2009/06/18/#ubuntu-meeting.txt

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[18:54] <jcastro> 5 minutes?
[18:55] <evanrmurphy> jcastro: yep!
[18:55] <popey> ya!
[18:56] <jcastro> ah yes, popey is here
[18:56] <jcastro> did the sideys come along as well?
[18:56] <popey> hell yeah
[18:56] <popey> longer than ever
[18:56]  * popey is on the train tho
[18:56] <popey> choo choo
[18:56] <jono> just grabbing some water before we begin
[18:57] <jcastro> 3 minutes!
[18:57] <Ging> i'm unhappy with my seat
[18:58]  * BUGabundo is ready
[18:58] <Paul2> Ging: I'll swap with you
[18:58] <evanrmurphy> Ging: you get what you pay for :P
[18:58] <dpm> hi everybody
[18:58] <Paul2> move up all...me and ging are swapping
[18:58]  * popey stands up
[18:58]  * popey tuts loudly
[18:58] <evanrmurphy> hi dpm
[18:59] <axisys> just got a twitt about this meeting
[18:59] <BUGabundo> hey akgraner
[18:59] <BUGabundo> axisys: me ?
[18:59] <akgraner> BUGabundo, hey
[18:59] <BUGabundo> akgraner: ready  to squash some bugs?
[18:59] <akgraner> BUGabundo, ready to participate somehow...
[19:00] <dpm> hey evanrmurphy
[19:00] <axisys> jonobacon
[19:00] <axisys> BUGabundo: from @jonobacon
[19:00] <jono> hey everyone@!
[19:00] <jono> oops
[19:00] <sebsebseb> hi
[19:00] <keffie_jayx> hey joaopinto
[19:01] <BUGabundo> hey jono
[19:01] <keffie_jayx> jono
[19:01] <jono> lets give it a few mins for people to arrive :)
[19:01] <keffie_jayx> darn tab...
[19:01] <akgraner> hi jono
[19:01] <pedro_> hey folks
[19:01] <jono> heya BUGabundo keffie_jayx akgraner
[19:01] <jono> heya pedro_
[19:01] <BUGabundo> hey pedro_ joaopinto
[19:01] <joaopinto> hi keffie_jayx
[19:01] <sebsebseb> hi me :D
[19:01] <jono> what is the irc:// address for this session?
[19:01] <keffie_jayx> hey joaopinto ;)
[19:01] <joaopinto> :P
[19:01] <jono> need to tell a dude on Twitter
[19:01] <nhaines> Hi everyone!  I'll just be lurking for today....
[19:01] <Paul2> itc://irc.freenode.net/#ubuntu-meeting
[19:01] <BUGabundo> jono irc://irc.ubuntu.com#ubuntu-meeting ?
[19:02] <jono> thanks Paul2
[19:02] <jono> and BUGabundo :)
[19:02] <Ging> 1 of them has to be close
[19:02] <boredandblogging> hola
[19:02] <BUGabundo> hey boredandblogging
[19:02] <popey> wheeee
[19:02]  * popey is driving home
[19:02] <akgraner> boredandblogging, howdy...
[19:02] <mhall119|work> hey boredandblogging
[19:02]  * pleia2 waves
[19:02] <popey> (passenger)
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[19:02] <BUGabundo> popey: drive safely
[19:02] <jono> hehe
[19:02] <czajkowski> popey: thanks for clarifying
[19:02] <jono> alright
[19:02]  * BUGabundo waves back at pleia2
[19:02] <popey> :)
[19:02]  * akgraner waves to pleia2 
[19:02] <linuxninja> Hello all...
[19:02] <Ursinha> hi all :)
[19:02] <jono> folks, take a beady eyed look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGlobalJam
[19:03] <nellery> hey all
[19:03] <Paul2> weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
[19:03] <BUGabundo> hi Ursinha
[19:03]  * evanrmurphy beads his eyes
[19:03] <jono> so, the other day I announced the new campaign
[19:03] <Ging> i tried  twitter from the motorway last weekend, it was a bad idea
[19:03] <jono> and the idea is to kick an epic amount of ass
[19:03]  * BUGabundo tries to click on the link, but its running away
[19:03] <jono> to put together a global event in which ubuntu fans get together to really make a difference
[19:03] <BUGabundo> hey nhandler
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[19:04] <jono> and to bring innocent bystanders into our devious little meetings to show them the ubuntu spirit
[19:04] <JayFo> muhahaha
[19:04] <jono> and to get them psyched about joining our community
[19:04] <mhall119|work> the great ubuntu conspiracy
[19:04] <BUGabundo> jono: and to kill LP yet again ?
[19:04] <jono> actually, that does need an evil laugh from everyone
[19:04] <jono> mwahahahaa
[19:04] <JayFo> heh
[19:04]  * jcastro crests his fingers.
[19:04] <Ging> is there such a thing as an  opensource conspiracy?
[19:04] <L1pe> hi guys
[19:04] <txwikinger_work> mwahahahaa
[19:04] <jono> hehe
[19:04] <popey> Can we have freaking laser beams?
[19:04] <infocop411> Ging: good question
[19:04]  * JayFo is a trend setter
[19:04] <SiDi> jono: then you shall package an irc script to trigger the evil laugh
[19:04] <jono> ok, so to make this event rock I think we need two things:
[19:05]  * txwikinger_work puts his tin hat on
[19:05] <JayFo> one millon dollars!
[19:05] <nellery> beer?
[19:05] <jono> firstly....
[19:05] <jono> EVENTS
[19:05] <jono> we need lots of people organizing events
[19:05] <jcastro> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGlobalJam/Events
[19:05] <evanrmurphy> sup L1pe ;)
[19:05] <kecskebak> Event handlers?
[19:05] <jono> I think we need to promote the Global Jam in our own community first to get a good roster of events
[19:05] <jono> there is no point us spreading the word outside the community if we have a handful of events
[19:05] <JayFo> I smell an excuse to party
[19:05] <infocop411> how about a opensorce driver for goldeneye
[19:05] <BUGabundo> jono: already doing that on regular basis here!
[19:06] <jono> so, kudos to the Birmingham team for getting the first one on that page
[19:06] <jono> who else here is planning on organizing an event?
[19:06]  * JayFo raises his hand
[19:06] <dariusH> Will add wales to the list now
[19:06] <Guest76971> We will have an event in Chicago
[19:06] <conch> hey jono thanks!!! (q wright)
[19:06] <mhall119|work> #ubuntu-us-fl is having one
[19:06] <jono> conch, :)
[19:06] <jcastro> (even if you don't have a location nailed down, put pending or something in your entry)
[19:06] <L1pe> ubuntu-ar in planning one too
[19:06]  * evanrmurphy applauds the Birmingham team
[19:07] <jcastro> (so we at least have an idea of how many teams plan to participate)
[19:07] <mhall119|work> at my house, actually
[19:07] <jono> if you folks could start making some plans this week and updating https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGlobalJam/Events that would be awesome
[19:07] <Guest76971> jcastro: I'll add an entry for Chicago later today
[19:07] <pedro_> I've commented the event the Tuesday during our monthly meeting, we only need to decide the date
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[19:08] <jcastro> sometimes it takes a while to get a venue etc, which is why we're starting as early as possible to give locos time
[19:08] <clickwir> I'm not much of an organizer, but I'd love to goto a meeting in my area.
[19:08] <sebsebseb> clickwir: same here I guess
[19:08] <popey> clickwir: encourage someone else to orgnise then :)
[19:08] <JayFo> yeah, I have been encountering the same for installfest
[19:08] <mhall119|work> jono: can we still count if our jam isn't on that weekend?
[19:08] <popey> clickwir: use powers of persuasion
[19:08] <jcastro> mhall119|work: you can have a jam whenever you want
[19:09] <nhandler1> jcastro: One idea that we had was to setup some live video streams of the events
[19:09] <jcastro> yes, that would be a great idea?
[19:09]  * txwikinger_work still tries to find a way to have Internet and PCs available for a jam
[19:09] <mhall119|work> jcastro: well I know that, but can we put ourself on the list for the global jam?
[19:09] <jcastro> what else do you guys think we should be encouraging people to do?
[19:09] <popey> jcastro: putting presentations online
[19:09] <jcastro> mhall119|work: sure, just make sure it's clear that you're early or late, as long as people don't get confused
[19:09] <infocop411> or even a video uploaded later, if wifi isn't handy
[19:09] <JayFo> I think I am going to merge my installfest with a bug jam
[19:09] <popey> jcastro: like "how to package" in simple slides
[19:09] <popey> jcastro: and "how to find good bugs"
[19:09] <mhall119|work> cool, we're going to coincide ours with Florida Linux SHow
[19:09] <jcastro> JayFo: that would be great, because you can pool resources
[19:09] <BUGabundo> jcastro: I've read success stories of ppl that helped , even if they didn't knew what FOSS/Ubuntu was.
[19:09] <popey> jcastro: so at the events people can give short 10-15 mins talks
[19:09] <JayFo> right
[19:10] <nhandler1> +1 popey. I think if we had pre-made presentations people could give, it would be great
[19:10] <BUGabundo> jcastro: we could get more of those too
[19:10] <JayFo> nhandler, I agree
[19:10] <jcastro> popey: yes, we should encourage people to put their presentations from last Jams under /Jams
[19:10] <jcastro> does anyone have presentations handy?
[19:10] <mhall119|work> BUGabundo: I can post one of those
[19:10] <jcastro> we can start putting them up there now
[19:10] <popey> jcastro: stick them in bzr ;)
[19:10] <nhandler1> jcastro: I'm sure I could get a copy of the one j1mc gave at our release party
[19:10] <jcastro> popey: let's go with putting them on the wiki for now
[19:10] <popey> ok
[19:11] <jcastro> popey: I want to avoid having to tell people "go learn DVCS" when all they want is slides
[19:11] <jcastro> popey: probably a good idea to stick them in bzr for advanced users as well though
[19:11] <jono> sorry, folks, back
[19:11] <jcastro> ok
[19:11] <jono> got a quick call
[19:11] <jcastro> so so far we have
[19:11] <jono> I have submerged the phone in acid
[19:11] <jcastro> packaging, bug, and translation jams
[19:11] <jono> and docs
[19:11]  * jcastro adds to the wiki
[19:11] <nhandler1> jono: Could you maybe create a wiki page explaining how to setup a live video stream?
[19:11] <popey> jcastro / jono be good to get approved locos to _lead_ by example
[19:12] <jcastro> popey: \o/
[19:12] <popey> put "pressure" on the approved ones that they should be showing the unapproved ones how to do it
[19:12] <JayFo> ++
[19:12] <popey> and of course the unapproved ones can use this as ammuntion for going for approval later
[19:12] <JayFo> indeed
[19:12] <dpm> what about the translations jams, have you guys got any ideas or suggestions for them?
[19:12] <mhall119|work> there should be a Big Brothers/Big Sisters, only with approved/unapproved locos
[19:12] <jono> nhandler, I am not very knowledgeable on that - maybe someone else can
[19:12] <jono> popey, entirely agree
[19:13] <nhandler1> jono: Maybe just outline what you did to get the At Home With Jono Bacon working
[19:13] <jdardon> nhandler1 theres a package called webcam-server you can do it with that
[19:13] <jono> nhandler, oh, sure, I can help with that
[19:13] <popey> be better if people turn up rather than just watch geeks on video
[19:13] <jono> so do you folks think we need a few sessions on organizing events/
[19:13] <jono> I think that could be useful
[19:13] <jono> maybe by a team that organized an event at the global bug jam
[19:13] <nhandler1> popey: That is true, but it would be cool getting to watch some other LoCos jam
[19:13] <popey> (although I appreciat that there is a certain type of person who enjoys watching geeks in a 320x200 window)
[19:14] <jcastro> we can definately do some loco-to-loco training between now and then "how to run a good bug jam" etc
[19:14] <BUGabundo> hey tgpraveen
[19:14] <tgpraveen> hey BUGabundo
[19:14] <czajkowski> nhandler1: it would actually, be kinda fun too
[19:14] <evanrmurphy> translations jams may be tricky some of the l10n teams are very dispersed. Maybe coalesce the best we can and be sure to meet on IRC.
[19:14] <tgpraveen> saw your msg and came
[19:14] <BUGabundo> jcastro: I'll try to push it to our LoCo
[19:14] <BUGabundo> we already have the place!
[19:15] <czajkowski> evanrmurphy: we're having a summer jam in 2 weeks bugs and translations, so we're gonna see how it goes.
[19:15] <BUGabundo> maybe we can make to events,... not sure
[19:15] <popey> czajkowski: mail the podcast with the details so we can promote it!
[19:15] <evanrmurphy> czajkowski: is it global?
[19:15] <czajkowski> evanrmurphy: nope Ireland
[19:15] <czajkowski> popey: okie dokie will do
[19:15] <dpm> czajkowski: that sounds brilliant. I'm looking forward to see how it goes
[19:15] <jono> so can we first decide if we think some IRC tuition sessions would be good?
[19:16] <jcastro> yes
[19:16] <jono> I am also planning on a tuition video on my vidcast
[19:16] <jcastro> for sure they are, we did them last time
[19:16] <jono> I can schedule that for next week
[19:16] <jcastro> put me in for 1 or 2 "how to run a successful jam" sessions
[19:16] <jono> who would like to do the IRC session?
[19:16] <jono> jcastro, great, can you schedule them today and announce them/
[19:16] <jono> also update the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGlobalJam page
[19:16] <jcastro> yep
[19:16] <jono> cheers pal
[19:16] <nhandler1> Could we also try to put up some example jam schedules on the wiki as well as some example material
[19:16] <jono> I will do the video thing on Wed next week
[19:16] <popey> jono: make sure you pimp the videos ahead of time!
[19:17] <jono> popey, will do for sure
[19:17] <jono> will blog and put on the website
[19:17] <popey> send to loco contacts
[19:17] <keffie_jayx> jono, I did mention marketing
[19:17] <jono> popey, will do
[19:17] <jono> keffie_jayx, yeah?
[19:17] <popey> thanks :)
[19:17] <JayFo> better put out some kind of notice today jono so I can get the word out here
[19:17] <promeme> hi from Guatemala
[19:17] <JayFo> :)
[19:17] <keffie_jayx> jono, lots of people interested in getting together and tidying stuff like spreadubutnu and the like
[19:17] <evanrmurphy> czajkowski: that does sound great.
[19:17] <jono> JayFo, I will announce today
[19:17] <JayFo> k
[19:17] <jono> keffie_jayx, ahhh yes
[19:18] <jono> I think thats totally cool for a jam
[19:18] <keffie_jayx> jono, could we explore the possibility of seeing how we can incorporate that post october UGJ
[19:18] <jono> keffie_jayx, totally
[19:18] <jono> I think with each event we expand where it make sense
[19:18] <jono> so, quick q
[19:18] <jono> who here has a blog?
[19:19] <jono> m/
[19:19] <jono> o/
[19:19] <evanrmurphy> hi promeme
[19:19] <popey> o/
[19:19] <keffie_jayx> o/
[19:19] <linuxninja> I have a blog
[19:19] <JayFo> akgraner does :-)
[19:19] <JayFo> heh
[19:19] <jdardon> promeme: 0/
[19:19] <BUGabundo> JayFo: eheh
[19:19] <JayFo> hee hee
[19:19] <promeme> hi evanmurphy!
[19:19] <BUGabundo> jono: jneves has one too!
[19:19] <jdardon> 0/
[19:19] <promeme> Here in Guatemala we have a Blog!
[19:19] <keffie_jayx> para preguntas en español pm a mi
[19:19] <nhandler1> I can get a blog post out
[19:19] <promeme> jdardon 0/
[19:19] <jono> can I ask you all to blog the Ubuntu Global Jam ?
[19:20] <jono> also remember it is NOT the Ubuntu Global 'Bug' Jam
[19:20] <L1pe> o/
[19:20] <jneves> BUGabundo, jono: 3 actually: personal, ubuntu-pt and others
[19:20] <linuxninja> jono: I'll post something...
[19:20] <nhandler1> jono: I'll get something up by the weekend
[19:20] <linuxninja> I won't be able to go to a "Jam" event or host one.
[19:20] <linuxninja> :(
[19:20] <promeme> I think we can support to post it into ubuntu-guatemala.org too!
[19:20] <jcastro> linuxninja: internet participation is always welcome
[19:21] <linuxninja> jcastro: Cool!
[19:21] <itnet7> sure will blog about it!
[19:21] <patriconway> will there be a link on the main site, so that us who don't have blogs could tweet or facebook it?
[19:21] <jono> btw http://twitter.com/jadi
[19:21] <promeme> somebody else from Guatemala here?
[19:21] <jono> awesome, I think getting the word out on our blogs makes total sense
[19:21] <jcastro> jono: !
[19:21] <nhandler1> jono: That reminds me, microblogging is a great way to get the word out
[19:21] <jcastro> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGlobalJam
[19:21] <jcastro> is the page you want to link to
[19:21] <jono> jcastro, no, look at the recent tweet on that feed
[19:22] <jono> @jonobacon IRC is blocked. Tell our regards to Ubuntu Global Jam from Iran. I'm twitting the #iranElection story from a Kubuntu machine :)
[19:22] <BUGabundo> nhandler over done already?
[19:22] <jono> :)
[19:22] <jcastro> yeah I saw that!
[19:22] <jono> ahhh
[19:22] <jono> ok, thanks all for blogging
[19:22] <jcastro> I was responding to patriconway
[19:22] <jcastro> who wanted a link
[19:22] <itnet7> I think it's important for those with only twitter to take a moment to join identi.ca and link their accounts, two birds one stone!
[19:22] <jono> and microblogging is valid as nhaines says
[19:22] <promeme> is already any art/banner designed?
[19:22] <jono> nhandler rather
[19:22] <evanrmurphy> I'll make efforts to get Jam events in Texas and Pennsylvania (in TX now, PA in October)
[19:22] <jcastro> promeme: help welcome on that front!
[19:23] <pleia2> yep, we'll have something in PA
[19:23] <pleia2> er US-PA :)
[19:23] <jono> great to see more events on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGlobalJam/Events appearing :)
[19:23] <jono> damn, we need to add a When column on the tables
[19:23] <jono> oops
[19:23] <keffie_jayx> jcastro, can we use the live-streaming ?
[19:23] <itnet7> When we secure our teams involvement we'll post about Florida's events
[19:23] <jono> jcastro, could you go fix that for me now?
[19:23] <jcastro> experienced loco people: I have a added a list for prep tutorials, feel free to add more if you have something to share with people
[19:23] <jono> so people can specify which dates the jam will happen
[19:23] <jcastro> jono: on it
[19:24] <jono> jcastro, cheers dude
[19:24] <jcastro> keffie_jayx: yeah, live streaming would be awesome
[19:24]  * itnet7 goes to check to see if someone hasn't already added any
[19:24] <mhall119|work> itnet7: too late
[19:24] <JayFo> can I put more than one Jam jono or jcastro? I want to do a preliminary Jam to work any bugs out before Oct.
[19:24]  * keffie_jayx though of identi.ca live-streming, uds style
[19:24] <jono> JayFo, do as many as you like!
[19:24] <jono> :)
[19:24] <itnet7> Thanks mhall119|work !!
[19:25] <JayFo> cool :)
[19:25] <mhall119|work> itnet7: feel free to prettify it with proper links and such
[19:25] <jono> I think what we really need help with here is helping teams understand how to do a jab
[19:25] <mhall119|work> I didn't want to keep the page open for editing for any longer than necessary
[19:25] <itnet7> Will do when some of the wiki activity dies down
[19:25] <evanrmurphy> hola fmolinero
[19:26] <linuxninja> It seems to me these "Jam" events are for geeks and not end users....
[19:26] <JayFo> not mine linuxninja
[19:26] <linuxninja> I would like to see more focus on the end user who doesn't know anything
[19:26] <JayFo> I'm doing a combi-installfest too
[19:26] <linuxninja> JayFo: Good
[19:26] <conch> end users can triage many simple bugs
[19:26] <mhall119|work> build days/install fests are good ways to get non-geeks involved
[19:26] <JayFo> I think the best way to find doc bugs is for new people to work through them
[19:26] <BUGabundo> linuxninja:  I've read success stories of ppl that helped , even if they didn't knew what FOSS/Ubuntu was.
[19:27] <patriconway> installfests are fun!!
[19:27]  * jcastro wrecks the wifi
[19:27] <jcastro> fixing!
[19:27] <JayFo> :-O
[19:27] <popey> we had a guy turn up at ours who wanted his computer fixed :)
[19:27] <JayFo> hahaha
[19:27] <popey> completely new to ubuntu
[19:27] <jono> ok, I am going to schedule my video now so we can announce, one sec
[19:27] <jcastro> you can even do hardware testing
[19:28] <jcastro> so like, if a non geek shows up with a laptop
[19:28] <JayFo> that is the plan jcastro
[19:28] <BUGabundo> popey: today we have a LoCoTeam and a brand new guy is poping by
[19:28] <jcastro> fire up a live CD
[19:28] <jcastro> get info, submit, done!
[19:28] <JayFo> yep :)
[19:28] <JayFo> great minds...
[19:28] <linuxninja> BUGabundo: I think good ideas can come from just about anywhere
[19:29] <akgraner> I was thinking an all things ubuntu event...be flexible and just go with it....
[19:29] <promeme> how do we shall confirm our participation in this global jam guys?
[19:29] <JayFo> akgraner, good idea
[19:29] <jcastro> promeme: add an event to the page
[19:29] <JayFo> we can do the quick talks like jcastro was saying'
[19:29] <gotunandan> linuxninja: i think end users can get involved in 5-a-day
[19:29] <jcastro> promeme: we don't track per person, just groups
[19:29] <JayFo> while we do install/doc/hardware
[19:29] <promeme> ok, I guess JDardon can do it, so, we are aboard as Guatemala Team!
[19:30] <gotunandan> linuxninja: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/5-A-Day
[19:30] <linuxninja> gotunandan: I'll check that out
[19:30] <promeme> ah, jcastro, understood, I mean as Guatemala Team... jeje
[19:31] <jcastro> no worries
[19:31] <jcastro> are there any other things you guys might need from us?
[19:31] <conch> you need a brief "how to do it" presentation at the start of each day because different people turn up
[19:31] <jcastro> as far as helping you make an awesome evetn
[19:31] <linuxninja> I think too many people see Ubuntu/Linux as a geek thing. While this "Jam" event is very cool and will help Ubuntu. I think we need more end user events of some kind.
[19:31] <conch> linuxninja: you are absolutely right
[19:32] <mhall119|work> did anyone post the Running an Event link?  If not, here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Jams
[19:32] <BUGabundo> linuxninja: a room filled with PCs is always geek
[19:32] <jcastro> mhall119|work: I just added the Jams header to the Global Page, so the instructions should be more obvious now
[19:32] <evanrmurphy> linuxninja: I agree as well. But I think the Jam should go on, we should just get some end-user events going on too.
[19:32] <war_> mhall119|work: sorry to interfere, but the content of this link is completely insufficient
[19:32] <promeme> everyone has a geek inside!
[19:32] <WanderingKnight> linuxninja: over here in Argentina team we've been seeing lots of end users but very few able geeks willing to actively participate
[19:32] <linuxninja> BUGabundo: These days everyone has a computer. Not everyone has Ubunut on it though....
[19:33] <jcastro> evanrmurphy: we always encorage people to run jams on their own whenever they want
[19:33] <WanderingKnight> I believe it's very good to try something like this
[19:33] <jcastro> evanrmurphy: some do, some don't, some do but not tell people, etc.
[19:33] <JayFo> linuxninja, that is a shame :)
[19:33] <mhall119|work> war_: is there something you'd like to add to it, or something more you need?
[19:33] <jono> ok
[19:33] <gotunandan> linuxninja: the word needs to get out though, even to end users, because there might be users who want to help but do not know of it
[19:33] <jcastro> evanrmurphy: part of the reason we do a global one is for teams to become confident in running a jam so they can do so on their own if they want
[19:33] <itnet7> linuxninja: there is nothing stopping you from holding a "meet and greet" Jam
[19:33] <sebsebseb> I think end user training is important, for people that aren't that technical
[19:33] <linuxninja> WanderingKnight: It's hard to get people to participate
[19:33] <popey> linuxninja: thats always the way
[19:33] <jono> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/at-home-with-jono-bacon on Wed 24th June at 6pm UTC I will do a training video
[19:33] <war_> mhall119|work: i would like to see a clear indication of what the jam should provide
[19:33] <jono> spread the word :)
[19:34] <jcastro> gotunandan: right, that's why we're starting to plan in june, we have months to get the word out
[19:34] <evanrmurphy> jcastro: good to know, thanks.
[19:34] <war_> what shall be achieved and how to do that
[19:34] <itnet7> linuxninja: buy them pizza, they will come :-)
[19:34] <mhall119|work> war_: I don't think there is a standard of what a jam should provide
[19:34] <Ging> do i get pizza?
[19:34] <mhall119|work> or achieve
[19:34] <linuxninja> itnet7: True.. Pizza brings people in
[19:34] <jcastro> evanrmurphy: myself and daniel are always available to help out-of-band jams
[19:34] <promeme> get some models to promote!
[19:34] <popey> Ging: if you buy it
[19:34] <jcastro> evanrmurphy: like if you need an IRC training session or something
[19:34] <mhall119|work> itnet7: and cupcakes
[19:34] <war_> mhall119|work: even if there is no standard, there should be a clear proceeding that users like the ones i represent can follow
[19:35] <Ging> if they organised a global bug jam in bbq season that  might be fun
[19:35] <itnet7> Ging come to a Florida event, we'll give you some pizza... mhall119|work, almost forgot cupcakes work too!
[19:35] <war_> mhall119|work: ubuntu austria loco wants to participate but has no clue where to start
[19:35] <jcastro> war_: right, that's why we have these meetings. :D
[19:35] <war_> i tried to follow it but actually i do not understand what you talk about
[19:35] <mhall119|work> Ging: there will be BBQ at the Florida jam
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[19:36] <promeme> hey war_  look at this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Jams
[19:36] <war_> you want to include users, but what should they do
[19:36] <war_> read documentation? correct it? state its unclear?
[19:36] <mhall119|work> war_: talk, eat, show off their desktop, whatever
[19:36] <war_> promeme: I did read the pages
[19:36] <jcastro> war_: each jam page has instructions
[19:36] <czajkowski> itnet7: can I come :)
[19:36] <jcastro> we need to develop those pages to be useful for people
[19:37] <itnet7> czajkowski: you are always welcome! :-)
[19:37] <war_> jcastro: if they are clear to you, fine, but not for my people
[19:37] <czajkowski> itnet7: you may regret saying that :)
[19:37] <war_> we do not know how to contribute
[19:37] <mhall119|work> czajkowski: no he won't, because it's not going to be at his house
[19:37] <promeme> well, so do you have any doubt? maybe we can help you exactly on what you need...
[19:37] <evanrmurphy> jcastro: thx again
[19:37] <itnet7> mhall119|work: righto!
[19:37] <limb_clock> hello :)
[19:37] <JayFo> war_, you can do something as simple as install
[19:37] <rowinggolfer> hang on... this jam is planned for 2-4th of October. that only allows for 25 days for liver to recover before the launch of Karmic. A little too close?
[19:38] <limb_clock> jono: thanks for the link in the twitter
[19:38] <war_> JayFo: we had install parties
[19:38] <JayFo> rowinggolfer, not if you keep drinking for the 25 :)
[19:38] <JayFo> war_, did you file bugs for issues you encountered?
[19:38] <mhall119|work> war_: can you work with another LoCo close by that has been doing this for a while?
[19:38] <itnet7> war_: I would suggest you wait until the list populates a little more and then join some other loco channels and see if we can help you
[19:38] <war_> as I understand, jams are here to fix something or make things go smoother
[19:38] <jono> limb_clock, :)
[19:38] <linuxninja> rowinggolfer: Hahaha... And wow! Were that close to the launch of Karmic...
[19:38] <itnet7> come up with some ideas!
[19:39] <limb_clock> jono: also, it's great that you're on FLOSS weekly :)
[19:39] <jono> limb_clock, thanks! :)
[19:39] <conch> war_: also to resolve or diagnose existing bugs
[19:39] <jono> I think we might need some tutorial sessions earlier jcastro
[19:39] <promeme> bye guys, need to lunch right now... let's keep on track!
[19:39] <limb_clock> jono: it was the first podcast concerning FLOSS stuff i got on my iPod :D
[19:39] <jcastro> jono: I can do more
[19:39] <JayFo> 'FLOSSing with Bacon' :-P
[19:39] <war_> conch: how can we resolve bugs, I personally gave up even bothering
[19:39] <limb_clock> strange really
[19:39] <jono> limb_clock, awesome :)
[19:39] <jono> jcastro, I think some in a few weeks would be wise
[19:39] <limb_clock> i have the same first name as Leo Laporte
[19:39] <limb_clock> ;)
[19:39] <jcastro> jono: ok
[19:39] <promeme> estoy empezando a generar algo de info de como hacer el evento, se las comparto en espanol luego...
[19:39] <jono> as we need people to get events organized soon
[19:40] <rowinggolfer> Speaking of Karmix (which I acknowledge we weren't) I am concerned that 9.10 is delayed 3 days. 9.11 has a completely different connotation.
[19:40] <conch> war_: attempt to reproduce or else ask for more information
[19:40] <limb_clock> events?
[19:40] <promeme> por si alguno lo necesita...
[19:40] <promeme> have a nice day!
[19:40] <limb_clock> i use ubuntu 9.04 here. with a SiS chip
[19:40] <limb_clock> the SiS chip that isn't supported 3D acceleration wise
[19:40] <war_> conch: i think we can take that on our agenda
[19:41] <jono> ok, lets not take this off topic
[19:41] <war_> still, maybe this can be added to the Jam webpage
[19:41] <akgraner> So as I understand this event we can make this Jam anything ubuntu we want based on our loco and their needs and skill sets?
[19:41] <jono> are there any other things we think we need to discuss to encourage teams to organize events for the Global Jam?
[19:41] <jono> akgraner, yep
[19:41] <akgraner> ok great
[19:41] <conch> war_: it helps if people work in pairs on areas/ applications that they know a little about
[19:41] <jcastro> war_: add it!
[19:42] <war_> jcastro: add what to what?
[19:42] <evanrmurphy> Question: Is the UGJ intended specifically for work on Karmic, or whatever the organizers decide? (Oct. 2-4 is quite close to release date, is it not?)
[19:42] <jcastro> war_: add what you feel you need to the pages
[19:42] <jono> jcastro, you totally bust my tables :P
[19:42] <jcastro> jono: sorry, should have waited until after everyone was trying to add their event. :-/
[19:42] <war_> jcastro: i have questions not answers yet
[19:42] <BUGabundo> evanrmurphy: usually work is done on "that" moment in time
[19:42] <jono> jcastro, no worries, we can fix it
[19:43] <BUGabundo> its a JAM
[19:43] <BUGabundo> you can squash bugs, help ppl upgrade,install etc
[19:43] <war_> I will discuss this with our team and set up an agenda
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[19:43] <jono> war_, great :)
[19:43] <rowinggolfer> 2-4 of october is also close to lugradio live. I fear for the health of UK ubuntu users this october.
[19:44] <jcastro> heh
[19:44] <war_> jono: does it have to be october 2 - 4?
[19:44] <popey> :)
[19:44] <mhall119|work> it's also the week before Atlanta Linux Fest, and a few weeks before Florida Linux Show
[19:44] <popey> rowinggolfer: you'll cope
[19:44] <war_> I got that from your blog
[19:44] <popey> there is now way to find a weekend that doesn't clash with _something_
[19:44] <rowinggolfer> popey - I'll be looking down the barrel of a divorce
[19:44] <jono> war_, yes its agreed now
[19:44] <jono> popey, exactly
[19:45] <txwikinger_work> and a few weeks before Ontario Linuxfest
[19:45] <jono> and if an event is happening, do a jam at the event
[19:45] <jono> thats what the california did at SCALE :)
[19:45] <war_> fine, ubuntu-at is part
[19:45] <mhall119|work> jono: jcastro said I could list an event outside of that weekend, as long as I specify
[19:45] <evanrmurphy> BUGabundo: are you saying it's a ripe time to get together because it's so close to release?
[19:45] <Gareth> yay. SCALE.
[19:45] <jono> mhall119|work, sure :)
[19:45]  * Gareth creeps back to his corner
[19:45] <mhall119|work> +1 Scale
[19:45] <gotunandan> war_: the global jam is on october 2 -4 , but any of those events can be carried out at anytime as well, it always helps !
[19:46] <jcastro> for example the Berlin LoCo's has Jams like every week
[19:46] <jcastro> we encourage that!
[19:46] <jcastro> as many as you want to have
[19:46] <itnet7> jono maybe it would be good to add a mentoring availalbe column as well, to let other loco's know who is willing to be contacted for advice on the Jams
[19:46] <jono> ok, i think we are about done
[19:46] <King_Arthur> Now that Empathy has voice/video we can now get us older (45) people to help out. Sign Language is easier than typing.
[19:46] <conch> it's good if everyone does it at the same time because you can irc and stream video to other groups
[19:46] <jono> itnet7, thats a great idea
[19:46] <BUGabundo> we have a LoCoteam meeting open to public every month in Portugal
[19:46] <jcastro> itnet7: that's brilliant
[19:47] <jono> anything else to discuss?
[19:47] <jcastro> jono: announce the next irc meeting
[19:47] <rowinggolfer> jono - I can fully understand the benefit of local "jams". I would love to organise one here (North of Scotland). However, in what way is this a global event? how would "jammers" in Inverness be aware that they are part of a larger event?
[19:47] <jneves> rowinggolfer: they'll interact with others on launchpad?
[19:47] <jcastro> jono: monthly on the 3rd thursday is what I have written down
[19:47] <mhall119|work> is there a twitter/identi.ca tag to use for the events?
[19:47] <jcastro> jono: that'll give everyone time to go do awesome stuff, then we can all reconvene and deal with problems, etc.
[19:48] <jcastro> mhall119|work: we defined some on the page last time, feel free to add whatever makes sense
[19:48] <jcastro> mhall119|work: also, flickr tags as well
[19:48] <jono> rowinggolfer, its global in that we have events happening all over the world on the same weekend
[19:48] <rowinggolfer> jneves. that's not a crowd puller IMHO.
[19:48] <jcastro> we want people to take as many pictures as possible
[19:48] <jono> jcastro, yep
[19:48] <jono> yes, third thursday of each month at this time we will have a meeting
[19:48] <jcastro> rowinggolfer: people will be in and out of IRC all weekend, it gets a nice global vibe to it
[19:49] <jono> ok, thanks everyone
[19:49] <jono> so, if everyone good:
[19:49] <jono>  * blog the event
[19:49] <jono>  * microblog it
[19:49] <Technoviking> jcastro: we could edit the lifestream for !ubuntu, !bugjam, etc...
[19:49] <jono>  * tell your communities
[19:49] <jcastro> Technoviking: yep!
[19:49] <jono>  * organize an event :)
[19:49] <BUGabundo> mhall119|work: #GBJ?
[19:49] <rowinggolfer> impressive - I put "october 2009" into google, and no 4 hit is ubuntu jam.
[19:49] <mhall119|work> BUGabundo: it's not just a bug jam
[19:49] <jcastro> I idle in #ubuntu-localteams if anyone has questions
[19:49] <itnet7> BUGabundo: just what I was UGJ
[19:49] <evanrmurphy> sorry, I had this one question: is the UGJ kind of intended for work on Karmic more than anything?
[19:50] <BUGabundo> mhall119|work: #UbuntGlobalJam ?
[19:50]  * itnet7 thinks that didn't come out right
[19:50] <evanrmurphy> right before the release?
[19:50] <jcastro> evanrmurphy: whatever helps the project.
[19:50] <itnet7> #UGJ
[19:50] <evanrmurphy> jcastro: ok gotcha
[19:50] <mhall119|work> #UGJ or #UbuntuGlobalJam would work
[19:50] <itnet7> Short and concise remember 140 characters
[19:50] <itnet7> :-)
[19:50] <Technoviking> #ucj FTW!
[19:50] <mhall119|work> +1 #UGJ + 136 other characters
[19:50] <itnet7> and a group too boot!
[19:51] <jdardon> jono: could you help us with a sponsor for the Guatemalan team to make this jams?
[19:51] <itnet7> s/too/to
[19:51] <evanrmurphy> rowinggolfer: that is really impressive
[19:51] <Technoviking> We need a greasemonkey script to convert LP<bugnumber> in identi.ca to the bug LP link:)
[19:51] <rowinggolfer> jono - I'm right behind you buddy. good luck with this.
[19:51] <akgraner> swwweeeeetttt!!!  this should be fun!
[19:52] <jcastro> Technoviking: file a bug on gwibber for that please.
[19:52] <jono> thanks folks!
[19:52] <jcastro> Technoviking: and assign it to me
[19:52] <jono> gonna be awesome!
[19:52] <jcastro> thanks everyone!
[19:52] <Technoviking> jcastro: got it
[19:52] <evanrmurphy> thanks jono and jcastro
[19:52] <jcastro> also, feel free to update the wiki pages with info
[19:52] <jono> jdardon, now sure I could help sponsor, sorry
[19:52] <jono> thanks evanrmurphy :)
[19:52] <jcastro> they're now "ours", so if stuff needs fixing, go ahead
[19:53] <rowinggolfer> I don't like jam that much. too sweet.
[19:53] <patriconway> rowinggolfer did you notice that we're several links above windows 7 on that search
[19:53] <jdardon> jono: thanks if you know somebody could do it would be great
[19:53] <jono> jdardon, will do :)
[19:53] <kn100> hey guys
[19:53] <JayFo> thanks jono and jcastro
[19:54] <jono> JayFo, thanks!
[19:54] <jcastro> ok, fixing the events table, no one edit please!
[19:54] <rowinggolfer> patriconway: seriously, ubuntu must have friends in high places at google.
[19:54] <conch> thanks too jono, jcastro
[19:54] <evanrmurphy> rowinggolfer: instead of jam, try fresh berries with a bit of honey
[19:54] <evanrmurphy> so good
[19:54] <rowinggolfer> ubuntu global berries and honey. that'll work
[19:54] <kn100> ubuntu-fresh-berrys
[19:54] <patriconway> rowinggolfer well there is that rumor that quite a few of the techs at google run a remixed ubuntu with tighter integration for their cloud etc
[19:54] <mhall119|work> UbuntuGlobalFreshBerriesWithABitOfHoney is too long
[19:55] <popey> i read that as "try fresh batteries with a bit of honey" and wondered if evanrmurphy was a robot
[19:55]  * brobostigon wonders if he is allowed to speak?
[19:55] <popey> patriconway: it's not a rumour, it's well known Google Corporate run Ubuntu internally
[19:55] <itnet7> brobostigon: it's an open meeting why wouldn't you be able to speak?
[19:55] <evanrmurphy> popey: you must hang out with the coolest robots, or at least the most healthy ones
[19:55] <popey> :)
[19:56] <brobostigon> itnet7: oh, i didnt know, thanks, :)
[19:56] <evanrmurphy> popey: oh I see the "batteries" now lol
[19:56] <itnet7> brobostigon: no worries
[19:56] <brobostigon> itnet7: thanks much.
[19:56] <jdardon> ok thanks jono jcastro  and everyone! have a great day
[19:57] <rowinggolfer> I still think... if I am going to organise a local ubuntu party... I'll wait for karmic launch.
[19:57] <rowinggolfer> I just think that's more to celebrate
[19:57] <popey> rowinggolfer: this isnt a party
[19:57] <popey> rowinggolfer: it's to get work done
[19:57] <clickwir> rowinggolfer: but people need help all the time.
[19:57] <mhall119|work> rowinggolfer: you're not limited to just one
[19:58] <rowinggolfer> oh... it's not for new users?
[19:58] <Ging> will there be cake?
[19:58] <Grantbow> working while having fun doing it
[19:58] <popey> rowinggolfer: read the fine wiki :)
[19:58] <brobostigon> i was planning a launch party for 9.10, in midlands,uk, now how far away are they going to be from eachother?
[19:58] <mhall119|work> the cake is a lie
[19:58] <mhall119|work> or so I hear
[19:58] <kn100> the cake is a lie
[19:58] <BUGabundo> brobostigon: a few weeks
[19:58] <popey> brobostigon: karmic releases end of october, jam is at start of october
[19:58]  * Ging sulks
[19:58] <Ging> so it's true
[19:58] <kn100> what is ubuntu bug jam exactly?
[19:58] <rowinggolfer> all I've read is http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/1869
[19:58] <brobostigon> popey: ok, good planning,
[19:59] <popey> kn100: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGlobalJam#
[19:59] <kn100> popey just saw that
[19:59] <kn100> lol
[19:59] <brobostigon> BUGabundo: that could mean two, i could plan that.
[19:59] <popey> kn100: It's not a bug jam, it's just Ubuntu Global Jam
[19:59] <kn100> cool
[19:59] <popey> Release parties and Jams tend to be _different_ types of events
[19:59] <czajkowski> popey: clearly having a blonde moment! Sorry!
[19:59] <popey> :) czajkowski
[20:00] <akgraner> rowinggolfer, it's for anyone and everyone  not just one group of users....
[20:00] <rowinggolfer> popey... ok. I got confused by the "organise a event" thread
[20:00] <brobostigon> i have a clear idea, og inviting all the enginers in my area to bugjam, however release party, anyone can come.
[20:00] <popey> brobostigon: anyone can come to both!
[20:01] <rowinggolfer> brobostigon: but jono stated categorically that this was NOT a bug jam
[20:01] <brobostigon> popey: good point, its only big searching and fixing, :), agreed.
[20:01] <popey> rowinggolfer: only because it's not _just_ bugs, its other things too
[20:01] <jono> rowinggolfer, bug jam is *part* of it
[20:01] <jono> its not *only* a bug jam
[20:01] <rowinggolfer> ok.. sorry for being dense.
[20:01] <brobostigon> rowinggolfer: ok, " Ubuntu Global Jam"
[20:01] <kn100> wish i had the knowledge to help
[20:02] <itnet7> brobostigon: rowinggolfer: it's like pick your poison, your free to do more than bugs or just bugs :-)
[20:02] <brobostigon> kn100: we all help in out own way, we all do something different and in different ways to help.
[20:02] <brobostigon> our*
[20:02] <popey> kn100: you'd be surprised
[20:02] <brobostigon> itnet7: that makes sense,
[20:03] <popey> kn100: people can turn up and get going very quickly!
[20:03] <popey> it just takes a little bit of coaching
[20:03] <kn100> i mean actually learning c for examps
[20:03] <kn100> example*
[20:03] <popey> you dont need to know or learn c to contribute
[20:03] <Grantbow> that's quite an example - what are you interested in working on?
[20:04] <kn100> well thats what i wanna know, how can i contribute
[20:04] <popey> kn100: watch jonos video stream next wednesday and find out
[20:04] <czajkowski> kn100: testing, report bugs, translations
[20:04] <rowinggolfer> I would like to get rid of all the python deprecation warnings that python 2.6 has brought to ubuntu.
[20:04] <popey> kn100: the link I pasted does actually list stuff
[20:04] <rowinggolfer> that's surely doable
[20:05] <czajkowski> kn100: bug triaging, like figuring out all the bugs there do they need to be there, or do they need more info in them
[20:05] <kn100> testing i can do, reporting bugs doubt i can since i have never found one believe it or not, and translations, definate non
[20:05] <kn100> i wanna get into writing programs
[20:05] <kn100> but python QT and GTK got me cowering lol
[20:06]  * rowinggolfer notes jono's video date of 24thJune 6pm UTC.
[20:06] <kn100> 24th june
[20:07] <kn100> what day is that
[20:07] <kn100> wednesday?
[20:07] <rowinggolfer> is there a google type calendar for this thing?
[20:07] <popey> rowinggolfer: yes, fridge has a calender
[20:07] <popey> *calendar
[20:07] <kn100> j just use tomboy
[20:07] <kn100> tomboy notes are so helpful
[20:07] <kn100> saved my butt quite a few times
[20:08] <rowinggolfer> so _that's_ why it's called a fridge. I never got that.
[20:09] <kn100> whats better to learn, python or c for end user programming
[20:09] <popey> jono / jcastro are we done here?
[20:13] <kn100> ok.. on the last bug jams success blog
[20:13] <kn100> in the florida picture
[20:13] <kn100> in the ireland picture even
[20:13] <kn100> theres a guy using a macbook o_0
[20:13] <popey> so?
[20:13] <kn100> lol
[20:13] <popey> Macs run linux
[20:14] <kn100> yup
[20:14] <czajkowski> kn100: aye not mac os on it
[20:14] <czajkowski> actual Ubuntu on it, I think
[20:14] <kn100> is it you czajkowski
[20:14] <czajkowski> kn100: but I was sitting beside the guy who had it
[20:14] <kn100> http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3395/3299129303_a85e43c5a3.jpg
[20:15]  * brobostigon leaves
[20:15]  * markie- leaves
[20:15] <kn100> i wish there was more info on how ubuntu is coded, how to bug fix, etc
[20:15] <popey> there is
[20:15] <kn100> google isnt finding much
[20:15] <kn100> or maybe thats me
[20:16] <dariusH> kn100: try the ubuntu wiki's there's alot on there
[20:16] <popey> kn100: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs
[20:16] <kn100> i think i am going to triage
[20:19] <kn100> ern where the hell is the ubuntu bugs part where people can triage?
[20:20] <gotunandan> kn100: you can get involved in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/5-A-Day
[20:20] <kn100> saw that
[20:20] <stefanlsd> kn100: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/GettingStarted
[20:20] <kn100> ubuntu community ftw
[20:21] <BUGabundo> bye
[20:21] <kn100> stefanlsd: erm that is turning .tar.gz SC into .deb packages right?
[20:22] <stefanlsd> kn100: 1 part of it. anything to do with the dev side of Ubuntu. ie. fixing bugs, patches etc
[20:22] <kn100> oh i see
[20:25] <gotunandan> kn100: packaging is what the MOTU members do, they handle the universe repository
[20:25] <kn100> i think i'm going to leave that for now
[20:25] <gotunandan> kn100: but the .deb packages are not only sources, they contain the actual binary files too
[20:26] <kn100> do any of you guys package?
[20:30] <popey> i have done a little
[20:31] <kn100> hard?
[20:32] <itnet7> kn100: some are a lot more difficult than others
[20:33] <kn100> ok, erm. i think i am going to stick with attempting to learn python
[20:33] <kn100> then i can write my own programs lol
[20:33]  * mhall119|work is learning python
[20:33] <kn100> mhall119|work: worked out GUI programs yet?
[20:34] <mhall119|work> not yet, but planning on doing some pygtk
[20:34] <itnet7> kn100: that wasn't said to discourage you :-)
[20:34] <kn100> itnet7 i know
[20:34] <itnet7> coolo
[20:34] <kn100> but it looks a like a little too much for me to handls
[20:34] <kn100> so i am going to continue to try and figure out python
[20:35] <mhall119|work> python is pretty easy to get going with
[20:35] <mhall119|work> GTK, not so mcuh
[20:35] <kn100> yeah
[20:35] <kn100> i wrote some programs in python allready using Tkinter and pygame (simple media player), but i cant figure out GTK
[20:36] <mhall119|work> kn100: how was pygame?  I need that for Qimo
[20:36] <kn100> i only used its media playback capabilities, and it worked quite well
[20:37] <kn100> only thing is it doesnt handle non english charecters very well
[20:37] <kn100> just throws an exception
[20:38] <kn100> i wish there were was an ide that worked like vb6
[20:38] <kn100> wysiwyg, then jump to code view, and write the visual basic code behind the buttons
[20:38] <mhall119|work> kn100: Glade
[20:39] <kn100> Glade i couldnt get the hang of, worked nothing like visual basic, QT worked almost perfect for what i needed it for, but i couldnt figure out how to get python code out of it
[20:39] <kn100> only .ui files
[20:39] <mhall119|work> Glade lets you separate the UI from the logic
[20:40] <mhall119|work> oh, ok
[20:40] <kn100> visual basic was like html and php but a programming lanuage
[20:40] <kn100> language
[20:40] <mhall119|work> I never use WYSIWYG UI editors, never liked them
[20:40] <kn100> it makes prototyping programs so easy
[20:40] <mhall119|work> PHP is a programming language
[20:40] <kn100> plus visual basic, while not cross platform, was done every effectively
[20:41] <kn100> mhall119|work: you know what i meant, like c#
[20:41] <ScottK> If you like C#, you can use C# in Ubuntu.
[20:41] <kn100> no
[20:41] <mhall119|work> I thought I did, but the C# comment makes me more confused
[20:41] <kn100> lol
[20:41] <nhaines> Best to stick out Python.  :)
[20:41] <kn100> lemme try and clarify
[20:42] <kn100> visual basic worked like dreamweaver, but was a lot more powerful than php/html obviously
[20:42] <kn100> well was similar to dreamweaver
[20:42] <kn100> interface design very drag and droppy
[20:42] <kn100> like qt'sb
[20:42] <kn100> but i cant figure out how to put python code into the UI file if you know what im trying to say
[20:43] <nhaines> kn100: you mean like it had a decent code editor and a GUI editor?
[20:43] <nhaines> kn100: SPE might help.
[20:43] <kn100> nahaines yep
[20:43] <nhandler> Might I suggest moving some of this obvious non-meeting discussion to another channel
[20:43]  * mhall119|work never used dreamweaver
[20:43] <kn100> Stanis python editor?
[20:43] <kn100> and nhandler yes
[20:43] <nhaines> Whoops!  nhandler's right.  :)
[20:43] <kn100> anyone want to move to my channel to continure this?
[20:43] <mhall119|work> kn100: sure
[20:44] <kn100> #unemployed
[20:44] <nhaines> heh
[21:32] <czajkowski> itnet7: *ping*
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[21:57] <lool> Hey
[21:58] <ogra_> moo
[21:59] <plars> bock
[21:59] <ogra_> where is mr. casadevall ?
[22:02] <NCommander> #startmeeting
[22:02] <MootBot> Meeting started at 16:02. The chair is NCommander.
[22:02] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[22:02] <NCommander> *coughs*
[22:02] <ogra_> ah
[22:02] <NCommander> [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Roadmap
[22:02] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Roadmap
[22:02] <NCommander> [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2009/20090618
[22:02] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2009/20090618
[22:02] <ogra_> no agenda ?
[22:02] <ogra_> ah
[22:02] <ogra_> i'm slow
[22:02] <NCommander> Sorry, I wasn't watching the clock.
[22:03] <NCommander> [topic] Action Item Review
[22:03] <MootBot> New Topic:  Action Item Review
[22:03] <NCommander> [topic] ogra to investigate pm-dashboard (co)
[22:03] <MootBot> New Topic:  ogra to investigate pm-dashboard (co)
[22:03] <ogra_> co, sorry
[22:03] <NCommander> co on the next two action items for me
[22:03] <NCommander> [topic] NCommander to investigate thunderbird segfaults on ARM (https://launchpad.net/bugs/340595)
[22:03] <MootBot> New Topic:  NCommander to investigate thunderbird segfaults on ARM (https://launchpad.net/bugs/340595)
[22:04] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 340595 in thunderbird "thunderbird-bin failed to start: burned lots of CPU crashed with SIGSEGV (dup-of: 385325)" [Undecided,Invalid]
[22:04] <NCommander> (this is now on our roadmap)
[22:04] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 385325 in thunderbird "[armel] thunderbird-bin crashed with SIGSEGVI" [Medium,Confirmed]
[22:04] <ogra_> really ?
[22:04] <NCommander> And I need to update it for the current bug number :-)
[22:04] <NCommander> Yeah
[22:04] <ogra_> you did a lot of work on that, didnt you ?
[22:04]  * ogra_ wouldnt call that a co
[22:04] <NCommander> Still ongoing actually, as there is a good chance we may get stuck with TB2
[22:04] <GrueMaster> I think bug 337809 may be moot as it was lpia.
[22:04] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 337809 in linux "APIC error on CPU 0" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/337809
[22:04] <ogra_> you mean 3 ?
[22:05] <NCommander> ogra, no, I'm c/oing the vnc4 and the lpia bug
[22:05] <NCommander> ^s
[22:05] <ogra_> (TB3)
[22:05] <NCommander> Oh, es
[22:05] <NCommander> *yes
[22:05] <lool> GrueMaster: It doesn't happen with i386 kernels?
[22:06] <GrueMaster> I'll double check, but I don't think it happens with UNR, only MID.  It's been a while since I looked.
[22:06] <NCommander> GrueMaster, if it doesn't happen with UNR, I think we can safely ax that bug.
[22:06] <GrueMaster> That's what I said.
[22:07] <GrueMaster> Will retest soonish.
[22:07] <NCommander> [action] GrueMaster to retest 337809 on i386
[22:07] <MootBot> ACTION received:  GrueMaster to retest 337809 on i386
[22:07] <lool> NCommander: I'm happy if you just conclude the work you started on TB2 arm issues and call it broken; perhaps one thing which you could attempt is mailing the original upstream bug reporter as he might have found a fix
[22:08] <NCommander> lool, well, if this last test still fails, then yes, I'm going to call it quits on this one
[22:08] <ogra_> lool, well, there is some request from OSG that we find a fix
[22:08] <lool> (The upstream comments indicated the patch might not help)
[22:08] <lool> ogra_: OSG?
[22:08] <lool> Oh OSG
[22:08] <ogra_> heh
[22:08] <lool> Geezm too many acronyms
[22:08] <ogra_> yeah
[22:08] <NCommander> We sure like our TLAs :-)
[22:08] <lool> It's going to be a pain
[22:09] <plars> overseas shipping group?
[22:09] <lool> OEM Solutions Groups   :)
[22:09] <NCommander> ogra, who requested that we work on TB (this is the first I heard of OSG wanting it)
[22:09] <plars> :)
[22:09] <lool> (but perhaps you knew)
[22:09] <ogra_> well, we could go with TB3 in universe
[22:09] <NCommander> I still don't know why they renamed themselves from OEM to OSG
[22:09] <GrueMaster> Obese Smelly Gremlins?
[22:09] <ogra_> but TB was a request
[22:10] <plars> TB2 specifically? or just "a working TB"?
[22:10] <NCommander> plars, for some reason, I can't see OSG jumping with joy at shipping TB3 ....
[22:11] <ogra_> plars, some TB :)
[22:12] <NCommander> Do we have anything else on this bug to say from anyone?
[22:12] <NCommander> Guess not
[22:13] <NCommander> Op
[22:13] <lool> No
[22:13] <NCommander> *ok
[22:13] <NCommander> [topic] Specification Review and Roadmap Construction
[22:13] <MootBot> New Topic:  Specification Review and Roadmap Construction
[22:13] <NCommander> Hopefully by now all specifications have been drafted, and submitted to the roadmap by now
[22:14] <NCommander> I believe the best way to go forward is go through each spec, get the current status, time estimation if its assigned, or work on assigning specs to people
[22:15] <NCommander> Any objections?
[22:15]  * ogra_ still has two in drafting ... but they are listed and have their ETA
[22:15] <NCommander> Alright, no objections, lets go through it
[22:15] <NCommander> [topic]  mobile-unr-karmic-wubi (StevenK)
[22:15] <MootBot> New Topic:   mobile-unr-karmic-wubi (StevenK)
[22:16] <ramaddan__> hi, sorry, I'm new to this, and I did not know how to add a spec for review on the roadmap
[22:16] <ogra_> is StevenK around even ?
[22:16] <lool> ramaddan__: What's your spec?
[22:16] <ramaddan__> I wanted to add this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/LoginVirtualKeyboard/
[22:17] <lool> ramaddan__: That's nice; who would be implementing the changes?  You?
[22:17] <NCommander> ramaddan__, we already have a virtual keyboard spec on our roadmap
[22:17] <GrueMaster> NCommander: It's the same one.
[22:17] <ramaddan__> me with the help of someone
[22:17] <ogra_> cool
[22:18] <lool> ramaddan__: That's all fine; you're welcome to report periodically on progress of your work over the karmic cycle
[22:18] <NCommander> ramaddan__, there's currently no one assigned to that specification, I don't think there will be an issue with assigning you to it. (davidm is in charge of such things0
[22:18] <ramaddan__> however, the spec was broken down into two issues, keyboard for gnome, and keyboard for terminal, but the terminal one is on hold for now
[22:18] <lool> We review spec progress at these meetings, but you can raise any question or issue at any time
[22:19] <ramaddan__> ok
[22:19] <lool> You're not required to attend or anything, but it's nice if we have a way to get updates
[22:19] <NCommander> ramaddan__, I assigned you to the spec on our Roadmap
[22:20] <ramaddan__> well, in terms of progress, I decided to go with a different keyboard called florence as opposed to onboard, is that fine?
[22:20] <ogra_> ramaddan__, can you add a proper spec header to the wikipage ?
[22:20] <ramaddan__> as the florence developper already implemented some important features, as well as being very communicative
[22:21] <ramaddan__> sure, but how should the spec header be?
[22:21] <ogra_> have a look here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Specs/ArmRootfsBuilderGUI
[22:21] <ogra_> cross link it to the LP entry of the spec and make sure davidm assigns it to you in LP
[22:21] <NCommander> I'm going to skip over StevenK's specs unless he pops up before the meeting is over
[22:22] <lool> ramaddan__: Concerning the change in the implementation, just document the rationale on the wiki page
[22:22] <lool> ramaddan__: If you want this virtual keyboard to be enabled by default in Ubuntu flavours which are in "main
[22:22] <lool> "main
[22:22] <lool> Grmf
[22:23] <lool> in "main", you will have to ask for promotion of your packages to main, but you'll see when that's required
[22:23] <NCommander> ramaddan__, as part of the roadmap review, you'll have a opportunity to bring up implementation and progress notes (right now, this is our first Roadmap review session for karmic)
[22:24] <ramaddan__> ok, it reduces strain on me anyway, as I'm new to this, and need to learn my way around, so will promote when it seems ready
[22:24] <NCommander> ramaddan__, no problem, we all hang out in #ubuntu-mobile, and the team is quite litterially spread around the globe, so feel free to drop in and ask for help
[22:25] <NCommander> [topic] mobile-unr-karmic-applications (GrueMaster)
[22:25] <MootBot> New Topic:  mobile-unr-karmic-applications (GrueMaster)
[22:25] <ramaddan__> thanks, that really helps
[22:25] <GrueMaster> Waiting for someone to review it and pick it apart.
[22:25] <NCommander> any volunteers?
[22:26] <GrueMaster> Guess I'll have to have my mom review it.  sigh,
[22:27] <NCommander> GrueMaster, try asking StevenK to, he'll know the issues the best
[22:27] <NCommander> [topic] mobile-karmic-android-execution-environment (NCommander)
[22:27] <MootBot> New Topic:  mobile-karmic-android-execution-environment (NCommander)
[22:27] <NCommander> [action] GrueMaster to ask StevenK to review mobile-unr-karmic-applications spec
[22:27] <MootBot> ACTION received:  GrueMaster to ask StevenK to review mobile-unr-karmic-applications spec
[22:28] <NCommander> On android-execution, I'm dep-wait OSG. It isn't clear their work will be ready in the karmic timeframe, nor have the necessary kernel changes landed
[22:28] <NCommander> I should have a clearer picture on this in the coming weeks
[22:28] <NCommander> [topic] mobile-unr-karmic-accessibility (Unassigned)
[22:28] <MootBot> New Topic:  mobile-unr-karmic-accessibility (Unassigned)
[22:28] <plars> it is drafted and in review state
[22:29] <NCommander> Any takers on reviewing it?
[22:29] <plars> sent email to neil to see if he has anything to add
[22:29] <NCommander> [action] unr-karmic-accessibility to be reviewed and assigned
[22:29] <MootBot> ACTION received:  unr-karmic-accessibility to be reviewed and assigned
[22:30] <NCommander> [topic] mobile-unr-karmic-translations (Unassigned)
[22:30] <MootBot> New Topic:  mobile-unr-karmic-translations (Unassigned)
[22:30] <NCommander> Steve is set as the drafter on it, and I don't see a specification attached
[22:30] <NCommander> I'll c/o it
[22:31] <ramaddan__> ok, I added a header and linked it, is this correct? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/LoginVirtualKeyboard
[22:31] <NCommander> [topic]  mobile-qa-karmic-unr  (plars)
[22:31] <MootBot> New Topic:   mobile-qa-karmic-unr  (plars)
[22:32] <plars> NCommander: drafted, sitting in review state, already assigned to me
[22:32]  * NCommander nods
[22:32] <NCommander> [topic] ubuntu-mobile-voice-user-interface (Unassigned)
[22:32] <MootBot> New Topic:  ubuntu-mobile-voice-user-interface (Unassigned)
[22:32] <NCommander> dyfet is the drafter
[22:33] <dyfet> It should be ready for review...
[22:33] <lool> ramaddan__: Looks good
[22:33] <ramaddan__> lool: Thanks
[22:33] <NCommander> I'll skip the UNR 2-d interface, no Steve
[22:33] <NCommander> *sigh*
[22:33] <ogra_> wait
[22:33] <NCommander> ?
[22:34] <ogra_> that one is supposed to be done by OSG
[22:34] <ogra_> i was discussing it with repete several times this week and he should have contacted davidm about it by now
[22:34] <NCommander> Should I scratch it from our roadmap?
[22:34] <ogra_> k-s (gustavo) is supposed to draft and implement it
[22:35] <ogra_> not before you get the "go" from davidm
[22:35] <lool> Gustavo is working on this, I think he announced plans around E1*
[22:36] <ogra_> El* ?
[22:36] <ogra_> oh the enlightenment
[22:36]  * ogra_ just had one :)
[22:37] <NCommander> ogra, +1 pun
[22:37] <ogra_> lool, right, but the paperwork needs to be done too and steven was eager to get off the hook
[22:37] <ogra_> thats why i was hasseling repete the whole week
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[22:38] <lool> E1* as in E17 and 16
[22:38] <davidm> ogra_, sorry was called awsay on ca phone call
[22:39] <davidm> I've not heard from repete this week
[22:39] <ogra_> davidm, it was about the 2D launcher spec
[22:39] <ogra_> hmm, i'll chase him down tomorrow then
[22:39] <ogra_> so OSG officially takes over the spec
[22:39] <NCommander> [action] ogra to get clarification on the 2D UNR spec
[22:39] <MootBot> ACTION received:  ogra to get clarification on the 2D UNR spec
[22:39] <davidm> Ah, I think it's being done a different way by different people
[22:41] <NCommander> [topic] mobile-karmic-login-virtual-keyboard (ramaddan__)
[22:41] <MootBot> New Topic:  mobile-karmic-login-virtual-keyboard (ramaddan__)
[22:42] <NCommander> ramaddan__, we already discussed this spec earlier, but i didn't get an estimation on how long you except this to take? (i.e., how long until you expect the feature to land in archive)
[22:42] <NCommander> hi StevenK
[22:42]  * StevenK waves sleepily
[22:43]  * ogra_ gives StevenK a caffeine pill
[22:43]  * NCommander starts a caffeine drip
[22:43] <ramaddan__> I placed a month for myself, tentatively
[22:43] <NCommander> ramaddan__, thus noted, thank you :-)
[22:44] <NCommander> [topic]  mobile-unr-karmic-wubi  (StevenK)
[22:44] <MootBot> New Topic:   mobile-unr-karmic-wubi  (StevenK)
[22:44] <ramaddan__> NCommander: and for updates, I come back here on Thursdays, right?
[22:44] <StevenK> NCommander: Blocked on -seeds
[22:44] <NCommander> ramaddan__, right, Thursday at 21:00 UTC
[22:44] <NCommander> [topic] mobile-unr-karmic-seeds (StevenK)
[22:44] <MootBot> New Topic:  mobile-unr-karmic-seeds (StevenK)
[22:45] <ramaddan__> NCommander: how long do the meetings last?
[22:45] <ogra_> ramaddan__, we try to make it in 1h
[22:45] <NCommander> ramaddan__, an hour, although this one probably going to run over (or spill into #ubuntu-mobile)
[22:46] <StevenK> NCommander: Blocked on me learning bzr
[22:46] <ogra_> learning ???
[22:46] <ogra_> wow
[22:46] <StevenK> Or something. Read as, I'm having trouble with it
[22:46] <NCommander> O_o;
[22:46] <ogra_> ask us :)
[22:46] <NCommander> StevenK, we don't bite (much)
[22:46] <ogra_> (not now indeed)
[22:47] <NCommander> [topic] mobile-unr-karmic-iso-versus-img (StevenK)
[22:47] <MootBot> New Topic:  mobile-unr-karmic-iso-versus-img (StevenK)
[22:47] <ramaddan__> ok, will keep that in mind. Bye for now then :-) and thanks to everyone for your help
[22:47] <NCommander> ramaddan__, have a good night!
[22:47] <StevenK> NCommander: No progress, waiting for davidm on that one.
[22:47] <ramaddan__> NCommander: you too
[22:47] <davidm> StevenK, what am I holding up?
[22:48] <NCommander> StevenK, there are a bunch of unassigned UNR specs, do you want them?
[22:48] <StevenK> davidm: It's Review, or it was when I went to bed
[22:48] <davidm> Oh, OK I'll look now
[22:48] <ogra_> most of our specs are review
[22:49] <NCommander> StevenK, check the roadmap, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Roadmap, make sure all the specs you care about are there, and assign yourself to anything you plan on implementing
[22:50] <davidm> NCommander,  mobile-unr-karmic-iso-versus-img approved
[22:50] <NCommander> ^- StevenK
[22:50] <NCommander> [topic] mobile-arm-karmic-softboot-loader (NCommander)
[22:50] <MootBot> New Topic:  mobile-arm-karmic-softboot-loader (NCommander)
[22:51] <NCommander> Redrafted for Karmic. In review.
[22:51] <ogra_> implemented ?
[22:51] <ogra_> slacker !
[22:51] <NCommander> Depwait armel on hardware that supported kexec()
[22:51] <ogra_> :)
[22:51] <StevenK> Okay, then I think I can mark -img-as-iso as Implemented.
[22:51] <NCommander> I'll do dev work on i386 as a basis and port over if approved
[22:51] <NCommander> ogra_, :-P
[22:52] <NCommander> [topic] zeitgeist-for-unr-favorites (njpatel)
[22:52] <MootBot> New Topic:  zeitgeist-for-unr-favorites (njpatel)
[22:52] <NCommander> Who isn't present
[22:52] <NCommander> [topic] mobile-qa-karmic-arm (plars)
[22:52] <MootBot> New Topic:  mobile-qa-karmic-arm (plars)
[22:52] <plars> NCommander: drafted, sitting in review state, already assigned to me
[22:52] <NCommander> \o/
[22:53]  * NCommander will have to make sure all the specs on the Roadmap are either In Review or Approved
[22:53] <NCommander> [topic]  mobile-karmic-data-sync  (Unassigned)
[22:53] <MootBot> New Topic:   mobile-karmic-data-sync  (Unassigned)
[22:53] <davidm> NCommander, zeitgeist-for-unr-favorites is a spec for the DX team
[22:53] <NCommander> davidm, so scratch it from the roadmap?
[22:53] <ogra_> drop it from the roadmap
[22:54] <davidm> NCommander, yes, move it down and comment it out so we don't lose it.
[22:54] <StevenK> No, don't drop it, move it out
[22:54] <NCommander> Done
[22:54] <ogra_> add an "other teams" table ?
[22:55] <ogra_> for the 2D launcher too
[22:55] <NCommander> Sure, good idea
[22:55] <davidm> ogra_, that sounds good
[22:56] <NCommander> done 2.0
[22:56] <NCommander> I guess no one has anything to say about data-sync
[22:56] <NCommander> [topic] mobile-karmic-arm-cloud-builds (lool)
[22:56] <MootBot> New Topic:  mobile-karmic-arm-cloud-builds (lool)
[22:56] <davidm> 4 minute warning
[22:57] <ogra_> davidm, we wont make it in time today
[22:57] <lool> Don't know what there's to comment on this one, NCommander: you updated it, you might want to comment
[22:57] <GrueMaster> I think the data-sync was persias.
[22:57] <NCommander> Drafted the specification, clarified points of the discussion, and added possible implementation ideas, but its still for loic to implement.
[22:57] <NCommander> Needs to be moved to the In Review state.
[22:58] <NCommander> [topic] mobile-arm-karmic-offline-installer-gui (ogra)
[22:58] <MootBot> New Topic:  mobile-arm-karmic-offline-installer-gui (ogra)
[22:58] <lool> Ok, will do that, moving to davidm
[22:58] <ogra_> ready for review
[22:58] <ogra_> we need a nice project name btw
[22:59] <NCommander> For offline-installer?
[22:59] <ogra_> lool wasnt happy with me calling it ubuntu-armel-rootfs-builder
[22:59] <lool> argo
[22:59] <ogra_> ok ok ... i'll call it argo and we are done with that part :)
[22:59] <NCommander> unsupported-rootfs-builder?
[22:59] <NCommander> :-)
[22:59] <lool> I wished we'd at least avoid arm in the name, if possible ubuntu (as learnt from the uvb experience)
[22:59] <NCommander> uvb?
[22:59] <ogra_> NCommander, read the spec ...
[23:00] <NCommander> *ahem*
[23:00] <StevenK> non-livecd-rootfs
[23:00] <NCommander> supported-rootfs-builder :-)
[23:00]  * StevenK hides
[23:00] <ogra_> its supposed to get you a supported setp after my work :)
[23:00]  * NCommander chuckles
[23:00] <StevenK> not-really-livecd-rootfs-i-just-like-the-name
[23:00] <lool> ogra_: I think any random name without too much significance is fine; rootfs-gears or bongodaloop
[23:00] <NCommander> [topic] mobile-karmic-lxde-ubuntu-desktop (ogra)
[23:00] <MootBot> New Topic:  mobile-karmic-lxde-ubuntu-desktop (ogra)
[23:00] <ogra_> bongodaloop !!!
[23:00] <ogra_> i like that
[23:01] <StevenK> Now Look What You've Done
[23:01] <ogra_> well, on lxde dyfet did a lot of work, i reviewed it today but it still needs some corrections
[23:01] <lool> I am happy to provide more of these: shazampaf, deedleadum, carambada
[23:01] <ogra_> dyfet, would you like to take that one ?
[23:01] <dyfet> ogra_: yep, drafted it this afternoon...
[23:02] <ogra_> shazampaf is cool as well
[23:02] <dyfet> ogra_: okay
[23:02] <plars> sounds too much like shamwow
[23:02] <NCommander> [topic] mobile-karmic-general-resolution-for-touchscreen-handling (ogra)
[23:02] <MootBot> New Topic:  mobile-karmic-general-resolution-for-touchscreen-handling (ogra)
[23:02] <ogra_> dyfet, so its yours
[23:02] <dyfet> ogra_: what corrections did you see?  I worked from the notes...
[23:02] <ogra_> touchscreen -> still drafting, thats a lot of paperwork since i need to merge it with the jaunty one
[23:03] <NCommander> I'll skip the mer spec. ENOPERSIA
[23:03]  * GrueMaster has lost track of the current discussion...sleeping.
[23:03] <NCommander> [topic]  mobile-unr-karmic-connman (plars)
[23:03] <MootBot> New Topic:   mobile-unr-karmic-connman (plars)
[23:03] <ogra_> dyfet, well some things missing still, one typo and edubuntu isnt a lightweight desktop ;)
[23:03] <StevenK> GrueMaster: That's because there is two
[23:03] <ogra_> NCommander, redboot ?
[23:03] <plars> NCommander: it's drafted, in review state, but could probably use some better implementation details from someone who understand what it will need better
[23:04] <dyfet> ogra_: will adjust :)
[23:04] <NCommander> ogra, oh wow, I'm starting to fade :-/
[23:04] <NCommander> [topic] mobile-arm-karmic-easy-redboot-management (ogra)
[23:04] <MootBot> New Topic:  mobile-arm-karmic-easy-redboot-management (ogra)
[23:04] <ogra_> heh
[23:04] <ogra_> drafting
[23:04] <StevenK> plars: I'd suggest asking asac for guidance
[23:04]  * NCommander has been awake for ~16 hours now :-/
[23:04] <ogra_> note that conman is a dep fro lxde
[23:04] <NCommander> I have concerns w/ conman replacing network managers
[23:04] <NCommander> *manger
[23:04] <plars> StevenK: he was one who left review comments asking for such
[23:04] <NCommander> I noted it on the spec page
[23:05] <dyfet> ogra_: agreed, it is as drafted...
[23:05] <ogra_> NCommander, for lxde its perfect
[23:05] <NCommander> ogra, it has known issues with some wireless cards, especially broadcomm
[23:05] <ogra_> it fits in certain setups
[23:05] <NCommander> which upstream was unwilling to fix
[23:05]  * StevenK twitches
[23:05] <ogra_> heh
[23:06] <NCommander> StevenK, you probably should get that checked
[23:06] <StevenK> Because supporting other wireless cards is bad ... ?
[23:06] <plars> NCommander: did you put that on the whiteboard or wiki?
[23:06] <ogra_> bcm isnt intel :P
[23:06] <NCommander> plars, wiki
[23:06] <lool> (We're over time)
[23:06] <StevenK> ogra_: I did think that, yes
[23:07] <ogra_> lool, well, we're done so far i'd say
[23:07] <NCommander> lool, no one is scheluded to use this room until Friday afternoon ...
[23:07] <StevenK> We so aren't going to keep going until then.
[23:07] <StevenK> Are We?
[23:07] <ogra_> depends whose afternoon
[23:07] <GrueMaster> I have another room I'd like to visit.
[23:07] <NCommander> I'll make this quick
[23:07] <NCommander> [topic] Any other business
[23:07] <MootBot> New Topic:  Any other business
[23:07] <NCommander> Anyone have anything else to bring up?
[23:07] <lool> GrueMaster: same here  :)
[23:08] <NCommander> [action] NCommander to confirm list of specs to be in Review and Approved and have davidm set LP status accordingly
[23:08] <MootBot> ACTION received:  NCommander to confirm list of specs to be in Review and Approved and have davidm set LP status accordingly
[23:08] <GrueMaster> Sprint coming up.
[23:08] <ogra_> to the other room ?
[23:08] <davidm> It's in Dublin
[23:09]  * NCommander needs to figure out how to get there from DebConf ...
[23:09] <davidm> flap your arms??
[23:09] <lool> erf
[23:09] <NCommander> davidm, I was thinking giant slingshot ....
[23:09] <plars> we seem to have skipped/didn't have time for discussion on bug workflow, but I didn't send anything to NCommanderin advance... if you'd like, I can put together an outline on a wiki page (marked not final of course) for later discussion?
[23:09] <davidm> That could work too but the landing would suck
[23:10] <GrueMaster> Judging by what I remember from seeing him at UDS, he'd need to flap really hard.
[23:10]  * GrueMaster ducks
[23:10] <ogra_> depends on whom you land :)
[23:10] <davidm> plars, that sounds good.
[23:10] <lool> plars: Sounds good; I'd prefer discussing next week than now
[23:10] <NCommander> plars, well, we have until tomorrow afternoon, we could chat now ...
[23:10] <NCommander> oh wait
[23:10] <NCommander> sounds like I was overruled.
[23:10] <plars> NCommander: from debconf? wouldn't you just open a merge request? :)
[23:10] <GrueMaster> LOL
[23:10] <StevenK> And have Launchpad do it?
[23:10]  * StevenK hides
[23:10] <lool> *sync*  :-)
[23:11] <NCommander> StevenK, no, I'd like to make it to the sprint in one piece
[23:11] <NCommander> StevenK, and not a pile of zope exceptions.
[23:11] <NCommander> Anyway
[23:11] <GrueMaster> NCommander is definitely an exception.
[23:11] <GrueMaster> :P
[23:11] <StevenK> Haha!
[23:11]  * NCommander throws UnhandledExceptionException at GrueMaster's head
[23:12] <plars> I'm thinking we're done
[23:12] <NCommander> I think your right
[23:12] <NCommander> Anything else
[23:12] <NCommander> going once
[23:12] <NCommander> going twice
[23:12] <GrueMaster> Ew.  Throwing Vista  errors.  how nasty.
[23:12] <ogra_> ah, the countdown
[23:12] <NCommander> Shutdown countdown interrupted!
[23:12] <NCommander> :-P
[23:12] <NCommander> #endmeeting
[23:12] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 17:12.
[23:13]  * lool sleep &
[23:13]  * ogra_ too
[23:13] <NCommander> thirds the motion