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There Is Nothing Islamic About Child Marriage
This is a column about Muslims and child marriage. I hesitated before writing it. When I pointed out the prevalence of anti-Semitism and homophobia within British Muslim communities earlier this year, I was accused by some of my co-religionists of "selling out", of "fuelling Islamophobia".
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Amarasiri / December 2, 2013
Mr Medhi Hassan,……………………………………………..
"British Muslims should stand up and say it: there is nothing Islamic about child marriage"………………………………………
All Muslims and Non-Muslims should stand up and say it. Being Muslim does NOT give the right for Child Marriage, Child Rape and Child Abuse…….Is the problem with Islam or is it with the Tribal Custom? It was a Tribal Custom before Islam. just like female mutilation……. ……………….
"Child marriage is a form of child abuse, and must be stopped." ABSOLUTELY.
In Yemen a 40 year old man married a 8 year old gird, ans we died the day after the wedding, with a torn uterus……………………..
http://www.ibtimes.com/yemeni-child-bride-8-married-40-year-old-man-dies-internal-injuries-after-wedding-night-1404210
Yemeni Child Bride, 8, Married To A 40-Year-Old Man, Dies Of Internal Injuries After Wedding Night
By Keerthi Mohan
on September 11 2013 6:05 AM………………………………..
In the "Islamic" or Mullah Republic of Iran, the marriage age for girls was raised from 9 to 11 years………
RICHARD DAWKINS takes on ISLAM on Al Jazeera TV…………………..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cv3wTRLh7Xk
Published on Jun 24, 2013 ……………………………….
RICHARD DAWKINS takes on RELIGION on Al Jazeera TV
Mr Hassan, ……………………………………….
It is about thr power of the Mullahs, and the girls pay the price…….
Hitchens: Religion is about power…………………………….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pJ-rWaEyw0
I am no muslim / December 3, 2013
Amarasiri, How old is Muhammad when he married 6 or 9 year old Aisha? Mullah can't raise that age. Man, that's God' wish. What's good for Muhammad is good for his followers. If a Child Bride of 8 died in Yemen, so what? That must be the Allah's wish for her. She will be born in Allah's heaven to be hauri (comfort woman) for all jihadis going there.
Ahamed / December 3, 2013
If you were trying to use the life of Aysha to prove failed child marriages in Islam, you are utterly wasting time. Aysha emerged as an intellectual Islamic encyclopedia and great warrior in her later age through that marriage and finally ended up being called as the Mother of Believers, a name that will be used to refer to her until the final day.
I got your message Ahmed. Muslims who are over 55 should follow the footsteps of their prophet Muhammad and marry 6 year olds and consume them at 9. They all will be perfect mothers and grand mothers. You perverted paedophiles.
I am no Muslim,……………………………………
Child marriages are very prevalent in India……………
Actual child marriage video from India……………….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gg7DLNqkjYk
India's Innocent: Secret Weddings of Child Brides – CBN.com
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjb5L7T0cJc
Mass Child Marriage being performed in the town of Alwar of Rajasthan, India. Child marriages are illegal in India, but are still performed in some places, due to local religious and cultural beliefs which support and justify the cultural practice. The practice of child marriage in rural India is deeply rooted in cultural values and grounded in social structures. And despite laws that prohibit child marriage, the practice is still extremely prevalent in many regions. Though the statistics are contentious, it is estimated that in some parts of India, like the state of Rajasthan, nearly 80 percent of the marriages are among girls under the age of fifteen.
Child marriage is a common practice in many countries around the world, however it is especially prevalent in India, where more than one third of all child brides live. According to UNICEF, 47% of girls are married by 18 years of age, and 18% are married by 15 years of age. These marriages are often performed without the consent of the girls involved in the marriage. Indian law has made child marriage illegal, but it is still widely practiced across the nation. The highest rates are seen particularly in the rural states of Andhra Pradesh, Bihar, Madhya Pradesh, Rajasthan, and Uttar Pradesh.
It affects both boys and girls, but statistics show that girls are far more likely to be forced into a child marriage than boys; however the percentage of girls forced into child marriage in India has declined in recent years. Many consider child marriage to be a human rights violation, resulting in death, health problems, poverty, violence, and lack of education.
Child marriage, also known as Bal Vivaha, is believed to have begun during the medieval ages of India. At this time, the political atmosphere was turbulent and ruled by Delhi Sultans in an absolute monarchy government. The sultans had an extreme commitment to their religion and forced many to convert, causing socio-cultural unrest, and Hindu women suffered the most. These days of the Delhi Sultans produced practices such as child marriage and lowered the status of women even further. They invented the ill omen of giving birth to a female baby and believed that young unmarried girls caused disaster. Child marriage became a widespread cultural practice with various reasons to justify it, and many marriages were performed while the girl was still an infant. The caste system is also believed to have contributed to the growth of child marriage. Castes, which are based on birth and heredity, do not allow two people to marry if they are from different castes. This system was threatened by young people's emotions and desires to marry outside their caste, so out of necessity, child marriage was created to ensure the caste system continued.
Apni Beti, Apna Dhan (ABAD), which translates to "Our Daughter, Our Wealth," is one of India's first conditional cash transfer programs dedicated to delaying young marriages across the nation. In 1994, the Indian government implemented this program in the state of Haryana. On the birth of a mother's first, second, or third child, they are set to receive 500 rupees, or 11 USD, within the first 15 days to cover their post-delivery needs. Along with this, the government gives 2,500 rupees, or 55 USD, to invest in a long-term savings bond in the daughter's name, which can be later cashed for 25,000 rupees, or 550 USD, after her 18 birthday. She can only receive the money if she is not married. Anju Malhotra, an expert on child marriage and adolescent girls said of this program, "No other conditional cash transfer has this focus of delaying marriage… It's an incentive to encourage parents to value their daughters."
Courtesy: Wikipedia
I an no muslim,…………………………………….
"Muslims who are over 55 should follow the footsteps of their prophet Muhammad and marry 6 year olds and consume them at 9. "
No they CANNOT take SHORTCUTS. If they follow the Prophet, they should follow him from the time he became or claimed to be a Prophet, when he was 25, and then MARRY ONLY a 40 year of WIDOW, and have CHILDREN from THE MARRIAGE, and ONLY AFTER THE FIRST WIFE DIES, CAN THEY MARRY CHILDREN……………………….
NO SHORTCUTS PLEASE…————————————
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad
Little is known of Muhammad during his later youth, and from the fragmentary information that is available, it is difficult to separate history from legend.[14][58] It is known that he became a merchant and "was involved in trade between the Indian ocean and the Mediterranean Sea."[60] Due to his upright character he acquired the nickname "al-Amin" (Arabic: الامين), meaning "faithful, trustworthy" and "al-Sadiq" meaning "truthful"[61] and was sought out as an impartial arbitrator.[13][18][62] His reputation attracted a proposal in 595 from Khadijah, a 40-year-old widow who was 15 years older than he. Muhammad consented to the marriage, which by all accounts was a happy one.[14][60]
Omar / December 4, 2013
Ahamed Thank you.
There is this gentleman here who always pulling Aisha R/A name every now and then for everything all the time for matters relevant or not.
I think his aim is to antoganise the commentors.
Its better to ignore such comments although its a little hard to overlook.
The best thing is refrain from reading such comments completely or ignore this 'gentleman's comments, who is trying his maximum to provoke people.
I would like to copy paste this poem.
Don't argue with a fool …
If you are to start
arguing with a fool,
you will look a fool
arguing with the fool!
Anyone nearby will point
saying look – Two fools!
How uncool would that be
for you to look a fool too!
If you argue with a fool
then people might not know,
or really care
who the real fool actually is!
If a fool isn't going to listen
then don't waste your time.
Allow fool to think whatever.
Walk away; all will be just fine.
Save all your breath for someone else
who'll listen to you on another day!
Ritchie Fan
More Yemani Tribal customs, mixed with Islam,……………….
What a shame….Read more………………………………….
I Am Nujood, Age 10 and Divorced Paperback
by Nujood Ali (Author) , Delphine Minoui (Author) , Linda Coverdale (Translator)………………………….
http://www.amazon.com/Am-Nujood-Age-10-Divorced/dp/0307589676/ref=pd_rhf_cr_s_cp_5_NTRN?ie=UTF8&refRID=10MSJVPN2ECDYMMM3DAV
"I'm a simple village girl who has always obeyed the orders of my father and brothers. Since forever, I have learned to say yes to everything. Today I have decided to say no."…………………
Forced by her father to marry a man three times her age, young Nujood Ali was sent away from her parents and beloved sisters and made to live with her husband and his family in an isolated village in rural Yemen. There she suffered daily from physical and emotional abuse by her mother-in-law and nightly at the rough hands of her spouse. Flouting his oath to wait to have sexual relations with Nujood until she was no longer a child, he took her virginity on their wedding night. She was only ten years old…………………………………………….
Unable to endure the pain and distress any longer, Nujood fled—not for home, but to the courthouse of the capital, paying for a taxi ride with a few precious coins of bread money. When a renowned Yemeni lawyer heard about the young victim, she took on Nujood's case and fought the archaic system in a country where almost half the girls are married while still under the legal age. Since their unprecedented victory in April 2008, Nujood's courageous defiance of both Yemeni customs and her own family has attracted a storm of international attention. Her story even incited change in Yemen and other Middle Eastern countries, where underage marriage laws are being increasingly enforced and other child brides have been granted divorces………………………………..
Recently honored alongside Hillary Clinton and Condoleezza Rice as one of Glamour magazine's women of the year, Nujood now tells her full story for the first time. As she guides us from the magical, fragrant streets of the Old City of Sana'a to the cement-block slums and rural villages of this ancient land, her unflinching look at an injustice suffered by all too many girls around the world is at once shocking, inspiring, and utterly unforgettable.
If a healthy girl attains puberty means she is ready to reproduce. The 16 year or 18 year bar is man-made. It is stealing the biological rights of a girl's body. So the decision to marry should be taken by the girl herself and not by the parents or the society. I recently read about a 16 years old girl killing her parents who denied her rights to have an affair with a boy. If you conduct a confidential survey among children under 18 who attained puberty to find out whether they wish to marry and settle in life rather than going to study, an overwhelming majority will opt for settling down early. Hence, I think denying a girl's right to marry after puberty is an abuse of her rights and not the other way.
About forced marriages, whether it is a minor or major and whether it is a Muslim or non-Muslim, it is an offence irrespective of the girl's age and the parents should be punished by general law.
Ahmed,……………………………………………….
The core problem here is Islam and its interpretation by its Mullahs based on 7th Century Tribal traditions that are being practiced in Tribal areas, both Islamic and Non-Islamic, like female genital mutilation with a sharp stone…………………………..
http://news.yahoo.com/child-bride-yemen-dies-internal-bleeding-wedding-night-165832059.html
Child bride in Yemen dies of internal bleeding on wedding night: activist .Reuters …September 10, 2013 12:58 PM……………
SANAA (Reuters) – An eight-year-old Yemeni girl died of internal bleeding on her wedding night after marrying a man five times her age, a social activist and two local residents said, in a case that has caused an outcry in the media and revived debate about child brides.
Arwa Othman, head of Yemen House of Folklore and a leading rights campaigner, said the girl, identified only as Rawan, was married to a 40-year-old man late last week in the town of Meedi in Hajjah province in northwestern Yemen.
"On the wedding night and after intercourse, she suffered from bleeding and uterine rupture which caused her death," Othman told Reuters. "They took her to a clinic but the medics couldn't save her life."
Othman said authorities had not taken any action against the girl's family or her husband……………………………………..
A local security official in the provincial town of Haradh denied any such incident had taken place. He did not want to be identified because he was not authorized to speak to the press………………………
But two Meedi residents contacted by Reuters confirmed the incident and said that local tribal chiefs had tried to cover up the incident when news first broke, warning a local journalist against covering the story……………………………………………………….
Many poor families in Yemen marry off young daughters to save on the costs of bringing up a child and earn extra money from the dowry given to the girl…………………………………………………..
A U.N. report released in January revealed the extent of the country's poverty, saying that 10.5 million of Yemen's 24 million people lacked sufficient food supplies, and 13 million had no access to safe water and basic sanitation………………………………………….
Human Rights Watch urged Yemen's government in December 2011 to ban marriages of girls under the age of 18, warning it deprived child brides of education and harmed their health………………………..
Quoting United Nations and government data, HRW said nearly 14 percent of Yemeni girls were married before the age of 15 and 52 percent before the age of 18. The group said many Yemeni child brides-to-be are kept from school when they reach puberty…………………………….
Discussions on the issue were shelved by political turmoil following protests against President Ali Abdullah Saleh in 2011 that led to his ouster………………………………………………………
(Reporting by Mohammed Ghobari; Writing by Mahmoud Habboush; editing by Mike Collett-White)…………………………………
Amarasiri, I agree that there are child marriages among Muslim communities. But I do not agree that every such child dies after first night. Your cases are few exceptional cases. Custom is not based on exceptional cases. In Sweden, a father, non-Muslim, raped his daughter and kept her in basement for many years. Has Sweden banned fathers from daughters? In US, a man captured school going girls and kept in a closed house for many years. In UK, parents kept own children in closed houses for many years, in one case a child starved to death. What US and UK have done about that? There are many such cases involving non-Muslims. You do not paint a religion factor to them in those cases but if it involves a Muslim you are up in arms! If 14 percent of girls are married under 15 in Yemen, how many percentage died? I am sure you do not have the answer because your study is incomplete and stopped at a point where you wanted. World is very old and human culture evolves with time. My mother married when she was 16 and my grandma married when she was about 11, they lived very happy life. However, in our generation nobody marries under 20 and I think it is a cultural evolution. I heard about Sri Lankan women roaming around half-naked several decades ago. No body do it now except in some clubs where the so-called very civilized people gather. The Muslim culture in Yemen, Nigeria etc is at a certain point and it will evolve with time. We don't know which way it would evolve, Mulla way or other way, just leave their life to them. But you and the West should understand that they have a culture and one shouldn't insult that culture. Yemeni are proud to say that their ancestors introduced multi-story buildings to the world. They respect their culture. Every man in Yemen carries a knife as a part of his costume even now. They are poor in UN standards but not in Yemen standards. You are talking from a country where people perished when protested for clean water! So, instead of searching for statistics on Muslim children and their life standard over the internet, you better first study about the situation in Sri Lanka!
Muslim / December 3, 2013
Amarasiri, Muhammad (pbuh) is no Mullah, he is the last prophet of Allah. It is with Allah's sanction Muhammad (pbuh) married all his wives. And we Muslims should follow him without question.
Banda / December 4, 2013
Muslim: If all Muslim women listened to Malala's speech, none of them would approve Muhammad marrying 6 year old and consuming her at 9 and confine her to his harem. And they would not let their kith and kin marry your type until they finish their education.
Banda,
Muslims and Indians should listen to Mallala's speech……….
Malala Yousafzai Story: The Pakistani Girl Shot in Taliban Attack
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9F5yeW6XFZk
Child marriages are very prevalent in India…………… Actual child marriage video from India………………. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gg7DLNqkjYk ………………………………………………….. India's Innocent: Secret Weddings of Child Brides – CBN.com …………………………………………………. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjb5L7T0cJc Published on Jun 21, 2012 Mass Child Marriage being performed in the town of Alwar of Rajasthan, India. Child marriages are illegal in India, but are still performed in some places, due to local religious and cultural beliefs which support and justify the cultural practice.
Banda, and Others : The curse of Taliban …………………………………………………
These are the Taliban Terrorists with whom Mallala and her family are fighting …. The Tribal Taliban using religion for their own hegemony, a new escalated level beyond what the current "Moderate" Mullahs are using……. They live in the 7th Century, but use 20th century guns to kill… as opposed to the sword…
Taliban Release Shocking Video Complete- Reuters TV ……..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMijGEaE60g
One Comment: ………………………………………….
This has got nothing to do with Islam. The taliban are nothing but dirty uneducated men who cant get a woman and hangaround in gay groups killing people which is against GOD's wishes. They rule by fear.
Another Comment:……If sharia is imposed on the world,see what will happen..the mullahs still live in 7th century,The mullahs who live in uk,america and India live like modern people but inside they Support this activity as it makes them feel that they are superior
Alan / December 4, 2013
Amarasiri,
Child marriages are happening in Indian villages as well. but it will never come on media if that case belong to non-Muslims. In India per day how many women are being raped? only one or two cases will show on the media. But rape happens in Islamic country like Afghanistan, Pakistan will be shown all over the popular medias. How many rape case recorded per year in Afghanistan? Please do remember in Sri Lanka 5 rape cases recorded per day as a police report of 2012. In USA every two minutes a woman has been raped (FBI report in 2011). Are you think that USA is tribal country?
Is it problem of Islam?
Mervyn Silva / December 3, 2013
Idiot we are talking about 40 year olds getting merried to 9 year old. Comprehende? Fuking child rapists! Pedophiles. BEstalian perverts!
paul / December 3, 2013
Does Islam extend this to healthy boy attaining puberty too? Is it ok for a 12 (or 16) year boy to marry a 50 (or 60 ) year old woman? If not can someone tell me the reasons for this hypocrisy?
Foul, I was not talking about Islam. I was talking about the biological needs of the human body. If you are talking about Islam, yes, a boy who attained puberty can marry an elderly woman whatever her age is, if he can support her financially. In Islam a man should be able to support his wife/wives, there is no free sex! When Prophet married his first wife, she was about 17 years older than him!
GOD / December 3, 2013
No it's not allowed because I have said that in those days older women are less sexually active than sexually proactive young girls who can give more pleasure with their young fragment of sweat. Also with a young a girls you can wrap her tight close to you then roll on the bed and you cant do it with a older woman with fat belly because no Gym on those days and Arabs were uncivilized until 600 AD. Plus they are stinking because they were roasted due to high temperature so it was difficult to get real pleasure. You can add more if you wish because one of my books is to be amended by people like prophet Mehdi Hasan.
If you feel that what I said was a just a joke. Soon a Muslim will reply with another humorous comment according to Quran.
There is no Goat But Ballah.
if you are sinhala: Buk Buk. if you are english: Bow wow.
Does Islam extend this to healthy boys attaining puberty too? Is it ok for a 12 (or 16) year boy to marry a 50 (or 60 ) year old woman? If not can someone tell the reasons for this hypocrisy?
You child abusing promoter. You cant see internal organs development by puberty. That's why some girls were killed. More than those religious cults those things should be considered.
Also Islam promote child marriage between older man and under age child because of Islamic prophets marriage to Aisha. But in Islamic country underage boys marriage to Older women are not happened even cougar cub relations like western countries because of Islam.
So all those are not just ordinary deaths they are systematic abuses and killings by Islam.
Islam should be wiped out or changed to make it suitable to Civilized societies.
Now Get F**k Your Brain Before reply me with another lie.
AYMAN / December 2, 2013
AHMAD,
I FULLY ENDORSE ALL WHAT YOU HAVE STATED.
WHEN A GIRL ATTAINS PUBERTY,IRRESPECTIVE OF AGE SHE IS BIOLOGICALLY
READY FOR MARRIAGE. IN ISLAM A GIRL HAS TO CONSENT.SHE CANNOT BE
FORCED TO MARRY SOMEONE SHE DISLIKES.
A MAN OF 60 MARRYING A GIRL 10 YEARS OLD, SHOULD THINK OF HIS
DAUGHTER OF THIS AGE.
CHILD MARRIAGE IS NOT ONLY IN ISLAM,BUT OTHER RELIGIONS AND CULTURES.
THE BEST EXAMPLE IS OF GHANDHIS MARRIAGE TO KASTURBAI.
ACTUALLY, THESE ARE MORE LINKED WITH TRIBAL CUSTOMS,RATHER
THAN RELIGIONS.
IT IS WRONG TO CONDEMN ANY PARTICULAR RELIGION.
Ayman and ZAhmad,…………………………………………
Child Marriage Indian Hindu Style………
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEjIiPrXRsw
Movie Review-Water……………………………
Uploaded on Jul 6, 2009…………………………
Water, (2005), the story of an 8-year-old widow forced into a life of hermitage and celibacy because of her husbands death, is reviewed by Penn State Professor Bill Kelly. This tradition is still practiced in parts of India.
I didn't watch your link. But most of them have less effect to the problem because they try to remove religion from that. For example in a Al Jazeera show a woman said that no religion take steps to stop child marriage. But in Islam that is promoted. World should learn to criticize religions whatever it is if the religion is wrong.
God, See, Amarasiriya handles Islam with a kid's glove. But he criticizes Sinhala Buddhists severely at every opportunity. What more proof than that to show Amaraya is a covert Muslim and a TRUE Jihadi.
Yeah I have seen. I agree with you. What ever religion it should be criticized if it's wrong. It should be impartial.
I am no muslim,Sunhala Buddhist…………………….
"Amaraya is a covert Muslim and a TRUE Jihadi."
Amaraya (Eternal-Sanskrit)is no convert and had witnessed and heard as a child in 1958,the chilling Atrocities committed by the Sinhala Buddhists and many Buddhist Monks against the innocent Tamil people in the South, and the killing of the Prime Minister SWRD Bandaranaike, in 1959 by the Sinhala Buddhist Monk Somarama, that were all contrary to what was taught at School and at Daham Pasela……………..
Amarasiri had also read the write up -Emergency'58 – Tarzie Vitachi 1958………………………………
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1958_riots_in_Ceylon
What did the enlightened Buddha teach? What is there in the Tipitaka? Buddhism, is fine, but it is the Sinhala Buddhism that is the curse of Lanka………………………………….
Rather sad, Lanka dis not become Jain or even Hindu like Bali and be peaceful……………………
AYMAN, Just the other day a girl in our village who is only 9 had attained puberty. I know the girl, and she's only a playful child. Are you suggesting she is ready to be screwed? // Do not bring about Gandhi's marriage and confine Muhammad consuming Aisha at 9 to tribal customs. When Muhammad was 25, he married Khadijah who was 15 years senior. I am not saying that is wrong. All I am saying is there is no custom in Muhammad's Quraysh tribe to marry older women. Muhammad married her because is rich. Accept it, Muhammad married Aisha because he was a perverted paedophile. Out of all norms, Muhammad married his adopted son's wife. Muhammad was a sex manic. Muslims are trying to defend un-defendable.
Banda,AYMAN and Muslim………………………………
"Muhammad married Aisha because he was a perverted paedophile. Out of all norms, Muhammad married his adopted son's wife. "……
Question: Were there verses in the Quran asking Mohamed to take on these two marriages? Does the Hadith, Sayings, say anything about it? This will;l clear the controversy, or ask the "Scholars" for their interpretation. ………
whywhy / December 3, 2013
Girls of any religion must be sent to school for at least
up to A/L.Up to O/L, must be made compulsory.By this time
girls will be around 16 yrs.Still not matured enough to
understand family responsibility.She then should be given
the opportunity,depending on her interest and performance
in her education,to continue further or change to skills
training at least for another year and be employed for a
couple of years and learn about earning,spending and saving.
She now has some basic life experiences and ready to
choose her and her children's future.It's not all about her
puberty that should matter.Living with respect and dignity
as a partner and a mother who can raise intelligent future
generation is what matters and that's where Muslims are far
behind in the modern societies.Srilankan Muslims,thanks to
multicultural experience,are well advanced not to fall into
this unfortunate practice in the name of religion.
Whywhy……………………………………………………..
"Srilankan Muslims,thanks to multicultural experience,are well advanced not to fall into this unfortunate practice in the name of religion."………………………………………..
Yes, the Muslim girls living in Non-Muslim counties are the lucky ones, as the tyranny of the Mullah and Ulama are diluted. Data and facts support this above statement and 50 years ago, only about 3% of the Saudi women were literate (the Wahhabi Effect). The women of secular Turkey, Egypt, Iraq, Iran and other countries fared far better…………..
The Mullahs and Ulema are using women to exert their hegemony and control and their own interpretation. The women i.e. girls are the victims in this turf war, that has been going on for centuries. For excample, the Ulema of South Asia decreed that women cannot go to Mosques for Friday and many other prayers, which is not the practice on other countries…,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Is it Moral for a 40 year Muslim Man,to marry a 8 year old girl, based on religious morality, as the Mullahs say it or should it be based on reason?…………..
Hitchens Demolishes Sharpton in Debate on Morality………….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIAfg_bG2QA
Uploaded on Feb 17, 2009
Hitchens completely destroys Sharpton in a debate.
Sri Lankan Muslim / December 3, 2013
Amarasir,You are correct this Shit Mullas are the Mafia of Muslim society and they know only one side, the Child arriage of age 9 is HARAM… not acceptable at all. This is Tribal…
Nonsence, Muhammad had married thirteen women, including eleven at one time. He married Aisha when she was 6-year-old and consumated her at 9. Muhammad's penchant for girls so much younger than him was such that at least two of his father-in-laws (Abu Bakr and Omar, the first two Caliphs) were actually younger than him as well. // To Muslims like this 'Sri Lankan Muslim', though they view Muhammad as the ideal servant of God, his sexual relationship with a nine-year-old girl is unacceptable if not shocking to say the least. So, Muslim apologists often piece together various accounts to deny that Aisha was that young. // Ibid, Number 3894 says: "Aisha (may Allah be pleased with her) narrated: The Prophet (the blessing and peace of Allah be upon him) married me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Madina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Umm Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became all right, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said: "Best wishes and Allah's Blessing and good luck." Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah's Apostle (the blessing and peace of Allah be upon him) came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age." // So don't blame Shit Mullahs blame pbuh Muhammad.
I think you were busy and omitted something. '…Aysha did not bleed to death after that marriage. In fact it turned out to be one of the most successful marriages in human history. Even today millions of people all over the world greet and pray for her. She did not die without address like millions of graduate (18+) non-Muslim mothers…!'. If she had waited until 18 years and married to a young nomad, nobody would be talking about her. Whether there is a heaven or not afterlife, she has made her birth worth through that child marriage!.
That's what I mean, Ahamed: [Edited out]
Sorry man, you were edited out. Nevertheless, I can guess what you would have written! I wish you had had young parents and healthy grand parents to guide you in life as to how to behave with others. What to do, now it is too late; we cannot straighten a dog's tail, can we?!
Amarasiri
Money is the new religion everywhere today.It's just
a matter of being honest enough to accept it fully
and move on without playing double games.Even the
Ulemas,Vicars,Monks,Patriotic leaders of today and
people of all walks of life,are running after it
under different shapes of outer wears for different
groups.All hypocrites.In my experience with this
religious lot,I could not see a single honest chap.
All I can say is,THEY DO NOT KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING.
NO KNOWLEDGE AT ALL.SOME PEOPLE ARE JUST ADDICTED AND
CALL THEMSELVES "RELIGIOUS." Taking the vulnerable
Muslims to Mecca on pilgrimage has become a very good
source of money spin for many Ulemmas in our country.
Mosques have become platforms of advertisements of
travel sub agent Ulemmas.The race now is,how many
visits one has done to Mecca.Even Prophet Muhammad
has been defeated in piety by some Muslims visits to
Mecca.Irony is endless.
I agree, The saying goes "Educate a woman and you educate a nation".. No wonder countries that disregard this dictum fall far behind the rest…
Fathima Fukushima / December 3, 2013
Barbarians!
No wonder they get hammered left right and centre throughout the world.
This is a community bound for extinction.
aubergine / December 3, 2013
Very soon something will explode between your legs fuckushima!
aubergine, Your comment is a typical threat of a Wahhabi who cannot face-up to the truth.
Come out of the glass house and throw them.
Spring Koha / December 3, 2013
As long as we have animals masquerading as 'men' the rest of society should protect the vulnerable, be they children, women or even men.
JimSofty / December 3, 2013
Child marraige and Polygamy is common among some Christian Sects.
Only in this christians are bashing Muslims.
Jim Softy,……………………………………………….
Yes. Christians are living in Glass Houses and Throwing Stones at non-Christians. They claim somebody born of a virgin, had to move from Nazareth to Bethlehem in order to satisfy the Old Testament "Prophesy" and be born, and then die on the cross and save mankind, both the curretly living and the future yet to be born mankind, by the Zealot who was fighting the Roman occupation to free his land…. the "Velupillai Prabakaran" less the atrocities………………………………..
Want to know more about Christianity and be saved from the eternal Hell-fire? Listen to the follwing discourses by Chris and Richard……………….
Christianity is False and Immoral. (Christopher Hitchens)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HA55jGyq2C8
In this age of reason, nobody should make one accountable for the abuses and excesses of the Catholic Church, which is unprecedented in the history of Religions and religious Dogma………………………………………… …… Listen to What another "Chris" has to say about the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church Arguments to whitewash the Crimes committed by the Church.. Christopher Hitchens Destroys The Catholic Church………………….. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3766TOukRo
……………………………………………………………… Uploaded on Apr 5, 2011 Hitchslapped!
JIM, What about LORD BUDDAH ? He [Edited out]
mechanic / December 4, 2013
Buddha no polygomist. He was married at 16 had one wife and one son.
Numerous examples of polygamy is there in the Old Testament, but not accepted in modern Christianity. Modern day polygamy is practised by Mormons of Utah.
If you were watching NDTV these days,you would be familiar with three sex scandals in India. BJP's PM candidate Modi is in news for appearing with a girl in a 2008 photo whom he was snooping later on. Second is about the famous Tehelka editor Tejpal now in remand for molesting a female journo. Third is the Supreme Court Judge (Rtd) Ganguly being investigated by a high level committee for alleged molesting of a Law apprentice. All three were non-Muslim high profile people in their sixties and the victims are non-Muslim girls in their twenties (about forty years difference). A boy under eighteen was imprisoned for three years for raping and killing a medical student. His companions were sentenced to death. Because the boy was few days less than 18 years, he was tried at a juvenile court which has power to grant maximum of 3 years imprisonment for any crime; all involved were non-Muslims. The reason for my quoting those news is that whether the men are over sixty or under eighteen, they have sexual desires irrespective of the religion, age or social status. The artificial bar of 18 years is man made and does not have any link to biological needs. Marrying after gaining experience in the society may be good if the men around are Buddhas! But practically what happens is different. Girls are abused at home by male siblings and relatives, by teachers at schools, from conductor to driver and everybody in between in the buses, jacked in crowds even at Pereheras, squeezed under umbrellas, molested behind shrubs in parks, kissed in the last raw of theaters and robbed every thing left at the university and workplace! Finally when she poses like a Virgin Mary for wedding photograph, she already lost everything what Mary had. Sadly, she is already in her thirties and can contribute only to an aging population. My argument is not based on Islam. What I am telling is that people lose about 15 potential years lonely starving for sex and hunt for illicit pleasure to compensate that later. No animal or plant postpone breeding for better life. So the man made artificial age limits are against the nature!
So you want Muslims to take cue from animal and plant breeding habits and produce like cockroaches but at the same time like good human beings take modern medicine and cut down child mortality, prolong life and increase human numbers to an unsustainable level. Islam is a threat to entire humanity.
Mechanic, you are thinking like a machine without oil. Marrying early and having legal sex is not all about producing children. You see crows and bats around Colombo, does anybody do a birth-control to them? Yet have they out numbered you? The nature knows how to keep a balance. If human increases in number, wars and diseases will break out to control the number. Saudi which had Islamic way of life for more than 1400 years has hardly reached 20 million. In my opinion if a man or woman marries early he or she will have more years to grow up their children and grand children in a well mannered way. Otherwise, the nextgen will be like most of the non-Muslim readers who comment in an uncivilized way in this public forum. I can imagine how their parents would look like and behave like! Your theory of marrying late and having limited number of children will end up in unproductive over-aged community and that is what you should call 'unsustainable level'!.
Ahamed, Man, how can the nature or God maintain a balance when man is inventing new thing and use it against natural selection. True true, in spite of God told Abraham that numbers of his decendents will increase to more than the stars in the sky, Saudi couldn't reach (not 20) even 5 millian in 1400 years after Koran was read. That's because natural selection worked perfectly well all that time. But Saudi oil wealth and new technology changed all that. Do you know how many grand sons King Saud has now? I bet you cannot count.
So you have proven that you have a metal brain that has stuck somewhere thinking man is Supreme. Refresh your mind watching the buses floating over Galle bus stand during Tsunami, then go to Maharagama Cancer hospital and see some child patients, now visit to Mullivaikal and smell the burned skeletons. Ready, now place a coin in your table, close your eyes and imagine that the coin is the sun, now imagine that there is a tiny dot in your neighbor's house, that is the earth, imagine an atom in the dot, that is Sri Lanka, imagine a proton in the nucleus of the atom, that is you and now imagine a photon size particle in the proton and that is your brain. We are happy to use inventions but they are not taking one to where he wanted to be. I have seen many grandfathers living 90+, parents living 80+, uncles living 70+ and friends struggling 40+.! In this most civilized, well advanced Sri Lanka very rarely people cross 100 mark while supposedly their counterparts in Saudi and Mongolia marry classmates of great grand daughters (just an imagined statement). Inventions may give you the feeling that you have beaten the nature, but that feeling is temporary and will remain only until you find it out how helpless small creature you are. I found it when one of my close relative, even after chemotherapy, radiotherapy and bone marrow transplant, was slowly dying in front of me due to leukemia!
All I tried to show with the Saudi example is modern technological inovations have upset the natural selection (God) to limit the population at sustainable numbers. Unless we control population using our heads without leaving it to the God, this world is doomed. That's what this argument is about. // There couldn't have been that many deaths at Mullivaikal for you to smell it. If there is, no one could have cover it from the US satalights for all that camp is in an open space. However, if you wanted to smell the blood, you should have visited Kathankoody mosque on August 3rd 1990 because that day, 147 Muslims were shot dead by LTTE while prostrating in Isha prayers.
and In Buddhism, nothing is lasts for ever.
Marwan / December 3, 2013
Interesting to watch the writer Mehdi Hassan's debates on youtube, specially the one on 'Is Islam a peaceful religion', at the Oxford Union. He just demolishes the opposition. Mainly appears on Al-Jazeera as producer of the popular TV series, 'Head-to-Head'.
I think it's the other way round. Dawkins got Hassan to accept the stupidest of all things: Muhammad going to Heaven in a winged horse.
Hurt citizen / December 4, 2013
Talk about child abuse in buddist temples??? How many boys have your holy monks abused in temples? This goes to show that monks are sex starved homosexuals that rape little boys and girls! You talk about just one case in yemen, but just Google and see how many sinhalese men rape their own sons and daughters while the the mothers go abroad to earn a living! How many buddist dance masters rape the little ones?? How many buddist teachers have raped underage children? Isnt this an open secret we all have heard of? This one sinhalese buddist man was caught raping a 2 month old baby! Google it! And the amount of child abuse/rape in buddist temples in lanka is staggering according to HRW(human rights watch). So dont go about blaming muslims here for something thats happened in a foriegn country. Look at your own scum first coz you have so many more than what yemen has. Look at the news, every murder gruesome murders you read about in news has been done by buddists! 99.9999% of the murders, robberies, rape, child abuse, and every criminal activity under the sun is done by these so called patriotic buddists! When your holy leaders are child abusers, what more can you expect from you lot? How many wives and mothers have been taken advantage of at temples just by your monks alone? Please clean up your own filthy backyards before pointing at others…
https://www.colombotelegraph.com/index.php/sri-lankas-hidden-scourge-of-religious-child-abuse/
Here is proof of the hundreds if not thousands of underage BOYS raped by buddist monks and their hiky buddist followers… One case in yemen is equal to a hundred rape if minors your sinhala. Buddists commit!
OK you have written 99.9999% of the murders, robberies, rape, done by buddists and monks. But you should come up with references bigot. Now, type "Paedophile by Mullah" and google and read what Mullahs do. Ashamed? No. Read more.
Maghribi / December 4, 2013
We can't help if one is consumed with propaganda and insists on spreading false information. Islam in fact permits marriages only at puberty for both Males and Females and certain conditions have to be met, such as mental maturity / financial ability for Males and many other factors are taken into account by their respective guardians.
Prophet Muhammed (PBUH) received divine inspiration in matters concerning his life. Before describing the rationale behind this married relation, let it be known that the Holy Prophet (PBUH) married Sayyida Aisha (RA) not out of his own desire rather it was a Divine inspiration. One need to note that for the first 54 years of his life he had only one wife, which was Sayyida Khadija (RA). He spent his entire youth with her and she was a two time widowed woman, 15 years elder to him. For the next four years, his only wife was Sayyidah Sa'uda(RA).
One must first understand that 1400 years ago was a very different time than now, times have changed since then and so have humans. 1400 years ago it was something very common to marry young girls, in fact they were not considered young girls, and rather they were considered young women back then. Back then the average life span of people were around 42 years of age.
It is a historic fact that girls from the ages of 9 to 14 were being married in Europe, Asia, and Africa, in fact even in the US girls at the age of 10 were also being married just a century ago. Yet with these facts no historian claims that all these people were sick perverts. Historians would call anyone who made such a claim to be arrogant and very stupid who has no grasp or understanding of history.
wasim ahmed / February 26, 2014
Respected Sir Mehdi Hasan,
You wrote "I hesitated before writing it." According to Muhammadi's you are in right view. Muhammadi (Muhammadan) and Muslim are two types of groups existing in Islam. Sahabis are also of two types, right side Sahabis and left side Sahabis. After the Wisal (death) of Sallam Ahmad one Sahabi said "He is not Muhammad Rasul Allah (in whose talks and character only the best exists) but only a Rasool like the earlier Rasools. And to establish disrespect against Muhammad all the history and incidents were created, Therefore the believers of every religion are in surprise and had a negative view on Muhammad. The left side Sahabis presented their literature on the point of a sword, They popularized Muhammad as Ummi (uneducated) and propagated their old beliefs that 'Allah is one personality who stay in the sky' and 'the words of Allah reached to Muhammad through the Angel Gabriel'. All these narrations were propagated on the point of a
sword. Muhammad nullified 'Allah as a personality ' through the propagation of " LA ILAH ILLALLAH" and he concluded 'human beings are the gentle creation of the universe that the duty of human being is to serve the creations but not to rule over it or to get a service'.
Most of the Muslims are insulting Muhammad by appreciating Allah whereas any person of the world cannot prove that 'Allah is a personality' or 'the presence of seven skies'.
They made the history that Muhammad had many wives; for copulation (Mubashirat) turn of every wife was fixed; one wife was dearest among all wives; Maria Kabtiya was declared as Loundi (maid servant); and in case of Khadija Thahira 'it was made famous that Khadija Thahira was a widow of two husbands'. Ali Sina Taslima Nasreen as well as Salman Rashdi and the people opposing Islam are all followers of those fabricated stories Dajl doer Sahabis because the defamation of Muhammad is being continued, and their Dajl (form of deception that involves changing of material without changing the title or the structure).
When the daughter of his goodself Fatima Zohrah came to Madina her age was seventeen years. That time Abubakar as well as Umar sent a proposal for marriage, then Muhammad replied that "still my daughter is of below age", when his goodself made this law then how could he make the six or nine year old Aisha as wife. The same Sahabiya Aisha is saying that "the Habshis were dancing in the Mosque and Muhammad showed me the dance by keeping me on his shoulder". Muhammad said "do not copulate (Mubashirat) during menses of ladies", but the statement of Aisha is "Muhammad used to copulate (Mubashirat) during the 'menses period' after dressing me into thin cloth, and in one water tub we both used to take bath together".
Muhammad put an end to slavery, but those Muslims created the tales about Muhammad that he was keeping Loundi and slave. Other than this, they made very wide and effective propagation about abundant wives and making a premature small girl as wife. Whereas the clean and pure characters of those venerable people who accepted the Muhammadi lesson is exposed to the world.
Dear Sir Mehdi Hasan we appreciate your view "British Muslims Should Stand Up and Say It: There Is Nothing Islamic About Child Marriage". According to the law of Muhammad Fatima was over 18 years at the time of marriage.
Wasim Ahmed.
Solapur, Maharashtra
error / March 8, 2014
@Mehadi hasan: it is appreciable that mehadi hasan found nothing islamic in CHILD MARRIAGE specially after studing "Ayesh's matter".and I hope he may find many more things which are not islamic but muslims have.
@wasim: it is true about marriage age of Muhmmed's only child fatima with ali, clearly indicating customs of hashmi family related to marriage age.It is also found that according to hashmi custom Muhmmed married at age of 25 with Khatiza when she was at age of 28 and she was not widow.
@MUHMMADI AND MUSLIM: it is observed that this two group revealed publically at the occassion of death of Muhmmed when first dictorate of lslam Abu Bakar announced that "Don't worship Muhmmed since he died and Allah is hayyi….".Because this announcement emphisis that there were people who were worshiping Muhmmed and following WAHDATUL WAJOOD I.e nullify existance of allah at seventh sky but occupying every where.These group of people are Muhmmadi.While Muhmmed never objected on their worship but Abu bakar deinying worship of Muhmmed and WAHDTUL WAJOOD objected those people and signified presence of other group "Muslim".Muhmmed already clarified that human being is not ruler but servent.Muhmmed never mentioned about caliphate but Abu bakar and people of same opinion orignated dictorship in islam under name of CALIPHATE .Abu bakar and his fellow introduced many things in islam showing their superiority over MUHMMED while Muhmmed never mentioned about those things in his own lifetime.If Abu bakar and his fellow could change and introduce things like CALIPHATE,TARAWEEH,QURAN,KILLING FOR ZAKAT and so many things, one can imagine about history of Muhmmed observed on the basis of those people and document produced during their reign or dictorship.
gary / November 6, 2014
The profit mohammed communicated with god for 20 years in all that time why didn't god tell him that marrying a 6 year old was wrong
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