Azira Arcane
Maybe she doesn't know any?
Completed LPs: UFO - Aftermath, UFO - Aftershock, UFO - Afterlight, UFO Extraterrestrials, Might and Magic VI: The Mandate of Heaven, Might and Magic VII: For Blood and Honor, Silent Storm.
Abandoned LP, at least until I decide to cheat: Metal Brigade Tactics
Ongoing LP: currently none...
Elfberserker said: ↑
Man, Azira is only one here, who has any common sense left anymore.
I'm pretty sure she didn't get to Sabers 7 "just because."
She could also just be a massive tease.
Treave, Wuxiang Qiankun being... well... formless, we should be able to develop it multiple ways, yes?
Also, we should probably inform Bai Jiutian about any anti-pregnancy herbal treatments, etc. that we know of.
No. We really shouldn't.
Somehow I have the feeling Bai Jiutian isn't knowledgeable on this subject.
Good. She'll be in the last month of pregnancyby the time of the Huehueshan Summit and hence won't participate.
Besides, Madam Nie definitely knows how to fix 'accidents' like these.
But Jing telling BJ is better than Madam Nie telling her. This way, BJ is put somewhat in Jing's debt, seeing as BJ can keep a possible pregnancy and abortion secret.
WQS for a Ying tech is good enough of an olive branch. Besides, we need a backup character in case Jing dies.
Well said Brotika.
Those of you voting A3 please consider changing your vote to A3>B3 since the votes are being counted together as a block. I really don't want to give BJ our best skill, either from some useless feeling of guilt or for a few chump moves. Especially to someone who has every reason to eventually betray us. Who has loyalties to others who directly oppose us, and is someone who is remorselessly practical about murder. It's just not going to end well.
You mean, it is a bad idea for BJ to share her best Jinyin technique with someone who has blackmail on her, has every reason to eventually betray her, has loyalties with those who directly oppose Huashan, and is quite a murderer himself in exchange for the basics of WQS?
Sounds legit.
Is she actually sharing her best technique? I somehow doubt that.
BJ knows very little of our actual loyalties really. She just knows that we stir up trouble wherever we go. The Emperor connection still isn't really known either.
But yes, if what BJ was actually sharing was of equivalent value to WQS, it'd be a bad idea for her to share it with us. But I don't think it is so we get screwed on this deal. Our goals conflict with one another and I doubt she would turn from her path. We're not going to be forming any magical unbreakable bonds of friendship with her.
Furthermore BJ hasn't shown any signs of the sentimentality we have, and I think she is much more likely to execute her will regardless of moral qualms than we are. She might not like it, but she will try to kill us if it's necessary to achieving her ambitions. All that crap about honour is just for public show.
treave Arcane
Actually, A3 is an unintended consequence of the way I set up the voting this time. It was too much trouble to make 3 restricted to B, and I just didn't actually expect anyone to be optimistic enough to vote for that particular combination.
If you guys want to flop or make conditionals, better hurry. You might yet have B3 tie with B1.
ERYFKRAD Barbarian
You mean, it is a bad idea for BJ to share her best Jinyin technique with someone who has blackmail on her, has every reason to eventually betray her, has loyalties with those who directly oppose Huashan, and is quite a murderer himself in exchange for the basics of WQS, which she may be competent enough to expand upon and trounce us with, effectively negating any hold we can have on her?
Sounds legit alright.
treave said: ↑
Not an all-female sect, and I forgot to add that Jiuyin technique. You can learn its basics with 1 or 2.
BJ knows very little of our actual loyalties really.
So what do we know about hers? They aren't with Nie Wuxing, they aren't with zhang clan, and at most they align with, but not really match the ones of Madam Nie. How come BJ is declared Shulgi already?
But yes, if what BJ was actually sharing was of equivalent value to WQS, it'd be a bad idea for her to share it with us.
Why? She seeks to become strong enough to stand against zhang clan without Madam Nie's support. We seek the power to protect ourselves from the same enemy. How come the mutual exchange of our trade secrets is to our detriment?
I repeat, we have much more immediate enemies than Bai Jiutian, and so does she.
Our goals conflict with one another and I doubt she would turn from her path.
How come? What is our goal? What is hers?
We're not going to be forming any magical unbreakable bonds of friendship with her.
Friendship is not the only thing that makes people work together.
How is that different from what she knows of our character? If she thinks that much about us and is wrong, could it be that you might be mistaken about her as well?
ERYFKRAD said: ↑
She can expand on the basics we teach to her, but we can't. Alright.
She is BJ man.
Sorry, two letters don't explain anything in itself. Please elaborate.
She is BJ, we are MTP. What of it?
In our 19 years we have achieved what she did in her 23. We are not inherently inferior to her when it comes to learning or devising new techniques.
So what do we know about hers? They aren't with Nie Wuxing, they aren't with zhang clan, and at most they align, but not really match the ones of Madam Nie. How come BJ is declared Shulgi already?
Yeah, I know, in the short term she's probably solid, but in the long-term she's shown every intention of harming us and has gunned for us consistently in the past. When we met with her before she told us that we are a concern that needed to be dealt with, and were on her mistress' shit list. While she's perhaps not the most loyal dedicate when it comes to her own ambition, I can't see a situation where she would forsake Huashan for us, and we know Huashan is eventually going to be gunning for us, 1. because we're the leader of the fire temple. 2. because we're a threat to the status quo.
Also the two skills are not of equivalent value. WQS is one of the three divine, nothing else we have seen or heard of compares. Keep in mind when I say sharing WQS will be to our detriment, I am not speaking in the short-term. I don't doubt the alliance will last in the short-term until Zhang is dealt with. After that, there's no reason for it to continue, and plenty for it to end.
Yeah, I know, in the short term she's probably solid, but in the long-term she's shown every intention of harming us and has gunned for us consistently. When we met with her before she told us we are concern that needed to be dealt with, and were on her mistresses' shit list. While she's perhaps not the most loyal dedicate when it comes to her own ambition, I can't see a situation where she would forsake Huashan for us, and we know Huashan is eventually going to be gunning for us, 1. because we're the leader of the fire temple. 2. because we're a threat to the status quo.
Or maybe status quo is exactly what she is unsatisfied with? It can't be good when Wuxing is ready to throw everything he has to manlou's feet in a bid for power.
Bai Jiutian showed that she has a tendency for independence. While we are on her mistress' (s)hit list, it does not mean she is going to do her bidding forever. She certainly forgot about her 'duties' when it came to her own benefits.
Also the two skills are not of equivalent value. WQS is one of the three divine, nothing else we have seen or heard of compares.
And the Jiuyin technique in question is not something that is copied from one of the three legendary manuals?
Keep in mind when I say sharing WQS will be to our detriment, I am not speaking in the short-term. I don't doubt the alliance will last in the short-term until Zhang is dealt with. After that, there's no reason for it to continue, and plenty for it to end.
I'd say it would be nice to live so long that Bai Jiutian will become the biggest of our troubles.
FFS, why are you taking the guy who accused a roast duck of murder seriously, Nevill?
Also, I dunno man, I'm just not keen on sharing anything with BJ. At all. Not yet, at least.
Because it was an accomplice? We failed to crack the case fully open, but I am sure there was more to it.
The situation is dire enough with zhang clan in hot pursuit, and things are only going to get worse from here when the word - or even a rumor - about the manual gets out.
We need all the guns we can get.
Yeah, but this is a gun with greater potential to backfire than most.
We're a threat to the status quo, so we're a threat to Huashan. BJ isn't going to forsake her sect for our sake, and will probably be expected to lead the fight against the Fire Temple when the time has come. She's a slave to reputation after all.
Is the Jiuyin directly from one of the three legendary manuals? Must of missed that. Even so, WQS is still not something I'd want a rival having.
Also BJ has always been one of our biggest troubles.
Well, you have to offer her something to get something of value in return. I do think the value of what we can offer to each other is equal, and I do hope to accumulate enough goodwill with her for the time being.
If our WQS can't copy it, and the legendary manual is titled 'Jiuyin Divine Skill', I suppose it is.
We have clashed with her 2 times before, with no real harm. We also have worked with her twice - when we were resquing Qilin and during Songfeng. She is not after our companions, she is not a poisoner, and she is not someone with power outside of her martial abilities. Out of everything we've encountered so far, from mercenaries to eunuchs, she is the most straightforward, and dare I say, honorable (yes, yes, I know).
She is a rival, but not exactly an enemy. Which is what the latest arc was all about.