Oh in that case you can you always hook up with uh someone who is providing that and you know, [vocalsound] you [disfmarker] you sell their product as well as your product with them, you know. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker004:] Yeah, [speaker001:] So try and get TV manufacturers to [disfmarker] [speaker004:] but w w we want to design a new one. [vocalsound] Mm. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [vocalsound] No, it's okay, yeah I understand. So we need some numbering buttons, some teletext things [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] and then um [disfmarker] [speaker004:] The [disfmarker] Yeah, the main is browsing. Yeah. [speaker002:] Yes, but but but ab about the spec the buttons, the buttons uh that will be on it. I I think we can discuss that in the in the next meeting. [speaker003:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker002:] Uh I would like to get this wrapped up and go to an end of this meeting. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker002:] So [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Okay, we are alread mm. Mm. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker002:] So you know now the basic [disfmarker] the basic things. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] well just [disfmarker] just for the next meeting, um [speaker003:] L [speaker002:] well, uh, you wor yes, work on a design, keep it general, I mean [disfmarker] so w we will be still fle flexible with maybe adding some functions. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] So [disfmarker] Um you will be working on [disfmarker] on technical function design, so [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah, sure. [speaker002:] And uh you [disfmarker] and you and uh uh uh well, think about requirements, eh? [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Does it need internet, or or do do we stay at [speaker003:] Stam. [speaker002:] basic basic television uh interface. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] So, uh I think we should now all go work uh uh at this and uh you will be informed via email and other kind of communication. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. Yeah. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker002:] So [speaker004:] Perfect. [speaker002:] next meeting will be in uh [disfmarker] in thirty minutes uh. K keep it in mind.

[speaker001:] Alright, that did nothing. Okay. Welcome to the meeting everyone. Just gonna attempt to make this into a slide show. Sorry guys. [speaker004:] You may have to do the function F eight thing. [speaker001:] I did. Twice. [speaker004:] Oh, okay. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] This'll just take a moment. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Okay okay [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Or it won't. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Okay we'll have to deal with it like this then. [speaker002:] Okay. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Alright. Um. This is the first meeting uh for developing our, our new product. [gap] I'm Heather, I'm your Project Manager. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Hello. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Okay. So um. So that was the opening. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] The first thing we'll do is get acquainted with one another. If everyone could go around and explain their role and um, and their name. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Okay. My name's Poppy. I'm the Industrial Designer for this project. Um, I'm going to be responsible for the functional design phase. Also the conceptual design and the detailed design for the final product. [speaker001:] Nice to meet you Poppy. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] My name's Tara and I'm the User Interface Designer. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Okay. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] I will also be responsible for the functional design phase, the conceptual design phase and the detailed design phase of the user interface design. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Alright. [speaker004:] Hi, I'm Genevieve. I'm the Marketing Expert. I'm an expert at marketing. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Um, I'll be telling you guys about the user requirement specifications for our new product. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Um, I'll be doing some trend-watching in the conceptual design, and product evaluation for the design phase. [speaker001:] Alright I'm Heather and I've I said I'm your Project Manager, um Well you can pretty much read what it is that I'm doing. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] But um um [disfmarker] Yeah. And uh tool training is one thing that we're going to be doing today, um um as well as planning the project, how we're going to, uh, create this product, and, um, discuss, um, our aims and objects of this, Which brings us to our next subject, [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] is, um, um, as a team we're going to be designing and creating a new kind of remote control. Um, we want this to be a marketable product that can be trendy, um, a completely new style, so that, um, can really appeal to a, to a generation that doesn't want a simple plain kind of, uh, channel-changer. And, um, it needs to be user-friendly for, um, maybe, for an example, for people that, um, can't see the numbers as well, or, um, perhaps an ergonomic design. [speaker002:] Okay. So this is a television remote control? [speaker001:] Yes, it's a television remote control. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Right. I believe I should be taking minutes on this right now. So, alright. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] Um, yeah. Um, the way that we're going to go about this is, um, we'll have a time where we can, um come up with new ideas alone, and, and work on the project and then, um, after we've brainstormed and, and thought about, we can come together in a meeting and, and discuss what, what um, what kind of functional design we want to use. Same with conceptual design and detailed design. So, um, making sure that it, it's usable, that as a, um [disfmarker] and that it's, it's feasible to create, and uh, to come up with a concept of it want, what we want it to look like. Um, tool training. Is, is everyone, um [disfmarker] [gap] Okay. [speaker002:] Yeah. Got those notes. [speaker004:] Yeah. Thank you. [speaker001:] Great. Great. Um One thing that, uh, we're going to do is become more acquainted with the, the tools that we have access to for our project. Um, one of them is our whiteboard. And, um, as a sort of team-building moment, um, I, I'd like us to, um, try out the whiteboard by expressing our favourite animal and the charac characteristics of that animal. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Um, why that, why that should be your favourite animal. So, um, I, I'm assuming that we should do that now. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] 'Kay. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] With our microphones still attached to our bodies. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker003:] Gosh. [speaker001:] Okay. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] 'Kay, what's my favourite animal? [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Do come up. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Oh, [gap] to go first. [vocalsound] Oh, are we all doing it individually? [speaker001:] This is a team-building time [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] where, um, [vocalsound], [speaker002:] Okay, let's stand up and support you [vocalsound] [speaker001:] okay cool, um [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] My favourite animal, which changes all the time, okay, [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] right now it is an elk. [speaker003:] An elk? [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] alright, so [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] A vicious [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] And it goes like [disfmarker] Yeah it's got like big antlers, [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] yeah. Looks kinda like, like it has holly growing out of its head. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Do you have elk where you come from? [speaker001:] Yes. [speaker002:] You do. [speaker001:] Yeah [speaker004:] We have moose too. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] we have moose and we have deer. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Do you have [disfmarker] [speaker003:] We have sheep. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Sheep. Yeah, [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [gap] 'Kay, um. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] cows. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] That's a great elk. [speaker004:] Uh-oh, we have a good artist. [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] That is really good. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Thanks. [speaker003:] I'm quite [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] This is my [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Oh, very shapely. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] Brilliant. [speaker001:] That's a sketching of my my elk, [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] and it, it is my favourite animal right now, 'cause it is a large beautiful majestic creature, [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] that um, that um [disfmarker] In a way it looks kind of awkward, because it's on spindly legs and it uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] But it can really overcome harsh terrain, and although it's gorgeous it's also very dangerous, because it has um strong antlers, and uh it can really combat its enemies, even like it it's a it's an herbivore but, uh, it can really defend itself. [speaker002:] Mm. Very nice. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] Right. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Right, I'm gonna take minutes while, um, you guys express your favourite animals. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Okay, I'll go next. I am a big animal lover. like all sorts of animals, but for the moment I'm gonna draw a cat, in memory of my poor cat that died recently. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Oh. [speaker001:] Oh. [speaker002:] It's gonna be a bit of a strange drawing, but never mind. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Not as artistic as Heather's drawing. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Bit more cartoon style. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] But I like cats because they're so independent, and they always seem to be doing what they want to be doing. Um, but that doesn't mean they're completely not sociable, 'cause they enjoy interacting with humans as well, and they seem to enjoy the good things like sunshine and, um, running around outside as well as being inside, and enjoying their food, and generally just, they just seemed so cool and [vocalsound] they just know what they're doing. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Uh I reckon they're sort of, they got it sorted. They know what they want. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Basically, that's why I like cats. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Very good. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Great. [speaker002:] [gap] I'll rub that out. There you go. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Okay. I think my favourite animal would be a dog, but I'm not really sure [vocalsound] how to draw one. [speaker002:] Ooh. [speaker003:] I, I've never drawn a dog, I don't think. I'm tempted to draw a snail 'cause I draw them sometimes [vocalsound] and they're really easy to draw. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Um, [speaker001:] I forget her name. [speaker003:] right it's gonna be a really funny dog, 'cause I'm not sure how to draw a dog. [speaker004:] Tara [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] or Tara. [speaker002:] Well there are loads of different types of dogs, so I'm sure it'll represent one kind of dog. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] It's a cartoon dog I think. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] A s I don't ev Oh, oh well. [vocalsound] It's a scary cartoon dog. That [disfmarker] This, [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] that does not look like a dog. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] We can pretend. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] It looks kinda like a person. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] I'm sorry. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] That's Pinocchio. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [gap] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] How do you draw a dog? I suppose it has a lon Oh my god. Right. Yous know what it's supposed to be. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] It's a dog. [vocalsound]. Um, I like dogs because, um, they're so good to humans, like they can be trained to be police dogs and seeing-eye dogs, and they're just such friendly animals. And, like they're more of a companion than cats. [vocalsound] I've nothing against cats. [speaker002:] Yeah, that's true. [speaker003:] Cats don't really like me, so I can't like them. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] But they're just so friendly and warm and nice animals, [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] that don't look like that. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Alrighty. I feel like a robot. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Okay. Um, [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] well I guess I had the most time to think about it. I'm going to draw a butterfly, because I saw a butterfly yesterday, that seemed to be like the symbol of Spring arriving. And it was actually the prettiest butterfly I've ever seen out in the wild, and I though that was pretty cool in Scotland. It was like, well it was a little pointier than that. At first I thought it was a dead leaf. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] And then it landed on the wall next to me. But this part was all brown and then it has these big blue dots like this. And then it kinda [disfmarker] there was a green, I think it was a green ring, and there was like red going out like this. [speaker001:] It's kinda like a peacock. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah, it kinda was actually, 'cause it was [disfmarker] This part of the body was really dull, and then it was the most colourful exotic butterfly ever, and I'm like, wow this is the middle of Scotland in like March. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] So I thought that was pretty cool. And it landed by a wall and let me look at it for about two minutes. I wish I'd had my camera. So that's gonna be my favourite animal because after all the snow it seemed to say that like Spring is finally here. Yeah. There you go. [speaker002:] Very nice. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Great. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Uh, what do we [disfmarker] Oh. [speaker001:] Do you hear the eraser buzzing while you do that? [speaker004:] Yes I do. [vocalsound] [gap] [speaker001:] Yea [vocalsound] Right. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] So, now that we know how to use the whiteboard, [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] um, the next, um, thing we need to address is our financial department, to meet our our budget, um [disfmarker] or not meet our budget but more, um, like what kind of, uh, selling range we'll be looking at, um, wanna make this um [gap] selling price of twenty five Euros. And so we have to, um, come up with a way to, to create a, a uh remote control, where um we can [disfmarker] like the price to create it will be significantly less. Um, we'd like to, um to, uh, make fifty million Euro. I'm assuming that's what the M means. Um, and make it for an international market. Um, one thing we'd have to think about internationally is in the design of, um, like different kinds of, uh, VCRs. Things like that, depending on which country you are. Another thing for the design team to think about. Um, we want it to cost, uh, absolute maximum of twelve Euro and fifty cents. [speaker004:] Okay, so we'll have a hundred percent profit then? Twelve fifty. [speaker001:] I'm bad at math. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker001:] 'Kay. [vocalsound] Um, [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] so now that, um, that is underway, um [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] it is discussion time. So this is time for us to bring our initial ideas, any um suggestions that you may have so far, a um your personal experiences with remote controls, and um, um, areas you see that, uh, could be improved in your experience with them. Does anyone have any initial thoughts? [speaker004:] I find that in the dark it's often hard to know what button you're pushing. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [gap] [speaker001:] So what's something we could, uh, do to remedy that? [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker004:] Um [disfmarker] [speaker002:] I always find that in our house the remote control always goes missing. It's always, where is the remote control? [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] So maybe if you could have some kind of tracking [vocalsound] device for the remote control or some signal that you could find out where it was. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] I dunno, some kind of alarm. You can press a button on your wall, [gap] signal, [speaker001:] Yeah. It's a great idea. It's a great idea. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] 'cause it always gets lost. [speaker003:] Do yous not find that, um, [vocalsound] like, there's a lot of, um, buttons on your remote control, and you don't know what half of them do. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Yeah, that you don't use half of them. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah, I don't know what they do. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. There's some remote controls where there's kind of a hidden panel, so all those buttons that you don't really use unless you're programming or something. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah, that's, that's [disfmarker] [speaker004:] That's useful. [speaker002:] Yeah, it is. Yeah. [speaker004:] So you just have like the number buttons, power button, TV video button. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Alright. Anything about, um, the look of the, uh, remote control that you might have ideas about. Maybe it could be, instead of like a standard rectangular shape, it could be, um, something more interesting like [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Any ideas will do that you have at this point. [speaker004:] Could be shaped like a conch, [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] you know. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Can hold it. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] A novelty. [speaker004:] Be like a shell-shaped remote. [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Are we going into kind of novelty factors here. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Like, I've seen phones like a [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Well if it's a trendy original, um, aspect we're going for. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] I mean, you're the designers, you c, you can um decide what kind of, um, direction you wanna go in, [speaker002:] Yeah. Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] but at this point in the, in the first meeting it can be any ideas that we just throw out there. [speaker002:] Yeah. I suppose, if we're he heading to have it, like make a huge profit out of this, it needs to be quite a universally accepted thing. Like, a novelty thing might only sell a few things rather than, like, a general kind of more acceptable [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound]. [speaker002:] But we don't wanna go towards boring, 'cause that wouldn't sell either. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] So, hmm. [speaker001:] Yeah. And the key issue here is, is being trendy and original. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Um, that does not necessarily mean it needs to be outrageous. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Right. Okay we have five minutes left. So, just to cover [disfmarker] We have one more thing. Um, like you can go over your ideas, of course, in your own personal times. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Um, our next meeting will be in half an hour. So you have half an hour to, uh, think about what you want to present. Or not present but bring to the meeting. Um, ID, whatever that stands for. [speaker004:] Interface? [speaker002:] Industrial Designer. [speaker001:] Industrial Designer. [speaker004:] Oh, industrial. [speaker002:] That's me. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] I have to remember these things. Um. You'll be beginning your, your working design. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Um, UID the technical functions design will, will be worked on the next thirty minutes. Um, [vocalsound] maybe how this can be achieved, and, um, we need the user requirements from the manag [speaker004:] Marketing Expert. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Marketing Expert. Um, you will get specific instructions, um, of what to do in the next half an hour. And I'll see you in half an hour, okay? [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] 'Kay. [speaker002:] Thank you. [speaker003:] [gap]

[speaker001:] Hi Kate. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Just just carry on. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Okay, carry on. [vocalsound] Alright um this is the beginning of the third meeting, the conceptual design meeting. Um our agenda should be um that we're opening the meeting, I have [disfmarker] the minutes from the previous meeting are on the shared f drive at this point. Um and we should each have a presentation to make. Um we have certain decisions to make and we have forty minutes total. It's twenty five after two at the moment, so forty minutes is five after three, [vocalsound] um which I'll be keeping an eye on the clock for us. Okay. [vocalsound] Um there are the decisions we have to turn to, but we'll come back to them in a minute after I take us to the minutes of the previous meeting. Right um as we remember, I opened the meeting, the four of us were present, the meeting [disfmarker] the first meeting's minutes were reviewed and approved. Um Sarah, you presented a marketing research report um which pretty much rep represented that fifteen to thirty five year olds uh it has to be hand-held, power, channel, volume, number keys, possibly a speech recognition. And then Steph did a second presentation um that those functions plus streamlining them with big user-friendly keys that were easy to use. I think all of us agreed with those things. Kate presented a working design of [disfmarker] going after [disfmarker] going over the basics on the whiteboard um that it should be a simple mass-produced device, because of the twelve and a half Pence cost. Um but we did talk about possibly using rechargeable batteries and having a docking place as a selling point. Um and the new requirements that it for [disfmarker] be for TV only um and that it include the l so slogan and colour of the uh corporate design be included. Um [vocalsound] the corporate image. So we agreed that the target market would be fifteen to thirty five with more money than sense, that were decision makers. Alternatively it would be a manufacturer to enclose it with the TV, but it still should meet those parameters. Um and that the function we agreed was volume, power, numbers, enter, channels, a way to move between channels, easy to use and hand-held. [vocalsound] Um at that point we agreed that Sarah would look at the current cost of competition, what what do the current ones sell for. Um and Steph was gonna look at ec ergonomics. Kate was gonna look at cost and feasibility of the various possibilities that we discussed. And I was to type up these minutes and work on the final report. Is this a fair presentation of what our last meeting was? [speaker003:] Yeah. Yes. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Okay. Right. So we're ready to close that and go back to our [disfmarker] That one. Right. We're up to the point of the [disfmarker] Go back. Um [vocalsound] the three presentations. So we're going to pull the plug on me and turn to Sarah. Is that okay? Is that alright with everybody else? [speaker003:] Yep. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Especially since Kate asked to be last. [vocalsound] Sarah, I'm sorry if I misspelled your name, I didn't know whether it was SARA or [vocalsound] SARH. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] I respond to either. No worries. [speaker001:] You respond to whatever you get, huh? [vocalsound] Okay. Um, did you do your [disfmarker] Hit [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah, [gap] [speaker001:] Ah, there it is. Ta-da. [speaker004:] Okay, first thing I want to address is um one of the points that Florence brought up, which was uh current cost of the competition devices, similar to the ones that Stephanie uh showed us and and they're uh twenty to sixty Euros, depending on uh branding. [speaker003:] Right. [speaker004:] Some of them that have a higher brand recognition are on the more expensive end. But I think that with the current um price that we're searching for, we're well within, even on the lower end, of the uh of the market. [speaker001:] Mm 'kay. [speaker004:] But I'm going to move on to more interesting um [vocalsound] more vibrant things. [vocalsound] So, I investigated the remote control market in greater detail, and my uh [disfmarker] the theme of what I was to work on was uh trend watch. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] And [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] 'Kay. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Sorry. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] I'm glad to see the marketing budget is being so well spent on [vocalsound] [gap]. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] I know that you all are a distance from cutting edge marketing research, [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] so you know, I'm just gonna try to cloak it in really professional terms here. What's hot, fruit and veg. Spongy. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] And this is all over the catwalks, Paris, Milan, and I'm talking about clothing, furniture, shoes. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] This is really interesting change from past years, [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] because it is much more organic, [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker004:] um some would say approachable. [vocalsound] And I think if we're to refashion our view of what we want in a remote control, we should perhaps think about incorporating technologically interesting fabrics and some of the bold colours into a simple handset. So. [vocalsound] I also did a little research on um [vocalsound] what again are the most important priorities in uh decision making about uh purchasing. Fancy. Functional is out. And f the fancy, and that's exactly the term, I'm I'm thinking polished, elegant, [vocalsound] you know, kind of innovative, but a cut above. This is twice as important as the next finding, which is technologically innovative. This is interesting, 'cause I think in the last meeting we were talking about technology as being so important, but maybe what's innovative is having it simple with um with uh technologically [vocalsound] superior fabrics or uh, you know, designed in interesting substances. Ease of use. Again, pretty low, I mean it's the top three, but each of the uh fancy and technologically innovative are far more important. So I think we should cloak the streamlined remote control device in a series of [vocalsound] fruit [vocalsound] fruit themed sleeves. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] I think that's a good idea. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Y yeah, you know [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Don't you? [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yes. [speaker001:] It sounds like the the uh covers that they use for the remote, you know, your t your cell phone. [speaker004:] Exactly. [vocalsound] Exactly. I was thinking though that instead of having something uh like patterned, you know, so, you know, something similar to a summer dress. [gap] you know, it would have like fruit and veg, is that we actually make these spongy. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker004:] They could be [disfmarker] ini initially I thought we could start with kind of um fruit that would suit kind of uh a long uh hand-held, so banana, pineapple and pear. Um it could actually [disfmarker] the sleeve could [vocalsound] take up a lot of the [vocalsound] development and the remote control, we'd just need to get reductionist on it. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] They could be interchangeable, they're spongy, that goes back to ergonomic, and the youngsters love 'em, fun for the whole family, everyone can have their own. So what we're talking about is changing. this concept. Everyone has a TV remote, but then we add in the fact that they could each have their own individual fruit. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] That's what's hot on the catwalks. [vocalsound] So, this is my [disfmarker] This is what I'm thinking. [speaker001:] Hmm. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Uh-huh mm. In most families, don't [disfmarker] isn't the remote [disfmarker] is a remote. [speaker004:] Y yeah, but I think I think what this would allow is perhaps a person in the family who had the most opinion about it [disfmarker] we all need a remote, but the person who is really perhaps active in personalising, I'm thinking the teenager, the [disfmarker] someone fifteen to thirty five would go out and get this additional thing the same way as you mentioned that people would get the cell phone covers. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] So when your dad's sitting there, overriding your decision, going no we're gonna watch this, you can bring out your own remote and be like zap, no we're gonna watch this. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah. W and [vocalsound] plus I think [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Mm. Well [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Uh yeah. [speaker001:] actually some households do have three and four TVs [speaker003:] [gap] [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] and they would have a remote for each one, so. [speaker004:] Yeah. So this is an idea and I I [disfmarker] you know, this is exactly what the research has uh has shown. So I really open this up to uh any other feedback. This [vocalsound] spongy fruit and veg. [speaker002:] Yeah, [speaker004:] Thanks. [speaker002:] I I think we're gonna have some trouble when we get down to the component design on this. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Alright. [speaker003:] Yep. [speaker002:] Spongy is gonna be difficult, I'm afraid. [speaker001:] Hmm. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] And as for as for um well budgeting as well, if we're gonna have lots of different interchangeable components. [speaker001:] Hmm. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] I I just have my ear to the market, guys. [gap] [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Is this [gap] to the market [gap]? [speaker002:] Yeah, I mean basically we can make these things out of wood, titanium, plastic or rubber. I suppose rubber is the closest to spongy, [speaker004:] Is spongiest, yeah. [speaker002:] yeah. [speaker004:] That would add [disfmarker] [speaker002:] I was thinking titanium myself. [speaker003:] I was thinking titanium, I was thinking it's just [disfmarker] I have been influenced by pictures of iPods, [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] and they're also minimalist and shiny. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] They are and they they would fulfil the uh first um priority, which is fancy. I think many of us would associate those with fancy. Something else we could do is uh call it something that's fruit and veg oriented. We could call it uh [disfmarker] [vocalsound] The name. [speaker001:] Are we talking about the device itself or the c or a cover for the device that would be an interchangeable cov cover as a separate product? [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Well it would be uh a a very simple product that would have a spongy sleeve that would be interchangeable. So [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Perhaps perhaps that desi that particular suggestion needs to go back to management [speaker003:] Yeah, but it's kind of pointless, isn't it? [speaker001:] and perhaps go to another group to actually design as a separate product. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] That, you know, that might be [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Let's delegate. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Wo would that be agreeable? [speaker004:] And then we could keep it titanium. [speaker002:] Yeah. [vocalsound] W w would it be helpful if um I described the components a bit, because I think it would give you um [disfmarker] maybe bring this discussion back to Earth of what we can actually physically do. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yeah, maybe. Or [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Do you wanna be next or you want Kate to go next? [speaker003:] I think possibly it might be more useful if Kate went next. [speaker001:] Okay, we'll move the [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Um [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] You can even have them in different flavours as well. [vocalsound] So that if you just wanna sit there and chew on the remote, it could be like pear flavour, [speaker004:] Yeah. Or s or smelly. Scratchy [speaker003:] yeah. Scratch and sniff. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Uh well I was really thinking a lot about the I uh the iMac kind of gel gem tone. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Right, well [speaker004:] It's hot on the streets, guys. [speaker002:] I I I think some of this um [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] you're gonna be a little disappointed with some of the things I have to tell you, but I'm afraid this is the real world. [vocalsound] So um I've been looking at the the basics of how these devices actually have to work in order to operate, and I've had some discussions with the ma manufacturing division, who have told me what's actually available, you know, what the current state of the art in components is, and some of the exciting new things they've got, but I'm not sure that it's quite what you want um. Now this isn't a very good overhead, but this is just to show you, this is the innards of a remote control um. I really need a pen or something but uh [disfmarker] does my mouse work? No. Um [disfmarker] oh yeah, can you see my little mouse pointer? [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker002:] Right. This is this is the a a [vocalsound] a remote that's been opened up [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker002:] and that's the the back of the interface. And this is a push-button one, so you see these little little buttons here, they're little rubber rubber buttons that go through onto the the board at the back and they push these buttons here. Um [vocalsound] and we [disfmarker] that's the basic construction that we've got to got to accommodate. We got to have something that pushes the little buttons that um talk to the chip that encodes the message that sends the the message to the receiver. So um I wan I wanna go through not not just addressing the um [vocalsound] uh the the points that you made, Sarah, but um [vocalsound] doing my presentation in the order I wrote it. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] So first of all um I wanna talk about what possibilities we've got for the energy source. Um we can have your bog standard double double A batteries in a replaceable um little compartment. We can have a hand [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] A wind-up. [speaker002:] sorry [disfmarker] a wind-up, yeah, [vocalsound] which I think is quite an interesting concept for a [disfmarker] [vocalsound] sorry [disfmarker] for a remote control, [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] but i it maybe is [disfmarker] doesn't quite go with the um the fruit and veg. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] Um one that one that I think is quite interesting is the kinetic energy source, [speaker001:] Alright. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Remember, we only have forty minutes [speaker002:] where um [vocalsound] you you actually get the energy by moving the device, [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker002:] which is quite a ni a nice and neat one. [speaker001:] Hmm. [speaker002:] You have to [disfmarker] it means that if it's sitting there for a long time it probably won't work, but you have to sort of throw it between your hands every now and then, [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] it'll work. [speaker004:] Hmm. [speaker002:] Or we we had talked about solar power, but I thing that we agreed that that's not so good in the dark. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker002:] Now I'm afraid this is the options we've got on on the case. It can be made of plastic, rubber, wood o if you like, [vocalsound] or titanium. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Hmm. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Um and the nearest we've got to st to spongy there I guess is rubber, but um [vocalsound] I'm gonna come back to the advantages of titanium, [speaker004:] Hmm. [speaker002:] and basically it can have a flat surface, a curved surface or a double curved surface, but I think if we wanna use standard components, we're gonna have difficulty with anything much beyond that. [speaker004:] Hmm. [speaker002:] Okay, what does the interface look like? Um well push button, that's that's the one we're all familiar with. [vocalsound] Um we can have scroll buttons and the the scroll button can incorporate a push, [speaker001:] Hmm. [speaker002:] so you can have it like on a mouse where you can use it to go up and down, change volume or channel or something like that and push to select something. [vocalsound] Um you can have multiple scroll buttons, um this is maybe getting a little bit complicated, but um it's it [disfmarker] the technology is there. And we can also incorporate an LCD display in the remote, but this will increase the cost. [vocalsound] [vocalsound] Um the electronics that actually makes the device work, we've basically got three, simple, regular, advanced, and the price goes up as we choose each of this. If we want the nice cheap one, the simple, then we can only have push buttons. All the other fancy interface designs go out the window, I'm afraid. Um pay a little bit more for a regular chip and you can have scroll buttons. If you want the advanced chip it obviously costs more, but it [disfmarker] that's what you need if you want the LCD display. And the manufacturing devision tell me that they have recently developed um sample sensor sample speaker devices. Now I don't know what that is, but I think they think it's quite important and we might want to incorporate it somewhere. Um ou our real expertise is in push buttons, I have to say, but maybe you think that's old technology. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker002:] And [disfmarker] well I I think we've got two options. We can either go for a really cheap model, keep all of the costs down, um which [vocalsound] means a flat plastic case with an ordinary battery and simple push buttons. Or we can have something that looks a bit nicer, I think it, um won't necessarily l uh look like a pineapple, but um that [vocalsound] may or may not be a good thing. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Sorry. [vocalsound] Um [vocalsound] but it could have an LCD screen and it could have multiple scroll buttons, and it could have the the company's new development of the um sample sensor and speaker. [vocalsound] So, thank you. [speaker004:] That sounds good. Any idea [disfmarker] [vocalsound] you you mentioned that there would be a cost difference. Um do you have any idea if if this could [disfmarker] if the fancy model could be done in twelve Euros fifty? [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah, I'm afraid I don't have that information available. Um manufacturing didn't actually give [disfmarker] attach any prices to any of this, I'm afraid. [speaker001:] Hmm. [speaker004:] Hmm. Because, you know what, I'm being quite serious when I say that that um the things I mentioned are hot. But I think the important thing might be to choose one. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah mm-hmm. [speaker004:] You know, if if what you're telling me is is um some of these things aren't just f aren't feasible, maybe we could something about naming, we could call it, you know, Blackberry. That's uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Bear bear in mind it has to be the colours and styles of the company, so what I had been thinking was something chunky and yellow and plastic with black buttons with a logo on it. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Banana? [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Alright, well let's see then. [speaker003:] But um I I don't know how important that is to keep it exactly the colours of the Real Reaction company. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] It's just what I'd understood we'd be doing. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] That's before I heard about all this hot tips about the future, fruit-wise. [speaker004:] But [disfmarker] yeah, I'm trying to streamline mine a little bit. [speaker002:] We we could we could do um a double curved rubber one, which would allow um say a banana, but um unfortunately I see from my notes that if we do that, we have to have a push button as the interface, [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] we can't do anything fancier. [speaker004:] Hmm. [speaker003:] Shall we wait 'til I've 'til I've showed you what [disfmarker] well, [vocalsound] my extensive presentation [vocalsound] on what sort of interfaces are available. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah. Mm. [speaker002:] Yep. [speaker004:] Thank you, Kate. [speaker001:] Thank you, Kate. [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker003:] You did seem to include just in more detail what I've got though. So [vocalsound] so mine's a bit pointless. Right. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] FN and F eight, did you say? [speaker001:] Yes. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] There we go. [speaker003:] I don't have it on mine though. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Oh I think um Florence resolved it by [speaker002:] I If you do F uh FN F eight again, it's [disfmarker] it'll [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Do it again. [speaker004:] F eight again. [speaker001:] Keep doing it until you get it in both [disfmarker] you get it there, [speaker002:] I think it [disfmarker] yeah, you you will do an [disfmarker] [speaker001:] you get it yours without that one, and then you get it with both. [speaker003:] Should I do it again? [speaker004:] Maybe. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] This time it should come up both. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Right then. I don't actually have a huge amount of different information then what Kate says, [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] just that my method was to look at the, well, my my inspirations, which was a big collection of lots of different models of remote controls and other things that use a similar sort of thing, including MP three players, uh like you know, hi-fi remotes, not just television and these things. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. Mm. [speaker003:] Uh having a think about the feature of ea the features of each ones, um what functions we actually need, and then how to group and arrange these on the actual the actual plastic or rubber hand-held piece. [vocalsound] Uh I've been especially interested in the iPod style scroll wheel, which [disfmarker] Well, I couldn't find a [disfmarker] the picture of the iPod w only linked to a web browser, so I couldn't copy and paste it, but it had a similar thing to this thing on the right. It has uh scroll wheels without without a display, but they they scroll like a computer mouse. [speaker001:] Hmm. [speaker003:] So I was thinking that uh [vocalsound] um a really simple a really simple interface with just a couple of scroll things on it um [speaker002:] Hmm. [speaker003:] and then instead of a display the display could appear on the television screen. Like I guess an existing Sky or cable one does. Like, you know, you press enter and it comes up with what's showing on that channel at the moment, and you can do [disfmarker] you can scroll along and it'll show you what's on in the next half hour, and you scroll up [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] and you can see what's on the other channels while you're watching the same channel on the screen. Uh but I'm also equally taken with this chunky plastic kiddie remote, [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker003:] um which is really nice and fun and good to hold and nice, big, easy buttons to press, but still quite simple and quite cost effective. So [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] what seems kind of ideal for me would be to just have a fairly simple, uh not fancy but not totally minimalist, I mean just pretty simple plastic, probably, I was thinking, yellow and black, just because that's the company's colours, with very very few buttons, but that would correspond to a screen that would appear on the television screen, like, you know, [vocalsound] just small along the bottom instead of instead of having the iPod style display screen on the actual remotes, which is far too expensive. [speaker002:] Hmm. [speaker003:] And when you've got a screen sitting there in front of you, you might as well have it appearing uh on the screen in front of you, [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker003:] it doesn't obscure much of the actual picture you're watching. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] And so on that you can, just much in the same way as an existing Sky remote, scroll along, scroll up and down. [speaker002:] Yeah, I'd I'd certainly support that idea. [speaker003:] And uh and I definitely support uh the use of plastic and or rubber. I mean titanium would be great, but I think it might be a bit too expensive and too kinda spacey. If we're k trying to keep it colourful and slightly organic, then I think titanium's too futuristic. [speaker002:] It's difficult to make fancy shapes in it as well, we can't for example have a double curved case in titanium unfortunately. [speaker003:] Yeah. Whereas a plastic's so cheap and easy and mouldable and everything else. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Hmm. [speaker003:] Uh [vocalsound] then [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] And the the having the the the screen on the television screen I think is a good idea, 'cause um [vocalsound] otherwise we're we're putting up the price not only for putting [disfmarker] building the LCD in, but for the electronics as well. [speaker003:] And it's a little bit pointless as well I think. [speaker004:] It's a duplication. [speaker003:] Like [speaker002:] There is that. [speaker003:] when when when you've got when you've got the screen there, it doesn't have to be anything fancy, just a little menu showing [disfmarker] yeah, a menu, you go into one menu and then it can have your different options, whether you wanna change the settings or the you know, your information about programme that's on at the moment. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] I don't think that's to taxing to uh s engineer. [vocalsound] Um. But as for actually arranging them [disfmarker] let me go back to the to the picture of the kiddie one. And I quite like it, 'cause it's just smooth and hand-held and it's got these easily reachable buttons that quite nicely uh spaced out, so something a bit like that with buttons arranged in a kind of circle. Up, down, left, right. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Do you want scroll buttons in that as well? [speaker003:] I I was thinking not actually scroll, like a like mouse scroll, but you know, a [disfmarker] [vocalsound] I can't quite d uh describe it. [gap] you see on the one on the right, down at the bottom, is the mouse. Yeah, see where the mouse is, like this s style thing where you c have up, down, left and right. And enter in the middle, [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [vocalsound] Right. [speaker003:] so you pick your menu and then [disfmarker] your different options and when when you click on each one, it [disfmarker] you can go into a new menu for that. I'm getting a bit uh specific here. [speaker004:] [gap] [speaker003:] Really we'd have to use something to show you, [speaker002:] Yeah. I think I think that's a g nice clean design, [speaker003:] but [disfmarker] [speaker002:] it's playing to our strengths which are in push button technology. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] To uh m make it. [speaker003:] If [disfmarker] I don't think I can get it up on the screen. Ah here we go. Right. [speaker004:] Oh nice. Um [disfmarker] Hmm. [speaker003:] Well, the iPod spinning wheel is uh really complicated. [speaker001:] Huh. [speaker003:] It does scroll, [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] but it is hugely complicated. [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker003:] What else have we got? [speaker004:] Wow. [speaker003:] Them, they're terrible. But they all have this this feature of this uh [disfmarker] It's not quite a scroll wheel, but it's a kind of selection in this circle, [speaker001:] It's a selection wheel. [speaker003:] which I think is a really good idea. [speaker002:] But we can implement it with simple push buttons, [speaker003:] Yeah, [speaker002:] which is much cheaper. [speaker003:] like up, down, left and right. Which is good. And then and then [disfmarker] Yeah, so I mean either a channel up and down, volume up and down, next appearing programmes up and down, [vocalsound] uh and then also [vocalsound] when you get into the different menus on the screen, it's got your things like settings and contrast up and down. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] So all you really need is these four buttons with the enter in the middle. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] And that's it. [vocalsound] Look at look at this one. [speaker002:] In fact [disfmarker] Oh that's really nice. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Almost impossible to misplace or l or lose. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Do you think with um [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Might take up your whole living room. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] It seems that that uh you guys are quite keen on the plastic, perhaps the [disfmarker] something reminiscent of the child's remote. Do you think we could put it in a in a fruit colour? And have it abstract. You know, we could call [vocalsound] like a fruit name, [speaker003:] Possibly. Yeah. [speaker002:] Hmm. [speaker004:] but it would be a little more abstract. [speaker002:] Mm. We we could actually do it in rubber instead of plastic if you'd rather [disfmarker] if you feel [disfmarker] if you like the spongy [disfmarker] [speaker003:] That also is possible. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. I'm just just throwing out ideas. [speaker003:] Just [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Or call it a or call it a banana and have it in yellow. [speaker002:] Hmm. [speaker004:] Yeah. I'm thinking maybe we need to be a little bit more abstract if the design constraints are so [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker003:] Uh just something else I need to bring to your attention is have you have you seen these on a remote? This is actually the volume up and down, but [vocalsound] they both say V on them, [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] which, when you first look at it, [vocalsound] you expect that to be the down, because it looks like a downward pointing arrow, [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] but it's actually the V to indicate that it's the volume, [speaker001:] Hmm. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] so uh we do need to avoid little ambiguities like these. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Hmm. [speaker004:] Nice. Good point. [speaker003:] But we wouldn't have a specific volume up and down. If we're having the scroll wheel, then it's gonna double up as all the other up and down functions. [speaker001:] Mm 'kay. [speaker003:] But then, that's complicated. [speaker001:] I wanna thank you all for all your presentations. We have about ten minutes left, in which time we have to make some decisions on the remote control concepts. Um and I think you all have been self-stimulating of working together. Um we need to come up with some specifics of the components, um the materials, things like making the decision on the energy um and the case and the interface type things. So [vocalsound] let's [disfmarker] Mm. Right. They want us to decide what form of energy are we going to use, which [disfmarker] the choices that we've discussed were pretty much battery, kinetic or solar. Um this is where Kate's expertise comes in, and our decision making will be a little bit guided by Kate at this point. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] The [disfmarker] You were saying that the kinetic would be useful, that is you just have to move it some and you'd be able to use it um as opposed to a battery that you have to either put it in a recharger or um keep replacing the batteries. Um or solar that you'd have difficulty with it if it's a dark day, that it'll die on you, and no way to do it. That's the day you wanna use the TV. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] Um so what's our pleasure here, what would be the cost consequences of each of the three? [speaker002:] Oh unfortunately I don't have costing information. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] I i in terms of workability, I I think the the two front-runners are the standard battery or the kinetic, but I'm sorry [speaker001:] Mm 'kay. [speaker002:] I don't figures on the difference in cost. [speaker001:] What's the uh feelings of the group on the kinetic? [speaker004:] I've used kinetic in terms of watches and it's very very uh handy, you don't even notice um that it's there. [speaker003:] It sounds great. I've never come across it before, but it sounds fantastic. Sounds like it could be g a really good economical [disfmarker] [speaker004:] It's [disfmarker] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] it would make the whole thing a lot lighter, more convenient. [speaker001:] Hmm. [speaker004:] It could tie in with the fanciful design as [speaker001:] Hmm. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] uh, you know, [vocalsound] [speaker003:] 'Cause it's really a quite attractive thought, [speaker004:] throw the banana, you know, just gotta keep it moving. [speaker003:] isn't it? It's like [disfmarker] yeah, a good selling point. [speaker001:] So the consensus seems to be use the kinetic if it's at all possible. [speaker004:] Be [speaker003:] But it does depend how much I mean how much it costs and how much more development and research it needs. [speaker001:] It costs. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker002:] And and how much you do have to keep it moving, [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] 'cause I'm conscious that watching TV can be quite a sed sedentary activity. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. But I could market that as a um as a [vocalsound] a [disfmarker] I was thinking actually a a cost saver down the road, in terms of battery, you know. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Do your exercises while you're watching the TV. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Hmm. [speaker002:] True, yeah, m more more environmentally friendly. [speaker003:] Yeah, that's what I was thinking as well. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. You know, [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] kind of the [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Thanks for the reminder for five minutes to finish, thanks. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Oh right, okay, [speaker001:] Um [vocalsound] the next thing that they wanted us to do was look at chip on print as a decision. [speaker002:] I'd [disfmarker] that that's something I maybe should have covered. Um chip on print is just a manufacturing technique [speaker001:] Oh. [speaker002:] um and I would certainly recommend it, I think, because I'm not sure I have an alternative. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] I i it it's just the way that the the the uh th the way it's ac it's actually built [speaker001:] What about the ca yeah. Oh, the way we [gap] uh-huh. [speaker002:] and you you print onto the circuit board like you might print onto paper. [speaker001:] Oh, okay. Um what about the case? I think they're talking there about do we want wood, plastic, titanium or rubber, [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] and I think we've discussed not having titanium. One, it's too expensive, um and second, it won't do this double um curves. Um we've sort of eliminated wood. We said plastic or rubber. What's the pleasure? [speaker002:] Well if if Sarah's keen on a spongy feel, the the rubber that we're talking about is the same as you have in those little stress balls, [speaker004:] That's exactly what I was thinking. I'm sold. [speaker002:] so it's [disfmarker] yeah. [speaker001:] What about you? [speaker003:] Do you not think it might need like a kind of a hard plastic inner shell with the actual delicate workings inside, and then a kind of spongy Yeah, s thick spongy cover, [speaker004:] Mm. Kind of like an internal egg. [speaker001:] Cover. [speaker003:] so it feels like the whole thing's spongy, but actually you're not damaging anything by squeezing it. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Plastic inside. [speaker004:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Because I mean you could just get carried away with the with the tac [speaker002:] Yeah. I'd I'd need to talk to manufacturing again about whether that's actually possible, but I agree, it's uh [disfmarker] sounds like a nice idea if it is. [speaker003:] Yeah. Well you do get a bit carried away with things that are tactile, you just wanna stroke them and squeeze them, [speaker001:] Hmm. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] And with sports on television. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] and [disfmarker] [speaker004:] You know. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Um the next part they want is the user interface concept. [speaker004:] I su [speaker002:] I should I should r [gap] [speaker001:] I'm sorry to push you, but we only have a couple minutes to [vocalsound] finish with. [speaker004:] Then I'll just say I support either [disfmarker] from a marketing point of view I support either decision that the designers make on that. [speaker001:] Okay, and it says interface. What type and what supplements? [speaker003:] Just copy the one on the left. [vocalsound] No um a scroll [disfmarker] Well, like four buttons, up, down, left and right with enter in the middle, that will correspond to a menu on the screen. [speaker002:] Which I think technically is just push button and uh I'd certainly support that that [speaker003:] Yeah, I'd [disfmarker] like push buttons with [disfmarker] [speaker002:] that brings the cost down quite a lot and it's something that we're an ex the company's an expert on. [speaker003:] So push buttons [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Okay, um [vocalsound] that's that. Um this is gonna sound weird, but the next meeting starts in thirty minutes. Whew. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] And they actually want a look and feel design, user interface design, you can look and see this as well as I can. Marketing they want product evaluation. [speaker003:] No, it's still it's still plugged in on mine actually. [speaker004:] No we can't, actually. [speaker001:] Oh. Oh my, I'm sorry. [speaker004:] That's why I was looking over your shoulder [speaker001:] Oh, okay. Sorry about that. missed that one. This ought to be fun trying to get this thing to work. Ah, ta-da. [speaker003:] Now it's gone again. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Ah. [speaker002:] You know, I think the the company's s next project should to design a better overhead device that switches immediately. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yes, because I can't even see mine. Next meeting starts in thirty minutes, [speaker003:] Oh yes. [speaker001:] these are [vocalsound] the individual actions. Yeah, right. Um the look and feel design is for Kate, [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker001:] uh Steph gets the user interface design, you get product [vocalsound] evaluation. Um the two of you [vocalsound] get to play with a Pla modelling clay um to do a prototype. [speaker003:] Great. [speaker001:] Uh and everybody gets individual instructions in the usual way. [speaker004:] Sounds good. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Anything else we need to do? [speaker003:] [vocalsound] I don't think so. [speaker001:] Go to it. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Play-Doh. [speaker001:] And that's the end of this meeting. That's for her benefit. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] That's really all I got, guys. [speaker002:] [vocalsound]

[speaker001:] 'S to do now is to decide how to fulfil what your stuff is, [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] so in that sense [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker004:] Yeah, sure. [speaker001:] so it does kind of make sense, yeah. [speaker002:] Okay, well [disfmarker] [speaker004:] It kinda does make sense, doesn't it, because when we get into the end of meeting we're kind of [vocalsound] talking about action and design as opposed to background. [speaker001:] Yep. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker004:] Everything I have is kinda background. [speaker002:] Okay we all ready to go? [speaker001:] Yep. [speaker002:] Well how um on the [disfmarker] in this meeting then if we um [disfmarker] I'll just just recap on the minutes from the last meeting. And we uh decided on [speaker001:] Yep. [speaker002:] decided on our our target group being fifteen to thirty five, [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] and we decided that it was gonna be non-rechargeable battery-powered, that we're gonna group our audio-visual and other functions into into those categories, um [vocalsound]. And I told you guys about the three new requirements about ignoring teletext, ignoring everything except the TV, and trying to incorporate the the uh corporate colour and slogan. Um so that was the last meeting. Is there anything [disfmarker] have I forgotten anything? [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. No. [speaker004:] Uh that sounds [gap]. [speaker002:] Is that everything? Okay. Um so if we have the three presentations, and then if you have anything to kind of [disfmarker] that you know you're gonna want to discuss, maybe just make a note of it, and we'll have all the discussion at the end. That might be a better idea this time. [speaker004:] Sure. [speaker002:] And so if we start off uh with Andrew and then Craig and then David, [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker002:] if that's alright. [speaker004:] Sure. [speaker002:] Um and then after that we'll have to make some decisions about stuff, right [vocalsound]. [speaker001:] Yep. [speaker004:] Yeah, cool. [speaker002:] So if you wanna take this. [speaker004:] Why don't I get that [vocalsound]? Hmm. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Screwed in quite tightly. Uh what did [disfmarker] uh how did we leave it with speech recognition now? We [disfmarker] did we say we were gonna try [disfmarker] maybe incorporate it but we hadn't made a definite decision on that? [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Right. Oh I should also point out that um the you know the kind of final objective of this meeting is to reach a decision on the concepts of the product. [speaker004:] Okay. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] So um [vocalsound] that's kind of the end result hopefully. [speaker004:] Okay. Um alright so c is it function F eight? [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Uh-huh. Hopefully appear in a wee second. [speaker004:] Hmm. Come on. I think it's working. [speaker002:] Up there we go. [speaker004:] Okay great s so let me just start this. [vocalsound] Okay great. So um [vocalsound] uh s move on. Uh-huh [disfmarker] oh where'd it all go? [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Oh no. [speaker004:] It's not good. Okay lemme just see where I can find it. This looks more like it. I think I just opened up the template. Sorry about that. [speaker002:] Oh right. [speaker004:] Okay alright so let's have a look here. Okay so this was the method that um I've taken. [speaker002:] Here we go. [speaker004:] Uh basically what I wanna do here, before we get into it uh too far, is I want to show you all the background information I have that I think we need to acknowledge if we want this to be successful. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker004:] And uh and then sorta g go through some of the way that I've dealt with that information, and then sort of bring us all together into it to see [disfmarker] sorta see how this fits in with the overall vision. Um so I've tried to take a whole lot of market research and summarise it for us, and then ide identify uh trends that are are sort of in sync and are important to our our uh p project plan that we have so far, and then uh initiate a kind of discussion on design options so that it sorta helps us to to narrow in on on aspects that will inform other uh other elements of the of the project. Does that make sense, tha that sort of strategy? [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Yep. [speaker004:] I thought that that will impact on the rest of what we do, so that's why I suggested we get in this. [speaker002:] Aye a fair point definitely. [speaker004:] Okay so out of um different uh figures and ratings ob uh of people in general, um consumers in general, the number one thing that was found was that uh the br t television remote control, a fancy look and feel, okay, and not, it specified, not a functional look or or feel, uh b f f fancy. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker004:] Um however, this is where we kinda have to be very, I think, creative about it. Number two was that it be innovative. Okay so that tells me that we have to find a way to be innovative without a adding just unnecessary um sort of functional bits to it. Uh and third priority uh for ease of use, so again that kind of gives us a general picture of how it has to be, um [vocalsound] quite user friendly while still having technology. So it [disfmarker] I'll just say right away as a bit of a foreshadowing into how we proceed with this in terms of m marketing, is that I think um [vocalsound] what we should think about is how the um [vocalsound] about how the innovation uh contributes to the look and feel, and not so much to the functionality of it. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] For example like when you pick it up and push it like it all lights up or something, you know what I mean, [speaker002:] Aye right. [speaker004:] like, or it's got something else to it that just seems innovative [speaker002:] Uh-huh. [speaker004:] because obviously the thing that [disfmarker] the message here is ease of use. So how do you make innovation make something more [vocalsound] more easy to use? Well that's I guess where we're gonna go with this. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker004:] Okay then there's the other aspect of the back the the market um research I have here is on fashion style, okay, which as we've agreed is a priority. Uh top European fashion trend um [vocalsound] that I read about says there's this emerging theme of fruit and vegetables, okay, [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] especially in clothes and furniture. And when I first saw that I thought hmm, well do we want to actually try and think about this trend and how we add something to it, or we get right into it, or we completely steer away from it, do you know what I mean? [speaker002:] Okay okay. [speaker004:] So my my feeling is that we w do want to observe this trend, but we want to think also about the fact that it sort of has to fit in with something which is not specifically electronics. Um 'cause I think what we're in what we're in is partly sort of home decor, partly something like a computer, um [vocalsound] so I think we might wanna be careful about how you know how quickly we create like a remote control in the shape of an apple or something, I think that would be pushing it. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] And then in terms of m material trends are for things to be soft and spongy and sort of, you might say ergonomic or or friendly to handle, which is [disfmarker] which also in indicated that last year this was this was not the case. So um probably a lot of the competition on the market will be still in last year's mode, so if we try and really capitalise on that, I think that'll be in our favour. Um [disfmarker] So these this is the summary of everything. Um style is number one uh thing in the in the market of who we're selling to. Uh innovative design technology's also a must in that it's seen [disfmarker] it'd be seen to be uh cutting edge, uh but ease of use t has to be insured throughout. That was like the number three thing. And then at the end there are vibrant natural colours um that's the way I interpreted it anyway, softness in materials, shape, and function, and so I've written at written at the bottom to give us sort of a context of discussion, Mac iPods, [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] something which is, I'd have to say very high-tech, ten gigabytes, whatever, but when you hold it in your hand there's like no buttons. You know what a Mac iPod is? [speaker002:] Mm that's true, yeah. [speaker004:] I'm thinking however Mac iPod is sort of last year's because it's very hard and sort of glassy and glossy, so I'm thinking if we imagine that we're taking some of the features of a Mac iPod and we're then making it s more of like a more of like a comfortable type of [disfmarker] or more of like a [disfmarker] [vocalsound] maybe more vibrant to friendly thing to have. Um and then so this is w with all that information what I'm what I'm suggesting in this slide here is that we we take these ideas, and as we get into more the more um [vocalsound] techni like sort of production side of things, that we think about shape, materials, and themes or series that go throughout. Sort of like a [disfmarker] I dunno like um we think of some kind of a thin theme that unifies it all, that we agree on, uh sorta like a marketing identity. Um [disfmarker] Does that make sense? Yeah. So [vocalsound] so like I threw out a few ideas there just to kinda get us thinking along those lines like lemon, lime, I dunno, green colours, pe whatever, it's just an idea, 'cause I'm thinking that some of these ideas will seem quite coherent if we use them in terms of their [disfmarker] what people associate this [disfmarker] them with in terms of texture, shape, colours, things like that. [speaker002:] Mm 'kay. Great. [speaker004:] Like um the ones the ones which I'm most fond of in terms of giving like a theme to it would be like um like lemon or something like that, you know something which is, like you see a lot in in other areas. Like I see lots of websites and things that seem to associate with like lemon and lime and [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker004:] So anyway it's just just an idea. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] I'm thinking maybe we could incorporate some of these features into a fairly um [disfmarker] [vocalsound] into something which is [disfmarker] which seems to have something to it which is almost gimmicky because like um like something to do with like lighting within it. Like you know just within the simple sense, when you pick up a phone and touch a button it uh lights up, q usually the buttons light up. [speaker002:] Ah. [speaker004:] How can we build on that? Maybe like it could light up in different colours or something or or people could buy the buy the control and then it comes with different like covers or something so. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker004:] Anyway those are [disfmarker] that's all I have, but uh hopefully we can we can revisit those ideas when we get into [disfmarker] [speaker002:] That's great. Uh-huh. Okay great. [speaker004:] [gap] [speaker002:] Um thank you for that. Uh Craig do you wanna [speaker004:] Yep. [speaker002:] uh plug yours in then? [speaker003:] Is it working? [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Mm. Not quite. [speaker004:] Did you press F eight? [speaker001:] It's probably not sending. Yeah. [speaker002:] Oh something coming now, yeah. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yep, there it is. [speaker002:] There we go. [speaker003:] And so think of this concept. Um to research it I've um had a look on the the homepage again. It's provided me with more examples of um previously existing c remote controls. Um there's a wee bit of discussion about the other existing ones there, um so I've taken the um suggestions from them and tried to incorporate them into this um [disfmarker] So then this [disfmarker] we're looking for um suggestions on size th um size of control and the buttons, um the shape of the control, and whereabout the buttons should be located on the control. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker003:] Um what I found from the research is that most the current controls are just basically big bricks with loads of buttons all over them. Um they're not very attractive to look at, [vocalsound] and they're not very comfortable to hold, they're [disfmarker] I just hold 'em like big bricks, and they're very easily lost. Um they tend to be very dark colours, so if there are shadowy places down the side of couches you can't really see them. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] Um [vocalsound] the the controls themselves tend to use a very inconsistent colour scheme. Um for instance, the stand-by button isn't always red, uh it really should be. It's uh something the user then uh identify with. This is a red switch off, that's how it should be. Um I'm not sure if there's any other examples of that, but something to look out for. Um there's a problem that I've I've got couple of preferences for the the end control [vocalsound] um I get 'em with the the red colour button for stand-by and s the other examples of that [vocalsound] um [disfmarker] [vocalsound] The buttons should be large. They shouldn't be tiny little things like you get on some mobile phones. They should be easy to press, very comfortable. [vocalsound] Um one of the examples given on the homepage was um [vocalsound] there's an up and down volume button but both of them have a V on them, [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] so the up volume button looks like it should be a down volume button, that's kinda confusing. Um should avoid s things like that. Um [vocalsound] if the the corporate colour scheme allows it we should have a very bright colour so that it can be easily identified anywhere. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker003:] Um obviously trying trying to avoid being tacky there, but it could um tie-in very easily with your your lime and lemon idea. [speaker004:] Yeah. Okay, do we have a corporate colour scheme? [speaker002:] [vocalsound] I think it's yellow [speaker004:] I didn't know. [speaker002:] because like the website is yellow and there's a band at the bottom is yellow, [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker002:] so yellow, lemon, you know definitely food for thought there, [speaker001:] And the Play-Doh 's yellow [vocalsound]. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker003:] Fantastic. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker002:] but keep going and we'll discuss it after. [speaker003:] Um [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] any extra features we add beyond the basic ones should be m hidden, they shouldn't be on the [vocalsound] [disfmarker] um shouldn't be visible without something be opened or some sort of special extra effort. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Um if we did decide to go for voice activation [vocalsound] there sh should always be a button as alternative, possibly hidden in the the opened up section um making that something is wrong with it or with somebody's voice, maybe they got a cold or [disfmarker] Um [vocalsound] we should definitely avoid the big square block look. That's just wrong. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Mm 'kay. [speaker003:] And um we got an email uh from I think it's the the research department, [vocalsound] and they've said th the voice control um can now talk back if you ask it a question. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker003:] So it sh it could be good to have them um confirm any action you take [speaker002:] Aye that's a good idea, yeah. [speaker003:] and [gap] possibility. Right and these are problems I've had with it. Um I don't know where the slogan should go, or really what the slogan is. I think it's um, fashion into electronics. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] And we don't know how flexible the colour scheme is. I mean you say you wanted the the corporate colours, but they don't say you know if we can use any other colours at all or [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Mm. Mm. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker003:] That's it. [speaker001:] Cool. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker004:] Great. [vocalsound] Lots of good information there. [speaker002:] Yeah that that was very good, [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] and uh now with David. [speaker001:] Mm 'kay um. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] I think I'm cool. [speaker004:] It's a shame the cable wasn't just in the middle [gap] [vocalsound] of the table, [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] I know it'd be handy, wouldn't it. [speaker004:] huh? Just um [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Oops. [speaker002:] Do y do you wanna sit in the the line of sight of this um [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah okay. Let me just get this going first. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Ah there it is. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] It takes a second, doesn't it? [speaker001:] 'Kay, that should be it. Okay um I guess the same thing again, I started with something very basic. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] So just so you guys have some idea of what's involved in my process, [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] um and then you can just work through it and we 'll either modify it or start from scratch um depending on what your needs are. Um the components are exactly the same. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Um I think, like what you guys said, um the most input that's needed is basically in the user interface. The rest of the components um they do have an impact in terms of cost and complexity. Um like you said time to market was a problem, um and how many components are physically in there in cost. And the power is basically a factor of that. Um and the lower components, the power, the logic, the transmitter, and the infrared, um they affect you in terms of the size of your device, um and that would have some inte impact on how y I think more how you hold rather than um the actual use using the the remote control because um like we've said [disfmarker] we've defined, like we only want the basic things that [disfmarker] to be visible, and the rest of them we try to hide. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] So um you know it's just a matter of working out space. So I guess three things, um cost, um complexity, and the size. These are the three things that um will have an impact on you. So just go through it in the components. Um these are the options that are available to you, um I'm not very sure about the voice thing 'cause I got another email and it was in fact quite sketchy on what n the voice options are. [speaker003:] Right. [speaker001:] Um it said it could talk to you, but it never said anything about being able to listen. I it said something about a sensor but never clarified that. [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker002:] Hmm. [speaker001:] So maybe if you [disfmarker] well I could see the other email that they sent you, um 'cause they got back to me with like different requirements [vocalsound], or different offerings of what components availa Okay so your basic components are buttons, [speaker003:] Right. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] okay and you have a wheel available, like a mouse scroll wheel, [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] okay there's an LCD display, [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] um I think these are quite standard things. [speaker004:] They're standard, aren't they? [speaker001:] No um they're [disfmarker] well in the sense that these are all the options available for you. I'll explain to you the complexity and the cost thing again a bit later. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Okay um then there's um how the case actually looks. It can actually be flat or it can be curved, um and then the different types of materials that you can use, um I don't think you can use them in a combination, [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] um but um I could check back for you, but I don't think you can actually use them in a combination. [speaker002:] We [disfmarker] you couldn't have like plastic and rubber? [speaker001:] Um I think plastic and rubber would be fine, but plastic, rubber, and wood, I wasn't [disfmarker] I'm not very sure about the titanium. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] They had some restrictions on using the rubber and the titanium. [speaker004:] Hmm. [speaker002:] Mm 'kay. [speaker001:] Um the rubber was a restriction on the kind of power source you could use, but the titanium had a different kind of things on the shape of the thing, [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] so I think that there is some restriction on um [disfmarker] I think you could probably group plastic and rubber together, wood and titanium, [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] but you know it might be easier from a cost perspective and a complexity just to use one. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] You know as opposed to two. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Um and the other components are logic chips, um again I'll I'll go back to the component chips. The com how complex or how easy the logic is, it depends on how many functions you have on the on the unit um and that impacts cost. Um I don't think the logic chip has a issue about size 'cause they should be about the same size. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Power consumption should be about the same. Um I think the main impact is complexity, [speaker004:] Hmm. [speaker001:] um and the other thing is um the power options. Um the first one is a standard battery. Okay the second one I think is more of a gimmick then actually a useable thing, [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] it's a wind-up [vocalsound] you know, a crank [vocalsound]. [speaker002:] I'll clear one of these things for you. Just by moving it yeah. [speaker004:] Hmm. [speaker001:] Yeah but that that might be something [disfmarker] [vocalsound] I think that's more of a look and feel decision because I don't think you can have one power source if you're using the alternative power sources. I think whatever it is you still need a battery 'cause I don't think anybody wants to keep doing one thing. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] No. [speaker001:] Okay the other ones are a solar powered cell, [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] which may not be a great idea in Europe or [vocalsound] any country that has seasons 'cause half the year you'd be dead. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] So like what I said, you probably need like a battery and something else. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Um and the kinetic one I guess for me is the most interesting one because it's movement and people like to fiddle with their [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] and it's a nice sales gimmick I think. From a marketing gimmick it it's a technology thing, [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] it's a shake it [vocalsound] it doesn't work, shake it, knock it or something. You know [speaker002:] W yeah. [speaker004:] Hmm. [speaker001:] you know you have [disfmarker] you had those balls, you know those stress balls where you bounce the ball and it and it lights up and it goes, [speaker002:] Uh yeah yeah, I see. [speaker004:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] you know that might be a gimmick combined with rubber. [speaker004:] Hmm. [speaker001:] You know just to [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] if you get frustrated wi remote control you can throw it, [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] kind of [vocalsound] you know just uh you know um [disfmarker] so. Um okay [speaker004:] Hmm. [speaker002:] I know what you mean yeah. [speaker001:] my [disfmarker] from my role, I don't think that personal preferences but role preferences, I think um something comfortable to hold, [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] um small and slim I guess that's more in the sense of [disfmarker] small and slim in terms of comfortable not so small you can't, you know like a phone or something, too small phone. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Um and the other thing is from a production point of view um the less components we use and the simpler the components means you reduce your cost and you increase your profit. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Um and also the time to market and the complexity of developing designing and debugging it [disfmarker] um so. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm mm-hmm mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Um okay let me just go back and talk about some of the restrictions. [vocalsound] Um [disfmarker] The user interface restrictions basically means that if you use more complicated features, like the buttons are standard okay, the LCD panel and the scroll wheel you need more complicated logic. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Um the case [disfmarker] okay with a rubber case you can't have the solar panels. Okay with the titanium case, let me just check that um, [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] titanium case can't be curved, it has to be square. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker001:] Okay um there's no restriction on the plastic, and [speaker004:] It can't be curved. [speaker001:] it can't be curved [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker001:] on the wood. So that's again, I don't think you can use them in a combination, [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] um especially the titanium I I suspect they're very fixed to a particular need. [speaker002:] Right. [speaker001:] So um [vocalsound] mixing them may not be a good idea [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] um yep. That's it. [speaker002:] Right can I [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Uh question on [disfmarker] can I ask a question? [speaker002:] Yeah well yeah it's just I'm quite keen to get the discussion going with the time we've left so [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker002:] but yeah you c ask away. [speaker004:] Can we uh power a light in this? Can we get a strong enough battery to power a light? [speaker001:] Um I think we could because the LCD panel requires power, and the LCD is a form of a light [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker001:] so that [disfmarker] [speaker004:] So maybe one of the things we can just try and include is a really good battery. [speaker002:] Why what kind of light do you want [disfmarker] are you thinking of? [speaker004:] Well [disfmarker] I mean I'm thinking it might be [disfmarker] That [disfmarker] for uh this to be a high-tech thing it's gonna have to have something high-tech about it [speaker002:] Uh-huh. Yeah. [speaker004:] and that's gonna take battery power, and to make that to make that a realistic goal I think one of the issues that will come up later is, can the battery power it? [speaker001:] Are you thinking are you thinking of of a light in the sense of um a light light, or a light in the sense of it glows kind of you know Frankenstein, it's alive. [speaker004:] Illuminate the buttons. Yeah it glows. Well m I'm thinking along the lines of you're you're in the dark watching a DVD and you um you find the thing in the dark and you go like this, [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] and that's what everybody does. Oh where's the volume button in the dark, [speaker002:] Yeah yeah yeah. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] and uh y you just touch it, or you just pick it up, and it lights up or something. [speaker002:] Like a phone yeah, like the backlight in a phone. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] Like a phone, yeah yeah. [speaker002:] Okay cool. [speaker004:] Whereas with phones, people charge them once a week. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] We're gonna need to put in a really good battery so people don't have to charge their r remote control every few days. [speaker001:] Um that's why I think the option of the the kinetic thing which basically means as long as you shake it like a watch, like an automatic watch [speaker004:] But are people gonna wanna shake their movie controller? [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] um it's probably sensitive enough when you fiddle it. [speaker004:] Right. [speaker001:] So you could trigger that to a light, [speaker004:] Sure. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] like I said the bouncing ball thing, or you could trigger that to use that to power the light [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker001:] as opposed to [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Right. [speaker001:] so when they pick it up, right, and then that that sorta triggers the [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Right [speaker001:] glowingness. [speaker002:] okay um well [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Okay, great. [speaker002:] let's just go right back to the marketing ideas for a start, and just giving an id idea on the time, we've got about fifteen minutes to play with at most. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker002:] So um yeah so just t to bear in mind that the ultimate goal of this meeting is to reach an [gap] decision on the the the concepts of the product. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker002:] So back to your idea about um incorporating the idea of like fruit and veg, and the corporate colour, and things like that. [speaker004:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker002:] Um I mean what does everybody think about [disfmarker] Does anybody have any ideas of [disfmarker] about how we can fit all that in together? I mean that's kind of the user interface type of thing, what are your thoughts on that? [speaker003:] Um [vocalsound] I think we could go for like um [disfmarker] [vocalsound] maybe not a p a fruit shape but a very sort of curvy type shape. Um you could have the same sort of texture and colour as a fruit. [speaker002:] So maybe [disfmarker] do y are we thinking something that like s could sit in your hand comfortably, or do you th you'd hold onto comfortably or [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Um probably something that s sits in your hand comfortably, sort of feels right in your hand. [speaker002:] So something quite curvy? Okay um right okay. Colour-wise I mean you made a re uh was it you or uh I can't remember who made the point about how if you've a nice bright colour you'll not lose it, was that [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Whose [disfmarker] [speaker001:] I think he made that. [speaker004:] What's that? [speaker002:] about how if you have a bright colour you'll not lose it so much. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Um and when the corporate colour is yellow, I mean maybe we could think about about the colour of the whole product being yellow [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker002:] I don't know. Um [disfmarker] [vocalsound] And then obviously the uh the materials [disfmarker] when it [disfmarker] has anybody got like an overall picture in their mind about what what might work? [speaker004:] Well I mean I'm thinking that what we need to do is have something that kind of unifies a lot of the different concepts, [speaker002:] That's all. [speaker004:] and if we think that what we are w our number one marketing motive is um [vocalsound] the look and feel. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] So for the look and feel to seem coherent and not just sorta bits and bits and pieces of of concept and technology or or whatever or fashion, then we should have it kind of come back to one thing that we kind of all sorta can visualize. Um maybe what we could do is t th think about a concept which touches b back to the [disfmarker] on the um [vocalsound] the colour, you said company colour yellow. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] I mean if we think of something, like I was saying also lime and lemon you know, [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] what [disfmarker] can we come up with something where we we try and associate it with with like the series. We just come up with something like that we kind of use it as a theme to inspire the [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker004:] shapes and things. [speaker002:] Right. [speaker001:] Is there a particular shape that you're interested in? Like does marketing have any research on [disfmarker] does it need to be long? [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Does it need [disfmarker] with a square thing wha [speaker002:] Oh you know like in circular in shape or [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah 'cause that will n help narrow down the choice of [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Choice of material yeah. [speaker001:] Like fruit. [speaker002:] 'Cause I I I was kinda thinking about as well [disfmarker] you know how you get these shock resistant mobile phones, [speaker001:] [vocalsound] I'm thinking fruits in my head, but that's tacky. [speaker003:] See I'm [disfmarker] [speaker002:] and they're plastic but then also have like rubber on the outside, and it kinda feels [disfmarker] it feels kind of warmer to the touch. It feels a bit more comfortable, and maybe we could incorporate plastic and rubber into it. And then then we could have curved shapes, 'cause wood or titanium, yeah, it's gonna have to be boxy and rectangular and I think we might be moving away from that you know so um [disfmarker] [vocalsound] Well I'm [disfmarker] do we really want it in like the shape of a lemon or [disfmarker] [speaker004:] No no no not at all. [speaker002:] no I don't think we do either [vocalsound]. [speaker004:] It's more more just that we we think about like what it is we're trying to achieve, so and then we have one one sorta theme that we stick with. Do you know what I mean? [speaker002:] Okay right well um [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] so thoughts about the actual shape of the thing. [speaker003:] I'd quite like a sort of uh snowman type shape. [speaker002:] A snowman shape? [speaker003:] Um so a p sort of larger bit sits in your hand, and then you got maybe another bubble at the top for just any other function you need. [speaker002:] Uh-huh. That's quite a distinctive shape, [speaker004:] Right, [speaker002:] that would be good [speaker004:] sure. [speaker002:] wouldn't it. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah so yeah should we go with that? [speaker004:] Um can we yeah like to and wha like do you have a [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Do you wanna draw it on the board? [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Can you like [disfmarker] yeah just t we can visualize it. [speaker003:] Um something like that um you got two groups there um maybe it could fold up and you get a third group inside [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker002:] Ooh that'd be good. [speaker003:] or uh you have volume controls about there. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] Yep. [speaker002:] So call it the snowman-shape trademark [vocalsound]. Yeah that's cool. Um and I mean colour-wise what does everybody think? I think it is quite important to get yellow in there somewhere. I mean do you want the whole thing yellow, maybe like yellow and white [disfmarker] do you want something [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker003:] So I reckon it'd look quite nice if we just had um this [gap] here, had a sorta background yellow, [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Uh-huh. [speaker003:] and then have sort of a nice bold colour for the buttons. [speaker002:] Okay cool. Um and also I mean how are we going to incorporate the slogan in? The fact that it talks to you, I mean it might be quite cool if when you first start using it it says, what is it, putting fashion into electronics or something, I dunno. Or when you like [disfmarker] or if you turn it off or something [disfmarker] if it can speak if it could actually say the slogan it might be a bit more powerful than just having it written on it somewhere. [speaker003:] I think that might scare me. [speaker002:] I d I d any thoughts on that at all? [speaker003:] I think that'd probably scare me. You turn it on your control possessed s [vocalsound]. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] I know. Um unless an a I mean if you [disfmarker] also would that work if we wanted to incorporate um an LCD display, where would we put that? Would we put that on the inside or [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Um [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Do we need an LCD display? What what's the functionality of that? [speaker002:] It's bound to increase the cost of it a lot, I would've thought. [speaker001:] Yeah but the question is what are we using it [disfmarker] [speaker004:] What would it achieve? [speaker001:] what would we what would we achieve from it? Putting in lights is cheap but putting in an LCD panel just to make it glow is a bit of a [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Well [disfmarker] LC well I'd [disfmarker] when you used to mention the LCD I'd think I wonder what that would be about. And the th the thing I could see it helping with would be if it was somehow connected with um listings. So as you scroll through, 'cause we said we might have a jog dial, so as you scroll through your stations you can y it actually tells you what it is. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. I think that will be a problem because we don't have an input device to get the listings into it, [speaker004:] Right, okay. [speaker001:] so um it's a bit nuts to get the [gap] Monday Tuesday Wednesday you know. [speaker002:] Mm oh yeah that's true. Yeah. So so no need for an LCD display? [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Um I I'm not saying there's no need for an LCD display, but um it's [disfmarker] what's what what would it tell the user, [speaker002:] I think that would make it very complex. [speaker001:] 'cause the LCD tends to be an output as uh as opposed to an input so um does the remote control need to talk back to the user? [speaker002:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker004:] Mm not real [speaker001:] We have the option of the speaker as well [disfmarker] the sa the same thing goes for the speaker, is there a need for the remote control to to talk back? [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] I don't know if there is really, [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] Nah. [speaker002:] no um [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Um [disfmarker] [speaker002:] I would say no need for a talk-back. Uh does anybody disagree with that? [speaker004:] No. [speaker001:] You could put a game on it [vocalsound]. [speaker002:] No? [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Easy [vocalsound]. [speaker001:] When the TV dies you can play with the remote control [vocalsound]. [speaker004:] Mm mm. [speaker002:] Okay um right so you're gonna have the three different sets of of functionalities, um I mean do you wanna group them into s head of the snowman, body of the snowman, inside of the snowman, is that what you're thinking? [speaker003:] Um [vocalsound] well I think the advanced ones the the ones you don't usually use could be hid inside. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker003:] B um I think the [gap] we had were fairly basic ones, they'd have to go on the the front somewhere. [speaker002:] Okay right um what else do you need to talk about? [speaker004:] Well i I was just [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Where would you physically position the buttons? Um I think that that has some impact on on on many things. [speaker004:] Yeah [gap]. Yeah. [speaker003:] Um [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Um maybe you wanna draw onto the [disfmarker] [speaker002:] So I'm just gonna um pop this in here 'cause I have a slide about decision making which I'd forgotten about. [speaker001:] Yep. [speaker002:] Oh sh God we've got five minutes um okay uh back we go. Um energy what [disfmarker] do you think that's suggesting we're [disfmarker] how we're powering the thing? I really like the idea of this kinetic thing where you'd have the back-up of the battery, but have have kinetic power, [speaker004:] Yeah, sure. Um I've had kinetic things before, [speaker002:] I mean what does anybody think about that? [speaker004:] and the the the one issue we need to keep in mind with them is that you're committing the user to moving it, and watches yeah [disfmarker] [speaker001:] No, like I said we have a h hybrid kind of thing, so it's not gonna charge the battery, it's just [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Sure, okay, right, okay. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker004:] Support for it. I mean just [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] it's just worth pointing out because like I've I've known I've known people to have kinetic watches that they wear all the time, [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] and it's just like magic because it's always powered and there's no battery. I've also known people to have [vocalsound] things like like a jewellery watch they wear from time to time, and they eventually just say it's just too much of a nuisance because I don't wear it all the time. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yep. [speaker004:] Like remote control is similar, you're away on vacation, I dunno whatever, you something, and it just starts to get worn down. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] So we should think about [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Well I suppose that if you're if you're away and you're not using it, then you're not using any power either. So you'd have the battery as the kind of [disfmarker] to keep it ticking over idea [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] I'm really sorry we're gonna have to wrap up quite quickly, we don't have as much time as I thought. [speaker004:] Yep. [speaker002:] Um so I think that's what energy is referring to here. Chip on print, is that [disfmarker] that's an industrial design thing, is it David? [speaker001:] Yes yes. [speaker002:] Okay um as for the case, kind of discussed that [disfmarker] [speaker004:] And this size here, I'd suggest this be small, like quite small. [speaker002:] Yeah I know we're gonna have like rubber buttons that feel kind of [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah I think so yeah. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker004:] Um just a a lot of the um [disfmarker] [vocalsound] I mean one of the things running through my mind right now, I realise we're being efficient to wrap up the meeting and have lots of decisions made, [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] um but we are leaning quite a bit to the side of being low-tech, rubber buttons plastic frame, it's almost like we're reproducing the same old remote control that's out there. [speaker002:] Mm 'kay. [speaker004:] Should we think about how we are actually getting this high-tech user friendly uh um theme [disfmarker] like what is it that we're u we're using to to achieve those goals? [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Like [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Could have things like backlighting the buttons and stuff like that. [speaker004:] Okay so so backlighting, that would be good. [speaker001:] Or even a clear case. Um you know a a glowing a a glowing yellow type case where the yellow is showable, [speaker004:] Yeah clear, [speaker002:] Aye that would be a good idea. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker001:] but in the dark it sort of, it's alive [vocalsound]. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah sure. [speaker001:] Um in in a slight subtle way. [speaker002:] S so like cur slightly transparent case, so it's yellow, like tinted yellow, but you can maybe see through it. [speaker004:] Yeah that'd be really good. [speaker001:] Yeah yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Is that what you mean? [speaker001:] Or or there might be a light running through it like a mouse. [speaker004:] Sure. [speaker001:] You know you have cordless mice and they don't eat that much power right. [speaker004:] Yeah, yeah. [speaker001:] So the power [disfmarker] the battery in that sense, maybe you have one or two stratig strategically placed lights [speaker004:] Yeah. Sure. [speaker001:] that sort of [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah they they emanate a light through it. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker001:] Yeah but because the case is transparent so it gives it a little bit of a glow, doesn't make it freaky. [speaker002:] Lights. [speaker004:] 'Kay. Yeah, mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker004:] Um and then the other thing that we we're s we've committed ourselves to achieving is simplicity, and so I'm thinking maybe should we try and think about having something like um some kind of an innovative concept about how the um the volume and the channels are controlled, 'cause that's the main thing people will f wanna do. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker004:] Could we use like a jog dial, like a nice just sort of round, somewhere on it where you just roll it? [speaker001:] The question is when you're rolling it, how do you wanna roll it? [speaker004:] Or [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Do you want 'em to roll it like that? Do you want 'em to roll it like that? 'Cause in a mouse your hand's in a position to roll it, [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] whereas the other thing about having it jog dial this way, it tends to get moved accidentally. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Yeah if you are holding it in your hand you could you could do that, couldn't you? [speaker004:] Well why don't we do it like a mouse then? [speaker002:] If you're holding it in your hand you could [disfmarker] [speaker001:] That's a very unnatural motion to [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Do you think? [speaker001:] yeah. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] Can you imagine you have to scroll a lot. Um it might work for volume, [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] and maybe some of the brightness controls and stuff like that, [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] but not for channels right. If you have a Telewest box you've got like, you don't have to buy all the channels, [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] you've about fifty channels, can you imagine trying to [vocalsound]. [speaker002:] Yeah [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] okay okay [speaker004:] Yeah, [speaker001:] Um and I don't think having that you know too quick too slow kin it's confusing to the [disfmarker] [speaker004:] sure. [speaker002:] um [gap] [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker003:] Well, but then for um for skipping a large amount of channels you do have to uh to skip the channel button, the number part. [speaker001:] I dunno. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] But users tend to tend to want to use that [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] and once they lose out on the user experience they're like [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker003:] Uh but [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Because that's becomes the most accessible thing in front of [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker004:] But that's not a bad thing is it? [speaker002:] Just [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Because when you think about it, the alternative is to go push the button. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Jog dials are much easier than that. [speaker002:] Okay [speaker004:] You just roll. [speaker002:] um right well wouldn't it [disfmarker] we do need to make a decision on whether we want to incorporate a jog dial in nice and quickly. Um I'm all for them actually, I think they're quite [disfmarker] you know th very quick to m to use. [speaker004:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker002:] So does anybody oppose the idea of of incorporating one into the design at all? No. And the other thing was um can we think of any way of getting the slogan into this thing? [speaker004:] Yeah like I mean if we if if we keep coming back to this board here, [speaker002:] Uh-huh. [speaker004:] I wouldn't be surprised if we could take this idea, imagine that, I dunno, that it's within the shape of the hand, it's quite small [vocalsound] [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Uh-huh ooh okay, [speaker004:] I dunno. [speaker002:] we really gotta wrap up so yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. It's small, and that we've got like the the l slogan somewhere like on the casing at the side, [speaker002:] Okay well if we can do that, great. [speaker004:] and that yeah [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah okay. [speaker004:] well I mean isn't that what we just h said said we s just have to decide now? [speaker002:] Yeah let's let's try and get the slogan on there [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] um, and [disfmarker] [speaker004:] And then like a jo [speaker001:] So you wanna expand the shape of the [disfmarker] [speaker004:] And then like a jog dial somewhere that fits in with the shape of it like I dunno like here, in with the [disfmarker] [speaker001:] That that might have one problem in terms of um in terms of whether you're left handed or you're right handed you might be locking yourself in. [speaker004:] It would get bumped, it's [disfmarker] doesn't really fit with your hand. Yeah. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker004:] Or maybe just fit it in like down the middle here. [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker001:] Could I just could I just jump in and suggest something quickly? [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Right I'm gonna have to [disfmarker] [speaker004:] A jog di [speaker002:] I'm really gonna have to hurry you on here 'cause we're we're actually over time. [speaker004:] Yeah It's kind of yeah [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Um is there anything anybody's unsure about? Just for [disfmarker] in closing just [disfmarker] the next meeting's gonna be in thirty minutes, and so you can see in the screen here what each of you are gonna hopefully be doing, [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] uh I know that the designers are gonna be working with Play-doh on that. So um [vocalsound] that'll be that'll be good. [speaker004:] Huh. [speaker002:] Um and I'll get the the minutes up as soon as possible. Anything at all you think we haven't discussed that we need to? Is everybody kind of happy about what they're gonna be doing? [speaker004:] Um [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Um I think one thing would be the jog dial 'cause that's gonna have quite a big impact on the thing um [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah I think the jog dial, you know it just after you drew that, what if it was flat and you just spun it, [speaker001:] Yeah that's what I was thinking the [disfmarker] [speaker004:] that'd be great. [speaker001:] a slide, because then you you don't have to put the hand. [speaker004:] Yeah. Yep. [speaker001:] I think incorporating a logo is quite straight forward. There's lots of space for it um [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Okay. That's kind of a design thing that you guys can can discuss, yeah. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah but it's also a a marketing and a function [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Sure, yeah, yeah [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker004:] and materials we sorta said we'd do plastic and rubber, didn't we, [speaker001:] [gap] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] and I think maybe we should try and stay away from just the big protruding rubber buttons, 'cause that'd just be so standard. [speaker002:] To make something flush with the case? [speaker004:] Something a bit more flush, yeah, [speaker002:] Okay right. [speaker004:] or maybe have rubber incorporated into the case as well, so that it has [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker004:] and also t plastic I've seen can get really textured, so you can get plastics that actually feel soft in your hand. [speaker002:] Sp kinda grippy? [speaker001:] Feel like fruit. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Fruits kids [vocalsound]. [speaker004:] They feel kind of like um, you get pens now and then that you'd think that they were rubber but they're not, [speaker001:] No like [disfmarker] Yeah yeah. [speaker004:] they're actually just plastic that's textured, kind of a little bit like [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah yeah kinda like that yeah. [speaker002:] Okay I'm gonna have to I'm gonna have to call this to a close 'cause we're way over time. So um that's really good, like we've s had much to talk about that um pretty much run out of time to do so. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker002:] So off you go and design stuff [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker002:] wooh [vocalsound]. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Play-doh time. [speaker002:] Yeah quite jealous actually. [speaker001:] You got to choose first. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] No, we're kidding. Okay, can I just swipe your power cable, I don't think it matters. [vocalsound] Okay lemme [disfmarker] okay, I'm gonna pull everybody out first and then put in whoever needs to be left. It's you. Argh. This is a real hassle and a [disfmarker] oops. I'm gonna take the microphones, 'cause it's [disfmarker] too lazy t take them off again. Cool.

[speaker002:] Okay, well I think we're ready to begin. Right, my name's Adam Duguid, we're here because of real reaction, um, we have in the group [speaker003:] Oh, Ebenezer Ademesoye. Would you like me to spell that? S [speaker002:] Um, yeah, go for it mate. [speaker003:] Um, NEZ [speaker002:] N E Z. [speaker003:] ER. [speaker002:] Ebenezer. And your role is? [speaker003:] I'm the Marketing Expert. [speaker002:] You're the Marketing Expert, okay. Next we have? [speaker004:] Tarik Rahman. TARIK. [speaker002:] T R I K. And your role in this is? [speaker004:] Industrial Designer. [speaker002:] Industrial Designer. And, lastly we have? [speaker001:] Uh, Dave Cochrane. [speaker002:] And you're going to be the User Interface, [speaker001:] User Interface Defin Designer, yes. [speaker002:] is it? Designer. Okay. Right. This is the agenda for today's meeting. As you can see, w opening, acquaintance, tool training, project plan discussion, and closing. Um, we already got n through opening, and partially through acquaintance. So, the reason we're here, we're gonna design a new remote control, as you probably all know. The very broad overview is original, trendy, and user-friendly. Course, we'll have to go into a bit more um detail than that, but uh [vocalsound] personally I think that the original is gonna be a very key aspect to this design. Um, there's a lot of remote controls out there anyway, so we're gonna need something that's really gonna set it apart. This is how today seems to be going to work. We're gonna have the three kay phases, as you've probably already been told, the functional, architectural, and the detailed design. Um [disfmarker] First one's gonna be covering the user requirement spec, technical functions, working design. Second seems to be conceptual components, properties, materials, and the last one is a detailed analysis of our design so far. Of course, you've all got the similar emails, I believe, right. [vocalsound] What can I say? [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Ebenezer, you wanna have a [disfmarker] you wanna draw your favourite animal [vocalsound]? [speaker003:] Sure. [vocalsound] Whiteboard. 'Kay. S okay. I will make this quick, since we don't have much time. [vocalsound] Um. [vocalsound] 'Kay, so it's not the best picture in the world. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Here we have an elephant. First point, begins with an E, same like Ebenezer. Also, elephants have a very good memory, much like myself, [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] and I can't remember back when I used to live back in Nigeria, but I think I used to have a pet elephant. So elephants are big, strong and gentle, and they have great memories, and they begin with the letter E, just like Ebenezer. [speaker002:] Brilliantly done. [speaker003:] Thank you. [speaker002:] Thank you. [vocalsound] Tarik, would you like to have a shot at a bit of artistry? [speaker004:] [gap]. [speaker003:] Oh. Oh [vocalsound] oh [speaker002:] Oh, um, you can clip them to your belt. [speaker004:] Do we take them off? [speaker003:] I think you ga [speaker004:] Oh right, okay. [speaker002:] You should also l um have your [disfmarker] the lapel mic on as well. [speaker003:] The little [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Ah-ha. [speaker003:] The the [disfmarker] Oh that's good, we can clip them on. Okay. Yeah, [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Now where do I put the [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Just um somewhere [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yep, the [gap], it's just across there, that's it. Yep. [speaker004:] Is this supposed to be clipped as well? [speaker003:] I think so. [speaker002:] Yeah. It'll follow you if you [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah. There you go. [speaker002:] You can probably just stick it in your pocket for now, I wouldn't worry too much. Should have good range. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Uh, destroying your elephant here. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] Uh, here we have a tiger. Uh [disfmarker] I've always loved tigers. They're just [disfmarker] they're big, they're biggest cats, uh I did a project on cats in the wild when I was a kid and uh it was my favourite cat, just 'cause it was [disfmarker] looks the best, the stripes, orange. My dad used to talk about [disfmarker] he's from Bangladesh so he used to tell me all about them when he was [disfmarker] when I was a kid. And uh they're just the most feared of of uh animals in the wild. So uh that's why I like them. Didn't say an anything about me really but [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Excellent, thank you very much. Dave, if you'd like to uh have a dash. [speaker001:] Um [disfmarker] [vocalsound] Um, the monkey, um. The one f uh [disfmarker] in fact this is a [gap] somewhat oblique reference in fact to uh [disfmarker] well my [disfmarker] I have a three uh three y year old daughter who h who who who is affectionately known as Miss Monkey. Um, monkeys have attitude. Which I think is a good thing. And I mean fr [vocalsound] and from uh from the point of view of sort of the study of human evolution they and other primates are terribly interesting. Um, so I like monkeys. And and th th th th thi thi this one seems to have perhaps more attitude than most. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Cheers. Hardly what I'd call the best drawing in the world but it'll do for now. Also not quite as feared as your average tiger, but uh cats are one of my favourite animals, they're very independent, they're snotty as hell at the best of times, and uh, what can you say, you got to love those qualities in an animal. Right. I think we've all managed to master the whiteboard there by looks of it, so, on to it. Project finance. As you can see, twelve point five Euros per unit. That's not a terrible lot as far as I'm aware, and we're hoping to sell them for twenty five. If we're aiming for fifty million Euros we're gonna have to be selling an awful lot of them. [speaker003:] Oh, that was profiting, that was an amount, so that's the amount made, [speaker002:] Yep. [speaker003:] okay. [speaker002:] Well, fifty million, and if you're making twelve point five Euros on each one, then, awful lot need to be sold. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Okay. Now we better actually just get on with the uh the meat of the project. So I'm gonna guess that we've all used remote controls. Any ideas of where you think a new remote control could go into this market? [speaker001:] Well, one thing I'm aware of is, th there uh um at the sort of v very high price end of the market there's there's a em emerging market for sort of touch screen LCD remotes that can be uh programmed in m much more sophisticated ways than sort of conventional models, so you get the sort of you get um you [vocalsound] you can redesign the interface to your own needs, you can programme in macros, and you get a much greater degree um um I mean you get in these sort of [vocalsound] three in one, five in one, whatevers, but you can get integration between the different uh the the the diff the different things that it's designed to control, to a much greater extent, and you can have one uh you know one macro to turn the uh you know turn the TV to the right channel, get the uh re uh rewind the tape in the VCR and get it to play once it's rewound, for instance. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] Um b it occurs to me there might be a niche for uh for a remote that aimed towards some of that sort of functionality but using a just conventional push button design. And therefore putting it into a um well much lower price bracket. [speaker002:] Okay, yeah, tha that's true, with the price range we're looking at, going for a touch screen would probably be possibly out of our [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Absolutely prohibitive, [speaker002:] yeah. [speaker001:] yeah. [speaker003:] Oh. [speaker002:] But you think uh again something to control multiple units in uh a simple fashion. [speaker001:] Yeah, I mean I wouldn't like to say you g [vocalsound] I mean you get ones that you can switch between multiple units, but something that could um operate between multiple units in a more integrated fashion. Some [gap] and ideally something into which it would have some at least limited facility for [vocalsound] um running macros. [speaker002:] Would the the idea something along the lines of, one on button would turn on say the video recorder, the TV, maybe the sound system as well, all in one go, is that kind of [disfmarker] [speaker001:] For instance, um let's say oh oh um, or um you know you pr uh you press uh say the play button for the DVD player and it turns the TV on and onto the right channel as well, um [speaker002:] Okay, that sounds like a a good strong idea. Um [disfmarker] [speaker003:] 'Kay [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Any takes on this? [speaker003:] Well um I've noticed that uh gaming c is becoming quite popular with television, um when I was younger we used to e play games using our cable, using the cable subscribed the cable providers, [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] but our remote controls would get worn out really easily, and [vocalsound] the remote control was not a great kind of keyboar, um keypad, for playing games. So perhaps one that was more um [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker003:] specialised for game playing or interactive television. They they've recently brought out this new remote control, for people to set their favourite channels, or um to record things. Instead of people entering in what time things start, you simply stri slide a bar to say what time it begins, and slide another bar to say what time it ends, [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker003:] you know that's [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah I've heard [disfmarker] I've seen the bar-code design before, [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker002:] yeah. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] Yeah, it's it's taken out the [disfmarker] Y you don't have to be uh really clever to use a remote control. I think for gaming, you know you want you want some big buttons for up, down, left and right, shoot. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Uh, you wanna be able to change angles in interactive television, so you need buttons to change the television angle, the camera angles and stuff like that. [speaker002:] Okay, well [speaker004:] 'Kay. [speaker002:] we're beginning to run out of time now, so, [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] we've got a couple of ideas, we can [disfmarker] we'll have to work fast, um, alright as you can see we've got thirty minutes until the next meeting, so [vocalsound] we'll have to try and decide on some of the basic functionality, um, how the user interface might work, that'll be a key aspect especially if the idea of um some kind of macros facility because you have to program it, you have to have a lot of response back, or at least some kind. Um [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] And we're gonna maybe n try and have to figure out [speaker003:] What the user wants uh. [speaker002:] what the user wants, yes. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker002:] Um, right. Has anybody got anything they'd like to add at this stage, anything they think that might have been missed so far? [speaker004:] Well when you're talking about gaming and stuff, do you think they should have some sort of stick on it, rather than buttons? [speaker003:] Oh. Okay, [gap]. [speaker004:] Like uh control pads, you know of games, but [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] or is that a bit ridiculous? [vocalsound] [speaker002:] I I don't see why not, almost everybody is probably used to a console by now, and all of them incorporate small keypads on them, in fact even the mobile phones these days are beginning to use them as well, so it's probably an interface that most people are used to. Um [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] and that could allow n easy navigation, used as a joystick as well. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. The other key feature that uh that would be a good idea built into it is t is is to make something you know fairly sort of ergonomic, something that just fits [vocalsound] fits as comfortably as possible into the hand. But of course, uh al al also allows for [gap] the possibility of a more sort of slightly unconventional or attractive uh sha shape for it overall, [vocalsound]. [speaker002:] Okay. So, small, stylish, and something that's just a little different. [speaker001:] A curve, mm-hmm. Something sort of sort of sl slightly sort of biomorphic in form, [vocalsound] uh which it would need to be to sort of conform to the shape of the hand more efficiently anyway. [speaker002:] Okay. That's definitely something that we should be able to do quite easily. I would I would have hoped so anyway. Um, right. I'd say we finish this one up, we get started, I'll get in, I'll write up what we've um kind of quickly done, and I'll get that out to everybody. [speaker003:] 'Kay. [speaker002:] Yeah? [speaker003:] So. [speaker002:] Okay. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [gap]. [speaker003:] [gap]. [speaker002:] Um, as far as I'm aware we leave the microphones here, um unless we get told otherwise, and just take the laptops with us.

[speaker004:] Okay. [speaker001:] Okay, almost there. [speaker003:] Okay. We'll sta I'll use the PowerPoint, I guess. How was that, was that fun? [speaker004:] Mm. Very fun. [speaker001:] Yeah, yeah. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Okay. Uh oh I've forgotten to mail you the minutes, but I will do. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Upsidaisy. [speaker002:] Hmm. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Um [vocalsound] [vocalsound] Um we [disfmarker] [speaker002:] E excuse me I forgot my [speaker003:] Yeah. Alright, okay, yeah. [speaker002:] copy. [gap] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] He's gonna get his pen. [speaker004:] Oh right. Okay. [speaker003:] Um [vocalsound] Will you guys first with your prototype um before we get to the good news? [speaker001:] Yeah, there's good news? [speaker003:] Uh [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Oh. [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker003:] we have budget problems. [speaker001:] Oh. Cutbacks. [speaker003:] I'm afraid you're all sacked. Oops. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] I don't even have this on. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Hmm. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] Okay, have you got a presentation to make? [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] No, not mine yet. [speaker003:] No. Okay so it's just your your show. [speaker001:] Oh. Um maybe we should bring [gap] so that the camera can see [gap]. Yeah. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Okay. Sure. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] We made three for you. [speaker003:] Three? Oh. [speaker004:] Um one's based on the banana, one's based on the tomato and the other one is st [speaker003:] Tomato? What tomato? [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] I don't recall a tomato. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Look. Oh yeah, well yeah, we had v some red left over. So. Okay, [speaker003:] Ah I see, okay. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] so this is the um non to non uh no buttons one, or as mm few buttons as possible, [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] mainly speak recognition. The yellow there is the um [speaker003:] Logo. [speaker004:] the slogan, yeah, that we need to incorporate, [speaker003:] Okay, brilliant. [speaker004:] it's very simple. If you do need buttons, you can flip it over, and there's some there, [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker004:] um but mainly it's speech recognition. [speaker003:] Okay, so the buttons would be like, you know individual users, or [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah and [vocalsound] yeah they might project things onto the screen which you can do on there. [speaker003:] Alright, okay. [speaker004:] Mm I'm not sure about that. Um and this one is the one w more like the one w that we looked at earlier. [speaker003:] Right. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah, you guys can have a look at that if you want. [speaker003:] That's groovy. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [gap] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Well I like the feel of it, I like the feel of it. [speaker002:] Uh can I have [gap] [speaker004:] Yeah, sure. Um that one is [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Oh sorry s [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Oh no, it's delicate. [speaker003:] At Oh dear. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] That's that's already got its stand that one. That's it stand. [speaker003:] Alright, okay. [speaker004:] It does also lie flat, but that's the that yellow stand there represents the the charging stand. [speaker003:] Okay, brilliant mm. [speaker004:] Um the black on the back is the slogan. [speaker003:] Okay, nice and obvious there [vocalsound], [speaker004:] Uh yeah, that [gap] [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Well, we did think of that. [speaker003:] if it's standing up, I guess, yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah, if it's standing up it's it's on there, but also we're gonna have the company name on the front, which is the little black kind of line in the middle. [speaker003:] Oh right, okay, brilliant. Like that from its centre. [speaker004:] So um and that's the um transmit the LED thing. These are the s two scroll ones which we thought could be channel up and down and volume up and down. We n were weren't sure about putting them there, because um i it's it kind of could get bashed. [speaker003:] Where you're, yeah, uh were you're holding it kind of [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah. Well, if you hold it, you can [disfmarker] you all can hold it, is [disfmarker] it does actually feel quite ergonomic, [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] if you've got small hands. [speaker003:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Um, obviously I don't think that's real sized [gap]. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker004:] It would have to be a bit bigger. [speaker003:] Yeah, okay. Yeah, scale model, yeah. [speaker004:] Okay. Um that's a speaker at the top, so you can speak into it like a little walkie-talkie as well for speak recognition. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] Um and [vocalsound] um then the buttons. Yeah kind of self-explanatory, just buttons whenever you need them. Tried to keep it simple. Oh that's the charging base prongs at the bottom. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Alright, excellent. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] We used those [gap]. And um then the big red button in the middle is the on and off one. It's not in the traditional place, [speaker003:] Okay. No. [speaker004:] but um it's quite an obvious place. [speaker003:] It's out of the way as well, I suppose, so. Excellent. [speaker004:] So [vocalsound] there we go and and um we have the banana-based one too. [speaker001:] Oh yeah, yeah. [speaker003:] Yep. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] This one is uh, I suppose for the younger audiences. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Okay [speaker001:] A a more friendly type of [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] so so Barney the banana [gap]. [speaker001:] Right, right. It's to uh induce more television watching I suppose or [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Ah excellent, just what we need. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. Say it for the camera. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Lo Sort of Loch Ness banana. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Right, right. [speaker003:] Cool [gap] yeah. Well, nice to have uh options at least. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yep. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] So are there any um improvements or issues or [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] 'Kay and [disfmarker] [speaker001:] It won't stand. [speaker003:] Oh there are issues, oh there are issues. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Just let it lie down, it wont stand. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Um main problem that we have unfortunately being finance. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Oh. [speaker003:] Uh, let's just enter in the um evaluation criteria. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Um [vocalsound] unfortunately the unit we are currently going to produce minus the extra scroll buttons, uh it's gonna cost us fourteen point six Euros. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker004:] Oh. [speaker003:] So we have to [speaker001:] What's on the uh on the left? [gap] [speaker003:] rea Sorry, I've accidentally highlighted somehow [disfmarker] Um. [vocalsound] There we go. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] Oh god, [speaker004:] Ooh. [speaker003:] why is it doing that? There we go. [vocalsound] So basically, um in order to save our two Euros um I was thinking that we could have essentially the same shape, but just have it flattened. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. More like a traditional remote control. [speaker003:] Um. Yeah, I mean it's already got a kind of cool shape, [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] so but it wouldn't have to be curved sort of in and out. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] And by doing so [disfmarker] Oh no, hold on. Doesn't save us quite as much. I don't know what's going on with this again. [speaker001:] W why is the uh double curved two of them? [speaker003:] Oh, good point. [speaker002:] And double curve on both sides? [speaker003:] Um. [speaker002:] Curve [vocalsound]. Yeah, this is double-curve, [speaker003:] That's [vocalsound] sort of curve in and out. [speaker002:] no? This is double-curve. [speaker001:] Is i [speaker002:] It [disfmarker] This one is single curve. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker002:] 'Cause this is single curve, this is curved on both sides. So double-curve. [speaker003:] No, I think it means double curved as in um [speaker004:] Like an S shape. [speaker003:] like uh [gap] a single curve on that bottom half, and the double curved would be if it was that similar curve upward. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker003:] Okay, I might be wrong though. [speaker002:] Like this, one curve on this side, one curve on that side. [speaker003:] I don't think that counts as a curve, I think that's just a shape. [speaker002:] Hmm. Hmm. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] A curvature is like the [disfmarker] this case. [speaker002:] Maybe. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] 'Cause that's the uh the biggest expense there, right. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker003:] Yeah, [speaker001:] [gap] got two of them [disfmarker] [speaker003:] and why why I've got it two, I don't know, I can't seem to select any more however. [speaker001:] Okay. Well we can work around that [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] um [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] Right. No. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Cut things out. But you think it should be one. [speaker003:] It's meant to be one, yeah, I don't know why I put two in there, [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] but um [disfmarker] Hold on till I find it, I think this shift button might be stuck again. No maybe the shift button's stuck in. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Um okay, so that would take away three, which would give us [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Mm. Should [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Oh that's fine. [speaker001:] Yeah, so we're [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Eleven uh eleven Euros sixty. [speaker004:] Cool. Cool. [speaker003:] Um [vocalsound] [speaker004:] So we could even add something. [speaker003:] We cou Oh not quite, have the scroll-wheel, unfortunately. [speaker001:] We should fire the accountants. [speaker003:] What? [speaker001:] Fire the accountants. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Ah yeah, we could add things. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Maybe if you click back in that bottom right cell, where you're starting from, and then use the arrow keys. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Does that work? [speaker003:] Yeah, I know, that just extends it as well. [speaker001:] No mm [vocalsound]. [speaker002:] Uh you can do one thing [gap]. [speaker003:] I don't know. [speaker002:] You just select one box outsi yeah, this box. Then move it with the help of this [disfmarker] Okay. [speaker003:] It [disfmarker] One of the buttons is sticking, I don't know [gap]. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Just uh just uh [disfmarker] Okay, just a minute. Okay. No input, like this. [vocalsound] Shift. No it's not. [speaker003:] No, it's 'cause the uh the shift button's stuck, or something. [speaker002:] Yeah, it's not working. [speaker001:] Is it the other shift button maybe? [speaker002:] Should we ask Meli [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Should we ask our technical expert Melissa? [speaker003:] [vocalsound] No that's fine. Um we've worked out what it would be anyway. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Did you try both shift buttons? It could be the other side. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Cancel. Piss off. [speaker001:] That's too bad. [speaker003:] Oh well, never mind. Um [vocalsound]. Right, so that's finances and I dunno what we [disfmarker] what could we reckon we could add? Um [speaker004:] Well maybe we could add something, but maybe if [disfmarker] What do you th [speaker003:] Well I suppose that's our that's that's our design that we've got. So [disfmarker] [speaker004:] We're trying to save money, so. Yeah, if we're happy with the design there's no point in spending money, if we don't have to. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] But if there is anything you think we've missed out there, then, you know, feel free to add it. Maybe [disfmarker] I mean obviously it would be bigger so there might be more space for the the slogan on the front, because it's not in an ideal place right now. [speaker003:] Yeah yeah. Well that's that's uh [disfmarker] Okay, so project evaluation. We have under twelve [vocalsound] Euros fifty. Project process, how do we think that went? Are we happy? [speaker001:] Oh. [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker001:] Yeah I think we have a a winning product. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] Okay. [vocalsound] Evaluation. Oh we've been writing this up for m months. [speaker004:] I think it went quite smoothly. [speaker003:] Uh room for creativity, were we happy with that? [speaker004:] W I think we were very creative. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] No, I mea I think it means sort of individually. [speaker004:] Oh right, okay. [speaker003:] Yes, no, maybe? [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] Okay. Groovy. So uh we're just gonna. Uh yeah, okay. Teamwork? Leadership, sorry. [speaker001:] Great leadership. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Excellent leadership. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Thank you very much. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] You're all get you're all getting a raise. Uh teamwork. I thought went well. [speaker001:] Yeah, yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah, everyone got enough input, I think. [speaker003:] Yeah. Uh and well means, yeah. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yeah, we [gap] [disfmarker] [speaker003:] The technical stuff was brilliant. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Let's buy more. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Uh Right. Um [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] These pens are are neat though. [speaker003:] I don't know what, new ideas found, means, to be honest. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah, these are new ideas, like glow-in-the-dark or something like that. We discussed all the new ideas, but of course we couldn't reach any proper goals, we couldn't use these [gap], but we h we are using these scroll buttons like this. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] These are new ideas we And new shapes, everything [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Mm 'kay. Groovy. [speaker002:] At le [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker003:] So just general thumbs up for all of us then. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Hmm. [speaker003:] That kind of unfortunately is too quick. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker002:] Hmm. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] Well um. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Uh [vocalsound]. I suppose yeah. Um. [speaker001:] Uh so let's talk about our bonuses and the raises we're getting for this, right. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] That's it, um I think another couple of days holiday pay might be well in order for all of you. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Right, right. [speaker003:] Uh [disfmarker] [vocalsound] Let's see if I can get this bloody thing to work. [speaker001:] Uh maybe we should start cleaning up the clay. [speaker003:] Whoops. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah, maybe. [speaker002:] So [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Does it go back in, does it? Reusable. [speaker001:] [gap] [speaker004:] [gap] [speaker001:] Something we should get [gap]. [speaker003:] I don't know what this is but it's really really annoying. [speaker002:] So [vocalsound] [disfmarker] Uh Brian, have you have you finished? [speaker003:] Uh-huh. Um I have, yes. [speaker002:] Uh mine needs also this. [speaker003:] Huh? [speaker002:] At last mine is also the presentation. [speaker003:] Oh right, okay, you've got more, okay. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah, yeah. [speaker004:] Oh, you got a presentation, [speaker003:] Sorry uh. [speaker004:] sorry. [speaker001:] Oh ok [speaker003:] It didn't bother to tell me that on this [speaker002:] S [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] thing. Is it? Okay. [speaker002:] Uh [vocalsound] is the project evaluated, that is mine. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Doesn't tell me. [vocalsound] Oh you're doing that. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] We evaluated ourselves, we thought we were great. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Uh. [speaker004:] Mm, love to eat that now. [speaker001:] Anybody [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Kind of a green banana now. [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker001:] Clay covered banana. [speaker004:] It's [disfmarker] this as well, sorry, we forgot to mention it'll be made out of kind of a rubbery latex, new material that we've got. [speaker003:] O okay, [speaker004:] [vocalsound] I've got. [speaker003:] hold on. [speaker001:] [gap] blue. [speaker004:] [gap] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] I wonder w which cell do I want. [gap] [speaker001:] It's fun to touch. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] So. Yeah. [speaker003:] Okay, I didn't realise you had that bit. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] So. [speaker004:] Oh could you pass the tomato please. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Sorry. Thank you. [speaker002:] So now is the final evaluation, final evaluation of the uh uh of our product. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] How we are going to [disfmarker] [vocalsound] means uh at what standard what standard [disfmarker] whether it meets our standards or not. How mu What rating we will give to these products. So of course this is [disfmarker] will be a team work, w we together have to decide wha what rating we will give to this product and everything. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker002:] So what methodology I will tell you on what basis we are going to discuss all this. We will give the rating to this product based on the user requirements, whether it meets the user requirements or not, this product. Then trends, whether it is as [gap] fashion trends or not? Means [vocalsound] because we have already stated that people do prefer fashionable things nowadays. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] So this is also an important factor for our evaluation also. Then marketing strategy of the company. As we have already discussed that our company is quite [gap] in the market, not only in terms of providing quality products, not only in pro providing latest technologies, but also in terms of providing environmental s [speaker004:] Sorry [gap]. Sorry, carry on. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yeah. So [vocalsound] but also in terms of providing environmental safe products, uh yeah like uh keeping uh keeping in mind all the safety issues. So [disfmarker] Now comes the criteria rating with seven point scale. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker002:] I'm having this scale this scale, [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] so we have to do it on a board. [speaker003:] [gap] [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker003:] Alright, okay. [speaker002:] [gap] the user requirem I think. [speaker003:] The board working again, is it? [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Do we have the uh the marker for the board? [speaker002:] [gap] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Uh. [speaker004:] Um. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Thank you. [speaker001:] There it is. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [gap] [speaker002:] So. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] So these are the three crite criterias for our evaluation of our product. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] First of all uh comes user requirement. So we will see whether this product meets all user requirements or not. I I will [disfmarker] first I would like to have your views, what do you think whether it meets all user requirements or not? [speaker004:] Um [vocalsound] I think [disfmarker] Yeah, it did. It had all the basic buttons that they needed as well as the uh new technology that people said they wanted. [speaker002:] S [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Um so. [speaker003:] When the user requirement is essentially just to operate the TV, [speaker004:] Does it work? [speaker003:] so yeah, [speaker004:] Yeah. So. [speaker003:] of course we haven't actually got a working model yet. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] So what do you think you will personally give. [speaker004:] I would say seven. [speaker002:] Seven. Uh. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Seven is good, yeah, isn't it? I can't [disfmarker] True or false? No sorry tr one is true. [speaker003:] One, yeah. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Uh one is [disfmarker] means highest ranking, [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] okay. But I think highest ranking is seven, [speaker003:] No it's it's like true is one end, and false is the oth [speaker002:] or one? [speaker001:] No that's false. [speaker002:] Okay, right right. [speaker004:] Okay, so one. [speaker002:] So it's one for from your point of view. [speaker004:] Yep. [speaker002:] And what do you say our Industrial Expert? [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Uh. It's hard to know. I I give it a two. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Uh d you can you can tell on on the like [disfmarker] I think she has given her views on the basis of design, because she was our i Interface Expert. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] But you can give your views based on technology, whether the technology meets the requirements of the customers or not? [speaker001:] Um yeah, I think i it might even exceed it um. But I guess there is a kind of a shortage of buttons. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Um [gap] I'm gonna give it a two. [speaker002:] Two. [speaker001:] Two. [speaker002:] And what about uh you, Brian? [speaker003:] Oh, I'll go for a one. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] You will go for one. [speaker003:] Basic requirements but of the pro of the project. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Okay. Uh for me personally it is everything fine, it may be having good design, it may be uh meeting all the requirements of the customers like technology-wise, price-wise, but there is one thing which limits the customers, like we are having only two, three designs, like we are having one banana design and the other one is orange, [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yeah th [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Mm [vocalsound] [speaker002:] and [speaker004:] yellow. [speaker002:] [disfmarker] Uh yeah, lower end. And the third one is what you ge uh that is not a f fruit look. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Uh-huh. [speaker002:] But if a person doesn't like banana, or orange, you are limiting him. [speaker003:] Come on that was the tha [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] 'Kay. [speaker004:] Uh-huh. [speaker002:] No, don't buy our product, because we are l we like this only. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker002:] So we are showing our preference for particular fruits, [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Being fruitist. [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] two or three kinds rather, and [disfmarker] Yeah. [speaker004:] Is that no is that not trends? [speaker002:] [vocalsound] So. Uh no, uh personally as a Marketing Expert I don't believe that, [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] because whatever companies [disfmarker] they launch their products in the shape of fruits, they give a range of products, a range of shapes, like if we see, look at the smallest thing, toffee chocolates, they give a variety of different things. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Some children like to buy banana shape, some apple shape, some even pineapple shape, some orange shape. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] So you can [gap] [disfmarker] what shape a person will like. So in this case giving only one or two choices we are lim limiting our customers. And by limiting them, we are limiting our sales, limiting our profit also. [speaker004:] Uh-huh. But in electronics, I think, it's not q always quite so um [disfmarker] you don't always have so many choices as with chocolates. I think, you know, if you're going to buy a TV maybe a company'll have [disfmarker] That you're going to choose from, a company'll have two or three choices, but they're different designs. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] We were coming up with one product. [speaker002:] Uh maybe. Okay but I will I will personally [disfmarker] won't give it [gap] beyond three. [speaker004:] No, I mean uh [vocalsound] obviously your opinion, [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] I'm just trying to [disfmarker] Okay. [speaker002:] So we can [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] He's a tough cookie. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yeah, on an average we can think three, four sevenths, maybe. Three or four? [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Uh, no sorry, [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] it should be [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Six. Five or six. [speaker004:] What are we doing? [speaker002:] No [speaker001:] What are we doing? [speaker002:] sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, [speaker004:] Adding them up? [speaker002:] we are doing a very wrong thing. [speaker001:] We're gonna average them? [speaker002:] Yeah, yeah, we are taking everything, [speaker001:] Okay. So seven fourths. [speaker002:] and that's [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Oh. [speaker002:] I have taken it very wrongly. Yeah uh [speaker001:] About one point f one point eight. [speaker002:] three four four two six seven seven sev Yeah one pe exactly. So we can say one or two. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker002:] [gap] because it is one point eight uh [gap] two, so we will do two. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Oh I see. [speaker001:] Yeah round it up to two. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Okay, yeah. [speaker002:] So where were the trends. [speaker001:] So trends. Can you explain what you want us to write there? [speaker002:] Sorry? [speaker001:] How it [disfmarker] how conforms to the current trends? [speaker002:] Yeah, again the the fashion trends, this also like whether it it will be fashionable to have these products in the [vocalsound] uh as a fruit shape or something. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker002:] Uh. [speaker004:] Well um going on uh the specifications that we had, that fruit and vegetables are quite popular, and that people like something that is good to look at and not many buttons, I would give it um, well, because it's hard to make a fruit good to look at, that that looks cool, you know, [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] so I would actually give it a three. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Tha three or four, I'm not sure. Three. Go for three. [speaker002:] Okay. Yeah. [speaker004:] That's fine. [speaker002:] Uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] 'Kay. As far as the uh technology it its' got the latest trends in speech technology, but it's missing the screen, as we said, um but it does have the push-buttons, or the scroll-buttons, um but it doesn't have that fancy solar power or the the vibrating energy mechanism. So I give it a a four. I'd give it a kinda middle of the road for [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker001:] for technology. [speaker003:] Yeah, I am sort of pret uh [disfmarker] [vocalsound] Just the fruit does me in, I mean uh it might [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] it might be trendy to some, but I'm just not swallowing the fruit, so um [vocalsound] [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Uh also uh I would have liked to have seen the LCD screen in it. Um so yeah I'd say about four as well. [speaker002:] Okay. Uh personally I wi uh I think that in terms of trends, these products are quite good, like, these products are in fruit shape, because that wha people now [disfmarker] our fashion trend shows that people like everything [disfmarker] all f everything that is being advertised, like clothes, shoes, and everything is being advertised in the form of fruits and vegetables, or getting them [gap] or showing some association with them. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] So and in this way our product is good. And the second thing, now people don't want any complicated or bulky products and ours is quite simple and quite handy. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] So that is also ef that also [disfmarker] Our product meets the f the fashion uh trends of the market. And yes. It is cus spongy also. So they can play with it, it's quite good. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] So then I think, maybe I can give it two. So four five ten thirteen thirteen [gap]. So we can [disfmarker] Is it fine? So what about company strategy? [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] [gap] [speaker001:] Well it was yellow. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Um. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah, the company strategy, okay. Um [vocalsound] there was lot of discussing, that was good. Um I feel I got my say. Um so I'd give the company strategy a [vocalsound] two. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] Well, I think it's the the remote control conforms to the the company strategy. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker003:] Yeah, [speaker001:] Is that the question? [speaker003:] yeah. [speaker004:] Is it? Okay. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Um. [speaker004:] Okay, so [vocalsound] one or two. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] One. Okay, just leave it, it's fine. [speaker001:] I'll go with two. [speaker002:] So what about you, Brian? [speaker003:] Um yeah, a three. Pretty much kept to the company strategy, so I would go for a [disfmarker] a one, as we not only kept it, but we were limited by [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker002:] Yeah, and me also, like, this product me uh me uh me uh this meets all company strategy like our product should be as per customers' requirement, as per latest technology, and it should be environmental safe. So since our product meets all these requirements, so I would also prefer to give it rank one. So four six six [speaker001:] [vocalsound] So one and a half. [speaker004:] Yeah, one. [speaker002:] half. So we can say two or one [gap] [disfmarker] [speaker001:] A two. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] [gap] [speaker002:] So th seven seven. Uh overall we are getting two [gap] something, but we can round it as two. [speaker001:] Yep. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker003:] Cool, groovy. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yeah. So I think overall uh evaluation of our product is quite good. [speaker001:] S [speaker003:] Cool. [speaker002:] So we can launch it. Yeah. [speaker003:] Brilliant. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Woo-hoo. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] In which case we are done. 'Cause we've evaluated and we are within budget. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker004:] Cool. [speaker002:] So [speaker003:] Champagne lunch anyone? [vocalsound] [speaker002:] yeah. [vocalsound] Great. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Uh.

[speaker001:] So we come to the third meetings. I have [gap] good. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Um so in the last meeting we have discussed the functional design and now we will talk about the conceptual design. So we will talk about some specific details. [speaker003:] Okay so I think I will do my presentation on the components concept so can you please uh open uh [disfmarker] I'm participant two. Components design. [speaker001:] This [disfmarker] [gap] [speaker003:] Okay so uh the first thing uh I have done is to to made a review together with the uh manufactural uh department and have which components was uh available to build a remote control. So for energy sources we have we have to choose between the solar energy, hand dynamo and uh kinetic um well uh kinetic uh technique [vocalsound] to to store the energy. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] We also um [vocalsound] we also can put a regular battery in the in the remote control. [speaker001:] Uh this is what we have decided in the last meeting. [speaker003:] Now [disfmarker] [speaker001:] But if we use battery [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah b uh f well uh I meant uh by by battery I meant uh I will not have a uh a wire between the remote control and the energy source but uh I didn't fou we didn't decide yet which kind of battery we will put inside the the remote. So uh it's a point to discuss. Then uh the case material we have uh uh also several choices, like wood, rubber, titanium or latex. [vocalsound] But uh well it's not a a re uh well a real issue for the [vocalsound] [disfmarker] from the technical uh point of view. Concerning the interface uh we can we can put mm just simple buttons or scrolls or buttons uh much more complicated, but it also requires that the chip to process the button is more complicated so. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] And uh this is the last point, the choice of chips. So what I have f found is that I think basic battery or kinetic uh energy uh collection is the is the better way to provide energy because I think solar energy wi won't work [vocalsound] in a cluttered uh [vocalsound] uh environment. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker003:] So um so I think we can start with these two main things. For the case uh well uh I think that uh titanium is um is a good choice because it's trendy and it's uh it's uh well it's modern and uh user are are are [disfmarker] mm will be uh very happy to have a [vocalsound] a a nice remote. For the interface uh I think that we can ach achieve uh all the desired functionalities by s just uh using uh rubber buttons, simple buttons and th thus this allow to use a regular chip [vocalsound] that are uh well cheaper. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker003:] And s so uh we can move to the next slide. [speaker002:] Sorry. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] What is this single curved [disfmarker] what does it mean? [speaker003:] Well uh uh i i it's uh it's the the shape of the um of the remote. [speaker002:] So it's it's not [disfmarker] [speaker003:] You you will have the [disfmarker] well um the the curve will fit into your hand when you grab the [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yo l yeah. When you hold on it, it is comfortable to hold. [speaker003:] Yeah. It's more confog f comfortable that if these uh it's completely flat. [speaker002:] Okay. Yeah. And the battery, is it kind of a rechargeable or it doesn't matter? [speaker003:] Yeah the um that's the point. The kinetic one is uh y you can recharge uh by the um [disfmarker] [speaker002:] That that's what it means by kinetic. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yeah and by [disfmarker] well by just by moving the ar uh your arm the mm well the remote will uh accumulate energy. [speaker002:] Okay. Mm-hmm. Okay. [speaker003:] But I d I don't know it's [disfmarker] if it is feasible because I don't know if yet if if the user will move enough to provide the remote um all the necessary energy. [speaker002:] Mm. [vocalsound] Mm. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. We we might check with our R and D department to see if they have this product [vocalsound] ready for market. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah. [vocalsound] And [disfmarker] yeah and so can you go to the next slide please. So and uh that's uh that summarize well what I have said. [speaker002:] Mm mm. [vocalsound] [vocalsound] Wha [speaker003:] So uh you're right we can uh see in our uh R and D uh [vocalsound] if the kinetic metal is sufficient to provide enough energy. [speaker002:] Ah the department. Mm. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] That's it. [speaker002:] Uh [disfmarker] So I um keep in touch with the R and D department. [speaker003:] Oh yeah I take care, [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] it's all right. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] So the titanium case is the normal case that [disfmarker] I'll show you some pictures that I have and you tell me whether they are titanium case or not. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] All right. Yeah. [speaker002:] 'Cause I am not very sure, plastic, titanium or whatever. There's another point I want to make, is that the uh [disfmarker] well you've seen them I le na my presentation that um I point out some [disfmarker] why buttons are not the mm not the only ways you can [vocalsound] use [disfmarker] Yeah. Yeah, [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] maybe n [speaker001:] We will, okay. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Three. [speaker002:] Yeah. [vocalsound] So the user interface is uh i it uses the aspect uh of a computer system, a programme which can be seen or heard or otherwise perceived by the human user [speaker001:] [gap] [speaker002:] and the commands and mechanism the user uses to control its operation and input data. So you s this gives you the ways to input data and we have uh [disfmarker] we are more [disfmarker] we emphasise more on the graphical user interface here. The idea is to represent buttons as figures, diagrams, symbols and on so you you can easily when you look at the symbols you understand what it is doing. [speaker001:] What's the function of this button. [speaker002:] Yeah. Yeah. So. [speaker001:] I think it makes the the interface really [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Ea easy to use. So next one. [speaker001:] Graphical user interface [gap]. [speaker002:] [gap] function five. So I can use the button, the mouse maybe. [speaker001:] A graphical user interface emphasise the use of pictures. [speaker002:] Yeah. So next line. So the [disfmarker] here are some examples. So they cluster the buttons together. They group them into col they colour them and uh they have different forms as well. Mm but this interface are kind of confusing. Uh basically there are too many buttons. Right. Next one. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] So some people are propose voice recognition and so [disfmarker] ah by the way I receive an email from the from one our departments saying that the voice recognition has been used in the coffee machine [vocalsound] for this by a company [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] when you tell the [disfmarker] you say good morning coffee machine and the machine are reply to you. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm mm mm. [speaker002:] So I just got an email saying that. And it seems like this voice recognition technology is ready to be used so we might consider that, supposedly. [speaker003:] Yeah fine. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] The next one. Mm so somebody [disfmarker] some people use uh some people use a spinning wheel th with the LC display so instead of using the mm buttons you have a LCD screen and then there you can u you can use that as buttons, you can use that as real [disfmarker] so so that could be an option as well. Touch screen, I mean. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Next one. And some people propose a scroll button. Integrated with push buttons or you may have scroll button instead of p just the push button. Like the one we have here. Uh, next one. So mm [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] so there are a few aspects that I collected here. So s basically this deals with special users, children, handicapped people, old people, and uh mm and prog basically they are programmable, specially for children. And uh mm [disfmarker] yeah yeah. And then they also secure uh covers, to protect uh secure and hidden programming and battery covers that will protect your settings. So [disfmarker] But we don't have to integrate all these complicated features. I'm just saying that the [disfmarker] currently in the market there are there are control there are remote controllers f [gap] customisable for different people. Yeah, so that's the point. The next one. And uh you see this is the one where you have the protection cover. Mm maybe useful for children, they migh you you they only see the buttons outside. And for adults wh where you have more control you can see the one inside. So the adults might wanna have a key to lock that to pr so children will not touch the button inside. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] S a good idea. [speaker002:] The next one. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] So this guy [disfmarker] this is another company that provides big buttons. At [disfmarker] I see that that is useful for old people and then you don't get it lost. But for our product we don't need a big one because you have voice recognition e eventually with use. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] And you can call your remote controller if you don't know where it is. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] TV remote controller where are you? [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] And then, he will beeps and to say that I am here, [vocalsound] for example. [speaker001:] [gap] We should include speech synthesis in this case, no? [speaker002:] Is it possible? [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Uh? [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] but uh as Norman say if uh there is uh already a commercial product available who t who do this we we can check uh to integrate it i into our uh new remote control. [speaker002:] Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And uh, this is another one where you can uh [disfmarker] the the the part that's a V standing for the volume. So there's a up arrow and a down arrow. But you the see that in the V, the V appears to be the down arrow on the top [disfmarker] on the top up arrow [disfmarker] [vocalsound] if you [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] up arrow there's a V like as as if it's turning down so it's confusing interface, so I wanna avoid this kind of thing in the design. [speaker003:] Yeah yeah. [speaker002:] And here are [disfmarker] is uh here is a s short summary that I summary that I compiled after the findings I found. Big buttons are convenient, voice recognition helps, push buttons, scroll buttons, spinning wheels can be used as navigation tools. And uh user customisable is important and finally simplicity simplicity is the key. Yeah. So [vocalsound] we have many concepts there [speaker003:] Hmm. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] but we have to choose later on which ones are important to be used. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] And basically uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Well I [vocalsound] I think you it's it's it's fine you have uh reviewed all all the possibilities [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] but uh uh well uh i if we consider that uh the user interface is displayed on the TV screen I don't think we nee uh we need much buttons in the remote [speaker001:] [gap] [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] since we we just have to navigate and to have a okay or enter key or things like that, [speaker002:] Yeah. Mm. [speaker003:] because uh adding wheels or scrolls uh makes the thing more complicated and more expensive also, so. [speaker002:] Mm. Okay. [speaker001:] Or maybe we can include the user manual in the in the remote control [gap] and we should have just a button like help and you say uh and you ik you press the button help and maybe you see the the user m might in the in the TV. [speaker003:] Yeah. That's a good idea. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] To have a help button. [speaker002:] A help button. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] So you are display on the screen. [speaker003:] On the TV screen. [speaker001:] On TV TV screen. [speaker002:] So [disfmarker] on the TV screen. [speaker003:] On the TV screen the uh how to use your remote. [speaker001:] So just you push the button [speaker002:] Okay. Okay. Okay. [speaker001:] and we will [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Oh. [speaker002:] So that eliminates all the complicated documentation [gap], [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] okay. So wi [speaker004:] But people are often enough looking at the help, once they see the help button they say oh this is a complicated stuff. [speaker001:] If the if [disfmarker] [vocalsound] No [vocalsound] In the case where they need help, in the case where they need help. [speaker003:] Uh yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] It's a psychology. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] In a marketing point of view. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Okay. And let us see what the market demands. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] We could just go to my presentation. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] But [disfmarker] uh wel well I think [disfmarker] [speaker001:] It's just for user customizable, for kids or old people. [speaker004:] Yeah that's right. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker004:] I mean it just showed us the remote with an cap which could be used for kids [speaker001:] So [disfmarker] [speaker004:] and if you remove the [disfmarker] [speaker001:] So it's the same [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Same remote with some [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Can be used by both kids and old people. [speaker004:] Both yeah. [speaker002:] Mm. [vocalsound] Well uh what I s propose is that uh you know a remote controller, i [vocalsound] it could be a cube, [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] is uh a small device that uh looks like a cube and maybe you can just change the [vocalsound] um the buttons, if you ch turn one side you get one one buttons, you turn the other side you get the other buttons, so for maybe new generation people who get used to the computer they want lots of controls. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Maybe for kids, kids they like uh t no l they like to [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Small [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Uh well. So le le let's see what uh what [vocalsound] people want. [speaker002:] Yeah. Let's see the market demand. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] And then we can decide what what we can [disfmarker] yeah. [speaker002:] What what [gap] market [disfmarker] yes yes. [speaker001:] [gap] [speaker004:] So we just made an marketing survey of what people need from our remotes and how it could be special from the other remotes. And we got the best on the responses from the questionnaires. Uh we also have some prizes for the most creative solutions. And we found the following solutions which we could [disfmarker] which would be helpful for our design. So seventy percent of the users, they find their remote controls very ugly, they don't find it pleasant to use in the size or usage or anything. And eighty percent of the people they are always l I mean they are willing to spend more money if the remote control would look fancy. And the current remote controls do not match well the operating behaviour of the user. And seventy five percent of the users said they zap a lot. And fifty percent say they use only ten percent of the buttons, [speaker001:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] so the rest of the ninety percent of the buttons they're not used most of the times. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Yeah. Yes. [speaker004:] So this were the findings which we found. And also they cited frustrations with the present remote controls. Most of [disfmarker] fifty percent of the time the remote controls are lost somewhere in the room and people are always searching for them [vocalsound] rather than watching the TV. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] And by the time they found the remote control the program is finished. So [vocalsound] they're frustrated a lot [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] And um if the remote control is too complicated it takes much time to learn the functionality of it. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker003:] Mm, the functionalities yeah. [speaker004:] So you can just see the percentage, fifty percent people they responded that they always lose their remotes and thirty four percent they say that it's quite difficult to learn if it's too complex. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker004:] So keeping in view all these findings and the frustrations I think this should be the solution for them. We should have an LCD on the rem remote control. [speaker002:] Oh. [speaker003:] Well mm w well I I I don't really see the advantage of having uh LCD on the on the remote control if we have a a a big screen and uh display on the screen. [speaker002:] Big screen. [speaker003:] It's [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Mm-hmm? [speaker003:] yeah of course it's fancy trendy and so on but it's it's expensive to produce [vocalsound] and it's not really [disfmarker] [speaker004:] I mean as our survey says that people are willing to pay more if their remotes are fancy. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] So if we have a LCD on the remote, rather than looking onto the TV you just look into a remote and navigate it. It's the same menu as we have saw that iPod remote control. [speaker002:] Mm yeah. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yeah yeah. [speaker002:] Mm. The thing [vocalsound] [disfmarker] [speaker004:] We just [vocalsound] play around [speaker003:] Yeah but when you play with the iPod you don't have [vocalsound] a big screen in front of you, s [speaker002:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] You can use this screen instead of the big se screen, [speaker002:] Yeah. If you re-use the existing screen, we element [disfmarker] eliminate the LCD, [speaker001:] instead of use the [disfmarker] yeah. [speaker002:] after all the LCD just to display [speaker001:] Hmm. [speaker002:] and if you have the colourful screen you can make the display colourful, fancy, [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] as fancy as the one on the LCD, [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] maybe even better. So [disfmarker] [speaker004:] I mean this were the points which we got from the market demands. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. Yeah yeah. [speaker004:] So [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] So I th I I [vocalsound] well I think we we can focus on the uh on the fancy look on the uh [speaker002:] Yeah. More on a fancy design. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah that's fine. Yeah. [speaker003:] on the speech recognition if the technology is available [speaker004:] I mean that's [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker003:] but well I think LCD will uh will uh make us spend a lot of money for not so big results. [speaker002:] Mm. Remember we have a s budget for the cost of producing the remote controller. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] But [disfmarker] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. So i is [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Uh yeah we have uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [gap] [speaker002:] so the thing is you can find out how much an LCD will cost and then we'll decide again. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] I mean that should be found out by the Industrial Designers. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Uh maybe you can find out the price and tell us next time [gap]. [speaker003:] So price of uh LCD display. [speaker002:] Is i if i Yeah. [speaker004:] And it's always good to have an voice recognition for the remote controls. [speaker003:] And [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah. And also the cost for the speech recognition. [speaker001:] Mm. It's for [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Ask our R and D department. [speaker001:] it's just for small vocabulary. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah it's o only for a limited vocabulary, [speaker001:] We [disfmarker] it's not [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] yeah. [speaker004:] say eighty commands or so. [speaker002:] And ho [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah okay. [speaker002:] And also the scroller button, how much will it cost. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] And [disfmarker] Well uh compared to the to s the simpl simpler simplest button. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yeah. Push push [gap]. [speaker004:] Mm, the scroll button, [gap] from the survey we never see that people would like to have some scrolling button. [speaker003:] Yeah. Yeah I think that [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Because they they just they're just frightened to use the scrollings or [vocalsound] help button. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah I I I think that uh well uh as we have seen in the in the presentation uh well uh about uh uh fifty percent of the of the percent n choose the button [speaker002:] Don't use the buttons. [speaker003:] so uh I think to have uh five uh simple button is sufficient for our functionality. [speaker002:] Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] It doesn't mean that the other buttons are not necessary or important. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Important. [speaker003:] Yeah. But [disfmarker] [speaker001:] But they are just less used compar [speaker004:] They're not used much. [speaker001:] yeah. [speaker003:] But the uh the thing is is i is that we can add a functionality on the on the TV screen like uh a a list of function [speaker002:] Yeah. Yeah. Mm. [speaker003:] and then you choose with the with the button to [disfmarker] well you navigate [speaker002:] Yeah, yeah. [speaker003:] and you [disfmarker] [speaker002:] So so the at most [disfmarker] more power uh. [speaker001:] Or maybe we can u uh or maybe we can uh make this the ten percent of button more bigger than the others. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] So. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] But if i i if we if we could have a a a display uh g a user interface that is very complete on the TV screen [vocalsound] I think that just five buttons are sufficient, [speaker002:] Yep. [speaker003:] one to go up left right down and uh enter [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] and you you you just select the functionality you want to access or things like that. [speaker002:] Mm. Mm. Yeah. [speaker003:] You don't have to to switch to a channel to another uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker004:] Or it could be like this, as the people say, if they have a LCD on the remote not on the television. Because when you have the LCD onto the television screen you miss the picture in the background, we are most focused on the commands. So if you have then LCD in the remote, you just have a menu, [speaker003:] Yeah but [disfmarker] [speaker004:] and increasing and lower these signs here to change the programs and this menu when you press the menu, in the LCD displays as you go on pressing the menu it faster displays volume, then the program, then the brightness, contrast and all the stuff. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [gap] Yeah but if you look at the LCD you you don't look at the TV screen [speaker004:] And accordingly you can just increase or decrease. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] It's [disfmarker] [speaker003:] so [vocalsound] i i it's not really worth to get [disfmarker] to have the image if you don't look at, so. [speaker002:] Mm. I if [disfmarker] Mm. Mm. Yeah. [speaker001:] And I think it's increases the cost of the the remote control if you use LCD. I [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah that has to be checked out. [speaker002:] I think that there's no contradiction here, because if there are few buttons, you don't have to look at your your controller any more because you know where the buttons are, [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] so if you wanna control the screen d sh sharpness you just say sharpness and then you t turn [disfmarker] you just press lef increase or decrease button [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] and the same for the volume and the channel, [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] if you had the speech recognition there you just shout your channel, just tell your channel and then you don't even have to look at the butto at the controller so finally that wil eliminates the the need for LCD, [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker002:] with the help of speech recogniser you can [disfmarker] [speaker004:] I mean, [gap] better if we could just check all the cost with LCD [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] and also with the speech recognition. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] And then we could find which would would be a more suitable in this case. [speaker002:] Mm. Mm. [vocalsound] Yeah. A and [disfmarker] [speaker004:] And the third problem was to find the remote control. Always, so fifty percent of the people say they lose the remotes. [speaker003:] Well so we we can think about a well a a vocal command like uh find [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker003:] and [vocalsound] when the remote control uh hears fine well yeah just uh to make him beep or t [speaker002:] Where [gap], [speaker001:] You will listen to a peep, [vocalsound] special peep. [speaker002:] yeah. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah that's right, that's exactly what I mean by voice commander. Or it could be also something like this, [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] uh it's always boring to change the batteries of the remotes control, [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] so we have some one charger there and whenever we don't use the remote control we put it in the charger. [speaker002:] Put it back at the charge. [speaker003:] Put [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] And when we're using that t remote and if we misplace somewhere, in the charger we have a small button, and just by pressing the button in the charger the uh remote control beeps, wherever it is. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] And that's a good idea, that's simple, like in phones. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker004:] I mean it doe it also doesn't require a voice command, because there are problems with a voice command. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] But you don't you don't have to move the the charger. [speaker002:] Hmm. Mm. [vocalsound] Th yeah. Mm yeah. Yeah. Mm. [speaker004:] Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean charger would be fixed [speaker001:] You have to keep it [gap]. [speaker004:] because it's always with electricity plugged. [speaker003:] Yeah. Yeah if there if there uh there is nuff not enough battery. Also and uh uh the remote is lost. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] Mm. There's [disfmarker] mm. Mm. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah that's right. [speaker002:] That [disfmarker] we can [disfmarker] what we can do is we can program a function whereby when you press the switch off TV button, the off button, the remote there be s uh instruction on the screen, please charge charge me. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] You never get it lost because uh every time you're off the computer [vocalsound] [disfmarker] the TV you are asked the the command the TV com remote controller would tell you to put it back to where [disfmarker] to the charger. [speaker004:] It's an good reminder, yeah that's right. [speaker002:] Yeah. So you will never get lost [gap] [disfmarker] yeah. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker001:] Maybe for some people [gap] [vocalsound] lazy people. [speaker002:] Yeah. Yeah because everything is programmed inside. [speaker001:] Yeah yeah. [speaker002:] So it's it's uh it's all about strategy, y [speaker004:] And of course the final point is a fancy look. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker004:] As we have seen earlier the remotes which were displayed by Norman they weren't fancy, [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker003:] They were ugly. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah, yeah. [speaker004:] I mean mm very big or something with lot of buttons. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] They [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker004:] I think we should have something [disfmarker] it [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Well the last one with the um [vocalsound] yeah with the two parts was uh [gap] original, so [disfmarker] [speaker002:] With uh two two two parts controller. [speaker004:] I mean [gap] uh I mean uh I mean uh you see if it's like that even a kid who wants to have a control he could just plug it and [vocalsound] use it, you can't avoid him. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker004:] But you can have an button for child lock. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker004:] So just by pressing the button with some code, you t you put a lock onto the remote, so that he can't use even [gap] [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Mm. Mm. Mm. [speaker003:] Well we can think about uh having uh on the on the on the user interface when you switch on the TV you can uh well write a code or choose a category, if it is kids, uh things like that. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker004:] Mm uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] Or [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Mm. Yeah. Mm. [speaker004:] That's right. [speaker001:] Or maybe you have to to show some specific programmes for kids and then just just [disfmarker] yeah just push uh kids button so it's automatically [speaker002:] Mm. [gap] these are probl yeah. Mm. Mm. Mm. [speaker001:] [gap]. So if he [gap]. [speaker004:] I think these other four points they're the market demands and so it's for the user interface design and industrial design to just think [disfmarker] [speaker003:] So for mm [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] yeah. So for my part I will check the prices the um the prices difference uh of what to use, where to use, and s uh and so on. [speaker004:] Yeah I think it should be clearer for us in the next meeting that th uh these [gap] could be included. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Mm. [vocalsound] I think we need to define also a s the set of vocabularies for the speech recogniser [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] because uh if you want [gap] uh say we can sort by channels or sort by TV programs, you have to decide a category of vocabularies for them. If numbers, they're easy, [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] but if [gap] name the channel by by name [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Well I think we can we can have just numbers for channels and you can say to your remote control like uh sports and then on the TV you have a list with with uh uh well with sports program playing now [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker003:] and and uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] No, we have a problem there. You see uh if you have a voice commands and you are s you are watching a score on uh [disfmarker] basketball score or something, and if the score comes twenty four thirty five, you've just say twenty five and suddenly [vocalsound] the screen the channel goes to twenty five. [speaker001:] Yeah it's [disfmarker] yeah. [speaker004:] So I think there should be a prefix to some numbers [disfmarker] [speaker003:] That's right, yeah, yeah. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker003:] Well but well e every possible word uh has a probability to come about of the TV so. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] I mean the the [disfmarker] you just check all the probability that saying TV twenty five and just ordinary twenty five. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker003:] Yeah yeah. [speaker004:] Ordinary twenty five you almost there's a probability of being said around sixty seventy percent [speaker003:] Yeah but well [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker003:] okay. [speaker004:] and TV twenty five I dunno it will be round about one or two percent. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker004:] So it's better to have some prefix [gap] before the number. [speaker002:] But I I I think that the user would like wou would like to associate the channel or call the channel rather than than the numbers. [speaker004:] Yeah something, some code. [speaker002:] You say numbe channel number five of the TV correspond to something else in the channel. [speaker003:] Yeah yeah. [speaker002:] So some people may want to say, I want to see this channel. [speaker003:] Mm mm. Well I [disfmarker] [speaker004:] That will be too big. And it will be difficult for the vocabulary also. [speaker001:] Or just [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah. Check with the v R and D department the capability of recogniser. [speaker001:] It's difficult to to just say the the name of the channel. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Uh? [speaker001:] It will be difficult to say just the name of the channel. Because you have to s t uh a ch [speaker002:] Well, it's convenient for the user. [speaker001:] yeah but you have to to have all the name of the channel in your vocabulary. [speaker004:] Als might be you just forgot the channel name, you kno only know the number. [speaker001:] Or maybe [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Then [disfmarker] [speaker002:] The [disfmarker] uh uh mm. [speaker001:] Or maybe the user can create his own vocabulary, [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Mm. [speaker001:] just pronouncing the the name of channels and include in the vocabulary. [speaker002:] I I think that I have [disfmarker] mm mm [vocalsound] I think there's another way you can do is that uh you can uh [vocalsound] if [disfmarker] when the user ch press a button to choose the channel for example, then what you can do is that the [disfmarker] you can make the TV screen to split them into small little little squares of images where you you you have a snapshot of every channel, so let's say it's a four by four matrix of the images, so now what you do is f looking at the all the sixteen channels available at one time, you just use the control button uh, you just you you just choose the the option you want [speaker004:] Yeah, the [gap]. [speaker002:] and then you just hit the button and then you go to that channel. So [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Or lets the user create his own vocabulary of channel. [speaker002:] Mm. So you you don't use the speech recogniser in that way. [speaker001:] No. Just you have uh in the beginning you have uh t you have to train [disfmarker] you have to create the vocabulary by yourself. [speaker002:] Oh, okay. Yeah. [speaker003:] Well I uh I also [disfmarker] [speaker001:] By associating each channel with the name or [disfmarker] [speaker003:] I I also think about uh another problem, if if there is uh more than one person who is watching TV [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah yeah, [speaker003:] the s well the the speech uh r recogniser should be able to distinguish between the two. [speaker001:] And for each one has his own. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [gap]. [speaker003:] Because uh I remember when I was a [vocalsound] young child with my sister we [disfmarker] yeah we always want to w to watch different emission at the at the same time [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] Or you have to s [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yeah, I wanna watch this, I wanna watch that. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] so it's a pr it could be a problem if uh if well if someone passes by when you are watching TV and say oh TV thirty [vocalsound] and just run, s [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker004:] A and in the same lines we would have a [disfmarker] one more problem. If we are using the television in the different environments, say in the factories or in the shops where there is a lot of noise and this voice commands if they fail to work, that would bring a bad name [disfmarker] bad uh reputation for our company. [speaker003:] Yeah, yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker004:] So I think we should specify some pre-requirements if we want to use a voice commands, [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker004:] say that it should be used in an silent homely environment or s something. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker001:] Or we can switch on or switch off the the special [gap], yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah that's right that should be an option. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker003:] Yeah that's [disfmarker] well I think that's a good uh a good option because it's simple and uh simple to implement also, so. [speaker002:] Hmm. [speaker004:] I think these are the practical problems. So we need to take care of them in the design. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Maybe we'll discuss them in next meeting. It's time to close this meeting. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker002:] Well, you you stay a five minutes. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Oh it came there on three minutes back so we are [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yeah [gap]. [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker004:] [disfmarker] I think we can just press the okay. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Okay. So I see ya. [speaker001:] Thanks for your collaborations. [speaker004:] Okay. See you another thirty minutes.

[speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Okay. [vocalsound] Yeah. That's okay. That's okay. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] Am I starting now? Anytime? Oh sorry. 'Kay, um. Alright, welcome back fro to the second meeting. And um I hope you had a productive last thirty minutes. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Um, and um, I'll be taking minutes on this one, and um [disfmarker] Being hooked up to the PowerPoint for this meeting isn't very necessary for uh myself, because it'll be more about uh, what you guys are bringing to the meeting today. Um, so, the first presentation we'll be looking at is Poppy's presentation. And, um [disfmarker] So, sorry? So, um, take it away Poppy. [speaker002:] Okay. Um, do I need to [disfmarker] [gap] [speaker001:] It's, it's plugged in. So, um [disfmarker] [speaker002:] plugged in. [speaker003:] F eight, w. Function F eight. [speaker002:] F okay. Function F eight. Sorry about this guys. [speaker001:] No problem. [speaker003:] [gap] [speaker002:] 'Kay. [gap] is on. Right. [gap] Okay. I will take this time just to apologise. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] I, I only, uh, received my emails later on. 'Cause I was too busy carried away doing my own thing, [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] which is not obviously not a very good part of a team-working thing. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] But there we go. [speaker001:] I'm sure it's fine. [speaker002:] Um, so I was looking at how we're going to go about the working design, and what we actually need to do, and what the remote control needs to do. And it needs to um allow a person to have a portable desi device, so they can control the television from wherever they are. They don't need to actually manually touch the television set. So, it gives them much more flexibility, and allows them to be where they want to be. Um, from [disfmarker] Uh, on a functional side of things, we found out that wh from our previous meeting, we decided that there're certain points that will make our product unique. Um, one is the visibility in the dark, which was um Genevieve's idea. So we need to think about how we could bring this in um technically. And we could use illuminated buttons, which we are all familiar with when we're using a mobile phone, or um something fam familiar. A automatically, um lights up at first touch. Or we could use fluorescent materials which would just um take in the light during the day, and then as soon as they go off they would glow in the dark. Um, also we could use um an alarm. So if we lost the um remote control, perhaps there could be a button on the television set itself, which you could press, and then an alarm from the handset would sound where it was, hopefully in the room. Maybe behind a cushion or somewhere. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Um, so that would work. Um, oop. Go back there. Um, another thing I think we d missed out on on the last meeting was the fact that we should consider the environmental impact of our design. Um, from previous researches I've carried out on other projects, um we've learnt about smart materials where um um specific alloys of metals have a shape memory. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] So they can be heated and um and cooled, and they change the shape of um the metal. So, for example, a screw that's holding something together could expand and it would force all the components apart. So um, the benefits of this for our product would be that when it came to the end of its product life, if it was heated, um everything would spring apart. So, all the um individual components could be easily separated, and then some could be reused, some could be recycled, and I think that would be very important for products now. Especially 'cause there's much uh responsibility for all the um companies who are coming up with like new designs. 'Cause all, we all know that our resources are being limited, and we have to be very environmentally conscious. [speaker001:] Right, um, one question. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] This, um, self-destructible uh metal, it allows for recycling materials? [speaker002:] Um [disfmarker] [speaker001:] So that, um, someone could have this product for as long as they felt that they wanted it, and then once they contribute it, then that company can break down the part, the parts better? [speaker002:] And then [disfmarker] Yeah. Yeah they would, um you would make the, the product as you normally would, apart from the, the bits that hold it all together would be made out of this shape-memory alloy. And that's the part that would um allow all the other parts to be separated at the end. I mean, the user would return the p product to the company, 'cause it's the product's responsibility to get rid of what they've made. Um, and then the company could then just use, make use of this shape-memory alloys to split up the components, [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] and then either reuse some bits, and other bits which are obviously gonna wear out with time, or not usable, they might be like be able to put into scrap metal. Something like the case, if it's scratched or something, you would want to reuse it, but you might be able to melt it down and reuse it again somewhere else. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. Would we be the company that would break down these, or uh metals? Or would we contribute to another group? [speaker002:] You could [disfmarker] we could probably empl em employ a, a side company or something to do that for us. But it would be our responsibility to get that done and to dispose of the products that we made. For a certain percentage at least. [speaker001:] Alright. [speaker002:] Not every, not a hundred percent of everything we produce, [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] but [disfmarker] [speaker001:] This sounds like a really great idea. One thing we have to consider is our uh one hundred percent um turnover goal that we have for our financial sector. [speaker002:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker001:] Um, so we'll have to investigate how much that will cost us, cost the company, [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] um 'cause it sounds very labour-intensive. You would have to hire a number of people, and it might be more expensive. [speaker002:] Well I [disfmarker] the fact of the shape-memory alloys is that they, they don't need to be manually de um deconstructed. Like, you don't have to individually um unscrew all the screws. Because of this, their properties are smart material. All you need is just the heat, so they self-destruct themselves. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. Alright. [speaker002:] So I suppose it does need like high contact, yeah, you know high uh quality machinery, and very specific machinery, [speaker001:] We'll still have to investigate the financial implications. [speaker002:] but [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Alright. I like the environmental approach. Um, we'll have to see if that can meet our financial goals as well. [speaker002:] Yeah. Okay. Um also there is um components. This'll be how it uh will actually work. But I haven't put this plan together yet. [speaker001:] I'm sorry, [speaker002:] There we go [speaker001:] could you [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Sorry, should I go back. [speaker001:] Those were um [disfmarker] [speaker002:] This would actually show the circuit diagram. Although I haven't come up with the final circuit yet. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] So I just [gap] put all those components in. [speaker001:] So those are what, um, we'll c construct the remote. Those are all the [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah. I it just shows what sort of energy source. It could be a battery, like rechargeable probably. Um, an' yeah, well how the infrared will actually be sent through the chip to be received by the chip on the television set itself. [speaker001:] Alright. Great. [speaker002:] Okay? So, now is it F eight again to escape? Or escape? There we go. Okay. [speaker001:] Alright. Thank you very much. [speaker002:] Thank you. [speaker001:] And, um, the next presenter will be Tara. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] There you go Tara. [speaker003:] Thanks. Can you see? [speaker004:] Oh, [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Do you think [disfmarker] Is it uh, function eight yeah? [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Function F eight. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Function F eight. [speaker001:] Function F eight. Sorry. [speaker002:] The one at the top. [speaker003:] Oh right. Okay. [speaker004:] That looks right. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Okay. I'm the User [vocalsound] um User Interface Designer. Uh, the technical functions design of the apparatus is the effect the apparatus should have. Um, in this case it's the function of the remote control, which is to send messages to the television, television set. By taking inspiration from other similar designs, we'll try and come up with an original trendy remote control, which is sellable international. There're two functional design options. A multifunctional remote control, which can be used for several entertainment devices. And a single function remote control, used specifically for the television. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] I'm sorry, what was that last one. Multifunctional and [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Sorry. Um, a single function just for the television itself. [speaker004:] Ch Oh, I see. [speaker003:] Yeah. Um, multifunctional controls can be difficult to use, as the multitude of buttons can be confusing. A single function remote control is simpler to use, but it means you have to have other remote controls for your other entertainment devices. [speaker004:] 'Kay. [speaker003:] Um, I think that a single function remote control would be preferable, because it's easier to use. It'd be more compatible with a range of television sets, making it more internationally sellable. Um, it will make an original design more obtainable, as we have less functional necessities to include in the design. And it would be more profitable as it would be more simplistic. And less functions would have to be included. So it would be cheaper to make. And probably more sellable just because it's more compatible with a r a wider range of devices. Does anyone have any questions? [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] So as far as we know, um, a single function television remote control is us usable internationally? [speaker003:] Well, it's just that, when we're creating it, we're, we have to make it um compatible with different brands of devices. [speaker004:] [gap] Right. [speaker003:] And it would be easier to make it compatible with just different brands of television devices rather than other ent, [speaker004:] DVDs and VCR? [speaker003:] yeah, [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker001:] Right. [speaker003:] other entertainment devices. [speaker001:] Does everyone agree with this? Does anyone object and, and find the multifunctional might be a better way to go? [speaker002:] Um, [vocalsound] I was just wondering about the, what, what Genevieve said before, about having like some hidden controls like having the outer casing. And that would probably, um, I d, well well what you said before about it being a more profitable simplistic design. I suppose having that would complicate it a lot more. [speaker003:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] And limit the design [gap]. Do you think? [speaker004:] Yeah, I think I agree with the single design thing for now, because we're trying to do so much, that if we're trying to make a unique, user-friendly, dadada, and it's also multi also multifunctional, um, we're gonna go over budget for one thing. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] So [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. That's true. Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] And with this we'll have more room in the budget probably to make a more original design. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] We'll have more money to go into the design side of it. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Okay. Yeah. [speaker001:] Alright. Sounds great. [speaker004:] Mm, 'kay. [speaker001:] Alright, well, um, [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] are you ready for your presentation Genevieve? [speaker004:] Yes I am. [speaker001:] Fabulous. Except you're not hooked up to the [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Oh, I'm not hooked up, [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] but other than that, completely ready. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Great. [speaker004:] Okay. Okay. Oh. I just lost my microphone. [speaker001:] [gap] No problem, [speaker004:] Just a moment. [speaker001:] we can [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Okay. So I'll be discussing the functional requirements of this remote control. Um, and I'll give you a little briefing on what that means exactly. Um, if you all remember from the email we got before our very first uh kick-off meeting, with the coffee machine? The functional requirements of that was to produce hot coffee quickly. Um, so what I'll be talking about now is the equivalent for a remote control. Um, so basically what needs and desires are to be fulfilled. Um, I've done some marketing research, a lot of interviews with remote control users, um, and some internet research. And I'll show you my findings. Oh, and firstly I wanted to remind you about our company motto and purpose. So we believe in providing international market with fashionable products. Um, hence our motto, we put the fashion in electronics. So I think that should be our priority here. Um, and we should also be looking to trends in clothing and interior design. Not just in electronic fashion. So that it's something that fits in the household. [speaker001:] I'm sorry, what was that last thing that you just said? [speaker004:] Um, we should be looking towards trends in both clothing and interior design. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] Any trends that are going on in, in the public, even media, [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker004:] you know who's famous, what TV shows are being watched, [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] um, to influence our remote control. Okay, so the findings. Um, seventy five percent of users of remote controls find them ugly. Which is a, quite a significant number. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Um, the other twenty five percent didn't specify if they love them or found them, you know, neutral. Eighty percent of users would spend more money when a remote control would look fancy. Current remote controls do not match well the operating behaviour of the user. [speaker001:] I'm sorry, that eighty percent of users would spend more money when a remote control would look fancy. You mean that they would spend more money on a fancy-looking remote control? [speaker004:] Yeah, they're willing, they're willing to spend money on a remote control with personality. As opposed to your basic, you know, oval black, all same size button remote control. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] Mm. Yeah. [speaker004:] Um, so it is something that people care about. It's not, it's not ignored in the household. Um, seventy five percent of remote control users said that they zap a lot. Zapping meaning they go through channels a lot. They're you know thumb-masters. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] Um, and fifty percent of users say they only use ten percent of the buttons. That A very small amount. Thought that was interesting. [speaker001:] Alright, so it might be very appealing if, um, we have very concise buttons. [speaker002:] Mm. [gap] the single function. [speaker001:] And another thing with um lots of surfing, we'd probably have to work on something that could be um a lot more durable, [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] because I find with um channel-changers that, um, a lot of the numbers get rubbed down if they're printed on the button. [speaker004:] Yes. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah that's a good point. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] And actually to go with that, I'm gonna give you some statistics on the uh relevancy of the buttons, how much they're used. And uh how important the uh users find them. So the power button, obviously, in an hour is only used once. Hopefully the person's not turning on and off the TV. Um, but the relevance of that button is nine out of ten. So people wanna be able to turn on the TV with the remote control. Um, as opposed to standing up and turning on the television set. Channel selection is used a hundred and sixty eight times on average per hour. That's a huge amount. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] This is the most important button. Um, so obviously when commercials come on they're changing it, so as you said we want a durable button that's not gonna run down. Relevance of that button, our users found was uh ten, ten out of ten. Uh, ditto for volume selection, so ten out of ten. And it's used on average four times an hour. Not as much as channel selection, but still significant. Um, audio settings is used on average zero point eight times an hour. Relevance is two. Screen settings, which means brightness, colour etcetera, zero point five times an hour. Um, and relevance of one point five. We're getting to specific statistics here. Teletext, um, now I'm not too clear on what that is. I don't know if you can help me. Flipping pages. Is that [disfmarker] [speaker003:] It's um [disfmarker] [speaker002:] It's like the news. Or like information. [speaker003:] It has [disfmarker] TV has like information, it has information on holidays, the news, entertainment. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] The [disfmarker] and what's on. [speaker004:] So like a running banner, underneath [disfmarker] [speaker001:] It's um [disfmarker] No it's a button that you press, and then you, uh, like a menu pops up. [speaker003:] No, li Yeah. Yeah. [speaker001:] I haven't used it before [speaker004:] Oh. [speaker001:] but [disfmarker] [speaker002:] It's like [disfmarker] [speaker003:] And you have page numbers like for the menu, and you press the page numbers with your remote, and it, it'll come up. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker002:] It's like very basic internet. Sort of, [speaker003:] Very basic internet, yeah. [speaker002:] um [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker003:] But you have [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Like tells you the weather, and [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah. But you have no interaction back with it, you know. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker003:] Like the internet you can send emails and [disfmarker] You've no interaction. [speaker002:] Yeah, [speaker004:] Right. [speaker002:] it's just information that um, like television timetables, what's on, what's on now, what's on next, on every channel, and [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Alright. Well I guess I'm not with it, because I wasn't [disfmarker] But it's, it's being used fourteen times an hour. Um, and has a r a high relevance of six point five. So it looks like something that we're gonna want to do some research on and include on our remote control. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Um, channel settings. Zero point zero one times an hour. Relevance of three. Channel settings. [speaker003:] Uh, probably just tuning in the channels, would it be? [speaker004:] P Sorry. Changing the channels? [speaker003:] Tuning them in at the very start. You know if you get a new TV set, you tune in all the channels, [speaker004:] Oh, okay. [speaker003:] do you th do you think? [speaker002:] To get the right reception and picture, I suppose. [speaker003:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. Okay. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker004:] Um, so it's not used very often, but people still find it relevant. Okay. Um, biggest frustrations of uh the people that we interviewed. Remote controls are often lost somewhere. So that was already discussed by Poppy. How we could have a, an alarm system so that people can find it. Um, takes too much time to learn how to use a new remote control. [speaker002:] [gap] [speaker004:] So it should be very user-friendly, you know. People know what to do very quickly. Um, remote controls are bad for RSI. [vocalsound] [gap] [speaker002:] Repetitive strain injury. [speaker003:] Repeti Uh. [speaker004:] Ah. [speaker002:] I think. [speaker004:] Is that what it is? People with arthritis and such? [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] That's rather sad. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Um, maybe our [speaker002:] Oh, I'm guessing that's what it is. [speaker003:] Yeah, yeah. I think it is. [speaker002:] I'm not [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] designers can look into that. Um, buttons that don't require, you know, very firm pushing, if they respond. [speaker002:] Mm. Yeah. [speaker004:] But we'll have to also avoid, you know, buttons responding to the slightest touch as well. That's a problem. [speaker002:] Yeah. It is. [speaker004:] Okay. Did you guys uh get that one down? [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Yep. [speaker004:] Um [vocalsound] okay, here's some ideas for you. A large percentage of the public would pay for voice recognition on the remote controls. So I'll show you some numbers here. Um, so the youngest age group, fifteen to twenty five. Ninety one point two percent said that they would pay extra money to have voice recogni voice recognition included on their remote control. Um, and you can see that number decreases a bit with ol s Interestingly enough, twenty five to thirty five is the lowest amount. Um, that would, are willing to pay extra. So I guess we're gonna have to figure out what age group we're, we're targeting, and if and if voice recognition is something we wanna look into. And if we have the budget for it. Um, if we are targeting young adults, it looks like something that would pay off. Seeing as ninety percent, over ninety percent would pay for it. [speaker001:] I agree with um [disfmarker] if we're targeting young adults then it would be something we should look into. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Um, financially and and functionally. Um, and especially if we are um trying to be trendy, go with fashions, things like that. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] Um, ages like from thirty five to sixty five which show lower numbers probably won't be as concerned. [speaker004:] So that, that's a whole other field of research. I don't know if it'd be, if we'd still have a remote, or if you're talking to your television and saying change channel. Um and depending on how many members you have in households. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] So it m it may be too complicated for us, but it's something to keep in mind anyway. [speaker001:] Yeah. And something that might further complicate it is that the TV makes noise itself. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Right. [speaker001:] Wonder if it would have [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] And if there was conversation in the room at the same time, [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] although in theory it doesn't tend to be when you're watching television, but [vocalsound] [gap] could be very difficult to get the specific uh design. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [gap] Yeah. If we're looking for a simplistic design, if [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] We need to decide if that is our um intention is, is a simplistic design. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] Um, because if, if it is then I think voice, um voice-activated [disfmarker] [speaker004:] It looks like [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah, and that would sort of negate the whole remote control thing, because if people can activate the television with their voice then they won't be using a, they won't be talking into a remote, I'm sure. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. It'd be like the ultimate remote. [gap] Um [vocalsound] okay. And th the last thing here was a, an LCD screen. So, I mean voice recognition might be a little too extreme for us. Not practical. Um an LCD screen though might be something that, you know, you can shift through pages kind of li the way this PowerPoint is working. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] So that you don't have so many buttons to deal with. [speaker001:] Um, I don't know what an LCD screen is. [speaker004:] Oh sorry, just, just a screen, like a computer screen. S Or like um [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Mobile phone. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Or [disfmarker] Like an alarm clock. You'd have an LCD versus just a, a normal clock. [speaker002:] What, what would appear on the screen? [speaker001:] I have no idea still. [vocalsound] I'm sorry. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Oh just like an electronic screen. As opposed to just buttons. There would be like a little, like on [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Oh, on the remote. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] Like on the top of a cellphone, the the little LCD screen. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Um, now that's, I, I dunno exactly what exactly we'd put on there. I guess the channel that you're on, the v the volume setting. [speaker003:] Yeah. Could it it [disfmarker] It would be good if it had the actual programme that was on, and what was next. But that would probably be [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Like linked in with the teletext, [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] Yeah. That would be good, yeah. [speaker002:] or sort of like an teletext at your fingers, without having to access that through the television. [speaker003:] Yeah. Might be quite expensive to do that though. [speaker002:] Mm, Yeah. Could be. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Well I guess that's something we can all take back to our respective research. [speaker001:] Right. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] Um, and finally, whoops, my personal preferences and thoughts. Um, I think our priority really should be unique design. Um, we want something that people want in their home. Every remote control looks the same, so uh in my opinion it should be, um, user-friendly and unique. So the other stuff might be a little too, a little too gadgety for some people. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Um, I th myself, voice recognition kind of scares me off. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] So if we're, if we're aiming to make this an international university, universally accepted product [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Um, and for all, the other thing is like age market. I mean if we wanted to concentrate on fifteen to twenty five years olds, we could go for the fancy stuff. But if we wanna make fifty million, and and have everyone want this remote control, we should maybe stick to the basics. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] And we should keep in mind that fifteen to twenty five year olds might not have twenty five Euros to spend on a remote control. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] Like their priorities might not be a fancy remote control, when they're just starting out and, yeah. [speaker004:] Right. And we have to keep in mind the, the reliability of our research. I mean, you know, a sixteen year old boy would say, yeah I'd pay extra for voice recognition, until they realise that's three months allowance. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Um, so I I think, I think the older generations we should be catering to a bit more. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [vocalsound] Early twenties, that's the kind of age group. [speaker001:] Yeah. And if one of the largest, uh, or most complained about thing is that it takes so long to get to know how to use a remote control, [speaker003:] Twenties. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] I'm sure that something like an LCD screen or remote control would be just furthering that problem. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yep. [speaker002:] Complicated jus complicating things even fo Mm. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Alright. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker004:] That's it for the market research. [speaker001:] Okay. Before we go into uh more discussion on [gap] we want this design to look like, I've received some information from the management that will affect some of our decisions. Um, for one thing, because [disfmarker] Having controls with DVD, VCR, that sort of thing, would really complicate the design of the remote control. Um, we've decided not to include them and make it a specific, just a specific television um function. Which is good as, as we've sort of decided that we would like to go with that anyway. Um, for many reasons. So um we have that decision sort of made for us. Another thing that might um affect other decisions is that um the management feels that teletext is outdated, because more people are using the internet now. And so uh we won't concern ourselves with um navigating the teletext option. [speaker002:] Can I just interrupt? [speaker001:] Yep. [speaker002:] Would you like to plug in your [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah. Maybe we can do the [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Have you got a PowerPoint or not? [speaker001:] Okay, sure. Yeah I do. I'm looking at [disfmarker] looking at it right now. [speaker002:] Okay. Thanks. [speaker004:] There you go. [speaker001:] [gap] thank you. [speaker004:] Oh, come back screen. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Hmm. [gap] [speaker002:] Were they, was the management suggesting use of the internet rather than teletext, or just avoiding both altogether? [speaker001:] Um, well, I mean we don't have the resources or or possibility of using the internet with the remote control, [speaker002:] [gap] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker001:] but um they were just pretty much saying that the teletext would not be used. [speaker002:] Okay. Yeah. Okay. [speaker001:] Alright, and another thing. This is for the design, the design of the product is that um we wanna create, um more of a sense that people know that this is from our company. So, um, all the remote controls must have our um [disfmarker] We'll incorporate our logo and colour in in some way. [speaker002:] Right. Yeah. Yeah. [speaker001:] So, um, perhaps um our logo on the bottom, or wherever you feel like it would look good. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] Um, it doesn't have to be the colour of our um of our company [speaker002:] Just [disfmarker] [speaker001:] but, another thing is that, um [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] we need to, we probably would have to have that colour and, and logo decided upon. Um, I'm assuming that we already have one, but for the purposes of this meeting I, I wasn't offered a, like a type of logo or colour, so if that could be um somewhere on the design so that we can be recognisable. [speaker002:] Okay. Work on that. [speaker004:] It's probably R RR in yellow. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] The little R R yellow thing? Okay. [speaker004:] Yeah, I think. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Real Reaction? Okay. Um, yes, those are the changes. Um, so, now we need to discuss, um and come to a decision on our remote control functions, of, of how this is going to be. I'm just going to look at my notes for a second. Um, we have to decide on a target group and the functions of the remote control. So, um, we already know that it'll just be for the television. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] It'll [disfmarker] It won't have teletext. But um, you know, we could discuss um those other options that you brought up, Genevieve. [speaker002:] [gap] [speaker004:] Okay, so I [disfmarker] Are we going to write off the LCD option? [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Is that how most people feel about that? [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah? [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] So no LCD, no teletext, and no voice recognition. [speaker003:] I think it would be annoying though if [disfmarker] I don't use teletext that much, but if it was on your TV, you'd want to be able to use it, if [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah, but another thing is that if we're reaching an international crowd, um, I know for one that in North America there is no such thing as teletext, so it'd be really superfluous. [speaker003:] You'd [disfmarker] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] So is it just [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Never heard of it. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Okay. Alright. [speaker001:] Yeah [speaker003:] Right. [speaker001:] I don't know about other countries besides the UK. Do you know if anywhere else has it? [speaker003:] I don't know. [speaker002:] I don't know. [speaker003:] I don't know. [speaker002:] More research required, I think. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Alright. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] But if [disfmarker] Was it a management decision that we're having [disfmarker] [speaker001:] It was a management decision, [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] So [disfmarker] [speaker001:] so it's, it's pretty much out of our hands at this point. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker003:] Okay then. [speaker001:] 'Kay. So, I guess we're looking at something rather simple. [speaker004:] Um, well I guess, just from my findings it looks like we wanna minimise buttons. [speaker002:] 'Kay. [speaker004:] Um. [speaker002:] Minimal [disfmarker] [speaker004:] And the [disfmarker] What was the word they used? F findability is important. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah. I think we should definitely go ahead with the alarm system idea that you had. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Yeah okay. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] 'Cause I'm sure that could be inex inexpensive because we could use the same kind of infrared [speaker002:] Yeah. The same signalling. [speaker001:] the same signal through that and it could just like make a little beeping noise. [speaker002:] I mean [disfmarker] [speaker001:] It's not that expensive to do. [speaker002:] Or vibrate just the same as a mobile phone. Like you just a, a buzz or something. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Yeah. Okay. I like that idea. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Would you be able to, um, put the little device anywhere? [vocalsound] 'Cause uh isn't our remote control for all TVs, so [speaker002:] If [vocalsound] [disfmarker] [speaker003:] you'd ha [speaker002:] Do you mean the the link between the [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah, with the button that you pressed. [speaker002:] Well, if the button was actually on [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah. The button [disfmarker] Oh. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Oh, yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] C 'cause then it would only be a applicable to one TV set, [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Minor detail there. [speaker003:] so it would need to be something that you could stick somewhere, or something. [speaker002:] Maybe [disfmarker] Yeah, yeah. Maybe something adhesive that you could like stick onto the back of any set that would be um yeah not very obtrusive. [speaker001:] Yeah, it would have t [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Obviously something small that's [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah, that's a good point. [speaker001:] Yeah. Then it wouldn't, it probably wouldn't be able to use [disfmarker] It would be able to use the same reception on the remote c control I guess, but the actual device would have to have its own infrared signaller. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] Yeah, okay. [speaker003:] Would it need a battery then? [speaker001:] Maybe, um [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Pr probably. [speaker001:] Probably, I mean. [speaker002:] Unless it could be [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] That's your department you'll have to sort that out. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker002:] Okay. Um, unless some way, it could have some universal connection to like the socket, the same socket that the TV's supplied from. I mean the power for the TV. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] So, mm, more research into that one. [speaker001:] Yeah, you'll have to [disfmarker] Yeah, you'll have to investi Do some research on that, [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] alright? Great. Um, alright, and I'm sure that, um um, the glow-in-the-dark, fluorescent, whatever, system, um is a go ahead. Is everyone interested in that? [speaker002:] Y [speaker004:] On the buttons? [speaker003:] I I like the light up suggestion. I think that would be better. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] 'Cause you know the way fluorescent lights lose their brightness after certain time, so [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] [gap] it doesn't [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] I would go for [disfmarker] [speaker004:] It could it could be a tactile thing as well. Um right, if w if we're minimising buttons, we might be able to make them actually larger. And there's something on it. S you know like up arrow down arrow for, for volume. [speaker002:] Like a raised [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Um, and I don't know what we could do for, for channels. S [speaker003:] Well just the numbers could be embossed, couldn't it? Like raised. [speaker004:] The numbers themselves. [speaker003:] Yeah. Could be raised. [speaker004:] But then the like up button and down button for the channel, channel changing. [speaker003:] Just little arrows, that you could feel, maybe? [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Hmm. [speaker004:] I just thought that [gap] it, it might be sucking more battery power, if there, if it is a light up. I'm not sure. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] That's true. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] And also y, uh Heather you mentioned before, um like how it should be accessible to everybody. [speaker001:] But I mean [disfmarker] Yeah. [speaker002:] Um, so like big b um buttons, [gap] for people you are visually impaired. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] The glow-in-the-dark or light up won't make any difference anyway. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] So like you say tactile might be better, because it'd be more available to everybody. [speaker003:] That, I think that's good, yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. Could we somehow [disfmarker] We could, may, possibly, sorry, incorporate them both so that the buttons could maybe be in the shape of the numbers themselves and be made out of some glow-in-the-dark material. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] 'Cause I d I don't think that glow-in-the-dark material, um, like the actual soft plastic, um, costs that much more than other colours. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] No, I wouldn't say so. [speaker002:] No, it's not these days. I mean, it's quite easily accessible. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] I guess the other option, referring to the battery thing is, you know how cellphones will t light up for fifteen seconds or something, when you're s and then it goes, [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] That's good [disfmarker] Yeah that a good idea. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] so if, if you're like changing the volume during a movie. I know, I'm thinking of mostly when you're watching a movie you turn all the lights off right. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] And you don't want to turn on the lights, [vocalsound] to turn it down, because there's suddenly an explosion, and it's gonna wake up the baby. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker004:] Um, so if you touch the button, it kind of reactivates it. It lights up for [disfmarker] [speaker003:] That, yeah, that's a good idea. [speaker002:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker004:] On self timer. [speaker002:] So self-timed lighting. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Alright we have five minutes left [speaker002:] Um, I [disfmarker] [speaker001:] um, for the meeting, but I think we should discuss this light subject a little bit more before we close. Um, what was [disfmarker] I missed the last moment, reading that. What were you talking about with the lighting up buttons? [speaker004:] Oh, just if it was kinda the same way that a cell You know how a cellphone will light up for about ten, fifteen seconds when you touch a button, after having not touched it for a while. [speaker001:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker004:] Um, if instead of a constant light up on the, on the remote control, if it lights up for ten seconds when it's touched again. [speaker001:] Mm. So it could be any button that would be pressed. [speaker004:] Yeah, [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] and you, you touch it and it just kind of lights up a bit, and it gives a faint glow. [speaker002:] So, self-timed [disfmarker] [speaker004:] So if you have all the lights off in your living room, you'll, you'll temporarily see it. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Because usually you're not fooling around for it for more than what ten seconds. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Okay, so [disfmarker] [speaker004:] So [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] That's probably feasible. So, do you think that we should do the lighting up thing, and the glow-in-the-dark thing, and the shape of the numbers? Do we have to kind of decide what we're gonna do with this. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] I think the shape of the numbers is a really good idea. [speaker003:] Yeah. For visually impaired, yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah, okay. [speaker002:] And I think that's un unique as well. I mean, I haven't seen that. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] And as you're saying like numbers can wear off if they're just sort of like painted on, you know printed. [speaker001:] Yeah, yeah. And it could [gap], if it's that softer rubber material it'll be, maybe, um, uh, better for people with um els no [speaker002:] [gap] durable. [speaker001:] what's it called, RSI, what was it that we were talking about? [speaker002:] Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Oh right, [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] the [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Repetitive strain injury. [speaker001:] Yeah instead of like hard buttons. Okay. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Um, did we want to go for the glow-in-the-dark look? Or did we want to go for the lighting up instantly? [speaker003:] If [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Like should we do both? Or we can have one or the other? Because it might, for, for our design purposes, I mean, the lighting up thing might be better because glow-in-the-dark material has a funny kinda colour. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. I was gonna say, [gap] [speaker001:] And it might not go with different like face plates that we might come up with. [speaker004:] Exactly. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] It the [disfmarker] it might be perceived as tacky, glow-in-the-dark. It's kind of like Eighties neon-style. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah, [speaker004:] Um, whereas we're trying to be trendy and fashionable. [speaker002:] and we could [disfmarker] Yeah there are now like loads, or a huge range of different colours that it could light up in as well, [speaker004:] So [disfmarker] [speaker002:] which could like link in with the company colours. Like it could be blue or green or yellow, [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Right. [speaker002:] or like we've just limited t with the, just ordinary phosphorescent so [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Right. Alright. So we've decided on lighting up things. [speaker003:] I was thinking though, if it was glow-in-the-dark, you could put the um Real Reaction symbol as glow-in-the-dark, and then it would be constantly advertised. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker002:] Every time the, that it lit up, you c that could light up as well. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Or, or the, whate [speaker003:] [gap] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. But with the same thing, I mean. If you touch the button and then it could be, it could be lit up as well. [speaker004:] That's true. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. Okay. [speaker001:] Is [disfmarker] Are you okay with that? [speaker003:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Okay. Cool. Um [disfmarker] Alright. So I think that um [speaker002:] Is [disfmarker] [speaker001:] that completes most of our um our more uh practical decisions. And now it's up to designing. And um making sure that this can be feasible. [speaker004:] What um [disfmarker] [speaker001:] And do you have anything [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Oh sorry. [speaker001:] Do you have anything to say? [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah well, I was just gonna throw out there the thought about um personalising the remote control. Um, it, you, 'cause you mentioned face plates. So I I dunno if there's something that diff, you know like five different face plates. I dunno if this will start making it more complicated, but it could increase the popularity of the, of the remote. Um [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker003:] Oh yeah. [speaker002:] Like you can have changeable um mobile covers or something. [speaker003:] Interchangeable thing? [speaker004:] Yeah, [gap] [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Like an iPod or something? [speaker003:] That would be good. [speaker004:] Exactly, like an iPod. [speaker002:] Yeah, or [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Exactly. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker004:] Or, or like mobile ph. [speaker001:] Like a cellphone? Yeah. [speaker004:] And I dunno if we'd want to go with like TV show themes or something. Like a Bart Simpson faceplate. [speaker003:] Yeah, and then that would be uh more profitable like as a sideline to the remote as well. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] But [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [gap] Yeah. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] Y Could buy extra [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Accessories. [speaker004:] Exactly. You could start out with three, and if, if we hit it big then we can add some on. [speaker002:] Person [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. Well, that's great. [speaker003:] That's a good idea. Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. I think that we should incorporate that. [speaker002:] Interchangeable. Um, als [speaker001:] 'Cause that wouldn't be very expensive at all. You'd just get one mould, [speaker003:] No. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Interchan [speaker001:] throw some plastic in it, you know. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] And also possible [disfmarker] I mean, uh, we could gain out of that by advertising certain TV shows, or [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Oh yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. Well, that might be com problematic with um copyright issues. [speaker004:] Right. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] So, if it takes off then we'll, we'll, we'll try that out. [speaker002:] But if we, there is [disfmarker] [speaker003:] If w [speaker002:] Yeah. We could [disfmarker] Um, the environmental factor, we didn't bring that up again. [speaker004:] Right. [speaker001:] Right. We'll have to do more research. Like as of yet, that has nothing to do with, um, the way it'll look. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Um, does it need to be reached a de Do we need to reach a decision on that right now? [speaker002:] Um, I've [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Because we need to investigate the financial implications. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] Let's [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Is it [disfmarker] Does it need to be uh decided on now? Or should we [disfmarker] [speaker002:] I think we could probably leave that 'til later on, then. [speaker001:] Okay. Good. Alright then. Anyone else have anything more to say before we close? [speaker003:] No. [speaker002:] No. [speaker001:] Alright, well. Let's have lunch and we'll discuss this later. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] Alright? [speaker002:] Thank you.

[speaker001:] Uh it fell off. One, two, three, four, yeah, we're ready. Okay. Welcome to this second meeting. Um it's now quarter after twelve and we're given forty minutes um for this meeting. This is a meeting on functional design. Um and I wanna welcome you all and thank you all for doing some research in between. Um I did [disfmarker] took the minutes from the first meeting and I'll show them to you in a moment. Um I know each of you have a presentation and um in thinking about the forty minutes, I thought it would take only like three minutes for the previous minutes, um each of you having about seven minutes or maybe a little more, maybe a little less for your pre presentations and a little discussion, because there's [disfmarker] I happen to have been told there were some new project requirements and we have to make some uh decision on what functions it will have. Okay? Is this ap [speaker003:] Yes. [speaker002:] Oops. [speaker001:] everybody agree with this? [speaker004:] Yes. [speaker001:] Okay. Um and after the meeting there'll be things to be done and as you can see it says we get to get lunch, um and then some more individual work and then putting minutes away and individual actions. [vocalsound] Um but uh now for the minutes of the first meeting. And go to that one. Um as you can see it was this earlier today. Um Kate, Steph, Sarah and myself in our four capacities were present. I opened the meeting, the product was developed uh and reviewed, and we talked about the financial end of it. Um and it had some implications, um the four million sales target and new ideas of not too many buttons, bright colours and some of the influence of the Japanese. And we closed early so you could then proceed with your research and getting your reports together for tod this meeting [vocalsound] Anybody have any questions on those minutes? Are they complete, did they discuss everything that we covered last time? 'Kay. [speaker002:] Uh I think so, [speaker001:] Did I miss something? [speaker002:] we we we talked about the the individual roles that we each had as well. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Yeah. I'm afraid I incorporated [vocalsound] that when I said who was present, but [disfmarker] yes, we did, [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Okay, I accept the minutes. [speaker001:] and we did a little bit of uh team building of uh of making the pictures, but I didn't think those were appropriate to the minutes necessarily. So um as a group I think we've [disfmarker] are [disfmarker] they're accepting the minutes. And uh [disfmarker] okay. [speaker004:] Is that what we're supposed to say? [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah, I do. [speaker001:] Good. Um, then we'll move to the three presentations. Okay? [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker001:] Okay. Mm we need to move this. Who wants to go f first? [vocalsound] That's as far as it goes. [speaker003:] Uh not really meant to touch those microphones. Oh it doesn't have any on, does it? That's fine. [speaker004:] Excellent, thank you. [speaker002:] Oy, big loop under the table. [speaker001:] She said we didn't need to screw it in. [speaker004:] Okay. Okay, that looks good. [speaker001:] It's doing its thing. There we are. [speaker004:] Alright. Thank you very much. Um. One of the the biggest issues I found about um from last meeting was the fact that we need to sell four million of these um remote controls and I think that this is an opportunity to really take Real Reaction in the direction of of similar [disfmarker] of handheld tools that have been used and are used by many of us and to kind of bring the remote control into the si same realm as an accessible um useful electronic device, as opposed to something that is lost in the couch and what have you. So um my main goal here is to re-envision the remote control in in this context and to think about menu functionality and current technology and the fact that it could be interactive with other tools. Um some of the research uh in the market has shown that people really are not happy with remote controls as they are now, and um that means we do need to make some decisions about what what keys or or buttons on the on the remote control to perhaps keep and and what ones to discard. And if we devote some energy into this, I think the um recent productions of Real Reaction, the I go everywhere power and the high definition DVD players [disfmarker] although it makes immediate sense to [vocalsound] have our remote control interact with these, I think we can also use this as a platform to make it interact with other tools. And um in fact I think the high definition DVD players and all of this will come along in the uh [disfmarker] will only benefit from the positive feedback [vocalsound] from our well designed tool. So again, most uh users really dislike the current look and feel of remote controls. Um [vocalsound] fifty percent [disfmarker] I think of all these uh numbers the most important is fifty percent of user say they only use ten percent of the buttons. And eighty percent of users, and if we think about this [vocalsound] there are a lot of uh television, DVD, stereo remote control users out there, eighty percent would spend more money on a remote control that looks fancy. [speaker002:] Could [disfmarker] can I ask where these figures come from, is this market research we've [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Um it was market research and there were a hundred people in the room, so eighty out of a hundred said they would spend more money. [speaker001:] Now [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] in between, as the Project Manager, they sent me an email from the powers that be [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] um that teletext is outdated um and the internet is coming in as important, but that they want this remote control to only be for TV um with incorporating the corporate image, colour and slogan. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [vocalsound] Well I think we can [disfmarker] I I think we can really focus on this remote and and again bring the Real Reaction um brand in in and and get some positive marketing for our other tools, even if we directly don't um advertise [vocalsound] for the I go everywhere line. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker004:] So an interesting um element was the would you pay more for speech recognition question. So these market research uh uh questionnaires [vocalsound] looked into your your uh concern about technology [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Hmm. [speaker004:] and s specifically wanted to find out information about speech recognition. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] Now the early adopters, those of us who grew up with technology and uh luck lucky for us have the uh cash to to pay for it, the young age group without the mortgages and responsibilities, ninety one percent of them [vocalsound] would pay more for speech recognition in a remote control. Very interesting, I I leave this up to the group to decide if we wanna use this uh if [disfmarker] and you know, the the designers, [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker004:] but ninety one percent, fifteen to twenty five [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Is that a large enough target market to target it? [speaker004:] Well, I I I think [disfmarker] especially in terms of growth, I think this would be a very smart group to target. I mean s three quarters of the next age group, twenty five to thirty five are interested, and uh with the technologies improving, if we can get these uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] In real numbers, does the ninety one percent and the seventy six percent translate to ex in excess of the four million? [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah. To [disfmarker] [vocalsound] Um yes. [speaker001:] Or eight million. [speaker004:] Yes. But would you pay more and does it work and is it approachable and and did I know that it was it was an [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Hmm. [speaker004:] that's a that's a very good question. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker004:] I don't know if speech recognition should be um should be included, [speaker002:] Um [disfmarker] [speaker004:] but I think it's an interesting [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker004:] I think that maybe shows more about uh being open to technology. [speaker003:] Uh it definitely needs uh a lot more research [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker004:] Shall I go back? [speaker003:] on like how much more it would be and any, you know, existing examples, [speaker004:] Yeah, yeah. [speaker003:] and what reactions to them have been, and that sort of thing. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] How d I'm wondering how how ou how our target price compares with the the typical price of these things. I expect an Industrial Designer should know that, but if we're aiming to to build this thing for twelve Euros fifty, um is that a lot or a little? [speaker004:] Exactly. I mean I I I uh did not receive any information on that, but I think the competition, sussing out what other people are doing and what's in the pipeline is very very important, because um there is a question about do you want an LCD screen and and that wasn't responded to, but uh some of the larger remotes do have screens where you can navigate, you know, so it turns into something [disfmarker] uh perhaps you all have seen uh the Osbournes where Ozzy Osbourne is is attempting to manage his super entertainment system with something that looks like a uh a small tray. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Sh surely he's in the wrong age group. [speaker004:] You know, it's [disfmarker] I a and I think, [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] you know [disfmarker] [speaker002:] He must be w one of a s small population. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] No, no, you [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker004:] Kate, you're exactly right there. [vocalsound] But I think the key is to get the early adopters, people who are familiar with technology and and uh they'll be [disfmarker] [speaker001:] But we're not looking at whether they're early adopters on that screen, [speaker004:] Uh, mm. [speaker001:] that's looking at age groups. [speaker004:] Exactly. I [vocalsound] yes, and I'm making and I'm making the the uh uh leap that people who are familiar [disfmarker] younger people are l are more familiar with technology than than older people. Or comfortable, [speaker001:] Leap. [vocalsound] Hmm. [speaker004:] you know, um so [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Mm. Okay, you had the other power channel. [speaker004:] I think the most important thing is an attractive streamlined remote control and to be extraordinarily reductionist, power, channel, volume and everything else is is uh up to the designers. [vocalsound] And this is this is also supported by the market research. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Thank you. That's my contribution. [speaker001:] Alright. And we'll turn to the next presentation. I think she said we don't need to screw it in, just stick it in. And then press, what? F FN and F eight. Next to the control button on the bottom, and then F eight at the top. [speaker003:] Yeah, press them. [speaker001:] And then w be patient. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah, here we go. [speaker001:] Tada. [speaker002:] And if you want it to go into slide show mode, it's that little button there. [speaker003:] Can I not just uh do each one in order? [speaker002:] I you can if you like, it it [disfmarker] that that just sets it up to do a p a p [speaker001:] There we are. Yay. [speaker003:] That? [speaker002:] no that one, that one there. [speaker003:] That? [speaker002:] Left, left a bit, left a bit, [speaker003:] That? [speaker002:] that one, yep. [speaker003:] Right, technical functions design. Uh well I think first off, basically I do agree with what Sarah has defined as as uh your personal preferences,yeah. I think we need uh a more streamlined volume with no extraneous functions. So my method was to look at the existing remotes and what functions they have. And what we all need to discuss is whether we want these functions uh pretty much the same as what existing remotes have. If we can build on this with the speech recognition, that's not something I'd thought about at all, but it's also something we can discuss. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] Um and and I presume we can miss out the functions really to to a video or DVD remote control, if this is only gonna be a, you know, satellite, cable, TV remote control. [speaker001:] TV only. [speaker003:] So these are two models of existing remote controls. Uh the one on the left seems to be a fairly uh standard universal remote control. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Ugh. [speaker003:] It has fast-forward, stop, play, all relating to movies. It also has [disfmarker] seems to have channel up and channel down, which is which is more what you'd expect from a, you know, like a Sky or cable remote control [speaker001:] Hmm. [speaker003:] where you've got hundreds of channels instead of a merely terrestrial one. Uh but I think we should be looking more along the lines of the one on the right, which has [disfmarker] it also has play, stop and pause and everything, I don't think we need them at all. I think we just need channel selection, volume up, volume down and I think an an enter function where you can access [disfmarker] it's not like teletext, but along the same lines, access things on the screen. Uh not related to the internet one that you mentioned, because that'd be far outside our budget and what we want this to do. [speaker001:] Mm. And exceed the requirements they're expecting of us. [speaker003:] So it really exceed the requirements, 'cause the requirements really are just [disfmarker] want to be able to change channels and functions, which is more a text on the screen thing than uh than actual buttons [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] o I was thinking something [disfmarker] some smooth, sleek, little remote control with big user-friendly buttons and uh a menu that you can access. [speaker001:] Alright. [speaker003:] Uh but then I do think we need to discuss the speech um recognition possibility. [speaker001:] Okay. Any uh thing else you wanna add? [speaker003:] No. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] But we could go back to the pictures of the [disfmarker] uh, what're they called? The pictures of the remote controls and possibly discuss what we think about them, [speaker004:] Or if [disfmarker] [speaker003:] but [vocalsound] maybe should hear what Kate has to say first. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. Let's hear what Kate has to say. [speaker003:] Okay then. [speaker004:] Maybe afterwards we could do a uh whiteboard with that [disfmarker] your [disfmarker] the one on the right as a as a basis. [speaker001:] Hmm. [speaker004:] Whiteboard session. [speaker001:] I think the white [disfmarker] that one on the right is, as well as less cluttered, [vocalsound] [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] Definitely less cluttered and [disfmarker] I mean but still it's [disfmarker] Sorry [speaker001:] It's there [speaker003:] I was just [disfmarker] [speaker001:] but it's [disfmarker] [speaker003:] I'll just uh resume something else I was gonna say. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] The the style of these is terrible. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] I I I really think we need to uh not only possibly even materials, like the type of plastic used, but everything including size and shape of buttons, positioning of buttons, the actual shape of the hand-held device, colours, just every e yeah, everything to do with this has to be revolutionised. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] The ergonomics, the way it fits in your [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Hmm. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] But [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [gap] [speaker003:] So that's that for now. [speaker002:] Cheers. Mm, I haven't actually got a display on my screen. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] Still, I'll do without that. Okay um, now I wanna bring us down to earth again I'm afraid and talk about the actual practicalities of how the thing needs to work. [vocalsound] Um oh and this is the methodology I used in preparing for this meeting. Um basically I've been doing a little bit of web-based research, [vocalsound] and if I had a design team, I would've been discussing my ideas with 'em. But the the net result is that I've come up with a first cut for the working design that I'd like to discuss with you. So, let's go back to what the basic function of a remote control is. It's for sending a message, um typically um via infrared. [vocalsound] And the the basic components we've got to build in for our twelve Euros fifty are um an energy source, the user interface and [disfmarker] which will um in incorporate um an integrated circuit that actually composes the message um based on what the [disfmarker] which buttons the user presses, we turn that into a message, um and then we need a sending mechanism to send it to the receiver. Now I would have hoped [disfmarker] I think that's my only slide actually, yeah. I would have have hoped to um do you a pretty PowerPoint slide of um my first cut design, but unfortunately the technology defeated me, so if you'll bear with me I'll do it on the whiteboard. [vocalsound] So we want an energy source which is there. And we've got to think about what that might be. Uh we obviously don't want wires on this thing. [speaker001:] Hmm-mm. [speaker002:] Uh typically it would be a battery, but I'm open to suggestions. [vocalsound] Um and then we have the the user interface. Oops. And the main components in there are the the th the chip that actually has the intelligence of the machine that translates button presses into a message, which it then transfers to some sending mechanism, which encodes it and sends the message to the receiver. So those are the basic things that we've got to get in for our twelve Euros fifty. [vocalsound] Thank you. [speaker001:] Hmm. [vocalsound] Okay. Right. But those things [disfmarker] as long as we can get those components, the block, that that rectangle for the user interface, is where the user comes in of [disfmarker] what what does it look like? What do the buttons look like? Uh what does it feel like? That's where the user interface is really coming into its own. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] The technical end is what's actually gonna be in there, but also it has to be easy enough to change or repair if something goes wrong. For example the battery energy source or um what if the chip, for whatever reason, breaks down after a certain amount of time, do you just replace it? Um is there any um [disfmarker] because it may be in the same area with several other user interfaces, like for DVDs, movies, whatever. Um does it have to have a a way of being segregated from the others, in a different frequency or something? [speaker002:] Well I may be wrong here, but I'd been thinking of this device as being a a cheap mass-produced device. We're trying to sell four million of 'em, [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker002:] um that's that's, you know, that's almost one in every tenth household or whatever it is. Um and I hadn't thought of it as being a reparable thing, you just [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker002:] if it goes wrong you chuck it out, and that's why I'm a bit concerned. I like the idea of speech recognition, that's a great idea, but I'm not convinced we can put it into this box for the price that we need [disfmarker] gonna need to hit. [speaker004:] Do we have um ki some idea of how much it would cost to create a device that has these basic elements? [speaker003:] Whoop. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Isn't that your job? [speaker004:] Because then [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Oh. [speaker004:] No, [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] the chip composer marketing. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Oh right. [speaker004:] Oh no, the chip composer sender. [speaker001:] Mm. What they cost. [speaker002:] Um, I'm I'm I'm hoping that my personal coach is gonna [vocalsound] give me some advice on that, if you're asking me, [speaker004:] I I don't believe I know, um. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker002:] but [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Be because then we would ha ha figure out how much we had to play with in terms of user interface and this look and feel idea. [speaker003:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker003:] It does it does seem as if we're just to do something really simple and mass-produced, [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] the [disfmarker] which is pretty much the same as these existing models, just maybe a little bit more inspired, [speaker004:] Inspired? Mm. [speaker003:] but basically just the same. Although what what uh suddenly came into my head is, you know how they always take two AA batteries which which is really not very efficient at all. Could it be possible to have uh, you know, like a rechargeable internal battery, like, well, like an MP three player does? With that you could jus or a mobile phone or whatever. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] You could [disfmarker] you know, you just plug into a power source for a couple of hours, and then it's recharged for ages and ages and ages, and you don't have to worry with replacing AA batteries, [speaker004:] Well that has another element, [speaker003:] which are [disfmarker] [speaker004:] which is if every time you're done using the remote you put it on a charger, then you [disfmarker] then it has a place. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker003:] You'd never need uh batteries would y uh yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah, but it also has a place, so [disfmarker] [speaker003:] And it's not stuck down the back of the sofa. [speaker004:] exactly. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] But then again I d I don't know if this is within our price range or not. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] That's a really good idea. [speaker002:] Well I uh think that's a very interesting idea, but um I'm not a very good industrial designer and I don't know much about what these things cost. [vocalsound] I'll do some research for the next meeting. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Well [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] it's better than my idea about solar, probably. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Uh yeah. [speaker002:] Well solar may not be so good when you're watching TV in the night, [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah, yeah. [speaker002:] but [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker003:] Well [speaker004:] Depen [speaker003:] it is just so annoying how [disfmarker] [speaker001:] It would have to sor store up the energy [speaker004:] Mm. Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah, I guess. [speaker001:] and then use it. Solar can do that. [speaker002:] We may be talking quite heavy then. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] M yeah, that would be too heavy and it'd cost too much. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] No, but just a rechargeable internal battery would probably [disfmarker] I mean it might cost more to [disfmarker] at first to develop and to install, [speaker004:] Mm-hmm [speaker003:] but for long-term use it'll be so much more convenient and economic than fiddling around trying to replace chunky AA batteries and not having any in your kitchen drawer [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] and [speaker002:] So [speaker003:] you know f [speaker002:] do you think we might make that a selling point if it was something that we found we could afford to develop? [speaker004:] Definitely, 'cause I'm thinking in terms of um uh [vocalsound] the [vocalsound] loss and breakage of um remotes, [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker004:] how much of that is is to do with it not really having a uh a home, a um a nest, a place to live, [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker003:] Sort of have its little dock that you could put it in. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] exactly. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] So if you can dock it, um you know, you could s argue that this is [disfmarker] [speaker001:] And the dock could look very fancy [speaker004:] Exactly. [speaker001:] and that could be your inspiration of having it looking decent. [speaker003:] Still I don't know if it's quite within our price range. [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker001:] Hmm. [speaker004:] 'Cause you are talking about another component, like another piece of hardware. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker001:] Okay. Are we agreed as to what our target group is though? Pretty much, so that we'd be looking for the younger end. [speaker004:] Well I I brought up some [disfmarker] exactly, but I think you raised some good questions about are there enough of these people out there, or are they making purchasing decisions? [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker004:] You know, [speaker002:] Yeah, [speaker004:] these are the [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker002:] I was wondering that, because I ag I agree that there there're people with uh how can I put it, more money than sense and who are liable to buy [vocalsound] something new, [speaker001:] [vocalsound] I I s usually put more money than brains. [speaker004:] Yeah, exactly. [speaker002:] but [disfmarker] [vocalsound] Bu but what I was gonna say was, although they they may be buying um, you know, personal music devices and all that, [speaker004:] Oh oh oh I'll make a note of that, Kate. Good, good comment. [speaker002:] are they necessarily buying TV remote controls? Because they probably live in a household that has a TV if they're at the lower end of the age range, [speaker004:] Yeah. [vocalsound] It might be good to know [speaker002:] I don't know. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] um uh who, you know, who's actually buying televisions and are we in a uh uh s region where people have more than one television in a home? [speaker002:] Mm. I think we've got a big hill to climb here, haven't we? I mean we've gotta persuade people who've got a remote control 'cause it came with the telly that they should buy our product instead. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. Or do we s make sure that it goes to the man through the manufacturer? We sell to the manufacturer as the remote that goes with it. [speaker002:] Right, good point. Yeah, yeah okay, yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. Yeah, good point. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] That's probably more what it is. [speaker001:] What would be a more efficient way of doing it? [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah, and and some of our DVD players incidentally have them, because we have the relationship with our own department, but moreover we need to to go for the the manufacturers. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. Okay. Right. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] We're not gonna get any resolutions by the end of the day, are we? [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Probably not. [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker001:] Um the other thing that we're supposed to do is make decision on our functions. Our functions, we've so far decided, I think, that power, channel, volume make it attractive. Um it has to have an enter key and of course the number keys. It has to have big user-friendly buttons and sh n [vocalsound] definitely we wanna be inspired that the current [vocalsound] styles are just plain awful. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Do we need [disfmarker] um let me [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Is that agreeable to everyone? [speaker004:] Br actually, um [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] the enter key [disfmarker] I have a chart here that I didn't include. Um [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Do you want the gizmo? [speaker004:] yeah, which might [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Throw some light on that. [speaker004:] Th yeah, th those are [disfmarker] [vocalsound] felt like had a lot of charts. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Um actually we're, you know, we are almost a half hour out of the forty minutes, so we have to get close to finishing. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Okay, I I [disfmarker] my only comment is I think maybe um we could somehow include an enter key in like a power key if power power was enter and pow that was my only [disfmarker] just really in terms of streamlining. [speaker001:] Ah. Mm-hmm. Okay. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Um [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Enter, power as a s oh um a sum simultaneous key. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Exactly. Again, you know, [speaker001:] Is that okay with you? [speaker004:] thinking of menus or [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Sorry, I was miles away. [speaker001:] Would that [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] H how does that work? [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Um well [speaker003:] I was re I was reading the chart to be honest. [speaker002:] How [disfmarker] so so how does that work, [speaker001:] uh-huh. [speaker002:] how do you avoid switching the thing off when you actually wanna press enter? [speaker004:] if you're pressing enter, the the thing would already be on, and so maybe um when you press power, initially it turns it on, press power again and use that as an enter um [disfmarker] so you press power after you've [speaker001:] Then you'd have to have an off te off key. [speaker004:] um [disfmarker] well I was thinking maybe you [disfmarker] to turn it off you'd have to press power twice in succession, [speaker002:] Okay, yep, mm-hmm. [speaker004:] and maybe power follows something like a channel up channel down power, and then that would make that choice. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker002:] It's not getting a bit complicated? Could granny do this, [speaker004:] Well [disfmarker] [speaker002:] or are we just not aiming at granny? [speaker004:] Or y yeah. Or something that has a a turning dial, where at the far end is on or off. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Who's got an iPod then? [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah, [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] I don't [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Mm. Okay. [speaker004:] um I wish. Anyway, uh [vocalsound] that was the only comment about um some of the the decisions people have made, what's most important. It's definitely channel, volume, power. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker003:] Yeah, things like screen settings and audio settings, I would generally do them on the actual television itself, [speaker004:] Exactly. [speaker003:] like here you have a you know, a little flap th with a little control panel on the actual box itself. [speaker004:] Exactly. [speaker003:] I I wouldn't know how to do it using a remote control, [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] so um I would say that they are definitely less relevant. [speaker004:] Okay, well. [speaker001:] Okay. So [speaker004:] Thanks for looking at that. [speaker001:] I guess easy to use is the other thing that we want 'em to be able to do. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. We don't wanna outsmart [disfmarker] [speaker001:] As you said, you know, don't make it too hard for the granny. [vocalsound] I just joined that set last week. [speaker004:] Hmm. [speaker001:] Um [vocalsound] first grandchild arrived. [speaker004:] Congratulations. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Mm. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Uh. [speaker001:] Um so are we agreed then of those things? And let's go back to agenda [speaker004:] D [speaker001:] and hook me up. Mm. This oughta be fun. It probably won't go the first time, it'll probably be like a g mess. Come on. Uh it lost it off here. [vocalsound] Uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Oh you're fine. It's fine. [speaker001:] No, it was up there, but I couldn't see it down here. Mm. This time it should be both. There we go. [speaker002:] How do you do that? How do you make it do both? [speaker001:] Um you have to keep doing the financi the the FN and F eight to [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Ah okay, [speaker001:] five minutes to finish, [speaker002:] it toggles through, [speaker001:] thank you a lot for telling me. [speaker002:] yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] I think you have to cycle through. [speaker001:] Um right, [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] we're ready to close. Um [gap] will be completed q questionnaire, um then we'll have some time for individual work to continue our research um and I'll put some minutes of this meeting together. Um your individual assignments are for um Kate to do the components, for you, Steph, to do the user interface and for you the trend-watching. Um and each of us will get help from our coach. Are we agreed to get ourselves together and then have lunch? [speaker003:] Yes. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Sounds good. [speaker001:] Okay. Then that's the end of this meeting. And I hope that's good enough for her [vocalsound] to tell her that's the end. Okay? [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker003:] We didn't come to any sort of decision on the functions though. [speaker001:] Well I think I went over the functions and wrote them down [speaker003:] Alright, [speaker001:] and marked them. [speaker003:] well that's fine then. [speaker001:] Um that's what I went over and nobody was objecting to them. [speaker004:] Okay. Um and you'd mentioned [disfmarker] I I was just gonna say, could you reiterate the new project requirements, because it [disfmarker] they were [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] it has to be for a TV, just to keep myself [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Um the teletext is outdated, [speaker002:] So we're still in meeting, aren't we? [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah, [speaker001:] the internet is important, [speaker004:] I think I've [disfmarker] [speaker001:] it's only to be for a TV and it must include the corporate image, colour and slogan um [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker001:] which I think is more in the user uh range, with Steph. [speaker003:] Mm. Sorry, what what actually are these [disfmarker] is that the yellow and black? [speaker001:] It doesn't tell me. [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker003:] From their [disfmarker] I'll just use it from their website. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. Okay? [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker004:] Right. Thank you.

[speaker004:] [gap] [speaker001:] [gap] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] I dunno. [vocalsound] Throwing away my toothpick. [speaker002:] Hi there. [speaker001:] Yo. Ow. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [gap] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] 'Kay. [speaker001:] Uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Nice user interface. [speaker001:] Yeah. What the [disfmarker] Uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [gap] [speaker001:] Yeah well, ja well let's just start. [speaker004:] 'Kay. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] I've uh made a presentation [speaker004:] Right let's see it. [speaker001:] uh but uh I'll open it on the Smartboard, so we can all see it. So it's in the project documents because that's what we can find here. Well [gap]. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Very nice. Well this is called the the the kick-off meeting. So uh [vocalsound] I'm the Project Manager, so I had to fill it in, [speaker004:] 'Kay. [speaker001:] and uh hmm. [vocalsound] [vocalsound] Oh sorry. [vocalsound] And [gap] an uh a nice agenda. [vocalsound] Uh we'll do the opening and then uh we'll meet each other, what uh we already do, so, that's not uh very much trouble. I'll I'll show you the the tools we have here, so that we can all use them. Then uh we'll look at the project plan from uh Real Reaction. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] We'll discuss about our first ideas about the project, and then uh we'll close the meeting, and then we can uh individually uh do our things and then uh we'll get back here. So [vocalsound] this the opening we'll uh [disfmarker] We have to uh design a new television remote control. You have heard that uh already I think, so. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Um we want it to be original, so a nice uh a nice new design. Uh trendy, it's [vocalsound] also for young people, and we have to just uh make it uh modern. And uh friendly, so size does matter. And uh [disfmarker] Well it has to be a have the the right uh the right buttons on the right place, that kin those kind of things. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Other uh [disfmarker] There happen to be uh three stages. [gap] functional, conceptual, and d detailed design. Um so every time we we'll do some individual work, get meeting, talk about it, uh and then go into the next phase. That's just it. [vocalsound] Um [disfmarker] We have uh these two Smartboards. Um well as I just showed, there's a project management folder, a project document folder on the desktop. It just works exactly the same as a computer. You just uh click on the on the folder and you open the everything you you put in it with your laptop. So you can uh make uh [vocalsound] Words Excel, everything. Um and the w the r uh the rest uh also works the same so uh when you open a notepad you uh you just get your uh things, you can uh draw. This is a uh well a drawing board. [gap] you have a [disfmarker] these different uh functions on the board. You can see them there. So you have a a nice pen, and it's works just like a bal ball pen. [vocalsound] This is just a [gap]. I want to uh [disfmarker] Oh yeah. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Of course w [vocalsound] doesn't work any more. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Maybe you should try to write on the on the big white uh [disfmarker] Does it? Yeah. It works. [speaker001:] Yes I will [disfmarker] eraser [gap] so. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] Wonderful. [speaker001:] It's fantas fantastic. We can uh uh well you can save a file. So if uh we draw we have to save everything. Don't throw anything away. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Uh just we can start a new one, and we just go on, and don't throw anything away. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Just uh let them all uh stand here. We can delete, but we don't do that. Um you can here select a pen, you can draw anything you want. It's a bit uh childish you have to write. It's not as fast as you w you know it, but it does work sometimes. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [gap]. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Well it's just like a normal uh paint. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] So it's gone. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Alright, yep. [speaker001:] Well we are designers, so we have to have a a more uh a Smartboard. So that's fantastic. Um well this uh speaks for itself. We going to try it. So um we all uh are going to uh draw a nice animal on this board, [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] not my idea. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Alright, your favourite animal? [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yes our your favourite. So um I'm to going to have to draw a kangaroo, [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] but I'm going d I'm not going to. I'm just uh going to uh well draw a nice uh beast [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Grizzly bear. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] w I dunno what I'm going to design. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Oh um [vocalsound] doesn't [disfmarker] oh. [speaker003:] I hope this was part of the assignment and not uh your uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah, 'kay. Hmm? [speaker003:] I hope this was part of the assignment and not uh your personal uh enjoyment. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] I just said it's not my idea [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] but I am the Project Manager, and officially this is my idea. [speaker003:] I I I [vocalsound] I understand. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] So [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] We're kinda losing time, though. [speaker003:] Alright. [speaker001:] what? [speaker004:] We're losing time, but [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Ah [vocalsound] the first the first meeting is just a bit uh loose, loosen up, a bit uh meeting each other [speaker003:] [gap] so start [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Alright. [speaker001:] [gap] well uh uh nice yeah. [vocalsound] Sh [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yep yes. [speaker001:] I hope our Industrial Designer does this better because uh this is uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Don't uh count on it. [speaker001:] No [vocalsound] [vocalsound] so a a few legs. [speaker004:] Do we have to guess? [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yes yes [speaker004:] [vocalsound] A hippo? [vocalsound] [speaker001:] guess. [vocalsound] Well I should make it an hippo now. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] I think it's a mouse or a rat. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] No I don't think so. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Oh. Oh I know it. [speaker001:] Well what is it, huh? [speaker003:] It's a hedgehog. [speaker004:] I don't know how to call it. [speaker001:] Yeah [speaker004:] A hedgehog? [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [gap] difficult English word. I didn't knew it myself [gap]. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [gap]. [speaker003:] Well I'm amazed uh about your uh drawing skills. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Our characteristics sum it up. Well it's uh very [vocalsound] uh painful [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [disfmarker] [vocalsound] those kind of thing. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] So we can uh just uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] We're going back [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] and now uh our Industrial Designer can uh draw its uh most favourite animal. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] I am the Industrial Designer. [speaker004:] Alright. Thank you. [speaker001:] Huh. [speaker003:] Chief, I am the Industrial Designer. [speaker001:] Oh uh but this uh marketing designer. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] I think [disfmarker] It's pr it resembles [vocalsound] the animal drawn by [gap]. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [gap] [speaker004:] It's [gap]. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] what kind of animal is that then? [vocalsound] [speaker003:] I think [disfmarker] can I say it? [speaker004:] Yeah sure. [speaker001:] Uh it [gap]. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] It's a rabbit. [vocalsound] Well [disfmarker] Looks very nice, right? [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] It looks amazing. [speaker001:] No no no. What are you going to do? [vocalsound] [speaker002:] We want to erase it. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] No no. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] No no save it and start a new uh [disfmarker] save it [speaker004:] Yes. [speaker003:] These are very impor [vocalsound] [speaker001:] and start a new black uh doc [gap] a blank document. [speaker003:] These are very important documents, of course, uh these drawings, uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah well we have to save everything [speaker004:] Yes uh right. [speaker001:] so now um the next one uh [disfmarker] [gap] and then save it and start an blank document. [speaker004:] You go man. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Thanks. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yeah. There's also different colours and different uh well pen widths uh the line the the thickness thickness. So um well you should uh try it but uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Alright. I should have made mine a white rabbit. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Well y y y you could have but uh [vocalsound]. [speaker003:] And he deliberately draws a animal we don't know the English word for. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] It speaks for itself. [vocalsound] What the [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] It looks like an uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] uh just a duck. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] It looks like that beast from Sesame Street. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Nice. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [gap]. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Big bird. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Is it a duck? [speaker004:] You're standing in front of it, [speaker003:] It's it's uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] I can't see it. [speaker001:] Is it a plane? [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Alright, thank you. Yeah it's a bird, but what kind of bird? [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] It doesn't draw uh circles uh that easy uh. [speaker003:] Do we have to uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] You have to push harder. [speaker001:] Yeah [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] just a bit a bit childish, a bit [vocalsound]. [speaker003:] But we have uh [vocalsound] do we have to name the specific species of the bird? [speaker004:] Release your anger. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Uh no I don't. [speaker003:] No? [speaker002:] It's just a bird. [speaker003:] Well wonderful. [speaker001:] Well uh save the document and then uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] And then a a new blank document for [gap]. [gap] uh will uh choose a new colour and a new pen width so w we can all see it. [speaker002:] Here you go. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Why do I have to do the difficult tasks? Uh pen [disfmarker] [speaker001:] No well first yeah. [speaker003:] yeah that's [gap]. [speaker001:] And then you go to format I think [vocalsound], [speaker003:] Uh current colour. [speaker001:] and current colour [gap] you choose a new colour. [vocalsound] And a new pen width uh [gap] also format. [speaker003:] I like uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker003:] oh they don't have pink. [vocalsound] Oh b oh [vocalsound] think this is uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] It's not like in paint. [speaker003:] Uh? Uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Line width. And you can choose a nice one. [speaker003:] Line width. [speaker002:] Width. [speaker001:] Width width. [speaker003:] Uh [vocalsound] [vocalsound] fifteen. [speaker001:] With each other. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] And I can draw? [speaker002:] Hmm. [speaker001:] Yeah. [vocalsound] So. Just a wa that's the way we do [gap] [speaker003:] Uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] it's quite easy. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Hmm. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] It's a pussy cat. [speaker004:] It's a cat. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Oh Pussy. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Oh the line width is too thick, but oh well. [speaker001:] Well then you change it. And erase things. [speaker003:] Uh. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] What? [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] It's a pig. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] It smiles nicely. [speaker001:] Super pig. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Now [vocalsound] I have to change the line width. [vocalsound] Uh one [vocalsound] [gap]. [speaker001:] So [disfmarker] [speaker003:] These are [gap] whiskers, you know. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yeah yeah yeah [speaker004:] Right. [speaker001:] we know. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Uh well I think it's obvious right now. [speaker001:] Yes alright. It's a cat. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] No it looks great. [speaker003:] Miaow. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Well if this isn't obvious [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Well well um [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Just save it. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] I'll save it [vocalsound] alright uh save. [speaker001:] Yeah [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] save it [vocalsound] and [vocalsound] start a new blank document. [speaker003:] Uh yeah uh blank. [speaker001:] Yep. So that's uh what we're going to use when we uh need it. [speaker003:] Well I feel comfortable now. [speaker004:] Oh great. [speaker001:] Well [vocalsound] it's terrific, eh? [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Thanks for this exercise. [speaker004:] It's good for group spirit. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] I feel totally at ease. [speaker001:] Yeah that's it. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] It certainly is. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] We're one big happy family now. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah something like that. [speaker001:] Well then uh the serious uh stuff. We're we want to sell it at twenty five Euros internationally um so um but we dunno what exactly th i it is in dollars, but uh twenty five Euros. Our profit aim is, worldwide, fifty million Euros. [speaker003:] So [disfmarker] [speaker001:] So I didn't uh exactly uh calculate how much we have to sell. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [gap] we want to keep it our costs at twelve and a half Euros so, keep uh that in mind when we uh talk about our uh materials an f and stuff, and uh marketing uh research. [speaker004:] Right. [speaker003:] Alright. [speaker001:] Now then we all uh we can uh sit down and discuss uh what do we think about our current remote controls, first [gap] about design uh about uh aim in the market etcetera? [speaker004:] Right. [speaker001:] Well uh we c we can sit down uh because uh presentation can wait. We can uh take notes [vocalsound] and uh [disfmarker] Well who has uh some uh remarks about the current uh remote controls? [speaker003:] Well I I didn't have to prepare anything about uh [disfmarker] [gap] [speaker001:] Please? [vocalsound] No uh I did. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] it's not, it's it's not my task to uh talk about uh experience with current remote controls, but uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Well uh just w we're uh four uh if we if we would just have one then [disfmarker] [speaker004:] I think it's im it's important to uh look at uh the remote controls of our competitors. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Get the good points uh try to merge them into one universal remote control. [speaker001:] Yeah yeah. [speaker004:] On our corporate site I saw uh a new DVD player uh we're gonna produce. [speaker001:] Yep. [speaker004:] Maybe it's important to make it compatible with the DVD player [speaker001:] That's alright. That would be a nice idea, yes. [speaker004:] so you can uh use your television and your DVD player with the same uh remote control. [speaker001:] Yep yep yep. [speaker004:] Furthermore it's important to make it uh acceptable for the whole world, for different cultures, maybe, because we want to we want to [gap] well fifty million? [speaker001:] Yes fifty million is our aim to a profit, so. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] Yeah yeah [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] so a lot of people have to be able to use it. [speaker003:] No but uh the b the buttons have to uh have to have uh international recognisable buttons and uh [speaker004:] So [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Easy to learn. [speaker004:] Yeah. Yeah that's right. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yes. [speaker003:] and numbers and uh that every culture in uh, yeah, people in every country can recognise. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] I'll make uh notes and then uh maybe uh [disfmarker] well I'll put it in the project uh folder when I'm done uh just now. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] Alright. [speaker002:] I also think we should not add too many buttons. [speaker004:] Right. [speaker002:] Modern day uh remotes have [vocalsound] too much buttons I think. [speaker001:] No that's right. Y y you don't use uh the half of them that's that's [gap] [speaker002:] Precisely. [speaker001:] culture uh international. [speaker004:] Maybe we could make one button to switch between DVD player and TV [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] and make the other buttons uh multi-functional or something. [speaker002:] Yeah indeed. [speaker001:] Yes. [speaker003:] Yeah so it doesn't uh become too complicated with too much buttons and uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah right. [speaker001:] Yep, and maybe we do uh [vocalsound] we even have uh more than just a DVD player. Don't we have uh other uh ou [speaker002:] Yeah we should make it compatible perhaps with everything we use, we uh we make? [speaker003:] And stereo uh s uh audio installations. [speaker001:] Uh. We also uh just uh released a TFT uh thing I saw. [speaker004:] Yeah so but th that's kind kind of standard T television so it also works on that. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yep. [speaker002:] And I think the people who who will buy our uh remote already have some experience with remotes. So we can keep that in mind. [speaker003:] Most people do, yeah. [speaker001:] Well yeah. [speaker003:] It doesn't [gap] it doesn't have to be [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] It doesn't have to be, but we can. [speaker002:] W well it's a n it's a new remote and you don't buy a remote if you don't have anything to uh to control with it. [speaker001:] Well except if we deliver it together with our DVD. [speaker004:] Yeah but [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah alright, but [disfmarker] [speaker004:] We need to to keep it consistent with other d uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah [speaker003:] Well. [speaker001:] because we look at competitors and w if we pick up the good things about that and give it a nice design [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Hmm. [speaker004:] Yeah but it's [disfmarker] it has to be useable. [speaker003:] It has to be different and familiar at the same time. [speaker001:] Yes. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. Yeah we could use another form or shape or colour, that kind of things. [speaker001:] Yep. [speaker003:] [gap] yeah the shape will will have to be recognised. I thought about uh like most uh remote controls uh are uh a long box shaped thing [gap] [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] you can make it uh triangle shaped, [speaker004:] [vocalsound] No. [speaker003:] but that's not uh very recognisable. [speaker002:] Well we we could make more more oval or something, and and [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Oo [speaker003:] Oval? [speaker001:] N we can use uh it as a as a game pad. [speaker003:] I [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah or so [speaker001:] So [vocalsound] one hand has the beer, so the other hand uh [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Mm. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Well yeah it's new. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [gap]. Not with two hands. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah yeah yeah, right. No [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [gap] but young people want something different and it is [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Well i we already uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah but it's quite important that it fits. [speaker001:] one of our aims is that it has to be original and trendy so [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Oh but it ha it has to be m yeah. But you still have to know it's a remote and not another [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah alright. [speaker001:] Well there has been done a lot of researches about remotes uh we have to [disfmarker] we can imagine uh because it's a long time uh on the market. So the the form will have [vocalsound] been uh tested out so [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah. Yeah so the long box uh shaped thing must be uh, yeah, useful [speaker001:] Yes. [speaker003:] or else uh they would have been ano another shape. [speaker001:] Well [vocalsound] for me personally I have a [vocalsound] a lot of remotes uh at home but [vocalsound] those ones that have a a round ending and uh well uh just an uh square uh middle [vocalsound] I don't like to use them. I have uh have to [disfmarker] it has to fit my hands. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] When it falls over it and I just have [disfmarker] and then the button that I use most has to be here. [speaker004:] It shouldn't be boxy. [speaker003:] Yeah. Yeah a lo [gap] the long box shape yeah. You have to [vocalsound] use one hand. [speaker001:] It f it fits your hands and then you just push the button that you use most with [gap] thumb. [speaker004:] Nah [disfmarker] I don't agree with the long box uh shape [vocalsound] it it has to be custom made for the hand. [speaker003:] Why not? [speaker002:] Yeah it doesn't fit [gap]. [speaker001:] Tho tho those new DVD players on the market do have those. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] But it does fit in the hand if you hold it like this, and you can make it another shape, [speaker004:] Yeah but if you shape it [disfmarker] [speaker003:] but then you have [disfmarker] [speaker002:] No if y if you look at new Phillips uh DVD [gap] with their uh remotes [vocalsound] pl players [vocalsound] they they are the new remotes aren't box shaped. [speaker004:] If [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] DVD players. Yes. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] W no w what else? [speaker004:] No that's ol old fashioned. [speaker003:] I di [speaker002:] Well [disfmarker] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah well but uh what what what do you suggest then? [speaker004:] I can imagine that us [speaker002:] Yes uh [disfmarker] Well [vocalsound] most of [gap] of them are are somewhat thicker at the end, and get um yeah thinner towards the uh the other end. [speaker004:] Yeah right. It fits in your palms. [speaker003:] Hmm. Well [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker003:] but it's still then uh the the long box, uh but then with some uh round uh [vocalsound] round forms in it to fit your hand, [speaker002:] Yeah it [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Hmm? [speaker001:] Well [disfmarker] A it h it has it it has a that's tha th th shape that it fits your hand. [speaker004:] Um. [speaker003:] but it's it's still [disfmarker] Yeah yeah al alright but but it's still it's still [gap] sort of box, yeah. [speaker001:] That's [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [gap]. [speaker003:] It it has round forms [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Well [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah yea [speaker003:] but it in the end it's still the box, so that's what I mean. [speaker004:] Yeah but it has it has to fit your hand. [speaker003:] Yeah yeah I understand, [speaker004:] It shouldn't be too boxy, you know. [speaker003:] but [disfmarker] no no I don't mean an entire box like completely square [speaker004:] It's [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Hmm. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] No no no. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] but a also with round edges of course, [speaker002:] [gap]. [speaker003:] but in in in at the end it's still this long [vocalsound] box shape with convenient uh round uh shapes uh [vocalsound] to fit. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Right maybe something like this [speaker003:] Yeah yes [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] and then a button here to switch between [vocalsound] different systems like DVD player [speaker003:] I thought about something like that. Yeah. [speaker004:] and so you can [disfmarker] I've [disfmarker] [speaker003:] A big recognisable button on top or something. [speaker004:] Yeah right, and I do think we have to keep this kind of idea with the with the numbers and [vocalsound] [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] We have five minutes left. [speaker003:] The buttons should uh also be not too small, not too big, of course, [speaker004:] Right. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] and uh n uh uh not too close uh together. [speaker001:] Yes uh that's [vocalsound] yep. [speaker004:] But it should be possible to to um make it ap apparent that there are two functions for every button. [speaker001:] Yep. [speaker004:] So there has to be some space between the buttons. [speaker003:] Uh-huh. Yeah of course uh to uh to uh to have icons to explain the different functions. [speaker004:] Yeah. Yeah right right, [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker004:] and maybe we should use colours. [speaker003:] Colours, yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah [gap] maybe we can um just like on cell phones those um well [gap] [vocalsound] you can you can put on on them, [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Ha. [speaker002:] and so you can customise your uh your own remote with different colours or or special paint jobs [vocalsound] [speaker004:] That's kinda trendy. Yeah right. [speaker002:] I dunno but [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Sound nice. Yes. [speaker003:] I think we have to talk also about uh the the materials for um [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Well [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Well it's just uh about our first ideas now [speaker003:] [gap]. [speaker001:] so I think individually we'll have to uh come up with ideas for the next meeting about these materials and markets etcetera. [speaker004:] Right. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] But [disfmarker] [vocalsound] I think it's uh it's important to uh notate all the the decisions that we make, [speaker003:] Already thought about something tha [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yes? Yes. [speaker004:] so we [vocalsound] [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Well thirty minutes we have. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] So um [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] This is about uh what we are going to uh do uh. You'll get specific instructions when you're back in your room so uh it's uh logical uh. I think. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] [gap]. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] No problem. [speaker001:] Oh and uh that's uh that's all. So we'll just get a notice that the the meeting is uh over. [speaker003:] Yeah now we can still talk about the material, [speaker001:] Yeah yes say. [speaker003:] we have some some minutes left uh [gap] [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker003:] I w wrote down uh that the case should be plastic of course, hard plastic, [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] the buttons should be uh rubbery I think uh. [speaker004:] Yeah it shouldn't be too heavy. [speaker002:] [gap]. [speaker003:] No n n [speaker002:] [gap]. [speaker001:] Well I have had remotes that um they had uh the function of the buttons was about uh uh a layer over the buttons and when I've had use it much it was gone. [speaker002:] Yeah that's bad, yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah yeah yeah. [speaker001:] So it has to be made in the buttons I think. It has to uh not be loose. [speaker002:] Yeah that's important [gap]. [speaker003:] Mm. Alright. And of course there are several electrical cables in it to uh [vocalsound] to connect things uh to each other. [speaker001:] Yeah. Is there an a universal uh universal way of um transmitting from the remote to the television so it's all about uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah it's univ yeah yeah yeah. [speaker003:] I think so. It's a a common stan standard way [gap] [speaker001:] It's not that in China it's different? [speaker004:] Yep. [speaker003:] infrared beams an infrared beam I think [gap]. [speaker001:] Yeah. But y you can have uh of course different between DVDs and televisions and between [disfmarker] [speaker004:] And you can use [disfmarker] [speaker003:] It it's a we we make an a universal remote so it ha has to work with uh all kinds of brands and things. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. But our TVs are mostly made in China and that sort of country, so [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Probably yes. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] China rules. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] And have [disfmarker] well yeah I've wrote something down about how it works. [vocalsound] The user presses a button and with an infrared beam it signals the television set accordingly, [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] But are [disfmarker] [speaker003:] but that's pretty obvious, I think. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Are we going w uh with the front uh fronts uh idea? [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Well I think uh w we can look into that in the in the next uh thirty minutes. [speaker004:] I think [vocalsound] we should make it universal [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] and you can always use a front front on it, you know? You can use it [vocalsound] just plain [speaker001:] Yes. [speaker004:] but you can [vocalsound] [disfmarker] To make it more trendy. [speaker002:] [gap]. [speaker001:] Well j just y you get a n a normal front with it, but you can change them uh when you buy the [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Right. [speaker002:] Yes. Yes. [speaker004:] Right. [speaker001:] And we should uh dispatch those kind of fronts fronts a a around the world so uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker002:] Well you can make profit with them, and it's [vocalsound] a way to make them trendy. [speaker001:] Well th those fifty million don't uh don't se sells itself [vocalsound] so we have to uh make uh some extra effort like fronts uh. [speaker003:] Well but th but the standard front will be uh just grey or something [speaker004:] Yeah right. [speaker002:] Yeah alright [vocalsound]. Yeah normal. [speaker003:] uh b a simple colour not not very flashy. [speaker001:] Yes. Yeah well it has to it h it has to fit the the te television and DVD set we are going to sell, [speaker002:] No a colour everyone accepts. [speaker001:] so if they are uh black and black black and silver we'll make them black and silver so [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker003:] Pink television sets [vocalsound] pink remote, [gap]. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker004:] Yeah yeah yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. [gap] standard. [speaker004:] But people of often don't like bright colours or something. [speaker001:] [gap]. [speaker004:] We have to make it grey or s or black. [speaker002:] Well young people s li [speaker004:] Yeah but then you can use [vocalsound] a a front. [speaker002:] Yeah yeah, yeah. [speaker003:] Alright. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] I must not forget my pen the next time. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Well if if you [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] yeah. [vocalsound] If you have a a a television room for little children and you make a if if you buy a a pink front they'll they'll love it. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah that's right. [speaker001:] I think. [speaker004:] Yeah or a t Teletubby front. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] But that's uh marketing uh research you can uh you can ask uh. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah yeah yeah. I will investigate. [speaker001:] Yes. [vocalsound] Well our user interface you can uh maybe uh [gap] I don't know what your specific instructions will be, but uh probably about uh the precision of the buttons and and those kind of things and what buttons will have to be on the uh remote. And you will look into the technical design and um form, I think. [speaker003:] Mm yeah also the the look and feel uh of the the remote's also my task, yeah. [speaker001:] Or something like that. Yeah. Yeah. [speaker004:] Right. [speaker002:] What's the uh url or the website 'cause I didn't get [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah I uh w was wondering that too. Y you went to the company website [gap]. [speaker001:] Euro? [speaker004:] It's [disfmarker] Yeah yeah yeah just if you start up your Internet Explorer [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Well it it it's [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] if you uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] It's the the the start uh starting page uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Oh oh right oh well I didn't uh use it [gap]. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Finish meeting now. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Oh alright. [vocalsound] Well uh we're going to back uh back into our rooms so [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yes. [speaker004:] Well that's great. [speaker002:] Next meeting is in [disfmarker] [speaker001:] In thirty minutes, [speaker004:] Thirty minutes. [speaker002:] Thirty minutes. [speaker001:] but uh I think it will be [disfmarker] you will be warned uh through your laptop uh to get over here. [speaker002:] Yeah alright it's it's handy to know [gap] [vocalsound] [disfmarker] [speaker001:] I'll have to restore my uh my desktop uh [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Very handy to know. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] It's totally broken. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] because uh [vocalsound] it's it's the half of the normal size. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Right see you in half an hour then. [speaker001:] Oh right, oh. [speaker002:] Oh. [vocalsound] Goodbye. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] W [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Ma [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Oh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] S [speaker001:] W [vocalsound] that was a nice meeting. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [gap]. [speaker002:] [gap]. [speaker003:] Right uh see you in thirty minutes then. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah, see you. [vocalsound]

[speaker001:] Okay uh Agnes, you can help me for the slide when [gap] [speaker003:] Yep. Sure. [speaker001:] okay. Okay, welcome back. I hope uh you have a fresh head and a fresh time. How t now the meeting actually we gathering here to discuss about the functional design meeting. Okay, and uh we'll issue some information from uh all of you. And it's in the, I think uh, in the sharing folder. And uh I will invite uh the Christine and the Ed and uh Agnes to discuss about on the various subjects. So can you go to the next slide? Yeah uh the agenda of the meeting is opening. Then uh I'm going to talk about uh the project management, what I'm going to do, and uh, of course, I'm doing the project management and secretary both, okay, to take the minutes of the meeting. And there are three presentations. One is uh new project requirements. And the second one about uh decision on remote control functions. And uh finally we are closing. Uh and the meeting time will be uh forty minutes, so you have to be very quick. And I have come up with the [disfmarker] management come with the new proposal, okay, and I have to discuss a few points on this. Uh both says new insights in the aim of your project. Uh the one is uh the teletext becomes uh outmoded, okay because if uh because of the computer systems and the new technology. So we don't need to consider really about the teletext all in our new project design. And the second one is about uh the remote control. Should be used only for the TV. That's what our uh management says. And the third point, it's very very important to establish our uh marketing or uh corporate image, okay, with this new project or new product. Okay. [vocalsound] So I will invite uh [disfmarker] Agnes, can you go to the third slide? [speaker003:] No, this is the third slide. [speaker001:] Okay, [gap]. So, I'll invite uh Christine to discuss about uh the functional design. [speaker002:] 'Kay, do you wanna open the [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Sure. Um. You're participant s [speaker002:] I'm number two. [speaker003:] Two? [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] That's it. [speaker003:] Do you want the mouse, or do you want me to [disfmarker] [speaker002:] I'll do the notes. Yeah, thanks. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] So um well I I figured uh we should um identify some user requirements, and from my experience, I wanna uh, and from [vocalsound] research I did, uh the the device has to turn the television on and off the first time you press on the big button, you can't uh can't have like uh waffling on this point, you know. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Really have [disfmarker] It needs to be able y y have to be able to find it. Because one of the biggest problems with remote controls is finding them. So uh, I also, since we have to establish our corporate image on the basis of this new product, thought we better look at things that are popular and um ex go beyond those, and, as I said in the first meeting, um [vocalsound] and then uh we might wanna talk eventually about the materials that are appropriate to use in uh in the construction, especially in the the uh the outside of the product [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] so that it gives the appearance, and it is reliable, and so forth. [vocalsound] I did a little history on uh the the uh remote controls and when they were invented and so forth, so, I guess this guy Zenith uh created the Flashmatic, which I kinda like the idea, 'cause it made me think of um um maybe the remote control made a big flash when uh you turn the TV on and off, that might be interesting. And um [vocalsound] so it was highly directional flash light that uh you could turn the picture on and off, and the sound on and off, and change channels c so I think um those are still requirements we have today, uh fifty years later. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] And uh it was really a pioneering innovation, but it was uh sensitive to the sun, so that uh it would get [disfmarker] would start off by the [disfmarker] you'd get [disfmarker] it would easily cause um problems. So, uh I [disfmarker] in addition to uh looking at the um [vocalsound] uh the functional requir so all these devices are examples of where uh mm [disfmarker] they [vocalsound] represent examples that are available today [vocalsound] [vocalsound] which I think the one in the middle is r um really uh something to keep in mind. [speaker004:] Fantastic. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] It'd be easy to find. And um it would uh y you'd [vocalsound] [disfmarker] you could throw it at things if if the TV didn't turn on and off, you could use it for something else. And since I'm not really um [vocalsound] Industrial Designer, I didn't really know what to do with this slide. But um [vocalsound] I just [vocalsound] took some [vocalsound] different uh schematics and I put them into this, and I guess this is what a slide might look like if you were drawing a circuit board. [gap] I don't know why um we were asked to do this. So, uh [vocalsound] personal preferences, [vocalsound] um [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] I think we could uh I I'm really thinking outside the box here, and I think that we should consider perhaps having an an an a a size uh [vocalsound] [disfmarker] a remote control that changes in size depending on the user preference. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] So something that's very very flexible and inflatable and then you could shrink it. I think um it could either be [disfmarker] you could go either one extreme, be very colourful, or you could make it clear, and um kind of blend in with things, so you didn't have to um [vocalsound] uh have a problem with the th the decoration of the [disfmarker] of the user's home. Um I think uh it needs to be waterproof, because uh sometimes they fall into cups and, you know, [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] it might be out by the swimming pool or something like that. Um [vocalsound] if you uh mi one of [disfmarker] one of my requirements was about needs t to tell you when it's done its job or not, because half the time, I keep pushing on the remote control, and I don't know if it's actually understood my message, so I think it should give you some sort of an oral cue. And uh, course I never wanna replace the battery. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] So, that's [disfmarker] those are my f preferences, and that's my presentation. [speaker001:] Yeah, let me uh interrupt you uh if you can add other facility, other feature, like uh unbreakable. [speaker002:] Yes. [speaker001:] Okay, because uh especially today, you know, you have the family and the kids, [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] okay, and the kids throw it and they they play with their remotes [speaker002:] Run over it with a car. [speaker001:] and [gap]. Yes. Okay, so if you can add the feature, okay, for your uh fabric whatever in your outline design okay, with unbreakable, okay, I think that will give a lot of advantage for our product, [speaker002:] Good idea. Good idea, [speaker001:] if I'm not wrong. Maybe you can uh add it in that. [speaker002:] I'll I'll uh um [disfmarker] Yes, very good. [speaker001:] Okay, uh thank you Christine, and uh uh any questions or uh clarifications, or any discussion on the functional design? [speaker003:] Do you have any preconceived ideas in terms of materials? 'Cause, for example, in the unbreakable thing, doing something plastic would be harder, whereas having something like, I dunno, steel or titanium isn't really economically viable. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Hmm. Titanium. Titanium would be [vocalsound] be heavy, too, [speaker004:] Titanium. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] wouldn't it? [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] No, I haven't really um [disfmarker] I wanted feedback, I think we need to rate [disfmarker] rank these, [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] but we'll see what your uh personal preferences are and your thoughts. [speaker003:] Sure, yeah. No, I just wondering whether [disfmarker] that you had any sort of [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] I like titanium. It's light. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Expensive. [speaker002:] Uh [vocalsound] yeah [speaker003:] [vocalsound] The marketing comes out. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] but uh who who said [disfmarker] who said we were, [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yes. [speaker002:] you know, nobody told me how mu what our financial objective is, so um [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yeah so [disfmarker] [speaker002:] It'd be hard to inflate something ou made out of titanium though [vocalsound]. [speaker001:] Yeah the the [disfmarker] I'm sorry [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] because uh the last meeting we supposed to discuss about the financial thing. Uh let me go quickly, maybe if I can go back [vocalsound]. I know the project plan and the budget. So I can close this, [gap] not sure. Was in uh [disfmarker] S This. So let me see where is this file. [speaker003:] That's Christine's. [speaker001:] This is Christine. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] And that's mine, I think. [speaker001:] That's yours, okay. Saving. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [gap] [speaker003:] In modified. [speaker004:] I don't know, I think verbally we can [disfmarker] we can pretty much sell. [speaker001:] Okay, uh I will [disfmarker] I will send you a mail, okay? The project may be the the project aim, okay. At the end of the day, the company uh wants to make at least uh the fifty million Euro. Okay, and uh of course the price will be very reasonable on the the sales side. Okay, that maybe Eddie will talk to you about uh how much uh the price and uh what's uh [disfmarker] how much its cost for the manufacturing and how much it's going to be [disfmarker] we sell in the market. Okay. Then uh you can come back with your feedback. And I I have one [disfmarker] maybe the suggestion or opinion. This remote control, okay, it can be for like universal, to use for any TV. Okay, and it will be slim, okay, [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Not fat? [speaker001:] and uh [disfmarker] Not fat. [speaker002:] Not fat, huh. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Might be hard to find, though. [speaker001:] Yep. [speaker004:] Hmm. [speaker001:] But let's try it, okay, with the different uh [disfmarker] the designs, okay, the functional designs. [speaker002:] Oh, okay. [speaker001:] Okay? So any other questions? [speaker004:] Uh from her side, I don't think uh there's too many more questions. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] If you can come to the [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Thank you Christine for uh time being, so then uh Ed, so can you tell about [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Okay, from the marketing [disfmarker] yeah, from the marketing side, just to to give an idea what the management is looking for, I was looking for a a remote control to have a s [speaker003:] S 'scuse me for one sec. [speaker004:] I have a sales price of twenty-five Euro, with a production price of uh twelve and a half Euro. For what uh I think from what we're trying to find, we're tr we're looking for, I don't think that price is exactly in the market. Okay? [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] I'll explain myself here now in the sense that uh in a [disfmarker] in the recent surveys, uh from the ages [disfmarker] fr from fifteen to thirty-five, eighty percent are willing to spend more money for something as fancy as trendy. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Twenty-five Euros, uh that's that's a preson reasonable price. That's a market price right now. Now if we're gonna take a risk, and push this up a bit, make it more expensive, [speaker001:] Yep. [speaker004:] but give them added things that they don't have now, [speaker001:] Yep. [speaker004:] then it w it could possibly sell. Obviously the risk is there. Too expensive, they're not gonna buy. But, I think uh there's one other thing interesting [disfmarker] two things that are interesting [gap] is that uh from the fifteen to thirty-five year-old group, which always spends more money on trendy new things, speech recognition is requested. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Speech recognition?. [speaker004:] And we're talking between seventy-five to ninety percent of this group is willing to pay for speech recognition on a remote. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] Obviously, we can't make a remote into a computer, but maybe simple commands. I dunno, louder, softer, on, off. That might be a possibility, even though it costs more, to be the first on the market to produce this. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Thirty-five percent say they're too difficult to use. So we have to figure out a way of making it um more user friendly. [vocalsound] Uh fifty percent say they can't find the remote half the time. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] So maybe one word speech recognition commands, say remote, and there's a beep beep beep, and they can find it through, you know, ten tons of newspapers, magazines, whatever you have at home. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] But, in the cost that uh the management is looking for, that's not gonna be possible. But if it's trendy, if it's fancy, it's got some colour to it, if it's very easy [disfmarker] easy to use, if it's got simple remote [disfmarker] speech remote uh control, like I said, louder, softer, change channel, on, off, remote, it goes beep beep, I can find my my remote without spending half a day looking for it and getting all upset 'cause I can't turn the TV on. So we're gonna have to look at it in a [vocalsound] in this global idea, with the ideas of the industrial uh design. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] But, price obviously we have to talk about. [speaker001:] Yep. So what do you think about uh the design [gap]? Do you think you can make it or uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] D uh I'm sorry? [vocalsound] [speaker001:] What do you think about uh the design, uh what he was talking about [disfmarker] of the speech recognition? [speaker004:] Speech recognition. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Well, uh training is always an issue with uh commands. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] So um [disfmarker] might uh [disfmarker] we can perhaps um [vocalsound] do it if the user is willing to spend some time in the training process, uh it could reduce th th uh the overall um cost. Not sure how. [vocalsound] But um anyway, um [vocalsound] I I think also that uh this might impact the battery life. And um so, maybe what we'll have to do is um add something where you can um recharge it wirelessly so that uh [vocalsound] y you know sen send power to it. So uh or maybe uh set it out in the sun and it uh, you know, gets uh, from the light, um a a solar cell inside there [speaker003:] Hmm. [speaker002:] so that uh you have enough uh juice to do all these fancy things. [speaker003:] It seems also like with the speech recognition, yeah, it's a great feature, but if you're watching TV, there's a lot of ambient sound, and it's words. It's not just, you know, noises like something hitting. It's actual speech, so then you have to make sure that the speech recognizer is good enough to filter out the TV speech, and the the user's speech. Otherwise, you can say remote. [speaker002:] Off. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] But if someone on the screen is saying the same thing, all of a sudden, you have someone in a movie saying off and your screen dies, because they've triggered the remote control and it's turned off your TV. [vocalsound] So, I think if we can find a speech recognizer that can handle those types of problems, then yeah, it'd be a really good marketing gimmick. [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker003:] But, I think we seriously need to consider how that would impact the situation. [speaker002:] Very good point. [speaker004:] Because tha w [vocalsound] with speech recognition uh th I'm not that good at that idea but th [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] if it's a one-word recognition, 'cause I know with telephones and cars and things I've seen in the States, [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] [gap] a friend of mine says call Mom, and it calls up Mom. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] 'Kay the radio can be on and everything. [speaker001:] Yep. [speaker004:] Because I think s with speech recognition, if uh the the remote or like the telephone [vocalsound] [disfmarker] it has a exact word that it has to hear. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] I don't think it would come through a sentence in a television. If somebody's speaking on the se the television, they're not gonna stop and say remote, okay. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] So I think that uh something could be designed to recognise single word [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Oh yeah. Yeah. [speaker004:] Like the t like the telephone. [speaker003:] No, I think it's a great idea if we can design it to to suit those requirements. [speaker004:] No because I [gap] this is this is years ago in the United States where we're driving down and he said call home, and the telephone called immediately [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] so well, that's kinda cute. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Well, what I can uh suggest to you, Christine, okay, uh if you need some uh [disfmarker] the technical feedback, or some training, okay, about uh this facility, especially for the speech recognition, I can recommend you some companies like uh Intel or IBM, okay, because they're already in this uh speech recognition part, okay. And uh you can maybe have some uh technical backup from them, some kind of a technical tie-up. Okay, and uh if you want, I can coordinate, okay, to get some information, okay, and uh you can uh let me know, okay, so what kind of uh the details you require okay, to add this feature in this project. I don't think it's uh the difficult. And uh we need to know how much is the timeframe you need to develop, apart from uh what [gap] today. [speaker002:] Okay, we'll find that out. [speaker001:] Yep. [speaker004:] From from your side uh, you're gonna have to go back the management and s be more s precise. [speaker001:] Yes. [speaker004:] What do they want? [speaker001:] Yes. [speaker004:] Uh [vocalsound], a risk, take a risk on the market? Something that's gonna cost more, but could very easily s make a boom in the market? [speaker001:] Yes. Yep. [speaker004:] Because it has to be something totally different, has to be total totally new. Something that nobody has right now. [speaker001:] Yeah but [speaker004:] And it's gonna cost. [speaker001:] but end of the day, you're the sales guy, so I will come back and sit on your head because uh you are going to give your sales projection, [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] okay. It's uh of course it's uh good to uh tell the management how much it's cost us [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] and how much you are going to benefit, [speaker004:] Sure. Sure. [speaker001:] okay. And uh, so I don't mind to convince, okay, the management to spend some more money on the project, okay, if you can make out of [speaker004:] Obviously. [speaker001:] the money from this project. [speaker004:] If the bottom line is positive. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yes, okay [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] I don't mind to convince the the management, [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker001:] okay. The management says, okay, so they they don't want certain facilities, which it's already worked, okay, they want something uh new, okay. I think uh like uh speech recognit definitely they will agree, I don't think they'll say no for that, okay. And uh I hope I can convince the management on that, okay. So if you have any uh new ideas, okay, for uh your [disfmarker] you can always come up and uh you can tell me if you need any uh s special, okay, coordination, okay, between any uh technical companies, which you can uh hide their technology backup, okay, for your uh functional design or technical design, okay, then I am ready to do that. And uh what's your comments about uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Um well, I mean, maybe if I go through my presentation, you can sort of see what the user perspective is, and how it ties into the other two comments. [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker001:] Yeah, so you are finish, Ed, uh so I can uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yes. Mm. [speaker001:] Okay, I'll uh hand over to Agnes. Just gonna close this. T Uh where are you, here? [speaker003:] Mm participant three. [speaker001:] Participant three. [speaker003:] Nope, here [gap] [speaker001:] Okay, so I'll [disfmarker] yep. Okay. [speaker003:] Good. Thanks. [speaker001:] Is it okay? Alri [speaker003:] Yeah, and that's fine. Okay. So, basically, the method that we usually use in the user interface design is that we need to look at what people like and what people don't like about existing products. So, in our case, existing remote controls. And then, what the good ideas are, and what the bad ideas are, and why they're bad and good, which isn't always as obvious. We seem to have intuitions about why things are good or things are bad, but when you look, technically, at how it works, sometimes that's not the case. Then we need to decide what functionalities we really want to keep, 'cause that'll feed into both Ed's work and Christine's work. Um and then what the remote control should look like, obviously, once we've got a good idea of what the functionalities are. So, in terms of the functionalities that we need, you obviously need to be able to turn the TV on and off. You need to change channels, both by directly going to a specific channel or by channel surfing. You need to be able to control the volume and then control any menus on the TV to regulate contrast or whatever. So, the problems that people have expressed is that there's too many buttons on remote controls, in general. The buttons [disfmarker] it's not clear what they're supposed to do. Um often, you need to know specific button sequences [vocalsound] to get certain functionalities done, um which you don't necessarily always remember, especially if it's a functionality that you don't use very often. And that the buttons are too small. So, here we've got two examples where here on the left-hand side, you can see a remote control that has lots and lots of buttons. The buttons, in a lot of cases, are tiny. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Um they're hard to see, and okay, they're labelled, but the labels don't necessarily tell you too much. Whereas, on the other side, you have a much simpler remote control that I think basically has the minimum functionalities [vocalsound] that are needed. And it sort of looks simpler and just less imposing when you first look at it. So, I would be inclined to go sort of towards this, in terms of design, rather than this. And if there's specific functionalities that require more buttons, then we can figure out how to do it with existing um buttons. So my personal preferences are to keep the number of buttons to a limit, or to a minimum, sorry, make frequently used buttons bigger and more strategically placed, so like the on button being really obvious one, the channel changing and the volume, and to keep the design basically sleek and simple. [speaker001:] Click mm. [speaker003:] Which, I think ties into what Christine and Ed have both said fairly reasonably. Um so, that's pretty much it, an I don't know if you guys have any questions or [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Oh, it's um, seems [vocalsound] very understandable. Clearly your research and uh [disfmarker] and ours uh heading in the same direction, [speaker003:] Yep. [speaker002:] and um uh the only thing that I saw missing from uh your your research that we found was this uh ability to find the doggone thing when you need it. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yes, that's true. Yeah. [speaker002:] So uh, you know, but that's okay. That's why we're all here at the table, so that if we think of it and our research indicates certain things and um w we it's complementary. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] I also think that um uh th f the the feel of it is uh, when you hold it, is something that um uh was expressed more in in in in my uh design [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. Yeah. [speaker002:] and that's logical and normal 'cause those are the parameters that an Industrial Designer's more thinking about, th th the look and the feel, [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] and uh, you're [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Oh, that's definitely a very important factor, especially to users who are gonna be buying the thing and then using it almost on an [disfmarker] daily basis in a lot of cases, I think. [speaker002:] First. Yep. Mm-hmm. [vocalsound] Okay, so I don't have any questions. Sounds good. [speaker001:] So [vocalsound] for anybody need uh any help, for time being, on this uh subjects, okay, so please come back to me, [speaker003:] Oh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] and uh Christine, maybe I can uh try to help you to get some uh the technical uh the companies to help you for uh make a design uh slim, okay, and to add some features, like we are talking about, the speech recognition and all. [speaker003:] Should we maybe make a decision about what features we actually want to include, [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] 'cause we've thrown a lot of features onto the table, but do we actually want to incorporate all of them, or have we missed anything? [speaker004:] Hmm. [speaker002:] Do you wanna go back and look at the closing slide, maybe that would provide some guidance? [speaker003:] Sure. [speaker002:] Doesn't really tell us. [speaker001:] So not really this one we are talk ab [speaker004:] Individual actions. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Well it says individual actions, it says user interf [speaker001:] Yep. [speaker002:] so I'm supposed to do the components concept, supposed to work on the user interface concept, [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] and you're supposed to keep watching the trends. Um and specific instructions will be sent by our our coach. I think we should [vocalsound] do as many features as uh [disfmarker] start with all of them right now [speaker003:] I thought [disfmarker] [speaker002:] and eliminate them later in the process, that's my suggestion. [speaker001:] Okay, that will be great. [vocalsound] And uh I'll send you the the minutes of meet [speaker002:] [vocalsound] You can object if you want to [vocalsound] [speaker003:] No, [speaker004:] [vocalsound] She's objecting. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] I I'm just thinking in terms of time, like if [disfmarker] [vocalsound] Yes, now I'm objecting. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] No, I mean, I was just thinking is it really practical to start designing something with features that we're just gonna end up throwing away? I mean, it takes a lot of time and effort for everyone to consider different features, um and s if we spend that time and effort on features that we're not gonna use, maybe it's better to spend it on the f thinking more about features that we actually do want, but [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Oh th [vocalsound] we s we still have [disfmarker] [speaker002:] I think we should take that as an action item for after the meeting, [speaker003:] guess [disfmarker] [speaker002:] 'cause w our meeting time has run out. [speaker004:] Yeah. Right. [speaker002:] Somebody else has go to use this room, [speaker003:] Sure. [speaker002:] and, you know, we can't hang out here [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] and talk about this, so [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah. Sure. [speaker001:] Okay, what we'll do is now we'll take for lunch break, okay, then uh we can discuss furthermore, okay, with our areas, and uh then we will come back again in the [disfmarker] in the next meeting. So thanks for coming and uh I'll send you minutes of meeting, and uh please put your all information in the sharing folder so everybody can share the information. Okay? [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker001:] So let's go for lunch then. [speaker002:] Thank you very much. [speaker004:] Agreed. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Thank you.

[speaker004:] I wanna find our if our remote works. [speaker001:] Me too. [speaker004:] Oh. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Okay. Um here's the agenda for our last meeting. [speaker004:] Whoohoo. [speaker001:] Um after the opening we're going to have a prototype presentation, then we're going to discuss the evaluation criteria and the financing of our remote. Then we're going to evaluate the product and I think the whole production process, and then we're gonna close it up, and we have forty minutes, so let's get started. Oh, no, let's have the prototype presentation. [speaker002:] Mm 'kay, [speaker003:] [gap] [speaker002:] you ready? [speaker003:] Um sure. You or me? [speaker002:] Y you read that stuff, since you wrote it. [speaker003:] Okay. Well, since our materials aren't exactly what we were going for, I'm just gonna translate what this all means for you. [speaker002:] I'll be the Vanna. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] The base is gonna be gunmetal gray, which is what we had decided, and it's gonna be plastic. Um then there's the latex cover, which is what you see as red. Um because it can be replaceable, we just kinda went with the colour. [speaker001:] Right. [speaker003:] Um and then the buttons are actually kind of poking through rather than on top. Um and the buttons will be a l much lighter blue, almost see-through. [speaker001:] Hmm. [speaker003:] It's just sort of a very pale blue and a light-up yellow. [speaker004:] That's nice. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] The whole thing lights up if you press any button, rather than it [disfmarker] just that one button will light up. [speaker004:] Good. [speaker003:] Um and then at the bottom we have our logo. Um bright yellow sort of design with the RR [vocalsound] which will actually look like our logo. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Great. [speaker003:] And then on the side you have the buttons. [vocalsound] They're one button, but they kind of push up and down. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] I don't think they're scrolling. [speaker002:] No. They're just buttons. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Right, yeah. And then [disfmarker] yeah, the buttons. [speaker002:] On off switch will be here and as you've noticed on our prototype um they've ended up with a curvature kind of, by concave sort of thing, except for, you know, [gap] can't see underneath. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] So I'm hoping that when we get to production we can actually make them like that, because they're very nice to stock [gap] you know, stick your finger in. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Um the two squared buttons are are two probably least used, menu, mute, [speaker003:] Thumb-shaped. [speaker002:] and then these are the numbers, so our channel and our volume will be on either side. [speaker003:] Yeah. And then the last thing is just that it'll be black labelling on top, just which we didn't do. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Okay. And did you determine um the curvature of the bottom part of it for the hand, is it gonna be a single or a double? [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] I'd say a single. [speaker001:] Single. [speaker003:] Single. [speaker001:] Single sounds good, 'cause it's not big enough to really constitute a double. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Right. [speaker002:] Yeah, it's only actually the size of my hand. [speaker001:] Great. Great. I think you did an awesome job. [speaker004:] Yeah, I think it's a beautiful [disfmarker] [speaker001:] It is beautiful, and it's everything that we discussed. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah. Good job, you guys. [speaker001:] Good job. [speaker003:] Oh thank you. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Whoohoo. [speaker004:] Those are really good. [speaker001:] Alright [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [gap] [speaker001:] what's next in our agenda? Um we're gonna discuss the evaluation criteria, and that's with Courtney. [speaker004:] Okay, it's a PowerPoint presentation. I don't really know exactly what we should uh talk about. It's under evaluation. [speaker001:] Right. [speaker004:] Alright. Um so these are the criteria we're gonna ask, is it easy to use, is it fashionable uh [disfmarker] yeah, I guess we should write these down so we can reference them. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker003:] Feel good meaning what? [speaker004:] Like does it feel good, like [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Physically, [speaker004:] yeah, physically. [speaker001:] Right. [speaker003:] okay. [gap] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Sqi [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] That's just for current trend. [speaker001:] Right. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] It doesn't really count, you guys. [speaker002:] Yeah, it was a little difficult to incorporate the cover with the cherry fruit on it. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah. But it's [disfmarker] so we do have removable covers, right? [speaker003:] [gap] [speaker001:] Right. [speaker002:] Yes. [speaker004:] Yeah, well then that's covered. And so we n k [speaker001:] 'Kay. [speaker004:] everybody have that? [speaker001:] I'll wait. [speaker004:] Yeah, she's got it. It's good. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. Okay so, we're using the criteria uh for a seven point scale, and so we need to discuss how we feel. It falls within this range, so for easy to use, do we feel it's very easy to use? [speaker001:] Are we going to indi [speaker003:] True or false, easy to use. [speaker001:] I say we individually rate [disfmarker] what do you say? [speaker004:] You guys [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker001:] Just orally. Why not? We have [disfmarker] okay. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker001:] Um easy to use. I vote six. [speaker004:] Oh wait, that's false. [speaker001:] Oh, [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] two. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker002:] I'd say two as well. [speaker003:] Yeah, two. [speaker004:] Two. That's what I say. [speaker001:] Uh hello, we're great. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Okay, fashionable? [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Um one. [speaker002:] At the moment, no. [speaker004:] No. [speaker001:] No. [speaker004:] I mean like no, I think it's very fashionable. [speaker001:] Me too, very chic. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] I thi I would give it a one. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] One, I give it a one. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] I'll give it a two, because at the moment it's not looking that way. [speaker004:] Well, that's that's just like [disfmarker] that's a clay, it's a prototype. [speaker001:] Oh, and ma it's a prototype, right. [speaker004:] What do you think? [speaker003:] Mm I don't think it's that fashionable. I'd give it like three or four. [speaker001:] Well, now I'm [gap]. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] So, the average is about a two. [speaker004:] Yeah, it's a two. [speaker003:] But then I'm not fashionable, so [speaker001:] Two or three. [speaker003:] don't use my opinion. [speaker001:] Two point five. [speaker004:] That's okay. Yeah. [speaker002:] Neither are all o all the customers we have, either. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Um does it feel good? [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Imagine, since we obviously don't have that. [speaker004:] I feel like [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Does it feel good? [speaker002:] Uh the shape of it actually does uh. [speaker001:] And it's i it is very ergonomically designed. It's gonna be curved. [speaker003:] Yeah, it's gonna be thicker. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Depth. [speaker004:] I think it feels good. [speaker001:] I think so too. [speaker004:] I'll give it a two. [speaker001:] 'Kay. Two. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] I'll give it a one. [speaker004:] What do you say? [speaker002:] I'd say a two. [speaker001:] Alright, average is two. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker001:] Is it technologically innovative? Oh sorry I'm taking over your job here. [speaker004:] Oh no, it's fine, [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] you're [disfmarker] I mean you're Project Manager. [speaker001:] Go right ahead. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Um yeah, I mean and it [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] does it have voice [disfmarker] I mean the phrase recognition on it? [speaker001:] Yes. Right? We were able to do it with that kind of chip. [speaker003:] Oh right, the [disfmarker] [speaker002:] We could do it with the chip, yes. It wasn't [disfmarker] we have no reflection of it on the prototype, [speaker004:] And there's no way you can represent it on here. Y [speaker001:] Yeah, right. [speaker002:] but that's because it's only two dimensions, really. [speaker001:] That was [disfmarker] 'kay. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah, so. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] And we discussed that being included. [speaker003:] Right. [speaker004:] Then yes, then I would [disfmarker] well it isn't [disfmarker] what else would it need for it to be technologically innovative? [speaker002:] It [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Well we don' have the [disfmarker] you know, we can't say channel, and it changes the channel, channel eight. [speaker004:] And it doesn't cover anything other then TV, so I'd probably give it a three. [speaker001:] Right. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] Even though it is [disfmarker] for just a TV remote it's uh very advanced. But it is just a TV remote. [speaker001:] Yeah. I'd go for a three or four on that one, so [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah I go four. [speaker001:] okay, let's go for a three point five. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Three and an half. [speaker001:] Alright, and the last criteria [disfmarker] is it is it um [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Squishy and fruity. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Well yeah, so I'd give it a two. [speaker001:] Well, we've covered that with the [speaker003:] It's just trendy, basically. [speaker001:] trendy. [speaker002:] It's capable of being squishy and fruity. [speaker001:] Sure. Capable. Very capable. [speaker004:] Oh, it's very capable of being squishy and fruity. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker001:] And [vocalsound] it's very important. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] 'Kay, there we go. [speaker004:] Okay, next. [speaker001:] So. Next. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] So um our re model slightly resembling a giant delicious cookie appears to be a winner, and uh hopefully we'll sell millions. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Good job, team. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] How did you get that in there? [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] What? [speaker002:] The [vocalsound] slightly resembling a giant delicious cookie. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] It does. [speaker004:] It [vocalsound] it does. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] That was good. [speaker004:] Thanks. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Very good. Alright, let's go back to this [disfmarker] [vocalsound] No, that's it. Hmm. Oops. Okay, so now uh we're moving on to finance, okay. I'm gonna show you an Excel spreadsheet and we're going to fill it in together based on what components we're including in our remote and see if it's under twelve fifty Euro. If so, we can proceed, if not, we need to go back to the drawing board a little bit. 'Kay? So let me bring that up. Here we go. Alright. Um it's not hand dynamo, it's powered by battery, so we give it a [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yep. [speaker004:] Two. [speaker001:] Number of components you plan to use. Do I just put quantity being one battery, or [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Mm 'kay. [speaker001:] But if it's a [disfmarker] do you wanna go for [disfmarker] this is where we need to make a final call on if it's a lithium or do we wanna go triple As, 'cause triple As we're gonna have t do more than one battery. Oh, let's just go for a lithium. What do you say? [speaker004:] Yeah, let's let's do a lithium. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [gap] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yeah, [speaker001:] [vocalsound] I think uh [speaker002:] it's [gap]. [speaker001:] I think the people who purchase this are gonna be technologically [speaker004:] We're gon that's gon Nologically advanced, [speaker001:] [disfmarker] right. [speaker004:] yeah. [speaker001:] Okay, down to the electronics um section. We're gonna need this kind, correct, if we do the voice sensor, [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yep. [speaker001:] so one of those. It is a single-curved, so one of those. [speaker004:] Uh [gap]. [speaker001:] Oh. What's that? Yeah, that's correct. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] 'Kay, down here, case material. [speaker003:] It's plastic. [speaker004:] We [disfmarker] plastic. [speaker001:] Plastic. [speaker004:] And special colour. [speaker003:] And special colour. [speaker001:] 'Kay. [vocalsound] Down here, interface type. We're gonna have the integrated scroll scroll wheel. [speaker003:] No, we don't have the scroll. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Isn't [disfmarker] oh those are just regular buttons. [speaker004:] But it's [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Well, that's the push-button too, right there. [speaker003:] Buttons. [speaker004:] Yeah, but i so i [speaker001:] This? [speaker002:] Integrated scroll-wheel or push-button. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] We're really having just push-button interface. [speaker001:] Okay, so we can just go [disfmarker] um. [speaker004:] But will we w actually we'll need two, won't we? One for the top and then one for the s one e for each side. [speaker002:] But it [disfmarker] that just covers the type of button we're having. Because we're not doing a scroll on the side, it's still push-button. [speaker003:] Oh like the [disfmarker] twenty nine means like you have both scrolls and [speaker002:] Push-button. [speaker003:] push-buttons. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker001:] Right I think she's [disfmarker] [speaker002:] But we just have push [speaker003:] But we don't have any scrolls. [speaker001:] I think what Courtney's talking about is do we need to put two here? [speaker004:] Like because there's like one interface right here and then [disfmarker] because it's not gonna be on the same plane when you press the button. There's gonna have to be additional signals on the sides. [speaker001:] Right. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] So is that gonna be an extra one on each side? [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] I don't know, they might put us [disfmarker] well, let's just. [speaker003:] Two interfaces, is that what w should we s say? [speaker002:] Let's call it th [speaker001:] Two or would it be three? [speaker004:] Or three, because of one on each side and one on top. [speaker003:] Okay, fine. Yeah. [speaker004:] I mean it's fine 'cause it comes out the same as twenty nine. Well less than twenty nine even. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] Okay and we're gonna [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] button supplements [disfmarker] the buttons are no [speaker004:] They're a special colour. [speaker001:] uh okay. [speaker004:] Um they're uh they're a special form, 'cause they're indented. [speaker001:] Are they? Oh, right. [speaker003:] And then s [speaker004:] And, they're a special material. [speaker003:] yeah. [speaker001:] Mm. Well, we're under cost then. Alright. [speaker003:] We're over? [speaker001:] No, we're under. [speaker002:] Grand. [speaker004:] We're under. [speaker001:] Twelve point five is our limit. [speaker003:] Okay. Oh, I see. [speaker001:] We've got eleven point two. [speaker002:] So we can go to production. [speaker001:] Alright. We can go to [disfmarker] I dunno what I just did. [vocalsound] Okay. Now we're gonna talk about the project process um and whether or not we're satisfied with the whole process and the result. Um did we have a lot of room for creativity? Did we have a lot of room for individual leadership, um teamwork, and the means, meaning the technology that we used to produce our little guy there, and if we found any new ideas. Now, question is, how do we do this? [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Go back. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] I think we just discuss it. [speaker001:] Discuss, sure. [speaker002:] Previous. [speaker001:] Alright. Who want who would like to go first? [speaker002:] We think we got stifled for cri [vocalsound] creativity by the company itself, in restricting us only to using a TV remote, initially. [speaker003:] We didn't have a whiteboard. [speaker001:] Hmm. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Oh that's true. [speaker001:] Hmm. [speaker003:] And no internet. [speaker004:] Yeah. [vocalsound] No, yeah, that's a good point. 'Cause I'd forgotten that that wasn't our decision, yeah. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] And how did you feel about the whole the whole process though? [speaker004:] Oh, overall I mean I thought we did a good job like [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] We got to choose [disfmarker] basically we had control over [disfmarker] minus it being just merely a TV remote we got to choose what we wanted to do with it. [speaker001:] Right, and we got say over what [disfmarker] how technologically advanced it should be and also how fashionable, which I kind of like [disfmarker] [speaker004:] And we're a fashion forward technology company. [speaker001:] we [disfmarker] yep. [speaker002:] [gap] right. [speaker001:] You know it. Um what about um the teamwork aspect? How did you guys enjoy making the model, the prototype? [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker003:] I think we did well. [speaker001:] I think ya' did. Did you work well together in there, and [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yep. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Well, no, there was there was scratching and fighting, but [disfmarker] no [vocalsound]. [speaker001:] 'kay. [speaker004:] Minus that one fight. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Gouges. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Oh my God, and we've all been a pretty congenial team here, I think. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] We hadn't had any ma fallings out. [speaker004:] I mean minus you guys being wha what is it, the survey, annoying or what is it? [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Irritating. [speaker002:] Irritating. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Irritating, yeah. [speaker003:] Irritating. [speaker004:] Wow that's a [disfmarker] it's definitely a strong one. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] The means, the whiteboard didn't work. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] And no internet. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. I have to knock that one down a couple notches. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] A and our friend here really feels strongly about the internet. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah, and no internet. [speaker003:] Misses. I do. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] And the digital the digital pens [speaker003:] There's so much available. Like it's information [speaker001:] Yeah, digital pens. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] I really appreciated those, yeah. [speaker004:] were [disfmarker] they were pretty cool. [speaker001:] They were fine. [speaker004:] Yeah they were fun, even though I'm not really sure what I could do with them, but they are awesome. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] The use of the laptops for receiving everything. It was wireless too, so. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Right, laptops are extremely handy, wireless. [speaker004:] And these things whoa. [speaker001:] And that we have a shared network where we can put all of the [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] And let's not forget the sexy dual microphones everyone gets to wear. [speaker004:] Yeah. And Big Brother. [speaker001:] Big brother. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] 'Kay, have we found any new ideas through this process? [speaker004:] Um we are really gonna sell this. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Ta-da. [speaker001:] For something that looks cool and also has what I want it to b do technologically. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] And that's your right brain taking over, w wanting the artistic, the fashionable, the hip, you know. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] If we all just went out and bought useful things, I don't think [disfmarker] I mean that's not what technology. [speaker003:] Well, that's why I don't like uh Macs or Apples, just 'cause I look at it, and I know it's probably a very good computer, but I look at it, and I'm taken back to elementary school, 'cause they look the same. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker003:] They look like they did when I was in elementary school, [speaker004:] Yeah. Yeah, 'cause they're pretty [speaker003:] and that's so old-fashioned to me. [speaker004:] and just like [disfmarker] [speaker002:] The Toronto district school would only use his Macs with their kids. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Exactly, so I associate them with like really low-tech, really cheap, bad [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah. Just the Mac font bothers me even. [speaker004:] Uh yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] But I do like iPods, go figure. [speaker004:] Yeah, no, iPods [vocalsound] [disfmarker] They want all those words for presentation, even the plugs. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Well, i iPods are now quite trendy, and they come in different colours. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. Colours. Exactly. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] I mean how many people went out and bough a Nokia phone, back when we were like in high school, just so they could get the changeable face plates. [speaker004:] Oh yeah, everybody. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Mine is amber. [speaker001:] Anyway, so that is definitely at work. [speaker002:] Not me. [speaker003:] But the [disfmarker] my [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] I didn't have a phone 'til university. [speaker003:] but my one issue is just like the whole it's for TV only. [speaker004:] Oh. [speaker003:] I was like who's gonna buy a remote just for the TV unless they've lost theirs. [speaker004:] Look at it. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] That is a piece of work. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Fashionable chic people will. [speaker003:] You're kidding. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Wow. [speaker003:] No, no. [speaker004:] Marketing Director says yeah. Fashionable people will buy it. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] No, marketing has to actually create the desire for it. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Oh, I will create desire. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] That's okay. We can create a commercial where they think that all their needs will be met. This will help them find the one. [speaker003:] Ri [vocalsound] They'll be sexy with it. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Hmm. [speaker004:] We could have like an Adam and Eve type commercial, and that's the fig-leaf. [speaker002:] That's right. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Oh right. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Mm. [vocalsound] That'll sell. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] And so the serpent says, use our remote. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] There you go, marketing [gap]. [speaker003:] Let you loose. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Alright. [speaker003:] Yeah, no. [speaker004:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Okay, we're gonna wrap this up now. Um the costs are within the budget, [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] we evaluated the project, and now we're gonna complete the final questionnaire and meeting summary, and then we're going to have a big giant party, apparently, according to this, so. [speaker002:] Whoohoo. Margaritas for everyone. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Alright, thank you team, you did a great job, it was lovely working with you. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Good. [speaker004:] You too. [speaker002:] Yay. Thanks to the Project Leader. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Now we know w

[speaker001:] Think we can first [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Right it was function F eight or something. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker003:] This one right there. [speaker002:] Tha Okay. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker002:] Who is gonna do a PowerPoint presentation? [speaker003:] Think we all [gap] [disfmarker] Huh. [speaker002:] You will as well? [speaker003:] Oh I thought we all were. Yeah, I have one too, okay. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] [gap]. [speaker003:] S [speaker002:] Yep. [speaker004:] [gap]. [speaker003:] Whoops I forgot to put the thing on [vocalsound] [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Right. I just wanna [disfmarker] 'cause basically I can't re I've [disfmarker] really crap at remembering everyone's name so I just wanna [disfmarker] rather than going uh Miss Marketing and Miss this and Miss that [vocalsound] wanted to know your names again. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker002:] Okay I'm [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [gap] just gonna leave this up here 'cause I'll [vocalsound] you know. So [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah. Sure, that's a good idea. [speaker002:] Okay. I'm Catherine with a C. CATH ER INE. [speaker001:] Okay, and [speaker003:] Uh Gabriel. [speaker001:] Gabriel. EL is it? [speaker003:] EL. [speaker001:] 'Kay. And you're [speaker004:] I am Reissa. [speaker001:] s r REISS [vocalsound] [gap] [speaker004:] REISSA. Double S A, yeah [vocalsound] yeah. Sorry. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] 'S just a bit nicer calling people by their names I think. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Right. True. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Uh, right. [speaker004:] Mm 'kay. [speaker001:] Okay, right, welcome to meeting B. Um this is gonna go a lot better than the last meeting, basically, [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] uh 'cause I know what I'm supposed to be doing now. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] I am your Project Manager, [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] and, uh yeah, I'm just here to [gap] sort of liaise between the three of you and get things going, get people talking and and I'm gonna be making notes and sending them off to the powers that be and stuff basically. Um right, this [disfmarker] for the purposes of this meeting [disfmarker] what this meeting is all about is um I'm gonna have some presentations from all three of you, what you've been working on for the last wee while, when you haven't been getting hit with spam on your computers and and, you know, filling out silly questionnaires and things. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] But hopefully you've been [disfmarker] actually been doing something productive. So we're gonna [disfmarker] each of you gonna give us a litt a little presentation. [vocalsound] Um. [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker001:] Then we're gonna [vocalsound] work, you know, from each of your presentations. We'll we'll uh talk about what we actually need as a final coming together of it all. Um and then we'll, yeah, we'll [gap] sort of conclude [gap] anything else comes up at the end of it. [speaker002:] How long is the meeting? [speaker001:] This meeting it's not very long. It's uh probably down to about thirty five minutes now. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] So I want each of your presentations to not be too long, five five minutes, something like that. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] No problem. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Um if you haven't done a PowerPoint thingy, it doesn't matter, it it just it just says that you [disfmarker] it's [disfmarker] that's just one particular medium. If you haven't had time to prepare one, you can draw stuff on the noteboard, you can talk to us, you can [disfmarker] you know however you want to do your little presentation, basically, you can. Don't feel pressurised into using this thing. 'Cause I don't. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Uh okay. So um. You okay over there? Reissa, [speaker004:] I'm fine. Yeah. [speaker001:] are you uh b are you joining in with this meeting here [speaker004:] I uh yeah, yeah. [speaker003:] Think she's finishing up her presentation. [speaker001:] or are y or are y or are you are you just are you just uh doing some Internet shopping there? [vocalsound] [speaker004:] D I mean, I I'm finishing off my presentation. No no. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Uh I'm done. Okay. [speaker001:] Okay, jolly good. Alright, let's have um [disfmarker] well, we all know that it's it's a remote control that we're gonna be dealing with. I think the first thing we should look at is um [vocalsound] probably the um what it is that it is actually supposed to be. [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker001:] So that's gonna be you Catherine, [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] if we wanna hear from you first. [speaker002:] Okay. Um just connecting this. Are we getting i [speaker001:] You don't have to worry about screwing it in just [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Really? Okay. Cool. [speaker001:] there you go. [speaker002:] Okay. So I've got a very quick uh [disfmarker] Uh. Okay. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] So the working design, I've got a very quick presentation on this, so um I've [disfmarker] oh no, you can't see a thing. [vocalsound] Oh well, I'm gonna draw it on the board then. It's in blue uh, and I couldn't change it. [speaker003:] Oh. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] We it's fine on my screen, [speaker001:] Ah. [speaker002:] but never mind. So um [vocalsound] the idea is that we've got the energy source um, which in our case will pr, oh well [disfmarker] okay, never mind. So um I think maybe uh two batteries, I dunno what they're called [gap] six, or something like that. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Uh and then [vocalsound] um then on the uh remote control itself will have um the sender for the signal, which could be uh an infra-red signal, um which will be sent by an electronic chip. And uh the chip will be controlled by the user interface. So we'll hear about that later from Gabriel. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] And uh the sender will send to the telly itself an infra-red signal to tell it to switch on or switch channels. Um and that's it really for the working design. [speaker001:] Great. Okay. [speaker002:] Sorry the presentation wasn't very uh clear but [disfmarker] [speaker001:] I prefer the pe I prefer the human touch personally. [speaker002:] Really? Cool. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Um, should I erase this or [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Do you wanna just give us a moment, I just wanna copy this down. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] Um I dunno if you guys have got any questions for Catherine on any of this? [speaker002:] Fine. [vocalsound] Or suggestions? [speaker004:] Is a battery like the only way of [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Well, it's just, you don't want it plugged in really, s [speaker003:] Yeah, alternate energy source, like win wind power or [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yeah, you blow on it and i [vocalsound] [speaker004:] No, no [disfmarker] [speaker002:] In indoors. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] No I meant like [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Bicycle power. [speaker004:] No 'cause like cha 'cause [disfmarker] always changing um um batteries can get like annoying. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] The battery's down and [disfmarker] maybe [vocalsound], I dunno, solar charged? [vocalsound] [speaker002:] I dunno, swi I th I th I think changing your batteries once every six months is not really a pain, but [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah, it's worked for the last fifty years you know. [speaker004:] Mm. Yeah. [speaker003:] One question I have, and I don't know how much control we have over this is um, as far as the infra-red signal, do we have control over, you know, how far away you can be from the receiving unit, the the TV, and still have it be operational? I mean, maybe we want one with a strong signal stream. [speaker001:] How far away is your television? [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] It's never gonna be more than it's never gonna be, you kno unless you've got a TV the size of a football pitch, it's not [disfmarker] doesn't have to go that far, [speaker003:] Uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Well, the thing is uh you you don't [disfmarker] [speaker001:] does it? Doesn't have to go through a wall, because you're not gonna be looking through a wall. [speaker004:] Yeah, but if like you're on the phone in the other room and you need turn television off or something and you don't really want to go into the [disfmarker] put the telephone down, and go into the other room. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] That's true. [speaker002:] Well, we can make the the signal strong enough to go through walls if if you fancy it. I didn't think about that [speaker004:] How about Bluetooth? [gap] [speaker002:] but [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Instead of using infra-red, use Bluetooth. [speaker002:] Why not? [speaker004:] Isn't that a better signal? [speaker002:] I just think that it's it's gonna cost more and I'm I'm not sure it's [disfmarker] you're gonna use it. [speaker001:] Yeah, yeah I d it sounds like you [gap] you w don't wanna overcomplicate things. [speaker004:] Mm [vocalsound]. [speaker001:] You know we don't need it. [speaker002:] It's a fancy idea uh it's quite nice, but then I don't th I dunno, either you [disfmarker] if you wanna watch the telly you're in the room, you are gonna [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah, exactly. Basically, we're we're desi we're designing and marketing a television remote control unit. [speaker002:] But [disfmarker] [speaker001:] We're not w w w w designing something that you can plug in a headset to and and you know connect to your laptop computer and stuff. It's uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker002:] Oh, we can we can keep the idea if you i We can see at a later stage, maybe, I don't [disfmarker] [speaker004:] 'S just an idea. [speaker001:] Okay. Right, well done, Catherine. Um Gab Gabriel let's uh let's hear from you on on on such things. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker002:] Do you need the border? [speaker003:] Uh I'm just gonna use the PowerPoint uh. [speaker002:] Okay. [vocalsound] Sorry. [speaker003:] Technical [gap]. Okay. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] Adjusting. [speaker003:] Okay, so, while this is warming up, there it is uh. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] So I'm doing the user interface design. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] Yeah, and basically uh, as far as methods, I was I was looking looking at looking at uh already existing remotes, trying to find some inspiration from designs that are already out there. Thinking of what we can retain, what we can do away with, uh what we what we can perfect a little bit as far as design um. [gap] we don't want to do something that's too radical of a change, I guess, I mean people want a remote that's familiar, that has their favourite functionalities um and and does the basics, but [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Mm yeah. [speaker003:] Um so we can improve what's out there and maintain that, the basic functionality that people want. Um so things that [vocalsound] seem like absolute must-haves uh would be a volume control, um so up-down keys for that, uh channel keys up-down, but then also a numerical key pad so that they can just key directly to the channel that they want, rather than doing up-down, and uh a mute button. Uh one thing that I didn't include here, that I forgot that we talked about last time, was doing um some sort of lock uh function. Uh, I don't I dunno, [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] uh that's one possibility. And so in the research that I was doing there's basically two types of remotes, ones that are engineering centred and ones that are more user centred, which I don't know if I can access the web page from here, but I can show you [disfmarker] uh. Yeah. So this is a engineer centred one, so you see it's rather busy, but it also lets you play your movie, stop your movie, fast-forward, all this, um [vocalsound] freeze frame. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] Uh and this is a user centred one. Uh it's it's easier to g just glance at this and see [vocalsound] what's possible to do, [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] you're not gonna be staring at it for five minutes. [speaker001:] Great. [speaker003:] And I [disfmarker] judging from what what we all talked about during our last meeting I kind of gathered that that's what we were going after, uh or the direction we were going in at least. Um. So, the engineering centred ones uh provide a lot of functionality, but it can be a little bit overwhelming, so the user centred ones just focus on ease of use. Uh and this sort of overlaps with what the marketing person uh, Reissa, [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] because uh we we need to find out what what people want before we make firm decisions on this. [speaker004:] Mm. [gap]. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] So uh, yeah, that's me. [speaker001:] Great. Okay. Now that's I just have a q a q question for you. This w um research that you've been doing looki looking at other, you know, existing units [gap] stuff. Um have you found that anyone else has do has looked into the locking function or [disfmarker] [speaker003:] No that that that seemed like a novel idea as f as far as I know. I mean obviously another [disfmarker] [gap] exists [gap] like you like you said in in mobile phones. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] That was sort of the inspiration for it. Um I've never seen that with [disfmarker] in in all my years in in the remote business. [speaker001:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] I've, haven't I've never seen a locking functionality. I dunno, what uh do you guys have a a yea or nay on that [gap] a feeling about whether that's really necessary? [speaker001:] Um [disfmarker] I would say it's [disfmarker] If it's simple to do, which I think it probably should be, [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] even if it's a physical, you know, a f a like a f a physical switch or a physical cover for the remote, even something like that, um then yes, [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. 'Kay. [speaker001:] it's [gap] like, you know, like s you said earlier on ab ab ab a flip thing, something like that, [speaker003:] Right. [speaker001:] but you know being physical. Look into. Um I've had word down from head office that something that we should be centred [vocalsound] well, something we should take into account is um we've gotta keep the corporate image within this remote control unit. It's gotta d look like it's in the R and R. [speaker003:] Mm [vocalsound]. [speaker001:] You know, the the company it's it's, from what I can see from our other products, are yellow with blue writing on them. Um. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] Mm. [speaker003:] Right. And our motto is is we put the fashion in electronics. [speaker001:] We put the fashion in electronics. [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker003:] I think I think we have to carry that mental. [speaker001:] There you go. So it's kinda gotta look it's gotta look new and s you know something fashionable. If if remote control [disfmarker] well, if telephones can be fashionable, then maybe remote control units can be. [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker003:] Well yeah these, I think, we can [disfmarker] so we talked about the layout in my presentation and what I didn't mention yet really is is the sort of like the ergonomic design. [speaker001:] Yeah. Because we need [disfmarker] [speaker003:] I t I think we can make big improvements over these two that you see here, I mean. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah. Great. [speaker003:] Uh, everything is going t ergonomic, you know, there's you know mice for your computers that are very ergonomic and keyboards and that could be one of our niches p sort of uh uh in the market, I guess. Um. [speaker001:] Okay, fantastic. Right, well done, Gabriel. [speaker004:] Okay. [gap]. [speaker001:] Um Reissa. Let's plug you in, baby. [speaker004:] Where does it go into? [speaker003:] [gap]. [speaker004:] Here? [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] The blue thing. [speaker003:] Uh, yeah, this is getting all [gap]. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Mm. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [gap]. [speaker003:] Yeah, then you just have to do function F eight and it should come up. [speaker004:] Well, function F eight. No [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah, w it it just takes a wee while. [speaker003:] Yeah, it just takes a second uh. [speaker004:] oh. [vocalsound] Come on. Right. Okay. [gap]. Okay. Well, for our marketing report uh we observed remote control users in a usability lab, and also gave [disfmarker] so this is research [disfmarker] and we also gave participants um questionnaires to fill out. Um total number of people tested were a hundred just so you know, so that hundred people were tested and these were the findings. So seventy five per cent of users find the remote control ugly. Okay, so they don't like the look of the remote control. Um eighty f eighty per cent of them would spend more money if the rem remote control looked really cool and fancy. So I think we all agree with that. Um [vocalsound] current remote controls do not match well with the operating behaviour of the user. So, they don't like [disfmarker] like the way they operate it doesn't like match how people behave. Um [gap] per cent of the users say that they only use ten per cent of the buttons on a remote, so probably if you have like one, two, three, four, five, the whole up to z ten, they probably don't use those, they only use the up and down channel. [speaker001:] 'Cause we've only got five channels. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [gap] [vocalsound] exactly. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] That's another thing. [vocalsound] Um seventy five per cent of users say they zap. Not quite sure what they mean, zap, goes like [vocalsound]. [speaker001:] I think that's k flicking quickly between channels. [speaker003:] Yeah, you wanna navigate the channels quickly I guess. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Mm. Um takes too much time to learn how to use a new remote. I think especially for uh the older generation. I know my grandmother doesn't like mobile phones, takes ages to work how to use. Anyway um and they also [disfmarker] remotes often get lost in the room, so nobody can find them. [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] So maybe tracking devices is a good idea. Um personal preferences. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Wow. You are a child of technology, aren't you? [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] Um so yeah um [vocalsound] I was thinking something easy to use, especially for older people. Um [vocalsound] has to look really cool, flashy groovy for people to buy it. And it's easy to find [vocalsound], so I don't know whether maybe [disfmarker] and also we asked them whether they wanted [vocalsound] [disfmarker] whether they'd be interested in um [vocalsound] voice activating. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] So voice activation. So and this was what we came up with. Then if you look fifteen to twenty five [disfmarker] this is age, sorry, [gap] age groups. So fifteen to twenty five said like ninety two [disfmarker] ninety one per cent of them said yes. [speaker001:] So there you go, yeah. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Um [vocalsound] so basically the majority except for the forty five to fifty five year olds for some reason didn't want a voice activated one. And neither did the older generation, but the younger generation who we are catering for, like who have most of the money nowadays, do want a voice act speech recognition in a remote. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Uh but do the younger generation have the money? [speaker003:] No I would I would say the older the older people, yeah. [speaker001:] They they don't. It's older generation, they're the ones that have gone out and [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Well the twenty five to thirty five year old, and thirty five, and the thirty five to forty five, forty five point seven per cent [gap] say no, so [disfmarker] [speaker001:] People people from the age of thirty f there's a big drop off there. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] For people up to the age of thirty five, you're kinda saying, yeah, they want it. Um but no they're not [gap] sort of [disfmarker] most people that have the money are people from the age of thirty five to fifty five, [speaker003:] Yeah, that would be my guess as well. [speaker001:] uh 'cause they're the ones that have been working for twenty years. [speaker004:] So they don't [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Um [vocalsound] d and tha [speaker004:] Well [disfmarker] [speaker001:] and that's a [vocalsound] that's quite a minority there, so yeah, it's not even like fifty fifty that's th thirty five per cent. [speaker004:] These guys are growing up. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] What about just from the the prospective of our manufacturing cost? I mean if if it's twelve fifty per unit. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] I mean, okay, there's [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Voice activation might not be the best. [speaker001:] I would say scra I'd say scrap that straight off. [speaker003:] Uh. [speaker004:] Um also with um with buttons, [vocalsound] a thing called RSI, so wrist sense [vocalsound] [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Repetitive strain uh [speaker004:] Huh? [speaker003:] rep repetitive strain injury [speaker004:] Yeah, repetitive strains injury, [speaker003:] or like from doing [disfmarker] [speaker004:] so they don't [disfmarker] I think people who watch TV maybe too often, keep changing channel hurts their wrist. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Well [vocalsound] maybe they shouldn't watch so much TV then. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] I don't think so. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] So y so it's so it's so you got [disfmarker] so that's something we should have a look into then i when desi when designing the ergonomics of [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker004:] maybe not so hard. [speaker001:] see [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker001:] have a look if um there's any w any medical background we can find out about this. [speaker002:] Maybe it could be, instead of pressing button it could be just touching a [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Let's jus [gap] [speaker004:] Maybe [disfmarker] [speaker001:] we just want [disfmarker] need to cover our arses so that people aren't gonna sue us in ten years' time, say your remote control gave me repetitive strain injury. [speaker003:] Yeah, we should probably consult with our legal department uh. [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker001:] Yeah. [vocalsound] They're having a lunch break at the moment, but [disfmarker] yeah. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] I'll see if I can get [disfmarker] see if I can get hold of them for the next meeting. [speaker003:] Yeah. I think we can do some really [disfmarker] in in that department, the the ergonomic department, we can make some some really good improvements. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Mm. Maybe th the buttons not so high up so you don't have to press so much, [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker004:] or we just like flat buttons, something. Yeah. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] So that is me. [speaker001:] That's great, thank you very much for that, Reissa. [vocalsound] Um okay, so we've basically we've decide we've d we've decided that it's gonna be, you know uh, we're going for a basic television remote. It's gotta be safe to use, it's gotta look cool. [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker001:] It's gotta be cheap. S um. [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker001:] Now going back to the uh industrial design of it, you know, we were looking at whether to use maybe infra-red or Bluetooth. I think, we should just go with the simplest option on everything, uh and that would be infra-red, energy source, that would be batteries. Uh mean we we can look into using the s, you know, the little tiny weeny batteries, all like special long-lasting batteries. Um. [vocalsound] But a in [disfmarker] there's no I don't think there's any point in making a remote control unit that's gonna last for fifty years, because technology will have changed and, you know, we won't have televisions in ten years' time. [vocalsound] So [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yep. [speaker001:] I think we're all um pretty sussed on that. Um anyone have any questions? [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker001:] Everybody happy in their work? [speaker003:] Yeah, it seems like we're all on the [disfmarker] pretty much on the same page. [speaker001:] Now [gap] this is good, we've got a good structure going on. We all know where we're going to. [vocalsound] Have you been ge has [disfmarker] have any of you lot been getting loads of crap spam on your computers? [speaker003:] Oh it's probably just you, 'cause you're the project manager. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [gap]. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Well, just questionnaires. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Sell [disfmarker] trying to sell your things [gap]. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah, [gap] stuff. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Um okay. Do [disfmarker] oh [gap] have you guys found out if we can if we can e-mail stuff to each other? [speaker004:] Yeah, you can. [speaker001:] Right. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker001:] Do all you all know my e-mail address? [speaker003:] No I don't. I [disfmarker] [speaker004:] I think he's participant one, [speaker002:] Well, in the project announcement, you've got the addresses, I think. [speaker004:] aren't you? [speaker003:] Uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] So Project Manager, it's participant one at AMI. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Oh, it's just participant one oh okay. Yeah. [speaker001:] Can you all d e-mail me your e-mail addresses? [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Well it's just w it's just [speaker002:] You have them i you have them, [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [gap]. [speaker003:] it's just par participant one, participant two. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] but we'll send you an e-mail. [speaker001:] Send me, yeah [speaker002:] You want to have friends, don't you? [speaker003:] [vocalsound] So are we headed towards like a b a big yellow and black remote as far as [gap] [speaker001:] [disfmarker] yeah, okay. [speaker003:] maybe that's our next meeting that we discuss that. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Is it yellow and black or is it yellow and blue? I I kind of thought it was blue writing on a yellow background, but I might be just going a bit [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Well, it's like white on i white and blue on a black background with white [disfmarker] with yellow borders. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] Maybe that's [vocalsound] like getting ahead of ourselves. [speaker001:] Well, [speaker002:] It wouldn't be [disfmarker] [speaker001:] maybe you can come up with a few [disfmarker] with a couple of different ideas? [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker004:] Can't we have different colours in the remotes, so somebody can choose different col like does it have to be of a certain? [speaker001:] Well, see the thing is is we've gotta keep the company image. [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker001:] It's gotta say [disfmarker] people have gotta look at this remote control and instantly recognise that it's a Real Reaction i product. [speaker004:] But if it's a RR, it would be Real Reaction, [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker004:] like if it had a symbol on it. [speaker001:] There's loads of companies that called RR. [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker004:] Whoa. [speaker001:] This is slog [gap] but this is the slogan, this is the the the the type. [speaker003:] And this is something that came on down from from the higher ups, [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] so, I mean, we are sort of beholden to them. [speaker004:] So we have to have it one colour. [speaker001:] Well, not necessarily. But we have to incorporate it. [speaker003:] Not one colour, but the pattern needs to be recognisable. [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker001:] Not necessarily even if i it just has to [disfmarker] ye but you have to look at the product and instantly know that it's one of our products [speaker002:] Well you could [disfmarker] [speaker001:] as opposed to a Sony product or a, you know, a Panasonic product. [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker001:] It's got to [disfmarker] [speaker002:] It could come [disfmarker] [speaker001:] so maybe, so you can have a look at our our other products and see if they all follow a s similar vein, perhaps. [speaker002:] But it could come in different colours and have the RR colours just somewhere [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] like just around the lock button could be the RR logo or colours and [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker002:] If [gap]. [speaker001:] Quite poss yeah. Well this is all your department. Mm okay. [speaker003:] [gap]. [speaker001:] Well, well done everybody. And um, I think we uh stop for lunch now. [speaker003:] Yeah, pretty soon I think, I guess that's now. [speaker004:] Are we are we finished ahead of schedule? [speaker001:] We might possibly have done. [speaker002:] Cool. [speaker003:] Alright, see you all soon. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] If we've if we've finished at five minutes before the meeting's supposed to finish, then that means we get an extra five minutes for lunch. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] 'Kay uh. [speaker001:] Yeah, there you go. Right. I just have to [disfmarker] there's a few little bits and pieces I have to write down, but [disfmarker] Take your headsets off, kick back, smoke 'em if you got 'em. [vocalsound]

[speaker001:] Okay, good morning. This is our first team meeting. [speaker002:] Good day. [speaker004:] Morning. [speaker003:] Morning. [speaker001:] I'll be your Project Manager for today, for this project. My name is Mark [gap] will be giving this presentation for you to kick the project off. [vocalsound] That's my uh that's the agenda for today. Well, of course we're new to each other, so I'd like to get acquainted first. So let's do that first, I mean [disfmarker] Let's start with you, can you introduce yourself? You're our Marketing Expert. [speaker004:] Yes. [vocalsound] Um my name is Dirk, Dirk Meinfeld. Um I will be uh [gap] Pr Project [disfmarker] the Marketing Expert. And I will see what the user wants and uh what we can do uh with the new produ project [disfmarker] product. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Okay, excellent. And you are User Interface [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Nick Broer, User Interface Designer. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] I'm going to uh look at the technical design from the uh user point of view. [speaker001:] Excellent. Okay. [speaker003:] My name is Xavier Juergens, I'm the Industrial Designer, and there are three main questions that I have to find an answer to today. First one is uh what happens inside the apparatus, second is what is uh the apparatus made of, [speaker004:] Hmm. [speaker003:] and the third is what should it look like. [speaker001:] What should it look like? Okay. [speaker004:] Hmm. [speaker001:] Oh, let's kick it off. Oh, there we go. So, our new project is about [disfmarker] we need design a remote control for television set, so, which has to be original, trendy and user-friendly. I took this off our corporate website. It's [disfmarker] I think well it sums up what we need to do. We're inspired by latest fashion, not only electronics, but also the latest trends in clothes and interior design. That's why our product will always fit in your home. So apparently we need to [vocalsound] um be very at um very open to what's currently hot in the market. So that's what you need to do to bring us the latest info and what people want. [speaker004:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker001:] So [disfmarker] So we put the fashion in electronics. So that's what we need to go for. Anyway, we'll take this project in three steps, three pha uh three phase of design. First step will be the functional design. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] And that's basically what we're gonna do. Everybody has uh a piece of individual work and a meeting afterwards, so we can share information about [disfmarker] So I'm gonna keep this short, since we had a technical problem. So skip through this. Uh. Okay. Every meeting we [disfmarker] everybody can present their uh their views and everything, so to help with these, you have [disfmarker] we have the SMARTboards here. We can use a regular PowerPoint presentation. I'm supposed to give you an introduction on this doodling board, so it's [disfmarker] actually it's very easy. Like it says, very simple, you just take out the pen. Like you see here, I'll just take the [disfmarker] take [gap] here. That's it, you just put it on the board. You see a pen here. You go here, just like using a pen. You can just draw whatever you want. It's like the eraser, can erase whatever you want. And so it will be easy just to illustrate your views, if you wanna change the format, you just [vocalsound] either take out jus just like the pen, and whatever you want, your current colour, your line width, just to make the line bigger. So it should be really easy. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker001:] This is to take the [disfmarker] just take a new slide and back again. We're just gonna keep using this board all the time, so I think it will be [disfmarker] it's very clear for everyone, I suppose. So I'll take this out. [vocalsound] Okay. We'll use that later. Anyway. Yeah, just just just stuff that you wanna share, just put it in the in the project folder, like I put my presentation now. I'll put the the minutes of every meeting, I'll put them there too, so everybody can read up if they have to leave early or whatever. So next, been here. [vocalsound] Well, [gap] gonna give the electronic white-board uh a shot. So basic idea is we have a blank sheet. Just try whatever you want, and like it says, draw your favourite animal. I think the creative genius should go first. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] The creative genius? [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Thank you very much. [speaker001:] So, draw us your favourite animal. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Well, [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] I'm more into the technical aspects of drawing, so I'm not really good at drawing animals, [speaker001:] Draw us a technical animal. [speaker002:] but uh the animal which I [gap] [disfmarker] Oh. [speaker001:] Yeah, it's still erasing. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Pen. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Uh format. Else my animal will be like king-size. I pretty much like [vocalsound] a dolphin, because of its uh its freedom basically. Let's see. A head. [gap] actually worked with this. It's like uh it's a very [disfmarker] Uh high-tech. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Bit low-responsive though. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] So that's what we don't want. [speaker002:] Prefer pen and paper. [speaker001:] We want a high-responsive product. So [disfmarker] It looks more like nuclear bomb. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Very nice dolphin. [speaker002:] It [vocalsound] [vocalsound] doesn't look like a nuclear bomb. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] This thing isn't doing what I'm [disfmarker] What I want. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] So [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Let's go easy on it. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah, well it does look like a nuclear bomb. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] I'll just finish up real soon, because I'm [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] So it doesn't really look like a dolphin, [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Anyway, [speaker002:] but then again, this is all new for me. [speaker001:] it should [disfmarker] It [disfmarker] It's supposed to be a dolphin, you like the freedom that it [disfmarker] that it represents. [speaker003:] Uh-huh. [speaker002:] Like the ocean, like swimming. Do that in my spare time, so that's basically an [disfmarker] [speaker001:] What do you like? Okay. Well, [speaker002:] Now we can forget this ever happened. [speaker001:] our Marketing Expert. Show us an animal. [speaker004:] Um an animal. I like the elephant. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [gap] Pick a [disfmarker] pick a [disfmarker] pick a clean sheet. Oh. Take a clean sheet first. [speaker004:] What? Yeah. Um [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Just press next. That's it. [speaker004:] Oh yeah. Oh, a blank. Okay, next. Free, I like the elephant. It's big, it's strong, so uh uh [disfmarker] Oh, it's a little bit [disfmarker] [speaker002:] It's not really that responsive, no. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] You have to hold it, right? [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker004:] Hmm. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [gap] It's a beautiful animal. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Oh, you have to p press it pretty hard. With a smile on it, [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] It's a cute elephant. [speaker004:] it's very important. Yeah. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] And uh not to forget its tail. Oh. [speaker001:] It's a nice beard. [speaker004:] Yeah, it's okay. Yes. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] And you was making comments on my dolphin. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] I will beat the dolphin. [vocalsound] No. [speaker001:] Okay, so it's just a bee. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] So I suggest you make us the elephant in the market. The big and strong player in the market. [speaker004:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker001:] This would be good. Okay, excellent. On to the next one. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker004:] Uh yeah. [speaker003:] Okay, you should press next. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker001:] Press next. Yeah, it's up there. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker001:] That's it. [speaker003:] Okay, well the animal I'd like to draw is a tiger. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] You picked a hard one, didn't you? [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Experience with the tiger. [speaker003:] My drawing skills are really bad, so. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] What? They are [disfmarker] [speaker003:] They are really bad, my drawing skills. [speaker004:] Okay uh-huh. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Sure looks smooth. [speaker004:] Oh. [speaker003:] I'm not sure how the legs should go, but [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Uh these are stripes. [speaker002:] Got it. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] I've picked this animal because it's very fast. It is uh it knows exactly what it wants. Uh it hardly ever wastes any resources. [speaker001:] What does it want? [speaker003:] Uh well, basically uh it hunts for prey, but it does it always in a very well-thought way. Uh it knows exactly what it wants. It never kills an animal uh just for the killing, so it's very efficient. And it tries to do everything as fast as possible. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] And it always goes for uh security, in seeking uh uh a hide spot and uh and doing everything, [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker003:] security, speed and efficiency is important. And I think uh those things we can use. [speaker001:] I agree. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yay I'm supposed to draw the animal next. I introduce to the world the amazing ant. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Uh hard worker. [speaker001:] Great team-workers. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Do everything to Uh really small, but together they're really strong. So I'm gonna give it a smiley face. [speaker004:] Yeah, yeah. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Oh. [speaker001:] Not sure where the p [gap]. Just put 'em here. Whatever. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Think it need shoes. So [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] I'm just too lazy to draw it all black, so [disfmarker] [vocalsound] That's the coolest ant ever. [speaker002:] You've done this before, haven't you? [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] I love to draw ants. It's my hobby. Anyway [disfmarker] Nah. [vocalsound] Just [disfmarker] I think it's very representative what we drew, I guess. Like you take [disfmarker] just take your freedom and use a a trendy interface that you design for us. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Just [disfmarker] Yeah. You're supposed to make i make it different from uh from what other people have, and just make it a little distinct. Anyway. [gap] another beep to stop the meeting. See. Warning. Finish meeting now. Uh put this down. Examples. Well I guess we have a little little time extra, but [disfmarker] Just a little quick discussion to to open open our work. So what do you guys think about [disfmarker] The first idea is just very short. I'll start with you. What are y What are your first ideas for the new product? [speaker002:] Well, I basically had a question. [speaker001:] What [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Do [vocalsound] uh [disfmarker] Are we going to introduce a multi remote control? Is it just the TV or do we want to in [speaker004:] Uh [vocalsound] [disfmarker] [speaker001:] The project I got was just for a TV remote control. [speaker002:] Just for TV remote control. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah, I guess so. [speaker002:] Okay. Well, I was thinking about design remote control, with our uh motto and all. [speaker004:] But [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Uh thing to keep in mind is that we need to stick to what people are familiar with. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] No rational changes or whatever, 'cause it [disfmarker] revolutionary changes, [speaker001:] Okay, so very intuitive design, I guess. [speaker002:] yes. [vocalsound] Uh we might have to consider other design aspects of our product. So that was something I wanted to add, [speaker001:] [gap] [speaker002:] and perhaps some usability aspect. TV is becoming central in most homes. Do we want people who are disabled in any way to uh, yeah, to be able to use it as well? [speaker001:] Yeah, we want [disfmarker] I suppose we want almost everyone to be using it. So [vocalsound] I think [disfmarker] I mean, really disabled people, yeah, [vocalsound] might be a problem, but I think it's a little [gap] take it into consideration. Um yeah. I think we really need to cut the meeting short. You have anything you wanna share quickly? [speaker003:] Hmm. [speaker004:] Uh. [speaker003:] Only one thing uh that has to be added according to me is uh the the material it is made of, it should be something light. That's [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] it speaks for itself, but some uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] It should be light, okay. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Um, let's see, where did I [disfmarker] Let's skip that. Oh, this is it. Sorry, I skipped this sheet. [speaker004:] Selling price. [speaker001:] What do we [disfmarker] This [disfmarker] Quick [gap] [disfmarker] What we're going to [disfmarker] Selling price, twenty five Euros. That's for you. The production price, twelve and a half Euros, approximately. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker001:] Just go go for that. We'll reach the uh reach that profit. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker002:] Okay, well [speaker004:] [gap] international. [speaker002:] that's not that much to work with. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] No, it's not much to work on. I'm sorry, I skipped it. [vocalsound] Anyways, that's [disfmarker] Yeah, this is it. Do you have anything you you came up with yet? About uh marketing transfer, whatever? [speaker004:] Um about what? Marketing? [speaker001:] Marketing [gap] I'm not sure what you what you came up with yet. You have anything to share? Or else we'll cut the meeting just cut the meeting short [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Um no, not really yet, [speaker001:] since we're supposed to stop. [speaker004:] but I've some ideas [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] and I will uh say it uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Anyways, the the personal coach will give you the your p your personal assignments and everything. So we'll just meet back in here thirty minutes. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker001:] I'm sure we have that. [speaker003:] Good luck everyone. [speaker001:] Yeah, thanks for attending. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Mm, good luck. [speaker001:] I'll see you back here in thirty minutes. [speaker004:] Okay. Yes. [speaker003:] [vocalsound]

[speaker001:] Good morning, again. [speaker003:] One question. [speaker002:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Send. [speaker002:] Choose a number? [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Submit. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yep yep yep yep. [speaker001:] All set? [speaker003:] Mm. Yeah. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Good. Okay. Let's see what we can find here. Okay. A very warm welcome again to everyone. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Um here we are already at our uh functional design meeting. Um and this is what we are going to do. The opening, which we are doing now, um and the special note, I'm project manager but on the meetings I'm also the secretary, which means I will make uh minutes as I did of the previous meeting. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] And uh I also put these as fast as possible in the uh project folder, so you can see them and review what we have discussed. Um if I'm right, there are three presentations, I guess each one of you has prepared one? [speaker002:] Yes. [speaker001:] Good. And um we will also take a look at new project requirements, um if you haven't heard about them yet. And then of course we have to take a decision on the remote control functions and we have some more time, forty minutes. But I think we will need it. Um well I don't know who wants to go first with his presentation. [speaker003:] I'll go first. Okay. I'll go first yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Well. [speaker001:] You can go first, okay. [speaker004:] Well, shall I go first with the users? [speaker002:] Well [vocalsound] [speaker004:] I think [disfmarker] well okay no problem. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Is there an order? [speaker002:] everybody already has his presentation, [speaker001:] I haven't [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Ja precies, ja precies, ja precies [speaker002:] [vocalsound] so you can adjust it. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] So. Huh? Okay, um [disfmarker] [speaker001:] And one question, uh your name Denni, is it with a [speaker004:] EIE. [speaker001:] IE [disfmarker] EIE, okay. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Thank you. [speaker003:] Okay, um I wanted to explain the working design of the remote control. It's possibly very handy if you want to uh design one of those. Um [vocalsound] well so it basically works uh as I uh uh r wrote down uh in this uh little uh summary. Uh when you press a button, [vocalsound] uh that's when you do pr for example when you uh want to turn up the volume, um a little connection is made uh the the rubber uh [vocalsound] button just presses on a [speaker004:] [gap] [speaker001:] Sorry. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] on a little print plate [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] uh which uh makes uh uh [vocalsound] a connection that uh gives the chips, uh which is uh mounted beneath those uh that plastic of a rubber button. Uh senses that a connection has been made, and know and knows what button you pressed, becau uh for example the the volume up or volume down button. Um uh the the chip uh makes a Morse code uh like uh signal which uh then is si uh signalled [vocalsound] to uh several transistors which makes uh which sends the signal to a little let. You know what a let is? [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Okay. [vocalsound] And that makes uh the the infra-red lights signal which is sent to the television set. Uh which has a sensor in it to uh sense uh the signal of the infra-red. That's basically uh how it works. Um the findings uh uh that I found uh searching up some uh detailed information about the remote controls, are that uh they are very easy to produce, uh it is pis uh it's possible to uh make them in mass production because it is as eas it is as easy as uh printing a page, uh just uh fibreglass plate um is b uh is uh covered with uh some uh coatings and uh uh [vocalsound] and chips. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Uh and the technology's already available, we don't have to find out how remote controls uh have to work or uh how that how uh to make some chips that are possible to uh to to transmit those uh signals. Uh I made a little uh uh animation of [vocalsound] about how a tran our uh remote controller works. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [gap] [speaker002:] Oh right. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Animation. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] we tel [speaker002:] There is something turning. [speaker003:] There. [speaker001:] Yeah, it's a little bug it's in the in the smart board. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Okay. Uh well [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] the sub-component, I suppose that you understand what a sub-component is, is f in this example it's the button. Uh when it is pressed down, um, the switch is ter is uh is switched on, so with uh the wire is sent to the to the chip in uh co-operation with the battery of course, because to make uh a a signal possible you have to have some sort of uh li uh a d ad uh electronic uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Infrared light. [speaker003:] Yes, uh, okay. Um w after it's being composed by the chip uh the signal uh is transported uh to the infra-red bulb, and from there it signals a Morse code-like signal to the to the b to the bulb in uh in the television set. Okay. S Uh I wrote down some personal preferences about uh the remote control. Of course it is very handy if the remote control is hand held, so you don't have to uh uh wind it up or something, or just is it's it's very light to uh to make uh to use it. Uh I personally uh pref prefer that uh it would be p uh come available in the various colours, and uh easy to use buttons. But I suppose that the one of the other team members uh uh thought of that uh too. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yeah, I've got it there too. [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] And it is possible for several designs and um easy to use b uh sorry, easy to use buttons. Perhaps soft touch, uh touch screen uh buttons because uh the rubber buttons are always uh uh they uh slightly uh they can be slightly damaged, [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] uh so the numbers on the buttons are not possible uh to read anymore. And uh well as I said uh before th uh we can uh make several designs. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Okay, well, that's my contribution to this meeting, and uh [speaker004:] To this meeting. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Okay, [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] two of these this meeting. So. [speaker001:] thank you. [speaker002:] Shall I go uh next? [speaker001:] Yep. [speaker002:] 'Kay. [speaker001:] Please. [speaker002:] So. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Smoking. [speaker002:] Well uh, my name's [gap], and I looked at uh technical functions design of the remote. Uh I did this by uh looking at examples of other remote controls, of how they uh they look, and information from the web that I found. Um well what I found was that uh th the actual use of the remote control is to send messages to television set, how you uh d what you described uh just early. And this can be all sorts of medsa messages, turn it on, turn it off, uh change the channel, adjust volume, that kind of thing. Uh play video, teletext, but also t uh play CD if you use it your CD player the remote control will that one. There are some uh examples of remote controls. You can see they are very different. The one has got all the functions that you could possibly need and an lot of uh buttons etcetera. And the other is uh more user friendly, little with big buttons. And uh not n all the the the the stuff you can do with it, but uh the the essential stuff is there. Um [vocalsound] I guess you could better y you should look at a a user centred uh approach, because the customers have to use them and and if they don't think it's usable they won't uh buy it. A lot of buttons they may think from I don't need s as much as that. Uh, well perf personal preferences is is uh a simple remote, with uh the basic functions that you can need that you could use. But uh keep in mind the new functions of TV what we discussed earlier, split screen and uh is that a function that you should have? Because all the TVs will have them. Or because of only a few and isn't really necessary. And then uh make it [disfmarker] I would make so that you can could uh use it on more than one appliance. If you have one that uh uh does with the vi the the video, it could also work with uh with the stereo, because play is play and stop stop and that sort of thing. The shu c you could reuse the buttons so that you don't have to have a lot of buttons for uh anything. And it should be a user friendly, clear buttons, and not too much. And that is my presentation. [speaker001:] Okay, [speaker003:] Okay. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] thank you. [speaker004:] 'Kay. Check. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] You must still have it open. [speaker004:] Kijke [gap] 'Kay, so. [vocalsound] We're going to j discuss the functional requirements of the remote, that m that means that functions user n want to have on the remote control, or just [disfmarker] Yeah, and the users, actually. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] The methods I I prefer is we're going to look which section of the users we are going to focus a l on more. Are the younger people going to buy the remote control or the elderly people? And then [disfmarker] tho that section we're going to focus and adjust the remote more to that section than the whole user section. Okay. Some data. Younger people, from sixteen to thir forty five um years are more interested in fj features like LCD screens, speech recognition e etcetera. And we possess about two third of the market from in that range of age. The elderly people, from forty five years to sixty five years are not that much interested in features, and we possess less than two third, that's two fifth, of the market share in that area. [gap] Goed so. [speaker003:] Hmm. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] 'Kay. Findings. Fifty percent of the users lose their remote often. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] So we don't have to make it very small, like uh like a mobile phone or something, [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker004:] but some somewhat bi bigger than small, so you don't lose it that much anymore. [vocalsound] Seventy five percent of the users also find it ugly, [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker004:] and fif seventy five of the users zap a lot, so the buttons sh should be that small, or shouldn't be that complex because we have to search for the buttons, which one are you going to use. Next. Important issues about the remote. I think it would be better with a personal reference, but okay. Remote control has to have to have a low power usage, because s w seventy five percent of the users only zap one time an hour, so the power usage is also one one time an hour, or so, with a high power usage we would use a lot of but batteries. The volume button and the channel buttons are the two most important buttons on the remote control, so those [disfmarker] they [disfmarker] those have to h be find very easily. And have to be somewhat like bigger etcetera. It has also be [disfmarker] have to find easily when the label is gone. My colleague also announced it that labels should be scratched off [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker002:] Hmm. [speaker004:] or would be s uh [gap] senden [gap] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] okay. [vocalsound] So uh if that's k uh if that's the problem, you also have to find it easily on the remote. Buttons. Like what all colleagues said, have to have to be minimalized. or should be covered, or in LCD screen. LCD screen is easy because we have the LCD screen, we have the various options. Put one option and then you have the all the buttons of that options, so the other options would be gone. And you don't see the buttons. So LCD screens should be easy, but an LCD screen, the problem with the L sc LCD screen is that elderly people fr from forty five to for sixty five years don't use the LCD screen a lot. So we have to that keep that in mind that if you're going to implement LCD screen, you don't have to make it that hard to learn or to use. [speaker003:] Uh LCD screen as in uh touch screen? [speaker004:] Yeah, touch screen, yeah. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker004:] The last but not least, younger people are more critical about the features. Because they use the remote control often more often, and are more technical than the ol older people. And the older people spend more money, and easily on a remote control. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker003:] 'Kay. [speaker004:] So we have to keep in mind to to focus not a lot [disfmarker] not that much on the younger pep younger people, but also somewhat on the elderly people. And on my personal preferences, I don't have any mo more time to come with that, [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] but like I said, LCD screen is easily to use [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] because you have [disfmarker] you can implement a lot of buttons in one remote with not that much buttons. And it should be easy to use. Especially the volume buttons, the channel buttes buttons and the number buttons to zap through the channels. And that is it. [speaker003:] Okay. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Okay, [speaker002:] Oh right. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] thank you. Um, well thank you all, huh. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] No. Res I did not. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] I dunno uh did everyone receive an email with uh the new project requirements? No? Well, [speaker003:] No. [speaker002:] Perhaps the rest? [speaker001:] then I think it's a good thing that I made a separate slide of them [speaker004:] Ja, [gap] [speaker001:] so you can all read them. Oh, well not in this presentation. Hmm [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Should be in there. Well, I can tell you them uh from my laptop. Um teletext does [disfmarker] has become outdated since the popularity of the internet. [speaker002:] Oh. Mm. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] So that's uh the first thing we I think we should pay less attention to uh teletext. Uh the remote control should only be used for the television, otherwise the project becomes more complex, which endangers the time to market, and of course would make it more costly, I think. Um our current customers are within the age group of forty plus, and new product should reach a new market with customers that are younger than forty, and you talked about that before. And uh a last point, but also very important, our corporate image should stay recognisable in our products, which means that our uh corporate colour and slogan must be implemented in the new design. So we have to keep that in mind. Um well uh according to our agenda it's then time to take a decision on the remote control functions. So, who has any idea about what should be on it, and what shouldn't? [speaker002:] Well you said it should only uh work with one appliance? [speaker004:] Be television. [speaker002:] Or with one uh d che only the TV? [speaker001:] Yeah. Only be used for television. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] And the video also, or not uh? [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Only the television. [speaker001:] Well it says only for television here, huh. [speaker002:] Oh. Alright. Okay. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Makes it a lot easier, huh? [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker004:] So yeah, then you can yeah. Requirements, no? Functions. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Then it should have uh on, off, [speaker003:] Yeah for [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah, [speaker003:] Standby options, [speaker002:] and uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] the basics then by a volume, channel, one till two zero numbers on it, [speaker003:] yeah? Uh yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. And per perhaps uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] oh teletext doesn't have to be? [speaker002:] No. [speaker004:] Um other functions. [speaker002:] Well uh uh yes yes s sh [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah [speaker002:] A button where you can uh change from one number to two numbers. [speaker004:] I had [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Two s two [speaker004:] Yeah, yeah. [speaker003:] two digits, oh okay. [speaker002:] Can you [disfmarker] [vocalsound] Don't know if that's got a name, [speaker003:] Yeah I understand what you mean. Yeah. [speaker004:] I think it's [speaker002:] but [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] I think it's easy to implement a button with a s s what which especially do that, because some TVs, if you press the t one and then the two, it be between five secs it make twelve, [speaker003:] It makes it twelve, yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] and that's that's not relaxed [speaker003:] Indeed. Okay. [speaker002:] S [speaker003:] Well, not really [vocalsound] [speaker004:] to user. [speaker003:] And and there are some models that don't uh accommodate that function. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker003:] So d uh wh the Philip's television makes it possible in that indeed to uh press one and then two to make uh the uh tj to reach channel twelve. [speaker004:] So that it [vocalsound] easy and fast. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] But uh all the television makes uh use of those button where you first press that button and then press two digits to uh to get [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. Yeah, so you should have that one on. [speaker003:] Uh yeah, think so. [speaker004:] Our main targets' age are? were? Forty five plus, or? [speaker002:] Mute misschien also. [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker001:] Uh well new product should reach a market with customers that are younger than forty, and now we have current customers uh of forty plus. [speaker004:] Forties, okay because [vocalsound] because younger people as Uh younger people have now, sixteen till to twenty five age, are f eighty one percent interested in LCD screen. From twenty six to thirty five have sixty six percent, and thirty six to forty five, fifty five percent, so I think to um [disfmarker] Because on most recog remote controls um the print plate will be broken how much, two years. You have to press h very hard to go to the next channel. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] With the LCD screen it's easier because you only have to wipe the screen to uh [disfmarker] for fingerprint, [speaker003:] Yeah, we we could yeah. [speaker004:] and then you can use it again. [speaker003:] But I think that uh that collides with our mission to make it very cheap. Because LCD screens are very expensive. [speaker004:] Yeah, okay. Yeah but a [disfmarker] you don't know [disfmarker] [speaker003:] A touch screen uh probably uh even more. [speaker002:] An [speaker003:] So, [speaker004:] True. [speaker003:] true, true. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] But uh [disfmarker] Well um is it possible to make an LCD screen uh, how was the information? [speaker004:] Yeah, it only says that this perce percentage like LCD screen. Because, yeah and it says that younger age between sixteen and forty five highly interesting features more critical. [speaker003:] So [speaker004:] [vocalsound] And if the only f [speaker003:] perhaps we should we should focus on that LCD screen. [speaker004:] Yeah, because our target is sixteen to forty five. [speaker002:] But, [speaker003:] Yeah but uh will we not uh exceed our uh our uh production uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] do you [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah you don't know how much it costs. Yeah, you don't know how much it costs, the LCD screen. [speaker003:] Is it possible to find out, anyway? [speaker004:] No, I don't have any costs here, [speaker003:] You know? [speaker004:] I only have percentages. [speaker002:] But if you would do an LCD screen do we have don don't you have any buttons? Or because if it only directs at the TV, then you only have uh I don't know what you want to do with the LCD screen. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] No, an LCD screen's just like uh like a drawn here. Um just uh displays several buttons, [speaker002:] Yeah? [speaker003:] for example um if you wanted the minimal uh use b uh buttons, such as channel and volume, you just h uh displays four buttons on the screen [speaker002:] Oh right, [speaker003:] and it's possible to p uh press them down, just like a touch screen. [speaker002:] so you can [disfmarker] Oh, yeah alright. So you can adjust which buttons you want on that s screen. [speaker004:] Yeah, if you want to adjust, like for example, adjust the audio settings, you press audio on the touchscreen [speaker003:] Yeah, we can make it possible to do that, yeah. [speaker004:] and you get the buttons for audio settings, [speaker003:] Yeah yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah alright, oh right. [speaker004:] so the other buttons are gone. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah, yeah. [speaker001:] So we're going for an LCD screen? [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] I think it's the most easier thing, [speaker002:] Would be yeah. [speaker003:] That's my uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] yeah. [speaker001:] And hoping that when we produce a lot it won't be too expensive. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] No. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Well we had twelve fifty, I guess, for uh production? [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Twelve fifty. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Um. [speaker002:] Any guesses? [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Well I suppose wi if the mar if our um [vocalsound] if the i if the young people are interested in LCD screens, we should make 'em. [speaker004:] Highly. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] And if that is our d uh market share to uh and our goal to uh deliver those uh remote controls [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah. But [disfmarker] But he also said that we should not only focus on the younger people, but also on the older, [speaker004:] Yeah, [speaker002:] and will they use it if it only has an LCD screen? [speaker004:] but [disfmarker] Um, s forty six to forty five, thirty three percent, and sixty fifty six to sixty five twelve percent. But our our our what's it, project requirements are the new products should be reached for new markets, to customers that are younger than forty. [speaker002:] Oh, so still a little bit people [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah that's right. But you don't want to alienate the other uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] No, that not now, but, so [disfmarker] [speaker002:] But if they also buy it then it's alright. I guess. [speaker004:] Yeah, but market share fro for for forty years and younger is higher than that of sixty five and younger. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. Alright. [speaker001:] Okay, so [speaker002:] An [speaker001:] LCD it is? [speaker002:] Yes. [speaker003:] Mm. It's treasure. [speaker001:] Okay. And what else? [speaker003:] I hope we uh h and [speaker004:] Yeah, [speaker003:] let's hope to reach those uh those sales. [speaker004:] i i if it [disfmarker] Yeah, if it costs [disfmarker] gets too much, too expensive, then yeah, we should be sticking to rubber buttons. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah, can you um uh s I think that that they will send you some information about uh the cost of LCD uh screens. [speaker004:] N [speaker002:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] nothing, no costs at all. [speaker003:] Uh so if you uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] But perhaps later, [speaker003:] Yeah, so [speaker002:] so uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] if you uh you receive an email about that, uh can you post it in the [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah, [speaker003:] or shouldn't we post that in uh our projects mail uh folder. [speaker004:] in [disfmarker] I think that should [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] yeah [disfmarker] I think we all get the costs of everything. [speaker002:] I don't [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Because you are the the Marketing uh Expert. [speaker004:] Yeah, okay, I'll I'll post it. [speaker003:] I uh [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Well perhaps we should have a backup plan that we would use buttons if it's uh [vocalsound] too expensive. [speaker003:] Yeah sure, sure. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah, okay. But for now it's LCD. Okay. [speaker004:] Okay, LCD, yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Then you have the seventy five percent of users find it r ugly. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] The LCD? [speaker004:] Yeah, [speaker002:] Oh that's a bit of a problem. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] and eighty percent of the users would spend more money with a when a remote would look fancy. [speaker002:] Oh, that's a bit of a problem. [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker004:] Tha i l i it'll look fancy with LCD screen. [vocalsound] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] It's looks fancy one yeah, of LCD screen. [speaker002:] Yeah, but they don't they don't like it. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] They think it's ugly. When it has an LCD screen. [speaker004:] Yeah, just a [disfmarker] the plain remotes, not not specific LCD remotes. [speaker002:] Oh, alright, I thought that you said that. [speaker004:] So [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah, and maybe you can make something fancy out of an LCD remote, [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] because it's new, as far as I know. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. Yeah, of course. [speaker003:] Mm yeah. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] And then you have the other thing, that seventy five percent zap a lot, [speaker003:] And then not [disfmarker] yeah. [speaker004:] but that's not a f question with the LCD screen. [speaker003:] Um. Yeah. [speaker004:] Only thing you have to do is wipe the screen off once each time, to get all the fingerprints off it. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Mm. Okay? [speaker001:] Okay, what else does our remote need? [speaker004:] Um [disfmarker] [speaker002:] A mute button. [speaker001:] Mute button. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] I think. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] The most important things on a f on an on an uh remote control are channel selection, volume con selection, [speaker002:] And [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] and power s power usage. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] And a teletext, but that is not of the question. [speaker002:] But [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Other things are [disfmarker] [speaker002:] But shouldn't you put a button of [disfmarker] for teletext on the [disfmarker] for the people who want to use it? [speaker004:] Sorry? Yeah, it could be. [speaker002:] Remembering we have got a big remote that you have to fill. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. Yeah, and we could make an a a separate menu on the LCD uh screen for teletext. [speaker004:] Yeah, teletext. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] And there's also a [disfmarker] [speaker004:] And other other less important things are screen settings, audio settings, and channel settings, [speaker002:] Yeah, they are less important, but I think they should be there, [speaker004:] Less important. Yeah, [speaker002:] or not? [speaker004:] should be there, but not press [disfmarker] [speaker003:] A sh but in a sub sub-menu or something like that. [speaker004:] Yeah, sub-menu, yeah. [speaker003:] Uh I think it's also important to uh make it possible to um how do you call it in English, uh, to not use batteries, and use ac uh bat uh [gap] batteries to uh to be [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Like with a with a mouse, you have not, yeah. [speaker003:] yeah yeah sure. Indeed. So uh you can mount uh the the the uh [speaker004:] Yeah, in a breath it's [disfmarker] [speaker003:] uh the remote control to um [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] Charted. [speaker002:] We should think of the twelve fifty we have [speaker003:] to refill the [disfmarker] [speaker002:] but [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah, but we don't we don't have any costs now, [speaker002:] I don't know how much that's going to uh [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah. Okay, [speaker004:] so [disfmarker] Yeah. [speaker003:] because i uh when you get an LCD screen, you run it on batteries, [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] the batteries will be uh empty very soon, very fast. [speaker004:] Yeah e e power supply is one of the most important things. [speaker002:] You should [disfmarker] Perhaps you should be able to to switch the control off. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] If you have an LCD screen that's burns all the time I dunno. [speaker003:] Yeah, yeah. Yeah. [speaker002:] You shouldn't on and off because that's ver extra, that you have t first you have to turn the remote on, and then you can uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] Uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] I don't know. [speaker004:] Yeah, I think it's it's not that easy because I don't think people will like it who who uh that you have to turn it on first and then use it, [speaker002:] Nee that's that's [speaker004:] so I think it's better when th the TV shuts down, the remote shuts down. [speaker002:] uh yeah. But then you can't [disfmarker] [speaker003:] And go to standby mode when you don't use it, [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] so that [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah yeah au automac matically, that it [disfmarker] yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah, automatically. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] After two minutes or three minutes, something like that. [speaker004:] After two minutes, yeah two three minutes, yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. And maybe a low battery indicator? On the screen. [speaker003:] Yeah. Sure. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] And then b that uh [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] before an hour when its get again gets empty. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Then you have plenty of time to recharge it, of put it in a recharger. Charger. [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] So we are going for the for the recharger. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah, [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] if it's [gap]. Uh. [speaker002:] If it's sensible. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah, because when you're watching TV, you're zapping and you have to put it in a recharger, [speaker002:] Yeah. Yeah, [speaker004:] and I don't think it [disfmarker] [speaker002:] b when the batteries are low [disfmarker] [speaker003:] No, when you when you're done with s uh w uh watching your television, you have to put it [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah, okay, but then we have to be sure that the the the the batteries go [vocalsound] hours, six hours, five, six hours, then. [speaker003:] Yeah sure, of course. [speaker002:] But you'll also forget to put it in, [speaker004:] Yeah, then you have a problem. [speaker002:] because you throw it on the couch [speaker003:] Yeah, but [disfmarker] [speaker002:] and you don't remember. [speaker003:] But you also forget to buy batteries, [speaker002:] Yeah. That's right. [speaker003:] and then you can you can't use it, so I [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Or we have to be sure that the batteries last couple of days when they're recharged. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] So. [speaker002:] Well I think the batteries should should w should work a lot longer than a couple of days, [speaker004:] Yeah because you have b [speaker002:] or not? [speaker004:] but you have LCD screen. [speaker002:] 'Cause [disfmarker] Yeah, that's right, [speaker004:] High power usage. [speaker002:] but [disfmarker] [speaker003:] High power user cell, i uh it should be uh a standard move to to put your remote control in the charger when you're done watching television, [speaker004:] Yes. [speaker003:] that's also a a a great advantage because you can't lose it anymore. Because you are obliged to uh put it in the charger and not to uh leave it in a couch uh between some cushions. [speaker004:] True. Yeah. Yeah. True. [speaker002:] Yeah. Right. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker004:] Yeah, you made a point there. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] But then you also have to s have somewhere where you can put a remo recharger near your couch [speaker001:] Yeah, also. [speaker002:] because otherwise you have to walk a long way when you twoft want to turn on the TV. [speaker004:] Yeah, otherwise all your [disfmarker] yeah. Just a small device [vocalsound]. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah it hasn't [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Plug it in, that's it. [speaker002:] I think everything has it for and [disfmarker] I guess. [speaker003:] It doesn't have to be big. [speaker004:] Yeah, like a [disfmarker] like telephone charger or something. [speaker003:] Yeah just just a cable, or a even a a a a a charger where you can mount it on. Something like that, [speaker004:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker003:] just u [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker002:] Alright. [speaker001:] Okay, well [speaker004:] It has to be easy to use also, or things. Uh market share, speaker re speech recognition. [speaker001:] I've Yeah, you have some more [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] points. [speaker004:] I think. [speaker003:] Functional designs uh for the elderly uh you could make it possible to enlarge the screen, so make it possible to not uh display uh a button at ten points [speaker004:] Also. [speaker003:] uh, or [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Well I think that this should be standard. Large button [disfmarker] large buttons. [speaker003:] Yeah but it is uh one of the functions you have to uh specify. [speaker004:] Yeah? Okay. [speaker003:] Because we can look at uh uh perhaps uh forty buttons at a screen, but the elderly only look at two buttons. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker004:] [gap]. [speaker001:] And you said something about speech recognition? [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah, it says also [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Speech recognition? [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Hello. Twelve Euro [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah, [speaker003:] twelve Euro fifty. [speaker004:] Twelve. That's an [disfmarker] [speaker002:] twelve fifty, twelve fifty. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] also ninety one percent sixteen to twenty five, twenty six to thirty five years, seventy six percent, and thirty six to forty five, thirty five percent. [speaker002:] So it's pretty big. [speaker003:] Well, spread it by a big market. [speaker004:] But then I I I [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Even bigger than for LCD. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Well [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] W I know let's do a speech. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] let's leave out all the remote controls and just put a [vocalsound] microphone on top of the television to [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. Ninety. Twenty five. [speaker002:] You can clap or something. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker004:] [gap] channel. [speaker003:] Turn volume up. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Hey, that that's an idea. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [gap] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Now you shouldn't say the wrong thing, I dunno [vocalsound]. [speaker004:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Okay, well that should [disfmarker] it has to be remote control, not [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah, [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] [gap] twelve. [speaker002:] But they want to talk into the remo remote control, or something, [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Sure why not why not [vocalsound] [speaker002:] or? [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Is this only would you would you pay more for speech recognition in a remote control. It's the only thing it says. [speaker003:] Yeah, mm. [speaker002:] Oh, but do we want to implement that, or? [speaker004:] [vocalsound] I think an LCD screen [vocalsound] should be suf sufficient. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] But when you look at the percentages [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah, it says a lot, but [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Perhaps the options should be uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Speech recognition scores even higher, huh? [speaker003:] Why not? [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah, well, [speaker003:] Why not? [speaker001:] maybe because of the cost, but uh nobody knows uh how much uh it will cost uh. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Let's hope uh to have some uh d [speaker002:] I know [vocalsound] [speaker004:] No I think I think it's better to have L LCD screen, because in the area of tw thirty six to forty five, we have about thirty percent of the market share in in our hands, and fifty five of those people want LCD screen and thirty five want speech recognition. So I think it's better to keep it with LCD screen. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] But would it be useful to imple implement both? [speaker004:] Yeah, if the costs al allow it. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] On one remote? [speaker002:] Well [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Or [disfmarker] Yeah, I dunno. [speaker002:] I don't know if that can be done with the cost of twelve fifty. [speaker004:] Nee. [speaker002:] With that uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] If it should be done, if it could be done, I won't matter. Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah, [speaker003:] We should do it. Yeah. Sure. [speaker002:] but how would you like to implement that, that you say volume up, and then it goes up, [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] or? Uh. [speaker003:] Certain systems already exist, I think. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Then you also have to have different languages if we go international. Then uh it's y [vocalsound] it's yours to do a French and Dutch and English [speaker004:] [vocalsound] True. [speaker003:] True, yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. True. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] But that should also be with f should be also with LCD screen. [speaker003:] This should be uh accommodated with some software, uh, uh. Yeah. [speaker004:] Because then I think in Chinese is different written, volume is different written than um Swahili or something. [speaker002:] Yeah, that's right. Yeah. [speaker003:] Right. Swahili. Swahili. [speaker002:] Yeah you can use icons for the [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Ja, well possible. [speaker002:] a speaker and uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Indeed. [speaker002:] But if that's better than language for the for the remote. [speaker004:] Yeah, yeah yeah yeah [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah. So we want to uh yeah it's international uh okay. [speaker002:] Then it's [disfmarker] Yeah. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker004:] 'Kay, what else? [speaker001:] So, no speech recognition? Or [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Well, [speaker001:] [gap] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] if it could be done, we [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah, we have to keep [disfmarker] Yeah. [speaker003:] Y it should be done. If it could be done, should be done. [speaker002:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah, and then we have different languages. [speaker002:] Yeah, that should be uh anything matters. [speaker003:] That's not so difficult at all, [speaker001:] Okay, [speaker003:] because I already use on several voice operated systems, [speaker001:] just make a separate remote for each uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] and they are all possible to uh not all, but [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Well, you sh you should to adjust the thing. [speaker004:] I think it's difficult. Every language of dialects [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] I think it's very differen difficult. [speaker002:] And you have to speak the [disfmarker] so that it can understand. [speaker004:] Yeah. I think it can't be implemented, but maybe [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] You could use that n as an option, if you have money left, or something. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah, 's an option, yes. [speaker003:] Yeah, sure, indeed. [speaker004:] Fifty Euro cents. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Let's do speech. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] For speech recognition. [speaker001:] Okay, so we only do this when we have enough money left. [speaker002:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Okay. Well I've written down an an on or off button, volume selection, channel selection, uh the digits from one to zero, huh. Um [disfmarker] or from zero to nine. Uh a digits button to switch uh between one and two digits, mute button, a separate menu for teletext, a battery indicator. Um we're going to use a docking station and uh probably LCD and if there's enough money, speech recognition. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] And uh the possibility to uh enlarge buttons or to have large buttons [speaker004:] Mm, yes. [speaker002:] Yeah. I [vocalsound] [speaker001:] in general. [speaker002:] With uh teletext if [disfmarker] it wasn't ver very important, [speaker004:] No, [speaker002:] it was but [disfmarker] [speaker004:] but [disfmarker] [speaker002:] You also now have colours. I don't know if we should implement that. [speaker004:] Curved? [speaker002:] Yeah, when you press the red button, you go to page one hundred two, and when you press the [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Uh yeah. [speaker002:] I don't know if we should implement that, [speaker004:] Um. [speaker002:] because it says that teletext not really important, [speaker003:] S Shortcuts. Uh. [speaker002:] but yeah, the shortcut, [speaker004:] I think we should [disfmarker] we could that [disfmarker] [speaker002:] and you can't go to sport. [speaker004:] we could also implement a audio settings, screen settings and channel settings, but as sub-menus. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker004:] D Mainly if you turn the uh remote control on, you have to u you have to see from one till zero, channel and volume. And if you want to use teletext screen or audio, then you can press it. [speaker003:] Sh Yeah, [speaker004:] It should be available [speaker003:] just just sub-menu. Yeah. [speaker004:] but not [speaker002:] 'Cause it should be there. [speaker003:] Not directly uh available. [speaker004:] not [disfmarker] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker001:] Okay, so not too much teletext support, but in a separate menu, and [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker002:] So actually it is there but it's just not r ready there. [speaker004:] Yeah, but s [speaker003:] Directly available. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] So does it confuse uh the user? [speaker002:] You'll have to search for it. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] They'd have to be easy to use. [speaker003:] Uh. I'll search um. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] If you want to use teletext, you can push the teletext button and then the options uh become available. [speaker002:] Yeah. Yeah, that's a [disfmarker] [speaker004:] The sign of it. [speaker001:] Okay, but no more buttons or functions, or? [speaker004:] Uh, [speaker003:] No. [speaker002:] I guess not. [speaker004:] no. What else can you do with a television? [speaker002:] We've got anon [speaker001:] Aren't we forgetting something very important? [speaker002:] Have got got two examples here, but I don't think there's anything we're missing. [speaker004:] Uh play, pause, doesn't n need to be there. [speaker002:] Well, we don't have the video orders [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yes, so this is your presentation. We could check the other remote controls with technical functions. [speaker002:] Yeah, you could look here all the the [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Which ones were yours? [speaker002:] Uh th th th th I don't know, technical functions. [speaker004:] Techni [speaker002:] [vocalsound] They're a bit small, you can [disfmarker] we should stretch them, because [vocalsound] [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Ping. [speaker004:] Ja ja ja ja ja. Technical functions. Yeah okay. [speaker002:] I guess we've got them all. [speaker004:] Uh I think I go to have volume, mute but I [disfmarker] Yeah [gap]. Very slow. Yeah, the zoom buttons. [speaker002:] And for a TV? Can you zoom in a TV? [speaker004:] Yeah, b wide screen, high screen, different things you have, [speaker002:] Or that you can put 'em on uh on on wide and [disfmarker] [speaker004:] yeah different uh [disfmarker] Yeah. [speaker002:] yeah. But that should also be a sub then, a sub uh menu thing. [speaker003:] Menu. [speaker004:] Yeah it should be available, but then in separate screen settings or something. [speaker002:] Yeah, [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker002:] so we should also implement se screen settings. [speaker004:] Yeah, screen settings, audio settings, teletext settings you have. [speaker002:] Oh right. Yeah. [speaker004:] Channel settings. [speaker002:] Yeah, so you can program the [disfmarker] [speaker004:] So those four, and of course the main. [speaker002:] Yeah, so the first you see the main, and the other ones you can uh go to uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah. Yeah. Like tap screens or something [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] or, I dunno. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] I hope we can do this. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Something [disfmarker] [speaker003:] There are a lot of options depending uh on what kind of television you got. [speaker004:] Yeah, if uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] 'Cause if you don't got a wide screen television you don't need the uh the screen settings [speaker004:] No, you don't yu a no you then you don't no ni don't [disfmarker] [speaker003:] uh for uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] then you don't use it. [speaker003:] Yeah and if the television does not support such uh operations [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] We don't have to use that top. Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] So you leave it alone. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. Or it could be possible to have a a standard version of the remote, an expanded version. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah. And do we want them in different colours, [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] or [disfmarker] [vocalsound] And [speaker004:] Colours. Yeah. [speaker002:] and the buttons, should they have colours? [speaker003:] Colours I think the main colour of the remote control is uh the colour of the LCD screen. [speaker002:] Oh but we don't have any buttons. Yeah. [speaker003:] I Because we don't want a lot a devi yeah a device self s g [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah, then defines itself. Because uh how many percent? Eighty percent? [speaker002:] They think it's ugly, [speaker004:] Would spend more money if it looks fancy. [speaker002:] right? [speaker003:] Okay, so use uh very uh lot of peo [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Perhaps you can uh make adjustable fronts, like with the telephones [vocalsound]. [speaker003:] Adjust with phones, yes [vocalsound] [speaker002:] You can uh [disfmarker] [vocalsound] But I don't think that uh [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Okay. [vocalsound] Twelve Euro fifty. Well, make it available in different colours, you mean? Sure. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Red, white, blue, black. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Rasta colours. [speaker001:] And a see-through uh [speaker003:] Grey. Yeah sea view, yes, Simpson's versions and [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah, see through version. Yeah. If you press a button, it turns green. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Okay, well [speaker003:] Leave. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] A disco version. [speaker001:] that's the [speaker002:] Five minutes? [speaker001:] signal for las final five minutes. Um so I have uh the things I just read. Um then we have uh separate menus for teletext, screen settings, audio settings, and what else? [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Channel settings? [speaker002:] Oh yeah, right. [speaker001:] Channel settings. [speaker002:] So you can program the TV. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker002:] Perhaps you should you'd throw them on on in one pile. So, options, and then you sub them. [speaker004:] Yeah. Could be possible. [speaker002:] Otherwise you have all those teletext, perhaps teletext not, [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker002:] but [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Or like uh you have a menu button, you press [disfmarker] [speaker001:] No, we said teletext also a separate menu. [speaker004:] Yeah, or otherwise you have a menu button, [speaker002:] Yeah, but I [disfmarker] [speaker004:] press menu then you have uh main uh menu search uh all the all the settings. [speaker002:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker001:] Okay, [speaker002:] But [disfmarker] [speaker001:] but we can work that out later, I guess. [speaker004:] Yeah, no problem. Yep. [speaker001:] So we're having a a general menu with the most used functions, uh teletext, screen settings, audio settings, channel settings, and maybe there are options for the remote itself? Like uh large icons or small icons [speaker002:] I don't know. [speaker001:] and [speaker004:] Um, [speaker001:] I don't know what else, [speaker003:] No. [speaker001:] but [disfmarker] [speaker004:] I think b because we don't have a lot of buttons on the one screen, I think the buttons [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Or do we have any buttons? On the remote. [speaker004:] Yeah, but but or like you have [speaker002:] Which one? [speaker004:] you only have channel button or volume button. Those buttons you can you can [disfmarker] [speaker002:] But that's also in the LCD, [speaker001:] Yeah, but on the LCD, huh? [speaker002:] right? [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Right, yeah, okay. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah, [speaker002:] So we don't have any normal buttons [speaker004:] th No, no normal buttons, yeah. [speaker002:] that uh [disfmarker] No, alright. [speaker004:] Maybe only the on and o on and off button. [speaker002:] Yet on and off is p is perhaps you kno [speaker001:] But we don't need a special [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Uh not button [vocalsound] [speaker004:] But I don't think [disfmarker] [speaker001:] we don't need a special options menu for the remote itself. [speaker004:] Mm, [speaker002:] No, no. [speaker004:] no. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] Oh well, you should be able to set which TV you have. If you have [disfmarker] if you have uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah sure, of course you need uh a settings button, uh or a settings option for the remote control. [speaker002:] Yeah. But isn't idea to use uh uh what you said, uh normal on and off button for the TV, [speaker004:] No no no, [speaker002:] that you don't have to use a [disfmarker] [speaker004:] because we we discussed that you could charge it, otherwise is [disfmarker] it it jumps to stand-by mode automatically. [speaker002:] Yeah but but not for the remote but for the TV, that you use [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah, but a TV of course, th that's the [disfmarker] I think that's a best thing is that to implement that one in the menu with the volume and channel. [speaker002:] But a not as normal button, in the LCD, [speaker004:] No. [speaker002:] yeah. [speaker001:] Well maybe there should be a separate button apart from the LCD, because you can't turn it on when the LCD is off. So how do you turn the thing on? There has to be a on button on the remote, [speaker002:] No you just tap I think. [speaker004:] Yeah, you tap. [speaker003:] Just tap it. [speaker001:] huh? [speaker004:] Touch screen, [speaker001:] Tap the thing. Okay. [speaker004:] yeah then it's turn [disfmarker] turn off, turn on. [speaker001:] And then the television is on also, or just the remote? [speaker004:] No, just the remote. A television don't have to be on, [speaker002:] But [disfmarker] [speaker004:] that one you can [vocalsound] press on, [speaker003:] Yeah, it should be in standby mode, [speaker004:] yeah stand-by, [speaker003:] but [disfmarker] [speaker004:] then press on remote, press on and then TV should be available. Or not. [speaker002:] Yeah a yeah. I don't know whether it's handy to have a n a normal on button, a r just uh rubber uh for for TV, [speaker004:] Separate. [speaker002:] so you can turn it on and then you can choose the channel. Otherwise you [disfmarker] I don't know whether or not that's [disfmarker] [speaker003:] A A A normal button on the remote control, [speaker002:] Yeah, yeah. [speaker003:] or norm? [speaker002:] To turn it on. Of or you should put it in the LCD screen. [speaker003:] Yeah, because uh when you touch the LCD screen when it is in standby mode, it should pop on. [speaker002:] Yeah, I have, yeah. [speaker001:] Okay, well [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Wh uh why would it be a a need to have a normal button? [speaker002:] Well I I guess if you use the LCD screen, you first have to search where is the on button, then you uh you you then turn it, and then the TV goes on. But if you have a normal on button on the on the remote, then you do the on, and then you search the channel which you want. [speaker004:] Yeah, but I think the re the remote control, if you press tap the screen, it always should jump to the screen which has the volume button, channel button, and of course of also the on and off button. [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker002:] Oh right. [speaker003:] I think it looks a lot more fancy if you use uh if you don't have any buttons on the s on on remote control. [speaker002:] Yeah, I think so too. Otherwise y wet e k Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] So actually we're going to create a a button-less uh remote. No buttons at all. [speaker002:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Okay, well that's might be a unique selling point, huh for a remote. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] If we can afford it. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Okay, well [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah, if we can afford it. Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] I guess we have to [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Oh, okay [gap] [speaker001:] postpone further discussion to uh our next meeting, because we're running out of time. Um for now, we're having a lunch break, [speaker003:] Oh. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] and then there will be uh half an hour for the uh next share of individual work. I will uh write uh minutes, if I can create them out of this. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] And uh put them in the the project documents uh folder. [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker001:] And here are the individual actions for the for the other roles. And of course specific instructions will be sent to you again by your uh personal coach. [speaker002:] Alright. [speaker001:] Luckily as we are. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Okay, well thank you very much, for now, [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] and uh have a nice lunch, huh? [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Lunch. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Food. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Should we put this back in our rooms, or uh? [speaker003:] Yeah, think so. [speaker002:] Yeah.

[speaker001:] [vocalsound] Uh welcome back after lunch, I hope uh you had a good lunch together. For uh this meeting the main agenda okay uh to discuss about the conceptual design meeting. Okay and the agenda will be the opening and uh [disfmarker] that's uh [disfmarker] the product manager or secretary that's me and uh the presentations from the Christine and uh Agnes and from Mister Ed. And finally in this meeting we have to decide [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] and we are to take a decision on the remote control concept and uh the functional design So we have forty minutes, I think it's uh little bit uh low, but I I hope we can finish it up [vocalsound] so I'll handle to the the functional team, to the Christine, okay, to discuss about uh the components concept. [speaker003:] Okay. So uh, if you could open the PowerPoint presentation. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] I'm number two. [speaker001:] You're number two. 'Kay [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Components design, there we go. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] So uh can we put it in slide show mode? Yeah. [speaker001:] The next one. [speaker003:] Right here, is that little [disfmarker] that one, yes please. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Thank you. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] I'll take the mouse. [vocalsound] So uh we were looking he specifically at the components uh [disfmarker] the following components, [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] uh the case, the power supply, uh the means of communications with the television set. In instance we had talked about using some sort of speech recognition, [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] you have to have microphone [disfmarker] well no you don't actually I haven't [disfmarker] have to have microphone in the device, but um [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] maybe you do have it a a way [disfmarker] it has to it has to hear the speaker [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] and um, so it could be in the television set, could be in the device, but somewhere you have to put the microphone, um and a w a way of making beeps or sounds so you can find it when it's gets lost. Um so the other w thing that we [disfmarker] So. Our method for going about this is we've looked at uh the histo hi historical record, what's worked, what hasn't and then we also um [disfmarker] we wanted to evaluate some new materials [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] and we contacted manufacturing for their input because, course, we m might [vocalsound] come up and choose the material that then manufacturing didn't have the technologies or capabilities to offer us, so uh this is the approach that we took during our um [disfmarker] our research. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] So um for the case, um we told we were making a specifica specific assumption that it would be curved in design. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Course, you know, I wanted it to be expandable and shrinkable, but um that uh doesn't seem to b be one of the choic non-option we can uh [disfmarker] we can really seriously explore, [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] so then we were thinking about um rubber, [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] but um unfortunately that's been eliminated because of the heat uh factor [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] and th um there might be some [vocalsound] problems with the m uh how it's [disfmarker] [vocalsound] uh goes with the board. [vocalsound] Uh and uh then th plastic also has this problem of melting and it's brittle [disfmarker] it gets brittle after a while, [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] so um we still had titanium and and wood available, but um unfortunately uh uh titanium's also been eliminated uh, [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] the m people in manufacturing said that you couldn't make d curved cases out of titanium, although how [vocalsound] Apple did it with th PowerBook I'm not su quite sure but uh nevertheless um they've eliminated all of our options except wood. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] At least it's environmentally friendly. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] So, [vocalsound] this is our finding. And a as she said, it's an environmentally friendly uh material, so we're [disfmarker] we're [vocalsound] currently uh proposing, [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] uh we'll get to all my personal preferences in just a second. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] So then there's this other matter of the chips and um well we could use a simple design on the board, [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [disfmarker] uh these simple chips, but that's only works for the bu you don't get very much um intelligence with this simple one. And um then there was the regular which [vocalsound] I regret that I've forgotten exactly why I'm eliminating that one. Uh the other option was this advanced chip on print, [vocalsound] and uh we liked th we we found that it it includes this infrared sender, [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] which w 'member the beam was [disfmarker] that was an important component of finding the right chip. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] And uh manufacturing has told us that they've um uh recently developed a uh a sensor and a speaker that would uh be integrated into this advanced chip on print, so uh we we uh now jumping right to our personal preferences um I I'd really think we should, you know, use some of uh some really exotic woods, like um, [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] you know uh, well you guys come from tropical countries so you can kinda think of some trees and some nice woods. I think that people will might really want to design their own cases, you see, they could do sort of a [disfmarker] this um three-dimensional design on the internet, and then they could submit their orders, kinda like you submit a custom car order, you know, and you can choose the colour and the size of the wheels and the colours of the leather and things like that, and then I uh think we should go with the solar cells as well as the um microphone and speaker on the advanced chip. So this is the findings of our research [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] and my recommendations um for the new remote control w um would be to have um have it be made out of wood. Do you have any problems with that? [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Can you go back uh one slide? [speaker003:] I'm not sure, how do I [disfmarker] Oh, I know, let's see. [speaker002:] Thank you. Yeah. [speaker003:] Let's go back up here. [speaker001:] Yes, uh [gap] question, uh, what's mean exactly, advanced chip on print? What's the meaning of that? [speaker003:] I think it's um um a multiple uh chip design um [vocalsound] and it's uh maybe printed on to the circuit board. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] Uh I could find out more about that uh before the next fi next meeting. [speaker001:] Yeah, is it means it's on the [disfmarker] yeah is it on a micro-proc micro-processor based or uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] I don't know, but I'll find out more at our next meeting. [speaker001:] Okay, tha that would be great, so if you find out from the technology background, okay, [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] so that would be good. [speaker003:] Sounds good. [speaker002:] Why was the plastic eliminated as a possible material? [speaker003:] Because um it gets brittle, cracks [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] Um We want [disfmarker] we expect these um [vocalsound] uh these remote controls to be around for several hundred years. So. [vocalsound] Good ex [vocalsound] [gap] Good expression. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Whic [speaker004:] Wow, [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Which [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] good expression. Well after us. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] I don't know, speak for yourself, I'm planning to be around for a while. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Although I think [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] I think with wood though you'd run into the same types of problems, wouldn't you, I mean it chips, it if you drop it, [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] uh it's [disfmarker] I'm not su [vocalsound] [speaker001:] So [gap] so you're not convinced about the the wood, yes. [speaker004:] Actually, I'm ready to sell it. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [gap] you're what? [speaker004:] I'm ready to sell it. [speaker002:] I think [vocalsound] if you re if you use really good quality wood, then it might work, [speaker003:] [vocalsound] You think? [vocalsound] And you could [disfmarker] you could sell oils with it, to take care of it. [speaker004:] No y [vocalsound] no no no, [speaker002:] but you can't just use [disfmarker] [speaker004:] the o the only w the only wood you can use are the ones that are hard, extremely hard wood, [speaker002:] Yeah, exactly, yeah. [speaker004:] but there are some very pretty woods out there [vocalsound]. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Well I'm glad you [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] That's actually very innovative idea. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Okay, good. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Sorr having a hard time keeping wi control over my face. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Well, it's actually a very innovative n different idea that uh you know you can choose your colour of wood, your type of wood. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] The stain. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] I mean it's [disfmarker] each person is gonna have their own personalised, individualised speech recognition remote control in wood, that's not on the market. [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah, so it it's looks good the the design the functional design uh, [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] what about yo you? [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Um, in terms of comments on this or in terms of my own [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yes, in t yes, in term in terms of comments first [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] In turns of wow. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] She works in the cubicle next to me so she's uh she was already a little bit prepared for this [vocalsound]. [speaker002:] Y yeah. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Luckily Ed was not. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Wood? [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] I think we can get the quality materials then [vocalsound] it shouldn't influence the design principles too much, which you'll see with my presentation. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] One thing we'd have to check though is what the users [disfmarker] whether [disfmarker] how quickly the novelty wears off of having uh [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Mm-hmm. Yeah, you wouldn't wanna have to have splinters in your hand while you're using your [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [disfmarker] Yeah, for example. [vocalsound] So, have to see how kid-friendly it is and and all that, [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] It's really good if your dog gets ahold of it, they can use it [vocalsound] [gap] for teething. [speaker002:] but [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] They do that anyway with the rubber and plastic, so [vocalsound], and chew 'em up. [speaker003:] Yeah, they do it with other materials as well, yeah. [speaker004:] And chew 'em up. [speaker001:] Okay then, uh, let's move to Agnes. [speaker002:] Sure. [speaker003:] Oh, I'm sorry. [speaker001:] S you're [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] You are in participant three. [speaker002:] One point three, yeah [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Uh, yeah. [speaker001:] This one? [speaker002:] I think so, yeah. Yeah, that's the one. So, it's a very short presentation, 'cause I'm actually gonna draw you the layout on the board so if you want to just go straight to the second slide, um, which basically shows, sort of [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] I took the ideas that we were talking about last time um and tried to put that into the remote control so the things that y you can actually see on it are the on off switch, volume and channel control, the menu access button, ergonomic shape, which I completely agree with Christine's idea to have it sort of molded, so it's slightly more ergonomic and comfortable to hold than the r standard very straight remote controls. And actually the other thing with the wood if we take your customising idea, is that people can actually do sort of quasi-measurements on their hand size, so if someone has larger hands, you have a wider remote control. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Right, my hand is uh different size than yours for example. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] So, that's actually a really good idea for customi customisability. Um, one thing I thought might be kind of interesting is to put a flip screen on it, just like you have on flip phones, [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] so that you don't have this case where someone sits on the remote control or accidentally puts their hand on it, especially if you have little kids around, they're not pressing the buttons while you're trying to watch a TV show and accidentally change the channel or turn it off. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] And also [vocalsound] um you had issues with the batteries running out, [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] so I thought maybe we could put a little battery life-light on it that kind of goes dimmer and dimmer and dimmer as your battery is [disfmarker] starts to die. And in terms of invisible features, audio and um tactile feedback on button presses and, like you said, speech recognition. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] So, in terms of what this thing would actually look like [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Despite working in interface design, I'm not the greatest artist in the world, so you'll have to forgive me. [vocalsound] [vocalsound] You'd have something like this with an on-off switch fairly big, sort of in the corner and by itself, so you don't accidentally turn your TV off while you're trying to manoeuvre other buttons. And then you have sort of one of those toggle displays for, oops, channels and volume, sort of for surfing channels and then volume, so the volume would be the up and down, 'cause volume goes up and down and then channels left to right. And then here you'd have your sort of standard, telephonish number pad. [vocalsound] And then on one side you would have an access to the menu on your TV [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] and on the other side a way to turn off the voice control. So that if the user doesn't want to use their voice, they can just turn it off and you don't have the remote control accidentally changing things on you. [speaker003:] Mm. Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Um, so again you can have a little LCD light somewhere, the flip [vocalsound] thing and [disfmarker] Have I forgotten anything? I don't think so. So, as you can see, it's a very very simple design, [speaker004:] No. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] which is one of the things I really wanted to keep, is keep it simple, not have too many buttons, not have too many functionalities thrown into it. Think the design can pretty much carry over to everything, although with the wood the flip screen might have to do something slightly different. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] A hinge. Be like a copper hinge or you know. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yeah. But you also have to d start watching out for the weight, 'cause depending on how much the the flip screen will add to the weight of the remote control, you don't want it to start getting too heavy. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. Mm. [speaker002:] But that's the general layout with the general functionalities, if we come up with something else. As you can see, there's still lots of space on the actual remote control and if you do it customisably, [vocalsound] you can make this thing fairly small or fairly o large, depending on personal preferences. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Hmm. [speaker002:] So, that's pretty much [vocalsound] all I had to say, I mean, everything else in terms of design issues. Um the centering of the key pad and [vocalsound] the channel is just depending on where your thumb is and you tend to use the the volume control and uh the browsing more than the actual number pad, [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] so that would be sort of in direct line of where your thumb goes when you are holding the remote control, [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] the number pad a little bit lower 'cause it's used less frequently. [speaker003:] Mm. Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] So once we decide exactly what we want, then we can figure out the exact positioning, but more or less I think it should go along those lines. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] So what's your, uh, the comments or uh s [speaker004:] Simple design. It's what consumers want. [speaker001:] Okay [speaker004:] It's almost like, Houston, we have a product here. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Problem is obviously gonna be cost. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] Okay, I also have a f [vocalsound] very simple presentation, [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] because for the marketing point you have to see what the consumers want. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] I also have uh copied a different type of remote. If you can find me, where I'm at. [vocalsound] There should only be one in here. [gap] trend watch. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Sure. [speaker004:] It's being modified. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] They're stealing our product. [vocalsound] We've been giving simple [vocalsound] questionnaires in different areas because th [gap] obviously we have to see what the com consumers are looking for today, 'cause uh trends change very very quickly. In six months maybe this idea is already gone out the window, so it's gonna be a question how fast we can act. Uh they already erased the rest of mine, huh. [speaker003:] No, f go to findings. [speaker002:] No, no. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] No no, no no. [vocalsound] 'Cause I had another comment there. Uh the market trend. This is what we know from the last uh [disfmarker] from the [vocalsound] questionnaires from the the [disfmarker] all the p surveys we've done, fancy and feel-good, that's what we've been looking for, something that feels good in the hand, that's easy to use. Looking for next generation of innovation, because all the remotes out there now, they're all very similar, they all do the same thing, [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] we have to have something completely different. Okay? Easy to use, has always has become [disfmarker] has become another major interest that uh, with the whiteboard we can see that it's a remote that's easy to use. And I think this is another thing that's interesting is the consumers actually willing to pay the price for exciting tel technology. So even if we have a product that may be more expensive, if it comes out right, if they [gap] look [disfmarker] it looks and feels good and has technology. The second two, you can see the last one is a very easy simple design. [vocalsound] The second one, there is about uh forty-five thousand different buttons on it, which makes it fairly hard to read, uh very hard to use. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] The first one, I see [vocalsound] that they put in a display. Now there's something else uh with the little flip-up, now we're adding all kinds of things in, but with the little flip-up, if you have a little display on the flip-up that when you close it everything is locked. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. Yeah. [speaker004:] Maybe the display also makes it easier to use, because sometimes when you're looking for buttons, maybe if you see a display [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Context-sensitive instructions, depending on what the tel what mode the TV or the DVD or something else is in. [speaker002:] Right. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Okay Because I've seen [disfmarker] mostly the standard ones, [speaker002:] Especially you might need something like that for training the speech recognition and [speaker004:] yeah. Now you have it [disfmarker] now you have one with the very simple also. The idea is simple, but with a display, so you can see what you're doing. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] So maybe if we can incorporate the easiness of use, trendy, fancy, feels good, [vocalsound] uh with a display, wood, designer wood, designer colours [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] You know, maybe what you could do is when somebody orders the device id you could send them like um [vocalsound] a uh [vocalsound] uh b some sort of a foam rubber um ball, [speaker004:] we might've [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Oh yeah. [speaker003:] and then they would squeeze it, and it would take the shape of their hand. [speaker002:] Yeah, so it's really molded to to your specific [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] To t [vocalsound] an [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] and then you would know like [vocalsound] um what the geometry of their hands would be and uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] How hard they squeeze? [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yes [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Resistance resistance, right. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] you'd know what kind of wood to get. [speaker002:] But th for that you'd also have to do sort of an average across families and things like that if [disfmarker] unless everyone has their own personal remote. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] That's right, that's right, you wouldn't wanna go too far down that. Oh that [disfmarker] that actually would uh increase the um [disfmarker] the revenues we could expect, yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] The sales, yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] The [disfmarker] Yeah. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] I hope so. [speaker004:] No, but incorporating the three uh obviously it'd be something totally new on the market, totally different [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] and from [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Well, already the customisability is a really good sort of new gimmick. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Although, what it [disfmarker] was it uh [disfmarker] it was uh Nokia that came out with this changeable colours. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] Right, you take it apart, and put on another face, take it off and put on another face [speaker002:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Right, mm. [speaker004:] and then they sold millions, millions. [speaker002:] And that took off, yeah, yeah. [speaker004:] So. So say with the f with the findings, with the research, easy to use something totally new. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] We have to come up with something totally new that is not on the market. [speaker003:] We'd also have to wor um consider that uh who we were gonna get to make these custom cases in terms of manufacturing processes, we might wanna um learn about um [vocalsound] labour laws. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] You know in different countries and stuff wher so we can do it cheap, but you don't wanna exploit uh labour in um third world countries. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] So actually you could turn it y turn around and say that you're uh par the reason the cost is high for the device is because um you're paying a a working wage to the person who made the device. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Yeah, but we can get a production in, uh [vocalsound], countries like, uh, India [speaker003:] Cost of living is low. [speaker001:] [disfmarker] yes, yes, countries like India or China or Malaysia, so you can go a better features and better price and you can sell more. So [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Good, well th that'd be something that manufacturing would have to um explore more [speaker001:] Yeah, [vocalsound] yeah, so [speaker002:] Mm yeah. [speaker003:] and to where [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yes. [speaker004:] Where w Where it would be manufactured is is another step. [speaker001:] So [disfmarker] Yeah, so [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah [speaker004:] We're here to design, come up with a nice product. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yes uh, but uh that that we can that we can talk about the production later, okay, depends on the the quantity, okay. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] So we don't need to have our own uh fabric factory or something, so we can have a tie-up with who the do the fabric, okay, for the different uh electronics items, then we can have a business tie-up and to get [disfmarker] to cut the cost, okay, to sell more. So, but uh le let's decide first about the components concept and uh interface concept, okay, if is acceptable for both of you, what uh Ed was talking. And your design [vocalsound] whether you want with the display or without display or just a simple, so [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [vocalsound] I think it depends, I mean I think it's a good idea, but we need to really think about how useful it's gonna be because theoretically with the TV you already have a big display [vocalsound] right in front of you. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Hmm. [speaker002:] So, if we're trying to keep costs down, then maybe sacrificing the display is a way to go. [speaker003:] Hmm. [speaker002:] I mean it depends on how much putting a display costs and what it would be used for [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Hmm. [speaker002:] very specifically what it would be used for, [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] 'cause if it's only used for one little thing, then putting in a big display case or a big display that's probably expensive just to do the training on the chip for the speech recognition or whatever, may not be the most cost-efficient way to go, [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] but that's just sort of speculation, I mean. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] What do you think Ed? Do you [disfmarker] he liked the display in one of the concepts that you showed, um, do you know how much it costs, um, to to add a little display like this uh? [speaker004:] [vocalsound] No. No [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Do you wanna take an action item to go find out? [speaker004:] [gap] no p spec [vocalsound] It's 'cause we have to find out cost on it. [speaker003:] Okay. [vocalsound] Sorry about that. [speaker004:] Um, no that's no problem. I'm here for the [vocalsound] pushing it after it's made. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yes. [speaker004:] I will market it. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Once we get a price on it then we can market it. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] So the [vocalsound] the advanced chip on print is what um what we've [vocalsound] we've deci we've determined [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] and the uh engineering industrial design is the recommendation, and um I think we've kinda come to some agreement regarding um this concept of a wooden case. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] A customisable and [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Nice beautiful mahogany red wooden case. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] What about the buttons, would [disfmarker] Would the buttons be wood too, or [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Uh I don't think so, no, [speaker001:] I don't think so. [speaker003:] I think they could be rubber like they are now, [speaker001:] Yes. Yes. [speaker003:] so you have that tactile experience of [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Don't looks nice uh. Yeah, so uh what we'll do is, uh, we will stick with the the simple design for time being until uh th Ed find outs about the how much it's cost to the extra, in case we go for the display. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Okay. So maybe what you can do is uh, both of you, you can come up with the the prototype, okay, the model. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] Okay? [speaker002:] Sure. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] So um are we done with this meeting? [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yeah, I hope, if [disfmarker] is it okay if uh they will come up with the prototype design, okay. Then they can show you how it looks like, and then we can uh submit to the [vocalsound] [disfmarker] I will submit to the management. Okay? Then meantime you can come up with the price, how much it's cost as extra for uh the display. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] And a marketing strategy. [speaker001:] An and the marketing strategy, that's very important, okay. [speaker004:] And marketing strategy, thank you. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yes. How much you can [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Fired. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] how mu how much how much you can sell extra. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Of course you'll make money too, so it it's not only pay-out, you make money too, your commission. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Okay, so, any questions? [speaker002:] No. [speaker001:] So, by next meeting, so, please come up with the the prototype, okay, then uh, then we can proceed from there. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] It's okay? [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] So thanks for all your uh efforts and coming for the meeting again, and see you soon then. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] Okay? Thank you.

[speaker002:] Oops. [speaker001:] So, hello everyone. [vocalsound] We're here to have a kick-off meeting for the design of a [disfmarker] f for the beginning of new project um [vocalsound] uh remote control for the design for a new remote control [vocalsound]. I'm the Project Manager Christa Pavlov and [vocalsound] okay let's begin. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] So I'm first going to do an opening then we get used to one anothers and we speak about this tool we're going to design and try to make a project plan, some discussion and then we talk of uh the next meeting. So um we want to to do a new remote control. It has to be original, trendy and user friendly. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Um I think the important points we have to t talk about are uh it's functional design, it's conceptual design, and desail detailed design. [gap] and for that we're going um all to work individually and then have meeting during the whole day. Um, so [vocalsound] let's try the whiteboard [vocalsound]. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] Wow. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Um so any of you who want to go. [speaker002:] Yeah, for favourite animals. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] It's gonna be not my favourite one but the one I can draw. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] And it's gonna be [disfmarker] you'll try to guess. [speaker004:] Wow. [vocalsound] [vocalsound] Complex. [speaker001:] Wow. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Huh? A cat. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] No. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] No. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] No. Darn. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Uh. [speaker001:] A rabbit. [speaker002:] Yes, that's a rabbit. [speaker004:] A what? [speaker002:] That's my favourite one. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] A rabbit. [speaker004:] A r a rabbit, oh oh yeah, [speaker003:] Rabbit. [speaker004:] where is the carrot? [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] That's it. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Okay [vocalsound] mm-hmm. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] You want to go? [speaker004:] I am not very good at uh [vocalsound] this kind of stuff. [speaker002:] Hmm. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] My favourite animal is [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] You wa [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Wow. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] A human [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Guess. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] ah. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] A human, yay. It's a very complex animal [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] No. [speaker004:] and um [disfmarker] yeah. Characteristics of this this animal is [vocalsound] dangerous. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Mm I think you're supposed to, yeah. [speaker003:] Is the white [disfmarker] okay. [speaker001:] Hmm. [speaker003:] I guess you can [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [gap]. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Wow. That's cobra. [speaker004:] Ah, a kind of uh snake? Cobra? Exactly [vocalsound]. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah uh not really. [vocalsound] Small cobra. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] No, it just [disfmarker] small cobra, yeah. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Uh-huh. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Is that a worm? Or [vocalsound] [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] It's co c quite recognisable. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] What about you uh [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Uh yeah Christa Pavlov [vocalsound] Mm. [speaker004:] Christa? [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Chris. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Christa [vocalsound] Christa. [speaker004:] A fish. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker002:] Hmm. [speaker001:] Smiling fish [vocalsound]. [speaker003:] Smile fish. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker004:] A smiling fish. [vocalsound] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] So, w whiteboard is working? [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Good. [vocalsound] Next. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Next. Let's talk about money. [speaker002:] Just tr try to guess who is a User Interface Designer. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah, well. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] According to the drawings. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yeah, you're [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Not me. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] So. [speaker004:] So. Twenty five Euro for a remote control. [speaker001:] Yeah, mm that's the price we want to [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Hmm. [speaker001:] that's the aim for the price for the remote control. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker001:] We aim to do [vocalsound] this profit. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] 'tis big number. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] On the international market. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yeah. Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] Yeah, we're to sell two million then. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Wow. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Mm [vocalsound] for a production cost of mm twelve fifty Euros maximum. [vocalsound] 'Kay [vocalsound]. So any of you have experience in remote controls? [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Uh yes, we have plenty at home. [speaker003:] Mm yeah. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] In fact, my daughter likes l [vocalsound] [gap] [vocalsound] remote controls. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] That [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Mm. To eat? [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] To eat? Yeah, mainly, and to break. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] So that could be a great um [vocalsound] application. Remote controls children proof. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. Yeah. [speaker001:] Mm mm-hmm. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Ye ye yeah. [speaker002:] Children proof. Hmm. [speaker004:] So she likes uh buttons [vocalsound] which make click, [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker003:] Yeah, pret [speaker004:] so [vocalsound] it has to click. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] So they have to be waterproof maybe? [speaker004:] It has to be uh wha [vocalsound] baby proof [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] 'Cause they eat [disfmarker] she ate it. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] yeah [vocalsound] but mainly it has to be very robust because even if she's not very tall she's uh [vocalsound] high enough so that uh when she throw it away it's uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Ah. [speaker004:] So it has to be very robust. [speaker002:] Okay, unbreakable. [speaker004:] Unbreakable, yeah. [speaker002:] Uh-huh. [speaker003:] Yeah, we have some child lock or something, yeah. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] And uh [vocalsound] it has to be nice looking, [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] colourful, maybe [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Colourful, yeah mm. [speaker002:] Colourful? That's not practical. [speaker004:] colourful, because uh nobody has colourful remote control [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] No, that's a good idea. [speaker003:] Yeah, it's always black or [disfmarker] yeah. [speaker004:] they're always black, yeah, [speaker001:] Mm mm-mm. [speaker002:] No. [speaker004:] but this one could be I dunno, purple or b [speaker002:] But how gonna [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] okay, just uh but it's uh monochrome it's n it's not like [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah, yeah. [speaker001:] No, [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] because you think, why not. [speaker004:] One colour. [speaker002:] Otherwise you will never find it. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah, yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah even we can change colours, no? Like the uh [speaker004:] Oh like the phones, [speaker003:] like the phones and these things we c yeah. [speaker004:] yeah, it could change colours, yeah. [speaker002:] Cool. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] At least for children like one colour and [gap]. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Ch [speaker004:] Yeah. [vocalsound] Good. [speaker001:] Good idea. [speaker003:] And it should be really [gap] small and [gap]. [speaker001:] Small also? Don't you think [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Huh not so big like [disfmarker] yeah. [speaker001:] No uh, not too much buttons or [disfmarker] mm. [speaker003:] Yeah, not too much buttons and [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Should it be, y you know these uh remote controls where um they are what they call a universal ret remote control [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] so y you can decide that now it's the remote control for the television, then it's the remote control for the the sound system, or for your refrigerator [speaker003:] Uh. Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] Yeah, [speaker004:] [vocalsound] whatever [vocalsound] I dunno if it's [disfmarker] [speaker001:] that's [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Or if we should have a targeted re remote control. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] So colour, robustness, easy to use, size, [speaker001:] So, I think there's [disfmarker] [speaker004:] yeah, size matters, yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah. Colour, [vocalsound] size, sh [speaker001:] So you you think it's better if small than bigger. [speaker003:] Yeah, maybe at least n not bigger than this I guess. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Mm. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yeah, but without any extremes like n not of this size, not too large. Okay. [speaker001:] No, not too small, yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah yeah, [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] at least it should hold in your hand n properly, like [gap]. [speaker001:] Hmm. [speaker002:] Yeah, like a palm sized. [speaker003:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker002:] Just to hold it. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] But uh what would be different from this, from the others? I dunno if [vocalsound] [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Uh maybe we can change the colours that [disfmarker] at least the frame. [speaker004:] Yeah, at least the colour would be different. [speaker003:] Mm. S so then it depends [disfmarker] you are to [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker003:] Mm I mean you c you can easily remove the frame [gap]. [speaker004:] I think one thing important for instance in this remote control if you remember when people use it they're [disfmarker] they never find a good button in the right place. [speaker003:] Yeah, yeah. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] For some reason they they they click the off button when they want to use the [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker004:] So there's a problem in the design of that kind of remote control somehow, [speaker001:] Mm. So, some kind of idea uh with um um [vocalsound] cellular phone with a a screen that will tell you what [disfmarker] [speaker004:] I dunno [gap]. [speaker002:] No, no screens, it's too complex. [speaker001:] no. Okay. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Too expensive for twelve Euro? [speaker003:] Mm. [vocalsound] Too expensive, yeah. [speaker002:] And n maybe not too expensive, [speaker001:] And too expensive. [speaker002:] well it's not my problem, but well okay. [speaker004:] Ah. [speaker002:] But no screens on remote controls. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker004:] I thought it could be only a screen [vocalsound] which would change depending on uh uh the use or even the user. So ma I prefer to have the off button at the top right, [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] Ye yeah. [speaker004:] so I would have my own design of the remote control because it's in fact just a a full touch screen remote control, [speaker003:] Hmm. [speaker004:] if you [disfmarker] if you like. [speaker003:] I mean it it's like [speaker004:] I don't know if it makes sense, but [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Mm-mm. [speaker003:] [disfmarker] it's like two types no? [vocalsound] people are right handed or left handed so y because I am left handed I use like this, say if you're right handed you use like this [speaker004:] Yeah, for instance, mm. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. [speaker003:] or [disfmarker] so tha your switch on and off should be on [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. Mm mm mm. [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker001:] So adaptable [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [disfmarker] yeah. [speaker001:] [disfmarker] yeah something [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Adaptable. Alright, good, [speaker004:] Maybe, if if it's possible, yeah. [speaker003:] Mm [vocalsound] [speaker001:] yeah. [speaker002:] so how many actions do we need to implement in it? [speaker003:] huh. Maybe I think even we can keep two switches and then we can uh only make one working. [speaker002:] On off? [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker003:] We can adapt only one switch, suppose here like we can make two switches and if I'm left-hander I use this switch to follow the main operations. [speaker002:] I mean if it's less than three uh then we can make it uh like a [speaker003:] Two. [speaker004:] Three buttons you mean? [speaker002:] [vocalsound] like three mental states, [speaker001:] Three option. [speaker004:] Ah. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] yeah you know what I mean, [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] we can just make it uh [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker001:] Um. [speaker002:] controlled by a brain, huh? [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Mm-hmm, yeah, sure. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Maybe if it's more, if there is a software inside [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] that ask you three [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Hmm. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] If it [disfmarker] if we want a r universal remote control that we sa like we say before it may may need more than three mm three button, three mm possibilities, ye yeah. [speaker002:] Sh sure, sure. [speaker004:] Yeah, more than three actions that you may want to do at a given time. [speaker003:] Mm yeah. Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] But for standard actions you usually what do you do, you change channels, you adjust volume, and nothing else. [speaker004:] Yeah but for instance when you change channels you can have [disfmarker] you can just go to the next one or go to channel twenty five. [speaker003:] Mm. Yeah. [speaker001:] Mm. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] And that's already more complex to go to channel twenty five. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] You do this? [speaker003:] Yeah [vocalsound]. [speaker004:] Uh no. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] I usually just change channels. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Because I'm only using three or four channels but [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yeah. But they keep generally their t slash slash uh this thing and then the dash dash and then you can put [disfmarker] yeah, you can only have one bit. [speaker001:] Yeah. I change channel like this, m uh I want to go to twenty five, and then to ten, uh-huh mm yeah. [speaker003:] Dash. [speaker004:] And then back to the one I was before, [speaker001:] Also we can be here [disfmarker] [speaker004:] so there's [disfmarker] whichever it was. [speaker002:] Uh-huh. [speaker003:] Yeah you can [disfmarker] yeah. [speaker001:] yeah, that would be cool. [speaker002:] Go back button is good. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. Uh uh we had that in in other countries. [speaker002:] I once had it. [speaker003:] Yeah yeah, the previous button is [gap]. [speaker001:] Mm [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah e even the history so you could like uh undo [vocalsound] previous of the previous. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] yeah. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] Uh, okay. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] History. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Oh [vocalsound] uh [vocalsound]. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Then you can watch what your [disfmarker] ah you could also record your [disfmarker] record your [vocalsound] sequence of actions, [speaker003:] Uh. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] that becomes more complex, but you could look at what uh the other people have used there or [disfmarker] [vocalsound] remote controls. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yeah yeah, what the [disfmarker] which channels the viewer [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Mm-mm. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker004:] maybe it's a [disfmarker] [speaker001:] So I think we have full of idea. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker001:] Um we're going to meet again in thirty minutes and uh I want you to mm [vocalsound] work on these ideas and try to make a uh [vocalsound] the ones, [vocalsound] make um [disfmarker] to decide what what are the ones important and what are the one that we don't want. [vocalsound] And um m maybe more in the technical parts what uh do we want to do. Um. [vocalsound] So um your personal coach will send you some instruction for for this thirty minutes. [speaker004:] So what does ME means? ME the user requirements? Or that's uh that's for us? [speaker002:] Market Expert. [speaker003:] Marketing [disfmarker] yeah [vocalsound] [gap]. [speaker001:] Mm. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Uh that's me. [vocalsound] Oh, of course [vocalsound] yeah, [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] the user requirement specifications, uh-huh, yeah. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] Okay. [vocalsound] I'll think of that. [speaker001:] Mm okay. So. [speaker004:] So? [speaker001:] I think that's all. [speaker004:] Meeting's over? Great. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker003:] Thank you. [speaker004:] Thank you. [speaker002:] Thank you everybody. [speaker001:] See you in thirty minutes.

[speaker001:] Okay, so now we are on the conceptual design meeting. [vocalsound] Uh y getting close to the last [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] is the penultim meeting. [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] How was lunch? [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Thanks [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Mm great. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Don't be sarcastic. [vocalsound] Mark. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] So [vocalsound] um I will again do the secretary part uh we will have three presentation first um uh the industrial design, first Rama then Mark and then Sammy. [speaker004:] Uh Rama. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Ramaro. [speaker001:] Um um we have to take a decision on the control [disfmarker] remote control concepts and we have forty minutes. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] So what we want to [disfmarker] the decision we want to take on this meeting are on the um first on the component concept, so what kind of energy we use uh what kind of chip on print and one ki kind of case. And also on user interface concept uh what kind of interface we use and if there is some supplements. And at the end um Sammy will give um [vocalsound] a trend watching on what he's [disfmarker] he's been doing. It's [disfmarker] So, let's go. First with Rama. Participant two. [speaker003:] Yeah, participant two. Component. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] Yep. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] So we're to mainly design f mainly need to know which components we'll use for energy, and the material and interface. For energy there are maybe two or three possibilities. First one, we can use simple battery, or we can use [vocalsound] traditional solar cells or [disfmarker] mm and the material we can have plastic, rubber which is good for this RSA [speaker004:] Ah. [speaker003:] and then uh titanium, which can be [disfmarker] which have very good look an and then interface we're to use push buttons or liquid crystal d LCD display. And we can use some [gap], moving [gap] kind of thing. So, as we discussed before, we need to [disfmarker] we would like to have some speech recognition s chip in our remote control. So this can be simple kind of programmable chip and [disfmarker] which can use microphone [gap] sensors. And we also want to look at our remote control, so. Still we are looking for possible uh technical uh specifications and how w easy we can do and within our pri range, like we're to [disfmarker] in our twelve Euros or around that. So we are looking for simple devices or simple technology to do the location of remote control in a room or in a house. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm, okay. [speaker003:] So uh we discussed an [disfmarker] [vocalsound] Excuse me. So we would like to propose battery instead of solar cells and it would be problematic uh to have enough energy with the solar cells [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] and so we would like to just use simple battery. And also we want to go for titanium design instead of rubber or [disfmarker] and well the problem is with this design we found that we can't use double-curved shapes. [speaker004:] What is a double-curved shape? [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Like you can have two curves. [speaker004:] Uh-huh. [speaker002:] Why? [speaker003:] Uh it's [disfmarker] I think in manufacturing I guess it's problematic. So, we want to go for simple push buttons because it need a simple chip and it's really lesser [disfmarker] uh re really less expensive compared to LCD [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] which are uh which needs advanced chip technology and it's more expensive, since we want to put some other features such as speech recognition [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] we want to reduce uh cost. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Um I want to know why it b uh just uh sorry but for the point before uh why not the rubber, if it is something that it seems to be light. [speaker004:] The cost. [speaker003:] Uh [disfmarker] Uh [disfmarker] And also like in [disfmarker] if you put a [gap] it's be difficult to do all the moulding of buttons and these things [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] and [disfmarker] [speaker001:] You m titanium it's more uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] W we can use something like you know [vocalsound] the whole body's titanium but there are some rubber or I dunno some rubber parts like [speaker004:] Mm like this? [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yes so mm [disfmarker] [speaker002:] to make it feel better and to you know [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Like in cell phones recently [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] these [disfmarker] you can [gap] with the rubber in four directions and [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker001:] Uh-huh. Okay. [gap] [speaker003:] yeah. But full assembly [disfmarker] We'll use mainly for titanium [gap] [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] rubber is expensive [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] and also it's bit difficult to do all the shapes uh. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] And this push buttons [speaker001:] Uh yeah so [speaker003:] [disfmarker] we we would like to use push buttons instead of LCDs and so we want to mo I mean we're [gap] we want to put speech recognition so we want to reduce price on this technology and so that we can have enough space or enough money [speaker001:] Okay, s so simple button and uh speech recognition for the more complicated. [speaker003:] for [disfmarker] S S [speaker004:] Speech [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Y yeah we have simple buttons and speech recognition technology, [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] Okay, [speaker003:] so [disfmarker] [speaker002:] and still we have [disfmarker] mm can we still include the L LSD display? [speaker004:] LCD. [speaker002:] LCD yeah LCD. [speaker003:] Uh l [speaker004:] Seems not, it's either LCD or push-button. [speaker003:] So uh it's like a [disfmarker] [speaker002:] No, it's not gonna be a t no touchable but still like a source of information or source for menus. [speaker004:] Ah. [speaker003:] Yeah maybe maybe we can see depending on how we'll come up with our full design then if we have enough money or like for and [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Okay, so let's try it, [speaker003:] because the speech recognition technology will take at least five Euros or [gap] or something [speaker002:] let's t [speaker003:] so we want to reduce the cost on display [speaker004:] [gap] The LCD would [disfmarker] [speaker003:] or this inter [speaker004:] The display would only be display and not uh touch sensitive you mean. [speaker002:] Yeah, yeah, it's it's not gonna be a touch pad, uh just a display for giving you information. [speaker004:] Just uh for output, yeah. Yeah. [speaker003:] Ok Yeah, that can we we can consider, [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] because like it won't take much money I guess, [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] because [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] Okay, yep. [speaker001:] [gap] Mm. [speaker003:] You have any further questions or? [speaker004:] I guess no um. So the batteries uh are going to be very light. [speaker003:] Yeah. Yeah, we're to go for li and now I think we have many options in the market so we can go for small nickel or alkaline batteries [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] for really light batteries and with uh good price. [speaker004:] So this device on n that can be used for speech recognition could also be used for just uh the finding it basically, instead of clapping why not just be [disfmarker] ask. [speaker003:] Yeah, that's [disfmarker] then the the one thing we want to know is like because remote control is used for like in the household so it it it will be it [disfmarker] m maybe at least five, six people want to use it so so how to uh uh how to define our re speech recognition [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] whether we want to do s speaker independent or speaker dependent. If we're going for more speaker independent then it would be like again cumbersome and we need really m more technology and so [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Okay, for the location. [speaker003:] Yeah, if if everybody in the house n [gap] to locate then we're to go for some speaker independent technology or something. [speaker001:] Hmm. [speaker004:] Okay. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Okay. So let's now go to the [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [gap] [speaker001:] you don't have more question? [speaker004:] No, it's okay. [speaker002:] No more questions. [speaker001:] Um mm thank you mm. [speaker003:] Yep. Thank you. [speaker004:] Puts less of constraint on what we can do but [speaker002:] Mm yeah, yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] it's always like that. We have dreams and the [disfmarker] in the end we find out that it's not feasible. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah, but [disfmarker] mm. [speaker003:] Oh. We have uh some limitations [gap]. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Anyway. [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker002:] But still uh LSD's already quite nice, [speaker004:] LCD. LSD is something else, [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Okay. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] LC [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] and it's quite nice as well. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] I'm an artist, sorry. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] So, [speaker002:] So uh, that's not [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Um [vocalsound] yeah. [speaker004:] go on uh artist. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] I hope that's not too much. [speaker001:] Now let's talk about uh interface. [speaker002:] Okay. [vocalsound] Uh participant number three. [speaker001:] Three. [speaker003:] Three. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Uh [speaker001:] Which one? [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Hmm. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] mm mm uh have a look at this [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] no it's [disfmarker] yeah. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker002:] [gap] Uh so the concept of the interface. Generally I developed quite a broad concept not only for the interface, but for possible instruction or user's manual and uh all the complex things that come together with your TV and remote controls. So let's start with this. We got our perfect remote control with a lot of buttons [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] and uh we got explanation for every button and you can use your time and uh it will take i some days to learn all this buttons and um the LCD is going to be somewhere here and uh go back button, I don't know really where it is, maybe one of this buttons, and um power on and off mm I I don't remember [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Mm. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] so uh it it it should be maybe this button is power on and off? Or no [gap]? I can see nothing. So that's our concept. It's called the millennium remote control. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Let's change millenniums. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] So [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] maybe you can use [gap] in the end and [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [gap] doesn't make sense. This is very [vocalsound] ugly. [speaker002:] Really? [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] I thought you like it. [speaker004:] Oh no, [speaker002:] Ah okay just press the button, please uh. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] too much concept. Ah. [speaker001:] No. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah, we will not use this. We will not use this. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] But instead of this I will devise [disfmarker] That's our concept. [speaker004:] Ah, back today. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] And it's got just few buttons, quite low looking, and all this stuff we already we already discussed. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. 'Kay. [speaker002:] And uh what will people say? They'll say it's perfect. Or what will say? Uh they will say it's splendid. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] And uh e everyone will say I'll buy it. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] [gap] Do you think it can come in several colours? [speaker002:] And everyone's gonna be satisfied. [speaker004:] Or did the [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] I would make a backlight of the LCD screen with different colours. [speaker004:] Um but not the case. [speaker002:] Not the case. [speaker004:] Uh the case would only be in that uh aluminium uh titanium stuff, like [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker001:] Because apparently from your survey people like colours, no? [speaker004:] Yeah, [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] well they like uh something which is uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Okay, so let's remember there's a Nokia phone which changeable panels. [speaker004:] Mm yeah, okay, so that would be the option [speaker002:] Do you like it? [speaker004:] I don't know I don't have a Nokia phone, [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] But it's uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] but I don't use that but again, uh I might [disfmarker] [speaker002:] That's why you don't have it. That's why, [speaker004:] Yeah, bu but [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] 'cause it's nasty. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] But it would be expensive, no? If you use colour LCD. [speaker002:] No. [speaker003:] Uh instead of that maybe we can change the colour of the assembler. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] Maybe we can just [disfmarker] if users want more colours they can pay more money to get this uh the shapes and they can have different assembly. [speaker002:] Um, I am here. [speaker003:] So users have different [disfmarker] I mean they have their own interests, colour interests and so [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Okay. So? [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] So we can just [disfmarker] if they want they can just pay another two Euro. [speaker001:] Uh-huh, okay, [speaker002:] 'Kay. [speaker001:] so you you propose something with option i that increase the price if we [disfmarker] if you want o more colours [vocalsound] on LCD, [speaker003:] Yeah. Yeah yeah yes. If they want like uh [disfmarker] so that we can [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Kind of upgradable uh [vocalsound] remote control. [speaker003:] yeah. [speaker001:] yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Wow, wow. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] Just they'll get few more things and few more colours. [speaker002:] Okay, what uh [disfmarker] there's one more decisi uh one more solution in fact, um [vocalsound] 'cause there are some some paints that can change colour according to where they are, like they can reflect different colours depending on what is around, like what colour is around, and depending on the temperature, [speaker003:] Lights, yeah. [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker001:] And thermodynamic also. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] Like a chameleon. [speaker002:] yeah. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] Yeah yeah. [speaker002:] We can make it in fact. [speaker001:] Yeah [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker001:] but that's maybe mo too much expensive, yeah. [speaker002:] If if if the [disfmarker] okay. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] But uh it can be in uh maybe in an [disfmarker] a gradable version, [speaker002:] Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] but [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Because uh I think there are two kinds of people. [speaker002:] so [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Those for which the remote control is uh is to be uh something useful uh I'm going to talk about this later but [disfmarker] and those for which is something that that that uh is uh specific to them so it it's like a signature. My remote control is pink. Nobody else than me has a pink remote control. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Uh-huh. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] And that makes me special. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Okay and you think that we don't have to make to make them pay more because of [vocalsound] uh o or this is [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] I think I think they would be ready p ready to pay more for that. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Okay, so [speaker004:] Those who wanted to have it pink. [speaker001:] so [vocalsound] i [speaker003:] Uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] it's not uh a s base service [speaker004:] No mm no. [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker001:] it's a [disfmarker] [speaker002:] So, [gap] be an option, yeah. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker004:] It might be optional, yeah. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] But those people will be really few, no? So like we can [gap] those [disfmarker] [speaker004:] The the young people the young people want to be different from their friends. [speaker003:] Ah. [speaker004:] Although similar but have something just slightly better. Pink [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] So m so [speaker003:] Mm. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] maybe that's [disfmarker] [vocalsound] if that it's a selling point maybe it has to be the base. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah, yeah, [speaker004:] Mm. Yeah. [speaker002:] yeah. But you know if you want to be different you just take your remote control with you all the time. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] And you'll be different. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] And it makes you different, [speaker004:] Yeah, yeah. [speaker002:] you know? [speaker004:] You always have your remote. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Uh in the train uh, hello uh no. [vocalsound] Want to change my neighbour. [speaker004:] Oh, you don't? [vocalsound] Yeah. You don't have your remo [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Anyone has their remote controls here? No? [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Wh you you know like for instance take the iPod. It's a kind of remote control. [vocalsound] Uh it's white [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] and it's so white that you see it from any anywhere. It has this distinctive look and feel and look [gap] [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker004:] which people seems to like [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker004:] just because it's [vocalsound] a colour that we don't usually see in a remote control. White. [speaker002:] Uh-huh, uh-huh. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Could we integrate something into our remote control, something like light? [speaker004:] Seems important. [speaker003:] Hmm. [speaker002:] That they can use it in darkness, like. Hand light, [speaker004:] Mm [gap] glow in the dark, [speaker003:] [gap] [speaker002:] yeah. [speaker004:] so [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah maybe like the infrared like we can put some radium chips or something [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] so that like [disfmarker] at least um [disfmarker] yeah. [speaker001:] Iradium? [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Okay. Okay. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [gap] [vocalsound] Yeah, [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Ah sorry. Mm. [speaker003:] that [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Okay. So mm [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker002:] Okay. S well, let's go on maybe with the presentation. [speaker004:] Yeah. Uh-huh, yeah sure. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] And um the remote control's going to be smart [speaker003:] Oh. [speaker002:] but how smart should it be to not to complicate things too much? [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] And uh [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] I dunno that's a question to you and to mm to [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Well so I heard that uh it seems that speech recognition is something that can be done uh so that's the smartness of the thing. Currently we don't have guns with speech recognition or uh beer cans with speech recognition [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] but we may have remote controls with speech recognition. [speaker002:] Okay, okay. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] I dunno. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Mm, that's a nice world. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] So just just just just think about it um. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [gap] Thank you. [speaker004:] Don't touch the remote. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] But [disfmarker] yeah. Are are you saying here that uh the remote controls should be aware of who is using it? So for instance the young guy would not be able to use it because his father doesn't want. [speaker002:] Uh yeah [speaker004:] Like with some [disfmarker] [speaker002:] I just want to say it should be real smart. [speaker004:] Maybe fingerprint recognition or [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Voice recognition is quite tough. I say don't use it, and the control just looks. [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] 'Cause I ordered jus To l to l lock it. [speaker004:] Um [disfmarker] Mm. [speaker003:] Uh that [disfmarker] mm that could be feasible I guess, like [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker003:] So since we have [disfmarker] we want to do some speaker dependent speech recognition uh so we can use [disfmarker] [speaker004:] So it could be smart in that way. [speaker003:] yeah. Yeah, yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Mm. Okay. [speaker004:] But for instance th I I'm thinking about the other uh uh particularity that the the remote control could have. S since it it knows who is using it, it might also record the kind of uh channels you are u more often using and uh levels of volumes that you're more often uh [disfmarker] things like that [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah, sure. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] and provide you ways of using them, I dunno, somehow, I dunno, [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] that might be expensive but [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] Uh it's [disfmarker] [speaker004:] that might also be a good sales pitch again. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Hmm. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] The remote that knows you. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] Okay, thanks. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] So [speaker004:] My turn? [speaker001:] it's [disfmarker] yeah, Marketing Expert. [speaker004:] [gap] Okay, it's alright. [speaker001:] Participant two? [speaker003:] Four. [speaker001:] Four, [speaker004:] Four, I think. [speaker001:] sorry. [speaker004:] Trend, yeah. No uh yes. Okay, so I'm going to talk about trends and um I hope this can help us to to understand l how we should design our remote control. So, next slide please. So first maybe just a small recap on [vocalsound] how how do we watch trends so it's not so uh simple you might think that it's easy but uh it's not so simple. Anyway these days uh the best uh source of information is the web as you know, so have to to go often on the web and look at uh what the others are doing, and ask real people who are using real remote controls every day uh or any other tool that is similar to a remote control which basically is a small device that people [gap] have with them, always, like a phone. We can we can use the phone as a as a good uh uh [vocalsound] example of where to in be inspired. Of course those tha d who are watching the trends are also [disfmarker] have also to be inspired because in fact they're not only watching the trends, they're inventing it, they're creating the trend. I hope I'm going to try to help you on that. This is more risky because you're not following the trend, [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] you try to invent it, which means either you succeed and you make a lot of money or you don't and you're out of business. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] So anyway uh next slide please. [vocalsound] Uh to be to be quick [vocalsound] there's a lot of words here but uh basically there are [disfmarker] uh in in the market of of remote controls there are three aspects that we should very [disfmarker] pay much attention to. The first one, which seems to be the most important one, is that it has to be fancy, it has to have a fancy look and feel. And uh interestingly this is the very most important thing. It has to be fancy. Strangely enough it's more important to be fancy than to be wi and now that's the second thing it has to be, it has to be technologically i innovative, [speaker003:] [gap] [speaker004:] it has to be new with some of uh new uh technology inside and uh and this is also uh more important than the last thing which we w may think that would have been the most important, which is that it should be easy to use and it should be easy to use as a remote control. So as you see uh [vocalsound] it first have to be very nice, s something that people are proud of uh uh that i uh they can be id identified with uh and and then uh something that um contains very novel stuff that they can talk about with their friends, huh, mine has this and not yours. And finally of course it has to be useful as a remote control but it seems that it's not so important that it's useful as a remote control. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Next slide please. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker004:] Uh and now in a more uh general uh uh broad way of seeing th uh the thing. If we look back and not uh look at only remote controls I think it's important to see that the trends are quite the same in many areas so [disfmarker] currently the the trends that we see in l in l big cities like Paris and Milan, well, it seems that this year things should have uh a fruit and vegetable uh way of [vocalsound] of look or feel [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [gap] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] or so. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] And I think of course uh [vocalsound] i it applies to everything. That's the thing with trends. [vocalsound] It it can travel f from clothe to furniture [vocalsound] same idea. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Fruit and vegetable. Think fruit and vegetable. [vocalsound] And uh if we co we compare to last year, now it has to be spongy, [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker002:] What is spongy? [speaker004:] yeah. Well this [vocalsound] so so I think uh uh i [speaker003:] Yeah [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] kind of um maybe [disfmarker] [gap] [speaker004:] When we were talking about rubber, I think uh the rubber aspect might be important [speaker003:] Yeah it [disfmarker] [speaker004:] because it's what is probably more feasible in terms of sponginess. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] S [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] So maybe titanium it's not a good idea. [speaker004:] Seems not, seems not. [speaker003:] [gap] We need to think about [disfmarker] mm mm. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] So [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Um [vocalsound] sorry Mark. It seems to be [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Think more of uh something in the colours of uh like fruit and vegetables and spongy, [speaker003:] Fruit. Even shape? [speaker004:] as a [disfmarker] even in the shape it has to be more round and uh more uh uh look natural somehow. I mean [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] More [gap] [speaker001:] Mm-mm. [speaker003:] yeah. Yeah. [speaker004:] And not those futuristic uh remote control with angles and uh and titanium like. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Mm. [speaker004:] So that's what people seem to [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Hmm. [vocalsound] You're old-fashioned. [speaker004:] yeah i I know it's quite far from what you thought [speaker001:] Sorry. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] but that's that's fashion [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] and [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] Okay that's all I have to say. [speaker001:] Mm you have questions? [speaker003:] So these abilities are mainly ad addressed by young people? Or it's [disfmarker] [speaker004:] These [disfmarker] I'm sorry. [speaker003:] This [disfmarker] you you [gap] so did you [gap] [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah, yeah we have people uh uh listening to the trends everywhere in the world, of course, [speaker003:] Where? Oh. Oh, okay, mm-hmm. [speaker004:] as you know our company is quite big and uh so I'm just asking them what are the current trends according to them when they go in the stores and when they ask uh their uh friends [speaker003:] It's not from [disfmarker] mm. Mm-hmm. Yeah. [speaker004:] that are also [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah. It's more general trend [speaker004:] well. [speaker003:] it's not particular to the remote control. [speaker004:] No, it's not it's not [disfmarker] this this is very general, yeah. But it seems that trends travel across things. [speaker003:] Mm. Yeah. [speaker004:] The [disfmarker] what we [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah but some materials n they're to be uh they're to be something like solid like they can't be really spongy [speaker004:] Sure. [speaker003:] or [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah. We have to [disfmarker] I think we have to have the look of fruit and vegetables [speaker003:] yeah yeah. yeah, yeah sponge, yeah yeah at least that's [disfmarker] [speaker004:] but we still have to put our chips inside, so [disfmarker] [vocalsound] of course. [speaker003:] Yeah yeah [speaker004:] This is your problem. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] that [disfmarker] yeah yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] This is not mine. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah. Yeah, looking [disfmarker] yeah fruit. These things can be easily incorporated. We can have t colours or this shape [speaker004:] Yeah, I think in the colours and in the uh the kind of material. [speaker003:] or at least [disfmarker] [speaker004:] If if it's something like rubber made or [disfmarker] I think it it's also going to be good. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] Okay? [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Okay. [vocalsound] No more question? Okay. [speaker004:] Yep. Thanks. [speaker001:] So [disfmarker] [vocalsound] Mm-hmm. Okay, so we will have uh next meeting in thirty minutes again. Um now you have to go straight on this individual action which i which are for Rama uh wil design, [speaker003:] Look and feel de [speaker001:] um Mark the user interface design, and uh Sammy uh the product evaluation. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Uh you will work together uh on a new on on a prototype using modelling clay. [speaker003:] Hmm. Hmm. Mm sounds interesting. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Mm-hmm um and I [disfmarker] [vocalsound] as always your personal coach will send you specific instruction. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker004:] Thanks. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] So, can we highlight the specific features of our [gap] [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah you're right, you have to [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] yeah, so so we want the speech recogniser and we want some kind of buttons and we want some themes like fruits or vegetables, that's [disfmarker] [speaker001:] So [speaker003:] we want to follow general trend. [speaker001:] you say s [speaker004:] Spongy. [speaker001:] S [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] do we agree on that? Yeah. We have to. [speaker003:] So, [speaker004:] [vocalsound] No, we don't have to, [speaker003:] do you think [disfmarker] [speaker002:] So we have to uh for [disfmarker] [speaker001:] No. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] but seems it's the trend. [speaker003:] Hmm. Yeah. [speaker004:] Again, as I said we can also try to make it, to create the trend. [speaker002:] yeah so [speaker004:] So there's no [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] are we confident enough on creating trends? [speaker004:] Well, that's [disfmarker] you t can try to convince us. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Well, we can make it smell like fruit. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Okay. [vocalsound] [gap] that's a good idea, [speaker001:] Okay, [vocalsound] that's a good idea. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] That's [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] So titanium smell like fruit. [speaker004:] I [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] So what about location and these things, people are really interesting on those features? Or they really like [disfmarker] They more want these fancy features [speaker004:] Uh [disfmarker] I think i yeah [speaker003:] like [disfmarker] [speaker004:] i it's again in this uh what I said first it has to be fancy so I think if nobody else pro provides currently a remote control with that kind of stuff and if we can provide it I think it's a good sell for us [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] Feature [disfmarker] Yeah. [speaker004:] because we have it [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] and others don't. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] It's fancy. Whether it's useful or not doesn't seem to be very important. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] I I agree with uh this uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Now we have to decide on what kind of fanciness. Do we take titanium smelling like fruit, [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] or do we make spongy uh fruity-like [speaker003:] Yeah. Uh we will try to explore these two options [speaker004:] Maybe you could explore the two option. [speaker003:] and [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Mm. Yeah, yeah. [speaker003:] yeah yeah. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. Could we make a titanium shape? I mean [gap] fruit-shaped. [speaker003:] Uh yeah [speaker001:] [gap] [speaker003:] at least like we can make banana or [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Don't you say that you cannot do double shape [disfmarker] uh curved shape [disfmarker] [speaker002:] But [disfmarker] [speaker003:] yeah [speaker002:] Doub double-curved. [speaker004:] Mm. Seems to be [gap]. [speaker003:] it's it's yeah [speaker001:] yeah. [speaker003:] that's a [disfmarker] we're to look for [gap] [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. Okay. [speaker003:] and and s we're to see the [disfmarker] whether rubber is expensive [speaker002:] Okay, okay. [speaker003:] and d [speaker002:] In fact I just agreed to make uh to make the [disfmarker] like titanium panels on a whole rubber body. [speaker003:] Hmm. [speaker002:] Well, okay [speaker001:] Mm-mm. Okay, so [speaker002:] w we'll see. [speaker001:] you explore now that you're going to work together these these two. [speaker002:] Yeah [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker001:] Or or spongy an [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] yeah. [gap] [speaker003:] Maybe we can have two different [gap] assembly also like one spongy and one kind of titanium. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker003:] [gap] we have only the plastic or the [disfmarker] the chippy [disfmarker] yeah fibre chips or [disfmarker] [speaker002:] We'll see. We'll see. [speaker004:] If you have time. [speaker001:] Mm. Yeah I don't think w I think we have to choose. If we choose uh titanium or if we choose spongy [speaker003:] Uh. [speaker001:] but uh it cannot be both. [speaker002:] We'll see. I I really don't like this modelling clay [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] 'cause you know it makes some [gap] for for [speaker004:] [vocalsound] For creation. [speaker002:] I dunno uh [disfmarker] yeah um [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] we'll look. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Ah you can pretend that it's uh titanium. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Even design. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] You can paint it afterward [gap]. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Okay, okay. [speaker004:] No problem. We have a very large department of [vocalsound] paint. [speaker001:] Yeah, do don't worry, you you [vocalsound] you speak with [disfmarker] mm mm. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] You will do it. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Alright, alright. [speaker001:] Okay. So explore a shape. [speaker003:] So still we want to keep LCD? Or [disfmarker] [gap] [speaker001:] Mm I think it's what we say, that we have an uh an LCD with uh information. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker001:] Not uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] The thing is that uh if we want to have as he says [disfmarker] if we want to have uh a small number of buttons we need to have a kind of output that says currently what their actions are. [speaker003:] Yeah, then we can [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] yeah, yeah, that [disfmarker] user friendly or [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker004:] That's the converse to having zillions of button [speaker003:] Mm. Yeah. [speaker004:] where each button does only one thing. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] and we just stick with two batteries so it's not any solar or [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah. Classical, we stay classical in that we don't reinvent uh the wheel. [speaker003:] yeah yeah j yeah, [speaker001:] Yeah, yeah, yeah. [speaker003:] because [disfmarker] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker001:] Mm. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Anyway it's very [disfmarker] in general I think people uh change TV more often than batteries of their remote control. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] So. [vocalsound] Because the trend goes faster than the life of the [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] So it's [gap] very [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker001:] So [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker001:] are we [disfmarker] [speaker004:] We're done. [speaker003:] Yeah, we're done. [speaker001:] mm. [vocalsound] Okay. So see you in thirty minutes. [speaker003:] Yep.

[speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker001:] Okay everyone's ready. [speaker002:] Hello. [speaker001:] So we are here for uh for uh functional design. [speaker002:] [gap] [speaker001:] Okay? So we are here for the functional design meeting mm [vocalsound] so first I will show the agenda so we will uh I will take notes during this meeting so [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] I will try to summarise it and put that summary in the shared folder if you want to look at it afterwards so then uh each of you will uh lead a presentation on the task that has been required last time so user requirement specification, technical function design and working design. Then I will uh present you some new project requirements I received from uh the management board. Then we will take uh the decision on on the remote control uh needed functions and then I will assign you the task for the next part of the meeting. Of the [disfmarker] of the process. So uh who want to start the the presentation of what they did? [speaker003:] F do you want to start? [speaker002:] Make a start yeah. [speaker001:] You can start. [speaker002:] So. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Cable, camera. [speaker001:] You have uh PowerPoint? [speaker002:] Should be in my [disfmarker] in their folder no? [speaker001:] Ah yeah maybe there. [speaker002:] Up. [speaker001:] Okay. Who are you? [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Um at three I think. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] No? [vocalsound] Mm. [speaker001:] Ouch. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] And [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Okay. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] We have a technical problem uh. [speaker002:] Do we think w s in the [disfmarker] in the wrong folder maybe? [vocalsound] It is possible. [speaker001:] You put it on [disfmarker] [speaker003:] No. [speaker002:] It was somewhere in something like this. I don't remember the name actually must be something like messenger AMI or something. [speaker003:] What do you have in short cut? [speaker002:] Go up. [speaker003:] Participant two. [speaker002:] Yeah go up. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Again. No. Go back. [speaker001:] You have no [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Uh maybe messenger AMI. Messenger. [speaker001:] Over. Okay. [speaker002:] No. There is nothing. [speaker001:] There's no [disfmarker] We have a technical problem. [speaker002:] Let's go and check. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] I'll go and check. [speaker003:] Otherwise, could you just describe by hand? [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker003:] With the the whiteboard? [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] If you remember yeah [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] but that's [disfmarker] [speaker002:] So uh. Basically [vocalsound] what we want here is a remote control right. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] So um the question well first of all what to control. So [vocalsound] most people want to have a a remote for their hi-fi and TV and stuff like that. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] And [disfmarker] but other people want th also remotes for [vocalsound] controlling uh and toys like robotic pets and little robots and stuff [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] and other people also want to have remotes for controlling um whole house. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah, so there's a project I think called X house or something like that that does that, uh you can integrate your remote with uh computers stuff. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] So [vocalsound] there is one [disfmarker] that is one thing. The other is the the finder feature yeah by whistling or whatever. Uh if you have the finder feature then you can also have [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker002:] uh at the same time as [disfmarker] and general voice commands if you want yeah. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] So I think it should be a package in that case. Uh so the user interface will consist of two parts. [vocalsound] One is the voice command part and on one is the actual buttons part. [vocalsound] Uh and th the buttons part would be uh a set of buttons for choosing devices, a set of buttons for special navigation in space, [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] a set of buttons for [vocalsound] linear access of medium and a set of buttons for random access. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] Yeah? [speaker003:] What do you mean by linear access then? [speaker002:] Like a video tape goes forward, backwards, uh fast and stuff yeah. [speaker003:] Ah. [speaker002:] Um. [speaker001:] Okay so special navigation, linear access, random access and there's a fourth one no? [speaker002:] Mm? [speaker001:] So the better now for special navigation? [speaker002:] Yeah. For special navigation for example you might have a TV in the menu and you going to change yeah? [speaker001:] Okay. Then linear access [speaker002:] Uh. [speaker001:] then random access. [speaker002:] Mm. Yeah and also parameter changing. [speaker001:] Ah yeah parameter okay. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] So if there are common parameters maybe we should put special buttons for that um [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] or maybe we could have everything uh generic but uh there are a lot of uh remotes on the market right now and [vocalsound] basically this is most of the [disfmarker] almost everybody has this stuff. [speaker001:] Okay. Okay and and voice command did you uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Voice command w we could specify anything. We could assign any button [disfmarker] a command to any button, if we have enough processing power, [speaker001:] Okay. Okay. [speaker002:] I guess so. [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] So that's uh that close your investigations? [speaker002:] Yeah. Uh yeah I think so. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] Not so far. [speaker001:] Okay. Maybe we can have a look at the user requirements with [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah. [vocalsound] Um I dunno if you can open the [disfmarker] [speaker001:] I dunno if I can open it. [speaker004:] uh m is not here. [speaker001:] Maybe you can s It's [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Uh in [disfmarker] yeah okay. [speaker001:] Messenger no? [speaker004:] No. In document [gap]. Mm computer yeah. [speaker001:] In which folder? [speaker002:] Where did you put it? [speaker004:] Here. Here. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Short-cut to AMI shared folder? [speaker002:] [gap] mm. [speaker004:] But it's not [disfmarker] Um. [speaker001:] Maybe you can send it to me by email. Just to participant one. At AMI. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. Yeah, I can do that. [speaker001:] I will try to show it to everyone, that would be more comfortable. [speaker004:] Okay. Um. [speaker001:] You send it? [speaker004:] [vocalsound] It's participant one? [speaker001:] Yeah. Uh this is this email. [speaker002:] I'm designing the user interface. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Okay. You can uh. [speaker001:] Okay. So maybe I can switch slides when you [disfmarker] whenever you ask, [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] that will be more convenient. So okay, [speaker004:] Okay so you can [disfmarker] you can go. [speaker001:] functional requirements. [speaker004:] Okay so [vocalsound] in our usability lab we observed the remote control use among one hundred subjects [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker004:] and the subjects also filled a questionnaire [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] okay? And here I have the results so you can see that um seventy five per cent of users find most remote controls ugly so we have to find something to make them more [vocalsound] more nice, more kind. Eighty per cents of users would spend more money when the remote control would look fancy. [vocalsound] Eighty hundred per cent of users would spend more money when the remote control would look [disfmarker] oh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] to [disfmarker] it's not good. [vocalsound] So okay. So it's not in theory [disfmarker] [speaker001:] We can just keep doing that? [speaker004:] but I I can I can say yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Fifty f uh seventy five per cent of users say they s zap a lot. So mm [vocalsound] we have to have a remote control uh very um [vocalsound] out for that. [vocalsound] Uh the buttons have [disfmarker] are to be um uh uh like you say resist resisting to to shocks. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Um and fifty per cents of users say they only use uh [vocalsound] ten per cents of but of the buttons in the [disfmarker] in the remote control. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] So all the buttons we we have to put are [disfmarker] have to to have um a use a real use and not only or [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Okay. Okay, so fewer buttons maybe would be good? [speaker004:] Yeah. F not many buttons, and uh and uh uh u useable buttons [vocalsound]. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] But what kind of remote controls did you look at? [speaker004:] Sorry? [speaker002:] What kind of task was it? It was a TV? [speaker004:] Yeah. Uh [vocalsound] most for most is TV. [speaker001:] Yeah. Yeah but in fact we [disfmarker] it it seems that we are going to make a TV remote control according to new requirements I received from the management [speaker002:] Huh. Uh-huh. [speaker001:] bo I will present them in the following. [speaker002:] Ah! Good. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] 'Kay you can go so. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] So there are other frustrations expressed by users, so they said uh they lost uh often the remote control in in the room so they want to have a way to [vocalsound] to [speaker001:] Yeah. To find it. [speaker004:] to find it. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Um and um lot of the time they [disfmarker] it takes too much time to learn how to use a new remote control. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] So they want something s really very simple and uh easy to use. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] And uh remote controls are bad for [speaker001:] What is her other side? [speaker004:] RSI [vocalsound] um [disfmarker] I dunno. [speaker002:] Other side yeah, yo wa your wrist [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] It i can become painful you can have tendonditis. [speaker001:] Oh yeah? [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] I did not knew that. [speaker002:] If you also [gap] up on a computer in a strange position. [speaker001:] Okay so you [disfmarker] we have to make it uh more ergonomic yeah. [speaker002:] Ergonomic. But uh [vocalsound]. Have to say ha ha. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] It's your job [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Oh. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Uh. [speaker001:] Uh sorry [vocalsound] got a message from Microsoft. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Okay um before that I I have some some [vocalsound] some thing [vocalsound] uh to say before um [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah. Yeah yeah. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] We know that uh the user use uh a lot their um remote control um to to change channel. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Um and um to to change uh volume selection of the [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] and uh and not uh a lot for setting [disfmarker] for setting the the channels and uh thing things like that. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] So it's better to put uh uh uh something very easy to set and uh and [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah. This function should be very uh accessible. [speaker004:] Very accessible yes. [speaker001:] Yeah, okay. [speaker004:] That's right. [speaker001:] This is the main function okay. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] So then we asked some questions to them and um we asked this question if they prefer an LCD screen or on their remultific function remotes control [speaker001:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker004:] and if they mm pay more for speech recognition in remote control [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] and you can go [vocalsound] we have here the results of [speaker002:] The first question. [speaker004:] of the questions. So you know that um [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] for the younger it's very important [speaker001:] To have LCD and voice. [speaker004:] to have the s yes and speech recognition. And uh and the others is not so important but uh we know that uh uh people between fifteen and twenty five are people who watch a lot TV and uh who who wh can use a lot this uh. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] So maybe we we can have a speech recognition in. [speaker001:] Yeah maybe this this is important. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Moreover th maybe those uh like those teenager customer could advice their parents to buy this equipment and so we can [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] we have to take care of that point of view I think or so. [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Okay and if there is th the conclusion now. So as we say before, I think uh um a remote control lightening in the dark it's it's a good thing. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] Uh not to many mud buttons like we we said before, e easy to use uh a way to find it easily in the room and uh uh resistant to to shock [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] and to to [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] An I s no, yeah. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Okay these are the user requi [speaker004:] [vocalsound] I dunno if you see something else important or [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] I'm just thinking of some thing. [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Um [disfmarker] We want to have a [disfmarker] no, I don't know if this is a good idea. We want to have a a general remote control for everything. [speaker001:] No no no. We [disfmarker] w it seems that we no want to have a TV remote control. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker001:] From the management board I receive an email. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Cos it would be costly uh and and also it it would take more time to develop to have a a general generic remote control. [speaker003:] Yeah. Yeah yeah. Yeah. [speaker002:] Mm [disfmarker] I [disfmarker] it's not true I think. The the second claim that you put. [speaker003:] No no. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] That it would be too long to develop. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] I think that should be the same. [speaker001:] Oh yeah. Because I received that email from management board and they seems to tell that that if we want to be on the market as early as possible we should uh focus on TV more where it seems that the market is more important. So maybe it's a good decision. I dunno. What's your opinion? [speaker002:] I have uh I've no idea I mean I should know a bit more about how fast we can uh design it. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] I don't think [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Uh yeah. [speaker003:] Finish tonight. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yeah. Okay. Yeah. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] But basically yeah maybe I can continue with my presentation, it would be al you [disfmarker] you [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] but I think we have some technical problem or so. So I'm just going to describe briefly what we do in the remote control. [speaker001:] Maybe you can go to the whiteboard if you have some drawings to do [speaker003:] If fact [disfmarker] [speaker001:] I don't know. [speaker003:] Yeah [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker003:] but [disfmarker] Do I have [disfmarker] oh yeah. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Now I have enough cables. [speaker002:] Like a [disfmarker] you feel a bit like a dog with this stuff. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Okay so I'm just going to describe [disfmarker] in fact for for a remote control this is quite easy. We just have [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] sorry, [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] I'm going [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Okay. Are you okay? [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Like that. I'm just going to describe. Basically we have a a battery a power supply here. After that we just have um user interface. Let's say that um something like that, which could be um a LCD let's say or um an array of push button, something like that. Push button or a LCD. After that we we feed that into um uh an electronic chip. So I say UC and I feed that to uh LED which is uh infrared [disfmarker] um which is a an infrared um component. And so what we [disfmarker] for for myself this [disfmarker] for for us this is quite easy. [speaker001:] UC is the central unit? [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Okay yeah. [speaker003:] Y it's a [disfmarker] it's [disfmarker] this just a chip which does all the um numerical [speaker001:] Computation. [speaker003:] numerical computation according to your display. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] And so for us uh this is quite easy. We just need to take [disfmarker] to define what we want to do when the user interface um wants something and after that we just do the coding to s and send that to to to the [disfmarker] not the [disfmarker] to the television. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] So for us this is quite easy. [speaker001:] Okay so this is quite easy. [speaker003:] Yeah. Um we just have to define the processing power that we need uh [speaker001:] There is not that much constraints. [speaker003:] especially if we want to do some uh speech recognition, in that case that mean that we are going to use more for simple [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] This will [disfmarker] think this will take more time to develop also. [speaker003:] Yeah of course of course. [speaker002:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] And um but for a standard one this is really easy. It's a question of one month and so on s [speaker002:] Soon. [speaker001:] To have a [disfmarker] you s you speak about with voi voice control? [speaker003:] No no no no, I say [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Standard button one. [speaker003:] yeah [disfmarker] standard uh standard remote control takes maybe uh one month to to do that. [speaker002:] Yeah. So the only time problem is the sp voice recognition. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Definitely. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] So do you have any idea of how long it would take to have voice recognition now? [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Ten years. [speaker003:] I would say [vocalsound]. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] I would say uh about eight months to have the first results. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Okay so i it's a bit long yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. I can [disfmarker] Um. [speaker001:] One month for the standard one with button. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Even if we have a LCD display? [speaker003:] Yeah even. I mean that this is really standard devices now. Um eight. For uh speech recognition. [speaker001:] Okay yeah. Okay so we can take this into account. So who think it would be good to go for uh like speech recognition? [speaker002:] But we don't have time to market. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yeah it will. [speaker003:] And also [disfmarker] how much uh I think [speaker002:] I think we should contact management. [speaker003:] during the kickoff meeting you say that we we shouldn't [disfmarker] we shouldn't go up to twelve point five Euro per unit [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Euros. Yeah, yeah. [speaker003:] so how many units should we sell to have a [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Well. Uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Well each unit is is sell uh twenty five Euros. [speaker003:] Yeah but how many [disfmarker] yeah. [speaker002:] How muc how much do you get [disfmarker] how much do you [disfmarker] if you buy one million units h no, one hundred thousand units. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Eh chips. We're gonna need chips right. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. How much will it cost for one hundred thousand? [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Usually this is less tha at two dollars per chip. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] Because we are [disfmarker] [speaker002:] So you have any idea for a powerful one that has uh good enough for do speech recognition. [speaker003:] Yeah, [speaker002:] Yeah? Okay. [speaker003:] we can [disfmarker] [speaker002:] So. No it doesn't. [speaker001:] It seems that that we want to sell like four million units from the first meeting. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Okay. Four million. [gap] [speaker001:] Okay. Maybe we can uh we can look at the new requirement I receive from the management board and discus discuss all function we want to have. [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker003:] Um I just had a question uh [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] do you want to continue with your presenta? [speaker001:] Yeah I I will continue. [speaker003:] Is it [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Well ask your question if you want. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Um you say that I don't remember by heart but thirty per cent [speaker004:] Mm? [speaker003:] of the tested people say that's it's quite difficult to to to use the remote control. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Do they say that this is difficult but for the same reason or do they have other reason? [speaker004:] Oh. [speaker003:] To to [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Would j [speaker003:] maybe to keep in mind maybe to access to that menu you should do something like that. [speaker004:] Uh [vocalsound] yeah w I I think they they say that it's uh difficult to learn how to use it but i when you know how to use it, it's it's okay. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] And [disfmarker] [speaker004:] But [disfmarker] [speaker001:] It's not intuitive first. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] But yeah maybe and what about if we design a remote control which can be configure as you want? You say that I want, I have six button [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Mh-hmm. A a lot of people are uh [disfmarker] if you have the LCD screen if you can do it completely the way you want because the buttons also look the way you want them [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] But, but also it seems that [disfmarker] [speaker002:] but it will be hard to configure I mean imagine i uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] so it's really something for the expert user. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker002:] So [disfmarker] I mean there are markets and markets. I think the young people are th uh are uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Christine here said uh you have a [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] uh it is yeah. [vocalsound] So for our young people uh it will be cool, they can be able to use it. Th maybe their parents will not but they will configure it. I guess. I don't know if there is study about that. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Maybe it would be more complex to configure it to be simple [vocalsound] than creating a simple product. [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker003:] Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker002:] And there are [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] another thing is that if we make something that's simple and easy to use that's bas to use immediately that means that it will be exactly the same as everything else. [speaker003:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker002:] All right? Otherwise, if it's different then of course everybody has [disfmarker] somebody has to learn to use it first. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. But also we we see that that most people find it [disfmarker] find remote controls too complex because they have too many buttons and they mainly use only channels and volume buttons. [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] So we may just uh make a very easy to use remote control with mainly those buttons [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] and maybe also um some lightning stuff too because most people find also hard to to find the remote control. Losed lose it etcetera. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] These [disfmarker] these are [disfmarker] these two points are the main frustrations so maybe if we design something very simple and easy to uh find when lost it will uh add uh a serious competitive advantage without making something too complex and too long to develop. [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] So but le let us see first the new requirement. So we don't have to [disfmarker] so this this uh is uh is um in the this is in the same direction as we were speaking so we don't have to make a very complex remote controls to access teletext and stuff like that [disfmarker] [speaker002:] But teletext is just one button. [speaker001:] Yeah but then you have to [disfmarker] you have to define the buttons to surf amongst pages and stuff. [speaker002:] You you just write the [disfmarker] write the numbers. [speaker001:] Yeah. So well [disfmarker] [speaker002:] So will you add with the channel keys, right? [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] So. [speaker001:] So anyway we don't have to include this feature because it's it's not used any more by users, [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] they prefer to s [speaker002:] I am. I'm sure that uh it don't like but uh I don't see just one button. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] So. [speaker001:] I dunno. If i one button is still one more button. If [disfmarker] if [disfmarker] if we want to make it very simple we have to reduce number of buttons compared to th to our competitors. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Well anyway I have this point. We can discuss. Also um [disfmarker] so as as I told before uh it would be better if it's only for the TV um because we want to be quick on on the market. And then also we have to make very uh uh clear that this uh this remote control is is part of of our products and show our corporate uh logo and and colours on the [disfmarker] on the design as well so that uh they identify it as one of our product. So this is the the key point. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] So before uh finishing we can uh define uh what would be the characteristic of the [disfmarker] o th of the control [disfmarker] of the remote control and which button do we need which function do we want etcetera. [speaker002:] Capital. [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] So do you um so so from from the the Marketing Expert I think a key aspect is the easy to use aspect, it should be very simple and most button are never used [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker001:] only ten per cent of the button are are used often so I think we have to do something very simple and I think we all agree on that point, [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] no? [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker002:] Well if it is going to be just a TV remote control it is going to be very simple. [speaker001:] Yeah okay. So yeah the key point here is simple. Maybe. [vocalsound] So few buttons, channel, volume control and what el what function do you see [speaker002:] Well if it's going to be as simple as possible then just have the remote control, there is no other function that I can see [speaker001:] in addition to that? [speaker002:] really. [speaker001:] Yeah. Maybe switch TV on and off [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Uh [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] no you want to keep television on so that the advertising can [disfmarker] revenue can come back to us. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Or something. [speaker001:] Volume, maybe a mute button, and then on off button. [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker001:] And that's all? [speaker003:] Uh I know that som you say that many people are doing plenty of [disfmarker] a lot of zapping. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] I know tha I discovered that when I did a quick look, uh they do now som they do something which is quite nice now, [speaker002:] It's a memory, yeah. [speaker003:] you have a button, you you press it, and this is uh the previous channel which has come back. [speaker001:] Okay. Yeah this is cool. Maybe we can include that also. Previous previous channel button. So we have like channel button, the previous channel button, the volume button, plus a mute button, and uh just the the traditional on off button. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] And uh and of course the channel changing buttons. [speaker001:] Yeah. I I talk about that, yeah? [speaker002:] How should they how should we implement that? Because uh could be numerical only or could be also incremental. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Incremental definitely because zapping you you switch them. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] Let's say that we can do something like that. This is uh incremental, but once you press it for a long time, you go five by five. [speaker001:] We go faster? [speaker003:] To go fa to go faster. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker002:] Mm. It's an interesting idea, that if you press it for a long time it does something else, in general. So if you you have your ten buttons for the [disfmarker] for the numeric the numerical buttons and you have [disfmarker] instead of having just one memory [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] you have if you press them for a long time [disfmarker] No. Doesn't work [vocalsound] does it. [speaker001:] Maybe we should have also a digit button [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Maybe we should have a complete keyboard and just type console commands. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Change channel to eight. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Maybe we have also to have digits or only incremental. [speaker002:] No. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] I dunno bec because if you have the [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Well if it's useful like if if you want to change between three channels for example then you h you cannot [disfmarker] you cannot cannot work with just memory being incremental. [speaker001:] Uh. Yeah. Because you have your previous channel button if you have incremental only it's not uh it isn't worth it because the previous channel is eith either minus one or plus one. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] So I think we need also digits. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker001:] Maybe we we can make very obvious the channel and volume button button and smaller button down there with the the digits. [speaker002:] Yeah when you zap usually you will have to press the same button all the time [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] and [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Or we can do something like that. We can design the remote control to have access. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] You know some remote control have uh protection [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] and so you you y [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Hey I just thought this thing [disfmarker] [speaker003:] You [disfmarker] [speaker002:] there is a [disfmarker] I mean you know there is are some [gap] with a wheel like this. Instead of having the up down buttons for uh you can have the wheel. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah, a kind of joystick. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Maybe we can have a wheel for incremental. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Okay. So have a wheel for incremental, have the digits uh on the lower side that can be closed so as you say protected, [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] and uh yeah I think this is the basi [speaker002:] On the lower side I think it [disfmarker] you have to turn it. No? [speaker001:] And do we [disfmarker] do we have a [disfmarker] [speaker002:] If we do that. [speaker003:] Or a [disfmarker] or a ball, yeah, not a a wheel but a ball, and you say uh to [disfmarker] [speaker001:] No, a wheel is better. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] I would say the wheel is better. [speaker002:] Because of that [vocalsound] [speaker001:] What is the expert of uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] The channels change one by one. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] So you have to the user has to like to should feel the the the discrete sense a bit. [speaker003:] Yeah, the [disfmarker] yeah. [speaker001:] Okay. Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] That's a good idea. Well also we have to decide uh so it should be lightening in the dark I think because most people lost their remote control. [speaker003:] 'S quite [disfmarker] it's quite easy we do that w with back light on the [disfmarker] on the wheel. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yeah. Even if i LED uh or a if if it's the LCD feature uh [speaker003:] A blue [disfmarker] a blue LED and we sell that um. [speaker002:] whatever, yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah, [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] and do we put an LCD display? [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Because it was important for young customers if you remember. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] I think it's only put on if cou have multi function. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] If you do not multi function then there is no p point in having LCD. Just increase the cost. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] The user does not have an advantage really. [speaker001:] So no LCD? [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] Hmm. [speaker001:] And so no speech as well because it w it would delay too much the development process [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker002:] Well if it's going to delay yeah but uh [vocalsound] it will be cool. It would. Because a user could say CNN for example and it would go CNN. Mm. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Yeah. That would be cool. But eight months is really long [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] and [disfmarker] Maybe we can just uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Ten years [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Okay. So um I I will uh [disfmarker] I will [disfmarker] so I we will move to next meeting so in [disfmarker] after the lunch break [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] uh here are the individual uh action uh you are required to do but you will be uh recalled to the actions by uh email I think but you can take notes if you [disfmarker] if you want but well the instruction will be sent. So thank you for uh your suggestion [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker001:] and I I will make a summary of that meeting that I will put in the shared folder you can't see [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker001:] and uh and then you will um you will be able to to see what has been uh has been said on on this meeting and and what has been decided. Uh maybe for next meeting uh send me your presentation before by email so that we can see them uh altogether. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] That would be easier. [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker002:] What is the folder that you put yours in? And did it it did work? [speaker004:] [vocalsound] No. [speaker001:] No it did not work. [speaker004:] No no. [speaker001:] She send it to me by email. [speaker002:] Ah yeah. Mm. [speaker004:] I dunno, I dunno it. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] So maybe this is better, to send it by email. [speaker002:] Okay what is your email? [speaker001:] Okay? So yeah I I'm [disfmarker] it's in the first uh email so I'm participant one at AMI [speaker002:] At participant one. Okay. [speaker001:] uh where is that, it's here. Participant one at AMI. [vocalsound] Okay. So see you after lunch break. [speaker004:] 'Kay thank you. [speaker002:] Well during lunch break actually. [vocalsound] So next time we should have a fight. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] How about uh [gap] management or something. Who happens to be your friend. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [gap]

[speaker001:] Did you get my email with the slides? Ah. Tricky. [speaker003:] I guess I have to change the pen otherwise. Will be completely different. [speaker001:] Dunno. Maybe they're supposed [disfmarker] the pen's supposed to go over the seats. Might be seat floor rather than person. Yeah, put it back. [speaker003:] Yeah. And do you think [vocalsound] it's [gap]. [speaker001:] Yep [vocalsound]. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker001:] Yeah. Jo's making faces at me. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] So. Matthew is uh late again. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Probably an important man. Um. So well it is important for him to be here uh. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yeah. So what can you [disfmarker] [gap]? [speaker002:] He he he [disfmarker] You did work together didn't you? [speaker003:] Yeah we will [disfmarker] yeah, so I will be able to to summarize uh our meeting, but still I think uh it would be in very important if the uh as um main designer. I think we can put on the [gap] here. [speaker002:] Yes. Yes. Yes. [speaker003:] Uh basically w yeah we we designed the two uh items. [speaker002:] Mm. Um yes [speaker003:] Um, can we have a phone, [speaker002:] but w we [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] can someone [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yes, maybe we should phone him. [speaker003:] it's really w well designed [vocalsound]. [speaker002:] Um well [disfmarker] Um, [speaker001:] Mm. Mm, object tracking. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] when he is not here we will just we just have to continue. Um so [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] just for record I I will take uh notes again. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] And um well [vocalsound] first thing uh I was uh uh I got an email from uh from my superior again that we really should stay within the budget of the uh twelve Euro and fifty cents. [speaker003:] 'Kay. [speaker002:] when you stay in it's good, when you don't stay in you have to redesign. There is no [vocalsound] uh no negotiation uh [vocalsound] possible in this matter. So we have to consider that. [vocalsound] Good. [speaker003:] Yep. [speaker002:] Um so maybe Anna, you can have your presentation. [speaker001:] Well we can't [disfmarker] no [disfmarker] we can't do evaluation 'til we have a design. [speaker002:] Okay Matthew. Nice uh you are here. [speaker003:] Great. [speaker002:] Great. Great. Oh ma maybe then you can start now with mm presenting your uh your designs. [speaker003:] Yep. So I will start by the the basic one that uh fits into uh eight Euros actually, right, seven eight Euros, [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] and uh well first for both they have um a special shape, maybe the designer can uh explain better than me, but uh it's like a surf board. And you you are supposed to surf to browse to surf TV, maybe the web, [speaker001:] Mm 'kay. [speaker003:] and uh it's kind of interesting shape because um unconsciously people want to s to surf [vocalsound] when they see this stuff. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Or browse. [speaker003:] And also it's not too far from um a mobile. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] So people are used to that kind of shape, [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] right. Don't take care too much about the colour because w yeah [speaker004:] Now we are supposed to give some oper offers right now. [speaker003:] we don't take [disfmarker] yeah. So here would be basically the the the infrared uh uh led [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] I [disfmarker] yeah. [speaker002:] Eye. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] yeah LA LA LED, [speaker004:] LED. [speaker003:] the on-off button, in red. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] Here would be the volume. On the on the left, [speaker001:] Oh yeah. [speaker002:] Uh-huh. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm, hmm. [speaker003:] okay, so [gap] easy to turn on t and off. [speaker002:] Yes. [speaker003:] And um so this is a very cheap version so there are [disfmarker] maybe you can carry on uh Matthew. [speaker004:] Also [vocalsound] so you have uh uh browsing the channels, actually so you can go up and down the channels, [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. Yeah. [speaker004:] uh, if you have a video or something you can forward, back. [speaker003:] How can you change from VCR to uh TV, by the way? [speaker004:] Oh [gap] no no no, this is a single [disfmarker] this this is a model with just the TV one. [speaker003:] Okay yeah. Yeah yeah. [speaker004:] No no [speaker002:] Ah, okay. [speaker004:] just sorry, this is a standard TV one, we are not talking about that. So and then we have usually there twelve keys but we know that we rel that we have only ten digits. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] The extra two are for uh having or giving an option for uh having more than one channel. And the other one is for the teletext or something you want to browse through from that. Actually. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Okay so it's it's t a very basic remote then, it's only [disfmarker] [speaker004:] It's a very basic minimal thing [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker004:] which you can [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. [speaker004:] which is which is also available in the market, actually that's what it [gap] [disfmarker] that it [disfmarker] [vocalsound] i and would cost us to build it about eight Euros. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker003:] Seven, eight, ei eight Euros. [speaker002:] Exce except for the for the special shape, the surfing board, it has a quite a a conventional layout of buttons uh. [speaker004:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] So this one model and uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Can I see? [speaker004:] yeah. Sure. [speaker001:] Thanks. Okay I like the volume control, that's good. [speaker003:] [gap] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Th [vocalsound] this is a magic one but I know we don't want to talk about that, you know like [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] uh i i i it is a very futuristic, it's like uh it's like a brain machine interface and all this stuff we are thinking about in the future, it can come. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Uh-huh. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] So it doesn't actually have buttons. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] So that uh [vocalsound] [disfmarker] then what we look t [speaker001:] Did you wanna see? [speaker004:] yeah. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. Yeah no you can carry on, [speaker004:] This is a model, yeah. [speaker002:] I just look how it feels all. Yes it really feels like like like a mobile phone. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yep. [speaker002:] Just I'm [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah actually, yeah. [speaker002:] I really want to talk to it. But [gap]. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] It won't talk back. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] So but but continue with your uh [speaker004:] Uh so well [speaker002:] mm-hmm. [speaker004:] then the this is the [vocalsound] a more a little uh smooth [speaker003:] [gap] [speaker004:] and it gives a lot of functionality, uh in this way, so all we have uh th you see there are only six keys, but don't worry they are ma they are doing the job of twelve keys actually here. [speaker001:] Right. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker004:] And so they have more space actually [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] and uh it's easy to uh use this and uh you have um so this is a standard uh [gap] uh infrared eye, and then you have a power button, which l volume, what you have, [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] and then other than that you have uh channel up and down and uh f slow pause or s slow lo [speaker003:] Play, pause. [speaker004:] yeah s pause or stop, and uh then uh you can uh you have a LCD display, here [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] and uh y this is a functional thing which can change like it's a toggle switch which could change the function say, y you press it [disfmarker] [speaker002:] From DVD player to television or something. [speaker004:] Yeah. I really can change it, [speaker003:] Exactly yeah. To audio and to video on demand. [speaker002:] Yes. [speaker004:] so [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker004:] Instead of having many switches, y [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Yes and and and then you get feedback via the LCD yeah. [speaker004:] The LCD can display what is that on that, [speaker003:] Yes. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] and uh well you can have a integrated microphone over here, [speaker003:] This is the orange button, the [vocalsound] microphone. [speaker004:] or in the button th here, so which can [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] uh basically you want to do a speech recognition and uh that channel a lot of information can be di displayed here directly on the um on your on your display. [speaker003:] An yeah. [speaker004:] And here is a small LED which is like blinking one, [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] which tells you like uh are you running out of the battery, and which is can be useful for the locating as I was talking earlier [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] okay. And uh well [speaker002:] Mm-hmm [vocalsound]. [speaker004:] then we have a cover basically, basically you don't need much of the time this, [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] when you need you can use it, and this gives additional functionality that tomorrow you want you can add a tactile thing to this cover [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Crazy dis designer, [speaker002:] Mm. Yeah [speaker004:] you know. [speaker003:] okay. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Design enter [vocalsound]. [speaker002:] but but but but uh i in there uh when this is closed, will it also uh cover up the LCD screen? [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah yeah yeah yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. It's basically to do that. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] But but the LCD screen I mean is a very uh well an eye-attracting feature [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] which shouldn't be shouldn't be [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Actually when you are watching the TV, [vocalsound] when you are watching anything or listening to them, you hardly care about what is getting displayed here, [speaker003:] Oh actually [disfmarker] well. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] That th that's true. [speaker004:] you know, uh you want to uh [disfmarker] and this gives a protection to the LCD actually, giving a cover to that actually. Gives a protection [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker004:] because when it falls down or something it it is it is is is it gives a protec [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yes. Yes, more robust. [speaker004:] it's more robust that way. Uh yeah. [speaker002:] Yes okay. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker004:] And you have very good chances [disfmarker] [speaker003:] It's low weight. You have to see yeah yeah the the components we put inside is very low weight. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] So the the cost is actually a bit more, it's uh [vocalsound] it's it's sixteen Francs. [speaker004:] It [disfmarker] Sixteen Euros. [speaker003:] Sixteen Euros [speaker002:] [gap] Okay. [speaker003:] sorry. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] So it's well outside the budget then. [speaker003:] Then it's out of budget. But the the main point we we talk about that with our uh manufacturer. [speaker002:] But w [speaker003:] And they say basically that the SR system would be uh something like three Francs per item [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah. Three Euros. [speaker003:] so three Euros sorry. And um [disfmarker] [speaker001:] That's on top of the sixteen, or is it part of that? [speaker003:] No no no, part of that, yeah. [speaker004:] Part of that [gap]. [speaker001:] So that takes it down to thirteen Euros without the speech recognition. [speaker003:] Yeah, yeah. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Mm 'kay. Hmm. [gap] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] Well uh if you [disfmarker] we can have [disfmarker] if you have new more ideas we can add new more uh some more keys if you want to you know [vocalsound] [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] Well I think th th yeah we should [vocalsound] stick with uh a number of keys [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker003:] because if we add too much then [speaker004:] Yeah it it should not be cluttering up everything. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm [gap]. [speaker003:] it's too [disfmarker] [speaker001:] What's this one on the side? [speaker004:] Ah that's for the [disfmarker] it's kind of a LED for indicating your battery [speaker003:] Locati. Location. [speaker001:] Ah okay. [speaker004:] and as well as it's like a blinking one you know [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. Mm 'kay. [speaker004:] you can keep it aside. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] I like the shape of them, I do like the the size and the the shape. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Well well [disfmarker] Mm. Be before ta talking about the money and what's possible and what is not possible, maybe Anna you can uh give our uh give us your um [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. Okay. And maybe we run the evaluation on both of the products, both of these two. [speaker002:] Yes. Evalua evaluation and also the evaluation criteria, so what what is important to look at. [speaker001:] Okay. [vocalsound] Basically this is what we've talked about already, um, from the marketing point of view. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] We just wanna make sure that we've taken into account [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Well just do it quickly [speaker001:] Yep. [speaker002:] if if we al already [gap]. [speaker001:] So it's just a shortlist of criteria on um the things that we've identified as being important to selling the product. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Um we just go through these and rate them as a group and then at the end we'll make an evaluation based on that, so just average the score of those items, so [disfmarker] [vocalsound] These are the things we identified as being important. Um [gap] the three things were look and feel, innovation and ease of use, were the three important components [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] um appealing to the correct demographic so using those things in the right way to appeal to our demographic. And then goin following the company motto, following the fashion trends and putting that into the product as well. So well do you wanna go through and put through those on the the two products now or do we wanna discuss them further and then evaluate them? [speaker002:] Um, n no why not why not discuss uh discuss it now, [gap] [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Okay. So f just go through onto the whiteboard I guess. Not sure how this is gonna come out. So the first one was really [vocalsound] very far below budget, would you want to take the price down of the end product according to that or just have the high profit on it? 'Cause if we're only going to make it for eight Euros then we have a [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Mm, well my my personal view is uh w when when this one is eight Euros we must think how can we improve it. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] And then [disfmarker] I mean w w w you must just see it [vocalsound] [disfmarker] we can still spend this four and a half Euro [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] and to r [speaker001:] Yep. [speaker002:] because th th th the the selling price is already prite fik uh uh quite fixed on twenty five Euros [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] so we just have to offer as much as as [disfmarker] well value for the for the customer uh he can have for twenty five Euro. [speaker003:] Functionality. [speaker001:] Okay so look and feel, innovation [disfmarker] [gap] [speaker004:] And now it [gap] easy to use. [speaker003:] Easy to use. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker003:] [gap] target. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. And trends. Oh, you following the idea of using the um removable covers on these? Is that part of both of them or? [speaker002:] Um well w w we can still discuss that. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] So um, and together with evaluating this uh we we might come with new ideas I mean adding things or uh removing uh of options [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] because they are too expensive, [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] but um I've received uh a framework which we can do this. I mean did you have this this Excel sheet? [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] No. [speaker004:] No. [speaker002:] No okay, [speaker001:] No. [speaker002:] this is these are the the the latest prices of our production uh uh production unit for several components, [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] so we can uh see whether the the price is is within the twelve Euro uh fifty cents uh. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. Okay. [speaker002:] So maybe we can start with this, uh, calling this one. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Okay. Yep. So it's the pink. [speaker002:] Th th this is the first design. [speaker001:] And the other one's green. [speaker002:] Yes. [speaker001:] Okay, so look and feel? Where um one is [vocalsound] I've broken the pen again. [speaker002:] Uh there is another pen. [speaker001:] S yeah. Get that one. Um w [vocalsound] one's bad and seven's the best. Sorry, one's true and seven's false. One's the best. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] So on a scale of one to seven? [speaker002:] 'Kay. Okay. So. Look and feel. Well you already feel that uh pretty much I think [vocalsound]. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [gap] [speaker002:] In i in my opinion purely feel is is is very good, is very good in your hand, [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm, yeah. [speaker002:] so I I I would consider two or or may maybe even one for feel. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] But that's just half, we should also consider look, [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] and then i it looks quite conventional. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker002:] Don't you agree? [speaker004:] Mm yeah. [speaker001:] On the scale u it's between functional and fancy basically we're looking at, [speaker002:] So maybe two. Hmm. Hmm. Ma ma ma ma maybe say say five [speaker001:] so [disfmarker] [speaker002:] I [disfmarker] It's my opinion, but I don't know what what [speaker004:] Well I will give it maybe [disfmarker] we have anyways [disfmarker] the way we have designed it's like the surf as you say [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] you know. It [disfmarker] though the look is fine but uh still I will give four in that case [speaker003:] Yeah. Four maybe. [speaker004:] you know. [speaker001:] Four? [speaker004:] Four yeah [speaker002:] Four, four. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] Now we th th [speaker004:] that [disfmarker] [speaker002:] then we settle on four. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] Yeah. I will gi yeah. [speaker001:] [gap] [speaker003:] Uh. [speaker002:] 'Kay. Can you maybe fix the other [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker003:] If you press like this not like this [gap] then you [disfmarker] [gap] [speaker001:] No that's the [disfmarker] [speaker004:] No. C can you get the batteries? [speaker001:] ink's dried. [speaker004:] No no the battery has fallen down, [speaker001:] Battery's low, [speaker004:] that's i [speaker001:] isn't it the ink? The b that's the that that one? [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] [gap] battery there. [speaker003:] But [disfmarker] [speaker004:] No no it's not that, it's how to close a battery. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker004:] Okay? Now it should be [gap]. [speaker001:] Mm. No I think it's lost a battery. [speaker002:] Mm, try it, just try it. [speaker001:] No it's [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Oh it will not [speaker001:] It would still write [speaker002:] ri [speaker001:] but it wouldn't pick it up with the sensors. [speaker002:] mm, mm. [speaker004:] Is there another battery there? Oh yeah. [speaker001:] You got a second? [speaker003:] Try a [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Well we won't be able to tell. [speaker002:] Yes, it it has a [disfmarker] mm. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Perfect. [speaker001:] Is that working? [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Did it come out? Good. Okay. [speaker002:] Good. Good. [speaker001:] Because we'll be able to see it still even if it wasn't working, it's just a normal whiteboard marker [speaker003:] Yeah, yeah. [speaker001:] but it wouldn't be picked up on the the actual whiteboard. [speaker003:] Yep. [speaker002:] Okay. So then then [disfmarker] [speaker001:] And the other one? [speaker003:] Wow. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Ah. [speaker001:] I think it's slightly better, um, [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] it's hard to tell from just the plasticine, [speaker002:] I [disfmarker] I [disfmarker] I [disfmarker] [speaker001:] but [disfmarker] [speaker002:] When we want to include [disfmarker] I I I'm doubting about this this component. It it it it breaks [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker002:] in your [disfmarker] [speaker003:] 'Kay maybe [disfmarker] [speaker004:] No [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker004:] actually this is this is not going to protrude actually, [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] it it's n i it is jus [speaker003:] It's not a button it's a led, it's a [disfmarker] [speaker004:] It's a led actually which which 'll be covering in a curve [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Ac actually yeah it should be embedded. [speaker002:] Mm, yes I see, mm okay. [speaker004:] It's [disfmarker] will be embedded there [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. Oh [speaker004:] so it won't be really you know protruding or something. [speaker003:] you can push push it again, you can push it. [speaker001:] Yeah. The other thing is, is the left hand one protruding? [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] 'Cause if people are left handed they want to use the other hand, [speaker004:] Yeah. [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker001:] maybe it won't work so well. [speaker004:] No you [disfmarker] it it not protruding actually, it will go in better into that [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] Well r r [speaker001:] I'd say two or three for that one, personally. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] Probably more towards three than two. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] I think the look is better but the feel is is is worse. So so [vocalsound] I would also say this is four. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] But w w do you [disfmarker] what do you think? [speaker004:] Uh it's fine I think. My [disfmarker] just that um the feel is that um you [disfmarker] right now you you don't see the feel because right uh for example if you press it quite inside now like this, now it's embedded one. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Mm. Mm. Yes. [speaker004:] This is how embedded one will [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yes, it basically is the same shape. [speaker004:] Yeah. It's a bas basically the same thing actually. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. Mm. [speaker004:] You will be [disfmarker] Except that in this c [speaker003:] And the LCD makes it better. Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah [vocalsound] And [vocalsound] you might have a slight thing for to forward and [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. [speaker001:] Mm, okay. [speaker003:] So I will say two. [speaker001:] Yeah it's d it's definitely more fancier than that one. [speaker004:] Yeah, yeah. [speaker002:] Yes, okay [gap]. [speaker003:] I would say two, three. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] So, consensus? Two or three? [speaker002:] Two? Mm. Two's good [speaker001:] Two? [speaker003:] Yep. [speaker002:] yes. [speaker004:] [gap] looking like [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Um, 'kay. Innovation. The first one, not really muc [speaker003:] Basically there is no innovation in the first one compared to what exists in the market, [speaker001:] Mm. Yeah. [speaker003:] right? [speaker004:] No but except for the design of the surf [vocalsound]. [speaker001:] Do we [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yeah. The surf uh design [vocalsound]. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] What [disfmarker] What features are we actually including? [speaker004:] You should be rea [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Are we including like a location kind of thing like trying to find it? [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Uh no I think it's more of the feel. [speaker001:] There's nothing like that? But th is there any there's no actual innovation in that at all, it's just a straight-out remote control. [speaker004:] Yeah, yeah. Yeah. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] The only innova innovation is the shape. [speaker003:] Yeah [gap]. [speaker004:] Say about that. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] S so that [disfmarker] [speaker001:] So there's no [disfmarker] this uh look and feel thing, though that's not a technological innovation. [speaker003:] Yeah. You're right [gap]. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] So I'd be up for seven for innovation. [speaker003:] Yeah. And the [disfmarker] And the second one is really uh state of the art, uh in terms of innovation. [speaker004:] Yep. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker003:] And um with many more functionalities, and can open and close the the bottom part. [speaker004:] Yeah, it gives it [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yes. A and the LCD screen is [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] That's that's that's well it's quite innovative. [speaker003:] And all the scrolling uh buttons and menu and pro programmable device behind this. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker003:] Uh could put it at one or two I would say. Personally. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] Yeah. Mm. Mm. Mm. Mm. [speaker004:] Yep. [speaker001:] So what is it, what are the innovations with this? Got the LCD screen. [speaker003:] Uh [disfmarker] Yeah automatic speech recognition. [speaker001:] Is that in this one though? Is this [disfmarker] 'cause this is the [disfmarker] [speaker004:] No, [speaker001:] Th th there were different options we discussed then, [speaker004:] we ha [speaker001:] we discussed the one that was in budget and the one that was out of budget. [speaker002:] We just diske discuss it as you designed it and then we will will try to get it in the budget. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] So the cost for these were [disfmarker] [speaker003:] So [vocalsound] [disfmarker] [speaker001:] what was the cost for the first one? Eight Euros? [speaker002:] Eight. [speaker003:] Eight. Well actually we have yeah to check again yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah, eight Euros yeah. [speaker001:] And this one was sixteen Euros. [speaker002:] Yes. [speaker003:] Sixteen. [speaker004:] Sixteen Euros. [speaker001:] Okay. So. Innovation for this one is two? One? [speaker004:] It's a two, I would say two [gap]. [speaker001:] Two? [speaker003:] W W un to be one what would do we nee actually, [speaker002:] Two. [speaker003:] yeah, I don't see [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Why it is one. [speaker003:] okay, one would would be without buttons, [vocalsound]. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] A man [disfmarker] w w [speaker001:] Mm. Well [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yes. [speaker001:] the speech recognition is a very good innovation I believe it, [speaker003:] Bu Yeah. [speaker001:] so [gap] [speaker003:] So maybe we can put one. [speaker002:] This this is it w with the speech recognition? [speaker003:] It's using speech recognition, yeah. [speaker004:] Okay yeah. [speaker002:] Well. Gi given that [vocalsound] that it works, [speaker001:] Give it a one? [speaker003:] Yeah, one, yeah. [speaker001:] Yep. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] then it's I think one. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] [gap] [speaker001:] Ease of use? [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] So the first one is really standard, so everybody i including our grandmothers can use it, [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker004:] He is used to it act [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker003:] right? [speaker004:] They are used to it actually. [speaker001:] Yep. So that's maybe a a two for ease of use. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Here there may [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Um, the other one is quite easy, tho though. [speaker004:] Uh, though it has more functionality I think it shouldn't be for the user to learn it actually. It shouldn't be diffi [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] Hmm. [speaker001:] So maybe a three or a four. [speaker004:] Uh yeah, actually in fact I think it will be [disfmarker] [speaker003:] One me um we hope [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah [vocalsound] [disfmarker] [speaker003:] maybe sometimes people get uh scared with the number of buttons. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker004:] Yeah but [vocalsound] y [speaker003:] And there is a [disfmarker] like I would say three. Or maybe four [gap]. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] Well [speaker001:] Consensus? Three or four? [speaker004:] we have reduced the keys actually you see. [speaker002:] Three, I would. Three. [speaker004:] Three is fine with me. [speaker003:] Yeah, yeah [speaker001:] Three? Okay. [speaker003:] because it's n uh it's not like a big one with uh one hundred buttons or so, [gap] [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah it's a [disfmarker] actually the user has to put some effort to do [disfmarker] use that actually, [speaker002:] No. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] it's not so easy, like this one the normal. [speaker002:] Yeah. Yes but then when when he is used to it, i i it is quite easy. [speaker004:] Is quite easy yeah. [speaker002:] So so I think th three is good. Yeah. [speaker004:] Initially there there is a lot of effort, yeah. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] Good. What's the next? [speaker001:] So three's uh how well it goes to the target demographic. [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker001:] So [speaker002:] So [disfmarker] [speaker001:] we're d we're still thinking twenty to forty year olds? [speaker002:] Twe twenty to forty, yes that's [disfmarker] [speaker001:] That's [disfmarker] [speaker003:] This one would be uh for grandmothers [vocalsound]. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Oh no, this would I I would I would give this model to the old people actually. [speaker003:] No. Yeah, grandmothers, yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] So sh completely changed our demographic there, [speaker004:] And [disfmarker] [speaker001:] it's not part of the the funky young thing. [speaker002:] Well exce except for the surfing shape. I mean that's that's something which which has an appeal on this group I think, [speaker003:] Yeah that's true. Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] but [disfmarker] [speaker001:] If it was the very bottom price range or it was like between this and another one we did the same thing then I can imagine it being [disfmarker] applying to the the demographic [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] yeah. That's [disfmarker] it's still [disfmarker] Ye [speaker002:] Mm w w w we [disfmarker] after this we can can consider uh for instance, making this more attractive to to the demographic [speaker001:] Mm. 'Cause we have got room, we've got some budget there to add a few things to it, [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] that's right. [speaker002:] But as it is now, I w would say mm, six, something. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] Oh yeah, [gap]. [speaker002:] Do you agree? [speaker001:] And [disfmarker] [speaker004:] I [disfmarker] Well I think [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah because it's so important [disfmarker] it's i it was written that it really so important, the um the the look and uh taking care of its [disfmarker] it targets, the right range of people, right? [speaker004:] Yeah. Uh yeah [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker004:] but but if you sell it in the market it's going to be cheap, actually. [speaker003:] Yeah. But w [speaker001:] But it's going to be cheap whatever though, [speaker004:] So [disfmarker] [speaker001:] it was set with i we've got a set price. [speaker004:] And people can still decide to use the cheaper one [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] instead of a [disfmarker] [speaker003:] But for us it's [vocalsound] yeah [vocalsound] we have a constraint that we need to sell at twenty five Euros. [speaker002:] Mm, yeah, indeed. [speaker001:] Yeah. There's nothing that would make me spend an extra k few Euros on that one rather than another one. [speaker003:] [gap] Yeah. [speaker002:] Ju just think, twenty five Euros, I mean it's not going to be cheaper. [speaker004:] Okay. Okay. So in that case well it's fine then. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] We can [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Mm. Mm. Okay. [speaker001:] Okay. Um [speaker004:] yeah. [speaker001:] and the demokraphi demographic of the second one? [speaker004:] And the demographics of [disfmarker] [speaker001:] It's got the got the the toys in it, it's got the LCD screen [speaker002:] Yeah tha tha tha tha tha that's [disfmarker] [speaker001:] and [disfmarker] [speaker002:] I think it's better, because of the LCD screen [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker002:] which is really an appeal on the on the on the [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] on the [gap] and on the [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah. And if you want to target [disfmarker] yeah if we we wish to to sell four millions of this, I think for this audience we need absolutely the LCD screen. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Mm. So, the LCD screen uh attracts, [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] yes. Because it [disfmarker] [speaker001:] I think especially if we're gonna n have an LCD screen on a low range product then that's good. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Mm, ma maybe that's something to consider, yes [vocalsound], [speaker001:] Mm. Okay. [speaker002:] so. Wh what [disfmarker] what [disfmarker] [speaker001:] I'd probably go with three again for that one. [speaker004:] Yeah I think it's uh [disfmarker] it has more market actually. [speaker003:] Or even [disfmarker] Even one and two. Or two. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] Y yeah, you know [disfmarker] [speaker002:] No s say t two. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] two. [speaker001:] So, two, yeah? [speaker002:] Two? [speaker003:] Yeah. Two yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah two yeah. Because tomorrow this will be more appealing because you can add [vocalsound] lot of sophistication on that. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] Because then you you have it uh d you have lot of things which you can include [speaker001:] Yeah. Yep. [speaker004:] for the people to [disfmarker] [speaker001:] And especially I guess 'cause this has the speech recognition as well, and that makes it more appealing, it's more of a a new fun toy. [speaker004:] We have to practically test it. The field test will tell you how good. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] Okay, the final point, trends. [speaker001:] And following the trends. [speaker004:] The trends. [speaker001:] So the trends were the fruit and vegetables and the spongy feel. [speaker002:] Mm. Mm. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] So as it is, not really doing either of them. [speaker002:] I think [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Spongy, uh, that means that it goes in in the water. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Well, the spongy could be part of the the feel of the buttons as well, I know some [disfmarker] have you tried the mobile phones that have got the kinda spongy buttons and [disfmarker] not not exactly spongy but I'm thinking one of the Nokias that's got like you ca it hasn't got individual buttons [speaker003:] Uh okay. [speaker001:] it's got just a one bit on it [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker004:] Yeah I know. [speaker001:] and so you can [disfmarker] that feels kinda spongy. [speaker003:] But this one includes this feature, right? Spongy buttons. [speaker004:] Yeah. We we we we we yeah, it's the way they are going to be, actually. [speaker001:] So it's sort of, yeah. Mm. Okay. [speaker003:] So [disfmarker] Uh [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker003:] the maybe in the colour we can make it uh fruit and and veggie. [speaker001:] But that's if you're using the covers. [speaker002:] And the then we can al [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Or is it just one [disfmarker] [speaker002:] yes. We can [disfmarker] we can consider uh uh is it possible do you think, to to make a cover for s such a phone? I mean [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Well they make it for mobiles, it can't be that much more complicated. [speaker004:] But why do you want to cover that actually? In that uh w in the mod [speaker002:] Well just with the with the flexible plastic uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] So you got the option of having different colours or different textures. [speaker003:] Yeah. This is possible. [speaker002:] I th I th I think [gap] [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Uh uh y are you sure? Yeah I think yeah it should be possible like what we do with the mobile phone, yeah. [speaker002:] O o or just two things which can be put on each other. [speaker001:] Mm. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah exactly like Nokia phones [vocalsound]. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yes, exactly like it. [speaker004:] Yep. [speaker002:] Uh, so Maybe we can [vocalsound] but we have to decide it, we can put the the [vocalsound] the fancy f look of vegetables for instance, to to these covers [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] and s now try to invest in the in in the features. [speaker001:] I think the [disfmarker] if we do the cover that's really going with the company's philosophy of having the fashion in in electronics, it lets people have the latest fashion [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] even next year when fruit and vegetables might be out, you'll still be able to put a new cover on it [speaker002:] Mm mm mm mm mm. [speaker001:] and then it'll still be in fashion. [speaker003:] Yeah. 'Cause sometimes look at this computer, th this laptop, it's all black, [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker003:] and uh it's quite conventional, and sometimes people don't like too much flashy colours like this one presented here. [speaker001:] Mm. Mm. [speaker003:] So maybe we could do like in the range the set of what we propose a black one, very standard one, that meets the the requirements of th such people that want really standard uh things. [speaker001:] Mm. Yep. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Yep. Mm. [speaker002:] Mm. Mm. [speaker001:] And then you have the option of having the different colours, different covers. [speaker002:] Yes. So so so that that would make the trends equal, [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] so we we we really have [disfmarker] don't have, [speaker001:] Mm. There's n yeah. 'Cause that's the that's the feature that could be included in either of them. [speaker002:] I mean [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Although it is more with the spongy buttons on the um on the other one. [speaker003:] Yeah, [speaker002:] Yes, indeed. [speaker003:] so a a point better for the for the number two [vocalsound]. [speaker001:] Okay. So. Two and three, or one and two? [speaker002:] Yes. [speaker001:] [gap] [speaker004:] Yeah, it's one. [speaker002:] Say, say one and two. One and two. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker002:] So le le let's see. So d this one has spongy but buttons? [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] Yeah, it says a [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah, the blue one uh spongy. [speaker002:] Mm, I see, yes okay. Good. [speaker001:] Okay so the average of that is three six nine divided by five, so five [disfmarker] mm nine by five, one point s eight? [speaker002:] Just add it. [speaker003:] Nine. [speaker002:] You know. [speaker004:] One point six, [speaker002:] Three, six, seven. [speaker004:] one point [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [gap] [speaker004:] One point eight yeah. [speaker001:] This one, eleven thirteen nineteen twenty one, divided by five is four point two [speaker004:] Four point [disfmarker] Uh four point two. [speaker001:] yep. [speaker003:] Very good. [speaker001:] Okay. But we still got a very different price for those two so they're not really comparable yet anyway. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. We [disfmarker] we must try to get them closer. [speaker003:] Yeah, it's right, yeah that's right. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yep. [speaker002:] Both in i i [speaker004:] Wow. [speaker002:] or we just have to choose. And adapt. Because, when we choose for this one we have to [vocalsound] we have to make it more attractive [speaker001:] Yep. [vocalsound] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] and w when we [gap] to d for this one we have to make it more cheap. [speaker001:] Well it's easier to just make that one cheaper by just taking the speech recognition out. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yes, well [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] That'll basically take us down to the budget. [speaker002:] But I'm [vocalsound] now [disfmarker] did y did you work with the same prices that I have here? [speaker003:] So I I give yeah I just give a call with the manufacturer uh and uh I explained them and they told me this could be possible for sixteen Fr Euros. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker003:] Uh unfortunately we didn't see this chip, uh Matthew, [speaker004:] Yeah. Yep. [speaker002:] Mm, [speaker003:] so maybe we have to recap with this one. [speaker002:] tha [speaker004:] Maybe we ought to reconsider everything with this, yeah. [speaker002:] Well yes, well uh re reconsider it. So [vocalsound] let's let's try to to model this this phone in this sheet, [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] uh what kind of energy source uh I I [disfmarker] we didn't speak about that. It's a [disfmarker] it's a normal battery, or [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah, it migh It [disfmarker] it'll need uh more than a conventional one, it won't be uh just [disfmarker] maybe you might use a AA battery actually. What do you say, Mael? [speaker003:] For this one it's a normal battery [gap]. [speaker002:] Yes. Just so one battery. 'Kay. Electronics. [gap] given speech recognition I think w you should go for the less fancy chip. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Uh sample speaker, yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah, yes, or sample sensor, yes. [speaker003:] Sample, yeah, this one. [speaker002:] Yes, this one. Okay. Case? Um, [speaker003:] So [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Curved. Double curved yeah right. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] I see [disfmarker] [vocalsound] I [speaker004:] It's uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Double curve. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker002:] [gap] [speaker001:] Yeah, it's gonna be more than just the biggest case, definitely. [speaker003:] So [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker003:] which one are we talking to? [speaker004:] Are you talking about this or that? [speaker003:] Well [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Either of them. [speaker002:] Oh yes, we are talking about, [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] but they have the same shape, but, actually bu [speaker001:] Mm. They're both going to be not basic cases. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] So th th this would be double curves? [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] 'Kay. Uh, plastic would be the material. [speaker001:] Yeah. The basic one, yep. [speaker003:] Is it zero Franc? [vocalsound] [speaker004:] A special colour? [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Uh special colour, now we leave it to the covers. [speaker004:] Uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] So now we're either going button or LCDs, LCD display. [speaker002:] Push. Mm, yes, but [disfmarker] [speaker003:] LCD is [gap]. It's okay. Just say LCD [gap]. [speaker001:] Is that price per unit, or for the whole thing? [speaker002:] Yeah [speaker004:] Ah good. [speaker002:] th now this is per per unit, this number of components. [speaker001:] So it would need twelve buttons. [speaker004:] Yeah, we might need a scroll wheel, right, for that? [speaker003:] No but for this one it's twelve Euro. [speaker004:] No, for that one also. [speaker003:] There are twelve? [speaker002:] So, [speaker004:] Yeah that's a scroll. [speaker002:] one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, t Yes. Twelve I believe. So this comes to eighteen. [speaker001:] Mm. And that's without any special button supplements. [speaker004:] Yeah, one scroll wheel you might need. [speaker002:] So [disfmarker] [speaker001:] So we'd have a special colour, special form and special material on all of them. They're not just standard buttons. [speaker004:] Uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] So I think [disfmarker] but th do you agree th that thi [speaker003:] Wait a minute, it's not it's not double curved, it's single curved, right? Because it's [disfmarker] there is no like [vocalsound]. [speaker002:] Yes I [speaker001:] But I thought it would be curved on two [disfmarker] it's like it's curved on the sides and curved on the top and bottom as well, that's what I thought. [speaker002:] Yes I'm I'm no I'm no I'm not sh sure. [speaker003:] Well it's [gap] [speaker002:] Yes I kno undes I understand what you mean, yes. [speaker003:] you know this curve like this so, it's w there is only is is is there is nothing like y you know in the other stuff there are [disfmarker] [speaker001:] You talking about concave curves? [speaker002:] Uh-huh. [speaker003:] yeah concave. So I think we can put um [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Both. [speaker001:] You think a single curved? [speaker003:] [vocalsound] the single curved in the sixteen. That makes uh seventeen. And what are just [disfmarker] The bt buttons, we have twelve buttons, are you sure? Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker002:] Yes. [vocalsound] [vocalsound] Uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] We have more, we've got those [disfmarker] the scroll wheel on the side [speaker003:] So I had a bad uh bad estimation. [speaker001:] and yeah [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Bad estimate, [speaker002:] W [vocalsound] d [vocalsound] [speaker004:] right? [speaker001:] The sc [speaker002:] we have [disfmarker] we haven't talk about a [gap], but that's no a [gap] is very exp inexpensive I believe [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker002:] but it is not in the list. [speaker001:] We've got a scroll wheel for the volume don't we, or is it some other thing that's not on there. [speaker002:] W ho h is this a scroll wheel or is this a a a sort of button which can be pressed on two sides uh so for higher and lower? [vocalsound] [speaker003:] No no no. [speaker001:] 'Kay we've only got five minutes left guys so we need to wrap it up pretty fast. [speaker003:] Yes, a kind of scroll wheel. [speaker001:] So this is even more than the um than the cost you gave, the sixteen Euros. [speaker002:] Mm. Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Okay, so based on that, yeah, um where is the es okay sample speaker [disfmarker] [speaker004:] That is the sample sensor and sample speaker. [speaker002:] So [disfmarker] um [disfmarker] [speaker003:] But still, yeah it [gap] [speaker004:] We just need that actually. We need one. [speaker002:] We're [disfmarker] We [disfmarker] We could go for the for the for the for the for a simple chip, but then we can't have the the speech recognition, yes? Yes? [speaker003:] No we cannot, yeah. [speaker002:] So so [speaker003:] So [disfmarker] [speaker004:] S [speaker002:] w when we w a [speaker003:] But the um [disfmarker] [speaker002:] this would this would be cutting the speech recognition. [speaker003:] Yeah but if you have the [disfmarker] near the LCD you can um [vocalsound] choose [disfmarker] select between um you know like uni universal between audio, TV and VCR, and this needs a needs a advanced chip. [speaker002:] Transti [speaker003:] Right, Matthew? [speaker004:] Oh I [disfmarker] [vocalsound] i it [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Or regular chip? [speaker004:] I think it's going to be [disfmarker] y y [speaker003:] I think yeah regular, today we you can do that with regular chip. [speaker004:] yeah it's th with the regular chip, yeah. [speaker002:] Say [gap] say it's regular, regular chip, [speaker003:] Yeah. Okay. Okay. [speaker002:] and we still on fifteen, [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] so [disfmarker] [speaker003:] So. And what about the number of buttons buttons uh [disfmarker] [vocalsound] my Matthew? [speaker002:] Yes but that [disfmarker] maybe [disfmarker] Well we can just say [speaker004:] Uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [gap] [speaker002:] one. [speaker003:] When you look at this w, this u uh item, [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Ca l we are just [disfmarker] [speaker003:] But [vocalsound] [disfmarker] [speaker002:] when we just want to uh to cut the number of buttons we have to make seven to to fit in in twelve twelve fifty. So is it possible? [speaker001:] [vocalsound] But that's seven basic buttons right, seven buttons without any adds-on, without special colours or form or material. [speaker004:] That'll be [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] then we have uh have to ask the user to press it several times. [speaker003:] You cannot make a phone to your boss saying twelve fifty is really [vocalsound] really low, [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] No no, he he he I I [speaker001:] Well [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] no? [speaker001:] So [gap] the LCD display is is three Francs, sorry three Euros, by itself. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] And uh we don't want to to change that right? We we really want a LCD [speaker004:] Uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] other otherwise we w wouldn not get the market. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. Otherwise y you ha you have a s ve very normal uh thing like this. [speaker003:] It's evident. Yeah. [speaker001:] Mm. So [speaker003:] And I dunno [disfmarker] [speaker001:] twelve Euro fifty, we got two off of the battery, we can't do anything about that, so ten fifty, if we want an LCD dispra display, that's seven fifty um, so we've got seven fifty to use for the case and for the buttons. And the chip. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] Sorry the chip's up there already. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. [speaker001:] So we're gonna have to scale this down to get within budget, there's no doubt about that. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] A [speaker003:] So wha what what each of us think about the [disfmarker] because it's measure point the LCD, um [disfmarker] Do you think it's important? [speaker004:] Or we could even replace them by buttons actually. [speaker003:] Because sometimes whe when you watch the TV in fact, you have a big display and maybe you don't need one more in your hands? I dunno, I'm just asking. [speaker004:] A actually it depends, it depends what kind of functionalities you want to add into it, [speaker002:] Mm [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Mm. Yep. [speaker004:] for example if you add two more functionalities then better you add two more buttons, or [disfmarker] and you'll have LCD display which is [disfmarker] that is going to bring the cost by two two Euros at least. [speaker001:] Mm. Yeah. I think, unless we can really drive these prices down we need to get rid of the LCD display. [speaker004:] Okay so we can get rid of it [speaker003:] Yeah, it's true yeah. [speaker004:] and then add a couple of buttons. [speaker003:] But uh, do we want that? On the market point of view, yeah. What do you think uh, LCD is a major feature, or? [speaker002:] Mm. I [speaker001:] For the price, it's gonna be what we can afford, and it's looking like we can't afford the LCD display, there's no way we can get it in there. [speaker002:] I [gap] think we have to come to a decision now, [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Mm. [speaker002:] just I I think we we what we just do i is vote about the uh the LCD uh display [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] so [disfmarker] [speaker003:] You assume, you want a democratic voyt vote, right? [speaker002:] Yes. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker002:] Yes. Yes. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker002:] One man one vote. [vocalsound] S so who thinks the the LCD disply display should be i should be in it? [speaker001:] I th I'd like t it to be in but I can't see it happening. I can't see it fitting in. [speaker002:] Mm. Mm-hmm mm-hmm. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] I think but [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] We need to be. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Bu y you're a power voter [disfmarker] uh veto anyway as Project Manager. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm, I know, [speaker003:] Yeah. [gap]. [speaker002:] but [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah but the only thing is that what is the multiple functionalities you want to include with that. [speaker001:] [gap] well we have to make a decision now, that's it. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yes. So uh uh having an LCD s display is just uh uh have very very limited amount of buttons. Is that acceptable? Ca can I have [disfmarker] can the functions be implement in an [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yes. [speaker002:] You've [disfmarker] you you agree. [speaker004:] W I I I just [disfmarker] [speaker002:] So hav hav having seven buttons, instead of twelve. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] So that wou would be cutting cutting suh say about these buttons [vocalsound]. [speaker003:] Because one yeah th show me that uh actually we could in fact we move these three buttons and have three uh possibilities for each of the three here. Here one, at the middle, and at the bottom. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] Mm. I think then we we're really losing ease of use. [speaker003:] Okay, [gap]. [speaker004:] That will create another problem. For the people to use it. It's not going to be easy. Doing that. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker002:] Mm. So um I I think we should we should cut the LCD screen. That that's that's my opinion. [speaker004:] No, it's okay, you uh cut the LCD screen [speaker002:] Just [disfmarker] [speaker004:] and introduce two more buttons. [speaker001:] Okay. So LCD's out, is speech rec out now? We've [disfmarker] [speaker003:] The speech recognition is out. Because of the budget, yeah. [speaker001:] Yep. [speaker002:] Uh where, LC [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yep. [speaker002:] Okay w we now we can just uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] So are we basically back to the original one now, back to the first version? Which turns out to be on budget exactly, pretty much. With these new costings. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yes. [speaker001:] So [gap] just look at [disfmarker] forget that one and look at that one now. [speaker002:] Yes. Yes. I th I th I think w we just go for this one [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] and that that now twelve Euros is the is is the price, [speaker001:] Mm. Yep. [speaker002:] okay. [speaker001:] Okay. Well [speaker002:] My m my supervisor will be glad that it's fifty cents cheaper than he expected. [speaker001:] that's that's [disfmarker] Yep. [speaker003:] Actually yeah, we we we will not need the really uh expert designers um because the amount, yeah. [speaker001:] So. Mm. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yep. So [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] w we can go back and l talk to the suppliers maybe and see if we can drive the prices down to add a few more things in but that's all we can do with the restrictions we have at the moment. [speaker002:] Okay, good. Then we [gap] the same. Thank you. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker002:] That was it. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] That's it. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Thanks. [speaker004:] Cool. [speaker001:] Okay.

[speaker003:] So, I will open our functional design meeting. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] So, I will play role of the secretary. As also Program Ma Manager. So, we will have the three presentations from the In Industrial Designer, User Interface Designer and um [speaker002:] Industrial Design. [speaker001:] Marketing Expert. [speaker003:] What's your talk? [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker003:] Marketing Experts. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker003:] And after that we uh will have the uh new product requirements, the decision on the remote control functions, and we will close the meetings after. Mm so um I suppose the first to do the presentation will be the User Interface Designer. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker003:] Um, so you're participant two? [speaker002:] One one. [speaker004:] No no no. [speaker003:] No you're [disfmarker] [speaker004:] One. [speaker003:] No, I'm participant one. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Three three, it's three sorry [vocalsound]. [speaker004:] I I think I'm a [gap]. [speaker003:] Okay, never mind. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] 'Kay, did you save your presentation? [vocalsound] [speaker004:] In one. [speaker002:] In one, sorry [vocalsound]. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Isn't that technical functions? [speaker001:] No sure. [speaker002:] So you didn't save it maybe. [speaker004:] It's mine. [speaker001:] Uh [speaker002:] Alright, so [disfmarker] [speaker001:] it's David Jordan. Course. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Name's Jordan. So [speaker002:] David Jordan? [vocalsound] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] Mm yeah. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] so I'll [disfmarker] I let David Jordan do his presentation. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker001:] No, no. Uh this one doesn't want to be moved, I think. [speaker003:] Uh. [speaker002:] Too great for email then. [speaker004:] Okay, so. The first I will present the technical function design for user interface for our uh remote TV control. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Uh I I will focus on user interface design. Um so move to the next slide. [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker004:] As we know our remote c rem remote TV control it's very [disfmarker] has very soph sophisticated functions, as we show from this picture. There's a lot of functions. Over, I think over s twelve or twenty s functions of a remote TV control. So how can we um design a user interface with so sa with so many sophisticated functions? Um, let's move to next slide. Um. Yeah. So I [disfmarker] so we want to design uh elegant, easy to use inter interface. A very good example is Google. As we know uh Google it's a very successful because his um powerful function, but with very easy to use user interface. Um so move to next s slide. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] So my job is to uh design a Google TV controller [vocalsound] which I want to have sophisticated functions while with very easy to use user interface. So [disfmarker] That's the end of the talk [vocalsound] the end of the presentation. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] So you propose to to have the [speaker004:] Uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] remote control which will be powerful. [speaker004:] With sophisticated functions, but with very [disfmarker] [speaker003:] So powerful, [speaker004:] yeah powerful. [speaker003:] many functions [speaker004:] Yes. [speaker003:] and very easy to use. [speaker004:] Yep. [speaker001:] So, I dunno, it's maybe difficult to have both, [speaker002:] To merge the two system huh. [speaker001:] I mean the the one on the right doesn't look so simple [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] You mean this one? [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah you have to learn the manual before using this remote control, I suppose. [speaker002:] Mm yep. [speaker001:] [gap] [speaker002:] But But this is [disfmarker] [speaker004:] But if we have very very good user interface [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] it take less time for user to learn how to use it. [speaker001:] Yeah, and then [disfmarker] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah you [disfmarker] maybe you have some international standards, where you know, if you can use one is the other are [disfmarker] or almost the same, so the sign. [speaker003:] Oh you mean for the yeah pic pictograms or things like that? [speaker002:] Yeah, yeah. For example, I dunno here, escape, you know, you have escape in computers you have, so if you see escape, you know that it should be the same. [speaker001:] Oh it should [disfmarker] okay, yeah. [speaker002:] So you have to [disfmarker] The sh the user there [disfmarker] [speaker001:] The user should know. [speaker002:] for example the power off button it is something very international, you know that [disfmarker] So. [speaker003:] Yeah um such as maybe the [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah. So. [speaker003:] Go on, go back and [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah, but the question is how to merge you know the Google system to the system, alright. [speaker001:] Yeah, [speaker004:] Yeah, that's my job. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] that's gonna be the trick. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] That's your job [vocalsound] [speaker004:] That's my job. It's not the easiest I've got to. [speaker002:] It you [vocalsound] [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] So, you will propose us something which is yeah so powerful and easy to use. [speaker004:] Yep. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] Powerful and easy to use. [speaker001:] So that's the point. [speaker004:] Yeah, that's the point. [speaker003:] So, next I propose the Industrial User Interface to present things. [speaker002:] Okay, okay. [speaker003:] So you you're [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Participant two. Yeah. [speaker003:] Um. Okay. [speaker001:] [gap] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] The rationale must be [vocalsound] design, or [disfmarker] [speaker003:] So, Baba is the uh the Industrial Designer. Okay. [speaker002:] So we can move to the next slide. As you all know, you know m my job is to design you know uh to give an industrial design of the remote control. So the re basically the remote control will be, you know, infrared control, so the problem is how to relate the [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] how to relate the remote control device, like for example this one I h I'm holding in my hand and the TV. So, this one is leather bu based but [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker002:] I propose a nifra infrared base [vocalsound] you know, so so for me I think that it is better [vocalsound] it's bet it's better to control TV [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] so you know, so it's it will be cheaper and it is less technology than, you know [disfmarker] For the cheap price we have, for the cheap price we want to [disfmarker] [speaker001:] True. [speaker003:] So you mean that infrared control is a cheap technology? [speaker002:] I think it's cheaper than laser, so [vocalsound]. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] Do y you know the requirements for the remote control? Twelve, nearly thirteen, [speaker001:] What the cost is? [speaker003:] yeah. The cost [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah, I think for the cost we want [disfmarker] for the cost we want [vocalsound] [disfmarker] it's better to have uh uh [speaker001:] Twelve, twelve a half. [speaker002:] Let's see. Yeah. You can move to the next slide, so. So the di the differen the findings you know what you find inside the re i the the system here inside it is just, you know a bulb and an infrared bulb, so here for example the infrared bulb will be here [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] and the bulb it will be somewhere inside. [speaker001:] That might just [disfmarker] So. [speaker002:] You can go to the next slide. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker002:] I have some kind of pictures you know, here. You have the b the bulb, it is a blue the blue stuff here and the infrared and the infrared bulb it is the red stuff [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] you know and so and you have the other subcomponent that are not really here so important, so. [speaker003:] What is this? [speaker002:] This is in fact some other component that are in between the electrical de the electronic device. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker002:] Look. But here what I wanted to emphasise it is just you know the bulb and [gap]. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker002:] So and the next slide, it is the last one it's [disfmarker] So it's [disfmarker] I think it should be wire [vocalsound] wireless re remote con [vocalsound] Because you know, it's easier to manage and you know because you f the b the the battery problem can hold you know will you use a battery or the a wire to connected you. Or maybe some kind of thing that we can have both, but you know, I at my side prefer a wireless. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker002:] Okay, so [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] if you have some question I didn't answer? [speaker001:] What's the average price of this technology then? [speaker002:] Well the avera the average prices I think that this technology will cost, I dunno, around eight Euros, so. Or at least you know, the [speaker004:] So what, the wireless remote control? There's a wire [vocalsound] with remote control? [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] You'd [disfmarker] yes, you can. It's so so bres you have to decide how how you will you know, put some energy inside, so you can think about wireless or you know it's it's a question that we can raise, so. We can think that you know, with the wire, you know, without a wire. We can have both also. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker003:] So you think that uh [vocalsound] a cable between the remote control [vocalsound] and the TV [vocalsound] [disfmarker] won't be a good idea. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Okay. Okay. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] No it wou maybe it will be cheaper [vocalsound] I dunno I just may maybe you making a solu [speaker001:] But this is what you would like to ask the user first and I don't think the user would be ready to have a [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yeah, [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Wireless remote control [vocalsound]. [speaker003:] but [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah, but some pa [speaker001:] I don't think [disfmarker] well, yeah, I don't think he would, [speaker002:] I always want to have you know, [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] but in a sense [disfmarker] [speaker002:] sometime I want to have wire because you know. [speaker003:] Yeah but as Industrial Designer, do you think that it will be feasible to have uh linked or to have link between the remote control and the television? [speaker002:] [gap] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] I'm just asking you. Do you think it will be cheaper? [speaker002:] Uh, [vocalsound] I don't [vocalsound] think it will be too much. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Could you answer please? [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] Have to think about the question, you know, 'cause it's [disfmarker] I think that you know you can always you know [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] I think wha wha with the wire it's mm cheaper but you know the wireless it's more practical, so. [speaker003:] Yeah, but I think the wireless problem is more the um David Jordan's problem. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] As it's [disfmarker] [speaker001:] The wire? [speaker003:] yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. True. [speaker002:] Okay, yeah. [speaker003:] I think it's more your problem. Mayb maybe you have just to to kind of research or try to ask people if they will like something wireless or not. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Uh that's my job. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Okay, [speaker001:] That's the [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [gap] I'm sorry. So [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Now the [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah but, it should be an agreement, you know, because [disfmarker] even if you can think of the wireless, it is it's it is the job of the [vocalsound] the the g Graphical User Designer, but you know. If it is a lot cheaper and if you want to reach for example some the the money you have, if you want to use, [vocalsound] so [vocalsound] it can be good to have a wireless, it it is a question. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] So just think of um the usability. [speaker004:] Design a wireless remote control. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah. Just think of the problem. If when you have wireless remote control and if you lose it? [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] I think it's would be easier to have [vocalsound] a link between the remote control and the television, [speaker001:] Well that's actually one of the point, yeah? [speaker003:] yeah. [speaker001:] True. This you will see in my presentation then. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] So I will let you to do your presentation, so. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Okay [vocalsound]. [speaker001:] Which is participant four. So just trying to answer all the questions, if the user would be happy to have something or something else uh. We've made a study, so could you go to next slide. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Sorry for the functional recurrence. So that's the standard method for marketing, okay. We had one hundred subjects, um, we observe their remote control use in a lab and then after all the experiments they had to fill up a questionnaire, um, and see what was okay or not for them. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Okay. So then it's some statistics about what we observed and what they answered. Um actually seventy five percent of the users find m the most remote controls uh ugly, okay, so that's [disfmarker] [speaker003:] You mean the loo the look, the outside? [speaker002:] The look, how it look like. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker001:] Yeah, the the look is is bad for them so uh it's your job, David, maybe. Then eighty percent of users would spend more money um actually if if the remote controls were not so ugly. So this is where we could have uh yeah, good market, I guess, if people are ready to pay more. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] So it's it's interesting information, I think. And then um yeah, the remote controls like the one you've shown previously it's not so [disfmarker] doesn't fit the user requirements sometime, because it's too many buttons and so on. So we should change this as well. And uh users are actually zapping a lot, so they're using the device intensively, that's something to take into account as well. And um, you know, ten percent of the buttons are actually used in the remote control. And uh this is one of the main point for me. But I'll come back to it later. 'Kay. Could you go next slide? Uh, so as you said uh, [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] remote controls are often lost somewhere in the room. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] So this is from the experiments we've done, [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] so if we could solve this problem this would be interesting for the user, I think. Um it takes too much time to learn how to use the remote control for thirty five percent of the people. And uh remote control are really bad for RSI problems for twenty six percent of the users. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] What is RSI? [speaker001:] RSI is like, when you're using the same um [disfmarker] doing the same movement several times, then you get injured. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker003:] Ah um okay. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Okay? So, those numbers are less important then the previous one, but still it has to be taken to count. So last slide. Um so my pres personal preferences for this problem is we have to meet the user needs. If we can make it look fancy then we might sell more than our uh concurrent, okay. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] And definitely if it could have less buttons, still maybe the same number of um functions, but less buttons, [speaker004:] Functions. [speaker001:] this would definitely be a good way of selling more. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] Okay. So [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Mm okay. And just to have uh an idea, do you think you as the User Interface Designer to would it be possible to have less buttons and still have the same functionality and to have powerful remote control, you think it's possible? [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Sure? Yeah? [speaker004:] Yeah, I think possible. Because we can [disfmarker] We can uh mix uh several function in one button. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] So lets you [disfmarker] then you have less buttons. [speaker003:] Yeah, but do you think it will be easy to use? [speaker004:] But I'm not sure [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Because if you have many functions just for one button it would be quite difficult for the user to know. [speaker001:] Yeah, remember the user is not happy to read the [speaker003:] Yeah, [speaker002:] The manuals. [speaker003:] I think the [disfmarker] [speaker001:] manual. It's [disfmarker] [speaker004:] No you you can have a switch menu, so you can [speaker003:] Yeah, [speaker004:] well [speaker003:] but it has to be intuitive. [speaker004:] for example [disfmarker] Yeah, I think so. Like for for example you can uh you can category the function i i into several classes. Then for um you can have a switch menu, so you put the switch menu to it it tend to this kind of this category of functions. [speaker003:] Yeah, okay. Okay, [speaker004:] Then you you put the switch button, [speaker003:] but [disfmarker] [speaker004:] then it switch to another category of functions. Yeah. For example, if you have remote control you you can rem you can control your TV and also you can control your uh recorder. [speaker002:] With a [disfmarker] [speaker004:] So there's a different functions, but i if you you [disfmarker] there's a button you can switch between control TV and control your recorder. So we can has less buttons. [speaker003:] Yeah, [speaker004:] But what I'm not so sure is about how to make the remote control look funny [disfmarker] look fancy, not funny. [speaker003:] but [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Look fancy. [speaker001:] [gap] [speaker002:] This is a question that should be asked to the [disfmarker] If you ask the people, maybe the the marketing people [gap]. [speaker004:] Because different people have a different opinion about fancy. You know. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah, this is something we sh [speaker004:] Because maybe a colourful is fancy for some people, but maybe simple and uh uniform colourful is fancy for some [disfmarker] for other peoples, so. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] But this was first step and [disfmarker] This was the first step, yeah. [speaker002:] I think the solution is to have many colours of [disfmarker] you know instead of having one grey standard [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah, but I think it will increase the price of the production of the remote control. [speaker001:] Specially distribution, yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah, yeah, maybe. Yeah, maybe. [speaker003:] If you need to have special colours for remote controls it will cost more. [speaker001:] Uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah, personalised colour. Because you know [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah, it will cost little bit more. [speaker004:] Yeah, because maybe some people prefer a red remote control, [speaker002:] Yeah, yeah, yeah. [speaker004:] some people prefer black remote control. [speaker001:] Yeah, but this is what we would ask to the users, so. [speaker003:] And also f [speaker004:] Maybe we can have di di we can have uh several options, [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] so user can select which colour they prefer, so. [speaker003:] Yeah, but as soon as you speak about options, it means that the price increases, [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Yeah, remember it's twelve Euros. [speaker003:] and we don't really want the price to be too too high, because we wanna be able to produce it. So, we want something fancy, as uh previously said, Florent, something very easy to use, powerful and also as uh it's written here, seventy five percent of users, they zap lot, so maybe just having many functions in one button is not that good if you want to zap a lot. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Hmm. [speaker003:] And they don't really want to zap between functions of their remote control, [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] they want to zap between channels on TV. So [disfmarker] I think you have quite lot of points to to think about [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] and to discuss it with uh the other members. [speaker002:] Yeah, hmm. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] So, is it okay for your presentation? Nothing else to to add? [speaker001:] Yeah, it's done, just [disfmarker] yeah. If we would [disfmarker] if we could remember like, not too many buttons and make it look fancy, I think it would make it. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. Okay. Mm so [disfmarker] So, [speaker001:] So. [speaker003:] I had some new information about the product requirements, so you will have to take care of it of it in your thinking, in your designing of the remote control. So the first one is that um for the designing of the remote control we don't really want to use the teletext anymore, [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] as it's something that's [disfmarker] It's is uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Lame, [speaker003:] No [speaker001:] or [disfmarker] [speaker003:] yeah, because now everybody has internet at home, [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] so it's better to use internet then teletext. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] So, you will have to think about it in your in in the design of your remote control, [speaker002:] Yep. [speaker003:] and also the remote control will only be used for television, so for y for you your designing, you're not [disfmarker] you won't be uh [disfmarker] you won't had [vocalsound] um buttons to just to manipulate [disfmarker] yeah to control the recorder or maybe the garage door or things like that. [speaker004:] Control. Mm-hmm. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] It's [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Mm-hmm [speaker003:] because if we want to to do remote control [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker003:] which will be used for for the television, for the recorder, for the camcorder and all the others, it will become too complex and it will increase the pli the price and we can't do that. We really want to focus on the remote control for the television. Is it okay? [speaker004:] Okay. But there's balance between function and the cost. [speaker003:] So maybe it will be easier for you to to design it, to have very powerful and easy. [speaker004:] Yeah. Okay. [speaker003:] And also we want the image of the uh um real reaction be recognisable in the product, such as the colour and s the slogan. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] I mean that's uh if uh you want to buy a remote control and if you go in a shop and if you see the remote control you will recognise directly that s it's our product. [speaker004:] Mm-hm. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] So you will have to use the colour of the product, of the um um [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker003:] of the uh of real reaction [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker002:] So. [speaker003:] and uh also [disfmarker] [speaker001:] So has to be yellow. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yellow. [speaker003:] As we say, we put the fashion in electronics, so it has to be a fashion remote control. Fancy, fashion, powerful, easy to use. [speaker004:] Okay. Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] Require lot of requirements, but [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] For cheap [vocalsound] remote control, yeah. [speaker004:] And cheap. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] A low cost. [speaker003:] Yeah. But uh that's your your job to find something mm matches. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah [vocalsound]. Yeah, 'cause what I'm thinking is how will you will connect the TV to internet, so. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] This is [disfmarker] [speaker001:] I don't think it's part of the remote control design anyway. [speaker003:] Maybe not, [speaker001:] It's maybe more in browsing. [speaker003:] but mayb [speaker002:] Yeah, but this this mean that your TV would be able to, you know, connect to internet, you know, surf the web. [speaker004:] Yeah, there's that box in uh o of it. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] A pi There's that box in the TV, so with the set box you you can connect internet with your TV. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker004:] Ok [speaker001:] Hm-mm. [speaker004:] It's It's not so uh popular now. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] It's pop I don't think it's popular, so that's the problem so. You had i if you are designing a remote control for you know [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker002:] the global usage, [speaker004:] Global, okay. [speaker002:] so if people don't have the technology. [speaker003:] So. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] So everybody is okay with the new requirements? [speaker004:] So I I so [disfmarker] As as for the colour, what what do you think? [speaker003:] I think it has to be yellow. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yellow? [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Do you think that people like the colour yellow? [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yellow? [gap] TV remote control? [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Min [speaker003:] Maybe you can change the colour, [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker003:] but the image of the society has to be recognised. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] I think if you have you know th like a yellow ribbon here is the double R. Or should be. [speaker003:] Why you go [disfmarker] It has to be fashion. [speaker002:] Yeah, so. Doesn't need to be completely yellow, [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker003:] So you have to [disfmarker] [speaker002:] but just mm. [speaker003:] Yeah. It has to be a fashion and really be uh the image of the society. Just when you enter you say oh, oh, it's real reaction. Think it's a re reaction remote control, so. [speaker004:] Okay, okay. Okay. [speaker003:] And also it has to be attractive, of course, [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker003:] because if you want to sale [disfmarker] to sell the remote control. It's okay? [speaker001:] Regarding the first line, what [disfmarker] So we're just expecting no more use of the teletext. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] And that's it. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] But [disfmarker] I dunno, but why, nobody's a threat to me. [speaker001:] It's already changed for [disfmarker] [speaker003:] I think it would be simpler. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] Okay. So [disfmarker] I will close the meeting, um just after that we'll have lunch break. And you will have in thirty minutes individual work. Uh [disfmarker] Y you [disfmarker] You will have as the ID I don't remember what is industr Industrial Designer to put um [disfmarker] pon [speaker002:] Industrial Designer, yeah. [speaker001:] Industrial Designer. [speaker002:] Component component, yeah. [speaker003:] yeah, and the User Interface Designer to work on the user interface concept. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker003:] And Florent to work my subject. [speaker001:] Yep. [speaker003:] And so specific instructions will be sent to you by your personal coach. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] It's okay? [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] I think the um session is closed. [speaker002:] Good. [speaker003:] And by the way, Mister David Jordan, please record your presentations in your own folder. [vocalsound] Not in mine. [speaker002:] Okay [vocalsound] Okay, that's clear. [speaker004:] Okay [vocalsound]. Okay. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Should be better. [vocalsound]

[speaker002:] [gap] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] How do you wear this thing? [speaker001:] Hmm. Mm mm mm. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Not too many cables and stuff. [speaker004:] [gap] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Original. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Is recorded? Okay? Okay so welcome everyone. So we are here for the kickoff meeting of uh the process of designing a new remote control. So I will first start with a warm welcome opening [vocalsound] stuff, [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] then uh we will uh see what will be uh our product and what will be the different step we will have to design it. And uh then we will uh discuss if we have few ideas and we will uh end uh by uh dispatching the different task you will be [disfmarker] you will have to fulfil to complete this process. So [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Uh. Just one thing. Uh, you said twenty-five minutes, but I have something else to do uh, so gotta have another meeting uh soon, [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] so maybe you could hurry up a bit [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] sorry? [speaker002:] It's true. I have another meeting so if you could uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] You have another meeting soon? [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] So you have to be quick. [speaker002:] Yeah, for the lawnmower project. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] So the the goal is to have a remote control so to have an advantage over our competitors we have to be original, we have to be trendy and we have to also try to be user-friendly. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] So uh the design step will be divided in three uh main points. First it will be the functional design. Third is the conceptual design and then is the desired design. So the functional design is to identify the main user needs, the technical function the remote control should fulfil. And then we will move to f conceptual design where we'll specify the different component involved, what kind of user interf interface we want and what are the different uh trend in user interface and stuff like that. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] And then the desired devi design will consist in uh specifically implementing [vocalsound] and detailing the choice we've uh made in the second point. So I will now ask you which is very important for the design of a new remote control for to uh each of us to to draw uh your favourite animal on the white board. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] What an original idea. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Do you have any idea of which animal you want to show us? [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Orangutan. [speaker001:] Okay [vocalsound] that's good. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] No no n [speaker001:] [vocalsound] n n [gap] [speaker002:] Can I give you the [speaker001:] You should [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [disfmarker] no? But I don't have to say anything. When I'm drawing the orangutan. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] If you want to react uh about this wonderful drawing uh [vocalsound] I'll let you uh comment. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] It's an abstract drawing of an orangutan. [speaker001:] Okay it's an abstract drawing. [speaker002:] Yes. [speaker001:] I think it's nice and original. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] You should write y the name I think. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] I don't have a red colour. Usually orangutans have red hair so this is a very important but I don't have red pen, so [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yes. [speaker001:] You want to draw something Christine? [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Okay uh sorry. You have to imagine a little bit [vocalsound] um. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] This [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Of course your animal is recorded so it's not lost. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Sorry too [vocalsound] uh. [speaker002:] Yes. I know. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Is this uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Wha what is this strange beast? [speaker004:] Is it beautiful? [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Is it a monster? [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Do you know? It's a cat. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] It's a cat? [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Isn't it? [vocalsound] [speaker002:] I thought these things did not exist. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yes yes [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Me [vocalsound] [speaker004:] is it [disfmarker] like that. Is it better? [speaker003:] Ah yeah. Yeah. [speaker002:] Ah yeah [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Ah okay it's pretty. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Okay. [vocalsound] It's my cat. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Okay it's your cat. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Does have a name? [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] The name is Caramel. [speaker002:] Caramel. Ah-ha. [speaker003:] Caramel. [speaker004:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Okay. Olivier, do you want to [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] And you [vocalsound] [vocalsound] I think I'm too short for the cables. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Okay I go, but next time you'll do something I'm sure. [speaker002:] Next time I concentrate. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] I'm a bit short on cable. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Okay. So what could I draw? [vocalsound] Maybe I can draw like a very simplified cow. [vocalsound] I don't know if it looks like a cow [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] He looks like a bong. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Like a what? [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Okay. Sorry. No. [speaker003:] Quite squarey. [speaker002:] Scary? [speaker001:] [gap] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] He also. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] I dunno it it looks more like a donkey in fact [vocalsound] I would say. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] I I think we will be finished this uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker001:] Okay so I hope that it helps you uh in the process of designing a remote control. [speaker002:] Is it for uh for putting a [disfmarker] for logos, no. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] That's [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Let's move on. So [disfmarker] Here the uh financial objective of our project. That is to say to to have a production cost lower than twelve point five Euros and have a selling price of twice that price t in order to target a profe profit of uh fifty uh million Euros. [speaker002:] I is there a matter for a new remote control? [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yeah if it's trendy, original I d fulfil the user needs. [speaker002:] Is it uh a single device remote control or is it a multi-device remote control? [speaker001:] We have to discuss that point. [speaker002:] Ah this is not defined at all? [speaker001:] On [disfmarker] yeah you you can suggest points like this. [speaker002:] Ah, okay. [speaker001:] So what what [disfmarker] so we have to decide for example if it can control one device or multiple. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] So what's [disfmarker] what are your ideas about that? Maybe I can have the [disfmarker] your opinion from the marketing side? [speaker002:] Well uh do we sell other stuff? Uh if if we bundle the remote control with something uh to sell then it could be a single device, otherwise it could be programmable one otherwise who would buy a remote control from us. [speaker001:] Okay, so if it selled uh by its own i it it would rather be for multiple device. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Do you agree? [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Yeah. So maybe it should be for multiple devices. And uh do you have any ideas um of uh design ideas or any uh uh technical requirement we we should uh fulfil? [speaker003:] [vocalsound] I think we shouldn't have too many b for my part. I think [disfmarker] [speaker002:] No, I couldn I cannot fi think of any requirements right now. [speaker003:] If we don't have so many buttons could be nice. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Few buttons. Okay. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] And do you have it also to be [disfmarker] to be lighted in order to be used in the dark? Might be a good idea. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker001:] Okay. And do you have any um any uh idea of the trend [disfmarker] the trend in domain, what it shouldn't [disfmarker] it should look like, or things like that? [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Something which is not squarey maybe uh, not a box. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] With rou okay. Like for [disfmarker] okay. [speaker002:] Something like that, least fits in your hand. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] The basic requirement. [speaker001:] So. Fit in your hand, yeah. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Only a buck. [speaker001:] And also it have, i it may be [vocalsound] it may be important for the remote control to be uh [disfmarker] To, to resist to various shocks that can happen if it fall. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Waterproof. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Water-proof as well. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] And I think we should have a device [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Maybe it is original because you can uh use it in your uh [disfmarker] in your bath whereas the others can't. Maybe water-proof would be very original. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Sorry. [gap] [speaker001:] Havin having a water-proof remote control so that the people can uh use it in their bath. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] That could be uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] B it seems uh so, but uh if you don't have an waterproof remote control it means you can just cover it with some plastic and you can sort of f [speaker001:] Yeah but, it is still something uh you have to buy and that is um not maybe very [disfmarker] [speaker002:] And, and that's one of the [disfmarker] that's one of the shock [disfmarker] I mean there are people that have a remote control and they are worried that it's going to break and they put some extra plastic around it. [speaker001:] Yeah, mayb B [speaker002:] That's people [gap] they actually do it themselves. [speaker001:] But maybe we can bulk it with uh already this plastic thing and uh the waterproof uh stuff as well. [speaker003:] Yeah. [gap] directly. [speaker002:] I it will look a bulky in that case. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Maybe we can sell uh all that together, so so plastic protection and uh and a waterproof box as well. That might be good uh track to follow. [speaker002:] Like as an optional thing. [speaker001:] Optional or selled with it? [speaker003:] [vocalsound] And I I think we should have something, most of the time I I lose my remote control. We should have s uh special bu button on the TV to make the remote control beeping. [speaker001:] Yeah. Maybe we can have uh [disfmarker] But we don't design the TV. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Ah yeah. [speaker001:] Maybe we can have uh something you whistle and uh the remote control uh beep. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Barks. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Barks. [speaker001:] Yeah, barks, yeah. So we can uh have a whistle uh remote control? [speaker003:] Yeah. Yeah whistle. [speaker001:] I don't know, whistle-able? [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Whistle tracking. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Th [vocalsound] Whistle tracking yeah. Whistle tracking remote control. That's a good idea, that's very original and that's can uh improve. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] That's that's quite cool, but uh of course we [disfmarker] you don't normally need uh any audio uh recording stuff on your remote control right? [speaker001:] Yeah d d uh. [speaker002:] So i it's just going to add t to the cost. [speaker001:] Yeah but s still we have to mm we have to [vocalsound] have an advantage over our competitors. I think this is a good advantage. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] It's cool. I think I like the idea, but I'm not sure about the what you, who is giving [disfmarker] who's giving who's giving our budget. Who's [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah. We have to ask [disfmarker] Yeah. We have to ask the quest of that's uh design to the uh Industrial um Designer. [speaker002:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [vocalsound] yeah [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Which is you. [speaker002:] 'Kay. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Okay so try to find that for next meeting. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Okay. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Okay. So next meeting is in thirty minutes or so uh. [vocalsound] Don't pani. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Don't panic. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] So so I will ask the Industrial Designer to find out more about this industrial design so any working [disfmarker] any working function we have discussed. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] So then I will ask the User Interf Interface Designer to to think about the point we discussed like the number of buttons, the the fact that is lighted or not, things like that, and what would be convenient for the user. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] And also um [vocalsound] I will ask the Market Expert to uh try to find out what are the absolute requirements, what is absolutely needed in a remote control uh for the user. So. And then uh I will uh just ask you to think about that and uh look at your mail because you will receive uh some good advice soon. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] So. Thank you I think that's all for this point. [speaker002:] Good. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Thank you [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Uh, so we come back in five minutes? Half an hour. [speaker001:] Anyway you will receive some messages. [vocalsound] Be careful. You eat it? Does it move uh? Okay, but I don't know if it uh is still correctly uh [disfmarker] We'll see. [speaker003:] Ah. [gap]

[speaker004:] Okay. [speaker001:] 'Kay so we'll try to zip through this, since we're short on time. Welcome everybody. Um hope your sessions went well. Um so this is our functional design meeting, we're going to consider um user needs, technical effects, and the working design of our remote control. Um I've been taking meetings on the minute minutes on the meetings [vocalsound] [vocalsound], and I'll be putting them in the shared documents folder so if there's anything you need to refer to you can find them in there. Um I I'll get the ones up for next time, um they're not finished yet. Right. Um so can we have updates from everyone from what you've worked on just kind of a quick summary of anything interesting that you'd like to share or discuss in this [disfmarker] [speaker004:] And I can start if you want. Mm. [speaker001:] sure. [speaker004:] Is there an order? No. We haven't decided on an order. [speaker001:] Hm? No, any any order's fine. Yeah. [speaker004:] First. Okay. Um, how do I put this [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Just uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] I'll just put the cable in. [speaker001:] Oh yeah, sorry. [speaker004:] [gap] Is that it? Can you see? [vocalsound] Oh, here. Okay. So what happens it doesn't work? [speaker001:] It sh it takes a few seconds I think. [speaker002:] You may need to [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Who's that? [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] No. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Is it in the right thing? [speaker002:] But sometimes you have to do it [disfmarker] it's like a three set setting cycle, so press it a couple times, hold down function and then press F eight. [speaker004:] Oh wait, um. Uh. You need to help me. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Uh-huh, and then press function. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker001:] and F eight. [speaker003:] Could you just plug it back into hers because she had [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Oh, wait. That's [disfmarker] [speaker003:] oh. [speaker004:] is that it? [speaker002:] Adjusting. [speaker001:] Here we are. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] The cable might be a little loose or something. [speaker004:] Right here we are. [speaker002:] Oh, you got it. [speaker001:] Oh. Is it on? [speaker004:] We're here. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] Okay, um. In order to see what the functional requirements were to be found, um a hundred people were tested in a usability laboratory through just their habits to n know their habits were observed and questionnaires were given out. Um, the findings in in some cases matched what we were talking about. Custome Customers and users don't like the way remote controls look, they don't like the way they feel, they don't think they match their operating behaviour, and an example is what we were talking about, the buttons, they only use ten per cent of the buttons, so later on there's a study of the buttons that they use most and I think we should design according to these buttons. Easy to lose, and RSI. I don't know what RSI means. Um the person that did the questionnaire obviously did, I don't have a clue. [speaker001:] Hm. [speaker004:] Um, according to the frequency of use and the relevance of each buttons, I have made a list of the buttons that we should focus on in order of importance. So the most important buttons are those to do with channel selection. They're used about a hundred and sixty times per hour. And um yeah so and and people like to zap a lot apparently, so this is the order. Channel selection, teletext, volume, and power. The other ones are the settings, and they're used less than [disfmarker] you know zero point eight to zero point five times per hour, and this means that I think we can we could have like a a button for all the settings, and then, just one, and then from there go on to the audio on the screen, either on the remote or on the television. Um, about the screen, and speech recognition, some people are more willing than others to actually pay for that. And if we look at the market, f people from well from fifteen to thirty five year old year olds, I don't really know how to describe this, um ninety one to seventy six percent of people in that age range are willing to pay more for this sort of product, while people that are above thirty five years ol um years old go from thirty five percent to eight percent, so people that are sixty five for example wouldn't actually pay for this sort of thing. Um I don't I don't know um what the decision to be made is, but I think that the people that actually do buy remotes m more are those like teenagers and young professionals and um, most likely, but we should discuss this together. [vocalsound] And that's all I have to say about the matter, [vocalsound] um. [speaker001:] 'Kay. [speaker004:] Shall I [disfmarker] what do I do? Do I give this to someone else? [speaker001:] Yeah. Just move right on. [speaker003:] Right. So get this. Okay so now I need to press F eight, what is it? [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Uh function F eight. [speaker004:] Function F eight. [speaker003:] 'Kay. What's function? [speaker001:] It's the little blue [disfmarker] w it's the one [disfmarker] th [speaker003:] Oh function, I see it. [speaker001:] yeah. [speaker003:] There we go. [speaker001:] Yeah should be [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] It should be [gap] yeah. [speaker003:] Okay. Um. This my presentation about the uh technical functions design and I basically just tried to focus on um [vocalsound] just what what functions we need and how to make that the best function for the user. So uh and I just sort of like thought about it myself and looked on the internet [vocalsound]. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] And okay so basically um [vocalsound] I think i uh like it is really important that we sort of get this done in a user friendly and fashionable way. Um [vocalsound] so I think things like uh you know keeping buttons together that [disfmarker] like close together that um [vocalsound] are used in the same way, uh [vocalsound] or um maybe that making 'em the same colour, keeping the number of buttons the uh leas you know to a minimum, and also things like is it is it um is it uh [disfmarker] can you c y small enough large enough I'm not sure we c I guess we would need to do some research about, I would, about what size is appropriate and that sort of thing, um but basically we need to make sure that it turns on and off the TV. Does it have like capacity to change the channels? Um [vocalsound] does it do [disfmarker] or do we need to have like functions for cable or VCR? And then, is it findable, and uh how do we wanna do that? And um [disfmarker] [vocalsound] I just thought that these two remotes were pretty boring, um I dunno if this will work but [disfmarker] And I think we can find something that's more fun to look at and use than either of those. [vocalsound] Just I mean I like the one on the right better, just because it does have fewer buttons, uh but I mean I think we sh can sort of think about things like um [vocalsound] like colour and you know size, shapes, that sort of thing, to best fit the user. [vocalsound] That concludes my presentation. [speaker001:] [gap] [speaker003:] Okay. You need the little thingy. Ooh. [speaker002:] How do I um [disfmarker] [speaker004:] S That's on view. Oh. [speaker002:] Right. Okay so this is on the working design, which is sort of the uh mechanical functions of the remote, um and the method I used was to basically look at existing designs and incorporate ideas from our last meeting. Um so I think we need two basic functions which is just the basic remote functions, the user can input a channel or volume setting and it will be output to the TV. And also we talked about um a location function where maybe you could press a button on the TV and it would send sort of signal to the remote where it would beep or flash or vibrate or whatever to tell you where the remote is. So the components we need are an energy source to power the remote, um input which would probably be buttons, although um we just talked about voice recognition, processor to take the information, um something to transmit it to the TV, and we also need something on the remote that would receive the location signal and have an output, like possibly a beep or a vibration. And also you need a sender for location signal, which would probably be a separate um thing that we'd have to sell with the remote and people could stick it on their TV or stick it on their wall. And this is just sort of an overview of how the remote works. Power comes from the battery, goes to the chip, um and then it is sent from there to an infrared bulb which is probably the easiest way to send to the TV. And then for the location function, you would have a sender on the TV which would output some sort of signal, um we could use IR but we'd probably wanna use radio instead. That signal would go to a receiver which it would process it, and it would be output in the form of a buzzer or a light lighting up. Um so my personal preferences for how to build the remote would probably be uh, battery for the energy source, that way you wouldn't have to plug it in, um a button pad for input, um we can purchase a pre-made chip which will handle all the processing stuff, IR transmitter to communicate to the TV, that's just sort of standard, um so most TVs have an IR receiver. Probably a radio receiver to send out location function and to receive it and I'd probably say a buzzer for the location function on the remote itself. So that concludes my presentation. [speaker001:] 'Kay. [speaker003:] Do you know about like [disfmarker] I dunno, you seem like you know about [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Mm? Yeah, uh I d I was an engineer before I came here. [speaker003:] Okay. Cool. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Okay. Well thank you everybody. Um [vocalsound] we have [disfmarker] we'll discuss that and then I just wanna mention some new project requirements that came in. Um, teletext is apparently outdated, so [disfmarker] [vocalsound] due to internet popularity, so that's off the list. Um, [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] also our remote should be used only for television, um, no extra internet kinda fancy things, just the remote and the television. Um and also we need to incorporate our corporate image onto this, so um the phrase is, we put fashion in electronics, so let's be fashionable I guess. Um if we have something [disfmarker] I mean silver and and gold or yellow are our colours, so if we had a like a kind of silver one like you saw, and yellow writing, something like that. Okay. Um. So we need to make some decisions on the remote control functions. Um, yeah. [vocalsound] Do [disfmarker] Let's [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] I guess we should yeah make some kind of brainstorming, [speaker003:] Like in terms of [speaker001:] see what we can [disfmarker] [speaker004:] How it looks or [disfmarker] [speaker003:] how it looks, or like what it does? [speaker001:] wha what [disfmarker] um [vocalsound] well probably our target group and how it's gonna going to appeal to our target group [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker001:] and I dunno the the s the buttons and what it does and that sort of thing. So. [speaker003:] Yeah. Okay. So [disfmarker] Is our target group then people [disfmarker] so do we wanna go ahead and design this thing with the finder button? So [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] I think that seems to [disfmarker] yeah. Mm. [speaker002:] It's easy to implement. [speaker003:] Okay. So the [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [gap] the the buzzer you mean, [speaker003:] yeah, yeah, yeah. [speaker004:] yeah, for sure, yeah. [speaker002:] Locator. [speaker003:] So then our target age group would be the nineteen to thirty five range, [speaker001:] Yeah, teenagers and young professionals. [speaker003:] what was it? [speaker004:] Well that's for speech recognition. [speaker003:] Oh. [speaker002:] Well [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Oh, uh. [speaker004:] And screen. That's only for speech recognition and screen. [speaker002:] I was thinking about that but uh I mean speech recognition is really hard to programme, and also, if the TV is on it's making sound and the people on the TV are talking, and if somebody says like one, then the TV's gonna switch itself to channel one, [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah yeah yeah. [speaker002:] or [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker002:] it seems like a silly, [speaker004:] I mean [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] I'm not sure how you would implement it. [speaker004:] I just put the values [vocalsound] in. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] And if if you consider our budget, it probably [disfmarker] [speaker004:] But um the screen is the same as what, [gap] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] It's a cool idea but [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] if you consider our budget, to h have speech recognition programmed in every single remote might be a little pricey. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah, I'm happy with that. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah [vocalsound]. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Completely. [speaker003:] Hu yeah. [speaker001:] Right so um [disfmarker] yeah. [speaker003:] Okay so are we gonna have just some kind of a [disfmarker] like we'll have the buzzer on the som like on the TV itself. [speaker002:] Well you would have to have a button on a TV or on your wall or some place [gap] since the TV already has power. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah you click the button, it's gonna send out a signal, and I was thinking, IR is line of sight, so unless the remote is like actually in front of the TV it's not gonna work, um so probably like a radio signal like on a on a cell phone. [speaker003:] Okay. Okay. [speaker004:] Yeah. Okay. [speaker003:] Alright. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] Sends out a signal and then the the remote hears the signal and so it beeps probably. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker001:] So you you'd need like a separate base for that or like something you can [disfmarker] [speaker002:] It would have to be sold separately because if the sender's on the remote then you'd have to find the remote first to click the button to find the remote [vocalsound]. [speaker001:] right. Yeah, yeah. [speaker004:] So do you plug it in the T [disfmarker] you plug it in TV, this thing? [speaker002:] Yeah, it'd probably just stick it on your TV so if you need to find the remote, click the button. [speaker004:] Okay. Okay. [speaker003:] So it's now like a two-part thing. [speaker002:] Yeah, so it would be a two part package. [speaker003:] Okay. Alright. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker003:] So we get to design that too. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Make it fashionable. Um, okay. [speaker001:] So do you think even though we're not talking about speek speech recognition our target group should still be teenagers and young professionals. [speaker002:] Yeah I think so. [speaker004:] Yeah. Just there. [speaker001:] Huh. Okay. [speaker004:] Mm. Are we um should that thing be on the [vocalsound] thing to put the [disfmarker] you s you talking about a home for it. Do you still want to build a little thing next to the telly or to p hang on the wall [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] or shall we leave that for now? [speaker001:] We probably leave that. I mean I guess one takes care of the other, [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker001:] like um if you can yeah if you can call it then it's [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah. Then it can live anywhere. [speaker001:] Yeah [vocalsound]. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] For the [disfmarker] so you have that button, that [disfmarker] so there's [disfmarker] is there a light or shall we leave just have a radio? [speaker002:] Um on the TV or on the phone? [speaker004:] Are we just having a radio? On the phone. [speaker002:] Um it seemed like a [disfmarker] a beep seemed the most reasonable to me, [speaker003:] T [speaker004:] You don't need a light. Yeah yeah yeah. [speaker002:] I think that's what the phone has, [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] I mean when you need to find your phone, you just have someone call it [vocalsound] and it starts ringing somewhere and then you can figure out that it's in the couch or wherever. [speaker001:] And like if the if the phone's under the couch, you might not see the light, so [speaker004:] You can hear it's under the couch yeah. [speaker001:] [disfmarker] yeah. [speaker003:] So i Yeah. [speaker004:] Um, [vocalsound] [gap] So need the other buttons. So we have this [disfmarker] mm. [speaker001:] So I mean the two remotes that you had shown r I don't remember who showed them [vocalsound], [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] That was that was me. [speaker001:] yeah you you did um, they're [disfmarker] I mean one looked like it was for VCR type thing, and the other looked like just television. [speaker003:] I think w I think they're both sort of just like general remo they're both general remotes. [speaker001:] Oh really. [speaker003:] And uh [speaker001:] 'Cause that that is something we have to decide, is whether we want to have VCR capabilities. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Does anyone know if VCRs are the same across [disfmarker] international? [speaker001:] They're not [disfmarker] no. [speaker004:] They're not, no. [speaker002:] Okay, so you'd need like a whole different set of buttons for everybody's VCRs. [speaker003:] S [speaker001:] Yeah, that's right, yeah. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] It not VHS here? [speaker001:] But DVD probably is. [speaker002:] Yeah, other than that region and coding thing. [speaker003:] Um [disfmarker] [speaker004:] But VCRs [disfmarker] [speaker001:] And and if we're if we're targeting young professionals and teenagers, I mean it's gonna be DVD type, that's the the technology these days. [speaker004:] Yeah. Yeah, for sure. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] So. Okay, let's see if I can [disfmarker] I think still though, it shouldn't be that hard to take [disfmarker] like just reduce the number of buttons you know, [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] like 'cause if you just have like one menu button, that works like with a you know, or you can just kind of scroll through the options u that come up on the TV. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Well for sure we need the um [disfmarker] I think we can just design the channels? I mean power's just a button, and it's not used that much, [speaker001:] S [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Huh. [speaker004:] s and it's usually that red [speaker003:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker004:] and I think it's quite nice to keep it like red. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] You know, I've seen some remotes that [disfmarker] where you just hold one, like if you hold one down it's it's a different colour than the other buttons but that turns it on. So you don't actually have a separate power button, it's just [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Oh okay, yeah. [speaker003:] It seems like that would be hard though. [speaker001:] But [disfmarker] [speaker003:] I mean, like because unless you know [disfmarker] [speaker001:] It might be confusing. [speaker003:] yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Just 'cause I wouldn't [disfmarker] I would probably pick it up and just be like uh why is there no on button. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah. Besides you like to be able to go power. [speaker002:] Yeah, I never think to hold something down. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] I have the power [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah. B [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker001:] I guess. So we definitely want a power button and numbers. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Right. [speaker004:] Well even um iPod thing [vocalsound] [vocalsound], like um, I don't know if people like this but if you want to reduce the number, of buttons, instead of having like one to nine, have a sort of [speaker003:] That sort of like joystick flat touch thing, yeah. [speaker004:] scrolling [disfmarker] I don't know. [speaker001:] Mm. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah. Because people li seem [disfmarker] now the iPod's out people seem to like this thing that there's no [disfmarker] Know you don't have one two three four five [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah, yeah. I think that's an interesting idea, 'cause it's cool, [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker003:] it's it's funny like you f like I just [disfmarker] I don't have an iPod but like I, you know, I just like started messing around with one of my friend's the other day, and you just sort of and [disfmarker] it's funny how you pick it up and you just figure out how to use it quite easily, like it's not that hard, you know. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah yeah, it's just [disfmarker] and it's one thing which has everything. [speaker003:] Yeah, and it is [disfmarker] yeah. It is really [disfmarker] but do you need a screen then, do you have to have a screen then? [speaker004:] Well can't it tell the [disfmarker] like can't you [disfmarker] if you [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah, you can have the number going around in the corner. [speaker004:] you can have the number on the telly going like one two three four five once you scroll and then [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Okay so we have this like scrolling sort of button. [speaker001:] Oh that's gonna [disfmarker] Is that like on on a mouse pad where like kind of [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Like a disc. Yeah. Yeah. It's like [disfmarker] it's just like the same technology as a mouse pad. [speaker001:] okay. I've never used one. No. [speaker004:] It's like l this [disfmarker] like that, and then you do that. [speaker001:] Okay. Okay. [speaker003:] Yeah. Yeah and then. [speaker004:] And then you can have um [vocalsound] [disfmarker] if you actually just want to zap, you can have like a thing [vocalsound] like that, and that, and then it can just be plus and minus. [speaker003:] Okay. So like it's like a little part of the circle that [disfmarker] Or it [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah, [speaker003:] oh so it's just a region of the circle that you can [disfmarker] [speaker004:] you can [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Well i [speaker004:] Yeah, click o actually click on to have [disfmarker] [speaker003:] zap. Okay. [speaker001:] We could we could even have four buttons, like, if that's the if that's the mouse, you could have the volume and the channel changers just like on that as well. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. So volume could be like the top it and the bottom [disfmarker] So do you need to [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Doesn't it rotate though, [speaker003:] okay. [speaker002:] so it'll be moving around. [speaker003:] Well y you have to you have to like be able to change the function of it to like [disfmarker] [speaker004:] What do you mean the function? [speaker003:] I mean like okay, 'cause so [disfmarker] I dunno, I guess [disfmarker] Okay [disfmarker] so when you g scroll your thumb like around it, it'll s like say you're go you're going clockwise. That that means you're gonna go up the channels, and then you scroll the other way and it'll go down. [speaker004:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] But then [disfmarker] so if you wanna switch to the [disfmarker] to u do you have to switch to a function where like y so you're either in that mode or you're in the mode where like it just has like the four like you know this is channel that way, that's that way and volume is up and down. [speaker004:] Yeah but it knows for some reason. [speaker003:] It just [disfmarker] [speaker004:] The iPod knows. [speaker003:] It just kno [vocalsound] the iPod knows. [vocalsound] S [speaker002:] [vocalsound] If it works on an iPod then it works. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Huh. [speaker003:] So you just you just can either do this or like you can just touch it if you want. [speaker002:] I don't have one. [speaker004:] Well for the volume you have to press the middle, and then go up. [speaker003:] Okay. That's what I mean. Okay. Okay so you have to like press this middle region and then you can scroll up, go up and down. [speaker002:] Oh. [speaker004:] And then [disfmarker] well if you do that it goes, [speaker001:] So it's like holding [disfmarker] [speaker004:] but if you [disfmarker] like that makes more sense 'cause there's already ones with up and down here, that I've seen. [speaker001:] You can [disfmarker] o And you you [disfmarker] is there an extra actual button? Or are you actually [disfmarker] you're just using the mouse to go up and down. [speaker004:] Well what you [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Like [disfmarker] [speaker004:] for the iPod you press an [disfmarker] [speaker003:] It's like a b [speaker004:] w right if you're on the channel let's say, then you press on the middle and then if you do that again the volume goes up, and if you do that it goes down. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Right. Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] But if you wanna keep it with volume here and here, I'm pretty sure [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Well I mean if if you're gonna this for channels, right, then y wouldn't the volume need to be separate somehow? [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Like you could just have [disfmarker] [speaker004:] I don't know, you could click and then have it up and down, [speaker001:] Oh, like [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Like [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Oh you could actually [disfmarker] [speaker004:] but I think [disfmarker] [speaker003:] I think we can go on the fact that it does just work with the iPod. [speaker004:] Yeah yeah yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah [vocalsound]. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] But the only thing is like, iPods are so expensive, like, it has to be [disfmarker] is that part of [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Is that what makes them expensi [speaker003:] yeah, [speaker002:] [vocalsound] I don't think so. [speaker001:] I think it's all of [disfmarker] [speaker003:] I dunno, I dunno. [speaker001:] they have so much memory though, [speaker003:] You don't think so? [speaker001:] that's [disfmarker] it's [disfmarker] [speaker002:] I don't think it's the wheel dealy. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker004:] I think it [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] I think it's the uh h it's their capabili I mean they [disfmarker] it can hold what like five thousand songs or something. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] [vocalsound]. [speaker003:] I'm thinking we could [disfmarker] if if we're hav So ba I mean but an iPod just has that circle thing you know. [speaker002:] And they're re-programmable aren't they? You can put on your songs and then put on a different set, [speaker001:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker002:] that's probably why they're expensive, they're like little computers. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] S [speaker003:] Yeah. Well like since it just has the circle thing, you could make it a qui a kind of cool shape, like it could be a cool sort of you know, because it could be circular, you know, or something weird like that, just [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] Yeah yeah yeah. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Well it could just be simple instead of being a l mass. Because, the other thing, I didn't tell you all my presentation [vocalsound], is that people find it [disfmarker] find that it's a big waste of time to have to learn how to use your remote [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] and that's another thing they complained about. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Um, what other buttons were there? Volume [disfmarker] oh we've ts just said that. [speaker003:] So okay. [speaker004:] Channel selection. [speaker003:] This is just for TV, it's not for [disfmarker] or it is [disfmarker] does need to be compatible with [disfmarker] [speaker002:] I [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Um [disfmarker] [speaker002:] A DVD is simple, you just have play, pause, eject, [speaker003:] Yeah. So how do you switch [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Menu. [speaker001:] You know actually our our new project requirements, I'm not sure if they meant o onl use only for television as in not for DVD or just not internet type things. [speaker002:] and menu maybe. Oh yeah. [speaker001:] So I'll I'll check that and update you on the next [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Okay. So like if we had that [disfmarker] [speaker001:] But we'll hold off on that 'cause [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] But s yeah uh. [speaker004:] But DVD players usually have their own remote. [speaker003:] That's true, yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] So, I know I'm not c really clear on what [disfmarker] [speaker002:] But it's cool to have it all on one, because you wanna turn it on then you wanna turn up the volume, and then you wanna go to the menu, so you don't wanna switch. [speaker004:] Yeah, yeah, yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah, yeah. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] So you'd have to have like [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker003:] I think [disfmarker] you would have to have like a function switch button, you know somewhere so like you can [disfmarker] you're either on TV, you're on DVD or you're on VCR, or you're like. So [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Well but DVD is only like four buttons. [speaker004:] Yeah, it is only fun [speaker003:] Yeah, but I mean like to switch the fun so like to switch the function of the little circle disc, the touch pad. [speaker001:] But i [speaker002:] Oh. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] But I think the circle only does [disfmarker] channel isn't applicable to DVD really 'cause you don't wanna [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah but it [disfmarker] it would be [disfmarker] [speaker002:] but volume is and volume is actually controlled on the TV so you don't have to switch. [speaker003:] So [disfmarker] but I'm saying like, does it make sense to have like some kind of a button, so like you're [disfmarker] if you're on TV, like you can switch channels, but then if uh if you're on DVD then like the channel bu like the the region of the disc that was for channels is for like switching to different tracks or s you know, to different [disfmarker] I mean do we need to think about that, that like [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Um, yeah, let's think about it [speaker002:] Yes we can try that. [speaker001:] 'cause we need to wrap up. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker001:] Um [vocalsound] let's see. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Um so everyone's gonna go finish their questionnaire, uh then when we come back after lunch we'll have thirty minutes of individual work, um yeah, so think about the things we've discussed and bring some new ideas to our next meeting. See you soon. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound]

[speaker001:] Here we go. Welcome everybody. Um, I'm Abigail Claflin. You can call me Abbie. 'S see. PowerPoint, that's not it. There we go. So this is our kick off meeting. Um and I guess we should all get acquainted [vocalsound]. [vocalsound] Let's [disfmarker] shall we all introduce ourselves? [speaker004:] Hi I'm Chiara, I'm the um Marketing Expert. Um, would you like me to talk about my aims at the moment, or would you like me to just say my name and then we can talk about business later? [speaker001:] I think we'll get around to that, yeah. [speaker004:] We'll get round to that later. [speaker001:] So this is just introductions yeah. [speaker004:] My name is Chiara and I'm the Marketing Expert. [speaker001:] Okay. I forgot to s say I'm the Project Manager but I figured you all knew that already, [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] um so. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] I'm Stephanie and I am the User Interface Designer. [speaker002:] I'm Krista and I'm the Industrial Designer. [speaker001:] Okay. Um so f here's our agenda for today. Um we're gonna do some tool training, project plan and discuss then close. [vocalsound] Um so. So our aim is to produce a remote control that is original, trendy and user friendly. And to do this, we have to [disfmarker] um there's certain things we have to consider about functional aspects and conceptual design of the thing. So. We'll get to that. Oh there it is. Right. Functional design, conceptual design and detailed design. So throughout our next couple of meetings we'll we'll be covering these things. Um [vocalsound] so we're gonna try out our white board. If we'll all draw our favourite animal, to sum up the characteristics of that animal. [speaker003:] So you want us to draw it and then talk about it? Or just draw it? [speaker001:] Okay. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] I think both. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah. Both. Yeah [vocalsound]. [speaker003:] Okay. Why don't we do both. Right. [speaker004:] Who starts? We ought to decide who starts and [vocalsound] all that. No? [speaker001:] Any volunteers? [speaker004:] Uh-huh. [speaker001:] Does anyone know what they wanna draw? [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Mm, I gotta think about it for a second like. Uh [disfmarker] Does it have to be [vocalsound] functional, trendy and user friendly? [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] I don't think so. [speaker003:] Um. Okay, I'll draw. I'll draw one. [speaker001:] [gap] [speaker003:] Make sure [gap] my things here. Uh-oh. Right. Okay, my favourite animal is [disfmarker] see. [vocalsound] Oops. [speaker001:] A dolphin. [speaker003:] Yeah, it's [vocalsound] [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] 'S like playing Pictionary. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yeah, I guess it has a fin on top too, yeah. [vocalsound] It's my dolphin. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] So what characteristics do you like about your animal? [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] I like its tail. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Um, no, I think dolphins are really uh [disfmarker] I dunno, they're smart and they they're cute and they like swimming and that's cool, like [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] They're graceful. [speaker003:] they're graceful yeah, and they're so [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Sleek [vocalsound]. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yeah they're sleek and they look intelligent [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] and I don't know, they're [disfmarker] I guess it's the whole like binocular vision thing. [speaker001:] I don't know how intelligent that one looks [vocalsound]. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah he he doesn't look that smart [vocalsound]. He's a [disfmarker] [vocalsound] I dunno um they're [disfmarker] I think it's cool the the um [vocalsound] the interaction that or the th things that [disfmarker] the reasons people seem to like you know [disfmarker] you get ex you know people are sitting on the beach and p they're like oh look there's dolphins and it's kinda like [vocalsound] [disfmarker] but they're you know they jump around in the water and they're happy and they're mammals, but they swim. [gap] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yes. [vocalsound] Does anybody else wanna draw their animal? [speaker002:] Suppose I can draw an animal, yeah. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound]. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Uh-oh there goes the ten. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] It's a cat. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] I don't know. They sleep all day, [vocalsound] they're easy to draw [vocalsound]. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Do you wanna [gap] anything? [speaker004:] Uh yeah. [speaker001:] I dunno if the the [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Well I had the cat as well, but uh I've got a spare one. [speaker002:] I think the pen is running out of [disfmarker] [speaker001:] ah. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] So I'll use the spare one. Um but it's harder to draw [gap] um. [speaker003:] And the pen's dying [vocalsound]. [speaker004:] Um. [speaker001:] A horse. [speaker004:] Uh. [speaker003:] Horse. [speaker004:] Um I don't [vocalsound] really know how the legs go, [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] That's very good. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] but anyway I will do that. Um, and the main reason is they're pretty. I think they're very pretty and they go well with the environment, and I like the way they run and I used to do horse riding and they're just very sort of sturdy and nice animals. And I like the way um they feel, sort of under under the hand, I think that's pretty much it. Um [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [gap] Yeah. This cord's [disfmarker] [gap] Uh. Right. Actually I haven't thought of anything yet [vocalsound]. Uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] It's a pig. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] So I'm thinking we should design a remote control that's water resistant, strong and furry. What do you think, yeah? [speaker003:] And furry. [speaker001:] This is [disfmarker] yeah, well like a cat, you know, soft yeah. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Textile [disfmarker] tactile, [vocalsound] tactile remote control. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Although [disfmarker] uh I'll just put there. Right. [speaker003:] You're dragging a [disfmarker] you have a tail [vocalsound]. [speaker001:] [gap] Oh my gosh, this is disastrous. Sorry about that. [vocalsound] Okay. [vocalsound] So moving on. Our selling price goal is twenty five Euro and profit aim is fifty million Euro. So I'm guessing that we're not actually in Scotland, we're in some European country [vocalsound]. Um, and we will hope to sell this internationally. [speaker003:] Sorry can you just say that [disfmarker] what's the [disfmarker] what are our price goals again? [speaker001:] Um selling price is twenty five Euro. Profit aim fifty million Euro. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker004:] How many should we sell then? [vocalsound] Um, a lot, [speaker001:] Anyone a mathematician? [vocalsound] [speaker004:] two two two million, [gap] two mi no, more f four million. [speaker002:] Two million. [speaker004:] Four million. And it [disfmarker] well it's the profit so if a profit for each is twelve fifty, that'll do four million. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Oh, yeah. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] It is a lot. Uh. [speaker001:] So f that's a fifty percent um uh. Um, I don't know what these mean because I didn't actually make the slide-show. Experience with remote control. So I guess we have to reflect on our experiences with remote controls to decide what um we would like to see in a convenient, practical, nice remote control. Um so do we have any initial ideas for uh how this remote control should be designed or formatted or the the buttons it should have. [speaker004:] Um, I think one thing is that it should be easy to find [speaker003:] I was thinking that too. [speaker004:] bec yeah [vocalsound] bec [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] I think we should design something that has like a [disfmarker] so you can [disfmarker] like somehow like you [disfmarker] I mean you always know where your TV is, so just have a call button, I've always wanted that, [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah, yeah yeah yeah yeah. [speaker003:] so like [vocalsound] you can push a button on your TV [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah. I mean you have it for the portable phone, so why not [disfmarker] yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah, yeah yeah yeah, so you should have a call button on your television to be able to find your remote control. [speaker004:] Yeah. And even I think a little light. Um or even a [disfmarker] maybe a vib a vibrating thing. I dunno but someth because it's usually under the sofa. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker004:] In which case you're going to be l but if it has a sort of signal which isn't any sound [disfmarker] I don't know if it's expensive maybe to [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah. I don't [disfmarker] yeah I mean it [disfmarker] but like I mean [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Maybe call is enough. But yeah. [speaker003:] just I mean like your phone even just has so [disfmarker] like it can vibrate, it can light up and make noise and I dunno [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah yeah yeah. Yeah. [speaker001:] What if it had something like um just like a magnet on the back of it and you could [disfmarker] I mean j just to have some place to put it besides like a base. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] You know like a portable phone has a base, [speaker003:] Yeah, or if it had a [disfmarker] yeah. [speaker001:] like just to have a home for it. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah yeah yeah yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah, I mean [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] 'Cause people just stick it on top of their TV, but the point of having a remote is not to have to walk over to the TV, so [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Well that's why it's always in the couch. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah [vocalsound]. [speaker003:] Yeah, in in the couch [vocalsound]. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [gap] [speaker003:] I dunno, it seems like though that that would be hard, 'cause you not you're not gonna be lazy anyway and [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah. Maybe we should design couches that have the remote control in the side arm. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah so we [disfmarker] [vocalsound] the project is now couches and remote controls. [speaker004:] But even just a thing to attach it to the w you know if you had a thing, a pretty object attached to the wall. But that would really make it more expensive. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] But it's only a plastic thing, r really, the thing on the wall. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Something like that. And the other thing is [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Do you think it needs to be bigger to not lose, or does that not factor in? [speaker003:] Bigger. [speaker004:] Not [disfmarker] well it needs to be sort of [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Like Hand [speaker003:] Hand-sized. [speaker001:] hand held size, yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. I don't think you need a [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Not not huge, but [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] But definitely not [disfmarker] well I don't know. [speaker003:] It can't be that hard to put some kind of a noise on it. [speaker004:] No, it can't be, uh-uh. [speaker002:] No it really wouldn't be. [speaker003:] Or like or like a light thing. [speaker001:] Huh. [speaker003:] You know. I dunno [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Like spaceship. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah [vocalsound]. Or make it mobile so it runs around and comes come find you yeah [vocalsound]. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] That would be really [disfmarker] I'm sure we could do that for twenty five Euros a pop. [speaker001:] Little homing device. [vocalsound] [vocalsound] Um. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yeah [vocalsound]. Uh. [speaker001:] Okay. So what do we think this remote control should [disfmarker] Five minutes. [speaker004:] Oh dear. [speaker001:] Till the meeting [disfmarker] oh right. This is what we have left. [speaker003:] I also think though that it shouldn't have too many buttons, [speaker001:] Um, oh we just [gap] [speaker003:] 'cause I hate that when they have too many buttons and [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah, I agree. [vocalsound] B button and the F button, they don't do anything. [speaker004:] Yeah, yeah yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] I mean I know it has to have enough functions but like, I don't know you, just have like eight thousand buttons and you're like, no, you never use half of them. So. [speaker001:] You [disfmarker] what if um may be a little fancy but what if it had like a little screen, so it has less buttons but it still has all the functions. [speaker003:] That would be cool. [speaker001:] Like the way a mobile phone does. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. I mean it just seems like [disfmarker] [speaker001:] So you could like um [disfmarker] like if you have I dunno if you have satellite if you have a hundred channels, you can [disfmarker] the way you do it on your radio is that you uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] yeah. [speaker001:] what do you call it [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Select. Uh. [speaker001:] s y yeah but you can programme, so you can programme like your favourite channels, so like if you had a s [speaker004:] But, would you have the screen on the thing, or would you have it on the telly transmitting the screen. [speaker001:] That's something we could decide. Mm. [speaker003:] I guess they would go together somehow? I dunno. [speaker004:] Because [disfmarker] Because, I don't know if it's [disfmarker] [vocalsound] I think it's e expensive, if you have [disfmarker] if you use the telly screen, 'cause the telly's already a screen, then you can pro sort of have a programming function, really easy sort of arrow up and down, on the remote, [speaker001:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker004:] and then use the telly as a screen. [speaker001:] Right. [speaker004:] But um [disfmarker] [speaker003:] I'm thinking kind of [disfmarker] [speaker004:] But yeah for sure. Something like not [disfmarker] it's not on the button but it's telling you what to do, [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] is that what you mean? [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Right. Mm. [speaker003:] Or like you h you see those you know people [disfmarker] I'm thinking of like celebrity cribs kind of things when like they have all those [disfmarker] these things that at their house you know [disfmarker] their their entire house is so electronic, and they have like this one master control that [disfmarker] and it's like a hand held like [disfmarker] turns on everything sort of control and it has like a screen and like [disfmarker] so I think it should be possible to have some kind of a screen, I don't know if [disfmarker] it must be [disfmarker] it would probably [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] must be ex too expensive though t like I dunno. [speaker004:] But like mobile phones have screens and they're cheap. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker003:] Yeah, yeah. Yeah that's true. [speaker001:] Yeah. I mean, we have to remember our budget is twelve point [disfmarker] twelve fifty for [disfmarker] to actually make the device. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker001:] Um but it's something to think about, yeah. [speaker003:] Well, I guess we have to get to that later, yeah. [speaker001:] I mean we'll have to see how much that would be. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Or some [disfmarker] it i we can find out probably on the internet [vocalsound] how much it's [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Um. Yeah, and the other thing you said that thing about robust and water um [disfmarker] What was the word? [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Furry. [speaker004:] Water resistant. [speaker001:] Oh I was just [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] No but it's [disfmarker] I thought, ah, spot on. Good feel, tact tactile, good tactile feel, [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] maybe something didn doesn't make your hands sweat lot. [speaker003:] Yeah. Mm, mm. [speaker004:] That's quite annoying. [speaker001:] Maybe um just like a simple thing to have a clip on it, like so you can clip it to your [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] like that's another [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah, clip. Ooh [vocalsound]. Um. [speaker001:] Um. We should probably start wrapping up, um we've got some initial ideas that we can all look into. Um, and come up with some new ones for the next meeting, which will be in another thirty minutes. Um. So. Yeah. The Industrial Designer, what does that stand for, ID, [speaker002:] Yeah I think so. [speaker001:] yeah [vocalsound] um is going to be looking more into the working design. So I guess you'd be looking at lots of the things we discussed about screen and um that sort of thing. The something, what is the UI? [speaker002:] User. [speaker003:] That's me. [speaker001:] Yeah, what does it stand for again? [speaker003:] Uh, User Interface design. [speaker001:] User Interface Designer. So that's gonna be more technical. I guess that maybe the working design has also to do with like the physical feat like just the way it looks and the way it w [speaker003:] So technical function. [speaker002:] The working design is the structure. [speaker001:] Yeah, yeah. [speaker003:] What is technical functions exactl I I don't really know what [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Um, I guess you'd have to find out [vocalsound]. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [gap] [speaker004:] It says on that email but it [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Um. It was in the email. [speaker003:] It does but it [disfmarker] I just don't really [disfmarker] [speaker002:] I wrote down what mine were. [speaker004:] It said um [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] It said [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] What effect should the thing ha should it have, okay. Alright. [speaker004:] Yeah like [disfmarker] [speaker003:] And working design. Okay. [speaker004:] Be a medium between you and the telly I think, [speaker003:] Yeah, yeah. Alright. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker004:] that's uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] And how it works, okay. Right. I'm I'm on task. [speaker001:] And the ME, what does that stand for [vocalsound]? M [speaker002:] Marketing. [speaker001:] Marketing, right. Um [vocalsound]. [speaker004:] Marketing. Oh it's written here, but um. [speaker001:] So we'll be working on the user requirements, um [disfmarker] Yeah. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker001:] So I guess that wraps it up. I'll see you all in thirty minutes. I just did.

[speaker001:] Good. [speaker003:] Beep. [vocalsound] [vocalsound] Oh. [speaker002:] What? [speaker001:] So well uh welcome everyone. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Um as you may have noticed I uh [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] created separate folders because it was uh tending to get a little busy in our uh shared project documents uh folder. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] I don't know if everybody uh put their own uh documents in the right folder, which is for now the detailed design meeting. [speaker004:] That's new one? [speaker002:] We didn't make any uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Uh, we should save that one. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Oh in [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Then I'll move this one. [speaker002:] Didn't we just do that? [speaker003:] Yeah, save in the folder. Save as project. [speaker002:] Oh. [speaker001:] Oh no, this is just one big document, so you can leave that wherever it is. [speaker003:] Oh, okay. Hmm hmm. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] And we have a evaluation left here. Okay. [speaker003:] Agenda. [speaker001:] Well not main documents this time. [speaker002:] Hmm? [speaker001:] Oh uh yes. I have it open myself I guess. Um well the detailed design meeting [disfmarker] Huh? We're finally getting somewhere hopefully. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Um what are we going to do? I've opened it already. Um I'm still going to take some minutes, [speaker003:] Oh, sorry. [speaker001:] and if I'm right, you two are going to give a prototype presentation? [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [gap] [speaker002:] We could. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Aren't you? Yes, you are. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] And uh m did you do something with evaluation criteria? [speaker004:] Yep. Yep. [speaker001:] Good. And we have a correct agenda. And uh then we have to look at something which is less nice, the finance uh aspect, whether we can afford what we have designed, and if we can we can uh commence the final part which is the production or project evaluation, [speaker002:] Oops. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] how did we work together and what are the results, and how happy are we with those. Okay, well finance uh will be later. Now I'd like to give the word to you two. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Okay. Get up stand up. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Well uh [speaker003:] [gap] just [disfmarker] [speaker002:] we made a prototype. [speaker003:] 'Kay. [speaker002:] We first start with the overall uh [disfmarker] This is about the total remote control. [speaker003:] View. [speaker002:] We made it green. [speaker003:] Just example colour, so uh [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] there's one of the colours we would like to uh see in our prototype. [speaker002:] It's a fresh colour. And uh the screen light blue. Oh uh this the scroll button and the microphone on the on the sides here under. And the R and R logo, it just says R and R now, but uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Okay? [speaker002:] Any questions so far? [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Big microphone. [speaker003:] [gap] yeah, just uh just an idea about how to m th that could also be possible. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Oh okay. That's the place where it's going to be, not the size. [gap] [speaker003:] Uh well, [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] it's an idea in a [disfmarker] so. [speaker002:] Oh y you [disfmarker] perhaps you should make it a bit big, so people know it's there and uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Do not forget it. [speaker002:] Uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] To function it it doesn't really have to be sm uh big of course. [speaker004:] Yeah, okay. Of course. [speaker002:] Hmm. [speaker003:] The microphone could be just a minor uh hole uh on the left uh button. [speaker004:] Mm. Mm, th yeah. Small. [speaker003:] Okay um [vocalsound] we also made some uh ideas about how uh the options menu would work. Uh using the scroll button on sides uh y uh I uh um [gap] [disfmarker] [speaker002:] You push the scroll button [speaker003:] Yeah, you push the scroll button [speaker002:] and it's claps out if there's a [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] and a drop down menu or a pull out menu comes out and uh you get uh you get the options uh becoming available. For example uh TV settings, uh remote settings, et cetera. [speaker002:] Remote settings, et cetera. Yeah. [speaker003:] So uh you can scroll down too with the scroll uh button, uh as you can see [disfmarker] oh, it's here, just push it in, uh the menu comes out like this and uh i it all becomes visible. Um [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah. And you could also touch it so that it comes out, [speaker003:] Yeah, [speaker002:] and and use the the the scroll thing as a [disfmarker] with your fingers. [speaker003:] that's c Yeah. Indeed. [speaker002:] Yes. [speaker003:] Okay, um it's also uh nice to see that um we made a small uh menu, uh the options menu uh becoming available when pressing the uh scroll uh button, and the opportunity to use the teletext, whi which is used uh [disfmarker] which should still be used and we think that it's uh very handy to put it uh not uh under the options menu, but in uh [disfmarker] Yes. In an apart uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] So a separate button for for text, [speaker003:] In a separate button, yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] okay. [speaker002:] Perhaps we should use the teletext sign in p yeah. [speaker003:] A sign, yeah, just like [disfmarker] Okay, indeed. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Okay, we can uh modify that later. [speaker002:] Forgot. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Okay. Would you like to make any comments about next uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Uh well, this is the total interface uh that f of the LCD screen. Uh the numbers, which is pretty straight forward. We put ano an an extra button in. We can erase it, but [disfmarker] It's the button where you can switch channels. [gap] just when you are one and you go to two, you can [disfmarker] or if you go to five, you can go back to one with that button. Yeah, that one, yeah. [speaker003:] Previous page, yeah, indeed. [speaker002:] It has a name. And uh uh we put that in, [speaker003:] Oh my God. [speaker002:] I thought it would be handy there. Uh this the one number or two numbers button. Below that, the page and the sound. And uh in the middle the the mute. Uh battery indicator. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] It's quite large. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] It's [vocalsound] it's a bit big. [vocalsound] And this is the uh the on off uh knop, the stand by uh knop. Or at least it should look like it. And the options uh of teletext. [speaker003:] Okay. You can see very clearly now that the uh teletext and options menu isn't uh taking uh much uh [disfmarker] uh it's taking much part of the screen, so it's very uh [disfmarker] when you uh [vocalsound] when you use it, doesn't uh become irritating to see. 'Cause if you put it on the top you always get see the the options menu. [speaker002:] Huh. [speaker003:] 'Cause people regularly uh read from left top to right down, so [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Yeah. Well this about it, I think. [speaker003:] Okay. Huh. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Thank you. [speaker002:] I will put it back on the [disfmarker] [vocalsound] on the nice green. [speaker001:] Looks good. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] And I just missed when I was typing [disfmarker] The RR stands for? [speaker003:] [gap] [speaker002:] That's the logo of the [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Logo, okay. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yeah. It's th th right now it's only R R, but uh [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Okay well [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Full screen. [speaker001:] I would have recognised it if it were the right colours of course. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Shit. [speaker002:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Alright. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Sorry. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] 'Kay. [gap] [speaker001:] Okay, the evaluation criteria, [speaker002:] Oh full screen, yeah [vocalsound] [gap]. [speaker003:] Huh. [speaker001:] huh? [speaker004:] Evaluation. 'Kay, my task was this time to put up a questionnaire by which we can evaluate the design of the remote control by the questions we [gap] [disfmarker] requirements from the [disfmarker] of the users. My name, my job, okay. [speaker003:] My name, my job. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] The methods. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Questionnaire with seven point scale from one to seven, from true to false, like question, is remote big enough, we can say it's true or it's false by steps. [speaker002:] Right. [speaker004:] One means absolutely not true, seven [gap] [disfmarker] means true. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] The three important things of refa [vocalsound] [gap] are uh from th of this year is [disfmarker] are, [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Sorry, [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] you used the PowerPoint [gap] [disfmarker] [speaker004:] is the remote control fancy enough, [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] is it in innovative enough, and is it easy enough to use. And then evaluation itself. Uh. [speaker003:] What? [vocalsound] [speaker004:] So. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Bling. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] First question. Is the design fancy enough? [speaker002:] Well [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Project Manager, what do you think? [speaker001:] Well it's [disfmarker] looks fancy, especially with the green colour. And the the curves which we decided, [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker004:] But does it [disfmarker] [speaker001:] huh? [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Only what happened to the single curve we spoke about last meeting? [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Now uh [speaker002:] It uh [disfmarker] oh it's in the background. Oh. [speaker003:] the single curved idea was uh [disfmarker] Yeah, okay, you ge um [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Y you should make uh a sideways uh view. [speaker003:] Yeah. The sideways view, uh that that that ma [speaker002:] It will be, I guess. Oh, we can [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Ho not that pen. [vocalsound] Not that pen. [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [gap] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Oh [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Well [speaker002:] g [vocalsound] I would [vocalsound] [disfmarker] smart board. [speaker001:] it might work one time, huh. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Suppose so. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Uh can I draw here or uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Think. [speaker002:] Ooh. [speaker003:] Ah. Oh my God, [speaker004:] Yeah, yeah, you can. [speaker002:] So [speaker003:] it works. [speaker002:] it would be uh something like this from the side, but with a bit of uh curve here, right? [speaker003:] Yeah, that's the single curve indeed. [speaker002:] Yeah. So if you v flip it like this. [speaker003:] Yep. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] Here's [gap] yeah. [speaker003:] That's not very [disfmarker] i it's also uh very handy if you make a side curve way to make the the remote control very thin at the bottom uh at a bottom at a bottom. Uh make it uh rather thick on the top, because uh on the top it has uh the screen, which takes uh in some uh space, and the batteries can be located over there, [speaker002:] Yeah. So [speaker003:] so uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] you just make the back of this part a bit bigger, so that it lays a bit o [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Isn't going to be a little bit heavy at the top? [speaker003:] [gap] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah, that's a bit of problem maybe. [speaker003:] No. [speaker004:] With two batteries, the whole print plate and t and top, and if you're holding it quite a lot I think [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah. I think yeah, the battery should be in here, because it's just nothing, [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] so if you could [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Okay, indeed. Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. 'Cause otherwise I think i [speaker001:] Okay, but we have to rate uh these things now? [speaker004:] Yeah, we have to rate. Is it fancy enough? [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] True is one, false is seven. So fancy enough means, does it comes to the younger people and the elder people. [speaker002:] I think it does. [speaker003:] I think so. [speaker004:] I think [disfmarker] [speaker002:] I if you don't make it green, then the elder people won't won't like it. [speaker003:] It's pretty fancy. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah, I have to agree, all the colour colours don don doesn't matter that m that much now, [speaker003:] [gap] you get th [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] it's only design. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] I think it does. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] And the design. [speaker001:] Well I think uh especially because of the microphone and the LCD screen also. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. I don't know whether older people will use it, but [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Very new thing. Well [disfmarker] [speaker004:] So [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Fancy [gap] the old people will. [speaker002:] I would make it a two or something. [speaker003:] [gap] [speaker004:] A two? [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] [gap] It's true, it's a one. [vocalsound] Very fancy. [speaker002:] Huh? Alright, it's a one. [vocalsound] Oh it's a one. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] No, it's a two. [vocalsound] Little bit strange we have to judge that ourselves, huh? [speaker004:] Yeah, [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] I n used [disfmarker] I wouldn I should use that one, but it doesn't [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] But it's a one uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Okay, no [speaker002:] Maybe uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] it's two? True is a one. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Very true, is it very true or isn't that true? [speaker001:] Well [speaker002:] Well [speaker001:] I'd say two on a scale [disfmarker] [speaker002:] they think it's very true, but uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] It's very true, [speaker004:] Yeah, I think two. [speaker003:] because we designed it to be very fancy, [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah, [speaker003:] so [disfmarker] [speaker002:] but [disfmarker] [speaker003:] It's very fancy, I think. [speaker002:] We should perhaps [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Have you ever seen a remote control like this? [speaker001:] No, okay well, [speaker003:] No, okay, [speaker001:] that's true. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] so so it's fancy. [speaker004:] That's fancy enough. [speaker002:] That not. Yeah. [speaker004:] Then? [speaker001:] Okay, one two. That doesn't matter that much, [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker001:] so make it a one. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Let's give it a two. Is it innovative? [speaker002:] I think it is, [speaker004:] Enough. [speaker002:] because it has an LCD screen, a mi microphone. [speaker001:] Yeah m [speaker003:] And uh uh the scroll is rubber, [speaker004:] We have for the search function. [speaker002:] It's from rubber. Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] so s [speaker004:] The scroller a bit [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Eno enough to [gap] I think. [speaker004:] I think it's it's a one yeah. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] It's a one I think. [speaker003:] [gap] [speaker004:] True. Also huh uh-huh [disfmarker] the buttons, are they easy to find? That was a big requirement of the old people. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yeah, because they're right on your screen. So you can use the b the the arrows. [speaker003:] Huh. [speaker002:] They're right on your screen, so I don't know where you'd search. [speaker003:] With the ones [gap] [speaker004:] Are all the buttons easy to find? Not only this buttons, all the buttons. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Well, I think they are. The options are it [disfmarker] uh little bit harder, [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] but if you touch the options then it's uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Take a harder look, yeah, sure. [speaker004:] I think th it's [speaker003:] It's easier than the regular uh remote control. [speaker004:] easy t Yeah, [speaker001:] Yeah, [speaker004:] I think this is easy now. [speaker001:] and you use these buttons the most, [speaker004:] I think th I think the options buttons are not the the easiest way to to [speaker001:] huh? [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] So [disfmarker] [speaker002:] No they're not, but they're they're they are easy to find. [speaker004:] to handle. True. I would rate it a [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah, they are a lot easier to find than uh th than on the regular remote controls where you have to uh find out what [disfmarker] which sign or icon means on uh every button. [speaker002:] Oh. [speaker004:] Yeah, okay, that's true, that's true. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] So you have t you have to use the the the manual to understand most [disfmarker] [speaker001:] So which [disfmarker] [speaker004:] But that's that's vantage of LCD screen, you can have text. [speaker001:] So [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] which number are we going to fill in? [speaker002:] I would say yeah. [speaker003:] I think it's uh it's a two, at least. [speaker002:] Yeah. Yeah, [speaker001:] A two, yeah? [speaker002:] you can make it a two. [speaker001:] Two, three and [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] It's not perfect, but [disfmarker] [speaker001:] what do you think? [speaker004:] [vocalsound] I think it's a three. [speaker003:] A three? [speaker001:] Okay, so [speaker003:] And why is that? [speaker001:] we have two, two, three. [speaker004:] I personally think, because I d I don't think i maybe it's easy to use, it has to be easy to find right away. I I think if you have the button at the right, I don't think you can find the option button that easy. [speaker002:] Yeah, but you don't have t have to use the button on the right. [speaker004:] You can touch it. [speaker002:] You can touch it. Yeah. [speaker003:] It said bo both the options. [speaker002:] You you can touch options. [speaker004:] Yeah, okay, but you have y then you have here s written option on here, the teletext button, right? [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Okay, then okay, good. Then I think also two, yeah. [speaker002:] You can touch options and it's comes out. [speaker001:] A two, okay, [speaker004:] Yep. [speaker003:] A two, a two. [speaker001:] because we have to [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] The uh the um [disfmarker] Below. [speaker001:] It's the box below it, [speaker003:] Uh the next question the next question. [speaker001:] huh? [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Oh my God. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Otherwise we have two results in one question. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] It's different. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Okay, next question. [speaker004:] It's easy to use, as well for younger as elderl elderly people. [speaker002:] For young people I think it's easy to use. [speaker001:] [gap] [speaker004:] Young means sixteen to forty years. [speaker003:] Yeah, I was [disfmarker] uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] And elderly from forty eight to their death. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] I think it's [disfmarker] [speaker003:] I think it's the most useful uh remote control ever to be manufactured. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] In the entire mankind. [speaker001:] Okay, you're very enthusiastic about your own design, [speaker004:] Also if you're sixty years old [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah, but because it has the regular uh controls, [speaker001:] huh? [speaker003:] li uh as you can see in the screen now, and uh you don't have all the other options uh always uh on your screen. So it's t I think it's really easy to use. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] You want these options to [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Also [speaker001:] As well for the for the older people? [speaker004:] Yeah, as well [speaker003:] Uh sure. [speaker004:] as your [disfmarker] if you're fif sixty years old, you're holding one of those things in your hand [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah, but uh [disfmarker] Yeah, but they they don't want the uh extra options, [speaker004:] No, [speaker002:] right? [speaker004:] but we're going to th make this f for a all kind of people, [speaker002:] So [disfmarker] [speaker001:] And would it be easy for them to use the speech recognition? [speaker004:] so it it it has to be [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah, okay, but so they could [disfmarker] Uh I think it is. If they read a manual. [speaker001:] Because that might [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] If you read the manual, [speaker003:] Perhaps that is one of the most uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah, alright. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [gap] always. [speaker001:] M maybe that's the most user friendly and easy to use. [speaker002:] Because it it's not it's not it's it's not uh difficult. [speaker003:] Uh because a lot of [vocalsound] [disfmarker] [speaker002:] You say you say uh record to to the to the speech recognition, [speaker003:] Channel one, channel four, yeah. [speaker002:] then you say the question and the answer. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] And that's everything it does, the speech recognition. [speaker001:] Yeah, well maybe that would make it even more easy to use for them. [speaker002:] Yeah. I think it would make it uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah, I think it does. [speaker004:] So [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Because all the people who can't uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] I would make it two. [speaker004:] Also two? [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Uh a two. Sure, two. [speaker004:] Not a seven for this [gap]? [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] Three? [speaker003:] Oh. [speaker001:] I'd say three. [speaker004:] I would also say three. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Oh. [speaker001:] Okay, so [speaker002:] You? [speaker001:] we have three three two two or [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Two. [speaker002:] Oh. Well [disfmarker] [speaker001:] So what are we going to do? [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Two and a half. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Okay, a three, I see. Uh [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Give me more. [speaker002:] Three? No. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Another question. [speaker004:] Remotes overwhelmed with buttons. [speaker002:] No. [speaker003:] No. [speaker001:] No. [speaker004:] No, that that's that's [disfmarker] [speaker002:] But um I mean, [speaker004:] yeah. Tha that's a one, I think, that's definitely a one. [speaker002:] that's definitely one. [speaker003:] That's definitely our uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Oh nee, oh seven is it? It is. [speaker004:] No? Oh yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah, uh the remote score. [speaker003:] A false, yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. Yeah, but I think you should make it one scale with with one being good and seven being bad, [speaker004:] Yeah, I think isn't, this has to be something like isn't overwhelmed. [speaker001:] because otherwise we can't uh calculate anything from the results, [speaker002:] It's not overwhelmed. Yeah. [speaker001:] so [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah, indeed. [speaker004:] True. [speaker001:] Okay, [speaker002:] Yep. [speaker001:] a one, because we designed for that, [speaker004:] Remote control has uh colours that different [disfmarker] that meet different target groups. [speaker001:] huh? [speaker002:] Yes. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [gap] [speaker002:] 'Cause we make them in different colours, so that they uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah, [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] is optional. [speaker004:] That's true. [speaker001:] Yeah, and I though w we had about single colours, but you can also make uh a wood colour, not just one single colour but a wood-like thing, [speaker002:] Yeah. That it that it looks like wood, like something, yeah. [speaker003:] Huh. [speaker001:] can't you? [speaker004:] Also with rubber? [speaker002:] Uh I think you can. [speaker001:] Whether it looks like wood, it isn't w it isn't wood [speaker004:] Yeah, okay. [speaker001:] but [disfmarker] [speaker002:] It it feels like rubber, [speaker001:] You can make a print on rubber, [speaker002:] but [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] can't you? [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah? [speaker002:] Well [speaker001:] So that's a one then, [speaker002:] but then when you scratch it it does come off. [speaker001:] huh? [vocalsound] [speaker004:] That's a one? Okay. [speaker003:] Yeah, it is it is harder to [speaker002:] So that's a bit [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Do you have many questions? [speaker004:] Uh I have [disfmarker] [speaker003:] to like [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Oh, okay well [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Oh we have time. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Geez. [speaker001:] Yeah, but we have [disfmarker] We also [disfmarker] We have to get to the money. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] We're getting paid. We're getting paid. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] The material used is spongy, [speaker002:] [vocalsound] What? [speaker004:] that that's uh that's a one, that's m rubber. [speaker001:] What [gap] spongy. [speaker002:] Yeah, yeah, it's very spongy. [speaker003:] Uh. [speaker004:] Yeah, I th think it's not the most spongy thing. [speaker002:] Oh but not [disfmarker] it's not very spongy, because it's hard rubber. I think it's a three. [speaker003:] Yeah, it's a three, [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Uh-huh, yeah. [speaker003:] because you want to make it uh rather flexible but not too flexible, [speaker002:] Hard but [disfmarker] Yeah. [speaker003:] because it has a LCD screen. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] You can [vocalsound] break it. [vocalsound] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Remote control is hard to lose. [speaker003:] Hard to lose, yeah it sh and it's easy to find. [speaker002:] Y yeah, you could you could call it. [speaker004:] Y you can't you can't lose it if you're sixty years old. If first time see the thing you didn didn't adjust uh [disfmarker] set the microphone, and then you lose it, then you have lost it. [speaker002:] Yeah, y you can lose it, but it isn't hard to lose. [speaker004:] It isn't hard, no. I think I think this is a two, personally. [speaker002:] Two. That it's hard to lose? [speaker004:] No. [speaker002:] Yeah, it it is [disfmarker] there's the [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Isn't hard to lose. [speaker001:] Yeah, [speaker002:] it's a six, you think? [vocalsound] [speaker001:] so isn't hard to lose you. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Isn't hard to lose, yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Isn't hard to lose. [speaker002:] So it's a two. Yeah, you can lose it, so I don't [gap] [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah. You can't lose it. [speaker002:] you can make it a three I [gap] [disfmarker] It does have an [disfmarker] a built in function. [speaker004:] Or if you're you're sixty years old, your demands [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah, but a har A hard to lose is good. So it should [disfmarker] this question should be hard to lose. It's difficult to lose it. [speaker002:] Nee. Hard to lose. Oh right. [speaker003:] Yeah, this this is hard to lose. [speaker002:] It is hard to lose. Yeah, [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] so then this is [disfmarker] it is almost true, [speaker003:] This [vocalsound] [disfmarker] [speaker004:] I think [disfmarker] yeah, I think also. [speaker001:] A two. [speaker002:] so a two. [speaker001:] A two. [speaker003:] Two, yeah. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [gap] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] And most all because of the option to [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Huh? [speaker003:] Whoa. [speaker002:] Ooh. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah, it's okay. That happens above also. [speaker002:] Oh. [speaker003:] Uh. [speaker001:] But maybe when you scroll away and back it will be normal, [speaker004:] Yeah? Oh, okay. [speaker001:] but [disfmarker] Yep. [speaker004:] No. [speaker001:] Oh, [speaker002:] Oh well, [speaker001:] it isn't, [speaker002:] it doesn't. [speaker001:] well okay. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [gap] put the cor cursor [gap] on the [gap]. [speaker001:] Remember. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Okay okay okay. Remote control mainly be sold to younger people. [speaker003:] Click. True. [speaker002:] I think it will, [speaker004:] Yeah? [speaker003:] True. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] yeah. [speaker004:] True? Very true? [speaker003:] Uh yeah. Uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Uh well [speaker004:] No, I don't think very true because the colours. [speaker001:] There. [speaker002:] I [disfmarker] a a two. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] We have the colours. Um we have the buttons is [disfmarker] aren't that that much. [speaker003:] Materials, yeah. [speaker004:] Nah, the material isn't that [disfmarker] [speaker002:] It's it's much more younger. [speaker003:] Uh okay. [speaker004:] So I don I think [speaker003:] So ma uh make it make it a two. [speaker004:] I think it's a three. [speaker001:] Well I think it's it's uh a lower number, so better because w we designed it for young people especially, [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah, [speaker002:] I think it's a two [speaker004:] but I uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] didn't we? [speaker002:] but [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Okay, okay. [speaker001:] What do you think? [speaker004:] I think because [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Questions? [speaker003:] A two? I think it's two. I think it's two too, two too too. [speaker001:] Two. Uh-huh. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] yeah? [speaker002:] Two two two. [vocalsound] Let's make everything a two. [speaker004:] In the features? [speaker001:] Dissatisfy younger people. Um [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Younger people. It has [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Well perhaps not. [speaker002:] What did [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Because younger peoples are cr critical and they wanted a lot of features on this thing. [speaker002:] Yeah. Well [speaker003:] Well, [speaker002:] that [disfmarker] it doesn't. [speaker003:] n not exactly but uh uh if it had some games on it or something like that, [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah bu but [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] but it's for a remote control I think it i [vocalsound] it would satisfy those needs. [speaker002:] I think they like the speech. [speaker003:] Yeah, the speech possibility, [speaker002:] You could call to your uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] LCD screen and scroll. [speaker002:] yeah, and the screen, [speaker003:] the colours. Scroll options, yeah. [speaker002:] yeah. [speaker004:] I I think they'll be quite met with their expectations. [speaker001:] Yeah, but those are more fancy functions, not not really many features or something. [speaker002:] Right, [speaker004:] No. [speaker002:] that that that [disfmarker] [speaker001:] It has relatively few features, [speaker002:] those are features. [speaker004:] It's three features, basically, [speaker001:] with [disfmarker] [speaker004:] the LCD [gap] touch screen is feature. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] The microphone is a feature. [speaker002:] No, aren't the features [disfmarker] the microphone's feature and that you can change the channel's feature, and that you can change the volume is feature, [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] and that you can change the options of the remote, uh uh something like that. Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah, okay. [speaker001:] Ours had other features with [disfmarker] [speaker004:] I think [disfmarker] yeah, and then you have the audio settings, channel setting, video settings. [speaker003:] The easy volume up button. [speaker002:] Those are features. [speaker003:] Remote [disfmarker] younger people usually use the remote control to put on the volume. [vocalsound] Turn uh turn up the volume. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah yeah. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Enough features? [speaker004:] So I've chos I shou I think it's it's it's a one. Personally, yeah. I think once you've [disfmarker] 'cause you have the channel features b uh you have the uh screen features, audio features, the [disfmarker] you have all buttons on it which you'd like, microphone extra, LCD screen extra, scroll thing extra. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Okay, you think one, what do you think? [speaker002:] I think two or three. [speaker001:] You. [gap] three, yeah. [speaker003:] Two. [speaker001:] I'd say three, so two it is then [speaker002:] Yeah. Yeah uh [speaker004:] Make it make it a two. [speaker002:] a two a two. [vocalsound] Just another two. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] or [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] One two three. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Or make it uh a fucking two. [speaker002:] We like two. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Right. [speaker004:] You can see the remote control is [gap] R and R. [speaker002:] Yeah, there's R and R in front. [speaker003:] Uh. [speaker001:] Yeah. Yep. [speaker004:] [gap] Has [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Uh it's not the colour, so maybe you should make two, but it has R and R. [speaker004:] oh yeah, do did have [disfmarker] nah y you have the black one. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] And we'll probably make also a yellow one. [speaker002:] Yeah, [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] but not R and R yellow I think. [speaker001:] Yeah, maybe maybe two. Well m th [speaker004:] Maybe two. [speaker001:] but the logo is on on the front, [speaker003:] Okay, true, yeah. [speaker001:] so [disfmarker] a two, yeah, [speaker002:] One d on i it's the colours and the [disfmarker] [speaker004:] X marks spot. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] that's [disfmarker] [speaker004:] And the menu is avail that is available is easy to use. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] I think it is, but I don't know what you think. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] I think it's easier to use than a regular remote control, [speaker004:] Yeah, tha that's so true. [speaker003:] because when you push on the options menu, you get the the the various options uh entirely explained. Entirely explained. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Instead of uh just finding out what an icon means on a button. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. Yeah, uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] And you can navigate easier, [speaker003:] Yeah, you can navigate. Uh. [speaker002:] because wi with the [disfmarker] you have to push the the the arrows and [disfmarker] with a normal TV uh remote. [speaker004:] I think that wou that would be quite hard to learn to use it. [speaker003:] You're not satisfied, okay. [speaker004:] No I'm not not convinc. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Let's start over again then. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [vocalsound] Let's make a different remote. Well [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Let's go th for [vocalsound] [transformerror] [transformerror] [transformerror] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Menu. [speaker004:] I think it would be a t yeah, two. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] A two? [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Now lower. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] A two. [speaker001:] Oh, well [speaker002:] We only have twos. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] that's that's pretty good, huh? [speaker003:] Oh yeah, I think so. Yeah. [speaker002:] Uh just twos. One three and a few ones. [speaker004:] So okay, [speaker003:] And three. [speaker004:] we have one three, a one, that that have to got up. [gap] [speaker002:] Two threes. [speaker004:] Two two two two two. [speaker002:] We m mostly have twos, [speaker004:] So two, yeah. The average is a two. [speaker002:] so it's pretty good. Yeah. [speaker004:] That is quite good [speaker003:] The average. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yeah. I think so too. [speaker004:] in my opinion. [speaker003:] Yeah, I think so. [speaker004:] That [gap] [speaker002:] We can be happy. [speaker004:] Ooh. [speaker003:] Save. [vocalsound] [gap] [speaker004:] Ooh. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah. What is it? It's like a bug or something. [speaker003:] It's a fly. [speaker002:] A fly, yeah. [speaker003:] Oh m [speaker002:] A f butterfly. [speaker004:] Top. [speaker002:] Yeah. That's it. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker001:] That was your evaluation uh show, [speaker004:] Yes. [speaker001:] okay, so [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Sure. [speaker001:] we don't have to calculate anything because of um these results. [speaker004:] No, it's two. The average is two. [speaker001:] Okay, good. [speaker002:] It's good. Yeah. [speaker001:] Um let's see [disfmarker] oh, it isn't asked to save but it did already [gap] [speaker003:] Yeah. Exactly. [speaker004:] Yeah, I uh uh I uh saved it. [speaker001:] And this [gap] Everything okay. Well, the next part uh might be a little bit difficult to do in a group, but I am willing to try it. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Because we are going to look at the finance and I have a nice Excel sheet to do that. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Redesign. No. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] And um I'm not sure if I put it in the project folder. [gap] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [gap] [speaker001:] look on that. Um and we're going to calculate the production costs, [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] and if they are uh under or at twelve Euro fifty, we're good, [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] and if they're not we're going to uh re-design, [speaker002:] So we're going to erase features or something. [speaker001:] but we have to do that uh very very quick I think, yes. Um I don't know if I [speaker002:] Do you have the cost or uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] put the Excel sheet in the [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Let's hope. [speaker001:] n not in the [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [gap] f fifty five Euros. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] We're going to be here at eight o'clock. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] folder. I think it's I think it's still in my own documents folder. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] We're goin still going to be here at eight o'clock. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] No. [speaker002:] I doubt it. [speaker001:] Oh shit. [speaker002:] Perhaps we've got features that don't exist in the Excel sheet. [speaker004:] Yeah mm yeah, maybe. [speaker001:] So [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] No, [speaker004:] The microphone. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker002:] it was in my uh my information, [speaker003:] It i It wasn't too much. [speaker002:] so uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah? [gap] [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] maybe you're going scrap scrap it. [speaker003:] As well as the LCD screen. Whoa. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Okay, well [speaker002:] Well, if it doesn't work [disfmarker] [speaker001:] this is it. Um maybe I could ask one of you to uh fill it in, so that I can also uh take minutes, [speaker002:] I want to fill it in, but uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] No prob. [speaker001:] and uh maybe the other can uh use that thing to count uh numerous functions. [speaker004:] Ah. [speaker002:] But you should uh direct [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Count it? Li like write it be [speaker001:] Well we have to count some things and we have to think about some things. [speaker003:] Count it. [speaker001:] But you have to fill in this column, huh? [speaker003:] You got Excel to count. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [gap] [speaker002:] The number of [disfmarker] [speaker001:] No, uh count uh number of functions, because for every button you have to pay [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Oh okay. Well [speaker004:] Ah, okay, cool. [speaker001:] and there are different screen shots, so [disfmarker] or different different screens, [speaker003:] I dra uh Danny, Danny, I'll do that, [speaker004:] Huh? Yeah? Oh, yea yeah, you design it. Um [disfmarker] [speaker003:] because I draw the uh [speaker001:] so [disfmarker] [speaker002:] We've got a battery, one or t two batteries, or not? nee one battery, with two small batteries. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah, but it's it's more about the energy source, huh? Do you use a hand dynamo, a battery, kinetic or solar cells? [speaker002:] Yeah. I would do a battery [disfmarker] we do. [speaker004:] Solar cell. [speaker002:] Right? [speaker004:] No it took a battery? [speaker002:] A battery. One battery, [speaker001:] We'll wait. [speaker003:] No, no solar cell, no no no no. [speaker002:] right? [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] No hand dynamo. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Electronics, simple chip [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Hand [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] We have [disfmarker] [speaker002:] advanced chip, right? [speaker004:] No, we have sample speaker. [speaker003:] On advanced chip. [speaker004:] But b al but we also have sample speaker, do [speaker003:] Yeah, yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah, so this one and this one. Uh we ha we have um single [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Oh, we already on nine. [speaker002:] what? Are we? Oh yay. [speaker004:] We have double curved. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] The single. [speaker003:] Single nee single curved. [speaker004:] Single. [speaker003:] Double curved was uh uh see uh ju three dimensional. But it isn't three dimensional, [speaker004:] This one is [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Oh [speaker003:] it isn't curved in a l [speaker002:] the the [disfmarker] it's not going to work uh people. We have rubber. [speaker004:] This one is curved like this, right. [speaker001:] I'll just fill it in. [speaker004:] It's curved like this. [speaker003:] No no no, single curved is like this. [speaker001:] Um rubber indeed? [speaker004:] Yeah, [speaker003:] Uh that's the only curve you made, [speaker004:] bu what [disfmarker] [speaker003:] not th uh curved like that. That's uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Oh, but we have curves like it and it. There are two curves, [speaker002:] Thirteen? [speaker004:] right? Oh, okay I understand, I understand. [speaker003:] Huh? [speaker002:] With a scroll wheel, right? [speaker004:] Rubber. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Is he integrated? No, eh? I don't know. [speaker004:] Push button. [speaker003:] Yeah, [speaker004:] No, we don't have push button. [speaker003:] we gotta integrate scroll wheel and push button, because when you push it and you w it won't just pu uh makes possible to s [speaker002:] Oh yeah, right, we want it to [disfmarker] it's not it's not [disfmarker] no. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] LCD display. [speaker003:] Not going to work? Okay. Okay um [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yep. Fifteen, oh, too bad. [vocalsound] Oh but with special colour we have. A special form, right? [speaker003:] But now button supplements. We don't got the button supplements. [speaker002:] Oh, we don't have any buttons, so [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Eighteen and a half, [speaker002:] Yeah, [speaker004:] damn. [speaker002:] we need to uh [speaker004:] We have to lower it with six points. [speaker003:] Damn. [speaker002:] No, [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker002:] uh we have fifteen and [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Twelve and half. [speaker002:] oh, right. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] We could lose the curve. [speaker003:] Nah. [speaker004:] We could use [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah, I would lose the curve. [speaker003:] We could lose the scroll wheel. You could make it just a regular scroll wheel. [speaker002:] But you can't push it, so you have to tap. [speaker003:] Yeah, if you can't push it you have to tap the the options window uh button here and then uh scroll down with the d with uh [vocalsound] with uh the button. [speaker002:] Yeah, alright. [speaker001:] Yeah, I think that will be our best bet. [speaker002:] So normal scroll wheel? [speaker003:] Normal scroll wheel. [speaker002:] And I think we should lose the curve. [speaker004:] I think we should scrap the sample speaker. [speaker003:] Lose [vocalsound] [disfmarker] [speaker004:] It's four pri it four units. [speaker002:] Yeah, but if you [disfmarker] would i it is a new feature, it it's something special. [speaker003:] Okay, so we don't exactly need the single [disfmarker] We don't need a curve. [speaker004:] But w d wha [speaker002:] No, [speaker003:] 'S possible to lose curve. [speaker002:] the curve doesn't really [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Curved then it will be square. [speaker002:] No, then it will [disfmarker] won't uh stand up from the table. Then it would just [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Okay. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Was that [disfmarker] does that mean to it, single curve? [speaker003:] Yeah, that's meant with scr uh with s curve. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] The curve is uh in a dimension. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker003:] If you make it a flat one, s n it's no curve, you got no curves. [speaker002:] So [disfmarker] We would lose this one? [speaker004:] Yeah, but tha that that only is one. [speaker003:] Yeah, okay. [speaker002:] Yeah, we could s yeah, a bit. [speaker003:] No, two. [speaker004:] No, one. [speaker002:] Sixteen point three. [speaker003:] Oh, okay, indeed. [speaker004:] So we don't [disfmarker] [speaker002:] So we still [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah, we also have to [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Is it possible to make [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Could could we do it on a regular chip on print or something? [speaker004:] No, otherwise we don't have an LCD screen. [speaker002:] No? Ma y you just can't do that, or uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] No. [speaker001:] And what did you change? You changed the uh scroll wheel [speaker002:] We changed th [speaker001:] and [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah, and the single curved to uncurved. [speaker004:] Single curved. [speaker001:] Oh, [speaker004:] Flat. [speaker001:] but it's just one [speaker004:] Yeah, so that does doesn't doesn't that mu I think [disfmarker] [speaker001:] point, [speaker002:] No. [speaker001:] so maybe you should should uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Scrap sample speaker? [speaker001:] Yeah, [speaker004:] That that's uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] you should you should drop the speech recognition. [speaker003:] The sample speaker is two d wait, f s four points. [speaker002:] Yeah, but it's t [speaker004:] Yes, four points. [speaker002:] Yeah, but it is uh it it is a new feature, [speaker001:] And then you can keep the curve. [speaker002:] it is something special. [speaker001:] Or can't you? [speaker003:] Yeah, uh becau uh when you lose the [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah, but what what else what else uh do you want to scrap? F You have to [disfmarker] we have to scrap four points. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] I don't know. Yeah, that's difficult. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Or make it on a hand dynamo, but [vocalsound] I don't think that will work. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Ma make it with wood instead of rubber? [speaker003:] No, that's [disfmarker] no. Make it w uh [speaker002:] Uh. [speaker003:] when you made it uh uh uh a remote control of wood? [speaker002:] [vocalsound] We could make it titanium instead of rubber. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] You don't make a remote control of [disfmarker] Ah. [speaker004:] Yeah, it it i [speaker001:] Yeah, mm-hmm. [speaker004:] Yeah, it also [disfmarker] uh it also takes one point less. [speaker001:] Yeah, but uh a wooden remote control only helps for uh old people we discussed, [speaker002:] Oh. Oh can I ask something? What is special colour? [speaker001:] yes? [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Is that the wood uh wood uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] I think it is. [speaker002:] this, we have to have that one too? [speaker003:] It isn't. What? [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah, but it's only a half. But I think the only option is to drop the uh sample speaker. [speaker004:] Yeah. Sample speaker. [speaker003:] To knock the sample speaker, yeah. And sample sensor. [speaker002:] Th then we still have too much [speaker004:] Yeah, okay, [speaker002:] if we use the uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] three. Point three. [speaker003:] But m yeah, course, but [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yeah, we we scrap that one? [speaker003:] What we'll have. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Huh? [speaker003:] Let's make it thirteen or fourteen. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Point twelve [gap]. [speaker002:] See, a po three. [vocalsound] We need point three. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] That's a scroll wheel. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Uh it's a colour. Don't make it wood. [speaker003:] A colour. [speaker004:] Yeah, but a wood [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Make it uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] we can make it brown, dark brown, not wood. [speaker002:] Yeah, but it's it's special colour, is it [speaker003:] Yeah, [speaker002:] a all kind of colours? [speaker003:] special colours, fruity colours. [speaker002:] It's also green [speaker004:] Is it also [disfmarker] [speaker002:] or uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] no that that's just normal colour [disfmarker] fruit colours. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Normal colours, yellow [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah, but it's a special colour than just rubber colour. You have to add something to the rubber to make it green. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] You don't say here's green rubber. [speaker003:] They don't sell green rubber plants. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah, but then I d I don't think we can ever make to a twelve and half. [speaker003:] Alright. [speaker002:] Yeah, you can, you should [disfmarker] you have to lose [disfmarker] [speaker004:] But then we have to scrap LCD display, we have to scrap uh [speaker002:] No, it is the scroll wheel, I guess. [speaker003:] No no no. [speaker004:] s advanced chip. No then we have to scrap everything we got because how many colours we gonna make? Five? [speaker003:] If we lose the scroll wheel and make it totally uh depending uh dependent on uh the touch screen [speaker004:] Then we have two. S [speaker002:] A push, [speaker004:] touch. [speaker002:] yeah. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] then it's possible to make. [speaker004:] Then we can make [disfmarker] add two colours on it. [speaker003:] And then you can [vocalsound] and then you can add to the colours. [speaker004:] Yeah, two colours [gap] it. [speaker003:] Special c [speaker002:] Switch colours. [speaker003:] Okay, if you lose uh [vocalsound] if you lose the [disfmarker] [speaker002:] It was such a great idea. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] You lose this one, you got eleven point five [speaker004:] They can add two colours. [speaker003:] and you make i and then you can make uh the spec single curve, for example. [speaker004:] But the colours. Um how ma uh the colours like l she told, is that all the colours we add or [disfmarker] [speaker003:] How d uh uh how many colours? [speaker002:] What do you mean? [speaker003:] Special colours, all the colours you want, because you want to make p [speaker004:] Yeah, but we we we are [disfmarker] we have yellow, red, uh black, titanium. [speaker003:] Yeah, but uh when you use more than one colour, it's a special colour. [speaker004:] Ah okay. [speaker002:] Oh. But I think when you use the colour that's not originally the rubber then you use special colour, [speaker003:] I suppose. [speaker002:] 'cause you have to add it. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah, but the rubbers alls original black. [speaker002:] Yeah, so you always lose the special colour. You co you could make it always black, like normal remote. [speaker004:] Yeah b Yeah, but we're gonna make it yellow [disfmarker] uh red, and then you add [disfmarker] you have two special colours on top of the one we have now. [speaker003:] Nee we we also want to make ano another colour. [speaker002:] Oh right, yeah. Yeah, [speaker004:] Yeah, [speaker002:] we should u [speaker004:] but m [speaker002:] Yeah. We have to make this like four or five or something. [speaker004:] Yeah, because we have more colours than only black. [speaker002:] That's what it means. [speaker001:] Yeah, [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] but isn't it per remote that you pay? [speaker004:] I [disfmarker] then I think I p I don I don't think they me mean they're special [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Oh right, yeah. [speaker001:] Half? [speaker002:] Is it per remote? [speaker001:] I think you pay half per remote. [speaker002:] Yeah. Yeah, that's right, [speaker001:] So each remote with a special colour. [speaker002:] and you [disfmarker] one colour per remote. [speaker003:] Yeah, indeed, yeah. [speaker002:] So then it is one. [speaker003:] You don't need four of those [vocalsound] uh four of those special colours in one in one remote. [speaker004:] Yeah, okay okay, true. True, true. [speaker002:] No. [speaker001:] I hope. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] We have two points spare. [speaker001:] So the battery, [speaker004:] Nee one point. [speaker001:] we have um advanced chip on print. [speaker002:] One. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] So it would be curved, single curve. [speaker001:] Because of [disfmarker] thing [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Or not? [speaker001:] Yeah, well you can at least make it curved again. [speaker003:] Hmm. [speaker002:] So [speaker003:] Yeah, single curve. [speaker002:] y you just can't make a nice remote. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Because that was very important, [speaker002:] It's too bad for the speaker. [speaker001:] huh? So it's curved, it's still that [disfmarker] so we we dropped the speech recognition together with the speaker. [speaker002:] Should we change that tha that that's a one if not, [speaker004:] Mm yep. [speaker002:] or not? [speaker001:] We dropped the scroll wheel. [speaker002:] Could you copy it? And make it uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] And the rest is the same, huh? [speaker004:] Y yea the scroll wheel is dropped. [speaker001:] Am I right? Yes. [speaker002:] The entire uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Uh. Huh. [speaker004:] Yep. [speaker002:] Perhaps you can then copy page or so. Ooh. No. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker002:] Oh you you made the entire [disfmarker] could you [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Undo, undo. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Oh [speaker003:] Undo. [speaker002:] not [disfmarker] Well [gap]. [speaker003:] So, 'kay. Twenty minutes? [speaker002:] Would you? By the [disfmarker] Perhaps you can save this one, and then copy or something. Add it copy page. Select all. [speaker001:] No, but you c yeah. [speaker002:] Alright, something went wrong. [speaker004:] Tap. [speaker001:] Okay, but this this new remote we can afford. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] It doesn't work. Let's forget. [speaker004:] It should've work. [speaker003:] Okay, so you had this list at start? [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Hmm? [speaker003:] Alright. [speaker001:] No, I hadn't. [speaker003:] When did you receive this list? [speaker001:] I just received it. [speaker003:] Ah okay. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [vocalsound] Oh ignore that. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] They don't work so hard at the finance department. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Ah okay. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Well, so [disfmarker] [speaker003:] I suppose this is a [disfmarker] Okay, so [speaker002:] Too bad. [speaker003:] we lose the scroll wheel, [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] the s [speaker002:] The microphone. [speaker001:] Yeah, and that's it. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] And the microphone. [speaker002:] A and we changed something, I guess, or not? We [disfmarker] Oh no. [speaker004:] Yep. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker001:] Twelve Euro fifty. Um and did you try to make a new design, or what were you trying to do? [speaker002:] Yeah, I tried to copy that one, but it didn't work. [speaker001:] It didn't work. [speaker002:] So we could fix it like tha that it's like this. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Hmm. Strange. [speaker002:] You could select it all, but then you can't erase. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Strange. [speaker001:] Oh, you can arrange [disfmarker] [speaker003:] You can only re erase? [speaker002:] Erase. [speaker003:] Oh. [speaker002:] When you saw th li uh [disfmarker] Earlier when we selected it, w I couldn't erase anything. [speaker003:] Uh, no. [speaker001:] Hmm, can't you then just say copy? [speaker003:] Bling. [speaker001:] New page. Paste. Yes. [speaker003:] Ah. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Select none. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [gap] just tap somewhere. [speaker002:] Just tap somewhere. [speaker003:] [gap] just up somewhere b uh besides it, right. [speaker001:] Okay, [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] and now you can erase. [speaker002:] I don't think I can, but uh we can try. [speaker003:] Uh, we already try. [speaker001:] Well it should be possible. [speaker002:] Oh, yeah, no, [speaker001:] Oh no. [speaker002:] ha-ha. [speaker001:] Well [speaker004:] No? [speaker001:] you can draw over it with white uh pen. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yeah, we tried it earlier. [speaker001:] Oh. [speaker002:] It's very much work. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Sorry. [vocalsound] Well but that's also useful for the evaluation, because I think uh we have a prototype now [speaker004:] Evaluation drops. [speaker001:] which we can afford and uh we only need to draw a little bit to get a good uh design. Doodle. And I think we should then move on to the production evaluation because of the time. [speaker004:] And erase the mic. [speaker002:] Yeah, goodbye mic. [speaker003:] All I need is no mic. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Let's see, [speaker002:] Oh, I already erased half of the line. [speaker001:] we can save this now. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Bon chance [vocalsound] [speaker001:] And move back to here. [speaker002:] Too bad, oh. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Like this? [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Still looks nice. [speaker001:] And then all green. Okay, well thank you. [speaker002:] Oh, [speaker004:] Looks like a iPod. [speaker002:] that's erase. [speaker001:] Oh, no [gap]. [speaker003:] No, [speaker001:] Hey, [speaker003:] add [gap] [disfmarker] [speaker001:] but you can erase that. [speaker002:] Yeah, that's a bit weird. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Uh-oh. [speaker002:] Oh, [speaker003:] S Difference between lines and text and the pen. [speaker002:] now I'm [gap] line. Yeah. [speaker004:] Oh. [speaker001:] Right. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] All I need is [gap] mic. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] And you can't erase this? [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Hmm, strange. [speaker002:] No, [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] it's weird. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Okay, well uh just leave it at this and quickly save. [speaker004:] Station page. [speaker001:] Um and then we are going to the project or product evaluation. [speaker003:] Huh, looks fucking boring now. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] We just did [gap] our project evaluation. Um well, I think I can sit for that since it's almost my final slide. Um what did you think about uh the process? How satisfied are we? [speaker003:] Deadlines were sometimes very short. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Bu but stressful. [speaker003:] But [disfmarker] [speaker002:] You think, no, my presentation isn't ready. [speaker003:] And stressful. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] I think we [disfmarker] it should be b it would be better if we worked a little bit together. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Now we worked through each other, [speaker001:] Yeah. And you could ask things. [speaker002:] Yeah, [speaker004:] something he said [disfmarker] [speaker002:] you had information I didn't have [speaker004:] yeah, [speaker002:] and then uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] and you had information I also had, [speaker002:] Oh right. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] so some some things I had in my presentation, they already told, [speaker003:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker004:] so [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] And for me it sometimes was a surprise who was going to present what, huh? [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker001:] And uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] So yeah, that [disfmarker] I don't think that is the best way to work at [disfmarker] for such project. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] No. [speaker001:] So you would say uh communicate during our individual uh work. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah, no, or maybe session of five minutes together or something, and then work separate. [speaker003:] Yeah, but but why not work here together, for example? [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah, you could [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Why should we be separated from each other in those difference [disfmarker] uh different rooms? [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. Well, [speaker002:] I think so too. [speaker001:] probably to simulate the whole working uh process, [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah, but then you can work together too [speaker001:] huh, th [gap] you can't have a meeting uh for several weeks. [speaker002:] when [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah m yeah, like she told. Then you can work together too by mail or by, I dunno, chat, something, [speaker003:] Huh, oh right. [speaker004:] but now we're completely separated from each other. [speaker001:] No. [speaker002:] A chat would also be uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] I don't think that was the best way, but [disfmarker] [speaker003:] But the technology was uh fantastic. [gap] [speaker004:] Yeah, the technology's okay. [speaker002:] Well, I I don't really like the board, it doesn't really work great. Sometimes I think [vocalsound]. [speaker003:] Work now? [speaker004:] Yeah okay, but I don I do I think becau that's because [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Perhaps it is e [speaker002:] It does work, but sometimes it doesn't erase [speaker003:] Yeah, [speaker002:] or it doesn't uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] perhaps it is easier to get one of those uh dig digital pens or so and to uh [disfmarker] and lay it next to that keyboard over there. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] So you can draw uh [disfmarker] see it over th on the screen. [speaker004:] Yeah, like the f like a plotters or something, [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] yeah. Yep yep yep yep yep. [speaker001:] So [speaker002:] But [disfmarker] [speaker001:] you don't think the SMARTboard is is really useful [speaker003:] [vocalsound] It's useful, but not m [speaker001:] or [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Well [speaker004:] Yeah, it is useful, but [disfmarker] [speaker002:] it is useful, but it doesn't really work all the time. [speaker004:] No. [speaker003:] Because when you put this pen on the screen uh uh for exam and line is d being drawn at at two or three centimetres uh below. [speaker002:] Th the pen doesn't [disfmarker] The line is a bit off. [speaker001:] Yeah, so it's maybe a bit unnatural also. [speaker004:] Yep. [speaker003:] Alright. [speaker002:] Yeah, you can point to where you want the line to be. But [disfmarker] [speaker003:] The project uh [disfmarker] because of the deadlines you didn't had the time to uh [disfmarker] have, you didn't have time to uh [disfmarker] to make a very uh qualitati qualitative uh presentation. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] So you used uh this uh the different PowerPoint presentations uh in which you put your uh material in the [disfmarker] Oh. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] That wasn't me. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Wasn't me. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker001:] Uh [vocalsound] so um the means, we discussed the smart board, and what about uh this digital pen? [speaker002:] I [disfmarker] [speaker004:] I didn't use it at all. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] I I used it, it it was [disfmarker] you can use it, it's quite handy I think. [speaker001:] Yeah, well [speaker003:] But I didn't [disfmarker] I uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] I use it as a a normal pen and and and only you use it to uh get it on the computer, [speaker002:] Yeah, I used it to y to [disfmarker] [speaker001:] huh? [speaker002:] Yeah, it did work pretty well. [speaker003:] I used it too, but [disfmarker] oh well. [speaker004:] I didn't use. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] I don't think why you would want to use it actually, [speaker003:] Yeah, [speaker004:] No [disfmarker] [speaker003:] because it shou [speaker004:] yeah. [speaker002:] but it it does work. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] To make some designs, [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] It is it is [disfmarker] [speaker003:] it is very easy. [speaker004:] yeah, it is easy for [disfmarker] to design something and then load it in your computer. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah, and then you can show it to everybody. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] But to write it th yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. It's b bi little bit too big to write. [speaker002:] It doesn't really write normally. It's a bit [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah, it's too big, it's too fat. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Fat document, those. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Okay, um and what about the teamwork? [speaker004:] Team work was okay. [speaker002:] I think it was great, [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah, well I think so too. [speaker002:] yeah. [speaker004:] Only thing that we worked through, past each other. [speaker001:] [gap] we [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Right. [speaker001:] Yeah, [speaker004:] With some things that was only problem, [speaker001:] but that was [disfmarker] it was our assignment, [speaker002:] Yeah, [speaker004:] but [disfmarker] [speaker002:] but it was because we didn't uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] huh? [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah yeah yeah, but furthermore better. [speaker001:] Okay, and maybe I should walk out of the room when you discuss uh this point, the leadership. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] That's [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] I thought it was good, but uh [disfmarker] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] yeah, no prob. Ah. [speaker001:] Yeah well, [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker001:] okay. [speaker003:] Not too much, not too too too too [gap]. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker001:] And creativity? Well, when we look at this I'd say we have been creative, [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] huh? But [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Well. [speaker003:] Yeah, or the room for [disfmarker] it was the idea to be creative, [speaker001:] There was room for [disfmarker] [speaker003:] so [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] You got some standard ideas in your head [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] and this what came out. [speaker002:] And you get get stuff from the from the computer, [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] but [disfmarker] [speaker003:] The information uh was sometimes uh a little bit too late [speaker004:] Little bit uh lo yeah. Too late [disfmarker] [speaker003:] or [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] it it it took a lot of time before you got your ema [speaker002:] You just sit there for ten minutes. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah, [gap] where is that email? [speaker004:] I played I think seven times Solitaire something. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Oh [speaker001:] You did? Well, I didn't have time for that. [speaker002:] did you? Is it on there? [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Wha [speaker002:] Is it on there? I didn't find the [disfmarker] didn't look but uh [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [gap] [speaker001:] At some times I [disfmarker] Sometimes I received like like five emails at at one moment, [speaker004:] Oh right, [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Was searching and searching. [speaker004:] it is there. [speaker002:] I didn't look, but [disfmarker] [speaker004:] No, I I never got that. [speaker001:] and then [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [gap] [speaker002:] I got like one email after ten minutes or something. [speaker004:] I always [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] N yeah. [speaker001:] I even got spam. [vocalsound] Or something like that. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] That's what we said. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] So does this [disfmarker] I think lik oh and information was a bit low I think, sometimes, [speaker002:] And it [disfmarker] not a lot uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] in in in in the beginning I didn't understand what what to do. [speaker002:] No, the first one. [speaker003:] No, w I didn't know [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah, [speaker002:] I didn't know uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] like I [disfmarker] with with the remote [gap] and I never new we have t we had to uh [disfmarker] yeah made a made a rec a remote control. [speaker003:] Make a r yeah. [speaker002:] nee. And I didn't know what to do for the first ten minutes before we got here, [speaker004:] Yeah, so [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] so I went, right. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] No stepping on the table and then looking at the internet page. [speaker002:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] And I was working and working and work [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Just looking at the screen and uh [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] No. [speaker001:] Okay, well um [speaker004:] So, yeah. [speaker001:] [disfmarker] but after all we can say uh we are satisfied, but it it could've been uh better. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] When we get uh [disfmarker] when we have [disfmarker] we would have gotten uh more information. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Yeah, [speaker003:] Yeah, more information about the costs. [speaker004:] Faster. [speaker002:] an [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah, that will be handy. [speaker003:] First of all I didn't think uh that we were able to make an LCD screen uh [disfmarker] first point, but uh it was possible [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker003:] uh [disfmarker] uh, yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah, it only costs four units. Uh [vocalsound] yeah. [speaker002:] Yea uh so [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] tha actually you could make an LCD screen but no mic, or it could make mic but no LCD screen, when you look at that. [speaker001:] Yeah, that was a bit mean to put it in the end. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] And uh what were the other points to to improve this whole process? [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Uh, I dunno. [speaker004:] Um [disfmarker] Yeah. [speaker002:] Think that's about it. [speaker004:] Nothing. [speaker002:] Hmm. [speaker004:] I think we got it already. [speaker002:] Heavier um [disfmarker] less heavy laptops. [speaker001:] Yeah, [speaker004:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Uh. Faster laptop. [speaker001:] they're pretty heavy. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker003:] Uh. They were they were just fine. [speaker002:] But that's not really uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] And furthermore the the the network was okay. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Everything you loaded was also [speaker003:] Uh. [speaker002:] Yeah, everything worked. [speaker004:] av available there. [speaker003:] Right. [speaker001:] And so more time uh w might have improved the the quality of work, [speaker004:] So [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] is what you say. [speaker004:] Yeah. Yeah, but that [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] It's now half past four [disfmarker] half past three, so [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah, but it's just the the off hours between that you will work alone. [speaker004:] Yeah, okay. Yeah, okay. [speaker002:] Then it pops up [disfmarker] pop up screen came. [speaker004:] Mm-hm. Mm. [speaker002:] Five minutes in the meeting. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker002:] No. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Okay, so more time during the individual work phases. [speaker002:] Huh. [speaker001:] Um okay well uh I just got my warning for the last five minutes, [speaker002:] You did? [speaker001:] so I'll move on to I guess my last slide, [speaker002:] Well [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] yes, which is the closing. Well uh, we managed, but we did it very quickly. I don't know if that's the best way to [disfmarker] when it isn't [disfmarker] is it [disfmarker] when it is too expensive to quickly re-arrange it and say, okay, this is it, [speaker002:] Oh, right. [speaker001:] but we had to do it, [speaker002:] Well [disfmarker] [speaker001:] huh, because we have to have a design, and that is within the budget. And we evaluated. Maybe we should re-evaluate uh the product, but we did that before, and we also evaluated the project. And I think uh everybody's uh very happy. At least I am, with the results, [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] so uh [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker001:] celebration, well, for the three of you, [speaker002:] Champagne. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] because uh I have to write the final report now. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker001:] But uh [vocalsound] well, thank you very much for your co-operation, [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] and I had a very nice day so far. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah, sure. [speaker004:] No prob. [speaker003:] Oh thank you. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] Do we get another email? [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Bling. [vocalsound] You're fired. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Um [disfmarker] [speaker004:] I think you do. [speaker002:] I I think we have to fill in a questionnaire again, but [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah I have t I think we also have to go to our own rooms again, but um [disfmarker] well [speaker002:] We do? [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker001:] I at least. But maybe you can try uh to make a screen shot of this, so I can try to include it in the final report. [speaker002:] Yeah. Uh th that that one? [speaker003:] You cannot [disfmarker] you can save it. [speaker001:] Yeah, maybe. [speaker002:] You can just [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [gap] wants to, but at least this one. [speaker002:] Yeah, but it's [disfmarker] it isn't a picture or, well, is it? [speaker001:] I know, we should remove this, [speaker003:] You s uh file save as the J PEG J PEG. [speaker001:] but it won't h Okay. And uh please put it in the project folder then, huh. [speaker004:] Can you find it as a J PEG? [speaker003:] No. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] No, isn't possible. But you can make a screen shot, I think. [gap] [speaker001:] Okay, well I uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] No. [speaker002:] [gap] [speaker003:] No. [speaker001:] I hereby officially close the meeting [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker001:] and uh I hope to see you uh soon. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] In uh [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] In about five minutes. [speaker002:] Uh oh, [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Well, [speaker002:] export. [speaker001:] I think we'll be a bit a bit longer, [speaker003:] Ah. [speaker001:] but [disfmarker] okay. Well, [speaker002:] [gap] [speaker001:] happy celebration, huh? [speaker003:] Oh thank you. [speaker002:] Images. [speaker003:] Whoo-hoo. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Celebra [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Let's let's have party. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Or shouldn't I? [speaker002:] How big do you want the images? [speaker003:] Let's have some fun. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] How big? Uh [speaker003:] Huh? [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] [gap] [speaker001:] not too big. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] This one? [speaker004:] Six hundred. No, [speaker001:] Whatever you think is good. [speaker004:] I [disfmarker] yeah. [speaker003:] No that uh is one thousand twenty four. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] I think eight hundred six hundred is better. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] This one? [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] If it browse. [speaker004:] Nah, name. [gap] [speaker002:] Um [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Desktop. [speaker004:] [gap] [speaker002:] Well it isn't on the desktop. [speaker004:] Hey. [speaker003:] Mm? [speaker004:] [gap] [speaker003:] I do not know. [speaker002:] You can only save it in my documents. [speaker004:] [gap] [speaker003:] Oh? [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Oh my God. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Oh. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Oh, alright. Yeah. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yeah. Three. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Ten. [speaker002:] Can we stay here? [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Ten. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Uh. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker002:] Yeah, alright. Why can't we stay here? [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [gap] [speaker003:] Alright. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Celebration time, come on. [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Oh. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] Oh. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Peace out nigger. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Entree [speaker002:] [gap] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound]

[speaker002:] Is that alright now? [vocalsound] Okay. Sorry? Okay, everybody all set to start the meeting? Okay, we've got half an hour for this one um to uh discuss the um functional design. [speaker004:] Could you plug me in? [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Okay. Thanks. [speaker002:] All ready to go? Okay. [speaker004:] Okay. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Um so hopefully you've all been working away, and I've put the minutes of the last meeting in the project folder. Um so I guess just to to recap on uh what we did last time. Um kind of uh got to know each other a little bit and uh got familiar with all the equipment and started to discuss um a bit about the project, you know, cost-wise how much how much money we had to s Um just want to tell you that you have three new requirements, which is the [disfmarker] The first one [vocalsound] is that um uh the company's decided that teletext is outdated uh because of how popular the internet is. Nobody uses teletext very much anymore, [speaker004:] 'Kay. [speaker002:] so we don't really need to consider that in the functionality of the [disfmarker] of the remote control. Um they've also suggested that we um we only use the remote control to control the television, not the VCR, DVD or anything else. I think the worry is that if the project becomes too complex then it'll affect um how long it takes us to get it into into production, the time to market. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker002:] So um, we're just gonna keep it simple and it'll just control the TV. And the other thing was that the company want the corporate colour and slogan to be implemented in the new design. Um I'm not entirely sure what the corporate colour is. It might be yellow, because there seems to be a lot of yellow everywhere. [speaker004:] And the slogan, like the actual written slogan, or just to embody the idea of the slogan? [speaker002:] Well that's the thing, I'm I'm not sure um [vocalsound] uh th because on the the company website, uh what does it say [disfmarker] [speaker004:] 'Bout putting the fashion in electronics. [speaker002:] Uh something [disfmarker] Yeah, [speaker001:] Mm yeah. [speaker002:] I mean do they [disfmarker] [vocalsound] Is that something they want actually written on it, 'cause it's quite long. Um or yeah, just the idea, but I'm not sure. So that's something we can discuss as well. So those are the three things, just not to worry about teletext, uh only control the TV, and um and uh incorporate the uh colour and slogan of the company. Um so is everybody okay with any of that or do you want me to recap at all? [speaker001:] Nope, we're all set. [speaker002:] Right um, time for presentations then. Who would like to go first? [speaker003:] [vocalsound] I'll go first. [speaker004:] Sure. [speaker002:] Okay, cool. [speaker003:] Alright um, can I st steal this from the back of your laptop? Uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Oh yeah, of course, yeah. G go on ahead. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [gap] so this is the technical functions design. Um [vocalsound] [disfmarker] Right [gap] to do the um [vocalsound] the design I have I've had a look online, I've had a look at the homepage, which has given us um some insp inspiration from previous products. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] Um I've had a look at the previous products to see what they offer and um I would like to ask you guys for um [vocalsound] your ideas about the design at the end of the meeting. Um unfortunately we're not allowed to talk outside the meeting room, so [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker004:] Right. [speaker003:] Um, having a look at the existing products, I found out that um it tends to come in sort of two extremes, there's either um a very complicated one that's got lots of buttons, lots of colours, very confusing, you don't know what you're doing. [vocalsound] Um in that case the the labelling tends to be very bad. Um there's an example I'll show you at the end, um [gap] sh show you now. Uh [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [gap] here um the button there and there. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Alright [gap]. [speaker003:] This one's prog. Sorry. That one's perg and that one's prog, and it doesn't really tell you what it does. Um, not sure if you had a a look at the other um control in that example. Um it's a very simple one. It's got only the basic functions mm but um [vocalsound] it's the same size as the the hard to use one. [speaker002:] Oop. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Uh it looked a bit clunky. They're very big and not very much use for [gap] buttons. [vocalsound] Um, [vocalsound] and it's just very hard to access the advanced functions. There's there's nothing for instance for a slow motion button. Um, my own preferences, I prefer the the clunky one. Um it's very easy to use. Um but unfortunately it does lack the advanced functions which I I quite like having on the controls. [vocalsound] Um so I believe the the advanced functions should maybe be hidden in a drawer, or something like tha [gap] from the bottom of it. So, [vocalsound] now I'd like to ask for your preferences. Um not sure of how long we've got, uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Um. Well we can chat away for uh for five minutes or so I think at at most. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Just a couple of minutes anyway. [speaker004:] M yeah, like a lot of a lot of what I've um read and prepared for this meeting fits in really closely with what with what Craig's just gone over. So in part I could I could give you some of my personal preferences but I could also th add some to this which is just about sort of um sort of market research. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] But anyway, um we might come to that later. [speaker002:] Shall we sh well we'll stick to kind of your area for now. [speaker001:] Which which is the clunky one, the one on left or on the right?.. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Um, the clunky one is the one on the right. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Um clunky in what sense, like um h heavier? Larger? [speaker003:] Um I think it's supposed to be the same size, but um it's got much fewer buttons. It's, you know, it's very spread out [speaker004:] I see, so it's more just basic. [speaker002:] Looks kind of [disfmarker] Yeah. [speaker003:] and kind of [disfmarker] you know [speaker004:] Right, okay. [speaker003:] I get the idea it'd be sort of about this size. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [gap] got very few buttons on it and [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah. Sure. [speaker002:] Well I think it's a valid point. I mean like the one on the left looks quite um quite complicated, and that PRT p PROT thing is incredibly confusing. Um so I see I see why yo you know you might prefer the simpler design, but yeah you don't want to lose out on, you know, what it does, [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] so maybe you know you know you get a lot of remote controls where you kind of flip the thing open, [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] I think that's a good idea. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] I think it's a good idea. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] Um, [vocalsound] do we have any functions that um we'd want on it? I mean so far I've got um on and off, um switch the channel up and down, and put the volume up and down. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. Uh-huh. [speaker003:] Um they're just the the very basics you could use for a TV. [speaker002:] Uh-huh, and then actual numbers for channels as well, yeah. [speaker003:] Okay. Um, you say that's a h a required one or a requested one? [speaker004:] Which was that? [speaker003:] Would you like um the channels like the the numbers on thing, um [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Up [disfmarker] the numbers, or the up down? [speaker002:] God, I wou I would say that's required, [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] I mean there's no way anybody's gonna buy a remote control these days when if you can't actually individually select channels, [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] I mean would anybody disagree with that? [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Um, what else, uh [disfmarker] [vocalsound] So don't need to worry about teletext, [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] don't need to worry about VCR, uh any kind of like display controls at all do you think we need to worry about, [speaker004:] We don't? No? [speaker002:] you know like brightness and contrast? [speaker004:] Yeah. Well I think I think es essentially what we're doing right now is we're categorising. We're saying well we want this to be a product that offers all the sort of more tricky features but we want them to be in another area? [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker004:] Is that right? Is that what we're we're doing? [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Um, yeah. [speaker004:] We're kind of like sorting them an Or are we actually eliminating things we just don't want the product to have? [speaker003:] Um [disfmarker] [speaker002:] I think [disfmarker] are you are you maybe kind of thinking what we absolutely have to have and what would be nice? [speaker003:] Uh, to start with um sort of a bit both, um we need to find out exactly what we have to have [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] um and after that we can add things if they're possible. [speaker002:] Okay, right. Well, do you wanna maybe just, at this point decide on what we absolutely must have as a p as a function of this. [speaker004:] Yeah. Yep. [speaker002:] Um, so so far, just to recap you've got volume and channel control and [disfmarker] [speaker003:] There's um on and off, um volume and channel, and skip to certain channels with the numbers. [speaker002:] Right okay. Um [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Well, one one way I would look at this um would be that we a approach the different controls in terms of um like control types, so that for the user it's very clear what they want to do where they go. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm yeah. [speaker004:] Uh and also think maybe a little bit about sorta w w what would just wanna be acc easily accessible. For example if we had audio controls, those could be something people set up very rarely. [speaker002:] Oka [speaker004:] Maybe they're un they're they're they're in a little area but covered up um, [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] things like channel and volume um are used all the time, so we just have them right out on top, um very just very sort of self-explanatory. Um so maybe we need to think about having three or more groupings of controls, you know like one which are just the the habitual ones that should be right within your natural grip. And others that are uh also available [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] and then others that are concealed. Something like that. [speaker002:] Okay. Uh well, just to to wrap up quickly on this this little section [disfmarker] Have I just lost [disfmarker] Oh no. Um, uh do you think maybe that's the only kind of uh essential requirements, and then maybe just things that would be nice if it could do would be things like audio set up and display set up and things like that, maybe like a mute button, that sort of thing. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Any of [disfmarker] you anything to add to that at all? [speaker001:] No. [speaker002:] No. [speaker001:] I'll add it later, I guess [gap] the presentation. [speaker002:] Okay, right. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. Yeah. [speaker002:] Um okay, [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] if we can move on to next presentation then please. Um [speaker004:] Sure. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Do you want to switch places? [speaker002:] Do you wanna [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Can this can this pl reach? Can this plug come across? [speaker001:] No. No. [speaker002:] Probably not, actually. [speaker004:] No. [speaker002:] [gap] [speaker004:] So why don't I just pick up and move then. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Here, I'll just [vocalsound] Why don't I just [disfmarker] [vocalsound] Mm er, can you go up behind me? [speaker003:] Just just switch them. [speaker004:] Kinda [disfmarker] This is so [disfmarker] This [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [gap] bit complicated. It'd be nice if everything was wireless, wouldn't it? [speaker004:] I'm all in a knot now. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker002:] Right. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Um. So I can I can say already, I dunno whether this is for good or for bad but there'll be a lot of kind of uh redundancy in the in the the issues and the the uh [vocalsound] the things. [speaker002:] Oh, like overlap between what you said? [speaker004:] Yeah, yeah. [speaker002:] Oh well, for all you know that [disfmarker] that'll happen. [speaker004:] Which is ma not necessarily a bad thing, but may what I've already started doing is cr I created a slide in in my presentation here so um so that we kind of think well what's the cumulative effect of what we've taken from your ideas and and mine, because certainly I I have a hard time separating separating things completely. Obviously obviously what you've just told me what you've just told me impacts a lot on what um like market research mm that that I've been [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Mm hard to know what [disfmarker] where your role ends, yeah. [speaker004:] So how do I how do I get this up? [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] Um function F eight. [speaker002:] Uh pr yeah, press function and F eight, yeah. [speaker004:] Okay. Okay. Alright. So [disfmarker] F eight? [speaker001:] Function, the blue button. Next to the control on the left. [speaker004:] Oh, and F eight. Okay. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] You have to push it together. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Yep. [speaker004:] Okay, I think that that's doing it now. [speaker001:] Nope. Try that again. [speaker004:] Uh, again? [speaker003:] Think maybe the the wire in the back might be loose. [speaker001:] Wait. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker002:] Yeah, you wanna [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Um, [speaker002:] Oh oh here we go. [speaker001:] Yep, there we go. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] okay great. [speaker002:] There you go. [speaker004:] Okay. Just um [disfmarker] Before I bring this up what I'll just say is um what I've what I've done is tried to collect some information so that I can then relay this to to you guys so that it's [disfmarker] now becomes a collective thing. And then kind of lead us in the direction of deciding, 'kay what what are our options, what should we decide and do you know what I mean, so. [speaker001:] [gap] Increase that 'cause we can't see the [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Um [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] That's much better. [speaker002:] Right. Can you um [disfmarker] [speaker001:] There you go. [speaker002:] Right, okay. [speaker004:] Okay. Alright. That would be [disfmarker] Okay. So um does that make sense? So what I basically got is I just looked into some information and sort of th tried to think about how how we could review it and how we could [disfmarker] and what kind of decisions we could take away from it and then maybe by the end of just looking at some of these things we can think about what are our priorities. 'Cause certainly there's lots of different information to go through. So um I'm thinking here about uh primarily about customer needs, that we start with the customer, and w you know, what they want and what are issues with with um existing products. Uh to think about trends and also about [disfmarker] try and connect that as you see with the company vision which is about fashion in electronics. Um and then, as I say uh w we'd like to prioritise our design features from this and um [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Bouncing on top. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Dunno. Okay. Um. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] So this is what I've found here, um a lot of this is new to me, so we'll just read through together. Um, users dislike the look and feel of current remote controls. So they find them ugly. Most people find them ugly. Um [vocalsound] the vast majority would spend more money for it to look fancy as well, we'll see later, the vast majority would spend more money for um slightly more intuitive control, such as voice recognition. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] Okay I'm gonna [disfmarker] we'll look at that in a second. Um most people use only a f a very slim portion of all the controls. So I guess what we're looking at here is people want this h technology, they tend to use the most simple controls and overall they find remote controls to be something they don't [disfmarker] doesn't really appeal to them. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] So I think what we're doing is we're trying to take like [disfmarker] if for me this is sorta like three different different um inspirations, you know, one is that we want uh something that's high-tech but we want it to seem easy. And in spite of the primitive side of it and the very high-tech side, we want it to just be an appealing piece of equipment in people's hands. Um, [vocalsound] frustrations. They get lost a lot, s as it came up in our last meeting. Um, takes time to learn how to use them. This is uh why I mention when Craig was uh showing us some ideas that we actually try and group controls, so d it doesn't just look like a big panel, kinda like when you you look at, you know, a new computer keyboard, or something that is quite explanatory. If you want audio, if you want visual, then you have those. Um and I will admit I don't know what RSI stands for. [speaker002:] Repetitive strain injury. [speaker001:] Is installing a new remote control something that people [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Uh, no, that did not come up at all. Um so here here is another um sort of a a review here of the main things. I also found that most people would uh adults at least would pay more for voice recognition. Now apparently we do have access to all the tech cutting edge technology in remote control. So I dunno if that's possible we might consider getting into it. Um. [vocalsound] And and again here as we sort of move m sort of thin start thinking about how we wanna sell and market this, I think a recurring theme here is the company wants it to be [disfmarker] wants us to make something that's fashionable and sleek and trendy. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] Um people [vocalsound] uh additionally aren't aren't liking the appearance of their products, so we wanna think about as we take all the sort of the techie features how we can um put that into a unit which is which people like. You know, they like the aesthetics and the ergonomics. [speaker002:] Okay. So want something that looks good and is easy to use, [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] big priorities. [speaker004:] Yeah, [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker004:] so you know just c looking at what what Craig um Craig's i uh ideas are s sorta tell me that maybe what we wanna do is try and um separate the different things that we wanna include in this. So if we do say well we want there to be all the technology will we try and make that almost be like optional technology. You know, it's like like I find a lot of TVs these days, something really like about 'em is if you wanna just turn 'em on and off you can, but they have little panels where you click and there's just like tons of features you go through. [speaker002:] Mm. So it [disfmarker] you wanna group all the different kind of types of functions together, you know. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker002:] That's [disfmarker] I think it's a good idea. [speaker004:] Yeah. That's s that's sort of the um [disfmarker] But I [disfmarker] I'm [disfmarker] my hope here is that I'm putting out this information so that we can then say okay, well how do we collectively move on with it. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] Um I I haven't brought out one specific marketing idea, [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker004:] although my sense is that what we should try and think about is what are the current trends in materials and shapes and styles, and then use that. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] But not let that confine us technologically. [speaker002:] Okay. Right. [speaker004:] So Alright? Any um comments on all of that? [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Well, um one of the things that we have to decide on by the end of the meeting is who we're gonna be um [disfmarker] who's our our target audience, our target market. [speaker004:] That's uh [disfmarker] Yeah. [speaker002:] Um, so if we want something that that looks good and is easy to use, but has y is fairly powerful product, whatever, who do we really want to aim that at? [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker002:] I mean [vocalsound] [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Where's the money, maybe. [speaker002:] Yeah, who wou who would have the money to spend. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Well i if if like twenty five Euro is our is our selling price then you can imagine, [speaker004:] And who watches TV. Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] well I don't [disfmarker] I'm not really sure how much that will retail at. [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker002:] But you want [disfmarker] it's somebody who's not gonna just use the remote that comes with their telly, I suppose, [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] they're gonna actually go out and buy one. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] So, who do you think we're aiming this at? [speaker001:] Um, I think it'll be the mid range to the high end market, in terms of people. 'Cause twenty five Euros for a remote, how much is that lo locally in pounds? [speaker002:] [vocalsound] It's about sixteen, seventeen pounds, I think. [speaker001:] Is that too [disfmarker] is that a lot of money to buy an extra remote or a replacement remote? [speaker002:] Yeah, [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] okay. [speaker001:] Right. Um so maybe not the high end range, but maybe middle, middle up-ish. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] Kind of. You know how much? I dunno I guess you pay, what, ten ten quid for a remote? [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] Like a simple replacement, right. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] I mean if you lost your remote and the first thing you just wanna go out and get, [speaker002:] Yeah, [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] yeah. [speaker004:] This this kinda touches on your comments there, David. [speaker001:] would you [disfmarker] how much would you pay? [speaker004:] These are the age groups which we have information on [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] and these are [disfmarker] this is a table of h what people would pay more for a certain feature. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Just gives us a rough idea of where the w the will to spend money on TV equipment is. [speaker002:] Okay Okay. [speaker004:] Mostly focused around the twenty five age group. [speaker002:] Yeah, so do you think we're we're aiming at a fairly young market then? [speaker001:] Yep. [speaker004:] Sort of young professional, kind of. Mm-hmm [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah, okay. [speaker003:] Um [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Um do you think then uh voice recognition is something we should really seriously consider? What what do you think, Craig? [speaker003:] Well, did you not say it was the the adults that were going for the the voice recognition? Sort of the the older group. [speaker004:] Uh, yeah, it's the [disfmarker] Yep. [speaker003:] Uh f [speaker004:] It does it does fit with the market that we're sort of identifying, [speaker002:] N yeah. [speaker004:] in terms of [disfmarker] [speaker002:] I think we are gonna have to narrow it down, to say let's target these people and give them what they want [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker002:] and 'cause you know, there needs to be some kind of selling point to it. [speaker004:] Yeah. Sure. Sure. Yeah. [speaker002:] So um anybody [disfmarker] anything there to add [disfmarker] Just kind of young professionals, uh th like [vocalsound] if we are going to include speech recognition, it's kind of between fifteen and thirty five seems to be like a really high response to that. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] So we could say that was our target. [speaker001:] I I think twenty five to thirty five is is is fair to add that in as a group as well [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. Yeah. [speaker001:] because that's more than half your group of people who are willing to at least try and use your technology. [speaker004:] Yeah, yeah. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. Okay, so fifteen to thirty five, look fairly young. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] You know, they have bit of expendable income to spend on this sort of thing. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] I think perhaps that age group is significant as well because those are people who use the computer, [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] who are familiar with their [disfmarker] with computers in in their everyday work. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] I think people who are maybe about [disfmarker] I wouldn't say thirty five, [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] but people who are about forty-ish and above now would not be so dependent and reliant on a computer or a mobile phone or something like that. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. But [disfmarker] yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah, sure. [speaker002:] So [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] So these are people who are gadgety, right? People who are u growing up used to, you know in schools and in universities, [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] when you go on to their working lives, [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] people who would you know regular [speaker002:] So they'll not sh not shy away from something quite high-tech. [speaker001:] Yeah. Yeah. Mm. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] That that's that's a good point. Um okay, so um [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] so shall we make the decision uh to include speech recognition [speaker004:] If we can. [speaker002:] if we can. [speaker001:] I I think one thing we should try not to avoid is not to say we have to use speech recognition right now, [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] because um, based on what you've go y everybody's saying, right, you want something simple. [speaker002:] Why is that? [speaker001:] You want basic stuff and you want something that's easy to use. Speech recognition might not be the simplest thing for somebody to use. [speaker004:] Right. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker004:] Could it be an on off thing? [speaker001:] Um, [speaker004:] Like if you want it on [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Where you can activate it and deactivate it? [speaker001:] but what I'm saying is that we're we're trying to lock ourselves into a s particular kind of technology, [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] rather than focusing on on exactly what are the features that we're gonna say, and then, you know, say speech recognition is good for this, speech recognition is not good for this. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker004:] Sure. Sure. [speaker001:] So maybe we should [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] I suggest that we think about speech recognition, [speaker004:] Yeah. Sure. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] anyway it's a [disfmarker] it's something that can be used to fulfil a function, but at end of the day we don't look at the technology, but we look at the function first. [speaker002:] Uh-huh. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker004:] Sure. Yep. [speaker002:] Uh okay, well do you wanna um give us your presentation [speaker001:] Okay, sure. [speaker002:] and then then we can [disfmarker] I don't know [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yep. [speaker002:] um might have been a good idea to all deliver our presentations and then discuss, [speaker004:] Yeah, it's good [disfmarker] [speaker002:] but this is this is how we're [disfmarker] [speaker004:] well it's good to get ideas out while they're fresh in mind. [speaker002:] Yeah, exactly, yeah. [speaker004:] Um [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Oh it's something that's just occurred to me as well is if we make it um speech reco if we incorporate speech recognition, that's appealing to people um maybe with a physical disability as well. [speaker004:] Not [disfmarker] Yeah. [speaker002:] Um. [speaker004:] And not losing. And also it helps in terms of people not losing this, you know they [disfmarker] they're saying oh it's [disfmarker] I lose it in the couch. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker004:] [gap] like we're kind of what we're b sort of getting in into here is mating different uh design features together [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] that they [disfmarker] [speaker003:] I reckon one problem with speech recognition is um I've actually seen one of them used and uh the technology that was in that one wasn't particularly amazing, so you end up yelling at the control for hours. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Really? [speaker004:] Right. [speaker003:] Channel up. [speaker004:] Oh really, you've seen one before. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Do you think maybe we need like further advances in that kind of area until it's worthwhile incorporating it though? [speaker003:] Um [disfmarker] [vocalsound] I think it'd probably quite expensive to put in. [speaker001:] Sorry, do you mind passing me my notepad. [speaker002:] Mm. Course not. [speaker001:] Thanks. Cool, [speaker002:] There you go. [speaker001:] um. Okay. Um. [speaker002:] Right. [speaker001:] Well this is just the working design um. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Well this is just what [disfmarker] how I would go about it. Um I guess I try to define like what we're doing now, try to define what we're trying to get done. Um I think in a practical way, we kind of know what it is. [speaker004:] Right. [speaker001:] We've used it, we're familiar with it, but we're [disfmarker] we can't n we haven't narrowed down um exactly what the things we're trying to fulfil, like [disfmarker] Besides the basics, I think back [disfmarker] in the back of our minds we know what the basics are. Has to change channels, has to change volume, but in like specifics, right, which one of the basics are you trying to target. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Um are there certain parts of the basics that are more important or less important than the basics? Um and I just [disfmarker] the idea is just to get everybody to um [disfmarker] I usually [vocalsound] have a have have a design that's there as a basic, so, you know, things that [disfmarker] to start everything going. But I guess everybody does have some idea, so I don't think um there's a need for that. Um okay this finding things is a little bit confusing, so I'll go into the diagram first. It just explains how the process goes through, [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] from a [disfmarker] from the basic technology point of view, the basic steps that you need um in the diagram and in this slide probably works better. Um okay, you need some power source. 'Kay, a battery or something, to keep it going. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Um and that power source is important because it ties you down to um how long the device will last. [speaker002:] Uh-huh. [speaker001:] Um it ties you down perhaps a bit later on in terms of the technologies um how far you can transmit the signal or the complexity of the functions that you want. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Like for example, voice recognition, right. That might be constrained because that [disfmarker] you might need to power a microphone, you might need to power other things, so that's one perhaps constraint there. Um [vocalsound] Th Okay, the basic thing is there's a user interface where people punch a button or talk into it or smile to it or blink their eyes, whatever. [speaker002:] Hmm. [speaker001:] You know, and that um picks up an input from a user, um uh a logic [disfmarker] a series of logic has to decide what the user is telling the device, and the device has to r you know, based on you push button A, so I will do something with button A. So maybe button A is the power button, okay. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Um and then it needs to be able to send the signal out to the device itself which is the receiver here. Um and I think that's about it in terms of my design um. It's fairly general, um and I guess the purpose of this is also not to restrict you in in the way you're thinking, [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] like um voice recognition, right, um, if it's something which is important then we just add more power rather than having a thing that we don't have enough power. So it's not really a constraint in that sense, [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] but I mean these are functionally, you know, the base, [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] what the technology has to do. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Um so I guess the rest of it [disfmarker] I think we should maybe you you wanna go back to what the functions are? I think that's more relevant to a discussion? [speaker004:] 'Kay. [speaker002:] Uh. Well, do you wan do you wanna finish up your your whole presentation then? [speaker004:] Sure. Sure. [speaker001:] Yeah, w I'm done. [speaker002:] Are you are you all done? [speaker001:] More or less. Yeah. Ps Oh, it's just putting the rest of it into words, but it's essentially the same thing. [speaker004:] Yep. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] Um you have a transmitter, an input device, logic chip, [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] you know, stuff like that. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker004:] Right. [speaker001:] Um [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Right. [speaker004:] And like on the [disfmarker] means [disfmarker] b [speaker001:] I guess this would be [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Since we're on the topic of the technology, uh are there any like [disfmarker] what are our options? [speaker001:] Yep. [speaker004:] Alright, what's what i in [disfmarker] Is this the only way that we go about it, or are there other thin [speaker001:] Um, these these aren't technology options in that sense. [speaker004:] Right. [speaker001:] This is just um [speaker004:] The basic principle of [disfmarker] [speaker001:] a basic principles and basic components that are needed. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker004:] 'Kay. Right. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] For example, if you needed um if you needed to add uh a voice recognition, right, then your user interface would be split, broken down into more components, right, [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] which you have a microphone, the VR and stuff like that. [speaker002:] Oh. So this just show how we're kind of modularising the whole thing. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker001:] Uh Yep. Yep. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] So each component represents one function, [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] but I think the basic functions are the logic, the transmitter, um and the receiver, okay, [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] and the power are things that you won't have to care about. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Um and those are things that based on what your user interface requires then we'll add more functionality to it. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. Okay. [speaker001:] Um there might be one other consideration which would be that the the transmission between the remote control and the TV for example. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker001:] Okay, um are we gonna restrict ourselves to using the traditional technologies of infra-red thing? [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] Because that's something you need to actually be physically be pointing to. Right. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker004:] Right. [speaker002:] Well well a worry that was was expressed in the new requirements was that if we made this too complex it would e it would effect um how long how long it took us to get this to market, so I th suspect it might be a good idea just to restrict our kind of our creative influence on this on the user interface and not worry so much about uh how we transmit it [speaker001:] Yep. [speaker002:] um because I mean it it's tried and tested intra-red, so we could stay with tha [speaker001:] There might be one other problem with the transmission, um in particular right now, since we're talking about voice recognition. Um if somebody's gonna h talk to the device, you ideally want them to hold it to them. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm [vocalsound] Oh, yeah. [speaker001:] I it [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Right. [speaker001:] you may not require that, but you know, um it's it's [speaker004:] Right. [speaker001:] it's something very natural, I guess, you know, to hold it, to signal to the user, [speaker002:] Yeah, mm-hmm. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] and push a button maybe to start s talking about it. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] Then you need to send the signal out, so because if you're using infra-red, the line of sight um say the TV's at that chair, and I'm standing in front of here and the transmitter is here, it blocks it. [speaker002:] Mm. Mm. Yeah. Okay. [speaker001:] So in that sense, there's not really a restriction but it's something which you may have to think about later on in the process. [speaker004:] Right. Okay. [speaker001:] Not so much further down. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker004:] And um just a clarification before we finish this. Uh does c is our controller is it have the option of being um on a standard uh frequency as all of the other equipment, so that the one controller can control several pieces of equipment? [speaker001:] There's there's not much specific specific information, [speaker002:] W [speaker001:] but I think that um one indication of infra-red mean that you're just targeting traditional devices. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker001:] Because infra-red is something which everybody has. [speaker002:] W Well well we've um [disfmarker] In the new requirement spec they said just to focus on the TV, [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Just to TV, okay. [speaker002:] so that's what we should do for now I think. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker002:] Something I was wondering about was the power. Um, is it worth considering like having like a charging unit as opposed to just regular batteries? I mean is that something we really want to go into, do you think, or should we just consider running on regular batteries? [speaker001:] There's a there's [disfmarker] Okay, from from a from a component point of view there's added complexity, [speaker002:] Uh-huh. [speaker001:] and you add cost to it, [speaker002:] Uh-huh. [speaker001:] um and then there's probably the fact that you need another physical component. You need a docking cradle, for example, for you to put it in to charge. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] Or you need to get the user to plug it in. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Um and most users are very f use already used to the idea of buying batteries and putting it into the controller. [speaker002:] Okay, so [disfmarker] Yeah. [speaker001:] But unless the controller's gonna consume a lot of batteries, like he's gonna run through like twenty batteries a month, [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] then I don't think rechargeable is something we should [disfmarker] you know, we really need to care about. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Okay, so just stick to to regular [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Um. [speaker002:] Okay. Um, right. So basically the um [disfmarker] I'm just gonna just recap uh what I said at the start, was that um the the whole point of this meeting was to f absolutely finalise who we're gonna aim this at, [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] and what exactly the product's gonna do. [speaker004:] Okay. Okay. [speaker002:] So um just to recap on [disfmarker] Are we all happy about the idea of um aiming the product at um the fifteen to thirty five bracket? [speaker004:] Yeah, that's good. [speaker002:] Um and also the funct the the actual functions of what it's gonna do. Do you wanna recap on that, Craig? [speaker003:] Um. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] I think we just say that it was gonna be the the most basic stuff possible. Um on off, up and down channels, up and down volume and uh skip to a channel. [speaker002:] Okay, right. [speaker003:] Ta. [speaker004:] And is it going to include any of the uh the more advanced features, or are we gonna eliminate those? [speaker003:] Um I think we include mute, but apart from that um I think we just [disfmarker] we'll go for the simpleness. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] Okay, I think [speaker004:] R is it is it is it s is it not an option still that we include some things just as a sort of under [disfmarker] like sort of under a door or some [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah, it's as optional functions. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] 'Cause what what I'm [disfmarker] I'd be a bit worried about is if someone was h had previously developed habits of expecting to control surround sound or this and that with their controller and then and then they, you know, w they get ours and w it's doesn't have that. I dunno if that'd be a problem. [speaker002:] Okay. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Another thing that you were saying about categorising the controls? [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Um maybe I could suggest we we break them down into three simple categories. [speaker004:] Yeah. Okay. [speaker001:] One would be audio controls, [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] one would be video controls, [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker001:] and the other one would be a device. Um this may not map very well to advanced functionality especially, but I think that um from a manufacturer's point of view, from a person designing the device, [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] but I think from a point of view of a person using the device, you know a TV is something they see and something they hear, [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] um it's something they do other things to like turn it on and turn it off. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] I mean like so what we could have is like three buckets, right, where we could throw things into, [speaker004:] Right. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] like if we want this feature, let's throw it into there, [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] and then from there decide whether it's basic, or it's non-basic. [speaker004:] 'Kay, okay. Like that. [speaker001:] I mean it might help with the visualisation. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker001:] And it would actually help with the component build as well. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Okay, right. [speaker004:] Mm okay, great. [speaker002:] Um, okay well I gotta kind of [disfmarker] got five minutes to wrap up now. Um next thing we're doing is having lunch. Whoohoo. Um and then we're gonna have thirty minutes of working on the next stage. Um so I'll be putting the minutes of this uh this meeting into the project documents folder. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Um so uh I guess just to just to confirm that we know what we're doing in the next [disfmarker] well in the thirty minutes after lunch anyway, [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] um for uh our Industrial Designer, you're gonna be thinking about the components concept. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Um User Interface Designer gonna be thinking about our user interface, and marketing you're gonna be thinking about trend watching. Um and you'll all get specific instructions as well. So um I dunno, just just to to ask now if you've got anything else you've thought about while we've been talking. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Um, do you wanna start with David. Anything else to say at all? [speaker001:] Mm no, not really. [speaker002:] No, okay. [speaker004:] Um yeah, [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Andrew? [speaker004:] just [disfmarker] I just wanted to ask then before we wrap up, shall we agree for sake of um sort of clarity and when we when we r resume that we'll u use this idea David's proposed, where we think of these three sort of buckets and anything anything we discuss about them is sort of, okay, we're talking about this. [speaker002:] Yeah, yeah I think that's definitely a good idea. Uh-huh. [speaker004:] Shall we do that, then? [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Okay, great. [speaker003:] Um just about the three buckets, um what would go in the the device functions one? [speaker001:] Um things like on off. Because they don't have anything to do with what you see. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] I me mean in terms of picture and the entertainment value, you know, um so um [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker004:] And and channel. [speaker003:] Um [disfmarker] [speaker001:] And channel. [speaker004:] Right. [speaker001:] Because the on off also goes, you know, like on off like power, not on off sound. Not on off video. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Although you don't turn off the video on your TV, but um you might wanna you know turn off the sound, [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] say you wanna pick up the phone, there's a mute button, right, so you you have you have a choice of putting it on to um others or a device. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] Device is basically anything which we can't categorise, right. [speaker002:] Okay, [speaker001:] We put it out. [speaker002:] so you're gonna have um audio which is gonna be like you know your bass settings and actual volume [disfmarker] hi [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Yeah, anything to do with what you hear, right. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] You you put that into audio. [speaker002:] Okay, [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] And then video is anything that you can see. [speaker002:] and then visual [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Okay, so brightness, contrast, things like that, [speaker001:] Um. Yep. [speaker004:] Colour, yeah. [speaker002:] and then just actual device things, [speaker001:] Yep. [speaker002:] like what channel you're watching, turning on an off, [speaker004:] Sure. Sure. [speaker001:] Yep. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker002:] stuff like that. Okay, um [disfmarker] [speaker004:] And then k I suppose quite likely what would happen is in the d device category there might be some which are just like the habitual standard and then others which are maybe a bit more [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Like random which we have no other place to put, but we need it somewhere there. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] Yeah. Sure, okay. Okay. [speaker002:] Yeah. Okay. [speaker001:] Um even even if it doesn't map very clearly what happens is that people at least have some in their mind. It's easy to use, I think that's one thing that um [disfmarker] and I guess from the component point of view it's easy to build as well [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] 'cause things are like fixed. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Okay. Um so yeah, I guess just things to think about are you know like the fact it's gotta look good, [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] because of who we're we're, you know, targeting this at. Um something maybe kind of quirky in design maybe. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Make it kind of ergonomic kind of to hold, [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] you know, things like that. Um, [vocalsound] so I guess I guess that's it. [speaker004:] Great. [speaker002:] That's the meeting over. Whoohoo. [speaker004:] Then we get to go find out what was picked up for lunch for us. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound]

[speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Um almost, there's one more thing I have to get out of the [disfmarker] I have to make sure that this attachment will open. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] I keep forgetting whether I've done this. [gap]. [speaker001:] Ah-ha. Okay. We'll open that when the time is right. In the meantime [disfmarker] Closing things down, okay. Let's see what this thing does. Does it come up together or disappear one of them or what? Ah, we came up together, we're good. Okay. Are we ready to start? Okay. It's now quarter of four. This is a f another forty minute one so it will end at four twenty five. Okay. Right. Our agenda is, as before, for me to open the meeting, for us to go over the previous minutes, then for the two of you to present your prototype and for you to g um Sarah present the evaluation criteria. We then have a finance aspect, which is a spreadsheet, an Excel spreadsheet. And I know what you're all thinking of, oh my, um because we're only given a forty minute time period to get it all in, including the production evaluation. So we're going to make a very fast track. Okay. Um and as you can see that's what we do next on this thing. So the first thing I have to do is close this so that I can get to [disfmarker] Where is it? [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Red. [speaker001:] I need to open mine. Not the agenda. [speaker004:] Agenda three. [speaker001:] No that th I want the minutes from the previous [disfmarker] minutes. [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker001:] That should be there, minutes. Yeah. Okay. Uh from meeting three, is it alright with you if I don't switch it to show, just use it as is? 'Cause this way I can more easily flip it. Okay, um obviously all of us were here for the last meeting, we reviewed the previous minutes before that, um each of you made your presentations. [vocalsound] Um we discussed the various possibilities based on what was presented in those presentations. The market trend of fruit and veg, mm spongy, uh fancy and elegant more than technologically innovative and that more than easy. Um we decided chip on print would be used. Um we would use plastic with a rubber casing, I think was the consensus, powered by kinetic energy. There was no decision made on the curvatures or double curvature or straight. Um perhaps the prototype will give us an inkling of that. Um looking like a scroll, but it's really a push button technology, excuse my spelling um that was actually in use, that is uh behind the scenes is push button which we uh according to Kate have a very good uh grasp on doing that in production. Um we decided that separate fashionable covers covering your fruit and veg might be a separate product that could be suggested to management. Um and as suggested um yellow with black buttons with the company logo, a slogan and image might be a good idea based on the requirements that have been provided to us. Um we did have a few production issues and coordination of the various bits and we had some conflict of ideas and cost constraints and we ran out of time. Um we had to follow that up and prepare for the last one. And uh we closed as it ran out of time. Is that a fair presentation of what happened? [speaker003:] Yes. [speaker002:] Yep. [speaker001:] Okay, back to this meeting. Um we're down to the prototype presentation. [speaker002:] Ta-da. [speaker003:] Alright. [speaker001:] Over to you. [speaker002:] Right. [speaker003:] Well. [speaker001:] Ooh, two. [speaker003:] Yeah, well you see, each made one, we didn't have enough yellow dough. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Ah. [speaker003:] This is the one that I made. [speaker001:] Uh-huh. [speaker003:] It is uh curved, easy to hold, hand-held, nice and small with big easy buttons. This is like a scroll, but they are push buttons and they enter [disfmarker] takes you into the different menus. Of course we need someone who's experienced with the television [gap]. I mean this is the infrared thing that's gonna zap at the television. Uh I'm not quite sure how to make that, but I'm sure it will work. Uh this is on off switch, 'cause I think we do need that, and I think it gives it a nice balance. And it's gonna have the logo imprinted on it uh in there. [speaker001:] 'Kay. Okay. [speaker003:] Um as for what it's actually made of [disfmarker] well the function of these buttons is up, down, left and right [vocalsound] in the different menus. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] Uh position, I presume that just means right right on it, easy to see. The main feature of it is just a simple design, simple, lack of uh buttons all over the place. Right? [vocalsound] Form curved, kind of smooth, hand-held, makes it feel nice to hold. Uh material, I think Kate's gonna tackle that quite a bit, but I think we have two different options, because we did make a another one, which wa uh is in the shape of banana, it's just [disfmarker] if you can imagine this as yellow with black buttons, like just like this but in the shape of a banana, [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] which is also nice and easy to hold and feels good and has a similar sort of scroll push button technology, just a slightly different design. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Also with on off switch and infrared [disfmarker] [vocalsound] uh I had envisioned it in hard smooth plastic. So like uh [disfmarker] well, I dunno, what's it like? I guess like an existing remote control, but molded and smooth. Whereas otherwise we'd thought, like with this one [disfmarker] or mix and match, just we were gonna see what you thought, the [disfmarker] uh a more spongy rubber cover with spongy buttons. So we have the two options we can follow, either the smooth hard plastic or the spongy rubber, depending on cost restraints. And what we well, what conclusion we reach when we discuss it. [vocalsound] Uh material [disfmarker] yeah, that's what I have to say about material. Can I scroll down on there and see what else [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] Well colour, I think [disfmarker] I definitely have a preference towards bright yellow with black buttons, because that's the company colours, but if anybody's got any other suggestions, I'm quite willing to consider them as well. [vocalsound] So, it just depends what you think about these ideas and if I'm [disfmarker] yeah, maybe, Kate, you better say what you think about them. [speaker002:] Um well I don't have very much to add. Um the the case [disfmarker] oops, [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] that's the uh on off button just come off our prototype. The the case can be either um spongy rubber or hard plastic. We're not absolutely sure about a combination of the two, but it can be either of those. We have the technology to do that. Um and as for the the actual components um, uh Steph just said this is a [disfmarker] quite a cheap device to manufacture. We have simple rubber push buttons um which provide all the functionality we need. Um the um [vocalsound] the diode that actually does the um infrared is at the end, it's the stalk of the banana, or it's just the thing at the end of this version. Um so that's for material. Colour, well uh Steph's the expert on colour. Um we we don't have any particular restrictions on that. Yeah, I think that's all we've got to say really. [speaker003:] I thin as for as for the fruit or organic theme, I guess this one is obviously fruit shaped. This one has n [speaker002:] A banana. [speaker003:] banana, yeah. This one has no obvious connections to fruit, but because it's round and molded, it kinda makes you think sort of organic, touchy-feely, kiddie, it's more like [disfmarker] yeah, you'd expect it to be like a child's sorta toy remote control instead of a real one, which I quite like that sort of image. 'Cause it's very big and chunky and child-friendly and [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Would you care to examine the prototypes, see how they feel in the hand? [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Hold them, you see, you know. Curvature, is it to your liking? [speaker001:] Oh I see, the on-off's in the back. [speaker002:] Yes, that's so that your index finger automatically goes straight to it. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] If you don't wanna tire out your thumbs after all. [speaker001:] And then you can use your thumb. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] And it was partly we thought the design looked better, [speaker003:] Yeah. [gap] [speaker001:] I could see this thing, unless it's reinforced, having a problem with the [speaker003:] Breaking, [speaker001:] you know [disfmarker] [speaker003:] oh right. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] yeah. [speaker003:] Well you see, that's why hard plastic would be quite a good thing for it, because then it'd just be rigid. [speaker004:] I like the fact that on both of them the keys play such a prominent role. [speaker001:] Hmm. [speaker004:] It's really kind of a [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah, [gap] we really like we really like that design, I mean it looks just like a logo, that arrangement of the keys. Like a c like a compass point, you know, [speaker004:] Mm-hmm mm-hmm. [speaker003:] just up, down, left and right, and we think we could make that quite a good feature. And it's like the the iPod scroll wheel, [vocalsound] but better. [speaker004:] Yeah. But it's also like texting, you don't [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah. Yeah, yeah, [speaker002:] Hmm. [speaker003:] I mean it [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] that's what it makes me think of, mobile phones, I was try I was thinking, moving your thumb like this, what does that remind me of? [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] And it's a very simple design, [speaker003:] It's texting. [speaker002:] there's not a lot to wrong, the components are cheap to make. [speaker004:] It's also in terms of um being lost it's it's quite [disfmarker] it looks quite different. [speaker003:] Hmm. [speaker004:] You know, I I d I have several [disfmarker] four remotes, and they all look the same until you get up close and you have to [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] you know, this is really identifiable. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] I mean the thing is we do need to develop our technology of [disfmarker] [vocalsound] I mean actually how to program the menus [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] and what sort of, you know, text box is gonna appear at the bottom of the screen, [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] but we do definitely think that it's a viable option. [speaker001:] Okay. The next item is evaluation. [speaker004:] No, okay. [speaker001:] Uh if that's [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Um [disfmarker] [speaker001:] if you're finished. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Uh yeah, we're finished. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] shall I take your uh power? [speaker001:] Oh sorry. [speaker004:] Oh. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Try again. [speaker004:] Okay. This is going to be a heavily interactive evaluation, and the method here is to evaluate the new remote control in terms of the user requirements and the hot trends introduced by the marketing department. So, this means we're going to go over the priorities that were raised by uh the consumers a as well as incorporate all of our insight into this uh evaluation exercise. So I'm going to go and use the whiteboard, and I've made a list of criteria to look at, and so I'm gonna I'm gonna leave this up as the last thing, but for the evaluation it's going to be one is true and seven is false, going over these different criteria, so one true seven false and I'm gonna now use the um the board. Okay. So um fancy, technologically innovative, easy to use, trendy, buttons, excess buttons, good buttons, ugly, sellable, and other. And in fact I hope that uh you all introduce some additional terms, because these are things that um have been brought up, some of them seem rather close, like they overlap. [speaker003:] Yeah, what about price, is that gonna go on there as well? Price of materials. [speaker004:] Mm, yeah, price. [speaker001:] Hmm. [speaker004:] We'll put price up at the top. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Not that we actually know anything about it, [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] but we can we can pretend. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Well we will soon, unfortunately. [speaker004:] Um Okay, so [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Come on. [speaker004:] Did you say [gap]? [speaker001:] No, [gap]. [speaker004:] Uh okay, so wha how do we feel in terms of is this fancy? [speaker003:] It depends what what you mean by fancy really, 'cause when I think of fancy, I think of it's got lots of extra sort of fripperies and, you know, like baroque curliness and [disfmarker] which [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] I'd call these quite uh minimalist, [speaker002:] Yes, a plain, simple, clean design. [speaker003:] simple and plain, but I mean I do see what [disfmarker] [vocalsound] it is heavily reliant on appearance instead of pure functionality, [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] so in that respect it is quite fancy. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] I [disfmarker] yeah, so in that respect [disfmarker] I think we'll go with that respect. [speaker003:] I think just maybe we need a different word other than fancy, [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] I'd say maybe aesthetic. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Well we have got s trendy further down, [speaker001:] Elegant. [speaker002:] but [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Elegant. [speaker004:] Elegant. [speaker002:] Elegant, I don't know if I'd call them elegant. [speaker004:] Yeah, no these aren't the exact terms that the um [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [gap] like stylish or aesthetic. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Stylish, yeah. [speaker004:] Elegant. We're gon let's use elegant, although the the the people, the word on the street is is [vocalsound] [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Fancy. [speaker004:] Yeah. [vocalsound] N that [disfmarker] um [speaker003:] Did you just break the pen? [speaker004:] yeah [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] uh [disfmarker] the uh [disfmarker] is fancy. So let's let's take it to the next level. [speaker003:] Well d we'll just call it fancy then. [speaker004:] Well okay, so in terms of elegant, fancy. we'll call it EF um, do we do we think that perhaps [disfmarker] and maybe we should say the yellow? Should we go with the yellow in terms of [disfmarker] I think that's a really superior [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah, I think we n we need to [disfmarker] [speaker004:] they're both [disfmarker] [speaker003:] they're both yellow with black buttons, [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] it's just that we didn't have any more dough to represent uh that, but if you can just imagine banana shape with these bits as black. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] So what we re really need to decide is whether we want the actual banana shape or just a a purely blob or some sort of abstraction in between the two [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] that isn't [disfmarker] that is more curved, like a banana, but that isn't actually recognisable as a banana, you know, with the grooves and the stalk and stuff, [speaker004:] As a banana. I think that many of us are abstract enough to look at the yellow one and say we'll call it the banana. [speaker003:] so. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] And of the two I really like I m I like the banana, but I I do like the chunk. [speaker001:] The chunk. [speaker003:] So that's maybe not something we have to decide just right now, [speaker004:] No, [speaker003:] is it. [speaker004:] but I mean in terms [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Just somewhere a long the scale of in between these two. [speaker004:] we have to evaluate one of them. Unless [disfmarker] do you guys wanna evaluate both? [speaker001:] I think between the two, somewhere between the two is true. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah, I'd [disfmarker] [speaker001:] It's more true than false, about a two. [speaker004:] Okay. So we say true. [vocalsound] technologically innovative. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] I d I don't think that's what we're aiming at with this concept. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] I think we're using simple components that are gonna be robust but not particularly innovative. [speaker004:] So we'll say [disfmarker] we'll say uh false. Easy to use. [speaker002:] Very. [speaker003:] Yes. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] One, is that inappropriate? [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Okay. Oh, pardon me. Um [speaker001:] Trendy. [speaker004:] trendy, s [vocalsound] and I say specifically spongy fruity. [speaker003:] Oh yes. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] Well, maybe only a two or a three then, 'cause it's no we still haven't decided about specific sponginess or specific [disfmarker] [speaker002:] We have the worry about how robust it will be if it's it's curved as a banana but spongy. [speaker001:] Hmm. [speaker002:] I think [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah, I don't really think that's gonna work, [speaker002:] yeah. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Okay, so [speaker003:] but [disfmarker] [speaker004:] two? Um [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Excess buttons. [speaker004:] are there excess buttons? [speaker002:] No. [speaker003:] No. [speaker001:] No. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] That is false. [speaker002:] So that's false. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Um [vocalsound] good, well designed buttons, intuitive buttons. [speaker001:] Better, more intuitive buttons, yes. [speaker004:] True. Ugly. [speaker003:] No. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] No. [speaker001:] No. [speaker004:] People don't respond well to ugly. Sellable, uh quirky, you know, something people [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah, I think they're different, [speaker004:] like oh, [speaker003:] Well it is quite it is quite quirky I think. [speaker002:] aren't they? [speaker001:] I like it. [speaker004:] yeah. Yeah, I do too. [speaker003:] It could be quite a good brand, like a good little object. [speaker004:] Oh yeah. And I was I was thinking of other things um in terms of uh could we say it's cost saving? With the [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Oh, we also need tho think about the energy. Is it the kinetic energy? [speaker004:] Yeah, with the energy. [speaker003:] If it's [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Mm. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] it is gonna be environmentally friendly with the kinetic energy. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] It is going to be kinetic? [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] Yeah, we'll c we'll say it's a cost saving enviro. Uh so yes. [speaker003:] Yeah, but we haven't completely developed that side of it yet, so we're not completely sure about that, [speaker004:] Well [vocalsound] you're still in the Play-Doh stage. [speaker003:] but yeah. Yeah. [speaker004:] Anything else? Including price, do you have any idea about price or other features? [speaker002:] Well I think our instinct is that it should be pretty cheap to develop. We haven't got a lot of expensive components in there. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker001:] Yes, the instinct says true. [speaker004:] So true one or should I go to two or three? [speaker002:] I'd put it at one I think, but [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker002:] I dunno, [speaker003:] I would say maybe a two, [speaker002:] what do you [disfmarker] [speaker003:] 'cause we still [disfmarker] we need to uh get somebody in who is good with the programming for the menus and things. [speaker002:] Yeah, true, [speaker003:] I mean it's not just like [disfmarker] I mean it's not like ev you know, on a normal chunky remote every button res I mean means something different, [speaker002:] it might be the [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah, that's not a cheap thing to get. [speaker002:] yeah, yeah, true. True. [speaker003:] whereas this one has only got the four buttons and they all [disfmarker] they mean everything, depending on what menu you're in. [speaker001:] Hmm. [speaker002:] Yeah, that's a good point. [speaker003:] [gap] uh we need somebody to develop that. [speaker004:] Um other? Anything else you guys can thing of? And I'm gonna actually change a couple of these so then I'm gonna [disfmarker] instead of ugly I'm gonna say it's attractive and then make that true, so that [disfmarker] 'cause I have to do an average. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Right. [speaker004:] And then um excess buttons. [speaker003:] Just putting no excess buttons. [speaker004:] Exactly. Wow we're doing really well. Yeah, be you know, so it doesn't ruin the polarity. [speaker003:] As for [disfmarker] see if we're technologically innovative, I'd say it is quite innovative, because there aren't really many that have this menu idea instead of all the extra buttons. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] I mean I know we're not doing anything involving internet or speech recognition but but we are at the upper end of the push button market. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Or LCD. Yeah. Well if you g uh let me know if if any of these [disfmarker] um if you if you all can think of any other um thing to change here [disfmarker] if you th if you think I should change the innovative or add other features. If not I'll average those. [speaker001:] I think we're good. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Okay. Mm. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] So [disfmarker] [speaker001:] We're a little over halfway through the meeting and the next big thing is the finance. Okay. [speaker004:] Um okay, how about if I uh pass this back to you [speaker001:] Yep. [speaker004:] and I'll uh figure out the average here. [speaker001:] Right. [speaker004:] Thank you for everyone's help with that. [speaker001:] Right. And as you can see it says the same thing, it had not lost itself, thank Goodness. And we're going to raise what's called a sp a spreadsheet that they provided to me. Um and it says fill in the number of components you plan to use in your device. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Hand dynamo, battery, kinetic, solar cells. Okay. [speaker003:] Well, just kinetic then, [gap]. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker001:] Um what's a hand dynamo? [speaker002:] That was the crank, wind-up crank on the side. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] It's the wind-up. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Oh shoot, forget that. Kinetic is um [disfmarker] and how many of those will we need per [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Just one. [speaker001:] we only need one. Okay. Electronic simple chip on print, and we'll need one of those. [speaker002:] Uh uh yeah, I think we can do it all with simple [disfmarker] Just checking that. Yeah, simple, 'cause we've just got push buttons, so we can do it all with simple which is the ch should be the cheapest. [speaker001:] Okay, and we only need one of those. [speaker002:] Yep. [speaker001:] Okay, the case will be uncurved and flat or a single curve or a double curve. It looks like it [gap] single curve, 'cause of th the chunkiness. It's [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah, that that one is single curve, [speaker001:] that's uh uh one. [speaker002:] isn't it? Um do we have [speaker003:] What does double curved mean, I don't understand. [speaker001:] And that's [speaker002:] I I think you [disfmarker] it means you reverse the curve. [speaker001:] uh that's the the one that goes like this. [speaker003:] Oh [speaker002:] Yeah. Yeah, I do I don't think we need that for either of them, [speaker003:] no, we don't need that. No. [speaker001:] Right. [speaker002:] you can do a banana in single curve, [speaker003:] Single-curved, I'd say. [speaker001:] No, single curve. [speaker002:] yeah. [speaker001:] Okay, case material supplements. Plastic, wood, rubber, titanium, special colour. [speaker003:] I [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] I just wanna say plastic. [speaker001:] We had the special colour. And did we say plastic? [speaker002:] Yeah, can we do some what ifs, 'cause it may [disfmarker] [speaker004:] One, two, three, four, five, six. [speaker002:] I mean I I still quite like the idea of combining plastic and rubber myself, [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] but it depends on the cost, I guess. [speaker001:] Okay. We'll come back, if we can, to the rubber being added at the moment, that's where we are. Interface button [disfmarker] push button interface. That's what we're using, [speaker003:] It's just button. Yeah. [speaker002:] Yes. [speaker001:] isn't it? [speaker002:] Yep. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Do we need to say how many buttons, or [speaker001:] Whoops, don't want that, not yet. Um [disfmarker] [speaker002:] or d is it just one? [speaker001:] No, it just says push button interface. Button supplements, they'll be in a special colour of black. [speaker002:] 'Kay. [speaker001:] And the buttons [disfmarker] Wha what is the buttons made of, rubber? [speaker002:] Uh they'll be rubber, yep. [speaker001:] So we need one of them. And are they any special form? [speaker003:] Well yeah, like the compass point one. [speaker002:] Actually, does tha does special material mean that plastic is not a special material? 'Cause I think they can be plastic. [speaker001:] 'Cause the rate we're going we can put the rubber on top. [speaker002:] Yeah. They could be plastic, we don't have to have rubber buttons, because we haven't got a double curved case. [speaker001:] Oh. [speaker003:] Yeah, they could be plastic. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Okay. Um let's put that rubber in then, of the case material supplement. [speaker002:] It's just one, isn't it? [speaker001:] Uh we only need one of them. Um and the total cost has been calculated as nine Pounds twenty out of the twelve and a half we were allowed. [speaker002:] What, we're in. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] We're in. [vocalsound] That's us. [speaker002:] More profit. [speaker003:] Great. [speaker001:] Okay, I'm going to save this into our [vocalsound] desktop, project documents. Okay. As our project document bit. [speaker002:] Do you do you need to double click on that to open it? [speaker001:] Yeah. There we are. That's the only Excel document that will be in there, so it's there for all of us. Okay, so, are they under twelve fifty? Yes, [speaker003:] Yes. [speaker001:] go to the project evaluation, next slide. Right. Um the project process, satisfaction with, for example, the room for creativity. Yeah, leadership, [speaker004:] Sure. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] teamwork, [speaker004:] Yes. [speaker001:] means, of having whiteboard, the digital pens and all that kind of good things. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] And Play-Doh. [speaker001:] Uh-huh. [speaker002:] Yeah, yeah, the Play-Doh was best, I thought. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah well, 'cause I mean it's so hard to describe what you mean just with words and pointing at photographs and saying, well we quite want this, but imagine it rounder. So much better just to go and, you know, this is it, this is what we want. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yep. [speaker001:] Okay. [vocalsound] So, we went over all those things and we're satisfied with all the above. [speaker004:] Yep. [speaker001:] Um did we find any new ideas? [speaker004:] I think with the marketing element of uh fruit shaped I I mean I [disfmarker] that really opened my eyes. [speaker003:] Yeah. [vocalsound] Spongy. [speaker004:] I I only speak for myself though. [speaker003:] And I'd never heard of the kinetic energy before, [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker003:] so. Good work as a design team, [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah, I think we're a good team actually. [speaker003:] because we [disfmarker] [speaker002:] I'm not sure all the wires are really great though. [speaker001:] So we actually worked well as a group. [speaker002:] I thought so. [speaker001:] Right. Are the costs within the budget? [speaker003:] Oh yes. [speaker001:] Yes. [speaker004:] Yes. [speaker002:] Yes. [speaker001:] Is the project evaluated? [speaker003:] Yes. [speaker001:] Yes. [speaker002:] Yes. [speaker004:] I can give you a number, [speaker002:] Oh hang on, we haven't heard. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] um it's uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Uh-huh. [speaker004:] the average evaluation score is one point eight eight, so it means w you know, I can I can spell it out. There were six true or ones, four um pardon me, two s almost true or close to true, so that was four points, and then uh one false, seven points, so seventeen divided by nine [disfmarker] we're between one and two. I would say that's ex excellent in terms of uh ho how much we adhere to the ideals of the uh market place. [speaker003:] Yeah. And the the only false one is because we've chosen to keep a simple old technology, [speaker004:] To maintain old technology, exactly. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] which if it works perfectly well I see no point in improving on if it works, [speaker004:] Yeah, yeah. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Absolutely, and it's kept us within budget. [speaker003:] so. [speaker004:] Yes. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] So we do count as I think excellent or one. [speaker001:] Alright. [speaker003:] [gap]. [speaker001:] And we've therefore [disfmarker] we have to do the final questionnaire and do the meeting summary, I have a final report to present, um and then we're done. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker001:] We done good, [speaker003:] Bring on the ice sculptures. [speaker001:] and we're finished in time. [speaker004:] Nice. [speaker002:] And then we get the product launch party. [speaker004:] So we might have to wait. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Product launch party? [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] That's what I said, ice sculptures. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Absolutely. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Um I [disfmarker] one thing I want to do is [disfmarker] oh, I think the meeting's done. [speaker001:] I believe that is the end of our meeting. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Thank you, Melissa. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Um one thing I wa I wanna do is save everything in the right files, because I don't think everything is saved. The right files. Final meeting market

[speaker001:] Yep. Soon as I get this. Okay. This is our last meeting. Um I'll go ahead and go through the minutes from the previous meeting. Uh and then we'll have a, the prototype presentation. [vocalsound] Um then we will um do an evaluation. Uh or we'll see what, what we need to have under the criteria for the evaluation. Then we'll go through the finance and see if we fall within the budget. Um then we'll do the evaluation, and then we can finish up after that with um any changes that we'll need to make, or hopefully everything will fall right in line. Um let's see, minutes from the last meeting. Um we looked at uh the the trends. We had uh the fashion trends that people want a fancy look-and-feel. It was twice as important as anything else. Um they liked fruit and vegetables in the new styles. Um and a spongy feel. So we were talking about trying to incorporate those into our prototype. Um they wanted limited buttons and simplicity. Um then we looked at the uh the method for coming up with our own remote. Um looking at other other devices. Um the iPod, we really liked the look of that. Um we also had uh the kid's remote for a simple idea. Um a two part remote, which was what were were originally looking at. Uh and then um there was talk of spee uh speech recognition um becoming more uh predominant and easier to use. But I think we've still decided not to go with that. [vocalsound] Then we looked at the components um the materials for the case, the different energy sources, the different types of chips, um and made a decision on what we were going to use to make our remote. Um and basically how, what were making for the prototype. So I'm going to leave it at that and let you guys take over. [speaker003:] The prototype discussion. [speaker001:] The prototype yeah. Do you need a [disfmarker] this? [speaker003:] No. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Can try to plug that in there [speaker003:] There is our remo [gap] the banana. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] but [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Um [vocalsound] yeah basically we we st went with the colour yellow. Um working on the principle of a fruit which was mentioned, it's basically designed around a banana. Um but it would be held in such a fashion, [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] where it is, obviously it wouldn't be that floppy 'cause this would be hard plastic. These would be like the rubber, the rubber grips. So that's so that would hopefully help with grip, or like the ergonomics of it. Um but all the controlling would be done with this scroll wheel. You have to use your imagination a little bit. And this here represents the screen, where you, where you'd go through. [speaker001:] Very nice. [speaker003:] And the the simplest functions would be um almost identical to an iPod, where that one way ch through channels, that way th other way through channels. Volume up and down. And then to access the more complicated functions you'd you sorta go, you press that and go through the menus. It's that that simple. That just represents the infrared uh beam. That's a simple on and off switch. Um I don't know, we could use the voice. T that blue bits should be yellow, that that'd be where the batteries would be I suppose. And um [vocalsound] that's about it. It's as simple as you, we could make it really. Is there anything you want to add? [speaker002:] Right. That's what we have there. That's plastic. Plastic covered with rubber. We might uh add some more underneath here. Maybe give it, give it a form. I mean you're supposed to hold it like that, but um just if you grab it, take it from somewhere, [speaker003:] Yeah. Doesn't make much make much difference. [speaker002:] so [disfmarker] yeah, [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] You could work left-handed or right-handed I suppose. [speaker002:] you have some rub yeah. Exactly, [gap] use both. Might as well think about [disfmarker] [speaker003:] T the actual thing might be smaller. [speaker002:] Th think about the button as well. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker002:] Like either put either one [gap] one on either side or [speaker001:] What but what's that button? [speaker002:] not do it at all. [speaker003:] Just the on and off. [speaker002:] It's a quick on-off button. [speaker001:] Uh, 'kay. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] That's um yeah I think it's pretty important. So you don't have to fiddle with that. [speaker001:] 'Kay. [speaker002:] Right? Um that's not um [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] I'd say a bit smaller would probably be nice. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] You wanna play with that over there. There you go. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] It's you know it's flimsy 'cause it's made out of heavy Play-Doh, [speaker001:] Would you like to uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] but [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Right. [speaker004:] Pretty impressive. [speaker001:] Well done. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Kind of a banana. [speaker003:] And whether or not it would fall into the cost [gap] everything I suppose. With the scroll and the LCD. [speaker001:] Well luckily we are going to find out. Or not luckily. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] I do. [speaker001:] Um do you have a marketing presentation for us. [speaker004:] Okay. You guys are gonna help me do an evaluation of the criteria. Um. Okay. So first I'll just discuss some of the criteria that I found. Just based on the past trend reports that I was looking at earlier. And then we'll do a group evaluation of the prototype. And then we will calculate the average score to see how we did. Um so the criteria we're gonna be looking at are the complaints um that we heard from the users who were interviewed earlier. So we're gonna be doing it based on a seven point scale. And one is going to mean true, that we did actually achieve that. With seven being false, we did not achieve that. [gap]. Okay. So for the first one, we need to decide, did we solved the problem of the users who complained about an ugly remote? [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound]. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] I think it's definitely different than anything else out there. [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] So if they think that what is out there is ugly, then yes I would say, I would say most definitely. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] I would [gap]. [speaker001:] It's bright. [speaker003:] It's bright. It's [disfmarker] [speaker001:] It still has your traditional black. [speaker003:] It's curved. It's not [disfmarker] there's no sharp [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] angles to it. [speaker001:] Yep, not angular. [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker002:] I'd say, when it comes to the ergonomics, the form and stuff, yes that's definitely more beautiful than your average. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] However the colour, we don't have a say in that. [speaker004:] Yeah I think the colours detract a little bit. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Some people might say it. Yeah. [speaker002:] That has been, that has been dictated pretty much by the company. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker002:] So uh to answer that honestly I would rather say like uh, we have not solved the problem completely with the ugly remote because the colour is ugly, definitely. [speaker004:] That's true. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yep. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] 'S nothing you can say about that. I mean I much prefer something like brushed chrome with that form. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] But [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah something more modern to go [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Right. [speaker001:] a a modern colour to go with the modern form. [speaker002:] Right. It's different. You don't want your uh three feet huge LCD dis display in your living room that's hanging from the wall to be controlled with something like that. [speaker004:] Um okay so, do you think, since we [disfmarker] This was a a sign criteria, do you think maybe we should put it somewhere in the middle then? Does that sound good? [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] What do you think? Three? Four? [speaker001:] I would say [speaker004:] Five? [speaker001:] four. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Four is fair. [speaker002:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker001:] Very non-committal, four. [speaker004:] Okay, the second one. Did we make it simple for new users? [speaker002:] It's very intuitive, I think yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. I think that was the main aim, one of the main aims that we had. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] S give it a one. [speaker004:] One, [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] 'kay. Okay. Um, do the controls now match the operating behaviour of the users? [speaker003:] Uh yeah. [speaker004:] I'd say that [disfmarker] [speaker003:] 'Cause we've we've brought it down to basically four controls [gap] most common, which are channel and volume. [speaker002:] Right. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] And then the other ones are just a matter of just going, just scrolling further. [speaker001:] S scrolling through and selecting a few. [speaker002:] Right. [speaker004:] So one? [speaker002:] So that's a one. [speaker004:] Yeah? [vocalsound] [speaker001:] I think that's a one. [speaker004:] Okay. Okay um the fourth one. How about the problem of a remote being easily lost? One of the number one complaints. [speaker002:] Something that big and that yellow you just don't lose anymore. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Whether you want to or not, you're not gonna lose it. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] It's bright yellow. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Bright yellow's hard to lose. But um if we were to, if we were, that, the speech recognition. That, we could maybe just use that solely for the the finding thing. That was what we'd we'd mentioned. [speaker001:] So if we incorporate speech recognition into it then it could [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Just just to use, to find it when it was lost. But like I said, like I don't think you'd lose something so yellow so easily. [speaker002:] Oops. [speaker003:] And it's not gonna fall, like a rectangle would slip down behind things. [speaker002:] Hmm. [speaker003:] That's gonna be a difficult shape to [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Well what [disfmarker] [speaker001:] And it is quite bright and [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah. Maybe in the middle again, three or four or something? [speaker002:] S [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker001:] Uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] I mean you know [gap] loo losing things is one of those things that people can lose, I mean a million ways. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] You can pick it up and walk away with it and then you've lost it. [speaker004:] That's true. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] But if we do go with the, with the speech recognition, then it, then our scale goes up quite a bit I think. [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker002:] Oh yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] You probably [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Probably two. You know. If we eliminate the fact that you know it's impossible to guarantee that it's not gonna be lost then [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] I'd say two. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] With the speech recognition, which of course may be changed depending on budget. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Y you could add an extra feature actually. Which makes this thing raise hell when you remove it too far from the television. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] We could add that but that's nothing we have thought of so far. [speaker001:] Which, which may be cheaper than speech recognition if it were just a [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yes. [speaker003:] Yeah true. But I mean d just those whistling, clapping key rings you have. They're cheap. [speaker004:] Annoying alarm or something? Yeah. [speaker002:] It's it's [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] So it can't be that [speaker002:] Um the [disfmarker] it's based on this anti anti-theft technology for suitcases and stuff, [speaker003:] expensive. [speaker001:] Some sort of proximity [vocalsound] [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] where you have one piece that's attached to your luggage, another piece that starts beeping. That can't cost much. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] So that can also easily be integrated because these things are small enough to to hide, so you have one piece, you have to glue somewhere behind your [disfmarker] stick it behind your TV and the other [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [gap] stick it on the TV [gap]. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Pray that you don't accidentally lose that piece. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Right. That'd be tough then. [vocalsound] Well also your remote would uh alarm you if somebody stole you t your television, yeah. Ran off with it without taking the beautiful remote control. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] So. Are we adding one of these two features? [speaker002:] Let's add one of those features and say yes. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [gap] gonna say [disfmarker] okay. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] So we're [vocalsound] back to a one? Or a two? [speaker003:] Two. [speaker002:] Two. [speaker004:] Two, 'kay. [speaker001:] Two. [speaker004:] Okay. Are we technologically innovative? [speaker002:] Uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] I'd say so. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Uh don't get many mo remote controls with [speaker002:] It's all just [disfmarker] [speaker003:] screens on. [speaker002:] It's all just stolen technology when it comes down to [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah it's stolen technology. [speaker004:] From iPod yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] It's [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] But we have [gap]. [speaker001:] But there's not a lot of yellow, there's not a lotta yellow. [speaker004:] But for remotes [disfmarker] [speaker002:] right [speaker004:] yeah. [speaker001:] Course that wasn't really [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Fa [speaker002:] right right right. [speaker001:] we were kinda forced to take that colour. [speaker004:] Two? Three? [speaker003:] [gap] 'cause it's stolen. [speaker001:] I don't know that we are that innovative, to tell you the truth. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] No maybe not. [speaker002:] Yeah not really. [speaker004:] But how many remotes do you see like this? [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Not so many. [speaker001:] If we added the screaming factor [vocalsound] then we go up. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Right. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Um I would say we're probably at four. [speaker004:] Really? Okay. [vocalsound] That's gonna hurt us. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Okay. Um spongy material? [speaker002:] Yeah well you have that, kind of, sort of. [speaker001:] We have some spongy, yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah as much as as needed, I think. [speaker004:] 'Kay. [speaker002:] It's not a one though. [speaker001:] No. [speaker002:] One would be the whole thing [speaker001:] Yeah. Because it's only got what, these parts are the grips and perhaps the back side [disfmarker] the bottom [disfmarker] the underneath on the back. [speaker002:] to fold and stuff. Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] So that's a four at most. [speaker001:] Probably a four at most. [speaker004:] And lastly, [speaker001:] Possibly even a five. [speaker004:] did we put the fashion in electronics? [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Y yes. [speaker004:] I'd say we did. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] If your fashion is b is Carmen Miranda, you betcha. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] More [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Well the recent fashion is rather displayed in the in the LCD and the way you operate it than the form and the colour, [speaker003:] On the [disfmarker] [speaker001:] It's true. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] but it definitely is [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Be what we were told, and they'd say yeah, definitely. [speaker002:] [gap]. [speaker004:] 'Kay. Alright. Now we just gotta calculate. Six eight twelve sixteen. Seventeen divided by s [speaker003:] [gap]. [speaker001:] Seven is [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Eight. [speaker001:] Two point [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [gap] two point four? [speaker003:] Is that some long division? No. [speaker004:] Well I haven't done math in years. [speaker001:] Something. [speaker004:] What two [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] I dunno. [speaker003:] Just, I'm sure there's a [gap]. [speaker004:] Okay we'll say two point four two. Right? How does that look? [speaker002:] I'm impressed. I can't do that without a calculator. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] It's been a while. [speaker003:] No I can't do long [gap] very impressive. [speaker001:] And what what is the acceptable criteria? Is there like a scale that we have to hit? [speaker004:] Oh no. They just told me to [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] pick my own criteria and have you guys evaluate it [vocalsound] basically. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Alright then. [speaker004:] So that's that. [speaker001:] Okay. Well, let's see. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Now we get to do the budget numbers. You didn't know that you were gonna have a budget. But we do. Okay. [speaker003:] Yeah. Yeah so. You'd been going a long time dividing that. It's two point four two eight five se it just keeps going on. [speaker004:] Oh my god. Okay. [speaker003:] Two point four two basically. [speaker004:] Yeah we'll go with that. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Fifty percent, you're kidding. [speaker004:] Not too shabby. [speaker001:] So I have here an [disfmarker] Yeah. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] P [speaker001:] We want a fifty percent profit on this. Oh you can't really see that very well. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Charge about three hundred quid for it. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Twelve and a half Euros is what supposed to cost us. Okay, so [disfmarker] [speaker002:] It's too much. [speaker001:] Well let's see. [speaker002:] Um [disfmarker] [speaker001:] The f the [disfmarker] Wonder if I can make this [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] What the [disfmarker] [vocalsound] Oh it won't let me do that. Okay. Alright so at top, I don't know if you guys can read that or not. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] I can't 'cause I don't have my glasses on, but so we've got the energy source. There's uh four, five, six categories. [speaker002:] Battery. [speaker001:] We have energy source, electronics, case. Then we have case material supplements, interface type, and then button supplements. Okay so [disfmarker] Uh first of all energy source, we picked battery. Um and how many batteries do we think this will probably take? [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Probably some e either two or four. [speaker002:] Two. [speaker001:] Two? [vocalsound] Like it. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] At four it's gonna be too heavy, so that that's not our problem. People can change it every month. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Excellent. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] They won't know until after they bought it. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] This is consumerism. Alright so for the electronics our choices are simpl simple chip-on-print, regular chip-on-print, advanced chip-on-print, sample sensor, sample speaker. [speaker002:] [gap]. [speaker003:] We're advanced chip are we? [speaker002:] That's the advanced chip-on-print, yeah. [speaker001:] 'Kay, [gap] we have one of those. 'Kay then the case is a [disfmarker] Probably it's double curved. [speaker002:] Double curved, yes. [speaker001:] Case materials are [speaker002:] Plastic. [speaker001:] plastic. Um I guess it's two, since one for the top, one for the bottom. [speaker002:] N no. [speaker001:] Is that right or is it just one? [speaker002:] No that's just one. [speaker001:] Maybe it's one because of the [disfmarker] [speaker002:] It's just one mo single mould, we can do that. [speaker001:] 'Kay. [speaker003:] Yeah [gap] yeah. [speaker004:] Right. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] I guess it doesn't matter 'cause the price on that one is zero, which is nice. [speaker002:] Exactly, right. [speaker004:] Oh. [speaker001:] Special colour? [speaker002:] That's not a special colour. [speaker004:] Bright yellow. [speaker002:] It's a specially ugly colour, but it's not special. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Interface type. We have pushbutton, scroll-wheel interface, integrated scroll-wheel pushbutton, and an LCD display. [speaker003:] S [speaker002:] S [vocalsound] [speaker003:] That's [disfmarker] Yeah. [speaker001:] So we actually have the LCD display [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] And then [disfmarker] [speaker001:] and then is it the integrated or is it [disfmarker] [speaker003:] I'd say the integrated. [speaker002:] Yes unfortunately. [speaker001:] Yeah. 'Kay. Button supplement? Special colour? [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker001:] Um special form? Special material. [speaker002:] We could of course make the buttons wood. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Say mahogany or so [speaker004:] [vocalsound] It'd look really lovely. [speaker001:] Or titanium. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm or titanium. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker001:] They cost us all the same. [speaker003:] [gap] remote control [gap]. [speaker002:] Uh just [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Well we only have one button so really we shouldn't be charged, [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] we shouldn't be charged anything for the the button supplements. [speaker003:] No that's getting a bit tiny. [speaker001:] Um [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah. I'd ignore that. [speaker004:] Leave it blank. [speaker001:] Okay. We're gonna leave that one blank because we run on a LCD and scroll. So our total is fifteen point five. Which I believe is [speaker002:] Yeah that's too much. [speaker001:] by three Euros over. [speaker002:] It's hard to believe. So we'll go for the hand dynamo huh? [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] So the only thing better than um a banana-shaped remote is one that you shake. [speaker003:] If it w [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] What if we completely took out the the one single button we've got on. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] And just had a scroll wheel interface. And the LCD display. I suppose the LCD C display's the one that's pushing it up a bit though. [speaker001:] Yeah [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] 'cause the [disfmarker] Well 'cause we have to have both right? [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] I mean let's let's face it, it also depends on the software on the on the television. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] You can have the the information that this thing transmits be being displayed on the on the screen. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] So s yeah let's take away the [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah you could maybe take out the LCD dis display even, [speaker002:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker003:] if it if it comes up on the computer itsel on the TV itself. [speaker002:] Right. [speaker001:] So we may not need the LCD display? [speaker003:] Uh that is possible yeah. [speaker002:] Right. We may not need it. There you go. [speaker001:] Well there we go. [speaker002:] Perfect. [speaker003:] There we go. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Perfect. [speaker001:] Twelve point five. Okay. So we just remove our [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Screen. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] screen here. [speaker003:] Make it a bigger dial. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Easier to use. Even easier to use then. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Okay, the [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Besides look at what the LCD does to our lovely remote. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Back to the design room boys. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] So we can just take away a heck of a lot of the [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [gap]. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] there you go. [gap] central? [speaker004:] What's the blue part? [speaker003:] That was just [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Oh that's the batteries. [speaker002:] Oh that's just [disfmarker] [speaker003:] we ran out of yellow. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] yeah. [speaker004:] Okay. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] There you go [speaker003:] There you go. [speaker002:] Oops. [speaker003:] Even simpler. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Looks more like a banana. [speaker003:] Yeah. For all those fruit lovers out there. [speaker002:] There you go. One more criteria. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] Okay so the costs under twelve point five Euro. Was no. We redesigned it. Now it's yes. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Next slide. Project evaluation. Uh project process, satisfaction with, for example, room for creativity, leadership, teamwork, means, new ideas found. Um [disfmarker] So [disfmarker] I guess that [disfmarker] Let's see here. I think that perhaps the project evaluation's just supposed to be completed by me. But I'd like to hear your thoughts. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Fair enough. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Trying to fill in some time there. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Uh h what did you think of our project process? [speaker003:] I think we did [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Great. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] yeah I think we did quite well. Um [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Good. [speaker004:] Good teamwork [gap]. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Just half a day, you have a remote. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] There you go. [speaker003:] Right from the start of the day. [speaker001:] Yeah I think [disfmarker] [speaker003:] We sort of knew where we were going straight away I thought. [speaker001:] [gap] we st we started off a little little weak. Our leadership was quite weak in the beginning. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Um [vocalsound] um [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] But as the day went along we had more idea of what we were doing. Um room for creativity? There was that. Um I think we tried a lotta different things and um I think it was um interesting as you guys brought up more um information and studies that we were right on with a lot of those things. Um you guys worked together well as a team. And um the means? Which was the whiteboard and the pens. [speaker003:] Yeah. We've used the whiteboard. [speaker002:] Super super. [speaker001:] I had some problem with the pen I think, [speaker004:] Minus your PowerPoint fiasco. [speaker001:] but [vocalsound] minus your p [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Well that's not my fault. That's obviously the people I work for uh that work for me, [speaker004:] No I know. I'm [disfmarker] yeah. [speaker001:] Well [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Incom [vocalsound] [speaker002:] uh they've just you know [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Heads are gonna roll, believe me. [speaker001:] Have a [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] we have a list of employees that you would like fired. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yes yes. [speaker001:] Okay. N new ideas found? Um [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Mm. Kinda. [speaker001:] Yes for the remote. Maybe no not f for [speaker003:] Technology used. [speaker001:] technology. Alright. Closing. Costs are within the budget. Project is evaluated. Um complete the final questionnaire and meeting summary. That's it. [speaker003:] Excellent. [speaker001:] And I still have to do my minutes for the last meeting. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Actually. Um so there will probably be another questionnaire coming up. [speaker004:] We might have a while though. [speaker001:] And then we'll have to check with the main boss whether we can, what goes on after that. [speaker002:] [gap]. [speaker001:] But that's the end of our meeting.

[speaker001:] Okay. Here we go. Alright, the agenda for thi oh. Alright. Um the agenda for this meeting [vocalsound] is um [disfmarker] we'll initially have the prototype presentation by our two designers. And then we will evaluate it, given the criteria that um that we gave gave it. And um talk about our finances, whether we were under or over our budget. I have a um a spreadsheet where we can calculate um our prices for every aspect of of what we've made, given our options. And um evaluate the product, as a group. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] And um [disfmarker] So first we'll have the prototype presentation. Do you need the um PowerPoint for this? [speaker002:] Um yeah. I just got a few slides, so show them. [speaker001:] Alright. [speaker002:] Thank you. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Um [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Do you want to present it? [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] This is what we came up with. [speaker002:] Yeah, here we are. [speaker003:] It's a pretty simple design. It's um based on a mango? Yeah. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] And [vocalsound] we [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Mango shape. [speaker001:] On? [vocalsound] A mango. Okay. [speaker003:] Yeah. And we have the company logo here and this will be the infrared here [speaker002:] The LED. [speaker003:] and this'll be the power point, the on off button kind [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Oh. Okay. [speaker003:] yeah. [speaker004:] I'm sorry. What was the [disfmarker] where's the LED? [speaker001:] Oops. [speaker003:] It's in the middle of one of the little Rs. [speaker004:] Oh. Okay. [speaker003:] And then the other one is the power. And uh we just have a simple design. We wanted it all to be [speaker002:] So it's palm-held. [speaker003:] accessible from your thumb [disfmarker] yeah palm-held [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] and all the [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] buttons are accessible from your thumb. [speaker001:] Notice you have a number ten button. [speaker003:] So you don't have to [disfmarker] Oh that was a mistake, wasn't it? [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Okay. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Right no, that's a zero. [speaker002:] You just need the nought. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Take that one off. [vocalsound] Sorry. I was in charge of the numbers. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] No problem. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Ah. [speaker003:] And this is just if you've got like eleven or twelve or thirt the plus. [speaker002:] So one plus one would be eleven, [speaker003:] [vocalsound] You can go one, three or something. [speaker002:] or [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Oh. [speaker003:] You press that first and then you go one three [speaker001:] You press a plus button? [speaker003:] yeah. [speaker001:] Oh okay. I've never heard of that kind before. [speaker003:] Well we just thought, we have all the numbers here, so we wanted something representative of numbers larger than ten and [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] because if you [disfmarker] on your average um remote, if you press one twice you just go to [disfmarker] um or uh say you wanted channel twelve, you press one, and then you go to channel one, and then two then you'd just go to channel two, instead of twelve. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Oh, there's no e okay. [speaker002:] So if you did like one plus two you could go to channel twelve, or two plus two is channel twenty two. [speaker003:] So the plus and then [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Oh. [speaker003:] yeah. [speaker001:] I [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker001:] But [disfmarker] Would you have to go zero plus one if you wanted to go to channel one or two? [speaker003:] No no, th all [disfmarker] that's why we have all these numbers. These numbers um these numbers all work independently up to nine. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah but I mean if you press, it'll go to that channel right away. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] 'Cause you gotta press the plus afterwards. [speaker003:] Oh no. Uh, the plus is only for if you're going past the number nine. [speaker001:] Yeah I know, but if if I wanna go to say number like sixty five, channel sixty five, if I press the six it'll go to channel six, and then I'll press the plus, and then it'll go to six and then put the five and it'll go to sixty five? [speaker004:] Sixty. [speaker003:] You p Oh. No you press the plus first. I I [disfmarker] well it doesn't [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Oh. [speaker003:] we haven't really s I would've thought you pressed the plus first and then the six five, [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] but she says plus [disfmarker] [vocalsound] press [disfmarker] which [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Well I don't mind, we can further define that. [speaker003:] what do you think is simpler? [speaker001:] I th [speaker003:] It's a [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Um [disfmarker] [speaker002:] I wouldn't have thought it'd be a problem that it went to channel six first, in like on the way to channel sixty five. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah it wouldn't be a problem. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] But I was just wondering [speaker002:] But I suppose it's not as snappy. [speaker001:] like as long as we realise that's what it'll do. [speaker004:] Well the there is a [disfmarker] there's a delay on remotes I think. [speaker003:] Oops. [speaker004:] Where you can have it [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] it's like a five second input time. [speaker002:] Yeah. If you don't put it [disfmarker] [speaker004:] So as long as you hit them dada [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah, that [disfmarker] yeah. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] it should be fine. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] As long as there's not a big pause between the t hitting the two buttons. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] Yeah. So [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Um [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Was there [disfmarker] so on the top there is volume and [disfmarker] [speaker002:] And channel, [speaker003:] A channel. [speaker002:] which is so you could just go like that without thinking about it, like [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Channel up volume up. Okay cool. [speaker001:] C and V. [speaker003:] Just so we can flick [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Right, [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] where um where's the power button? [speaker003:] It's in the middle of one of the little Rs. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] It's the bigger R. [speaker004:] It's the R. [speaker001:] Oh okay. [speaker002:] So it's just like [vocalsound]. [speaker003:] Yeah, so it's all accessible. Without m taking your hand off the remote. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] We deci [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] um we went for like a a circular design for the numbers because we thought that's kind of a more natural movement than just going like that with your thumb. [speaker001:] Oh okay. [speaker002:] Uh e ergonomics are all considered. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] And [vocalsound] it might actually help with the repetitive stress injury as well. [speaker001:] Ergonomic, definitely ergonomic. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] It could cause another type of repetitive stress injury though. [speaker003:] Okay. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] But yeah no I mean it's a different movement [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] so [disfmarker] yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Um and the feel of it, I mean, we've made this out of Play Doh, which is representing the, you know, the rubber, and the spongy rubberness. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] The spon yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Um 'cause it was said before in the material specification that this [disfmarker] the [disfmarker] this anti-RSI um material is often used in stress balls so this has got a you know a bit of give to it, [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] and it just feels feels different. [speaker001:] Yeah. Bit of a stress ball feel. [speaker003:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Would you like to feel it yourselves? [speaker001:] Yes. I would. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] How it fits in the palm of your hand? [speaker001:] My goodness. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Thanks. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] There you go. [speaker002:] And you? [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yes [speaker001:] Genevieve? Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Oh it's nice. Oh I think I killed the five. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] I did. I killed the four. [speaker001:] And something hmm. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Oh god. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] O Okay, as for the colours, we were presented with um a limited range of colours for this prototype. [speaker004:] Oh it smells good. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Of Play Doh yeah. [speaker002:] But we're thinking that, seeing as we're having it in interchangeable casing anyway, that this is not necessarily a representation of the true colours that we would necessarily use. Or the combination. Um and we're thinking to carry-on with the fruit and vegetable theme, the colour um combination just could just be named after different fruit, like banana could be black and yellow, watermelon red and green, [speaker001:] Oh right. [speaker002:] or vanilla might be the most popular if it just uh blends in [speaker003:] 'Cause it'd be quite subtle and [disfmarker] [speaker002:] more settled cream instead of the others are all a bit garish. [speaker001:] Yeah. It looks more [disfmarker] Think like vanilla and banana would. [speaker002:] Banana's more representative of our colour scheme, like the company [disfmarker] the yellow and black. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Okay yeah. [speaker002:] So that [disfmarker] for corporate identity that would probably be the most strength. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] I mean watermelon, you know, m probably appealing to the [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Kinda Christmas, you know. [speaker002:] yeah, seasonal. [speaker003:] Yeah, yeah, yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Apple green, brown, more kinda trendy, you know, khaki [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] The pomegranate's kinda girly and funky kind of, and then the vanilla's more for the more sophisticated [vocalsound] customer who just wants something that fits in with all decor. [speaker001:] Cool. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yeah. Okay. Um yeah we thought of the components it was definitely um a focus of ergonomics and just a single ha handheld device, I mean you don't need to use both hands, one hand to hold this and type in with the other, you can just use your thumb. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Um, as we said the rubber's probably used for comfort and anti-RSI and that's about it. [speaker001:] Alright, thank you very much. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Good work everyone. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Bravo [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Alright. And so now that we've we have a prototype, uh we need to go over the finances and seeing if this prototype matches uh what our budget can handle. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] So, I have something I'm going to [disfmarker] [speaker004:] You want the [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Oh wait a minute. Do you need to do a presentation first? [speaker004:] [vocalsound] I don't know what order it goes in. [speaker001:] Yeah. I'm gonna check that out for a second. [speaker004:] I have one. [speaker002:] Mm go [disfmarker] [gap] [speaker001:] What time is it anyw Oh yeah sorry you're right. [speaker004:] Evaluation cri Okay. [speaker001:] Evaluation criteria is next in line. [speaker004:] That's me. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Hello. Oh there we go. Okay. Come on my computer. Come on. [vocalsound] Sorry my computer's giving me technical difficulties. [speaker001:] Just press um function eight again. [speaker004:] Should I press it again? Last time I did that it sh Okay. You're right. [speaker001:] And then again I think. One more time. [speaker004:] Oh. Still not there. [speaker001:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker004:] Okay now I think for this one I could [disfmarker] Would you guys prefer use the whiteboard or mayb maybe I'll just do it on [disfmarker] right on the screen where you can see it. Um, we're gonna be doing an evaluation report together based on the protoptype that we've just seen. Um and looking looking back at my notes from our [disfmarker] both our conceptual and our functional meetings, um I made a list of what our original requirements and goals were, um, back to our kick-off meeting this morning. Um, and we'll evaluate as to whether we've s done what we set out to do. Um and we're gonna do it on a one to seven scale where one is true and seven is false. So basically the lower p the lower the points the better. [vocalsound] Okay so question number one. Does the remote [disfmarker] whoops. Sorry. Oh I'm not gonna be able [disfmarker] um, I'll do it on the whiteboard. I can't change it so I'm g I'm gonna ask you to push it down once. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] I'll write down our scores up on the [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Ooh. [speaker004:] Okay so number one. Do we have a fancy look-and-feel? [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker002:] Feel I think. We've been quite successful with the rubber coating [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] and [disfmarker] [speaker001:] The look is a little bit more playful. [speaker003:] Well [disfmarker] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah I guess that depends on your definition of fancy, but it's definitely different. It's not your traditional [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Oh definitely different yeah. [speaker004:] yeah. [speaker002:] I think the colour has a lot to do with it. I mean [vocalsound] th the colours we were given for making the prototype aren't the colours that I think we would've necessarily chosen. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] It's not the kind of [disfmarker] ooh uh at all sleek [speaker001:] Oh you were only given red and black? [speaker002:] [disfmarker] red, black and yellow, and orange. [speaker001:] Oh okay. [speaker003:] Yeah [vocalsound] so [disfmarker] [vocalsound] not very sleek [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Um [disfmarker] [speaker003:] and we don't wanna go for black because most remote controls are black or grey. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] So we want it to be stand out that way, anyway. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] But if you can imagine that in like a s just a [disfmarker] maybe uh a kind of pale metallic-y finish or something [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] Yeah. A metallic-y finish we were thinking. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Well I know know it's for rubber. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Polished. [speaker002:] I mean diff if you can visualise this in nice colours I think it would look quite fancy. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Okay [disfmarker] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] I kinda [disfmarker] I like the potato look. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Oh well, potato, mango, fruit and veg. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] We we were [vocalsound] we were thinking about [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] It's mango. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] It's very different. It's what? [speaker001:] It's mango. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Oh sorry the mango the mango look. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Potato's fine. Potato's fine. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah it is, fruit or vegetable depends on your mood. [speaker003:] yeah. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yeah. Totally. It's really adaptable. [speaker004:] So I myself would say a one or a two. [speaker001:] Yeah. I would say two. Personally. [speaker003:] I w I'd say two I think. [speaker004:] It's a two? Okay, [speaker002:] For the [speaker004:] and p [speaker003:] Fanciness. [speaker002:] fancy [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] One being true. So [disfmarker] [speaker002:] I [disfmarker] uh two, [speaker004:] Two. [speaker002:] three. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Okay, [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] actu that's pro that's gonna get confusing, like that. Okay so question number two was [vocalsound] is it techn technologically innovative? So I know we have the kinetic energy which is very innovative. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah and the use of the rubber. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Use of the rubber, the use of the LED. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] For the anti-RSI. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] The LED use isn't particularly innovative [speaker004:] Isn't [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker002:] and we don't have any scroll buttons, it's all pushbuttons, there's no LCD control, so if we're thinking about the rest of the market, it's sort of probably halfway. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] In some aspects it is, like we said. [speaker001:] Yeah. I'd say maybe three. [speaker003:] I'll go for three as well. [speaker004:] Yeah. And I think [disfmarker] I mean it it's tough to say because we were [disfmarker] we didn't want it to be any more innovative than this, because then that would've defeated the purpose. [speaker002:] Yeah. Though it was our specification. [speaker003:] No. Wouldn't be simple, yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah we want it simple. [speaker004:] So I mean I [disfmarker] we'll put three, but I think we actually reached our goal. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] We didn't want it any more than that. Okay question number three. Uh, will it be easy to use? [speaker001:] I think so. Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah very. [speaker004:] Yeah. Yeah. S [speaker003:] I think one for that. [speaker004:] Yeah I think it's [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah. One. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] you can't really get confused with that. [speaker003:] Yeah. No. [speaker004:] I mean, there'll be s we have to work out the uh number [disfmarker] the plus system. [speaker001:] Th The plus number thing. [speaker003:] Yeah that's the only thing yeah. [speaker004:] But once that's figured out, it should be fine. [speaker002:] Yeah and perhaps the turning on but [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Number four. Is this a good-looking remote? [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker004:] Remember that seventy five percent of users find most remote controls ugly. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] It's definitely [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Again I think the colour comes into this. [speaker001:] Yeah colour will definitely be a factor. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm [vocalsound]. [speaker001:] I think that the logo could be smaller. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] And maybe not such a prominent way. [speaker003:] But the [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Maybe like at the bottom, kind of. [speaker003:] Remember the management said that it it had to be prominent. [speaker002:] Not in [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Whoops. [speaker001:] Oh it just had to be on there I guess. [speaker004:] Should just not touch it. [speaker003:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Don't worry. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] This time it's the three I killed. [vocalsound] I was just wondering if it should be like flatter. Or [disfmarker] [speaker002:] I suppose I've got quite big hands. [speaker001:] I like the appeal of it being like a big glob in your hand. [speaker004:] Well [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] But you know what I've just thought of there now. What [disfmarker] where's it gonna sit in your living room? Is it not gonna fall off the arm of the sofa? [speaker001:] Maybe if the bottom was just sort of flat, [speaker004:] Yeah the bottom could be like ch chopped a bit. [speaker001:] and then the rest is like [speaker003:] Yeah. But then it wouldn't sit as comfortably in your hand [vocalsound]. [speaker001:] round. [speaker004:] Oh. That's true. [speaker001:] It would still be comfortable I think. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker002:] Thing is like that, it's not going anywhere particularly. [speaker001:] We c we could handle it I think. [speaker004:] Maybe, it could [disfmarker] it could be on the bottom, so you wouldn't loo like if it's flat here, so it sits up. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Like that. [speaker003:] Oh that would be nice. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Ah it'd fall over all the time though. It'd be annoying. [speaker002:] Uh yeah, it's less um, what's th ha. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] I g If it's weighted maybe. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] H it's got higher centre of gravity like that. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] 'Kay we're done designing. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Details, details. [vocalsound] Okay. So, is this a good-looking remote? [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Come on. [speaker004:] Would we wanna show it off to our friends? [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Three. You would though, 'cause it's bit [disfmarker] it's more interesting than other remotes. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] I think, it was another colour and it was like [disfmarker] I think it'd look okay. I think maybe a two. [speaker004:] Yeah? I mean I gue yeah, it's personal taste, [speaker002:] I would definitely go for that rather than like your average plain old remote like that, [speaker004:] but [disfmarker] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] but definitely in another colour, I'm not happy with those colours. [speaker004:] Okay, so should we say two for that? [speaker001:] Sure. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah? [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Okay. Uh, question number five. What's um [disfmarker] will people be willing to spend twenty five Euros on this product? Remember that eighty percent of users were willing to spend more money when a remote control looked fancy. [speaker003:] I think we have to market it in the right way, that um [disfmarker] to say that it is simplistic. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] So people don't just see it and think, uh, this is so simplistic, I don't want to spend twenty five Euros. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] We have to market it. [speaker004:] Yeah it [disfmarker] the marketing will have a lot to do with it. [speaker002:] Yeah. And [vocalsound] the kinetic energy, shaker-style-y, whoo, [speaker003:] And the kinetic energy part. Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] ooh no. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Shake it and the buttons fall off. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Durable. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] But you know, those'll be firmly on. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Don't shake [disfmarker] [vocalsound] Oh no the plus. [vocalsound] You're [speaker004:] No, I guess, I don't know much about the remote control industry, how much your average sells for, [speaker003:] [disfmarker] use the zero. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Make a new one. [speaker001:] But you're our Marketing Expert. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] but [disfmarker] I know I am, aren't I? [speaker003:] I think they're about ten po ten pound, aren't they? About ten pounds. [speaker004:] But you don't have to buy batteries. [speaker003:] Fifteen? [speaker004:] So in the long term this can actually save you money. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Mm, yeah, that's true. [speaker001:] Oh. Exactly. Exactly. [speaker004:] So we'll market it that way too. [speaker002:] Yeah. Good point. [speaker004:] So yeah I think with a good marketing scheme um and the personalisation options, it'll [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah. I would give it a two still though. [speaker002:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker004:] Okay number six. Can someone read it out? [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Does this prototype match the operating behaviour of the average user. [speaker004:] Or [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Um yeah. So that was mainly that the statistics [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] I think it does very well. [speaker001:] Oh yeah. [speaker002:] Because [disfmarker] [speaker004:] we said [disfmarker] [speaker002:] yeah, because the most accessible buttons are the volume and the and the channel-changing. [speaker003:] The zap [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] And it's just [disfmarker] you won't have to think about it. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] yeah. [speaker002:] You don't have to look down to find them. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] They're clearly there, easy to use. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah [speaker002:] Simple. [speaker004:] I guess the [disfmarker] I think the key word there is average, [speaker003:] Uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] 'cause there were some people that used the uh video input and sound and stuff. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] But they're not you and I really. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker004:] So. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Okay so one? [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Okay. Number seven. C Heather could you push it down? Will this remote control be easy to find when lost? Remember that fifty percent of users lose their remote regularly. Now is there the [disfmarker] [speaker001:] We have the alarm system. [speaker004:] is the alarm system still [disfmarker] was it implemented? [speaker003:] Yeah the bu when you press the alarm system, the [vocalsound] lights [vocalsound] behind the [disfmarker] and it'll vibra [vocalsound] [speaker002:] It [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yeah l lights on and, or flash as well. But I mean it's not obviously obvious from the outside that that's gonna happen 'cause you can't s particularly see an alarm. [speaker003:] It'll be again in the marketing. [speaker001:] I thought the light from the inside was gonna light up. [speaker003:] Yeah. The light [disfmarker] it will. [speaker001:] Or or was it gonna make a noise? [speaker003:] But [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah. But when the alarm's not [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] yeah [speaker003:] But both [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] If you [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] You press the button it makes a noise [speaker004:] [vocalsound] It turns into a duck and starts quacking. [speaker001:] right? [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] You could s [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Oh, that would be brilliant. [speaker001:] Yeah. Awesome. Awesome. [speaker002:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Here I am. [speaker003:] I'd be tempted to [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Well the thing is, if it was [disfmarker] had an alarm system, [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Um [disfmarker] [speaker002:] I mean, when it when it lights up as we I mean it could light up when the alarm went. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] But if it was hidden underneath the cushion or something, there wouldn't be any point. So you can't see the alarm, but it would light up. [speaker003:] It would have to be in the market [speaker001:] I though w it was gonna make a noise. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker002:] Yeah. Alarm, [speaker003:] Yeah but you still couldn't see it. [speaker002:] but you can't see an alarm inside uh [disfmarker] the alarm system itself. [speaker003:] It would just be a little speaker on the back or something. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] We [disfmarker] oh you're just explaining why it's not on the prototype. [speaker002:] Yeah. Yeah. It w yeah. [speaker004:] But yeah, it'll be there. So we can [disfmarker] we could say that [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Oh okay. Whoo. Okay. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Sorry. [speaker004:] We can give it a one, because compared to every other remote ever m ever made, this one will be easier to find. [speaker001:] Yeah, totally. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Okay. Um [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Sorry Heather. That wasn't very clear. [speaker001:] No problem, mm. [speaker004:] Question number eight. Will it be easy to learn how to use this remote when brand new? Remember that thirty four percent of users usually found it difficult. So it has to be [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Totally. [speaker004:] yeah, it's eas they'll pick it up and they'll know what to do. [speaker003:] So the plu the plus [disfmarker] [speaker004:] The plus thing needs to be worked on. [speaker003:] w once that's written down on the page that'll be really simple, [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah [speaker003:] won't it? [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] I think [disfmarker] just because it's [disfmarker] we've decided to reduce it down to the basic buttons, I think that in itself makes it so much easier to use. [speaker004:] Well [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Do [disfmarker] Does it make more sense for the middle one to be an [disfmarker] just an enter button? So then you would have to push two buttons every time at least. [speaker001:] Yeah, so it's just like channel six, six, enter. [speaker003:] That kind of annoys me though, when it's zero six when you have to press [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [gap] [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker003:] I don't know why. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah but you don't have to press zeros. [speaker004:] You could just press six enter, [speaker003:] Oh okay. Right. [speaker002:] And [disfmarker] or sixty six enter, y [speaker004:] or one two enter. [speaker001:] And then like twelve, enter. [speaker003:] Alright, aye. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah I think that's probably more straightforward. Yeah. Good [gap] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Um, okay so we can [vocalsound] [disfmarker] [speaker003:] I'd say w yeah one. [speaker004:] we'll say yes it's uh one? [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker002:] Ooh. Mm. [speaker004:] Question number nine. [speaker002:] Oh. [speaker004:] Uh, will it minimise the effects of RSI, which was repeated strain injury? [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Injury. [speaker004:] Um, which affected over a quarter of users. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Hmm. [speaker004:] S [speaker001:] I think so. It's like right in the [disfmarker] [speaker003:] But if you're zapping [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Your thumb might get a little bit uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah, that's what I was thinking. [speaker003:] yeah. I don't think it will f [speaker002:] We may have to do some more research into other strain injuries that we don't know about. [speaker003:] Yeah, [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] the biology. [speaker001:] But it is soft. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] It's soft, [speaker001:] And that's kind of what the um [speaker004:] and [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker004:] And people could [disfmarker] [speaker001:] the PowerPoint slide thing said would be good for RSI, [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] so [disfmarker] maybe it is but [disfmarker] [speaker004:] I don't know what other options there are. [speaker002:] I think we're getting [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] that's true. [speaker004:] Could [disfmarker] I mean, you could hold it in your left hand and d use your index finger. But there's not really any other options unless it's like a keyboard. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker004:] So, I think we did as as much as you can with a remote control. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker004:] So, one or two do you think? [speaker003:] I I'd say t [speaker002:] I think [disfmarker] yeah, I think too. [speaker003:] two. Yeah [speaker004:] Two okay. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Okay number ten. Did we somehow incorporate the company colour and logo? [speaker001:] Yes we did. [speaker003:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Now is the colour gonna be there even if it's like vanilla? [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] N We we can't really do that [speaker004:] Is the yellow [disfmarker] [speaker003:] because for example on the banana theme we can't have it as being yellow. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] It won't stand out. So n it's not always gonna be the same colour. [speaker004:] It sounds like the colour's something that we [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Well, yeah the colours are yellow and grey. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Gray, yeah. [speaker001:] So it could be grey on the banana one. [speaker003:] Yeah, could be grey. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] But I mean the yell yeah d yellow's ugly though, depending on the [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah that's right, we didn't even rea [speaker004:] So I think we'll have to talk to our executive managers, and see if we can get away with just the RR. [speaker002:] Mm. Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] I think this is the the factor that we've been least successful in confronting. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker003:] Perhaps a metallic [speaker001:] Mm, yeah. [speaker003:] or or [disfmarker] like that's grey, and it wouldn't be that expensive to have a little bit of metal. No? [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] That isn't rubber. [speaker004:] And the buttons in the middle. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Okay [speaker002:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] So, do you think that's more of a three then? Three, four? [speaker002:] Four I think. [speaker004:] Four? [speaker002:] Well I don't [disfmarker] what do [disfmarker] what [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Well we have good reasons for it, [speaker001:] Hum. [speaker004:] so we [disfmarker] but we can still put a a four? [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker004:] Okay, and final question. [vocalsound] Um, did we stay true to our motto and put the fashion into electronics? [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Current trends of fruits and veggies, desire for sponginess. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] I would say so. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Following that briefing we did. [speaker001:] But maybe more like two 'cause there's no like pictures of fruit, it's just sort of naming it by a fruit. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] With the with the colours. [speaker002:] Like um the colour scheme names and stuff. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] No, uh, are the plates interchangeable? [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] I think I missed a few [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] they are? So you can have banana and kiwi and [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] okay. [speaker002:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Okay, so that's something that's kind of in the making too, like maybe it'll become more [disfmarker] [speaker001:] That's fashionable in itself to have interchangeable plates. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] It is. [speaker003:] I think w yeah, I think one. Well that was our brief and we followed the brief. Well we haven't got a big banana but [disfmarker] [speaker002:] The thing is, I think if somebody saw that and you said what was that inspired from, I don't know if you'd instantly say mango. [speaker003:] Oh yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Be like [disfmarker] [speaker003:] No. [vocalsound] No. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah. Maybe if it was scented. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Oh that would be class. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Oh yeah. There we go. That would be great. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yeah we have money for that. Um [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Um [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Alright so based on this evaluation, do we average them out sorta thing? [speaker004:] Yes we do. So I [disfmarker] wh what was I gonna put for that? A two for fashion? [speaker001:] Oh. I would say two. [speaker003:] Yeah. Two. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker004:] Okay, so our average there, five, six, eight, ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen, fifteen, nineteen, twenty one, divided by eleven [speaker003:] It's [disfmarker] [speaker004:] is [disfmarker] [speaker001:] One point nine or something? [speaker002:] It's [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] I don't know these things. [speaker002:] Between one and two. [speaker001:] Um, between one and two. [speaker004:] Between [disfmarker] okay. [speaker002:] So that's pretty fantastic. [speaker003:] Close to two. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Um. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah, that's very good 'cause the highest we coulda got is one. [speaker003:] I got [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Alright. [speaker004:] Does that seem right then? [speaker003:] Yeah, 'cause we've a four to bring down. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker002:] Mm. It seems like it should be more around two. [speaker003:] Uh, aye. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. Uh, should've added five. [speaker002:] Do we have an online calculator? [speaker001:] I'm attempting to do that [vocalsound] right now. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] This is [gap]. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] Yeah it is one point nine. Ooh. [speaker003:] Yay. [speaker002:] Oh wow. Well done. [speaker001:] Go Heather Pauls. [speaker002:] Well that's excellent. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah. [vocalsound] Alright, now with that over and done with, our next step is to see if we are under budget. And um my computer's frozen. And now it's not. Okay. So um in our shared folder, if everyone could go there right now, um [speaker004:] Sorry. [speaker001:] I'm going to um steal a cable. [speaker004:] Are you gonna do that? Okay. [speaker001:] Um it's it's um [speaker003:] Is that the project document? [speaker001:] it's an Excel file. Oh. [speaker002:] Production costs. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. 'Kay there we go. Um, production costs. And um I have to access that as well. [speaker002:] It says it [disfmarker] [speaker001:] One moment. [vocalsound] 'Kay so far I've added what I think [disfmarker] or what is going on? Great. It's blinking at me. It's locked for editing. Read only. I'm gonna open up a second one then 'cause it's locked for editing. I have the original in my um my email account. [speaker004:] Oh is it locked 'cause I'm in it? [speaker001:] I dunno. [speaker002:] I think it just means that we can't add any more to it now. [speaker004:] Or [disfmarker] okay. [speaker002:] Have you have you completed it? [speaker001:] No. [speaker002:] Oh right. Okay. [speaker001:] No, I was hoping that you guys could. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] Um, there we go. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Okay here we go. So we need to tally up how much our w our product will be costing. So um if you can look up at the screen, um the large screen, [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] oh I guess looking at your own too and telling me which one you think. Okay we're using kinetic which is quite a large expense at three Euros. [speaker002:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Oh right. [speaker001:] Um we're using a regular chip. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Um, it's cur it's double curved, so its curved all around. [speaker002:] Double double-curved yeah. [speaker001:] That's another three. We're already at five. Um, we're using plastic and rubber, [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] so [disfmarker] Good thing plastic is free, we're at eight. Um [disfmarker] [speaker003:] What about a special colour? [speaker001:] S [speaker003:] Are we using that? [speaker001:] Yeah. I guess we should do it just for one kind. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] So it's like special colour [disfmarker] well we'll have two colours right? [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Well one colour for the case, one colour for the buttons. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] So we can [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Um, we have push button interface, so that's inexpensive. And um we have a special colour for the button, and we also have a special form. And a special material. [speaker003:] And a special material. Yeah. [speaker002:] Oof. [speaker001:] Which puts us just barely under budget. Hurray. [speaker002:] Congratulations guys. [speaker004:] Mm. 'S good. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah. Good work guys. So um our operating cost is twelve twenty Euros. [speaker003:] That's good. [speaker001:] Awesome. And back to our PowerPoint. So we've [disfmarker] 'Kay. Yes we are. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] So we need to do a product evaluation, again, which is probably um [disfmarker] I dunno. A different extension of a [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Of the actual project rather than the product? [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Hmm. [speaker002:] A project? Is is [disfmarker] yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah 'cause we're talking about leadership, teamwork. [speaker002:] So wh how we actually went round uh about doing it. [speaker001:] Yeah. Alright so um [disfmarker] Do you guys feel like there was room for creativity? [speaker002:] I think we were pushed. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Pushed for creativity? [speaker002:] I mean we weren't really given a lot of time, or materials, yeah, to go about our design task. [speaker003:] The ma Or materials. [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker002:] So I think we could've done with a bit more time. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Ye Okay. So it'd be like need more time and materials. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] But you were allowed m creativity? [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] I think so as like [disfmarker] but you were supposed to have creativ [speaker004:] Yeah and the conceptual and functional. Like we were very creative in in coming up with an idea I guess, but m [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. Well we were just limited by resources really [speaker004:] When we can down to it. [speaker002:] and like if we had decided to use the LCD screen, and like solar power backup and everything, then we wouldn't have been able to afford that. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker001:] Right. [speaker002:] So that did limit [speaker003:] Creativity. [speaker002:] creativity. [speaker001:] Right [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Just resources. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Okay [speaker002:] But yeah. The fruit and veg idea. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Great. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Leadership? [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah [vocalsound]. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Is this me being like, guys do you like me? Um. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Good leadership, I think we stayed on task. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah we did. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] We've, uh [disfmarker] seeing as we've come out with what we intended. A pro um a product within the budget. I think that's a sign of good leadership [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] and also our personal coach helped us along the way, [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] so you know [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] And the timing was good. [speaker002:] I think it's been fine. [speaker004:] We never were pushed for time, or sat around doing nothing, so [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. Good timing. [speaker001:] Oop [gap] Okay. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] And project manager of course. [speaker001:] Teamwork? I think we worked great as a team. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah? [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Was good teamwork. I think we are well-suited to our roles. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Alright how were our means? [speaker002:] Um [disfmarker] [speaker001:] We needed more Play Doh colours. [speaker003:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yeah and more Play Doh, 'cause that was all the red we had. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] So even if we wanted to make a bigger prototype, we wouldn't have been able to. [speaker003:] Yeah, it c it might've been bigger. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Oh really? Okay. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] But ever everything else was satisfactory? Is that good [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah. The computer programmes are good. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] The [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah. It could be really straightforward for the computer. [speaker004:] Yeah. I don't think there was anything [disfmarker] [speaker002:] I think the only thing was having to remember to you know to tick the okays [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker002:] but I think I was the only one who struggled with that. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] I'm actually not sure if I've saved my presentations. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah? [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] They'll probably still be there. [speaker002:] Uh me too. Yeah. [speaker001:] New ideas found. I don't really know what that means. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Um [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Well I think we've all learnt stuff from each other, like the n um [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah. Through discussion. [speaker002:] yeah. Just about each different [gap]. Got new ideas from each other. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] I'm not sure, new ideas found. [speaker001:] Hmm? [speaker004:] Yeah well I guess we really [disfmarker] it [disfmarker] we bounced off of each other, which was cool. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Like based on marketing stuff and then you'd say something about interface and [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] yeah, worked well. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] And we were a able to modify each other's ideas [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] to fit in with our areas of expertise. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah. Each other's [gap] [speaker004:] Oh does it have smart materials by the way? [speaker002:] Sorry? [speaker004:] Does it have smart materials? [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker002:] Oh yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Oh yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Well mm, did it come into the into [disfmarker] [speaker003:] If if it if it [disfmarker] [speaker002:] I dunno if we counted that in the costs. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] If it can be afforded. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Okay? Well with that achieved, our last slide is our closing slide. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yes our costs are within budget. [speaker002:] Yes. [speaker001:] It's evaluated generally positively. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] And um don't forget to complete final questionnaire and meeting summary. Then we celebrate [speaker002:] Uh. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] By watching TV? [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yay. [speaker002:] Fantastic. [speaker001:] in such a way that I have no idea. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Okay, brilliant. [speaker001:] Alright? [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Thank you very much. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Okay, bye. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Mm. Conclusion? Dadada.

[speaker001:] 'Kay. Hmm. Okay everybody. Welcome to the detailed design meeting. Um [disfmarker] [vocalsound] Let's see. Our agenda. Last time we discussed the squishy fruitiness of [vocalsound] our remote controls and how we might pursue that. Um and I think [disfmarker] looks like we've come up with some ideas. Um and we also talked about materials we'd use and what kind of chip would be necessary. Um so for later in the meeting I've done a a spreadsheet of production costs so we'll take a look at that. Um and see if it's changed at all from when we last discussed it. Um [vocalsound] so actually I think [disfmarker] Yeah um f [vocalsound] you guys wanna give a prototype presentation of [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Okay well um. So our design looks something like this. This being the wheel that you use to uh change channels or volume or whatever. This is a button, serves as the power button if you hold it down, and if you just tap on it I think it brings up the menu. And uh the base of the remote control, which has a squishy spongy rubbery feel, is interchangeable. So you can change the colour, according to your [disfmarker] to suit your living room or whatever. And it comes [disfmarker] [speaker003:] You could change the vegetable, or fruit. [speaker002:] yeah, I can change the vegetable. [speaker001:] Oh is that broccoli? [vocalsound] [speaker002:] This one's broccoli [vocalsound]. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] So this snaps off and you can put on whichever one you want. This is not to scale 'cause it would have the battery inside it. This is a mango. The [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] it's trendy fruit, it's not just ordinary fruits. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] You don't have orange, you have mango. Um I guess strawberry's not as trendy, but [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] 'S a very bright strawberry. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] So we'll come up with a variety of trendy and exciting fruit designs for the remote control. [speaker003:] It's been a l [speaker002:] And then people will be encouraged to buy three or five of them, because they'll need to switch 'em out. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] It's been a little bit difficult to um make sure that it's hand-holdable, and that the user can use it, you know, it's not too big. Uh but we think that this you know, this size will be okay and we will have to fit the battery case in there somehow. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Oh yeah. [speaker003:] And I guess the only other thing that we really didn't talk about was [disfmarker] or design yet actually, would be the um thing [disfmarker] the locator. How how [disfmarker] so [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Well the locator is just chip that's inside there. [speaker003:] Okay so that's just [disfmarker] [speaker002:] And the beeper's also inside there too somewhere [speaker003:] So you have to have a button on your on your [disfmarker] you have to attach the button to the [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah we didn't design that. [speaker003:] Yeah we have [disfmarker] that that has yes yet to be designed. [speaker002:] But it would be coordinating with that of course. [speaker003:] Yeah that c hey that that could you know match the handset. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] You could have a broccoli, or you could have a mango. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] So. Tada. [speaker001:] Oh. Um if you wanna look in your project documents folder, there's an Excel spreadsheet. Um the only one that's in there, production costs. And if you open it up. Um I've just stuck the numbers in, it was a real challenge there. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] But if I missed anything that we've gone over, or if you see something that has changed [disfmarker] I mean, we decided on batteries, and the regular chip would be necessary for the more advanced iPod-like button. Um [disfmarker] [vocalsound] I said uncurved or flat. I think that's what you have there, is that right? For the for the plastic part would be [disfmarker] [speaker002:] My impression was that flat meant like like one of those square remotes. But it's really not very clear, [speaker001:] Oh. Okay. [speaker002:] because you got single curve and double curve and [disfmarker] d I dunno what that means. [speaker001:] Right. [speaker002:] One side is curved and then the other side is curved. [speaker001:] Well [disfmarker] yeah. If we're talking about the area just [disfmarker] oh I d I dunno. I guess we'd have to contact the company that makes them and see. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Um so what else? There's plastic for that area around the button. Um and then rubber would be the squishy like thing right? [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Um and lots of special colours actually. [vocalsound] Uh scroll wheel. Do you see anything that I've missed? [speaker002:] No I think that's alright. [speaker001:] Okay so that would make our total of eleven point nine, which is even less than twelve point five, which means we'd be making even more of a profit. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] And if we sold a lot of squishy things. [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker001:] Boo yeah. Okay. [vocalsound] S So [disfmarker] Mm. Did y what did you work on? The [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Um evaluation criteria. [speaker001:] Okay. Do you wanna [disfmarker] [speaker004:] I've got a presentation. [speaker001:] Okay. I think that's [disfmarker] [speaker004:] So I need [disfmarker] where's the cable? Right what happens is we have to um decide whether this this whole this whole project we've been working on actually um meets the standards we were set at the start. Um. Right. This doesn't [disfmarker] okay. Um the method is [disfmarker] we [disfmarker] well I've analysed the user requirements and integrated them to the trends found in marketing reports and in our company strategy marketing. And um the findings were that we need it to look in a certain way, feel in a certain way, and this is [disfmarker] everything's listed down. Um, look in a certain way, feel in a certain way, it has to be technologically innovative and it has to be easy to use. These are all things we looked at at the start, um and criteria that have to be met. We have to use a table, I'll show you that later, together to decide whether it meets the standards. And [vocalsound] we we have therefore in total um [disfmarker] We have five [disfmarker] we have eleven points according to which this should be evaluated. And um the cri well basically the findings are the same as the evaluation criteria. I would like to show you the table we have to use. Um. No. This is the table. Can you see this here? [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] Um so the que the questions I've given you [disfmarker] c could you write that down? True is one and and false is seven. And we'll just go through each point together, hopefully. Um. I think if each of us gives an opinion then they can be mixed somehow. I dunno how it works exactly, I haven't been told. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah. Is it possible that we can bring this up on our own [disfmarker] [gap] [speaker004:] Yeah it's in the um [disfmarker] it's in the project documents. [speaker003:] Is it meeting three minutes? No it's not minutes. [speaker004:] It's called evaluation criteria. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker004:] And it's under evaluation. [speaker001:] Huh, the PowerPoint one? [speaker002:] Hmm? [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Okay. Cool. [speaker004:] You've found it all? [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] So it was um [disfmarker] Yeah true's one. [speaker003:] True's one and false is seven. [speaker004:] Do you want us to discuss this together or do you want us to do it singly? [speaker001:] Um we can do it separately and then discuss it [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah okay. [speaker001:] if if that's what people wanna do. [speaker003:] So it's actually a scale. [speaker001:] Wait, one is true and [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Um, [speaker001:] so these are the questions we're answering. [speaker004:] yes [speaker001:] And one is [disfmarker] [speaker004:] it's [disfmarker] if it's fancy you put one, [speaker001:] One, right okay. [speaker004:] if it's really unfancy it's seven. [speaker001:] If it's somewhere in between you put four. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah, something. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Does it feel fancy? [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Feels like play-dough. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] No. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] They shouldn't really be questions. Should be more like [disfmarker] Are the batteries easy to insert? [vocalsound] [speaker002:] I'm gonna say yes. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yes? Very very true. Okay. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] I imagine they're somewhere on the front. We have a little case that you slip 'em in. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker001:] Are we just about ready? [speaker004:] Apparently I'm supposed to use the whiteboard. Do we [disfmarker] um is it necessary? [speaker001:] I don't think so. It's [disfmarker] [speaker004:] We'll just do um [disfmarker] [speaker001:] yeah the the marker thing kinda stopped working last time we [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yeah. Okay. [speaker004:] Yeah. Okay. [speaker001:] Our animals will forever be there. [vocalsound] Un unless you feel you need it t to [disfmarker] [speaker004:] I don't feel any [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] okay okay. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] We'll [disfmarker] [speaker004:] right um [disfmarker] Right so one point one? We'll just go in a circle. [speaker003:] One. [speaker002:] 'Kay Five. [speaker004:] Right. Ooh I don't know. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Right. One? [speaker002:] Five. [speaker001:] Five. [speaker004:] Five. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Two. Okay so do we just add it up and divide it by four? Is that what the company does? [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] I I think we should [disfmarker] [speaker002:] It's four if you wanna do that. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah? [speaker002:] It adds to sixteen, so that's four. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Oh no. It adds to thirteen. One five five two. [speaker002:] Oh I thought she said five. [speaker003:] Hmm. [speaker004:] One five five two is thirteen, over four for now. I think that's um [disfmarker] next? [speaker003:] Um three. [speaker002:] Six. [speaker001:] Six. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Really? [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Two. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] I wasn't cheating I swear. [speaker004:] Uh-oh. Right. One point three is [disfmarker] [speaker003:] So it's a one was true and seven was false? [gap] Okay, so you guys really didn't like it? [speaker002:] Huh? [speaker001:] Uh. [speaker004:] Yeah. I really [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Oh I thought it was the other way round. [speaker002:] Wait a minute. I thought it was the other way round too. [speaker004:] Well uh [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] So we do have about the same thing, we just have it the other way [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Sh Yeah I I was thinking one means no points, you know, all the way up to the top [vocalsound]. [speaker004:] Yeah yeah. It was one is true and [vocalsound] false is seven. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] I should've kept the table up. [speaker001:] Oh gosh. Okay. Well [disfmarker] [speaker002:] I'll just I'll just reverse them all. It's no problem. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Right, well I'm glad this came out. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] I thought you guys hated it. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] I was like, why did you guys design it that way if you hated it? [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah. [vocalsound] No. [speaker003:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Oh that's quite funny [vocalsound]. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker004:] Okay. [gap] [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Okay. So, starting again, one point one? [speaker003:] One. [speaker002:] Say two. [speaker001:] Three. [speaker004:] Two. Okay, one point two? [speaker003:] Uh three. [speaker002:] Two. [speaker001:] Two. [speaker004:] Two. Okay. Um, one point three? [speaker003:] One. [speaker001:] One. [speaker002:] One. [speaker004:] Ha. [vocalsound] Two point one? [speaker003:] Uh two. [speaker001:] Two. [speaker002:] Uh two. [speaker001:] Two point [disfmarker] I think I missed two. [vocalsound] Wait, is that two point one? [speaker002:] Yeah I put it down as one point four for some reason. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] One point four, one point five. Okay right [speaker004:] Oh dear, okay. Sorry. [speaker001:] that's [disfmarker] I have two of them. [speaker002:] Mine has all kinds of problems. [speaker004:] Two and one. Sorry about that. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] T two point two, which is one point five. [speaker001:] One. [speaker002:] Uh three. Wait why did I put three? [speaker003:] Uh one. [speaker002:] I meant one on mine too. [speaker004:] Okay. Three point one. Is that correct on my slide? [speaker001:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah? [speaker003:] Uh one. [speaker002:] Three point one. I have four. [speaker001:] Three. [speaker004:] One, four, three, three, three point two? [speaker002:] Three. [speaker001:] Three. [speaker003:] Uh. One. [speaker004:] Three point three. [speaker003:] One. [speaker002:] One. [speaker001:] Two. [speaker004:] Four point one? [speaker003:] One. [speaker002:] Two. [speaker001:] Five. [speaker004:] Two. Four point two. [speaker003:] Two. [speaker002:] Three. [speaker001:] Four. [speaker004:] Two and four point three. [speaker002:] Two. [speaker004:] One, two. [speaker003:] One. [speaker001:] Two. [speaker004:] Right so I put one on that. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Okay I'll um I'll just do the calculations now if you want to continue. [speaker001:] Okay. Um [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Or is it tedious? I'm I'm sorry this was so tedious for everyone. [speaker001:] No no that's um [disfmarker] [speaker004:] I didn't know how else to do it. [speaker001:] I think we should look at the ones that [vocalsound] like where s where people said four, where [disfmarker] um it looks like we might wanna discuss changing an aspect of the remote. [speaker004:] Okay. Well the worst ones were three point one. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] Do [disfmarker] does every ones have the slide? Three point one. [speaker001:] The [disfmarker] that was material. [speaker004:] Slide show. Material [vocalsound] technologically innovative, okay. Um, [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker004:] do you want to change it? What are the suggestions? I don't know, anyone? [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Um [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Which one is that again sorry? Three point one? [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] Yeah that [disfmarker] it's three point one was not that good. Four point one. [speaker001:] Does the shape [disfmarker] [speaker004:] The shape. [speaker003:] I think [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Four point two? [speaker001:] See I'm having I'm having trouble imagining the [disfmarker] is it uh gonna be the size, like the the controller? It [disfmarker] [speaker002:] I think the wheel would probably be [disfmarker] mm. [speaker001:] or bigger? Because [disfmarker] [speaker003:] What if we just smash all the vegetables down flat? [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] And like then it [disfmarker] you could hold it in your hand better. [speaker002:] I think the base would definitely be larger, 'cause some of these are not as easy to hold. They're kinda smallish. [speaker001:] Yeah. No but I imagine even if it was bigger, like if it's round and it's big then you you can't get [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] that's why remote controls are long because you have that thumb kind of [disfmarker] [speaker003:] The flat one. Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] so c they could all be bananas and cucumbers. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Um but I don't s I I personally don't think this is comfortable to to sit there, like it's an awkward position. [speaker003:] I didn't [disfmarker] yeah. But like if if you just squash them flat like and you made it flat [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Well if they're that s uh stress ball stuff they would be pretty squishable. [speaker003:] But it's still too big I think, in your hand. Yeah. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] Yeah. And would it even resemble fruit that way? [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] I mean [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah like certain ones [disfmarker] you'd have to limit the fruit selection, [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] like you could probably do a strawberry still. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] I think the broccoli would be out. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] You could do [gap], although the broccoli is quite comfortable, I have to say, like [disfmarker] sorta like a joystick. [speaker001:] Yeah that I I [disfmarker] when you were holding that before, it actually looked [disfmarker] yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. That looked really good. [speaker003:] I don't know. So [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Are there any fruits that look like broccoli, no? [speaker003:] Uh. [speaker002:] Not that I can think of. Rhubarb. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] I think that broccoli is my favourite actually. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Rhubarb. [vocalsound] These obscure fruits. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Uh despite the [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] I think we needn't [disfmarker] [speaker001:] What if um the [disfmarker] it was just patterns on like [disfmarker] we we chose the shape or the sh shape could be whatever we wanted and then it would just be like a design on the rubber. [speaker003:] Huh? [speaker001:] You know like like just a printed yeah or coloured yeah. [speaker003:] Oh okay. [speaker002:] So it's just colour, and not necessarily the shape of a strawberry. [speaker003:] Yeah. That could work. [speaker004:] Yeah. [gap] [speaker001:] Or I mean we could even have fruit like around [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] I mean [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah. I dunno. [speaker001:] But if we if we need [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah and just have the colour match or something. [speaker001:] yeah. And if we wanna incorporate the fruit thing somehow, there might be [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] I mean if it if it in if it uh conflicts with the comfort of actually holdi holding the [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah. 'Cause yeah no-one wants to hold a remote that's uncomfortable obviously. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Mm. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker003:] Or like [disfmarker] I dunno, [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] some of 'em you can kind of think [disfmarker] see as like [disfmarker] like you could [disfmarker] if it was only this [disfmarker] you know, if it was shaped like that, and it just had that. But you see the problem is you have to attach that, and this has to be detachable. [speaker001:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker003:] So like maybe that's just too big [speaker001:] Well see th the reason the broccoli works is you can kinda hold it like that, [speaker003:] because [disfmarker] Yeah it's sorta like a joystick. [speaker001:] which is a nice kind of [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] yeah. But [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [gap] I dunno. I guess [disfmarker] [speaker001:] I mean is there some way we could make it this kind of shape? 'Cause like kind of [disfmarker] [speaker002:] We could make it that shape but just have different colours, and call 'em the different fruits. [speaker001:] Yeah, yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Or like even [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Dif [speaker002:] We went with shape because we were having fun with the play-dough. [speaker001:] Or even like [disfmarker] Yeah like you said, like a joystick like that. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] You know? [speaker003:] Yeah. Like uh we could do [disfmarker] I'm trying to think of other sha like fruits that are oddly shaped. [speaker001:] 'Cause that, I think [disfmarker] I mean that fits the whole round iPod idea. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] And you still have the comfort of holding it like that. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker001:] And you could [disfmarker] like if it's like this, you could put fruit designs and stuff on that part. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah. Yeah. Alright. [speaker001:] But I mean it [disfmarker] do we have any other ideas about that? [speaker004:] Um [disfmarker] [speaker003:] We could tr I don't know. [speaker004:] Think the critical ones came out to be [disfmarker] yeah that one. [vocalsound]. Batteries easy to insert for some reason, [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] which can be easily [disfmarker] I think that's not a problem any more. [speaker001:] The batteries are going in the back? [speaker002:] That [disfmarker] everyone gave that a one or a two. Yeah they'd probably be either on the front or the side of the remote. [speaker004:] No. [speaker001:] The reason I I ga I didn't give it a one [disfmarker] I think I gave it a three because I thought you'd have to like unc clip [disfmarker] [speaker002:] No I imagine there'd be sort of a hatch door, [speaker001:] no you could [disfmarker] Just like any other one. [speaker002:] yeah um like on a normal remote. [speaker001:] Okay. Yeah. Right. [speaker002:] So it would probably either in the f no it can't be in the front 'cause the IR's right there, but it'd be on one of the sides probably. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] I think everyone's under three anyway. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker004:] So I think it's [disfmarker] yeah those are the only two points. [speaker003:] Cool. Well [disfmarker] Yeah the broccoli I guess wins. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah I'd agree with changing the shape. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Um, I was just having fun making strawberries and stuff. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Okay. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] We were a bit off task. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Um so uh I can't think of any [disfmarker] So we'll have to like [disfmarker] [vocalsound] Mm. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah I dunno. You could make the touch pad in th in different shapes, but then that kind of re-designs the whole project like, but you could do like [disfmarker] [speaker002:] It might also sort of annoy people if we get used to having the buttons in one shape. [speaker003:] Yeah that's true. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] And it would probably cost more to produce, 'cause they're irregular. [speaker003:] Yeah that's true. Mm. [speaker002:] I bet having different colours is a lot cheaper than having different shapes too. [speaker001:] Yeah. Which is why printing might be like [disfmarker] just printing the fruit on [disfmarker] [vocalsound] fruit. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Hmm. [speaker001:] Mm. [vocalsound] Not really [disfmarker] Well we've done finance evaluation criteria, production evaluation. [vocalsound] Um so project evaluation. [speaker004:] Do you want this and we can all [disfmarker] [vocalsound] No. [speaker001:] I guess we're supposed to discuss um the prod the process of the project and how satisfied [disfmarker] oh, oh it's alright. Uh. Yeah. [speaker004:] It's alright yeah? [speaker001:] Um [disfmarker] Did you feel there was a lot of room for creativity in the sort of [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Sure. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] I did. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] I mean fruit and squishiness. How c more creative can you get? [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Sponginess. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] The prototype making was very creatively stimulating [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] and I think we've come up with a product that's fun and meets all the criteria [vocalsound]. [speaker001:] And how was our leadership and teamwork? [vocalsound] [speaker002:] I think it was good. We knew what we were doing. It was a very democratic process and everyone got to contribute. [speaker001:] Well I thought my leadership was crap personally. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Well you told us when to start and when to end, and that's all that matters. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Excuse me, am I allowed to say that? Yeah. [vocalsound] Um. [speaker003:] I think you were fine. You did a good job leading. [speaker001:] Yeah, well I'm never gonna do a management position, I know that now. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Um yeah, I thought we all worked very well together. [speaker004:] Yeah we didn't [disfmarker] we [disfmarker] uh it all c sort of blended quite well. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah I think it more than anything we didn't really have our set roles so much, as we just would be like [vocalsound] I don't know, all had ideas about it but [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah. Very democratic. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] yeah. [speaker001:] No spats, that was good. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] No. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Um and the means for like [disfmarker] the materials we used, how convenient were they? Like the the pens, the whiteboard, [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] I mean we used [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Well I'm not a big fan of any Microsoft, PowerPoint or any of this stuff. [speaker001:] Are you a Mac person? [vocalsound] [speaker002:] No no I never touch Macs either. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] I just use the Unix or the off market, sort of WordPerfect and all these other things. [speaker001:] Huh. [speaker003:] Hmm. [speaker004:] Which isn't very user-friendly though. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Well the problem is if you don't [disfmarker] like my new computer never has WordPerfect so I have to go track someone down who has an old disk and then I have to reinstall it. So I have all these documents I can't use now. But yeah I mean I guess it's okay. [speaker003:] I felt like my [disfmarker] I dunno if it was just my role, but l but uh I di I thought that my [disfmarker] the information that was available to me was kind of just like [disfmarker] or maybe it was just the idea that we had. But there's kinda [disfmarker] it was kinda like okay, I don't really think [disfmarker] I dunno what I'm doing here. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker003:] So I didn't really think it was helpful. So I kind of just made up my own stuff and I didn't really like the PowerPoint presentations, [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] so I kind of wrote a lot of notes instead. But yeah I d I don't really like PowerPoint personally, [vocalsound] think it's kinda stupid. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. I never use it. [speaker003:] Yeah but uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] I can't say I found everything particularly helpful. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Like I [disfmarker] [speaker003:] It didn't really [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] yeah. [speaker001:] It [disfmarker] [speaker004:] I though it was brilliant no? [vocalsound] [speaker002:] My first bit of information was like this child's drawn picture of how a remote works. [speaker001:] Really? [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] No mine was really helpful as in my stuff was quite helpful I think. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah it probably does. [speaker003:] So like a f [speaker001:] I mean m my problem [disfmarker] [speaker004:] I think it depends on the role no? [speaker003:] Yeah I think so. [speaker001:] yeah, yeah. 'Cause my problem was, you guys had access to like [disfmarker] they'd put [disfmarker] send you to sites and stuff right? [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] See I couldn't do that, so I didn't really know what you guys were doing. And when you were talking about it I was just like [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] you know that's wh that's why I seemed so ignorant when when you were j explaining things, 'cause I [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah well mine was mostly made up except when they told me like you know titanium costs more than wood to make a remote control. [speaker001:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] As if you'd wanted to. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] But it must have been quite difficult for them to build a whole um [speaker001:] System. [speaker004:] a whole system, [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] 'cause of course they can't give you uh uh anything comparable to the internet for the [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah I mean, it [gap] [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Well I think it's interesting how it all went together, like I had the stuff about how me how rubber's cheap, and you have how people want it to be spongy, and [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah, yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah, huh. [speaker002:] It seems planned you know. [speaker001:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah I kinda thought that um [disfmarker] I felt like I would go and like try to use my information, or like I'd make this stupid little presentation and then like I just would end up talking about something completely unrelated [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] because [disfmarker] [vocalsound] I dunno [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] I felt like I was off-task all the time. But um [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Well I mean we really got into talking about like personal practicalit like it wasn't necessarily what was like [disfmarker] we would never have thought of fruit or sponginess you know? [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker004:] No. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] So it's [disfmarker] [speaker002:] If I hadn't been told that fruit was [disfmarker] [speaker004:] But I think that [vocalsound] it it might be to see whether people actually all come up with the same thing. [speaker001:] Oh right. given certain information or [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah, like if everyone's given the same input [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Just [disfmarker] yeah. [speaker004:] I don't have a clue, anyway. [speaker001:] Mm, mm. [speaker004:] Um what's next? Looks like [disfmarker] oh no that's not um [disfmarker] It's quite [disfmarker] [speaker001:] What do you guys think of the pens? It asks about that. [speaker002:] They're pretty cool. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker002:] They're kinda hard to write with though. [speaker003:] I wanna s [speaker001:] Yeah [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] and I I've f forgotten once or twice to [vocalsound] check the box. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] I I'd like to see what what it looks like on the [disfmarker] [speaker002:] They're nicer than the pen that I'm using, because like your stuff actually shows up here, rather than having to look at the screen and write. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker002:] But even so, I dunno. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] And new ideas found? [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah it's all very new, [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker004:] no? It's all very new. [speaker003:] Yeah I think I'd like to um [vocalsound] [disfmarker] I dunno. Like it was [disfmarker] the [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Sorry. [speaker003:] I think the microphones are okay when you're sitting down, but like they're kinda clumsy I guess when you're [disfmarker] like when you're s going up to the whiteboard like. [speaker002:] Oh yeah. Well they drop off if you like move too much. [speaker003:] Yeah I dunno. But they're they're okay. [speaker002:] But I don't think we're supposed to be testing these microphones. Maybe we are. I don't know. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Uh I think, and I think that uh [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker003:] all this technology like [disfmarker] I guess some people must be interested in using it but I can't imagine finding it any more useful than like looking at someone's notes, [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Well the thing is, like I actually worked in a company, [speaker003:] or like [disfmarker] I dunno. [speaker002:] and I had a role and I had to go to meetings. And like the last thing I would have wanted would be to have to watch a video 'cause I missed a meeting. Like usually I missed meetings deliberately. There's just [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] there's really not that much information that actually goes through a real meeting, like when you're actually at a real meeting in a real company. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Hm. [speaker002:] It's mostly like rehashing old stuff. And you're sort of going over general stuff that anybody who's sort of on task should already know. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] It's like the [disfmarker] there's just really not a lot of information that goes through. [speaker001:] Seems kind of like an excessive reiteration. [speaker002:] It seems like way overkill. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Like if I missed a meeting I could probably get it summed up in like one sentence. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] I wouldn't need to have to watch like a t two hour video with the sound and the transcript and [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] I guess it would be [disfmarker] it's gotta be worth it to [disfmarker] I [disfmarker] 'cause I'm just mostly curious about like what kind of person or like company would would really find it useful, 'cause can't really imagine, dunno. How about a p [vocalsound] a [gap] [vocalsound]? [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Um I dunno. [speaker001:] Well does anyone wanna talk about fruit more while we still have time? [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Any other ideas for [disfmarker] [speaker004:] What what's the end? Are we are we supposed to um [disfmarker] you supposed to write a report? Or we ending? [speaker001:] Um we still have time if there's any other input. [speaker004:] Is that the end? [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] I mean the [disfmarker] I think we did really well personally, which is why we've you know, gone through this so quickly. 'Cause I mean we've all [disfmarker] we all kind of agreed our product is satisfactory, it fits the budget, and it's trendy. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [gap] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] So. Um. [speaker004:] End of meeting. You have to tell her, she [disfmarker] [speaker001:] So I think that's all for today. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Okay we have to fill in all this stuff. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Stuff stuff stuff. [speaker003:] M meeting adjourned. [speaker001:] Meeting adjourned. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] I think I've learned not to bring play-dough to meetings. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] I think it would be a good idea, I like it. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] It's hard enough to get people actually paying attention. Especially if you have food. [speaker001:] So I guess we're supposed to write final reports. 'Cause [disfmarker] [speaker002:] All of us? [speaker001:] I don't know. Hmm. [speaker004:] Well there's al eight, nine. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Ooh. Oh ooh. [speaker001:] Hmm. Or is that just me? [vocalsound]

[speaker002:] Okay we all all set? Right. Well this is the uh final detailed design meeting. Um we're gonna discuss the look and feel design, the user interface design, and we're gonna evaluate the product. And the end result of this meeting has to be a decision on the details of this remote control, like absolute final decision, um and then I'm gonna have to specify the final design in the final report. So um just from from last time to recap, we said we were gonna have a snowman shaped remote control with no LCD display, no need for talk-back, it was hopefully gonna be kinetic power and battery uh with rubber buttons, maybe backlighting the buttons with some internal LEDs to shine through the casing, um hopefully a jog-dial, and incorporating the slogan somewhere as well. Anything I've missed? [speaker001:] No. [speaker002:] Okay um so uh if you want to present your prototype go ahead. [speaker004:] Uh-oh. This is it? [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Ninja Homer, made in Japan. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Um, there are a few changes we've made. Um, well look at the expense sheet, and uh it turned to be quite a lot expensive to have open up and have lots of buttons and stuff inside, [speaker002:] Okay. Mm. Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] so instead we've um [disfmarker] this is gonna be an LCD screen, um just a a very very basic one, very small um with access to the menu through the the scroll wheel and uh confirm um button. [speaker003:] Mm 'kay. [speaker004:] Uh, apart from that, it's just pretty much the same as we discussed last time. [speaker001:] And there isn't uh d it doesn't open up to the advanced functions? the advanced functions are still hidden from you, but they're hidden in the sense that um they're not in use. [speaker003:] Where are they? [speaker001:] Um they're in the LCD panel and the jog-dial? [speaker003:] Ah, right. [speaker001:] Okay 'cause [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Great. [speaker002:] So w what kind of thing uh is gonna be [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] The LCD panel just displays um functionally what you're doing. If you're using an advanced function right, like um c brightness, contrast, whatever, it will just say [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Right. Okay. [speaker001:] You know it's like it only has four columns, it's a very simple LCD like, [speaker003:] Right. [speaker001:] whereas many [disfmarker] the minimum amount we need that the user will automatically know like this is brightness or this is contrast. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] Right, 'kay. [speaker002:] Okay cool. [speaker001:] It might even be one, a bit more complex LCD panel with pictures like maybe the sun or the, you know, the the symbols of the various functions. [speaker003:] Okay Mm-hmm, [speaker002:] Oh right okay. [speaker003:] and what is this here? [speaker002:] Cool. [speaker001:] That's a number pad. [speaker003:] Okay so the number pad is [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Where are we gonna have the slogan? [speaker003:] 'Kay, great. [speaker001:] Um they're al along this [disfmarker] [speaker004:] You know, just like right inside there. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Okay cool. [speaker001:] You have this space here, and then you have this thing on the side as well, or at the bottom. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker001:] 'Cause slogans are usually quite small, right, they're not like huge [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker001:] so they're s [speaker003:] Yep. [speaker001:] Say a button's about [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker003:] Looks good. [speaker001:] say a button's about this size, right, [speaker003:] Yep. [speaker001:] so you would still have plenty of space for a slogan, say even for that. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] So if this isn't to scale, what kind of dimensions are you thinking about here? [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Well [vocalsound] we want the other buttons to be big enough to push easily with a finger [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] so we reckon maybe that'll be about the same size as the palm of your hand. [gap] [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker001:] Yep so that would be about a centimetre for a button, so one two three four centimetres. Plus maybe half o five [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. About nine in total. [speaker001:] six seven eight, [speaker002:] Six, seven, eight, nine, ten. [speaker001:] about yeah nine total. [speaker002:] So we're talking about ten centimetres. [speaker003:] That sounds good. Yeah. [speaker002:] That would be good. [speaker003:] Yep. [speaker002:] So ten centimetres in height. [speaker001:] Nine, ten. Yep. [speaker002:] Okay um [vocalsound]. [speaker003:] That'd be good, in fact a pen is about ten centimetres usually, so that would be [disfmarker] that sounds like a really good size, if you see it there. [speaker002:] Yeah. That's great and it's very bright as well. [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker002:] So um okay. [speaker003:] Is it possible [disfmarker] uh I'm just gonna bring up the idea of colours. Is these are these the colours that [disfmarker] of production, or is this just what we had available? [speaker004:] Well I'm [disfmarker] We're gonna have again the the sort of the foggy um yellow from last time that lit up when you pushed the button. [speaker003:] Right. [speaker004:] Um [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Okay so just [disfmarker] could you just list all the things that it does s so I can write them in the report. [speaker004:] But um [vocalsound] this button um, because it's red it's sort of very prominent, we're gonna use it as uh [disfmarker] it can be the power button if you hold it for maybe two seconds it'll send a stand-by signal. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Excuse me. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] Um apart from that it's gonna be used as a confirm button for the LCD screen [speaker001:] Sure. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker004:] and you use this as a jog-dial. [speaker002:] Okay so that's like an okay button, right. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Oh we've discussed how h high it is, but how wide is it? [vocalsound] [speaker004:] I don't know. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker003:] How high is it? [speaker001:] No as in the height, but what about the width? [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Didn't put five centimetres. [speaker002:] Oh oh like depth of the actual thing. [speaker001:] Do we need five? I don't think five is [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Um. [speaker001:] be about th three and a half. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker004:] Something by there. [speaker002:] Oh is this k to get an idea of scale from your from your thing there okay. [speaker001:] Yeah, yeah. [speaker003:] Sure. [speaker002:] So you can power on and off, [speaker003:] Three and a half. [speaker002:] what else can you do? [speaker004:] Um you can skip straight to a channel using these buttons. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker004:] Um, were gonna have the volume control here, but um because we've got the the LCD and the jog-dial we just thought we'd um use that as the volume. [speaker002:] Okay jog-dial for volume. And what else do you do with the jog-dial? [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] Um you can use it for um more advanced functions like contrast, colour and [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Contrast, brightness, [speaker004:] Um yeah. [speaker002:] yeah, and anything else? [speaker004:] Um just whatever else we wanted to include as the advanced functions, um we didn't actually go through and specify the [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Well of the designers what are they? [speaker004:] Uh what can a TV do? [speaker001:] Okay things like um brightness, contrast, [speaker002:] Uh-huh. [speaker001:] um maybe tuning the channels. [speaker002:] Okay channel tuning. [speaker001:] Um. [speaker002:] That's a good one. [speaker001:] What else? Um the various inputs. Are you having a VCR, are you having [disfmarker] you know which input do you have? [speaker003:] Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Okay auxiliary inputs. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm, probably colour or sharpness. [speaker001:] Um. Yep, colour, sharpness. [speaker002:] Sharpness. [speaker001:] Um a lot of these things will have to be um free and open for users to define them. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Okay what about uh sound settings Uh d can you change any of those at all? [speaker003:] Audio. [speaker001:] Audio, we have like your basic y your base, your mid-range, your high range. [speaker004:] Um. [gap] the the balance hmm. [speaker001:] Um. Yep, left-right balance, um maybe even pre-programmed sound modes, like um the user could determine like a series of sound modes, [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] and then what could happen would be um when you click on that then it would go to that setting. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Okay, [speaker003:] Mm 'kay. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] is there anything else at all it can do? That [disfmarker] 'cause that's that's fine. Just need to know so I can write it down. Okay um right I g I guess that's it, so we can now um [vocalsound] [disfmarker] We can now have a little look at the the Excel sheet and price listing, and see if we need to [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] um if we need to rethink anything at all. So um for this first part here power-wise, have we got battery? [speaker001:] The battery. [speaker002:] Do we have kinetic as well? [speaker001:] No. [speaker002:] No. Okay, [speaker001:] Um. [speaker002:] just battery. [speaker001:] We need an [disfmarker] [speaker002:] And that's because of cost restraints is it? [speaker001:] Yep. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Okay um what about the electronics here? [speaker001:] Yeah advanced chip. We need an advanced chip I think, yep. [speaker002:] Advanced chip. [speaker001:] Let me just confirm that. Yes I think so. Yep. [speaker002:] Okay um the case, what does it mean by single and double, do you know? [speaker004:] Um I think single would just be sort of one sort of oval whereas double is this sort of thing. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] So we want double-curved? [speaker001:] Yep. [speaker002:] Okay. Um. [speaker001:] Plastic. [speaker002:] Is there any rubber at all in the buttons or any [speaker001:] I think we're gonna have to skip the rubber. [speaker002:] Okay, [speaker001:] Um. [speaker002:] um and we wanted special colours didn't we? [speaker001:] Yep. [speaker002:] So I'll have to put that [disfmarker] Oh no wait we [disfmarker] ho how many colours have we got there? [speaker001:] For the case itself, one colour. It's one special colour. [speaker002:] Just one colour, okay. [speaker001:] 'Cause the case unit itself, the rest of our components go on top of it. [speaker002:] Okay [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker002:] so interface-wise, is it this third option we have, the two of them there? [speaker001:] Yes. One and the LC display. [speaker002:] Okay and then buttons, we have what, two colours? [speaker001:] How many [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Um we have um got some push buttons as well. [speaker003:] Or even clear. [speaker001:] We've got push buttons as well. [speaker002:] Like uh oh wait [speaker004:] 'Kay. [speaker002:] so push button and integrated scroll wheel push okay. [speaker004:] So I reckon we've got one button for this thing 'cause it's just one big sheet of rubber. [speaker002:] Uh-huh. [speaker004:] I'm not sure if that counts but [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] Okay let's just be safe and put like say four buttons for that one. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] Okay um and maybe a special colour for the buttons, so maybe four again. [speaker002:] Four. [speaker004:] You can see we're we're all very far beyond the [disfmarker] [speaker002:] So w why are we arriving at the number four? Where does the number four come from? [speaker001:] 'Cause that's one button by its the complexity of twelve buttons. [speaker002:] Okay right, so we're writing down four. [speaker001:] So we're just estimating that yeah it would be less. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Okay. How about these? Are we wanting them in [disfmarker] [speaker001:] No. [speaker002:] no they're just [disfmarker] is everything gonna be plastic? [speaker001:] Yep. Yep. [speaker002:] Okay. So we're w w quite far over. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Now we're gonna [disfmarker] something's gonna have to go. Um we're at sixteen point eight and [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Uh how mm-hmm [disfmarker] how are we going to achieve this high-end product if [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Well we h something has to go to the tune of two point t three Euro, [speaker003:] We only have very sparse [disfmarker] [speaker002:] so let me see, what are we [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Two point three? [speaker002:] I mean [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Four point three no? [speaker002:] oh yes sorry, four point three. My maths is all out. [speaker004:] Well we could take out ones by making it single curved, just fill in those bits. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] And then where is the [disfmarker] [speaker001:] How much would that save us? [speaker002:] How much would that save us? [speaker001:] That will only save you one. [speaker004:] That is one. [speaker002:] One. [speaker001:] The other thing could be that um you could take away the LCD panel and the advanced chip together, um because when you do something on the TV, the TV responds and reacts as well, [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] so the user could be looking at the TV and pushing his thing [speaker004:] That's fair enough, yeah. [speaker001:] so we may not need to [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] so when we scroll we need just some way to get the TV to respond, [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Okay so [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] which I think is a technically doable thing so [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] So w what's our reviewed suggestion? [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Um take away the LC display? [speaker001:] Yep. And the advanced chip goes away as well. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] To be replaced with a [speaker001:] Regular chip. [speaker002:] regular chip. [speaker001:] Yep. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] So what that means is that um [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] And so we've got point three to get rid of. Um and we ha where are the four [disfmarker] the four push buttons are where exactly now? [speaker001:] The twelve buttons that you see there [vocalsound]. [speaker002:] Twelve buttons. [speaker004:] That's um one piece of rubber but it's gonna have twelve button things underneath so [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Functionally you're gonna have to intercept [disfmarker] So four is a good estimate for [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Do you think? [speaker001:] Yeah, so you can't actually cut [vocalsound] [disfmarker] It's like three times the number of buttons, four, eight, twelve. [speaker002:] Like is is that one big button or is it twelve buttons, how can it be something in between? [speaker001:] It [disfmarker] It needs to be more than one big button because if you open up your phone, underneath there's actually one button underneath, it's just that the panel itself is a single panel. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Okay well we have point three to get rid of somewhere. [speaker001:] We just report that it has to be over budget [vocalsound], [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] or the colours, you could take away s colours for th for the buttons. [speaker002:] No can do. [speaker003:] Yeah we could just go with um [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah w [speaker001:] Normal coloured buttons. [speaker002:] Well do you want colour differentiation here? [speaker001:] No that's not the button we're talking about. [speaker004:] Um [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Oh yeah sorry yeah then. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] That's [disfmarker] the buttons only refer to the pad so [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Right so [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Should we take that off uh? [speaker002:] Ah. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Hey it's back to the original. [speaker002:] That's it. [speaker003:] Hmm. [speaker001:] Um so then these just become normal coloured buttons, [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] so that might be some some way of cutting the cost. [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker002:] Okay, ach that's a shame. [vocalsound] Um right, so take away that completely? Ah. And now we're under budget. So we do have point five Euro to play with if we wanted. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] So I reckon [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Um [disfmarker] [speaker003:] How about with embossing the logo, isn't that going to cost us some money? [speaker002:] Doesn't say so. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah. That's a freebie. [speaker004:] Reckon that probably counts as a special form for the buttons. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah that's a good idea. Just one? Does that mean that one button has a special form or [disfmarker] [speaker004:] I think [gap] there's just one button so [speaker002:] Yeah okay. [speaker004:] handy [vocalsound]. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Well well there we go. So I'm just gonna have to redraw this now. So we're not gonna have the LCD anymore, and we'll just gonna have an on t on the TV it'll show you what you're doing, which I think is fair enough, and so this is gonna be one big thing here. Um. [speaker003:] Was the goal in your in your prototype design that it be as low profile as possible? [speaker001:] What do you mean by profile? [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Sort of flat as possible. [speaker001:] No. [speaker004:] You see I envision it as being um quite deep sort of [vocalsound] deep enough to be comfy to hold in your hands rather than being wide and flat. [speaker003:] Yeah. Yeah that's what I was thinking, to Sure, okay. [speaker001:] We didn't have enough Play-Doh to make it three D. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah alright yeah fair enough. Okay, just thought I'd ask. [speaker001:] So there's one more dimension to the thing which we need to to add, [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] and you might want to add in the report, length, width, and height. [speaker002:] Right okay. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] So just to well to be thorough then, width-wise we're looking at about what three centimetres or something? [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Okay and then so height-wise [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Hmm. [speaker002:] How how tall do you envisage it being? About that big? [speaker004:] Yeah it works, yeah. [speaker001:] Two. [speaker002:] About two centimetres, okay. [speaker003:] Two's not very high at all though. Maybe a bit higher? [speaker001:] This is about this is about two. Slightly more than two, so [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker004:] See, about that thick. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker003:] Maybe closer to three even or two and a half. [speaker002:] Ach, that is [disfmarker] Yeah. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] Okay we'll s we'll say two point five. Okay um so we have it within cost anyway. Um so yeah project evaluation is this point. Um. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Right uh. Okay so can we close that? This is what it's [disfmarker] the final spec that it's gonna be. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Someone is gonna have to [disfmarker] yeah that's fine that's fine. [speaker003:] Um it's probably just [disfmarker] I dunno if it's worth getting into, but um just in in that we want this to be stylish, should we think a little bit more out of the box in terms of a button grid, because I've seen there's lots of devices out there that that instead of taking your standard nine nine square grid, and they have it sort of stylized or in different concept that that [disfmarker] [speaker001:] I think that's something that's very hard to catch, [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] so you you restrict the number of people who wanna try something. [speaker003:] Sure, okay. [speaker001:] The the look and the colour is something which is cool, [speaker003:] Yeah, alright. [speaker001:] but I think that there's also that factor of if it's too unfamiliar [speaker003:] Okay, sure. [speaker001:] then um [disfmarker] because when you put it on the shelf [disfmarker] [speaker003:] What about button shape? Square buttons? [speaker001:] Yeah button shape might be a good idea to change, rather than rather than positioning, [speaker003:] Okay. Yeah. [speaker001:] 'cause I think positioning is [disfmarker] we're kinda engrained into the the telephone kind of [speaker003:] Sure. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker001:] pad. [speaker002:] Right um. So at this point we uh, let me see, discuss uh how satisfied we all are with um with these four points, with the room for creativity in the project, and leadership and teamwork, and the stuff we had around us I guess. [speaker003:] Mm 'kay. [speaker002:] Um, let me see uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Do you want me to d um [disfmarker] [vocalsound] Do you want me to do my um design evaluation last? [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah I wasn't really sure what that was [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Maybe we should do the design evaluation first. [speaker003:] Or [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah [speaker003:] Evaluation. [speaker002:] yeah go for that first. I wasn't entirely sure what uh [disfmarker] who was supposed to be doing that, [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker002:] but y you go for it. [speaker003:] Sure. Um, alright so the way this works, I'm gonna need to plug into PowerPoint, [speaker002:] [gap] Okay. [speaker003:] I'll try and do it as quick as possible. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker003:] Um, this is um [disfmarker] I'll just go over your head if that's okay. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] I don't think you need the power, [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] so [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] What's that? [speaker001:] No, that's okay that's okay. [speaker003:] I don't need the PowerPoint? [speaker001:] No, the power cord itself. [speaker003:] Oh [gap] course, [speaker001:] Yeah, [speaker003:] yeah that's true. [speaker001:] so then you have a bit more freedom to [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Let me get that. A bit more. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Okay, [speaker001:] You you still have your blue fingers. [speaker003:] so what this is is a set-up for us to um uh use a kind of a like a [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] Is it? [speaker001:] You killed a monster. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] The idea is that I've set up [disfmarker] I've reviewed all of the um the points of discussion from the beginning, and used that as a criteria of evaluation for the um uh for the current design uh th or the plan, and uh so we can review that. Uh I think it's gonna end up being sort of elementary because we're sort we're in n we're not gonna probably use it to change anything but [disfmarker] Doesn't seem like it's going, does it? [speaker002:] Oh there it is. [speaker003:] Yeah, okay great. Uh and I'm gonna write up our results on the board, so this'll be a way for us to go through and decide if we're um [disfmarker] sort of review where we stand with it. Okay, so um [disfmarker] So to sort of b bring together two things, sort of design goals and also the market research that we had, uh when we rate this, one is v high in in succeeding or fitting to our original aim and seven is low, okay. [speaker002:] Mm 'kay. [speaker003:] So these i these i th are the [disfmarker] and um we've been asked to uh to collectively rate this, so what we can do is try and just y work on a consensus system so we just come to an agreement. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker003:] Okay? So the first one uh, stylish look and feel. [speaker001:] I rate that pretty highly. [speaker002:] Well yeah, [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] I mean compared to most remote controls you see that's pretty good. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] I dunno like a six or something. [speaker003:] Yeah. Yeah [speaker002:] What does anybody else think? [speaker003:] um me uh my only reservation with it was that we basically went with yellow because it's the company's colour, [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker003:] and I don't know if yellow's gonna really be a hit. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker003:] But [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker004:] I'm seeing five then. [speaker003:] What do you guys think? [speaker002:] I would say five or six. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker002:] David? [speaker001:] Yep I'm fine with that. [speaker003:] Okay let's go with five then. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker003:] Fi oh uh just actually the opposite. [speaker001:] It's one to seven, right? [speaker003:] The [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Oh yes sorry then [speaker003:] So it meant three, [speaker002:] then I would say two or three. [speaker003:] okay. [speaker001:] Wait, what's the scale, one to seven, right? [speaker004:] One's high-ish isn't it? [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah, one is high. [speaker004:] Ah, okay so yeah, two or three. [speaker003:] 'Kay [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Okay, it's upside-down. [speaker003:] Let's go with two point five then. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Okay, um [vocalsound] control [disfmarker] high tech innovation. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Well it has the wee jog-dial [speaker003:] We had to remove [disfmarker] [speaker002:] but [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah, so we've had to remove a few of our features we wanted, [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker003:] but jog-dial 's good. [speaker002:] I'd go with three or four, [speaker001:] Say it's more [speaker004:] Eight three. [speaker001:] medium, [speaker002:] maybe three. [speaker001:] but going towards a little bit higher than medium kind of thing. [speaker003:] Okay, [speaker002:] Yeah about three, okay. [speaker003:] three? [speaker001:] Yep. [speaker003:] Okay, um [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Style reflects a fruit inspired colour, design. I shouldn't have said colour, but just [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Lemon. [speaker002:] Well that's kind of [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Okay, the blue the blue colours and [disfmarker] don't re don't actually represent the colour, [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Sorta. [speaker001:] except for the b the the red button, [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] they [disfmarker] because for want of a [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker002:] But the yellow, I mean it could be a lemon yellow colour, [speaker003:] Right. Yeah, could be. Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah, the the yellow is more representative of the colour, [speaker002:] couldn't it? [speaker001:] but the button itself, the blue can be anything else. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Okay so we'll go two. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] Yeah? Okay, and um design is simple to use, simple in features. [speaker002:] Well yeah, I mean it's really basic looking [speaker003:] F f yeah f fairly basic, [speaker002:] isn't it? I mean I'd give that nearly a one. [speaker003:] you guys think? [speaker004:] Yeah [gap] one. [speaker001:] Yep, that's fine. [speaker003:] Yeah, one? Okay. [vocalsound] Um, [vocalsound] soft and spongy, have we achieved that? We've used mostly plastic in the end so it's going to be quite a bit of a compromise for price. [speaker004:] Yeah I think it's about five. [speaker003:] Five? [speaker002:] Five? [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah well we have to use uh plastic [speaker002:] That's really low. [speaker004:] so it's probably gonna be [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah I suppose mm 'kay. [speaker003:] That's [disfmarker] Um [speaker001:] Yeah, [speaker003:] could we have used an entirely rubber frame to it? [speaker001:] company logo. [speaker003:] Was that an option? [speaker004:] I think I'd probably increase the cost. [speaker001:] I think it'll be cost prohibitive, [speaker004:] We've only got [vocalsound] like what, ten cents left so [disfmarker] [speaker003:] It would cost more than plastic. [speaker001:] yeah. [speaker003:] Okay, logo, we've got it in there, haven't we? [speaker001:] Yep. [speaker002:] Yep. Gonna have that on the side, aren't we, like there or something? [speaker003:] Huh. And um it's within budget, yep. It is, isn't it? [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Okay, so we can say then that uh out of a possible [disfmarker] or what would be our goal here? [speaker002:] Out of forty nine, I guess. [speaker003:] Yeah, out of forty nine with with zero being the highest. We are at uh two, seven, eight, ten, fifteen point five. [speaker002:] 'S pretty good. [speaker003:] So it's pretty good. Translates to something like about approximately seventy two percent efficacy of our original goal. Right? [speaker002:] Uh yeah. [speaker003:] I think 'cause if you turn that into a hundred it would be about [speaker002:] Twice that, [speaker003:] about thirty one, [speaker002:] about thirty one. [speaker003:] and then invert that, it's [disfmarker] [speaker002:] So yeah ab well yeah about sixty nine, seventy percent yeah. [speaker003:] Oh right, about seventy, yeah seventy percent. [speaker002:] It's pretty good. [speaker003:] Okay, good. That was just a little formality for us to go through. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker003:] Yep, oh hundred pound pen. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Sorry [vocalsound] [vocalsound] alright. [speaker002:] Nobody saw it, honestly. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] No. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] The cameras did. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Hmm. [speaker002:] Is that you all have all finished, or [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah that's that's me. I did have one other um one other frame I thought, I mean I I d not knowing how we would deal with this information, I thought okay in theory this kind of a process would be about refining our design, revisiting our original goals. [speaker002:] Uh-huh. [speaker003:] It's not something I need to p push through, but I thought should we thinking more about the dimensions, um sort of like more of a three dimensional shapes as well as opposed to just that flat um [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] Could our design involve a series of colours so that it's more of like a line where we have like sort of the, I don't know like the harvest line or the vibrant, [speaker001:] Yep. [speaker003:] I dunno the [gap] [disfmarker] Whatever just some theme and then we have different tones, lime green, lemon. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker003:] It's just discussion. I mean obviously we can just abandon this, it's fine. I'm just thinking about what we originally set out to do. Um, yep [speaker002:] Right. [speaker003:] so there. That's all. [speaker002:] Okay, great um are you submitting the the um evaluation criteria or am I? I don't know what your instructions have been. [speaker003:] Um, I think to record it and uh I haven't been asked to submit it yet. Yeah. [speaker002:] Okay, uh just wondering if I need to include it in the minutes, [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] because if you're submitting it anyway then [disfmarker] [speaker003:] I will, yeah. [speaker002:] Okay great. [speaker001:] It keeps getting too big. [speaker002:] Cool Um right, uh well next up then, because we've done finance, is the project evaluation. [speaker001:] 'Kay I'm I'm listening I'm just trying to incorporate the logo into the the thing, so I'm playing with the Play-Doh as well. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Oh right, okay. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Just in case you're wondering [vocalsound], why is he still playing with the Play-Doh? [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Huh. [speaker001:] Just about right [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] LEGO Lego [vocalsound]. [gap] [speaker004:] My leg. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Right, okay. Um well do you wanna um just individually say what you think about about these four points and [vocalsound] [disfmarker] or not those four points, my four points, sorry, forgotten that. [vocalsound] You got a different uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [gap] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [gap] [speaker003:] Yep. I like those printer cables that just have the two little butterfly clips like that. [speaker002:] Oh yeah, they're good aren't they, yeah. [speaker003:] It's really quick. [speaker002:] Right okay, [speaker003:] To use. [speaker002:] um yeah here we are. Uh as a note we'll do this alphabetically. [vocalsound] Um do you wanna start Andrew? [speaker003:] Sure, um so what is it you're asking of me now? [speaker002:] I don't know, just um your opinion on those four those four points really and how we used them. [speaker003:] Or sort of our work on setting this up. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. Well, is it [disfmarker] uh okay I'll just go through your system then. The the room uh is fairly institutional, but um the main thing is, I think um our use of this space is more just to report on things as opposed to be creative and constructive and it would probably help to um have l sort of a cumulative effect of we have ideas and we come back and then the ideas are still in discussion, you know, as in other words this this room is sort of a centre point of creativity, [speaker002:] Uh-huh. [speaker003:] whereas in reality as we've gone through this, it's not really the centre point of creativity, it's more just a [speaker002:] Well d do you feel though that that you were able to have quite a lot of creative input into the thing? [speaker003:] d debating [disfmarker] Yeah, yeah but that's just the thing is the quest in terms of the the first point there, the room, it feels as though the creativity goes on when we leave, and then we come here and then we kind of put out our ideas and then, you know. [speaker002:] But I don't I don't think it means the room as in this room. I think it means like you know [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Oh, oh right right, oh right okay room for creativ [speaker002:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Oh right I just looked up and saw okay whiteboard, digital pens, the room. [speaker002:] Room. Oh yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] No, of course, yeah. [speaker002:] Well I dunno do you th [speaker003:] Sorry. [speaker002:] I think it means um I think it means did you feel you were able to give creative input so [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Huh. Yeah. Yeah I th okay on th um yeah dif answering the question uh in those terms I'd say that actually there's sort of a tease of creativity because we're asked to work through this, but actually the guidelines are fairly contrived in terms of um okay fashion trends, say fruit and vegetable colour scheme, [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] but then i then we're told okay use the co company company colours. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker003:] So what do we do. We're told okay um think in terms of style and look and feel and technology, but build something for twelve and a half pounds, [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker003:] so actually the creativity was more more of like a um a f sort of a f formality then an actual [disfmarker] [speaker001:] You feel like you're caged within whatever y [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker003:] Yeah within the constraints [speaker001:] It's like a balloon in a cage, it can only go so big and not hit the side. [speaker003:] the [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah. [vocalsound] Yeah, yeah. [speaker001:] The constraints do come in very fast. [speaker002:] Okay uh do you know what, [speaker003:] So [disfmarker] [speaker002:] actually let's take each point and everybody discuss it, I think. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. So still on the topic of room for creativity uh next up is Craig. [speaker004:] Um I agree with his point it's um it is quite a lot of fun t to go and then you have sort of hit the end then go right, gotta cut everything out 'cause we don't have enough money. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yep. [speaker001:] I think another point is that the meetings um are more brainstorming sessions than meetings, [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] so time is also a very s um strong factor, and structure. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Because for a brainstorming meeting you want a structure that allows you to [disfmarker] allows ideas to get tossed, um to be evaluated, and to be reviewed, and to get feedback and come back. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm, [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker003:] mm-hmm. [vocalsound] Yeah, yeah. [speaker001:] And I guess that point about the room not being r very friendly to that, I think that's a very big thing, [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] and I think the fact that we're wearing these things restricts [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah, sure. [speaker001:] I feel it 'cause I wear m my glasses, right, and that but that irritates me right [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] it it it does actually you know affect how, w whether you feel comfortable to communicate. [speaker003:] New creativity. [speaker001:] I feel like I'm hiding behind the equipment, rather than the equipment is helping me, and you know. [speaker003:] Yep. Right. [speaker002:] So you think a more relaxed atmosphere would be more kind of conducive to creative thought or [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Not not so much an atmosphere, the atmosphere is very relaxed, but the the gear [speaker002:] Yeah, but actual environment? [speaker001:] yeah you know that creates boundaries to that um [speaker003:] Mm. Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] and and the time the time given also restricts [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Okay. Very good. Um what about leadership? [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] I don't know if that means like, if I did a good job or something. I don't really know. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah, well well I mean my sense on that is sort of what kind of guidance and direction, encouragement [disfmarker] [speaker002:] From like your personal coach person and stuff like that, do you think maybe? [speaker003:] Yeah from [disfmarker] and you as well I think, just sort of acting as team leader. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker003:] Um yeah I think I think it's [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Excuse me. [speaker003:] I think it's good. I mean my personal views on on leadership is that effective effective leadership sort of um gives people a certain room for freedom and delegation, but then to come back with something that they take great ownership and [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] you know, innovative thought with. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] In in reality I think here the the different elements of leadership such as the the original b briefing and then the personal coach and the and then you know having having you with your [disfmarker] the meeting agenda is actually quite a quite a [vocalsound] quite a con confining framework to work within. And so it is leadership almost to the point of sort of disempowering the the the team member, so [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Uh-huh, okay. [speaker003:] But it's not bad leadership, it's just sort of s fairly strong, you know. It turns it turns the individual into more of like a um sort of a predetermined mechanism, as opposed to a sort of a free [disfmarker] [speaker002:] So you think maybe a little too controlling or [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah, oh yeah, without without a doubt. [speaker001:] I think controlling is not the right word, I think the interactions are very structured. [speaker003:] Yeah maybe not co confining. [speaker001:] I think structure is probably what you're saying that, each individual is structured to one particular task, and one parti rather than controlling. [speaker003:] Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] I don't think there's a sense of control 'cause all the decisions have been made in terms of a, like a consensus right, we go around and we think about it, [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. [speaker001:] but that you know process actually says you have to do it in a certain way. [speaker002:] Uh-huh. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] It doesn't tell you, you know, some ways that you might wanna be a bit more creative in terms of the process you know, not the [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Mm. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. Yeah. [speaker002:] Okay, uh what about teamwork? [speaker003:] Um did, you wanna comment Craig? [speaker004:] Uh, reckon that was a bit hard because we could only discuss things in the meeting. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] If we could just go up to somebody outside the meeting and have a quick talk with them, that would've been a lot easier. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker003:] Fully agree. [speaker001:] I think you tried to use the common share folder to to to to communicate, but um it just comes back to us so slow in the email [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] um it it doesn't have a, you know, a messenger will go [vocalsound]. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Did uh did you guys get the email I sent you? [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Not just yet. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Oh that's alright. [speaker003:] Yeah, got the email. [speaker002:] I was wondering if that got there okay. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] Okay, um so um to s to to summarize the teamwork issue, saying that if we could communicate outside the meeting, you know just like quick questions, quick thoughts, whatever, it probably would be bit easier. [speaker003:] Yeah. Yeah, [speaker001:] I think the tools that they were given, the tool set that were given to us are fancy but they don't support collaboration, I think that's the word. [speaker003:] in it [disfmarker] Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, [speaker001:] They don't support the team working together, you know, [speaker003:] mm-hmm, [speaker002:] Oh right, okay. [speaker003:] exactly. Yeah, I mean if you [disfmarker] [speaker001:] they're still very individual tools. [speaker003:] Yeah, I mean sort of taking upon that idea, w the way I see this i is that it's uh the the s the structure in which we've we've approached this whole task is quite contrary to the p principle of teamwork because the the tasks were d d sort of um divided, and then the work went on in isolation [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker003:] I I don't know what you guys did while you were together, maybe that was a bit different, but um [speaker001:] We had Play-Doh fun [vocalsound]. [speaker003:] yeah, but um but actually if you if you imagine not entire the completely same task given to us but us said okay, first thing we have to do is come up with um let's say um a design concept, and we sit here together and do it, [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] well that's what teamwork is. To s to say okay go off and don't talk to each other, it's actually p sort of predisposes you to quite the contrary of teamwork. [speaker002:] Yeah. Okay. [speaker003:] Um not that we haven't done I think the best we could have done. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker003:] I'm not dissatisfied with it. [speaker002:] Right, uh anything else to say on teamwork at all? [speaker001:] No, not really. [speaker002:] Okay, um what about the you know how we used the whiteboard, the digital pens, the projector, stuff like that? Um did anybody think anything was like really useful, [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] anything was pretty un f [vocalsound] unsupportive? [speaker003:] I think the whiteboard, for me, is the kind of thing I would use all the time, but it's um not quite as useful as to us as it could have been, maybe just in the way that we we use it, in the sense that once we have an idea out there or while work was going on in between meetings, that could have been up on a board uh you know as opposed to in like in text. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker003:] Um, and then we could then keep our ideas sort of building on that. I know that people who design cars and you know in aviation they quite often just have a simple like fibreglass prototype and it's completely you know um abs abstract from the final product, but they use it as a kind of a context to sort of walk around and puzzle and and point and discuss [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. Yeah. And point at? Yeah. [speaker003:] and and and in a way everybody's [disfmarker] as we discuss things in the [disfmarker] in theoretically and out of our notebooks, we're just [disfmarker] we're actually just each of us discussing something that's in each of our own minds. It wasn't until we had this here, you know, [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] like at one point I peeked across and looked at Craig's paper and I'm like, now I know what he's thinking 'cause I saw his book. [speaker002:] Ah. [speaker003:] But the b the b whiteboard could've actually been this kind of continuing um [disfmarker] [speaker002:] So do you think producing a prototype earlier in the process woulda been a good idea? [speaker003:] Think could be, yeah. [speaker001:] I think um the the focus of it a lot was the PowerPoint as opposed to the to the whiteboard, [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah, yeah. [speaker001:] and I think that m um is also does you know hinder us and things I think. [speaker003:] Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] It will be cooler to have the whiteboard rather than the the PowerPoint, [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] or maybe the whiteboard and the PowerPoint in the same place, [speaker003:] Yeah. Yeah, yeah. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] you know in the centre of the [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah, because the PowerPoint was provided to us while we had time to prepare, whereas I can imagine if I'd been encouraged to use Paintbrush, for example, or whatever, I would've actually used it, [speaker002:] Alright. [speaker003:] um 'ca you know, just 'cause that's sorta how we [disfmarker] what we were set up to to use while we had our time. [speaker002:] Okay uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] I think that there were too many PowerPoints in the meetings [vocalsound]. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] 'Cause the plug-in and the plugging spent [disfmarker] we spent a lot of time doing that. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] And a lot of the information on the PowerPoints, I don't think, you know, we needed to actually [disfmarker] it could have, we could have gone through it [gap] verbally, [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] No, not quite. [speaker001:] especially my slides, [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] I felt that they just you know [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] as opposed to having to present them. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] What about the digital pens, did you find them easy enough to use? [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yep clunky. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Sure, yeah. [speaker004:] Oh they're a bit clunky. [speaker001:] Agreed. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [vocalsound] Yep. [speaker002:] Clunky, okay. [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker002:] Um [vocalsound] [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Having to tick it before you go off was a bit hindering as well, [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker001:] 'cause you're half way through a thought, and then you run out of paper and then you have to jump. [speaker002:] Yeah. I know, [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker002:] I think at the very start of today I like wrote a whole load of stuff, didn't click note on one, then went back and wrote one tiny wee thing on the another page, but then did click note, [speaker003:] Hmm. [speaker002:] and so I'm quite worried that I've just written over the top of it or something, [speaker003:] Hmm. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. [speaker002:] but they'll have my paper anyway um [speaker003:] Hmm. [speaker002:] and haven't done that since. [speaker001:] But I think the pen is v is very intuitive, everybody knows how to use it, we don't [gap] have to worry. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm, [speaker002:] Yeah, [speaker003:] mm-hmm, [speaker001:] So I think the pen's good. [speaker002:] yeah. [speaker003:] mm-hmm. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] It's about the best thing. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] And o on the topic of the technology, it just occurred to me that we actually didn't need to move our computers because each computer has all of the files. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] It just occurred to me that they all [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah we only needed one computer and [disfmarker] [speaker003:] We only actually needed one computer. [speaker002:] Yeah, that's true. [speaker003:] If there had been a fifth, that coulda just been sitting there ready to go the whole time. [speaker004:] Good point. [speaker001:] And the computer may not um be conducive to a meeting because um you tend to look at your computer and wanna have the urge to check something, you know, [speaker003:] Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] it's useful but [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Do you think the computers just provide distraction in a meeting? [speaker001:] I think too many computers are just distracting. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] Um [disfmarker] [speaker002:] I know I I like to have things written down in front of me actually, [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] like a lot of the stuff that was emailed to me I ended up you know like writing down there or something so I could look at it really quickly and not have the distraction of all of that, [speaker003:] Yep. Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Yep. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] um I don't know about anybody else. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Um [vocalsound] what else uh any wh I do I'm not really sure what they're looking for when they say new ideas found. Um I don't know is [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Is this for the project or [disfmarker] [speaker002:] could you think of like anything else that would have been helpful today at all? [speaker003:] Well the w main one for me is that uh the process na in a natural f context would not have been interrupted by this necessity to discommunicate ourselves from each other. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker003:] So, [speaker002:] Yeah if we just had uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] that's kind of a new idea for me is like just sort of that idea, well you know it's kind of s hard to keep f working forward on a team a team based project when when you're told you must now work away from your team. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Mm-hmm. [vocalsound] Yeah I I dunno I think it was quite good that we had time limits on the meetings because they really could have run on and like my experience with meetings is that they really do, and you can spend a lot of time talking about [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Oh yeah. Yeah, yeah. [speaker002:] The only thing is though like when we had our meeting about the conceptual design, I thought there [disfmarker] maybe another fifteen minutes would have been useful there but um [vocalsound] yeah. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm. [speaker002:] I really thi i I think maybe if we'd like all been working in the one room, and they just said you know like every hour or something everybody make sure yo you know just have a have a short meeting and then just c [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] just to have like something written down, [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] just like you know a a milestone if you like um rather than having meetings, but [disfmarker] There you go. [speaker003:] Hmm. [speaker002:] Um so in closing, I haven't got my five minutes to go. Thin Oh there it i [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Five minutes to go. [vocalsound] [vocalsound] Wonderful. Okay um are the costs within the budget, yes they are. And is the project evaluated, yes it is. So now celebrate [vocalsound]. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Great. So it [disfmarker] [speaker001:] And we have Ninja Homer. [speaker003:] So now we [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Oh yeah. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Well apparently now I write the final report. [speaker004:] Do we know what the other ones are? [speaker002:] What are you guys doing now? [speaker003:] I I don't know. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] You dunno? [speaker004:] Oh wow. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Hmm. [speaker002:] That is lovely. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Hey yeah, I said Ninja Homer. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] What did you call it? [speaker001:] Ninja Homer. See it looks like Homer Simpson [speaker003:] Huh, huh. [speaker001:] but it's electronic so it's made in Japan. [speaker002:] So is that j is that just is that just a logo or does it do anything? [speaker003:] Logo. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yeah it's just a logo. [speaker002:] Just a logo and then like Ninja Homer, [speaker003:] Huh. [speaker001:] Ninja Homer. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] right okay. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker001:] The the red is supposed to represent the whatever else you wanna print on the side of it. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] I think it's quite nice. [speaker003:] Fashion technology or something. [speaker002:] [gap] [speaker001:] You can wear Homer, you can throw Homer when you're frustrated, doh. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Hmm, hmm, hmm. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Oh no, that's cool, it's got [disfmarker] I'm kind of [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Hmm. [speaker001:] It's clunky. [speaker002:] I'm slightly gutted that we couldn't get plastic and rubber, I think that would have been nice. [speaker003:] Yeah, yeah. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Ah well, maybe from now on real reaction should give us more money. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Oh, I did learn something new, Play-Doh is useful. [speaker003:] Hmm. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Play-Doh s [speaker001:] No it is it is. It is useful and in in in in in in in um conceptualizing, in being creative. [speaker003:] Huh. Huh. [speaker002:] Really? [speaker001:] 'Cause like you say, it's something you can put your hands on and feel and touch and get a sense for. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Like we were playing with the Play-Doh and the ideas came with the Play-Doh rather than with everything else. [speaker002:] Did they? [speaker001:] You might wanna write that down. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] It's just, I'm just fiddling with the Play-Doh, and I'm going yeah yeah it's kinda cool. [speaker002:] Okay. Play-Doh. [speaker003:] No, it's true, yeah. [speaker004:] Guess I'd forgot how good s Play-Doh smells. [speaker003:] Hmm. [speaker002:] Yeah, it smells funny doesn't it. Um [disfmarker] [speaker003:] And some Play-Dohs are actually I think edible aren't they? [speaker001:] No, all Play-Doh is edible. [speaker002:] Yeah like the stuff for [gap] [disfmarker] [speaker004:] I think they're all non-toxic 'cause it's aimed for like two-year-olds. [speaker002:] I think it has to be, yeah. [speaker001:] It's just wheat, it's the stuff that your mom could make with preservatives and uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Wow, hmm. [speaker002:] Yeah um so to wha what are your summarising words about Play-Doh? [speaker001:] It's helpful to the creative process. [speaker003:] Huh. [speaker001:] Um it engages all your senses not just your sight, but your sense of feel your sense of touch. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker003:] Yep. [speaker001:] And it helps you to understand [speaker003:] Taste. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] dimension as well. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker001:] I think that that's very helpful because it it starts to pop up, [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] whereas on a piece of paper, on a computer, on a board, um even with a three D graphic thing it still, it requires a lot of [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm, yep. Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah it's not very tangible. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] yeah [disfmarker] tangible, that's a nice word. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm. [speaker001:] It becomes tangible. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Tangible. Okay uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Mm. I don't know if there's anything else we needed to discuss. [speaker001:] Nope. [speaker002:] That that's about it really. Just sit still I guess for a little while. [speaker003:] Do we retreat to our, to continue our [speaker001:] I think we could probably do it here as long as we don't collaborate. [speaker002:] Um [disfmarker] [speaker003:] r reporting or what i [speaker002:] Well I dunno. Um I'm sure the little uh the little thing'll pop up any minute now. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Can we turn off the microphones? [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yeah, yeah if the meeting's over then yeah I guess so.

[speaker002:] Two. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Good morning. [speaker001:] Hello. Hello. [speaker004:] Hello. Ah. [speaker001:] You have to put it exactly on the on the [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Plate? [vocalsound] [speaker001:] yeah. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker002:] Good morning. [speaker003:] Good morning. [speaker001:] I took your mouse. [speaker003:] Should I bring my uh pen too? [speaker001:] Yeah just [disfmarker] yeah, [speaker003:] Or [disfmarker] [speaker001:] no, that's for me, I just have to make some notes. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker001:] I got my uh mouse. [speaker004:] Uh I also forgot my mouse, [speaker002:] Mouse. [speaker001:] [gap] [vocalsound] yeah. [speaker004:] but I don't need my mouse, I think. [speaker003:] I do. [speaker002:] Come on. There we are. [speaker003:] My laptop is crashing. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Damn computers. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [gap] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Cr [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Help help help. [speaker002:] Let's just check one more time. Mm. [speaker004:] Can you hear me? Hello? Test. [speaker001:] Uh actually my laptop doesn't work, [speaker004:] I dunno. [speaker001:] [gap] switch it on again. [speaker004:] Check. [speaker001:] Oh no. [speaker004:] Okay. I think it works. [speaker003:] Test test. Yes, it's working. [speaker001:] So you all read what we are going to do or not? [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] We're gonna make a remote control. [speaker001:] Yeah, that's right. [speaker003:] I think my laptop is a bit [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] etchy. [speaker001:] I just made a a simple uh presentation. So you [gap] put some things in it. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Okay. How does this work? I dunno. [gap] [speaker002:] One uh [disfmarker] most to the right. [speaker003:] Uh p [speaker002:] Yes that one. [speaker001:] This one? [speaker002:] Yes. [speaker004:] Press F eleven. [speaker001:] Ah cool. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Okay. So that's my name, [gap]. Uh we're going to make uh a remote control, you already know that. Just have a look, are we going to [disfmarker] uh this agenda of our meeting. You know, this is about twenty five minutes, this meeting. So um the [gap] thing we have to know is you already know what we're going to do, you also read what this the things [disfmarker] or, not yet, [speaker002:] Yes. [speaker001:] okay. So um, yeah, it has to be original, trendy, user-friendly [gap] that's what we're going to design. Uh first we have uh uh three steps of uh making the the remote control. Fir the first thing is th the functional design, that's very important. We have to look what the needs are, the effects of the functional design, and and how the mm the the remote control works, so that's where we're going to look in the functional design, it's for the f next meeting. The the second thing is the conceptual design, that's what it [disfmarker] that's uh the spe the specifications of the components and the properties and the specifications of the user interface. And we have to look what uh the market is doing for [disfmarker] what kind of uh remote controls are in the market. And the third thing is uh the detailed design um and that's exa yeah, you know what it is, it's exactly how it looks and whatever. [vocalsound] Okay so [disfmarker] uh no, this is a [disfmarker] these are two smartboards, with the uh f uh s an introduction of that one. And you already saw [disfmarker] you know all that that you here can put uh things in the the red project uh map. [speaker004:] Folder, yes. [speaker001:] Folder, okay. So no okay [gap] have a look at that one. Okay. So uh what we're going to do first is um so you can read. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] You have to uh draw uh a favourite animal on the whiteboard and um and say why it's your favourite animal. So and you have [disfmarker] this is just to try it out and we have to uh use a different pen colours and different thickness of the pen. So okay, so first have to show you, maybe you can come here to have a look how it works. Yes? [speaker004:] Ah I can see it now. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Okay. This a new page, it's okay. Use pen format. and a different colour can use here [gap] no I just take the pink. You take [disfmarker] oh there's no pink, okay, oh [speaker002:] Purple. [speaker001:] just purple, okay. No blue. And uh line width [vocalsound] ten. Okay uh just take [disfmarker] what I'm going to draw is an elephant. Just draw slowly, because otherwise it won't work. It's a very nice elephant, you can see. I dunno what it looks [disfmarker] but it doesn't matter. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Looks very nice. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] I just h Something like this? Oh no [gap] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] It look like a dinosaurs. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah, okay. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] A pink elephant. [speaker001:] Because I like [disfmarker] uh okay. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Just takes so long, okay. Whatever, just. You erased this one. It's a bit slow you can see, this is a bit annoying. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker001:] Okay, so just for you guys just one of you can draw a painting if you want. [speaker004:] Let me try one. [speaker001:] Just don't um [disfmarker] yeah, just u use it like that, yeah. That's okay. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker001:] [gap] [speaker004:] Mm. Okay and then uh what's the colour? How do I do [disfmarker] [speaker001:] It's in format. Yeah. [speaker004:] Ah. I'll take this one. Uh there has to be water, [speaker001:] Just [disfmarker] [speaker004:] but [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] No it has to be an animal, so if that's it's [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah yeah, [speaker001:] it should be a shna snake or something. [speaker004:] but it's an animal it's an animal that lives in the water. [speaker001:] Okay. Okay okay. Okay. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] The water is important. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] So I first uh draw the water. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Uh. Okay, [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] and now I make the animal. It's a fish. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Wow. [speaker001:] Okay, cool. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. So. [vocalsound] Um [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] This is a worm. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [gap] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [gap] [speaker001:] Hmm yeah, that's nice. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Wow. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Okay, who next? Uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Uh do you have to write down why [disfmarker] uh that doesn't matter, just [disfmarker] it's to get used to the whiteboard, but it's okay. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker001:] Just make a new blank new blank page. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Well Paul? [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yeah. Like this? [speaker001:] Yeah, not too far to the to the t pen top. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Okay. Um let's make it um a dog. Ooh. [speaker001:] Maybe you should hold your pen a bit more to the back, so that [disfmarker] no, to the [disfmarker] yeah. [speaker002:] [gap] [speaker004:] I think it's a pig. [speaker002:] Ah okay. A pig? [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] I can make [disfmarker] [speaker001:] No, [speaker004:] Or a dog. [speaker001:] it's a dog. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] a dog. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [gap] Um [disfmarker] [speaker004:] A sheep? [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Uh we d only have twenty five minutes, so [gap]. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Take it easy. [speaker002:] 'Kay, I make a cat of it. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] I I was gonna make a cat too. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Use your fantasy. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Oh, not too quick. [speaker001:] Just hold it more more to the back then you don't have [gap] [speaker002:] No I have it. [speaker001:] okay. [speaker002:] I just draw too quick I think. Okay, that's it. More. [speaker001:] No, that's okay, thank you. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] It's just to get used to it. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker001:] I thought these pens would be just um [disfmarker] uh you write it down and you download it to Word, you already did it or no? [speaker004:] No. [speaker001:] No, not yet, okay. [speaker002:] Yeah, that's right, it [disfmarker] but you actually got to write on the paper. [speaker001:] But it's just [disfmarker] Sorry? [speaker002:] You really got to write on that paper. [speaker001:] Yeah, I know, but I d I I thought it would be just in in in uh typed words in Word, [speaker004:] Yeah yeah, it's a real pen. [speaker002:] Yeah, [speaker001:] so that's not [speaker002:] but it's just a picture. [speaker001:] just [disfmarker] it's just a picture. [speaker004:] Oh. [speaker001:] So [vocalsound] [speaker002:] You really [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Y you can you can't edit in the [disfmarker] edit it in Word. [speaker001:] it's not that cool as I th thought it would be. [speaker002:] No. [speaker001:] No. [speaker004:] Oh, okay. [speaker002:] It's a donkey. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] I don't know, what time did we start this meeting, I'm not sure. [speaker002:] Uh I think it was uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Half past. [speaker004:] Half past ten. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] Brilliant. [speaker001:] Okay, [speaker003:] Nice, [speaker001:] perfect. [speaker003:] eh? [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yep. [speaker001:] Yeah, thank you. Now we just have to save everything, so. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Oh [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] this is definitely the best one. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Uh. [speaker001:] Okay, so uh what we know is that we have to sell this uh remote control for about twenty five Euros. [speaker003:] Excuse me. [speaker001:] Okay, that's [gap]. And uh we have to make a profit of fifty million Euros, so we have to uh use a big market in Europe. [speaker002:] Piece of cake. [speaker001:] The production cost are about half the price of selling price, sorry. [speaker002:] Uh easy. [speaker001:] So can someone make a a calculation about how many we have to sell of these to make fifty million, I dunno. Uh so we're gonna have [gap] a little discussion about um what experience are with a remote control the [gap] and everything, so just have a look how it [disfmarker] we think about remote controls. [speaker004:] Yeah, my first question was does it have to be a [vocalsound] a universal remote control? [speaker001:] Oh yeah, that's a good question. [speaker004:] Because we sell it uh uh uh lonely from the t and not with the television, we sell it uh apart. [speaker001:] I think it's [disfmarker] I'm not I'm not sure, [speaker004:] So I [disfmarker] [speaker001:] it's not mm [disfmarker] I think [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah, it probably would be universal. [speaker002:] Universal. [speaker004:] Because [disfmarker] [gap] [speaker002:] And only television? Or more devices? [speaker001:] I don't think you can buy a a a universal uh remote control for twenty five Euros, so [disfmarker] not sure, but [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Hmm, maybe, [speaker004:] Yeah, I know uh you can buy a re a universal uh control for uh only twenty uh Euros [speaker003:] I don't know. [speaker001:] Okay, so we we just say we just say that's universal remote control. [speaker004:] Yeah, I think. [speaker002:] Ah okay. [speaker001:] Okay, perfect. [speaker003:] And uh also for the VCR and uh DVD player and [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah, everything just [disfmarker] [speaker003:] okay. [speaker001:] so a lot of buttons [vocalsound] on the remote control. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yeah, probably. [speaker002:] Not just a TV. [speaker001:] No, just everything. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] [gap]. so yeah, [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker001:] what what what's a remote control, it's just a black thing with some buttons on it, it's not [disfmarker] nothing very special, but um [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Well we can try to make it special. [speaker001:] yeah, that's right. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] So do you have any ideas how it has to look for for usability [speaker002:] Well [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Well I th I thought about um making it the same uh style as the television, [speaker001:] or user [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [gap] [disfmarker] we don't have uh the same television uh all the time, so uh that's no matter. [vocalsound] Um if we uh control the VCR and the DVD player player with it uh it has to be clear, because uh kids and uh elderly are gonna use it, so uh it's not only for the uh technical persons. Um I think it must be a very good control, so you can uh uh uh act uh [vocalsound] use it from uh everywhere in your room, the the infrared uh thing must be from very good quality. [speaker001:] Hmm yeah. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] That's right. Should be a good point. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker002:] Nothing [gap] [speaker003:] And how big should it be? [speaker002:] N [speaker004:] No. Yeah. [speaker002:] [gap] It shouldn't be too big, [speaker004:] I dunno um [disfmarker] [speaker002:] but I don't think we can make it too small, 'cause it has to have a lot of functions, so. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] We can't make it smaller than the things we see now I think. [speaker001:] Just big enough for the buttons we have, that's that's it. [speaker002:] Yeah. Or we have to make something uh like uh mobile phones that you can uh fold it opem. [speaker003:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker002:] Maybe then you can make it s smaller and uniquer, [speaker004:] Yes [speaker002:] maybe more trendy. [speaker001:] But you you you you think about uh uh one you can fold open. [speaker002:] Fold open, where you can see uh more options. I think [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Okay, yeah, that's cool. [speaker004:] Ah that's that's [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah [speaker001:] Maybe for the DVD pla player or something, [speaker003:] n [speaker002:] Yeah, [speaker001:] if you just [disfmarker] [speaker002:] something uh on top, just dren general things like volume and TV channels and inside things you don't use that often. [speaker004:] Ah right right. [speaker003:] Yeah, or you c [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Oh [speaker003:] O or you could th think of an uh uh a small touch screen on the remote control. [speaker004:] that's good, yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah b I wanted [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Why should you use a touchscreen on a remote control? [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Uh maybe be uh it's it's [disfmarker] [speaker001:] There are buttons on it. [speaker002:] No you can make an uh manual in it. [speaker003:] Yeah, or um maybe to keep it uh easy and uh small. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] Yeah, [speaker001:] But it's not t t t too expensive to put a touchscreen on it. [speaker004:] but [speaker002:] But that's [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Uh like a a to have [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah, I think it's much uh [disfmarker] too expensive. [speaker004:] Yeah [speaker003:] Yeah, maybe it would. [speaker004:] but it's not reachable I think, touch screen. [speaker001:] [gap] [speaker004:] And we have to care for uh the strength of the remote control, [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] because uh uh remote controls are most uh things in the house that falls down on the ground and it get often uh broken. [speaker001:] Yeah. So. And if you have a touch screen in it, it's definitely too too fragile uh fragile. [speaker002:] Yeah, too fragile. [speaker004:] Yeah and a lots uh uh lots of kids use it and touchscreen is not uh kids uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] No. You can put games on your remote control. Whatever. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Kid-proof. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah [gap]. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] And uh how about the batteries? [speaker004:] Um [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Uh should you put it in a recharger or a [disfmarker] just [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Oh maybe that's a good idea, [speaker004:] Ma maybe a home station. [speaker001:] just to put it on your television and just s recharge, [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] you never have to use any batteries. [speaker003:] Mm yeah. [speaker002:] Maybe that's a good idea, but yeah, we have to look at the price now I think. [speaker001:] Yeah, how m how mu how how expensive uh is a normal recharger? [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah, I dunno. [speaker002:] Well uh how much is your uh standards uh mobile phone recharger? [speaker001:] I dunno. [speaker003:] Yeah, if you buy it uh separately from your phone it's probably expensive, [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Ah yeah. [speaker003:] but I don't know what the project uh projection costs are for such a thing. [speaker004:] [gap] [speaker002:] Maybe have [gap] uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Uh if you th look at the market, it's probably [disfmarker] it's still the best way just to put batteries in it, because maybe it's too expensive. [speaker002:] Yeah, 'cause well [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah, but a home station is uh a really good idea, because uh lots of people are [disfmarker] uh lose their remote control and don't know where it is, and now you can put it always at the same place. [speaker001:] Yeah, that's right, yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Maybe it's [disfmarker] Therefore it's a good idea, but maybe it's expensive. [speaker002:] Maybe uh use it as a separate option. Sell it uh separately. [speaker004:] Yeah. You can [disfmarker] yeah, you can buy it with it. [speaker003:] Yeah, but I have a mouse that's uh uh also uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Rechargeable. [speaker003:] Yeah, and and you just have normal batteries that you can recharge and just put it in the station, [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] or you can change your batteries, [speaker004:] Oh yeah. [speaker003:] so. [speaker001:] The option, just the option, that's cool. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Uh I I set something on paper already, [gap] size, looks, uh usable, uh the buttons on usable places, uh the the on off button must be on top, [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] uh it has to lay good in the hand, [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] you you have to uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Has it be [disfmarker] has [disfmarker] does it has to b have to be um uh like a different form than a normal remote control [speaker004:] Yeah, I don't I don't know I don't know [speaker001:] or [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Well [speaker004:] if we [disfmarker] [speaker002:] I think we have to look at that, 'cause well you can do [gap] the standard way, but then you won't [disfmarker] [speaker004:] You can make it very special, to create our own um looks, [speaker001:] Yeah [speaker004:] but it's very hard to [disfmarker] [speaker003:] N uh if if we want to make it special, we probably have to do a lot of testing, if it really works. [speaker004:] Nah. [speaker002:] Well you can um have uh [vocalsound] the basic things on the same place, like on off button on top and the TV channels one two three four as a block, and then the volume uh obviously on t on top, so you can see. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] But the rest is uh you don't use that often, so if you have a clear button with an good icon on it, it should be clear as well. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] So it doesn't matter what place it is on the remote control I think, [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] so you can do something unique with that. [speaker003:] And what we have to think about too is uh uh buttons that you use often are um maybe uh like when you fold it open, when you have it closed, you [vocalsound] can still uh do the th the functions. [speaker004:] Yeah yeah, what Paul already said. Uh on on top are the the basic options on top, [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah, just for the TV and just the normal function, that's fine. [speaker003:] But n [vocalsound] yeah, [speaker002:] Yeah, yeah. [speaker003:] but uh i [vocalsound] [speaker004:] and if you fold it open [disfmarker] [speaker003:] basically when I'm watching TV I'm just using like five buttons or so, [speaker001:] But maybe it's [speaker004:] [gap] [speaker002:] Yeah [gap]. That's what I meant. [speaker003:] so. [speaker001:] maybe it's very hard to to make it fold open and to l look like it's very uh uh [disfmarker] what's it's called? [speaker004:] Mm. If you if if you make to fold open it's or also an [disfmarker] uh the strength uh is not s as good as a normal uh remote control. [speaker001:] [gap] Maybe it's hard t [speaker002:] Uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] No, that's right. So maybe we have to to uh keep it like mm a square, just normal remote control [gap]. [speaker002:] Okay, but yeah. [speaker001:] Just think about it. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] We have to close this uh to finish this uh meeting, so. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker001:] There's some more things. We have uh another thirty minutes, so then we're going to meet again. So you know what you have to [disfmarker] what you have to do? [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Um for m for me uh the Marketing Expert, the user requirements uh specification, do I need to think as a user, a as a a a only the looks and the [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] No, what you want to do with it. [speaker001:] Yeah, I think this [disfmarker] if you [disfmarker] you have to n know if it's for s a TV, a DVD player, all that things. [speaker004:] Okay. Yeah, [speaker001:] Also from a user, but all these things together. [speaker004:] it's also about strength and uh for everything uh. [speaker001:] Yeah, everything. [speaker002:] Yeah, I also wrote down some stuff that you want on a [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah, no maybe not not uh [gap], that's not a f that's something for for for [disfmarker] yeah. [speaker002:] Technical fun fu [speaker001:] That's not for you. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker001:] Just if [disfmarker] what's in the market, what's normal, uh what kind of uh buttons do you have. [speaker002:] What do you want to do with your remote control, what do you need on your remote control. I already wrote some down, some ideas. [speaker001:] Yeah, it's alright. [speaker004:] Yep. [speaker001:] Yeah, just [disfmarker] is that okay? [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker002:] Yep. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] There's already a document in the folder about it. [speaker004:] Yeah, me too. [speaker001:] So see you in thirty minutes. [speaker004:] Okay, well done. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker001:] For the next time you have to uh put it exactly on the square, so [disfmarker] your laptop. [speaker002:] I will. [speaker004:] Oh Paul. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] It didn't say that. [speaker001:] No, sorry. [speaker002:] Your fault. [speaker004:] Ciao. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] Bye bye. [speaker002:] Bye bye.

[speaker001:] Okay. So welcome back. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] What do [gap] [disfmarker] do we have to do? [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [gap]. [speaker001:] So first. I want to say I'm the secretary, so I make the minutes. You find them in your [disfmarker] in the map in the From the group. There's the minutes from the first meeting. You'll find the next minutes also there. Then [vocalsound] I wanna hear from you, what you've done. And after that I have some new product requirements. So [disfmarker] And after that we have to make decisions, what we will do. And then we're ready. We have forty minutes for this meeting. After that we'll have lunch. So first I wanna ask the [disfmarker] [vocalsound] Industrial Designer to tell what he did. So [disfmarker] [speaker003:] That's my task. Okay. Uh I've [disfmarker] Where have I put it? My Documents or not? Hmm. I've save it on my computer, my presentation. [speaker001:] Yeah on your computer, or the [disfmarker] [speaker003:] But where? [speaker001:] What's the name? [speaker003:] Uh uh uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] What's the name of it? [speaker003:] It was about the working of the remote control. [speaker001:] It's the technical function or the functional requirements. [speaker003:] Nope. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Not a [gap] of [disfmarker] Wait. The working design. But I've saved it. [speaker001:] Working design. [speaker003:] But now I don't know where it is. Hmm. [speaker001:] Working design. What is this? Product documents. [speaker003:] Yeah. And I import this until [disfmarker] [speaker001:] On the desktop. Up. [gap] up. [speaker003:] One more. [speaker001:] Up. Up. Up. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yes. My Documents. Nope. [speaker003:] What the fuck is this? [speaker001:] Gone. [vocalsound] Well you [disfmarker] Um [disfmarker] Nah. Nah, nah, nah. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] PowerPoint. Working design. [speaker003:] Yeah that's the empty one. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] And [disfmarker] [speaker003:] I had one. [speaker001:] Presentation of working design. [speaker003:] Uh-huh. Open it. Okay here it is. [speaker001:] Save as [gap]. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Uh it's [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Desktop. [speaker001:] Project [gap]. [speaker003:] Project. [speaker004:] Yeah. Okay. Well. [speaker001:] Save. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker001:] Very good. [speaker003:] A little later but here it is. [speaker004:] [gap] [speaker001:] Okay. So [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] So okay. It's a little difficult what I'm gonna tell you. It's about the working of the remote control. I just had an half an hour j to study it [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] and [vocalsound] I don't get it. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Make it. [speaker001:] Now have ten minutes to tell it. [speaker003:] Ten minutes to tell it. Okay. I think it will be a few minutes and [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] First uh I will tell you something about the findings, what I discovered about the remote control. The working bout it [disfmarker] uh of it. Uh then I'll have uh some kind of map, and it's the top of the remote control. With a little bit of science, uh you [disfmarker] I will show that uh in in a few minutes. And then uh what I'll think about it. First, the findings. The remote control is a very difficult uh thing to uh to explain to just all of you wh who haven't seen a remote control uh inside. Uh there's a lot of uh plastic on it, [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] um because its uh not so expensive. And there are uh a lot of uh wires, uh which um connect the components in it, the battery, and there are um switches and things like that. There's a lot of small uh electronics. So it won't be um uh too expensive to build it. Only twelve Euro fifty I think uh we will make it. Now [gap] [disfmarker] And here I have the top of the remote control. Uh here's some kind of chip. Uh on top of this, there are uh the numbers. Uh you have all on your remote control. And uh the teletext uh button. And uh here's the battery. And when you push the button, it will uh will be sent to the chip. And the chip will um send it to all kind of sub-components. That's what I said, it's very difficult. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] And after that it will be sent to the infrared. And that will send it to your television. That's a short h uh how it works. Uh I think I can uh make it uh difficult, but we all [vocalsound] we all don't get it. My preferences? It's uh [disfmarker] it won't be uh [disfmarker] We shouldn't make it too big. Uh also for the cost, uh we should only put one battery on it. A long-lasting battery. Uh also for the cost, uh use only plastic. Not other materials. Also because of the cost, uh not too much buttons on it. We can also make uh a button uh with a [gap] [disfmarker] menu uh button. And then um that that you will see it on the TV. And on the TV you can uh switch into the menu. That's [disfmarker] I think it's easier. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] And the bleep signal, y uh you told us. Uh but we can also use it uh a bleep like something, when the battery's empty, then there is a bleep. Then you'll have to change it in a in a week or something. And also the bleep, when [disfmarker] what I told you about uh when you lost it, and you push a button, and then you hear bleep bleep, and we will find it. This is uh just uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Oh oh. [speaker003:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker001:] Two questions. The battery. You say one battery is cheaper. Why? [speaker003:] If we w if we use only just one uh small pen-light, then it will be cheaper than when we use two. [speaker001:] Yeah but when you use two, you can use it two times longer. [speaker003:] Yeah but then we'll have to make the um remote control uh long lasting. [speaker001:] Okay so it's the size of the remote control. [speaker003:] [gap] Just [disfmarker] Yeah. [speaker001:] Okay and the buttons. When you use it on the television, you've [disfmarker] you need the television, wh which can use it. [speaker003:] Yeah. But uh I think this [disfmarker] our remote control is for the televisions we uh we sell in our company? [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] Or is it also for other company [disfmarker] uh for other televisions? [speaker001:] I think we have to use it also on other televisions though. [speaker003:] Then this is an option. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] So [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Maybe just a menu button to use it on our televisions. And then we make it easier uh for our televisions. And on the other tele televisions, you can also use it, but then we won't use the [speaker001:] Yeah but I don't [disfmarker] I think it [disfmarker] [vocalsound] They are two different things though. We have to choose one. It has to work on o uh all televisions. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker003:] Yeah? Okay. Then I think uh the menu button uh will only work on the newer televisions. And we will uh look forward and don't make a remote control which for the older televisions. [speaker004:] Hmm. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] And I just uh have one more idea. Uh maybe it's one of your tasks. But [disfmarker] Uh, to have a trendy remote control, we can also um make something like the Nokia um mobile phones. To change covers. So if you have uh a trendy half with all red, uh yellow and something. And then you can put a red cover on it. [speaker004:] Hmm. [speaker003:] And also different things. [speaker001:] Yeah. Good idea. [speaker004:] Will this will this add to the cost? [speaker003:] Yes. Uh then it won't be [disfmarker] uh will have just one cover on the uh original one. And then you can buy the covers. [speaker004:] Yes but you have to m uh be able to change it. D does it make it more difficult to design? [speaker003:] I think it will be a little more difficult, but not too much. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] Not much. 'Kay. [speaker003:] Just like with the Nokia uh mobile phones. [speaker001:] Yeah but there are much more Nokia telephones than um these ones. [speaker003:] Just one. Yeah but then we'll have to to just um put five covers on it, and see if it works. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] If it won't works then we'll get something else. Then we uh won't g uh go further with it. [speaker001:] Yeah but are their profits bigger than their cost? [speaker003:] Uh a p a [disfmarker] [vocalsound] a cover made in uh in China, it it won't be I guess so expensive I think. [speaker001:] Yeah but there are also design cost. I don't think [disfmarker] When you have a remote control, do you change the cover? [speaker003:] Maybe. [speaker001:] Would you change the cover? [speaker003:] I wi I won't. But maybe I think trendy people [speaker001:] No. [speaker003:] or like children where you can paint on it, and uh the the children think, oh this is my remote control, uh I made a picture on it. Uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] N yeah but [disfmarker] I think that too less people would change it for good profit. So [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah. Okay. And the other people? What do you think about it? [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Um [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah it's a good idea. But [disfmarker] If if it [disfmarker] Yeah, I don't [disfmarker] I'm not sure if it will make profit enough to uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker001:] [gap] [speaker002:] But it's uh yeah it's uh original idea. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yes it is but I don't think we have to do it. [speaker002:] No. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker003:] You're the Project Manager. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Okay. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yes. That's it. [speaker001:] That's clear. [vocalsound] Okay thank you. So now the User Interface Designer. [speaker002:] Oh. That's me. Uh [disfmarker] Come on. [gap]. Ah. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yes well uh uh I shall give a short talk about the the technical function design. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Um I thought the the the technical function design was uh to uh [disfmarker] for a remote control to to to have some influence on the TV set. Uh both audio and vide video uh in a cordless way. No cords attached. And uh well, it all by pushing a button on the remote. That was from my own experience and uh and uh the previous meeting. Uh I find some uh some interesting quotes on the web. Uh well the same idea here. Uh message to the television. And uh and and and well basic uh operations like on and off, and uh switching channels, and uh [disfmarker] and maybe uh teletext or something like that. Uh well these are two uh remotes, and that's our uh our dilemma I think. Uh [disfmarker] We just heard from the Industrial Designer how uh difficult it is. But uh shall we make a basic remote control, uh just uh swapping channels and volume and uh power button and well nothing much more. Or uh uh more functions on the remote. Uh maybe more devices you can influence. Uh a radio or a v a video recorder, uh VCR. [vocalsound] Yeah well that's our dilemma. Um any ideas about that? Basic or multifunctional? [speaker001:] We'll got back on that later. [speaker002:] Okay yeah. Yeah well the [disfmarker] that was just on my mind. [speaker004:] Yes. [speaker002:] So uh I didn't know what uh what way we would go. Mm yeah well that was my uh functional uh talk [vocalsound]. [speaker003:] 'Kay. [speaker001:] 'Kay, thank you. Then it's your turn, the marketing expert. [speaker004:] Okay. Uh um m Yeah. [vocalsound] Um yeah okay. This bit too far. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] So [disfmarker] So I'm uh gonna have a presentation about um the market, about um yeah what people think. Uh we did a usability lab-test with a hundred persons. And we looked at uh several um things. Uh among them design, uh d d how d did they like the use of it, uh what frustrations they had while using remote controls. Uh well what what will be our market. And uh we asked them if we had some new featu features. If um that would be a good idea or not. Well our findings. Uh our users, they disliked the look and feel of current remote controls. Um uh they especially found found them very ugly. And um th they also found them hard to to learn how to use it. Uh well they also zap a lot. So uh zapping uh should be very easy. And uh fifty percent of the users only use ten percent of the buttons. So a lot of unused buttons. There is more findings. Uh on the buttons. Which uh buttons find users uh very important and which which not? And how much would they use them? Well uh the most used button is the channel selection. And uh we asked them how uh relevant they think uh the buttons are. The power, volume and channel selections are very relevant. Uh teletext is uh less relevant but also important. Uh not important they found the audio, uh that's not the volume but uh specific the the pitch, or the left or right. Uh the screen and the brightness. And uh channel settings. Uh th and they also are not used very often. Then we have a few um graphs about the market. Uh here we can see what the market share is of uh several groups. Um as you can see, most users are uh between thirty six and forty five. Um the the the younger group between sixteen and twenty five is not very big. And to come back on the the swapping uh things, uh I don't think uh, I [vocalsound] I think the younger will be most interest in it. But uh they are not a very big group. Um in the [gap] we asked them, uh how would you like a s a new feature. If you have an LCD on the remote control, what would you think of it. Now you can clearly see young users say [gap]. I will [disfmarker] that would very nice. And older user think uh they will be scared of change [vocalsound] I think. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] And they won't like it. And another thing, how would you like to have a speech recognition on it. Well here we see the same. Young users uh think that's an interesting idea. And old users not. Uh well we uh found out that there are two [disfmarker] several markets at which we can aim. Uh the first are the younger, the age between sixteen and forty five. Uh they are highly interested in the features, as you can see uh here. And um they are more critical on their money spending. Uh the second group is the older group. Aged between forty six and sixty five. They are less interested in uh new features. But uh they spend their money more easily. Now if we look back at this graph, we can see that among the first group is about um sixty percent. And the second group about forty percent. So the the first group is bigger. Well then I come to my uh personal preferences. Uh yeah the first question is uh [disfmarker] also we have to ask is at the which market do we aim at. Uh of course n uh saying we aim at the young group doesn't say that old people won't buy it. But less of them will buy it. Um well I uh [disfmarker] [vocalsound] Okay. What I thought, um even young people say it's hard to use, remote control. So if you make a remote control that is uh very easy to use, that's especially aimed at this group, even uh the young group will also be more interested. And um we can make special features. But uh I think it looks nice in the first time. But when use it, uh I don't know what's uh good thing of speech recognition. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] Um well th uh that's my second point. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Uh less important functions should be discarded from the remote control. It's about discussion we had earlier. Um [disfmarker] You can find most functions on a TV set. So uh you don't have to have a lot of audio options, or screen options to change the brightness. And such things. Um well the design is very important. One thing I did not say I think, is that a lot of users also said then I would uh buy a good looking uh remote control if there will be one. But they found most remote controls very ugly. So the design of our remote control is very important. And uh yeah it should be very zap friendly, as most users use it for that. That were my findings. [speaker001:] Okay thank you. [speaker003:] Yeah. I have uh one question. If we aim for the younger people, um and there will be uh a lot of features like LCD or the the the speech uh f recognising, uh the cost will be a lot of h uh a lot higher. [speaker001:] Yes. [speaker004:] Yes. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] Uh I think we don't have that in our budget. [speaker002:] No. [speaker003:] Do you think? [speaker004:] No. [speaker002:] And I don't uh I don't think twenty five Euros for a remote is really cheap or something. [speaker003:] Like [disfmarker] No. No. [speaker002:] So it's [disfmarker] Yeah, it's hard to uh get the younger group. [speaker003:] Uh-huh. [speaker001:] I think uh the LCD is cheaper than speech recognition. So I think that can be an d good option. LCD. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. Just the LCD? [speaker001:] Yes. Only the LCD. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] So [disfmarker] But we'll come back on that. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker001:] Now [disfmarker] [vocalsound] Oh, go on. What d d d um [disfmarker] Um [disfmarker] Uh we go [gap] [disfmarker] back on the decisions later. Now we have a few new product requirements. First, teletext. We have internet now so we don't need the teletext anymore. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] So not necessary. Next. Only for the television. So we don't look at the other things like the radio or something. Only the television. We look at the age group of forty plus. Uh no, younger than forty. Is a g big group, and like you showed, n not very much people buy our stuff. Fourth point. [vocalsound] Our corporate colour and slogan must be used. Very important for the design. So you can see it on our site. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Next. Um no. We have to make our decisions, what we want to do. So [vocalsound] like you said, we need the [disfmarker] [gap]. Maybe it's good to put it in a document. Now we have to decide what controls do we need. So maybe you can tell us. [speaker004:] Yeah maybe we can first have a discussion uh on the the product requirements you just uh said. [speaker001:] Sorry? [speaker004:] The the requirements you just said, [speaker001:] Yes. [speaker004:] maybe we should first have a discussion about that. [speaker001:] Yes, it's okay. [speaker004:] I uh personally think uh teletext is a good option. Uh not everyone um who is looking TV can go to internet when they want to see the latest news. [speaker001:] Yeah but we don't use it. It's a [disfmarker] [vocalsound] new requirement. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] So, it's not my requirement. [speaker003:] 'Kay, we'll just have to do that. [speaker001:] We have to do this. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker004:] Okay. Okay sorry. [speaker003:] No discussion about it. [speaker004:] Then uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] No. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Okay. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Unfortunately. [speaker001:] So what controls do we need? Who first? [speaker002:] Well a power button? [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Okay. Uh power. [speaker002:] Uh the well um I think separate channels. So [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Uh mm channel. [speaker002:] But then both the the separate channels. So so uh zero to nine or something. [speaker001:] Channel [disfmarker] Zero to nine. [speaker002:] Uh volume. [speaker001:] Volume. Maybe it's easy to pick. What was w your one? Techno [speaker004:] Mine? It's the functional requirements. [speaker001:] Okay. We had w uh no no no no. Where was that example of the [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Oh mine. [speaker001:] Johan. That was the [disfmarker] the the the the [disfmarker] [gap] [speaker002:] Technical. [speaker001:] technical [disfmarker] Hallo. Okay. What do we need? On-off. Zero to nine. [speaker003:] To change to the next channel, just one button. To move up, move down. [speaker001:] Yeah that's the channel. [speaker004:] D Yeah. Do we make a menu? [speaker001:] Menu? Uh yes the n newer televisions ha do have menus. Uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] Uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [gap] [disfmarker] M Menu. I think um the only one or two numbers. [speaker002:] Mm yes. [speaker001:] And [disfmarker] Hello? That's ch [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [gap] I think it will be um q quite easy to use, to have uh uh four arrows. Up-down for channel selection, and left-right uh for volume. [speaker001:] Yes. [speaker004:] And uh a menu uh button. And if you press the menu button you get into the menu, and you can use the same buttons. But the [disfmarker] then to scroll through the menu and to change the options. [speaker001:] On the LCD screen, you mean? [speaker004:] Uh well yeah that depends on if you have uh the menu on the TV. Or you get the menu on the LCD screen on the remote control. [speaker001:] Think it's better to have it on the remote control, 'cause it it has to work on all televisions. So [speaker004:] Yes. [speaker003:] But then we come to the costs. [speaker001:] we need [disfmarker] N Yes. But if we have this [disfmarker] [speaker004:] 'Kay. But well if you aim at the younger market, um a as they as uh s uh as we seen in the usability uh lab, uh they will buy a nice looking um remote control. And also to find the easy to use uh part very important. So if we have a LCD sh uh screen, and uh not too many buttons, I think that will incre uh uh even when it's a bit more cost, it will still sell. [speaker001:] So now we don't have a lot of buttons. Is this enough? [speaker002:] Mute. [speaker001:] Mute. Maybe in the menu? [speaker002:] Um [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker002:] Yeah but then it's always uh more than one uh thing to do. [speaker001:] Mute. Mm-hmm. Okay. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Maybe more? [vocalsound] [vocalsound] No. Well. Then that's all. This will be the buttons. And [disfmarker] I think that's enough for the next phase. So we can go on to [disfmarker] [speaker003:] But now we have only the buttons. And uh we don't yet have to decide what the remote control would look like? Or [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yes. No that's for the next phase. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker001:] Um [gap] [disfmarker] Phase two is the conceptual design. So then we'll have the concepts. [speaker003:] Okay. Okay. [speaker001:] That's for the [disfmarker] So uh next point. Now we have lunch-break. After that we have t thirty minutes for work. And you can find the minutes in the Project Documents folder inclusive the uh buttons. No. Your individual action, you can find them in the email. So now it's time for lunch. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker004:] Okay. Good idea. [speaker001:] Thanks for coming. [speaker003:] [vocalsound]

[speaker001:] Welcome back. [speaker002:] Hello. [speaker004:] Hello. [speaker001:] Uh let me see. [speaker002:] There's one of mine. [speaker001:] Okay. Roo, welcome back. [speaker002:] Hello, Flores. [speaker001:] The waiting is for Sebastian. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [gap]. [speaker001:] There he is. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Is there any time for a cup of coffee? [speaker002:] We have a slight problem. [vocalsound] I opened uh the CD ROM box uh guys. [speaker001:] Sorry? [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Can I get a cup of coffee? [speaker001:] Uh no. You can't, [speaker003:] Okay. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] sorry. [speaker002:] So just cancel it. [speaker003:] [gap] Well, during my work I have no time either. So [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Well, this is life. [vocalsound] Sorry uh, Roo. [speaker002:] Yeah, I opened the CD ROM box. [vocalsound] Accidentally. [speaker001:] Okay. Okay. [speaker002:] But it's alright. [speaker001:] People, welcome back with the second meeting. [vocalsound] Um for now on the schedule are a few points. Uh first of all the opening, which we are doing now. Um second, I received um some new project requirements. I'm not sure if you received them as well, um but I will tell you about it. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Um then um the three of you uh prepared a presentation, I think? Sebastian? [speaker003:] I think so too. [speaker001:] Roo? [speaker002:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Ruud? [speaker004:] Almost. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Almost, okay. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Then we'll do your one uh uh as la uh the last. Um the top goal of this m [speaker002:] But you can't upload your presentation from here, I believe. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Um we will figure that out. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] Ca [vocalsound] can you try to [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Uh if it if it if it's wireless I could just uh put it in the [gap]. [speaker001:] Yeah, w we will see. [speaker002:] I don't think it's wireless here. [speaker001:] Um [disfmarker] it is, yeah. Yeah. [speaker003:] It is. [speaker002:] Or it is. [speaker003:] It is. [speaker002:] Yeah? Okay, great. [speaker004:] Uh okay. [speaker001:] Um the top goal of this meeting is to reach a decision on the product, on the target group um and and the functions of the remote control, so keep that in mind. Um [vocalsound] we have forty minutes. So it's now [disfmarker] Yep. Okay. Um the new project requirements, first of all, um we didn't speak about it, but we should not um support teletext in the remote, um because our b um board uh feels that uh teletext is out of date and internet is replacing teletext. So um we are not even going to try to um implement it in our product. [vocalsound] It's a board decision. Um the remote control should only be used for television, because it's not uh f uh feasible, it's not uh w [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] uh uh [disfmarker] we we cannot make it because of the time to market um that we have to deal with. [speaker002:] Time, yeah. [speaker001:] Uh the third requirement is that we should focus on customers that are younger than uh forty, [vocalsound] which is important for you, uh Ruud, and as well for uh Roo. Because the product should um be uh interesting and and uh should be bought by people younger than forty. Um [vocalsound] then for Roo, as well uh important, the corporate image should be recognisable in our product. So the colour colours and the slogan um do have to be uh in the product. [speaker002:] Yes. [speaker001:] Is that clear? Any questions on these requirements? No? [vocalsound] Okay. Um the individual presentations, I th um Roo or Sebastian, who of you would like to start? [speaker002:] Yeah, I'll start. [speaker001:] Uh uh yeah. Okay, [speaker003:] Yes. [speaker001:] great. [speaker002:] Um [disfmarker] Oh, how can I uh [disfmarker] Geez, and sli and show. Um [disfmarker] Just uh press it. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Uh yes. Alright. Um well w we uh we had discussed this already in the fin in the previous uh discussion. [vocalsound] Uh the method of the remote control is just [disfmarker] the function of remote control is basically to send messages to the television set. So that was the main uh important thing what a remote control should do. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Then I found uh two different kind of remote controls, the multi-function uh remote control with many possibilities, but um the lack of the feeling I already mentioned uh in the previous uh discussion. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] And the ease-of-use remote control with uh the less p possibilities but a great feeling in in touching the buttons. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Um but um [disfmarker] yeah. My personal preferences were ease of uh [disfmarker] the easy to use remote control, because uh the user-friendliness and uh [disfmarker] it can be more trendy in in user design. But um your new goal f was for uh people than [disfmarker] less than forty years old. [speaker001:] Uh-huh. [speaker002:] So maybe um the multi-function can be implemented in uh in our design. But it should b I think it should be a combination, but teletext buttons are not uh in our design. So it should uh take out, well, eight buttons or so. But my [disfmarker] in [gap] my opinion, the the easy to use RC is uh the best uh possi possibility for us. [speaker001:] Okay. Uh Ruud, did you get that? [speaker004:] Yeah, uh b uh most. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Okay, so [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] the important thing here is [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] And it's also i indeed uh uh Ruud's uh insight in the in the topic. [speaker004:] Oh, user-friendly. [speaker001:] In the market, [speaker002:] Yeah, [speaker001:] yeah. [speaker002:] what what does the market want? I I don't know. [speaker001:] Yeah, okay, w we will s we all uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Just for uh for user desi uh user uh friendliness I uh should choose for the the ease of use remote control. [speaker001:] Yeah. Okay. Sebastian. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Okay. [vocalsound] Excuse me. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Scusi. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Um [disfmarker] Okay, it's still the right thing. Okay. Um well, there are some changes in the design requirements, so there are some changes in the method also. Um basically all this device has to do is send messages to a TV set. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] And the m most easy way to do this is by uh sending pulses of infrared light to a TV set. Well, I th I tried to uh implement a picture here, but it's hardly readable. [speaker002:] Energies and uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Can you see it? [speaker001:] No, it's not visible. [speaker003:] No? Well [disfmarker] Um, there's a energy source here. [vocalsound] And um basically there [disfmarker] it's connected to three things. The user interface connected to a chip, which is connected to the sender, which generates messages using uh infrared light, which are sent to the receiver. That's basically the idea. And there's a little picture, just for your imagination, how a device like this should look or can look. [vocalsound] Okay. Um what have I found. Usually these kind of things consist of a battery, infrared diode, buttons, chips, and circuit board. That's all. It's cased together, nothing more than that. [vocalsound] It's almost every piece of equipment um every piece of uh every TV set is controlled infrared. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] There are some exceptions, but most of all have uh infrared controls. And uh the more luxury uh remote controls have lithium buttons. And I think that's what we w [speaker002:] The glow in the dark uh concept uh we discussed. [speaker003:] yes. In the [disfmarker] and it's a little more [disfmarker] a little bit more fancy also. So maybe we should consider that. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah. Okay. [speaker003:] Okay. I have a basic scheme of the things uh which are implemented. Um basically this is all there is. There's just one chip. There are a few buttons connected. Uh the buttons are lit. And the whole thing is transmitted by a infrared li diode, and there is not a power source here. [vocalsound] So that's basically the total design of this piece of equipment. There's nothing more to it. [speaker001:] So it's fairly easy. [speaker003:] It's fairly easy. It's been done many times before, [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Succeed in it also. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker003:] and I think we should uh we should c s succeed in in our plan to do this. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Okay, [speaker003:] So [disfmarker] [vocalsound] Okay, so uh [speaker001:] good. [speaker003:] personally I think we should infra use infrared, because uh otherwise our device cannot uh communicate with uh almost every TV set. So I think that uh should be clear. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] Uh another important point is uh we really should use uh energy uh sparse, friendly components. Uh there are specially uh designed um energy-friendly components which consume uh far less power than uh conventional components. And um if we want to use uh a rechargeable design or uh a energy-save design, we should really implement them. [vocalsound] Um for cost-effectiveness, we should really use a very low-cost uh circuit board, um because most of the production cost are are in this uh part of the equipment. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] And um the money we save on using this we can use uh for elaborate fancy lighting uh techniques, blinking LEDs and all that kind of fancy stuff. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] And what's the um [disfmarker] [speaker003:] I think our uh users will really uh will really like that. [speaker002:] if we use the LEDs, i does it use much more energy or [disfmarker] [speaker003:] No, they're p f uh power friendly LEDs also. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker003:] So we can use them. So that's no problem. [speaker002:] For the same costs, [speaker003:] Uh no, they're uh they're a little bit more expensive, [speaker002:] it's can be uh in our [disfmarker] [speaker003:] but by uh um um making [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Combined with the low-cost circuit board so it's uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] We can we can make its I think. [speaker004:] Well you could only lit uh the buttons [disfmarker] the buttons that are used most. So, the channel switching. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Or [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah, but but the question is whether um two or four buttons makes uh m makes such a difference in the costs if you already plan to uh include fancy lightning techniques, I guess. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker002:] But I think [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Hmm. [speaker004:] Hmm, true. [speaker002:] Yeah, I think it's the same as in the cell phone, just light in in the device that that shines on all the buttons, [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] and not for [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yes. Well, it's not one light, it [disfmarker] there are more lights in a in a in a mobile device. [speaker002:] Yeah, but not for each button one LED, I think. [speaker003:] No no no, no. That's right, that's right. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] So [disfmarker] well, this uh should be it. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Um have a think about it. [speaker001:] Yeah. Okay, [speaker004:] Oh, mine is already outdated. [speaker001:] Ruud. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Okay well, [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Since uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] we ar we are very curio curious to what the market um will feel about such a product. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] So any income is welcome. [vocalsound] Input. [speaker004:] Okay, make [disfmarker] Well [disfmarker] Uh then I'm sure the target market is uh ten million units. Of [gap] [disfmarker] of which we should sell about uh forty percent to make the five million. [speaker002:] Could you step a little bit more to the right? [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] Yeah, [speaker004:] But um since uh the other part is uh forty percent of the market, [speaker002:] thank you. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] I uh thought earlier we might want to constrain that portion of the market. But uh since uh the requirements changed, that's uh not a good idea. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Uh well, skip this. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Well, it's [disfmarker] this till true, of course. That they only use ten percent the buttons. The buttons to zap are used the [disfmarker] about uh fifteen hundred times, when uh the power button is only used one time. And the volume button's only four times. So they're obv obviously uh the most important buttons. And uh lots of people complained they kin can't find their remote control. [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker004:] So we might want to build in a feature to uh support them. Some uh audio signal. Like uh home phones. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] Or [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Well, that's interesting. [speaker003:] Or a find [disfmarker] a finding function, [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah, [speaker003:] you know. That's quite a [disfmarker] [speaker001:] that's definitely interesting. [speaker003:] yes. [speaker001:] It uh it separates our product from others uh as well. [speaker002:] Sound signal. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Okay, [speaker003:] Yes. [speaker001:] go on. [speaker004:] Well, I just said that. And uh [disfmarker] well, this obvious, and he also said it. [speaker001:] Okay. So that's what the market tells us. [speaker004:] Uh that's about it, yes. [speaker001:] Yep. Okay. [speaker002:] The volume and uh the zap buttons are the mostly used. [speaker004:] Uh mo uh zap buttons most. [speaker002:] So [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Volume, they are [gap] uh use a lot. But more than all the other buttons. So [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah, well it should just have a design [disfmarker] The perfect design for those [disfmarker] only those buttons. [speaker003:] Yes. [speaker002:] And first um [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yes, we should focus on that, I guess. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yep. [speaker003:] Well, the technical uh [disfmarker] there [disfmarker] I think there are no technical difficulties. There's no um elaborate technique uh used in this uh kind of equipment. So um I don't think we have any hiccups there. So we can fully concentrate on developing a product that is really um what the market needs. So maybe it's a good idea to think about these buttons and and uh and a sound signal. [speaker002:] Yeah, the sound signal. Just one thing I'm just wondering, [vocalsound] the sound signal, from where do you execute th the s sound? [speaker004:] Yeah, that's uh [disfmarker] [vocalsound] a problem. Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Well Yes. [vocalsound] Th that's a bit of [disfmarker] that's a problem. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Another device is not a solution. [speaker001:] Well maybe maybe like clapping in your hands, [speaker003:] Usually [disfmarker] [speaker002:] It should be uh uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] like um turning on and off the the the lights. [speaker003:] Oh yes. [speaker002:] Yeah, but maybe you'll uh get some new technologies for it. [speaker003:] Yes. Well, there there are some devices who uh incorporate this technique already. Um there are video sets and um they have a special button, the find the remote control button. You press it and your TV set starts to make a uh kind of weird sound, and your uh remote controls then start to beep. [speaker001:] Reports rep respend response to it. [speaker003:] And um [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah, just like uh the phones [speaker003:] Yes. Yes, that's it. Yes, same thing. [speaker002:] the [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] But uh th [speaker002:] But but TVs don't have all uh uh buttons. Uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] No, so we we should use something else. [speaker004:] And you [disfmarker] Yeah, [speaker001:] Yeah, [speaker004:] and usually [disfmarker] [speaker001:] because we do not have a a a a a home um [disfmarker] [speaker002:] But I believe you will have an [disfmarker] [speaker003:] We do not control the TV set so well. [speaker004:] And even if the TV set would have such a button, uh you would have to walk to your TV, [speaker003:] Yes, m yes. S and we b we want [gap] to make so it's [gap] [disfmarker] is easy as possible for our customers, [speaker004:] and it's [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] so we should think about [disfmarker] [speaker001:] So what about the clapping technique? Um because you se [speaker002:] I'm convinced uh Sebastian will uh find uh one solution for us. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] It's quite complicated. Well, it's quite complicated. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] And b [speaker003:] Because how can you separate the clapping sound from other sounds. [speaker001:] Well, you see it a lot in in light uh lightning uh uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yes, yes. Well, basically the characteristics uh the characteristics of clapping is just an increase in the volume, the amplitude of the sound, [speaker001:] Yeah, a peak. Yeah. [speaker003:] which is uh generated a few times within a uh certain period of time. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] But there are many other sounds uh which are exactly the same from the point of view from a remote control. [speaker004:] So if if you'd be watching a movie, it would constantly beep. [speaker001:] Yeah, that's true. [speaker003:] Yes, [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] so we don't want that. [speaker002:] But we can have just uh uh a home stat uh f a base station next to the TV. Just a little antenna or uh something. [speaker003:] Maybe we can [disfmarker] Something like that. [speaker002:] Well [speaker003:] Well, [speaker002:] if you lost th [speaker003:] is there not something f something more easily [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Well uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] I don't think people would bother walking to the TV and press that button because they lost the [disfmarker] their remote. [speaker003:] Well, I don't think uh [gap]. [speaker002:] Uh that's just uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] No, and y the the most important thing for people is that there's a central point to which they can go and uh b uh perform a a some kind of uh [gap]. And then uh the remote control uh reports itself, [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] so w we should use have [disfmarker] uh we should use something like that. You do not want another device, which can be uh everywhere in the house, which you have to find first before you can find your remote control. [speaker002:] [gap] just a base station next to the TV is the best possibility. [speaker003:] Yes, something like that. But that will be very costly, I think. So that's not a good idea. [speaker001:] Yeah, m maybe um w we uh we do agree on on the thing that the remote should have such a function, if it's possible within the costs and all that kind of things. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Um maybe Sebastian should have uh a detailed look later on and um come up with a solution, [speaker003:] I will. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yes. [speaker001:] because that's his [disfmarker] his field of expertise. [speaker003:] Yes. But um before I do that I w I want to warn you that uh by implementing this kind of a function the technical design will become more complicated [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] um and it will become more costly also. [speaker001:] Yep. [speaker003:] Because there will be additional components which which uh will be used. And there are some implepe imp [speaker002:] And do we even uh prefer the sound above the the LEDs, the lightning uh function? [speaker003:] Well, I I think so, because um when you have a p newspaper over your remote control, you cannot see it. [speaker002:] It's a unique item uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] So [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah, it's a distinction in the market. [speaker002:] It will be an [disfmarker] a unique feature of our remote control. [speaker001:] It's a different [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] exactly. It's an uni an unique feature, [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] and um I think um it's worth um uh looking and and [disfmarker] probably more i interesting than uh than the lights. [speaker002:] And just about uh the user interface, I came up with um [vocalsound] an easy remote control and an advanced remote control. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] What should we choose in in design? [speaker001:] Yeah. Well, um according to Ruud, um people do not use um all the extra features very very often. [speaker002:] Well, the extra functions. [speaker001:] So [disfmarker] [speaker004:] I have the numbers r I have the numbers right here. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] Well, t uh we won't support teletext which which was the third-most [disfmarker] the second-most used function. [speaker002:] Used option. [speaker001:] Okay. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Okay. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Well, we we do have a wise board, so I'm not questioning that. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Uh well [disfmarker] yeah, channel selection is obviously the most important. [speaker001:] Yeah. Okay, so on the relevance scale uh the channel selection, the volume selection and the teletext. [speaker004:] So [disfmarker] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker001:] Well, we skip that. [speaker004:] So [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Well, [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] so it just th the basic functions. And we don't have to use it for DVD players uh and all kind of stuff. [speaker003:] No, no. [speaker001:] No. [speaker002:] So [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Nope. [speaker003:] So that's out of the question. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] So [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Just through uh the easy uh design. We can make uh a nice design when when there's not mu uh much buttons in it. [speaker001:] Uh uh uh I think we should go for the easier one. [speaker003:] I think also. Yes. Well, [speaker002:] So [disfmarker] [speaker003:] we should save costs uh by not implementing a lot of functions [speaker001:] No. [speaker003:] and uh the money that we can save from that we should use for uh having a nice design and uh thinking about the user interface [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] and [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Okay, Ruud, how do you feel about that? Uh do you agree, do you think the market would would respond to uh a simple [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Uh well if we um include other uh innovative functions [disfmarker] [vocalsound] uh then they uh might, [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] 'cause young people uh like new features. [speaker001:] Mm yeah. [speaker004:] So [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah, that's right. [speaker001:] Okay, so [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker001:] this is is kind of uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Uh just a few buttons, trendy design, nice lightning effects wh and the sound. [speaker003:] Okay. Well, is it [disfmarker] maybe there's another possibility. You can make it look like an easy s piece of equipment, but it's quite elaborated, uh because it has many functions. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Maybe it's more important to make the [disfmarker] make it look like a very uh friendly, easy to catch piece of equipment, but um nevertheless [disfmarker] [speaker001:] But but are we not in in the in the manual uh [disfmarker] I mean if you have few buttons, no display, um I mean uh I guess it's l it's working with with a shift functions and um one button can uh [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Ok like that. Well, I was more thinking about a more elaborate way of controlling, by by these kinds of sticks or something like that. I don't know if if it's user-friendly. That's your field of expertise. [speaker002:] Yeah, [speaker001:] But but how does how does the remote uh report uh r uh give back to the user w in what state it is? [speaker002:] I don't know yet. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Because we do not implement uh a user history. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. There's [disfmarker] no, but there's no way to do that, because we cannot implement that kind of the system. [speaker001:] I know, but but if we use uh like a stick, for example, um [disfmarker] [speaker003:] W Mm-hmm. Well, maybe we can use a light for that. When you move the stick to a to a position, maybe uh a light next to it can lit up. So you know I've just uh pushed the button, or I changed the channel or t uh turned up the volume. Something like that. [speaker004:] And if you use that stick for volume control and channel uh selection, you have the m two most important functions in one uh button. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yes. [speaker001:] Uh and we could have other buttons for the for the advanced uh functions. [speaker002:] But does it [disfmarker] uh I then should n just use uh i instead of the stick, uh like many cell phones, just a round m well, should we just use a [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah, draw draw it on the board. [speaker002:] Um it's already uh [disfmarker] oh, we have a blank. Oh. [speaker003:] Oh yeah, something like that. It's not really a stick, [speaker002:] It's just an easy uh way of of a round button what [disfmarker] which can be pushed in four directions. Instead of a stick. [speaker003:] but [disfmarker] Yes. Yes. [speaker002:] A stick is v vulnerab vulnerable when it's falling down [speaker003:] Hmm. [speaker001:] Yeah, it can break down. [speaker002:] or uh [speaker003:] Yes, yes. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] just a round uh button should be the trick, I think. [speaker003:] And [disfmarker] Yes, and this also looks more fancy, I think. I think it it will attract uh more uh uh public, I think. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] A younger uh [disfmarker] Huh. [speaker003:] But you're the marketing man. [speaker004:] And it's also quite easy to use, so it'll [disfmarker] it [disfmarker] uh attract younger people because well new, and it might attract older people because it's easy to use. [speaker002:] Geez. Well, volume and something uh like that. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Uh-huh. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] The programme up and down. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Okay, yeah. [speaker002:] And the vol yeah, the pen doesn't uh really does what I want. [speaker003:] Okay, that's good. [speaker001:] Okay, but w we still [vocalsound] we're still in the question of uh um uh putting in advanced options. Um Ruud just told us um the market is interested in some advanced uh new techniques. Um however, uh keeping it simple is is important for the costs and all all those kind of things. We need to find a balance between uh the advanced techniques and and the user-friendliness. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] But I think our our next step to look at is just that. So I don't think it's [disfmarker] um we have something to do. Uh we can't discuss it right now, because n no one of us have [disfmarker] has the information to discuss about that, I think. [speaker001:] Um well, for [disfmarker] we do have to uh decide this this meeting. [speaker002:] Yes? [speaker001:] Yeah. We need to um have the uh the user function [disfmarker] uh the functions decided and um [vocalsound] uh our target audience. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker002:] 'Kay, [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker002:] but teletext is so uh is just scrapped. [speaker003:] Do do you want a list of functions? Do you want an explicit list? Uh which uh incorporates all function available on the device? [speaker001:] Um well, I do not want a full uh [disfmarker] it's not necessary to to have a full list, but I want um the kind of functions, for example uh th the most important are volume and uh programme selecting. [speaker003:] Okay. Okay. Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] The ten digits. [speaker001:] Well, for example, that that's what we should think about. [gap] l how is the remote going to look? Not not in the user interface, but [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Oh, and just one function. The the the the programme to programme button, the switch to uh two channels, when you have uh something on channel four and something on channel six, just one button which which can uh change [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. Yes. [speaker001:] Yeah. A bit of a split mode. [speaker003:] Change. [speaker001:] Uh l like [disfmarker] Yeah. [speaker002:] [disfmarker] yeah. [speaker003:] Yes, yes. [speaker001:] Dual channel watch. [speaker003:] Yes. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Okay, well um m maybe I should write that down. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Well [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] you're the secretary. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Uh Ruud, um what's your last name? [speaker004:] Mielsen. [speaker001:] Mielsen, because I I was writing it down in the last uh [disfmarker] Mielsen. Right. Um I put all the minutes I make into the shared folder. So if you want to have a look at it, you know where to find it. Um [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Mm okay, [speaker002:] Alright. [speaker003:] but make a s make a sub-folder for it, because it's starting to fill up already. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah, that's that's [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] if you want to do it, Sebastian. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Sure. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Our BSC uh W uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [gap]. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [gap] [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Okay, um [disfmarker] [vocalsound] Okay, so so um [disfmarker] [vocalsound] uh [disfmarker] Volume. Programme. Uh dual channel. Uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yes, that's important. [speaker001:] And and do we want um the ten digits? [speaker002:] The ten digits? Yeah, I believe so. [speaker003:] Well, are are you sure? [speaker004:] Well, if you want to go to channel ninety and you have th that button. [speaker003:] I'm not so sure. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Well, that's complicated, [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] but is that so relevant? Because I don't think [disfmarker] but you should uh shou you should know that. If it were so. [speaker002:] I wouldn't buy it personally. A remote control without the ten digits. [speaker003:] Okay, I can imagine when [speaker002:] Uh and I think the most [disfmarker] [speaker001:] I agree actually. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] I can imagine when you're [disfmarker] when you have a satellite decoder and and you have, well, about six hundred channels, I can imagine you want this. [speaker002:] Just elder elder people would would buy it, [speaker004:] Well [disfmarker] [speaker002:] but [disfmarker] [speaker003:] But if you're uh a regular TV user, and you just want uh to watch the the Dutch television networks, well, you can uh [disfmarker] [gap] [disfmarker] you can use uh about ten buttons. That's enough. [speaker001:] But we do have thirteen different Dutch channels. [speaker004:] But [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yep. [speaker004:] Yeah, [speaker002:] The older people only use five of them. [speaker004:] and if if we [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Well, but how how often do you watch all these channels? [speaker004:] And if we are targeting at the younger audience, they will probably watch more channels than the older people. [speaker001:] Often. [speaker004:] So [disfmarker] [speaker003:] No, you're probably right. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Okay. But I think these uh ten uh buttons look a bit dull. Don't you think? [speaker001:] Well, it depends on the on the on the looks, [speaker003:] The design. [speaker001:] on the on the [disfmarker] [speaker002:] On the design. [speaker003:] Okay. Well, y then there should be [disfmarker] should done [disfmarker] be done something specific with it. [speaker004:] Well [disfmarker] [speaker001:] You c [vocalsound] you can d make them very fancy [speaker004:] And [disfmarker] [speaker001:] by um [disfmarker] [vocalsound] I mean Nokia, they have ten digits on their phones [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] and it still looks very fancy. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] So I'm I'm [disfmarker] I do not agree [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Okay, so you can experiment by [disfmarker] uh with with shape or with size or with colour, that kind of thing. [speaker001:] Exactly, exactly. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker004:] And um there are some numbers about uh speech recognition here that uh younger people would like it. Uh it might be expensive and uh hard to implement, but it would be a solution uh for [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Okay, speech. [speaker003:] Well, maybe it can be combined with the find the remote control. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] So um when you add uh speech recognition to your remote control, uh it's very easy to change uh the channel. That's one thing. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] And it's very easy uh to find your remote control. [speaker001:] To find [disfmarker] yeah. [speaker003:] So maybe that's a possibility, but I'm afraid it will be a bit costly. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] But maybe when we uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Uh [disfmarker] If if we would um drop the ten digits [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] but keep the programme and the volume, because maybe people do not always want to use their voice, um [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Okay. Okay, okay. [speaker004:] Especially elder people uh don't like voice recognition. So then we should implement such a but [speaker001:] Yeah. But we do focus on younger people. We d it [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker004:] Yes. [speaker001:] it's a board uh decision. [speaker003:] Well. I I think it should uh should work, it sh we should manage that. [speaker002:] So we have to i to make um a decision between the ten digits or the voice recognition. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] Yes. Well, the voice recognition has the main adva has another advantage. It's mas it makes it very easy for us to implement the find uh find the remote control button [disfmarker] uh remote control function. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] So that's that's a big advantage, I think. [speaker001:] Okay. Okay, g good. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] There's only one disadvantage uh by implementing this. Um the power saving power saving will be a bit more difficult. So we can expect that there will be a less longer life to the batteries. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker003:] But maybe can [disfmarker] we we can think something smart about it. [speaker001:] Yep. [speaker003:] There are some uh hybrid hybrid devices which incorporate a solar panel and rechargeable batteries. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] So when you just leave the device in a in a light room, it charges itself. [speaker001:] But [disfmarker] But but can we manage it bu uh for the costs? [speaker003:] You have to do nothing for it. [speaker004:] M [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Twelve dollar fifty. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Maybe, maybe not. [speaker001:] Because it seems like a very [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] And uh if we if we could inc uh include a c a cradle in which it could recharge, then there wouldn't be uh a big problem. [speaker003:] I'll have to find that out. Yes. So [disfmarker] No, that's very cheap. [speaker004:] 'Cause when [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Is a cradle very cheap? [speaker003:] It's [disfmarker] Oh, it's very cheap. That's no problem. It's just a a case with two uh metal contacts. [speaker001:] I know, [speaker003:] It's [disfmarker] [speaker001:] b uh but there should be an adapter as well. [speaker003:] Yes, but they're they're mass production. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] They're very cheap. So it will cost us p practically nothing. [speaker001:] Okay. Okay. We we have uh about ten minutes left this meeting. Um [vocalsound] I would like to hear um [disfmarker] maybe maybe you all have th uh things not um spoken about, yeah, but that are important. Uh Ruud, you you came up with the voice recognition uh data. Uh are there other things about the market we should know? [speaker004:] Um I think we dealt with the most important information. Just that the younger part of uh the market isn't the forty percent we uh want to sell to. So we we should uh for least a bit uh look at the uh older people. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] But with uh buttons like that, which are easy to use, we uh might attract them too. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] So [disfmarker] I don't think that's a big problem [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Okay, so although we are focussing on younger people uh to make it uh profitable uh [disfmarker] Profitable. We we [disfmarker] yeah, we still need to take in account the the bit older people. [speaker004:] Yes. Yeah, profitable. [speaker003:] Profitable. [speaker004:] Yes. [speaker001:] Okay. O okay. [vocalsound] Um Roo. [speaker002:] I have nothing uh nothing to add, I think. [speaker001:] [gap] [disfmarker] Nothing to add. Sebastian? [speaker003:] Um I just want to make a summary of all all things uh spoken and uh the different possibilities. Um [speaker001:] Yeah? Great. [speaker003:] so uh basically we've decided to implement a seemingly uh easy design. So on the outside it looks easy, but uh we can make it easy on the inside or elaborate on the inside. So that's one [disfmarker] the [disfmarker] those are the choices we have to make. But I think there's a big advantage in making it more elaborate by uh implementing uh speech techniques, uh voice recognition, that [disfmarker] these kinds of things. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. Yeah. [speaker003:] Um it makes it also more uh attractable, I think, to our uh audience. Um there are some advantages and some disadvantages, and the main advantage is that we can implement uh fancy techniques, which uh I think our customers will like. The disadvantage is that there are some concerns about uh the the costs and um the things like uh battery lifetime, energy saving. [speaker001:] Yep. [speaker003:] Uh another advantage is that the circuit board will become much more easier if we do not [disfmarker] do not implement these buttons. [vocalsound] If we just add uh uh a chip which does the voice recognition, uh our circuit board will become even more cheap. So that's another [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah, and that was the main issue, right? The the board [disfmarker] [speaker003:] well, it wa it w it was an issue, but we also thought that [disfmarker] we already thought we should do it as cheaply as possible. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] And this even uh makes it more cheapy. [speaker002:] But the cheaper the ch uh the the chip or th what was it? [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] The board. [speaker002:] The circuit board. [speaker003:] The circuit board. [speaker002:] The fewer buttons you can use on it. [speaker003:] The fewer buttons you have, the ch ch the cheaper the circuit board, yes. [speaker001:] No, it's th yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah, okay. [speaker001:] It's the other way around, yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] And it's very cheap uh to incorporate uh uh an integrated circuit, a chip. So that's that's another advantage. [speaker001:] It shouldn't be a big issue. [speaker002:] Well it [disfmarker] then we should just uh take a look at the costs and uh [disfmarker] especially for the voice recognition. [speaker003:] So [disfmarker] Yes, because I don't know [disfmarker] Yes. I d I really don't know. So [disfmarker] [speaker002:] No. [speaker003:] It can be costly. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] Maybe not. [speaker001:] I'm not sure how how we'll f uh determine the costs, I will have a look at it. Maybe you will get some information on that. [speaker003:] Yes. [speaker001:] Um I'm not sure how how that [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yes, I al I I hope my personal coach will uh [vocalsound] have a lo uh look at it. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yep. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Okay, great. Um [vocalsound] well, I think we're qui quite done. [speaker002:] We're done, I think. [speaker001:] Um for now we will have the lunch break. [speaker003:] How nice. [speaker001:] Um I'm [disfmarker] don't know how long the break will be, but we'll find out. [speaker002:] Me neither. [speaker001:] Um then we will have thirty minutes of time to perform our individual work, uh and I'm sure your personal coaches will uh assist you with it. Um I will put the minutes I just made in the project documents folder. If you want to look at it um well, just do. Um [vocalsound] the Interface Designer, um I would like to [disfmarker] the next meeting I would like to receive the uh components concept. [speaker002:] Interface [disfmarker] industrial. [speaker001:] Uh [disfmarker] I'm sorry, yeah, [speaker002:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] I'm sorry. User Interface Designer, uh Roo, I would like to see the user interface c uh concept. [speaker003:] Well, we understand. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] And um [speaker002:] Uh the only problem is it [disfmarker] that it depends on the divisions [disfmarker] the decis uh decisions Sebastian makes. About the voice recognition. [speaker003:] Well [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Well, i it should be easy, [speaker002:] Well [disfmarker] [speaker001:] that's w w what we concluded. It should be an easy interface with not so much buttons. S just a a p a p a volume and a programme one. And um [vocalsound] um yeah, some some fancy lights. [speaker003:] Mm yes. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] I think that's what we decided. [speaker003:] So we drop the voice recognition? [speaker001:] No no no, we didn't [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Or [disfmarker] Oh. [speaker001:] but it shouldn't be integrated [disfmarker] yeah, it's [disfmarker] of course it's user interface, but um i I was talking about really the design of the [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Okay. Well um do we really have to decide now or can we decide next meeting? [speaker001:] No. We can decide the next meeting. Yep. [speaker003:] Okay. Because I'll have some updated info on that uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah. I guess all of you have i updated info. I'm sure the marketing expert will receive uh t uh you will do some trend watching. [speaker002:] Yep. [speaker001:] And I'm sure the market will um uh [vocalsound] [gap] uh will change, adapt [speaker004:] Hmm. [speaker002:] Adapt. [speaker003:] Adapt. [speaker004:] Left. Hmm. [speaker001:] and um so we will see that. Um yeah, that's it for now. [speaker002:] That's it. 'Kay. [speaker001:] Any other questions or can we have the lunch? [speaker003:] We can have the lunch. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah, okay. [speaker002:] I'll take the lunch. [speaker001:] Good.

[speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Mm yeah. [speaker001:] Okay. [vocalsound] I g yeah. Time is it? [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Fourteen twenty six. [speaker001:] Okay. Lovely to see you all again. Um [vocalsound] it's our conceptual design meeting and it's starting at approximately fourteen twenty five and so we have forty minutes for this one again and so we'll go just after three o'clock. Um okay [vocalsound] our agenda, we're gonna do an opening, I'm gonna review the minutes of the last meeting, then we'll have your three presentations um and then we'll have to make a decision on the remote control concepts, and finally we'll close. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] So opening. Um these are our minutes from r the functional design. We decided our target group is the focus on who can afford it, because we have international appeal and we said it's for all age groups, different um functions of it. Our main objectives were simplicity and fashion. [vocalsound] And s um in specific functions are something to keep the remote from getting lost, large buttons for the essential functions, a possibility for extra functions, like a sliding a sliding piece [vocalsound] and a long-life battery or a charging station. Okay, now three presentations. I'd like to do it in this order, first do the conceptual specification of components, properties and materials [vocalsound] um and then the conceptual specification of user interface [vocalsound] and finally trend watching. [speaker002:] That would be me. [speaker003:] Yep. [speaker002:] Alright. Well. [speaker001:] Mm. 'kay. Function F eight it. There we go. [speaker002:] Alright. Um I'm very excited by this one actually guys I uh had a lot of fun doing it. Components design. This is where you look at what does it take to make a remote control and what should we make our specific remote control out of. [vocalsound] Um. So, we need to examine each element separately, but we're designing a full thing, so you wanna keep it integrated as a whole. The main elements of remote controls in general, and therefore ours as well, are the case, the buttons, the circuit board with the chip and the battery. These are all things that we had sort of addressed before, but I'm gonna take each one a little bit separately here as we figure out what they should be made of and what they should look like. The case, uh the options that I've gotten from headquarters about what we can do, um there's there's the shape of a case, we could do a flat sh a flat case, a curved case or maybe even a double double-curved case. I haven't seen any pictures of what this exactly looks like yet, just keep that in mind, but these are the options that we have from manufacturing and we can make our case out of plastic, the m the main base will be plastic, but we have all these sort of fashion and technological elements we can add in, wood, latex, titanium, rubber or other coloured types of plastic. That would be our case. Um buttons, for buttons we have um pushbuttons, which is what Real Reaction uses the most often, but we also have scror scroll wheels, which can have integrated pushbuttons, [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker002:] or we could go all high-tech and have an L LCD screen. [vocalsound] Um circuit board and chip we can have a simple one, a regular one or an advanced one, depending on what our other needs are. And then battery I think is where things get most exciting. We're talking about long-life batteries here. [vocalsound] Um we can we can have your sort of basic double A batteries, but we also have these options of um [vocalsound] using a kinetic battery, like are used in high-tech watches, where you just have to move it a little bit to get it to power up. Um so simple movements like pushing buttons would recharge the battery. Or a solar battery, although there are slight um [vocalsound] complications with solar batteries as in we can't use a latex case if we have a solar battery. [speaker001:] Hmm. [speaker002:] Or um something they only described as the type of battery you find in torches from about fifty years ago, flashlights. Not quite sure what that is, but that's the description that I received, so that's what I'm passing on to you. [vocalsound] So those are our options. Um personal preferences that I was thinking through [disfmarker] here's what we've been talking about all through, fashion and simplicity. So if we're going for fashion in our cases, I think that what we're gonna wanna look at is a curved or a double-curved case, probably with a variety of design elements. Maybe titanium, maybe some wood. We're gonna have to investigate that better when I get specifics of the actual materials, but that's sort of what I have in mind. And we wanna go for simplicity. Probably pushbuttons, but I'm sort of intrigued by the idea of a scroll scroll wheel, if anyone has anything [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker002:] any ideas on that? I mean I know the iPods and things right now have touch scroll um buttons which are exactly like what they're describing, so that might be something we wanna look into. And I'm really intrigued by the idea of a kinetic battery. [vocalsound] Solar I don't think would be such a good idea, because how often are you sure that your remote control will get a certain amount of light. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] But this idea of the kinetic, that you don't have to replace, and that a simple just shaking it around will make it work, I think that that m would be a very interesting thing. But I think we'd also wanna go for e a simple chip or regular chip to keep our costs down. Uh we really only need a regular or advanced chip t if we're gonna start using an LCD. So I think we want to be aware of not making things overly t technological if they don't need to be, 'cause that'll keep our manufacturing price way down. That's what I have for options. Um I'd appreciate anyone's input, but that's what I'm seeing for the future of the the look of this thing. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Is double-curved like [disfmarker] would be like two hands kind of thing? [speaker002:] I'm not sure. I haven't received any specific [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker002:] visuals of this yet. [speaker004:] 'Cause I'm imagining like double-curved is like, you know, like two sides that curve [speaker002:] This is what I'm sort of [disfmarker] [speaker004:] and then like one curve would just be like a single vertical-ish kind of looking thing, [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker004:] but I've no idea. [speaker002:] I'm not sure, but I'll let you know as soon as I get any pictures. [speaker004:] Sounds good. [speaker001:] Yeah, I wonder [disfmarker] [speaker002:] I know if we do have a double-curved case, it can't have any titanium in it. But the titanium, they were quite [disfmarker] they're marketing quite hard to us as being used in the space programme, so that could be quite interesting. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Space-age remote. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Just all things to keep in mind. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Just an interesting marketing kind of element. [speaker002:] Yeah. [vocalsound] That's about all I have to do, guys. I hope I didn't go through that too quickly. [speaker001:] Uh just a real quick question um the weight of these different elements, have you [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah, n no idea, no idea. [speaker001:] no idea, okay. [speaker002:] Um I'm assuming that a kinetic battery isn't gonna take up that much weight, [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] and that a tita titanium is very light, I know, [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] um but other than [disfmarker] that's really basic, [speaker001:] [gap] [speaker002:] I mean, that's all I have gotten so far. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] Alright? Any other questions? [speaker003:] Uh-huh. Don't think so. [speaker002:] No? Okay. [speaker001:] Mm 'kay. [speaker002:] I have save this in the uh shared projects, if anyone wants to look [speaker001:] Thank you, perfect. [speaker002:] and I have c considerable notes on the topic as well, if anyone needs any more information. Uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Thanks. [speaker001:] Um if you made notes yourself you can put those on our um [disfmarker] underneath our [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Just in my notebook, [speaker001:] oh, uh in your book, then don't worry about that. [speaker002:] but if anyone has any specific questions, don't hesitate to email me or something. Alright? Uh I guess I can [disfmarker] [speaker001:] 'Kay now we're um concepts concepts of user interface. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah, um. This one's so much tighter than the other one. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] I know. [speaker001:] Okay. Nope. There we go. Here you are. [speaker003:] Jess. [speaker002:] G oh, geez. [speaker003:] Alright, so I'm gonna describe the the concept of the user interface of this des device. Um we've talked about uh the two essential properties of the user interface. We want it to be simple and we want it to be fashionable. Um other [disfmarker] we've also got to remember that this is a device that serves as a useful purpose. Uh we want people to be able to use it s as a remote control, so we need to determine what the essential functions of the d of the device are and make sure that we include [disfmarker] that we've included all of those and that we actually end up with a device that is going to be useful to people. We have a number of different choices for a design concept um and s that's that's something that that I'll show you some examples of um, but essentially we need to choose how how is this device going to work, how how [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] what kind of model is there going to be for user interaction with this device. Uh once we've chosen a a concept for it, we can then design the features around the concept, making sure that we get all the essential functions in the device and uh the extra functions and the more advanced features. And of course we also have to make it look cool. So basically, [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] that's what we don't want. [vocalsound] M we don't want lots of buttons, uh complicated features. We want something that looks nice and simple. Here's a a fairly simple device. [speaker002:] Hmm. [speaker003:] This is an an iPod from Apple. Um I think the main thing to notice about it is it just has four buttons. It's very minimalistic in its design. Uh you use these four buttons to m to move around a range of settings on the small LCD screen. Um [vocalsound] the thing I like about this is that it's very very quick to access the main features. Uh you can just about make out uh that the button [disfmarker] three buttons are uh previous track, next track and play pause. They're the main the main features of the iPod, the things you will use a all the time. Um then if you want to do anything more advanced, you go into the little menu on the LCD screen and you use the buttons just to scroll around and and find the more advanced features that you want. So I think that's that's a good a good kind of model that we could have. Um [vocalsound] here's a another example. This is uh [disfmarker] it's an interesting idea and I think i it looks pretty cool. Um it's certainly got novelty value. Uh it's nice and colourful, it's nice and bright. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker003:] Uh it's also something that you can kind of feel your way around. The buttons are are different shapes and and you can sort of [disfmarker] yeah if you're watching TV in the dark or whatever, you can work out which button's which and basically, yeah it's ith it's fun. So I [vocalsound] I like I like this idea of just having buttons for the features that you use most often. So you'd need a few buttons to select your favourite channels. I mean most people, when they watch TV, they have two hundred and fifty channels on their TV and they watch of 'bout four of them at the most. So, you have buttons for your favourite channel, changing the volume, which is something you do all the time when you're watching TV, and the button to switch it off, in case you get bored. Um other features, things like adjusting the brightness, tuning the TV, uh I don't know what else you do with a TV. Um but these are these are all necessary functions. Uh you can't have a t there's no point having a television that you can't tune or that you can't set the contrast, so we need to find a way of including these somehow. Um and one other suggestions I'd make is to in is to include in a menu system, a bit like on the iPod. So we'd either have a small LCD display on the device itself, or uh have a dis a menu display that comes up on your television and can b be controlled through the device. [speaker002:] Hmm. [speaker003:] And that would allow you to access access the advanced features uh whilst keeping a very small and simple set of buttons for the features that you use most often. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker002:] So you'd be advocating an LCD then? [speaker003:] I think that's [vocalsound] that's one way to go, yes. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker003:] Um I mean there are there are advantages and disadvantages if you if you have an LCD display, it's it's nice, because it's [disfmarker] it it lets you just sort of sit there and st and control your television from your armchair. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] There are disadvantages, an an LCD display would have to be quite small, 'cause we're we're [vocalsound] I [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Right [speaker003:] well we're [disfmarker] I assume we're gonna be making quite a small device. Um it would also have to have uh a kind of backlighting in it, 'cause you ten you tend to watch TV in the dark, [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Right. [speaker003:] but you need to be able to see your LDD LCD display. The alternative is to have a [vocalsound] an on-screen display on your television that you control through your remote control. Uh a bit like a bit like how they have these um digital boxes where you you press the buttons and it comes up with your [disfmarker] this thing of watch lo what's on each channel. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] I mean that that's also a good idea. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker003:] It's it can it does have it's problems as well, if you've got a small TV and you're sitting on the other side of a room, it's hard to read the little text that comes up. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] Uh but that's a that's a design decision that we can make. [speaker002:] 'Kay. [speaker001:] I do think that um one of the important features for a remote is seeing a menu and seeing what's on. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Um and so [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] like favourite channels is is applicable, but I think th that you do need to have some kind of function where it's [disfmarker] um you have t you can see the title of the show or possibly a description of it. [speaker002:] Well [disfmarker] Are you are you tak [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Like I I know I use that often enough. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Wait, but is that separate from what he was saying? [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Well if it if it was a L LCD on th on the remote, I don't know that you could f that you'd be able to see a [disfmarker] [speaker002:] No, I think I think we're talking menu like contrast and tuning the VCR or something if I've understood you correctly, rather than menu as what's on. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] Yeah, that that would be one of the features, yes. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] But it's it's it's [speaker001:] 'Cause that would be more specifically a digital box, [speaker003:] something to bear in mind is that if we put a display on the remote control the c uh communication is one way, [speaker001:] mm-hmm. [speaker003:] so you can't have the televisions and information back to the remote control, at least I don't think you can. [speaker002:] Oh, good point. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker003:] Um I'm not sure. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Okay, [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Should I plug that in? [speaker001:] now we're moving on to market. Marketing. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Is that going on? Okay. [speaker004:] Maybe it's just not [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Uh that should be alright, actually. [speaker004:] Is it on? Ri What F do you have to press, five? [speaker001:] Eight. [speaker004:] I just keep pressing lots of 'em. Well, I don't know how relevant all of this gonna be. [vocalsound] If anything, the [gap] that they gave me. [speaker002:] No signal. [speaker001:] Oops, it's not plugged in, quite in well enough. [speaker004:] Alright. [speaker001:] There we are. [speaker002:] Oop, there we go. [speaker001:] Mm 'kay. [speaker004:] Oh yeah. [vocalsound] Okay, so we're gonna look a little bit at trend watching. [vocalsound] Basically, I was given um an executive summary that was a market investigation on remote controls that was recently conducted, and then also some fashion watchers in Paris and Milan commented on some things that are gonna be going on this year. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] So first um they had people [disfmarker] they ranked um the important aspects of r remote controls, and right now i d they're saying that currently there's a functional look and feel preference, but that really, over the next year it it that's gonna be switching to fancy look and feel remotes, so that just goes back to the whole desire of our c Real Reaction company wanting to focus on fashion and so, even though we're stressing, when we're talking, we've all been talking about this like simplicity and easy to use idea, they're sort of wanting us to remember that the number one thing for everyone is that it's fancy look and feel. And as these are ranked, the top one is doubly important to the second one, which is doubly important to the third one, so just to take that weight into account. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] The second thing that was mentioned as important was the technological innovations. That would be like if we use something like the space material or the LCD screen, things like that. And then ease of use was the third most important, whi so really, no matter what, we need to focus the most on fancy look and feel, according to this. I don't know how much we agree with that. [vocalsound] And then [vocalsound] the fashion watch talks about that this year's top trend for clothes, [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] shoes and furniture is fruits and vegetables and tha that there's a preference for spongy, [vocalsound] tight material. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] S sweet. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] And so that brings us to my personal preferences. Who wants a spongy remote or one with [vocalsound] fruit and vegetable padding. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Personally, I don't really think that I want one that's gonna go out of style or go stale, excuse the pun, um in a year, so [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] even though this is coming from us as, you know, trend watch, market research, I don't know how much of it we necessarily [vocalsound] wanna take away. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Also, considering that the d research b has been carried out by Real Reaction, I'm a little hesitant as to [vocalsound] like, how these questions may have been worded, and if necessarily this whole fashion to technology y edas ease of use is necessarily the right ranking. Personally, like I might reverse it, but if we're working for this company then I guess no matter what, we have to stress fashion the most. [vocalsound] But [vocalsound] it doesn't necessarily need to be a spongy material. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Mm. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] That [disfmarker] there's all kinds of scope for imagination in that one though. [speaker004:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] I don't have a lot of notes to share if you want them, [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] that pretty much sums it up. So yeah. [speaker001:] Okay, do we have any [disfmarker] s some questions for this, let's see um. [speaker004:] Yeah, what can I possibly enlighten on? [speaker001:] Um do you have any ideas how to possibly use these? Um how to how to use a fruit or vegetable or um or the spongy material at all? [speaker003:] [gap] [speaker001:] Like could we make a s like could we make a spongy remote? It would be easier on the hands. [speaker002:] If it's latex [disfmarker] if it's latexy [disfmarker] [speaker001:] It's kind of [disfmarker] and then it [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Um, mean [disfmarker] [speaker003:] A kind of thing that [disfmarker] [speaker001:] we would have to find a way to protect like the chip and all that, I dunno. [speaker002:] An uh I [disfmarker] if [disfmarker] th [vocalsound] [speaker001:] But [disfmarker] [speaker002:] my understanding of a latex case is that it's in fact hard to protect stuff inside, but that it's covered with the latex, [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] which is spongier and softer on your hands. It's [disfmarker] there's something to be said, I mean we we got that thing earlier from you about um not wanting it to [disfmarker] R R repetitive stress injuries and things [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] and and [disfmarker] Yeah, [speaker004:] Yeah, so something, m m instead of a necess [speaker002:] something grippable, I mean we don't we don't we don't wanna go spongy, maybe. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] yeah, grip, I'm thinking grip more than like sinking into your hands, [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker004:] you know, i and I think I'm envisioning more like, you know, the material that you have when you sit on like a bicycle, [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] so that it doesn't hurt when you're sitting down for a long time, [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] like I'm imagining that sort of thing, I don't know what th that material's called. [speaker002:] Yeah, I think that given the list of materials I w I was forwarded it's [disfmarker] that seems doable. [vocalsound] could we go in fruit and vegetable colours? We could colour-co-ordinate them, [speaker001:] F for sure, [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] or maybe like [speaker002:] li [speaker001:] um couple main ones being like, I dunno, lemons or strawberries or something. [speaker002:] The buttons could be fruit-shaped. [speaker001:] Could they be smelly? [speaker003:] [vocalsound] I Is it supposed to be shaped like a vegetable? Uh like uh I dunno, like uh carrots or something. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Oh God. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Oh well [speaker001:] I don't know. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] it's quite easy to s shape thing like carrot [speaker001:] Or carrot shaped, mm. [speaker002:] isn't it? [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Maybe, [speaker002:] Or maybe the buttons could be shaped like different fruits. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Like large button, [speaker003:] or [disfmarker] [speaker001:] that's what I was thinking of, yeah. [speaker004:] What about the idea of like a round remote? Instead of like a vertical up and down one. Like in terms of holding it. Like that's a f shape of a fruit. [speaker002:] [gap] be [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Kind of like a potato. [speaker002:] yeah. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] It'd be harder to f bu uh buttons I think. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Just to tie it in a little. [speaker001:] Might [disfmarker] would you think you you [disfmarker] do you think you'd be able to hold it? 'Cause I think the reason they're long is [disfmarker] yeah. [speaker002:] It'd be harder to press button. [speaker003:] Depends. [speaker001:] Harder to push. [speaker003:] When you when you use a remote, do you press the buttons with your thumb, usually? [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Or your fingers? [speaker002:] Um [disfmarker] [speaker001:] I usually hold it in one hand. Maybe [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Or maybe you want something that's shaped like a mobile phone, [speaker002:] I [disfmarker] [speaker003:] so you you hold it in one hand, and you press the buttons with your thumb. [speaker002:] Yeah, that's ts how I tend to do it. [speaker001:] But then the buttons would have to be very small. [speaker004:] Yeah, [speaker001:] Don't you think? [speaker004:] 'cause otherwise your fingers can't move around. [speaker002:] No just thumb-sized. Jus [speaker004:] But I like i [speaker001:] But I mean in order to get to all of them, [speaker003:] Yeah [vocalsound]. [speaker001:] you know. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] They would have to be within a certain amount of space with each other. [speaker003:] Maybe. [speaker002:] That's true. [speaker003:] But if you've only got like four or five buttons anyway, then it's it's not so much a problem, perhaps. [speaker002:] Right. I When I'm when I'm pressing buttons on my iPod, that's how I do it, hold it and press the four. Yeah. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] So you hold it in one hand and you press you press the buttons with your thumb [speaker002:] Yeah, [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] or in and use my thumb or my pointer finger on the touch scroll wheel. [speaker003:] and [disfmarker] And you find that works quite well? [speaker004:] I love the idea of the wheel like the iPod. [speaker002:] Yeah [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] Is that [disfmarker] [speaker004:] 'Cause th [speaker003:] The button on an iPod, is it [disfmarker] what is it, is it just four buttons or is it li more like a scroll thing? [speaker004:] It's like five, [speaker001:] It's a scroll, yeah, it's a wheel. [speaker004:] 'cause there's one in the middle. [speaker002:] It [disfmarker] wel well [vocalsound] yeah, it would [disfmarker] I mean each version of it has been a little bit different, [speaker001:] The one I have doesn't have the four on i like around it, I don't think. [speaker002:] but [disfmarker] Oh yeah, you had one of the in-between ones, when they weren't doing that anymore. Ts [speaker003:] Right. [speaker002:] and you press the centre button, that's that's your all-purpose select button right there. [speaker003:] Oh, I see, right, yeah. Oh, okay. [speaker002:] Since it's the one in the centre that's not marked, yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah, that's quite a good design. [speaker004:] I think why it would be good for us is 'cause like you could have the same wheel sort of effect for like channel flipping and then the other one could be like for volume. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Like just the idea of like those [disfmarker] so few buttons for main things, [speaker002:] Uh uh t [speaker004:] but then how you could go back to the menu and like, I dunno if we would want it on the screen there or on the actual TV. I kind of am wanting to say on the TV, [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] 'cause if you're changing the brightness, don't you wanna see it happening, kind of? [speaker002:] Hmm. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] And then you could still have that available. [speaker002:] Yeah, I think an [vocalsound] LCD screen might be good in theory, but not as useful in practice. [speaker003:] I think it could be difficult in practice, yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Also z yeah, 'cause you would be z looking down at the LCD screen, than back up at your TV [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Right. [speaker003:] and people don't wanna do that. [speaker002:] Um [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Okay um [speaker002:] Oh we probably have to get going, [speaker001:] we have we've about fifteen minutes left, [speaker002:] don't we? [speaker001:] so I'm I'm gonna continue with my pres presentation. Um I've one more slide before we close, but in that slide is when we need to make decisions about this [disfmarker] these kinds of things, [speaker002:] [vocalsound] 'Kay. [speaker001:] so I'll just bring that up and show you all before we move on. [vocalsound] Um [disfmarker] [speaker004:] If I get any more information of fruits and vegetables, I'll let you know. [speaker002:] Could [disfmarker] Could we uh could we have changeable covers like for your mobile? In different fruit and vegetable colours, [speaker003:] Like, to make it different fruits. [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah, it's possible. [speaker001:] Yeah, and then like the the covers could be spongy latex [speaker002:] Exactly. [speaker001:] wherea but the actual model could be titanium. [speaker002:] And you could co-ordinate with your house [vocalsound] or whatever. [speaker003:] I think maybe th the packaging, [speaker002:] All these options. [speaker003:] it should be like a lemon and the the packaging is like the peel. So instead of opening the box you just kind of peel it, [speaker002:] Ooh. [speaker003:] and the remote control's inside. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Well, there we go. [speaker002:] Oh. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Don't know. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Ah hmm hmm hmm. [speaker004:] The iPod packaging is me like was so [disfmarker] that was like half the fun. It's like the way it all comes all cute. [speaker002:] Yeah. Mm. Options. [speaker004:] Lemons? [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Okay, um [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] components concept. Energy, chip on print. [speaker002:] Uh-hu oh, oh yes. Right, [speaker001:] G [speaker002:] I had sort of skipped over that hoping it wouldn't get [disfmarker] be necessary but um [disfmarker] [speaker001:] That's th th this is the agenda they gave me. So [speaker002:] Alright, [speaker001:] can you just explain what that is real quick? [speaker002:] so um decisions, what the [disfmarker] okay deci decisions on energy I'm thinking is based on the battery. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Um I dunno, what do people think about this kinetic battery idea? [speaker001:] [vocalsound] I think it's awesome. I think it's really cool. [speaker002:] Am I [disfmarker] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah, I mean, it would t totally take care of our problem of not wanting to change batteries. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah, um I think it's good, as as long as we consider the the cost and the uh how reliable it is, but as far as I know, the technology is good. [speaker002:] Right, I haven't gotten any [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Costs. [speaker002:] yeah, any more information on cost other than it's more expensive than a regular battery, but um but if we're using a an i a cheaper chip, then it'll even out, I think. [speaker004:] But over time [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Um circuit boards. Um yeah, I got a whole bunch of information on how circuit boards are produced. They're [vocalsound] they're thin fibreglass with copper wires etched on to them, and di I think they're quite easily printed on by machine, which is chip on print is where the machine prints on the wires and solders it all together for us. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] I don't really know what to tell you as far as decisions. I wasn't really given any options, I was just given that this is how they're done. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] Um yeah, I can't can't really tell you. I can I can tell you a whole lot about how it works. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] But I don't know any decisions on [disfmarker] [speaker001:] If they're if they're really options. [speaker002:] Yeah. I'm sorry, I did f [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] Al all circuit boards are pretty much the same, I think. Uh it's fairly fairly standard. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Um okay, then we'll move on to the case. Um oh bu I guess maybe if we decided on like a simple, a regular, or an advanced chip, maybe. [speaker002:] Right. Well okay, here's the here's the thing on the chips that I that I got. Um simple, regular, advanced chip on print. The chip on print includes an infrared sensor, so we don't have to worry about that. Um, [vocalsound] 'kay, the pushbutton [disfmarker] if we're gonna have pushbuttons, they require a simple chip, but a scroll wheel requires a regular chip, and an LCD requires advanced. Do we want a scroll wheel, or do we just want pushbuttons? [speaker003:] Um I don't think we ne really need the scroll whe wheel. I mean it might be nice for changing the volume. [speaker002:] Oh. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] It would be nice for changing the volume, [speaker003:] Uh but [disfmarker] [speaker001:] but I don't know how useful it'd be for changing the channel. [speaker003:] I don't think it would really work. [speaker001:] 'Cause you don't have control over numbers [speaker004:] Yeah, it's a [disfmarker] [speaker001:] or [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah, you really need buttons for changing a channel. [speaker002:] Yeah, th it'd be it'd be handy for going through if there was an on-screen menu of your channel choices, than you can scroll down on the scroll. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] But if you c if you could scroll through the channels, and then the volume would just be [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] We have five minutes left for the meeting, so. [speaker004:] and the volume would just be like the same way, forward and backward as [disfmarker] I'm just thinking like it would make it much like sleeker sort of looking. [speaker002:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker004:] And otherwise, no matter how may buttons we have, we're gonna have like, you know, black with red sticking out [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] and th no [disfmarker] it's gonna inevitably sort of start looking like those group of sort of ugly ones that we saw stacked up. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Hmm. [speaker001:] So, have a scroll for volume? [speaker002:] F or for all those secret functions? [speaker001:] F [speaker002:] When you get on the on-screen menu of all your functions that your remote could do for you without the buttons and you could have a scroll wheel to go through those menus. [speaker003:] I think [disfmarker] yeah, I think a scroll wheel would be nice, but it's not necessary. Um [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Right. So we could either go with a simple or a regular chip, depending [disfmarker] and maybe we could table that decision for later. [speaker001:] Um. [speaker002:] I don't know. [speaker001:] I think w well [disfmarker] I think when we go on to the une userface, we're gonna have to decide [disfmarker] the interface we're gonna have to decide um whether we're gonna have a scroll or not. [speaker002:] Okay. Well, let's think about that while we talk about the case. [speaker001:] Okay, let's do case. [speaker002:] Uh I'm kinda liking the idea of latex, if if spongy is the in thing. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] I'm a little um I'm a little hesitant about it, because I'm worried about protecting the stuff on the inside. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] Um [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Oh could it be hard, and then something around it? [speaker002:] Uh yeah, everything I've [vocalsound] [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah, I would be more okay with like a titanium actual thing and then maybe like a mobile phone kind of thing. [speaker002:] N oh wha what I've what I've seen, just not related to this, but of latex cases before, is that [vocalsound] there's uh like a hard plastic inside, and it's just covered with the latex. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. Okay. [speaker002:] Not too thick a layer of latex, just enough to be grippable, like bike handles or or anything that you've seen like that. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. Okay. [speaker002:] The inside is hard. I don't think we need to worry about protecting the circuit board, [speaker001:] Ge o [speaker002:] I think that that's done for us. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] 'Kay. Yeah. [speaker001:] So we uh we do want latex. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Okay. Latex. Um and probably in colours, maybe fruity, vegetable colours. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Fruity colours. [vocalsound] Okay um let's go to the ufe user interface then we'll come back to the chip I suppose. [speaker002:] Oh and we want a curved case, yeah? Or a double-curved? [speaker001:] Well, we don't really know what the difference is, right? [speaker004:] I'm thinking curved of some sort. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah, okay. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] We don't really know what the difference [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Um okay, interface, the type and the supplements. So [speaker003:] Um [disfmarker] [speaker001:] push or scroll, right? [speaker003:] Yep. [speaker001:] Or both? [speaker003:] Um [disfmarker] And I think if we wanna keep our costs down, we should just go for pushbuttons, 'cause then we can have a a simple chip and it's simpler, it's it's cheaper to make pushbuttons than it is a scroll button. [speaker002:] Good point. [speaker003:] So in terms of uh in terms of uh economics it's probably better to have pushbuttons. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. And if we had a sc an on-screen um kind of thing that you could scroll through, like you can use your buttons to scroll through things. [speaker003:] Yeah, yeah, it's uh [vocalsound] it's it's fairly simple. [speaker001:] I think that [disfmarker] yeah. For channel surfing I think a scroll [disfmarker] an actual [disfmarker] like an iPod's kind of scroll thing would be too fast, [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] I dunno. [speaker002:] I say pushbuttons at least unless we get any information but I have no idea how much more expensive a scroll wheel is than than a pushbutton, but it's gotta be some more expensive, so [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] I think it might be better to put our money into the stuff like the kinetic battery and the cool case [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] because [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Is that okay with you? How you feeling? [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah. And let's like see if we get anything else. I mean I'm not like hard-sold on the scroll wheel, it's more just to give it a different kind of look, [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] but if it's gonna be in a latex type thing and that's gonna look cool, then that's probably gonna have a bigger impact than the scroll wheel. [speaker001:] It might be cool enough. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Okay, so we're gonna go with um type pushbuttons, [speaker003:] Yep. [speaker001:] and then supplements, how are we gonna do that? [speaker003:] Uh what do you mean by supplements, exactly? [speaker001:] Um I assume that's what else we're gonna [disfmarker] like h ha the um the additional buttons we can use. [speaker003:] Um [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Oh. [speaker001:] So we're gonna have like a menu button, [speaker003:] Yep. [speaker001:] so that we can access on-screen things then? [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Okay, um so [speaker002:] Alright. [speaker003:] Um in [disfmarker] [speaker001:] we're doing an on-screen menu that we can scroll through. [speaker002:] So what are what are our buttons gonna be? [speaker003:] Yeah. On off, [speaker002:] On off [disfmarker] [speaker003:] uh volume, favourite channels, uh and menu. [speaker002:] So like one through five, or [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah, yeah [speaker004:] Like a radio type sorta situation? [speaker003:] about [disfmarker] yeah like [disfmarker] yeah, a bit like radio presets. Um [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Pre-set channels and then we're gonna need um numbers one through zero, right? [speaker003:] Uh we wouldn't even need the numbers. [speaker002:] No. [speaker003:] I think maybe numbers seems [disfmarker] is kind of old-fashioned. [speaker001:] Well, but in order to pre-set a cha oh I guess you can just hold it down when you get to one when you're scrolling through. [speaker003:] Yeah, yeah, you can just [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker003:] and you need some kind of, I dunno, sort of up down kind of button, [speaker002:] Yeah, up down. [speaker003:] but the volume control could double for that, for example. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. Okay, um finishing the meeting now. Um our next meeting starts in thirty minutes, [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] um you each have things to do, look and feel design, user interface design, product evaluation, and you two are going to work together on a prototype using modelling clay. You'll get specific instructions from your personal coach. [speaker002:] Ooh. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Cool. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Wow. [speaker001:] Um did we decide on a chip? Let's go with a simple chip? [speaker002:] Simple chip. [speaker003:] Yep. [speaker001:] Okay. We are done. Thank you everyone. Oh I di these are already in our shared folder, so. [speaker002:] Okay, cool. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Clay. I wasn't expecting that. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Clay. [vocalsound]

[speaker004:] Okay. [speaker003:] And don't forget the [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Oh yeah. [speaker001:] Um, so hi everyone. Thanks for coming to this meeting. Um [vocalsound] well as you all know the topic of this morning's meeting is uh the fact that we're moving and we are going to get more space. So that's a very good piece of news. Uh but we also have to find out how we use this space. So um if you want, I'll just give a brief overview of what's happening and then we can uh talk about, well, arranging these new uh [disfmarker] the new office space. So um in case you haven't seen the the documents uh let me just uh show you very briefly the the configuration of the the space. So um [vocalsound] well, there is nothing much to say. Well you know how many of us are are present and you know that we are um a bit tight actually in our present location. Uh that's why actually the university finally um allocated us this uh this part of uh the Unimail building. So it's at the sixth floor. And it's uh sort of contiguous rooms as you you can all see from uh from here. Um so the the the one P, two P, three P means the the number of persons. As you can see we have several corridor um with a number of uh of uh of rooms, of one person rooms, two person room and and three person rooms. Um actually I think Agnes did this nice drawing so she even put the the view, so we have the old town on one side, and the mountains on the other two sides. Uh we have some bathrooms for us. Uh and a courtyard which actually means a sort of uh shaft, because uh the court is uh down at uh the first floor. [speaker004:] Andre, just, yeah, just a a clarification question, are they [disfmarker] number of people per room indicated strict, or can we play around with? I mean if there are two people, is it really that you can't put three or uh two and a half or uh how how was it calculated? [speaker001:] Well, it's a bit difficult to say, because um in fact we have some constraints in terms of furniture. Uh they are here. [speaker004:] 'Kay. [speaker001:] So um well, your your person [disfmarker] Your your question actually is answered maybe by the third item. So each person should get um, well, it's a sort of desk, it's made of two pieces and it looks like a corner. With, of course, a chair. Uh a filing cabinet that goes under the desk uh and, well, we can put hanging shelves over the the desks. So I'm not really sure it's possible to get three um three desks in a two person office. But um we could try. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] What's [disfmarker] What should be said here, I don't know if, well, [vocalsound] you [disfmarker] I I will maybe distribute now documents if you don't have them. Maybe it's easier. Do you need something, Martin? [speaker004:] I have everything. [speaker001:] Um, I can keep this for you. [speaker004:] Okay, so [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Uh so it's it's [disfmarker] [speaker003:] I have a copy. [speaker001:] Yeah, you have a copy, Susan. You too David, I think. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] So in fact there are more places than people, so we won't be that constrained. Uh as you know some of us and some of you here actually, Martin and David are part-time. So it it's for the moment quite comfortable. Normally we should even get an extra uh an extra place for, you know, temporary people coming to work on uh on projects. [speaker004:] Are you sure of that? [speaker001:] Uh yeah, I uh [disfmarker] yeah, I counted so we have um fifteen pers physical persons [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] and about uh sixteen, I think, uh persons [disfmarker] oh, actually, eighteen persons in the offices. [speaker003:] Two [disfmarker] Six seven eight nine ten eleven twelve thirteen fourteen fifteen sixteen seventeen eighteen. [speaker004:] Yeah, but counting the rea the the reading room. [speaker001:] Exactly, it [disfmarker] so one of the issues uh here, it's probably not on the slides, is that we would like to have uh, unlike what had until now, a lounge or reading room uh in one of the the offices. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] So in one of the rooms. [speaker003:] Do we really need that? [speaker001:] Um, I think quite a lot of people e expressed the need for that. So if we could do it, then I think it would be much nicer. Um let me also uh st say something [disfmarker] [speaker004:] And Susan, don't forget the time we spend to [disfmarker] for discussions about that room, [speaker001:] Yep. [speaker004:] so you should be able to valorize this if possible. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker001:] Yeah, I I think so. [speaker004:] But I still agree with you that the b the [disfmarker] we are not so we are not so large, as far as space is concerned. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Uh because fifteen people to put in there eighteen positions, [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] so uh to the best uh if you take uh two people room for the reading room, then you have uh sixteen places. Mm. [speaker001:] Well, sixteen slots for fifteen people. So it's still [disfmarker] should be feasible. [speaker004:] Yeah, that that also means that the growth will be zero. [speaker001:] That's [disfmarker] Yeah, I think that's quite important to manage some space. Maybe we can think of, yeah, some two or three, yeah, for visiting people. [speaker004:] Visiting visiti visiting researchers, students coming for [disfmarker] exchange students et cetera. [speaker001:] Correct. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. Okay, so let me finish with the the constraints which are almost done. So we also need to to find the [disfmarker] a spot for the photocopier, the fax machine, and the printer. The fax, you know, is very small, but um the photocopier is quite huge, and the printer is uh well ab this size. Um okay, the offices comes with white boards. Not very uh very important. Uh the furniture that w each each person has and uh you have a list of people. So the thing uh you you ought to know is that we're not the only ones that w we're thin that that are thinking about uh for [disfmarker] well, about putting people i in these rooms. Um there is another group that is also having discussions. So the idea is that today we'll just try to f start seeing the main constraints and then you have time to to go and think about it uh ask the people you know, your assistants, for instance, and at the next meeting we'll try to to come with one solution. Uh, the other group will also propose a solution and then there will be another negotiation. [speaker003:] And if we don't get this space then what happens? [speaker001:] Uh if i if we don't get these? [speaker003:] These, yeah. [speaker001:] Um, well basically they are promised to us so uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] We j we stay where we are. [speaker001:] Do do you think there are chances that they take from us one of the rooms or uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker001:] Yeah, I I I think it's uh [disfmarker] Uh, [vocalsound] yeah. [speaker004:] No the the the chances might be that there are more people to put in that space. [speaker001:] Yeah i yeah, that's one of the the problems. I think maybe we should take this into account and maybe think of some of the bigger rooms with four people, one being temporary or or part-time. Um okay, so maybe we could try to to see now what would be the main options. Say the general uh, well, arrangement options. Do you think that we should put people, say, according to projects for instance? In in the table that um that we have, uh we also have the uh uh the p the main projects on which the people are working. So how [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Andre, sorry for interrupting, [speaker001:] Yeah. Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] but uh one again clarification question, what is the real margin of manoeuvre that we have for these discussions, because uh at least we are half per cent [disfmarker] uh fifty per cent of from EPFL and uh sometimes you have meetings where w y the the decision is already taken, so uh um you can spend quite a lot of time discussing things, so what what will be the impact of what we will come out [disfmarker] come up with? [speaker001:] Oh, actually what is fixed is the n the number of rooms. This we cannot really change. I mean [vocalsound] at least not us, it would be much more difficult to get another another room for instance. But what is absolutely n not fixed is the arrangement of the people in the rooms. So basically we are [disfmarker] all the permutations are possible at the moment. [speaker004:] So, another way of a Another way of asking the question, is there any other group already working on uh on the how this should be uh should be allocated? Or are we the the one that is supposed to do the p the the p position for it? [speaker001:] Um [disfmarker] Well, what we are looking for is a solution that suits everyone and that makes the maximum of people happy. So uh the other group is, uh I don't think we have to see them as competitors, but they are just trying to to find another local optimum. Or l uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] But wha why why don't they have any representative here. I mean [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah, why didn't we have a meeting together? [speaker004:] Yeah, [speaker002:] Uh, they have another group [speaker004:] why do we do it separately? [speaker001:] Uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] and then uh uh uh Andre and Agnes will discuss about it with [gap]. You are the rep representative of this group actually. [speaker001:] Yeah. Yeah uh uh we [disfmarker] Yeah. I I think that's [disfmarker] Yeah, there is no real competition between the two, but we'll just try to find at least two solutions and see how how close they are, actually. It's it's [disfmarker] I think [disfmarker] well the m the people who who decided this thought it was the best solution to, mm well, you know, find two two kinds of opinions. Yeah. Well, we could have been eight h sitting around here and and talking, [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker001:] but I think it's it's more difficult. [speaker004:] No, but you know that that's a standard thing. It's [disfmarker] Suppose that somebody for some strange reasons want to be in the corner and we don't know about that, [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] we'll put them [disfmarker] put her or him somewhere else, then we will do plenty of work for nothing, [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] because we'll not have this constraint. We'll not be aware of this constraint. [speaker001:] Well [disfmarker] Exactly, I think [disfmarker] So so today the goal is not to to find the solution today, but to set some constraints [speaker004:] Oh, okay. Okay. [speaker001:] and then go and see the people and find out if they have any preferences. [speaker003:] [gap] [speaker001:] Obviously we won't be able to accommodate all the the preferences, but at least we'll find the most uh the most important ones. [speaker003:] Well, certainly we have to ask uh Pierrette and uh and Maggie, [speaker001:] P s I think [disfmarker] [speaker003:] since they're not here, because they also have a lot of students that they have to see as we do, [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] and so that's another consideration, too. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah, I think so that's one of the things I think we know that they have students, we don't know exactly if they prefer for instance to be alone, or to [disfmarker] well, to be with their assistant, or even with another person working on the project. So that would have been maybe, yeah, another solution is to ask everyone to provide uh an arrangement, but uh I think that's a bit uh a bit hard then to to work out. Um so since all of you have a copy of the uh, well, of the drawing, I think for the next time, m maybe you could come with a concrete proposal with uh names on it. But let us try to see today whether we prefer to organise people, say, by projects or just professor and assistant. So what would be f, say, first your preferences, since [disfmarker] Let's let's start with us, maybe today. Um what do you think about it? Would you prefer to be alone, would you prefer to be with your assistant. You who are part-time, do you think you can come here on a very w well regular schedule or is it part-time, but variable during the week? [speaker002:] Hmm. Yeah uh, okay uh, me personally I would like to to to share the other peopl n uh the room with assistants as when you have problems of normal life, like uh the printer doesn't work, uh I don't want to ask this to my supervisor, so it's better to to be with a with an assistant to share the room. [speaker001:] Uh-huh. And since you're coming on the uh half-time, do you think you will be able to group your presence here, say Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday morning, or is it going to be m much more random? [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. What uh [disfmarker] I don't think it's a good idea to share uh t to ha to share the same desk. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker002:] Uh I still would like to have my drawers and these things. [speaker001:] Yeah, I think so too. Um so Martin, you are also uh half-time and, well, the third person is Gisella. I think it's quite clear that mm each person should have their own desk and [disfmarker] [speaker004:] I agree with that. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] That's [disfmarker] [speaker001:] It's no no way we we could put two persons at the same desk. [speaker004:] Whe whe where part-time is important is that it's n an overlo load on a room, so um for sure if you have a part-time person, it reduces the the ranges of time where too many people in the room. [speaker001:] Yeah, I think grouping [disfmarker] [speaker004:] As far as I am concerned I probably might be able to have a kind of a regular presence here. Um, the uh the thing that f in my case has to be taken into account is that I will have a lot of phone calls. So I'll be talking o o o over the phone all the time. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] Oh great. [speaker004:] So that's not necessary [disfmarker] Well, it depends on [disfmarker] I I have nothing against sharing a a an office with somebody. I d already did it before, so [disfmarker] and it was perfectly fine. It just has to be somebody who can work while somebody else is having phone calls in the in the room, which is very d much dependent on people. Some people are not disturb at all by this. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] Some people just can't work. [speaker001:] Are you disturbed by the phone calls of other people? [speaker004:] I'm not. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] But uh [disfmarker] and uh what might happen, but it uh it will not be so heavy here uh at ISSCO is visitors. So that I will have more at EPFL, uh typically students coming in um or asking for things. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] As I'm not teaching here, I'm teaching at EPFL, this should shouldn't be a [disfmarker] such a big load. So for me it it will be essentially [disfmarker] I will not be I will not be able to be silent in the room, [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] because I will be communicating also through vocal means, so [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] Ye mm before um talking more about individual preferences, is there any possibility, what they have done in the uh faculty of law, for example, that they actually split rooms? And so we would take uh uh one of the two people rooms and split it. [speaker004:] Hmm. [speaker003:] And you would see that you would have the same size office, [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] but that would give the privacy. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] Um insofar as in just about every other faculty in the building, every professor has their own office. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] And it's it's really [disfmarker] it goes a bit far that uh we have to have this uh all this sharing uh. [speaker004:] Hmm. [speaker003:] So one option [disfmarker] and that [disfmarker] but that we would need to ask about if we could uh split one of the rooms uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Do you go for boxes for instance? In the in the bigger rooms where, yeah [disfmarker] You know like uh cubicles? Yeah [speaker001:] Like cubicles. [speaker003:] That doesn't really solve it uh [disfmarker] I mean there's there's really a difference to having [disfmarker] to have your own [disfmarker] [speaker004:] You mean, you really want to have walls. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] Yeah, [gap] and sometimes you have uh [disfmarker] you need to have private uh discussions with somebody or whatever, so [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Four walls. Yeah. Yeah, sure sure. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yeah, I I I will try to find out whether we can separate. [speaker004:] [gap] [speaker001:] I think for the moment the answer at least is no, because um it's not only, well, making a wall, but also b mm making a new door. So it's quite a lot of uh of work, but uh I will try to find this out for the next time. Um, so at least for the moment, as you can see there are uh [disfmarker] I can show them here on the screen. So there are these two rooms on the left that uh accommodate one person. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] So at least some of the professors, since you are four, uh could could go [disfmarker] uh well, could take these uh these rooms. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] And quite a lot of rooms with two persons. Uh how do you feel Susan about the professor sharing the room with her assistants or the one which is the most involved in in the teaching? [speaker003:] Well, I I think it's uh really a matter of personal preference. As you know um, I prefer to have uh my own office. [speaker001:] Hmm. [speaker004:] Hmm. [speaker003:] Um, I also have uh a lot of phone calls and y you know, have to see people, and with the other work that I'm doing with the rectorate uh, that is really confidential information that I'm treating. So I [disfmarker] That I have to be really careful about too. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker003:] But it's a personal preference uh. Insofar as what we've had up until now, both Maggie and Pierrette have been happy to share with others. So I mean I think that we should still check with them [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] I fully agree with that. That's uh [disfmarker] it's much easier to me to uh to foresee having two people of the same position sharing a room, than uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Well, not sharing with each other. They each share with an assistant. [speaker004:] Oh sharing with their students. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker004:] Oh sorry, [gap] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] because [disfmarker] but that that's uh it's it's tricky because of confidentiality reasons, as you said. Yeah, you you you are discussing a budget on the on the project, you over the phone typically you don't necessary want to have somebody who will be dependent on that budget being part of the discussion, so [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Paid on that [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Yeah, that's um that's true. Um, okay. Um, maybe we could s look a bit at the projects. Do you think it's a good idea to put together in the same room as much as possible people from the same project, [speaker004:] No. [speaker001:] since they talk quite a lot of to each other? [speaker004:] No, because pro project doesn't last in time. They will change. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. Okay. [speaker004:] That's what [disfmarker] The only thing that will not [disfmarker] or that will change only progressively in time is the status of the people. Mm. [speaker001:] Well, yeah, and some of the PHD students will hopefully finish their PHD at some point. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah, they will promote that. [vocalsound] But still, th some things [disfmarker] Well, yeah. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] Yeah, and also some of our [disfmarker] the people mentioned here are working on more than one project too. So [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] For example, uh Marianne de uh [gap], she's also working with me on the virtual campus project, [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] so she [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Uh-huh. [speaker003:] that one wasn't mentioned, but I'm not saying that I necessarily want to be with her in the office, [speaker001:] Okay, yeah. [speaker003:] but uh it's just to say people are working on uh sometimes more than one project uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] If if it if i if projects are what you have in mind, I think that uh meeting room is the the tool for that. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] If you need to have people in a projects talking together, they just have a meeting room [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] if it's not too far away then then it's a very good good practice. [speaker003:] Yep. [speaker001:] Yeah. Well, actually, so the lounge could serve as some kind of meeting room, but there are also more formal meeting rooms available in in the building, as we now know. [speaker004:] Yes. That's why I was quite receptive to uh Susan's remark at the beginning is [vocalsound] I wouldn't formulate it in a such a an extreme way as, do we really need the lounge? But uh I would p probably formulate it in the way that uh, do we want to have only a lounge or s something that can be used only as a reading room? [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] Because because meeting rooms to me are very important tools to do uh collaborative work. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] But on the other hand we also have to relax, so that's [disfmarker] [speaker001:] So I think we need a [disfmarker] Yeah, and and I think also we need a separate discussion on the furnishing of the lounge, [speaker004:] Yes. [speaker003:] Well, yeah, [speaker001:] which is a whole other topic. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] we'll skip that for now. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yes. [speaker003:] No I d um the lounge okay, but I think we need to also see it as a overflow place when we have um uh visitors for any length of time, so they actually have a place to work. [speaker004:] Yeah. Yeah. 'Cause that's really my [disfmarker] one of my worries with the plan that we have here is that it's [disfmarker] it pr provides no possible [disfmarker] possibilities of expansion. [speaker001:] Uh-huh. [speaker004:] And this will happen. [speaker001:] Um [disfmarker] [speaker004:] I mean you can't you can't prevent having visitors. [vocalsound] And you shouldn't. [speaker003:] No, [speaker001:] Yeah, yeah, [speaker003:] you want to have visitors. Yeah. [speaker001:] for the moment actually I think only one slot would be fully free. Uh that is [disfmarker] Yeah. [speaker004:] Which for for fifteen people it's not enough. [speaker001:] Yeah, [speaker004:] I mean uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] that means one visitor at a time. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Or one intern. [speaker004:] Yeah it's [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah, that's [disfmarker] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] We have we have four professors here and and and two researchers. [speaker002:] It's [disfmarker] It's funny that uh we move to another building because we run out of uh space and we will have the same problem. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker003:] Yes, but we have more space here than what we currently have, [speaker002:] Ah okay. [speaker001:] Yeah, [speaker003:] so it's at least some [disfmarker] [speaker001:] it's already in progress. [speaker004:] It's bad it's bad. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] And you're you're working [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Uh I think, yeah, w Okay, so one of the things I have to do for the next time is fin find out about the separations between rooms and [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Because this is really related with security uh regulation as well. I mean you can't just put walls in in rooms without any specific authoris Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah, I think it's quite a heavy transformation of the building. [speaker004:] Uh it's not necessary heavy in terms of work. It's heavy in terms of administrative authorisation. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. And okay, [speaker004:] At least at EPFL. [speaker001:] I'll try to find out. And the other question is, can we squeeze maybe four people in the [disfmarker] uh or at least four places in the three three P room? [speaker004:] I think so. If you organise the desks in a in a intelligent way. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Yeah, hopefully visitors don't need as much say filing space, or um [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yep. Yeah, right, that's the point. [speaker001:] Yeah, they don't have that many papers. Uh okay. So that's uh I have to to ask, so you don't really feel um very strongly attached to this uh grouping by projects idea? [speaker004:] No. [speaker003:] No. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. Um [disfmarker] [speaker003:] No, because they can share their ideas across the project, yeah, I would say. [speaker004:] Coffee machines are that [disfmarker] made for that. [speaker001:] Yeah, exactly. [speaker002:] But uh usually, whe when new assistants come, they would like to share the room with someone that knows uh l uh it's related with the project, [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] so he can [disfmarker] [speaker004:] No, [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] that's that's [disfmarker] proximity doesn't play a big role there. We can discuss with people that [speaker001:] Yeah, they they can change. [speaker004:] the the space is very small, I mean, altogether it's [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] And uh you don't y you don't need to discuss about the projects, [speaker002:] No, okay. [speaker004:] you f more need about th to discuss about where is the printer, how do I get furniture, I'm [disfmarker] I don't have a a pencil, where is the the box with the pencils, and so on. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] This is not project related. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] No, and if you look now at their uh the the current division of the offices, for example, uh Bruno and Agnes are sharing an office and they're working on totally different projects and and they're they're just fine with that. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah, I think that's that's going to be one of the the main things we'll have to ask is whether people have strong preferences either in staying with someone or in uh not staying. Um, are you aware f of any strong constraints right now? [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Well, there there were, but they sort of disappeared as of October when the no smoking rule came in, [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] because before we were grouping the smokers [speaker001:] Oh. [speaker004:] Yeah, that's true. [speaker003:] and now that there's no smoking, uh I guess that's not very important option, though [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Okay, yeah, that's true. So smoking is now um no longer a constraint. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Well, except for that maybe you don't even want anybody smoking on your balcony, so [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Is it allowed to smoke inside an office, if it's a one person [disfmarker] [speaker003:] No. [speaker002:] No, not any more. [speaker004:] No. [speaker003:] No, n it's in in principle it's a it's a no smoking building. [speaker004:] It's non-smoking campus. [speaker003:] You can smoke outside. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] So you can go outside onto the balcony to smoke. [speaker004:] Not even in the cafeteria? [speaker003:] Not even in the cafeteria. [speaker004:] Downstairs? [speaker003:] No. Full no smoking building for all of the six thousand students. [speaker001:] Yeah. That's the new regulation. [speaker004:] Okay. Wow. [vocalsound] On the roof maybe. [speaker001:] Uh on the balcony, actually. [speaker003:] Yeah. Yep. [speaker004:] The balcony, okay. [speaker001:] Yeah. Normally. [speaker003:] There is the [disfmarker] there's that terrace. [speaker004:] But Andre, uh just a [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Wow, there there's no place in inside the building? [speaker003:] No. [speaker002:] Wow, ETPFL is a c [vocalsound] it's a non-smoking campus, but there are some places tha [speaker004:] Still some places where smokers can survive. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah yeah yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] But Andre, just a comment abou about your your previous uh request. [speaker001:] Yeah. Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] I I don't think that anyone will provide you information such as who doesn't want to be with whom. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] That's a typical uh [vocalsound] output of ex uh research in expert systems. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] These are the rules that you never get. But uh you can get them through a proposal. [speaker003:] The other way. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] So you propose a set-up, where people are with other peoples [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] and they will find politically correct ways to tell you that uh they don't want to have a view on the mountains, but they prefer to have view on the old town, [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] so they would be in [disfmarker] [gap] the toilets. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] O on the toilets or [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] They would um p prefer to be in another room. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] No, we we do have one constraint that's difficult, which is uh Gisella, because when she's there she's very noisy. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] She's on the phone a lot [disfmarker] [speaker004:] But that's a sec s that's the admin that's the admin uh so it's part of the work. Yeah. [speaker003:] It's just it's by [disfmarker] Yeah. It's by nat uh by the nature of her work that uh a lot of it is communication. Yeah. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. Yes, Martin said also for him and, yeah, especially for her. [speaker003:] Yep. [speaker001:] Yeah the in she's the interface. So [disfmarker] [speaker004:] And that that's a problem, you're right, because because we don't have a one person we d we don't have enough one person rooms for uh accommodating the uh the admin place. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. Yep. [speaker004:] And uh if you put two person persons or three persons for the admin space, who who who else would you put in there? [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] Because we don't have any assistant manager or we don't have [disfmarker] We have only one half part [disfmarker] half-time uh admin and no other non-researcher positions, if I'm not mistaken. And this is really a piece of a problem. [speaker001:] Yep. Yeah. [speaker004:] Maybe you could put some visitors, but um [disfmarker] I know. It's not very uh realistic in a in a in an admin room, but uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah, I think [disfmarker] Yeah. Mm-hmm. I think putting Gisella with the other admin of the school is not an option, [speaker003:] [vocalsound] I think that's a excellent idea. [speaker001:] because we weren't offered [disfmarker] Yeah, it would be nice, [speaker003:] Why don't we ask about that? [speaker001:] but uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah, because [disfmarker] You can't put a researcher there. [speaker001:] Okay, I'll try to find out, but uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] That's just [disfmarker] Either you lose one position or you find another admin or assistant manager. [speaker001:] I th Yeah. [speaker003:] I mean there is certainly enough space uh down the hall, wi if all of those uh uh offices that are, where half of them are also half time, and they're very under-used. So um [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Okay, we'll try, but all these, yeah, are say sort of difficult questions because they involve changing also the offices of the school [speaker004:] Yep. [speaker001:] and, you know, people just don't wanna change in general. Um, let's see, maybe we can find some temporary [disfmarker] well, at least a proposal for Gisella. So, since the one-person rooms are quite, well, sort of um desired by a lot of people, she should probably [disfmarker] [speaker004:] No that's not sure [disfmarker] that's not sure. [speaker001:] No, y Yeah. Okay. [speaker004:] Uh the there are [disfmarker] To me there are two options possible is either you [disfmarker] we can take one of the one person rooms for the admin, because some of, typically, the professors have good reasons for sharing. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] Sharing either with a colleague or sharing uh with some of their uh one of their PHD students. In that case it's it's realistic. Then we could very very simply uh allocate the one pers one of the one person rooms for the admin. And that would solve the problem. The other thing is to take a two person room for the admin. That could be the one uh close to the uh close to the [disfmarker] here in the centre so uh the [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. Uh, the the middle one here? [speaker004:] Yeah. But tha No no no, [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] the other one, the the one op Yeah, here, this one. [speaker001:] This one. Okay. [speaker004:] But then uh that [vocalsound] the the question of what do we do with the second position there remains fully open. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] So I would be I would be more of the opinion to to see whether it's it's so evident that, let's say the at least the two full full-time professors that are here on the list, we have one here, but uh Maggie is is not present. If they really [disfmarker] Yeah, and Pierrette. If if if [vocalsound] because of personal preferences they would be happy with a two person room, which might or might not be the case. [speaker001:] Well [disfmarker] Yeah. Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] And Pierrette too. [speaker001:] Yeah. Yeah, well [disfmarker] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] I mean it's it's certainly not uh something that we should impose, [speaker001:] Yeah. Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] but we can ask. [speaker001:] Yeah, because in this case, yeah, Gisella could take one of the the two person rooms and the other place would be for some kind of visitor, [speaker004:] Yeah, but that's not realistic either. [speaker001:] that [disfmarker] [speaker004:] I mean, you have you have a fore foreign researcher coming visiting you and you will put put him in the admin office? [speaker001:] I or [disfmarker] Ah. Okay. Uh. [speaker004:] Uh you'll not do that. I mean uh, maybe you can do that with an exchange student, that's [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah, [speaker001:] Yeah, or an intern. [speaker003:] with with younger people, yeah. [speaker004:] But you can't take a senior visitor and uh [gap] [vocalsound] him in the in the secretary. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] No. So [disfmarker] [vocalsound] we we invite invite [gap] and then we say, okay you can sit with Gisella. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Uh you're here. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah. Okay. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Okay so this sets a bit the stage for uh for Gisella then. Uh yeah we'll try to to find out. Um, actually, yeah, maybe we should remind that quite a lot of professors at the at the school actually share their office with their assistant. So b it looks like sort of an implicit tradition. [speaker003:] Um [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Maybe not to be followed. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] As Susan said, p [speaker003:] Except for in every other faculty. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Okay. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah? Is that so? [speaker003:] Yes, it is so. [speaker004:] Oh. [speaker003:] Every other faculty as far as I have seen their offices and the people that I know and that's in um in law, uh socio-economics, uh okay? [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] Yeah. Okay. [speaker003:] It's a [disfmarker] They all have their own office. I mean in in the in the law faculty they're at best there half time. [speaker004:] No no, that's it. As we said, it's it's really a matter of personal preference, [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] it cannot be something else. It cannot be imposed for sure. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] It's uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Um, okay so I think [disfmarker] Well, this sets a bit uh the stage. Uh could we try [disfmarker] So could you try please to uh [disfmarker] Do you want an extra uh piece of paper? Maybe try to, well, think on your own and then talk a little bit just to the people around you. [speaker004:] [gap] job. Again uh uh um, Andre, I think that the only realistic way we can do is to speak for our for ourselves. I can tell you according to what I know now where I would like or would be ready to be, [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] but I really don't see how I could decide for uh Maggie or Pierrette or whoever else on the list, that they should be there. [speaker001:] Yeah. No the point was to try to, well, just talk to them, to David, or [disfmarker] [speaker003:] We're gonna have to. [speaker004:] Yeah, b why why couldn't we do like [disfmarker] couldn't we do it like for for the the set-up of meetings. You you [disfmarker] [vocalsound] everyone received that and uh should provide [disfmarker] Yeah, I would like to be here. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] And then you will have this multi-constraint problem [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] and uh you work during two hours and you come up with the optimal solution. [speaker001:] Yeah. So w w w will you ask people just for their place or also for the other people's place? [speaker004:] Yeah, I would I would ask for their place. I mean that's that's that's the important thing you want to know. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Because [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Uh-huh. Well, but that's [disfmarker] [speaker002:] W what abou what about the the the cafeteria? I mean, we are going to purchase a cafeteria with a projector and all this altogether or [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Uh it's a reading room. [speaker002:] Reading room, yeah. It's altogether. [speaker004:] Reading room, it's not a cafeteria. [speaker002:] So in the living room [disfmarker] [speaker004:] But that that's an open question whether it's a it's a it's a it [disfmarker] At the origin it was supposed to be a f pure reading room for relaxing, uh reading the newspapers, et cetera, et cetera. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] Uh there has been a very long discussion about that. I stinct uh this discussion is still vivid, that some of the people, I bel belong to these people, would like to have a mixed room where you can have a reading room for sure, but also meeting room if necessary. Or, as uh Susan said, a room [disfmarker] an emergency room where you can put uh some visitors in a decent environment for for for for work, [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] because you don't have any other place to do it. But that's that's really an open discussion and that d I think no decision, no final decision has been taken about that. [speaker001:] Yeah. [vocalsound] Okay, th then [disfmarker] Okay then for the next time, um try to come up either with your own preferences, that's quite easy probably to state now that you know the constraints, [speaker004:] Yes. Yes. [speaker001:] or if you can poll a little bit the people around you, that would be [disfmarker] I mean, even [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] The one that I don't want to have in the next room? [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Well, just discuss i Yeah, [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] for instance, I mean [disfmarker] No, no, I was thinking just ask people around you [vocalsound] what they think about this. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker001:] And I think, yeah, it will be nice to to come with maybe a sketch of of these. If you can do slides, it's even better, but uh don't be that formal. And uh we'll try to at least build up one coherent proposal, and we'll merge it with the other one when the other one uh is available. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker003:] Okay, I'll ask um uh Maggie and Pierrette uh if they have uh any preferences. [speaker001:] Um. [speaker004:] That would be great. [speaker001:] Oh, great. [speaker004:] That would be great. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. Perfect. [speaker004:] C that that of course is one of the main [disfmarker] well not main but one of the important features that we need to know about. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] No. Yeah, since they're not at the meeting I think it's in [disfmarker] out of courtesy we should first ask them. [speaker004:] Yes. [speaker001:] And I'll try to [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yes. [speaker002:] Bu I ju just before finishing uh, I mean, we have a cafeteria or we don't eat at all? [speaker001:] Fine. [speaker004:] We don't have cafeteria. [speaker001:] What do you mean by cafeteria exactly? [speaker003:] He means reading room. [speaker002:] A place n what mm uh we can take a coffee also. [speaker001:] What [disfmarker] [speaker004:] No, there is no coffee in the reading room. [speaker002:] No? [speaker001:] Yeah, w we can bring your coffee in the reading room, [speaker004:] That was the wrong [disfmarker] We [vocalsound] we did not have any money for buying the coffee machines, so [disfmarker] [speaker001:] but [disfmarker] So so since maybe, you're a part-time here, and part-ti part-time at EPFL, there are at least two um coffee machines in the building, [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] one at the third floor, one at the first floor. [speaker002:] But they close at five or [gap]? [speaker001:] And we can bring our coffee. No uh automatic uh coffee machines. [speaker002:] Ah okay. [speaker003:] No. Coffee machines. [speaker002:] Okay, okay. [speaker001:] So uh yeah. But, in [disfmarker] [speaker003:] No, there's the cafeteria is downstairs, [speaker002:] Yeah, yeah, this. [speaker003:] but they close at five. [speaker001:] Uh-huh. [speaker004:] Five. [speaker002:] Ah that's the main problem. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah, [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] but there's the two machines, and they're uh the vending machines where you just put the money [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah, vending machines. [speaker003:] and and you can get [disfmarker] [speaker004:] And you can bring your coffee in the reading room. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. Okay. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker003:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yeah, maybe this is not a very bad timing. Could we try to meet uh next Tuesday? [vocalsound] [speaker004:] T to try the coffee? [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Wait. [speaker001:] Um, next Tuesday maybe at t maybe a bit later? Maybe at eleven o'clock? [speaker004:] Wait, wai wai wai wait. [speaker003:] Wait, wait. [speaker004:] Next Tuesday. [speaker003:] Tuesday um [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Come on, try try to be nice. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Uh, well well well well, not so easy, eh? [speaker001:] Gi give me a reasonable date. [speaker002:] Yes, I ha I have no constraints, so it's fine. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Ch [vocalsound] Um we have the [disfmarker] don't forget we have the other meeting the MDM meeting in the morning, [speaker001:] Yeah, for me it's a good timing. [speaker003:] so it would have to be in the afternoon. [speaker001:] Uh-huh, okay. [speaker004:] Next Tuesday we have a meeting, yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. Exactly. [speaker004:] That might be [disfmarker] Where is the meeting? It's Unimail? [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Okay, so, yeah yeah, then it could be that [disfmarker] [speaker003:] At nine thirty, but we could do [disfmarker] we could have this meeting then in the afternoon. [speaker004:] That [disfmarker] yeah. That that would be great, [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] Nah? [speaker004:] because that would allow us not to move, or not to travel twice. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. Very well. [speaker003:] Yep. Okay. Yeah. Okay. [speaker001:] So about two o'clock? Would that be okay? After lunch. [speaker004:] Yeah, after lunch. Right. Yep. Okay. [speaker001:] It's not a very demanding meeting, so um [disfmarker] Perfect. Um, then let me close this. [vocalsound] And uh good luck for your arrangement games. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Thank you. [speaker003:] [vocalsound]

[speaker001:] Okay. Uh first of all I'll start with the costs, [speaker004:] [gap]. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] because that's going to influence our design. [speaker002:] Oh no. [speaker004:] Oh, [gap]. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] If you [disfmarker] Don't know if you al already had a look or not? [speaker003:] Did you do your questionnaire already? [speaker002:] No n I I already did it. [speaker004:] No. [speaker002:] It's not much. It's just one question. [speaker001:] Because we have a problem. [speaker003:] Uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Oh. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] If you look closely, you can see. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] It wants [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Um I already took the liberty to make some suggestions. [gap]. [gap]. [vocalsound] At the moment we have fifteen buttons, one LCD screen, one advanced chip-on-print. We use a uh sensor, that's for the speech. Uh we use kinetic energy. And we wanted uh the buttons in a special colour. Okay. What's the first thing we should drop? The special colour of the buttons? [speaker002:] No that's that's for the trendy uh feel and look. So [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] Yeah but everything is. [speaker001:] Uh [disfmarker] Should we switch to a hand dynamo? [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Uh that's the still the same idea as the kinetic energy because you have to use it and do things. [speaker004:] No. [speaker002:] Yeah, b but [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah but young people like that. So just do normal battery. [speaker001:] Batteries? Batteries. [speaker002:] I think the battery option. [speaker003:] Just a normal battery then, yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] [gap]. [speaker004:] It has to be twelve and a half. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Or not? [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Oh. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Oh my goodness. [speaker001:] So [disfmarker] You're going to redesign something. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Oh no. [speaker001:] Okay, so we're at twenty five. [speaker004:] Uh, yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Um [disfmarker] Do we keep the shape doubly curved or g do we go for single curved? [speaker003:] Well I guess i we'll have to go for single curve then. I mean we have to drop on everything. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] But we can keep it single curved with uh top view still curved, but from the side it's it's flat, [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] and the screen screen is just [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Well you just have to hold it like this then. So [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker003:] How about [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Um [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Sorry. [speaker001:] Uh another option I saw was to drop the buttons one through nine, so you can't directly access a channel, but instead use only the up and down arrows. [speaker003:] That's what I was thinking. [speaker001:] That would skip nine buttons and four and a half Euros. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Alright. [speaker001:] Yeah? [speaker004:] Let's do it then. Yeah. [speaker003:] A a [speaker001:] Uh then we have left [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [gap] we [disfmarker] [speaker002:] But we don't have any basic options any more. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Uh yeah. We do. [speaker003:] And uh 'cause then they don't have to n They don't need special colour as well. [speaker004:] F eight. [speaker001:] They don't need special colours. Fine. That's more like it. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] You were saying something. [speaker003:] That was exactly my point. Like let's drop all the buttons, and just make one [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] [disfmarker] I mean we're gonna use the LCD screen anyway. So we'll just have to use it for everything. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. Yeah. [speaker003:] And then you can make an overview of channels in the screen, and select a channel, click [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah, some more menu options. Yeah. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Okay so maybe we can drop few more buttons. But um [disfmarker] Now let's look. [speaker002:] Yeah we c could [disfmarker] We only need the the the the the menu arrow arrow button uh thing. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Everything you can do with with the menu. So [disfmarker] With the display. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] Yeah we need one integrated button for everything then. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] The joystick. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah. Kind of. I was [disfmarker] Because [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah, scroll-wheel, push-button uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Integrated scroll-wheel push-button, yeah. [speaker003:] If you if you go to [disfmarker] If you go to our uh view, like you [disfmarker] if you are in the sound system there, uh and you wanna adjust the treble for instance, [speaker001:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker003:] this is just uh an example, [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] y y you wanna see a bar on which you can adjust it from zero to ten for example. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] But you want a sound preview of how it's gonna sound, right? So you wanna click on it, activate it, whe and when you move it, hear the difference of the treble coming out or going into the sound. [speaker001:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker003:] So you'll you'll need a a kind of a joystick uh button. [speaker004:] Yeah or or the integrated scroll-wheel push-button. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] So that's kind of on your mouse and then you can click it, adjust it, click again and then you're out of it. But you still [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Exactly. [speaker004:] But you then still need to have [disfmarker] Well you can use the scroll-wheel as well for um maybe for the channels. But you still um [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah it's r Yeah. [speaker004:] You still have to have some some button in the menu to go back. [speaker002:] So you do one inte You can do one integrated scroll-wheel push-button. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] And then just drop all the other buttons. [speaker001:] Uh yeah. [speaker004:] Well not all. Not s not sound I guess. [speaker002:] But but th the cost of one integrated button is far more than a few extra push-buttons. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] No. [speaker001:] Yeah. It's uh [disfmarker] One integrated button is five times the cost of a normal button. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker002:] So we have to to make it s uh more uh [disfmarker] It has to be [disfmarker] [speaker001:] So [disfmarker] You could also drop j three more of these, without losing much functionality. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] You just drop the Okay and the Back. [speaker004:] Wh wh what what what is the what is the uh sample sensor sample speaker? [speaker001:] Oh, that's for the speech. [speaker004:] Speech recognition. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Could drop the speech recognition. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Right. [speaker001:] S s Drop speech recognition? [speaker003:] [vocalsound] No but [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah that's possible. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] We we d [speaker003:] Yeah it's it's expensive, but uh we never considered the possibilities of uh speech recognition. 'Cause it can take the function of a lot of uh uh buttons. [speaker001:] Buttons. [speaker004:] Buttons. [speaker001:] That's not very easy to use. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] I [speaker004:] No, it can be disturbed by by noise and [speaker003:] No. Yeah but lets just say that the speech recognition works. [speaker004:] stuff like that. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Let let let me see what's more what's more popular. I guess the the screen was more popular than um than the speech recognition. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] I have to look on that. Let me see. [vocalsound] Uh well no I was wrong. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] There are more people who like speech recognition than an LCD screen. [speaker001:] Yep. Okay. Because if you d lose the LCD screen, we [vocalsound] need a lot of [disfmarker] [speaker004:] But if it [disfmarker] [vocalsound] But it it [disfmarker] it's a it's a both a hypers [speaker002:] We lose our whole concept. Uh so [disfmarker] No we just [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah. We need a lot of extra buttons. [speaker004:] No, but [disfmarker] [speaker002:] We keep the LCD. [speaker004:] Well we Yeah we keep the screen. I mean it's it's about the same. Eight one to ninety one percent, uh sixty six to seventy six. [speaker003:] We uh we we haven't really integrated this [disfmarker] the speech into the system, [speaker001:] Okay so we drop the speech. [speaker003:] so we can might as well s drop that. [gap] [speaker001:] And drop it yeah? [speaker004:] Yeah. Let's drop the speech. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Okay. S Fo Four less Euros. [speaker004:] Sixteen Euros. [speaker001:] So we still have three and a half Euro to lose. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] We need to lose some buttons. [speaker004:] But y y [speaker001:] Yeah if you lose the the Back, the Okay button [disfmarker] Uh v let's say we only have the four arrows, and the Menu button. [speaker004:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker001:] Then you're [disfmarker] [speaker004:] And then and then use um [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Oh and the power button we have also. [speaker004:] The the [disfmarker] Okay. And the menu button does also does the okay function then. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] And then when you in the menu [disfmarker] [speaker001:] So that's one Euro. [speaker004:] S so so you activate the menu. [speaker002:] If we do uh two integrated scroll-wheel push-buttons, we can drop all the the push-buttons. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yeah. Yeah? [speaker002:] With with one uh integrated button we can uh do the whole menu thing. [speaker001:] And [gap] [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] With the other, we can do the the channel, the volume, et cetera. [speaker004:] Yeah. [gap]. [speaker001:] That would save zero point two Euros compared to [disfmarker] No. [speaker002:] No it's three Euros. No? Um [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] No it's it's n Yeah. [speaker001:] To This together is more expensive than [disfmarker] Oof, it's almost the same as t keeping this. [speaker002:] Yeah yeah yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Well okay. [speaker001:] And we can drop these two. [speaker004:] For example if you have f f four buttons, [vocalsound] channel up and down, uh volume left right [disfmarker] [speaker002:] It's the [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Volume. [speaker004:] Okay, I've [disfmarker] I think we have to keep that. [speaker001:] And the power button. [speaker004:] And then [disfmarker] and the power button. So that's five. [speaker001:] That's the basic. [speaker004:] That's basic. That that's what you need anyway. And then for the menu, um you can have a button that activates menu. Or d or do we just integrate an an an scroll-wheel with a push-button. And then if the moment you use the scroll-wheel, the the the menu gets activated, and then you can scroll, choose an option, click on it, it goes into an feature. Click on it again, selects features, scroll, adjust it. Click again, it's okay. Then you only need one button to move back. Or or under each option, you set a [disfmarker] you set an a screen thing what says back, and you select that one, click again, and you go one step back. And in that menu, scroll, click, one step back. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] So that then you need five buttons, and one integrated scroll-wheel push-button. [speaker001:] Yep. [speaker003:] Which [gap] [disfmarker] That's even [disfmarker] [speaker004:] But we can't drop three buttons. [speaker001:] Okay th that's [disfmarker] [speaker004:] But I see that's [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah that's one Euro more expensive. [speaker004:] Yeah. So [gap] [disfmarker] [vocalsound] that's not a good idea. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] That's not an option. [speaker004:] Because which buttons do we have now? Those five which I mentioned, and then menu, and then [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Menu, power. [speaker004:] Yeah. F of the four things? [speaker001:] Four arrows? [speaker004:] Yeah, th power. [speaker001:] Power. Uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Which more? [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yeah, if you if you go to eight [disfmarker] I don't know how to [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah. Okay. So four arrows? [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Uh power I believe? [speaker004:] Power. Th Yeah that's five. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Uh [disfmarker] We have a Back and a Okay button. [speaker004:] Yeah, okay that's seven, [speaker001:] And the Menu. [speaker004:] and one to activate the menu, yeah. So okay that's eight. Well we can't reduce that. We we keep the display. Oh, well okay. [speaker001:] Yeah, and even if we drop three buttons from here, we still have to make some adjustments around here. So [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah, we need the chip for the for the LC display. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] The LCD? Yeah. [speaker002:] Let's make the [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah well we need the advanced [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Let's make the case plastic. [speaker004:] Instead of r [speaker001:] Then I rather make it wood. Because then also it's good in the market with the forty five plus uh people. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah but but that's not our market. [speaker003:] True. [speaker002:] But [disfmarker] [speaker001:] No that [disfmarker] maybe not. But maybe it's better than plastic anyway. [speaker004:] Ah no, hard plastic. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Oh. [speaker002:] Plastic with a with a special colour. A woo wood uh wood uh wood colour. [speaker004:] Yeah, plastic with special colour. [speaker001:] Yeah? [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] No but I I [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] That's an option. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah okay uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Because we have to use the special colour anyway. You forgot that. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yep. Yeah, yeah. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] So let's go for the plastic. [speaker002:] So we do one one s Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah, okay. Plastic. [speaker004:] And since it's not kinetic, it doesn't have to flip around that much? [speaker001:] Uh that's easy because plastic is free. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Hmm. [speaker002:] Hmm. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] We still have problem of two Euros. [speaker001:] Yeah, okay. Uh if we dropped uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] No the buttons, those are really needed. [speaker001:] Yeah? [speaker004:] Yeah we can't drop them. [speaker002:] Yeah th th it's it's uh [disfmarker] An advanced chip-on-print. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Do we really need that advanced chip for an LCD display? [speaker001:] [vocalsound] You still need that. [speaker003:] You [disfmarker] uh uh [disfmarker] Yeah. So the other option would be to go for the the sample speaker, and [disfmarker] Which can use a regular chip, wh which is six Euros in total. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] S [speaker003:] That doesn't matter. [speaker004:] Oh. I rather keep I rather keep the display. [speaker001:] No, I keep the re Yeah. Yeah. Because we already designed for it. So [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Well yeah. [speaker004:] So the only option is an hand dynamo. [speaker003:] Exactly. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Oh that [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah and something else. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yeah but the [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Oh no tha Oh that's one Euro, right. [speaker003:] uh can't we f uh fit all the buttons in an intreg integrated scroll push-button 'Cause that will save us one and a half Euro already. And then if w [speaker004:] And then integrated s Yeah but that would make it not so easy to use. [speaker001:] No y you would rec [speaker004:] I mean it's not that important, easy to use, but [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Then you have [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Th then we have to scroll through a lot of menus to be able to get where you want, huh? [speaker001:] Then you still need two additional buttons I believe. [speaker003:] And uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] For the volume. [speaker003:] Yeah d at l Yeah. At least one for power. [speaker001:] You can use those [disfmarker] Yeah. [speaker002:] But the [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Oh yeah and power. That's three buttons and this would cost [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Oh. Yeah it's just as expensive as what we have now. [speaker002:] But the integrated uh button? How many func functions can it uh have? [speaker001:] Yeah. Three. Up, down, Okay. [speaker003:] Yeah endlessly. I mean it can be a power button as soon as it powered on. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker003:] You can go into you in you main menu, [speaker004:] You you press it for like three seconds. [speaker003:] you can choose uh flip channel, uh you can choose sound options, any options. [speaker004:] Then then then you should do everything in the menu. On the screen. [speaker003:] Yeah. [vocalsound] Maybe we should. [speaker001:] Yeah, okay. It would save enough [disfmarker] [speaker003:] 'Cause we don't have money and w we want the screen. [speaker001:] Yeah you can choose this, drop these, then we have a half Euro left. [speaker004:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] So we can maybe still use power button. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah, but we'd [disfmarker] [vocalsound] Alright. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] I guess we have to. [speaker004:] It s it saves us four Euros and it costs us two and a half. So let's see, we we drop the price by one and a half. [speaker003:] We'll we'll be on [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah. You see? [speaker004:] But we still have thirteen left. [speaker001:] Oh still [disfmarker] Yeah? Oh then I miscalculated. Oh yeah. [speaker004:] Thirteen. So still half. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Shit. [speaker004:] There goes the special co [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Drop the special colour. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Oh no. [speaker004:] Well [disfmarker] [vocalsound] That would make it less appealing. So that's no option. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] 'Kay. What else? Uncurved? [speaker002:] No no, it has to be um curved. [speaker004:] We sure about the advanced chip we need for the display? [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah it says right here. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] They made it very easy for us. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker004:] Well yeah. [vocalsound] [gap] yeah. We made it hard for ourselves with the display, but it's a cool feature. [speaker001:] Ah, I don't think I can s uh persuade the management to say, this is better for the market so you sell more than [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Okay. Wh what we could do is um [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] drop the the special colour, and uh do the special colour for the buttons. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Buttons. That's [disfmarker] Oh yeah since we only have one button. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah but I mean what is meant by special colour? [speaker001:] I just m I don't [disfmarker] I think [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Just something else than than black or white I think. [speaker001:] Uh yeah it's [disfmarker] I think it's grey, regular. [speaker004:] S yeah. Alright. [speaker001:] Grey and rubber. [speaker003:] But we definitely want the thing to be a special colour though. [speaker001:] Of plastic. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. So I rather have an hand dynamo [vocalsound] than than drop the colour. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Damn. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah and then [vocalsound] [disfmarker] Yeah yeah yeah yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] You can still play with it then I guess. I don't know. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah, but a hand dynamo costs a lot of energy to keep the screen working. So I guess that isn't an option. [speaker002:] The display [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Well, you only have to power it up when you wanna use it. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] The [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] But if you have to power the for ten minutes, [vocalsound] then the [disfmarker] [speaker003:] I don't know. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker001:] No I don't think the current status of uh chips are pretty uh energy conserving, no. [speaker003:] [gap]. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah true. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Let's let's go for the hand dynamo then. [speaker001:] Yeah hand dynamo? Do you want an extra button? [speaker004:] Or or do we [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Or do we do uncurved and flat? Instead of [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] No no it has to be curved. [speaker004:] Yeah it has to be curved and has to have that colour. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. Just put a special special colour of the buttons, or something. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] And a screen. [speaker003:] Yeah. That's the most import [speaker001:] Yep? Instead of an additional power button? [speaker002:] Yeah or spe special form? [speaker004:] Yeah. S what what is special f Oh yeah, special form. [speaker001:] Yeah? [speaker004:] Maybe that's nicer. [speaker001:] It's for scroll [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] But we don't have any buttons. [speaker001:] Without [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] So do [disfmarker] [speaker003:] We only have [disfmarker] [speaker004:] d Uh make it a special colour then. [speaker002:] Yeah. But it's it's for the integrated button, I think also. Or [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah [speaker003:] Yeah but [disfmarker] [speaker004:] ma make it a special colour then. [speaker001:] Yeah but it's just a scroll-wheel which you can push down. So [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah. Okay. Yeah. [speaker004:] Okay. Make it a special colour and then it look fancy. [speaker001:] Yeah? [speaker002:] Yep. [speaker001:] So [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] So [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Woah we're within budget. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] It's a miracle. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Oh just [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Let's let's save it. [speaker002:] oh ma make it two special colours, but we only have one button. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker004:] Let's do it like this, I mean, because it does not lose our identity of the product as we [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah? [vocalsound] Okay. Um, well [disfmarker] [gap]. 'Kay, this was old. [speaker003:] Well we come back to the drawing board then, huh? [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah all your designs are uh pretty much [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah. [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker001:] Yeah back to work Uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] It's silly 'cause we we should have had this meeting before we start drawing. [speaker001:] Did I save it? Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah but that but that's the fun part of it. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] I I wanted to go, but I wasn't allowed. So [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Oh yeah? [gap] okay. [speaker004:] Alright. [speaker001:] Uh I just forgot to save this. Just a minute. [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [gap]. [speaker004:] Yeah what's the next uh phase? [speaker001:] Yeah, this the last phase of course, so [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Uh the agenda. By your humble PM. [speaker001:] Hmm. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Oh f [vocalsound] Frustrated. [vocalsound] Alright. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Oh. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Okay. Um [disfmarker] [vocalsound] Well we first should have had a uh prototype presentation. But well as you saw that hadn't made no sense, because we had to drop it. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Drop everything. Yeah. [speaker004:] Drop, yeah. [speaker001:] Uh [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] We went straight into finance? [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah. [vocalsound] Yeah it was more important, so I just [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker003:] For [disfmarker] Yeah. [speaker001:] pushed up the agenda. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Uh, evaluation criteria. You have t produced something about that? [speaker004:] Yeah that that's [disfmarker] Yeah. I uh I sure did. And it combines with product evaluation. Uh so [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Uh you put it in the [gap]. [speaker004:] We all have to keep in mind what has changed now. So what we have left on the [disfmarker] Because evaluation is based on the initial uh user requirements. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Alright. [vocalsound] Let's make it big. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] F five. [speaker004:] Um [disfmarker] Well we evaluate uh the design with a seven point scale, as following. Well the remote controls according criteria blah blah blah. True or false, and then on a scale of seven points, a [gap] scale, as we all know it. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Um [disfmarker] Well the criteria are based on the user requirements, uh the trends from the marketing research, and the marketing strategy of the company itself. Um well they are in a Word document, which I will open now. [speaker001:] Alt up [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah. I don't know it's open yet. No. And we all have to uh agree on a certain level. What's this? [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Freaky. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Oh. I don't know. Um [disfmarker] Well the first point is the remote control matches the operating behaviour of the young user. So that means the operating behaviour was using quite a lot of functions. How do you think about that? [speaker003:] [vocalsound] I think it does. Because the operating [gap] behaviour of the young user was also defined in colour and shape and the use of LCD, right? [speaker001:] Yeah. Uh, of course we dropped a little bit of those uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah the us u It it [disfmarker] it's it's mainly con mainly concentrating on a lot of functions, in this question. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] So do you think [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Well, we have extended menus, on the on the LCD screen. So [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah. You can you can ma Yeah, you can make a lot of extended menus. That's true. [speaker002:] Yep. [speaker004:] I mean the the possibilities are almost unlimited, to to build in menus in the screen. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] I [gap] No. [speaker004:] So on a scale from one to seven, what do you think? [speaker002:] Two or three. [speaker004:] Huh? [speaker002:] Two or three. [speaker004:] Two or three? Something like that? Well we have to choose one. [speaker001:] Two. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] So uh what do you say? [speaker001:] Uh y we should fill this in now. [speaker004:] I agree on two. Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah okay. [speaker004:] I uh I say two, personally. But [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah in the new design I s would say it's three. But now, in original design I say two. [speaker003:] Yeah alright. [speaker004:] Yeah well we have to evaluate I guess what we have now. [speaker001:] Okay then I say three. [speaker004:] Yeah? You say three, [speaker003:] Yeah yeah. [speaker004:] and you you said al also three? Three? [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Okay well I say still two, but it has to be three then. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Hey, you're marketing, eh. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah I know. So it's made bold. But it's [disfmarker] nah, it's not very clear on the sc [speaker001:] Hmm. M maybe underline. [speaker002:] Or give it a colour. [speaker004:] Maybe other colour, yeah. That's better. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Red. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Uh [disfmarker] Yeah. Alright. Oh, it doesn't have to be bold anymore. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Oh yeah very true. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Alright. Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah true one. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Um well the remote control has [disfmarker] [vocalsound] Wha [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] He types everything. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Definitely one. It has to be. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] The remote control has irrelevant or less used functions. For example audio settings and screen settings. [speaker002:] It hides uh basic functions. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Everything. [vocalsound] You don't use anything else. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah. Well, yeah. So it it's a very true point. I mean it hides all those function. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] You're not gonna find them. [speaker001:] Yeah. Yeah okay. Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah true. [speaker004:] But, I mean uh they're hidden in the screen. If you don't want to use them, you don't s you s just scroll over them. And you place them [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] F I don't know where. So that's very true, I guess, for our case. Uh the second point. [speaker003:] Yeah the next [disfmarker] Not so much so. [speaker004:] It shows the relevant and most used functions. [speaker001:] Nope. [speaker004:] Power button. Do we ha still have a power button? [speaker001:] Uh check with the Excel sheet. [speaker004:] Well yeah the button's integrated, huh? [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] I think we are [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah it's uh it's integrated. [speaker004:] Yeah we dropped it. You j you just push it in for [disfmarker] [speaker002:] It's in [disfmarker] Oh yeah it was integrateds. Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah integrate it. [speaker004:] Yeah just just push it in for th for three seconds or something, and then [disfmarker] [speaker003:] E exactly just like a m mobile. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. I don't know. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Just go scrolling and it will activate. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Um it shows the relevant and most used functions. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [gap]. [speaker004:] Yeah uh on the other [disfmarker] uh on one side I would say yes, and the other side I would say no. So it's [disfmarker] I don't know. [speaker001:] It shows the most used functions and they are relevant, but [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Can you uh change channels directly with with just one button? [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] No, you have to scroll through the menu, before [speaker004:] With the scroll butt Yeah and then say channel. [speaker002:] Yeah. So it's it's not [disfmarker] [speaker004:] And then [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Well uh we should b build it so that if you don't kind of push into the menu or something, if [disfmarker] When it's on, yeah, it's turned on, [speaker004:] Hmm? [speaker001:] You say you double click on the [disfmarker] [speaker003:] It automatically has the the programme and the volume function, [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] but as soon as you click it you go into the menu or some [gap] [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Of you [disfmarker] Or you double click it. [speaker004:] But but how do you change from volume to channel? [speaker003:] No because it has four arrows, [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] right? [speaker001:] No, not anymore. [speaker002:] No. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] No. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Because he's [gap] now have a scroll-wheel that you can push in. [speaker003:] Oh yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah I was thinking still about our uh integrated joystick. [speaker001:] Like on the the mouse. [speaker004:] No we have n we have no buttons left. So [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Say. [speaker004:] the joystick was not an option. [speaker003:] Yeah that is a bummer. [speaker004:] So [disfmarker] [vocalsound] so you hav [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] So you you have to double-click, I mean, for, I mean, uh volume, [speaker001:] To get into menu. Yeah. [speaker004:] and three double click for the menu, or something. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Oh no. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Or hold it ten seconds. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] We'll make it a Morse code. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [vocalsound] Yeah. Yeah. Alright. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] But but ease of use was not very important, may I remind you. [speaker001:] No no no. Uh it should be trendy. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] So that's [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah but that that's not a question. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Uh the remote control shows the relevant and most used functions. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Well I think it's pretty much in the middle. [speaker001:] Yeah. Four. [speaker004:] You have to search for them in in the in the s in the screen, in the menu. So [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah, im [disfmarker] in the menu. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Seven. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] So maybe it's more like a f a five. Or [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah. Five. [speaker003:] Yeah I would go for five or six, yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. Five or six? [speaker001:] Five. [speaker003:] Okay five. [speaker002:] Five. Yep. [speaker004:] Five? Alright. [speaker003:] Let's not diss our remote. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] It's the weirdest remote control I've ever seen. So [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Oh. [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yep. Just one button. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Well it's different. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah. Alright. Uh the the remote control makes use of technolog technological innovation like LCD screen and speech recognition. [speaker003:] But [disfmarker] Uh yep. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Well yeah but we dropped the speech recognition. But it has at least one innovation. [speaker001:] Yeah, it's still [disfmarker] Yeah, I say two. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] We still have the fruit and vegetable print. [speaker004:] I say two then. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah but [disfmarker] [vocalsound] that that's not that's not this question. Uh thi uh that's the other question. [speaker001:] Oh, that's the next. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Fr Oh I mean the [disfmarker] Oh never mind. I'm a bit lost. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] This one. [speaker002:] I think a two. No. [speaker001:] Two. [speaker004:] Two yeah. [speaker003:] [gap]. [speaker004:] I think LCD's more useful than speech [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yep. [speaker001:] Yeah definitely. [speaker004:] What? Oh not the bold one. [speaker003:] It's way more practical, yeah. [speaker004:] Right. Okay, it has a fancy look and feel by using fruit and vegetable prints, primary colours and sponge-like material. [vocalsound] It should have been two questions. [vocalsound] I realise now, because [vocalsound] sponge-like material is dropped. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] But the look and feel [disfmarker] [speaker001:] You still have rubber d Or no. [speaker003:] Yeah. So we still uh we still have the primary colours. But only on the on the outside, not on the button. [speaker002:] No you got a plastic. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] The button has also colour. Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah? [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] The one button we have. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah. The one. [speaker003:] Yeah. Yeah still we we dropped also on the the double uh curve. [speaker001:] Yeah you could check with the Excel sheet. [speaker004:] Mm mm. [speaker002:] Yeah. You only have one [disfmarker] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah we have single curve now, [speaker003:] And and colour. [speaker004:] and no and no material [speaker003:] Yeah. S [speaker004:] So maybe in the middle or something. [speaker002:] Four. Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah, I mean it's [speaker001:] Yeah or three. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] worth the [disfmarker] Yeah. [speaker001:] We have something. [speaker003:] Actually we d we didn't do so well on this one. Because it's basically an old one, uh with little curve on the side, and in a different colour. Still, it's still hard. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] I mean the sponge-like and the three D shape, that would give it something young and fresh. [speaker001:] New. Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. But then we would have to drop the screen. [speaker002:] Red. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Oh red. Yeah. [speaker001:] You like both. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [vocalsound] I like bold. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Uh the remote control displays the corporate logo. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Um oh yeah. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Mm yeah yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Of course. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] I just couldn't [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] You just have to draw it. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Um, just one minute. [speaker003:] Yeah but it [disfmarker] [speaker002:] It's the white part uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] be because uh we couldn't hardly draw on the b s on the lower half of the screen, we could not make it big enough to actually draw in the [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [gap]. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] So I mean I wanted to put digits on the buttons as well. But [disfmarker] [speaker002:] We have a we have a [disfmarker] [speaker001:] So [disfmarker] [speaker004:] But there's uh enough space for the corporate logo. I mean, [vocalsound] if there's only one thing. [speaker003:] Hell yeah. If we have only one button. [speaker004:] Yeah. So I will say that is very true. [speaker001:] [gap]. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] And even the shape we have now uh simulates kind of an R and the reversed R, doesn't it? [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [vocalsound] The remote control is easy to use. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] So [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Well I would say [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] No. [speaker004:] Skill, uh I would say six, or something. I don't think it's easy to use, or not so. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] The only e the only thing easy about it is that you don't have to move your fingers. 'Cause it has only one button. [speaker002:] Ah i [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] And that you only have to control one button. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah exactly. [speaker004:] It it it has a nice screen. But [disfmarker] Yeah. [speaker002:] It gives visual feedback. So [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah. Well I I would say a five or a six. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] I would say six. [speaker002:] I think a five. Five. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] What do you say? Easy to use? Five or a six? [speaker003:] It's really not easy to use. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] 'Cause you're putting everything [disfmarker] [speaker001:] No not anymore. [speaker004:] So a six, more. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah, uh I would go for the six too. So [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Okay. Yeah. [speaker003:] Most votes count. Um [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Um well, another question, [speaker002:] Yeah that looks uh great. [speaker004:] uh the remote control is durable. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] I don't know if that's the correct word. [speaker002:] Yeah. Nah [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Definitely in casing, 'cause we have a hard plastic [speaker004:] But uh [disfmarker] In use, both battery as casing? [speaker003:] [disfmarker] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah? [speaker003:] Yeah because the the batteries, those thingies last forever. [speaker004:] True, true. [speaker003:] And the the casing, hard plastic also lasts forever. [speaker004:] And the casing is plastic, [gap]? [speaker002:] Yep. [speaker004:] Yeah. If you don't drop it too much, it's uh should last pretty long. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] So I would go for one. [speaker004:] Yeah? But uh I think rubber compared is better. So I think a two is more appropriate [speaker002:] Yeah. S Yep. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Okay yeah. [speaker004:] than [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Wow. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah. Logo. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Okay I will go [disfmarker] go for two. [vocalsound] Uh the last one? The remote control's a good example for company's motto, we put the fashion in electronics. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Oh. No m [speaker002:] No we put the electronics into the fashion. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yeah well [disfmarker] yeah. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] I would g [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [gap] uh [disfmarker] [gap] turn around. Yeah. But um [disfmarker] [speaker003:] I would go for four. [speaker004:] Yeah? [speaker001:] No [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Because we kind of tried to but we kind of failed with the budget that we have. [speaker004:] It's not [disfmarker] [vocalsound] Yeah, true. [speaker001:] Yeah okay. [speaker004:] So a four. It's [disfmarker] [vocalsound] it g it g goes, it's not the best we could do, I guess. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] But it all has to do with the budget, because it's it's not the bad idea we had, so [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah. Yeah yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah, four is okay. [speaker004:] Alright, yeah. Right. [speaker001:] So [disfmarker] [speaker004:] So if I understood it right, we have to count these numbers. [speaker003:] That's it. [speaker001:] Ooh. And [disfmarker] Yeah? What? [speaker004:] Uh [disfmarker] Yeah. Mm-hmm. Oh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Oh [disfmarker] Alright. Word document, the [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah we have to count them. [speaker001:] That [disfmarker] Count them. [speaker004:] Uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Add them? Or [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah just add them and then uh divide them. [speaker001:] Could somebody start calculator? [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah. Mm. [vocalsound] I all made it po I I all made it [speaker003:] Ah we can do the math. Uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] I all made it possible uh for a positive questions, so we can count it. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] I mean if you have reversed question, you have to reverse the scale, [speaker001:] Yeah, yeah. You have to [disfmarker] [speaker004:] uh [disfmarker] Yes. [speaker001:] 'Kay. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] So four and [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Did you make this questionnaire or what? [speaker004:] Yeah. [vocalsound] Thanks. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Nice work. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker003:] Oh. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Three plus? [speaker003:] I wouldn't be able to do it that fast. [speaker001:] O one. [speaker002:] Plus one. [speaker001:] Plus five. [speaker002:] Plus five? [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Oh [disfmarker] Easy. [speaker001:] Bo [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Question number four, yeah? [speaker001:] Uh two. [speaker004:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] F [speaker001:] Four. [speaker002:] Oh. Wait a second. Oh. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] It's it's gone wrong. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] How hard is it? [speaker002:] Okay. It's your turn. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah just use [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Pretty difficult. [speaker001:] Start over? [speaker002:] No it's if you press twice on the plus button, then you get s s [speaker004:] Oh there tho uh there's no n There's no num pads. [speaker001:] You can [disfmarker] [speaker002:] No. That's why it's uh [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Oh yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] It's a it's a bit uh [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Just type in the digits. They're all one digit numbers right? And then you can count them together. [speaker004:] Yeah. I think you can just count them by a [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Just count it to [disfmarker] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker004:] Um let's move over. [speaker001:] Okay. Three, four, nine. [speaker004:] Three, plus one, four. Nine. [speaker001:] Uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Uh, yeah. Are you here? Eleven. [speaker003:] Eleven. [speaker001:] Eleven, [speaker003:] Fifteen. [speaker004:] Fifteen. [speaker001:] fifteen. [speaker002:] Sixteen. [speaker003:] Sixteen. [speaker004:] Sixteen, yeah. [speaker003:] Seventeen. [speaker001:] Seventeen. [speaker004:] No sixteen. Uh sixteen plus six. [speaker003:] Oh what? [speaker002:] Twenty two. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] S Uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] How hard is this? [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Twenty two. Twenty two, yeah? [speaker003:] Never mind. [speaker002:] Twenty four. Twenty six. [speaker004:] Tw [speaker003:] Twenty four. Twenty eight. [speaker002:] Oh, sorry. [gap]. [speaker004:] Twenty [disfmarker] Twenty eight. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Oh my. [speaker001:] That was the last one. That was that. [speaker003:] Twenty eight. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Okay. Twenty eight. [speaker001:] So divided by nine. [speaker004:] Twen Uh okay. By nine. [speaker002:] Hmm. [speaker004:] That's uh three uh [disfmarker] [vocalsound] Or le less than a three. [speaker001:] So [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah the lower the [disfmarker] The lower the score the better, right? [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. Twenty eight [speaker003:] Yeah but [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Divided by nine. [speaker004:] di divided by nine [speaker001:] So thr t two. [speaker004:] makes three point one one one one one one one. [speaker001:] So we're better than average. [speaker003:] But [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] I Are you sure we [disfmarker] this number actually tells us somethings? [speaker001:] No. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] I don't think so because some questions are related to positive issues and some to negative. [speaker002:] Some questions are [disfmarker] Yeah. [speaker003:] So if you give a true to a positive, it actually means that the low [disfmarker] the lower the better. But if you give true to a negative question [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah, but there are no negative questions I guess. [speaker003:] No? [speaker004:] Good example. Durable use. [speaker003:] Durable, that's good. [speaker004:] Easy to use. This [gap] is good. [speaker003:] Easy to use. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Fancy look and feel, that's good. [speaker003:] Yeah. [gap]. [speaker004:] Technology innovation was good, because of a marketing uh requirement. [speaker003:] Also good. [speaker004:] Re relevant most used function. [speaker003:] Yeah okay. I guess you did do it. [speaker004:] And hides these functions. [vocalsound] That was also a good thing. [speaker002:] Oh yeah. Yeah. [speaker003:] Oh yeah yeah. No [disfmarker] [speaker004:] And then matches the opera of the [gap] user was also a good thing. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Okay. Okay. [speaker004:] So it were all positive questions, by uh by purpose. So [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah true. [speaker004:] Yes, so the [disfmarker] It tells us something, yes. Becau But the picture would be a lot different if we didn't have to drop those uh those things, I guess. [speaker002:] Oh great. [speaker001:] Things, yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah definitely definitely. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] Because now it's just an average [disfmarker] It's remote. [speaker004:] Yeah. Nah it it's it's better than average, but [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah okay because of the LCD screen. But uh it looks and stuff, it still uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah. So th [speaker001:] It's still [disfmarker] yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Has some shortcomings. [speaker003:] it's not, it's not really eye-catching, except for the colour. [speaker004:] No. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] The colour and the screen. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Okay so [disfmarker] [vocalsound] Um this we had, this we had. [speaker003:] Product evaluation. [speaker001:] We have to do a product evaluation. [vocalsound] Uh prototype presentation we dropped. So [disfmarker] Uh the finance we looked. We have redesigned. Uh not on that, but [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah we we have to maybe if we have to redesign it on this [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Okay it's your turn now. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] So you can just make one big LCD screen. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Shall we try? [speaker004:] [vocalsound] With some casing around it, yeah. [speaker003:] Black. Okay uh we're still gonna go for the fancy colours? [speaker001:] Yeah uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] But are we gonna stick with the green or are we gonna do blue? [speaker002:] Yeah we we can just uh use this one. And then uh over-paint it with uh uh the green uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] The the button has a special colour, the frame has a special colour. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] he only needs one button. [speaker003:] One scroll button and [disfmarker] [speaker001:] It's plastic. [vocalsound] And single curved. [speaker002:] Yeah. Or we have to delete this one or [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Oh and you might want to add a uh infrared LED. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Oh [disfmarker] oh no. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Oh yeah. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Otherwise it uh doesn't function uh so well. [speaker003:] For what? [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] So that's [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Do we have to do other things? [speaker001:] Well I have to um um make an uh report of every decision we made so far. [speaker004:] Or just redesign? [vocalsound] Alright. [speaker001:] And I try to get chip just before uh I uh receive the Excel sheet. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] So I [disfmarker] [speaker004:] So you made a start, right? [speaker001:] Yeah I'm I'm somewhere, but maybe you can help me. [speaker003:] Should give it some time? [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yay. [speaker001:] Uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Okay, but how do we make the the scroll uh button? [speaker001:] I was here. So [disfmarker] [speaker002:] It's just one [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Have to take this away also. [speaker004:] Alright. [speaker002:] yeah. [speaker001:] Ah [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] And this um [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Uh that's the infrared uh [vocalsound] thing. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Oh yeah, of course. [speaker004:] The the target group has a weak spot for fruit and vegetables, like primary colours, spongy shape. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Um pen yeah? Format. Current colour red. [speaker004:] The playfulness, we decided to use kinetic energy as a power sour [speaker003:] Oh [disfmarker] Yeah we did our special colour for the [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker003:] Line widths, now that's a ten. [speaker004:] That's conceptual, yes. [speaker001:] That's enough to get started with, so [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yeah. Um, uh it's just a scroll [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker003:] It's gonna be one str scroll. [speaker004:] How many pages? [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yeah, is it's horizontal or vertical? [speaker001:] Uh, I just took one for every step and then a conclusion. [speaker004:] Alright. [speaker002:] I think [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Y you have you have done the first two. [speaker003:] Horizontal's easier too, [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] 'cause you can [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Okay, and and the look and feel is [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Is it more natural than this? [speaker001:] Well I think I have to make a p an issue called finance. [speaker002:] Yeah, yeah. [speaker003:] So let's say [disfmarker] Whoops. 'Kay. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yes. [speaker003:] Basically. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] It doesn't look like uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] The items we had to drop. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Uh it [disfmarker] it's it's not [disfmarker] Yeah. It's not very fashionable anymore. But uh it's okay. [speaker003:] It's really ugly. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Where did we start with price? Twenty six and a half. [speaker002:] Maybe m make it bigger? Or [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Or not? Or twenty six? Something like that. [speaker002:] Yeah. That looks little bit more uh [disfmarker] Maybe that's a s a special colour for it. So we can make it uh special? [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Oh [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] This? [speaker003:] What do you mean? Like a other colour than this one? [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Or or speckles in it? I dunno. Uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Speckles? [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah can we do it uh [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [disfmarker] uh can we do a print? [speaker002:] I'm not sure. [speaker003:] I think we have to choose, yeah? [speaker001:] I don't think so, if you see the options. But [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Okay special colour. We do have special colour. Does it mean uh that [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah red is already a special colour, I think. So [disfmarker] [vocalsound] It's not very special, but uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Shall we just give it some dots to make it look pretty? [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Purdy. [speaker002:] Just uh put the purple uh purple on it. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah. Some some big dots. [speaker003:] Purple? [speaker002:] That's trendy. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah yeah. Oh no my remote has acne. [speaker004:] We have the original balance sheet, or [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Woah. [speaker003:] No. That's why we have that button. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Oh yeah. [speaker003:] It's so cute. [speaker002:] Hmm. Oh what? [speaker003:] Doh. [speaker004:] Woah. [speaker002:] [gap]? [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Just cut. Control Z. [speaker002:] Oh no. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Is that that? [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] No no. Yeah. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker003:] How the [disfmarker] We [disfmarker] did we do that? [speaker002:] Oh it's it's just one computer? Or [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Just dual screen. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] No. But can we delete it, just with delete? Or [disfmarker] [speaker003:] We can try. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] That doesn't respond also to the undo. It looks like it's [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Crashed. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] No, [gap] [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Oh, no. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Very nice. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Where do you want some more dots? [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yeah, over here. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Hmm? [speaker001:] You can't even draw anymore. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah. Y y you you [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Even children can draw. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] What's this? [speaker004:] you push the button or something. Or [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Can you just push pen and then keep on [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Oh yeah. Oh that's the select button. It's uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Hmm. [speaker003:] Okay, it's not the prettiest, I know. [speaker002:] No, it looks [disfmarker] [speaker003:] It's not so random huh? [speaker004:] Lot of options. [speaker002:] It's okay. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Specially the the R. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah, the R and another R. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yeah okay. [speaker004:] It's called the Real Remote, right? [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Maybe maybe it c it can say that. The Real Remote. [speaker001:] Yeah just on the the m um the LCD display. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [vocalsound] Welcome. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] We can make a l a logo. [speaker001:] This is your Real Remote. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker003:] Like uh [gap] put it like the shape. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] D designed by [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Something like that. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker003:] I mean it's not too uh [disfmarker] That's not their logo, is it? [speaker002:] No. Do they have a lo [disfmarker] Oh, the [disfmarker] here. This i this is the logo. [speaker003:] Yeah. It's a [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Two Rs and a one [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah. You can just reuse that, because the name is the same. Initials. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [gap]. [speaker004:] You can copy and paste the picture if you want. [speaker003:] How [gap] [disfmarker] Shall we do the logo in black or not? [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. [vocalsound] What is that? Look more [disfmarker] Looks more like a campfire. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Are you dissing my drawing? [vocalsound] This one? [speaker004:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] It looks like a ribbon. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [gap] Yeah. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker003:] So who wants to draw? This is actually quite fun. Do we need to do anything? I hear you people are typing. [speaker002:] Are we uh ready? Uh [disfmarker] Or [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Type in your report. [speaker003:] Oh, okay. [speaker004:] I don't see any new messages. So [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Luckily. [speaker004:] Hmm? Luckily, yeah. [speaker002:] Is this uh the last assignment? Or [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] Yeah, it's uh [speaker002:] Final [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [disfmarker] Yeah. [speaker003:] It's almost four. [speaker004:] What time do we have to deliver the report? Four o'clock or [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] At four, yeah, [gap]? [speaker004:] Or before that? [speaker001:] Okay. And copy this. [speaker004:] Just compare uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Just a minute. [speaker003:] This is really bizarre. [speaker001:] It's [disfmarker] [speaker003:] It looks like there's a [disfmarker] It looks like a butterfly. [speaker002:] Um bug. Bug. [speaker001:] It's somewhere [disfmarker] I d It isn't inside. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] No it's in inside the [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah, and don't know how it's [disfmarker] or eject it. [speaker004:] No it's on the on the beamer I guess. [speaker002:] No it [disfmarker] Oh. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] No, but it i It's not a bu a beamer. [speaker001:] From up there? No. [speaker003:] B It's a normal TV screen, kind of thing. [speaker002:] Hey, you've got it uh read only. [speaker001:] Yeah it's somewhere in here. [speaker002:] So you have to uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Save copy. [speaker004:] Yeah. Strange. This something what's projection from behind, I guess. [speaker001:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [gap]. [speaker001:] [gap]. [speaker002:] It's too uh [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Oh. Yeah there is some kind of projection I think. [speaker001:] Yes. [speaker004:] Yeah it it's a beamer, but then with a [disfmarker] [speaker003:] With a with a mirror, huh? Or something. [speaker004:] within a mirror, yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] [gap] [vocalsound] [gap]. [speaker004:] So it looks like a big screen, but [gap] [disfmarker] in fact it isn't. [speaker003:] So are we gonna change anything to this? [speaker002:] It is [disfmarker] [speaker003:] I mean is it gonna [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Well it's it's single single curved. [speaker001:] Well [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] It's now single curved. So [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Th this is flat. Yeah. [speaker003:] This is gonna be flat. Yeah exactly. [speaker002:] It's flat. Oh no. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Okay. It doesn't matter. It's it's [vocalsound] [disfmarker] [speaker004:] But it's it's better to have in the front, this kind of shape, because it looks nice. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] I mean you see more of this than of that. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah, more like that. [speaker003:] Yeah. And this is also gonna be [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] It's not very uh ideal. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Nope. [speaker004:] Do like this. [speaker003:] But sometimes then uh all of a sudden it does work. [speaker004:] Yeah. What's this? [speaker002:] [vocalsound] That's the detector uh for the [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Ooh. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Okay. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Maybe [disfmarker] [speaker004:] But I don't see a detector over there. [speaker002:] Yeah. I don't know. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] No it's [disfmarker] I think you only need two points. Or not. No, you sh [speaker004:] I thought it was a kind of thing to put it on, and then draw right lines or something. [speaker002:] Maybe that's why it's it's not working, because it's more [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Slanted yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Or just messed it up. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Well maybe. [speaker002:] Oh. [vocalsound] Oh yeah. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah it it matters for the aim of this thing. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah but it wasn't good. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] You've to make it s uh ninety degrees. [speaker004:] Yeah it it has to touch the corners, I guess. But th this one wasn't good, because if I was drawing here, I drew a line and then it came over here. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Um now you probably have to recalibrate. [speaker002:] You have [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Oh, five minutes to the end of the meeting. [speaker004:] Oh. [speaker002:] Oh we're always long. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] And the recalibration is done using this icon here. [speaker002:] Yeah, [speaker004:] Ooh. [speaker002:] can we t can we get to that [gap] i [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Oh it's not working anymore. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah yeah, it's it's okay. It's working again. [speaker001:] Yeah well I just [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Oh yeah yeah yeah yeah, it's it's working, it's working. [speaker003:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker004:] It's better than before. [speaker002:] [gap] [disfmarker] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] We're improving uh [disfmarker] Yeah. [speaker001:] You go ahead. [speaker004:] Yeah that's improved uh pretty much. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah it's only a bit like to that side, [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] but that is that one by the way. [speaker004:] Yeah but it's better, it's better [disfmarker] [speaker003:] 'Cause this one makes the angle either like this. [speaker002:] No it [disfmarker] [speaker003:] So i if I change this, it will go there, if I change that, will go there. [speaker004:] Mm. No. It's better than it was I guess. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. I will take this away 'cause it looks messy. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Silly. Yeah. Works pretty well. Five minutes before the meeting's over. [speaker001:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker004:] And then? We have to present [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Then I have to uh uh write this, and I don't know if you have to present, because I didn't receive any information about that so far. [speaker004:] Alright. [speaker003:] Maybe we will. [speaker001:] Maybe we get a a final mail. [speaker004:] So it [disfmarker] after the [disfmarker] after after these five minutes, you have to [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah. [vocalsound] Yeah, I have still ten minutes to finish the report. [speaker003:] What's this anyway? [speaker002:] So cake. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Alright. After after that five minutes, you have ten minutes to finish it, or [disfmarker] [speaker003:] It looks like candle wax. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Alright. And we uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] And you can uh just uh relax and uh have cup of coffee or [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Right. Chill. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] oh no, they don't have beer here so you can't celebrate. [speaker004:] Huh. [speaker001:] You can just if you ma finish my presentation please. Uh over there. [speaker004:] Uh [disfmarker] Yeah? [speaker001:] The presentation is still open. So if you finish that then you'll see uh [disfmarker] Yeah next. [speaker004:] Next slide. [speaker001:] Oh yeah, we have to do the project uh evaluation. Just uh do that quickly. [speaker004:] Yeah? [speaker001:] Uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] How do you do it? [speaker001:] Uh well basically what that says, we discuss it and um [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Alright. [speaker001:] So how were [disfmarker] did the project process uh go? Did you, were you all pleased with the process as it was? Or are there uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Uh th uh do you mean the the interaction between us? Or [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah the interaction and the steps we followed, and and so forth. [speaker003:] Yeah well at first I was really stressed. Because it went a bit fast. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] But then as I knew the tempo that I had to be on, the second time I think I did a bit better. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] And the third time yeah, I mean [disfmarker] [speaker004:] And we move more to to working together as team, [speaker002:] No. [speaker004:] because at first you you make your individual contribution, and then come here, and you have no idea what the others have to make. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [vocalsound] [gap]. [speaker002:] No. [speaker003:] Yeah, yeah yeah yeah. [speaker004:] And then finally you have some idea, okay this is gonna w this is what we gonna make together and okay I will arrange this and you will arrange that, [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] and you have a k a kind of idea what you can expect on the next half hour when you have to work on your own. So [disfmarker] The process, I mean, the interaction between us became better and better I guess. [speaker003:] Yeah we [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah. Yeah. Especially after the first meeting. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] Yeah, especially if f f if you see [disfmarker] uh you se [speaker002:] And [disfmarker] [speaker004:] you saw the largest difference from the first to the second meeting I guess. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. Definitely. [speaker001:] Okay and was that due to my leadership? [speaker002:] Yeah yeah yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Well you did become more assertive the the second time round, so that [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah? [speaker003:] Yeah. You were more in charge kind of thing. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] That okay? [vocalsound] Okay. Um was there uh enough room for creativity? [speaker003:] I guess so. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah but only the the financial parts uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] I mean [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Li Limiteded afterwards, [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] but [disfmarker] If if you don't take that into account, there's plenty of room for creativ creativity. [speaker003:] I [speaker004:] Also not only the drawing and the the making of the thing itself, but also in explaining it to the other people, by means of uh [speaker003:] We were pretty democratic. [speaker004:] the the board and uh PowerPoint and Word and stuff like that. [speaker001:] So and the [disfmarker] uh about the board [gap] digital pen? Uh was that helpful or [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Mm uh I think in in essence [speaker001:] Ooh. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] the digital pen is better than the SMARTboard. Because it it it just works better. I mean uh uh I've made [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah it works. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] yeah, uh I've made several notes just to test it, and and just put the pen in into it, and then it came onto my screen and it looked perfectly. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] So it it's better a better device than uh [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Maybe [disfmarker] Yeah. [speaker004:] than the screen. But the screen is useful, in essence, but it doesn't work that well. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] It's uh it's [disfmarker] The the pen is more intuitive, 'cause we're all used to writing with pen. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Use the pen. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] And uh as I said, uh I uh have no idea how PowerPoint works, so will take me half a day to be able to make a normal PowerPoint presentation. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] But once I get to know the program probably, I mean, it looks better, you know. Or uh something like that. You can give it a kind of a home style, like we have i the the logo and everything. [speaker001:] Yeah yeah. [speaker003:] And [disfmarker] I don't know. [speaker004:] Yep. [speaker001:] Blink. Oh. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Warning. Finish meeting now. [speaker002:] Finish meeting. [speaker001:] Okay, are are there [vocalsound] any new ideas about this? All I think [disfmarker] I didn't really receive, yeah. [speaker004:] Well, it [disfmarker] It's use especially useful, I guess, to to evaluate designs and graph graphical stuff. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Uh uh w uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] And and [speaker001:] S sorry uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] the [gap] screen and stuff like that. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] I think the PowerPoint is is too limited. You can't uh draw easy in in PowerPoint. It has to be uh [disfmarker] yeah. The drawing board has to be integrated into PowerPoint, so that you can just easily [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah the the the problem with PowerPoint for me is that you have to i put in the pre-made chunks c as well. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] You know, you can draw something on the sketch-board and then take it there, or whatever. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. Yeah. But it it's useful to to show something to to an [disfmarker] a small audience, and then to [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah just for text, for text it's uh it's okay. But [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah. These these kind of screens this size are useful to discuss things. So [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Oh. [speaker004:] Yes. Check your email. [speaker001:] Uh we should uh enter our questionnaire. [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [gap] [vocalsound] You also. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] 'Kay. [speaker001:] Ah. [vocalsound] [vocalsound] Woah. [speaker003:] Alright. [speaker004:] Right. [speaker001:] Okay. Uh okay. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker003:] Alright. [speaker004:] Yes boss. [speaker003:] Well, s see you in a second huh? [gap]. [speaker001:] That's the management. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Well see you soon. [speaker002:] Oh. Okay. [speaker001:] Hope so. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker001:] Um [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah [vocalsound] we have to pull it this way, huh? Wait.

[speaker001:] Mm. [speaker004:] So, [speaker001:] So, uh now [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Hi Christa. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] it's the [disfmarker] [vocalsound] Hi Sammy. [vocalsound] It's the detail design meeting, so we're going [disfmarker] last meeting. So um, first uh Mark and Rama are going to present uh the prototype. Uh then uh Sammy will propose some uh crite cr criteria to evaluate this prototype. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yes. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] Yes. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Then, w we [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] And then we going to do some finance to see if uh it is uh feasible [speaker002:] And chocolate? [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] and uh at the end we will we will um evaluate ourself as a team. [vocalsound] And that's all. [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker001:] Okay. So first, [vocalsound] let's uh see the prototype. [speaker003:] Yeah. Uh, here we have our prototype model. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Okay. And you have some slides then? [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] Yeah. Yeah, we have also some slides. [speaker002:] Yes, and place some slides. [speaker001:] [gap] Yeah. Mm. Okay. Uh so in which uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] In [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Uh, participant three. [vocalsound] Prototype. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Mm okay. Mm. [speaker003:] Five. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Uh, so [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Him. [speaker002:] this is our remote control. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] It's a r working prototype. You can use it now by switching all these buttons. So first, I present as we came to this perfect model, [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] and then we'll give some technical specifications. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] That's [vocalsound] well [vocalsound] [vocalsound], so that's that. Please, next slide. We analysed all the fruits [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] and contacted NASA, and uh made some [vocalsound] real good [disfmarker] [speaker001:] MASA? [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yeah. If you can see this, and the stars are showing that [gap]. And um, [vocalsound] s society will accept that. For sure. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] And making some analysis of different fruits, we choose the ultimate form, ultimate colours, and uh ultimate smell of it. S please, next slide. But we still didn't want to go far from our titanium idea, 'cause it's the most of the moder the m the [gap] modern material we can p select. And it's practical. And it's still say it's for our needs, so please press something. And as I said, [vocalsound] it's perfect. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Okay. [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Please press it. [speaker003:] Experience. Explanat [speaker002:] Everyone is [gap] f really uh really glad to obtain an [disfmarker] [vocalsound] s such a r such a device. [speaker004:] Such a nice thing. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] See this [gap]. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] So you can touch it with your hands. [speaker004:] Can I? Ho-ho. [speaker002:] Sure. Yes. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] You can [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [transformerror] [transformerror] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] What do you say? [vocalsound] [speaker002:] N [speaker004:] It says [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] You must say it. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Spongy. [speaker004:] I will uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] One day. [speaker004:] I'll buy it. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] If I if I need so. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] He [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Hopefully my daughter will like it. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Okay. Y and we got the answer. Uh, it is, yes, of course. [speaker004:] Yes, of course. Of c course. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [gap], please next slide. Um, this is a prototype. You can have a look at it, and [disfmarker] That's all I wanted to say. [speaker004:] Ah. [speaker002:] Now it's technical specification by our colleague. [speaker003:] Hmm. [speaker001:] Hmm. [speaker003:] So [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Oh, there is [vocalsound] a button missing. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Okay. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah. This this is really flexible. You can add your buttons. [speaker004:] It's in option. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yeah. So function, mm [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] So, as we discussed, we have to switch on switch off whenever we want. And so, we have buttons and using LCD, or like you can use this [vocalsound] jog wheel and select which ever option on the LCD, and then do on and off. [vocalsound] Then you ha you'll have volume control. So, you you can press these buttons to increase or decrease the volume. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] And we have some LCD controls. Like, m switching the LCD display if you want to use LCD, or you don't want you can just use normal button. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] And we have speech recognition. Here you have microphone, and then it date records your voice, and then it try to recognise. [speaker004:] Hmm. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] And it can also do the action. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] And location finder. And we want to do the location basically using speech recogniser. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] You can just say, where is my remote control. Or uh, you can just give some nickname to your remote control, like Bobby [gap]. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Hey, babe. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Bobby. [vocalsound] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] And then, [vocalsound] it will say hi. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Bob. [vocalsound] Hey Bob. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yeah, hi, and then you can use it. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Okay, that's good. [speaker001:] Hmm. [vocalsound] 'Kay. [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] So, [vocalsound] um our team is now fruits. Mainly strawberry. So, you can [vocalsound] have [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Oh, these are strawberries. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] And then you can see the look LCD and all the switches. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Are colourful. Yeah. [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Material, we want to stick to titanium. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] We will send, we want to [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Fruit smelling spongy titanium. [vocalsound] I didn't know it exist, but that's great. [speaker003:] Yeah, or s [vocalsound] So, we want to have [vocalsound] simple and perfect shapes, like I shown in these phones. You can have your own designs and and you can feel simple designs. [vocalsound] [vocalsound] And you can choose colours on your day for each day, or even many colours. [speaker004:] Ha. [speaker001:] Ho-ho. [speaker004:] You mean we can change the colour uh of th [speaker001:] That's for the LCD or for the titanium? [speaker003:] For the LCD. [speaker004:] Yeah. Yeah okay, for the LCD. [speaker003:] With titanium it's [disfmarker] it is silver. [speaker004:] Tit titanium is [disfmarker] [speaker002:] We are still working on titanium. [speaker001:] Mm-mm. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Uh, okay. [speaker002:] So, r we'll start with LCD. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Mm, yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] You can ask Bob. It's Tuesday. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah, Bob, please. [vocalsound] [gap] Tuesday colour. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Hey, you know you're theme today. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah. Even you can configure your colours for its [disfmarker] the [disfmarker] depending on your mood, or s [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker001:] Hmm. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Black for Sunday. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] And you can have many colours on weekends. Or [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] And w wait, wh what are the strawberries for? [vocalsound] [speaker004:] On the LCD? [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Wh wh [speaker003:] Huh? [speaker004:] Oh. [speaker003:] Ah, these are like sensors. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Of course. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] What do you think? [vocalsound] [speaker002:] That's location sensors. [speaker004:] Strawberry sensors. [vocalsound] Very useful. [speaker001:] Okay. [vocalsound] Strawberries. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] So, [vocalsound] after this meeting we'll propose a party for our success for [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Ah. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Lounge meeting. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] So, if you are vegetarian or you have any options, please let us know. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yeah, and we can just [gap] some strawberry first. Um [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Okay. [vocalsound] Mm-hmm. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Alright. Good. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Oops. [speaker003:] S [speaker004:] So, huh. Interesting. In interesting. Mm mm. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] Uh [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] So, any specific questions for [disfmarker] [speaker001:] we'll see in the financial part if uh [vocalsound] all [vocalsound] [gap] [vocalsound] gets into [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] It makes sense. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Let's make a party first maybe. [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] W Who is the five uh [disfmarker] fifty millions we [vocalsound] first make a party in? [speaker003:] Then we can discuss [disfmarker] We can [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] So uh, this is [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah, then we can have how much for how money is left. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] What a design. [speaker001:] Okay. [vocalsound] Uh, so [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] It's my turn. [speaker001:] Let's uh, yeah, let's see if uh th it's meet the evaluation criterium. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. Let's see if this [disfmarker] Yeah, if you meet [vocalsound] the evaluation criterion. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Oops. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Fudge. [speaker004:] Yeah. So, evaluation please. So. You made a very nice prototype, and um, I think, we now need altogether to try to evaluate it to see if it makes sense to do it, if it fulfils our [disfmarker] what we want to do, and things like that. So mm [disfmarker] [vocalsound] Uh, next slide, please. [vocalsound] As you know, before going and uh creating and producing these strawberry [vocalsound] uh [vocalsound] remote control, it's very important to first verify if it makes sense, if we have a chance to sell it. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker004:] Uh, so we need to evaluate it um, try to do it in a constative way, and as much as we can. To [disfmarker] so what I propose is that we are going to to have this scale from one to seven. One meaning that, ye yes uh it fulfils uh the the criterion, whatever it is. And seven meaning, no it doesn't fulfil at all. And we're all l going to list all the criterion. I'm going to go to that next slide, [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] and together try to evaluate this according to this criterion and from one to seven. And then we are just going to have an average, which will give us the value of our uh remote control. So, maybe we can have a look at the criteria? [speaker003:] Fancy. [speaker004:] So these are the criterion uh I'm [disfmarker] I thought were important. Of course, this can be discussed, but let's let's see, so let's vote. So we have fancy here and we have the scale from one to seven with four in the middle. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] So, [speaker003:] Huh. Yeah, what's is really [disfmarker] [speaker004:] what do you think, is it fancy? [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Uh, it's really [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Uh, I think that fancy, we can say it is fancy. [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] It is very very fancy. Or have you ever seen something like that? [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Oh. I am not the d the only one choosing, yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah, of course. What do you think? [speaker001:] Uh what do you think? [speaker002:] Feel the weight. [speaker004:] Is it [disfmarker] The weight is later. [speaker003:] Yeah. Oh. [speaker002:] Really. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Uh-huh. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Now [vocalsound] we're [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker004:] We're on the fanciness now. I think it's quite fancy. [speaker003:] Yeah, yeah. [speaker004:] It's uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] We can give at least five or six, seven. [speaker001:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah, so [disfmarker] No it's it's one. [speaker001:] It's in the other [gap]. [speaker004:] Yeah, o one means it's, yes, a very fancy and seven mean no at all. [speaker003:] Oh, [gap] Oh. So [disfmarker] Oh, okay. Yeah, okay. Oh, okay. So [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Mm. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] So it's one or two. What do you think? [speaker001:] Two. [speaker003:] M maybe two. [speaker001:] Let's say two, yeah. [speaker004:] Two? Okay. [speaker002:] Two. Two. [speaker004:] So here, two. Up. Then we have uh technology. [speaker003:] Technology. Yeah. Um [disfmarker] [speaker004:] So, what about technology? We have uh we have speech recognition, we have location based [gap], [speaker003:] And we have LCD. [speaker004:] we have LCD. [speaker003:] So you change colours. [speaker001:] Change colour of t [speaker004:] Change colour, I mean that's very [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Useful. [speaker001:] Yeah, [speaker004:] Quite [speaker001:] I think it's a [disfmarker] [speaker004:] d I think it's a one for that, at least. [speaker002:] Yeah, yeah, yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah, yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. Uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] It's silly. [speaker004:] At least a one, yeah. [speaker001:] Mm-mm. [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Robustness, uh-huh. [speaker003:] Uh, still we need to cha [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] So [vocalsound] let's suppose my daughter take it and um [vocalsound] [disfmarker] and through it away. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Um [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Do you think it makes sense that it's going to live again? Uh, maybe not the prototype. [speaker001:] The strawberries [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah, it [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Oh. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Let's try. [vocalsound] [vocalsound] Oh my god. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Maybe strawberry. [speaker004:] Okay, we just lost one strawberry. [speaker002:] No. [speaker004:] So [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Oh. [speaker002:] No. [speaker004:] Not at all? [speaker002:] How can I say this. [speaker003:] Yeah, we can easily plug it. [speaker002:] It's still it's still working, and your daughter got a bonus. [speaker004:] It is [disfmarker] Yeah. [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] A strawberry. [speaker004:] So it's not so bad. [speaker001:] Mm-mm. [speaker004:] I um uh I would say three. [speaker003:] Yeah, yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. But it's too [gap]. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah, that does make sense, yeah? [speaker001:] It's um robust, yeah. [speaker003:] Useful? [speaker004:] Useful. [vocalsound] Well, so the question is does it have uh the minimum requirement of re remote control? [speaker003:] Yeah, [gap] [disfmarker] [speaker004:] So I don't know. These buttons are uh [disfmarker] It not clear. [speaker001:] Oh, yeah, lets me try. [speaker004:] But you have at least uh next produce. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] What is uh next, please? [speaker003:] Yeah, channel. I this is volume control and channel changes. [speaker004:] Uh, it depends on the [disfmarker] [speaker003:] These are the main [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker001:] And you can uh do di two sites? [speaker003:] You [disfmarker] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah, and you can do on LCD using these going to scrolling all the option. [speaker001:] Okay, also. [speaker004:] So but, for instance, because the LCD is not uh touch control, touch screen, you cannot go to channel twenty five directly. [speaker003:] So if you don't want [disfmarker] Yeah, um [disfmarker] yeah. [speaker001:] You can, by using the [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] You can. [speaker004:] Directly. [speaker002:] You go [disfmarker] you [disfmarker] So, the basic mode [disfmarker] [speaker001:] You c push here the the [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] So that's simple. The basic mode is uh you got just two buttons and a jog dial. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] With two buttons, you do this like uh volume up, volume down. [speaker004:] Oh, it's a jog dial, okay. Uh-huh. [speaker003:] And channel. [speaker002:] Or if you go to the site, it's channel up channel down. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker002:] And if you want to make to s twenty-five, you push on this. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] You can select. [speaker002:] You select twenty, you select five. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker002:] That's it. [speaker003:] Yeah mm. [speaker004:] It's much longer than that that being two two five, no? [speaker002:] No. [speaker004:] Don't you think so? May [disfmarker] not [disfmarker] okay, we can go. That's uh [disfmarker] You're right. [speaker003:] Yeah, yeah, yeah. Y you need to like press two and five and [disfmarker] Yeah. [speaker004:] That's [disfmarker] it's less uh [disfmarker] Yeah. But it's it's nice, because people anyway don't go there. But [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah, yeah. Yeah mm. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] So what do you think for it, usefulness? [speaker003:] So, d Yeah, we need to address [disfmarker] we want [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Seems to be useful. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] we only address two main functions here and the other functions will be on LCD. So [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Let me understand well, [speaker003:] so [disfmarker] [speaker001:] because I'm not sure [disfmarker] that's for [disfmarker] that this one are b d uh two dir directional button. [speaker004:] Both. Yeah. Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Up down or left right. Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. Up. [speaker001:] Yeah. And which [disfmarker] what is that? [speaker004:] That [disfmarker] [speaker002:] It's a jog dial for controlling the cursor on the LCD screen. [speaker003:] This is jog wheel. [speaker001:] Okay, okay. It's a kind [disfmarker] Oh, okay okay. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah. Um, [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Like, selecting the menus. [speaker003:] see in LCD, like you will have blocks and you select which one. [speaker004:] Cool. [speaker001:] Oh oh okay, great. [speaker004:] I would say then uh [disfmarker] [gap] [speaker001:] Now it's looks us useful. [speaker004:] Two or three? [speaker003:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Two or three? [speaker003:] Two, maybe. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Two. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker004:] Okay, two. [vocalsound] [vocalsound] So size and weight. [speaker003:] Yeah, yeah. [gap] [speaker004:] Is it the the the effective size and weight that the [disfmarker] Is it uh real size, real weight? Or [disfmarker] Because it [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah, it's [disfmarker] size al almost [gap] [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Size is going to be that, yeah? [speaker003:] Yeah, because it is [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Uh, and and [disfmarker] [speaker003:] The weight will be bit lighter. We will s We use titanium. [speaker002:] Sure, without titanium alloy, it's going to be light. [speaker001:] Mm-mm. [speaker003:] Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. [speaker004:] It's going to be lighter, [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] because this seems to be very heavy f I mean, [speaker002:] Of course. [speaker003:] Heavy. Yeah. [speaker004:] for my daughter, for instance. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Not sure if uh [vocalsound] she can use it. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] But sides [disfmarker] uh, the sides should be okay. [gap]. Yeah [speaker004:] So, should be okay. [speaker003:] mm. [speaker004:] Up to three for that, [speaker001:] Mm-mm. [speaker004:] because I'm [disfmarker] haven't seen the weight so I must not uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Okay. Okay. [speaker003:] Oh. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Colour and shape. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Uh-oh. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Well, so colour, it seems that we have the several colours for the LCD. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] But um, it's not very clear what is the colour of the sh the sh [vocalsound] the case. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker003:] The case is silver titanium, no? [speaker004:] It's a [disfmarker] it's going to be titanium. Okay, okay. [speaker001:] Yeah, it's [gap]. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] That's nice. [speaker001:] Let's imagine. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] I think it's good. Okay. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] And what about the strawberries on the top? [vocalsound] I'm not convince. [speaker004:] Yahoo. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] But maybe I'm not trendy. But, uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Well y you know, it's this uh fruit and vegetable year. [speaker003:] Oh. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah, but uh [vocalsound] uh they're not useful. [speaker004:] So [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] So maybe, I think [disfmarker] [speaker001:] I I mean it [disfmarker] that's uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Uh, I think usefulness is m as as I rem um just have to remind you that usefulness is much less important than fanciness. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yep. [speaker003:] Yeah, well [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Whether it's fancy or not now, it [disfmarker] we have to decide. [speaker003:] Yeah. Um [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Hmm. [speaker004:] But this [speaker001:] I would have m uh i found more fancy that the fruits are useful. [speaker004:] If it's [disfmarker] Uh-huh. So, that they will [disfmarker] that maybe the fruit may be here instead. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah, well then it's bit difficult to use. Not like this d We're just giving the fruit for more fanciness and more attraction, too. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. But the n [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker003:] So, maybe think we can have rubber or some sponges, stuff for strawberries and different colours. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker003:] So it's [disfmarker] [speaker004:] So, it seems we are not so clear on the shape uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Even [disfmarker] [speaker001:] No, [speaker003:] These buttons [disfmarker] [speaker001:] I'm not sure uh why [disfmarker] uh if it was like this [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [gap] But it looks really [vocalsound] not really good. [speaker001:] I It's [gap] n [vocalsound] [speaker003:] I mean, the f [speaker001:] no, it's not fancy any more. [speaker003:] Yeah. So these are kind of rubber things. Even if you lose one you can just put whatever. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] And [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Even we can provide many different colours or different fruits, and [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Uh-huh. And different routes. Okay, I see what [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Moreover, moreover it covers it covers all the end goals. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Even if it is, you know, it's very rounded, but still you got some rubber fruit here, and it's completely uh completely secure to leave it uh with children and that. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Okay, so you you you feel like it's something uh a protection for the remote control. [speaker003:] Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, we've [disfmarker] yeah we have sensors here and so here and here, so we just [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Also. [speaker003:] Yeah, so even if you don't put, it works. But this is really fancy. [gap] [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] I suggested three. [speaker001:] Okay. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Because uh, everybody s doesn't seem to be convince, although it's quite [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Okay. Okay. [speaker004:] You have good arguments. [speaker003:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker004:] But [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Okay. [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] And uh the last one is adaptive. This is not r maybe not as important as the other one, [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] but uh can we adapt it to each each personal use? [speaker002:] Sure, sure, just look at it. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Great. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] It's full adaptable. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Wow, that's a [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Fully adaptable. [speaker002:] Yeah, you can fit it into your palm, you know. [speaker004:] That's [disfmarker] Yeah. [vocalsound] So you can fit into your palm, okay. [speaker001:] Yea [speaker004:] That [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] What else can we need? [speaker003:] You can [disfmarker] [speaker004:] You [disfmarker] Do you think you are gonna be able to do that with ti titanium as well? [speaker003:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah, it's fudge titanium. [vocalsound] You know. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] It's fudge, yeah, yeah. [speaker001:] Right, yeah. [vocalsound] And uh [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Mm, [gap] [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah, fruit titanium, yeah. Well, I if if this is [disfmarker] if you are ready to do that, then I think it deserves a one. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Okay. [vocalsound] Let's go for one. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Now we have to do the average. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Three, three, six, eight, eleven. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Who is good in math? [vocalsound] [speaker002:] It's two point one seven. [speaker004:] Okay. [vocalsound] Two point one seven. That's nice. Two point one seven out of seven. [speaker003:] Hmm. [speaker004:] I think we have a good good thing. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Well, that's all I had to say about the evaluation. So [disfmarker] [speaker001:] So it's a good evaluation. [speaker004:] It seems to be good, yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. Mm. [speaker003:] Yeah mm. [speaker004:] We have uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah, two one one seven, we have. So [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Mm-mm. [speaker004:] Yeah. Okay. Thanks. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Okay. So now, it has to fulfil the [vocalsound] financial criterium? [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Financi [speaker004:] Ah-ha. [speaker001:] So, I have an [disfmarker] Here. Um [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Energy. [speaker004:] So so how many batteries do we need? [speaker003:] Uh, we use bat One battery. [speaker004:] One battery? [speaker003:] Yep. [speaker001:] Okay, so two. [speaker004:] Good. Why two? [speaker003:] Oh, we just need one, I guess. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Say no. No, ne never install. [speaker001:] Uh-huh. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Two batteries or one? [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Oh. [speaker003:] No, number is one. We need only one battery. [speaker004:] Only one. [speaker001:] Yeah yeah, but the price is two. [speaker004:] No, no. But no, no. No, no way. [speaker001:] Oh, number. [speaker002:] No, uh you just [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Sorry sorry sorry. I'm sorry. [speaker003:] Number, number. [speaker002:] Number. Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. Yeah. Oh. [speaker004:] You never use uh Excel? [vocalsound] [speaker001:] No, never. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Good. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] How [disfmarker] What what's the limit? [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] H [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] It's twelve bucks. [speaker002:] Uh, it's it's okay that I don't know, 'cause uh it's not my field. Twelve bucks. [speaker004:] Twelve bucks. [speaker002:] Okay, [speaker004:] Twelve and a half, I think. [speaker002:] now [disfmarker] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] So we [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Check that number also. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Okay. [vocalsound] Okay, electronics. [speaker003:] We have sample chip. [speaker004:] So [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Uh, like simple chip, yeah. [speaker004:] It's a simple chip? Simple chip, okay. [speaker003:] So, yeah. [speaker004:] One. [speaker003:] Yeah. Four buttons at least. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker001:] Okay. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] And then we have the t sample speaker sensor for speech recognition. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] And for the [disfmarker] One also. [speaker004:] One or two? [speaker003:] Yeah, one to one. [speaker004:] One? [speaker003:] Yeah, one. [speaker004:] Okay. So the case, which one uh is it in the end? [speaker003:] Yeah, I think we will go for a single curve, no? [speaker004:] Let's do a single curve. [speaker003:] Oh, is [gap] [disfmarker] [speaker002:] It's it's flat. [speaker004:] It's flat, and curved. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Oh. [vocalsound] Oh, okay. [speaker001:] I thought you can curve [speaker002:] It's flat. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [gap] somebody. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] But it is flat, [speaker004:] It's curvable. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] you [disfmarker] Look. It's curvable, but it's not curved. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Maybe there is a supplement for that [gap], no? [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] It's only [gap] curve? Okay, let's go. [speaker001:] Oh see, I I think [vocalsound] that the the price is this one. [speaker003:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] This [disfmarker] Okay, you d [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah, yeah. Don't chip on me. [speaker004:] We tried, we tried. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Oh. [speaker002:] Oh, okay. [speaker004:] So, what is it? [speaker003:] Titanium. [speaker004:] T titanium? [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker004:] Mm, that's expensive. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Mm-mm. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [vocalsound] But she wanted u the [vocalsound] fudge titanium. [speaker004:] Okay. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah, well [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Let's stick to s titan. [speaker001:] I think it's five, but [disfmarker] [vocalsound] you don't say [gap]. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Special colour? No because uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Well, n Why three? [speaker003:] No, only one, no? [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker002:] Why three? [speaker001:] Oh, sorry. Again, [speaker004:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Um [disfmarker] [speaker001:] I'm [disfmarker] [gap] [disfmarker] See it. Special colour, [speaker003:] Interface. [speaker004:] Oh. [speaker001:] or it's only on the [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yes, in LCD display. Ok [speaker001:] Yeah, but [vocalsound] there is no [vocalsound] colour here. [speaker003:] Yeah, an Yeah. [speaker001:] So I put it here. [speaker003:] Push-button. [speaker004:] So the LCD [disfmarker] [speaker001:] How many push-button? [speaker003:] Scro [speaker001:] Three or two? [speaker003:] Uh, two. [speaker004:] Two. [speaker001:] Is there [disfmarker] The scroll-wheel, okay. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. [vocalsound] It's going to be expensive. [speaker003:] One scroll wheel [vocalsound]. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] One LCD displayed. [speaker001:] Okay. Um [disfmarker] That's that's not [disfmarker] [speaker004:] That's all? No. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] We choose this one, and not this one. [speaker004:] Oh, I think, no it's [disfmarker] Uh, is it a scroll wheel and pe push button, th this centre one? [speaker003:] Yeah, it's cheaper. [speaker001:] Or only a scroll-wheel. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Or only only scroll wheel, okay. [speaker003:] Only scroll wheel. Yeah mm. So [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] You are trying to make make up [disfmarker] [vocalsound] make us up. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] You try to s [vocalsound] No, no, no. [speaker003:] It's already [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Because [vocalsound] how do you do to [vocalsound] y select? [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Ah. [speaker004:] No, but you select with the two d the other two buttons, [speaker003:] Y ye [speaker001:] Yeah, I mean you you go on the location with your scroll wheel [speaker004:] no? That's true. Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] and then you [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Then it automatically [disfmarker] we can just do like you feel, it goes. And it will activate [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Stay longer. Okay. [speaker004:] It should stay. Yeah. [speaker003:] Um, plus, yeah, it's [disfmarker] price is really [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Oops. [vocalsound] Okay, okay. Um [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Special colours, yeah. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] For buttons. [speaker003:] Okay. Yeah, buttons and strawberries. [speaker002:] No, buttons just normal. [speaker003:] Yeah. Special form. [speaker001:] You you have all of these, no? [speaker004:] [vocalsound] She's very hard on this. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Mm maybe n not this one but [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Special colour? Yeah. No. Special material? [speaker003:] Uh, we have titan [speaker002:] That's for buttons. But buttons are standard. [speaker004:] Yeah, buttons are the standard buttons. Yeah. It's only buttons, these. [speaker001:] Yeah, so [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Nothing special. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Okay. So we are at seventeen dot eight. [speaker001:] Not special colours an interest in? [speaker004:] No, the colour is in the LCD. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] And buttons are not colourised? They are m [speaker004:] I no. [speaker003:] Mm, hmm, I think uh because you can just go for a good colours. [speaker004:] We can just use this red. [speaker003:] Yeah, [speaker004:] [vocalsound] It's [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] and uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Boo-hoo. [vocalsound] It's already too expensive. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Apparently. [speaker004:] So what is [disfmarker] Are we supposed to cut things out now? [speaker001:] Yeah. Mm. [speaker004:] Uh, until we get twelve fifty. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. Mm. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Oh. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] So think of what we can cut uh here. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Well, if I look at what is the most expensive things, uh it's the LCD [speaker003:] Sample speaker. [speaker004:] and the speaker. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Apparently, we have to choose one or the other. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Well, as you may know there's some research done in the field of producing energy from mechanical eng, I mean, producing electricity from mechanical energy. So, the point is that when you take device and push the button, you produce enough energy [speaker001:] But you don't need a battery? [speaker002:] to make electricity. Yeah, that you don't need a battery. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] So, it's something like hand dynamo robot. A real high-tech version of it. [speaker004:] So that would [disfmarker] [speaker001:] But um it's like the hand dynamo, no? [speaker003:] Maybe the jog wheel can be like kind of hand [speaker004:] So, but if we select the hand dynamo it's okay, we only [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [gap] is [disfmarker] [speaker004:] We we win one. [speaker002:] Okay, [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] That's already that. [speaker001:] Uh it's a it's a beginning. [speaker004:] Okay, let's do that. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Why not. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] Let's do that. [speaker001:] So [disfmarker] One here and here. [speaker003:] Yeah, just remo [speaker001:] 'Kay. [speaker002:] And I propose to [disfmarker] [speaker003:] S [speaker002:] So uh, about chips. Advanced chip on print, right? [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] So, put minus one there, please. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] I'm not sure if this is legal. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Mm. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Why not? [speaker001:] [vocalsound] That's right. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Uh, no. [speaker002:] And? [speaker004:] And? [speaker001:] M maybe minus uh three, no? [vocalsound] [speaker004:] No. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Okay, let's see. [speaker002:] So, was there result? [speaker003:] No, no. It's not [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Mm-hmm. Mm. [speaker002:] Let's have a look. [speaker003:] It's not changing, no? It [disfmarker] you don't [speaker004:] Yeah, yeah, yeah, [speaker002:] Why? [speaker004:] if [disfmarker] Click somewhere, you'll see features. [speaker002:] Oops. [speaker004:] Yes, it does. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] So [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Maybe put minus two, so it looks uh [vocalsound] more reasonable. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yeah. Why not. [speaker004:] Yeah, anyway [disfmarker] No, [speaker001:] Oh, sorry. [speaker004:] minus two. [speaker002:] Minus. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] Nobody will know. [speaker001:] Mm. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] It's not recorded, is it? [speaker002:] Good. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Okay, we're on time. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Okay. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Good. [speaker003:] So now on, we can increase our [disfmarker] [vocalsound] Still you have two more. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Oh, we can put uh a hand dynamo and a battery if you want. [speaker003:] Maybe we can use it for our party. [speaker002:] And a battery and a battery, yeah. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Oh. [speaker003:] Yeah. Yeah, yeah. [speaker001:] Both its it's cool. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] No, now we are exp exceeding I think. [speaker002:] Now it's fancy, let's add one instead of two. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah, that [disfmarker] [speaker004:] It [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker004:] Is it? [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yeah, yeah y [speaker004:] I think we're exceeding now. We have to remove the [disfmarker] [speaker003:] No, but point five point three. [speaker004:] Uh, it's better. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker004:] I think they are counting uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Is really strict? [speaker001:] Mm. It's maximum [speaker004:] We would prefer, [speaker001:] and don't have to [disfmarker] [speaker004:] yeah. Maximum is maximum. [speaker003:] Oh. [speaker001:] Yeah, yeah. [speaker004:] So, remove one of them. Yeah. [speaker001:] Uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Oh yeah. [speaker004:] Okay. Okay, we're uh on target. [speaker001:] Uh, mm-mm. Yeah. Mm. Okay. Mm. So [vocalsound] target reached. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] I'm just curious to see this [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Ho [vocalsound] [speaker004:] uh [disfmarker] [vocalsound] my [disfmarker] [vocalsound] address chip on print. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] It's um English uh [vocalsound] [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Trick [vocalsound]. [speaker001:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Uh, I would say it's the Russian trick, but [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yeah, [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [disfmarker] Anyway [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] but uh [gap] is uh English. So [disfmarker] [speaker004:] No, they may have some their origins, strange origins [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Mm. [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Oh. Uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Well, I don't know. I don't know. I am not sure who was programming this calculator, you know. 'Cause uh [disfmarker] I wonder if we put A or B somewhere instead of a number. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] No, no, no. [speaker001:] Mm, let's try. [speaker004:] Let's finish this meeting instead. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] And we can discuss all these things in our party. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Okay. [vocalsound] I save it uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] What else? [speaker001:] Okay, so next mm [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] No. This is right. [speaker001:] No, that's yours. Sorry. [speaker004:] Okay, so finance, that's done. [speaker001:] 'Kay. [speaker004:] Are the cost under twelve? [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Mm yeah, very much. [speaker004:] Yes. Project evaluation, good. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Okay. So now [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Next slide. [speaker004:] Project process. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] We have to make um [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Safe uh asse uh safe assessment. [speaker001:] Yeah. Yeah. Mm. See mm how [disfmarker] [vocalsound] Are we a good team? Mm. [speaker004:] Yeah, I think we've listened to everybody. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] Everybody could say what they thought. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker004:] And uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Is there enough room for creativity? [speaker002:] Yeah, yeah. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yeah, yeah. [speaker001:] Mm. And you. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] When we see the results, there is no doubt there [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah, it's really [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Mm. [vocalsound] Oh. [vocalsound] Okay. [vocalsound] Well, project evaluation. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Maybe a lack of leadership? [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker002:] M maybe not, huh? [speaker004:] Team-work, very strong, I would say. [speaker003:] Yeah, our team-work is really strong. [speaker004:] Team-work, no problem. Means. Whiteboard, digital pens. [speaker003:] Oh, we still [gap], I guess. [speaker002:] What was the [disfmarker] Oh yeah, what was good? Everything. [speaker004:] Yeah, [speaker002:] What was bad? [speaker004:] I think white-board is useful. Digital pens, useful. [speaker003:] Hmm. [speaker004:] New ideas found? [speaker001:] [vocalsound] So, you say, is there sheep? [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Luck. [vocalsound] Okay. So luck, but good. [vocalsound] Which imply good uh team performance. [speaker004:] But uh [disfmarker] Yeah, [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] but uh then I I mus [speaker002:] A good leader, you know, a good leader is somewhere in the shade and [gap] [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [gap] [gap] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] That's true. And there's uh one very important point. [speaker003:] Don't really. [speaker004:] We're on time. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] Meetings finish when they have to or even before. [speaker003:] And we also [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Mm. We made [disfmarker] Mm. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] The [disfmarker] for meeting it's uh one of the most important thing. [speaker002:] Of course. Uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Okay. Mm. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Not to waste time, that's important. [speaker004:] Yeah. Yeah, we have other [vocalsound] uh remote controls to create. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Hmm. [speaker002:] We need time f [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Okay. [gap] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Ah, we got new idea, speech recognition, location finding. New materials, new s uh this fancy strawberry design. [speaker001:] A lot of uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] New materials. [speaker004:] Mm. [vocalsound] [gap]. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yeah, [speaker004:] Mm, yeah. [speaker001:] uh new ways of doing financial [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Hey, just wondering if my uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] And new tricks. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] what about the the pink [disfmarker] [vocalsound] the pinkness of that uh [speaker001:] Mm. Mm. They're working on um pink titanium. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [gap]. They are working on a [disfmarker] Okay, good. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Ah, very [gap]. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] I think we are great. [speaker002:] Budget. [speaker004:] There's no no other words for that. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] We are probably the best. [speaker002:] Alright. [speaker001:] Mm yeah. Yeah, [speaker004:] Real Reaction is uh [speaker001:] we're really nice. [speaker004:] [disfmarker] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. Mm. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Finished? [speaker001:] Okay. I think it's [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Ah, celebration. Are the costs within the budget? Of course they are. Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. Uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] How [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Is the project evaluated? Yes, it is. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah, yeah, [speaker002:] Yeah, it is. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] it's [disfmarker] We got two [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Mm. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Good score. [speaker002:] So, we see, we can even forecast. [gap] they propose us like celebration, everything, we could forecast it, right? [speaker004:] To whom? To the whole our company? [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Oh, okay. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] I'm the one, [vocalsound] proposing the celebration. [vocalsound] Of course, [speaker002:] You? [speaker001:] you know I'm the program manager. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] It was you. Okay. [speaker004:] So, let's celebrate. Uh [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] So where we will go now? [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] Ah um, [speaker003:] Uh, ye [speaker004:] [vocalsound] I think the meeting [gap] [disfmarker] [speaker001:] I think it's finish. [speaker003:] Will go to Italian restaurant, or [disfmarker] [speaker004:] The meeting is over at least. [speaker001:] Yeah. Mm. [speaker004:] So, we have to go out. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Ah, okay. We can decide. [speaker001:] Mm-mm. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] And we go to the party. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah, yeah, yeah. [speaker003:] Thank you. [speaker001:] [gap] thank you to you. Mm.

[speaker003:] Uh, making a profit of fifty million Euros. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Alright so twenty five. [speaker004:] Mm 'kay. [speaker003:] So, it's go gonna have to be be pretty damn trendy. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] So yeah, I've [disfmarker] The only the only remote controls I've used usually come with the television, and they're fairly basic. [speaker003:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] So uh [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah, I was thinking that as well, I think the the only ones that I've seen that you buy are the sort of one for all type things [speaker004:] Yeah the universal ones. Yeah. [speaker003:] where they're, yeah. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker003:] So presumably that might be an idea to put into. [speaker001:] But but to sell it for twenty five you need a lot of neat features. For sure. [speaker002:] Slim. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah, yeah. Uh 'cause I mean, what [disfmarker] uh twenty five Euros, that's about I dunno, fifteen Pounds or so? [speaker004:] Mm-hmm, it's about that. [speaker003:] And that's quite a lot for a remote control. [speaker001:] Yeah, yeah. [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Um well my first thoughts would be most remote controls are grey or black. As you said they come with the TV so it's normally just your basic grey black remote control [gap] functions, [speaker003:] Uh-huh. [speaker004:] so maybe we could think about colour? [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] Make [disfmarker] that might make it a bit different from the rest at least. Um, and as you say, we need to have some kind of gimmick, so um I thought maybe something like if you lose it and you can whistle, [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker004:] you know those things? [speaker003:] [vocalsound] The the keyrings, yeah yeah. [speaker004:] Because we always lose our remote control. [speaker001:] Right. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Uh yeah uh, [speaker003:] Okay, that's cool. [speaker002:] being as a Marketing Exper Expert I will like to say like before deciding the cost of this remote control or any other things we must see the market potential for this product like what is the competition in the market? What are the available prices of the other remote controls in the prices? [speaker003:] [gap] Okay. [speaker002:] What speciality other remote controls are having and how complicated it is to use these remote controls as compared to other remote controls available in the market. So before deciding or before finalising this project, we must discuss all these things, [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker002:] like [disfmarker] and apart from this, it should be having a good look also, because people really li uh like to play with it when they are watching movies or playing with [gap] or playing with their CD player, MP three player like any electronic devices. [speaker004:] Mm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] [gap] [speaker002:] They really want to have something good, having a good design in their hands, [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker002:] so, yes, [speaker003:] 'Kay. [speaker002:] all this. [speaker001:] Uh, what do we think a [disfmarker] [speaker003:] So, we're looking for [disfmarker] [gap] 'Kay. [speaker001:] What do we think a good size would be for this? [gap] [speaker003:] We're [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [gap] [speaker003:] Sorry, [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] 'Cause I I know as you add more buttons to the remote it sometimes gets so big and clunky [speaker003:] carry on. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] and there's just like a hundred buttons on it, [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] or you could have a really small slim one but then you could lose it easily. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Then you lose it, yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker004:] Kind of um, maybe more like a PDA kind of, just hand held, like, [speaker003:] For for uh [speaker004:] 'cause [disfmarker] [speaker003:] remember we're trying to make it for twelve Euros fifty. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah. No, I wasn't, no sorry I wasn't thinking of the screen of like a PDA [speaker003:] Okay well right [speaker004:] but [speaker003:] we'll have to um [disfmarker] I'll [disfmarker] we're k having another meeting in half an hour so um [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker003:] we should all look into a bit uh, oh actually, no, we'll allocate. So you do the looking around at other remote controls. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Um, if you could maybe come up with sort of shapes and suggested shades or whatever, and you could look into um [vocalsound] basically how how it's made IE like how you make it all in one, how [disfmarker] what sort of materials are available to you whatever. And obviously, other instructions will come from the personal coach. [speaker001:] Right. [speaker003:] Which will probably just usurp what I said so [disfmarker] [speaker004:] So you want me to look at shapes and everything you said? [speaker003:] Shapes and colours and [disfmarker] um basically how to make it attractive. [speaker004:] Yep. Okay. [speaker003:] Uh. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] [gap] [speaker003:] And you look at competition and design. [speaker002:] Yep. [speaker003:] Cool. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker002:] [gap] [speaker003:] So we have uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [gap] Wait for emails? [speaker002:] Uh. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Um. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Hmm. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Okay, groovy. And no doubt we'll get um [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Oh no, [gap]. Sorry [speaker003:] Sorry. [speaker004:] it's okay. [speaker003:] We'll get um warnings for next meetings as well. [speaker004:] Okay, cool. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Okay. I shall [disfmarker] I can't imagine these [gap] are worth much. [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker002:] Hmm. [speaker003:] Fashion into electronic. Okay.

[speaker004:] [vocalsound] Hello. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [gap] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Dang it. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] And then you have to place your laptop exactly on the marked spot. [speaker004:] Alright. [speaker002:] [gap] [speaker001:] It's important to place your laptop exactly on the marked spot over here. [speaker002:] Okay. No, that's okay. Joost, your mouse. [speaker004:] What? [speaker002:] No mouse needed? [speaker004:] I've got a touch-pad. Do you know how how I can wake it up? [speaker002:] Mm. A touch-pad? [speaker004:] No, my laptop. [speaker002:] Slap it. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] You with your brilliant ideas. I don't know if I can touch the power button. Do you know how how I can wake it up? [speaker002:] Is [disfmarker] [speaker001:] No. Yeah. Try the power button. [speaker004:] Oh. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Come on, move it. [speaker002:] Um [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Now, wake up, bitch. [speaker001:] Huh. [speaker002:] F five. F five [gap]. [speaker003:] I've lost my screen. Uh [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah, so did I. I closed it. [speaker002:] I don't. [speaker004:] That wasn that wasn't very smart, I guess. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Come on. Get back to me. Yes. [speaker003:] Yes. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] I closed the [disfmarker] [speaker004:] I closed it. [speaker002:] You've got your name. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah, my name is name. [speaker004:] No, I didn't restart it, I just closed it. Yes. [speaker002:] Hope it working. [speaker004:] Alright. [speaker003:] No. [speaker002:] Never close your laptop. [speaker001:] Yeah? Everybody's ready? [speaker004:] Great. Thanks. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Great. Well, welcome to the kick-off meeting. I uh forgot to put my name over here, it's uh [vocalsound] it's Martin. Uh, so you all know. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Well, this is the agenda for today. Well, the opening is what I'm doing right now. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Uh, we gonna do some acquaintance acquaintance things. Uh give some um examples of the tool training, project plan discussion and the closing. We have twenty five minutes. Okay, the project aim is to design a new remote control. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Uh, some of the [vocalsound] oje objectives are that is has to be original, trendy, and user-friendly. So now we all know what our [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] goal is. Um, I [disfmarker] oh forget [disfmarker] I forget the whole acquaintance part, but we we all know each other. We all know each other's names. Joost, Guido, Antek. [speaker004:] Yes. [speaker002:] What is your name? [speaker003:] Yes. Antek. [speaker002:] Antek Ahmet. And Joost. [gap] [speaker001:] Okay. I think we uh al already uh been through that part. [speaker002:] Okay. Yeah. [speaker001:] Okay, it consists of uh three levels of design. Uh we begin with the functional design, then we go to the conceptual design and the detailed design. Every uh level of design consists of some individual work, and we uh close it with a meeting. You all received an email with a example of our explanation of what uh the particular level of design uh means to the different uh functions, and uh you p you probably read that already, [speaker004:] Yes. [speaker002:] Yes. [speaker001:] so I don't have to tell you about that. Okay, first we're gonna um uh gonna try some different things with the tools we have over here, so you get acquainted with these uh um uh meeting tools. We have the smart-boards, uh the thes those two boards. This is the presentation boards, wh which one I'm using right now. You can uh um [disfmarker] there's a document folder called um the sh [vocalsound] shared document folder. You can upload your uh documents to that folder and then you can open them over here, so you can do your PowerPoint presentations on this screen. We also have the white-board. Uh, we're gonna skip through th [speaker002:] Can we see the white-board on our laptops? [speaker001:] No, no. Just on the on the screen over there. [speaker002:] No, I saw I saw the file, the smart-board that XBK but [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Oh, no. Probably is, but I don't know if the software is on the laptop [gap]. Is is [disfmarker] if it's mainly a thing for in the meeting, so I don't think it's [disfmarker] I don't know if it's important. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] This an explanation of the smart-boards. There is a tool-bar over here. It's quite simple. You have the the pen function, eraser function. It's like a very simple uh paint application. Uh, we [disfmarker] well, we use the same file during uh the whole day, and uh you can make new sheets by uh by pu puttin pressing on the blank button. It works like this. Oh. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] If pen is selected, yes. Oh, no no. [speaker002:] With that pen? [speaker001:] It's not [disfmarker] But it is pen. It's not working like a pen yet. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] Huh. Huh. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] It's doing some stuff now. [speaker002:] Little bit slower. [speaker001:] So you can use a pen. You can use an eraser. And you can make new uh fi uh new blanks, and you can change uh the line width and the colour of the pen by pressing on forward, which y you have to select pen format. And then select current colour or line width. So, it's quite easy. Uh well, now you're all uh acquainted with the different tools. Right, we're gonna try out the electronic white-boards. Uh, every participant should draw his favourite animal and some of its favourite characteristics, [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] on blank sheets with different colours, with different pen widths. Uh, I'll start off then. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] I'll use this uh same sheet. Alright. Oh, let me think. Different colours. Oh. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Well, I'm gonna draw um a p piranha. Uh, a fish. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] piranha. Okay. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Uh. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Oh. [speaker001:] I'm gonna use some different colour [gap] now. Some [disfmarker] a little white. Looks like a fish. Think it is. Oh. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Oh. [vocalsound] Uh, colour. This is black? I think so. [speaker002:] Yellow [gap] [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Oh. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Oh, this is just uh [vocalsound] useless uh drawings but [disfmarker] Oh teeth. I need teeth. [vocalsound] Well, they're not supposed to be green, or whatever colour this is. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Hmm. [speaker001:] Okay. What was uh [disfmarker] I have su to sum up its favourite characteris [speaker002:] Different. [speaker001:] Well, I like its uh sharp [disfmarker] razor sharp teeth. [vocalsound] Plus, uh the the big uh forehead and uh a small uh, well a small actual face. And I like its overall uh aggressive look and [disfmarker] Well, that's what I like about uh piranha. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] I think that's kind of what uh the intention should be. Well, who wants to be next? [speaker004:] Nobody, I guess. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] I will try. Yeah. I will try. Uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] You go, Guido? Okay. Uh, make a new sheet. Uh, it's by pressing on blank. [speaker002:] Blank? [speaker001:] Yep. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Then pen again? [speaker001:] Yep. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] And uh [disfmarker] so in the format menu you can choose the different uh colours and uh pen widths. [speaker002:] Okay, um [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Format. [speaker002:] [gap] control. Uh [disfmarker] Ah, purple. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Um, I don't know what my uh favourite uh animal is, but the easiest animal I can think is is a bird. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Uh I will [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] You know, I thought of that actually. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] That's my bird. [vocalsound] [vocalsound] Yeah? [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Isn't it quite [disfmarker] it's a little bit light. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Uh, another colour maybe. A red one. A small one. Uh, line width. Two? Three. Oh that's okay. That's another one. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Well, tell us something about uh your favourite characteristics of these uh particular birds. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Ano [vocalsound] Uh [vocalsound] uh [vocalsound] it's a [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Its simplicity. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yeah, it's uh the most simple uh animal I know, I think. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Um, I don't know. Maybe because uh there's there's some s uh free uh maybe in the sky or something like that. [speaker001:] Oh, okay. Okay. [speaker002:] Maybe a little bit. Yeah. I don't know. [speaker001:] Okay. No, uh it's clear. [speaker002:] So [gap] more uh birds? [speaker001:] N no [vocalsound] no. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] We get your point. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [gap] Okay, [vocalsound] okay, [vocalsound] okay. [speaker001:] Okay. Who wants to be next? [speaker004:] Yeah, whatever. I'll go next. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Thanks. I haven't got a favourite animal too, so [disfmarker] [speaker002:] M Pictionary. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Oh. [vocalsound] What should I draw? [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] A cow. [speaker001:] Oh. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Thank you, [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker004:] I'll draw a penguin. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah. [vocalsound] I'll draw a penguin. Whatever. I can't draw, so you can start to laugh already. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] I'll do so. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Whatever. Something like that. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Come on. [speaker002:] Yeah, it's little bit hard. [speaker004:] Mm hmm hmm, orange. [speaker002:] Orange, of course. [speaker004:] Whatever. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Oh, [vocalsound] it's better than your bird. [speaker002:] [gap] Uh yeah. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Everything's better than your bird. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [vocalsound] True. [speaker004:] Whatever. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Hey, it's blue. No. Whatever. Um, I like its ugliness [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] and uh [disfmarker] Yeah, whatever. The way it walks or whatever. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] Your turn. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] 'Kay. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Drawing. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] I'm going to draw a cat. I don't know why, but a cat is a very uh smart animal. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] And you can have them at home. [speaker002:] [gap] [speaker003:] Which is not as the case with uh with bingwings and [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Well, you can have a piranha at home. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Ye yes, [vocalsound] yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Huh. [speaker004:] Or a line. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] A little bit. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] I mean a bird. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Don't mess with my birds, yeah. [speaker003:] It's not very uh [disfmarker] [vocalsound] very good drawn, but you can see a cat from it. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Hmm. It's a handicapped cat. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [gap] cat. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] I don't think uh I don't think uh Darwin would agree with that. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] It's [gap] [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Ah, it's not scared. He's crying but [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [gap]. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] He's crying because it's ugl because of his ugliness. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] What do you like about it then? [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Uh it's i most cats are small. [speaker001:] Oh, okay. [speaker003:] You can handle them. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Okay. Okay. Okay, [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] and then we are uh through the tool training, I guess. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] I wouldn't call it training, but [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Okay, this is uh something about the project finance. The selling price of our remote control is gonna be twenty five Euros. And our profit aim is fifteen million Euros. We're very ambitious on this one. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] The market range is international, so it's gonna be sold world-wide, and the production cost should be a maximum of twelve Euro fifty per remote control. So that's clear. [gap] [disfmarker] Yeah? [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Alright. [speaker001:] Okay, we're now gonna discuss some stuff when [disfmarker] well, we're gonna brainstorm about uh what kind of kemoro romo remote control it's gonna be. Uh, well tell me about your experiences with the remote controls. Do you have uh [disfmarker] know what good experiences with remote controls? Or do they annoy you sometimes? [speaker003:] Yes. [speaker001:] Are they difficult to understand, or maybe they don't interact with different kind of uh equipment very well? [speaker002:] Hmm. [speaker004:] I don't th I don't think the four of us got problems with remote controls, but if you see elderly people, all these buttons, and then they buy new TV because their previous one was stolen or whatever. [speaker001:] Yeah, okay. [speaker002:] Different. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] And then a totally different remote control with with different functions on different places, and half of the functions a are removed, or whatever. Uh, so I think what we need is is a clear uh remote control with uh grouped buttons, you know. All th all the buttons which apply to the text functions in in one uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Different functions of of uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Well, one area or whatever, not like the button to enter text on top of the remote control and the button to um, yeah, to minimise it to this this [vocalsound] [disfmarker] or whatever o o other functions [vocalsound] totally somewhere else. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] I think we should group them. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] And same for the for the volume buttons and the the t [speaker001:] Okay. And uh, is it gonna be a remote control that's um [disfmarker] what it can be used for different kind of equipment, like your TV and your home stereo? [speaker004:] Well I was I was thinking uh since a TV is uh mostly used together with a VCR or DVD player or recorder, and not with a stereo, I think it should be good to include functions for VCRs and DVD players, recorders. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Uh [disfmarker] Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. But uh, the DVD players and home cinema sets often double as stereo hi-fi sets probably. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] It's what, from my experience. [speaker002:] But isn't it [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] I don't know. Hi-fi set is uh not often used uh as I know of in combination with television. [speaker001:] Okay. But we gonna [disfmarker] [speaker002:] It's only for television, I thought. Not [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yes. [speaker001:] Oh, it is only for televis [speaker002:] [gap] I thought it was only for television. So so we probably don't have to have to uh have the functions for DVD player or VCR. [speaker004:] Yes, it is only for television, but uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] So wha what [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Well [disfmarker] [speaker001:] What wha [vocalsound] what uh what document [disfmarker] [speaker004:] well we we're gonna brainstorm about that. If we think it's useful, we do it. [speaker001:] But, where where did it uh [disfmarker] Where did you find that? [speaker002:] Uh, in the email. [speaker001:] Oh, okay. [speaker004:] That's right. It's a television remote control. [speaker002:] I thought it said uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] But I was thinking since it is useful with DVD [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah, television remote control. [speaker003:] Yes, [gap] [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah, but most television remote controls support other functions as well. [speaker003:] Yes, that's uh something extras. [speaker001:] So we can [disfmarker] No, we have to think about that. [speaker002:] True. Yeah. True. [speaker001:] Okay, uh but uh we've gonna put some a uh is is it so user-friendliness, is a is a pri priority in this case, or [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yep. Yeah, also no one's gonna buy it. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah, yeah. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] I guess. [speaker003:] Only the experts. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] True. [speaker001:] Well, this the maybe is uh some aspect of the [disfmarker] uh, or or some point at at which we can excel by making it very useful. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] [gap] [speaker001:] That w Well, then you're you're the usability uh man, so this uh gonna be a very important task for you then. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Oh my God. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] Okay. Well, other ideas? How can we make it trendy or something? Do uh by just sh shape and the look of it? [speaker003:] Uh, to go with to go with fashion and [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Maybe a can opener underneath it? [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] For the bear. Uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] I don't know. Or someth something special, like uh MP three player inside of it, or uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] I I uh, no I think it [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Oh, well then the production costs are gonna be too high probably. [speaker004:] Yeah, way too high. [speaker002:] Uh, I th I think yo we have to keep it simple, to get a whole market. [speaker004:] Yep. [speaker002:] It's international, so we have to use a standard. [speaker001:] Okay. Maybe with different type of fronts or uh [disfmarker] Well, m has to be something [vocalsound] spectacular or uh one which makes it [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Well that's an idea of course, yeah. [speaker001:] We gonna skip back to the goals probably. Uh, [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] original, trendly, and user-friendly [disfmarker] Well, we al also already talked about user-friendliness. [speaker002:] Hmm. [speaker001:] No, well something trendy and original, well that that goes hand in hand I guess. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker001:] When something is original, it tends to be trendy, probably, or we should make it combination of that. 'Kay, so you [vocalsound] [disfmarker] the um technical part of the process is something you're gonna look after for, so you have to think about what kind of uh equipment you want to uh, you know, you want to manage with it. Well, and that's an important part for you then, with gogors regards to the user-friendly part of it. [speaker002:] Use friendly. Yep. [speaker001:] Well, and you uh should look out for what makes it trendy. [vocalsound] Well, you know, y like some special feature. Or some [disfmarker] [gap] Does it does it gets some gadgetness or something. [speaker004:] Yeah. Yes, what the market wishes. [speaker001:] Okay. Well, the closing. Next meeting starts in thirty minutes. Individual, I think so. The the Industrial Designer will w or the working design, of course, we will uh [disfmarker] Already s said that. The User Interface Designer [vocalsound] [disfmarker] is it a User Inter User Interface [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Interface d [speaker004:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] the technical functions design. And the Management Expert of uh [disfmarker] the Marketing Expert. User requirements specifi Well, this one was already clear to us. Specific instructions will be sent to you by your personal coach. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] I don't know how much time we have left. Oh, not many I guess. We started at twelve. [speaker004:] You just got a message. [speaker001:] Oh, and what does it said? [speaker004:] And it said uh five minutes, so we got four and a half. [speaker002:] Oh, I don't [disfmarker] [speaker001:] W Okay, well um [disfmarker] [speaker002:] I didn't get a message. [speaker004:] No. He's the whatever. [speaker002:] Oh, the Project Manager. [speaker003:] Team Leader. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] No, we're uh ahead of schedule then. [speaker004:] Team Leader. [vocalsound] He is the whatever. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah, close it. I'm gonna make some minutes or take some minutes. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yes. [speaker001:] And uh it's it's clear you can put the stuff in the project documents presentations. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] You can all [disfmarker] Or we're all uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Project joc project documents is for showing uh on the white-board. [speaker001:] Yeah. Yeah, but we're all familiar with uh uh Microsoft PowerPoint, are we? [speaker004:] Yeah. Yes. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah, okay. I'm gonna wri uh write some stuff down [speaker004:] Alright. [speaker001:] and then we're ready. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker001:] Or we can leave already [gap] I guess. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker001:] [gap] or uh or sh or should we uh [disfmarker] or is important that we leave at exact uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] No. [speaker004:] No. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] I don't think so. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] I don't think [disfmarker] Oh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yes? [speaker001:] Yes. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Great. [speaker003:] Oh. [speaker001:] We'll see each other in uh thirty minutes. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah. Good luck. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah, good luck. [speaker002:] I will need it. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] I will need it. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound]

[speaker001:] [vocalsound] So let's start our second me meeting on [vocalsound] conceptual design. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] So, as the previous meeting I will be the secretary [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] and we will have three presentations and we'll have to decide on the remote control concept and finally we'll close the decision. So I will first uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] No y you do the minutes first, or? [speaker001:] What? [speaker004:] No? [speaker001:] I I think I will let uh our User Interface Designer speak first, Mister David Jordan. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker003:] Yep. [speaker001:] So, we'll [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] S technical accessoire? [speaker003:] No no no. [speaker001:] Interface? [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] This. [speaker003:] Mm. So uh first I will present the concept of user interface. Um there's three concepts in the user interface. So first one it's a Google controller. The second is a fancy controller. The last one is uh intelligent controller. So there are three concepts in our controller. Um n next I will explain one by one, the first is Google controller. Um, so I want the controller to be easy to use, but with sophisticated functions. So it's a combination of easy to use and um sophisticated functions. Uh this is a first concept of our controller. The second concept is a fancy controller, um so we want give the customers the impression that our controller is very attractive, um they can easy recognise our controller among a lot of products, so so the u the user f the the u user interface should be very very cute, very very g um [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker002:] Mm. A nice one. [speaker003:] attractive. Such like this, there are several uh examples in the slides. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] I'm not sure the one in the middle [vocalsound] is very attractive. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yeah, it's very, you know if you're [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] It's very big, [vocalsound] yeah. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah. It's hard f i it's easy for you to remember it. [vocalsound] Or to recognise it, [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker003:] yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah, why not. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker001:] We'll have big discussion I suppose after that, [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] so. [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker003:] So the last uh concept is intelligent. We want uh we want our controller to be smart, [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker003:] so maybe we should uh use um uh technology, such as speech recognition technology and gesture recognition technology, so we need to have coop some cooperation with some research institute on speech recognition and um gesture recognition. Um With this advanced features we [disfmarker] I think we can attract a lot of user. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker001:] Something else? [speaker003:] No. There [disfmarker] this is the three concepts of our controller. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] I just have one question, [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] because for the intelligent controller, [vocalsound] you said that we can use the voice recognition or the gesture recognition, [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] but as the um expert told us, most of the people want to use the remote control to zap t to zap between channels. [speaker003:] Yeah, so [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Do you think they will be able to use gestures? Because, if they do all the time the same gesture, as you said previously in the last meeting, maybe they will get injuries because of that? [speaker003:] Y [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah. Maybe. [speaker001:] or if you say channel three channel three two three four six five, I think they will be bored after a while. You don't think so? [speaker003:] Uh I think some time it's very uh convenient to use voice interface and gesture interface than use button. [speaker001:] Yeah, sure. [speaker003:] For example, if you cannot find your uh [vocalsound] controller, you can just uh [vocalsound] just just uh speak something such as, yeah, one two. [speaker001:] I [speaker002:] Oh yeah, [vocalsound] that's a good [disfmarker] that's a good point, so. [speaker001:] That's true. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] One and [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah, but suppose you got a cold. You have a mute remote controller. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker003:] So you can use your gesture. That's no problem. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah but how how is [disfmarker] how risky is it to trust like speech recognition or gesture recognition? [speaker001:] Broken arm? [speaker003:] For limited vocabulary speech recognition is very reliable and for s limited vocabulary gesture recognition is also very [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Okay. Okay. [speaker001:] Yeah, but suppose you have a family watching TV, and if they want to use their private remote control in the same time, do you think it will work? Everybody wanting to change channel in the same time? [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yep. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] But this this [disfmarker] but this would never happen anyway. [speaker003:] Yeah, they cannot speak at the same time. [speaker001:] Why? [speaker004:] Yeah [disfmarker] [speaker001:] If you have one brother and one sister and they want to watch their favourite uh TV programme, [speaker004:] Yeah, but the [disfmarker] [speaker001:] so they say oh channel four channel three channel four channel three all the time, [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah but [vocalsound] Yeah [speaker003:] Yeah, it's very interesting. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah but this [disfmarker] [speaker001:] so. [speaker002:] but the same can happen even with it you know this kind of remote control [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] because the [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] I don't think it [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah, but you have the remote control, so maybe you can keep it f with you. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] That's right. [speaker001:] You're not you're not obliged to share it. [speaker004:] Oh, okay, okay, you mean it could be a problem for this kind of stuff. [speaker001:] Yeah, we can [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah, that's that's the advantage of intelligent controller. [speaker001:] yeah. [speaker003:] Even you h you have the controller, I can [vocalsound] I can say channel three, [speaker004:] No. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] It's [disfmarker] it's [gap] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] so it's c come to channel three, [speaker004:] No, but this is disadvant disadvantage. [speaker003:] I don't have to [vocalsound] [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah, I think it's a disadvantage. [speaker003:] It's advantage. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] And mayb maybe we can have the switching mode to pass from you know voice controller to [speaker001:] Yeah, but one other question. [speaker002:] manual controllers, eh. [speaker001:] How how much will it cost? [speaker002:] No, more expensive maybe. [speaker003:] How much? [speaker001:] Yeah. Because I suppose we need to do research to have something working. [speaker003:] No no we we d we we just are use um [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Uh if you if if you use the basic [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Some some efficient. [speaker003:] No no we just um have some cooperation with some research institute, we don't have to do some basic research on this field. [speaker001:] So you think it won't cost an [disfmarker] Not a lot for us? Or? [speaker003:] Yeah, I think it's uh [disfmarker] because uh this technology is uh um for limited wor or limited wor uh lexical recognition, it's very [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah, but uh uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] it's uh [disfmarker] yeah. [speaker004:] But it's it's changing how the remote control is gonna be built. [speaker003:] It's [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Because then you need uh [disfmarker] I mean this doesn't have uh the power to do recognition, for example. [speaker002:] Well y y you have also the language problem, [speaker003:] No it's uh [disfmarker] Even for the f um because the the vocabulary [disfmarker] the [disfmarker] [speaker002:] you know when you [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Mm-mm. [speaker002:] 'Cause it it have to be universal, so. [speaker001:] Yeah. I agree with uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] The vocabulary is very small, so that's not a problem. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah, but there is one problem that uh Baba talked about is the international [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] remote control. We need something that is international. Suppose we're [disfmarker] we want to sell it in France. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] The recognition system will be able to understand French. If you want to go to England, it will be able to understand English, [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] so. [speaker003:] Yeah, the key, the key um the key of our [disfmarker] the key feature of our controller is that it's it has some some um adaptation [speaker004:] Yeah, this could be downloaded by the web maybe, or [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah [speaker003:] mechanism. [speaker002:] but you know. The product [disfmarker] The pro [speaker003:] It's It's it means when you when you sell this controller in China it's can recognise Chinese. It's r if you sell this controller in France it can recognise French. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] It's a very smart, it's a very smart controller maybe [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Mm, okay. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yeah, it's [disfmarker] [speaker001:] And with no increase in the pri production price of the remote control? [speaker002:] Oh yeah yeah yeah yeah. [speaker003:] Because of this product uh this technology has already been developed. [speaker002:] But [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah, [speaker003:] So [disfmarker] [speaker001:] but how will you [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah but the problem is how to s you know if this is a push button controller, you can send this con this remote control everywhere in the world, the same one. [speaker003:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker002:] If you have the language, you have to develop for each country. [speaker003:] Oh n Yeah, yeah tha that's why we have to do language adaptation. [speaker002:] Yeah, but for each country you have to do one, [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] because uh the for example for Se [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Even for each f for even for different family we have to do d yeah we would we have to do adaptation to [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Oh really? [vocalsound] That's [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Oh. [speaker004:] Yeah, but then w [speaker001:] Seems to be quite complex. [speaker004:] Yeah, we have to take care of the twelve Euros [speaker002:] Comple [speaker003:] No, it's not so complex [vocalsound]. [speaker004:] problem. [speaker001:] And what about voice recognition, do we have microphones? And where will be they? Do you think if we're far from television it will work? [speaker003:] No no no it's not [disfmarker] I think that's n that's not a problem because you you don't have to wear a microphone. It it just [disfmarker] the microphone is embedded in the controller. [speaker001:] Yeah, but where is the controller? [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker003:] Where is the controller? [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] It's in your family, in your home. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] No, but then it's it's like this uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah, but we're [disfmarker] here it's uh an object. But here you say you want to use i uh s technology. [speaker003:] Yeah. Yeah you can you can embed it uh microphone here. [speaker002:] A microphone maybe. [speaker001:] Yeah, but wha what is the use of voice or gesture recognition if you have a remote control li like this, if you have an object. If you want to use voice or gesture you need to be free, without any object. [speaker002:] To talk to the to the TV maybe. [speaker001:] You just want to interact with television. [speaker003:] Yeah yeah just [disfmarker] you just put the controller here, then you [speaker002:] I if you say one, he switch to channel, [speaker003:] you use your command [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yeah, [speaker002:] yeah. [speaker003:] and you do s your gesture. [speaker001:] but you can lose it. [speaker003:] No no it's n y [vocalsound] [disfmarker] if you lose it [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] So well for example if it is somewhere in the room if i maybe if it is in the table there you can always say s channel one and the t the remote control gives the order to the TV to switch to channel one. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Okay you [disfmarker] so you can build a kind of black box [speaker002:] Devic [speaker001:] and put it on TV and just to recognize gestures and voice. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. Yeah. Yeah but so you need a camera and you know a microphone [vocalsound] inside your remote control. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Ah. [speaker004:] But you would still have the buttons. Or is it [disfmarker] do you think it should be only voice recognition and gesture recognition? Or you you still have the possibility to use buttons? [speaker003:] think it [disfmarker] we should give the uh flexibility to the user [speaker004:] Okay, [speaker003:] and we think [disfmarker] [speaker004:] so you [disfmarker] [speaker003:] yeah. [speaker004:] yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah, [speaker003:] You can see [disfmarker] they can switch form one modality to another. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker004:] Yeah, I dunno. It's a bit risky risky. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] I think so. [speaker003:] No, that's quite inter quite attractive. [speaker001:] And maybe it will be quite [disfmarker] [speaker002:] But I think that, you know, switching from one country to to another will be a problem, so [disfmarker] although y y [speaker003:] Well, if you do language adaptation, there should be no problem. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah, [speaker002:] Yeah but i i [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Okay. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] I dunno. [speaker003:] We should have confidence in technology. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah, we should. [vocalsound] Uh. [speaker001:] Hmm. So, what do you think? We'll try the controllers you'd prefer. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker004:] What? [speaker001:] Which kind of controller would you prefer to use, you as a remote control user? [speaker004:] If if [disfmarker] I mean, uh I'm sure if the user pays the same price, he's happy to have recognition. [speaker003:] More features, yeah. [speaker004:] But if if if it like doubles uh [speaker002:] Yeah, but [disfmarker] I think he need a control that is very reliable, [speaker004:] no one would would be interested. [speaker002:] so. [speaker001:] So I think it would be better not to do any intelligent controller and to stay with the Google controller or a fancy controller. Maybe try to mix the Google controller and the fancy controller? Hmm? [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker001:] Just want to have something [disfmarker] controller which is in a kind of intelligent controller, easy to use, sophisticated and fancy. [speaker003:] Yeah [speaker001:] You think it's possible? [speaker003:] but if if you stick to um [disfmarker] stick to the first two parts. So what's the difference between our controller with other products in the market? There's no k features of our controller, so is there is there any necessary to design new controller without any breakthrough features? [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker004:] No, I mean [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Would y would you replace your controller with a controller with similar function if you do not have some some function inside it that [disfmarker] [speaker002:] It's not really the [disfmarker] we [speaker004:] Y [speaker002:] we can add for example some function like for browsing in internet, so [disfmarker] or something like that. But uh I think a user need [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yeah, you y that's a fun that's not the function of the controller, that's a function of TV. You can replace your TV with a new TV with internet browsing function, [speaker004:] No, but you need you need new remote controller then. Because if you wanna browse internet or, I don't know, if you wanna type something, [speaker003:] but [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Don't have a [disfmarker] the the [disfmarker] [speaker004:] or [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker002:] Yeah if we can send email from it. [speaker003:] But it's not the [disfmarker] only the problem [disfmarker] only the issue of controller, it's it's also the issue of the TV. [speaker004:] No. No. [speaker002:] Because the p the problem I can see with with the voice or the gesture itself wh what can happen in a family i i for example if [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Cause for example [disfmarker] yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah, but we do we do we we we cannot rely one hundred percent on these features to u to use the controller, [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah, but uh we want so [speaker003:] but with the features of our controller such as you have the feature of voice recognition in your mobile but you seldom use it, your mobile, but you when you choose a new mobile, you choose the one with voice recognition. [speaker004:] Yeah, you wou you would [disfmarker] True. [speaker003:] That's [disfmarker] the feature is not one hundred percent reliable, but it's a feature to distinguish our product from our [disfmarker] from other products. [speaker001:] Yeah, but w we we want something th that works all the time, every day, every hour, for everyone. [speaker002:] Yeah [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah, uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] And for all the person of the family maybe, [speaker003:] Yeah, if if if if you're if you ar if you already have a product it works one hundred percent reliable, would you replace it with another one? [speaker001:] You don't need to tune it. [speaker002:] so, yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah, why not? [speaker004:] I mean, for example the goo y [speaker001:] If it's [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Because you have new [disfmarker] [speaker004:] you say we would we would to have a Google-like controller. [speaker003:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker004:] I don't see how adding speech or gesture recognition would make the remote control look more like Google. Google is [vocalsound] is simple, works fine, [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] so I I guess if can have a remote control that is really basic, simple and works fine, it's already a lot. [speaker003:] Yeah. Oh yes, but there's no big difference between the traditional controller. [speaker004:] Uh thi this [disfmarker] I mean, the user is not only interested in having speech or gesture recognition or [disfmarker] [speaker003:] The [disfmarker] then nn [speaker004:] if he has something that works fine and is really [vocalsound] fancy, looks nice and it's easy easy to use, easy to use. [speaker003:] no. Tha [speaker001:] Not too expensive too. [speaker003:] But the there's there's n there's n not enough motivation for them to replace their old controller with a new one if there's no key feature in the new controller. [speaker004:] See [vocalsound] [disfmarker] That's the problem, [speaker003:] That's the same [disfmarker] yeah. [speaker004:] yeah. I mean, I I know it's more interesting to develop a remote controller with speech and gesture and whatever. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Ye [vocalsound] [speaker004:] But you have to think, the user is the one who gonna buy the product and so. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Okay. So [speaker004:] I mean, that's the point. [speaker001:] let's go to the Industrial Designer. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] Maybe we'll be able to take a decision after that, [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] so. Two? [speaker002:] Yeah, participant two um [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Working? [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yeah, working design, so. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] So I think [disfmarker] [speaker001:] I can [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Can you go to the [vocalsound] next one? I uh [disfmarker] it's not this one. It's uh oth the oth [vocalsound] so I [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] It's the working design. Sorry. [vocalsound] Component design. [speaker001:] It's okay [vocalsound] [speaker002:] So this yeah [disfmarker] so this is the described use [disfmarker] What? [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Are you inst [speaker001:] Uh I think there's something wrong with your [disfmarker] [speaker003:] It did didn't r receive it. Didn't receive it. [speaker001:] Maybe you you record it somewhere else. [speaker002:] I don't think so. [speaker003:] Participant one. Participant one. [speaker001:] Interface concept. No. [speaker004:] Hmm. [speaker001:] Mm mm. [speaker002:] Oh. Maybe I record recorded directly on the [disfmarker] Computer. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Uh. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Dunno. [speaker001:] Nope. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Okay, okay. Yes. [speaker001:] It seems that we have a problem with the [disfmarker] [speaker004:] I dunno if you remember what you had to say or [disfmarker] [speaker002:] I can say it to you without. [speaker001:] Yeah, so [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah, maybe we can first come to [speaker001:] No, I think it will be more interesting to start with uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] uh to Frahan. With Frahan, [speaker004:] I think it's more interesting what he says, [speaker003:] then you can prepare your slides, [speaker004:] okay. [speaker003:] then present it later. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah, exac [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] You will had s some more information in [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] I think it will be interesting after your presentation to have um Baba's presentation. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah, true. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker003:] Okay. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] In fact, I don't know, [speaker001:] So. [speaker002:] I s [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] because i in my presentation I don't have here with [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] so [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Okay, never mind. [speaker002:] It was in fact the design use to show you the design of what is inside a what is inside and what are the different component of the r [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] of the remote control. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker002:] So it will be interesting so I could show you some some picture of what is inside [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker002:] and [disfmarker] so. So I [disfmarker] in fact the the [disfmarker] f something I want to discuss is which kind of material are we going to use, so [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] will [disfmarker] it will be wooden wooden di wooden remote control or a a plastic remote control like this one. So and [vocalsound] in which which which kind will be the the different bu button, [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] so it can be some, you know, classic pushbutton like this one, or you have also some button like LCD where you know, the button the buttons are unlighted during the night, [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] or, you know, you can see them in the darkness. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker002:] And the other thing I want to discuss also is which kind of alimentation, electric alimentation do you want to have, so will it be for example uh d uh solar energy alimentation [speaker003:] Uh-huh. [speaker002:] or will it be a battery like the classical battery so. And I think that for example for the alimentation it would be good to have uh both of them, so so for example in some country where you are in the the countryside and you are far from, you know, the cities uh for example in some place in in S Senegal, so if you have electric if you have solar alimentation, you just, when you want to have recharger or remote control power you just put it on the sun and after one hour you can come [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] and [disfmarker] so it can be interesting for people to have this kind of remote con It can be something interesting to make people buy it, for example. [speaker001:] Yeah, I think it's an added value to the remote control [speaker002:] Yeah. Yeah, yeah mm. [speaker001:] and maybe it can attract all the ecological k yeah consumers [speaker002:] Ecologists, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker001:] and but about the the price of adding this solar battery, would it be something really that will increase the price of production more, [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] no? [speaker002:] Alrigh In fact, having them both will [disfmarker] if we want to have battery, regular battery and and [vocalsound] the solar energy battery it could be [disfmarker] it'll it will add a little bit of the price, [speaker001:] So. [speaker002:] but it will be an added value also that will be compensated, [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] so hmm. [speaker001:] And what tha what about the uh materials? [speaker002:] And the materials, it depends for example you [disfmarker] if you have a wooden material it can be more [disfmarker] the plastic material is more common it's very resistant [speaker001:] Impersonal, mm-hmm. [speaker002:] but, you know, something wooden will be like, I don't know high cl so a special high class, [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Special for [disfmarker] [speaker002:] or you know, you can have some [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Yeah, and i if you [disfmarker] we want to put fashion in electronics maybe we can try to do something with wood. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Yeah, even if it is not completely wood, but just a part of the, you know, will be wooden, in wood [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. Mm. [speaker002:] and it can be interesting. [speaker001:] Mm okay, seems to be interesting, mm. [speaker002:] And so the last point is y also would do you want to have some very cheap integrated cir circuits, chips, or do you have low level or or very very expensive, it depends, but I think that low level will be, you know, it is an interim module. [speaker001:] Yeah, we want something easy to use and [disfmarker] so I think maybe something very low level wou would be enough. [speaker002:] Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. [speaker001:] And you think that we will be [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah, I think it will fit on the price we want, twel twelve Euros, [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] so. [speaker001:] So [speaker002:] [gap] [speaker001:] wood. And what about the buttons? [speaker002:] I think the buttons I pr I prefer, you know, the LCD you know [vocalsound] lighted buttons because, you know, it's [disfmarker] I don't know [vocalsound] um yeah, in the dark, it's fashion [speaker001:] No it's fashion, yeah. [speaker002:] and it's related to how beautiful it is or uh if you want to watch TV in the darkness or if you want to lo find your find your your remote control that is lost, you know in the darkness it's very easy so, right. [speaker004:] What about the touch scr touch screen? For example. It's it's expensive I I guess. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] I think a touch screen [vocalsound] will be t as expensive as the LCD buttons so. [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker002:] But [disfmarker] And it is a kind of other design, I mean. It can also be interesting to have this kind of [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] So you got email? [speaker001:] I dunno. [vocalsound] I think we have only [vocalsound] [vocalsound] uh five minutes left. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker001:] Participant four? Functional requirements? [speaker004:] Uh no, trend watching. [vocalsound] The other one. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] This one? [speaker004:] Yeah. Uh, I think so, just [disfmarker] Yeah, so just to meet the user requirements I would just do a s short anal analysis of the remote control market and to kind of um have a better overview of what's the fashion in general I've checked more than only the remote control market, so next. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] So again, it's pretty much similar to what I've said in the previous meeting. Um user really really want a fancy look and feel. They're not so so interested in uh functional look and feel, okay. Like the one you've shown, David, with all the buttons and [disfmarker] I mean [vocalsound] i i it sounds good technically [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker004:] but it's it's not what they want and uh [disfmarker] So, second point is they still want it it to be technologically innovative, so maybe it's sort of related to what you've said with the speech recognition and so on. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] At the same time, it's important that it's easy to use. So that were the three first points from the remote control uh analysis. [speaker002:] [gap] [speaker004:] Now i if we look at fashion in general um [disfmarker] Okay. Wha what we really see this year is that uh everything from clothes to shoes and furniture is is inspired by fruits and vegetables, okay, [speaker002:] Ah yes. [speaker004:] so I think we really have to take this into account for the design of the the thing. [speaker002:] Yeah, yeah. Okay, yeah. [speaker004:] 'Cause it's it's really what people want. Even if it's in general fashion, we want it to be in the remote control. And then uh if if we take the ordering or the ranking of all the points, fancy look and feel has, on a score of seven would have six as importance. Uh the remote control has to be technologically innovative, it's three. Then easy to use uh it's not so important actually with respect to other y other ones. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker004:] So we see fancy look an look and feel is the most important one, and then if we combine this with the fashion uh from Milan and Paris [speaker002:] And fruit and vegetables yeah. [speaker004:] we go to the fruits and vede vegetables. And the other point I haven't mention is people wan want to have a spongy touch, [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Spongy [vocalsound] 'Kay. [speaker004:] okay so this is this maybe doesn't really fit with the wooden design. [speaker002:] Okay, yeah, yeah. [speaker004:] I dunno. [speaker002:] Yeah, but the problem is which kind of material do you need to to be spongy? [speaker004:] Yeah thi this is this would be like um [speaker002:] Pla [speaker004:] plastic-like, but rubber, mayb maybe, you know, rubber-like uh [speaker002:] S Very stuff [disfmarker] Okay, rubber rubber desi okay, yeah. Yeah. [speaker004:] device, so um [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Okay, tha tha that was the main point, I think, from the trend in fashion. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] So we have to take decisions about the component concepts, about the energy. So, [vocalsound] as you say you want something technologically innovative, [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] maybe using solar energy and [disfmarker] with battery would be something interesting, [speaker002:] Solar. [speaker004:] Yeah, so when I think it's [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] maybe will attract [speaker004:] Mm-hmm [speaker002:] Yeah. It will be a [disfmarker] [speaker001:] pro-ecology consumers. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Uh cheap imprint so you s you propose low level chips would be uh enough to have something working well. [speaker002:] Yeah, I think [vocalsound] [disfmarker] Yeah, yeah. Yeah. [speaker001:] Case. [speaker003:] Later? [vocalsound] [speaker001:] So you think [gap] case. Something spongy. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Someth no wood. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] No wood but [disfmarker] Plastic? [speaker004:] Maybe not no wood, but I mean ma maybe not the part you touching you know. [speaker002:] Would some [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Pla [speaker001:] Maybe you [disfmarker] [speaker002:] I think we can have wood for example in the bottom and, you know. [speaker004:] Yeah, maybe the base. [speaker002:] It depends on the design we want, so. [speaker001:] It's it's natural. [speaker004:] But still y [speaker002:] Yeah, it's natural [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Th The feeling is natural, [speaker002:] and i [speaker001:] so maybe we can stay with wood. [speaker002:] And it can be correlated to energy, solar energy, so for the marketing aspect, you know, saying that it's ecol [speaker004:] Yeah, I mean it's not exactly right for the spongy point of view. [speaker002:] Mm, yeah, it's not right, so. [speaker001:] But it's still fashion. [speaker004:] But we could maybe have both like part of wood and some rubber for the buttons, or [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker004:] I dunno. [speaker001:] Yeah, something that you can [vocalsound] into it. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Uh and what about the user interface concept? [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Google and [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Google and fancy? [speaker002:] and fancy, f how about the the voice? [speaker001:] Because I think that with the voice and gesture recognition there are still some disadvantages with this. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] And [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Uh yes. [speaker002:] Uh maybe we can do some marketing studies asking people if they're interested and how [disfmarker] [vocalsound] It It is an an interesting concept to see [disfmarker] to have uh voice control. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. Yeah. The smart controller. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Mm. Yeah. But [disfmarker] and the problem is I I'm we can infer i if you have v voice control why not to put it directly on the the TV, so speak directly to the TV and you don't need a remote control actually, so. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yeah, but you need a receiver to recognize the gestures and the voice. [speaker002:] But it will be embedded on the TV and not on the remote control, so. [speaker001:] That's true. [speaker004:] Yeah [disfmarker] d [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker004:] I dunno. [speaker001:] So maybe we'll just focus on the Google controller plus the fancy controller, [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker001:] maybe try to mix them these two concepts together, just in one and do a remote control with solar energy and batteries and with lev low level chips and wood. [speaker003:] Yeah. It's good. [speaker001:] And LCD buttons. [speaker002:] Yeah, LCD. [speaker001:] Yeah, I think for these supplements the solar energy would be something quite interesting and not maybe too difficult to add. [speaker002:] Yeah, yeah, yeah. And pf what can we think a supplement to [disfmarker] [speaker004:] What interface? [speaker001:] Yeah, for the interface something [disfmarker] added value. [speaker002:] I think the supplement can be the voice [vocalsound]. It is just, you know, it is not the most important, but it can be a part of [disfmarker] [speaker001:] With a module? You mean the remote control with a mur module if you want you can just use [speaker002:] Yeah, yeah. [speaker001:] commands, words and use them when you don't want to use your fingers. [speaker002:] Yeah. Mm. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] To push button, yeah, yeah. Even it is for s just some kids, you know, switching channels one two three four. [speaker001:] Turning the TV o on o or off. [speaker002:] Yeah, turning [vocalsound] [disfmarker] yeah, yeah. Not very complex commands, but easy commands, so. [speaker001:] So, adding some vocal commands. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Simple ones? [speaker002:] Yeah, simple ones for [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Okay. [vocalsound] So the next meeting will start in thirty meeti minutes [vocalsound] so [vocalsound] we'll [disfmarker] you will all have to work in in your direction. So you will have to work on the look and feel design, to have the easy to use, powerful and fancy remote control with some added value such as the uh simple vocal commands recognition. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yep. Yeah. [speaker001:] Uh you will have to work more, Baba, on the um spongy way to to add spongy um touch to the buttons [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] expensive buttons [gap] [vocalsound] Yeah, to make some new [disfmarker] [speaker001:] and try to find maybe a nice shape for the wooden remote control. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] And I sup I think we'll have to evaluate th the product too. [speaker004:] Yeah, no not forgetting about the fruits and vegetables trends. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Okay, fruits. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] If possible. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] And remember as as I said last meeting, we really have to build a fashion remote control and uh the colour of the um the society will be really [disfmarker] it will be seen in the remote control. [speaker002:] Need it to be, okay. [speaker001:] So you will have [disfmarker] Baba and David Jordan you will have to work together on the prototype [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] and you will have next time to show us um modelling a cl a clay remote control, [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker001:] so you will have to model model something. [speaker003:] Okay. Yep [speaker001:] And I think that some specific instructions will be sent to you by your personal coach. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] So, [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker001:] no more questions, we can close the session. [speaker004:] Hmm. [speaker002:] Sounds good, mm-hmm. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker001:] Yeah. Okay, cool. [speaker003:] Okay.

[speaker001:] Mm-hmm? Okay. Ooh. [speaker003:] [gap] [speaker002:] So we're 'kay? On the [gap] or [disfmarker] No. I dunno where to put it 'cause the [disfmarker] Okay. Could you s take it off? [gap]. [speaker004:] Is that alright? [vocalsound] [gap] or [disfmarker] Okay. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker004:] Keeps coming off. 'S fiddly. [speaker001:] Hmm. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [gap] [speaker004:] Right. [speaker001:] How do we sta wa how do we start? Does anybody know? [speaker004:] Oh, another one. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] So that's this [disfmarker] Oh okay, right. [speaker002:] Are we free to take notes uh [disfmarker] Okay. [speaker001:] Uh [vocalsound] [gap]. [vocalsound] [gap]. Hmm. Okay, just hang on a second everybody. I haven't actually looked at this yet. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Ah. [speaker001:] [gap] um [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Very nice. [speaker001:] I haven't looked at it, but let's just start it off and we'll see what happens. If you're all ready. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] So [gap] is the agenda? Opening, acquaintance, tool training and project plan, discussion and then closing. Project aim is a new remote control. It's original, uh trendy and it's user-friendly. [speaker004:] 'Kay. [speaker001:] Project method, functional design, individual work, another meeting, conceptual design, individual work, and a meeting of details design, individual work and a meeting. Tool training. Try out the whiteboard, every participant should draw their favourite animal and sum up their favourite characteristics of that animal. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker001:] Um. Uh Miss Industrial Designer, would you like to go first? [speaker002:] Okay. So are we supposed to bring the little things for the [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah, why don't you just c, I think just clip on [disfmarker] clip [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [disfmarker] do you have a belt? [speaker004:] Clip [gap]. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] Or put 'em in your pocket, yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [gap] okay. So my favourite animal [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah, what's your favourite animal? [speaker002:] 'Kay um [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Ah. [speaker001:] Is it rude? [speaker004:] It's an elephant. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] That's a very good elephant. [speaker003:] The back end of an elephant. [speaker004:] Oh my gosh, I'm never gonna be able to draw that well. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] 'Kay, and you want to write up on there, it says you've gotta sum up your f f your favourite characteristics of that animal. [speaker002:] Um [vocalsound] okay, it's big, it's got a great memory. [speaker004:] Does it? Oh. [speaker002:] Supposed to have a great memory, we say an elephant never forgets. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker002:] And uh dunno know why but [vocalsound] looks like nice to me. [speaker001:] Okay. Wonderful, well done. [speaker002:] Nice animal. [speaker001:] Do you want to use the wipe [disfmarker] the m the wiper and wipe it off? [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] And Mister aesthetics designer do you wanna go next? [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Aesthetic yep, sure. [speaker004:] I have no idea what my favourite animal is. [speaker003:] 'Kay, my favourite animal, [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] uh let's see. [speaker004:] Oh. It's [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Dunno if any of you have seen Napoleon Dynamite before. It's a liger [vocalsound], [speaker001:] No. [speaker004:] A what? [speaker003:] a combination of a lion and tiger [vocalsound]. [speaker004:] Alright. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Have you not seen Napoleon Dynamite? [speaker004:] How [gap]. [speaker001:] No. [speaker002:] No. [speaker004:] No. [speaker003:] Oh it's a hilarious movie. You have to see it. And and it's best characteristic is it's pretty much the awesomest animal. But you have to see the movie to fully appreciate it. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Okay, well done. [speaker004:] Great. Me? [speaker001:] Yeah. Miss mar Miss Marketing? [speaker004:] Okay. Not quite sure how this is gonna work. [speaker003:] There [gap] go. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Cool. [vocalsound] Uh [vocalsound] well I'll try my best [vocalsound] to draw. Can I just draw the face? [speaker001:] Um yeah, I think you can just draw the face, but then you'll have to describe in writing how the rest of it looks. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Ooh. It's a cat. [speaker001:] That's a very pr pretty cat. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Which also has what? A big fat body and big [disfmarker] and a long tail. [speaker001:] Okay, [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Why? [speaker001:] do y do you wanna do some [disfmarker] write [vocalsound] you wanna just write some words about it? [speaker004:] Because um cuddly. And usually cats are very friendly. Usually. And they're healing as well. They heal. And they can feel when a human's got problems so [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Wow, so they're kinda spiritual. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] So, that's why I like cats. [speaker001:] Well done. [speaker004:] There we are, that's me. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Mm. [speaker001:] Um, I don't actually have a favourite animal, but for the for th for this meeting I'll s draw a little [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Uh. I honestly can't draw for toffee. Uh. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Really? [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Oh that's a [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah. [gap] no [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] A prairie dog? [speaker001:] [gap] no [vocalsound] uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Oh a squirrel? [speaker001:] That's exactly what it is. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Uh not a very good one [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Not bad I would say. [speaker003:] Yeah, that's pretty good. [speaker001:] Okay, well, you got it's a s It's a squirrel, and I like them, because they're cute and stupid. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Very good. [speaker004:] Ah. [speaker003:] Alright. [speaker001:] Right. Okay, so, I guess that was the test to see if this equipment is all working. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Mm. Let's move on to the next page. Okay, project finance, selling price twenty five Euros, profit aim fifty million Euros. [speaker004:] Market range internationally sold. [speaker001:] Yeah. Production cost, ah right it's gotta be [disfmarker] can't cost any more than twelve fifty to make. [speaker004:] Ah right okay. [speaker001:] [gap] experience with with remote control, so talk about who who's used what. Any ideas? Stuff like that. Next meeting starts in thirty minutes. [vocalsound] At quarter to twelve. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] So I think before we close uh, we are expected [disfmarker] I mean the last slide wanted us to maybe discuss longer what our what our ideas where. I mean if you wanna go back to the last slide. Uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] S Yeah, I think we're [disfmarker] I mean before we close the meeting, we're supposed to come up with some ideas for [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Oh k so we're actually supposed to be doing this discussion like right now are we or [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] oh okay. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] I thought this was just t giving us instructions for the re to do next, but [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah, I think this is just the preliminary, get some rough ideas for what our experiences with remote controls have been and and what we would [disfmarker] roughly what we would incorporate into a new one maybe. [speaker001:] Okay. Right, who's got experiences with remote controls then? Pretty much everybody. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah, I think we've all got [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Uh. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Um. [speaker002:] Is this a TV one we are supposed to make? [speaker004:] Yeah. Yeah it's a TV remote control. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] 'Kay um. [speaker004:] Well. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] T [speaker004:] A new remote control for TV. What would I like? [vocalsound] Um. [speaker001:] W what [disfmarker] You want it big do you want it small. [speaker004:] Medium. [speaker001:] Are we are we going for like like telephones are going little teeny tiny things or we are going for something that's that's big and [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Mm. Yeah it seems like there's like [disfmarker] there's sort of a tension between two ideas, I mean, you want you want one remote that maybe can work uh all all of the functions of TV and if you have whatever associated with TV the DVD player, or something like that, [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Video and ts hi-fi and stuff. [speaker003:] but like at the same time you don't wanna really busy remote with a thousand buttons on it or something. [speaker001:] Maybe you [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker001:] yeah now th that's the other thing is it's gotta be cheap. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] 'Cause I I I mean I was thinking something that's got different like maybe a a an LCD display on it that's got different pages for different devices, [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Mm. [speaker001:] but that would p that would probably be quite expensive. [speaker002:] But how do we know how much uh, I mean, how much do we have per [disfmarker] how much? [speaker004:] Twelve fifty. [speaker002:] Twelve fifty. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] It g can't be more than twelve fifty per unit. [speaker004:] Each. [speaker001:] Per unit, yeah. [speaker003:] Cost. [speaker002:] So do we have to be realistic within the budget or [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Well at the moment we could, wa I mean we [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Close pr I don't know how much it would cost. Yeah. [speaker004:] Guess [disfmarker] [speaker001:] 'cause we this is what we th what we're doing at the moment is just saying what what we'd like, and then after we after we've found out what we can like, some different ideas, we can then go and do the research to find out if these [disfmarker] any of these ideas are feasible or not. [speaker002:] Right. [speaker001:] So would be nice to have something that that controls lots of different things. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Um. [speaker004:] Couldn't we have like one that comes out? [vocalsound] Like so you have one in like [disfmarker] mm [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] it doesn't have to be really thick. I mean remote controls can be thin bits. And then you have one for your DVD and you sort of slide it out, and then you have another one, you slide it out. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] 'Kay. [speaker004:] [gap] have slides. And then it all comes compact [speaker001:] Okay, that's [gap]. [speaker004:] into one. So it's not [disfmarker] you actually just putting three or four different remotes together but making them thinner, and um into one basically. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Th that's an idea. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] So you just flip them out. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] Um [gap] have uh one very complicated one on one side with [vocalsound] all the DVD and VCR access and stuff, and then on the other side o [vocalsound] one uh a remote control that would be very very simple with just the channel, program plus and [vocalsound] minus, and the just the mute button, for example. I can real keep it really really simple on one side and the other side be very complicated. [speaker001:] One side for kids, one side for adults. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] I'm not sure if that's like [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah. Or grandma as well, you know it's like [vocalsound] what is the mute button. [speaker003:] I'm not sure if it's a good idea to have a two sided remote though, 'cause it would be very hard to use in the way that you mani manipulate it. [speaker002:] No, but you would slide it into uh someth like something on the back would hold [disfmarker] like you wouldn't be able to press the buttons, but [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Oh. Oh okay. [speaker001:] Like it [gap] or something like a flip telephone, something like that maybe. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah. Okay. [speaker004:] That would be cool. I was thinking that like a flip. [speaker001:] F flip it open and you've got all the buttons, or you flip it closed and you've just got the basic buttons on the outside maybe. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Um, oh we've got five minutes left. [speaker002:] Start breaking up. [speaker004:] Okay. Um. [speaker001:] But [disfmarker] okay. Well we've got a k we've got a few ideas there. [speaker004:] [gap]. [speaker003:] Yeah, we should uh [disfmarker] I guess by the end of this meeting we should have at least a a rough conception [disfmarker] you know [gap] stage one was technical functions design, what effect the apparatus should have. Okay. Um so I mean we still have time in our next meeting to come up with the actual concept for the user interface, but the the functions that we're sure that we want are that it can control the TV, but also devices connected to the to the TV, I mean, be able to operate [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] DVD players, things like that. [speaker001:] I have got [disfmarker] I think we should also have a back-up plan of [disfmarker] I [disfmarker] 'cause I I I just think that it might be expensive to make something that [disfmarker] I mean we don't, we haven't been told it has to be something that will control everything. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] We should have a back-up plan of just a really good television remote control, that just [disfmarker] that is just for a TV, but it's just a really good, nice one. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Okay. Right. [speaker001:] What do you reckon? [speaker003:] Yeah, I mean [gap]. [speaker001:] See 'cause, [gap] I'm just thinking [disfmarker] bearing in mind th we've gotta [disfmarker] we have to have something that's cheap to make. [speaker003:] Yeah, that's true, maybe we should just concentrate on having a a good TV remote, and have it be um [speaker001:] [vocalsound] I think we'll be able to come up with ideas and stuff a lot quicker. [speaker003:] have it be like ergonomic so it's comfortable to use, [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] uh simple to use, and looks decent and [disfmarker] [speaker001:] May w you know, maybe even [disfmarker] [speaker004:] But what'll make it what'll make it interesting for people to buy though? [speaker001:] Or maybe even so something that's for disabled people [speaker004:] I mean if it's if it's just like [disfmarker] [speaker001:] or so people that uh b don't see very well or [disfmarker] big buttons for [disfmarker] touchy buttons for [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Sorta find a niche for our remote, like market it to a certain kind of p kind of people, [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] certain certain demographic [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Or just one that looks really fucking cool. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah, no I think you're right. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Could be really light or, I dunno, something special. [speaker003:] Yeah, rathe rather than focus on [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Otherwise we'll be we'll be here all day talking about [gap] do this let's do that n I think we sh I think we should [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Y [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah, 'cause at the end of the day if it says just TV remote, doesn't say com combination with all all the r [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. I mean obviously everyone [disfmarker] we're uh you know uh sounds like we're all a bit sort of gadget heads and we like things that do everything at once, but you know, that's [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Remotes spinning out from other remotes and having little nested remotes inside. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker001:] Yeah, that's right. Yeah. I mean I'd like one that makes tea as well, but [vocalsound] that's not gonna happen. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] I think a flip up thing, [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] 'cause you always have this problem of like if it's on this [disfmarker] well I did anyway, like we had five or six remotes and they would be lying on the c on the coach, and you'd come and sit down and [disfmarker] ooh, the telephone's [disfmarker] the television switched on or something. So maybe something that like does have a lid or closes, so you don't accidentally press a button or record button for something. [speaker001:] Okay, like a lock f like a lock functs function on it like you have on your telephones, [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] yeah. [speaker004:] But make it like really snazzy and cool [gap] people will want it. So make it [disfmarker] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah, it's gotta be sellable. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah, that's true what you were saying, I mean it doesn't have to have a flip function, it can just have a lock function, so that it's not uh not usable when you don't want it to be usable. [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] And even for kids as well. It's um it's safer for them, I guess. Like they don't flick onto channels and all that sl flick onto. [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] No porn channel for children. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] Okay. Um alright, so we've got some ideas, we've got um [disfmarker] [speaker003:] I guess that's good good for now. [speaker001:] Let's move on. [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker001:] Oops, let's close that. Next meeting, uh okay. [speaker004:] W What does IDVIDNME stand for? [speaker001:] Industrial Designer [speaker004:] Ah ri okay. [speaker001:] um which is [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [gap] these are requirement specification. [speaker002:] That's [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Um. [speaker004:] And I'm marketing. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] Yeah, there you go. [vocalsound] So [gap] [disfmarker] User Interface Designer, that's that's [speaker003:] That's me. Okay. [speaker001:] that's you, so you gotta [gap] you go, you're you're gonna be the one that's working out what what buttons we need. Um. [speaker003:] Right. Right. [speaker001:] Industrial Designer, you are the one [gap], you know, you're gonna be working out kind of box it goes in, I guess so, um whether it's [gap] what goes into the box, somehow. [speaker002:] Mm. Har how it works an [speaker001:] And in marketing [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] These are requirement specification. [speaker002:] Bu [speaker001:] User requirements specifications. [speaker004:] So what the user requires [speaker001:] Yeah, [speaker002:] Do you think our two kind of overlap, because [disfmarker] [speaker004:] in a remote. [speaker001:] what [disfmarker] Right, okay, yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah, it does seem like our our responsibilities have some overlap. [speaker004:] I guess that's what it says. [speaker001:] You two [vocalsound] you two are gonna be just, I think, you just double up, you know, you [disfmarker] working together. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] You're the one that's gotta go and find out [disfmarker] do th do the research, see what people want in a remote, what buttons are used more often, and s stuff like that. [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Oh, we've been warned to finish the meeting now. Okay. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Okay everyone, well done. Good meeting. [speaker003:] Alright, see you in thirty minutes. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] So [vocalsound], do we take these off? [speaker002:] I don't [disfmarker]

[speaker001:] [vocalsound] Okay. Good morning everybody. [speaker003:] Good morning. [speaker001:] Oh, everybody is not ready. [speaker002:] Uh almost. Ready. [speaker001:] Alright. Okay, let's go. So, we're here today to to have our first kick-off meeting about uh this new project we're going to tak to talk about in a few minutes. Um so I will be uh Sebastian the Project Manager. Um you are the [disfmarker] [speaker002:] I'm uh Michael. I'm the user interface designer. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] Hi I'm Guillermo [gap]. I'm the Marketing Expert. [speaker003:] And I am Hemant, the industrial designer. [speaker001:] Okay, very good. Thanks for being here. Um so let's have a look to the the agenda. So, we are going to go through this agenda uh and mainly first to uh [vocalsound] to make [disfmarker] to to be used to the tools uh available in this nice and smart meeting room we have here. Um then we'll go to uh the plans for project and have general discussions about it. So, the goal of this project is to uh developed a new remote control. Um it should be original, trendy, and also user friendly. As usual we will follow the the project method um [vocalsound] that we are using in the [disfmarker] in our company. It is in three step as you know. First the functional design. The second's a conceptual design, and then the detailed design. During each step uh of each design we wi you will work uh s separately, individually on uh your specific tasks and will m we will meet to um to discuss and take decisions about uh what you've you've you did and what uh we will do next. So first, we have to to train ourself with all the um the tools availables in the in this nice meeting room and uh particularly the the white board so uh we are going to go through the white board and take some um s some notes or do some drawings. So who want to start? [speaker002:] Ah well if no one else wants to, yeah. [speaker001:] Mister [gap]. [speaker002:] Okay so, want me to draw my favourite animal. [vocalsound] Let's see. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Well, I don't really have a favourite animal, but um uh I think I have one in mind, so uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] You have one in mind? [speaker002:] [vocalsound] I'm gonna [vocalsound] [gap] about the uh spider because you can actually draw it pretty well in the corner of a white board. The spider has a [disfmarker] spider lives in a web [vocalsound] and uh it has eight legs, and uh it can move all about the web in two dimensions. Unless it's a three dimensional web which y they have sometimes. There are some spiders that live in like [disfmarker] that have like uh kind of a a big ball of a of a web. And uh the other thing is some spiders can actually uh fly like uh they have uh they let out like uh a stream of like the web building material but it's it acts like a parachute so they can actually kind of go and find new uh [disfmarker] build a new web somewhere else. So I think they did this in uh in Charlotte's Web that movie that little uh [disfmarker] well it's actually a book first but uh um at the end all the the spiders kinda flew away. So, that's my animal. [speaker001:] Okay. Th thank you. Very interesting. [vocalsound] Guillermo you want to? [speaker004:] [vocalsound] 'kay [vocalsound] I dunno why, but [vocalsound] when I was a child I I wanted to be a a panther [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] not a pink panther, [speaker003:] But don't you think it's very difficult to draw a panther? [speaker004:] or maybe yes. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] It would be very funny for us. [speaker004:] Uh yeah yeah. [speaker003:] So bad I don't like it. [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Oh. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Okay it's a friendly panther. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Maybe it's happy 'cause it just ate someone. [speaker004:] Yeah maybe [vocalsound]. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Um. Actually, honestly I I I dunno what's what's his it's be behaviour, I dunno if if it's the male who who hunts or it's the female uh, I I I have watched that lions di didn't hunt it's the the female lions who who hunt, so [disfmarker] but [vocalsound] I like it because it's fast, and it's black as well, so it can he [disfmarker] it can hide itself very easily and it's it's [disfmarker] it looks like um [vocalsound] powerful, strong, uh I dunno. I I watch a a film about a black panther when I was a child and [vocalsound] I was in that age when everything was shocking me a lot. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Okay. Thank you. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker001:] Hemant. [speaker003:] Um sure. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] So you don't like pink panthers? [vocalsound] [speaker004:] I like it [vocalsound]. [speaker001:] [gap] [gap] [speaker003:] Oh yeah. Thanks. This lapel is coming out once in a while. It's not very strong. Okay. So, not the favourite animal, but I think I'll draw elephant. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] I'll try to draw elephant [vocalsound]. It's a problem. Okay, thanks. Okay so, elephant goes like this, [gap] and then it has four feet [vocalsound]. I don't know whether there's any dist there should be any distance or not, but I think this is the easiest. And then we have it's trunk. And yep something like this [vocalsound]. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] An eye, cute [vocalsound]. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah, so [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Poor elephant [vocalsound]. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] and sometimes they have a hump. It seems that uh elephants are pretty friendly and they they have one very important way [disfmarker] a different way of walking. So when they walk, wherever they are going to put their first feet, the second feet will always be. When they'll come to that position the second, the third feet will be there. That's the way they walk. And that's very peculiar about them. None of the other animals walk like this. And they are very useful to human beings. At least few few hundred years ago when there was no means of transportations or something, or when they had to carry huge um loads from one place to another, elephants were very useful. And they are found in um usually the warm countries. And um they are the biggest terrestrial animal. That's what I know about them. So, that's what I wanted to tell about elephants. [speaker002:] So is this uh an Indian or an African elephant, 'cause you haven't drawn the ears? [speaker003:] There are two kind of uh yeah, they are very different, Indian and African elephants. So Indian elephant is having one bump, I think, and the African have two. And then there's a difference in the trunk of the animals, these elephants who are Indian and [disfmarker] So at some [disfmarker] for some elephants it's [disfmarker] the trunk is having one [disfmarker] Do we have some message there? [speaker001:] Yes. We have to [disfmarker] I have to catch you, [speaker003:] Wind up [speaker001:] sorry. [speaker003:] Okay, some other time. [speaker001:] We have to to go through the meeting. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker003:] Thank you. [speaker001:] Thank you [vocalsound]. [speaker002:] We can discuss that off-line. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah we'll discuss a f a fly or do [disfmarker] we'll do another meeting abo on elephants. [speaker003:] Thanks. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] So [vocalsound] so another important part of the project is about money, uh and about [disfmarker] so about finances. So [vocalsound] we should target selling price of twenty-five Euro for this remote control and uh we have um [vocalsound] [disfmarker] which which would generate a profit of of um [vocalsound] fifty million Euros, okay. And we should target the inter an international market. [speaker002:] So could I just ask one question, um is this a stand-alone unit that we're gonna be selling? So it's gonna be you already have a TV but you're buying an extra remote control for it or something? [speaker001:] O this is the [vocalsound] next topic we have to discuss exactly, [speaker002:] Okay, alright. [speaker001:] so let's go to it. So um we should decide which kind of remote control we want to uh we want to uh we want to go. Should be should should it be um specific remote control to some specific device? Should it be a universal one? And uh etcetera. So um [vocalsound] so I'm waiting for your for your inputs very quickly because we have only three three minutes to go. [speaker002:] Okay well, so, it seems the the first thing that they've kinda specified is the price like based on how much profit we wanna make, which seems to [disfmarker] a kind of a little strange if we don't know what the the product is yet, but I guess if that's [disfmarker] if that's the requirement that we need to to design the the product to actually fit that that price bracket so, I guess we're gonna need to find out what's actually [disfmarker] you know, what people ar are willing to pay for [disfmarker] um what kind of product they're expecting for twenty-five Euro [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] because it seems quite a lot for a remote control, so it's [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Okay I think this is more a job to our [speaker003:] Marketing person. [speaker001:] market person yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] So it should be the topic of maybe of the next meeting just to to have an overview of this and uh in which direction we should go. So we need to close the meeting. Uh we'll have a new meeting soon and uh so [gap] the work every every of you ha have t d to do. So um you have to work on the on the working design, you have to uh work on the technical functions, and uh you have to work on us user requirements specs, alright? [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Um you will receive some information by emails, i as usual. Thanks for coming today. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker003:] Thanks. [speaker001:] Thanks. [speaker002:] Alright.

[speaker001:] Okay. Hi everybody and welcome to our kick-off meeting um for our new product that we're gonna be designing. Um I'm Mandy and I'm the Project Manager. And I know all your names again, Courtney, Fenella and Amber. [speaker004:] Yep. [speaker002:] Yep. [speaker001:] Alright. Okay, so first let's go through this PowerPoint. I wonder what button I press? [speaker003:] Just do it on the [gap] arrow. [speaker002:] [gap] [speaker001:] Yeah, or how about I just click? Okay, here is our agenda for this meeting. Um we're gonna start with our opening which was our introductions. [vocalsound] We're gonna get to know each other a little bit better. Um tool training, we're going to, I guess, figure out what to do on this project with our individual roles. Um we're gonna make a project plan and then have some time for discussion and close up the meeting. Okay, here is our project. We're gonna make a new remote control that's um original, trendy and also user-friendly. And how we are going to do it is each of us is going to um [disfmarker] We're gonna have [disfmarker] discuss the functional design first, [vocalsound] how is it gonna be used, what's the actual goal here, it has to operate TV, blah blah blah. And we're going to do individual work on that and then meet. Same thing with conceptual design. Just the basic overview of the project and then we're going to do individual work, meet. That's pretty much the the whole process for today. And then the detailed design, just more in-depth, get the actual schematics of the remote. Okay. Alright. First we're gonna start off by using our tools. And the whiteboard thing, do you guys wanna give that a try even though the ink wasn't working or do you wanna do it on here. [speaker002:] I think we should forgo the whiteboard since we can't actually see what we're writing. [speaker004:] We could [disfmarker] Yeah, we could on here. [speaker001:] Alright, let's go forward then. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Um right now so we're all gonna draw our favourite animal and then sum up our favourite characteristics of that animal. Even if you are not a good drawer like me. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Alright. [speaker002:] Artistic skills, nil. [speaker003:] Fine. [speaker001:] Um. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Oh, thanks. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Bless you. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] I draw like I'm in grade five. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Oh do I. [vocalsound] 'Kay, about one more minute. [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Okay. And who would like to start us off? [speaker004:] I'll go. [speaker001:] Alright. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Um this is my picture. I drew fish [disfmarker] [vocalsound] I like fish, because uh, you know, their whole water-vascular system thing. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] It's pretty cool, and um they've got a pretty good habitat and they are pretty sometimes, sometimes vicious but that's okay. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Only if they're piranhas. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah, they they're easy, you know. Yeah. [speaker001:] Alright. Who wants to go next? [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] I'll go. I drew a kitty. It's pretty much impossible to tell that's a cat, but I love cats. [speaker004:] No I I see it. [speaker003:] No, I kne I knew. [speaker001:] No, it looks like a cat. [speaker004:] Yeah, it does look like a cat. [speaker002:] I love cats because they're independent, uh they pretty much know what they want, they get it, they move on. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] I love cats, too. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] I'm a cat person. [speaker004:] I'm allergic to cats. [speaker003:] Ah. [speaker001:] Uh. [speaker002:] I'm allergic to cats, too. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Oh, okay. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] If you're around one [disfmarker] [speaker003:] In my next life. [speaker001:] I had a roommate who was um allergic, but if she was around my cat forever she became used to it, you know, [speaker004:] Yeah, yeah, if you're around them for a long period of time [disfmarker] [speaker001:] it's weird. [speaker002:] I still can't sleep with them in my room. [speaker001:] Okay. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Oh, yeah, this summer I, oh I had to live with cats. It was crazy. Yeah. [speaker001:] Okay, Fenella? [speaker003:] Um, I drew a badger. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Cool. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yay. [speaker001:] Badger. Good choice. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Well, yeah. [speaker001:] Why a badger? [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Uh I dunno, they're grumpy and nocturnal and [vocalsound] [gap] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Are you trying to suggest something? [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Well, a little bit like the [disfmarker] Yes. Um. [vocalsound] And then, if you know Wind in the Willows [gap] badger. [speaker004:] Oh, okay. [speaker003:] Yeah and then uh I don't know if you know Brian [gap]. He's Liverpudlian writer. [speaker001:] Alright. [speaker003:] Um [gap], that kind of books. Badgers are cool in that one too. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Okay. And I'm last. 'Kay. Look at my sad sad giraffe. [speaker004:] No, that's good. [speaker001:] No, no, no, it ends up looking like some kind of a dinosaur, but whatever. I don't know even much about giraffes, but I just love the way they look. They're just such odd creatures, you know. I I like that they're so unique and individual, I guess. I don't know much about their behaviour or anything, though. Only seen a couple in zoos. [speaker004:] You don't really have to, I mean, if you like 'em [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah, but you can appreciate the way they look. Okay. Alright. Guess we're getting straight back into business here. [speaker003:] [gap] [speaker001:] Um the selling price for our remote is going to be twenty-five Euro, and our profit aim is fifty million Euro. We're going to make this an international product marketed in the States, in Europe, in Asia. And um our production cost to make that profit is gonna be a max of twelve fifty Euro per remote. Okay. So we're gonna talk for a little while. Um here are some topics that we might be able to discuss. Expe our experiences with remote controls um, our first ideas about this new remote, anything that you can bring to the table for this project. So. [speaker003:] Now? [speaker001:] Yeah. You wanna start us off? Anybody have anything to offer? [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Well, we wanna make a multifunctional remote, right? [speaker001:] Right. [speaker002:] One remote for everything. [speaker003:] And everything being [disfmarker] Wait, we have what, sound system, TV, DVD, VHS, uh TiVo? [speaker004:] Right. [speaker002:] Um. I think they'll be phasing VHS out shortly. [speaker004:] Yeah, TiVo. [speaker001:] TiVo. [speaker003:] But it's still there, so [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker003:] if po if we're gonna do it [disfmarker] [speaker004:] It needs to be compatible 'cause universal remote controls are never universal. [speaker001:] They're never universal. That's right. Esp e especially if you buy a a not big product, DVD player, say, usually it doesn't work if it's not one of the [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Or if it's not like a Sony, if it's like a [disfmarker] I don't know. [speaker001:] Yeah. Yeah. Something from Sam's club. [speaker002:] So we'll have to figure it how to cover all the different variances in signals. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] And what we need an insanely good instruction booklet, because you always have to reconfigure all your contraptions to go with the remote anyways. [speaker001:] Yeah. 'Kay, and um another thing that I think is important is the d the design of the product, how it feels in your hand. If it's just flat and kind of boring th those don't [disfmarker] Nobody wants to buy those any more. They want the ergonomic ones. [speaker004:] They want like the flashy lights. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Oh like this came from Las Vegas. [speaker001:] Ones that ones that look high-tech, too. [speaker003:] But at the same time are simple. [speaker004:] Mm yeah. [speaker001:] Right. So that people like my mother can use it. [speaker002:] What about something with the curvature like that matches the curvature of a hand? [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] 'Kay. Anybody have any experiences with remote controls that they can remember that [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Just bad ones. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah [gap]. [vocalsound] That's true. [speaker003:] Um. [speaker002:] What kinda battery would we want to use? Because battery changing is usually [disfmarker] [speaker003:] D Double A. [speaker004:] Double A. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] Do some of them use triple As though? [speaker004:] Yeah some use triple As. [speaker003:] Some but [disfmarker] [speaker004:] So double or triple? [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] Yeah, I guess then it's [disfmarker] If we need to do triple A we can, but most people usually have double As around. [speaker001:] Okay. Yeah. But that has to do with the size of it too. [speaker003:] Right. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Well, w as long as we know that issue is [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah, if we want it to be more thin, then we'd probably wanna go with a triple A. [speaker001:] Here we can [disfmarker] Triple A. [speaker002:] Can you [gap] with a small lithium battery? [speaker001:] But it's okay, we don't have to decide about it now, just as long as we remember battery type and size is important. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Hey. Anything else? Alright. Moving along. Oh, we're closing the meeting. Next meeting is gonna start in thirty minutes. Here's what we're going to do. Um the ID, which is who? Okay, you're going to think about the working design. What do you think that means? [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Okay. And UID, the technical fun functions design, [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] making sure it does everything that we need the remote to do, the functionality of it, operating all those different things. Okay. And the marketing person, that's Courtney, is going to do the user requirements specification. I guess that means specifying um what exactly the user is going to be looking for. Right? [speaker004:] Right. [speaker001:] I would think so. Okay. And you're gonna get more specific instructions emailed to you in just a little while. Okay, so does anybody have anything they wanna say before we close the meeting? Okay. This meeting is officially over.

[speaker001:] Is everyone ready to start? [speaker002:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yes. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Okay. Great. Well, welcome to the third meeting of conceptual design. I'll just get the PowerPoint presentation up and running. Okay. Um, on the agenda for this, um, for this particular meeting, we'll have your three presentations on what you've done since our last meeting, after we came up with um some general ideas of our design. And, um, then we have to make some key decisions on, on our remote control concept, and how we're gonna make it, what uh materials we're gonna use, and that sort of thing. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] The meeting will be forty minutes long. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] And um we will once again have Poppy as our first presenter. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker001:] Alright, and I will switch up PowerPoint. [speaker002:] Thank you. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] Should be just loading. [vocalsound] Okay. Oh, although I can't see it on my screen. That says go here. Okay. I've been doing some research into the different components that we could use, um what's available to us f to actually make the remote control. Um, first of all we have to look at how the remote control is actually made, and what is it happens inside the casing, which is more your field. Um, thes main internal feature is a circuit board, which contains all the elec electronics and also the contacts with the power source. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Which is not necessarily a battery, as we're about to see. Um, there are several components of, um, the circuit board that we need to consider, where we'll be getting them from, what they'll be made of. Um, including the integrated circuit, which is also known as the chip. Which is where all the main information is uh contained. Um, diodes, transistors, resonators, resistors, and capacit capacitors all need to be considered as well. Um, and all their positioning in the circuit. [speaker001:] Um [disfmarker] Are they all included, like mandatorily, or r are these different options? [speaker002:] Uh, these, they're all different options, they're all separate, apart from the chip, which we will probable decide whether we buy a simple, a regular, advanced. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] We can go into that later. Um, all the other things are individual components that we'd have to get in separately, and work out the most, like, effective um circuit, including all the wires and everything like that. And the LED of course, that's a light emitting diode. So, we could, so we've got flex flexibility with colours and things, with that as well. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker002:] Okay, there are lots of different possibilities for the energy source. We could use a basic battery, but that brings with it, like they need to be recharged and the bulk, the size of it as well. And they're not so great to dispose of, environmentally. [vocalsound] There's a hand-powered dynamo which is a sort of thing that was used for torches fifty years ago. A bit out of date. Kinetic energy is something that's been recently developed. [speaker001:] Um [disfmarker] What is a hand-powered dynamo? [speaker002:] Um, where you manually charge up the power. Like you wind up something. [speaker001:] Just every, every once in a while? [speaker002:] Sorry? [speaker001:] Just every once in a while or constantly? [speaker002:] Yeah. Every once in a while I think But it's [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Alright. It'd be kind of strange to always be cranking it I think. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. It would be like going a step back in time. I don't think it would really be with kind of cutting edge technology. [speaker001:] No. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Whereas kinetic energy is a new idea that's being used by some watches and other devices, where you just shake the device and it gives it power. I mean, the kinetic energy is transformed into power to make the circuit work. Um, or there's solar power, which we've been considering inside a building, which is where it's gonna be used, might not be quite so useful. [speaker001:] Right. [speaker002:] But, good to look into, renewable energy, always the way. Um, lots of considerations for the case, like what sort of shape it would be, curved or flat. That's got a lot to do with the ergonomics. Like how it's comfortable and s sits in the hand. We don't want something that's huge and you can't pick up. Or too small. Or too slidy. I know I've had a remote control before which you couldn't tell which was the front and the back, [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] 'cause it had so many buttons on, and the shape was so symmetrical that I'd be pressing like a volume button instead of the on button. [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker002:] Because you can't really see which way round it is. [speaker001:] Right. [speaker002:] Um, we also can choose what materials [disfmarker] um, the [disfmarker] we could use metal, we could use rubber which might be more um ideal for the anti-RSI. It's like the same sort of rubber that's used in stress balls and things like that, so it's very like soft, not so stressful on your hands. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Wood. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Um, again, stepping back in time again there. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] I don't think that's quite up to date with what we're looking for here. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Um, titanium is not gonna be possible, even though it just it beyond our budget really. But, would've been maybe for future projects. Um right our choice for buttons as well. We've developed some [disfmarker] we've got some good advances in technology, with our research team have found some uh new multiple um option scroll buttons. I think that was brought up for, um, [disfmarker] they're basically quite a flexible design, modern, you don't have to use individual buttons. You can just slide up and down. I'm sure we're all quite familiar with those on mobiles or computer laptop pads. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. Um one thing with the scroll buttons though. It, it [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] we would have to have an LCD um [speaker002:] Yeah. That's true. [speaker001:] display, and the glow in the dark thing might be difficult. [speaker002:] And that would lead to an advanced [disfmarker] yeah. If we have [disfmarker] yeah. We're going on to that later with the advanc with the LCD that means we'd need a really advanced chip. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] And it's unlikely that that's gonna be in our budget. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Um, also we've got the integrated pushbutton, which is what we're most familiar with. It's the most straightforward. But you can in like incorporate that with a scroll button as well. [gap]. Got decisions to make there. And this is what I was just saying before. Linked in the different [disfmarker] depends on what type of buttons we have and the inputs. Um simple would go with the pushbutton. Um, regular you could link with the scroll button. And the advanced we'd have to go with a LCD s display. [speaker001:] Right. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] My personal preferences? I think we could go for the kinetic energy source. I don't, I think that's quite um an advanced kind of technology. It's not been seen before, so it could be quite a, a novelty factor, attractive as well. And also energy saving 'cause you're producing the energy, you don't need an external sort of battery supply or solar panels. You just give it a shake. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Sounds brilliant to me. Rubber casing I thing would probably the best, if we're going for the anti-RSI and like more choice with um aesthetics. [speaker001:] Uh. [speaker002:] Like it could be pretty much any colour we want. Um, and gives you, yeah, more flexibility there. And probably the regular chip as opposed to the simple, [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] then we could possibly have the scroll and the push, but no LCD, 'cause we probably can't afford that one. [speaker001:] Yeah. Um, one concern with the rubber casing is that it would be rubber encapsulating all of these [vocalsound] chips and diodes and delicate technology as [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] like as the exterior. This is the one thing that's protecting its innards. [speaker002:] I think that would, uh there would be an in sort of more internal casing. And the rubber would just be the, what's in contact with the human. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker001:] Another thing is it might be more difficult [disfmarker] if it's a rubber exterior [gap] talking about putting on interchangeable plates. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Um, is it [disfmarker] I don't see how a like a rubber plate going on top it would stay there. Like if it was sort of like a clip-on plastic plate. It would work that way. [speaker002:] Maybe if the, um, if it was just kind of a, more of a rubber coating which was on to a case. [speaker003:] W [speaker002:] So, it was kind of, the whole thing would be removable. [speaker003:] Like plastic with rubber, kind of on top [speaker002:] Yeah. Like [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] I can't think of what. [speaker003:] Well, there's, there is a certain phone that has like a rubber casing, [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] b like a Nokia it is. [speaker002:] Or like an [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] you can get sort of outer casing for iPods and something, that's just [disfmarker] it's protective as well. [speaker003:] It's [disfmarker] yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Like the skin? Yeah. [speaker002:] It, it stops it, I mean, it would reduce the impact if it was dropped or something, as well, 'cause it wouldn't damage itself so easily. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Alright. [speaker002:] I think i maybe a mixture of both there, maybe. [speaker001:] So maybe the [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] So the actual remote would be hard plastic and the casings rubber. [speaker002:] And then [disfmarker] yeah. Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Okay. And the buttons obviously are rubber. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] That sounds good. I, um, is it possible to put designs onto this type of rubber? [speaker002:] As far as I know. It should be. [speaker001:] Okay, [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] we'll just say yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yes, just why not. [speaker002:] Yeah, yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Alright. I like the kinetic energy source idea. [speaker002:] Yeah. I thought that was [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Um, I don't know when people will, um, be moving a remote around a lot. [speaker003:] Yeah, tha [speaker001:] But I think that it's worth it, kinetety, kinetic um [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] energy source. It could make an we could have any kind of style. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] It wouldn't be as heavy or bulky, and [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. Just for environmental reasons. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] I guess it's a bit scary 'cause it hasn't been done before. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] So it seems [disfmarker] we'd have to do more research on it. Or I dunno if you could have a battery pack. [speaker002:] Yeah. Like as a backup for something. [speaker003:] Backup. [speaker004:] Yeah [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] so there's there is a one battery, because most remotes use two batteries I believe. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] So, if it was running off of one battery as a [disfmarker] [speaker003:] That would be good yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. Some alternative just in case something went wrong. [speaker004:] Right. [speaker003:] Maybe we could [disfmarker] you were saying about um solar power ma maybe not working indoors, but a lot of calculators, yeah, have solar power. [speaker002:] That's true. I just thought of that [gap]. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker003:] So maybe that could be incorporated as [disfmarker] [speaker002:] May maybe that could be the backup. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Instead of a battery. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Although it needs some light, [speaker002:] Like solar backup. [speaker004:] doesn't it? [speaker002:] Yeah. I suppose [speaker003:] Do, do those calculators [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah, you can watch a TV in the dark then. [speaker004:] So, if we're doing [disfmarker] [speaker002:] s but some [disfmarker] [speaker003:] yeah. [speaker004:] yeah. If we're [disfmarker] [speaker002:] But thing is, it's not [disfmarker] you don't need the solar all the time. [speaker003:] I don't know how it works. [speaker002:] It can be stored. It can be like [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] you can have the solar energy and then it can store that energy and use it. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] It just needs to be in light for a certain amount of time per day. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Like a few hours a day. [gap]. [speaker001:] Yeah. I think that might be a little impractical though. [speaker004:] Yeah. I think sometimes it's just shoved under, under a cushion, and [disfmarker] yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] That's true. It could easily [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Like people don't wanna have to worry about that. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] I suppose it would be really annoying if you get to think, oh no, I forgot to charge my remote today. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Like if the kinetic thing, I think what's best about that is that it's instant energy. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] You don't have to, you know, you can shake it a few times, or whatever. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] And it works. [speaker001:] Or just like pick it up when you're gonna use it. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah, I suppose. [speaker002:] Instead of you don't have to like make sure it's in the right place to charge and [gap]. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Alright. Cool. [speaker002:] K okay. [speaker001:] 'S that the end of your presentation. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Alright. Thank you. [speaker002:] There we go. [speaker003:] Thanks. Oh. [vocalsound] It's not on my screen. [speaker002:] [gap] it wasn't on mine either. [speaker003:] Why? [vocalsound] [speaker002:] I don't know why. I think, I just, I just used the mouse on there. [speaker003:] You don't know why? Oh okay. Is it that one? [speaker001:] Yeah. That's um [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Um, I'm just gonna go through the interface concept with yous now. Uh, first of all I'll explain what a user interface is. It's the aspects of a computer system which can be seen or otherwise perceived, for example, heard or felt maybe, or [vocalsound] by the human user. And it's also the commands that the user uses to control its operation and to input data. Um, there are two types of user interfaces. There's the graphical user interface, which emphasises the use of pictures for output and a pointing device, for example a mouse for input control. So that's sort of like the scroll thing we were talking about. [speaker001:] Oh. Okay. Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. I'm not really sure about the pictures that [disfmarker] maybe that's on an LCD screen. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker003:] Or maybe it's the the buttons or pictures or something. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Hmm. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Do you think it's [disfmarker] [speaker002:] So I suppose sometime [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah, 'cause [disfmarker] [speaker002:] after you. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] I'm sorry? [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Um, because command interface requires you to type textual commands and input at a keyboard, so the numbers are sort of like a keyboard. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] You're pressing the numbers for, um, for what you want. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker003:] So you must, for the graphical user you must need some kind of presentation for the graphics. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Like an LCD screen. [speaker002:] I s I suppose where um mm on some buttons you would have [disfmarker] like the power would be s some kind of symbol. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] And if you wanted to go onto teletext or, I know we're not having that, but I mean a similar thing, [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] you, they have [disfmarker] there's a like little picture with a screen with lines across it, which [disfmarker] I suppose it's that sort of thing like the, the symbol on the button. [speaker003:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker002:] But if we're having a simplified display anyway, w that, we probably won't have to focus so much on that. [speaker001:] Yeah, we'll be doing [disfmarker] [speaker002:] It'll be more the on the numbers and the volume. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. It'd be more a command interface, [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] and then [disfmarker] [speaker002:] I suppose we need to think of symbols for like the volume, display, and stuff like that. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] So it's just draf graphical for the pointing aspect? The infrared is like, that's considered a [disfmarker] [speaker002:] I [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Hmm? [speaker003:] No I think it's to do with the actual symbols that are on the, that's on the buttons of the remote control, and per [speaker004:] Okay. So when it says pointing device that doesn't include [disfmarker] [speaker002:] For inp [speaker003:] Well it could be a wee scroller thing, and something could come up on the screen. [speaker001:] Yeah. I think they're talking about LCD type things. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] But um I think we're gonna go with the command interface anyway, to make it more simplistic. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] But the, we could incorporate some of the graphical user um points, as in [disfmarker] just to make it m um nicer to look at maybe. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] What do you mean? [speaker003:] Like [vocalsound] I can't think of an example, but [disfmarker] Sort of like little pictures rather than [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Oh yeah, like how the buttons [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Like a little sound. Instead of saying volume, like a little speaker or something. [speaker001:] Yeah, as a button though. [speaker003:] Yeah, [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker003:] something y [speaker001:] So, it's a keyboard in the shape of it, [speaker003:] Yeah m perha yeah. Yeah. Maybe. [speaker001:] right? Okay. Yeah. I like that idea. [speaker003:] Um, the co uh [disfmarker] we've decided that the command interface would be the most useful for a remote control. As it would be less complicated, and the controls would be more user-friendly. Um, the remote control would be cheaper to design, so that we'd have more money in the budget to, um, target the design area of the interface. You know, make it more trendy and original. We'll have more money if we keep it simple. [speaker001:] Yeah. I'm sure i like kinetic energy would probably dip into the budget. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] A bit more too, yeah. [speaker003:] Seeing as it's quite a new technology. Um [disfmarker] [vocalsound] We, we also have to keep in mind when we're designing our, um, more user-friendly remote control, that a lot of interfaces consist of a clutter of buttons, that, um, that their functions, colours and forms aren't always helpful. [speaker002:] Yeah. That's true. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] That's in like the buttons with all the different like colours for different choices and things. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] It can be a bit, yeah, overwhelming. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] And that all interfaces are different. So, um, that doesn't improve the use of the produ product, so we need to come up with something that's easy to understand. And maybe learn from the mistakes of other interfaces that can be too complicated for people to use. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Yep. [speaker003:] Does anyone have any questions? [speaker001:] Do you think that we should keep all the buttons to one same colour, just to keep it, give it a simplistic look. [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker004:] I think if we go with the um design plate thing, we'll have to. Just because of colour clashing, and if we wanted to, [speaker001:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker004:] so and, and we might, I mean, depending on what comes out of the design, we might have to stick to just black buttons. [speaker003:] But um [disfmarker] [speaker001:] But what about the lighting up effect? [speaker004:] You mean different colours for the lighting or [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Um, well, um, I thought we had um decided that we would [disfmarker] if you touched one of the buttons they'd all light up. And so if they were black, it wouldn't be possible for them to light up. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. Oh I see what you're saying. Well y [speaker001:] If they were white they would glow, probably. If they were made out of rubber. [speaker004:] Oh so you're picturing the light is coming from the back. I kinda pictured it as kind of coming from the sides and lighting it up frontwards. [speaker002:] Oh. [speaker004:] But, but I guess, you mean from the back. [speaker001:] Oh. Where would the light come from? [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker002:] I'd assume, like, an internal light, that comes through. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] So there would have to, have to be some parts maybe transparent around the buttons, or something. [speaker004:] Right. [speaker001:] Yeah, and well rubber is a more translucent product too, [speaker002:] Yeah, yeah. [speaker001:] so we have that taken care of. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] It should be able to [disfmarker] mm-hmm. [speaker003:] In the phone that I was thinking of as well, when you change the um covers of it, the, the little buttons that actually, you know, that contro control stuff, are behind the rubber. [speaker002:] Li yeah. [speaker003:] So you can change the buttons when you're changing the faces. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Oh. [speaker003:] Do you know what I mean? [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Oh. [speaker003:] 'Cause it's just the wee control, [speaker004:] They, they insert over. [speaker003:] yeah, [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker003:] thing that's behind it. So [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker003:] I mean, we don't have to decide on one colour. Each face could have its own colour of buttons maybe? [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Well, if they're raised up buttons. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] So that you can feel them. We were talking about it being more um, a lot more tangible. [speaker004:] T [speaker001:] Um, it might be more difficult to do. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] If they're, if they're sticking up. If it's flat then, like o like on a cellphone or a mobile phone, it's like all very flat, and you just have to sort of press down on these tiny little buttons, but [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] I think it would be possible. I don't think it would make that much difference. I mean, the uh the dimensions of it. 'Cause if it's just like constructed in the same way as like the front cover of a mobile phone. You can like take off the hard cover and then there's the like say the buttons. And then you get to the circuit. I don't think it would matter that the buttons were bigger through the, the top casing. I'm sure you could f work it out to fit in the casing, without causing too much difficulty. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] I'm sure that'd be fine. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Alright. If it's do-able we can do. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah, sounds good to me. [speaker003:] So that's everything, then? [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] Alright, thank you. [speaker004:] Okay is that my turn then? [speaker001:] That means you're up. Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Alright. [vocalsound] I have a shorter report for you today. Um, it took a while to get this, uh [disfmarker] Uh. [speaker002:] You're not plugged in yet. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Oh. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] That's a very good point. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Okay, so um, this report is about uh trend-watching. Um, basically so we can live up to our, our uh purpose of having a very fashionable remote control. Sorry. There we go. Um [disfmarker] [vocalsound] So, just so you know, my method was mainly web web-based research this time around. I also spoke with fashion experts in Milan, New York and Paris. And I looked at the design reports from previous years, here at Real Remote. Um, just so c we can work off of them, see how fashions have changed. Um, [vocalsound] so I'll list the three most important aspects that I've come across. Um, and they, they're each more important than the one that comes after it. Uh, the first one is that there should be a fancy look-and-feel, instead of the current functional look-and-feel. Um, this should be our priority, as we've been saying. The second most important aspect is that a remote sh that the remote control should be technologically innovative. So, I think we've done a lot of talking about that, just with lighting and the buttons and the [disfmarker] face-plates. Um, so it looks like we'll be able to keep on track with that. And the third most important aspect is that the remote control should be easy to use. [vocalsound] So, pretty basic there. And the recent fashion update, uh, according to fashion-watchers in Paris and Milan, is that fruit and vegetables will be the most important theme for clothes, shoes and furniture. [vocalsound] Um, also, in contra uh in contrast to last year, the feel of the material is expected to be spongy. Again, we've already discussed that with rubber versus hard plastic buttons. Um [disfmarker] So, my personal preferences here, um of course, as [disfmarker] we, we've already talked about the personal face-plates in this meeting, and I'd like to stick to that. The fruits and vegetable themes, I don't know if that's going to work for us. It sounds something that you'd use on kitchenware. I don't know if we wanna do it on remotes. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] It could be one of the options. Maybe for the television that people have in their kitchen. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] Um, the temporary light-up idea, sounds like we're gonna stick to that. And then, uh, tying in a trendy look with user-friendliness. [speaker001:] Yeah. Yeah, it's the fruits and vegetables is the only area that I find rather jarring. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Everything else we can really, we can really [speaker002:] It is strange. [speaker001:] um, do, according to our plans already, given the market. But fruits and vegetables seems a very strange idea for a remote control. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] It's, it's a little [gap] but it, it's everywhere. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Well [disfmarker] [speaker004:] So maybe we [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] I've seen a lot of purses with olives on them, you know. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] But I I think, I think if we stick to TV based, you know, maybe TV shows, or [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Or colour schemes. [speaker001:] But they still need to um fit into people's decor though. [speaker002:] We [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Right. [speaker002:] I think we possibly could take a more abstract design. Like look at the basic shapes of different fruits and vegetables. And then just really like strip it down to like really basic shapes. I mean we don't have to make something in the shape of a strawberry, but it could have the curves of a strawberry, or something. [speaker004:] Yeah. The [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah, yeah. [speaker002:] Or a strawberry seed or a leaf. [speaker004:] The essence of strawberry. Yeah. [speaker002:] Or just like you know really make it a quite abstract, if that's fits in more with what we're doing. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Instead of fruits and vegetables, [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] just [disfmarker] if you look at it straightforward, it's a bit [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] yeah. It doesn't s quite fit in with the trendy [disfmarker] well, obviously it does, if that's the current theme. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] But [vocalsound] may maybe we could go more directly, I don't know. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] But initially, I dunno. I think if we just sort of tone it down a bit. [vocalsound] Yeah and like not, not [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Tone it down. Yeah, [speaker004:] I guess, yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] like more like photos of fruit, on, on our product. [speaker002:] yeah. [speaker003:] Or banana-shaped. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] One thing I was thinking though is [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] I dunno if you all remember from our kickoff meeting, we talked about our favourite animals. [speaker003:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] So maybe there could be animal-based, you know. Because a lot of people have a house cat. Or, or a dog. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker004:] Um, that might be getting, you know, too specific, and we should see what the success of the first face-plates are. But it's something to keep in mind. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] And, did you have any questions? Pretty straightforward? [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah um [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker001:] Alright, given that information, we need to start making some more specific decisions. So I'll need to um hook up the PowerPoint again. [speaker004:] There you go. [vocalsound] Have you guys been saving your PowerPoint presentations to the [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] I didn't for the first one. [speaker004:] okay. [speaker002:] But I have now. [speaker001:] But it's still around right? [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah. Uh, hopefully [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] Where do you have to save it to? [speaker002:] Project documents I think. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker001:] Okay. I'm just trying to make this pop up now. Alright. Here we go. Okay so we have to uh decide now exactly what we are going to do. So energy, we [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] oh. [speaker002:] 'Kay. [speaker001:] Oh no I can't write it in when it's in this setting. Does anyone know how to take it out of [disfmarker] Um, [speaker003:] Just escape I think. [speaker004:] The PowerPoint? [speaker001:] yeah. Yeah. Okay. Um, so back to decisions. Energy, we've decided on kinetic, right? [speaker002:] Kinetic yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Okay, so that's good. [speaker002:] Are we going to have a backup? [speaker001:] Hmm. [speaker002:] Or do we just [disfmarker] [speaker001:] But would a backup really be necessary? I mean will people just use the battery if there's no, if there's, [speaker002:] I think maybe we could just go for the kinetic energy, [speaker001:] if there is backup. [speaker002:] and be bold and innovative, [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] and hope this works, and well hope that it works. [speaker001:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker002:] I think [disfmarker] yeah. [speaker001:] There's like no reason why it wouldn't work, right? [speaker002:] I think [disfmarker] no. [speaker004:] So [disfmarker] [speaker002:] I, I think we should just like take uh advantage of like using this to its full potential. [speaker001:] Yeah. It could even be one of our selling points. [speaker002:] Go for it. It could be [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] fully kinetic energy. [speaker001:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Environmentally conscious or something. [speaker002:] Is everyone happy with that? [speaker004:] So if it's not working they just have to shake it a bit and that revitalises it? [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker003:] Hope so. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Alright, the next um decision is chip on print. I don't exactly know what that means. [speaker002:] Um, it was whether we went for the simple, the regular, or the advanced chip. And that linked in with what buttons we would gonna have, so [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Right, and we were going for more simplistic style, right? [speaker002:] Yeah, it was [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] so that was without the LCD. So that means we're not doing the advanced. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] So it depends on whether we wanted the scroll buttons or just the push buttons. [speaker001:] I think we decided on the pushbuttons, right? [speaker003:] Yeah. I don [speaker002:] Uh, so that's the simple. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. Would we need a more advanced one for uh the lighting, the interior lighting system? [speaker002:] Yeah possibly. So, it's probably gonna be the regular chip that we're going to need. [speaker001:] Yeah? [speaker002:] So it's a medium. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] So regular chip. [speaker001:] That's called medium, or regular? [speaker002:] Regular sorry. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] 'Kay. [speaker002:] Regular chip. [speaker004:] Oh, is regular not simple? [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Lighting. Yeah if we [disfmarker] [speaker003:] It's for the lighting, yeah. [speaker002:] because of the lighting that we've decided to put in as well. [speaker004:] Right right right. [speaker001:] Okay, and cases. Um, does this, is this dependent on shape, or what it's made of, or what? [speaker002:] So th I think this is just like gonna be the [disfmarker] a very outer case which we will decide on rubber. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. Well, I guess plastic and coated in rubber. [speaker002:] Rubber. [speaker003:] Yeah [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Plastic with rubber [speaker002:] Plastic rubber coat. [speaker003:] plastic coat. [speaker001:] coating and interchangeable [speaker002:] Interchangeable, yeah. [speaker001:] um [speaker002:] Still going for that. [speaker001:] yeah, interchangeable plates. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Okay. User interface concept. This is your time to shine. [speaker003:] We decided on the component. I, I I'm sorry, I've lost my um [vocalsound] PowerPoint thing, so I can't remember what it's ca it's the component [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Your screen? [speaker004:] Think it was called command interface. [speaker002:] Was it [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Oh, yeah. Yeah. [speaker004:] Command interface, [gap]. [speaker003:] The command inter [speaker001:] Command interface. [speaker002:] Ouch. [speaker003:] The command line interface yeah. [speaker001:] Did you say command line? [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Okay. Line interface. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Alright, and supplements. What's that all about? [speaker003:] Um, I think that is [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] well we haven't really made any decisions about what we're gonna do about the cluster of button functions, colours and forms, in the [disfmarker] in consistent use. Like what what are ideas to combat these problems? [speaker001:] Um [disfmarker] [speaker003:] You know how um different interfaces are very different, and can be confusing because because of their difference, and because of the different clusters of buttons that they have. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] We haven't really decided what to do about that. [speaker001:] Um, what are our choices here? [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Well it's just um w where where shall we locate the buttons. What kind of functions wi shall we have? [speaker001:] You mean like we'll have the numbers of the channels, and we'll have the channel-changer, and volume, and power? [speaker002:] The power. Volume. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] So pretty [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Um [disfmarker] [speaker003:] just just the basic button functions. [speaker001:] Yeah. Like I don't know if we should go into like adjusting light levels, things like that, because different televisions will have [disfmarker] [speaker002:] May yeah. Tone, contrast, and things. [speaker001:] Um, yeah. [speaker002:] That's a bit [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] That was on, um one of my presentations. About how often it was used. Do you remember that? [speaker002:] Yeah, it was minima [speaker001:] Yep. [speaker002:] well, it wasn't the l [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah, it was hardly ever used really. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] I w [vocalsound] Should I bring it up? [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. That would be good. [speaker001:] And most televisions will come with a remote. [speaker002:] Yeah, and surely that would be like quite specific to the individual television, [speaker003:] Yeah, each television. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] so [disfmarker] [speaker001:] 'Kay, well we know we want numbers. [speaker004:] The ch t Screen settings was used um zero point five times an hour. So tw twice every [disfmarker] once every two hours. Um, and it was considered a one point five relevance, on a scale of ten. That's brightness, colour, tone, all that. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker003:] You don't change that often, yeah. [speaker002:] I think most of that comes like on the i individual television set itself, doesn't it? I'm sure it has its own buttons, so you don't necessarily need to have it on remote. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Yeah, it does. Yeah, and different televisions. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Like we, I don't know if we can make a remote that would be universal to all the different kinds of [speaker002:] Yeah. So we're just going for power, channels, volume, [speaker001:] changes like that. Volume. [speaker004:] The other one was audio settings. Mono, stereo, pitch. I mean I sometimes use that. Some TVs will have the option of like living room style, movie style, um [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] and that, they say that's used zero point eight times an hour, which is actually somewhat high. Like almost once an hour. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Um, relevance of two. [speaker001:] Oh. We have five minutes to finish our meeting. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Crap. Okay, um, [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] let's do this fast. Um [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Well that didn't some up on mine. [speaker001:] Should we have audio? It only comes up on mine usually. [speaker003:] It w [vocalsound] it would seem silly if we'd [gap] having anything else, just have an audio button though. [speaker004:] Oh. [speaker003:] Do you know? [speaker001:] Yeah, I don't, I [disfmarker] it's, it's a problem with the international uh appeal, I think. Um, if we have audio because we don't know how other televisions work. [speaker003:] But we [disfmarker] [speaker001:] But we know that everyone has this and it's the same. [speaker004:] Yeah I guess that it affects the marketing, [speaker002:] I've [disfmarker] [speaker004:] 'cause it, [vocalsound] mm it is a good sales ploy to say, aren't you annoyed with remote controls that have all these buttons. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] This one has channel, volume and your channe and your power. [speaker002:] Yeah, that's it. [speaker003:] That could be a sales pitch. [speaker002:] We can just go for, make it a selling point that it is just the basic. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Simple and [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah uh I [vocalsound] [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker001:] Alright. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] brilliant. [speaker001:] Good. And, okay, in closing, 'cause we only have five minutes. We'll be meeting again in thirty minutes. Um, you'll be working, Poppy will be working on the look-and-feel design. Wait a minute. Is that right? [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Yep, and um the user interface design, so this is where the trendy stuff comes in. And you'll be evaluating the product. Um, Poppy and Tara will have to work together, using modelling clay. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] And, um, your personal coach will give you the rest of the information of what needs to happen. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] Alright. So, anyone else have something to say? [speaker002:] Um, I just have one question about the whole fruit and vegetable aspect. [speaker001:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Are we [disfmarker] seeing as that was the most popular thing that came up out of your market research, I thi I think we should keep to that rather than moving to animals or something, because even if that may not seem obvious to us, if that's what the surveys brought out, I think that we should probably go along with that. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker002:] Um, so I suppose that'll come out in our dev design development. But you're happy to go ahead with the fruit and veg? [speaker004:] Now do you guys need [disfmarker] want an idea of how many uh [disfmarker] are you gonna come up with casing ideas? Like f five different [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Y Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] [gap] five. [gap]. [speaker003:] What I [disfmarker] What I was thinking [disfmarker] what do yous think of this? Um, having the numbers kind of like, not a bunch of grapes, but you know like purple and kind of in a triangle. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] Like grapes. [speaker004:] Yeah you can have some fun with the buttons, it's true. [speaker003:] Like that's kind of fruity or something. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] That's just [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] We can have a look at those ideas, yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] I guess what you i ideally you'd kind of think of age markets as well. So it's a something that will, you know, appeal to the fifteen to twenty five year olds. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Something that your granny would want on her remote control. Um, and international tastes as well, so [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Not easy. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Tricky. [vocalsound] A lot of things to consider. Hm. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Lots of [disfmarker] yeah. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker001:] Alright. 'Kay we'll stick to the fruit and veggie theme then. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Alright. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] And, um, we'll reconvene in thirty minutes. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker001:] 'Kay. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker001:] Bye. [speaker002:] Thank you. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] I'll see you later. [vocalsound] Oh, what did I just do. Okay.

[speaker001:] Okay. [vocalsound] Well, let's start. What are we doing? Oops. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Hmm. [speaker003:] Ah, pinball. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Okay. Okay. Not doing. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Mm. Ah. Hey. [vocalsound] Ah. [speaker001:] Uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Oh. [speaker004:] Now I have my screen back too. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Very good. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [gap] we have presentations. So first, it's your turn. [speaker003:] [gap] [speaker002:] Mine. Oh, great. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yeah. Isn't it amazing. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Huh. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah. Very interesting. [speaker002:] Uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Industrial Designer. Interface concept. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yes, well uh let's uh talk about the interface uh concept. Uh, first I'll uh I'll uh discuss the buttons we just chose, uh show you some samples, uh uh discuss some colours and design maybe, already. And uh my personal preferences. [vocalsound] Well we chose the power button to switch the television on and off. The bu uh the mute button to switch the volume on and o on and off. The channels buttons, one to nine, and uh off uh uh zero to nine, and the uh button to choose uh higher channels than nine. Uh the volume and channel quadrants, uh left and right, up and down arrows, to uh do the volume and channel. And the menu menu button to man manipulate the LCD uh display. Um, I found some uh interesting uh uh samples. Examples. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Um, well uh what's pretty standard is uh that it's [disfmarker] that they're all pretty uh uh high uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Large. [speaker002:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker004:] A lot [disfmarker] a lot of buttons buttons. [speaker002:] Large and and and pretty thin and uh and long. Um, power buttons are mostly at the top uh left or right. Um, well we see the the the same uh arrows. Like there. And uh [disfmarker] Yeah, well arrow b buttons can be blue. And what's interesting is the the the icons on the buttons. Some buttons have icons like the play and stop, but we don't use that. But uh, these we we have to choose the right icons, or or letters. Uh this is the V for volume, but they're both uh a V. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] So it's it's not really very uh clear what's the function of that. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Um [disfmarker] Yeah. So, that's [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Can you go back one page? For the uh menu, what do we use for that? [speaker002:] Uh, well [disfmarker] [speaker001:] We don't have buttons for the menu. Or we may have to use channel of the volume and channel [gap]. [speaker002:] Yeah. I thought that was our uh idea. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] So, uh how [disfmarker] [speaker001:] But [gap] uh [disfmarker] You have to put it on the [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Like this. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Or or this. And that the menu button is okay. [speaker001:] Yeah but, has to be clear that you can use the arrows. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah, okay. [speaker004:] Yes. [speaker002:] Uh, so the [disfmarker] The icons on the arrows, as well, you mean. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. Yes. The second one. [speaker002:] Yeah. Uh, well that's something to uh think about. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] Uh, maybe I'll have something in my uh presentation. And you will see it. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker004:] Okay. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Um, well I don't I don't know if we have to discuss this already, or in the next uh meeting. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] But uh, as we have to uh to to design the the case and the whole uh remote control in our uh our our corporate uh company uh uh colours and the logo, I would uh recommend a yellow case. Uh, round edges. The logo at the bottom. And uh, well maybe each each uh set of buttons uh has uh has his own colour. So, it's good. Uh, recognisable. K so, I think. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Not too much colours. [speaker002:] Uh, no. Not too much. But uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] No, it's not flower power. [speaker002:] No, no, no. But this has to be has to be trendy and uh [disfmarker] and [gap] [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] S okay. [speaker002:] Uh, yeah so good uh good icons on the buttons, and uh and big buttons is my uh personal uh opinion. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] That was that. [speaker001:] Thank you. So, you're next. [speaker003:] I'm next, okay. [vocalsound] Yes. No. Here we go. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Uh, at first we will uh I will f uh say something about what younger people want, [speaker004:] [gap] Okay. Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] our uh group w uh w uh we want to uh sell our remote controls to. And then, I'll discuss what my opinion is about the costs, about uh what battery is in it, what kind of buttons also. First uh, the younger people, they want like soft mat uh materials and primary colours. Like, totally yellow, totally red. Uh, so it's visible. Uh, the shapes are curved and round, like uh you also said. Maybe it's nice to uh get a remote control not like all the other ones, straight and uh flat and long. But to give him the shape of your hand, so you [disfmarker] it's easier to use or something like that. But that's just an idea. And then, I'll have to discuss about the costs uh of all the things for the remote control. The battery, there are few options. Uh, I think the best option is to use uh the basic battery. So, everybody can buy it uh at the at the supermarket. Or use uh a k uh kinetic battery like uh within a watch. When you uh shake it a few times, it it's loaded. Uh, the the form of the remote control, I think it's also nice [gap] have it curved. And maybe like it's hand-shaped. Uh, so uh you take it here in your hand and here are the buttons. Uh material, you use plastic. Hard plastic uh because uh [gap] it won't have to burst uh like in the [disfmarker] in one time. And also rubber because the younger people like that, what we see in the research. Uh the push-buttons. We have one new thing uh discovered. It's a scroll push uh thing like a mouse. Maybe it's uh easy to use uh for the channels. When you want to go m move up, you just scroll up and click on the button, if you wanna see the next, uh if you wanna see that channel. And also for the mouse, uh for the volume, it's also uh easy to use. Just scroll a bit up, scroll a bit down. And that's also easy just w when you have a thing like this, and you get it here. You can do it with your thumb. And with your l left hand you can uh push the buttons [speaker004:] Hmm. [speaker003:] uh if you [gap] push uh channel one, you can see channel one. The electrics um with a scroll push uh button, we must use regular uh chips. There are also uh simple chips. They are uh cheaper. Um, but then we have just a basic uh uh remote control, and I think there are a lot of those uh things, and people won't buy it any more. They have seen enough of it. And you have also advanced um chips. But that's with the LCD uh screen. And the costs will increase a lot more. And I think our budget is too low to use and an LCD, and the chip who is more expensive. And maybe it's also then uh thoughtful if we u uh use uh as um different kind of uh shapes for the [disfmarker] for remote control, that we then use the primary colours. Like, you get a yellow uh remote control, red one, blue one, et cetera. You have any more questions about this? I think the main thing is we look at the costs. [speaker004:] Yep. [speaker001:] Hmm. [speaker003:] And not too basic, not a basic remote control, who everybody already has. [speaker004:] Yeah. But, thi i uh [disfmarker] This is with an LCD? No, [speaker003:] Not with an LCD. [speaker004:] not. [speaker001:] No, isn't. [speaker003:] No. [speaker001:] But the LCD is easy when you use the scroll uh buttons. Then you can scroll, you see what number, and then you push. [speaker003:] Yeah. But then, what I say, the costs will uh get a lot higher. [speaker001:] But then it's not easy to use scroll uh wheel. [speaker003:] Th then you'll see it on the television. [speaker001:] If you don't [disfmarker] Hmm, yes. But then. Yeah, then you go one down one up. When you scroll. [speaker003:] Yeah but l when you see a menu uh on the television, it's like you see uh one to twenty, you go uh uh s scroll up, and push number tw twenty. [speaker001:] Yeah but like we said before, it has to be used on every television. So you may not be uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] No. The television must do that. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] So [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah, I think the younger people will have newer televisions, which can provide our uh remote control. [speaker001:] Yeah but young people have to have all their uh room. And mostly they are smaller. [speaker003:] Yes. [speaker001:] So [disfmarker] [speaker003:] But that won't be a problem. I think. [speaker001:] Most the times that are not advanced televisions. [speaker003:] No, [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] but then we'll get to the regular uh remote controls. And I think, what I said, everybody has them uh has them already. And they go to a uh supermarket and buy them uh for two Euros. Uh, and ge and get the most cheapest uh thing. And I think we must look further to uh to devel d develop something news. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] Uh, can you give an indication in b uh in the cost difference between uh the chip with LCD or without? [speaker003:] [vocalsound] I got it on my screen and it was uh higher. But I don't know uh how much higher. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] 'Cause it [disfmarker] I think if we have an LCD, it will also sell a lot better. [speaker001:] That's important. [speaker003:] That's true. [speaker004:] And that might uh bring back the costs uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] But then we'll [disfmarker] I think we must discuss who [disfmarker] uh what will be better. If we have a better shape of the um remote control, or better options on it. With a scroll menu, a w scroll thing, and a LCD. And then a flat um remote control. Or, a more hand-shaped remote control, with scroll, without LCD. [speaker001:] Yeah. Maybe you can look how how much it is for the LCD. [speaker003:] I can uh look on my uh [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] It's very important. [speaker003:] [gap] Uh [disfmarker] Note that the push-button requires a simple chip chip. A scroll wheel requires minimally a regular chip, which is a higher price range. The display requires a advanced chip, which is which in turn is more expensive than the regular chip. [speaker001:] Yeah, more expensive. But how much? [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Doesn't say. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Oh. [speaker004:] Huh. [speaker002:] Hmm. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] That's from my manufacturing division. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] 'Kay. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Well, thank you. [speaker004:] My turn? [speaker003:] Yes? [speaker001:] Next. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Mm. So [disfmarker] So [disfmarker] Yeah. So, my uh presentation is about trend-watching. Uh, I did some trend-watching. It's very important to uh keep up with latest trends. [vocalsound] 'Cause if you don't, you won't sell. So, well how we did do that? Uh, well we made an investigation of the market, by Trendwatchers. They uh watch in uh cities like uh Paris and Milan. Of course, well known for their uh trend [disfmarker] uh trends. And well, uh what did you find? Uh, we have two groups, young and trendy, and the old and rich. Well th and the young and trendy, they uh they starting to like uh fruit and vegetables uh as a theme for n uh clothes, shoes, and also uh products. And um, material? That should feel [disfmarker] have uh a spongy feeling. And to get a feeling for what it is, uh here is an image of it. Then the old and rich. They like uh dark colours, and simple, recognisable shapes. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] And um, they also like uh familiar material, uh especially wood. Now, another picture. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] To get a feeling for this. Well, uh then already come to my personal preferences. We uh aim at the younger market. So, we should also be uh look at their uh trends. However, with trends it's always if there's [disfmarker] it's now. It it it might last one year, and next year it be [disfmarker] uh can be totally different. And I think we want to sell our product for longer than one year. So, we m must not just only look at what the trend is now, as it might be totally different next year. So, that's uh one thing to keep in mind. [speaker003:] Changing covers. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah. Any questions? [speaker003:] Nope. [speaker002:] No. [speaker001:] No. It's clear. So now, it's uh [disfmarker] [vocalsound] Ah, let's see. Now, w we have to decide [vocalsound] Well, we have to decide on the concept. So, we have to look at [disfmarker] 'S next. Components and user interface concept. So [disfmarker] Now, we have to make some concept. Maybe one of you can paint it on the board. First, uh user interface. [speaker003:] Uh, uh-uh. How w how we how we make it? Uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yes, a concept on uh [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Shouldn't we first discuss about like what w we all [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Just [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yeah, but maybe we can paint it. Uh, what do we want? [speaker003:] Yeah, but if I paint with [disfmarker] [speaker001:] I'll paint. Okay. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Well [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker001:] Something like this? Or [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Mm, yes. [speaker001:] Shapes or [disfmarker] What do we need? [speaker004:] Can make several uh concepts. [speaker002:] What? [speaker001:] Yes, okay. [speaker004:] We have this, and we had the idea of an um a more uh uh uh like sh in the shape of your hand. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] More like something [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah I I I uh [disfmarker] yes. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] M like [disfmarker] Yeah I can't dr I can't draw it. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Uh [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] And you have to. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] I have to. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] I'm not a designer. It's more [gap] three D. Like, um when you have a part here. This is the remote control. And then you have something like th this under it. So, it's easier to get it like this. [speaker002:] Mm. [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [gap] [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] It's like a gun. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] A g [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] So, it has to be soft? [speaker004:] Mm. [gap]. [speaker003:] And it has to be soft, yeah. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] So, you can squeeze in it and [disfmarker] [speaker001:] And uh, the buttons? [speaker003:] Sorry? [speaker001:] Buttons. [speaker003:] Buttons on top of it. And here. The scrolling. You can do it with your thumb. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] No, it won't. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] But but i that's the only scroll uh button on it then? [speaker003:] But now we use one scroll button and the other one is here. One till uh uh zero till nine. [speaker001:] But, well there one for the sound and one for the channels. [speaker002:] Yeah, okay. But but how [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] And the b [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah? [speaker002:] How [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Or two buttons. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker004:] And i if we go to uh [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Uh, two scroll uh wheels. [speaker003:] If uh [disfmarker] 'Kay c If we do [disfmarker] If we use one, then we'll have just a switch on it, and you'll just switch it, and now it's the sound to switch back [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] That's th that's more difficult. [speaker004:] But if we have uh a me Yeah. [speaker001:] It's better in [disfmarker] [speaker004:] If we have a menu, uh how do we uh choose other options? [speaker003:] with the menu uh button. And then you also can scroll uh scroll in it. Just not like all the other ones, with uh this thing, and uh here an arrow, here an arrow, here an arrow, here an arrow. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Because uh, from h hundred uh [gap] remote controls, ninety nine have it. [speaker001:] But if we don't have a LCD we don't have a menu. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Uh, then we have it on the TV, the menu. [speaker004:] Uh-uh. [speaker001:] Yeah, but [vocalsound] again maybe th How do we know the TV can handle it? [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] You don't know. So, there's no menu. [speaker003:] I don't know. It's like some sort of uh teletext option, but we don't have teletext. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] No. So you can't use it. [speaker003:] And if we put an LCD thing on it, then the costs will uh be much higher. [speaker001:] Okay, we make two concepts. One with LCD. One without LCD. [speaker003:] 'Kay. But you all like this kind of thing. Uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Good concept. But [disfmarker] [speaker003:] With the scroll button. [speaker001:] That's one. [speaker003:] And and this one has to be soft. [speaker004:] Uh-uh. [speaker003:] And this has to be harder, because when it falls, it mu mu must not burst. Or some kind of rubber around it. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] It's one. Two. Number two. [speaker002:] And you can and you can uh make the the power button as a trigger. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Like uh [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [gap] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Ah that's nice. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Here. Trigger. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] No. [speaker002:] Just to uh [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] But when you handle it, you put it on and off. It's not good to use. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yeah, but [vocalsound] I'll zap. [speaker002:] Oh, like a [vocalsound] [gap] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Fuck. Out. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] No, it's not good. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Now, second concept. One with LCD, one without LCD. Then uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Paint it. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Paint it? [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] With the scroll thing on, like this? [speaker001:] One with two scroll buttons and one with without. Yeah. Uh, one with a with a menu, and one without a menu. [speaker003:] So? [speaker001:] And the one with with a menu has an LCD. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Draw it. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Unbelievable. Do I have to do everything. Blank. You have [disfmarker] [vocalsound] Not so difficult. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker002:] But if you put [disfmarker] push the the menu button [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Uh, that's the menu. [speaker002:] Yeah, wh what [disfmarker] [speaker001:] There for the LCD screen. [speaker002:] Yes, but you don't know which of the scroll buttons you have to choose. [speaker001:] You have to [disfmarker] For the menu. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. One that way. And one that way. So [disfmarker] Then it depends on the cost. S On and off. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] But is it easy to use? When you have it on your left side, and [disfmarker] [speaker001:] When it's not too big. Just like a a phone. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] M uh yeah, maybe it's better if the uh scroll-wheels are um [speaker003:] Separate, more separate, h yeah. [speaker004:] more separate, yeah. [speaker001:] Yes, okay. [speaker004:] Like, you have the menu button in between uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah. On the left a scroll button, and on the right a scroll button. But would it be easy to use then? If it's like [disfmarker] [vocalsound] you have a big uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Very good. Is it better? When you uh [gap] the menu, you have to go there there there there. [speaker003:] I also think this concept is not what the young people were looking for. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] They were like round curves, uh different uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah, okay. That's that's the outside. [speaker003:] Okay, okay, okay. [speaker001:] But now the [disfmarker] First the buttons. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] Think we have we have now two buttons missing. The uh um [disfmarker] The mute button. [speaker001:] Sorry? [speaker004:] We have two buttons missing. The mute button. And um, the [disfmarker] to to uh [disfmarker] have to uh [disfmarker] numbers [speaker001:] Mute. And the other. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yeah. Not so difficult. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] But, uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Personally, I think two scroll buttons uh aren't easy to handle. [speaker001:] But how do you wanna solve it? [speaker003:] With the switch button. [speaker001:] Yeah but on the menu that's not uh easy. Then you go down, you switch, you go into the right, you switch, you go down. [speaker003:] No like uh [disfmarker] Oh, you mean like that. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Uh, then you can also have like uh th um [disfmarker] [speaker001:] A joystick. [speaker003:] Yeah, and joystick, I think. [speaker001:] Yeah. But is it uh [disfmarker] Does that break, a joystick? Or a small one just like in a laptop. [speaker003:] Yeah like in a laptop, s uh s some sort of thing. A little bit bigger, with easier thi [speaker001:] Mean, it's better. But how expensive it is? [vocalsound] [speaker003:] I don't know. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Oh. Why do I pay you for? [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Um, well [vocalsound] um [disfmarker] [vocalsound] Better ideas. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker003:] Or no scroll uh things. Just a shape. And [disfmarker] [gap] No, no. It won't work. [speaker001:] For the young peoples I think scroll button's good. [speaker003:] Yeah. Uh-huh. [speaker001:] So [disfmarker] Think we have to keep them. [speaker003:] Or a remote control more like joystick. [speaker001:] Yeah, but is it [disfmarker] That's not expensive than uh [disfmarker] Joystick is better. A small one. [speaker003:] A small one like this, like a Nintendo uh k [speaker001:] No just like in a [speaker003:] Playstation thing. [speaker001:] a laptop. Small, round. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Then it's not so big. [speaker003:] No, no, no. I mean the the shape of the remote control. [speaker001:] Oh the sh [speaker003:] Just like a Playstation thing. [speaker001:] Yeah, but then you can [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] So [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Maybe, if it's possible, [vocalsound] it's not too expensive, I think a joystick is better. A small one. So, please look at it. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] No, that's okay, I got [disfmarker] [speaker004:] And on the LCD, how much it costs? Uh, it costs extra? [speaker003:] Uh [disfmarker] [vocalsound] they're not uh in details. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] It's more expensive or less expensive, huh? [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah we [disfmarker] I think you get it. So, after this meeting you have half an hour to uh fix it. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [gap] Then I have to come with it. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yes. [speaker003:] I got my personal costs. I I don't I don't know the costs. [speaker001:] Your problem. Not mine. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Then I'll uh make something up. [speaker001:] Okay. So, do we have other concepts? Then for the components, we use a normal battery. [speaker002:] Mm, yeah. [speaker001:] Then it's [disfmarker] Ch cheapest way, I think. [speaker003:] Yeah, or the or the kinetic uh with normal battery. [speaker001:] No, no kinetic. [speaker003:] Yeah, I think it's uh, yeah, [speaker001:] Kinetic is uh ch makes it more expensive. [speaker003:] more expensive. Yeah. [speaker001:] So we use a normal battery. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker004:] Yes. [speaker001:] Chip. Depends on the LCD. [speaker003:] Depends on the scroll. [speaker001:] Scroll. [speaker003:] If we use a scroll, then we have the uh regular chip. If we don't use a scroll, then we can use the simple chip. And that's [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah. And uh, we [disfmarker] If you use the LCD, we have to [speaker003:] Uh the most expensive. [speaker001:] Yes, okay. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] So, depends on the LCD and the scroll. [speaker003:] If we [disfmarker] Yeah. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] If we [disfmarker] No okay scroll-wheel. So, I have this. So, it will be uh the advanced chip, or the uh regu uh or the regular chip. [speaker001:] Okay. So, uh the shapes of the design depends on the LCD and [disfmarker] But, it has to be small. I think. [speaker003:] Or shall we just put it on the pistol thing? And then just put also on LCD on it? [speaker001:] If you have pistol, it [disfmarker] LCD's not easy. Y y [vocalsound] Yeah but [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Just use your thumb. [speaker001:] If you use a phone. [speaker003:] If you [disfmarker] Yeah. I use my thumb. [speaker001:] [gap] k Yeah, but but then you have it. Like, th if you have pistol, you have it so. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] And the screen is [disfmarker] Well, then you have to keep it this way to look at the screen. [speaker003:] If you have a joystick on [disfmarker] No, if you have like uh an uh uh a ni a uh Playstation uh game controller. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] And you move up, f forward, down, left. Then you have uh just, yeah, a little bit curved. It's not just uh [vocalsound] straight. [speaker001:] No. No, no. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] That's how we use it. [speaker004:] Uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] That's why they make joysticks like that, I think. [speaker001:] Yeah, but then you look forward. [speaker004:] Uh, yeah, but [disfmarker] [speaker001:] And then you can y [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah? [speaker001:] N well, if you have to look at it. [speaker004:] If you [disfmarker] [speaker003:] 'Kay. Here's our designer. [speaker004:] If we have uh then something standing here, with the LCD. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Then it goes like this. [speaker003:] Yeah, why not. [speaker001:] If th n well [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] It's for the younger people. [speaker001:] Yes, of course. [speaker003:] It's something new. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] It's uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] That's good good. But the [disfmarker] um, it may not break. [speaker003:] Now we put uh rubber around it. [speaker001:] Okay. If that's possible. [speaker004:] Um, Yeah. [speaker003:] Hard plastic, uh the shape, and around it hard uh around it rubber. And the uh the hand shape is also rubber. [speaker004:] [gap] [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] [gap] I can't see the [gap]. [speaker002:] Or you can uh turn it inside. [speaker004:] But, uh the easy of [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] But that's [disfmarker] [speaker004:] uh, th the ease of use wasn't uh the most important uh aspect of it. [speaker003:] Huh. [speaker002:] No, that's true. [speaker004:] Uh, for us it's about to sell it. Uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yeah of course. [speaker003:] This is something new. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Okay. Then this is the design. And the buttons are on the next page. So, depends on the cost. So, [speaker003:] Costs are okay. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] um we have one minute. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [gap]. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] One. [speaker001:] I think. [speaker004:] No. [speaker001:] No. [speaker004:] You have more. [speaker001:] More. Seven. [speaker004:] You have still ten. [speaker001:] Next meeting. Thirty minutes. So hurry up. [speaker003:] Oh, that's us together. [speaker001:] You two stay here. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Paint it. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] Now you have to. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] So [disfmarker] I think it's clear. Check your mail. So [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yes. [speaker001:] It has to be ready in the next meeting. So [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] What? [speaker002:] Cookie. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker001:] Next meeting is called the detailed design. So [disfmarker] Everyth everything has to be ready. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker001:] Thanks for your attention. [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] 'Kay. [speaker004:] See you at the next meeting. [speaker003:] Bye bye.

[speaker001:] Okay. Hi Team. [speaker004:] [gap] [speaker001:] Hope you had a good lunch. [vocalsound] Okay we're back for the conceptual design meeting. Um let's get started. 'Kay, here is the agenda for today's meeting. Um we're gonna open it and I'm gonna keep the minutes as Project Manager. We're gonna have three presentations, one from each of you again. And then we are going to come to decision on the remote control concepts and then we're gonna close it up. And we have forty minutes again. 'Kay, and just to reiterate um after this meeting the team will reach a decision on the concepts of the remote control. Okay. Let's go ahead and start off with your presentations. Who would like to go first? [speaker002:] Just trying to move mine right now. [speaker001:] Okay. Um Courtney would you mind starting us off? [speaker004:] Yeah [gap]. [speaker001:] Okay. Trend watching? [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] 'Kay. [speaker004:] Okay, so trend watching. Uh since we do put the fashion in electronics, it is kind of important how our product looks. So I guess we can go ahead and go to the next. So what they want. Right now customers want fancy versus functional. Um basically about fifty eight percent of what they [disfmarker] like of the product that they want, describing like the [disfmarker] in order of how much they want, fifty eight per cent of the decision of what it should look like, fancy versus functional, and then it has to also be technologically innovative, and yet easy to use. So the customer basically is confused. They don't know exactly what they want. They want us to tell them. [gap] [speaker002:] They want everything, but simply. [speaker004:] Yes. Exactly. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker004:] So we can go to next. [speaker001:] Mm 'kay. [speaker004:] Okay. So in Milan and Paris recently the trends have been showing that clothing, shoes and furniture are basically just covered with fruits and vegetable patterns. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] So I don't know if we want to go with that um and also the spongy feel is in in contrast to last year. I don't know really, I mean I guess the spongy could relate to the buttons if we want to [speaker001:] Mm. Mm. [speaker004:] rather than like a hard clicky button that you find on like some mobiles and stuff, you'd want like a softer touch. I mean do you guys know what I mean. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah th [speaker001:] Right. Yes. [speaker004:] Yeah. Um. But as for the fruits and vegetable patterns, I don't know if we really want to go with that, because it is just a trend, and our product we want to stay around for much longer than just a few months, [speaker001:] Right. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] I I can [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Right. [speaker004:] because [disfmarker] [speaker001:] People don't buy a new remote every so often. [speaker004:] Yeah. I mean that could just be a Spring thing right now. [speaker002:] I can address some of that issue, I think, with uh my presentation. [speaker004:] Okay. Awesome. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] Um so design preferences, um we need easy to read like large buttons, clearly labelled so that, I mean 'cause we talked about that being a problem. Um and then also buttons illuminating upon touch, you said that in your design, with the bulb. Um and that could also tie in with the colour scheme. Uh we need the Real Reaction logo and colour scheme obviously. That's one of our key goals, we wanna promote our product. [speaker003:] [gap] [speaker004:] And I was thinking about different types of designs and I came up with something. Actually right here. So what we could do is something like an old-fashioned telephone like this, where we put the buttons around, like we'd put a big on-off button or something else in the middle, I mean it could be the arrows or whatever for channel up and down, and then put the numbers around in like an old-fashioned dial shape. 'Cause then it'll appeal to older generation and like said retro's cool. So it's classically retro. [speaker001:] Hmm. [speaker004:] So I mean that's just an idea if you guys like it. [speaker001:] Very good. I like it. [vocalsound] Okay, ready for the next slide? [speaker004:] [vocalsound] And, yep. And that's it. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Op mm 'kay. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker001:] Great. Great presentation. Ready? [speaker003:] Okay hang on. [speaker001:] 'Kay. [speaker003:] See if it's there. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Which one is it? [speaker003:] [vocalsound] I don't know. Hang on. [speaker001:] [gap] [speaker003:] Interface concepts, no? [speaker001:] Interface concepts new. [speaker003:] Either refresh it, or it sh [disfmarker] Oh wait, [speaker001:] Y [speaker003:] maybe I didn't put it there. Hang on. [speaker001:] 'Kay. [speaker002:] Mine will always read copy of something or other. [speaker001:] Sorry? [speaker002:] [vocalsound] I I copied mine before I sent it over. [speaker001:] Oh okay. [speaker003:] Sorry, hang on. Don't know [gap]. [speaker001:] Oh there we go. [speaker003:] Okay. Okay, um [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [gap] [speaker003:] looking at the interface concept, it's gonna be mostly examples of possibilities of where we can go with this. Uh if you wanna start the next slide. [speaker001:] Sure. [speaker003:] Um uh can't really see, but there's two possible ways, on the r left, if you see on th on the sides of of the remote, you have the sort of scroll down, so you have that option right there. And then also there's the idea of the base. That's sort of like an idea there. And then on the right, we have what's really big trend right now, it's the iPod. It's becoming really [gap] and so you have this sort of very very simplistic menu section uh with the round buttons, and it's sort of like you have the both [gap] kind of trendy and hip, but also very sleek and um and very simple, but technologically advanced. So if you wanted to do that th if we could find a way of sort of like [vocalsound] using that idea in a remote control then sort of look into it, but [disfmarker] Anyway, next. [speaker001:] Mm 'kay. [speaker003:] Um there's the idea of like being able to do it by feel as well as by um by sight. You'd you know you're in the dark, you don't wanna be looking at the remote control. And the picture particularly is pointing out if you look at the top volume button it's a V, and so yo you're kind of feeling a V like volume up. What it really is is a V and what it you think it is is down, because the down arrow. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker003:] And so it's like a sort of a criticism you'd probably turn that o the other way up. Um but then you have [disfmarker] you could either do it by raised type, which could be you know, iffy, um sort of old-fashioned in a way. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker003:] Either that or just have it by shape, for example you have a specific triangular shape that you know you're looking at the up and down arrow. And then the round ones you sort of feel by, you know, that's the second one down, that sort of thing. So it's sort of looking into how we wanted t to do it by feel. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] Okay. Um this is sort of an example of going for a s certain demographic. Um this is particularly geared towards children. [speaker004:] That's cute. [speaker003:] Um it's very cute, [speaker001:] [gap] [speaker003:] and we could probably change it to yellow, bright yellow for like a the for the company logo. Um and you have the shapes and it's very simplistic and friendly looking. Um and then the other thing that it would be able to do is just to pro be ab you program certain [disfmarker] [vocalsound] channels that only these children would watch, so it's like they ch watch, you know, the C Beebies or something like that, [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] uh keep them away from other channels. So that's like another ar Um, [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] I mean, these are three examples sort of looking at it. You have the wider section for the main controls there. Uh you could see how many buttons there are. And then on the left you have an example of the round buttons, and a simpler design. On the bottom we probably wouldn't need that, because it's more for like a DVD [vocalsound] function which we are not gonna be using. Um. So again it's sort of like just give you ideas and then down at the bottom you have the logos and that's where you could put the RR, Real Reaction. [speaker001:] 'Kay. [speaker003:] And then finally these are like the sort of same examples, but also some more, just possibilities that we could go with. None of them I'm particularly keen on by the way. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Hmm. [speaker001:] No. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] But it's sort of like just taking aspects out of that and saying, well out of this one we like, you know the round section of um, b or we'd like the the button size on this. [speaker001:] Mm. Or I like, you know, the black finish or the silver finish or whatever. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Right. [speaker004:] I have four of those remotes. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Good lord. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Okay. Ready? [speaker003:] That's it. [speaker001:] Oh, yeah. Okay. Great job. [speaker002:] Okay, my turn. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] Whoo. [speaker001:] What's the title? [speaker002:] It'll be copy of component design. [speaker001:] Got it. [speaker002:] Yeah. Th that looks like it. 'Kay. So basic remote operation runs as follows, press button makes connection with the power source and the rest of the circuit, chip senses the connection, chip produces a morse code infra-red signal, specific to that button. So you press the button, it produces uh a signal that's encoded specifically for that button. Transistors amplify that signal and it goes to the TV's centre, which interprets the signal response accordingly, changes channel etcetera. So that being said [disfmarker] Next slide, please. Findings oh which were the required materials for the basic internal construction, so all the really simplistic functions that we just discussed, we need rubber for buttons, aluminium for battery y contacts, integrated circuit which consists of a diode, transistor, resonator, resistors, and a capacitator, all those basic things that make a circuit function. Um fibreglass and thin copper wire to create the actual circuit board itself. An LED, which is a light emitting diode, um contact discs for the buttons, plastic for the casing, and a power-source, whatever power-source we've actually determined we want. Next slide, please. Thank you. Uh personal preferences, uh to save money for the components, the remote should be mass-produced and basic materials should be bought en masse. Um if we find another company who can produce the required chips, casing, LED, any additional materials we decide we require at a less expensive rate than we ourselves are producing, we should go for it. [vocalsound] Next slide, please. Um just talking to the um manufacturing division. They suggested power options, solar cells, hand dynamo, and kinetic power, so you shake it and it increases the power. Um I'm not sure how the hand dynamo works, they have yet to get back to me on that. So next slide, please. [speaker001:] Hmm. Interesting. [speaker002:] Suggested casing options. Okay. We can offer options for casing such as straight, curved, double-curved, you know, very specific to the customer. Options for materials, plastic, rubber, titanium, wood. I don't think anyone's gonna go for a wood one, because splinters [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [gap] [speaker004:] That would be amazing, though, yeah. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [gap] [speaker004:] No, splinters would [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah. [vocalsound] Um certain restrictions do apply here though. Uh latex, you can't do solar power with a latex one. So, if they want some a soft squishy rubber, they can't have the solar powered option. Double-curved, you can't do titanium. [speaker004:] What is that? [speaker002:] Um that would be two curvatures, so it would actually, if you [disfmarker] the shape of your hand, you curve here and you curve here, so you could have two curves that match the shape of your hand to make it more comfortable to hold. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker002:] Now if you wanted that, you can't do titanium. And uh so you [gap] functions what [disfmarker] for the buttons, scrolling function could be very beneficial to us instead of actual buttons themselves. [speaker003:] Right. [speaker002:] I think I have one more slide. [speaker001:] 'Kay. [speaker002:] No, I didn't. [speaker001:] No, okay. [speaker002:] Um the manufacturing division also has said that um [vocalsound] they have several types of chips and they've just developed a sample sensor or sample speaker chip, which we could utilise. Um push button requires a simple chip and scroll requires more complicated chip. So depends on what we decide we wanna do. In addition to that if we're offering all those different options to the customer for producing their remote, we're going to have to have multiples of each type, like a double-curved in rubber, um you know, each option should have a certain select number produced with all those options. So we'll have to mix it up, make sure we produce enough of everyone. But that could also drive up the price of the actual remote itself if they know that we only produced five thousand, you know, double-curved wooden remotes. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker004:] Right. Okay. [speaker001:] Hmm. [speaker002:] And that's all I got. [speaker001:] Okay. Alright, well thank you for those informative presentations. Let's go back to um [disfmarker] Now we have to make some decisions. Where were we? [speaker003:] Let me just add one more thing that I couldn't say before, [speaker001:] Sure. [speaker003:] and that's just that there's the new technology that they've developed on the voice recognition. Um. [speaker004:] Oh this [disfmarker] the thing we were talking about earlier. [speaker003:] Right except that it's sort of odd, and I'm no not exactly sure why they are explaining it in the way they are, um there's a sample sensor and there's a sample speaker unit for [disfmarker] So, you would say like, good morning, coffeemaker, and it would respond, good morning, Jill, [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] but I'm not sure exactly how it's gonna work, 'cause do you programme [disfmarker] do we program the responses and the questions. So does that mean that the user then has to ask the specific question, and can't change it in order for it to be recognised, [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker003:] or can it be altered in a certain way, or does the actually user program it, to say a channel means this. [speaker001:] Right. [speaker004:] Yeah, like using the menu to be like, enter your name into the screen like on the menu options. [speaker001:] Right. [speaker004:] So that way the remote reads it. [speaker003:] Right, so it's got like a limited memory and [gap] programme it. So it's sort of iffy, but that's kind of what you'd say. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker004:] I feel like voice recognition would be, I don't know, w it would be too hard to really [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Hmm. Programme. [speaker004:] I mean we could do it, but [disfmarker] [speaker001:] If it's within our price to get that kind of chip that would, you know, technology [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Technology. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Well, we are making the chip. [speaker001:] Hmm. [speaker002:] So, I mean [disfmarker] But, I guess, we have to look at w what [vocalsound] our production cost is for the chip itself anyway. [speaker004:] And it is a growing trend, the higher technological, like [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker004:] the, I mean just like the more advanced it is, [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] the better it'll sell. [speaker002:] I I thought [vocalsound] offering some of those options for different materials that it could be made of different, you know [disfmarker] I think we'd have to decide on the power options, maybe. [speaker001:] Hmm. [speaker002:] So that we could reduce cost. [speaker004:] Yeah, 'cause we need to know how big it's gonna be and how heavy. [gap] [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Okay, that kind of brings us to this, let's let's see if we can decide what kind of energy source we want to have first and foremost. Um. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] Do we wanna go for batteries or a stand like the one that we saw illustrated earlier? [speaker004:] Oh the base, yeah. [speaker001:] The base, the charging base with rechargeable batteries? [speaker002:] I think the p [speaker003:] I always feel like first I wanna know what it looks like, before [disfmarker] 'Cause if it's something really really small, then it's sort of harder to imagine a base for it, [speaker001:] Hmm. [speaker003:] that was p quite a s substantial size sort of standing up [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah, [speaker004:] W [speaker001:] and we don't have multiple things that it has to control, it just has to control the TV. It's not gonna be a huge universal remote. [speaker004:] We need to decide, well so we can figure how big it's gonna be, like exactly what buttons we want [speaker003:] Right. [speaker001:] What size battery and [disfmarker] [speaker004:] and exactly [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Well, the other thing is like even if it's got a few buttons, so we want it to be bigger than this, [speaker004:] It could be like this. Yes. I'd, well uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] 'cause it still fits in your hand, so you still wanted something that's comfortable and substantial, but not necessarily full of buttons. [speaker004:] This one is really comfortable, like I like the sides whatever, [speaker003:] Are you gonna lose it easier? [speaker004:] because [disfmarker] But if we have the um, the locator, then we don't have to worry about that. [speaker002:] That's true. [speaker004:] So we can make it small if we have a l locating device. [speaker002:] If we do a voice-activated locator, though, we're gonna be looking at a more substantial chip. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] So [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Hmm. [speaker003:] So i That's the other thing, it's like [disfmarker] You know [gap] Are we gonna have certain chips that are gonna require bigger size [vocalsound] period? [speaker004:] Two double As, for this size. [speaker003:] But like, you know, if we get more complicated then it's gonna v be [disfmarker] have to be bigger to just accommodate the chip size. [speaker004:] Right. [speaker002:] Honestly, I think the customer would be kind of irritated by the fact that it has a base if we did do a nice small, compact [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Right. I agree, [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] it's either gonna be bigger with a base or smaller with just [disfmarker] [speaker003:] So we sh [speaker004:] Smaller, without [disfmarker] Yeah. [speaker001:] A battery like this guy. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Mm yeah. [speaker001:] Alright, so what direction do you want to go in? You wanna vote? [speaker004:] I think if we had a a locating device with the small one, I think that seems way more advanced. [speaker001:] I'm kind of I'm kind of leaning in the direction of this kind of [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] I'm a away from the base. [speaker001:] bigger and the base. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] 'Kay so [disfmarker] [speaker001:] That just seems so clunky and [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah, because I mean if even looking at cellphones right now, those trends the smaller the hotter it is, [speaker003:] Smaller and smaller, yeah, yeah, yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] yeah [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] The only problem with that is if you forget to take it out of your pocket and it goes in wash. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Oh. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] You're kidding. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] You know it happens. [speaker001:] Hmm. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] I've had three watches go that way too. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Oh watches I've [disfmarker] but I've never washed a cell phone. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Ouch. A phone, whoa, that would [disfmarker] wow, that would hurt. [speaker001:] Okay, so what kind of material do we want to be made out of? [speaker002:] Pieces everywhere. Well, we have lots of options. I don't think wood is a viable option. [speaker004:] Yeah wood. [speaker001:] No. [speaker003:] Well, titanium s [speaker001:] Oh what did you [disfmarker] Oh sorry, go ahead. [speaker003:] I was saying that titanium, if we're being restricted then I would probably [vocalsound] lean away from that. [speaker004:] Yeah, 'cause if it's gonna cost us more to produce a chip, titanium will be more expensive. [speaker001:] Right. [speaker002:] However, [speaker001:] What would you recommend? [speaker002:] well, we only wanna sell it for twenty five Euro [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] right? [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] 'Cause I was thinking if we wanted to get the high in market then you could produce a few in titanium, [speaker003:] That'll [disfmarker] Yeah, exactly. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker002:] make them a rarity so to speak. [speaker003:] The selling point, yeah. [speaker004:] We could do that, because all our research shows that people are definitely willing to spend more if [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Are we restricted by this? [speaker002:] Yeah. Well the original [disfmarker] [speaker001:] I I think we should just focus on one design and one concept right now.I'm [speaker003:] Twenty five Euros [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] not sure that we'll have the time and money to [vocalsound] produce a whole array of [speaker003:] [gap] [speaker001:] remotes. If this was a successful remote, we might then produce a higher end version of it, I think. [speaker002:] Yeah. Good plan. [speaker004:] Good plan. [speaker001:] Okay, so we wanna go for plastic, or what would you recommend for materials? [speaker002:] Honestly I'd recommend like um [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Hmm. [speaker002:] uh since we're going with batteries instead of solar power, I'd recommend maybe a uh soft like latex, [speaker001:] [gap] [speaker002:] because we could produce, you know how cellphones have those overlays that you can change the colour. We could do uh one that fits in with the trends of the year so, [speaker004:] Oh. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. Mm. [speaker002:] because this year is all fruit, [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] God only knows why, [speaker004:] Yeah, who knows. [speaker002:] um we could do f a cherry cover for this year and then i if next year is stripes or solids, you know [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] So you're talking about like when it leaves our salesroom then it's all gonna be cherry-coloured or is it gonna be the kinda thing where people come back and swap it? [speaker004:] O or we could like take off this. [speaker001:] They could buy cases, maybe, [speaker002:] They could come back. And buy the extra case. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker001:] if they wanted. I think it's good to sell a basic thing and then sell options. [speaker002:] So we could do like a b a hard base plastic, and then we could [vocalsound] give two latex covers to start. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] The [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker003:] what the top face, right? [speaker001:] Okay. Okay. [speaker004:] Yeah, because the soft latex definitely is squishy. That's in. Well I mean squishier than like, yeah, just a hard plastic. [speaker001:] Right. Right. Okay, and what kind of chip would we need for this guy? [speaker002:] How complicated [disfmarker] Are we gonna go with the voice activated [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] I don't think we should do voice, I think we should just do um the recognition for when it's lost, you know. [speaker003:] A tracker, yeah. [speaker001:] [gap] could we [disfmarker] Yeah. [speaker004:] 'Cause that uh [disfmarker] what it type of, yeah, for voice activation would it be like a certain term what we would say like, [speaker001:] Hmm. [speaker004:] because people could just be talking and we don't want it going off all the time. [speaker001:] Right. [speaker004:] So uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Well, we could give it a specific code, you know, remote missing. [speaker004:] Ooh. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Uh see I'm uh I'm strangely attracted to it, because I know that's [disfmarker] it's definitely gonna be big, because it's, I don't know, it's just so high-tech. [speaker003:] Well, my little sister got [disfmarker] for Christmas she got one of those key finders that's like a key-ring, and you have to whistle in a certain frequency for it to work. [speaker002:] Yeah, see that would just irritate me. [speaker003:] And then she would laugh and it would start going off in her purse, and you couldn't turn it off. [speaker001:] Oh dear. [speaker004:] Oh, [speaker003:] So it became highly irritating. [speaker004:] then maybe voice [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] maybe voice activation won't be good. [speaker002:] So I think having a key-phrase is much better. [speaker001:] Okay. Alright. But it's not gonna be voice activated in the fact that you would say, channel up, and it would work, right? [speaker004:] Yeah, n n no, we just want it to be a finder. [speaker003:] But then it [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Just a [disfmarker] [speaker002:] No. [speaker001:] Okay, alright. [speaker003:] Hmm. Okay. [speaker004:] But do [disfmarker] can your [disfmarker] can the department make [disfmarker] [speaker002:] That would be like a mid-class um [disfmarker] Yeah. [speaker004:] Oh, brilliant then. [speaker002:] So we don't actually have to go for [disfmarker] Well, if they've just developed the sample sensor, sample speaker, it's a brand new chip. Why not introduce it in this way? [speaker001:] No. [speaker004:] Yeah, good point. [speaker001:] Mm 'kay. Uh and what size batteries, double A, triple A? [speaker004:] I think triple A, it'll be lighter. [speaker001:] Two? Could it run off of two [disfmarker] [speaker004:] I mean more more come in a package. [speaker003:] Well, that depends on what the energy is needed. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] I think, well, we could d r do two or we could do one small lithium, 'cause you know the lithium batteries are doing quite well in most other electronic products, right? So they're more widely available now. And they also have a longer battery life than most batteries. [speaker001:] They're more expensive though, too. [speaker002:] But if you only have to replace it every five years. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker004:] That's a good point. [speaker001:] Thoughts anybody? [speaker003:] As long as we sell it with it. [speaker002:] Well, how about a initial, you get one battery when you buy it, 'cause I'm pretty sure we can get them pretty cheap on bulk. [speaker003:] Right, that's what I meant. [speaker004:] We could think about it and come back to it next meeting. [speaker001:] Okay. Yeah. Alright. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] We still have one more meeting. [speaker001:] Okay. So we've covered that first category, User Interface Concept, meaning design. [speaker003:] What's it gonna [disfmarker] Yeah, what's it gonna look like. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] Um. [speaker001:] I ki I kind of [vocalsound] like your idea about the retro phone dial, and that [disfmarker] the central button could have, maybe our logo on it? It might be the four way scroll, too. [speaker004:] Yeah, it could be whatever, [speaker001:] I mean if [disfmarker] Yeah. [speaker004:] as long as there's something big in the middle, because like the old phones, there's like that just like piece of metal or like a picture or something in the middle. [speaker001:] Yeah. Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] Well, my issue with that is if it got too big though, 'cause if you have the circle and the button in the middle, then is it gonna get wider than your your hands are, [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker004:] Oh, that's true. [speaker003:] because w And then would the buttons be too small if it was enough to fit on it? [speaker004:] Good point. [speaker002:] In the sample ones that you showed us there was one that had the scroll buttons on the side, [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] which I think if we make it curved like a hand like a hand-shape like if we put the the scroll-button on the side, [speaker001:] Oh, I see what you mean. [speaker002:] that could be particularly useful. [speaker001:] I think so. [speaker004:] So scroll buttons on the side and then buttons on top? [speaker001:] Yeah, I like that. 'Kay. [speaker004:] But we definitely [disfmarker] If we have scroll things on the side, we definitely have to have 'em labelled. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker004:] Yeah, like on the side of it. [speaker002:] Well, if it's just up and down [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Oh if it's just up and down. [speaker003:] But is that for [disfmarker] [gap] [speaker002:] Volume or channel. [speaker003:] Which? [speaker002:] [vocalsound] I don't know. [speaker004:] Well, you could do some on both sides. [speaker003:] Do we have both sides? [speaker001:] Can we? [speaker002:] Mm yeah. We should probably make it that you have to depress it to activate it then, [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] So that you're just not holding it and it changes the chan [speaker002:] 'cause oth [vocalsound] otherwise you're not just holding it and going like this, you know. [speaker004:] That's squishy. That's squishy. [speaker003:] Well, the other option is in instead of a scroll you just have the buttons up on the side which are on the side. [speaker004:] [gap] have buttons. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah, [gap] that. [speaker001:] Hmm. 'Kay any other ideas? [speaker003:] Um what colour? [speaker001:] Oh, yeah. Latex covers. W [speaker002:] [vocalsound] We have to make sure that logo always sticks out when we put the latex covers on, so we'll have to like have a little square or something, so that the our logo's available. [speaker003:] Well I sort of like having the a yellow strip at the bottom with the RR like that. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] And that's at the bottom of it. [speaker001:] I think maybe we should do it on a b button itself though, because if people are able to change the covers, [speaker003:] Which button? [speaker001:] I don't know, maybe the on-off button, something, some [disfmarker] the menu button, I don't know, but you know if we're gonna put our company logo on there and somebody could just get another one. Are they all gonna have our company logo on them? Every cover? [speaker002:] Yeah, I don't think we should do that, because that would just be icky. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] So I think maybe putting it on a button is probably a good idea. [speaker001:] If we want it to be visible and [disfmarker] Um are all those [disfmarker] those one that you showed where they were um s met silver-metallic looking? [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] But those are plastic, right? [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] They're not titanium. I kind of like that look. Uh but, or if it was really [disfmarker] [speaker002:] For our base one? [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah, for the base or if we're going for the retro look, I think, like a really shiny black would be cool. [speaker004:] Yeah, [speaker001:] What are your thoughts? [speaker004:] or like a gun-metal grey, [speaker001:] Gun-metal gray. [speaker004:] 'cause then it combines the silver and the black. [speaker001:] There you go, gun-metal gray. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] I'm just really wary of the putting anything on a button. [speaker001:] Why? [speaker002:] It'll wear off. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] What's the button [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah, buttons wear off. [speaker003:] Well, w w then what's the button do, [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker003:] and how do you know that that is what the button does? I guess. Just looking at examples, y you just don't ever see the logo on a button, it's always on the actual casing. [speaker001:] Right. [speaker004:] Hmm. [speaker002:] There's nothing saying that we have to put the logo on the front of the actual [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] But we want it to be seen. [speaker001:] On the back? [speaker003:] But you don't [disfmarker] [speaker001:] It d visible [disfmarker] [speaker003:] But uh, yeah, you don't see it. [speaker004:] We need it to be seen. [speaker001:] Visibility though [disfmarker] 'Cause if it was only on the back really the only time you're gonna see it is when you drop it or when you're changing the battery. [speaker003:] Well, hang on. The other option is [vocalsound], I don't know if you can see it but it's like if [disfmarker] [speaker001:] I can find it again. [speaker003:] Yeah, it's like the second to last slide. [speaker001:] Okay. And yours was called Interface Concept? [speaker003:] Interface, yeah. [speaker001:] This one? [speaker003:] Yeah. Um. [speaker001:] Well, for some reason I can't get it to just go to that slide directly. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Okay, it's the very right one. You see at the bottom, it's kind of difficult to see, but you have like a d sort of s division between the bottom like, where the logo is, and if we have the replaceable section, it's like the top. It doesn't necessarily replace the entire top. [speaker001:] Mm [speaker003:] And so you have that one piece that stays and the rest just sort of clips in. [speaker001:] Okay, yes [speaker003:] If c you envisioning it? And so that stays the same when you have the logo, [speaker001:] yes. [speaker003:] and then you have this s slip that kinda clips in and that's the bit that changes. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] The only problem is we're using a latex overlay so [gap] it actually would go over top of everything and have holes for the buttons, [speaker003:] Hmm. [speaker002:] so I was thinking maybe instead of doing that what we could do is leave a space for where the logo should be. [speaker003:] Yeah. Yeah, yeah. [speaker001:] Like a little cut-out kind of [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Right. That's like, you know, [gap] a a cellphone it's like the the screen is always just left opened. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] Right. [speaker003:] And so, what we are gonna do it like bright yellow with the RR? [speaker004:] Yeah. Some of tho [speaker001:] Anybody see anything that they liked in these ones? [speaker004:] Well, some of those buttons though are blue-based. Um well, a lot of those buttons are blue-based. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker004:] Well, kind of. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker004:] Um and then if v we do have them illuminate upon contact, they could illuminate yellow. [speaker003:] Yellow. [speaker001:] Yellow, I like that idea. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Like if we [vocalsound] like the one all the way on the left, uh you ca you can see it on your computer better. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker004:] Um where the button is actually blue, but the number itself is clear or white or whatever so if you pressed it would illuminate yellow. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker004:] So we'd have blue and yellow for the touch buttons. [speaker003:] Oh, that one. [speaker001:] I like the yellow illumination idea, very good. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Okay. Any other ideas or thoughts? We all seem to be fairly in agreement about what we wanna do with this project so [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Um. Ha hang on [gap] [vocalsound] Let me catch up. [speaker004:] Mm yeah. [speaker001:] 'Kay. [speaker003:] Did we finalise what buttons we're including or we [gap] just everything that we said before? [speaker001:] I think there will be time for that later. I'm guessing. 'Kay, well we're gonna wrap this up. Um next meeting is gonna start in thirty minutes, and here's what we're each of us going to do. The ID is going to do the look and feel design, the UID the user interface design. I think you're going to get a lot of, I mean, the final say on what buttons get put [disfmarker] We'll all talk about it, but I think, that's pretty much what you're gonna do, right? [speaker003:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] I guess. 'Kay. And you're gonna do some product evaluation. Okay, and right now, the ID and UID, you two are going to work together on a prototype using modelling clay. [speaker002:] Great. Play Doh. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker003:] Fun. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Okay, and you should all be getting an email pretty soon. Alright. Well, thank you for a very productive meeting. [speaker002:] Wonderful Ooh.

[speaker003:] Oops That's as far as it goes [vocalsound]. [speaker001:] Hi guys uh good morning everybody here. And uh I want to introduce myself, uh my name is uh Shrida Daseri and uh I'm a project manager for this new project which we are going to discuss now. So I want to introduce first of all uh the names and the colleagues here. And what you're uh drawing? [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Uh sure my name is Agnes and I'm an user [disfmarker] usability user interface designer. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] My name is Ed and I do accounting. [speaker001:] Uh how you spell your name uh? [speaker004:] ED. [speaker001:] ED okay. [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker001:] And? [speaker003:] Do you also do marketing? [speaker004:] [vocalsound] No [vocalsound]. [speaker001:] So only accounting? [speaker004:] Accounting, yes. [speaker001:] Okay. And? [speaker003:] And I'm Christine, [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] and my role in this uh scenario is to be the industrial designer. [speaker001:] Industrial designer. [speaker003:] But I'm not really one. [speaker001:] So who is uh marketing, nobody in the market [speaker004:] Marketing is uh, is me [vocalsound]. [speaker001:] It's you, okay. So thanks for coming for the meeting first of all, and uh we have a long time, just twenty-five minutes to discuss about uh this project and the the project initiation. First of all I want to ask uh Mister Ed about your uh marketing plan and your product plan and uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Well I think that we'll see that throughout the day in how we're going to put this together as a marketing to to market the product. We'll have to see on a through discussion on where we're gonna go from here and from [disfmarker] with this. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm but uh do you already have like a functional design or a technical design or [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Uh for the moment not yet. [speaker001:] Oh for the moment not yet, okay, but uh what's what's your uh [disfmarker] do you have some project plan, something with you or [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Good question [vocalsound]. No, this is like I said that we have to be discussed between all of us and we'll go from there. We'll have to [disfmarker] simply we'll have to work on it together. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. Okay, so uh by when you think you can uh give me some kind of uh project plan, okay, a discussion with uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Certainly by the next meeting. [speaker001:] By next meeting, okay that will be great. Uh Okay, so there's any questions or uh first of all about uh this project? [speaker003:] What is the goal of the project? [speaker001:] Uh the goal of the project I think maybe I'll uh hand out to the Ed, okay, [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] so to explain uh what is the project because he's in the sales and the accounting. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] I'm in the sales I'm supposed to explain them what to do [vocalsound]. We have to define exactly what our product is, from uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yes, so can you explain uh what exactly the product is? [speaker004:] From what I had in mind we're supposed to be marketing coffee, is that right? [speaker001:] Oh I think uh, if I'm not wrong, we're making the remote control. [speaker002:] Um I was wondering [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Remote controls, 'cause I had two different things. I had a first part of mine was to make a remote control for a new f remote control for television, and afterward I had a discussion about coffee so [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yes. [speaker004:] we'll start with the remote control for television then. So we're have to design something that is very user friendly. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] Something uh visual that has something that will will draw people to buy the product, [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] because I think everybody's experienced with uh remote controls, and some remote controls are are worth uh throwing out the window. Uh th most of them ar I don't know we're have to come up with a new idea on how to make it a lot easier to use, [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] 'cause a lot of times uh spend uh half a day through the instruction book trying to figure out how to use it. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] And uh what abo uh Christine, what about your uh the industrial design plan? Are you have a design already on this product or uh you're still working on the design? [speaker003:] Um no, I I have not begun working on the design, [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] and um I uh I actually didn't know we were designing a remote control, I thought we were designing a new monitor. Um the website I went to look at had some announcements about an introduction of a um uh some sort of a seven inch um monitor, and um I understood that that was the project goal. So um I'm glad I didn't d do any work um ahead of time because uh I clearly didn't understand the project goal. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] Um I just did s see that we were starting a new project together and there was going to be a four member team composed of these people, and um that's about uh that's [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] and I I read through the different steps, and what my responsibilities were relative to the steps. [speaker001:] So uh you'll be leading the team for your design team or how many members is working in the team, for the design? [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Uh for the industrial design? [speaker001:] Yes. [speaker003:] Um well, I would th think that depends on how much money you give us. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Okay. That's [gap] [speaker003:] Um because uh, you know, you can uh you can make it uh [disfmarker] [vocalsound] you have different choices with different financial models. [speaker001:] Yeah, but uh before we talk about uh the finance, okay, uh do you have some idea how we can uh sell this product or project in the market and how much is going to benefit to the company and uh of course it's to the individual also. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Well, you know um, I kind of think that in general you have to do uh um y you have to have something that's very fashionable, that's uh very attractive [disfmarker] that um people see and recognize uh its goal, and uh they immediately wanna have it uh have one of their own. So it would [disfmarker] really would need to um [disfmarker] [vocalsound] something like the iPod would be good, seems to have caught on fairly well, so um d uh [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] you know, I don't care what it does, just so it looks cool. [speaker001:] Okay, but uh uh when you think you can give me like a kind of design on the functional design or the technical design? [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Well, uh I've got a lot of other projects I'm doing right now um and so I'll have to wait and see how those uh how those go. If they uh go quickly then uh it could be a month. If um if I run into any problems in my other projects it might be six months. [speaker001:] Yeah, but uh I need something in the writing, so like uh what's your functional design, what's your technical design, and uh how many people you need for this project, and what's the time frame you're looking, okay, and what is the budget, maybe uh initial budget you're looking, okay, and uh how is going to the market, okay, [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] so you've you've had to meet with the marketing team and how they're going to market and what are the marketing strategic plan, okay, when are you going to introduce, okay, and by the time you introduce the product and uh you know there there would be a competition, okay, so I need some kind of uh uh the plan in the writing from you. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] And when would you like that? [speaker001:] Okay, and it's po B as soon as possible. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Uh well if uh if we have enough time uh then d do you think um two weeks is a [disfmarker] is close enough? [speaker001:] Yes I think uh that would be good, because I need to go to the management and uh tell them what we are going to do, and uh what cost is, okay, and what's the time frame and what's the project plan, because uh without any uh documentations, I cannot go to the management and say, so we are going to do this and we need this much money, okay, so then it's it's difficult for me to say, okay, that's the reason I need uh some kind of plan from you, initially, okay, then we can have the further discussion again. [speaker003:] Uh [vocalsound] are there other people who will be contributing to the plan? [speaker001:] Yes, of course, if you need some help, uh so let me know. So, who are the people you need uh from the marketing or uh the technical side or uh the administration point of view, okay, to add in any documentation, or some technical point of view, [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] so just let me know so I can uh coordinate all the teams. [speaker003:] Okay, I'll get back to you on that. [speaker001:] Yes. Thank you. Okay. And uh Ed uh so what's [disfmarker] what do you think about uh this uh project for the remote control and d do you have some already planned something for your marketing strategy or uh the sales strategy? [speaker004:] Well not yet other than uh doing research and taking remote controls and looking what other companies have to do uh, what they're building, their designs, their ideas, [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Hmm. [speaker004:] uh also have to pinpoint which market we're gonna go into. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] It should be a fairly large market because uh the number of people that uh [disfmarker] the competition, [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] uh th I agree it has to be something [disfmarker] it has to be something new, it has to be something that that draws people saying eh, I like this. Whether it works or not, they have to first say I like this, I like the design, and then it's gotta be simple to use. [speaker001:] Yes, so what I uh prefer maybe uh you need to interact uh more with the Christine, okay, because you know what she is going to do it, okay, and you know how to sell it. Okay, because uh she is doing the design, but you are the core because you are in the marketing, okay, [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] so because you need to sell [disfmarker] and you're the responsible for the all the money, the finance, okay, tomorrow. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] So, what I prefer, okay, so you need to interact with the Christine more and uh within her team, okay, who is using the functional design or technical design, okay, [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] and uh you need to come up with some kind of plan, okay, how we are going to do the [disfmarker] your sales plan, okay, [speaker004:] Do we already have a cost limit on this, th an idea of how much uh we want to market this for, how much it's gonna sell for, [speaker001:] th Th That [disfmarker] that's [speaker004:] that's up that's up to us to decide, eh? [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yes, that's [disfmarker] you have to decide, okay, so the best thing is you [disfmarker] uh both of uh the Christine and you discuss with yourself, okay, and come up with the cost, and how we are going to compete in the market, okay, in the the technically, or in the sales wise, okay, the commercial wise, okay. Then uh we have to design, okay, how long it will take the whole project, okay, how much is going to cost us, and how much we are going to benefit for the company. Okay, of course it's it's uh of benefit for everybody individually. Okay, so I think it's uh maybe if we can uh give me some kind of your uh the sales plan, okay, including the technical what uh she's going to talk to you within the team, okay, then it will help me to discuss with the management for further, okay, and put it in the the proper project plan. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Very good. [speaker001:] Okay, and if you need uh any coordination in between uh compared to the maybe the some technical vendors or commercial vendors, okay, depends if you want to have some uh uh marketing plan or technical plan, okay, so you let me know. Okay, I can coordinate, [speaker004:] Very good. [speaker001:] or maybe uh, you are my coordinator, am I right? [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] Between uh all the coor [speaker002:] Well, no, not exactly. I mean my job from what I understood was to look at the usability requirements and make sure that the product is usable, it's acceptable to the people who are gonna use it and look at the best ways to do that. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] So I think I'll have to interact with Christine and discuss with her, so that she's not designing something that my studies will show right off the bat that it's not going to work, [speaker001:] Th Christine, yeah [vocalsound]. Which is [disfmarker] [speaker002:] and so it's sort of [disfmarker] it's a loop that feeds in, but I don't think necessarily that I'm in a coordinating position for it. [speaker001:] Yes. Yeah, so basically you need to interact with Christine more, okay, for the user acceptability, okay, and the testing, okay, [speaker002:] Yeah. Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] then you will [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Which will also feed into the marketing, [speaker001:] Yes. [speaker002:] because depending on what users want, depends on how you sell it, what tag lines you attach to it, how you try to make it more attractive to users. [speaker001:] Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. [speaker002:] So I think all three groups will need to interact quite a bit. Um, and then I guess build the plan based on all of that, because I think you need to take all the factors into account. [speaker001:] Yep. But what I request, okay, [gap] keep Ed in the loop, okay, in between your uh meeting and Christine meeting, because uh he should know what's happening. [speaker002:] Yeah, of course [vocalsound]. Yeah, we can CC him on any discussions or documents that are passed around. [speaker001:] Yes. Okay and please please copy all the mails, okay, all the discussions to me, okay, [speaker002:] Sure. [speaker001:] so I need to submit to the management. [speaker002:] No problem. [speaker001:] So any questions for uh time being? [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] No. [speaker002:] So, the immediate next step is to start determining the functional design, or [speaker001:] Yes. [speaker002:] [disfmarker] okay. [speaker001:] Okay. To come up with the functional design and uh to discuss with Ed, okay, and how it's going to be work, and uh first of all with your user acceptance, okay, how it looks like and how it's going to be work in the market, okay, [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] so then we can discuss about uh further things. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] So, we'll meet when the [disfmarker] we'll discuss on the further meeting. It's okay? [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Thanks for coming. [speaker003:] Would you mind um at the conclusion of our meeting could could you send us a copy of your slides? [speaker001:] Yes, I will. Yes. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm, yeah, that would be useful. [speaker001:] I'll copy, uh le let us keep all the emails and all the copies, okay, share each other, okay, so you know everybody what's happening, okay? [speaker002:] Sure. [speaker001:] And if anything you need anytime so please either you can call me, or just send me email, or uh just come and uh knock my door, okay, so I'm available here. It's good? [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] Okay, thanks for coming and uh I wish you a nice time then. [speaker003:] Thank you. [speaker002:] Thanks. Thank you. [speaker001:] Okay, see you later. Bye.

[speaker004:] Hello. [speaker001:] [gap]. [gap]. [speaker004:] Yes, I made it. English from now on [vocalsound]. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [gap]. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Drawing or [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah just testing. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Mm? [speaker003:] Just kidding. [speaker001:] English. [gap]. [speaker003:] So annoying. [speaker001:] Break is over. [speaker004:] Ooh it works. [speaker001:] Whoo. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Spicy. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Spicy. [speaker004:] Where are are all the other presentations? [speaker003:] I just put it in the in the shared folder so it should be [disfmarker] [speaker004:] The conceptual or [disfmarker] [speaker003:] yeah I think so. Yeah, conceptual design. [speaker004:] Ah. Because I see only my own presentation [vocalsound] [gap] [speaker003:] What or whatever does it [disfmarker] No no no, [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] can you go back one? [speaker004:] yeah. [speaker003:] Uh 'cause it has to be PowerPoint pre yeah components design, that's it. [speaker004:] This? [gap] I'll just put it in there. [speaker001:] So, he's coming. [speaker003:] [gap]. [vocalsound] I did get a bit more done than the last time, [speaker004:] Or not. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] Oh okay. [speaker003:] 'cause I knew that I didn't have time so I just copy and paste everything into the [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Ah, I can't cut and paste it into the other folder but [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Ah. She [gap]. You can look at the final report, 'cause I have to record everything we are deciding and such, so I'm trying to write it down between everything else. [speaker004:] Move to meeting room. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Sometimes I have these pop-ups or these sounds and there's nothing there, [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Oh. [speaker003:] and also with [disfmarker] I don't know how to use PowerPoint, so it takes me forever to get something done with it. [speaker004:] Yeah me too, [gap]. [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] I I've got the same problem as well. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. Here we go again. Welcome. Uh we have again three presentations and then we have to decide on what concepts the mobile phone has to uh [disfmarker] f the remote control has to support. [speaker003:] Thi [speaker001:] So who wants go. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] Yes. [speaker003:] Who wants to start? [speaker001:] Yes? [speaker004:] Me first again or [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah sure. Doesn't matter. [speaker002:] Oh. No. Yeah. No problem [speaker004:] yeah. Alright. Did you open it already or [disfmarker] [speaker001:] No. [speaker004:] no. Ah. Ah. Yes. So welcome to the marketing presentation once again. Um this time about trendwatching. [vocalsound] Uh well there has been inv investigation again, in the in the remote control market. Uh it shows a number of developments. Uh I will address them uh in a moment. Um fashion watch watchers uh have detected the trends for young public, because that's our public. Um well fruit and vegetables will be will be the most important theme for clothing, uh shoes and furniture. And the feel of the material is expected to be spongey. So um the developments I will address them [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] oh yeah well this is the fruit and vegetables looks of fresh bright colours. So to give you an idea. Um well the developments? Uh development one. [vocalsound] Uh well most important aspect for remote control happens to be a fancy look-and-feel. Instead of the current uh functional look-and-feel. Um well fancy stands for an original look-and-feel of the case and the interface. And the second most important aspect is that a remote control should be technological uh innovative. Um well it stands for the use of technical features that do not exist in current remote controls. I think we pretty much covered that with our screen and um and speech recognition, [speaker003:] Sound. [speaker004:] so I don't expect that to be a problem. [speaker003:] Yeah yeah uh uh. [speaker004:] And the third development um is that the remote control should be easy to use. Um [disfmarker] Well the first aspect uh was twice as important as the second aspect,w which was twice as important as the third aspect. So um that kind of gets you this ratios. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] So fancy look-and-feel uh is the most important uh point of attention. [speaker001:] [gap]. [speaker004:] Uh so the fruits and vegetables in combination with the spongey material. Um well technolog technological innovation, we've covered that pretty much I guess. Um and easy to use, I don't think that will be problem. So my point of attention is especially this part. That this will be a crux. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] So that was the marketing uh presentation. I had only one document left. [speaker003:] And shall I go first? [speaker002:] Yeah. No. I I don't mi I don't mind. [speaker003:] So I [disfmarker] [speaker002:] That's [disfmarker] [speaker004:] So kind of this [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yeah yeah sure. No. [speaker003:] Yeah? [speaker002:] Do you want to go first? Okay. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] So a k a small example. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker004:] Kind of this this look. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Uh nothing about the buttons but just sponge kind of thing, and and some fruit and colours [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] I dunno. [vocalsound] Just made a quick design. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Cool. [speaker002:] It's better than than my uh drawing. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Alright. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yeah you're just the user interface hmm? [speaker003:] Alright. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yeah okay but I have to design the [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Uh components. [speaker001:] Yeah layout. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Oh no. [speaker001:] Yeah okay. [speaker004:] Yeah. It's okay. [speaker001:] You probably opened it. [speaker003:] Yeah true. Um [disfmarker] [speaker001:] F five. [speaker004:] F five. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Alright. So [vocalsound] I'm dealing with the components design. Um let's see. I uh used some design examples we had uh from similar products. And I used uh possibilities from our manufacturing department about current components which will have to be implemented in the design. That's why I had to, wanted to go first. Well they gave me um an idea about what people want. We're f mainly focusing on this group, but I want to make the distinction clear. Uh I could not drag the pictures into the the slides so s so I don't have examples of how it looks like. But it comes down to what you uh what you think we should do with the spongey and the fruity looking uh type. If you, the young dynamic people want soft primary colours uh, which looks like fruits you know, you can [disfmarker] and shapes that are curved and not uh solid straight lines anymore. So this basically um yeah goes on to what you were mentioning earlier. There is a lot of um [vocalsound] factors involved in choosing the components. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] There's a lot of options that we have to discuss. Uh for example the energy source. we have four types. The basic battery. Uh we have a hand dynamo, which we yeah we Dutch refer to it as the kneipgatt. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Uh the kinetic provision of energy which means if you move the thing, if you shake it. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Which will be fun for toddlers right, if they wanna use the [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] And uh of course solar cells. But I dunno how we would use that into the design of the actual product. [speaker004:] Wi an indoors. [speaker003:] So uh my [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Oh. [speaker001:] Yeah okay. [speaker003:] yeah also also in you know countries where there's n isn't much light like in Scandinavia, they wouldn't be y able to use it half of the year you know. [speaker001:] Calculator's can do it. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] So that's not cool either. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] So um [vocalsound] for the uh a case, there's uh the traditional uncurved flat hard case. Single curved, which means that it has uh curves in one dimension. Or the double curved. Um [vocalsound] I wasn't able to finish my uh personal preferences sheet, but well you know that we will have to go for the double curved 'cause it's daring and different from what we have now. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Uh the case materials. Well we have all kinds of hard uh materials like the the hard plastic, the wood and the titanium. I would definitely go for rubber 'cause it fits most in what people wanna see nowadays. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Um poo, this is a lot of text. I wasn't able to organise this yet. We have yeah several uh interface designs. Uh we can use a scroll buttons for the menus, but we already kind of decided to go for the f for the pushbuttons, for the the arrow buttons. [speaker002:] Yeah. Pushbuttons. Yeah. [speaker003:] So that's not really interesting. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Electronics? Yeah, [vocalsound] maybe we wanna decide on what electronics to use [gap] the advanced chip I think is easiest to implement uh for the production, 'cause they they can print it better. Um [disfmarker] Yeah. I think this is about it. Yeah I was working on some per personal preferences. I first uh chose for the battery, 'cause yeah I'm traditional and that's the most obvious, easiest choice to go to. But I really think that we should maybe uh think about the kinetic energy, where you have to move the thing to be able to use it. [speaker002:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] As an optional uh feature. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Or combine uh both with a with one uh [speaker004:] I guess we can only choose one. [speaker001:] Uh I think you can only fit one uh source of energy on the [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah maybe we [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker003:] I can imagine that the kinetic uh type energy source would be more expensive to make. But it is more longlasting, that the people don't have to ever buy batteries again. [speaker004:] Yeah. And it's more fun. [speaker001:] Yeah I didn't receive any info uh. [speaker003:] And it's also more fun yeah. I always chuck my uh remote control around, so [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah, just playing with it [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] and [disfmarker] especially when the material's rubber. It can be done, I mean, you can't harm it, [speaker001:] S yeah it's safe. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] And throw it [gap]. [speaker003:] Yeah y exactly. [speaker004:] so it's a perfect combination I guess. [speaker003:] You don't have to be scared about bouncing it off the g floor and breaking it or whatever. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker003:] So that's the end of it. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] So [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Uh go ahead. [speaker001:] 'Kay next. [speaker004:] So double curved is like this, this, this, or [disfmarker] [speaker003:] No it means curved in two dimensions. So uh w single curved? Uh let's say would be a b square box, but then with curves on one dimension. [speaker004:] Mm. Yeah. [speaker003:] And double curved would means that it would have curves curves in every direction. Like three D. Yeah. [speaker004:] Also in in height? [speaker001:] Uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah okay. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Can we uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] One one uh very important thing I was uh yeah thinking about is the speech uh option. We were going to use that. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. So um [disfmarker] [vocalsound] Yeah um yeah that's one thing uh which I'm not sure uh of how to implement it uh into the remote control. [speaker003:] Design? [speaker001:] Well the visual representation is not there with speech [speaker002:] No okay but it has to be combined with with the menu uh for functions and [disfmarker] [speaker001:] but you can [disfmarker] Yeah. [speaker002:] So okay. [speaker001:] Just [disfmarker] yeah. I think you can just uh match the speech commands with the functions that are already present. [speaker002:] Yeah. Okay. [speaker001:] So I don't think you have to design anything else for that. [speaker004:] Yeah with the programme. [speaker002:] But do uh j do we uh do the speech just for the basic options, for the simple buttons? [speaker001:] Both. [speaker002:] For for everything, also for the advanced options? Okay. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Uh we have this [gap] very uh basic uh trendy design. Everybody says it so that's what's uh [disfmarker] yeah um [disfmarker] Yeah in the in the last uh meeting we uh we were yeah putting the the simple and the advanced options separated. That's yeah obvious. Um yeah. Pressing the the menu option uh will disable uh all other options on your uh remote control. And only the the LCD panel will uh light up and then you can only uh change the yeah the options. [speaker004:] And and the and the buttons that you need to control it, I guess. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Um yeah design has to be very attractive but that's your your op your [disfmarker] yeah. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [gap] [vocalsound] you have to uh delete this but this is the the the simple uh layout. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Uh display on the upper side with the the menu button and maybe a some sort of cancel button or save button. [speaker001:] That would be the back. [speaker002:] I'm [disfmarker] The back. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Back and okay. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Back and okay. [speaker002:] Back and okay yeah. Uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] You did read the minutes I wrote? [speaker002:] What? [speaker001:] You did read the minutes I wrote? [speaker002:] A little bit I think but not not everything w [speaker003:] I [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Oh okay 'cause I pretty much summed up all the buttons there were. So [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Okay. Oh [vocalsound] I uh didn't read that. [speaker001:] I hate doing work for nothing. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] But [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] But this is the the basic uh design uh for the for the m yeah for the buttons. Um [disfmarker] I wanted to to categorise everything. Uh with a speech display uh yeah, sound, everything you you noted in your uh minutes. Um every pushbutton has uh has its own uh LED light. So you can uh yeah change uh m make it more trendy for for younger people. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] And uh if there are older people they wanted more uh yeah more uh luxurous [disfmarker] so that's an a also an option. Um that was it. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] That was it? [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker001:] Okay. Uh [disfmarker] [gap] again. Ugh. [vocalsound] Okay so what we have to decide is what kind of components do we use? Uh energy source, chip type, case type. And user interface. But I didn't see a clear distinction between these so I think what we have is okay. So we only, we already decided that kinetic would be the choice for energy. [speaker004:] No. [speaker001:] Uh the case would be doubly curved. So [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Rubber material. [speaker003:] And rubber. Rubber material. [speaker001:] Rubber material. And that's the only thing we have left. [speaker003:] Yeah we need the the chip on print to be able to support the the screen and uh and f audio function. [speaker001:] Oh okay. No it's easy. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] So that's uh [disfmarker] is that is that the advanced chip? [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker001:] Advanced chip. Okay. [speaker004:] Wow. [speaker003:] Otherwise you would have a simple chip, just for pressing buttons. But we need more. [speaker004:] Yeah. Alright. Kinetic. Double curved. [speaker003:] I'm just thinking, this is not my department, but I I'm not sure what this is gonna cost, [speaker001:] Too [gap]. [speaker003:] to be able to m [speaker001:] Uh I didn't get any info on this. So [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [gap]. [speaker003:] So 'cause we need to sell it for twenty five Euro a piece. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker003:] That's gonna be difficult huh? [speaker004:] The cost of making it should be twelve and a half? [speaker001:] I have total here. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah yeah yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah I don't know. I didn't get any information about that so [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [gap]. We're going to produce it in uh China so it's no problem. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Child labour man, we love it. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah, so it's cheap. [speaker001:] Who doesn't. Uh let's see. Is there a new thing? [speaker004:] Um well the interface type supplements. [speaker001:] Yeah the interface, maybe can [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Uh it's it's quite difficult because we we haven't got all the options uh [disfmarker] yeah. [speaker001:] Ooh. No. Uh do you have a picture of doubly curved case? And could you put that in the group folder? Of the project folder. [speaker003:] Um let me see. Wait a sec. [speaker004:] If you go to your homepage or something, you should [speaker003:] Yeah I'm going there now. [speaker004:] get your own information. [speaker003:] Inspiration. [speaker004:] I got my fresh and fyoo fruity uh picture uh also uh over there, so [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Ah you didn't draw it yourself. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Well [disfmarker] [speaker004:] No. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Ah. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Too less time. [speaker003:] Um [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah, also the menu. [speaker003:] yeah maybe it's [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah that that w [speaker002:] Yeah. This is the the menu I was uh looking uh at. [speaker004:] Yeah. Yeah I was thinking of that also, with with a with a uh arrow. [speaker003:] Maybe it's easier [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Arrow. [speaker002:] Arrow yeah. [speaker004:] So that indicates that there's an menu under that menu. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. Yeah perfect. [speaker004:] So [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] [gap]. [speaker003:] Maybe it's easier if you guys come over here. [speaker001:] 'S the target group. [speaker002:] S yeah. [speaker003:] S see this is the the the standard traditional type, where the form uh yeah serves the function, you know. [speaker004:] Oh yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah sure. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] It's like really basic. But this m is more appealing to old people and we don't want that. [speaker001:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] This is what we're looking for. And th that means curved in both dire dire uh dimensions. [speaker001:] Oh okay. I see. [speaker003:] Not only like this but it has to be [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah also like this. So you can hold it. [speaker003:] exactly. It has to be kind of instead of the PlayStation, the module. It has to be like the the Game Cube, you know, where your thumbs would be laying in the instrument and it has to be nice to hold. And [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah. But it has also to [disfmarker] it it has also to be uh luxurous uh for for yeah rich people. Th this looks a little bit like like for only for children. So [disfmarker] [speaker003:] It ha [speaker001:] [gap]. The children's story. Yeah I've got it. [speaker003:] Yeah but that's that's the the problem uh yeah the dilemma actually, [speaker001:] Distinction. Yeah. [speaker003:] 'cause we wanna appeal to the to the young public with fancy with flashy colours, and with a lot of shape. And [disfmarker] Yeah, and the and the rubber, it it will look cheap always, [speaker002:] Yeah. The colour [disfmarker] Yeah. Okay but the the colours, you you can make it uh make the colours with [gap] LEDs uh beneath the the buttons. [speaker003:] you know, with the [disfmarker] [speaker002:] If you press a button and you can disable the the colour LEDs for for people that don't like it. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker003:] There is mobile phones, in which you can change the colour also of the lights. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Maybe we should consider this function. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] To customise it and so [disfmarker] I mean kids can make it look more flashy with different kinds of colours [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] and people who want something, you know, different, or more uh design, they can go for one colour [speaker001:] Different. Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] like uh for example this uh photo th camera. [speaker001:] Camera. [speaker004:] Yeah. [vocalsound] Cool. S underwater uh [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah submarine. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] yeah. [speaker003:] Personally I think it's really ugly. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Well [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Just give me the thing that it's inside there [gap] [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] maybe I'm too old for this stuff. [speaker002:] Very cheap uh cheap look. [speaker001:] Yeah but this this the [gap] is for the [gap]. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] So those I think are all my [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [gap]. [speaker003:] oh. [speaker001:] Ah yeah bright colours. [speaker004:] Yeah. Also a kind of rubber uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] And this is, this is with the curved that I mean. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] That's singly curved. [speaker003:] Yeah. Yeah? [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] That should be nice. [speaker001:] Well we could make a compromise between that. But I don't know if it's worth the effort. [speaker003:] A compromise between what? [speaker001:] Uh instead of doubly curved we take a single curved. So to appeal a little more to the all the public. [speaker004:] So s [speaker003:] This, this would be uh single curved uh? [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] Yeah there's only in in this dimension. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Like this. So curvy or not [gap]. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Also. [speaker003:] Yeah. [vocalsound] Exactly. Exactly. [speaker004:] Yeah so we keep it singly c single curved then? [speaker001:] Yeah that would be an option. I don't know what you think. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] I think the [disfmarker] I mean our aim is to make something different right? To make something new. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] I would go for the double curved. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] And I I'm I'm thinking uh you know uh a drawing palette, where you have the shape for your thumb. [speaker001:] Yeah I'd agree. Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] So it kind of holds nicely, something like that. [speaker002:] Yeah [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] but if you if you make it more curved we we can make more and more options for buttons. [speaker003:] Well this is really your decision but [disfmarker] [speaker002:] If you have uh it have it in your hand, you you you are not only um yeah you don't need one dimension but you can use other dimensions for pressing the the buttons. [speaker003:] Yeah. As well. You can make a trigger button or something like that. [speaker002:] Yeah. Something to shoot at your television [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah or that that is the confirmation button or something, [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] that you scroll with your thumb, with the arrows, and then confirm. [speaker002:] That's [disfmarker] yeah. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] That would be a nice way to use it but [disfmarker] I mean, yeah, I'm thinking big already, and we need something that well that [gap] that you can able to use in one hand I think. [speaker001:] Different. Stands out. Or [disfmarker] Oh yeah a one hand uh solution. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] So from top view it looks kinda like this. But from the side you you can have it also in a kind of shape. Maybe because the the screen is on top you can have [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [gap] can turn it maybe. To switch from buttons to interface hmm. If you turn it a little. [gap]. [speaker004:] Maybe you can c have this kind of shape. [speaker003:] [gap]. [speaker004:] A little upwards. So that the screen is more [speaker001:] Oh yeah. Least you can easily see it. [speaker004:] towards yourself, so you can easily see your screen. [speaker003:] How about [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Well well you have it in your hand so it's a kind of an angle from your eyes to the screen. So then you have double double curved in some way. So this this is so the screen is positioned over here. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] Oh. Something like that. And the buttons are more, well it's very thick now but [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah I understand what you mean. [speaker004:] That's uh that's [disfmarker] [speaker003:] How about we do a uh a pop-up screen, like the laptop. [speaker001:] If you can uh flip. [speaker003:] So that the only the simple functions will be visible at first. [speaker004:] Yeah? That that you can press it and then it comes up? Or [disfmarker] [speaker003:] And then if you want [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Uh so you have a the the side view. [speaker003:] Yeah. Something like that. [speaker004:] But then the side view can be straight. If you have a pop-up screen. But I dunno if that's too expensive. [speaker001:] So and you want to be able to [speaker004:] I mean maybe it's too much [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] make this [speaker003:] No uh like [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [gap]. [speaker003:] I would draw it like this. Let's say this is the side view. That you have a a screen that will come up here, and can go down that way. If you know what I mean. [speaker002:] Okay. Yeah. [speaker003:] So that it would come up like that. [speaker001:] Okay so the buttons are on top here, and you flip it over that way. [speaker003:] Yeah or [vocalsound] preferably even keep the simple buttons here, and then under the screen even you could put more more advanced buttons. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Oh the advanced buttons. Right. [speaker001:] Oh yeah. Yeah yeah yeah yeah. Right. Yeah that's good idea. [speaker002:] That's [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] the the more advanced options were uh for the for the menu. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] But you you want [disfmarker] [speaker003:] F for the LCD menu right? [speaker002:] okay. You just want to hide them all? [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] So w w [speaker002:] The [disfmarker] oh. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] No not all because you need most of them, the arrow buttons. But you can hide the okay and the back uh button. [speaker002:] Yeah yeah yeah. [speaker001:] And the menu button also because when you flip it open [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker001:] and you can maybe even drop the menu button because maybe if you flip it open it will auto activate amauto uh uh automatically. [speaker003:] Oh [disfmarker] Activate and th the [disfmarker] yeah. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] So [disfmarker] okay b but you have t you need some button to flip this open. [speaker001:] Why? You could just make it mechanical. [speaker003:] True. True. But you can make a, yeah, you can make a trigger here. You know a simple uh [disfmarker] with a [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah. [vocalsound] Yeah and it says menu and it flips open and then you have the buttons to control it, in combination with your [disfmarker] [speaker002:] That's [disfmarker] but it's it's not [speaker003:] Yeah. Exactly. [speaker002:] it's not very uh very strong uh [disfmarker] yeah if you drop it one time [gap]. [speaker004:] True. It uh c it can go open. [speaker003:] Well yeah the the idea of it was, is that because you close it, you cover the LCD screen and it won't be vulnerable to scratches or whatever. [speaker001:] If you cover it with rubber. [speaker004:] An adv an adv and it will be covered in some kind of uh thin rubber layer or something like that. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker003:] And [disfmarker] Exactly. Exactly. [speaker001:] Yeah. So it can bounce. [speaker003:] We just have to make sure that the closing mechanism won't break. [speaker004:] Yeah, uh [disfmarker] It's very no it's very strong. [speaker003:] Th it's very solid yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah okay so that that may work. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] That actually will offer some extra protection for the [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Okay but then we still have the the the thing of the the the shape. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah I was thinking, if if you have your hand, [speaker001:] What kind of [disfmarker] [speaker003:] it this is your th [speaker001:] Harder. [speaker004:] Yeah the lower part doesn't work I guess, so maybe you should try it over there. [speaker001:] [gap]. [speaker003:] Okay. If this is your thumb, and this is your hand like that. With your uh wrist. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] That you, that it would be kind of shape like this, you know. So it's easier to hold in your hand, to y f [speaker002:] But when you are left-handed, that's that's a problem. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Uh yeah. Yeah of course. Yeah then w then you would have to to make it like this. [speaker001:] Maybe can design two versions. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] But that's that's very expensive uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Like like you drew here. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] And maybe th then make this thicker also than the centre. Give it [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. And ergonomical shape. Yeah. [speaker003:] I would give it a female shape but uh yeah. Anyway. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] The female shape yeah. With two uh [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Obviously. [vocalsound] Make it more appealing to guys. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] We we could make some some rubber uh some rubber uh yeah mouse, with which you can change uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] I mean [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Oh yeah. Some uh k esk uh [disfmarker] yeah. [speaker002:] and so if you [disfmarker] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah but but that's optional for later I guess. I mean, we have to make [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah but we have hardware inside, which is [disfmarker] so it has to have some sort of basic shape. [speaker002:] Some [disfmarker] yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah we we better so choose one [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah yeah. [speaker003:] And also the screen, you cannot mould it. You know kind of thing. [speaker002:] No no no no. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah so okay we should better choose one sh one shape. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] But that's the kind of the idea, so it lays good in the hand, [speaker003:] [vocalsound] And then you can [disfmarker] [speaker004:] and then on on the side with with your thumb, [speaker003:] You can place the screen here, which can come [gap]. [speaker004:] you you can you can use, yeah, you can use the button option [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah. So the keywords are primary co colours, spongey? [speaker003:] And [disfmarker] but then I w I would [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Spongey. [speaker003:] I would do the arrows here, kind of thing. [speaker004:] Spongey can be reached by means of [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Those buttons? And the simple buttons here, [speaker002:] [gap]. [speaker003:] so that [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] And and the and the control thngs in the middle? The the the arrows? [speaker003:] I Uh y eah that's what I mean. [speaker002:] No the arrow's over here. [speaker003:] The arrows over here, [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] and here the s simple uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] and then numbers. [speaker001:] Buttons. Okay. [speaker004:] Yeah. Alright. [speaker001:] I think that uh it's a nice design. [speaker004:] Uh pretty nice design. Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] It's cool. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah it looks uh pretty fancy. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] [gap] or do we wanna make its shape look like a banana or something? [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [gap]. [speaker003:] I dunno. [speaker001:] Yeah that's [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Uh bananas [gap] wierd shape and other fruits also, so it's better to have um some sort of basic print and then a fruit print in some primary uh colours. [speaker003:] Yeah. Yeah [speaker004:] I don't know what what colours should the basic print be like? [speaker003:] we could make [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Like some soft [vocalsound] green or something? [speaker001:] Orange or something. [speaker004:] Or [disfmarker] and then [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Or blue? Dark blue or [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Oh yeah yeah, dark blue and then and then very bright, uh a yellow banana, [vocalsound] an orange, uh a green apple, stuff like that, [speaker003:] We should use [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] with very uh bright tones I guess. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker003:] Yeah w we need very primary colours, like bright red, bright yellow. [speaker004:] So you have something like [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah but the primary colours w we can uh create with the with the LEDs on the on the remote control. [speaker003:] Yeah. Yeah okay yeah. [speaker002:] If you we uh [disfmarker] yeah. If you make it uh just a yeah bl give it a blue colour, then it's just a neutral colour, [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] also for the for the more uh yeah for the [gap] people. [speaker004:] Mm. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Huh cool. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] That doesn't really work. To draw, I guess. [speaker001:] No it's [disfmarker] [gap]. [speaker004:] Oh. What's this? [speaker001:] Yeah it's text. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Right. [speaker001:] N no you have to exit. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Hm. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] You could also make line with uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] So that's [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah. Two hours further. [speaker001:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [gap] thickness. Oh. [speaker002:] So that's blue. [speaker004:] Oh. Wh why not go for the twenty? [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Mm. Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. That's what I call painting. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] Y [vocalsound] [speaker004:] So that's that's a dark blue basic colour I guess. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah and then on top of that. [speaker004:] It's pretty nice. And then uh [disfmarker] Oh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Some yellow. [speaker004:] Yeah with some some yellow banana [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Banana colour. [speaker004:] Like [disfmarker] [vocalsound]. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] And how about some uh some flashing standby lights? Like you have on the Samsung, well I don't like to call brands phones, [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] the you know that [disfmarker] [vocalsound] 'cause I remember from one of our first meetings that uh people lose their uh remote controls often. [speaker004:] Yeah? [speaker003:] So it [disfmarker] not not only in in the colours [vocalsound] of the LEDs, that we want something to keep it visible at all times, or [disfmarker] [speaker004:] How do you mean? [speaker003:] Um [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah if you if flashing colour so you can't lose it, basically. [speaker004:] Some some [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. Exactly. [speaker001:] Well I think it's a bit too much but [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Maybe a [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah an orange. Well alright well this is more like purple I guess, [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] but [disfmarker] it's should be more real dark blue, so the contrast with the with the fruit objects is uh pretty high. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] So uh yeah. That would be a nice uh nice device I guess. [speaker002:] And which which colour should uh should I give the the display? Uh [disfmarker] Or [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Who? [speaker004:] I mean, the the colour of the background of the display? [speaker002:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker004:] Ah well I don't guess it s has to be a sixty uh sixty six [vocalsound] five thousand uh colour, so yeah too expensive. [speaker001:] And then you can use yellow or semething. Why not? [vocalsound] Aye. [speaker004:] So just just a [vocalsound] a blue blue backlight or something like that. [speaker002:] Yeah. Mm. Yeah. [speaker004:] Green is too old-fashioned. But blue, blue's okay. J [speaker003:] As long as you loo [vocalsound] use uh high contrast between the the background and the foreground colour. [speaker002:] Yeah maybe a maybe a white a white backlight? [speaker003:] So that people with uh with [speaker001:] Like this. [speaker004:] White backlight, and dark. [speaker002:] Dark uh letters, yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. Whatever which is visible. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] I know you sh you should test it under uh under a light conditions. I mean it's hard to tell uh I dunno. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] And also for people who are a bit colourblind. [speaker001:] Colourblind yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. True. [speaker001:] No so that's mostly red and green I believe. [speaker004:] Which which uh colour should the buttons be? [speaker002:] That's adjustable. [speaker001:] Woah. [speaker004:] Why adjustable? [speaker001:] All all buttons? [speaker002:] Yeah? Or not. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] No uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] That's how we are going to make it uh more trendy. Or is it uh too expensive? [vocalsound] [speaker004:] But [vocalsound] maybe I mean they have to they have to have some colour right? [speaker001:] [vocalsound] It's difficult. [speaker004:] And if the background is very dark blue [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Blue. Maybe green. [speaker003:] But don't we wanna make the background the the bright colo colours? So th the total of the thing is very bright? [speaker001:] Yeah you can [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Like the pictures I showed you guys. Those things were all like like bright red, bright red, flashy. [speaker004:] Yeah? [speaker001:] Mm-hmm flashy. [speaker004:] So more like [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Mm bzz. [speaker004:] Doesn't work very well. Uh. More like this colour. [speaker003:] Yeah something like that, something that stands out more. [speaker004:] And then then yellow and orange and red objects on it or something. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] But then then again, which colour should the buttons be? The the press buttons. Should they be white or black or [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Red maybe. [speaker002:] And it it looks quite cheap, that colour I think. [speaker004:] Uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Black. [speaker002:] It's it's not [disfmarker] [speaker003:] The green? [speaker002:] Yeah. I dunno. [speaker004:] Yeah but it's pretty fresh, on the other side. [speaker001:] Why? Yeah. So [disfmarker] [speaker003:] It's actually a pretty trendy colour at the moment. [speaker002:] It's it's trendy okay. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] But [disfmarker] [speaker004:] My couch is in that colour. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] Ooh. [gap]. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah. Well it works pretty well. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] And then time was up. [speaker001:] Uh not yet. [speaker004:] Uh [disfmarker] [gap]. [speaker003:] Do you get a pop-up if we [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah within five minutes yeah. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] That you have five minutes left or [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Alright. [speaker001:] Y left yeah left and then uh I have to kick you out. [speaker004:] So something like this. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] That should be pretty nice colour. But maybe the buttons, all buttons in red is maybe a bad contrast for colourblind people. [speaker001:] Yeah yeah. [speaker003:] No [speaker004:] Because the [gap] of the green. [speaker003:] that's actu [speaker002:] But the but the buttons have their own LEDs or not? [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] They have LEDs but they have a colour. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Red and green are actually the b the easiest to discriminate. Even for colourblind. [speaker004:] Yeah? [speaker003:] They will see one of each as grey. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] But if you use uh green on blue, those kind of colours will look the same. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker003:] I think. [speaker004:] So red buttons are okay? [speaker003:] I think so. [speaker002:] Okay. That that's a default uh setting. The the red buttons. [speaker001:] You can make them red. Yeah. But I think you need to keep in mind that the LEDs are just extra light. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] How do you mean? Yeah. [speaker001:] Uh they they don't determine the colour that much, I think. [speaker002:] Okay. Yeah I I was think about a red uh red LEDs and blue LEDs and [disfmarker] [speaker001:] 'Cause you have to print on them [disfmarker] you have a background [speaker004:] No that's that's too busy I guess. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Each number is transparent. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Uh partly but you have to print on the number. Or the the sign. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] So you can't [gap] change the colour so [disfmarker] [speaker004:] You better bet better better keep the LED and the button itself in the same colour I guess. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] So just an extra [speaker001:] Bit of light. [speaker003:] You can [disfmarker] [speaker004:] bit of light and attention. [speaker003:] what we should do I think is is make kind of a see-through plastic button, with uh one coloured LED behind it. [speaker001:] Bit of feedback. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] So that the whole button will shine [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] as the colour the [vocalsound] [disfmarker] [vocalsound] And if you think about easy to use buttons, we have to, well we have to make it the shape so that it's easy to hold f for both hands, [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] but also that you can reach the buttons with your thumb, if you hold the machine. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Okay with [disfmarker] Uh [disfmarker] Don't mean to discourage you but [disfmarker] uh basically you two are going to work on the smartboard. Next thirty minutes to design something so [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Ah, right. [speaker004:] Alright. [speaker001:] And the [disfmarker] You will do the evaluation. [speaker004:] Of the product? [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Which we don't have yet. [speaker001:] Yeah uh about [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] So wh how should I do that? [speaker001:] Yeah I don't know. [speaker004:] Oh okay. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] You probably get a mail. [speaker004:] Or you you or you send it to me. Or just [disfmarker] because you are going to design it on this board right? [speaker001:] Yeah. Once they are finished. Yeah. Yeah but maybe you can do the evaluation [disfmarker] you don't have to evaluate yet but you can make a procedure which to follow. [speaker004:] Yeah. I I probably get instruction on that, how to do that, [speaker001:] I don't know. Yeah. [speaker004:] so I make another presentation I guess. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] I kn I know what's gonna happen in in yeah so [disfmarker] [speaker001:] About. Yeah. You have the basic idea. [speaker004:] I've a basic idea. [speaker001:] And you two uh are going to do this. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] So we're gonna work here? On this sketchboard? [speaker001:] Look-and-feel and [disfmarker] Yeah. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Good luck. [speaker003:] Alright. Thanks. [speaker004:] Yeah. Alright so that's uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] So I [gap] uh make new page and uh be creative. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Alright. [speaker002:] But we have to do it at this moment, after th this meeting? [speaker001:] Yeah you have uh [speaker003:] Thirty minutes. [speaker001:] thirty minutes. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] Then we have to uh see something which we can uh [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Alright. [speaker002:] Ah so this is basically the what what we are thinking about? [speaker001:] show to the management. [speaker003:] Yeah. Shall we uh make a new uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] I would yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] l let's just uh delete all these uh [disfmarker] or [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Next. [speaker004:] [gap]. [speaker003:] Yeah, I just [vocalsound] make a new one. [speaker002:] Oh, next [gap]. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Alright. [speaker001:] Oh and save this uh board. [speaker003:] Huh? [speaker001:] Just save it. [speaker003:] Yeah I'll just I'll just keep it there. [speaker001:] Yeah okay but just press save and uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker001:] It'll be fine. [speaker004:] On the left. S so, yeah. [speaker003:] Uh sorry. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] You can also include clip-art. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Current colour? [speaker001:] So if you'll rather draw in paint or something [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] So um [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Okay. Uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Shall we make some outline sketches of the basic shape first? [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Because [vocalsound] I I [disfmarker] [speaker002:] And then after that we can make the user uh inter interface. [speaker001:] [gap] then look. [speaker003:] Yeah 'cause I have to uh focus on the on the basic look-and-feel design. [speaker004:] This? [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] So how it's gonna look. And you have to think uh how we're gonna put the screen in it and those kind of things. [speaker004:] Uh pretty accurate. [speaker003:] So if I'm drawing and you think okay I'm not gonna be able to put a screen in there, you have to correct. [speaker004:] Oh we skip this I guess. Sound [gap] button press. [speaker002:] Yep. [speaker003:] Uh do you mind if I draw in black then? For normal sketches. [speaker001:] Yeah. You can also include it. It's not much work. [speaker004:] Light only button user ca user interaction. [speaker002:] Oh no it's it's okay. [speaker003:] [gap] so we kind of want the girlish [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker001:] That's included. Yeah okay. [speaker004:] Yeah. So the pl the plastic plastic buttons also help uh because of um they are only lit during interaction. So [disfmarker] [speaker003:] figure. I'm not so good at drawing. Excuse me? [speaker004:] Well it's a good thing that the buttons aren't um, well that they are plastic, because then you can light up the light on [gap] when when they are usable. [speaker002:] Yeah. Yeah. [speaker003:] No uh uh. [speaker004:] Maybe you should draw it very large [vocalsound] like this. [speaker002:] Yeah but this part isn't uh functioning properly. [speaker001:] Yeah. Sensitive. [speaker004:] Oh right. [speaker003:] How do we uh uh [speaker004:] Erase? [speaker003:] or insert text? [speaker001:] I dunno. Maybe just start typing. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] It's a bit uh large. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Oh that's a bit big. Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] You also do the other sides. Not only on the front si uh the top side but also the the side view. [speaker003:] Yeah. Ex exactly. [speaker002:] [gap]. L let's make first the the the all the views. The the front view, side view and the back view. [speaker003:] Uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Uh. [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Uh I thought for the side view, that the w the basic section would be rather uh a bit thicker than the middle, where you're holding it with your [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Jesus. What do I write down? [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Why can't I work here? This is much easier. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Much easier, yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] 'cause your fingers have to fit underneath and [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] The middle has to be very small so you can have it in your hand. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker004:] I don't see a sign that the meeting is over yet but [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Exactly but the uh but the upper side has to be a bit more like that I think. [speaker001:] No so I just work here a few minutes. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah the display, [speaker003:] Uh don't you think? [speaker002:] we yeah we can put a display. [speaker003:] So the display we will put in here, the basic uh functions in here, where it's most reachable. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] The [disfmarker] [speaker002:] The the arrow functions. Yeah. Yeah. [speaker003:] The th Exactly. Oh. This is hard. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] What do [disfmarker] [gap] don't have to draw it exactly do we? [speaker002:] No it's it's uh it's okay. [speaker003:] Wait. Let me try it one more time. Maybe I've uh [disfmarker] it's easier if I draw it in once. Okay, of course it will become way more ugly. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] You can make it m larger. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Maybe it's easier to to draw uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah. This'll take forever. It's fun to work with this pen. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Um so, larger. [speaker004:] Oh. [speaker002:] Yeah that's that's the basic idea. Yeah. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] Wrong one. [speaker003:] And [disfmarker] yeah. So side. [speaker001:] Five minutes left before the meeting ends. [speaker003:] 'Kay. Um other views? [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Alright. [speaker002:] Yeah only if you are going to put buttons on the side of the unit. [speaker003:] Uh [disfmarker] Yeah. [speaker002:] That's the question. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] Let's fill i fill in the buttons later. [speaker004:] But we we [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] So this is gonna be from the [speaker004:] I is it [disfmarker] if if this is from the side [disfmarker] [speaker003:] uh from [vocalsound] [speaker004:] woah. Steady. [speaker002:] From the [disfmarker] [speaker003:] yeah yeah. Sorry. [speaker004:] Because there the screen goes up like that right? [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] So then it's like this, or [disfmarker] that's not convenient because then you have the screen like this and look like the [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah? [speaker004:] it's better to have it somewhat like this. Or does it flip all the way? [speaker002:] Yeah I'm I'm [disfmarker] [speaker003:] The the idea is that it has to flip up to here. [speaker002:] May maybe it's it's easier to to integrate the the the LCD screen just into this this bubble. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker002:] Because it do doesn't have to flip then. Because we have en enough space for for making a an LCD. [speaker003:] Yeah. Yeah yeah yeah. [speaker002:] Because here [disfmarker] [speaker004:] It's better to to have this like this I guess, and then flip it like this. [speaker003:] True. [speaker002:] But why why do we need uh the flipping uh [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [gap] you can adjust the angle to which it flips. So it can also from this angle, it can flip all the way up to there. [speaker002:] Okay. Yeah. [speaker003:] You can flip it up to there if you want. [speaker004:] Yeah. So w yeah. But we still keep the flipping mechanism. [speaker003:] Think so. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah we keep the flip? Keep the flip live. [speaker003:] Yeah because I think it will feel weird if you would make this smaller and this bigger or something that [disfmarker] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] I dunno. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Uh the the shape is okay but [disfmarker] yeah? I don't see the the yeah why why we should use the the flipping uh mechanism. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] I thought it would be cool. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Because we [disfmarker] Okay yeah. It's it's for for for more trendy uh [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah but maybe [disfmarker] Yeah but maybe we we should then [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Because we have enough space. H here we got uh the basic functions, [speaker004:] Yeah there the middle [disfmarker] [speaker002:] the the arrow uh yeah button. [speaker004:] Sh sh shouldn't we integrate it? [speaker002:] Yeah and then h we sh mm. [speaker004:] And then like i oh th [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] doh. Come on. So this is the shape. Oh. It hasn't [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [gap]. It doesn't aim so well. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Okay but the screen is a bit lower because if it falls on the other side, it doesn't fall on the screen. [speaker002:] Yeah, then it's [disfmarker] [speaker004:] So there's a layer of rubber on the side. [speaker003:] Yeah yeah yeah. Definitely. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] So no flipping but just [disfmarker] [speaker002:] No flipping or [disfmarker] [speaker001:] No flipping? [speaker004:] no. [speaker002:] [gap] you wanted the flipping so [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah I guess but uh I mean most votes count right? [speaker002:] But if you if you [disfmarker] If you drop it it it just breaks. And it has to be very strong because of the [gap]. Yeah kind of [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Throwing and the kinetics. [speaker001:] It's shaking. [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Oh. We better make we better make it like this. Eventually. [speaker003:] Yeah true true. Yeah. [speaker001:] Yeah just light on top. [speaker003:] Yeah if you if you're going for the kinetics [disfmarker] [speaker002:] And it's also for the for the children, it's yeah for people not sixteen years. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker001:] Safer. Mm. Yeah okay that [gap] the target group. [speaker004:] Uh they are responsible enough to have a mobile phone, so also to to deal with their uh remote uh control. Yes. [speaker002:] But there are more [disfmarker] Yeah okay. That's true. Okay. Yeah? [speaker001:] Well. I just uh ended the meeting. [speaker003:] Yeah. I'm just thinking totally different designs also. [speaker001:] You two go design. [speaker002:] Okay wi [speaker003:] Remember that the weird pocketphone thingy which looked like kind of a Gameboy. [speaker001:] Oh. By the way. Um [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Maybe we should try something like that. But yeah. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] I uh thought up a name for our product. [speaker004:] Yeah? [speaker003:] Oh right. [speaker001:] Yeah. It's called uh the Real Remote. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Ooh. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] With a copyright sign after Real. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Alright. [speaker004:] Yeah. [vocalsound] Alright. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] The Real Remote. [speaker003:] Yeah. I like it. Okay. This can go. [speaker001:] So maybe you can include that somewhere. [speaker004:] Good. Yeah. We should work in our own room right? Or not? [speaker001:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Oh yeah we have to f uh include that in our design as well. [speaker001:] I don't see any power cables here so [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Let's see. [speaker004:] Yeah. Yes. [speaker003:] What the hell's that? [speaker002:] [vocalsound] I think uh it's the sensors. [speaker001:] 'Kay. [speaker004:] See you two in half an hour uh [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker003:] Uh [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Good luck. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yep. Okay that's the side. Ah it's it's okay. But do we want uh options on the on the side with the with the buttons? [speaker003:] Yeah. I think we do. [speaker002:] Or just leave it? Uh could make an uh a volume button uh scroll, volume button. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah or j or also scrolling for the m yeah. [speaker002:] For menu. Or [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah? I dunno. We w kind of wanted to stick with the [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah. No, yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah I'm just thinking, [vocalsound] if we i we wanna make something different [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] right? So the with the scroll is is more futuristic than the standard arrow buttons. [speaker002:] Yeah. [speaker003:] I think. [speaker002:] Mm. Yeah you are going to design it so [disfmarker] [vocalsound]

[speaker001:] Hello, uh this meeting we are it's fo should be focused on the conceptual design of the remote control. [speaker004:] Hello. [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker003:] Hello. [speaker001:] Um the goal of this meeting is to reach a decision at the end on the concept and I think the last time we talked about an a lot and we had a rough idea of what is going to be, but uh in th at the end of this meeting we have to to reach a decision. So, uh we will have again three presentation, from all of you, and uh I hope it will be fast because I would like to have time to for long discussion and and decisions. So, who wants to start? [speaker003:] I s [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker003:] No, no, you you can start. [speaker004:] Okay, I'll start. [speaker001:] So start, uh [speaker004:] Can you open my presentation, please. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Uh. [gap] [speaker004:] I'm number four. Trend. [speaker001:] This one? [speaker004:] Yep. Can you pass the mouse, please. [vocalsound] Oh okay, that's fine. [speaker001:] Turn. [speaker004:] Okay. Um so basically I just want to presented to you [disfmarker] present to you some recent results we've had from um looking at uh um some remote control market research and some fashion trends around the world. Um the fashion trends we got from talking to our our contacts in the fashion industry based in Paris and Milan. [vocalsound] Um [vocalsound] so f from our market research basically we've come to the conclusion that a fancy look and feel, um as opposed to a functional look and feel, is our number one priority. Um fancy is is is is the, you know, highest priority. [speaker001:] Hmm. [speaker002:] Hmm. [speaker004:] Secondly um that our remote control needs to be techn technologically innovative. Um so this is t number two priority but it's two times less important as the fancy criteria. Um and third thirdly the easiness of use is is the um is is important as well, but again two times less important as the technologically innovativeness of the remote control. [vocalsound] From our f fashion people in Paris and Milan, um we've discovered that this year um fruit the fruit and vegetable motif will be the most important thing in in clothes, shoes and furniture. So, [vocalsound] I'm pretty confident that our remote control fits into the furniture category. And also um the feel of material this year um is expected to be spongy. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] Um so hopefully our remote control reflects that s in some way. [speaker002:] What does it mean, spongy? [speaker004:] Uh sort of um squishy. Um. Yeah soft, [speaker002:] Like soft, or something? [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] like a uh like a sponge. [speaker001:] Like a sponge. [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] I don't know. Yeah. [speaker002:] Okay. I will see. [speaker004:] Um so in conclusion, we need a our remote control needs to be something that's really fancy, um has lots of technolog tech technology in it. [vocalsound] Um somehow would be good to have it related to fruit and vegetables with a spongy feel. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] And that it's easy to use and from our last meeting our you know Fabian told us that w you know one of the requirements is that we have to reflect the look and feel of our [disfmarker] of th the Real Reaction company. Um. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yeah, uh yeah. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] That's it. [speaker001:] Easy to use, is it uh a as much as important than technology or fancy thing. It's less important, right? [speaker004:] Less important. So um fanciness first and then two ti you know, half as important as that is technology technology, [speaker001:] Yeah yeah. Okay. [speaker004:] and half important as technology is easy to use. So. [speaker001:] [gap] So, Hamed, can you [gap]. [speaker003:] Yeah. The second one. Could you please show the presentation number three. [speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] I think the biggest struggle will be the easy to use feature. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Um. Number? [speaker002:] [vocalsound] We'll see. [speaker003:] Yeah. Three. [speaker001:] Three. This one? [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yes. [gap] Just Could you please check if it is the first one or the second. Uh, n n no, it's the first one. The second one. [speaker001:] So it's not this one. [speaker003:] Uh yeah. Okay. [gap] Okay. So I am going to talk about [disfmarker] a little bit about how this remote control should be appear to be more easy to use. I think uh I think the feature easy to use is more important than being fancy, but okay, we can discuss about it uh later. Um [vocalsound] generally, generally uh this remote control uh uh should be should be something, in my opinion, uh the first feature is just to be easy to use. So, the more frequent buttons should be larger, they should be placed in a good position uh uh inside the remote control. And uh s uh I can conclude like this, that we shouldn't need to learn how to use it. It should be [disfmarker] we shouldn't need to es open a a t book and uh start reading and uh learning how to use this uh this uh remote control. [vocalsound] Okay. So what I found out that uh as I said uh I think it's better to put uh more frequent uh uh uh ke uh buttons which are used more in the middle of the remote control, and they should be bigger in size. Uh the shape of remote control should be in a way which can [disfmarker] which should be taken easily in hand. It should not be completely like uh a cube. It should be it should have round edge, so uh then it's easier. [speaker002:] Exactly. [speaker003:] And maybe uh just like some toys, some joystick which is easier to take inside the hand. And uh also f uh uh m because because customers doesn't like to buy lots of battery, it should not uh consume lots of energy. Okay. And my personal p uh preference is uh, as I said, uh just putting this buttons in a special places and covered some buttons which are not used uh that much like settings button, like mobile phone. Usually some mobile phone cover the dialling number part, so we can cover these buttons which are not used or uh number buttons for the for the for the can channels, and just put uh volume change or s ch can uh channel change buttons uh uh in the remote control. And if the user needed to do some more complex task uh he he can open the cover and then change settings or something like this. Uh. And also uh I think if we put some some some some some buttons inside of the remote control it can be used easier. Not on remote control. I dunno if I can explain well. But uh just inside. For example, a sliding or rolling uh uh d uh stuff, if we put it inside then we can easily manipulate with uh thumb. So it can be another uh preference. And uh I dunno but uh I think usage of a speech recogn uh r recogniser can be good. I know that it consumes lots of energy, but if we do it in some way that it asleeps when there is no sound and when it detects some sound it may consume less energy. And I think it's good because it's something new and usually young people like something new. So it may not be very useful but because it's new, people may buy it. Uh I personally think there should be a big difference between uh between something. Otherwise they prefer to buy something which is coming from a famous company, or. Okay. That's mine. [speaker001:] Okay. [gap] [speaker002:] Uh okay, so good news from me uh uh for me from Hamed, but bad news from Bob obviously, because spongy design, I don't like it as [gap] [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Okay, so could you please, Fabien, open it. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] I'm person two. And which one, uh probably the first one. I'm not sure but check the first one. I [disfmarker] Most of the things I have to write myself on the board, but [disfmarker] [speaker001:] This one, yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah, that's it. Just [disfmarker] It's only this slide? Yeah. This this is just uh one thing I wanted to mention and show you that I just uh I just found this, that our company uh developed a s a seven f seven fingers or I'll just [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Inch. [speaker002:] Yeah, seven seven inch T [disfmarker] TFT screen, which is good news for us, since we wanted to include a display there. Uh so I I probably draw it down raw scheme. [speaker001:] Oh, [gap]. [speaker002:] This is this is the stuff that I can use to [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Oops. [speaker002:] Okay, so the [disfmarker] this will be like the overall scheme or overall requirements from the engineering point of view. Uh first thing is uh this will be the overall shape, no uh I'm not speaking about the real shape of the device, but the shape of the inside of the device. So there will be some circuit uh for the power. So, say power circuit here. Uh the main energy will be taken from batteries that we can uh uh [disfmarker] And if we decide to use the speech recognition stuff there, we must use additional source of energy, which I found the best is to use the solar cells which can which can uh supply everything. I was computing all the all the things related to the speech recognition, and it's okay to use just uh two batteries and solar cells, so. So no problem. There can be also solar cell. Uh the main board with all the circuits will take at least seven to seven centimetres, so this is my like hard requirement for the guys from the design. So at least seven to seven. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] It depends where you put your screen, because the screen is uh seven inch, so it depends on you where where you put it. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] It doesn't matter. Um it's just one cord from from the main board to the screen which can be elsewhere. So this will be TFT. And on the main board we have the um interface to the microphone, which is somewhere, say here. Interface to the microphone. Then the graphical card uh for the TFT and the third unit is the IR. The good news is that we can uh we decided to use the infra-red unit because our company has also developed the chip for communication by the infra-red, including all the stuff inside, so it will be very cheap for us. So infra-red here. So the [disfmarker] once again the overall requirements, seven to seven centimetres for the board, which has to be [disfmarker] which can be spongy but has to be this size, and the TFT which is seven inches. Um I have to check what I wanted to [disfmarker] Uh from my point of view I don't care about the about the material used for the overall des uh ov all the device. [speaker001:] Can you fit any uh for example a TFT or any electronic device in a spongy thing, or is there any problem for that? For example, put electronic card on a spongy thing, I can I can imagine it could be a problem. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] A all these things in in uh in this box are okay to put in in any shape, basically. But we have to take care of the TFT. [speaker001:] Yep. [speaker002:] Well, sponginess. Maybe it a good feature, since it takes [disfmarker] if it's around the TFT then it's good, because it's just keeps it safe, [speaker001:] Okay. So [disfmarker] [speaker002:] I dunno. [speaker003:] Well maybe it can have two shells, a hard shell inside and a spongy shell outside. [speaker004:] So [speaker001:] Okay. Maybe put electronic in a box and a spongy thing around. [speaker002:] Well, it's maybe related to the UI. [speaker001:] [gap] maybe after. [speaker004:] So [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] Ca Can I ask a question. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] A Yeah, that's all from me. [speaker004:] This seven inch TFT screen, [speaker002:] Yeah? [speaker004:] how big is it in reality? [speaker002:] Well, seven to seven inches. [speaker004:] So like that. [speaker002:] Yes. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] That's quite big. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Uh uh have we decided that we're gonna use this TFT screen? [speaker002:] Yeah but [disfmarker] [speaker001:] No, I don't think it's seven by seven, I think it's seven [disfmarker] the diagonal is seven. [speaker002:] To be honest, I was [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Usually when they say seven inch I think it's the diagonal. [speaker004:] But I mean even even that is like this big. [speaker003:] Yeah yes [gap]. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] I dunno I dun I dun One each [gap] [speaker004:] [gap] [speaker001:] But, yeah, [gap]. [speaker002:] Yeah, honestly speaking I was thinking that it was seven centimetres initially, [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] but it's seven inches. But I I think we can we can cut it. [speaker004:] You can cut the TFT screen. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Let's go. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yeah, no no problem, because because because then the size of the graphic card will be one fourth. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] So let's cut the TFT. [speaker002:] So [vocalsound] [disfmarker] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yeah, but no problem to to me to cut the screen. [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker004:] Okay, so [disfmarker] [speaker002:] So so for the same price we have four screens now [vocalsound]. [speaker001:] Mm. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker001:] These technical engineers, huh. [speaker004:] So, what's the size of the device? [speaker002:] Ah well this is like this is almost nothing. Seven to seven to at least well some three millimetres or something. [speaker004:] Even from my perspective seven t seven centimetres by seven centimetres is still [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Yeah, but we wanted the big buttons and stuff like that, you know. [speaker004:] Is it [disfmarker] Can you hold that, or? [speaker002:] Because if it's t too small we can we can lose it, at home, you know. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] What user wants. He wants a small remote control, [speaker003:] Uh. [speaker004:] Yeah, a small c control that they can hold in hand. [speaker001:] or? Uh uh with big buttons. [speaker002:] I thought that it it should fit in the hand or something. [speaker003:] Yes. [speaker001:] It's difficult. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] A sm [speaker004:] But is something that's seven centimetres square e easy to hold? [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] W I I think so. I if the roller buttons are on the side you don't have to catch it like that, but just like this, and you know follow follow [disfmarker] Well, that's that's no task for me, but well seven to seven at least yeah, [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] So maybe you can finish your presentation, [speaker002:] but [disfmarker] [speaker001:] and afterwards we will discuss about all this. [speaker003:] Maybe this [gap]. [speaker002:] Oh, okay. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker002:] Okay thanks [gap]. [speaker001:] That's it. Okay. So. [vocalsound] [gap] No. Uh, so I think we have a lot [disfmarker] We have to take decision today, so I think we have to do some work to finalise our idea and take decisions. Uh first I think energy it's a key problem because uh it depend what can we have as feature if we use only batteries, for example, or something like that. Because can we have LCD and speech recognition with battery, and it's also r related to the size of the of the devi of the device? [speaker002:] Not [disfmarker] J uh just a point to the energy th things. If we use the batteries, and the additional so solar cell, then it's okay for L uh speech recognition and LCD, [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] so no problem in energy, I think. [speaker001:] So [disfmarker] Okay. [speaker002:] But we have to use the solar cell. [speaker003:] So but [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Otherwise not. [speaker001:] Uh like [disfmarker] but using how many batteries, for example? Are are what Maybe what is the size of the battery [gap] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah I was thinking just common AA cells. [speaker001:] Okay. Uh one two [disfmarker] [speaker002:] So like three to five centimetres, I dunno exactly, but. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker004:] So if we use s solar cells, um where is the sun if someone's watching TV inside? [speaker002:] S Uh d doesn't need to be sun. It it's just the daylight, you know. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker001:] The television lights. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Yeah well I I suppose that I suppose that uh that this remote control won't be in the in the room like this, where there is light only when when there are people, but. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] At least when there is TV you can get light from the TV. [speaker002:] Yeah from the T [vocalsound] [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] I don't think it's enough, uh. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] I dunno. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker001:] Okay. Mm. [speaker002:] Ah it's a it's a compromise, no? [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] At least it's new and maybe technology New technology. [speaker002:] Yeah, that's why I wanted to to include the speech recognition, because you wanted all the new things. [speaker004:] It's it's quite innovative, yes. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Hmm. [speaker001:] Um. [speaker004:] And if you watch TV outside it's [vocalsound] very useful. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] So I think before talking about the other thing, it's important thing it's the case. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Uh what what are gonna be the size, because its weight drives the other [disfmarker] what we are going to use as features and so on. For example for the for the LCD, if we choose to have a small device, we cannot use this um a such a a a screen. [speaker002:] Uh the s the screen is okay, but the board, uh that's the problem. Well what what would you guess as a shape? Or what what would be the shape? [speaker003:] Mm. I think I think their being uh large or small is not important. The only important thing is to be able to take it in uh inside hand easily. So let's say an average size, okay, [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker003:] and it should not be very heavy also. And I prefer to [disfmarker] is it shouldn't have a uniform shape, so in the middle it should be a little bit thinner, maybe maybe. So we c it's like like some joysticks. You can take uh some some joystick you can take inside hand easier because it's it's designed for your f uh taking into account your finger shape and your palm shape. So the general shape should be like this. I think uh seven centimetre by seven centimetre is a little bit large. So uh seven [disfmarker] not seven but let's say five by ten it's I think it's [disfmarker] that's my opinion. It's easier. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker004:] Which is the same area. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Okay. [speaker003:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Could you re could you redesign your board? [speaker002:] Five to ten. [speaker004:] Oh, five five centimetres by ten centimetres. [speaker002:] Well that [disfmarker] Yeah, right. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah, I think it's feasib Well one um um [disfmarker] How could we do it? We could put the board next to, well, under the LCD and for example make the LCD be totally unrelated to the thing that you hold in your hand. [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker002:] Like holding something, and the LCD to be just on top of it, you know somehow. Well [disfmarker] But maybe let's stick to the s spongy thing, like one unit. [speaker001:] Oh. I've I s I think the easiest thing would be to to have a smaller LCD, if it's possible. [speaker002:] Well fi five to ten it would be feasible. [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker002:] Okay, so five to ten, I I think it's it's feasible. [speaker001:] Okay. So we are agree with a small [speaker002:] I'll make it. [speaker003:] [gap] Or uh or I don't know [speaker002:] Fo Five by ten. [speaker001:] LCD. [vocalsound] [speaker003:] but I don't want to now invent something new, because we didn't discuss about it. So using some LCDs we can touch, so we can remove uh keys and just uh having uh, I dunno the name, LCD responding to fingers. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Touching the screen. Something like [speaker001:] Tactile or something, yeah. [speaker004:] Mm, touch screen. [speaker003:] [disfmarker] Mm like tactile. [speaker001:] Touch screen, yeah. [speaker003:] So [disfmarker] But for now if we don't want to use such kind of screens I I think we using a a smaller screen is better, [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] because [disfmarker] [speaker001:] The problem is we have a limit in a month of time, so we cannot do something very new. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] So let's go for a small LCD. [speaker004:] So [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Okay, so Yeah, so so just just give me the the the five by ten numbers that you find the best and send it me [speaker003:] A smaller s [speaker001:] Yeah okay. [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker002:] and I will work it out. [speaker001:] So, five by s ten. [speaker004:] [gap] [speaker002:] Hmm. [speaker001:] Um so what about, so the case we talked about. Um something easy to use, you said something easy to use but how does that fit in a fashion way, like with fruit and vegetable, and about the colour and logo of the of the company and so on, now, can we do that? My first idea is because our colour is more yellow, and the [disfmarker] it should be easy to take in a hand, I thought about banana, or something like that, which is fruits, and [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Seven to ten banana. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] A big banana. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Okay. Rather mango or something or. [speaker001:] Um. [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Well it's it's definitely the obvious choice, with the colour of our company. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] [gap] [speaker004:] I mean what other what other fruit and vegetables [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah. But it's just an idea. I dunno what you think about, but [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Do you know of any any other fruit and vegetables that are yellow? [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] I dunno if it can fit with the technology. You are the specialists of that. [speaker002:] You mean banana. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Well, but [disfmarker] If it's [gap] [vocalsound] [disfmarker] If it [disfmarker] If the banana is big enough. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] So [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Then, yes. [vocalsound] But if you want to look at the screen [gap], no. Well [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah, and [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] I think this [gap] is not good. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] The screen has to be [vocalsound] square? Or it can be like a a shape, quite, uh with curves. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Well, it can be whatever you want. But if it's square then we get four screens out of one by cutting just. [speaker001:] It could. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] But if you want some shape then we can only get like two screens out of seven to seven inches, so. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker002:] It's like more more expensive to have shape like that. But I don't care. You know, if we fit this requirement. [speaker004:] Well [disfmarker] I'd like a shaped screen. I think that's more important than saving a bit of money on on the TFT screen. [speaker002:] Okay [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Okay okay. [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker002:] Yeah, m maybe the banana could be like a bit uh fatter than than the c c common one. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] [gap] [speaker001:] Yeah, it should remember banana, but it's not [disfmarker] doesn't have to b to be uh uh really the size and exactly the shape of a banana. [speaker002:] But [disfmarker] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Like modified banana, okay. Well it [disfmarker] we'll stick to banana, or? [speaker001:] So we are agree with the banana thing? [speaker003:] Okay. [speaker004:] Yeah, banana's good. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker002:] Mm-mm. [speaker001:] So, [gap] the last point we decided it's infra-red, I guess. [speaker003:] Yeah, I think infra-red. [speaker002:] Yeah, yeah. [speaker001:] Everybody's agreed. [speaker002:] Sure. [speaker001:] Uh, so that's it I think about the concepts. You have other thing to add to this point, or uh no? So, uh about the user interface, so we are going to use LCD. In the last meeting we talked about uh hidden buttons. I don't know what we are going to do with that. You talked about the buttons on the side [disfmarker] [speaker002:] Like like peeling of the banana you s [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah, peeling of the banana. [speaker002:] It would be cool, yeah. [speaker001:] Mm what? [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Peeling of the banana, you know, [speaker003:] Yeah. [speaker002:] should should discover the other buttons, which are hidden. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Okay. And you mean the first layer would be spongy. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] First layer obviously spo Yeah, w It's it's like silly, but the people will really appreciate it, yeah I think. [speaker001:] [vocalsound] So [disfmarker] [vocalsound] Is it is it possible to do that? It would be a great idea, but is it possible technically? [speaker003:] Uh [vocalsound] [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Like doing a spongy layer of the banana, and you open it. [speaker004:] I think if we if we have a spongy layer on the outside of the banana then it's easy to make that, [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker004:] you know, to manipulate that to hav be a cover that you can pull off and [disfmarker] [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Yeah, some [disfmarker] [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker003:] Something like a plastic cover covering uh some interface, USB interface as in the in uh digital camera. If you see it's like peeling. You open a plastic cover and you see some USB interfaces, some some interfaces for adaptor. So keys can be uh buttons can be covered like this, with a plastic cover and uh when uh and when you open this cover it's like peeling a banana. So, something like this. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah, but do you see that as a rigid thing, or like like a banana, something very soft, you can open like banana, or. [speaker002:] Well is it possible to make it soft? [speaker003:] Yeah, yeah, yeah it's a lic like a plastic cover, so. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] Yeah. [speaker002:] So I think if it's so then it's cool? [speaker001:] So, I dunno what you think, Bob, but it would be great for users I think, and very good for marketing. [speaker004:] I think for sure. Definitely. The softer the better. [speaker001:] Yeah. [vocalsound] [speaker002:] [vocalsound] Cool. [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Honestly speaking, I cannot imagine it, so far, [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] but it will be terrible. [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [vocalsound] Um. [speaker002:] Mm. [speaker001:] And setting buttons hidden in [gap]. Mm, other remarks, or something, or. Something we didn't talk about yes yet, or. I think we are almost there [gap]. Uh maybe, how can we, if we have a soft thing, like this, and to open it we have to attach it somewhere, I dunno how to do that technically, or. [speaker002:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] And how [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [speaker002:] Pof. [speaker004:] We could use Velcro. [speaker001:] Yeah, maybe. [speaker004:] Or uh ma maybe a magnetic [speaker003:] Yes, yeah [gap] it's a good idea. [speaker004:] thing. [speaker003:] Magnetic [gap]. [speaker001:] Ma magnetic [gap] oh. [speaker003:] Mm. Yeah or a [disfmarker] Yeah it can is it can be a plastic cover uh sticking to the to the all the stuff like uh with magnetic p uh magnetic uh magnetic uh [vocalsound] materials in the border, so it's it sticks like refrigerator door, completely. [speaker001:] Okay. [speaker003:] And when you try to open it, it will be opened easily. So you you can be sure that it will not be open while you're uh while while uh you are commonly using uh buttons on the banana. [speaker001:] Okay. And what would be the matter here of the first layer I mean? Mm. Likes. Soft plastic, or [disfmarker] [speaker004:] Yeah, I imagine some sort of vinyl thing. [speaker001:] Yeah, yeah, yeah. [speaker004:] In a in a sort of a with a suede sort of feel. Maybe. [speaker002:] Well since since the since the things like the like the screen and um how to say that, solar cell has to be has to be like kept kept in the shape, we cannot b uh [disfmarker] So we need that the that the peeling [disfmarker] uh I dunno but we should we should take care of these two two things. So, if if uh the solar cell won't be visible while the banana is closed, then the material must be able to put the light inside, you know. So that we can reach the energy out of it [disfmarker] out of that. [speaker004:] Mm. So you're saying is it possible to have a solar cell and this removable cover and [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker002:] It is possible, but, well if it [disfmarker] [speaker004:] And a and a banana. [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker002:] I dunno. I dunno how to how to do it if if t if to if it's better to put the solar cell to the t to the peeling or outside it, or or inside. [speaker001:] Hmm. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] But then it must be some window there, you know. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker001:] And something we forgot, maybe, uh about the speech recognition system, are we going to use it, or not? [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] Yes, I think. I think so. [speaker004:] I think it's important. [speaker001:] It i Yeah, it seems feasible, and it would be something very great. [speaker004:] I think [disfmarker] One of our p priorities is tech technology. [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker004:] And [disfmarker] [speaker001:] So we have the de design, the a good shape, new and so on, [speaker003:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] and we have also the technology thing w will be. [speaker004:] Mm-hmm. [speaker001:] And even the easy to use thing, [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker001:] so it will be perfect. [speaker003:] Mm. [speaker001:] So we add also the speech recognition device. [speaker004:] Yeah. [speaker002:] Yeah. I agree. [speaker001:] So, that great. We have decided everything. And think we are on a good way. So, um uh the next meeting will start in thirty minutes. Um, so uh the the Industrial Manager uh will uh will work on the look and feel design. The User Interface uh uh Mana uh Manager will work on the user interface device. And the the Marketing Expert will do the first project evaluation. [speaker004:] Okay. [speaker001:] So, I hope you can do that in thirty minutes. [speaker004:] [vocalsound] [speaker003:] [vocalsound] [speaker001:] [vocalsound] And uh, yeah, I uh I think you should work together, s you uh Hamed and Peter, to work uh in a in a first prototype, and uh more about the shape and so on and how you can manage to put everything together. And um as usual you will receive some specific instructions on. So thank you all everybody, [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker001:] and see you in thirty minutes. [speaker004:] Okay. Thank you. [speaker002:] Okay. [speaker003:] Thank you.