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#1459957 - 31/03/2018 18:06 Re: NRL Season 2018 [Re: ColdFront]
slipperyfish
Loc: South Mission Beach QLD
Imagine if they were consistent!
I can only imagine the penalty count
I love how Craig Bellamy lay the blame on his own team for the loss and not the refereeing...basically saying that this is the road they've taken and teams just have to adapt. All class, imo. However that doesn't excuse some of the really REALLY bad calls we've seen which happen every year (like in that Broncos game last week).
Kazz63
Loc: Kingaroy
We can only hope that the refs stay on this road they have taken. The fans initially won't be happy, the media will have a field day dredging up every instance where something in the past WAS allowed (thus keeping a bunch of sanctimonious hasbeens frothing at the mouth & in their jobs for months to come), Google will go into meltdown while armchair experts get to flex their muscles as well and some coaches will be start mimicking Toovs squawking about an investigation.
But the only way we will end this season on a good note is for the refs to stay strong in their resolve.
This will add an extra dimension to the players' learning curve. Some may have to be reprogrammed completely. Others will shine in this environment. Those that shine are those who have worked hard on honing league skills rather than histrionics.
I could go on for hours about the role of the coach - basically we have 2 kinds at the moment :
1. the real coach who understand you have to teach players to adapt to the situation & that includes adapting to what the Ref calls fair play & what he decides will be penalised. The coach has done all he can for his players, so he sits & watches every game, every ref and analyses what is going on and how the ref reads the play. And that is where he makes adjustments and where he HOPES his captain makes adjustments.
2. The lazy coach who runs his players around the skills paddock & then puts them on the field & uses game time to yell more direction to them (this should have been done long before game day) and decides anything that goes wrong is the ref's fault. This attitude washes over to the thinking of his players & captain, so instead of spending game time trying to use their skills, they use game time as watching what the ref is doing, whining about it and blaming them for their misfortunes.
It will be an interesting season to say the least; and in the end we may have a finals series that is all about brilliant skills and not grubby play.
The media have a lot to answer for in this sport, whether you believe it or not, the games are VERY different if you can watch without the sound up on the TV.
Try it sometime.
- Watch the game but ignore (usually means turn down) the commentary.
- Try NOT to watch any replays they do. Keep a note pad & jot anything good about the game down; or do a crossword or something that turns your attention away from the repeated replays they do because you will KNOW what they are saying, what their thoughts are.
- then if you want to spoil that effect, turn the sound up at the end of the game & listen to their wrap up speeches & see how fast they change your opinion of the game.
If you are not that strong, just listen to the diverse opinions they have during the game and often they will be very different to each others. They all have an agenda to push, even Gus who I personally like but his agenda filled speeches often rile me.
Over the coming weeks, it will be interesting to see how many "big" players have some of their gameplay neutralised by having to stick to the rules.
For guys like Smith & Gallen, what the hell will they do at the play the ball if their arms raised in appeals do no good at all???
Also, please note that sentences can also end in full stops. The exclamation mark can be overused.
Sherlock Holmes 28 March 13:08
#1460103 - 01/04/2018 15:42 Re: NRL Season 2018 [Re: Mega]
Originally Posted By: Mega
I love how Craig Bellamy lay the blame on his own team for the loss and not the refereeing...basically saying that this is the road they've taken and teams just have to adapt. All class, imo.
Loc: Holloways Beach QLD
Quite simply, the players just have to obey the rules.
It would only take one game for an Under 7's team to learn what 10 metres is and how to play the ball.
Even the dumbest players will learn eventually, and the ref's must keep on with the crackdown otherwise their efforts in the first 4 rounds has been a waste of time.
Bill Harrigan was saying he ref'd a game with 1 penalty, simply because the players played by the rules. That's how simple it all is.
#1460198 - 01/04/2018 23:51 Re: NRL Season 2018 [Re: hickory]
Originally Posted By: hickory
That's how simple it all is.
Only if they are consistent and already they are not.
Well, refs are human, so there will always be some inconsistency.
One day they may be androids with 10 lenses covering the full 360° of view and assistant androids on the sidelines at every 10 metre line and a couple on the dead ball lines in goal.
That would make the bunker a thing of the past too. That spider cam they were using a year or two back was great. It showed up every forward pass and offside play.
Great win to the Rabbits tonight ,even with another woeful obstruction call to the Roosters leading to yet another plethora of penalties that thankfully amounted to nothing.
Fitler displaying his blatant bias yet again when calling for a send off ,yet failing to chime in when the rest of the panel suggested the obstruction call was ridiculous. He seems to forget he is supposed to be a commentator.
If the Rabbits play like tonight for the rest of the season they will be serious contenders come finals time.
St George on fire.
J Pabo
Loc: Clydesdale NSW
I'm all for referee's to penalise any player for indiscretion of play the ball and not being back the 10 metres. Yes, it is high to start of with, but this is the first time I have seen it being policed for more then the first game or two for the season. They just have to be consistent at keeping on it.
However, I have seen many plays of the ball still not right, and usually it is the same players. But ref's at times may miss some from time to time, either due to being focused on something else, or viewing angle. But they show review the game afterwards themselves and score what things they have missed on or got wrong. Only by reviewing the game you refereed are you only going to be sharper.
Also players moving up on the mark to play the ball is another gripe. If the marker is already standing in front of you, you cannot move or touch the marker, thus cannot move up on him. That's why he is called a marker! If it is intentional to move up past the marker in position, then be penalised, but if it is 50/50, then the ball player is told to move back and restart the play.
I think they need to bring back the 5 minute sin bin, especially for players habitually conceding penalties for the same thing, not just defending your own line. It may reinforce rules even more, and players eventually will get the message.
The bunker should have a more involvement, especially for players taking dives or milking penalties. I'm not just referring to Burgess/Morris incident, as there was some contact with Morris' chin/neck. I am referring to the biggest diary cow in the NRL, "Billy Slater". He has now taking diving for penalties to Oscar Award levels. If the bunker sees no reason for the penalty to be given, then they should overrule the decision, and depending on the level of milking, may even be penalised against it, otherwise play goes on.
Thus far, the ref's are only doing their job. They get a lot of calls wrong or missed, but sitting in an armchair with multiple angles and slow replays will always change the perspective of the play at real time of the event. That is why I prefer to watch the game at the game. At times you see things differently then being sanitised by the screen.
I can only hope!
The Roosters/Bulldogs game was a great game to watch, even though I don't like either team. It was like the eighties, only faster!
#1462229 - 20/04/2018 13:10 Re: NRL Season 2018 [Re: J Pabo]
Originally Posted By: J Pabo
I am referring to the biggest diary cow in the NRL, "Billy Slater".
I doubt he carries a diary but I agree he needs to be pulled up for it. But then they did award Jarryd Hayne a Dally M whilst his team was cheating the cap and he actually had shares in Dairy Farmer's stadium for his penalty milking efforts yet managed more than one DM for his efforts in milking, refusing to tackle and waiting for the ball to come to him.
The problem is ,there are numerous players diving for penalties, not just Slater as is evidenced in pretty much every single game and countless times throughout and they ALL need to be pulled up for it. Slater's efforts last week were embarrassing .Again, it comes down to consistency. It needs to removed from the game. But then so does using a player's face to help your elbow up off the ground as Fafita does every single game.
last night they binned someone for doing nothing wrong. Ridiculous, and I am certainly no fan of the Roosters.
Me Bad
Yes, Latrell was wrongly punished, as there was no chance of the Bulldogs player actually scoring, as he "falconed" the ball. Penalty - yes, but not professional foul and sending to the bin. The bunker official should have binned himself for a "professional foul".
Broncs Vs Storm game was the best so far in 2018.
The skill shown by the players of both teams was superb.
Yep awesome game. Still a couple of silly penalty calls though.
I hope someone digs into the rule book to see if Ashley Klein is correct about any kick can be a drop kick.
The bunker backed him up, so maybe it is the rule, but that means if anyone drops the pill from now on, then boots it, it's play on ?? No way.
Wayne Bennett wasn't overly pissed off by it but said:- "But that is a game changer if that is to be the standard going forward. It was never intended to be a drop-kick and the ball hit the ground. So what are we saying now – if we knock the ball on and it hits the ground and we still kick at it, it's a drop-kick?
Either way, the 6 points didn't affect the outcome.
Wayne Bennett complaining about something that didn't go his way. There's something different
He couldn't be overly pissed because it didn't determine the outcome of the game. For overly pissed you only refer to his disgraceful display just two minutes after the Cowboys won the grand final in golden point ,taking the shine off their win in the process.
I didn't think it was a try myself, however I did watch the replay a few times and am wondering why even Slater said he dropped the ball when he was in a haunched position , elbows bent and clearly preparing to kick. Maybe just good sportsmanship or maybe he dropped it slightly earlier than intended?
So where to from here? Does every attempt at field goal now get called a knock on when the timing isn't quite right and there is a slight bounce before the boot connects the ball? After all, to be determined a drop kick the ball must touch the ground first.
Canterbury won on a controversial penalty in a reverse of the previous week. Funny how's that works. 15 and 16 providing the most entertaining game of the year. It's amusing though how Parra have gone to crap since Hayne returned. Same happened to the Titans.
Loc: Dural
Surprising how quiet all you QLDer''s are tonight.
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