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| [09:40] <kees> pitti: I've added you to the recipient list of the kernel abi checking tool (it runs hourly now) | |
| [09:42] <pitti> kees: oh, that's even better; thanks! | |
| [09:43] <kees> np :) | |
| [09:43] <kees> pitti: oh, btw, I have a demo of bug 726814 for you, if you need. it's very exciting. I was hoping you might have some insight into it. | |
| [09:43] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 726814 in linux (Fedora) "udisks-daemon uses a ton of CPU after inserting a SanDisk U3 Cruzer Micro usb stick" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/726814 | |
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| [10:14] <pitti> cjwatson: for the defaults builder, would /usr/share/pkgname/locale.txt with a single default locale be enough to derive a sensible default keyboard layout, or do we always need to specify that explicitly? | |
| [10:18] <barry> cr3: daily nag: checkbox :) | |
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| [10:40] <Laney> pitti or cjwatson: please moderate my t-b@ mail :-) | |
| [10:40] * Laney seeks guidance from the elders | |
| [10:40] <pitti> Laney: done | |
| [10:40] <Laney> ty | |
| [11:07] <cjwatson> pitti: I think it would be better to have people who are preparing defaults packages specify the keyboard layout they want | |
| [11:08] <cjwatson> pitti: since there certainly isn't a universally correct mapping from locale to keyboard layout | |
| [11:08] <pitti> cjwatson: right, they should be able to, but do they need to? | |
| [11:08] <pitti> ISTR that if I select a language in gfxboot, it automatically selects a reasonable layout, too | |
| [11:12] <sidd_mak> how to integrate a media player in gnome sound panel...?? | |
| [11:12] <cjwatson> pitti: reasonable for you :-) | |
| [11:12] <cjwatson> pitti: but I guarantee you that somebody's going to be unhappy with some entry in that giant mapping table | |
| [11:12] <cjwatson> pitti: German is a pretty uncontroversial case, but not all locales are so easy | |
| [11:12] <pitti> cjwatson: oh, absolutely | |
| [11:13] <pitti> cjwatson: I was just asking whether it should require specifying a layout if you specify a locale | |
| [11:13] <cjwatson> we could use a default as long as there's some way to override it | |
| [11:13] <pitti> and my gut feeling is that we shouldn't | |
| [11:13] <cjwatson> ok | |
| [11:32] <lifeless> bryceh: ping | |
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| [13:08] <kirkland> lamont: ping | |
| [13:09] <lamont> ? | |
| [13:09] <lamont> don't ping, ask | |
| [13:10] <nigelb> woah, internet went off in dublin? | |
| [13:10] <StevenK> It did? | |
| [13:11] <nigelb> Almost everyone with a conference host seems to have disconnected | |
| [13:11] <StevenK> That's because it's lunch time! | |
| [13:11] <nigelb> Ah, that explains that :) | |
| [14:05] <slangasek> lamont: kirkland is pinging about util-linux regression in handling /sys in /etc/mtab | |
| [14:06] <slangasek> lamont: have you seen the bug, by chance? | |
| [14:25] <pitti> cjwatson: oh, I've been meaning to ask you: what would be a pallatable form of specifying the keyboard layout in a defaults package? the four XKB* variables that /etc/default/keyboard | |
| [14:26] <pitti> ... sets? | |
| [14:26] <pitti> or only a single value which maps to gfxboot? | |
| [14:28] <cjwatson> pitti: I'd go for the format that our loadkeys command accepts: e.g. "de" or "de:dvorak" | |
| [14:28] <cjwatson> layout or layout:variant | |
| [14:28] * cjwatson checks what gfxboot likes | |
| [14:28] <cjwatson> oh, hm, one moment | |
| [14:29] <cjwatson> actually, I think layout or layout_variant would be easiest to process | |
| [14:30] <StevenK> cjwatson: O hai -- are you attached to Dapper or Karmic, or can we obsolete them? | |
| [14:38] <cjwatson> skaet: ^- StevenK above | |
| [14:39] <skaet> StevenK, Dapper is ok to obsolete, we have to give an overlap on Karmic. | |
| [14:39] <pitti> cjwatson: ok, layout{,_variant} it is then; is there a list of all available ones somewhere, which the documentation could refer to? | |
| [14:39] <StevenK> skaet: Hasn't Karmic been EOL'd for months, though? | |
| [14:40] <pitti> cjwatson: oh, nevermind; sohuld be in loadkeys, I'll have a look | |
| [14:40] <skaet> SteveK, OEM wants a 6 month buffer | |
| [14:40] <StevenK> skaet: Right, so when does that get reached? | |
| [14:40] <cjwatson> pitti: xkb-data | |
| [14:41] <cjwatson> pitti: loadkeys just uses that (indirectly) | |
| [14:41] <cjwatson> pitti: don't, whatever you do, refer to any of the old Linux-console-only keyboard maps you might find lying around :) | |
| [14:41] <highvoltage> imo there should really be a revisiting of the ubuntu release/support cycle at some point | |
| [14:42] <skaet> SteveK, Karmic EOL'd on 4/30, 10/30 we can move off. | |
| [14:43] <pitti> cjwatson: so /usr/share/X11/xkb/rules/xorg.lst looks very close already; at least it's easy enough to parse to be able to check if the user specified a valid one | |
| [14:43] <skaet> StevenK, ^^ | |
| [14:43] <pitti> cjwatson: thanks! | |
| [14:43] <StevenK> skaet: Ah, thank you. | |
| [14:44] <StevenK> skaet: I'm working on obsoleting Dapper. | |
| [14:44] <skaet> StevenK, thank you. :) | |
| [14:48] <cjwatson> pitti: yes; there's also xorg.xml if that's easier | |
| [14:49] <davidboy> ohai. I know this isn't quite the right place, but can someone please tell me what I'm doing wrong with this code? http://pastie.org/2134172 | |
| [14:50] <davidboy> I've sat in ayatana all day last week and noone knew anything | |
| [15:18] <davidboy> Dammit. This is such a tiny problem ... should be easy, but I can't figure out anything I'm doing wrong | |
| [15:27] <RoAkSoAx> cjwatson: ping | |
| [15:28] <cjwatson> RoAkSoAx: content please | |
| [15:28] <RoAkSoAx> cjwatson: I seek your advice with something. koan, a tool that comes with cobbler has a feature "--replace-self" where basically downloads a kernel/initrd to replace the installation of the local machien | |
| [15:29] <RoAkSoAx> cjwatson: it uses grubby at the moment, but that's only working for grub1 obviosly | |
| [15:29] <RoAkSoAx> cjwatson: so I'm working on getting grub2 supported. So I was wondering what's the best approach to do this | |
| [15:29] <RoAkSoAx> cjwatson: I'm doing something similar to doign this: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/634324/ (in Python, just hardcoding stuff atm) | |
| [15:30] <RoAkSoAx> cjwatson: once creating the file, running update-grub to add the entry to grub, so on next reboot, I can select that and get Ubuntu reinstalled... | |
| [15:31] <RoAkSoAx> cjwatson: is that a good approach to handle things with grub, in this case? (Just creating a file for the entry everytime I want to replace the current installation?) | |
| [16:14] <TheMuso> diwic: Is that jack detection meeting still going ahead? if so I'll be down in 15 minutes or so for it. | |
| [16:16] <diwic> TheMuso, it should start in 15 min. Currently there is another meeting in this room and I'm not sure it'll finish in time. | |
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| [16:50] <tkamppeter> pitti, hi | |
| [16:55] <pitti> tkamppeter: hello Till | |
| [16:55] <tkamppeter> pitt, can you pass the Natty SRU of CUPS to -updates | |
| [16:56] <tkamppeter> pitti, and upload CUPS with my last cups-avahi.dpatch update to Oneiric, so that people can test on the sprint? Thanks. | |
| [16:56] <pitti> tkamppeter: natty SRU is only 3 days old, needs 7 days | |
| [16:56] <pitti> doing oneiric now | |
| [16:57] <pitti> see #u-desktop, cups only moved to testing today, and I was waiting for that | |
| [16:57] <tkamppeter> pitti, the SRU is already verified. | |
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| [16:58] <pitti> yes, but it needs to mature in proposed for 7 days to catch regressions | |
| [16:58] <pitti> see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates | |
| [16:59] <tkamppeter> pitti, OK, so do it on your first SRU day of next week, for the Sprint the Oneiric upload is more important. People hhave Oneiric there. | |
| [16:59] <pitti> you could send a call for testing to ubuntu-devel@ | |
| [16:59] <pitti> with instructions how to test it | |
| [16:59] <tkamppeter> pitti, is there a printer on the Sprint? | |
| [17:00] <pitti> tkamppeter: just asked; there is one broken one which we can borrow | |
| [17:01] <tkamppeter> pitti, I have already sent one to ubuntu-devel-discuss@ last week. should I simply repeat it on ubuntu-devel@? | |
| [17:01] <pitti> tkamppeter: we need to connect it to an oneiric box, and then try to print something from an iphone? | |
| [17:02] <pitti> (FWIW, most folks have android here, but we ought to find an iphone here) | |
| [17:02] <tkamppeter> pitti, if it is good enough for testing (one can set up a queue and recognize the input file on the paper) then it is OK. | |
| [17:02] <tkamppeter> pitti, that's it. | |
| [17:03] <tkamppeter> pitti, what about the call for testing? Should I repeat it on ubuntu-devel@? | |
| [17:03] <pitti> tkamppeter: you can try | |
| [17:03] <tkamppeter> pitti, will do. | |
| [17:04] * TheMuso has an iphone. | |
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| [17:19] <tkamppeter> pitti, done. | |
| [17:39] <apw> pitti: hi, i am looking at lp:ubuntu/oneiric/udev and it seems to be majorly out of date compared to the archive | |
| [17:41] <cjwatson> apw: try lp:~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu/oneiric/udev/ubuntu, which is where the work's actually done | |
| [17:41] * cjwatson goes to update the Vcs-Bzr field | |
| [17:41] <apw> cjwatson: i am confused how the importer branches can be out of date tho. | |
| [17:41] <cjwatson> bug | |
| [17:42] <cjwatson> (bugs.launchpad.net/udd) | |
| [17:43] <cjwatson> maxb has been nuking vast numbers of importer failures recently; I assume he hasn't got round to this one yet ... | |
| [17:43] <maxb> Hello | |
| [17:44] <cjwatson> RoAkSoAx: I'm failing to understand, and will come round. Are you in the server room? | |
| [17:44] <maxb> Ah, that's one of the NoFinalPath ones | |
| [17:44] <maxb> I had a quick look at those, and decided I need to get some support for someone knowing bzrlib internals better than I for that. | |
| [17:45] <maxb> apw: Because the importer threw an exception whilst importing | |
| [17:45] <maxb> Although annoyingly, it only broke in the bit where it tries to generate a preview merge diff, which I'm not sure really get used much | |
| [17:50] <slangasek> jelmer: ^^ maxb is asking for you to help put him to work :-) | |
| [17:50] <maxb> hah | |
| [17:50] * jelmer ducks | |
| [17:51] <jelmer> maxb: hi | |
| [17:51] <slangasek> lamont: ribbit | |
| [17:54] <RoAkSoAx> cjwatson: I'm doing this (maybe my code explains itself better :) ): http://paste.ubuntu.com/634419/ | |
| [17:55] <cjwatson> RoAkSoAx: it would be easier to see the (grub legacy) original | |
| [17:55] <cjwatson> I don't really understand what this is trying to do, right now | |
| [17:56] <RoAkSoAx> cjwatson: this looks better: http://paste.ubuntu.com/634428/ | |
| [17:58] <cjwatson> RoAkSoAx: please just tell me where I can see the original? | |
| [17:58] <cjwatson> I don't want to read a diff right now, I want to study the original code to understand what it's doing | |
| [17:58] <RoAkSoAx> cjwatson: bzr branch lp:ubuntu/cobbler , file is under koan/app.py | |
| [17:58] <cjwatson> thanks, I'll look at that | |
| [17:59] <RoAkSoAx> cjwatson: function starting in line line 937 | |
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| [18:17] <pitti> apw: right, please don't use the udd branch for udev | |
| [18:17] * pitti waves good night | |
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| [18:23] <RobOakes> Howdy, is this a good place to ask package questions or is there a more appropriate channel for that? | |
| [18:49] <maxb> RobOakes: It's a good place for questions about packages in Ubuntu itself, especially packages in main. For universe packages, #ubuntu-motu perhaps, though I don't think people will mind asking here. For non-Ubuntu packaging, e.g. PPAs, #ubuntu-packaging. | |
| [18:53] <RobOakes> Okay, thanks. | |
| [19:06] <RobOakes> I'm a complete noob to packaging, but am trying to configure a daily build. Does anyone know what is meant by "source field" in respect to a debian package build? | |
| [19:07] <m4n1sh> RobOakes: where did you encounter that? Please tell the exact place | |
| [19:09] <RobOakes> During a build of a daily LyX package I'm trying to create (using a recipe). My build fails because of this error error: "first block lacks a source build." | |
| [19:09] <RobOakes> Here is the build log: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/74251271/buildlog.txt.gz | |
| [19:11] <RobOakes> Ugh. Nevermind. I misspelled the first line "Source" | |
| [19:22] <lamont> slangasek: sorry - what was the question? | |
| [19:40] <lamont> slangasek: util-linux /sys thing - no, I haven't looked at that bug yet | |
| [19:40] <lamont> slangasek: otoh, I'm also pretty sure I didn't do the merge for oneiric | |
| [20:26] <broder> hmm...have sync runs not happened recently, or do i need to start harassing the AAs to run backport-helper when they run sync-helper? | |
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| [20:40] <micahg> broder: first one in about a week I think was today | |
| [21:24] <cjwatson> broder: I got a bit put off by the size of the backports queue today, but I will do it today/tomorrow | |
| [21:24] <broder> cjwatson: no worries - just wanted to make sure it hadn't been forgotten about | |
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| [22:09] <slangasek> lamont: no, I did the merge for oneiric... there was no mention of this bug in the BTS, and we were trying to work out if it's even an intended behavior change | |
| [22:10] <lamont> oh. nfc | |
| [22:10] <lamont> what specifically is the behavior? | |
| [22:10] <slangasek> lamont: it seems that for some reason, /sys is no longer written to mtab | |
| [22:13] <slangasek> lamont: generalizing, it seems to be any filesystem with 'none' as a mount source | |
| [22:19] <broder> that...seems like a terrible idea | |
| [22:20] <lamont> that is likely intended behavior | |
| [22:21] <lamont> might be related to the push to ln -sf /proc/mounts /etc/mtab | |
| [22:21] <lamont> dunno | |
| [22:21] <lamont> so after I accidentally manage to get uxterm into anthy input mode, how the *&%)*&%)* do I turn that off? | |
| [22:40] <hallyn> cjwatson: if you're around, can you take a look at bug 803159 (and tell me if there is a reason the fix shouldn't be SRUd)? | |
| [22:40] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 803159 in eglibc (Ubuntu) "debootstrap fails trying to install libc6" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/803159 | |
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| [22:54] <hallyn> how many times am i going to hose a vm by forgetting to set bridge_ports on the bridge | |
| [22:57] <cjwatson> hallyn: dup of bug 802985; I explained the problem there | |
| [22:57] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 802985 in debootstrap (Ubuntu) "[lucid] /var/lib/dpkg/tmp.ci/preinst: 399: arithmetic expression: expecting EOF: "3.0-0-generic"" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/802985 | |
| [22:57] <hallyn> cjwatson: ok, thanks - i looked through the buglist but couldn't find that one... | |
| [22:57] <cjwatson> I agree it's a serious problem but the fix is ... not as trivial as it looks | |
| [22:57] <cjwatson> it was the most recent bug filed on eglibc | |
| [22:58] * cjwatson fiddles bug status | |
| [22:58] <hallyn> cjwatson: I see | |
| [22:59] <hallyn> (just read your explanation of why sru isn't particularly helpful :) | |
| [22:59] <cjwatson> necessary but not sufficient | |
| [22:59] <hallyn> any suggestion for best workaround? | |
| [22:59] <cjwatson> uname LD_PRELOAD | |
| [23:00] <cjwatson> lie about utsname.release and pretend it's 3.0.0 rather than 3.0 | |
| [23:00] <cjwatson> not a one-liner but shouldn't be too hard | |
| [23:00] <hallyn> cjwatson: assuming it's mostly scripts, would it be easier to just have debootstrap, early on, bind | |
| [23:00] <hallyn> ok, | |
| [23:01] <cjwatson> debootstrap ought to be fixed, but it will be fairly involved | |
| [23:01] <hallyn> to do LD_PRELOAD we'll have to ship and build the .so though right? | |
| [23:02] <slangasek> wouldn't a dpkg-divert of /bin/uname be simpler yet (wrapping it with a shell script)? | |
| [23:03] <cjwatson> hallyn: no, I mean just set that environment variable when running debootstrap | |
| [23:03] <cjwatson> oh, but it will probably interact messily with chrooting | |
| [23:03] <hallyn> slangasek: that sounds good... | |
| [23:03] <cjwatson> slangasek: inserting such a dpkg-divert into debootstrap would be fiddly too | |
| [23:03] <cjwatson> there really isn't a good straightforward workaround for this | |
| [23:03] <slangasek> yes, but doesn't require writing a custom .so | |
| [23:03] <cjwatson> sure | |
| [23:04] <hallyn> cjwatson: but you can't LD_PRELOAD a script, so it's arch-dependent, that's where I"m not sure how we woudl handle it | |
| [23:04] <cjwatson> hallyn: I'm absolutely not suggesting shipping such a workaround | |
| [23:04] <hallyn> writing th e.so, probably easy, but | |
| [23:04] <hallyn> oh | |
| [23:04] <cjwatson> we shouldn't ship something that isn't a fix, for this | |
| [23:04] <hallyn> haha, ok. that's just to get us limping along in the meantime. makes sense | |
| [23:07] <cjwatson> it's strictly more difficult than multiple components (which we've done in debootstrap) because you have to deal with the same package being in both lucid and lucid-updates at different versions, and only using the newer one | |
| [23:07] <cjwatson> in shell | |
| [23:08] <hallyn> but someone's working on it? | |
| [23:08] <cjwatson> well, if it's in the pkgdetails interface then it's in perl (normally) or C (in d-i) | |
| [23:08] <cjwatson> hallyn: not yet | |
| [23:08] <cjwatson> but I probably will | |
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