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Jodi Arias Afternoon Session Recap 10/28
October 28, 2014 by tamaratattles 31 Comments
And we are back. Nurmi asks Flores again if the bullet is a hollow point. Flores says he would need to review the ballistics report to answer that. Then he questions the sex tape and asks if was authenticated. Flores says no. Um Nurmi, this is YOUR evidence that YOU brought in. He goes on to talk about all the nasty sex talk and point out how that is not the conversations of a good moron boy. He talks about Travis wanting to beat up Abe. He talks about Travis wanting to tie Jodi to a tree. Basically, it's bash the victim time. Martinez objects. Sidebar.
Flores is Mormon so it is determined that he is qualified to testify that Travis' phone conversation was not acceptable to the church. Nurmi goes over detail after detail pointing out that Travis was not the perfect 30 year old virgin he proclaimed himself to be. Nurmi is asking questions like, Do the laws of chastity include Travis shooting jizz on Jodi's face? Juan Martinez is objecting his head off. Sidebar. Loud and animated. Nurmi wins and has the court reporter read the jizz question back. lol. Who is this new Nurmi?
Nurmi: "Would knowing what a 12-year-old girl's 1st orgasm sounds like be consistent with laws of chastity?" Objection. SIDEBAR. Animated lawyers on both sides. Nurmi: Detective Flores, you let me know if you don't understand any of the questions I'm asking. Okay? Nurmi- Is it illegal for anyone to have sex with a 12 year old? Flores…yes it's illegal."Would it be legal to watch videos of a 12yo girl having her first orgasm?" OBJECTION SIDEBAR! Stephens allows Nurmi to ask different forms of the question, over and over.
Next Nurmi fucks with Flores some more by having his read explicit emails sent by Travis to Jodi to the courtroom. They say thing like, "the intesity will make you feel you like you've been raped but enjoyed every second of it." He calls her a slut and other things that the tweeters are reluctant to tweet out. Next the puts the penis picture up on the screen. I thought they were not allowed to do that because there was no official verification of the owner of the penis in the first trial. Travis led a double life is the overall theme.
Time for cross. Juan asks if Jodi reported the phone stolen. She did. Juan asks question to imply that Jodi taped the call to set Travis up. She planned the call and taped it. The phone was reported stolen and yet magically showed up in the hands of the defense experts. Juan asked if Jodi was offended by the 12 year old girl comment. No. She liked it. Juan asks if slitting someone's throat is in line with the LDS beliefs. No. Martinez asks if either Jodi or Travis ever said they loved each other on the 40 minute call. No. Juan asks Flores if anything in his investigations suggested Jodi was mentally ill. After objection. Sidebar. He is allowed to answer no.
A perfectly sane person in the courtroom tweeted this " Martinez just asked Flores if he ever had sex with Nurmi. (CORRECTION HE ASKED FLORES IF HE HAD SEX WITH JODI) Nurmi objects. Sustained" Joking? Perhaps but another completely unrelated tweeters said this, "Juan- When Nurmi was asking you to be Travis and he was #jodiarias were you naked on the stand? Flores NO" and this "Juan- Did you have sex with Jodi Flores…No" I think everyone has just lost it in the courtroom.
Juan, "Let's talk about this sequencing again. Did you believe Jodi Arias when she told you she had parents? " Objection. "Did you disbelieve everything she told you? Flores No.
Nurmi on redirect, "You're writing a book about this aren't you detective?" Martinez objects. Afternoon potty break.
We're back Nurmi wants a transcript of the sex talk entered into evidence. Martinez objects. SIDE BAR.
Nurmi asks again if Flores is writing a book. He says no. I bet Nurmi is. Nurmi has Flores read a text from Travis to Jodi where he says he loves her. He gets Flores to admit his not a mindreader and doesn't know what other people are thinking when they do things like buy gas cans or have sex. He gets Flores to admit he has no idea if Jodi is mentally ill or not. He says if the prosecution wanted to test the phone he had the right to do so.
The tweets are slowing down because I assume they are as tired of this as I am. Shouldn't be more than 15 more minutes. I would like to get to the juror questions if possible.
Nurmi somehow gets Flores to say that Jodi in fact did NOT like the 12 year old girl comment.
Jury has five questions.
Where did Jodi clean up after murder? doesn't know.
Were her pants found? no.
Was blood found in rental car? no.
Who recorded sex call? Jodi
Where were the roommates? One was home and going to work. Others were housesitting.
When did roommates find Travis? 5 days later
When was the sex tape made? 3 weeks before the murder.
State rests with regard to underlying evidence. No court tomorrow.
Nurmi and Willmott will begin their mitigating circumstances case Thursday.
These jury questions are BAD. They seem to be asking questions with regard to Jodi's guilt or innocence. That is not at issue. She has been found guilty. They need to be focused on whether the murder itself was cruel and horrific or whatever the Arizona legalese is that makes it death penalty worthy.
Oh, Arizona. You're like Florida's retarded cousin. Is it the heat?
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sweetiepie says
Jury questions indicate to me that they are asking if she cleaned up at Travis's house after she killed him and before she left in the car (I'm sure there were other bathrooms there.). All she had to do was throw the towels into the wash with the sheets. Goes to the cold bloodedness of the crime and the murderer.
​I don't understand. How would cleaning up there or elsewhere make a difference. Also, She did stick around and run a load of laundry…
On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 7:30 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
She stayed to clean herself up, wash up, delete photos and do laundry…maybe made a sandwich for all we know…the jury is just cementing the facts.
Maybe to the jury it shows the callous nature of the murder if she just hung out afterwards surrounded by blood cleaning herself up and having a coffee. This jury doesn't sound too bright so it wouldn't surprise me if they try to find her not guilty by mental defect (even though it's too late for that and this is just sentencing).
​Here in MERICA we ain't be supposed to kill folks who are crazy.
I've never understood that. You have to be crazy to kill people unless it's self defense or something. At least temporarily.
Got to love the temporary insanity defense. Kind of the basis along with self defence for the battered woman syndrome defence that keeps creeping up lately here in OZ.
​I can understand a man not getting that. But the insanity is real.
On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 11:04 PM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
I'm actually a supporter of Battered Person Syndrome as a defence (complete or merely a mitigating factor). Obviously with the lack of immediate real risk of harm, the criteria would have to be very specific to avoid abuse in court cases. With Jodi it's more like tarnishing her victim's reputation so that the jury won't feel guilty letting her off the death penalty.
Why is the sex tape in anyway relevant to a sentencing hearing? Nurmi clearly is hoping to paint the victim as a sexual deviant who could possibly fantasize about 12 yo girls. I am yet to understand the relevance from a legal perspective however. Isn't it like delving into the sexual history of a rape victim?
I think the point is (beyond painting him as a sexual deviant) that Jodi was controlled by Travis due to his position of authority (baptizing her, church leader) and then sexually controlling her like the ​cult leaders or crazy polygamist LDS factor does. Jodi tried to flee to California but he kept dragging her back in. In the end the only way to escape him was to kill him.
Which is ridiculous and thus far he has not been able to give that defense with a straight face. But he seems to have grown not just his hair, but a pair of cojones and to me it looks like that is where he is headed.
On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 12:38 AM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
I give him credit for going there. I didn't know about their religious history and the presumed position of power that Travis had over Jodi. A stupid juror really could believe that theory. I think the fact Jodi cleaned up and was composed after the murder goes against that theory but the jurors may not see it that way.
Jodi isn't mentally ill. A personality disorder is categorized as an Axis II condition , which contains those that are physical in nature (mental retardation – and yes, that's the term used in diagnosis – personality disorders, and autism, which was taken out of this category when they decided the marginal cases that were "cured" made it a curable condition). Personality disorders can't be treated. Only symptoms arising from that disorder (such as depression, etc.). It's assumed to be there due to the re-routing of neural pathways after trauma or frightening experiences when a small child, which could include walking in on your parents having sex. All it means is that you interpret information differently. Ever have a friend that just doesn't "get it"? This is what the great debate will be when NurMott cry cray cray. Juan will prove it's not a mental illness.
​You are a complete and total idiot, sweetiepie. Please don't spew your insane interpretations of mental health issues here. Thanks.
On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 4:27 AM, Tamara Tattles wrote:
Since I'm a retired therapist that worked with the mentally ill, substance abuse, criminals, and homeless for 30 years (including sociopaths), your comment is sad. Don't worry. You won't have to hear from me again. I don't deal with crazy anymore.
since the state rested the def team must be planning to really drag their feet since the judge is planning for the middle of december
This isn't like a regular trial where the state rests. This trial has several parts. Underlying facts or whatever, then the defense argues their mitigating circumstances which Jodi said in a prison interview that Nurmi told her there were none (expect to see Juan play that interview and others for the jury). Then the state argues aggravating circumstances of which there are many). This part of the trial was basically when you watch a serial drama and they start with PREVIOUSLY ON ….and catch you up in case you are new. Now the real show begins. Plus if we get four days Which start at 9:30, include and hour and a have lunch break plus at least thiry minutes of other breaks (aka 4.5 hours of court a day) and end at 4 and never meet on Fridays… ​
That is what is taking so long. They need Judge Perry on this case. He could know this out in two weeks with a sequestered jury.
I agree – those jury questions are awful. They seem to be trying to gage whether she is guilty or innocent. This whole process seems so bizarre. I predict another hung jury. I know it's a little too early for that, but yikes.
judymac says
Buwahahaha…"Florida's retarded cousin"…just love this (FL resident). So true.
"Just a simple girl with a dream" circa 2014(?)
JOAN RIVERS…In response to my tweet about "due process" and Jodie's press trial. Much appreciated her "Sharp as tack" wit. Brought me back from my "social injustice" binge.
frenchpoodlename says
Great reporting, Tamara, thank you. This sounds farcical. I admire Nurmi's reinvention – insofar as he's pro-active, keen, energetic, forceful. I doubt his strategy; his fieldmarshall overview. He's achieving sound and fury, but is he laying the groundwork for appeals with inchoate phillipics? It's slightly Irving Kanarek (for Manson et al) who also objected to a witness giving his name on the grounds that it was hearsay, "because he had only heard it from his mother". Kanarek also moved for mistrials whilst jailed for contempt, and so on. It's a bit like The Mouse's Tail in Alice in Wonderland.Why is everyone speaking in a high, piping, treble?
I'm wondering if in the jury's collective heads, if they think Jodi is innocent, then they'll give life in prison. If they think she's guilty, then that will be the death sentence.
That could be why they are asking questions possibly about guilt versus innocence. Someone needs to inform them that is the wrong way to approach the case. She has been found guilty. Now they should only be focusing on the criteria for sentencing. Not whether there is reasonable doubt she is mentally ill or innocent. Ignore this comment if the criteria for sentencing includes mental illness :).
In order to sentence to death in Arizona, this is the choice that would apply for Jodi
​"murder committed in an especially heinous, cruel, or depraved manner;"
This is what Juan will argue during the all important aggravated factors portion of the shit show.
deco says
I thought I had typed a reasonable reply to your question and had to delete it. There's nothing reasonable about her thought process.
Maybe she was just comfortable in her belief she wouldn't be caught by roomies and casually cleaned hereof up. Pre planned arrival and departure?
My head gets all twisted when I try to explain what I think she thinks.
My keyboard sucks and my comment sucks. Sorry. -5
Or maybe they are wondering how hard she tried to cover the crime? How confident was she that she wouldn't be caught?
​Um put the tokens back in your pocket.
Your posts don't suck. It's just hard to imagine what is worse driving down the road covered in the blood of the man you just fucked,photographed, shot, stabbed 29 times and all but decapitated or having a nice shower,changing clothes, doing some laundry, making a sandwich, watching Days of Our Lives and running the vaccum before heading of to grind on and make out with another.
puravidacostarica2 says
Either way, Jodi's a monster. But the image of the second scenario makes me nauseous. I guess we're just lucky she didn't post his head on a spike somewhere.
Wait a minute, didn't Jodi convert to become a Mormon? Wouldn't the same questions nose picker Nurmi asked Flores about all the sex they were consensually having apply to Jodi as well? Is a twat shot following the laws of chasity according to the Mormon Church? How about MURDER, is that following the laws of the Mormon faith? OK so maybe he wasn't the best Mormon, but does that mean he should be butchered? He's a young guy with a crazy chick willing to give it up. Can't really blame him. My male friends tell my crazy chicks are the best in bed. Do any Mormon Elders visit her in prison? I think not.
I know it is not the popular view, but for me, these are questions I didn't feel a resolution for at the trial. I also had other questions that never seemed to get answered. My problem with Martinez is that he kept trying to draw a picture of what he wants people to believe happened instead of presenting "this is what happened and this is the evidence".
You are a complete and total idiot, sweetiepie. Please don't spew your insane interpretations of mental health issues here. Thanks.
Please refer to Commenting Rules #7: NO "Goodbye Cruel World" posts announcing your exit. We get it. You're outta here. Bye.
Please refer to Human Being rule number 1. And buh bye to you, too.
vonalsburg says
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Arias WILL NOT be sent to death row…she deserves to be sentenced to the needle but she won't be.