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wallster Posts: 17,593
05/03/14 - 15:10 in Politics #1
In today's Ukip meltdown news, a councillor has said business owners should have the right to turn away people based on their gender, sexuality or race.
Donna Edmunds, district councillor in Lewes and an MEP candidate for the south-east told an online forum that ultimately 'it's their business'.
'I believe that all business owners, Christian, Muslim, gay, straight, should be allowed to withhold their services from whomever that choose whenever they choose,' she said after being asked her views on Oxfordshire councillor David Silvester, who was expelled from the party for blaming the floods on the legalisation of gay marriage.
http://metro.co.uk/2014/03/05/ukip-councillor-let-business-owners-turn-away-gay-people-women-anyone-they-dont-like-in-fact-4425319/
Surely UKIP have to expel her for such views?
gocompletelynut Posts: 2,314
Mr Cameron would be pleased with you for doing your bit.
guypd Posts: 2,643
LOL, the thread title is a outright lie.
Desperate times, Wally?
gocompletelynut wrote: »
Do you agree with her views?
guypd wrote: »
It's the headline in the Metro; I didn't write it.
This is the headline in the Mail:
Businesses should be allowed to turn away women, gay and black people, claims Ukip councillor and MEP candidate
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2573784/Businesses-allowed-turn-away-women-gay-black-people-claims-Ukip-councillor-MEP-candidate.html#ixzz2v6N0Kv64
Do you condemn this view?
Nick_Challis Posts: 560
a new day, some new slander from the left
I cant find anything to worry about a councillor who thinks that people can serve whoever they want.
She hasnt singled anyone out, so why should you?
Nick_Challis wrote: »
'I believe that all business owners, Christian, Muslim, gay, straight, should be allowed to withhold their services from whomever that choose whenever they choose,' she said...
She said it. Where's the slander?
tnt Posts: 3,609
Well club owners turn away people they don't like the look of. But money is green no matter who's got it so its their financial loss.
Is this a common view in UKIP?
wallster wrote: »
For clarity, these are the views in question:
I believe that all business owners...should be allowed to withhold their services from whomever that choose whenever they choose
This is as opposed to the outright lie that Wally put in his thread title, attributing these words to this individual, which were never spoken:
Let business owners turn away gay people, women
Complete fabrication, Wally. Your propaganda would less ineffective if you allowed the facts a gasp of air.
Looking at the story this is the one thing she didn't say.
Loving the desperation to find something of significance, keep up the work something it bound to turn up.
Fizzbin Posts: 34,084
Appears that you don't even know what slander is!
She said: 'I believe that all business owners, Christian, Muslim, gay, straight, should be allowed to withhold their services from whomever they choose whenever they choose.
'It's their business. Why should they be forced to serve or sell to anyone?'
She later told reporters: 'Business owners should be free to turn people away for whatever reason they choose - be they gay, black, or a woman.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2573784/Businesses-allowed-turn-away-women-gay-black-people-claims-Ukip-councillor-MEP-candidate.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490
Are you denying she said that? These are the actual quotes...
F*** Me
This is definitely a new low in anti UKip propaganda.
What...publishing the words uttered by a UKIP Councillor....?
I can see you are uncomfortable about what she said.
In other news UKip councillor puts headless babies on spikes outside her ward to deter immigrants
So do you think businesses should be able to refuse their services to anyone they choose?
Middleotroad Guest Posts: 1,283
tnt wrote: »
One of my relatives visited Scotland and got turned away from a place because he's English. We know because another business owner nearby confirmed that this fella can't stand English people and he probably got turned away because of that.
He was entitled not to serve anyone he doesn't want to without giving a reason, but it would be quite different and not legal to put a sign up on the door saying "No English". So this UKIP lady is essentially suggesting either that it should be legal to turn away any group of people you don't like; or she's encouraging business owners to discreetly discriminate against people. Which is all a bit mad, isn't it?
I don't, she did, no problem with that, people have diverse views you know.
She certainly didnt single anyone out like the tory party hope she did.
Some more detail. Again, my apologies for letting any facts get in the way of the smear, Wally:
It's their business. Why should they be forced to serve or sell to anyone?
I would not condone their actions, and would not shop in such a place. In fact, many people would probably choose not to shop there.
However, I am a libertarian and do not think the government should legislate against such things.
It's a valid opinion, which in part I agree with.
On a sidenote, there was predictable "outrage" from predictable quarters:
James Ledward, editor of GScene Gay Magazine, described her views as 'horrendous'.
He said: 'I'm flabbergasted.'
I wonder what he thought of the holocaust? Or North Korea? Or Ukraine, for that matter? It doesn't leave much room for manouevre when a line such as...
...results in being "flabbergasted" at such "horrendousness".
Is the redoutable Mr. Ledward "flabbergasted" if he gets full fat milk rather than skimmed in his coffee?
Does he consider it "horrendous" if the train is three minuts late?
Can you say "stage-managed and politicised overreaction"?
At least now you accept she said these things. I'm afraid I don't agree with businesses being allowed to discriminate against groups of people on grounds of sexuality, sexual orientation or anything else.
I find the UKIP mindset quite disturbing.
flagpole Posts: 44,641
'I believe that all business owners, Christian, Muslim, gay, straight, should be allowed to withhold their services from whomever they choose whenever they choose,' she said
is just not the same as the thread title.
it seems like people are trying to deliberately twist what she's said.
Kiko H Fan Posts: 6,546
It's in the Evening Standard too.
Ukip councillor Donna Edmunds says she regrets claiming businesses should be able to ban gay people.
UKip's poll rating went down by 10 points today after the shock that a councillor who says buisnesses should be allowed to serve whoever they want, was recieved badly by the UKip voters.
9 of those points went straight back to the conservatives and they now look certain to beat Miliband in 2015.
Is that what you are hoping the papers say tomorrow Wallster?