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Yeah, that’s it; that’s what they stand for. Rich, did you bother to tell THEM what they are doing? Has anyone given the “Occupy” individuals any of the mental health pointers for managing undefined “anger” or how to re-channel that anger into a productive energy?

Council was right not to bend to satisfy protesters Of course the council bent. The citations or the monetary penalties can be dismissed or reduced to a slap on the wrist at the wave of a judges wand. Right or wrong, not arresting people for offenses warranting arrest is certainly bending.

Just count me as one of the 53%ers who pay for the 47%

Mountain oysters?

Here is what you’re looking for: Diversity, sí; Assimilation, sí, sí.

Another talking point editorial from Eugene shilling for the Obama administration and promoting class warfare. America is not buying the Obama campaign retoric as shown by his continuing declining poll approval ratings. The American public has seen that Obama can campaign and make promises, but he does not lead or govern at all well. Even when he and the Democrats held both houses of Congress, he did not submit legislation, he just let Pelosi and Reid mess things up. Obama care is the classic example.

Anybody wanna bet that this project ends up costing more than initially projected? Anybody????

This is a good sign. Maybe the State Supreme Court will make local elections non-partisan and eliminate the ward/city wide election system that has perpetuated the corrupt City Council.

"A Canadian company's proposed Rosemont Mine..." Well if we are going to go all nativist about mine ownership it should be pointed out that Asarco (owner of three mines in Arizona) is owned by Grupo Mexico a Mexican company.

"Pairing such an official event with political appearances lets the White House bill taxpayers rather than the Democratic Party or individual candidates for most of the president's travel costs." So he goes to a Ford motor company plant in Chicago, you know, the Ford company that didn't take any of the federal funds so his looser friend doesn't has to reimburse the federal government for his trip. What the hell happened to transparency, no more wastefull spending. Again it looks like another "Do as I say, not as I do" or is it more like "talking out of both sides of your mouth" Lets see the dems were raising hell when Bush came to town, that the Fedearl government should not be footing the bill....oh wait I forgot the STAR was spouting off also., Only to find out the feds were reimbursed for the trip

Jake, you don't think she wants to be the modern day E.B? That is the first thing I thought of.

Thank ou for our dedicated service to our countr Mike B. And thank you for yours!

The "120-days" is just the latest sugar coating applied to this rotten apple. Mediation will fail. The lawsuit will be our reality. City of Tucson will file bankruptcy. Electeds and staff will go to jail. Oh what a tangled web we weave, when at first we practice to deceive.

This is a nusience law suit by Garfield Traub. A public employee is basically immune from law suits in the pursuit of their work. Garfield Traub is just trying to bully the new Rio Nuevo board because they would not be corrupted like the City controlled board was. A total farce!

KWMT originally thought enough of Jennie Grabel to lure here away from her volunteer DJ spot at KXCI. I wonder what made her expendable to Clear Channel now.

No hate crime charges? s/o

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Bill D.... It's hard to think of comparisons we can make... since I feel so sorry for the subjects that we are comparing His Highness to....

owes us money does not have to pay it?" Your post is total ideological bull feces. Aric ... That's the fox"news"/rush version of the OWS protests.

As soon as we get the opportunity, we need to vote these bozos out - the guv, the legislature, and then move onto the national stage and do the same. I've had enough with the utter stupidity coming from every side of the political spectrum.

CKH You forgot one--dysentery. That ought to clear out the city parks right quick!!!

Oh thank you Congressman Raul, for thinking about us Arizonans! So many people believe you hate Arizona and America because you only love Mexico and that's why you demanded a boycott on us. That's not true, is it, Congressman Raul? You love us and represent us, don't you? This "mining" article shows you love us and represent us because you are truly working for us! What an incredible guy you are, Congressman Raul. By the way, don't be such a stranger. We haven't heard from you since last election. Is it election year already?

http://www.azumc.com/ UMC is now ‘The University of Arizona Medical Center - University Campus’ "The boards of directors of the University Medical Center Corporation and University Physicians Healthcare Inc. have approved integration of the two organizations into a single, new corporation that will oversee the patient-care enterprise affiliated with the University of Arizona College of Medicine." They are separate entities?

I voted for the temporary sales tax but would not vote to extend it.

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Here is a real travesty of Justice! A U.S. Border Patrol agent has been sentenced to two years in prison for improperly lifting the arms of a 15-year-old drug smuggling suspect while handcuffed — in what the Justice Department called a deprivation of the teenager’s constitutional right to be free from the use of unreasonable force. To be free to resist arrest?? The allegations against Diaz, 31, a seven-year veteran of the Border Patrol, initially were investigated by Homeland Security's Office of Inspector General and U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement's Office of Professional Responsibility, which cleared the agent of any wrongdoing. But the BP agent still got TWO years in prison and the illegal was given immunity!!! With this kind of BS why bother chasing these drug dealers down? The U.S. Attorney's Office for the Western District of Texas, which brought the charges, is the same office that in February 2006 — under U.S. Attorney Johnny Sutton — prosecuted Border Patrol Agents Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compean after they shot a drug-smuggling suspect, Osvaldo Aldrete-Davila, in the buttocks as he tried to flee back into Mexico after abandoning a van filled with 800 pounds of marijuana. Aldrete-Davila also was given immunity in the case and testified against the agents. Agents Ramos and Compean were convicted and sentenced to 11 and 12 years in prison, respectively. This has got to stop! This is the judge responsible; U.S. District Judge Alia Moses Ludlum in San Antonio, Texas. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/oct/25/border-agent-jaile-arrest-teen-drug- smuggler/

Curfews are outdated, curfews are for your children these are not squatters, they are tax payers and it's public property.

Our walk-in applicants dropped off significantly when we put the E-Verify sign up in the lobby. ----------------------- Speaking of work, our Service Dept is looking for a couple of electronic test techs. E-mail me if your interested, and I'll send you the name of my company. NOTE* - This is just a heads up, I'm not part of the selection process. [email protected]

Romney's been very clear about the actions he'll take against illegal immigrants. But you have to watch the debates, I haven't seen the news cover those parts, they are solely focused on the economic policies of each candidate.

Mediate=try and stay out of jail.

Its high time for new leadership which respects Arizona and America. Grijalva OUT in 2012!

Mr. Morales and his wife, like practically all 20-year olds, were thinking of their immediate future when they purposely overstayed their visas. They were not thinking of the future of their two yet unborn, talented children who would be caught in this unfortunate mess. What options existed to them at the time to apply to stay here as legal residents? Did they make any effort to go through legal channels? ADS didn't follow up on this in the October 9th story.

It's abuse. He needs to leave, she needs professional help.

"She's got to balance her time between work and the court requirements" !!!!!You've got to be kidding. No wonder this lawyer quit when she doesn't have a clue what a judicial sentence means. So, in other words a condemned killer gets to decide whether or not he should die or other criminals can decide their own priorities regarding their sentences !!!!!! How much more full of BS can this country become?

The standard procedure is to turn them over to ICE, well , more like if you have an illegal ICE is notified and they are held until ICE responds, which could just be a phone call to let them There is no investigation of family members as far as their legal status because police are not allowed to knock on doors and ask for identification. If the illegal was arrested for drugs the police might get a search warrant for drugs and might identify more illegals in the house during the search. Where they are deported to is a result of each case. Personal property of an individual arrested is always their responsibility. Except for drug cases where a house or vehicle could be seized. You should also remember a couple of points. Most cases are not that an illegal is arrested for drunk driving say, convicted and then processed for deportation. What typically happens is an individual is arrested, refuses to identify themselves, are convicted of a crime and when they realize they are going to jail they admit they are not US citizen preferring to be deported rather then face jail time if possible. I say if possible because some crimes would require them finishing their jail term before being deported. Unless an individual is already in the system somewhere for previous arrests the only source for what their identity is, is from the individual. I have no idea how those individuals are validated before deportation. If an individual not in the system from El Salvador says they are from Mexico would that ever be caught? Could an individual from China say they are from Thailand and get away with it? Can Mexico refuse a deportee saying they are not a Mexican citizen? Which is why I say where they get deported to is determined with each case.

If you work there and vote for democrats, it seems as if you are voting against your own self- interest for some reason. Nobody with a job should be voting for democrats. Perhaps you should do some research on how destructive democrats are to business.

23 days in rehab is not enough. Someone needs to get tough and make sure she does the full 90 days.

What a waste,the same people that failed it are still making the decisions.

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NASA was smart enough to preserve a Saturn V rocket by laying it on its side in Houston, rather than trying to keep it upright against gravity, weather, and seismic activity.

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Makes sure you let the door hit you on the way out, whats next fighting for the rights of pedophiles?

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Earl, since you know so much about me, how long have you lived in the area? What is your job occupation and have you ever taken the mine tour? Co ote)

I'm sure if polled the average voter of both parties would support ending subsidies. But it'll never happen so long as we allow our elected representatives to accept corporate money. It's too bad that when annual reports are sent out they don't have to list the politicians they own as assets.

Shouldn't the headline read, "Illegally sneaking into foreign nations will rip your family apart." I'd settle for, "Breaking the law may result in families being ripped apart".

So are you saying we need a Congress that rubber stamps what a President wants ? They have those. Venezuela, Cuber, N Korea....

So the middle class consists of public workers. Yes, that's very "educational" indeed.

texters do hold up others in not getting through red lights, they do put bicyclists in great danger. Having city code would be very hard to prove and enforce. - having this code wouldnt change much... so city council focus on your dysfunction please.

Just pass out job applications. They will scatter like roaches when the lights are turned on.

Republicans are not satisfied with the current hue of DEEP red for the state. Beyond RED what next do they have in mind?

She should be sent into the badlands of MSNBC to develop a free press.

Only when the voters dont take voting as a personal responsibility and check look at the commericials. The people still have the power if they choose to use it. How does Congress have a low approval rating and still have a 90% relection rate, we the people do not take our vote serious

Neither Augusta or Wildcat Silver has ever operated a mine anywhere. They just h pe On newspaper comment boards?

Would you rather do that than 1) Sell the old fire station for $1, (2) Evict the old folks and give away the MLK apartment building, 3)Pay a developer $1.5 million to do an 18-page study, 4) Sell land just west of the freeway for a fraction of its value, 5) Attempt to give away the downtown bus terminal, 7)rent out the train station for minus $100,000 per year, 8)wouldn't you just rather have a toad in your yard?

Most of the people you mock do support others, their own group, those below them, they just do it without first funneling their money through the "we are the government we know best" filter. So much easier to let Rachael do the the thinking I guess.

If this was being run like a private business there is no way it would be built. There can't possibly be a profit in a 4 mile street car which is costing $200 million plus. What is the ROI(yes ROI)? ROI is not a government concern. They have us to compensate for their failure to understand.

I think I'm out of touch.

Exactly. I'm thinking it'll take about two seconds for him to discern that it's not a menu.

Not sure, but the thread seems to be mostly anti-Obama. Maybe they're doing it lump them all together and bury them, so less people will read them all.

Occupy Wall Street reaches 1-month birthday NEW YORK (AP) — The month-old Occupy Wall Street movement continues to grow, with nearly $300,000 in the bank... I thought they were against banks....

1st penalty for tagging....Tagger opens mouth, insert spray can and discharge for on minute. Second offense....add lit match.

I respectfully disagree. The Rosemont Copper debate is all about politics. Co ote)

And, oh by the way, I am assuming that your question is rhetorical, but the answer is "maybe". It is up to the courts to decide whether the federal law has constitutional supremacy in this case. Depending on how the courts interpret the new state initiatives, there may be a very real chance of the states regaining some rights. One would think that the Republicans would be all about this kind of battle, but we see their true colors once rhetoric is applied to the real world. Oh, and since someone mentioned the sinister George Soros, what in hell is the evil agenda behind legalization? Are we afraid that Mr. Soros is going to manipulate his army of marijuana addicts into voting out the conservatives? Right, how many of your pothead friends have bothered to vote on any non-marijuana related legislation during the past decade? What, he is going to turn the OWS crowd into marijuana-crazed zombies and storm the White House! Maybe the Safeway for some cheetos, and the alternative record shop for some Dead bootlegs, but I think that the politicians are safe for now.

A word to the wise who has a loved one in this nursing home: Document, document, document everything that goes on with your loved one. For those people who are alone in the nursing home with no one helping them, I hope patient advocates will do the same. I've seen the results of a nursing home change from a non-profit to a profit making institution and what I saw was NOT a good scenario. Remember: the shareholders come first; NOT the patients. The bottom line is the bottom line. If it means cutting staff to make a profit, the business model of financial success will prevail. Just be vigilant, make your presence known, stand up for a good caregiver-to-patient ratio and be sure to research the company that is taking over. Check their history with care-giving in other states (if they are out-of-state owners), check their corporate structure, find out who actually owns the place. Have they had violations? Complaints? Suggestion: once this company takes over, start a new file for your loved one and put all notes, correspondence (never just ask verbally for anything; put everything in writing). Take a notepad with you on visits and also a camera (most cell phones have now). Make notes of conversations with staff: date, time, and the nature of the conversation. Hope this helps.

We gotta have money for important things like JuneTeenth, CincoDeMayo, GLBT pride marches, TucsonOccupyYouself, FeministsOccupyHimmelPark, etc. Don't have money for trivial things like cops, firemen, graffiti abatement, etc.

Well who cares?....I like it this way, I have a license to grow my own, we don't need any dispensaries. But I do think the State should refund the money to the people that put down those large deposits to have a dispensary. The state ripped people off by saying no refunds.

Sure you did but then nobody is perfect. I hear drugs can cause triple posting...but again...nobody is perfect.

No Joel, I think your out date in your thinking and carrying a gun were ever you go. I know someone might be carrying a baseball bat and you need your gun to protect yourself. Have a good day, I'm going to the park.

What you are proposing is a Value Added Tax or VAT. these are used all over Europe instead of a sales tax.

The only mystery is her real hair color!

Nothing like making those on the "public dole" be accountable to those who are "funding you." Good for Arizona, especially if it keeps people from thinking twice about tryin to defraud US, the taxpayer. Tired of seeing "gold bangled, brand new shoe wearing" people ahead of me in line buying steaks/lobster on "my dime."

W. Langer (Langer) wrote: Even if the OWS crowd accepted it as the truth I doubt they would understand it.

Could it have something to do with the (thankfully!) new requirement that entering students have to be able to comprehend at least at the minimum of a 7th grade level education before they are allowed to enroll in a C LLEGE?

I see The 'Occupiers' have REALLY frightened a lot of posters this morning! "Occupiers" sounds so militaristic. What's does occupying a park signify anyway? Seems so lame.

I see some of the postings about how this can relate to the political area... I don't care which party you are in. Texting while driving is stupid. And using HAND HELD cell phones while driving is not right unless you have a Bluetooth. I have heard of so many accidents because of this. And my biggest pet peeve is getting behind someone on the road who is texting (and using the hand held cell phone) at the same time. Texting is worse. I get behind someone doing this and going much slower than speed limit, putting on brakes unneccessarily or swerving. I do agree with this law and it should be nationwide!

Hah, and you stated that OWS wanted to end government with whining? Please. If you can't remember what you posted (even with quote feature), then nothing can help you.

I'm pretty sure the only thing Grijalva scrutinizes is the sprinkles on his donuts, since he cares not a whit about wasting taxpayer revenue of stupid things like telling people in Pima County that being fat is unhealthy (and then being obese himself).

With all of this nostalgia and good feelings about smelter smoke stacks, do you think the residents of Sonoita would favor the erection of a small smelter in their area, so Rosemont Copper could smelt and refine their concentrate products here in the U.S.? This would certainly resolve opponent's objections to shippng the copper concentrates to China and lower the unemployment rates here.

At least the is County mitigating their lossess. But that doesn't change the fact the those losses are still due to too many bad choices and poor leadership.

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Why should it be viewed as a "human right". I hear that all the time but no one ever explains it. How can one human force another to provide a service?

Seems to me that the economy was in pretty good shape until 2007 (The same year that obama became a senator) when the Democrats gained a majority in Congress. Pretty much been straight downhill ever since. Two more years of Democrat rule and Somalia style government will look good.

I wonder if it was an old tire, they would fight that hard for it.....

A few minutes perusing the internet after a Google search using "first amendment assembly curfew case law" turned up a lot of information that contradicts the quoted post. While curfew laws have been challenged and some overturned, many have been upheld. In fact, I found several instances where the right to assemble in public parks was legally restricted because of public safety concerns. The park is CLOSED during night hours, and the City of Tucson has a right to limit access to public parks when they are closed.

Mine huggers go away!

Too busy hugging trees and dreaming of wind and solar to mine our own resources.

so you're saying Obama stole the Republican platform in 2008? Interesting.

Please show me where healthcare is a right

Frankly, if God were what the liberals are claiming, then you wouldn't have to follow God's laws to get into heaven, because he'd have too much "compassion" to actually punish you for your transgressions...right?

I don't think they are always kids. I think there are 20 and 30 year olds with no job and an obsession.

I know you're a newbie here, because after about a week you'll know that the GOP love to hate me and my RON PAUL style libertarianism. I carry water for no party, I assure you. Also, to me Rush is a band, and I'm scratching my head a little over why you care about my music.

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Marv V - In the past 10 year period of the audit (prior to the SB1070 mess) the State of Arizona saw a 41% increase in tourism related spending. Maricopa saw a 49% spike and Pima County....wait for it....wait for it 21%. So it's pretty safe to say that Pima County is dragging down the state average. Now this stat wouldn't be so bad if we didn't have such a superior tourism offering. Over the same 10 year period we all had a chance to reviatlize our downtowns, build convetion centers and do everything creatively in our power to put more heads in bed. It looks like everyone else in the state got the message except for Pima County. Blame the airport traffic, blame the convention center mess and the Rio Nuevo fiasco. Blame whover you want but the fact remains the MTCVB has been a tremendous failure....with tax dollars. Travel and Leisure magazine ranked Tucson one of the top 50 under rated travel destinations in the world. Yuma is kicking our tail with Lettuce days. Check the facts. What role did the MTCVB leadership team have in the convention center hotel discussion? What role did the MTVCB play in keeping baseball in the Old Pueblo? What specifically is the MTCVB doing to bring Japanese baseball or other sporting events to our region? How is the MTCVB working to increase air traffic out at TIA? What's the marketing strategy around the US and internationally to bring tourist to our region? How does the MTCVB work with regional partners to leverage our assets (Tombstone, Tubac, Nogales)? Read the audit, you won't find answers to the above because the MTCVB has been non existant in all leadership aspects fo tourism related economic development. If you are an economic analyist you will realize that the first step in getting back on track is to expose the dirtly little secret, change out the leadership and board as necessary and start rebuilding a more accountable and effective MTCVB. As a tourism analyst I'm sure you already know this. The people that are harmed in this lost tourism decade is the waitresses, maids, small restaurants and hoteliers. They either didn't know how bad the MTCVB was falling down on the job or were too afraid to speak up for fear of being cut out of whatever small amount of business the MTCVB could send their way. I didn't mention the compensation of the MTCVB director, VP of Marketing and representative from Pima County. I imagine the readers can decipher for themselves if they are over paid or not. Good luck Mark V in finding a new position in the tourism industry.

This attacking and fear and loathing of protesters who are trying to change things for the better of all is truly disgusting. The fact that it has been going on for days and with increased personal vitriol is so telling of fear of change that lies i the core being of the conservatives. It is hard wired into their brains. FEAR CHANGE. Liberals have more gray matter in a part of the brain associated with understanding complexity, while the conservative brain is bigger in the section related to processing fear The evidence is in: those who were conservative in their ideology has "larger amygdalas, almond shaped areas in the center of the brain often associated with anxiety and emotion, and smaller anterior cingulates, an area at the front of the brain associated with courage and looking on the bright side of life."

Just say YES to as much 'work' as we can get as fast as we can.. don't be stupid about it, but lets get underway here!

Actually the story said: The movement has an account at Amalgamated Bank, which bills itself as "the only 100 percent union-owned bank in the United States." That doesn't mean that's where the money is

Informative article...

Thanks CK! No, I have not got anything permanent, just sporadic work. I did a remodel job for two days, along with some other Temps, at a Hallmark Store a couple of weeks back and another job the following week for 4 days (through a different Temp Agency), but it has been slow since. I almost had a 4 day assignment this week, but I was not home when the person from the Temp Agency had called about a change in the location and when she called back a little later to check if I could make it so she gave the assignment to someone else. Also, I did check the ASARCO Website you gave me and most of the jobs listed I was not qualified to do (Engineer, Manager, etc...) Anyway, thank you for the concern and hoping I found some work.

Virginia, The majority of Republican/Democratic/Independent/Green candidates and people in general do not "hate" anyone and would render assistance to an undocumented immigrant in dire need (after considering their own abilities/comfort level) if they saw one in such need (keeping in mind Robert Krentz while they did it). This article talks about undocumented individuals who are here in violation of US immigration laws and who, while they're at it, commit various crimes - in this case traffic violations. Please don't broadly generalize about any political group demeaning humanity - it just isn't the Respectfully yours, Conservative Democrat