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title:    "<NAME> on the building Cucumber Pro"
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This is a conversation between <NAME> and Suzan Bond. They talk about the founding of Cucumber (the company) and the many mistakes that have happened along the way. Suzan is a great host and it makes for an interesting conversation. 

If you're just interested in the decisions the team made when building [Cucumber Pro](https://cucumber.io/pro), jump in around the 18 minute mark. 
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title:    "<NAME> on the building Cucumber Pro"
date:     2017-10-24 10:00:00
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This is a conversation between [<NAME>](https://twitter.com/mattwynne) and [<NAME>](https://twitter.com/suzanbond). Matt talks about the early product mistakes they made, why they threw away a two-year old codebase and started over, and why a strong focus on technology was their blindspot. 

Suzan is a great host and it makes for an interesting conversation. 

If you're just interested in the decisions the team made when building [Cucumber Pro](https://cucumber.io/pro), jump in around the 18 minute mark. 
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