Quote of the Day: Of Campus Carry and Tornados
"One major concern that came from the survey is how can professors maintain control of the class. In a tornado, students want to go home, they want to leave, but the faculty can take control and tell them what needs to be done. But what happens when someone in the class feels empowered? Guns may or may not be the source of that, but it is still something that needs to be thought about." – Wichita State University Professor Peer Moore-Jansen in Guns on campus — preparing for the new year [via thesunflower.com]
Man. These guys truly are paranoid of individualism.
Bob Jones says:
What makes that fellow think that a classroom is safer than anywhere else ?
Most school buildings constructed over the last 40 years have cheap steel framing similar to strip centers and convenience stores and would be quickly destroyed shredded by a tornado. Some older monumental buildings with concrete frames would be more resistant to tornadoes but those are few and far between these days. They are even building 5 story college dorms framed with wood like houses nowadays. Cheap, cheap, cheap.
What makes a snowflake like this think he has any authority *whatsoever* to imprison students in his classroom because he thinks he knows better than they what is good for them? Using the tornado example, is he instructing civil defense or meteorology? If not, maybe he should ask his students what to do. Is this the level of moron we're paying $40K a year to teach something to our children?
Joseph Quixote says:
Probably more like $60 to $80k for a full professor. A waste of money for sure.
Darrell KS says:
Actually, the state of Kansas spent $99,130 in 2016 on this special snowflake.
http://www.kansasopengov.org/kog/databank#report_id=4&search=Moore-Jansen
Yeah, yeah, I was speaking of the tuition you are paying for your kids to attend, not what the doofus is being paid. Unclear, my bad.
Ted Unlis says:
Don't know about Kansas, but the Texas Tribune public employee salary database reveals that in Texas, most professors at major universities like UT Austin or A&M College Station (and there are thousands of them) draw annual salaries of $200K and up.
He's not paranoid if someone is out to get him. But it is not the legal concealed carriers he should be afraid of, it's the SJW types and the BLM people that riot and burn down college buildings and hold university presidents hostage if their "trigger warnings" and "safe spaces" are violated. The "children" are telling the "parents' what to do.
This is all predicted in the bible that when people turn away from the word of G-d, what was once right is now wrong and what was wrong is now right and the children would be bossing the parents.
CLarson says:
"Do you feel in charge?"
Shire-man says:
Really? Faculty can "take control"?
Sorry, your students are adults. They want to take the risk and leave they'll leave.
Like in the absence of a gun a prof would otherwise be able to hold or detain a student. That fat sickly fuck in the photo going to detain a 18-20 something student? Gonna let the armbars fly I suppose?
Seems like a lot of these paranoid profs think they're teaching at elementary schools for students with emotional trauma and violence issues and not at centers of alleged higher ed with working adults who have their own lives, jobs and families to worry about.
Button Gwinnett says:
Professor Moore-Jansen has unwittingly admitted that gun control is not about controlling guns. It's about controlling citizens.
Just because Dr. Butterball has control issues, and is use to thinking he has control of "his" class room does not mean that he ever really did. Poor thing is likely so hen pecked at home that the most frequent phrase he speaks outside of class is "yes dear." Now he feels that little bit of control has been taken away!
Sometimes it's stated, sometimes we need to read between the lines.
derfel cadarn says:
Always has been !
Stinkeye says:
"Seems like a lot of these paranoid profs think they're teaching at elementary schools for students with emotional trauma and violence issues…"
Have you been on a college campus recently? That is *exactly* what many colleges have become. They just keep infantalizing the the students more and more. "Safe spaces" with hot cocoa and coloring books and so forth.
I'm a little amused that this nitwit thinks that there's anything he can do to stop me when I'm unarmed, if I choose to leave. That's ignoring the fact that him actually doing so would immediately be breaking numerous laws since, sorry professor, you aren't the king of your college and you can't actually make anyone do anything.
"One major concern that came from the survey is how can professors maintain control of the class," Moore-Jansen said. "In a tornado, students want to go home, they want to leave, but the faculty can take control and tell them what needs to be done. But what happens when someone in the class feels empowered? Guns may or may not be the source of that, but it is still something that needs to be thought about."
All of your students are presumed to be adults. If an adult wants to go play in a tornado, I say let him. If an adult has survived a tornado and now wants to look at the destruction, I say let him. If he wants to go home and check on his family, I say let him.
Why do you feel a need to control the actions of an adult? What gives you moral authority to control adults, who can vote, join the military, buy cigarettes? Is your name really Dr. Ferris?
MamaLiberty says:
"…let him?" Who has the authority to "let him" or not? How about just getting out of the way? 🙂
16V says:
That would be like someone having the "authority" to force the good Professor to put down the bucket of ice cream, and take his fat ass to the gym.
Instead, we acknowledge his status as an adult, and allow him top make his own bad choices.
So if I'm disarmed this aging hippy is going to make me do what he wants? Ok daddy.
raz-0 says:
The guy has the exact same tools at his disposal as it takes to make people show up and attend class in the first place.
That's all he ever had.
On top of that, I can guarantee the university isn't handing him any kind of training that would have them even suggest he is in charge of student safety in a disaster. It would not surprise me if the dude has already been spoken to with regard to this article on the subject. Schools don't like assuming liability they do not have to.
I faced a similar situation with the company I work for. We work in steel frame building covered in sheet steel. It is refrigerated with ammonia (19000lbs). They regularly have tornado drills where everyone is to congregate in the restrooms. They told me I must follow their rules in case of a real tornado. While I play their game for their drills. I let it be known that I won't be in any restroom if their was a real tornado period. I would come back to help load the body bags afterwords. No one has the right to tell anyone how tho preserve their own life. This includes the government or police. If I die it will be because I made a bad decision not someone else.
Gov. William J Le Petomane says:
Uh… I don't have any g uns nearly big enough to make me feel empowered in the face of a tornado. I mean, I'm pretty sure even a .50BMG wouldn't even slow a tornado one bit. Probably just piss it off.
Snatchums says:
I betcha a Davy Crockett could disrupt a small one though.
jsallison says:
One spinning back kick from Chuck Norris…
Chris T in KY says:
The little tyrants are afraid. Perhaps the professor will be more polite and treat his students with more respect.
LHW says:
But but I thought college was about empowerment.
That's old college. New college is about indoctrination of accepted orthodoxy, and reinforcing the slavish behavior training started in grade school.
Mad Max says:
If they want to go out into a tornado, I'm not going to stop them. I would just mention that it might be a bad move.
So strange. I was a college student for 7 years, and never felt any desire to harm anyone. Well, there was one professor I'd love to have slapped silly… but that wouldn't require a gun. The only control she had was over my grades, which would have influenced my degree program… but still nothing about it rose to the level of violence.
I've carried a gun now for ten years, everywhere and all the time. I've yet to have any reason to draw it, or desire to harm anyone with it.
But yes, a lot of people – including these professors – have CONTROL as their central mantra. And no, Hank, it isn't easy to control rational individualists.
Huntmaster says:
"Well, there was one professor I'd love to have slapped silly… but that wouldn't require a gun." If there was only one you have your own issues…
LOL! That idiot was the only one I can remember after more than 40 years. I'm sure there were others who were annoying, but I don't think I ever encountered one worse. Just not a real issue in general. The lady was "tenured" and when I complained to the admin… well, nothing could be done but endure. I didn't take any of her classes in subsequent semesters, so no real problem. I'm sure it is much worse today.
Students are now able to use third party online tools that enable them to review and rate professors. My daughter has used them to avoid some of the more obnoxious professors, though she hasn't found this to be a complete solution, since some of her required coursework is only taught by one of the worst.
When I went to college(I know, funny as hell, but I did go. For a while. College isn't for every one. We need to rethink the college for everyone paradigm in this country. We need plumbers, diesel mechanics, etc. as well.) I was already a veteran. With a pregnant wife at home. Natural disaster looming on the horizon and the prof gets between me and the exit the prof is getting curb stomped.
Wouldn't need to pull a gun.
kap says:
the problem here is that the administrators assume they have control of a Free thinking individual, who may or may not think the administrators advice is better than their own. Another way to do away with the freedom of choice (Education system) from K-12, go here, do this, religion is awful, you have to comply because? don't learn? that's ok cause you will pass anyway.
Gregolas says:
This joker fears only that "empowered" students will think for themselves.
Grumpy says:
The students in college are technically adults. The can legally and rightly so make their own decisions. Their parents hopefully have been working for 18+ years to give them the foundation to making their own decisions and incrementally increasing their independence. If 18 year old people need babysitters, we already failed and the dangers to them are uncountable, some professor who sees them 3 hours a week is totally irrelevant.
Jay in Florida says:
The thoughts that come out of these minds at these Liberal bastions of education…
This generation of kids and young adults in these schools are absolutely doomed.
Parents and us taxpayers pay for this too??? Shameful.
IdahoBoy says:
If this guy is so opposed to gun violence, then how in the heck did he collect that souvenir he's holding? Was it a knife fight?
That's some funny stuff here…adult students legally carrying guns listening to this buttercup. Dream on doughboy…it's getting tiresome filling out required fields TTAG. Fix it.
Keltex78 says:
We need a change of thought in our institutions of higher learning. Instructors have come to have such an inflated sense of self-importance but they are being paid to perform a service, much the same as a plumber or electrician. They are being paid to perform a service for a customer. As another college graduate, I can personally attest to the impropriety of the "tenure" program. All this does is fuel the professor's ego. My worst classroom experiences were with tenured instructors who literally told students on the classroom that they were "stupid". Unfortunately, the paying customer (student) has no recourse to choose alternatives.
Heartbreaker says:
"Toto, I've a feeling we're not in Kansas anymore."
Coffee Addict says:
I remember a professor who was a real prick, talked down to the students. he pissed me off regularly and I wanted to punch him right in his sanctimonious nose. I was even armed, with a left fist and a right fist. Never did it. imagine that. An armed student not acting on his impulses.
I wouldn't listen to that guy if he told me that the sun rises in the East.
Another flat earther. 🙂
TyrannyOfEvilMen says:
Say what now? LOL.
You don't have control of anything, sir.
OldLawProf says:
If they want to leave, let 'em go. If bad shit happens, you do not want these folks BEHIND your back.
tsbhoa.p.jr says:
heh. too obvious.
https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Ffilmmakeriq.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2014%2F11%2FJohn-Goodman-by-Andy-Gotts-600×577.jpg&f=1
Sounds exactly like the 2nd Paragraph of the Declaration of Indepaendence to me. Making FU stick with stupid oppressing assholes likely requires a gun.
Need more warning?
Kendahl says:
If a student tries to leave during a tornado warning, what is the professor going to do? Block the door? That's called false imprisonment. In the next state to the north, where I live, one may use force to escape. That includes deadly force if lesser force is insufficient. I doubt that the law is different in Kansas.
It's really only controls illusion that he recalls. He really doesn't know control, at all.
BierceAmbrose says:
"But what happens when someone in the class feels empowered?"
You've done your job? The one you're supposed to be doing, I mean.
Yeti2 says:
I was in a college classroom during a tornado and didn't have a gun. The prof wanted me to stay and I left to make sure my family was safe. It turned out everyone was safe, and I'll be the first to admit it was dumb to leave a relatively protected area. And there is no way in the world I was going to change my mind at that time. Even if the prof had a gun, my obligation was and still is to my family.
DaveL says:
So let me get this straight: you're concerned that the young adults you've admitted to an institution of higher learning will, unless inculcated with an unquestioning slave mindset, will walk off unsheltered into tornadoes, possibly walk off cliffs, and otherwise prove themselves too stupid to live?
If an otherwise law abiding gun owner is so freaked out by the tornado that he is going to draw a gun on the professor to escape, he is so freaked out that he will drop the professor with a convenient desk, right hook, pocket knife, or chair…
…just say'n
Short version, if you are doing with that level of insanity, best just get outta the way and let the poor bastard run out into the tornado.
Where I come from, we know a thing or two about tornadoes. We have seen what they can do, up close and personal.
If I'm in a college classroom and there's a tornado warning, the last person I would turn to for advice is some liberal snowflake with a PhD who moved here from Vermont to teach me about whatever. I also won't need a gun to demonstrate who's "in control."
The real problem is that packing heat melts snowflakes. And melted snowflakes can't pay tuition.
Mike in OK says:
This professor seems to believe that any emergency bestows dictatorial powers upon him, and he's afraid that if students are armed they may not follow his commands. Talk about a break with reality.