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What the fuck just happened in Libya? Conspiracies pleeze.
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by friendlyskies » Fri Sep 02, 2011 1:46 pm
I know the official CNN/FOX/BBC/Economist/Time/NYT/WSJ/Al-Jazeera/etc version: The glorious and proud Libyan people, after four long and murderous decades of horrifying, inhumane, dictatorial oppression by the insanely cruel, greedy, and evil dictator Gaddafi (sp?), saw the triumph of free, beautiful democracy in Egypt and Tunisia and spontaneously rose up to throw off the tyrant, and create a beautiful paradise where there was once only fear and pain. And rapes.
Fair and balanced news
you can trust, from objective
journalists.
I think this point of view is certainly a valid interpretation of events, speaking as someone who isn't in Tripoli right now. And it certainly gets plenty of press. But that should be discussed on the main BFC page.
This is the Tin Foil Hat Cafe, so I'm looking for evidence of the other version(s) of events. Specifically, I'd like links and information posted here, like a little library of Libya conspiracies. Certainly traditional conspiracy sources, such as Prison Planet and Russia Today, are more than welcome, but if you find more reputable links that suggest, say, the Libyan rebels are affiliated with al-Qaeda, that would be more interesting to me personally. I'd love info from within Libya, run through google translate if necessary.
Here's the basic conspiracy narrative that seems to be solidifying:
1. The New World Order/Illuminati/Council of Foreign Relations/IMF/etc have had designs on MENA oilfields for decades, and their secret plan kicked in on September 11, 2001, for one of several reasons ranging from "the WTC attacks gave us a crisis to take advantage of" to "the antichrist is returning because of the millennium thing" to "peak oil passed and that's when this shit was scheduled to kick in."
Oh please, Reagan? Hah. The plans I am referring to go back to the 1950s. But I still think this
photo is kind of fun. Who is that poor kid in the K-Mart suit lulz.
2. What we are watching is the implementation of plans made decades ago by really smart people, but things have not gone according to plan for a variety of reasons.
I did my best, but intelligence is only partially determined
by genetics, and even then not reliably inherited. As my
stupid dad would have known if he were really SO smart.
3. After being brutally humbled by resistance in Afghanistan and Iraq, Coalition leaders wisely decided to postpone the occupation of Iran and focus on a smaller, weaker, less well prepared oil-producing country, Libya. First, they lured Gaddafi into a false sense of security, allowing him to speak at the UN, giving him the Lockerbie Bomber for his birthday, and lifting sanctions. This didn't work as well as Gaddafi led them to believe.
"He's totally falling for it! Everyone trusts my smile!"
"This guy is a cunt. But I'll be gone soon, and it will benefit my people if I rebuild relations
with the globalists before that happens. He's still a fucking cunt though. Where is my
hand sanitizer? And my military? And my Sharia finance? Goldman Sachs can come in,
but they aren't privatizing my Central Bank or inflicting predatory credit on my people!
4. Arab Spring was a Kermit Roosevelt-type of operation, but planned much further in advance by the CIA + British, Saudi, Qatari, Israeli, and other intelligence agencies. To create the Arab Spring, they (a) coopted local resistance movements by placing agents provacateur within various organizations, funneling them money, getting them press, etc; (b) manipulated social media to inspire others unsatisfied with the regime; (3) concocted some impressive political theater that sent octogenarian Mubarak into retirement with US$70 billion as a severance package and Coalition-controlled military still in charge and (d) made sure that the international corporate media kept everything spinning properly, targeting western Muslims and sympathizers with special care.
Yeah, right. "BFFs forever," sure. But you put that fucking retirement package deal in writing, Barry,
and if the CIA murders me, I will make sure I get my revenge. Did you ever see The Mummy? Fucking
bugs will eat you, BUGS, you and all your descendants; only that Encino Man kid gets to live.
5. Gadafi figured out what was up well before the Arab Spring began - Fidel Castro had heard about the ruse, as had Hugo Chavez and various others in the loose confederation of anti-globalist states. Fidel said he was alerted by his sources within NATO, but I'm wondering if there wasn't a mole close to Sarkozy. At any rate, Gadafi knew what was coming, and led them to believe that he would step down just like Mubarak before him.
"Bitches don't know about my insider information," said the crazy fox.
6. The Libyan rebels, led (perhaps opaquely) by the Pentagon contacts within al-Qaeda and promised all sorts of stuff--well beyond the usual 72 virgin raisins their former employers had discussed - were pretty much fucked. But the bankers and oil corporations had too much on the line to let their pet Islamists be crushed, and called in NATO.
Allahu Admiral Akbar!
7. Journalists covering the rebellion were either under corporate control, sequestered away from the fighting, or killed if they threatened to tell the world the real story.
Aaaaaaaand...... here's where everything goes totally mushy. Are the rebels killing civilians in Tripoli? Yes, but who, and why? IAre they still affiliated with al-Qaeda? Maybe. Who is getting the oil contracts and why? What happens to the water? Was there a big shakeup at the top about this Libya mess? After all, two big Illuminati players - Domenique Strass-Kahn and Rupert Murdoch - also went down during the fighting - and Sarkozy's role is obviously enormous. And, while the corporate controlled press has proclaimed Gadafi dead and gone a hundred times since the fighting began on February 15 (lol Illuminati expected him gone by the end of the month), he's still there. What's going on? Conspiring minds want to know.
Just as an aside, I've always sort of put Gadafi in the same file as Tito - a dictator, oppressive sure, but not that bad considering the alternatives. Certainly I wouldn't have chosen to live in Gadafi's Libya if my other options were the USA or Canada, but I'd obviously prefer it to Saudi Arabia or Nigeria. And here's a perhaps ridiculous attempt at symmetry. Tito fought for a pyrrhic loss at the *beginning* of his career, one that may have save the entire world from the most cruel world order imaginable.
OK, I know I'll probably end up being the only one who bothers to post relevant articles and videos, and most of yall will just make snide comments without bothering to help, but PLEASE HELP!
"4 cylinder Camaro=communism" El Presidente
"You can smoke salmon but it's not quite the same as smoking heroin." nanuq
friendlyskies
Vata Loca
Re: What the fuck just happened in Libya? Conspiracies pleez
by nowonmai » Fri Sep 02, 2011 9:47 pm
Some catnip for you, probably already on your favourites.
http://www.infowars.com/libya-and-syria-the-neocon-plan-to-attack-seven-countries-in-five-years/
nowonmai
BFCus Regularus
by Sri Lanky » Sat Sep 03, 2011 12:09 am
"What the fuck just happened?"
A non-American led NATO mission was relatively successful justifying the existence of this military alliance and proving that Europe can do well without American leadership...something we should all get used to.
Sri Lanky
by lok8 » Sat Sep 03, 2011 2:20 am
Thought this was of interest-
http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/fe ... 28747.html
Until I read it again and half the interesting points are gone. The original article was about three times as long, mentioned Welch trying to find evidence that would allow Libya to sue US and NATO. too lazy to punch into the way back machine.
At the very least a good stretch of both Hatch and Logan.
My initial thought is that it is simply to build to destroy. The other thought is the yout's sudden exposure in recent years to our system of values. Must be a mouth watering proposition to manipulate such a naive (to our methods of manipulation) population.
peculiar that so many conspiracies are proven as fact about 72 flavor of the day cycles later with no repercussions.
Stay behind. don't follow.
lok8
Location: is relative.
by Naveen » Sat Sep 03, 2011 1:23 pm
Oh, you may like the latest articles from Pepe Escobar then: http://www.atimes.com/atimes/others/Escobar.html Like this or that
I don't like him very much and I find his writing style a bit... annoying, but I guess some of his articles could be classified as "almost conspiracy". He is not your standard conspiracy nutjob though, but he is always talking about predatory globalists, neocons, CIA-Alqaeda connections, Big Oil, praising the BRICs, etc.
Location: SN 1572
by Sri Lanky » Sat Sep 03, 2011 10:05 pm
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/wor ... le2152875/
by friendlyskies » Mon Sep 05, 2011 2:07 pm
I am neglecting my pet thread, sorry.... but this was relevant, despite the title of the article:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/09/ ... WC20110903
Tripoli commander denies al Qaeda links: report
CIA, MI6 helped Gaddafi on dissidents: rights group
Gaddafi vows fight as world backs new leaders
Thu, Sep 1 2011
Gaddafi sons broadcast confusion as battle looms
WRAPUP 5-Libyan leader sets ultimatum for Gaddafi forces
Gaddafi family members flee to Algeria without him
Local governments' tough choices between payrolls or bond payments?
Has the African Union got Libya wrong?
World »
PARIS | Sat Sep 3, 2011 4:35pm EDT
(Reuters) - A senior Islamist rebel in charge of controlling Tripoli since the fall of Muammar Gaddafi denied links to al Qaeda and said he had been tortured by U.S. intelligence officers in 2004, French daily Le Monde reported on Saturday.
Western officials have expressed concern that some part of the fighting groups that helped to overthrow Gaddafi were Islamist militants or affiliated to al Qaeda, and might seek to install hardline religious rule in his wake.
Abdel Hakim Belhadj, who helped lead an Islamist group that has fought in close cooperation with the main rebel National Transitional Council, said his group had no intention of seizing power and would let the Libyan people decide on a form of rule in the post-Gaddafi era.
In an interview with Le Monde daily, he also claimed that he was tortured by CIA operatives in Bangkok who suspected he was a member of al Qaeda.
Belhadj acknowledged having fought alongside al Qaeda jihadists in Afghanistan but said that his Libyan group never espoused the same ideology of al Qaeda chief Osama Bin Laden.
"The Islamic combat group was never a part of al Qaeda, neither from an ideological point of view, nor from an operational point of view," Belhadj, whose age is reported as 45, told Le Monde.
"It happened that we were in the same place and at the same time as al Qaeda: that was in Afghanistan, where we sometimes fought side by side, when the goal was to liberate the country. But we were never under its authority," he said.
Belhadj added that he had been arrested in March, 2004, in Malaysia, and later transferred to Bangkok where he claimed to have been interrogated and tortured for several days by CIA agents in a secret prison.
Human Rights Watch says it has uncovered hundreds of letters in the abandoned offices of Gaddafi's intelligence chief indicating that U.S. and British spy agencies helped the fallen strongman persecute Libyan dissidents.
Belhadj, whom the newspaper described as charismatic and soft-spoken, said the rebel uprising in Libya was broad-based and drew its authority from the Libyan people.
"The revolution ... is the work of no particular political current, no ideology. It is the revolution of the Libyan people as a whole," he said.
"I assure that the fighters have no particular agenda. Do not doubt us. There is nothing to fear, we are not al Qaeda, I have never been in it, I can say that with complete tranquility and, what's more, not from a prison cell."
by flipflop » Tue Sep 06, 2011 1:11 pm
The Arab Spring will turn into bleak Winter, without passing through Summer
Patriots always talk of dying for their country, and never of killing for their country - Bertrand Russell
Cuntus Maximus
Location: Arse Full Of Chips
by nowonmai » Tue Sep 06, 2011 8:47 pm
flipflop wrote: The Arab Spring will turn into bleak Winter, without passing through Summer
I don't know what just happened but by the look of this guy I can have a fair guess at what's about to happen.
by Sri Lanky » Tue Sep 06, 2011 9:01 pm
The throwing of the shoes?
by Woodsman » Tue Sep 06, 2011 10:00 pm
Mine is simple:
One of the Rothschilds just won a buck off another:
Life is short. Eat, Drink & Be Merry!
Location: Enchanted forests
by nowonmai » Tue Sep 06, 2011 11:08 pm
Sri Lanky wrote: The throwing of the shoes?
Charisma, conviction, combat proven leadership and a survivor of incarceration in a Gaddafi prison as Prisoner # Public Enemy Number 1. What do you think?
by The Tourist » Wed Sep 07, 2011 4:43 am
I think it's simple economics. Making bullets is profitable and creates jobs. Obama needs 'jobs' to keep his. America is getting tired of the same old wars we have, so we create a new one. It piques people's interest, they get mad or get involved, either way we make more bullets for the army or the lunatics.
No matter what happens in Libya, we just buy oil from the winner, no matter what ideology.
Ergo, Americans make bullets, we get full employment, we buy cheap oil and only the foreigners die. Cruel to be sure, but what the hey, those people are dying anyway. Might as well cash in.
You are the weakest link – Goodbye
by flipflop » Wed Sep 07, 2011 9:27 am
nowonmai wrote:
Big fart no chief
by lok8 » Wed Sep 07, 2011 3:06 pm
is profitable and creates jobs.
Right on the first, wrong on the last.
As it stands the arms industry is on cruise control. There are more PhD jobs on the blue sky end of things and a few oversight gigs, automation has pretty much made for steady divergence tween productivity and employment figures.
Should even an all encompassing global conflict come about, the days of us cranking out bombers round the clock are far gone.
And even then it is very likely that any ramping up would be absorbed by prison or modern day slave labor.
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