Is the US concerned about nerve gas attacks in Great Britain?
Forums: Politics, Chemical Weapons, Mass Murder, Nerve Gas
Walter Hinteler
Reply	Fri 23 Mar, 2018 12:51 am
@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:
Of course the paper(The Guardian) that calls Muslims Asians has never printed anything misleading.
We generally call Asians here in Europe Asians. [Asia has 25% Muslims, btw.] The religious affiliation isn't mentioned a lot, if at all.
coldjoint
@Walter Hinteler,
The religious affiliation isn't mentioned a lot, if at all.
Gee Wally, I wonder why? What you just said proves a lot of what I have said. Thanks Wally.
Gee Wally, I wonder why?
Well, we've human rights here in Europe, you know, even an European Court of Human Rights.
And religion definitely is one of those rights. As is the right of privacy.
Well, we've human rights here in Europe,
Not for long.
glitterbag
My favorite thing about you is your willingness to make tortured statements bordering on nonsense and still (snicker) assume it will be received as if you were a..., let's say a George Will or William F. Buckley.
izzythepush
Reply	Tue 10 Apr, 2018 01:12 am
Breaking news.
Yulia Skripal, the poisoned daughter of Russian ex-spy Sergei, has been discharged from hospital, the BBC understands.
The 33-year-old was discharged from Salisbury District Hospital on Monday and taken to a secure location.
Her 66-year-old father remains in hospital but his condition is "improving rapidly".
The pair were taken to hospital on 4 March after being exposed to the toxic nerve agent Novichok.
This breaking news story is being updated and more details will be published shortly. Please refresh the page for the fullest version.
Blickers
@izzythepush,
That's wonderful news.
They had an interview on American TV with one of the Russians who invented the nerve agent, and he said that in his opinion the stuff is not survivable, if it gets you enough to put you into the hospital under critical condition then it's gotten you enough to kill you for sure.
He went onto say that he was sure Skripal and daughter were just being kept technically alive for whatever reason, that both will die once the life support is removed.
Now the daughter is able to leave the hospital, and the old man has commenced his recovery, just like his daughter did earlier. An inspiring story.
@Blickers,
The Russians keep posting this narrative about it not being survivable, but medical experts over here disagree. The nerve agent works by attacking the breathing and heartbeat, if those effects can be countered the body can start to heal itself once the agent leaves the body.
Make no mistake, this is not a full recovery by any means. All those affected by this nerve agent will be living with the consequences for the rest of their lives. They will need ongoing medical treatment and will probably die early deaths.
cicerone imposter
Reply	Tue 10 Apr, 2018 01:59 pm
@glitterbag,
Swell stated, and as you can see, several of us agree.
Reply	Thu 12 Apr, 2018 01:17 am
Yulia Skripal, the poisoned daughter of Russian ex-spy Sergei, has rejected Russian embassy help "at the moment".
The 33-year-old, who was discharged from hospital on Monday, said her father is "still seriously ill".
In a statement issued through police, she said she was not yet strong enough to give a full media interview but "no-one speaks for me, or for my father".
The Russian embassy said it doubted the statement "really belongs to Yulia" and said it raised new questions.
Ms Skripal and her 66-year-old father, who were found slumped on a park bench in Salisbury on 4 March, were exposed to the toxic nerve agent Novichok.
Mr Skripal remains at Salisbury District Hospital.
In her statement, Ms Skripal said she found herself in "a totally different life than the ordinary one I left just over a month ago".
Ms Skripal, who has been taken to a secure location, added: "I have specially-trained officers available to me, who are helping to take care of me and to explain the investigative processes that are being undertaken.
"I have access to friends and family, and I have been made aware of my specific contacts at the Russian embassy who have kindly offered me their assistance in any way they can.
"At the moment I do not wish to avail myself of their services, but, if I change my mind I know how to contact them."
The Russian embassy said the statement "only strengthens suspicions that we are dealing with a forcible isolation of the Russian citizen" and called on UK authorities to "urgently provide tangible evidence" that Ms Skripal was not deprived of her freedom.
"With no possibility to verify it, the publication by the Metropolitan Police raises new questions rather than gives answers," it said.
"As before, we would like to make sure that the statement really belongs to Yulia. So far, we doubt it much.
"The text has been composed in a special way so as to support official statements made by British authorities and at the same time to exclude every possibility of Yulia's contacts with the outer world - consuls, journalists, and even relatives."
The UK government says Russia was behind the poisoning, which has led to a diplomatic crisis between Moscow and the West.
The Russian government has denied any involvement and accused the British of inventing a "fake story".
More than 20 countries are expelling Russian envoys in solidarity with the UK.
Tests on the nerve agent used on the Skripals have been conducted by the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW).
A report from the OPCW has been received by the Cabinet Office and an executive summary will be published on Thursday.
While Yulia and Sergei were both being treated in hospital, her cousin Viktoria Skripal, who lives in Russia, gave interviews to Russian news agencies and international outlets.
Following Ms Skripal's discharge from Salisbury District Hospital on Monday, her cousin told Russian news agency Interfax that Ms Skripal planned to ask for political asylum - although she did not know in which country.
But in her most recent statement, Ms Skripal clarified that Viktoria's "opinions and assertions are not mine and they are not my father's".
She said: "I am not yet strong enough to give a full interview to the media, as I one day hope to do. Until that time, I want to stress that no-one speaks for me, or for my father, but ourselves.
"I thank my cousin Viktoria for her concern for us, but ask that she does not visit me or try to contact me for the time being."
The international chemical weapons watchdog has confirmed the UK's analysis of the type of nerve agent used in the Russian ex-spy poisoning.
The Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons did not name the nerve agent as Novichok, but said it agreed with the UK's findings on its identity.
Russia has denied it was behind the attack on Sergei and Yulia Skripal in Salisbury, as Theresa May has claimed.
Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson said: "There can be no doubt what was used."
He added: "There remains no alternative explanation about who was responsible - only Russia has the means, motive and record."
A team from the OPCW visited the UK on 19 March, 16 days after the Skripals were found slumped on a park bench in Salisbury and taken to hospital, along with a police officer who was among the first on the scene.
Ms Skripal was discharged from hospital on Monday but the 33-year-old has said her father is "still seriously ill".
The OPCW said it received information about the medical conditions of the Skripals and Det Sgt Nick Bailey, it collected their blood samples, and it gathered samples from the site in Salisbury.
Reply	Thu 12 Apr, 2018 10:22 pm
Quote Yulia Skripal by the BBC:
Looks like the Kremlin is pressuring her cousin to say things supporting the Kremlin's attempt to get at the two.
By the way, is Salisbury Hospital some kind of special hospital connected to a medical school or research facility, or is it just your run-of-the-mill community hospital? In America, a special case like that would normally be transferred to a hospital connected with a medical school and research center.
It's a district hospital.
The hospital houses one of the 11 specialist spinal injury treatment centres based in the UK; as well as having dedicated wards for Orthopaedics, Spinal Injuries, Burns, Intensive Care, Coronary Care, Cardiology, Stroke, Palliative Care, Plastic Surgery, Surgery, Oncology, Haematology, Respiratory Medicine, Paediatrics, Intensive Care, Oral and Maxillofacial Surgery, Ear/Nose and Throat, Medical Assessment, Elderly Medical Assessment, Acute Medicine and Rehabilitation. (Additionally a couple of specialist outpatient services, including Dermatology, Ophthalmology, Oral Surgery, Plastic Surgery, Vascular Surgery and the longest running Skin Laser Clinic in the country.)
Hospital website
Reply	Fri 13 Apr, 2018 01:24 am
There's not much to add to what Walter has said, but Southampton General is the biggest hospital in the area. People are normally transferred here for specialist treatment. I think the danger of contamination is what kept them in Salisbury.
Just adding that "community hospitals" (formerly known as "cottage hospitals") in the medical care in the UK means small premises, normally led by "family doctors" (GPs), in liaison with consultants, nursing and allied health professionals as and if necessary.
Russia had tested whether door handles could be used to deliver nerve agents and had targeted the email accounts of Sergei and Yulia Skripal since at least 2013, according to previously classified intelligence over the Salisbury attack that has been made public.
The UK released the intelligence linking Russia to the attack on the former double agent and his daughter on Friday..
The Guardian: Russia tested nerve agent on door handles before Skripal attack, UK dossier claims
In a letter to Nato, the National Security Adviser Sir Mark Sedwill revealed that they were the subject of "interest" from the Kremlin's security services since 2013.
He said email accounts belonging to Ms Skripal had been targeted by cyber specialists with Russia's GRU intelligence agency, where her father was a colonel while passing secrets to Britain as a double agent.
Sir Mark said that even after being convicted of espionage and handed over in a high-profile spy swap, Mr Skripal may still have been seen as a target.
"It is highly likely that the Russian intelligence services view at least some of its defectors as legitimate targets for assassination," he added.
The Independent: Russia spied on the Sergei Skirpal and his daughter for at least five years, says UK
Reply	Sat 14 Apr, 2018 03:16 pm
Salisbury Hospital looks approximately the size of what we call normal community hospitals in the US. Salisbury might be a tiny bit larger, but not much.
The "community hospitals" you speak of in the UK appear to be similar to "clinics" in the US-they do the relatively small stuff, plus regular treatments like blood draws and they are staffed by GPs, (now called Primary Care Physicians here), and nurses.. The community hospitals have the specialists there as well as on call.
georgeob1
This, posted a month ago, has turned out to be inaccurate in all its elements.
The irony here is that Russia agreed to be the guarantor of the agreement the hapless Obama Kerry team negotiated a couple of years ago following Assad's first use of gas weapons.. Do you recall Obama's "Red Line" ... the one we watched Assad cross with no reaction whatever from him ? Odd that you didn't comment about that. Do you believe that Teresa has bigger "9%[email protected]+ " than Obama?
@georgeob1,
At the time that post was written, sanctions against Russia were sitting on Trump's desk for weeks and several of his key White House appointments not only had very suspicious financial connections to Russia, they were meeting Russian officials in secret and lying about it to the FBI and Senate who were checking them out.
Here's the quote you are referring to:
We goddamn better be, [concerned with the poisoning in the UK],sanctions are still sitting on Trumps desk against Russia but he is afraid to sign it. Theresa May has bigger (9%[email protected]+) than Trump. It's time to support our partners
So, what did glitterbag say that wrong at the time?
I think he might have wanted to remind people what Obama did and who he trusted.
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