Trump on Florida shooting: 'I'd run in there even without gun'
Feb. 27, 2018	06:27 am JST	 Mar. 14, 2018 | 12:00 am JST
By MANDEL NGAN
René Pihlak
we know how you "ran" when you were drafted to Vietnam...
"I really believe I'd run in there even if I didn't have a weapon," Trump told a group of state governors gathered at the White House.
Trump continued, "I mean, it was just some kid with a gun. It wasn't something terrifying, like a bird or having dirt on my hands or having to eat steak without ketchup."
Any attempt to imagine Trump "running" defies me. Maybe he'd have ridden a golf cart in there and given that young man a stern talking to about taking responsibility for your own actions.
Give Cadet Bonespurs a cape and his meds. He's gone full-on delusional.
The signs have been there for some time, like hallucinating thousands of Muslims dancing in the streets celebrating the attack on NY, and having the largest crowds in history at his inauguration.
LagunaToday 07:36 am JST
Ha! Trump doesn't talk about taking responsibility. He would have just called the kid a loser and casually worked in how his inauguration crowd was the largest in history.
calling the performance of some Broward County sheriff's deputies "frankly disgusting."
And Trump's attacks on law enforcement continue. Interesting that since Trump took over the GOP the Party's done a turnaround. Instead of supporting local law enforcement and agencies like the FBI, they demean and attack them. Instead of favoring fiscal restraint they call for unprecedented spending. They show zero regard for what they used to call 'family values'. And they seem to be content with 'foreign' powers meddling in elections, especially when it helps them.
"I really believe I'd run in there even if I didn't have a weapon,"
Says the germaphobe whose afraid of shaking hands lest he contracts something...
Tommy Jones
More brilliance from Trump.
Run? With those painful bone spurs? I doubt he'd even have the courage to hobble in.
All events, however tragic, are seen by our President in the context of how they can be used to boost his own ego.
Midnight Sun Tribe
What a profoundly disgusting excuse for a human being.
Simon Foston
He seems to "really believe" a lot of things.
presto345
He may get a chance at the next school shooting.
kawabegawa198
What a great President he is turning out to be. The next six years are going to be truly something to look forward to. Shame the Lefties will be burt-hurt though!
Tokyo-Engr
Assinine statement by Trump.
Again, it is all about him; typical of a megalomaniac.
There were four sheriff deputies that did not enter the school. Other law enforcement members are criticizing these deputies as well and stating they should have went into the school. After Columbine (where law enforcement set up a perimeter as kids died inside the school) officers were retrained and procedures were changed such that officers are to go into the school find and terminate the shooter as soon as possible. This man failed to do his job (or failed to follow procedure).
This is a very sad and tragic story and Trump making this type of statement is not becoming of a President (or a leader of any sort)
serendipitous1
Wish he had!
I think he means he would have run out of there screaming!
@tokyoE This man failed to do his job (or failed to follow procedure).
Not picking a fight, but do you know for certain what the procedures were in this jurisdiction for this particular school, what the job description was for the on-duty security officer as well as for the officers called in to back him up?
I expect paid security officers to do what they can to keep me safe, but do not expect them to be willing to risk their lives for me.
thepersoniamnow
Lol Donald now believing his own tales of grandeur...
Winning the presidency probably inflated his ego to immense proportions.
Donald has watched too many John Wayne movies.
Kobe White Bar Owner
bollox
Jimizo
"You never know until you're tested."
You dodged the draft to make sure you weren't tested under fire.
I think you get an 'F'.
How can someone with OCD own a gun?
Yeah amazing how this whole tragedy is being turned into "trump is attacking law enforcement again" by the media.
just another case of we like liberals support whoever or whatever Trump is against or whoever he is trying to hold accountable. Nothing has changed.
@PTownsend - I take no offense to your question as it is valid. I can say the following; Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel said in no uncertain terms he should have gone in and that is the procedure. Also it is a fact that the procedures and training were modified dramatically after Columbine. It is also a fact that other law enforcement officers said he (Peterson) should have went in as well.
I cannot say for a fact whether or not the specific manuals or procedures for Peterson said he should have gone in or not. I think we will find out in due course however as Peterson has a lawyer and is starting to talk to the media (his statement by the way, is that he thought shots were coming from outside so he maintained a tactical position outside rather than enter the school....this might imply procedure is to enter the building in this type of scenario.....I am sure we will eventually find out...).
If I were a parent of a deceased child I would have some pretty serious questions as to why Peterson waited outside. The fact that this guy did not go in also will give more credence to the stupid idea of arming teachers.
Peterson was a deputy, not a security guard, and in that position my opinion is he should be willing to risk his life to save kids. Trump is the President of the United States. He should know better than to make such an idiotic statement that I would expect to hear on a middle school playground.
Cricky
To be fair he is surrounded by armed Secret service agents, so he doesn't need a gun. Although some of them would have to carry him if he was to reach anything like a running speed.
America must be so proud of it's fantasist and pathological President.
You have a madman in charge.
Take everything literally that Trump says to try to mock him. He's 71 of course he can't actually run.
he is saying that most people, including him, would run into a school even without a gun and try to do SOMEthing to save kids. So armed professionals WITH guns and training and who get paid to do that, should be no question what they do.
You usual people who love to mock everything, wouldn't you do the same, try to save some kids any way you could?
BlacklabelToday 08:58 am JST
Are you by any chance just making generalisations about this story because you can't defend what Trump said, which is what this article is specifically about?
Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel said in no uncertain terms he should have gone in and that is the procedure. Also it is a fact that the procedures and training were modified dramatically after Columbine. It is also a fact that other law enforcement officers said he (Peterson) should have went in as well.
Agreed - he violated procedure. Two problems:
He had no idea of the firefight he might get into: How many shooters there were, what types of weapons they had, their location, the disposition of other building occupants;
This scenario should never have been allowed to occur in the first place.
As an engineer, I'm sure you're aware that illogical procedures - those that do not even approximate resulting in an even remotely satisfactory outcome - tend to be ignored, particularly under times of stress. I'd say give the "school resource officer" a break and place the blame where it belongs.
thats why there are highly trained swat teams with years of experience and don't just go dashing into buildings but make a judgment call on each situation.
The Florida shooter was in and out of the school building in just 7 minutes, what could have anyone done?
It was in fact Trump who attacked the cops and deputies and called the officer a coward. It wasn't the media making fake news.
Trump is not Superman.
Getting your gun disease under control will save lives. But you won't do that.
takeda.shingen.1991@gmail.com
he is saying that most people, including him, would run into a school even without a gun and try to do SOMEthing to save kids
I know what he is saying. What we're saying is that there's no way a draft dodger like Donny would have ran into the building. Trump has no backbone, he's all talk.
FLOTUS dumps down on POTUS on the Florida mass shooting
'I have been heartened to see children across this country using their voices to speak out and try to create change,' Melania Trump said at White House luncheon Monday. 'They're our future and they deserve a voice.'
This guy is so stupid! He's born with a silver spoon in his mouth, lawyer's have been protecting him his whole life. Like a previous poster said not being able to run kept him out of the Vietnam war 5 time. Yet he plays golf and drags his fat ass around the tennis court. I think everone knows which way he would run if he heard gun shots! He is a lier and a coward!
Kniknaknokkaer
And the world responded.....
"Go ahead!"
I wouldn't trust him to be a Resource Officer at my kid's high school.
And we'll never know the truth, but I seriously doubt he could run anywhere.
Based on what is public about him, I doubt he'd try to save his own children or wife from a shooter.
I did defend what he said, I said it wasnt meant to be taken literally (obviously). It was meant to reinforce that American values are that those who are armed protect those who are not, and that adults protect children. Neither of these happened and they should have.
I wasnt aware that liberals love the police this week and will do anything to make excuses for them to continue this narrative. Werent you kneeling for the flag and anthem a few weeks ago protesting police?
@blackL I said it wasnt meant to be taken literally
If that's so, when it takes one of his backers to interpret what Trump says it's a pretty sorry indictment of the US President's communication skills.
those who are armed protect those who are not,
unless they're robbing or intimidating them?
iberals love the police this week
I think only those who see the world from an extreme pole would say this.
Werent you kneeling for the flag and anthem
Some were. Most individuals, including those you call liberals (which I've come to see means those who question Trump), that I know don't have a single, blanket, never-changing attitude about the police. Or any other subject for that matter. But I know extremists want to keep issues simple and polarized.
@tokyoE he should be willing to risk his life to save kids.
Thanks for your measured response, but I respectfully disagree. It could well be the security officer was a father himself and valued his life as a father and being able to spend the rest of his life with his own kids more.
Werent you kneeling for the flag and anthem a few weeks ago protesting police?
"You"? - oh, you must mean Americans who demonstrate American values regardless of personal consequences. And those demonstrations against excessive police force are particularly apt here. How would you be responding now if that school resource officer had rushed blindly into the building and caused further student deaths?
@Laguna
We agree this man did not follow procedures. You are right; I am an engineer and when as part of my work I am involved in risk assessments on critical facilities. During such assessment, we take into account Human Factors (or Human Reliability Analysis). Your comment would fall under the Human Reliability Analysis aspect.
You say we should put the blame where it belongs. I believe you and I are in agreement. The primary blame goes to the laws that allowed this young deranged individual to get this firearm. That, I think you and I would agree, is the root cause. Also there is no reason for a member of the general public to have a weapon of this type.
Additionally , there were numerous warnings to law enforcement about this individual, which were not dealt with serious enough. The FBI was tipped off and did not do anything. The U.S. has a culture of violence, especially in the entertainment industry. This young man was supposedly on SSRI's which while not the root cause of the problem are a common link in many of these events.
No, I do not blame Peterson for what happened. I am only making a comment about his reaction to this event. I believe if he thinks he is right we will see a defamation lawsuit in the not so near future (after all this occurred in the litigious US). I still think he should have went in. What would I have done? I have no idea, but I am not in that position.
The parents of these children have every right to ask Mr. Peterson why he did not respond. Also for the sake of potential future events his actions should be investigated (in a transparent way - which wont happen) to see if there are better ways to respond to such events in the future.
@PTownsend - Your point is well taken (i.e. he may have been a father). Looking at it from the point you brought up (and as a father myself) it is impossible to deny that this may have been going through Peterson's head. On the other hand, one could argue there are many law enforcement officers who are also fathers who put their lives on the line daily to perform their duty.
In the end we could probably go on forever on this one (round and round and round). I guess we disagree on this but that is OK. The world (and this website) would certainly be a boring place if we all agreed on everything.
No, its simply liberals lack of comprehension skills or to understand something that is figurative in speech and is not literal. If you dont know that a 71 year old man cant just "run in there", I cant help you. You are simply pretending you dont know what the person means so that you can mock. In order to avoid dealing with the actual issue which is why didnt the armed person go in there and more importantly, what would YOU do if you were there?
If that's so, when it takes one of his backers to interpret what Trump says it's a pretty sorry indictment of the US President's communication skills
robert maes
Whatever else President Trump is, he is surely a coward. I don't hold it against him that he dodged Vietnam, that was a sensible decision but
1) he is even to scared to visit the DMZ zone in South Korea, using the " bad weather " as an excuse to cancel the planned trip. Strange, as hundreds of journalists had no problem making the trip. Even surrounded by his army and bodyguards he is too chicken.
2) He is to scared to visit even his troops in the conflict zones, again, with his army and bodyguards around him.
And finally, a brave man, or just a man, does not shoot his mouth of like that. Nobody can be sure of what he would do in such a situation until you are in it.
Im sure if the Sheriff in charge were Sheriff Joe Arpaio or Sheriff David Clarke, liberal opinions would be much different and forgiveness for not doing their job would be zero. This guy actually said its "not my responsibility" when asked about the conduct of his deputies.
Interesting, none of these libs would do a darn thing and none of the libs have a solution either in Washington or on JT. Easy to throw boulders and easy to rant on about draft dodging when we had a notoriously famous lib President that did the EXACT same thing. So the left has zero room to talk draft dodging or about solutions when they have none....except banning guns OR use the race card. Yawn, Cheerios time....
Haaa Nemui
Im sure if the Sheriff in charge were Sheriff Joe Arpaio or Sheriff David Clarke, liberal opinions would be much different and forgiveness for not doing their job would be zero.
For me it would depend on their position regarding gun rights and have zero to do with whether they are left or right leaning.
What's gun rights got to do with it? The people who have the guns allowed unarmed children and teachers to be killed as they waited outside.
I don't see how this can be defended in any way except excuses to cover negligent behavior.
@blackL what would YOU do if you were there?
I have no idea what I would have done in that particular situation. I don't think any honest person does either.
How have you reacted when faced with overwhelming firepower in the past, and what would you have done in this case? I think if you're honest you'll admit you don't know how you would have reacted.
With the possible exception of highly trained and experienced security personnel - Navy SEALs, SAS and the like - none of us is programmed to react like a lethal autonomous weapon system.
Im sure if
Are you speaking for those who disagree with you? Are you having a conversation with yourself and an imagined enemy?
If you're charged with protecting the public, and you support the right of the public to arm themselves to the teeth because "no worries we the police can take care of it" then it has everything to do with gun rights. It has zero to do with being left or right leaning.
1glenn
I wonder just how deluded he really is. Does anyone believe that he has the cajones to charge at someone armed with an assault rifle, unarmed? Many of our Presidents have seen military service, but the only thing this guy knows how to shoot, is shoot his mouth off.
@Bass and Blacklabel - I get the points you raise about media bias - it does exist.
But don't you think Trump's statement was at the very least least un Presidential? There are times when the man should keep his mouth (or Twitter) quiet.
Could you at least concede the remarks were in poor taste? Or is there a further context you see here that I am missing. My feelings are pretty strong as I think this type of remark calls into question his ability to be President, and I understand your opinion may be different....but I think one has to admit this does not sound like something that should come from a President of the United States.
@bas4 none of these libs would do a darn thing
Please show one example when a lib (whatever that means) said that.
easy to rant on about draft dodging
Trump called someone a coward. I don't recall Clinton ever saying that. That was the context.
except banning guns OR use the race card. Yawn, Cheerios time....
I've read a lot of people on this forum make suggestions on what they think could be done. Why the need to exaggerate and distort? And why the fixation on race?
gokai_wo_maneku
I'd like to see Trump run.
clamenza
No doubt had Trump had the opportunity he would have gone in - and then the crybabies would all whine that he picked on a poor Hispanic kid.
Not in poor taste or unPresidential. He is setting his expectation for all citizens about our values as Americans. He is simply not accepting the liberal tactic to not accept any responsibility for their action/inactions when it suits a political narrative. 'Who wants to go down the barrel of an AR-15?' said the CNN Hogg kid as a way to justify this somehow. His own classmates died and he doesnt even care that the only people who tried to save them were unarmed, while the armed people did nothing? POLITICS.
if people feel they wont be protected by the people trusted to carry guns in public, then everyone is going to want to arm themselves. Which is not what anyone wants. Do you really think people are going to agree to give up any of their guns right after a tragedy where the people with guns did nothing? Is this the type of conduct that we expected of our armed police, they think of their own self preservation first ahead of the lives of children?
Once again, if the people with guns had done their job, this would have been a PRO gun story, not an anti gun one. It is in poor taste of liberals to then use this story for their narrative and keep putting traumatized children on television and Twitter as political spokespeople.
rainyday
All the posts pointing out how idiotic it is for a draft dodger to be tough talking like this are valid, but I think you are missing out on an important point.
This is also coming from the guy who needed to ride a golf cart to keep up with Angela Merkel as she slowly strolled along at the G7 summit last year.
So in addition to being a coward, he also can't run.
Once again, if the people with guns had done their job, this would have been a PRO gun story, not an anti gun one
There is no way this would have been a pro gun story whether the people who had guns did their job or not. The main problem is one of the people who had a gun shouldn't have. End of.
Obama had an opinion on EVERYthing. especially when it was race or guns. I dont remember any liberals complaining when he interjected himself into things. Trump as the President has to have an opinion on what happened, if he didnt respond the media would say "he doesnt care!" or some other nonsense.
So his opinion is that Americans should expect better from their armed law enforcement when it comes to saving the lives of children. he has made it clear that he expects an actual response from armed police by saying that he and most others would have run in even with no gun. I guess liberals wouldnt? would just stand outside and cry and protest about gun rights while people die?
What else would you expect our President to say? Would you prefer he say he is fine with armed adults waiting outside while children died?
Then he'll run strait to his golf club.
President Puffery called the law officers cowards. The yellow bellied coward might as well have called them yellow bellied cowards.
You are simply pretending you dont know what the person means so that you can mock.
Oh, Trump is a mock rich environment. No need to be choosy.
So the left has zero room to talk draft dodging or about solutions when they have none....except banning guns OR use the race card.
This coming from so-called conservatives where draft dodging was prosecuted and shunned.
I have every right to call him a draft dodging coward: (1) he is in fact, and (2) me and mine have bled for the country.
You are conflating banning guns with any gun control.
In fact, the NRA and through their proxies at the GoP basically want a gun give away as a form of social defiance and to preserve their identity. Rationality be damned and pull out lies and rhetoric when rationality fails.
Donald Trump tries to make a profit from the suffering of others.
Trump and his wife Melania visited the Florida shooting survivor Madeleine Wilford, 17, in hospital. A photo appeared in the media.
Trump has now used the same photo in an email asking for cash donations for his re-election campaign already underway.
The email reads
'Trump is taking steps toward banning gun bump stocks and strengthening background checks for gun purchasers.'
'The President has made his intent very clear: 'making our schools and our children safer will be our top priority.'
True! But I'm sure all the anti-Trumpers here would have run in there without a gun!
What else would you expect our President to say?
Something even remotely plausible? Like:
"I really believe that if I had been there I'd have gotten into my golf cart, driven it up to the door of the school, then knocked on it with my stick to get it to open. Then, when it didn't open, I'd give it a nudge with the cart. Then, on discovering that it was a pull rather than push door, I'd have to call Eric and get him to come over and open it for me. Then he'd try pushing it. Then after a few tries he'd get what was what and realize it was a pull door and BAMMO, I'd be in! Then I'd ride down the hallways and be immediately swamped by the adulation of all the students. You know it would be a really great experience for all of them to just see me and be able to tell their grandkids about how amazing it was for them to see me. And I would tell them that. I'd be like "Hey, this must e a really great experience for you all to have me here in your hallway right now, be sure to tell your grandkids about this." I really like hallways. It would be such a beautiful hallway. Like you know the best hallway ever. Because I was there and it was the greatest, really just such a wonderful, amazing...the best hallway ever. Next question."
theeastisred
Trump was too scared even to visit the UK as planned, so he made up that ridiculous story about the new US Embassy in London as cover. This is not a brave person.
"I really believe I'd run in there even if I didn't have a weapon," Trump said.
The only running this draft-dodging coward has ever done has been to get as far away as he could get from a military recruiting station.
And General Bone Spurs has the unmitigated gall to want a military parade to honor his massive undeserved ego.
mock Trump all you want. People died and you arent providing any solutions, just making noise and distractions about nothing.
you arent providing any solutions
Hello, gun control?
Pretty simple really.
People died and you arent providing any solutions, just making noise and distractions about nothing.
Tell this to Trump.
Its right there. In his own email to his supporters. Which someone above is also complaining about. That is what he wants to do and that is his intent.
"Gun control"? can you do better than that? for example....do what? like, control guns or something? that could not be more vague if you tried.
mock Trump all you want. People died and you arent providing any solutions
We've provided THE solution. You just don't like it. And Trump's yahoo comments aren't going stop the next kids from getting killed.
Bit of a logical fallacy here. You seem to be suggesting they could have stopped the guy from killing kids at school before he killed anyone (that's the only way this ends up a pro gun story). The question is, how would they know they needed to stop a killer before he became a killer they needed to stop?
Blacklabel here's your solution have gun laws like the rest of the sane world. It's not computer games or violent movies that are killing so many people in THE USA it's GUNS!!!!!!!!
Obama had an opinion on EVERYthing
Sure, everyone is welcome to have an opinion on anything. But all opinions are not equal. Don't be surprised if you set yourself up as the leader of a nation, state a stupid opinion, and get shot down by everyone for having a ridiculous opinion.
The difference between Trump's opinions and Obama's, is that Obama for the most part had good opinions.
There is more than ONE solution for everything. The solution you like is currently against the Constitution and has NO chance of being implemented. NONE. ZERO. So I guess people just have to keep dying, cause you cant creatively think of anything else that might save even one life, one time?
The FBI had numerous opportunities. The local police went to his house what 45 times? Yep, but nothing could have been done. His own family pleaded to take his guns. He posted on a Youtube comment about his intention. Instagram pics of dead animals. What else do you NEED?
No doubt had Trump had the opportunity he would have gone in
What are you basing this belief in his bravery on?
Did you watch the footage of him brawling in a pro-wrestling pantomime and thought he was really fighting?
There is more than ONE solution for everything.
Sometimes there's not. 360 million people and you haven't come up with anything even resembling an alternative solution.
The solution you like is currently against the Constitution and has NO chance of being implemented. NONE.
As I said, you guys don't want to fix the problem. You could make another amendment, to amend that other amendment. The path is there, you people would rather have kids be afraid ad school than walk that path though.
oh and if only 10 kids had died instead of 17, thats still a PRO gun story. As lives were saved by a man with a gun that wouldnt have been otherwise. The only reason more people werent killed in this case was the killer got tired of being there and left with the other students. total failure in every single way by the armed adults who were responsible for this.
Anyway, enough for me on this. Keep waiting for the Constitution to magically change, I guess. Others like our President are looking into things we can do NOW.
Which someone above is also complaining about. That is what he wants to do and that is his intent.
No but I was surprised Trump used the hospital photo even without asking permission of the family.
Enough resources to be able to effectively deal with stuff like that, when overseeing 360 million people. That takes a LOT of resources. More taxes. More money going into social programs. Yes, that same 'social' as in 'socialism'!
What do you really think could have been done in the time period of just 7 minutes the shooter Cruz was in the school building before exiting and fleeing with other students to the tennis courts.
At 71 years it would have taken Trump more than 7 minutes to even run to the school building.
ClippetyClop
oh and if only 10 kids had died instead of 17, thats still a PRO gun story.
Your bar for success is so mind-blowingly low that you could only be a Trump supporter
Hello, Chicago?
Its not so simple, really.
I think I see the problems Trump fans have with the situation.
First of all, liberals liberals, lies liberals, libs lib lib. America hating lib libs liberals, and violent libs liberals libs. Clinton Clinton Clinton Obama, liberally libby lid-do. And let's not forget about ANTIFA. Liberals Russua witch hunt libs libby lee lo.
Liberals. And CNN.
Stricter background checks. "red flag" laws in all states. Ban bump stocks. Mental health screenings for teens. anti-bullying programs. raise the age for gun ownership to 20 for non military. ARMED GUARDS AT SCHOOLS, one way in and one way out of school property. Metal detectors. Police who actually want to do their job to neutralize people who show up and start shooting people.
So what have I not come up with again?
not computer games or violent movies that are killing so many people in THE USA it's GUNS!!!!!!!!
Hmm thats strange, my gun hasnt shot anyone. Maybe it is just an especially well behaved gun. Or maybe as the owner of that gun and in 100% control of its actions, I havent chosen to force it to shoot anyone.
You seem to be suggesting they could have stopped the guy from killing kids at school before he killed anyone..... The question is, how would they know they needed to stop a killer before he became a killer they needed to stop?
Oh dear, dear god....
Effective and extensive background checks before allowing anyone to purchase a gun with a 28 days waiting period with a license and test required for a gun owner and a register of all guns and owners and making it illegal to buy a gun from an unlicensed gun dealer or seller, like banning the sale of guns at gun shows or selling online. No guns for anyone under 21 years. Ban on all assault type weapons. Weapon free zones within every school area.
oh and if only 10 kids had died instead of 17, thats still a PRO gun story
The only measure is how many victims, not the number of survivors. Otherwise it's like this "10 kids died but some survived so yay guns are cool hyuk hyuk"
Marryman
I like the picture choice with the article. Looks like he's carrying a snub nose.
You walk into a restaurant, it's all open, but there is a sign on one wall that says 'no smoking' on this side of the restaurant.
You see people smoking their faces off in the smoking area.
Do you think the air in the non-smoking area is smoke-free?
Hmm thats strange, my gun hasnt shot anyone. Maybe it is just an especially well behaved gun. Or maybe as the owner of that gun and in 100% control of its actions, I havent chosen to force it to shoot anyone
Schools should never become like you are entering or leaving a prison. They are suppose to be free safe places where the students learn and develop.
one way in and one way out of school property.
That would be a disaster in a fire or earthquake
No, the problem I have is that liberals think using traumatized children to make political partisan points, to attack Republican politicians and then themselves constantly mocking the President solves anything.
Btw you guys missed the best one, so let me give it to you. "Trump is such an orange dotard that I believe he actually WOULD run into a school without an active shooter without a gun. orange dotard." how did I do?
Vernon Watts
President Trump was making a point: when children's lives are at stake you should/would do anything to protect them--unless of course, you are a SJW, then you would cower in some corner or safe space.
I was talking what else do you need to know that guy was a potential KILLER, as someone said no way to know until he actually killed people.
But yes, these are all potential solutions in addition to the ones I brought up. But I was told there was only ONE solution to this.....
This is great:
The reply?
No, the problem I have is that liberals think...
Starts with 'no', then goes on to prove 'yes'.
Guns and training for 800,000 national school teachers which Trump called the cheap option well he's right on that, underpaid teachers and turn them into unpaid armed deputies and when they start killing the wrong kids because a car backfired who will be paying for the wrongful deaths and compensation?
You people have been criticizing the police who didn't enter the building for days now. How would they have known he was a killer until he started killing?
when children's lives are at stake you should/would do anything to protect them--unless of course, you are a SJW, then you would cower in some corner or safe space.
Or unless you're the overwhelimingly large portion of humanity who would most definitely NOT run towards semi-automatic fire.
But hey, more John Wayne fantasies make us feel better, right?
I did defend what he said, I said it wasnt meant to be taken literally (obviously).
So your interpretations of what Trump says and how he means it to be taken are absolutely infallible, are they?
So some of your answers are "the NRA wont let you" so you give up? such a defeatist attitude, I thought you guys were the #resist people? But hey Delta wont give that 5% discount on a flight to NRA people anymore! victory!
but on the other hand you actually think you can change the Constitution? Have you actually researched how that works? its not happening.
And yes, our children are worth whatever amount of money it takes to ensure they are safe at school.
More training = more taxes.
A guy who has been there 10 years says he has had sexual harassment training, diversity training, escalation training and other SJW type things 3-4 times each. Active shooter training? ZERO times. So not more training, but training that actually serves a purpose for armed police.
But taking the mans tax returns without his knowledge or permission is ok? Why now the outrage?
Ok, then that means, we really don't need the FBI and all the more reason to doubt them and their efforts to keep us safe, so I'm really convinced we need our 2nd amendment more than ever. We can't rely on these people, not only do they repeatedly screw up, but they effectively can't deal with all this...stuff.
Rhetorical question. ROFL!
Yes, I keep forgetting liberals can't take a joke, but they rave about a President on TV playing the Sax.
So some of your answers are "the NRA wont let you" so you give up?
Nope. I've told you the solution. You're team is in power, if you think it's not true, then prove it.
But I don't think you realize the NRA owns the Republican party.
but on the other hand you actually think you can change the Constitution?
I told you the solution - ban guns. If you don't want to change the constitution, don't. It just shows you don't want to solve the problem.
Have you actually researched how that works?
Something about making an amendment, innit?
"Gun control"? can you do better than that? for example....do what? like, control guns or something?
Well done, you've got it. Almost any measures would be better than none, and some of your later suggestions would help. But the problem is that not the tiniest steps in the right direction ever get made, because of powerful lobby groups which expect to get and maintain the policies they paid for.
"But taking the mans tax returns without his knowledge or permission is ok? Why now the outrage?"
I believe that is an incorrect statement. Trump is president, the student a survivor of a mass shooting and a child who may or may not support Trump and his re-election?
The NRA owns the Republican party.
starpunk
"There is no bigger fan of the Second Amendment than me and no bigger fan of the NRA," Trump said. "These guys are great people. They're going to do something. And they're going to do it, I think, quickly. I think they want to see it. But we don't want to have sick people having the right to have a gun."
Yes, and Trump supports a loudmouth terror-monger who spread hysteria about killing 'jackboot thug' cops in the 90s. Ex-President George H W Bush quit his NRA membership in 1993 because of this violent rhetoric. The NRA has been hijacked by a shrieking extremist who needs to be in prison, just like the White House is occupied by a TRAITOR.
So you would've run into the school even without a gun, huh? Well you know plenty about running, even with your 'heel spurs' - you RAN from the draft 5 times, oh yeah! *Who's the real coward, TRAITOR?*** **
Yes as soon as the Democrats ban all entitlements and especially for PP then sure, I'll give up my AR-15s
I believe that is an incorrect statement.
No, it's not.
Trump is president, the student a survivor of a mass shooting and a child who may or may not support Trump and his re-election?
There will be plenty that do.
DT definitely is a born entertainer
But the problem is that not the tiniest steps in the right direction ever get made, because of powerful lobby groups which expect to get and maintain the policies they paid for.
No, its more because you feel joy in attacking the discount programs of the NRA, screaming "murderer" and "burn her" at their representative and blaming their group for deaths of kids. All the while already knowing your own armed officers stayed outside as these kids died. All the while knowing the FBI or local police had multiple opportunities to prevent this. How does placing the blame where it doesnt belong make NRA members want to work with you to make at least the changes that everyone agrees are necessary?
I dont blame them for simply replying "nope" to anything you want. There is no honest relationship or dialogue built there from either side.
Trump is a despicable, abusive bully and liar.
First of, Trump is a coward himself, he dodged the draft FIVE times! Heel spurs, yeah!
Since when would Donny Douschbag do anything to protect anyone, let alone children? - he would sacrifice children to the Devil if that would give him more profit. He would even sell his own daughter/girlfriend Ivana (the one he wants to marry) and even his own grandchildren if that led to him gaining more money and/or power or influence. He's abominable, disgusting!
And STOP calling him President Trump! He is not the President of my country in any way. He is a traitor who collaborates as Putin's puppet. During the weekend he was golfing and he held a disco party with his rich roach friends. Some 'hero' he's turned out to be! LOSER!
I'll give up my AR-15s
You previously said you use your guns for hunting? So what you go hurting with your two AR-15's?
Trump promised to release his tax forms during his campaign and when in office decided not to. Don't understand how you think that's the same as using an unauthorized photo of a child shooting victim in hospital for the purpose of personal gain?
https://www.scribd.com/doc/306393853/Mugger-s-Trumped-Donald-Trump-Stops-Attack
Trump actually stopped a mugging once. But ignore that, it was a long time ago and doesnt fit the narrative.
What's gun rights got to do with it?
Well, people that believe the right to own a firearm is sacrosanct are the same people that create the situation in which anyone in the US can purchase a firearm simply because it's their birthday.
The people who have the guns allowed unarmed children and teachers to be killed as they waited outside.
Following protocol when you believe the shooter is outside is hoe this can be defended.
At least Obama handled his responsibilities in a serious orderly manner. And he always was respectful to the public on TV and to other politicians, unlike this hyper-in-the-diaper orangutan who's beating his chest all the time and acts like a crybaby when he can't have his way on things. Donald Trump is a cretin of the highest degree and President Barack Obama is - well, President Barack Obama.
Trump actually stopped a mugging once. But ignore that, it was a long time ago and doesnt fit the narrative
Trump's done far more to prove the narrative is accurate.
Oh lets use the new excuse that came out YESTERDAY. Funny, no one believed the shooter was outside in the 2 weeks prior to this.
And your cite is?
Let's get back to the real solution. First, pray to the sky fairy of your choice for firearm violence to be reduced. Second, pray again to the sky fairy of your choice that the police react in the way you know you would if faced with the same situation
Wrap it all up in some ridiculous gathering of like minded sky fairy worshippers and you may just have a viable solution.
It's interesting how Trump can turn a tragedy into a farce, by making it all about himself. Think about it, 17 people dead and the NRA elephant in the room is left to do its thing. Instead the insanity of guns is met with... more guns. More tooled up people who could snap at any moment.
Won't some brave politician tackle the real malaise at the heart of that divided country?
Personally I think it's a great idea to send in Trump first next time a shooting or siege occurs. Most of the world would agree.
If you dont know that a 71 year old man cant just "run in there", I cant help you
You sure about that? Seems to be running pretty well here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1QL1MmyMhQ
And also here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ty6XAN_kzm4
Runs like a gazelle. So tough ;)
Donald Trump is the first president who has a concealed carry permit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=13&v=bW8R5gxuPtk
When Trump stops lying, I'll start believing the words that come out of his mouth.
Funny, the article says the mugger fled before Trump did anything. Trump got out of his car, looked around, and left. The article named this witness.
Another "unidentified" witness described a heroic Trump (confronting the attacker, then talking with the attacker and not leaving until a doctor showed up), which sounds like another Trump ego stroking BS story.
If Trump didn't lie so much, I would give him the benefit of the doubt.
Can't address the question, go with another "what about X argument?"
Life is so unfair for conservatives. The ultimate downtrodden class in America. They are having such a hard time imposing their views on others.
Maybe they need more guns or another tax break.
1: he's a public figure and people take public figures for granted, #2 who cares it is Trump, and #3 it was probably Trump who released it because the return provided no information (a real whistle blower would have sent something with dirt or released the whole return).
Ok, so what? He wasn't the only President that did that.
That's not the point. The Point is, they were taken "without" his consent or authorization. Both are wrong. Please, don't dig that hole deeper, this is not about, "I can do this, but YOU can't do this..."
At least Obama handled his responsibilities in a serious orderly manner.
Come again???
And he always was respectful to the public on TV and to other politicians, unlike this hyper-in-the-diaper orangutan who's beating his chest all the time and acts like a crybaby when he can't have his way on things. Donald Trump is a cretin of the highest degree and President Barack Obama is - well, President Barack Obama.
Yeah, a real Copperfield. Lol
Yes two wrongs don't make a right but at least we agree that Trump should have at least asked the permission of the child's parents before unauthorized use.
Guess we need to arm all librarians now and outlaw knives as the next step, but I'm sure you'd agree, right?
A facetious statment but let's go along with that. Knives are not glorified in your culture, nor can a person inflict rapid harm and/or murder on as many people as a shooter can. The guy in the Vegas hotel - would Paddock have been able to murder and maim as many people as he did from his window with a knife?
If the Democrats would shut their trap and come up with ideas instead of screaming ban guns, it'll never happen.
I'm happy for them to scream louder. If guns were banned in the US, it would be amazing. But unfortunately, the death cult of the NRA has unbelievable influence and that appeals to the inherent warlike nature of some of your fellow citizens. Hence, a ban is unlikely.
If the Democrats would shut their trap and come up with ideas instead of screaming ban guns, it'll never happen
Dems have been coming up with ideas such as banning assault weapons, raising the minimum age to purchase firearms, stronger background checks, minimum training, before being able to purchase a firearm, etc.
Now if the cons/repubs would stop screaming at the tops of their lungs about gun grabbers and join the reasonable conversation, we might be able to get somewhere.
Conservative identity is emotionally tied to guns. They lost the last big agenda item, abortion, and don't want to lose any ground here.
Conservative identity is also emotionally tied to having an unfailing president in the office.
Any loss of ground on either of those results in an emotional and irrational reaction, and a total disregard of facts and reality. So, rational thought is fighting against a group of people who cannot argue with facts and reality.
The only rational argument I have heard about keeping the gun age low is self-protection, e.g., a single 19 year old woman living alone and in need of a form of protection. Granted. That is a rational argument. All things being equal, I would almost want to give her a gun.
Do I want to extend that argument to an AR-15? No. I wouldn't have an AR-15 for self-defense. It is made for offense and would likely kill innocent neighbors while shooting at a robber/attacker. I would prefer a Glock or more likely a shotgun if in need of self-defense.
ZENJI
This is the answer to ALL the problems. Give that man a gun.
I'm happy for them to scream louder. If guns were banned in the US, it would be amazing.
as statistics bear out, it would be amazing for criminals to do as they wish.
You have to love how the trumpettes here blare away at any maligning of their annointed savior by claiming "liberal bias" or some such tripe. Any conservative worth their salt has nothing but contempt for Trump's utter disregard for the constitution and Trump's denegrating of everthing enshrined therein, whether it be the liberal thinking of the founding fathers that stood for concepts such as freedom of speech, the right to bare arms, the separation of cherch and state, the co-equal status of the branches of government, et hoc genus omne. He is a draft-dodging, CCP-teat-sucking megalomaniac that in no way represents any self-respecting, economically prudent conservatve that believes in the USA.
He is a draft-dodging, CCP-teat-sucking megalomaniac that in no way represents any self-respecting, economically prudent conservatve that believes in the USA.
You forgot reality challenged, failed businessman, con-artist, mob aligned, adulterer, and on an on.
Just goes to show how tolerant conservatives have become.
The knives argument is stupid put forward by disingenuous people. Ask those going into battle if they'd prefer a knife, a broken bottle, a rolling pin or an assault weapon on the battlefield, and ask them to explain why. Keep it as an "If you were..." question rather than a "When you were/are..." question as like Trump, most of them need to speak from imagination.
Lol Sleazy Donny bone-spurs having Chuck Norris fantasies.
Heh, it should go down with the base, cowering behind their locked doors with AR-15's terrified of Prius driving lasagna munching "libs" ....
mrtinjp
Going by his past intervention in a mugging, he might have thought about it, but given his age, unlikely. That Trudeau would have though gone in, but only if could first get into a firefighter's costume and the promise of a selfie
And I'm for banning bump stocks and most of what you said, but again, banning the AR-15 won't change a thing, even Democrats know it, they won't say it, but they know it.
They are the reasonable ones, CNN was the one that tried to script the kids into saying things emotional and it worked for them, they got enough clicks. You sit around with the left, every liberal network the left is screaming. No one on the right is screaming, I'm not and why should I. I have mine. But on a serious note....Columbine, what did they use to shoot up the place? Shot guns, so "if" and that's a real hypothetical IF the left could get their Weasley way and get the AR-15 banned, now some crazed killer uses a shot gun and kills about, let's say 12 people the left would say, "we need to ban all shot guns!" You know they would and I know they would, this is that slippery slope where they start banning certain firearms a little at a time and that we conservatives know the lefts ultimate goal and that ain't gonna happen. Either way, both sides don't trust each other on this, I want to see more mental health checks and more mental asylums open to care for these misguided people.
Private jets, helicopters, properties all over the world, casinos all over the world, golf courses everywhere, beautiful wife, successful TV show for 14 years, made it to the highest office in the world. Not bad for a failure. ROFL
I want to be a loser like that. Lol
That's a new one...Mob aligned? I thought Joseph Kennedy was dead??
Sadly, we have to deal with liberals in Washington, California and NY all the time, it's tough, but someone has to do it.
wtfjapan
Again, it is all about him; typical of a megalomaniac. if he was there he would have shielded himself behind the students, and when the gunman got to him he would have screamed, "please dont shoot me, Ive got bonespurs!!" this cretin hasn't done a heroic thing in his life.
The Pentagon announced today that the Military Parade that Trump has ordered will now be in honor of the brave acts that President Trump would have performed if he had ever been in any dangerous area!
Incorrect. It would immediately result in fewer ARs available, which means fewer deaths from ARs. It would also be a starting point for a reasonable conversation about the issues.
Private jets, helicopters, properties all over the world, casinos all over the world, golf courses everywhere, beautiful wife, successful TV show for 14 years, made it to the highest office in the world. bought off the backs of hard working Americans, shielded by bankruptcy, trophy wife he was cheating on while she was at home caring for his son, TV show that won no major awards, became POTUS through hate speech and without the popular support of the American people. Its all one big scam, and Trump has scammed you all. LOL
They are the reasonable ones, CNN was the one that tried to script the kids into saying things emotional and it worked for them, they got enough clicks. You sit around with the left, every liberal network the left is screaming. No one on the right is screaming, I'm not and why should I
Ummm . . . Ever hear of google and fact checking yourself?
a real hypothetical IF the left could get their Weasley way and get the AR-15 banned, now some crazed killer uses a shot gun and kills about, let's say 12 people the left would say, "we need to ban all shot guns!" You know they would and I know they would, this is that slippery slope where they start banning certain firearms a little at a time and that we conservatives know the lefts ultimate goal and that ain't gonna happen.
Weasley way? Shall we go back down that road again?
Slippery slopes are firmed up by words in the forms of laws that won't let the looney left get their Weasley way.
Less guns of any description will lead to less deaths from those otherwise available weapons. Australia banned the assault weapons and bought back 600,000 of them that's 600,000 less weapons on the streets and seems to have done the trick in prevent mass shootings on Australia soil. Good on ya, mate!
Sadly, we have to deal with liberals in Washington, California and NY all the time, it's tough, but someone has to do it. well you know somebody has to run the country on common sense and make money to support the welfare states, yes it is tough being a liberal.
Apart from the many sexual assaults, racism, narcissism, bankruptcy, pathological lies, selling out your country to the Russians and cosying up to the country that gave you the 9/11 pranksters.
He would have run away from that school, even if there wasn't a shooter. He's no friend to the young.
Just ask some of his victims.
All the same, Trump's already had his parade. The Unite the Right one, in Charlottesville last year.
That's a new one...Mob aligned?
Not new at all. He has a long history of relationships with the Russian mob.
Especially after he burned U.S. banks after declaring bankruptcy from his failed casino businesses and couldn't get financing.
Trump provided a way for the mob to launder their money. Trump conveniently suffered from memory loss when questioned by the authorities about knowing Felix Sater. Several photos of them together or the fact Slater's office was one floor below Trump's (a major tenant in his building) didn't jog his memory. Then there are investigations into mob money in Panama, Ireland, Scotland....
I can think of a number of other crooks who meet your definition of success.
Trump's largest success has been branding. He is weak on delivery.
nishikat
And I'm for banning bump stocks
That's Liberal and against the 2A
banning the AR-15 won't change a thing
Guess you've never studied ballistics. Study about how smaller-caliber, faster-moving bullets cause far greater damage than larger calibers. Also, think about the size of the clip and the fire repetition rate. If the perpetrator had entered the school with a handgun or few, several people would be alive now.
No, it wouldn't.
Do ARs grown on trees? Where will they come from if they begin to dry up in the ban?
rifle or if we see more hand gun homicides, then what? We ban them as well?
Then why ban bump stocks? The NRA says that's being gun grabbing.
akkk1
Donald Trump: superhero. LOL!
One side are the pro gun and the other the anti guns. One side wants a 100% more the other 100% less. American reality is somewhere between those two posts.
One point everyone should be able to agree on is that all guns are designed for the single purpose of killing.
True, and some guns are designed to kill a mass of people more effectively and efficiently.
Sometimes you see a person gesticulating on the telly and you think, That bloke looks like an idiot.
Then he opens his mouth, and you know for sure : Yup, he's an idiot.
so some guns are designed for sport like target shooting. Some guns are designed for hunting and working around a farm. Others are designed to kill as people as possible in the shortest time like an assault weapon firing off 40-100 bullets a minute?
Minimum damage when an animal is killed so it can eaten and maximum damage meaning not much left after the shooting.
Which one needs banning?
Ok, the far left media junkies say that, but where's the proof?
Doesnt look broke to me. But I understand, that's what the bankruptcy laws are there for, I would use them too.
Wow, just wow! ROFL
My life would be such a bore if liberals weren't constantly present.
Me to and two of them were former Presidents.
Got more money that you or I, not to mention a 767 Jeeez, no slouch gets that.
As a hunter, you can't kill deer and rabbits with a toothpick.
Carolee Thumma
The very first Executive Order Trump signed "secretly" at that was to allow mentally ill persons to purchase guns. So, no, he doesn't care if "crazy" people get guns. Plus after the Las Vegas shooting he promised he was going to get rid of bump stocks, he lied, he didn't do anything about them. This is just another lie that he is telling. He has already backtracked about background checks after (once again) 'secretly' meeting with the NRA on Sat at the WH.
And as for him "running in", does anyone remember what happened at the rally where someone yelled 'gun', he turned away and tried to get off the stage, he ran, just like he did from Vietnam in the 1960's, he had bone spurs in one of his feet, he can't remember which one, which would have been too painful for him, but he played tennis, golf and baseball. He's nothing but a huge coward. He will go down in history as being the worst president EVER but we are paying for it now.
@bass
You mention the "far left media junkies" and then go on to mention "liberals".
What do you mean by the former?
Do you mean avid readers of the Morning Star or An Phoblacht, Socialist Worker or possibly New Statesman? Because they are far from liberal, if that is what you're implying. Liberal newspapers would be The Guardian or The Independent, for example.
Why do you automatically dismiss sources that are not in thrall to the Republican right? Would you favor a UK publication like The Telegraph that is right wing but not necessarily Trump friendly?
Florida lawmakers shot down a bill that would have banned semi-automatic 'assault' weapons such as the AR-15 used in the Parkland school massacre. However, they did agree to raise the legal age for purchasing a firearm to 21 as well as approve legislation that would give teachers the right to carry guns in school.
You can't kill them with a rapid firing assault weapon if you are killing to eat them.
happy we agree again that all guns are designed for killing in various ways.
Anyway once we get all ya guns banned, we coming for ya toothpicks so better stock up on them now!
The 2nd Amendment clearly states "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
The problem with that statement is gun owners aren't a Militia, and they aren't there to protect and fight for a a Free State and because of the NRA they are not regulated, in fact the NRA made it illegal to "regulate" gun owners. So the NRA is in fact breaking the 2nd Amendment. And the 2nd Amendment does not state "every citizen has the right to bear arms". This is what the NRA has distorted in America because the NRA is bought and paid for by Gun Manufacturers. And even if they think they are going to "protect" themselves from a rogue government, yeah, less than 3% own guns, and how are you fighting the government with their jets, missiles and nukes with guns...it ain't happening you've already lost.
Plus I have this question, if you are so worried that going on a list of gun owners makes you "feel" guilty, what the hell do you plan to do with your gun to make you feel guilty? Because trust me, the government that has said jets, missiles and nukes doesn't give a sh*t about Joe Smoe and his gun.
And one more thing, if you need a gun that shoots bullets faster and stronger than you are one small minded human being to begin with, small penis syndrome...
More Guns Do Not Stop More Crimes, Evidence Shows
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/more-guns-do-not-stop-more-crimes-evidence-shows/
Look at how his kids suck up to him. Otherwise no inheritance for you. How pathetic. But Bill Gates has about 80x more money than Trump. And Bill Gates has respectable kids who are not sucking up to dad and looking like idiots. Did anyone see Trump's cheat sheet (I hear you)? Are there memory problems going on?
But if you want to ban bump stocks that's being Liberal:
Ban bump stocks.
(above) Two different Trump followers say this. Isn't that against 2A? Why say that if you are members of the NRA and believe in 2A? It's against NRA2A beliefs. Real NRA2A people want bump stocks.
And as for him "running in", does anyone remember what happened at the rally where someone yelled 'gun', he turned away and tried to get off the stage, he ran, just like he did from Vietnam in the 1960's
Well, he's the second President that dodged the draft, so what and him running off the stage, it's his life being assualted, don't know about you, but if I'm out in public and someone starts firing, my basic instinct would be to run and cover, now you involve kids and you are close by, the instinct would be to shield them.
More Guns Do Not Stop More Crimes, Evidence Shows.
Less guns would decrease crimes either.
https://www.npr.org/2017/10/05/555580598/fact-check-is-chicago-proof-that-gun-laws-don-t-work
Oy vey. What a putz.
bass4funkToday 07:13 pm JST
Less guns would decrease crime
Yes, yes they would.
As a hunter, you can't kill deer and rabbits with a toothpick
Murderous psychopaths can't mow down lots of innocent people with toothpicks either.
AR15s are much better suited to that job.
Come to think of it, what other jobs are AR15s suited to?
Ganbare Japan!
A business man who has built up an empire worth over $10 BILLION cannot possibly be an "idiot". More like Genius. Fact. Just because the extreme left (including US Media, EU Nations and UN) dislike the President, does not mean he is an idiot.
A business man who had 6 bankruptcies, ripped off students, small businesses and refused to rent to black people.
Yeah, real genius.
Hunting for one.
Hunting what? What's another use?
All the Trump haters here seem to be forgetting that he added "You never know until you're tested."
I'd love to see how many of the Trump haters would pass the test.
There would be no "test" if your guns are removed.
A business man who has built up an empire worth over $10 BILLION
It's hard to know how much he's actually worth and who he owes.
His tax returns might help shed light on this.
Ray Payne
For those making bad comments about Trump- ask yourself- what would have done.
With all his businesses intact, yes, I do agree.
Your country is sadly becoming a mental asylum.
As long as we have crazies like Maxine Waters, I think you might be right?
The NRA is a death cult which buys politicians.
No more than PP and a lot of the slimey and sleazy organizations that suck up to Dems.
Nobody minds. Kids are shot to bits. By guns. Cue flag waving and prostrating yourselves before said NRA.
I don't know why Europeans care so much what happens in our country, but be that as it may, not one single lib talked about the murders of Chicago, Baltimore, Detroit, Oakland, St. Louis, Compton, not one time, never a single outrage, but the moment, a White school is shot up, we have complete breakdown. The party that claims they are supposedly for equality could care less if Blacks are being slaughtered by guns. Neither Joe or Mika, Cooper and the other idiotic libs on TV that have zero solutions, but try their best to destroy the 2nd amendment. Hypocrites, all of them.
And still, nothing is done.
Take the guns away. All of them.
No, and if Europeans don't like our 2nd amendment that's just too bad. We will fight for it, always.
but the moment, a White school is shot up, we have complete breakdown.
? Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School is a mixed race school, students and staff, as are most of the Florida schools. Sad statement since the child victims were of mixed race and nationality.
Playing your "race card" thing once again. But you would know that, if you had bothered to read an article or two or even just look at a photo of the victims and other students who attend the school.
Maybe a little more compassion would have led you to the true facts:
As of 2015 and 2016, the total student enrollment was 3,158. The ethnic makeup of the school was 59% white, 12% black, 20% hispanic, 7% asian and 2% multiracial. 23% of the students were eligible for free or reduced lunch.
The number of white students is well below the numbers in the population.
So the CNN kid Hogg was on TV yet again. he passed right over the Democratic sheriff and all the Democratic lawmakers to say the Republican governor is actually responsible for the 4 deputies not entering the school. Cause he's in charge and stuff.
With a semi-automatic, you can do more than enough damage. Again, you manage to ban the AR-15 then what? Florida alone has over 24.5% registered gun owners, if there is a psycho in the mix, it won't change anything.
Once again we agree how deadly semi-automatic weapons are. Gun owners in Florida are not required to register. Florida gun laws are very liberal. Florida law does not require one to disclose one's possession of a firearm on contact with Law Enforcement.
Florida law permits private firearms transfers between residents without processing through a Federal Firearms Licensee (FFL).
I guess you are just stating 25% of Floridians own a gun which is probably a lot less than the national levels. Florida State is below median populations of gun owners and only slightly more than Californians at 21.3%.
Guess not too many Floridians want to shoot up pineapples with a AR-15 assault weapon. Probably more of them using toothpicks on that one? Agree yes!
This is after Hogg yesterday saying it's perfectly understandable these these deputies didn't want to confront the killer of his classmates.
I think it well time for all these kids to get off TV and Twitter and stop being used for partisan politics. Assuming they want to grieve and not be "stars" they need to be given time to do this.
This is after Hogg yesterday saying
Wow! Picking on a teenager.
That's Trump and his followers.
one single lib
One single Lib?
Let me remind everyone here:
Who is the Lib when Trump voters on their board want to ban bump stocks (again, check above two quotes). That's Liberal and something president Hillary never tried to do when she was in the WH. Reversing guns rights like wanting to ban bump stocks is Liberal and against the NRA and 2A.
Yep picking on a teenager who is being used for partisan political commentary by adults. whose points are making less and less sense as he gets further and further away from anything related to school safety.
Blacklabel - did you happen to see the big smiley selfie he had 2 other pawns took before the shameless CNN directed town hall?
Grief has many faces they say....
If this teenager wants to enter the public forum and start pontificating to Americans, he is fair game.
@zichi
Sorry, but I'm talking about predominantly Black neighborhoods, none of these liberal MSM are saying a word about it. Now all of a sudden a predominately White school gets shot up, panic time and emotional cries to ban guns.
I'm not presumptuous enough to think I could have any idea what I would do. Sure, my inner ninja wants to think I'd go Kung-fu his ass. But when faced with a guy with a semi auto who just killed a bunch of people, seeing their brains on the floor, some maybe not dead and crying out in pain, I'd can't pretend my fight response may be as strong as my flight response.
Anyone whose never been in armed combat who tries to pretend they know what they would do is a bit of a moron. You can't know how you're going to react until it's happening.
Yes indeed. Where are all these outraged liberals on gun laws when Chicago sees 700 homicides every year?
Crickets.....
Yep picking on a teenager who is being used for partisan political commentary by adults
His friends were killed. He was shot at. Nothing no one here has experienced. I bet that Trump voters think that Trump is a superhero and he could have taken out this shooter like he said (with no gun). Trump voters see Trump as being like some super SEAL TEAM SIX dude. That's cult-like. The guy doesn't even have real hair or natural teeth.
none of these liberal
Again, why say Liberal when you and other Trump followers want to ban bump stocks. That's against 2A and NRA.
And he's standing strong. Mentally strong unlike Trump who is losing it and has to have a reminder card that says I hear you. At least this kid is no 109 years old like Trump and has his whole life ahead of him.
further away from anything related to school safety.
School safety like what? Banning bump stocks is gun grabbing according to 2A and NRA. What should we do about school safety because raising the gun purchase age and banning bump stocks is against 2A. It's not being Trump.
Race only matters to them when there's an election, other than that, they could care less or want to even be bothered.
Race only matters to them
The guns in Chicago come from Pence's state of Indiana since Republicans have more loose gun laws then they are smuggled. Once universal checks are implemented it will reduce this. Republicans are proposing universal universal checks so that makes them gun grabbers in the eyes of the NRA and 2A. Remember these strict gun proposals are happening under Republican watch. There is no democrat in power now so your party is deceiving you (you can't say "Liberal" now because Hannity and Trump are in charge. President Hillary is gone, really, she is). Broken promise after broken promise. Just like Trump's joke of a wall (that you can go over with ladders). But mass shootings are different. Trump is talking about arming and training teachers? Who is going to pay for that? It's more government under Trump. Just like his wall (that won't be built anyway)
Once universal checks are implemented it will reduce this.
nishikat - And your empirical evidence is.........
(I'm sorry to report I won't be holding my breath waiting for an answer...)
And your empirical evidence is.........
If you want to believe that guns grow on trees then you may. Do they in Japan? No? Then they won't in the USA either. But again Republican lawmakers are doing this not Democrats. President Hillary is gone. It's Trump who wants to ban bump stocks and raise the gun purchase age. Also, two Trump followers on this board want to ban bump stocks (check quotes above). Your party are the Liberals now. Your party is going against 2A and NRA just like some Trump followers here. President Hillary never did any such thing. Remember just like there is no real Jesus, there is no gun tree. Both imaginary. I guarantee it.
Yeah, that's an argument Repubs bring up when faced with issues. "Race" involves several issues, but a large one is economic. Affordable housing, affordable insurance, a higher minimum wage, union access and greater access to education - gee, what do you think the Democratic Party fights for? Hint: All of these the Repubs oppose. Now, you could say it's a coincidence that the urban working class is solidly blue, or you could think tat there's a reason.
Laguna - funny how you say the Democrats fight for those things, yet they haven't fared as well as they have economically in the 1 year under Trump as they had in the 50 years before.
The Democrats have kept Black Americans in chains for their votes.
For generations.
We know, he would have taken on the guy like he took on all of Vietnam. People just misinterpreted his deferments and bone spurs as cowardice instead of what they were -- his desire to take on the country despite his disabilities, with his bare hands!
bass4funk: Tell us, would you willingly give up all your guns, for life, if it would bring back just one of these students?
If not, and I know you wouldn't because you've already mentioned you're scared to go out without guns, how about a charge to all gun owners of $100,000 for every single innocent death in a gun slaughter like this? I think it's fair; you want to own a gun and allow everyone else to, you guys should be made to be responsible for one another. Maybe being able to pay all your money might stop this kind of thing -- suddenly you guys would be concerned about who got guns, and finally take steps to control them. God knows you certainly don't care about human life at the moment so long as you can have a gun.
From Zichi's own link;
The early 2010s saw some of the lowest homicide totals in decades, but violence exploded in 2016. The city exceeded 760 killings in 2016. The number of homicides in 2017 was lower, but still historically high.
President Trump took office in January........2017.
No, its simply liberals lack of comprehension skills or to understand something that is figurative in speech and is not literal. If you dont know that a 71 year old man cant just "run in there",
Blacklabel - a 71 year old man is perfectly capably of running. My own father was running, swimming and playing tennis into his 80s. The over 80s top sprinters do 100m in a bit over 15 seconds.
But regardless whether he would literally run or not, he clearly meant that he would have got into the school as fast as his legs would carry him and done what he could to intervene to save lives. Although frankly, the last thing the kids would have wanted would be a fat 71 year-old blocking the escape.
OK, Trump is saving the blacks. You win. But mass shootings are up and under Trump 2A is being threatened. The NRA are turning against Trump with Trump's ideas of gun grabbing which goes against 2A. Trump wants to raise the age of gun purchase and ban bump stocks. That's Liberal. And under the Republican watch gun checks will get tighter.
Remember, Trump is an old fat man and he could not fight his way out of a paper bag even with a gun. I can't believe that Trump followers actually believe what this man says about rescuing teenagers in a school getting shot up. This is stupider than his wall that Mexico will never pay for. And his Muslim ban failure that has been knocked down over and over and over and over.
The left will never be able to accomplish banning anything, let alone the AR-15.
How about bump stocks?
So this orange orangutan (no offense to orangutans) who given multiple deferments from fighting for the country he claims that he wants to make great again, honestly expects any sane individual or even someone with a half a brain to believe he would engage an active shooter with an assault weapon, with his bare ( tiny little) hands? Come on, enough is enough this insanity needs to be put to an end!
actually thats false. There were more under Obama.
No, there are more. Proof is that Trump is trying to restrict guns more like the bump stock ban, raising the gun age purchase, and making checks universal. Also, this HS shooter was a Trump supporter.
Sticking up for the rights of black people who have been discriminated in housing based on the color of their skin is one thing we care about.
Yes, too bad the left doesn't care about the gun violence and all the social economical problems that are plaguing the Black community?
What's your position on that, especially as someone who is the "real friend" of the black community after decades of mistreatment at the hands of liberals?
Living and growing up in a community with Blacks that were all prosperous, I'd say, self-reliance and small government is the only way to go.
Kaishu
Let's take a look at Australia's gun laws and gun control after the Port Arthur shooting in 1996. 13-14 mass shooting in the 15 years prior, zero since. Proof that gun laws do work some might say.
Why in the hell do you need an AR-15 for hunting? Are you that bad a shot?
Not surprising. They hate teens because they are doing something positive to stop this slaughter.
They will stop at nothing to undermine the kids. From sniping at them on forums, to conspiracy theories, to death threats.
They are cowards and the teens are the brave ones.
Have gun supporters marginalized the students' message, while ultimately presenting themselves as the victim yet? I said it would take a few days.
Why do you have guns?
Why can you have guns?
because I do.
When I was a child and I was growing up there were no such thing as mass shootings and it didn't start until columbine
Not true. C'mon man. You're a journalist for crying out loud.
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/12/mass-shootings-mother-jones-full-data/
https://edition.cnn.com/2013/09/16/us/20-deadliest-mass-shootings-in-u-s-history-fast-facts/index.html
https://www.globalresearch.ca/mass-shootings-in-america-a-historical-review/5355990
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_shootings_in_the_United_States
The San Ysidro McDonald's massacre was a mass shooting that occurred in and around a McDonald's restaurant in the San Diego neighborhood of San Ysidro on July 18, 1984. 22 killed in this mass shooting.
toolonggone
Something not mentioned, or at least not that I've heard, is uniform, national gun laws. A place like Illinois has relatively strict laws while nearby Indiana has laxer ones making it easy to make the short drive from Chicago to Indiana to buy guns otherwise unavailable. The USA has done this sort of thing before and I think that (below) was passed under a Republican president, Democratic House and Republican Senate.
*In 1984, Congress passed the National Minimum Drinking Age Act, which required states to raise their ages for purchase and public possession to 21 by October 1986 or lose 10% of their federal highway funds.*
hachikoreloaded
'I'd run in there even without gun'
"rezident" Hump's day job is going so badly that he's taken up stand up comedy.
But, much like his fanboys, this 6'2" pile of "fake" humanity is, always has been and always will be the JOKE.
"What are the dem ideas?" asks B4F constantly. The ones they keep trying to bring up but don't get republican support:
Senate Democratic leader Charles Schumer said that by itself would not be adequate. He called for Congress to expand the background check system to cover all gun sales, including those conducted at gun shows and over the internet.
*That legislation has failed in Congress twice over the past five years, and it fell short again in the House on Tuesday as*Republicans rejected an effort by Democrats to bring it up for a vote.
https://japantoday.com/category/world/update-6-u.s.-republicans-in-congress-reject-new-gun-limits
Which means, they really aren't solutions that wouldn't work, so why waste time?
*Senate Democratic leader Charles Schumer said that by itself would not be adequate. He called for Congress to expand the background check system to cover all gun sales, including those conducted at gun shows and over the internet.*
That is one option that could get bipartisan support.
Again, Democrats talk a good talk, but they know even within their own party this would never pass the smell test.
Yes, I remember, but mass shootings weren't the normal constant tragedy we see repeating itself way too often. Very different and we have more crazy people, that's the real problem.
followed by this:
If you had read my entire quote, you would see this proposal was blocked by the repubs.
Is that why the Dems tried to bring it up for a vote?
Very different and we have more crazy people [with far too easy access to far too vicious firearms], that's the real problem
There, fixed it for you, tiger.
zichiFeb. 27 08:52 am JSTDonald has watched too many John Wayne movies.
Not quite. Donald Dumdum thinks he's a GOD. Big difference.
Mr Trump sounds like those communist or former communist countries advocating their passenger if there is a highjacking in a communist airliner! Yeah the communist countries told their people to fight the highjackers at all cost with bare hands,bare foot, man woman all threw themselves to the armed highjacker if a communist airliner was under seige! To save the face of the communist party, such counter revolution asylum seeker who were seeking deflection must be beaten at site otherwise all of them were no difference like collaborators!
I think Mr.Trump has took a note from communist country's doctrine to fight the senseless killings now frequently happens. Not a bad idea
Mar. 1, 2018	02:18 am JST
If Trump is a Communist then all Democrats are NRA supporters .
You absolutely missed the point.
Raw Beer
Mar. 1, 2018	01:30 pm JST
Perhaps Trump would have run in:
http://investmentwatchblog.com/people-are-laughing-at-trump-because-he-said-he-would-rush-in-turns-out-he-was-being-truthful/
u_s__reamer
Trump's fatuous Walter Mitty rhetoric about "running" into the building after the gunman have unleashed a tsunami of jokes since everybody knows that the only "running" he has done was for the "dump" on Pennsylvania Avenue. The only time you would see that cowardly lard *ss really run would be if he faced a deranged dude with an AR-15, and then he'd be off like the roadrunner - in the opposite direction!
Brian Wheway
"I really believe I'd run in there even if I didn't have a weapon," Trump told a group of state governors gathered at the White House.".......please do you will do us all a favour
Lil Pappy
Walter Mitty is correct! Unfortunately, this isn't some old man day dreaming in a worn out sofa.....he sitting in the head of states chair! And blaming the security guard! Come on, well trained police officers are equally as likely to die in an armed confrontation as the assailant! That is a true stat! They are better trained, but out gunned!!! What was the security guard carrying?? Maybe not an AR-15. I think I would take on Roger Federer, if say, you gave him a spatula! And if the stakes were high! Like the loser gets a bullet in the brain! Roger might not even what to play me! Would he be a coward???
Compulsive self-delusion is not an admirable quality in the President of the USA.
Actually, you don't know. He wasn't drafted. He had a deferment as did millions of other men of military induction age during those years. I've yet to hear one of them say he wished he had drafted and sent to Vietnam.
Now, to be on topic enough for JT's industrious cen... moderator, a question:
If Mr. Trump had run in unarmed, but did not escape unharmed and rather had bought the farm, would it count as an assassination?
Nope. Euthanasia.
It's funny that it's come to the point where Trump backers like Fox News correspondents are making statements like "Imagine if Obama said that ..." as responses to what Trump says. It's obviously a clear admission that Obama was held to a different standard than Trump is. Trump backers will use any excuse in the book to cover up what he has said. They claim it was 'taken too literally' or 'taken out of context', or 'fake news'. Imagine the backlash he would've faced if Obama openly boasted of sexually harassing women, or wanting to start a trade war, or to give law enforcement the power to confiscate American's weapons at anytime.